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From: Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/08/12
Date: Jun 09, 2012
Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 3:00 AM, RV10-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV10-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV10-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 12-06-08&Archive=RV10 > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 12-06-08&Archive=RV10 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV10-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 06/08/12: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 07:25 AM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (John MacCallum) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals > From: John MacCallum <john.maccallum(at)bigpond.com> > > Hi Carl, > Can you show us photo of your install? > > John Maccallum > 41016 > VH-DUU > > Sent from my iPad > > On 05/06/2012, at 11:39, "Carl Froehlich" wrote > : > >> This is what I used from McMaster. Easy on and seals well. I put them on > the door, not the frame. I also used some semi ridged foam to fill in the d > oor hinge recess so that this seal just goes over it around the perimeter of > the door. >> >> 1 >> 93085K11 >> Adhesive Back Foam Rubber Bulb Seal, 3/8" Overall Width, 7/16" Overall Hei > ght, 3/16" ID, 20' L >> 20 >> feet >> in the morning >> 0.54 >> per foot >> 10.80 >> You need 30 feet. >> Carl >> RV-10 (6 hours) >> RV-8A (800 hours) >> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ > matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen >> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:51 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals >> >> After much consideration, I've decided that on my pink canopy I don't choo > se to remove that full radius, because of the implications to reducing stren > gth of the door post. I also did not want to do the huge amount of build up a > nd sanding that would be required to make the door sill uniform enough for a > n even sealing edge with the door. So I will try the seal that Alex D sells. > >> >> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:59 AM, egodfrey(at)ameritech.net h.net> wrote: > ech.net> >> >> Could anyone tell me where to get a copy of Les' document? I am at that st > age and would like to do the research necessary. Thanks. >> >> Ed Godfrey >> 40717 >> >> On 4/9/2012 7:48 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: >> >> I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off > the entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 > inch bulb seals he used. >> >> I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I d > o, there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch a > nd seal against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door wou > ld be too large. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ======================== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ======================== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========= >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ======================== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> > ========================= > ======== > ========================= > ======== > ========================= > ======== > ========================= > ======== >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 10, 2012
From: curtis groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: oil analysis report
Thought you all would get a grin on the last three sentences from the comme nt section of the oil analysis report I got back last week (and not to get puffed up but to be thankful for the blessings we have).=0A"Not much change to report compared to last time and that's a good thing. -If it isn't br oke, don't fix it. -This IO-540 is making a lot less wear after 40 hours than we see from most engines of this type after only 35 hours, which is wh at our averages are based on.. That's probably a mixture of frequent/carefu l flying and excellent cooling. -For some reason, most engines look bette r in a-=0ARV frame. -Of course most pilots do too. -Go out and have f un."=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: bahamas
From: pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2012
Had a great trip to long island bahamas from stockton california in the 10 -what a great cross country machine -Don thanks for sharing your beautiful home and your hospitality. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 11, 2012
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: bahamas
The Bahamas is NOT a fun place to go. Please don't tell people it was a fun place to go. (This is being said because I want to go back there within the next 12 months and it's getting harder and harder to find availability because too many darn people found out about it and are filling up all the rooms!) So from now on I'm going to keep the Bahamas a secret so that I can always get my chance to go back. :) Tim On 6/11/2012 7:53 AM, pilotdds wrote: > Had a great trip to long island bahamas from stockton california in the > 10-what a great cross country machine -Don thanks for sharing your > beautiful home and your hospitality. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 11, 2012
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: bahamas
Ditto on that Tim.- We were fortunate to spend about 3 months there on ou r catamaran.- Which is also where we were when I thought it might be a gr eat idea to build an airplane!- SSSSOOOOO, I got a call last night from a fellow airpark neighbor saying that there were 2 RV10's just added to an A laska trip he's going on.... he mentioned the names.... no big surprise her e.... have a great time Tim.... the guy here is Steve Wilson,,, he'll be fl ying his Swift.=0ADon McDonald=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Mo nday, June 11, 2012 9:24 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: bahamas=0A =0A--> RV 10-List message posted by: Tim Olson =0A=0AThe Bahamas is N OT a fun place to go.- Please don't tell people=0Ait was a fun place to g o.=0A=0A(This is being said because I want to go back there within=0Athe ne xt 12 months and it's getting harder and harder to=0Afind availability beca use too many darn people found out about=0Ait and are filling up all the ro oms!)=0A=0ASo from now on I'm going to keep the Bahamas a secret so that=0A I can always get my chance to go back. :)=0A=0ATim=0A=0A=0AOn 6/11/2012 7:5 3 AM, pilotdds wrote:=0A> Had- a great trip to long island bahamas from s tockton california in the=0A> 10-what a great cross country machine -Don th ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Slick Mag Problem
Date: Jun 11, 2012
I had previously reported having a Slick mag problem on my RV-10 while at Albany, OR. The problem turned out to be a bad set of points - looked like the point was not crimped onto the spring arm as it should have been. After we borrowed a set of points from another mag, it still didn't work so we also borrowed the coil. That did the trick. Flew home with the mag working better than ever, smoother and less mag drop than before. I informed Aircraft Spruce, they contacted Champion Aerospace (Slick) and, because I had to make repairs on a holiday weekend with no other maintenance options, replaced the points and coil under warranty. I have to tell you that I like dealing with aviation people. The guys at Albany were quick to offer a hand to a stranded pilot and Slick was understanding that the normal avenue of repair was not available. Maybe aviation people should run the world - or at least show how it should be run. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Parts for sale
Date: Jun 11, 2012
All, Cleaning off the shelf now that the plane is flying. A few things I'd like to sell: 1. Niagara 20006A oil cooler (Van's part #EA OIL COOLER 20006A). New in the box from Van's, still in bubble wrap. Van's price $393.50. My price $300 plus shipping. 2. Throttle/Mixture cable bracket (Van's part # VA-182-PC KIT). New in the bag. Van's price $23.50, my price $18 plus shipping. 3. Throttle cable (Van's part # CT BLK THROTTLE 47.5), Fitted once but then removed. Van's price $62.50, my price $45 plus shipping. Carl ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: OSH 2012 RV-10 Group Camping
From: "bcondrey" <condreyb(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2012
After facilitating this for a few years and then taking last year off, my wife has convinced me to do an RV-10 group camping area in Camp Scholler again for those interested. We skipped last year because it just became too much work however EAA has made a few changes that should mitigate that. As in the past I will stake out sites on Tuesday (7/17 this year) the week prior to the show starting. It's done this early simply because we like the close proximity to the show, entry gates, showers, etc. Camp sites are "staked out" and marked off at that time and MUST have a registration tag. If a site doesn't have a registration tag the EAA security patrol will remove the stakes and marking tape. In order to keep the workload to a minimum, I'm going to do things a bit different than prior years however the net result should be the same. So, here's the deal: - Instead of making payment to me you'll pay EAA direct. They now allow for specifying any arrival date (change from the past). There's a link at the bottom of this page to make payment http://airventure.org/planning/advance_camp.html. Cost this year is $24/night and EAA charges from the first night you're registered through the end of the show (including Sunday night). If you leave early you get a refund for unused nights. - I will spend a couple hours the morning of 7/17 staking out and marking sites. If you pay for a different start date please plan for somebody else to stake out your site. - You'll need to email me your info (EAA # and name) after you've made payment so I can build the list. I'll go get the site tags from the EAA folks for those on my list. - All info/credentials will be left with the EAA except for the site tags. That means when you come in you can just go through the express registration gate and pick them up - no need to call me to come meet you at the gate. I'll send an email out to those on my list Tuesday 7/17 after the sites are staked out so you know where we'll be. - If you're flying in and will be camping with us I'll pick up your entire credential package so you won't have to make your way to the entry gate. If you've never camped with us, we generally will be in the area of 55th and Lindbergh in Camp Scholler which is about a 5 minute walk to either the FlyMarket or Theater in the Woods gates. The camp store and a shower building are across from the FlyMarket entry gate, so about a 5 minute walk to those also. For the airshows we walk straight east across Knapp St. and onto the airfield. It's about a 10 minute walk to the flightline from our campsites. http://airventure.org/images/av11_schollermap.jpg No more details available yet but several people have contacted me offline and I've told everybody that I'd post something in June if I was going to do something, so here it is! Much of the workload in prior years came from dealing with the money, trying to get all the necessary info from people and dealing with getting people their credentials upon arrival. Now that EAA put into place a way for people to prepay starting on any day it should aleviate most of the workload. It's great to have our group together, more people need to help carry the load for events like this. Speaking of which, one person that contacted me offline volunteered to put together a group dinner one night... Here's a link to Tim's website where he's accumulated a lot of info on our group camping from past years. Except for the payment and arrival procedures, most of the rest of it should still be valid: http://www.myrv10.com/osh/ Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375337#375337 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: : broken pilot step
Date: Jun 11, 2012
This was actually discussed in the past and you should be able to find some references in the archives. Solution was a combination of beefing up the welds and putting on an access panel. My welds were seriously lacking and I re-TIG'd them. Michael Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:11 AM, "Etandrews" wrote: > > Everyone > > I have had a broken pilots step after approximately 200hrs flying. I noticed a minor crack in the paint above the top weld where the upright section of the step connected to the horizontal fuselage section. Later that day when alighting the step it failed. The weld appeared almost non existent. It may be worth inspecting your own steps for signs of failure. I am planning to install an inspection hatch to access the step anchor bolt along with a new step. > > Kind regards > > Evan Andrews > VH-OSH Australia flying > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Etandrews <etandrews(at)westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: : broken pilot step
Date: Jun 12, 2012
Thanks Michael, My wife reminded me of the earlier step failure posts! I cut the hole for the inspection panel in the weekend and removed the internal anchor portion of the step. I was thinking that for builders installing the step that it may be worthwhile considering to install the securing bolt for the step in the horizontal rather than vertical position. This would aid removal of the bolt with the inspection hatch out from the side panel. Regards Evan Sent from my iPad On 12/06/2012, at 7:00 AM, Michael Sausen wrote: > > This was actually discussed in the past and you should be able to find some references in the archives. > > Solution was a combination of beefing up the welds and putting on an access panel. My welds were seriously lacking and I re-TIG'd them. > > Michael > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:11 AM, "Etandrews" wrote: > >> >> Everyone >> >> I have had a broken pilots step after approximately 200hrs flying. I noticed a minor crack in the paint above the top weld where the upright section of the step connected to the horizontal fuselage section. Later that day when alighting the step it failed. The weld appeared almost non existent. It may be worth inspecting your own steps for signs of failure. I am planning to install an inspection hatch to access the step anchor bolt along with a new step. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Evan Andrews >> VH-OSH Australia flying >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Etandrews <etandrews(at)westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: : broken pilot step
Date: Jun 12, 2012
Thanks Michael, My wife reminded me of the earlier step failure posts! I cut the hole for the inspection panel in the weekend and removed the internal anchor portion of the step. I was thinking that for builders installing the step that it may be worthwhile considering to install the securing bolt for the step in the horizontal rather than vertical position. This would aid removal of the bolt with the inspection hatch out from the side panel. Regards Evan Sent from my iPad On 12/06/2012, at 7:00 AM, Michael Sausen wrote: > > This was actually discussed in the past and you should be able to find some references in the archives. > > Solution was a combination of beefing up the welds and putting on an access panel. My welds were seriously lacking and I re-TIG'd them. > > Michael > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:11 AM, "Etandrews" wrote: > >> >> Everyone >> >> I have had a broken pilots step after approximately 200hrs flying. I noticed a minor crack in the paint above the top weld where the upright section of the step connected to the horizontal fuselage section. Later that day when alighting the step it failed. The weld appeared almost non existent. It may be worth inspecting your own steps for signs of failure. I am planning to install an inspection hatch to access the step anchor bolt along with a new step. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Evan Andrews >> VH-OSH Australia flying >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fuel filter inspection
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 11, 2012
Do people check the screen in the fuel servo? I have the Precision Airmotive EX-5 and their instructions say to clean it "... Only if contamination is suspected...". Not sure how you suspect without looking? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375354#375354 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: fuel filter inspection
Date: Jun 12, 2012
The Precision guys just did a presentation at our local EAA meeting. He stated that the filter should be cleaned each inspection. I have not cleaned mine in the past 4 years, I have added it to my inspection checklist for next year. When I originally built the airplane, I flushed the tanks, etc, all the way up to servo. Pumped >30 gallons through the system before I ever connected the hose to the servo. Will have to see if anything ever made it to the servo when I do my next inspection. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 9:27 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: fuel filter inspection Do people check the screen in the fuel servo? I have the Precision Airmotive EX-5 and their instructions say to clean it "... Only if contamination is suspected...". Not sure how you suspect without looking? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375354#375354 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: : broken pilot step
Date: Jun 12, 2012
There are a couple other things people have done around the step. One is to put a block of Al or wood in it where the bolt goes to keep it from crushing and thereby loosening. The other is to use a self locking SS pin that allows for easy removal. I only have to push a button on the top of the pin to remove it. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:52 PM, "Etandrews" wrote: > > Thanks Michael, > > My wife reminded me of the earlier step failure posts! > > I cut the hole for the inspection panel in the weekend and removed the internal anchor portion of the step. I was thinking that for builders installing the step that it may be worthwhile considering to install the securing bolt for the step in the horizontal rather than vertical position. This would aid removal of the bolt with the inspection hatch out from the side panel. > > Regards > > Evan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 12/06/2012, at 7:00 AM, Michael Sausen wrote: > >> >> This was actually discussed in the past and you should be able to find some references in the archives. >> >> Solution was a combination of beefing up the welds and putting on an access panel. My welds were seriously lacking and I re-TIG'd them. >> >> Michael >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:11 AM, "Etandrews" wrote: >> >>> >>> Everyone >>> >>> I have had a broken pilots step after approximately 200hrs flying. I noticed a minor crack in the paint above the top weld where the upright section of the step connected to the horizontal fuselage section. Later that day when alighting the step it failed. The weld appeared almost non existent. It may be worth inspecting your own steps for signs of failure. I am planning to install an inspection hatch to access the step anchor bolt along with a new step. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Evan Andrews >>> VH-OSH Australia flying >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bahamas
From: pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 12, 2012
Tim,we are actually going to Alaska next June (2013). My flying partner has some connections there for fishing and other activities. I will be interes ted to read your write ups as they are always entertaining and informative. If any other RV flyers would like to join us we would welcome them. I am c urious what the difficulties you are encountering planning the flight to Al aska involve. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: bahamas That's right! For a while I thought I'd have to do it in 013. Turns out getting things organized is a bunch more ime consuming than I thought, and you have to plan arther ahead than I usually do. But, when a spot opened p we quick jumped on it, so now I'm headed there shortly! ure is a harder trip to plan out than the islands...but t's gonna be great! Will let you know how it goes! Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD o not archive On 6/11/2012 10:15 AM, Don McDonald wrote: Ditto on that Tim. We were fortunate to spend about 3 months there on our catamaran. Which is also where we were when I thought it might be a great idea to build an airplane! SSSSOOOOO, I got a call last night from a fellow airpark neighbor saying that there were 2 RV10's just added to an Alaska trip he's going on.... he mentioned the names.... no big surprise here.... have a great time Tim.... the guy here is Steve Wilson,,, he'll be flying his Swift. Don McDonald *From:* Tim Olson *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 9:24 AM *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: bahamas > The Bahamas is NOT a fun place to go. Please don't tell people it was a fun place to go. (This is being said because I want to go back there within the next 12 months and it's getting harder and harder to find availability because too many darn people found out about it and are filling up all the rooms!) So from now on I'm going to keep the Bahamas a secret so that I can always get my chance to go back. :) Tim On 6/11/2012 7:53 AM, pilotdds wrote: > Had a great trip to long island bahamas from stockton california in th e > 10-what a great cross country machine -Don thanks for sharing your > beautiful home and your hospitality.bsp; * * -======================== -= - The RV10-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JimVillani" <Jim(at)JimVillani.com>
Subject: : broken pilot step
Date: Jun 12, 2012
What's the "Pin" look like? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sausen Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:42 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: : broken pilot step There are a couple other things people have done around the step. One is to put a block of Al or wood in it where the bolt goes to keep it from crushing and thereby loosening. The other is to use a self locking SS pin that allows for easy removal. I only have to push a button on the top of the pin to remove it. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:52 PM, "Etandrews" wrote: > > Thanks Michael, > > My wife reminded me of the earlier step failure posts! > > I cut the hole for the inspection panel in the weekend and removed the internal anchor portion of the step. I was thinking that for builders installing the step that it may be worthwhile considering to install the securing bolt for the step in the horizontal rather than vertical position. This would aid removal of the bolt with the inspection hatch out from the side panel. > > Regards > > Evan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 12/06/2012, at 7:00 AM, Michael Sausen wrote: > >> >> This was actually discussed in the past and you should be able to find some references in the archives. >> >> Solution was a combination of beefing up the welds and putting on an access panel. My welds were seriously lacking and I re-TIG'd them. >> >> Michael >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:11 AM, "Etandrews" wrote: >> >>> --> >>> >>> Everyone >>> >>> I have had a broken pilots step after approximately 200hrs flying. I noticed a minor crack in the paint above the top weld where the upright section of the step connected to the horizontal fuselage section. Later that day when alighting the step it failed. The weld appeared almost non existent. It may be worth inspecting your own steps for signs of failure. I am planning to install an inspection hatch to access the step anchor bolt along with a new step. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Evan Andrews >>> VH-OSH Australia flying >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 12, 2012
Subject: Re: : broken pilot step
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Michael, Where did you purchase these pins? Shannon On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Michael Sausen wrote: > > There are a couple other things people have done around the step. One is > to put a block of Al or wood in it where the bolt goes to keep it from > crushing and thereby loosening. The other is to use a self locking SS pin > that allows for easy removal. I only have to push a button on the top of > the pin to remove it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:52 PM, "Etandrews" wrote: > > > > > Thanks Michael, > > > > My wife reminded me of the earlier step failure posts! > > > > I cut the hole for the inspection panel in the weekend and removed the > internal anchor portion of the step. I was thinking that for builders > installing the step that it may be worthwhile considering to install the > securing bolt for the step in the horizontal rather than vertical position. > This would aid removal of the bolt with the inspection hatch out from > the side panel. > > > > Regards > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 12/06/2012, at 7:00 AM, Michael Sausen wrote: > > > >> > >> This was actually discussed in the past and you should be able to find > some references in the archives. > >> > >> Solution was a combination of beefing up the welds and putting on an > access panel. My welds were seriously lacking and I re-TIG'd them. > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:11 AM, "Etandrews" > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Everyone > >>> > >>> I have had a broken pilots step after approximately 200hrs flying. I > noticed a minor crack in the paint above the top weld where the upright > section of the step connected to the horizontal fuselage section. Later > that day when alighting the step it failed. The weld appeared almost non > existent. It may be worth inspecting your own steps for signs of failure. > I am planning to install an inspection hatch to access the step anchor > bolt along with a new step. > >>> > >>> Kind regards > >>> > >>> Evan Andrews > >>> VH-OSH Australia flying > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: : broken pilot step
Date: Jun 12, 2012
I would have to find it but I got it from McMaster. Looks like a hitch pin with a button that releases a little ball on the bottom that allows insertion/removal. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2012, at 8:58 AM, "JimVillani" wrote: > > What's the "Pin" look like? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sausen > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:42 AM > To: > Subject: Re: RV10-List: : broken pilot step > > > There are a couple other things people have done around the step. One is to > put a block of Al or wood in it where the bolt goes to keep it from crushing > and thereby loosening. The other is to use a self locking SS pin that allows > for easy removal. I only have to push a button on the top of the pin to > remove it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:52 PM, "Etandrews" wrote: > >> >> Thanks Michael, >> >> My wife reminded me of the earlier step failure posts! >> >> I cut the hole for the inspection panel in the weekend and removed the > internal anchor portion of the step. I was thinking that for builders > installing the step that it may be worthwhile considering to install the > securing bolt for the step in the horizontal rather than vertical position. > This would aid removal of the bolt with the inspection hatch out from the > side panel. >> >> Regards >> >> Evan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 12/06/2012, at 7:00 AM, Michael Sausen wrote: >> >>> >>> This was actually discussed in the past and you should be able to find > some references in the archives. >>> >>> Solution was a combination of beefing up the welds and putting on an > access panel. My welds were seriously lacking and I re-TIG'd them. >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:11 AM, "Etandrews" wrote: >>> >>>> --> >>>> >>>> Everyone >>>> >>>> I have had a broken pilots step after approximately 200hrs flying. I > noticed a minor crack in the paint above the top weld where the upright > section of the step connected to the horizontal fuselage section. Later > that day when alighting the step it failed. The weld appeared almost non > existent. It may be worth inspecting your own steps for signs of failure. > I am planning to install an inspection hatch to access the step anchor bolt > along with a new step. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Evan Andrews >>>> VH-OSH Australia flying >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 12, 2012
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: bahamas
Having learned to fly in Alaska, flying there for nearly 20 yrs and then flying down the Alaska Highway to the lower 48, I wrote Tim privately on a few of the issues. Canadian charts take some effort to obtain, I imagine database support for some EFIS varieties may pose a challenge. Physically, a significant percentage of runways are not paved, and may have gravel, dirt or other surfaces. Wheel pants tend to get abused in such circumstances, and few aircraft in Alaska use wheel pants. One can stick to paved runways, but it will limit where you can go. I've seen at least one RV-10 with 6:00X6 tires, which appeared to fit fine and gave the wheel pants a little extra clearance over the stock low profile tires. However, that size won't fit the nose. Fuel range is always important because some destinations may not have fuel, or it may be priced more than double normal prices. Weather reporting scattered, and you have to be able to make decisions from what you see in the air. Icing tends to be an issue in clouds near the typical MEAs. Just because it is summer doesn't eliminate icing potential. There is enough terrain obstacles to make pushing weather a bad idea. Rules regarding night flying and VFR on top are different in Canada. There are good resources on the net and with AOPA for information, but there are subtle differences that need to be heeded. Survival kit requirements differ between Alaska and Canada, and need to be carefully thought out with your own camping/fishing/hunting/survival skills or lack thereof. Freeze dried food that is well packaged is a good choice. Survival kits will impact baggage space/wt limits. In summary, very doable, wonderful place to visit, but the more planning and knowledge gathering you can do, the easier a trip you will have. Kelly On 6/12/2012 6:45 AM, pilotdds wrote: > Tim,we are actually going to Alaska next June (2013). My flying > partner has some connections there for fishing and other activities. I > will be interested to read your write ups as they are always > entertaining and informative. If any other RV flyers would like to > join us we would welcome them. I am curious what the difficulties you > are encountering planning the flight to Alaska involve. > Jim > > > - ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: : broken pilot step
Date: Jun 12, 2012
From: "George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil>
This weak step issue is not confined to the RV-10. I've had the step fail on my Cherokee, too. Yes, it's mounted differently, but suffers the same abuse and failure mode. I've taken to briefing every individual who approaches the airplane with the intention of climbing on the wing: "It's an aide, not a launching pad. Grab the handle with your left hand and PLACE your foot on the step, then stand up - don't stomp on it." Likewise for exiting the aircraft: "It's not a landing pad. Turn around, grab the handle, PLACE your foot on the step, then transfer your weight and step off. If you're not agile enough for that, sit down and scoot off the wing." It's not the weight that breaks the steps. It's the force of folks stomping on and striding off the wing. Neal -----Original Message----- This was actually discussed in the past and you should be able to find some references in the archives. Solution was a combination of beefing up the welds and putting on an access panel. My welds were seriously lacking and I re-TIG'd them. Michael On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:11 AM, "Etandrews" wrote: > Everyone > > I have had a broken pilots step after approximately 200hrs flying. I noticed a minor crack in the paint above the top weld where the upright section of the step connected to the horizontal fuselage section. Later that day when alighting the step it failed. The weld appeared almost non existent. It may be worth inspecting your own steps for signs of failure. I am planning to install an inspection hatch to access the step anchor bolt along with a new step. > > Kind regards > > Evan Andrews > VH-OSH Australia flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: : broken pilot step
Date: Jun 12, 2012
