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Is there an exact location for dinner in Camp S? Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Gary Specketer wrote: > > > Good write up > > Gary > >> On May 24, 2016, at 9:07 AM, bcondrey wrote: >> >> >> Sticking with tradition, we will be hosting the annual Oshkosh RV-10 dinner/social on Sunday 7/24 this year. Location will be in Camp Scholler (in the area of 54th & Lindbergh) as in the past but we won't know the exact area until we get on site, about a week before. We will also acquire an additional site as in years past for a hangout area during the week. >> >> Start time will be 5:30, feel free to show up early if you'd like to be put to work setting up! We've had best luck just taking care of the food rather than doing pot luck so we'll stick with that approach and have a container for a free will offering to help offset cost. If you'd rather bring something that's ok, it's just difficult for a lot of folks to do much if they flew in and/or are camping. >> >> Not sure what the menu is yet but probably something different than the standard burgers and brats. This is intended to be RV-10 focused but as always, those still in the planning stages, vendors, etc. are also welcome. >> >> More details when the date gets closer, as of now there isn't much more known. If you are planning to attend I'd appreciate a heads up so we have some idea of head count. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456527#456527 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH/AirVenture 2016 RV-10 Dinner/Social
From: Gary Specketer <gspecketer(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 23, 2016
Lindbergh and 51 half way down Gary > On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > > Hi Guys > > Is there an exact location for dinner in Camp S? > > Cheers > > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 24, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Gary Specketer wrote: >> >> >> Good write up >> >> Gary >> >>> On May 24, 2016, at 9:07 AM, bcondrey wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sticking with tradition, we will be hosting the annual Oshkosh RV-10 dinner/social on Sunday 7/24 this year. Location will be in Camp Scholler (in the area of 54th & Lindbergh) as in the past but we won't know the exact area until we get on site, about a week before. We will also acquire an additional site as in years past for a hangout area during the week. >>> >>> Start time will be 5:30, feel free to show up early if you'd like to be put to work setting up! We've had best luck just taking care of the food rather than doing pot luck so we'll stick with that approach and have a container for a free will offering to help offset cost. If you'd rather bring something that's ok, it's just difficult for a lot of folks to do much if they flew in and/or are camping. >>> >>> Not sure what the menu is yet but probably something different than the standard burgers and brats. This is intended to be RV-10 focused but as always, those still in the planning stages, vendors, etc. are also welcome. >>> >>> More details when the date gets closer, as of now there isn't much more known. If you are planning to attend I'd appreciate a heads up so we have some idea of head count. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456527#456527 > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH/AirVenture 2016 RV-10 Dinner/Social
From: Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Jul 23, 2016
Hi Gary Many thanks. See you there. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Gary Specketer wrote: > > > Lindbergh and 51 half way down > > Gary > >> On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Les Kearney wrote: >> >> >> Hi Guys >> >> Is there an exact location for dinner in Camp S? >> >> Cheers >> >> Les >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 24, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Gary Specketer wrote: >>> >>> >>> Good write up >>> >>> Gary >>> >>>> On May 24, 2016, at 9:07 AM, bcondrey wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Sticking with tradition, we will be hosting the annual Oshkosh RV-10 dinner/social on Sunday 7/24 this year. Location will be in Camp Scholler (in the area of 54th & Lindbergh) as in the past but we won't know the exact area until we get on site, about a week before. We will also acquire an additional site as in years past for a hangout area during the week. >>>> >>>> Start time will be 5:30, feel free to show up early if you'd like to be put to work setting up! We've had best luck just taking care of the food rather than doing pot luck so we'll stick with that approach and have a container for a free will offering to help offset cost. If you'd rather bring something that's ok, it's just difficult for a lot of folks to do much if they flew in and/or are camping. >>>> >>>> Not sure what the menu is yet but probably something different than the standard burgers and brats. This is intended to be RV-10 focused but as always, those still in the planning stages, vendors, etc. are also welcome. >>>> >>>> More details when the date gets closer, as of now there isn't much more known. If you are planning to attend I'd appreciate a heads up so we have some idea of head count. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456527#456527 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2016
Subject: Re: OSH/AirVenture 2016 RV-10 Dinner/Social
From: John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com>
