RV10-Archive.digest.vol-iw
July 16, 2012 - August 19, 2012
a year in fees) and 2-maybe the advertisers may see that benefit and use th
e
rvairspace.com site to provide a discount to reflect the =93benefit=94 of u
sing the
site. In the end everyone wins=2C eventually Glenn will see a booming site
and start getting more people to donate=2C maybe even work out a deal with
advertisers to get a percentage of the sales as a =93referral fee=94. I am
all for
people being compensated for their efforts=2C especially if it=92s a win-wi
n for
everyone.
Competition is good=2C start up=92s are a good thing=2C running them to the
success that VAF has amounted to will be hard=2C but certainly with the RV
groups=2C
there is great potential if given a reason to support it.
Would be great to hear how Glenn is running his start-up any different than
Doug does his.
| From: | BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com |
Sent: Monday=2C July 16=2C 2012 4:55 PM
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - |
Action!
Might want to take a look at
this..http://www.rvairspace.com/index.html
In a message dated 7/16/2012 1:11:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time=2C
Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:
-->
RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
I heard
first hand from someone a while back who is a vendor=2C
who was not ever
allowed to post=2C and had some issues. It seems
that anytime someone
posted a "Check out my airplane" review
where they told about their
product=2C that whole thread
would be removed=2C and basically they were later
"shaken down"
and told that nothing=2C even positive comments on their
products
from other members=2C was acceptable to post (even
first-hand
reviews by happy customers)=2C unless you were a paid
advertiser.
The rates for said advertising were surprisingly steep=2C
also.
I have been told that some of the ads on the main page go
for
$10=2C000 (or more...that's an old number). It bothers me
a bit when
you can't write something nice about a product
you bought that you liked=2C
just because the vendor hasn't paid.
Isn't it always good for the list
readers to hear positive
or negative reviews on things?
Beyond that=2C
I'm of the mindset that you either run a site
on donations/subscriptions=2C
you run it on advertising=2C or you
run it on sales=2C but you pick one of the
3.
It's a nice forum=2C but it would be nicer if it weren't
so
censored. There's no reason to shutdown a thread
like that on the
EAA=2C because clearly on a web forum
style site=2C the people reading that
thread CHOOSE to
read it...it's not being forced into their
inbox.
Shouldn't be threatening to anyone...
Tim
do not
archive
On 7/16/2012 2:48 PM=2C Michael Sausen
wrote:
> Some things never change over there.
This is why when he shut down
> the old Yahoo forums several of us
instead decided to put our support
> behind Matronics which is truly
donation supported vs. the high $$
> revenue he receives from
advertisers. He still passes the tin cup
> around with the =91poor
ole me and my little website=92 rhetoric while
> prohibiting anyone that
sells a product from contributing to any
> discussions without coughing
up considerably first. I drew the line
> when my posts were
edited=2C not deleted=2C edited to remove any criticism
> of his censoring
practices back during the Yahoo days. I probably
> wouldn=92t care
if he would drop the my site needs your donation BS and
> just ran it as
ad supported like it really is. Glad we were able to
> keep this
group going for open discussion=2C even if we do get off topic
>
occasionally.
>
> Off soapbox :)
>
> Do not
archive
>
> Michael
>
>
*From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>
*davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
> *Sent:* Sunday=2C July 15=2C 2012 8:09
AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List:
Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
>
> Looks like DR over on the
VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the
> kybash on any talk of the
EAA and its current direction classifying it
> as "politics" which is
against forum rules. What a shame considering it
> is one of the
largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's and what better
> avenue to
organize the homebuilder base. Its his sandbox though
>
so=2C=2C=2C=2C=2C=2C=2C=2C=2C=2C=2C=2C.
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10
Builder
> Howell=2C e ies
ay
- MATRONICS WEB
FORUMS -
List Contribution Web Site
p=3B
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| From: | "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: new site? why different? |
He's got a business model based on ad's and donations. I have no
problem with that, and am happy that someone has managed to make a
living doing what he's doing. Apparently, his business model doesn't
need the controversy of the EAA debate, and I understand that too,
although I figured it drove enough traffic that his advertisers would
benefit from the added visibility.
My only disappointment was that the information was removed from the
site very quickly, so I can't track down some of the individuals who
made insightful comments to have a discussion with them via e-mail or
PM. With even a day or two of notice, I could have made a few notes
about who I'd like to follow-up with.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:31 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: new site? why different?
I really don't get all this consternation over the VAF
site..............no secret what the rules are/were. Seems like many
posters here want to run DR out of business. If you don't want to pay
him don't but I don't get the begrudging.............and it seems odd to
me that so many begrudge his desire to have a donation (which apparently
you would never do) but you have so much "knowledge" about what is on
the site........so apparently you spend some time there. Maybe its time
to get some more fiber in your diet and/or start another kit to burn off
some energy. :)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: new site? why different? |
| From: | "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com> |
Not much to add, I just want to point out the luxury any of these lists offer.
I have started on a new project (Skybolt), this design has been around since
the late seventies (when I was starting kindergarten). I recently downloaded
a whole series of newsletters which were published about every month and chronicled
a single builders progress and opinions.
What a world we live in, back then the guys truly building airplanes from scratch
had very little information to work from. They also had very little opportunity
to ask questions of someone who had gone before. Remember this was back
in the days before wireless phones, not to mention cell phones. It was a time
when long distance calls were still a big deal. It was a time when the US mail
was the only way to share a picture across the country, let alone around the
world. By the way, we still communicated around the world using lines laid
on the bottom of the ocean.
All of those barriers are what made Oshkosh (not Airventure) such a valuable tool.
We complain about the content of Sport Aviation from time to time, I just
can't imagine how it must have been to wait with excitement each month to see
the magazine show up so I could read just a bit more on building an airplane.
Now I can get that fix while walking down the hallway on my iPhone if I choose.
Imagine the days before match drilled airplanes, and extraordinarily detailed factory
instructions backed up by a world of advice and opinion at your fingertips.
So take all of the occasional politics on any of these forums, the valid complaints
about censorship, and smile as you move onto the answer to a question you
came to find.
I cannot imagine what thirty years from now will look like for us poor builders
who were only able to communicate through the Internet. Hopefully we are still
able to enjoy this obsession.
Sorry for the editorial.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378492#378492
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| From: | "bcondrey" <condreyb(at)gmail.com> |
For those that are attending Airventure this year, we've set up in about the same
location as normal: just south of Lindbergh along 54th. You can see the RV-10
HQ signs from either 53rd or 54th and Lindbergh. This is immediately south
of Paul's Park and about a 5 minute walk southeast of Theater in the Woods if
you're looking at the large AirVenture map.
We've again got a "group" area with some picnic tables and shade. This is the
same location as where the dinner Ed Krantz is putting together will be Sunday
night. Feel free to swing by to say hi or just get some respite from the heat.
Susan brought the Bunn coffee maker again and we start making the magic elixer
at 7:30 sharp (as soon as generators can be started). If you're around at
that time of the morning there is plenty.
If you're unfamiliar with the area, easiest way to get here from the main AirVenture
grounds is through the Theater in the Woods gate (also a tram stop). Walk
west (right) on Shaick Ave, turn south (left) on Binder Lane, turn west (right
again) on Lindbergh and go to 54th. Look south and you'll see the RV-10 HQ
sign about 5-6 sites south.
Also a reminder that the RV-10 Pot Luck is Sunday night for builders (and wanna
be builders). Not sure yet if/when there will be other group dinners next week.
Bob
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378550#378550
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| Subject: | RV10 Pot Luck Dinner: Sunday, July 22, 7:30PM |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
We're set on the time, date, and place for the RV10 HQ Pot Luck dinner.
When:
Sunday, July 22nd
7:30 PM
Location:
RV10HQ in Camp Scholler
Between 53rd and 54th street a few sites south of Lindbergh (there will be
signs for "RV10 Builders" visible from Lindbergh)
How to get there:
If you're unfamiliar with the area, easiest way to get here from the main
AirVenture grounds is through the Theater in the Woods gate (also a tram
stop). Walk west (right) on Shaick Ave, turn south (left) on Binder Lane,
turn west (right again) on Lindbergh and go to 54th. Look south and you'll
see the RV-10 Builders sign about 5-6 sites south.
PLEASE sign up at http://www.perfectpotluck.com/meals.php?t=AKIL0864 or
send me an email letting me know how many people you are bringing, and what
you are bringing (food or cash)
See you Sunday
Ed Kranz
651-248-five six se7en five
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| Subject: | Oshkosh trailer for rent - available as early as this Friday. |
| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
I was talking to Wrights RV rental today (I was sort of talking to two different
rental companies and did not notice until today) and they have a 26' trailer
with a queen bed and bunks available for Oshkosh.
