RV10-Archive.digest.vol-is
April 30, 2012 - May 24, 2012
>>>> sky, but I will share some of them anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Now, for my experience with the Stratus. YMMV, but this is my
>>>> thought after my short time using it.
>>>>
>>>> For the cost, I think it's about as cheap as any ADS-B unit that I
>>>> have seen, and I figured it would cost about the same as a year work
>>>> of activation and subscription to XM with the better plan, not
>>>> counting the XM hardware.
>>>>
>>>> As far as what coverage is available through ADS-B, I was pleasantly
>>>> surprised to find out today that winds aloft are actually available.
>>>> There are no lightning strikes or Echo Tops, but METARSs, TAFs,
>>>> NOTAMs, Winds Aloft, Radar (high resolution regional and low
>>>> resolution nationwide) and PIREPs are all available (among a few
>>>> other things that I usually don't spend much time with). Personally
>>>> I really like flying with Echo Tops in the -10 because it usually
>>>> accurately lets me know if I will be able to get over the tops or
>>>> will have to go through. Lightning would be nice to have, but
>>>> usually avoiding the red nexrad (which is a good idea) will keep you
>>>> away from most strikes (which is a very good idea), in my
>>>> experience. I will miss those two features, but the most important
>>>> features for me are METARs, TAFs and Radar.
>>>>
>>>> We took off from X35 with the Stratus on the glare shield of the
>>>> RV-10 and watched the LED's on the unit as well as the indication in
>>>> Foreflight of when we got a signal. We got the signal at about 5-600
>>>> feet AGL. Remember that we are in central Florida, so the ADS-B
>>>> coverage here is very good. We had as many as 9 stations at a time
>>>> in our short flight up to 5,500 feet MSL. I really like the Status
>>>> page (see attached pictures) that gives you the information on the
>>>> Stratus. It shows the connectivity, battery status, power source,
>>>> etc and then gives information on what data has been downloaded and
>>>> how long ago. It also shows the grid of satellites that the unit is
>>>> receiving location from and how good the signal is. The accuracy of
>>>> location, including GPS altitude, is the best I have seen among the
>>>> bluetooth GPS, Bad Elf, onboard GPS and the Stratus, with Accuracy
>>>> usually 1-2m.
>>>>
>>>> As you can see from the pictures attached, and as I have already
>>>> mentioned, the weather here was way too good to get great pictures
>>>> as to the usefulness of the Stratus, but it's the best I can offer
>>>> so far. I usually just keep up the map screen with the Radar and
>>>> Flight Rules shown. For information on a specific airport, you can
>>>> just tap on the dot and it will pull up the Metar (and TAF and Winds
>>>> Aloft if available). If you scroll down on the pop-up, you can see
>>>> the METARs of other local airports, as well as how old the report
>>>> is. We must have been getting some medium and/or high altitude ADS-B
>>>> stations, because we were getting national CONUS Radar as well as a
>>>> good range of METARs, PIREPs, etc.
>>>>
>>>> If you zoom out on the map, only the bigger airport Flight Rules
>>>> show up. If you zoom in, it shows everywhere that reports. It will
>>>> also paint the surface winds, cielings, temperature, dew point
>>>> spread, cloud cover, etc. the same way that it does the Flight
>>>> Rules, but this display is my favorite for overall information. It
>>>> will only show one of these at a time, as well as Radar at the same
>>>> time. It will also show TFR's on the map for those who aren't flying
>>>> "in the system".
>>>>
>>>> My overall impression is very good. I am looking forward to taking a
>>>> trip outside the normally shown coverage area, especially after I
>>>> get the external antenna, so I can see how accurate the coverage
>>>> maps are in the 10-18,000 foot range. One nice thing is that if you
>>>> are going through a relatively small area of weak coverage, the
>>>> information stays on the iPad. It just doesn't update, so you still
>>>> should have information, which will start updating as soon as you
>>>> get back within coverage.
>>>>
>>>> The battery on the Stratus has been quite impressive so far. It
>>>> comes with a USB cable for charging, as well as an AC adapter, but
>>>> in a 45 minute flight the battery was still in the 90%'s. It seemed
>>>> to stay put really well on the glare shield and it is low profile,
>>>> so it doesn't get in my way at all for flying.
>>>>
>>>> Can it replace XM? In my opinion, for a great deal of my flying,
>>>> yes, mainly because of where I live and where and how I fly. I much
>>>> prefer the screen size of the iPad to the Garmin Aera, and I like
>>>> the interface much better than the Aera. As an all-in-one unit for
>>>> flight planning, preflight weather, enroute charts, plates, enroute
>>>> weather (with the Stratus), I haven't used anything I think would
>>>> work better (especially for moving from plane to plane) than the
>>>> iPad, Foreflight and the Stratus. It is not for everybody, but for
>>>> those within the coverage area, who move from plane to plane, who
>>>> don't want to have the monthly subscription, I highly recommend it
>>>> based on my experience so far. I'll try to post again after I have
>>>> taken it on a longer trip through some IMC.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I would really like to see in Foreflight would be a Winds
>>>> Aloft display on the map, like with most XM products. They have
>>>> surface winds at airports, which helps, but picking an altitude with
>>>> Winds Aloft information would help. It does calculate Time Enroute
>>>> and overall wind effect for your route in the route planner, so I
>>>> guess you could pick different altitudes and see which one would be
>>>> fastest, but it would be nice to have a chart (like on the Flight
>>>> Cheetah, for the few of you who might have flown with it).
>>>>
>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>>> F: 815-377-3694
>
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel vent modification |
You'd still have to protect the hole from Mud Daubers if you
are in an area where that is something that can happen, but,
there is a way to do a vent in the wing root that shouldn't
cause fume issues:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090525/index.html
I have a one-way checkvalve in there so that if the vent
ices over, I can't have a vacuum collapse on the tank.
I saw this one from the Lancair builders.
Tim
On 4/29/2012 8:21 PM, dmaib(at)me.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib(at)me.com"
>
> That looks like a great solution, Carl. I have tried to use JB Weld to glue a
similar piece of window screen on the existing vent, and it is so small that
it is difficult to get the screen to stay in place.
> It seems to me that the #50 hole on the back of the tube inside the wing root
would work as a way to prevent ice from blocking your vent tube, but couldn't
a mud dauber go past the hole and do it's thing? I also think I would prefer
not to have a vent inside the fairing because of the potential for fumes or avgas
venting inside the fairing.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
> New Smyrna Beach, FL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372110#372110
>
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel vent modification |
Another area for blockages is the end of the fuel quick drains; at 1H0 I
left the Glastar overnight and returned the next day to an egg sac inside
the hole where the fuel cup pin is inserted. Gasoline takes a while to clean
it out; usually quicker to change drains and soak the fitting in acetone or
gasoline overnight.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel vent modification
There just might be some pitot tube covers that would do the trick. Old
aircraft from the post WWII era had pitots that were just 1/4" tubing,
like the Cessnas of that era. Reminds me, should check with airport
maintenance...they collect pitot covers by the dozens off the runways.......
On 4/30/2012 6:18 AM, Michael Sausen wrote:
>
> For anyone that lives in an area where these critters are common, I
> highly recommend you do something to keep them from blocking your
> vent. I had one block the crankcase vent on my motorcycle years ago
> and it took me two trips to the dealership to try and figure out why I
> had oil coming up the clutch cable before one of the guys said check
> your breather for mud daubers and sure enough, it was plugged tight.
> Couple of good raps on the tube and a whole lot of dirt later and the
> problem went away. I'm confident that one of these guys could cause a
> tank collapse from the vacuum.
>
> Michael
>
> ****
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight with Stratus Review |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
I did talk to Foreflight about traffic, and they referred me to the following explanation
of how ADS-B traffic works and why they do not support it:
http://blog.foreflight.com/2012/04/01/pings-pucks-and-why-no-traffic-on-stratus/
Makes sense to me that without ADS-B out, the traffic information will be far from
complete, giving a false sense of security. If you have a way of getting the
ADS-B info from the Navworx box into WingX, then that would be very nice, but
without ADS-B out, you would only get occasional traffic, not all of it. I
have wondered how having ADS-B out makes a difference, but now I understand it.
I had heard that initially the traffic didn't require ADS-B out, but then I
heard that some southern Florida stations did require it, and that other stations
were going to start requiring it.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I had an update to WingX that I downloaded this weekend.
> In the notes it says that it now supports ADS-B Traffic.
> I know Foreflight says they will NOT support traffic
> and do not plan to. They have their reasons for this.
> At any rate, it now is another differentiating factor
> between the 2 apps. I do NOT have ADS-B on my WingX,
> (I feel that having ADS-B/WX integrated in the panel is
> much better than having it on a separate device, if
> possible) so I can't comment on how it works. I also
> do not know if it works with the Stratus device or not.
> But, I just wanted to pass on this tidbit since it is
> also new information.
> Tim
>
>
> On 4/27/2012 7:51 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> And I use my iPad with both Foreflight and WingX (and I had skycharts on
>> there long ago too but never use it anymore). I also use mine for
>> work (remote access) a bunch, and it's also an entertainment device on
>> vacations....movies mostly. So for me, 32Gb would be a minimum,
>> and 64Gb is do-able. In fact, my biggest complaint about the iPhone
>> and iPad is that I wish each had one model higher in capacity.
>> I could really use 64Gb on my iPhone, and I'd love a 128Gb iPad.
>> It's the primary reason I didn't buy an iPhone 4S and "New" iPad...had
>> they increased the capacity I'd have bought one the first day.
>>
>> So Robin is right....you can really save money and if you only want
>> to use it for flying and some minor things, a 16Gb model would work
>> but we aware that you will only be able to have one major app on
>> there for flight software, most likely. I'd *always* recommend
>> the 3G/4G models because even when just in the car the built-in
>> GPS is worth the extra, if you use it for any navigation or mapping.
>> (I keep a road GPS app on there too, with all US coverage)
>> So for many non-entertainment users, 32Gb would be a logical happy
>> medium. If you have kids though, spring for the biggest one you
>> can find. We loaded all of our iPads and iPhones up with movies
>> and entertainment for our last trip and it was nice to have.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/2012 7:23 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the comments on the 3 different iPads. I will comment on
>>> the 16GB version, which I have in the iPad 2. I do wish I had the 32GB
>>> version. That is probably one of the main reasons I have not used
>>> WingX much. I was given a subscription to the charts for a year, but
>>> because I can't download all of the charts for both Foreflight and
>>> WingX (I usually try to keep most or all of the US charts downloaded
>>> on Foreflight all the time, even though I very seldom fly out West) as
>>> well as keep my other apps on the iPad. I do use the iPad for a lot
>>> more than just flying, so if you are just flying, then 16GB should be
>>> plenty, but if you want to have movies, audio, lots of apps, etc on
>>> the iPad as well as Foreflight (uses a lot more storage than WingX),
>>> then you might want to look at 32GB. Just my 2 cents (can't find the
>>> cents key on my Macbook).
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Jesse. I just wanted to piggyback on your comments with an
>>>> iPad observation. Having owned all three (1, 2& New) I really like
>>>> the reduced cost of the iPad 2 3G. Don't get me wrong the New iPad is
>>>> nice with 4G and the retina screen but it does get hotter that it's
>>>> predecessors for sure and the minor weight difference is noticeable.
>>>> The New is definitely an improvement in screen and speed but the iPad
>>>> 2 seems to do it all quite well and with a minimum $100 savings. I
>>>> say minimum because you can only get the 2 in a 16GB unit. When you
>>>> buy the New iPad you may be temped to get the 32 or 64GB as I did for
>>>> a mere $829.00 before mandatory cover. So $529.00 vs. $829.00. I know
>>>> Tim O would chime in with the need for extra storage but I have done
>>>> everything I needed wo going over my 16 GB with a little memory
>>>> management.
>>>> So my 2 (can't find the cents key on my iPad) are you have a choice
>>>> between good and better. You can't lose.
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>> Sent from the new iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:33 PM, "Jesse Saint"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I received my Stratus unit from Sporty's the other day and wanted to
>>>>> give a report on my impressions for the group. I know there is a lot
>>>>> of debate over which app is best for the iPad, especially with the
>>>>> new Garmin app released at Sun-N-Fun, but I'm going to try not to
>>>>> get into that beyond this statement. I have used Foreflight since
>>>>> version 1 or 2 and have only tried WingX a little. Because I am used
>>>>> to Foreflight and the navigation and functionality, I have not liked
>>>>> my experiences with WingX, but as has been said before, we like what
>>>>> we are used to. I use Foreflight for all of my flight planning (I
>>>>> usually use www.weathermeister.com<http://www.weathermeister.com>
>>>>> for keeping up with the weather for my trip, but use Foreflight for
>>>>> all actually route planning, flight plan filing, and charts and
>>>>> plates while flying). I have Foreflight on my iPad 2 Wifi and iPhone
>>>>> 4. I have used a bluetooth GPS that required jailbreaking the iPad,
>>>>> but when that broke (left it on the gla!
>>
>> rs!
>>> hield in the Florida sun for 3-4 hours one day and the battery swelled
>>> and broke the case), I bought the Bad Elf. I wasn't very happy with
>>> the Bad Elf because I didn't like having it attached to the iPad in
>>> use, especially when bouncing around in IMC. I almost pulled the
>>> trigger on the new iPad, in which case I would have bought the 4G
>>> version, but when I didn't get the call from MacMall on the day they
>>> were starting to ship (like they promised they would), I didn't follow
>>> through with the purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was walking through the hangars at Sun-N-Fun and saw the Stratus
>>>>> on the first day. After a short talk with a friend of mine, we
>>>>> decided to buy it. We had both been saying that as soon as there was
>>>>> a portable ADS-B box that worked with Foreflight, we would get it.
>>>>> We split the cost and ordered it as well as the external antenna
>>>>> (which we haven't received yet). We mainly wanted ADS-B for weather,
>>>>> because we were almost to the point of getting the unit that would
>>>>> get XM weather onto the iPad, but liked the thought of no
>>>>> subscription better.
>>>>>
>>>>> We just made a flight in N33DQ (Cessna 182) from Arkansas to Florida
>>>>> through a lot of IMC, but it was a couple of days too early for the
>>>>> Stratus. That would be the real test, especially because of the
>>>>> ADS-B service areas and all of the local radar activity.
>>>>> Unfortunately, the screen shots I have now are shots with no rain
>>>>> within 250nm or more of where I was flying, and not a cloud in the
>>>>> sky, but I will share some of them anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, for my experience with the Stratus. YMMV, but this is my
>>>>> thought after my short time using it.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the cost, I think it's about as cheap as any ADS-B unit that I
>>>>> have seen, and I figured it would cost about the same as a year work
>>>>> of activation and subscription to XM with the better plan, not
>>>>> counting the XM hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as what coverage is available through ADS-B, I was pleasantly
>>>>> surprised to find out today that winds aloft are actually available.
>>>>> There are no lightning strikes or Echo Tops, but METARSs, TAFs,
>>>>> NOTAMs, Winds Aloft, Radar (high resolution regional and low
>>>>> resolution nationwide) and PIREPs are all available (among a few
>>>>> other things that I usually don't spend much time with). Personally
>>>>> I really like flying with Echo Tops in the -10 because it usually
>>>>> accurately lets me know if I will be able to get over the tops or
>>>>> will have to go through. Lightning would be nice to have, but
>>>>> usually avoiding the red nexrad (which is a good idea) will keep you
>>>>> away from most strikes (which is a very good idea), in my
>>>>> experience. I will miss those two features, but the most important
>>>>> features for me are METARs, TAFs and Radar.
>>>>>
>>>>> We took off from X35 with the Stratus on the glare shield of the
>>>>> RV-10 and watched the LED's on the unit as well as the indication in
>>>>> Foreflight of when we got a signal. We got the signal at about 5-600
>>>>> feet AGL. Remember that we are in central Florida, so the ADS-B
>>>>> coverage here is very good. We had as many as 9 stations at a time
>>>>> in our short flight up to 5,500 feet MSL. I really like the Status
>>>>> page (see attached pictures) that gives you the information on the
>>>>> Stratus. It shows the connectivity, battery status, power source,
>>>>> etc and then gives information on what data has been downloaded and
>>>>> how long ago. It also shows the grid of satellites that the unit is
>>>>> receiving location from and how good the signal is. The accuracy of
>>>>> location, including GPS altitude, is the best I have seen among the
>>>>> bluetooth GPS, Bad Elf, onboard GPS and the Stratus, with Accuracy
>>>>> usually 1-2m.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you can see from the pictures attached, and as I have already
>>>>> mentioned, the weather here was way too good to get great pictures
>>>>> as to the usefulness of the Stratus, but it's the best I can offer
>>>>> so far. I usually just keep up the map screen with the Radar and
>>>>> Flight Rules shown. For information on a specific airport, you can
>>>>> just tap on the dot and it will pull up the Metar (and TAF and Winds
>>>>> Aloft if available). If you scroll down on the pop-up, you can see
>>>>> the METARs of other local airports, as well as how old the report
>>>>> is. We must have been getting some medium and/or high altitude ADS-B
>>>>> stations, because we were getting national CONUS Radar as well as a
>>>>> good range of METARs, PIREPs, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you zoom out on the map, only the bigger airport Flight Rules
>>>>> show up. If you zoom in, it shows everywhere that reports. It will
>>>>> also paint the surface winds, cielings, temperature, dew point
>>>>> spread, cloud cover, etc. the same way that it does the Flight
>>>>> Rules, but this display is my favorite for overall information. It
>>>>> will only show one of these at a time, as well as Radar at the same
>>>>> time. It will also show TFR's on the map for those who aren't flying
>>>>> "in the system".
>>>>>
>>>>> My overall impression is very good. I am looking forward to taking a
>>>>> trip outside the normally shown coverage area, especially after I
>>>>> get the external antenna, so I can see how accurate the coverage
>>>>> maps are in the 10-18,000 foot range. One nice thing is that if you
>>>>> are going through a relatively small area of weak coverage, the
>>>>> information stays on the iPad. It just doesn't update, so you still
>>>>> should have information, which will start updating as soon as you
>>>>> get back within coverage.
>>>>>
>>>>> The battery on the Stratus has been quite impressive so far. It
>>>>> comes with a USB cable for charging, as well as an AC adapter, but
>>>>> in a 45 minute flight the battery was still in the 90%'s. It seemed
>>>>> to stay put really well on the glare shield and it is low profile,
>>>>> so it doesn't get in my way at all for flying.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can it replace XM? In my opinion, for a great deal of my flying,
>>>>> yes, mainly because of where I live and where and how I fly. I much
>>>>> prefer the screen size of the iPad to the Garmin Aera, and I like
>>>>> the interface much better than the Aera. As an all-in-one unit for
>>>>> flight planning, preflight weather, enroute charts, plates, enroute
>>>>> weather (with the Stratus), I haven't used anything I think would
>>>>> work better (especially for moving from plane to plane) than the
>>>>> iPad, Foreflight and the Stratus. It is not for everybody, but for
>>>>> those within the coverage area, who move from plane to plane, who
>>>>> don't want to have the monthly subscription, I highly recommend it
>>>>> based on my experience so far. I'll try to post again after I have
>>>>> taken it on a longer trip through some IMC.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I would really like to see in Foreflight would be a Winds
>>>>> Aloft display on the map, like with most XM products. They have
>>>>> surface winds at airports, which helps, but picking an altitude with
>>>>> Winds Aloft information would help. It does calculate Time Enroute
>>>>> and overall wind effect for your route in the route planner, so I
>>>>> guess you could pick different altitudes and see which one would be
>>>>> fastest, but it would be nice to have a chart (like on the Flight
>>>>> Cheetah, for the few of you who might have flown with it).
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Foreflight with Stratus Review |
The person that wrote that blog simply does not believe how many
aircraft already have certified ADS-B out transponders. ALL Embry Riddle
aircraft have it, many corporate aircraft have it. So what if you don't
receive ALL traffic. Getting some traffic in lieu of getting NO traffic
is a plus in my estimation. The FAA made some mistakes along the way,
between having two separate frequencies, which can not serve the whole
system, unless you have 1090ES out and 978 in, and your out signal is
coded that way. 1090ES supports ONLY traffic, not weather, while 978 out
does not allow above 17500 flight.
On 4/30/2012 10:18 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint
>
> I did talk to Foreflight about traffic, and they referred me to the following
explanation of how ADS-B traffic works and why they do not support it:
>
> http://blog.foreflight.com/2012/04/01/pings-pucks-and-why-no-traffic-on-stratus/
>
> Makes sense to me that without ADS-B out, the traffic information will be far
from complete, giving a false sense of security. If you have a way of getting
the ADS-B info from the Navworx box into WingX, then that would be very nice,
but without ADS-B out, you would only get occasional traffic, not all of it.
I have wondered how having ADS-B out makes a difference, but now I understand
it. I had heard that initially the traffic didn't require ADS-B out, but then
I heard that some southern Florida stations did require it, and that other stations
were going to start requiring it.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>>
>> I had an update to WingX that I downloaded this weekend.
>> In the notes it says that it now supports ADS-B Traffic.
>> I know Foreflight says they will NOT support traffic
>> and do not plan to. They have their reasons for this.
>> At any rate, it now is another differentiating factor
>> between the 2 apps. I do NOT have ADS-B on my WingX,
>> (I feel that having ADS-B/WX integrated in the panel is
>> much better than having it on a separate device, if
>> possible) so I can't comment on how it works. I also
>> do not know if it works with the Stratus device or not.
>> But, I just wanted to pass on this tidbit since it is
>> also new information.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/2012 7:51 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>>>
>>> And I use my iPad with both Foreflight and WingX (and I had skycharts on
>>> there long ago too but never use it anymore). I also use mine for
>>> work (remote access) a bunch, and it's also an entertainment device on
>>> vacations....movies mostly. So for me, 32Gb would be a minimum,
>>> and 64Gb is do-able. In fact, my biggest complaint about the iPhone
>>> and iPad is that I wish each had one model higher in capacity.
>>> I could really use 64Gb on my iPhone, and I'd love a 128Gb iPad.
>>> It's the primary reason I didn't buy an iPhone 4S and "New" iPad...had
>>> they increased the capacity I'd have bought one the first day.
>>>
>>> So Robin is right....you can really save money and if you only want
>>> to use it for flying and some minor things, a 16Gb model would work
>>> but we aware that you will only be able to have one major app on
>>> there for flight software, most likely. I'd *always* recommend
>>> the 3G/4G models because even when just in the car the built-in
>>> GPS is worth the extra, if you use it for any navigation or mapping.
>>> (I keep a road GPS app on there too, with all US coverage)
>>> So for many non-entertainment users, 32Gb would be a logical happy
>>> medium. If you have kids though, spring for the biggest one you
>>> can find. We loaded all of our iPads and iPhones up with movies
>>> and entertainment for our last trip and it was nice to have.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/27/2012 7:23 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the comments on the 3 different iPads. I will comment on
>>>> the 16GB version, which I have in the iPad 2. I do wish I had the 32GB
>>>> version. That is probably one of the main reasons I have not used
>>>> WingX much. I was given a subscription to the charts for a year, but
>>>> because I can't download all of the charts for both Foreflight and
>>>> WingX (I usually try to keep most or all of the US charts downloaded
>>>> on Foreflight all the time, even though I very seldom fly out West) as
>>>> well as keep my other apps on the iPad. I do use the iPad for a lot
>>>> more than just flying, so if you are just flying, then 16GB should be
>>>> plenty, but if you want to have movies, audio, lots of apps, etc on
>>>> the iPad as well as Foreflight (uses a lot more storage than WingX),
>>>> then you might want to look at 32GB. Just my 2 cents (can't find the
>>>> cents key on my Macbook).
>>>>
>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Jesse. I just wanted to piggyback on your comments with an
>>>>> iPad observation. Having owned all three (1, 2& New) I really like
>>>>> the reduced cost of the iPad 2 3G. Don't get me wrong the New iPad is
>>>>> nice with 4G and the retina screen but it does get hotter that it's
>>>>> predecessors for sure and the minor weight difference is noticeable.
>>>>> The New is definitely an improvement in screen and speed but the iPad
>>>>> 2 seems to do it all quite well and with a minimum $100 savings. I
>>>>> say minimum because you can only get the 2 in a 16GB unit. When you
>>>>> buy the New iPad you may be temped to get the 32 or 64GB as I did for
>>>>> a mere $829.00 before mandatory cover. So $529.00 vs. $829.00. I know
>>>>> Tim O would chime in with the need for extra storage but I have done
>>>>> everything I needed wo going over my 16 GB with a little memory
>>>>> management.
>>>>> So my 2 (can't find the cents key on my iPad) are you have a choice
>>>>> between good and better. You can't lose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robin
>>>>> Sent from the new iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:33 PM, "Jesse Saint"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I received my Stratus unit from Sporty's the other day and wanted to
>>>>>> give a report on my impressions for the group. I know there is a lot
>>>>>> of debate over which app is best for the iPad, especially with the
>>>>>> new Garmin app released at Sun-N-Fun, but I'm going to try not to
>>>>>> get into that beyond this statement. I have used Foreflight since
>>>>>> version 1 or 2 and have only tried WingX a little. Because I am used
>>>>>> to Foreflight and the navigation and functionality, I have not liked
>>>>>> my experiences with WingX, but as has been said before, we like what
>>>>>> we are used to. I use Foreflight for all of my flight planning (I
>>>>>> usually use www.weathermeister.com<http://www.weathermeister.com>
>>>>>> for keeping up with the weather for my trip, but use Foreflight for
>>>>>> all actually route planning, flight plan filing, and charts and
>>>>>> plates while flying). I have Foreflight on my iPad 2 Wifi and iPhone
>>>>>> 4. I have used a bluetooth GPS that required jailbreaking the iPad,
>>>>>> but when that broke (left it on the gla!
