RV10-Archive.digest.vol-iq
February 28, 2012 - March 31, 2012
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| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
Mine is up top and out of the way. It would have been easier to mount
it earlier in construction but it worked out great. I made a nutplated
doubler to mount the CI-157P and used the 5/16 pneumatic airline to run
the coax up the nose of the vertical ribs. Best pic of it I found.
Apex is toward the nose.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Kranz
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna locations
I'm just getting ready to finish up the vertical stab, and I need to
make a decision about antenna locations... specifically the Nav
antenna(s).
The options I've seen are:
a.. Whiskers on top of the VS (on the rib below the rudder)
b.. Whiskers below the VS
c.. Wingtip antenna
I'm leaning towards whiskers on top of the VS and a NAV2 in a wingtip,
as I'm worried about dogs and kids finding the antennas with their eyes
(also concerned about the COM antennas on the belly for the same reason,
but that's something to worry about further down the line).
My question is: is there a performance hit from mounting the whiskers
on top of the VS? Do you get any shadowing from the wings and body of
the plane? Also, which whiskers (with removable elements) are giving the
best performance for your buck?
Thanks!
Ed Kranz
41347
edandcolleen.com
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| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
BTW, I have the bob archer in the wingtip for my nav two. A lot of
discussion on the reception. My personal experience is roughly 20
miles. The cat whisker will pick up the signal twenty miles farther
than the bob archer.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Kranz
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna locations
I'm just getting ready to finish up the vertical stab, and I need to
make a decision about antenna locations... specifically the Nav
antenna(s).
The options I've seen are:
a.. Whiskers on top of the VS (on the rib below the rudder)
b.. Whiskers below the VS
c.. Wingtip antenna
I'm leaning towards whiskers on top of the VS and a NAV2 in a wingtip,
as I'm worried about dogs and kids finding the antennas with their eyes
(also concerned about the COM antennas on the belly for the same reason,
but that's something to worry about further down the line).
My question is: is there a performance hit from mounting the whiskers
on top of the VS? Do you get any shadowing from the wings and body of
the plane? Also, which whiskers (with removable elements) are giving the
best performance for your buck?
Thanks!
Ed Kranz
41347
edandcolleen.com
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| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
Ed,
You are touching on an area close to "primers" as to strong opinions.
Here is what I'm doing:
- VOR antenna; home brew wingtip similar in design to the Bob Archer design,
but dimensions changed to take advantage of the larger wingtip dimensions.
I did this on my 8A and consistently get VOR reception at 40+ miles, and IL
S/LOC reception way beyond useful range.
- On the eyeball hazard I share your concerns. I have two bent whip antenna
on the bottom of the10. First thing after it goes back in the hangar I put
a hose (with the end capped) over each one. I don't want my dogs to jam th
e antenna tips into their eyes - and I also found it a great safety step to p
reserve my vision when cleaning the belly.
- You mentioned "Nav 2". If you are striving for bang for the buck, perhaps
you consider not having a second VOR receiver. I find the SL-30 in the 8A p
rovides the "cross bearing to a second VOR" function well using the primary/
secondary VOR feature. If you really need a second VOR, the a single antenn
a with a splitter works (for all practical purposes) as well as two antennas
.
Carl
On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:27 PM, "Seano" wrote:
> BTW, I have the bob archer in the wingtip for my nav two. A lot of discus
sion on the reception. My personal experience is roughly 20 miles. The cat
whisker will pick up the signal twenty miles farther than the bob archer.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Kranz
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:10 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Antenna locations
>
> I'm just getting ready to finish up the vertical stab, and I need to make a
decision about antenna locations... specifically the Nav antenna(s).
>
> The options I've seen are:
> Whiskers on top of the VS (on the rib below the rudder)
> Whiskers below the VS
> Wingtip antenna
> I'm leaning towards whiskers on top of the VS and a NAV2 in a wingtip, as I
'm worried about dogs and kids finding the antennas with their eyes (also co
ncerned about the COM antennas on the belly for the same reason, but that's
something to worry about further down the line).
>
> My question is: is there a performance hit from mounting the whiskers on t
op of the VS? Do you get any shadowing from the wings and body of the plane?
Also, which whiskers (with removable elements) are giving the best performa
nce for your buck?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ed Kranz
> 41347
> edandcolleen.com
>
>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
I don't think finishing the vertical stab is the time to decide on that
antenna. I just closed off the fiberglass tip with Clickbond #4
nutplates and #4 flush screws instead of rivets, so I can get in there
if I ever decide I want something there. Yes, it adds about $20 to
overall cost, but to me that is easier than having to drill out rivets
if the need arises.
I'd be interested in what changes were made to the Bob Archer design to
improve the range. If 40+ mile range is possible, I'd much rather have
antenna in wingtip. OTOH, on other planes I have gotten 100+ mile range
at 10K cruising alt on H class VORs.
On 2/28/2012 11:14 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> Ed,
>
> You are touching on an area close to "primers" as to strong opinions.
>
> Here is what I'm doing:
> - VOR antenna; home brew wingtip similar in design to the Bob Archer
> design, but dimensions changed to take advantage of the larger wingtip
> dimensions. I did this on my 8A and consistently get VOR reception at
> 40+ miles, and ILS/LOC reception way beyond useful range.
> - On the eyeball hazard I share your concerns. I have two bent whip
> antenna on the bottom of the10. First thing after it goes back in the
> hangar I put a hose (with the end capped) over each one. I don't want
> my dogs to jam the antenna tips into their eyes - and I also found it
> a great safety step to preserve my vision when cleaning the belly.
> - You mentioned "Nav 2". If you are striving for bang for the buck,
> perhaps you consider not having a second VOR receiver. I find the
> SL-30 in the 8A provides the "cross bearing to a second VOR" function
> well using the primary/secondary VOR feature. If you really need a
> second VOR, the a single antenna with a splitter works (for all
> practical purposes) as well as two antennas.
>
> Carl
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:27 PM, "Seano" > wrote:
>
>> BTW, I have the bob archer in the wingtip for my nav two. A lot of
>> discussion on the reception. My personal experience is roughly 20
>> miles. The cat whisker will pick up the signal twenty miles farther
>> than the bob archer.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Ed Kranz
>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:10 AM
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Antenna locations
>>
>> I'm just getting ready to finish up the vertical stab, and I need
>> to make a decision about antenna locations... specifically the
>> Nav antenna(s).
>>
>> The options I've seen are:
>>
>> * Whiskers on top of the VS (on the rib below the rudder)
>> * Whiskers below the VS
>> * Wingtip antenna
>>
>> I'm leaning towards whiskers on top of the VS and a NAV2 in a
>> wingtip, as I'm worried about dogs and kids finding the antennas
>> with their eyes (also concerned about the COM antennas on the
>> belly for the same reason, but that's something to worry about
>> further down the line).
>>
>> My question is: is there a performance hit from mounting the
>> whiskers on top of the VS? Do you get any shadowing from the
>> wings and body of the plane? Also, which whiskers (with removable
>> elements) are giving the best performance for your buck?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ed Kranz
>> 41347
>> edandcolleen.com <http://edandcolleen.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
| From: | Bob Condrey <condreyb(at)gmail.com> |
Kelly,
I don't think he changed the design, it's more that the performance is
extremely sensitive to installation. Grounding using the wingtip attach
nutplates (not a wire or strap), routing of other wiring along the edge,
etc. In fact, I exchanged emails with Bob A. when I did my install in the
first -10. I was concerned about the heat protective foil from the halogen
landing light kit - he said to make the antenna as close as possible to the
foil without touching it. I had one of his antennas in each wingtip (and a
GS antenna along with it in one tip) and they worked great. I'd routinely
see 50+ miles when I was actually checking distance. I've also heard of
really poor performance but without seeing the install hard to say why.
FWIW, he will readily admit that his wingtip comm antenna is a poor
performer because of the signal polarization.
Bob
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I don't think finishing the vertical stab is the time to decide on that
> antenna. I just closed off the fiberglass tip with Clickbond #4 nutplates
> and #4 flush screws instead of rivets, so I can get in there if I ever
> decide I want something there. Yes, it adds about $20 to overall cost, but
> to me that is easier than having to drill out rivets if the need arises.
> *I'd be interested in what changes were made to the Bob Archer design to
> improve the range. If 40+ mile range is possible,* I'd much rather have
> antenna in wingtip. OTOH, on other planes I have gotten 100+ mile range at
> 10K cruising alt on H class VORs.
>
>
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| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
My post made it look like I only got 20 miles of reception when I meant
20 miles is the difference between my Bob Archer and my cat whiskers.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Condrey
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna locations
Kelly,
I don't think he changed the design, it's more that the performance is
extremely sensitive to installation. Grounding using the wingtip attach
nutplates (not a wire or strap), routing of other wiring along the edge,
etc. In fact, I exchanged emails with Bob A. when I did my install in
the first -10. I was concerned about the heat protective foil from the
halogen landing light kit - he said to make the antenna as close as
possible to the foil without touching it. I had one of his antennas in
each wingtip (and a GS antenna along with it in one tip) and they worked
great. I'd routinely see 50+ miles when I was actually checking
distance. I've also heard of really poor performance but without seeing
the install hard to say why. FWIW, he will readily admit that his
wingtip comm antenna is a poor performer because of the signal
polarization.
Bob
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kelly McMullen
wrote:
I don't think finishing the vertical stab is the time to decide on
that antenna. I just closed off the fiberglass tip with Clickbond #4
nutplates and #4 flush screws instead of rivets, so I can get in there
if I ever decide I want something there. Yes, it adds about $20 to
overall cost, but to me that is easier than having to drill out rivets
if the need arises.
I'd be interested in what changes were made to the Bob Archer design
to improve the range. If 40+ mile range is possible, I'd much rather
have antenna in wingtip. OTOH, on other planes I have gotten 100+ mile
range at 10K cruising alt on H class VORs.
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
Having flown with both, do you think you'd be comfortable with just the Bob
Archer? Do you use it for GS as well as VOR/LOC?
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Seano wrote:
> **
> My post made it look like I only got 20 miles of reception when I meant 20
> miles is the difference between my Bob Archer and my cat whiskers.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bob Condrey
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:59 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Antenna locations
>
> Kelly,
>
> I don't think he changed the design, it's more that the performance is
> extremely sensitive to installation. Grounding using the wingtip attach
> nutplates (not a wire or strap), routing of other wiring along the edge,
> etc. In fact, I exchanged emails with Bob A. when I did my install in the
> first -10. I was concerned about the heat protective foil from the halogen
> landing light kit - he said to make the antenna as close as possible to the
> foil without touching it. I had one of his antennas in each wingtip (and a
> GS antenna along with it in one tip) and they worked great. I'd routinely
> see 50+ miles when I was actually checking distance. I've also heard of
> really poor performance but without seeing the install hard to say why.
> FWIW, he will readily admit that his wingtip comm antenna is a poor
> performer because of the signal polarization.
>
> Bob
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't think finishing the vertical stab is the time to decide on that
>> antenna. I just closed off the fiberglass tip with Clickbond #4 nutplates
>> and #4 flush screws instead of rivets, so I can get in there if I ever
>> decide I want something there. Yes, it adds about $20 to overall cost, but
>> to me that is easier than having to drill out rivets if the need arises.
>> *I'd be interested in what changes were made to the Bob Archer design to
>> improve the range. If 40+ mile range is possible,* I'd much rather have
>> antenna in wingtip. OTOH, on other planes I have gotten 100+ mile range at
>> 10K cruising alt on H class VORs.
>>
>> *
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| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
Personally, no. I would only install the cat whiskers if I only had one
NAV. I use the CI-157P for GS/VOR/LOC and it is ran to the 430W (nav 1)
with a Diplexer since the 430w needs the NAV/LOC separate from the
GS.(see link below). The Bob Archer is ran to my SL-30 nav portion. I
thought the cat whiskers were easier to install and it gets a better
signal.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/coupler507.php
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Kranz
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna locations
Having flown with both, do you think you'd be comfortable with just
the Bob Archer? Do you use it for GS as well as VOR/LOC?
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Seano wrote:
My post made it look like I only got 20 miles of reception when I
meant 20 miles is the difference between my Bob Archer and my cat
whiskers.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Condrey
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna locations
Kelly,
I don't think he changed the design, it's more that the
performance is extremely sensitive to installation. Grounding using the
wingtip attach nutplates (not a wire or strap), routing of other wiring
along the edge, etc. In fact, I exchanged emails with Bob A. when I did
my install in the first -10. I was concerned about the heat protective
foil from the halogen landing light kit - he said to make the antenna as
close as possible to the foil without touching it. I had one of his
antennas in each wingtip (and a GS antenna along with it in one tip) and
they worked great. I'd routinely see 50+ miles when I was actually
checking distance. I've also heard of really poor performance but
without seeing the install hard to say why. FWIW, he will readily admit
that his wingtip comm antenna is a poor performer because of the signal
polarization.
Bob
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kelly McMullen
wrote:
I don't think finishing the vertical stab is the time to decide
on that antenna. I just closed off the fiberglass tip with Clickbond #4
nutplates and #4 flush screws instead of rivets, so I can get in there
if I ever decide I want something there. Yes, it adds about $20 to
overall cost, but to me that is easier than having to drill out rivets
if the need arises.
I'd be interested in what changes were made to the Bob Archer
design to improve the range. If 40+ mile range is possible, I'd much
rather have antenna in wingtip. OTOH, on other planes I have gotten 100+
mile range at 10K cruising alt on H class VORs.
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| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
I did modify the design slightly when I made the antenna (a few pieces of sc
rap aluminum, some hardware and a piece of bakelite or fiberglass to make th
e gama match). I did a hard mount (piece of .032 angle) to the outboard win
g rib such that the antenna stays on the plane when you pull the wing tip of
f. This solves the grounding issues. I also extended the piece that angles
away from the rib such that the piece that runs parallel to the rib is tuck
ed all the way into the outboard edge of the wingtip. This is a quarter wav
elength antenna - which means the part that does most of the work (the high c
urrent part) is close to the base. The end of the antenna (the high voltage
part) provides the electrical length to resonate the antenna at the desired
frequency. This is why bent whip antennas work as well as they do. The pa
rt near the base is mostly vertical (communications are vertically polarized
, VORs are horizontally polarized). I use the one antenna for both VOR and G
S reception.
As with all antennas, the performance is only as good as the tuning. I used
an MFJ antenna analyzer to adjust the gama match and the overall length to r
esonance. Most amateur radio operators have one of these analyzers and for a
quick hop will most likely just make the antenna for you.
Someplace I have an old AeroElectric book that provides details for the ante
nna.
Carl
On Feb 28, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Bob Condrey wrote:
> Kelly,
>
> I don't think he changed the design, it's more that the performance is ext
remely sensitive to installation. Grounding using the wingtip attach nutpla
tes (not a wire or strap), routing of other wiring along the edge, etc. In f
act, I exchanged emails with Bob A. when I did my install in the first -10.
I was concerned about the heat protective foil from the halogen landing lig
ht kit - he said to make the antenna as close as possible to the foil withou
t touching it. I had one of his antennas in each wingtip (and a GS antenna a
long with it in one tip) and they worked great. I'd routinely see 50+ miles
when I was actually checking distance. I've also heard of really poor perf
ormance but without seeing the install hard to say why. FWIW, he will readi
ly admit that his wingtip comm antenna is a poor performer because of the si
gnal polarization.
>
> Bob
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kelly McMullen wrot
e:
>
> I don't think finishing the vertical stab is the time to decide on that an
tenna. I just closed off the fiberglass tip with Clickbond #4 nutplates and #
4 flush screws instead of rivets, so I can get in there if I ever decide I w
ant something there. Yes, it adds about $20 to overall cost, but to me that i
s easier than having to drill out rivets if the need arises.
> I'd be interested in what changes were made to the Bob Archer design to im
prove the range. If 40+ mile range is possible, I'd much rather have antenna
in wingtip. OTOH, on other planes I have gotten 100+ mile range at 10K crui
sing alt on H class VORs.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I have a single Archer in the right wing tip, running to an SL-30, as my only VOR.
(As another poster mentioned, if you need to save money, I'd drop the #2 VOR
- assuming you have a GPS backup). I easily pick up good signals at 50 miles
@ 5000', except if the station is 90 degrees left of the aircraft (so the antenna
has to look thru the fuselage). I can't say for certain what the range
degradation is then. Picking up the localizer and GS signals has never been a
problem.
I ignored Bob A's instructions to some extent. I put the antenna fairly far back,
away from the landing light, the aluminum foil, and the wiring for the lights
(I ran these wires against the wing rib, and brought them out well in front
of the antenna.).
I also have a second antenna, an Archer clone slightly modified for slightly higher
frequencies, in the left tip which I use for the #2 com (G420). I fastened
the ground side of this antenna as high up as I could, under the top side plate
nuts, and ran the element down to the bottom side of the tip, as steeply
as I could, to get some vertical polarization. (most of the current flows in the
first part of the radiating element). At 10 miles and pointed at the tower,
3000', tower reports the SL-30/belly whip as "5x5"; the G420 and wing tip antenna
as "5x4", eg, slightly weaker. This agrees with my reception of the ATIS
signal, the Archer/G420 is slightly weaker than the SL-30/external belly whip,
although just barely noticeable. Again, I notice that at 15 miles or more I loose
the ATIS on #2 if the left wing is pointed directly away from the tower.
If I were doing it again, I would do it exactly the same as it is now.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: AP procedure |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I have a Trio autopilot (which I like a lot btw), and I also boot it up prior to
takeoff, not because I have to (it boots in flight just fine) but because it
is my "third source" of attitude information, should there be a disagreement
between the other two. The Trio shows a symbolic turn coordinator, even when disengaged,
so it is easy to compare to the other 2 attitude sources. I also use
the autotrim feature, manually, if the autopilot is not engaged. So I always
boot it up prior to takeoff.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | SFO Trip This Week |
| From: | "fdombroski" <f.dombroski(at)yahoo.com> |
I am in the Bay area for a couple days, business trip. Does anyone need an excuse
to go out and burn some 100LL Wednesday afternoon/evening? I'll buy fuel
or food.
Cheers,
Frank
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Frank Dombroski
RV-10 N10FD Flying
RV-8 N84FD Finished and sold :-{
SMQ Somerset Airport NJ
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| From: | David Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | LED tail light strobe |
Does anyone know a good source to purchase an LED tail light strobe combo to replace
my Whelen? I found a couple but they are out of stock.
Also, does anyone have experience with clear wing walk tape? Does it discolor?
Thx.
Dave Leikam
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| From: | "Sean S. Blair" <dogsbark(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: LED tail light strobe |
Dave,
I have the product made by AeroLeds.=C2- http://www.aeroleds.com/products
/navigation-lights/experimental.aspx =C2- Nice product.=C2-
No experience with clear wingwalk.
Sean Blair
COS
RV7=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Leikam" <arplnplt(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:32:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: LED tail light strobe
Does anyone know a good source to purchase an LED tail light strobe combo t
o replace my Whelen? =C2-I found a couple but they are out of stock.
Also, does anyone have experience with clear wing walk tape? =C2-Does it
discolor?
Thx.
Dave Leikam
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| Subject: | Re: LED tail light strobe |
| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
This is what I used.
http://www.kestrobes.com/
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Clear Wing Walk (was LED tail light strobe) |
Dave,
Always interested in trying something new (for better or worse) I used a ma
terial designed to add a non-skid texture to paint and painted my wing walk
s clear over the white basecoat. Then color matched the outline. See below:
[Description: http://painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/Paint/Wing%20
Walk.jpg]
I wanted to extend the length of the wing graphically which I think has wor
ked to nice effect. That being said it's not ideal for most people, muddy f
eet and all. If I were to do it again I would use the exact same non-skid m
aterial but color match the step area my dark blue/grey.
Oh, one more thing. When I chose to go this route I slightly undersized the
area vs. the standard wing walk tape Van's sells in case I had to cover up
my mistake but I am pleased with the performance of this surface. Sorry I
don't recall the non-skid material.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: LED tail light strobe
plnplt(at)gmail.com>>
Does anyone know a good source to purchase an LED tail light strobe combo t
o replace my Whelen? I found a couple but they are out of stock.
Also, does anyone have experience with clear wing walk tape? Does it disco
lor?
Thx.
Dave Leikam
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: LED tail light strobe |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
I have used clear wing walk that I purchased as Spruce, I believe, and I am not
happy with it. I think it is less flexible than the Ray Allen stuff, so it becomes
brittle. It also doesn't seem to adhere as well. I have moved back to the
black stuff.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Feb 29, 2012, at 12:32 AM, David Leikam wrote:
>
> Does anyone know a good source to purchase an LED tail light strobe combo to
replace my Whelen? I found a couple but they are out of stock.
> Also, does anyone have experience with clear wing walk tape? Does it discolor?
> Thx.
>
> Dave Leikam
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero> |
I've got an unused Van's door seal I'd be willing to part with, if anyone h
as a use or desire for it. FREE! Just send a few bucks to ship it.
Got to clean out the hangar!
Tim
N52KS
Tdt(at)aurora.aero
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Van's door seal |
| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Tim,
I'll take it.
Carl
On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:42 AM, "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" wrote:
> I've got an unused Van's door seal I'd be willing to part with, if anyone h
as a use or desire for it. FREE! Just send a few bucks to ship it.
> Got to clean out the hangar!
>
> Tim
> N52KS
> Tdt(at)aurora.aero
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I installed 2 Archer nav antennas in each wing tip, one for each radio. My rationale
was that you will loose 3.5db through a splitter, which is around 50% signal
strength. As an earlier post stated, you can tune the antenna for your
installation using a piece of test equipment that most hams have. I have not
flown the aircraft as of yet, but based on most reports, I think this should
work fine. In today's environment, only real use for a VOR antenna is to receive
the localizer and GS. Normally the distance on this is less than 7nm.
I also installed an Archer MB antenna in the wingtip on the top surface above and
outside of the Archer antenna.
--------
Bill
Aviation Partners, LLC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367514#367514
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| Subject: | Re: A I just got a new upper intersection fairing from Vans |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Bill,
Just out of curiosity, how did the fairing come loose?
Bill
--------
Bill
Aviation Partners, LLC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367516#367516
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy builder. |
Just a few thoughts that may be of some value.
Rudder Trim: Not really needed
I've been climbing and cruising at full power. I've been descending at
high and low power settings. I've found that the 'natural' friction of
the rudder control system will hold the necessary trim in typical calm
cruising conditions. The lightest pressure on the right rudder will
handle things for initial climbout. Though I've made provisions for a
spring type rudder trim, at this point I don't see any reason to install it.
Trimming for roll: The elevator trim tabs have a significant effect on
roll trim
As we all know or will find out, the elevator trim tab setup is
disturbingly asymmetric in operation. Not a problem, just strange.
When doing the final setup, there are some guidelines for how this
asymmetry should be handled. What I've found is that a few turns of the
clevis at one trim tab can have a noticeable effect on roll trim. So if
you seem to require the aileron trim to be set one way or the other,
consider a small adjustment of the elevator trim tabs. You can make
noticeable changes while still staying within the guidelines for general
setup. On a related topic....