Between 52nd and 51st just six spaces south of Lindberg. I will bring "Spotted Cow". John Cox On Jul 23, 2016 20:00, "Les Kearney" wrote: > > Hi Gary > > Many thanks. See you there. > > Cheers > > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Gary Specketer > wrote: > > > > > > Lindbergh and 51 half way down > > > > Gary > > > >> On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi Guys > >> > >> Is there an exact location for dinner in Camp S? > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Les > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Gary Specketer > wrote: > >>> > gspecketer(at)hotmail.com> > >>> > >>> Good write up > >>> > >>> Gary > >>> > >>>> On May 24, 2016, at 9:07 AM, bcondrey wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sticking with tradition, we will be hosting the annual Oshkosh RV-10 > dinner/social on Sunday 7/24 this year. Location will be in Camp Scholler > (in the area of 54th & Lindbergh) as in the past but we won't know the > exact area until we get on site, about a week before. We will also acquire > an additional site as in years past for a hangout area during the week. > >>>> > >>>> Start time will be 5:30, feel free to show up early if you'd like to > be put to work setting up! We've had best luck just taking care of the > food rather than doing pot luck so we'll stick with that approach and have > a container for a free will offering to help offset cost. If you'd rather > bring something that's ok, it's just difficult for a lot of folks to do > much if they flew in and/or are camping. > >>>> > >>>> Not sure what the menu is yet but probably something different than > the standard burgers and brats. This is intended to be RV-10 focused but > as always, those still in the planning stages, vendors, etc. are also > welcome. > >>>> > >>>> More details when the date gets closer, as of now there isn't much > more known. If you are planning to attend I'd appreciate a heads up so we > have some idea of head count. > >>>> > >>>> Bob > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Read this topic online here: > >>>> > >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456527#456527 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Cheaper Alternative
Date: Jul 29, 2016
Now that my RV-10 is flying, it is time to part with my Mooney. Not as much room or useful load, and about 10-15kts slower than a -10, but drinks less gas as well. For the price of the RV-10 kit, you can be in a flying cross country machine today if you don't have to have a brand new airplane. Flyer attached. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cowl Flaps
From: "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016
I had the same problem with high CHTs during climb 400 degrees. I would have to climb at 125 kts to keep them cool which gave me a climb of 300fpm. I copied an idea someone had on the forums. The cowl flaps fit tight under the muffler and fold when closed. This allows for fences to be present on both sides of the cowl flap. My RV10 now can climb at 110 and show 1000fpm in the climb and the CHTs run around 350-380. I live in Oklahoma and they have been a big help in the climb performance. I have their details and drawings on my web site http://www.nwacaptain.com/cowl_flap.html. Just another idea for you. Greg.... -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458931#458931 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cowl Flaps
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016
Thank you very much Greg. Your page certainly validates cowl flaps as a way to fix high CHTs. While others have added shark's gills and other louver varieties, I always figured they would add drag in cruise and not give you the control of cylinder temps that cowl flaps do. I remember the summer I spent in OKC where 90 seemed the equivalent of 100 anywhere else. Where frozen goods would melt between the store and the car. Not my favorite spot to reside. On 7/30/2016 3:37 PM, greghale wrote: > > I had the same problem with high CHTs during climb 400 degrees. I would have to climb at 125 kts to keep them cool which gave me a climb of 300fpm. I copied an idea someone had on the forums. The cowl flaps fit tight under the muffler and fold when closed. This allows for fences to be present on both sides of the cowl flap. My RV10 now can climb at 110 and show 1000fpm in the climb and the CHTs run around 350-380. I live in Oklahoma and they have been a big help in the climb performance. I have their details and drawings on my web site http://www.nwacaptain.com/cowl_flap.html. Just another idea for you. > > Greg.... > > -------- > Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH > www.nwacaptain.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458931#458931 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Door Gas Struts Latest
From: Rich Hansen <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com>
Date: Aug 01, 2016
What are you using for the upgraded (heavier lift ability) door struts. Vans has one for $130.00 each. Appreciate any good input as mine wont stay up and i havent even added my door trim. If you can provide part numbers and vendor name I sure would appreciate it! Rich Hansen Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net>
Subject: Re: Door Gas Struts Latest
Date: Aug 01, 2016
I replaced originals with Lift-o-Mat 2218LP made by Stabiles 2 years ago and have been very happy with them. Alan > On Aug 1, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Rich Hansen wrote: > > > What are you using for the upgraded (heavier lift ability) door struts. Vans has one for $130.00 each. > Appreciate any good input as mine won=99t stay up and i haven=99t even added my door trim. If you can provide > part numbers and vendor name I sure would appreciate it! > > Rich Hansen > Flying > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Right Seat Arm Rest at Door
Date: Aug 01, 2016
After the first few rides in the plane, my wife has requested an arm rest... I'd love to see what others have done. Jeff Carpenter N410CF.... flying and flying and flying Westcott Press 1121 Isabel Street Burbank, CA 91506 jeff(at)westcottpress.com 818-861-7300 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: William Greenley <wgreenley(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 02, 2016
Subject: Re: Right Seat Arm Rest at Door
Same here, my wife has also requested this. Also, idea thoughts on handles/straps to make entry and exit easier, my wife is struggling. On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: > After the first few rides in the plane, my wife has requested an arm > rest... I'd love to see what others have done. > > Jeff Carpenter > N410CF.... flying and flying and flying > > > Westcott Press > 1121 Isabel Street > Burbank, CA 91506 > jeff(at)westcottpress.com > 818-861-7300 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Right Seat Arm Rest at Door