>>> rs!
>>>> hield in the Florida sun for 3-4 hours one day and the battery swelled
>>>> and broke the case), I bought the Bad Elf. I wasn't very happy with
>>>> the Bad Elf because I didn't like having it attached to the iPad in
>>>> use, especially when bouncing around in IMC. I almost pulled the
>>>> trigger on the new iPad, in which case I would have bought the 4G
>>>> version, but when I didn't get the call from MacMall on the day they
>>>> were starting to ship (like they promised they would), I didn't follow
>>>> through with the purchase.
>>>>>> I was walking through the hangars at Sun-N-Fun and saw the Stratus
>>>>>> on the first day. After a short talk with a friend of mine, we
>>>>>> decided to buy it. We had both been saying that as soon as there was
>>>>>> a portable ADS-B box that worked with Foreflight, we would get it.
>>>>>> We split the cost and ordered it as well as the external antenna
>>>>>> (which we haven't received yet). We mainly wanted ADS-B for weather,
>>>>>> because we were almost to the point of getting the unit that would
>>>>>> get XM weather onto the iPad, but liked the thought of no
>>>>>> subscription better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We just made a flight in N33DQ (Cessna 182) from Arkansas to Florida
>>>>>> through a lot of IMC, but it was a couple of days too early for the
>>>>>> Stratus. That would be the real test, especially because of the
>>>>>> ADS-B service areas and all of the local radar activity.
>>>>>> Unfortunately, the screen shots I have now are shots with no rain
>>>>>> within 250nm or more of where I was flying, and not a cloud in the
>>>>>> sky, but I will share some of them anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, for my experience with the Stratus. YMMV, but this is my
>>>>>> thought after my short time using it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the cost, I think it's about as cheap as any ADS-B unit that I
>>>>>> have seen, and I figured it would cost about the same as a year work
>>>>>> of activation and subscription to XM with the better plan, not
>>>>>> counting the XM hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as what coverage is available through ADS-B, I was pleasantly
>>>>>> surprised to find out today that winds aloft are actually available.
>>>>>> There are no lightning strikes or Echo Tops, but METARSs, TAFs,
>>>>>> NOTAMs, Winds Aloft, Radar (high resolution regional and low
>>>>>> resolution nationwide) and PIREPs are all available (among a few
>>>>>> other things that I usually don't spend much time with). Personally
>>>>>> I really like flying with Echo Tops in the -10 because it usually
>>>>>> accurately lets me know if I will be able to get over the tops or
>>>>>> will have to go through. Lightning would be nice to have, but
>>>>>> usually avoiding the red nexrad (which is a good idea) will keep you
>>>>>> away from most strikes (which is a very good idea), in my
>>>>>> experience. I will miss those two features, but the most important
>>>>>> features for me are METARs, TAFs and Radar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We took off from X35 with the Stratus on the glare shield of the
>>>>>> RV-10 and watched the LED's on the unit as well as the indication in
>>>>>> Foreflight of when we got a signal. We got the signal at about 5-600
>>>>>> feet AGL. Remember that we are in central Florida, so the ADS-B
>>>>>> coverage here is very good. We had as many as 9 stations at a time
>>>>>> in our short flight up to 5,500 feet MSL. I really like the Status
>>>>>> page (see attached pictures) that gives you the information on the
>>>>>> Stratus. It shows the connectivity, battery status, power source,
>>>>>> etc and then gives information on what data has been downloaded and
>>>>>> how long ago. It also shows the grid of satellites that the unit is
>>>>>> receiving location from and how good the signal is. The accuracy of
>>>>>> location, including GPS altitude, is the best I have seen among the
>>>>>> bluetooth GPS, Bad Elf, onboard GPS and the Stratus, with Accuracy
>>>>>> usually 1-2m.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you can see from the pictures attached, and as I have already
>>>>>> mentioned, the weather here was way too good to get great pictures
>>>>>> as to the usefulness of the Stratus, but it's the best I can offer
>>>>>> so far. I usually just keep up the map screen with the Radar and
>>>>>> Flight Rules shown. For information on a specific airport, you can
>>>>>> just tap on the dot and it will pull up the Metar (and TAF and Winds
>>>>>> Aloft if available). If you scroll down on the pop-up, you can see
>>>>>> the METARs of other local airports, as well as how old the report
>>>>>> is. We must have been getting some medium and/or high altitude ADS-B
>>>>>> stations, because we were getting national CONUS Radar as well as a
>>>>>> good range of METARs, PIREPs, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you zoom out on the map, only the bigger airport Flight Rules
>>>>>> show up. If you zoom in, it shows everywhere that reports. It will
>>>>>> also paint the surface winds, cielings, temperature, dew point
>>>>>> spread, cloud cover, etc. the same way that it does the Flight
>>>>>> Rules, but this display is my favorite for overall information. It
>>>>>> will only show one of these at a time, as well as Radar at the same
>>>>>> time. It will also show TFR's on the map for those who aren't flying
>>>>>> "in the system".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My overall impression is very good. I am looking forward to taking a
>>>>>> trip outside the normally shown coverage area, especially after I
>>>>>> get the external antenna, so I can see how accurate the coverage
>>>>>> maps are in the 10-18,000 foot range. One nice thing is that if you
>>>>>> are going through a relatively small area of weak coverage, the
>>>>>> information stays on the iPad. It just doesn't update, so you still
>>>>>> should have information, which will start updating as soon as you
>>>>>> get back within coverage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The battery on the Stratus has been quite impressive so far. It
>>>>>> comes with a USB cable for charging, as well as an AC adapter, but
>>>>>> in a 45 minute flight the battery was still in the 90%'s. It seemed
>>>>>> to stay put really well on the glare shield and it is low profile,
>>>>>> so it doesn't get in my way at all for flying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can it replace XM? In my opinion, for a great deal of my flying,
>>>>>> yes, mainly because of where I live and where and how I fly. I much
>>>>>> prefer the screen size of the iPad to the Garmin Aera, and I like
>>>>>> the interface much better than the Aera. As an all-in-one unit for
>>>>>> flight planning, preflight weather, enroute charts, plates, enroute
>>>>>> weather (with the Stratus), I haven't used anything I think would
>>>>>> work better (especially for moving from plane to plane) than the
>>>>>> iPad, Foreflight and the Stratus. It is not for everybody, but for
>>>>>> those within the coverage area, who move from plane to plane, who
>>>>>> don't want to have the monthly subscription, I highly recommend it
>>>>>> based on my experience so far. I'll try to post again after I have
>>>>>> taken it on a longer trip through some IMC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing I would really like to see in Foreflight would be a Winds
>>>>>> Aloft display on the map, like with most XM products. They have
>>>>>> surface winds at airports, which helps, but picking an altitude with
>>>>>> Winds Aloft information would help. It does calculate Time Enroute
>>>>>> and overall wind effect for your route in the route planner, so I
>>>>>> guess you could pick different altitudes and see which one would be
>>>>>> fastest, but it would be nice to have a chart (like on the Flight
>>>>>> Cheetah, for the few of you who might have flown with it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>>>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>>>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>>>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel vent modification |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 04/29/2012 05:53 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> Here is a simple way to keep mud-dabbers from clogging your fuel vent.
Here is another simple and cheap way to keep mud daubers out of your vent:
http://deej.net/glastar/pics/measure/photo7.jpg
I think I paid $0.99 for a pack of 100:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Kids-Craft-100pk-Fuzzy-Sticks-Neon/19525338
1) Take one fuzzy stick and cut it in half.
2) Take one of the halves and fold in two forming a "V".
3) About 2 inches from the base of the "V", bend each side out 90
degrees. You will end up with a shape like _/\_
4) Stick the end of the "V" into your vent.
5) Add it to your checklist to remove during pre-flight. If you do
happen to forget to remove them, they do allow some air to pass. You
could use the whole fuzzy stick per vent if you wanted to make them
longer and stick out more to be more noticeable for a low wing plane.
-Dj
--
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Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Storing wings vertically? |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Thanks Phil. Those are a lot like my stands. I realize now i wasn't clear. I meant
vertically in the longest dimension, so standing up on the spar join end to
minimize floor space.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372169#372169
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight with Stratus Review |
| From: | "cjay" <cgfinney(at)yahoo.com> |
Interesting blog on the ping and puck CONOPs for ADS-B, which answers why ADS-B
out is needed. However if you have a complete system, i.e., out and in, I believe
you should have a pretty complete traffic picture. the ADS-B network doesn't
only broadcast ADS-b traffic but also rebroadcasts TIS-B. TIS-B allows
all transponder equipped aircraft that are tracked by radar to have their location
and track information re-broadcast to ADS-B equipped aircraft.
cjay
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| Subject: | Re: Storing wings vertically? |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
As an alternative, I hung mine (still horizontal) from the ceiling to get them
out of the way.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Storing wings vertically? |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I don't see why you couldn't, but you're going to need a 12' ceiling, or more.
Hanging them (although they weigh a lot) would be more practical. Perhaps you
could hang them from a very strong set of bolts in the rafters?
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight with Stratus Review |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey folks,
You don't have to always hit the quote button in a specific thread like this -
we know what you're talking about.
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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| Subject: | Re: Storing wings vertically? |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
You would want to use extreme caution. Both to protect the spar ends, and
to protect the inner end of the fuel tank from damage. Remember you need
those parts to fit into the fuselage precisely. Have you compared ceiling
height in storage area with wing length? You are going to need a pretty
high ceiling.
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Bill Strahan wrote:
>
> Thanks Phil. Those are a lot like my stands. I realize now i wasn't clear.
> I meant vertically in the longest dimension, so standing up on the spar
> join end to minimize floor space.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372169#372169
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Storing wings vertically? |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Thanks all for the good feedback. I've got room vertically in the hanger, but
perhaps I'll just hang them from the ceiling. That would totally eliminate the
floor space issue and I wouldn't be worried about destroying the wings accidentally.
All this goes away once I have the money and can extend my hanger. :) Just need
another 10 feet on each end. You can never have too much work space.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel vent modification |
| From: | "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> |
Here is another suggestion.
I bought a small ball check valve from Grainger. It has a 1/4 NPT fitting and
is small, about the size of an AN fitting. I used a Tee to splice it into the
vent line inside of the gap. It acts as a vacuum breaker in the event that the
vent is blocked for any reason. It also keeps the small positive pressure
on the fuel tank.
I can send details later if anyone is interested.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - Working G3X panel
Rest almost done
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Help! I lost the ball bearing from my IFLYRV10 flush door - |
I need to replace by Friday
Can anyone tell me where or how to get a replacement ball for the
IFLYRV10 flush billet door? Size and/or source?
I'm having trouble finding the IFLYRV10 site or contact but I'm
looking.... just a bit disparate.
Bill "can't believe I dropped it down a crack in the concrete" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Help! I lost the ball bearing from my IFLYRV10 flush door |
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| From: | "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> |
Bill, Here is the website http://www.wix.com/capsteve/iflyrv10
I am pretty sure that an extra ball came with my hardware, but that was nearly
four years ago and I have no idea if I still have it.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Help! I lost the ball bearing from my IFLYRV10 flush door |
- I need to replace by Friday
| From: | Jonathan Beasley <jbeasley(at)nc.rr.com> |
http://www.wix.com/capsteve/iflyrv10
On 5/1/12 9:57 PM, "Bill Watson" wrote:
>
>Can anyone tell me where or how to get a replacement ball for the
>IFLYRV10 flush billet door? Size and/or source?
>
>I'm having trouble finding the IFLYRV10 site or contact but I'm
>looking.... just a bit disparate.
>
>Bill "can't believe I dropped it down a crack in the concrete" Watson
>
>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help! I lost the ball bearing from my IFLYRV10 flush door |
- I need to replace by Friday
Thanks everyone. Steve contacted me and is sending replacements. Whew!
Bill
On 5/1/2012 9:57 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me where or how to get a replacement ball for the
> IFLYRV10 flush billet door? Size and/or source?
>
> I'm having trouble finding the IFLYRV10 site or contact but I'm
> looking.... just a bit disparate.
>
> Bill "can't believe I dropped it down a crack in the concrete" Watson
>
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| From: | "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> |
Sorry can only offer Zrich in Switzerland about 300km south.
http://www.luftlinie.org/Zuerich_Frankfurt-Main
Mike
--------
RV-10 builder (interior & finishing)
#511
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| From: | Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> |
we can offer two more but still 270 and 275km south of Zurich ;)
Cheers Werner and Gordon
On 02.05.2012 22:25, Mike Whisky wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Whisky"
>
> Sorry can only offer Zrich in Switzerland about 300km south.
> http://www.luftlinie.org/Zuerich_Frankfurt-Main
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> RV-10 builder (interior& finishing)
> #511
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372297#372297
>
>
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| Subject: | Am I overinsured? |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Time to renew the insurance again, and I'm thinking I'm overinsured at
$200k coverage. My RV-10 is a year old, has 110 hours TT on a new
Aerosport IO-540, new Hartzell blended airfoil prop. Everything is pretty
standard. No paint yet, but will be getting it painted this year. Panel
has a couple Dynons, non-WAAS GNS430, and a Garmin 696 (picture here:
http://kochman.net/N819K/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/panel_sm.jpg).
What do you think? Thanks in advance for the input.
-Rob
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I overinsured? |
What would it take to replace it. Mine has a little better avionics package and
is insured for $225000. Robert
On May 3, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Time to renew the insurance again, and I'm thinking I'm overinsured at $200k coverage. My RV-10 is a year old, has 110 hours TT on a new Aerosport IO-540, new Hartzell blended airfoil prop. Everything is pretty standard. No paint yet, but will be getting it painted this year. Panel has a couple Dynons, non-WAAS GNS430, and a Garmin 696 (picture here: http://kochman.net/N819K/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/panel_sm.jpg).
>
> What do you think? Thanks in advance for the input.
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Am I overinsured? |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
I guess it depends on what you are paying for the insurance too... My insur
ance company would only insure a -10 to $175k, but I'm 'only' paying $1680/y
r this year. I was good with the coverage vs cost ratio. I have dual 10" S
kyViews in the panel.
I use the term 'only' loosely :-)
Sent from my iPhone
On May 3, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Time to renew the insurance again, and I'm thinking I'm overinsured at $20
0k coverage. My RV-10 is a year old, has 110 hours TT on a new Aerosport IO
-540, new Hartzell blended airfoil prop. Everything is pretty standard. No
paint yet, but will be getting it painted this year. Panel has a couple Dy
nons, non-WAAS GNS430, and a Garmin 696 (picture here: http://kochman.net/N8
19K/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/panel_sm.jpg).
>
> What do you think? Thanks in advance for the input.
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
>
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight into NY airspace. |
Yessiree, I have advice.
FLY THE HUDSON!
If you go there and don't do that, you will regret it.....do it while
our skies are still free enough that you can do such awesome things!
Google it, and you'll find all the web write-ups you need to
get the info it takes.
Tim
On 5/3/2012 3:01 PM, David Leikam wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam
>
> I am planning to fly into KLDJ (Linden NJ) in a couple weeks. Visiting family
in Manhattan.
> Any advice for a novice IFR pilot?
> Thanks.
>
> Dave Leikam
>
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| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I overinsured? |
Shoot - I just wrote a check for almost twice that for mine but first flight
not yet done and I opted for full coverage for the test period.
Where did you get your insurance? Jenny at Nation Air told me next year wil
l be cheaper but nothing as low as you list.
Carl
FSDO inspection May 23
On May 3, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Michael Kraus wrote
:
> I guess it depends on what you are paying for the insurance too... My ins
urance company would only insure a -10 to $175k, but I'm 'only' paying $1680
/yr this year. I was good with the coverage vs cost ratio. I have dual 10
" SkyViews in the panel.
>
> I use the term 'only' loosely :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>
>> Time to renew the insurance again, and I'm thinking I'm overinsured at $2
00k coverage. My RV-10 is a year old, has 110 hours TT on a new Aerosport I
O-540, new Hartzell blended airfoil prop. Everything is pretty standard. N
o paint yet, but will be getting it painted this year. Panel has a couple D
ynons, non-WAAS GNS430, and a Garmin 696 (picture here: http://kochman.net/N
819K/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/panel_sm.jpg).
>>
>> What do you think? Thanks in advance for the input.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> --
>> Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
>> Woodinville, WA
>> http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight into NY airspace. |
I have several trips from Virginia to Connecticut and each time did VFR over JFK
at 7500' or 8500' with flight following. The controllers always handed me just
like the big boys, and let me penetrate Class B on the let down (north side
of the Class B).
As Tim says, do the Hudson. North to south is my preference. You fly the plane
and watch out for the helos - let the passengers take the photos.
Carl
On May 3, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Yessiree, I have advice.
>
> FLY THE HUDSON!
>
> If you go there and don't do that, you will regret it.....do it while
> our skies are still free enough that you can do such awesome things!
>
> Google it, and you'll find all the web write-ups you need to
> get the info it takes.
>
>
> Tim
>
> On 5/3/2012 3:01 PM, David Leikam wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam
>>
>> I am planning to fly into KLDJ (Linden NJ) in a couple weeks. Visiting family
in Manhattan.
>> Any advice for a novice IFR pilot?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dave Leikam
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Am I overinsured? |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, guys... for the record, here's what I've paid so far (private/IFR
w/ 320 hours TT).
>From the first flight: $4572
Just after phase 1 complete: $4035
Now (110 hours in type): $3389
Note this time I can get a policy for $2980, though it has a deductable and
doesn't have the "minor" benefits that my current Starr policy has (e.g.
search & rescue coverage). This is all through Jenny at NationAir.
-Rob
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
> Shoot - I just wrote a check for almost twice that for mine but first
> flight not yet done and I opted for full coverage for the test period.
>
> Where did you get your insurance? Jenny at Nation Air told me next year
> will be cheaper but nothing as low as you list.
>
> Carl
> FSDO inspection May 23
>
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Michael Kraus
> wrote:
>
> I guess it depends on what you are paying for the insurance too... My
> insurance company would only insure a -10 to $175k, but I'm 'only' paying
> $1680/yr this year. I was good with the coverage vs cost ratio. I have
> dual 10" SkyViews in the panel.
>
> I use the term 'only' loosely :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>
> Time to renew the insurance again, and I'm thinking I'm overinsured at
> $200k coverage. My RV-10 is a year old, has 110 hours TT on a new
> Aerosport IO-540, new Hartzell blended airfoil prop. Everything is pretty
> standard. No paint yet, but will be getting it painted this year. Panel
> has a couple Dynons, non-WAAS GNS430, and a Garmin 696 (picture here:
> http://kochman.net/N819K/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/panel_sm.jpg).
>
> What do you think? Thanks in advance for the input.
>
> -Rob
>
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> Woodinville, WA
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight into NY airspace. |
Skyline Route-make sure you read carefully the special flight rules.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flight into NY airspace.
Yessiree, I have advice.
FLY THE HUDSON!
If you go there and don't do that, you will regret it.....do it while
our skies are still free enough that you can do such awesome things!
Google it, and you'll find all the web write-ups you need to
get the info it takes.
Tim
On 5/3/2012 3:01 PM, David Leikam wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam
>
> I am planning to fly into KLDJ (Linden NJ) in a couple weeks. Visiting
> family in Manhattan.
> Any advice for a novice IFR pilot?
> Thanks.
>
> Dave Leikam
>
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| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Flight into NY airspace. |
Tim's advice is spot on. Fly it one way then turn around and go the other
way. Short flight and your passengers can get some great pics. I didn't
circle the statue but wish I would have. If the corridor is still 1000-1300'
you are plenty low for pictures as well as just looking.
Don't miss it.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight into NY airspace. |
Yeah, if I do it again, I'm going both directions and returning to
the airport where I started or at least the area where I started.
It was an awesome trip that went by too fast...and it's one of
the things I want to fly again before we can't.
You have to do things now, because it will only get more
restrictive. I'm not sure what the status is today, but I
know things are changing for Grand Canyon too...and that's another
one you just don't want to miss the boat on.
Tim
On 5/3/2012 3:59 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
>
> Tim's advice is spot on. Fly it one way then turn around and go the other
> way. Short flight and your passengers can get some great pics. I didn't
> circle the statue but wish I would have. If the corridor is still 1000-1300'
> you are plenty low for pictures as well as just looking.
> Don't miss it.
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight into NY airspace. |
Planning to do Grand Canyon in a week or two. Favorite links or tips
anyone?
Will do Sedona too.
Bill "ready for a trip" Watson
On 5/3/2012 5:21 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Yeah, if I do it again, I'm going both directions and returning to
> the airport where I started or at least the area where I started.
> It was an awesome trip that went by too fast...and it's one of
> the things I want to fly again before we can't.
> You have to do things now, because it will only get more
> restrictive. I'm not sure what the status is today, but I
> know things are changing for Grand Canyon too...and that's another
> one you just don't want to miss the boat on.
> Tim
>
>
> On 5/3/2012 3:59 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert
>> Gardner"
>>
>> Tim's advice is spot on. Fly it one way then turn around and go the
>> other
>> way. Short flight and your passengers can get some great pics. I didn't
>> circle the statue but wish I would have. If the corridor is still
>> 1000-1300'
>> you are plenty low for pictures as well as just looking.
>> Don't miss it.
>> Albert Gardner
>> N991RV
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight into NY airspace. |
| From: | David Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com> |
We did Sedona a few weeks ago. Beautiful. Was a bit gusty but no worse than any
other x-wind landing.
Dave Leikam
On May 3, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Planning to do Grand Canyon in a week or two. Favorite links or tips anyone?
>
> Will do Sedona too.
>
> Bill "ready for a trip" Watson
>
> On 5/3/2012 5:21 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, if I do it again, I'm going both directions and returning to
>> the airport where I started or at least the area where I started.
>> It was an awesome trip that went by too fast...and it's one of
>> the things I want to fly again before we can't.
>> You have to do things now, because it will only get more
>> restrictive. I'm not sure what the status is today, but I
>> know things are changing for Grand Canyon too...and that's another
>> one you just don't want to miss the boat on.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/3/2012 3:59 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
>>>
>>> Tim's advice is spot on. Fly it one way then turn around and go the other
>>> way. Short flight and your passengers can get some great pics. I didn't
>>> circle the statue but wish I would have. If the corridor is still 1000-1300'
>>> you are plenty low for pictures as well as just looking.
>>> Don't miss it.
>>> Albert Gardner
>>> N991RV
>>> Yuma, AZ
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Flight into NY airspace. |
Good lunch or breakfast at Temple Bar U30 (they'll pick you up), Grand
Canyon West 1G4 is right on the South Rim of the canyon, Lake Mead to the
west is flyable at low levels. Afternoon convective activity over the canyon
area. Beautiful area to fly over. Monument Valley UT25 and Goulding's Lodge
is 120 miles NE of Grand Canyon National Park GNC. Winslow INW and the
meteor crater is 90 miles SE of GNC.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Flight into NY airspace. |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
re: Grand Canyon:
I cannot say it enough, skip GCN (Grand Canyon Airport). It is expensive, 100LL
very expensive, not at all GA friendly. It caters to the tour operators.
Instead go to Valle (40G), 25 miles or so south of GCN. Very GA friendly, reasonable
gas prices. If you want to tour the park on the ground the FBO has a couple
of reasonably priced rental cars (reserve in advance). There is an adequate
motel/restaurant within walking distance of the airport.
The airport density altitude can be high, but no problem for an RV as long as you're
under gross.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Am I overinsured? |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
As others have hit upon, what would you want to do if you had a total loss?
New QB kit, new certified engine and a Stein or Aerotronics built panel is
going to put you over $150K plus interior plus paint. Vs buying one someone
else built to unknown standards with their choice of equipment. Price of
equivalent aircraft built by someone else will drive your coverage if you
don't want to take a year or two to build a replacement.
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Time to renew the insurance again, and I'm thinking I'm overinsured at
> $200k coverage. My RV-10 is a year old, has 110 hours TT on a new
> Aerosport IO-540, new Hartzell blended airfoil prop. Everything is pretty
> standard. No paint yet, but will be getting it painted this year. Panel
> has a couple Dynons, non-WAAS GNS430, and a Garmin 696 (picture here:
> http://kochman.net/N819K/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/panel_sm.jpg).
>
> What do you think? Thanks in advance for the input.
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Flight into NY airspace. |
We spent a week in NYC after landing at Westchester Co. HPN, tied down at
Panorama where they treated us well and took us over to White Plains to
catch the Metro North line for a fast trip down to the city. Fly SW 12 miles
to enter the Skyline Route at Alpine Tower for a flight down the Hudson.
First Flight FFA at Kill Devil Hills is 300 miles south. Just a suggestion.
:^)
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| From: | Lyle Peterson <lyleap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
Just changing the subject. It's all very interesting conversation.
On 5/3/2012 6:36 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner"
>
> re: Grand Canyon:
>
> I cannot say it enough, skip GCN (Grand Canyon Airport). It is expensive, 100LL
very expensive, not at all GA friendly. It caters to the tour operators.
>
> Instead go to Valle (40G), 25 miles or so south of GCN. Very GA friendly, reasonable
gas prices. If you want to tour the park on the ground the FBO has a couple
of reasonably priced rental cars (reserve in advance). There is an adequate
motel/restaurant within walking distance of the airport.
>
> The airport density altitude can be high, but no problem for an RV as long as
you're under gross.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372372#372372
>
>
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MBS, AMA, MSCE, EAA Chapter 237
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| From: | Tom Koelzer <40950(at)rv10.net> |
| Subject: | Low Fuel Sensor Location |
Looking for information regarding where to locate low fuel sensor in inboard tank
ribs related to vertical height vs location. I am building tanks, would like
to drill and install before final assembly, have calculated a location but would
like to verify my results. Looking for fuel measurements once installed.