Amen! "Standard" pilots weigh about 170# so when 240# pilots like me climb on the wing caution MUST be exercised! Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:12 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: : broken pilot step > This weak step issue is not confined to the RV-10. I've had the step fail on my Cherokee, too. Yes, it's mounted differently, but suffers the same abuse and failure mode. I've taken to briefing every individual who approaches the airplane with the intention of climbing on the wing: "It's an aide, not a launching pad. Grab the handle with your left hand and PLACE your foot on the step, then stand up - don't stomp on it." Likewise for exiting the aircraft: "It's not a landing pad. Turn around, grab the handle, PLACE your foot on the step, then transfer your weight and step off. If you're not agile enough for that, sit down and scoot off the wing." It's not the weight that breaks the steps. It's the force of folks stomping on and striding off the wing. Neal -----Original Message----- > This was actually discussed in the past and you should be able to find some references in the archives. Solution was a combination of beefing up the welds and putting on an access panel. My welds were seriously lacking and I re-TIG'd them. Michael On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:11 AM, "Etandrews" > wrote: > Everyone > > I have had a broken pilots step after approximately 200hrs flying. I noticed a minor crack in the paint above the top weld where the upright section of the step connected to the horizontal fuselage section. Later that day when alighting the step it failed. The weld appeared almost non existent. It may be worth inspecting your own steps for signs of failure. I am planning to install an inspection hatch to access the step anchor bolt along with a new step. > > Kind regards > > Evan Andrews > VH-OSH Australia flying http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List igator?RV10-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 12, 2012
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Subject: Re: bahamas (should read Alaska)
Kelly hit the point here, I had a few years ago the wonderful experience being able to do that trip with a bunch of Glastar/Sportsman up north and it was including all the mishaps (we did on the way back troubleshoot a Lasar ignition problem and wait for a broken starter shell (still cached my flight home to Switzerland). Have a look at Jeffs video from then http://www.youtube.com/user/MovieMitch watch as well the one named Alaska Runways be careful, do a proper planning, know the limits and don't risk weather anytime and enjoy! Cheers Werner ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 12, 2012
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Subject: Re: bahamas (should read Alaska)
Should have posted the direct links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6umqFbqGqoo&feature=plcp and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGIRe_aLZLw&feature=plcp Werner ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 12, 2012
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas)
Just thought I'd fill in some info... I've been lucky enough to go with the LetsFlyAlaska group that Vic did last year, so a lot of things were made far easier for me by doing that. They fly to paved runways and make all the hotel bookings, get the route plan, with other waypoints, and really just do an exceptional job doing all of the things that take so much time to prepare. Having a day job, and not having been to any of the cities on the route, I was overwhelmed with how I'd even get all the info on the best place to stay (there are some cruddy places from the sounds of it), and how to guarantee reservations...especially when you can't predict the weather and may get stuck. Having them do the planning saved many tens of hours at minimum, and whereas a while ago I was stressing hard about how to get it all figured out, I found that once I got in the group trip, it made it far easier and I can even relax. They provide you with all of the charts, even pre-marked with the planned route. They provide you with all the airport data books that you need, and even a special book that has photos and common procedures for the various airports. Tons of pre-planning info too. Considering I don't plan to fly out to the real back-country, the RV-10 should make the trip with no issue. If it were *my* trip plan, I would have planned longer legs, but by doing it the way they do, they give a great trip flow, with less concern about things like "what if I can't make my next stop due to weather". and "where can I get fuel?" They pre-arrange airport transportation for when you arrive because there ARE no real "FBO's" up there in many places. So it's a lot tougher to do the logistics on ground transportation. The legs are short enough that range in an RV-10 won't be an issue. Fuel will be high priced in some areas, but that's a given. Also, their theory is to do it all VFR. No worries about the Canadian restrictions to VFR on top, and you stay out of the icing in the clouds that you could get IFR. Also gives a better tour of the scenery being under it all. For survival equip, Kelly is right, Canada and Alaska have some pretty different laws. Consider one that in Canada you'd be required to carry an "axe of 2.5lbs or greater with a handle not less than 28 inches" and a Gill net for fishing, among the many other things. One huge benefit of going with the group is that your position is a *known*. If you crash, you crash, but not only will you have your PLB/ELT/Handheld VHF/ and SPOT to signal with, but you'll have some survival gear, and a group of at least 8 or 10 other planes that all are there to keep track of your crash site position and help. This isn't a minor feature of group travel up there. There is no "search" to the "search and recovery". Kelly mentioned to me about chart data and EFIS's. In my case, I have not only the waypoint data but approach and terrain data to cover that region, so I'm good to go. You will have to plan though depending on your EFIS, to get the data for some of that canadian or alaskan space. Also, rumor has it that some 430s/530s are missing some of the waypoints for Canada or other areas, while the 480 has had more. (they found this in the past at least) So I'm good to go with the 480 probably too. Truthfully I'm sure even if you have to manually enter waypoints a 430 would be fine. The terrain data is the big bonus if you can get that. I had been planning to bring a gun, but the Canadian restrictions forbid me to bring what I *want* to bring, which is my 44 Magnum. So, I'd have to pony up for a compact shotgun. Well, when you're with a group of 10-12 planes, you can probably forget that. If I were going alone or in a small group, yeah, add that to the list. I've got the iPad ready with WingX, with Foreflight, and with an Alaskan webcam app that shows all of the web cams for the various airports. Neat stuff for sure. I'm anticipating a really really good vacation. They do a great job feeding you the info you need, and preparing you for the trip, so I'm thrilled that I don't have the stress of having to dig for everything so hard. For me, one huge benefit of the groups plan is that it will allow me to actually ENJOY and FLY Canada and Alaska. I think in an RV-10 with our speed and range, pretty much anyone can "fly to" Alaska. Not a big deal...file a plan, aim at the waypoint, and go, with some potential for re-routing as needed. But after watching Vic's video, I didn't know how in the heck I was going to find my way to see all of the BEST sights, like which glaciers to fly, which mountain passes are the most scenic...in short, what would be the way to have the BEST OVERALL experience...not just a trip to say I got there. The group seems to have that plan figured out pretty well. I'll report back after the trip of course, but for now, it's all looming ahead of me. Once I'm back, a week or so later it's time to get in gear for OSH! We'll see all of you then! Tim On 6/12/2012 9:10 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Having learned to fly in Alaska, flying there for nearly 20 yrs and then > flying down the Alaska Highway to the lower 48, I wrote Tim privately on > a few of the issues. > Canadian charts take some effort to obtain, I imagine database support > for some EFIS varieties may pose a challenge. Physically, a significant > percentage of runways are not paved, and may have gravel, dirt or other > surfaces. Wheel pants tend to get abused in such circumstances, and few > aircraft in Alaska use wheel pants. One can stick to paved runways, but > it will limit where you can go. I've seen at least one RV-10 with 6:00X6 > tires, which appeared to fit fine and gave the wheel pants a little > extra clearance over the stock low profile tires. However, that size > won't fit the nose. > Fuel range is always important because some destinations may not have > fuel, or it may be priced more than double normal prices. Weather > reporting scattered, and you have to be able to make decisions from what > you see in the air. Icing tends to be an issue in clouds near the > typical MEAs. Just because it is summer doesn't eliminate icing > potential. There is enough terrain obstacles to make pushing weather a > bad idea. Rules regarding night flying and VFR on top are different in > Canada. There are good resources on the net and with AOPA for > information, but there are subtle differences that need to be heeded. > Survival kit requirements differ between Alaska and Canada, and need to > be carefully thought out with your own camping/fishing/hunting/survival > skills or lack thereof. Freeze dried food that is well packaged is a > good choice. Survival kits will impact baggage space/wt limits. In > summary, very doable, wonderful place to visit, but the more planning > and knowledge gathering you can do, the easier a trip you will have. > Kelly > > On 6/12/2012 6:45 AM, pilotdds wrote: >> Tim,we are actually going to Alaska next June (2013). My flying >> partner has some connections there for fishing and other activities. I >> will be interested to read your write ups as they are always >> entertaining and informative. If any other RV flyers would like to >> join us we would welcome them. I am curious what the difficulties you >> are encountering planning the flight to Alaska involve. >> Jim >> >> >> - ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 12, 2012
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
Not sure what I mentioned and what I didn't on the list. I did have this write-up from the fall: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20110819/index.html I had a very minor oil leak. You could see oil spots that were so small, they were just pinprick in size on the windshield. They ONLY were on the co-pilot side. Back then, I also had some oil inside my ring gear area, and dripping down hanging from the starter and under my engine a bit. After I did some crankshaft seal work, I have had a constant bit of oil that still gets on my windshield. I did a write-up now for that too, since I FINALLY, after many many days and hours and dollars, found the culprit! http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20120609/index.html Hopefully that will help someone else with a leak. I know talking with Scott, he had identical symptoms within the first 50 hours of operation. Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas)
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 12, 2012
It's been nearly 20 years since I went and it still ranks as the best vacation ever. We'll be going again soon, now that the 10 is finished. I can confirm that Canada is very strict about handguns, not allowed. Other than that, I did not carry a gill net nor a large axe, they didn't seem to care. I did borrow a shotgun and took it with me, no objections to that. Of course you'll have to deal with US customs, harder now than it was then. My advice to anyone going it alone, not in a group, is ....... relax. The weather can turn bad quickly. We deliberately made (almost) no plans. Just took a bunch of guide books, and every day decided, based on our interests, weather, etc., where we were going that day. Or stayed where we were for another day. Or flew to Sitka for deep sea fishing. Or... (you get the idea). The one reservation we did make: The US Forest service had some "cabins" (Quonset Huts) next to dirt strips. Back then it was $25 a night. We went into Heart Lake, east of Yakatat, for 2 great days of relaxing in the wild. True story: from Fairbanks, I called a resort on the Copper River. They had rooms, I made the reservatiion, said we'd be there in a few hours. Almost as an after thought, I asked, "What kind of shape is your (dirt) runway in?". She said, "Oh, don't land there, it's under water.". I said, "I guess I'll cancel that reservation I just made." She said, "Why don't you just land on the road, like everyone else?". It is a different world up there. Have fun, Tim. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375468#375468 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 12, 2012
Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help keep O rings seated. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne Edgerton" <w.edgerton(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Alaska (was bahamas)
Date: Jun 13, 2012
IN 2008 I and another RV10 friend flew through Alaska with the Letsflyalaska group that Vic did last year and Tim will be doing. It was a great trip and really not that difficult because of how well Dale Hemman, the owner, put's everything together for you. Dale also has a kit that you can buy with all the info and charts necessary if you'd rather go it alone vs flying with a group. I think there are advantages to both. During our trip I kept a small blog of each days activities with photos. If you're interested here is a link to my blog. We took a bunch of photos and posted them all at the bottom of the blog pages. http://triptoalaska2008.blogspot.com/search?updated-min 08-05-01T00:0 0:00-05:00&updated-max 08-06-01T00:00:00-05:00&max-results=1 Here is also a link to Dale's web site on flying Alaska with them. http://letsflyalaska.com/ Wayne Edgerton N602WT From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas) Just thought I'd fill in some info... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 13, 2012
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can stall the engine. Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is functioning. Kelly On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help keep O rings seated. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tom Chapman <tomrv4(at)me.com>
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
Date: Jun 13, 2012
Agree with Kelly... I fly a Cirrus, which has a single power lever controlling both throttle a nd prop. Therefore the prop never gets cycled on the ground. To the best o f my knowledge, the props on Cirrus planes do not leak any more than the s tandard setup... Tom=EF=BB On Jun 13, 2012, at 07:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the > engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and > governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than > sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of > normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep > cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can > stall the engine. > Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown > for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is > functioning. > Kelly > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner wr ote: > > > > Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not to o long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said t hey didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help keep O rings seated. > > > > -------- > > Bob Turner > > RV-10 QB > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: Jun 13, 2012
Kelly McMullen wrote: > Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the > engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and > governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than > sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of > normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep > cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can > stall the engine. > Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown > for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is > functioning. > Kelly > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > > > > > > This is exactly what Maxwell Aircraft in Minneapolis told me a few years ago when they overhauled the prop on my Bonanza. They have been overhauling propellers for 45 years and Mr. Maxwell told me that every time he heard someone deep cycling the propeller two, three, or more times before takeoff, he could see the money coming in to his cash register. His advice to me was exactly the same as Kelly's recommendation. > > > > Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help keep O rings seated. > > > > -------- > > Bob Turner > > RV-10 QB > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375527#375527 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
From: "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 13, 2012
This write up was very helpful... My new Hartzell prop had been in the box waiting to be installed for several years. When I took it out, it was obvious that the factory grease had separated as there was oil inside the spinner. I re-greased the prop per the manual and hung it... Several days later there was a thin sheen of oil coming down the inside of one blade. I don't think I over greased, but it's possible. Sounds like a call to Hartzell is in order. Thanks, Jay at the airport finally Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375528#375528 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 13, 2012
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
Kelly; I usually check the prop each time as part of my checklist. I just listen for the slight drop and then go back to fine pitch. You say it is not good for the engine or the prop. Why??? I can understand possibly strain on the bearings maybe, but in less than two minutes, I'm asking the engine for full power for takeoff. I'm trying to figure out if this is one of those "opinions" or what are the facts behind this issue. Thanks Dr Fred. On 6/13/2012 7:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > > Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the > engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and > governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than > sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of > normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep > cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can > stall the engine. > Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown > for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is > functioning. > Kelly > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" >> >> Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help keep O rings seated. >> >> -------- >> Bob Turner >> RV-10 QB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 13, 2012
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I've always cycled it fairly aggressively just to see if I can get oil on the windscreen or the top of the cowling. I figure that if I'm going to blow a seal or discover a leak, I'd rather discover it before my wheels leave the ground. I'm not saying I'm trying to bog the engine down and abusing it, but I'm doing more than simply looking for a slight drop. Phil On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Fred Williams, M.D. < drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com> > > Kelly; > > I usually check the prop each time as part of my checklist. I just listen > for the slight drop and then go back to fine pitch. You say it is not > good for the engine or the prop. Why??? I can understand possibly strain > on the bearings maybe, but in less than two minutes, I'm asking the > engine for full power for takeoff. I'm trying to figure out if this is > one of those "opinions" or what are the facts behind this issue. > > Thanks > > Dr Fred. > > > On 6/13/2012 7:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen >> >> Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the >> engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and >> governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than >> sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of >> normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep >> cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can >> stall the engine. >> Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown >> for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is >> functioning. >> Kelly >> >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner >> wrote: >> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" >>> >>> Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too >>> long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they >>> didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. >>> McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help >>> keep O rings seated. >>> >>> -------- >>> Bob Turner >>> RV-10 QB >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
Date: Jun 13, 2012
After checking mags at 1800 rpm, I reduce rpm to 1400 for the prop check. A&Ps I talk to suggested it. Anyone else doing that? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillip Perry<mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved) I've always cycled it fairly aggressively just to see if I can get oil on the windscreen or the top of the cowling. I figure that if I'm going to blow a seal or discover a leak, I'd rather discover it before my wheels leave the ground. I'm not saying I'm trying to bog the engine down and abusing it, but I'm doing more than simply looking for a slight drop. Phil On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Fred Williams, M.D. > wrote: > Kelly; I usually check the prop each time as part of my checklist. I just listen for the slight drop and then go back to fine pitch. You say it is not good for the engine or the prop. Why??? I can understand possibly strain on the bearings maybe, but in less than two minutes, I'm asking the engine for full power for takeoff. I'm trying to figure out if this is one of those "opinions" or what are the facts behind this issue. Thanks Dr Fred. On 6/13/2012 7:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen> Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can stall the engine. Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is functioning. Kelly On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner> wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner"> Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help keep O rings seated. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List igator?RV10-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gordon Anderson <mregoan(at)hispeed.ch>
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
Date: Jun 13, 2012
And I've always cycled 2 or 3 times under the impression it was intended to get warm oil into the propshaft and increase the reaction speed of the governor / prop. This certainly is the case on a cold Rotax - rpm recovery is much better after the 3rd cycle than the first - but I can't speak for other engines. Gordon On Jun 13, 2012, at 6:41 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > I've always cycled it fairly aggressively just to see if I can get oil on the windscreen or the top of the cowling. I figure that if I'm going to blow a seal or discover a leak, I'd rather discover it before my wheels leave the ground. > > I'm not saying I'm trying to bog the engine down and abusing it, but I'm doing more than simply looking for a slight drop. > > Phil > > > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: > > Kelly; > > I usually check the prop each time as part of my checklist. I just listen for the slight drop and then go back to fine pitch. You say it is not good for the engine or the prop. Why??? I can understand possibly strain on the bearings maybe, but in less than two minutes, I'm asking the engine for full power for takeoff. I'm trying to figure out if this is one of those "opinions" or what are the facts behind this issue. > > Thanks > > Dr Fred. > > > On 6/13/2012 7:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > > Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the > engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and > governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than > sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of > normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep > cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can > stall the engine. > Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown > for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is > functioning. > Kelly > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" > > Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help keep O rings seated. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================== =========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ======================== =========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ======================== =========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ======================== =========== > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
Date: Jun 13, 2012
I think the key is to cycle the prop gently. I hear pilots in the run up ar ea doing these fast deep cycles and can only wonder how those belts are fee ling during the cycle. No need to be so aggressive. A slow cycle or several slow cycles accomplishes the same thing but has to be easier on all the mo ving parts. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved) After checking mags at 1800 rpm, I reduce rpm to 1400 for the prop check. A &Ps I talk to suggested it. Anyone else doing that? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillip Perry<mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved) I've always cycled it fairly aggressively just to see if I can get oil on t he windscreen or the top of the cowling. I figure that if I'm going to blo w a seal or discover a leak, I'd rather discover it before my wheels leave the ground. I'm not saying I'm trying to bog the engine down and abusing it, but I'm do ing more than simply looking for a slight drop. Phil On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Fred Williams, M.D. > wrote: il.com> Kelly; I usually check the prop each time as part of my checklist. I just listen for the slight drop and then go back to fine pitch. You say it is not goo d for the engine or the prop. Why??? I can understand possibly strain on the bearings maybe, but in less than two minutes, I'm asking the engine f or full power for takeoff. I'm trying to figure out if this is one of th ose "opinions" or what are the facts behind this issue. Thanks Dr Fred. On 6/13/2012 7:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen> Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can stall the engine. Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is functioning. Kelly On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner> wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner"> Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too lon g after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they di dn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. M cCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help kee p O rings seated. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OSH 2012 RV-10 Group Camping
Date: Jun 13, 2012
Bob, I will be arriving on Thursday night, three of us and a travel trailer. Do not want to cause work for you but if there is anyway we can camp nearby, It will be great. Thanks. Rob Kermanj On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:56 PM, bcondrey wrote: > > After facilitating this for a few years and then taking last year off, my wife has convinced me to do an RV-10 group camping area in Camp Scholler again for those interested. We skipped last year because it just became too much work however EAA has made a few changes that should mitigate that. As in the past I will stake out sites on Tuesday (7/17 this year) the week prior to the show starting. It's done this early simply because we like the close proximity to the show, entry gates, showers, etc. Camp sites are "staked out" and marked off at that time and MUST have a registration tag. If a site doesn't have a registration tag the EAA security patrol will remove the stakes and marking tape. > > In order to keep the workload to a minimum, I'm going to do things a bit different than prior years however the net result should be the same. So, here's the deal: > - Instead of making payment to me you'll pay EAA direct. They now allow for specifying any arrival date (change from the past). There's a link at the bottom of this page to make payment http://airventure.org/planning/advance_camp.html. Cost this year is $24/night and EAA charges from the first night you're registered through the end of the show (including Sunday night). If you leave early you get a refund for unused nights. > - I will spend a couple hours the morning of 7/17 staking out and marking sites. If you pay for a different start date please plan for somebody else to stake out your site. > - You'll need to email me your info (EAA # and name) after you've made payment so I can build the list. I'll go get the site tags from the EAA folks for those on my list. > - All info/credentials will be left with the EAA except for the site tags. That means when you come in you can just go through the express registration gate and pick them up - no need to call me to come meet you at the gate. I'll send an email out to those on my list Tuesday 7/17 after the sites are staked out so you know where we'll be. > - If you're flying in and will be camping with us I'll pick up your entire credential package so you won't have to make your way to the entry gate. > > If you've never camped with us, we generally will be in the area of 55th and Lindbergh in Camp Scholler which is about a 5 minute walk to either the FlyMarket or Theater in the Woods gates. The camp store and a shower building are across from the FlyMarket entry gate, so about a 5 minute walk to those also. For the airshows we walk straight east across Knapp St. and onto the airfield. It's about a 10 minute walk to the flightline from our campsites. http://airventure.org/images/av11_schollermap.jpg > > No more details available yet but several people have contacted me offline and I've told everybody that I'd post something in June if I was going to do something, so here it is! Much of the workload in prior years came from dealing with the money, trying to get all the necessary info from people and dealing with getting people their credentials upon arrival. Now that EAA put into place a way for people to prepay starting on any day it should aleviate most of the workload. It's great to have our group together, more people need to help carry the load for events like this. Speaking of which, one person that contacted me offline volunteered to put together a group dinner one night... > > Here's a link to Tim's website where he's accumulated a lot of info on our group camping from past years. Except for the payment and arrival procedures, most of the rest of it should still be valid: http://www.myrv10.com/osh/ > > Bob > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375337#375337 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Thane States" <thane2(at)comporium.net>
Subject: Re: high oil PSI.
Date: Jun 13, 2012
Ok Guys, finally got the Oil PSi. sender changed today, and now am even more confused. Upon start, the Oil psi was at 99 psi and stayed there. I did a 5-7 minute engine run, and the psi never changed from 99 psi. Any ideas?? Could I have a brand new sender that is bad? Thanks in advance, Thane ----- Original Message ----- From: DLM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 10:25 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: high oil PSI. welcome to the club.the VDO 360-003 is the same used on a certified Piper product. The cost with the FAA PMA stamped exceeds $200. they are available to the experimental machines for $28 from http://www.jegs.com/i/VDO/918/360-003/10002/-1. The first lasted about $500 hours; the second gave intermittent high readings in about 25 hours. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:42 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: high oil PSI. I've seen the GRT fuel pressure sender go bad and read real high. I'd guess you have a bad sender. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:01 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: high oil PSI. Hey guys, I went out flying this weekend and had a strange rise in oil psi. Ist, I have a BPE, IO-540. 222 hrs. I was at 4500 msl when I glanced over to see my oil psi at 91 psi. Within a minute it jumped one more psi and so on until it showed 99 psi. By this time I already turned back for home, and had reduced power to see if that helped. That didn't change anything. Once I landed, and was at taxi power, it showed in the low 70's. Anyone else ever see this? BTW, I have the GRT system, and I am on my 3rd. fuel psi sender. Could this be the same problem, bad sender?? Thane states RV-10 321BY ===================http://www.matro nic=================http://forums.matro nics.com - List Contribution Web generous nbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06/04/12 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 13, 2012
To clarify: McCauley suggested the extra prop cycling to try to get the O rings to seat, but they did not suggest deep cycling - just enough to move the O rings a bit. So far on the 10 I have not had grease issues, and on runup I put the prop back in as soon as I hear any RPM drop. But I just did my first prop maintenance. Hopefully I didn't put in too much grease. I pumped until I saw it exiting out the open hole. It took about what was suggested, as I recall, in terms of the number of pumps on the grease gun. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375567#375567 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: high oil PSI.