They are charging $957.75 for the week. This is the best deal out there and I would
switch but my contract will not allow it.
You can call them at 715-325-5351 or e-mail at bob5351(at)wctc.net
-Scott
Sent from my iPad
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Thinking of selling RV-10 kit |
| From: | "jrdalton" <jrdalton(at)comcast.net> |
Friends,
I have been following the RV-10 lists for years and ordered my own tail kit a
few years back. I completed the tail and started on the wing kit.
In the meantime my business has really taken off and I have not been able to build
for over a year. On top of that I've lost my medical and am not sure I can
get it back.
So I have a fully built and primed Emp kit and a wing kit with the spars all assembled
with ribs riveted and bolted for sale.
I would also consider including tools, supplies (like fuel tank test kit, etc)
as part of the deal.
The aircraft is in southeastern Michigan, and would have to be a pickup.
The workmanship is good and and has been reviewed by an EAA technical guy several
times along the way. Parts have all been stored in safe, dry storage and everything
is sorted and labeled.
If your interested I can provide photos.
Please contact me at jrdalton(at)comcast.net
Thanks,
Jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378669#378669
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Thinking of selling RV-10 kit |
| From: | Jason Wodack <psychobob96(at)gmail.com> |
Jeff,
I'm definitely interested. Where is the kit located and what is your
asking price?
Jason
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:16 PM, jrdalton wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> I have been following the RV-10 lists for years and ordered my own tail
> kit a few years back. I completed the tail and started on the wing kit.
>
> In the meantime my business has really taken off and I have not been able
> to build for over a year. On top of that I've lost my medical and am not
> sure I can get it back.
>
> So I have a fully built and primed Emp kit and a wing kit with the spars
> all assembled with ribs riveted and bolted for sale.
>
> I would also consider including tools, supplies (like fuel tank test kit,
> etc) as part of the deal.
>
> The aircraft is in southeastern Michigan, and would have to be a pickup.
>
> The workmanship is good and and has been reviewed by an EAA technical guy
> several times along the way. Parts have all been stored in safe, dry
> storage and everything is sorted and labeled.
>
> If your interested I can provide photos.
>
> Please contact me at jrdalton(at)comcast.net
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378669#378669
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: new site? why different? |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
Someone directed me to this thread. I started my site as an alternative. I expect
people will use both sites, but my philosophy is different, and is reflected
in the site "rules", or lack thereof. I was asked if I would delete the thread
about EAA that has started. I will not. My only favor that I have consistently
asked users is to register. Advertisers look at that. My site has tens
of thousands of unregistered users each month. Do me a favor and register
with at least a first name and location. I hope you enjoy the site and use it
to it's full benefit to you. Tailwinds, Glenn Brasch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378794#378794
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
I don't want to clog the airwaves this close to AirVenture, after all we
all should be talking about airplanes and making plans meeting on the field.
Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably do
between now and the time AirVenture closes. My concern is that the several
folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High Noon' duel
on main street. We've collected enough proxy votes in 2 weeks to make a
reasonable statement and express our concerns. We can do it in a
respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond. I'm hopeful they
will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that allow all EAA
members to participate in elections.
For those of you who would like to know what statement we're trying to
make, you can find the message I posted on the EAA forums below. It
summarizes the campaign exactly.
Lets go have some to Oshkosh and have some fun. Hopefully Saturday's
meeting is just a short 1 hour detour to get the members voices formally
documented on paper at the meeting.
See you in a few days,
Phil
=======================
Hi Everyone,
I am the individual who volunteered to represent the group of VAF members
initially, as well as anyone else who would like to participate in the
election this year. This thread was brought to my attention by a friend of
mine, so I apologize for not joining in earlier.
FloridaJohn did a really nice job of providing the complete
history<http://eaaforums.org/showthread.php?1554-EAA-Direction-%28split-from-website-feedback-thread%29&p=19539&viewfull=1#post19539>up
to this point. He also identified the turning point that riled up the
VAF members and that is simply the ability to participate in an election.
There are a number of policy issues that are debatable among EAA members.
Some of those are even embedded in this thread such as the 20 year
requirement. The thing about policy is that it can be debated until the sun
goes down and no one will ever win the discussion. There are reasonable
merits on both sides of any policy debate and those are better left in the
hands of the Board of Directors. The reality is that we, as EAA members,
simply can't write (or re-write) policy in a way that is convenient to each
of us.
However, as members of the organization, we all (well almost all - you have
to be 18 years old) have the right to participate in the election of the
Board of Directors. So it's our responsibility as members, both satisfied
and dissatisfied, to elect board members that we believe will best serve
our needs as members of the organization. Any policy decision can be
debated publicly but it can (and should) only be made by the BOD members
that we elect to represent us.
Today, EAA members have 3 choices to participate in the election:
1) They can simply not participate; or
2) They can assign their vote to the leadership team of EAA; or
3) They can show up in person and vote for the specific candidates they
believe best represent their interests.
The fourth option is missing and that is simply allowing all EAA members
(who can't attend in person) an opportunity to cast their own voting
ballots electronically.
I will attempt to put it in the simplest terms....... If an EAA member's
vote is valuable enough to assign to the leadership team, or if a member's
vote is valuable enough to be counted when they attend the meeting in
person, then *ALL* member's votes are of equal value and should be
accounted for at the time of election.
I should stop right here and not put blame on Mr. Hightower for this
either. This hole in the voting membership is something that pre-dates his
arrival at the helm of EAA. He should, however, be made aware of the
inequity of votes that does currently exist. No EAA member's vote should
count more than any other member's vote, and today there is discrimination
between members who can attend in person and those who can not.
To ease the minds of many of you, we aren't going to have enough proxy
signatures to impact this election in any way, shape, or form. However we
will have enough signatures to express concern about these inequities and
shine a spotlight on a key issue that all EAA members should be concerned
with.
With regards to the proxy forms, you should know that this isn't a great
position to be put in. However I know it's the right thing to do and I
promised my peer EAA members that I would represent them at the annual
meeting. I'm a man of my word and will represent them in a reasonable and
professional manner. I am hopeful that others who choose to attend the
meeting will do so in a respectful manner too.
On a side note, none of you should let this collection of proxy forms
overshadow your time at AirVenture. AirVenture is our event. It is our
opportunity to meet other members, to make new friends, to learn about the
latest developments in aviation. As birds of a feather, it is our
opportunity to flock together and we are fortunate to have such a terrific
place to do it. The business meeting on Saturday isn't the highlight of the
show and it shouldn't be something everyone is focusing their eyes on. So
go, have fun, relax, and be a kid for a week. I'm planning on enjoying
myself catching up with old friends, making new ones, and hanging out with
airplanes.
Hopefully that explains what the proxy collection effort is about and how
we're campaigning to bring all EAA members the freedom to participate in a
truly democratic election.
Thanks,
Phil
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
Someone directed me to this thread. I started my site as an alternative. I expect
people will use both sites, but my philosophy is different, and is reflected
in the site "rules", or lack thereof. I was asked if I would delete the thread
about EAA that has started. I will not. My only favor that I have consistently
asked users is to register. Advertisers look at that. My site has tens of
thousands of unregistered users each month. Do me a favor and register with at
least a first name and location. I hope you enjoy the site and use it to it's
full benefit to you. Tailwinds, Glenn Brasch RVairspace.com
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360
1953 Piper Tri-Pacer
A-Star Medevac Driver
Tucson, Arizona
www.RVairspace.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378800#378800
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action! |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
Glenn. THANK YOU.
John Cox 40600.
On Jul 20, 2012 9:44 AM, "gbrasch" wrote:
>
> Someone directed me to this thread. I started my site as an alternative. I
> expect people will use both sites, but my philosophy is different, and is
> reflected in the site "rules", or lack thereof. I was asked if I would
> delete the thread about EAA that has started. I will not. My only favor
> that I have consistently asked users is to register. Advertisers look at
> that. My site has tens of thousands of unregistered users each month. Do me
> a favor and register with at least a first name and location. I hope you
> enjoy the site and use it to it's full benefit to you. Tailwinds, Glenn
> Brasch RVairspace.com
>
> --------
> Glenn Brasch
> RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360
> 1953 Piper Tri-Pacer
> A-Star Medevac Driver
> Tucson, Arizona
>
> www.RVairspace.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378800#378800
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Proxy Stuff.. |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
Heading to The Big Show with my Lifetime member proxy for you.
Johnny Horizon
On Jul 20, 2012 8:24 AM, "Phillip Perry" wrote:
> I don't want to clog the airwaves this close to AirVenture, after all we
> all should be talking about airplanes and making plans meeting on the fie
ld.