Building a 'straight' airframe: This plane just 'snaps' together.... it
really does (this is a QB statement). There isn't a significant bit of
jigging required anywhere to build a straight aircraft.... with one
possible exception... or maybe it was just me. The one task I initially
screwed up was drilling the elevator horns. I screwed it up so badly
that a complete rework was required with the gracious help of my Tech
Counselor. But even with the rework and a second chance to get it
right, I ever so slightly screwed it again. That is, my elevators are
ever so slightly misaligned. Grrrrr! I'm living with it now and it's
all okay (see "trimming for roll"). But, take time and care with the
drilling of the elevator horns!
Economy: LOP ops Rock! I'm getting far better economy from the 260HP
efficient '10 than I ever got from my 180HP Maule... in all regimes. No
surprise in retrospect but I just didn't expect it. Long term effects
of LOP? I'm confident it's the best thing I can do to my engine. Time
will tell.
Overall: For this pilot It's hard to imagine a better 4 place homebuilt
cruiser than he '10. Easy and fun to fly, great performance in all
respects, roomy, good looking, etc, etc. I don't have that much
experience in that many aircraft to make credible comparisons so I'll
just leave it at that. One thing it doesn't do well is flying in the
convective chop that is common on most sunny days. The nose hunts all
over the place, especially in yaw. I try not to give rides in the
middle of the day or below 4k to 6k on a normal Carolina day.
So What!
Bill "happily buzzing at 6 months and 115 hours" Watson
#40605
MyRV10.com - The RV10 Builders Page <http://www.myrv10.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A I just got a new upper intersection fairing from |
Vans
Good question. I don't have a clue. One day during preflight, it
wasn't there. Wish I knew.
Bill
On 2/29/2012 8:43 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bill.peyton"
>
> Bill,
> Just out of curiosity, how did the fairing come loose?
> Bill
>
> --------
> Bill
> Aviation Partners, LLC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367516#367516
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: LED tail light strobe |
| From: | William Greenley <wgreenley(at)gmail.com> |
I suggest looking at the ztron unit, seems like one of the most
affordable choices. It is at ztronlabs.com
Bill Greenley
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:32 AM, David Leikam wrote:
>
> Does anyone know a good source to purchase an LED tail light strobe combo to
replace my Whelen? I found a couple but they are out of stock.
> Also, does anyone have experience with clear wing walk tape? Does it discolor?
> Thx.
>
> Dave Leikam
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A I just got a new upper intersection fairing from |
Vans
I guess I should add that it was screwed on with #6 truss heads into
those self locking Riv-nuts or whatever they are called. The Riv-nut
things remain in place... I forget whether all the screws were still
there or not. Seems like the fairing just ripped away. They were the
standard Vans part with maybe only one layer of cloth added.
I would note that the new fairing seems to be of higher quality and I'm
thinking of not adding any additional cloth contrary to the directions.
Am I setting myself up to lose another?
On 2/29/2012 8:55 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Good question. I don't have a clue. One day during preflight, it
> wasn't there. Wish I knew.
>
> Bill
>
> On 2/29/2012 8:43 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bill.peyton"
>>
>> Bill,
>> Just out of curiosity, how did the fairing come loose?
>> Bill
>>
>> --------
>> Bill
>> Aviation Partners, LLC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy builder. |
Ditto Ditto Ditto Ditto Ditto.... and that's all I have to say.=0ADon=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc
.rr.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, February 29, 201
2 7:53 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very
happy builder.=0A =0A=0AJust a few thoughts that may be of some value.=0A
=0ARudder Trim: Not really needed=0AI've been climbing and cruising at full
power.- I've been=0A descending- at high and low power settings.-
I've found that the=0A 'natural' friction of the rudder control system
will hold the=0A necessary trim in typical calm cruising conditions.-
The lightest=0A pressure on the right rudder will handle things for init
ial=0A climbout.- Though I've made provisions for a spring type rudder
=0A trim, at this point I don't see any reason to install it.=0A=0ATrimm
ing for roll: The elevator trim tabs have a significant effect=0A on rol
l trim=0AAs we all know or will find out, the elevator trim tab setup is=0A
disturbingly asymmetric in operation.- Not a problem, just strange.
-=0A When doing the final setup, there are some guidelines for how thi
s=0A asymmetry should be handled.- What I've found is that a few turns
of=0A the clevis at one trim tab can have a noticeable effect on roll
=0A trim.- So if you seem to require the aileron trim to be set one wa
y=0A or the other, consider a small adjustment of the elevator trim=0A
tabs.- You can make noticeable changes while still staying within=0A
the guidelines for general setup.- On a related topic....=0A=0ABuilding
a 'straight' airframe:- This plane just 'snaps'=0A together.... it rea
lly does (this is a QB statement).- There isn't a=0A significant bit o
f jigging required anywhere to build a straight=0A aircraft.... with one
possible exception... or maybe it was just=0A me.- The one task I ini
tially screwed up was drilling the elevator=0A horns.- I screwed it up
so badly that a complete rework was required=0A with the gracious help
of my Tech Counselor.- But even with the=0A rework and a second chance
to get it right, I ever so slightly=0A screwed it again.- That is, my
elevators are ever so slightly=0A misaligned.- Grrrrr!- I'm living
with it now and it's all okay (see=0A "trimming for roll").- But, take
time and care with the drilling of=0A the elevator horns!=0A=0AEconomy:
- LOP ops Rock!- I'm getting far better economy from the=0A 260HP ef
ficient '10 than I ever got from my 180HP Maule... in all=0A regimes.-
No surprise in retrospect but I just didn't expect it.-=0A Long term
effects of LOP?- I'm confident it's the best thing I can=0A do to my e
ngine.- Time will tell.=0A=0AOverall: For this pilot It's hard to imagine
a better 4 place=0A homebuilt cruiser than he '10.-- Easy and fun t
o fly, great=0A performance in all respects, roomy, good looking, etc, e
tc.- I don't=0A have that much experience in that many aircraft to mak
e credible=0A comparisons so I'll just leave it at that. - One thing i
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most sunny=0A days.- The- nose hunts all over the place, especially
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buzzing at 6 months and 115 hours" Watson=0A#40605=0AMyRV10.com - The RV10
=====================
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| From: | "JimVillani" <Jim(at)JimVillani.com> |
| Subject: | RV 10 power plant question... |
Hey Guys.
What other versions of the IO 540 have been successfully installed in the
10?
Has anyone installed versions other than the IO 540 D4A5?
If so please advise.
I am about 6 months out until I need a power plant.
Thanks!!!
Jim Villani
Kit# 41084
Jim(at)JimVillani.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV 10 power plant question... |
C4B5
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
-----Original message-----
From: JimVillani <Jim(at)JimVillani.com>
Subject: RV10-List: RV 10 power plant question...
Hey Guys.
What other versions of the IO 540 have been successfully installed in the
10?
Has anyone installed versions other than the IO 540 D4A5?
If so please advise.
I am about 6 months out until I need a power plant.
Thanks!!!
Jim Villani
Kit# 41084
Jim(at)JimVillani.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV 10 power plant question... |
| From: | "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> |
[quote="Jim(at)JimVillani.com"]Hey Guys
What other versions of the IO 540 have been successfully installed in the 10?
Has anyone installed versions other than the IO 540 D4A5?
If so please advise
I am about 6 months out until I need a power plant
Thanks!!!
Jim Villani
Kit# 41084
Jim(at)JimVillani.com (Jim(at)JimVillani.com)
> [b]
I installed a C4B5, as have many others. This engine was installed on Piper Aztec's
and perhaps some other Piper's, but I don't know for sure about that. The
engine mount ears from the Aztec will not fit the Van's engine mount, but the
correct ears are available.
The C4B5 was rated at 250 HP on the Aztec by limiting max RPM to 2575. Lycoming
says that it is identical to the D4A5 otherwise, so can be operated at 260HP/2700
RPM on the RV-10.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367535#367535
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy builder. |
I have to decent from the Rudder Trim observation. I LOVE having my rudder
trim. Maybe because we design a trick one for the 10 & 8A but if you want t
he plane perfectly coordinated in most phases of flight (I never bother on
climb out) having an adjustable rudder trim is nice. One note, I included a
position sensor which is indicated on my G900x for the 10. After flying fo
r a while I figured out we already have a position indicator called the sli
p ball. On the 8A I just installed the servo, no position sensor or indicat
or needed just center the ball. Duhhh
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy bu
ilder.
Ditto Ditto Ditto Ditto Ditto.... and that's all I have to say.
Don
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com<mailto:Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy builde
r.
Just a few thoughts that may be of some value.
Rudder Trim: Not really needed
I've been climbing and cruising at full power. I've been descending at hi
gh and low power settings. I've found that the 'natural' friction of the r
udder control system will hold the necessary trim in typical calm cruising
conditions. The lightest pressure on the right rudder will handle things f
or initial climbout. Though I've made provisions for a spring type rudder
trim, at this point I don't see any reason to install it.
Trimming for roll: The elevator trim tabs have a significant effect on roll
trim
As we all know or will find out, the elevator trim tab setup is disturbingl
y asymmetric in operation. Not a problem, just strange. When doing the fi
nal setup, there are some guidelines for how this asymmetry should be handl
ed. What I've found is that a few turns of the clevis at one trim tab can
have a noticeable effect on roll trim. So if you seem to require the ailer
on trim to be set one way or the other, consider a small adjustment of the
elevator trim tabs. You can make noticeable changes while still staying wi
thin the guidelines for general setup. On a related topic....
Building a 'straight' airframe: This plane just 'snaps' together.... it re
ally does (this is a QB statement). There isn't a significant bit of jiggi
ng required anywhere to build a straight aircraft.... with one possible exc
eption... or maybe it was just me. The one task I initially screwed up was
drilling the elevator horns. I screwed it up so badly that a complete rew
ork was required with the gracious help of my Tech Counselor. But even wit
h the rework and a second chance to get it right, I ever so slightly screwe
d it again. That is, my elevators are ever so slightly misaligned. Grrrrr
! I'm living with it now and it's all okay (see "trimming for roll"). But
, take time and care with the drilling of the elevator horns!
Economy: LOP ops Rock! I'm getting far better economy from the 260HP effi
cient '10 than I ever got from my 180HP Maule... in all regimes. No surpri
se in retrospect but I just didn't expect it. Long term effects of LOP? I
'm confident it's the best thing I can do to my engine. Time will tell.
Overall: For this pilot It's hard to imagine a better 4 place homebuilt cru
iser than he '10. Easy and fun to fly, great performance in all respects,
roomy, good looking, etc, etc. I don't have that much experience in that
many aircraft to make credible comparisons so I'll just leave it at that.
One thing it doesn't do well is flying in the convective chop that is comm
on on most sunny days. The nose hunts all over the place, especially in y
aw. I try not to give rides in the middle of the day or below 4k to 6k on
a normal Carolina day.
So What!
Bill "happily buzzing at 6 months and 115 hours" Watson
#40605
MyRV10.com - The RV10 Builders Page<http://www.myrv10.com/>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R=============
========
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy builder. |
I didn't think rudder trim was necessary but I was talked in to
installing it and now I wouldn't be without.
Bill, I think you may have explained something strange that happens to
me in cruise from time to time. Every now and then, in calm air,
straight and level, the plane suddenly yaws to one side pretty
significantly. Enough so that I have to re-trim the rudder. It
really gets my attention.
I assume there is a detectable amount of cross-talk between yaw and
roll. That is, yaw puts in a little roll and vice-verse.
I have auto-trim on the elevator (which I love) and after reading
Bill's note about asymmetric elevator trim, it occurred to me that
maybe at some point the auto-trim moves the tabs through zero, from
slightly rudder-trimmed for left-roll to completely untrimmed for the
new right-roll condition.
Maybe I need auto-yaw...
--Dave Saylor
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
> I have to decent from the Rudder Trim observation. I LOVE having my rudder
> trim. Maybe because we design a trick one for the 10 & 8A but if you want
> the plane perfectly coordinated in most phases of flight (I never bother on
> climb out) having an adjustable rudder trim is nice. One note, I included a
> position sensor which is indicated on my G900x for the 10. After flying for
> a while I figured out we already have a position indicator called the slip
> ball. On the 8A I just installed the servo, no position sensor or indicator
> needed just center the ball. Duhhh
>
>
> Robin
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:21 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy
> builder.
>
>
> Ditto Ditto Ditto Ditto Ditto.... and that's all I have to say.
>
> Don
>
>
> From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:53 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy
> builder.
>
>
> Just a few thoughts that may be of some value.
>
> Rudder Trim: Not really needed
> I've been climbing and cruising at full power. I've been descending at
> high and low power settings. I've found that the 'natural' friction of the
> rudder control system will hold the necessary trim in typical calm cruising
> conditions. The lightest pressure on the right rudder will handle things
> for initial climbout. Though I've made provisions for a spring type rudder
> trim, at this point I don't see any reason to install it.
>
> Trimming for roll: The elevator trim tabs have a significant effect on roll
> trim
> As we all know or will find out, the elevator trim tab setup is disturbingly
> asymmetric in operation. Not a problem, just strange. When doing the final
> setup, there are some guidelines for how this asymmetry should be handled.
> What I've found is that a few turns of the clevis at one trim tab can have a
> noticeable effect on roll trim. So if you seem to require the aileron trim
> to be set one way or the other, consider a small adjustment of the elevator
> trim tabs. You can make noticeable changes while still staying within the
> guidelines for general setup. On a related topic....
>
> Building a 'straight' airframe: This plane just 'snaps' together.... it
> really does (this is a QB statement). There isn't a significant bit of
> jigging required anywhere to build a straight aircraft.... with one possible
> exception... or maybe it was just me. The one task I initially screwed up
> was drilling the elevator horns. I screwed it up so badly that a complete
> rework was required with the gracious help of my Tech Counselor. But even
> with the rework and a second chance to get it right, I ever so slightly
> screwed it again. That is, my elevators are ever so slightly misaligned.
> Grrrrr! I'm living with it now and it's all okay (see "trimming for
> roll"). But, take time and care with the drilling of the elevator horns!
>
> Economy: LOP ops Rock! I'm getting far better economy from the 260HP
> efficient '10 than I ever got from my 180HP Maule... in all regimes. No
> surprise in retrospect but I just didn't expect it. Long term effects of
> LOP? I'm confident it's the best thing I can do to my engine. Time will
> tell.
>
> Overall: For this pilot It's hard to imagine a better 4 place homebuilt
> cruiser than he '10. Easy and fun to fly, great performance in all
> respects, roomy, good looking, etc, etc. I don't have that much experience
> in that many aircraft to make credible comparisons so I'll just leave it at
> that. One thing it doesn't do well is flying in the convective chop that
> is common on most sunny days. The nose hunts all over the place,
> especially in yaw. I try not to give rides in the middle of the day or
> below 4k to 6k on a normal Carolina day.
> So What!
>
> Bill "happily buzzing at 6 months and 115 hours" Watson
> #40605
> MyRV10.com - The RV10 Builders Page
>
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| Subject: | Re: A I just got a new upper intersection fairing from |
Vans
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
I have never found a fairing that fits to my liking without laying up mold release
then 2-3 layers of glass on the fuselage and gear leg and then setting the
prefabbed fairing into it to cure. Pop it off, clean it up, and it'll fit like
a glove. I did the same thing on the empannage intersection fairing.... It
gives the 'molded on' look....
-Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> I guess I should add that it was screwed on with #6 truss heads into those self
locking Riv-nuts or whatever they are called. The Riv-nut things remain in
place... I forget whether all the screws were still there or not. Seems like
the fairing just ripped away. They were the standard Vans part with maybe only
one layer of cloth added.
>
> I would note that the new fairing seems to be of higher quality and I'm thinking
of not adding any additional cloth contrary to the directions. Am I setting
myself up to lose another?
>
> On 2/29/2012 8:55 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> Good question. I don't have a clue. One day during preflight, it wasn't there.
Wish I knew.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On 2/29/2012 8:43 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bill.peyton"
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>> Just out of curiosity, how did the fairing come loose?
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Bill
>>> Aviation Partners, LLC
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV 10 power plant question... |
I am using an IO-540 V4A5. It came out of a 2001 Maule. The fuel servo is h
orizontal and more forward of the D4A5 if you use an elbow to convert it to
horizontal induction. It also rides higher and tighter to the engine. This
has been a challenge fitting the cowl and snorkel which require major surg
ery and fabrication but I am happy with the results so far. Its not flying
yet so I have no idea how my home brew ram air system is going to work.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "JimVillani" <Jim(at)JimVillani.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:11:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV 10 power plant question...
Hey Guys
What other versions of the IO 540 have been successfully installed in the 1
0?
Has anyone installed versions other than the IO 540 D4A5?
If so please advise
I am about 6 months out until I need a power plant
Thanks!!!
Jim Villani
Kit# 41084
Jim(at)JimVillani.com
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| Subject: | Re: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy builder. |
| From: | "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> |
I agree with Robin, i did not have rudder trim on first flight, but it was the
very first thing i added after the 40 hours. The one i have (skunkworks) is less
than ideal with a skunky klunky control knob but i got it working good enough.
I heard rumors a well known aftermarket supplier is working on their own version,
which will undoubtedly be much better than the one i tweaked.
My plane is very sensitive to CG and loading. Aileron trim takes care of side to
side. The rudder trim was important for forward and aft loading. Fwd and aft
sensitivity also varied on speed. I suppose others might get lucky and not have
the same issues.
In cruise with fwd CG, the ball is ever so slightly left. With mid CG, the ball
was always right. With aft CG, the ball was way way right. Now, my rudder trim
is mostly always set slightly biased right in cruise, and my right leg can relax.
I will tweak it slightly left or right based on loading and speed.
Finally, the spring system helps keep the rudder from flopping around so much in
winds. You feel like a helpless lamb the first time you watch your poor rudder
flopping around with the original system while parked without the rudder secured.
I agree about building the plane as true and straight as possible. The truer and
straighter the plane is built, means the easier the finishing stage is when
the whole plane comes together. Later on, it means the easier the maintenance
is when you continue to take things off and on and off and on, etc. This is the
long-term reward for scrapping something or redoing it until it is just right.
Finally, about wind, we get a fair amount of wind on the coast. No plane is immune
to the effects of wind. However, I think the -10 does pretty good compared
to most of the Cessnas at least. I hear them giving pireps to each other to stay
away, which is amusing because I am happy as a clam. We wont do as well as
a Lanciar or Cirrus, but we don't have to land at 120knots either!
Jae
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#40533 RV-10
First flight 10/19/2011
Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy builder. |
Wow, that would be an interesting situation if true. I too have
auto-trim (LOVE IT) but haven't noticed the same thing. Of course, I
usually have a toe or two on the rudders and would probably catch it
without noticing. Will keep an eye out for it.
On 2/29/2012 12:21 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dave Saylor
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> I didn't think rudder trim was necessary but I was talked in to
> installing it and now I wouldn't be without.
>
> Bill, I think you may have explained something strange that happens to
> me in cruise from time to time. Every now and then, in calm air,
> straight and level, the plane suddenly yaws to one side pretty
> significantly. Enough so that I have to re-trim the rudder. It
> really gets my attention.
>
> I assume there is a detectable amount of cross-talk between yaw and
> roll. That is, yaw puts in a little roll and vice-verse.
>
> I have auto-trim on the elevator (which I love) and after reading
> Bill's note about asymmetric elevator trim, it occurred to me that
> maybe at some point the auto-trim moves the tabs through zero, from
> slightly rudder-trimmed for left-roll to completely untrimmed for the
> new right-roll condition.
>
> Maybe I need auto-yaw...
>
> --Dave Saylor
>
>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy builder. |
Well, I still have an almost complete homegrown trim system that I can
install but for now, it will have a hard time making the priority squawk
list.
The slip ball indeed....ha ha! How far we've come.
Bill
On 2/29/2012 11:47 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> I have to decent from the Rudder Trim observation. I LOVE having my
> rudder trim. Maybe because we design a trick one for the 10 & 8A but
> if you want the plane perfectly coordinated in most phases of flight
> (I never bother on climb out) having an adjustable rudder trim is
> nice. One note, I included a position sensor which is indicated on my
> G900x for the 10. After flying for a while I figured out we already
> have a position indicator called the slip ball. On the 8A I just
> installed the servo, no position sensor or indicator needed just
> center the ball. Duhhh
>
> Robin
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don McDonald
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:21 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very
> happy builder.
>
> Ditto Ditto Ditto Ditto Ditto.... and that's all I have to say.
>
> Don
>
> *From:*Bill Watson >
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:53 AM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: A few reflections at 115 hours from a very happy
> builder.
>
> Just a few thoughts that may be of some value.
>
> Rudder Trim: Not really needed
> I've been climbing and cruising at full power. I've been descending
> at high and low power settings. I've found that the 'natural'
> friction of the rudder control system will hold the necessary trim in
> typical calm cruising conditions. The lightest pressure on the right
> rudder will handle things for initial climbout. Though I've made
> provisions for a spring type rudder trim, at this point I don't see
> any reason to install it.
>
> Trimming for roll: The elevator trim tabs have a significant effect on
> roll trim
> As we all know or will find out, the elevator trim tab setup is
> disturbingly asymmetric in operation. Not a problem, just strange.
> When doing the final setup, there are some guidelines for how this
> asymmetry should be handled. What I've found is that a few turns of
> the clevis at one trim tab can have a noticeable effect on roll trim.
> So if you seem to require the aileron trim to be set one way or the
> other, consider a small adjustment of the elevator trim tabs. You can
> make noticeable changes while still staying within the guidelines for
> general setup. On a related topic....
>
> Building a 'straight' airframe: This plane just 'snaps' together....
> it really does (this is a QB statement). There isn't a significant
> bit of jigging required anywhere to build a straight aircraft.... with
> one possible exception... or maybe it was just me. The one task I
> initially screwed up was drilling the elevator horns. I screwed it up
> so badly that a complete rework was required with the gracious help of
> my Tech Counselor. But even with the rework and a second chance to
> get it right, I ever so slightly screwed it again. That is, my
> elevators are ever so slightly misaligned. Grrrrr! I'm living with
> it now and it's all okay (see "trimming for roll"). But, take time
> and care with the drilling of the elevator horns!
>
> Economy: LOP ops Rock! I'm getting far better economy from the 260HP
> efficient '10 than I ever got from my 180HP Maule... in all regimes.
> No surprise in retrospect but I just didn't expect it. Long term
> effects of LOP? I'm confident it's the best thing I can do to my
> engine. Time will tell.
>
> Overall: For this pilot It's hard to imagine a better 4 place
> homebuilt cruiser than he '10. Easy and fun to fly, great
> performance in all respects, roomy, good looking, etc, etc. I don't
> have that much experience in that many aircraft to make credible
> comparisons so I'll just leave it at that. One thing it doesn't do
> well is flying in the convective chop that is common on most sunny
> days. The nose hunts all over the place, especially in yaw. I try
> not to give rides in the middle of the day or below 4k to 6k on a
> normal Carolina day.
