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Date: Nov 17, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
After Sun-N-Fun, I read some things about proper methods of tying down that made some real sense. Later, I also wrote some things too, to pass along the word. One disturbing thing I see at OSH and other places when I see RV's tied down, is that many builders simply strap their stick back with the seatbelt to secure the stick, locking the ailerons and elevators. Here's a video that shows exactly why that's a dumb idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wjtP90d_g If the above link doesn't work, go to youtube and search for "Accidental VTOL Takeoff" posted by "MessedUpShet". On my site, I show my rudder gust lock, with a strap that holds the stick in the neutral position (both axis) when I use the seat belt to pull the stick back. That should help prevent such a thing to some degree. Another thing that can cause you problems is having the flaps left down. If you have problems keeping people from stepping on your flaps, then great, put them down when boarding and disembarking the plane. But, once you're ready to leave the plane, put them up, because in a wind storm, the flaps will work as designed... They'll create extra drag, to allow the wind to push your plane harder against it's tiedowns, and by trapping the air under the wing it can add more lift. Just some common sense things to pass along regarding tying down...but the video was a real eye opener for me. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2011
Subject: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Agreed. I always thought that was a dumb idea. I used to get in the sim and set the wind speed dead on the nose at a steady couple of knots above stalling speed. Back on the stick and you're up. Back further on the stick and you're up and going backwards. Then forward on the stick and you're decending and picking up enough speed to creep forward to your original takeoff point. Fun exercise in the sim. I don't think it would be nearly as much fun with the turbulence and unpredictable winds in real life. Phil On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > After Sun-N-Fun, I read some things about proper methods of > tying down that made some real sense. Later, I also wrote > some things too, to pass along the word. > > One disturbing thing I see at OSH and other places when I > see RV's tied down, is that many builders simply strap their > stick back with the seatbelt to secure the stick, locking > the ailerons and elevators. > > Here's a video that shows exactly why that's a dumb idea. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=O-wjtP90d_g> > > If the above link doesn't work, go to youtube and search for > "Accidental VTOL Takeoff" posted by "MessedUpShet". > > On my site, I show my rudder gust lock, with a strap > that holds the stick in the neutral position (both > axis) when I use the seat belt to pull the stick back. > That should help prevent such a thing to some degree. > > Another thing that can cause you problems is having the > flaps left down. If you have problems keeping people > from stepping on your flaps, then great, put them down > when boarding and disembarking the plane. But, once > you're ready to leave the plane, put them up, because > in a wind storm, the flaps will work as designed... > They'll create extra drag, to allow the wind to push > your plane harder against it's tiedowns, and by trapping > the air under the wing it can add more lift. > > Just some common sense things to pass along regarding > tying down...but the video was a real eye opener for me. > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Nov 17, 2011
Tim, Do you have a quick link to your page. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358340#358340 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: Nov 17, 2011
There are better resources out there than me but here is my gust lock. http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/control_locks/index.html And here is a tiedown write up that had the tiedown tips at the bottom. http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/tiedowns/index.html Tim On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:17 PM, "orchidman" wrote: > > Tim, > Do you have a quick link to your page. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358340#358340 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Subject: Control stick straps
Date: Nov 18, 2011
I have the Aviation Tech Products control gust lock and it's great for the rudder. The small strap they provide to secure the stick, though, is just not strong enough. I have a heavy-duty elastic velcro strap that I wrap ar ound it several times and that does the job holding the elevator and ailero ns at neutral. Actually, what I'm using is a "Blousing Boot Band" from my BDUs . . . Like these: http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productID=7786&TabID=548 http://www.kellac.com/h/Velcro-Blousing-Straps.html Works well. I could never bring myself to use the seatbelt to secure the stick ' too many flashbacks to flying the Warrior . . . Tim N52KS ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Everyone wants Map subscriptions...
It's been amazing to watch the last few years as subscription based pricing takes over the world as vendors rush to find a way to keep their hands in your pockets. It's not just in aviation. I've used Navigon (US and Canada) for turn-by-turn direction maps on my iphone and ipad for a while now. When I bought it, it was not a super cheap app, but the policy was lifetime map updates. Well, guess who buys them....Garmin. Now, suddenly, if you allow your iphone/ipad to be upgraded to the new 2.0 release of the app, your stuck in a $15/quarter map subscription program....so the app that maybe cost $60 forever, is now $60/year. That doesn't sound like Garmin, does it? Something tells me that with the advent of such pricing schemes, and the loss of government flight data for free, is going to bring a lot of drivers and pilots to just simply not care about flying or driving with updated maps and charts. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2011
Subject: Re: Control stick straps
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
I don't know, but seems to me that it would be preferable to have elevators in full nose down pitch position, rather than neutral. If a headwind comes up, that wants to raise the tail, but it is small in relation to whole aircraft, and pushes the nose down, decreasing angle of attack. If tail wind, it keeps the wind out from under the surfaces. In either case, tending to avoid having the wings want to fly. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy < tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero> wrote: > I have the Aviation Tech Products control gust lock and it's great for th e > rudder. The small strap they provide to secure the stick, though, is jus t > not strong enough. I have a heavy-duty elastic velcro strap that I wrap > around it several times and that does the job holding the elevator and > ailerons at neutral. > > Actually, what I'm using is a "Blousing Boot Band" from my BDUs . . . Lik e > these: > http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productID=7786&TabID=548 > http://www.kellac.com/h/Velcro-Blousing-Straps.html > Works well. > > I could never bring myself to use the seatbelt to secure the stick ' to o > many flashbacks to flying the Warrior . . . > > Tim > N52KS > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Everyone wants Map subscriptions...
Date: Nov 18, 2011
In conjunction with Oshkosh this year I thought I'd fly to the portion of the 48 states I had not been to as well as see some of the ones I had. My RV-10 has a Garmin 496 for navigation and weather. As I was getting ready to order the sectionals I would need my wife surprised me with an ipad. I added the Bad Elf GPS to it and subscribed to Foreflight VFR and Flight Guides e version. At Oshkosh I upgraded the 496 database and headed out. The ipad was great and didn't take too long to be comfortable with switching from charts to airport diagrams as necessary. I already had mobile hotspot which was very handy as wifi wasn't always available to check weather on the ground. After that trip this is my conclusion as to what's necessary for VFR flight: GPS: Very Necessary, for navigation either the Garmin or the ipad was OK but ipad was easier to keep current and upgrades were cheaper. The 496 fed the autopilot however. The ipad moving map was very nice, names of towns, lakes, etc. Charts: the electronic charts are invaluable, always current and available. Weather: In flight Garmin 496 weather was OK but the ipad was better especially for planning. Airport Info: Not happy with the FAA A/FD on Foreflight, much prefer Flight Guides offering. In short, I am sold on the ipad although I haven't figured out where to put it, for now it lays in the seat or is held by someone else. It's a hands-on device so it needs to be near. I like the Foreflight app but several friends use WingX and are sold on it. For VFR I don't see that one has much advantage over the other. Flight Guide is adding moving map and weather I understand and I like the ipad app far, far better than their new larger paper diagrams. I think we could easily overload ourselves with gadgets even if they are neat as hell but VFR flying was done for years with little more than a compass and highway map. For me, minimum equipment is ipad with GPS and an app with charts, airport info and weather. As a bonus I loaded the Pilots Operating Handbook on the ipad. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: The Value of a Forum...
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From: "preid" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Brake Master Cylinder
Date: Nov 19, 2011
Anyone have a problem with the master cylinder leaking from the top? Is there an "O" ring you can buy at Spruce, or better yet, McMasterCarr? Or do you have to rebuild the whole thing? Thanks Pascal 9 hours and counting.... yeah... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "preid" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: test
Date: Nov 19, 2011
Appears my previous e-mail did not post. Testing ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Brake Master Cylinder
Date: Nov 19, 2011
Matco has the rebuild kits _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of preid Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 6:47 PM Subject: RV10-List: Brake Master Cylinder Anyone have a problem with the master cylinder leaking from the top? Is there an "O" ring you can buy at Spruce, or better yet, McMasterCarr? Or do you have to rebuild the whole thing? Thanks Pascal 9 hours and counting.... yeah... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2011
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
Phil, I remember the flight instructor I did most of my primary training wi th (some 34 years ago) was able to hover a C-150.- In a very strong stead y wind, he would use just the right amount of throttle, and-could keep th e aircraft off the ground about 2-3 feet.--Can't say I have ever tried it myself, nor do I think I could.- I can't imagine what an insurance com pany today would have to say about-a stunt like that. Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Phillip Perry wrote: From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Why you don't just strap the stick back... Received: Friday, November 18, 2011, 12:36 AM Agreed.- I always thought that was a dumb idea. I used to get in the sim and set the wind speed dead on the nose at a stead y couple of knots above stalling speed.-- Back on the stick and you're up. Back further on the stick and you're up and going backwards. Then forward on the stick and you're decending and picking up enough speed to creep forward to your original takeoff point. Fun exercise in the sim.- I don't think it would be nearly as much fun wi th the turbulence and unpredictable winds in real life. Phil On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote: After Sun-N-Fun, I read some things about proper methods of tying down that made some real sense. -Later, I also wrote some things too, to pass along the word. One disturbing thing I see at OSH and other places when I see RV's tied down, is that many builders simply strap their stick back with the seatbelt to secure the stick, locking the ailerons and elevators. Here's a video that shows exactly why that's a dumb idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wjtP90d_g If the above link doesn't work, go to youtube and search for "Accidental VTOL Takeoff" posted by "MessedUpShet". On my site, I show my rudder gust lock, with a strap that holds the stick in the neutral position (both axis) when I use the seat belt to pull the stick back. That should help prevent such a thing to some degree. Another thing that can cause you problems is having the flaps left down. -If you have problems keeping people from stepping on your flaps, then great, put them down when boarding and disembarking the plane. -But, once you're ready to leave the plane, put them up, because in a wind storm, the flaps will work as designed... They'll create extra drag, to allow the wind to push your plane harder against it's tiedowns, and by trapping the air under the wing it can add more lift. Just some common sense things to pass along regarding tying down...but the video was a real eye opener for me. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD om" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
Take another look at that video. Any large wind would just roll the plane back, not make it fly. I think this video is in the same class as the 'missing wing' video .... both are model airplanes. Doesn't look like an N# on the fuselage side either. Linn On 11/19/2011 11:26 PM, Rick Lark wrote: > Phil, I remember the flight instructor I did most of my primary > training with (some 34 years ago) was able to hover a C-150. In a > very strong steady wind, he would use just the right amount of > throttle, and could keep the aircraft off the ground about 2-3 > feet. Can't say I have ever tried it myself, nor do I think I could. > I can't imagine what an insurance company today would have to say > about a stunt like that. > Rick > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > > --- On *Fri, 11/18/11, Phillip Perry //* wrote: > > > From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Why you don't just strap the stick back... > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Received: Friday, November 18, 2011, 12:36 AM > > Agreed. I always thought that was a dumb idea. > > I used to get in the sim and set the wind speed dead on the nose > at a steady couple of knots above stalling speed. > > Back on the stick and you're up. > Back further on the stick and you're up and going backwards. > Then forward on the stick and you're decending and picking up > enough speed to creep forward to your original takeoff point. > > Fun exercise in the sim. I don't think it would be nearly as much > fun with the turbulence and unpredictable winds in real life. > > Phil > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Tim Olson <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tim@myrv10.com>> wrote: > > <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tim@myrv10.com>> > > After Sun-N-Fun, I read some things about proper methods of > tying down that made some real sense. Later, I also wrote > some things too, to pass along the word. > > One disturbing thing I see at OSH and other places when I > see RV's tied down, is that many builders simply strap their > stick back with the seatbelt to secure the stick, locking > the ailerons and elevators. > > Here's a video that shows exactly why that's a dumb idea. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wjtP90d_g > > If the above link doesn't work, go to youtube and search for > "Accidental VTOL Takeoff" posted by "MessedUpShet". > > On my site, I show my rudder gust lock, with a strap > that holds the stick in the neutral position (both > axis) when I use the seat belt to pull the stick back. > That should help prevent such a thing to some degree. > > Another thing that can cause you problems is having the > flaps left down. If you have problems keeping people > from stepping on your flaps, then great, put them down > when boarding and disembarking the plane. But, once > you're ready to leave the plane, put them up, because > in a wind storm, the flaps will work as designed... > They'll create extra drag, to allow the wind to push > your plane harder against it's tiedowns, and by trapping > the air under the wing it can add more lift. > > Just some common sense things to pass along regarding > tying down...but the video was a real eye opener for me. > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > > ========== > om" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com > ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > le, List Admin. > =================================== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > =================================== > http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > > * > > ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: Nov 19, 2011
It's from Russia. I originally found it from Flying Magazine. Regarding the "stunt" with the instructor....I don't really think it's a hug e risky endeavor. After all, your ground speed is minimal, so really other t han gusts it shouldn't be a big danger. I've landed in 30+kt steady winds a nd it is fine if it's not too much of a crosswind or gusty...just feels slow . Now that said, I think the dangerous part would be the taxi back to the hang ar....so I don't think I'll ever hover the RV10....I'd rather not fly in win ds with 50+ kts on the ground. If I could take off and land in 20kts and ho ver at some other airport at 20ft @ 50kts, sure, I'd love to give that a go. It's just a river of moving air, and airplanes only know airspeed.....same as flying with 70kt tailwinds doesn't make the airplane different. I've ha d some great trip times with high tailwinds. (and flew the rv10 like a cess na with 50+ kt headwinds. Tim On Nov 19, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Linn Walters wrote : > Take another look at that video. Any large wind would just roll the plane back, not make it fly. I think this video is in the same class as the 'mis sing wing' video .... both are model airplanes. Doesn't look like an N# on t he fuselage side either. > Linn > > On 11/19/2011 11:26 PM, Rick Lark wrote: >> >> Phil, I remember the flight instructor I did most of my primary training w ith (some 34 years ago) was able to hover a C-150. In a very strong steady w ind, he would use just the right amount of throttle, and cou ld keep the aircraft off the ground about 2-3 feet. Can't say I have ever t ried it myself, nor do I think I could. I can't imagine what an insurance c ompany today would have to say about a stunt like that. >> Rick >> #40956 >> Southampton, Ont >> >> --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Phillip Perry wrote: >> >> From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Why you don't just strap the stick back... >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Received: Friday, November 18, 2011, 12:36 AM >> >> Agreed. I always thought that was a dumb idea. >> >> I used to get in the sim and set the wind speed dead on the nose at a ste ady couple of knots above stalling speed. >> >> Back on the stick and you're up. >> Back further on the stick and you're up and going backwards. >> Then forward on the stick and you're decending and picking up enough spee d to creep forward to your original takeoff point. >> >> Fun exercise in the sim. I don't think it would be nearly as much fun wi th the turbulence and unpredictable winds in real life. >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> After Sun-N-Fun, I read some things about proper methods of >> tying down that made some real sense. Later, I also wrote >> some things too, to pass along the word. >> >> One disturbing thing I see at OSH and other places when I >> see RV's tied down, is that many builders simply strap their >> stick back with the seatbelt to secure the stick, locking >> the ailerons and elevators. >> >> Here's a video that shows exactly why that's a dumb idea. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wjtP90d_g >> >> If the above link doesn't work, go to youtube and search for >> "Accidental VTOL Takeoff" posted by "MessedUpShet". >> >> On my site, I show my rudder gust lock, with a strap >> that holds the stick in the neutral position (both >> axis) when I use the seat belt to pull the stick back. >> That should help prevent such a thing to some degree. >> >> Another thing that can cause you problems is having the >> flaps left down. If you have problems keeping people >> from stepping on your flaps, then great, put them down >> when boarding and disembarking the plane. But, once >> you're ready to leave the plane, put them up, because >> in a wind storm, the flaps will work as designed... >> They'll create extra drag, to allow the wind to push >> your plane harder against it's tiedowns, and by trapping >> the air under the wing it can add more lift. >> >> Just some common sense things to pass along regarding >> tying down...but the video was a real eye opener for me. >> -- >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >> >> >> ========== >> om" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> le, List Admin. >> ========================= >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========================= >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========================= >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com >> /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com >> ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com >> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com >> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 21, 2011
It does not matter what position your flaps and elevator are in if your plane is not securely tied to Earth like that one appears. I will strap my flight controls to prevent damage to them, not to keep the plane from flying on its own. I understand that control position will affect the pull on the ropes/anchors. If I am aware of 30+ kt winds forecasted, I hope I can hangar it or fly it out in time. If not then I will try to have full fuel, max baggage in front floor area and flaps up. Check wx often when our babies are parked outside. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Final assembly, aw cert, transition training with David Maib. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358622#358622 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed -- List of Contributors Published Dec
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Subject: Re: Baggage area width @ door?