>
> Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably do
> between now and the time AirVenture closes. My concern is that the sever
al
> folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High Noon' duel
> on main street. We've collected enough proxy votes in 2 weeks to make a
> reasonable statement and express our concerns. We can do it in a
> respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond. I'm hopeful they
> will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that allow all EAA
> members to participate in elections.
>
> For those of you who would like to know what statement we're trying to
> make, you can find the message I posted on the EAA forums below. It
> summarizes the campaign exactly.
>
> Lets go have some to Oshkosh and have some fun. Hopefully Saturday's
> meeting is just a short 1 hour detour to get the members voices formally
> documented on paper at the meeting.
>
> See you in a few days,
> Phil
>
>
> =======================
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am the individual who volunteered to represent the group of VAF members
> initially, as well as anyone else who would like to participate in the
> election this year. This thread was brought to my attention by a friend o
f
> mine, so I apologize for not joining in earlier.
>
> FloridaJohn did a really nice job of providing the complete historyup to this point. He also
identified the turning point that riled up the
> VAF members and that is simply the ability to participate in an election.
>
> There are a number of policy issues that are debatable among EAA members.
> Some of those are even embedded in this thread such as the 20 year
> requirement. The thing about policy is that it can be debated until the s
un
> goes down and no one will ever win the discussion. There are reasonable
> merits on both sides of any policy debate and those are better left in th
e
> hands of the Board of Directors. The reality is that we, as EAA members,
> simply can't write (or re-write) policy in a way that is convenient to ea
ch
> of us.
>
> However, as members of the organization, we all (well almost all - you
> have to be 18 years old) have the right to participate in the election of
> the Board of Directors. So it's our responsibility as members, both
> satisfied and dissatisfied, to elect board members that we believe will
> best serve our needs as members of the organization. Any policy decision
> can be debated publicly but it can (and should) only be made by the BOD
> members that we elect to represent us.
>
> Today, EAA members have 3 choices to participate in the election:
> 1) They can simply not participate; or
> 2) They can assign their vote to the leadership team of EAA; or
> 3) They can show up in person and vote for the specific candidates they
> believe best represent their interests.
>
> The fourth option is missing and that is simply allowing all EAA members
> (who can't attend in person) an opportunity to cast their own voting
> ballots electronically.
>
> I will attempt to put it in the simplest terms....... If an EAA member's
> vote is valuable enough to assign to the leadership team, or if a member'
s
> vote is valuable enough to be counted when they attend the meeting in
> person, then *ALL* member's votes are of equal value and should be
> accounted for at the time of election.
>
> I should stop right here and not put blame on Mr. Hightower for this
> either. This hole in the voting membership is something that pre-dates hi
s
> arrival at the helm of EAA. He should, however, be made aware of the
> inequity of votes that does currently exist. No EAA member's vote should
> count more than any other member's vote, and today there is discriminatio
n
> between members who can attend in person and those who can not.
>
> To ease the minds of many of you, we aren't going to have enough proxy
> signatures to impact this election in any way, shape, or form. However we
> will have enough signatures to express concern about these inequities and
> shine a spotlight on a key issue that all EAA members should be concerned
> with.
>
> With regards to the proxy forms, you should know that this isn't a great
> position to be put in. However I know it's the right thing to do and I
> promised my peer EAA members that I would represent them at the annual
> meeting. I'm a man of my word and will represent them in a reasonable and
> professional manner. I am hopeful that others who choose to attend the
> meeting will do so in a respectful manner too.
>
> On a side note, none of you should let this collection of proxy forms
> overshadow your time at AirVenture. AirVenture is our event. It is our
> opportunity to meet other members, to make new friends, to learn about th
e
> latest developments in aviation. As birds of a feather, it is our
> opportunity to flock together and we are fortunate to have such a terrifi
c
> place to do it. The business meeting on Saturday isn't the highlight of t
he
> show and it shouldn't be something everyone is focusing their eyes on. So
> go, have fun, relax, and be a kid for a week. I'm planning on enjoying
> myself catching up with old friends, making new ones, and hanging out wit
h
> airplanes.
>
> Hopefully that explains what the proxy collection effort is about and how
> we're campaigning to bring all EAA members the freedom to participate in
a
> truly democratic election.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen(at)cox.net> |
The Coming Battle for the Heart of the EAA - by Doug Kelly
In recent weeks, I have become aware of strong and widespread feelings of
concern for the future of our national organization. A minimal amount of
investigation disclosed that these sentiments are being expressed by a
rapidly increasing number of members, particularly in the homebuilding,
vintage and volunteer communities. It is an issue that apparently is
emerging all across the nation and is evoking an organized response. An
initial effort will be made to generate a protest via proxy votes cast at
the annual membership meeting at AirVenture 2012. Likely this will be only
an opening salvo in a longer dispute.
While probably symbolic at first, this action is an important effort to
alert the EAA Board of Directors to the depth of dissatisfaction with new
directions and priorities as expressed in publications, and by sudden
changes to a previously loyal staff.
In my view, this is a crisis a long time in the making. The stage has been
set because there never has been a solid structural mechanism for member
representation in the EAA. After Paul's early and deft leadership, which was
based largely on his personal touch, Tom led the organization in the
direction of emphasis on show, spectacle, and commercial visibility.
Gradually the Board became dominated by corporate interests and big-time
fund raising prospects. As a result, AirVenture's success each year now
accounts for at least one third of the annual budget. Donations (ostensibly
to support educational programs) account for at least another third.
Person-power to actually make AirVenture run is largely dependent on a
graying and, surprisingly, less happy volunteer corps. AirVenture has become
an international extravaganza and cash cow that succeeds in wowing the
public and commercial interests but is far more fragile than is generally
recognized.
The Board has struggled (1) to define itself appropriately, and (2) to
locate a successor to Tom. To my way of thinking, it has not succeeded in
either challenge.
I watched for a decade as each year the annual membership meeting was
attended by an ever smaller handful of members, and one or two sought
bravely to utilize the "election" system, hoping to become members of the
Board. Their efforts were almost always effectively thwarted by selection
practices within the existing board structure so that very few who truly
represented member interests survived the ritual. In truth, I know of only
one or two examples of success. The various Councils (including the one on
which I served as chairman) give the illusion of member representation but
are, in fact, appointed and now mostly tasked with volunteer functions to
help make AirVenture run. Their chairpersons are nominal board members but
limited essentially to observer status. There is no structure to assure that
the traditional purposes of EAA have a voice in its future (namely
homebuilding, restoration, craftsmanship, and above all, safe practices in
construction, maintenance and operation of recreational aircraft). Thus, the
balance of power has been swung largely toward achieving commercial success
rather than promoting educational/recreational goals. Our hobby is being
screwed over.
Thus, we have come to the point where the EAA Board and its executive and
selection committees have now provided us EAA members with a new leader who
apparently has little regard for the roots of our organization or the wisdom
to weave them into the future. The bottom line is the bottom line and the
member is the market. He refers to our avocation as "our industry" and
anticipates our loyalty. Please!
The movement to gain input via a proxy procedure has little chance of
success this year, but it is very important for the powers that be to get a
message that this is, after all, a nonprofit organization dedicated to the
proper education of its members. I, for one, strongly object to the sudden
and arbitrary shifts in policy, publication and staffing that have changed
the focus from the unique and traditional to the mundane, spectacular and
commercially profitable. I hope you agree.
You can help by supporting the proxy effort this year. If you attend
AirVenture, you can obtain a proxy form at the Cleaveland Tool exhibit
(assuming you didn't surrender your proxy option when you renewed your
membership). More importantly, do continue your membership so as to be able
to help the movement as it grows in the next year or two. This isn't a quick
and dirty venture.
Doug Kelly
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Copy of memo |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net> |
Well put. Another thing we can do to help send the message is to become members
of the Sport Aviation Association (SAA). I suggest that membership should be
"in addition to" and not "in lieu of" your EAA membership, at least for the
time being. I've attached a copy of the SAA flyer that was in my EAA Chapter's
July newsletter that has all the details for those that are interested.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378817#378817
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/saa_148.docx
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | The most important thread yet... |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
For those of you taking to the air over the next 48 hours.... Stay safe.
We'd like to have a good time once we're there and we're looking forward to
having a good time with you.
Respectfully,
The RV-10 crowd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Proxy Stuff.. |
On 7/20/2012 11:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably
> do between now and the time AirVenture closes. My concern is that the
> several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High
> Noon' duel on main street. We've collected enough proxy votes in 2
> weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns. We can
> do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond. I'm
> hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that
> allow all EAA members to participate in elections.
I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meeting and, I agree. It works
best if things stay cordial.
