RV10-Archive.digest.vol-iv
June 26, 2012 - July 16, 2012
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| From: | JeMo <the05jerms(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing kit crate in a pickup? |
I picked mine up back in May and 4 feet of the crate hung out from the edge
of the tailgate.- I put a strap around it and a red flag and brought it
home without any issues.- See attachment.=0A=0A=0AJeremy=0A=0A-=0AFrom:
Ed Kranz =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesd
ay, June 26, 2012 9:34 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Wing kit crate in a pickup?
=0A=0A=0AMy (SB) wing kit is sitting at the local FedEx terminal, and I'm w
ondering if I need a trailer to pick it up. I know the longest crate is a t
ad over 14' long... which is right at the edge what I'm comfortable hauling
in the back of a pickup with an 8' box. =0A=0AHas anyone else picked up th
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| From: | "Spudnut" <spudnut(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Wing kit crate in a pickup? |
I carried a bit more and it all fit.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Wing kit crate in a pickup? |
| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Ed, I picked mine up in my full size Chev pickup, used tie down sraps to
keep everything secure, crossed the US Canada border, and had no issues.
Also drove approx 3 hours from the Port Huron MI, Fed Ex terminal to
home. Very do-able. I remember putting the the longest box on top.
Go for it........
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ed Kranz wrote:
> My (SB) wing kit is sitting at the local FedEx terminal, and I'm wondering
> if I need a trailer to pick it up. I know the longest crate is a tad over
> 14' long... which is right at the edge what I'm comfortable hauling in the
> back of a pickup with an 8' box.
>
> Has anyone else picked up their wings in a pickup? Or should I try to
> scrounge up a trailer?
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| Subject: | Re: Wing kit crate in a pickup? |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for all the info!
I was able to pick up my crates at the FedEx freight depot (instead of
being home from 1-5). We were able to slide the boxes right off the
forklift and into the back of the truck. One strap around the back of each
box to hold them in kept them very secure for the 30 minute drive home.
Now all I have to do is build them!
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
| From: | William DeLacey <whd721(at)msn.com> |
Lew,
I was the original inquirer.
The issue I am struggling with is using the "Solid Flange" installation using Skybolt.
I talked to Skybolt and was informed that using solid flange (Aluminum
strip) was a problem due to the angle at the top of the firewall (~15degrees).
I am working on a RV9A. I follow the RV10 list as most of the experienced builders
post there.
My concern is a using a modified cowl ( I bought a project) which may be too short.
I am exploring the possibility of using the AL strip to extend the cowl
by 1/2 to 3/4 inch. I will not receive my engine from Lyc for another month or
so.
Once I hang the engine the cowl length issue will be clearer.
Any advice or guidance would be appreciated.
Bill DeLacey
On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
>
> I just had an email inquiring about my comment on installing the solid flange
around the firewall being easier than using the "ears" supplied with the new
skybolt kits.
>
> I briefly read it in my email screener, then inadvertently deleted it. So here's
hoping you get this as a general post.
>
> Yes, you just rivet it around the firewall, then when your cowl is fit, simply
measure where you want to put the skybolts and pilot drill through the cowl
and flange -- perfect fit.
>
> Originally I think everybody had to install their own flange (the kit was just
male/female fasteners,collars, retaining rings), some scalloped it out, others
didn't -- your preference for weight, easier to bend to fit if scalloped, etc.
See Tim's site for pictures, specs on the aluminum, where to order it. The
ears work OK, but personally, I don't see them as an improvement.
>
> I hope this addressed your inquiry, if not, send it again or post it here for
other feedback.
>
> Later, - Lew
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> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Fly off completed !
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| From: | <lewgall(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Hey Bill,
Let me start with, I'm not familiar with the -9A, (~15 degrees), so here
goes for what it's worth.
The solid flange with scallop cut would be easy to bend the individual
scallops to whatever angle works.
Another suggestion about the "maybe too short cowl": several times I have
extended the aft edge of the cowl itself for guys who want the "Swiss watch"
fit, but had already cut it too short. I sand a shallow on the inner
surface of the edge at least 1/2 inch wide (think of the edge of sheetrock
where the joining tape will fill) so that you can glass in a strip of
fiberglass cloth that overlaps from the original cowl in the shallow to a
little beyond what you need on the new aft edge. Let it harden overnight
then come back with resin/cabosil to finish the outer surface flush. Sand
inner and outer surfaces flush so that you have your extension on the aft
edge with the glass cloth bonding the new edge to the original cowl. Done.
And do this before drilling for the skybolts.
Don't get impatient; mount the engine, prop, and spinner before doing any
of this since the cowl is fit from the spinner back.
Hope this helps.
Later, - Lew
-----Original Message-----
From: William DeLacey
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Lew,
I was the original inquirer.
The issue I am struggling with is using the "Solid Flange" installation
using Skybolt. I talked to Skybolt and was informed that using solid flange
(Aluminum strip) was a problem due to the angle at the top of the firewall
(~15degrees).
I am working on a RV9A. I follow the RV10 list as most of the experienced
builders post there.
My concern is a using a modified cowl ( I bought a project) which may be too
short. I am exploring the possibility of using the AL strip to extend the
cowl by 1/2 to 3/4 inch. I will not receive my engine from Lyc for another
month or so.
Once I hang the engine the cowl length issue will be clearer.
Any advice or guidance would be appreciated.
Bill DeLacey
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| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying the US |
Tim, did you get a chance to meet up with our neighbor, the Wilsons, Steve
and Barb... in the Swift.=0AWe are currently in Steamboat Springs.... and F
riday will be joined by Dave and Windy Moore in their newly commisioned RV1
0... So that gives us 3 RV10's and one RV7.=0ADon McDonald=0A =0A=0A_______
_________________________=0A From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>=0ATo: RV10 <R
V10-list(at)matronics.com> =0ASent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:25 AM=0ASubjec
t: RV10-List: Flying the US=0A =0AYesterday Ed Hayden and I finished the l
ast Northbound leg=0Aof our trip, arriving in Fairbanks, AK!- So far this
has been=0Aa really great trip, and some of the flying has been pretty=0Ac
hallenging in terms of weather conditions and such, with heavy=0Ause of the
freedom allowed by flying in the class G airspace=0Aunder 1200' being the
only way we could have made it here=0Athus far. It's been a real adventure!
=0A=0AAlthough I am sad to have to cheat on claiming Hawaii, landing=0Ain N
orthway, AK did complete my flying and landing in all of the=0A50 US states
(I rented a twin and brought the keys from N104CD to=0Afly Hawaii), and Ca
nada, Mexico, and the Bahamas.- The RV-10=0Ahas brought us to all of thes
e places in more comfort and=0Afun than I ever would have imagined when I d
id my first flight=0Ain it nearly 6.5 years ago.- Van's put together a gr
eat kit,=0Athat is for sure.- The $3000 or $4000 or whatever it is that w
e=0Apaid for the seats has proven valuable in comfort, as I've=0Anever spen
t so many traveling hours in a seat as comfortable as=0Athese by Oregon Aer
o.=0A=0AWe'll have a good trip report when I get back, of course, but I'm
=0Astill looking forward to many more stops and many more days with=0Alots
more great photos.- So far from what I see, Alaska=0Aprobably not only ri
vals, but beats Hawaii for scenic beauty, and=0AI didn't know if that was p
ossible.=0A=0AIt's been a heck of a ride, but with 50 states done, I now ha
ve to=0Acontemplate if I want to give it a shot at doing the North Atlantic
=0Aroute to Europe some day.... :)=0A=0A-- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD=0Ado no
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newer "gray"
cowling. It is posted here
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybolt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each one
of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went back to the
hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using the hinges
on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hinge pins remove
very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and improvement in
regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top hinges, due to the
curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to remove the cowl. installing
the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a great improvement.
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Assembling the brakes on the mains the other day and I noticed that the
two bolts that came with the brake assemblies which attach the back
plate were not drilled head bolts. Every plane I've seen has these two
bolts safety-wired.
Did others get non-drilled head bolts with their brake assemblies, or is
it just me?
I believe that those two bolts are AN4-20? Is that what others replaced
them with for safety wiring?
-Sean #40303 (Overhead Console)
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Having drilled head bolts there is a belt and suspenders approach. In
most Cleveland brake calipers the bolts go into self locking threads and
need no additional retention. The Cessna 170/172 Cleveland retrofit kits
don't have drilled bolts either...flew with them for 20+ years with no
problems.
On 6/28/2012 6:42 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> Assembling the brakes on the mains the other day and I noticed that
> the two bolts that came with the brake assemblies which attach the
> back plate were not drilled head bolts. Every plane I've seen has
> these two bolts safety-wired.
>
> Did others get non-drilled head bolts with their brake assemblies, or
> is it just me?
>
> I believe that those two bolts are AN4-20? Is that what others
> replaced them with for safety wiring?
>
> -Sean #40303 (Overhead Console)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
| From: | "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> |
They are not drilled head bolts. The DAR noticed this during our AW inspection
and asked about it. We looked in the plans and found that they do not call for
drilled heads. He was surprised, but OK with it since it was per plans. I decided
to go ahead and install drilled head bolts and safety wire for peace of mind.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376775#376775
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Gear Insert tool |
| From: | "fdombroski" <f.dombroski(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Tom, I received the insert pack, I will send them along with the kit. Many
thanks...
Frank
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Frank Dombroski
RV-10 N10FD Flying
Rv-7A N453DM Flying Subaru
RV-8 N84FD Finished and sold :-{
SMQ Somerset Airport NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Note that it is Cleveland that supplies the brakes without drilled head
bolts. I don't recall which variety of self locking they use, but the
calipers definitely have self locking on those bolts. You cannot back a
bolt out 1/2 turn and then hand turn bolt as you could if they were
ordinary threads.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, dmaib(at)me.com wrote:
>
> They are not drilled head bolts. The DAR noticed this during our AW
> inspection and asked about it. We looked in the plans and found that they
> do not call for drilled heads. He was surprised, but OK with it since it
> was per plans. I decided to go ahead and install drilled head bolts and
> safety wire for peace of mind.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
> New Smyrna Beach, FL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376775#376775
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Another area that could be addressed is that Cleveland uses nylock nuts to
secure the guide pins. I've seen the plastic melted away after the brakes
get hot. That's a good place for a metal nut. Not that there's a huge
chance of the guide pins falling out but it couldn't hurt.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Having drilled head bolts there is a belt and suspenders approach. In most
> Cleveland brake calipers the bolts go into self locking threads and need no
> additional retention. The Cessna 170/172 Cleveland retrofit kits don't have
> drilled bolts either...flew with them for 20+ years with no problems.
>
>
> On 6/28/2012 6:42 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
>>
>> Assembling the brakes on the mains the other day and I noticed that the
>> two bolts that came with the brake assemblies which attach the back plate
>> were not drilled head bolts. Every plane I've seen has these two bolts
>> safety-wired.
>>
>> Did others get non-drilled head bolts with their brake assemblies, or is
>> it just me?
>>
>> I believe that those two bolts are AN4-20? Is that what others replaced
>> them with for safety wiring?
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (Overhead Console)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
Yes, the non-drilled bolts come with the kit from Parker/Cleveland. I
noticed that locking effect when I was removing the bolts. It would
seem to prevent the bolt from backing out under most if not all
vibration scenarios when torqued to the spec on the calipers.
I was just wondering if some folks but on their belt and suspenders and
swapped them out for AN4H-20A.
On 6/28/12 10:17 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Note that it is Cleveland that supplies the brakes without drilled
> head bolts. I don't recall which variety of self locking they use, but
> the calipers definitely have self locking on those bolts. You cannot
> back a bolt out 1/2 turn and then hand turn bolt as you could if they
> were ordinary threads.
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, dmaib(at)me.com
> > wrote:
>
> " >
>
> They are not drilled head bolts. The DAR noticed this during our
> AW inspection and asked about it. We looked in the plans and found
> that they do not call for drilled heads. He was surprised, but OK
> with it since it was per plans. I decided to go ahead and install
> drilled head bolts and safety wire for peace of mind.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
> New Smyrna Beach, FL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376775#376775
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
the wheel assemblies are supplied by MATCO. Matco has changed to Nordlock
washers as the fastener of choice. The AN4H (with hole in the head) has
been replaced with Nordlocks.
Johnny Horizon
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Having drilled head bolts there is a belt and suspenders approach. In most
> Cleveland brake calipers the bolts go into self locking threads and need no
> additional retention. The Cessna 170/172 Cleveland retrofit kits don't have
> drilled bolts either...flew with them for 20+ years with no problems.
>
>
> On 6/28/2012 6:42 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
>>
>> Assembling the brakes on the mains the other day and I noticed that the
>> two bolts that came with the brake assemblies which attach the back plate
>> were not drilled head bolts. Every plane I've seen has these two bolts
>> safety-wired.
>>
>> Did others get non-drilled head bolts with their brake assemblies, or is
>> it just me?
>>
>> I believe that those two bolts are AN4-20? Is that what others replaced
>> them with for safety wiring?
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (Overhead Console)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
My "main" wheels and brake kits are from Parker Cleveland. It came with
AN4-20A bolts to attach the back plate.
The nose wheel axle has the Nordlock washers, not the main
wheels/brakes. At least on my kit.
-Sean #40303
On 6/28/12 11:16 AM, John Cox wrote:
> the wheel assemblies are supplied by MATCO. Matco has changed to
> Nordlock washers as the fastener of choice. The AN4H (with hole in
> the head) has been replaced with Nordlocks.
> Johnny Horizon
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Kelly McMullen > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Having drilled head bolts there is a belt and suspenders approach.
> In most Cleveland brake calipers the bolts go into self locking
> threads and need no additional retention. The Cessna 170/172
> Cleveland retrofit kits don't have drilled bolts either...flew
> with them for 20+ years with no problems.
>
>
> On 6/28/2012 6:42 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> >
>
> Assembling the brakes on the mains the other day and I noticed
> that the two bolts that came with the brake assemblies which
> attach the back plate were not drilled head bolts. Every
> plane I've seen has these two bolts safety-wired.
>
> Did others get non-drilled head bolts with their brake
> assemblies, or is it just me?
>
> I believe that those two bolts are AN4-20? Is that what
> others replaced them with for safety wiring?
>
> -Sean #40303 (Overhead Console)
>
>
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| From: | "Thane States" <thane2(at)comporium.net> |
| Subject: | Re: high oil PSI. |
After validating my oil PSI was ok with a mechanical gauge. I then
began to hunt for the cause of my oil PSI going up to 99 PSI. What I
found was that I had a failure in the one wire that comes off the
sender. After replacing the whole wire the Oil PSI was back to normal.
Initially, I replaced the connector on the sender and that did nothing.
I had to go back to basics and get the old continuity tester out, and
that was how I found the failed connector under the panel. Thanks to
those who posted with helpful ideas.
Thane Sates
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From: pilotdds
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: high oil PSI.
Thane keep me posted on this I made an unscheduled stop in blythe Ca
after a 7000 mile trip
Over the course of 300 miles the oil pressure indication went from83to
95 when I landed.Temp dropped but I richened the mixture and reduced
RPM.I removed the cowl at BLH and tapped on the vernitherm,wiggled wires
and turned down oilpressure adjustment but only one turn in case it was
an erroneos reading.On talkoff it was 92 but came down to 85 and I was
able to return home.I am using grt equipment also but have had no
trouble.This weekend I will check accuracy with a mechanical gauge.Sac
sky ranch talks about possible blockage inthe right oil gallery but that
may be jumping the gun.My engine is a narrow deck 540 that i overhauled
myself with 450 hours using aeroshell 100 plus.To: rv10-list
Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 11:27 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: high oil PSI.
Ok Guys, finally got the Oil PSi. sender changed today, and now am
even more confused.
Upon start, the Oil psi was at 99 psi and stayed there. I did a 5-7
minute engine run, and the psi never changed from
99 psi.
Any ideas?? Could I have a brand new sender that is bad?
Thanks in advance,
Thane
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From: DLM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: high oil PSI.
welcome to the club.the VDO 360-003 is the same used on a certified
Piper product. The cost with the FAA PMA stamped exceeds $200. they are
available to the experimental machines for $28 from
http://www.jegs.com/i/VDO/918/360-003/10002/-1. The first lasted about
$500 hours; the second gave intermittent high readings in about 25
hours.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Froehlich
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:42 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: high oil PSI.
I=C2=92ve seen the GRT fuel pressure sender go bad and read real
high.
I=C2=92d guess you have a bad sender.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:01 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: high oil PSI.
Hey guys, I went out flying this weekend and had a strange rise
in oil psi. Ist, I have a BPE, IO-540. 222 hrs. I was at 4500 msl when
I glanced over to see my oil psi at 91 psi. Within a minute it jumped
one more psi and so on until it showed 99 psi. By this time I already
turned back for home, and had reduced power to see if that helped. That
didn't change anything. Once I landed, and was at taxi power, it showed
in the low 70's.
Anyone else ever see this? BTW, I have the GRT system, and I am
on my 3rd. fuel psi sender. Could this be the same problem, bad
sender??
Thane states
RV-10
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Has Van's changed from Cleveland wheels/brakes for the mains? When I got my
finish kit 18 mo ago it was all Cleveland on the mains. The Clevelands do
not use drilled head bolts.
Kelly
40866
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:16 AM, John Cox wrote:
> the wheel assemblies are supplied by MATCO. Matco has changed to Nordlock
> washers as the fastener of choice. The AN4H (with hole in the head) has
> been replaced with Nordlocks.
>
> Johnny Horizon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net> |
Hmmm. My brakes are Grove and the bolts came drilled. Has Van's been changing
suppliers?
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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| From: | "Steve Stella" <Sstella(at)incisaledge.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
I just got my finish kit on Tuesday and the brakes were also Grove.
Steve Stella
#40654
521RV (reserved)
Finishing
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled?
Hmmm. My brakes are Grove and the bolts came drilled. Has Van's been
changing suppliers?
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on the
8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.
On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano hing
es damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl. A lon
ger nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
Absolutely don't use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just too
much vibration, oil etc... for them to hold up long term. Ask me how I kno
w?
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
to:peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>>
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newe
r "gray" cowling. It is posted here http://www.vansairforce.com/community
/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybolt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each
one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went bac
k to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using t
he hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hing
e pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and
improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top
hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to
remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a g
reat improvement.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I think I read that Vans had changed the main wheels.
Are the Grove brake pads less expensive than the $18 each Clevelands?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the
photos. Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners over
the top and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach
to firewall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on
> the 8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.****
>
> On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano
> hinges damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl.
A
> longer nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
*
> ***
>
> Absolutely don=92t use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just
> too much vibration, oil etc=85 for them to hold up long term. Ask me how
I
> know?****
>
> ** **
>
> Robin****
>
> ** **
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
>
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>
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>
> ** **
>
> You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the
> newer "gray" cowling. It is posted here
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight
=skybolt
> ****
>
> There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around
> each one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I we
nt
> back to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work.
> Using the hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint.
> The hinge pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that reall
y
> sees and improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling
.
> The top hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly
> upwards to remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top
> would be a great improvement.****
>
> ** **
>
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Correct, the locks are along all the edges of the top cowl. I forgot which
locks I got but they are the ones that allow you to adjust for height. On t
he 8A I used all #SS screws & washers in place of the locks. Saved $500 and
some weight. Plus much easier & cheaper to replace in the field.
The Piano hinges are on the sides of the lower cowl and have damaged some o
f the fuse paint when taking on / off the cowl so many times (mostly due to
the SJ cowl). If I had made the nose gear slot longer it may have been eas
ier to drop the lower cowl down enough to better position it for installati
on without smacking the fuse with the shark tooth like piano hinges.
Did that answer your Q's?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the photos
. Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners over the to
p and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach to fire
wall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks > wrote:
Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on the
8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.
