RV10-Archive.digest.vol-jd
December 15, 2012 - January 11, 2013
the cowl.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: | owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:32 AM
Anyone know a source for the stainless hinge pins besides Vans? I don't
understand why they don't provide enough for the side hinges between the top
and bottom cowl. Page 47-8 says they are available from the accessories
catalog. I'd think they are more than just accessories. I understand that
they weld on a retainer for these "accessories", but one would think that it
would be supplied in the kit.
-Sean #40303
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
Subject: | Re: Cowl Hinge Pins |
Thanks Carl.
I assumed it was "required" to replace them with the part mentioned in
the plans, but I am now seeing that is not the case.
I shamelessly stole the pin retainer from Mike
(http://www.azcloudflyer.com/finish/IMG_0298.jpg). And it seems the
pins that come with the hinges will be fine.
-Sean #40303
On 12/15/12 3:39 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> I purchased hinge pin material from ACS - this may be the right number but
> you need to check: MS20253-P2-7200 HINGE PIN SS 03-49000. I see no
> advantage to stainless steel over the standard steel pins.
>
> I got (2) 6' lengths as I install the cowl side pins from inside the
> cockpit. The pins run through a piece of 1/4" aluminum tubing on the cabin
> side of the firewall that acts as a conduit. I took a 3/16" round head
> rivet and drilled a 1/16" hole through the center, then countersunk the
> shank end, cut off the head, and JB welded the rivet into one end of the
> 1/4" tubing (countersunk part to the inside so the pin is directed into the
> 1/16" hole). A 3/16" hole is drilled into the firewall such that the rivet
> shank pokes through 1/4" or so, in a spot such that the pin is directed into
> the first eyelet on the cowl.
>
> This is really a lot simpler than it sounds. The end result is with a few
> AN fittings you have lockable side pins that don't poke through the front of
> the cowl.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:32 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Cowl Hinge Pins
>
>
> Anyone know a source for the stainless hinge pins besides Vans? I don't
> understand why they don't provide enough for the side hinges between the top
> and bottom cowl. Page 47-8 says they are available from the accessories
> catalog. I'd think they are more than just accessories. I understand that
> they weld on a retainer for these "accessories", but one would think that it
> would be supplied in the kit.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
>
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From: | "Bill and Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net> |
Subject: | Bottom wing skin J-stiffeners |
Quick, simple question. The instructions state that the outboard bottom
wing skin overlaps the inboard bottom skin but doesn't mention how the
stiffeners overlap. Do I assume it's the same as the skins (which is
what I've done up to this point) or does it really matter???
Thanks in advance,
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Cowl Hinge Pins |
From: | "Greg McFarlane" <grbcmcfarlane(at)gmail.com> |
Re conduit for cabin side entry of side cowl hinges, rather than use 1/4 inch ally
pipe, if you go to your local auto brake place you'll be able to purchase
steel brake pipe that the side pins are a neat fit in. Then it's only a matter
of drilling a hole in the firewall and fwd fuse bulkhead F-1002-R that is a neat
fit for the steel pipe and lines up with the side cowl hinges, bond with bondo
or epoxy. I've kept mine straight just below the vents but you can bend the
pipe to any location and the pin will happily follow. Epoxy a rivit into the
last forward piano hinge, top or bottom to stop the pin from making friends
with your fan. Cheers from Western Australia.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390512#390512
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From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
Is anybody on the list familiar with this plane or with the guy who is
selling it? Please contact me off list or call me if you are familiar
with either.
> http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=728487
>
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Cowl Hinge Pins |
From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
You will be very happy that you bought the pins from Van's if you do. The welded
on tab makes it much easier to remove the pins and keeps them very securely.
Just using an eyelet to hold the tip of the pin is not nearly as nice, IMHO.
YMMV
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Dec 15, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> Anyone know a source for the stainless hinge pins besides Vans? I don't understand
why they don't provide enough for the side hinges between the top and bottom
cowl. Page 47-8 says they are available from the accessories catalog.
I'd think they are more than just accessories. I understand that they weld on
a retainer for these "accessories", but one would think that it would be supplied
in the kit.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
Subject: | Re: Cowl Hinge Pins |
Amen to that Jesse! I had just the hing section for a long long
time, and while it did work, eventually the eyelet widens and the
pin can start to move and then the wear happens faster yet.
I did the JB weld thing for a while to hold it on, and that worked
ok for a while but soon one of them broke free and then I had to
re-glue it. Finally I got ticked off enough that I did it better.
I bought new pins, and a section of stainless hinge, and silver
soldered them together. Yes, Van's does sell a pre-made pin, but
by this point I was irritated and knew I could do a better job
if I took the time. Wish I would have had Van's pins right from
the start. Actually, if I could do it all over again, I'd
make mine look like Sean's where the pins get hidden by an
oval shaped RV-10 logo. That to me trims it out perfectly.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 12/17/2012 2:26 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>
> You will be very happy that you bought the pins from Van's if you do.
> The welded on tab makes it much easier to remove the pins and keeps
> them very securely. Just using an eyelet to hold the tip of the pin
> is not nearly as nice, IMHO.
>
> YMMV
>
> Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C:
> 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Dec 15, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Sean Stephens
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know a source for the stainless hinge pins besides Vans? I
>> don't understand why they don't provide enough for the side hinges
>> between the top and bottom cowl. Page 47-8 says they are available
>> from the accessories catalog. I'd think they are more than just
>> accessories. I understand that they weld on a retainer for these
>> "accessories", but one would think that it would be supplied in the
>> kit.
>>
>> -Sean #40303
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> |
Here are the covers Tim was referring to. These are produced by Aerosport
Products.
Geoff Combs
Aerosport
8090 howe industrial pkwy
canal winchester, ohio 43110
614.834.5227p
614.834.5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cowl Hinge Pins
Amen to that Jesse! I had just the hing section for a long long time, and
while it did work, eventually the eyelet widens and the pin can start to
move and then the wear happens faster yet.
I did the JB weld thing for a while to hold it on, and that worked ok for a
while but soon one of them broke free and then I had to re-glue it. Finally
I got ticked off enough that I did it better.
I bought new pins, and a section of stainless hinge, and silver soldered
them together. Yes, Van's does sell a pre-made pin, but by this point I was
irritated and knew I could do a better job if I took the time. Wish I would
have had Van's pins right from the start. Actually, if I could do it all
over again, I'd make mine look like Sean's where the pins get hidden by an
oval shaped RV-10 logo. That to me trims it out perfectly.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 12/17/2012 2:26 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>
> You will be very happy that you bought the pins from Van's if you do.
> The welded on tab makes it much easier to remove the pins and keeps
> them very securely. Just using an eyelet to hold the tip of the pin is
> not nearly as nice, IMHO.
>
> YMMV
>
> Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C:
> 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Dec 15, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Sean Stephens
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know a source for the stainless hinge pins besides Vans? I
>> don't understand why they don't provide enough for the side hinges
>> between the top and bottom cowl. Page 47-8 says they are available
>> from the accessories catalog. I'd think they are more than just
>> accessories. I understand that they weld on a retainer for these
>> "accessories", but one would think that it would be supplied in the
>> kit.
>>
>> -Sean #40303
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com> |
Can those be recessed? My buddy left his proud but seems like I've seen pic
s of them flush???
> From: g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cowl Hinge Pins
> Date: Tue=2C 18 Dec 2012 16:34:01 -0500
>
> Here are the covers Tim was referring to. These are produced by Aerosport
> Products.
>
>
> Geoff Combs
> Aerosport
> 8090 howe industrial pkwy
> canal winchester=2C ohio 43110
> 614.834.5227p
> 614.834.5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday=2C December 17=2C 2012 10:15 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cowl Hinge Pins
>
>
> Amen to that Jesse! I had just the hing section for a long long time=2C
and
> while it did work=2C eventually the eyelet widens and the pin can start t
o
> move and then the wear happens faster yet.
> I did the JB weld thing for a while to hold it on=2C and that worked ok f
or a
> while but soon one of them broke free and then I had to re-glue it. Final
ly
> I got ticked off enough that I did it better.
> I bought new pins=2C and a section of stainless hinge=2C and silver solde
red
> them together. Yes=2C Van's does sell a pre-made pin=2C but by this point
I was
> irritated and knew I could do a better job if I took the time. Wish I wo
uld
> have had Van's pins right from the start. Actually=2C if I could do it a
ll
> over again=2C I'd make mine look like Sean's where the pins get hidden by
an
> oval shaped RV-10 logo. That to me trims it out perfectly.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> On 12/17/2012 2:26 PM=2C Jesse Saint wrote:
> >
> >
> > You will be very happy that you bought the pins from Van's if you do.
> > The welded on tab makes it much easier to remove the pins and keeps
> > them very securely. Just using an eyelet to hold the tip of the pin is
> > not nearly as nice=2C IMHO.
> >
> > YMMV
> >
> > Jesse Saint Saint Aviation=2C Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C:
> > 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694
> >
> > On Dec 15=2C 2012=2C at 11:32 AM=2C Sean Stephens
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone know a source for the stainless hinge pins besides Vans? I
> >> don't understand why they don't provide enough for the side hinges
> >> between the top and bottom cowl. Page 47-8 says they are available
> >> from the accessories catalog. I'd think they are more than just
> >> accessories. I understand that they weld on a retainer for these
> >> "accessories"=2C but one would think that it would be supplied in the
> >> kit.
> >>
> >> -Sean #40303
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Cowl Hinge Pins |
From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
By design they are supposed to be recessed and flushed. Here is a link to th
e instructions.
http://aerosportproducts.com/Docs/cowlpin.pdf
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 19, 2012, at 1:09 AM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> Can those be recessed? My buddy left his proud but seems like I've seen pi
cs of them flush???
>
> > From: g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cowl Hinge Pins
> > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:34:01 -0500
> >
> > Here are the covers Tim was referring to. These are produced by Aerospor
t
> > Products.
> >
> >
> > Geoff Combs
> > Aerosport
> > 8090 howe industrial pkwy
> > canal winchester, ohio 43110
> > 614.834.5227p
> > 614.834.5230f
> > www.aerosportmodeling.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:15 PM
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cowl Hinge Pins
> >
> >
> > Amen to that Jesse! I had just the hing section for a long long time, an
d
> > while it did work, eventually the eyelet widens and the pin can start to
> > move and then the wear happens faster yet.