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Nov 21, 2011
Don't forget that "corner" that gets in the way.... -------- #40572 Phase One complete and flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358753#358753 ________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Nov 22, 2011
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Date: Nov 22, 2011
Subject: Sealing the Oil Cooler
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Last night I installed the oil cooler onto the airbox and noticed it's a very leaky setup. Attached is a photo of the *inside* of the airbox and you'll notice some big gaps on the corners and even a gap down the sides. Has anyone sealed these? I'm thinking of putting a fillet of red rtv along the edges and a blob in the corners to keep the air moving through the cooler and not around it. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Sealing the Oil Cooler
On 11/22/2011 5:08 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > Last night I installed the oil cooler onto the airbox and noticed it's > a very leaky setup. Attached is a photo of the *inside* of the airbox > and you'll notice some big gaps on the corners and even a gap down the > sides. > > Has anyone sealed these? I'm thinking of putting a fillet of red rtv > along the edges and a blob in the corners to keep the air moving > through the cooler and not around it. That's what I did. Linn > > Phil > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Sealing the Oil Cooler
Date: Nov 22, 2011
Phil I sealed mine but used a silver RTV high temp which does not show as much as the red Geoff _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Sealing the Oil Cooler Last night I installed the oil cooler onto the airbox and noticed it's a very leaky setup. Attached is a photo of the *inside* of the airbox and you'll notice some big gaps on the corners and even a gap down the sides. Has anyone sealed these? I'm thinking of putting a fillet of red rtv along the edges and a blob in the corners to keep the air moving through the cooler and not around it. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Byron&Donya" <bgill1(at)charter.net>
Subject: Sealing the Oil Cooler
Date: Nov 22, 2011
That's what I did. Lot more of the red high temp RTV on the baffles and sealing around the engine as well. Byron N253RV still in phase one but loving it more each day. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Sealing the Oil Cooler Last night I installed the oil cooler onto the airbox and noticed it's a very leaky setup. Attached is a photo of the *inside* of the airbox and you'll notice some big gaps on the corners and even a gap down the sides. Has anyone sealed these? I'm thinking of putting a fillet of red rtv along the edges and a blob in the corners to keep the air moving through the cooler and not around it. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
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Date: Nov 23, 2011
Subject: Fiberglass Body Work Question
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
I am finish sanding my fiberglass top to window seam on my RV-10. In a few areas, to maintain a smooth finish to the top, I have sanded through the fiberglass cloth that covers the joint to the windows. My question is, will this cause a crack long term after paint, or do you think it will be OK? Should I lay up a small layer of glass and re-fill? My worry is, I will then just sand back through that layer too to get a smooth transition. I suppose I could build it up back out further. Thoughts? Thanks -Mike Kraus ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fiberglass Body Work Question
Date: Nov 23, 2011
I was looking at mine the other day and I'm going to have to build it furthe r out too. The windscreen it at least 1/8" proud and I'll bet it's more tha n that if I really measured it. I'm planning on laying some glass across the gap to give the balloons some s upport when they go down. Phil On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Michael Kraus wrot e: > I am finish sanding my fiberglass top to window seam on my RV-10. In a fe w areas, to maintain a smooth finish to the top, I have sanded through the f iberglass cloth that covers the joint to the windows. > > My question is, will this cause a crack long term after paint, or do you t hink it will be OK? Should I lay up a small layer of glass and re-fill? My worry is, I will then just sand back through that layer too to get a smooth transition. I suppose I could build it up back out further. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks > -Mike Kraus > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Fiberglass Body Work Question
Date: Nov 23, 2011
That happened to me and I DID NOT go back and rework it. I have cracks around my windows. I was worried about that when I was building....but now that I am flying (3 years) it does not bother me...but that is me, I would just as soon were dirty blue jeans, old t-shirts, and not use a comb...you may be different. :) Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:37 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fiberglass Body Work Question I am finish sanding my fiberglass top to window seam on my RV-10. In a few areas, to maintain a smooth finish to the top, I have sanded through the fiberglass cloth that covers the joint to the windows. My question is, will this cause a crack long term after paint, or do you think it will be OK? Should I lay up a small layer of glass and re-fill? My worry is, I will then just sand back through that layer too to get a smooth transition. I suppose I could build it up back out further. Thoughts? Thanks -Mike Kraus ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Fiberglass Body Work Question
Date: Nov 23, 2011
Two (one inch strip) layers of E-glass on a 45 bias around the windows and on fiberglass embedded blinds will prevent later show through, due to a few hundred hours of vibration _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:58 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fiberglass Body Work Question That happened to me and I DID NOT go back and rework it. I have cracks around my windows. I was worried about that when I was building....but now that I am flying (3 years) it does not bother me...but that is me, I would just as soon were dirty blue jeans, old t-shirts, and not use a comb...you may be different. :) Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:37 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fiberglass Body Work Question I am finish sanding my fiberglass top to window seam on my RV-10. In a few areas, to maintain a smooth finish to the top, I have sanded through the fiberglass cloth that covers the joint to the windows. My question is, will this cause a crack long term after paint, or do you think it will be OK? Should I lay up a small layer of glass and re-fill? My worry is, I will then just sand back through that layer too to get a smooth transition. I suppose I could build it up back out further. Thoughts? Thanks -Mike Kraus www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fiberglass Body Work Question
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Nov 23, 2011
Yes, that is what I did. Then I sanded and filled to get a nice finish and I sanded through the glass in a few spots. Issue, or no issue? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 23, 2011, at 10:24 AM, "DLM" wrote: > Two (one inch strip) layers of E-glass on a 45 bias around the windows and on fiberglass embedded blinds will prevent later show through, due to a few hundred hours of vibration > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:58 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fiberglass Body Work Question > > That happened to me and I DID NOT go back and rework it. I have cracks ar ound my windows. I was worried about that when I was building ..but now that I am flying (3 years) it does not bother me .but that is me, I would just as soon were dirty blue jeans, old t-shirts , and not use a comb..you may be different. :) > > Rene' Felker > N423CF > 801-721-6080 > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:37 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Fiberglass Body Work Question > > I am finish sanding my fiberglass top to window seam on my RV-10. In a fe w areas, to maintain a smooth finish to the top, I have sanded through the f iberglass cloth that covers the joint to the windows. > > My question is, will this cause a crack long term after paint, or do you t hink it will be OK? Should I lay up a small layer of glass and re-fill? My worry is, I will then just sand back through that layer too to get a smooth transition. I suppose I could build it up back out further. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks > -Mike Kraus > > > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ch ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: RV-10 in Sport Aviation this month
Date: Nov 23, 2011
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201112#pg36 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2011
From: davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Fiberglass Body Work Question
One of the cardinal rules you don't want to break when building a composite airplane is that you compromise the integrity of the structure when you sand down and cut into and remove glass,,,, or even fracture the strands of the glass. Whether or not that will have any significant impact of the area in question on our -10's canopy, I don't think anyone here can answer unless they know the number of lay-ups, glass used, epoxy used, testing done,,,on and on. I installed my windows last week (flox,,,,,,no Weld-On for me) and will fair them in as best as possible with BID glass, flox, and micro. They may not sit perfectly flush with the canopy but I will leave well enough alone. David Clifford RV-10 Builder Howell, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kraus" <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:37:04 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fiberglass Body Work Question Fiberglass Body Work Question I am finish sanding my fiberglass top to window seam on my RV-10. In a few areas, to maintain a smooth finish to the top, I have sanded through the fiberglass cloth that covers the joint to the windows. My question is, will this cause a crack long term after paint, or do you think it will be OK? Should I lay up a small layer of glass and re-fill? My worry is, I will then just sand back through that layer too to get a smooth transition. I suppose I could build it up back out further. Thoughts? Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Fiberglass Body Work Question
Date: Nov 23, 2011
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From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Subject: Foldable scooter
Date: Nov 23, 2011
Who agrees with me that Tim O. should build his own folding scooter from le ft-over parts? : ) Tim D-T N52KS ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2011
Subject: Fuel Transducers - All at once
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I've done some work that others approaching the FWF section might benefit from. I've compiled all the photos I can find of fuel flow transducer locations. There seems to be a theme if you flip through them. If you still have FWF work ahead of you, tuck these photos away and they'll make sense later on. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Fiberglass Body Work Question
Date: Nov 23, 2011
No issue if it's the extra glass; probably not an issue in any case. I used 1 inch e-glass tapes from Aircraft Spruce over the blinds. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 8:46 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fiberglass Body Work Question Yes, that is what I did. Then I sanded and filled to get a nice finish and I sanded through the glass in a few spots. Issue, or no issue? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 23, 2011, at 10:24 AM, "DLM" wrote: Two (one inch strip) layers of E-glass on a 45 bias around the windows and on fiberglass embedded blinds will prevent later show through, due to a few hundred hours of vibration _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:58 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fiberglass Body Work Question That happened to me and I DID NOT go back and rework it. I have cracks around my windows. I was worried about that when I was building....but now that I am flying (3 years) it does not bother me...but that is me, I would just as soon were dirty blue jeans, old t-shirts, and not use a comb...you may be different. :) Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:37 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fiberglass Body Work Question I am finish sanding my fiberglass top to window seam on my RV-10. In a few areas, to maintain a smooth finish to the top, I have sanded through the fiberglass cloth that covers the joint to the windows. My question is, will this cause a crack long term after paint, or do you think it will be OK? Should I lay up a small layer of glass and re-fill? My worry is, I will then just sand back through that layer too to get a smooth transition. I suppose I could build it up back out further. Thoughts? Thanks -Mike Kraus www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================================== ctric.com >www.buildersbooks.com uilthelp.com matronics.com/contribution ================================== ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ================================== cs.com ================================== matronics.com/contribution ================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Foldable scooter
Date: Nov 23, 2011
Don't waste your time on a foldable scooter. Just bolt on an IO-360 and som e goggles. Robin So Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:54 AM Subject: RV10-List: Foldable scooter Who agrees with me that Tim O. should build his own folding scooter from le ft-over parts? : ) Tim D-T N52KS rsbooks.com> m> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Transducers - All at once
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Nov 23, 2011
I know some others have not shared my good luck, but I put mine in the stock Van's location, and, outside of reading slightly high (conservative direction) when the aux fuel pump is on, it works perfectly. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359029#359029 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Transducers - All at once
That's my experience also. I'm using the GRT fuel flow device (not red box) and the 200 setting on the GRT EIS. Overall, it seems to be slightly conservative compared to actual consumption. The effect of the boost pump can be observed just by watching fuel flow readings. I wish I had done something different but since the error is in the right direction and boost pump use is minimal, I'll just stay with it as is. Bill On 11/23/2011 2:09 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" > > I know some others have not shared my good luck, but I put mine in the stock Van's location, and, outside of reading slightly high (conservative direction) when the aux fuel pump is on, it works perfectly. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: box x headset for sale
Date: Nov 23, 2011
I have a pair of Bose X for sale. I bought one from one of our guys on this list for $525 including shipping. Mine is for sale at $500 including 2nd day FedEx shipping. It is about 6 years old but in excellent condition. The pads have been replaced (don't know when; at one of the sun/fun events). I have bought a Bose A20 and I think that my wife deserves her own set too. Email me offline if you are interested. Thanks Rob Kermanj ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2011
Subject: Seattle Avionics - Lifetime Charts
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I just saw a note on VAF that Seattle Avionics is offering their lifetime chart subscription service for one last time this weekend. I don't know if that's true or not. But given the pending chart increase and the many years of flying ahead of me, I think I'm going to spring for it. I'm guessing I need both the Charts and the IFR services? Not sure, but I'll bet I need both. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2011
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: Bogert's Tow-Bar Project
Bogert's Tow-Bar Project=0A=0ATim, could you please indicate if-anything ever come of the combined Bogert tow-bar and gust lock device?=0A-=0AKind regards=0A-=0APatrick Pulis=0A=0AFrom: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>=0ATo: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Friday, 18 Nov ember 2011 2:31 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Why you don't just strap t 0.com>=0A=0AThere are better resources out there than me but here is my gus t lock.=0A=0Ahttp://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/control_locks/index.htm l=0A=0AAnd here is a tiedown write up that had the tiedown tips at the bott om.=0A=0Ahttp://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/tiedowns/index.html=0A=0ATi m ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
Subject: Re: Bogert's Tow-Bar Project
Date: Nov 24, 2011
Not that I ever saw as an official project. I myself leave my Towbar home o n some trips because I'm packed too tight, so I'm happy with just a small gu st lock at times. Tim On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote : > Bogert's Tow-Bar Project > Tim, could you please indicate if anything ever come of the combined Boger t tow-bar and gust lock device? > > Kind regards > > Patrick Pulis > > From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> > To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com" > Sent: Friday, 18 November 2011 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... > > > There are better resources out there than me but here is my gust lock. > > http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/control_locks/index.html > > And here is a tiedown write up that had the tiedown tips at the bottom. > > http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/tiedowns/index.html > > Tim > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Seattle Avionics - Lifetime Charts
Date: Nov 24, 2011
Now if they would only give a multi-platform license for Voyager, AFS, Wingx, and Foreflight. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Seattle Avionics - Lifetime Charts I just saw a note on VAF that Seattle Avionics is offering their lifetime chart subscription service for one last time this weekend. I don't know if that's true or not. But given the pending chart increase and the many years of flying ahead of me, I think I'm going to spring for it. I'm guessing I need both the Charts and the IFR services? Not sure, but I'll bet I need both. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution...
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From: "Billy & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Finger strainer screens
Date: Nov 25, 2011
Should I pro-seal in the finger strainer screens in the fuel tanks or use some other thread sealing compound? I'm not using the pro seal on the drain sumps in the bottom of the wings simply because I can get to them without removing the wings. What kind of thread sealing compound is anyone using?? Thanks, Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 25, 2011
Subject: Re: Finger strainer screens
Just use a standard thread sealing compound like White Seal or Bakerseal. Proseal would make them pretty difficult to ever remove. There's not much risk of them backing out. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: > Should I pro-seal in the finger strainer screens in the fuel tanks or use > some other thread sealing compound? I'm not using the pro seal on the drain > sumps in the bottom of the wings simply because I can get to them without > removing the wings. What kind of thread sealing compound is anyone using?? > > Thanks, > Bill > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2011
Subject: Re: Finger strainer screens
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Parker TiteSeal is about as good as it gets. Of course the smallest quantity you can get is enough for 500 RV-10s. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/titesealit.php On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > > Just use a standard thread sealing compound like White Seal or > Bakerseal. Proseal would make them pretty difficult to ever remove. > There's not much risk of them backing out. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141Shop > 831-750-0284Cell > > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: >> Should I pro-seal in the finger strainer screens in the fuel tanks or use >> some other thread sealing compound? I'm not using the pro seal on the drain >> sumps in the bottom of the wings simply because I can get to them without >> removing the wings. What kind of thread sealing compound is anyone using?? >> >> Thanks, >> Bill >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Comm antenna placement
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Nov 25, 2011
For logistical reasons I would love to run my two comm antennae under the center box basically between the gear legs 36" apart. Anyone had any issues with a similar installation? Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359274#359274 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: List access
Date: Nov 25, 2011
I am having trouble getting in to the Matronics site and wondered if anybody else is? David Maib 40559 Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: List access
Date: Nov 25, 2011
David, No problem for me using this link. http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=10 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <dmaib(at)mac.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:56 PM Subject: RV10-List: List access > > I am having trouble getting in to the Matronics site and wondered if > anybody else is? > > David Maib > 40559 > Flying > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: List access
Date: Nov 25, 2011
Thanks Sean. I am able to get in, but it is painfully slow. Must be something on my end. David Maib On Nov 25, 2011, at 11:10 PM, Seano wrote: > > David, > > No problem for me using this link. > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=10 > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <dmaib(at)mac.com> > To: > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:56 PM > Subject: RV10-List: List access > > >> I am having trouble getting in to the Matronics site and wondered >> if anybody else is? >> David Maib >> 40559 >> Flying >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2011
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
I would wonder where you would put your transponder antenna if you put the com antennas that far forward. You need similar distance spacing for the transponder antenna. The transponder should have RG400 cable, while the coms will be fine with RG58, so it would seem cheaper to make longer runs with RG58 and keep the transponder antenna fairly close to the instrument panel. I think most RV-10s I have seen have placed com antenna(s) under rear seats or baggage compartment. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:55 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > For logistical reasons I would love to run my two comm antennae under the center box basically between the gear legs 36" apart. Anyone had any issues with a similar installation? > > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359274#359274 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Nov 25, 2011
The xponder is already in behind the baggage compartment which complicates spacing. Below the rear seats or baggage means ripping up floors which I was hoping to avoid. I thought of running the antenna aft but it would mean sharing conduit with the SkyView network cable which they don't recommend. The easiest point of access is the open cross section between the gear legs, but my fear is shadowing from the wings on the ground. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359283#359283 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
Date: Nov 25, 2011
Check out Deems site. That's what he did and I think he has been happy with the results. At least he was the last time it was discussed. Phil On Nov 25, 2011, at 9:55 PM, "woxofswa" wrote: > > For logistical reasons I would love to run my two comm antennae under the center box basically between the gear legs 36" apart. Anyone had any issues with a similar installation? > > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359274#359274 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
I wouldn't worry about wing shadowing. I have a bent whip in about the same location on my Mooney and it works fine on ground and in air. I suppose it might be possible, but you normally aren't needing a range much over 5 miles for ground transmissions. On 11/25/2011 9:44 PM, woxofswa wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "woxofswa" > > The xponder is already in behind the baggage compartment which complicates spacing. Below the rear seats or baggage means ripping up floors which I was hoping to avoid. I thought of running the antenna aft but it would mean sharing conduit with the SkyView network cable which they don't recommend. The easiest point of access is the open cross section between the gear legs, but my fear is shadowing from the wings on the ground. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359283#359283 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
I put mine on top of the fuselage - about two feet aft of the point where the fiberglass cabin top meets the aluminum. Works well. VOR nav is under the horizontal stabilizer? Also works well. I would have preferred the nav on top of the vertical stabilizer, but did not pre-plan well enough. -------- See you OSH '12 Q/B - flying 2 yrs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359294#359294 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
Mine is located under the Front seats and the transponder ahead near the firewall. No issues. Let me know if you need dimension. Rob Kermanj Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:55 PM, "woxofswa" wrote: > > For logistical reasons I would love to run my two comm antennae under the center box basically between the gear legs 36" apart. Anyone had any issues with a similar installation? > > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359274#359274 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
I really like having the Comm antennas below the front seats, as far apart as possible, and I put the transponder antenna as far forward as I can get it at the bottom of the tunnel. I've never had any problems with this arrangement. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:55 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > For logistical reasons I would love to run my two comm antennae under the center box basically between the gear legs 36" apart. Anyone had any issues with a similar installation? > > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359274#359274 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
Date: Nov 26, 2011
That is exactly what I have don Sent from my iPhone On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:04 AM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > I really like having the Comm antennas below the front seats, as far apart as possible, and I put the transponder antenna as far forward as I can get it at the bottom of the tunnel. I've never had any problems with this arrangement. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse(at)saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:55 PM, woxofswa wrote: > >> >> For logistical reasons I would love to run my two comm antennae under the center box basically between the gear legs 36" apart. Anyone had any issues with a similar installation? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> -------- >> Myron Nelson >> Mesa, AZ >> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359274#359274 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