> So What!
>
> Bill "happily buzzing at 6 months and 115 hours" Watson
> #40605
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A I just got a new upper intersection fairing from |
Vans
Thanks for that chunk of technique! That's what I'll be doing on this
new one.
On 2/29/2012 12:24 PM, Michael Kraus wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus
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> I have never found a fairing that fits to my liking without laying up mold release
then 2-3 layers of glass on the fuselage and gear leg and then setting the
prefabbed fairing into it to cure. Pop it off, clean it up, and it'll fit
like a glove. I did the same thing on the empannage intersection fairing....
It gives the 'molded on' look....
>
> -Mike
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
True, a matched signal splitter will knock your signal strength down by a factor
of two. But it also will knock down any external noise coming down the coax
by a factor of two as well. What counts is the signal to noise ratio - the receivers
always have plenty of gain.
If you have a good receiver which generates little internal noise, then the splitter
doesn't hurt at all - just turn up the volume.
If your background noise is dominated by noise generated by the electronics of
the receiver itself, then you lose the 2x.
So the answer is, "it depends".
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 10 power plant question... |
I got an O-540-E4B5 from a Cherokee 6-260 and added AFP fuel injection.
fit perfectly without any modifications and used van=99s baffle
kit.
Bob Newman
N541RV
From: JimVillani
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV 10 power plant question...
Hey Guys
What other versions of the IO 540 have been successfully installed in
the 10?
Has anyone installed versions other than the IO 540 D4A5?
If so please advise
I am about 6 months out until I need a power plant
Thanks!!!
Jim Villani
Kit# 41084
Jim(at)JimVillani.com
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Bob,
You have it incorrect. The signal to noise ratio is just that. More gain at the
antenna given the same amount of internally generated receiver noise will yield
a higher S/N ratio through the entire system. Cutting the gain of the antenna
also cuts out externally received, (through the antenna) noise, the the
S/N is unchanged due to the fact that you not only decreased the wanted signal,
but decreased the unwanted signal at the same time. As long as the noise comes
in prior to the radio's antenna connector, inserting a splitter does just
that. It decreases the signal AND the noise by the same exact amount.
I will agree that for the most part, especially when using an externally mounted
antenna, such as a cat wiskers, you have plenty of signal to split between two
VOR receivers. The issue that the Archer antennas present is, they do not
have the gain nor are they mounted in an optimum location on the aircraft. In
addition, with the Archer antenna, you do not have an omnidirectional pattern
due to the mounting location. So having one antenna in each wing tip, connected
to separate receivers is good insurance. So in this instance, maximizing
the signal coming down the coax is a good idea.
Bill
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Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: A I just got a new upper intersection fairing from Vans |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Mike,
do you have any photos of the process and the result? It sounds like a great idea
Bill
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 power plant question... |
| From: | Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
I have an IO-540-N1A5. 260hp
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 29, 2012, at 9:11, "JimVillani" wrote:
> Hey Guys
>
> What other versions of the IO 540 have been successfully installed in the 1
0?
> Has anyone installed versions other than the IO 540 D4A5?
> If so please advise
> I am about 6 months out until I need a power plant
> Thanks!!!
>
> Jim Villani
> Kit# 41084
> Jim(at)JimVillani.com
>
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| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: LED tail light strobe |
Dave, I just purchased the AeoLed Suntail.- It is a awesome little light.
- I think it is quite expensive though.- It took me a long time to talk
myself into buying it.- I haven't installed it yet though, except to try
it out with a battery.- Great company to deal with too.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
--- On Wed, 2/29/12, David Leikam wrote:
From: David Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: LED tail light strobe
Received: Wednesday, February 29, 2012, 5:32 AM
Does anyone know a good source to purchase an LED tail light strobe combo t
o replace my Whelen?- I found a couple but they are out of stock.
Also, does anyone have experience with clear wing walk tape?- Does it dis
color?
Thx.
Dave Leikam
le, List Admin.
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| From: | "maca2790" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au> |
Hi Guys,
I'm getting ready to Bond the Windscreen in but I am worried about how to close
a Gap that is between the Glare Shield and the Windscreen.
On the Starboard side it's worse than the Port side see the attached Photo.
cheers
John MacCallum
41016
VH-DUU
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| Subject: | Fitting Fairing to the Fuselage, how I do it...... |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
Here is a better description of how I fit my fairings..... Can be used
for the gear leg to fuse, gear leg to wheel pant, or rear empennage
intersection fairing.
* Rough cut and dry fit up fairing to airplane. Drill #30 holes in
locations where screws will eventually hold fairing to fuselage. When
satisfied with the fit, draw a marker line on the fuselage around perimeter
of fairing. Remove fairing.
* Use mold release (I use the car wax stuff from Aircraft Spruce) and wipe
it all over the fuselage about 2-4=B2 or more around both sides of the line
you drew. DO NOT FORGET TO DO THIS STEP OR YOU WILL VERY UNHAPPY!!
* Scuff up inside of fairing with 36-40 grit sandpaper on all surfaces wher
e
they will come into contact with the fuselage.
* Clean fairings real good with acetone or similar to remove any
dust/dirt/residue/mold release, etc
* Work on one side of one fairing at a time (for instance, if you are
working on the upper fuselage to gear leg intersection fairing, work on the
fuselage to fairing interface first. Second time around work on the fairin
g
to gear leg interface). Lay up 2-3 layers of approximately 9 oz cloth on
the fuselage over the line drawn in step 1.
* Mix up flox and epoxy to a peanut butter consistency and apply about
1/16=B2-1/8=B2 onto the fairing surface that mates to the fuselage. This will
help fill any gaps that may be present due to poorly formed fairings.
* Mash the fairing onto the fuselage in position. Use
cleco=B9s/clamps/screws/whatever you desire to hold it in place exactly where
you want it until dry.
*
* Once dry, use compressed air to blow it free from the fuselage. Its
amazing how well the compressed air works. Just get a little spot to break
free, then blow air in the spot and the whole thing will pop off pretty
easily.
* Clean the fuselage up with a plastic scraper and acetone and clean real
well.
* Trim the fairing edge as desired to get a smooth edge.
*
* Repeat the process for the other side of the same fairing. For this
example, that would be the upper gear leg to fairing surface (or the lower
line as described above). DON=B9T FORGET THE MOLD RELEASE ON THE SURFACE YOU
DON=B9T WANT IT BONDED TOO!
*
* Once complete, fill and sand, and fill, and sand, and fill, and sand unti
l
it is smooth to your satisfaction.
For the rear empannage intersection fairing, I followed the same process,
but layed up the HS to fairing surface first, then the VS to fairing surfac
e
second.
I hope this is not too confusing. It is actually quite easy, just takes
time.....especially in the Michigan winters when even fast drying epoxy
takes 2 days to cure!
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying and Sold
RV-10 Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
Get it down as tight as you can, then fill the gap with flox and epoxy slurry mixed
to a peanut butter consistency then immediately start your Lay-up.
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, "maca2790" wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
> I'm getting ready to Bond the Windscreen in but I am worried about how to close
a Gap that is between the Glare Shield and the Windscreen.
>
> On the Starboard side it's worse than the Port side see the attached Photo.
>
> cheers
>
> John MacCallum
> 41016
> VH-DUU
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367577#367577
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2035_176.jpg
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| From: | John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com> |
You may also wish to mix a black pigment into the resin so the fabric doesn
't stand out so much while viewing from inside the plane.
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Windscreen Gap
> From: n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net
> Date: Wed=2C 29 Feb 2012 22:38:28 -0500
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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t>
>
> Get it down as tight as you can=2C then fill the gap with flox and epoxy
slurry mixed to a peanut butter consistency then immediately start your Lay
-up.
>
> -Mike Kraus
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 29=2C 2012=2C at 10:10 PM=2C "maca2790" wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Guys=2C
> > I'm getting ready to Bond the Windscreen in but I am worried about how
to close a Gap that is between the Glare Shield and the Windscreen.
> >
> > On the Starboard side it's worse than the Port side see the attached Ph
oto.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > John MacCallum
> > 41016
> > VH-DUU
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367577#367577
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Bill, I think we both said the same thing about S/N ratios...
You left out another small advantage of 2 wing tip antennas, over one split 2 ways:
given the cost of splitters, 2 antennas may be cheaper than 1+splitter!
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
Good point, I used black epoxy dye in all the resin used around all the wind
ows, including the flox.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 29, 2012, at 11:44 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> You may also wish to mix a black pigment into the resin so the fabric does
n't stand out so much while viewing from inside the plane.
>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Windscreen Gap
> > From: n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net
> > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:38:28 -0500
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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et>
> >
> > Get it down as tight as you can, then fill the gap with flox and epoxy s
lurry mixed to a peanut butter consistency then immediately start your Lay-u
p.
> >
> > -Mike Kraus
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, "maca2790" wro
te:
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> > >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > > I'm getting ready to Bond the Windscreen in but I am worried about how
to close a Gap that is between the Glare Shield and the Windscreen.
> > >
> > > On the Starboard side it's worse than the Port side see the attached P
hoto.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > John MacCallum
> > > 41016
> > > VH-DUU
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
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> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367577#367577
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| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
On the narrow gap between the bottom of the windscreen and fuselage itself, f
ill with micro balloons. This is not a structural issue. Sand to make a ni
ce fillet to overlay the cloth.
I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen fairin
g instead of fiberglass. It looks nice from the inside and I find for appli
cations such as this it is easier to work with. Make sure you rough up the g
lass and fuselage bond areas with 30 or so grit paper. I used a bunch of c
heap Harbor Freight black electrical tape to mask off the glass and fuselage
. A couple of layers and it provides a nice sanding shield for your finish m
icro balloon sanding.
Carl
On Feb 29, 2012, at 11:44 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> You may also wish to mix a black pigment into the resin so the fabric does
n't stand out so much while viewing from inside the plane.
>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Windscreen Gap
> > From: n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net
> > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:38:28 -0500
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> >
et>
> >
> > Get it down as tight as you can, then fill the gap with flox and epoxy s
lurry mixed to a peanut butter consistency then immediately start your Lay-u
p.
> >
> > -Mike Kraus
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, "maca2790" wro
te:
> >
>
> > >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > > I'm getting ready to Bond the Windscreen in but I am worried about how
to close a Gap that is between the Glare Shield and the Windscreen.
> > >
> > > On the Starboard side it's worse than the Port side see the attached P
hoto.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > John MacCallum
> > > 41016
> > > VH-DUU
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367577#367577
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Good point Bob. The Archer antennas are a bargain compared to the signal splitters.
Having said all this, I still ran a spare coax back to the tail in case
the Archer's don't work out as planned!
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna locations |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the input everyone!
Although I think I now have more questions than when I started, I've
decided to not decide, but provision for different possibilities while the
VS is still open... mostly with conduit runs and using nutplates for the
tips like Kelly suggested.
Ed
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
> I did modify the design slightly when I made the antenna (a few pieces of
> scrap aluminum, some hardware and a piece of bakelite or fiberglass to make
> the gama match). I did a hard mount (piece of .032 angle) to the outboard
> wing rib such that the antenna stays on the plane when you pull the wing
> tip off. This solves the grounding issues. I also extended the piece that
> angles away from the rib such that the piece that runs parallel to the rib
> is tucked all the way into the outboard edge of the wingtip. This is a
> quarter wavelength antenna - which means the part that does most of the
> work (the high current part) is close to the base. The end of the antenna
> (the high voltage part) provides the electrical length to resonate the
> antenna at the desired frequency. This is why bent whip antennas work as
> well as they do. The part near the base is mostly vertical (communications
> are vertically polarized, VORs are horizontally polarized). I use the one
> antenna for both VOR and GS reception.
>
> As with all antennas, the performance is only as good as the tuning. I
> used an MFJ antenna analyzer to adjust the gama match and the overall
> length to resonance. Most amateur radio operators have one of these
> analyzers and for a quick hop will most likely just make the antenna for
> you.
>
> Someplace I have an old AeroElectric book that provides details for the
> antenna.
>
> Carl
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Bob Condrey wrote:
>
> Kelly,
>
> I don't think he changed the design, it's more that the performance is
> extremely sensitive to installation. Grounding using the wingtip attach
> nutplates (not a wire or strap), routing of other wiring along the edge,
> etc. In fact, I exchanged emails with Bob A. when I did my install in the
> first -10. I was concerned about the heat protective foil from the halogen
> landing light kit - he said to make the antenna as close as possible to the
> foil without touching it. I had one of his antennas in each wingtip (and a
> GS antenna along with it in one tip) and they worked great. I'd routinely
> see 50+ miles when I was actually checking distance. I've also heard of
> really poor performance but without seeing the install hard to say why.
> FWIW, he will readily admit that his wingtip comm antenna is a poor
> performer because of the signal polarization.
>
> Bob
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't think finishing the vertical stab is the time to decide on that
>> antenna. I just closed off the fiberglass tip with Clickbond #4 nutplates
>> and #4 flush screws instead of rivets, so I can get in there if I ever
>> decide I want something there. Yes, it adds about $20 to overall cost, but
>> to me that is easier than having to drill out rivets if the need arises.
>> *I'd be interested in what changes were made to the Bob Archer design to
>> improve the range. If 40+ mile range is possible,* I'd much rather have
>> antenna in wingtip. OTOH, on other planes I have gotten 100+ mile range at
>> 10K cruising alt on H class VORs.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I also started with a large gap such as you have. I was able to narrow it down
a bit by some additional sanding at the front. I still ended up with an 1/8
on the right side. I mixed up a peanut butter consistency of West 404 and 105
epoxy structural filler to fill the gap. The issue you have with leaving the
gap is when you finish the side for paint, you will end up with a bulge. Be
sure to paint the area directly under the window with whatever color you are going
to end up with on the dash, it is easy to do prior and hard to do after.
If you are going to use textile on the dash, paint the color of the material
around the edges where the plexi meets the metal. You might also consider painting
a mask on the INSIDE of the plexi around the entire perimeter. This will
hide any gaps or bad areas of glass seen from the inside. Also be sure you
add black dye to the epoxy. You can obtain this from West Marine.
--------
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WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: LED tail light strobe |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
arplnplt(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Does anyone know a good source to purchase an LED tail light strobe combo to
replace my Whelen? I found a couple but they are out of stock.
> Also, does anyone have experience with clear wing walk tape? Does it discolor?
> Thx.
>
> Dave Leikam
I used Kuntzleman lights. No problems. As far as the clear wing walk, I bought
some from Aircraft Spruce. Put it on one wing and absolutely hated it. Thankfully,
it came off without damaging the paint.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I went with a metal fairing instead. Got it from M.L. Skunk Works. Here is his
site:
http://www.mlblueskunk.com/Windscreen_Fairings.html
John
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
| From: | "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com> |
"I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen fairing
instead of fiberglass."
I thought I read somewhere that you should not use carbon fiber cloth in direct
contact with aluminum because it promotes corrosion. Not sure if this is a tale
or based in fact - but probably worth further research.
--------
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4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Corrosion - was Windscreen Gap |
Yep - the warning is to avoid aluminum contact with finished carbon on
fittings and such. This typically (as I understand it) is transitioning
carbon tubing to an aluminum fitting. In this case you have the condition
of moisture trapped between the two dissimilar but conductive materials,
creating the corrosion potential.
In my application carbon fiber and epoxy where applied to the aluminum skin
in assembly. This eliminates the issue.
Expanding the topic, this highlights the typical corrosion issues in our
planes. Mainly steal bolts in aluminum holes (e.g. spar bolts) and steel
gear legs in steel gear leg mounts. I use a liberal amount of white grease
for all such metal to metal contact. Some may recall when Van's did the SB
on the two seat tri-gear RVs to modify the front gear leg. Many needed a
torch to get the gear leg out of the mount because of corrosion. On my 8A
the leg slipped right out - 8 years after install.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Windscreen Gap
"I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen
fairing instead of fiberglass."
I thought I read somewhere that you should not use carbon fiber cloth in
direct contact with aluminum because it promotes corrosion. Not sure if
this is a tale or based in fact - but probably worth further research.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
It is a fact. The material has both advantages and clear disadvantages.
Fasteners are usually the first to fail.
Search out the " Nobility" table of materials.
John #40600.
On Mar 2, 2012 5:26 AM, "jkreidler" wrote:
> jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com>
>
> "I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen
> fairing instead of fiberglass."
>
> I thought I read somewhere that you should not use carbon fiber cloth in
> direct contact with aluminum because it promotes corrosion. Not sure if
> this is a tale or based in fact - but probably worth further research.
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367629#367629
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
The different conductivity of aluminum vs. carbon is increased by using the
aluminum as the aircraft voltage ground return path. The carbon can retain
moisture. Adhesives of carbon to aluminum and carbon to other fibers set
off the difference - Nobility Table. One technique is a cloth boundary
between the two dissimilar materials. Then all the electron flow is
through the fasteners. Carbon, Kevlar, combinations bring a higher level
of sophistication that "Good old E glass or S glass" against aluminum
alclad.
Research the FAA AC pubs on Inspection Techniques for various forms of
corrosion. Research builders of plastic aircraft for the challenges such
as the carbon cub, Lancair Evolution, Legacy or comparable builds. All
decisions carry risk. Weigh them and fly safe.
John
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:31 AM, John Cox wrote:
> It is a fact. The material has both advantages and clear disadvantages.
> Fasteners are usually the first to fail.
>
> Search out the " Nobility" table of materials.
>
> John #40600.
> On Mar 2, 2012 5:26 AM, "jkreidler"
> wrote:
>
>> jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com>
>>
>> "I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen
>> fairing instead of fiberglass."
>>
>> I thought I read somewhere that you should not use carbon fiber cloth in
>> direct contact with aluminum because it promotes corrosion. Not sure if
>> this is a tale or based in fact - but probably worth further research.
>>
>> --------
>> Jason Kreidler
>> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
>> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
>> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367629#367629
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | "egodfrey(at)ameritech.net" <egodfrey(at)ameritech.net> |
| Subject: | Cee Baileys windows |
For those of you who have ordered the Cee Baileys windows, what
level of tint did you order that would match the windscreen. They have
the clear, light gray and light green. I have called them and they did
not know and said that they would get back to me. Am still waiting.
Ed Godfrey
40717
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cee Baileys windows |
Get the clear. You will be very happy you went with the Cee baileys versus
the Vans. The one I got was plug n play I needed to make some minor
adjustments that took all of 30 minutes, but truthfully I could have
installed it without touching a thing. I had the Vans initially and it took
me hours to get it right, than to discover there is a bulge on the copilot
seat. Actually night an day comparison.
I did not install the sides but I hear they are plug n play as well.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: egodfrey(at)ameritech.net
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Cee Baileys windows
For those of you who have ordered the Cee Baileys windows, what
level of tint did you order that would match the windscreen. They have
the clear, light gray and light green. I have called them and they did
not know and said that they would get back to me. Am still waiting.
Ed Godfrey
40717
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| Subject: | Did I wreck my rudder skin? |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
After final drilling my rudder skin, I got to the step about putting a
slight bend in the rudder skin at the trailing edge. I bought the
Cleaveland Tools edge forming tool for just these situations. Well, I
managed to mangle the edge by using too much pressure and going too fast...
and it seems to have stretched the skin a bit.
After the debacle with the first skin, I went light an slow on the second
skin and the edge came out perfectly.
I went over the first skin the opposite way to take some of the bad bends
out, then made a bend in the correct direction to smooth it as much as
possible, but the edge is pretty wavy. I was sure the skin was junk, but I
figured I'd cleco it up with the good skin and wedge to see how it lays...
and it doesn't look too bad.
I'm leaning towards attempting to use the skin, but what do you all think?
I'm attaching a pic of the bad skin, the good skin, and the two jointed
together.
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| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Did I wreck my rudder skin? |
As long as the trailing edge is straight, I would build on.
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kranz
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 4:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Did I wreck my rudder skin?
After final drilling my rudder skin, I got to the step about putting a
slight bend in the rudder skin at the trailing edge. I bought the Cleaveland
Tools edge forming tool for just these situations. Well, I managed to mangle
the edge by using too much pressure and going too fast... and it seems to
have stretched the skin a bit.
After the debacle with the first skin, I went light an slow on the second
skin and the edge came out perfectly.
I went over the first skin the opposite way to take some of the bad bends
out, then made a bend in the correct direction to smooth it as much as
possible, but the edge is pretty wavy. I was sure the skin was junk, but I
figured I'd cleco it up with the good skin and wedge to see how it lays...
and it doesn't look too bad.
I'm leaning towards attempting to use the skin, but what do you all think?
I'm attaching a pic of the bad skin, the good skin, and the two jointed
together.
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| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
True, but if the carbon is encased in epoxy, there shouldn't be an issue.
bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Windscreen Gap
-->
"I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen
fairing instead of fiberglass."
I thought I read somewhere that you should not use carbon fiber cloth in
direct contact with aluminum because it promotes corrosion. Not sure if
this is a tale or based in fact - but probably worth further research.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| From: | "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | Did I wreck my rudder skin? |
I agree. If I remember right, you proseal it anyway.
Did you create a riveting plate to do the trailing edge? If so, that will
help keep it straight..
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Did I wreck my rudder skin?
As long as the trailing edge is straight, I would build on.
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kranz
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 4:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Did I wreck my rudder skin?
After final drilling my rudder skin, I got to the step about putting a
slight bend in the rudder skin at the trailing edge. I bought the Cleaveland
Tools edge forming tool for just these situations. Well, I managed to mangle
the edge by using too much pressure and going too fast... and it seems to
have stretched the skin a bit.
After the debacle with the first skin, I went light an slow on the second
skin and the edge came out perfectly.
I went over the first skin the opposite way to take some of the bad bends
out, then made a bend in the correct direction to smooth it as much as
possible, but the edge is pretty wavy. I was sure the skin was junk, but I
figured I'd cleco it up with the good skin and wedge to see how it lays...
and it doesn't look too bad.
I'm leaning towards attempting to use the skin, but what do you all think?
I'm attaching a pic of the bad skin, the good skin, and the two jointed
together.
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| Subject: | Re: Did I wreck my rudder skin? |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
I'm going to use the angle-iron method, cleco every hole, and use the
clothespin trick that I've seen a few builders use to stop pillowing
between rivets while the pro-seal sets (especially important to me now that
the one edge is a little stretched...)
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
> I agree. If I remember right, you proseal it anyway.****
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
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> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 3:15 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 4:39 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Did I wreck my rudder skin?****
>
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>
> After final drilling my rudder skin, I got to the step about putting a
> slight bend in the rudder skin at the trailing edge. I bought the
> Cleaveland Tools edge forming tool for just these situations. Well, I
> managed to mangle the edge by using too much pressure and going too fast.
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> After the debacle with the first skin, I went light an slow on the second
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>
> I went over the first skin the opposite way to take some of the bad bends
> out, then made a bend in the correct direction to smooth it as much as
> possible, but the edge is pretty wavy. I was sure the skin was junk, but
I
> figured I'd cleco it up with the good skin and wedge to see how it lays..