Earlier this week I spent quite a while writing a long email describing
the changes the board has been undergoing for the past few years. We
elected to downsize from over 50 to 25 or less. 18 elected members and
room for 7 class III directors (appointed by the board for 1 year
terms). We have also talked about adding transparency to the proxy
process and to changing the board nomination process. My purpose was
two-fold. One to let you know that your concerns with the proxy process
are not new and that some of us also want to see changes. And second to
attempt to preempt future cries along the line of "See, we showed up at
the meeting with our proxies and now the board is making changes to
thwart us next year!" I don't know, yet, if there will be process
changes next year but I did want you to know that redefining the board
is an ongoing project.
Unfortunately, I sent the email from the wrong address without saving a
copy and the matronics server bounced it without actually sending the
whole thing back to me. And I've been too busy this week to write it again.
I also wrote that I found the current list of directors. It's at
www.oshkosh365.org -> EAA Members Only -> Member Resources in the
Membership section. I personally believe the board minutes should be
there as well. They've had a lot of web site problems so I think that's
more of an oversight than an active attempt to hide things. EAA finally
has an IT director who knows what he's doing and IT has been improving
greatly since he came on board. I believe we're going to see a
wholescale revamp of the EAA web presence and I will ask that the
minutes be included.
Finally I had included some history of each of the board incumbents
since you had complained that you had no basis to vote for any of them.
I don't have time to rewrite all that but I would like to point out that
Barry Davis was only elected 3 years ago. He founded the EAA Chapter in
Carollton, GA and is very active in it. He was part of a group that
scratchbuilt 6 identical Pietenpols (2 of which got balled up in the
tornado at Sun 'n Fun--they rebuilding them) and is currently finishing
a ground-up restoration of his 1957 Cessna 172. In short, he's part of
that fresh-vision homebuilder stock you were looking for.
Just as reference, below I've attached a copy of an email I sent to Tom
in January, 2011 talking about the board restructuring.
Safe travels everyone. See you at AirVenture!
--Rick
------------------------------------------------
On 01/07/2011 10:30 AM, Tom Poberezny wrote:
> - Attached you will find a current list of directors. Note
> behind the Director name is the date each Director planned to retire or
> if they were going to serve long term (3 years or more). This was based
> on the conversations I had with each Board member in 2008. As a result
> of those interviews, these dates were developed in an effort to reduce
> the size of the Board (25 or less), a goal approved by the Board. The
> plan was to reach this size by the end of 2011. Please verify if the
> date indicated is correct.
It is. I'd like to serve at least one more 3 year term.
> - There have been thoughts expressed by some Directors as to
> whether or not we should continue to downsize the Board to 25
> Directors. Please provide your opinion.
If we take the division/council chairs out, we're at 24 now. I believe
our goal was 3 groups of 6 elected directors and that this year is the
final group. So we're nearly there anyway. We have some "extra"
directors because some of us got converted to class 3. Based on your
spreadsheet it seems like quite a few directors are not planning on
running next year so that gives us an opportunity to get to the goal
without getting rid of people we'd like to keep.
At any rate, I'm ambivalent about whether the count is 6 or 7 per year.
Many people will say a board shouldn't be larger than 8 or 9 but I'm not
sure we could adequately represent our diverse membership with that
small a board.
> - I am also asking each Director to share their thoughts
> regarding what you feel are the 2 - 3 key Governance priorities that
> need to be addressed.
The board downsizing combined with building a relationship with a new
president gives us a great opportunity to re-evaluate how the board
works. I don't think the board is broken, but I think it could be doing
better. Ie let's look at Board Development. FWIW I've recently become a
fan of John Carver's Policy-Governance Board model.
I also think it's a good time to take a look at the entire nominating &
election process to increase transparency and to make sure we have a mix
of directors that fairly represent the membership and have the skills we
really need in a board. That may include a proxy where the members get
to choose specific candidates. It may include an active nominating
committee that recruits candidates and doing away with self-nomination.
It may include term limits. I'm open to discussions about all three.
In short, I'm looking forward to seeing what your Board Governance plan
looks like.
Happy New Year!
--Rick
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Proxy Stuff.. |
| From: | Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Rick,
Thanks for the feedback. That's a breath of fresh air.
I will send you my cell information in a separate message and we should at least
spend a few minutes talking at AV before Saturday.
I'm currently at the doctors office with my son and will send the info when I get
back to be house.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Beebe wrote:
>
> On 7/20/2012 11:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>> Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably
>> do between now and the time AirVenture closes. My concern is that the
>> several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High
>> Noon' duel on main street. We've collected enough proxy votes in 2
>> weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns. We can
>> do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond. I'm
>> hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that
>> allow all EAA members to participate in elections.
>
> I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meeting and, I agree. It works best
if things stay cordial.
>
> Earlier this week I spent quite a while writing a long email describing the changes
the board has been undergoing for the past few years. We elected to downsize
from over 50 to 25 or less. 18 elected members and room for 7 class III
directors (appointed by the board for 1 year terms). We have also talked about
adding transparency to the proxy process and to changing the board nomination
process. My purpose was two-fold. One to let you know that your concerns with
the proxy process are not new and that some of us also want to see changes. And
second to attempt to preempt future cries along the line of "See, we showed
up at the meeting with our proxies and now the board is making changes to thwart
us next year!" I don't know, yet, if there will be process changes next year
but I did want you to know that redefining the board is an ongoing project.
>
> Unfortunately, I sent the email from the wrong address without saving a copy
and the matronics server bounced it without actually sending the whole thing back
to me. And I've been too busy this week to write it again.
>
> I also wrote that I found the current list of directors. It's at www.oshkosh365.org -> EAA Members Only -> Member Resources in the Membership section. I personally believe the board minutes should be there as well. They've had a lot of web site problems so I think that's more of an oversight than an active attempt to hide things. EAA finally has an IT director who knows what he's doing and IT has been improving greatly since he came on board. I believe we're going to see a wholescale revamp of the EAA web presence and I will ask that the minutes be included.
>
> Finally I had included some history of each of the board incumbents since you
had complained that you had no basis to vote for any of them. I don't have time
to rewrite all that but I would like to point out that Barry Davis was only
elected 3 years ago. He founded the EAA Chapter in Carollton, GA and is very
active in it. He was part of a group that scratchbuilt 6 identical Pietenpols
(2 of which got balled up in the tornado at Sun 'n Fun--they rebuilding them)
and is currently finishing a ground-up restoration of his 1957 Cessna 172. In
short, he's part of that fresh-vision homebuilder stock you were looking for.
>
> Just as reference, below I've attached a copy of an email I sent to Tom in January,
2011 talking about the board restructuring.
>
> Safe travels everyone. See you at AirVenture!
>
> --Rick
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> On 01/07/2011 10:30 AM, Tom Poberezny wrote:
> > - Attached you will find a current list of directors. Note
> > behind the Director name is the date each Director planned to retire or
> > if they were going to serve long term (3 years or more). This was based
> > on the conversations I had with each Board member in 2008. As a result
> > of those interviews, these dates were developed in an effort to reduce
> > the size of the Board (25 or less), a goal approved by the Board. The
> > plan was to reach this size by the end of 2011. Please verify if the
> > date indicated is correct.
>
> It is. I'd like to serve at least one more 3 year term.
>
> > - There have been thoughts expressed by some Directors as to
> > whether or not we should continue to downsize the Board to 25
> > Directors. Please provide your opinion.
>
> If we take the division/council chairs out, we're at 24 now. I believe
> our goal was 3 groups of 6 elected directors and that this year is the
> final group. So we're nearly there anyway. We have some "extra"
> directors because some of us got converted to class 3. Based on your
> spreadsheet it seems like quite a few directors are not planning on
> running next year so that gives us an opportunity to get to the goal
> without getting rid of people we'd like to keep.
>
> At any rate, I'm ambivalent about whether the count is 6 or 7 per year.
> Many people will say a board shouldn't be larger than 8 or 9 but I'm not
> sure we could adequately represent our diverse membership with that
> small a board.
>
> > - I am also asking each Director to share their thoughts
> > regarding what you feel are the 2 - 3 key Governance priorities that
> > need to be addressed.
>
> The board downsizing combined with building a relationship with a new
> president gives us a great opportunity to re-evaluate how the board
> works. I don't think the board is broken, but I think it could be doing
> better. Ie let's look at Board Development. FWIW I've recently become a
> fan of John Carver's Policy-Governance Board model.
>
> I also think it's a good time to take a look at the entire nominating &
> election process to increase transparency and to make sure we have a mix
> of directors that fairly represent the membership and have the skills we
> really need in a board. That may include a proxy where the members get
> to choose specific candidates. It may include an active nominating
> committee that recruits candidates and doing away with self-nomination.
> It may include term limits. I'm open to discussions about all three.
>
> In short, I'm looking forward to seeing what your Board Governance plan
> looks like.