Date: Aug 02, 2016
My wife has increasing problems getting into the RV-10. I tried various things and found this to be some help: http://www.walmart.com/ip/B-R-PLASTICS-1036BK-Ez-Foldz-Step-Stool-12-inch -Black/41878349 I put this by the step. She gets both feet on this stepstool and from there she can reach the door opening side as a hand hold as she does the step then onto the wing. It is light and takes up little room in the baggage area. It also comes in handy for cleaning the windows. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Greenley Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:13 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Right Seat Arm Rest at Door Same here, my wife has also requested this. Also, idea thoughts on handles/straps to make entry and exit easier, my wife is struggling. On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: After the first few rides in the plane, my wife has requested an arm rest... I'd love to see what others have done. Jeff Carpenter N410CF.... flying and flying and flying Westcott Press 1121 Isabel Street Burbank, CA 91506 jeff(at)westcottpress.com 818-861-7300 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Craig Rufi <craigr60(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 02, 2016
Subject: Re: Right Seat Arm Rest at Door
As far as an arm rest, Jeff at Arero Sport products makes a very nice one. On Tuesday, August 2, 2016, Carl Froehlich wrote: > My wife has increasing problems getting into the RV-10. I tried various > things and found this to be some help: > > > http://www.walmart.com/ip/B-R-PLASTICS-1036BK-Ez-Foldz-Step-Stool-12-inch-Black/41878349 > > > I put this by the step. She gets both feet on this stepstool and from > there she can reach the door opening side as a hand hold as she does the > step then onto the wing. > > > It is light and takes up little room in the baggage area. It also comes > in handy for cleaning the windows. > > > Carl > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] *On > Behalf Of *William Greenley > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:13 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Right Seat Arm Rest at Door > > > Same here, my wife has also requested this. Also, idea thoughts on > handles/straps to make entry and exit easier, my wife is struggling. > > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Jeff Carpenter > wrote: > > After the first few rides in the plane, my wife has requested an arm > rest... I'd love to see what others have done. > > > Jeff Carpenter > > N410CF.... flying and flying and flying > > > Westcott Press > > 1121 Isabel Street > > Burbank, CA 91506 > > jeff(at)westcottpress.com > > > 818-861-7300 > > -- Thank You, Craig Rufi Email craigr60(at)gmail.com Cell 805 402-6480 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David" <dlm34077(at)cox.net>
Subject: medical reform
Date: Aug 05, 2016
Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance company for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and will publish as soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can be shared now is the suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate the requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the insurance carriers may still require an AME issued medical for aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be no legal requirement for the AME issued 3rd class but a practical requirement if one wants insurance. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net>
Subject: Re: medical reform
Date: Aug 05, 2016
David, as an > On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:17 PM, David wrote: > > Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance company for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and will publish as soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can be shared now is the suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate the requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the insurance carriers may still require an AME issued medical for aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be no legal requirement for the AME issued 3rd class but a practical requirement if one wants insurance. > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net>
Subject: Re: medical reform
Date: Aug 05, 2016
David, As An AME this is what we have been told by the FAA: Alan What we know about the new =9Cthird class medical reform=9D/ =9CPilot=99s Bill of Rights 2=9D legislation: (H.R. 636 The FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act of 2016 ): =C2=B7 Nothing will change immediately. The FAA has 180 days to establish new rules and may enforce the existing rules until July 15, 2017. =C2=B7 The third class medical certificate will not go away. Some general aviation airmen will still require it if they are flying outside the specified aircraft and flight parameters. Also everyone will be required to have received a medical certificate within the past 10 years. =C2=B7 Medical evaluations will be required every 4 years and may be performed by any state-licensed physician. There will be a specified certification statement which must be signed by the examining physician. =C2=B7 There are a variety of factors which may result in an airman choosing to continue to apply for a third class medical certificate, such as physician unwillingness to assume the liability for signing the new medical certification form. > On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:17 PM, David wrote: > > Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance company for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and will publish as soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can be shared now is the suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate the requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the insurance carriers may still require an AME issued medical for aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be no legal requirement for the AME issued 3rd class but a practical requirement if one wants insurance. > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: medical reform