I have AE Fuel Guardian sensors.
Any related data would be appreciated.
Tom Koelzer
40950 Wings
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| Subject: | Garmin competition |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since they
were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their latest
EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a remote
IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
At last, some competition for Garmin!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight into NY airspace. |
Yes, KHPN has become our favored NYC landing spot. Panorama is very
nice and friendly. Don't have an urgent need to leave on time... delays
sometimes mimic the majors.
On 5/3/2012 7:45 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
>
> We spent a week in NYC after landing at Westchester Co. HPN, tied down at
> Panorama where they treated us well and took us over to White Plains to
> catch the Metro North line for a fast trip down to the city. Fly SW 12 miles
> to enter the Skyline Route at Alpine Tower for a flight down the Hudson.
> First Flight FFA at Kill Devil Hills is 300 miles south. Just a suggestion.
> :^)
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
Good idea Lyle, thanks. And thanks to all who have commented.
I'm planning to spend a week in Phoenix and trying to plan a few flights
out with friends. Again, Sedona is on the list (pretty landscape as I
understand it) and the Grand Canyon (double ditto).
Any useful details or alternate destinations welcome.
Thanks
Bill Watson
On 5/3/2012 7:46 PM, Lyle Peterson wrote:
> Just changing the subject. It's all very interesting conversation.
>
> On 5/3/2012 6:36 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner"
>>
>> re: Grand Canyon:
>>
>> I cannot say it enough, skip GCN (Grand Canyon Airport). It is expensive, 100LL
very expensive, not at all GA friendly. It caters to the tour operators.
>>
>> Instead go to Valle (40G), 25 miles or so south of GCN. Very GA friendly, reasonable
gas prices. If you want to tour the park on the ground the FBO has a
couple of reasonably priced rental cars (reserve in advance). There is an adequate
motel/restaurant within walking distance of the airport.
>>
>> The airport density altitude can be high, but no problem for an RV as long as
you're under gross.
>>
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | Jepp Chelton updates |
Just received my annual renewal for the Chelton DB updates; price has now
moved to $605 plus sales tax. Apparently they have a store in AZ and want to
tax; total is now $644.39. I inquired about single updates and that will be
$170 each and available within one hour of the call to Jepp. They will still
be downloaded to the Smart media card. Considering I take at most two long
IFR trips a year, this is an option I am considering.
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| From: | Curtis Groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
I've been to grand canyon airport (gcn) twice in the last year, the last bei
ng six days ago. my experience was different. they were very helpful, arra
nged a cab for us to the rim, answered questions, and gave good advice. Fuel
is relatively expensive so you preplan your fuel stops.
Curtis Groote
On May 4, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Good idea Lyle, thanks. And thanks to all who have commented.
>
> I'm planning to spend a week in Phoenix and trying to plan a few flights o
ut with friends. Again, Sedona is on the list (pretty landscape as I unders
tand it) and the Grand Canyon (double ditto).
>
> Any useful details or alternate destinations welcome.
>
> Thanks
> Bill Watson
>
> On 5/3/2012 7:46 PM, Lyle Peterson wrote:
>>
>> Just changing the subject. It's all very interesting conversation.
>>
>> On 5/3/2012 6:36 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> re: Grand Canyon:
>>>
>>> I cannot say it enough, skip GCN (Grand Canyon Airport). It is expensive
, 100LL very expensive, not at all GA friendly. It caters to the tour operat
ors.
>>>
>>> Instead go to Valle (40G), 25 miles or so south of GCN. Very GA friendly
, reasonable gas prices. If you want to tour the park on the ground the FBO h
as a couple of reasonably priced rental cars (reserve in advance). There is a
n adequate motel/restaurant within walking distance of the airport.
>>>
>>> The airport density altitude can be high, but no problem for an RV as lo
ng as you're under gross.
>>>
>
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| From: | Curtis Groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
I've been to grand canyon airport (gcn) twice in the last year, the last bei
ng six days ago. my experience was different. they were very helpful, arra
nged a cab for us to the rim, answered questions, and gave good advice. Fuel
is relatively expensive so you preplan your fuel stops.
Curtis Groote
On May 4, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Good idea Lyle, thanks. And thanks to all who have commented.
>
> I'm planning to spend a week in Phoenix and trying to plan a few flights o
ut with friends. Again, Sedona is on the list (pretty landscape as I unders
tand it) and the Grand Canyon (double ditto).
>
> Any useful details or alternate destinations welcome.
>
> Thanks
> Bill Watson
>
> On 5/3/2012 7:46 PM, Lyle Peterson wrote:
>>
>> Just changing the subject. It's all very interesting conversation.
>>
>> On 5/3/2012 6:36 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> re: Grand Canyon:
>>>
>>> I cannot say it enough, skip GCN (Grand Canyon Airport). It is expensive
, 100LL very expensive, not at all GA friendly. It caters to the tour operat
ors.
>>>
>>> Instead go to Valle (40G), 25 miles or so south of GCN. Very GA friendly
, reasonable gas prices. If you want to tour the park on the ground the FBO h
as a couple of reasonably priced rental cars (reserve in advance). There is a
n adequate motel/restaurant within walking distance of the airport.
>>>
>>> The airport density altitude can be high, but no problem for an RV as lo
ng as you're under gross.
>>>
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| From: | Curtis Groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
I've been to grand canyon airport (gcn) twice in the last year, the last bei
ng six days ago. my experience was different. they were very helpful, arra
nged a cab for us to the rim, answered questions, and gave good advice. Fuel
is relatively expensive so you preplan your fuel stops.
Curtis Groote
On May 4, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Good idea Lyle, thanks. And thanks to all who have commented.
>
> I'm planning to spend a week in Phoenix and trying to plan a few flights o
ut with friends. Again, Sedona is on the list (pretty landscape as I unders
tand it) and the Grand Canyon (double ditto).
>
> Any useful details or alternate destinations welcome.
>
> Thanks
> Bill Watson
>
> On 5/3/2012 7:46 PM, Lyle Peterson wrote:
>>
>> Just changing the subject. It's all very interesting conversation.
>>
>> On 5/3/2012 6:36 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> re: Grand Canyon:
>>>
>>> I cannot say it enough, skip GCN (Grand Canyon Airport). It is expensive
, 100LL very expensive, not at all GA friendly. It caters to the tour operat
ors.
>>>
>>> Instead go to Valle (40G), 25 miles or so south of GCN. Very GA friendly
, reasonable gas prices. If you want to tour the park on the ground the FBO h
as a couple of reasonably priced rental cars (reserve in advance). There is a
n adequate motel/restaurant within walking distance of the airport.
>>>
>>> The airport density altitude can be high, but no problem for an RV as lo
ng as you're under gross.
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
I've been to grand canyon airport (gcn) twice in the last year, the last bei
ng six days ago. my experience was different. they were very helpful, arra
nged a cab for us to the rim, answered questions, and gave good advice. Fuel
is relatively expensive so you preplan your fuel stops.
Curtis Groote
On May 4, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Good idea Lyle, thanks. And thanks to all who have commented.
>
> I'm planning to spend a week in Phoenix and trying to plan a few flights o
ut with friends. Again, Sedona is on the list (pretty landscape as I unders
tand it) and the Grand Canyon (double ditto).
>
> Any useful details or alternate destinations welcome.
>
> Thanks
> Bill Watson
>
> On 5/3/2012 7:46 PM, Lyle Peterson wrote:
>>
>> Just changing the subject. It's all very interesting conversation.
>>
>> On 5/3/2012 6:36 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> re: Grand Canyon:
>>>
>>> I cannot say it enough, skip GCN (Grand Canyon Airport). It is expensive
, 100LL very expensive, not at all GA friendly. It caters to the tour operat
ors.
>>>
>>> Instead go to Valle (40G), 25 miles or so south of GCN. Very GA friendly
, reasonable gas prices. If you want to tour the park on the ground the FBO h
as a couple of reasonably priced rental cars (reserve in advance). There is a
n adequate motel/restaurant within walking distance of the airport.
>>>
>>> The airport density altitude can be high, but no problem for an RV as lo
ng as you're under gross.
>>>
>
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| From: | Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
Grand Canyon is about 3.5 hrs flight time for me. That is absolutely
on my list of places to visit, hopefully, one day soon.
I hope you can give us some good pilot reports on your trip!
Jae
On 5/4/2012 9:19 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Good idea Lyle, thanks. And thanks to all who have commented.
>
> I'm planning to spend a week in Phoenix and trying to plan a few
> flights out with friends. Again, Sedona is on the list (pretty
> landscape as I understand it) and the Grand Canyon (double ditto).
>
> Any useful details or alternate destinations welcome.
>
> Thanks
> Bill Watson
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Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
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| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
If you have need or space, there are probably a few of us locals available.
I'm at Chandler, KCHD.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Good idea Lyle, thanks. And thanks to all who have commented.
>
> I'm planning to spend a week in Phoenix and trying to plan a few flights
> out with friends. Again, Sedona is on the list (pretty landscape as I
> understand it) and the Grand Canyon (double ditto).
>
> Any useful details or alternate destinations welcome.
>
> Thanks
> Bill Watson
>
>
> On 5/3/2012 7:46 PM, Lyle Peterson wrote:
>
> Just changing the subject. It's all very interesting conversation.
>
> On 5/3/2012 6:36 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
obturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
>
> re: Grand Canyon:
>
> I cannot say it enough, skip GCN (Grand Canyon Airport). It is expensive,
100LL very expensive, not at all GA friendly. It caters to the tour operat
ors.
>
> Instead go to Valle (40G), 25 miles or so south of GCN. Very GA friendly,
reasonable gas prices. If you want to tour the park on the ground the FBO
has a couple of reasonably priced rental cars (reserve in advance). There i
s an adequate motel/restaurant within walking distance of the airport.
>
> The airport density altitude can be high, but no problem for an RV as lon
g as you're under gross.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I'm glad to hear things have improved - except for 100LL, which airnav reports
at $7.20 per gal.
I was there 3 (or was it 4?) years ago. No rental cars (still true, I think) and
maybe it was bad luck, but it took forever to get a cab, and that wasn't cheap.
Also, attempting to arrive or depart in the evening involved climbing a padlocked
chain link fence!
I'd still recommend Valle as an alternative. Much cheaper gas, and their rental
van was no more expensive than cab fare from KGCN. And it's only a 25 minute
or so ride from Valle to the park entrance.
Also, while you're at Valle, they have an interesting museum of old cars and a
couple of old planes.
And the local motel/restaurant is an okay place to RON.
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RV-10 QB
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| From: | "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
First time there was 1974. Fuel around $1.60 per gal. Had a nice lunch.
Took off and flew (legally) down in the canyon (imprudent, yes) - the lower
you go the more impressive the scenery. Ah, the "good old days".
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 4:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flight over Grand Canyon
I'm glad to hear things have improved - except for 100LL, which airnav
reports at $7.20 per gal.
I was there 3 (or was it 4?) years ago. No rental cars (still true, I think)
and maybe it was bad luck, but it took forever to get a cab, and that wasn't
cheap.
Also, attempting to arrive or depart in the evening involved climbing a
padlocked chain link fence!
I'd still recommend Valle as an alternative. Much cheaper gas, and their
rental van was no more expensive than cab fare from KGCN. And it's only a 25
minute or so ride from Valle to the park entrance.
Also, while you're at Valle, they have an interesting museum of old cars and
a couple of old planes.
And the local motel/restaurant is an okay place to RON.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372413#372413
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Low Fuel Sensor Location |
Attached is a photo that Scott Schmidt provided me several years ago. I put
mine in the same location.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Koelzer
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Low Fuel Sensor Location
Looking for information regarding where to locate low fuel sensor in inboard
tank ribs related to vertical height vs location. I am building tanks, would
like to drill and install before final assembly, have calculated a location
but would like to verify my results. Looking for fuel measurements once
installed. I have AE Fuel Guardian sensors.
Any related data would be appreciated.
Tom Koelzer
40950 Wings
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
I've started studying the airspace situation - it's worse than DC.
Seems like you must stay 2 or 3 thousand above the canyon at all times.
Will need to obtain the Grand Canyon sectional for details.
I'm assuming that flying over the area at 7 to 10 MSL is beautiful but
not thrilling which is fine. I'm thinking we may day trip it from
Phoenix. Just have to decide on a good place to stop on the ground.
Might be nice to overfly then land by the lake for lunch.
Bill
On 5/4/2012 7:42 PM, Jerry Hansen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen"
>
> First time there was 1974. Fuel around $1.60 per gal. Had a nice lunch.
> Took off and flew (legally) down in the canyon (imprudent, yes) - the lower
> you go the more impressive the scenery. Ah, the "good old days".
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin competition |
The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the trigger
and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much committed in my
mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon system , Garmin SL30,
Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S transponder. I have the Dynon servo's
installed but am more than willing to take a $$ hit and replace them GRT.
I wonder about the GPS updates and their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks
to bringing this up Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since they
were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their latest
EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a remote
IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
At last, some competition for Garmin!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor Location |
| From: | Tom Koelzer <40950(at)rv10.net> |
Thanks Bob,
I'm planning to put my sensor in the same position fore and aft but probably an
inch or so lower to get warning at about 4 1/2 gal useable per my calculations.
Do you know what fuel level corresponds to the sensor location in the picture
you attached?
Tom
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | Garmin competition |
Remember the key is the DB updates as they go on forever.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin competition
The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the
trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much
committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon
system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S
transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to
take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and
their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up
Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
_____
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since
they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their
latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering
a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
At last, some competition for Garmin!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382= -
List Contribution Web Site ; &nb=====================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
For persons visiting AZ, you might want to consider La Posada either for a
meal or a night's stay in Winslow (KINW). The link for La Posada is
http://www.laposada.org/ . All the movie stars of the 1940s stayed there on
there train trips to/from California. Also I believe the Eagles were
"standin on the corner in Winslow Arizona"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin competition |
I have dual Dynons and they have been great! good company and they
address issues that develop. I would get on the Dynon forum and let them
know, as others have commented on the GRT as well
http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1332975573 let
Dynon know you are ready to drop the servos and go GRT if they
don=99t step up and keep up wih the GRT. Many have asked for IFR
however and Dynon has clearly stated they don=99t plan to go that
route.
Pascal
From: davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin competition
The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the
trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much
committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon
system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S
transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than
willing to take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS
updates and their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing
this up Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever
since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just
announced their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that
GRT is also offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
At last, some competition for Garmin!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382=
- List Contribution Web Site ;
&nb=====================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
Grand Canyon is 9 and above depending on region. On the other hand no F-16's
will come and check you out but plenty of air tour operators to/from Vegas
and St George. Monitor the chart freqs and you will have no problem. You
will get some excellent pics overflying the canyon at the required altitudes
though. If you land at any of the area strips low level flight in the
vicinity of the airport is authorized. On the other hand, there are plenty
of tree huggers down there to complain.
Albert Gardner
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Flight over Grand Canyon
I've started studying the airspace situation - it's worse than DC.
Seems like you must stay 2 or 3 thousand above the canyon at all times.
Will need to obtain the Grand Canyon sectional for details.
I'm assuming that flying over the area at 7 to 10 MSL is beautiful but not
thrilling which is fine. I'm thinking we may day trip it from Phoenix.
Just have to decide on a good place to stop on the ground.
Might be nice to overfly then land by the lake for lunch.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor Location |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
My memory seems to recall about five gallons, but I'm sure that Scott can share
his results since he's been flying for awhile. I'm about 90 days away from putting
fuel in the tanks.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
On May 4, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Tom Koelzer <40950(at)rv10.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob,
>
> I'm planning to put my sensor in the same position fore and aft but probably
an inch or so lower to get warning at about 4 1/2 gal useable per my calculations.
Do you know what fuel level corresponds to the sensor location in the picture
you attached?
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Garmin competition |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
If you decide to stay with the Dynon, they have a Mode S transponder
that works with the EFIS and ADSB for much less than the Garmin 330.
With the money you save you could upgrade to a Garmin GTN650 GPS. That
is about what I am looking at very soon. I looked and didn't see any
mention of a GPS on Grand Rapids web site. Their current iteration of
EFIS looks like a big improvement from what they offered a couple
years ago.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM, wrote:
>
> The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the trigger
and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much committed in
my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon system , Garmin SL30,
Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S transponder. I have the Dynon
servo's installed but am more than willing to take a $$ hit and replace them GRT.
I wonder about the GPS updates and their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks
to bringing this up Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> Howell, MI
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>
>
> Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since
they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their latest
EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a
remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
>
> At last, some competition for Garmin!
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382= - List Contribution Web Site ; &nb=====================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Actually it isn't that bad. While many will suggest you should be
above the air tour aircraft, but it isn't a requirement, you just need
to be on the correct frequency for the sector and communicate what you
are doing so everyone knows where the traffic is. So generally you
can be in the 1-2 thousand AGL, remembering that the north side of the
canyon is often 1000 above the south side. Also you can be lower the
further away from the GCN airport and main tourist area. Page and
Glen Canyon dam area is also scenic with less restriction.
Keep density altitude in mind, and hopefully stay at least a couple
hundred lbs below gross wt so your plane doesn't handle like a
sluggish pig.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> I've started studying the airspace situation - it's worse than DC. Seems
> like you must stay 2 or 3 thousand above the canyon at all times. Will need
> to obtain the Grand Canyon sectional for details.
>
> I'm assuming that flying over the area at 7 to 10 MSL is beautiful but not
> thrilling which is fine. I'm thinking we may day trip it from Phoenix.
> Just have to decide on a good place to stop on the ground. Might be nice
> to overfly then land by the lake for lunch.
>
> Bill
>
> On 5/4/2012 7:42 PM, Jerry Hansen wrote:
>>
>>
>> First time there was 1974. Fuel around $1.60 per gal. Had a nice lunch.
>> Took off and flew (legally) down in the canyon (imprudent, yes) - the
>> lower
>> you go the more impressive the scenery. Ah, the "good old days".
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Garmin competition |
I have the dual SkyView install with the Dynon XPDR and Garmin GTN-650. I
fully recommend the SkyView and associated XPDR. The 650 however is not
what I wanted, just want I was left with after I exhausted all other
options. I would have much preferred an updated GX-60 and SL-30 combo (at
half the cost of a 650), but Garmin killed such options, leaving us with
just the grossly overpriced 650 and similar.
My concern is that the customer base for this part of the avionics market is
so narrow that no new competitor will risk jumping into it.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin competition
If you decide to stay with the Dynon, they have a Mode S transponder that
works with the EFIS and ADSB for much less than the Garmin 330.
With the money you save you could upgrade to a Garmin GTN650 GPS. That is
about what I am looking at very soon. I looked and didn't see any mention of
a GPS on Grand Rapids web site. Their current iteration of EFIS looks like a
big improvement from what they offered a couple years ago.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM, wrote:
>
> The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the
trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much
committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon
system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S
transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to
take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and
their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up
Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> Howell, MI
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>
>
> Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever
since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced
their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also
offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
>
> At last, some competition for Garmin!
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382=
> - List Contribution Web Site ;
> &nb=====================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Garmin competition |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Unfortunately the Avidyne 540 and the King 770 aren't expected out
until at least the end of this year, if not later. I would seriously
consider either one if they were available now.
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
>
> I have the dual SkyView install with the Dynon XPDR and Garmin GTN-650. I
> fully recommend the SkyView and associated XPDR. The 650 however is not
> what I wanted, just want I was left with after I exhausted all other
> options. I would have much preferred an updated GX-60 and SL-30 combo (at
> half the cost of a 650), but Garmin killed such options, leaving us with
> just the grossly overpriced 650 and similar.
>
> My concern is that the customer base for this part of the avionics market is
> so narrow that no new competitor will risk jumping into it.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 5:47 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>
>
> If you decide to stay with the Dynon, they have a Mode S transponder that
> works with the EFIS and ADSB for much less than the Garmin 330.
> With the money you save you could upgrade to a Garmin GTN650 GPS. That is
> about what I am looking at very soon. I looked and didn't see any mention of
> a GPS on Grand Rapids web site. Their current iteration of EFIS looks like a
> big improvement from what they offered a couple years ago.
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM, wrote:
>>
>> The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the
> trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much
> committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon
> system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S
> transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to
> take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and
> their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up
> Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
>>
>> David Clifford
>>
>> RV-10 Builder
>> Howell, MI
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>>
>>
>>
>> Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever
> since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced
> their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also
> offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
>>
>> At last, some competition for Garmin!
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382
>> - List Contribution Web Site ;
>> &nb=====================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RV-10 measurement flap to spinner dimension |
| From: | Karol Hansen <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com> |
Would someone please provide me with the exact dimension from Van's Spinner (nose),
to flaps UP position (trailing edge) - plumb bob dimension will work. Am
trying to determine if the 10 is going to fit in my current hanger. Thanks much!
Rich Hansen
6A - sold
10 - FWF
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
| From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Just my 2 cents: I strongly encourage you to get the Grand Canyon chart far in
advance, and plan your flight to criss cross the canyon in the corridors provided.
I've been a couple of times, and by far the most enjoyable time was when I took
the chart and plotted out my own waypoints by measuring lat/lon directly on the
chart. I then put those in as user waypoints and had the autopilot fly the
course. I entered from the South, crossed once at one altitude, the autopilot
made the turn for me as I descended to come back the other way.
I had my wife and 4 kids in the plane that time, and it was WONDERFUL to know exactly
where I was at all times, be able to keep my head out of the plane 100%
of the time and participate in my family's enjoyment.
If you have the chart and arrive and hand fly the corridors you'll still enjoy
it, but it sure takes a load off to have a planned course and fly that plan.
Mark the points on your chart and use a straight-edge to find what the lat/lon
is from the graticule on the chart.
One other thing: We spent early morning in Sedona. Then saw the Grand Canyon.
Then hit Monument Valley. All doable in a day, but it's all so freaking spectacular
that your mind just goes numb and shuts down. Highly recommend you try
to enjoy each separately and get the most.
Have a safe flight!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372528#372528
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Starship at Yuma |
We had a very rare treat here at Yuma Sat. Heard an unusual sound so I
walked around the corner on my hangar to see what was! A Starship came
taxing in on Z2 and parked on Millionair's ramp. Got a few pics and a mov as
it took off on 35. Very nice. I think it was out of Marana and I've heard
there are only 3 or 4 flying now.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor Location |
Bob,
do you know, what amount of fuel is left when the warning comes on?
Many thanks
Werner
On 05.05.2012 02:46, Bob Leffler wrote:
> Attached is a photo that Scott Schmidt provided me several years ago. I put
> mine in the same location.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Koelzer
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:00 PM
> To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Low Fuel Sensor Location
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Koelzer<40950(at)rv10.net>
>
> Looking for information regarding where to locate low fuel sensor in inboard
> tank ribs related to vertical height vs location. I am building tanks, would
> like to drill and install before final assembly, have calculated a location
> but would like to verify my results. Looking for fuel measurements once
> installed. I have AE Fuel Guardian sensors.
>
> Any related data would be appreciated.
>
> Tom Koelzer
> 40950 Wings
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
| From: | Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
That all sounds right on the mark! Will spend all the 2 cents.
Sent from my iPad
On May 7, 2012, at 12:45 AM, "Bill Strahan" wrote:
>
> Just my 2 cents: I strongly encourage you to get the Grand Canyon chart far
in advance, and plan your flight to criss cross the canyon in the corridors provided.
>
> I've been a couple of times, and by far the most enjoyable time was when I took
the chart and plotted out my own waypoints by measuring lat/lon directly on
the chart. I then put those in as user waypoints and had the autopilot fly the
course. I entered from the South, crossed once at one altitude, the autopilot
made the turn for me as I descended to come back the other way.
>
> I had my wife and 4 kids in the plane that time, and it was WONDERFUL to know
exactly where I was at all times, be able to keep my head out of the plane 100%
of the time and participate in my family's enjoyment.
>
> If you have the chart and arrive and hand fly the corridors you'll still enjoy
it, but it sure takes a load off to have a planned course and fly that plan.
Mark the points on your chart and use a straight-edge to find what the lat/lon
is from the graticule on the chart.
>
> One other thing: We spent early morning in Sedona. Then saw the Grand Canyon.
Then hit Monument Valley. All doable in a day, but it's all so freaking spectacular
that your mind just goes numb and shuts down. Highly recommend you
try to enjoy each separately and get the most.
>
> Have a safe flight!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372528#372528
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight over Grand Canyon |
http://www.swaviator.com/html/issueJJ99/canyon.html
Interesting site detailing the issues surrounding GC flights. About half way down
the author discusses his favorite path to fly the GC as a GA pilot with the
current restrictions. Sounds like a lot of fun.
Robin
Sent from the new iPad
On May 6, 2012, at 11:33 PM, "Bill Watson" wrote:
>
> That all sounds right on the mark! Will spend all the 2 cents.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 7, 2012, at 12:45 AM, "Bill Strahan" wrote:
>
>>
>> Just my 2 cents: I strongly encourage you to get the Grand Canyon chart far
in advance, and plan your flight to criss cross the canyon in the corridors provided.
>>
>> I've been a couple of times, and by far the most enjoyable time was when I took
the chart and plotted out my own waypoints by measuring lat/lon directly on
the chart. I then put those in as user waypoints and had the autopilot fly
the course. I entered from the South, crossed once at one altitude, the autopilot
made the turn for me as I descended to come back the other way.
>>
>> I had my wife and 4 kids in the plane that time, and it was WONDERFUL to know
exactly where I was at all times, be able to keep my head out of the plane 100%
of the time and participate in my family's enjoyment.