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> --Rick
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Proxy Stuff.. |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Rick is one of the good guys, active on the Piper list that I administrate,
has a Cherokee(had?) that was up for sale last I recall.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Phil Perry wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. That's a breath of fresh air.
>
> I will send you my cell information in a separate message and we should at
> least spend a few minutes talking at AV before Saturday.
>
> I'm currently at the doctors office with my son and will send the info
> when I get back to be house.
>
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Beebe wrote:
>
> >
> > On 7/20/2012 11:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> >> Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably
> >> do between now and the time AirVenture closes. My concern is that the
> >> several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High
> >> Noon' duel on main street. We've collected enough proxy votes in 2
> >> weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns. We can
> >> do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond. I'm
> >> hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that
> >> allow all EAA members to participate in elections.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meeting and, I agree. It works
> best if things stay cordial.
> >
> > Earlier this week I spent quite a while writing a long email describing
> the changes the board has been undergoing for the past few years. We
> elected to downsize from over 50 to 25 or less. 18 elected members and room
> for 7 class III directors (appointed by the board for 1 year terms). We
> have also talked about adding transparency to the proxy process and to
> changing the board nomination process. My purpose was two-fold. One to let
> you know that your concerns with the proxy process are not new and that
> some of us also want to see changes. And second to attempt to preempt
> future cries along the line of "See, we showed up at the meeting with our
> proxies and now the board is making changes to thwart us next year!" I
> don't know, yet, if there will be process changes next year but I did want
> you to know that redefining the board is an ongoing project.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I sent the email from the wrong address without saving a
> copy and the matronics server bounced it without actually sending the whole
> thing back to me. And I've been too busy this week to write it again.
> >
> > I also wrote that I found the current list of directors. It's at
> www.oshkosh365.org -> EAA Members Only -> Member Resources in the
> Membership section. I personally believe the board minutes should be there
> as well. They've had a lot of web site problems so I think that's more of
> an oversight than an active attempt to hide things. EAA finally has an IT
> director who knows what he's doing and IT has been improving greatly since
> he came on board. I believe we're going to see a wholescale revamp of the
> EAA web presence and I will ask that the minutes be included.
> >
> > Finally I had included some history of each of the board incumbents
> since you had complained that you had no basis to vote for any of them. I
> don't have time to rewrite all that but I would like to point out that
> Barry Davis was only elected 3 years ago. He founded the EAA Chapter in
> Carollton, GA and is very active in it. He was part of a group that
> scratchbuilt 6 identical Pietenpols (2 of which got balled up in the
> tornado at Sun 'n Fun--they rebuilding them) and is currently finishing a
> ground-up restoration of his 1957 Cessna 172. In short, he's part of that
> fresh-vision homebuilder stock you were looking for.
> >
> > Just as reference, below I've attached a copy of an email I sent to Tom
> in January, 2011 talking about the board restructuring.
> >
> > Safe travels everyone. See you at AirVenture!
> >
> > --Rick
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > On 01/07/2011 10:30 AM, Tom Poberezny wrote:
> > > - Attached you will find a current list of directors. Note
> > > behind the Director name is the date each Director planned to retire or
> > > if they were going to serve long term (3 years or more). This was based
> > > on the conversations I had with each Board member in 2008. As a result
> > > of those interviews, these dates were developed in an effort to reduce
> > > the size of the Board (25 or less), a goal approved by the Board. The
> > > plan was to reach this size by the end of 2011. Please verify if the
> > > date indicated is correct.
> >
> > It is. I'd like to serve at least one more 3 year term.
> >
> > > - There have been thoughts expressed by some Directors as to
> > > whether or not we should continue to downsize the Board to 25
> > > Directors. Please provide your opinion.
> >
> > If we take the division/council chairs out, we're at 24 now. I believe
> > our goal was 3 groups of 6 elected directors and that this year is the
> > final group. So we're nearly there anyway. We have some "extra"
> > directors because some of us got converted to class 3. Based on your
> > spreadsheet it seems like quite a few directors are not planning on
> > running next year so that gives us an opportunity to get to the goal
> > without getting rid of people we'd like to keep.
> >
> > At any rate, I'm ambivalent about whether the count is 6 or 7 per year.
> > Many people will say a board shouldn't be larger than 8 or 9 but I'm not
> > sure we could adequately represent our diverse membership with that
> > small a board.
> >
> > > - I am also asking each Director to share their thoughts
> > > regarding what you feel are the 2 - 3 key Governance priorities that
> > > need to be addressed.
> >
> > The board downsizing combined with building a relationship with a new
> > president gives us a great opportunity to re-evaluate how the board
> > works. I don't think the board is broken, but I think it could be doing
> > better. Ie let's look at Board Development. FWIW I've recently become a
> > fan of John Carver's Policy-Governance Board model.
> >
> > I also think it's a good time to take a look at the entire nominating &
> > election process to increase transparency and to make sure we have a mix
> > of directors that fairly represent the membership and have the skills we
> > really need in a board. That may include a proxy where the members get
> > to choose specific candidates. It may include an active nominating
> > committee that recruits candidates and doing away with self-nomination.
> > It may include term limits. I'm open to discussions about all three.
> >
> > In short, I'm looking forward to seeing what your Board Governance plan
> > looks like.
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > --Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Proxy Stuff.. |
Still have. I have a couple people nibbling but no one has bit yet.
--Rick
On 7/21/2012 3:33 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Rick is one of the good guys, active on the Piper list that I
> administrate, has a Cherokee(had?) that was up for sale last I recall.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | Logbook software |
What is everyone using for pilot or other logbook software? I'm thinking about
moving more electronic and have been looking at the usual suspects like LogTen
and Zululog.
Michael
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Logbook software |
I have only used Logbook Pro for last ~8 years. Works for me but I have NO idea
what is available now and if I were to start over I would look for something
cloud based as long as you can export YOUR data back to your local computer if
needed.
Michael what EFIS are you using?
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sausen
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Logbook software
What is everyone using for pilot or other logbook software? I'm thinking about
moving more electronic and have been looking at the usual suspects like LogTen
and Zululog.
Michael
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I use Excel as a backup to a written logbook because I started a long time ago
and don't want to transcribe a lot of data.
It is handy at insurance renewal time when they ask "total time, time in type,
total time last year, time in type last year, time last 90 days, ...."
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378889#378889
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
Thanks Robin, I have AFS 4500's. I was just looking at Logbook Pro and it looks
like they have an app for pretty much everything in addition to the desktop.
I like the look of LogTen but no web or desktop app for PC so that's probably
out.
Michael
On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:05 PM, "Robin Marks" wrote:
>
> I have only used Logbook Pro for last ~8 years. Works for me but I have NO idea
what is available now and if I were to start over I would look for something
cloud based as long as you can export YOUR data back to your local computer
if needed.
>
> Michael what EFIS are you using?
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sausen
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:48 PM
> To: RV-10 List
> Subject: RV10-List: Logbook software
>
>
> What is everyone using for pilot or other logbook software? I'm thinking about
moving more electronic and have been looking at the usual suspects like LogTen
and Zululog.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
I use excel for a logbook and only log flight reviews or training time or anything
that requires a signature in my hardcover log.
Tim
On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:08 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
>
> I use Excel as a backup to a written logbook because I started a long time ago
and don't want to transcribe a lot of data.
>
> It is handy at insurance renewal time when they ask "total time, time in type,
total time last year, time in type last year, time last 90 days, ...."
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378889#378889
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Sausen <michael(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
Back in the early '90s I made an Access program for a logbook as a way to run
reports and always know where I was with currency. It was a lot of work and I
spent many hours entering in all of the info from my logbook. When I changed
careers I let that lapse so I'm basically paper based again.
Michael
On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:16 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
>
> I use Excel as a backup to a written logbook because I started a long time ago
and don't want to transcribe a lot of data.
>
> It is handy at insurance renewal time when they ask "total time, time in type,
total time last year, time in type last year, time last 90 days, ...."
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378889#378889
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
I've been using For Pilots Logbook at www.forpilots.com
shareware, simple, easy to customize. No idea if it works on non-windoze
platforms.
On 7/21/2012 5:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for pilot or other logbook software? I'm thinking
about moving more electronic and have been looking at the usual suspects like
LogTen and Zululog.
>
> Michael
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
I use a spreadsheet and print the pages with a space at the bottom of each
for BFR signoffs and such.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> I use Excel as a backup to a written logbook because I started a long time
> ago and don't want to transcribe a lot of data.
>
> It is handy at insurance renewal time when they ask "total time, time in
> type, total time last year, time in type last year, time last 90 days, ...."
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378889#378889
>
>
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| Subject: | synergy air Wally Anderson |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
I just wanted to thank Wally Anderson publicly for his help when my RV10 wa
s broken down in Eugene, Oregon. I first started building the RV 10 with Wa
lly's h.
