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      that day!  Normally with the systems that have voice warnings, they don't
      all start yelling at you when you first boot up the system though...
      
      Cheers,
      
      Stein 
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Which EFIS (was Garmin Touch screen)
Stein, Although I usually agree with you, not this time. Between the flashing master caution light (which is really bright) and the the flashing red on the screen(s) (whether it's oil pressure, CHT, etc.) I don't see how anyone could ignore the engine warnings, and I do not want a voice yelling at me "oil pressure, oil pressure" if I boot up the EIS (which I do) prior to engine start. OTOH, the one audio warning they do need is for angle of attack, since the most critical time (landing approach) is also when you are concentrating the most out the windscreen. The D-6 variable warning tone is perfect in this regard. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421735#421735 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Planning to order the QB fuselage and wings at AirVenture
Date: Apr 07, 2014
Tal, I would suggest you keep an eye out for a good deal on an engine (unless you are planning on buying a new engine). I was able to find a very good deal on an O-540-A1D5 from a Piper Aztec on eBay a couple of years ago. The engine has 60 hours SMOH and I got it, the logs, and the entire firewall forward assembly from the Aztec (including alterhator, starter and vacuum pump) for $13,000. I had planned to buy a core of an IO-540 for about $12K and then put $15K in new parts in it, overhauling it myself. Even though I wasn't sure what I was getting with this eBay purchase, I felt it was worth it for the money just to have as a core. I was surprised and pleased to see that it was better than advertized, with new Millenium Cylinders, new Slick mags and good shops used for the overhaul. So good deals are out there - you just need to look for them Now I just need to get back to work on the project. Jack Phillips #40610 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Wings and Tail done. Need to buy the Fuselage Kit. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning to order the QB fuselage and wings at AirVenture Hi Tal, As Carl said, order avionics last. They change so fast that anything you buy today will be obsolete before you fly. Also - contrary to everything else - they are becoming less expensive or more capable (your choice). As he noted, you may save a few dollars shipping if you order the finish kit (same kit, slow or quick build) with the QB wings and fuselage. But you will need storage space for it. In the past (2008) the QB fuselage and wings could have backlogs as long as 4 months. Call Vans and ask for the current status (I think it's on their web site but may not be the latest info). Finally, the engine. What is your plan? If you were hoping to find a good used one they are rare, you just have to watch constantly. If an overhaul, ask your overhauler about lead times and time to find a useable core. If factory new, you have a choice. These things have been inflating faster than the stock market, so you may consider buying it and the prop (Vans offers a $1K discount if you buy both at the same time) during this year's OSH/AirVenture. They usually have a special, like free shipping and free long term preservation oil. Otherwise, engine lead times are a few months. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421714#421714 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Orth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com>
Subject: Re: Planning to order the QB fuselage and wings at AirVenture
Date: Apr 07, 2014
FOR SALE 3 ENGINES & 1 PROP ENGINE #1-RIGHT CONTINENTAL 10-470L S/N 91968-5-L TTSO 1489.8 COMPLETE ENGINE & PROPELLER PITCH CONTROL. COMPLETE LOGS. REMOVED FROM BEECHCRAFT BARON THAT LANDED GEAR-UP. INCIDENT HAS NOT BEEN ENTERED INTO ENGINE LOG. OIL DRAINED AND SHOWED NO SIGN OF CONTAMINATION. OIL-PAN DROPPED AND VISUAL INSPECTION SHOWED NO SIGN OF DAMAGE. MY FEELING IS THAT THIS ENGINE DID NOT SUFFER ANY DAMAGE AS THE RESULT OF THE ACCIDENT. COULD BE USED IN A/C, AIRBOAT, OR HOVERCRAFT. PRICE $5,000 USD; YOU PAY SHIPPING. ENGINE #2-LEFT CONTINENTAL 10-470L S/N 91945-5-L TTSO 1457.8 COMPLETE ENGINE & PROPELLER PITCH CONTROL. COMPLETE LOGS REMOVED FROM BEECHCRAFT BARON THAT LANDED GEAR-UP. INCIDENT HAS NOT BEEN ENTERED INTO ENGINE LOG. OIL DRAINED AND SHOWED NO SIGN OF CONTAMINATION. OIL-PAN DROPPED AND VISUAL INSPECTION SHOWED NO SIGN OF DAMAGE. MY FEELING IS THAT THIS ENGINE DID NOT SUFFER ANY DAMAGE AS THE RESULT OF THE ACCIDENT. COULD BE USED IN A/C, AIRBOAT, OR HOVERCRAFT. PRICE $5,000 USD; YOU PAY SHIPPING. ENGINE #3 LYCOMING IO-540 G1D5 S/N L-9927-48 TTSO 5.43 COMPLETE LOGS PROP #1 HARTZELL HC-92WK-1DW TTSO 2.12 S/N S/N AC-206 PRICE-ENGINE & PROP $18,000 USD. YOU PAY SHIPPING. THIS IS HOW THE ENGINE WAS DESCRIBED TO ME: =9C. purchased the engine and prop from Westair International Company, Monument, CO 80132 Jim Cullen is the owner. (719) 481-2286 He sold a number of these engines and was recommended to me by Murphy. They thought this was a perfect engine for their plane. I called a fellow who bought one from him to check up on his transaction. He was very pleased with Jim and the engine and prop. (His name is John Knutson, Chicago, (312) 642 0335 home (312) 383 1300 x 104 work) I believe he was putting it into his homebuilt. I haven't talked to him in ten years so I don't know if the numbers are still good. The engine arrived as promised and is complete with magnetos, harness, fuel pump, Bendix injection system, alternator and starter. It is preserved, and includes platinum spark plugs (not installed--the plug holes have the things in them that absorb moisture--I can't remember what they are called!) There are three tech manuals also. It is still in the shipping crate which has always been in my heated shop. I looked in it today and it looks good. The IO-540 G1D5 engine serial number is L-9927-48. It is rated as 290 HP, max rpm 2575. The Hartzell Propeller Model HC-92WK-1DW S/N AC-206 The engine has a total of 799.22 hours since new. It has 5.43 hours since overhaul. The propeller has a total of 731.12 with 2.12 since overhaul. There are two complete log books for the engine and one for the propeller. My concern before buying was that they came out of an IAR 823 airplane which was a plane used by the Romanian Air Force! (I Googled it and it looks like a Mooney to me.) I checked with several engine building people (including the company that overhauled my Cessna engine) who told me the overhaul facility in Romania is noted for quality services. (BOAC had them do all their engine maintenance.) A fellow on the Murphy group, George Coy (who now sells M14P radials and was building a Moose--put this IO-540 in his plane. I asked him why not use one of his radials and he said he was going to put it on floats in Vermont and could not have any oil dripping into their pristine lakes. I guess coffee cans wired under the jugs does not meet environmental standards for catching 100% of the oil! The log books are all in Romanian but I had someone go over them with me (they spoke Romanian) and they are very detailed and complete. I was going to sit down with this person and rewrite each entry but haven't yet. I got a new English engine log from Jim Cullen--I'm not sure it is really necessary to translate the old ones. I feel comfortable with the accuracy of the logs and the work that has been done. A mechanic where I get my Cessna serviced was interested in using the engine for his tow plane--checked out the engine and logs, said it looked good but then found his mounts or something were different and it wouldn't fit. He offered my $20,000 for it! (I should have paid for his new mounts!) Hope this is the info you needed--I think it is the right motor for the Murphy. I've watched a friend mess with a M14 radial in his Moose but his struggles with the cowl, oil leaks, air start, parts, mounts and extra fuel burn, etc. etc. convinced me a good old 290 HP Lycoming was what I felt most comfortable with.=9D Michael Orth Beaver Valley, British Columbia, Canada mosurf(at)xplornet.com (250) 243-0013 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 12:57 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Planning to order the QB fuselage and wings at AirVenture Tal, I would suggest you keep an eye out for a good deal on an engine (unless you are planning on buying a new engine). I was able to find a very good deal on an O-540-A1D5 from a Piper Aztec on eBay a couple of years ago. The engine has 60 hours SMOH and I got it, the logs, and the entire firewall forward assembly from the Aztec (including alterhator, starter and vacuum pump) for $13,000. I had planned to buy a core of an IO-540 for about $12K and then put $15K in new parts in it, overhauling it myself. Even though I wasn't sure what I was getting with this eBay purchase, I felt it was worth it for the money just to have as a core. I was surprised and pleased to see that it was better than advertized, with new Millenium Cylinders, new Slick mags and good shops used for the overhaul. So good deals are out there - you just need to look for them Now I just need to get back to work on the project. Jack Phillips #40610 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Wings and Tail done. Need to buy the Fuselage Kit. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Planning to order the QB fuselage and wings at AirVenture Hi Tal, As Carl said, order avionics last. They change so fast that anything you buy today will be obsolete before you fly. Also - contrary to everything else - they are becoming less expensive or more capable (your choice). As he noted, you may save a few dollars shipping if you order the finish kit (same kit, slow or quick build) with the QB wings and fuselage. But you will need storage space for it. In the past (2008) the QB fuselage and wings could have backlogs as long as 4 months. Call Vans and ask for the current status (I think it's on their web site but may not be the latest info). Finally, the engine. What is your plan? If you were hoping to find a good used one they are rare, you just have to watch constantly. If an overhaul, ask your overhauler about lead times and time to find a useable core. If factory new, you have a choice. These things have been inflating faster than the stock market, so you may consider buying it and the prop (Vans offers a $1K discount if you buy both at the same time) during this year's OSH/AirVenture. They usually have a special, like free shipping and free long term preservation oil. Otherwise, engine lead times are a few months. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421714#421714 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Planning to order the QB fuselage and wings at AirVenture
This engine will create a weight and balance problem for you. It has angle valve cylinders which weigh approx 8 lbs more percylinder than the parallel valve engines, or almost 50 lbs extra on the front of the plane. 290 hp well exceeds Vans maximum hp for the airframe. It is a high compression engine meaning nothing less than 100LL is sufficient. Get the descriptions of all Lyc parallel valve engines so that you know which ones are acceptable and won't need a lot of changes to fit. I can send you a spreadsheet with that info, On 4/7/2014 1:38 PM, Michael Orth wrote: > IO-540 G1D5 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Nikolaos Napoli <napolin(at)me.com>
Subject: RV10 Measurements for PowerTow Tug
Date: Apr 07, 2014
I am planning on ordering the 65ez tug from PowerTow. They asked for certain measurements for the width, and attachment configuration. Has anyone ordered a tug from them that can provide the measurements to me as I am currently 1000 miles away from my aircraft and wont be able to get the measurements for about 2 weeks. By the way any comments , good or bad, on PowerTow are appreciated. Thanks Niko ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2014
Subject: Re: RV10 Measurements for PowerTow Tug
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
See attached for what I sent them. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Nikolaos Napoli wrote: > > I am planning on ordering the 65ez tug from PowerTow. They asked for > certain measurements for the width, and attachment configuration. Has > anyone ordered a tug from them that can provide the measurements to me as I > am currently 1000 miles away from my aircraft and wont be able to get the > measurements for about 2 weeks. > > By the way any comments , good or bad, on PowerTow are appreciated. > > Thanks > Niko > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: RV-10 in Yuma?
Date: Apr 07, 2014
Sam: I sent an email direct to your address but have no reply. BTW, Sunday, I landed at Montgomery, CA (KMYF) for the brunch at 94th Aero Squadron there. Coming in I noticed an RV-10 leaving, is it anyone on the list? Couldn't see the tail no. but it was a nice looking plane. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ospreysammy Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 6:01 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 in Yuma? Fellow builders and fliers, I am going to be in Yuma, AZ for the next few weeks and if there are any builders in the area I would like to meet up and see your project if you don't mind. Thank you for your time. -------- Sam Clark Builder # 40972 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2014
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Which EFIS (was Garmin Touch screen)
...there are voice warnings? !!! I need to get out more. I've been flying for 2.5 years and my panel is at least 4 years old/behind so... From an IFR backup perspective, the separate AP can be a very good thing. It's easy to overlook but probably one of the most useful backup tools and modes. I've got 3 GRT HXs and the fact that their doc has been so far behind had been a frustration but not sure it's really all that different than the 'fully' doc'd Garmin G400/500 series. You can't really fly them effectively until you've done a deep dive in Youtube for the many tutorials on how to really exploit the features. Garmin certainly didn't provide the support - maybe that's different with the newer stuff. In GRT's case, never hesitate to call Carlos with a question. He KNOWS the answer. On the plus side, I've consistently found GRTs software updates rich in new functions and yet rock solid and stable in operation despite the warnings. That's a very good thing. Putting together one's panel is an awful lot fun. On 4/7/2014 3:56 PM, Stein Bruch wrote: > > I can buy that reasoning and also respect that position. There are times > when I dislike "lola" scolding me, but then there are other times when I'm > cruising along not looking at the panel where I find it a help. I find it > useful to at least be able to turn her/him on or off depending on how I feel > that day! Normally with the systems that have voice warnings, they don't > all start yelling at you when you first boot up the system though... > > Cheers, > > Stein > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 2:26 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Which EFIS (was Garmin Touch screen) > > > Stein, > > Although I usually agree with you, not this time. Between the flashing > master caution light (which is really bright) and the the flashing red on > the screen(s) (whether it's oil pressure, CHT, etc.) I don't see how anyone > could ignore the engine warnings, and I do not want a voice yelling at me > "oil pressure, oil pressure" if I boot up the EIS (which I do) prior to > engine start. > > OTOH, the one audio warning they do need is for angle of attack, since the > most critical time (landing approach) is also when you are concentrating the > most out the windscreen. The D-6 variable warning tone is perfect in this > regard. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421735#421735 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Neal George <ngeorge(at)continentalmotors.aero>
Subject: Re: For Sale: SL30 tray
Date: Apr 08, 2014
Alan - According to the install manuals, I believe they use the same tray, but the SL30 takes an extra connector Neal George Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2014, at 8:58 PM, "Alan Mekler MD" wrote: > > > Neal, > Thinking of replacing my sl40 with a 30 > will the 30 fit in the 40 space? > Alan >> On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Neal George wrote: >> >> >> Tray for SL30 & connectors. >> Previously installed, excellent condition. >> >> $150 shipped CONUS >> >> Neal George >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2014
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: VP-200 Noise on Softkey Push
For those with the VP-200 in their bird... I am getting a small burst of static over the intercom when I press one of the four soft keys on the display. I do NOT get the same static when I press the far right knob. All audio tones generated by the VP-200 are coming across fine and I have no other devices causing static. Has anyone else come across this? -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com>
Subject: Re: VP-200 Noise on Softkey Push
Date: Apr 08, 2014
No static from the VP when pressing buttons. It has started to not always move to the next mode of flight (when it should), with no changes from me however. May be a call to Chad @ VP is in order. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: Sean Stephens Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:34 AM Subject: RV10-List: VP-200 Noise on Softkey Push For those with the VP-200 in their bird... I am getting a small burst of static over the intercom when I press one of the four soft keys on the display. I do NOT get the same static when I press the far right knob. All audio tones generated by the VP-200 are coming across fine and I have no other devices causing static. Has anyone else come across this? -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: VP-200 Noise on Softkey Push
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2014
I think I remember seeing that in the early days. They came out with a little chip that went inline with the audio circuit, if I'm not mistaken, that helped or took care of that. I'd call VP. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Apr 8, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > For those with the VP-200 in their bird... > > I am getting a small burst of static over the intercom when I press one of the four soft keys on the display. I do NOT get the same static when I press the far right knob. > > All audio tones generated by the VP-200 are coming across fine and I have no other devices causing static. > > Has anyone else come across this? > > -Sean #40303 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: VP-200 Noise on Softkey Push
At 09:34 AM 4/8/2014 Tuesday, you wrote: > >For those with the VP-200 in their bird... > >I am getting a small burst of static over the intercom when I press one of the four soft keys on the display. I do NOT get the same static when I press the far right knob. > >All audio tones generated by the VP-200 are coming across fine and I have no other devices causing static. > >Has anyone else come across this? > >-Sean #40303 My VP-200's make a "kkrrsssh" sound whenever I press any of the 5 chicklette buttons. That's by design. I told Marc it should be a "click", but he preferred "kkrrssh". Whatevs... :-) Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2014
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Re: VP-200 Noise on Softkey Push
I had a feeling that it might be intended. The "kkrrssh" sure sounds like a static "pop", which lead me to believe I messed up the audio wiring somehow. I wonder if that sound is just a sound file somewhere on the system and it could be replaced? -Sean > Matt Dralle > April 8, 2014 at 1:15 PM > > > My VP-200's make a "kkrrsssh" sound whenever I press any of the 5 > chicklette buttons. That's by design. I told Marc it should be a > "click", but he preferred "kkrrssh". Whatevs... :-) > > Matt > > > - > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full > Flyer Mode > > Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! > Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore > Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! > For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: VP-200 Noise on Softkey Push
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2014
Mine has always done that. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > > For those with the VP-200 in their bird... > > I am getting a small burst of static over the intercom when I press one of the four soft keys on the display. I do NOT get the same static when I press the far right knob. > > All audio tones generated by the VP-200 are coming across fine and I have no other devices causing static. > > Has anyone else come across this? > > -Sean #40303 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Same here
From: "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Apr 08, 2014
That's by design it does it on all buttons. Mike -------- RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421798#421798 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Slime Fighter oil separator
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2014
Any PIREPS on the Slime Fighter RV-10 product and/or vs the ASA product or any other product? Just getting painted and would like to keep it clean. Thanks in advance. Getting close to engine start! -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421803#421803 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Slime Fighter oil separator
I'm opinionated so you may take this with a grain of salt .... whatever that means ;-) Air/oil separators are great for covering up a problem .... if you're getting that much blowby then it's time to look at fixing the problem. With a new engine you shouldn't need one to keep the belly clean. If you're really anal about it, shorten up the vent tube and fix a can under it to catch the drips. If you do go the air/oil separator ..... drain the 'gunk' into a can too. Linn On 4/8/2014 6:41 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > Any PIREPS on the Slime Fighter RV-10 product and/or vs the ASA product or any other product? Just getting painted and would like to keep it clean. > > Thanks in advance. Getting close to engine start! > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421803#421803 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Slime Fighter oil separator
From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Apr 10, 2014
Check out VAF. there is a complete discussion in the RV-10 group and in the general discussion area -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421875#421875 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hope for the six cylinder "P" mag
From: "billz" <billz(at)roadrunner.com>
Date: Apr 12, 2014
I just received this email from Brad Dement. Looks like there may be hope for the six cylinder "P" mags!! As we prepare for production of our first six cylinder model, we need to update our records and reconfirm your interest in the new system. You are receiving this email because you are on our "Six List" which means you are eligible for pre-production pricing that will apply to our first production run (only). It's our way of saying thank you to all those who've been patiently waiting for our first six cylinder models to arrive. In order to organize the first runs we need to clarify your specific requirements. We'd very much appreciate your response by April 18 . Please Note: 1) We are not asking for payment or deposits with this email. 2) The initial release is for Experimental craft only (FAA certification will begin soon). 3) The "Six List" kits will include 1 ignition, 1 six lead auto style harness, 1 set of (6) auto plug adapters. Pre-production pricing will be $1450 for each kit (limit 2 kits per customer). Shipping will be extra. 4) As of now, the Six List is officially closed. New order requests will be gratefully accepted, but pre-production pricing will not apply. Pricing will be revised (upward) once we have a better sense of costs. :D :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421932#421932 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hope for the six cylinder "P" mag
From: "charliewaffles" <mcooper(at)live.com>
Date: Apr 12, 2014
Unfortunately he did the same thing about 2 years ago to "clarify" the list of who was interested. I wouldn't hold much to it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421933#421933 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hope for the six cylinder "P" mag
From: "billz" <billz(at)roadrunner.com>
Date: Apr 14, 2014
You may be correct? We have all been strung along for many years. Here's another email asking about anyone that may have dropped off the list. Time will tell if it's "real" or not!! "Gentlemen: As you know from our email last week, we're gathering data from those who've inquire about a six cylinder E-MAG. While there is a great deal of work yet to be done, we're excited about how the package has come together. If you weren't able to attend the Sun N Fun air show, the photos below will give you a better sense of the model we had on display. Work is continuing and tooling for production will not be a trivial task. We cannot predict exactly when production will begin, but we are as anxious to ship as you are to receive them. We truly appreciate your patience and understanding. Many of the email addresses on our list had errors and/or were no longer valid. If you know of someone who has been waiting for our EXPERIMENTAL six cylinder model but has not yet received a message, please have them contact us at their earliest convenience. Kindest Regards, Brad Dement E-MAG Ignitions 2014 Greg Street, Suite 112 Azle, TX 76020 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421979#421979 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: VP-200 Noise on Softkey Push
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Apr 15, 2014
Mine has always done it, as well. I just assumed it was something Marc did. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422008#422008 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pneumatic squeezer wanted
Date: Apr 15, 2014
If anyone on the list has a pneumatic c-yoke squeezer they no longer need, please contact me off line. My borrowed one just moved away. Thanks - grumpy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Web Server Down for Repair (PLEASE READ)...