> > I did the JB weld thing for a while to hold it on, and that worked ok fo
r a
> > while but soon one of them broke free and then I had to re-glue it. Fina
lly
> > I got ticked off enough that I did it better.
> > I bought new pins, and a section of stainless hinge, and silver soldered
> > them together. Yes, Van's does sell a pre-made pin, but by this point I w
as
> > irritated and knew I could do a better job if I took the time. Wish I wo
uld
> > have had Van's pins right from the start. Actually, if I could do it all
> > over again, I'd make mine look like Sean's where the pins get hidden by a
n
> > oval shaped RV-10 logo. That to me trims it out perfectly.
> >
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/17/2012 2:26 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > You will be very happy that you bought the pins from Van's if you do.
> > > The welded on tab makes it much easier to remove the pins and keeps
> > > them very securely. Just using an eyelet to hold the tip of the pin is
> > > not nearly as nice, IMHO.
> > >
> > > YMMV
> > >
> > > Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C:
> > > 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694
> > >
> > > On Dec 15, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Sean Stephens
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Anyone know a source for the stainless hinge pins besides Vans? I
> > >> don't understand why they don't provide enough for the side hinges
> > >> between the top and bottom cowl. Page 47-8 says they are available
> > >> from the accessories catalog. I'd think they are more than just
> > >> accessories. I understand that they weld on a retainer for these
> > >> "accessories", but one would think that it would be supplied in the
> > >> kit.
> > >>
> > >> -Sean #40303
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: | Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com> |
Thanks!
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cowl Hinge Pins
From: rv(at)thelefflers.com
Date: Wed=2C 19 Dec 2012 05:54:34 -0500
By design they are supposed to be recessed and flushed. Here is a link to t
he instructions.
http://aerosportproducts.com/Docs/cowlpin.pdf
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 19=2C 2012=2C at 1:09 AM=2C Danny Riggs wrote:
Can those be recessed? My buddy left his proud but seems like I've seen pic
s of them flush???
> From: g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cowl Hinge Pins
> Date: Tue=2C 18 Dec 2012 16:34:01 -0500
>
> Here are the covers Tim was referring to. These are produced by Aerosport
> Products.
>
>
> Geoff Combs
> Aerosport
> 8090 howe industrial pkwy
> canal winchester=2C ohio 43110
> 614.834.5227p
> 614.834.5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday=2C December 17=2C 2012 10:15 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cowl Hinge Pins
>
>
> Amen to that Jesse! I had just the hing section for a long long time=2C
and
> while it did work=2C eventually the eyelet widens and the pin can start t
o
> move and then the wear happens faster yet.
> I did the JB weld thing for a while to hold it on=2C and that worked ok f
or a
> while but soon one of them broke free and then I had to re-glue it. Final
ly
> I got ticked off enough that I did it better.
> I bought new pins=2C and a section of stainless hinge=2C and silver solde
red
> them together. Yes=2C Van's does sell a pre-made pin=2C but by this point
I was
> irritated and knew I could do a better job if I took the time. Wish I wo
uld
> have had Van's pins right from the start. Actually=2C if I could do it a
ll
> over again=2C I'd make mine look like Sean's where the pins get hidden by
an
> oval shaped RV-10 logo. That to me trims it out perfectly.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> On 12/17/2012 2:26 PM=2C Jesse Saint wrote:
> >
> >
> > You will be very happy that you bought the pins from Van's if you do.
> > The welded on tab makes it much easier to remove the pins and keeps
> > them very securely. Just using an eyelet to hold the tip of the pin is
> > not nearly as nice=2C IMHO.
> >
> > YMMV
> >
> > Jesse Saint Saint Aviation=2C Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C:
> > 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694
> >
> > On Dec 15=2C 2012=2C at 11:32 AM=2C Sean Stephens
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone know a source for the stainless hinge pins besides Vans? I
> >> don't understand why they don't provide enough for the side hinges
> >> between the top and bottom cowl. Page 47-8 says they are available
> >> from the accessories catalog. I'd think they are more than just
> >> accessories. I understand that they weld on a retainer for these
> >> "accessories"=2C but one would think that it would be supplied in the
> >> kit.
> >>
> >> -Sean #40303
>
>
>
>
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From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
Subject: | NonStopAviation? |
Has anyone successfully purchased a product from nonstopaviation
recently? I made a purchase over a week ago and have heard nothing.
Tried calling and emailing with no reply.
-Sean #40303
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
Subject: | Re: NonStopAviation? |
check the archives, this sounds familiar for a vendor out there, in the end
they came through with the products, so no worries there, they were just
slow to follow-up.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Stephens
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: NonStopAviation?
Has anyone successfully purchased a product from nonstopaviation
recently? I made a purchase over a week ago and have heard nothing.
Tried calling and emailing with no reply.
-Sean #40303
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
Subject: | Re: ECI Pushrod Shroud Retainer- Update |
Well, quite remotely at this point, I needed to replace the springs in
the pushrod as part of this SI! As I mentioned previously I thought I
was not part of the ECI Service Instruction, but it wasn't a few days
after I sent out the response below that I noticed an oil stream on the
belly (I have a no fluid on the belly policy) I traced it back to a
cylinder and started thinking about the Service Instruction, so I took
the plenum off and sure enough there was a leak coming out of the
pushrod. I called ECI and they Fedex'd out the parts needed. I give them
credit for the great customer support with this. I filled out a warranty
form and 3 days later the parts and new gaskets were shipped to me.
Mine were not broken (yet) but the springs were showing wear (118 hours)
and there appeared to be stress cracks developing, hence the loose of
tension to hold the pushrod in place (attached).
-----Original Message-----
From: Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ECI Pushrod Shroud Retainer
I called Eci, good folks! the stock was changed in July 2010. Basically
if
there was a problem one would know rather quickly in the form of a oil
leak.
I explained I had over 100 hours and he suggested that it was quite
remote
at this point to have an issue, which means I probably had the engine
built
with different retainer clips.
If you have had the engine less than 2 years this should not apply to
you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: ECI Pushrod Shroud Retainer
Not sure if others got this or not, but just one part to
check out if you have used an ECI parts kit at all, or
happen to have an ECI retainer clip from some maintenance.
http://eci.aero/pdf/12-1.pdf
Just one of those little things...
Tim
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Subject: | Re: NonStopAviation? |
From: | "dhmoose" <dhmoose(at)yahoo.com> |
I purchased an oil door from them approx 10 days ago. I received email confirmation
on the order and a week later, a second email confirmation that the item
shipped. So far, it hasn't arrived but it seems likely that it will. Fingers
crossed. :)
David
--------
David Halmos
RV-10
Finishing Kit...far from finished!
Portland, OR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390805#390805
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Subject: | Re: NonStopAviation? |
From: | "dhmoose" <dhmoose(at)yahoo.com> |
Shipment arrived today! Nonstop aviation is still in business.
--------
David Halmos
RV-10
Cowl and baffles
Portland, OR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390827#390827
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From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Fwd: Confirmation of RV-10 class. |
(from Dave Saylor) Will the builder in NM who called about using his cabin
top please give me a call? Best number is 831-750-0284. Thx!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tim Farrell <tim(at)aircraftersllc.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Subject: Confirmation of RV-10 class.
dave(at)aircraftersllc.com>
Hello all,
Merry Christmas. I'd like to confirm that we will be going ahead with the
class. Please RSVP me one more time to confirm your assistance. We will
also need to get the deposit before Feb. 1. I will be contacting you after
Christmas to see how we can arrange that. The class will be Feb 23 & 24
starting at 8am. See http://www.aircraftersllc.com/news_events.html?id=news for
more info.
Our refund policy will be the following: full refund before feb 1. After
that, you are committed to the 50%. We're all pilots and we all understand
the effects of weather. I would ask that you have a backup plan in case
you are weathered in, but in the case that you are flying in and can't make
it do to local weather, we'll refund 50% and the remainder can be applied
to another class or shop time.
Currently I am emailing you all blind carbon copy. I would like to share
your email with other participants, so in my next email I will copy
everyone CC. If you DO NOT want your email shared, please tell me.
I wish you all the best holidays,
Talk soon,
Tim Farrell
--
*Aircrafters*
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville CA, 95076
KWVI
831-722-9141
www.AircraftersLLC.com
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From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
I've asked around some about this guy and so far nobody knows him. If KellyM doesn't
know him then he is truly off the builder's guild grid.
I am curious what he wants for his project.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and
FWF kit in progress.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390849#390849
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Subject: | Re: NonStopAviation? |
From: | "ivankris" <ivankris(at)rogers.com> |
I have purchased several items from them in the past and they have always shipped.
I believe Steve runs this as a part time business but he produces top quality
products.
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Ivan K.
www.ivankristensen.com
Builder # 40838
Flying (265 hrs.)
C-GMDV
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Subject: | Re: NonStopAviation? |
From: | Alan Mekler <amekler(at)metrocast.net> |
Ivan,
Steve Raddatz was killed May 23,2009 in a formation flying accident. His partner
Eric runs
NonstopAviation.
Regards,
Alan
N668G
RV-10( built by Steve Raddatz)
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 23, 2012, at 12:16 PM, "ivankris" wrote:
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I believe Steve runs this as a part time business but he produces top quality
products.
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> Ivan K.
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> www.ivankristensen.com
> Builder # 40838
> Flying (265 hrs.)
> C-GMDV
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From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: NonStopAviation? |
I purchased the 4" oil cooler air butterfly valve and oil door hidden hinge.
Parts arrived promptly and I'm happy with the quality.
Carl
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ivankris
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:17 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: NonStopAviation?
I have purchased several items from them in the past and they have always
shipped. I believe Steve runs this as a part time business but he produces
top quality products.
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Ivan K.
www.ivankristensen.com
Builder # 40838
Flying (265 hrs.)
C-GMDV
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From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
I've heard of several RV-10s being built in the PHX area at home, that
don't seem to participate in either Van's Airforce or here. One other
local -10 builder thinks he is at Stellar AirPark but I have no actual
knowledge.