>>
>> If you have the chart and arrive and hand fly the corridors you'll still enjoy
it, but it sure takes a load off to have a planned course and fly that plan.
Mark the points on your chart and use a straight-edge to find what the lat/lon
is from the graticule on the chart.
>>
>> One other thing: We spent early morning in Sedona. Then saw the Grand Canyon.
Then hit Monument Valley. All doable in a day, but it's all so freaking spectacular
that your mind just goes numb and shuts down. Highly recommend you
try to enjoy each separately and get the most.
>>
>> Have a safe flight!
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372528#372528
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor Location |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
>From what I recall in conversations with Scott, it should be about 5 gallons.
I made those mods about three years ago, so the memory is a little fuzzy.
I will test in July when I first put fuel in the tanks.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
On May 7, 2012, at 2:28 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> do you know, what amount of fuel is left when the warning comes on?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Werner
>
> On 05.05.2012 02:46, Bob Leffler wrote:
>> Attached is a photo that Scott Schmidt provided me several years ago. I put
>> mine in the same location.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Koelzer
>> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:00 PM
>> To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Low Fuel Sensor Location
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Koelzer<40950(at)rv10.net>
>>
>> Looking for information regarding where to locate low fuel sensor in inboard
>> tank ribs related to vertical height vs location. I am building tanks, would
>> like to drill and install before final assembly, have calculated a location
>> but would like to verify my results. Looking for fuel measurements once
>> installed. I have AE Fuel Guardian sensors.
>>
>> Any related data would be appreciated.
>>
>> Tom Koelzer
>> 40950 Wings
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starship at Yuma |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
There are a very small number that didn't accept Beech buyback. I don't
know how they are able to keep them airworthy, as I believe Beech intended
to return the type certificate to the FAA. There are about 6 of them parked
in storage at AVQ, Marana airport(formerly known as Avra Valley). From what
I understand, they turned out so heavy from FAA certification requirements
at the time, that they don't perform as well or have as much room as King
Airs, and cost at least as much to operate.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Albert Gardner wrote:
> We had a very rare treat here at Yuma Sat. Heard an unusual sound so I
> walked around the corner on my hangar to see what was! A Starship came
> taxing in on Z2 and parked on Millionair's ramp. Got a few pics and a mov
> as
> it took off on 35. Very nice. I think it was out of Marana and I've heard
> there are only 3 or 4 flying now.
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starship at Yuma |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Another composite airplane that didn't quite live up to its billing. Beech just
couldn't get the weight down to their original estimates, so they ended up with
a full load/very short range or long range/very few passengers airplane.
I may be wrong, but I think a few years ago Beech stated that they would no longer
support the Starship, and offered something (I don't know how generous) to
buy back the remaining ones?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372569#372569
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| From: | Tom Koelzer <40950(at)rv10.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor Location |
Have you ever verified by fuel measurement on the ground or just indication
on the fuel gauge in flight?
Tom
Jae Chang writes:
>
> I can confirm. I used Scott's measurements, and i got the optical warning
> at 5 gallons in level flight the other day. However, with turbulence, it
> can warn with as high as 10 gallons.
>
> Jae
>
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| From: | Nikolaos Napoli <napolin(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin competition |
I have the A dual screen GRT system on order. I started out with Dynon then switched
to Garmin G3X and ended up with GRT. At the current prices they are offering
the system it looks to me like a bargain compared to the others. They
will be offering the remote transponder for about 2K a remote audio panel for
about 1K and a remote waas gps for about 4.5K. They tell me these will be ready
in July. By theway my screens are shipping this week. This allows one to
actually get 3 big screens up front if desired with everything else mounted remotely..
Additionally you can put an androis tablet on the console that can control
everything through wifi if you dont want to use the main screen. I havent
finalized my setup as I allready have a GTN650 and have to decide on where
to place it.
For comparison a second HXr screen is $3600 vs about $3400 for Dynon but the GRT
screen is larger with higher resolution and has wifi and arinc 429 built in
so you end up with two for backup. It also has an autopilot that can fly a vertically
coupled approach.
If I sound excited about GRT its because I believe they just raised the bar for
everyone and I am not connected to them in any way.
Nikolaos Napoli
On May 5, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> If you decide to stay with the Dynon, they have a Mode S transponder
> that works with the EFIS and ADSB for much less than the Garmin 330.
> With the money you save you could upgrade to a Garmin GTN650 GPS. That
> is about what I am looking at very soon. I looked and didn't see any
> mention of a GPS on Grand Rapids web site. Their current iteration of
> EFIS looks like a big improvement from what they offered a couple
> years ago.
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM, wrote:
>>
>> The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the trigger
and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much committed
in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon system , Garmin
SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S transponder. I have the
Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to take a $$ hit and replace
them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks
to bringing this up Bob,------------Now I have another decision
to make!
>>
>> David Clifford
>>
>> RV-10 Builder
>> Howell, MI
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
>>
>>
>>
>> Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since
they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their
latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a
remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
>>
>> At last, some competition for Garmin!
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382= - List Contribution Web Site ; &nb=====================
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| From: | Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor Location |
No, i have never verified the optical warning on the ground. It would
be a somewhat moot point for me since the optical sensor was installed
at least 4 years prior to my wings installed. there was no way i was
going to change its location now. thus, yes, 5 gals is what was
indicated form the float senders only, which were calibrated every 2
gallons.
Jae
On 5/7/2012 1:06 PM, Tom Koelzer wrote:
> Have you ever verified by fuel measurement on the ground or just
> indication on the fuel gauge in flight?
> Tom
> Jae Chang writes:
>> I can confirm. I used Scott's measurements, and i got the optical
>> warning at 5 gallons in level flight the other day. However, with
>> turbulence, it can warn with as high as 10 gallons.
>> Jae
--
#40533 RV-10
First flight 10/19/2011
Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
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| From: | Tom Koelzer <40950(at)rv10.net> |
| Subject: | Low Fuel Sensor Location |
Bob,
Thanks! That is very close to the position I have chosen for which my
calculations show 4.7 gal total or an estimate of 4.4 gal useable
(sucking air). Jae reports his sensor on at 5 gal in level flight using
the same Scott Schmidt location.
Tom
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Bob Leffler <bob(at)thelefflers.com>
> Subject: Fuel sensor
> Date: May 7, 2012 4:43:50 PM CDT
> To: Tom Koelzer <40950(at)rv10.net>
>
> The bottom is on the right. This is a photo of my right wing.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor Location |
| From: | Tom Koelzer <40950(at)rv10.net> |
Michael,
Looked at your the relevant page at:
http://tinyurl.com/msausen
There you stated you marked the tank for 2.5 gal (vs the 5gal) and the mark on
your tank is consistent with my calculations. I had included the 3.5 deg dihedral
but not the incidence but further calculations showed only a decrease in my
figures by about one-half pint because of fuel being higher towards the back
of the tank. And that looked pretty close to what you measured.
All this means is that I have more confidence my model calculations are consistent
with results, at least at the 5 gal and 2.5 gal levels. But as others have
stated, sensor indications vary, maybe even double for rough air or rudder inputs
(I'm probably measuring with a micrometer and cutting with an axe). This
was really only a cerebral exercise more than anything.
Thanks to all who responded. I will provide analysis if interested.
Tom
40950
On May 7, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:
>
> If you can find my entries in the http://www.mykitlog.com/msausen/ site, I actually put one of the wings in flight orientation and used a manometer to set the 5gal mark. Haven't flown it yet though so YMMV.
>
> Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Starship at Yuma |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
I heard on the Beech list that one is still owned by a friend of
Rutan's, and he was offered a King Air 350 in exchange and turned it
down.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> Another composite airplane that didn't quite live up to its billing. Beech just
couldn't get the weight down to their original estimates, so they ended up
with a full load/very short range or long range/very few passengers airplane.
>
> I may be wrong, but I think a few years ago Beech stated that they would no longer
support the Starship, and offered something (I don't know how generous)
to buy back the remaining ones?
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372569#372569
>
>
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | Chelton data storage |
I am installing a BlackVue DR400G HD DVR in my aircraft; this will be pilot
selectable on or off to record takeoffs, landings, other flight for later
review. The camera has no way to add intercom audio to the recording so the
only audio input will be some voice and lots of engine noise. If there is
ever an incident it might be advisable to synchronize the video with Chelton
EFIS data. The question is how much EFIS data is stored and for how long?
David McNeill
N46007 570TT
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| From: | "Andrew Johnson" <noconwud(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Is it possible to convert a conventional tappet IO-540 C4D5 |
engine to a roller tappet engine?
After spending many professional years in building and repairing diesel
engines on ships, I've become a believer in roller tappet technology.
I'm certain there are other professional opinions out there on the
subject, but my specific question for the group is: Can you take an
engine that has conventional tappets and install roller tappets without
altering the crankcase?
Thanks.
Andy Johnson
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| Subject: | Re: Is it possible to convert a conventional tappet IO-540 |
C4D5
| From: | "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> |
A few conversions have been done, but it requires modifying the case. Lyc. will
not do the conversion.
Jim Berry
N15JB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372713#372713
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton data storage |
| From: | "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> |
The Chelton will save data at 1 second intervals for the last 5 flights. Page 9-51
of the Pilot Guide says "there is no reasonable limit to the length of the
flights."
Jim Berry
N15JB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372715#372715
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| Subject: | Re: Is it possible to convert a conventional tappet IO-540 |
C4D5
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Superior pre bankruptcy made a roller tappet that could be retrofitted. The
lycoming tappet cannot without significant machining of case. I don't know
what is available from Superior now.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Jim Berry wrote:
>
> A few conversions have been done, but it requires modifying the case. Lyc.
> will not do the conversion.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372713#372713
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is it possible to convert a conventional tappet IO-540 |
C4D5
| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
I've heard that with a prop strike, even a soft one (safety cone, taxiway light,
etc), Lycoming REQUIRES that all of the roller tappets be replaced and they
are huge coin.
The old school ones are much cheaper and only have to be inspected in a strike,
or so I was told.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372794#372794
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| Subject: | Re: Is it possible to convert a conventional tappet IO-540 |
C4D5
| From: | Timothy Farrell <motoracer(at)gmail.com> |
I was quoting an overhaul with LyCon recently and we got to talking about
the Roller Tappet conversion. LyCon will machine an upgrade into the case,
but it needs to be a very recently made case. In our situation the case
was 30 years old, so it didn't apply. If we really wanted to do it, LyCon
said that they could try to do a core swap for a newer case, but that it
would have a cost. Don't quote me on it, but I recall the conversion
adding somewhere in the ballpark of $10K (and I think that is with a newer
core), putting the option just about in the middle between a high
performance overhaul and a new high performance LyCon built engine.
Tim
*Aircrafters*
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville CA, 95076
KWVI
831-722-9141
www.AircraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Is it possible to convert a conventional tappet IO-540 |
C4D5
| From: | "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com> |
Those recent cases are difficult to find with the core market like it
is, and there is some risk with doing the conversion of damaging the
cases, and then they have to be repaired by a case overhaul shop,
usually CSI in Sand Springs, OK.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timothy
Farrell
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Is it possible to convert a conventional tappet
IO-540 C4D5
I was quoting an overhaul with LyCon recently and we got to talking
about the Roller Tappet conversion. LyCon will machine an upgrade into
the case, but it needs to be a very recently made case. In our
situation the case was 30 years old, so it didn't apply. If we really
wanted to do it, LyCon said that they could try to do a core swap for a
newer case, but that it would have a cost. Don't quote me on it, but I
recall the conversion adding somewhere in the ballpark of $10K (and I
think that is with a newer core), putting the option just about in the
middle between a high performance overhaul and a new high performance
LyCon built engine.
Tim
Aircrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville CA, 95076
KWVI
831-722-9141
www.AircraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Re: Is it possible to convert a conventional tappet IO-540 |
C4D5
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Just got a quote from Lycon yesterday. Roller cam and lifters with the
modified case is a $3000 option. While I'm sure there is some benefit, I'm
not convinced it is that big a benefit. I tend to think flow balancing the
cylinders is a bigger benefit for less money.
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Timothy Farrell wrote:
> I was quoting an overhaul with LyCon recently and we got to talking about
> the Roller Tappet conversion. LyCon will machine an upgrade into the case,
> but it needs to be a very recently made case. In our situation the case
> was 30 years old, so it didn't apply. If we really wanted to do it, LyCon
> said that they could try to do a core swap for a newer case, but that it
> would have a cost. Don't quote me on it, but I recall the conversion
> adding somewhere in the ballpark of $10K (and I think that is with a newer
> core), putting the option just about in the middle between a high
> performance overhaul and a new high performance LyCon built engine.
>
> Tim
>
> *Aircrafters*
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville CA, 95076
> KWVI
> 831-722-9141
> www.AircraftersLLC.com
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | David Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Flo Scan K factor |
For those who have a G900X panel, have you adjusted the K factor value for more
accurate fuel flow readings? How did you calculate it? Using the K factor that
came with my Flo Scan sensor (mounted after the fuel servo, before the spider)
, I am showing fuel burn a bit greater than actual. Maybe 2 gallons more
in 60 gallons used. This is conservative, but I would like as accurate as possible
readings.
Also, has anyone measured the amount of fuel in the lines running from the wing
root to the spider on the engine?
Thanks.
Dave Leikam
N89DA
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| From: | speckter(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Flo Scan K factor |
I have been tweeking mine.=C2- I am off 1.5 gal/tank full.=C2- I keep a
log of several fill ups and calculate the average difference between what
the garmin shows and what I actually buy.=C2- Then I change my K factor b
y that amount.
I am thinking that there is some leaking out of the vent if I store the pla
ne before I fly it.=C2- That gives me different results from time to time
.
Gary Specketer
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Leikam" <arplnplt(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:55:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flo Scan K factor
For those who have a G900X panel, have you adjusted the K factor value for
more accurate fuel flow readings? =C2-How did you calculate it? =C2-Usi
ng the K factor that came with my Flo Scan sensor (mounted after the fuel s
ervo, before the spider) , I am showing fuel burn a bit greater than actual
. =C2-Maybe 2 gallons more in 60 gallons used. =C2-This is conservative
, but I would like as accurate as possible readings. =C2-
Also, has anyone measured the amount of fuel in the lines running from the
wing root to the spider on the engine?
Thanks.
Dave Leikam
N89DA
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| Subject: | Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
| From: | Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru some
storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered that
the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back to
NC.
After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best options
appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the needed
range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to help
do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and will
require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have them
with me.
Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
Sent from my iPad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
Bill, if you can make it down to Chandler, KCHD, I've got connectors,
crimpers, etc. Happen to have both right and left Bill archer nav
antennas on hand, but not a com antenna. Both radios should have BNC
connector near radio tray unless they are soldered in right angle
connectors. Have avionics tech available afternoons(he teaches at local
A&P school mornings).
Kelly
KCHD
Finishing kit, aka 90% to go
On 5/11/2012 7:34 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Watson
>
> Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru some
storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered
that the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back to
NC.
>
> After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best options
appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the
needed range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
>
> Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
>
> Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to help
do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and
will require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have them
with me.
>
> Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
Bill,
The SL-30 does have a special connector at the back of the tray, while the G430
has a male BNC connector.
#1 - Getting two fully-functional, panel-mounted radios would be the best option
overall, if you have a good way of doing that. A handheld has much lower power
output than an SL-30/-40/G430, which, added to your wingtip COM antenna, will
be very far from a good option for a second radio. I have an extra SL-40 around
that I could ship to you to use for the remainder of your trip. I would have
to verify with an avionics person that it would fit into an SL-30 tray without
problems, which I could test here, since I have an airplane with each here.
I think this would work fine, since the COM radio uses one side of the back
tray and the NAV radio uses the other side. Basically, this would leave your
NAV portion disconnected, but you would still have your COM. You would still be
able to use NAV on the G430 as well as the IFR GPS. Give me a call on the number
below in the morning if I can help you by shipping this radio to you (after
I test the functionality of the swap). This is probably the most expensive
option because of shipping, although many avionics shops are very proud of their
connectors (and time, if they won't let you borrow their crimping tools). This
would also save you from having to introduce more loss into your antenna cables
by using one of the two options below. There is also always the risk that
working behind the panel can introduce more problems into the system that is
currently, apparently, working just fine. Leaving that all alone is a good way
to make sure it keeps working correctly.
#2 - Your best option short of a new SL-30, as I see it, would be to either pick
a spot where both cables are close to each other that are easy to access and
put a male-female BNC connector on each so you can change which radio is connected
to which antenna, which you can easily switch back. Overall this will create
more loss in the system, but it should be fairly low loss if you have good
connections.
#3 - The other option is to cut the cable near the SL-30 tray (leaving enough room
for a reconnection down the road) and putting a male BNC connector on that
cable and connecting it to the G430 COM port (this is assuming that there is
enough cable to reach the G430 connector). Then you could either run the G430
antenna lead going to your wingtip antenna to a location where you can hook it
into your handheld radio, or making an extension cable with a female BNC on one
end and a male BNC on the other end and run that to your handheld radio.
GOD BLESS!
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On May 11, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru some
storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered
that the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back to
NC.
>
> After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best options
appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the
needed range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
>
> Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
>
> Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to help
do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and
will require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have them
with me.
>
> Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I would have bet $20 that my SL-30 had BNC connectors on it. In which case I'd
say just swap the coax lines. I know the Garmin has a TNC connector at the antenna
end.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372892#372892
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Okay, now I remember. There is an odd (RA?) connector on the back. I got my Gamin-required
wiring harness from Stein, and they wired the connector to a short
length of coax with a female BNC at its end.
So if yours is like that it's easy to swap.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372894#372894
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
| From: | Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
Kelly, I could definitely make it down to Chandler. Please let me know what time
would be best and I'll be there. I'm pretty confident that cutting the SL30
cable and crimping on a BNC would be a sure way of having one, good functioning
radio to get home with.
Thanks much,
Bill
919-824-4179
Sent from my iPad
On May 11, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Bill, if you can make it down to Chandler, KCHD, I've got connectors, crimpers,
etc. Happen to have both right and left Bill archer nav antennas on hand, but
not a com antenna. Both radios should have BNC connector near radio tray unless
they are soldered in right angle connectors. Have avionics tech available
afternoons(he teaches at local A&P school mornings).
> Kelly
> KCHD
> Finishing kit, aka 90% to go
>
> On 5/11/2012 7:34 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Watson
>>
>> Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru some
storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered
that the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back
to NC.
>>
>> After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best
options appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the
needed range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
>>
>> Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
>>
>> Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to
help do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and
will require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have
them with me.
>>
>> Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
| From: | Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
Jesse, I agree that #1 would be optimal. But I'm most confident trying to do #3.
At this point I really don't know where the failure is and it could be in
the audio panel or elsewhere. (the SL30 still lights up properly and looks like
it is operating, but I just get static on Rx while Tx function is unknown).
I'd love to slip a SL30 or 40 in to see what happens... But I could still be stuck
is what I'm thinking.
Would very much like to know if 40 would work though.
And maybe a handheld is a dead end.
Bill
Sent from my iPad
On May 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> The SL-30 does have a special connector at the back of the tray, while the G430
has a male BNC connector.
>
> #1 - Getting two fully-functional, panel-mounted radios would be the best option
overall, if you have a good way of doing that. A handheld has much lower power
output than an SL-30/-40/G430, which, added to your wingtip COM antenna,
will be very far from a good option for a second radio. I have an extra SL-40
around that I could ship to you to use for the remainder of your trip. I would
have to verify with an avionics person that it would fit into an SL-30 tray without
problems, which I could test here, since I have an airplane with each here.
I think this would work fine, since the COM radio uses one side of the back
tray and the NAV radio uses the other side. Basically, this would leave your
NAV portion disconnected, but you would still have your COM. You would still
be able to use NAV on the G430 as well as the IFR GPS. Give me a call on the
number below in the morning if I can help you by shipping this radio to you (after
I test the functionality of the swap). This is pr!
> obably the most expensive option because of shipping, although many avionics
shops are very proud of their connectors (and time, if they won't let you borrow
their crimping tools). This would also save you from having to introduce more
loss into your antenna cables by using one of the two options below. There
is also always the risk that working behind the panel can introduce more problems
into the system that is currently, apparently, working just fine. Leaving
that all alone is a good way to make sure it keeps working correctly.
>
> #2 - Your best option short of a new SL-30, as I see it, would be to either pick
a spot where both cables are close to each other that are easy to access and
put a male-female BNC connector on each so you can change which radio is connected
to which antenna, which you can easily switch back. Overall this will
create more loss in the system, but it should be fairly low loss if you have good
connections.
>
> #3 - The other option is to cut the cable near the SL-30 tray (leaving enough
room for a reconnection down the road) and putting a male BNC connector on that
cable and connecting it to the G430 COM port (this is assuming that there is
enough cable to reach the G430 connector). Then you could either run the G430
antenna lead going to your wingtip antenna to a location where you can hook
it into your handheld radio, or making an extension cable with a female BNC on
one end and a male BNC on the other end and run that to your handheld radio.
>
> GOD BLESS!
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On May 11, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
>>
>> Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru some
storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered
that the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back
to NC.
>>
>> After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best
options appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the
needed range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
>>
>> Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
>>
>> Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to
help do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and
will require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have
them with me.
>>
>> Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
Bill, I have a 30 sitting on my bench and could overnight it to you, should you
need it until you figure out what the problem is.
John
... by phone
On May 11, 2012, at 11:39 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Jesse, I agree that #1 would be optimal. But I'm most confident trying to do
#3. At this point I really don't know where the failure is and it could be in
the audio panel or elsewhere. (the SL30 still lights up properly and looks
like it is operating, but I just get static on Rx while Tx function is unknown).
>
> I'd love to slip a SL30 or 40 in to see what happens... But I could still be
stuck is what I'm thinking.
>
> Would very much like to know if 40 would work though.
>
> And maybe a handheld is a dead end.
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> The SL-30 does have a special connector at the back of the tray, while the G430
has a male BNC connector.
>>
>> #1 - Getting two fully-functional, panel-mounted radios would be the best option
overall, if you have a good way of doing that. A handheld has much lower
power output than an SL-30/-40/G430, which, added to your wingtip COM antenna,
will be very far from a good option for a second radio. I have an extra SL-40
around that I could ship to you to use for the remainder of your trip. I would
have to verify with an avionics person that it would fit into an SL-30 tray
without problems, which I could test here, since I have an airplane with each
here. I think this would work fine, since the COM radio uses one side of the back
tray and the NAV radio uses the other side. Basically, this would leave your
NAV portion disconnected, but you would still have your COM. You would still
be able to use NAV on the G430 as well as the IFR GPS. Give me a call on the
number below in the morning if I can help you by shipping this radio to you (after
I test the functionality of the swap). This is !
> pr!
>> obably the most expensive option because of shipping, although many avionics
shops are very proud of their connectors (and time, if they won't let you borrow
their crimping tools). This would also save you from having to introduce more
loss into your antenna cables by using one of the two options below. There
is also always the risk that working behind the panel can introduce more problems
into the system that is currently, apparently, working just fine. Leaving
that all alone is a good way to make sure it keeps working correctly.
>>
>> #2 - Your best option short of a new SL-30, as I see it, would be to either
pick a spot where both cables are close to each other that are easy to access
and put a male-female BNC connector on each so you can change which radio is connected
to which antenna, which you can easily switch back. Overall this will
create more loss in the system, but it should be fairly low loss if you have
good connections.
>>
>> #3 - The other option is to cut the cable near the SL-30 tray (leaving enough
room for a reconnection down the road) and putting a male BNC connector on that
cable and connecting it to the G430 COM port (this is assuming that there
is enough cable to reach the G430 connector). Then you could either run the G430
antenna lead going to your wingtip antenna to a location where you can hook
it into your handheld radio, or making an extension cable with a female BNC on
one end and a male BNC on the other end and run that to your handheld radio.
>>
>> GOD BLESS!
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> On May 11, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru some
storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered
that the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back
to NC.
>>>
>>> After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best
options appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the
needed range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
>>>
>>> Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
>>>
>>> Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to
help do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and
will require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have
them with me.
>>>
>>> Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
I'll try to check this morning to see if the -40 will work in the -30 tray.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On May 12, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Jesse, I agree that #1 would be optimal. But I'm most confident trying to do
#3. At this point I really don't know where the failure is and it could be in
the audio panel or elsewhere. (the SL30 still lights up properly and looks
like it is operating, but I just get static on Rx while Tx function is unknown).
>
> I'd love to slip a SL30 or 40 in to see what happens... But I could still be
stuck is what I'm thinking.
>
> Would very much like to know if 40 would work though.
>
> And maybe a handheld is a dead end.
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> The SL-30 does have a special connector at the back of the tray, while the G430
has a male BNC connector.
>>
>> #1 - Getting two fully-functional, panel-mounted radios would be the best option
overall, if you have a good way of doing that. A handheld has much lower
power output than an SL-30/-40/G430, which, added to your wingtip COM antenna,
will be very far from a good option for a second radio. I have an extra SL-40
around that I could ship to you to use for the remainder of your trip. I would
have to verify with an avionics person that it would fit into an SL-30 tray
without problems, which I could test here, since I have an airplane with each
here. I think this would work fine, since the COM radio uses one side of the back
tray and the NAV radio uses the other side. Basically, this would leave your
NAV portion disconnected, but you would still have your COM. You would still
be able to use NAV on the G430 as well as the IFR GPS. Give me a call on the
number below in the morning if I can help you by shipping this radio to you (after
I test the functionality of the swap). This is !
> pr!
>> obably the most expensive option because of shipping, although many avionics
shops are very proud of their connectors (and time, if they won't let you borrow
their crimping tools). This would also save you from having to introduce more
loss into your antenna cables by using one of the two options below. There
is also always the risk that working behind the panel can introduce more problems
into the system that is currently, apparently, working just fine. Leaving
that all alone is a good way to make sure it keeps working correctly.