From: pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 13, 2012
Thane keep me posted on this I made an unscheduled stop in blythe Ca after a 7000 mile trip Over the course of 300 miles the oil pressure indication went from83to 95 w hen I landed.Temp dropped but I richened the mixture and reduced RPM.I remo ved the cowl at BLH and tapped on the vernitherm,wiggled wires and turned d own oilpressure adjustment but only one turn in case it was an erroneos rea ding.On talkoff it was 92 but came down to 85 and I was able to return home .I am using grt equipment also but have had no trouble.This weekend I will check accuracy with a mechanical gauge.Sac sky ranch talks about possible b lockage inthe right oil gallery but that may be jumping the gun.My engine i s a narrow deck 540 that i overhauled myself with 450 hours using aeroshell 100 plus.To: rv10-list Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 11:27 am Subject: Re: RV10-List: high oil PSI. Ok Guys, finally got the Oil PSi. sender changed today, and now am even mor e confused. Upon start, the Oil psi was at 99 psi and stayed there. I did a 5-7 minute engine run, and the psi never changed from 99 psi. Any ideas?? Could I have a brand new sender that is bad? Thanks in advance, Thane ----- Original Message ----- From: DLM Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 10:25 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: high oil PSI. welcome to the club.the VDO 360-003 is the same used on a certified Piper p roduct. The cost with the FAA PMA stamped exceeds $200. they are available to the experimental machines for $28 from http://www.jegs.com/i/VDO/918/360 -003/10002/-1. The first lasted about $500 hours; the second gave intermitt ent high readings in about 25 hours. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:42 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: high oil PSI. I=C2=92ve seen the GRT fuel pressure sender go bad and read real high. I=C2=92d guess you have a bad sender. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:01 PM Subject: RV10-List: high oil PSI. Hey guys, I went out flying this weekend and had a strange rise in oil psi. Ist, I have a BPE, IO-540. 222 hrs. I was at 4500 msl when I glanced over to see my oil psi at 91 psi. Within a minute it jumped one more psi and so on until it showed 99 psi. By this time I already turned back for h ome, and had reduced power to see if that helped. That didn't change anyth ing. Once I landed, and was at taxi power, it showed in the low 70's. Anyone else ever see this? BTW, I have the GRT system, and I am on my 3rd. fuel psi sender. Could this be the same problem, bad sender?? Thane states RV-10 321BY ===================http://www.matron ic================ http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web generous nbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com -= - The RV10-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: high oil PSI.
Date: Jun 13, 2012
From: "George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil>
Thane - Any chance you checked the GRT for 0-psi before start? Check the lead(s) from the sender to the GRT. Check all connections or splices for a hidden break/intermittent. Pay particular attention to pinch points, like where the wire runs thru a clamp or tie. Have someone watch the monitor while you wiggle, tug and push the wire around. Pull the sender out of the engine, but leave it connected to the GRT. Use whatever plumbing adapters are necessary to connect the sender to your calibrated differential pressure gauge. Power up the monitor and apply air pressure. Compare the known air pressure to that displayed on the GRT. Use the regulator to vary the air pressure. Does the GRT oil pressure display change, or is it pegged at 99-psi? Could be a software / setup / calibration issue. While you're at it, check the old sender just for giggles. If the gauge and GRT agree, use plumbing adapters and a long hose to connect a known, accurate gauge to the oil pressure port on the engine. Perform a ground-run to verify that the engine is indeed making high pressure. If the engine is indeed making high oil pressure, check the pressure regulator assembly. Then consult the engine builder for further guidance. Neal -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States Ok Guys, finally got the Oil PSi. sender changed today, and now am even more confused. Upon start, the Oil psi was at 99 psi and stayed there. I did a 5-7 minute engine run, and the psi never changed from 99 psi. Any ideas?? Could I have a brand new sender that is bad? Thanks in advance, Thane ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 13, 2012
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
The issue is the forces the pitch change mechanism puts on the prop and the engine bearings when the engine is not a full power and has no air moving through it. Similar to a full power run up with twisting forces added to the prop blades. On a Lycoming flat 4 or 6 cylinder, cycling the prop only serves one purpose..to show that the pitch change mechanism is working. Doing that as gently as possible reduces the forces involved. Checking the mechanism multiple times a day accomplishes nothing. Checking it first flight of the morning might add a little confidence, but really isn't necessary. Nothing bad is going to happen if the prop stays in fine pitch, that you can't correct once at a safe altitude to return to the field. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: > > > Kelly; > > I usually check the prop each time as part of my checklist. I just listen > for the slight drop and then go back to fine pitch. You say it is not good > for the engine or the prop. Why??? I can understand possibly strain on the > bearings maybe, but in less than two minutes, I'm asking the engine for > full power for takeoff. I'm trying to figure out if this is one of those > "opinions" or what are the facts behind this issue. > > Thanks > > Dr Fred. > > > On 6/13/2012 7:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the >> engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and >> governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than >> sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of >> normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep >> cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can >> stall the engine. >> Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown >> for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is >> functioning. >> Kelly >> >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too >>> long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they >>> didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. >>> McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help >>> keep O rings seated. >>> >>> -------- >>> Bob Turner >>> RV-10 QB >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re:
Date: Jun 13, 2012
I generally go out and rev the engine to 2000 than do a prop check 5-6 times, I figure it=99s like revving a engine on a vette, I want people to know I have a high powered engine!! Seriously though, there is a fellow friend and RV-10 who always makes a comment about students doing three prop checks before takeoff, when once is enough. They=99re rentals, who cares! Here is a piece from Avweb: How many times should you cycle the prop? If the RPM drops smoothly and properly, once is enough. The fresh oil will probably cause the piston to move a good deal and when it comes back to the low pitch stops, most of the "old" oil will be pushed out. If you really want to feel good, do it twice, to get even more of that "old" oil out of there. Three times is gross overkill, in my opinion, but a lot of people do three times, or more. In reality, there are tiny bleed holes that allow a constant flow of warm oil to both sides of the prop piston, so even if you take off with cold oil in there, it will quickly be replaced with nice slippery warm stuff. On some of the big old props on the radials, in extreme Arctic conditions, the oil would congeal faster than the bleed ports could replace it, but I doubt you'll find any modern props with this problem. I should note for completeness that many of the props on the big radials might require many more cycles to achieve a smooth RPM drop when cold. In freezing temperatures, it may take up to ten cycles. There's a lot more to the mechanism, and a lot more oil involved. Link for the full version http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182082-1.html From: Roger Standley Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved) After checking mags at 1800 rpm, I reduce rpm to 1400 for the prop check. A&Ps I talk to suggested it. Anyone else doing that? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillip Perry To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved) I've always cycled it fairly aggressively just to see if I can get oil on the windscreen or the top of the cowling. I figure that if I'm going to blow a seal or discover a leak, I'd rather discover it before my wheels leave the ground. I'm not saying I'm trying to bog the engine down and abusing it, but I'm doing more than simply looking for a slight drop. Phil On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: Kelly; I usually check the prop each time as part of my checklist. I just listen for the slight drop and then go back to fine pitch. You say it is not good for the engine or the prop. Why??? I can understand possibly strain on the bearings maybe, but in less than two minutes, I'm asking the engine for full power for takeoff. I'm trying to figure out if this is one of those "opinions" or what are the facts behind this issue. Thanks Dr Fred. On 6/13/2012 7:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can stall the engine. Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is functioning. Kelly On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help keep O rings seated. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-10 at Oshkosh
Date: Jun 14, 2012
From: Fabian Rahm <vans(at)paulcream.com>
Dear RV-Builders, I'm more than interested in building an RV-10. Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me. As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :) Regards, Fabian ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "William Greenley" <wgreenley(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV-10 at Oshkosh
Date: Jun 14, 2012
Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago and am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10, am also hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh. Good Luck, building is a lot of fun. Bill Greenley -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh Dear RV-Builders, I'm more than interested in building an RV-10. Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me. As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :) Regards, Fabian ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2012
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a good environment for a demonstration ride. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, William Greenley wrote: > > Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago and am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10, am also hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh. > Good Luck, building is a lot of fun. > Bill Greenley > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh > > > Dear RV-Builders, > > I'm more than interested in building an RV-10. > > Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me. > > As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :) > > Regards, > > Fabian > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2012
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com>
Van's provides demo flights at OSH. I had my first flight in a -10 last year there. They charge you $50 for the flight, but you get $50 off of the emp kit when you order it... which I just realized that I forgot to do. The demo is just a short 15-20 minute flight, but you do get to control the the plane, and it's interesting being in the traffic patterns at OSH if you've never done that before. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a > good environment for a demonstration ride. > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, William Greenley > wrote: > > > > > > Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago > and am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10, > am also hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh. > > Good Luck, building is a lot of fun. > > Bill Greenley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm > > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM > > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh > > > > > > Dear RV-Builders, > > > > I'm more than interested in building an RV-10. > > > > Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in > Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare > around me. > > > > As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up > with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :) > > > > Regards, > > > > Fabian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jun 14, 2012
There are plenty of opportunities at OSH for demo rides. There has been a history of many pilots taking folks up first thing in the morning. I can tell you the ride that my wife and I took with Tim was what convinced my wife I was building the right aircraft. She hated my Cherokee, but fell in love with the 10. I can also tell you I enjoyed the factory demo with Mike Seger too. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a good environment for a demonstration ride. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, William Greenley wrote: > > Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago and am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10, am also hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh. > Good Luck, building is a lot of fun. > Bill Greenley > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh > > > Dear RV-Builders, > > I'm more than interested in building an RV-10. > > Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me. > > As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :) > > Regards, > > Fabian > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Update on Garmin G3X
From: Karol Hansen <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com>
Date: Jun 14, 2012
Hey Robin and any others flying with the Garmin G3X - we would appreciate an update as to how you like it, pros and cons, would you select it for another aircraft that you might build? ETC On another note : "GREASE ON THE WINDSCREEN" During my 15 years of owning my RV-6A this issue did occur, once, (Hartzell Constant Speed). My findings concluded with the zerk, or grease fittings themselves, were the culprit. Somehow the check ball does not seat properly, allows a slight amount of grease to be released, which then is slung out and shows itself as an ugly pucker factor on the windscreen at cruise. In checking with other owners of RVs, same prop, my issue was not a stand alone issue. The fix of course is simply replacement of the fittings, proper torque, and install the grease fitting end covers with safety wire on all four of them. If you don't have the fitting covers, Hartzell will send you some and they are cheap - any prop shop will of course also have them. It is interesting to note that sometimes pilots/owners told me that their grease fitting issue happened right after they serviced the prop, or after overhaul, and others stated that they had not touched anything on the prop for a year and it just "happened". Hope that helps some of you. There are certainly other failures that can take place in the prop to cause a loss of oil or grease, but this issue is an easy one to address and have knowledge of. Regarding Prop Cycling, I completely agree with Kelly. Would you go start your car in the morning and while it is still cold firmly hold the brake pedal down, put the A/T in gear, and at the same time with the other foot push the gas pedal to the floor and perform a WOT stall test on the torque convertor? Might not go over too well with all those cold moving parts in both the engine and transmission. Would it take it? Probably. Would something break? Probably not, but not really the best thing to do if you want things to last. So regarding our props and cycling, we are just trying to respectably check that it is functioning, then go about our flight for the day - just a slight drop in RPM (certainly not under 1500), no oil on the wind screen, back in, and off we go! Rich Hansen 6A - sold 10 - fun part - engine install not fun part, canopy and doors - done ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2012
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
You guys interested in a ride should list your address and/or close airport s.... you might be pleasantly surprised at the results.- I was a brand ne w pilot 3 years ago, and I have been fortunate to share this wonderful mach ine to 123 different passengers to date.=0ADon McDonald-- 0tx1=0A420 ho urs- 414DM=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: William Gre enley =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday , June 14, 2012 9:30 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh=0A =0A- =0AWelcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago and am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10 , am also hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh.=0AGood Luck, building is a lot o f fun.=0ABill Greenley=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-rv10-l ist-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On B ehalf Of Fabian Rahm=0ASent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM=0ATo: rv10-li st(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh=0A=0A--> RV10-List message posted by: Fabian Rahm =0A=0ADear RV-Builders, =0A=0AI'm more than interested in building an RV-10.=0A=0AEarlier this week , I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland. I haven 't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me.=0A=0AAs I 'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a b uilder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :)=0A=0ARegards, == ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2012
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
Dave Moore did a writeup within the last month... also his first flight was within the same month.=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Fro m: Karol Hansen =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0A Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:47 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Update on Garm unner.com>=0A=0A=0AHey Robin and any others flying with the Garmin G3X -=C2 - we would appreciate an update as to how you like it, pros and cons, wou ld you select it for another aircraft that you might build?=C2- ETC =0A=0AOn another note :=C2- =C2- "GREASE ON THE WINDSCREEN" =0A=0ADuring my 15 years of owning my RV-6A this issue did occur,=C2- onc e,=C2- (Hartzell Constant Speed).=C2- My findings concluded with the ze rk, or grease fittings themselves, were the culprit.=C2- Somehow the chec k ball does not seat properly, allows a slight amount of grease to be relea sed, which then is slung out and shows itself as an ugly pucker factor on t he windscreen at cruise.=C2- In checking with other owners of RVs, same prop, my issue was not=C2- a stand alone issue.=C2- The fix of course i s simply replacement of the fittings, proper torque, and install the grease fitting end covers with safety wire on all four of them.=C2- If you don' t have the fitting covers, Hartzell will send you some and they are cheap - any prop shop will of course also have them.=C2- It is interesting to n ote that sometimes pilots/owners told me that their grease fitting issue ha ppened right after they serviced the prop, or after overhaul, and others st ated that they had not touched anything on the prop for a year an!=0Ad it just=C2- "happened".=C2- =0A=0AHope that helps some of you.=C2- There are certainly other failures that can take place in the prop to cause a loss of oil or grease, but this issue is an easy one to address and have knowledge of.=C2- =0A=0ARegardi ng Prop Cycling, I completely agree with Kelly.=C2- Would you go start yo ur car in the morning and while it is still cold firmly hold the brake peda l down, put the A/T in gear,=C2- and at the same time with the other foot push the gas pedal to the floor and perform=C2- a WOT stall test on the torque convertor?=C2- Might not go over too well with all those cold movi ng parts in both the engine and transmission.=C2- Would it take it?=C2 - Probably.=C2- Would something break?=C2- Probably not, but not real ly the best thing to do if you want things to last.=C2- So regarding our props and cycling, we are just trying to respectably check that it is func tioning, then go about our flight for the day - just a slight drop in RPM ( certainly not under 1500), no oil on the wind screen, back in, and off we g o!=0A=0ARich Hansen=0A6A -=C2- sold=0A10 - fun part - engine install=0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- not fun part, canopy and doors - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A_ ==== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
Date: Jun 14, 2012
I purchased my -10 kit 2 years before I ever saw a -10 in person. The very next day I took the OSH demo ride and was happy I took the leap. Note I had owned 2 prior 2 place RV's so I knew Vans design philosophy well. I don't recall paying the $50 for the flight but maybe because I had already purchased the kit. Also I am sure we didn't do the demo flight from OSH but from a local 1 runway airport near OSH which makes for much easier in/out demos. BTW I gave Michael and Irene (with her broken foot) a flight when they visited central California a few years back (2009). I also recently gave 3 separate RV-10 demo flights for people in my area. What a great way to spread the word. Flying the -10 is believing. http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=m5a60a1cu#/watch?v=XWMlBLFU3Mg Robin Sent from the new iPad On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:50 AM, "Bob Leffler" wrote: > > There are plenty of opportunities at OSH for demo rides. There has been a history of many pilots taking folks up first thing in the morning. > > I can tell you the ride that my wife and I took with Tim was what convinced my wife I was building the right aircraft. She hated my Cherokee, but fell in love with the 10. > > I can also tell you I enjoyed the factory demo with Mike Seger too. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a > good environment for a demonstration ride. > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, William Greenley wrote: >> >> Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago and am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10, am also hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh. >> Good Luck, building is a lot of fun. >> Bill Greenley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh >> >> >> Dear RV-Builders, >> >> I'm more than interested in building an RV-10. >> >> Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me. >> >> As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :) >> >> Regards, >> >> Fabian >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
Date: Jun 14, 2012
Rich, I am extremely pleased with the G3x dual screen system we installed in the 8A. While it does not have the same screen real estate as my Garmin G900X does in my RV 10 the Garmin G3X has worked flawlessly and presents all the information just as I want it. Plus its interface for updating and modifying the display is far superior to the G900X due to its 13 year newer system design. I do not mean to speak for Sean but I am aware that he is thrilled with the performance of his G3x based on our conversations and Sean is extremely knowledgeable of high-end systems being a commercial and executive jet pilot. All that being said I am also extremely impressed with the Advanced Flight Systems offerings as well as the Dynon Skyview displays. It is interesting how close in price all three of these systems ultimately are for purchase and install. The Garmin definitely has a higher cost of ownership once installed based on you being forced into the Garmin ecosystem for updates but you have the guarantee of a system that will be supported for as long as you are going to be flying. If I were building a brand-new RV-10 today I would be very hard-pressed to make a decision between the Garmin G3x and the Advanced Flight Systems 10 inch displays. In my opinion it's impossible to make a bad decision between these two systems. While on the subject of avionics I kicked myself twice every day, once for not putting a Vertical Power system in my RV 10 and once for not putting a Vertical Power system in my 8A. Good luck, Robin Sent from the new iPad On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:01 AM, "Karol Hansen" wrote: > > > Hey Robin and any others flying with the Garmin G3X - we would appreciate an update as to how you like it, pros and cons, would you select it for another aircraft that you might build? ETC > > On another note : "GREASE ON THE WINDSCREEN" > > During my 15 years of owning my RV-6A this issue did occur, once, (Hartzell Constant Speed). My findings concluded with the zerk, or grease fittings themselves, were the culprit. Somehow the check ball does not seat properly, allows a slight amount of grease to be released, which then is slung out and shows itself as an ugly pucker factor on the windscreen at cruise. In checking with other owners of RVs, same prop, my issue was not a stand alone issue. The fix of course is simply replacement of the fittings, proper torque, and install the grease fitting end covers with safety wire on all four of them. If you don't have the fitting covers, Hartzell will send you some and they are cheap - any prop shop will of course also have them. It is interesting to note that sometimes pilots/owners told me that their grease fitting issue happened right after they serviced the prop, or after overhaul, and others stated that they had not touched anything on the prop for a year an! > d it just "happened". > > Hope that helps some of you. There are certainly other failures that can take place in the prop to cause a loss of oil or grease, but this issue is an easy one to address and have knowledge of. > > Regarding Prop Cycling, I completely agree with Kelly. Would you go start your car in the morning and while it is still cold firmly hold the brake pedal down, put the A/T in gear, and at the same time with the other foot push the gas pedal to the floor and perform a WOT stall test on the torque convertor? Might not go over too well with all those cold moving parts in both the engine and transmission. Would it take it? Probably. Would something break? Probably not, but not really the best thing to do if you want things to last. So regarding our props and cycling, we are just trying to respectably check that it is functioning, then go about our flight for the day - just a slight drop in RPM (certainly not under 1500), no oil on the wind screen, back in, and off we go! > > Rich Hansen > 6A - sold > 10 - fun part - engine install > not fun part, canopy and doors - done > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2012
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
PS: A side benefit is that for the un-initiated, it's a chance to fly the Ripon > Fisk > OSH approach with someone before they come to OSH themselves. Tim On 6/14/2012 10:05 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a > good environment for a demonstration ride. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2012
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
If you want to get a demo ride from Van's make sure you sign up Monday am if possible. The demo rides are limited and go fast. Dr Fred. 515FW. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2012
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
> > I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a > good environment for a demonstration ride. > I would agree on that! What I did 14 years ago was a week Oshkosh, then fly to Seattle rented a car, did the Yellowstone park for another week and had a demoflight with a Glastar and a RV6A, 3 years later I did my 1st flight with my own plane! Fabian, as you know, the first Swiss Glastar is flying might be another 6-7 month until he can take Passengers however. Cheers Werner (tailcone fitted doing cabling runs) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "William Greenley" <wgreenley(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV-10 at Oshkosh
Date: Jun 14, 2012
I have heard they book up fast. One of my goals at Oshkosh this year is to get a demo rider with my son who is helping me build the 10. Bill Greenley -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D. Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh --> If you want to get a demo ride from Van's make sure you sign up Monday am if possible. The demo rides are limited and go fast. Dr Fred. 515FW. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2012
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I took on 2 years ago, just to say I did. If you get there in the first two days, you can typically get on the schedule. It might be later in the week, but you can get it. Phil On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:51 PM, William Greenley wrote: > > I have heard they book up fast. One of my goals at Oshkosh this year is to > get a demo rider with my son who is helping me build the 10. > Bill Greenley > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, > M.D. > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:23 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh > > --> > > > If you want to get a demo ride from Van's make sure you sign up Monday am > if > possible. The demo rides are limited and go fast. > > Dr Fred. > 515FW. > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jun 14, 2012
They will let him accompany you on the demo ride. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2012, at 1:51 PM, "William Greenley" wrote: I have heard they book up fast. One of my goals at Oshkosh this year is to get a demo rider with my son who is helping me build the 10. Bill Greenley -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D. Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh --> If you want to get a demo ride from Van's make sure you sign up Monday am if possible. The demo rides are limited and go fast. Dr Fred. 515FW. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Jun 14, 2012
Since no one answered your question , yes, if you come to Oshkosh from Switzerland, I'll gladly find time to take you up for a ride in my RV-10. I hope to be there from Wednesday night through Saturday, but I only live a couple of hours from KOSH so my schedule may change. Just come prepared with your checkbook, as they say, it's the most expensive free airplane ride you will ever take!! -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Fabian Rahm wrote: > > Dear RV-Builders, > > I'm more than interested in building an RV-10. > > Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me. > > As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :) > > Regards, > > Fabian > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re:
Date: Jun 14, 2012