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2016
I'm an incurable optimist so I hope these issues get brought to light during the NPRM comment period. I never thought (and neither did Congress) that insurance companies might have an issue with the Drivers License Medical. I'll be going through my annual application and will pose the question to my insurance broker. Linn On 8/5/2016 6:55 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: > > David, > As An AME this is what we have been told by the FAA: > Alan > * > * > > What we know about the new third class medical reform/ Pilots Bill > of Rights 2 legislation: > (H.R. 636 The FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act of 2016 > ): > > Nothing will change immediately. The FAA has 180 days to establish > new rules and may enforce the existing rules until July 15, 2017. > > The third class medical certificate *will not* go away. Some general > aviation airmen will still require it if they are flying outside the > specified aircraft and flight parameters. Also everyone will be > required to have received a medical certificate within the past 10 years. > > Medical evaluations will be required every 4 years and may be > performed by any state-licensed physician. There will be a specified > certification statement which must be signed by the examining physician. > > There are a variety of factors which may result in an airman choosing > to continue to apply for a third class medical certificate, such as > physician unwillingness to assume the liability for signing the new > medical certification form. > > >> On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:17 PM, David > > wrote: >> >> Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance >> company for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and >> will publish as soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can >> be shared now is the suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate >> the requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the >> insurance carriers may still require an AME issued medical for >> aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be no legal >> requirement for the AME issued 3^rd class but a practical requirement >> if one wants insurance. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: medical reform
From: Lyle Peterson <lyleap(at)centurylink.net>
Date: Aug 05, 2016
The insurance industry will use any lame excuse they can come up with to charge more or deny coverage. How does the higher hull value equate to an AME issued medical? The requirement for a medical issued within the last ten years is total nonsense. It was added by a congress critter who wanted his name on the bill. There is absolutely no substance to or basis for that requirement. Lyle Peterson EAA 269676 On 8/5/2016 5:53 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: > David, > as an >> On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:17 PM, David > > wrote: >> >> Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance >> company for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and >> will publish as soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can >> be shared now is the suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate >> the requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the >> insurance carriers may still require an AME issued medical for >> aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be no legal >> requirement for the AME issued 3^rd class but a practical requirement >> if one wants insurance. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: medical reform
Date: Aug 05, 2016
The entire piece of legislation is a joke IMO. We still have to visit doct ors who follow a FAS medial checklist and have logbook endorsements. Nothi ng has changed with the exception of pulling $$& out of AME's pockets. The way this has been sold as 'reform' and 'the end of the medical' for the p rivate pilot is a joke. I look forward to visiting my doctor in Jan to get my logbook endorsement. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 5, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Lyle Peterson wrote: > > The insurance industry will use any lame excuse they can come up with to c harge more or deny coverage. How does the higher hull value equate to an AM E issued medical? > The requirement for a medical issued within the last ten years is total no nsense. It was added by a congress critter who wanted his name on the bill. There is absolutely no substance to or basis for that requirement. > Lyle Peterson > EAA 269676 > >> On 8/5/2016 5:53 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >> David, >> as an >>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:17 PM, David wrote: >>> >>> Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance compa ny for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and will publish a s soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can be shared now is the s uggestion that although the FAA may eliminate the requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the insurance carriers may still require an AME issued medical for aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be n o legal requirement for the AME issued 3rd class but a practical requirement if one wants insurance. >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David" <dlm34077(at)cox.net>
Subject: medical reform
Date: Aug 05, 2016
It is as usual, the money people make the rules. Depending on whether my aircraft hull exceeds the threshold, I may switch to a 2 place aircraft and go bare. When I received my 3rd class medical in March 2016, the AME and I discussed medical reform and in general some of the applicants he sees. He indicated that there are a lot of people that will continue to fly with disqualifying problems. I can understand the insurance company's need to rate according to the actual risk, especially for significant hull values. What is significant? I do not know but believe some of the RV10s will qualify. Certainly some of the new certificated aircraft will qualify. $300k $500k ?? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: medical reform
