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October 24, 2013 - December 06, 2013
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner cutouts |
Hmm, I'd be surprised if Lycoming had that information, but Hartzell
likely has it, because Hartzell makes spinners for their props.
On 10/24/2013 1:02 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
> Chris
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> Lycoming can issue you with the correct cut out template. I don't have
> it on my iPad, however ill send it to you once I'm on my computer.
>
> Warm regards
>
> Patrick Pulis
>
>
> On 21 Oct 2013, at 8:33, "Chris Hukill" > wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to determine the optimum cutout dimensions for the blades
>> on the 2 bladed Hartzell blended airfoil prop as Vans sells, using
>> the standard spinner kit. The instructions tell you to rotate the
>> blades thru full travel to check for clearance, however I don't have
>> an engine to mount the prop to yet, and it's not possible to move the
>> blades without one. I am trying to get as tight of fit as is
>> possible. I have looked at production airplane's installations, and
>> they have a much larger clearance than I would consider aesthetic.
>> Has anyone made a template or drawings that would provide the
>> dimensions that I need?
>> Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner cutouts |
| From: | John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com> |
Is this what you are looking for?
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Hmm, I'd be surprised if Lycoming had that information, but Hartzell
> likely has it, because Hartzell makes spinners for their props.
>
> On 10/24/2013 1:02 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
>
>> Chris
>>
>> Lycoming can issue you with the correct cut out template. I don't have it
>> on my iPad, however ill send it to you once I'm on my computer.
>>
>> Warm regards
>>
>> Patrick Pulis
>>
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2013, at 8:33, "Chris Hukill" > cjhukill(at)cox.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to determine the optimum cutout dimensions for the blades on
>>> the 2 bladed Hartzell blended airfoil prop as Vans sells, using the
>>> standard spinner kit. The instructions tell you to rotate the blades thru
>>> full travel to check for clearance, however I don't have an engine to mount
>>> the prop to yet, and it's not possible to move the blades without one. I am
>>> trying to get as tight of fit as is possible. I have looked at production
>>> airplane's installations, and they have a much larger clearance than I
>>> would consider aesthetic. Has anyone made a template or drawings that would
>>> provide the dimensions that I need?
>>> Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest 2013 |
| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
All set up due south of the Van's display. Easier to get to now that the fence
is gone. Lots of seating and shade. Cold drinks in the cooler.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411376#411376
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| From: | Terry Moushon <tmoushon(at)gmail.com> |
I am Considering the Dynon D10A as a backup EFIS. I noted that the operating temp
range limit was 122F on the high side. As a reference point, I compared it
to the temp range of the L-3's Trilogy ESI-1000 which is 165F on the high side.
I would appreciate the observations from those of you that have used this
unit. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon D10A EFIS |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> |
Terry,
I use the D10A as a backup and have been very pleased with it. The internal
2 hour battery is what sold me initially (although in 2006 there weren't a lot
of options). It does have some heat issues and I had to put a cooling fan
above it (it is at the top of my stack) which conveniently serves as a defroster
just in case. Since then I have had no problems whatsoever and it saved my
bacon once already when the alternator gave out.
Marcus
On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Terry Moushon wrote:
I am Considering the Dynon D10A as a backup EFIS. I noted that the operating temp
range limit was 122F on the high side. As a reference point, I compared it
to the temp range of the L-3's Trilogy ESI-1000 which is 165F on the high side.
I would appreciate the observations from those of you that have used this
unit. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon D10A EFIS |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
We used one as a primary for years. A few temp issues when parked in the sun for
a period of time, but never in flight.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Terry Moushon wrote:
>
>
> I am Considering the Dynon D10A as a backup EFIS. I noted that the operating
temp range limit was 122F on the high side. As a reference point, I compared
it to the temp range of the L-3's Trilogy ESI-1000 which is 165F on the high side.
I would appreciate the observations from those of you that have used this
unit. Thanks
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon D10A EFIS |
| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
More of the same: it's a good unit but it can overheat so plan
accordingly. I installed a very small cooling fan after it blanked a couple
times and it's been fine now for 1000 hrs.
On Saturday, October 26, 2013, Terry Moushon wrote:
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> I am Considering the Dynon D10A as a backup EFIS. I noted that the
> operating temp range limit was 122=C2=B0F on the high side. As a referen
ce
> point, I compared it to the temp range of the L-3's Trilogy ESI-1000 whic
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> is 165=C2=B0F on the high side. I would appreciate the observations from
those
> of you that have used this unit. Thanks
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dynon D10A EFIS |
Why not go with the Dynon D1 that is less money, doesn't need pitot
static system hookups and gives you most of what the D10A will?
Granted you would be depending on GPS ground speed and ground track, but
in most cases that isn't a big deal if you know what the wind is at
point of intended landing. I guess it partly depends on where your main
EFIS connection to ADAHRS and pitot/static system is located. Mine is in
tail cone to avoid moving magnetic sources, so I didn't plumb pitot and
static lines up to instrument panel.
On 10/26/2013 3:56 PM, Terry Moushon wrote:
>
> I am Considering the Dynon D10A as a backup EFIS. I noted that the operating
temp range limit was 122F on the high side. As a reference point, I compared
it to the temp range of the L-3's Trilogy ESI-1000 which is 165F on the high side.
I would appreciate the observations from those of you that have used this
unit. Thanks
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
| From: | "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com> |
I went out on a weekend x-country flight (6 hours) and noticed some strange behavior.
In cruise, my fuel flow readings would occasionally fluctuate between 9.5 and 10.5
gph without me touching anything... At the same time, the fuel psi changed
from ~18 (normal) and 14psi. At 14 the engine would stumble. Same behavior on
either tank... even after richening the mixture. Turning on the electric fuel
pump caused the symptom to go away. No obvious leaks and no fuel smells.
I'm wondering if I too have an issue lurking in the pump department. It's nearly
time for my annual, so it's good timing as everything has to come apart anyway.
Jay
N433RV - flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411584#411584
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest 2013 |
Myron;
Sorry I missed the last carne asada this weekend. We were completely
weathered in all weekend in SoCal, I was looking forward to seeing everyone.
Maybe next time there is the "last and final", even if it means you fly in
the RV versus drive in.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: woxofswa
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest 2013
All set up due south of the Van's display. Easier to get to now that the
fence is gone. Lots of seating and shade. Cold drinks in the cooler.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411376#411376
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV-10 Nest 2013 |
| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
This was a strange year RV-10 wise. I can only think of two on the ground at any
one time, Rob Hickman's, and a new one from Houston. In years past we've had
upwards of 10 or more. Lots of "regulars " over several years didn't make it
this year. Vendors I talked to said attendance was down, but higher percentage
of serious buyers. My unofficial guess would be that RV-8's ruled the show,
even with a formation flyby. Oh, and gyro copters, they seemed to be always in
the pattern. Lack of a tower seemed to be no big deal even with jets mixing
with ultralights.
Our lunch numbers were down a bit this year, but those who came were fun, hungry,
and generous. First time we've ever served all the asada we brought.
The camping area was nice that it is now paved and seemed as full as any year.
The weather was perfect and as far as I could tell, no aluminum or fabric was damaged.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411601#411601
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| From: | "JimVillani" <Jim(at)JimVillani.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
I seem to have the same problem when the RV10 is in warmer climates (Hangar
in Las Vegas)... I take off out of colder climates Parowan Utah (5970 MSL)
32 degrees or so (with Cool Fuel) and the problem seems to disappear.
I replaced the mechanical fuel pump about 30 hours ago thinking it was the
pump.
No change with the new pump.
Fuel flow always remains the same, Boost pump makes the pressure issue go
away...
Jim Villani
Kit# 41084
N10KQ
142.7 and counting
Jim(at)JimVillani.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of hotwheels
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Pump Issue
I went out on a weekend x-country flight (6 hours) and noticed some strange
behavior.
In cruise, my fuel flow readings would occasionally fluctuate between 9.5
and 10.5 gph without me touching anything... At the same time, the fuel psi
changed from ~18 (normal) and 14psi. At 14 the engine would stumble. Same
behavior on either tank... even after richening the mixture. Turning on the
electric fuel pump caused the symptom to go away. No obvious leaks and no
fuel smells.
I'm wondering if I too have an issue lurking in the pump department. It's
nearly time for my annual, so it's good timing as everything has to come
apart anyway.
Jay
N433RV - flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411584#411584
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
I suspect that some of the fuel pump issues are the fuel line rise to the
selector valve as Van's plans call for. Some of us have worked to lower
the valve as much as possible in the tunnel to reduce the uphill pull from
the tanks. The mechanical pump can only generate about 1-2 psi of suction
to pull fuel over that rise. Lowering the fuel pressure with that suction
is going to make it easier for fuel to vaporize and create bubbles in the
line. Pump does not do well with bubbles.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:53 AM, JimVillani wrote:
>
> I seem to have the same problem when the RV10 is in warmer climates (Hangar
> in Las Vegas)... I take off out of colder climates Parowan Utah (5970 MSL)
> 32 degrees or so (with Cool Fuel) and the problem seems to disappear.
> I replaced the mechanical fuel pump about 30 hours ago thinking it was the
> pump.
> No change with the new pump.
> Fuel flow always remains the same, Boost pump makes the pressure issue go
> away...
>
> Jim Villani
> Kit# 41084
> N10KQ
> 142.7 and counting
> Jim(at)JimVillani.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of hotwheels
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:43 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Pump Issue
>
>
> I went out on a weekend x-country flight (6 hours) and noticed some strange
> behavior.
>
> In cruise, my fuel flow readings would occasionally fluctuate between 9.5
> and 10.5 gph without me touching anything... At the same time, the fuel psi
> changed from ~18 (normal) and 14psi. At 14 the engine would stumble. Same
> behavior on either tank... even after richening the mixture. Turning on the
> electric fuel pump caused the symptom to go away. No obvious leaks and no
> fuel smells.
>
> I'm wondering if I too have an issue lurking in the pump department. It's
> nearly time for my annual, so it's good timing as everything has to come
> apart anyway.
>
> Jay
> N433RV - flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411584#411584
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
| From: | "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm using an Andair selector and the valve is pretty low in the tunnel as I had
to buy an extender to reach it. Have occasionally seen engine stumble during
very high AOA stall work if electric full pump is not running. Same when switching
fuel tanks, but not always. Is 18psi fuel pressure off mechanical within
"normal" range?
Thanks,
Jay
N433RV - flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411613#411613
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
| From: | Tcwtech <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
You may want to read over this write up I did last year on this issue. I t
hink this may be your issue.
http://tcwtech.com/Fuel%20flow%20write-up.pdf
Bob Newman
N541RV
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:42 AM, "hotwheels" wrote:
>
> I went out on a weekend x-country flight (6 hours) and noticed some strang
e behavior.
>
> In cruise, my fuel flow readings would occasionally fluctuate between 9.5 a
nd 10.5 gph without me touching anything... At the same time, the fuel psi c
hanged from ~18 (normal) and 14psi. At 14 the engine would stumble. Same beh
avior on either tank... even after richening the mixture. Turning on the ele
ctric fuel pump caused the symptom to go away. No obvious leaks and no fuel s
mells.
>
> I'm wondering if I too have an issue lurking in the pump department. It's n
early time for my annual, so it's good timing as everything has to come apar
t anyway.
>
> Jay
> N433RV - flying
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411584#411584
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
The physicist in me feels compelled to point out that the fuel pump does not pull
fuel up to the fuel valve. This is like a siphon; atmospheric air pressure
is sufficient to push the fuel up to the valve, and back to the tunnel floor.
However, the conclusion that pressure is reduced at the high point is correct.
I have a stock Vans setup and have never seen anything like a vapor lock issue,
including some very hot weather flying. But I also have the post 2008 setup where
Vans lowered the fuel valve location. Do those seeing problems have the earlier,
higher mounted valves?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411621#411621
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
| From: | Tcwtech <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
I have the Andair valve mounted low in the tunnel actuated by an extension arm
a few inches long.
Bob Newman
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:28 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
>
> The physicist in me feels compelled to point out that the fuel pump does not
pull fuel up to the fuel valve. This is like a siphon; atmospheric air pressure
is sufficient to push the fuel up to the valve, and back to the tunnel floor.
However, the conclusion that pressure is reduced at the high point is correct.
>
> I have a stock Vans setup and have never seen anything like a vapor lock issue,
including some very hot weather flying. But I also have the post 2008 setup
where Vans lowered the fuel valve location. Do those seeing problems have the
earlier, higher mounted valves?
>
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411621#411621
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| From: | "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
Is the "rise" a cumulative effect or overall from the tanks to engine driven
pump? I would think that the rise from the electric pump to the firewall AN
fitting is greater than the rise from tunnel floor to the valve body. If
cumulative then maybe the two put together is an issue?
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Pump Issue
The physicist in me feels compelled to point out that the fuel pump does not
pull fuel up to the fuel valve. This is like a siphon; atmospheric air
pressure is sufficient to push the fuel up to the valve, and back to the
tunnel floor. However, the conclusion that pressure is reduced at the high
point is correct.
I have a stock Vans setup and have never seen anything like a vapor lock
issue, including some very hot weather flying. But I also have the post 2008
setup where Vans lowered the fuel valve location. Do those seeing problems
have the earlier, higher mounted valves?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411621#411621
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| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
I have the same
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Tcwtech wrote:
I have the Andair valve mounted low in the tunnel actuated by an extension arm
a few inches long.
Bob Newman
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:28 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
>
>
> The physicist in me feels compelled to point out that the fuel pump does not
pull fuel up to the fuel valve. This is like a siphon; atmospheric air pressure
is sufficient to push the fuel up to the valve, and back to the tunnel floor.
However, the conclusion that pressure is reduced at the high point is correct.
>
> I have a stock Vans setup and have never seen anything like a vapor lock issue,
including some very hot weather flying. But I also have the post 2008 setup
where Vans lowered the fuel valve location. Do those seeing problems have the
earlier, higher mounted valves?
>
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411621#411621
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Bob,
Very well written explanation of at least one factor in the problem. Not to
mention that having the FF sending unit in the tunnel introduces two more
connections in the tunnel that could leak.
Van's reasoning is rather faulty in my view, since the red cube is FAA
certified for use in the engine compartment, and in fact the STC that I
have on my Mooney using the same sending unit requires the sending unit
between the mechanical pump and the fuel servo on certified planes without
a return line, and between the servo and the flow divider on planes with a
return line.
Also, IMHO, 18 PSI is inadequate for normal operation. My Mooney with
IO-360 and the same pump sees 24-25 PSI as normal from fuel flow of 8 gph
up to 18 gph, with normal cruise around 10 gph on mechanical pump only.
Boost pump will add 1-2 psi with engine running.
14 psi is the absolute minimum for the Bendix RSA fuel injection, with 45
max.
Unless I am looking at my fuselage crooked the stock Van's selector
location is near the full fuel level of the tanks and way above the empty
tank level, so gravity at less than something like 3/4 tank is not going to
provide any flow of fuel through the selector without some initiating
suction and a siphon to keep it going. Introduce any air or vapor and the
siphon will be lost.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Tcwtech wrote:
> You may want to read over this write up I did last year on this issue. I
> think this may be your issue.
>
> http://tcwtech.com/Fuel%20flow%20write-up.pdf
>
> Bob Newman
> N541RV
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:42 AM, "hotwheels" wrote:
>
>
> I went out on a weekend x-country flight (6 hours) and noticed some
> strange behavior.
>
> In cruise, my fuel flow readings would occasionally fluctuate between 9.5
> and 10.5 gph without me touching anything... At the same time, the fuel psi
> changed from ~18 (normal) and 14psi. At 14 the engine would stumble. Same
> behavior on either tank... even after richening the mixture. Turning on the
> electric fuel pump caused the symptom to go away. No obvious leaks and no
> fuel smells.
>
> I'm wondering if I too have an issue lurking in the pump department. It's
> nearly time for my annual, so it's good timing as everything has to come
> apart anyway.
>
> Jay
> N433RV - flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411584#411584
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
I have a post 2008 and I have seen fuel pressure issues in a climb once out
of 101F in Arizona and after a 2nd takeoff in 90F SoCal, right after
refueling. In both cases the VP-200 threw in the autoboost and it was gone.
It happens, but rarely. Engine has no idea there is a problem or it doesnt
sound like it does anyway
My biggest issue remains the fuel flow- it will vary from 10.2gph to 9.9
without changing a thing, than go back up to 10.1 and back and forth
in-between.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Turner
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Pump Issue
The physicist in me feels compelled to point out that the fuel pump does not
pull fuel up to the fuel valve. This is like a siphon; atmospheric air
pressure is sufficient to push the fuel up to the valve, and back to the
tunnel floor. However, the conclusion that pressure is reduced at the high
point is correct.
I have a stock Vans setup and have never seen anything like a vapor lock
issue, including some very hot weather flying. But I also have the post 2008
setup where Vans lowered the fuel valve location. Do those seeing problems
have the earlier, higher mounted valves?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
| From: | David Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com> |
I see 24 psi from my mechanical pump. 28 or so for electric.
Dave Leikam
On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:43 PM, hotwheels wrote:
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> I'm using an Andair selector and the valve is pretty low in the tunnel as I had
to buy an extender to reach it. Have occasionally seen engine stumble during
very high AOA stall work if electric full pump is not running. Same when switching
fuel tanks, but not always. Is 18psi fuel pressure off mechanical within
"normal" range?
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> Thanks,
> Jay
> N433RV - flying
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| From: | "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <dfritz(at)bpgsim.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Canning of the Bottom Wing Skin |
I know this is an old message, but you mentioned trimming the bottom
skin. How did you trim the skin to remove the small amount and preserve
the squareness of the bottom skin?
Dave
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
Wings
On 7/16/2008 5:47 AM, Wayne Hadath wrote:
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> There has been discussion in the past about oil canning of the bottom
> wing skin. I do not know if this will be true for all kits but I just
> installed the right skin and it needed trimming at the main spar edge.
> It was necessary to remove between 1/32 and 1/16 to get the skin to
> lay flat. If I had not trimmed it the skin would have butted up
> against the forward skin and this would have created lots of oil
> canning. With the skin trimmed and largely using Vans instruction the
> skin is tight, a small ding here and there but tight. Bruising should
> heal in a week or so.
>
> Wayne Hadath
>
> F1 Rocket C-FAUH 260 hrs
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>
> Checked by AVG.