It depends on how much debris is found in the run up area. I got a 1/4" half moon nick in my prop from an inadvertent high rpm hot start. Then another pilot in an RV10 met me at another airport. When he started to fuel, I noticed a 1/4" half moon nick in his prop and suggested that he got it in the run up area where there is considerable debris. He indicated that he just came from there. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: I generally go out and rev the engine to 2000 than do a prop check 5-6 times, I figure it's like revving a engine on a vette, I want people to know I have a high powered engine!! Seriously though, there is a fellow friend and RV-10 who always makes a comment about students doing three prop checks before takeoff, when once is enough. They're rentals, who cares! Here is a piece from Avweb: How many times should you cycle the prop? If the RPM drops smoothly and properly, once is enough. The fresh oil will probably cause the piston to move a good deal and when it comes back to the low pitch stops, most of the "old" oil will be pushed out. If you really want to feel good, do it twice, to get even more of that "old" oil out of there. Three times is gross overkill, in my opinion, but a lot of people do three times, or more. In reality, there are tiny bleed holes that allow a constant flow of warm oil to both sides of the prop piston, so even if you take off with cold oil in there, it will quickly be replaced with nice slippery warm stuff. On some of the big old props on the radials, in extreme Arctic conditions, the oil would congeal faster than the bleed ports could replace it, but I doubt you'll find any modern props with this problem. I should note for completeness that many of the props on the big radials might require many more cycles to achieve a smooth RPM drop when cold. In freezing temperatures, it may take up to ten cycles. There's a lot more to the mechanism, and a lot more oil involved. Link for the full version <http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182082-1.html> http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182082-1.html From: Roger Standley <mailto:taildragon(at)msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved) After checking mags at 1800 rpm, I reduce rpm to 1400 for the prop check. A&Ps I talk to suggested it. Anyone else doing that? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillip <mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com> Perry Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved) I've always cycled it fairly aggressively just to see if I can get oil on the windscreen or the top of the cowling. I figure that if I'm going to blow a seal or discover a leak, I'd rather discover it before my wheels leave the ground. I'm not saying I'm trying to bog the engine down and abusing it, but I'm doing more than simply looking for a slight drop. Phil On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: Kelly; I usually check the prop each time as part of my checklist. I just listen for the slight drop and then go back to fine pitch. You say it is not good for the engine or the prop. Why??? I can understand possibly strain on the bearings maybe, but in less than two minutes, I'm asking the engine for full power for takeoff. I'm trying to figure out if this is one of those "opinions" or what are the facts behind this issue. Thanks Dr Fred. On 6/13/2012 7:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen Keep in mind that cycling a prop is NOT good for the prop or the engine. Its only purpose is to verify that the prop control and governor are operational, and a 100-200 rpm drop is more than sufficient for that purpose. The blades will get rotated as part of normal take-off and climb. I cringe every time I hear pilots deep cycling props, as though they want to see if full coarse pitch can stall the engine. Latest thinking is to only cycle the prop if the plane hasn't flown for awhile, and then just a small drop to verify the system is functioning. Kelly On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Bob Turner wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" Some years ago our 182 (McCauley prop) started throwing grease, not too long after overhaul. Shop took it apart and put it back together, said they didn't find anything wrong. But the grease went away. Maybe a dirty O ring. McCauley suggested we cycle the prop 4 or 5 times during run ups to help keep O rings seated. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/ <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481> viewtopic.php?p=375481#375481 ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =================================== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: RV-10 at Oshkosh
Date: Jun 14, 2012
I concur; demo pilot scared the hell out of me when he flew another aircraft (at tower request, not a 10) at 30 feet AGL from the numbers to the orange dot with the horn blaring and the wings wobbling side to side. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:05 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh I don't know what others think, but I would question whether OSH is a good environment for a demonstration ride. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:30 AM, William Greenley wrote: > --> > > Welcome to the club of the interested, I moved beyond that two years ago and am just finishing the wings. But, I still have yet to ride in an RV-10, am also hoping to get a ride at Oshkosh. > Good Luck, building is a lot of fun. > Bill Greenley > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [ mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Rahm > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 at Oshkosh > > > Dear RV-Builders, > > I'm more than interested in building an RV-10. > > Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn in Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're still rare around me. > > As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet up > with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight :) > > Regards, > > Fabian > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 14, 2012
Robin, Why leave out GRT? Everyone likes their decisions, of course, but I am really happy with my choice of an HX/HS pair. The new HXr may be too new to evaluate, but it looks like a good choice for a larger screen. I think AFS and GRT are very competitive, and you end up choosing one or the other for personal, individual reasons. One thing that has pleasantly surprised me is that theses boxes do quite a bit more than is advertised. E.g., the HX will share wx with the HS; the analog inputs on the HX have (if selected on) internal bias resistors, so you don't need to run a power line to flap position sensors, etc. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375699#375699 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
Date: Jun 15, 2012
Bob, Some of this stuff is timing. When I initially researched my -10 avionics (~5 years ago) the GRT's were solid units with very nice & committed people behind the equipment but the hardware already seemed like legacy equipment. This was all prior to the HX product line etc.. Frankly when It was time to outfit the 8A the narrower G3x screens seem to be ideal for such small area and I was impressed with the performance & stability of my G900x so the G3x was my solution. I never really looked at GRT since I was so familiar with Garmin and impressed with the AFS package and also had a pretty good feeling that AFS had a long term future in experimental avionics. I really do not know enough about GRT to comment on them. All I can say is I hope the marketplace continues to see rapid development of these technologies and that there is enough demand to support the existing manufacturers. I have had a front row seat for both the Blue Mountain and OP retirements and used that as part of my decision making process. I am thrilled you are happy with GRT. I know these new systems can help us be safer & better pilots. Just today I departed the LA basin and saw on my screen 2 LA county fire choppers, 3 news choppers circling an accident, 5 planes entering or leaving the pattern, a 737 dropping into Burbank as a Lear was launching straight out from Van Nuys in my general direction as a Meridian passed overhead. I saw all the choppers but maybe 6 of the 30 additional targets in and around my departure. Sure beats a six pack. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X Robin, Why leave out GRT? Everyone likes their decisions, of course, but I am really happy with my choice of an HX/HS pair. The new HX may be too new to evaluate, but it looks like a good choice for a larger screen. I think AFS and GRT are very competitive, and you end up choosing one or the other for personal, individual reasons. One thing that has pleasantly surprised me is that these boxes do quite a bit more than is advertised. E.g., the HX will share wx with the HS; the analog inputs on the HX have (if selected on) internal bias resistors, so you don't need to run a power line to flap position sensors, etc. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375699#375699 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
Date: Jun 15, 2012
From: Fabian Rahm <vans(at)paulcream.com>
Thanks for the huge reply! I thought about the demo rides as well, but as they might not be available to me, I looked (and found, thanks Mike!) for other opportunities. Can't wait... Cheers, Fabian Am 14.06.2012 20:57, schrieb Michael Kraus: > > > Since no one answered your question , yes, if you come to Oshkosh > from Switzerland, I'll gladly find time to take you up for a ride in > my RV-10. I hope to be there from Wednesday night through Saturday, > but I only live a couple of hours from KOSH so my schedule may > change. > > > Just come prepared with your checkbook, as they say, it's the most > expensive free airplane ride you will ever take!! > > -Mike Kraus > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Fabian Rahm wrote: > >> >> Dear RV-Builders, >> >> I'm more than interested in building an RV-10. >> >> Earlier this week, I visited the RV-10 project of Michael Wellenzohn >> in Switzerland. I haven't been able to fly in a -10 yet as they're >> still rare around me. >> >> As I'll be in Oshkosh this year, I would be more than happy to meet >> up with a builder of an RV-10 and if possible, go for a short flight >> :) >> >> Regards, >> >> Fabian >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Mounting rear seat headset jacks
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jun 15, 2012
For those with Abby's Flightline interior, how did you mount the rear seat headphone jacks? I'd like to mount mine on the sides panels in the space right in front of the arm rests (there's about 3 inches there). I'm just not sure how to go about it. Pics would be great as I'm a visual learner. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375716#375716 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mounting rear seat headset jacks
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Jun 15, 2012
Todd, That us exactly what I did. I had Abby leave a 2-3" opening in front of the arm rest. I had her send me some extra leather and glued the leather to th e aluminum side panel where the jacks go, then installed her panel. I have g ood pictures at home. Here is a picture where you can almost see it. I'll try and remember to send you the detail tonight. It turned out really n ice!! -Mike Kraus RV-10 Flying Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:34 AM, "tsts4" wrote: > > For those with Abby's Flightline interior, how did you mount the rear seat headphone jacks? I'd like to mount mine on the sides panels in the space ri ght in front of the arm rests (there's about 3 inches there). I'm just not s ure how to go about it. Pics would be great as I'm a visual learner. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > 728TT (reserved) > RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375716#375716 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >

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Subject: Re: Mounting rear seat headset jacks
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jun 15, 2012
Mike that would be great. For those following along at home, you can see the space I'm talking about in Mike's pic. What I'm struggling with is if I mount the jacks to the the aluminum side panel that is underneath Abby's panel how best to modify Abby's panel to get access to the jacks. The area in question on Abby's panel is some sort of fiber board covered with fabric (in my case syn leather) which is about 3/16 to 1/4" thick (but is compressible to something less than 3/16" based upon my unscientific pinch test). I'm leery of cutting up Abby's work so I've got to get this right the first time. My first thought is to simply cut holes in Abby's panel where the jacks are and finish it off with a second mounting nut that would sandwich the fabric between the two nuts. Sounds too simple which is why I'm looking for opinions. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375719#375719 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 15, 2012
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Mounting rear seat headset jacks
I created and painted a metal plate to put on top of that area that I mounted the jacks on. Then, cut a slightly undersized hole to match in Abby's stuff, and screwed those parts together. For the aluminum panel below, I notched out the area so that I could still slide the panel across and snap it in place. Tim On 6/15/2012 7:56 AM, tsts4 wrote: > > Mike that would be great. > > For those following along at home, you can see the space I'm talking > about in Mike's pic. What I'm struggling with is if I mount the > jacks to the the aluminum side panel that is underneath Abby's panel > how best to modify Abby's panel to get access to the jacks. The area > in question on Abby's panel is some sort of fiber board covered with > fabric (in my case syn leather) which is about 3/16 to 1/4" thick > (but is compressible to something less than 3/16" based upon my > unscientific pinch test). I'm leery of cutting up Abby's work so > I've got to get this right the first time. > > My first thought is to simply cut holes in Abby's panel where the > jacks are and finish it off with a second mounting nut that would > sandwich the fabric between the two nuts. Sounds too simple which is > why I'm looking for opinions. > > -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375719#375719 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
From: "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 15, 2012
I'll bet I'm not the only one wondering what is the proper torque value for a Zerk fitting? Thanks, Jay karolamy(at)roadrunner.co wrote: > Hey Robin and any others flying with the Garmin G3X - we would appreciate an update as to how you like it, pros and cons, would you select it for another aircraft that you might build? ETC > > On another note : "GREASE ON THE WINDSCREEN" > > During my 15 years of owning my RV-6A this issue did occur, once, (Hartzell Constant Speed). My findings concluded with the zerk, or grease fittings themselves, were the culprit. Somehow the check ball does not seat properly, allows a slight amount of grease to be released, which then is slung out and shows itself as an ugly pucker factor on the windscreen at cruise. In checking with other owners of RVs, same prop, my issue was not a stand alone issue. The fix of course is simply replacement of the fittings, proper torque, and install the grease fitting end covers with safety wire on all four of them. If you don't have the fitting covers, Hartzell will send you some and they are cheap - any prop shop will of course also have them. It is interesting to note that sometimes pilots/owners told me that their grease fitting issue happened right after they serviced the prop, or after overhaul, and others stated that they had not touched anything on the prop for a year and it just "happened". > > Hope that helps some of you. There are certainly other failures that can take place in the prop to cause a loss of oil or grease, but this issue is an easy one to address and have knowledge of. > > Regarding Prop Cycling, I completely agree with Kelly. Would you go start your car in the morning and while it is still cold firmly hold the brake pedal down, put the A/T in gear, and at the same time with the other foot push the gas pedal to the floor and perform a WOT stall test on the torque convertor? Might not go over too well with all those cold moving parts in both the engine and transmission. Would it take it? Probably. Would something break? Probably not, but not really the best thing to do if you want things to last. So regarding our props and cycling, we are just trying to respectably check that it is functioning, then go about our flight for the day - just a slight drop in RPM (certainly not under 1500), no oil on the wind screen, back in, and off we go! > > Rich Hansen > 6A - sold > 10 - fun part - engine install > not fun part, canopy and doors - done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375740#375740 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mounting rear seat headset jacks
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 15, 2012
Whatever you do, remember to put insulating fiber washers under the jacks. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375749#375749 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 15, 2012
From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Audio Mixers
Hi Guys, - Is there anyone out there who has implemented an audio mixer for expanding the number of unswitched inputs to their audio panel? - Which model did you use and what is your experience?- Alternatively did a nyone simply use one (or more)-of the unused switched inputs and relabell ed (if so how) the switch accordingly? - In my case I have a GMA-347 and need seven unswitched inputs (it comes with five). - Thanking you all in anticipation, - Rodger Temporarily in North Queensland ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 15, 2012
Subject: Re: RV-10 at Oshkosh
From: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net>
On 6/14/2012 1:23 PM, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: > > If you want to get a demo ride from Van's make sure you sign up Monday > am if possible. The demo rides are limited and go fast. > In fact, call now and see if they'll put you on the list. Can't hurt to ask... -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Audio Mixers
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 15, 2012
Well, I built my own audio panel/intercom, so I guess the answer to your question is 'yes'. Google "LM324" and "mixer" and you'll see some ideas. Or I can email you the circuit I used. Cost about $5. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375790#375790 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 16, 2012
From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Audio Mixers
Thanks Bob, - That would be fantastic if you sent me the circuit, - Rodger - --- On Sat, 16/6/12, Bob Turner wrote: From: Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Audio Mixers Date: Saturday, 16 June, 2012, 6:14 Well, I built my own audio panel/intercom, so I guess the answer to your qu estion is 'yes'. Google "LM324" and "mixer" and you'll see some ideas. Or I can email you th e circuit I used. Cost about $5. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375790#375790 le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: Jun 16, 2012
Tim, that is pretty much exactly what Maxwell Propeller in Minneapolis told me when they overhauled the propeller on my old Bonanza. In fact, that was a Beechcraft propeller (no longer produced) and Maxwell actually took the grease zirks off and plugged them while performing the overhaul, saying there was no need to ever grease the Beechcraft propellers for the reasons you mention. Those old Beechcraft props were excellent. IIRC, there were zero AD's on a propeller that had been in service for several decades. They don't make em like that any more! -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375816#375816 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Audio Mixers
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 16, 2012
Sent by email; 2 emails, one a schematic (pdf file), the other a photo of my audio panel/intercom. Let me know if you don't get them. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375818#375818 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
Date: Jun 16, 2012
Yeah, it was Maxwell that I went to too. They have so many props in the shop that I know I can trust their advice. Good folks. Due to my time pressure, which caused the wrong person to have to calculate my bill, I almost paid double....but I noticed something wrong and they checked it out. Ended up paying $800 but they repainted it too so it looks good and they alodined the wear pits and cleaned them up. I shouldn't have pushed the timeline which would have allowed the normal billing person to do it. I'm just glad it's good to go. Tim On Jun 16, 2012, at 4:11 PM, "dmaib(at)me.com" wrote: > > Tim, that is pretty much exactly what Maxwell Propeller in Minneapolis told me when they overhauled the propeller on my old Bonanza. In fact, that was a Beechcraft propeller (no longer produced) and Maxwell actually took the grease zirks off and plugged them while performing the overhaul, saying there was no need to ever grease the Beechcraft propellers for the reasons you mention. Those old Beechcraft props were excellent. IIRC, there were zero AD's on a propeller that had been in service for several decades. They don't make em like that any more! > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > Transition Trainer > New Smyrna Beach, FL > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375816#375816 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 16, 2012
From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Audio Mixers
Hi Bob, - E-mails received. - Thanks very much, - Best wishes, - Rodger --- On Sat, 16/6/12, Bob Turner wrote: From: Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Audio Mixers Date: Saturday, 16 June, 2012, 23:15 Sent by email; 2 emails, one a schematic (pdf file), the other a photo of my audio panel/i ntercom. Let me know if you don't get them. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375818#375818 le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mystery Oil Leak (solved)
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 16, 2012
Tim, David, Thanks for posting this useful information. My previous prop was a McCauley on a 182 and it didn't have any zerk fittings, so the Hartzel maintenance instructions seemed like a bit of overkill. No grease next year unless it's leaking! Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375840#375840 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mounting rear seat headset jacks
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jun 16, 2012
You could put the jacks on the rear seat crossbar support. That way the cords remain behind the seats and out of the way. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375852#375852 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas)
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 16, 2012
When I went to AK I borrowed a shotgun and bought some 00 buckshot shells. I've always wondered if this would have discouraged a bear, or if it just would have made him angrier? Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375856#375856 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jun 16, 2012
I only have 32 hours on my G3X but I love it. It has all the bells and whistles as the others and then some. Geo-referenced approach plates and safe taxi, for example. Mine is a 3 screen system with PFD and MFD on the pilot side and a screen that does both on the right . These are configurable as are most things on the system. It interfaces flawlessly with the GX pilot A/P and GTN-650. With respect to operating costs if you are flying IFR I don't see much difference between the competitors. Jeppesen is going to get your $ one way or another. As I wrote a couple months ago in my comparison between GRT, AFS, and Garmin - there is not much difference in functionality. Dynon is not in the same league assuming you want a full capability IFR machine, otherwise their stuff is good too. I like the landscape screens a little better than the portrait style with the G3X but not enough to justify the price difference (at the time I was looking). I also like having 2 screens on the pilot side in the event that one goes TU. I use a Dynon D-6 as a backup which is a neat little unit. If you are wondering if I am happy with the G3X my response is yes. You will get the same response from the GRT and AFS guys too. We all like what we invested so much in. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375860#375860 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: oil pressure
From: pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Can I get some input as to where some of you are running your cruise oil pr essure ,especially factory motors or those from engine builders.Lycoming re fers to airframe manufacturer and that isn't much help since that's me. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: oil pressure
From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Jun 16, 2012
65-75 psi for me on cruise. Hot days 67 cold days 75. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2012, at 23:06, pilotdds wrote: > Can I get some input as to where some of you are running your cruise oil p ressure ,especially factory motors or those from engine builders.Lycoming re fers to airframe manufacturer and that isn't much help since that's me. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: oil pressure
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2012
That's about what I have. On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:55 AM, Seano wrote: > 65-75 psi for me on cruise. Hot days 67 cold days 75. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 16, 2012, at 23:06, pilotdds wrote: > >> Can I get some input as to where some of you are running your cruise oil p ressure ,especially factory motors or those from engine builders.Lycoming re fers to airframe manufacturer and that isn't much help since that's me. >> >> >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas)
Date: Jun 17, 2012
You are better off carrying a pork chop. That'll feed him long enough to give you a two step head start. :) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:40 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > When I went to AK I borrowed a shotgun and bought some 00 buckshot shells. I've always wondered if this would have discouraged a bear, or if it just would have made him angrier? > > Bob > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375856#375856 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas)
Date: Jun 17, 2012
On the tv show "Alaska State Troopers"=2C all they carry for bears is a sho tgun. I think I'd alternate 00 buck with slugs. > From: philperry9(at)gmail.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alaska (was bahamas) > Date: Sun=2C 17 Jun 2012 07:39:54 -0500 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > You are better off carrying a pork chop. > > That'll feed him long enough to give you a two step head start. :) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 16=2C 2012=2C at 8:40 PM=2C "Bob Turner" wrote: > > > > > When I went to AK I borrowed a shotgun and bought some 00 buckshot shel ls. I've always wondered if this would have discouraged a bear=2C or if it just would have made him angrier? > > > > Bob > > > > -------- > > Bob Turner > > RV-10 QB > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375856#375856 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mounting rear seat headset jacks
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Todd, Here are the pictures of my install with Abby's interior.... The area under the jack just has one layer of leather, no foam. Then the side panel is at tached . I hope this helps! -Mike Kraus RV-10 flying, but in the paint shop Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Michael Kraus wrot e: > Todd, > That us exactly what I did. I had Abby leave a 2-3" opening in front of t he arm rest. I had her send me some extra leather and glued the leather to t he aluminum side panel where the jacks go, then installed her panel. I have good pictures at home. Here is a picture where you can almost see it. > > I'll try and remember to send you the detail tonight. It turned out reall y nice!! > > -Mike Kraus > RV-10 Flying > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:34 AM, "tsts4" wrote: > >> >> For those with Abby's Flightline interior, how did you mount the rear sea t headphone jacks? I'd like to mount mine on the sides panels in the space r ight in front of the arm rests (there's about 3 inches there). I'm just not s ure how to go about it. Pics would be great as I'm a visual learner. >> >> -------- >> Todd Stovall >> 728TT (reserved) >> RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse >> www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375716#375716 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ========================= > ========================= > ========================= > ========================= >> >> >> > > >
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Subject: Trim tab/elevator noise
From: Steve T <aircraftspecialty(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2012
I posted this on VAF a few weeks ago and got a few responses but wanted to ask on here to see if I get some more perspective. After getting the airplane back from paint, I noticed that when preflighting and moving the elevator I notice a little click coming from the right side as I near full up deflection. I can't recall it being there earlier and on closer investigation it appears that the grommet where the trim cable goes through the stabilizer is shifting ever so slightly as this noise is occuring. That cable is pretty tight and has pretty good bending motions put on it. I am thinking that the grommet has more play in it now and is shifting around a bit and "clicking" I received two responses from VAF where people had the exact same thing. Wondering what the experience of people on here is. Does anyone have this....not have this? I'll definitely try to fix it if it's a problem, but don't want to chase around a demon that doesn't exist. I think I need to start another project. Seems like once done you are looking for things that are wrong to have an excuse to work on it some more :) Thanks again Steve Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: oil pressure
From: pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Thankyou that helps -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:30 am Subject: Re: RV10-List: oil pressure That's about what I have. On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:55 AM, Seano wrote: 65-75 psi for me on cruise. Hot days 67 cold days 75. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2012, at 23:06, pilotdds wrote: Can I get some input as to where some of you are running your cruise oil pr essure ,especially factory motors or those from engine builders.Lycoming re fers to airframe manufacturer and that isn't much help since that's me. 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D -=3D - The RV10-List Email Forum - -=3D Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -=3D the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -=3D Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -=3D Photoshare, and much much more: -=3D -=3D --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List -=3D -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D -=3D - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -=3D Same great content also available via the Web Forums! -=3D -=3D --> http://forums.matronics.com -=3D -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D -=3D - List Contribution Web Site - -=3D Thank you for your generous support! -=3D -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -=3D --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Timothy Meyer <tgmeyerster(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: oil pressure
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Which engine? Which oil do you use? How many quarts? Capacity of oil sump or tank? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:55 AM, Seano wrote: > 65-75 psi for me on cruise. Hot days 67 cold days 75. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 16, 2012, at 23:06, pilotdds wrote: > >> Can I get some input as to where some of you are running your cruise oil p ressure ,especially factory motors or those from engine builders.Lycoming re fers to airframe manufacturer and that isn't much help since that's me. >> >> >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Lower cowl gear leg slot
Date: Jun 17, 2012
For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the lower cowl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you just leave it open? Carl 9 hours - still tweaking the gear leg fairings ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Jun 17, 2012
I Installed a plate -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:30 PM, "Carl Froehlich" w rote: > For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the lower c owl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you just leave i t open? > > Carl > 9 hours =93 still tweaking the gear leg fairings > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Carl, I left the nose gear leg opening....open. Cooling has been fine Bob Newman N541RV 70hrs From: Carl Froehlich Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the lower cowl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you just leave it open? Carl 9 hours =93 still tweaking the gear leg fairings ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Lower cowl gear leg slot