>>
>> #2 - Your best option short of a new SL-30, as I see it, would be to either
pick a spot where both cables are close to each other that are easy to access
and put a male-female BNC connector on each so you can change which radio is connected
to which antenna, which you can easily switch back. Overall this will
create more loss in the system, but it should be fairly low loss if you have
good connections.
>>
>> #3 - The other option is to cut the cable near the SL-30 tray (leaving enough
room for a reconnection down the road) and putting a male BNC connector on that
cable and connecting it to the G430 COM port (this is assuming that there
is enough cable to reach the G430 connector). Then you could either run the G430
antenna lead going to your wingtip antenna to a location where you can hook
it into your handheld radio, or making an extension cable with a female BNC on
one end and a male BNC on the other end and run that to your handheld radio.
>>
>> GOD BLESS!
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> On May 11, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru some
storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered
that the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back
to NC.
>>>
>>> After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best
options appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the
needed range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
>>>
>>> Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
>>>
>>> Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to
help do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and
will require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have
them with me.
>>>
>>> Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
Yes, and now I remember that most radio shops will do this when they wire up your
radio stack. Bill, I highly recommend that you first, before making any other
plans or going anywhere, look behind the panel to see if there is a female/male
BNC splice about 6" from the SL-30, which would make the temporary fix very
easy.
I'll let you know what I find out about the -40/-30 swap.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On May 12, 2012, at 1:45 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> Okay, now I remember. There is an odd (RA?) connector on the back. I got my
Gamin-required wiring harness from Stein, and they wired the connector to a short
length of coax with a female BNC at its end.
>
> So if yours is like that it's easy to swap.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372894#372894
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
| From: | Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
Thanks much John and to all others who have offered assistance on and off the list!
At this point I'm committed to cut the cable and hook up the good antenna to the
good radio for the rest of the trip... With some help from my RV 10 friends.
Thanks to all!
Bill Watson
N215TG
Sent from my iPad
On May 12, 2012, at 5:52 AM, John Jessen wrote:
>
> Bill, I have a 30 sitting on my bench and could overnight it to you, should you
need it until you figure out what the problem is.
>
> John
>
> ... by phone
>
> On May 11, 2012, at 11:39 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
>>
>> Jesse, I agree that #1 would be optimal. But I'm most confident trying to do
#3. At this point I really don't know where the failure is and it could be
in the audio panel or elsewhere. (the SL30 still lights up properly and looks
like it is operating, but I just get static on Rx while Tx function is unknown).
>>
>> I'd love to slip a SL30 or 40 in to see what happens... But I could still be
stuck is what I'm thinking.
>>
>> Would very much like to know if 40 would work though.
>>
>> And maybe a handheld is a dead end.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> The SL-30 does have a special connector at the back of the tray, while the
G430 has a male BNC connector.
>>>
>>> #1 - Getting two fully-functional, panel-mounted radios would be the best option
overall, if you have a good way of doing that. A handheld has much lower
power output than an SL-30/-40/G430, which, added to your wingtip COM antenna,
will be very far from a good option for a second radio. I have an extra SL-40
around that I could ship to you to use for the remainder of your trip. I would
have to verify with an avionics person that it would fit into an SL-30 tray
without problems, which I could test here, since I have an airplane with each
here. I think this would work fine, since the COM radio uses one side of the
back tray and the NAV radio uses the other side. Basically, this would leave your
NAV portion disconnected, but you would still have your COM. You would still
be able to use NAV on the G430 as well as the IFR GPS. Give me a call on the
number below in the morning if I can help you by shipping this radio to you
(after I test the functionality of the swap). This is!
> !
>> pr!
>>> obably the most expensive option because of shipping, although many avionics
shops are very proud of their connectors (and time, if they won't let you borrow
their crimping tools). This would also save you from having to introduce
more loss into your antenna cables by using one of the two options below. There
is also always the risk that working behind the panel can introduce more problems
into the system that is currently, apparently, working just fine. Leaving
that all alone is a good way to make sure it keeps working correctly.
>>>
>>> #2 - Your best option short of a new SL-30, as I see it, would be to either
pick a spot where both cables are close to each other that are easy to access
and put a male-female BNC connector on each so you can change which radio is
connected to which antenna, which you can easily switch back. Overall this will
create more loss in the system, but it should be fairly low loss if you have
good connections.
>>>
>>> #3 - The other option is to cut the cable near the SL-30 tray (leaving enough
room for a reconnection down the road) and putting a male BNC connector on
that cable and connecting it to the G430 COM port (this is assuming that there
is enough cable to reach the G430 connector). Then you could either run the G430
antenna lead going to your wingtip antenna to a location where you can hook
it into your handheld radio, or making an extension cable with a female BNC
on one end and a male BNC on the other end and run that to your handheld radio.
>>>
>>> GOD BLESS!
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Coming into town a few days ago my SL30 went intermittent as we flew thru
some storms north of Phoenix. I used my G430 radio to get us in but rediscovered
that the limited range of my wingtip antenna will be a problem heading back
to NC.
>>>>
>>>> After unsuccessfully trying to get some avionics help here at KSDL, my best
options appear to be 1) swap the antenna leads on the SL30 and G430 to get the
needed range and 2) buy a handheld for backup.
>>>>
>>>> Re #2, I'm here long enough to have a radio delivered.
>>>>
>>>> Re #1 Does anyone know a local avionics tech that would able and willing to
help do the swap. I'm pretty sure the two radios have different plugs (?) and
will require some termination work. I can do it given the tools don't have
them with me.
>>>>
>>>> Any leads on local resources is appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bill "grounded comfortably in Paradise Valley" Watson
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
I have downloaded the Appventive weight and balance program for my tablet. In the
set-up I am getting my c.g. settings a little off. Is anyone using this or
a similar program with a center of gravity limits chart that can share their data
points for the corners in the diagram of the c.g. envelope? Thanks.
Eric
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372912#372912
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| Subject: | Re: W & B programs |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I use an Excel program. Not sure exactly what you're asking, but Van's limits,using
Van's reference datum, are 107.84" forward, 116.24" aft.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372935#372935
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| Subject: | Re: Radio problem in Phoenix - need some help |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Bill,
Just another option since you don't have the tools to cut the antenna lead and
re-terminate it with a BNC.
You could Fedx the radio to Garmin for an expedited repair. They are in Kansas
City. Assuming they could repair the radio, you could limp/fly there on the
way home and pick it up, or if you have time, have them Fedx it back. It probably
would take a week for all that if you are lucky.
At this point you don't really know that the antenna hasn't failed and the radio
is good. Remember, there is a BNC connector at the antenna end. Assuming you
can get to that, you also could go to Radio Shack and get several double female
connectors and several 6 foot BNC to BNC pre-fabricated jumpers and hook
the 430 up without cutting any wires. If you can't get a jumper and a barrel
connectors, I could send them to you, just let me know how long the jumper needs
to be.
Bill
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372956#372956
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Lightsquared files for bankruptcy |
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/14/falcones-lightsquared-files-for-bank
ruptcy/?nl=afternoonupdate&emc=edit_au_20120514
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: W & B programs |
| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
I am using Vans limits, was just trying to enter the data into an app that would
create a graphical box of the c.g. envelope. Van's published limits to not seem
to change as the weight of the aircraft varies. I was just looking to see
if anyone had other data that tapers the envelope as weight increased as many
airplanes do, or if the c.g. limits were the same throughout the entire weight
range of the aircraft.
Eric
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373085#373085
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| Subject: | Re: W & B programs |
| From: | Bob <condreyb(at)gmail.com> |
I asked that specific question of Vans several years ago and answer was that the
fwd & aft limits don't change as weight increases to gross.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On May 15, 2012, at 7:06 AM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote:
>
> I am using Vans limits, was just trying to enter the data into an app that would
create a graphical box of the c.g. envelope. Van's published limits to not
seem to change as the weight of the aircraft varies. I was just looking to see
if anyone had other data that tapers the envelope as weight increased as many
airplanes do, or if the c.g. limits were the same throughout the entire weight
range of the aircraft.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373085#373085
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: W & B programs |
| From: | John Zazulka <jpiper623(at)gmail.com> |
Bob, I don'tknow what you are looking for but I use a program called
FlightScale. It is an app on the i-pad. You can set up a graphical envelope
and that just add the weights of passangers and baggage and it will
automatically adjust or cg limits inside the envelope. I hope this helps.
John Z
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> I asked that specific question of Vans several years ago and answer was
> that the fwd & aft limits don't change as weight increases to gross.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 7:06 AM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote:
>
> >
> > I am using Vans limits, was just trying to enter the data into an app
> that would create a graphical box of the c.g. envelope. Van's published
> limits to not seem to change as the weight of the aircraft varies. I was
> just looking to see if anyone had other data that tapers the envelope as
> weight increased as many airplanes do, or if the c.g. limits were the same
> throughout the entire weight range of the aircraft.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373085#373085
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | iPad 3 flying observations |
| From: | Sheldon Olesen <saolesen(at)sirentel.net> |
I've had my iPad 3 out flying a few times and I have made a few observations.
I like to keep the iPad battery charged up while flying so I use the cigarette
lighter receptacle to hold a 12v charger. The 1 amp charger I used for the iPad
1 will not charge the new model. So I bought a new charger from Radio Shack
that will put out 2.1 amps. The iPad indicates that it is being charged but
the battery level keeps going down although more slowly. I wanted something
that would at least keep the level even or increase the charge. On the return
trip, I tried an inverter with the iPad wall charger plugged into it and that
worked. The downside is that this is a very clunky way to get the desired result.
I was using WingX and I had the cellular turned on so I could update the
weather if the reception was good enough. No other devices were connected
to the iPad. The screen brightness was set to about 1/2. Turning off the cellular
off may help the battery situation.
I am not fond of the glossy screen when flying, so I bought a Brando nonglare screen
protector to cure the problem. Unfortunately, the nonglare protector ruins
the look of the Retina display and makes it look like the old iPad screen.
The roughness of the matt screen gives the illusion of seeing individual
pixels. I don't have a solution for this, and since one of the reasons I upgraded
was the Retina screen, the nonglare protector may have to come off.
I had WingX quit a few times when I switched from the Moving Map display to Route
Planning. I don't know why and I have sent an email to Hilton about the problem.
Too early to have heard back from them.
Sheldon Olesen
RV-10 N475PV 385 hrs
Sent from my iPad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | iPad 3 flying observations |
Check amazon; they have one designed to charge the IPAD.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:13 AM
Subject: RV10-List: iPad 3 flying observations
I've had my iPad 3 out flying a few times and I have made a few
observations. I like to keep the iPad battery charged up while flying so I
use the cigarette lighter receptacle to hold a 12v charger. The 1 amp
charger I used for the iPad 1 will not charge the new model. So I bought a
new charger from Radio Shack that will put out 2.1 amps. The iPad indicates
that it is being charged but the battery level keeps going down although
more slowly. I wanted something that would at least keep the level even or
increase the charge. On the return trip, I tried an inverter with the iPad
wall charger plugged into it and that worked. The downside is that this is a
very clunky way to get the desired result. I was using WingX and I had the
cellular turned on so I could update the weather if the reception was good
enough. No other devices were connected to the iPad. The screen brightness
was set to about 1/2. Turning off the cellular off may help the battery
situation.
I am not fond of the glossy screen when flying, so I bought a Brando
nonglare screen protector to cure the problem. Unfortunately, the nonglare
protector ruins the look of the Retina display and makes it look like the
old iPad screen. The roughness of the matt screen gives the illusion of
seeing individual pixels. I don't have a solution for this, and since one
of the reasons I upgraded was the Retina screen, the nonglare protector may
have to come off.
I had WingX quit a few times when I switched from the Moving Map display to
Route Planning. I don't know why and I have sent an email to Hilton about
the problem. Too early to have heard back from them.
Sheldon Olesen
RV-10 N475PV 385 hrs
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Doors & gas struts |
| From: | "rleffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
I found a product on ACS called DISCOAT that looks interesting in protecting the windows during construction and paint. (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/discoat4220plexiglass.php)
Does anyone have any experience using the product? If so, how much did you need
to cover all five windows.
thanks,
bob
--------
Bob Leffler
N410BL - FWF
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373111#373111
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| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Doors & gas struts |
No experience with it here but some folks over at the canard sites use Spray Lat http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/plexiglasProtector.php and have had problems removing it. I just taped the window edges with some high quality pvc painters tape, then cut a heavy piece of soft flexible heavy clear vinyl sheet to fit and taped it down on top of the edging tape with Gorilla duct tape. Ran an X of Gorilla tape over the vinyl . We also did this on the Cozy transparencies and it works great and is cheap.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "rleffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:25:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Doors & gas struts
I found a product on ACS called DISCOAT that looks interesting in protecting the windows during construction and paint. (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/discoat4220plexiglass.php)
Does anyone have any experience using the product? If so, how much did you need
to cover all five windows.
thanks,
bob
--------
Bob Leffler
N410BL - FWF
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373111#373111
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: W & B programs |
FlightScale looks good (I have not tried it) but Advanced Flight Systems ha
s a free app that also looks nice (not sure about graphical interface) but
it is preloaded for many different aircraft including the RX-10. Yes I know
, it actually says RX-10.
App name: Weight Balance - Advanced Flight Systems Inc.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John Zazulka
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: W & B programs
Bob, I don'tknow what you are looking for but I use a program called Fligh
tScale. It is an app on the i-pad. You can set up a graphical envelope and
that just add the weights of passangers and baggage and it will automatical
ly adjust or cg limits inside the envelope. I hope this helps.
John Z
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Bob > wrote:
ail.com>>
I asked that specific question of Vans several years ago and answer was tha
t the fwd & aft limits don't change as weight increases to gross.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On May 15, 2012, at 7:06 AM, "Eric_Kallio" > wrote:
cout019(at)msn.com>>
>
> I am using Vans limits, was just trying to enter the data into an app tha
t would create a graphical box of the c.g. envelope. Van's published limits
to not seem to change as the weight of the aircraft varies. I was just loo
king to see if anyone had other data that tapers the envelope as weight inc
reased as many airplanes do, or if the c.g. limits were the same throughout
the entire weight range of the aircraft.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373085#373085
>
>
arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: W & B programs |
only reports weights for gross weight issues, not W&B as I recall from
my usage a while back.
Pascal
From: Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: W & B programs
FlightScale looks good (I have not tried it) but Advanced Flight Systems
has a free app that also looks nice (not sure about graphical interface)
but it is preloaded for many different aircraft including the RX-10. Yes
I know, it actually says RX-10.
App name: Weight Balance - Advanced Flight Systems Inc.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Zazulka
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: W & B programs
Bob, I don'tknow what you are looking for but I use a program called
FlightScale. It is an app on the i-pad. You can set up a graphical
envelope and that just add the weights of passangers and baggage and it
will automatically adjust or cg limits inside the envelope. I hope this
helps.
John Z
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Bob wrote:
I asked that specific question of Vans several years ago and answer was
that the fwd & aft limits don't change as weight increases to gross.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On May 15, 2012, at 7:06 AM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote:
>
> I am using Vans limits, was just trying to enter the data into an app
that would create a graphical box of the c.g. envelope. Van's published
limits to not seem to change as the weight of the aircraft varies. I was
just looking to see if anyone had other data that tapers the envelope as
weight increased as many airplanes do, or if the c.g. limits were the
same throughout the entire weight range of the aircraft.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373085#373085
>
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| Subject: | Re: Doors & gas struts |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
The Vans' struts work okay if you don't add a lot of weight to the door. If you
do add a lot of interior panels, etc., you may need a stronger strut.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373125#373125
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| Subject: | Re: Doors & gas struts |
| From: | "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> |
My doors are stock with no interior panels. Van's std. struts worked OK for about
a year, then started to lose lift, especially in cold weather. Switched to
Van's heavy duty struts. They work fine, but are pricey at about $120 each. McMaster-Carr
has similar for lower cost.
Jim Berry
N15JB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373133#373133
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| Subject: | Re: Doors & gas struts |
| From: | Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
I used this stuff and it works as advertised. You'll probably end up applying
it several times to each piece but, only because that's how the work goes. It
goes along way and is easy to take off. Took awhile to trust it and you still
tape edges. Paper and tape works as well but you can't see through it.
Bill
Sent from my iPad
On May 15, 2012, at 1:25 PM, "rleffler" wrote:
>
> I found a product on ACS called DISCOAT that looks interesting in protecting the windows during construction and paint. (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/discoat4220plexiglass.php)
>
> Does anyone have any experience using the product? If so, how much did you
need to cover all five windows.
>
> thanks,
>
> bob
>
> --------
> Bob Leffler
> N410BL - FWF
> RV-10 #40684
> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373111#373111
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Doors & gas struts |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
Bill,
How much did you use to cover all the windows?
Thanks,
Bob
Sent from my iPad
On May 16, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> I used this stuff and it works as advertised. You'll probably end up applying
it several times to each piece but, only because that's how the work goes.
It goes along way and is easy to take off. Took awhile to trust it and you still
tape edges. Paper and tape works as well but you can't see through it.
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 1:25 PM, "rleffler" wrote:
>
>>
>> I found a product on ACS called DISCOAT that looks interesting in protecting the windows during construction and paint. (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/discoat4220plexiglass.php)
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience using the product? If so, how much did you
need to cover all five windows.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> bob
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Leffler
>> N410BL - FWF
>> RV-10 #40684
>> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373111#373111
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Firewall pass-through |
| From: | "rvdave" <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> |
I'm to the point of preparing for engine mounting and want to get things on firewall
so only have to hang engine once if possible. Wondering about either using
the compression type cable pass-throughs or the simpler bushing and sealant
method. Is there any other option or should I be swayed one way or the other?
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373214#373214
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| From: | John <johnag5b(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Doors & gas struts |
I have a gallon of this stuff (or equivalent) . Let men know if you want it for
shipping cost. I will be home by ttomorrow
John Ackerman
On May 16, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> I used this stuff and it works as advertised. You'll probably end up applying
it several times to each piece but, only because that's how the work goes.
It goes along way and is easy to take off. Took awhile to trust it and you still
tape edges. Paper and tape works as well but you can't see through it.
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 1:25 PM, "rleffler" wrote:
>
>>
>> I found a product on ACS called DISCOAT that looks interesting in protecting the windows during construction and paint. (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/discoat4220plexiglass.php)
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience using the product? If so, how much did you
need to cover all five windows.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> bob
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Leffler
>> N410BL - FWF
>> RV-10 #40684
>> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373111#373111
>>
>>
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>
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | Building the tail cone |
Question for those who used a quickbuild fuselage:
Did you build the tail cone structure using the quickbuild fuselage as a
hanger (not to be mistaken with hangAr)?
In other words, did you hang the tail cone structure on the fuselage when
building it, or did you build it separately?
Regards
Carlos
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
On Thursday, May 17, 2012, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> Question for those who used a quickbuild fuselage:****
>
> **It is done separately and attached after the fuselage is built.
>
>
> **
>
> Did you build the tail cone structure using the quickbuild fuselage as a
> hanger (not to be mistaken with hangAr)?****
>
> In other words, did you hang the tail cone structure on the fuselage when
> building it, or did you build it separately?****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards****
>
> Carlos****
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
It is built separately. The plans tell you when to attach the tail cone to the
fuselage.
David Maib
40559
RV-10 Transition Trainer
On May 17, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
Question for those who used a quickbuild fuselage:
Did you build the tail cone structure using the quickbuild fuselage as a hanger
(not to be mistaken with hangAr)?
In other words, did you hang the tail cone structure on the fuselage when building
it, or did you build it separately?
Regards
Carlos
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed before I ever
had the QB fuselage.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373247#373247
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8
months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the
"new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs.
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed before I ever
had the QB fuselage.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373247#373247
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall pass-through |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I purchased the compression pass through fittings from ACS. I was going to just
use the bushings as the plans call for, but for sealing and fire protection
the metal would hold up better.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373260#373260
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| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
I just flew to Atlanta & back yesterday with the iPad & Stratus, then flew up to
PA today with it, but had to fly back from PA to NC with a 696 with XM because
the Stratus was needed in another plane. I would have easily given up the 696
to have the iPad & Stratus combo. I did have coverage the whole way, so that's
a limiting factor of the ads-b in low/no coverage areas, but I am extremely
pleased with it.
I'll do a more detailed write up later from my computer including screenshots.
I did fly through a fair bit of IMC and it was right on, very helpful and very
easy to use.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | curtis groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Main gear shudder revisited |
Okay, I've done the things suggested in the past on this thread relative to
main gear leg shudder. -So, after having a chase car observe the main ge
ar lateral to and fro motion, re-torqueing axle nuts, checking gear box bol
ts, balancing tires and wheel covers, buying new tires and balancing them,
installing braided brake lines, experimenting with various weights of the p
lane (fuel, baggage, people), fore and aft stick, different tire pressures,
tapping the brakes, letting it roll out, I still get 14-16 knot shudder,
-And so, I've adopted previous suggested attitudes of "regard it as not a
problem", "annoying and embarrassing but not a problem", and "don't worry,
just let it shake".=0AQuestion: other RV models have used wood stiffeners;
-has anyone actually used this or other material in an RV-10, and if so,
did it work? -What material, shape, length, and how fastened? -Any oth
er suggestions?=0AThanks.=0ACurt Groote
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
I've been flying with wood stiffeners fiberglassed on the gear legs for abou
t 20 hours. It has definitely helped but when I'm light they still lightly s
hake. When I'm heavy they don't shake at all. Mine used to shake at 30 kias
. Much better though.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 17, 2012, at 21:47, curtis groote wrote:
> Okay, I've done the things suggested in the past on this thread relative t
o main gear leg shudder. So, after having a chase car observe the main gear
lateral to and fro motion, re-torqueing axle nuts, checking gear box bolts,
balancing tires and wheel covers, buying new tires and balancing them, inst
alling braided brake lines, experimenting with various weights of the plane (
fuel, baggage, people), fore and aft stick, different tire pressures, tappin
g the brakes, letting it roll out, I still get 14-16 knot shudder, And so, I
've adopted previous suggested attitudes of "regard it as not a problem", "a
nnoying and embarrassing but not a problem", and "don't worry, just let it s
hake".
> Question: other RV models have used wood stiffeners; has anyone actually u
sed this or other material in an RV-10, and if so, did it work? What materi
al, shape, length, and how fastened? Any other suggestions?
> Thanks.
> Curt Groote
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
| From: | Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com> |
If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at Synergy
Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none and
it was the same price as Van's.
Shannon
On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8
> months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the
> "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs.
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>>
>> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed before I ever
had the QB fuselage.
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373247#373247
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build
the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.
What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage
to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.
If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid
over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
> Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone
>
>
> If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at
Synergy
> Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none
and
> it was the same price as Van's.
>
> Shannon
>
> On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> >
> > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8
> > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the
> > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs.
> >
> > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner
wrote:
> >>
> >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed
before I
> ever had the QB fuselage.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Bob Turner
> >> RV-10 QB
> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
I'm just finishing up my tail cone, and I think having it attached to the
fuse would just make it almost impossible to get things installed. Once you
put the longerons and top skin on, it's fully rigid and doesn't need a jig.
I built mine on a pair of 2x3's screwed to the top of my bench, overhanging
about 2.5 feet. I think I got this idea from Tim Olsen. Worked awesome!
This both supported everything well and kept a gap between the bench top
and the skins so the clecos wouldn't have interference.
I am keeping video of my entire build, so you can see exactly how it goes
together here (and in later videos as well):
http://www.edandcolleen.com/tail-cone-taking-shape/
I have been able to do all construction on the tail cone single handed up
to the point I'm at now.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to
> build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.****
>
> ** **
>
> What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB
> fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just
> laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?****
>
> ** **
>
> Carlos****
>
> ** **
>
>
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
It sits on a work bench. Amazingly the CNC pre-punch system is so good that
if you follow the instructions the tail cone mates perfectly with the
fuselage.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone
Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build
the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.
What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage
to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.
If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid
over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
> Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone
>
>
> If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at
Synergy
> Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none
and
> it was the same price as Van's.
>
> Shannon
>
> On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> >
> > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8
> > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the
> > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs.
> >
> > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner
wrote:
> >>
> >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed
before I
> ever had the QB fuselage.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Bob Turner
> >> RV-10 QB
> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
| From: | Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
Hanging it would only make it more difficult. You'll want to build the tail
cne on a flat bench. No jig.
What worked well for me was large back riveting plate. Mine was about 24" x
12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard. This was laid on the benc
h and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to fit around the plate to prov
ide a folate surface for the cone to lie on.
With that setup, you can backrivet 80% or more of rivets flat on the bench
. That makes high quality results very easy. A short and long backrivet se
t is needed.
For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench, you can u
se a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and bang the rivets wit
h the backrivet set from inside the cone. Again, most of this is easily don
e laying on a flat bench.
I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after it was h
ung the result of planning oversights. Everything done on the bench was don
e single handed.
Bill Watson
Sent from my iPad
On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote:
> Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to bui
ld the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.
>
> What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselag
e to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.
>
> If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just lai
d over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?
>
> Carlos
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
> > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone
> >
> >
> > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at
Synergy
> > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to non
e and
> > it was the same price as Van's.
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8
> > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the
> > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs.
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner w
rote:
>
> > >>
> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed bef
ore I
> > ever had the QB fuselage.
> > >>
> > >> --------
> > >> Bob Turner
> > >> RV-10 QB
> > >>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
| From: | Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
I should add that for the clecoing and match drilling you need saw horses or
something to raise cone off the bench to clear the clecos. It becomes pret
ty obvious as you proceed.