> 15/07/2008 6:03 PM
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
This might be semantics but that looks like a +/-1.5% fluctuation.
Assuming you're using a red cube, EI claims 2%, but they don't say if it's
+/- or overall. I see similar fluctuations. I figured it was just noise.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Pascal wrote:
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> I have a post 2008 and I have seen fuel pressure issues in a climb once
> out of 101F in Arizona and after a 2nd takeoff in 90F SoCal, right after
> refueling. In both cases the VP-200 threw in the autoboost and it was gon
e.
> It happens, but rarely. Engine has no idea there is a problem or it doesn
=99t
> sound like it does anyway
>
> My biggest issue remains the fuel flow- it will vary from 10.2gph to 9.9
> without changing a thing, than go back up to 10.1 and back and forth
> in-between.
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Bob Turner
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:28 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Pump Issue
>
>
> The physicist in me feels compelled to point out that the fuel pump does
> not pull fuel up to the fuel valve. This is like a siphon; atmospheric ai
r
> pressure is sufficient to push the fuel up to the valve, and back to the
> tunnel floor. However, the conclusion that pressure is reduced at the hig
h
> point is correct.
>
> I have a stock Vans setup and have never seen anything like a vapor lock
> issue, including some very hot weather flying. But I also have the post
> 2008 setup where Vans lowered the fuel valve location. Do those seeing
> problems have the earlier, higher mounted valves?
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> RV-10 QB
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Oil Canning of the Bottom Wing Skin |
Very carefully using your Vixen file. Take a little at a time, cleko the
skin back on, remark the area to trim, repeat.
Easier than it sounds.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
(Building)
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Canning of the Bottom Wing Skin
I know this is an old message, but you mentioned trimming the bottom skin.
How did you trim the skin to remove the small amount and preserve the
squareness of the bottom skin?
Dave
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
Wings
On 7/16/2008 5:47 AM, Wayne Hadath wrote:
There has been discussion in the past about oil canning of the bottom wing
skin. I do not know if this will be true for all kits but I just installed
the right skin and it needed trimming at the main spar edge. It was
necessary to remove between 1/32 and 1/16 to get the skin to lay flat. If I
had not trimmed it the skin would have butted up against the forward skin
and this would have created lots of oil canning. With the skin trimmed and
largely using Vans instruction the skin is tight, a small ding here and
there but tight. Bruising should heal in a week or so.
Wayne Hadath
F1 Rocket C-FAUH 260 hrs
Checked by AVG.
15/07/2008 6:03 PM
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
| Subject: | power settings for descent or climbs |
Looking for the initial reduction/increase power change needed for
climbs or descents to keep the same airspeed? (example- landing at
120kts, aircraft is setup at cruise to be at 120kts when reach OM, how
much power would I need to pull for every 100 fpm? so if it=99s
500fpm it would be 5X that setting)
Thank you!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: power settings for descent or climbs |
| From: | "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> |
If you are landing at 120 K, I hope you have a very long runway. Only partially
answering your question, I get the following from my -10:
17" clean = 120K
15" clean = 110K
12" & flaps1 = 85K with 500 fpm descent
Jim Berry
RV-10
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | power settings for descent or climbs |
Here is a start I did for this. Adjust as needed.
I have been using 120 knots for initial approach, 100 knots at the IAP,
and 87 knots at the FAF (full flap speed).
Carl
N7ZK Power/Speed Configuration Setting
May 26, 2013
MP RPM IAS VS
Climb 24 2400 130 1000
Cruise Dec 14 2300 130 -500
18 2350 170 -500
Appr Level 18 2200 120 ----
Prec Appr Dec 14 2200 87 -300
N-Pres Appr Dec 12 2200 87 -700
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: power settings for descent or climbs
Looking for the initial reduction/increase power change needed for
climbs or descents to keep the same airspeed? (example- landing at
120kts, aircraft is setup at cruise to be at 120kts when reach OM, how
much power would I need to pull for every 100 fpm? so if it=99s
500fpm it would be 5X that setting)
Thank you!
Pascal
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
| Subject: | Re: power settings for descent or climbs |
Thank you Carl! what I was looking for as a start.
Pascal
From: Carl Froehlich
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: power settings for descent or climbs
Here is a start I did for this. Adjust as needed.
I have been using 120 knots for initial approach, 100 knots at the IAP,
and 87 knots at the FAF (full flap speed).
Carl
N7ZK Power/Speed Configuration Setting
May 26, 2013
MP RPM IAS VS
Climb 24 2400 130 1000
Cruise Dec 14 2300 130 -500
18 2350 170 -500
Appr Level 18 2200 120 ----
Prec Appr Dec 14 2200 87 -300
N-Pres Appr Dec 12 2200 87 -700
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: power settings for descent or climbs
Looking for the initial reduction/increase power change needed for
climbs or descents to keep the same airspeed? (example- landing at
120kts, aircraft is setup at cruise to be at 120kts when reach OM, how
much power would I need to pull for every 100 fpm? so if it=99s
500fpm it would be 5X that setting)
Thank you!
Pascal
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: power settings for descent or climbs |
You must not fly into very many busy airports. Why not fly 120 to Loc
intercept and 100 from FAF to DH? Most any precision approach will have
at least 7-8000 ft runway to get slowed down to land, and you are only
needing to lose 30 kts with flaps.
I use 105 from turn on to final in my Mooney and that is due to gear
speed limit of 105, so I can drop gear at glideslope intercept. No
problem slowing from there to 70 kts over runway end with the same 87kt
flap speed limit as the -10. I don't use flaps until have runway in
sight. Makes for easier missed approach and better fit with faster traffic.
On 10/29/2013 11:12 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> Here is a start I did for this. Adjust as needed.
>
>
>
> I have been using 120 knots for initial approach, 100 knots at the IAP, and 87
knots at the FAF (full flap speed).
>
>
>
> Carl
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>
> N7ZK Power/Speed Configuration Setting
>
> May 26, 2013
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> MP RPM IAS VS
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> Climb 24 2400 130 1000
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> Cruise Dec 14 2300 130 -500
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> 18 2350 170 -500
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> Appr Level 18 2200 120 ----
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> Prec Appr Dec 14 2200 87 -300
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>
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> N-Pres Appr Dec 12 2200 87 -700
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>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:24 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: power settings for descent or climbs
>
>
>
> Looking for the initial reduction/increase power change needed for climbs or
descents to keep the same airspeed? (example- landing at 120kts, aircraft is setup
at cruise to be at 120kts when reach OM, how much power would I need to pull
for every 100 fpm? so if its 500fpm it would be 5X that setting)
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: power settings for descent or climbs |
| From: | Nikolaos Napoli <napolin(at)me.com> |
I think if the weather is down to minimums you might want to come in slow to give
yourself the best chance of seeing the runway.
Nikolaos Napoli
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>
> You must not fly into very many busy airports. Why not fly 120 to Loc intercept
and 100 from FAF to DH? Most any precision approach will have at least 7-8000
ft runway to get slowed down to land, and you are only needing to lose 30 kts
with flaps.
> I use 105 from turn on to final in my Mooney and that is due to gear speed limit
of 105, so I can drop gear at glideslope intercept. No problem slowing from
there to 70 kts over runway end with the same 87kt flap speed limit as the -10.
I don't use flaps until have runway in sight. Makes for easier missed approach
and better fit with faster traffic.
>
>> On 10/29/2013 11:12 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>> Here is a start I did for this. Adjust as needed.
>>
>>
>> I have been using 120 knots for initial approach, 100 knots at the IAP, and
87 knots at the FAF (full flap speed).
>>
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> N7ZK Power/Speed Configuration Setting
>>
>> May 26, 2013
>>
>>
>> MP RPM IAS VS
>>
>> Climb 24 2400 130 1000
>>
>>
>> Cruise Dec 14 2300 130 -500
>>
>> 18 2350 170 -500
>>
>>
>> Appr Level 18 2200 120 ----
>>
>>
>> Prec Appr Dec 14 2200 87 -300
>>
>>
>> N-Pres Appr Dec 12 2200 87 -700
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:24 PM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: power settings for descent or climbs
>>
>>
>> Looking for the initial reduction/increase power change needed for climbs or
descents to keep the same airspeed? (example- landing at 120kts, aircraft is
setup at cruise to be at 120kts when reach OM, how much power would I need to
pull for every 100 fpm? so if its 500fpm it would be 5X that setting)
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> Pascal
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: power settings for descent or climbs |
| From: | P Reid <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
Before this goes off on landing approaches, I was using that as an example. I really
should have asked what power change is needed at cruise to keep airspeed
at (constant) for a 500fpm descent or climb.
I'll go out and fly around and figure this out. Was just trying to recall what
a change of 1MP would do.
Thx
Pascal
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:35 PM, "Kelly McMullen" wrote:
>
>
> You must not fly into very many busy airports. Why not fly 120 to Loc intercept
and 100 from FAF to DH? Most any precision approach will have at least 7-8000
ft runway to get slowed down to land, and you are only needing to lose 30 kts
with flaps.
> I use 105 from turn on to final in my Mooney and that is due to gear speed limit
of 105, so I can drop gear at glideslope intercept. No problem slowing from
there to 70 kts over runway end with the same 87kt flap speed limit as the -10.
I don't use flaps until have runway in sight. Makes for easier missed approach
and better fit with faster traffic.
>
>> On 10/29/2013 11:12 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>> Here is a start I did for this. Adjust as needed.
>>
>>
>> I have been using 120 knots for initial approach, 100 knots at the IAP, and
87 knots at the FAF (full flap speed).
>>
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> N7ZK Power/Speed Configuration Setting
>>
>> May 26, 2013
>>
>>
>> MP RPM IAS VS
>>
>> Climb 24 2400 130 1000
>>
>>
>> Cruise Dec 14 2300 130 -500
>>
>> 18 2350 170 -500
>>
>>
>> Appr Level 18 2200 120 ----
>>
>>
>> Prec Appr Dec 14 2200 87 -300
>>
>>
>> N-Pres Appr Dec 12 2200 87 -700
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:24 PM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: power settings for descent or climbs
>>
>>
>> Looking for the initial reduction/increase power change needed for climbs or
descents to keep the same airspeed? (example- landing at 120kts, aircraft is
setup at cruise to be at 120kts when reach OM, how much power would I need to
pull for every 100 fpm? so if its 500fpm it would be 5X that setting)
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> Pascal
>
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| Subject: | Re: power settings for descent or climbs |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
The traditional rule of thumb is 1" MP gives you 100 ft per minute, same speed.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | power settings for descent or climbs |
Yep - adjust approach speed as needed for the environment.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: power settings for descent or climbs
You must not fly into very many busy airports. Why not fly 120 to Loc intercept
and 100 from FAF to DH? Most any precision approach will have at least 7-8000
ft runway to get slowed down to land, and you are only needing to lose 30 kts
with flaps.
I use 105 from turn on to final in my Mooney and that is due to gear speed limit
of 105, so I can drop gear at glideslope intercept. No problem slowing from
there to 70 kts over runway end with the same 87kt flap speed limit as the -10.
I don't use flaps until have runway in sight. Makes for easier missed approach
and better fit with faster traffic.
On 10/29/2013 11:12 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> Here is a start I did for this. Adjust as needed.
>
>
>
> I have been using 120 knots for initial approach, 100 knots at the IAP, and 87
knots at the FAF (full flap speed).
>
>
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> N7ZK Power/Speed Configuration Setting
>
> May 26, 2013
>
>
>
> MP RPM IAS VS
>
> Climb 24 2400 130 1000
>
>
>
> Cruise Dec 14 2300 130 -500
>
> 18 2350 170 -500
>
>
>
> Appr Level 18 2200 120 ----
>
>
>
> Prec Appr Dec 14 2200 87 -300
>
>
>
> N-Pres Appr Dec 12 2200 87 -700
>
>
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>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:24 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: power settings for descent or climbs
>
>
>
> Looking for the initial reduction/increase power change needed for
> climbs or descents to keep the same airspeed? (example- landing at
> 120kts, aircraft is setup at cruise to be at 120kts when reach OM, how
> much power would I need to pull for every 100 fpm? so if its 500fpm
> it would be 5X that setting)
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
| From: | "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com> |
I spoke to a couple of vendors and my A&P of choice yesterday. The consensus was
to:
* Revisit sensor settings and connections (I don't expect this one to reveal much)
* Closely examine the fuel system for anything obvious.
* Replace the Tempest Fuel Pump with a (new, not rebuilt) genuine Lycoming Pump
18 psi is definitely not acceptable. Van's had no input (guess who sold me the
fuel pump). They claimed they'd never heard of such a thing and were out of touch
(their words) with builders. Really? If so, that's disturbing on several levels.
This particular component is too darn critical to screw around with. It needs to
work and be a known quantity.
Jay
433RV - flying
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| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
I did simulated take offs at altitude with the boost pump off. My fuel pump
was rock steady at 22-23 psi. I still don't know if the pump replacement
or the cooling shroud was the solution.
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of hotwheels
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Pump Issue
I spoke to a couple of vendors and my A&P of choice yesterday. The consensus
was to:
* Revisit sensor settings and connections (I don't expect this one to reveal
much)
* Closely examine the fuel system for anything obvious.
* Replace the Tempest Fuel Pump with a (new, not rebuilt) genuine Lycoming
Pump
18 psi is definitely not acceptable. Van's had no input (guess who sold me
the fuel pump). They claimed they'd never heard of such a thing and were out
of touch (their words) with builders. Really? If so, that's disturbing on
several levels.
This particular component is too darn critical to screw around with. It
needs to work and be a known quantity.
Jay
433RV - flying
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pump Issue |
Well, the Lycoming pump had an AD on it, as did the AC pump that it was
copied from. I don't recall there being one on Tempest.
I've been flying behind an overhauled AC pump for about 14 years with no
problem at all, roughly 650 hours.
If those recommending new Lycoming are involved in the procurement in
any way, I'd disregard the advice. The pump is one of the easiest
devices out there to overhaul, mostly replace two diaphragms. Talk to
Tempest about it, they might be interested, as they are generally one of
the more reputable parts vendors.
Kelly
A&P/IA
On 10/29/2013 3:03 PM, hotwheels wrote:
>
> I spoke to a couple of vendors and my A&P of choice yesterday. The consensus
was to:
>
> * Revisit sensor settings and connections (I don't expect this one to reveal
much)
>
> * Closely examine the fuel system for anything obvious.
>
> * Replace the Tempest Fuel Pump with a (new, not rebuilt) genuine Lycoming Pump
>
> 18 psi is definitely not acceptable. Van's had no input (guess who sold me the
fuel pump). They claimed they'd never heard of such a thing and were out of
touch (their words) with builders. Really? If so, that's disturbing on several
levels.
>
> This particular component is too darn critical to screw around with. It needs
to work and be a known quantity.
>
> Jay
> 433RV - flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411712#411712
>
>
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| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Based on feedback here, I think I'm going to stick with the Aero Classics
tires, but switch to Michelan Airstop tubes. Anyone have an issue with
this combination? Are there different valve stem angle options with these
tubes? Thanks much...
-Rob
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Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tires and tubes |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
This is what I have my -10 sitting on:
15/600-6 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the "New Easy Valve" for the
mains, and 500-5 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the TR-67 Valve for the
nose.
The tube for the mains was designed for Cirri, that have similar wheel
pants access issues.
Leakguard is Desser's in-house branding of what is supposed to be same as
Air Stop at lower cost. I think I put air in them once over past year to
make moving fuselage easier.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Based on feedback here, I think I'm going to stick with the Aero Classics
> tires, but switch to Michelan Airstop tubes. Anyone have an issue with
> this combination? Are there different valve stem angle options with these
> tubes? Thanks much...
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
> *
>
>
--
- sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tires and tubes |
| From: | "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> |
I have been using the same tires & tubes as Kelly for 2-3 years without any issues.
I do have to add air about every 6 months; probably because our air in Colorado
is thinner. [Wink]
Jim Berry
RV-10
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411940#411940
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| Subject: | Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During |
November!
| From: | Jmsfrnch <jmsfrnch(at)aol.com> |
Please unsubscribe me from this forum
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 4:28
Subject: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During N
ovember!
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operat
ion
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's solely
through the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics Lists
are
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r
related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/searc
h ,
List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I
believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjo
y -
namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every coup
le of
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patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regu
lar
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y all
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on
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This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go al
ong
with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are over 30 different
gifts to choose from - more than we've ever had before! There's something
for
everyone, to be sure. Most all of these gifts have been provided by some o
f the
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ave
been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous members include:
Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com
Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric
.com
Corbin Glowacki of My Pilot Store http://www.mypilotstore.com
George Race of Race Consulting http://www.mrrace.com/
Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com
These are very generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web
sites. Each one offers a unique and excellent aviation-related product lin
e. I
would like publicly to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon their gener
ous
support of the Lists again this year!!
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three met
hods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a
qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND
moral
support over the years!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot
________________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During |
November!
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 4:28
Subject: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
During November!
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued
operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's
solely
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Lists are
possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows
on any
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http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or
other
related pages such as the List Search Engine
http://www.matronics.com/search ,
List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because
I
believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all
enjoy -
namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every
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patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these
regular
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Contribution
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This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go
along
with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are over 30
different
gifts to choose from - more than we've ever had before! There's
something for
everyone, to be sure. Most all of these gifts have been provided by
some of the
vary members and vendors that you'll find on the Matronics Lists and
they have
been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous members include:
Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com
Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection
http://www.aeroelectric.com
Corbin Glowacki of My Pilot Store http://www.mypilotstore.com
George Race of Race Consulting http://www.mrrace.com/
Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com
These are very generous guys and I encourage you to visit their
respective web
sites. Each one offers a unique and excellent aviation-related product
line. I
would like publicly to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon their
generous
support of the Lists again this year!!
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three
methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a
qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial
AND moral
support over the years!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot
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| Subject: | Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
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"The Unsubscribed"
The cold fog thickened noticeably as the newcomer hurried towards his
destination. He pulled his heavy overcoat around his neck a little more
tightly. This part of the city was not a place to tarry. Thieves and
whores were the only permanent residents here. Even the cops rolled through
these streets with a nervousness and an edge to heir normal macho banter.
Trouble and misery closed around everyone who ventured into this pustule of
urban blight like a leech on a warm vein.
"Damn!", he hissed under his breath as he stepped on something soft that
squealed and skittered off into the darkness and dankness of the mist. It
can't be much farther he thought. It mustn't be much farther. The sickly
yellow flicker of light from a street lamp shone dimly through the fog as he
quickened his pace.