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 9:37 AM, woxofswa wrote:
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> I've asked around some about this guy and so far nobody knows him. If KellyM
doesn't know him then he is truly off the builder's guild grid.
>
> I am curious what he wants for his project.
>
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> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit
and FWF kit in progress.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390849#390849
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From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Chris Sands is "float208" on VAF
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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From: | John <johnag5b(at)cableone.net> |
Hey Myron -
About whose 10 are you enquiring?
My 10 is for sale. Ask Deems or Kelly or Gary Hendickson or Gary Towner or anybody
at KPRC about it or just call me. 938-308-0471.
John Ackerman
Prescott AZ
On Dec 23, 2012, at 9:37 AM, "woxofswa" wrote:
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> I've asked around some about this guy and so far nobody knows him. If KellyM
doesn't know him then he is truly off the builder's guild grid.
>
> I am curious what he wants for his project.
>
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> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit
and FWF kit in progress.
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From: | Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com> |
He has it on Barnstormers for $100,000
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Dec 23, 2012, at 8:37 AM, woxofswa wrote:
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> I've asked around some about this guy and so far nobody knows him. If KellyM
doesn't know him then he is truly off the builder's guild grid.
>
> I am curious what he wants for his project.
>
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> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit
and FWF kit in progress.
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From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
I'm not interested as a buyer. I have my own project about his same stage and was
just curious about market value. It seems to me that a project that far along
would bring more return if it were finished, but maybe not. Glad I don't
need/want to sell, as I sure wouldn't want to let it go for 100k.
My casual observation is that a quality build at about 100 hours logged brings
the best return, but I could be wrong.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and
FWF kit in progress.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390913#390913
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From: | "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
Hi
I have been silent (because of travel and building) of late but do want to
acknowledge Andrew Leopold (Angus Aviation Pty Ltd) who markets the Gretz
heated pitot and the good folks at Aircraft Spruce.
A month or so ago, I installed my wings and completed the wiring for the
heated pitot. In the heated hanger everything worked as advertised. When I
energized the pitot outside in about -12c it immediately failed. Although
the root cause is not apparent, the it looks like the heating element on the
head had a short. The challenge for me was this was bought several years ago
(from ACS) when I purchased my QB wings. Given that it was in a box since
the initial install of the mounting bracket, Andrew immediately offered to
replace it through ACS.
I think it is great that we, as builders, have access to suppliers like
Andrew, who will stand by their product (even when made by the original
owner of Gretz Aero). Equally helpful was ACS who was also prepared to stand
behind the product and shipped the replacement to me so I could avoid
waiting for a replacement from Oz.
This is what customer service is about.
Cheers
Les
C-GCWZ "Officially" finished and awaiting CofA
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From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
I have had the same experience with Dynon, Vertical Power and Aircraft
Spruce.
Aircraft Spruce really does care about customer service. Last month Mr Irwin
himself sent me an e-mail thanking me for helping out with an issue on a
local RV list. As the owner and president of a large company, that speaks
volumes that Spruce cares enough that they monitor lists and take care of
issues like yours Les, in my case, by the President of the company himself.
I just ordered a few random items, new ear seals and replacement parts, that
exceeded $100, forgot to mention I had a promo code from AOPA when ordering
and called back asking for AOPA deal ($10 card)Once they got the code
straightened out I was assured I would get the card sent out. It's all about
customer service and these small things lead me to buy big things from
Spruce.
Thank you for the feedback!
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Kearney
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:18 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Kudos
Hi
I have been silent (because of travel and building) of late but do want to
acknowledge Andrew Leopold (Angus Aviation Pty Ltd) who markets the Gretz
heated pitot and the good folks at Aircraft Spruce.
A month or so ago, I installed my wings and completed the wiring for the
heated pitot. In the heated hanger everything worked as advertised. When I
energized the pitot outside in about -12c it immediately failed. Although
the root cause is not apparent, the it looks like the heating element on the
head had a short. The challenge for me was this was bought several years ago
(from ACS) when I purchased my QB wings. Given that it was in a box since
the initial install of the mounting bracket, Andrew immediately offered to
replace it through ACS.
I think it is great that we, as builders, have access to suppliers like
Andrew, who will stand by their product (even when made by the original
owner of Gretz Aero). Equally helpful was ACS who was also prepared to stand
behind the product and shipped the replacement to me so I could avoid
waiting for a replacement from Oz.
This is what customer service is about.
Cheers
Les
C-GCWZ "Officially" finished and awaiting CofA
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From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I agree. Not too long ago the ACS president personally emailed me to correct a
small complaint
He is trying hard to give good service, and I shop there because of that, even
if I do have to pay the CA sales tax!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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From: | "rwwende" <n7006w(at)gmail.com> |
Since I did not want to wait three weeks for shipping to and from the land down
under, I isolated my problem to being a bad thermistor on the old pitot. The
control board worked fine.
After receiving a new one from Stein and bench testing it first, I installed it
in the airplane along with an opti-isolator my MIT Engineering neighbor built
for me, which eliminates the led lights and displays the status on the EFIS.
Love it.
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From: | Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
That's cool!
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2012, at 12:47, "rwwende" wrote:
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> Since I did not want to wait three weeks for shipping to and from the land down
under, I isolated my problem to being a bad thermistor on the old pitot. The
control board worked fine.
>
> After receiving a new one from Stein and bench testing it first, I installed
it in the airplane along with an opti-isolator my MIT Engineering neighbor built
for me, which eliminates the led lights and displays the status on the EFIS.
Love it.
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391087#391087
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From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
Subject: | Re: Pitot Opto-Isolator Was: Kudos |
For those looking to get the pitot annunciators on their EFIS, check out
the following post from Matt on the VP forums. Post #8 on the thread.
I had to use a different part number which is indicated on the last post
of the thread.
http://www.verticalpower.com/forums/showthread.php?255-Gretz-Aero-G-1000-Pitot&p=1667&posted=1#post1667
-Sean #40303
On 12/28/12 1:47 PM, rwwende wrote:
>
> Since I did not want to wait three weeks for shipping to and from the land down
under, I isolated my problem to being a bad thermistor on the old pitot. The
control board worked fine.
>
> After receiving a new one from Stein and bench testing it first, I installed
it in the airplane along with an opti-isolator my MIT Engineering neighbor built
for me, which eliminates the led lights and displays the status on the EFIS.
Love it.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391087#391087
>
>
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From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
I had a similar experience. Having acquired it directly from Gretz, I
had to work with Andrew directly. I resisted sending the unit to Oz but
found that it was not expensive, surprisingly quick, and I got total
satisfaction from Andrew.
Since removing the pitot takes the plane off line, I found that I was
able to fashion a Vans Version 1.0 pitot to replace the Gretz in about
an hour.
None too soon with icing season approaching. I took on my first RV10
ice flying into Sandy's giant low. It happened so slowly and
unexpectedly that it caught me my surprise as I slowly lost airspeed in
autopilot cruise. I could never quite see the ice from the cockpit but
getting into warmer clear air resulted in a few bangs as it came off the
prop.
I like the "always on" concept and the reduced need to burn my fingers
checking operation on the ground.
Bill "happy customer of Angus Aviation" Watson
On 12/27/2012 12:18 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I have been silent (because of travel and building) of late but do want to
> acknowledge Andrew Leopold (Angus Aviation Pty Ltd) who markets the Gretz
> heated pitot and the good folks at Aircraft Spruce.
>
> A month or so ago, I installed my wings and completed the wiring for the
> heated pitot. In the heated hanger everything worked as advertised. When I
> energized the pitot outside in about -12c it immediately failed. Although
> the root cause is not apparent, the it looks like the heating element on the
> head had a short. The challenge for me was this was bought several years ago
> (from ACS) when I purchased my QB wings. Given that it was in a box since
> the initial install of the mounting bracket, Andrew immediately offered to
> replace it through ACS.
>
> I think it is great that we, as builders, have access to suppliers like
> Andrew, who will stand by their product (even when made by the original
> owner of Gretz Aero). Equally helpful was ACS who was also prepared to stand
> behind the product and shipped the replacement to me so I could avoid
> waiting for a replacement from Oz.
>
> This is what customer service is about.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> C-GCWZ "Officially" finished and awaiting CofA
>
>
>
>
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> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Subject: | Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna Installation |
From: | Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au> |
For those that have installed an overhead console, at what point should the console
finally be installed (i.e. should the door hinges, gas strut brackets and
any antenna mounts have already been installed prior to the final installation
of the console).
Additionally I need to install my TCAS antenna on the upper rear section of the
cabin top in as near to the level flying attitude as possible. How close is
the aircraft to its level flying attitude when it's sitting on the ground on its
landing gear. Any angle measurements (i.e. the variation between level flight
and when on the ground) would be greatly appreciated please.
For those that have installed the Garmin GTS-800 TCAS antenna on the cabin top,
did you use conductive paint for your ground plane or an alternative method please?
Warm regards & Happy New Year to all,
Patrick Pulis
Adelaide, South Australia
# 40299
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Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna Installat |
From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
I installed my console (Aerosport) with the top upside down on my work table.
I had no issues installing the top or fitting the doors afterwards.
Good luck.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and
FWF kit in progress.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391188#391188
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Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna Installation |
From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
It depends whether you can access your intended antenna locations with the
overhead in place or not. If they are okay where the two removable panels
are, no problem. Otherwise you need to mount the items first.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
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> For those that have installed an overhead console, at what point should
> the console finally be installed (i.e. should the door hinges, gas strut
> brackets and any antenna mounts have already been installed prior to the
> final installation of the console).
>
> Additionally I need to install my TCAS antenna on the upper rear section
> of the cabin top in as near to the level flying attitude as possible. How
> close is the aircraft to its level flying attitude when it's sitting on the
> ground on its landing gear. Any angle measurements (i.e. the variation
> between level flight and when on the ground) would be greatly appreciated
> please.
>
> For those that have installed the Garmin GTS-800 TCAS antenna on the cabin
> top, did you use conductive paint for your ground plane or an alternative
> method please?