On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano hing
es damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl. A lon
ger nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
Absolutely don't use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just too
much vibration, oil etc... for them to hold up long term. Ask me how I kno
w?
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl-Fitting-6.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2448.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2453.jpg]
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tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
to:peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>>
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newe
r "gray" cowling. It is posted here http://www.vansairforce.com/community
/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybolt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each
one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went bac
k to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using t
he hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hing
e pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and
improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top
hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to
remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a g
reat improvement.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, mostly. I'm assuming with the SS screws you are using an aluminum
strip with nutplates on the inside of cowling?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Correct, the locks are *along all the edges of the top cowl*. I forgot
> which locks I got but they are the ones that allow you to adjust for
> height. On the 8A I used all #SS screws & washers in place of the locks.
> Saved $500 and some weight. Plus much easier & cheaper to replace in the
> field.****
>
> The Piano hinges are on the sides of the lower cowl and have damaged some
> of the fuse paint when taking on / off the cowl so many times (mostly due
> to the SJ cowl). If I had made the nose gear slot longer it may have been
> easier to drop the lower cowl down enough to better position it for
> installation without smacking the fuse with the shark tooth like piano
> hinges.****
>
> Did that answer your Q's?****
>
> ** **
>
> Robin****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kelly McMullen
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:50 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation****
>
> ** **
>
> Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the
> photos. Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners ove
r
> the top and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach
> to firewall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?****
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks
> wrote:****
>
> Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on
> the 8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.****
>
> On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano
> hinges damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl.
A
> longer nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
*
> ***
>
> Absolutely don=92t use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just
> too much vibration, oil etc=85 for them to hold up long term. Ask me how
I
> know?****
>
> ****
>
> Robin****
>
> ****
>
> http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx ****
>
> [image: Description:
> http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/Cowl-Fitting-
6.jpg]
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> [image: Description:
> http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/100_2448.jpg]
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> http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/100_2453.jpg]
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> owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation****
>
> ****
>
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> *
>
> ****
>
> You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the
> newer "gray" cowling. It is posted here
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight
=skybolt
> ****
>
> There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around
> each one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I we
nt
> back to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work.
> Using the hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint.
> The hinge pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that reall
y
> sees and improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling
.
> The top hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly
> upwards to remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top
> would be a great improvement.****
>
> ****
>
> --------****
>
> Bill****
>
> WA0SYV****
>
> Aviation Partners, LLC****
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net> |
Bob Turner wrote:
> I think I read that Vans had changed the main wheels.
> Are the Grove brake pads less expensive than the $18 each Clevelands?
Appears to be. From the Grove Website, the pads for the the 36-2M caliper that
came in my kit:
066-105 Brake Pad
Each - P/N: 066-105 - $7.45
Kit - P/N: 066-105K - $26.50
Includes 4 pads and 8 rivets
--------
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728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Exactly. Used #8 with hellman ? Washers. always wanted to try next larger
size and a couple fewer sets but didn't.
Robin
Kelly McMullen wrote:
Yes, mostly. I'm assuming with the SS screws you are using an aluminum stri
p with nutplates on the inside of cowling?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Robin Marks > wrote:
Correct, the locks are along all the edges of the top cowl. I forgot which
locks I got but they are the ones that allow you to adjust for height. On t
he 8A I used all #SS screws & washers in place of the locks. Saved $500 and
some weight. Plus much easier & cheaper to replace in the field.
The Piano hinges are on the sides of the lower cowl and have damaged some o
f the fuse paint when taking on / off the cowl so many times (mostly due to
the SJ cowl). If I had made the nose gear slot longer it may have been eas
ier to drop the lower cowl down enough to better position it for installati
on without smacking the fuse with the shark tooth like piano hinges.
Did that answer your Q's?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the photos
. Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners over the to
p and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach to fire
wall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks > wrote:
Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on the
8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.
On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano hing
es damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl. A lon
ger nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
Absolutely don=92t use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just t
oo much vibration, oil etc=85 for them to hold up long term. Ask me how I k
now?
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl-Fitting-6.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2448.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2453.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2450.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl_Left.jpg]
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tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
to:peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>>
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newe
r "gray" cowling. It is posted here http://www.vansairforce.com/community
/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybolt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each
one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went bac
k to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using t
he hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hing
e pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and
improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top
hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to
remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a g
reat improvement.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Back Plate Bolts Not Drilled? |
| From: | "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com> |
In looking at the differences between the Grove and Cleveland brakes the Grove's
appear to be a bit stronger. The Grove's are rated at 7000lbs with 186792 lb-ft
and the Cleveland's are rated 6000 lbs with 185000 ft-lbs. Not that the
Cleveland brakes are all that bad, but I sure am glad they moved in the right
direction by beefing them up just a bit.
Noticed the other night we are approaching 400 hours - how time flies when you're,
well, flying!
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Correction:
Not Hellman Washers. They are more famous for their mayonnaise.
We use Tinnerman Washers
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/nas549washers2.php
Of note, we didn't want as large a flange on the Tinnerman washers (especia
lly on the spinner) so we took about a hundred washers and laced them on an
appropriate size bolt then used a grinding wheel to remove about half the
flange. This took less than 5 minutes to make 100 custom Tinnerman washers.
One can use standard washers, we just thought the reduced flange looked be
tter for this application.
[Description: C:\Users\Robin\Desktop\Washer Detail.jpg]
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Exactly. Used #8 with hellman ? Washers. always wanted to try next larger
size and a couple fewer sets but didn't.
Robin
Kelly McMullen > wrote:
Yes, mostly. I'm assuming with the SS screws you are using an aluminum stri
p with nutplates on the inside of cowling?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Robin Marks > wrote:
Correct, the locks are along all the edges of the top cowl. I forgot which
locks I got but they are the ones that allow you to adjust for height. On t
he 8A I used all #SS screws & washers in place of the locks. Saved $500 and
some weight. Plus much easier & cheaper to replace in the field.
The Piano hinges are on the sides of the lower cowl and have damaged some o
f the fuse paint when taking on / off the cowl so many times (mostly due to
the SJ cowl). If I had made the nose gear slot longer it may have been eas
ier to drop the lower cowl down enough to better position it for installati
on without smacking the fuse with the shark tooth like piano hinges.
Did that answer your Q's?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the photos
. Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners over the to
p and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach to fire
wall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks > wrote:
Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on the
8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.
On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano hing
es damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl. A lon
ger nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
Absolutely don't use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just too
much vibration, oil etc... for them to hold up long term. Ask me how I kno
w?
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl-Fitting-6.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2448.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2453.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/1
00_2450.jpg]
[Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/C
owl_Left.jpg]
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tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
to:peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>>
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newe
r "gray" cowling. It is posted here http://www.vansairforce.com/community
/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybolt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each
one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went bac
k to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using t
he hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hing
e pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and
improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top
hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to
remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a g
reat improvement.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation |
Another way to do the spinner is to take #6 Tinnerman washers and drill them
out to take a #8 screw.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Correction:
Not Hellman Washers. They are more famous for their mayonnaise.
We use Tinnerman Washers
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/nas549washers2.php
Of note, we didn't want as large a flange on the Tinnerman washers
(especially on the spinner) so we took about a hundred washers and laced
them on an appropriate size bolt then used a grinding wheel to remove about
half the flange. This took less than 5 minutes to make 100 custom Tinnerman
washers. One can use standard washers, we just thought the reduced flange
looked better for this application.
Description: C:\Users\Robin\Desktop\Washer Detail.jpg
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Exactly. Used #8 with hellman ? Washers. always wanted to try next larger
size and a couple fewer sets but didn't.
Robin
Kelly McMullen wrote:
Yes, mostly. I'm assuming with the SS screws you are using an aluminum strip
with nutplates on the inside of cowling?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
Correct, the locks are along all the edges of the top cowl. I forgot which
locks I got but they are the ones that allow you to adjust for height. On
the 8A I used all #SS screws & washers in place of the locks. Saved $500 and
some weight. Plus much easier & cheaper to replace in the field.
The Piano hinges are on the sides of the lower cowl and have damaged some of
the fuse paint when taking on / off the cowl so many times (mostly due to
the SJ cowl). If I had made the nose gear slot longer it may have been
easier to drop the lower cowl down enough to better position it for
installation without smacking the fuse with the shark tooth like piano
hinges.
Did that answer your Q's?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
Robin, just trying to comprehend what you said and what I see in the photos.
Looks like you have Skybolts or some other camlock fasterners over the top
and out to the front, with piano hinge for the bottom half attach to
firewall. Is that correct, or are my eyes fooling me?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
Here is our solution for the -10. Works well. I opted for S/S screws on the
8A to save $, weight and simplify the build.
On the -10 especially I have had issues with the lower side cowl piano
hinges damaging the fuse paint when removing & installing the lower cowl. A
longer nose wheel slot would have been beneficial to ease all the on/off.
Absolutely don't use Skybolts on the underside of the cowl (IMHO). Just too
much vibration, oil etc. for them to hold up long term. Ask me how I know?
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/SjCowl.aspx
Description:
http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/Cowl-Fitting-6.j
pg
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill.peyton
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Skybolt Fasteners - Installation
peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
You should read the thread on VAF regarding the installation using the newer
"gray" cowling. It is posted here
<http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skyb
olt>
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86547&highlight=skybo
lt
There are issues with the new cowling that require grinding out around each
one of the fasteners for clearance. In spite of the fact that I went back
to the hinge, I should have made the top edge installation work. Using the
hinges on the sides makes for a much nicer and stronger joint. The hinge
pins remove very easily. Around the top is the area that really sees and
improvement in regards to removing and re-installing the cowling. The top
hinges, due to the curvature, prevent you from lifting directly upwards to
remove the cowl. installing the Skybolt fasteners on the top would be a
great improvement.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the US |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
Talkeetna, AK is a very cool place to stop on an airplane adventure. It is the
jumping off point for 98% of all McKinley climbs and the airplanes that fly there
are really neat with the ski/wheel combo gear. They also have a great museum.
Stay with Paula at the Northern guest house, uber reasonable and quiet - right
across from the airport. If you get a deal on a base camp glacier landing,
I will be jealous........not the regular glacier landing that they do at 1500
ft - but the base camp landing at 7000 ft!
--------
See you OSH '12
Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
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| From: | Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu> |
| Subject: | AirVenture ride wanted |
Anyone close to New England flying themselves to AirVenture this year
with an empty seat? There's a delightful young woman in our EAA chapter
who is looking for a ride. She would, of course, share expenses. We're
in Connecticut.
--Rick
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | IO-540 crankcase breather |
All,
I was going to use the same crankcase breather oil separator that I have on
the 8A http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/hboilbreather.php
but then I noted the IO-540 has a huge crankcase breather fitting for a 1"
inside diameter hose. The above separator uses 5/8" hose.
This separator works well on the IO-360 in the 8A. Is anyone using this on
a IO-540? Does the IO-540 really need a 1" breather hose?
Carl
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: IO-540 crankcase breather |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, the debates with no data. Everything that comes out the breather
started in the engine and will be in just as high concentration there.
Folks get confused, thinking the separator somehow concentrates
contaminates, or condenses water vapor.
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
>
>
> Also, there are debates regarding putting the oil byproducts in the
> breather back into the engine.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: IO-540 crankcase breather |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
I don't get any noceable oil out the breather, either. I run about 8 qts
as indicated on the dipstick.
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Yes, the debates with no data. Everything that comes out the breather
> started in the engine and will be in just as high concentration there.
> Folks get confused, thinking the separator somehow concentrates
> contaminates, or condenses water vapor.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Also, there are debates regarding putting the oil byproducts in the
>> breather back into the engine.
>>
>>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
Has anybody tried this on an RV-10:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/rvjack.php
I'm looking for a traveling jack for changing tires, not a wing jack.
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Isn't that thing in the way of changing a tire? Looks like you still need a jack
stand somewhere?
Also I think our axles are solid?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | FW: Building order |
Guys
I have 2 questions about the building order you used when building your -10:
- When did you make the empennage attachment to the tail cone? Was it
right after finishing the tail cone, without attaching it to rest of the
fuselage or only after attaching the tail cone to the rest of the fuselage?
- When did you begin the wiring in the fuselage? Was it before or after
installing the fibreglass cabin cover?
Best
Carlos
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FW: Building order |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
I attached the tail cone to the fuse, then final mounted the empannage after
that.
I'd wire as much as you can before landing gear and before cabin top. The l
anding gear makes the plane real tall and the cabin top gets in the way for w
iring. In the end, it doesn't matter, but I found it easier to wire with it
low to the ground and open.
-Mike Kraus
RV-10 Flying and Painted!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:37 PM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote:
> Guys
>
> I have 2 questions about the building order you used when building your -1
0:
> - When did you make the empennage attachment to the tail cone? Was it ri
ght after finishing the tail cone, without attaching it to rest of the fusel
age or only after attaching the tail cone to the rest of the fuselage?
> - When did you begin the wiring in the fuselage? Was it before or after i
nstalling the fibreglass cabin cover?
>
> Best
> Carlos
>
>
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| From: | "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Building order |
On my =9310,
1) checked fit of empennage to tail cone, then removed for painting,
did not re-install until final assembly at airport.
2) did 99% of all wiring with cabin top off and fuse not on the landing
gear, but on shop dolly for much better access and mobility.
Bob Newman
N541RV 70 hrs.
www.tcwtech.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Hanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Building order |
Same as Bob. Except for shop dolly which sounds like a great idea.
Tom Hanaway
N518TP 42.6 hours
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Building order
On my =9310,
1) checked fit of empennage to tail cone, then removed for painting,
did not re-install until final assembly at airport.
2) did 99% of all wiring with cabin top off and fuse not on the landing
gear, but on shop dolly for much better access and mobility.
Bob Newman
N541RV 70 hrs.
www.tcwtech.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
I recall a leaver arm and wire cable set up that worked on the 2 place RV's. Sorry
no further info but seemed to be a nifty design and easy to replicate in your
shop if so inclined.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 3:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tire Jack
Isn't that thing in the way of changing a tire? Looks like you still need a jack
stand somewhere?
Also I think our axles are solid?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377009#377009
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FW: Building order |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
Don't attach the cabin cover if you are planning on installing and overhead c
onsole. It is easy to install with the cabin cover upside down.
The same goes for the upper fuselage assembly. I wired my panel with the u
pper fuselage assembly on the dining room table. Much easier than one the
airplane. It also goes on and off the aircraft with the cabin cover install
.
I think on the gear made wiring easier. You can stand along the fuselage an
d not have to bend over all the time.
I'm just now fiberglassing the cabin cover and putting in the windows as one
of the last tasks to complete
The good thing about this is that there is no right way, just whatever works
for you.
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Michael Kraus wrote
:
> I attached the tail cone to the fuse, then final mounted the empannage aft
er that.
>
> I'd wire as much as you can before landing gear and before cabin top. The
landing gear makes the plane real tall and the cabin top gets in the way fo
r wiring. In the end, it doesn't matter, but I found it easier to wire with
it low to the ground and open.
>
> -Mike Kraus
> RV-10 Flying and Painted!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:37 PM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote:
>
>> Guys
>>
>> I have 2 questions about the building order you used when building your -
10:
>> - When did you make the empennage attachment to the tail cone? Was it r
ight after finishing the tail cone, without attaching it to rest of the fuse
lage or only after attaching the tail cone to the rest of the fuselage?
>> - When did you begin the wiring in the fuselage? Was it before or after
installing the fibreglass cabin cover?
>>
>> Best
>> Carlos
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
Bob Turner wrote:
> Isn't that thing in the way of changing a tire? Looks like you still need a jack
stand somewhere?
> Also I think our axles are solid?
I sort of thought the same thing, but I'd like to have something for my upcoming
OSH trip followed by the Great NorthWest. Bound to need it somewhere.
Planning on the whole week at OSH, followed by Glacier, spots in between, possibly
the Pacific, then point it back towards Georgia. My fly rod will be close
at hand (g).
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | FW: Building order |
Bob
Can you please explain to a non-native English speaker what do you mean by a
shop "dolly"
Thanks
Carlos
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw
Sent: segunda-feira, 2 de Julho de 2012 0:19
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Building order
On my -10,
1) checked fit of empennage to tail cone, then removed for painting, did
not re-install until final assembly at airport.
2) did 99% of all wiring with cabin top off and fuse not on the landing
gear, but on shop dolly for much better access and mobility.
Bob Newman
N541RV 70 hrs.
www.tcwtech.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Building order |
It is also easier to finish the cabin top (paint or in my case a headliner)
with it off the fuselage and upside down. Windows are last on the list -
and after final interior paint. Then comes a year or so of fiberglass prep.
Doing the fiberglass structure is easy - getting it to look like something
you want your name associated with is way hard. Do not fit the wingtips
until after you do the trial wing attachment to the fuselage, and after you
are absolutely sure you have proper rigging on the flaps and ailerons. The
wing tips can move an inch or so up and down so make sure they line up with
the correct aileron placement before you drill the mounting holes.
I did everything up to engine mount and first wing fit with the fuselage in
the basement on short legs bolted to the spar.
Carl
17 hrs and still chasing my tail trying to get the wheel pants and gear leg
fairings properly aligned.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Building order
Don't attach the cabin cover if you are planning on installing and overhead
console. It is easy to install with the cabin cover upside down.
The same goes for the upper fuselage assembly. I wired my panel with the
upper fuselage assembly on the dining room table. Much easier than one
the airplane. It also goes on and off the aircraft with the cabin cover
install.
I think on the gear made wiring easier. You can stand along the fuselage
and not have to bend over all the time.
I'm just now fiberglassing the cabin cover and putting in the windows as one
of the last tasks to complete
The good thing about this is that there is no right way, just whatever works
for you.
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Michael Kraus
wrote:
I attached the tail cone to the fuse, then final mounted the empannage after
that.
I'd wire as much as you can before landing gear and before cabin top. The
landing gear makes the plane real tall and the cabin top gets in the way for
wiring. In the end, it doesn't matter, but I found it easier to wire with
it low to the ground and open.
-Mike Kraus
RV-10 Flying and Painted!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:37 PM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote:
Guys
I have 2 questions about the building order you used when building your -10:
- When did you make the empennage attachment to the tail cone? Was it
right after finishing the tail cone, without attaching it to rest of the
fuselage or only after attaching the tail cone to the rest of the fuselage?
- When did you begin the wiring in the fuselage? Was it before or after
installing the fibreglass cabin cover?
Best
Carlos
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| From: | "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Building order |
Carlos, I made a roll around platform from 2 sheets of (4 x 8 )
plywood screwed to a 2=9D x 6=9D framework, attached swivel
casters to the platform. In the attached photo you=99ll see
the fuse sitting on the dolly.
Bob
From: Carlos Trigo
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Building order
Bob
Can you please explain to a non-native English speaker what do you mean
by a shop =9Cdolly=9D
Thanks
Carlos
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw
Sent: segunda-feira, 2 de Julho de 2012 0:19
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Building order
On my =9310,
1) checked fit of empennage to tail cone, then removed for painting,
did not re-install until final assembly at airport.
2) did 99% of all wiring with cabin top off and fuse not on the landing
gear, but on shop dolly for much better access and mobility.
Bob Newman
N541RV 70 hrs.
www.tcwtech.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht
tp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Building order |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Same as Bob Newman, including the dolly.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377039#377039
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IO-540 crankcase breather |
I just have the standard breather that exits over the exhaust pipe. I add
a quart when it gets to 8. I clean the belly two or three times a year,
which takes about 15 minutes.
I get a drip on the floor if it doesn't fly for a couple weeks--never any
more than that.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
1087 hours
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> I don't get any noceable oil out the breather, either. I run about 8 qts
> as indicated on the dipstick.