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> and it doesn't look too bad.****
>
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| Subject: | Re: Did I wreck my rudder skin? |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
It'll probably turn out ok, but it's hard to say for sure.
You are definitely putting way too much of a bend in the skin edge. You just want
to break the edge a very slight amount. Almost where you can't see the bend
line. You just need an ever so slight bend and you'll be fine.
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Ed Kranz wrote:
> After final drilling my rudder skin, I got to the step about putting a slight
bend in the rudder skin at the trailing edge. I bought the Cleaveland Tools edge
forming tool for just these situations. Well, I managed to mangle the edge
by using too much pressure and going too fast... and it seems to have stretched
the skin a bit.
>
> After the debacle with the first skin, I went light an slow on the second skin
and the edge came out perfectly.
>
> I went over the first skin the opposite way to take some of the bad bends out,
then made a bend in the correct direction to smooth it as much as possible,
but the edge is pretty wavy. I was sure the skin was junk, but I figured I'd cleco
it up with the good skin and wedge to see how it lays... and it doesn't look
too bad.
>
> I'm leaning towards attempting to use the skin, but what do you all think?
>
> I'm attaching a pic of the bad skin, the good skin, and the two jointed together.
>
>
>
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| From: | <lewgall(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Did I wreck my rudder skin? |
Hey Ed,
What the others are saying. The pictures look like it pulls together
very well. Keep in mind that more than likely you are going to paint
your plane. We thought we had done a pretty good job on the rudder
until we got much further along in the build and cringed when we looked
back at our first stage of building. So before priming/painting, I
simply went back over the rudder and filled any dings with epoxy/micro
beads, sanded it flush, and after priming/paint, it looks perfect. For
those who are proud of their rivet work, or want to be judged for best
of show =93 don=99t fill your rivets. I kind of like the
=9Cplastic plane=9D slick look, so I filled all the rivets
in/around all leading edges, and most in the tail section. No problems
2.5 yrs. out.
Later, =93 Lew
From: Ed Kranz
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 4:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Did I wreck my rudder skin?
After final drilling my rudder skin, I got to the step about putting a
slight bend in the rudder skin at the trailing edge. I bought the
Cleaveland Tools edge forming tool for just these situations. Well, I
managed to mangle the edge by using too much pressure and going too
fast... and it seems to have stretched the skin a bit.
After the debacle with the first skin, I went light an slow on the
second skin and the edge came out perfectly.
I went over the first skin the opposite way to take some of the bad
bends out, then made a bend in the correct direction to smooth it as
much as possible, but the edge is pretty wavy. I was sure the skin was
junk, but I figured I'd cleco it up with the good skin and wedge to see
how it lays... and it doesn't look too bad.
I'm leaning towards attempting to use the skin, but what do you all
think?
I'm attaching a pic of the bad skin, the good skin, and the two jointed
together.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Did I wreck my rudder skin? |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
Ed,
You'll be fine. Build on!
John
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| Subject: | Re: New Gust Lock |
| From: | "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com> |
Robin, nice design, is this something your planning to sell? I am getting ready
for Sun-N-Fun and need a new gust lock. Ours was lost last year during the
tornado.
By the way, we do have crotch belts in the front seats. We ran cables from two
bolts on the back of the seat (kind of made a Y) so the belt moves back and forth
with the seat. Bad explanation, no pics sorry - but it is possible and I
really like having the belt there to keep the lap belt positioned correctly down
low across the hips.
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4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Gust Lock |
Jason. Not trying to sell just share with the community. It works extremely well
but one has to be willing to add the stick tab. The tab has been a non issue
since install and the lock is rock solid.
Good luck,
Robin
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
jkreidler wrote:
Robin, nice design, is this something your planning to sell? I am getting ready
for Sun-N-Fun and need a new gust lock. Ours was lost last year during the
tornado.
By the way, we do have crotch belts in the front seats. We ran cables from two
bolts on the back of the seat (kind of made a Y) so the belt moves back and forth
with the seat. Bad explanation, no pics sorry - but it is possible and I
really like having the belt there to keep the lap belt positioned correctly down
low across the hips.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: New Gust Lock |
| From: | "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com> |
Thanks Robin - I was looking for the easy way out! :)
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367704#367704
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| From: | "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero> |
| Subject: | A little press coverage |
Just the local-yokel paper, but hey, it was on the front page!
http://www.wickedlocal.com/hingham/topstories/x565046221/Hingham-pilots-sup
port-Fisher-House-program#axzz1oIyuQZPZ
Tim D-T
N52KS
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| From: | "hsdexo" <hsdexo(at)yahoo.com> |
I read in my Farm-press magazine yesterday that the FCC has revoked light-squared
permission to pursue there 4g attempt because they could not do it with out
interference.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367846#367846
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| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A little press coverage |
Great article. Promotes aviation awareness and the Fisher House!
----- Original Message -----
From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
To: RV10-List Digest Server
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 6:50 AM
Subject: RV10-List: A little press coverage
Just the local-yokel paper, but hey, it was on the front page!
http://www.wickedlocal.com/hingham/topstories/x565046221/Hingham-pilots-s
upport-Fisher-House-program#axzz1oIyuQZPZ
Tim D-T
N52KS
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| Subject: | Re: A little press coverage |
| From: | Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net> |
Very nice Tim. Where are you flying up to KLCI?
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:50 AM, "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" wrote:
> Just the local-yokel paper, but hey, it was on the front page!
>
> http://www.wickedlocal.com/hingham/topstories/x565046221/Hingham-pilots-su
pport-Fisher-House-program#axzz1oIyuQZPZ
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> Tim D-T
> N52KS
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| From: | "Steve Stella" <sstella(at)incisaledge.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A little press coverage |
Great write up Tim to a great case. Good seeing you this weekend.
Steve
From: Alan Mekler MD
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: A little press coverage
Very nice Tim. Where are you flying up to KLCI?
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:50 AM, "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy"
wrote:
Just the local-yokel paper, but hey, it was on the front page!
http://www.wickedlocal.com/hingham/topstories/x565046221/Hingham-pilots-s
upport-Fisher-House-program#axzz1oIyuQZPZ
Tim D-T
N52KS
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
flashing; the button on screen and on the unit either did not work or
performed different functions. The charge value was between 27-37%. The unit
could not be powered down. I put it on charge and after a few minutes it
performed normally. My first thought was that my daughter had loaded some
new app but this morning I read that a large solar flare engulfed the earth
last night. Did anyone else experience any strange computer phenomena last
night?
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| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
Nothing strange on my iPad. Did you try to force a power-down by holding
both buttons for more than 5 seconds? I've had some iDevices freeze until a
hard reset.
If it's still acting up, there is always the Genius Bar. They've replaced
hardware for me, even when the failure was my fault (like dropping my 1 day
old iPhone 4), or my MacBook motherboard even though I bought it 4.5 years
ago.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:19 AM, DLM wrote:
> flashing; the button on screen and on the unit either did not work or
> performed different functions. The charge value was between 27-37%. The
> unit could not be powered down. I put it on charge and after a few minutes
> it performed normally. My first thought was that my daughter had loaded
> some new app but this morning I read that a large solar flare engulfed the
> earth last night. Did anyone else experience any strange computer phenomena
> last night?****
>
> *
>
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| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 3/8/2012 9:19 AM, DLM wrote:
>
>
We get it. This is just an excuse to tell your wife so you can go
buy the new iPad 3? ;-)
-Dj
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| From: | "Dick & Vicki Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net> |
It might have been caused by the big solar storm reported on the news
last night. The news said it may effect GPS and other sensitive
electronics.
Dick Sipp
From: DLM
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Apple users
flashing; the button on screen and on the unit either did not work or
performed different functions. The charge value was between 27-37%. The
unit could not be powered down. I put it on charge and after a few
minutes it performed normally. My first thought was that my daughter had
loaded some new app but this morning I read that a large solar flare
engulfed the earth last night. Did anyone else experience any strange
computer phenomena last night?
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
Wrong; I was mistakenly on her case about it because she and my daughter had
been downloading and using it for several hours.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Apple users
On 3/8/2012 9:19 AM, DLM wrote:
We get it. This is just an excuse to tell your wife so you can go buy
the new iPad 3? ;-)
-Dj
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: list of kudos |
I had a fellow mentor and RV-10 pilot in town this week. Anytime
he=99s in town I take advantage of his humble knowledge. This week
he helped with all sorts of loose issues, which of course opened up
numerous other items to be tightened and adjusted. One item I have been
fighting from the start has been oil! It has been on the bottom and back
of my engine from day one. Appears there is a issue somewhere on the
bottom front of the case that oil drips out of- while standing still.
AMERICA=99s Engine told me they would do whatever I needed to get
the issue resolved. They had their engine builder call me and discuss
options to minimize the leaks. It will be a long process and hopefully
it will get resolved but I give Kudos to them for standing by their
product, regardless of time and any warranty- neither ever brought up
Another oil leak I have is from my CURTIS oil drain valve. I called
Curtis, a small company a few months back and they told me to do a few
things. The issue was not resolved and they are sending me a new valve,
again kudos to them for making the process easy.
Another great kudos goes out to DYNON, they are outstanding in taking
care of their customers. Everytime I call them for help they are quick
to respond and work with me to get the issues completed. They have sent
me new hardware, in the form of a Autopilot servo and bracket, without
question, when they realized that the servo they had in the past was not
a good solution for the RV-10, no upgrade fees nothing. This is only one
of many times they have spared no expense to resolve my issues.
I want to assure others know that there are so many companies out there
that are excellent with customer service. If one is on the wall between
an expensive certified PFD or a Dynon that is almost as nice, but free
database updates for life, just know that these companies will take care
of you.
Pascal
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| From: | "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill(at)cox.net> |
I have a source for an (approx.) 19 gal welded aluminum tank that
installs directly behind the rear seats. Mods to the baggage floor must
be made before the floor is closed up, which include two additional ribs
and hard points for nutplates for steel straps that anchor the tank. The
tank takes up about 2/3 of the volume and all of the weight capacity of
the baggage area (when full). It is easily removable thru the baggage
door. Provisions for electrical, plumbing, venting, and filling are made
to pump the fuel into the left main tank as in similar certified
installations. The tank includes a machined, flush, fuel cap port that
is glassed into the cabin top. You provide a vertical, marine type,
capacitance sender, which are compatible with a standard gauge or any of
the EMS/EFIS systems. The cost is $650 plus shipping. Email me off-list
for contact information if your interested.
Chris Hukill
back at it after 8 month "distraction"
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| Subject: | Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
| From: | William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com> |
Bill/Tom,
Did you ever receive you ADS-B unit from Navworx? I'm still waiting on
word/eturn of my unit sent in for upgrade back in September.
>According to Bill Moffit, one of the planned software upgrades is to give
GPS output. I want to use this to drive my ELT. Hopefully, it will come
with this software upgrade. Given that we already have to enter a number of
software commands into the ADS-600B for setup and ID purposes, I don=92t
understand why Navworx doesn=92t make the software available for online
downloading as opposed to requiring the unit to be sent back in.
>Tom H.
>>Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
>>I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade
back in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that "they
are trying to get the latest software into all units prior to shipment." He
gave me the option for them to ship it now, but if they did, "I would have
to return it before it will support an future software upgrades, new
features, etc." I opted to wait.
>>
>>William
>>-----------
--
William
N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
I received a software update (3.10.0) from Bill on Feb. 27. I just
installed it Friday and I haven't flown with it yet but it seems to have
resolved an issue that the last two didn't address. I sent my unit back to
them about a month ago and was pleasantly surprised to have it turned
around pretty quickly.
But I know how you feel. It's usually pretty quiet at Navworx...
--Dave Saylor
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:35 PM, William Curtis wrote:
> Bill/Tom,
>
> Did you ever receive you ADS-B unit from Navworx? I'm still waiting on
> word/eturn of my unit sent in for upgrade back in September.
>
>
> >According to Bill Moffit, one of the planned software upgrades is to giv
e
> GPS output. I want to use this to drive my ELT. Hopefully, it will come
> with this software upgrade. Given that we already have to enter a number
of
> software commands into the ADS-600B for setup and ID purposes, I don
=99t
> understand why Navworx doesn=99t make the software available for on
line
> downloading as opposed to requiring the unit to be sent back in.
> >Tom H.
>
> >>Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
> >>I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade
> back in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that "th
ey
> are trying to get the latest software into all units prior to shipment."
He
> gave me the option for them to ship it now, but if they did, "I would hav
e
> to return it before it will support an future software upgrades, new
> features, etc." I opted to wait.
> >>
> >>William
> >>-----------
>
>
> --
>
> William
> N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
>
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| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
This a comment I received from Bill about a month ago. I've not received
any communication since then.
"There is a new software release, but it's in beta testing right now.
You'll be notified when it's available."
I just sent him the following question, but I'll ask it here since there are
plenty of folks that have already installed an ADS600-B. I was finishing
the wiring for mine this afternoon, when I noticed an omission.
In the 10/31/2011 version of the ADS600-B manual, it highlights connecting
the RS-232 output from the GTX-327 to Pin 33 for transponder control. On
the ADS600 to AFS page, it highlights connecting Pin 35 for Transponder
suppression.
Although it's not formally documented on the GTX-327 page, I'm assuming that
I need to connect pin 35 on the ADS600-B to pin 17 on the GTX-327, which is
the external suppression pin. Is my assumption correct
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
Bill/Tom,
Did you ever receive you ADS-B unit from Navworx? I'm still waiting on
word/eturn of my unit sent in for upgrade back in September.
>According to Bill Moffit, one of the planned software upgrades is to give
GPS output. I want to use this to drive my ELT. Hopefully, it will come with
this software upgrade. Given that we already have to enter a number of
software commands into the ADS-600B for setup and ID purposes, I don't
understand why Navworx doesn't make the software available for online
downloading as opposed to requiring the unit to be sent back in.
>Tom H.
>>Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
>>I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade back
in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that "they are
trying to get the latest software into all units prior to shipment." He gave
me the option for them to ship it now, but if they did, "I would have to
return it before it will support an future software upgrades, new features,
etc." I opted to wait.
>>
>>William
>>-----------
--
William
N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| From: | "Tom Hanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
Bill,
I last spoke with Moffit approximately two months ago and decided not to
send my unit in as Moffit said that he didn't have the hardware needed for
upgrades at that time.
I'm copying my friend Hugo on this email. He sent his unit in and was still
waiting.
Hugo, any details on what's going on with your unit.
I guess Navworx goes on my list of people I need to talk to at Sun and Fun.
DAR final inspection tomorrow at 10 AM. Hoo Yah!!!!
Tom
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
Bill/Tom,
Did you ever receive you ADS-B unit from Navworx? I'm still waiting on
word/eturn of my unit sent in for upgrade back in September.
>According to Bill Moffit, one of the planned software upgrades is to give
GPS output. I want to use this to drive my ELT. Hopefully, it will come with
this software upgrade. Given that we already have to enter a number of
software commands into the ADS-600B for setup and ID purposes, I don't
understand why Navworx doesn't make the software available for online
downloading as opposed to requiring the unit to be sent back in.
>Tom H.
>>Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
>>I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade back
in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that "they are
trying to get the latest software into all units prior to shipment." He gave
me the option for them to ship it now, but if they did, "I would have to
return it before it will support an future software upgrades, new features,
etc." I opted to wait.
>>
>>William
>>-----------
--
William
N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
I rec'd a unit a couple of weeks ago.
Unfortunately I haven't really gotten into the technical details of the
installation but it looks like I may have ordered a unit without the
ARINC module. I'm thinking that with GRT HX units, a GTX327 and G430
that ARINC is needed. I have a wiring harness from FastStack that I
think assumes ARINC support. Looking forward to talking to NavWorx
tomorrow.
Bill Watson
On 3/11/2012 7:35 PM, William Curtis wrote:
> Bill/Tom,
> Did you ever receive you ADS-B unit from Navworx? I'm still waiting
> on word/eturn of my unit sent in for upgrade back in September.
>
> >According to Bill Moffit, one of the planned software upgrades is
> to give GPS output. I want to use this to drive my ELT. Hopefully,
> it will come with this software upgrade. Given that we already
> have to enter a number of software commands into the ADS-600B for
> setup and ID purposes, I dont understand why Navworx doesnt make
> the software available for online downloading as opposed to
> requiring the unit to be sent back in.
> >Tom H.
> >>Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
> >>I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for
> upgrade back in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt
> yesterday that "they are trying to get the latest software into
> all units prior to shipment." He gave me the option for them to
> ship it now, but if they did, "I would have to return it before it
> will support an future software upgrades, new features, etc." I
> opted to wait.
> >>
> >>William
> >>-----------
>
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| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
I don't think arnic is a requirement. Most of the efis vendors support the d
isplay port output which is rs232.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 11, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
I rec'd a unit a couple of weeks ago.
Unfortunately I haven't really gotten into the technical details of the inst
allation but it looks like I may have ordered a unit without the ARINC modul
e. I'm thinking that with GRT HX units, a GTX327 and G430 that ARINC is nee
ded. I have a wiring harness from FastStack that I think assumes ARINC supp
ort. Looking forward to talking to NavWorx tomorrow.
Bill Watson
On 3/11/2012 7:35 PM, William Curtis wrote:
>
> Bill/Tom,
>
> Did you ever receive you ADS-B unit from Navworx? I'm still waiting on wo
rd/eturn of my unit sent in for upgrade back in September.
>
> >According to Bill Moffit, one of the planned software upgrades is to give
GPS output. I want to use this to drive my ELT. Hopefully, it will come wit
h this software upgrade. Given that we already have to enter a number of sof
tware commands into the ADS-600B for setup and ID purposes, I don=99t u
nderstand why Navworx doesn=99t make the software available for online
downloading as opposed to requiring the unit to be sent back in.
> >Tom H.
>
> >>Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
> >>I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade ba
ck in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that "they ar
e trying to get the latest software into all units prior to shipment." He ga
ve me the option for them to ship it now, but if they did, "I would have to r
eturn it before it will support an future software upgrades, new features, e
tc." I opted to wait.
> >>
> >>William
> >>-----------
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| From: | Barry Marz <blalmarz(at)embarqmail.com> |
I want to mount my IPAD on the tunnel forward of the fuel selector.
What mounts work good in that location? Thanks Barry
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| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
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| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
Still not a requirement.
I have the display port (wx & traffic) going to the afs4500 and the tis port
going to the gtn650. Both are serial.
Arnic may have some other benefits, but for the $$. I stayed with the serial
connections.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2012, at 11:32 AM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote:
You likely only need ARINC if you want to send traffic to a Garmin like the G
NS or GTN.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
I don't think arnic is a requirement. Most of the efis vendors support the d
isplay port output which is rs232.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 11, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
I rec'd a unit a couple of weeks ago.
Unfortunately I haven't really gotten into the technical details of the inst
allation but it looks like I may have ordered a unit without the ARINC modul
e. I'm thinking that with GRT HX units, a GTX327 and G430 that ARINC is nee
ded. I have a wiring harness from FastStack that I think assumes ARINC supp
ort. Looking forward to talking to NavWorx tomorrow.
Bill Watson
On 3/11/2012 7:35 PM, William Curtis wrote:
Bill/Tom,
Did you ever receive you ADS-B unit from Navworx? I'm still waiting on word
/eturn of my unit sent in for upgrade back in September.
>According to Bill Moffit, one of the planned software upgrades is to give G
PS output. I want to use this to drive my ELT. Hopefully, it will come with t
his software upgrade. Given that we already have to enter a number of softwa
re commands into the ADS-600B for setup and ID purposes, I don=99t und
erstand why Navworx doesn=99t make the software available for online d
ownloading as opposed to requiring the unit to be sent back in.
>Tom H.
>>Subject: Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
>>I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade back
in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that "they are t
rying to get the latest software into all units prior to shipment." He gave m
e the option for them to ship it now, but if they did, "I would have to retu
rn it before it will support an future software upgrades, new features, etc.
" I opted to wait.
>>
>>William
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
Well, I have a GNS 430W but I didn't envision it as a primary source of
traffic info... if it would display it at all. I'm guessing that the
430 would probably display traffic if connected via ARINC. My wire
harness from FastStack is wired for it but FastStack can't confirm
whether it would function that way and Garmin probably has no opinion.
Hoping to talk to Bill at Navworx soon.
Different question; why the heck, with all the GPS receivers I have,
can't the Navworx box use one of those signals instead of requiring yet
another GPS antenna? Seems like we're going from "bristling with
antenna whips" to "covered with GPS boils". But apparently it doesn't
so....
Bill "antenna shopping and siting once again" Watson
On 3/12/2012 11:32 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> You likely only need ARINC if you want to send traffic to a Garmin
> like the GNS or GTN.
>
> Michael
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob Leffler
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:17 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
>
> I don't think arnic is a requirement. Most of the efis vendors support
> the display port output which is rs232.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Bill Watson > wrote:
>
> I rec'd a unit a couple of weeks ago.
>
> Unfortunately I haven't really gotten into the technical details of
> the installation but it looks like I may have ordered a unit without
> the ARINC module. I'm thinking that with GRT HX units, a GTX327 and
> G430 that ARINC is needed. I have a wiring harness from FastStack
> that I think assumes ARINC support. Looking forward to talking to
> NavWorx tomorrow.
>
> Bill Watson
>
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
The good news is that you don't need much of an antenna. I'm using this on
the glare shield and it works just fine:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/garminAcss5.php
It was left over from our 696, which doesn't need an external antenna. I
cut off the extra wire and put a TNC on it, but I used a bunch of adapters
before I got around to that.
I also learned that the larger antenna from a 496 doesn't work.
--Dave Saylor
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Well, I have a GNS 430W but I didn't envision it as a primary source of
> traffic info... if it would display it at all. I'm guessing that the 430
> would probably display traffic if connected via ARINC. My wire harness
> from FastStack is wired for it but FastStack can't confirm whether it would
> function that way and Garmin probably has no opinion. Hoping to talk to
> Bill at Navworx soon.
>
> Different question; why the heck, with all the GPS receivers I have, can't
> the Navworx box use one of those signals instead of requiring yet another
> GPS antenna? Seems like we're going from "bristling with antenna whips" to
> "covered with GPS boils". But apparently it doesn't so....
>
> Bill "antenna shopping and siting once again" Watson
>
>
> On 3/12/2012 11:32 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> You likely only need ARINC if you want to send traffic to a Garmin like
> the GNS or GTN.****
>
> ** **
>
> Michael****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Bob Leffler
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:17 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> I don't think arnic is a requirement. Most of the efis vendors support the
> display port output which is rs232.
>
> Sent from my iPhone****
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Bill Watson wrote:***
> *
>
> I rec'd a unit a couple of weeks ago.
>
> Unfortunately I haven't really gotten into the technical details of the
> installation but it looks like I may have ordered a unit without the ARINC
> module. I'm thinking that with GRT HX units, a GTX327 and G430 that ARINC
> is needed. I have a wiring harness from FastStack that I think assumes
> ARINC support. Looking forward to talking to NavWorx tomorrow.
>
> Bill Watson
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net> |
I used the RAM cradle and lil buddy suction cup. Works very well and easy to remove.