That is exactly what I have done. And added a second transponder type antenna farther back on the centerline under the flap mech area for traffic. No issues after 65 hours. -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:04 AM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > I really like having the Comm antennas below the front seats, as far apart as possible, and I put the transponder antenna as far forward as I can get it at the bottom of the tunnel. I've never had any problems with this arrangement. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse(at)saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:55 PM, woxofswa wrote: > >> >> For logistical reasons I would love to run my two comm antennae under the center box basically between the gear legs 36" apart. Anyone had any issues with a similar installation? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> -------- >> Myron Nelson >> Mesa, AZ >> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359274#359274 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
On mine: Xpdr 10" aft of fw in tunnel, com 1 in tunnel between rear seats, com 2 above rear seats with 22" ground plane bonded to interior of cabin top. My optional location for com was going to be under seat area closest to tunnel. You could have all three on bottom close to center and have access to them if you wanted. I will see how they work in a week or so. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359306#359306 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Finger strainer screens
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
I used fuel lube/ez turn on all but brake lines. Been holding fuel for three weeks now. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359307#359307 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Finger strainer screens
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
All pipe threads (NPT) should have something like Seal Lube on them. You want the finger strainer to be removable, so Pro Seal will make it permanent. All flare fittings should be assembled dry. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:17 AM, rv10flyer wrote: > > I used fuel lube/ez turn on all but brake lines. Been holding fuel for three weeks now. > > -------- > Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 > Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359307#359307 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
My first RV-10 had a pair of Comant bent whips below the rear seats, just aft of the rear spar carry-through. I put a couple of small access panels on the rear seat bottoms so it was easy to get to. I installed a doubler and nutplates while building the plane but with small access panels in the seat bottoms you could easily just use locknuts. This location, or something very close is used by a LOT of RV-10s that I've seen. It works well 99% of the time. The remaining 1% that sometimes is an issue is when trying to contact remote comm sites (like clearance delivery from a non-towered field) when sitting on the ground. I've also heard of others having issue at large towered fields when trying to talk to either clearance delivery or ground controllers. Comm in the air was always excellent. This time (my second -10) I decided to mount one comm in that same location and one on top of the cabin. my .02 FWIW. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359313#359313 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Comm antenna placement
Date: Nov 26, 2011
I would have liked one top comm and one bottom comm. By the time I installed all my antennas I had to put both on the bottom. I haven't had a problem yet in the RV-10 but I have in larger planes. In fact we use comm 2 on the ground so we know ground/clearance will have an easier time hearing us. I agree with Bob, if you can have both top and bottom positions you are better off ----- Original Message ----- From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Comm antenna placement > > My first RV-10 had a pair of Comant bent whips below the rear seats, just > aft of the rear spar carry-through. I put a couple of small access panels > on the rear seat bottoms so it was easy to get to. I installed a doubler > and nutplates while building the plane but with small access panels in the > seat bottoms you could easily just use locknuts. > > This location, or something very close is used by a LOT of RV-10s that > I've seen. It works well 99% of the time. The remaining 1% that > sometimes is an issue is when trying to contact remote comm sites (like > clearance delivery from a non-towered field) when sitting on the ground. > I've also heard of others having issue at large towered fields when trying > to talk to either clearance delivery or ground controllers. Comm in the > air was always excellent. > > This time (my second -10) I decided to mount one comm in that same > location and one on top of the cabin. > > my .02 FWIW. > > Bob > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359313#359313 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Paint Question
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
One of the painters I am considering going with uses Jet-Glo paint only. What are the advantages and disadvantages of this type of paint? Anyone recommend or not recommend it for an RV-10? Thanks -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Paint Question
Date: Nov 26, 2011
It's a Sherwin-Williams paint system developed for commercial and military aircraft. Even has a mil spec I believe > Subject: RV10-List: Paint Question > From: n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net > Date: Sat=2C 26 Nov 2011 12:29:47 -0500 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > t> > > One of the painters I am considering going with uses Jet-Glo paint only. What are the advantages and disadvantages of this type of paint? > > Anyone recommend or not recommend it for an RV-10? > > Thanks > -Mike Kraus > > Sent from my iPhone > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Paint Question
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
I can't speak to specific advantages/disadvantages of JetGlo vs. other products like Imron, etc. I will say though that my first RV-10 was painted with JetGlo/AcryGlo and while I only flew it for a couple years, it held up very well. It was widely used on Citations and other biz-jets and our RVs aren't nearly as demanding. A very well known/respected/liked paint shop - GLO Custom (Grady) down at 52F uses JetGlo/AcryGlo and specializes in painting RVs. He's very personable and I'm sure he'd be happy to discuss technical details of the product with you. Prior to starting his company he worked painting high end piston and turbine aircraft. He told me that JetGlo is robust enough that you could put an MEK soaked rag on it, let it sit for a while and it wouldn't even touch the cured paint job. He said that's how they removed de-ice boots. Like I said, other products probably have similar characteristics and you'd probably just as well off with them. It's probably more important that the painter be very familiar with the product line than anything. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359343#359343 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Paint Question
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
I used jet-glo. It looks good after six years. Can't say that it has any advantages over auto paint. It is made for aircraft and that is the only reason I used it. Do no archive. Rob Kermanj Sent from my iPhone On Nov 26, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > One of the painters I am considering going with uses Jet-Glo paint only. What are the advantages and disadvantages of this type of paint? > > Anyone recommend or not recommend it for an RV-10? > > Thanks > -Mike Kraus > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Paint Question
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2011
I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a hangared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Seattle Avionics - Lifetime Charts
Date: Nov 26, 2011
I did this last year and am very glad I did. I love there Voyager and I have made my own Sky view so I have 3d moving maps in the plane and not on a IPAD Either. Description: ISlogoLAsmall John Cumins President 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: RV10-List: Seattle Avionics - Lifetime Charts I just saw a note on VAF that Seattle Avionics is offering their lifetime chart subscription service for one last time this weekend. I don't know if that's true or not. But given the pending chart increase and the many years of flying ahead of me, I think I'm going to spring for it. I'm guessing I need both the Charts and the IFR services? Not sure, but I'll bet I need both. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: FW: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData
Date: Nov 27, 2011
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Date: Nov 26, 2011
Subject: Fwd: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Seattle Avionics <johnr(at)seattleavionics.com> Date: Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:35 AM Subject: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData You're receiving this email because you own or have a trial of a Seattle Avionics product such as the SkyPad, Voyager, or ChartData. Please confirm<http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/c.jsp?llr=o4ainpcab&t=11 08780741754.2466.11511611246.2&m=1102176322542&wl=F>your continued interest in receiving email from us. 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From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Fwd: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData
Date: Nov 26, 2011
Doesn't say anything about Foreflight app=2C so it's not a go for me. Never got a notification either. Date: Sat=2C 26 Nov 2011 17:36:08 -0700 Subject: RV10-List: Fwd: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData From: apilot2(at)gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Seattle Avionics <johnr(at)seattleavionics.com> Date: Fri=2C Nov 25=2C 2011 at 12:35 AM Subject: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData You're receiving this email because you own or have a trial of a Seattle Av ionics product such as the SkyPad=2C Voyager=2C or ChartData. Please confir m your continued interest in receiving email from us. You may unsubscribe if you no longer wish to receive our emails. Dear Seattle Avionics customer=2C Let's cut to the chase. Because of a forthcoming change in pricing from th e FAA we strongly believe that the price of aviation data from all vendors =2C including Seattle Avionics=2C will have to increase=3B we just don't kn ow how much yet. For more information=2C click here. Therefore=2C TODAY IS THE LAST DAY SEATTLE AVIONICS WILL OFFER LIFETIME CHARTDATA SUBSCR IPTIONS Buy a Lifetime subscription today and you'll never have to pay for data aga in. Period. We're in a position to do this because our business is very strong (on-trac k to roughly double our sales this year) and because we can spread the cost of this over a lot of customers since we provide ChartData to every major iPad app plus Aspen=2C Honeywell (Bendix/King)=2C AvMap=2C Advanced Flight Systems=2C and more. Several more will be announced shortly. So=2C read below and pick the subscription you need for your system. Becau se we're not entirely insane=2C each of these offers is limited to just the first 100 buyers. Lifetime ChartData Specials Lifetime Aspen ChartData Subscription $995 Buy Now Usual annual price: $299. First 100 orders only. Seattle Avionics makes the only FAA-certified geo-referenced approach plate s and airport diagrams available from anyone other than Jeppesen. These ch arts are now available for the Aspen MFD 1000 and 500. Requires Evolution version 2.2 or later. US data only. Lifetime AV8OR ACE or AV8OR Handheld ChartData Subscription $599 AV8OR ACE / $149 AV8OR Handheld Buy Now Usual annual price: $249 (AV8OR ACE IFR + VFR)=2C $49 (AV8OR Handheld Airpo rts only) First 100 orders only. For the first (and last) time ever=2C you can now buy ChartData for your AV 8OR or AV8OR and never pay again. These AV8OR ACE subscriptions include al l IFR and VFR ChartData (geo-referenced plates=2C seamless IFR Low charts =2C seamless IFR High charts=2C geo-referenced airport diagrams=2C and seam less Sectionals/TACs). AV8OR Handheld subscriptions include geo-referenced airport diagrams only. US data only. Lifetime WingX ChartData Subscription $299 Buy Now Usual annual price: $75. First 100 orders only. Our Lifetime WingX ChartData subscription means you never pay for geo-refer enced approach plates and airport diagrams again. Note: This ChartData mus t be used in conjunction with the normal WingX subscription available separ ately from Hilton Software. US data only. Lifetime Beacon ChartData Subscription $299 VFR / $549 VFR + IFR Buy Now Usual annual price: $99 VFR-only=2C $195 VFR + IFR. First 100 orders only. Never pay for data again with Beacon. Everything you need for safe flying is included: Seamless Sectionals=2C digital data=2C geo-referenced approach plates and airport diagrams (Requires IFR subscription)=2C and seamless IF R Low and High Altitude Enroute charts (Requires IFR subscription). US dat a only. Lifetime SkyRadar ChartData Subscription $299 Buy Now Usual annual price: $99. First 100 orders only. Our Lifetime SkyRadar ChartData subscription means you never pay for geo- referenced approach plates and airport diagrams again. Note: This ChartDat a must be used in conjunction with the normal SkyRadar subscription availa ble separately from Radenna Software. Lifetime Voyager Subscriptions A Lifetime Voyager subscription means you never have to pay for aviation da ta again when using any current or future Voyager product. Today that mean s any system running Windows 7=2C Vista=2C or XP. In the future=2C that ma y mean additional operating systems or platforms (Windows 8=2C etc.). A Voyager Lifetime subscription is not transferable to apps or devices made by other companies that use our ChartData (ForeFlight=2C WingX=2C etc.). First 100 orders only. Lifetime VFR US ChartData Subscription. Previously $299=2C today only: $249 . Buy. Lifetime EFB (VFR + IFR + Geo-Referenced Plates and Airport Diagrams) US Ch artData Subscription. Previously $829=2C today only: $499. Buy. Upgrade Lifetime VFR or IFR US to Lifetime EFB US. Today only: $349. Call . SkyPad3 + Lifetime ChartData $995 Buy Now Buy the incredible SkyPad3 complete EFB system at the usual $995 price and get a free Lifetime EFB ChartData subscription (usual price: $829) for free ! In other words=2C buy a SkyPad3 and never pay for data again while using wh at Aviation Consumer consistently ranks as the #1 flight planning software. Today only. First 100 orders only. >> SkyPad3 Overview >> SkyPad3 Details >> SkyPad3 Quick Info Video The Fine Print Only 100 units of each offer is available. At these prices=2C we're sorry but no additional discount can be given for an existing subscription. No exceptions. ChartData subscriptions for these iPad apps is portable between them. However=2C other apps and devices tha t use our ChartData may require application-specific subscriptions not incl uded here. ChartData subscriptions cannot be transferred from Voyager to any other app lication (including an iPad app).All ChartData offered in this promotion is for US ChartData only.$39 ground shipping and handling is added to all Sky Pad3 orders. For SkyPad3 orders=2C please allow 2-3 weeks for standard delivery because of the expected order volume. Each SkyPad3 is customized for the buyer.Due to the holiday=2C Seattle Avionics will have a very limited staff on Frida y so to ensure that you get one of the first 100 units available=2C we very strongly suggest you use the links in this email to order online. Safe Flying - John Rutter=2C President JohnR(at)SeattleAvionics.com 19825 141st Place NE 2nd Floor Woodinville=2C Washington 98072 425.806.0249 Forward email This email was sent to apilot2(at)gmail.com by johnr(at)seattleavionics.com | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe=99 | Privacy Policy. 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From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData
Date: Nov 26, 2011
The links still work, and I just bought mine for WingXPro. Thanks - grumpy On Nov 26, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > > > > Subject: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData > > You're receiving this email because you own or have a trial of a Seattle Avionics product such as the SkyPad, Voyager, or ChartData. Pleaseconfirm your continued interest in receiving email from us. > > You may unsubscribe if you no longer wish to receive our emails. > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Seattle Avionics customer, > > Let's cut to the chase. Because of a forthcoming change in pricing from the FAA we strongly believe that the price of aviation data from all vendors, including Seattle Avionics, will have to increase; we just don't know how much yet. For more information, click here. > > Therefore, > > TODAY IS THE LAST DAY SEATTLE AVIONICS WILL OFFER LIFETIME CHARTDATA SUBSCRIPTIONS > > Buy a Lifetime subscription today and you'll never have to pay for data again. Period. > > We're in a position to do this because our business is very strong (on-track to roughly double our sales this year) and because we can spread the cost of this over a lot of customers since we provide ChartData to every major iPad app plus Aspen, Honeywell (Bendix/King), AvMap, Advanced Flight Systems, and more. Several more will be announced shortly. > > So, read below and pick the subscription you need for your system. Because we're not entirely insane, each of these offers is limited to just the first 100 buyers. > > > Lifetime ChartData Specials > > > Lifetime Aspen ChartData Subscription > $995 > Buy Now > > Usual annual price: $299. > First 100 orders only. > > Seattle Avionics makes the only FAA-certified geo-referenced approach plates and airport diagrams available from anyone other than Jeppesen. These charts are now available for the Aspen MFD 1000 and 500. Requires Evolution version 2.2 or later. US data only. > > > Lifetime AV8OR ACE or AV8OR Handheld ChartData Subscription > $599 AV8OR ACE / $149 AV8OR Handheld > Buy Now > Usual annual price: $249 (AV8OR ACE IFR + VFR), $49 (AV8OR Handheld Airports only) > First 100 orders only. > > For the first (and last) time ever, you can now buy ChartData for your AV8OR or AV8OR and never pay again. These AV8OR ACE subscriptions include all IFR and VFR ChartData (geo-referenced plates, seamless IFR Low charts, seamless IFR High charts, geo-referenced airport diagrams, and seamless Sectionals/TACs). AV8OR Handheld subscriptions include geo-referenced airport diagrams only. US data only. > > > Lifetime WingX ChartData Subscription > $299 > Buy Now > Usual annual price: $75. > First 100 orders only. > > Our Lifetime WingX ChartData subscription means you never pay for geo-referenced approach plates and airport diagrams again. Note: This ChartData must be used in conjunction with the normal WingX subscription available separately from Hilton Software. US data only. > > > Lifetime Beacon ChartData Subscription > $299 VFR / $549 VFR + IFR > Buy Now > Usual annual price: $99 VFR-only, $195 VFR + IFR. > First 100 orders only. > > Never pay for data again with Beacon. Everything you need for safe flying is included: Seamless Sectionals, digital data, geo-referenced approach plates and airport diagrams (Requires IFR subscription), and seamless IFR Low and High Altitude Enroute charts (Requires IFR subscription). US data only. > > > Lifetime SkyRadar ChartData Subscription > $299 > Buy Now > Usual annual price: $99. > First 100 orders only. > > Our Lifetime SkyRadar ChartData subscription means you never pay for geo-referenced approach plates and airport diagrams again. Note: This ChartData must be used in conjunction with the normal SkyRadar subscription available separately from Radenna Software. > > > Lifetime Voyager Subscriptions > A Lifetime Voyager subscription means you never have to pay for aviation data again when using any current or future Voyager product. Today that means any system running Windows 7, Vista, or XP. In the future, that may mean additional operating systems or platforms (Windows 8, etc.). > > A Voyager Lifetime subscription is not transferable to apps or devices made by other companies that use our ChartData (ForeFlight, WingX, etc.). > > First 100 orders only. > Lifetime VFR US ChartData Subscription. Previously $299, today only: $249. Buy. > Lifetime EFB (VFR + IFR + Geo-Referenced Plates and Airport Diagrams) US ChartData Subscription. Previously $829, today only: $499. Buy. > Upgrade Lifetime VFR or IFR US to Lifetime EFB US. Today only: $349. Call. > > > SkyPad3 + Lifetime ChartData > $995 > Buy Now > > Buy the incredible SkyPad3 complete EFB system at the usual $995 price and get a free Lifetime EFB ChartData subscription (usual price: $829) for free! > > In other words, buy a SkyPad3 and never pay for data again while using what Aviation Consumer consistently ranks as the #1 flight planning software. > > Today only. First 100 orders only. > > >> SkyPad3 Overview > >> SkyPad3 Details > >> SkyPad3 Quick Info Video > > > The Fine Print > Only 100 units of each offer is available. > At these prices, we're sorry but no additional discount can be given for an existing subscription. No exceptions. > ChartData subscriptions for these iPad apps is portable between them. However, other apps and devices that use our ChartData may require application-specific subscriptions not included here. > ChartData subscriptions cannot be transferred from Voyager to any other application (including an iPad app). > All ChartData offered in this promotion is for US ChartData only. > $39 ground shipping and handling is added to all SkyPad3orders. > For SkyPad3 orders, please allow 2-3 weeks for standard delivery because of the expected order volume. Each SkyPad3is customized for the buyer. > Due to the holiday, Seattle Avionics will have a very limited staff on Friday so to ensure that you get one of the first 100 units available, we very strongly suggest you use the links in this email to order online. > > Safe Flying > > - John Rutter, President > JohnR(at)SeattleAvionics.com > > 19825 141st Place NE > 2nd Floor > Woodinville, Washington 98072 > 425.806.0249 > Forward email > > > This email was sent to robin(at)painttheweb.com by johnr(at)seattleavionics.com | > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe=99 | Privacy Policy. > Seattle Avionics | 19825 141st Place NE | 2nd Floor | Woodinville | WA | 98072 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
..... Like I said, other products probably have similar characteristics and you'd probably just as well off with them. It's probably more important that the painter be very familiar with the product line than anything. Bob I'd 2nd that opinion. In other words, select the paint shop based on whatever criteria you choose, then use what the paint shop wants to use. I'm a DIY first time painter so I don't have any actual experience with paint shops. But it's pretty clear to me that 1) there are a number of very high quality polyurethane-based paint systems out there, 2) there are great advantages to having experience with a given system, and that 1+2 = pick someone based on references and go with their recommendations. I used a current version of Imron but I'm convinced it really doesn't matter as much as experience with a given system. For those of you that used a shop, how many of you got your plane back when first promised? Just curious.... Bill "landing after a most beautiful sunset and moonrise to chase the deer from in front of my hangar" Watson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: FW: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData
Date: Nov 26, 2011
I started to buy but understood that the wingx was for the geo referenced plates only not the rest of the IFR regular plates or Low or Hi or sectionals. The rest of the plates are $100 per year from Wingx and will be $100+ in the future. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData The links still work, and I just bought mine for WingXPro. Thanks - grumpy On Nov 26, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Robin Marks wrote: Subject: Black Friday Only. Last Chance Lifetime ChartData You're receiving this email because you own or have a trial of a Seattle Avionics product such as the SkyPad, Voyager, or ChartData. Pleaseconfirm <http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/c.jsp?llr=o4ainpcab&t=1108780741754. 25798.75578030.2&m=1102176322542&wl=F> your continued interest in receiving email from us. 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From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Date: Nov 26, 2011
For those interested in doing their own paint job, I just finished the last pieces for my 10 today. Total cost for material was $3700 so even doing it yourself is not cheap by any standard. I used high end PPG base coat/clear coat, with one color (red metallic) being a tri coat. If you can get a paint job for under $12,000, jump on it. I have three months of work in this. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a hangared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution Today...
Dear Listers, A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser and the List of Contributors is quickly approching. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for by your Contributions during this time of the year. Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running! http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2011
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
To comment on Jet Glo and Waynes comment on waxing.... I used it and am ver y happy... but my painter said that if I were a person that "had" to wax th e plane often, this is not the paint for you.- Apparently it's fairly har d, and does not like to be waxed often.... "works for me"!=0ADon McDonald =0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: rv10flyer <wayne.gillis pie(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, November 26 , 2011 4:59 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question=0A =0A--> RV10-List message posted by: "rv10flyer" =0A=0AI checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a hangared pl ane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of course min e is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the f amily.=0A=0A--------=0AWayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08=0ABldr# 409 83SB Remaining: First flight.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357=0A=0A=0A=0A ======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Congrats Carl! I found painting as satisfying as building - didn't expect that but shouldn't have been surprised. Not only is the paint the first thing people see, but it's also often the first reaction, as in, "You built this yourself! Really? You mean like the paint too?" Being able to say 'yes' is nice. But it is challenging, toxic work. A good $12k paint job is worth the price. It also gives me some insight into how Maule was able to offer a new 1995 MX7-180a for $59k.. it certainly didn't go into the paint job. Anyway, modern polyurethane coating systems are as highly evolved as modern avionics. Applied well, they are a wonder. Bill On 11/26/2011 9:01 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich" > > For those interested in doing their own paint job, I just finished the last > pieces for my 10 today. Total cost for material was $3700 so even doing it > yourself is not cheap by any standard. I used high end PPG base coat/clear > coat, with one color (red metallic) being a tri coat. > > If you can get a paint job for under $12,000, jump on it. I have three > months of work in this. > > Carl > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Date: Nov 27, 2011
Just as a thought, I painted my own plane. It's short term, but I did it for a few reasons. no worries about exposed aluminum and fiberglass when flying. Priming absorbs and actually is worse than nothing at all and lastly I knew if I opted for a 8K paint job I would be upset during the fly off. My point! no regrets with the scratches all over the plane from the cowling, seems things shifted in flight and I need to make some fiberglass fixes and I expect I will continue to do so for another few months, dont spend all that money on a new paint job until after all the fly off has been done, once all fixes and cosmetic adjustments are made than get it painted right. I know Tim did it himself and it looks great, mine works for what I intended, protect the plane from the weather. So I'm with you Wayne "mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family." in other words please dont point out that spot I missed at the next flyin ;-) I plan to repaint my plane in the future. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: rv10flyer Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a hangared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Baggage area width @ door?