Dear Listers, Late Tuesday night 4/15/2014, the Matronics Web server crashed due to a multi-disk RAID 5 failure. The system has complete data backups, but I will likely have to order some replacement disks to rebuild the system. I'll work as quickly as I can to restore the Matronics Web Server. The Matronics EMAIL server is NOT impacted by this issue. All normal Matronics Email List mail will flow as usual. However, the Matronics Web Forums interface will not be available. Also impacted by the Web Server outage will be the AeroElectric web site. I will try to post daily updates on the Web Server restoration status. I apologize for the inconvenience... :-( Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Web Server Repaired and ONLINE! (PLEASE READ)
Dear Listers, The new hard drives for the Matronics web server arrived today, Thursday 4/17/2014 and the RAID5 disk array rebuild went very smoothly. Web server is back online and fully functional! No data or files were lost. Additionally, those that frequent the AeroElectric web site will find that it has been restored as well. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Matronics Web Server Repaired and ONLINE! (PLEASE READ)
Date: Apr 18, 2014
Dear Matt, I thank you. It's folks like you (and probably Tim) that allow me to stay blissfully ignorant of all the technology and hours of troubleshooting, etc. that it takes for me to know that some wonderful gizmo just works. AND I thank you for letting me know that you overcame the challenge so that I can be reminded of my appreciation. Later, - Lew "happily blissfully ignorantly diddling on my computer" Gallagher -----Original Message----- From: Matt Dralle Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 2:28 AM Subject: RV10-List: Matronics Web Server Repaired and ONLINE! (PLEASE READ) Dear Listers, The new hard drives for the Matronics web server arrived today, Thursday 4/17/2014 and the RAID5 disk array rebuild went very smoothly. Matronics Web server is back online and fully functional! No data or files were lost. Additionally, those that frequent the AeroElectric web site will find that it has been restored as well. Best regards, Matt Dralle ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Matronics Web Server Repaired and ONLINE! (PLEASE READ)
Date: Apr 18, 2014
Lew, Thanks for the compliment but this list is all Matt's hard work. I'm just a member like you. I spend a bit of time and money on my own site but it's small in comparison to what Matt does. Thanks for being a part of it all either way. We've had many great discussions and met lots of good people over the years. Tim > On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:34 AM, wrote: > > > > Dear Matt, > > I thank you. It's folks like you (and probably Tim) that allow me to stay blissfully ignorant of all the technology and hours of troubleshooting, etc. that it takes for me to know that some wonderful gizmo just works. > > AND I thank you for letting me know that you overcame the challenge so that I can be reminded of my appreciation. > > Later, - Lew "happily blissfully ignorantly diddling on my computer" Gallagher > > > -----Original Message----- From: Matt Dralle > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 2:28 AM > To: dralle(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Matronics Web Server Repaired and ONLINE! (PLEASE READ) > > > > Dear Listers, > > The new hard drives for the Matronics web server arrived today, Thursday 4/17/2014 and the RAID5 disk array rebuild went very smoothly. > Web server is back online and fully functional! No data or files were lost. > > Additionally, those that frequent the AeroElectric web site will find that it has been restored as well. > > Best regards, > > Matt Dralle > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2014
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: AFS 4500 and VP-200 Fuel Qty
For anyone else out there with a AFS4500 EE and VP-200 combination... Engine data stream between my AFS4500 EE and the VP-200 is all good except for fuel qty. For some reason the fuel qty on the VP-200 is higher. I have 11.0 in Left and 9.0 in Right. The AFS4500 is calibrated and reading correctly. The VP-200 shows 210 in Left and 190 in Right. I have the AFS4500 serial out to the VP-200 set as Chelton. I've tried both AFS3000/3500 and EIS/Chelton as the serial IN setting in the VP-200. Same issue of in both cases. AFS outputs left tank in Aux 2 and right tank in Aux3 fields of the Chelton protocol. Those config field in the VP-200 have them as Integer. I've also tried changing those two to Decimal, which causes the qty to read 21 left and 19 right, which is closer, but still not correct. Anyone with an AFS4500EE and VP200 combo that has fuel qty working? If so can you confirm the Serial Out protocol from the AFS4500 and the Serial In Protocol on the VP-200 and the Aux fields at the at the bottom of the Serial Data Association page? Thanks, -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AFS 4500 and VP-200 Fuel Qty
From: "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Apr 18, 2014
Hi Sean I have the same combo and didn't notice any difference. However having said this my AF-4500 displays Fuel in Liters and the VP-200 in Gallons. I'll check next time I'm at my plane but that might be a while. Mike -------- RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422072#422072 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2014
Subject: Chelton/ S-Tec Sold
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
I expect this will be of interest to some of the early builders with Chelton displays: S-TEC And Chelton Flight Systems Acquired In MBO Businesses Included In Management Buyout Of Cobham Avionics Genesys Aerosystems Group has acquired Chelton Flight Systems, Inc. and S-TEC Corporation, previously doing business as Cobham Avionics, from Cobham in a management buyout. Genesys Aerosystems was formed by Roger Smith, President, and General Manager of the two acquired companies, Rick Price and Gordon Pratt, co-founders of Chelton Flight Systems, and Tammy Crawford, Director of Finance, for the purpose of acquiring the businesses. Key customers include AgustaWestland, Airbus Military, Air Medical Group Holdings, Bell Helicopter, Carson Helicopters, Embraer, Grob Aircraft, Sikorsky, Textron AirLand, and commercial, military, and government fleets around the world. Chelton Flight Systems, originally founded in 1997, developed the world's first FAA-certified synthetic vision flight display system and GPS/WAAS navigator and has grown to become a leader in integrated cockpit avionics systems for special-mission aircraft. Key technologies include synthetic vision with three-dimensional highway-in-the-sky navigation, integrated flight management and hazard alerting, and ultra-compact, highly ruggedized sensors that provide ultimate customer benefits of increased safety, improved dispatch rates, mission flexibility, and seamless future growth. FAA-approved for all classes of aircraft, the company's uniquely customizable open-architecture systems dramatically reduce integration costs and schedules for both OEM and retrofit applications. Chelton Flight Systems products have been certified on over 700 different aircraft types. S-TEC Corporation, founded in 1978, offers a full line of autopilots for airplanes and helicopters. From low-cost analog wing levelers to sophisticated, digital, three-axis systems with Flight Director and envelope protection, S-TEC has FAA certification for nearly 1,000 aircraft types and has delivered over 40,000 autopilot systems. The company's new HeliSAS brings digital, full-authority autopilot technology to the market in a package weighing an unprecedented 15 lbs. Available as a stability augmentation system only or with all autopilot modes, HeliSAS dramatically enhances safety for light single- and twinengine helicopters. "We are a dynamic and growing company," says Smith. "We will continue to support our customers with state-of-the-art technology, agile development, excellent quality, and superb product support. The name is changing but the people and our commitment to our vision are not." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2014
Subject: Good FAA doc on aircraft ownership
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
While I'm sure it doesn't cover a lot on experimentals, it is a good source for aircraft ownership responsibilities for your reference library. Everything you ever wanted to know about registration, and everything else - http://tinyurl.com/klkspks ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AFS 4500 and VP-200 Fuel Qty
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Apr 19, 2014
Mine is a GRT with VP-200, and I had to put a resistor in-line to get the voltage correct. What is your EIS? John -------- #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422103#422103 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2014
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Re: AFS 4500 and VP-200 Fuel Qty
The AFS 4500 EE is an EFIS/Engine monitor combo, so it provides data to the VP-200 using AVTN/Chelton protocol over serial. Odd part is that everything but the fuel qty is correct. Had first engine start today and all the other instrumentation on the VP-200 matched the AFS 4500. > johngoodman > April 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM > > Mine is a GRT with VP-200, and I had to put a resistor in-line to get > the voltage correct. What is your EIS? > John > > -------- > #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422103#422103 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2014
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Re: AFS 4500 and VP-200 Fuel Qty
Thanks Mike. Whenever you get the chance. I just want to confirm the protocol and data association fields to check off the "Sean's not a bonehead" item on my list. :) > Mike Whisky > April 18, 2014 at 4:26 PM > > Hi Sean > I have the same combo and didn't notice any difference. However having > said this my AF-4500 displays Fuel in Liters and the VP-200 in > Gallons. I'll check next time I'm at my plane but that might be a while. > > Mike > > -------- > RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422072#422072 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cabin door safety latch
From: "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 19, 2014
How do most builders feel about the necessity of installing the cabin door safety latch? How long ago did Vans come out with that, as a lot of the photos I see do not show that it has been installed. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422113#422113 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Cabin door safety latch
It has been more than 2 years since Van's came out with the service bulletin. The first 5 yrs or so they did nothing while a dozen or more doors came off. IMHO, Van's service bulletin is almost as bad as the problem. Sean Strasburg engineered a very elegant third latch, in the same area, that operates with the door handle and is invissible from the outside. On 4/19/2014 12:44 PM, bob88 wrote: > > How do most builders feel about the necessity of installing the cabin door safety latch? How long ago did Vans come out with that, as a lot of the photos I see do not show that it has been installed. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422113#422113 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cabin door safety latch
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Apr 19, 2014
I couldn't have said it better. Sean's latch works as advertised. Bob Sent from my iPad On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cabin door safety latch
From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 19, 2014
Has anyone installed one of Seans systems after painting and putting in the interior? I need to do something like this but really dont want undo more than necessary. Thanks, Marcus On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: I couldn't have said it better. Sean's latch works as advertised. Bob Sent from my iPad On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cabin door safety latch
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Apr 19, 2014
If I remember correctly, Scott Schmidt installed the latch well after painting. I seem to recall that he documented the process either here or on VAF. You may want to search the archives. Bob Sent from my iPad > On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > > Has anyone installed one of Seans systems after painting and putting in the interior? I need to do something like this but really dont want undo more than necessary. > > Thanks, > Marcus > > On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > > I couldn't have said it better. Sean's latch works as advertised. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cabin door safety latch
From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 19, 2014
Thanks, I found some good comments on a new install but still looking for the retrofit. Based on price more than anything, Im tempted to go with the 90 degree retrofit and new guide pins. Any thoughts from folks on the 180 vs 90 degree setups? Marcus On Apr 19, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: If I remember correctly, Scott Schmidt installed the latch well after painting. I seem to recall that he documented the process either here or on VAF. You may want to search the archives. Bob Sent from my iPad > On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > > Has anyone installed one of Seans systems after painting and putting in the interior? I need to do something like this but really dont want undo more than necessary. > > Thanks, > Marcus > > On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > > I couldn't have said it better. Sean's latch works as advertised. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Cabin door safety latch
Date: Apr 19, 2014
Marcus, I can send the instructions to your email for the 180 retro and another email with the 90. They are large files so let me know if you want them. Around 6.5 mb each. Also, feel free to call me if you want to chat about your installation. 801-580-3737. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Marcus Cooper Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:27 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin door safety latch Thanks, I found some good comments on a new install but still looking for the retrofit. Based on price more than anything, Im tempted to go with the 90 degree retrofit and new guide pins. Any thoughts from folks on the 180 vs 90 degree setups? Marcus On Apr 19, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: If I remember correctly, Scott Schmidt installed the latch well after painting. I seem to recall that he documented the process either here or on VAF. You may want to search the archives. Bob Sent from my iPad > On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > > Has anyone installed one of Seans systems after painting and putting in > the interior? I need to do something like this but really dont want undo > more than necessary. > > Thanks, > Marcus > > On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > > I couldn't have said it better. Sean's latch works as advertised. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Lewis <timrvator(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 19, 2014
Subject: Re: Cabin door safety latch
I'm glad i installed it on my RV-10. - It is very convenient for temporarily securing door in windy conditions (loading, preflight ). - It practically guarantees the main latch pins engage properly by first assuring door leading & trailing edges are properly aligned w/ door frame. Not sure how much it would help if main latch or pins actually failed in flight - have not seen any reports/data on this. Tim Lewis RV-10 N31TD 500 hrs RV-6A N47TD 1100 hrs A&P Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "bob88" wrote: > > > How do most builders feel about the necessity of installing the cabin door safety latch? How long ago did Vans come out with that, as a lot of the photos I see do not show that it has been installed. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422113#422113 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Cabin door safety latch
http://tinyurl.com/ph4ucvb Is some of Scott's pictures. At the time, his and Sean's plane were in same hangar (may still be, don't know). Sean is exceedingly helpful to get you through any head scratching episodes. Kelly On 4/19/2014 4:32 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > If I remember correctly, Scott Schmidt installed the latch well after painting. I seem to recall that he documented the process either here or on VAF. You may want to search the archives. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: >> >> >> Has anyone installed one of Seans systems after painting and putting in the interior? I need to do something like this but really dont want undo more than necessary. >> >> Thanks, >> Marcus >> >> On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: >> >> >> I couldn't have said it better. Sean's latch works as advertised. >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cabin door safety latch
From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 19, 2014
Excellent, thanks! Marcus On Apr 19, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: http://tinyurl.com/ph4ucvb Is some of Scott's pictures. At the time, his and Sean's plane were in same hangar (may still be, don't know). Sean is exceedingly helpful to get you through any head scratching episodes. Kelly On 4/19/2014 4:32 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > If I remember correctly, Scott Schmidt installed the latch well after painting. I seem to recall that he documented the process either here or on VAF. You may want to search the archives. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: >> >> >> Has anyone installed one of Seans systems after painting and putting in the interior? I need to do something like this but really dont want undo more than necessary. >> >> Thanks, >> Marcus >> >> On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: >> >> >> I couldn't have said it better. Sean's latch works as advertised. >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cabin door safety latch
Date: Apr 19, 2014
3 votes for Sean's solution. It's great. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: I couldn't have said it better. Sean's latch works as advertised. Bob Sent from my iPad On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2014
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: First Engine Start
N428RV hiit a milestone today when it purr'd like a tiger after sitting for almost a year just waiting to be fed. Everything went smooth. Now it's time to submit some paperwork and start the final process of getting a few thousand feet between her wheels and the ground. Video of the event: http://youtu.be/6Gtz0Z-_rFA Thanks to the gang at BPA! -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 90 vs 180 degree safety latch
From: "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 20, 2014
Anyone have strong opinion about 90 vs 180 degree safety latch (from Sean at Planearound)? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422161#422161 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 90 vs 180 degree safety latch
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 20, 2014
You can set it up as you like between 90-180. I have an armrest installed so my range is around 120 degrees or so until it stops at the armrest. Works great. I highly recommend it. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422164#422164 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Door Seal
From: "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 20, 2014
Can the McMaster Carr door seal, applied to the lip on the cabin cover, be removed/replaced if it is floxed on as a couple of people have reportedly done? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422168#422168 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 20, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Door Seal
On 4/20/2014 5:11 PM, bob88 wrote: > > Can the McMaster Carr door seal, applied to the lip on the cabin cover, be removed/replaced if it is floxed on as a couple of people have reportedly done? Haven't tried using fox to attach the door seal .... and don't know why you would .... my MMC door seal has a spring metal liner that grips the lip of the cabin cover. If the lip is too thin in places then you can squeeze the metal to help it grip. Linn ..... painting the interior > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422168#422168 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 20, 2014
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Door Seal
On 4/20/2014 6:05 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > On 4/20/2014 5:11 PM, bob88 wrote: >> >> Can the McMaster Carr door seal, applied to the lip on the cabin >> cover, be removed/replaced if it is floxed on as a couple of people >> have reportedly done? > Haven't tried using fox to attach the door seal .... and don't know > why you would .... my MMC door seal has a spring metal liner that > grips the lip of the cabin cover. If the lip is too thin in places > then you can squeeze the metal to help it grip. > Linn ..... painting the interior >> Ditto. > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: 90 vs 180 degree safety latch
Date: Apr 20, 2014
Bob, The 180 kit has twice more lateral movement which enables the cam to pull the door in before the pins exit the door structure. Even though you use 30 degrees of handle rotation for the cam to pull, the pins can still come out over 1-1/2 inches into the guides and fuse structure. When opening the door the pins retract into the door structure about a 1/2 an inch and all of this is totally adjustable. With the 90 degree kit it is more of a timing game. You can still get it to work great, you just have to get the cam engaged as the pins extend out of the door. There is still room to do it. The 90 can be installed in a painted door and can be installed without taking the pin exit guide screws out. No matter which route you will have to take the handle mechanism screws out. Also, keep in mind the 180 PlaneAround kit does not work with flush handles. Aftermarket flush handles have mechanical interference past 90 degree rotation. Reminder for new builders!!!!!!!!! whatever route you take for door handles/latches/pins, don't cut your Vans' supplied handle gear racks! Cut the 10 inch racks in half instead of what the plans state. There are no negative repercussions for having too long gear racks. This way your stock handle will rotate up to 180 degrees. I sell the racks but they are expensive and I sell them for my cost. Vans are twice the price of mine and that is the price difference between the 180 new and 180 retro. -----Original Message----- From: bob88 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:33 AM Subject: RV10-List: 90 vs 180 degree safety latch Anyone have strong opinion about 90 vs 180 degree safety latch (from Sean at Planearound)? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422161#422161 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
From: "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Apr 21, 2014
Hi I have now 60h on my -10 and suffer of bad noise of my COMM 1 GNS430W. It is constantly receiving loud noise only when the engine is running. Often it is ok on my home frequency 122.15 but permanently noise is present on 124.xxx frequencies. The COMM 1 is connected to a belly mounted Comant C-122 antenna which is attached by screws and nut plates. The antenna came with a cork gasket which I used. Here are my set of questions. The radio receives fine when engine is not running, so I guess that grounding of antenna or cabling should not be the cause of the issue. What could be the potential source of the noise? How can I identify it? I took all electric circuits one by one off-line without success. Any ideas are appreciated Thanks Mike -------- RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422182#422182 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
From: Justin Jones <jmjones2000(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Apr 21, 2014
Sounds like it is a shielding issue. Make sure that you use shielded ground and antenna wires. The shield should be grounded on just one side, not both (either antenna side or radio side). On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:41 AM, Mike Whisky wrote: > > Hi > I have now 60h on my -10 and suffer of bad noise of my COMM 1 GNS430W. > It is constantly receiving loud noise only when the engine is running. Often it is ok on my home frequency 122.15 but permanently noise is present on 124.xxx frequencies. > The COMM 1 is connected to a belly mounted Comant C-122 antenna which is attached by screws and nut plates. The antenna came with a cork gasket which I used. > Here are my set of questions. The radio receives fine when engine is not running, so I guess that grounding of antenna or cabling should not be the cause of the issue. What could be the potential source of the noise? How can I identify it? > > I took all electric circuits one by one off-line without success. > > Any ideas are appreciated > > Thanks > Mike > > -------- > RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) > #511 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422182#422182 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
From: Tcwtech <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Date: Apr 21, 2014
Mike. Have you tried pulling the field breaker on the alternator so you are running on battery power only? If so, then it would appear you are a problem with the magnetos generating noise. If the problem goes away when you turn off the alternator then we are chasing an issue with respect to the alternator and it's regulator. One point if note, there are squelch setting deep in the set-up menu of the gns series. I remember making tweaks to it on my glastar many years ago. Now with respect to the rv-10, I have dual gns-430w, each with a belly mount c-122 antenna and I did use the cork gaskets. All works as advertised, I never have a communication issue with the radios on any frequency. Bob Newman N541RV Tcwtech.com Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 21, 2014, at 6:41 AM, "Mike Whisky" wrote: > > > Hi > I have now 60h on my -10 and suffer of bad noise of my COMM 1 GNS430W. > It is constantly receiving loud noise only when the engine is running. Often it is ok on my home frequency 122.15 but permanently noise is present on 124.xxx frequencies. > The COMM 1 is connected to a belly mounted Comant C-122 antenna which is attached by screws and nut plates. The antenna came with a cork gasket which I used. > Here are my set of questions. The radio receives fine when engine is not running, so I guess that grounding of antenna or cabling should not be the cause of the issue. What could be the potential source of the noise? How can I identify it? > > I took all electric circuits one by one off-line without success. > > Any ideas are appreciated > > Thanks > Mike > > -------- > RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) > #511 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422182#422182 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
Date: Apr 21, 2014
There are several issues that can cause the problem you describe. This last week I fixed a similar problem on an RV-8A - an antenna connector on the feed line was bad. A bad connector can still allow the radio to receive. As you don't say this is a problem on Comm #2 and this problem just appeared, below are some thoughts to isolate the root issue: - swap Comm #1 and Comm #2 antennas to see if the problem moves. If so you have either bad connectors, some other antenna feed line issue or a bad antenna (not likely). I use an MFJ antenna analyzer to verify antenna health. - swap out your 430 with someone else's 430 - if the problem goes away the issue is inside your 430. As Bob suggests this might be a simple squelch setting. If the above checks do not change the symptoms then start looking at the things not checked. This would include tray connections and magneto control cabling (must be shielded wire and grounded per standard magneto wiring practice). If you did something right before this issue started, that would also be a place to look. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tcwtech Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 7:24 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W) Mike. Have you tried pulling the field breaker on the alternator so you are running on battery power only? If so, then it would appear you are a problem with the magnetos generating noise. If the problem goes away when you turn off the alternator then we are chasing an issue with respect to the alternator and it's regulator. One point if note, there are squelch setting deep in the set-up menu of the gns series. I remember making tweaks to it on my glastar many years ago. Now with respect to the rv-10, I have dual gns-430w, each with a belly mount c-122 antenna and I did use the cork gaskets. All works as advertised, I never have a communication issue with the radios on any frequency. Bob Newman N541RV Tcwtech.com Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 21, 2014, at 6:41 AM, "Mike Whisky" wrote: > > > Hi > I have now 60h on my -10 and suffer of bad noise of my COMM 1 GNS430W. > It is constantly receiving loud noise only when the engine is running. Often it is ok on my home frequency 122.15 but permanently noise is present on 124.xxx frequencies. > The COMM 1 is connected to a belly mounted Comant C-122 antenna which is attached by screws and nut plates. The antenna came with a cork gasket which I used. > Here are my set of questions. The radio receives fine when engine is not running, so I guess that grounding of antenna or cabling should not be the cause of the issue. What could be the potential source of the noise? How can I identify it? > > I took all electric circuits one by one off-line without success. > > Any ideas are appreciated > > Thanks > Mike > > -------- > RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) > #511 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422182#422182 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
From: "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Apr 21, 2014
jmjones2000(at)mindspring wrote: > Sounds like it is a shielding issue. Make sure that you use shielded ground and antenna wires. The shield should be grounded on just one side, not both (either antenna side or radio side). > > I am using RG-400 and BNC connectors. The shield is grounded on both ends. It's the first time I hear that it should be grounded only on one side! Can someone confirm. > Mike > > On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:41 AM, Mike Whisky wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi > > I have now 60h on my -10 and suffer of bad noise of my COMM 1 GNS430W. > > It is constantly receiving loud noise only when the engine is running. Often it is ok on my home frequency 122.15 but permanently noise is present on 124.xxx frequencies. > > The COMM 1 is connected to a belly mounted Comant C-122 antenna which is attached by screws and nut plates. The antenna came with a cork gasket which I used. > > Here are my set of questions. The radio receives fine when engine is not running, so I guess that grounding of antenna or cabling should not be the cause of the issue. What could be the potential source of the noise? How can I identify it? > > > > I took all electric circuits one by one off-line without success. > > > > Any ideas are appreciated > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > -------- > > RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) > > #511 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422182#422182 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422188#422188 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2014
Subject: Re: Door Seal
From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com>
Yes. I used the seal as a form to build the edge back up to the proper thickness. I just filled the seal with flox and installed it on the lip. It came off nicely in a single pull. Now, I only let is sit on there for two days or so while the epoxy cured, then I peeled it off. I don't know how things would change if it were on there longer. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > > > On 4/20/2014 6:05 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > >> >> On 4/20/2014 5:11 PM, bob88 wrote: >> >>> >>> Can the McMaster Carr door seal, applied to the lip on the cabin cover, >>> be removed/replaced if it is floxed on as a couple of people have >>> reportedly done? >>> >> Haven't tried using fox to attach the door seal .... and don't know why >> you would .... my MMC door seal has a spring metal liner that grips the >> lip of the cabin cover. If the lip is too thin in places then you can >> squeeze the metal to help it grip. >> Linn ..... painting the interior >> >>> >>> Ditto. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
You are correct. Antenna cable is NOT one of the places that shielding is terminated to ground at only one end. There are opportunities for a bad shield connection with coax. An earlier suggestion to swap antenna cables between Com 1 and Com 2 is a good one to see if it is the cable(does problem move between coms or not?). Likewise, if possible to either borrow another matching radio to see if it does it also, or to put your radio in someone ele's plane to see if the problem goes with the radio. All no/lo-cost tests. Magnetos/electronic ignition and alternator system are two prime candidates for noise generation. Easy to eliminate the alternator noise by pulling field and main breakers. On 4/21/2014 5:42 AM, Mike Whisky wrote: > > > jmjones2000(at)mindspring wrote: >> Sounds like it is a shielding issue. Make sure that you use shielded ground and antenna wires. The shield should be grounded on just one side, not both (either antenna side or radio side). >> >> I am using RG-400 and BNC connectors. The shield is grounded on both ends. It's the first time I hear that it should be grounded only on one side! Can someone confirm. >> Mike >> >> On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:41 AM, Mike Whisky wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> Hi >>> I have now 60h on my -10 and suffer of bad noise of my COMM 1 GNS430W. >>> It is constantly receiving loud noise only when the engine is running. Often it is ok on my home frequency 122.15 but permanently noise is present on 124.xxx frequencies. >>> The COMM 1 is connected to a belly mounted Comant C-122 antenna which is attached by screws and nut plates. The antenna came with a cork gasket which I used. >>> Here are my set of questions. The radio receives fine when engine is not running, so I guess that grounding of antenna or cabling should not be the cause of the issue. What could be the potential source of the noise? How can I identify it? >>> >>> I took all electric circuits one by one off-line without success. >>> >>> Any ideas are appreciated >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike >>> >>> -------- >>> RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) >>> #511 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422182#422182 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > -------- > RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422188#422188 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
From: "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Apr 21, 2014
I do have one common ground for everything at the firewall. It works fine for my COMM 2 (SL30). I will follow your advice and switch off field and then EI/Magneto. The ground of measuring connectivity of the antenna ground base against the structure has been positive. In order to switch antenna cable I need to make a male-male and one female-female coax as the connectors are just the other way around. But I do have now a pretty good idea to eliminate at least some potential sources. I'll keep you updated of the outcome. Thanks Michael -------- RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422207#422207 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Cobhan/Chelton & S-TEC ownership changes
Date: Apr 21, 2014