>
> Warm regards & Happy New Year to all,
>
> Patrick Pulis
> Adelaide, South Australia
> # 40299
>
>
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Matt's RV-8 Rebuild... |
Dear fellow RV Builders and Flyers,
I've been working hard on the RV-8 rebuild over the holidays and thought I'd share.
Here the current status as of December 28 2012 on the new RV-8 2.0. This
quick video highlights the new instrument panel including the recently finished
cockpit audio output for the video camera. Line level output from the airplane's
intercom is routed out through the RCA outputs in the rear of the cabin
through some matching circuitry in the gold RCA connectors up to the camera's
Mic input. The matching seems to be working pretty well. The audio in the video
is coming right from the intercom and includes a mix of the intercom voice,
the music or DVD output from the Kenwood stereo, and the audio output from the
Garmin SL-30 Com unit (aircraft communications radio). Yet to be wired in is
the audio outputs from the EFIS's, the VP-200, and the ADS600B. Note also that
the video output from the camera is also routed in though the new A/V panel and
then out through the headrest LCD display for the passenger. The video is also
available on the pilot's Kenwood display. Everything is working pretty nicely.
I'm particularly pleased with the new A/V panel I/O.
Matt's HD YouTube Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xrTKAuDEyI&feature=share&list=PLB2F39639392A90DE
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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From: | Viorel Nichols <viorel.nichols(at)yahoo.com> |
Away on holiday from the 22 December 2012 till 29 January 2013
Wishing you a happy festive season .
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
from
Viorel ...
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Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna Installat |
From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
The bottom of the door frame is close to level flight. For the cabin cover the
closest area to level flight is directly between the doors. Unfortunately, Vans
does not want you mounting anything there from a roll-over strutural integrity.
This is where I put both my GPS antennas. There are wood stringer stifferners
buried in the glass that run fore and aft. If you mount the overhead
you won't be able to get to the coax unless it is mounted above one of the removable
panels. Ground planes are not required for GPS antennas to function, I
am not sure about TCAS. I believe Sean (strasnuts) has the same system you are
inquiring about.
Bill
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna |
Installat
Garmin actually does call for a ground plane for their WAAS GPS antennas.
On 12/30/2012 7:01 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
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> Ground planes are not required for GPS antennas to function, I am not sure
about TCAS. I believe Sean (strasnuts) has the same system you are inquiring
about.
> Bill
>
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> Bill
> WA0SYV
> Aviation Partners, LLC
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna Installat |
From: | "billz" <billz(at)roadrunner.com> |
I've just completed antenna installations on my cabin top. After lengthy discussions
with Folks who have installed the GTS800 as well as others, concerning
the various GPS antennas, this is what I decided to do.
1. The GPS antennas do not need an additional ground plane. The base of the antenna
provides an adequate ground plane. However, I did run some #10 wire between
the antenna mounting fasteners and to my common ground point (on the firewall),
to provide lightning protection.
2. I have the Garmin GPS (WAAS) antenna in front with the combined (experimental)GPS/WAAS
antenna behind it. I'm planning to run these three wires forward,
through the windshield support post.
3. I decided to mount the GTS 800 antenna behind the doors. After seeing the installation
on the Cessna Corvalis at Oshkosh, it seemed like a good place. The
10 deg. angle exceeds the recommended angle (5 deg.), but shouldn't be a major
performance issue. It seems to work for Cessna. This also provides a short
cable run from the antenna to the GTS 800 processor, mounted behind the baggage
compartment. I installed and 18 in diameter ground plane under the GTS 800
antenna. I used aluminum window screen. The antenna is bolted to a mounting
plate (with nutplates). The mounting plate is bolted (and epoxied) to the
cabin top and I used conductive paste between the screen and the mounting plate.
Attached are some pictures that should provide more insight into the process.
BTW, the ground plane screen is covered with epoxy to fair it into the cabin top.
The picture shows the first of many coats of epoxy.
I hope this is a help with your airplane.
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Subject: | N433RV First Flight |
From: | "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com> |
N433RV RV-10 made her maiden flight on December 29th after nearly 9 years of building.
My -10 is powered by a rebuilt Lyco IO-540, 2-blade Hartzell blended airfoil propeller,
dual Light Speed electronic ignitions, dual B&C alternators and B&C starter.
The panel includes Grand Rapids HXes and EIS, PS9000 Audio, Garmin 430W,
SL30 and GTX330 xponder, TruTrak autopilot, Navworx UAT and a few steam gauges.
It's a very nice ride.
The plane has amazing performance. KFLY is at 6800' MSL and I was at pattern altitude
before reaching the end of the runway. The controls were very responsive
and the plane did exactly what I asked. I found that my -10 has a heavy left
wing as has been reported by others. However, that should be easily remedied
by adding some aileron trim. Speaking of trim, the Final Inspection document stated
that "1/3 nose up travel" recommended for first flight. However, I found
that to be way too much (50 lbs of sand in the baggage compartment for W&B).
Neutral trim would have been a better choice - at least for me.
My first flight was cut short due to a fuel issue after about 30 minutes. Fortunately,
both pilot and plane made it safely back to the airport where I made a
surprising good landing for an RV rookie. I can hardly wait to get back in the
air after everything gets the once over.
Thanks to my family who put up with riveting, cutting and dust in our garage...
To the folks at Van's for providing a great design, to AlexD for quality transition
training, to numerous EAA Tech Counselor visits and to my builder buddies
(you know who you are!) and, of course, to tips provided by many of the folks
on this list........ I couldn't have made the journey without lots of help
from all of you!
Cheers,
Jay
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Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
From: | Bob-TCW <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
Jay. Congratulations! Enjoy.
Bob Newman
N541RV
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "hotwheels" wrote:
>
> N433RV RV-10 made her maiden flight on December 29th after nearly 9 years of
building.
>
> My -10 is powered by a rebuilt Lyco IO-540, 2-blade Hartzell blended airfoil
propeller, dual Light Speed electronic ignitions, dual B&C alternators and B&C
starter. The panel includes Grand Rapids HXes and EIS, PS9000 Audio, Garmin 430W,
SL30 and GTX330 xponder, TruTrak autopilot, Navworx UAT and a few steam gauges.
It's a very nice ride.
>
> The plane has amazing performance. KFLY is at 6800' MSL and I was at pattern
altitude before reaching the end of the runway. The controls were very responsive
and the plane did exactly what I asked. I found that my -10 has a heavy left
wing as has been reported by others. However, that should be easily remedied
by adding some aileron trim. Speaking of trim, the Final Inspection document
stated that "1/3 nose up travel" recommended for first flight. However, I found
that to be way too much (50 lbs of sand in the baggage compartment for W&B).
Neutral trim would have been a better choice - at least for me.
>
> My first flight was cut short due to a fuel issue after about 30 minutes. Fortunately,
both pilot and plane made it safely back to the airport where I made
a surprising good landing for an RV rookie. I can hardly wait to get back in
the air after everything gets the once over.
>
> Thanks to my family who put up with riveting, cutting and dust in our garage...
To the folks at Van's for providing a great design, to AlexD for quality transition
training, to numerous EAA Tech Counselor visits and to my builder buddies
(you know who you are!) and, of course, to tips provided by many of the folks
on this list........ I couldn't have made the journey without lots of help
from all of you!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391255#391255
>
>
>
>
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From: | Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
Hi Jay
Congrats on the first flight!
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2012-12-30, at 6:25 PM, "hotwheels" wrote:
>
> N433RV RV-10 made her maiden flight on December 29th after nearly 9 years of
building.
>
> My -10 is powered by a rebuilt Lyco IO-540, 2-blade Hartzell blended airfoil
propeller, dual Light Speed electronic ignitions, dual B&C alternators and B&C
starter. The panel includes Grand Rapids HXes and EIS, PS9000 Audio, Garmin 430W,
SL30 and GTX330 xponder, TruTrak autopilot, Navworx UAT and a few steam gauges.
It's a very nice ride.
>
> The plane has amazing performance. KFLY is at 6800' MSL and I was at pattern
altitude before reaching the end of the runway. The controls were very responsive
and the plane did exactly what I asked. I found that my -10 has a heavy left
wing as has been reported by others. However, that should be easily remedied
by adding some aileron trim. Speaking of trim, the Final Inspection document
stated that "1/3 nose up travel" recommended for first flight. However, I found
that to be way too much (50 lbs of sand in the baggage compartment for W&B).
Neutral trim would have been a better choice - at least for me.
>
> My first flight was cut short due to a fuel issue after about 30 minutes. Fortunately,
both pilot and plane made it safely back to the airport where I made
a surprising good landing for an RV rookie. I can hardly wait to get back in
the air after everything gets the once over.
>
> Thanks to my family who put up with riveting, cutting and dust in our garage...
To the folks at Van's for providing a great design, to AlexD for quality transition
training, to numerous EAA Tech Counselor visits and to my builder buddies
(you know who you are!) and, of course, to tips provided by many of the folks
on this list........ I couldn't have made the journey without lots of help
from all of you!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391255#391255
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0382_lr_671.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
From: | Byron Gillespie <bgill1(at)mediastreamus.net> |
Way to go. I know the feeling.
Any comments you care to share on the "fuel issue"? I always learn a lot from what
other folks find.
Byron
N253RV Flying (just need some paint)
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 30, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "hotwheels" wrote:
>
> N433RV RV-10 made her maiden flight on December 29th after nearly 9 years of
building.
>
> My -10 is powered by a rebuilt Lyco IO-540, 2-blade Hartzell blended airfoil
propeller, dual Light Speed electronic ignitions, dual B&C alternators and B&C
starter. The panel includes Grand Rapids HXes and EIS, PS9000 Audio, Garmin 430W,
SL30 and GTX330 xponder, TruTrak autopilot, Navworx UAT and a few steam gauges.
It's a very nice ride.
>
> The plane has amazing performance. KFLY is at 6800' MSL and I was at pattern
altitude before reaching the end of the runway. The controls were very responsive
and the plane did exactly what I asked. I found that my -10 has a heavy left
wing as has been reported by others. However, that should be easily remedied
by adding some aileron trim. Speaking of trim, the Final Inspection document
stated that "1/3 nose up travel" recommended for first flight. However, I found
that to be way too much (50 lbs of sand in the baggage compartment for W&B).