From: "MotoPOD" <MotoPOD(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 27, 2011
It's about 36" x 108" and the Yamaha XT-225 fits perfectly. It also fits bicycles, skis, 2x4's, model airplanes, surf boards, golf clubs, deer, ladders, etc. :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359526#359526 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4955m_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_5295l_180.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02550m_158.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: N919AR First Flight
Date: Nov 28, 2011
Well Lister's I would like to report another flying RV-10. After 8 years, 1 month, and 1 day of construction, on 11/27/2011 at 9:07 a.m., N919AR took to the air over eastern NC (EWN). The flight was a half hour of smooth, non eventful test flying. The cowling was removed and engine inspected - no significant issues - cowling is on - now waiting for good weather to repeat! Can't say enough how much the list, and all those with their dedicated websites helped me build a wonderful airplane. Thanks. And no kidding, when I got home from the flight I sent money to Matt, don't forget that! You have got to hand it to those builders that built before the internet and didn't have matched holes, etc. etc.. I probably would have taken 16 years without the internet help. Everyone still building, (I couldn't wait to finally get to say that) should press on, it is sooooo worth it. Read that new article in Sport Aviation, it's all true! See the video of my flight if you like at: <http://www.youtube.com/user/73toaster#p/a/u/0/ISlitLMaRWk> -Chris Lucas N919AR #40072 "Flying" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: N919AR First Flight
Another NC RV10 flies... Congratulation Chris!! I like that silver Bill On 11/28/2011 7:24 PM, Chris wrote: > > Well Lister's I would like to report another flying RV-10. > > After 8 years, 1 month, and 1 day of construction, on 11/27/2011 at > 9:07 a.m., N919AR took to the air over eastern NC (EWN). The flight > was a half hour of smooth, non eventful test flying. The cowling was > removed and engine inspected - no significant issues - cowling is on - > now waiting for good weather to repeat! > > Can't say enough how much the list, and all those with their dedicated > websites helped me build a wonderful airplane. Thanks. And no > kidding, when I got home from the flight I sent money to Matt, don't > forget that! > > You have got to hand it to those builders that built before the > internet and didn't have matched holes, etc. etc.. I probably would > have taken 16 years without the internet help. > > Everyone still building, (I couldn't wait to finally get to say that) > should press on, it is sooooo worth it. Read that new article in Sport > Aviation, it's all true! > > See the video of my flight if you like at: > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/73toaster#p/a/u/0/ISlitLMaRWk> > > -Chris Lucas > > N919AR > > #40072 > > "Flying" > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2011
Subject: On Ground Accident - RV-10
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
http://www.blogdaresenhageral.com.br/v1/2011/11/17/rajada-de-vento-contribu iu-para-acidente-aereo/ Google Translate: A strong gust of wind contributed to the crash that led to the death of former Councilman Agnaldo Jose Pereira, 44. The victim jumped from the airc raft after this skid, and whacked by the propeller. He traveled in company with the pilot of the brother and a cousin, but no one suffered injuries. The tragedy occurred on the night of Monday, 14 in Conde=C3=BAba, to 642 km fro m Salvador. According to technical officers of the Center for Research and Prevention o f Aeronautical Accidents (Cenipa), the wind recorded at the time of the accident was sufficient to destabilize the Beechcraft. They found no mechan ical failures or irregularities in the documentation of the single-engine, in the analysis. During landing, the pilot lost control of the aircraft toward the runway gravel cashew farm, owned by former councilman. When the pilot and the victim's brother, Doriedson Pereira, tried to control the single-engine, Agnaldo panicked and opened the door. By stepping on the wing single engine was out of balance, fell forward and was hit by the propeller and died instantly. One of two officers in the service of Cenipa Jose Roberto Mendes da Silva, assured that the pilot lost control and the plane, which is approved by the National Civil Aviation Agency (ANAC), just off the road. The documentation of the aircraft, the pilot and the airfield are legalized. Located in Cashew Farm, 35 km from the headquarters of Conde=C3=BAba, the t rack has 1400 meters long by 30 feet wide with 20 feet of run-off area on each side. There were no damage to the aircraft or injury to other occupants. ANAC fits the model of experimental aircraft in the category, with a lower level of regulatory requirements. The aircraft, registration PR - ZCM, mode l PR-RV 10 VCM, with up to four people, was manufactured in the United States and assembled in Brazil. -------------------- Article #2 http://www.bahiaja.com.br/noticia.php?idNoticia=42548 Google Translate: The aircraft ran into trouble at the time of landing and resulted in the death of a passenger on the night of Monday (14), in southwestern Bahia, will undergo technical evaluation, according to the Center for Research and Prevention of Aeronautical Accidents (Cenipa), regional Recife (PE). The accident happened in the city of Conde=C3=BAba, about 650 km from Salvador. "We will make an initial action, seeking to provide basic information to further technical investigations. We want to know the factors that contributed. The result will be used for the creation of safety recommendations to all involved in the activity of flight," said the investigator in the Air Recife, Jose Roberto Mendes. He said the owners were instructed not to interfere with the scene of the accident so that technicians can find the situation preserved. The teams responsible for the work must still leave Recife in the morning. Former city councilor Agnaldo Jose Pereira, 44, despaired of the forced landing and the aircraft has already played the track area, then they could open the door, being hit by the propeller of the plane. He died instantly. The former politician was traveling with his brother and a cousin pilot, who suffered no injuries. Around 21h when the aircraft approached the runway of the particular family, within a farm, the accident occurred, the causes will be investigated. The area was cordoned off and the aircraft remains in place early on Tuesday. The fuselage of the aircraft suffered minor damage. The body of former councilman was taken to the Medico-Legal Institute (IML) Vitoria da Conquista, about 150 km Conde=C3=BAba. According to information from family members, the body will lie in state in City Hall and sent to the village of Alegre, about 40 km away, where he was born. Agnaldo took two terms, from 2000 to 2008 and had three children. According to relatives, the runway was built about two and a half years and is covered with gravel (not paved). The location is slightly away from the urban area of =8B=8BConde=C3=BAba. At the police station, no on e testified about the accident. According to agents of the police unit, the family members involved are unable to provide emotional clarity. -------------- Commentary on VAF: couple of weeks ago a RV10 landed on a farm strip with 3 POB. The landing was apparently rough and scary as it was already dark and the airplane ended up overshooting the runway with no major damage. The passenger on the right seat who was extremely scared of flying and as it landed and stopped, He simply opened the right door and possibly instead of jumping back, jumped forward and ended up hitting the prop, which caused his death. He might also have fallen from the wing instead of jumped. ------------- My comments. Nothing beats a good pre-flight passenger briefing. "When you exit the plane walk to the rear. If we land off field stay with the plane." That's standard in my passenger brief. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: N919AR First Flight
Date: Nov 28, 2011
I like the paint job too. Great video, have fun flying! ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:24 PM Subject: RV10-List: N919AR First Flight Well Lister's I would like to report another flying RV-10. After 8 years, 1 month, and 1 day of construction, on 11/27/2011 at 9:07 a.m., N919AR took to the air over eastern NC (EWN). The flight was a half hour of smooth, non eventful test flying. The cowling was removed and engine inspected - no significant issues - cowling is on - now waiting for good weather to repeat! Can't say enough how much the list, and all those with their dedicated websites helped me build a wonderful airplane. Thanks. And no kidding, when I got home from the flight I sent money to Matt, don't forget that! You have got to hand it to those builders that built before the internet and didn't have matched holes, etc. etc.. I probably would have taken 16 years without the internet help. Everyone still building, (I couldn't wait to finally get to say that) should press on, it is sooooo worth it. Read that new article in Sport Aviation, it's all true! See the video of my flight if you like at: <http://www.youtube.com/user/73toaster#p/a/u/0/ISlitLMaRWk> -Chris Lucas N919AR #40072 "Flying" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Byron&Donya" <bgill1(at)charter.net>
Subject: N919AR First Flight
Date: Nov 28, 2011
Congrats! May you have an un eventful phase one as well. Cheers, Byron N253RV 15 to go in phase one. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:24 PM Subject: RV10-List: N919AR First Flight Well Lister's I would like to report another flying RV-10. After 8 years, 1 month, and 1 day of construction, on 11/27/2011 at 9:07 a.m., N919AR took to the air over eastern NC (EWN). The flight was a half hour of smooth, non eventful test flying. The cowling was removed and engine inspected - no significant issues - cowling is on - now waiting for good weather to repeat! Can't say enough how much the list, and all those with their dedicated websites helped me build a wonderful airplane. Thanks. And no kidding, when I got home from the flight I sent money to Matt, don't forget that! You have got to hand it to those builders that built before the internet and didn't have matched holes, etc. etc.. I probably would have taken 16 years without the internet help. Everyone still building, (I couldn't wait to finally get to say that) should press on, it is sooooo worth it. Read that new article in Sport Aviation, it's all true! See the video of my flight if you like at: <http://www.youtube.com/user/73toaster#p/a/u/0/ISlitLMaRWk> -Chris Lucas N919AR #40072 "Flying" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: N919AR First Flight
Date: Nov 28, 2011
Way to go, Chris! Wish I could say I'm close behind you, but at least I'm back to work on mine now. Jack Phillips #40610 Raleigh, NC Still on the Wings _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:24 PM Subject: RV10-List: N919AR First Flight Well Lister's I would like to report another flying RV-10. After 8 years, 1 month, and 1 day of construction, on 11/27/2011 at 9:07 a.m., N919AR took to the air over eastern NC (EWN). The flight was a half hour of smooth, non eventful test flying. The cowling was removed and engine inspected - no significant issues - cowling is on - now waiting for good weather to repeat! Can't say enough how much the list, and all those with their dedicated websites helped me build a wonderful airplane. Thanks. And no kidding, when I got home from the flight I sent money to Matt, don't forget that! You have got to hand it to those builders that built before the internet and didn't have matched holes, etc. etc.. I probably would have taken 16 years without the internet help. Everyone still building, (I couldn't wait to finally get to say that) should press on, it is sooooo worth it. Read that new article in Sport Aviation, it's all true! See the video of my flight if you like at: <http://www.youtube.com/user/73toaster#p/a/u/0/ISlitLMaRWk> -Chris Lucas N919AR #40072 "Flying" ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N919AR First Flight
From: "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2011
Congratulations!! Welcome to the frequent flyers club. Greg... -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359617#359617 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two Days Left - Still Way Behind...
Dear Listers, There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. Over the last few weeks I have received some really nice comments from members on what the Lists have meant to them. I have included some of them below. Please read over the comments and ponder on your own feelings about the Lists and the support and camaraderie you have found here. We are still way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions. I really want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser that keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today. If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time to do it! Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution web site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a check in the mail: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ==================== A Few List Member Comments ===================== I get a lot of useful information and satisfaction from belonging to your groups. Somehow you foster a great sense of community without the baggage that accompanies other lists. Dave S. We do appreciate you running the lists spam and advertising free. Jeff P. I am celebrating my first flight day and you and the lists deserve a thanks since without it my build would have taken twice as long. Chris L. I enjoy the list. Have my morning coffee with it! Buddy M. Your lists are the best investment of my time and money, bar none, when it comes to interfacing with my fellow amateur builders. Owen B. Keep it going!! Thanks for taking over. Wallace J. I enjoy the Pietenpol List a lot. Malcolm Z. Thanks for your great site! As a new CJ-6 owner, your web site is an invaluable resource. Ken B. Great informational source. Fred S. Thanks for doing this! Lance G. Thank you for the service i do enjoy the many hours I use on line with the banter/ serious technical items. Noel G. Thanks for the years of builder support. Roy H. Great forum! Roger C. Thank you VERY MUCH, Matt, for carrying on with this great service. The "Europa" community really appreciates it. All the best, Svein - now celebrating 10 years as a subscriber, I think! Svein J. Matt, I'm building a much nicer and safer airplane because of your efforts. Robert D. 21 years for you 9 years for me on the Zenith lists. Could not imagine building and flying without Matronics. Brian U. Thanks for ALL the hard work and time you put into maintaining these forums. As an EAA Tech counselor I recommend them often. Paul M. This Pietenpol list is a huge part of the motivation that keeps me working on my project. This has been a great place for meeting like minded folks and getting help for the difficult parts. Thomas S. Thanks for the excellent service Matt. Frank S. Matt, I'm a Sonex building, but I have to say that the Piet group is without a doubt the most interesting. Ken M. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the Piet List. This is one of my sanity lifelines! Daniel H. Your site has provided us over the years with excellent connections to others for advice. Good job! Bob M. Kolb List is my #1 source! Henry V. Matt, you do a great job with this site. I've been with it since the beginning! John M. I am very grateful for all of your excellent work on the List. Arthur L. Thank you for the service you provide us all! Nicholas C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N919AR First Flight
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Congratulations! Hoping for some good wx for our test flying. I am planning on flying Th 12/1/2011. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359703#359703 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: N919AR First Flight
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Congratulations! Chris Enjoy the ride Geoff Geoff Combs -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: N919AR First Flight Congratulations! Hoping for some good wx for our test flying. I am planning on flying Th 12/1/2011. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359703#359703 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Billy & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Electrical connectors on stall warning system
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Hello again to everyone. I'm installing the stall warning system in my wing and need to connect the wires to it. Do I need a special crimper to crimp the ends to the wire or will a standard electrical crimper do the job. The fitting is an ES DV18-188M. I know I'll need a crimper down the road for various items. Is there one crimper that will do the job for the whole plane or is more than one type crimper necessary??? Which one do I need? Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: N919AR First Flight
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Well done Chris! looks like you had a great time, have even more fun during the phase 1. The video was excellent, great idea having the on-board cam. I concur with the fantastic paint job as well. Congrats, Marcus 40286 535 hours On Nov 28, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Chris wrote: Well Lister's I would like to report another flying RV-10. After 8 years, 1 month, and 1 day of construction, on 11/27/2011 at 9:07 a.m., N919AR took to the air over eastern NC (EWN). The flight was a half hour of smooth, non eventful test flying. The cowling was removed and engine inspected - no significant issues - cowling is on - now waiting for good weather to repeat! Can't say enough how much the list, and all those with their dedicated websites helped me build a wonderful airplane. Thanks. And no kidding, when I got home from the flight I sent money to Matt, don't forget that! You have got to hand it to those builders that built before the internet and didn't have matched holes, etc. etc.. I probably would have taken 16 years without the internet help. Everyone still building, (I couldn't wait to finally get to say that) should press on, it is sooooo worth it. Read that new article in Sport Aviation, it's all true! See the video of my flight if you like at: <http://www.youtube.com/user/73toaster#p/a/u/0/ISlitLMaRWk> -Chris Lucas N919AR #40072 "Flying" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Electrical connectors on stall warning system
Date: Nov 29, 2011
I used the following from Stein. Did everything I needed for both wire and coax. I used a Radio Shack crimper for the D-sub pins...but Stein has better... I would recommend that you give Stein a call and have him help you put together a wiring kit with the right tools and adequate wire (size and color) for what you are planning on doing yourself. It may seem a little pricy when you buy it all at one time..but you will need it and..you will have shipping cost in the future. http://www.steinair.net/store.cfm?tlcatid=28 SAT-001, SAT-030, SAT-031 Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy & Tami Britton Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:46 AM Subject: RV10-List: Electrical connectors on stall warning system Hello again to everyone. I'm installing the stall warning system in my wing and need to connect the wires to it. Do I need a special crimper to crimp the ends to the wire or will a standard electrical crimper do the job. The fitting is an ES DV18-188M. I know I'll need a crimper down the road for various items. Is there one crimper that will do the job for the whole plane or is more than one type crimper necessary??? Which one do I need? Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Electrical connectors on stall warning system
I'd 2nd that. I ended up doing my own panel and not using Stein for the panel, but he's the best place to go for advice and the right stuff... and by 'right stuff' I mean the stuff appropriate for our level of involvement. Re crimpers and the link below - you'll probably find the SAT-001 and the SAT-030 die right for the stall warning job and 80% of the rest of your electrical work. The 'standard' crimpers commonly found in auto stores and such are less than what you want. Yep, talking to Stein is a good thing. Getting a panel from him is good too. Bill On 11/29/2011 10:11 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > > I used the following from Stein. Did everything I needed for both > wire and coax. I used a Radio Shack crimper for the D-sub > pins.....but Stein has better..... > > I would recommend that you give Stein a call and have him help you put > together a wiring kit with the right tools and adequate wire (size and > color) for what you are planning on doing yourself. It may seem a > little pricy when you buy it all at one time....but you will need it > and....you will have shipping cost in the future. > > http://www.steinair.net/store.cfm?tlcatid=28 > > SAT-001, SAT-030, SAT-031 > > Rene' Felker > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Billy & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Attaching wire to airframe
Date: Nov 29, 2011
How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run through conduit? Thanks in advance, Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Date: Nov 29, 2011
For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an idea on how much material you needed. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question Just as a thought, I painted my own plane. It's short term, but I did it for a few reasons. no worries about exposed aluminum and fiberglass when flying. Priming absorbs and actually is worse than nothing at all and lastly I knew if I opted for a 8K paint job I would be upset during the fly off. My point! no regrets with the scratches all over the plane from the cowling, seems things shifted in flight and I need to make some fiberglass fixes and I expect I will continue to do so for another few months, dont spend all that money on a new paint job until after all the fly off has been done, once all fixes and cosmetic adjustments are made than get it painted right. I know Tim did it himself and it looks great, mine works for what I intended, protect the plane from the weather. So I'm with you Wayne "mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family." in other words please dont point out that spot I missed at the next flyin ;-) I plan to repaint my plane in the future. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: rv10flyer Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a hangared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Attaching wire to airframe
My approach was to avoid conduit whenever possible. Tried to follow standard wiring practices as I understood them from the standards book (forget the name). The short answer is cushioned Adel clamps, those hard plastic snap grommets, and a couple of other tie wrap-based gadgets. I also found that waxed nylon string sold for wiring work to be my best friend. A good starting point is Van's electrical kit, or at least the plans for it. It shows how to run fat and thin wires from the battery compartment forward, through the fire wall, along the engine, etc. There are a few bits of hardware in the kit that can come in handly but most of it is clamps and snap grommets. I don't recommend the kit unless you plan to do exactly what they did. I certainly didn't, but the plans show RV10 specific wiring solutions that you can use along with some hardware suggestions. Re conduit, the only conduit I used was an empty pair under the cabin floor to be used for any wiring I couldn't foresee before closing it up, and a run in one wing so I could close it up before running the final wires for some wing tip stuff. But otherwise, I avoided conduit and feel good about it, though conduit works well too. The best source of specific techniques is the Aeroelectric list but I'm sure you know about it. Bill W On 11/29/2011 12:24 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: > How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run > through conduit? > Thanks in advance, > Bill > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Paint Question
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2011
> How much they need or how much they used? :^). If I was painting I certainly use more than needed, but since I'm dangerous with a sprayer, I'm letting somebody else have that opportunity. All joking aside, getting quantities used would be a useful benchmark. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Attaching wire to airframe
I bought stick-on bases for ty-raps from Stein. As long as there's no great stress, they'll stay stuck on. Linn On 11/29/2011 12:24 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: > How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run > through conduit? > Thanks in advance, > Bill > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Paint Question
I'm there now so this question is just in time. I think a lot will depend o n product used, colors, along with the painters ability. I just ordered (2) one gallon kits of DTM epoxy primer which should be enough for the whole p lane, and 1 gallon of single stage two part urethane top coat in white to g et started along with a color chart to determine my colors. I'll do the fly ing surfaces first and see how far that gallon of top coat goes, along with determining if I want to go with a clear coat or not. I am building on a t ight budget so I can't afford Jet Glo, PPG, Imron, or any of the other high $$ dollar $$ finishes and yes I know,,,,ya' get what you pay for. David Clifford RV-10 Builder Howell, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:52:25 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question ausen.net> For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an id ea on how much material you needed. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question Just as a thought, I painted my own plane. It's short term, but I did it fo r a few reasons. no worries about exposed aluminum and fiberglass when flyi ng. Priming absorbs and actually is worse than nothing at all and lastly I knew if I opted for a 8K paint job I would be upset during the fly off. My point! no regrets with the scratches all over the plane from the cowling , seems things shifted in flight and I need to make some fiberglass fixes a nd I expect I will continue to do so for another few months, don=99t spend all that money on a new paint job until after all the fly off has bee n done, once all fixes and cosmetic adjustments are made than get it painte d right. I know Tim did it himself and it looks great, mine works for what I intende d, protect the plane from the weather. So I'm with you Wayne "mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family." in other words please don=99t point out that spot I missed at the next flyin ;-) I plan to repaint my plane in the future. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: rv10flyer Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but th ink I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a h angared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First fli ght. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357 =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: Phil N <philn(at)toosan.com>
Subject: Re: Attaching wire to airframe
Not sure exactly where you mean but if you mean across flat surfaces: I bought T&B 1" square self-adhesive wire tie mounts. I carefully peeled off the double-sided foam tape, sanded the back with 80 grit emery paper on a flat surface to roughen it up, then attached where I needed it with Goop adhesive. Similar mounts: http://www.amazon.com/Startech-HC102-Adhesive-Cable-Mounts/dp/B00008VFBE On 11/29/2011 12:24 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run through conduit? Thanks in advance, Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Attaching wire to airframe
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Klik bond fasteners can be epoxied in place. Good anchor. Spruce, or distributed out of Carson City NV I believe. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching wire to airframe I bought stick-on bases for ty-raps from Stein. As long as there's no great stress, they'll stay stuck on. Linn On 11/29/2011 12:24 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run through conduit? Thanks in advance, Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Date: Nov 29, 2011
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From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Michael if I remember correctly I used around 3-4 gallons of white base coat 2 gallons of blue base coat and 1 qt per other Trim base colors. I also put 2 coats of primer sealer prior, that was almost white. I then applied 3 coats clear which was around 3 gallons as well and had some left over of all. Not much however This will get you in the ball park Geoff Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:52 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question --> For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an idea on how much material you needed. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question Just as a thought, I painted my own plane. It's short term, but I did it for a few reasons. no worries about exposed aluminum and fiberglass when flying. Priming absorbs and actually is worse than nothing at all and lastly I knew if I opted for a 8K paint job I would be upset during the fly off. My point! no regrets with the scratches all over the plane from the cowling, seems things shifted in flight and I need to make some fiberglass fixes and I expect I will continue to do so for another few months, don't spend all that money on a new paint job until after all the fly off has been done, once all fixes and cosmetic adjustments are made than get it painted right. I know Tim did it himself and it looks great, mine works for what I intended, protect the plane from the weather. So I'm with you Wayne "mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family." in other words please don't point out that spot I missed at the next flyin ;-) I plan to repaint my plane in the future. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: rv10flyer Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a hangared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine order blues