Yes, the accuracy of the CNC stuff is simply amazing. It just all fits despi
te your best efforts.
Bill
Sent from my iPad
On May 18, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Hanging it would only make it more difficult. You'll want to build the ta
ilcne on a flat bench. No jig.
>
> What worked well for me was large back riveting plate. Mine was about 24"
x 12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard. This was laid on the be
nch and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to fit around the plate to pr
ovide a folate surface for the cone to lie on.
>
> With that setup, you can backrivet 80% or more of rivets flat on the ben
ch. That makes high quality results very easy. A short and long backrivet s
et is needed.
>
> For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench, you ca
n use a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and bang the rivets w
ith the backrivet set from inside the cone. Again, most of this is easily d
one laying on a flat bench.
>
> I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after it was
hung the result of planning oversights. Everything done on the bench was d
one single handed.
>
> Bill Watson
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote:
>
>> Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to bu
ild the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.
>>
>> What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fusela
ge to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.
>>
>> If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just la
id over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
>> > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
>> > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45
>> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone
>> >
>> >
>> > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally a
t Synergy
>> > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to no
ne and
>> > it was the same price as Van's.
>> >
>> > Shannon
>> >
>> > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8
>> > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the
>> > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs.
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner w
rote:
u>
>> > >>
>> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed be
fore I
>> > ever had the QB fuselage.
>> > >>
>> > >> --------
>> > >> Bob Turner
>> > >> RV-10 QB
>> > >>
>>
>>
>>
>> =========================
=========
>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> =========================
=========
>> cs.com
>> =========================
=========
>> matronics.com/contribution
>> =========================
=========
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
Thanks Ed
That's exactly the kind of answer I was looking for
Regards
Carlos
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kranz
Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 13:48
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone
I'm just finishing up my tail cone, and I think having it attached to the
fuse would just make it almost impossible to get things installed. Once you
put the longerons and top skin on, it's fully rigid and doesn't need a jig.
I built mine on a pair of 2x3's screwed to the top of my bench, overhanging
about 2.5 feet. I think I got this idea from Tim Olsen. Worked awesome! This
both supported everything well and kept a gap between the bench top and the
skins so the clecos wouldn't have interference.
I am keeping video of my entire build, so you can see exactly how it goes
together here (and in later videos as well):
http://www.edandcolleen.com/tail-cone-taking-shape/
I have been able to do all construction on the tail cone single handed up to
the point I'm at now.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build
the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.
What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage
to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.
If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid
over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?
Carlos
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
If you are just starting out, it is well worth the money to get a #40
and #30 chucking reamer. Keeps the holes rounder and more accurate, as
well as reducing need for deburring. (actually, since most holes are
dimpled, which enlarges the hole, a #41 reamer gives a finished hole
closer to AN3 rivet size). Avery and other tool sources stock the reamers.
On 5/18/2012 6:48 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> I should add that for the clecoing and match drilling you need saw
> horses or something to raise cone off the bench to clear the clecos.
> It becomes pretty obvious as you proceed.
>
> Yes, the accuracy of the CNC stuff is simply amazing. It just all fits
> despite your best efforts.
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Bill Watson > wrote:
>
>> Hanging it would only make it more difficult. You'll want to build
>> the tailcne on a flat bench. No jig.
>>
>> What worked well for me was large back riveting plate. Mine was
>> about 24" x 12" x 1/4" (guesstimate) from a local scap yard. This
>> was laid on the bench and scrap 1/4" ply from the crate was used to
>> fit around the plate to provide a folate surface for the cone to lie on.
>>
>> With that setup, you can backrivet 80% or more of rivets flat on
>> the bench. That makes high quality results very easy. A short and
>> long backrivet set is needed.
>>
>> For many of the rivets that can't be backriveted flat on the bench,
>> you can use a back rivet bucking bar (larger mushroom shaped) and
>> bang the rivets with the backrivet set from inside the cone. Again,
>> most of this is easily done laying on a flat bench.
>>
>> I considered most riveting that required crawling in the cone after
>> it was hung the result of planning oversights. Everything done on
>> the bench was done single handed.
>>
>> Bill Watson
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 18, 2012, at 8:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" > > wrote:
>>
>>> Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you
>>> to build the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.
>>>
>>> What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB
>>> fuselage to hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.
>>>
>>> If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it?
>>> Just laid over your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?
>>>
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
>>>
>>> > server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of
>>> Shannon Hicks
>>>
>>> > Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45
>>>
>>> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>>
>>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is
>>> Wally at Synergy
>>>
>>> > Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second
>>> to none and
>>>
>>> > it was the same price as Van's.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Shannon
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10
>>> weeks. 8
>>>
>>> > > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the
>>>
>>> > > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs.
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > >>
>>>
>>> > >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was
>>> completed before I
>>>
>>> > ever had the QB fuselage.
>>>
>>> > >>
>>>
>>> > >> --------
>>>
>>> > >> Bob Turner
>>>
>>> > >> RV-10 QB
>>>
>>> > >>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> ==================================
>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> ==================================
>>> cs.com <http://cs.com>
>>> ==================================
>>> matronics.com/contribution <http://matronics.com/contribution>
>>> ==================================
>>>
>>> *
>> *
>>
>> ==================================
>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> ==================================
>> cs.com
>> ==================================
>> matronics.com/contribution
>> ==================================
>>
>> *
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building the tail cone |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
Serves no real advantage other than to take up more space. Following the pla
ns in this case would be the best practice.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2012, at 7:14 AM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote:
Well, thanks for the answers, but I do know that the plans tell you to build
the tail cone separately from the middle and forward fuselage.
What I want to know is if anybody used, or recommends using the QB fuselage t
o hang the tail cone structure, while building the tail cone.
If not, where does everybody put the tail cone while building it? Just laid o
ver your work bench, or did you make a kind of gig?
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
> Sent: sexta-feira, 18 de Maio de 2012 12:45
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Building the tail cone
>
>
> If you are concerned about the quality of the QB, one option is Wally at S
ynergy
> Air. He did both my QB wings and fuse. The workmanship was second to none a
nd
> it was the same price as Van's.
>
> Shannon
>
> On May 17, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> >
> > About what I had...ordered when I figured I need the QB in 10 weeks. 8
> > months later I got my shipment, with some significant errors by the
> > "new" QB facility. Hopefully they have improved in the last 2 yrs.
> >
> > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Bob Turner wro
te:
> >>
> >> Due to a backlog of QB orders at Vans', my tailcone was completed befor
e I
> ever had the QB fuselage.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Bob Turner
> >> RV-10 QB
> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Sean,
Is the shudder from the main gear? Do you have any photos
Bill
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373333#373333
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | "Barry" <blalmarz(at)embarqmail.com> |
I am using the Matco axle on the nose wheel and cut the rubber seal on the bearings
back as suggested on the Matco web site. The axle allows better pressure
on the taper bearings and cutting the seal back allows the wheel to turn freer.
I still get a very slight shudder sometimes but it is much better than before
the mods.
Check out Antisplataero.com; they do a mod on the nose wheel to convert to ball
bearings and seem to have good results with other "A" models. The ball bearings
let the wheel spin freely and seems to take the side load off the gear leg.
If I have some down time in the future I may try their mod. Blue Skys Barry
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373339#373339
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| Subject: | Re: Lightsquared files for bankruptcy |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
Bad for them, but maybe good for aviation. Sounds like a bunch of billionaires
trying to make more billions at the expense of aviation's primary navigation system.
It seems like every week that I was getting a NOTAM from the FAA advising
me that the GPS may (will be) be unreliable due to lightsquare testing in an
area of Nevada. Apparently the bandwidth of the lightsquare license is too close
to the GPS signal to maintain integrity within its own band.
--------
See you OSH '12
Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
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| From: | "partner14" <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm flying from TX to CO to ID, and then over to Lebanon, Oregon for a few days
before heading south to NorCal, SoCal, and then back to TX (3290nm). Plan on
taking some Lebanon friends up to Vans to take the tour, and was wondering if
there's some sites in the area to see or fly over, and also any airport breakfast/lunch
places in the area that you guys would recommend.
Thanks, Don McDonald
N414DM
420 Hours and lovin it.
--------
Don A. McDonald
40636
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| From: | Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> |
| Subject: | Aileron Trim location |
I'm running into a question and wanted to investigate if somebody did
that already.
Is there any reason, to follow strictly Van's plan and mount the aileron
trim on the left hand wing or could it be done as well on the right hand
wing?
Reason is, doing the cabling plan for both wings I have much more wires
tubes on the left hand wing then on the right hand, so adding teh trim
servo there would ease a bit the size of the bundle on the left hand side.
Many thanks for tips, consideration and real life reports
Werner
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| From: | "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> |
Don,
Pretty much anywhere in Oregon is breathtaking. I recommend flying any part
of the coastline or the Columbia gorge or the vastly different terrain of
central Oregon.
A decent coastal route would be to roughly fly north out of Aurora over
downtown Portland (contact Portland approach through Class C. Sometimes
they put you over the top of PDX which is kinda fun otherwise over downtown
Portland which looks much better from the air than on the ground) and follow
the Columbia River north and west to Astoria. Then fly south along the
coast as far as you want to either Pacific City, KPFC or as far as KONP
(Newport) then back. Pacific city is short (1800ft) and feels like a
carrier landing. There are several restaurants within walking distance of
the field. I've always liked the Mexican place east of the field right
across the highway. The scenery is the best for this route at about
1500-2500ft (accept when crossing the coast range on the return of course).
KUAO KPDX KSPB KKLS KAST KPFC KUAO. Optionally you can cut out the PDX part
and fly north direct to AST but there not as much to look at and your over
terrain for the longest period of time. Tillamook, KTMK has an pretty cool
flight museum and a small caf. It's an old wooden WW2 blimp hangar (read
massive building).
There's always the McMinnville Flight Museum across the highway from KMMV
that houses the Spruce Goose. That can kill the better part of a day.
The Columbia Gorge at nearly any altitude is beautiful (but can be bumpy
down low depending on winds) KUAO KTTD KDLS. You can either reverse the
route or fly south out of DLS and back over the Cascades. South of DLS
there are some really beautiful rolling hills until it flattens out into
Central Oregon... Bend, OR area.
There are restaurants of varying quality at KSLE, K7S5, KTMK, KMMV (at the
museum across the highway), 4S9 Mulino (walk east down the grass to nearly
the highway a couple hundred yards), Sunriver S21 (the lodge will come pick
you up... the fbo will call for you). North a bit into WA is Bowerman KHQM
there is a decent diner on the filed there. The first Sat of each month
there is an EAA fly-in breakfast at Twin Oaks Airpark 7S3 (between Aurora
and HIO Hillsboro). Not "great" by any means but the company is good!
Ben Westfall
40579 (collecting dust)
PDX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Oregon Visit
I'm flying from TX to CO to ID, and then over to Lebanon, Oregon for a few
days before heading south to NorCal, SoCal, and then back to TX (3290nm).
Plan on taking some Lebanon friends up to Vans to take the tour, and was
wondering if there's some sites in the area to see or fly over, and also any
airport breakfast/lunch places in the area that you guys would recommend.
Thanks, Don McDonald
N414DM
420 Hours and lovin it.
--------
Don A. McDonald
40636
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| Subject: | Re: Oregon Visit |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
The museum with the Spruce Goose is great. It's not too far from Van's.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On May 20, 2012, at 11:27 AM, "partner14" wrote:
>
> I'm flying from TX to CO to ID, and then over to Lebanon, Oregon for a few days
before heading south to NorCal, SoCal, and then back to TX (3290nm). Plan
on taking some Lebanon friends up to Vans to take the tour, and was wondering
if there's some sites in the area to see or fly over, and also any airport breakfast/lunch
places in the area that you guys would recommend.
> Thanks, Don McDonald
> N414DM
> 420 Hours and lovin it.
>
> --------
> Don A. McDonald
> 40636
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373398#373398
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oregon Visit |
| From: | James McGrew <jsmcgrew(at)alum.mit.edu> |
Mt St. Helens is my favorite thing to fly over with sight seeing
passengers. Impressive to see even 22 years after it erupted. I've often
taken scenic flights up the Columbia Gorge, over/around St Helens;
sometimes around Adams and/or Mt Hood for good measure.
-Jim
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 11:27 AM, partner14 wrote:
>
> I'm flying from TX to CO to ID, and then over to Lebanon, Oregon for a few
> days before heading south to NorCal, SoCal, and then back to TX (3290nm).
> Plan on taking some Lebanon friends up to Vans to take the tour, and was
> wondering if there's some sites in the area to see or fly over, and also
> any airport breakfast/lunch places in the area that you guys would
> recommend.
> Thanks, Don McDonald
> N414DM
> 420 Hours and lovin it.
>
> --------
> Don A. McDonald
> 40636
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373398#373398
>
>
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| From: | "John J" <n212pj(at)gmail.com> |
Ben has covered a lot, if not most of the good spots if you'll be wanting to
stay north in Oregon.
When coming over from ID, and if it's a good day in the valley, you'll want
to pass by Mt. Jefferson if going direct Lebanon. You'll see most of the
volcanic Cascades. What a view! You'll love it. Or, if you've got cloud
cover in the valley, which is not unusual, and you need to get under them
(unless you're IFR, of course) head down the Columbia River Gorge before
turning south into the valley. Make sure you contact Portland Approach
(you've got approaching jets into PDX right above you) so they know what you
are up to, and make sure you know what the ceilings are in the valley and
gorge.
Once in the Lebanon area, any of what Ben listed is worth doing. I'd,
however, just add that a flight down to and around Crater Lake is worth the
time and fuel, although if you are headed south on your way out, you could
do that as you go. Another mountain venture is to fly up into Washington
and around Mt. Saint Helens. You can still make out the devastation, even
these many years later.
If you are coming to ID via CO, which is a route many choose, I'd suggest
hanging a right just north of Gooding, ID, and flying up the valley (Sun
Valley) towards Stanley. Now you're in the Sawtooths, which are
unbelievably beautiful. You can land at Stanley and grab a great meal at
the bakery there. Just walk down the hill from the airport and follow your
nose. If you need fuel, they have it, but expensive. Best to fuel up at
Gooding. Or, you can get fuel at the main airport near Sun Valley. But if
you don't need fuel, I'd gain some altitude and make it a bee line to
McCall, ID, fly over that lake and then head to Baker City, OR. Then
straight west, past Mt. Hood, hang a left once into the valley and down to
Lebanon. However, all this is predicated on the time of day. In the
afternoons it can get a bit dicey with thermals and thunderstorms. If it's
getting past noon and you've made it into the Boise River valley, you might
just want to get above 10k to smooth things out and make a bee line to your
destination.
Safe skies, and if you need anything further in the area, just give a call.
Ben, John C,
Rob H, myself, or any of the folks from EAA-105 will be glad to dish out the
advice and suggestions.
John J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Oregon Visit
-->
I'm flying from TX to CO to ID, and then over to Lebanon, Oregon for a few
days before heading south to NorCal, SoCal, and then back to TX (3290nm).
Plan on taking some Lebanon friends up to Vans to take the tour, and was
wondering if there's some sites in the area to see or fly over, and also any
airport breakfast/lunch places in the area that you guys would recommend.
Thanks, Don McDonald
N414DM
420 Hours and lovin it.
--------
Don A. McDonald
40636
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373398#373398
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| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Aileron Trim location |
Either wing will work fine.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Werner Schneider
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Aileron Trim location
I'm running into a question and wanted to investigate if somebody did that
already.
Is there any reason, to follow strictly Van's plan and mount the aileron
trim on the left hand wing or could it be done as well on the right hand
wing?
Reason is, doing the cabling plan for both wings I have much more wires
tubes on the left hand wing then on the right hand, so adding teh trim servo
there would ease a bit the size of the bundle on the left hand side.
Many thanks for tips, consideration and real life reports
Werner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking for a |
SL30 to swap
I just returned from trip out west in my RV10 N215TG. Just before
landing at the absolute furthest point away from home, my SL30 stopped
working (partially). Fortunately I have a G430 with Comm to back it up
though that required a bit of work to make work.
Anyway, I'm back home in Durham (Lake Ridge 8NC8) and need to swap my
SL30 with a working SL30 to confirm it's disfunction. Once I send it in
to Garmin, I understand it will cost $800 no matter what they find so I
want to make sure it's not working.
Does anyone have a working SL30 that I can fly to and do a momentary
swap with. I can pretty much assure you that my installation won't
damage your unit. In fact, my SL30 powers up, tunes freqs, and
otherwise appears to be working. But it won't communicate.
The only other culprit could be the PMA 9000 EX. Hopefully a swap will
narrow it down to one or the other.
Thanks in advance,
Bill Watson
919-824-4179
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oregon Visit |
What super info... thanks guys... although I really shouldn't be surprised.
- Anybody game for a multi-ship fly over to the north coast of OR (Astori
a), and then down the coast for lunch at Pacific City or Newport?- It cou
ld be either combined with the trip up to Van's on July 5th (plan on the 9a
m tour), or the next day, Friday the 6th.=0ANeed to clear up a few things..
. spending a week in Steamboat Springs, then about 4 days north of McCall I
D, then on to Lebanon OR.... not a straight shot from TX.- But it should
take us right by Mt Jefferson on the way to Lebanon.- Looking forward to
the trip.... as usual.=0ADon McDonald=0A-=0AYes, Pascal, I'll be headed y
our way around July 10th.-- =0A =0A=0A________________________________
=0A From: John J <n212pj(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent:
Sunday, May 20, 2012 3:08 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Oregon Visit=0A =0A
overed a lot, if not most of the good spots if you'll be wanting to=0Astay
north in Oregon.- =0A=0AWhen coming over from ID, and if it's a good day
in the valley, you'll want=0Ato pass by Mt. Jefferson if going direct Leban
on.- You'll see most of the=0Avolcanic Cascades.- What a view!- You'l
l love it.- Or, if you've got cloud=0Acover in the valley, which is not u
nusual, and you need to get under them=0A(unless you're IFR, of course) hea
d down the Columbia River Gorge before=0Aturning south into the valley.-
Make sure you contact Portland Approach=0A(you've got approaching jets into
PDX right above you) so they know what you=0Aare up to, and make sure you
know what the ceilings are in the valley and=0Agorge.- =0A=0AOnce in the
Lebanon area, any of what Ben listed is worth doing.- I'd,=0Ahowever, jus
t add that a flight down to and around Crater Lake is worth the=0Atime and
fuel, although if you are headed south on your way out, you could=0Ado that
as you go.- Another mountain venture is to fly up into Washington=0Aand
around Mt. Saint Helens.- You can still make out the devastation, even=0A
these many years later.- =0A=0AIf you are coming to ID via CO, which is a
route many choose, I'd suggest=0Ahanging a right just north of Gooding, ID
, and flying up the valley (Sun=0AValley) towards Stanley.- Now you're in
the Sawtooths, which are=0Aunbelievably beautiful.- You can land at Stan
ley and grab a great meal at=0Athe bakery there.- Just walk down the hill
from the airport and follow your=0Anose.- If you need fuel, they have it
, but expensive.- Best to fuel up at=0AGooding.- Or, you can get fuel a
t the main airport near Sun Valley.- But if=0Ayou don't need fuel, I'd ga
in some altitude and make it a bee line to=0AMcCall, ID, fly over that lake
and then head to Baker City, OR.- Then=0Astraight west, past Mt. Hood, h
ang a left once into the valley and down to=0ALebanon.- However, all this
is predicated on the time of day.- In the=0Aafternoons it can get a bit
dicey with thermals and thunderstorms.- If it's=0Agetting past noon and y
ou've made it into the Boise River valley, you might=0Ajust want to get abo
ve 10k to smooth things out and make a bee line to your=0Adestination.-
=0A=0ASafe skies, and if you need anything further in the area, just give a
call.=0ABen, John C, =0ARob H, myself, or any of the folks from EAA-105 wi
ll be glad to dish out the=0Aadvice and suggestions.- =0A=0AJohn J=0A=0A-
----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[m
ailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14=0ASent:
Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:27 AM=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RV10-
=0A=0AI'm flying from TX to CO to ID, and then
over to Lebanon, Oregon for a few=0Adays before heading south to NorCal, S
oCal, and then back to TX- (3290nm).=0APlan on taking some Lebanon friend
s up to Vans to take the tour, and was=0Awondering if there's some sites in
the area to see or fly over, and also any=0Aairport breakfast/lunch places
in the area that you guys would recommend.=0AThanks, Don McDonald=0AN414DM
=0A420 Hours and lovin it.=0A=0A--------=0ADon A. McDonald=0A40636=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L
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| From: | "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking for |
a SL30 to swap
Bill,
I cannot offer you a SL30, but I can offer you a wired and ready tray in my
plane that is waiting on an SL30 (saving up for it)! There might be some
logic in this approach.
I am 103 NM to your east at KEWN.
-Chris Lucas
N919AR
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking
for a SL30 to swap
I just returned from trip out west in my RV10 N215TG. Just before
landing at the absolute furthest point away from home, my SL30 stopped
working (partially). Fortunately I have a G430 with Comm to back it up
though that required a bit of work to make work.
Anyway, I'm back home in Durham (Lake Ridge 8NC8) and need to swap my
SL30 with a working SL30 to confirm it's disfunction. Once I send it in
to Garmin, I understand it will cost $800 no matter what they find so I
want to make sure it's not working.
Does anyone have a working SL30 that I can fly to and do a momentary
swap with. I can pretty much assure you that my installation won't
damage your unit. In fact, my SL30 powers up, tunes freqs, and
otherwise appears to be working. But it won't communicate.
The only other culprit could be the PMA 9000 EX. Hopefully a swap will
narrow it down to one or the other.
Thanks in advance,
Bill Watson
919-824-4179
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oregon Visit |
Steamboat....the Steamboat airport is much preferable to Hayden, but it
is only around 4500 ft long for 7000+ elevation, so you need to be
precise in your approach. Crater Lake is another great sight in the
OR/NV area.
On 5/20/2012 5:51 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> What super info... thanks guys... although I really shouldn't be
> surprised. Anybody game for a multi-ship fly over to the north coast
> of OR (Astoria), and then down the coast for lunch at Pacific City or
> Newport? It could be either combined with the trip up to Van's on
> July 5th (plan on the 9am tour), or the next day, Friday the 6th.
> Need to clear up a few things... spending a week in Steamboat Springs,
> then about 4 days north of McCall ID, then on to Lebanon OR.... not a
> straight shot from TX. But it should take us right by Mt Jefferson on
> the way to Lebanon. Looking forward to the trip.... as usual.
> Don McDonald
> Yes, Pascal, I'll be headed your way around July 10th. :) happy
>
> *From:* John J
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 20, 2012 3:08 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Oregon Visit
>
> >
>
> Ben has covered a lot, if not most of the good spots if you'll be
> wanting to
> stay north in Oregon.
>
> When coming over from ID, and if it's a good day in the valley, you'll
> want
> to pass by Mt. Jefferson if going direct Lebanon. You'll see most of the
> volcanic Cascades. What a view! You'll love it. Or, if you've got cloud
> cover in the valley, which is not unusual, and you need to get under them
> (unless you're IFR, of course) head down the Columbia River Gorge before
> turning south into the valley. Make sure you contact Portland Approach
> (you've got approaching jets into PDX right above you) so they know
> what you
> are up to, and make sure you know what the ceilings are in the valley and
> gorge.
>
> Once in the Lebanon area, any of what Ben listed is worth doing. I'd,
> however, just add that a flight down to and around Crater Lake is
> worth the
> time and fuel, although if you are headed south on your way out, you could
> do that as you go. Another mountain venture is to fly up into Washington
> and around Mt. Saint Helens. You can still make out the devastation, even
> these many years later.
>
> If you are coming to ID via CO, which is a route many choose, I'd suggest
> hanging a right just north of Gooding, ID, and flying up the valley (Sun
> Valley) towards Stanley. Now you're in the Sawtooths, which are
> unbelievably beautiful. You can land at Stanley and grab a great meal at
> the bakery there. Just walk down the hill from the airport and follow
> your
> nose. If you need fuel, they have it, but expensive. Best to fuel up at
> Gooding. Or, you can get fuel at the main airport near Sun Valley.
> But if
> you don't need fuel, I'd gain some altitude and make it a bee line to
> McCall, ID, fly over that lake and then head to Baker City, OR. Then
> straight west, past Mt. Hood, hang a left once into the valley and down to
> Lebanon. However, all this is predicated on the time of day. In the
> afternoons it can get a bit dicey with thermals and thunderstorms. If
> it's
> getting past noon and you've made it into the Boise River valley, you
> might
> just want to get above 10k to smooth things out and make a bee line to
> your
> destination.
>
> Safe skies, and if you need anything further in the area, just give a
> call.
> Ben, John C,
> Rob H, myself, or any of the folks from EAA-105 will be glad to dish
> out the
> advice and suggestions.
>
> John J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of partner14
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:27 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Oregon Visit
>
> --> >
>
> I'm flying from TX to CO to ID, and then over to Lebanon, Oregon for a few
> days before heading south to NorCal, SoCal, and then back to TX (3290nm).
> Plan on taking some Lebanon friends up to Vans to take the tour, and was
> wondering if there's some sites in the area to see or fly over, and
> also any
> airport breakfast/lunch places in the area that you guys would recommend.
> Thanks, Don McDonald
> N414DM
> 420 Hours and lovin it.
>
> --------
> Don A. McDonald
> 40636
>
>
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>
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| From: | <lewgall(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking for |
a SL30 to swap
Hey Bill,
I just talked to Wes about swapping out your SL30 in the -10. He's going to
check to make sure that's what he's got and I'll let you know tomorrow.
Surely you can find another closer to you, but if not "come on down" to
Greenville, SC.