There it was. The doorway seemed to be just blackness without definition.
As he got closer, two winos eyed him suspiciously through bloodshot and
yellowed eyes. He hustled past them, their breath leaving a rank scent that
lingered on his clothes. The door pushed inward and the newcomer was
inside.
The room was smoky and dim. The bar stank of liquor and broken dreams.
Several tables decorated the periphery. The man he had come to see was
sitting at one of those tables and beckoned him over to sit. The man was
darkly clothed and utterly shapeless. He might have weighed three hundred
pounds... or he may have been only bone. His shape was indecipherable. The
dark mans eyes were gazing down at the dirty glass in his hand, half filled
with cheap whiskey. He had been reading a glossy magazine filled with lurid
and obscene images. He folded it tenderly and stuffed it quickly into his
coat pocket like a vulture gobbling a rotten piece of flesh.
"What is it you want of me?", the dark man asked, not lifting his eyes from
the glass. His voice rumbled deep in his belly like a toad.
"I need you to tell me how to unsubscribe", said the newcomer in as even a
tone as he could muster.
The dark man looked up from his glass slowly to gaze at the newcomer. His
eyes were a pale watery blue. And his gaze lingered on the newcomer.
"You wish to unsubscribe?", he said, with a hint of amusement in his voice
but no trace of a smile on his thick pasty lips. "You come to me with a
need to unsubscribe?", he said, his voice getting louder now and any hint of
amusement gone. He sucked in his breath and hissed through his teeth
spraying the newcomer with a repulsive mist of spittle, "Why? Tell me why
it is that you wish to unsubscribe."
The newcomer felt fear now creeping up his spine. "I don't have the time to
sort through all the posts", he mumbled.
The dark man sat unmoved, his eyes stared at the newcomer without emotion.
His eyes were cold and amphibian.
"And I sold the RV and bought a Bonanza ", added the newcomer.
He realized in a heart beat that he should not have said that. The dark man
had him by the throat with a quickness that seemed otherworldly. And the
dark man squeezed that throat as the newcomer wriggled and squirmed in a
voiceless scream. The dark man pulled the newcomers face to his own until
they nearly touched noses. He breathed his fetid breath on the newcomer and
a trickle of drool escaped his mouth to plop loudly on the table between
them.
"Go!", he rumbled. "Go now you fool!", he bellowed. "Run if you can. It
shall do you no good! Once you have subscribed, all hope of ever
unsubscribing is gone! We will find you. Your email is now ours to
control. Your email box will fill to bursting with our messages. And there
is no hope for you. There is no good deed you can do to change what you
have done. The List will not be denied!"
And with that he released the newcomer who reeled and staggered towards the
door, gagging and stumbling. The dark man began to laugh, a low rumbling
laugh that grew louder. The newcomer fled up the streets as he had come
with the croaking bellowing laughter chasing him. He was doomed... and he
knew it.
The dark man sat back at the table in the dimly lit bar and sipped at his
drink.
"I guess I could have just told him to go to *
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* and use the one
click unsubscribe URL at the end of page", he muttered under his breath.
No, he smiled to himself. That would have been all too easy. Still
chuckling to himself, he reached into his pocket and pulled out the magazine
he had been reading before the newcomer interrupted him. He quickly thumbed
through the slick and edge worn pages until he found his place. He never
missed a single word of each and every issue of Martha Stewart Living...
Anonymous
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Pascal wrote:
> follow instructions:
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> Features Navigator to many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription*
>
> *From:* Jmsfrnch
> *Sent:* Friday, November 01, 2013 6:32 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
> During November!
>
> Please unsubscribe me from this forum
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
> To: rv10-list
> Sent: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 4:28
> Subject: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During
> November!
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
> and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's solely
> through the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics Lists are
> possible.
>
> You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any
> of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or other
> related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search ,
> List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I
> believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy
-
> namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
>
> During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple
of
> days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your
> patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular
> messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay
all
> of the bills associated with running these lists. YOUR personal Contribution
> counts!
>
> This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go along
> with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are over 30 different
> gifts to choose from - more than we've ever had before! There's something for
> everyone, to be sure. Most all of these gifts have been provided by some of
the
> vary members and vendors that you'll find on the Matronics Lists and they have
> been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
>
> This year, these generous members include:
>
>
> Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com
>
> Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com
>
> Corbin Glowacki of My Pilot Store http://www.mypilotstore.com
>
> George Race of Race Consulting http://www.mrrace.com/
>
> Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com
>
>
> These are very generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web
> sites. Each one offers a unique and excellent aviation-related product line.
I
> would like publicly to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon their generous
> support of the Lists again this year!!
>
> Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
> including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
> afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a
> qualifying Contribution amount!!
>
> To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
> support over the years!
>
> Thank you!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
> RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot
>
>
> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
> " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
> ank">www.mrrace.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
> href="http://www.mypilotstore.com">www.mypilotstore.com
> href="http://www.mrrace.com">www.mrrace.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *
>
>
--
- sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Front Tire Installation |
| From: | Vernon Franklin <vernon.franklin(at)gmail.com> |
Has anyone run into this situation? Either my U-1009 Axle is to
short, or my U-1023 spacers are to long. You can see by the attached
pictures that I am about 1/8" short on the axle.
When I went to install the wheel, and torqued the AN6, the wheel
didn't turn very well. All of the pressure appears to be placed on
the spacers as opposed to the axle.
I verified the wheel halves are tight against each other.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
--
Vernon Franklin
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Front Tire Installation |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
That is the way it is supposed to be. The spacers are supposed to put a preload
on the bearings so the axle doesn't turn. In the past I have turned down the
axle w little to increase the preload. The wheel will not turn very freely, but
you want to make sure the spacers do NOT turn, but rather the wheel turns while
the bearings don't.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 2, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Vernon Franklin wrote:
>
> Has anyone run into this situation? Either my U-1009 Axle is to
> short, or my U-1023 spacers are to long. You can see by the attached
> pictures that I am about 1/8" short on the axle.
>
> When I went to install the wheel, and torqued the AN6, the wheel
> didn't turn very well. All of the pressure appears to be placed on
> the spacers as opposed to the axle.
>
> I verified the wheel halves are tight against each other.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Vernon Franklin
> <20131102_135338.jpg>
> <20131102_135324.jpg>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Front Tire Installation |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Easily cured with a Matco axle in place of Van's home brew solution.
Lets you set preload on bearings independent of the nose gear forks.
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Vernon Franklin
wrote:
> Has anyone run into this situation? Either my U-1009 Axle is to
> short, or my U-1023 spacers are to long. You can see by the attached
> pictures that I am about 1/8" short on the axle.
>
> When I went to install the wheel, and torqued the AN6, the wheel
> didn't turn very well. All of the pressure appears to be placed on
> the spacers as opposed to the axle.
>
> I verified the wheel halves are tight against each other.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Vernon Franklin
>
--
- sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Orth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Now that=99s funny.
Michael
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
During November!
"The Unsubscribed"
The cold fog thickened noticeably as the newcomer hurried towards his
destination. He pulled his heavy overcoat around his neck a little more
tightly. This part of the city was not a place to tarry. Thieves and
whores were the only permanent residents here. Even the cops rolled
through
these streets with a nervousness and an edge to heir normal macho
banter.
Trouble and misery closed around everyone who ventured into this pustule
of
urban blight like a leech on a warm vein.
"Damn!", he hissed under his breath as he stepped on something soft that
squealed and skittered off into the darkness and dankness of the mist.
It
can't be much farther he thought. It mustn't be much farther. The sickly
yellow flicker of light from a street lamp shone dimly through the fog
as he
quickened his pace.
There it was. The doorway seemed to be just blackness without
definition.
As he got closer, two winos eyed him suspiciously through bloodshot and
yellowed eyes. He hustled past them, their breath leaving a rank scent
that
lingered on his clothes. The door pushed inward and the newcomer was
inside.
The room was smoky and dim. The bar stank of liquor and broken dreams.
Several tables decorated the periphery. The man he had come to see was
sitting at one of those tables and beckoned him over to sit. The man was
darkly clothed and utterly shapeless. He might have weighed three
hundred
pounds... or he may have been only bone. His shape was indecipherable.
The
dark mans eyes were gazing down at the dirty glass in his hand, half
filled
with cheap whiskey. He had been reading a glossy magazine filled with
lurid
and obscene images. He folded it tenderly and stuffed it quickly into
his
coat pocket like a vulture gobbling a rotten piece of flesh.
"What is it you want of me?", the dark man asked, not lifting his eyes
from
the glass. His voice rumbled deep in his belly like a toad.
"I need you to tell me how to unsubscribe", said the newcomer in as even
a
tone as he could muster.
The dark man looked up from his glass slowly to gaze at the newcomer.
His
eyes were a pale watery blue. And his gaze lingered on the newcomer.
"You wish to unsubscribe?", he said, with a hint of amusement in his
voice
but no trace of a smile on his thick pasty lips. "You come to me with a
need to unsubscribe?", he said, his voice getting louder now and any
hint of
amusement gone. He sucked in his breath and hissed through his teeth
spraying the newcomer with a repulsive mist of spittle, "Why? Tell me
why
it is that you wish to unsubscribe."
The newcomer felt fear now creeping up his spine. "I don't have the time
to
sort through all the posts", he mumbled.
The dark man sat unmoved, his eyes stared at the newcomer without
emotion.
His eyes were cold and amphibian.
"And I sold the RV and bought a Bonanza ", added the newcomer.
He realized in a heart beat that he should not have said that. The dark
man
had him by the throat with a quickness that seemed otherworldly. And the
dark man squeezed that throat as the newcomer wriggled and squirmed in a
voiceless scream. The dark man pulled the newcomers face to his own
until
they nearly touched noses. He breathed his fetid breath on the newcomer
and
a trickle of drool escaped his mouth to plop loudly on the table between
them.
"Go!", he rumbled. "Go now you fool!", he bellowed. "Run if you can. It
shall do you no good! Once you have subscribed, all hope of ever
unsubscribing is gone! We will find you. Your email is now ours to
control. Your email box will fill to bursting with our messages. And
there
is no hope for you. There is no good deed you can do to change what you
have done. The List will not be denied!"
And with that he released the newcomer who reeled and staggered towards
the
door, gagging and stumbling. The dark man began to laugh, a low rumbling
laugh that grew louder. The newcomer fled up the streets as he had come
with the croaking bellowing laughter chasing him. He was doomed... and
he
knew it.
The dark man sat back at the table in the dimly lit bar and sipped at
his
drink.
"I guess I could have just told him to go to
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List and use the one
click unsubscribe URL at the end of page", he muttered under his breath.
No, he smiled to himself. That would have been all too easy. Still
chuckling to himself, he reached into his pocket and pulled out the
magazine
he had been reading before the newcomer interrupted him. He quickly
thumbed
through the slick and edge worn pages until he found his place. He never
missed a single word of each and every issue of Martha Stewart Living...
Anonymous
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Pascal wrote:
follow instructions:
- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List Use the Matronics List
Features Navigator to many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription
From: Jmsfrnch
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 6:32 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
During November!
Please unsubscribe me from this forum
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
To: rv10-list
Sent: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 4:28
Subject: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
During November!
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued
operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's
solely
through the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics
Lists are
possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows
on any
of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site
http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or
other
related pages such as the List Search Engine
http://www.matronics.com/search ,
List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because
I
believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all
enjoy -
namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every
couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for
your
patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these
regular
messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to
pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. YOUR personal
Contribution
counts!
This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go
along
with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are over 30
different
gifts to choose from - more than we've ever had before! There's
something for
everyone, to be sure. Most all of these gifts have been provided by
some of the
vary members and vendors that you'll find on the Matronics Lists and
they have
been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous members include:
Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com
Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection
http://www.aeroelectric.com
Corbin Glowacki of My Pilot Store http://www.mypilotstore.com
George Race of Race Consulting http://www.mrrace.com/
Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com
These are very generous guys and I encourage you to visit their
respective web
sites. Each one offers a unique and excellent aviation-related product
line. I
would like publicly to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon their
generous
support of the Lists again this year!!
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three
methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a
qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial
AND moral
support over the years!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Front Tire Installation |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I would definitely order the Matco axle. It allows you to pre-load the bearings
independent of tightening the axle nut. I think you will find a thread in regards
to this issue either here or on VAF.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411996#411996
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <adrian.moses(at)syngenta.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/03/13 |
Adrian
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Sent: Mon Nov 04 03:02:10 2013
Subject: RV10-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/03/13
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1. 02:10 AM - Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November!
(Michael Orth)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: Front Tire Installation (bill.peyton)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: "Michael Orth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November!
Now that=99s funny.
Michael
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From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
During November!
"The Unsubscribed"
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It
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yellow flicker of light from a street lamp shone dimly through the fog
as he
quickened his pace.
There it was. The doorway seemed to be just blackness without
definition.
As he got closer, two winos eyed him suspiciously through bloodshot and
yellowed eyes. He hustled past them, their breath leaving a rank scent
that
lingered on his clothes. The door pushed inward and the newcomer was
inside.
The room was smoky and dim. The bar stank of liquor and broken dreams.
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hundred
pounds... or he may have been only bone. His shape was indecipherable.
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dark mans eyes were gazing down at the dirty glass in his hand, half
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his
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a
tone as he could muster.
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His
eyes were a pale watery blue. And his gaze lingered on the newcomer.
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voice
but no trace of a smile on his thick pasty lips. "You come to me with a
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hint of
amusement gone. He sucked in his breath and hissed through his teeth
spraying the newcomer with a repulsive mist of spittle, "Why? Tell me
why
it is that you wish to unsubscribe."
The newcomer felt fear now creeping up his spine. "I don't have the time
to
sort through all the posts", he mumbled.
The dark man sat unmoved, his eyes stared at the newcomer without
emotion.
His eyes were cold and amphibian.
"And I sold the RV and bought a Bonanza ", added the newcomer.
He realized in a heart beat that he should not have said that. The dark
man
had him by the throat with a quickness that seemed otherworldly. And the
dark man squeezed that throat as the newcomer wriggled and squirmed in a
voiceless scream. The dark man pulled the newcomers face to his own
until
they nearly touched noses. He breathed his fetid breath on the newcomer
and
a trickle of drool escaped his mouth to plop loudly on the table between
them.
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shall do you no good! Once you have subscribed, all hope of ever
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control. Your email box will fill to bursting with our messages. And
there
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have done. The List will not be denied!"
And with that he released the newcomer who reeled and staggered towards
the
door, gagging and stumbling. The dark man began to laugh, a low rumbling
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with the croaking bellowing laughter chasing him. He was doomed... and
he
knew it.
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his
drink.
"I guess I could have just told him to go to
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List and use the one
click unsubscribe URL at the end of page", he muttered under his breath.
No, he smiled to himself. That would have been all too easy. Still
chuckling to himself, he reached into his pocket and pulled out the
magazine
he had been reading before the newcomer interrupted him. He quickly
thumbed
through the slick and edge worn pages until he found his place. He never
missed a single word of each and every issue of Martha Stewart Living...
Anonymous
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Pascal wrote:
follow instructions:
- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List Use the Matronics List
Features Navigator to many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription
From: Jmsfrnch
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 6:32 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
During November!
Please unsubscribe me from this forum
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
To: rv10-list
Sent: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 4:28
Subject: RV10-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
During November!
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued
operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's
solely
through the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics
Lists are
possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows
on any
of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site
http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or
other
related pages such as the List Search Engine
http://www.matronics.com/search ,
List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because
I
believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all
enjoy -
namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every
couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for
your
patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these
regular
messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to
pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. YOUR personal
Contribution
counts!
This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go
along
with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are over 30
different
gifts to choose from - more than we've ever had before! There's
something for
everyone, to be sure. Most all of these gifts have been provided by
some of the
vary members and vendors that you'll find on the Matronics Lists and
they have
been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous members include:
Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com
Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection
http://www.aeroelectric.com
Corbin Glowacki of My Pilot Store http://www.mypilotstore.com
George Race of Race Consulting http://www.mrrace.com/
Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com
These are very generous guys and I encourage you to visit their
respective web
sites. Each one offers a unique and excellent aviation-related product
line. I
would like publicly to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon their
generous
support of the Lists again this year!!
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three
methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a
qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial
AND moral
support over the years!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot
_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
ank">www.mrrace.com
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get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Front Tire Installation
From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
I would definitely order the Matco axle. It allows you to pre-load the bearings
independent of tightening the axle nut. I think you will find a thread in regards
to this issue either here or on VAF.
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411996#411996
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| Subject: | Re: Front Tire Installation |
| From: | Vernon Franklin <vernon.franklin(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you. Found it, and ordered the Matco axle and spacers.
Next question, on the main's bearings, is it advised to grease up the
felt dust covers or leave them dry?
What is the best practice with these?
Vernon
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:49 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
>
> I would definitely order the Matco axle. It allows you to pre-load the bearings
independent of tightening the axle nut. I think you will find a thread in
regards to this issue either here or on VAF.
>
> --------
> Bill
> WA0SYV
> Aviation Partners, LLC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411996#411996
>
>
--
Vernon Franklin
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Oil/Air Separator |
| From: | Karol Hansen <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com> |
If I searched the archives properly it looks like the last time this subject was
brought up was about 2008, or 5 years ago. Would sure appreciate some good
feedback from some flying folks who have used the Andair OS850#4 Oil/Air Separator,
and the CT850 Condensation Trap. I bought these at OSH and am ready to
install them - but see a few issues. One is the IO-540 breather line is 1 inch
on the Lycoming Vans bought engine. The Andair separator line is 3/4 inch,
in and out. Probably not a problem, but don't like the reduction in size on
a breather line. So before I select to go this route, would sure appreciate any
input from anyone who has installed this unit and how it works - good, bad,
or indifferent.
Did you reduce the line only at the separator (in and out)? Stated another way,
at the 1 inch breather output fitting on the engine, did you go immediately
to a 3/4 inch hose, or run 1 inch hose to the separator, then reduce to the
3/4?
Did it reduce your belly oil???
Did it work as advertised?
Am I going to be the guinea pig on this one?
On my 6A with new engine not rebuilt, I just set it up per plans and wiped the
belly a few times per year - not a big deal. Just wanted to at least improve
upon/reduce, or, (wishful thinking) eliminate this need!