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2011
I just heard from Van's that Lycoming raised their prices. According to Van's, there were a handful of slots available at the old rate that were immediately snatched up. (I missed that memo). At the risk of being cheeky, if anyone jumped in only to have remorse or second thoughts, I would be happy to negotiate taking over the obligation. Happy holidays and happy building to all. Myron 602 421-1868 -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359745#359745 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Subject: Re: Engine order blues
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
It's worth placing a call into Aerosport. A lot of times they have inventory engines that are pre-price increase. That's what I did. While I agree engines are really expensive, my decision to buy when I did is looking better. I saved about $4,500 compared to the current new price. Phil On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > I just heard from Van's that Lycoming raised their prices. According to > Van's, there were a handful of slots available at the old rate that were > immediately snatched up. (I missed that memo). > > At the risk of being cheeky, if anyone jumped in only to have remorse or > second thoughts, I would be happy to negotiate taking over the obligation. > > Happy holidays and happy building to all. > > Myron > 602 421-1868 > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, > finishing kit in progress. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359745#359745 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Attaching wire to airframe
Date: Nov 29, 2011
I've been doing the same thing. While not flying yet, I have had many on for years now in temps from below 0F and over 100F and have yet to have on e come loose. In the states you can find it under a number of brand names; "Amazing Goop", "E6000", Shoe Goo", etc. Some of them have "different" ve rsions for plumbing, carpentry, etc but I have yet to find a difference in the actual formulation. They are all referred to as an all purpose contact adhesive and sealant. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil N Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:06 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching wire to airframe Not sure exactly where you mean but if you mean across flat surfaces: I bou ght T&B 1" square self-adhesive wire tie mounts. I carefully peeled off the double-sided foam tape, sanded the back with 80 grit emery paper on a flat surface to roughen it up, then attached where I needed it with Goop adhesi ve. Similar mounts: http://www.amazon.com/Startech-HC102-Adhesive-Cable-Mounts/dp/B00008VFBE On 11/29/2011 12:24 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run throu gh conduit? Thanks in advance, Bill rsbooks.com> m> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Engine order blues
Date: Nov 29, 2011
I bought my certified engine through Vans at the 2004 price of $38900 in anticipation of the 2005 increase. Lycoming had to cover the crankshaft AD on other IO540s so the Van's 2005 price was $44600? The current Vans price for the certified version is $47705 or $45800 for the experimental version. The price increase from 2005 - 2012 (8 years) has been a total of $3105 or about $400 per year or about 1% a year. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Engine order blues I just heard from Van's that Lycoming raised their prices. According to Van's, there were a handful of slots available at the old rate that were immediately snatched up. (I missed that memo). At the risk of being cheeky, if anyone jumped in only to have remorse or second thoughts, I would be happy to negotiate taking over the obligation. Happy holidays and happy building to all. Myron 602 421-1868 -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359745#359745 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Billy & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale
Date: Nov 29, 2011
I have decided to go with LED's in my RV-10 so I've decided to sell the Whelen setup that came with the kit when I bought it. I believe it is what they called a "System 6". However, I stand corrected if I'm wrong. It consists of a Model HDACF Power Supply, Model A500A-V-14 tail strobe, Model A650-PR-14V red position light and a Model A650-PG-14V green position light. Also has the Whelen 60' 3-wire shielded wire kit with connectors to connect the lights to the power supply. I have everything that came with the original setup. None of it has ever been used, in fact it's only been out of the boxes a couple times. Selling as new. All parts are marked "9/03" so I assume they were assembled/manufactured in September '03. Pricing is questionable. Checking Spruce, pricing is as follows: Whelen HD60 Installation Package---$77.50 Whelen A650PG14 Tip Strobe---$218.95 Whelen A650PR14 Tip Strobe---$219.95 Whelen A500AV14 Tail Pos. Strobe---$158.95 Whelen HDACF 14/28V $393.95 Adding all of these up comes to a total of $1069.30. Considering age, I think 75% of new should be fair to start. Therefore, I'd like $800 even and I'll ship priority mail to the 48 states insured for $800. Shipping outside of the 48 states will be actual shipping. Pictures are available upon request. Just drop me an e-mail at william(at)gbta.net or text me at 6205464942. Thanks, Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Date: Nov 29, 2011
I used PPG base coat clear coat. 1.5 gal primer 1.25 gal silver 3/4 gal red 1 pint blue 2.5 gal clear Enough reducer to go with the above materials. One coat primer (but the fiberglass top and doors had smooth prime and an earlier coat of primer that was wet sanded before the fuselage prime). Two coats color and two coats clear. Carl On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:38 PM, "Geoff Combs" wrote: > > Michael if I remember correctly I used around 3-4 gallons of white base coat > 2 gallons of blue base coat and 1 qt per other > Trim base colors. I also put 2 coats of primer sealer prior, that was almost > white. I then applied 3 coats clear which was around > 3 gallons as well and had some left over of all. Not much however > This will get you in the ball park > > Geoff > > > Geoff Combs > Aerosport Modeling & Design > 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway > Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 > 614-834-5227p > 614-834-5230f > www.aerosportmodeling.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder > (Michael Sausen) > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:52 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question > > --> > > For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an > idea on how much material you needed. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:57 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question > > > Just as a thought, I painted my own plane. It's short term, but I did it for > a few reasons. no worries about exposed aluminum and fiberglass when flying. > > Priming absorbs and actually is worse than nothing at all and lastly I knew > if I opted for a 8K paint job I would be upset during the fly off. > My point! no regrets with the scratches all over the plane from the cowling, > seems things shifted in flight and I need to make some fiberglass fixes and > I expect I will continue to do so for another few months, don't spend all > that money on a new paint job until after all the fly off has been done, > once all fixes and cosmetic adjustments are made than get it painted right. > I know Tim did it himself and it looks great, mine works for what I > intended, protect the plane from the weather. So I'm with you Wayne "mine is > not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the > family." in other words please don't point out that spot I missed at the > next flyin ;-) I plan to repaint my plane in the future. > Pascal > > -----Original Message----- > From: rv10flyer > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question > > > I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but > think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a > hangared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of > course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip > for the family. > > -------- > Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First > flight. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Hey Bill, If I remember correctly, there is a first start up procedure for the power supply after it=99s been sitting for awhile to keep from blowing the capacitors in initial surge. I think I wired a light bulb in series as resistance and had no problems. It is in the Whelen instructions somewhere and should be passed on to the buyer. Later, =93 Lew ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Paint Question
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Hey Michael, I did all the prep work, all the fiberglass work, and painted Wes's -10 for $4 K labor with him supplying all the material ... I won't be doing it that cheaply again! I used acrylic enamel with WetLook hardner. I think it was between 4/5 gallons white (base color), 1 qt. blue (tips/stripes) and 1 pt. red (stripes). I was amazed at how much it took -- never painted a plane before, cars usually take about 1 gal. color, 1 gal. clear for urethane base/clear. I always do three light coats -- nice slick without runs or orange peel. Lots of 2K epoxy primer -- at least 2 coats on fiberglass with sanding in between for pin holes, etc. I did not do the acid wash/alodine. Instead I scuffed all aluminum, light coat of self etch primer followed within 20 min. with the 2K primer, sand smooth, paint. Obviously, each to their own -- I think it is a wise comment to go with whatever the painter is familiar with, and what works with aluminum. No cracks around windows, no chips or peels (except as I noted on a previous post about not redoing the factory primer on the steps) in almost two years. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359767#359767 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Billy & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Thanks for the heads-up. I had no idea. Bill From: lewgall(at)charter.net Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale Hey Bill, If I remember correctly, there is a first start up procedure for the power supply after it=99s been sitting for awhile to keep from blowing the capacitors in initial surge. I think I wired a light bulb in series as resistance and had no problems. It is in the Whelen instructions somewhere and should be passed on to the buyer. Later, =93 Lew ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Question
I would estimate about 3.5 gals (imron elite single stage) to cover the entire thing. So many variables depending on color scheme, etc. I put a lot of my painting experience in my Kitlog: http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5986 <http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5986> A couple of random thoughts: - consider PreKote instead of etching or alodining - easy, non-toxic, presumably effective - pick your prime as you pick you top coat to ensure total compatibility. Shooting your prime and topcoat within 12-24-48 hours (see data sheets) can give you that strong chemical bond and eliminate the need to sand between those coats - Temperature is a big deal - winter is upon us, spring beckons - Read the data sheets carefully - the manufacturer is trying to guide you to success, but with one caveat... VOC regs seem to limit what can be done, particularly in terms of thinnning. I had some success thinning the paints more than specified (i.e. thinning up to 15% instead of zero thinning). An HVLP gun with better atomization may have given me even more success but I don't really know at this point. - You need a respirator... talk to some old timers in the business and you'll quickly learn why. - A masking dispenser is indispensible On 11/29/2011 12:52 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" > > For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an idea on how much material you needed. > > Michael > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Engine order blues
Hmmm, until recently the experimental version was under $41K. That is a whopping jump of $4K in one year or 10 percent for experimental. I guess that will make used and rebuilt a bit more attractive. Seems like a huge markup for an engine that has been in production for 45 years or so with very few changes. On 11/29/2011 2:33 PM, DLM wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM" > > I bought my certified engine through Vans at the 2004 price of $38900 in > anticipation of the 2005 increase. Lycoming had to cover the crankshaft AD > on other IO540s so the Van's 2005 price was $44600? The current Vans price > for the certified version is $47705 or $45800 for the experimental version. > The price increase from 2005 - 2012 (8 years) has been a total of $3105 or > about $400 per year or about 1% a year. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: N919AR First Flight
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Thanks to everyone for all the compliments. I helped do everything there is to do regarding prepping the plane for paint - scheme design , scuff. alodine, fill, sand, block, scuff, tape, stripe layout, etc, etc, except (due to past disasters) I made sure to never actually handle the gun, so a plug goes to Henry Miller at Riviera Customs & Restorations here in New Bern, NC. for the masterful paint work. . Thanks Chris From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:59 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: N919AR First Flight Well done Chris! looks like you had a great time, have even more fun during the phase 1. The video was excellent, great idea having the on-board cam. I concur with the fantastic paint job as well. Congrats, Marcus 40286 535 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Engine order blues
Date: Nov 29, 2011
The IO540 D4A5 has to carry the load for all those other engines with company funded/subsidized ADs -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine order blues Hmmm, until recently the experimental version was under $41K. That is a whopping jump of $4K in one year or 10 percent for experimental. I guess that will make used and rebuilt a bit more attractive. Seems like a huge markup for an engine that has been in production for 45 years or so with very few changes. On 11/29/2011 2:33 PM, DLM wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM" > > I bought my certified engine through Vans at the 2004 price of $38900 in > anticipation of the 2005 increase. Lycoming had to cover the crankshaft AD > on other IO540s so the Van's 2005 price was $44600? The current Vans price > for the certified version is $47705 or $45800 for the experimental version. > The price increase from 2005 - 2012 (8 years) has been a total of $3105 or > about $400 per year or about 1% a year. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: N919AR First Flight
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Good to hear you are back at it Jack, If I had such a nice Pietenpol I would find it hard to build another plane. -Chris From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:14 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: N919AR First Flight Way to go, Chris! Wish I could say I'm close behind you, but at least I'm back to work on mine now. Jack Phillips #40610 Raleigh, NC Still on the Wings _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:24 PM Subject: RV10-List: N919AR First Flight Well Lister's I would like to report another flying RV-10. After 8 years, 1 month, and 1 day of construction, on 11/27/2011 at 9:07 a.m., N919AR took to the air over eastern NC (EWN). The flight was a half hour of smooth, non eventful test flying. The cowling was removed and engine inspected - no significant issues - cowling is on - now waiting for good weather to repeat! Can't say enough how much the list, and all those with their dedicated websites helped me build a wonderful airplane. Thanks. And no kidding, when I got home from the flight I sent money to Matt, don't forget that! You have got to hand it to those builders that built before the internet and didn't have matched holes, etc. etc.. I probably would have taken 16 years without the internet help. Everyone still building, (I couldn't wait to finally get to say that) should press on, it is sooooo worth it. Read that new article in Sport Aviation, it's all true! See the video of my flight if you like at: <http://www.youtube.com/user/73toaster#p/a/u/0/ISlitLMaRWk> -Chris Lucas N919AR #40072 "Flying" www.buildersbooks.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Engine order blues
Sounds like a good reason to buy a used C4B5. On 11/29/2011 6:49 PM, DLM wrote: > > The IO540 D4A5 has to carry the load for all those other engines with > company funded/subsidized ADs > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Subject: Re: Engine order blues
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
That's correct. This specific jump from the previous price was an even $3,500. I think they had a smaller one in the early summer, so I'll bet it's slightly over the $4K that you noticed. Got ours hung last week. http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384720_2448633629128_1650597149_2485999_919415608_n.jpg Phil On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Hmmm, until recently the experimental version was under $41K. That is a > whopping jump of $4K in one year or 10 percent for experimental. I guess > that will make used and rebuilt a bit more attractive. Seems like a huge > markup for an engine that has been in production for 45 years or so with > very few changes. > > On 11/29/2011 2:33 PM, DLM wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM" >> >> I bought my certified engine through Vans at the 2004 price of $38900 in >> anticipation of the 2005 increase. Lycoming had to cover the crankshaft AD >> on other IO540s so the Van's 2005 price was $44600? The current Vans price >> for the certified version is $47705 or $45800 for the experimental >> version. >> The price increase from 2005 - 2012 (8 years) has been a total of $3105 or >> about $400 per year or about 1% a year. >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tony Woods <twoods(at)sesa.af>
Subject: Re: Engine order blues
Date: Nov 30, 2011
The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys. Anything i mported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more... Tony Woods Sent from my phone On Nov 30, 2011, at 6:38, Phillip Perry wrote: > That's correct. This specific jump from the previous price was an even $3 ,500. I think they had a smaller one in the early summer, so I'll bet it's slightly over the $4K that you noticed. > > Got ours hung last week. > > http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384720_2448633629128_165059 7149_2485999_919415608_n.jpg > > > Phil > > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Kelly McMullen wrot e: > > Hmmm, until recently the experimental version was under $41K. That is a wh opping jump of $4K in one year or 10 percent for experimental. I guess that w ill make used and rebuilt a bit more attractive. Seems like a huge markup fo r an engine that has been in production for 45 years or so with very few cha nges. > > On 11/29/2011 2:33 PM, DLM wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM" > > I bought my certified engine through Vans at the 2004 price of $38900 in > anticipation of the 2005 increase. Lycoming had to cover the crankshaft AD > on other IO540s so the Van's 2005 price was $44600? The current Vans price > for the certified version is $47705 or $45800 for the experimental version . > The price increase from 2005 - 2012 (8 years) has been a total of $3105 or > about $400 per year or about 1% a year. > > > > ========================= > om" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com > ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > le, List Admin. > ========================= > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========================= > http://forums.matronics.com > ========================= > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========================= > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Subject: Re: Engine order blues
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
.... and greed because there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit stages that will mostly be buying new D4A5's. The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12 months. Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed. I did hear rumors at OSH last year that ECI was very close to having their clone D4A5 ready for market. They see the the same 1000+ kits out there for the D4A5. Having ECI in the game would be the best thing that could happen to those thousand-plus buyers. Phil On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tony Woods wrote: > The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys. Anything > imported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more... > Tony Woods > > Sent from my phone > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Engine order blues
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Actually it is because of little or no competition resulting from a government that "certifies" (controls, specifies, approves) everything aviation except some experimental. The bureaucrats cost money and we have them in spades. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:17 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine order blues .... and greed because there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit stages that will mostly be buying new D4A5's. The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12 months. Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed. I did hear rumors at OSH last year that ECI was very close to having their clone D4A5 ready for market. They see the the same 1000+ kits out there for the D4A5. Having ECI in the game would be the best thing that could happen to those thousand-plus buyers. Phil On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tony Woods wrote: The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys. Anything imported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more... Tony Woods Sent from my phone ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Engine order blues
If you were talking a certified engine, relatively new design, I could buy that argument. But for an engine that was designed, certified and produced 45 years ago, the only on-going FAA involvement is in the parts manufacturing quality control. In the case of the experimental version even that cost goes away. Lycoming can build the experimental with the reject parts from the certified versions if they chose to. Or they can just take advantage of cost savings from additional volume in parts production. The design and certification costs were paid for in the first 5 years of Comanche and Aztec production, not to mention the Cherokee 235. All the same parts. Lycoming actually produces very few if any parts in the engine, and hasn't for the last 20 years. They sold all the tooling, dies, machine equipment and subcontracted for all the parts. Only their type certificate and assembly work was retained. I hear they are thinking about returning to some in house production. On 11/29/2011 9:16 PM, DLM wrote: > > Actually it is because of little or no competition resulting from a > government that certifies (controls, specifies, approves) everything > aviation except some experimental. The bureaucrats cost money and we > have them in spades. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Phillip Perry > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:17 PM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine order blues > > .... and greed because there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit > stages that will mostly be buying new D4A5's. > > The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12 > months. Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011. > http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency > > We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed. > I did hear rumors at OSH last year that ECI was very close to having > their clone D4A5 ready for market. They see the the same 1000+ kits > out there for the D4A5. Having ECI in the game would be the best thing > that could happen to those thousand-plus buyers. > > Phil > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tony Woods > wrote: > > The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys. > Anything imported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more... > > Tony Woods > > Sent from my phone > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > *www.buildersbooks.com* > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Engine order blues government bureaucracy causes price
increase!
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Yah=2C I hear there are some good new lycomings for sale in Somalia and the y are really cheap. I think it is because there is no government to stop th e pirates who stole the engines off a freighter bound for Indonesia. I can send an inquiry to these people if you are interested=2C but they onl y accept cash in person. I think it is a good deal and should be safe. From: dlm34077(at)q.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine order blues Date: Tue=2C 29 Nov 2011 21:16:54 -0700 Actually it is because of little or no competition resulting from a government that =93certifies=94 (controls=2C specifies=2C approves) everything aviation except some experimental. The bureaucrats cost money and we have them in spades. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Tuesday=2C November 29=2C 2011 8:17 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine order blues .... and greed because there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit stages that will mostly be buying new D4A5's. The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12 months. Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed. I did hear rumors at OSH last year that ECI was very close to having their clone D4A5 ready for market. They see the the same 1000+ kits out there for the D4A5. Having ECI in the game would be the best thing that could happen to those thousand-plus buyers. Phil On Tue=2C Nov 29=2C 2011 at 8:53 PM=2C Tony Woods wrote: The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys. Anything imported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more... Tony Woods Sent from my phone www.buildersbooks.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://f orums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my birthday again, 48 of them, in fact! But it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same. Below are a few more of the nice comments from Listers I've received this year. Please read them over and see if you don't agree. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you to all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ==================== A Few More List Member Comments ===================== I never would have ended up with the great flying airplane I have without the help of people on the Pietenpol list. Thanks for giving us the medium to communicate our questions, tips and suggestions. Matt P. Thanks for the hard work and maintaining the site commercial free. Good luck for the future and this site has been a source of great friendship. Peter B. It is a great resource. Jim G. Thanks so much for your continuing support of the homebuilt community. Gerald A. You are doing an outstanding job running the list's. Keep it going. Bill V. Thanks for keeping this valuable information source going. Best of all the forums. George A. Another Great year on the RV-List! Thomas E. Still the best source of information (& opinion) for builders on a wide range of issues. Martin H. Matt, thanks for hosting and maintaining the lists! Rumen D. It is a great resource. Bryan R. Thanks for your continuing interest in Van's RV8 kitplanes. Peter C. I'm no longer building or flying but like to keep in touch with the current generation of builders. Best wishes to a great list system. Gerry C. A great list that is most useful for builders. Graham H. Thanks for this wonderful tool! Ralph C. Thanks for a great service to the experimental aviation community. Douglas D. Great topics and loads of useful info keep the subject matter relevant. George H. Thanks for keeping this going. Richard R. Great facility and well managed. Victor F. Thanks for a great service. John D. Thank you for you time and efforts they have made Aviation a better place for everyone. Jim W. I still enjoy getting the list in the morning. Don M. You provide a great resource. David M. You have probably saved a few necks over the years. Robert F. Thank you for being there. Benjamin B. You perform a great service. Bruce M. Thank you for providing this invaluable resource. William D. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Engine order blues government bureaucracy causes price
increase!