Neutral trim would have been a better choice - at least for me.
>
> My first flight was cut short due to a fuel issue after about 30 minutes. Fortunately,
both pilot and plane made it safely back to the airport where I made
a surprising good landing for an RV rookie. I can hardly wait to get back in
the air after everything gets the once over.
>
> Thanks to my family who put up with riveting, cutting and dust in our garage...
To the folks at Van's for providing a great design, to AlexD for quality transition
training, to numerous EAA Tech Counselor visits and to my builder buddies
(you know who you are!) and, of course, to tips provided by many of the folks
on this list........ I couldn't have made the journey without lots of help
from all of you!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391255#391255
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0382_lr_671.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna |
Installat
Once again, the Garmin GA-35 antenna recommends a ground plane. See
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=94658
Grounding the fasteners does not equal a ground plane.
On 12/30/2012 10:30 AM, billz wrote:
>
> I've just completed antenna installations on my cabin top. After lengthy discussions
with Folks who have installed the GTS800 as well as others, concerning
the various GPS antennas, this is what I decided to do.
>
> 1. The GPS antennas do not need an additional ground plane. The base of the
antenna provides an adequate ground plane. However, I did run some #10 wire between
the antenna mounting fasteners and to my common ground point (on the firewall),
to provide lightning protection.
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
From: | "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com> |
Sure... I'll share. In preparation for landing, I turned the electric fuel pump
on and smelled fuel in the cockpit. Immediately turned off the fuel pump and
landed. Then engine stopped on the runway and I coasted off.
Removed cowl and tunnel covers back at the hangar. The tunnel was dry. However,
running the electric fuel pump resulted in fuel leakage at the low pressure input
fitting to the mechanical engine driven pump. It was loose. This after numerous
engine starts, taxi tests and run ups without leakage.
What's interesting is that nothing was obviously amiss until running the electric
pump. Maybe someone else has ideas about why that might be...
Just goes to show the value of putting a wrench on as much as possible before flight
and, of course, mentally preparing for engine out events.
Regards,
Jay
[quote="bgill1(at)mediastreamus.n"]Way to go. I know the feeling.
Any comments you care to share on the "fuel issue"? I always learn a lot from what
other folks find.
Byron
N253RV Flying (just need some paint)
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From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
You are fortunate. I had same situation in an injected certified plane,
and the mechanical pump sucked enough air through the loose fitting that
the engine quit. Only running the boost pump would restore power.
Fortunately I was within 10 nm of home aerodrome.
On 12/30/2012 9:20 PM, hotwheels wrote:
>
> Sure... I'll share. In preparation for landing, I turned the electric fuel pump
on and smelled fuel in the cockpit. Immediately turned off the fuel pump and
landed. Then engine stopped on the runway and I coasted off.
>
> Removed cowl and tunnel covers back at the hangar. The tunnel was dry. However,
running the electric fuel pump resulted in fuel leakage at the low pressure
input fitting to the mechanical engine driven pump. It was loose. This after
numerous engine starts, taxi tests and run ups without leakage.
>
> What's interesting is that nothing was obviously amiss until running the electric
pump. Maybe someone else has ideas about why that might be...
>
> Just goes to show the value of putting a wrench on as much as possible before
flight and, of course, mentally preparing for engine out events.
>
> Regards,
> Jay
>
>
> [quote="bgill1(at)mediastreamus.n"]Way to go. I know the feeling.
>
> Any comments you care to share on the "fuel issue"? I always learn a lot from
what other folks find.
>
> Byron
> N253RV Flying (just need some paint)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391262#391262
>
>
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From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
I think the boost pump was pressurizing that particular junction. With the
boost pump off, that fitting would be under negative pressure, and Kelly's
scenario would be the norm. One way to check for that loose fitting would
be a leak check with the boost pump on--but I bet you've done that by now!
Glad everything worked out. We'd all like to hear some cut and dried
performance numbers from 6800 MSL this summer...I bet they're pretty good.
Dave
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:20 PM, hotwheels wrote:
>
> Sure... I'll share. In preparation for landing, I turned the electric fuel
> pump on and smelled fuel in the cockpit. Immediately turned off the fuel
> pump and landed. Then engine stopped on the runway and I coasted off.
>
> Removed cowl and tunnel covers back at the hangar. The tunnel was dry.
> However, running the electric fuel pump resulted in fuel leakage at the low
> pressure input fitting to the mechanical engine driven pump. It was loose.
> This after numerous engine starts, taxi tests and run ups without leakage.
>
> What's interesting is that nothing was obviously amiss until running the
> electric pump. Maybe someone else has ideas about why that might be...
>
> Just goes to show the value of putting a wrench on as much as possible
> before flight and, of course, mentally preparing for engine out events.
>
> Regards,
> Jay
>
>
> [quote="bgill1(at)mediastreamus.n"]Way to go. I know the feeling.
>
> Any comments you care to share on the "fuel issue"? I always learn a lot
> from what other folks find.
>
> Byron
> N253RV Flying (just need some paint)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391262#391262
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
From: | Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Well done Jay,
Safe skies my friend.
Warm regards
Patrick
On 31/12/2012, at 11:55 AM, "hotwheels" wrote:
>
> N433RV RV-10 made her maiden flight on December 29th after nearly 9 years of
building.
>
> My -10 is powered by a rebuilt Lyco IO-540, 2-blade Hartzell blended airfoil
propeller, dual Light Speed electronic ignitions, dual B&C alternators and B&C
starter. The panel includes Grand Rapids HXes and EIS, PS9000 Audio, Garmin 430W,
SL30 and GTX330 xponder, TruTrak autopilot, Navworx UAT and a few steam gauges.
It's a very nice ride.
>
> The plane has amazing performance. KFLY is at 6800' MSL and I was at pattern
altitude before reaching the end of the runway. The controls were very responsive
and the plane did exactly what I asked. I found that my -10 has a heavy left
wing as has been reported by others. However, that should be easily remedied
by adding some aileron trim. Speaking of trim, the Final Inspection document
stated that "1/3 nose up travel" recommended for first flight. However, I found
that to be way too much (50 lbs of sand in the baggage compartment for W&B).
Neutral trim would have been a better choice - at least for me.
>
> My first flight was cut short due to a fuel issue after about 30 minutes. Fortunately,
both pilot and plane made it safely back to the airport where I made
a surprising good landing for an RV rookie. I can hardly wait to get back in
the air after everything gets the once over.
>
> Thanks to my family who put up with riveting, cutting and dust in our garage...
To the folks at Van's for providing a great design, to AlexD for quality transition
training, to numerous EAA Tech Counselor visits and to my builder buddies
(you know who you are!) and, of course, to tips provided by many of the folks
on this list........ I couldn't have made the journey without lots of help
from all of you!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391255#391255
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0382_lr_671.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
Jay,
Congrats on the first flight!
I hope to be following you in another 6-8 weeks. I just have to wait to get this
cast off my foot so I can finish final assembly.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 30, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "hotwheels" wrote:
>
> N433RV RV-10 made her maiden flight on December 29th after nearly 9 years of
building.
>
> My -10 is powered by a rebuilt Lyco IO-540, 2-blade Hartzell blended airfoil
propeller, dual Light Speed electronic ignitions, dual B&C alternators and B&C
starter. The panel includes Grand Rapids HXes and EIS, PS9000 Audio, Garmin 430W,
SL30 and GTX330 xponder, TruTrak autopilot, Navworx UAT and a few steam gauges.
It's a very nice ride.
>
> The plane has amazing performance. KFLY is at 6800' MSL and I was at pattern
altitude before reaching the end of the runway. The controls were very responsive
and the plane did exactly what I asked. I found that my -10 has a heavy left
wing as has been reported by others. However, that should be easily remedied
by adding some aileron trim. Speaking of trim, the Final Inspection document
stated that "1/3 nose up travel" recommended for first flight. However, I found
that to be way too much (50 lbs of sand in the baggage compartment for W&B).
Neutral trim would have been a better choice - at least for me.
>
> My first flight was cut short due to a fuel issue after about 30 minutes. Fortunately,
both pilot and plane made it safely back to the airport where I made
a surprising good landing for an RV rookie. I can hardly wait to get back in
the air after everything gets the once over.
>
> Thanks to my family who put up with riveting, cutting and dust in our garage...
To the folks at Van's for providing a great design, to AlexD for quality transition
training, to numerous EAA Tech Counselor visits and to my builder buddies
(you know who you are!) and, of course, to tips provided by many of the folks
on this list........ I couldn't have made the journey without lots of help
from all of you!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391255#391255
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0382_lr_671.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
Well, a loose fitting there would mean that with the boost pump off, there is only
slight suction at that fitting, so the engine driven pump might have been
sucking a little bit of air (maybe what caused the engine to quit on the runway.
With the boost pump on you are the pressurizing the fuel at that fitting, which
caused it to leak. It could be that it was sealing ok with a finger tight
fitting and that the vibration of flight caused it to loosen. Torque Seal is
a great thing to use for this purpose. Not as much for Anti Sabatoge as much for
reminding us if we torqued it or not. That reminds me, I need to order some
more of that stuff.
Good thing you caught it when you did. I've noticed that's one reason it's really
nice to have blue dye in the 100LL, because slow leaks in the system show themselves.
Glad it all turned out well.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2012, at 11:20 PM, "hotwheels" wrote:
>
> Sure... I'll share. In preparation for landing, I turned the electric fuel pump
on and smelled fuel in the cockpit. Immediately turned off the fuel pump and
landed. Then engine stopped on the runway and I coasted off.
>
> Removed cowl and tunnel covers back at the hangar. The tunnel was dry. However,
running the electric fuel pump resulted in fuel leakage at the low pressure
input fitting to the mechanical engine driven pump. It was loose. This after
numerous engine starts, taxi tests and run ups without leakage.
>
> What's interesting is that nothing was obviously amiss until running the electric
pump. Maybe someone else has ideas about why that might be...
>
> Just goes to show the value of putting a wrench on as much as possible before
flight and, of course, mentally preparing for engine out events.
>
> Regards,
> Jay
>
>
>
> [quote="bgill1(at)mediastreamus.n"]Way to go. I know the feeling.