I just wanted to publicly thank Wally Anderson of Synergy Air in Eugene, Or
egon for all of his help when my RV 10 was broken down in Eugene. I first s
tarted building my RV10 under Wally's tutilage in 2005. He is the same very
helpful individual as he has always been. I highly recommend his team's se
rvices when contemplating an RV build.
Thanks,
PilotDDS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: synergy air Wally Anderson |
Wally's a great guy. All my experiences with him have been great.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 6:55 PM, pilotdds wrote:
> I just wanted to thank Wally Anderson publicly for his help when my RV10
> was broken down in Eugene, Oregon. I first started building the RV 10 with
> Wally's h.
>
>
> I just wanted to publicly thank Wally Anderson of Synergy Air in Eugene,
> Oregon for all of his help when my RV 10 was broken down in Eugene. I first
> started building my RV10 under Wally's tutilage in 2005. He is the same
> very helpful individual as he has always been. I highly recommend his
> team's services when contemplating an RV build.
> Thanks,
> PilotDDS
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
We arrived at OSH this afternoon. We had 10.5 on the Hobbs from KWVI with
4 stops. We're staying at the dorms (air conditioned !?!) for the weekend,
then we pick up our motorhome and should be very close to RV10 HQ.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Proxy Stuff.. |
| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Phil; so when I get my admission on Monday am, I also need to renew my
membership. I will certainly go to Cleveland Tools to get my proxy vote,
but do I need to ask anything at the gate Monday when I renew to prevent
the proxy vote getting asigned to the EAA administration?
Thx, Rick
40956
Southampton, Ont
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Phil Perry wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. That's a breath of fresh air.
>
> I will send you my cell information in a separate message and we should at
> least spend a few minutes talking at AV before Saturday.
>
> I'm currently at the doctors office with my son and will send the info
> when I get back to be house.
>
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Beebe wrote:
>
> >
> > On 7/20/2012 11:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> >> Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably
> >> do between now and the time AirVenture closes. My concern is that the
> >> several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High
> >> Noon' duel on main street. We've collected enough proxy votes in 2
> >> weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns. We can
> >> do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond. I'm
> >> hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that
> >> allow all EAA members to participate in elections.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meeting and, I agree. It works
> best if things stay cordial.
> >
> > Earlier this week I spent quite a while writing a long email describing
> the changes the board has been undergoing for the past few years. We
> elected to downsize from over 50 to 25 or less. 18 elected members and room
> for 7 class III directors (appointed by the board for 1 year terms). We
> have also talked about adding transparency to the proxy process and to
> changing the board nomination process. My purpose was two-fold. One to let
> you know that your concerns with the proxy process are not new and that
> some of us also want to see changes. And second to attempt to preempt
> future cries along the line of "See, we showed up at the meeting with our
> proxies and now the board is making changes to thwart us next year!" I
> don't know, yet, if there will be process changes next year but I did want
> you to know that redefining the board is an ongoing project.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I sent the email from the wrong address without saving a
> copy and the matronics server bounced it without actually sending the whole
> thing back to me. And I've been too busy this week to write it again.
> >
> > I also wrote that I found the current list of directors. It's at
> www.oshkosh365.org -> EAA Members Only -> Member Resources in the
> Membership section. I personally believe the board minutes should be there
> as well. They've had a lot of web site problems so I think that's more of
> an oversight than an active attempt to hide things. EAA finally has an IT
> director who knows what he's doing and IT has been improving greatly since
> he came on board. I believe we're going to see a wholescale revamp of the
> EAA web presence and I will ask that the minutes be included.
> >
> > Finally I had included some history of each of the board incumbents
> since you had complained that you had no basis to vote for any of them. I
> don't have time to rewrite all that but I would like to point out that
> Barry Davis was only elected 3 years ago. He founded the EAA Chapter in
> Carollton, GA and is very active in it. He was part of a group that
> scratchbuilt 6 identical Pietenpols (2 of which got balled up in the
> tornado at Sun 'n Fun--they rebuilding them) and is currently finishing a
> ground-up restoration of his 1957 Cessna 172. In short, he's part of that
> fresh-vision homebuilder stock you were looking for.
> >
> > Just as reference, below I've attached a copy of an email I sent to Tom
> in January, 2011 talking about the board restructuring.
> >
> > Safe travels everyone. See you at AirVenture!
> >
> > --Rick
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > On 01/07/2011 10:30 AM, Tom Poberezny wrote:
> > > - Attached you will find a current list of directors. Note
> > > behind the Director name is the date each Director planned to retire or
> > > if they were going to serve long term (3 years or more). This was based
> > > on the conversations I had with each Board member in 2008. As a result
> > > of those interviews, these dates were developed in an effort to reduce
> > > the size of the Board (25 or less), a goal approved by the Board. The
> > > plan was to reach this size by the end of 2011. Please verify if the
> > > date indicated is correct.
> >
> > It is. I'd like to serve at least one more 3 year term.
> >
> > > - There have been thoughts expressed by some Directors as to
> > > whether or not we should continue to downsize the Board to 25
> > > Directors. Please provide your opinion.
> >
> > If we take the division/council chairs out, we're at 24 now. I believe
> > our goal was 3 groups of 6 elected directors and that this year is the
> > final group. So we're nearly there anyway. We have some "extra"
> > directors because some of us got converted to class 3. Based on your
> > spreadsheet it seems like quite a few directors are not planning on
> > running next year so that gives us an opportunity to get to the goal
> > without getting rid of people we'd like to keep.
> >
> > At any rate, I'm ambivalent about whether the count is 6 or 7 per year.
> > Many people will say a board shouldn't be larger than 8 or 9 but I'm not
> > sure we could adequately represent our diverse membership with that
> > small a board.
> >
> > > - I am also asking each Director to share their thoughts
> > > regarding what you feel are the 2 - 3 key Governance priorities that
> > > need to be addressed.
> >
> > The board downsizing combined with building a relationship with a new
> > president gives us a great opportunity to re-evaluate how the board
> > works. I don't think the board is broken, but I think it could be doing
> > better. Ie let's look at Board Development. FWIW I've recently become a
> > fan of John Carver's Policy-Governance Board model.
> >
> > I also think it's a good time to take a look at the entire nominating &
> > election process to increase transparency and to make sure we have a mix
> > of directors that fairly represent the membership and have the skills we
> > really need in a board. That may include a proxy where the members get
> > to choose specific candidates. It may include an active nominating
> > committee that recruits candidates and doing away with self-nomination.
> > It may include term limits. I'm open to discussions about all three.
> >
> > In short, I'm looking forward to seeing what your Board Governance plan
> > looks like.
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > --Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Proxy Stuff.. |
Hi Rick.
Second time I've been asked that question in the past 30 seconds. No kiddin
g!
Just make sure you know your member number and if you are asked to assign yo
ur proxy to the current leadership team, that something you don't want to do
to avoid any confusion.
See you in a few days.
Thanks,
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
> Phil; so when I get my admission on Monday am, I also need to renew my mem
bership. I will certainly go to Cleveland Tools to get my proxy vote, but d
o I need to ask anything at the gate Monday when I renew to prevent the prox
y vote getting asigned to the EAA administration?
>
> Thx, Rick
> 40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Phil Perry wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. That's a breath of fresh air.
>
> I will send you my cell information in a separate message and we should at
least spend a few minutes talking at AV before Saturday.
>
> I'm currently at the doctors office with my son and will send the info whe
n I get back to be house.
>
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Beebe wrote:
>
> >
> > On 7/20/2012 11:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> >> Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably
> >> do between now and the time AirVenture closes. My concern is that the
> >> several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High
> >> Noon' duel on main street. We've collected enough proxy votes in 2
> >> weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns. We can
> >> do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond. I'm
> >> hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that
> >> allow all EAA members to participate in elections.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meeting and, I agree. It works
best if things stay cordial.
> >
> > Earlier this week I spent quite a while writing a long email describing t
he changes the board has been undergoing for the past few years. We elected t
o downsize from over 50 to 25 or less. 18 elected members and room for 7 cla
ss III directors (appointed by the board for 1 year terms). We have also tal
ked about adding transparency to the proxy process and to changing the board
nomination process. My purpose was two-fold. One to let you know that your c
oncerns with the proxy process are not new and that some of us also want to s
ee changes. And second to attempt to preempt future cries along the line of "
See, we showed up at the meeting with our proxies and now the board is makin
g changes to thwart us next year!" I don't know, yet, if there will be proce
ss changes next year but I did want you to know that redefining the board is
an ongoing project.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I sent the email from the wrong address without saving a c
opy and the matronics server bounced it without actually sending the whole t
hing back to me. And I've been too busy this week to write it again.