Date: Nov 30, 2011
I would not be interested in the Somali engines as I already purchased mine back when the dollar was worth more. Perhaps the bureaucrats in the PRC could help builders with the alternative engine to be supplied by the Canadian company who collected funds and never delivered. Or perhaps the US company who sold an alternative with "special" parts that has left that business to supply another alternative. Pray for the orphans of OSH. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:42 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine order blues government bureaucracy causes price increase! Yah, I hear there are some good new lycomings for sale in Somalia and they are really cheap. I think it is because there is no government to stop the pirates who stole the engines off a freighter bound for Indonesia. I can send an inquiry to these people if you are interested, but they only accept cash in person. I think it is a good deal and should be safe. _____ From: dlm34077(at)q.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine order blues Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:16:54 -0700 Actually it is because of little or no competition resulting from a government that "certifies" (controls, specifies, approves) everything aviation except some experimental. The bureaucrats cost money and we have them in spades. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:17 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine order blues .... and greed because there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit stages that will mostly be buying new D4A5's. The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12 months. Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed. I did hear rumors at OSH last year that ECI was very close to having their clone D4A5 ready for market. They see the the same 1000+ kits out there for the D4A5. Having ECI in the game would be the best thing that could happen to those thousand-plus buyers. Phil On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tony Woods wrote: The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys. Anything imported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more... Tony Woods Sent from my phone www.buildersbooks.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution et="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com rget="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List lank">http://forums.matronics.com rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Billy & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale
Date: Nov 30, 2011
I have interest in the tail strobe and power supply. Anyone interested in the position lights or wiring kit? Bill From: Billy & Tami Britton Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale I have decided to go with LED's in my RV-10 so I've decided to sell the Whelen setup that came with the kit when I bought it. I believe it is what they called a "System 6". However, I stand corrected if I'm wrong. It consists of a Model HDACF Power Supply, Model A500A-V-14 tail strobe, Model A650-PR-14V red position light and a Model A650-PG-14V green position light. Also has the Whelen 60' 3-wire shielded wire kit with connectors to connect the lights to the power supply. I have everything that came with the original setup. None of it has ever been used, in fact it's only been out of the boxes a couple times. Selling as new. All parts are marked "9/03" so I assume they were assembled/manufactured in September '03. Pricing is questionable. Checking Spruce, pricing is as follows: Whelen HD60 Installation Package---$77.50 Whelen A650PG14 Tip Strobe---$218.95 Whelen A650PR14 Tip Strobe---$219.95 Whelen A500AV14 Tail Pos. Strobe---$158.95 Whelen HDACF 14/28V $393.95 Adding all of these up comes to a total of $1069.30. Considering age, I think 75% of new should be fair to start. Therefore, I'd like $800 even and I'll ship priority mail to the 48 states insured for $800. Shipping outside of the 48 states will be actual shipping. Pictures are available upon request. Just drop me an e-mail at william(at)gbta.net or text me at 6205464942. Thanks, Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Bill, that may be a tough split, as mechanically the tail strobe and tail nav light are one unit. Also the one power supply powers both the tail and the wingtip strobes. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359916#359916 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Billy & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Yeah, we'll see how it works out. I've got one guy that wants the power supply and another that wants the tail strobe. I won't get rid of any of it until all parts (with the exception of the wiring kit) are spoken for though. Thanks for the insight, Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale > > Bill, that may be a tough split, as mechanically the tail strobe and tail > nav light are one unit. Also the one power supply powers both the tail and > the wingtip strobes. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359916#359916 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca>
Subject: Electrical schematic
Hi all - Does anyone have an electronic copy of Vans wiring kit or schematic?- I'm not sure if it's copyrighted, or ?? - I'm starting to plan my electrical system as my wings are almost complete a nd someone mentioned Vans drawing was a good starting point. - Thx in advance - Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit. Haven't had any response to my last 2 calls/emails. Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long? Thanks Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Electrical schematic
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
I sent a copy (pdf) to larkRV10(at)yahoo.ca -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359938#359938 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Electrical schematic
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
I thought there was a copy of it in the front of the builders manual... Iva n check tonight, but I'm sure someone will beat me to it... Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Rick Lark wrote: > Hi all > > Does anyone have an electronic copy of Vans wiring kit or schematic? I'm n ot sure if it's copyrighted, or ?? > > I'm starting to plan my electrical system as my wings are almost complete a nd someone mentioned Vans drawing was a good starting point. > > Thx in advance > > Rick > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Electrical schematic
Attached. Linn On 11/30/2011 3:19 PM, Rick Lark wrote: > Hi all > Does anyone have an electronic copy of Vans wiring kit or schematic? > I'm not sure if it's copyrighted, or ?? > I'm starting to plan my electrical system as my wings are almost > complete and someone mentioned Vans drawing was a good starting point. > Thx in advance > Rick > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade back in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that "they are trying to get the latest software into all units prior to shipment." He gave me the option for them to ship it now, but if they did, "I would have to return it before it will support an future software upgrades, new features, etc." I opted to wait. William ----------- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > > I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit. Haven't had > any response to my last 2 calls/emails. > > Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long? > > Thanks > Bill > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Bowman" <davidbowman1(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
Date: Nov 30, 2011
I received mine after about 3 mos. Just hold on. Dave Bowman -----Original Message----- From: Bill Watson Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit. Haven't had any response to my last 2 calls/emails. Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long? Thanks Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
Is it my imagination or are most of the speeds and feeds stated in the article BS. Flap extension speed = 115 knots 22" & 2300 producing 160 to 165 knots indicated, true even higher Target speed on final = 98 knots Seems like an old school factory ride where none of the numbers can be believed. Or is just as simple as scrambling mph and knots (which again, is how old school reviews were done). Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Hanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
Date: Nov 30, 2011
According to Bill Moffit, one of the planned software upgrades is to give GPS output. I want to use this to drive my ELT. Hopefully, it will come with this software upgrade. Given that we already have to enter a number of software commands into the ADS-600B for setup and ID purposes, I don't understand why Navworx doesn't make the software available for online downloading as opposed to requiring the unit to be sent back in. Tom H. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade back in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that "they are trying to get the latest software into all units prior to shipment." He gave me the option for them to ship it now, but if they did, "I would have to return it before it will support an future software upgrades, new features, etc." I opted to wait. William ----------- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Bill Watson wrote: I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit. Haven't had any response to my last 2 calls/emails. Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long? Thanks Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
I just got an email with the same answer. No ETA but something. Thanks Bill On 11/30/2011 4:56 PM, William Curtis wrote: > I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade > back in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that > "they are trying to get the latest software into all units prior to > shipment." He gave me the option for them to ship it now, but if they > did, "I would have to return it before it will support an future > software upgrades, new features, etc." I opted to wait. > William > ----------- > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Bill Watson > wrote: > > > > > I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit. > Haven't had any response to my last 2 calls/emails. > > Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long? > > Thanks > Bill > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
Date: Nov 30, 2011
First off I believe the demo plane(s) are MPH so believe everything as MPH, those flying and have done the transition training in Tx, know that Alex teaches the Vans way 90-95 MPH on final. I floated at that speed, at 98 knots I call that a "fly-by". As far as flaps I believe the flap speed is 100knots per Alex so that would be 115 MPH. Yes, I thought it was a great marketing article. I can tell you that at 5500 MSl 22/2300 I saw 159 TAS/ 140 indicated or 161 MPH. So I conclude it is MPH not Knots. That would be about right in that case. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: Bill Watson Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation Is it my imagination or are most of the speeds and feeds stated in the article BS. Flap extension speed = 115 knots 22" & 2300 producing 160 to 165 knots indicated, true even higher Target speed on final = 98 knots Seems like an old school factory ride where none of the numbers can be believed. Or is just as simple as scrambling mph and knots (which again, is how old school reviews were done). Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
Date: Nov 30, 2011
I noticed the numbers being all over the place too, very odd. With Mike Seager I was taught 85-90 mph from initial to base and to final. I usually preferred the 85 mph on relatively calm day, stay at 9o mph if windy. We used 100 mph for Vfe. At 23" and 2400 I think we would see about 165 Mph IAS. -Chris N919AR -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:41 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation First off I believe the demo plane(s) are MPH so believe everything as MPH, those flying and have done the transition training in Tx, know that Alex teaches the Vans way 90-95 MPH on final. I floated at that speed, at 98 knots I call that a "fly-by". As far as flaps I believe the flap speed is 100knots per Alex so that would be 115 MPH. Yes, I thought it was a great marketing article. I can tell you that at 5500 MSl 22/2300 I saw 159 TAS/ 140 indicated or 161 MPH. So I conclude it is MPH not Knots. That would be about right in that case. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: Bill Watson Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation Is it my imagination or are most of the speeds and feeds stated in the article BS. Flap extension speed = 115 knots 22" & 2300 producing 160 to 165 knots indicated, true even higher Target speed on final = 98 knots Seems like an old school factory ride where none of the numbers can be believed. Or is just as simple as scrambling mph and knots (which again, is how old school reviews were done). Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
Yes, it looks like a lot of confusion over mph and knots, though the confusion isn't even consistent. So much of what we do is about precision. One of the reasons so many of us are here with the RV line is the refreshing veracity of Van's performance quotes. I'm sure they're not looking for marketing hype of this kind. Budd, gush if you like, but leave the numbers alone unless you make the effort to get them right! Bill "entertained but not enlightened... think I'll just go fly tomorrow" Watson On 11/30/2011 6:41 PM, Pascal wrote: > > First off I believe the demo plane(s) are MPH so believe everything as > MPH, those flying and have done the transition training in Tx, know > that Alex teaches the Vans way 90-95 MPH on final. I floated at that > speed, at 98 knots I call that a "fly-by". As far as flaps I believe > the flap speed is 100knots per Alex so that would be 115 MPH. > > Yes, I thought it was a great marketing article. I can tell you that > at 5500 MSl 22/2300 I saw 159 TAS/ 140 indicated or 161 MPH. > > So I conclude it is MPH not Knots. That would be about right in that > case. > > Pascal > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
I too assumed the numbers must be MPH. Also, the "flap speed" mentioned is only for the first two notches. Vans recommends something slower (87 KIAS as I recall) for full flaps. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359950#359950 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
"One of the reasons so many of us are here with the RV line is the refreshing veracity of Van's performance quotes." Amen. I think that's why the grins are so large. I still can't get over the fact that something I put together came in at book weight, and makes book speeds. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359954#359954 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Wow. 1.3 Vso if you believe Van's advertised numbers is 82mph at gross wt of 2700. I could see 85mph on final decreasing to 80 over the fence. Most folks are going to make the majority of their landings at least 100-200lbs below gross, which would indicate even lower numbers. Of course if less flaps are used, speeds would have to go up. I'd have to believe that Van's landing distance numbers are achieved with lower speeds. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Pascal wrote: > > First off I believe the demo plane(s) are MPH so believe everything as > MPH, those flying and have done the transition training in Tx, know that > Alex teaches the Vans way 90-95 MPH on final. I floated at that speed, at > 98 knots I call that a "fly-by". As far as flaps I believe the flap speed > is 100knots per Alex so that would be 115 MPH. > > Yes, I thought it was a great marketing article. I can tell you that at > 5500 MSl 22/2300 I saw 159 TAS/ 140 indicated or 161 MPH. > > So I conclude it is MPH not Knots. That would be about right in that case. > > Pascal > > > -----Original Message----- From: Bill Watson > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:57 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation > > > Is it my imagination or are most of the speeds and feeds stated in the > article BS. > > Flap extension speed = 115 knots > 22" & 2300 producing 160 to 165 knots indicated, true even higher > Target speed on final = 98 knots > > Seems like an old school factory ride where none of the numbers can be > believed. Or is just as simple as scrambling mph and knots (which > again, is how old school reviews were done). > > Bill > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Kelly, I'd guess most cfi's will recommend a somewhat high approach speed, especially for new comers to the plane, because, compared to a typical Cessna, it is much easier to inadvertently apply a little back pressure on final. And if you do, especially with full flaps, the plane loses speed rapidly. I'd say it works out well with a nice gentle round out, because then your over-the-fence speed ends up being quite a bit lower. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359957#359957 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Subject: Moving Door Pin Holes
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Has anyone had success moving their door pin holes? I drilled one of mine earlier and after all was said and done, the aft hole for the door shifted inboard about 1/16". I'd really like the door to sit as close to flush as possible so I don't make any additional work for myself. As it stands right now, I'd have to add quite a bit of filler to build-up the door and that would be enough to cover the tops of the screws holding the plastic pin guides in the door. My thought is to go ahead and oval the hole in the bulk head enough to bring the door flush, then rivet a doubler plate with the properly sized 7/16" hole on the backside of the oval. Of course it would be the same thickness as bulkhead. - Has anyone done this successfully? - Are there any other techniques out there that I haven't thought of? - I'm assuming the door pin holes must be a tight fit (minimal slop) and that slightly enlarging the hole (without the doubler idea) is a bad idea? Thanks, Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Moving Door Pin Holes
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Just ensure that the entire circumference of the pin (no part of the bevel) is in the most restrictive hole. You may have to lengthen the pins _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:38 PM Subject: RV10-List: Moving Door Pin Holes Has anyone had success moving their door pin holes? I drilled one of mine earlier and after all was said and done, the aft hole for the door shifted inboard about 1/16". I'd really like the door to sit as close to flush as possible so I don't make any additional work for myself. As it stands right now, I'd have to add quite a bit of filler to build-up the door and that would be enough to cover the tops of the screws holding the plastic pin guides in the door. My thought is to go ahead and oval the hole in the bulk head enough to bring the door flush, then rivet a doubler plate with the properly sized 7/16" hole on the backside of the oval. Of course it would be the same thickness as bulkhead. * Has anyone done this successfully? * Are there any other techniques out there that I haven't thought of? * I'm assuming the door pin holes must be a tight fit (minimal slop) and that slightly enlarging the hole (without the doubler idea) is a bad idea? Thanks, Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
Had to chime in here.... flying back to TX last Sat from SoCal I was inform ed halfway that conditions were terrible... winds at destination 30mph gust ing 45, and the airport I was landing at it also meant a 60 degree crosswin d landing.... all that coupled with a low, very low, left main tire. (which later meant wheel pant repair)- In an attempt to reach home before dark, I ran an rpm setting 200 higher than I normally do.- (and yes, I normall y cruise at 2,100rpm.... 3 blade MT, and lot's of hp)- -Attached is a p ic of my panel during the last part of the trip.... 2300rpm, 20.2mp, 10.7gp h, 21.6mpg, 166mph IAS, 199mph TAS, 231mph GS, 11,700', winds 316 at 81mph with crosswind comp of 69mph.=0AThis is a great plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=0A- =0AOK, I threw in a pic taken several days before while I was heading from Fullerton to the Sacramento area, showing my normal cruise rpm of-2,100, 21.5mp (not- WOT, ck quadrant), 8,500', 9.8gph, 19.6mpg, 164mph IAS, 189m ph TAS, 192mph GS.=0A-=0ATwo weeks ago we ran some speed checks with 3 RV 10's and an RV7.- 5,500', wot, 2,500rpm.... all 3 10's were within 3mph, with the fastest achieving 207TAS... the 7 was about 5mph slower.- We did not work on mixture or see if a slightly higher rpm would have increased t he TAS.=0A-=0ASome other very useful info for others out there like me (c heap)....- Cruising back from Sedona last month at 9,500' with my normal settings the ground speed was 181knots while burning 10.0 gph.- Pushed th e levers forward... wot and 2,500rpm, although speed increased a whopping 7 knots (a 3.8% increase), the fuel burn was now 16.6 (a 66% increase).... N OT a good tradeoff. =0A-=0ADon McDonald=0AFlying, and loving every minute .=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Chris <toaster73@embar qmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, November 30, 2 011 6:48 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport ail.com>=0A=0AI noticed the numbers being all over the place too, very odd. =0A=0AWith Mike Seager I was taught 85-90 mph from- initial to base and t o final.=0AI usually preferred the 85 mph on relatively calm day, stay at 9 o mph if=0Awindy.=0AWe used 100 mph for Vfe. =0AAt 23" and 2400 I think we would see about 165 Mph IAS. =0A-Chris=0AN919AR=0A=0A-----Original Message- ----=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list -server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal=0ASent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:41 PM=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Budd D avisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation=0A=0A--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" =0A=0AFirst off I believe the demo plan e(s) are MPH so believe everything as MPH, =0Athose flying and have done th e transition training in Tx, know that Alex =0Ateaches the Vans way 90-95 M PH on final. I floated at that speed, at 98 =0Aknots I call that a "fly-by" . As far as flaps I believe the flap speed is =0A100knots per Alex so that would be 115 MPH.=0A=0AYes, I thought it was a great marketing article. I c an tell you that at 5500=0A=0AMSl 22/2300 I saw 159 TAS/ 140 indicated or 1 61 MPH.=0A=0ASo I conclude it is MPH not Knots. That would be about right i n that case.=0A=0APascal=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: Bill W atson=0ASent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:57 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronic s.com=0ASubject: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation =0A=0AIs it my imagination or are most of the speeds and feeds stated in th e=0Aarticle BS.=0A=0AFlap extension speed = 115 knots=0A22" & 2300- pro ducing 160 to 165 knots indicated, true even higher=0ATarget speed on final = 98 knots=0A=0ASeems like an old school factory ride where none of the numbers can be=0Abelieved.- Or is just as simple as scrambling mph and kn ots (which=0Aagain, is how old school reviews were done).=0A=0ABill=0A=0A = ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Subject: Re: Moving Door Pin Holes
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I should have added. I have plenty of pin extension to pull it off. Phil On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:07 PM, DLM wrote: > Just ensure that the entire circumference of the pin (no part of the > bevel) is in the most restrictive hole. You may have to lengthen the pins* > *** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Phillip Perry > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:38 PM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Moving Door Pin Holes**** > > ** ** > > Has anyone had success moving their door pin holes? > > I drilled one of mine earlier and after all was said and done, the aft > hole for the door shifted inboard about 1/16". I'd really like the door to > sit as close to flush as possible so I don't make any additional work for > myself. As it stands right now, I'd have to add quite a bit of filler to > build-up the door and that would be enough to cover the tops of the screws > holding the plastic pin guides in the door. > > My thought is to go ahead and oval the hole in the bulk head enough to > bring the door flush, then rivet a doubler plate with the properly sized > 7/16" hole on the backside of the oval. Of course it would be the same > thickness as bulkhead.**** > > - Has anyone done this successfully?**** > - Are there any other techniques out there that I haven't thought of?** > ** > - I'm assuming the door pin holes must be a tight fit (minimal slop) > and that slightly enlarging the hole (without the doubler idea) is a bad > idea?**** > > Thanks, > Phil > > **** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.buildersbooks.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Slow to flap speed upon entering the pattern; 120 KIAS remove reflex; <100 KIAS 0-15 degrees; about 85 KIAS for flap >15 degrees. I use 65-70 KIAS 50-100% flaps on short final; 65 KIAS if two aboard; 70 KIAS if four aboard over the numbers. Easy turnoff at 2500 feet without braking; easy turnoff at 1200 feet with moderate braking. If you plan to use strips < 1000 feet, you may want to practice technique. See http://www.azcloudflyer.com/flight_test/proc_landing.jpg this website is updated by a friend who is an engineer and flew a comprehensive Phase I. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:26 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation Kelly, I'd guess most cfi's will recommend a somewhat high approach speed, especially for new comers to the plane, because, compared to a typical Cessna, it is much easier to inadvertently apply a little back pressure on final. And if you do, especially with full flaps, the plane loses speed rapidly. I'd say it works out well with a nice gentle round out, because then your over-the-fence speed ends up being quite a bit lower. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359957#359957 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Subject: Re: Moving Door Pin Holes