Does not say anything about continued support for us Chelton users..... Businesses Included In Management Buyout Of Cobham Avionics Genesys Aerosystems Group has acquired Chelton Flight Systems, Inc. and S-TEC Corporation, previously doing business as Cobham Avionics, from Cobham in a management buyout. Genesys Aerosystems was formed by Roger Smith, President, and General Manager of the two acquired companies, Rick Price and Gordon Pratt, co-founders of Chelton Flight Systems, and Tammy Crawford, Director of Finance, for the purpose of acquiring the businesses. Key customers include AgustaWestland, Airbus Military, Air Medical Group Holdings, Bell Helicopter, Carson Helicopters, Embraer, Grob Aircraft, Sikorsky, Textron AirLand, and commercial, military, and government fleets around the world. Chelton Flight Systems, originally founded in 1997, developed the world=92s first FAA-certified synthetic vision flight display system and GPS/WAAS navigator and has grown to become a leader in integrated cockpit avionics systems for special-mission aircraft. Key technologies include synthetic vision with three-dimensional highway-in-the-sky navigation, integrated flight management and hazard alerting, and ultra-compact, highly ruggedized sensors that provide ultimate customer benefits of increased safety, improved dispatch rates, mission flexibility, and seamless future growth. FAA-approved for all classes of aircraft, the company=92s uniquely customizable open-architecture systems dramatically reduce integration costs and schedules for both OEM and retrofit applications. Chelton Flight Systems products have been certified on over 700 different aircraft types. S-TEC Corporation, founded in 1978, offers a full line of autopilots for airplanes and helicopters. =46rom low-cost analog wing levelers to sophisticated, digital, three-axis systems with Flight Director and envelope protection, S-TEC has FAA certification for nearly 1,000 aircraft types and has delivered over 40,000 autopilot systems. The company=92s new HeliSAS brings digital, full-authority autopilot technology to the market in a package weighing an unprecedented 15 lbs. Available as a stability augmentation system only or with all autopilot modes, HeliSAS dramatically enhances safety for light single- and twinengine helicopters. =93We are a dynamic and growing company,=94 says Smith. =93We will continue to support our customers with state-of-the-art technology, agile development, excellent quality, and superb product support. The name is changing but the people and our commitment to our vision are not.=94 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Cobhan/Chelton & S-TEC ownership changes
True, but I tend to think you are better off with the original founders of Chelton than you were with Cobham. On 4/21/2014 1:57 PM, Miller John wrote: > > > Does not say anything about continued support for us Chelton users..... > > > Businesses Included In Management Buyout Of Cobham Avionics > > Genesys Aerosystems Group has acquired Chelton Flight Systems, Inc. > and S-TEC Corporation, previously doing business as Cobham Avionics, > from Cobham in a management buyout. > > Genesys Aerosystems was formed by Roger Smith, President, and General > Manager of the two acquired companies, Rick Price and Gordon Pratt, > co-founders of Chelton Flight Systems, and Tammy Crawford, Director of > Finance, for the purpose of acquiring the businesses. Key customers > include AgustaWestland, Airbus Military, Air Medical Group Holdings, > Bell Helicopter, Carson Helicopters, Embraer, Grob Aircraft, Sikorsky, > Textron AirLand, and commercial, military, and government fleets > around the world. > > Chelton Flight Systems, originally founded in 1997, developed the > worlds first FAA-certified synthetic vision flight display system and > GPS/WAAS navigator and has grown to become a leader in integrated > cockpit avionics systems for special-mission aircraft. Key > technologies include synthetic vision with three-dimensional > highway-in-the-sky navigation, integrated flight management and hazard > alerting, and ultra-compact, highly ruggedized sensors that provide > ultimate customer benefits of increased safety, improved dispatch > rates, mission flexibility, and seamless future growth. FAA-approved > for all classes of aircraft, the companys uniquely customizable > open-architecture systems dramatically reduce integration costs and > schedules for both OEM and retrofit applications. Chelton Flight > Systems products have been certified on over 700 different aircraft types. > > S-TEC Corporation, founded in 1978, offers a full line of autopilots > for airplanes and helicopters. From low-cost analog wing levelers to > sophisticated, digital, three-axis systems with Flight Director and > envelope protection, S-TEC has FAA certification for nearly 1,000 > aircraft types and has delivered over 40,000 autopilot systems. The > companys new HeliSAS brings digital, full-authority autopilot > technology to the market in a package weighing an unprecedented 15 > lbs. Available as a stability augmentation system only or with all > autopilot modes, HeliSAS dramatically enhances safety for light > single- and twinengine helicopters. > > We are a dynamic and growing company, says Smith. We will continue > to support our customers with state-of-the-art technology, agile > development, excellent quality, and superb product support. The name > is changing but the people and our commitment to our vision are not. > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Leaking vent line on QB tanks
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 22, 2014
It appears that the blue nut on the vent line inside the tank was only hand tightened by the QB builders. With more than 20 gallons in the tank, fuel started dripping through the vent line. About a cup or more a day. It's a real pain but it can be tightened through the fuel sender holes, while peeking through the drain hole with a camera. I was lucky enough to be able to borrow a friend's unfinished fuel tank so I can practice... Still without a camera I couldn't do it. The nut was lose on both tanks (only one was loose enough to leak though). I heard this happen to others before. So if you have qb tanks it may be worth checking before you install and proseal in the floats. The vent line was also not bent right on one tank, so the float has no room to go all the way to the top, but that's another story... Lenny -------- Lenny #40803 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422237#422237 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2014
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Leaking vent line on QB tanks
Did you have to use a funky custom wrench, or were you able to use something more standard when using the camera method? Tim On 4/22/2014 8:22 AM, Lenny Iszak wrote: > > It appears that the blue nut on the vent line inside the tank was only hand tightened by the QB builders. With more than 20 gallons in the tank, fuel started dripping through the vent line. About a cup or more a day. > > It's a real pain but it can be tightened through the fuel sender holes, while peeking through the drain hole with a camera. I was lucky enough to be able to borrow a friend's unfinished fuel tank so I can practice... Still without a camera I couldn't do it. > > The nut was lose on both tanks (only one was loose enough to leak though). > > I heard this happen to others before. So if you have qb tanks it may be worth checking before you install and proseal in the floats. > > The vent line was also not bent right on one tank, so the float has no room to go all the way to the top, but that's another story... > > Lenny > > -------- > Lenny > #40803 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Leaking vent line on QB tanks
If you proseal the sending unit to the tank, and that sending unit fails, you will curse yourself for a long time while you try to remove the proseal. Just saying, as I steel myself for having to do a proseal repair on a Mooney tank. On 4/22/2014 6:22 AM, Lenny Iszak wrote: > - > > I heard this happen to others before. So if you have qb tanks it may be worth checking before you install and proseal in the floats. > > The vent line was also not bent right on one tank, so the float has no room to go all the way to the top, but that's another story... > > Lenny > > -------- > Lenny > #40803 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422237#422237 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Leaking vent line on QB tanks
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 22, 2014
Ended up cutting a slot in a shorty box-end wrench so it goes on the vent tube, and hooking up a bunch of long zip-ties on the other end, so i can maneuver it around by holding onto the zip ties. Lenny Tim Olson wrote: > Did you have to use a funky custom wrench, or were you able to > use something more standard when using the camera method? > > Tim > > On 4/22/2014 8:22 AM, Lenny Iszak wrote: > > > > > > > It appears that the blue nut on the vent line inside the tank was only hand tightened by the QB builders. With more than 20 gallons in the tank, fuel started dripping through the vent line. About a cup or more a day. > > > > It's a real pain but it can be tightened through the fuel sender holes, while peeking through the drain hole with a camera. I was lucky enough to be able to borrow a friend's unfinished fuel tank so I can practice... Still without a camera I couldn't do it. > > > > The nut was lose on both tanks (only one was loose enough to leak though). > > > > I heard this happen to others before. So if you have qb tanks it may be worth checking before you install and proseal in the floats. > > > > The vent line was also not bent right on one tank, so the float has no room to go all the way to the top, but that's another story... > > > > Lenny > > > > -------- > > Lenny > > #40803 > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422272#422272 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Leaking vent line on QB tanks
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 22, 2014
A while ago I saw some plastic scrapers on AircraftSpruce, they look like double edged razor blades. I bought some to try them out. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/scraperite12-03311.php Cuts through the proseal like butter, but you have to use it as a knife not as a scraper. It doesn't hurt the aluminum at all. On the face of the sender I just used a razorblade to clean up around the screws. Lenny Kellym wrote: > If you proseal the sending unit to the tank, and that sending unit > fails, you will curse yourself for a long time while you try to remove > the proseal. Just saying, as I steel myself for having to do a proseal > repair on a Mooney tank. > > On 4/22/2014 6:22 AM, Lenny Iszak wrote: > > > - > > > > I heard this happen to others before. So if you have qb tanks it may be worth checking before you install and proseal in the floats. > > > > The vent line was also not bent right on one tank, so the float has no room to go all the way to the top, but that's another story... > > > > Lenny > > > > -------- > > Lenny > > #40803 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422237#422237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422274#422274 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Leaking vent line on QB tanks
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 24, 2014
Mike Andresen aka Azcloudflyer has a complete tool rig specifically for this problem that he has sent all over the world to folks with this issue. Once the sensor plate is off, it's a 30 second fix. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422335#422335 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill(at)cox.net>
Subject: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
Date: Apr 24, 2014
I saw a post on VansAirforce about Camlocs causing problems on the bottom of the cowl. I am installing the cowling on my RV10 right now with hinges on the side of the bottom cowl and camlocs on the bottom. My RV8 has hinges on the side and nutplates on the bottom, and I am very happy with the way the cowl slides aft and the hinges hold it up until I install the pins, a one man job. I was thinking that the camlocs might prevent that smooth installation because the camlocs would hang up the cowl from sliding aft. I can easily change now to nutplates. Can anyone give me any feedback on this configuration? Chris Hukill getting closer everyday ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
No experience with camlocs on the bottom of lower cowl. I put nutplates and screws all across the bottom. I'm not flying yet but my reasoning was screws/nutplates are less espensive and I already have to crawl under the plane to unscrew the bracket in the ramp so why not the ones on the side. I think the camlocs would get in the way as you slide the lower cowl in place. I did put camlocs on the upper cowl and hinges down the sides. Linn On 4/24/2014 8:20 PM, Chris Hukill wrote: > I saw a post on VansAirforce about Camlocs causing problems on the > bottom of the cowl. I am installing the cowling on my RV10 right now > with hinges on the side of the bottom cowl and camlocs on the bottom. > My RV8 has hinges on the side and nutplates on the bottom, and I am > very happy with the way the cowl slides aft and the hinges hold it up > until I install the pins, a one man job. I was thinking that the > camlocs might prevent that smooth installation because the camlocs > would hang up the cowl from sliding aft. I can easily change now to > nutplates. Can anyone give me any feedback on this configuration? > Chris Hukill > getting closer everyday > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 25, 2014
From: David Clifford <davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
I have camloc's on the bottome of my lower cowling and have no issues getting it on or off. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill(at)cox.net> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:20:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: camlocs on the bottom of cowl I saw a post on VansAirforce about Camlocs causing problems on the bottom of the cowl. I am installing the cowling on my RV10 right now with hinges on the side of the bottom cowl and camlocs on the bottom. My RV8 has hinges on the side and nutplates on the bottom, and I am very happy with the way the cowl slides aft and the hinges hold it up until I install the pins, a one man job. I was thinking that the camlocs might prevent that smooth installation because the camlocs would hang up the cowl from sliding aft. I can easily change now to nutplates. Can anyone give me any feedback on this configuration? Chris Hukill getting closer everyday ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
Date: Apr 24, 2014
I've used CamLocks on both pieces of the cowl. No problems to date. Date: Thu=2C 24 Apr 2014 20:32:10 -0400 From: flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: camlocs on the bottom of cowl No experience with camlocs on the bottom of lower cowl. I put nutplates and screws all across the bottom. I'm not flying yet but my reasoning was screws/nutplates are less espensive and I already have to crawl under the plane to unscrew the bracket in the ramp so why not the ones on the side. I think the camlocs would get in the way as you slide the lower cowl in place. I did put camlocs on the upper cowl and hinges down the sides. Linn On 4/24/2014 8:20 PM=2C Chris Hukill wrote: I saw a post on VansAirforce about Camlocs causing problems on the bottom of the cowl. I am installing the cowling on my RV10 right now with hinges on the side of the bottom cowl and camlocs on the bottom. My RV8 has hinges on the side and nutplates on the bottom=2C and I am very happy with the way the cowl slides aft and the hinges hold it up until I install the pins=2C a one man job. I was thinking that the camlocs might prevent that smooth installation because the camlocs would hang up the cowl from sliding aft. I can easily change now to nutplates. Can anyone give me any feedback on this configuration? Chris Hukill getting closer everyday No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/24/14 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Date: Apr 24, 2014
Some 1/4 turn fasteners cause more of a problem in that type if thing than o thers. I have installed Skybolt fasteners on a couple if cowls there without trouble. Screws and nutplates are definitely cheaper. The biggest reason to go screws, IMHO, is the reason already given, that you still have 6 screws o n the bottom of the cowl to remove, so you'll already be down there. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse(at)itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:35 PM, David Clifford wr ote: > > I have camloc's on the bottome of my lower cowling and have no issues gett ing it on or off. > > From: "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill(at)cox.net> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:20:41 PM > Subject: RV10-List: camlocs on the bottom of cowl > > I saw a post on VansAirforce about Camlocs causing problems on the bottom o f the cowl. I am installing the cowling on my RV10 right now with hinges on t he side of the bottom cowl and camlocs on the bottom. My RV8 has hinges on t he side and nutplates on the bottom, and I am very happy with the way the co wl slides aft and the hinges hold it up until I install the pins, a one man j ob. I was thinking that the camlocs might prevent that smooth installation b ecause the camlocs would hang up the cowl from sliding aft. I can easily cha nge now to nutplates. Can anyone give me any feedback on this configuration? > Chris Hukill > getting closer everyday > > > get="_blank" data-mce-href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Li st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ta-mce-href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _blank" data-mce-href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www .matronics.com/contribution > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2014
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
3 screws on each side, 650 hours, not even a remote issue.... besides, with a makita, it pretty quick.=0ADon McDonald=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0A From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@mat ronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:14 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-Li st: camlocs on the bottom of cowl=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AI've used CamLocks on bot h pieces of the cowl. No problems to date.=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0ADate: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 20:32:10 -0400=0AFrom: flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: camlocs on the bot tom of cowl=0A=0A=0ANo experience with camlocs on the bottom of lower cowl. - I put nutplates and screws all across the bottom.=0AI'm not flying yet but my reasoning was screws/nutplates are less=0A espensive and I alre ady have to crawl under the plane to unscrew=0A the bracket in the ram p so why not the ones on the side.- I think=0A the camlocs would get in the way as you slide the lower cowl in=0A place.=0AI did put camlo cs on the upper cowl and hinges down the sides.=0A=0ALinn=0A=0AOn 4/24/2014 8:20 PM, Chris Hukill wrote:=0A=0AI saw a post on VansAirforce about Camlo cs causing problems on the bottom of the cowl. I am installing the cowling on my RV10 right now with hinges on the side of the bottom cowl and camlocs on the bottom. My RV8 has hinges on the side and nutplates on the bottom, and I am very happy with the way the cowl slides aft and the hinges hold it up until I install the pins, a one man job. I was thinking that the camloc s might prevent that smooth installation because the camlocs would hang up the cowl from sliding aft. I can easily change now to nutplates. Can anyone give me any feedback on this configuration?=0A>Chris Hukill=0A>getting clo ser everyday=0A>No virus found in this message.=0A>Checked by AVG - www.avg .com=0A>04/24/14=0A=0Aist" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?RV10-List=0Aank>http://forums.matronics.com=0Arget=_blank>http://www.m ===================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuel lines
From: "rvdave" <rv610dave(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 24, 2014
Just received and installed the Vans recommended fuel line from firewall to fuel pump and have a concern. First it fits a little tight and seems a little short but maybe clocking the fitting will cure that; 2) am concerned about the aluminum firewall thru fitting holding up through engine vibration and may change that to steel; 3) if the line is adel clamped to the engine mount will that eliminate concern about vibration to the fitting? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422349#422349 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel lines
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Date: Apr 24, 2014
Stock setup has worked for 1,300+ hours here. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse(at)itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2014, at 10:58 PM, "rvdave" wrote: > > > Just received and installed the Vans recommended fuel line from firewall to fuel pump and have a concern. First it fits a little tight and seems a little short but maybe clocking the fitting will cure that; 2) am concerned about the aluminum firewall thru fitting holding up through engine vibration and may change that to steel; 3) if the line is adel clamped to the engine mount will that eliminate concern about vibration to the fitting? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422349#422349 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel lines
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Apr 25, 2014
1. I went with TSflightline for all fuel lines for and aft of the firewall, so I can't speak to the length of Vans cable. 2. I replaced with steel fittings. Anplumbing.com 3. Shouldn't be an issue. I don't recall if I secured that line with an adel clamp or not. Just make sure that the line has some slack if you use an adel clamp. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 24, 2014, at 10:58 PM, "rvdave" wrote: > > > Just received and installed the Vans recommended fuel line from firewall to fuel pump and have a concern. First it fits a little tight and seems a little short but maybe clocking the fitting will cure that; 2) am concerned about the aluminum firewall thru fitting holding up through engine vibration and may change that to steel; 3) if the line is adel clamped to the engine mount will that eliminate concern about vibration to the fitting? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422349#422349 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Apr 25, 2014
I posted this on VAF a long time ago. I started down the path of camlocs from Skybolt and changed back to hinge. The issue with the skybolt camlocs is the new cowl does not have enough edge overlap as part of the joggle. You will have to grind the cowl along the upper edge to create a large enough flat area for the camloc strip to sit on. A lot of work and weakening the cowl. The hinge does just fine, after 250 hours it is a piece of cake to remove. I used 5 #8 screws at the bottom on each side. -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422366#422366 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 25, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
Interesting, as I have the pink cowl with gray outer coating obtained in fall of 2010. I installed Skybolt with their supplied mounting tabs for entire firewall as well as the horizontal parting line. There was adequate flange all the way around. I did not need to grind anything in the honeycomb area. Kelly 40866, allegedly finishing. On 4/25/2014 7:12 AM, bill.peyton wrote: > > I posted this on VAF a long time ago. I started down the path of camlocs from Skybolt and changed back to hinge. The issue with the skybolt camlocs is the new cowl does not have enough edge overlap as part of the joggle. You will have to grind the cowl along the upper edge to create a large enough flat area for the camloc strip to sit on. A lot of work and weakening the cowl. The hinge does just fine, after 250 hours it is a piece of cake to remove. I used 5 #8 screws at the bottom on each side. > > -------- > Bill > WA0SYV > Aviation Partners, LLC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422366#422366 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
Date: Apr 25, 2014
Mine (ordered very close to the same time Kelly's) doesn't have enough flange for my skybolts. Weird. So I'm switching back to hinges at this point. I've got some photos somewhere of it. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: Interesting, as I have the pink cowl with gray outer coating obtained in fall of 2010. I installed Skybolt with their supplied mounting tabs for entire firewall as well as the horizontal parting line. There was adequate flange all the way around. I did not need to grind anything in the honeycomb area. Kelly 40866, allegedly finishing. > On 4/25/2014 7:12 AM, bill.peyton wrote: > > I posted this on VAF a long time ago. I started down the path of camlocs from Skybolt and changed back to hinge. The issue with the skybolt camlocs is the new cowl does not have enough edge overlap as part of the joggle. You will have to grind the cowl along the upper edge to create a large enough flat area for the camloc strip to sit on. A lot of work and weakening the cowl. The hinge does just fine, after 250 hours it is a piece of cake to remove. I used 5 #8 screws at the bottom on each side. > > -------- > Bill > WA0SYV > Aviation Partners, LLC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422366#422366 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
Date: Apr 25, 2014
I have the pink cowl w/o the gray exterior and it had plenty of flange for the skybolts all around. I am using the skybolt upper kit, hinges on the lower cowl sides, and 3 #8 screws on each side on the bottom of the cowl. Not flying yet though. I would not let the lack of flange deter you from skybolts if you wanted to use them. It is not a difficult task to remove some of the honeycomb. I don't think it weakens the cowl at all when you do that because essentially your making your cowl match how most of them were molded from the start. I would seal the edge of the honeycomb and potentially layup a thin layer or two of glass if you felt you sanded the shell a bit thin in spots. In total it's probably on a couple hour job. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl Mine (ordered very close to the same time Kelly's) doesn't have enough flange for my skybolts. Weird. So I'm switching back to hinges at this point. I've got some photos somewhere of it. Phil Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 25, 2014
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com>
Guys, FYI I have the pink cowl, just fitted recently, and I had to grind away the foam structural part on the top right corner just to make the piano hinge fit. The foam was very crooked along the aft edge. I covered the area that I ground away with fiberglass cloth to replace the structural foam I removed. I am using 4 #8 screws & nut plates. Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ben Westfall wrote: > > I have the pink cowl w/o the gray exterior and it had plenty of flange for > the skybolts all around. I am using the skybolt upper kit, hinges on the > lower cowl sides, and 3 #8 screws on each side on the bottom of the cowl. > Not flying yet though. > > I would not let the lack of flange deter you from skybolts if you wanted to > use them. It is not a difficult task to remove some of the honeycomb. I > don't think it weakens the cowl at all when you do that because essentially > your making your cowl match how most of them were molded from the start. I > would seal the edge of the honeycomb and potentially layup a thin layer or > two of glass if you felt you sanded the shell a bit thin in spots. In > total > it's probably on a couple hour job. > > -Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:11 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl > > > Mine (ordered very close to the same time Kelly's) doesn't have enough > flange for my skybolts. Weird. > > So I'm switching back to hinges at this point. I've got some photos > somewhere of it. > > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Apr 25, 2014
I'm pretty sure the variability we are seeing has to do with both some of the cowling manufacturing variability, and with the variability in the front flange of the engine to the firewall dimension. Since all the cowls are custom cut and fitted, some end up with more or less flange than others. I'm my experience, the fiberglass on the top and bottom of the foam is significantly thinner than the flanges. If you grind away the foam, you will have to add in several layers of fiberglass. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Ben Westfall" wrote: > > > I have the pink cowl w/o the gray exterior and it had plenty of flange for > the skybolts all around. I am using the skybolt upper kit, hinges on the > lower cowl sides, and 3 #8 screws on each side on the bottom of the cowl. > Not flying yet though. > > I would not let the lack of flange deter you from skybolts if you wanted to > use them. It is not a difficult task to remove some of the honeycomb. I > don't think it weakens the cowl at all when you do that because essentially > your making your cowl match how most of them were molded from the start. I > would seal the edge of the honeycomb and potentially layup a thin layer or > two of glass if you felt you sanded the shell a bit thin in spots. In total > it's probably on a couple hour job. > > -Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:11 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl > > > Mine (ordered very close to the same time Kelly's) doesn't have enough > flange for my skybolts. Weird. > > So I'm switching back to hinges at this point. I've got some photos > somewhere of it. > > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 25, 2014
Subject: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
In general, 1/4-turns don't clamp as tight as as a screw. That area is pretty flexible so it benefits from good clampup. I don't think anyone has used the stock hinges for very long. Use the same hardware as the support plate and it's no big deal to pull out all 12 screws. On Thursday, April 24, 2014, Chris Hukill > wrote: > I saw a post on VansAirforce about Camlocs causing problems on the > bottom of the cowl. I am installing the cowling on my RV10 right now with > hinges on the side of the bottom cowl and camlocs on the bottom. My RV8 has > hinges on the side and nutplates on the bottom, and I am very happy with > the way the cowl slides aft and the hinges hold it up until I install the > pins, a one man job. I was thinking that the camlocs might prevent that > smooth installation because the camlocs would hang up the cowl from sliding > aft. I can easily change now to nutplates. Can anyone give me any feedback > on this configuration? > Chris Hukill > getting closer everyday > > * > > > * > > -- --Dave Saylor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Date: Apr 25, 2014
We have been using the stock hinges for 9 years and 1,300+ hours. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse(at)itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > > In general, 1/4-turns don't clamp as tight as as a screw. That area is pr etty flexible so it benefits from good clampup. I don't think anyone has use d the stock hinges for very long. > > Use the same hardware as the support plate and it's no big deal to pull ou t all 12 screws. > >> On Thursday, April 24, 2014, Chris Hukill wrote: >> I saw a post on VansAirforce about Camlocs causing problems on the bottom of the cowl. I am installing the cowling on my RV10 right now with hinges o n the side of the bottom cowl and camlocs on the bottom. My RV8 has hinges o n the side and nutplates on the bottom, and I am very happy with the way the cowl slides aft and the hinges hold it up until I install the pins, a one m an job. I was thinking that the camlocs might prevent that smooth installati on because the camlocs would hang up the cowl from sliding aft. I can easily change now to nutplates. Can anyone give me any feedback on this configurat ion? >> Chris Hukill >> getting closer everyday >> >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > -- > --Dave Saylor > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 25, 2014
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Here is the photo that I mentioned showing the interference with the honeycomb and skybolt tabs. After reading some of the others experiences, I suspect the answer is in the spinner/prop selection. I'm running a 3 blade MT and it came with a factory spinner. I suspect if I fitted vans spinner to a different prop, it would move the cowling further forward by a .25" to .5". The MT spinner does sit back a little further and after you set the gap between the back of the spinner and the front of the cowling, that could easily make up the difference between hitting the honeycomb or not. I'm not going to put the work in to making the skybolts work with my MT setup. So if anyone is interested in a full set for the upper cowl, lower cowl, and sides, let me know. Phil On Friday, April 25, 2014, Phillip Perry wrote: > Mine (ordered very close to the same time Kelly's) doesn't have enough > flange for my skybolts. Weird. > > So I'm switching back to hinges at this point. I've got some photos > somewhere of it. > > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Kelly McMullen > > wrote: > > > > > Interesting, as I have the pink cowl with gray outer coating obtained in > fall of 2010. > I installed Skybolt with their supplied mounting tabs for entire firewall > as well as the horizontal parting line. > There was adequate flange all the way around. I did not need to grind > anything in the honeycomb area. > Kelly > 40866, allegedly finishing. > > > On 4/25/2014 7:12 AM, bill.peyton wrote: > > > > > > I posted this on VAF a long time ago. I started down the path of > camlocs from Skybolt and changed back to hinge. The issue with the skybolt > camlocs is the new cowl does not have enough edge overlap as part of the > joggle. You will have to grind the cowl along the upper edge to create a > large enough flat area for the camloc strip to sit on. A lot of work and > weakening the cowl. The hinge does just fine, after 250 hours it is a > piece of cake to remove. I used 5 #8 screws at the bottom on each side. > > > > -------- > > Bill > > WA0SYV > > Aviation Partners, LLC > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422366#422366 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tom Koelzer <40950(at)rv10.net>
Date: Apr 27, 2014
Subject: Vansairforce
Anyone else having problems resolving www.vansairforce.net? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 27, 2014
I used stock hinges on mine. 40983 12/1/09-12/1/2011. At 100 hrs bottom left hinge loops all broken and 1 loop on the right side broken. Replaced both sides with .063" and 6 #8's per side. -------- Wayne G. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422482#422482 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "William Greenley" <wgreenley(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Vansairforce
Date: Apr 27, 2014
Yes, no response whatsoever -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Koelzer Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: Vansairforce Anyone else having problems resolving www.vansairforce.net? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2014
Subject: Re: Vansairforce
From: David King <daviid(at)gmail.com>
i could of sworn i saw something on there about a server change or server update this weekend On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:44 PM, William Greenley wrote: > > Yes, no response whatsoever > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Koelzer > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:25 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Vansairforce > > > Anyone else having problems resolving www.vansairforce.net? > > -- David King www.daviid.net This email is not a consent to add this address to your email list. Do not add this email address to your email list, unless specifically asked to do so. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Vansairforce
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2014
Same here. -------- Wayne G. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422509#422509 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pireps on KFFA, KMQI and W95.