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Thanks. First 9 hours I had a plate installed. I do a few hours without it and see if there is any difference. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:38 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot Carl, I left the nose gear leg opening....open. Cooling has been fine Bob Newman N541RV 70hrs From: Carl Froehlich <mailto:carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the lower cowl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you just leave it open? Carl 9 hours =93 still tweaking the gear leg fairings href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2012
I added one last year. Not sure what to think on temps....they may actually be higher now, but I need more time with it to tell. Tim On Jun 17, 2012, at 1:52 PM, "Carl Froehlich" w rote: > Thanks. > > First 9 hours I had a plate installed. I do a few hours without it and se e if there is any difference. > > Carl > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:38 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot > > Carl, I left the nose gear leg opening....open. Cooling has been fin e > > Bob Newman > N541RV > 70hrs > > From: Carl Froehlich > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:30 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot > > For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the lower c owl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you just leave i t open? > > Carl > 9 hours =93 still tweaking the gear leg fairings > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Trim tab/elevator noise
Date: Jun 17, 2012
I have various slight clicks or moans from the cables, everything moves fine, not worried. I will check the system at annuals though. -Chris N919AR Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve T Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:59 AM Subject: RV10-List: Trim tab/elevator noise I posted this on VAF a few weeks ago and got a few responses but wanted to ask on here to see if I get some more perspective. After getting the airplane back from paint, I noticed that when preflighting and moving the elevator I notice a little click coming from the right side as I near full up deflection. I can't recall it being there earlier and on closer investigation it appears that the grommet where the trim cable goes through the stabilizer is shifting ever so slightly as this noise is occuring. That cable is pretty tight and has pretty good bending motions put on it. I am thinking that the grommet has more play in it now and is shifting around a bit and "clicking" I received two responses from VAF where people had the exact same thing. Wondering what the experience of people on here is. Does anyone have this....not have this? I'll definitely try to fix it if it's a problem, but don't want to chase around a demon that doesn't exist. I think I need to start another project. Seems like once done you are looking for things that are wrong to have an excuse to work on it some more :) Thanks again Steve Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Subject: AHRS OP-48 Kit
From: Vernon Franklin <vernon.franklin(at)gmail.com>
Has anyone successfully used the OP-48 AHRS kit with Dynon AHRS? The instructions specifically mention GRT and Garmin; no mention of Dynon. So I do not know if it is just going to be a matter of drilling new mount points, or I should send it back. Anyone have any thoughts? -- Vernon Franklin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Just back from a run with the forward gear leg slot cover removed. I ran the same test pattern as my earlier flight of the day to get reasonable comparison data. OAT was warmer (80) on the second run however. I have a stock Van=99s engine and Hartzell prop. Climb out (full throttle climb, 140kts, to 6500=99. CHTs 10-15 degrees cooler with the slot cover removed. With the cover on #6 at 430, then #5 at 420 and the rest at 400 or below. With the cover off #6 hottest at 420, #5 at 410, rest below 400. CHTs in level flight =93 not much difference, perhaps slightly cooler with the cover off. CHTs range from 370 to 390. Oil temp =93 I have had the oil air butterfly door full open for climb, and perhaps half shut in level flight to keep oil temp around 190 or so. If anything I would say there is less air for the cooler with the cover off =93 but no practical difference. I suspect this reflects a reduce pressure drop across the cooler with the cover off as the lower cowl exit area has more air flow. I did not use the Van=99s oil mount - I have the cooler mounted horizontally on the firewall. Speed. 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2400 RPM ROP, TAS 184kts cover on, 181kts cover off. LOP run, 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2350 RPM, TAS 168kts cover on (12.2gph), 170kts cover off(12.5gph). I suspect this result reflects the slightly higher fuel flow for the second data run. 11.5 hours on the 10 now. Here are a few notes for those getting ready for first flight: 1. Tighten the nose gear nut after the first couple of landings. I did mine at 9 hours and it was way loose. The 9th hour landing nose gear feedback (shimmy) was pronounced. 2. While there has been a lot of discussion on the list about greasing the prop, recommend you at least do the =9Cafter the first hour=9D greasing as discussed in the Hartwell manual. 3. I have a GTN-650 and a PS Engineering Audio panel. It turns out Garmin has a software problem that screws up mic audio gain if you use one of these panels. There is a fix, but you have to go to a Garmin dealer to get it (and then it still does not work as good as it should). I=99d still much rather have an updated GX-60 and a SL-30 combo instead of this over priced box. 4. I=99m on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings. They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right. First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right side. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was in the center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants and fairing off the ball is dead center. 5. Rigging. It took six months of chasing my tail to get the rigging right on the 8A (easier once I broke the code). The 10 was dead on right out of the box. 6. Elevator trim. Remember that half way in not neutral. Make sure you know where neutral really is on the panel, start there and then figure out your setting you want for takeoff. 28.5 more hours and then a long awaited western trip this fall. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:53 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot Thanks. First 9 hours I had a plate installed. I do a few hours without it and see if there is any difference. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:38 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot Carl, I left the nose gear leg opening....open. Cooling has been fine Bob Newman N541RV 70hrs From: Carl Froehlich <mailto:carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the lower cowl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you just leave it open? Carl 9 hours =93 still tweaking the gear leg fairings href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 17, 2012
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: AHRS OP-48 Kit
You do not want to use it for Dynon, because their AHRS include a magnetometer which will respond to the elevator bellcrank rod ends, as well as the autopilot pitch servo. I am going to use mine for mounting ELT, because it seems sturdier than the ELT mount Vans sells. On 6/17/2012 3:53 PM, Vernon Franklin wrote: > Has anyone successfully used the OP-48 AHRS kit with Dynon AHRS? > > The instructions specifically mention GRT and Garmin; no mention of > Dynon. > So I do not know if it is just going to be a matter of drilling new > mount points, or I should send it back. > > Anyone have any thoughts? > > -- > Vernon Franklin > > * > > > * ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Garmin / PSE issue
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Carl, Can you elaborate more on the GTN650 issue? Do you have a Garmin doc that d etails the update? I'm about 6-8 weeks from first flight and have the same g ear in my panel. Thanks, Bob Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2012, at 7:11 PM, "Carl Froehlich" w rote: > Just back from a run with the forward gear leg slot cover removed. I ran t he same test pattern as my earlier flight of the day to get reasonable compa rison data. OAT was warmer (80) on the second run however. I have a stock V an=99s engine and Hartzell prop. > > Climb out (full throttle climb, 140kts, to 6500=99. CHTs 10-15 degr ees cooler with the slot cover removed. With the cover on #6 at 430, then # 5 at 420 and the rest at 400 or below. With the cover off #6 hottest at 420 , #5 at 410, rest below 400. > CHTs in level flight =93 not much difference, perhaps slightly coole r with the cover off. CHTs range from 370 to 390. > > Oil temp =93 I have had the oil air butterfly door full open for cli mb, and perhaps half shut in level flight to keep oil temp around 190 or so. If anything I would say there is less air for the cooler with the cover of f =93 but no practical difference. I suspect this reflects a reduce p ressure drop across the cooler with the cover off as the lower cowl exit are a has more air flow. I did not use the Van=99s oil mount - I have th e cooler mounted horizontally on the firewall. > > Speed. 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2400 RPM ROP, TAS 184kts cover on, 1 81kts cover off. > > LOP run, 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2350 RPM, TAS 168kts cover on (12.2 gph), 170kts cover off(12.5gph). I suspect this result reflects the slightl y higher fuel flow for the second data run. > > 11.5 hours on the 10 now. Here are a few notes for those getting ready fo r first flight: > 1. Tighten the nose gear nut after the first couple of landings. I d id mine at 9 hours and it was way loose. The 9th hour landing nose gear fee dback (shimmy) was pronounced. > 2. While there has been a lot of discussion on the list about greasin g the prop, recommend you at least do the =9Cafter the first hour =9D greasing as discussed in the Hartwell manual. > 3. I have a GTN-650 and a PS Engineering Audio panel. It turns out G armin has a software problem that screws up mic audio gain if you use one of these panels. There is a fix, but you have to go to a Garmin dealer to get it (and then it still does not work as good as it should). I=99d sti ll much rather have an updated GX-60 and a SL-30 combo instead of this over p riced box. > 4. I=99m on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings. They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get rig ht. First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right si de. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was in the center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants and fairing o ff the ball is dead center. > 5. Rigging. It took six months of chasing my tail to get the rigging right on the 8A (easier once I broke the code). The 10 was dead on right o ut of the box. > 6. Elevator trim. Remember that half way in not neutral. Make sure y ou know where neutral really is on the panel, start there and then figure ou t your setting you want for takeoff. > > 28.5 more hours and then a long awaited western trip this fall. > Carl > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Garmin / PSE issue
Date: Jun 17, 2012
The associated Garmin Service Bulletin is attached. There fix is =9Cversion 2.01=9D of the communication software. Again =93 the fix makes it better but it is still not what it should be. Carl SERVICE ADVISORY NO.: 1123 Rev A DATE: May 13, 2011 SUBJECT: GTN 635/650/750 Units and COM Transmit Audio Issue AFFECTED PRODUCTS GTN 635, 650, and 750 Units with Com software version 2.00. DESCRIPTION When interfaced with certain Apollo, PS Engineering, and Bendix/King Audio Panels, the GTN Com radio transmitted audio volume has been reported as low but still audible both to the pilot (sidetone audio) and to the listener (ATC, other aircraft, etc.) of the radio transmission. This low volume persists for about 3.5 seconds after the push-to-talk key is pressed; after that the volume increases to normal. RESOLUTION Garmin plans to correct this issue in a later software version. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: RV10-List: Garmin / PSE issue Carl, Can you elaborate more on the GTN650 issue? Do you have a Garmin doc that details the update? I'm about 6-8 weeks from first flight and have the same gear in my panel. Thanks, Bob Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2012, at 7:11 PM, "Carl Froehlich" wrote: Just back from a run with the forward gear leg slot cover removed. I ran the same test pattern as my earlier flight of the day to get reasonable comparison data. OAT was warmer (80) on the second run however. I have a stock Van=99s engine and Hartzell prop. Climb out (full throttle climb, 140kts, to 6500=99. CHTs 10-15 degrees cooler with the slot cover removed. With the cover on #6 at 430, then #5 at 420 and the rest at 400 or below. With the cover off #6 hottest at 420, #5 at 410, rest below 400. CHTs in level flight =93 not much difference, perhaps slightly cooler with the cover off. CHTs range from 370 to 390. Oil temp =93 I have had the oil air butterfly door full open for climb, and perhaps half shut in level flight to keep oil temp around 190 or so. If anything I would say there is less air for the cooler with the cover off =93 but no practical difference. I suspect this reflects a reduce pressure drop across the cooler with the cover off as the lower cowl exit area has more air flow. I did not use the Van=99s oil mount - I have the cooler mounted horizontally on the firewall. Speed. 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2400 RPM ROP, TAS 184kts cover on, 181kts cover off. LOP run, 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2350 RPM, TAS 168kts cover on (12.2gph), 170kts cover off(12.5gph). I suspect this result reflects the slightly higher fuel flow for the second data run. 11.5 hours on the 10 now. Here are a few notes for those getting ready for first flight: 1. Tighten the nose gear nut after the first couple of landings. I did mine at 9 hours and it was way loose. The 9th hour landing nose gear feedback (shimmy) was pronounced. 2. While there has been a lot of discussion on the list about greasing the prop, recommend you at least do the =9Cafter the first hour=9D greasing as discussed in the Hartwell manual. 3. I have a GTN-650 and a PS Engineering Audio panel. It turns out Garmin has a software problem that screws up mic audio gain if you use one of these panels. There is a fix, but you have to go to a Garmin dealer to get it (and then it still does not work as good as it should). I=99d still much rather have an updated GX-60 and a SL-30 combo instead of this over priced box. 4. I=99m on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings. They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right. First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right side. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was in the center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants and fairing off the ball is dead center. 5. Rigging. It took six months of chasing my tail to get the rigging right on the 8A (easier once I broke the code). The 10 was dead on right out of the box. 6. Elevator trim. Remember that half way in not neutral. Make sure you know where neutral really is on the panel, start there and then figure out your setting you want for takeoff. 28.5 more hours and then a long awaited western trip this fall. Carl ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Garmin / PSE issue
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Does it impact all PSE models or just one? Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Carl Froehlich" w rote: > The associated Garmin Service Bulletin is attached. > > There fix is =9Cversion 2.01=9D of the communication software. Again =93 the fix makes it better but it is still not what it should be. > > Carl > > SERVICE ADVISORY > NO.: 1123 Rev A > TO: Dealers and Owners/Operators with GTN 635/650/750 Units > DATE: May 13, 2011 > SUBJECT: GTN 635/650/750 Units and COM Transmit Audio Issue > AFFECTED PRODUCTS > GTN 635, 650, and 750 Units with Com software version 2.00. > DESCRIPTION > When interfaced with certain Apollo, PS Engineering, and Bendix/King Audio Panels, the GTN Com radio > transmitted audio volume has been reported as low but still audible both t o the pilot (sidetone audio) and > to the listener (ATC, other aircraft, etc.) of the radio transmission. Thi s low volume persists for about 3.5 > seconds after the push-to-talk key is pressed; after that the volume incre ases to normal. > RESOLUTION > Garmin plans to correct this issue in a later software version. > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 7:27 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Garmin / PSE issue > > Carl, > > Can you elaborate more on the GTN650 issue? Do you have a Garmin doc that details the update? I'm about 6-8 weeks from first flight and have the sam e gear in my panel. > > Thanks, > > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 17, 2012, at 7:11 PM, "Carl Froehlich" wrote: > > Just back from a run with the forward gear leg slot cover removed. I ran t he same test pattern as my earlier flight of the day to get reasonable compa rison data. OAT was warmer (80) on the second run however. I have a stock V an=99s engine and Hartzell prop. > > Climb out (full throttle climb, 140kts, to 6500=99. CHTs 10-15 degr ees cooler with the slot cover removed. With the cover on #6 at 430, then # 5 at 420 and the rest at 400 or below. With the cover off #6 hottest at 420 , #5 at 410, rest below 400. > CHTs in level flight =93 not much difference, perhaps slightly coole r with the cover off. CHTs range from 370 to 390. > > Oil temp =93 I have had the oil air butterfly door full open for cli mb, and perhaps half shut in level flight to keep oil temp around 190 or so. If anything I would say there is less air for the cooler with the cover of f =93 but no practical difference. I suspect this reflects a reduce p ressure drop across the cooler with the cover off as the lower cowl exit are a has more air flow. I did not use the Van=99s oil mount - I have th e cooler mounted horizontally on the firewall. > > Speed. 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2400 RPM ROP, TAS 184kts cover on, 1 81kts cover off. > > LOP run, 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2350 RPM, TAS 168kts cover on (12.2 gph), 170kts cover off(12.5gph). I suspect this result reflects the slightl y higher fuel flow for the second data run. > > 11.5 hours on the 10 now. Here are a few notes for those getting ready fo r first flight: > 1. Tighten the nose gear nut after the first couple of landings. I d id mine at 9 hours and it was way loose. The 9th hour landing nose gear fee dback (shimmy) was pronounced. > 2. While there has been a lot of discussion on the list about greasi ng the prop, recommend you at least do the =9Cafter the first hour =9D greasing as discussed in the Hartwell manual. > 3. I have a GTN-650 and a PS Engineering Audio panel. It turns out G armin has a software problem that screws up mic audio gain if you use one of these panels. There is a fix, but you have to go to a Garmin dealer to get it (and then it still does not work as good as it should). I=99d sti ll much rather have an updated GX-60 and a SL-30 combo instead of this over p riced box. > 4. I=99m on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and le g fairings. They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get ri ght. First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right s ide. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was in th e center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants and fairing off the ball is dead center. > 5. Rigging. It took six months of chasing my tail to get the riggin g right on the 8A (easier once I broke the code). The 10 was dead on right o ut of the box. > 6. Elevator trim. Remember that half way in not neutral. Make sure you know where neutral really is on the panel, start there and then figure o ut your setting you want for takeoff. > > 28.5 more hours and then a long awaited western trip this fall. > Carl > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Garmin / PSE issue
Date: Jun 17, 2012
Don=99t know =93 but I have the PMA 7000B. Recommend calling the PSE service line and ask about your panel =93 they are very familiar with this problem. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:42 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin / PSE issue Does it impact all PSE models or just one? Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Carl Froehlich" wrote: The associated Garmin Service Bulletin is attached. There fix is =9Cversion 2.01=9D of the communication software. Again =93 the fix makes it better but it is still not what it should be. Carl SERVICE ADVISORY NO.: 1123 Rev A DATE: May 13, 2011 SUBJECT: GTN 635/650/750 Units and COM Transmit Audio Issue AFFECTED PRODUCTS GTN 635, 650, and 750 Units with Com software version 2.00. DESCRIPTION When interfaced with certain Apollo, PS Engineering, and Bendix/King Audio Panels, the GTN Com radio transmitted audio volume has been reported as low but still audible both to the pilot (sidetone audio) and to the listener (ATC, other aircraft, etc.) of the radio transmission. This low volume persists for about 3.5 seconds after the push-to-talk key is pressed; after that the volume increases to normal. RESOLUTION Garmin plans to correct this issue in a later software version. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: RV10-List: Garmin / PSE issue Carl, Can you elaborate more on the GTN650 issue? Do you have a Garmin doc that details the update? I'm about 6-8 weeks from first flight and have the same gear in my panel. Thanks, Bob Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2012, at 7:11 PM, "Carl Froehlich" wrote: Just back from a run with the forward gear leg slot cover removed. I ran the same test pattern as my earlier flight of the day to get reasonable comparison data. OAT was warmer (80) on the second run however. I have a stock Van=99s engine and Hartzell prop. Climb out (full throttle climb, 140kts, to 6500=99. CHTs 10-15 degrees cooler with the slot cover removed. With the cover on #6 at 430, then #5 at 420 and the rest at 400 or below. With the cover off #6 hottest at 420, #5 at 410, rest below 400. CHTs in level flight =93 not much difference, perhaps slightly cooler with the cover off. CHTs range from 370 to 390. Oil temp =93 I have had the oil air butterfly door full open for climb, and perhaps half shut in level flight to keep oil temp around 190 or so. If anything I would say there is less air for the cooler with the cover off =93 but no practical difference. I suspect this reflects a reduce pressure drop across the cooler with the cover off as the lower cowl exit area has more air flow. I did not use the Van=99s oil mount - I have the cooler mounted horizontally on the firewall. Speed. 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2400 RPM ROP, TAS 184kts cover on, 181kts cover off. LOP run, 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2350 RPM, TAS 168kts cover on (12.2gph), 170kts cover off(12.5gph). I suspect this result reflects the slightly higher fuel flow for the second data run. 11.5 hours on the 10 now. Here are a few notes for those getting ready for first flight: 1. Tighten the nose gear nut after the first couple of landings. I did mine at 9 hours and it was way loose. The 9th hour landing nose gear feedback (shimmy) was pronounced. 2. While there has been a lot of discussion on the list about greasing the prop, recommend you at least do the =9Cafter the first hour=9D greasing as discussed in the Hartwell manual. 3. I have a GTN-650 and a PS Engineering Audio panel. It turns out Garmin has a software problem that screws up mic audio gain if you use one of these panels. There is a fix, but you have to go to a Garmin dealer to get it (and then it still does not work as good as it should). I=99d still much rather have an updated GX-60 and a SL-30 combo instead of this over priced box. 4. I=99m on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings. They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right. First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right side. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was in the center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants and fairing off the ball is dead center. 5. Rigging. It took six months of chasing my tail to get the rigging right on the 8A (easier once I broke the code). The 10 was dead on right out of the box. 6. Elevator trim. Remember that half way in not neutral. Make sure you know where neutral really is on the panel, start there and then figure out your setting you want for takeoff. 28.5 more hours and then a long awaited western trip this fall. Carl http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Autopilot Service Bulletin - update
From: Etandrews <etandrews(at)westnet.com.au>
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Everyone, I was sent this info re Trio All Gold servos, by a friend yesterday, that ma y apply to some of you Regards Evan 40379 flying VH-OSH > Trio Avionics has issued a service bulletin on the Gold Standard servo. P lease see http://www.trioavionics.com/Field_Change.htm > Note this sentence - If you find that the pin protrudes more than 1/16 in ch out of the hub, notify the factory of the servo serial number and return t he servo for service =93 > The =98pin=99 referred to is the existing one going through th e shaft & collar on the other side of the hub/crank-arm. Please contact th em on +1 619 448 4619 > The Service Bulletin applies to ALL =98GOLD=99 servos i.e. Ele vator & Aileron. There is an existing hole in the servo shaft that you will need to put the split pin in. Shaft is approx. 8mm in diameter (washer) a nd hole for split pin is 3mm. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gordon Anderson <mregoan(at)hispeed.ch>
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot
Date: Jun 18, 2012
One point I have read is that for ideal air cooling, (high flow, low drag), the bottom of the firewall should be well rounded - rather than leaving the firewall flange sticking forward into the airflow. I have only found one inconclusive reference to this idea in the RV-10 archive, but some discussion of it in reference to RV.6 on VAF and a great photo: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/241/outletrampcb0.jpg/ It would seem fairly simple to attach a curved fairing while riveting the firewall flange. Has anyone tried this on the -10 and got some numbers to prove or disprove the theory? Gordon 41015, Switzerland Firewall furnishing and a thousand other little jobs > From: Carl Froehlich > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:30 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot > > For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the lower cowl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you just leave it open? > > Carl > 9 hours ' still tweaking the gear leg fairings ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot
From: James McGrew <jsmcgrew(at)alum.mit.edu>
I tried taping it up with aluminum tape. I didn't see any difference in temp and decided not to build a plate. This is with a slot that I have lengthened by 2 1/4 inches beyond stock to ease installation of the bottom cowl. -Jim On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the lower > cowl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you just > leave it open?**** > > > Carl**** > > 9 hours ' still tweaking the gear leg fairings**** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2012
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results
RE #4: "4. Im on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings. They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right. First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right side. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was in the center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants and fairing off the ball is dead center. " I've found that a jab of the rudder pedal one way or the other will often leave it settled in at a new trim point. I've also had happen to me, and others have as well, the nosewheel doesn't trail perfectly straight. Some of this will likely affect your ability to get the ball to center all of the time. I'm guessing that with the nosewheel tightened up well so that it doesn't shimmy, it has some stiction that keeps it in trail at whatever angle, so the stab of the rudder pedal may or may not shift the nosewheel to a new stiction point. At any rate, having rudder trim makes it easy to trim out, but I definitely don't ALWAYS have the same neutral rudder trim position. Tim On 6/17/2012 6:11 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > Just back from a run with the forward gear leg slot cover removed. I > ran the same test pattern as my earlier flight of the day to get > reasonable comparison data. OAT was warmer (80) on the second run > however. I have a stock Vans engine and Hartzell prop. > > Climb out (full throttle climb, 140kts, to 6500. CHTs 10-15 degrees > cooler with the slot cover removed. With the cover on #6 at 430, then > #5 at 420 and the rest at 400 or below. With the cover off #6 hottest > at 420, #5 at 410, rest below 400. > > CHTs in level flight not much difference, perhaps slightly cooler with > the cover off. CHTs range from 370 to 390. > > Oil temp I have had the oil air butterfly door full open for climb, > and perhaps half shut in level flight to keep oil temp around 190 or > so. If anything I would say there is less air for the cooler with the > cover off but no practical difference. I suspect this reflects a > reduce pressure drop across the cooler with the cover off as the lower > cowl exit area has more air flow. I did not use the Vans oil mount - > I have the cooler mounted horizontally on the firewall. > > Speed. 6500, 23.5, 2400 RPM ROP, TAS 184kts cover on, 181kts cover off. > > LOP run, 6500, 23.5, 2350 RPM, TAS 168kts cover on (12.2gph), 170kts > cover off(12.5gph). I suspect this result reflects the slightly higher > fuel flow for the second data run. > > 11.5 hours on the 10 now. Here are a few notes for those getting ready > for first flight: > > 1.Tighten the nose gear nut after the first couple of landings. I did > mine at 9 hours and it was way loose. The 9^th hour landing nose gear > feedback (shimmy) was pronounced. > > 2.While there has been a lot of discussion on the list about greasing > the prop, recommend you at least do the after the first hour greasing > as discussed in the Hartwell manual. > > 3.I have a GTN-650 and a PS Engineering Audio panel. It turns out > Garmin has a software problem that screws up mic audio gain if you use > one of these panels. There is a fix, but you have to go to a Garmin > dealer to get it (and then it still does not work as good as it > should). Id still much rather have an updated GX-60 and a SL-30 combo > instead of this over priced box. > > 4.Im on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings. > They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right. > First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right > side. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was > in the center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants > and fairing off the ball is dead center. > > 5.Rigging. It took six months of chasing my tail to get the rigging > right on the 8A (easier once I broke the code). The 10 was dead on > right out of the box. > > 6.Elevator trim. Remember that half way in not neutral. Make sure you > know where neutral really is on the panel, start there and then figure > out your setting you want for takeoff. > > 28.5 more hours and then a long awaited western trip this fall. > > Carl > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Froehlich > *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:53 PM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot > > Thanks. > > First 9 hours I had a plate installed. I do a few hours without it and > see if there is any difference. > > Carl > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *bob-tcw > *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:38 PM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot > > Carl, I left the nose gear leg opening....open. Cooling has been fine > > Bob Newman > > N541RV > > 70hrs > > *From:*Carl Froehlich > > *Sent:*Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:30 PM > > *To:*rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > *Subject:*RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot > > For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the > lower cowl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you > just leave it open? > > > Carl > > 9 hours still tweaking the gear leg fairings > > * * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Date: Jun 18, 2012