>
> Any comments you care to share on the "fuel issue"? I always learn a lot from
what other folks find.
>
> Byron
> N253RV Flying (just need some paint)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391262#391262
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna Installa |
From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a bonding nor a
ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been revised for
the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any issues with my
installation, which does not have a ground plane on either GPS antenna.
I found an old GPS antenna and decided to sacrifice it. Below is a photo of the
inside of this certified GPS antenna. The actual antenna element is etched on
the top surface of a copper clad ceramic wafer which has a copper surface covering
the entire underside (not visible in photo). The combination of the thickness
of the ceramic and the size of the element determines the electrical properties
of the antenna. This type of design is called a "patch antenna". Under
the patch antenna resides the low noise amplifier. You can see that the antenna
itself is mounted approximately 1/2" above what might be considered the
base. Any additional ground plane that may be added by mounting this antenna
to the metallic skin of the aircraft would "appear" to this patch antenna to
reside 1/2" above the actual patch antenna ground plane.
This antenna is an old design, and is probably not representative of the new low
noise semi-conductor technology nor GPS antenna design. The noise figure and
gain of the newer antennas is so far improved over the some of the original designs
that it is hardly a fair comparison. But I couldn't resist taking it apart!
Bill
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna |
Installa
The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation,
I don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the
firewall with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later
and saw noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without
one, but apparently works better with one.
On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
>
> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a bonding nor
a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been revised
for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any issues with
my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either GPS antenna.
>
>
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From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS Antenna |
Install
This is the second RV where I took the easy way for GPS and XM antenna
mounts - on top of the glare shield. I do take some black cloth and wrap
the typically white antennas to eliminate glare off the windshield. This
mounting location has worked perfectly for both RVs (GX-60 and Garmin 396 in
the RV-8A, Garmin GTN-650 and Dynon SkyView GPS in the RV-10).
Considering the ever increasing rate of change in avionics, the odds are
high that the RVs will go through panel upgrades several times during their
life (the RV-8A is 10 years old and on its third panel mod - the fourth will
come next year or so). As such, maintaining ease of avionic and associated
panel modification is an important design element for me. External GPS
antenna mounting tends to go against this principle.
My external antennas on the RV-10 are all on the belly; two bent whip
communications, a blade transponder and a blade ADSB antenna.
Carl
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Installa
The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation, I
don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the firewall
with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later and saw
noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without one, but
apparently works better with one.
On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
> -->
>
> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a bonding
nor a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been
revised for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any
issues with my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either
GPS antenna.
>
>
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From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
Carl
Where exactly in your RV-10 belly did you install the antennae? Below the
front seats? Below the feet of the rear passengers?
Thanks
Carlos
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: segunda-feira, 31 de Dezembro de 2012 16:35
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Install
-->
This is the second RV where I took the easy way for GPS and XM antenna
mounts - on top of the glare shield. I do take some black cloth and wrap
the typically white antennas to eliminate glare off the windshield. This
mounting location has worked perfectly for both RVs (GX-60 and Garmin 396 in
the RV-8A, Garmin GTN-650 and Dynon SkyView GPS in the RV-10).
Considering the ever increasing rate of change in avionics, the odds are
high that the RVs will go through panel upgrades several times during their
life (the RV-8A is 10 years old and on its third panel mod - the fourth will
come next year or so). As such, maintaining ease of avionic and associated
panel modification is an important design element for me. External GPS
antenna mounting tends to go against this principle.
My external antennas on the RV-10 are all on the belly; two bent whip
communications, a blade transponder and a blade ADSB antenna.
Carl
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Installa
The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation, I
don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the firewall
with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later and saw
noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without one, but
apparently works better with one.
On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
> -->
>
> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a
> bonding
nor a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been
revised for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any
issues with my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either
GPS antenna.
>
>
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From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all, I'm getting ready to cut the NACA vent hole(s) in my tail cone for
an overhead console and am wondering if I really need 2 vents. Seems to me
I've read comments about one vent being sufficient. Also being in Southern
Ontario, the summer temps aren't sustained for nearly as long as those of
you south of the Mason Dixon line, thus the reason I question if 2 are
needed.
Any and all opinions are welcome. Happy New Year to everyone.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
Rick, I went with just one Naca scoop in the tail cone area (just
behind baggage door) feeding my overhead console. It has provided
plenty of air from overhead. There=99s a few pictures in my web
album starting with this one:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102955683430141812381/CoolingFans#5576300260
864810306
Bob Newman
N541RV
From: Rick Lark
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Naca Vents
Hi all, I'm getting ready to cut the NACA vent hole(s) in my tail cone
for an overhead console and am wondering if I really need 2 vents.
Seems to me I've read comments about one vent being sufficient. Also
being in Southern Ontario, the summer temps aren't sustained for nearly
as long as those of you south of the Mason Dixon line, thus the reason I
question if 2 are needed.
Any and all opinions are welcome. Happy New Year to everyone.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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From: | "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> |
Rick I would still put 2 in. I have 2 and in the summer you get some air
from them when taxiing. It is not a lot
but sure helps when it is hot. You can always close the vents or for you put
in the NACA control
valve from Aerosport Products. You can shut the whole system down in the
winter with the controller and open it up in the
summer. Its easier to do it now then later. It will take maybe 1 hour more
for the extra vent.
FWIW
Geoff Combs
Aerosport
www.aerosportproducts.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Naca Vents
Hi all, I'm getting ready to cut the NACA vent hole(s) in my tail cone for
an overhead console and am wondering if I really need 2 vents. Seems to me
I've read comments about one vent being sufficient. Also being in Southern
Ontario, the summer temps aren't sustained for nearly as long as those of
you south of the Mason Dixon line, thus the reason I question if 2 are
needed.
Any and all opinions are welcome. Happy New Year to everyone.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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From: | "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
Carl, On my -10, my two bent whip com antennas are under the rear
passenger seats, my ADS-b UAT blade antenna is about 3 feet back from the
rear baggage bulkhead, my transponder antenna is about 1 foot back from
the firewall and pops up into the tunnel.
My 3 gps antennas are mounted to a metal plate about 8 inch wide and 12
inches long, this plate of antennas is hidden in my overhead console, with
the antennas looking through fiberglass top. (note I took signal strength
readings with this plate of antennas inside the aircraft as described and
out of the aircraft with no fiberglass between the antennas and the
satellites, absolutely no change in signal strengths)
Bob Newman
N541RV
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Trigo
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Antennae Install
Carl
Where exactly in your RV-10 belly did you install the antennae? Below the
front seats? Below the feet of the rear passengers?
Thanks
Carlos
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: segunda-feira, 31 de Dezembro de 2012 16:35
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Install
-->
This is the second RV where I took the easy way for GPS and XM antenna
mounts - on top of the glare shield. I do take some black cloth and wrap
the typically white antennas to eliminate glare off the windshield. This
mounting location has worked perfectly for both RVs (GX-60 and Garmin 396 in
the RV-8A, Garmin GTN-650 and Dynon SkyView GPS in the RV-10).
Considering the ever increasing rate of change in avionics, the odds are
high that the RVs will go through panel upgrades several times during their
life (the RV-8A is 10 years old and on its third panel mod - the fourth will
come next year or so). As such, maintaining ease of avionic and associated
panel modification is an important design element for me. External GPS
antenna mounting tends to go against this principle.
My external antennas on the RV-10 are all on the belly; two bent whip
communications, a blade transponder and a blade ADSB antenna.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Installa
The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation, I
don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the firewall
with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later and saw
noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without one, but
apparently works better with one.
On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
> -->
>
> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a
> bonding
nor a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been
revised for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any
issues with my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either
GPS antenna.
>
>
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From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
The transponder antenna is below the passenger's seat. Both communication
antennas are mounted below the tunnel (but along the side edges of the
tunnel, one left and one right). One just aft of the mid bell crank and the
second one is mounted just aft of the rear seats. The are both positioned
on the sides of the tunnel to preclude interference with the elevator push
tubes. The ADSB blade antenna is mounted aft of the baggage compartment. I
pick this location as I am mounting the ADSB receiver back there with it
(Dynon unit), and it places it well away from the transponder antenna. All
locations allow for access to the antennas for maintenance or replacement.
Mounting antennas in areas like below the rear passenger's feet or seats is
a problem as you will not have access to them - unless of course you add
some access panels.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Antennae Install
Carl
Where exactly in your RV-10 belly did you install the antennae? Below the
front seats? Below the feet of the rear passengers?
Thanks
Carlos
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: segunda-feira, 31 de Dezembro de 2012 16:35
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Install
-->
This is the second RV where I took the easy way for GPS and XM antenna
mounts - on top of the glare shield. I do take some black cloth and wrap
the typically white antennas to eliminate glare off the windshield. This
mounting location has worked perfectly for both RVs (GX-60 and Garmin 396 in
the RV-8A, Garmin GTN-650 and Dynon SkyView GPS in the RV-10).
Considering the ever increasing rate of change in avionics, the odds are
high that the RVs will go through panel upgrades several times during their
life (the RV-8A is 10 years old and on its third panel mod - the fourth will
come next year or so). As such, maintaining ease of avionic and associated
panel modification is an important design element for me. External GPS
antenna mounting tends to go against this principle.
My external antennas on the RV-10 are all on the belly; two bent whip
communications, a blade transponder and a blade ADSB antenna.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
Antenna Installa
The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation, I
don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the firewall
with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later and saw
noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without one, but
apparently works better with one.
On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
> -->
>
> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a
> bonding
nor a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been
revised for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any
issues with my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either
GPS antenna.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
My antenna on the bottom are very similar to Bob's. I also have a nav antenna
under the tail. I have two gps antenna just behind the cabin cover and another
two on the glare shield.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:53 PM, "bob-tcw" wrote:
>
> Carl, On my -10, my two bent whip com antennas are under the rear passenger
seats, my ADS-b UAT blade antenna is about 3 feet back from the rear baggage
bulkhead, my transponder antenna is about 1 foot back from the firewall
and pops up into the tunnel.