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 29, 2014
We are planning a 3 day trip to the OBX after Memorial Day. Any advice on accomodations, restaurants, things to see and do would be much appreciated. -------- Wayne G. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422567#422567 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Pireps on KFFA, KMQI and W95.
Date: Apr 30, 2014
Been to all three - great places to see. For FFA go for the experience. From there fly to MQI for the food. After that on to W95 (Ocracoke Island) to say a couple of days. I called the Castle B&B and made arrangements for them to pick us up after the airplane was tied down. They were happy to do it http://www.thecastlebb.com/Ocracoke/ We stayed at the Castle three days - and highly recommend it. No need for rental cars and Ocracoke is not a tourist trap. Plenty of nice mom and pop places to eat and things to do within easy walking distance. Carl Dogwood Airpark (VA42) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Pireps on KFFA, KMQI and W95. We are planning a 3 day trip to the OBX after Memorial Day. Any advice on accomodations, restaurants, things to see and do would be much appreciated. -------- Wayne G. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422567#422567 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 30, 2014
Subject: Dumb hardware inventory question
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
I have a few plastic bags of hardware, mostly in the 507 number range that I do not have listed on the Finish hardware, the FWF hardware, or anywhere else I can find. Was looking all over for some baffling hardware, like the two spark plug access hole covers, and finally found these 3 or 4 bags that were not listed anywhere that I can see. About the time I began on the fuselage, I stopped emptying all the bags of parts into labeled drawers and found it was generally easier to take the part number in the plans, find it on the inventory and go to the numbered bag. One of these days, I think would be a good project to take and combine the hardware inventory lists into a complete, single spreadsheet of parts by bag number, that was searchable by computer, to speed things up for future builders. Just as soon as I find the round tuit. ;-) Kelly ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dumb hardware inventory question
From: Bruce Hoppe <bruce.hoppe(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 30, 2014
I scanned all my inventory lists into one searchable PDF file in Evernote. I left everything grouped with one bag per drawer in several plastic hardware cabinets. If I do not find something immediately, then I search for the pa rt on my iPad. I can then find the bag/drawer number.Works well. With a se archable PDF, you do not need a spreadsheet. It only took a couple of minut es to setup. Some common hardware items, such as bolts, nuts, nut plates, e tc might be easier to find in separate drawers. Bruce Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2014, at 11:38 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I have a few plastic bags of hardware, mostly in the 507 number range tha t I do not have listed on the Finish hardware, the FWF hardware, or anywhere else I can find. Was looking all over for some baffling hardware, like the t wo spark plug access hole covers, and finally found these 3 or 4 bags that w ere not listed anywhere that I can see. > About the time I began on the fuselage, I stopped emptying all the bags of parts into labeled drawers and found it was generally easier to take the pa rt number in the plans, find it on the inventory and go to the numbered bag. One of these days, I think would be a good project to take and combine the hardware inventory lists into a complete, single spreadsheet of parts by ba g number, that was searchable by computer, to speed things up for future bui lders. Just as soon as I find the round tuit. ;-) > Kelly > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
From: "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Apr 30, 2014
Now this one is getting interesting. I measured the RG-400 antenna cable and found on the antenna side that on the female BNC connector the shield and the center pin are somehow connected, which shouldn't be the case. The weird thing however is, that if I measure the cable from the other side the shield and the center pin are not connected?! I tested this several times and measured connectivity of the shields on both sides which is positiv. Does anyone have an idea what's going on? Thanks Mike -------- RV-10 builder (flying) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422616#422616 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 30, 2014
Are you disconnecting it from the radio while you are checking continuity? If it's connected to the radio, it will show a dead short when checked from the other end. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2014, at 3:56 PM, "Mike Whisky" wrote: Now this one is getting interesting. I measured the RG-400 antenna cable and found on the antenna side that on the female BNC connector the shield and the center pin are somehow connected, which shouldn't be the case. The weird thing however is, that if I measure the cable from the other side the shield and the center pin are not connected?! I tested this several times and measured connectivity of the shields on both sides which is positiv. Does anyone have an idea what's going on? Thanks Mike -------- RV-10 builder (flying) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422616#422616 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 30, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Dumb hardware inventory question
Sounds good. I agree, acrobat searchable is just as good as spreadsheet. Would you consider sharing your document? On 4/30/2014 12:40 PM, Bruce Hoppe wrote: > I scanned all my inventory lists into one searchable PDF file in > Evernote. I left everything grouped with one bag per drawer in > several plastic hardware cabinets. If I do not find something > immediately, then I search for the part on my iPad. I can then find > the bag/drawer number.Works well. With a searchable PDF, you do not > need a spreadsheet. It only took a couple of minutes to setup. Some > common hardware items, such as bolts, nuts, nut plates, etc might be > easier to find in separate drawers. > > Bruce > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 30, 2014, at 11:38 AM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > >> I have a few plastic bags of hardware, mostly in the 507 number >> range that I do not have listed on the Finish hardware, the FWF >> hardware, or anywhere else I can find. Was looking all over for some >> baffling hardware, like the two spark plug access hole covers, and >> finally found these 3 or 4 bags that were not listed anywhere that I >> can see. >> About the time I began on the fuselage, I stopped emptying all the >> bags of parts into labeled drawers and found it was generally easier >> to take the part number in the plans, find it on the inventory and go >> to the numbered bag. One of these days, I think would be a good >> project to take and combine the hardware inventory lists into a >> complete, single spreadsheet of parts by bag number, that was >> searchable by computer, to speed things up for future builders. Just >> as soon as I find the round tuit. ;-) >> Kelly >> * >> * > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HID landing lights
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Date: May 01, 2014
Oops, use this email address! On May 1, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Miller DeSha wrote: > I have a new, unused set (2) of 50w MR16 high intensity landing lights sold by Planelights.com. They are a direct replacement for the stock Vans landing lights. > > I have decided to not install them in my plane. > > The set includes the bulbs, ballasts and installation instructions. All for $100. > > Contact me off line. > > grumpy > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
From: "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: May 01, 2014
Yes it was disconnected. -------- RV-10 builder (flying) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422683#422683 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
Date: May 01, 2014
If so, this pretty well narrows it down to a bad connector (braid sometimes shorts, sometimes not). Try mechanically agitating (wiggling) the connector at each end and see if you can make the short go away. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Whisky Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 2:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W) Yes it was disconnected. -------- RV-10 builder (flying) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422683#422683 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
Date: May 01, 2014
I get a lot of static on my Garmin 430 and on the SL-40 when the transmitti ng person keys their mike. Only then. Sometimes its so loud its hard to und erstand them. I've tried all kinds of squelch settings to no avail. Any ide as to help me?? > Subject: RV10-List: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W) > From: rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net > Date: Thu=2C 1 May 2014 11:38:30 -0700 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > Yes it was disconnected. > > -------- > RV-10 builder (flying) > #511 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422683#422683 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
Date: May 02, 2014
One thing to check is that your headset plugs are isolated from any metal that is conductive/aluminum or carbon fiber. I had the same Problem and it was my rear head set jacks. The isolator washers were the problem. I would at least check all the headset jacks for proper Isolation. Geoff Combs From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W) I get a lot of static on my Garmin 430 and on the SL-40 when the transmitting person keys their mike. Only then. Sometimes its so loud its hard to understand them. I've tried all kinds of squelch settings to no avail. Any ideas to help me?? > Subject: RV10-List: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W) > From: rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net <mailto:rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> > Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 11:38:30 -0700 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Yes it was disconnected. > > -------- > RV-10 builder (flying) > #511 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422683#422683 > > > > > > > >=== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W)
Date: May 01, 2014
I will do that. Thanks Geoff!! From: g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W) Date: Fri=2C 2 May 2014 15:39:40 -0400 One thing to check is that your headset plugs are isolated from any metal t hat is conductive/aluminum or carbon fiber. I had the sameProblem and it wa s my rear head set jacks. The isolator washers were the problem. I would at least check all the headset jacks for properIsolation. Geoff Combs From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matroni cs.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Thursday=2C May 01=2C 2014 3:27 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS430W) I ge t a lot of static on my Garmin 430 and on the SL-40 when the transmitting p erson keys their mike. Only then. Sometimes its so loud its hard to underst and them. I've tried all kinds of squelch settings to no avail. Any ideas t o help me??> Subject: RV10-List: Re: How to eliminate noise on COMM 1 (GNS4 30W) > From: rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net > Date: Thu=2C 1 May 2014 11:38:30 -0700 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > Yes it was disconnected. > > -------- > RV-10 builder (flying) > #511 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422683#422683 > > > > > > > >=== > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: HID landing lights
Date: May 01, 2014
I'll take them if they are still available. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 6:59 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: HID landing lights Oops, use this email address! On May 1, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Miller DeSha wrote: > I have a new, unused set (2) of 50w MR16 high intensity landing lights sold by Planelights.com. They are a direct replacement for the stock Vans landing lights. > > I have decided to not install them in my plane. > > The set includes the bulbs, ballasts and installation instructions. All for $100. > > Contact me off line. > > grumpy > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HID landing lights
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Date: May 02, 2014
They are if you still want them. Confirm you still want them and I'll get them off to you today and you can drop a check in the mail. My address is John Miller 109 Troon Way Tullahoma, TN 37388 On May 1, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Albert Gardner wrote: > > I'll take them if they are still available. > Albert Gardner > N991RV > Yuma, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 6:59 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: HID landing lights > > > Oops, use this email address! > > On May 1, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Miller DeSha wrote: > >> I have a new, unused set (2) of 50w MR16 high intensity landing lights > sold by Planelights.com. They are a direct replacement for the stock Vans > landing lights. >> >> I have decided to not install them in my plane. >> >> The set includes the bulbs, ballasts and installation instructions. All > for $100. >> >> Contact me off line. >> >> grumpy >> >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: HID landing lights
Date: May 02, 2014
OK John, I want them. I'll get a bucket of money heading your way. Albert Gardner 3366 W 12th Lane Yuma, AZ 85364 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 8:23 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: HID landing lights They are if you still want them. Confirm you still want them and I'll get them off to you today and you can drop a check in the mail. My address is John Miller 109 Troon Way Tullahoma, TN 37388 On May 1, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Albert Gardner wrote: > --> > > I'll take them if they are still available. > Albert Gardner > N991RV > Yuma, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 6:59 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: HID landing lights > > > Oops, use this email address! > > On May 1, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Miller DeSha wrote: > >> I have a new, unused set (2) of 50w MR16 high intensity landing >> lights > sold by Planelights.com. They are a direct replacement for the stock > Vans landing lights. >> >> I have decided to not install them in my plane. >> >> The set includes the bulbs, ballasts and installation instructions. >> All > for $100. >> >> Contact me off line. >> >> grumpy >> >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: One more port than I know what to do with...
Date: May 03, 2014
In the attached picture, just below the breather tube hose is a red capped port on my YIO 540. Anyone know what I should be doing with it? Jeff Carpenter 40304 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: One more port than I know what to do with...
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 03, 2014
I"m a little disoriented. Is that the tach drive port? If so, you'll use it if you have a mechanical tach; if electronic tach, you'll need to cap it off. AC Spruce sells a suitable cap. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422758#422758 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2014
Subject: Re: One more port than I know what to do with...
From: Bob Condrey <condreyb(at)gmail.com>
That's for the oil temp probe. Bob On Saturday, May 3, 2014, Jeff Carpenter wrote: > In the attached picture, just below the breather tube hose is a red capped > port on my YIO 540. Anyone know what I should be doing with it? > > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-10 Air Oil Separator Installation
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: May 04, 2014
Could other builders please indicate if you've gone to the effort of installing an air/oil separator on your IO-540 engines? If so what is the recommended type and location of same in the engine compartment please? Any pictures of installations would be greatly appreciated too please. Warm regards and wishing you all safe skies. Patrick Pulis Adelaide, South Australia ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: TruTrak AP Pitch Servo issue
From: "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 03, 2014
I love my DigiFlight II VSGV, but recently experienced an in-flight loss of altitude command in my Pitch Servo. The only symptom of something wrong was lack of altitude hold (roll works fine). After landing I powered the AP on back at the hangar and varied the altitude control to different +/- vertical speeds. The stick moved ever so slightly fwd and aft. No real force was required to override it manually even though the AP torque setting was at max). After removing the baggage compartment bulkhead, I fully expected to see what a sheared off servo bolt looks like... However, it's still intact and looks fine. Closer inspection showed nothing unusual with the servo arm, fittings, cable, phenolitic wheel (sp?) pitch tube or wires. The servo acted like it was trying to move the pitch tube (things were clicking), nothing was happening. I watched the servo running and noticed a loose factory set screw where the blue motor housing attaches to gold base. Yikes! I'll be calling TT Monday first thing Monday and will report on how this turns out. Guess I'll be adding add a visual/physical inspection of the blue servo motor housing to my annual checklist. Cheers, Jay 433RV Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422763#422763 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 Air Oil Separator Installation
From: Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Date: May 03, 2014
This is what I'm using. It works. I collect the oil - not return it to th e engine. I empty out a couple of ounces each oil change. Carl > On May 3, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Patrick Pulis wrot e: > > > Could other builders please indicate if you've gone to the effort of insta lling an air/oil separator on your IO-540 engines? > > If so what is the recommended type and location of same in the engine comp artment please? > > Any pictures of installations would be greatly appreciated too please. > > Warm regards and wishing you all safe skies. > > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >

      
      
      
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Subject: Re: HID landing lights
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Date: May 03, 2014
Ill get them in FEDEX on Monday and send you the tracking number. Hope you put them to good use! John On May 2, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Albert Gardner wrote: > > OK John, I want them. I'll get a bucket of money heading your way. > Albert Gardner > 3366 W 12th Lane > Yuma, AZ 85364 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 8:23 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: HID landing lights > > > They are if you still want them. Confirm you still want them and I'll get > them off to you today and you can drop a check in the mail. > > My address is > > John Miller > 109 Troon Way > Tullahoma, TN 37388 > > > On May 1, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Albert Gardner wrote: > >> --> >> >> I'll take them if they are still available. >> Albert Gardner >> N991RV >> Yuma, AZ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 6:59 AM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: HID landing lights >> >> >> Oops, use this email address! >> >> On May 1, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Miller DeSha wrote: >> >>> I have a new, unused set (2) of 50w MR16 high intensity landing >>> lights >> sold by Planelights.com. They are a direct replacement for the stock >> Vans landing lights. >>> >>> I have decided to not install them in my plane. >>> >>> The set includes the bulbs, ballasts and installation instructions. >>> All >> for $100. >>> >>> Contact me off line. >>> >>> grumpy >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 Air Oil Separator Installation
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: May 04, 2014
Many thanks Carl & Ashley for your replies. Warm regards Patrick > On 4 May 2014, at 8:37, Carl Froehlich wrote: > > This is what I'm using. It works. I collect the oil - not return it to the engine. I empty out a couple of ounces each oil change. > > Carl > > > >> On May 3, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote: >> >> >> Could other builders please indicate if you've gone to the effort of installing an air/oil separator on your IO-540 engines? >> >> If so what is the recommended type and location of same in the engine compartment please? >> >> Any pictures of installations would be greatly appreciated too please. >> >> Warm regards and wishing you all safe skies. >> >> Patrick Pulis >> Adelaide, South Australia > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > >

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Subject: One more port than I know what to do with...
From: Ted Lockard <tlockardjr(at)msn.com>
Date: May 04, 2014
My YIO-540 came from Lycoming with an angled port in that same position and there was no documentation of what to put there in the plans. After much discussion with Lycoming and Vans it was decided it was an incorrect part that should be a flat hexagonal plug with no port, and Vans sent me a replacement part to put there. My oil temp probe went further back, in front of the oil filter. Ted Lockard Sent from my iPad On May 4, 2014, at 2:03 AM, RV10-List Digest Server wrote: > RV10-List: One more port than I know what to do with... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 Air Oil Separator Installation
From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: May 05, 2014
You might want to check out this thread on VAF that I started on Air oil sep and oil consumption http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=92980. I have the Anti-splat A/O sep and am very happy with the results. If you mount it on the firewall, be sure to pick up either the cross brace, or support it in more than the two mounting tabs provided. The SS firewall is not thick enough to support the weight of the Separator on it's own. Here is another couple of threads on the subject of installation http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=42386&highlight=air+oil+seperator, and a photo of my installation. -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422819#422819 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2864_154.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 Air Oil Separator Installation
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: May 06, 2014
Bill Did you also install the 'Anti-Splat' vacuum valve and exhaust port drain tube? Warm regards Patrick > On 5 May 2014, at 22:13, "bill.peyton" wrote: > > > You might want to check out this thread on VAF that I started on Air oil sep and oil consumption http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=92980. I have the Anti-splat A/O sep and am very happy with the results. If you mount it on the firewall, be sure to pick up either the cross brace, or support it in more than the two mounting tabs provided. The SS firewall is not thick enough to support the weight of the Separator on it's own. Here is another couple of threads on the subject of installation http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=42386&highlight=air+oil+seperator, and a photo of my installation. > > -------- > Bill > WA0SYV > Aviation Partners, LLC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422819#422819 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2864_154.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 Air Oil Separator Installation
From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: May 06, 2014
Yes, I installed the NAPA valve in the exhaust . -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422880#422880 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pireps on KFFA, KMQI and W95.
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 06, 2014
Thank you Carl. -------- Wayne G. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422940#422940 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Dynon Heated Pitot Tube
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 07, 2014
Dynon has issued a service bulletin for the above referenced pitot tube. See their web site. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422943#422943 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2014
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Dynon Heated Pitot Tube
http://dynonavionics.com/docs/support_bulletin_050614.html water accumulation due to draining issue affecting correct airspeed indication in certain circumstances. SB operating instruction should be watched. Cheers Werner On 07.05.2014 09:17, Bob Turner wrote: > > Dynon has issued a service bulletin for the above referenced pitot tube. See their web site. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: One more port than I know what to do with...