>
> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>> Yes, the debates with no data. Everything that comes out the breather
>> started in the engine and will be in just as high concentration there.
>> Folks get confused, thinking the separator somehow concentrates
>> contaminates, or condenses water vapor.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
>>
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>>> Also, there are debates regarding putting the oil byproducts in the
>>> breather back into the engine.
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> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Building order |
just for clarity, 1 sheet of plywood, ripped in half, so final dolly
size was 2=99 x 8=99.
From: bob-tcw
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Building order
Carlos, I made a roll around platform from 2 sheets of (4 x 8 )
plywood screwed to a 2=9D x 6=9D framework, attached swivel
casters to the platform. In the attached photo you=99ll see
the fuse sitting on the dolly.
Bob
From: Carlos Trigo
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Building order
Bob
Can you please explain to a non-native English speaker what do you mean
by a shop =9Cdolly=9D
Thanks
Carlos
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw
Sent: segunda-feira, 2 de Julho de 2012 0:19
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Building order
On my =9310,
1) checked fit of empennage to tail cone, then removed for painting,
did not re-install until final assembly at airport.
2) did 99% of all wiring with cabin top off and fuse not on the landing
gear, but on shop dolly for much better access and mobility.
Bob Newman
N541RV 70 hrs.
www.tcwtech.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht
tp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | : RV10-List:Dolly (was Building order) |
Thanks Bob
Looks good, and indeed it seems to be a very good idea.
Carlos
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw
Sent: segunda-feira, 2 de Julho de 2012 1:19
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Building order
Carlos, I made a roll around platform from 2 sheets of (4 x 8 ) plywood
screwed to a 2" x 6" framework, attached swivel casters to the platform.
In the attached photo you'll see the fuse sitting on the dolly.
Bob
From: Carlos Trigo <mailto:trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Building order
Bob
Can you please explain to a non-native English speaker what do you mean by a
shop "dolly"
Thanks
Carlos
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw
Sent: segunda-feira, 2 de Julho de 2012 0:19
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Building order
On my -10,
1) checked fit of empennage to tail cone, then removed for painting, did
not re-install until final assembly at airport.
2) did 99% of all wiring with cabin top off and fuse not on the landing
gear, but on shop dolly for much better access and mobility.
Bob Newman
N541RV 70 hrs.
www.tcwtech.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Greg McFarlane" <grbcmcfarlane(at)gmail.com> |
A normal small sedan scissor jack fits in under the brake side of the axle on 2
place revs (rv6 etc) is cheap, available and allows full removal of the wheel,
a safety block under the axle when the wheel is removed is agood idea. On the
RV10 a small mod is required to the jack because the front bottom brake attach
bolt sticks out & the jack will contact that before the axle, would probably
be OK but I prefer to take the weight on the axle. A rag or piece of rubber
between the axle & jack prevents any marks,damage etc to the axle. If you think
you need to fly with a jack in baggage this one is light safe & does not contain
any oil that could leak. Cheers Greg.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377066#377066
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Building order |
| From: | Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com> |
With regards to making a dolly to move the fuselage around. I adapted some
tires during construction to allow me to roll the fuselage around.
Pictures are attached.
Fuselage remained low to make it easy to work on and It was easily moved
around.
Jim Combs
N312F
I gave these to someone on the list to use and forward to another builder
when then finished.
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> Guys****
>
> ** **
>
> I have 2 questions about the building order you used when building your
> -10:****
>
> - When did you make the empennage attachment to the tail cone? Was it
> right after finishing the tail cone, without attaching it to rest of the
> fuselage or only after attaching the tail cone to the rest of the fuselage?
> ****
>
> - When did you begin the wiring in the fuselage? Was it before or after
> installing the fibreglass cabin cover?****
>
> ** **
>
> Best****
>
> Carlos****
>
> *
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>
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| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | Dolly (was Building order) |
Thanks Jim
Also a smart idea
BR
Carlos
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Sent: segunda-feira, 2 de Julho de 2012 15:10
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Building order
With regards to making a dolly to move the fuselage around. I adapted some
tires during construction to allow me to roll the fuselage around.
Pictures are attached.
Fuselage remained low to make it easy to work on and It was easily moved
around.
Jim Combs
N312F
I gave these to someone on the list to use and forward to another builder
when then finished.
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| From: | Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dolly (was Building order) |
I'm in the printing business, so we have a lot of pallets sitting
around. The larger ones, with big runners, make perfect platforms for
building the fuse. I put a set of wheels on one and it was quite
handy. When it came time to lift the plane up to put it on the gear,
or to lift it off the ground (once on the gear) to fit the wheel
pants, I just slid a scissor jack under the pallet and up she went:
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Jul 2, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> Thanks Jim
>
> Also a smart idea
>
> BR
> Carlos
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
> Sent: segunda-feira, 2 de Julho de 2012 15:10
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Building order
>
> With regards to making a dolly to move the fuselage around. I
> adapted some tires during construction to allow me to roll the
> fuselage around.
>
> Pictures are attached.
>
> Fuselage remained low to make it easy to work on and It was easily
> moved around.
>
> Jim Combs
> N312F
>
> I gave these to someone on the list to use and forward to another
> builder when then finished.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Building order |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
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| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
| Subject: | Condition Inspection Checklist |
Does anyone have a good condition inspection checklist available? I had a good
one from my RV-4 that I have converted for use on my RV-10, but thought I'd cross
reference it with other good ones to make a master checklist of my liking.
Thanks
Michael Kraus
RV-10 Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Condition Inspection Checklist |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net> |
Here's mine that I modified from one that I got from A&P Brian Wallis over on VAF.
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377142#377142
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/728tt_annual_condition_inspection_checklist_181.doc
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| Subject: | Re: Condition Inspection Checklist |
| From: | Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com> |
Here is Mine.
Jim C
N312F
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Michael Kraus
wrote:
> >
>
> Does anyone have a good condition inspection checklist available? I had a
> good one from my RV-4 that I have converted for use on my RV-10, but
> thought I'd cross reference it with other good ones to make a master
> checklist of my liking.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael Kraus
> RV-10 Flying
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building order |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
Get your wiring and pneumatic tubing in BEFORE it's up on the legs and BEFORE the
canopy is on - unless you are a contortionist....
John
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#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377163#377163
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| Subject: | Re: Condition Inspection Checklist |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Although not part of the requirements for the condition inspection, this is a very
convenient time to test the ELT, and write it into the records.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377172#377172
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| Subject: | Re: IO-540 crankcase breather |
| From: | "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> |
I was consistently getting 2-3 drops of oil on the hanger floor where it ran down
from the breather tube to the exhaust pipe. I installed Van's breather (slime
fighter I think) and it has stopped it completely.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - flying
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377174#377174
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| From: | Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net> |
Yep, Alex sells them...
http://www.rvtraining.com/html/atp/html/accessories.html
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Tire Jack
I recall a leaver arm and wire cable set up that worked on the 2 place RV's. Sorry
no further info but seemed to be a nifty design and easy to replicate in your
shop if so inclined.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 3:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tire Jack
Isn't that thing in the way of changing a tire? Looks like you still need a jack
stand somewhere?
Also I think our axles are solid?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377009#377009
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| From: | Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | Starter relay issue |
Has anyone else had any issues recently with the tabs on the starter bein
g narrower than the predefined nutplates allow? I just got a relay from Air
craft Spruce and it looks to be =BC to =BD inch too narrow and there is no
overlap for a bolt at all. I checked Vans site in case there is a differen
ce but the picture on there looks to be the same as the one I just got from
Spruce.
Michael
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
Looks like a nice system but a bit long for travel.
Michael do you use one on your 10?
Robin
Sent from the new iPad
On Jul 3, 2012, at 6:59 PM, "Michael Sausen" wrote:
>
> Yep, Alex sells them...
>
> http://www.rvtraining.com/html/atp/html/accessories.html
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:28 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Tire Jack
>
>
> I recall a leaver arm and wire cable set up that worked on the 2 place RV's.
Sorry no further info but seemed to be a nifty design and easy to replicate in
your shop if so inclined.
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 3:01 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tire Jack
>
>
> Isn't that thing in the way of changing a tire? Looks like you still need a jack
stand somewhere?
> Also I think our axles are solid?
>
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starter relay issue |
| From: | Gordon Anderson <mregoan(at)hispeed.ch> |
Hi Michael,
I ran into exactly the same problem with the Spruce sourced relay, also having
checked the illustrations and thinking they were identical. It really surprised
me that there are seemingly two different standards but no hint of this on
the ACS webpage.
I filed out slots in both tabs to within 40-60thou of each side, and can get the
bolts in OK. However I also found it sits too low and touches the oil cooler
mount. I few degrees of tweak in the brackets should relieve that, but its certainly
not ideal. I will live with it for now but order the Van's one as a
spare.
Cheers,
Gordon
On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:59 AM, Michael Sausen wrote:
> Has anyone else had any issues recently with the tabs on the starter being narrower
than the predefined nutplates allow? I just got a relay from Aircraft
Spruce and it looks to be to inch too narrow and there is no overlap for a bolt
at all. I checked Vans site in case there is a difference but the picture
on there looks to be the same as the one I just got from Spruce.
>
> Michael
>
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| From: | "Greg McFarlane" <grbcmcfarlane(at)gmail.com> |
No.....The jack I described is the simple screw with a handle one that can be found
in most small/medium sedans, no long levers or heavy hydraulic units that
would crash around your baggage compartment. Cheers Greg
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377228#377228
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| Subject: | avipak strobes not firing during flight |
| From: | "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net> |
Just did my first night flight after completing phase 1.
I have an Avipak box firing wing and tail strobes. If it's just on battery power
on the ground, all strobes work fine.
Once flying, the strobes stopped firing. If I switched them off and on, I could
see the wing tips flashing for one or two sequences, then nothing.
When I returned to ground and shut down engine, the strobes were working fine again.
My guess is it's somehow connected to alternator output, which would increase at
cruise power. However, no issues with any other electronics.
Any suggestions appreciated.
__________________
Tom Hanaway
Boynton Beach, FL
RV-10/N518TP
Phase I completed 6/12/2012
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377229#377229
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| From: | Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net> |
Nope, just remember seeing it on his site.
Michael
On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:26 PM, "Robin Marks" wrote:
>
> Looks like a nice system but a bit long for travel.
> Michael do you use one on your 10?
>
> Robin
>
> Sent from the new iPad
>
> On Jul 3, 2012, at 6:59 PM, "Michael Sausen" wrote:
>
>>
>> Yep, Alex sells them...
>>
>> http://www.rvtraining.com/html/atp/html/accessories.html
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:28 PM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Tire Jack
>>
>>
>> I recall a leaver arm and wire cable set up that worked on the 2 place RV's.
Sorry no further info but seemed to be a nifty design and easy to replicate in
your shop if so inclined.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 3:01 PM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tire Jack
>>
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>> Isn't that thing in the way of changing a tire? Looks like you still need a
jack stand somewhere?
>> Also I think our axles are solid?
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>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: OSH 2012 RV-10 Group Camping |
| From: | "bcondrey" <condreyb(at)gmail.com> |
Since time is getting close I'm bumping this in case anybody that's interested
missed the original posting.
When you purchase your sites you must send me your ticket info or else I have no
way of knowing and won't stake out your site! Other helpful info to include
would be what you're camping in (Class A, Class C, Fifth Wheel, tent, etc) and
what length it is. Standard sites are 20x30 however there is some latitude
to accommodate larger campers/motorhomes.
Bob
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| From: | speckter(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: OSH 2012 RV-10 Group Camping |
Here is my info
EAA# 199107
Ticket ID 206961998
July 16th, $336
Thanks
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "bcondrey" <condreyb(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 10:39:13 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: OSH 2012 RV-10 Group Camping
Since time is getting close I'm bumping this in case anybody that's interes
ted missed the original posting.
When you purchase your sites you must send me your ticket info or else I ha
ve no way of knowing and won't stake out your site! =C2-Other helpful inf
o to include would be what you're camping in (Class A, Class C, Fifth Wheel
, tent, etc) and what length it is. =C2-Standard sites are 20x30 however
there is some latitude to accommodate larger campers/motorhomes. =C2-
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight |
| From: | "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net> |
Latest detective work [Rolling Eyes]
Thought I'd test my capacitor theory. Turned battery on, engine off, switched
strobes on. Fired perfectly for about 4 minutes and then stopped. Turned switch
off, waited thirty seconds, turned on again and they flashed about 3 times.
Left switch and battery on and tested voltage at the Avipak box. It was getting
12VDC and not firing.
So, black box is faulty. Unfortunately, the Avipak brand is out of business and
Nova does not support them,
Whelen power pack ordered.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377366#377366
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight |
did you call strobes n more? they have a Avipak version strobe system.
-----Original Message-----
From: tomhanaway
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight
Latest detective work [Rolling Eyes]
Thought I'd test my capacitor theory. Turned battery on, engine off,
switched strobes on. Fired perfectly for about 4 minutes and then stopped.
Turned switch off, waited thirty seconds, turned on again and they flashed
about 3 times.
Left switch and battery on and tested voltage at the Avipak box. It was
getting 12VDC and not firing.
So, black box is faulty. Unfortunately, the Avipak brand is out of business
and Nova does not support them,
Whelen power pack ordered.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377366#377366
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight |
| From: | "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net> |
Pascal,
I looked at the strobesnmore website but the flashers operated at more flashes
per minute than I wanted. I feel more comfortable with Whelen's aircraft specific
strobe power.
Interestingly, Whelen mentions that power supplies that have not been used for
a long period of time (the guide references earlier year models), may lose polarity
in the capacitor. Thus, when subjected to full 12VDC power, they quickly
overheat. This sounds like what was happening to mine. It's certainly sat
for a long time not being used.
The fix is to run 75% power to the unit for 10 or 15 minutes to reconfigure the
capacitor. I may try this. I suspect a standard 9v battery may not have enough
power but I can't think of any other 9v source.
Tom
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377376#377376
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight |
Good to hear!
I wonder if a battery charger would work? When I was doing my panel hookup I
used a computer power supply that was "surplus" to me and I also used a RC
battery charger. Both were enough to power the strobes and LED position
lights. Easy hookup with alligator clips.
The 9v battery did work for my LED's but they weren't enough for the strobe
power supply. May be worth a try however.
Best of success with this!
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: tomhanaway
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight
Pascal,
I looked at the strobesnmore website but the flashers operated at more
flashes per minute than I wanted. I feel more comfortable with Whelen's
aircraft specific strobe power.
Interestingly, Whelen mentions that power supplies that have not been used
for a long period of time (the guide references earlier year models), may
lose polarity in the capacitor. Thus, when subjected to full 12VDC power,
they quickly overheat. This sounds like what was happening to mine. It's
certainly sat for a long time not being used.
The fix is to run 75% power to the unit for 10 or 15 minutes to reconfigure
the capacitor. I may try this. I suspect a standard 9v battery may not
have enough power but I can't think of any other 9v source.
Tom
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377376#377376
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John MacCallum" <john.maccallum(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight |
Don't hook a battery charger up to the Aircraft's Busses unless there is a
battery as well!
The lack of regulation and the ripple on the battery charger's output will
do bad things to the Avionics!
A computer power supply should be ok but I would still leave a battery in
parallel just as insurance.
Cheers
John MacCallum
Builder #41016
VH-DUU
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Friday, 6 July 2012 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight
Good to hear!
I wonder if a battery charger would work? When I was doing my panel hookup I
used a computer power supply that was "surplus" to me and I also used a RC
battery charger. Both were enough to power the strobes and LED position
lights. Easy hookup with alligator clips.
The 9v battery did work for my LED's but they weren't enough for the strobe
power supply. May be worth a try however.
Best of success with this!
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: tomhanaway
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight
Pascal,
I looked at the strobesnmore website but the flashers operated at more
flashes per minute than I wanted. I feel more comfortable with Whelen's
aircraft specific strobe power.
Interestingly, Whelen mentions that power supplies that have not been used
for a long period of time (the guide references earlier year models), may
lose polarity in the capacitor. Thus, when subjected to full 12VDC power,
they quickly overheat. This sounds like what was happening to mine. It's
certainly sat for a long time not being used.
The fix is to run 75% power to the unit for 10 or 15 minutes to reconfigure
the capacitor. I may try this. I suspect a standard 9v battery may not
have enough power but I can't think of any other 9v source.
Tom
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377376#377376
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight |
| From: | Jason Wodack <psychobob96(at)gmail.com> |
Possibly try several 9 V batteries connected in parallel?
Jason.
On Jul 6, 2012 4:55 AM, "Pascal" wrote:
>
> Good to hear!
> I wonder if a battery charger would work? When I was doing my panel hookup
> I used a computer power supply that was "surplus" to me and I also used a
> RC battery charger. Both were enough to power the strobes and LED position
> lights. Easy hookup with alligator clips.
> The 9v battery did work for my LED's but they weren't enough for the
> strobe power supply. May be worth a try however.
> Best of success with this!
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message----- From: tomhanaway
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:09 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight
>
>
> Pascal,
> I looked at the strobesnmore website but the flashers operated at more
> flashes per minute than I wanted. I feel more comfortable with Whelen's
> aircraft specific strobe power.
>
> Interestingly, Whelen mentions that power supplies that have not been used
> for a long period of time (the guide references earlier year models), may
> lose polarity in the capacitor. Thus, when subjected to full 12VDC power,
> they quickly overheat. This sounds like what was happening to mine. It's
> certainly sat for a long time not being used.
> The fix is to run 75% power to the unit for 10 or 15 minutes to
> reconfigure the capacitor. I may try this. I suspect a standard 9v
> battery may not have enough power but I can't think of any other 9v source.
>
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=377376#377376>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: avipak strobes not firing during flight |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
My whelan power supply pulls 7 amps. That takes a pretty sizeable battery.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377523#377523
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> |
While we're going there.. and your Cessna ;-)
-Ben
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FS: 121.5 ELT
and your hand-held mic...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lark" <jrlark(at)bmts.com> |
Hi Guys
About a year ago someone published a photo of a really neat way to mount
a Ray Allen POS-12 positioner for the flaps. Unfortunately when my
Yahoo email account was hijacked, I lost that photo. A search of the
archives only turned up a discussion, no photo. Anyone have that photo
handy?
Thx, Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> |
Here are some I've found searching through my outlook folder.
http://forums.matronics.com/files/img_1417_171.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com/files/flap_and_aoa_switch_151.jpg
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flap Positioner
Hi Guys
About a year ago someone published a photo of a really neat way to mount a
Ray Allen POS-12 positioner for the flaps. Unfortunately when my Yahoo
email account was hijacked, I lost that photo. A search of the archives
only turned up a discussion, no photo. Anyone have that photo handy?
Thx, Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> |
| Subject: | AFS AOA flap switch |
Another from Michael Kraus w/attached pics
-Ben
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
This is what I did. I riveted a tab on the flap mechanism and mounted the
switch on the bulkhead behind the flap weldments (see photos).
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flap Positioner |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
That may have been mine. Here is a link to the picture.
http://forums.matronics.com//files/flap_and_aoa_switch_151.jpg
-Mike Kraus
RV-10 Flying
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:19 PM, "Rick Lark" wrote:
> Hi Guys
>
> About a year ago someone published a photo of a really neat way to mount a
Ray Allen POS-12 positioner for the flaps. Unfortunately when my Yahoo ema
il account was hijacked, I lost that photo. A search of the archives only t
urned up a discussion, no photo. Anyone have that photo handy?
>
> Thx, Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap Positioner |
I found a pic in the advanced flight systems manual which showed essentially how
I did it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Lark
Sent: Jul 10, 2012 12:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flap Positioner
Hi Guys
About a year ago someone published a photo of a really neat way to mount a Ray
Allen POS-12 positioner for the flaps. Unfortunately when my Yahoo email account
was hijacked, I lost that photo. A search of the archives only turned up
a discussion, no photo. Anyone have that photo handy?