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Barry Marz wrote:
>
> I want to mount my IPAD on the tunnel forward of the fuel selector. What mounts
work good in that location? Thanks Barry
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | Lightspeed engineering |
Having heard of difficulties in the past; has anyone current experience with
the buying, installing and support process of the Plasma III six cylinder
system from Lightspeed engineering?
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| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
I have it on my IO-540-N1A5 built by Aerosport with 185 hours and have
had no issues. I'm still impressed with the 20 rpm drop during the
"mag" check. Even though my spark plugs looked close to new at 150
hours I swapped them for newer ones.
----- Original Message -----
From: DLM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lightspeed engineering
Having heard of difficulties in the past; has anyone current
experience with the buying, installing and support process of the Plasma
III six cylinder system from Lightspeed engineering?
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| From: | Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
I have had the same experience on the same engine after more than 300 hours. N661G
On Mar 12, 2012, at 2:21 PM, DLM wrote:
> Having heard of difficulties in the past; has anyone current experience with
the buying, installing and support process of the Plasma III six cylinder system
from Lightspeed engineering?
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Lightspeed engineering |
The 6 cylinder P-Mag will be available any day now. Oh check that, I was re
calling a conversation I had with them at SNF and OSH and SNF and OSH and..
.
I will be going P-Mag when FINALLY available. I love the one on my 8A.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lightspeed engineering
Having heard of difficulties in the past; has anyone current experience wit
h the buying, installing and support process of the Plasma III six cylinder
system from Lightspeed engineering?
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Anyone near Myrtle Beach SC or Naples Fl? |
I am planning a trip down the south of the US from California to Myrtle
Beach, than down to Naples Florida in mid June. I am looking for smaller
airports and anyone in the area that can recommend a place to park my
plane in either/both locations.
I have the route going out covered, but am wide open for returning from
Florida to SoCal. I plan to stop 2-3 times on the way back and would
welcome any feedback on places to stay for the night. Two daughters that
would love a pool, if that helps!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
Great product.... Can't say the same for their customer interface. If you c
all, make sure you memorized the manual first, which I did. Then he will co
ntinue to blame you for everything, just like he did for me when he drilled t
he magnet holes in the wrong place. It was my fault because I didn't tell h
im where the holes were supposed to be?!?!? Really!?!?!
-Mike Kraus
I really like the Lightspeed because I no longer have to talk to Klaus
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "DLM" wrote:
> Having heard of difficulties in the past; has anyone current experience wi
th the buying, installing and support process of the Plasma III six cylinder
system from Lightspeed engineering?
>
>
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| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
It's the same reason you should never use a pencil for marking aluminum.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkreidler
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Windscreen Gap
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"I used carbon fiber and standard West epoxy for the bottom windscreen fairing
instead of fiberglass."
I thought I read somewhere that you should not use carbon fiber cloth in direct
contact with aluminum because it promotes corrosion. Not sure if this is a tale
or based in fact - but probably worth further research.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler N44YH - Flying - #40617
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367629#367629
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone near Myrtle Beach SC or Naples Fl? |
| From: | Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Try Sherman Texas for free car, great gas prices and good hotels nearby. Try
meridian Mississippi for great gas prices, free airport van and nice downto
wn restaurants.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2012, at 12:52 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
> I am planning a trip down the south of the US from California to Myrtle Be
ach, than down to Naples Florida in mid June. I am looking for smaller airpo
rts and anyone in the area that can recommend a place to park my plane in ei
ther/both locations.
>
> I have the route going out covered, but am wide open for returning from Fl
orida to SoCal. I plan to stop 2-3 times on the way back and would welcome a
ny feedback on places to stay for the night. Two daughters that would love a
pool, if that helps!
>
> Pascal
>
>
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| From: | Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone near Myrtle Beach SC or Naples Fl? |
New Braunfels, Tex. Has a great water park and river floating on the Guadalupe.
The best place to park would be at San Marcos nearby.
On Mar 12, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Pascal wrote:
> I am planning a trip down the south of the US from California to Myrtle Beach,
than down to Naples Florida in mid June. I am looking for smaller airports and
anyone in the area that can recommend a place to park my plane in either/both
locations.
>
> I have the route going out covered, but am wide open for returning from Florida
to SoCal. I plan to stop 2-3 times on the way back and would welcome any feedback
on places to stay for the night. Two daughters that would love a pool,
if that helps!
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Learned at my IA renewal seminar last week that Electroair has 6 cylinder
units shipping right now, direct from them or through Spruce. EIS-2 kit.
Replaces either mag.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/electroair.php
So at least there is another competitor. Electroair has their 4 cyl version
certified for use on most Lycoming 4 cyl engines in certified aircraft with
STC.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM, DLM wrote:
> Having heard of difficulties in the past; has anyone current experience
> with the buying, installing and support process of the Plasma III six
> cylinder system from Lightspeed engineering?****
>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone near Myrtle Beach SC or Naples Fl? |
Don't know exactly what your Myrtle destination may be but I strongly
suggest KCRE Grand Strand aka North Myrtle for the place to park and
operate from. Ramp 66 is a long time, great FBO. Gas isn't cheap but
they earn it with service. North Myrtle is a nicer part of the whole
Myrtle Beach area but an easy drive into the honky tonk part.
I don't recommend KMYR. Been in there a few times. It's really not
closer and some things are awkward (like rental cars) because GA and
Carrier ops are on opposite sides of the runway. The FBO was fine
though and fuel is always a bit cheaper.
I hope to do the opposite run sometime this year with Phoenix and Lake
Tahoe on the agenda. All it takes is fuel....
Bill "it is spring!!" Watson
On 3/12/2012 3:52 PM, Pascal wrote:
> I am planning a trip down the south of the US from California to
> Myrtle Beach, than down to Naples Florida in mid June. I am looking
> for smaller airports and anyone in the area that can recommend a place
> to park my plane in either/both locations.
> I have the route going out covered, but am wide open for returning
> from Florida to SoCal. I plan to stop 2-3 times on the way back and
> would welcome any feedback on places to stay for the night. Two
> daughters that would love a pool, if that helps!
> Pascal
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
Per my discussion with Bill today, the ARINC isn't really needed in my
config since the GRTs are the display devices. ARINC -may- display
traffic on the GNS430 but he wasn't sure and Garmin isn't saying. I'm
wired for it but nothing he said indicated that I should add the ARINC
interface. Will just use the serial.
Bill "really appreciating the FastStack hub and wiring harnesses" Watson
On 3/12/2012 2:26 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Hmm interesting, didn't know that. I wonder if there is any advantage
> in using ARINC in that case such as weather. Might be able to save a
> couple hundred bucks by ditching that interface.
>
> Michael
>
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 12:50 PM, "Bob Leffler" > wrote:
>
>> Still not a requirement.
>>
>> I have the display port (wx & traffic) going to the afs4500 and the
>> tis port going to the gtn650. Both are serial.
>>
>> Arnic may have some other benefits, but for the $$. I stayed with the
>> serial connections.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 11:32 AM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> You likely only need ARINC if you want to send traffic to a Garmin
>> like the GNS or GTN.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone near Myrtle Beach SC or Naples Fl? |
I nice stop out of Naples is Key West. Only one option for an airport
but everything you need is there. A day trip is very feasible but given
that it's main pastime involves drink, overnight options abound. It's
one of those destinations that is so easy by plane but at least 4x
further by car.
The option that may trip you up is routing. Direct from Naples is over
(warm) water but you can scoot over and follow the keys down from
Miami. IMHO, flying over the gulf on say V601 is a lot more
comfortable than flying V601 over the 'glades.
On 3/12/2012 3:52 PM, Pascal wrote:
> I am planning a trip down the south of the US from California to
> Myrtle Beach, than down to Naples Florida in mid June. I am looking
> for smaller airports and anyone in the area that can recommend a place
> to park my plane in either/both locations.
> I have the route going out covered, but am wide open for returning
> from Florida to SoCal. I plan to stop 2-3 times on the way back and
> would welcome any feedback on places to stay for the night. Two
> daughters that would love a pool, if that helps!
> **
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | Lightspeed engineering |
When was your last dealing with LSE? With Klaus? The reason I ask is that
another shop here in Mesa AZ seems to think that they have greatly improved
their customer relations???
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lightspeed engineering
Great product.... Can't say the same for their customer interface. If you
call, make sure you memorized the manual first, which I did. Then he will
continue to blame you for everything, just like he did for me when he
drilled the magnet holes in the wrong place. It was my fault because I
didn't tell him where the holes were supposed to be?!?!? Really!?!?!
-Mike Kraus
I really like the Lightspeed because I no longer have to talk to Klaus
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "DLM" wrote:
Having heard of difficulties in the past; has anyone current experience with
the buying, installing and support process of the Plasma III six cylinder
system from Lightspeed engineering?
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| From: | John Zazulka <jpiper623(at)gmail.com> |
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>
> I used the RAM cradle and lil buddy suction cup. Works very well and easy
> to remove.
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Barry Marz wrote:
>
> >
> > I want to mount my IPAD on the tunnel forward of the fuel selector. What
> mounts work good in that location? Thanks Barry
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | John Zazulka <jpiper623(at)gmail.com> |
It depends on the surface you are mounting it to. If it a smooth surface
than the ram mount with the suction cup from Sporty's will work perfectly.
I have used this set up on the wind shield of a Piper Archer and it works
great. Easy to use and stays in place. Hope this helps.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:02 PM, John Zazulka wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message post ed by: Alan Mekler MD
>>
>> I used the RAM cradle and lil buddy suction cup. Works very well and easy
>> to remove.
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Barry Marz wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I want to mount my IPAD on the tunnel forward of the fuel selector.
>> What mounts work good in that location? Thanks Barry
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Lightspeed engineering |
I have worked directly with Klaus over the past few months to resolve an
issue and order some parts. Very helpful and no problems at all.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
BTW: An RV-10 (N410BR) cleared customs at Yuma today. I was hoping to meet
him but they gassed up and took off. Climbed well, looked good and sounded
great.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lightspeed engineering
Having heard of difficulties in the past; has anyone current experience with
the buying, installing and support process of the Plasma III six cylinder
system from Lightspeed engineering?
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| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
Yes, he does want you to read the manual.... I had an issue and he was wond
erful.... on a Sunday, answered the phone, went through a detailed trouble
shooting process, identified the problem, I fixed it, and that was 360 hour
s ago.... dual plasma III's.- Just got back from SoCal today, 193kts on 9
.8 gph, 2,200rpm, 19"mp, 11,500'.... and, of course, a tail wind!=0ADon McD
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al first, which I did. -Then he will continue to blame you for everything
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sed to be?!?!? -Really!?!?!=0A-Mike Kraus=0AI really like the Lightspeed
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| From: | Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone near Myrtle Beach SC or Naples Fl? |
Look at KTHA in southern middle TN.
Great airport, courtesy van, great (and reasonable) motels, close to
Jack Daniel and George Dickel distilleries.
grumpy
On Mar 12, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Pascal wrote:
> I am planning a trip down the south of the US from California to
Myrtle Beach, than down to Naples Florida in mid June. I am looking for
smaller airports and anyone in the area that can recommend a place to
park my plane in either/both locations.
>
> I have the route going out covered, but am wide open for returning
from Florida to SoCal. I plan to stop 2-3 times on the way back and
would welcome any feedback on places to stay for the night. Two
daughters that would love a pool, if that helps!
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
I have the system on my 540 and it works well, Only one dealing with Klaus
and although it took awhile for him to get back to me he finally did and an
swered my questions.I guess he is much better than he used to be. Good luck
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| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
| From: | "rwwende" <n7006w(at)gmail.com> |
So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the extra dollars?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368386#368386
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| From: | Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the r
eliability part.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: rwwende
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, 2012 12:39 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering=0A =0A-->
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he advantage of these products?- Are they really worth the extra dollars?
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co
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| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Also better performance, due to a hotter spark and variable timing.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the
> reliability part.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* rwwende
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
>
>
> So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the
> extra dollars?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
> - List Contribution Web Site -**
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>
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of people
that can speak to the reliability of that system.
Michael
On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson" > wrote:
Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the r
eliability part.
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From: rwwende <n7006w(at)gmail.com<mailto:n7006w(at)gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
gmail.com>>
So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the extr
a dollars?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
- List Contribution Web Site -
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| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
Three hard failures in 350 hours, dual Plasma II+ install in my 8A. I now h
ave 300+ hours on dual pMags and they have been flawless.
First engine start on the RV-10 is 2-3 weeks away and Brad at eMag has not y
et delivered my ignitions for the IO-540. I guess I'll put up with the mags
for the first few hours.
Carl
On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote:
> Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of peopl
e that can speak to the reliability of that system.
>
> Michael
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson" w
rote:
>
>> Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the
reliability part.
>>
>> From: rwwende <n7006w(at)gmail.com>
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
>>
>>
>> So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the ex
tra dollars?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
- List Contribution Web Site -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> ics.com
>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
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| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
There are many of us that have been talking to eMag for years and they
keep saying that they are almost there. On the 6-cyl version, I guess
they decided to go the certification route from the get-go, instead of
making it available to the experimental market. =46rom the looks of it,
the P-mag is going to be a great product. Again, the reliability will
take time to know, but the concept is great and the backup power coming
from the engine is a great idea. Timing them is also very easy. Can't
wait to hear how they work.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> Three hard failures in 350 hours, dual Plasma II+ install in my 8A. I
now have 300+ hours on dual pMags and they have been flawless.
>
> First engine start on the RV-10 is 2-3 weeks away and Brad at eMag has
not yet delivered my ignitions for the IO-540. I guess I'll put up with
the mags for the first few hours.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
wrote:
>
>> Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of
people that can speak to the reliability of that system.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson"
wrote:
>>
>>> Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell
on the reliability part.
>>>
>>> From: rwwende <n7006w(at)gmail.com>
>>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
>>>
>>>
>>> So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth
the extra dollars?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
- List Contribution Web Site -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> ics.com
>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering) |
| From: | Jim Ayers <lessdragprod(at)aol.com> |
I talked with E-Mag yesterday. I was told to visit their booth at Sun-N-Fu
n to see the IO-540 "production" P-Mag unit.
(They are gearing up for production. I told them they needed to shot the e
ngineer to go into production. :-)
I hope they didn't take that literally.)
I have my "deposit in" on their (just started) buyers list for the IO-540 P
-Mag. I believe they will be taking names at their booth at Sun-N-Fun, or
you can wait for a while to see how it goes.
JIm Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
Less Drag Special (modified HR2) IO-540 with 86 hours using Slick mags.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:50 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
There are many of us that have been talking to eMag for years and they keep
saying that they are almost there. On the 6-cyl version, I guess they deci
ded to go the certification route from the get-go, instead of making it ava
ilable to the experimental market. From the looks of it, the P-mag is going
to be a great product. Again, the reliability will take time to know, but
the concept is great and the backup power coming from the engine is a great
idea. Timing them is also very easy. Can't wait to hear how they work.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
Three hard failures in 350 hours, dual Plasma II+ install in my 8A. I now
have 300+ hours on dual pMags and they have been flawless.
First engine start on the RV-10 is 2-3 weeks away and Brad at eMag has not
yet delivered my ignitions for the IO-540. I guess I'll put up with the ma
gs for the first few hours.
Carl
On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote:
Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of people
that can speak to the reliability of that system.
Michael
On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson" wr
ote:
Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the r
eliability part.
From: rwwende <n7006w(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the extr
a dollars?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
- List Contribution Web Site -
p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
cs.com
matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | FWF Fuel Line Torque Values |
| From: | Nikolaos Napoli <napolin(at)me.com> |
I am wondering what the correct torque value for the FWF fuel and oil lines is.
The Lycoming Overhaul Manual has fairly low torque values for "flexible hose
or tube fittings " in the order of 30 to 35 in-lbs with corresponding values
of over 100in-lb from Aeroquip and similar sources. Not sure which values to
use.
Thanks
Niko
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FWF Fuel Line Torque Values |
I used Aeroquip's settings for all lines. (brake, oil, fuel, etc)
-----Original Message-----
From: Nikolaos Napoli
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: FWF Fuel Line Torque Values
I am wondering what the correct torque value for the FWF fuel and oil lines
is. The Lycoming Overhaul Manual has fairly low torque values for "flexible
hose or tube fittings " in the order of 30 to 35 in-lbs with corresponding
values of over 100in-lb from Aeroquip and similar sources. Not sure which
values to use.
Thanks
Niko
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering) |
Have they gotten their certification yet for the 6 cyl?
They were working on it last year at Osh.
grumpy
On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Jim Ayers wrote:
> I talked with E-Mag yesterday. I was told to visit their booth at
Sun-N-Fun to see the IO-540 "production" P-Mag unit.
> (They are gearing up for production. I told them they needed to shot
the engineer to go into production. :-)
> I hope they didn't take that literally.)
>
> I have my "deposit in" on their (just started) buyers list for the
IO-540 P-Mag. I believe they will be taking names at their booth at
Sun-N-Fun, or you can wait for a while to see how it goes.
>
> JIm Ayers
> Less Drag Products, Inc.
> Less Drag Special (modified HR2) IO-540 with 86 hours using Slick
mags.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
> To: rv10-list
> Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:50 am
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
>
> There are many of us that have been talking to eMag for years and they
keep saying that they are almost there. On the 6-cyl version, I guess
they decided to go the certification route from the get-go, instead of
making it available to the experimental market. =46rom the looks of it,
the P-mag is going to be a great product. Again, the reliability will
take time to know, but the concept is great and the backup power coming
from the engine is a great idea. Timing them is also very easy. Can't
wait to hear how they work.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
>> Three hard failures in 350 hours, dual Plasma II+ install in my 8A.
I now have 300+ hours on dual pMags and they have been flawless.
>>
>> First engine start on the RV-10 is 2-3 weeks away and Brad at eMag
has not yet delivered my ignitions for the IO-540. I guess I'll put up
with the mags for the first few hours.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
wrote:
>>
>>> Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of
people that can speak to the reliability of that system.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson"
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell
on the reliability part.
>>>>
>>>> From: rwwende <n7006w(at)gmail.com>
>>>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM
>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth
the extra dollars?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
- List Contribution Web Site -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>> ics.com
>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering) |
| From: | Jim Ayers <lessdragprod(at)aol.com> |
E-Mag has been working on the certification for at least three years that I
know.
I don't know if they have the FAA certification. But I would guess that th
ey are close.
Jim Ayers
-----Original Message-----
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: IO-540 P-Mag (was Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering)
Have they gotten their certification yet for the 6 cyl?
They were working on it last year at Osh.
grumpy
On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Jim Ayers wrote:
I talked with E-Mag yesterday. I was told to visit their booth at Sun-N-Fu
n to see the IO-540 "production" P-Mag unit.
(They are gearing up for production. I told them they needed to shot the e
ngineer to go into production. :-)
I hope they didn't take that literally.)
I have my "deposit in" on their (just started) buyers list for the IO-540 P
-Mag. I believe they will be taking names at their booth at Sun-N-Fun, or
you can wait for a while to see how it goes.
JIm Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
Less Drag Special (modified HR2) IO-540 with 86 hours using Slick mags.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:50 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
There are many of us that have been talking to eMag for years and they keep
saying that they are almost there. On the 6-cyl version, I guess they deci
ded to go the certification route from the get-go, instead of making it ava
ilable to the experimental market. From the looks of it, the P-mag is going
to be a great product. Again, the reliability will take time to know, but
the concept is great and the backup power coming from the engine is a great
idea. Timing them is also very easy. Can't wait to hear how they work.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
Three hard failures in 350 hours, dual Plasma II+ install in my 8A. I now
have 300+ hours on dual pMags and they have been flawless.
First engine start on the RV-10 is 2-3 weeks away and Brad at eMag has not
yet delivered my ignitions for the IO-540. I guess I'll put up with the ma
gs for the first few hours.
Carl
On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote:
Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of people
that can speak to the reliability of that system.
Michael
On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson" wr
ote:
Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the r
eliability part.
From: rwwende <n7006w(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the extr
a dollars?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
- List Contribution Web Site -
p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
cs.com
matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed engineering |
Jessie,
>From my last converstion (late-February) eMag is now going to offer an expe
rimental and a certified version. That was a surprise to me.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
There are many of us that have been talking to eMag for years and they keep
saying that they are almost there. On the 6-cyl version, I guess they deci
ded to go the certification route from the get-go, instead of making it ava
ilable to the experimental market. From the looks of it, the P-mag is going
to be a great product. Again, the reliability will take time to know, but
the concept is great and the backup power coming from the engine is a great
idea. Timing them is also very easy. Can't wait to hear how they work.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
Three hard failures in 350 hours, dual Plasma II+ install in my 8A. I now
have 300+ hours on dual pMags and they have been flawless.
First engine start on the RV-10 is 2-3 weeks away and Brad at eMag has not
yet delivered my ignitions for the IO-540. I guess I'll put up with the ma
gs for the first few hours.
Carl
On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" > wrote:
Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of people
that can speak to the reliability of that system.
Michael
On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson" > wrote:
Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the r
eliability part.
________________________________
From: rwwende <n7006w(at)gmail.com<mailto:n7006w(at)gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering
gmail.com>>
So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the extr
a dollars?
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| From: | "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
I just installed a rudder trim today that Aerosport Products made. I am testing
the design and was very pleased with the results. I didn't want the electric
rudder trim since it was a lot of labor and put weight in the rudder. I was holding
out for a bias system that used the entire rudder. I know builders who installed
the electric version and like them but this new product was just what
I was looking for. It literally took me 30 minutes to install and worked perfect.
I didn't know where to set it for the first test run so I took off normally.
At cruise I dialed it in and immediately was grateful to pull my foot off
the right rudder where I had been resting it for the 180 hours I have on the plane.
This system uses a dial which is geared to two cables attached to springs
and finally hooked on to two clamped arms on the rudder crossover tubes. I can
dial in the cruise descent and cruise climb in a few seconds. It is very compact
as you can see in the photo. I'm already happy with it and I only flew with
it for a fairly short flight today. I took a quick pic with my iphone and
will get some better pics later. Feel free to contact me with any questions.
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40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen Gap |
| From: | "maca2790" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au> |
Thank you everyone for your replies.
I have applied two layers of Glass and then built up the side of the Glare shield
so that the gap is only around 1/8 ".
I will be using Sikaflex 295 UV and then the Glass layup as per the plans.
cheers
John MacCallum
41016
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| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
It looks like the same system that I installed - bought from M.L. Skunk Works several
years ago. It works great. I will admit that the RV-10 needs very little
rudder trim in cruise that I can see.
John
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| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
Not really, the concept is similar. The control head is significantly smaller
and my very biased opinion is that it's better engineered.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 17, 2012, at 9:29 AM, "johngoodman" wrote:
It looks like the same system that I installed - bought from M.L. Skunk Works several
years ago. It works great. I will admit that the RV-10 needs very little
rudder trim in cruise that I can see.
John
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| From: | LES KEARNEY <Kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Florida Transition Trainng |
Hi
While hiding from winter for a couple of weeks in Florida, i decided to do a few
hours of transition training with David Maib.