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Date: May 07, 2014
... you are correct sir! Here's the note I just got back from Vans: "Well, this has lead us on a merry search. It turns out that Lycoming shipped us a few IO- 540s with this male fitting installed. SIX YEARS ago. We don't know why, and it was only a few engines we received in 2008. However....Gus remembered this (I have no idea how) and found a plug in his drawer that you can install. I'm sending it to you tomorrow morning." On May 4, 2014, at 6:51 AM, Ted Lockard wrote: > > My YIO-540 came from Lycoming with an angled port in that same position and there was no documentation of what to put there in the plans. After much discussion with Lycoming and Vans it was decided it was an incorrect part that should be a flat hexagonal plug with no port, and Vans sent me a replacement part to put there. My oil temp probe went further back, in front of the oil filter. > > Ted Lockard > > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 4, 2014, at 2:03 AM, RV10-List Digest Server wrote: > >> RV10-List: One more port than I know what to do with... > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: california sales tax
From: pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com>
Date: May 07, 2014
Anyone have personal experience paying sales tax for an aircraft they perso naly built in California? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: california sales tax
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 07, 2014
As I purchased the sub kits I reported them, and paid sales tax, on that year's CA-540 income tax form. When I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair for property tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I referred him to the various years' 540's; I have never heard anything more about it. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2014
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: california sales tax
Couple of hints for you new builders in tax and spend states:=0AReserve you r N number using an address in a more tax friendly state.- This is how th ey find out you have, or are building an airplane.- From that day forward they'll hound you wanting the taxes even before the plane is done.=0ADon't call your plane an RV10, call it a some other name, like Turner Special, D eem's Special, or Saint Aircoupe.- Then they have no idea what to tax you because they'll think it's a one of a kind.... and they'll have to use the numbers you give them.- Otherwise, Calif will bill you between $1,500 an d $2,500 a year for personal property taxes.- If you fly 75 hours a year, that's $20 to $33 an hour just for the Calif tax.- Their thought process is that if you have a plane, you must be rich, so you can afford to pop fo r the tax.=0A=0AThere are lot's of states out there with a much more tax fr iendly approach to aircraft. I moved from Calif to Texas for just that purp ose.... our tax is ZERO.- I think Idaho is $200 a year for any type aircr aft. =0A=0AAlso, in case you haven't noticed, the further south you go from Texas to Florida will be just about the only fuel you'll find in the $4 ra nge.- Our fuel is currently $4.40.- 0TX1.=0A=0ADon McDonald=0A#40636- 650 hours, and enjoying every minute of it.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________ ________________=0A From: Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>=0ATo: rv10-li st(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:45 AM=0ASubject: RV10-Li Turner" =0A=0AAs I purchased the sub kits I report ed them, and paid sales tax, on that year's CA-540 income tax form.=0AWhen I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair for property tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I referred him to the var ious years' 540's; I have never heard anything more about it.=0A=0A-------- =0ABob Turner=0ARV-10 QB=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Aht tp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =============== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com>
Subject: Re: california sales tax
Date: May 08, 2014
Like Bob, I paid as the kits arrived, except I filled out forms versus adding it to my tax forms. When it was all done I called the Board of Taxation and discussed my file and advised the plane was completed. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Turner Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 10:45 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: california sales tax As I purchased the sub kits I reported them, and paid sales tax, on that year's CA-540 income tax form. When I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair for property tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I referred him to the various years' 540's; I have never heard anything more about it. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Re: california sales tax
Date: May 08, 2014
Ohio is similar, but not as painful as CA. Once you register the N#, you have to pay the $15/seat annual tax even if they aircraft is not airworthy. It took awhile for them to track me down, but they did. Fortunately, they didn't ask for retroactive taxes from registration date. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: california sales tax
Excellent advice. One other thought is to do the 'Delaware Corp LLC' thingy and let the corp own the aircraft. PITA but it may shield you from some liability exposure also. Linn On 5/8/2014 9:25 AM, Don McDonald wroteC > Couple of hints for you new builders in tax and spend states: > Reserve your N number using an address in a more tax friendly state. > This is how they find out you have, or are building an airplane. > >From that day forward they'll hound you wanting the taxes even before > the plane is done. > Don't call your plane an RV10, call it a some other name, like Turner > Special, Deem's Special, or Saint Aircoupe. Then they have no idea > what to tax you because they'll think it's a one of a kind.... and > they'll have to use the numbers you give them. Otherwise, Calif will > bill you between $1,500 and $2,500 a year for personal property > taxes. If you fly 75 hours a year, that's $20 to $33 an hour just for > the Calif tax. Their thought process is that if you have a plane, you > must be rich, so you can afford to pop for the tax. > > There are lot's of states out there with a much more tax friendly > approach to aircraft. I moved from Calif to Texas for just that > purpose.... our tax is ZERO. I think Idaho is $200 a year for any > type aircraft. > > Also, in case you haven't noticed, the further south you go from Texas > to Florida will be just about the only fuel you'll find in the $4 > range. Our fuel is currently $4.40. 0TX1. > > Don McDonald > #40636 650 hours, and enjoying every minute of it. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Turner > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:45 AM > *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: california sales tax > > > > > As I purchased the sub kits I reported them, and paid sales tax, on > that year's CA-540 income tax form. > When I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair > for property tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I > referred him to the various years' 540's; I have never heard anything > more about it. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986>a > href="http://forums.matronics.com/" = --> > > > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: california sales tax
I am told that some states tax the aircraft where it is parked and an out-of-state LLC may be more trouble than not having one, especially with regard to CA. On 5/8/2014 7:41 AM, Linn Walters wrote: > Excellent advice. One other thought is to do the 'Delaware Corp LLC' > thingy and let the corp own the aircraft. PITA but it may shield you > from some liability exposure also. > Linn > > On 5/8/2014 9:25 AM, Don McDonald wroteC >> Couple of hints for you new builders in tax and spend states: >> Reserve your N number using an address in a more tax friendly state. >> This is how they find out you have, or are building an airplane. >> >From that day forward they'll hound you wanting the taxes even >> before the plane is done. >> Don't call your plane an RV10, call it a some other name, like Turner >> Special, Deem's Special, or Saint Aircoupe. Then they have no idea >> what to tax you because they'll think it's a one of a kind.... and >> they'll have to use the numbers you give them. Otherwise, Calif will >> bill you between $1,500 and $2,500 a year for personal property >> taxes. If you fly 75 hours a year, that's $20 to $33 an hour just >> for the Calif tax. Their thought process is that if you have a >> plane, you must be rich, so you can afford to pop for the tax. >> >> There are lot's of states out there with a much more tax friendly >> approach to aircraft. I moved from Calif to Texas for just that >> purpose.... our tax is ZERO. I think Idaho is $200 a year for any >> type aircraft. >> >> Also, in case you haven't noticed, the further south you go from >> Texas to Florida will be just about the only fuel you'll find in the >> $4 range. Our fuel is currently $4.40. 0TX1. >> >> Don McDonald >> #40636 650 hours, and enjoying every minute of it. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Bob Turner >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:45 AM >> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: california sales tax >> >> > >> >> As I purchased the sub kits I reported them, and paid sales tax, on >> that year's CA-540 income tax form. >> When I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair >> for property tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I >> referred him to the various years' 540's; I have never heard anything >> more about it. >> >> -------- >> Bob Turner >> RV-10 QB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986>a >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/" = --> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> * >> >> >> * <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com> >> 05/08/14 >> > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2014
From: David Clifford <davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: california sales tax
The State of Michigan never bothered me until the plane was issued its airworthiness certificate. I never claimed any kit purchases when I purchased them. The State sent me a couple forms to fill out about a month after the cert was issued and I filled them out, made copies of all my receipts, and sent it all back in a big envelope with a fat check for the out of state non-taxed purchases. IIRC, The State charges around $18 yearly for the registration fee. We get a nice State of Michigan sectional and a spiral bound Airport Facilities Directory in return. I can't complain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym(at)aviating.com> Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:49:05 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: california sales tax I am told that some states tax the aircraft where it is parked and an out-of-state LLC may be more trouble than not having one, especially with regard to CA. On 5/8/2014 7:41 AM, Linn Walters wrote: > Excellent advice. One other thought is to do the 'Delaware Corp LLC' > thingy and let the corp own the aircraft. PITA but it may shield you > from some liability exposure also. > Linn > > On 5/8/2014 9:25 AM, Don McDonald wroteC >> Couple of hints for you new builders in tax and spend states: >> Reserve your N number using an address in a more tax friendly state. >> This is how they find out you have, or are building an airplane. >> >From that day forward they'll hound you wanting the taxes even >> before the plane is done. >> Don't call your plane an RV10, call it a some other name, like Turner >> Special, Deem's Special, or Saint Aircoupe. Then they have no idea >> what to tax you because they'll think it's a one of a kind.... and >> they'll have to use the numbers you give them. Otherwise, Calif will >> bill you between $1,500 and $2,500 a year for personal property >> taxes. If you fly 75 hours a year, that's $20 to $33 an hour just >> for the Calif tax. Their thought process is that if you have a >> plane, you must be rich, so you can afford to pop for the tax. >> >> There are lot's of states out there with a much more tax friendly >> approach to aircraft. I moved from Calif to Texas for just that >> purpose.... our tax is ZERO. I think Idaho is $200 a year for any >> type aircraft. >> >> Also, in case you haven't noticed, the further south you go from >> Texas to Florida will be just about the only fuel you'll find in the >> $4 range. Our fuel is currently $4.40. 0TX1. >> >> Don McDonald >> #40636 650 hours, and enjoying every minute of it. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Bob Turner >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:45 AM >> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: california sales tax >> >> > >> >> As I purchased the sub kits I reported them, and paid sales tax, on >> that year's CA-540 income tax form. >> When I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair >> for property tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I >> referred him to the various years' 540's; I have never heard anything >> more about it. >> >> -------- >> Bob Turner >> RV-10 QB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986>a >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/" = --> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> * >> >> >> * <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com> >> 05/08/14 >> > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: california sales tax
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 08, 2014
CA did not bother me when I had a reserved N number. Once I registered the plane, they sent an inquiry: I replied that, without an A/W certificate, I did not own an airplane, just airplane parts. They accepted that. CA does not care where it's registered. They routinely have airports send them lists of N numbers of hangar and tie down occupiers, and the state sends them a bill unless you can show you're transient. If they do not know the type, they WILL send someone out to see it, and demand to see all the invoices, including your insurance. So unless you choose to under-insure, they will find out. I don't like to pay taxes anymore than anyone else, but since they tax cars and boats too it's hard to feel singled out. And in the big picture, the property taxes on cars, airplanes, hangar is cancelled out by the decrease (in inflation adjusted dollars) I see every year on our house's property tax, thanks to CA's prop 13. It's a crazy way to run a state, but this leads to political comments which I try to leave to other forums. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423018#423018 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: california sales tax
I agree with most of info. However, what is state inspector going to do when you tell him you didn't keep invoices and are not insuring the plane because insurance is too expensive? If you registered it as a Bob-10, how are they going to come up with a valuation? Fortunately, AZ did away with personal property tax on experimental aircraft, probably because of the difficulty establishing value. But they still nab sales tax and a yearly registration fee. On 5/8/2014 11:42 AM, Bob Turner wrote: > > > If they do not know the type, they WILL send someone out to see it, and demand to see all the invoices, including your insurance. So unless you choose to under-insure, they will find out. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: california sales tax
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 08, 2014
My experience is that if they do not know, they will guess high, leave it to you to prove them wrong. You can always go to court. I think mine is over appraised by about $10K. For the $100 extra tax it isn't worth the hassle to appeal. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423027#423027 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Gap at the cabin door hinges
From: "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net>
Date: May 08, 2014
I'm looking for a solution to the open space at the cabin door hinges. Using the McMaster bulb weather stripping on the cabin top door jamb (not on door per Vans). I thought of filling with a piece of foam and glassing over but then no access to the nuts/screws and some concern re moisture trapping and corrosion. Ideas? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423039#423039 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Gap at the cabin door hinges
Date: May 09, 2014
I built covers out of the extra material cut out of the window area. They fit flush and seal off the gap. These make a huge difference in noise and air coming in or out compared to the stock seal. I riveted 10/32 nutplates on the hinge so I wouldn't have to hold the nuts with an open end wrench. The PlaneAround strut attachment has a little geometry change which holds the joint away from the hinge covers. The stock attachment will push into the cover unless you make an indent. -----Original Message----- From: bob88 Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Gap at the cabin door hinges I'm looking for a solution to the open space at the cabin door hinges. Using the McMaster bulb weather stripping on the cabin top door jamb (not on door per Vans). I thought of filling with a piece of foam and glassing over but then no access to the nuts/screws and some concern re moisture trapping and corrosion. Ideas? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423039#423039 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2014
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Gap at the cabin door hinges
Sean, do you have a picture please? Thanks Werner On 09.05.2014 10:23, Seano wrote: > > I built covers out of the extra material cut out of the window area. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2014
From: David Clifford <davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Gap at the cabin door hinges
I made a temporary form where the seal bridged the recess out of scrap aluminum, aluminum foil tape, and clay. Sanded the recess first, installed the form, waxed the form, filled with a stiff epoxy/micro/flox mix, and fulled the form off when cured. Looks good and seals perfectly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net> Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 12:31:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Gap at the cabin door hinges I'm looking for a solution to the open space at the cabin door hinges. Using the McMaster bulb weather stripping on the cabin top door jamb (not on door per Vans). I thought of filling with a piece of foam and glassing over but then no access to the nuts/screws and some concern re moisture trapping and corrosion. Ideas? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423039#423039 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Gap at the cabin door hinges
Date: May 09, 2014
This is what I did. It provides a good seal. I had some rigid foam laying around to shape and fill in the hinge void, then the simple McMaster self adhesive seal goes on top. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gap at the cabin door hinges I built covers out of the extra material cut out of the window area. They fit flush and seal off the gap. These make a huge difference in noise and air coming in or out compared to the stock seal. I riveted 10/32 nutplates on the hinge so I wouldn't have to hold the nuts with an open end wrench. The PlaneAround strut attachment has a little geometry change which holds the joint away from the hinge covers. The stock attachment will push into the cover unless you make an indent. -----Original Message----- From: bob88 Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Gap at the cabin door hinges I'm looking for a solution to the open space at the cabin door hinges. Using the McMaster bulb weather stripping on the cabin top door jamb (not on door per Vans). I thought of filling with a piece of foam and glassing over but then no access to the nuts/screws and some concern re moisture trapping and corrosion. Ideas? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423039#423039 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Gap at the cabin door hinges
Date: May 09, 2014
-----Original Message----- From: Werner Schneider Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 5:51 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gap at the cabin door hinges Sean, do you have a picture please? Thanks Werner On 09.05.2014 10:23, Seano wrote: > > I built covers out of the extra material cut out of the window area. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gap at the cabin door hinges
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 09, 2014
I hand fit four .032" plates, prosealed them in, painted with inside of doors. Hardware still accessible and water/air-tight. -------- Wayne G. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423054#423054 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2014
Subject: Re: Gap at the cabin door hinges
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
The aluminum plates is what I have been planning on doing too. Basically going to use an adhesive to put them in place and then paint to match the interior of the door. They should disappear and then I can still yank them off at a future date if I ever need to get to those areas. On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:57 AM, rv10flyer wrote: > > I hand fit four .032" plates, prosealed them in, painted with inside of > doors. Hardware still accessible and water/air-tight. > > -------- > Wayne G. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423054#423054 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: HID landing lights
Date: May 09, 2014
Got the lights yesterday afternoon, thanks. You should have the payment today or tomorrow. Albert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com>
Subject: Re: Gap at the cabin door hinges
Date: May 09, 2014
I created plates, or was it Don?? anyhow, I have 2 screws I attach it to the hinges, easier to remove, not that I ever needed to. I did not do the glue for 1) fear it would not stick and fly off one day 2) probably ruin the cover in the process of removing if it held it in place so well, in either case I would need to get new covers if I ever needed to remove for any reason. From: Phillip Perry Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Gap at the cabin door hinges The aluminum plates is what I have been planning on doing too. Basically going to use an adhesive to put them in place and then paint to match the interior of the door. They should disappear and then I can still yank them off at a future date if I ever need to get to those areas. On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:57 AM, rv10flyer wrote: I hand fit four .032" plates, prosealed them in, painted with inside of doors. Hardware still accessible and water/air-tight. -------- Wayne G. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423054#423054 ========== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== MS - k">http://forums.matronics.com ========== e - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HID landing lights
From: John Miller <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Date: May 09, 2014
Thx! Sent from my iPad > On May 9, 2014, at 10:02 AM, "Albert Gardner" wrote: > > > Got the lights yesterday afternoon, thanks. You should have the payment > today or tomorrow. > Albert > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Airflow Performance install
From: "rvdave" <rv610dave(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 09, 2014
Wondering if anyone has photos of the AP throttle body and red cube install--and also how throttle and mixture cables are mounted? Would be greatly appreciated. -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423088#423088 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance install
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: May 09, 2014
I should have some on my build site. Mykitlog.com/rleffler Although, my throttle body is horizontal, which is atypical of most RV-10 installations. Sent from my iPad > On May 9, 2014, at 4:30 PM, "rvdave" wrote: > > > Wondering if anyone has photos of the AP throttle body and red cube install--and also how throttle and mixture cables are mounted? Would be greatly appreciated. > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423088#423088 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Dogwood Airpark (VA42) house and hangar for sale
Date: May 10, 2014
Forwarded in case anyone is looking for an airpark home where you can do commuter train to DC. This house is across the street from me. http://beechcraftva42.blogspot.com/ Carl ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gap at the cabin door hinges
From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: May 10, 2014
I used a scrap piece of the window cutout FG to create a small piece to fit over the gap. I glued it in place with resin and micro. Did the body work on the outside with resin stranded body filler. -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423122#423122 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1324_616.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gap at the cabin door hingesGap at the cabin door hinges
From: Terry Moushon <tmoushon(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 10, 2014
A friend of mine TIG welded some 3/4x.063 and I cut to length and added a nu tplate and JB Welded each to the angle. I then made cover plates and finally slotted them for the hinge. Plenty of room to access all parts. Terry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance install
From: "rvdave" <rv610dave(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 10, 2014
Yes I do have the vertical induction. -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423133#423133 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance install
From: Tcwtech <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Date: May 10, 2014
Make sure you read the posting I did on vansairforce on the subject of the AFP fuel injection system, vertical install. Please secure the filtered airbox in done manner beyond the aluminum clamp doughnut. >From google or on vansairforce search the following: "Engine out over Kocf" It will take you right to the thread. Bob Newman N541RV Sent from my iPhone > On May 10, 2014, at 7:05 PM, "rvdave" wrote: > > > Yes I do have the vertical induction. > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423133#423133 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N24EV flew today KFFZ
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)AOL.COM>
Date: May 10, 2014
(http://s125.photobucket.com/user/myronnelson/media/ev1_zps23cb74c3.jpg.html) (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/myronnelson/media/photo_zpsbdae493a.jpg.html) -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423137#423137 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: May 11, 2014
Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow Performance pur ge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: 1. the approximate length of the cable used; 2. the supplier of the cable; and 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the cable to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as the A-750 VERNIER C ONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ appages/a750.php Please let me know if this is suitable? Warm regards Patrick Pulis Adelaide, South Australia RV-10 Serial No. 40299 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2014
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
From: "Andrew Long" <along(at)aanet.com.au>
Hi Patrick, Yes, I have the purge valve. Not flying yet.... about 4 weeks away, however, check out my web site and give me a call or drop me an email to discuss. -- Regards, Andrew Long www.ozrv10.com > Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow Performance > purge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: > > 1. the approximate length of the cable used; > > 2. the supplier of the cable; and > > 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the cable > to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as the A-750 > VERNIER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/a750.php > > Please let me know if this is suitable? > > Warm regards > > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > > RV-10 Serial No. 40299 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
Date: May 11, 2014
I'm using just a regular cable like you can buy from an auto parts store. I will eventually change it out to a locking type cable. Vernier is really n ot necessary but locking is because the vibrations cause the cable to pull out and eventually shut down the engine if you don't keep pushing the knob in. Subject: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 From: rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au Date: Sun=2C 11 May 2014 21:20:40 +0930 Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow Performance pu rge valve to their RV-10=2C who could please indicate: 1. the approximate length of the cable used=3B 2. the supplier of the cable=3B and 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the cable t o prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight=2C such as the A-750 VERNI ER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/cat alog/appages/a750.php Please let me know if this is suitable? Warm regards Patrick PulisAdelaide=2C South Australia RV-10 Serial No. 40299 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
From: Dick Sipp <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Date: May 11, 2014
I put spring on the purge valve to hold it open in the event the control cab le failed. Dick Sipp 550hours Sent from my iPad > On May 11, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Danny Riggs wrote: > > I'm using just a regular cable like you can buy from an auto parts store. I will eventually change it out to a locking type cable. Vernier is really no t necessary but locking is because the vibrations cause the cable to pull ou t and eventually shut down the engine if you don't keep pushing the knob in. > > Subject: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 > From: rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au > Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 21:20:40 +0930 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow Performance p urge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: > > 1. the approximate length of the cable used; > > 2. the supplier of the cable; and > > 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the cable t o prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as the A-750 VERNIER C ONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ appages/a750.php > > Please let me know if this is suitable? > > Warm regards > > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > > RV-10 Serial No. 40299 > > > ist" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ank>http://forums.matronics.com > rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: May 11, 2014
1. Depends, too many variables for a standard length cable. For example, w here are you mounting the control, where does it penetrate the firewall. I have an Aerosport Products panel and have mine mounted on the lower console by my right knee. Then it goes through the firewall in the recess area wit h all the throttle quadrant controls, then penetrates the baffle between the oil cooler scant tube and the center of the engine block. Then it crosses t he engine block to the purge valve. I suspect no two installations are the same. You may have to adjust clocking depending on your exact route of th e cable. I used weed whacker line to determine the length that I needed. 2/3. I used this McFarlene control cable. I wanted a locking control. Y ou don't want the cable moving in flight. (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/ca talog/appages/controlsMC6150a.php). I ordered the cable directly from McFarl ene. It was about the same price price as ACS, but they will do custom eng raving. Bob Sent from my iPad > On May 11, 2014, at 7:50 AM, Patrick Pulis wro te: > > Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow Performance p urge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: > > 1. the approximate length of the cable used; > > 2. the supplier of the cable; and > > 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the cable t o prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as the A-750 VERNIER C ONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ appages/a750.php > > Please let me know if this is suitable? > > Warm regards > > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > > RV-10 Serial No. 40299 > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2014
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
Just an FYI.... I may be totally off base here.... but for a lot of things I believe in the KISS principal.- I did not install the purge valve becau se several RV guys I talked to had installed it but never needed to use it, and I have never had any problems starting my engine,,,, hot or cold.=0ASo if anybody needs a valve, got one here really cheap.=0ADon McDonald=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@m sn.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:04 AM =0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 =0A =0A=0A=0A =0AI'm using just a regular cable like you can buy from an au to parts store. I will eventually change it out to a locking type cable. Ve rnier is really not necessary but locking is because the vibrations cause t he cable to pull out and eventually shut down the engine if you don't keep pushing the knob in.=0A=0A________________________________=0ASubject: RV10- List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10=0AFrom: rv10free2fly@ yahoo.com.au=0ADate: Sun, 11 May 2014 21:20:40 +0930=0ATo: rv10-list@matron ics.com=0A=0A=0AAre there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflo w Performance purge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate:=0A=0A1 . -the approximate length of the cable used;=0A=0A2. -the supplier of t he cable; and=0A=0A3. -if they used a cable with some form of locking mec hanism on the cable to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as the-A-750 VERNIER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce:-http://www .aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/a750.php=0A=0APlease let me know if thi s is suitable?=0A=0AWarm regards=0A=0APatrick Pulis=0AAdelaide, South Austr alia=0A=0ARV-10 Serial No. 40299=0Aist" target=_blank>http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0Aank>http://forums.matronics.com=0Arget=_blank ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
Date: May 11, 2014