What say you drivers?
Thanks Much,
Rich Hansen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Network Issues At Matronics Last Few Days... |
Dear Listers,
Starting sometime on Friday November 1st, my Internet Service Provider (ISP) began "upgrading" their Domain Name Servers (DNS). DNS servers allow the resolution of computer names such as "www.matronics.com" to real addresses such as 64.81.74.3. This also impacts email delivery as well, since there is another layer of resolution that applies to email names.
Because of this upgrade on the part of my ISP, DNS service started getting unreliable
around Friday sometime, but I didn't notice it until sometime on Saturday.
When I used a tool called "nslookup" to test the resolution of name-to-address,
about 50-75% of the time my ISP's servers would response with an "SERVFAIL"
indicating that they didn't know the answer. I opened a ticket with the
ISP on Saturday, and by Sunday afternoon I had no feedback on the ticket so I
called in to support. "We upgrading the DNS servers, and it should back by Sunday
at 5pm." 5pm came and went with no resolution.
Well, long story short by Tuesday morning things were still not fixed and in fact
much worse. So, I opted to move all my DNS service to a different service
provider. I have a lot of DNS entries, so it took a while to get everything moved
over. It generally takes about 24 hours for a change like that to fully
propagate across the Internet which would be Wednesday morning sometime. I've
noticed that the Matronics web server traffic is picking up again, so many sites
have already propagated the new information.
I really should have just moved the DNS on Saturday when I first noticed the troubles,
but with stuff like this, you just keep believing that it gonna be fixed
any minute now.... And, in fact, that's what my ISP kept telling me...
Its always a giant bummer when stuff like this happens and particularly during
the Fund Raiser. I apologize to anyone that has tried to make a Contribution
in the last few days and had issues or was simply unable to connect. By the time
you read this email, the DNS should be fully propagated, and I ask that you
please try again.
The Contribution web site URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your kind consideration and patience,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: AeroElectric-List: matronics servers have the flu |
FYI
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: AeroElectric-List: matronics servers have the flu
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 22:15:50 -0600
From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com>
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
It seems that the ISP that hosts Matt's Internet portal
did something dumb with their domain name servers. My
access to any features on matronics have been sketchy
at best. Matt's not getting very good answers from
the so-called 'service reps' . . .
I think we're in good hands . . . Matt's trying
to chase the rats out of the woodpile.
Bob . . .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
Guys
My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where
it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory.
Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in the
baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit?
Regards
Carlos
Enviado do meu iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
| From: | David Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com> |
I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing.
Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
Dave Leikam
On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
> Guys
>
> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where
it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory.
>
> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in
the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit?
>
> Regards
> Carlos
>
> Enviado do meu iPhone
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for a total
of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you transfer
into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:07 PM, David Leikam wrote:
>
>
> I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing.
> Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
>
> Dave Leikam
>
>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>>
>>
>> Guys
>>
>> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
>> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where
it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory.
>>
>> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in
the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit?
>>
>> Regards
>> Carlos
>>
>> Enviado do meu iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
I recall some one offered a 7.5 gal tank to go in each wing tip to achieve
75 gal, or 1 extra hour endurance.
Many aircraft have added baggage compartment tanks, either ridgid or
bladder, that could be teed into one of the main tanks with a wobble pump
or electric pump.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for
> a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you
> transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse(at)itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> www.mavericklsa.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> O: 352-465-4545
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:07 PM, David Leikam wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing.
> > Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
> >
> > Dave Leikam
> >
> >> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Guys
> >>
> >> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
> >> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in
> Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the
> territory.
> >>
> >> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel
> tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any
> aftermarket kit?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> Enviado do meu iPhone
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
- sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Front seats value |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
I need to ship my front seats off for upholstery. Given the nature of
shipping, I would like to insure them for something near replacement cost
for the seat frames and conforfoam cushions.
I cannot find any listing on "the List" to give a price, and the plans
don't have a part number. Anyone have what Van's would charge (or is it
Oregon Aero?) to replace the seats if the shipping company lost them or put
a fork lift through the box?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Front seats value |
| From: | "mds4878" <mike.nova1973(at)gmail.com> |
I priced the seats one year ago and they were 4,400.00
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RV-10 #40447
Fuselage almost done.
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seats value |
I've tried to get a quote for the seats so we could use them in other
planes. The short answer is they're only available to Vans and Vans
doesn't sell the seats outright. I imagine you could get replacements if
they were damaged, but it wouldn't be a straightforward order.
During my efforts I did glean the cost for a pair of seats...$15,000.
Three zeros. Why the seats are more than the finish kit is beyond me.
That price was from Oregon Aero before they told me they weren't actually
for sale.
Get a quote from Vans before you insure them. Or take them to upholstery
yourself!
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> I need to ship my front seats off for upholstery. Given the nature of
> shipping, I would like to insure them for something near replacement cost
> for the seat frames and conforfoam cushions.
> I cannot find any listing on "the List" to give a price, and the plans
> don't have a part number. Anyone have what Van's would charge (or is it
> Oregon Aero?) to replace the seats if the shipping company lost them or put
> a fork lift through the box?
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seats value |
each, which is less than what I was told they were by Oregon Aero.
-----Original Message-----
From: mds4878
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Front seats value
I priced the seats one year ago and they were 4,400.00
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| Subject: | Re: Front seats value |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Finish kit is $15,000 and change now. Includes main gear, engine mount,
cowling, wheel pants and fairings, among other items. So it sounds like 2/3
the cost is the front seats. That seems hugely out of line for cushions
that are worth maybe $500 and aluminum frame with canvass seat bottom. That
will definitely put insurance cost above shipping cost.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> each, which is less than what I was told they were by Oregon Aero.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: mds4878 Sent: Wednesday, November 06,
> 2013 6:23 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: Front
> seats value
>
> I priced the seats one year ago and they were 4,400.00
>
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| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
Safeair1, I think, has the tip tanks.
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I recall some one offered a 7.5 gal tank to go in each wing tip to achieve
75 gal, or 1 extra hour endurance.
> Many aircraft have added baggage compartment tanks, either ridgid or bladd
er, that could be teed into one of the main tanks with a wobble pump or elec
tric pump.
>
>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint wro
te:
>>
>> We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for
a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you
transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> I-TEC, Inc.
>> jesse(at)itecusa.org
>> www.itecusa.org
>> www.mavericklsa.com
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> O: 352-465-4545
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:07 PM, David Leikam wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing.
>> > Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
>> >
>> > Dave Leikam
>> >
>> >> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote
:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Guys
>> >>
>> >> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
>> >> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Afric
a, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territ
ory.
>> >>
>> >> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel t
ank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any afterm
arket kit?
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Carlos
>> >>
>> >> Enviado do meu iPhone
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Front seats value |
| From: | "mds4878" <mike.nova1973(at)gmail.com> |
The reason why I got a price for seats was that I have been buying my finish kit
as I needed parts of it and I need the seats soon. I called about one year ago
and asked how much and it took about a day or so and they called me back with
4,400.00 plus shipping for the pair with foam. I did have to provide my kit
number.
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seats value |
Thank you. Very helpful.
Kelly
40866, forever finishing
On 11/6/2013 8:00 PM, mds4878 wrote:
>
> The reason why I got a price for seats was that I have been buying my finish
kit as I needed parts of it and I need the seats soon. I called about one year
ago and asked how much and it took about a day or so and they called me back
with 4,400.00 plus shipping for the pair with foam. I did have to provide my kit
number.
>
> --------
> RV-10 #40447
> Fuselage almost done.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412312#412312
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Front seats value |
| From: | "mds4878" <mike.nova1973(at)gmail.com> |
I talked to Oregon Aero also about the seats and the only way they could sell them
to me was as certified models that are used in other aircraft. He told me
the same seat is used in three other aircraft but He could not sell a "RV10" seat
because of the agreement with Van's.
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and tubes |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Isn't "leakguard" the stock tubes Van's sells? I'm still finding they lose
about 10 psi over 2-3 months, so would rather go with something less leaky.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> This is what I have my -10 sitting on:
> 15/600-6 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the "New Easy Valve" for the
> mains, and 500-5 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the TR-67 Valve for the
> nose.
> The tube for the mains was designed for Cirri, that have similar wheel
> pants access issues.
> Leakguard is Desser's in-house branding of what is supposed to be same as
> Air Stop at lower cost. I think I put air in them once over past year to
> make moving fuselage easier.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>
>> Based on feedback here, I think I'm going to stick with the Aero Classics
>> tires, but switch to Michelan Airstop tubes. Anyone have an issue with
>> this combination? Are there different valve stem angle options with these
>> tubes? Thanks much...
>>
>> -Rob
>>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tires and tubes |
Leakguard is what Desser Tire sells as lower cost equivalent to Michelin
Air Stop. I doubt that Vans supplies anything but the cheapest standard
variety tubes.
On 11/7/2013 1:54 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Isn't "leakguard" the stock tubes Van's sells? I'm still finding they
> lose about 10 psi over 2-3 months, so would rather go with something
> less leaky.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote:
>
> This is what I have my -10 sitting on:
> 15/600-6 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the "New Easy Valve" for the
> mains, and 500-5 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the TR-67 Valve for the
> nose.
> The tube for the mains was designed for Cirri, that have similar
> wheel pants access issues.
> Leakguard is Desser's in-house branding of what is supposed to be
> same as Air Stop at lower cost. I think I put air in them once
> over past year to make moving fuselage easier.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Rob Kochman > wrote:
>
> Based on feedback here, I think I'm going to stick with the
> Aero Classics tires, but switch to Michelan Airstop tubes.
> Anyone have an issue with this combination? Are there
> different valve stem angle options with these tubes? Thanks
> much...
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tires and tubes |
Not in my kit. I just replaced all my tubes with the Leakguards. The
ones I took off were not Leakguards. My experience has been the same
with the non-leakguards. I will know in a few months whether the
Leakguards are better.
Why did I replace them all? Because 1) I swapped tires for even wear
and one is supposed to replace the tubes at that point as I understand
it, and 2) I had a badly cracked front Matco wheel which I replaced.
Just FYI, I did replace the kit supplied wheel with the Matco
WHLNW511.25 which as others have explained, is a better spec for this
application.
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=7984&log=180210&row=1
Bill "trying to conjure up a heat duct scheme for the rear heat vents
so my copilot doesn't have to pack a blanket" Watson
On 11/7/2013 3:54 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Isn't "leakguard" the stock tubes Van's sells? I'm still finding they
> lose about 10 psi over 2-3 months, so would rather go with something
> less leaky.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote:
>
> This is what I have my -10 sitting on:
> 15/600-6 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the "New Easy Valve" for the
> mains, and 500-5 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the TR-67 Valve for the
> nose.
> The tube for the mains was designed for Cirri, that have similar
> wheel pants access issues.
> Leakguard is Desser's in-house branding of what is supposed to be
> same as Air Stop at lower cost. I think I put air in them once
> over past year to make moving fuselage easier.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Rob Kochman > wrote:
>
> Based on feedback here, I think I'm going to stick with the
> Aero Classics tires, but switch to Michelan Airstop tubes.
> Anyone have an issue with this combination? Are there
> different valve stem angle options with these tubes? Thanks
> much...
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Headliner |
| From: | "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net> |
John: How did you finish the depressions around the hinge bolts?
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Headliner |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I just covered it with the fabric as if the depression wasn't there. It stays in
place with a touch of rubber cement and the McMaster Carr edging. No air leaks
because of the edging.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Headliner |
| From: | "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net> |
Thanks for the prompt reply. Do you mind telling me which edging you used? Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Headliner |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I can't find the exact part number, but it's the same stuff everyone else is using
from McMaster Carr.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Headliner |
| From: | "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net> |
Are you rerferring to the weather stripping around the door?
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Headliner |
It is the 'weatherstripping' but do take some care with the ordering.
The McMaster Carr part I used was 1120A411 - bulb opposite grabber (very
important, especially if using a headliner), 1/4" edge. I also played
around with the 3/8" edge.
If you go this route, decide what edge width you want, make it that
width, and order the weatherstripping size you want.
There's plenty of info in the archives.
On 11/8/2013 5:27 PM, johngoodman wrote:
>
> I can't find the exact part number, but it's the same stuff everyone else is
using from McMaster Carr.
> John
>
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| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
Thank you all for the answers.
Since almost all were about extra tanks in the wings, is anyone out
there aware of extra tanks on the baggage compartment?
Builders who done it, or after-market kit?
Carlos
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: quinta-feira, 7 de Novembro de 2013 02:51
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Extra fuel tank
Safeair1, I think, has the tip tanks.
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
I recall some one offered a 7.5 gal tank to go in each wing tip to
achieve 75 gal, or 1 extra hour endurance.
Many aircraft have added baggage compartment tanks, either ridgid or
bladder, that could be teed into one of the main tanks with a wobble
pump or electric pump.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint
wrote:
We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks
for a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate
and you transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:07 PM, David Leikam wrote:
>
>
> I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing.
> Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
>
> Dave Leikam
>
>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo
wrote:
>>
>>
>> Guys
>>
>> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
>> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in
Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of
the territory.
>>
>> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel
tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any
aftermarket kit?
>>
>> Regards
>> Carlos
>>
>> Enviado do meu iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
| From: | Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com> |
One Caution.
Putting additional weight out at the tips of the wings will change spin /
roll characteristics. Make sure who ever is supplying the tanks will
verify spin testing has been performed for the additional mass / moment
arms involved.
But then you are the manufacturer and you own that verification.
Jim C
Almost flying again
N312F
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> Thank you all for the answers.
>
>
> Since almost all were about extra tanks in the wings, is anyone out there
> aware of extra tanks on the baggage compartment?
>
> Builders who done it, or after-market kit?
>
>
> Carlos
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint
> *Sent:* quinta-feira, 7 de Novembro de 2013 02:51
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Extra fuel tank
>
>
> Safeair1, I think, has the tip tanks.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I recall some one offered a 7.5 gal tank to go in each wing tip to achieve
> 75 gal, or 1 extra hour endurance.
>
> Many aircraft have added baggage compartment tanks, either ridgid or
> bladder, that could be teed into one of the main tanks with a wobble pump
> or electric pump.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint
> wrote:
>
>
> We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for
> a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you
> transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse(at)itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> www.mavericklsa.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> O: 352-465-4545
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> > On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:07 PM, David Leikam wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing.
> > Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
> >
> > Dave Leikam
> >
> >> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Guys
> >>
> >> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
> >> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in
> Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the
> territory.
> >>
> >> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel
> tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any
> aftermarket kit?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> Enviado do meu iPhone
> >>
> >>
> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
| From: | "kevino" <Kosheawwd(at)gmail.com> |
I have an 18 gal metal tank in baggage comp. plumb it directly into and and air
four way valve. Use while enroute
Wt and bal is good. Helps with forward cg. Am very pleased with it. Weighs about
15#. Had a local fabricator build it for me. Obviously cannot use with four
people in ac.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412630#412630
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
While I don't see any need for an extra fuel tank for my needs, I can see
someone wanting a ferry tank.
My neighbor is the guy who now owns the world record for single engine
non-stop endurance, Guam to Jacksonville. He did it in a Lancair 4. I
watched him make the five or so ferry tanks that fit exactly into each
available space inside the airplane. All tanks were made of carbon fiber
and are exceptionally light.
If I ever want a ferry tank I'd go the same way he did. I suspect I'd build
them to fit in the rear seat passenger foot wells, then perhaps another tank
going across the top of those two tanks and extending over the rear seat
deck. This would help with W&B and as there would be no rear passengers
with all this added fuel weight taking up the passenger space is not an
issue.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevino
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extra fuel tank
I have an 18 gal metal tank in baggage comp. plumb it directly into and and
air four way valve. Use while enroute Wt and bal is good. Helps with forward
cg. Am very pleased with it. Weighs about 15#. Had a local fabricator build
it for me. Obviously cannot use with four people in ac.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412630#412630
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| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
Hi Kevino
That's exactly what I was looking for. I am going to to send you a PM.
Thanks
Carlos
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevino
Sent: domingo, 10 de Novembro de 2013 14:38
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extra fuel tank
I have an 18 gal metal tank in baggage comp. plumb it directly into and and
air four way valve. Use while enroute Wt and bal is good. Helps with forward
cg. Am very pleased with it. Weighs about 15#. Had a local fabricator build
it for me. Obviously cannot use with four people in ac.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412630#412630
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| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I note that the 18 gal tank will put 120 lbs in the baggage area. When I built
my 10, Vans recommended a max of 150 lbs in the baggage area. But I see that current
kits have a recommended limit of 100 lbs. Does anyone know why the change
was made? Does the recommendation apply to all aircraft or only newer ones
(was there a structural change?)?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412833#412833
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
I think it may have always been 100. I know I've seen that for many years
and was always curious as to why.
Tim
On 11/11/2013 12:39 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> I note that the 18 gal tank will put 120 lbs in the baggage area. When I built
my 10, Vans recommended a max of 150 lbs in the baggage area. But I see that
current kits have a recommended limit of 100 lbs. Does anyone know why the change
was made? Does the recommendation apply to all aircraft or only newer ones
(was there a structural change?)?
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
When you do the weight and balance it pulls everything aft. forget trying to
put an adult back there with the fuel loaded up, however, that will take you
out of C/G.
I can tell you that the tail section can tolerate 170lbs. I tested it when I
did and do my annuals, so I doubt it's a structural issue with the baggage
area.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Turner
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extra fuel tank
I note that the 18 gal tank will put 120 lbs in the baggage area. When I
built my 10, Vans recommended a max of 150 lbs in the baggage area. But I
see that current kits have a recommended limit of 100 lbs. Does anyone know
why the change was made? Does the recommendation apply to all aircraft or
only newer ones (was there a structural change?)?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412833#412833
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| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Tim Olson wrote:
> I think it may have always been 100. I know I've seen that for many years
> and was always curious as to why.
>
> Tim
> On 11/11/2013 12:39 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
The weight and balance paperwork that came with my finish kit definitely says 150
lbs.
Bob
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412838#412838
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| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tank |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
rv10flyer(at)live.com wrote:
>
> I can tell you that the tail section can tolerate 170lbs. I tested it when I
> did and do my annuals, so I doubt it's a structural issue with the baggage
> area.