My experience is the same. It could be that aerodynamically the 26 lbs of force to pivot the nose wheel side to side is just the right amount to avoid a shimmy but keep the nose wheel in perfect trail while cruising. In practice, I think it's almost impossible to get the 26 lbs required, and certainly is impossible to keep it. I usually tighten to the flat (with the cotter pin hole lined up) that provides a fair amount of pivot drag, but never measure the force any more. Also, when I am trimming the rudder, I trim a little, then tap on that pedal to see where the ball settles. I never pay attention to the position of my rudder trim tab. It isn't big enough to cause a dangerous situation if it is way out of trim at takeoff. The same goes for my aileron trim, since neither of them have a position sensor, although I can see the aileron trim tab in flight and it usually is only less than 10% out of trail to keep things flying level. The elevator trim is definitely big enough to cause a problem if it's way out, so I always trim that to a little bit nose down of center for takeoff, then I adjust for climb based on how I am loaded and how I need to climb for CHT's and Oil Temp. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > RE #4: > "4. Im on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings. They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right. First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right side. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was in the center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants and fairing off the ball is dead center. " > > I've found that a jab of the rudder pedal one way or the other > will often leave it settled in at a new trim point. I've also > had happen to me, and others have as well, the nosewheel doesn't > trail perfectly straight. Some of this will likely affect > your ability to get the ball to center all of the time. I'm > guessing that with the nosewheel tightened up well so that it > doesn't shimmy, it has some stiction that keeps it in trail > at whatever angle, so the stab of the rudder pedal may or may not > shift the nosewheel to a new stiction point. At any rate, having > rudder trim makes it easy to trim out, but I definitely don't > ALWAYS have the same neutral rudder trim position. > > Tim > > > > On 6/17/2012 6:11 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: >> Just back from a run with the forward gear leg slot cover removed. I >> ran the same test pattern as my earlier flight of the day to get >> reasonable comparison data. OAT was warmer (80) on the second run >> however. I have a stock Vans engine and Hartzell prop. >> >> Climb out (full throttle climb, 140kts, to 6500. CHTs 10-15 degrees >> cooler with the slot cover removed. With the cover on #6 at 430, then >> #5 at 420 and the rest at 400 or below. With the cover off #6 hottest >> at 420, #5 at 410, rest below 400. >> >> CHTs in level flight not much difference, perhaps slightly cooler with >> the cover off. CHTs range from 370 to 390. >> >> Oil temp I have had the oil air butterfly door full open for climb, >> and perhaps half shut in level flight to keep oil temp around 190 or >> so. If anything I would say there is less air for the cooler with the >> cover off but no practical difference. I suspect this reflects a >> reduce pressure drop across the cooler with the cover off as the lower >> cowl exit area has more air flow. I did not use the Vans oil mount - >> I have the cooler mounted horizontally on the firewall. >> >> Speed. 6500, 23.5, 2400 RPM ROP, TAS 184kts cover on, 181kts cover off. >> >> LOP run, 6500, 23.5, 2350 RPM, TAS 168kts cover on (12.2gph), 170kts >> cover off(12.5gph). I suspect this result reflects the slightly higher >> fuel flow for the second data run. >> >> 11.5 hours on the 10 now. Here are a few notes for those getting ready >> for first flight: >> >> 1.Tighten the nose gear nut after the first couple of landings. I did >> mine at 9 hours and it was way loose. The 9^th hour landing nose gear >> feedback (shimmy) was pronounced. >> >> 2.While there has been a lot of discussion on the list about greasing >> the prop, recommend you at least do the after the first hour greasing >> as discussed in the Hartwell manual. >> >> 3.I have a GTN-650 and a PS Engineering Audio panel. It turns out >> Garmin has a software problem that screws up mic audio gain if you use >> one of these panels. There is a fix, but you have to go to a Garmin >> dealer to get it (and then it still does not work as good as it >> should). Id still much rather have an updated GX-60 and a SL-30 combo >> instead of this over priced box. >> >> 4.Im on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings. >> They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right. >> First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right >> side. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was >> in the center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants >> and fairing off the ball is dead center. >> >> 5.Rigging. It took six months of chasing my tail to get the rigging >> right on the 8A (easier once I broke the code). The 10 was dead on >> right out of the box. >> >> 6.Elevator trim. Remember that half way in not neutral. Make sure you >> know where neutral really is on the panel, start there and then figure >> out your setting you want for takeoff. >> >> 28.5 more hours and then a long awaited western trip this fall. >> >> Carl >> >> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Froehlich >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:53 PM >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot >> >> Thanks. >> >> First 9 hours I had a plate installed. I do a few hours without it and >> see if there is any difference. >> >> Carl >> >> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *bob-tcw >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:38 PM >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot >> >> Carl, I left the nose gear leg opening....open. Cooling has been fine >> >> Bob Newman >> >> N541RV >> >> 70hrs >> >> *From:*Carl Froehlich >> >> *Sent:*Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:30 PM >> >> *To:*rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> >> *Subject:*RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot >> >> For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the >> lower cowl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you >> just leave it open? >> >> >> Carl >> >> 9 hours still tweaking the gear leg fairings >> >> * * > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas)
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
I know it is difficult for those in other cultures to comprehend, but the US does not require a license to own or carry a gun, unless you want to carry it concealed. While guns in recent years are registered when purchased from a dealer, there is no accounting for guns that existed from around 50 or more years ago, and no tracking of private sales of guns. We have this little artifact of history, that guns enabled our country to escape from a tyrannical (perhaps alleged) king. So a right was established in our constitution allowing us to own and bear arms. Which means that we can mount a gun rack in or outside our RV-10s if that is our desire. But such modifications slow down the build process. ;-) On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:13 AM, John MacCallum wrote: > > I don't have a problem with people protecting themselves from wild animals > if they have a licence for the gun and > a reason to have the gun. If I was going bush in Alaska for days on end I > would probably want a gun as well! I would not > live off the native wildlife as a matter of choice but I can see where you > may have too! > > John MacCallum > VH-DUU > RV 10 # 41016 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results
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From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas)
Date: Jun 18, 2012
I have a problem with those that flaunt their guns in public. Just because you can care a weapon to a rally to see the president speak or walk down th e middle of a subdivision carrying an AR-15=2C that doesn't mean that is pr udent to do so. Like a lot of things in life.....you have to use common sen se. If you feel the need to carry=2C then get the permit to do so like all the rest of us! > Date: Mon=2C 18 Jun 2012 07:35:46 -0700 > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alaska (was bahamas) > From: apilot2(at)gmail.com > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > I know it is difficult for those in other cultures to comprehend=2C but > the US does not require a license to own or carry a gun=2C unless you > want to carry it concealed. While guns in recent years are registered > when purchased from a dealer=2C there is no accounting for guns that > existed from around 50 or more years ago=2C and no tracking of private > sales of guns. We have this little artifact of history=2C that guns > enabled our country to escape from a tyrannical (perhaps alleged) > king. So a right was established in our constitution allowing us to > own and bear arms. Which means that we can mount a gun rack in or > outside our RV-10s if that is our desire. But such modifications slow > down the build process. =3B-) > > On Mon=2C Jun 18=2C 2012 at 1:13 AM=2C John MacCallum > wrote: nd.com> > > > > I don't have a problem with people protecting themselves from wild anim als > > if they have a licence for the gun and > > a reason to have the gun. If I was going bush in Alaska for days on end I > > would probably want a gun as well! I would not > > live off the native wildlife as a matter of choice but I can see where you > > may have too! > > > > John MacCallum > > VH-DUU > > RV 10 # 41016 > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas)
Date: Jun 18, 2012
It certainly does slow the build process but not as much as a permanent mount and an approriate gun sight for those pesky Cessnas in the pattern. "switchin to guns" -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:36 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alaska (was bahamas) I know it is difficult for those in other cultures to comprehend, but the US does not require a license to own or carry a gun, unless you want to carry it concealed. While guns in recent years are registered when purchased from a dealer, there is no accounting for guns that existed from around 50 or more years ago, and no tracking of private sales of guns. We have this little artifact of history, that guns enabled our country to escape from a tyrannical (perhaps alleged) king. So a right was established in our constitution allowing us to own and bear arms. Which means that we can mount a gun rack in or outside our RV-10s if that is our desire. But such modifications slow down the build process. ;-) On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:13 AM, John MacCallum wrote: > --> > > I don't have a problem with people protecting themselves from wild > animals if they have a licence for the gun and a reason to have the > gun. If I was going bush in Alaska for days on end I would probably > want a gun as well! I would not live off the native wildlife as a > matter of choice but I can see where you may have too! > > John MacCallum > VH-DUU > RV 10 # 41016 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Subject: Re: Nonsense (WAS Airplane Building and Flying)
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
How about them Red Sox!!! On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM, DLM wrote: > ** > > It certainly does slow the build process but not as much as a permanent > mount and an approriate gun sight for those pesky Cessnas in the pattern. > "switchin to guns" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] > On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:36 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alaska (was bahamas) > > > I know it is difficult for those in other cultures to comprehend, but the > US does not require a license to own or carry a gun, unless you want to > carry it concealed. While guns in recent years are registered when > purchased from a dealer, there is no accounting for guns that existed from > around 50 or more years ago, and no tracking of private sales of guns. We > have this little artifact of history, that guns enabled our country to > escape from a tyrannical (perhaps alleged) king. So a right was established > in our constitution allowing us to own and bear arms. Which means that we > can mount a gun rack in or outside our RV-10s if that is our desire. But > such modifications slow down the build process. ;-) > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:13 AM, John MacCallum < > john.maccallum(at)bigpond.com> wrote: > > --> > > > > I don't have a problem with people protecting themselves from wild > > animals if they have a licence for the gun and a reason to have the > > gun. If I was going bush in Alaska for days on end I would probably > > want a gun as well! I would not live off the native wildlife as a > > matter of choice but I can see where you may have too! > > > > John MacCallum > > VH-DUU > > RV 10 # Navigator much much href=" > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronicp; > the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; href=" > http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> > http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Nonsense (WAS Airplane Building and Flying)
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Thanks Deems. I was beginning to think I had inadvertently logged on to something other than an RV-10 forum. :? BTW, did you see my info on VAF about the leaking Newton fuel caps? It seems that I've found the fix. New o ring for the center shaft of the cap mechanism. This requires taking the cap apart, and unless you have, or can fashion, a tool to get the red piece off without damaging it, will also require a new red piece. Contact Robin Voice at Newton SPRL http://www.newtonsprl.co.uk/index.html and he will send you the parts. He is going to be at Oshkosh next month and will bring some parts with him, if you are planning to attend. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376010#376010 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Subject: Re:Guns (was Alaska )
From: James McGrew <jsmcgrew(at)alum.mit.edu>
Let's stick to airplanes. Google is starting to show me adds based on this off topic discussion. -Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2012
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas)
They didn't have those in the stock Van's optional kits when you built? :-P On 6/18/2012 11:40 AM, DLM wrote: > > It certainly does slow the build process but not as much as a > permanent mount and an approriate gun sight for those pesky Cessnas in > the pattern. > "switchin to guns" > > ** ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2012
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Nonsense (WAS Airplane Building and Flying)
Sounds like Heat and Thunder to me after them Spurs and Celtics ran out of gas. On 6/18/2012 11:53 AM, Deems Davis wrote: > How about them Red Sox!!! > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM, DLM > wrote: > > It certainly does slow the build process but not as much as a > permanent mount and an approriate gun sight for those pesky > Cessnas in the pattern. > "switchin to guns" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly > McMullen > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:36 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alaska (was bahamas) > > > > > I know it is difficult for those in other cultures to comprehend, > but the US does not require a license to own or carry a gun, > unless you want to carry it concealed. While guns in recent years > are registered when purchased from a dealer, there is no > accounting for guns that existed from around 50 or more years ago, > and no tracking of private sales of guns. We have this little > artifact of history, that guns enabled our country to escape from > a tyrannical (perhaps alleged) king. So a right was established in > our constitution allowing us to own and bear arms. Which means > that we can mount a gun rack in or outside our RV-10s if that is > our desire. But such modifications slow down the build process. ;-) > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:13 AM, John MacCallum > > > wrote: > > --> > > > > > I don't have a problem with people protecting themselves from wild > > animals if they have a licence for the gun and a reason to have the > > gun. If I was going bush in Alaska for days on end I would probably > > want a gun as well! I would not live off the native wildlife as a > > matter of choice but I can see where you may have too! > > > > John MacCallum > > VH-DUU > > RV 10 # Navigator much much > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronicp; > the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > > > * ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Autopilot Service Bulletin - update
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Just to be clear, Trio is recommending you put a washer and cotter pin (hole already exists) onto the end of the servo shaft, so that should the arm come loose it won't fall off its shaft, land somewhere and possibly jam. Even though it wasn't in the instructions, I though this was so obvious that I did it during initial installation. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376024#376024 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Nonsense (WAS Airplane Building and Flying)
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Maybe we that already have 500+ in our RV10s should leave the list. But you were the innovator in the owner generated mods? _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nonsense (WAS Airplane Building and Flying) How about them Red Sox!!! On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM, DLM wrote: It certainly does slow the build process but not as much as a permanent mount and an approriate gun sight for those pesky Cessnas in the pattern. "switchin to guns" -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:36 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alaska (was bahamas) I know it is difficult for those in other cultures to comprehend, but the US does not require a license to own or carry a gun, unless you want to carry it concealed. While guns in recent years are registered when purchased from a dealer, there is no accounting for guns that existed from around 50 or more years ago, and no tracking of private sales of guns. We have this little artifact of history, that guns enabled our country to escape from a tyrannical (perhaps alleged) king. So a right was established in our constitution allowing us to own and bear arms. Which means that we can mount a gun rack in or outside our RV-10s if that is our desire. But such modifications slow down the build process. ;-) On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:13 AM, John MacCallum wrote: > --> > > I don't have a problem with people protecting themselves from wild > animals if they have a licence for the gun and a reason to have the > gun. If I was going bush in Alaska for days on end I would probably > want a gun as well! I would not live off the native wildlife as a > matter of choice but I can see where you may have too! > > John MacCallum > VH-DUU > RV 10 # Navigator much much href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronicp; the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Nonsense (WAS Airplane Building and Flying)
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Just got the N number reservation for the RV9A in the mail today so will be an infrequent poster in the future. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nonsense (WAS Airplane Building and Flying) Maybe we that already have 500+ in our RV10s should leave the list. But you were the innovator in the owner generated mods? _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nonsense (WAS Airplane Building and Flying) How about them Red Sox!!! On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM, DLM wrote: It certainly does slow the build process but not as much as a permanent mount and an approriate gun sight for those pesky Cessnas in the pattern. "switchin to guns" -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:36 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alaska (was bahamas) I know it is difficult for those in other cultures to comprehend, but the US does not require a license to own or carry a gun, unless you want to carry it concealed. While guns in recent years are registered when purchased from a dealer, there is no accounting for guns that existed from around 50 or more years ago, and no tracking of private sales of guns. We have this little artifact of history, that guns enabled our country to escape from a tyrannical (perhaps alleged) king. So a right was established in our constitution allowing us to own and bear arms. Which means that we can mount a gun rack in or outside our RV-10s if that is our desire. But such modifications slow down the build process. ;-) On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:13 AM, John MacCallum wrote: > --> > > I don't have a problem with people protecting themselves from wild > animals if they have a licence for the gun and a reason to have the > gun. If I was going bush in Alaska for days on end I would probably > want a gun as well! I would not live off the native wildlife as a > matter of choice but I can see where you may have too! > > John MacCallum > VH-DUU > RV 10 # Navigator much much href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronicp; the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John MacCallum" <john.maccallum(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska (was bahamas)
Date: Jun 19, 2012
Yep those bloody poms are the cause of all of our problems! I reckon a ADEN Rotary canon would make a good mod if it was mounted on a pod and synchronised to the Prop. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:36 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alaska (was bahamas) I know it is difficult for those in other cultures to comprehend, but the US does not require a license to own or carry a gun, unless you want to carry it concealed. While guns in recent years are registered when purchased from a dealer, there is no accounting for guns that existed from around 50 or more years ago, and no tracking of private sales of guns. We have this little artifact of history, that guns enabled our country to escape from a tyrannical (perhaps alleged) king. So a right was established in our constitution allowing us to own and bear arms. Which means that we can mount a gun rack in or outside our RV-10s if that is our desire. But such modifications slow down the build process. ;-) On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:13 AM, John MacCallum wrote: > --> > > I don't have a problem with people protecting themselves from wild > animals if they have a licence for the gun and a reason to have the > gun. If I was going bush in Alaska for days on end I would probably > want a gun as well! I would not live off the native wildlife as a > matter of choice but I can see where you may have too! > > John MacCallum > VH-DUU > RV 10 # 41016 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results
From: "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Not sure why my first attempt didn't go thru. Trying again... In my case, i thought it was a nosewheel shimmy when it was a mainwheel shimmy. I did all the normal things to the nosewheel to fix the issue. Adding balance weights even affected the speed range of the shimmy which seemed to confirm it was a nosewheel issue. I finally got around to video-taping the undercarriage. To my surprise, i have a main wheel shimmy and not a nosewheel issue. It happens in a 5 knot speed range, so i can either accelerate or brake quickly thru the speed range to minimize the discomfort. http://youtu.be/lBi6RdOS2Cw This is the only video i have uploaded. It occurs around the 7:08 mark. Thus, now I have to go thru all the same steps to try and fix the issue on the mainwheel this time. Jae [quote="carl.froehlich(at)verizon"]Thanks Tim. I thought about the nose wheel aspect, but never had the issue in the 8A. Before I jack up the plane and do the plumb bob thing yet again, I'll get some more flight data and see what that tells me. Carl -------- #40533 RV-10 First flight 10/19/2011 Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376038#376038 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2012
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results
Everyone needs to drill a 2nd hole through the front axle that is 30 degree s from the 1st hole.... that way you can tighten to within 30 degrees inste ad of only within 60 degrees.... doesn't weaken anything because the hole i s below most of the nut, and only for the cotter pin.=C2- Having only one hole, it almost=C2- never ends up where you want it.=0ADon McDonald=C2 -=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Jesse Saint <jesse@s aintaviation.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, June 18, 2 012 8:49 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test iation.com>=0A=0AMy experience is the same. It could be that aerodynamicall y the 26 lbs of force to pivot the nose wheel side to side is just the righ t amount to avoid a shimmy but keep the nose wheel in perfect trail while c ruising. In practice, I think it's almost impossible to get the 26 lbs requ ired, and certainly is impossible to keep it. I usually tighten to the flat (with the cotter pin hole lined up) that provides a fair amount of pivot d rag, but never measure the force any more. =0A=0AAlso, when I am trimming t he rudder, I trim a little, then tap on that pedal to see where the ball se ttles. =0A=0AI never pay attention to the position of my rudder trim tab. I t isn't big enough to cause a dangerous situation if it is way out of trim at takeoff. The same goes for my aileron trim, since neither of them have a position sensor, although I can see the aileron trim tab in flight and it usually is only less than 10% out of trail to keep things flying level. The elevator trim is definitely big enough to cause a problem if it's way out, so I always trim that to a little bit nose down of center for takeoff, the n I adjust for climb based on how I am loaded and how I need to climb for C HT's and Oil Temp.=0A=0AJesse Saint=0ASaint Aviation, Inc.=0Ajesse@saintavi ation.com=0AC: 352-427-0285=0AF: 815-377-3694=0A=0AOn Jun 18, 2012, at 9:30 m(at)myrv10.com>=0A> =0A> RE #4:=0A> "4.=C2- =C2- =C2- I=99m on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings.=C2- They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right.=C2- First flig ht today the ball was in the center but favoring the right side.=C2- Seco nd flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was in the center but favoring the left side.=C2- Go figure.=C2- With the pants and fairi ng off the ball is dead center.=C2- "=0A> =0A> I've found that a jab of t he rudder pedal one way or the other=0A> will often leave it settled in at a new trim point. I've also=0A> had happen to me, and others have as well, the nosewheel doesn't=0A> trail perfectly straight.=C2- Some of this will likely affect=0A> your ability to get the ball to center all of the time. =C2- I'm=0A> guessing that with the nosewheel tightened up well so that i t=0A> doesn't shimmy, it has some stiction that keeps it in trail=0A> at wh atever angle, so the stab of the rudder pedal may or may not=0A> shift the nosewheel to a new stiction point.=C2- At any rate, having=0A> rudder tri m makes it easy to trim out, but I definitely don't=0A> ALWAYS have the sam e neutral rudder trim position.=0A> =0A> Tim=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> On 6/17/201 2 6:11 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:=0A>> Just back from a run with the forward gear leg slot cover removed.=C2- I=0A>> ran the same test pattern as my earlier flight of the day to get=0A>> reasonable comparison data.=C2- OAT was warmer (80) on the second run=0A>> however.=C2- I have a stock Van =99s engine and Hartzell prop.=0A>> =0A>> Climb out (full throttle cl imb, 140kts, to 6500=99.=C2- CHTs 10-15 degrees=0A>> cooler with th e slot cover removed.=C2- With the cover on #6 at 430, then=0A>> #5 at 42 0 and the rest at 400 or below.=C2- With the cover off #6 hottest=0A>> at 420, #5 at 410, rest below 400.=0A>> =0A>> CHTs in level flight =93 not much difference, perhaps slightly cooler with=0A>> the cover off.=C2- CHTs range from 370 to 390.=0A>> =0A>> Oil temp =93 I have had the o il air butterfly door full open for climb,=0A>> and perhaps half shut in le vel flight to keep oil temp around 190 or=0A>> so.=C2- If anything I woul d say there is less air for the cooler with the=0A>> cover off =93 bu t no practical difference.=C2- I suspect this reflects a=0A>> reduce pres sure drop across the cooler with the cover off as the lower=0A>> cowl exit area has more air flow.=C2- I did not use the Van=99s oil mount - =0A>>=C2- I have the cooler mounted horizontally on the firewall.=0A>> =0A>> Speed.=C2- 6500=99, 23.5=9D, 2400 RPM ROP, TAS 184kts c over on, 181kts cover off.=0A>> =0A>> LOP run, 6500=99, 23.5=9D , 2350 RPM, TAS 168kts cover on (12.2gph), 170kts=0A>> cover off(12.5gph). =C2- I suspect this result reflects the slightly higher=0A>> fuel flow fo r the second data run.=0A>> =0A>> 11.5 hours on the 10 now.=C2- Here are a few notes for those getting ready=0A>> for first flight:=0A>> =0A>> 1.Tig hten the nose gear nut after the first couple of landings.=C2- I did=0A>> mine at 9 hours and it was way loose.=C2- The 9^th hour landing nose gea r=0A>> feedback (shimmy) was pronounced.=0A>> =0A>> 2.While there has been a lot of discussion on the list about greasing=0A>> the prop, recommend you at least do the =9Cafter the first hour=9D greasing=0A>> as di scussed in the Hartwell manual.=0A>> =0A>> 3.I have a GTN-650 and a PS Engi neering Audio panel.=C2- It turns out=0A>> Garmin has a software problem that screws up mic audio gain if you use=0A>> one of these panels.=C2- Th ere is a fix, but you have to go to a Garmin=0A>> dealer to get it (and the n it still does not work as good as it=0A>> should).=C2- I=99d stil l much rather have an updated GX-60 and a SL-30 combo=0A>> instead of this over priced box.=0A>> =0A>> 4.I=99m on my second round of mounting th e wheel pants and leg fairings.=0A>> They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right.=0A>> First flight today the ball was in the c enter but favoring the right=0A>> side.=C2- Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was=0A>> in the center but favoring the lef t side.=C2- Go figure.=C2- With the pants=0A>> and fairing off the ball is dead center.=0A>> =0A>> 5.Rigging.=C2- It took six months of chasing my tail to get the rigging=0A>> right on the 8A (easier once I broke the co de).=C2- The 10 was dead on=0A>> right out of the box.=0A>> =0A>> 6.Eleva tor trim.=C2- Remember that half way in not neutral.=C2- Make sure you =0A>> know where neutral really is on the panel, start there and then figur e=0A>> out your setting you want for takeoff.=0A>> =0A>> 28.5 more hours an d then a long awaited western trip this fall.=0A>> =0A>> Carl=0A>> =0A>> *F rom:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serv er(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Froehlich=0A>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 1 7, 2012 2:53 PM=0A>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0A>> *Subject:* RE: RV10 -List: Lower cowl gear leg slot=0A>> =0A>> Thanks.=0A>> =0A>> First 9 hours I had a plate installed.=C2- I do a few hours without it and=0A>> see if there is any difference.=0A>> =0A>> Carl=0A>> =0A>> *From:*owner-rv10-list -server(at)matronics.com=0A>> =0A >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *bob-tcw=0A> > *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:38 PM=0A>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0A>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot=0A>> =0A>> Carl,=C2- =C2- I left the nose gear leg openin g....open.=C2- =C2- Cooling has been fine=0A>> =0A>> Bob Newman=0A>> =0A>> N541RV=0A>> =0A>> 70hrs=0A>> =0A>> *From:*Carl Froehlich =0A>> =0A>> *Sent:*Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:30 PM=0A >> =0A>> *To:*rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0A>> =0A>> *Subject:*RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot=0A>> =0A>> For you tha t have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the=0A>> lower cowl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you=0A>> just leave it open?=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Carl=0A>> =0A>> 9 hours =93 still tweaking the gear leg fairings=0A>> =0A>> *=C2- *=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A_ -======================== ==C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- - 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Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: Jun 18, 2012