Thx, Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap Positioner |
I also used this but be aware the movement us not linear also don't overexte
nd the POS or it will break.
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Michael Kraus wro
te:
> That may have been mine. Here is a link to the picture.
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flap_and_aoa_switch_151.jpg
>
> -Mike Kraus
> RV-10 Flying
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:19 PM, "Rick Lark" wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> About a year ago someone published a photo of a really neat way to mount a
Ray Allen POS-12 positioner for the flaps. Unfortunately when my Yahoo ema
il account was hijacked, I lost that photo. A search of the archives only t
urned up a discussion, no photo. Anyone have that photo handy?
>>
>> Thx, Rick
>> #40956
>> Southampton, Ont
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RV-10 Flap position indicator |
| From: | Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Here is a video of one in action from Brian and Brandi Urein's plane. Looks simple.
Phil
Check out this video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nYpkSUtW_s&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fuel Cap Engraving and Data Plate Engraving |
| From: | Aircraft Specialty <aircraftspecialty(at)gmail.com> |
Just wanted to let everyone know that we are now fully up and running from
an engraving standpoint. We have the capability to do Usher Fuel Caps,
Andair Fuel Caps, and also the Newton Style "Deluxe" caps that Van's sells.
Our prices are extremely competitive and we make it easy to design your cap
online. If you don't see a style you like, or would like to do something
custom, please contact me and I will absolutely work with you to make your
caps however you like.
You can see our engraving options at
www.aircraftspecialty.com/engraving.html
Attached is a picture of an engraved cap.
Steve
Aircraft Specialty
www.aircraftspecialty.com
www.kitplanehoses.com
www.kitplanemods.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | broken down in Eugene Oregon |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating oil
pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at least a mo
nth .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increa
ses during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have comp
ared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one have a s
imilar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540 converted to an io-540.I ove
rhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replace
d the cage type oil pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to
remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove and cl
ean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If problem doesnt resolve i
t means engine tear down.One other symptom that is that pressure always ran
about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,
I have been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts from the
engine gurus-thanks Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gordon Anderson <mregoan(at)hispeed.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap Positioner |
It's a lovely installation so I copied it too. Just beware that if you
squeeze the two rivets holding the sensor to the aluminum plate as much
as "normal" you will split the sensor flanges, so go easy. Using screws
and nuts is probably more clever.
Gordon
41015 Switzerland
On Jul 10, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
> Here are some I=92ve found searching through my outlook folder=85
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/files/img_1417_171.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com/files/flap_and_aoa_switch_151.jpg
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:19 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Flap Positioner
>
> Hi Guys
>
> About a year ago someone published a photo of a really neat way to
mount a Ray Allen POS-12 positioner for the flaps. Unfortunately when
my Yahoo email account was hijacked, I lost that photo. A search of the
archives only turned up a discussion, no photo. Anyone have that photo
handy?
>
> Thx, Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
I need more details on the high oil pressure first five minutes.. what
is the oil pressure? what is the oil temperature? I see as high as
110psi on take off with my oil at 100f, lasts about 2-3 minutes until
the oil is warmed up (aka 165 or above) than the pressure goes into the
normal 89-92 psi range. 115psi and below is normal for the first 5
minutes (start-up taxiing and takeoff) per Lycoming.. what are you
seeing?
Pascal
From: pilotdds
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating
oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at
least a month .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil
pressure increases during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge
issue as i have compared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they
match.Any one have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540
converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new
cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil pressure regulator
with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and
clean gallery to sump and remove and clean ball seat and springs on
pressure regulator.If problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear
down.One other symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds
high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have been
advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts from the engine
gurus-thanks Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
My initial readings are as high as 95-97 psi for about 5 minutes .It doesn'
t necessarily change proportionally with temp .In climb my temps will rise
to low 200's on a warm day but settle to about 190 in typical cruise.Oil pr
essure has dropped to 85 psi range after approximately 5 minutes, i incorre
ctly assumed that was when the vernitherm opened.Did I answer your question
?
-----Original Message-----
From: Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
I need more details on the high oil pressure first five minutes.. what is t
he oil pressure? what is the oil temperature? I see as high as 110psi on ta
ke off with my oil at 100f, lasts about 2-3 minutes until the oil is warmed
up (aka 165 or above) than the pressure goes into the normal 89-92 psi ran
ge. 115psi and below is normal for the first 5 minutes (start-up taxiing an
d takeoff) per Lycoming.. what are you seeing?
Pascal
From: pilotdds
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating oil
pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at least a mo
nth .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increa
ses during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have comp
ared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one have a s
imilar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540 converted to an io-540.I ove
rhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replace
d the cage type oil pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to
remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove and cl
ean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If problem doesnt resolve i
t means engine tear down.One other symptom that is that pressure always ran
about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,
I have been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts from the
engine gurus-thanks Jim
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| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
What do you have as redline?? From the operators manual:
Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating wildly.
Not the max for startup and warmup.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds wrote:
> **Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating
> oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at least
> a month .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil pressure
> increases during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i
> have compared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one
> have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540 converted to an
> io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new cylinders ,cam,
> lifters.I replaced the cage type oil pressure regulator with an eci
> adjustable.My plan is to remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery
> to sump and remove and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If
> problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other symptom that is
> that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of
> flight the would normalize,I have been advised this is in fact not
> normal.Any other thoughts from the engine gurus-thanks Jim
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Hmm, one email stripped the image, one didn't. Normal redline should be 95,
115 during start and warmup, and minimum 55, except 25 for idling.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> What do you have as redline?? From the operators manual:
>
> Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating wildly.
> Not the max for startup and warmup.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds wrote:
>
>> **Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating
>> oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at least
>> a month .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil pressure
>> increases during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i
>> have compared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one
>> have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540 converted to an
>> io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new cylinders ,cam,
>> lifters.I replaced the cage type oil pressure regulator with an eci
>> adjustable.My plan is to remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery
>> to sump and remove and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If
>> problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other symptom that is
>> that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of
>> flight the would normalize,I have been advised this is in fact not
>> normal.Any other thoughts from the engine gurus-thanks Jim
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
I agree! Nothing wrong with those temps or pressure. Sounds quite normal
actually.
concerning the temps-
Oil Temperature: The maximum permissible oil temperature is 245=B0F
(118=B0C). For maximum engine life,
desired oil temperature should be maintained between 165=B0F (73.8=B0C)
and 200=B0F (93.3=B0C) in level flight
cruise conditions.
Pascal
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
What do you have as redline?? From the operators manual:
Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating
wildly. Not the max for startup and warmup.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds wrote:
Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating
oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at
least a month .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil
pressure increases during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge
issue as i have compared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they
match.Any one have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540
converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new
cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil pressure regulator
with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and
clean gallery to sump and remove and clean ball seat and springs on
pressure regulator.If problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear
down.One other symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds
high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have been
advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts from the engine
gurus-thanks Jim
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| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
the owners manual from the Cherokee shows 99 as red line-but the concern is
the progressive gradual increase in oil pressure during flight it will rea
ch 99 which is the max the gauge will read.This is a significant change fro
m the previous 350 hours.It fluctuates 3-4 pounds as it gradualy increase.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
Hmm, one email stripped the image, one didn't. Normal redline should be 95,
115 during start and warmup, and minimum 55, except 25 for idling.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
What do you have as redline?? From the operators manual:
Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating wildly. N
ot the max for startup and warmup.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds wrote:
Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating oil
pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at least a mo
nth .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increa
ses during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have comp
ared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one have a s
imilar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540 converted to an io-540.I ove
rhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replace
d the cage type oil pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to
remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove and cl
ean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If problem doesnt resolve i
t means engine tear down.One other symptom that is that pressure always ran
about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,
I have been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts from the
engine gurus-thanks Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Positioner |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I used essentially the same setup. Nice part is that you can position the Adel
clamp (by choosing how high on the aft spar the hinge is) so that the first 3
degrees of travel translate into as much sensor motion as possible (e.g., sensor
arm is perpendicular to the clamp); near full flaps there is less sensor motion
per degree of rotation of the torque tube. I had concerns about seeing the
difference between reflex (-3) and trail (0) but with this set up it works just
fine.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | "Thane States" <thane2(at)comporium.net> |
| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
I would try to check all the connections from your sender all the way
back to the EIS. It turned out I had a failed "but" connector under my
panel. Maybe in flight it vibrates, then as the resistance changes, it
drives to the max indication of 99 PSI. Worth a try, eliminate the
simple stuff first, cheap stuff. Try putting a continuity tester on it
and have someone wiggle the wire, and see if you have any problems. Good
luck. It took my 3 weeks to figure mine out, I just didnt want to think
it could be so simple as a bad connection.
Thane
----- Original Message -----
From: pilotdds
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
the owners manual from the Cherokee shows 99 as red line-but the
concern is the progressive gradual increase in oil pressure during
flight it will reach 99 which is the max the gauge will read.This is a
significant change from the previous 350 hours.It fluctuates 3-4 pounds
as it gradualy increase.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
To: rv10-list
Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
Hmm, one email stripped the image, one didn't. Normal redline should
be 95, 115 during start and warmup, and minimum 55, except 25 for
idling.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Kelly McMullen
wrote:
What do you have as redline?? From the operators manual:
Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating
wildly. Not the max for startup and warmup.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds wrote:
Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a
fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be
here at least a month .Thought I had the problem resolved but it
returned.Oil pressure increases during flight to redline -it is not
likely a gauge issue as i have compared the electronic gauge with a
mechanical and they match.Any one have a similar experience. Engine is a
narrow deck 540 converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours
ago with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil
pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove oil
filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove and clean ball
seat and springs on pressure regulator.If problem doesnt resolve it
means engine tear down.One other symptom that is that pressure always
ran about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would
normalize,I have been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other
thoughts from the engine gurus-thanks Jim
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
Consider that the only thing high oil pressure will hurt is seals,
possibility of leaks. Cessna in fact runs around 110 psi in their IO-360
engines in 172s these days, with nothing different about the engine
other than the adjustment of oil pressure relief.
On 7/10/2012 2:59 PM, pilotdds wrote:
> the owners manual from the Cherokee shows 99 as red line-but the
> concern is the progressive gradual increase in oil pressure during
> flight it will reach 99 which is the max the gauge will read.This is a
> significant change from the previous 350 hours.It fluctuates 3-4
> pounds as it gradualy increase.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list
> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:38 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
>
> Hmm, one email stripped the image, one didn't. Normal redline should
> be 95, 115 during start and warmup, and minimum 55, except 25 for idling.
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote:
>
> What do you have as redline?? From the operators manual:
>
> Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating
> wildly. Not the max for startup and warmup.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds > wrote:
>
> Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a
> fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is
> going to be here at least a month .Thought I had the problem
> resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increases during flight
> to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have compared
> the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one
> have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540
> converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago
> with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil
> pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove
> oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove
> and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If
> problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other
> symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high
> for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have
> been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts
> from the engine gurus-thanks Jim
>
> *
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: OSH 2012 RV-10 Group Camping |
| From: | "bcondrey" <condreyb(at)gmail.com> |
Ok folks, last chance. We're physically leaving to head up to OSH this weekend
and I need to take a hardcopy of my list of sites with me to make it easier on
the folks working the registration stuff.
I've gotten a lot of emails and phone calls offline about camping with us, getting
a site, etc. The actual number of people that I've received EAA ticket numbers
(for the sites) from however is far less. If you've already gotten your
site but not sent me an email with the confirmation ticket number, please take
a minute and do it now. If you're procrastinating and just haven't gotten your
site registered yet, time is running out!
Email me direct at condreyb (at) gmail (dot) com if you've got questions not answered
by the first post or the FAQs pointed to in the link (in the first post).
Bob
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378011#378011
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| From: | John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
Do you still need a place in Eugene?
... by phone
On Jul 10, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Consider that the only thing high oil pressure will hurt is seals, possibility
of leaks. Cessna in fact runs around 110 psi in their IO-360 engines in 172s
these days, with nothing different about the engine other than the adjustment
of oil pressure relief.
>
> On 7/10/2012 2:59 PM, pilotdds wrote:
>> the owners manual from the Cherokee shows 99 as red line-but the concern is
the progressive gradual increase in oil pressure during flight it will reach 99
which is the max the gauge will read.This is a significant change from the previous
350 hours.It fluctuates 3-4 pounds as it gradualy increase.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
>> To: rv10-list
>> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:38 pm
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
>>
>> Hmm, one email stripped the image, one didn't. Normal redline should be 95,
115 during start and warmup, and minimum 55, except 25 for idling.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote:
>>
>> What do you have as redline?? From the operators manual:
>>
>> Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating
>> wildly. Not the max for startup and warmup.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds > > wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a
>> fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is
>> going to be here at least a month .Thought I had the problem
>> resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increases during flight
>> to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have compared
>> the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one
>> have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540
>> converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago
>> with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil
>> pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove
>> oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove
>> and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If
>> problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other
>> symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high
>> for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have
>> been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts
>> from the engine gurus-thanks Jim
>>
>> *
>>
>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
yes probably 2 mos
-----Original Message-----
From: John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
Do you still need a place in Eugene?
... by phone
On Jul 10, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
Consider that the only thing high oil pressure will hurt is seals, possibi
lity
f leaks. Cessna in fact runs around 110 psi in their IO-360 engines in 172s
hese days, with nothing different about the engine other than the adjustmen
t of
il pressure relief.
On 7/10/2012 2:59 PM, pilotdds wrote:
> the owners manual from the Cherokee shows 99 as red line-but the concern
is
he progressive gradual increase in oil pressure during flight it will reach
99
hich is the max the gauge will read.This is a significant change from the
revious 350 hours.It fluctuates 3-4 pounds as it gradualy increase.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list
> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:38 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
>
> Hmm, one email stripped the image, one didn't. Normal redline should be 9
5,
15 during start and warmup, and minimum 55, except 25 for idling.
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote:
>
> What do you have as redline?? From the operators manual:
>
> Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating
> wildly. Not the max for startup and warmup.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds > wrote:
>
> Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a
> fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is
> going to be here at least a month .Thought I had the problem
> resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increases during flight
> to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have compared
> the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one
> have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540
> converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago
> with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil
> pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove
> oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove
> and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If
> problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other
> symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high
> for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have
> been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts
> from the engine gurus-thanks Jim
>
> *
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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>
>
>
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| From: | John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
John C, do you know of anyone? I'll also make some enquiries.
... by phone
On Jul 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, pilotdds wrote:
> yes probably 2 mos
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list
> Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 2:59 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
>
>
> Do you still need a place in Eugene?
>
> ... by phone
>
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> >
> > Consider that the only thing high oil pressure will hurt is seals, possi
bility
> of leaks. Cessna in fact runs around 110 psi in their IO-360 engines in 17
2s
> these days, with nothing different about the engine other than the adjustm
ent of
> oil pressure relief.
> >
> > On 7/10/2012 2:59 PM, pilotdds wrote:
> >> the owners manual from the Cherokee shows 99 as red line-but the concer
n is
> the progressive gradual increase in oil pressure during flight it will rea
ch 99
> which is the max the gauge will read.This is a significant change from the
> previous 350 hours.It fluctuates 3-4 pounds as it gradualy increase.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
> >> To: rv10-list
> >> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:38 pm
> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
> >>
> >> Hmm, one email stripped the image, one didn't. Normal redline should be
95,
> 115 during start and warmup, and minimum 55, except 25 for idling.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote:
> >>
> >> What do you have as redline?? =46rom the operators manual:
> >>
> >> Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating
> >> wildly. Not the max for startup and warmup.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a
> >> fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is
> >> going to be here at least a month .Thought I had the problem
> >> resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increases during flight
> >> to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have compared
> >> the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one
> >> have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540
> >> converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago
> >> with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil
> >> pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove
> >> oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove
> >> and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If
> >> problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other
> >> symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high
> >> for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have
> >> been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts
> >> from the engine gurus-thanks Jim
> >>
> >> *
> >>
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> >> tp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Positioner |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net> |
That's a great solution! Just so I understand the geometry and how the Pos senor
moves with the flap torque tube, in the pics posted in this thread are the
flaps up? IOW full retraction of the sensor's arm indicates flaps up while full
extension of the arm would indicate flaps fully extended.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Positioner |
| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Todd, as I see it, the Ray Allen has a strictly linear motion, but because
there are 2 pivot points (hinge and attachment to the adele clamp), as the
sensor retracts, then yes the flaps are up. Having said that you might be
able to position the sensor/clamp else where and get just the opposite
indications. I think it will sort itself out with all the componets "in
hand". Hopefully someone who has already done this will confirm.
Rick
#40956
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:50 PM, tsts4 wrote:
>
> That's a great solution! Just so I understand the geometry and how the
> Pos senor moves with the flap torque tube, in the pics posted in this
> thread are the flaps up? IOW full retraction of the sensor's arm indicates
> flaps up while full extension of the arm would indicate flaps fully
> extended.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
> www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
>
>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Positioner |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I'm doing this from memory but I think you've got it backwards. Photos show full
flaps, with sensor arm fully retracted. As the flaps retract the arm moves aft
as well as down. As flaps approach fully retracted, the sensor arm is moving
down and not fore or aft, maximizing its motion relative to the angular rotation
of the flap torque tube. Fully extended sensor arm is flaps up.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: broken down in Eugene Oregon |
I've put out some feelers. In the meantime, maybe contact Synergy Air, an RV
build assist outfit located in Eugene. They might know someone with availab
le space. Their website is at http://synergyair.com/contact-us/
And phone number is:
Phone Number:
(541) 913-0610
... by phone
On Jul 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, pilotdds wrote:
> yes probably 2 mos
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list
> Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 2:59 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
>
>
> Do you still need a place in Eugene?
>
> ... by phone
>
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> >
> > Consider that the only thing high oil pressure will hurt is seals, possi
bility
> of leaks. Cessna in fact runs around 110 psi in their IO-360 engines in 17
2s
> these days, with nothing different about the engine other than the adjustm
ent of
> oil pressure relief.
> >
> > On 7/10/2012 2:59 PM, pilotdds wrote:
> >> the owners manual from the Cherokee shows 99 as red line-but the concer
n is
> the progressive gradual increase in oil pressure during flight it will rea
ch 99
> which is the max the gauge will read.This is a significant change from the
> previous 350 hours.It fluctuates 3-4 pounds as it gradualy increase.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
> >> To: rv10-list
> >> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:38 pm
> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
> >>
> >> Hmm, one email stripped the image, one didn't. Normal redline should be
95,
> 115 during start and warmup, and minimum 55, except 25 for idling.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote:
> >>
> >> What do you have as redline?? =46rom the operators manual:
> >>
> >> Sounds like your oil pressure is normal, unless it is fluctuating
> >> wildly. Not the max for startup and warmup.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM, pilotdds >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a
> >> fluctuating oil pressure problem and looks like the plane is
> >> going to be here at least a month .Thought I had the problem
> >> resolved but it returned.Oil pressure increases during flight
> >> to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have compared
> >> the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one
> >> have a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540
> >> converted to an io-540.I overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago
> >> with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I replaced the cage type oil
> >> pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan is to remove
> >> oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove
> >> and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If
> >> problem doesnt resolve it means engine tear down.One other
> >> symptom that is that pressure always ran about 8 pounds high
> >> for the first 5 minutes of flight the would normalize,I have
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| From: | "Rick Lark" <jrlark(at)bmts.com> |
| Subject: | flap positioning |
Guys
A question for those of you who have the Trutrack auto trim box. When
you select flaps to a position other than the reflex position, does the
auto trim adjust pitch trim as the flaps deploy?