To say that I was pleased with the experience would be an understatement. David's
air conditioned -10 was a pleasure to fly. His teaching style is relaxed and
not the least bit stressful. I was very happy that he focussed not just on his
syllabus but also on what I wanted (lots of landings and getting a good feel
for the a/c in various flight modes). I wanted to know what a -10 should feel
like so I can be prepared for my own a/c. Flying an approach to the shuttle
strip at Kennedy was a bonus.
IMHO, David is a great choice for transition training.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Transition Trainng |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
I feel the same. Mine was in November 2011. 25 kt direct crosswind with the family
was no problem recently, after my windy two days with David. Wind was what
I was hoping for, but sure did not expect to fly, as my primary flight training
was always canceled above 10 knots.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
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| From: | curtis groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com> |
I have the Van's flap system (reflex, zero degrees, half flaps, full flaps)
. -A momentary press down on the panel flap switch will take them down to
the next position -- up until a month ago so that now, in flight, reflex t
o zero to half is still the same but to go from half to full flaps I have t
o press and hold the switch down until full flaps is achieved. -However,
on the ground taxiing or at standstill, I don't have to hold the switch to
go from half to full, it'll go with the momentary press like it always did
heretofore. -Suggestions anyone?
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| Subject: | Re: Flap actuation |
| From: | Matthew Collier <ivdiggs(at)gmail.com> |
Curtis,
I also have the same flap system in my RV-10. I have not had this issue
but can only imagine that the limit switch that falls into the grooves on
your flap position rod is barely being kept in place until the next groove.
In flight its possible the air loads flex things in the system just enough
that the switch won't engage. A simple tweak of the metal arm on the switch
should do the trick. Try moving the switch and listening for the click when
it's in a groove. If you have to move the metal arm almost all the way
before it clicks then bend it a little so it clicks sooner. I think this
will solve your issue.
Matthew Collier
Fibercraft Inc.
www.fibercraft.us
ivdiggs(at)gmail.com
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM, curtis groote wrote:
> I have the Van's flap system (reflex, zero degrees, half flaps, full
> flaps). A momentary press down on the panel flap switch will take them
> down to the next position -- up until a month ago so that now, in flight,
> reflex to zero to half is still the same but to go from half to full flaps
> I have to press and hold the switch down until full flaps is achieved.
> However, on the ground taxiing or at standstill, I don't have to hold the
> switch to go from half to full, it'll go with the momentary press like it
> always did heretofore. Suggestions anyone?
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap actuation |
I tried adjusting the rod a few times and it seems to help for a while.
But it's a pain taking the tunnel cover off and on so I got in the habit of
just holding the switch for a half-second or so. I hold it down while
saying "flaps 1", "flaps 2", etc. It has to do with motoring the rod past
the groove long enough to activate the switch.
For a while we had a problem with the flaps getting stuck down. But that
always seemed to resolve itself before we had to do anything about it. The
microswitch must have jiggled back to where it belonged, and that was years
ago. These days we don't see that happening any more.
--Dave Saylor
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM, curtis groote wrote:
> I have the Van's flap system (reflex, zero degrees, half flaps, full
> flaps). A momentary press down on the panel flap switch will take them
> down to the next position -- up until a month ago so that now, in flight,
> reflex to zero to half is still the same but to go from half to full flaps
> I have to press and hold the switch down until full flaps is achieved.
> However, on the ground taxiing or at standstill, I don't have to hold the
> switch to go from half to full, it'll go with the momentary press like it
> always did heretofore. Suggestions anyone?
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | N541RV phase1 complete |
Phase 1 is complete, all went very well. First family trip this
weekend to pick up my daughter for spring break from college was
absolutely awesome. My wife, younger daughter and I went to get my
older daughter. The 11 hour round trip car ride was replaced by 3.3
hours of RV-10 action. KXLL (Allentown PA) to KGKJ (Meadville PA).
We all had a blast and as a bonus we had hot dogs at Eddie=99s
Famous Hot Dog Stand, now in business for 65 years, (within walking
distance from the airport). (highly recommended stop if you are every in
northwestern PA).
The smiles on their in-flight self-portrait says it all...
Bob Newman
N541RV
RV grin set on MAX.
oh yeah, the technical details: 171 knots TAS @ 8000 ft, WOT. 12.4 gph,
both ways. this airplane rocks!
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| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
In the eternal quest to make the Sam James cowl functional I am on the hunt for
some inlet rings. Looking to increase the inlet area so ideally a 5.5" diameter
ring would work, but I am willing to try up to a 6" ring. Anyone out there
have a production run with a spare set leftover they might be willing to part
with? PM or email me at scout019(at)msn.com if you have some or know where they
might be procured. Thanks.
Eric Kallio
N518RV
Flying
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| Subject: | Re: N541RV phase1 complete |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
Great news to read the progress and review the grins.
John 40600
On Mar 18, 2012 5:49 PM, "bob-tcw" wrote:
> Phase 1 is complete, all went very well. First family trip this
> weekend to pick up my daughter for spring break from college was absolute
ly
> awesome. My wife, younger daughter and I went to get my older
> daughter. The 11 hour round trip car ride was replaced by 3.3 hours of
> RV-10 action. KXLL (Allentown PA) to KGKJ (Meadville PA). We all h
ad
> a blast and as a bonus we had hot dogs at Eddie=92s Famous Hot Dog Stand,
> now in business for 65 years, (within walking distance from the airport)
.
> (highly recommended stop if you are every in northwestern PA).
> The smiles on their in-flight self-portrait says it all...
>
>
> Bob Newman
> N541RV
> RV grin set on MAX.
>
> oh yeah, the technical details: 171 knots TAS @ 8000 ft, WOT. 12.4 gph,
> both ways. this airplane rocks!
>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap actuation |
I'm having roughly the same problem. Just doing it manually now.
Bill
On 3/18/2012 6:11 PM, curtis groote wrote:
> I have the Van's flap system (reflex, zero degrees, half flaps, full
> flaps). A momentary press down on the panel flap switch will take
> them down to the next position -- up until a month ago so that now, in
> flight, reflex to zero to half is still the same but to go from half
> to full flaps I have to press and hold the switch down until full
> flaps is achieved. However, on the ground taxiing or at standstill, I
> don't have to hold the switch to go from half to full, it'll go with
> the momentary press like it always did heretofore. Suggestions anyone?
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: N541RV phase1 complete |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
It is great to really go somewhere, especially with all four seats filled. No crazy
interstate drivers to watch out for while getting 15 mpg. How many kids get
to say my Dad, Mom and Sister picked me up from college in our plane. I know
you are loving that plane as much as I am. Now for some summer trip plans. We
are planning FL and SW US(2 separate trips).
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
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| Subject: | Re: Flap actuation |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
My Show Planes from Vans has always required two taps down to go from half to full.
I will pull that whole mess out and install a manual switch if I have any
additional faults. One less wire and much simpler to troublehoot or repair. As
for landing and takeoff with or without flaps, it is no problem with a CS prop
and 260 hp. Having a manual switch would not be any more distracting than dealing
with this. It may just be a matter of the micro switch rods not having
the cutouts in the right place at the right time. Anybody troubleshot this problem
yet?
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
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| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap actuation |
This is the first email I've read of this thread. Do you really have to
hold the switch down the whole way, or does it just have to be more than
the normal press? I have seen it where you had to hold it down for a
little longer than normal for it to get past the limit switch on the
rod. I know that when using a position sensor, the flap position on the
ground and the position in flight does not match. I assume that is
because on the ground gravity is pulling the flaps as far down as it
can, and in the air the relative wind is pushing the flaps up as far as
it can, so that may have something to do with it.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Mar 19, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> I'm having roughly the same problem. Just doing it manually now.
>
> Bill
>
> On 3/18/2012 6:11 PM, curtis groote wrote:
>>
>> I have the Van's flap system (reflex, zero degrees, half flaps, full
flaps). A momentary press down on the panel flap switch will take them
down to the next position -- up until a month ago so that now, in
flight, reflex to zero to half is still the same but to go from half to
full flaps I have to press and hold the switch down until full flaps is
achieved. However, on the ground taxiing or at standstill, I don't have
to hold the switch to go from half to full, it'll go with the momentary
press like it always did heretofore. Suggestions anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap actuation |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
This might be a good time to plug Vertical Power. With the VP-200 you set 4 total
positions and have a sensor for location. You can click the switch down 3 times
and it will go down all the way. Click twice to go down 2 "notches". Click
up once to go all the way up. Very nice to work with.
I have not affiliation with VP. I just really like flying with their equipment.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:11 AM, "rv10flyer" wrote:
>
> My Show Planes from Vans has always required two taps down to go from half to
full. I will pull that whole mess out and install a manual switch if I have any
additional faults. One less wire and much simpler to troublehoot or repair.
As for landing and takeoff with or without flaps, it is no problem with a CS
prop and 260 hp. Having a manual switch would not be any more distracting than
dealing with this. It may just be a matter of the micro switch rods not having
the cutouts in the right place at the right time. Anybody troubleshot this problem
yet?
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
> 40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
> N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368873#368873
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Paul Bowmar <paul(at)bwbco.com> |
Eric, Are you familiar with the inlet rings Alan Bickle was marketing through Airflow Technologies? He didn't get enough interest to carry on, but I made the rings for him. If you want some, I could make a run. Contact me offline or at Plane Innovations LLC. (435) 826-4662 www.planeinnovations.com
Paul Bowmar
On Mar 18, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Eric_Kallio wrote:
>
> In the eternal quest to make the Sam James cowl functional I am on the hunt for
some inlet rings. Looking to increase the inlet area so ideally a 5.5" diameter
ring would work, but I am willing to try up to a 6" ring. Anyone out there
have a production run with a spare set leftover they might be willing to part
with? PM or email me at scout019(at)msn.com if you have some or know where they
might be procured. Thanks.
>
> Eric Kallio
> N518RV
> Flying
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368859#368859
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | curtis groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap actuation |
Yup. -Have to hold the switch down the whole way or the flaps stop moveme
nt on release.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Jesse Sain
t =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday,
March 19, 2012 6:11 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Flap actuation=0A =0A=0AT
his is the first email I've read of this thread. Do you really have to hold
the switch down the whole way, or does it just have to be more than the no
rmal press? I have seen it where you had to hold it down for a little longe
r than normal for it to get past the limit switch on the rod. I know that w
hen using a position sensor, the flap position on the ground and the positi
on in flight does not match. I assume that is because on the ground gravity
is pulling the flaps as far down as it can, and in the air the relative wi
nd is pushing the flaps up as far as it can, so that may have something to
do with it.=0A=0A=0AJesse Saint=0ASaint Aviation, Inc.=0Ajesse@saintaviatio
n.com=0AC: 352-427-0285=0AF: 815-377-3694 =0A=0AOn Mar 19, 2012, at 12:57 A
M, Bill Watson wrote:=0A=0AI'm having roughly the same problem.- Just doi
ng it manually now.=0A>=0A>Bill=0A>=0A>On 3/18/2012 6:11 PM, curtis groote
wrote: =0A>I have the Van's flap system (reflex, zero degrees, half flaps,
full flaps). -A momentary press down on the panel flap switch will take t
hem down to the next position -- up until a month ago so that now, in fligh
t, reflex to zero to half is still the same but to go from half to full fla
ps I have to press and hold the switch down until full flaps is achieved.
-However, on the ground taxiing or at standstill, I don't have to hold th
e switch to go from half to full, it'll go with the momentary press like it
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| From: | Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap actuation |
Yes two of us here had that problem of flaps working in air but not on grou
nd.Little pressures on the flaps on ground and they would start moving agai
n.After I figured out what was happening I sent mine back and they fixed it
and sent two more washers to keep the actuator from rotating so far and we
aring away at the guide holes. Had nothing to do with too much grease.
That seems to have fixed the problem. for both of ours. And yes its one Hit
down to get neutral the second is half flap and third is full flaps. Alll
this was happening around 150 -200 hrs.
Patrick Thyssen N15PT
407 hrs.
--- On Mon, 3/19/12, rv10flyer wrote:
From: rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flap actuation
Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 7:11 AM
My Show Planes from Vans has always required two taps down to go from half
to full. I will pull that whole mess out and install a manual switch if I h
ave any additional faults. One less wire and much simpler to troublehoot or
repair. As for landing and takeoff with or without flaps, it is no problem
with a CS prop and 260 hp. Having a manual switch would not be any more di
stracting than dealing with this. It may just be a matter of the micro swit
ch rods not having the cutouts in the right place at the right time. Anybod
y troubleshot this problem yet?
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368873#368873
le, List Admin.
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| From: | "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> |
The problem is that your actuator pivots a slight bit when you are putting
the flaps down and because the 1/8' sensor rod with notches is worn now
the twist that happens when the air flow is hitting the flaps when flying
makes it react differently then just sitting. You will need to get into your
tunnel area and re-adjust the sensor unit which mounts to the flap motor.
This is a problem with the Show planes unit after a while. Operate your
flaps and watch how the unit twist and you will see it. You need to stop the
the flap rod end from rotating so much.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
www.aerosportmodeling.com
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of curtis groote
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap actuation
Yup. Have to hold the switch down the whole way or the flaps stop movement
on release.
_____
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap actuation
This is the first email I've read of this thread. Do you really have to hold
the switch down the whole way, or does it just have to be more than the
normal press? I have seen it where you had to hold it down for a little
longer than normal for it to get past the limit switch on the rod. I know
that when using a position sensor, the flap position on the ground and the
position in flight does not match. I assume that is because on the ground
gravity is pulling the flaps as far down as it can, and in the air the
relative wind is pushing the flaps up as far as it can, so that may have
something to do with it.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Mar 19, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
I'm having roughly the same problem. Just doing it manually now.
Bill
On 3/18/2012 6:11 PM, curtis groote wrote:
I have the Van's flap system (reflex, zero degrees, half flaps, full flaps).
A momentary press down on the panel flap switch will take them down to the
next position -- up until a month ago so that now, in flight, reflex to zero
to half is still the same but to go from half to full flaps I have to press
and hold the switch down until full flaps is achieved. However, on the
ground taxiing or at standstill, I don't have to hold the switch to go from
half to full, it'll go with the momentary press like it always did
heretofore. Suggestions anyone?
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
I've just physically installed my Navworx ADS-B box and now need to
configure it.
Neither of my laptops have the required Com port. Short of transporting
an old tower system down to the hangar, has anyone used a USB - Com port
adaptor? Price?
I've started researching it but if anyone has some experience to
share... please do.
Bill Watson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
Similar problem here--I have to borrow back an old laptop from my daughter
to do the updates--it's the only windows laptop in the house. I use a USB
adapter from Staples. There's no P/N on it, and it actually has the
Staples logo engraved in the plastic shell. It works fine.
Sure would be nice to have an app for that...
--Dave Saylor
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> I've just physically installed my Navworx ADS-B box and now need to
> configure it.
>
> Neither of my laptops have the required Com port. Short of transporting
> an old tower system down to the hangar, has anyone used a USB - Com port
> adaptor? Price?
>
> I've started researching it but if anyone has some experience to share...
> please do.
>
> Bill Watson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
Yes, they work fine most of the time.
I've used Belkin ones with luck, and some cheap
Chinese ones I bought on Ebay I think with
"prolific" chipsets that worked too. If you're
in a hurry I'd buy one locally and pay maybe $20-30
and get a good one. If you just want spares and
want to have something sitting around, you can get
them for maybe $2-3 on Ebay I think.
Tim
On 3/20/2012 10:12 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> I've just physically installed my Navworx ADS-B box and now need to
> configure it.
>
> Neither of my laptops have the required Com port. Short of transporting
> an old tower system down to the hangar, has anyone used a USB - Com port
> adaptor? Price?
>
> I've started researching it but if anyone has some experience to
> share... please do.
>
> Bill Watson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
An app would just require even more software to run on the
device, and that could lead to more issues with FAA
certification, and more delays in getting the config
interface working when they tweak software.
While serial configuration is old technology, on a
screenless box like that, it's actually perfect for
keeping low overhead. It just isn't as nice that laptops
dropped support for Serial ports. I configure
things all day long at work using serial ports to get
them running on the network. I actually far prefer
command-line text configuration to all the stupid
web interfaces out there these days.
Tim
On 3/20/2012 10:27 AM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> Similar problem here--I have to borrow back an old laptop from my
> daughter to do the updates--it's the only windows laptop in the house.
> I use a USB adapter from Staples. There's no P/N on it, and it actually
> has the Staples logo engraved in the plastic shell. It works fine.
>
> Sure would be nice to have an app for that...
>
> --Dave Saylor
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
Remembering back to something you and I talked about before
Dave, you're right on one thing...what would be nice is to
find a wi-fi/bluetooth type box you could plug in to the
serial port and configure wirelessly from an iPad. That
would be cool.
I use an iPad a lot to configure network devices using
telnet and ssh, so it would be easy to do if the box could
handle telnet. I know they are out there, too....I just
don't have one. Then you could use an app like "iSSH" on
the ipad to configure the navworx.
FWIW, at work I ordered a bunch of ethernet to
serial devices so we could remotely configure network
devices at other sites. Something like that would work,
but you wouldn't want to spend the money we spent on them.
Tim
On 3/20/2012 10:27 AM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> Similar problem here--I have to borrow back an old laptop from my
> daughter to do the updates--it's the only windows laptop in the house.
> I use a USB adapter from Staples. There's no P/N on it, and it actually
> has the Staples logo engraved in the plastic shell. It works fine.
>
> Sure would be nice to have an app for that...
>
> --Dave Saylor
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | Furnace Creek L06 |
The airport is on the NW corner of a spring fed oasis on the East end of
Death Valley National Park. Airnav is accurate regards non availability
of
fuel and tiedowns. The runway was originally much longer but is now
overgrown with numerous obstacles on the north end; otherwise smooth and
wide. To enter the valley you will be at least 6000 MSL; my last APRS
hit
was at 5690 MSL about 5 miles from the field. Since the field is at -210
MSL
there will be circling to land and after takeoff. I landed on 15 per the
wind T to almost calm winds. About two days later I went back to the
airport
and moved the aircraft behind a small stand of dense trees that
sheltered
it. For about 48 hours the winds in the valley were 30 KTS with gust to
50
KTS. The aircraft was secured with =BD=94 nylon ropes to steel wires
that
transverse the pavement. In addition I had a pitot cover, belt tied
controls
and significant rudder lock and aileron lock. After the first night of
blow,
I wondered whether the aircraft would still be there. I walked to the
airport and there was no damage. In fact the wind behind the small tree
stand was almost non existent. I left it there for another night as
there
was no escape from the valley via flight. By Sunday morning the winds
were
again less than 10KTS. Surprisingly even during the big blow, the stars
ere
outstanding; a sky full. There has been little rain there so far, about
.03
inches since December; hence the wild flowers were non existent. There
are
two nice places to stay (hotels) and several places to eat, also
expensive.
Several campgrounds within walking distance of Furnace Creek Ranch. All
in
all an interesting history of a desert which was occupied 80 years ago
by
miners and other fortune hunters.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
Bill said there is a "UAT Console" program that now includes the current
level of software or will include the current level. Sounds like the
intent is to supply new releases integrated with a console program so
you kind of get the latest of both anytime you update.
The release he sent me on Mar 12 was 3.10.1.
I went out an bought a cable at RadioShack for $40.... not sure I want
to open it yet for that price. Amazon has a number of selections under
$20 and I can wait a few days. We'll see.
Bill
On 3/20/2012 12:06 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Bill sent me a link to 3.10.0 on Feb 27. I'm not sure if just
> forwarding the link will work, but here it is:
>
> https://rcpt.yousendit.com/1392889324/ba70bb6639d6336cf1592704f80a3bb6
>
> He didn't say anything about it being beta. It resolved an altitude
> display issue we were having. So far, so good.
>
> --Dave Saylor
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
For a cable, you can also find someone with an "old" Dynon system, since
those are serial-only, too.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Bill said there is a "UAT Console" program that now includes the current
> level of software or will include the current level. Sounds like the
> intent is to supply new releases integrated with a console program so you
> kind of get the latest of both anytime you update.
>
> The release he sent me on Mar 12 was 3.10.1.
>
> I went out an bought a cable at RadioShack for $40.... not sure I want to
> open it yet for that price. Amazon has a number of selections under $20
> and I can wait a few days. We'll see.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 3/20/2012 12:06 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
>
> Rob,
>
> Bill sent me a link to 3.10.0 on Feb 27. I'm not sure if just forwarding
> the link will work, but here it is:
>
> https://rcpt.yousendit.com/1392889324/ba70bb6639d6336cf1592704f80a3bb6
>
> He didn't say anything about it being beta. It resolved an altitude
> display issue we were having. So far, so good.
>
> --Dave Saylor
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David J. Fritzsche" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com> |
| Subject: | Corrugated Tube Question |
I am using Van's corrugated tube in my wings to protect my wiring. I
need to cut holes for the pitot wire and the landing light wires. Is
that normally done with a soldering iron to poke the hole? And should
you insert a rubber grommet to protect the wire through the hole?
Dave
--
Dave Fritzsche
Professor, Retired
Penn State
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Corrugated Tube Question |
In the 8A I cut a hole I the corrugated tubing to run those wires. After
you finish the wire run use some silicon seal around the hole/wires to
eliminate relative motion - protecting the wires.
For the 10 I used Lowes polyurethane water line tubing for the wire runs.
The tubing is a snug fit in 3/4" holes, very sturdy but light weight, and
big enough for all the wires and even a coax run to the wingtip VOR antenna.
I simply have a 2" or so space where there is not tubing for things such as
pitot heat, auto pilot, and aileron trim.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David J.
Fritzsche
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Corrugated Tube Question
I am using Van's corrugated tube in my wings to protect my wiring. I
need to cut holes for the pitot wire and the landing light wires. Is
that normally done with a soldering iron to poke the hole? And should
you insert a rubber grommet to protect the wire through the hole?
Dave
--
Dave Fritzsche
Professor, Retired
Penn State
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corrugated Tube Question |
Soldering iron worked great for me. It kind of curls the plastic so I
didn't use grommets or at least I thought they weren't required. I think
the conduit is soft enough not to cut into the wiring insulation.
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: "David J. Fritzsche" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Corrugated Tube Question
>
>
> I am using Van's corrugated tube in my wings to protect my wiring. I need
> to cut holes for the pitot wire and the landing light wires. Is that
> normally done with a soldering iron to poke the hole? And should you
> insert a rubber grommet to protect the wire through the hole?