I did the same on the 8A. The purge valve itself has a spring but I added another to make sure. Photo attached. As someone else has pointed out you can easily get by without a purge valve. In 11 years I used this perhaps half a dozen times for hot day, hot start situation. It does work. The return is plumbed to the left tank so when purging you select the left tank for fuel. The purge valve is also used for each engine shutdown. This ports the pressurized fuel in the spider to the tank to reduce the amount left to gravity drain. Standard cables like these work well: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/categories/aircraft_parts/ap/menus/ap/controls _00carb.html Or: http://vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1399824452-324-42 <http://vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1399824452-324-42&browse=co ntrols&product=bowden> &browse=controls&product=bowden On the photo note that this was the first two years or so of flying - before the multiple hard LightSpeed ignition failures. The LightSpeeds are long gone and the plane is doing just fine at 400 hours on dual p-Mags. I'm still holding my breath (like many) for Brad to ship the 6 cylinder p-Mags for the RV-10. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Sipp Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 I put spring on the purge valve to hold it open in the event the control cable failed. Dick Sipp 550hours Sent from my iPad On May 11, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Danny Riggs wrote: I'm using just a regular cable like you can buy from an auto parts store. I will eventually change it out to a locking type cable. Vernier is really not necessary but locking is because the vibrations cause the cable to pull out and eventually shut down the engine if you don't keep pushing the knob in. _____ Subject: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 From: rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 21:20:40 +0930 Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow Performance purge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: 1. the approximate length of the cable used; 2. the supplier of the cable; and 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the cable to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as the A-750 VERNIER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/a750.php Please let me know if this is suitable? Warm regards Patrick Pulis Adelaide, South Australia RV-10 Serial No. 40299 ist" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ank>http://forums.matronics.com rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution D======================== =================== List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List D======================== =================== //forums.matronics.com D======================== =================== ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution D======================== =================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: May 11, 2014
I started out with the same setup that Carl shows in his photo i.e. simple wire push-pull cable and B nut, plus return spring. In talking with Don Rivera at Airflow Performance, he made it clear he was not a fan of that arrangement, since failure has the potential to shut down the engine. He prefers a more robust push-pull cable with threaded ends and a clevis fitting in place of the B nut. Jim Berry RV-10 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423189#423189 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JimVillani" <Jim(at)JimVillani.com>
Subject: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
Date: May 11, 2014
Don, I am having a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a Hot Start, no problem when it is cold. What is your secret? Please advise.. Jim Villani Kit# 41084 Jim(at)JimVillani.com From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 Just an FYI.... I may be totally off base here.... but for a lot of things I believe in the KISS principal. I did not install the purge valve because several RV guys I talked to had installed it but never needed to use it, and I have never had any problems starting my engine,,,, hot or cold. So if anybody needs a valve, got one here really cheap. Don McDonald _____ From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com <mailto:jdriggs49(at)msn.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:04 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 I'm using just a regular cable like you can buy from an auto parts store. I will eventually change it out to a locking type cable. Vernier is really not necessary but locking is because the vibrations cause the cable to pull out and eventually shut down the engine if you don't keep pushing the knob in. _____ Subject: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 From: rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au <mailto:rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 21:20:40 +0930 Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow Performance purge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: 1. the approximate length of the cable used; 2. the supplier of the cable; and 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the cable to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as the A-750 VERNIER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/a750.php Please let me know if this is suitable? Warm regards Patrick Pulis Adelaide, South Australia RV-10 Serial No. 40299 ist" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ank>http://forums.matronics.com rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matrolow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.= --> <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3 cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e% 3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000> <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3 cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e% 3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000> <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3 cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e% 3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000> <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3 cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e% 3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000> - The RV10-List Email Forum - <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3 cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e% 3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000> <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3 cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e% 3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000> <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3 cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e% 3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000> & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3 cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e% 3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000> <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3 cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e% 3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000> <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3 cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e% 3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
If it is anything like the IO-360 Lycoming I have in my Mooney, the trick is to bring engine to 1000 rpm for shutdown and pull mixture. Then, for startup, don't touch anything, do not use boost pump. Just crank. If it doesn't fire within about 6 revolutions, begin to slowly ease the mixture in and it will fire somewhere around 50% mixture. Don't crank beyond 10 seconds. If it doesn't fire, stop cranking. Reasses. Add a hair to throttle and try again with mixture at cutoff through 5-6 revolutions then begin adding mixture. Last resort, prime it like cold start to flood it, go full throttle, lock brakes and mixture idel cutoff. Crank til fires and immediately reduce throttle while adding mixture. On 5/11/2014 11:16 AM, JimVillani wrote: > > Don, > > I am having a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a Hot Start, no > problem when it is cold. > > What is your secret? > > Please advise.. > > *Jim Villani* > > Kit# 41084 > > Jim(at)JimVillani.com > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don McDonald > *Sent:* Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:53 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 > > Just an FYI.... I may be totally off base here.... but for a lot of > things I believe in the KISS principal. I did not install the purge > valve because several RV guys I talked to had installed it but never > needed to use it, and I have never had any problems starting my > engine,,,, hot or cold. > > So if anybody needs a valve, got one here really cheap. > > Don McDonald > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Danny Riggs > > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:04 AM > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 > > I'm using just a regular cable like you can buy from an auto parts > store. I will eventually change it out to a locking type cable. > Vernier is really not necessary but locking is because the vibrations > cause the cable to pull out and eventually shut down the engine if you > don't keep pushing the knob in. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 > From: rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au <mailto:rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au> > Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 21:20:40 +0930 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow > Performance purge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: > > 1. the approximate length of the cable used; > > 2. the supplier of the cable; and > > 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the > cable to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as > the A-750 VERNIER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/a750.php > > Please let me know if this is suitable? > > Warm regards > > Patrick Pulis > > Adelaide, South Australia > > RV-10 Serial No. 40299 > > * * > * * > *ist" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > *ank>http://forums.matronics.com* > *rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > *http://www.matrolow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.= --> * > * <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e%3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000>* > * <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e%3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000>*http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ****** > ****** > ****** > ****** > ****http://forums.matronics.com**** > ******** > ****** > ****** > ****** > ***http://www.matronics.com/contribution*** > ****** > *** *** > ** > * > > > * > ** ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2014
From: David Clifford <davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
I was taught the same procedure Kelly describes and it has worked flawlessly on my IO-540 RV-10. A friend of mine also does the same with his IO-360 Cozy MKIV and has almost 400 hours doing hot starts this way When I did my RV-10 transition training in TX with Alex, he did hot starts using boost pump to flood engine, full throttle and idle mixture cut-off, rapidly pulling throttle and pushing in mixture when engine fires. I don't care for that method. Only 23 hours so far but plenty of hot starts for me and she always fires up very smoothly by the third blade. So far I have not even considered installing a purge valve. It adds expense, time to install, weight, and complexity. David Clifford RV-10 N959RV: Phase 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym(at)aviating.com> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 3:57:43 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 If it is anything like the IO-360 Lycoming I have in my Mooney, the trick is to bring engine to 1000 rpm for shutdown and pull mixture. Then, for startup, don't touch anything, do not use boost pump. Just crank. If it doesn't fire within about 6 revolutions, begin to slowly ease the mixture in and it will fire somewhere around 50% mixture. Don't crank beyond 10 seconds. If it doesn't fire, stop cranking. Reasses. Add a hair to throttle and try again with mixture at cutoff through 5-6 revolutions then begin adding mixture. Last resort, prime it like cold start to flood it, go full throttle, lock brakes and mixture idel cutoff. Crank til fires and immediately reduce throttle while adding mixture. On 5/11/2014 11:16 AM, JimVillani wrote: > > Don, > > I am having a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a Hot Start, no > problem when it is cold. > > What is your secret? > > Please advise.. > > *Jim Villani* > > Kit# 41084 > > Jim(at)JimVillani.com > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don McDonald > *Sent:* Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:53 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 > > Just an FYI.... I may be totally off base here.... but for a lot of > things I believe in the KISS principal. I did not install the purge > valve because several RV guys I talked to had installed it but never > needed to use it, and I have never had any problems starting my > engine,,,, hot or cold. > > So if anybody needs a valve, got one here really cheap. > > Don McDonald > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Danny Riggs > > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:04 AM > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 > > I'm using just a regular cable like you can buy from an auto parts > store. I will eventually change it out to a locking type cable. > Vernier is really not necessary but locking is because the vibrations > cause the cable to pull out and eventually shut down the engine if you > don't keep pushing the knob in. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 > From: rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au <mailto:rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au> > Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 21:20:40 +0930 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow > Performance purge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: > > 1. the approximate length of the cable used; > > 2. the supplier of the cable; and > > 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the > cable to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as > the A-750 VERNIER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/a750.php > > Please let me know if this is suitable? > > Warm regards > > Patrick Pulis > > Adelaide, South Australia > > RV-10 Serial No. 40299 > > * * > * * > *ist" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > *ank>http://forums.matronics.com* > *rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > *http://www.matrolow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.= --> * > * <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e%3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000>* > * <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e%3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000>*http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ****** > ****** > ****** > ****** > ****http://forums.matronics.com**** > ******** > ****** > ****** > ****** > ***http://www.matronics.com/contribution*** > ****** > *** *** > ** > * > > > * > ** ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Wilson <bob(at)rjw.cc>
Subject: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
Date: May 11, 2014
Don - The basic problem with hot starts is the vaporization of fuel in the lines to and from the spider or distribution block. I have not had experie nce with the IO-540 but the same problem existed in the IO-470's of which I had two in a Cessna 310. In that case it was mixture at idle cut off thro ttle at mid-point and hit the primer (the boost pump with a momentary switc h) for about 10 seconds. The fuel would circulate and eliminate the vapor. With the mixture at ICO and the throttle cracked hit the starter and when it fired mixture rich. Having one hand on the starter and the other on the mixture was a good idea. But the basic problem is the vaporization of fuel in the lines due to the h eat of the engine. A method to do that without flooding the engine and you r good to go. If it makes you feel any better it is not an uncommon proble m with all fuel injected engines but it's more prevalent in the bigger one (6 cylinder). Bob Wilson From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of JimVillani Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:16 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 Don, I am having a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a Hot Start, no problem w hen it is cold. What is your secret? Please advise.. Jim Villani Kit# 41084 Jim(at)JimVillani.com From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 Just an FYI.... I may be totally off base here.... but for a lot of things I believe in the KISS principal. I did not install the purge valve because several RV guys I talked to had installed it but never needed to use it, a nd I have never had any problems starting my engine,,,, hot or cold. So if anybody needs a valve, got one here really cheap. Don McDonald ________________________________ From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com<mailto:jdriggs49(at)msn.com>> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:04 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 I'm using just a regular cable like you can buy from an auto parts store. I will eventually change it out to a locking type cable. Vernier is really n ot necessary but locking is because the vibrations cause the cable to pull out and eventually shut down the engine if you don't keep pushing the knob in. ________________________________ Subject: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 From: rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au<mailto:rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 21:20:40 +0930 Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow Performance pu rge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: 1. the approximate length of the cable used; 2. the supplier of the cable; and 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the cable t o prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as the A-750 VERNIER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal og/appages/a750.php Please let me know if this is suitable? Warm regards Patrick Pulis Adelaide, South Australia RV-10 Serial No. 40299 ist" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ank>http://forums.matronics.com rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matrolow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/ ">http://forums.= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2014
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
Jim, there are quite a few different techniques, but here's what works for me.- Cold start;- crack throttle, mixture 1/2, hit boost pump for about 3 seconds, then start.... since I have a light MT prop and an engine with higher compression, and the ability to leave ignition off when I start cran king the engine....then after a couple of turns, I turn on the ignition... totally eliminates any kickback or backfire. =0A=0A=0AHot start;- very si miliar, except after hitting the boost pump for it's 3 seconds, I pull the mixture back to cuttoff, then hit the starter.... when it catches, ease the mixture back to 1/2.=0A=0AIf you find that it catches and then dies, try u sing the boost pump slightly longer.=0A=0ADon=0ALet me know how it works. =0ABTW, what procedure are you currently using?=0A=0A=0A___________________ _____________=0A From: JimVillani <Jim(at)jimvillani.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matr onics.com =0ASent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:16 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: A irflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10=0A =0A=0A=0ADon,=0AI am havi ng a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a Hot Start, no problem when it is cold.=0AWhat is your secret?=0APlease advise..=0A-=0AJim Villani=0AKit# 41084=0AJim(at)JimVillani.com =0A-=0A-=0AFrom:owner-rv10-list-server@matro nics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McD onald=0ASent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:53 AM=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0A Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10=0A -=0AJust an FYI.... I may be totally off base here.... but for a lot of t hings I believe in the KISS principal.- I did not install the purge valve because several RV guys I talked to had installed it but never needed to u se it, and I have never had any problems starting my engine,,,, hot or cold .=0ASo if anybody needs a valve, got one here really cheap.=0ADon McDonald =0A-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom:Danny Riggs =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:0 4 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV -10=0A-=0AI'm using just a regular cable like you can buy from an auto pa rts store. I will eventually change it out to a locking type cable. Vernier is really not necessary but locking is because the vibrations cause the ca ble to pull out and eventually shut down the engine if you don't keep pushi ng the knob in.=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0ASubject: RV10-Li st: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10=0AFrom: rv10free2fly@ya hoo.com.au=0ADate: Sun, 11 May 2014 21:20:40 +0930=0ATo: rv10-list@matronic s.com=0AAre there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow Perfor mance purge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate:=0A-=0A1. - the approximate length of the cable used;=0A-=0A2. -the supplier of the cable; and=0A-=0A3. -if they used a cable with some form of locking me chanism on the cable to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, suc h as the-A-750 VERNIER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce:-http://ww w.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/a750.php=0A-=0APlease let me know if this is suitable?=0A-=0AWarm regards=0A-=0APatrick Pulis=0AAdelaide, S outh Australia=0A-=0ARV-10 Serial No. 40299=0A-=0A-=0Aist" target=_ blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0Aank>http://forums.matr onics.com=0Arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A-=0Ahtt p://www.matrolow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">h ttp://forums.=-- --> =0A-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10 -List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2014
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
All that sounds scary Kelly.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:57 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow Per formance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10=0A =0A=0A--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen =0A=0AIf it is anything like the IO -360 Lycoming I have in my Mooney, the =0Atrick is to bring engine to 1000 rpm for shutdown and pull mixture. =0AThen, for startup, don't touch anythi ng, do not use boost pump. Just =0Acrank. If it doesn't fire within about 6 revolutions, begin to slowly =0Aease the mixture in and it will fire somew here around 50% mixture. Don't =0Acrank beyond 10 seconds. If it doesn't fi re, stop cranking. Reasses. Add =0Aa hair to throttle and try again with mi xture at cutoff through 5-6 =0Arevolutions then begin adding mixture.=0ALas t resort, prime it like cold start to flood it, go full throttle, =0Alock b rakes and mixture idel cutoff. Crank til fires and immediately =0Areduce th rottle while adding mixture.=0A=0AOn 5/11/2014 11:16 AM, JimVillani wrote: =0A>=0A> Don,=0A>=0A> I am having a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a H ot Start, no =0A> problem when it is cold.=0A>=0A> What is your secret?=0A> =0A> Please advise..=0A>=0A> *Jim Villani*=0A>=0A> Kit# 41084=0A>=0A> Jim@J imVillani.com=0A>=0A> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A> [mai lto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don McDonald=0A> * Sent:* Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:53 AM=0A> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0A> * Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10=0A >=0A> Just an FYI.... I may be totally off base here.... but for a lot of =0A> things I believe in the KISS principal.- I did not install the purge =0A> valve because several RV guys I talked to had installed it but never =0A> needed to use it, and I have never had any problems starting my =0A> e ngine,,,, hot or cold.=0A>=0A> So if anybody needs a valve, got one here re ally cheap.=0A>=0A> Don McDonald=0A>=0A> ---------------------------------- --------------------------------------=0A>=0A> *From:*Danny Riggs >=0A> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0A> *Sent:* Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:04 AM=0A> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 =0A>=0A> I'm using just a regular cable like you can buy from an auto parts =0A> store. I will eventually change it out to a locking type cable. =0A> Vernier is really not necessary but locking is because the vibrations =0A> cause the cable to pull out and eventually shut down the engine if you =0A> don't keep pushing the knob in.=0A>=0A> ---------------------------------- --------------------------------------=0A>=0A> Subject: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10=0A> From: rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au =0A> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 21:20:40 +09 30=0A> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0A>=0A> Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow =0A> Performa nce purge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate:=0A>=0A> 1.- th e approximate length of the cable used;=0A>=0A> 2.- the supplier of the c able; and=0A>=0A> 3.- if they used a cable with some form of locking mech anism on the =0A> cable to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as =0A> the A-750 VERNIER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: =0A> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/a750.php=0A>=0A> Please let m e know if this is suitable?=0A>=0A> Warm regards=0A>=0A> Patrick Pulis=0A> =0A> Adelaide, South Australia=0A>=0A> RV-10 Serial No. 40299=0A>=0A> *- *=0A> *- *=0A> *ist" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R V10-List*=0A> *ank>http://forums.matronics.com*=0A> *rget=_blank>http://w ww.matronics.com/contribution*=0A> *- *=0A> *http://www.matrolow" target ="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.= - --> - <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e% 3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20% 20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e%3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000>*=0A> *- - <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e% 3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20% 20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e%3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000>*=0A> *- <http://www.matro========%3c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/d iv%3e%3c/div%3e%3cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3 c/div%3e%3cpre%3e%3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2%20color=000000>*http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List <http://www.matro========%3 c/font%3e%3c/b%3e%3c/pre%3e%3c/div%3e%3c/div%3e%3cbr%3e%3cbr%3e%3c/div%3e%2 0%3c/div%3e%20%3c/div%3e%20%20%3c/div%3e%3cpre%3e%3cb%3e%3cfont%20size=2% 20color=000000>******=0A> ******=0A> ******=0A> ******=0A> ****http://for ums.matronics.com****=0A> ********=0A> ******=0A> ******=0A> ******=0A> *** http://www.matronics.com/contribution***=0A> ******=0A> ***- ***=0A> ** = ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2014
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Be aware that Continental fuel injection is COMPLETELY different than Bendix or AFM fuel injection, and technique used with it is completely different. Continental injection has a continuous return line, which allows purging every line up to the fuel servo by recirculating fuel from the tank. It also requires management of which tank fuel is burned from to make room for the return fuel. The flooded start method I described I consider a last resort, and should not be used routinely. 1st, having the engine fire up to near full power has safety concerns and is hard on the prop and the engine. 2nd, excess fuel in the cylinder washes oil of the cylinder wall, accelerating wear. On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Bob Wilson wrote: > Don - The basic problem with hot starts is the vaporization of fuel in > the lines to and from the spider or distribution block. I have not had > experience with the IO-540 but the same problem existed in the IO-470's of > which I had two in a Cessna 310. In that case it was mixture at idle cut > off throttle at mid-point and hit the primer (the boost pump with a > momentary switch) for about 10 seconds. The fuel would circulate and > eliminate the vapor. > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2014
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
On 5/11/2014 2:16 PM, JimVillani wrote: > > Don, > > I am having a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a Hot Start, no > problem when it is cold. > > What is your secret? > > Please advise.. > > I'm coming up on 500 hours with a stock Vans-sourced engine. Here's my cold and hot start procedure. Works without fail unless I have a brain fart and do something else (it happens). Cold Start: Crack the throttle (1/4" on quadrant), boost pump on, open mixture for 5 seconds (or more) and close mixture. Crank until it fires and smoothly open mixture. If it doesn't fire after 1 or 2 prop turns, stop cranking, open mixture for a couple more seconds, close and crank. Can't remember having to ever repeat that again. (Rather than the 5 seconds, watching the fuel flow meter while the mixture is open is more effective. Just open until the fuel flow goes up and then stabilizes. Then close and start. No 2nd tries required when following this method). Hot Start: Crack throttle, boost pump on, crank. Can takes 3 or 4 turns until it starts to fire, roughly. Smoothly open mixture. All movements are smooth. I only open mixture to the position slightly richer than I use for taxi, then once started, I lean it to my normal taxi setting (and LOP setting). If the throttle isn't cracked, neither method results in a start. I don't touch throttle until it starts, then I simply try to keep it around 1000rpms I do a fair number of hot starts - landing at home and filling up before taxi to hangar (definite hot start). Or, taxi to fill-up before taking off (not sure that qualifies but I use the hot start procedure). My home base is in Durham NC, so the ambient temps can be sky high. I'm not sure exactly who gave me these instructions. Might have been in the Van's doc but whatever... I've never been able to figure out what the big deal is with hot starts. This is my first fuel injected engine. Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: May 12, 2014
Congrats!!! Now the fun part starts. The plane looks slick, like it! Enjoy the test flights Mike -------- RV-10 builder (flying) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423216#423216 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
You would get similar results, but smoother start if you left the boost pump off. The mixture in the cylinder during a hot start is more often rich than not, because of fuel being boiled out of line from flow divider to nozzle. The mechanical pump brings up the system fuel pressure within a couple revolutions. If you simply shut down with throttle at 1000 rpm, and leave it alone, it will be just right for the subsequent hot start. Just my experience flying a Bendix fuel injected Mooney in AZ for over 15 yrs. On 5/12/2014 7:41 AM, Bill Watson wrote: > On 5/11/2014 2:16 PM, JimVillani wrote: >> >> Don, >> >> I am having a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a Hot Start, no >> problem when it is cold. >> >> What is your secret? >> >> Please advise.. >> >> > I'm coming up on 500 hours with a stock Vans-sourced engine. Here's my > cold and hot start procedure. Works without fail unless I have a > brain fart and do something else (it happens). > > Cold Start: Crack the throttle (1/4" on quadrant), boost pump on, open > mixture for 5 seconds (or more) and close mixture. Crank until it > fires and smoothly open mixture. If it doesn't fire after 1 or 2 prop > turns, stop cranking, open mixture for a couple more seconds, close > and crank. Can't remember having to ever repeat that again. (Rather > than the 5 seconds, watching the fuel flow meter while the mixture is > open is more effective. Just open until the fuel flow goes up and > then stabilizes. Then close and start. No 2nd tries required when > following this method). > > Hot Start: Crack throttle, boost pump on, crank. Can takes 3 or 4 > turns until it starts to fire, roughly. Smoothly open mixture. > > All movements are smooth. I only open mixture to the position > slightly richer than I use for taxi, then once started, I lean it to > my normal taxi setting (and LOP setting). > > If the throttle isn't cracked, neither method results in a start. I > don't touch throttle until it starts, then I simply try to keep it > around 1000rpms > > I do a fair number of hot starts - landing at home and filling up > before taxi to hangar (definite hot start). Or, taxi to fill-up > before taking off (not sure that qualifies but I use the hot start > procedure). My home base is in Durham NC, so the ambient temps can be > sky high. > > I'm not sure exactly who gave me these instructions. Might have been > in the Van's doc but whatever... I've never been able to figure out > what the big deal is with hot starts. This is my first fuel injected > engine. > > Bill > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2014
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
I don't have the Airflow product and don't have a purge valve. I do have a cable supplier recommendation. California Push-Pull - Chico CA http://www.push-pull.com/ I ordered replacement cables for the Van's supplied cables (quadrant version). The Van's cables were all about an inch shorter than optimal for my plane. After 200 hours or so, each of the 3 cables had started to chafe or melt in various places. I ordered Cablecraft replacements with the option of higher temp materials. I ordered three custom lengths - the 176-VTT-2-72 (72 inch) was $68.42. The shorter ones were less. Construction exactly matched Vans supplied cables but with higher temp plastics. Custom fabrication and shipment were apparently same day. Vernier and lock fittings seem to be options. Don't attempt to order from Web site, just call. They know cables but don't necessarily talk aircraft. If I were ordering any cables, this is where I'm going for price, service, and quality. I love ACS. On 5/11/2014 7:50 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow > Performance purge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: > > 1. the approximate length of the cable used; > > 2. the supplier of the cable; and > > 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the > cable to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as the > A-750 VERNIER CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/a750.php > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Wilson <bob(at)rjw.cc>