>
> My 3 gps antennas are mounted to a metal plate about 8 inch wide and 12 inches
long, this plate of antennas is hidden in my overhead console, with the antennas
looking through fiberglass top. (note I took signal strength readings with
this plate of antennas inside the aircraft as described and out of the aircraft
with no fiberglass between the antennas and the satellites, absolutely no
change in signal strengths)
>
> Bob Newman
> N541RV
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Trigo
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:16 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Antennae Install
>
>
> Carl
>
> Where exactly in your RV-10 belly did you install the antennae? Below the
> front seats? Below the feet of the rear passengers?
>
> Thanks
> Carlos
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
> Sent: segunda-feira, 31 de Dezembro de 2012 16:35
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
> Antenna Install
>
> -->
>
> This is the second RV where I took the easy way for GPS and XM antenna
> mounts - on top of the glare shield. I do take some black cloth and wrap
> the typically white antennas to eliminate glare off the windshield. This
> mounting location has worked perfectly for both RVs (GX-60 and Garmin 396 in
> the RV-8A, Garmin GTN-650 and Dynon SkyView GPS in the RV-10).
>
> Considering the ever increasing rate of change in avionics, the odds are
> high that the RVs will go through panel upgrades several times during their
> life (the RV-8A is 10 years old and on its third panel mod - the fourth will
> come next year or so). As such, maintaining ease of avionic and associated
> panel modification is an important design element for me. External GPS
> antenna mounting tends to go against this principle.
>
> My external antennas on the RV-10 are all on the belly; two bent whip
> communications, a blade transponder and a blade ADSB antenna.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:32 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console Final Installation & TCAS
> Antenna Installa
>
>
> The ground plane recommendation is in the install instructions for the
> GA35 antenna, which was released with the 430W upgrade. Whether the
> instructions were changed later to add the ground plane recommendation, I
> don't know, as I obtained my antenna this fall.
> One poster on VAF mentioned that he put his antenna forward of the firewall
> with minimal ground plane, then added bigger ground plane later and saw
> noticeable performance improvement. So yes, it works without one, but
> apparently works better with one.
>
> On 12/31/2012 8:20 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
>> -->
>>
>> The Garmin GNS 430W and the G3X install manuals do not specify a
>> bonding
> nor a ground plane for the GPS antenna. I suspect that this may have been
> revised for the GTN manuals to add the requirement. I have not seen any
> issues with my installation, which does not have a ground plane on either
> GPS antenna.
>
>
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> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
I put a pair of them in, along with an Aerosport Products vent controller.
Like Geoff mentioned, in the air one is probably enough, but while taxiing y
ou'll want them both wide open in the summer.
You might drop Ivan an email and see what his experiences are in Guelph.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
> Hi all, I'm getting ready to cut the NACA vent hole(s) in my tail cone for
an overhead console and am wondering if I really need 2 vents. Seems to me
I've read comments about one vent being sufficient. Also being in Southern
Ontario, the summer temps aren't sustained for nearly as long as those of y
ou south of the Mason Dixon line, thus the reason I question if 2 are needed
.
>
> Any and all opinions are welcome. Happy New Year to everyone.
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
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From: | Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
I have two in the back as well. I vote for two.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 31, 2012, at 13:58, Bob Leffler wrote:
> I put a pair of them in, along with an Aerosport Products vent controller.
Like Geoff mentioned, in the air one is probably enough, but while taxiin
g you'll want them both wide open in the summer.
>
> You might drop Ivan an email and see what his experiences are in Guelph.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I'm getting ready to cut the NACA vent hole(s) in my tail cone fo
r an overhead console and am wondering if I really need 2 vents. Seems to m
e I've read comments about one vent being sufficient. Also being in Souther
n Ontario, the summer temps aren't sustained for nearly as long as those of y
ou south of the Mason Dixon line, thus the reason I question if 2 are needed
.
>>
>> Any and all opinions are welcome. Happy New Year to everyone.
>>
>> Rick
>> #40956
>> Southampton, Ont
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Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Transponder under pilot seat. Com under passenger seat (yes, this is best done
before installing the seat pan. I put a doubler with nutplates, and ran the coax,
before closing it up.). GPS antenna behind the baggage bulkhead, on top of
the tailcone. Archer wingtip for VOR/ LOC.
Putting the GPS on top of the cabin looked best to me from a reception point of
view, but worst as far as drag is concerned. Comments?
Once in a while I have trouble with ATC when I am on the ground using the belly
antenna. For those times my #2 com antenna, an Archer clone in the other wing
tip, works better. In the air the belly whip is better.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391301#391301
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Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Comm 1 on top of fuse behind baggage bulkhead with doubler, comm 2 bottom under
baggage floor with doubler. I did this for good communication on ground since
I am mostly at towered airports. I located an Archer nav antenna in each wing
tip, and the MB antenna is in the left wing tip. Both GPS and GPS/Xm antennas
are centered on top of cabin cover. Xponder under pilot seat, ADSB is 2ft.
behind baggage bulkhead.
I can not complain about drag, I am still seeing 177kts @75% TAS
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
While slick skin appearance is appealing, I doubt the drag of a GPS antenna
is all that much. While I would like the approach of putting GPS antenna
under the canopy inside the overhead, it would be very tight and require
right angle TNC connector at a minimum. I may still do that for the Dynon
GPS, but the Garmin GA-35 is considerably taller. Also, the overhead being
carbon fiber would limit antenna view of satellites low on the horizon. I
was going to do what you plan with Com 1 on top, but as I debated
positioning with wife, she didn't like looks of it up there, and the fact
it couldn't go on center without cutting stiffener, so am going with 2 coms
under rear seat. I've done plenty of testing with CI-122 antenna on belly
of my Mooney and have no issues with ground communications using it, or
compared to its com 1 that is on top of fuselage. I see a bit of difference
between the two, but probably more that Com 1 is MAC1700/KX170B and com 2
is KX155.
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:37 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
>
> Comm 1 on top of fuse behind baggage bulkhead with doubler, comm 2 bottom
> under baggage floor with doubler. I did this for good communication on
> ground since I am mostly at towered airports. I located an Archer nav
> antenna in each wing tip, and the MB antenna is in the left wing tip. Both
> GPS and GPS/Xm antennas are centered on top of cabin cover. Xponder under
> pilot seat, ADSB is 2ft. behind baggage bulkhead.
> I can not complain about drag, I am still seeing 177kts @75% TAS
>
> --------
> Bill
> WA0SYV
> Aviation Partners, LLC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391329#391329
>
>
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From: | Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> |
Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
Bill,
I plan for a similar setup (except remote transponder behind baggage
compartment), any pictures about your mounting positions and doublers?
Thanks and I wish everyone a good start into 2013!
Werner
On 01.01.2013 16:37, bill.peyton wrote:
>
> Comm 1 on top of fuse behind baggage bulkhead with doubler, comm 2 bottom under
baggage floor with doubler. I did this for good communication on ground since
I am mostly at towered airports. I located an Archer nav antenna in each wing
tip, and the MB antenna is in the left wing tip. Both GPS and GPS/Xm antennas
are centered on top of cabin cover. Xponder under pilot seat, ADSB is 2ft.
behind baggage bulkhead.
> I can not complain about drag, I am still seeing 177kts @75% TAS
>
> --------
> Bill
> WA0SYV
> Aviation Partners, LLC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391329#391329
>
>
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From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
It's too easy to add that second vent now.
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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Subject: | Re: Antennae Install |
From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
Comm 1 and Comm 2 on the belly under the rear seats - I've never had a reception
problem on the ground. Transponder on the belly a couple of feet behind the
baggage bulkhead. Archer Nav ant in the wingtip along with an archer MB. Seems
to work fine, although I've never found a marker beacon to fly over, yet.
Garmin GPS on roof, and GRT GPS on glareshield. Both work fine, but only the Garmin
does lose the signal in certain areas for a few seconds - avoid Senoia Georgia
(g). 406 ELT on top, just aft of baggage bulkhead - you don't even notice
it.
Saving the space under the pilot seats for the ADS-B shark fin. Used 400U for all
antenna runs.
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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From: | "Billy Britton" <william(at)gbta.net> |
Subject: | W-1028 J-Stiffeners |
While drilling my inboard (short) J-stiffener for the bottom wing skins
the last foot or so somehow moved on me. This resulted in off-centered
holes on the last 8-10 inches of the stiffener. Is there any reason I
cannot cut the end off and just replace it with a new piece overlapping
maybe 3-4 holes?
Bill
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Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
From: | "charliewaffles" <mcooper(at)live.com> |
You could do a hybrid solution. Those SEM catridges can be re-used. So you could
get two of the cartridges and a quart of proseal. When the cartridge is used
up, you pull the plunger and wait for it to cure, pull the proseal out and refill
from the quart container.
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From: | "JimVillani" <Jim(at)JimVillani.com> |
Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
You could also go to Home Depot, Buy a $2 tube of latex calk, empty the
cartridge and use it...
Works GREAT!!!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of charliewaffles
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Proseal cartridges
You could do a hybrid solution. Those SEM catridges can be re-used. So you
could get two of the cartridges and a quart of proseal. When the cartridge
is used up, you pull the plunger and wait for it to cure, pull the proseal
out and refill from the quart container.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391456#391456
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From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
Subject: | RV-10 nose gear failure |
http://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/media
/M_0102_N.txt
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From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
On 1/2/2013 11:08 AM, JimVillani wrote:
>
> You could also go to Home Depot, Buy a $2 tube of latex calk, empty the
> cartridge and use it...
> Works GREAT!!!
>
You know, after seeing the reply on the empty tubes, I was
thinking that same thing to myself....."why can't I just buy
a nice plastic tube of caulk and do the same dang thing".
That's a great idea.
Sold!
Tim
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Subject: | Re: RV-10 nose gear failure |
From: | "rleffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
Looks like Bob Kaufman's RV-10. I don't think Bob participates on the list.
Rick S., are your aware what happened?
bob
--------
Bob Leffler
N410BL - Paint - 90% done, 90% to go stage
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
From: | "rleffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
I bought empty cartridges to fill. I found it much easier just to mix on a paper
plate and use a tongue depressor to apply, that to go through the fuss of filling
the tube. It also cut down on your working time, but then it took me awhile
to get the tube filled.
You can buy empty cartridges from the local supply shops. They're pretty inexpensive.