> >
> > I also wrote that I found the current list of directors. It's at www.osh
kosh365.org -> EAA Members Only -> Member Resources in the Membership sectio
n. I personally believe the board minutes should be there as well. They've h
ad a lot of web site problems so I think that's more of an oversight than an
active attempt to hide things. EAA finally has an IT director who knows wha
t he's doing and IT has been improving greatly since he came on board. I bel
ieve we're going to see a wholescale revamp of the EAA web presence and I wi
ll ask that the minutes be included.
> >
> > Finally I had included some history of each of the board incumbents sinc
e you had complained that you had no basis to vote for any of them. I don't h
ave time to rewrite all that but I would like to point out that Barry Davis w
as only elected 3 years ago. He founded the EAA Chapter in Carollton, GA and
is very active in it. He was part of a group that scratchbuilt 6 identical P
ietenpols (2 of which got balled up in the tornado at Sun 'n Fun--they rebui
lding them) and is currently finishing a ground-up restoration of his 1957 C
essna 172. In short, he's part of that fresh-vision homebuilder stock you we
re looking for.
> >
> > Just as reference, below I've attached a copy of an email I sent to Tom i
n January, 2011 talking about the board restructuring.
> >
> > Safe travels everyone. See you at AirVenture!
> >
> > --Rick
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > On 01/07/2011 10:30 AM, Tom Poberezny wrote:
> > > - Attached you will find a current list of directors. Note
> > > behind the Director name is the date each Director planned to retire o
r
> > > if they were going to serve long term (3 years or more). This was base
d
> > > on the conversations I had with each Board member in 2008. As a resul
t
> > > of those interviews, these dates were developed in an effort to reduce
> > > the size of the Board (25 or less), a goal approved by the Board. The
> > > plan was to reach this size by the end of 2011. Please verify if the
> > > date indicated is correct.
> >
> > It is. I'd like to serve at least one more 3 year term.
> >
> > > - There have been thoughts expressed by some Directors as to
> > > whether or not we should continue to downsize the Board to 25
> > > Directors. Please provide your opinion.
> >
> > If we take the division/council chairs out, we're at 24 now. I believe
> > our goal was 3 groups of 6 elected directors and that this year is the
> > final group. So we're nearly there anyway. We have some "extra"
> > directors because some of us got converted to class 3. Based on your
> > spreadsheet it seems like quite a few directors are not planning on
> > running next year so that gives us an opportunity to get to the goal
> > without getting rid of people we'd like to keep.
> >
> > At any rate, I'm ambivalent about whether the count is 6 or 7 per year.
> > Many people will say a board shouldn't be larger than 8 or 9 but I'm not
> > sure we could adequately represent our diverse membership with that
> > small a board.
> >
> > > - I am also asking each Director to share their thoughts
> > > regarding what you feel are the 2 - 3 key Governance priorities that
> > > need to be addressed.
> >
> > The board downsizing combined with building a relationship with a new
> > president gives us a great opportunity to re-evaluate how the board
> > works. I don't think the board is broken, but I think it could be doing
> > better. Ie let's look at Board Development. FWIW I've recently become a
> > fan of John Carver's Policy-Governance Board model.
> >
> > I also think it's a good time to take a look at the entire nominating &
> > election process to increase transparency and to make sure we have a mix
> > of directors that fairly represent the membership and have the skills we
> > really need in a board. That may include a proxy where the members get
> > to choose specific candidates. It may include an active nominating
> > committee that recruits candidates and doing away with self-nomination.
> > It may include term limits. I'm open to discussions about all three.
> >
> > In short, I'm looking forward to seeing what your Board Governance plan
> > looks like.
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > --Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 7/21/2012 8:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for pilot or other logbook software? I'm thinking
about moving more electronic and have been looking at the usual suspects like
LogTen and Zululog.
>
Can we use electronic books for the plane (airframe, engine, prop)?
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
http://myflightbook.com
Works great, and it's free.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
>
> On 7/21/2012 8:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:
>
>>
>> What is everyone using for pilot or other logbook software? I'm
>> thinking about moving more electronic and have been looking at the usual
>> suspects like LogTen and Zululog.
>>
>>
>
> Can we use electronic books for the plane (airframe, engine, prop)?
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
I just assumed it was pointless to try because every entry needs signing before
its considered complete, but for those I do a spreadsheet first and then make
sure every annual condition inspection I have it all in my chicken scratches
in hard cover. I'm sure it is possible somehow and certainly David Saylor's print
and sign would work. I do think though that to really get optimum "value"
out of a logbook it would be best to be hardcover and print as-you-go. Remember
that in the certified world a plane is almost worthless without its logs.
So for those I just went the old route. Admittedly I do only catch up the paper
logs once a year though usually....or I guess I'd do it anytime I have a
"significant" entry.
I find I refer to my spreadsheet all the time though...plus, doing it electronically
allows me to quickly add lots of detail. I probably write more in my logbook
and on my kneeboard while IFR each year than I actually hand write on paper
in TOTAL for anything else. Probably WAY more. For me these days, handwriting
is a lost form of communication and I have almost no use for a pencil or
pen. I am nearly 100% paperless.
If it really came down to it, I'd be comfortable with David's print a page and
sign all the entries....but I think if I bought a plane I'd be happiest to have
both hard and digital copies.
Tim
On Jul 21, 2012, at 11:19 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> On 7/21/2012 8:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:
>>
>> What is everyone using for pilot or other logbook software? I'm thinking
about moving more electronic and have been looking at the usual suspects like
LogTen and Zululog.
>>
>
>
> Can we use electronic books for the plane (airframe, engine, prop)?
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FS: SPOT Connect |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
I've got a SPOT connect that I got new at OSH last year to use until I did my Alaska
trip. It also is the only thing that works out in the Bahamas and way down
in Mexico, but I probably won't bother to use it in the Bahamas and won't
likely go back to Mexico soon.
The spit connect is the one that can link to a smart phone and be used to send
some predefined messages, and also you can type-and-send too, so it is kind of
cool in that you can send people messages from the plane with info like "we just
diverted and won't arrive tonight....will contact you later", or "we just
had an off airport landing but we're all fine.". So the reason ingot the spot
was because of that plus the Alaska trip.
At this time though I don't think I'll renew the contract on the spot. I could
hang onto it and activate it later but if anyone wants it for $100, I'll sell
it. I'll throw in the extra couple pairs (I think I have 4) of lithium batteries
too. My contract expires August 21 so you can use it for the trip home from
OSH too.
The only thing I did NOT like about it, is that in order to start the breadcrumbs
tracking you HAVE to use the smart phone app to turn it on. You can do SOS
without the phone, but to enable tracking you must use the phone. Once tracking
is on, you can turn off Bluetooth and forget about it for the rest of the
trip.
Any takers just shoot me an email off list. If it doesn't go, maybe next year
I'll use it for the bahamas, or, if there is interest, maybe I'll start renting
it out for those of us that only want it for one or two trips a year....as long
as it is being used by enough people to put a dent in the contract, I don't
mind keeping it. Again, if some wanted to rent it for the trip home from OSH
it's available. I hate even asking for any rental but at $150/yr it's not something
I care to being anymore if I'm footing the whole bill.
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Lewis <TimRVator(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
For my flight log, I take the same Excel-based approach Tim uses (with
paper log book for signature-required items).
My excel spreadsheet runs on my iPad using the "Documents To Go" app.
DocsToGo costs $10, works on iPad and iPhone. The $17 "Premium" version
supports Cloud storage (I think that's worth the extra $7). Documents
To Go supports some (but not all) Excel functions. It's robust enough
to support things like calculating IFR currency expiration date, which
is all I need. Email me if you want a copy of my Excel sheet.
Tim
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
RV-10 N31TD -- 300 hrs
Tim Olson said the following on 7/21/2012 9:24 PM:
>
> I use excel for a logbook and only log flight reviews or training time or anything
that requires a signature in my hardcover log.
> Tim
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:08 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
>
>>
>> I use Excel as a backup to a written logbook because I started a long time ago
and don't want to transcribe a lot of data.
>>
>> It is handy at insurance renewal time when they ask "total time, time in type,
total time last year, time in type last year, time last 90 days, ...."
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378889#378889
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
I use Excel as well. It allows me to track everything from flight hours to oil
usage to very detailed notes on flights to flight instruction hours, with whom,
etc etc etc. I have excel pages dedicated to engine and airframe, and to major
sign-offs, including medical, transponder, biennial, etc. Then two or three
times a year I update my paper log. All endorsements are in the paper logs, however.
... by phone
On Jul 22, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Tim Lewis wrote:
>
> For my flight log, I take the same Excel-based approach Tim uses (with paper
log book for signature-required items).