>
> Dave
>
> --
>
> Dave Fritzsche
> Professor, Retired
> Penn State
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | curtis groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: flap actuation |
Thanks for the responses. -A great help.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | curtis groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First long cross country |
I got the original SPOT when it was introduced at Oshkosh a few years ago a
nd then last year got the newer and present one. -The latter eliminates a
step going from location notification to tracking. -It's worked very nic
ely for us. -Before upgrading I was toying with the idea of letting it go
but my wife asked me to continue. -She likes knowing when I go up and wh
en I get back. -My son likes to know where I'm going on the tracking feat
ure. -All in all, I think it's a neat unit and recommend it.=0A=0A=0A____
____________________________=0A From: David Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com>=0AT
o: RV-10 matronics =0ASent: Tuesday, March 20, 20
12 3:50 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: First long cross country=0A =0A--> RV10-Li
st message posted by: David Leikam =0A=0AMy son and I a
re taking the plane from KUES (Waukesha WI) to KSEZ (Sedona) next week on o
ur first long cross country.- We plan to make a fuel stop somewhere in KS
.- Then fly southward to Santa Fe.- Then on to Sedona, trying to avoid
the really high country.=0A=0AAlso, does anyone have any experience with Sp
ot PLB's?=0A=0AAny advice or airport recommendations would be appreciated!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Adm
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| Subject: | Re: Furnace Creek L06 |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the nice write-up. Hope more continue to do this, as it helps us low
timers. We will be taking our first 200 nm+ trips this summer.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369034#369034
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| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | First long cross country |
For those newly flying, don't ignore the Amateur Radio tracking system or
Amateur Position Reporting System (APRS). It uses a small, inexpensive 2
meter burst transmitter, a web site http://aprs.fi and has no fees for
usage. You are required to have a Ham License but they are not difficult to
study for and obtain. My transmitter is one of the early one costing about
$300 but later ones are less than $200 and there are portable models. After
the transmitter is programmed with your call sign and optionally, your tail
number, it will automatically transmit at pre-selected intervals on the 2
meter amateur band. Other ham operators will pick it up and-in most areas of
the US-put it on the internet where it can be viewed in real time at aprs.fi
superimposed on a map. Each dot that makes up the track shows altitude,
heading, speed, lat/long. Benefits are no cost and anyone with your call
sign can follow your track. Drawbacks are spotty coverage in some areas and
anyone with your call sign can follow your track. My transmitter is
controlled by a panel switch so it only works when I want it to. Check out
http://www.byonics.com/microtrak/ for equipment and prices. He will also
pre-program your transmitter for you if desired. I have used it flying in
all of the lower 48 and found very few holes in coverage.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Corrugated Tube Question |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I just cut a slit in it to fish out the wire, but I'm sure the soldering iron will
work as well. If you ever want to buy it in different sizes or colors, you'll
find it on the web as "Convoluted Nylon Tubing", or "Nylon Wire Loom." Here
is a web site of a major manufacturer of it:
http://www.taylorvertex.com/Products/index.cgi/bulkTubing
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369042#369042
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com> |
I am looking for a supplier of brake pads for the -10. I have rivets
and the rivet tool to set them.
Anyone got a good supplier they could recommend or not?
Jim Combs (N312F - 350 hours)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
Desser Tire http://vansaircrafttires.com/
Skygeek.com
Aircraft Spruce
Van's
I've bought from them all. Desser has the Rapco pads.
For the Cleveland's you'd go to the other places.
Tim
On 3/21/2012 9:08 AM, Jim Combs wrote:
> I am looking for a supplier of brake pads for the -10. I have rivets
> and the rivet tool to set them.
>
> Anyone got a good supplier they could recommend or not?
>
> Jim Combs (N312F - 350 hours)
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Preid <Rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
Desser has a RV-10 specific page.
They sell pads, rapco I believe.
On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:08 AM, Jim Combs wrote:
> I am looking for a supplier of brake pads for the -10. I have rivets
> and the rivet tool to set them.
>
> Anyone got a good supplier they could recommend or not?
>
> Jim Combs (N312F - 350 hours)
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
| From: | "Kevin O'Shea" <kevino(at)worldwarehouse.com> |
I had the UAT console shipped with the navworx in Jan. Install was very
straight forward. Just loaded on a netbook.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap actuation |
Wayne, I haven't done anything yet but I did talk to someone at
Showplanes and they described a fix involving two washers similar to
what Patrick mentioned previously.
My problem has been the gradual degradation of the flap detent
function. It has required 2 or more clicks to get to half or full in
flight and on the ground. Sometime over the next 2 or 3 months I will
open up the tunnel, see if I can understand what is going on and try to
apply the 2 washer fix if it makes sense.
I'll share my experience here afterwards.
Bill "almost ADS-B'd" Watson
On 3/19/2012 8:11 AM, rv10flyer wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "rv10flyer"
>
> My Show Planes from Vans has always required two taps down to go from half to
full. I will pull that whole mess out and install a manual switch if I have any
additional faults. One less wire and much simpler to troublehoot or repair.
As for landing and takeoff with or without flaps, it is no problem with a CS
prop and 260 hp. Having a manual switch would not be any more distracting than
dealing with this. It may just be a matter of the micro switch rods not having
the cutouts in the right place at the right time. Anybody troubleshot this problem
yet?
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
> 40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
> N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
Lots of info on aviation use here:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=104
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:28 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: First long cross country
For those newly flying, don't ignore the Amateur Radio tracking system or A
mateur Position Reporting System (APRS). It uses a small, inexpensive 2 met
er burst transmitter, a web site http://aprs.fi and has no fees for usage.
You are required to have a Ham License but they are not difficult to study
for and obtain. My transmitter is one of the early one costing about $300 b
ut later ones are less than $200 and there are portable models. After the t
ransmitter is programmed with your call sign and optionally, your tail numb
er, it will automatically transmit at pre-selected intervals on the 2 meter
amateur band. Other ham operators will pick it up and-in most areas of the
US-put it on the internet where it can be viewed in real time at aprs.fi s
uperimposed on a map. Each dot that makes up the track shows altitude, head
ing, speed, lat/long. Benefits are no cost and anyone with your call sign c
an follow your track. Drawbacks are spotty coverage in some areas and anyon
e with your call sign can follow your track. My transmitter is controlled b
y a panel switch so it only works when I want it to. Check out http://www.b
yonics.com/microtrak/ for equipment and prices. He will also pre-program yo
ur transmitter for you if desired. I have used it flying in all of the lowe
r 48 and found very few holes in coverage.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
I'd have to agree with Albert. Don't pass up checking out
APRS. There's not a lot of work to go into it to get it
working on your plane, and in the long run it is the
cheapest AND the best resolution method to go with
for most people, if your friends and family want to track
you.
I actually own all 3 methods of tracking or position finding:
(4 if you count ELT)
1) 406Mhz GPS integrated PLB
2) APRS GPS Tracker
3) SPOT Connect messenger
4) 406 Mhz GPS integrated ELT
Of these, nothing compares to the track you'll get with APRS.
You can set the interval down to 1-2 minutes and get a nice
smooth track, or, in the config options, it will automatically
send your position info if you vary in heading by X degrees,
and repeat at a faster interval. This gives a really good
smooth track on many turns. You can see altitude and speed
and all that good stuff too. Makes it fun to have people watch
and see when you're doing 250kts in a tailwind. Also, because
it's a free, no-subscription, no-batteries service, you
can get one and have years and years of tracking and not
be forking over money all the time.
The SPOT Connect does work, just like any SPOT does, and I
do have the tracking option. It gives a pretty crude track
because it only updates every 10 minutes. Even if you
force an update, it won't update at fast intervals. That
is an annoying feature but they do it to save satellite
bandwidth. With the SPOT connect, you can at least send
text email messages (very small ones), which is kind of
nice. But, I find that it's not a service I'd use much.
It has it's place though. The message packs aren't dirt
cheap for custom messages, so rather than keep paying
fees (I think I pay $150/yr?), I just don't use it for
messaging much. Where it *is* nice, is that it gives you
a tracker to use while off the 48 continental states.
You can get a ways off the coast with APRS, but only
about TO the islands of the Bahamas. Once further, you
can't be tracked on APRS. I bought one just for the
Bahamas trip and a planned Alaska trip. Other than that,
I really could do without it. I've been bouncing around
the idea of renting it out for a nominal fee, just to
cut the wasted cost...since I only need it maybe 1-2 weeks
in a year. It would be the first item I'd skip, if push
comes to shove. APRS would be hard to give up. I am NOT
a fan of subscription fees...we pay far too much for
navdata and cellphones, and internet, and TV and all the
other things to have one more thing to pay for. The SPOT
can make a good search/recovery tool, but I'd argue that
while it is good, if you're just looking to be rescued
you'd probably do better with a PLB. Even the Lithium
battery costs will add up over time.
The 406Mhz PLB is the actual NOAA registered location
device that I think would be my last to give up.
It's the one thing that you know will be searched for
if you're alive and on foot after a crash. They're great
for boats, for planes, and other travels too. A SPOT
could be useful as well, but at least with a PLB you
don't pay annual fees. You only have to worry about the
5 year battery replacement. You know though, that if
you push the button, they'll come looking.
The 406Mhz ELT really just adds the benefit of something
that will automatically work if you crash. I think it's
a good idea to have one, but throw in a handheld PLB
and you're really in good shape to get found if you're
lost. No sense not putting in a 406 anymore, if you plan
on traveling outside the 48.
If it sounds like I'm anti-SPOT, I'm not. I really think
it's a nice thing. If I could hardwire the power,
and it had a remote antenna, I'd even be happier. I just
dislike subscription fees, and I think the quality of
your track is so much nicer with APRS that you should
really look at your goal. If you want to be tracked,
APRS is fantastic. If you want to be found, the 406
Mhz products are great. The SPOT is just a compromise
between both of them....not perfect for either but
does both fairly well....at a price.
Tim
On 3/21/2012 12:44 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Lots of info on aviation use here:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=104
>
> Michael
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Albert
> Gardner *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:28 AM *To:*
> rv10-list(at)matronics.com *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: First long cross
> country
>
> For those newly flying, dont ignore the Amateur Radio tracking
> system or Amateur Position Reporting System (APRS). It uses a small,
> inexpensive 2 meter burst transmitter, a web sitehttp://aprs.fi and
> has no fees for usage. You are required to have a Ham License but
> they are not difficult to study for and obtain. My transmitter is one
> of the early one costing about $300 but later ones are less than $200
> and there are portable models. After the transmitter is programmed
> with your call sign and optionally, your tail number, it will
> automatically transmit at pre-selected intervals on the 2 meter
> amateur band. Other ham operators will pick it up andin most areas
> of the USput it on the internet where it can be viewed in real time
> at aprs.fi superimposed on a map. Each dot that makes up the track
> shows altitude, heading, speed, lat/long. Benefits are no cost and
> anyone with your call sign can follow your track. Drawbacks are
> spotty coverage in some areas and anyone with your call sign can
> follow your track. My transmitter is controlled by a panel switch so
> it only works when I want it to. Check
> outhttp://www.byonics.com/microtrak/ for equipment and prices. He
> will also pre-program your transmitter for you if desired. I have
> used it flying in all of the lower 48 and found very few holes in
> coverage.
>
> Albert Gardner
>
> N991RV
>
> Yuma, AZ
>
> * *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
The only advantage I see to SPOT is that you can pay extra per year if you
travel in countries that do not have organized SAR. If you go missing they
will pay for a private SAR. I use APRS, Flight Aware, PLBs and 121.5 ELT. I
think that SPOT would work even for international airline travel. Imagine a
SAR effort in central Africa? Or Egypt? Or current Libya?
BTW, there are areas of the US where APRS coverage is non existent at low
altitudes. For example, my last APRS hit was 5690 MSL about five miles SE of
L06 (elevation -210) on the flight into L06.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: APRS
I'd have to agree with Albert. Don't pass up checking out
APRS. There's not a lot of work to go into it to get it
working on your plane, and in the long run it is the
cheapest AND the best resolution method to go with
for most people, if your friends and family want to track
you.
I actually own all 3 methods of tracking or position finding:
(4 if you count ELT)
1) 406Mhz GPS integrated PLB
2) APRS GPS Tracker
3) SPOT Connect messenger
4) 406 Mhz GPS integrated ELT
Of these, nothing compares to the track you'll get with APRS.
You can set the interval down to 1-2 minutes and get a nice
smooth track, or, in the config options, it will automatically
send your position info if you vary in heading by X degrees,
and repeat at a faster interval. This gives a really good
smooth track on many turns. You can see altitude and speed
and all that good stuff too. Makes it fun to have people watch
and see when you're doing 250kts in a tailwind. Also, because
it's a free, no-subscription, no-batteries service, you
can get one and have years and years of tracking and not
be forking over money all the time.
The SPOT Connect does work, just like any SPOT does, and I
do have the tracking option. It gives a pretty crude track
because it only updates every 10 minutes. Even if you
force an update, it won't update at fast intervals. That
is an annoying feature but they do it to save satellite
bandwidth. With the SPOT connect, you can at least send
text email messages (very small ones), which is kind of
nice. But, I find that it's not a service I'd use much.
It has it's place though. The message packs aren't dirt
cheap for custom messages, so rather than keep paying
fees (I think I pay $150/yr?), I just don't use it for
messaging much. Where it *is* nice, is that it gives you
a tracker to use while off the 48 continental states.
You can get a ways off the coast with APRS, but only
about TO the islands of the Bahamas. Once further, you
can't be tracked on APRS. I bought one just for the
Bahamas trip and a planned Alaska trip. Other than that,
I really could do without it. I've been bouncing around
the idea of renting it out for a nominal fee, just to
cut the wasted cost...since I only need it maybe 1-2 weeks
in a year. It would be the first item I'd skip, if push
comes to shove. APRS would be hard to give up. I am NOT
a fan of subscription fees...we pay far too much for
navdata and cellphones, and internet, and TV and all the
other things to have one more thing to pay for. The SPOT
can make a good search/recovery tool, but I'd argue that
while it is good, if you're just looking to be rescued
you'd probably do better with a PLB. Even the Lithium
battery costs will add up over time.
The 406Mhz PLB is the actual NOAA registered location
device that I think would be my last to give up.
It's the one thing that you know will be searched for
if you're alive and on foot after a crash. They're great
for boats, for planes, and other travels too. A SPOT
could be useful as well, but at least with a PLB you
don't pay annual fees. You only have to worry about the
5 year battery replacement. You know though, that if
you push the button, they'll come looking.
The 406Mhz ELT really just adds the benefit of something
that will automatically work if you crash. I think it's
a good idea to have one, but throw in a handheld PLB
and you're really in good shape to get found if you're
lost. No sense not putting in a 406 anymore, if you plan
on traveling outside the 48.
If it sounds like I'm anti-SPOT, I'm not. I really think
it's a nice thing. If I could hardwire the power,
and it had a remote antenna, I'd even be happier. I just
dislike subscription fees, and I think the quality of
your track is so much nicer with APRS that you should
really look at your goal. If you want to be tracked,
APRS is fantastic. If you want to be found, the 406
Mhz products are great. The SPOT is just a compromise
between both of them....not perfect for either but
does both fairly well....at a price.
Tim
On 3/21/2012 12:44 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Lots of info on aviation use here:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=104
>
> Michael
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Albert
> Gardner *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:28 AM *To:*
> rv10-list(at)matronics.com *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: First long cross
> country
>
> For those newly flying, don't ignore the Amateur Radio tracking
> system or Amateur Position Reporting System (APRS). It uses a small,
> inexpensive 2 meter burst transmitter, a web sitehttp://aprs.fi and
> has no fees for usage. You are required to have a Ham License but
> they are not difficult to study for and obtain. My transmitter is one
> of the early one costing about $300 but later ones are less than $200
> and there are portable models. After the transmitter is programmed
> with your call sign and optionally, your tail number, it will
> automatically transmit at pre-selected intervals on the 2 meter
> amateur band. Other ham operators will pick it up and-in most areas
> of the US-put it on the internet where it can be viewed in real time
> at aprs.fi superimposed on a map. Each dot that makes up the track
> shows altitude, heading, speed, lat/long. Benefits are no cost and
> anyone with your call sign can follow your track. Drawbacks are
> spotty coverage in some areas and anyone with your call sign can
> follow your track. My transmitter is controlled by a panel switch so
> it only works when I want it to. Check
> outhttp://www.byonics.com/microtrak/ for equipment and prices. He
> will also pre-program your transmitter for you if desired. I have
> used it flying in all of the lower 48 and found very few holes in
> coverage.
>
> Albert Gardner
>
> N991RV
>
> Yuma, AZ
>
> * *
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
| From: | "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com> |
I have this cheap chinese USB to serial adapter from ebay:
USB to RS232 Serial DB9 COM Cable Adapter HL340 Z
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-to-RS232-Serial-DB9-COM-Cable-Adapter-HL340-Z-/160506203551?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255eea4d9f#ht_3251wt_1396
It says HL-340 on it. It works fine with the NavWorx box, or any other rs232 device.
Windows 7 also installs drivers for it automatically, no driver CD needed.
I also have an IoGear GBS301 rs232 to bluetooth adapter. I never tried it with
the NavWorx box, but i don't see why it wouldn't work as it works with most serial
devices i have tried. Used a windows laptop though, not an iPad.
It's probably easier to just plug in a $5 cable...
Lenny
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369116#369116
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
Those are the exact same ones I found that were cheap. I got
some with a cable, and some that were just a 2" port adapter.
Back when I got them I think I even paid like $1-$2 each
for the short ones and maybe $3-5 for these, but probably
with combined shipping. I wanted to have a bunch around.
Some day it would be cool to have that bluetooth
adapter, but I don't know that the iPad would support
the Serial bluetooth profile, and even if it did, I don't
know that they have a Com terminal app....so I'm still
hoping to find one that works via wi-fi so I can use
a telnet/ssh app. If I had a wi-fi one, I'd use it often
at work.
Tim
On 3/22/2012 1:11 AM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lenny
> Iszak"
>
> I have this cheap chinese USB to serial adapter from ebay:
>
> USB to RS232 Serial DB9 COM Cable Adapter HL340 Z
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-to-RS232-Serial-DB9-COM-Cable-Adapter-HL340-Z-/160506203551?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255eea4d9f#ht_3251wt_1396
>
> It says HL-340 on it. It works fine with the NavWorx box, or any
> other rs232 device. Windows 7 also installs drivers for it
> automatically, no driver CD needed.
>
> I also have an IoGear GBS301 rs232 to bluetooth adapter. I never
> tried it with the NavWorx box, but i don't see why it wouldn't work
> as it works with most serial devices i have tried. Used a windows
> laptop though, not an iPad.
>
> It's probably easier to just plug in a $5 cable...
>
> Lenny
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369116#369116
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
> Imagine a SAR effort in central Africa? Or Egypt? Or current Libya?
Since 70.8% of the earth is covered by water (leaving only 29.2% for land), I would
suggest something more practical....
John[/quote]
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369141#369141
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nikolaos Napoli <napolin(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FWF Fuel Line Torque Values |
Pascal
Thanks for the reply. I notice that the torque values for some of the fittings
themselves such as fuel inlet to fuel servo are lower than what Aeroquip specifies
for the hoses. I wonder if the intent is to have a lower torque onthe flexible
hose fitting than the fitting to fuel servo so one doesnot inadvertantly
loosen the fitting from the fuel servo while removing the flexible hose.
Nikolaos Napoli
On Mar 14, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> I used Aeroquip's settings for all lines. (brake, oil, fuel, etc)
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nikolaos Napoli
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:40 AM
> To: Matronics
> Subject: RV10-List: FWF Fuel Line Torque Values
>
>
> I am wondering what the correct torque value for the FWF fuel and oil lines is.
The Lycoming Overhaul Manual has fairly low torque values for "flexible hose
or tube fittings " in the order of 30 to 35 in-lbs with corresponding values
of over 100in-lb from Aeroquip and similar sources. Not sure which values to
use.
>
>
> Thanks
> Niko
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flap actuation |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
Bill,
Keep me posted on both flap and ads-b, as I will be right behind you. Thanks to
all you -10 guys!
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369168#369168
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Edgerton" <w.edgerton(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Tunnel access panels |
I remember someone having access panels for the tunnel for sale but I
can't seem to find them Anyone have that info?
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tunnel access panels |
I installed this one and it works great!
http://www.airward.com/amelia/search.asp?store=airward&action=Search&
ShowDetails=True&ShowImages=True&cat=10000016&subcat_10000003=100
00016
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel access panels
I remember someone having access panels for the tunnel for sale but I
can't seem to find them Anyone have that info?
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tunnel access panels |
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel access panels
I remember someone having access panels for the tunnel for sale but I
can't seem to find them Anyone have that info?
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
An update; I just finished the install in my RV-10 and it seems to work
fine. The configuration includes display on 3 GRT HX displays, a
GTX327, and a G430W. I have a few pictures and random notes here:
http://www.mykitlog.com/mauledriver
The various wiring options can be challenging to decipher. I
circumvented that by asking FastStack to provide a wiring harness to add
to my FastStack wiring hub. They wired every option that was possible
between the GRT HXs, the GTX 327, the G430W, and the NavWorx box. I
just had to determine what options I actually had (e.g. no ARINC on the
Navworx) and configure accordingly.
I got both Nexrad images and traffic going on one display. Need to make
some GRT config changes to get them across all 3 displays.
The way I understand things is that the ADS-B box supplies 2 separate
functions - weather and the 'traffic stuff'. The box takes 2 power
leads and 2 ground leads which I think reflects the separation. It
also requires 2 antenna - a GPS antenna and a UAT (transponder type)
antenna. I installed both just to keep things simple rather than trying
to share a GPS antenna or signal.
* The weather is on all the time. According to Bill Moffitt there are
12 weather functions but access to them is dependent on the
equipment you are displaying on. GRT supports 3 of them - Nexrad,
Metars, and TAFs at this time. Someone on the GRT group pointed out
that if you turn off the Nexrad, airports are colored coded into
VFR, MFR and IFR... I'll call that a 4th function.
* The traffic stuff is 'controlled' in a sense by the GTX327 which
acts as a control panel. When in standby or off - no traffic in or
out. No real operation or control required but good to understand
that. The 'suppression' function is operational so there should be
no need to coordinate squawk codes. The Navworx box sees what the
327 is squawking and doesn't produce or display duplicate info.
* The G430W is wired in but is not functional in my installation. No
desire to display traffic there.
People have reported some difficulties with the install and I can see
how it has had to evolve but I can report that it seems to be in a
pretty good place right now. The need to use a PC as a configuration
console was one of the obstacles but NavWorx seems to have upgraded the
terminal software and integrated it with the process for delivering
software updates. Once I figured out how to recycle some junk to get a
com port for my laptop, no problems. The only time the console is
required is for future software updates.
Bill Moffitt at NavWorx is a good guy to work with and seems more than
willing to provide the needed assistance.
I've never had traffic before so being able to see nearby traffic on my
first test flight was a revelation. The Nexrad imagery seemed a bit
more 'pixelated' than the XM but looks fine. Still testing but I was
just thinking that a run down to Sun & Fun might be called for....
Bill Watson
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| From: | "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com> |
I am not a user of APRS, a HAM license has been on my to do list for a while.
After reading Tims post I started thinking about sending a text message via the
armature radio bands while in flight. Essentially that is all they are doing
with APRS, right?