Phil, If I understand your question, you're talking about the holes in the fuselage, right? If so you could substitute the plastic guide blocks for a set of our aluminum guide blocks and just mount the blocks in the desired position. I'd highly recommend changing out the plastic blocks for any of the metal guides that are available. Ours are pretty inexpensive and are dimensionally the same as the plastic blocks. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > Has anyone had success moving their door pin holes? > > I drilled one of mine earlier and after all was said and done, the aft hole > for the door shifted inboard about 1/16". I'd really like the door to sit > as close to flush as possible so I don't make any additional work for > myself. As it stands right now, I'd have to add quite a bit of filler to > build-up the door and that would be enough to cover the tops of the screws > holding the plastic pin guides in the door. > > My thought is to go ahead and oval the hole in the bulk head enough to bring > the door flush, then rivet a doubler plate with the properly sized 7/16" > hole on the backside of the oval. Of course it would be the same thickness > as bulkhead. > > Has anyone done this successfully? > Are there any other techniques out there that I haven't thought of? > I'm assuming the door pin holes must be a tight fit (minimal slop) and that > slightly enlarging the hole (without the doubler idea) is a bad idea? > > Thanks, > Phil > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Electrical schematic
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Vans used to sell the wiring schematic by itself for $10. I would guess that they still do. Jim Berry N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359972#359972 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Electrical schematic
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Bill: click on "download" on the post 3 before your post. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359975#359975 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 01, 2011
I sent mine back in recently to get reworked as it didn't come with ARINC. It took a couple weeks. Navworx has been responsive to my questions and has delivered as promised... Regards, Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359998#359998 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
Not all units are or at least have been, field upgradeable. It may depend on which version they're at right now, of both hardware and software. They've worked hard to quickly add features as they found them useful. I requested GPS output a long time ago myself, too. It's great that they actually listen...the catch is, in adding features, they sometimes require adding things like additional serial line hardware and things like that, along with the code to utilize it. So I'm sure that has a lot to do with the delays. Nobody wants to ship anything out the door knowing that if they just wait a little longer it'll come with some new feature that will just be requested anyway. I'm not saying that's what's happening for sure, but I know that it probably has something to do with it. The boxes that people get today have much more capability than what I originally got. Regarding not posting the manuals and software on the website, I asked about this a while back in a phone call, and while I'm not going to go into the reasonings, I'd like to say that now that I know, I understand why for the time being. There will come a day when the manuals will be publicly downloadable...it's just not yet. The software I'm not sure of. In some cases it's maybe better that they don't just stick software out there that anyone can get....the customer may not be aware of the consequences that they'll face if they load it and don't understand what they may need to do differently. So at this stage of the game, I don't see this as anything too unusual. Just had a flight to Chicago yesterday, and the ADS-B traffic came in very handy. There are a lot of planes in the sky on a nice day...I'll say that. We had a few good alerts that were actually useful. Tim On 11/30/2011 5:17 PM, Tom Hanaway wrote: > According to Bill Moffit, one of the planned software upgrades is to > give GPS output. I want to use this to drive my ELT. Hopefully, it will > come with this software upgrade. Given that we already have to enter a > number of software commands into the ADS-600B for setup and ID purposes, > I dont understand why Navworx doesnt make the software available for > online downloading as opposed to requiring the unit to be sent back in. > > Tom H. > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *William Curtis > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:57 PM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? > > I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade > back in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that > "they are trying to get the latest software into all units prior to > shipment." He gave me the option for them to ship it now, but if they > did, "I would have to return it before it will support an future > software upgrades, new features, etc." I opted to wait. > > William > > ----------- > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Bill Watson > wrote: > > > > > I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit. Haven't had > any response to my last 2 calls/emails. > > Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long? > > Thanks > Bill > > * * > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Moving Door Pin Holes
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 01, 2011
I did exactly as you describe... Ovaled out the holes a bit and then added an .063 doubler to adjust the fit. I should add that I used aluminum pin guides instead of the plastic factory standard ones. Adjustable fit ended up being important as the fit kept changing due to door seals, addition of safety latch, edge changes, etc. Just make sure that the pins go all the way through the doublers. I'm using McMaster-Carr seals and the door close pretty tight when the seals are new. After a few days it gets a lot easier. Regards, Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360001#360001 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Moving Door Pin Holes
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Dec 01, 2011
Phil, I did exactly what Dave Saylor suggested. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete and flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360002#360002 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2011
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
Van's says 100 MPH is the maximum speed with full flaps, but I haven't seen any info from Van's stating that a higher airspeed is acceptable with less than full flaps. Did I miss something? -Rob On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > I too assumed the numbers must be MPH. > > Also, the "flap speed" mentioned is only for the first two notches. Vans > recommends something slower (87 KIAS as I recall) for full flaps. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359950#359950 > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
I missed it too. I have only seen 100mph or 87knots from Vans. Having said that, my current practice is to slow it down to about 100 knots, then letting the 1st notch of flap get me down under 90 knots. Bill On 12/1/2011 1:22 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > Van's says 100 MPH is the maximum speed with full flaps, but I haven't > seen any info from Van's stating that a higher airspeed is acceptable > with less than full flaps. Did I miss something? > -Rob > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bob Turner > wrote: > > > > > I too assumed the numbers must be MPH. > > Also, the "flap speed" mentioned is only for the first two > notches. Vans recommends something slower (87 KIAS as I recall) > for full flaps. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2011
Subject: White House petition to reconsider FAA free data downloads
From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com>
This was sent to me through my local EAA chapter, and I thought I'd forward it on to the list. Forwarded message: You may or may not be aware that the FAA has recently decided to make some changes to how they make available data downloads (charts, approach data, A/FD data, etc.): 1) There will now be a fee associated with downloading these previously free downloads 2) Private citizens will no longer be able to download directly from FAA at all, and will have be forced to pay a third party for access to the data Of these, #2 is the most disturbing to me personally. I feel that this data should be provided free as a public service in the interest of aviation safety. The availability of this data has been a large factor in bringing to market a whole new generation of flight planning and navigational tools (e.g., ForeFlight and the like), and I think that's a good thing. The White House website has a petition to ask the FAA to rethink this decision. The petition needs 22,085 signatures. It currently has 2,915, so we end users need to get vocal and let the Obama administration know what we think about this. Here's the petition. Please take a couple of minutes to go click the "Sign This Petition" button. The deadline is December 14, 2011. http://wh.gov/jCZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Dec 01, 2011
Yes, Vans does publish (higher) speeds for partial flap extensions. See the post about 3 up. The numbers are in the paperwork that comes with the finish kit - same part that talks about weight and balance. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360023#360023 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
Date: Dec 01, 2011
page 21 of FINAL INSPECTION AND FLIGHT TEST 140 Mph for Trail 110 Mph for 1/2 flap 100 Mph for Full flap From: Bill Watson Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation I missed it too. I have only seen 100mph or 87knots from Vans. Having said that, my current practice is to slow it down to about 100 knots, then letting the 1st notch of flap get me down under 90 knots. Bill On 12/1/2011 1:22 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: Van's says 100 MPH is the maximum speed with full flaps, but I haven't seen any info from Van's stating that a higher airspeed is acceptable with less than full flaps. Did I miss something? -Rob On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bob Turner wrote: I too assumed the numbers must be MPH. Also, the "flap speed" mentioned is only for the first two notches. Vans recommends something slower (87 KIAS as I recall) for full flaps. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2011
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
The flap speeds are in the packet that comes with the finishing kit.- I a m sure someone has a scanned copy.- =0A=0AI can't remember all the speeds but the -3 to 0 degree speed is 120 knots and the final flaps are 90 knots .- =0A=0A20 degrees is something in between but I just slow down to 90 be fore adding 20 degrees.- =0A=0A-=0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo. com=0A=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A>From: Bill Watson <Maul edriver(at)nc.rr.com>=0A>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Sent: Thursday, Decemb er 1, 2011 1:37 PM=0A>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 arti cle in Sport Aviation=0A>=0A>=0A>I missed it too.- I have only seen 100mp h or 87knots from Vans.=0A>=0A>Having said that, my current practice is to slow it down to about=0A 100 knots, then letting the 1st notch of flap g et me down under 90=0A knots.=0A>=0A>Bill=0A>=0A>On 12/1/2011 1:22 PM, R ob Kochman wrote: =0A>Van's says 100 MPH is the maximum speed with full fla ps, but I haven't seen any info from Van's stating that a higher airspeed i s acceptable with less than full flaps.- Did I miss something?=0A>>-=0A >>-Rob=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bob Turner =0A>>>=0A>>>I too assumed the numbers must be MPH .=0A>>>=0A>>>Also, the "flap speed" mentioned is only for the first two=0A notches. Vans recommends something slower (87 KIAS as I=0A recall) for full flaps.=0A>>>=0A>>>--------=0A>>>Bob Turner=0A>>>RV-10 QB ====================== =0A>=0A> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2011
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
Wow, I missed that the first time. Thanks, guys. I've forgotten to raise my flaps after takeoff a few times, so hopefully I haven't damaged anything. -Rob On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Pascal wrote: > page 21 of FINAL INSPECTION AND FLIGHT TEST > 140 Mph for Trail > 110 Mph for 1/2 flap > 100 Mph for Full flap > > > *From:* Bill Watson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:37 PM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport > Aviation > > I missed it too. I have only seen 100mph or 87knots from Vans. > > Having said that, my current practice is to slow it down to about 100 > knots, then letting the 1st notch of flap get me down under 90 knots. > > Bill > > On 12/1/2011 1:22 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > > Van's says 100 MPH is the maximum speed with full flaps, but I haven't > seen any info from Van's stating that a higher airspeed is acceptable with > less than full flaps. Did I miss something? > > -Rob > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > >> >> I too assumed the numbers must be MPH. >> >> Also, the "flap speed" mentioned is only for the first two notches. Vans >> recommends something slower (87 KIAS as I recall) for full flaps. >> >> >> -------- >> Bob Turner >> RV-10 QB >> > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Dec 01, 2011
Tim: I don't know the answer to your question for certain, but here's my guess: In flight the forces want to move the flaps up. I presume the force goes up as the speed goes up. At 0 deg that force has to be held by the actuating rod. At -3 the flaps bump up against the aft spar, so the actuating rod doesn't carry that load anymore. e.g., the limitation is to prevent over-stressing the flap actuating mechanism. Others' guesses? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360032#360032 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 01, 2011
Went to bed 9:30 pm last night. Slept good til 2:00 am then off and on til we got up at 5:30 am. I kept waking up wondering if I had forgotten anything or what my plan was for an emergency. Would it really fly? Boy does it fly! 155 kts at 2550 rpm, wot, 5000' without pants/fairings. I have only been that fast in a 172 during emerg descent. Need to adj gov high spd stop before next flight. CHT's on this cool day= 338-388F. Thanks to my wonderful wife of 22 years and two children, a 10 yr old's dream has come true. I want to thank all of the great people I have met here on this list. A special thanks to Ted Chang (-9A) for that first RV flight, tons of build help, motivational trip reports and photography today. Jim Combs(-10) for sevaral t-n-g's and many good phone conversations starting all the way back in 2006. David Maib(-10) for excellent transition training in FL. Also Van's Acft, Stein Air, Stark Avionics, GRT, Lycoming and Hartzell. Thanks to Geoff Combs(-10) for flying chase and photography today. Now to buy some more fuel and plan that SW trip for next summer, Alaska the following year. Keep pounding those rivets...it is so worth it. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009 N715WD Ready to fly. Paint 2012. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360034#360034 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
Date: Dec 01, 2011
NICE Wayne! Glad to hear you made it. Congratulations! ----- Original Message ----- From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever > > Went to bed 9:30 pm last night. Slept good til 2:00 am then off and on til > we got up at 5:30 am. I kept waking up wondering if I had forgotten > anything or what my plan was for an emergency. Would it really fly? > Boy does it fly! 155 kts at 2550 rpm, wot, 5000' without pants/fairings. I > have only been that fast in a 172 during emerg descent. Need to adj gov > high spd stop before next flight. CHT's on this cool day= 338-388F. > Thanks to my wonderful wife of 22 years and two children, a 10 yr old's > dream has come true. I want to thank all of the great people I have met > here on this list. A special thanks to Ted Chang (-9A) for that first RV > flight, tons of build help, motivational trip reports and photography > today. Jim Combs(-10) for sevaral t-n-g's and many good phone > conversations starting all the way back in 2006. David Maib(-10) for > excellent transition training in FL. Also Van's Acft, Stein Air, Stark > Avionics, GRT, Lycoming and Hartzell. Thanks to Geoff Combs(-10) for > flying chase and photography today. Now to buy some more fuel and plan > that SW trip for next summer, Alaska the following year. Keep pounding > those rivets...it is so worth it. > > -------- > Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 > Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009 > N715WD Ready to fly. Paint 2012. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360034#360034 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
On 12/1/2011 5:35 PM, rv10flyer wrote: You go Wayne!! Congratulations and welcome to the other side. Bill > --> RV10-List message posted by: "rv10flyer" > > Went to bed 9:30 pm last night. Slept good til 2:00 am then off and on til we got up at 5:30 am. I kept waking up wondering if I had forgotten anything or what my plan was for an emergency. Would it really fly? > Boy does it fly! 155 kts at 2550 rpm, wot, 5000' without pants/fairings. I have only been that fast in a 172 during emerg descent. Need to adj gov high spd stop before next flight. CHT's on this cool day= 338-388F. > Thanks to my wonderful wife of 22 years and two children, a 10 yr old's dream has come true. I want to thank all of the great people I have met here on this list. A special thanks to Ted Chang (-9A) for that first RV flight, tons of build help, motivational trip reports and photography today. Jim Combs(-10) for sevaral t-n-g's and many good phone conversations starting all the way back in 2006. David Maib(-10) for excellent transition training in FL. Also Van's Acft, Stein Air, Stark Avionics, GRT, Lycoming and Hartzell. Thanks to Geoff Combs(-10) for flying chase and photography today. Now to buy some more fuel and plan that SW trip for next summer, Alaska the following year. Keep pounding those rivets...it is so worth it. > > -------- > Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 > Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009 > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: kamagra store
From: "IceOcean" <montserratzil(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 01, 2011
I will keep using Kamagra (http://kamagrastor.com/). I am well into my 60s and pills gave me what I lost: long lasting erection and delights of youth. My order arrived within 5 days in good condition. I received my medicine in time and I think that this is a sign of responsibility and professionalism. ventolin inhaler (http://ventolin.me/) Thanks for such a good service and a great product. and what you need esle :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360044#360044 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
Date: Dec 01, 2011
Awesome Wayne that makes 2 new RV-10's in the last 5 days! -Chris Lucas N919AR -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever Went to bed 9:30 pm last night. Slept good til 2:00 am then off and on til we got up at 5:30 am. I kept waking up wondering if I had forgotten anything or what my plan was for an emergency. Would it really fly? Boy does it fly! 155 kts at 2550 rpm, wot, 5000' without pants/fairings. I have only been that fast in a 172 during emerg descent. Need to adj gov high spd stop before next flight. CHT's on this cool day= 338-388F. Thanks to my wonderful wife of 22 years and two children, a 10 yr old's dream has come true. I want to thank all of the great people I have met here on this list. A special thanks to Ted Chang (-9A) for that first RV flight, tons of build help, motivational trip reports and photography today. Jim Combs(-10) for sevaral t-n-g's and many good phone conversations starting all the way back in 2006. David Maib(-10) for excellent transition training in FL. Also Van's Acft, Stein Air, Stark Avionics, GRT, Lycoming and Hartzell. Thanks to Geoff Combs(-10) for flying chase and photography today. Now to buy some more fuel and plan that SW trip for next summer, Alaska the following year. Keep pounding those rivets...it is so worth it. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009 N715WD Ready to fly. Paint 2012. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360034#360034 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Byron&Donya" <bgill1(at)charter.net>
Subject: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
Date: Dec 01, 2011
Way to go Wayne... Glad to see another joining the ranks.. Byron Gillespie South GA N253RV - Phase 1 - 15 to go -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever Went to bed 9:30 pm last night. Slept good til 2:00 am then off and on til we got up at 5:30 am. I kept waking up wondering if I had forgotten anything or what my plan was for an emergency. Would it really fly? Boy does it fly! 155 kts at 2550 rpm, wot, 5000' without pants/fairings. I have only been that fast in a 172 during emerg descent. Need to adj gov high spd stop before next flight. CHT's on this cool day= 338-388F. Thanks to my wonderful wife of 22 years and two children, a 10 yr old's dream has come true. I want to thank all of the great people I have met here on this list. A special thanks to Ted Chang (-9A) for that first RV flight, tons of build help, motivational trip reports and photography today. Jim Combs(-10) for sevaral t-n-g's and many good phone conversations starting all the way back in 2006. David Maib(-10) for excellent transition training in FL. Also Van's Acft, Stein Air, Stark Avionics, GRT, Lycoming and Hartzell. Thanks to Geoff Combs(-10) for flying chase and photography today. Now to buy some more fuel and plan that SW trip for next summer, Alaska the following year. Keep pounding those rivets...it is so worth it. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009 N715WD Ready to fly. Paint 2012. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360034#360034 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: Dec 01, 2011
A Merry Christmas indeed, Wayne! Congratulations on a real milestone. Press on with Phase 1. Best regards, -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360047#360047 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2011
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
Wow, congrats Wayne.- Sounds like-record time to me.- I'm # 40956 and I'm still building tanks.- Well done......Rick --- On Thu, 12/1/11, rv10flyer wrote: From: rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever Received: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 10:35 PM Went to bed 9:30 pm last night. Slept good til 2:00 am then off and on til we got up at 5:30 am. I kept waking up wondering if I had forgotten anythin g or what my plan was for an emergency. Would it really fly? Boy does it fly! 155 kts at 2550 rpm, wot, 5000' without pants/fairings. I have only been that fast in a 172 during emerg descent. Need to adj gov hig h spd stop before next flight. CHT's on this cool day= 338-388F. Thanks to my wonderful wife of 22 years and two children, a 10 yr old's dre am has come true. I want to thank all of the great people I have met here o n this list. A special thanks to Ted Chang (-9A) for that first RV flight, tons of build help, motivational trip reports and photography today. Jim Co mbs(-10) for sevaral t-n-g's and many good phone conversations starting all the way back in 2006. David Maib(-10) for excellent transition training in FL. Also Van's Acft, Stein Air, Stark Avionics, GRT, Lycoming and Hartzell . Thanks to Geoff Combs(-10) for flying chase and photography today. Now to buy some more fuel and plan that SW trip for next summer, Alaska the follo wing year. Keep pounding those rivets...it is so worth it. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009 N715WD Ready to fly. Paint 2012. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360034#360034 le, List Admin. le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
From: "maca2790" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au>
Date: Dec 01, 2011
Congratulations Wayne, you, your wife and all those that have helped you must be very happy right now. Two flying in the last week is great news and it makes me even more motivated! Just have to get back to work on the Panel and the Wiring. cheers John MacCallum Builder #41016 VH-DUU Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360053#360053 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2011
Thank you guys for all of the support and kind words. I have met a few of you and hope to meet more in the future. We have alot in common and always look forward to fun flying and conversations. As a low time pilot I appreciate everyone sharing their knowledge and experiences. We will try to stop and meet as many of you as possible as we travel this great country. Sorry...No aux tanks so probably won't be going to Australia. Back up at pmh this morning with less tension. Presently Temp 5C, Alt 30.44 and a beautiful day for flying. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009 N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360072#360072 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Proscar tab
From: "cheapndale" <dearankrisnoq(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2011
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Subject: Re: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Dec 02, 2011
Congrats.....and wait until you get those fairings on! -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360087#360087 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: wiring list
From: "rvdave" <davidbf(at)centurytel.net>
Date: Dec 02, 2011
Getting back to working on the 10 after remodeling work at home, am getting ready to order some wiring and items for fwf to aft fuselage so I can close things up and have compiled a list of things, wondering if anyone can see what I'm missing. So far the only thing I have running back is static line. 18' #2 cable 30 ' 7 conductor shielded cable- 1 for servo, 1 extra 18' antenna cable battery contactor starter contactor misc crimp connectors for #2 cable -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360088#360088 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wiring list
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Dec 02, 2011