Later, - Lew
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Oregon Visit |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
It'd be a crime to visit Pacific City and not visit the Pelican Pub, one of
the best brewpubs in the country. Great food, great beer, and right on the
beach, though you have to walk about a mile to get there. Get some beer to
go if you're flying.
-Rob
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Ben Westfall wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Pretty much anywhere in Oregon is breathtaking. I recommend flying any
> part
> of the coastline or the Columbia gorge or the vastly different terrain of
> central Oregon.
>
> A decent coastal route would be to roughly fly north out of Aurora over
> downtown Portland (contact Portland approach through Class C. Sometimes
> they put you over the top of PDX which is kinda fun otherwise over downto
wn
> Portland which looks much better from the air than on the ground) and
> follow
> the Columbia River north and west to Astoria. Then fly south along the
> coast as far as you want to either Pacific City, KPFC or as far as KONP
> (Newport) then back. Pacific city is short (1800ft) and feels like a
> carrier landing. There are several restaurants within walking distance o
f
> the field. I've always liked the Mexican place east of the field right
> across the highway. The scenery is the best for this route at about
> 1500-2500ft (accept when crossing the coast range on the return of course
).
> KUAO KPDX KSPB KKLS KAST KPFC KUAO. Optionally you can cut out the PDX
> part
> and fly north direct to AST but there not as much to look at and your ove
r
> terrain for the longest period of time. Tillamook, KTMK has an pretty co
ol
> flight museum and a small caf=E9. It's an old wooden WW2 blimp hangar (r
ead
> massive building).
>
> There's always the McMinnville Flight Museum across the highway from KMMV
> that houses the Spruce Goose. That can kill the better part of a day.
>
> The Columbia Gorge at nearly any altitude is beautiful (but can be bumpy
> down low depending on winds) KUAO KTTD KDLS. You can either reverse the
> route or fly south out of DLS and back over the Cascades. South of DLS
> there are some really beautiful rolling hills until it flattens out into
> Central Oregon... Bend, OR area.
>
> There are restaurants of varying quality at KSLE, K7S5, KTMK, KMMV (at th
e
> museum across the highway), 4S9 Mulino (walk east down the grass to nearl
y
> the highway a couple hundred yards), Sunriver S21 (the lodge will come pi
ck
> you up... the fbo will call for you). North a bit into WA is Bowerman KH
QM
> there is a decent diner on the filed there. The first Sat of each month
> there is an EAA fly-in breakfast at Twin Oaks Airpark 7S3 (between Aurora
> and HIO Hillsboro). Not "great" by any means but the company is good!
>
> Ben Westfall
> 40579 (collecting dust)
> PDX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:27 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Oregon Visit
>
>
> I'm flying from TX to CO to ID, and then over to Lebanon, Oregon for a fe
w
> days before heading south to NorCal, SoCal, and then back to TX (3290nm)
.
> Plan on taking some Lebanon friends up to Vans to take the tour, and was
> wondering if there's some sites in the area to see or fly over, and also
> any
> airport breakfast/lunch places in the area that you guys would recommend.
> Thanks, Don McDonald
> N414DM
> 420 Hours and lovin it.
>
> --------
> Don A. McDonald
> 40636
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373398#373398
>
>
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>
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Infant carseat in the -10 |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Just a few weeks away from our first kid, and I'm already thinking about
flying him around. I test fit our infant (rear-facing) carseat today, and
am not happy with how the lap belt of my 4-point system secures the seat
(see picture). I'd rather not have the buckle in the middle. Ideally I'd
use the seat base, but my seatbelt doesn't get short enough to make the
base work. What have others done?
Thanks in advance for the help...
-Rob
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Infant carseat in the -10 |
| From: | James McGrew <jsmcgrew(at)alum.mit.edu> |
For starters, I wasn't allowed to take them flying until age 1. Not my
decision, but that's about when we could trust them to keep the
headset on, so it worked out. By then we had graduated to the forward
facing seat. Still challenging to install with the standard Van's 4
point seatbelts, but not too bad. My 4 year old now uses just a
booster seat which is infinitely less effort. In the past it has been
a lot of work transfering the seats from the car to the plane to the
pilot car at our destination back to the plane... Looking forward to
leaving that behind.
-Jim
On 5/21/12, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Just a few weeks away from our first kid, and I'm already thinking about
> flying him around. I test fit our infant (rear-facing) carseat today, and
> am not happy with how the lap belt of my 4-point system secures the seat
> (see picture). I'd rather not have the buckle in the middle. Ideally I'd
> use the seat base, but my seatbelt doesn't get short enough to make the
> base work. What have others done?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help...
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
--
Sent from my mobile device
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| Subject: | Re: Infant carseat in the -10 |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
When is the baby due? My wife should be having a little girl around June 19t
h. Not exactly our first, but precious just the same.
We have only had a baby in the plane once. We strapped in the infant carrier
without the base. We have the standard Vans 4-point harnesses and it was ad
equate.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Just a few weeks away from our first kid, and I'm already thinking about f
lying him around. I test fit our infant (rear-facing) carseat today, and am
not happy with how the lap belt of my 4-point system secures the seat (see p
icture). I'd rather not have the buckle in the middle. Ideally I'd use the
seat base, but my seatbelt doesn't get short enough to make the base work.
What have others done?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help...
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim location |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net> |
Concur with Albert. However, I put mine in the left per the plans because I wanted
to balance where I put things for both weight and wiring considerations.
With my my roll servo on the right wing that would have been a lot wires on one
side had I place the trim servo there as well.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373464#373464
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 transition training |
| From: | "rleffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
Bob Turner wrote:
> Sort of a follow up on Bob's post:
>
> As to this thread: I wouldn't put too much weight on having the same EFIS. The
thrust of this training is really basic VFR piloting. I'd say what's more important,
can you land the plane if the EFIS totally quits? Which it may do on
a first flight. In a few hours of dual you really want to concentrate on making
flying the plane second nature, so that, when you do have your first flight,
you can be familiar enough with the flying that you can also look at engine
instruments, scan for traffic, etc. Once you're out of phase 1 then hire an instructor,
if need be, to instruct you in your plane, using your EFIS, autopilot,
GPS navigator, etc.
I didn't initially respond to Bob's email because I had a different opinion. I
just finished my transition training with Alex D. this weekend. I decided
to fly wIth Alex because he was the only instructor with an AFS panel.
That first flight I was overwhelmed by both the aircraft and the panel. I asked
to have the panel set to the six pack screen so that. I could focus on looking
out the window and flying the aircraft. I was having difficulties quickly
glancing and flying the information I was looking for. That extra time spent
find the information I was looking for distracted me and caused other issues.
Using the six pack, which was a familiar interface, solved my issues.
However, I did have several conversations on the ground going over menu and configuration
options which I found very valuable. Although I've flown in the right
seat behind the same edits, it isn't the same when you are the pic.
I'll probably use t he six pack during the initial flights of phase I.
So I still think taking transition training the same EFIS is beneficial. However,
any change in user interface may cause distractions and a learning curve.
Learning a new user interface and an aircraft at the same time may be too much
change to handle at one time.
I will say that training with Alex was very beneficial, as I'm sure the same is
with the others providing transition training. Alex is one of the best instructors
that I ever taken training from. I highly recommend Alex's training
program.
--------
Bob Leffler
N410BL - FWF
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| From: | "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> |
| Subject: | SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking for |
a SL30 to swap
Bill you might try building a simple harness w/power and audio and antenna
leads to bench test the unit. Although flying to one is probably more fun!!
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking
for a SL30 to swap
I just returned from trip out west in my RV10 N215TG. Just before landing
at the absolute furthest point away from home, my SL30 stopped working
(partially). Fortunately I have a G430 with Comm to back it up though that
required a bit of work to make work.
Anyway, I'm back home in Durham (Lake Ridge 8NC8) and need to swap my
SL30 with a working SL30 to confirm it's disfunction. Once I send it in to
Garmin, I understand it will cost $800 no matter what they find so I want to
make sure it's not working.
Does anyone have a working SL30 that I can fly to and do a momentary swap
with. I can pretty much assure you that my installation won't damage your
unit. In fact, my SL30 powers up, tunes freqs, and otherwise appears to be
working. But it won't communicate.
The only other culprit could be the PMA 9000 EX. Hopefully a swap will
narrow it down to one or the other.
Thanks in advance,
Bill Watson
919-824-4179
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| Subject: | Re: SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking for |
a
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Bill,
I think there's an easy test for the PMA9000, IF the SL-30 is wired as the #1 com.
Just turn it off (push on the volume control knob). The audio panel is "fail
safe" and should provide a direct connection between the #1 com and the pilot's
headset (pilot only, and left ear only if stereo).
I'm on the wrong coast, or I'd offer to swap my SL-30. If you can find one that's
certainly the easiest test. If you can't find one to borrow, you can consider
the following:
The "fail safe" test on the audio panel doesn't check the wiring. I'd pull both
the SL-30 and the audio panel. Get out the schematics and figure out what pins
carry the audio signals between the units. Use an ohmmeter with long probes
to reach back to the pins and check continuity, both "high" and "low" side of
the audio lines.
Does the VOR side of the SL-30 work? If so, just swap the coax on the back (not
so easy, I know). Connect the VOR antenna to the com antenna input, and vice
versa. Does the VOR now not work, and does the com now receive? If the answer
is yes, then the problem is in the com coax or the antenna. If no, it's the SL-30
itself (assuming you've ruled out the audio panel and audio wiring).
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking |
for a
Personally, my advice would be to either have a shop bench
test it, or take your SL-30 and put it in a known-good
airplane that uses an SL-30. If your SL-30 was somehow
blown up by a wiring issue or some other component in your
plane, it would really make you feel bad to take a fellow
RV'ers SL-30 and blow theirs up too. But to pull yours
and stick it into someone elses known-good tray, you'd
probably not be risking much.
Tim
On 5/21/2012 11:47 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob
> Turner"
>
> Bill,
>
> I think there's an easy test for the PMA9000, IF the SL-30 is wired
> as the #1 com. Just turn it off (push on the volume control knob).
> The audio panel is "fail safe" and should provide a direct connection
> between the #1 com and the pilot's headset (pilot only, and left ear
> only if stereo).
>
> I'm on the wrong coast, or I'd offer to swap my SL-30. If you can
> find one that's certainly the easiest test. If you can't find one to
> borrow, you can consider the following:
>
> The "fail safe" test on the audio panel doesn't check the wiring. I'd
> pull both the SL-30 and the audio panel. Get out the schematics and
> figure out what pins carry the audio signals between the units. Use
> an ohmmeter with long probes to reach back to the pins and check
> continuity, both "high" and "low" side of the audio lines.
>
> Does the VOR side of the SL-30 work? If so, just swap the coax on the
> back (not so easy, I know). Connect the VOR antenna to the com
> antenna input, and vice versa. Does the VOR now not work, and does
> the com now receive? If the answer is yes, then the problem is in the
> com coax or the antenna. If no, it's the SL-30 itself (assuming
> you've ruled out the audio panel and audio wiring).
>
> -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373493#373493
>
>
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| Subject: | Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone have any tips or documentation with regards to the installation
of SkyBolt's fasteners. The included documenation does an okay job of
detailing an RV-8 mockup, but it's nothing like the 10.
Any tips, documentation, or photos would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Phil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <lewgall(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Hey Phil,
I=99ve done several =938=99s now and the original
=9310 with skybolts (or camlocs) around the firewall, with hinge
pins on the horizontal joints. Some of the 8=99s owners got all
floating firewall receptacles =93 I don=99t recommend that
since that allows the gap to open between the cowl and the firewall. I
think they recommend only using the floating ones near the horizontal to
aid in installation after complete.
I don=99t like the =9Cears=9D that come with the new
kits to install as a flange along the firewall. It=99s relatively
so much easier to install a solid flange, then drill a pilot hole
through the cowl into the flange =93 match drilled, done. Vs.
trying to find the damn center of the pre-punched =9Cears=9D
with their jig, flashlight, etc.
Later, =93 Lew
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| Subject: | Biotherm 100 Fire Wall sealant |
| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all
Patrick Pulis had asked me to report on how the Biotherm 100 applied to my
firewall.
I finally got around to trying it today. For all intentions and purposes,
it is very similar to a silicon sealant. It was a little easier to use
(certainly a lot easier than Pro Seal) than silicon. I probably will add a
little more, read second application, to the corners of the firewall recess
after the initial application.
So Patrick, basically a non event . Hopefully I never need to depend on it.
Regards,
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Phil,
I have the skybolt style fastiners that can be adjusted to optimize height.
Not sure if they are skybolt or not. I think they ran me ~$500.00. I have/
had 4 RV's one was standard Vans Pins & Hinges and my -10 we used the Skybo
lt style fastiners and on both my 6A and my recent build of an RV-8A I used
S/S screws and washers. I do like the SB fastiners but they are expensive,
heavy and when the bits & pieces fail you you generally don't have a hand
full in your tool box or hangar. What I have come to like about the S/S scr
ews is they are light, inexpensive and available just about anywhere. They
work as well as the SB fastiners but with a fraction of the cost or effort.
Skybolt style
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl_Left.jpg]
S/S screws on my 6A
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/RV-6a/images/RV-6A%20P
ICTURES/Detail%20Photos/RV-6A%20(24).JPG]
Unpainted RV-8A with S/S screws and a special smaller washer. Painted photo
s due in 6 weeks :-)
[Description: J:\Users\Robin_2\Pictures\Airplanes\RV-8A\RV-8A Build Photos\
Cowl make-over 004.jpg]
I just re-read your email as I assume I am too late with my comments. Good
luck with your install.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Does anyone have any tips or documentation with regards to the installation
of SkyBolt's fasteners. The included documenation does an okay job of det
ailing an RV-8 mockup, but it's nothing like the 10.
Any tips, documentation, or photos would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Phil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
Bill,
No photos yet
Yes I believe it's the right main.
When I first heard about this I was still in the building process and hadn't
installed the gear yet. I paid close attention if my gear was toed in or
out. When I check the predrilled hole in the gear I realized from the
factory, one gear toed in and one toed out. I originally thought this was
causing some RV10's to shake at a certain speed. I fixed mine by calling
Vans and asking if I could go one bolt size bigger on the gear mount. They
replied yes so I set mine perfect to 1.2 toe in and tac welded the top so I
could drill a new bigger hole. After I drilled the bigger hole I used a
grinder to take off the welds and pulled the gear out, cleaned the holes and
reinstalled. I thought for sure this would fix the shake but it didn't. It
was very light until I put the extra weight of the wheel pants on. I got
sick of it over time and thought I would try the wood. I prosealed the wood
on and taped it with fiber tape to test. It worked much better so I
stripped the tape and fiberglassed it in. Like I said earlier it didn't
take all the shake away but it is a heck of a lot better than it was.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
>
> Sean,
> Is the shudder from the main gear? Do you have any photos
> Bill
>
> --------
> Bill
> WA0SYV
> Aviation Partners, LLC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373333#373333
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com> |
I took video of mine and it is definitely the right main gear shaking starting
at about 15 knots.
David Maib
RV-10 Transition Training
40559
Flying 500+ hours
On May 21, 2012, at 11:58 PM, Seano wrote:
Bill,
No photos yet
Yes I believe it's the right main.
When I first heard about this I was still in the building process and hadn't installed
the gear yet. I paid close attention if my gear was toed in or out.
When I check the predrilled hole in the gear I realized from the factory, one
gear toed in and one toed out. I originally thought this was causing some RV10's
to shake at a certain speed. I fixed mine by calling Vans and asking if I
could go one bolt size bigger on the gear mount. They replied yes so I set mine
perfect to 1.2 toe in and tac welded the top so I could drill a new bigger
hole. After I drilled the bigger hole I used a grinder to take off the welds
and pulled the gear out, cleaned the holes and reinstalled. I thought for sure
this would fix the shake but it didn't. It was very light until I put the
extra weight of the wheel pants on. I got sick of it over time and thought I
would try the wood. I prosealed the wood on and taped it with fiber tape to test.
It worked much better so I stripped the tape and fiberglassed it in. Like
I said earlier it didn't take all the shake away but it is a heck of a lot
better than it was.
----- Original Message ----- From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
>
> Sean,
> Is the shudder from the main gear? Do you have any photos
> Bill
>
> --------
> Bill
> WA0SYV
> Aviation Partners, LLC
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373333#373333
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ddddsp1(at)juno.com" <ddddsp1(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys running in yo
ur mains? Also do you still have the original vans tires?
Dean
____________________________________________________________
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The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
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| From: | David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable difference. I changed
to the Desser retreads with leak guard tubes when the original Van's tires were
worn out. Again, no noticeable change. I have balanced carefully, but makes
no difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and it goes away
at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more noticeable when braking hard on landing,
but no real repeatable set of conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at
all. Video camera on the belly of the airplane confirmed right main gear is the
culprit on my airplane.
David Maib
RV-10 Transition Trainer
40559
On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote:
just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys running in your mains?
Also do you still have the original vans tires?
Dean
____________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
consumerproducts.com
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
| From: | "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> |
I just removed all cam locks because I needed to do some sanding and didn't want
to get them sanded too.
Questions did you paint the cowling with the cam locks installed or not?
I am worried that once painted the paint will come off if you install them.
Any advice or suggestions?
Thank you
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (interior & finishing)
#511
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Removed the fastiners, painted, waited for some extra dry time then reinstalled.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Whisky
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
I just removed all cam locks because I needed to do some sanding and didn't want
to get them sanded too.
Questions did you paint the cowling with the cam locks installed or not?
I am worried that once painted the paint will come off if you install them.
Any advice or suggestions?
Thank you
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (interior & finishing)
#511
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from 40 -60 psi wi
th no change.
I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and back.
-Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib wrote:
> I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable difference. I c
hanged to the Desser retreads with leak guard tubes when the original Van's t
ires were worn out. Again, no noticeable change. I have balanced carefully, b
ut makes no difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and it g
oes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more noticeable when braking h
ard on landing, but no real repeatable set of conditions. Sometimes, it does
n't shake at all. Video camera on the belly of the airplane confirmed right m
ain gear is the culprit on my airplane.
>
> David Maib
> RV-10 Transition Trainer
> 40559
>
> On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote:
>
> just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys running in your
mains? Also do you still have the original vans tires?
>
> Dean
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
> The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
> consumerproducts.com
>
>
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ntribution
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Yeah, I'm planning on leaving the retaining ring off until the aircraft is
painted. That way I can remove the grommets and studs for painting. Then
install them permanently with the retainers in place after the paint is dry.
Phil
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Removed the fastiners, painted, waited for some extra dry time then
> reinstalled.
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Whisky
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
>
>
> I just removed all cam locks because I needed to do some sanding and
> didn't want to get them sanded too.
>
> Questions did you paint the cowling with the cam locks installed or not?
> I am worried that once painted the paint will come off if you install them.
> Any advice or suggestions?
>
> Thank you
> Michael
>
> --------
> RV-10 builder (interior & finishing)
> #511
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373584#373584
>
>
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| From: | treading(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
I built a RV7 and had to fiberglass the wood stiffeners to finally get rid of the
shudder. The wheel fairings made it worse when I reinstalled them after winter
was over. I was hoping that I would not have to install them on the 10 that
I am building .
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Schmidt" <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:13:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from 40 -60 psi with
no change.
I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and back.
-Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib < dmaib(at)me.com > wrote:
I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable difference. I changed
to the Desser retreads with leak guard tubes when the original Van's tires were
worn out. Again, no noticeable change. I have balanced carefully, but makes
no difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and it goes away
at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more noticeable when braking hard on landing,
but no real repeatable set of conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at
all. Video camera on the belly of the airplane confirmed right main gear is the
culprit on my airplane.
David Maib
RV-10 Transition Trainer
40559
On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote:
just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys running in your mains?
Also do you still have the original vans tires?
Dean
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | John Zazulka <jpiper623(at)gmail.com> |
Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out
antisplataero.com maybe try new bearings on the mains. The site looks very
interesting. I dont know if will help but check it out. John Z
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from 40 -60 psi
> with no change.
> I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and back.
> -Scott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib wrote:
>
> I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable difference. I
> changed to the Desser retreads with leak guard tubes when the original
> Van's tires were worn out. Again, no noticeable change. I have balanced
> carefully, but makes no difference. I get a shake starting at about 15
> knots GS and it goes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more
> noticeable when braking hard on landing, but no real repeatable set of
> conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at all. Video camera on the belly
> of the airplane confirmed right main gear is the culprit on my airplane.
>
> David Maib
> RV-10 Transition Trainer
> 40559
>
> On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote:
>
> just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys running in your
> mains? Also do you still have the original vans tires?
>
> Dean
>
>
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| From: | "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
Just curious...just curious...do the Van's demo RV-10's have this
shaking problem? How about Van's personal RV-10? I don't remember Alex
D's RV-10 shaking during transition training. He carries some weight in
the cargo area. Could an aft CG make it shake less?
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: John Zazulka<mailto:jpiper623(at)gmail.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out
antisplataero.com<http://antisplataero.com/> maybe try new bearings on
the mains. The site looks very interesting. I dont know if will help but
check it out. John Z
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt
> wrote:
I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from 40
-60 psi with no change.
I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and back.
-Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib
> wrote:
I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable
difference. I changed to the Desser retreads with leak guard tubes when
the original Van's tires were worn out. Again, no noticeable change. I
have balanced carefully, but makes no difference. I get a shake starting
at about 15 knots GS and it goes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a
bit more noticeable when braking hard on landing, but no real repeatable
set of conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at all. Video camera on
the belly of the airplane confirmed right main gear is the culprit on my
airplane.
David Maib
RV-10 Transition Trainer
40559
On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM,
ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote:
just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys running
in your mains? Also do you still have the original vans tires?
Dean
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
Also seems odd to only be right main, perhaps due to lack of passenger
weight on that side? Anyone try flying from the right seat to see if it
moves to left main?
On 5/22/2012 7:16 PM, Roger Standley wrote:
> Just curious...just curious...do the Van's demo RV-10's have this
> shaking problem? How about Van's personal RV-10? I don't remember Alex
> D's RV-10 shaking during transition training. He carries some weight
> in the cargo area. Could an aft CG make it shake less?
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Zazulka
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
>
> Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out
> antisplataero.com <http://antisplataero.com> maybe try new
> bearings on the mains. The site looks very interesting. I dont
> know if will help but check it out. John Z
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt
> > wrote:
>
> I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from
> 40 -60 psi with no change.
> I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and
> back.
> -Scott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib > wrote:
>
>> I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable
>> difference. I changed to the Desser retreads with leak guard
>> tubes when the original Van's tires were worn out. Again, no
>> noticeable change. I have balanced carefully, but makes no
>> difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and
>> it goes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more
>> noticeable when braking hard on landing, but no real
>> repeatable set of conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at
>> all. Video camera on the belly of the airplane confirmed
>> right main gear is the culprit on my airplane.
>>
>> David Maib
>> RV-10 Transition Trainer
>> 40559
>>
>> On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys
>> running in your mains? Also do you still have the original
>> vans tires?
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
I had a fairly profound nose wheel shimmy but after 60-100 hours (sorry don
't recall) we got the nose wheel dialed in (proper tightness & air pressure
) and have had zero shimmy since (300 TT). Not sure why I don't have the Ma
ins issues. Anyone else out there w/o this issue?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
Just curious...just curious...do the Van's demo RV-10's have this shaking p
roblem? How about Van's personal RV-10? I don't remember Alex D's RV-10 sha
king during transition training. He carries some weight in the cargo area.
Could an aft CG make it shake less?
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: John Zazulka<mailto:jpiper623(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out antisplat
aero.com<http://antisplataero.com> maybe try new bearings on the mains. The
site looks very interesting. I dont know if will help but check it out. Jo
hn Z
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt > wrote:
I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from 40 -60 psi w
ith no change.
I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and back.
-Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib
> wrote:
I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable difference. I ch
anged to the Desser retreads with leak guard tubes when the original Van's
tires were worn out. Again, no noticeable change. I have balanced carefully
, but makes no difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and
it goes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more noticeable when brak
ing hard on landing, but no real repeatable set of conditions. Sometimes, i
t doesn't shake at all. Video camera on the belly of the airplane confirmed
right main gear is the culprit on my airplane.
David Maib
RV-10 Transition Trainer
40559
On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrot
e:
just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys running in your
mains? Also do you still have the original vans tires?
Dean
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I haven't noticed any shimmy, nose or mains, light or heavy. Completely stock except
for the (correct) Matco nose wheel and bearing system.
--------
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RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373631#373631
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| From: | Etandrews <etandrews(at)westnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking |
for a
My SL30 failed recently - could not transmit or receive. The casing was alot
hotter than normal after 30mins use and there was a noticeable burnt electronics
smell from the back plugs.
Evan Andrews
VH-OSH flying
Sent from my iPad
On 22/05/2012, at 3:53 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Personally, my advice would be to either have a shop bench
> test it, or take your SL-30 and put it in a known-good
> airplane that uses an SL-30. If your SL-30 was somehow
> blown up by a wiring issue or some other component in your
> plane, it would really make you feel bad to take a fellow
> RV'ers SL-30 and blow theirs up too. But to pull yours
> and stick it into someone elses known-good tray, you'd
> probably not be risking much.
>
> Tim
>
> On 5/21/2012 11:47 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob
>> Turner"
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I think there's an easy test for the PMA9000, IF the SL-30 is wired
>> as the #1 com. Just turn it off (push on the volume control knob).
>> The audio panel is "fail safe" and should provide a direct connection
>> between the #1 com and the pilot's headset (pilot only, and left ear
>> only if stereo).