>
> --
I believe the issue is what it can tolerate if you pull 3.8g, e.g., if the load
limit is 100 lbs then it needs to be able to support 380 lbs static.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412841#412841
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| Subject: | Re: Oil/Air Separator |
| From: | "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com> |
Rich,
I am using the Andair air/oil separator with the condensation trap. The unit works
as advertised. With the old separator I originally used, I always had an
oil stream on the bottom of the aircraft after flying. The Andair separator eliminates
the need to wipe the bottom of the airplane after each flight.
I used a hose reducer fitting to hook a 1" hose to a 3/4" hose.
Greg...
Www.nwacaptain.com
--------
Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
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| From: | Rich Hansen <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Oil/ Air Separator |
Thank you Greg,
That is exactly the info/pirep I was looking for. I appreciate your input!
Rich
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> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil/Air Separator
> From: "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com>
>
>
> Rich,
> I am using the Andair air/oil separator with the condensation trap. The unit
works
> as advertised. With the old separator I originally used, I always had an
> oil stream on the bottom of the aircraft after flying. The Andair separator
eliminates
> the need to wipe the bottom of the airplane after each flight.
> I used a hose reducer fitting to hook a 1" hose to a 3/4" hose.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Please take me off the list
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-7 loss -> tail inspections -> spar cracks and loose |
jam nuts found
Tim,
I've had a reminder about this on my desk for a few weeks now. I finally
got around to checking my rudder and found the center hinge jam nut loose.
All the others, rudder and elevator, were tight. I'll pay closer
attention on preflight now. Thanks for the heads up.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Tim Lewis wrote:
>
> A thread at VAF discusses the results of empenage inspections after the
> recent loss of an RV-7. (http://www.vansairforce.com/
> community/showthread.php?t=104551) A couple of spar cracks were found,
> as were several instances of loose jam nuts on rudder/elevator rod end
> bearings.
>
> Those rod end bearings form the hinge pivot for our elevators and rudders.
> My understanding: If the jam nut is tight, the spar is held in
> compression between the rod end bearing's plate nut and jam nut. If the
> jam nut comes loose, the loads from the rod end bearing transfer to the
> rudder/elevator spar only through the rivets holding the platenuts to the
> spar. Not so good.
>
> Prompted by this thread, I inspected my RV-10 tail structure. No spar
> cracks found. But I found that the top rudder rod end bearing jam nut
> (page 11-7, similar to plans page 11-2) was loose. The torque seal on
> this nut was (obviously) broken.
>
> Tim
>
> -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
> RV-10 N31TD -- 400 hrs
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com> |
Where have we been getting replacement door struts?=0A-=0AGod Bless Ameri
ca=0A(please) -:)=0A=0A=0ABruce
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Door Struts, |
Vans stocks both the standard and heavy duty struts, I know there are a co
uple places that sells them for a few bucks less, but I don't recall their n
ames.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wro
te:
>
> Where have we been getting replacement door struts?
>
> God Bless America
> (please) :)
>
>
> Bruce
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Door Struts, |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
IIRC you can google the part number on the strut and locate at one of your
favorite automotive sources. Shockingly, I don't believe they are an
aircraft part. ;-)
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> Vans stocks both the standard and heavy duty struts, I know there are a
> couple places that sells them for a few bucks less, but I don't recall
> their names.
>
> Bob
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Bruce Johnson
> wrote:
>
> Where have we been getting replacement door struts?
>
> God Bless America
> (please) :)
>
>
> Bruce
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
- sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Door Struts, |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone have the part number for the heavy duty strut? I'm ordering
new, not replacing.
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> IIRC you can google the part number on the strut and locate at one of your
> favorite automotive sources. Shockingly, I don't believe they are an
> aircraft part. ;-)
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Door Struts, |
Stabilus, Lift-O-Mat part number 2218LP
On 11/14/13, 7:53 AM, Ed Kranz wrote:
> Does anyone have the part number for the heavy duty strut? I'm
> ordering new, not replacing.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Kelly McMullen > wrote:
>
> IIRC you can google the part number on the strut and locate at one
> of your favorite automotive sources. Shockingly, I don't believe
> they are an aircraft part. ;-)
>
> *
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
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Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
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is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
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USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)cox.net> |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of hotwheels
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: door struts
JWF Technologies, 6820 Fairfield Business Drive, Fairfield, OH 45014.
Phone 513-769-9611. www.JWFtechnologies.com .
The struts are Stabilus, Lift-O-Mat part number 2218LP and cost was ~$80
each.
Regards,
Jay
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369935#369935
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Builders Insurance |
I was shocked today to get renewal quote covering my project, same
broker, at same limits, same deductible, same underwriter, for not in
motion coverage, in a locked hangar at airport, equipped with
sprinklers, to be 50% higher than last year. What has happened in
insurance world for such an increase? On the other hand, coverage for
flight insurance when I need that, is in line with what has been
mentioned here previously.
Kelly
Finishing and finishing and finishing
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Is there more than one location to install an oil temp probe |
| From: | "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> |
Hi,
I am thinking to install the oil temp controller from experimentalgoodies.com,
I am not sure if there is a second port on the TMX-IO-540 to install an oil temp
probe. I don't have my manual with me and won't be in the hangar for a couple
of days so I 'd appreciate if someone could help.
Thanks
Mike
--------
RV-10 builder (flying, test phase)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413202#413202
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Is there more than one location to install an oil temp |
probe
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Yes. There are plugs at the front of the engine that are used during
overhaul to clean the oil galleys. You can remove one (very carefully) with
an appropriately sized allen socket.
It is worth having the right size that you can put a 3/8s ratchet wrench
on. You may have to also apply some heat with a propane torch in that area
to loosen whatever sealant was used on the plug. They are difficult to get
loose, and you darn sure do not want to round off the flats on the allen
plug.
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Mike Whisky wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I am thinking to install the oil temp controller from
> experimentalgoodies.com, I am not sure if there is a second port on the
> TMX-IO-540 to install an oil temp probe. I don't have my manual with me and
> won't be in the hangar for a couple of days so I 'd appreciate if someone
> could help.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
> --------
> RV-10 builder (flying, test phase)
> #511
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413202#413202
>
>
--
- sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
"Builders' Insurance" remains a mystery to me. When I was building the cost of
the Builders' Insurance was 2/3 what I pay now for a flying airplane, including
liability as well as hull. Do insurance companies think that 2/3 of the risk
happens in the hangar?
It could be that (1) theft is easier when avionics, and maybe engines, are in nice
boxes instead of mounted; or (2) last year saw some low cost carriers drop
out of the -10 market. Maybe there now is no competition?
Bob
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413215#413215
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
Where are you guys getting builder's insurance? I got mine through
EAA. I don't have "real" insurance yet, but I know the $$ I am paying
for builder's insurance is not going to even be 1/3 of what it will be.
I think I am paying around $800/yr for builder's insurance.
-Sean #40303 (putting everything back on)
On 11/16/13, 3:24 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> "Builders' Insurance" remains a mystery to me. When I was building the cost of
the Builders' Insurance was 2/3 what I pay now for a flying airplane, including
liability as well as hull. Do insurance companies think that 2/3 of the risk
happens in the hangar?
> It could be that (1) theft is easier when avionics, and maybe engines, are in
nice boxes instead of mounted; or (2) last year saw some low cost carriers drop
out of the -10 market. Maybe there now is no competition?
>
> Bob
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413215#413215
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I also got mine thru EAA which really means the Falcon agency, and I forget the
actual carrier. It cost 1% of the declared value, which pushed it well into 4
figures by the time I had virtually all the pieces in the hangar. I think it
was $1400, for $140,000 coverage. I paid for it mostly because it covered the
15 mile trip to the airport from my garage. Maybe that was where all the risk
was, I do not know.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413217#413217
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
I self insured until the big move to the airport. That being said my work shop
is 50' from my house and is well lite, secured, and alarmed. It was still a relief
when I purchased full coverage insurance a few days before I moved it to
the hanger.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:29:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance
I also got mine thru EAA which really means the Falcon agency, and I forget the
actual carrier. It cost 1% of the declared value, which pushed it well into 4
figures by the time I had virtually all the pieces in the hangar. I think it
was $1400, for $140,000 coverage. I paid for it mostly because it covered the
15 mile trip to the airport from my garage. Maybe that was where all the risk
was, I do not know.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413217#413217
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
I guess I have a bit different situation. I have done all of my building
at my hangar, at a public airport, which has security gates, police
patrol, well lit, with well maintained sprinkler system. I only bought
insurance once I had over $120K into the project. My coverage through
NationAir and Global last year was $600, and for same exact coverage and
stated value, this year, they want $900. I only pay around $1400 for my
retractable gear Mooney for full coverage in flight etc. Granted the
hull value is much less, but the exposure to damage is much higher.
On 11/16/2013 4:19 PM, davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net wrote:
> I self insured until the big move to the airport. That being said my
> work shop is 50' from my house and is well lite, secured, and
> alarmed. It was still a relief when I purchased full coverage
> insurance a few days before I moved it to the hanger.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
> *To: *rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:29:21 PM
> *Subject: *RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance
>
>
> I also got mine thru EAA which really means the Falcon agency, and I
> forget the actual carrier. It cost 1% of the declared value, which
> pushed it well into 4 figures by the time I had virtually all the
> pieces in the hangar. I think it was $1400, for $140,000 coverage. I
> paid for it mostly because it covered the 15 mile trip to the airport
> from my garage. Maybe that was where all the risk was, I do not know.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413217#413217
>
>
> *
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
So, 3 years ago I would have been paying $1200, so you're still ahead. I think
two years ago the premiums went from 1% to 0.5%; maybe they decided the reduction
was too much.
One issue is that the market is so small, overhead costs get amortized over relatively
few policies. I'll bet they can't generate a piece of paper for less than
$100.
Similar issue: What do you think the insurance companies want to cover me while
giving transition training (I have a LODA)? How about a 50% premium increase,
for an estimated 20 hours of dual given per year? The risk/cost ratio seems all
out of wack to me.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413224#413224
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
Perhaps the low initial rate was to get you as a new customer?
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413243#413243
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today! |
Dear Listers,
The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists this year
is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 25%. We got off to a
slow start this year with the network DNS issues on the kickoff weekend, so please
take this opportunity to show your support for the Matronics Lists and Forums!
Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that keep these Lists
and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members
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Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free
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Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
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USA
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
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Email List and Forums Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David J. Fritzsche" <dfritz(at)bpgsim.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today! |
Matt,
I donated several weeks ago but still receive appeal messages. Did you
receive my donation?
Dave Fritzsche
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David J. Fritzsche
Professor, Retired
Penn State
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 11/18/2013 12:26 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists this year
is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 25%. We got off to
a slow start this year with the network DNS issues on the kickoff weekend, so
please take this opportunity to show your support for the Matronics Lists and
Forums!
>
> Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that keep these
Lists and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members
don't want to support the Lists directly, then I might have to add advertisements
to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I don't want to have to
do that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a
lot of the members appreciate that too.
>
> Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued
ad-free operation of all these Lists:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>
> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
> USA
>
> I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List and Forums Administrator
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Contribution Received |
At 08:45 AM 11/18/2013 Monday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>
>I donated several weeks ago but still receive appeal messages. Did you receive
my donation?
>
>Dave Fritzsche
Hi Dave,
Yes, your Contribution was received on 11/9.
The reason the squelch isn't working is because the email address you are subscribed
with "dfritz(at)bpgsim.com" doesn't match the email address with which you
made your Contribution. The two email addresses have to match exactly for the
squelch to function properly.
I've updated your Contribution email to match your subscription email, so you should
be good for the future.
Thank you for your generous Contribution, Dave. It is very much appreciated.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today! |
Same here. I donated several weeks ago, but still receive these
messages.
David Maib
On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:45 AM, David J. Fritzsche wrote:
Matt,
I donated several weeks ago but still receive appeal messages. Did you
receive my donation?
Dave Fritzsche
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David J. Fritzsche
Professor, Retired
Penn State
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 11/18/2013 12:26 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists
this year is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 25%.
We got off to a slow start this year with the network DNS issues on the
kickoff weekend, so please take this opportunity to show your support
for the Matronics Lists and Forums!
>
> Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that
keep these Lists and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD
FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I
might have to add advertisements to offset the costs of running the
Lists. But I don't want to have to do that. I really like the
non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members
appreciate that too.
>
> Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the
continued ad-free operation of all these Lists:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>
> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
> USA
>
> I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that
have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists!
Thank you!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List and Forums Administrator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
David Maib
dmaib(at)me.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today! |
I'd just shoot him a note to Matt Dralle and
let him know. I'm not sure how the names get removed from the list,
but it seems some people slip through. I donated a couple weeks ago
and didn't see anything after that. It could be that in the
area that you select which lists you're subscribed to, you missed
one....I'm not sure how that works, but I know I had to remember
to check 6 or 7 lists.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 11/18/2013 8:07 PM, David Maib wrote:
> Same here. I donated several weeks ago, but still receive these messages.
>
> David Maib
>
> On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:45 AM, David J. Fritzsche wrote:
>
> >
>
> Matt,
>
> I donated several weeks ago but still receive appeal messages. Did you
> receive my donation?
>
> Dave Fritzsche
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> David J. Fritzsche
> Professor, Retired
> Penn State
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> On 11/18/2013 12:26 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists
>> this year is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly
>> 25%. We got off to a slow start this year with the network DNS issues
>> on the kickoff weekend, so please take this opportunity to show your
>> support for the Matronics Lists and Forums!
>>
>> Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that
>> keep these Lists and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD
>> FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I
>> might have to add advertisements to offset the costs of running the
>> Lists. But I don't want to have to do that. I really like the
>> non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members
>> appreciate that too.
>>
>> Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the
>> continued ad-free operation of all these Lists:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>>
>> Matt Dralle / Matronics
>> 581 Jeannie Way
>> Livermore CA 94550
>> USA
>>
>> I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that
>> have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists!
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>> Email List and Forums Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.matronics.com/co -Matt
> Dralle, List - The RV10-List -->
> http://www.matronics=======================
>
>
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
>
>
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
> David Maib
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>dmaib@me.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today! |
Matt responded earlier:
The reason the squelch isn't working is because the email address you are
subscribed with "XX(at)xx.x" doesn't match the email address with which you
made your Contribution. The two email addresses have to match exactly for
the squelch to function properly.
I've updated your Contribution email to match your subscription email, so
you should be good for the future.
I have not seen anything either so it works for me
Pascal
grateful to Matt for this forum.. (and his Dynon / VP200 support!)
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today!
I'd just shoot him a note to Matt Dralle and
let him know. I'm not sure how the names get removed from the list,
but it seems some people slip through. I donated a couple weeks ago
and didn't see anything after that. It could be that in the
area that you select which lists you're subscribed to, you missed
one....I'm not sure how that works, but I know I had to remember
to check 6 or 7 lists.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 11/18/2013 8:07 PM, David Maib wrote:
> Same here. I donated several weeks ago, but still receive these messages.
>
> David Maib
>
> On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:45 AM, David J. Fritzsche wrote:
>
> >
>
> Matt,
>
> I donated several weeks ago but still receive appeal messages. Did you
> receive my donation?
>
> Dave Fritzsche
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> David J. Fritzsche
> Professor, Retired
> Penn State
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> On 11/18/2013 12:26 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists
>> this year is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly
>> 25%. We got off to a slow start this year with the network DNS issues
>> on the kickoff weekend, so please take this opportunity to show your
>> support for the Matronics Lists and Forums!
>>
>> Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that
>> keep these Lists and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD
>> FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I
>> might have to add advertisements to offset the costs of running the
>> Lists. But I don't want to have to do that. I really like the
>> non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members
>> appreciate that too.
>>
>> Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the
>> continued ad-free operation of all these Lists:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>>
>> Matt Dralle / Matronics
>> 581 Jeannie Way
>> Livermore CA 94550
>> USA
>>
>> I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that
>> have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists!
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>> Email List and Forums Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.matronics.com/co -Matt
> Dralle, List - The RV10-List -->
> http://www.matronics=======================
>
>
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
>
>
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
> David Maib
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>dmaib@me.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today! |
Yes, that is correct. The subscribed email address and the contribution email
address must match exactly for the squelch to work.
Also note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the
Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are
anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.
Thank you to everyone that has made a contribution so far! It is very much appreciated!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
At 07:20 PM 11/18/2013 Monday, you wrote:
>
>Matt responded earlier:
>The reason the squelch isn't working is because the email address you are subscribed
with "XX(at)xx.x" doesn't match the email address with which you made your
Contribution. The two email addresses have to match exactly for the squelch
to function properly.
>
>I've updated your Contribution email to match your subscription email, so you
should be good for the future.
>I have not seen anything either so it works for me
>
>Pascal
>grateful to Matt for this forum.. (and his Dynon / VP200 support!)
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson
>Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 6:26 PM
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today!
>
>
>I'd just shoot him a note to Matt Dralle and
>let him know. I'm not sure how the names get removed from the list,
>but it seems some people slip through. I donated a couple weeks ago
>and didn't see anything after that. It could be that in the
>area that you select which lists you're subscribed to, you missed
>one....I'm not sure how that works, but I know I had to remember
>to check 6 or 7 lists.
>
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>On 11/18/2013 8:07 PM, David Maib wrote:
>>Same here. I donated several weeks ago, but still receive these messages.
>>
>>David Maib
>>
>>On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:45 AM, David J. Fritzsche wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>Matt,
>>
>>I donated several weeks ago but still receive appeal messages. Did you
>>receive my donation?
>>
>>Dave Fritzsche
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>David J. Fritzsche
>>Professor, Retired
>>Penn State
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>On 11/18/2013 12:26 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Listers,
>>>
>>>The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists
>>>this year is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly
>>>25%. We got off to a slow start this year with the network DNS issues
>>>on the kickoff weekend, so please take this opportunity to show your
>>>support for the Matronics Lists and Forums!
>>>
>>>Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that
>>>keep these Lists and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD
>>>FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I
>>>might have to add advertisements to offset the costs of running the
>>>Lists. But I don't want to have to do that. I really like the
>>>non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members
>>>appreciate that too.
>>>
>>>Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the
>>>continued ad-free operation of all these Lists:
>>>
>>>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>>Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>>>
>>> Matt Dralle / Matronics
>>> 581 Jeannie Way
>>> Livermore CA 94550
>>> USA
>>>
>>>I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that
>>>have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists!