Also is it standard practise to have a on-off switch wired to the auto
trim box?
I've been looking at the "Aircraft Extra's" flap positioning system, but
since I intend to also use the Vertical Power VP-X Pro, I think the
system is basically redundant.
Thx,
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | flap positioning |
1. I don't think I have ever moved the flaps when the autopilot was
engaged, so really cannot answer. But see no reason why it would not work
that way.
2. I put my autotrim in after my initial install and have it powered
off the autopilot. I have a breaker switch powering the autopilot and thus
I have a switch that can easily be hit to disconnect (turn off) the
autopilot if I have some type of runaway.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: flap positioning
Guys
A question for those of you who have the Trutrack auto trim box. When you
select flaps to a position other than the reflex position, does the auto
trim adjust pitch trim as the flaps deploy?
Also is it standard practise to have a on-off switch wired to the auto trim
box?
I've been looking at the "Aircraft Extra's" flap positioning system, but
since I intend to also use the Vertical Power VP-X Pro, I think the system
is basically redundant.
Thx,
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Everyone,
If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a campaign
within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming election
of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of just
complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.
This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.
Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows
their members to participate in the election. So we copied their language
that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it
to reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they
can't turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the
election:
1) They could choose not to participate.
2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business
meeting.
3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check box on
your annual renewal)
Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members
and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up being
appointments and not elections by the members.
I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same
thing. The form can be found at this link.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
Phillip W. Perry
C/O David Carr
1100 W Monroe St
Austin, TX 78704
Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting
them:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68
Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking
them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the
EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
message:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel
compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware of)
in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately
participate.
We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP. So
if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on
every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to
Rod Hightower and his buddies.
We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use
your support and even you active participation.
Thanks,
Phil Perry
RV-10 #40750
EAA Lifetime Member
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
Phil,
Thanks for taking this up for us.
I'll be handing my proxy form in at OSH. You should also mention that there
are places like the Cleaveland Tools booth and people at the 10HQ that will
be drop off points for the forms as an alternative to snail mailing them
in. If this has changed since the last I read the thread over at VAF,
I apologize!
Ed
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a
> campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming
> election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of just
> complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.
>
> This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.
> Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows
> their members to participate in the election. So we copied their language
> that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it
> to reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they
> can't turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
>
> In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the
> election:
> 1) They could choose not to participate.
> 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business
> meeting.
> 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check box on
> your annual renewal)
>
> Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members
> and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up being
> appointments and not elections by the members.
>
> I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
> frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same
> thing. The form can be found at this link.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
>
> You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
> Phillip W. Perry
> C/O David Carr
> 1100 W Monroe St
> Austin, TX 78704
>
> Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting
> them:
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68
>
> Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking
> them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
> control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the
> EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
> message:
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
>
> Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel
> compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
> business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware of)
> in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately
> participate.
>
> We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP. So
> if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on
> every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to
> Rod Hightower and his buddies.
>
> We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use
> your support and even you active participation.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil Perry
>
> RV-10 #40750
> EAA Lifetime Member
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Ed,
Thanks for your proxy.
That is correct, we have a several options for proxy collection setup
around the field.
1) Cleveland Tools is located beside the Vans Booth and they will be
accepting proxy forms in their booth. They will also have some blank forms
in their booth too, in case you forget to bring your own.
2) Gary Specketer offered to collect proxy forms at the RV-10 HQ.
3) Louise Hose will be collecting at the Vans Banquet on Tuesday night.
4) At the same time, I will be at the EAA Lifetime Members dinner
collecting forms.
5) You can also reach out to me and I will find a way to meet you on the
field to collect your proxy at a scheduled time.
Thanks for your support. Let's return the EAA to its members.
Phil
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Ed Kranz wrote:
> Phil,
>
> Thanks for taking this up for us.
>
> I'll be handing my proxy form in at OSH. You should also mention that
> there are places like the Cleaveland Tools booth and people at the 10HQ
> that will be drop off points for the forms as an alternative to snail
> mailing them in. If this has changed since the last I read the thread over
> at VAF, I apologize!
>
> Ed
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | OSH12 RV10 Pot Luck Dinner |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
(cross-posted from VAF)
OK. I'll bite. I'll coordinate the PotLuck.
*Tentatively Sunday the 22nd @ the RV10 HQ in Camp Scholler. *(Logistically,
I think this will work better than HBC for having grills, picnic tables,
generators, ect for a large group)
*7:30PM? Earlier? Later?
Sign up is at http://www.perfectpotluck.com/meals.php?t=AKIL0864 *
You can also go to www.perfectpotluck.com and search for last name *Kranz* with
a password of *osh12*
The site will let me email updates out to all contributors, so make sure
the email address you enter is a good one. Add a phone number if you'd
like, but it's not required.
Let me know if I should add categories or make more room in existing
categories on the signup list. We can also keep a paper signup sheet at the
10HQ for the non-internet types.
Who's in?
Also, if anyone has any strong feelings about the time or date, say
something, and we'll try to go with the consensus.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
Phillip,
Rather than leave your 5th vote "open", I would recommend casting it for one
of the existing board members, Barry Davis. At least Barry has built an
airplane, a Pietenpol Air Camper (scratch/plans built), which is more than
you can say for most of the board (including Hightower).
You'll have my scanned proxy in the morning. Thanks for taking this on.
I'm ready to leave EAA, which I've been a member of since 1974, if they
don't change course drastically and get back to supporting homebuilders and
the homebuilt community. We don't need another AOPA - the one we have is
sufficient.
Jack Phillips
EAA 81225
Pietenpol Air Camper (flying)
RV-10 (finished the wings, ready to start the fuselage)
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Hi Everyone,
If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a campaign
within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming election
of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of just complaining,
we should actually participate in the democratic elections.
This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.
Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows
their members to participate in the election. So we copied their language
that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it to
reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't
turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the
election:
1) They could choose not to participate.
2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business
meeting.
3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check box on
your annual renewal)
Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members
and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up being
appointments and not elections by the members.
I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are frustrated
with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same thing. The
form can be found at this link.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
Phillip W. Perry
C/O David Carr
1100 W Monroe St
Austin, TX 78704
Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting
them:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549
<http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68>
&postcount=68
Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking
them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the
EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
message:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel
compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware of)
in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately
participate.
We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP. So
if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on
every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod
Hightower and his buddies.
We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use
your support and even you active participation.
Thanks,
Phil Perry
RV-10 #40750
EAA Lifetime Member
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Jack.
There's a pretty important lesson in this year, and that is to not resign
your EAA membership. But instead keep (or get) an EAA membership but don't
assign your proxy to Hightower. Instead assign it to those of us fighting
the fight.
We need you to be a member so we can cast your vote. Without your vote, we
automatically lose any opportunity to introduce reform from the grass roots.
We aren't going to let this go after 2012, we've got plans to re-launch
the proxy collection campaign early next year and spend 364 days obtaining
member votes.
Thanks again for your feedback and support.
Phil
RV-10 #40750
EAA Lifetime Member
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> **
> Phillip,
>
> Rather than leave your 5th vote "open", I would recommend casting it for
> one of the existing board members, Barry Davis. At least Barry has built
> an airplane, a Pietenpol Air Camper (scratch/plans built), which is more
> than you can say for most of the board (including Hightower).
>
> You'll have my scanned proxy in the morning. Thanks for taking this on.
> I'm ready to leave EAA, which I've been a member of since 1974, if they
> don't change course drastically and get back to supporting homebuilders and
> the homebuilt community. We don't need another AOPA - the one we have is
> sufficient.
>
> Jack Phillips
> EAA 81225
> Pietenpol Air Camper (flying)
> RV-10 (finished the wings, ready to start the fuselage)
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Phillip Perry
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:15 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a
> campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming
> election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of just
> complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.
>
> This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.
> Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows
> their members to participate in the election. So we copied their language
> that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it
> to reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they
> can't turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
>
> In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the
> election:
> 1) They could choose not to participate.
> 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business
> meeting.
> 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check box on
> your annual renewal)
>
> Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members
> and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up being
> appointments and not elections by the members.
>
> I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
> frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same
> thing. The form can be found at this link.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
>
> You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
> Phillip W. Perry
> C/O David Carr
> 1100 W Monroe St
> Austin, TX 78704
>
> Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting
> them:
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68
>
> Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking
> them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
> control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the
> EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
> message:
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
>
> Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel
> compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
> business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware of)
> in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately
> participate.
>
> We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP. So
> if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on
> every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to
> Rod Hightower and his buddies.
>
> We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use
> your support and even you active participation.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil Perry
>
> RV-10 #40750
> EAA Lifetime Member
>
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: OSH12 RV10 Pot Luck Dinner |
| From: | "Bob's Gmail" <condreyb(at)gmail.com> |
For those flying in with no local transportation for supplies, I will make a
supply run that afternoon. Just need to figure out how to accommodate do
nations on the page.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 12, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Ed Kranz wrote:
> (cross-posted from VAF)
>
> OK. I'll bite. I'll coordinate the PotLuck.
>
> Tentatively Sunday the 22nd @ the RV10 HQ in Camp Scholler. (Logistically,
I think this will work better than HBC for having grills, picnic tables, ge
nerators, ect for a large group)
> 7:30PM? Earlier? Later?
>
> Sign up is at http://www.perfectpotluck.com/meals.php?t=AKIL0864
>
> You can also go to www.perfectpotluck.com and search for last name Kranz w
ith a password of osh12
>
> The site will let me email updates out to all contributors, so make sure t
he email address you enter is a good one. Add a phone number if you'd like, b
ut it's not required.
>
> Let me know if I should add categories or make more room in existing categ
ories on the signup list. We can also keep a paper signup sheet at the 10HQ f
or the non-internet types.
>
> Who's in?
>
> Also, if anyone has any strong feelings about the time or date, say someth
ing, and we'll try to go with the consensus.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH12 RV10 Pot Luck Dinner |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
I added a category of "Cash Donation". If you don't want to worry about
bringing food, just sign up for a donation, and list "CASH" in the "What
you'll bring" field. At least then you're on the list.
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Bob's Gmail wrote:
> For those flying in with no local transportation for supplies, I will make
> a supply run that afternoon. Just need to figure out how to accommodate
> donations on the page.
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: OSH12 RV10 Pot Luck Dinner |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
That time line works for me. I'll be getting into Oshkosh between 3-4PM on
Sunday.
I love the Red Solo Cup's sign-up. It's going to be a party!
I'm good for an Andrew Jackson to be used any way necessary.
Phil
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Ed Kranz wrote:
> I added a category of "Cash Donation". If you don't want to worry about
> bringing food, just sign up for a donation, and list "CASH" in the "What
> you'll bring" field. At least then you're on the list.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Bob's Gmail wrote:
>
>> For those flying in with no local transportation for supplies, I will
>> make a supply run that afternoon. Just need to figure out how to
>> accommodate donations on the page.
>> Bob
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | Jason Wodack <psychobob96(at)gmail.com> |
Phil,
I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop
for a while. I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused
such a reaction.
I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm about
to start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me. I
was hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have
missed, and what the issues are that we are having.
I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action. I do n't
want to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed
before I make a decision,
Thanks
Jason
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a
> campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming
> election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of just
> complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.
>
> This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.
> Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows
> their members to participate in the election. So we copied their language
> that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it
> to reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they
> can't turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
>
> In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the
> election:
> 1) They could choose not to participate.
> 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business
> meeting.
> 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check box on
> your annual renewal)
>
> Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members
> and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up being
> appointments and not elections by the members.
>
> I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
> frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same
> thing. The form can be found at this link.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
>
> You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
> Phillip W. Perry
> C/O David Carr
> 1100 W Monroe St
> Austin, TX 78704
>
> Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting
> them:
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68
>
> Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking
> them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
> control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the
> EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
> message:
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
>
> Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel
> compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
> business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware of)
> in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately
> participate.
>
> We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP. So
> if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on
> every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to
> Rod Hightower and his buddies.
>
> We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use
> your support and even you active participation.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil Perry
>
> RV-10 #40750
> EAA Lifetime Member
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: flap positioning |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Rick
I aiso have the VPX and have it hooked up to control the flps. There is no reason
to have anything else controlling the flaps if you use the VPX. You
will have to provide a feedback position sensor . I made a bracket and attached
the Ray Allen servo to the actuator arm and attached the
whole thing to the side if the tunnel. The only issue is the VPX does not distinguish
the reflex position! You can set the top and the bottom positions and
only 2 intermediate positions.
Bill
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378180#378180
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
Jason;
First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety
of the US for our battle in Afghanistan. It=99s hard, been there,
not Afghinstan but another =9Coperation in 1990-1991. Thank you
for your service!
I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it
completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for
Sport aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what
building a plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that
=9Ccombined=9D effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with
Lsa and other general flying issues, good idea, sure! I would like to
see the EAA fight for homebuilders and not general aviation however.
My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to
have more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.
From: Jason Wodack
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Phil,
I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the
loop for a while. I was just curious about what I was missing that has
caused such a reaction.
I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm
about to start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns
me. I was hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I
have missed, and what the issues are that we are having.
I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action. I do n't
want to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed
before I make a decision,
Thanks
Jason
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry
wrote:
Hi Everyone,
If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a
campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the
upcoming election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that
instead of just complaining, we should actually participate in the
democratic elections.
This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the
EAA. Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that
allows their members to participate in the election. So we copied their
language that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the
name on it to reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document
that they can't turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the
election:
1) They could choose not to participate.
2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual
business meeting.
3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check
box on your annual renewal)
Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some
members and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended
up being appointments and not elections by the members.
I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same
thing. The form can be found at this link.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
Phillip W. Perry
C/O David Carr
1100 W Monroe St
Austin, TX 78704
Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for
selecting them:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=
68
Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link
asking them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give
total control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control
of the EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on
that message:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel
compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware
of) in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to
legitimately participate.
We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP.
So if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the
message on every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives
his vote to Rod Hightower and his buddies.
We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can
use your support and even you active participation.
Thanks,
Phil Perry
RV-10 #40750
EAA Lifetime Member
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: flap positioning |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
I will be using the VPX as well. Any pictures? Couldn't you define the
reflex position as top of travel, trailing as 1st intermediate and 1/2
flaps as second intermediate?
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:09 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
>
> Rick
> I aiso have the VPX and have it hooked up to control the flps. There is
> no reason to have anything else controlling the flaps if you use the VPX.
> You
> will have to provide a feedback position sensor . I made a bracket and
> attached the Ray Allen servo to the actuator arm and attached the
> whole thing to the side if the tunnel. The only issue is the VPX does not
> distinguish the reflex position! You can set the top and the bottom
> positions and only 2 intermediate positions.
> Bill
>
> --------
> Bill
> WA0SYV
> Aviation Partners, LLC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378180#378180
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lark" <jrlark(at)bmts.com> |
| Subject: | Re: flap positioning |
Gentlemen, I posted an inquiry on the VP forum asking about the reflex
position and Bob Lefler also inquired.. Mark Austman posted that the
reflex position fix (software change) was to come at a later date, but I
understood that the top position could be set up as the reflex position.
Am I mistaken?
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly McMullen
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: flap positioning
I will be using the VPX as well. Any pictures? Couldn't you define
the reflex position as top of travel, trailing as 1st intermediate and
1/2 flaps as second intermediate?
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:09 AM, bill.peyton
wrote:
Rick
I aiso have the VPX and have it hooked up to control the flps.
There is no reason to have anything else controlling the flaps if you
use the VPX. You
will have to provide a feedback position sensor . I made a bracket
and attached the Ray Allen servo to the actuator arm and attached the
whole thing to the side if the tunnel. The only issue is the VPX
does not distinguish the reflex position! You can set the top and the
bottom positions and only 2 intermediate positions.
Bill
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378180#378180
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: flap positioning |
Have the VP-200 and I use the Skyview for the =933 indicator,
which the VPX works with. So I would assume it=99s the same setup.
Here is a picture I took off the Dynon site using the VP-X, not mine.
The numbers are setup on the Dynon during the configuration. 0 can be
=933 and so on as Kelly states.
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: flap positioning
I will be using the VPX as well. Any pictures? Couldn't you define the
reflex position as top of travel, trailing as 1st intermediate and 1/2
flaps as second intermediate?
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:09 AM, bill.peyton
wrote:
Rick
I aiso have the VPX and have it hooked up to control the flps. There
is no reason to have anything else controlling the flaps if you use the
VPX. You
will have to provide a feedback position sensor . I made a bracket
and attached the Ray Allen servo to the actuator arm and attached the
whole thing to the side if the tunnel. The only issue is the VPX does
not distinguish the reflex position! You can set the top and the bottom
positions and only 2 intermediate positions.
Bill
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378180#378180
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| Subject: | Re: flap positioning |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
You are not mistaken The update impacts the speed controls and restrictions
. I.e. going from reflex to 0 shouldn't have the same parameters as going t
o full flaps. It will also make it more pilot intuitive.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2012, at 11:05 AM, "Rick Lark" wrote:
Gentlemen, I posted an inquiry on the VP forum asking about the reflex posit
ion and Bob Lefler also inquired.. Mark Austman posted that the reflex posi
tion fix (software change) was to come at a later date, but I understood tha
t the top position could be set up as the reflex position. Am I mistaken?
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: flap positioning
I will be using the VPX as well. Any pictures? Couldn't you define the refl
ex position as top of travel, trailing as 1st intermediate and 1/2 flaps as s
econd intermediate?
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:09 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
Rick
I aiso have the VPX and have it hooked up to control the flps. There is no r
eason to have anything else controlling the flaps if you use the VPX. You
will have to provide a feedback position sensor . I made a bracket and atta
ched the Ray Allen servo to the actuator arm and attached the
whole thing to the side if the tunnel. The only issue is the VPX does not d
istinguish the reflex position! You can set the top and the bottom positions
and only 2 intermediate positions.
Bill
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Jason,
Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good
portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.
Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be
brought up as well.
The EAA debate has been a long time coming. It actually goes all the
way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.
But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the
boiling point for many members.
Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization
the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their
core values. The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA
politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through
AirVenture. I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong
revenue stream for the organization. But the organization has become
focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid
the price. If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would
still exist based on the airshow. So the members are now second class
citizens in the organization.
Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA
by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to
participate. This is a right that is entitled to the membership
community within the bylaws. But this right has not been made
available to the membership. As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of
the membership votes. It's like the fox in the hen house in some
regards.
I love the EAA. I am passionate about it. I am a lifetime member. I
have served as a chapter VP and President. As I sit here right now,
I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo. I love the legacy EAA
culture, I love the EAA brand. I really do care a lot about EAA.
Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen
nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that
Rod has created. These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam
Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is
an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the
organization. The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from
within.
You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir
workshops and he is passionate about EAA. You should read his
comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment
that Rod has created.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122
Additional information can be found at this link containing comments
from EAA Board Members who have resigned. Here is a key comment if
you don't go read the entire link.
============
As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start
having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp
Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than
EAA members.
============
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049
I hope you will consider supporting our effort. We won't have enough
votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot
across the bow of EAA's leadership.
Thanks,
Phil
On 7/13/12, Pascal wrote:
> Jason;
> First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of
> the US for our battle in Afghanistan. Its hard, been there, not Afghinstan
> but another operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!
> I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it
> completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport
> aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what building a
> plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that combined
> effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying
> issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for homebuilders
> and not general aviation however.
> My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to have
> more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.
>
> From: Jason Wodack
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
>
> Phil,
> I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop
> for a while. I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused
> such a reaction.
>
> I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm about to
> start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me. I was
> hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed, and
> what the issues are that we are having.
>
> I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action. I do n't want
> to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed before I
> make a decision,
>
> Thanks
> Jason
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry
> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a
> campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcoming
> election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of just
> complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.