Subject: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
Date: May 12, 2014
Kelly, You are absolutely correct. You had to burn an hour out of the mai ns (Tip tanks) before going to the a x tanks. Each engine returned fuel t o its respective main. But the point is the fuel vaporization in the lines is the root cause of the problem. I'm looking at building an RV-10 so thi s "hot start" issue is of interest. The other problem with an over primed engine is a stack fire. I had that ha ppen in a Cessna 180 which was fortunately contained but could have gotten out of hand. If the engine starts it's a non-event but if it doesn't --- things can sometimes get nasty. I'm just looking for a safe but effective solution as I know that will be a problem for me At KSAW you have to taxi to the fuel pumps then re-start and taxi to the hangar area so for me it wi ll be an issue. You can get a truck to fuel you but it's $.30 more per gal lon Bob Wilson From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 10:33 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 Be aware that Continental fuel injection is COMPLETELY different than Bendi x or AFM fuel injection, and technique used with it is completely different . Continental injection has a continuous return line, which allows purging every line up to the fuel servo by recirculating fuel from the tank. It als o requires management of which tank fuel is burned from to make room for th e return fuel. The flooded start method I described I consider a last resort, and should n ot be used routinely. 1st, having the engine fire up to near full power has safety concerns and is hard on the prop and the engine. 2nd, excess fuel i n the cylinder washes oil of the cylinder wall, accelerating wear. On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Bob Wilson > wrote: Don - The basic problem with hot starts is the vaporization of fuel in the lines to and from the spider or distribution block. I have not had experie nce with the IO-540 but the same problem existed in the IO-470's of which I had two in a Cessna 310. In that case it was mixture at idle cut off thro ttle at mid-point and hit the primer (the boost pump with a momentary switc h) for about 10 seconds. The fuel would circulate and eliminate the vapor. Subject: RE: RV10-List: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: N24EV flew today KFFZ
Date: May 12, 2014
Nice Job! I've never seen anyone paint around all the windows with a black outline like that... pretty cool look. -Ben -----Original Message----- (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/myronnelson/media/ev1_zps23cb74c3.jpg.html ) (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/myronnelson/media/photo_zpsbdae493a.jpg.ht ml) -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423137#423137 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2014
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
Kind of off topic, but Kim and I are flying to Salina KS this Thurs to meee t up with a group on an auto rally.- Then the next day we are flying down to Sundance Airpark outside OKC.- Anybody located on or around these 2 a irports?=0ADon Mc=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: B ill Watson =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: M onday, May 12, 2014 9:41 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow Performance P urge Valve Fitted to RV-10=0A =0A=0A=0AOn 5/11/2014 2:16 PM, JimVillani wro te:=0A=0A =0A>Don,=0A>I am having a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a H ot Start, no problem when it is cold.=0A>What is your secret?=0A>Please adv ise..=0A>-=0A>=0AI'm coming up on 500 hours with a stock Vans-sourced eng ine.- Here's my cold and hot start procedure.- Works without fail unles s I have a brain fart and do something else (it happens).=0A=0ACold Start: Crack the throttle (1/4" on quadrant), boost pump on,=0A open mixture fo r 5 seconds (or more) and close mixture.- Crank until=0A it fires and smoothly open mixture.- If it doesn't fire after 1 or 2=0A prop turns, stop cranking, open mixture for a couple more seconds,=0A close and cra nk.- Can't remember having to ever repeat that again.-=0A (Rather th an the 5 seconds, watching the fuel flow meter while the=0A mixture is o pen is more effective.- Just open until the fuel flow=0A goes up and t hen stabilizes.- Then close and start.- No 2nd tries=0A required whe n following this method).=0A=0AHot Start: Crack throttle, boost pump on, cr ank.- Can takes 3 or 4=0A turns until it starts to fire, roughly.- S moothly open mixture.=0A=0AAll movements are smooth.- I only open mixture to the position=0A slightly richer than I use for taxi, then once start ed, I lean it to=0A my normal taxi setting (and LOP setting).=0A=0AIf th e throttle isn't cracked, neither method results in a start.- I=0A don 't touch throttle until it starts, then I simply try to keep it=0A aroun d 1000rpms=0A=0AI do a fair number of hot starts - landing at home and fill ing up=0A before taxi to hangar (definite hot start).- Or, taxi to fil l-up=0A before taking off (not sure that qualifies but I use the hot sta rt=0A procedure).- My home base is in Durham NC, so the ambient temps can=0A be sky high.=0A=0AI'm not sure exactly who gave me these instruct ions.- Might have=0A been in the Van's doc but whatever... I've never been able to figure=0A out what the big deal is with hot starts.- This ===== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: May 13, 2014
Thanks to you all, what a mine of information you are. Just pure gold. Warm regards Patrick > On 13 May 2014, at 0:28, Bill Watson wrote: > > I don't have the Airflow product and don't have a purge valve. I do have a cable supplier recommendation. > > California Push-Pull - Chico CA http://www.push-pull.com/ > I ordered replacement cables for the Van's supplied cables (quadrant versi on). The Van's cables were all about an inch shorter than optimal for my pl ane. After 200 hours or so, each of the 3 cables had started to chafe or melt in various places. > > I ordered Cablecraft replacements with the option of higher temp materials . I ordered three custom lengths - the 176-VTT-2-72 (72 inch) was $68.42. T he shorter ones were less. Construction exactly matched Vans supplied cable s but with higher temp plastics. > > Custom fabrication and shipment were apparently same day. Vernier and loc k fittings seem to be options. Don't attempt to order from Web site, just c all. They know cables but don't necessarily talk aircraft. > > If I were ordering any cables, this is where I'm going for price, service, and quality. I love ACS. > >> On 5/11/2014 7:50 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: >> Are there any builders out there who have fitted the Airflow Performance p urge valve to their RV-10, who could please indicate: >> >> 1. the approximate length of the cable used; >> >> 2. the supplier of the cable; and >> >> 3. if they used a cable with some form of locking mechanism on the cable to prevent actuation of the purge valve in flight, such as the A-750 VERNIE R CONTROL cable sold by Aircraft Spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal og/appages/a750.php > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance install
From: "rvdave" <rv610dave(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 12, 2014
Yes I did see that, thanks. -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423236#423236 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance install
From: "rvdave" <rv610dave(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 12, 2014
Bob, didn't see any photos regarding red cube location or induction on your pages. Maybe I missed them? Does the vans cable bracket get used with AP vert induction mount? Still searching for install photos of AP throttle body,brackets & cables. Any photos or links appreciated. -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423242#423242 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance install
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: May 13, 2014
Try looking in the section labeled firewall forward, but unless you also are installing Rod Bower's Ram Air mod, it won't help you much. My fuel controller is mounted horizontally and everything is in a different location. AFP has their own set of mounting hardware that comes with the fm-200. I didn't use the vans bracket, but then again, my fuel controller is horizontal, not vertical. I also didn't use much of the brackets in the AFP kit either for the same reason. It sounds like you don't have a copy of the AFP manual. It has quite a few photos of installations. I don't have a copy on my iPad, or I would send a you a copy. At this point of the build, nothing is prescriptive. The AFP manual shows you examples that you have to adapt to your installation. If you don't have the manual, give Don a call. A quick search of Matronics found this thread with pictures of a very common location for the fuel sensor. http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=421359&highlight=&sid=3afa4fba9d5e9179e9fdd4e8d529db66 Sent from my iPad > On May 12, 2014, at 9:33 PM, "rvdave" wrote: > > > Bob, didn't see any photos regarding red cube location or induction on your pages. Maybe I missed them? > > Does the vans cable bracket get used with AP vert induction mount? > > Still searching for install photos of AP throttle body,brackets & cables. Any photos or links appreciated. > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423242#423242 > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N24EV flew today KFFZ
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: May 13, 2014
bwestfall wrote: > Nice Job! > > I've never seen anyone paint around all the windows with a black outline > like that... pretty cool look. > > -Ben > > -- Actually, Brian & Brandi Unrein did their windows the same way. I agree, that it's really a great look. It makes the RV-10 look totally different. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423249#423249 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Matco parking brake valve fail
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: May 13, 2014
As I was setting the parking brake today, my left foot went to the firewall with a squirt sound and there were tiny droplets of brake fluid all over my shoes. I've got Bonaco lines so I knew they didn't fail. After wiping everything up I discovered that the leak was in the valve itself right at the bottom where the axle pin for the valve lever seats. When I pressed down hard it blew out with a force. Anybody have a similar issue or suggestions? I called Matco at 4:30 ish but there was no answer -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423263#423263 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail
From: "fdombroski" <f.dombroski(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 14, 2014
Myron, the Matco valve has o-rings that have a history of leaking. Look up at the valve on the firewall and I suspect you will find the origin of the leak. If so, you will need to pull the valve and replace the o-rings or send it to Matco for a mod if it is the older model. Cheers, Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423276#423276 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: May 14, 2014
That isn't good.... Does it only leak when it's set? The reason I ask is if the plane is still flyable to get it home. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423280#423280 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2014
From: David Clifford <davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail
Mine leaked pretty good and it was brand new. I ended up replacing the O rings and that took care of the problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 10:24:41 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail That isn't good.... Does it only leak when it's set? The reason I ask is if the plane is still flyable to get it home. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423280#423280 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: May 14, 2014
Getting home was a trick because I could only turn right on the griund, (except high speed) but it worked out. This morning I did one of the most physically challenging things of the entire build which was worm myself under the panel around the stick and prop up on a kidney braced with a rib with both arms intertwined into the cables and rudder pedals, sweat and brake fluid seeping into my eyes, to remove the lines from the devil spawned valve and join the cable ends together with spare male male through wall fittings I just happened to have . Expecting a friend coming by I get a phone call so I manage to flex my man boob enough to push my phone up high enough to pluck the phone out of my shit pocket with my teeth and tap answer with my elbow only to be asked by my local Chevy dealer if it was a convenient time to discuss my future automotive needs. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423292#423292 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail
Date: May 14, 2014
Excellent! -----Original Message----- From: woxofswa Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail Getting home was a trick because I could only turn right on the griund, (except high speed) but it worked out. This morning I did one of the most physically challenging things of the entire build which was worm myself under the panel around the stick and prop up on a kidney braced with a rib with both arms intertwined into the cables and rudder pedals, sweat and brake fluid seeping into my eyes, to remove the lines from the devil spawned valve and join the cable ends together with spare male male through wall fittings I just happened to have . Expecting a friend coming by I get a phone call so I manage to flex my man boob enough to push my phone up high enough to pluck the phone out of my shit pocket with my teeth and tap answer with my elbow only to be asked by my local Chevy dealer if it was a convenient time to discuss my future automotive needs. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423292#423292 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: May 15, 2014
Haa, love the vivid description of what I call airplane yoga... btw Matco sells a supposedly better valve now that looks like this http://static.veracart.com/matco/item_images/set_1/3579/lg.jpg -------- Lenny #40803 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423299#423299 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail
From: "dhmoose" <dhmoose(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 15, 2014
woxofswa wrote: > Getting home was a trick because I could only turn right on the ground, but figured that the home ramp was big enough to do a right 270 if I needed to go left. Thankfully, it worked out. > > This morning I did one of the most physically challenging things of the entire build which was worm myself under the panel around the stick and prop up on a kidney braced with a rib with both arms intertwined into the cables and rudder pedals, disregarding the sweat and brake fluid seeping into my eyes, to remove the lines from the devil spawned valve and join the cable ends together with spare male male through wall fittings I just happened to have . Luckily with both legs extended scorpion tail style out the door opening I was able to move the one that still had bloodflow as a counterbalance to my twisted spine. > Expecting a friend coming by I get a phone call so I manage to flex my man boob enough to push my phone up high enough to pluck the phone out of my shirt pocket with my teeth and drop it on the footwell floor. The caller ID says Van's, so I contort enough to tap answer with my elbow only to be asked by Van's Chevrolet in Scottsdale if it was a convenient time to discuss my future automotive needs. I've never laughed that hard at a post before! Excellent description. I think it was even funnier since I know exactly what you're talking about since I've been there, done that ;) When I installed the valve, I remember thinking, "This would be a serious PITA if I need to service this later". I'm now hoping I don't ever have to replace my valve! Thanks for the laugh. -------- David Halmos RV-10 Painted - Final assembly Portland, OR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423300#423300 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Wilson <bob(at)rjw.cc>
Subject: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail
Date: May 15, 2014
Myron, Thanks for the laugh. I let my personal trainer look at this and she is developing a list of exercises that might help me. If it had been me I'd had to have had a 2nd person there to "extract" me!! Bob Wilson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dhmoose Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Matco parking brake valve fail woxofswa wrote: > Getting home was a trick because I could only turn right on the ground, but figured that the home ramp was big enough to do a right 270 if I needed to go left. Thankfully, it worked out. > > This morning I did one of the most physically challenging things of the entire build which was worm myself under the panel around the stick and prop up on a kidney braced with a rib with both arms intertwined into the cables and rudder pedals, disregarding the sweat and brake fluid seeping into my eyes, to remove the lines from the devil spawned valve and join the cable ends together with spare male male through wall fittings I just happened to have . Luckily with both legs extended scorpion tail style out the door opening I was able to move the one that still had bloodflow as a counterbalance to my twisted spine. > Expecting a friend coming by I get a phone call so I manage to flex my man boob enough to push my phone up high enough to pluck the phone out of my shirt pocket with my teeth and drop it on the footwell floor. The caller ID says Van's, so I contort enough to tap answer with my elbow only to be asked by Van's Chevrolet in Scottsdale if it was a convenient time to discuss my future automotive needs. I've never laughed that hard at a post before! Excellent description. I think it was even funnier since I know exactly what you're talking about since I've been there, done that ;) When I installed the valve, I remember thinking, "This would be a serious PITA if I need to service this later". I'm now hoping I don't ever have to replace my valve! Thanks for the laugh. -------- David Halmos RV-10 Painted - Final assembly Portland, OR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423300#423300 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: aerosport rudder trim
Date: May 16, 2014
Hello List, Anyone has installed Aerosport's rudder trim kit? Need a picture of the rudder arm angle in relation to horizontal. It seems that in order for the spring to clear the sub panels, the arms have to installed about 25 deg from horizontal and it seems too flat of an angle to me. His website picture clips the rudder arms. Thank you. Rob Kermanj ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "g.combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: aerosport rudder trim
Date: May 16, 2014
Rob If you have the standard vans panel and depending on where you mount the uni t you could have a interference with the sub panel. You can angle the arms if needed a little. The other option is to lower the Spring holes on the arms Geoff Combs Aerosport products Sent from my iPhone Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling & Design > On May 16, 2014, at 6:23 AM, Rob Kermanj wrote: > > Hello List, > > Anyone has installed Aerosport's rudder trim kit? > > Need a picture of the rudder arm angle in relation to horizontal. It seem s that in order for the spring to clear the sub panels, the arms have to ins talled about 25 deg from horizontal and it seems too flat of an angle to me. > > His website picture clips the rudder arms. > > Thank you. > > > Rob Kermanj > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2014
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
Okay, I'll try that. My hot starts do result in some rough running for up to about 30 seconds or so. If leaving the boost pump off eliminates some of that. I'll change. Thanks! On 5/12/2014 10:50 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > You would get similar results, but smoother start if you left the > boost pump off. > The mixture in the cylinder during a hot start is more often rich than > not, because of fuel being boiled out of line from flow divider to > nozzle. > The mechanical pump brings up the system fuel pressure within a couple > revolutions. If you simply shut down with throttle at 1000 rpm, and > leave it alone, it will be just right for the subsequent hot start. > Just my experience flying a Bendix fuel injected Mooney in AZ for over > 15 yrs. > > On 5/12/2014 7:41 AM, Bill Watson wrote: >> On 5/11/2014 2:16 PM, JimVillani wrote: >>> >>> Don, >>> >>> I am having a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a Hot Start, no >>> problem when it is cold. >>> >>> What is your secret? >>> >>> Please advise.. >>> >>> >> I'm coming up on 500 hours with a stock Vans-sourced engine. Here's >> my cold and hot start procedure. Works without fail unless I have a >> brain fart and do something else (it happens). >> >> Cold Start: Crack the throttle (1/4" on quadrant), boost pump on, >> open mixture for 5 seconds (or more) and close mixture. Crank until >> it fires and smoothly open mixture. If it doesn't fire after 1 or 2 >> prop turns, stop cranking, open mixture for a couple more seconds, >> close and crank. Can't remember having to ever repeat that again. >> (Rather than the 5 seconds, watching the fuel flow meter while the >> mixture is open is more effective. Just open until the fuel flow >> goes up and then stabilizes. Then close and start. No 2nd tries >> required when following this method). >> >> Hot Start: Crack throttle, boost pump on, crank. Can takes 3 or 4 >> turns until it starts to fire, roughly. Smoothly open mixture. >> >> All movements are smooth. I only open mixture to the position >> slightly richer than I use for taxi, then once started, I lean it to >> my normal taxi setting (and LOP setting). >> >> If the throttle isn't cracked, neither method results in a start. I >> don't touch throttle until it starts, then I simply try to keep it >> around 1000rpms >> >> I do a fair number of hot starts - landing at home and filling up >> before taxi to hangar (definite hot start). Or, taxi to fill-up >> before taking off (not sure that qualifies but I use the hot start >> procedure). My home base is in Durham NC, so the ambient temps can >> be sky high. >> >> I'm not sure exactly who gave me these instructions. Might have been >> in the Van's doc but whatever... I've never been able to figure out >> what the big deal is with hot starts. This is my first fuel injected >> engine. >> >> Bill >> * >> >> >> * > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Performance Purge Valve Fitted to RV-10
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 17, 2014
[quote="Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com"]On 5/11/2014 2:16 PM, JimVillani wrote: > v:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > Don, > I am having a hell of a time starting my IO540 on a Hot Start, no problem when it is cold. > What is your secret? > Please advise.. > > > I'm coming up on 500 hours with a stock Vans-sourced engine. Here's my cold and hot start procedure. Works without fail unless I have a brain fart and do something else (it happens). Cold Start: Crack the throttle (1/4" on quadrant), boost pump on, open mixture for 5 seconds (or more) and close mixture. Crank until it fires and smoothly open mixture. If it doesn't fire after 1 or 2 prop turns, stop cranking, open mixture for a couple more seconds, close and crank. Can't remember having to ever repeat that again. (Rather than the 5 seconds, watching the fuel flow meter while the mixture is open is more effective. Just open until the fuel flow goes up and then stabilizes. Then close and start. No 2nd tries required when following this method). Hot Start: Crack throttle, boost pump on, crank. Can takes 3 or 4 turns until it starts to fire, roughly. Smoothly open mixture. All movements are smooth. I only open mixture to the position slightly richer than I use for taxi, then once started, I lean it to my normal taxi setting (and LOP setting). If the throttle isn't cracked, neither method results in a start. I don't touch throttle until it starts, then I simply try to keep it around 1000rpms I do a fair number of hot starts - landing at home and filling up before taxi to hangar (definite hot start). Or, taxi to fill-up before taking off (not sure that qualifies but I use the hot start procedure). My home base is in Durham NC, so the ambient temps can be sky high. I'm not sure exactly who gave me these instructions. Might have been in the Van's doc but whatever... I've never been able to figure out what the big deal is with hot starts. This is my first fuel injected engine. Bill > [b] Works for me too. Simple. -------- Wayne G. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423391#423391 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N24EV flew today KFFZ
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: May 18, 2014
http://youtu.be/vWHQvvaCOUI -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423431#423431 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: N24EV flew today KFFZ
Date: May 19, 2014
Way to go Myron! By the way, what are those shark gills for? Carlos -----Mensagem original----- De: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de woxofswa Enviada: 19 de maio de 2014 04:59 Para: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Assunto: RV10-List: Re: N24EV flew today KFFZ http://youtu.be/vWHQvvaCOUI -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423431#423431 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 19, 2014
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: N24EV flew today KFFZ
Congrats Myron.... be seeing you more often now.=0ADon McDonald=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0A From: Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac. pt>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, May 19, 2014 6:08 AM=0AS ubject: RE: RV10-List: Re: N24EV flew today KFFZ=0A =0A=0A--> RV10-List mes sage posted by: "Carlos Trigo" =0A=0AWay to go Myron !=0A=0ABy the way, what are those shark gills for?=0A=0ACarlos- =0A=0A--- --Mensagem original-----=0ADe: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mail to:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de woxofswa=0AEnviada: 19 de maio de 2014 04:59=0APara: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0AAssunto: RV10-List: =0A=0Ahttp://youtu.be/vWHQvvaCOUI=0A=0A--------=0AMyron Nel son=0AMesa, AZ=0AEmp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on ge ar.- FWF complete.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:/ /forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423431#423431=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N24EV flew today KFFZ
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: May 19, 2014
>>what are those shark grills for -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423443#423443 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N24EV flew today KFFZ
From: "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: May 19, 2014
Very nice , enjoy your phase 1 and always happy landings Mike -------- RV-10 builder (flying) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423465#423465 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Frecce Tricolori
From: "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: May 19, 2014
A good reason to delay the departure. Albenga LIMG -------- RV-10 builder (flying) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423467#423467 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Frecce Tricolori
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: May 20, 2014
I guess we can let it slide... This time:-) Nice pics. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423518#423518 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: WTB: Slick Mag Harness 6 Cyl
From: "fdombroski" <f.dombroski(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 21, 2014
New or like new condition for Slick 6393 Left Mag. Thanks Frank frankdombroski at gmail -------- Frank Dombroski RV-10 2.0 N46VT soon to be flying KSMQ Somerset Airport NJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423538#423538 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sandra & Rick Lark" <jrlark(at)bmts.com>
Subject: FirePenetrations
Date: May 23, 2014
Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? I'm just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven't drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any difference at all? Thx, Rick #40956 Southampton. Ont ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
Date: May 23, 2014
If you change the hole locations you will likely change your cable lengths and it is no easy trick to figure what those lengths need to be (ask me how I know). Jeff Carpenter 40304 just about ready for paint. On May 23, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark wrote: > Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? > > I=92m just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven=92t drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any difference at all? > Thx, Rick > #40956 > Southampton. Ont > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2014
Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I used the normal holes and was really disappointed. So I'm getting ready to plug them with bolts and cut new holes in the recess. I'll be using the Eyeball Penetrations to get the cables to pass through the firewall at the appropriate angle. If I had it to do again, I never would have drilled the factory holes. I would have just plugged them with rivets and cut new holes. Phil On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark wrote : > Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations > for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? > > > I=99m just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven=99t > drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle a nd > alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any > difference at all? > > Thx, Rick > > #40956 > > Southampton. Ont > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: FirePenetrations
Date: May 23, 2014
If you are not using the method in the plans to penetrate the firewall (i.e. something other than a bushing), then the holes in the plans will most likely be too close together. Mine are in the same general vicinity, but just spread out a little wider. bob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2014
Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Yeah, I drilled to size and put the bushings in place. I found out that they were too close together even with the bushings. There just wasn't enough metal between the holes to support all the cables. The thin areas between the holes have twisted and mangled pretty badly. So I'm punting on that option while it's still easy to do. Phil On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > If you are not using the method in the plans to penetrate the firewall > (i.e. something other than a bushing), then the holes in the plans will > most likely be too close together. > > > Mine are in the same general vicinity, but just spread out a little wider. > > > bob > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: FirePenetrations
Date: May 23, 2014
Rick, I did not like the alt air location, but I did like the standard Throttle, Prop and Mixture placement. I made a new bracket out of .050 aluminum and spread out the three controls just a little. The Oil Cooler air control (black knob) and Alt Engine Air control (red knob) are located on the left side of the apron. The two cabin heat controls (black knobs) are on the right (didn't want the passenger to pull the alt air by mistake. Photo attached. Cable firewall holes are generally in line with the control mounting. If I was to do it over I would move the two cabin heat controls a little further to the right. I also added a single .063" piece of angle connected to the bottom apron near the engine controls and the firewall. I was concerned there was too much flex in the middle of the panel. Might be overkill. I did find the throttle cable Van's recommends (47.5") to be too short. I sent it back to Van's and got the one he lists for IO-360 (50.5"). This is about an inch too long, but easily routed to make up the difference. The stock cable was tight against the bottom of the engine (IO-540 from Van's). Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sandra & Rick Lark Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:23 AM Subject: RV10-List: FirePenetrations Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? I'm just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven't drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any difference at all? Thx, Rick #40956 Southampton. Ont ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 406 ELT and batteries
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: May 23, 2014
Do they make a 406 ELT with D cell batteries? I can only find one with the expensive lithium replaceable batteries.... Thanks -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 23, 2014
Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
Not that I'm aware of, but I did put a couple of the expired lithium batteries in a 2-cell flashlight, using a 6V bulb. I had to rearrange one of the contacts slightly but it was easy. Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > > > Do they make a 406 ELT with D cell batteries? I can only find one with > the expensive lithium replaceable batteries.... > > Thanks > -Mike Kraus > > Sent from my iPhone > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2014
Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com>
Thx Carl. I am presently fabricating stainless steel penetrations for my F/W and thought about ganging the throttle, prop and mixture together on a piece of 3"x4"x1/16" SS plate, basically in the same location as the pilot holes are. I think I will wait to drill the alt air. Nice looking panel, quite similar to what mine will look like (except it's a G3X touch). Is the panel powder coated satin black or? Thx again, Rick On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > Rick, > > > I did not like the alt air location, but I did like the standard Throttle , > Prop and Mixture placement. I made a new bracket out of .050 aluminum an d > spread out the three controls just a little. The Oil Cooler air control > (black knob) and Alt Engine Air control (red knob) are located on the lef t > side of the apron. The two cabin heat controls (black knobs) are on the > right (didn=99t want the passenger to pull the alt air by mistake. Photo > attached. Cable firewall holes are generally in line with the control > mounting. If I was to do it over I would move the two cabin heat control s > a little further to the right. > > > I also added a single .063=9D piece of angle connected to the botto m apron > near the engine controls and the firewall. I was concerned there was too > much flex in the middle of the panel. Might be overkill. > > > I did find the throttle cable Van=99s recommends (47.5=9D) to be too short. I > sent it back to Van=99s and got the one he lists for IO-360 (50.5 =9D). This is > about an inch too long, but easily routed to make up the difference. The > stock cable was tight against the bottom of the engine (IO-540 from Van =99s). > > > Carl > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Sandra & Rick Lark > *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 11:23 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: FirePenetrations > > > Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations > for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? > > > I=99m just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven=99t > drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle a nd > alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any > difference at all? > > Thx, Rick > > #40956 > > Southampton. Ont > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List * > > *http://forums.matronics.com * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 23, 2014