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>Matt Dralle
>>>Email List and Forums Administrator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/co -Matt
>> Dralle, List - The RV10-List -->
>> http://www.matronics=======================
>>
>>
>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
>>
>>
>><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
>>David Maib
>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
>><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>dmaib@me.com
>>
>>
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David J. Fritzsche" <dfritz(at)bpgsim.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today! |
Matt,
I was not upset by getting the extra messages. I just wanted to make
sure you received my contribution. Sorry about the mixup on the
addresses. I have several addresses for different purposes as I suspect
many of us do and sometimes forget to make sure the correct address is
being shown. As others have said, I really appreciate your efforts in
making this a wonderful, useful list.
Dave
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David J. Fritzsche
Professor, Retired
Penn State
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 11/18/2013 7:48 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Yes, that is correct. The subscribed email address and the contribution email
address must match exactly for the squelch to work.
>
> Also note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via
the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these
are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.
>
> Thank you to everyone that has made a contribution so far! It is very much appreciated!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Administrator
>
> At 07:20 PM 11/18/2013 Monday, you wrote:
>>
>> Matt responded earlier:
>> The reason the squelch isn't working is because the email address you are subscribed
with "XX(at)xx.x" doesn't match the email address with which you made your
Contribution. The two email addresses have to match exactly for the squelch
to function properly.
>>
>> I've updated your Contribution email to match your subscription email, so you
should be good for the future.
>> I have not seen anything either so it works for me
>>
>> Pascal
>> grateful to Matt for this forum.. (and his Dynon / VP200 support!)
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson
>> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 6:26 PM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fund Raiser Behind By 25% - Please Contribute Today!
>>
>>
>> I'd just shoot him a note to Matt Dralle and
>> let him know. I'm not sure how the names get removed from the list,
>> but it seems some people slip through. I donated a couple weeks ago
>> and didn't see anything after that. It could be that in the
>> area that you select which lists you're subscribed to, you missed
>> one....I'm not sure how that works, but I know I had to remember
>> to check 6 or 7 lists.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>
>> On 11/18/2013 8:07 PM, David Maib wrote:
>>> Same here. I donated several weeks ago, but still receive these messages.
>>>
>>> David Maib
>>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:45 AM, David J. Fritzsche wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> I donated several weeks ago but still receive appeal messages. Did you
>>> receive my donation?
>>>
>>> Dave Fritzsche
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> David J. Fritzsche
>>> Professor, Retired
>>> Penn State
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> On 11/18/2013 12:26 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Dear Listers,
>>>>
>>>> The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists
>>>> this year is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly
>>>> 25%. We got off to a slow start this year with the network DNS issues
>>>> on the kickoff weekend, so please take this opportunity to show your
>>>> support for the Matronics Lists and Forums!
>>>>
>>>> Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that
>>>> keep these Lists and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD
>>>> FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I
>>>> might have to add advertisements to offset the costs of running the
>>>> Lists. But I don't want to have to do that. I really like the
>>>> non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members
>>>> appreciate that too.
>>>>
>>>> Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the
>>>> continued ad-free operation of all these Lists:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>
>>>> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>>>>
>>>> Matt Dralle / Matronics
>>>> 581 Jeannie Way
>>>> Livermore CA 94550
>>>> USA
>>>>
>>>> I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that
>>>> have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists!
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Matt Dralle
>>>> Email List and Forums Administrator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/co -Matt
>>> Dralle, List - The RV10-List -->
>>> http://www.matronics=======================
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
>>> David Maib
>>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
>>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>dmaib@me.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
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Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
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Thank you for your support!
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| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
My airplane will be complete by end of year, just unassembled. I plan to take it
to the paint shop in pieces, then do final assembly of the painted parts.
The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I've had
the wings on for the fairing work, but they are off now. I know it is best
to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potential paint issues
of attaching the tips after paint? Any other considerations? I'm really hoping
to not have to assemble everything and tear it down again.
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413599#413599
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com> |
That is what I did. Only downside (if you call it that) is that the screws
holding it in aren't painted on the plane. Otherwise=2C no problem. I have
heard other opinions and I've come to the conclusion it's a personal choice
.
> Subject: RV10-List: Paint question
> From: woxof(at)aol.com
> Date: Wed=2C 20 Nov 2013 12:09:08 -0800
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> My airplane will be complete by end of year=2C just unassembled. I plan t
o take it to the paint shop in pieces=2C then do final assembly of the pain
ted parts.
>
> The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I
've had the wings on for the fairing work=2C but they are off now. I know
it is best to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potenti
al paint issues of attaching the tips after paint? Any other consideration
s? I'm really hoping to not have to assemble everything and tear it down a
gain.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa=2C AZ
> Emp completed=2C QB wings completed=2C legacy build fuse on gear. FWF co
mplete.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413599#413599
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Paint question |
Only if you got one of the wing tips whose shape is distorted. Then you have to
cut and re-align the tip, which would screw up your paint job.
I did the same as you are planning, but I rigged the ailerons before taking to
paint, then again during final assembly. Even doing this, I've got one tip that
ended up being off slightly.
Not a big deal if your wings are still on in your shop. As you mentioned, a real
PITA if you have to reassemble everything.
The other option is to delay painting the tips until you get the wings back on
after paint.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 20, 2013, at 3:09 PM, "woxofswa" wrote:
My airplane will be complete by end of year, just unassembled. I plan to take it
to the paint shop in pieces, then do final assembly of the painted parts.
The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I've had
the wings on for the fairing work, but they are off now. I know it is best
to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potential paint issues
of attaching the tips after paint? Any other considerations? I'm really hoping
to not have to assemble everything and tear it down again.
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413599#413599
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Paint question |
| From: | Tcwtech <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
I painted everything separately. I chose to use stainless steel screws ever
ywhere for fairings and the fuel tanks. I've never been satisfied with the
look of painted screws after a few years in service. So I'm real pleased w
ith the result of painting the airplane in pieces and doing final assembly a
fterwards. Of course I did have all the parts together for rigging of wi
ngs/flaps and ailerons unpainted- one time.
Bob Newman
N541RV.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 20, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> That is what I did. Only downside (if you call it that) is that the screws
holding it in aren't painted on the plane. Otherwise, no problem. I have he
ard other opinions and I've come to the conclusion it's a personal choice.
>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Paint question
> > From: woxof(at)aol.com
> > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:09:08 -0800
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
> > My airplane will be complete by end of year, just unassembled. I plan to
take it to the paint shop in pieces, then do final assembly of the painted p
arts.
> >
> > The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I
've had the wings on for the fairing work, but they are off now. I know it i
s best to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potential pa
int issues of attaching the tips after paint? Any other considerations? I'm r
eally hoping to not have to assemble everything and tear it down again.
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > --------
> > Myron Nelson
> > Mesa, AZ
> > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF comple
te.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413599#413599
> >
> >=====
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Don't do it. You risk messing up an expensive paint job.
Fit up the wings, flaps, ailerons and wing tips before paint. A 1/4"
wingtip trailing edge offset will totally screw up your trim. It is
impossible to get the wing tips on correctly unless you work from the
fuselage out - flaps, then ailerons, then wingtips. Before you start
drilling and clekoing the tips, the trailing edge of the wing tips can be
moved up or down over an inch. There is no way to get this right unless you
have the aileron in exactly the right rig to align the trailing edges.
After you are really sure you don't have any twist in your flaps, spend a
lot of time measuring aileron rigging every which way from Tuesday. This
includes careful measurement of aileron height both at the inboard and
outboard mounts. Most RVs have a slight height difference between ailerons.
Fix this first, then work the linkage lengths on rigging. After all that
you are ready to rig the wingtips.
Ask any RV builder that chased a heavy wing - aileron height tends to be the
last thing they look at but the most common cause (assuming no gross linkage
issues).
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Paint question
My airplane will be complete by end of year, just unassembled. I plan to
take it to the paint shop in pieces, then do final assembly of the painted
parts.
The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I've
had the wings on for the fairing work, but they are off now. I know it is
best to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potential
paint issues of attaching the tips after paint? Any other considerations?
I'm really hoping to not have to assemble everything and tear it down again.
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413599#413599
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Paint question |
| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
Thanks for the input. I should have mentioned that the plan is to paint just the
base coat before assembly and the accents afterwards.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413609#413609
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
| From: | "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net> |
How did you mount the two 680s...just looking at dimentions, I don't thinbk they
will sit side by side in the stock battery tray.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413612#413612
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Bob,
I am not sure if you are addressing me, but I do not have two PC680's. I have
a PC925L in the main tray, which will fit in the standard mount without modification,
and a PC680 in a battery box supplied by Odyssey. The PC680 second battery
is mounted on a shelf next to the existing tray.
Bill
--------
Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413614#413614
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
Really easy to modify the tray.... I originally had 2 ea 680's, but just modified
it a second time to host a 925 and a 680.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Paint question |
| From: | "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> |
I agree with Carl re rigging the flaps, ailerons and wing tips, but there is no
reason that the wings need to be mounted to the fuselage; in fact I think it
is easier to do all of that with the wings in a rack, leading edge down. No crawling
around under the wings, fighting gravity to keep the flaps against the
stops, etc.
Jim Berry
RV-10
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413617#413617
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
Here is how I did mine:
http://s403.photobucket.com/user/dclifford01/media/RV10/IMG_0006.jpg.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:18:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey
How did you mount the two 680s...just looking at dimentions, I don't thinbk they
will sit side by side in the stock battery tray.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413612#413612
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
I used two PC-625s and modified the mount. The hold down bolts remain in
the same place. I find the 625s (17ah, 200CCA and 15 lb) a better form
factor to work with than the PC-680s (16ah, 170CCA and 16lbs).
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey
How did you mount the two 680s...just looking at dimentions, I don't thinbk
they will sit side by side in the stock battery tray.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413612#413612
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Don, why the change back to the 925 and 680 combo?
Thx, Rick
#40956
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> Really easy to modify the tray.... I originally had 2 ea 680's, but just
> modified it a second time to host a 925 and a 680.
>
> ------------------------------
> * From: * bill.peyton <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>;
> * To: * ;
> * Subject: * RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey
> * Sent: * Wed, Nov 20, 2013 11:03:56 PM
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)cox.net> |
I had two 680s in parallel in the aft battery compartment; They had been in
there since first flight in April 2008. The cranking was starting to slow so
I changed them September 2013 after 750TT. One had a manufacture date of
2005 and the other 2007. The batteries were still starting the aircraft but
I felt that I wanted the reliability of two new batteries. Just for
reference , I have a third insulated 680 on the firewall, installed in about
2010 for weight and balance purposes. It is trickle charged from the primary
bus and powers the essential bus if the charging system or the field breaker
fails. I have a picture somewhere but basically I placed both 680s in a
modified tray and used two master contactors 002 wire to send power to the
starter relay.
David McNeill
N46007
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Karol Hansen <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com> |
Hi Myron,
An exciting time coming for you with paint right around the corner! One consideration
that I didn't see anyone else speak of is skin dimpling. I sort of cringe
thinking of dimpling a nicely painted surface! As you know, the procedure
would be fit the tip, drill it, deburr it, then finally dimple the skin and
c/s the wing tip. Somewhere in there riveting on some platenuts ( nutplates
too) to those tips. Also if you are talking about doing a base coat/clear coat
there is usually a max. 24 hour window between base and clear to consider
- so my thinking is way too much work on those tips for that window? Having
to scuff the base coat and add more is the only option and that doesn't sound
like much fun! Just some thoughts..
Regards,
Rich Hansen
> My airplane will be complete by end of year, just unassembled. I plan to take
it
> to the paint shop in pieces, then do final assembly of the painted parts.
>
> The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I've
had
> the wings on for the fairing work, but they are off now. I know it is best
> to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potential paint issues
> of attaching the tips after paint? Any other considerations? I'm really hoping
> to not have to assemble everything and tear it down again.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
Here's how I mounted my (2) 680s for a Z-14
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=2155&log=43554&row=26
It's been working great thru 350hours.
Bill Watson
On 11/20/2013 5:18 PM, bob88 wrote:
>
> How did you mount the two 680s...just looking at dimentions, I don't thinbk they
will sit side by side in the stock battery tray.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413612#413612
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Paint question |
| From: | "Jackm" <jackm(at)vinetechequipment.com> |
Myron,
We just received ours back from paint. As far as wing tips, we had to cut them
to length and slit the rear edge apart in order to match to align. Both tips had
a tip up and it was impossible on ours to align with out cutting them apart.
One thing I will mention is our painter had experience with finishing and painting
Lancair, I think he did a excellent job around the windows and I hope no
cracking the way they did this. I can send you some pictures if you are interested.
--------
Jackm
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413655#413655
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| Subject: | Rv10 #40458 for sale |
| From: | John <johnag5b(at)cableone.net> |
Hey folks - one of the nicest and best equipped 10s is for sale. I won't be flying
any more for health reasons. Drop me a line for an extensive description and
pics.
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| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
I just got my interior kit from Abby at Flightline and I am quite pleased.
In attaching the seat bottom cushion it dawned on me that it will be a PITA to
attach the seat retainer plunger. Unless I'm missing something, you have undo
everything to put the nuts on the inside of the frame. The only solution I've
come up with is to put nut plates on the inside of the frame right below the
"do not alter or modify" sticker. Any ideas?
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413796#413796
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
I put nut plates on the outside of the black bracket. I then can in install the
bolts from the inside of the seat frame.
No more attempting to get a wrench in that small space.
It looks ugly, but since it's next to impossible see, nobody will notice but you.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 22, 2013, at 1:05 PM, "woxofswa" wrote:
I just got my interior kit from Abby at Flightline and I am quite pleased.
In attaching the seat bottom cushion it dawned on me that it will be a PITA to
attach the seat retainer plunger. Unless I'm missing something, you have undo
everything to put the nuts on the inside of the frame. The only solution I've
come up with is to put nut plates on the inside of the frame right below the
"do not alter or modify" sticker. Any ideas?
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413796#413796
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
I "altered or modified" for the same reasons you mentioned. :)
See here - http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephensville/9684701079/
On 11/22/13, 12:05 PM, woxofswa wrote:
>
> I just got my interior kit from Abby at Flightline and I am quite pleased.
>
> In attaching the seat bottom cushion it dawned on me that it will be a PITA to
attach the seat retainer plunger. Unless I'm missing something, you have undo
everything to put the nuts on the inside of the frame. The only solution I've
come up with is to put nut plates on the inside of the frame right below the
"do not alter or modify" sticker. Any ideas?
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413796#413796
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
| From: | "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> |
Myron,
Mount the seat plunger before installing the bottom cushion. I did install nutplates
and they work great. Some have also threaded the side rail, doing away with
the need for any type of nuts. Probably not as strong that way.
Jim Berry
RV-10
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413802#413802
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
I have a removable seat cushion and nut plates on the plunger. Works great.
I also have the IFLYRV10 seat slide lever. Works great. www.iflyrv10.com
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 11:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
Myron,
Mount the seat plunger before installing the bottom cushion. I did install
nutplates and they work great. Some have also threaded the side rail, doing
away with the need for any type of nuts. Probably not as strong that way.
Jim Berry
RV-10
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413802#413802
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
Yep, Flightline does a nice job and it is a very nice seat.
Yes, the plunger is a bit of pain to remove/install. Yes, you have to
half lift out the bottom cushion to get at it (not everything) But
having done it about a half a dozen times over 2 years of flying, it's
really not that bad. In my opinion, not worth doing the whole nutplate
thing.
BTW, if you put the nutplates on the plunger, you still have to lift out
the cushion, so the inside rail is where you want the nutplates I would
suppose. However, with the Flight line side panels, getting a bolt
turned and out gets tough. Not sure there is enough clearance to get a
ratchet of any normal kind on it. Without the nutplates, I put an open
end wrench on the plunger side and a ratchet on the seat side and it all
works pretty easily.
Unlike during the build, when flying you will probably only remove the
seat for 1) Condition Inspections (to get under the seat) and 2) to get
in the center tunnel (for the Condition Inspection). So consider that
against the amount of work you may want to do.
However, what is a bigger PITA, especially in a carpeted interior, is
having to remove the flap actuator/horn covers in order to remove the seats.
Recently, just after my condition inspection, I had to get back in the
center tunnel and that required removing the seats again. Having to
remove the rear seats, lift the carpet, unscrew the two covers and
otherwise trash the interior just to remove the two seats IS a PITA.
And this time I didn't even mind the plunger removal/install.
The two different fixes for that has been posted and documented; 1)
grind away a fraction of the seat rail or 2) cut back the Delrin/Nylon
seat slides in the seat. Number 2 is what I did and it is definitely
the way to go. I removed exactly 3/8" and beveled the cut at 45deg in
the obvious direction. Works perfectly. Now I can remove the seat by
just removing the plungers and sliding the seat out.
Definitely do the seat slide/rail cutting, especially if you have a
carpeted floor. I wll continue on without nutplates.
Bill "done with the seats for awhile" Watson
On 11/22/2013 1:05 PM, woxofswa wrote:
>
> I just got my interior kit from Abby at Flightline and I am quite pleased.
>
> In attaching the seat bottom cushion it dawned on me that it will be a PITA to
attach the seat retainer plunger. Unless I'm missing something, you have undo
everything to put the nuts on the inside of the frame. The only solution I've
come up with is to put nut plates on the inside of the frame right below the
"do not alter or modify" sticker. Any ideas?
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413796#413796
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
I don't know if Geoff Combs has advertised it yet, but he has come up
with a very nice lever extension to the front of the seat that gives
easier access and more leverage.
On 11/22/2013 12:27 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>
> I have a removable seat cushion and nut plates on the plunger. Works great.
> I also have the IFLYRV10 seat slide lever. Works great. www.iflyrv10.com
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 11:47 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
>
>
> Myron,
>
> Mount the seat plunger before installing the bottom cushion. I did install
> nutplates and they work great. Some have also threaded the side rail, doing
> away with the need for any type of nuts. Probably not as strong that way.
>
> Jim Berry
> RV-10
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413802#413802
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
Yep.......
http://aerosportproducts.com/seat lever.htm
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 22, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
I don't know if Geoff Combs has advertised it yet, but he has come up with a very
nice lever extension to the front of the seat that gives easier access and
more leverage.
> On 11/22/2013 12:27 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>
> I have a removable seat cushion and nut plates on the plunger. Works great.
> I also have the IFLYRV10 seat slide lever. Works great. www.iflyrv10.com
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 11:47 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
>
>
> Myron,
>
> Mount the seat plunger before installing the bottom cushion. I did install
> nutplates and they work great. Some have also threaded the side rail, doing
> away with the need for any type of nuts. Probably not as strong that way.