>
> This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.
> Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows
> their members to participate in the election. So we copied their language
> that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it to
> reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't
> turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
>
> In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the
> election:
>
> 1) They could choose not to participate.
> 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business
> meeting.
> 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check box on
> your annual renewal)
>
>
> Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members
> and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up being
> appointments and not elections by the members.
>
> I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
> frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same
> thing. The form can be found at this link.
>
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
>
>
> You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
>
> Phillip W. Perry
> C/O David Carr
> 1100 W Monroe St
> Austin, TX 78704
>
>
> Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting
> them:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68
>
>
> Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking
> them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
> control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the
> EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
> message:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
>
>
> Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel
> compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
> business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware of)
> in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately
> participate.
>
> We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP. So
> if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on
> every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to Rod
> Hightower and his buddies.
>
> We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use
> your support and even you active participation.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil Perry
>
> RV-10 #40750
> EAA Lifetime Member
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH12 RV10 Pot Luck Dinner |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
We(4) will be flying in Sat 7-9 AM, depending on wx. Looking forward to some great
food and conversation. Cell: (six, zero, six) 316-9020. If we all help a little,
it won't be so hard on a few and we may want to do this more often. I am
a newbie, but a good cook/trash man/drink mixer/food shopper...whatever is needed.
Raining now in Ky...we needed it bad, but I sure hope for beautiful wx
during everyone's travels and at Osh. See ya there.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 41
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| Subject: | Re: flap positioning |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
As bob states, your assumption is correct Rick. The problem is that zero degrees
becomes the first stop and then you only get to choose one more prior to full
flaps. I think Marc was talking about adding an additional intermediate stop.
On the Garmin G3, the display is not so elaborate as the dynon. It is just
a bar graph with a sliding pointer.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: flap positioning |
My G3X shows each position.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 10:35 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: flap positioning
>
> As bob states, your assumption is correct Rick. The problem is that zero
> degrees becomes the first stop and then you only get to choose one more
> prior to full flaps. I think Marc was talking about adding an additional
> intermediate stop. On the Garmin G3, the display is not so elaborate as
> the dynon. It is just a bar graph with a sliding pointer.
>
> --------
> Bill
> WA0SYV
> Aviation Partners, LLC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378202#378202
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: flap positioning |
That is exactly how it works on the VP-200 Kelly. I would bet that the VP-X is
the same.
David Maib
RV-10 Transition Training
40559 520 hours.
On Jul 13, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
I will be using the VPX as well. Any pictures? Couldn't you define the reflex
position as top of travel, trailing as 1st intermediate and 1/2 flaps as second
intermediate?
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:09 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
Rick
I aiso have the VPX and have it hooked up to control the flps. There is no reason
to have anything else controlling the flaps if you use the VPX. You
will have to provide a feedback position sensor . I made a bracket and attached
the Ray Allen servo to the actuator arm and attached the
whole thing to the side if the tunnel. The only issue is the VPX does not distinguish
the reflex position! You can set the top and the bottom positions and
only 2 intermediate positions.
Bill
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| From: | "John J" <n212pj(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | broken down in Eugene Oregon |
Jim, try Tom Hastings at 541-912-6402. Tell Tom you got his name through me
from Dick Epplett in Bend, OR, who is a friend of mine. Dick used to own a
hangar at the Eugene airport, but now is retired in Bend and owns a hangar
there. He says that if anyone might know of something available for you,
Tom's the guy. I don't know Tom, but Dick is a great guy, built two
experimentals, was a dentist in Eugene, etc. Upstanding guy. He also said
that if Tom didn't know of anything that there are other names we could try.
All the best of luck!
John J
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: broken down in Eugene Oregon
Anyone have any contacts for hanger space at KEUG.I have a fluctuating oil
pressure problem and looks like the plane is going to be here at least a
month .Thought I had the problem resolved but it returned.Oil pressure
increases during flight to redline -it is not likely a gauge issue as i have
compared the electronic gauge with a mechanical and they match.Any one have
a similar experience. Engine is a narrow deck 540 converted to an io-540.I
overhauled it myself 350+ hours ago with new cylinders ,cam, lifters.I
replaced the cage type oil pressure regulator with an eci adjustable.My plan
is to remove oil filter adapter (b&C)and clean gallery to sump and remove
and clean ball seat and springs on pressure regulator.If problem doesnt
resolve it means engine tear down.One other symptom that is that pressure
always ran about 8 pounds high for the first 5 minutes of flight the would
normalize,I have been advised this is in fact not normal.Any other thoughts
from the engine gurus-thanks Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: flap positioning |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I didn't mean to imply it did not show the position, it just is not curved and
as fancy as the dynon graphic
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| From: | Tim Lewis <TimRVator(at)comcast.net> |
I used one of those for about 10 years on my RV-6A. Works fine. You do
have to modify the axle nut, but not a big deal. Also, you need a few
blocks of wood so you can lower the gear leg and remove the tire jack,
prior to removing the tire.
I made the same axle nut modification for my RV-10 so I could use the
tire jack, but I've been using a wing jack at home lately - much easier.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
RV-10 N31TD -- 300 hrs
johngoodman said the following on 7/1/2012 2:37 PM:
>
> Has anybody tried this on an RV-10:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/rvjack.php
>
> I'm looking for a traveling jack for changing tires, not a wing jack.
>
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 Phase One complete and flying.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376995#376995
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
As a Lifetime member who joined "Just before. The Roust of 2009-2010", I
still await word of those candidates we can vote for rather than proxy the
continued "AOPA like" decline and unresponsiveness of EAA towards its
builders. Can you advise whom to vote for?
John Cox
On Jul 13, 2012 9:05 AM, "Phillip Perry" wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good
> portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.
>
> Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be
> brought up as well.
>
> The EAA debate has been a long time coming. It actually goes all the
> way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.
> But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the
> boiling point for many members.
>
> Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization
> the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their
> core values. The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA
> politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through
> AirVenture. I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong
> revenue stream for the organization. But the organization has become
> focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid
> the price. If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would
> still exist based on the airshow. So the members are now second class
> citizens in the organization.
>
> Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA
> by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to
> participate. This is a right that is entitled to the membership
> community within the bylaws. But this right has not been made
> available to the membership. As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of
> the membership votes. It's like the fox in the hen house in some
> regards.
>
> I love the EAA. I am passionate about it. I am a lifetime member. I
> have served as a chapter VP and President. As I sit here right now,
> I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo. I love the legacy EAA
> culture, I love the EAA brand. I really do care a lot about EAA.
>
> Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen
> nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that
> Rod has created. These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam
> Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is
> an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the
> organization. The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from
> within.
>
> You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir
> workshops and he is passionate about EAA. You should read his
> comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment
> that Rod has created.
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount
=122
>
> Additional information can be found at this link containing comments
> from EAA Board Members who have resigned. Here is a key comment if
> you don't go read the entire link.
>
> ============
> As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start
> having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp
> Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than
> EAA members.
> ============
>
> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-
426a-a210-5b7ee4112049
>
>
> I hope you will consider supporting our effort. We won't have enough
> votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot
> across the bow of EAA's leadership.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
> On 7/13/12, Pascal wrote:
> > Jason;
> > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety
of
> > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. It=92s hard, been there, not
> Afghinstan
> > but another =93operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!
> > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it
> > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Spo
rt
> > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what
> building a
> > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that =93combined
=94
> > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flyin
g
> > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for
> homebuilders
> > and not general aviation however.
> > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to
> have
> > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.
> >
> > From: Jason Wodack
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
> >
> > Phil,
> > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the lo
op
> > for a while. I was just curious about what I was missing that has caus
ed
> > such a reaction.
> >
> > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm
> about to
> > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me. I w
as
> > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed
,
> and
> > what the issues are that we are having.
> >
> > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action. I do n't
> want
> > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed
> before I
> > make a decision,
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is
a
> > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the
> upcoming
> > election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of jus
t
> > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections
.
> >
> > This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the
> EAA.
> > Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows
> > their members to participate in the election. So we copied their
> language
> > that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on
> it to
> > reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can
't
> > turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
> >
> > In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in th
e
> > election:
> >
> > 1) They could choose not to participate.
> > 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual
> business
> > meeting.
> > 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check
> box on
> > your annual renewal)
> >
> >
> > Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some
> members
> > and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up bei
ng
> > appointments and not elections by the members.
> >
> > I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
> > frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that sam
e
> > thing. The form can be found at this link.
> >
> >
> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
> >
> >
> > You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
> >
> > Phillip W. Perry
> > C/O David Carr
> > 1100 W Monroe St
> > Austin, TX 78704
> >
> >
> > Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for
> selecting
> > them:
> >
> >
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount
=68
> >
> >
> > Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link
> asking
> > them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
> > control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of t
he
> > EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
> > message:
> >
> > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
> >
> >
> > Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel
> > compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
> > business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware
> of)
> > in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately
> > participate.
> >
> > We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP
.
> So
> > if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message
on
> > every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote t
o
> Rod
> > Hightower and his buddies.
> >
> > We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can
> use
> > your support and even you active participation.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Phil Perry
> >
> > RV-10 #40750
> > EAA Lifetime Member
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> > tp://forums.matronics.com
> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
John,
Are you going to be at the lifetime members banquet on Tues or attending
the annual business meeting on Saturday morning?
Here is some commentary I put together for the folks I am representing. We
clearly won't have enough votes to move the election in any specific
direction, so our strategy for this year is to simply cast a vote that
reflects our loss of confidence in the management. Even though we won't
have the votes to move the election, we will have enough votes to put a
reasonable shot across the bow.
For those of you who can attend the meeting at AirVenture on Saturday, I'd
encourage you to do so. Apparently these meetings typically have 50 people
attending and most of them are family members of the candidates. If you're
dissatisfied and can be there, you need to be there. It's your
responsibility to be there, be seen, and cast your own vote. Otherwise,
the next best thing is to assign your proxy to me and I'll respectfully do
it for you.
Commentary below.
Thanks,
Phil
===================
The most relevant piece of information involves the five Class I Director
seats that are coming open as well as additional information related to the
nine candidates. The biographies provided in Sport Aviation might be
accurate, but there are some key details missing in a few of them.
After some research, we found that five of the nine candidates are current
EAA Class I Directors. This information is explicitly called out in two
bios and only hinted-to in Alan Shackleton=92s bio.
The five members of the board who are running for re-election are:
Barry Davis
John (Jack) Harrington
David Lau
Dan Schwinn
Alan Shackleton
The discovery of this information made us rethink the initial
recommendations for vote distribution and that initiated a lengthy
discussion about voting strategy.
The EAA=92s lack of transparency (Lack of meeting minutes, no published
voting records, etc.) doesn=92t allow us to evaluate each board member on
their individual merit. Based on the state of affairs at EAA, it is hard
for us to confidently vote for any of these individuals. I=92m sure there a
re
a few respectable folks in here, but that can=92t be determined because of
the lack of transparency. This is the same lack of transparency they are
responsible for creating/maintaining.
After our discussion and the revelation that 5 of the 9 candidates are
running for re-election within all 5 open seats, I have decided to adjust
my own recommendations to vote for the 4 candidates who are not members of
the current board of directors and leave our 5th vote unassigned.
This means our five votes would be for:
Doug Crumrine
Ethan Martin
Dave Morss
Steven Oxman
Open: No Vote Placed
While some would argue this isn=92t an optimal list, it is the only list of
candidates we have to choose from and it still provides some balance
between Homebuilders, Vintage, Warbirds, and Certified GA. But most
importantly a vote for these men represents a vote in favor of fresh ideas
and leadership when compared to the current collection of Class I Directors
.
==============
Thanks,
Phil
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:50 AM, John Cox wrote:
> As a Lifetime member who joined "Just before. The Roust of 2009-2010", I
> still await word of those candidates we can vote for rather than proxy th
e
> continued "AOPA like" decline and unresponsiveness of EAA towards its
> builders. Can you advise whom to vote for?
>
> John Cox
> On Jul 13, 2012 9:05 AM, "Phillip Perry" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good
>> portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.
>>
>> Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be
>> brought up as well.
>>
>> The EAA debate has been a long time coming. It actually goes all the
>> way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.
>> But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the
>> boiling point for many members.
>>
>> Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization
>> the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their
>> core values. The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA
>> politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through
>> AirVenture. I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong
>> revenue stream for the organization. But the organization has become
>> focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid
>> the price. If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would
>> still exist based on the airshow. So the members are now second class
>> citizens in the organization.
>>
>> Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA
>> by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to
>> participate. This is a right that is entitled to the membership
>> community within the bylaws. But this right has not been made
>> available to the membership. As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of
>> the membership votes. It's like the fox in the hen house in some
>> regards.
>>
>> I love the EAA. I am passionate about it. I am a lifetime member. I
>> have served as a chapter VP and President. As I sit here right now,
>> I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo. I love the legacy EAA
>> culture, I love the EAA brand. I really do care a lot about EAA.
>>
>> Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen
>> nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that
>> Rod has created. These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam
>> Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is
>> an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the
>> organization. The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from
>> within.
>>
>> You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir
>> workshops and he is passionate about EAA. You should read his
>> comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment
>> that Rod has created.
>>
>> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount
=122
>>
>> Additional information can be found at this link containing comments
>> from EAA Board Members who have resigned. Here is a key comment if
>> you don't go read the entire link.
>>
>> ============
>> As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start
>> having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp
>> Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than
>> EAA members.
>> ============
>>
>> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb
-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049
>>
>>
>> I hope you will consider supporting our effort. We won't have enough
>> votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot
>> across the bow of EAA's leadership.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/13/12, Pascal wrote:
>> > Jason;
>> > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety
>> of
>> > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. It=92s hard, been there, not
>> Afghinstan
>> > but another =93operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!
>> > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer i
t
>> > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for
>> Sport
>> > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what
>> building a
>> > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that =93combine
d=94
>> > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flyi
ng
>> > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for
>> homebuilders
>> > and not general aviation however.
>> > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members t
o
>> have
>> > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.
>> >
>> > From: Jason Wodack
>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM
>> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
>> >
>> > Phil,
>> > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the
>> loop
>> > for a while. I was just curious about what I was missing that has
>> caused
>> > such a reaction.
>> >
>> > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm
>> about to
>> > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me. I
>> was
>> > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have
>> missed, and
>> > what the issues are that we are having.
>> >
>> > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action. I do n'
t
>> want
>> > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed
>> before I
>> > make a decision,
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Jason
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> > If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is
a
>> > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the
>> upcoming
>> > election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of ju
st
>> > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic election
s.
>> >
>> > This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the
>> EAA.
>> > Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allow
s
>> > their members to participate in the election. So we copied their
>> language
>> > that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on
>> it to
>> > reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they
>> can't
>> > turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
>> >
>> > In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in t
he
>> > election:
>> >
>> > 1) They could choose not to participate.
>> > 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual
>> business
>> > meeting.
>> > 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check
>> box on
>> > your annual renewal)
>> >
>> >
>> > Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some
>> members
>> > and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up
>> being
>> > appointments and not elections by the members.
>> >
>> > I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
>> > frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that sa
me
>> > thing. The form can be found at this link.
>> >
>> >
>> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pd
f
>> >
>> >
>> > You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
>> >
>> > Phillip W. Perry
>> > C/O David Carr
>> > 1100 W Monroe St
>> > Austin, TX 78704
>> >
>> >
>> > Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for
>> selecting
>> > them:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount
=68
>> >
>> >
>> > Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link
>> asking
>> > them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
>> > control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of
>> the
>> > EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
>> > message:
>> >
>> > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
>> >
>> >
>> > Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you fee
l
>> > compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
>> > business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm awar
e
>> of)
>> > in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimatel
y
>> > participate.
>> >
>> > We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort
>> ASAP. So
>> > if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message
>> on
>> > every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote
>> to Rod
>> > Hightower and his buddies.
>> >
>> > We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and ca
n
>> use
>> > your support and even you active participation.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Phil Perry
>> >
>> > RV-10 #40750
>> > EAA Lifetime Member
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> > tp://forums.matronics.com
>> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> ==========
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>
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> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
Regulatory Advocacy to me is the most important thing EAA does, by that I
mean protecting our ability to build homebuilt aircraft with the least
encumbrances possible.
I guess the thing I'm most concerned about is, would the new management of
EAA take as seriously the threat to homebuilding that was presented when
the FAA was reviewing the 51% rule?
My guess is probably not, as demonstrated by the loss of the ability for
instructors to charge for instruction in their own homebuilts by being an
EAA member, instructing an EAA member.
It used to be that anyone who was an EAA member, instructor and owned a
homebuilt could charge for instruction but that loophole in the rules
quietly expired. Now an instructor has to go through a lengthy letter of
deviation authority process which is not standardized across the FSDOs.
There used to be a guy in Florida that you could get a private multi engine
ticket in an Aircam... not anymore.
I think that I'm throwing my lot in with these guys.
Bill
N84WJ, RV-8, 791hrs.
rv-8.blogspot.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Hi Jason,
Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good
portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.
Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be
brought up as well.
The EAA debate has been a long time coming. It actually goes all the
way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.
But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the
boiling point for many members.
Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization
the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their
core values. The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA
politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through
AirVenture. I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong
revenue stream for the organization. But the organization has become
focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid
the price. If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would
still exist based on the airshow. So the members are now second class
citizens in the organization.
Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA
by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to
participate. This is a right that is entitled to the membership
community within the bylaws. But this right has not been made
available to the membership. As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of
the membership votes. It's like the fox in the hen house in some
regards.
I love the EAA. I am passionate about it. I am a lifetime member. I
have served as a chapter VP and President. As I sit here right now,
I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo. I love the legacy EAA
culture, I love the EAA brand. I really do care a lot about EAA.
Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen
nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that
Rod has created. These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam
Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is
an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the
organization. The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from
within.
You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir
workshops and he is passionate about EAA. You should read his
comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment
that Rod has created.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122
Additional information can be found at this link containing comments
from EAA Board Members who have resigned. Here is a key comment if
you don't go read the entire link.
===========
As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start
having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp
Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than
EAA members.
===========
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049
I hope you will consider supporting our effort. We won't have enough
votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot
across the bow of EAA's leadership.
Thanks,
Phil
>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
> From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good
> portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.
>
> Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be
> brought up as well.
>
> The EAA debate has been a long time coming. It actually goes all the
> way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.
> But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the
> boiling point for many members.
>
> Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization
> the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their
> core values. The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA
> politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through
> AirVenture. I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong
> revenue stream for the organization. But the organization has become
> focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid
> the price. If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would
> still exist based on the airshow. So the members are now second class
> citizens in the organization.
>
> Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA
> by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to
> participate. This is a right that is entitled to the membership
> community within the bylaws. But this right has not been made
> available to the membership. As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of
> the membership votes. It's like the fox in the hen house in some
> regards.
>
> I love the EAA. I am passionate about it. I am a lifetime member. I
> have served as a chapter VP and President. As I sit here right now,
> I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo. I love the legacy EAA
> culture, I love the EAA brand. I really do care a lot about EAA.
>
> Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen
> nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that
> Rod has created. These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam
> Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is
> an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the
> organization. The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from
> within.
>
> You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir
> workshops and he is passionate about EAA. You should read his
> comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment
> that Rod has created.
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=122
>
> Additional information can be found at this link containing comments
> from EAA Board Members who have resigned. Here is a key comment if
> you don't go read the entire link.
>
> ===========
> As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start
> having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp
> Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than
> EAA members.
> ===========
>
> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049
>
>
> I hope you will consider supporting our effort. We won't have enough
> votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot
> across the bow of EAA's leadership.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
> On 7/13/12, Pascal wrote:
> > Jason;
> > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of
> > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. Its hard, been there, not
> Afghinstan
> > but another operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!
> > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it
> > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport
> > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what
> building a
> > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that combined
> > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying
> > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for
> homebuilders
> > and not general aviation however.
> > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to
> have
> > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.
> >
> > From: Jason Wodack
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
> >
> > Phil,
> > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop
> > for a while. I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused
> > such a reaction.
> >
> > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm
> about to
> > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me. I was
> > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed,
> and
> > what the issues are that we are having.
> >
> > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action. I do n't
> want
> > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed
> before I
> > make a decision,
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a
> > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the
> upcoming
> > election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of just
> > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.
> >
> > This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the
> EAA.
> > Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows
> > their members to participate in the election. So we copied their
> language
> > that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on
> it to
> > reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't
> > turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
> >
> > In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the
> > election:
> >
> > 1) They could choose not to participate.
> > 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual
> business
> > meeting.
> > 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check
> box on
> > your annual renewal)
> >
> >
> > Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some
> members
> > and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up being
> > appointments and not elections by the members.
> >
> > I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
> > frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same
> > thing. The form can be found at this link.
> >
> >
> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
> >
> >
> > You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
> >
> > Phillip W. Perry
> > C/O David Carr
> > 1100 W Monroe St
> > Austin, TX 78704
> >
> >
> > Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for
> selecting
> > them:
> >
> >
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount=68
> >
> >
> > Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link
> asking
> > them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
> > control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the
> > EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
> > message:
> >
> > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
> >
> >
> > Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel
> > compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
> > business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware
> of)
> > in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately
> > participate.
> >
> > We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP.
> So
> > if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on
> > every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to
> Rod
> > Hightower and his buddies.
> >
> > We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can
> use
> > your support and even you active participation.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Phil Perry
> >
> > RV-10 #40750
> > EAA Lifetime Member
> >
> >
> > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> > tp://forums.matronics.com
> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Bill,
As an RV10 owner, and CFI, I'd like to comment on your comments.
Here at the OAK FSDO getting a LODA for type-specific training was not effortless,
but not that difficult either. The key is telling them someone else has already
done this (they never want to set precedents). Once I gave them an N number
(off Van's list) everything went smoothly.
I would, personally, love to give instrument instruction or Flight Reviews in my
aircraft, but, as you pointed out, my LODA does not allow this. However, I do
understand the FAA's position. The LODA is a waiver on the "no use for compensation
or hire" clause. The FAA feels it has a duty to protect the public and
it is very resistant to allowing E-AB aircraft to be held out to the public for
hire. This does cause a different problem: giving only type specific instruction,
there isn't enough business to justify the insurance cost, so I have decided,
in general, not to do it (or only on a case by case basis, where I can
get the pilot on my current insurance). This is an issue, but the FAA doesn't
see it as their issue.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378290#378290
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
Will be @ OSH.
503-453-6016
On Jul 14, 2012 6:49 AM, "Phillip Perry" wrote:
> John,
>
> Are you going to be at the lifetime members banquet on Tues or attending
> the annual business meeting on Saturday morning?
>
> Here is some commentary I put together for the folks I am representing.
> We clearly won't have enough votes to move the election in any specific
> direction, so our strategy for this year is to simply cast a vote that
> reflects our loss of confidence in the management. Even though we won't
> have the votes to move the election, we will have enough votes to put a
> reasonable shot across the bow.
>
> For those of you who can attend the meeting at AirVenture on Saturday, I'
d
> encourage you to do so. Apparently these meetings typically have 50 peop
le
> attending and most of them are family members of the candidates. If you'
re
> dissatisfied and can be there, you need to be there. It's your
> responsibility to be there, be seen, and cast your own vote. Otherwise,
> the next best thing is to assign your proxy to me and I'll respectfully d
o
> it for you.
>
> Commentary below.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
> ===================
>
> The most relevant piece of information involves the five Class I Director
> seats that are coming open as well as additional information related to t
he
> nine candidates. The biographies provided in Sport Aviation might be
> accurate, but there are some key details missing in a few of them.
>
> After some research, we found that five of the nine candidates are curren
t
> EAA Class I Directors. This information is explicitly called out in two
> bios and only hinted-to in Alan Shackleton=92s bio.
>
> The five members of the board who are running for re-election are:
>
> Barry Davis
> John (Jack) Harrington
> David Lau
> Dan Schwinn
> Alan Shackleton
>
> The discovery of this information made us rethink the initial
> recommendations for vote distribution and that initiated a lengthy
> discussion about voting strategy.
>
> The EAA=92s lack of transparency (Lack of meeting minutes, no published
> voting records, etc.) doesn=92t allow us to evaluate each board member on
> their individual merit. Based on the state of affairs at EAA, it is hard
> for us to confidently vote for any of these individuals. I=92m sure there
are
> a few respectable folks in here, but that can=92t be determined because o
f
> the lack of transparency. This is the same lack of transparency they are
> responsible for creating/maintaining.
>
> After our discussion and the revelation that 5 of the 9 candidates are
> running for re-election within all 5 open seats, I have decided to adjust
> my own recommendations to vote for the 4 candidates who are not members o
f
> the current board of directors and leave our 5th vote unassigned.
>
> This means our five votes would be for:
>
> Doug Crumrine
> Ethan Martin
> Dave Morss
> Steven Oxman
> Open: No Vote Placed
>
> While some would argue this isn=92t an optimal list, it is the only list
of
> candidates we have to choose from and it still provides some balance
> between Homebuilders, Vintage, Warbirds, and Certified GA. But most
> importantly a vote for these men represents a vote in favor of fresh idea
s
> and leadership when compared to the current collection of Class I Directo
rs.
>
> ==============
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:50 AM, John Cox wrote:
>
>> As a Lifetime member who joined "Just before. The Roust of 2009-2010", I
>> still await word of those candidates we can vote for rather than proxy t
he
>> continued "AOPA like" decline and unresponsiveness of EAA towards its
>> builders. Can you advise whom to vote for?
>>
>> John Cox
>> On Jul 13, 2012 9:05 AM, "Phillip Perry" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jason,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good
>>> portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.
>>>
>>> Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be
>>> brought up as well.
>>>
>>> The EAA debate has been a long time coming. It actually goes all the
>>> way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.
>>> But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the
>>> boiling point for many members.
>>>
>>> Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization
>>> the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their
>>> core values. The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA
>>> politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through
>>> AirVenture. I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong
>>> revenue stream for the organization. But the organization has become
>>> focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid
>>> the price. If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would
>>> still exist based on the airshow. So the members are now second class
>>> citizens in the organization.
>>>
>>> Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA
>>> by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to
>>> participate. This is a right that is entitled to the membership
>>> community within the bylaws. But this right has not been made
>>> available to the membership. As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of
>>> the membership votes. It's like the fox in the hen house in some
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> I love the EAA. I am passionate about it. I am a lifetime member. I
>>> have served as a chapter VP and President. As I sit here right now,
>>> I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo. I love the legacy EAA
>>> culture, I love the EAA brand. I really do care a lot about EAA.
>>>
>>> Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen
>>> nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that
>>> Rod has created. These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam
>>> Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is
>>> an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the
>>> organization. The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from
>>> within.
>>>
>>> You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir
>>> workshops and he is passionate about EAA. You should read his
>>> comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment
>>> that Rod has created.
>>>
>>> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount
=122
>>>
>>> Additional information can be found at this link containing comments
>>> from EAA Board Members who have resigned. Here is a key comment if
>>> you don't go read the entire link.
>>>
>>> ============
>>> As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start
>>> having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp
>>> Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than
>>> EAA members.
>>> ============
>>>
>>> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adc
b-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope you will consider supporting our effort. We won't have enough
>>> votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot
>>> across the bow of EAA's leadership.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/13/12, Pascal wrote:
>>> > Jason;
>>> > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safet
y
>>> of
>>> > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. It=92s hard, been there, not
>>> Afghinstan
>>> > but another =93operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!
>>> > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer
it
>>> > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for
>>> Sport
>>> > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what
>>> building a
>>> > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that =93combin
ed=94
>>> > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general
>>> flying
>>> > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for
>>> homebuilders
>>> > and not general aviation however.
>>> > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members
>>> to have
>>> > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.
>>> >
>>> > From: Jason Wodack
>>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM
>>> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
>>> >
>>> > Phil,
>>> > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the
>>> loop
>>> > for a while. I was just curious about what I was missing that has
>>> caused
>>> > such a reaction.
>>> >
>>> > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm
>>> about to
>>> > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me. I
>>> was
>>> > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have
>>> missed, and
>>> > what the issues are that we are having.
>>> >
>>> > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action. I do
>>> n't want
>>> > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed
>>> before I
>>> > make a decision,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> > Jason
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Everyone,
>>> >
>>> > If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there i
s a
>>> > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the
>>> upcoming
>>> > election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of
>>> just
>>> > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic
>>> elections.
>>> >
>>> > This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the
>>> EAA.
>>> > Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allo
ws
>>> > their members to participate in the election. So we copied their
>>> language
>>> > that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name o
n
>>> it to
>>> > reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they
>>> can't
>>> > turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
>>> >
>>> > In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in
>>> the
>>> > election:
>>> >
>>> > 1) They could choose not to participate.
>>> > 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual
>>> business
>>> > meeting.
>>> > 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check
>>> box on
>>> > your annual renewal)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some
>>> members
>>> > and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up
>>> being
>>> > appointments and not elections by the members.
>>> >
>>> > I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
>>> > frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that
>>> same
>>> > thing. The form can be found at this link.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
>>> >
>>> > Phillip W. Perry
>>> > C/O David Carr
>>> > 1100 W Monroe St
>>> > Austin, TX 78704
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for
>>> selecting
>>> > them:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount
=68
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link
>>> asking
>>> > them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
>>> > control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of
>>> the
>>> > EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
>>> > message:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you fe
el
>>> > compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
>>> > business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm
>>> aware of)
>>> > in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimate
ly
>>> > participate.
>>> >
>>> > We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort
>>> ASAP. So
>>> > if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the messag
e
>>> on
>>> > every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote
>>> to Rod
>>> > Hightower and his buddies.
>>> >
>>> > We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and
>>> can use
>>> > your support and even you active participation.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Phil Perry
>>> >
>>> > RV-10 #40750
>>> > EAA Lifetime Member
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> > tp://forums.matronics.com
>>> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> ==========
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> le, List Admin.
>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
>>
>>
> *
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
Looks like DR over on the VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the kybash
on any talk of the EAA and its current direction classifying it as "politic
s" which is against forum rules. What a shame considering it is one of the
largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's and what better avenue to organize the
homebuilder base. Its his sandbox though so,,,,,,,,,,,,.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cox" <rv10pro(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:29:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Will be @ OSH.
503-453-6016
On Jul 14, 2012 6:49 AM, "Phillip Perry" < philperry9(at)gmail.com > wrote:
John,
Are you going to be at the lifetime members banquet on Tues or attending th
e annual business meeting on Saturday morning?
Here is some commentary I put together for the folks I am representing. We
clearly won't have enough votes to move the election in any specific direct
ion, so our strategy for this year is to simply cast a vote that reflects o
ur loss of confidence in the management. Even though we won't have the vote
s to move the election, we will have enough votes to put a reasonable shot
across the bow.
For those of you who can attend the meeting at AirVenture on Saturday, I'd
encourage you to do so. Apparently these meetings typically have 50 people
attending and most of them are family members of the candidates. If you're
dissatisfied and can be there, you need to be there. It's your responsibili
ty to be there, be seen, and cast your own vote. Otherwise, the next best t
hing is to assign your proxy to me and I'll respectfully do it for you.
Commentary below.
Thanks,
Phil
====================
The most relevant piece of information involves the five Class I Director s
eats that are coming open as well as additional information related to the
nine candidates. The biographies provided in Sport Aviation might be accura
te, but there are some key details missing in a few of them.
After some research, we found that five of the nine candidates are current
EAA Class I Directors. This information is explicitly called out in two bio
s and only hinted-to in Alan Shackleton=99s bio.
The five members of the board who are running for re-election are:
Barry Davis
John (Jack) Harrington
David Lau
Dan Schwinn
Alan Shackleton
The discovery of this information made us rethink the initial recommendatio
ns for vote distribution and that initiated a lengthy discussion about voti
ng strategy.
The EAA=99s lack of transparency (Lack of meeting minutes, no publish
ed voting records, etc.) doesn=99t allow us to evaluate each board me
mber on their individual merit. Based on the state of affairs at EAA, it is
hard for us to confidently vote for any of these individuals. I=99m
sure there are a few respectable folks in here, but that can=99t be d
etermined because of the lack of transparency. This is the same lack of tra
nsparency they are responsible for creating/maintaining.
After our discussion and the revelation that 5 of the 9 candidates are runn
ing for re-election within all 5 open seats, I have decided to adjust my ow
n recommendations to vote for the 4 candidates who are not members of the c
urrent board of directors and leave our 5th vote unassigned.
This means our five votes would be for:
Doug Crumrine
Ethan Martin
Dave Morss
Steven Oxman
Open: No Vote Placed
While some would argue this isn=99t an optimal list, it is the only l
ist of candidates we have to choose from and it still provides some balance
between Homebuilders, Vintage, Warbirds, and Certified GA. But most import
antly a vote for these men represents a vote in favor of fresh ideas and le
adership when compared to the current collection of Class I Directors.
===============
Thanks,
Phil
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:50 AM, John Cox < rv10pro(at)gmail.com > wrote:
As a Lifetime member who joined "Just before. The Roust of 2009-2010", I st
ill await word of those candidates we can vote for rather than proxy the co
ntinued "AOPA like" decline and unresponsiveness of EAA towards its builder
s. Can you advise whom to vote for?
John Cox
On Jul 13, 2012 9:05 AM, "Phillip Perry" < philperry9(at)gmail.com > wrote:
Hi Jason,
Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good
portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.
Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be
brought up as well.
The EAA debate has been a long time coming. It actually goes all the
way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.
But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the
boiling point for many members.
Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization
the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their
core values. The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA
politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through
AirVenture. I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong
revenue stream for the organization. But the organization has become
focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid
the price. If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would
still exist based on the airshow. So the members are now second class
citizens in the organization.
Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA
by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to
participate. This is a right that is entitled to the membership
community within the bylaws. But this right has not been made
available to the membership. As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of
the membership votes. It's like the fox in the hen house in some
regards.
I love the EAA. I am passionate about it. I am a lifetime member. I
have served as a chapter VP and President. As I sit here right now,
I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo. I love the legacy EAA
culture, I love the EAA brand. I really do care a lot about EAA.
Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen
nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that
Rod has created. These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam
Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is
an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the
organization. The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from
within.
You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir
workshops and he is passionate about EAA. You should read his
comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment
that Rod has created.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcount=1
22
Additional information can be found at this link containing comments
from EAA Board Members who have resigned. Here is a key comment if
you don't go read the entire link.
=============
As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start
having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp
Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than
EAA members.
=============
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-adcb-42
6a-a210-5b7ee4112049
I hope you will consider supporting our effort. We won't have enough
votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot
across the bow of EAA's leadership.
Thanks,
Phil
On 7/13/12, Pascal < rv10flyer(at)verizon.net > wrote:
> Jason;
> First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and safety of
> the US for our battle in Afghanistan. It=99s hard, been there, not
Afghinstan
> but another =9Coperation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!
> I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer it
> completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for Sport
> aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what building
a
> plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that =9Ccomb
ined=9D
> effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general flying
> issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for homebuilde
rs
> and not general aviation however.
> My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members to h
ave
> more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.
>
> From: Jason Wodack
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
>
> Phil,
> I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the loop
> for a while. I was just curious about what I was missing that has caused
> such a reaction.
>
> I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm about
to
> start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me. I was
> hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have missed,
and
> what the issues are that we are having.
>
> I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action. I do n't wa
nt
> to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed befor
e I
> make a decision,
>
> Thanks
> Jason
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry < philperry9(at)gmail.com >
> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there is a
> campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the upcomi
ng
> election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of just
> complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic elections.
>
> This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from the EAA.
> Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that allows
> their members to participate in the election. So we copied their language
> that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name on it
to
> reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they can't
> turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
>
> In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in the
> election:
>
> 1) They could choose not to participate.
> 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual business
> meeting.
> 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a check box on
> your annual renewal)
>
>
> Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some members
> and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up being
> appointments and not elections by the members.
>
> I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
> frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that same
> thing. The form can be found at this link.
>
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
>
>
> You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
>
> Phillip W. Perry
> C/O David Carr
> 1100 W Monroe St
> Austin, TX 78704
>
>
> Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for selecting
> them:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcount
=68
>
>
> Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link asking
> them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give total
> control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control of the
> EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on that
> message:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
>
>
> Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you feel
> compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
> business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm aware of
)
> in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to legitimately
> participate.
>
> We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort ASAP. So
> if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the message on
> every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vote to
Rod
> Hightower and his buddies.
>
> We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and can use
> your support and even you active participation.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil Perry
>
> RV-10 #40750
> EAA Lifetime Member
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> get="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> tp:// forums.matronics.com
> _blank"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Yeah it's a disappointing to see that the thread went from supported to
unsupported on VAF overnight.
We're going to keep pushing the effort though. There are a handful of us
looking for some alternative ways to spread the word. It's only a setback
and not the end. We'll gain ground some days and lose ground on others.
But the internet is much larger than Doug's website, so don't give up yet.
Doug's site is just where it got started.
Phil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
Keep the faith Phil, by your actions it=99s a step to show that
some members want change. I would expect there to be pushback. It does
sound like Politics, EAA choses who they want and say they are doing it
on behalf of the members. You are just trying to actually make that
happen.
Thanks!
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Yeah it's a disappointing to see that the thread went from supported to
unsupported on VAF overnight.
We're going to keep pushing the effort though. There are a handful of
us looking for some alternative ways to spread the word. It's only a
setback and not the end. We'll gain ground some days and lose ground on
others.
But the internet is much larger than Doug's website, so don't give up
yet. Doug's site is just where it got started.
Phil
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
That is one reason that I rarely spend much time on VAF. Matt seems to be
much more permissive about what is posted here, and the participants are
better looking and more intelligent. ;-))
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:09 AM, wrote:
> Looks like DR over on the VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the kybas
h
> on any talk of the EAA and its current direction classifying it as
> "politics" which is against forum rules. What a shame considering it is
> one of the largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's and what better avenue to
> organize the homebuilder base. Its his sandbox though so,,,,,,,,,,,,.
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> Howell, MI
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"John Cox" <rv10pro(at)gmail.com>
> *To: *rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:29:12 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
>
> Will be @ OSH.
>
> 503-453-6016
> On Jul 14, 2012 6:49 AM, "Phillip Perry" wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Are you going to be at the lifetime members banquet on Tues or attending
>> the annual business meeting on Saturday morning?
>>
>> Here is some commentary I put together for the folks I am representing.
>> We clearly won't have enough votes to move the election in any specific
>> direction, so our strategy for this year is to simply cast a vote that
>> reflects our loss of confidence in the management. Even though we won't
>> have the votes to move the election, we will have enough votes to put a
>> reasonable shot across the bow.
>>
>> For those of you who can attend the meeting at AirVenture on Saturday,
>> I'd encourage you to do so. Apparently these meetings typically have 50
>> people attending and most of them are family members of the candidates.
If
>> you're dissatisfied and can be there, you need to be there. It's your
>> responsibility to be there, be seen, and cast your own vote. Otherwise,
>> the next best thing is to assign your proxy to me and I'll respectfully
do
>> it for you.
>>
>> Commentary below.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> ===================
>>
>> The most relevant piece of information involves the five Class I Directo
r
>> seats that are coming open as well as additional information related to
the
>> nine candidates. The biographies provided in Sport Aviation might be
>> accurate, but there are some key details missing in a few of them.