>
> My excel spreadsheet runs on my iPad using the "Documents To Go" app. DocsToGo
costs $10, works on iPad and iPhone. The $17 "Premium" version supports Cloud
storage (I think that's worth the extra $7). Documents To Go supports some
(but not all) Excel functions. It's robust enough to support things like calculating
IFR currency expiration date, which is all I need. Email me if you want
a copy of my Excel sheet.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
> RV-10 N31TD -- 300 hrs
>
> Tim Olson said the following on 7/21/2012 9:24 PM:
>>
>> I use excel for a logbook and only log flight reviews or training time or anything
that requires a signature in my hardcover log.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:08 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I use Excel as a backup to a written logbook because I started a long time
ago and don't want to transcribe a lot of data.
>>>
>>> It is handy at insurance renewal time when they ask "total time, time in type,
total time last year, time in type last year, time last 90 days, ...."
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Bob Turner
>>> RV-10 QB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378889#378889
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Logbook software |
| From: | Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
I use the log book output from my GRT HX system which produces a .xls directly.
Then I add notes as needed. I have a number of additional sheets with things
like W&B in the same workbook.
Documents to Go sounds like the perfect enhancement. Thanks.
Bill Watson
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Tim Lewis wrote:
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> For my flight log, I take the same Excel-based approach Tim uses (with paper
log book for signature-required items).
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> My excel spreadsheet runs on my iPad using the "Documents To Go" app. DocsToGo
costs $10, works on iPad and iPhone. The $17 "Premium" version supports Cloud
storage (I think that's worth the extra $7). Documents To Go supports some
(but not all) Excel functions. It's robust enough to support things like calculating
IFR currency expiration date, which is all I need. Email me if you want
a copy of my Excel sheet.
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> Tim
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> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
> RV-10 N31TD -- 300 hrs
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> Tim Olson said the following on 7/21/2012 9:24 PM:
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>> I use excel for a logbook and only log flight reviews or training time or anything
that requires a signature in my hardcover log.
>> Tim
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>> On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:08 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
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>>> I use Excel as a backup to a written logbook because I started a long time
ago and don't want to transcribe a lot of data.
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>>> It is handy at insurance renewal time when they ask "total time, time in type,
total time last year, time in type last year, time last 90 days, ...."
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>>> RV-10 QB
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | ADS600-B vs. Transponder Antenna Locations... |
Dear Listers,
The manual for the NavWorx ADS600-B says that the normal transponder antenna and
the UAT antenna "MUST be at least 5 feet apart". On an RV-8, that presents
somewhat of a problem. Realistically, the farthest forward you can mount a transponder
fin is just behind the main spar under the aileron pushrods. 5 feet
back from that point is right under the rear-mounted battery box! That means
that the next realistic place is right behind the elevator bellcrank and behind
bulkhead F-808. The coax w/ TNC connector on one end that comes with the ADS600-B
is just long enough to make it to the forward position. I was thinking
of mounting the transponder antenna (Garmin GTX-237) in the aft position as
described above and using RG-400.
But that's pretty far back for a transponder antenna. I've never seen one mounted
there before. Any reason why I wouldn't want to mount it there?
The only other option would be to mount it out on the wing somewhere to maintain
the 5' separation. But that's even goofier, it seems to me...
Thoughts?
Thanks,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 110+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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| Subject: | Re: ADS600-B vs. Transponder Antenna Locations... |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
I'd do what it takes to put them 5' apart. The transponder and AD-B are high wattage
and put out a lot of RF. Not familiar with your mounting locations on
that model but either antenna should work basically anywhere on the belly just
fine....even back just forward of the rudder. So I'd just buy some RG-400 and
find a spot that is 5' away, is easy, looks ok, and gives options should you
add some other antenna like APRS or any other future antenna. Should be doable.
Tim
On Jul 22, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
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> Dear Listers,
>
> The manual for the NavWorx ADS600-B says that the normal transponder antenna
and the UAT antenna "MUST be at least 5 feet apart". On an RV-8, that presents
somewhat of a problem. Realistically, the farthest forward you can mount a
transponder fin is just behind the main spar under the aileron pushrods. 5 feet
back from that point is right under the rear-mounted battery box! That means
that the next realistic place is right behind the elevator bellcrank and behind
bulkhead F-808. The coax w/ TNC connector on one end that comes with the
ADS600-B is just long enough to make it to the forward position. I was thinking
of mounting the transponder antenna (Garmin GTX-237) in the aft position as
described above and using RG-400.
>
> But that's pretty far back for a transponder antenna. I've never seen one mounted
there before. Any reason why I wouldn't want to mount it there?
>
> The only other option would be to mount it out on the wing somewhere to maintain
the 5' separation. But that's even goofier, it seems to me...
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 110+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
>
>
>
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| From: | Aaron Gleixner <aarongleixner(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ADS600-B vs. Transponder Antenna Locations... |
On my RV-8A, I had the same issue with the lower cost traffic system I inst
alled =0Aback in 2003.- I used-the recommended coax in the installation
manual-for the =0ABendix King transponder for the length of cable I inst
alled, and mounted the =0Atransponder antenna with a doubler near one of th
e bulkheads near the tail (on =0Athe belly).- Works fine and maintains th
e 5 ft separation.=0A=0AAaron=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________
_=0AFrom: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com; r
v8-list(at)matronics.com; rv7-list(at)matronics.com; =0Arv10-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASent: Sun, July 22, 2012 10:17:01 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: ADS600-B vs.
Dralle =0A=0ADear Listers,=0A=0AThe manual for the N
avWorx ADS600-B says that the normal transponder antenna and =0Athe UAT ant
enna "MUST be at least 5 feet apart".- On an RV-8, that presents =0Asomew
hat of a problem.- Realistically, the farthest forward you can mount a
=0Atransponder fin is just behind the main spar under the aileron pushrods.
- 5 feet =0Aback from that point is right under the rear-mounted battery
box!- That means =0Athat the next realistic place is right behind the ele
vator bellcrank and behind =0Abulkhead F-808.- The coax w/ TNC connector
on one end that comes with the =0AADS600-B is just long enough to make it t
o the forward position.- I was thinking =0Aof mounting the transponder an
tenna (Garmin GTX-237) in the aft position as =0Adescribed above and using
RG-400.=0A=0ABut that's pretty far back for a transponder antenna.- I've
never seen one =0Amounted there before.- Any reason why I wouldn't want t
o mount it there?- =0A=0A=0AThe only other option would be to mount it ou
t on the wing somewhere to maintain =0Athe 5' separation.- But that's eve
n goofier, it seems to me...=0A=0AThoughts?=0A=0AThanks, =0A=0A-=0AMatt Dra
lle=0A=0ARV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"=0Ahttp://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's
Complete RV-8 Construction Log=0Ahttp://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing
Mishap Rebuild Log=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV You
Tube Channel=0AStatus: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing
Mishap...=0A=0ARV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"=0Ahttp://www.mattsrv6.com - M
att's RV-6 Revitalization Log=0AStatus: 110+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrade
==
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| Subject: | Re: FS: SPOT Connect |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
I have a spot also, but I use it in the west over some pretty rough the terrain.
I am fairly satisfied with the product except for a few quirks. I send my wife
a spot , "I'm ok message" when I am out in the boomers. I also like to take
it on cruises, but I have found a few voids. It does not work in the Central
Pacific Ocean and is unreliable in Alaska. I sent a few messages in Alaska, and
the unit said that (green light) the message was sent, but it was not sent!
I looked at the new deLorme InReach unit at OSH yesterday, but even with the rebate
of $50 it is $200 and there are VERY high fees like $25 per month plus activation
fees. If you want to suspend service there are other costs. I would
say that except for professional bush flyers or Alaskan travelers, I would hesitate
to purchase.
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See you OSH '12
Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379145#379145
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| Subject: | Re: synergy air Wally Anderson |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
Wally is a 4x4 guy
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See you OSH '12
Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379146#379146
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| Subject: | Re: FS: SPOT Connect |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
I had good luck in Alaska. The only times it gave me grief was when I forgo
t to start it. Photo attached.
On Jul 25, 2012, at 7:42 AM, "AirMike" wrote:
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> I have a spot also, but I use it in the west over some pretty rough the te
rrain. I am fairly satisfied with the product except for a few quirks. I sen
d my wife a spot , "I'm ok message" when I am out in the boomers. I also lik
e to take it on cruises, but I have found a few voids. It does not work in t
he Central Pacific Ocean and is unreliable in Alaska. I sent a few messages i
n Alaska, and the unit said that (green light) the message was sent, but it w
as not sent! I looked at the new deLorme InReach unit at OSH yesterday, but e
ven with the rebate of $50 it is $200 and there are VERY high fees like $25 p
er month plus activation fees. If you want to suspend service there are othe
r costs. I would say that except for professional bush flyers or Alaskan tra
velers, I would hesitate to purchase.
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