>
> Jim Berry
> RV-10
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413802#413802
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Greenley" <wgreenley(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
Slight edit, it should be:
http://aerosportproducts.com/seatlever.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
Yep.......
http://aerosportproducts.com/seat lever.htm
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 22, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
I don't know if Geoff Combs has advertised it yet, but he has come up with a
very nice lever extension to the front of the seat that gives easier access
and more leverage.
> On 11/22/2013 12:27 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>
> I have a removable seat cushion and nut plates on the plunger. Works
great.
> I also have the IFLYRV10 seat slide lever. Works great.
> www.iflyrv10.com
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 11:47 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
>
>
> Myron,
>
> Mount the seat plunger before installing the bottom cushion. I did
> install nutplates and they work great. Some have also threaded the
> side rail, doing away with the need for any type of nuts. Probably not as
strong that way.
>
> Jim Berry
> RV-10
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413802#413802
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Wheel grease seal part number |
| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
When changing my main tires I ran into a problem with a part on the wheel. On page
46-3 of my plans ,and on the outboard side of the wheel I had an issue with
what the plans call "molded grease seal". The original is a narrow channel ring
of aluminum. When I ordered what appeared to be the new part from Cleveland
I received a rubberized part that has the same outer diameter, but the inner
diameter is different. My wheels were part of a kit shipped in '08 so perhaps
this has been a change since built, but it just doesn't seem right. Hopefully
I have been able to attach a picture with the original on the left (before I
dropped it and stepped on it, then tried to straighten it) and the new one on
the right. Can anyone either confirm that the new seal is now the correct part,
and if so any idea where to get the felt ring to go with it? Or, if it is not
the right part, has anyone found the correct part number for Cleveland or aircraft
spruce so I can order the correct part?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413834#413834
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/grease_ring_946.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
Thanks for the responses. I think I'm going to go with the nut plates on the inside.
I am intrigued by the rail guide trimming idea to clear the footwell cover.
Are you trimming the forward part to clear the rail or trimming the aft
to clear the cover?
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413859#413859
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
The seats can also be mounted from the front if you just unbolt the
stick and lay it out of the way.
On 11/23/2013 6:54 AM, woxofswa wrote:
>
> Thanks for the responses. I think I'm going to go with the nut plates on the
inside. I am intrigued by the rail guide trimming idea to clear the footwell
cover. Are you trimming the forward part to clear the rail or trimming the aft
to clear the cover?
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413859#413859
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
Great idea Kelly except I ran my wire harness through the stick to a connection
bus ... Under the seat pan.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413861#413861
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
Take a look at this VAF forum link - it explains the track mod:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=57756&highlight=seat+rail+mod
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413862#413862
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
You don't have to take stick off, just take bolt out and lay it on the
floor. Hopefully you left some slack in the wiring.
On 11/23/2013 7:20 AM, woxofswa wrote:
>
> Great idea Kelly except I ran my wire harness through the stick to a connection
bus ... Under the seat pan.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413861#413861
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
The forward part of the Delrin/Nylon guide to clear the rail. The metal
part of the guide that the Nylon mounts in is not touched so externally
there is no visible change. (You'll see when you take a close look at
the seat hardware while installing/removing a seat that trimming the
rear part of the Nylon guide would have no effect).
It requires removing several bolts so the Nylon guides can be slipped
out, shortened by 3/8" (I don't think any bevel is required though I did
bevel mine) and reinstalled. A painless and easy bit of work that can
be done now or later.
I think the first people that tried to address this situation trimmed
rear part of the rail itself. It's the most obvious approach. This
requires some metal grinding. Though the results are mostly hidden, it
looks a bit raw if not finished and requires more work. It's not
obvious that trimming the Nylon guide would work but it does.
Others have some pics posted elsewhere on both approaches but I can't
find them easily. I wish I had photographed my work.
Bill Watson
On 11/23/2013 8:54 AM, woxofswa wrote:
>
> Thanks for the responses. I think I'm going to go with the nut plates on the
inside. I am intrigued by the rail guide trimming idea to clear the footwell
cover. Are you trimming the forward part to clear the rail or trimming the aft
to clear the cover?
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413859#413859
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
Yes. There is absolutely no reason to trim the rear seat rail. As others have done,
I removed the insert guides and took 3/8" off the forward ends, beveled the
tips and re-installed. I also swapped my seat rails and seat's so that the
T handles are now next to the tunnel. Makes it a lot easier to adjust the seats
in this location. Finally, I removed the seat rail rear stops and drilled though
the seat pedestals and installed nut-plates and replaced the AN4 bolts with
longer ones. I can now remove my seats very easily by removing 2 easily accessible
bolts holding the stop and sliding the seats aft, and off the rails. No
fooling around and no need to unbolt the T handle to get the seats off any longer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:29:00 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
The forward part of the Delrin/Nylon guide to clear the rail. The metal
part of the guide that the Nylon mounts in is not touched so externally
there is no visible change. (You'll see when you take a close look at
the seat hardware while installing/removing a seat that trimming the
rear part of the Nylon guide would have no effect).
It requires removing several bolts so the Nylon guides can be slipped
out, shortened by 3/8" (I don't think any bevel is required though I did
bevel mine) and reinstalled. A painless and easy bit of work that can
be done now or later.
I think the first people that tried to address this situation trimmed
rear part of the rail itself. It's the most obvious approach. This
requires some metal grinding. Though the results are mostly hidden, it
looks a bit raw if not finished and requires more work. It's not
obvious that trimming the Nylon guide would work but it does.
Others have some pics posted elsewhere on both approaches but I can't
find them easily. I wish I had photographed my work.
Bill Watson
On 11/23/2013 8:54 AM, woxofswa wrote:
>
> Thanks for the responses. I think I'm going to go with the nut plates on the
inside. I am intrigued by the rail guide trimming idea to clear the footwell cover.
Are you trimming the forward part to clear the rail or trimming the aft
to clear the cover?
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413859#413859
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
If I understand correctly, that negates the need to anything with the
T-handles. (I have to keep them outboard due to an center console/O2 tank).
I took a half hearted look at how the rear seat stops worked but
couldn't figure it out. I'll have to take another look. Thanks!
Bill
On 11/23/2013 9:59 AM, davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Yes. There is absolutely no reason to trim the rear seat rail. As
> others have done, I removed the insert guides and took 3/8" off the
> forward ends, beveled the tips and re-installed. I also swapped my
> seat rails and seat's so that the T handles are now next to the
> tunnel. Makes it a lot easier to adjust the seats in this location.
> Finally, I removed the seat rail rear stops and drilled though the
> seat pedestals and installed nut-plates and replaced the AN4 bolts
> with longer ones. I can now remove my seats very easily by removing 2
> easily accessible bolts holding the stop and sliding the seats aft,
> and off the rails. No fooling around and no need to unbolt the T
> handle to get the seats off any longer.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
> *To: *rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:29:00 AM
> *Subject: *Re: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
>
>
> The forward part of the Delrin/Nylon guide to clear the rail. The metal
> part of the guide that the Nylon mounts in is not touched so externally
> there is no visible change. (You'll see when you take a close look at
> the seat hardware while installing/removing a seat that trimming the
> rear part of the Nylon guide would have no effect).
>
> It requires removing several bolts so the Nylon guides can be slipped
> out, shortened by 3/8" (I don't think any bevel is required though I did
> bevel mine) and reinstalled. A painless and easy bit of work that can
> be done now or later.
>
> I think the first people that tried to address this situation trimmed
> rear part of the rail itself. It's the most obvious approach. This
> requires some metal grinding. Though the results are mostly hidden, it
> looks a bit raw if not finished and requires more work. It's not
> obvious that trimming the Nylon guide would work but it does.
>
> Others have some pics posted elsewhere on both approaches but I can't
> find them easily. I wish I had photographed my work.
>
> Bill Watson
> On 11/23/2013 8:54 AM, woxofswa wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the responses. I think I'm going to go with the nut
> plates on the inside. I am intrigued by the rail guide trimming idea
> to clear the footwell cover. Are you trimming the forward part to
> clear the rail or trimming the aft to clear the cover?
> >
> > --------
> > Myron Nelson
> > Mesa, AZ
> > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF
> complete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413859#413859
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ><-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)<=============
>
>
> *
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
That's right Bill. No need to remove the T handles to remove the seat doing it
this way.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:54:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
If I understand correctly, that negates the need to anything with the T-handles.
(I have to keep them outboard due to an center console/O2 tank).
I took a half hearted look at how the rear seat stops worked but couldn't figure
it out. I'll have to take another look. Thanks!
Bill
On 11/23/2013 9:59 AM, davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net wrote:
Yes. There is absolutely no reason to trim the rear seat rail. As others have done,
I removed the insert guides and took 3/8" off the forward ends, beveled the
tips and re-installed. I also swapped my seat rails and seat's so that the
T handles are now next to the tunnel. Makes it a lot easier to adjust the seats
in this location. Finally, I removed the seat rail rear stops and drilled though
the seat pedestals and installed nut-plates and replaced the AN4 bolts with
longer ones. I can now remove my seats very easily by removing 2 easily accessible
bolts holding the stop and sliding the seats aft, and off the rails. No
fooling around and no need to unbolt the T handle to get the seats off any longer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:29:00 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
The forward part of the Delrin/Nylon guide to clear the rail. The metal
part of the guide that the Nylon mounts in is not touched so externally
there is no visible change. (You'll see when you take a close look at
the seat hardware while installing/removing a seat that trimming the
rear part of the Nylon guide would have no effect).
It requires removing several bolts so the Nylon guides can be slipped
out, shortened by 3/8" (I don't think any bevel is required though I did
bevel mine) and reinstalled. A painless and easy bit of work that can
be done now or later.
I think the first people that tried to address this situation trimmed
rear part of the rail itself. It's the most obvious approach. This
requires some metal grinding. Though the results are mostly hidden, it
looks a bit raw if not finished and requires more work. It's not
obvious that trimming the Nylon guide would work but it does.
Others have some pics posted elsewhere on both approaches but I can't
find them easily. I wish I had photographed my work.
Bill Watson
On 11/23/2013 8:54 AM, woxofswa wrote:
>
> Thanks for the responses. I think I'm going to go with the nut plates on the
inside. I am intrigued by the rail guide trimming idea to clear the footwell cover.
Are you trimming the forward part to clear the rail or trimming the aft
to clear the cover?
>
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> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
>
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| From: | David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
I believe I beveled the delrin without even removing it from the seat
structure. Took all of five minutes.
David Maib
40559
700 hours
On Nov 23, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
The forward part of the Delrin/Nylon guide to clear the rail. The metal
part of the guide that the Nylon mounts in is not touched so externally
there is no visible change. (You'll see when you take a close look at
the seat hardware while installing/removing a seat that trimming the
rear part of the Nylon guide would have no effect).
It requires removing several bolts so the Nylon guides can be slipped
out, shortened by 3/8" (I don't think any bevel is required though I did
bevel mine) and reinstalled. A painless and easy bit of work that can
be done now or later.
I think the first people that tried to address this situation trimmed
rear part of the rail itself. It's the most obvious approach. This
requires some metal grinding. Though the results are mostly hidden, it
looks a bit raw if not finished and requires more work. It's not
obvious that trimming the Nylon guide would work but it does.
Others have some pics posted elsewhere on both approaches but I can't
find them easily. I wish I had photographed my work.
Bill Watson
On 11/23/2013 8:54 AM, woxofswa wrote:
>
> Thanks for the responses. I think I'm going to go with the nut plates
on the inside. I am intrigued by the rail guide trimming idea to clear
the footwell cover. Are you trimming the forward part to clear the rail
or trimming the aft to clear the cover?
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF
complete.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413859#413859
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
David Maib
dmaib(at)me.com
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| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
| From: | "dhmoose" <dhmoose(at)yahoo.com> |
schmoboy wrote:
> I "altered or modified" for the same reasons you mentioned. :)
>
> See here - http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephensville/9684701079/
>
>
Bingo! This is exactly what I had in mind to avoid removal of the seat cushion.
I was concerned about modifying the seat rail and also about access for the bolt.
Are you happy on both accounts?
--------
David Halmos
RV-10
Electrical/avionics
Portland, OR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413905#413905
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| From: | "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill(at)cox.net> |
I have not yet installed my seats, and am confused about the seat
plunger issue. Why is it necessary to remove the plunger from the seat
to remove the seat from the rails? If it=99s because you
can=99t get your hand down between the seat and side of the
fuselage while sliding the seat aft, will the extention handle mod allow
you to remove the seat without removing the plunger?
Chris Hukill
waiting for engine to arrive
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| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
There are two large nuts that the plunger will hit and prevent the seat from
sliding off the rails.
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:01 AM, "Chris Hukill" wrote:
>
> I have not yet installed my seats, and am confused about the seat plunger i
ssue. Why is it necessary to remove the plunger from the seat to remove the s
eat from the rails? If it=99s because you can=99t get your hand d
own between the seat and side of the fuselage while sliding the seat aft, wi
ll the extention handle mod allow you to remove the seat without removing th
e plunger?
> Chris Hukill
> waiting for engine to arrive
>
>
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| From: | "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> |
Nope, there is a stop on the rail that cannot be removed (without mod).
The plunger cannot get past the stop and thus needs to be removed for
the seat to slide off the back of the rails. I have looked at ways of
making the stop removable (like others have done), but looks like too
much work on completed airframe. You would not want to remove the stop
permanently for safety reasonsi.e. the Cessna seat
rail issue and mod. You would not want the pilot sliding into the back
seat on rotation..if the plunger go stuck in the up
position.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: seat
I have not yet installed my seats, and am confused about the seat
plunger issue. Why is it necessary to remove the plunger from the seat
to remove the seat from the rails? If it=99s because you
can=99t get your hand down between the seat and side of the
fuselage while sliding the seat aft, will the extention handle mod allow
you to remove the seat without removing the plunger?
Chris Hukill
waiting for engine to arrive
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| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
Happy so far with the 50 or so times I've had the seats on and off. :)
Oh, and I switched the two seats and rails so the t-handle is on the
inside next to the tunnel. As I have no center console there, it is
easier to get to the bolts. Even if you use bolts with nutplates, it is
still a tight fit between the seat and the fuse side.
On 11/23/13, 10:58 PM, dhmoose wrote:
>
>
> schmoboy wrote:
>> I "altered or modified" for the same reasons you mentioned. :)
>>
>> See here - http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephensville/9684701079/
>>
>>
>
> Bingo! This is exactly what I had in mind to avoid removal of the seat cushion.
I was concerned about modifying the seat rail and also about access for the
bolt. Are you happy on both accounts?
>
> --------
> David Halmos
> RV-10
> Electrical/avionics
> Portland, OR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413905#413905
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
The track mod was a great idea and worked slick. Somehow, I hadn't heard about
that one before.
The other mod for the AFT stop of the seat rail didn't make sense to me at first
reading, but now makes perfect sense and I will be doing that one as well.
If I may be so cheeky as to restate that one so a dummy like me can grasp it.
The rear stop on the notched seat rail is held in place by two bolts/nuts integral
to the rail piece itself. If you remove those bolts, drill down through
the underlying seat pedestal cover, and add nutplates to the bottom, by using
longer bolts that now reach down to the nutplate, you can remove the rear stop
by with a simple socket on an extension to the bolt heads that are now upright
and accessible. With the rear stop removed, you can slide the seat out without
removing the T-handle apparatus at all. Easy on/easy off.
This one thread has made the annual dues worthwhile for me. Thanks fellers.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413956#413956
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| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
I posted an explanation on the other thread before reading this thread.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413957#413957
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
That helps. Now I think I get it but it sounds like something much more
easily done during the build than post-build, correct? At least if
nutplates are involved. But tapping the new hole in seat pedestal could
work as well?
Bill "Dues? I thought it was a tribute" Watson
On 11/24/2013 10:00 PM, woxofswa wrote:
> If I may be so cheeky as to restate that one so a dummy like me can grasp it.
The rear stop on the notched seat rail is held in place by two bolts/nuts integral
to the rail piece itself. If you remove those bolts, drill down through
the underlying seat pedestal cover, and add nutplates to the bottom, by using
longer bolts that now reach down to the nutplate, you can remove the rear stop
by with a simple socket on an extension to the bolt heads that are now upright
and accessible. With the rear stop removed, you can slide the seat out without
removing the T-handle apparatus at all. Easy on/easy off.
>
> This one thread has made the annual dues worthwhile for me. Thanks fellers.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413956#413956
>
>
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| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
It's not a big job at all. It took me about 45 minutes to do both seats.
Remove your seat.
Now remove the pedestal cover
Unscrew the seat rail with the rear seat stop
Remove the stop
Use a few screws for location and screw the rail back on
Using the empty seat stop mounting holes as guides, drill 1/4" holes through the
pedestal
Remove rail again and install 1/4" nut plates with flush rivets
Modify delrin glide inserts and re-assemble
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 9:37:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
That helps. Now I think I get it but it sounds like something much more
easily done during the build than post-build, correct? At least if
nutplates are involved. But tapping the new hole in seat pedestal could
work as well?
Bill "Dues? I thought it was a tribute" Watson
On 11/24/2013 10:00 PM, woxofswa wrote:
> If I may be so cheeky as to restate that one so a dummy like me can grasp it.
The rear stop on the notched seat rail is held in place by two bolts/nuts integral
to the rail piece itself. If you remove those bolts, drill down through
the underlying seat pedestal cover, and add nutplates to the bottom, by using
longer bolts that now reach down to the nutplate, you can remove the rear stop
by with a simple socket on an extension to the bolt heads that are now upright
and accessible. With the rear stop removed, you can slide the seat out without
removing the T-handle apparatus at all. Easy on/easy off.
>
> This one thread has made the annual dues worthwhile for me. Thanks fellers.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413956#413956
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
Much appreciated! Will do at next seat removal... I just did the Delrin
mod but I'll have to wait for the next removal for the stop.
I like it, a lot.
Bill
On 11/25/2013 10:06 AM, davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net wrote:
> It's not a big job at all. It took me about 45 minutes to do both seats.
> Remove your seat.