I do know somebody that has one of the large cartridges from Van's with I believe
a 3/13 expiration that I'm sure he'll make a deal if somebody wanted it. Email
me for the contact information if interested.
bob
--------
Bob Leffler
N410BL - Paint - 90% done, 90% to go stage
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
Subject: | W-1028 J-Stiffeners |
Bill, one RV I worked on the builder had cut a fuse J stiffener about a foot
short. He didn't want to have a gap between the stiffener and the skin at
the overlap so we cut a piece to butt up to the too-short stiffener and
covered it with a section of J-stiffener, don't recall how many rivets we
overlapped on each side. The Acceptable Methods book should be your guide to
things like this. Keep building, it will be a ton of fun someday to fly.
Albert Gardner
RV-10 N991RV
Yuma, AZ
PS: I'm currently assisting on an RV-8 and a Murphy Rebel. We RV builders
have the easy street I can tell you.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy Britton
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:46 AM
Subject: RV10-List: W-1028 J-Stiffeners
While drilling my inboard (short) J-stiffener for the bottom wing skins the
last foot or so somehow moved on me. This resulted in off-centered holes on
the last 8-10 inches of the stiffener. Is there any reason I cannot cut the
end off and just replace it with a new piece overlapping maybe 3-4 holes?
Bill
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From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
Subject: | Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure |
Came across some pictures of the plane. Looks like the front gear ripped off
and there is oil all over the belly, not sure which one came first however.
Not to spread a theory, but my understanding is that the plane did not flare
completely when it contacted the runway, possible pushrod related. Only the
NTSB report and Bob can confirm that.
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Subject: | Re: Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure |
From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
Purely speculation, but I gotta figure that the oil on the belly was there
before the nose gear collapse. There is a good amount of oil, and it's wind
blown all the way back to the tail.
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Pascal wrote:
> Came across some pictures of the plane. Looks like the front gear ripped
> off and there is oil all over the belly, not sure which one came first
> however.
>
> Not to spread a theory, but my understanding is that the plane did not
> flare completely when it contacted the runway, possible pushrod related.
> Only the NTSB report and Bob can confirm that.
>
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From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
Subject: | Was: RV-10 nose gear failure Now: Uncle Doug |
Sort of reminds me of our uncle Doug during primary flight training:
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Doug is the one in front. He said not much he could do all of a sudden he w
as pointing nose down.
I sponsored a private BBQ fly-in for years and at one point flew Doug out t
o see some of the planes he flew during WWII.
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Doug piloted over 30 missions in the B-25 (forgive me if I have the aircraf
t wrong)
He said he could not believe how big it was today as he use to jump into it
like it was a Cherokee.
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Doug retired as a full Colonel and flew into his mid 70's.
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Robin
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From: | "JimVillani" <Jim(at)JimVillani.com> |
Subject: | Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure |
The Elevator Rod came loose from the control stick Page 39-10.
He lost control (the bolt fell out) about 75 ft off the ground at short
final
(After flying from Reno to Las Vegas....)
Both pilot and passenger walked away...
I was there...
It happened 12-31-12 at North Las Vegas Airport.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fw: RV-10 nose gear failure
Came across some pictures of the plane. Looks like the front gear ripped off
and there is oil all over the belly, not sure which one came first however.
Not to spread a theory, but my understanding is that the plane did not flare
completely when it contacted the runway, possible pushrod related. Only the
NTSB report and Bob can confirm that.
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Subject: | Re: RV-10 nose gear failure |
From: | "Rick S." <heeder777(at)yahoo.com> |
Jim,
Do you mean the pushrod end that has the self locking nut and safety wire To secure
the rod end. Not sure how you saw that flying around the pattern. I suggest
you let Bob speak for himself and let the investigation take its course without
speculation.
Rick Sked
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Rick S.
RV-10
40185
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From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
Subject: | Re: RV-10 nose gear failure |
Bob did tell me the oil on the belly was from the engine break in blow-by.
Not engine related. . Many of us know that there are some steps we
completely missed in the final inspection, it is quick possible something
came loose and if so I hope it will reinforce to the rest of us to make sure
we don't skim through anything. This goes for pre-flight.
I agree, at this point Bob will need to update the group, on the facts,
anything else is a theory. The good news is the plane did it's job and he
and his passenger walked away.
I am fascinated by NTSB reports, there is always something someone can gain
from, sadly, someone elses accident, and hopefully not repeat it oneself. I
received a invite to a webinar Jan 15, Gene Benson does a good job of
reviewing cases and talking about how one can avoid doing the same thing.
http://genebenson.com/call_the_ball/ctb_webinar.html
hope it helps someone as much as his previous presentations have helped me.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick S.
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 nose gear failure
Jim,
Do you mean the pushrod end that has the self locking nut and safety wire To
secure the rod end. Not sure how you saw that flying around the pattern. I
suggest you let Bob speak for himself and let the investigation take its
course without speculation.
Rick Sked
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Rick S.
RV-10
40185
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From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: N433RV First Flight |
Congratulations Jay!!!
I didn't recognize the email but when I saw first flight, I was hoping
it was you.
Feels great... gets even better. Enjoy.
Bill Watson
On 12/30/2012 8:25 PM, hotwheels wrote:
>
> N433RV RV-10 made her maiden flight on December 29th after nearly 9 years of
building.
>
> My -10 is powered by a rebuilt Lyco IO-540, 2-blade Hartzell blended airfoil
propeller, dual Light Speed electronic ignitions, dual B&C alternators and B&C
starter. The panel includes Grand Rapids HXes and EIS, PS9000 Audio, Garmin 430W,
SL30 and GTX330 xponder, TruTrak autopilot, Navworx UAT and a few steam gauges.
It's a very nice ride.
>
> The plane has amazing performance. KFLY is at 6800' MSL and I was at pattern
altitude before reaching the end of the runway. The controls were very responsive
and the plane did exactly what I asked. I found that my -10 has a heavy left
wing as has been reported by others. However, that should be easily remedied
by adding some aileron trim. Speaking of trim, the Final Inspection document
stated that "1/3 nose up travel" recommended for first flight. However, I found
that to be way too much (50 lbs of sand in the baggage compartment for W&B).
Neutral trim would have been a better choice - at least for me.
>
> My first flight was cut short due to a fuel issue after about 30 minutes. Fortunately,
both pilot and plane made it safely back to the airport where I made
a surprising good landing for an RV rookie. I can hardly wait to get back in
the air after everything gets the once over.
>
> Thanks to my family who put up with riveting, cutting and dust in our garage...
To the folks at Van's for providing a great design, to AlexD for quality transition
training, to numerous EAA Tech Counselor visits and to my builder buddies
(you know who you are!) and, of course, to tips provided by many of the folks
on this list........ I couldn't have made the journey without lots of help
from all of you!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
>
>
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Subject: | Re: RV-10 nose gear failure |
From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Preliminary reports: I noticed both reports said "passengers zero, crew two".
Maybe anyone in the front must be a crew member!
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | All New RV-14 List At Matronics! |
Dear RV'rs,
I've just setup an all new RV-14 email list and forum on the Matronics servers.
Please surf over and register for and email account and access to the Forums.
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Enjoy!
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Status: 129+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
From: | "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com> |
Tim,
You could also use these:
http://www.merrittsupply.com/products/27915-west-system-fillable-caulking-tube-pn-810-24.aspx
They are just empty caulking tubes. Cheap enough to not have to worry about cleaning
them up.
Lenny
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391615#391615
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Subject: | Re: Proseal cartridges |
From: | "Ron B." <ronbelliveau(at)eastlink.ca> |
By utilizing used caulk tubes, are we not concerned about contamination and what
it might do to proseal cure?
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391629#391629
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Subject: | Control Column Deflection & Length |
From: | Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au> |
I have one of Geoff Coombs carbon fibre instrument panels and I need to trim the
control column to enable my CS stick grip to clear the panel.
The measured measured control column deflections with no interference on the instrument
panel are as follows:
Fore: 69.9 degrees
Aft: 65.5 degrees
Port: 60.2 degrees
Starboard: 54.4 degrees
It would be interested to see what others are getting in the way of control column
deflections?
In order of my stick to clear the bottom of the instrument panel I will not only
need to cut the control column to its base, but also bend the control column
to ensure that the stick grip clears the panel!
I know of at least one other builder who has needed to both trim and bend the control
column, I would be interested to hear what other builders who have/are
fitting a carbon fibre panel have done please?
Warm regards
Patrick
South Australia
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Subject: | GTS-800 Upper TCAS Antenna Installation - Another Option |
From: | Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au> |
For those that are interested, we just completed installing the upper TCAS a
ntenna which needs to be mounted to as near as level as practicable, inclusi
ve of a ground plane. We elected to make up a foam moulding which we covered
with resin and cloth to suit the shape of the cabin top and of sufficient s
ize to mount the antenna using nut plates.
We placed a layer of tissue cloth and resin down over the cabin top before m
ounting the antenna plinth on the cabin top to seal the top as we found the c
abin top to be porous when we trialled a vacuum bag over the plinth moulding
.
Once cured (next night) we placed the plinth down (putting removable rubber p
lugs in the nut plates to prevent resin from entering and blocking them up),
then a layer of bronze wire mesh (about 18" x 18"), another layer of tissue
cloth; wetted that down with resin, then a 4oz cloth to overlap over the ed
ge of the mesh, wetting all down.
We cut out the cloth to leave the mesh open where the antenna will be mounte
d on the plinth, to enable the mesh to make contact with the base of the ant
enna.
We then vacuum bagged the whole affair down, until the bronze mesh profiled a
round the moulding of the plinth and flat onto the cabin top. All up, we ke
pt up the vacuum for about 3 hours until the resin cured.
We removed the plastic vacuum bagging this afternoon and it was all silky sm
ooth, with some minor feathering of the edges into the cabin top with some b
ody filler.
It was a little challenging but it worked out well. The plinth is about 1" h
igh and the ground plane a little thicker than the thickness of the mesh and
cloth.
I hope this helps those out there who are contemplating a TCAS installation.
The underside TCAS antenna will be mounted beneath the rear starboard seat
near the tunnel.
Warm regards
Patrick
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