>>
>> After some research, we found that five of the nine candidates are
>> current EAA Class I Directors. This information is explicitly called out
in
>> two bios and only hinted-to in Alan Shackleton=92s bio.
>>
>> The five members of the board who are running for re-election are:
>>
>> Barry Davis
>> John (Jack) Harrington
>> David Lau
>> Dan Schwinn
>> Alan Shackleton
>>
>> The discovery of this information made us rethink the initial
>> recommendations for vote distribution and that initiated a lengthy
>> discussion about voting strategy.
>>
>> The EAA=92s lack of transparency (Lack of meeting minutes, no published
>> voting records, etc.) doesn=92t allow us to evaluate each board member o
n
>> their individual merit. Based on the state of affairs at EAA, it is hard
>> for us to confidently vote for any of these individuals. I=92m sure ther
e are
>> a few respectable folks in here, but that can=92t be determined because
of
>> the lack of transparency. This is the same lack of transparency they are
>> responsible for creating/maintaining.
>>
>> After our discussion and the revelation that 5 of the 9 candidates are
>> running for re-election within all 5 open seats, I have decided to adjus
t
>> my own recommendations to vote for the 4 candidates who are not members
of
>> the current board of directors and leave our 5th vote unassigned.
>>
>> This means our five votes would be for:
>>
>> Doug Crumrine
>> Ethan Martin
>> Dave Morss
>> Steven Oxman
>> Open: No Vote Placed
>>
>> While some would argue this isn=92t an optimal list, it is the only list
of
>> candidates we have to choose from and it still provides some balance
>> between Homebuilders, Vintage, Warbirds, and Certified GA. But most
>> importantly a vote for these men represents a vote in favor of fresh ide
as
>> and leadership when compared to the current collection of Class I Direct
ors.
>>
>> ==============
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:50 AM, John Cox wrote:
>>
>>> As a Lifetime member who joined "Just before. The Roust of 2009-2010",
I
>>> still await word of those candidates we can vote for rather than proxy
the
>>> continued "AOPA like" decline and unresponsiveness of EAA towards its
>>> builders. Can you advise whom to vote for?
>>>
>>> John Cox
>>> On Jul 13, 2012 9:05 AM, "Phillip Perry" wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your time in Afganistan and for sacrificing a good
>>>> portion of your life for those of us here typing e-mails.
>>>>
>>>> Pascal hit a few key area, but there are a few more that should be
>>>> brought up as well.
>>>>
>>>> The EAA debate has been a long time coming. It actually goes all the
>>>> way back to Paul Poberezny when there was a movement to remove him.
>>>> But in the past 3-4 years, the frustration with EAA has reached the
>>>> boiling point for many members.
>>>>
>>>> Long story short, since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization
>>>> the charter and image of EAA has made a dramatic shift away from their
>>>> core values. The EAA has become focused on being the next AOPA
>>>> politcally and they're focused on the money that can be made through
>>>> AirVenture. I think it's great that AirVenture represents a strong
>>>> revenue stream for the organization. But the organization has become
>>>> focused on milking that stream and the memership community has paid
>>>> the price. If 100% of the members disappeared tomorrow, the EAA would
>>>> still exist based on the airshow. So the members are now second class
>>>> citizens in the organization.
>>>>
>>>> Our efforts to participate in this years election were blocked by EAA
>>>> by being unresponsive and ignoring our requests for a simple ballot to
>>>> participate. This is a right that is entitled to the membership
>>>> community within the bylaws. But this right has not been made
>>>> available to the membership. As a result, the EAA holds nearly all of
>>>> the membership votes. It's like the fox in the hen house in some
>>>> regards.
>>>>
>>>> I love the EAA. I am passionate about it. I am a lifetime member. I
>>>> have served as a chapter VP and President. As I sit here right now,
>>>> I'm wearing a red AirVenture 2009 polo. I love the legacy EAA
>>>> culture, I love the EAA brand. I really do care a lot about EAA.
>>>>
>>>> Since Rod Hightower has taken over the organization, the EAA has seen
>>>> nearly 50 employees walk out the door from the toxic environment that
>>>> Rod has created. These are important people like Charlie Becker, Adam
>>>> Smith, Barry Elk, etc. Just yesterday, they lost HG Frautschy who is
>>>> an Executive Director who has spent 22 years as an employee of the
>>>> organization. The EAA culture as we know it is under attack from
>>>> within.
>>>>
>>>> You might know Dick Kohler, he has taught a number of EAA SportAir
>>>> workshops and he is passionate about EAA. You should read his
>>>> comments at this link because he pretty much captures the environment
>>>> that Rod has created.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=675101&postcoun
t=122
>>>>
>>>> Additional information can be found at this link containing comments
>>>> from EAA Board Members who have resigned. Here is a key comment if
>>>> you don't go read the entire link.
>>>>
>>>> ============
>>>> As Mike Dale put it was time for the Board to "grow up and start
>>>> having the CEO work for the Board". I cannot be part of a rubber stamp
>>>> Board whose prime loyalty is to the Founder and President rather than
>>>> EAA members.
>>>> ============
>>>>
>>>> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=7d613991-ad
cb-426a-a210-5b7ee4112049
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope you will consider supporting our effort. We won't have enough
>>>> votes to change this election, but we will have enough to put a shot
>>>> across the bow of EAA's leadership.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/13/12, Pascal wrote:
>>>> > Jason;
>>>> > First off, that you for the sacrifice to leave the comforts and
>>>> safety of
>>>> > the US for our battle in Afghanistan. It=92s hard, been there, not
>>>> Afghinstan
>>>> > but another =93operation in 1990-1991. Thank you for your service!
>>>> > I think you ask a very good question. Phil may not be able to answer
>>>> it
>>>> > completely but my initial thought is the folks writing articles for
>>>> Sport
>>>> > aviation are ex flying magazine writers who have no idea of what
>>>> building a
>>>> > plane is about, there was a meeting and their has been that =93combi
ned=94
>>>> > effort of AOPA and EAA to represent us with Lsa and other general
>>>> flying
>>>> > issues, good idea, sure! I would like to see the EAA fight for
>>>> homebuilders
>>>> > and not general aviation however.
>>>> > My corporation does the same thing EAA does. Phil just wants members
>>>> to have
>>>> > more say on who is voted in versus the big kahuna at EAA himself.
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Jason Wodack
>>>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:11 AM
>>>> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
>>>> >
>>>> > Phil,
>>>> > I've been in Afghanistan for the last year, and therefore out of the
>>>> loop
>>>> > for a while. I was just curious about what I was missing that has
>>>> caused
>>>> > such a reaction.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've seen claims of EAA not supporting home builders, and since I'm
>>>> about to
>>>> > start on an RV-10 at the end of this deployment, that concerns me.
I
>>>> was
>>>> > hoping you(or someone) could bring me up to speed on what I have
>>>> missed, and
>>>> > what the issues are that we are having.
>>>> >
>>>> > I admire your convition, and your willingness to take action. I do
>>>> n't want
>>>> > to seem like I'm challenging you, but I do want to be well informed
>>>> before I
>>>> > make a decision,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> > Jason
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Phillip Perry
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Everyone,
>>>> >
>>>> > If many of you follow =VAF=, you're probably aware that there
is a
>>>> > campaign within the EAA Membership community to participate in the
>>>> upcoming
>>>> > election of the EAA Board of Directors. We figured that instead of
>>>> just
>>>> > complaining, we should actually participate in the democratic
>>>> elections.
>>>> >
>>>> > This simply idea led to more than 1 month of stone walling from th
e
>>>> EAA.
>>>> > Still to this day, they have not provided a simple document that
>>>> allows
>>>> > their members to participate in the election. So we copied their
>>>> language
>>>> > that assigns the proxy rights to Rod Hightower and changed the name
>>>> on it to
>>>> > reflect me. The EAA has admitted that this is a document that they
>>>> can't
>>>> > turn down at the elections in a few weeks.
>>>> >
>>>> > In the past there were 3 choices for EAA members to participate in
>>>> the
>>>> > election:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1) They could choose not to participate.
>>>> > 2) They could show up in person to cast their vote at the annual
>>>> business
>>>> > meeting.
>>>> > 3) They could assign their vote to Rod Hightower. (This is a chec
k
>>>> box on
>>>> > your annual renewal)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Long story short, the elections would look like 13 votes for some
>>>> members
>>>> > and 16,000 votes for those that Hightower wanted. So they ended up
>>>> being
>>>> > appointments and not elections by the members.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am receiving proxy forms from all over the globe and if you are
>>>> > frustrated with the EAA, I would appreciate it if you would do that
>>>> same
>>>> > thing. The form can be found at this link.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26343935/EAA%20Member%20Proxy%20Statement.pdf
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > You can send me a scanned copy or the original to:
>>>> >
>>>> > Phillip W. Perry
>>>> > C/O David Carr
>>>> > 1100 W Monroe St
>>>> > Austin, TX 78704
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Here are the votes we will be placing and the justification for
>>>> selecting
>>>> > them:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=678549&postcoun
t=68
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Today the EAA retaliated against their members and sent out a link
>>>> asking
>>>> > them to assign proxy votes to Rod Hightower. Please don't give tota
l
>>>> > control of EAA to the current membership and choose to put control o
f
>>>> the
>>>> > EAA back in the hands of the membership. Here's some details on tha
t
>>>> > message:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=679285
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Please don't assign your proxy to the EAA Leadership, and if you
>>>> feel
>>>> > compelled I would be honored to carry your proxy vote forward at the
>>>> > business meeting at AirVenture. This is the first time (that I'm
>>>> aware of)
>>>> > in the history of EAA that the members have found a way to
>>>> legitimately
>>>> > participate.
>>>> >
>>>> > We need to get this word out to everyone who supports the effort
>>>> ASAP. So
>>>> > if you agree, please highlight this proxy effort and share the
>>>> message on
>>>> > every message board you can before some unknowing soul gives his vot
e
>>>> to Rod
>>>> > Hightower and his buddies.
>>>> >
>>>> > We are going to be continuing this effort going into 2013 too and
>>>> can use
>>>> > your support and even you active participation.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Phil Perry
>>>> >
>>>> > RV-10 #40750
>>>> > EAA Lifetime Member
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>> > tp://forums.matronics.com
>>>> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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| From: | "Richard Barnes" <rickbarnes(at)highlanddental.com> |
| Subject: | Death in the Family |
Just a note to let you know that my dear friend and RV10 builder Mike Howe
passed away last week. For many of you, his web site was of great value.
He took several hundred photos of each step in the build process. His
passion was flying and to be able to build the RV10 brought him great joy.
We used your help on the forum to keep us out of too much trouble. For
those of you who may not have seen his web site:
http://www.etigerrr.com/Default.htm His obituary is below.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary-print.aspx?n=micha
el-dewitt-howe
<http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary-print.aspx?n=mich
ael-dewitt-howe&pid=158527721> &pid=158527721
I know he appreciated all of your comments, especially the "primer wars".
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Death in the Family |
He certainly will be missed. Thanks for letting us know, Rick.
He was a great guy. We stopped by his hangar and saw him on
one of our trips out to Utah. He was one of those fellas with
an extreme love of aviation and someone who treated all of
us builders as good friends. It's too bad we lost him.
Tim
On 7/16/2012 9:52 AM, Richard Barnes wrote:
> Just a note to let you know that my dear friend and RV10 builder Mike
> Howe passed away last week. For many of you, his web site was of great
> value. He took several hundred photos of each step in the build
> process. His passion was flying and to be able to build the RV10
> brought him great joy. We used your help on the forum to keep us out
> of too much trouble. For those of you who may not have seen his web
> site: http://www.etigerrr.com/Default.htm His obituary is below.
>
> http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary-print.aspx?n=michael-dewitt-howe&pid=158527721
>
> I know he appreciated all of your comments, especially the primer wars.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Death in the Family |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
I'm sorry to hear that Rick. I never met him personally but I always
enjoyed following along on the site.
He's going to be missed.
Phil
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> He certainly will be missed. Thanks for letting us know, Rick.
> He was a great guy. We stopped by his hangar and saw him on
> one of our trips out to Utah. He was one of those fellas with
> an extreme love of aviation and someone who treated all of
> us builders as good friends. It's too bad we lost him.
> Tim
>
>
> On 7/16/2012 9:52 AM, Richard Barnes wrote:
>
>> Just a note to let you know that my dear friend and RV10 builder Mike
>> Howe passed away last week. For many of you, his web site was of great
>> value. He took several hundred photos of each step in the build
>> process. His passion was flying and to be able to build the RV10
>> brought him great joy. We used your help on the forum to keep us out
>> of too much trouble. For those of you who may not have seen his web
>> site: http://www.etigerrr.com/**Default.htm
ult.htm> His obituary is below.
>>
>> http://www.legacy.com/**obituaries/saltlaketribune/**
>> obituary-print.aspx?n=michael-**dewitt-howe&pid=158527721<http://www
.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary-print.aspx?n=michael-dewi
tt-howe&pid=158527721>
>>
>> I know he appreciated all of your comments, especially the =93primer war
s=94.
>>
>>
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Death in the Family |
I used the website along with Tim Olson=99s for hundreds of
references. Pictures and descriptions were excellent!
A real asset to the RV-10 builders! So Glad he saw it=99s
completion and won an award for the effort!
He=99ll be missed!
From: Richard Barnes
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:52 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Death in the Family
Just a note to let you know that my dear friend and RV10 builder Mike
Howe passed away last week. For many of you, his web site was of great
value. He took several hundred photos of each step in the build
process. His passion was flying and to be able to build the RV10
brought him great joy. We used your help on the forum to keep us out
of too much trouble. For those of you who may not have seen his web
site: http://www.etigerrr.com/Default.htm His obituary is below.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary-print.aspx?n=
michael-dewitt-howe&pid=158527721
I know he appreciated all of your comments, especially the
=9Cprimer wars=9D.
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| Subject: | Re: Death in the Family |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
My condolences. Mike was kind enough to show me around the plane you share
and the hangar a couple years ago. I have relied on his website constantly.
A real gentleman.
Kelly
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Richard Barnes <
rickbarnes(at)highlanddental.com> wrote:
> Just a note to let you know that my dear friend and RV10 builder Mike How
e
> passed away last week. For many of you, his web site was of great value.
> He took several hundred photos of each step in the build process. His
> passion was flying and to be able to build the RV10 brought him great joy
.
> We used your help on the forum to keep us out of too much trouble. For
> those of you who may not have seen his web site:
> http://www.etigerrr.com/Default.htm His obituary is below.****
>
>
> http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary-print.aspx?n=
michael-dewitt-howe&pid=158527721
> ****
>
> I know he appreciated all of your comments, especially the =93primer wars
=94.*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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| Subject: | Re: Death in the Family |
| From: | "Tom Biggs" <rv10(at)tmbiggs.com> |
Terrible news! I never met him personally but chatted several times via email.
Always very helpful and encouraging. You can almost build an RV10 with the instruction
on his site alone.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378407#378407
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| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Death in the Family |
Mike will be missed at the airport.=C2- He was the guy who was willing to
do anything to help you with a project or anything else.=C2- I will miss
him stopping by to say hi.=C2- =0A=0ARick, I am sure glad you helped Mik
e finish the RV-10. It is great he was able to fly it and enjoy it before p
assing. =0A=0A=C2-=0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A>
________________________________=0A> From: Richard Barnes <rickbarnes@highl
anddental.com>=0A>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Monday, July 16, 20
12 8:52 AM=0A>Subject: RV10-List: Death in the Family=0A> =0A>=0A>Just a no
te to let you know that my dear friend and RV10 builder Mike Howe passed aw
ay last week.=C2- For many of you, his web site was of great value.=C2-
He took several hundred photos of each step in the build process.=C2- Hi
s passion was flying and to be able to build the RV10 brought him great joy
.=C2- We used your help =C2-on the forum to keep us out of too much tro
uble.=C2- For those of you who may not have seen his web site: http://www
.etigerrr.com/Default.htm =C2-=C2-His obituary is below.=0A>http://www.
legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary-print.aspx?n=michael-dewit
t-howe&pid=158527721=0A>I know he appreciated all of your comments, espec
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| From: | Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Death in the Family |
In my short visit a couple years ago, it seemed that the EAA members at
Bountiful Airport truly were a family, especially the RV-10 builders.
When you look at what Mike contributed with his web site, Rick in
helping Mike finish and fly, what Sean and Scott managed to do with the
supplemental door latch and other mods, it is quite a contribution to
the RV-10 community. Thanks to all.
Kelly
On 7/16/2012 9:42 AM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> Mike will be missed at the airport. He was the guy who was willing to
> do anything to help you with a project or anything else. I will miss
> him stopping by to say hi.
> Rick, I am sure glad you helped Mike finish the RV-10. It is great he
> was able to fly it and enjoy it before passing.
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Richard Barnes
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2012 8:52 AM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Death in the Family
>
> Just a note to let you know that my dear friend and RV10 builder
> Mike Howe passed away last week. For many of you, his web site
> was of great value. He took several hundred photos of each step in
> the build process. His passion was flying and to be able to build
> the RV10 brought him great joy. We used your help on the forum
> to keep us out of too much trouble. For those of you who may not
> have seen his web site: http://www.etigerrr.com/Default.htm His
> obituary is below.
> http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary-print.aspx?n=michael-dewitt-howe&pid=158527721
> I know he appreciated all of your comments, especially the primer
> wars.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| From: | "John J" <n212pj(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Death in the Family |
This is very sad news.
I never tired of watching Mike's progress, and whenever the head scratching
commenced, his was one of the sites I'd invariably search, and just as
invariably find the answer. Then the site seemed to go quiet (as did mine,
of course), which made me feel somehow left without a mentor. I never met
him, but am certainly going to miss his presence.
RIP Mike.
John J
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Barnes
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Death in the Family
Just a note to let you know that my dear friend and RV10 builder Mike Howe
passed away last week. For many of you, his web site was of great value.
He took several hundred photos of each step in the build process. His
passion was flying and to be able to build the RV10 brought him great joy.
We used your help on the forum to keep us out of too much trouble. For
those of you who may not have seen his web site:
http://www.etigerrr.com/Default.htm His obituary is below.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary-print.aspx?n=micha
el-dewitt-howe
<http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary-print.aspx?n=mich
ael-dewitt-howe&pid=158527721> &pid=158527721
I know he appreciated all of your comments, especially the "primer wars".
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| From: | Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | new site? why different? |
I really don't get all this consternation over the VAF site..............no
secret what the rules are/were. Seems like many posters here want to run
DR out of business. If you don't want to pay him don't but I don't get the
begrudging.............and it seems odd to me that so many begrudge his de
sire to have a donation (which apparently you would never do) but you have
so much "knowledge" about what is on the site........so apparently you spen
d some time there. Maybe its time to get some more fiber in your diet and/
or start another kit to burn off some energy. :)
From: rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
Subject: RV10-List: new site? why different?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 17:54:22 -0700
Why? looks like the same thing to me?
Maybe on what is different? looks like a whole lot of the same advertisers
already?
I=92m already a member and I believe this is a good thing Glenn is doing. I
am all for running a business=2C but I am also all for the builders=2C whic
h is what
makes this (Matronics) forum what it is=2C no one doing anything other than
giving
opinions and focused on our planes. I bet Doug started with a good intentio
n
than moved on to leave his job to run the site full time- tells me he is lo
oking
to provide a service and make money on it. So he=92s making lot off of it
=2C good
for him for being successful! The problem=2C from what I am hearing=2C is w
e end up
paying for the advertisers fees if we buy one of their products=2C so if
rvairspace.com is proving a link for advertisers at a lesser rate or as a
service to the end users it would do 1 of two things- the advertisers will
make
more money for their products than VAF (since they are not paying upwards o
f 10K
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