Dave, If you mean what to run forward to aft in terms of cables and wires, here are things to consider. 1. Power and ground to tail light. This will be dictated by the type of light(s), ie, strobe, incandescent, or LED. Note that strobe/LED can be synchronized which adds a wire. 2. Pitch servo - 7 wires 3. Elevator trim - 5 wires 4. Some AHRS units and magnetometers go back there. This could be several wire bundles. I recommend installing conduit for pulling wires later. 5. Remote mounted transponder and/or ADS-B could go back there. 6. Pos and ground battery wires to starter and engine or common grounding point. 7. Power from battery to main buss(es). 8. Coax for comm antenna(s). 9. Multiple conductor to ELT. Shielded 2 pair for GPS feed, power, and phone type cable to control ELT from panel switch. 10. Passenger headsets 11. Lights, power outlets, or anything else mounted back there. 12. Door reed switch wires 13. Battery master contactor wire 14. More wires if you are installing 2 batteries or a cross-feed connector 15. Transponder coax If you want to include wing wires, then there are more. What about oxygen system plumbing? -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - Working G3X panel Rest almost done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360089#360089 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: wiring list
Date: Dec 02, 2011
Dave Here are the things going to my tail. Magnometer wiring - 2 Elt wiring Comm Antenna coax - 2 GPS antenna coax Nav antenna coax O2 lines to bottle in baggage area Wiring for vent to rear of overhead plenum Wiring for cabin lights in overhead plenum Wiring for rudder trim Wiring for elevator trim Wiring for autopilot pitch servo Wiring for tail light Wiring to Whalen lighting system power supply and return lines for wing nav lights I ran conduit along the sides to aft if the baggage area. One per side. It would have been better to have a couple of lines per side. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone On 2011-12-02, at 6:54 PM, rvdave wrote: > > Getting back to working on the 10 after remodeling work at home, am getting ready to order some wiring and items for fwf to aft fuselage so I can close things up and have compiled a list of things, wondering if anyone can see what I'm missing. So far the only thing I have running back is static line. > > 18' #2 cable > 30 ' 7 conductor shielded cable- 1 for servo, 1 extra > 18' antenna cable > battery contactor > starter contactor > misc crimp connectors for #2 cable > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360088#360088 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Garmin 696 for sale
Date: Dec 02, 2011
Gentlemen: I have a nearly new Garmin 696 for sale. Includes original box, all accessories and manuals and the XM antenna. Displays geo-referenced taxiways. $1,750.00. Dick Sipp ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 first flight- best Christmas ever
From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Dec 03, 2011
Congratulations Wayne. I new it would go well, great workmanship on the build makes it an easy first step! Give me a call sometime and fill me in. Bill -------- Bill Peyton Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360097#360097 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Ack-e04 ELT
Date: Dec 03, 2011
All, Mi don't recall if it was this list or another that there was a thread about the ack 406MHz elt a little while back but someone had mentioned Airsuppliers.com as having it for $509. I can confirm that they do have it at that price and they also have them in stock. Their website is a POS and I finally gave up trying to order it online and called them directly. Got voicemail but they called me back promptly and after 2 days and $14 in shipping it is sitting in my shop. FWIW, I asked Aircraft Spruce if they could price match and they came back saying the best they could do was around $555 and that $509 was below their cost. Michael ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: rv-10 training pirep
Date: Dec 03, 2011
Fellow RV=99s, Today I finished up my transition training with Dave Maib in New Smyrna Beach, FL. I must share what a terrific experience I had and that Dave is a great instructor, mentor and overall great guy. For those who are already flying, then you know what I=99m about to say, the RV-10 is a truly spectacular flying machine. An awesome balance of power and perfectly coordinated controls makes the airplane just tremendously fun to fly. For those that have not yet flown an RV-10 yet, think of the first time you heard music on a CD, or drove a Porsche over 100 mph on an exit ramp, or flew aerobatics, then you start to get the idea of the experience. The airplane is just a pleasure to fly in each and every phase of flight. Dave=99s RV-10 is a magnificent example of the model, well appointed in every way. Dave=99s open communication and training style was among the best I=99ve every had in my 30 yrs of flying. Thanks for doing a great job getting me prepared to fly my airplane. Central Florida was a great place to train, we had many different types of airport environments to work the RV-10 through all types of scenarios. From uncontrolled airports to towered airports with multiple runways to facilities loaded with airplanes doing flight training to places to try instrument approaches, we had a great selection of experience to understand how best to work the =9310. Hopefully, in the coming month I=99ll get to put the skills to work on N541RV. Dave=99s guidance has provided me with the confidence to move to the next stage. THANKS!! Bob Newman RV-10 40176 final assembly www.tcwtech.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Hardware Failure - Matronics Web Servers Currently Offline
failure and is currently not available. Replacement hardware has been ordered and should arrive on Tuesday 12/6/2011. All services should be restored shortly there after. During the outage, the Matronics Forums, Wiki, and other web-based List services will NOT be available. However, during the outage, all normal EMAIL based sevices WILL be available so you may continue to post messages to the various lists without an issue. I am so sorry for any inconvenience this web server outage has caused... Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Window Installation
Date: Dec 04, 2011
Hi I am getting closer to finishing my avionics which means windows are on the horizon. After reading the many posts regarding crazing and other weld-on challenges, I am wondering what the the current consensus is on window installs. I am leaning to Silpruf for the side / door windows but that still leaves a big hunk of plexi upfront. Does anyone have a guide to window install that eliminate / reduces the risks associated with Weld-on. Given that I live in Canada, Weld-on may be difficult to get Weld-on so I may have to consider alternatives. Inquiring minds need to know. Les #40643 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Window Installation
PM sent with Michael Sausen's write-up using urethane adhesive Geoff Combs used. circa Oct 2, 2009. On 12/4/2011 9:43 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > Hi > I am getting closer to finishing my avionics which means windows are > on the horizon. After reading the many posts regarding crazing and > other weld-on challenges, I am wondering what the the current > consensus is on window installs. > I am leaning to Silpruf for the side / door windows but that still > leaves a big hunk of plexi upfront. > Does anyone have a guide to window install that eliminate / reduces > the risks associated with Weld-on. Given that I live in Canada, > Weld-on may be difficult to get Weld-on so I may have to consider > alternatives. > Inquiring minds need to know. > Les > #40643 > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Window Installation
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Dec 05, 2011
I used sika flex on 2 RV-10's with great success, and weld-on on 1 RV-10 with poor success. So poor we had to replace 1 side window and the windshield. Of course, your results may vary. Many people have had success with weld-on, but the margin for error is much less. -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:04 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > PM sent with Michael Sausen's write-up using urethane adhesive Geoff Combs used. circa Oct 2, 2009. > > > On 12/4/2011 9:43 PM, Les Kearney wrote: >> Hi >> I am getting closer to finishing my avionics which means windows are on the horizon. After reading the many posts regarding crazing and other weld-on challenges, I am wondering what the the current consensus is on window installs. >> I am leaning to Silpruf for the side / door windows but that still leaves a big hunk of plexi upfront. >> Does anyone have a guide to window install that eliminate / reduces the risks associated with Weld-on. Given that I live in Canada, Weld-on may be difficult to get Weld-on so I may have to consider alternatives. >> Inquiring minds need to know. >> Les >> #40643 >> * >> >> >> * > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2011
From: davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Window Installation
I used the same method that we used on the Cozy MKIV to install the windows in my -10, epoxy mixed with flox. Then followed up with 2 layers of 2.5" wide BID glass tape on the outside. I have never heard of a window coming off a Rutan canard aircraft using this method. Last year I replaced the glass in my Cessna and used Weld-ON to glue the compass mount to the new windshield. Within a month crazing was apparent. No way I was going to use that crap again! David Clifford RV-10 Builder Howell, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:43:33 PM Subject: RV10-List: Window Installation Hi I am getting closer to finishing my avionics which means windows are on the horizon. After reading the many posts regarding crazing and other weld-on challenges, I am wondering what the the current consensus is on window installs. I am leaning to Silpruf for the side / door windows but that still leaves a big hunk of plexi upfront. Does anyone have a guide to window install that eliminate / reduces the risks associated with Weld-on. Given that I live in Canada, Weld-on may be difficult to get Weld-on so I may have to consider alternatives. Inquiring minds need to know. Les ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Window Installation
From: Bill Gipson <gipsowh(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 05, 2011
Les, am currently replacing my windshield that I installed about three years ago. During a very hot summer here in S. E. Texas, one day I opened my han gar door to discover crazing over the entire windshield. What the ... All I can think of is that the weld on 10 wouldn't allow expansion causing s tress fractures. Will be using silka-flex this time. Sent from my iPhone Bill Gipson On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:56 PM, "Les Kearney" wrote: > Hi > > I am getting closer to finishing my avionics which means windows are on th e horizon. After reading the many posts regarding crazing and other weld-on c hallenges, I am wondering what the the current consensus is on window instal ls. > > I am leaning to Silpruf for the side / door windows but that still leaves a big hunk of plexi upfront. > > Does anyone have a guide to window install that eliminate / reduces the ri sks associated with Weld-on. Given that I live in Canada, Weld-on may be dif ficult to get Weld-on so I may have to consider alternatives. > > Inquiring minds need to know. > > Les > #40643 > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2011
Subject: Re: Window Installation
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Just curious why few folks seem to have any interest in the Lord 7545A/E* *urethane adhesive Geoff located and tested to be as strong as Weld On without the negative aspects. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Bill Gipson wrote: > Les, am currently replacing my windshield that I installed about three > years ago. During a very hot summer here in S. E. Texas, one day I opened > my hangar door to discover crazing over the entire windshield. What the ... > All I can think of is that the weld on 10 wouldn't allow expansion causing > stress fractures. Will be using silka-flex this time. > > Sent from my iPhone > Bill Gipson > > On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:56 PM, "Les Kearney" wrote: > > Hi > > I am getting closer to finishing my avionics which means windows are on > the horizon. After reading the many posts regarding crazing and other > weld-on challenges, I am wondering what the the current consensus is on > window installs. > > I am leaning to Silpruf for the side / door windows but that still leaves > a big hunk of plexi upfront. > > Does anyone have a guide to window install that eliminate / reduces the > risks associated with Weld-on. Given that I live in Canada, Weld-on may be > difficult to get Weld-on so I may have to consider alternatives. > > Inquiring minds need to know. > > Les > #40643 > > > * > > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Window Installation
Date: Dec 05, 2011
We were very happy with Silka flex too. The Glasair guys generally use Silka flex as their default choice. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 4:49 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Window Installation --> I used sika flex on 2 RV-10's with great success, and weld-on on 1 RV-10 with poor success. So poor we had to replace 1 side window and the windshield. Of course, your results may vary. Many people have had success with weld-on, but the margin for error is much less. -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:04 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > PM sent with Michael Sausen's write-up using urethane adhesive Geoff Combs used. circa Oct 2, 2009. > > > On 12/4/2011 9:43 PM, Les Kearney wrote: >> Hi >> I am getting closer to finishing my avionics which means windows are on the horizon. After reading the many posts regarding crazing and other weld-on challenges, I am wondering what the the current consensus is on window installs. >> I am leaning to Silpruf for the side / door windows but that still leaves a big hunk of plexi upfront. >> Does anyone have a guide to window install that eliminate / reduces the risks associated with Weld-on. Given that I live in Canada, Weld-on may be difficult to get Weld-on so I may have to consider alternatives. >> Inquiring minds need to know. >> Les >> #40643 >> * >> >> >> * > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Window Installation
Date: Dec 05, 2011
If I am not correct please let me know on this but I believe all Sikaflex material is a polyurethane base material And it only comes as a single component material. The Lord 7545A/E material is a 2 part urethane material which has higher Heat deflection temperature and is a harder material than the Silkaflex adhesives. I am not sure which one people Have used for installing the windows but the Lord is a very good solution. It is very easy to clean up. Just use A urethane reducers like PPG DT870. This will not hurt your windows but works great on cleanup. I would always Chose a 2 part material over a single part any time when a strong bond or durable surface is required. Using a Air cured type system is not as good in my opinion and experience. FWIW Geoff Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Window Installation We were very happy with Silka flex too. The Glasair guys generally use Silka flex as their default choice. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 4:49 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Window Installation --> I used sika flex on 2 RV-10's with great success, and weld-on on 1 RV-10 with poor success. So poor we had to replace 1 side window and the windshield. Of course, your results may vary. Many people have had success with weld-on, but the margin for error is much less. -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:04 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > PM sent with Michael Sausen's write-up using urethane adhesive Geoff Combs used. circa Oct 2, 2009. > > > On 12/4/2011 9:43 PM, Les Kearney wrote: >> Hi >> I am getting closer to finishing my avionics which means windows are on the horizon. After reading the many posts regarding crazing and other weld-on challenges, I am wondering what the the current consensus is on window installs. >> I am leaning to Silpruf for the side / door windows but that still leaves a big hunk of plexi upfront. >> Does anyone have a guide to window install that eliminate / reduces the risks associated with Weld-on. Given that I live in Canada, Weld-on may be difficult to get Weld-on so I may have to consider alternatives. >> Inquiring minds need to know. >> Les >> #40643 >> * >> >> >> * > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Window Installation
How much do you use on a -10, and where do you get it in smaller quantities? Linn On 12/5/2011 1:38 PM, Geoff Combs wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Geoff Combs" > > If I am not correct please let me know on this but I believe all Sikaflex > material is a polyurethane base material > And it only comes as a single component material. The Lord 7545A/E material > is a 2 part urethane material which has higher Heat deflection temperature > and is a harder material than the Silkaflex adhesives. I am not sure which > one people > Have used for installing the windows but the Lord is a very good solution. > It is very easy to clean up. Just use > A urethane reducers like PPG DT870. This will not hurt your windows but > works great on cleanup. I would always > Chose a 2 part material over a single part any time when a strong bond or > durable surface is required. Using a > Air cured type system is not as good in my opinion and experience. > > FWIW > Geoff > > > Geoff Combs > Aerosport Modeling& Design > 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway > Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 > 614-834-5227p > 614-834-5230f > www.aerosportmodeling.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Another milestone in the building process
Date: Dec 05, 2011
Hi Well today I lit up my panel for the first time. Fortunately there was no smoke and things worked pretty much as advertised. I did run into a couple of small hiccups - I installed the end plate on the audio panel tray upside down - a 10 minute fix. I also had to update the software on my AFS screens. This led to problem # 2. The update failed as my screens had software too old to update all at once. This is where good customer support is invaluable. Ken at AFS sent me the required software updates in separate patches and then update process went seamlessly. When I started down the path of building my own panel, it was only the stellar products from Approach System (the FastStack Hub) and Vertical Power (VP-X electronic circuit breakers) that made the process doable by a rank amateur (me). Tim Haas (Approach) was very patient and helpful providing phone support as I figured out what wires went where and how all these black boxes tied together. Likewise Marc Ausman at Vertical Power was very helpful in laying out the wiring requirements / load planning. The AFS / VP-X configuration interface works very nicely - it was fun watching each radio spin up as its circuit was activated using the AFS EFIS. Although the process was fairly time consuming, I think a lot of it went into planning and laying out where things would go. Based on my experience, I don't you could ask for much more in the way of support from Approach Systems / Vertical Power / Advanced Flight Systems. Cheers Les #40643 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Another milestone in the building process
Date: Dec 05, 2011
What, no pictures? From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:11 PM Subject: RV10-List: Another milestone in the building process Hi Well today I lit up my panel for the first time. Fortunately there was no smoke and things worked pretty much as advertised. I did run into a couple of small hiccups - I installed the end plate on the audio panel tray upside down - a 10 minute fix. I also had to update the software on my AFS screens. This led to problem # 2. The update failed as my screens had software too old to update all at once. This is where good customer support is invaluable. Ken at AFS sent me the required software updates in separate patches and then update process went seamlessly. When I started down the path of building my own panel, it was only the stellar products from Approach System (the FastStack Hub) and Vertical Power (VP-X electronic circuit breakers) that made the process doable by a rank amateur (me). Tim Haas (Approach) was very patient and helpful providing phone support as I figured out what wires went where and how all these black boxes tied together. Likewise Marc Ausman at Vertical Power was very helpful in laying out the wiring requirements / load planning. The AFS / VP-X configuration interface works very nicely - it was fun watching each radio spin up as its circuit was activated using the AFS EFIS. Although the process was fairly time consuming, I think a lot of it went into planning and laying out where things would go. Based on my experience, I don't you could ask for much more in the way of support from Approach Systems / Vertical Power / Advanced Flight Systems. Cheers Les #40643 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Another milestone in the building process
Date: Dec 05, 2011
Hi Bob Attached is a picture - nothing exotic at this point. The panel is fiberglass - one that I bought eons ago (when I thought I was in for a 3 year build). The inserts are bare aluminium for now as I have moved things around which means I have extra holes. I still want to install some annuciator lights over the EFIS screens and have to install some heating vent controls on the right side. In early Jan I plan to make proper inserts (painted and printed etc). I also want to install a USB outlet and an ELT remote switch on the right side of the panel. Cheers Les _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: December-05-11 7:50 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Another milestone in the building process What, no pictures? From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:11 PM Subject: RV10-List: Another milestone in the building process Hi Well today I lit up my panel for the first time. Fortunately there was no smoke and things worked pretty much as advertised. I did run into a couple of small hiccups - I installed the end plate on the audio panel tray upside down - a 10 minute fix. I also had to update the software on my AFS screens. This led to problem # 2. The update failed as my screens had software too old to update all at once. This is where good customer support is invaluable. Ken at AFS sent me the required software updates in separate patches and then update process went seamlessly. When I started down the path of building my own panel, it was only the stellar products from Approach System (the FastStack Hub) and Vertical Power (VP-X electronic circuit breakers) that made the process doable by a rank amateur (me). Tim Haas (Approach) was very patient and helpful providing phone support as I figured out what wires went where and how all these black boxes tied together. Likewise Marc Ausman at Vertical Power was very helpful in laying out the wiring requirements / load planning. The AFS / VP-X configuration interface works very nicely - it was fun watching each radio spin up as its circuit was activated using the AFS EFIS. Although the process was fairly time consuming, I think a lot of it went into planning and laying out where things would go. Based on my experience, I don't you could ask for much more in the way of support from Approach Systems / Vertical Power / Advanced Flight Systems. Cheers Les #40643 www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Another milestone in the building process
Date: Dec 06, 2011
That is going to look great. I like the center console too. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:14 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Another milestone in the building process Hi Bob Attached is a picture - nothing exotic at this point. The panel is fibergla ss - one that I bought eons ago (when I thought I was in for a 3 year build ). The inserts are bare aluminium for now as I have moved things around which means I have extra holes. I still want to install some annuciator lights ov er the EFIS screens and have to install some heating vent controls on the r ight side. In early Jan I plan to make proper inserts (painted and printed etc). I also want to install a USB outlet and an ELT remote switch on the right s ide of the panel. Cheers Les ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: December-05-11 7:50 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Another milestone in the building process What, no pictures? From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:11 PM Subject: RV10-List: Another milestone in the building process Hi Well today I lit up my panel for the first time. Fortunately there was no s moke and things worked pretty much as advertised. I did run into a couple of small hiccups - I installed the end plate on the audio panel tray upside down - a 10 minute fix. I also had to update the s oftware on my AFS screens. This led to problem # 2. The update failed as my screens had software too old to update all at once. This is where good cus tomer support is invaluable. Ken at AFS sent me the required software updat es in separate patches and then update process went seamlessly. When I started down the path of building my own panel, it was only the stel lar products from Approach System (the FastStack Hub) and Vertical Power (V P-X electronic circuit breakers) that made the process doable by a rank ama teur (me). Tim Haas (Approach) was very patient and helpful providing phone support as I figured out what wires went where and how all these black box es tied together. Likewise Marc Ausman at Vertical Power was very helpful i n laying out the wiring requirements / load planning. The AFS / VP-X configuration interface works very nicely - it was fun watch ing each radio spin up as its circuit was activated using the AFS EFIS. Although the process was fairly time consuming, I think a lot of it went in to planning and laying out where things would go. Based on my experience, I don't you could ask for much more in the way of s upport from Approach Systems / Vertical Power / Advanced Flight Systems. Cheers Les #40643 www.aeroelectric.com<http://www.aeroelectric.com> www.buildersbooks.com<http://www.buildersbooks.com> www.homebuilthelp.com<http://www.homebuilthelp.com> http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Lis t> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Another milestone in the building process


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