>>
>> I'm on the wrong coast, or I'd offer to swap my SL-30. If you can
>> find one that's certainly the easiest test. If you can't find one to
>> borrow, you can consider the following:
>>
>> The "fail safe" test on the audio panel doesn't check the wiring. I'd
>> pull both the SL-30 and the audio panel. Get out the schematics and
>> figure out what pins carry the audio signals between the units. Use
>> an ohmmeter with long probes to reach back to the pins and check
>> continuity, both "high" and "low" side of the audio lines.
>>
>> Does the VOR side of the SL-30 work? If so, just swap the coax on the
>> back (not so easy, I know). Connect the VOR antenna to the com
>> antenna input, and vice versa. Does the VOR now not work, and does
>> the com now receive? If the answer is yes, then the problem is in the
>> com coax or the antenna. If no, it's the SL-30 itself (assuming
>> you've ruled out the audio panel and audio wiring).
>>
>> -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373493#373493
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Thane States" <thane2(at)comporium.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
On my last conditional, I found, of course some wear in on the main
bearings. But I also found that both main wheel pant brackets had
excessive slop in the mounting hardware. The nuts had not loosened at
all, but the spacer material to offset the brackets had worn in. Once I
tightened this all up and repacked my bearings, I only have occasional
shudder during various taxi scenarios. Don't know which side is the
culprit, or if it is both. I also found the nylock nuts on the wheels
themselves to be loose. I assume with the heat from braking being
transferred to the wheels the nylon became hard and began to fail. I
upgraded the wheel half nuts to all metal to hopefully stop them from
backing off.
Thane states
220TT
RV-10
----- Original Message -----
From: John Zazulka
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out
antisplataero.com maybe try new bearings on the mains. The site looks
very interesting. I dont know if will help but check it out. John Z
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt
wrote:
I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from 40
-60 psi with no change.
I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and back.
-Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib wrote:
I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable
difference. I changed to the Desser retreads with leak guard tubes when
the original Van's tires were worn out. Again, no noticeable change. I
have balanced carefully, but makes no difference. I get a shake starting
at about 15 knots GS and it goes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a
bit more noticeable when braking hard on landing, but no real repeatable
set of conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at all. Video camera on
the belly of the airplane confirmed right main gear is the culprit on my
airplane.
David Maib
RV-10 Transition Trainer
40559
On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote:
just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys running
in your mains? Also do you still have the original vans tires?
Dean
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
Sean at Planearound.com makes a great replacement spacer
that will get rid of the slop permanently. Now that you've
tightened it up again, it will be OK for a while but eventually
will wear further and further until finally the hole is worn
thru and you need to replace the whole large bracket, so it's
probably worth checking into another option rather than
just retorquing.
Tim
On 5/23/2012 7:56 AM, Thane States wrote:
> On my last conditional, I found, of course some wear in on the main
> bearings. But I also found that both main wheel pant brackets had
> excessive slop in the mounting hardware. The nuts had not loosened at
> all, but the spacer material to offset the brackets had worn in. Once I
> tightened this all up and repacked my bearings, I only have occasional
> shudder during various taxi scenarios. Don't know which side is the
> culprit, or if it is both. I also found the nylock nuts on the wheels
> themselves to be loose. I assume with the heat from braking being
> transferred to the wheels the nylon became hard and began to fail. I
> upgraded the wheel half nuts to all metal to hopefully stop them from
> backing off.
> Thane states
> 220TT
> RV-10
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Zazulka
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
>
> Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out
> antisplataero.com <http://antisplataero.com> maybe try new bearings
> on the mains. The site looks very interesting. I dont know if will
> help but check it out. John Z
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt
> > wrote:
>
> I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from
> 40 -60 psi with no change.
> I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and
> back.
> -Scott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib > wrote:
>
>> I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable
>> difference. I changed to the Desser retreads with leak guard
>> tubes when the original Van's tires were worn out. Again, no
>> noticeable change. I have balanced carefully, but makes no
>> difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and it
>> goes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more noticeable
>> when braking hard on landing, but no real repeatable set of
>> conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at all. Video camera
>> on the belly of the airplane confirmed right main gear is the
>> culprit on my airplane.
>>
>> David Maib
>> RV-10 Transition Trainer
>> 40559
>>
>> On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys
>> running in your mains? Also do you still have the original
>> vans tires?
>>
>> Dean
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking |
for a
What did you do in terms of getting it fixed? What was the diagnosis?
Bill
On 5/23/2012 3:00 AM, Etandrews wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Etandrews
>
> My SL30 failed recently - could not transmit or receive. The casing was alot
hotter than normal after 30mins use and there was a noticeable burnt electronics
smell from the back plugs.
>
> Evan Andrews
> VH-OSH flying
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 22/05/2012, at 3:53 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>>
>> Personally, my advice would be to either have a shop bench
>> test it, or take your SL-30 and put it in a known-good
>> airplane that uses an SL-30. If your SL-30 was somehow
>> blown up by a wiring issue or some other component in your
>> plane, it would really make you feel bad to take a fellow
>> RV'ers SL-30 and blow theirs up too. But to pull yours
>> and stick it into someone elses known-good tray, you'd
>> probably not be risking much.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 5/21/2012 11:47 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob
>>> Turner"
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> I think there's an easy test for the PMA9000, IF the SL-30 is wired
>>> as the #1 com. Just turn it off (push on the volume control knob).
>>> The audio panel is "fail safe" and should provide a direct connection
>>> between the #1 com and the pilot's headset (pilot only, and left ear
>>> only if stereo).
>>>
>>> I'm on the wrong coast, or I'd offer to swap my SL-30. If you can
>>> find one that's certainly the easiest test. If you can't find one to
>>> borrow, you can consider the following:
>>>
>>> The "fail safe" test on the audio panel doesn't check the wiring. I'd
>>> pull both the SL-30 and the audio panel. Get out the schematics and
>>> figure out what pins carry the audio signals between the units. Use
>>> an ohmmeter with long probes to reach back to the pins and check
>>> continuity, both "high" and "low" side of the audio lines.
>>>
>>> Does the VOR side of the SL-30 work? If so, just swap the coax on the
>>> back (not so easy, I know). Connect the VOR antenna to the com
>>> antenna input, and vice versa. Does the VOR now not work, and does
>>> the com now receive? If the answer is yes, then the problem is in the
>>> com coax or the antenna. If no, it's the SL-30 itself (assuming
>>> you've ruled out the audio panel and audio wiring).
>>>
>>> -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373493#373493
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking |
for a
Points well made.
Getting someone with a working and mounted SL30 to swap mine into would
be ideal. Haven't been able to do that.
I'm comfortable slipping someone elses into mine because of the symptoms
but I know that I would feel compelled to replace anyone's unit I
damaged at full cost. Not something I would want to do but would do it
without hesitation in this situation.
Bill
On 5/21/2012 1:53 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Personally, my advice would be to either have a shop bench
> test it, or take your SL-30 and put it in a known-good
> airplane that uses an SL-30. If your SL-30 was somehow
> blown up by a wiring issue or some other component in your
> plane, it would really make you feel bad to take a fellow
> RV'ers SL-30 and blow theirs up too. But to pull yours
> and stick it into someone elses known-good tray, you'd
> probably not be risking much.
>
> Tim
>
> On 5/21/2012 11:47 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob
>> Turner"
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I think there's an easy test for the PMA9000, IF the SL-30 is wired
>> as the #1 com. Just turn it off (push on the volume control knob).
>> The audio panel is "fail safe" and should provide a direct connection
>> between the #1 com and the pilot's headset (pilot only, and left ear
>> only if stereo).
>>
>> I'm on the wrong coast, or I'd offer to swap my SL-30. If you can
>> find one that's certainly the easiest test. If you can't find one to
>> borrow, you can consider the following:
>>
>> The "fail safe" test on the audio panel doesn't check the wiring. I'd
>> pull both the SL-30 and the audio panel. Get out the schematics and
>> figure out what pins carry the audio signals between the units. Use
>> an ohmmeter with long probes to reach back to the pins and check
>> continuity, both "high" and "low" side of the audio lines.
>>
>> Does the VOR side of the SL-30 work? If so, just swap the coax on the
>> back (not so easy, I know). Connect the VOR antenna to the com
>> antenna input, and vice versa. Does the VOR now not work, and does
>> the com now receive? If the answer is yes, then the problem is in the
>> com coax or the antenna. If no, it's the SL-30 itself (assuming
>> you've ruled out the audio panel and audio wiring).
>>
>> -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373493#373493
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | PReid <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
Robin;
I seem to be in the same situation. I had it initially than my mentor fixed m
y tightness on the front and I am shimmy free.
Never had the rear shudder at all.
Pascal
On May 22, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> I had a fairly profound nose wheel shimmy but after 60-100 hours (sorry do
n=99t recall) we got the nose wheel dialed in (proper tightness & air p
ressure) and have had zero shimmy since (300 TT). Not sure why I don=99
t have the Mains issues. Anyone else out there w/o this issue?
>
> Robin
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:16 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
>
> Just curious...just curious...do the Van's demo RV-10's have this shaking p
roblem? How about Van's personal RV-10? I don't remember Alex D's RV-10 shak
ing during transition training. He carries some weight in the cargo area. Co
uld an aft CG make it shake less?
>
> Roger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Zazulka
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:33 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
>
> Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out antispla
taero.com maybe try new bearings on the mains. The site looks very interesti
ng. I dont know if will help but check it out. John Z
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt w
rote:
> I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from 40 -60 psi w
ith no change.
> I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and back.
> -Scott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib wrote:
>
> I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable difference. I c
hanged to the Desser retreads with leak guard tubes when the original Van's t
ires were worn out. Again, no noticeable change. I have balanced carefully, b
ut makes no difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and it g
oes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more noticeable when braking h
ard on landing, but no real repeatable set of conditions. Sometimes, it does
n't shake at all. Video camera on the belly of the airplane confirmed right m
ain gear is the culprit on my airplane.
>
> David Maib
> RV-10 Transition Trainer
> 40559
>
> On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote:
>
> just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys running in your
mains? Also do you still have the original vans tires?
>
> Dean
>
>
>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
I haven't had any shimmy at 175 hours. Half of my operations are off a
relatively rough grass strip and I don't think any shimmy would be
detected during those ops. However, I'm guessing that any wear that
would cause a shimmy would be accelerated. We'll see.
Bill
On 5/23/2012 12:13 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> I had a fairly profound nose wheel shimmy but after 60-100 hours
> (sorry don't recall) we got the nose wheel dialed in (proper tightness
> & air pressure) and have had zero shimmy since (300 TT). Not sure why
> I don't have the Mains issues. Anyone else out there w/o this issue?
>
> Robin
>
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> Standley
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:16 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
>
> Just curious...just curious...do the Van's demo RV-10's have this
> shaking problem? How about Van's personal RV-10? I don't remember Alex
> D's RV-10 shaking during transition training. He carries some weight
> in the cargo area. Could an aft CG make it shake less?
>
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*John Zazulka
>
> *To:*rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:33 PM
>
> *Subject:*Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
>
> Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out
> antisplataero.com <http://antisplataero.com> maybe try new
> bearings on the mains. The site looks very interesting. I dont
> know if will help but check it out. John Z
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt
> > wrote:
>
> I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from 40
> -60 psi with no change.
>
> I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and back.
>
> -Scott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib > wrote:
>
> I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable
> difference. I changed to the Desser retreads with leak guard
> tubes when the original Van's tires were worn out. Again, no
> noticeable change. I have balanced carefully, but makes no
> difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and it
> goes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more noticeable
> when braking hard on landing, but no real repeatable set of
> conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at all. Video camera
> on the belly of the airplane confirmed right main gear is the
> culprit on my airplane.
>
> David Maib
>
> RV-10 Transition Trainer
>
> 40559
>
> On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com
> wrote:
>
> just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys
> running in your mains? Also do you still have the original
> vans tires?
>
> Dean
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
I like the sky bolts, but I only put them across the top of the cowl. Their instructions
are poor, but mind the recommended spacing that they suggest and you
will be ok. They are very expensive, but to my mind worth it in THIS AREA ONLY.
They are good because they save a lot of time removing the cowl when you are
flight testing, when you should remove the cowl after each flight.
--------
See you OSH '12
Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> |
I did not have any shudder/shimmy during phase 1 and on into phase 2. I'm not sure
exactly when it started, but probably not until I had 100 or more hours on
the airplane. I can't find any wear anywhere in the gear that might make it shimmy.
I've re-torqued the main gear bolts and that has not changed anything.
I have thought about re-torquing those bolts with the airplane on jacks. Would
that make any difference?
It sounds like the wooden stiffener that has been fairly successful on the other
RV's might be worth exploring. Is anybody going down that path?
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
I didnt see the spacer on there website but it sounds like a good idea it s
eems I have to snug the nuts at each annual.Any advice about bahamas we are
leaving next week sac fxe georgetown.-thanks Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 6:12 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
Sean at Planearound.com makes a great replacement spacer
hat will get rid of the slop permanently. Now that you've
ightened it up again, it will be OK for a while but eventually
ill wear further and further until finally the hole is worn
hru and you need to replace the whole large bracket, so it's
robably worth checking into another option rather than
ust retorquing.
im
On 5/23/2012 7:56 AM, Thane States wrote:
On my last conditional, I found, of course some wear in on the main
bearings. But I also found that both main wheel pant brackets had
excessive slop in the mounting hardware. The nuts had not loosened at
all, but the spacer material to offset the brackets had worn in. Once I
tightened this all up and repacked my bearings, I only have occasional
shudder during various taxi scenarios. Don't know which side is the
culprit, or if it is both. I also found the nylock nuts on the wheels
themselves to be loose. I assume with the heat from braking being
transferred to the wheels the nylon became hard and began to fail. I
upgraded the wheel half nuts to all metal to hopefully stop them from
backing off.
Thane states
220TT
RV-10
----- Original Message -----
*From:* John Zazulka
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out
antisplataero.com <http://antisplataero.com> maybe try new bearings
on the mains. The site looks very interesting. I dont know if will
help but check it out. John Z
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt
> wrote:
I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from
40 -60 psi with no change.
I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and
back.
-Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib > wrote:
> I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable
> difference. I changed to the Desser retreads with leak guard
> tubes when the original Van's tires were worn out. Again, no
> noticeable change. I have balanced carefully, but makes no
> difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and it
> goes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more noticeable
> when braking hard on landing, but no real repeatable set of
> conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at all. Video camera
> on the belly of the airplane confirmed right main gear is the
> culprit on my airplane.
>
> David Maib
> RV-10 Transition Trainer
> 40559
>
> On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com
> wrote:
>
> just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys
> running in your mains? Also do you still have the original
> vans tires?
>
> Dean
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Here you go.
http://www.planearound.com/TWO-WHEEL-FAIRING-BRACKET-SPACERS-FOR-RV-10-WFSPCR.htm
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM, pilotdds wrote:
> I didnt see the spacer on there website but it sounds like a good idea it
> seems I have to snug the nuts at each annual.Any advice about bahamas we
> are leaving next week sac fxe georgetown.-thanks Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
thanks- ordered
-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 10:36 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
Here you go.
http://www.planearound.com/TWO-WHEEL-FAIRING-BRACKET-SPACERS-FOR-RV-10-WFSP
CR.htm
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM, pilotdds wrote:
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
Here is the DIY version, courtesy of Tim (as seemed to be the norm back
in my days) http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20101107/index.html
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
Here you go.
http://www.planearound.com/TWO-WHEEL-FAIRING-BRACKET-SPACERS-FOR-RV-10-WF
SPCR.htm
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM, pilotdds wrote:
I didnt see the spacer on there website but it sounds like a good idea
it seems I have to snug the nuts at each annual.Any advice about bahamas
we are leaving next week sac fxe georgetown.-thanks Jim
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| Subject: | Re: SL30 problems in Phoenix - now I'm back in NC looking |
for a
| From: | Etandrews <etandrews(at)westnet.com.au> |
Hi Bill
I sent to garmin for repair. The COMS board had failed and needed replacing.
Turn around time was about 2 weeks
Evan
Sent from my iPad
On 23/05/2012, at 11:38 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> What did you do in terms of getting it fixed? What was the diagnosis?
>
> Bill
>
> On 5/23/2012 3:00 AM, Etandrews wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Etandrews
>>
>> My SL30 failed recently - could not transmit or receive. The casing was alot
hotter than normal after 30mins use and there was a noticeable burnt electronics
smell from the back plugs.
>>
>> Evan Andrews
>> VH-OSH flying
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 22/05/2012, at 3:53 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>>>
>>> Personally, my advice would be to either have a shop bench
>>> test it, or take your SL-30 and put it in a known-good
>>> airplane that uses an SL-30. If your SL-30 was somehow
>>> blown up by a wiring issue or some other component in your
>>> plane, it would really make you feel bad to take a fellow
>>> RV'ers SL-30 and blow theirs up too. But to pull yours
>>> and stick it into someone elses known-good tray, you'd
>>> probably not be risking much.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2012 11:47 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob
>>>> Turner"
>>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I think there's an easy test for the PMA9000, IF the SL-30 is wired
>>>> as the #1 com. Just turn it off (push on the volume control knob).
>>>> The audio panel is "fail safe" and should provide a direct connection
>>>> between the #1 com and the pilot's headset (pilot only, and left ear
>>>> only if stereo).
>>>>
>>>> I'm on the wrong coast, or I'd offer to swap my SL-30. If you can
>>>> find one that's certainly the easiest test. If you can't find one to
>>>> borrow, you can consider the following:
>>>>
>>>> The "fail safe" test on the audio panel doesn't check the wiring. I'd
>>>> pull both the SL-30 and the audio panel. Get out the schematics and
>>>> figure out what pins carry the audio signals between the units. Use
>>>> an ohmmeter with long probes to reach back to the pins and check
>>>> continuity, both "high" and "low" side of the audio lines.
>>>>
>>>> Does the VOR side of the SL-30 work? If so, just swap the coax on the
>>>> back (not so easy, I know). Connect the VOR antenna to the com
>>>> antenna input, and vice versa. Does the VOR now not work, and does
>>>> the com now receive? If the answer is yes, then the problem is in the
>>>> com coax or the antenna. If no, it's the SL-30 itself (assuming
>>>> you've ruled out the audio panel and audio wiring).
>>>>
>>>> -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373493#373493
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Matco Front Wheel and Desser Stem |
I was putting the front wheel together today. I have the Matco nose
wheel and Desser 500-5 tube with the TR-67 stem as recommended by many
others.
Where the stem goes through the rim, there are not enough threads to use
the locking nut to secure the stem to the rim. I've seen other pictures
where the locking nut is not even used. Has that been ok to skip?
Thanks,
-Sean #40303 (Prepping to put her on her legs)
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Front Wheel and Desser Stem |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
I have just had mine stuck through the hole, but I'm not happy with it
either. Its something on my punch list before I go fly. But I sure don't
like the way the valve comes through the opening and is completely
unsecured.
Phil
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> I was putting the front wheel together today. I have the Matco nose wheel
> and Desser 500-5 tube with the TR-67 stem as recommended by many others.
>
> Where the stem goes through the rim, there are not enough threads to use
> the locking nut to secure the stem to the rim. I've seen other pictures
> where the locking nut is not even used. Has that been ok to skip?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Sean #40303 (Prepping to put her on her legs)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> |
I installed Sean's spacers 2 years ago and that eliminated main wheel shudder for
me and the Matco axle on the nose eliminated that one.
For 2 ACIs in a row now, I have not had to re-torque the nose wheel either!
grumpy
N184JM
On May 23, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Sean at Planearound.com makes a great replacement spacer
> that will get rid of the slop permanently. Now that you've
> tightened it up again, it will be OK for a while but eventually
> will wear further and further until finally the hole is worn
> thru and you need to replace the whole large bracket, so it's
> probably worth checking into another option rather than
> just retorquing.
> Tim
>
> On 5/23/2012 7:56 AM, Thane States wrote:
>> On my last conditional, I found, of course some wear in on the main
>> bearings. But I also found that both main wheel pant brackets had
>> excessive slop in the mounting hardware. The nuts had not loosened at
>> all, but the spacer material to offset the brackets had worn in. Once I
>> tightened this all up and repacked my bearings, I only have occasional
>> shudder during various taxi scenarios. Don't know which side is the
>> culprit, or if it is both. I also found the nylock nuts on the wheels
>> themselves to be loose. I assume with the heat from braking being
>> transferred to the wheels the nylon became hard and began to fail. I
>> upgraded the wheel half nuts to all metal to hopefully stop them from
>> backing off.
>> Thane states
>> 220TT
>> RV-10
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* John Zazulka
>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:33 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
>>
>> Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out
>> antisplataero.com <http://antisplataero.com> maybe try new bearings
>> on the mains. The site looks very interesting. I dont know if will
>> help but check it out. John Z
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from
>> 40 -60 psi with no change.
>> I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and
>> back.
>> -Scott
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib > > wrote:
>>
>>> I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable
>>> difference. I changed to the Desser retreads with leak guard
>>> tubes when the original Van's tires were worn out. Again, no
>>> noticeable change. I have balanced carefully, but makes no
>>> difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and it
>>> goes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more noticeable
>>> when braking hard on landing, but no real repeatable set of
>>> conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at all. Video camera
>>> on the belly of the airplane confirmed right main gear is the
>>> culprit on my airplane.
>>>
>>> David Maib
>>> RV-10 Transition Trainer
>>> 40559
>>>
>>> On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys
>>> running in your mains? Also do you still have the original
>>> vans tires?
>>>
>>> Dean
>>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main gear shudder revisited |
| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Guys, all this talk about the main gear and the Matco front wheel has me
thinking. Where do I buy the front wheel and axle? Are Matco and ACS the
only retailers? Obviously PlaneAround for the wheel pant spacers. Thx.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Miller John wrote:
>
> I installed Sean's spacers 2 years ago and that eliminated main wheel
> shudder for me and the Matco axle on the nose eliminated that one.
>
> For 2 ACIs in a row now, I have not had to re-torque the nose wheel either!
>
> grumpy
> N184JM
>
> On May 23, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> >
> > Sean at Planearound.com makes a great replacement spacer
> > that will get rid of the slop permanently. Now that you've
> > tightened it up again, it will be OK for a while but eventually
> > will wear further and further until finally the hole is worn
> > thru and you need to replace the whole large bracket, so it's
> > probably worth checking into another option rather than
> > just retorquing.
> > Tim
> >
> > On 5/23/2012 7:56 AM, Thane States wrote:
> >> On my last conditional, I found, of course some wear in on the main
> >> bearings. But I also found that both main wheel pant brackets had
> >> excessive slop in the mounting hardware. The nuts had not loosened at
> >> all, but the spacer material to offset the brackets had worn in. Once I
> >> tightened this all up and repacked my bearings, I only have occasional
> >> shudder during various taxi scenarios. Don't know which side is the
> >> culprit, or if it is both. I also found the nylock nuts on the wheels
> >> themselves to be loose. I assume with the heat from braking being
> >> transferred to the wheels the nylon became hard and began to fail. I
> >> upgraded the wheel half nuts to all metal to hopefully stop them from
> >> backing off.
> >> Thane states
> >> 220TT
> >> RV-10
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* John Zazulka
> >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:33 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear shudder revisited
> >>
> >> Scott, I dont know or if have heard of this already but check out
> >> antisplataero.com <http://antisplataero.com> maybe try new bearings
> >> on the mains. The site looks very interesting. I dont know if will
> >> help but check it out. John Z
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Scott Schmidt
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I have tried three different types of tires and have gone from
> >> 40 -60 psi with no change.
> >> I am convinced the only fix is to stiffen the gear forward and
> >> back.
> >> -Scott
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On May 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, David Maib >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've tried everything from 40 to 50 psi with no noticeable
> >>> difference. I changed to the Desser retreads with leak guard
> >>> tubes when the original Van's tires were worn out. Again, no
> >>> noticeable change. I have balanced carefully, but makes no
> >>> difference. I get a shake starting at about 15 knots GS and it
> >>> goes away at about 18 or 19 knots. Seems a bit more noticeable
> >>> when braking hard on landing, but no real repeatable set of
> >>> conditions. Sometimes, it doesn't shake at all. Video camera
> >>> on the belly of the airplane confirmed right main gear is the
> >>> culprit on my airplane.
> >>>
> >>> David Maib
> >>> RV-10 Transition Trainer
> >>> 40559
> >>>
> >>> On May 22, 2012, at 1:24 AM, ddddsp1(at)juno.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> just curious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what air pressure you guys
> >>> running in your mains? Also do you still have the original
> >>> vans tires?
> >>>
> >>> Dean
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Bendix S1200 Mags |
| From: | larson36(at)aol.com |
Has anyone installed the Bendix S1200 Mags on the 540 engine? I am concern
ed about whether or not there is enough clearance between the engine rear a
nd the fire wall to accommodate the physically larger mag.
Larry Klein 40206
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| Subject: | GRT Panel Layout |
| From: | Nikolaos Napoli <napolin(at)me.com> |
Here is my final panel configuration. I should be cutting metal this weekend.
Any comment or thoughts appreciated
Thanks
Niko
Nikolaos Napoli
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| From: | "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | GRT Panel Layout |
A couple of general comments.
Is there enough room for the left panel..top left corner..considering ribs,
etc. Looks a little close
The switches across the bottom of the panel. If any of them are critical,
than you will need some type of switch guard. Because, in turbulence, you
reach for one of the buttons on the bottom, you hit a bump and your hand
gets pulled down and turns off the switch..ask me how I know....IPC, in a
hold and I turned off my GRT..well I got some good practice flying on my
backup instruments..
Looks great to me.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nikolaos Napoli
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: GRT Panel Layout
Here is my final panel configuration. I should be cutting metal this
weekend.
April 30, 2012 - May 24, 2012
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