> Now remove the pedestal cover
> Unscrew the seat rail with the rear seat stop
> Remove the stop
> Use a few screws for location and screw the rail back on
> Using the empty seat stop mounting holes as guides, drill 1/4" holes
> through the pedestal
> Remove rail again and install 1/4" nut plates with flush rivets
> Modify delrin glide inserts and re-assemble
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
> *To: *rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Monday, November 25, 2013 9:37:52 AM
> *Subject: *Re: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
>
>
> That helps. Now I think I get it but it sounds like something much more
> easily done during the build than post-build, correct? At least if
> nutplates are involved. But tapping the new hole in seat pedestal could
> work as well?
>
> Bill "Dues? I thought it was a tribute" Watson
>
> On 11/24/2013 10:00 PM, woxofswa wrote:
> > If I may be so cheeky as to restate that one so a dummy like me can
> grasp it. The rear stop on the notched seat rail is held in place by
> two bolts/nuts integral to the rail piece itself. If you remove those
> bolts, drill down through the underlying seat pedestal cover, and add
> nutplates to the bottom, by using longer bolts that now reach down to
> the nutplate, you can remove the rear stop by with a simple socket on
> an extension to the bolt heads that are now upright and accessible.
> With the rear stop removed, you can slide the seat out without
> removing the T-handle apparatus at all. Easy on/easy off.
> >
> > This one thread has made the annual dues worthwhile for me. Thanks
> fellers.
> >
> > --------
> > Myron Nelson
> > Mesa, AZ
> > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF
> complete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413956#413956
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> *
>
> *
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| From: | Gordon Anderson <mregoan(at)hispeed.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
Excellent tips, thanks to all.
I was just at this point in the build and have spent the evening fitting
up the seat rails and looking at whether to put the plunger inboard or
outboard. It struck me that there is very little clearance (max 40thou)
between the plunger and tunnel cover in the inboard position - not
enough for any carpet to fit in the gap. Has anyone else experienced
this?
Incidentally I had already fitted my T-handles with a cheap and cheerful
extension by using a loop of bowden cable inner (bicycle brake cable)
through the roll pin, fastened with some heat shrink. Cost about 1USD
and took 15 minutes for both sides.
Gordon Anderson
41015 Switzerland
On Nov 25, 2013, at 4:06 PM, davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net wrote:
> It's not a big job at all. It took me about 45 minutes to do both
seats.
> Remove your seat.
> Now remove the pedestal cover
> Unscrew the seat rail with the rear seat stop
> Remove the stop
> Use a few screws for location and screw the rail back on
> Using the empty seat stop mounting holes as guides, drill 1/4" holes
through the pedestal
> Remove rail again and install 1/4" nut plates with flush rivets
> Modify delrin glide inserts and re-assemble
>
>
> From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 9:37:52 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Seat question
>
>
> That helps. Now I think I get it but it sounds like something much
more
> easily done during the build than post-build, correct? At least if
> nutplates are involved. But tapping the new hole in seat pedestal
could
> work as well?
>
> Bill "Dues? I thought it was a tribute" Watson
>
> On 11/24/2013 10:00 PM, woxofswa wrote:
> > If I may be so cheeky as to restate that one so a dummy like me can
grasp it. The rear stop on the notched seat rail is held in place by
two bolts/nuts integral to the rail piece itself. If you remove those
bolts, drill down through the underlying seat pedestal cover, and add
nutplates to the bottom, by using longer bolts that now reach down to
the nutplate, you can remove the rear stop by with a simple socket on an
extension to the bolt heads that are now upright and accessible. With
the rear stop removed, you can slide the seat out without removing the
T-handle apparatus at all. Easy on/easy off.
> >
> > This one thread has made the annual dues worthwhile for me. Thanks
fellers.
> >
> > --------
> > Myron Nelson
> > Mesa, AZ
> > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF
complete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413956#413956
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Of Pencils & Airplanes [Repost From AeroElectric-List]... |
[Dear Listers, last week, Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame, posted a very
nice message discussing the Lists and Forums at Matronics. It is a very insightful
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the other members to enjoy and contemplate as well. He gladly agreed, and so
below I have included the text from that message. Enjoy. -Matt Dralle, Matronics
Email List and Forum Administrator]
"As most of you know, Matt's ISP was fiddling with some crucial
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The Lists, Matt's business site, and AeroElectric.com got really
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because we're unaware of their significance.
I will invite you all to read an essay by one Leonard Read written
in 1958 titled "I pencil". See:
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It's a fascinating and well crafted peek into a society of
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| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
> It struck me that there is very little clearance (max 40thou) between the plunger
and tunnel cover in the inboard position - not enough for any carpet to fit
in the gap. Has anyone else experienced this?
It works fine with carpeting on the tunnel. It's snug but I like it better than
outboard. I switched from outside to tunnel side and have not regretted it.
John[/quote]
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#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414181#414181
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat question |
Though I didn't set the T-handle up on the tunnel side, it's pretty
clear that it will work with carpet (I have a Flightline interior). It
also works on the outboard side even with Flightline's sidepanels in
place. I'm thinking that if many of my flights were with 'strangers' I
would prefer the tunnel. For a plane flown 100% by the pilot/builder
and his wife 99% of the time, the outboard side works fine because one
quickly gets the feel for operating it easily. You can clearly take
your choice. And you can change your choice later by swapping seat rails.
One other consideration is if one plans to put in a center console. I
put one in after my plane was flying that holds an O2 tank and iPad mount:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=8533
It was designed to have a minimal cross section and I think you can see
that even with a thin console, you still have the choice of having the
T-handle on either side (I still have it outboard).
This is a great thread on a topic that doesn't impact the planes
performance, has a little impact on seat operation, and has a not
insignificant impact on maintenance. FWIW, I've concluded that:
* Assembling the seats per Van's direction works just fine, as one
would expect. However improvements can be made.
* The T-handle can be installed on the tunnel side or outboard side
without a problem.
* The seat rail should be modified by trimming back the Nylon/Delrin
seat slides 3/8" on the forward ends of the slides to enable seat
removal without removal of the flap actuator covers.
* The seat stops bolts should be made removable to enable seat removal
without removal of the T-handles (I haven't done this yet but will be)
I love this list. Thanks!
Bill
On 11/26/2013 8:43 AM, johngoodman wrote:
>
>
>> It struck me that there is very little clearance (max 40thou) between the plunger
and tunnel cover in the inboard position - not enough for any carpet to
fit in the gap. Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> It works fine with carpeting on the tunnel. It's snug but I like it better than
outboard. I switched from outside to tunnel side and have not regretted it.
> John[/quote]
>
> --------
> #40572 Phase One complete and flying.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414181#414181
>
>
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| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
Gents
I am using toggle switches for non-lights (e.g. Fuel pump, Pitot heat, Aux
Battery, etc.) and both for aesthetical reasons and non-confusing reasons, I
am planning to use rocker illuminated switches for the Lights (Landing
Light, Taxi Light, Strobes, Beacon, NAV Lights, Cabin Light).
I am not finding a source for good rocker switches, like for example the
ones from Klixon or other good brand. Neither ACS or Stein Air seems to
carry those.
Can someone please point me to a source for good rocker illuminated
switches?
Regards
Carlos
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| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
I have the rocker switches from Aerosport Products.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 29, 2013, at 12:19 PM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote:
Gents
I am using toggle switches for non-lights (e.g. Fuel pump, Pitot heat, Aux B
attery, etc.) and both for aesthetical reasons and non-confusing reasons, I a
m planning to use rocker illuminated switches for the Lights (Landing Light,
Taxi Light, Strobes, Beacon, NAV Lights, Cabin Light).
I am not finding a source for good rocker switches, like for example the one
s from Klixon or other good brand. Neither ACS or Stein Air seems to carry t
hose.
Can someone please point me to a source for good rocker illuminated switches
?
Regards
Carlos
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| From: | Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com> |
Me too (also??)
They are good switches
From: rv(at)thelefflers.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Switches
Date: Fri=2C 29 Nov 2013 12:45:21 -0500
I have the rocker switches from Aerosport Products.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 29=2C 2013=2C at 12:19 PM=2C "Carlos Trigo"
wrote:
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at=2C Aux Battery=2C etc.) and both for aesthetical reasons and non-confusi
ng reasons=2C I am planning to use rocker illuminated switches for the Ligh
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Light). I am not finding a source for good rocker switches=2C like for exa
mple the ones from Klixon or other good brand. Neither ACS or Stein Air see
ms to carry those. Can someone please point me to a source for good rocker
illuminated switches? RegardsCarlos
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| From: | Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
Try Digikey.com
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
>
> Me too (also??)
> They are good switches
>
> From: rv(at)thelefflers.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Switches
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 12:45:21 -0500
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
> I have the rocker switches from Aerosport Products.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 12:19 PM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote
:
>
> Gents
>
>
>
> I am using toggle switches for non-lights (e.g. Fuel pump, Pitot heat, Aux
Battery, etc.) and both for aesthetical reasons and non-confusing reasons, I
am planning to use rocker illuminated switches for the Lights (Landing Ligh
t, Taxi Light, Strobes, Beacon, NAV Lights, Cabin Light).
>
>
>
> I am not finding a source for good rocker switches, like for example the o
nes from Klixon or other good brand. Neither ACS or Stein Air seems to carry
those.
>
>
>
> Can someone please point me to a source for good rocker illuminated switch
es?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
>
>
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| From: | John Zazulka <jpiper623(at)gmail.com> |
Try spruce aircraft look under aevoengineering or go to aevoengineering web
site also look at the wing tip lighting
On Friday, November 29, 2013, Les Kearney wrote:
> Try Digikey.com
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Danny Riggs >
> wrote:
>
> Me too (also??)
> They are good switches
>
> ------------------------------
> From: rv(at)thelefflers.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'rv(at)thelefflers.com');>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Switches
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 12:45:21 -0500
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com 'rv10-list(at)matronics.com');>
>
> I have the rocker switches from Aerosport Products.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 12:19 PM, "Carlos Trigo" >
> wrote:
>
> Gents
>
>
> I am using toggle switches for non-lights (e.g. Fuel pump, Pitot heat, Aux
> Battery, etc.) and both for aesthetical reasons and non-confusing reasons,
> I am planning to use rocker illuminated switches for the Lights (Landing
> Light, Taxi Light, Strobes, Beacon, NAV Lights, Cabin Light).
>
>
> I am not finding a source for good rocker switches, like for example the
> ones from Klixon or other good brand. Neither ACS or Stein Air seems to
> carry those.
>
>
> Can someone please point me to a source for good rocker illuminated
> switches?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim |
| From: | "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net> |
Does the Garmin GSA 28 servo replace the Ray Allen trim system that Vans sells?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414867#414867
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Not a strong opinion, but I don't have roll trim, and it's not high on my upgrade
list. Maybe that's because I flew for 20 years behind a 182 that we just couldn't
seem to get trimmed in roll, so I don't know any better! I do change tanks
every 30 minutes to keep the imbalance to a minimum.
I do not have a speed control on my "top hat" switch, it runs full speed. I do
not use it at cruise; instead, I use the trim function on the Trio autopilot (this
works even when the servos are disengaged) which is programable to your taste
and is speed sensitive. I have it set up to make very fine adjustments at
cruise speeds.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414871#414871
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim |
| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Bob, no. You still need a trim servo of some sort. I'm just about to wire
up my GSA 28 roll servo with the Ray Allen trim servo. It's all laid out
in the G3X install manual if you want some light reading ;-)
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, bob88 wrote:
>
> Does the Garmin GSA 28 servo replace the Ray Allen trim system that Vans
> sells?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414867#414867
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim |
| From: | John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com> |
No, the garmin servo is for the autopilot, it can however control the trim
servo for you to autotrim. It also controls the trim speed I believe.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, bob88 wrote:
>
> Does the Garmin GSA 28 servo replace the Ray Allen trim system that Vans
> sells?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414867#414867
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
> I do not have a speed control on my "top hat" switch, it runs full speed. I do
not use it at cruise; instead, I use the trim function on the Trio autopilot
(this works even when the servos are disengaged) which is programable to your
taste and is speed sensitive. I have it set up to make very fine adjustments
at cruise speeds.
Bob,
Tell me more about this feature in the Trio - I happen to have a Trio Pro w/autotrim
and am not aware of this.
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414905#414905
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| From: | Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim |
I would like to know also as I have the identical setup as John. Thanks!
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim
> From: johngoodman(at)earthlink.net
> Date: Thu=2C 5 Dec 2013 06:54:33 -0800
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> > I do not have a speed control on my "top hat" switch=2C it runs full sp
eed. I do not use it at cruise=3B instead=2C I use the trim function on the
Trio autopilot (this works even when the servos are disengaged) which is p
rogramable to your taste and is speed sensitive. I have it set up to make v
ery fine adjustments at cruise speeds.
>
>
> Bob=2C
> Tell me more about this feature in the Trio - I happen to have a Trio Pro
w/autotrim and am not aware of this.
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 Phase One complete and flying.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414905#414905
>
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| From: | "JimVillani" <Jim(at)JimVillani.com> |
| Subject: | RV 10 Aileron Trim easy fix... |
Easy Cheap Dependable fix.
1) Replace your "Flap Toggle Switch" with a Double Pole (on) off on
switch. (Same as original but Double Pole)
2) On the 2nd pole (not controlling your flaps) install a single pole
double throw "Relay".
Install the relay so when your flaps are in the -3degree
position (Cruse position) the relay is activated.
Any other position "Off" (On) climb out or landing configuration the relay
will not be energized or normally closed.
3) Split the 14v power to both legs of the relay (Line side of the
relay) "Normally open and normally closed legs of the relay".
4) On the "Normally Closed" (1st leg) pin on the relay (Load side of
the relay) run your 14 volt power through the closed contacts,
You now have full power to your trim motor.
You will need full speed trim for takeoff and landing configurations.
5) On the 2nd leg of the relay (load side) the relay hook up a 9 volt
7809t voltage regulator with a capacitor.
Connect the 9 volt wire to the 14v wire on the (LOAD SIDE OF THE RELAY) that
connects back to your trim motor power.
Now when you are in the -3 Degree cruse position the relay is activated.
You are now feeding your trim motor with 9 volts and this will slow your
trim motor down enough for "Fine Feathering".
6) So when your flap switch is in the Off or (ON) position your relay
will be closed and feeding 14volts to the trim motor.
When your flaps are in the ON position (Normal Cruse -3 degrees) your relay
is active and switches the power to 9volts for your trim motor speed
reduction.
Works like a dream.
Costs about $20.
$10 for the Double Pole On Off (ON) toggle switch
$5 for the 12v/14v relay (Fog light, horn, etc relay) Checker auto
$3 for the voltage regulator Radio Shack or Fry's
$2 for the capacitor Radio Shack or Fry's
Optional computer fan 3 wire plug to plug the voltage regulator into for
easy termination $.99. Radio Shack or Fry's
Jim Villani
Kit# 41084
164.3 hours
Flying 11 months
Jim(at)JimVillani.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim
I would like to know also as I have the identical setup as John. Thanks!
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim
> From: johngoodman(at)earthlink.net <mailto:johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 06:54:33 -0800
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> > I do not have a speed control on my "top hat" switch, it runs full
speed. I do not use it at cruise; instead, I use the trim function on the
Trio autopilot (this works even when the servos are disengaged) which is
programable to your taste and is speed sensitive. I have it set up to make
very fine adjustments at cruise speeds.
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> Bob,
> Tell me more about this feature in the Trio - I happen to have a Trio Pro
w/autotrim and am not aware of this.
> John
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| From: | "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> |
Speed calibration runs over Switzerland
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
The set up for the Trio pitch trim is described on page 60 of the Trio manual (you
can download it from their web site). In the set up, for example if you put
TL=18, TH=06, LAS = 60, HAS = 170; Then the trim will run at speed 18 (almost
max speed) when the airspeed is 60 or less; it will run at speed 6 (slow) at
speeds of 170 knots or more; and in between it is linearly extrapolated (e.g.,
at 115 knots it runs at speed 12).
IF YOU SET the speed to less than 4 the trim function is turned off.
To access the manual function, just boot up the autopilot, set the altitude as
normal, then push the right hand (vertical) function button. The display should
say "manual trim". (If it doesn't, cycle thru the vertical functions by pushing
the V button). Turn the rotary knob clockwise to trim up, counterclockwise
to go down.
Note: if you have multiple trim control switches (like the top hat plus the autopilot)
then you need an isolation system (either a hard switch or relays) which
allows the autopilot trim signal to go "straight thru". It uses pulse width
modulation which is too high a frequency for a relay to follow. I built my own
relay board using Digikey parts.
Personally I love this system, I don't know why Trio doesn't advertise it more.
I have never been able to smoothly trim in cruise with the top hat, just because
of the force I put on the stick when trying to use the top hat. I have my
autopilot near the top of the stack, but easily reached with my right hand.
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RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim easy fix... |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
A few thoughts.
I like to cruise with the flap switch in the off position, but your set up requires
one to leave it in the up position. If the flap limit switch fails the flap
motor will run continuously.
If one desires to take off with no flaps (-3 reflex) he has to put the switch in
the off position - opposite of cruise. My point is, there are operational choices
to be made, so this is not too different from just putting in a dedicated
trim speed switch.
I found it difficult to slow the trim as much as I would like, using just lower
voltages, without using voltages so low that the trim motor would stall. Since
you've already got some electronics there, for just a few bucks more you could
put in a pulse width modulation system and adjust it to go as slow as you like.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | "JimVillani" <Jim(at)JimVillani.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim easy fix... |
You dont have a separate "Cut off switch" for flap motor?
Put it in the Minus 3 position then turn it to off (center position) still
works at full speed...
It is On "top position" Off "Middle position" (On) "bottom position."
It stalled because you didnt use a capacitor...
And if the Pulse Modulator fails?..
I like the KISS plan...
Keep it simple...
Jim Villani
Cell: (702) 379 5524
Fax: (702) 946-1185
Email: Jim(at)Sold702.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim easy fix...
A few thoughts.
I like to cruise with the flap switch in the off position, but your set up
requires one to leave it in the up position. If the flap limit switch fails
the flap motor will run continuously.
If one desires to take off with no flaps (-3 reflex) he has to put the
switch in the off position - opposite of cruise. My point is, there are
operational choices to be made, so this is not too different from just
putting in a dedicated trim speed switch.
I found it difficult to slow the trim as much as I would like, using just
lower voltages, without using voltages so low that the trim motor would
stall. Since you've already got some electronics there, for just a few bucks
more you could put in a pulse width modulation system and adjust it to go as
slow as you like.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Aileron Trim easy fix... |
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