Mine turned out to be a right main gear shimmy as well. I identified it with a belly camera. I have not been able to stop it. Starts at about 14 or 15 knots gps groundspeed and is gone by about 17 or 18 knots. I have decided to live with it. David Maib 40559 RV-10 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL 32169 On Jun 18, 2012, at 6:56 PM, jchang10 wrote: Not sure why my first attempt didn't go thru. Trying again... In my case, i thought it was a nosewheel shimmy when it was a mainwheel shimmy. I did all the normal things to the nosewheel to fix the issue. Adding balance weights even affected the speed range of the shimmy which seemed to confirm it was a nosewheel issue. I finally got around to video-taping the undercarriage. To my surprise, i have a main wheel shimmy and not a nosewheel issue. It happens in a 5 knot speed range, so i can either accelerate or brake quickly thru the speed range to minimize the discomfort. http://youtu.be/lBi6RdOS2Cw This is the only video i have uploaded. It occurs around the 7:08 mark. Thus, now I have to go thru all the same steps to try and fix the issue on the mainwheel this time. Jae [quote="carl.froehlich(at)verizon"]Thanks Tim. I thought about the nose wheel aspect, but never had the issue in the 8A. Before I jack up the plane and do the plumb bob thing yet again, I'll get some more flight data and see what that tells me. Carl -------- #40533 RV-10 First flight 10/19/2011 Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376038#376038 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com>
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results
Date: Jun 18, 2012
I have been doing the same as Jesse for the last couple of years. I have had it as tight as 45 lbs with no adverse ground steering issues. I also agree with Tim's comments concerning the nose wheel alignment. My wheel pants come on and off more than most because I usually remove them when I am doing transition training. Every time I put them back on, the rudder trim is a tad bit different. As Jesse notes, I trim the rudder and then give the pedal a little tap and see where the ball really settles. David Maib 40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Don McDonald wrote: Everyone needs to drill a 2nd hole through the front axle that is 30 degrees from the 1st hole.... that way you can tighten to within 30 degrees instead of only within 60 degrees.... doesn't weaken anything because the hole is below most of the nut, and only for the cotter pin. Having only one hole, it almost never ends up where you want it. Don McDonald From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 8:49 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results My experience is the same. It could be that aerodynamically the 26 lbs of force to pivot the nose wheel side to side is just the right amount to avoid a shimmy but keep the nose wheel in perfect trail while cruising. In practice, I think it's almost impossible to get the 26 lbs required, and certainly is impossible to keep it. I usually tighten to the flat (with the cotter pin hole lined up) that provides a fair amount of pivot drag, but never measure the force any more. Also, when I am trimming the rudder, I trim a little, then tap on that pedal to see where the ball settles. I never pay attention to the position of my rudder trim tab. It isn't big enough to cause a dangerous situation if it is way out of trim at takeoff. The same goes for my aileron trim, since neither of them have a position sensor, although I can see the aileron trim tab in flight and it usually is only less than 10% out of trail to keep things flying level. The elevator trim is definitely big enough to cause a problem if it's way out, so I always trim that to a little bit nose down of center for takeoff, then I adjust for climb based on how I am loaded and how I need to climb for CHT's and Oil Temp. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > RE #4: > "4. I=92m on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings. They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right. First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right side. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was in the center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants and fairing off the ball is dead center. " > > I've found that a jab of the rudder pedal one way or the other > will often leave it settled in at a new trim point. I've also > had happen to me, and others have as well, the nosewheel doesn't > trail perfectly straight. Some of this will likely affect > your ability to get the ball to center all of the time. I'm > guessing that with the nosewheel tightened up well so that it > doesn't shimmy, it has some stiction that keeps it in trail > at whatever angle, so the stab of the rudder pedal may or may not > shift the nosewheel to a new stiction point. At any rate, having > rudder trim makes it easy to trim out, but I definitely don't > ALWAYS have the same neutral rudder trim position. > > Tim > > > > On 6/17/2012 6:11 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: >> Just back from a run with the forward gear leg slot cover removed. I >> ran the same test pattern as my earlier flight of the day to get >> reasonable comparison data. OAT was warmer (80) on the second run >> however. I have a stock Van=92s engine and Hartzell prop. >> >> Climb out (full throttle climb, 140kts, to 6500=92. CHTs 10-15 degrees >> cooler with the slot cover removed. With the cover on #6 at 430, then >> #5 at 420 and the rest at 400 or below. With the cover off #6 hottest >> at 420, #5 at 410, rest below 400. >> >> CHTs in level flight ' not much difference, perhaps slightly cooler with >> the cover off. CHTs range from 370 to 390. >> >> Oil temp ' I have had the oil air butterfly door full open for climb, >> and perhaps half shut in level flight to keep oil temp around 190 or >> so. If anything I would say there is less air for the cooler with the >> cover off ' but no practical difference. I suspect this reflects a >> reduce pressure drop across the cooler with the cover off as the lower >> cowl exit area has more air flow. I did not use the Van=92s oil mount - >> I have the cooler mounted horizontally on the firewall. >> >> Speed. 6500=92, 23.5=94, 2400 RPM ROP, TAS 184kts cover on, 181kts cover off. >> >> LOP run, 6500=92, 23.5=94, 2350 RPM, TAS 168kts cover on (12.2gph), 170kts >> cover off(12.5gph). I suspect this result reflects the slightly higher >> fuel flow for the second data run. >> >> 11.5 hours on the 10 now. Here are a few notes for those getting ready >> for first flight: >> >> 1.Tighten the nose gear nut after the first couple of landings. I did >> mine at 9 hours and it was way loose. The 9^th hour landing nose gear >> feedback (shimmy) was pronounced. >> >> 2.While there has been a lot of discussion on the list about greasing >> the prop, recommend you at least do the =93after the first hour=94 greasing >> as discussed in the Hartwell manual. >> >> 3.I have a GTN-650 and a PS Engineering Audio panel. It turns out >> Garmin has a software problem that screws up mic audio gain if you use >> one of these panels. There is a fix, but you have to go to a Garmin >> dealer to get it (and then it still does not work as good as it >> should). I=92d still much rather have an updated GX-60 and a SL-30 combo >> instead of this over priced box. >> >> 4.I=92m on my second round of mounting the wheel pants and leg fairings. >> They make a huge speed difference but they are a pain to get right. >> First flight today the ball was in the center but favoring the right >> side. Second flight (no changes to the pants or fairings) the ball was >> in the center but favoring the left side. Go figure. With the pants >> and fairing off the ball is dead center. >> >> 5.Rigging. It took six months of chasing my tail to get the rigging >> right on the 8A (easier once I broke the code). The 10 was dead on >> right out of the box. >> >> 6.Elevator trim. Remember that half way in not neutral. Make sure you >> know where neutral really is on the panel, start there and then figure >> out your setting you want for takeoff. >> >> 28.5 more hours and then a long awaited western trip this fall. >> >> Carl >> >> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Froehlich >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:53 PM >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot >> >> Thanks. >> >> First 9 hours I had a plate installed. I do a few hours without it and >> see if there is any difference. >> >> Carl >> >> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *bob-tcw >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:38 PM >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot >> >> Carl, I left the nose gear leg opening....open. Cooling has been fine >> >> Bob Newman >> >> N541RV >> >> 70hrs >> >> *From:*Carl Froehlich >> >> *Sent:*Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:30 PM >> >> *To:*rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> >> *Subject:*RV10-List: Lower cowl gear leg slot >> >> For you that have your planes flying, did you put a plate in on the >> lower cowl to cover the gear leg slot forward of the gear leg or do you >> just leave it open? >> >> >> Carl >> >> 9 hours ' still tweaking the gear leg fairings >> >> * * > > > > < --> http://forums.matronics tronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contri========= ====== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results
From: Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Date: Jun 19, 2012
Jar, is that a GoPro cam? If so, how did you mount it? Bill Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2012, at 12:56 AM, "jchang10" wrote: > > Not sure why my first attempt didn't go thru. Trying again... > > In my case, i thought it was a nosewheel shimmy when it was a mainwheel shimmy. I did all the normal things to the nosewheel to fix the issue. Adding balance weights even affected the speed range of the shimmy which seemed to confirm it was a nosewheel issue. > > I finally got around to video-taping the undercarriage. To my surprise, i have a main wheel shimmy and not a nosewheel issue. It happens in a 5 knot speed range, so i can either accelerate or brake quickly thru the speed range to minimize the discomfort. > > http://youtu.be/lBi6RdOS2Cw > > This is the only video i have uploaded. It occurs around the 7:08 mark. > > Thus, now I have to go thru all the same steps to try and fix the issue on the mainwheel this time. > > Jae > > > [quote="carl.froehlich(at)verizon"]Thanks Tim. I thought about the nose wheel aspect, but never had the issue in the 8A. > > Before I jack up the plane and do the plumb bob thing yet again, I'll get some more flight data and see what that tells me. > > Carl > > -------- > #40533 RV-10 > First flight 10/19/2011 > Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376038#376038 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Subject: Visiting NASM
Date: Jun 19, 2012
The call came in late Thursday ' there was a cancellation, so would we be able/interested in coming off the alternates list and joining "Be a Pilot Day" at the National Air & Space Museum Udvar-Hazy Center? You bet! The only trick was to get from Boston to Dulles by 0830 Saturday morning, b ut with an RV-10 and a helpful tailwind ' no problem! Builders Steve Ste lla and Aycan "John" Gencoglu and his daughter joined up for a beautiful we ather day down to DC. The only downside was the 50 minutes of taxiing and waiting to depart, but that goes with the territory. It's a fun event they have there at NASM. If you're interested for a futur e year, they start accepting aircraft applications around Feb 1 each year. http://becomeapilot.si.edu/ Tim N52KS 40025 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lower cowl gear leg slot cover - test results
From: "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Date: Jun 19, 2012
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=465850&postcount=5 Yes, a gopro. I basically did what Kevin did in his photo without the washer. I used one of the standard plastic mounts. I left the adhesive foam pad with the plastic cover still on it - don't want to use the adhesive but the foam pad provides nice cushioning and paint protection (or in my case scuff protection). I drilled a pilot hole in the center, which is right on that raised center rail. Then i just used a countersink until a #8 CS screw was flush for the camera mount to easily slide thru. I have mounted it using a longer #8 access cover screw so far. I guess i could do an above the wing mount with a fuel tank screw too. However, a wingtip vantage point would be interesting too, but those are all #6 screws out on the wing tip. Jae mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com wrote: > Jar, is that a GoPro cam? If so, how did you mount it? > > Bill > > -------- #40533 RV-10 First flight 10/19/2011 Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376081#376081 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Visiting NASM
Date: Jun 19, 2012
Yeah, I did that with my Pietenpol a couple of years ago. I'm probably the only pilot in history to request and get permission to back taxi on runway 19 at IAD (the tower was happy to have me back taxi 200 feet rather than wait for me to taxi a mile to the next turnoff). Lot's of fun! Jack Phillips #40610 Raleigh, NC but moving next week to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:27 AM Subject: RV10-List: Visiting NASM The call came in late Thursday - there was a cancellation, so would we be able/interested in coming off the alternates list and joining "Be a Pilot Day" at the National Air & Space Museum Udvar-Hazy Center? You bet! The only trick was to get from Boston to Dulles by 0830 Saturday morning, but with an RV-10 and a helpful tailwind - no problem! Builders Steve Stella and Aycan "John" Gencoglu and his daughter joined up for a beautiful weather day down to DC. The only downside was the 50 minutes of taxiing and waiting to depart, but that goes with the territory. It's a fun event they have there at NASM. If you're interested for a future year, they start accepting aircraft applications around Feb 1 each year. http://becomeapilot.si.edu/ Tim N52KS 40025 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 insurance vs. Lamborghini Gallardo
From: "giblet" <tahmina141(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 19, 2012
It's works or not? -------- Giblet Steven Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376118#376118 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 20, 2012
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: MGL equipment
Anyone have a flying RV-10 with MGL glass panels in it??? Linn .... still building ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Labels
Date: Jun 20, 2012
Does anyone have any label or graphics files for panel labels that could be reused as a starting point? I hate to reinvent the wheel. Michael ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Labels
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 20, 2012
Attached is a MS Word file that I sent to Stein; he converted it to a nice sheet of decals (dip in water, slide off). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376174#376174 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/turner_labels_243.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Jun 20, 2012
I just had an email inquiring about my comment on installing the solid flange around the firewall being easier than using the "ears" supplied with the new skybolt kits. I briefly read it in my email screener, then inadvertently deleted it. So here's hoping you get this as a general post. Yes, you just rivet it around the firewall, then when your cowl is fit, simply measure where you want to put the skybolts and pilot drill through the cowl and flange -- perfect fit. Originally I think everybody had to install their own flange (the kit was just male/female fasteners,collars, retaining rings), some scalloped it out, others didn't -- your preference for weight, easier to bend to fit if scalloped, etc. See Tim's site for pictures, specs on the aluminum, where to order it. The ears work OK, but personally, I don't see them as an improvement. I hope this addressed your inquiry, if not, send it again or post it here for other feedback. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376175#376175 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 20, 2012
Subject: Cleaning up Royco 782
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I just shot some 782 into the lines and the brakes are officially good to go. I found one leak in the tunnel and would like to clean it up before things get corroded. Is there something out there that cuts it so I can flush the area where the leak was found? Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 20, 2012
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Cleaning up Royco 782
It is petroleum product. Stoddard solvent or mineral spirits should take care of it. It should not be at all corrosive, but might be a dirt magnet. On 6/20/2012 6:42 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > I just shot some 782 into the lines and the brakes are officially good > to go. I found one leak in the tunnel and would like to clean it up > before things get corroded. > > Is there something out there that cuts it so I can flush the area > where the leak was found? > > Phil > > * > > > * ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Re: Labels
Date: Jun 21, 2012
Seems like the labels would be so specific to your build that I can't see much benefit to prior work product. That being said Steins labels are a great way to go. Ideally use a vector based program like Illustrator for razor sharp results. Also consider color coding for quicker recognition. In my case red is fuel and heat (boost pump, pitot & cabin heat...), Blue for EFIS and O2, black for common items like lights. Both my 10 and 8 have engraved switches so labeling is bare minimum. Robin Sent from the new iPad On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:38 PM, "Michael Sausen" wrote: > > Does anyone have any label or graphics files for panel labels that could be reused as a starting point? I hate to reinvent the wheel. > > Michael > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 21, 2012
From: "Werner Schneider" <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Subject: Re: MGL equipment
Linn, check with Lorenz Malstrm he has an MGL pannel. cheers Werner > Anyone have a flying RV-10 with MGL glass panels in it??? > Linn .... still building -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MGL equipment
From: "Space Cadet" <Dwight(at)Drefs.net>
Date: Jun 21, 2012
I have an Odyssey G2, and V10, not a lot of time on it though... just 40 hours. Dwight Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376235#376235 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: GX Pilot Software Upgrade
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jun 21, 2012
I have been having some challenges with pitch oscillations in my G3X/GX Pilot integrated autopilot. In flight test initially I was having divergent pitch oscillations in cruise. It only took a bit of turbulence to get it started. Adjusting the VRT Activity from the factory setting of 3 to a new setting of 8 (range 0-36) seemed to solve that problem. Any higher than 8 and it gets twitchy. I have also had problems capturing a glide path. The nose pitches down too far then overcompensates by pitching up, again divergently. I called TruTrak today about it and spoke to Zack. After describing the symptoms he asked which software version I had - answer 2.49. He said that "there is a software revision that is relevant to this problem". The unit has to be sent back to them for this software revision and I will do this when I return from my Johnson Creek vacation. Turnaround is a couple days. This is just for your info and should be of interest to those of us with GX Pilot autopilots. Check your software version. Mine was bought 9/2011. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376240#376240 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GX Pilot Software Upgrade
From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Jun 21, 2012
Interesting. I have the combo too and purchased mine before 9/2011. I really haven't seen it do the oscillations. I see a very slight dip when in a turn and losing the horizontal component of lift. It barely over compensates but quickly stabilizes. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2012, at 13:32, "nukeflyboy" wrote: > > I have been having some challenges with pitch oscillations in my G3X/GX Pilot integrated autopilot. In flight test initially I was having divergent pitch oscillations in cruise. It only took a bit of turbulence to get it started. Adjusting the VRT Activity from the factory setting of 3 to a new setting of 8 (range 0-36) seemed to solve that problem. Any higher than 8 and it gets twitchy. > > I have also had problems capturing a glide path. The nose pitches down too far then overcompensates by pitching up, again divergently. I called TruTrak today about it and spoke to Zack. After describing the symptoms he asked which software version I had - answer 2.49. He said that "there is a software revision that is relevant to this problem". The unit has to be sent back to them for this software revision and I will do this when I return from my Johnson Creek vacation. Turnaround is a couple days. > > This is just for your info and should be of interest to those of us with GX Pilot autopilots. Check your software version. Mine was bought 9/2011. > > -------- > Dave Moore > RV-6 flying > RV-10 QB - flying > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376240#376240 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Re: GX Pilot Software Upgrade
Date: Jun 21, 2012
My GX is as Sean describes out of the box. My Sorcerer has required update(s) back at the factory. Also an amazing AP. Robin Sent from the new iPad On Jun 21, 2012, at 5:21 PM, "Seano" wrote: > > Interesting. I have the combo too and purchased mine before 9/2011. I really haven't seen it do the oscillations. I see a very slight dip when in a turn and losing the horizontal component of lift. It barely over compensates but quickly stabilizes. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 13:32, "nukeflyboy" wrote: > >> >> I have been having some challenges with pitch oscillations in my G3X/GX Pilot integrated autopilot. In flight test initially I was having divergent pitch oscillations in cruise. It only took a bit of turbulence to get it started. Adjusting the VRT Activity from the factory setting of 3 to a new setting of 8 (range 0-36) seemed to solve that problem. Any higher than 8 and it gets twitchy. >> >> I have also had problems capturing a glide path. The nose pitches down too far then overcompensates by pitching up, again divergently. I called TruTrak today about it and spoke to Zack. After describing the symptoms he asked which software version I had - answer 2.49. He said that "there is a software revision that is relevant to this problem". The unit has to be sent back to them for this software revision and I will do this when I return from my Johnson Creek vacation. Turnaround is a couple days. >> >> This is just for your info and should be of interest to those of us with GX Pilot autopilots. Check your software version. Mine was bought 9/2011. >> >> -------- >> Dave Moore >> RV-6 flying >> RV-10 QB - flying >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376240#376240 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Stick - Panel Interference
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jun 21, 2012
I have been meaning to send this for a while but have been too busy in phase 1 testing. This is an old problem but slightly different spin. I have the infinity stick grips and they are known to have a problem with clearing the bottom of the panel. The fix is to cut the control sticks as short as possible. This gives a nominal clearance of about a half an inch between the top of the stick grip and the bottom of the panel - the bottom strip that usually holds circuit breakers. I was careful and mine cleared the panel. One of the last things to install are the control cables. Yes, they are too short. More interesting was the interference between the right stick and the mixture control. The right stick when moved full left could be hung up on the LEFT side of the mixture control. See the photo. This was unacceptable even though in flight it would be tough to get it there. My control cables are stock and in the design location. There are several ways to fix this but the one shown in the photo utilizes the stock cable. A slight modification to the support removed the interference. I actually like the fact that the mixture control is now below the throttle and prop. This minimizes inadvertently grabbing the mixture control instead of the prop. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376266#376266 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/001_2_reduced_326.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/stick_interference_120.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stick - Panel Interference
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 21, 2012
Well, you're right, that would not be acceptable. Are you sure the right stick is vertical with the ailerons neutral? On mine the stick just barely touched the RIGHT side of the mixture knob, full over to the left. I adjusted the stick position (under the right seat) a bit, and now it doesn't touch. BTW, I found I could hang up the stick if I moved to a certain position in a certain way. The culprit was a bolt under the seat in the control mechanism. I installed it per plans and it could hang up. The fix was to reverse the direction of bolt. The head wasn't long enough to interfere with the head forward. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376272#376272 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Stick - Panel Interference
Date: Jun 21, 2012
On my plane I cut the sticks down to just barely enough to mount the Infinity Grip. I also replaced the control cable bracket with a more narrow one (but keep the same knob spacing). This provides just enough clearance. Both cabin heat, alternate air and oil cooler air controls are on the bottom panel apron. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:24 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stick - Panel Interference Well, you're right, that would not be acceptable. Are you sure the right stick is vertical with the ailerons neutral? On mine the stick just barely touched the RIGHT side of the mixture knob, full over to the left. I adjusted the stick position (under the right seat) a bit, and now it doesn't touch. BTW, I found I could hang up the stick if I moved to a certain position in a certain way. The culprit was a bolt under the seat in the control mechanism. I installed it per plans and it could hang up. The fix was to reverse the direction of bolt. The head wasn't long enough to interfere with the head forward. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376272#376272 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stick - Panel Interference
From: Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
Nice fix. For others encountering stick/panel interference, another approach is bending the stick in a press, i.e. increasing the curvature. Lots in the archives. Sent from my iPad On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:40 AM, "nukeflyboy" wrote: > > I have been meaning to send this for a while but have been too busy in phase 1 testing. This is an old problem but slightly different spin. I have the infinity stick grips and they are known to have a problem with clearing the bottom of the panel. The fix is to cut the control sticks as short as possible. This gives a nominal clearance of about a half an inch between the top of the stick grip and the bottom of the panel - the bottom strip that usually holds circuit breakers. I was careful and mine cleared the panel. > > One of the last things to install are the control cables. Yes, they are too short. More interesting was the interference between the right stick and the mixture control. The right stick when moved full left could be hung up on the LEFT side of the mixture control. See the photo. This was unacceptable even though in flight it would be tough to get it there. My control cables are stock and in the design location. > > There are several ways to fix this but the one shown in the photo utilizes the stock cable. A slight modification to the support removed the interference. I actually like the fact that the mixture control is now below the throttle and prop. This minimizes inadvertently grabbing the mixture control instead of the prop. > > -------- > Dave Moore > RV-6 flying > RV-10 QB - flying > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376266#376266 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/001_2_reduced_326.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/stick_interference_120.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bahamas
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 21, 2012
People who have gone out of the US: Did you get an FCC station license? For something like $160? Anyone ask to see it? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376287#376287 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bahamas
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
I did get the FCC station license. I also have the FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operators permit that I had to get back when I got my Private Pilots License. Guess that dates me a bit. I've not had anyone in Canada or The Bahamas ask to see either one. But, since both are required when flying out of the country, why not? -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376294#376294 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OT Re:Guns (was Alaska )
From: "mmayfield" <mmayfield(at)ozemail.com.au>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
WRT the "right" to bear arms, I think the meaning of "well regulated militia" has been somewhat lost in translation over the intervening 200+ years. But most people apparently prefer to ignore this fact. -------- Mike Your political opinions are noted. And ignored. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376295#376295 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bahamas
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
I did, both the station license and the radiotelephone permit. Tim On Jun 21, 2012, at 11:29 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > People who have gone out of the US: Did you get an FCC station license? For something like $160? Anyone ask to see it? > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376287#376287 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bahamas
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
Exactly. Its less than a tank of avgas, and if for some reason you meet a customs guy on a bad day and they decide you need one, it could cause you to throw away hundreds for missed hotel and other arrangements...so no, I haven't been asked for it ever but at least I have one less worry every time I travel. It's also why I had no hesitation on going with 12" N-numbers....no worry about temporary numbers for each trip, but I also think that they look better if done nicely, and that a self-picked number often gives something of a statement of pride when you can pick it for something meaningful. It is just easier it you meet the full regs when you can. Tim On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:30 AM, "dmaib(at)me.com" wrote: > > I did get the FCC station license. I also have the FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operators permit that I had to get back when I got my Private Pilots License. Guess that dates me a bit. > I've not had anyone in Canada or The Bahamas ask to see either one. But, since both are required when flying out of the country, why not? > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > Transition Trainer > New Smyrna Beach, FL > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376294#376294 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 22, 2012