So Dave now owns the world's most expensive flashlight! I have not seen any 406 ELTs that did not use Li batteries, either. Expensive batteries. It does seem odd that the 406 system is advertised as being very fast at pinpointing locations, but they also have long lasting (not needed??) batteries. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423664#423664 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 23, 2014
Even with following the plans exactly, my cables were too short to follow the routing in the plans. And I know I am not the only one with this issue. But not sure why. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423665#423665 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steven DeFord <riveteddragon(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
Date: May 23, 2014
Speaking as a Civil Air Patrol (who goes and does the finding of downed airplanes) member, while the 406 is great for getting us within a hundred meters or so, the 406 ELT still has a homing beacon on it to get us the rest of the way there, and it can take a few hours (or days, in some cases) to get there, so the homing beacon part needs to work for a little while. Capt Steven DeFord, CAP RV-10 kit; starting on elevators ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> Sent: 5/23/2014 11:38:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 406 ELT and batteries > >So Dave now owns the world's most expensive flashlight! > >I have not seen any 406 ELTs that did not use Li batteries, either. >Expensive batteries. > >It does seem odd that the 406 system is advertised as being very fast >at pinpointing locations, but they also have long lasting (not >needed??) batteries. > >-------- >Bob Turner >RV-10 QB > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423664#423664 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: FirePenetrations
Date: May 23, 2014
I lot of people ask me where I got the panel powder coated =93 but it is just PPG single stage paint. Dark gray for the panel and engine plenum, light gray for the rest of the interior. The is the second panel. As with my RV-8A I find there is always something to change on the panel every few years or so. Using the stock Van=99s panel with paint make panel mods relatively simple. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: FirePenetrations Thx Carl. I am presently fabricating stainless steel penetrations for my F/W and thought about ganging the throttle, prop and mixture together on a piece of 3"x4"x1/16" SS plate, basically in the same location as the pilot holes are. I think I will wait to drill the alt air. Nice looking panel, quite similar to what mine will look like (except it's a G3X touch). Is the panel powder coated satin black or? Thx again, Rick On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: Rick, I did not like the alt air location, but I did like the standard Throttle, Prop and Mixture placement. I made a new bracket out of .050 aluminum and spread out the three controls just a little. The Oil Cooler air control (black knob) and Alt Engine Air control (red knob) are located on the left side of the apron. The two cabin heat controls (black knobs) are on the right (didn=99t want the passenger to pull the alt air by mistake. Photo attached. Cable firewall holes are generally in line with the control mounting. If I was to do it over I would move the two cabin heat controls a little further to the right. I also added a single .063=9D piece of angle connected to the bottom apron near the engine controls and the firewall. I was concerned there was too much flex in the middle of the panel. Might be overkill. I did find the throttle cable Van=99s recommends (47.5=9D) to be too short. I sent it back to Van=99s and got the one he lists for IO-360 (50.5=9D). This is about an inch too long, but easily routed to make up the difference. The stock cable was tight against the bottom of the engine (IO-540 from Van=99s). Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sandra & Rick Lark Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:23 AM Subject: RV10-List: FirePenetrations Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? I=99m just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven=99t drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any difference at all? Thx, Rick #40956 Southampton. Ont http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
Not only do they not make with D cells, but you also need a lithium battery for the remote control and on some models a third one for a warning buzzer. So, yes the cost of batteries over 5 yr period is more than double the old sealed battery pack ELTs and a lot more than the D cell variety. On 5/23/2014 10:56 AM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > Do they make a 406 ELT with D cell batteries? I can only find one with the expensive lithium replaceable batteries.... > > Thanks > -Mike Kraus > > Sent from my iPhone > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
Rather than attempting to plug 5/8" or bigger holes with bolts, suggest you get a piece of SS sheet metal, same thickness as firewall and rivet it over the holes. Lighter, cleaner, more professional. On 5/23/2014 9:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote: > I used the normal holes and was really disappointed. So I'm getting > ready to plug them with bolts and cut new holes in the recess. I'll > be using the Eyeball Penetrations to get the cables to pass through > the firewall at the appropriate angle. > > If I had it to do again, I never would have drilled the factory holes. > I would have just plugged them with rivets and cut new holes. > > Phil > > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark > wrote: > > Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better > locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air > penetrations? > > Im just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I > havent drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if > the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, > or if it makes any difference at all? > > Thx, Rick > > #40956 > > Southampton. Ont > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
Has anyone attempted to engineer an automatic alternate air?? My fuel injected Mooney has such, with a round disk attached to a hole cut so that there is a metal cross with 4 openings rather than open hole. The disk covers that, is held in place with a single bolt with a spring on it pressing the disk in closed position. 3-4 lb force lifts the disk enough for air to bypass the filter from inside cowling. Only downside is you don't really know whether it has opened or not. I've seen 2 place RVs that had similar arrangement with hinged rectangular door that was spring loaded. On 5/23/2014 9:20 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: > If you change the hole locations you will likely change your cable > lengths and it is no easy trick to figure what those lengths need to > be (ask me how I know). > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > > just about ready for paint. > > > On May 23, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark wrote: > >> Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better >> locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? >> Im just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I >> havent drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if >> the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or >> if it makes any difference at all? >> Thx, Rick >> #40956 >> Southampton. Ont >> * >> >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 23, 2014
riveteddragon(at)gmail.co wrote: > Speaking as a Civil Air Patrol (who goes and does the finding of downed > airplanes) member, while the 406 is great for getting us within a > hundred meters or so, the 406 ELT still has a homing beacon on it to get > us the rest of the way there, and it can take a few hours (or days, in > some cases) to get there, so the homing beacon part needs to work for a > little while. > > Capt Steven DeFord, CAP > RV-10 kit; starting on elevators > > ---- Yes, I thought about the homing function. But if the satellite fix gets you to 100 meters, do you really need it? I suppose for a team on the ground in very heavy forest, the answer may be yes. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423686#423686 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: alt air
What timing! Friday mornings the airport hangar rats gather to discuss aviation. There's a -7 and two -10 builders. Both the -7 builder and I (-10 if you don't do math well) were discussing the FAB and the connection to the lower cowl. The subject turned to carb heat and alt. air. I dislike the Van's approach to alt. air and we brainstormed .... how about a butterfly? Hmmm. I came home and this is what I came up with .... if the picture comes through. The Van's alt air fitting opening is 2.5" which has a 4.9" square area. The 'plank' is 1" X 5" and the 'tube' is 2.5" dia. I'll probably use aluminum for the tube. ACS 6061 T6 03-38320 is only 4.35/ft. We talked about the butterfly being an ellipse rather than a disk so it seals better. There's plenty of room between the FAB and the lower cowl on the RV-10. The 'dot' is centered on the hole in the FAB. Some fillet work and I'll glass it right on the FAB. Not an automatic alt air .... but better than Van's .... IMHO Linn On 5/23/2014 4:49 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Has anyone attempted to engineer an automatic alternate air?? My fuel > injected Mooney has such, with a round disk attached to a hole cut so > that there is a metal cross with 4 openings rather than open hole. The > disk covers that, is held in place with a single bolt with a spring on > it pressing the disk in closed position. 3-4 lb force lifts the disk > enough for air to bypass the filter from inside cowling. Only downside > is you don't really know whether it has opened or not. I've seen 2 > place RVs that had similar arrangement with hinged rectangular door > that was spring loaded. > On 5/23/2014 9:20 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: >> If you change the hole locations you will likely change your cable >> lengths and it is no easy trick to figure what those lengths need to >> be (ask me how I know). >> >> Jeff Carpenter >> 40304 >> >> just about ready for paint. >> >> >> On May 23, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark wrote: >> >>> Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better >>> locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air >>> penetrations? >>> Im just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I >>> havent drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if >>> the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or >>> if it makes any difference at all? >>> Thx, Rick >>> #40956 >>> Southampton. Ont >>> * >>> >>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; >>> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; >>> ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> * >>> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steven DeFord <riveteddragon(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
Date: May 23, 2014
It sometimes is "yes." It's also helpful with moving signals (eg boats/floating), and inadvertent activations (eg at an airport-- there are a lot of planes within 100 meters). Steven DeFord RivetedDragon(at)gmail.com (925) 596-0426 (cell) On May 23, 2014, at 14:21, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > > riveteddragon(at)gmail.co wrote: >> Speaking as a Civil Air Patrol (who goes and does the finding of downed >> airplanes) member, while the 406 is great for getting us within a >> hundred meters or so, the 406 ELT still has a homing beacon on it to get >> us the rest of the way there, and it can take a few hours (or days, in >> some cases) to get there, so the homing beacon part needs to work for a >> little while. >> >> Capt Steven DeFord, CAP >> RV-10 kit; starting on elevators >> >> ---- > > > Yes, I thought about the homing function. But if the satellite fix gets you to 100 meters, do you really need it? I suppose for a team on the ground in very heavy forest, the answer may be yes. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423686#423686 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: fab sleeve
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Subject: Re: alt air
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 23, 2014
Will it clear the nose gear strut? Even when you remove the lower cowl by dropping it down? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423700#423700 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: alt air
On 5/23/2014 7:48 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > Will it clear the nose gear strut? Even when you remove the lower cowl by dropping it down? It's a long way to the nose strut ..... the end of the 'tube' in the pic is only 5" aft of the FAB. I could be flying if I didn't waste time on the 'simple' mods!!! Linn > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423700#423700 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2014
Subject: Re: alt air
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
This is what I was trying to describe. If the attachment makes it through. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > What timing! Friday mornings the airport hangar rats gather to discuss > aviation. There's a -7 and two -10 builders. Both the -7 builder and I > (-10 if you don't do math well) were discussing the FAB and the connection > to the lower cowl. The subject turned to carb heat and alt. air. I > dislike the Van's approach to alt. air and we brainstormed .... how about a > butterfly? Hmmm. I came home and this is what I came up with .... > if the picture comes through. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: alt air
On 5/23/2014 10:55 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > This is what I was trying to describe. If the attachment makes it through. It did. Like you said, you don't know if it's going to work when you need it. Things get stuck with age. A round piece of rubber held in the middle would work similarly, but how thick/stiff does the rubber need to be ...... too much engineering for a simple guy like me. I like positive open/close. Linn > > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: > > What timing! Friday mornings the airport hangar rats gather to > discuss aviation. There's a -7 and two -10 builders. Both the -7 > builder and I (-10 if you don't do math well) were discussing the > FAB and the connection to the lower cowl. The subject turned to > carb heat and alt. air. I dislike the Van's approach to alt. air > and we brainstormed .... how about a butterfly? Hmmm. I came > home and this is what I came up with .... > if the picture comes through. > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: alt air
Date: May 24, 2014
One thought - in all probability few of us will ever have a need to use alternate engine air. As such the design needs to be for something that opens, but closing can wait for landing if need be. I posted a note a while back on modifying the FAB to prevent a recurring problem I had on the 8A, the filter ablating the bottom of the fiberglass air box and the filter deforming from a cylinder to a cone. Both issues lead to the filter loosing contact with the top plate. Here is the original post: This is a mod to the air box I did on the RV-10, and just now back fitted onto the RV-8A. Over the years with the RV-8A I've had to repair the air box and replace the filter. As you can see from the first photo, the bottom of the filter deforms (curves in). This tends to shorten the filter such that it drops out of the top and impairs the seal with the top plate. I also had to add fiberglass to the bottom of the air box as the relative motion between the bottom of the air filter the air box eroded away the fiberglass bottom. The fix was to add a .032" aluminum plate to the bottom of the air box. The plate eliminates the bottom erosion and the added brackets hold the filter shape. A side benefit is that alternate air door now sandwiches the bottom fiberglass between two piece of metal making a sturdier install. I also took the step to add proseal between the aluminum plate and the air box bottom. One other mod done for the RV-10 was to flip FAB top plate over so it goes over the fiberglass bottom portion. This allowed me to use the larger K&N E-1000 filter (last photo). I just finished the second annual on the RV10 and can report the filter has retained it shape. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 8:06 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: alt air On 5/23/2014 10:55 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: This is what I was trying to describe. If the attachment makes it through. It did. Like you said, you don't know if it's going to work when you need it. Things get stuck with age. A round piece of rubber held in the middle would work similarly, but how thick/stiff does the rubber need to be ...... too much engineering for a simple guy like me. I like positive open/close. Linn On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Linn Walters wrote: What timing! Friday mornings the airport hangar rats gather to discuss aviation. There's a -7 and two -10 builders. Both the -7 builder and I (-10 if you don't do math well) were discussing the FAB and the connection to the lower cowl. The subject turned to carb heat and alt. air. I dislike the Van's approach to alt. air and we brainstormed .... how about a butterfly? Hmmm. I came home and this is what I came up with .... if the picture comes through. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05/23/14 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: alt air
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: May 24, 2014
In 16 years of flying, I've never needed to use alternate air. I'm happy wi th Vans simple solution. I don't intend to ever need it and if I do, I know it'll work. For me, it's just not something that needs re-engineered.... Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > What timing! Friday mornings the airport hangar rats gather to discuss av iation. There's a -7 and two -10 builders. Both the -7 builder and I (-10 i f you don't do math well) were discussing the FAB and the connection to the l ower cowl. The subject turned to carb heat and alt. air. I dislike the Van 's approach to alt. air and we brainstormed .... how about a butterfly? Hmm m. I came home and this is what I came up with .... > if the picture comes through. > > The Van's alt air fitting opening is 2.5" which has a 4.9" square area. > The 'plank' is 1" X 5" and the 'tube' is 2.5" dia. > > I'll probably use aluminum for the tube. ACS 6061 T6 03-38320 is only 4.3 5/ft. We talked about the butterfly being an ellipse rather than a disk so i t seals better. > > There's plenty of room between the FAB and the lower cowl on the RV-10. T he 'dot' is centered on the hole in the FAB. Some fillet work and I'll glas s it right on the FAB. > > Not an automatic alt air .... but better than Van's .... IMHO > Linn > > > >> On 5/23/2014 4:49 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> Has anyone attempted to engineer an automatic alternate air?? My fuel inj ected Mooney has such, with a round disk attached to a hole cut so that ther e is a metal cross with 4 openings rather than open hole. The disk covers th at, is held in place with a single bolt with a spring on it pressing the dis k in closed position. 3-4 lb force lifts the disk enough for air to bypass t he filter from inside cowling. Only downside is you don't really know whethe r it has opened or not. I've seen 2 place RVs that had similar arrangement w ith hinged rectangular door that was spring loaded. >>> On 5/23/2014 9:20 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: >>> If you change the hole locations you will likely change your cable lengt hs and it is no easy trick to figure what those lengths need to be (ask me h ow I know). >>> >>> Jeff Carpenter >>> 40304 >>> >>> just about ready for paint. >>> >>> >>> On May 23, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? >>>> I=99m just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven=99t drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering i f the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it m akes any difference at all? >>>> Thx, Rick >>>> #40956 >>>> Southampton. Ont >>>> * >>>> >>>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>>> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >>>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronic s.com/contribution >>>> >>>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> 05/23/14 > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: alt air
That filter is ugly! I saw pics from other builders that were just as bad. IMHO I think the 'deforming' of the filter may be due to the rubber on the filter having a problem with 100LL ..... or ethanol mogas ..... The filter just wasn't made for that environment. I'm also adding a aluminum plate to the bottom of the FAB to counter the FG wearing by the filter .... saw some more ugly pics on this list. I'll add a drain hole next to the filter so it drips down into my 'new' alt air box. We install a lot of things that we may never need .... heated pitot, ELT, windshield defrosters, fire extinguishers .... to name a few. However, when we do need them they're invaluable ...... Linn On 5/24/2014 9:17 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > > One thought -- in all probability few of us will ever have a need to > use alternate engine air. As such the design needs to be for > something that opens, but closing can wait for landing if need be. > > I posted a note a while back on modifying the FAB to prevent a > recurring problem I had on the 8A, the filter ablating the bottom of > the fiberglass air box and the filter deforming from a cylinder to a > cone. Both issues lead to the filter loosing contact with the top > plate. Here is the original post: > > This is a mod to the air box I did on the RV-10, and just now back > fitted onto the RV-8A. > > Over the years with the RV-8A I've had to repair the air box and > replace the filter. As you can see from the first photo, the bottom > of the filter deforms (curves in). This tends to shorten the filter > such that it drops out of the top and impairs the seal with the top > plate. I also had to add fiberglass to the bottom of the air box as > the relative motion between the bottom of the air filter the air box > eroded away the fiberglass bottom. > > The fix was to add a .032" aluminum plate to the bottom of the air > box. The plate eliminates the bottom erosion and the added brackets > hold the filter shape. A side benefit is that alternate air door now > sandwiches the bottom fiberglass between two piece of metal making a > sturdier install. I also took the step to add proseal between the > aluminum plate and the air box bottom. > > One other mod done for the RV-10 was to flip FAB top plate over so it > goes over the fiberglass bottom portion. This allowed me to use the > larger K&N E-1000 filter (last photo). I just finished the second > annual on the RV10 and can report the filter has retained it shape. > > Carl > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Linn Walters > *Sent:* Saturday, May 24, 2014 8:06 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: alt air > > On 5/23/2014 10:55 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > This is what I was trying to describe. If the attachment makes it > through. > > It did. Like you said, you don't know if it's going to work when you > need it. Things get stuck with age. A round piece of rubber held in > the middle would work similarly, but how thick/stiff does the rubber > need to be ...... too much engineering for a simple guy like me. I > like positive open/close. > Linn > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: > > What timing! Friday mornings the airport hangar rats gather to > discuss aviation. There's a -7 and two -10 builders. Both the -7 > builder and I (-10 if you don't do math well) were discussing the FAB > and the connection to the lower cowl. The subject turned to carb heat > and alt. air. I dislike the Van's approach to alt. air and we > brainstormed .... how about a butterfly? Hmmm. I came home and this > is what I came up with .... > if the picture comes through. > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > 05/23/14 > > * *http://www.matronic================ > http://forums.matronics.com- List Contribution Web generous > nbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/c > * * > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: alt air
The Mooney alt air is very easy to check for freedom to operate, just push on the plate anytime lower cowling is open, or hook up a fish scale to it when air filter is off to verify the tension is within specs. The air pressure needed to open a given area of flat plate is pretty easy to calculate. I've never found any problem with it sticking when checking it. I like not needing to run an extra cable through the firewall and not needing an extra knob some where on the panel. On 5/24/2014 5:05 AM, Linn Walters wrote: > On 5/23/2014 10:55 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> This is what I was trying to describe. If the attachment makes it >> through. > It did. Like you said, you don't know if it's going to work when you > need it. Things get stuck with age. A round piece of rubber held in > the middle would work similarly, but how thick/stiff does the rubber > need to be ...... too much engineering for a simple guy like me. I > like positive open/close. > Linn >> >> >> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Linn Walters > > wrote: >> >> What timing! Friday mornings the airport hangar rats gather to >> discuss aviation. There's a -7 and two -10 builders. Both the >> -7 builder and I (-10 if you don't do math well) were discussing >> the FAB and the connection to the lower cowl. The subject turned >> to carb heat and alt. air. I dislike the Van's approach to alt. >> air and we brainstormed .... how about a butterfly? Hmmm. I >> came home and this is what I came up with .... >> if the picture comes through. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> >> 05/23/14 >> > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: alt air
On 5/24/2014 11:05 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > The Mooney alt air is very easy to check for freedom to operate, just > push on the plate anytime lower cowling is open, or hook up a fish > scale to it when air filter is off to verify the tension is within > specs. The air pressure needed to open a given area of flat plate is > pretty easy to calculate. I've never found any problem with it > sticking when checking it. I like not needing to run an extra cable > through the firewall and not needing an extra knob some where on the > panel. I understand and agree on both counts. I didn't know anything about the Van's alt air setup when I ran the control ...... Linn > > On 5/24/2014 5:05 AM, Linn Walters wrote: >> On 5/23/2014 10:55 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>> This is what I was trying to describe. If the attachment makes it >>> through. >> It did. Like you said, you don't know if it's going to work when you >> need it. Things get stuck with age. A round piece of rubber held in >> the middle would work similarly, but how thick/stiff does the rubber >> need to be ...... too much engineering for a simple guy like me. I >> like positive open/close. >> Linn >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Linn Walters >> > wrote: >>> >>> What timing! Friday mornings the airport hangar rats gather to >>> discuss aviation. There's a -7 and two -10 builders. Both the >>> -7 builder and I (-10 if you don't do math well) were discussing >>> the FAB and the connection to the lower cowl. The subject turned >>> to carb heat and alt. air. I dislike the Van's approach to alt. >>> air and we brainstormed .... how about a butterfly? Hmmm. I >>> came home and this is what I came up with .... >>> if the picture comes through. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> >>> 05/23/14 >>> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 116 KR
From: pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com>
Date: May 24, 2014
116KR flew today-plane flew great save and except for the electronics-The G -900 gave me a big red X,no other disapointments.pics to follow get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 116 KR
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: May 24, 2014
Congrats! Enjoy the fly off. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423759#423759 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 116 KR
From: "dhmoose" <dhmoose(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 25, 2014
Congrats indeed. Hope to be joining the ranks of flying -10's within a week Enjoy Phase 1 "Pilot DMD" ;) -------- David Halmos RV-10 Painted - Final assembly Portland, OR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423771#423771 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Inverting Oil Cooler
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: May 27, 2014
Has anyone contemplated or installed their oil cooler upside down compared to the Vans recommended standard installation, to enable residual oil to be drained from the oil cooler during an oil change, without the need to remove the cooler? Wanting to know if this is feasible or practicable please? Any photos would be appreciated please. Warm regards Patrick ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2014
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Inverting Oil Cooler
Consider that you might create more problems than you solve. You would need longer oil lines, right angle fittings that could impede flow, and likely chance of trapping air in the oil cooler. On 5/27/2014 6:37 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > > Has anyone contemplated or installed their oil cooler upside down compared to the Vans recommended standard installation, to enable residual oil to be drained from the oil cooler during an oil change, without the need to remove the cooler? > > Wanting to know if this is feasible or practicable please? > > Any photos would be appreciated please. > > Warm regards > > Patrick > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Inverting Oil Cooler
Date: May 27, 2014
In general, a liquid based cooler is discharged at the top. This forces the cooler to always be full before fluid leaves - as in the fluid media tubes are not bypassed and you do not have an air lock stuck at the top of the cooler. For the RV-10 I did not like the Van's bounce off the firewall then back at the engine air path. I used the Airflow 2006X cooler but did a horizontal firewall mount. Even on hot days I end up closing down on the air to cooler butterfly valve to keep oil temps up. Photo attached. Note the cooler also has a forward adle clamp attachment to the engine mount that is not shown in this photo. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:37 AM Subject: RV10-List: Inverting Oil Cooler --> Has anyone contemplated or installed their oil cooler upside down compared to the Vans recommended standard installation, to enable residual oil to be drained from the oil cooler during an oil change, without the need to remove the cooler? Wanting to know if this is feasible or practicable please? Any photos would be appreciated please. Warm regards Patrick ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Inverting Oil Cooler
From: Cooprv7 <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 27, 2014
I would also add that for as frequently as most people change the oil, it probably would not provide much, if any, benefit. Marcus 40286, 680 hours On May 27, 2014, at 9:58, Kelly McMullen wrote: Consider that you might create more problems than you solve. You would need longer oil lines, right angle fittings that could impede flow, and likely chance of trapping air in the oil cooler. > On 5/27/2014 6:37 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > > Has anyone contemplated or installed their oil cooler upside down compared to the Vans recommended standard installation, to enable residual oil to be drained from the oil cooler during an oil change, without the need to remove the cooler? > > Wanting to know if this is feasible or practicable please? > > Any photos would be appreciated please. > > Warm regards > > Patrick > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2014
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Inverting Oil Cooler
That's an excellent way to mount the cooler, but my exhaust hangars would go right through the fwd right corner of the cooler. Do you have a different way of mounting the hangars or a different exhaust setup??? Linn On 5/27/2014 10:18 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > In general, a liquid based cooler is discharged at the top. This forces the > cooler to always be full before fluid leaves - as in the fluid media tubes > are not bypassed and you do not have an air lock stuck at the top of the > cooler. > > For the RV-10 I did not like the Van's bounce off the firewall then back at > the engine air path. I used the Airflow 2006X cooler but did a horizontal > firewall mount. Even on hot days I end up closing down on the air to cooler > butterfly valve to keep oil temps up. Photo attached. Note the cooler also > has a forward adle clamp attachment to the engine mount that is not shown in > this photo. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:37 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Inverting Oil Cooler > > --> > > Has anyone contemplated or installed their oil cooler upside down compared > to the Vans recommended standard installation, to enable residual oil to be > drained from the oil cooler during an oil change, without the need to remove > the cooler? > > Wanting to know if this is feasible or practicable please? > > Any photos would be appreciated please. > > Warm regards > > Patrick > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>


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