So a quick search revealed this link: http://www.winlink.org/
Are text messages to the iPad the limit, how about a ping to a service to return
a METAR Might be a day late and dollar short in these days of XM and ADSB,
but food for thought. - Jason
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369210#369210
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
Some of that stuff could be done, I'm sure, but it would
take a person actually wanting to spend time on the
programming end to run the service. Given that these
days you can get that METAR data via Satellite with WSI/XM,
and plenty of Wx with ADS-B for no cost, I don't know that
there would be enough practical interest in it. But short
emails would definitely be useful. I know many people who
would like that. You'd likely end up with a 1 way
capability, just like on a SPOT though....but it's
better than nothing. I know there are people out there doing
it today, if you read the APRS forum on VAF, but I think
it's a bit clumsy in that you have to put a control head
on the APRS to do it. If it were a slick iphone interface,
then I bet there would be tons of people doing it.
In time, I'm sure you'll see more. You won't want to use it
for sending emails as long as this one though. ;)
Besides that, it isn't private, so anyone could read them.
Tim
On 3/23/2012 7:54 AM, jkreidler wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jkreidler"
>
> I am not a user of APRS, a HAM license has been on my to do list for a while.
After reading Tims post I started thinking about sending a text message via
the armature radio bands while in flight. Essentially that is all they are doing
with APRS, right?
> So a quick search revealed this link: http://www.winlink.org/
> Are text messages to the iPad the limit, how about a ping to a service to return
a METAR Might be a day late and dollar short in these days of XM and ADSB,
but food for thought. - Jason
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369210#369210
>
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
The suggestion to get METAR and METAF in flight is also being done by WingX on
the IPAD with the cellular ON. I have been riding to OSH in a warbird and with
a cellular active IPAD have been sending and receiving emails as I pass cell
towers along the way.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: APRS
Some of that stuff could be done, I'm sure, but it would
take a person actually wanting to spend time on the
programming end to run the service. Given that these
days you can get that METAR data via Satellite with WSI/XM,
and plenty of Wx with ADS-B for no cost, I don't know that
there would be enough practical interest in it. But short
emails would definitely be useful. I know many people who
would like that. You'd likely end up with a 1 way
capability, just like on a SPOT though....but it's
better than nothing. I know there are people out there doing
it today, if you read the APRS forum on VAF, but I think
it's a bit clumsy in that you have to put a control head
on the APRS to do it. If it were a slick iphone interface,
then I bet there would be tons of people doing it.
In time, I'm sure you'll see more. You won't want to use it
for sending emails as long as this one though. ;)
Besides that, it isn't private, so anyone could read them.
Tim
On 3/23/2012 7:54 AM, jkreidler wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jkreidler"
>
> I am not a user of APRS, a HAM license has been on my to do list for a while.
After reading Tims post I started thinking about sending a text message via
the armature radio bands while in flight. Essentially that is all they are doing
with APRS, right?
> So a quick search revealed this link: http://www.winlink.org/
> Are text messages to the iPad the limit, how about a ping to a service to return
a METAR Might be a day late and dollar short in these days of XM and ADSB,
but food for thought. - Jason
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369210#369210
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Pirep On Rod End Bearing Tool... |
Fellow Builders,
I building a new rudder for 'ol Ruby Vixen and was pondering how to install the
rod end bearings after the leading edge is formed. I think I did it the first
time with a pliers or something that kind of scratched the bearing and ran the
risk of tweaking the leading edge. I was surfing around on Flyboy Accessories
this week and found this sweet Rod End Bearing Tool. It arrived today and
I can't believe how awesome it is. It totally works as good as you would imagine.
Order one today!! You won't be sorry.
(No connection with FB or the tool maker; just a really impressed owner.)
http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=70&products_id=408
Rod End Bearing Tool - Click Image to Close
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 70+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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| Subject: | Re: Pirep On Rod End Bearing Tool... |
| From: | "charliewaffles" <mcooper(at)live.com> |
Honestly, I made the same thing with about $1 in parts from Home Depot. If you
don't want to do that, or prefer someone else to to it, then by all means, get
it from Fly Boy.
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| Subject: | Milestone: How to mount the wings and take them off in 6 min |
| From: | "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> |
[Wink]
Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exnL2QTnzJc
Mike
--------
RV-10 builder (interior & finishing)
#511
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| Subject: | Riveting HS "horizontally"? |
| From: | "EdKranz" <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone see any potential issues riveting the HS together as it sits flat in
the cradles instead of vertically as depicted in the plans? It seems like it
will be MUCH easier to buck the rivets in this orientation.
Pic included to clarify:
--------
Ed Kranz
41347
Working on Emp Kit
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| Subject: | Re: Milestone: How to mount the wings and take them off in |
6 min
| From: | "Phil White" <philwhite9(at)aol.com> |
SIX Minutes?!? Geesh, it took us 90 minutes to move mine out of the one car garage,
hang 2 wings and the tail feathers, photograph it, then put it all back.
But, of course, we only had 2 people to do the work. [Wink]
Mazda 20-B conversion progressing. This one will fly yet!
(And, it will likely be the least expensive one in the air.)
Phil White
#40220
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Riveting HS "horizontally"? |
That's how I did it (one person). Didn't use the cradles, just laid it
down on 2 workbenches. Allowed me to sit while riveting and as you soon
find out, the more comfortable you are, the better job you tend to do.
Bill Watson
N215TG flying
On 3/26/2012 4:04 PM, EdKranz wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "EdKranz"
>
> Does anyone see any potential issues riveting the HS together as it sits flat
in the cradles instead of vertically as depicted in the plans? It seems like
it will be MUCH easier to buck the rivets in this orientation.
>
> Pic included to clarify:
>
> --------
> Ed Kranz
> 41347
> Working on Emp Kit
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Anybody here going to S&F? |
We're planning to go down this Wednesday - maybe 2 days. Hopefully meet
some of the vendor folks I've been talking to.
Bill Watson
N215TG
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | AOPA Digital Charts survey |
Hi all,
If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc
It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in
the comment blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a
1 line field so it looked too small.
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Anybody here going to S&F? |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
I'll be in the Maverick booth most of the week (right next to Van's).
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> We're planning to go down this Wednesday - maybe 2 days. Hopefully meet some
of the vendor folks I've been talking to.
>
> Bill Watson
> N215TG
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
Thanks Tim. Done.
I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry that
big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!
One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of use
digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2) to
always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have
multiple digital backups.
Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless. Foreflight
on the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero
bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.
Bill "a day at S&F" Watson
On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
>
>
> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc
>
> It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in
> the comment blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a
> 1 line field so it looked too small.
> Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
For me it's a huge safety and convenience thing. I used to buy
only my portion of the US and then buy individual charts for trips.
Planning a trip to Florida meant spending $75 on paper that I'd
only use that week. It was a freakin' waste. I didn't use
the charts most of the time, but you had to have them.
With the RV-10, I often don't know where I'm even going until
the day we leave, and that may mean tomorrow we could go
Wisconsin to South Carolina. There is no time to order charts
and plan. So having 100% US coverage is a huge bonus.
It's also a huge safety thing...to have proper chart data so
you don't bust airspace, use improper freq's, and such.
But, if they jack the cost up I'll just drop most
of my subscriptions. It will come at a cost of safety,
but I'm not paying for 3 EFB products (well, one is lifetime),
if I have to pay big chart fees.
So they need to consider the long term effects of
some of the choices they make.
Charge planes $100 to file an IFR plan? Fine, just fly VFR
and stay low. Now, how safe will THAT be?
Most aviation rule changes were paid for in blood...
honestly...and they should remember that.
Tim
On 3/26/2012 4:19 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Thanks Tim. Done.
>
> I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry that
> big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!
>
> One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of use
> digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2) to
> always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have
> multiple digital backups.
>
> Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless. Foreflight on
> the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero
> bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.
>
> Bill "a day at S&F" Watson
>
> On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
>> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
>>
>>
>> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc
>>
>> It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in
>> the comment blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a
>> 1 line field so it looked too small.
>> Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 3/26/2012 5:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> I know it's been discussed a bunch already, but when my Foreflight subscription
runs out I'll be looking at alternatives. Seems like a lot of folks prefer
Wingx, any updated thoughts?
>
I was looking for a replacement for my aging Garmin 295 handheld,
and WingX easily won the competition with Foreflight for the in-flight
stuff. I think Foreflight has better pre-flight planning, but doesn't
really compare for the in-flight needs.
WingX has a 30 day free trial. You may consider giving it a try
before your Foreflight subscription runs out to see how you like it.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody here going to S&F? |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
Snf 2013 yes. Osh 2012 yes.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
| From: | Chris Colohan <rv10(at)colohan.com> |
Note that the survey link Tim sent includes a session ID (SID) string. It
is possible, depending on how this is set up, that anyone who follows Tim's
link and fills out the survey simply overwrites the previous person's data.
To make sure your answers count, search your inbox for an email from AOPA
titled "AOPA Digital Chart Use Survey". That will have a personalized and
unique link just for you to use.
Chris
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
>
>
> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?**SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc>
>
> It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in
> the comment blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a
> 1 line field so it looked too small.
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody here going to S&F? |
| From: | "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com> |
Arrived on Sunday and will be here for the week. I will be in the workshops teaching
how to rivet. - Jason
Do no archive
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody here going to S&F? |
| From: | Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Only two rv10 s. here. Pretty sparse turn out as of Monday night. Weather is great.
Patrick thyssen
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 26, 2012, at 9:29 PM, "rv10flyer" wrote:
>
> Snf 2013 yes. Osh 2012 yes.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
> 40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
> N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369383#369383
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody here going to S&F? |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I'll be there Thursday through Saturday. Haven't seen Bill since our fiberglass
class at Dave Saylor's place years ago.
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Watch out for the 1,000 lb gorilla!
Garmin has jumped into the iPad market, and is directly competing with WingX and
Foreflight.
Same price for annual subscription; I think they're cheaper for geo-referenced.
How long before they drive the others out, have a monopoly, raise prices?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
Another interesting development is the Stratus ADS-B receiver exclusively for Foreflight,
sold by Sporty's. $799 for the box, which has a Li-Ion battery and
internal antennas (including GPS & Wifi), and can connect to up to 4 devices at
a time. You can also hook up an external ADS-B antenna for areas where the coverage
is weak. I was considering getting the Baron box to hook up to XM, but
this will pay for itself in a year vs XM, and is extremely portable. Traffic
"is not supported yet."
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:31 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
>
> Watch out for the 1,000 lb gorilla!
>
> Garmin has jumped into the iPad market, and is directly competing with WingX
and Foreflight.
>
> Same price for annual subscription; I think they're cheaper for geo-referenced.
>
> How long before they drive the others out, have a monopoly, raise prices?
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369432#369432
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Preid <Rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
Looks like one needs the future fore flight release 4.5 in April before it will
work however
Wing X has the same option with another vendor
Now if they can get traffic with ADS versus just the weather. Good start
Pascal
On Mar 27, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> Another interesting development is the Stratus ADS-B receiver exclusively for
Foreflight, sold by Sporty's. $799 for the box, which has a Li-Ion battery and
internal antennas (including GPS & Wifi), and can connect to up to 4 devices
at a time. You can also hook up an external ADS-B antenna for areas where the
coverage is weak. I was considering getting the Baron box to hook up to XM, but
this will pay for itself in a year vs XM, and is extremely portable. Traffic
"is not supported yet."
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse(at)itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> www.mavericklsa.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> O: 352-465-4545
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:31 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
>
>>
>> Watch out for the 1,000 lb gorilla!
>>
>> Garmin has jumped into the iPad market, and is directly competing with WingX
and Foreflight.
>>
>> Same price for annual subscription; I think they're cheaper for geo-referenced.
>>
>> How long before they drive the others out, have a monopoly, raise prices?
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369432#369432
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 3/27/2012 8:54 PM, Preid wrote:
> Now if they can get traffic with ADS versus just the weather. Good start
> Pascal
>
That is the magic mark for me. If/When WingX supports the display
of ADS-B traffic, I will be investing in the ADS-B hardware (transmitter
and receiver). The traffic is actually more important to me than the
weather. No word from Hilton if this will happen, though, and I'm also
hoping we will see lower cost ADS-B hardware this year, maybe at OSH?
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
My understanding is that Skyradar has had traffic for a year or more.
Not sure if it was in WingX or not, but believe it was.
On 3/27/2012 6:31 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> On 3/27/2012 8:54 PM, Preid wrote:
>> Now if they can get traffic with ADS versus just the weather. Good start
>> Pascal
>>
>
> That is the magic mark for me. If/When WingX supports the display
> of ADS-B traffic, I will be investing in the ADS-B hardware
> (transmitter and receiver). The traffic is actually more important to
> me than the weather. No word from Hilton if this will happen, though,
> and I'm also hoping we will see lower cost ADS-B hardware this year,
> maybe at OSH?
>
> -Dj
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 3/27/2012 11:00 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> My understanding is that Skyradar has had traffic for a year or more.
> Not sure if it was in WingX or not, but believe it was.
>
The Skyradar ADS-B hardware does send both weather and traffic info
to the iPad. However, the WingX program only displays the weather. The
current version does not display traffic.
Yes, if you run the Skyradar iPad app you will get both weather and
traffic displayed, but then you'd be giving up the WingX program, which
was the whole point of putting the iPad in my plane in the first
place... :-)
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Stratus: New for iPad and Foreflight |
This looks interesting.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
Appareo Rolls Out Portable In-Flight Weather For iPad
High Performance, Subscription-Free Receiver Made For Foreflight
The first completely wire-free weather receiver for the iPad has been
introduced by Appareo, and it requires no monthly subscription. Stratus
combines an ADS-B and GPS receiver into a single unit that wirelessly
streams NEXRAD radar, text weather, TFRs and aircraft position to the
popular ForeFlight Mobile app for iOS devices. $799.00
http://www.appareo.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&produc
ts_id=6
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Foreflight said on their Facebook page that they have no plans to develop
traffic capability.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> On 3/27/2012 11:00 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>>
>> My understanding is that Skyradar has had traffic for a year or more. Not
>> sure if it was in WingX or not, but believe it was.
>>
>>
>
> The Skyradar ADS-B hardware does send both weather and traffic info to
> the iPad. However, the WingX program only displays the weather. The
> current version does not display traffic.
>
> Yes, if you run the Skyradar iPad app you will get both weather and
> traffic displayed, but then you'd be giving up the WingX program, which was
> the whole point of putting the iPad in my plane in the first place... :-)
>
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Stratus: New for iPad and Foreflight |
The same unit that Sporty's is promoting.
http://www.sportys.com/PilotShop/product/17165
I am happy someone is sticking it to XM.
BTW backordered 1 month, probably longer after SNF.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Stratus: New for iPad and Foreflight
This looks interesting.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
Appareo Rolls Out Portable In-Flight Weather For iPad
High Performance, Subscription-Free Receiver Made For Foreflight
The first completely wire-free weather receiver for the iPad has been intro
duced by Appareo, and it requires no monthly subscription. Stratus combines
an ADS-B and GPS receiver into a single unit that wirelessly streams NEXRA
D radar, text weather, TFRs and aircraft position to the popular ForeFlight
Mobile app for iOS devices. $799.00
http://www.appareo.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&p
roducts_id=6
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus: New for iPad and Foreflight |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
I ordered one the first day of the show, so I'll do a report after I have it
up and running. They said they would be shipping around April 23rd.
Has anyone downloaded the Garmin App? I've heard mixed feelings from people w
ho have seen the demo.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 30, 2012, at 12:35 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
> The same unit that Sporty's is promoting.
> http://www.sportys.com/PilotShop/product/17165
> I am happy someone is sticking it to XM.
> BTW backordered 1 month, probably longer after SNF.
> Robin
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:06 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Stratus: New for iPad and Foreflight
>
> This looks interesting.
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
> Appareo Rolls Out Portable In-Flight Weather For iPad
> High Performance, Subscription-Free Receiver Made For Foreflight
> The first completely wire-free weather receiver for the iPad has been intr
oduced by Appareo, and it requires no monthly subscription. Stratus combines
an ADS-B and GPS receiver into a single unit that wirelessly streams NEXRAD
radar, text weather, TFRs and aircraft position to the popular ForeFlight M
obile app for iOS devices. $799.00
> http://www.appareo.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&
products_id=6
>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | RV10s and S&F Departures |
So we did our day trip to S&F and it was fine. Met most of the people
I've been talking to while flying off the first year.
Upon departure the 'air boss', for lack of a better handle, seemed to be
sorting fast traffic from slower traffic by assigning 9L to the slow
(Cessna and Cherokee type) from the fast (RVs Lancelots, and Cirri) on
9R. If that was the plan, I found it wanting as I lined up behind
several Piper products on 9L while the many RVs on 9R were given a "...
that fine red and gold RV 7 is cleared to go on 9R".
Okay, so on a gray daythe 10 resembles a lot of Lock Haven product , but
it is an RV! And btw, it out climbs and out runs just about everything
that looks like it.
Well, after throttling back and S-turning trying to stay in trail for
those first 3 miles, I couldn't avoid passing 2 planes before decidind
to exit the conga line while running up on a third. This thing can
really go!
So, Mr. 'air boss', figure out what an RV10 looks like, understand that
it performs like every other RV, and keep that slower sheet metal out of
the freakin' way!
Bill 'nuff said' Watson
-smile-
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| Subject: | Re: RV10s and S&F Departures |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
Maybe that RV-10 logo on my cowling will help after all. Glad you made it back
safely. At least you could start leaning early this way.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369607#369607
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| Subject: | Inertial Reels and fuel exhaustion |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
I just read an article in the latest "Sport Aviation" about a Lancair IV-P
pilot who crashed due to fuel exhaustion. After the crash, the cabin was
intact, and the crash should have been survivable. Unfortunately, he hit
his head on the dash because he wasn't wearing his shoulder harness.
The reason he wasn't wearing the shoulder harness was that you couldn't
reach the fuel selector switch in that version of the Lancair while fully
strapped in. The pilot most likely removed his harness when the engine quit
in order to switch tanks, then either couldn't reach the belts again, or
never had time to.
This raises two questions for me. First, when you are fully strapped in
tight in a -10, is there anything critical that you can't reach? And
second, is there a safe setup for inertial reel shoulder harnesses for the
-10?
Here is the article I referenced. It's a good read:
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201204?folio=24#pg26
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| Subject: | Re: Inertial Reels and fuel exhaustion |
| From: | "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> |
There is nothing important I cannot easily reach while strapped in tightly. The
main nuisance thing I can't reach without loosening the shoulder harness a bit,
is the copilot air vent.
There are some inertia reel installations in -10's out there. One was a kit that
beefed up the attach points in a big way. There were some posts on that kit
recently either on this forum or VAF. I think the manufacturer has stopped producing
the kit due to lack of demand, but was open to the idea of offering it
again if there is some demand. I've looked at a couple that would simply bolt
to the existing harness bolts, but have not followed up.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369614#369614
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Stratus: New for iPad and Foreflight |
I have played with the Garmin app for a few hours. It is graphically pleasi
ng and seems to do most if not all of the same things Foreflight does. I am
more comfortable with Foreflight and there are many little things that bot
h apps do that are just more intuitive and faster responding in Foreflight.
Basic items like selecting an airport to get the specifics in FF you just
tap on the chart airport icon but in the Garmin app you have to touch and h
old to bring up a Ring with multiple options such as info, direct to, curre
nt weather icon etc... Unfortunately you really need to zoom in a bit to pr
operly tap the airport graphic and the hold time required seems awkward vs
the Tap on FF, especially when you miss the icon a bit and it asks if you w
ant to add this spot as a waypoint. So far I also prefer the graphical flig
ht planning on FF better. All that being said for a fresh release it is a v
ery strong flight app that takes its graphical cues from Garmins new touchs
creen 650/750 products which I suspect will become more and more ubiquitous
over time.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Mar 30, 2012, at 6:14 AM, "Jesse Saint" > wrote:
I ordered one the first day of the show, so I'll do a report after I have i
t up and running. They said they would be shipping around April 23rd.
Has anyone downloaded the Garmin App? I've heard mixed feelings from people
who have seen the demo.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org<http://www.itecusa.org>
www.mavericklsa.co<http://www.mavericklsa.com>
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545th
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 30, 2012, at 12:35 AM, Robin Marks > wrote:
The same unit that Sporty's is promoting.
http://www.sportys.com/PilotShop/product/17165
I am happy someone is sticking it to XM.
BTW backordered 1 month, probably longer after SNF.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alb
ert Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Stratus: New for iPad and Foreflight
This looks interesting.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
Appareo Rolls Out Portable In-Flight Weather For iPad
High Performance, Subscription-Free Receiver Made For Foreflight
The first completely wire-free weather receiver for the iPad has been intro
duced by Appareo, and it requires no monthly subscription. Stratus combines
an ADS-B and GPS receiver into a single unit that wirelessly streams NEXRA
D radar, text weather, TFRs and aircraft position to the popular ForeFlight
Mobile app for iOS devices. $799.00
http://www.appareo.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&p
roducts_id=6
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| From: | Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Inertial Reels and fuel exhaustion |
David said it exactly as I would have, the only thing I can't reach is the
co-pilot air vent, so no worries.-=0A=0A=0A______________________________
__=0A From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0A
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 7:51 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Inertial Reels a
nd fuel exhaustion=0A =0A=0AI just read an article in the latest "Sport Avi
ation" about a Lancair IV-P pilot who crashed due to fuel exhaustion. After
the crash, the cabin was intact, and the crash should have been survivable
. Unfortunately, he hit his head on the dash because he wasn't wearing his
shoulder harness.-=0A=0AThe reason he wasn't wearing the shoulder harness
was that you couldn't reach the fuel selector switch in that version of th
e Lancair while fully strapped in. The pilot most likely removed his harnes
s when the engine quit in order to switch tanks, then either couldn't reach
the belts again, or never had time to.=0A=0AThis raises two questions for
me. First, when you are fully strapped in tight in a -10, is there anything
critical that you can't reach? And second, is there a safe setup for inert
ial reel shoulder harnesses for the -10?=0A=0AHere is the article I referen
ced. It's a good read:-http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/2
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| From: | "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Inertial Reels and fuel exhaustion |
I have the inertial reels belts and love them....
http://www.n423cf.com/belts/
I do not sell them or represent David. Just have his pages on my site as a
service.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib(at)me.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:07 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Inertial Reels and fuel exhaustion
There is nothing important I cannot easily reach while strapped in tightly.
The main nuisance thing I can't reach without loosening the shoulder harness
a bit, is the copilot air vent.
There are some inertia reel installations in -10's out there. One was a kit
that beefed up the attach points in a big way. There were some posts on that
kit recently either on this forum or VAF. I think the manufacturer has
stopped producing the kit due to lack of demand, but was open to the idea of
offering it again if there is some demand. I've looked at a couple that
would simply bolt to the existing harness bolts, but have not followed up.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369614#369614
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
This is how I mounted mine. This is one for the back but the fronts are esse
ntially the same and essentially use the stock mounting bolt. In a crash, I
don't think the bolt gets pulled down through the roof but rather dragged r
adially through the cabin top.
The greenish part is a simple section of .063 steel tube.
--Dave