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: OT Re:Guns (was Alaska )
The US Supreme CT issued their opinion, which is the only one that matters, twice within the past 5 years, affirming that folks for a long time tried to tie the two clauses together. They affirmed it is an individual right, not just a right if one was part of a militia. So we can rack a gun in an RV-10 however we might wish. I kind of like the old Corsair style, outside the prop arc so there is no worry about syncing with the prop. On 6/22/2012 3:32 AM, mmayfield wrote: > > WRT the "right" to bear arms, I think the meaning of "well regulated militia" has been somewhat lost in translation over the intervening 200+ years. But most people apparently prefer to ignore this fact. > > -------- > Mike > > Your political opinions are noted. And ignored. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376295#376295 > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stick - Panel Interference
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
There is a lot of back-and-forth adjustments to the sticks to get them vertical at the same time the ailerons are in line with the flaps and wing tips. I'm sure that was not the problem. I considered bending the stick as others have done but my wiring was internal to the stick and I didn't want to disassemble the stick grip and re-pull the wires. By the way, when you align your sticks vertically with the ailerons locked in trail be sure to do this with the elevator in the neutral position. You do get some minor aileron deflection as you move the stick fore and aft. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376306#376306 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bahamas station license
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)mac.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
I got one 9 years ago to fly in Canada and Mexico. Several trips, never asked for station license or operators license. N661G. NWT bound in 3weeks. Sent from my iPad On Jun 22, 2012, at 1:29 AM, Bob Turner wrote: > > People who have gone out of the US: Did you get an FCC station license? For something like $160? Anyone ask to see it? > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376287#376287 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bahamas
From: pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
Got both licenses one for ship one for me-was not asked for it in Mexico or Bahamas -----Original Message----- From: Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> Sent: Thu, Jun 21, 2012 11:30 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: bahamas People who have gone out of the US: Did you get an FCC station license? For omething like $160? Anyone ask to see it? -------- ob Turner V-10 QB ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376287#376287 -= - The RV10-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Update on Garmin G3X
From: Karol Hansen <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
Thank you Robin and Dave for your good input on the G3X. We appreciate your evaluation and comments as they ARE very helpful for those of us still trying to finalize a panel selection and layout!!! Rich ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
Date: Jun 22, 2012
Karol, As Robin stated, I really enjoy the G3X system. I have had no sensor issues or system issues with it. Two G3X screens on the pilot's side has more pixel real estate than one 10.4 screen. With three screens there are multiple combinations to use. I like having one major brand on the panel which leads to seamless configurations and easy setup. Having the IFR NAV/COM the same company as the EFIS's is also nice for setup and is user friendly with the same functions and button pushing. It also contributes to a clean and simple layout. Discrete in's on the G3X is very useful, the other screens probably have this function too. I have my (left door open), (right door open), (carbon monoxide alert) and (aux power). They are all easily setup using the grounds and take away random lights on the glare shield. I also like having a system that is widely used on certified aircraft. A lot of units probably mean long term and financial stability. The downside, as Robin mentioned, is the expensive updates. I pay for a bundle at $600 for chartview, safe taxi, nav charts, obstacles, terrain, AOPA and another 300-380? for nav charts on the 430W. The other fee is XM. Another reason I went with Garmin was to have GTS800 traffic system. This unit was a lot of work to install, mostly due to the ground plane on the top antennam but well worth it. I am able to see the ads-b on planefinder and have the ADS-b in and out to satisfy the nextgen whenever that rolls out, 2020?, but don't have the capability to see traffic or weather via ADS-b. However, the XM weather/music and the active traffic is better, I just have to pay a lot more for it. For the record I have a D10 backup that works great too. My second choice would have been AFS. Absolutely just my personal opinion and really you can't go wrong with any of the other screens. Just wanted to point out my reasons for inquiring minds. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karol Hansen" <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: RV10-List: Update on Garmin G3X > > > Thank you Robin and Dave for your good input on the G3X. We appreciate > your evaluation and comments as they ARE very helpful for those of us > still trying to finalize a panel selection and layout!!! > > Rich > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bahamas
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
I too still have an FCC restricted operator's license from 1982....it's a piece of yellow cardboard that I filled out by hand, sent it in, got it back with an FCC stamp on it. Do you think it's still valid? I will have to get the station license, at any rate, before heading north of the border. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376379#376379 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: OT Re:Guns (was Alaska )
Date: Jun 22, 2012
Ohhhh=2C I thought it was the "right to arm bears". Yeah=2C yeah........too early in the day for this. :-( > Subject: RV10-List: OT Re:Guns (was Alaska ) > From: mmayfield(at)ozemail.com.au > Date: Fri=2C 22 Jun 2012 03:32:11 -0700 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > WRT the "right" to bear arms=2C I think the meaning of "well regulated mi litia" has been somewhat lost in translation over the intervening 200+ year s. But most people apparently prefer to ignore this fact. > > -------- > Mike > > Your political opinions are noted. And ignored. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376295#376295 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bahamas
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
Bob Turner wrote: > I too still have an FCC restricted operator's license from 1982....it's a piece of yellow cardboard that I filled out by hand, sent it in, got it back with an FCC stamp on it. Do you think it's still valid? > > I will have to get the station license, at any rate, before heading north of the border. Yep, I got mine in 1967 and it is still good. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376385#376385 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 22, 2012
Subject: Re: bahamas
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com>
Guys, I don't want to "muddy the waters", but I just checked my Canadian license, and there is absolutely no reference to any restricted radio operators license or anything else in it. We Candians all have the "Passport" style license since 2009. Having said that I did get a seperate radio operators license way back in 1977 so maybe it's assumed that a Candian pilots license includes the radio license. So for anyone heading this way I can't imagine how anyone will know either way. Of course this is just MHO. I will take a look in Transport Canada's maze (web site) for more info. ;-) Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 7:12 PM, dmaib(at)me.com wrote > > > Bob Turner wrote: > > I too still have an FCC restricted operator's license from 1982....it's > a piece of yellow cardboard that I filled out by hand, sent it in, got it > back with an FCC stamp on it. Do you think it's still valid? > > > > I will have to get the station license, at any rate, before heading > north of the border. > > > Yep, I got mine in 1967 and it is still good. > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > Transition Trainer > New Smyrna Beach, FL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376385#376385 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bahamas
From: "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2012
I just got back from the Bahamas on Tuesday. Flew our Grumman AA5, and 2/3 into each flight had the wonderful thought "I'd be there if I was done with the RV-10." Anyway, flown into Bahamas and Mexico many times and never was asked for radio operator or station license. I've never gotten either. I figured when I started making international flights 13 years ago that no one was actually asking for them and so far I've been correct. I've never been asked for anything going into the Bahamas. I make copies of aircraft registration, airworthiness, and W&B as well as my pilots license and drivers license each time before I go. I've had to provide those copies in Mexico a few times, but in the Bahamas no one has ever asked for anything relating to the plane or my pilot credentials. Stopped an MYEH, MYLS, MYES, MYNN with great service by APP out of KFPR to rent vests and raft. And with all that said, I agree, the Bahamas are rather unpleasant and not worth the price of avgas to get there. (Doing my part to keep the crowds down.) This flight was also my first long flight with the ADS-B connected to my iFly. Wow, it was as big a game changer as my first handheld GPS. Leaving Dallas we dodged storms all the way to Atlanta, well out of our way, and still made it down to Florida the next day. I would have gotten stuck several times if the ADS-B radar info hadn't helped me plan deviations 80-100 miles out instead of waiting until I could see it. Not tactical (it's not real time, like on-board radar!) but as a strategic tool it's phenomenal. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376391#376391 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stick - Panel Interference
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jun 23, 2012
Jae, I agree with you. My left leg would not let the stick go that far. I would have to lift up my left leg and move the stick under it and to the left to get the right stick to interfere with the mixture control. Nevertheless, the perfectionist in me couldn't let it be. I was also concerned that the DAR would find it unacceptable. Full control stick deflections in all corners is a standard check and you look for interference, such as mine, binding of bell cranks, adequacy of control stops, and movement of rod end bearings (not hard against the retaining bracket). In reality though I could not see how I could actually get the stick way over there in flight. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376415#376415 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jun 23, 2012
That just reminded me of 2 other things. I have a GTN-650 and part of the deal with it is you buy one subscription and it covers your "system", which for me is the WAAS navigator AND the G3X. The discrete inputs on the G3X are handy. On my panel design I failed to include an alert that my fuel pump was on. If you takeoff with it running I just had to remember to turn it off. You can guess my success rate on that. Also with the Infinity stick grips the flap switch in (on) off on. It stays on in the up position. You can't hear the motor running so you can also see how easy it is to leave it on. With the G3X no problem. I wired two of the discrete inputs to give me a caution when either the flap motor or fuel pump is running. You can define your own labels and mine says "fuel pump on" and "flap motor". This displays on the PFD screen and also gives me a yellow annunciator light. This is just an example of the flexibility of the system. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376416#376416 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 23, 2012
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Stick - Panel Interference
For those flying, did your DAR make any comments with regards to stick travel and clearance from panel/switches, etc.? I would expect that nose down travel would be needed most at full aft c.g. location, and no flaps...kind of unusual to both be at full aft and need to not use flaps or flaps inop. Probably don't need near full travel even in that event. On 6/23/2012 6:37 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > This is very true wether you fly with short small people who slide their seat forward or big giant people who have it slid back. You will run out of throw due to body parts before it will hit the stops side to side. You will also never use full forward but will definitely use full aft. > The RV-10 has too much pitch authority to use full forward. I still would recommend cutting the sticks down and making sure the stick doesn't hit the panel or any switches though. But I don't think I'd bother going to extremes about the mixture/throttle/prop controls. > Tim > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 23, 2012
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Is that Garmin or Jeppesen that is granting use of data subscription for "system"? On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:09 AM, nukeflyboy wrote: > I have a GTN-650 and part of the deal with it is you buy one subscription and it covers your "system", which for me is the WAAS navigator AND the G3X. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
Date: Jun 23, 2012
Dave, My flap motor shuts off when it hits either limit. Nice to have that feature regardless of the visual warnings. I was thinking yesterday that its been about 5 years since I turned on a transponder from standby to on since my equipment turns on / off automatically. Not sure I would remember moving to a legacy transponder. Robin nukeflyboy wrote: ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jun 23, 2012
Kelly, Garmin does this. I do not think that it covers a 430/530. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376426#376426 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Stick - Panel Interference
Date: Jun 23, 2012
I had the FSDO do my plane. He took the stick through full motion looking for interference (as I expected him to do). I have the Infinity grips with standard sticks but cut down to just enough to mount the grip. I agree with all the comments however that the pilot's body is far more limiting on stick travel than anything else. Recommend however that you make sure there is no way for the stick to get caught on anything under the panel. Also remember that the stick travel is much different (less travel) with all the push tubes connected and in the final rig position. So if you are still in the fuselage stage take this into consideration before attempting to fix a problem that you may not have. Carl 13 hrs -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:46 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Stick - Panel Interference For those flying, did your DAR make any comments with regards to stick travel and clearance from panel/switches, etc.? I would expect that nose down travel would be needed most at full aft c.g. location, and no flaps...kind of unusual to both be at full aft and need to not use flaps or flaps inop. Probably don't need near full travel even in that event. On 6/23/2012 6:37 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > This is very true wether you fly with short small people who slide their seat forward or big giant people who have it slid back. You will run out of throw due to body parts before it will hit the stops side to side. You will also never use full forward but will definitely use full aft. > The RV-10 has too much pitch authority to use full forward. I still would recommend cutting the sticks down and making sure the stick doesn't hit the panel or any switches though. But I don't think I'd bother going to extremes about the mixture/throttle/prop controls. > Tim > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 23, 2012
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I dropped Vans (ShowPlanes) controller in favor of the FPS-Plus Reflex because of the infinite motor run too. I think it's a little more intuitive to operate too. I still put the visual light on the annunciator panel though just to in case I elect to use a different controller at some point in the future. Phil On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > > Dave, > My flap motor shuts off when it hits either limit. Nice to have that > feature regardless of the visual warnings. > I was thinking yesterday that its been about 5 years since I turned on a > transponder from standby to on since my equipment turns on / off > automatically. Not sure I would remember moving to a legacy transponder. > Robin > > nukeflyboy wrote: > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
Date: Jun 23, 2012
?? I have the Vans (ShowPlanes), it has an upper limit switch and stops when the flaps are up?? Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X I dropped Vans (ShowPlanes) controller in favor of the FPS-Plus Reflex because of the infinite motor run too. I think it's a little more intuitive to operate too. I still put the visual light on the annunciator panel though just to in case I elect to use a different controller at some point in the future. Phil On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Robin Marks wrote: Dave, My flap motor shuts off when it hits either limit. Nice to have that feature regardless of the visual warnings. I was thinking yesterday that its been about 5 years since I turned on a transponder from standby to on since my equipment turns on / off automatically. Not sure I would remember moving to a legacy transponder. Robin nukeflyboy wrote: ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
Date: Jun 23, 2012
I can't remember if mine wouldn't stop at the upper limit or the lower limit . It has been too long ago. But one of the limits on mine didn't exist. I also had more for stop positions on the FPS Plus Reflex. It just ended up b eing a better choice for me. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2012, at 10:13 AM, "Rene Felker" wrote: > ?? I have the Vans (ShowPlanes), it has an upper limit switch and stops w hen the flaps are up?? > > Rene' Felker > N423CF > 801-721-6080 > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:56 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Update on Garmin G3X > > I dropped Vans (ShowPlanes) controller in favor of the FPS-Plus Reflex bec ause of the infinite motor run too. I think it's a little more intuitive to operate too. > > I still put the visual light on the annunciator panel though just to in ca se I elect to use a different controller at some point in the future. > > Phil > > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Robin Marks wrote : > > Dave, > My flap motor shuts off when it hits either limit. Nice to have that featu re regardless of the visual warnings. > I was thinking yesterday that its been about 5 years since I turned on a t ransponder from standby to on since my equipment turns on / off automaticall y. Not sure I would remember moving to a legacy transponder. > Robin > > nukeflyboy wrote: > > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stick - Panel Interference
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 23, 2012
My DAR looked briefly, and made no comment, about stick travel. But I had made sure it didn't hit anything, nor can it hang up on the panel. I have a Tosten grip, and I both cut the stick down, and bent it a little more. Exception: the Tosten grip can rotate, and if I rotate it abnormally then it can touch the alternate air knob (full forward, full right). But it can't hang up, at worst it would activate the alternate air if I pulled it back like that. As Tim said, I cannot imagine using full nose down in any circumstance, including aft loadings. But for landing with forward CG I do wish it had a bit more nose up authority. I have to carry 18 lbs ballast when solo (I'm short so the seat is one notch away from full forward). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376454#376454 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 23, 2012
For those who are still considering what system to buy, Dave has an excellent point that is often overlooked: "little things count". It's easy to overlook the little things. I got some good advice from Stein who steered me toward the Horizon over the Sport, both from GRT, for my needs. HX has 8 serial inputs, more than the 4 the Sport had. "So what?" I thought. Well, guess what. I ended up using 7 of them! Same thing for analog inputs. When you're new to this it's really hard to know how many you're going to want. But whatever system you settle on don't forget to at least try to see if it has enough of the little things, like digital and analog inputs, that you'll eventually want. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376457#376457 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 23, 2012
From: "egodfrey(at)ameritech.net" <egodfrey(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
Bob, Could you provide a list of the 7 inputs that you used? Thanks. Ed Godfrey 40717 On 6/23/2012 3:49 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > For those who are still considering what system to buy, Dave has an excellent point that is often overlooked: "little things count". > > It's easy to overlook the little things. I got some good advice from Stein who steered me toward the Horizon over the Sport, both from GRT, for my needs. > HX has 8 serial inputs, more than the 4 the Sport had. "So what?" I thought. Well, guess what. I ended up using 7 of them! Same thing for analog inputs. When you're new to this it's really hard to know how many you're going to want. But whatever system you settle on don't forget to at least try to see if it has enough of the little things, like digital and analog inputs, that you'll eventually want. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376457#376457 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Update on Garmin G3X
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jun 23, 2012
Okay, I'm doing this from memory as the wiring diagram is at the airport. I cannot remember the actual port numbers. For the HX it doesn't matter, they're all the same. For the HS only 2 ports are hi speed. The HX has 8 high speed ports; the HS has 6 total, 2 high speed and 4 low. Stuff I have to be connected: GRT Horizon HX, Horizon HS, GRT EIS (GRT has engine instruments in a separate box called EIS), remote AHRS (air data, heading reference system and remote magnetometer); Trio Pro autopilot, SL-30 nav/com, G420 com/gps (no VOR), gtx 327 transponder. I have a wxworks xm weather receiver which connects to the HX via a USB connection. Stuff I have which is not connected to the GRT: home built audio panel/intercom, backup EFIS Dynon D6, hand held GPS, hand held nav/com, magnetic compass(!). As you probably know, the serial ports come in input/output pairs which are independent except they both have to run at the same speed. On the HX, serial inputs I have: AHRS, interlink from HS, SL30, gps (from 420), EIS On the HX, serial outputs I have: AHRS, interlink to HS, SL30, Trio autopilot, EIS, air data (altitude) to GTX 327, XM wx to HS (This is where I used 7 of the 8 available) On the HS, serial inputs I have: AHRS, xm wx (this must be high speed port), SL30, interlink from HX, gps from 420, EIS. (I used all 6 available ports). On the HS, serial outputs, I have: interlink to HX. You may notice a serial line out to the 420 is missing. Stein wired it so the data going to the GTX327 loops back to the 420 input. Otherwise another serial out from one of the Horizons would have been needed. I could have moved some of the outputs, like the EIS or even the air data to the transponder, from the HX over to the HS. I would have had to do this if I had only 6 ports (eg two HS units). You'll also notice that there is redundancy, e.g., gps and SL30 wired to both units. This data could go to just one EFIS, and then over the interdisplay link. But this way you don't lose that data if one EFIS fails. There is also ARINC data (HX only) between the HX, 420, and Trio. I'd be happy to try to clarify this if you have questions. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376474#376474 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Builders Incentive
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Jun 24, 2012
Just out of paint! -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone

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Subject: Re: Builders Incentive
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jun 24, 2012
Gorgeous. Well done. Warm regards Patrick On 24/06/2012, at 2:30 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > Just out of paint! > > > > -Mike Kraus > Sent from my iPhone >
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Subject: Looking for heated pitot screws
From: "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 24, 2012
I pulled my brand new 12-AN5812 Falcon Heated Pitot tube out of the box today and noticed that it has four screw holes (-4?), but no screws. There's nothing special about this pitot... I think I bought it at ACS several years ago. Has anyone else had this issue and if so where did you find screws? http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/12an5812_1.php Thanks, Jay N433RV - finishing up Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376510#376510 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Looking for heated pitot screws
From: Bob <condreyb(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 24, 2012
Jay, I've got a set you can borrow if if's time critical. You can track down a set and get them back to me. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 4:03 PM, "hotwheels" wrote: > > I pulled my brand new 12-AN5812 Falcon Heated Pitot tube out of the box today and noticed that it has four screw holes (-4?), but no screws. There's nothing special about this pitot... I think I bought it at ACS several years ago. Has anyone else had this issue and if so where did you find screws? > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/12an5812_1.php > > Thanks, > Jay > N433RV - finishing up > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376510#376510 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 24, 2012
Subject: Re: Builders Incentive
From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com>
Great, clean design, and I'm diggin' the checkered rudder! On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > > Gorgeous. Well done. > > Warm regards > > Patrick > > On 24/06/2012, at 2:30 PM, Michael Kraus > wrote: > > > Just out of paint! > > > > > > > > -Mike Kraus > > Sent from my iPhone > >
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From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 24, 2012
Subject: Re: Looking for heated pitot screws
We just went through tracking those down. They're a little odd, 6-40 thread pitch. We bought a whole box to get 4, send me your address and I'll send you some. Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 2:03 PM, hotwheels wrote: > > I pulled my brand new 12-AN5812 Falcon Heated Pitot tube out of the box > today and noticed that it has four screw holes (-4?), but no screws. > There's nothing special about this pitot... I think I bought it at ACS > several years ago. Has anyone else had this issue and if so where did you > find screws? > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/12an5812_1.php > > Thanks, > Jay > N433RV - finishing up > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376510#376510 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: A/C install gotcha
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 24, 2012
If you are planning on installing engine driven air conditioning and you are using an IO540 other than factory new, be careful to make sure that the pad for the compressor mounting bracket has the four mount holes, even better if it has studs. Not all do as we found out the hard way. It isn't the end of the world if it doesn't. If you are having a core build-up they can machine the holes at the shop, but if it slips by that step, (as mine did), the holes will then have to be drilled in the field from a jig that is available. According to Airflow Performance, two of us found ourselves in this pickle just this week. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376537#376537 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Looking for heated pitot screws
From: "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 25, 2012
Thanks to both Bob and Dave! I'll send you my mailing address offline, Dave. Hope I can return the favor someday... Cheers, Jay P.S. Here's the email I received back from Warren Gretz when I asked if he knew which screws others have used with his mount... Hello Jay, My Pitot tube mount does not come with those little screws you mentioned because the screws depend on what Pitot is to be used and normally the screws are supplied by the Mfg. of the Pitot tube. The Dynon Heated Pitot is not even drilled and tapped for screws. A fairly normal screw that is used to hold the Pitot is a #6-40, however, if you use a Dynon Pitot I recommend drilling a tapping for a #6-32 screw. Just because it is much easier to find a 6-32 screw. I hope this helps. Warren Gretz Gretz Aero, LLC [quote="dave.saylor.aircrafters(a"]We just went through tracking those down. They're a little odd, 6-40 thread pitch. We bought a whole box to get 4, send me your address and I'll send you some. Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376552#376552 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool
From: "fdombroski" <f.dombroski(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 26, 2012
I have the kit, will get it installed and on the way to Canada this week... Many Thanks Frank -------- Frank Dombroski RV-10 N10FD Flying Rv-7A N453DM Flying Subaru Project RV-8 N84FD Finished and sold :-{ SMQ Somerset Airport NJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376625#376625 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 26, 2012
Subject: Wing kit crate in a pickup?
From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com>
My (SB) wing kit is sitting at the local FedEx terminal, and I'm wondering if I need a trailer to pick it up. I know the longest crate is a tad over 14' long... which is right at the edge what I'm comfortable hauling in the back of a pickup with an 8' box. Has anyone else picked up their wings in a pickup? Or should I try to scrounge up a trailer? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Hanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Nose Gear Insert tool
Date: Jun 26, 2012
Frank, Did you receive the helicoil insert package I sent? Tom Hanaway -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of fdombroski Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nose Gear Incert tool I have the kit, will get it installed and on the way to Canada this week... Many Thanks Frank -------- Frank Dombroski RV-10 N10FD Flying Rv-7A N453DM Flying Subaru Project RV-8 N84FD Finished and sold :-{ SMQ Somerset Airport NJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376625#376625 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 26, 2012
From: Chris <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wing kit crate in a pickup?
If I recall I picked it up with a friends full 8 foot bed and the tail gate down. No issue. -Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> Subject: RV10-List: Wing kit crate in a pickup? My (SB) wing kit is sitting at the local FedEx terminal, and I'm wondering if I need a trailer to pick it up. I know the longest crate is a tad over 14' long... which is right at the edge what I'm comfortable hauling in the back of a pickup with an 8' box. Has anyone else picked up their wings in a pickup? Or should I try to scrounge up a trailer?

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