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2016
It is all showcase political theater. There wasn't a case for need for medical evaluation for third class. The required checks don't predict future health any more than a driver's license. Prediction of incapacitation in-flight is the issue, and even a first class medical is poor for that. I can think of a couple cases of that which have occurred in the airlines in the past 12 months. If we aren't preventing medical incapacitation, and we really aren't proving physical capability to act as pilot, what in the heck are we doing? There have been waivers issued for no arms, for one eye, for all hand controls. Now I admit paying passengers don't really like seeing a guy in dark glasses, a red and white cane and service dog in captain's uniform going into the cockpit...but really what problem are we solving, or is Congress trying to solve, besides making the public believe that they are preventing medical incapacitation. We all know it doesn't take super strength, x ray vision, nor ultrasound hearing. On 8/5/2016 7:05 PM, David wrote: > It is as usual, the money people make the rules. Depending on whether my > aircraft hull exceeds the threshold, I may switch to a 2 place aircraft > and go bare. When I received my 3^rd class medical in March 2016, the > AME and I discussed medical reform and in general some of the applicants > he sees. He indicated that there are a lot of people that will continue > to fly with disqualifying problems. I can understand the insuranceu > companys need to rate according to the actual risk, especially for > significant hull values. What is significant? I do not know but believe > some of the RV10s will qualify. Certainly some of the new certificated > aircraft will qualify. $300k $500k ?? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: medical reform
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Aug 05, 2016
+1 Well said Kelly -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459260#459260 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rear seat vents handle
From: Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Date: Aug 06, 2016
Guys In the 2 rear seat vents, what did you use as handles? Thanks Carlos Enviado do meu iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rear seat vents handle
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Aug 06, 2016
I used a piece of wood dowel, about 1" long, drilled and tapped down the middle (the long way). Not elegant but works fine. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459276#459276 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rear seat vents handle
Date: Aug 06, 2016
No handles other than the tabs as made. Works for me. Carl > On Aug 6, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > > Guys > > In the 2 rear seat vents, what did you use as handles? > > Thanks > Carlos > > Enviado do meu iPhone > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2016
Subject: Re: Rear seat vents handle
I just took the two layers that form the aluminum tab and bent them 90* to make something to grip/push. -Dave On Saturday, August 6, 2016, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > > > Guys > > In the 2 rear seat vents, what did you use as handles? > > Thanks > Carlos > > Enviado do meu iPhone > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rear seat vents handle
From: "Greg McFarlane" <grbcmcfarlane(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2016
Good quality key rings work a treat, drill one hole, easily fitted, good grip, light weight. Cheers from Western Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459283#459283 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rear seat vents handle
From: "Greg McFarlane" <grbcmcfarlane(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2016
Good quality key rings work a treat, drill one hole, easily fitted, good grip, light weight. Cheers from Western Australiauj Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459284#459284 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: "Magnetic Anomaly" - Degauss rear seatbelt cables
From: Terry Moushon <tmoushon(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2016
Recommendation: Degauss the rear seat cables before installation. Like many others, I mounted my GMU22 Garmin magnetometer in the top center of the tail section, aft of the cargo bay bulkhead and my installation passed the interference test. That said, for my first 20 flight hours or so, I frequently experienced (1 or two per flight) a "magnetic anomaly" on my Garmin G3X touch. It was suggested that I check the rear seatbelt cables for magnetism using a cheap auto dashboard compass. Before removing the cables, I moved the auto compass along the cable and found areas on the cable that made the compass spin like a top. My good friend lent me an old (1978) Radio Shack hand held degausser. I removed the cables from the plane and took them home (did NOT want the degausser anywhere near the aircraft). On my workbench, I moved the degausser along each cable (2-30second passes)....and retested using the auto compass. The cables now did not move the needle at all. The cables were reinstalled with an extra washer at the longeron to prevent the cable from moving at the yoke. I have had 9 flights now without any "magnetic anomalies"... I have closed this issue. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "Magnetic Anomaly" - Degauss rear seatbelt cables
From: "bhoppe2" <bruce.hoppe(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2016
I had the same problem with the magnetometer mounted in my RV-10 tailcone using the SteinAir bracket. A cheap magnetic compass would swing when moved along the outside of the tailcone. At first, I presumed the AN bolts were magnetized, but they were not. I replaced them with SS bolts just to be safe. The rear seat shoulder harness cables were the problem. I demagnetized them with an old Radio Shack 100w soldering gun. I replaced the soldering tip with a 3-turn coil of 10 gauge wire and passed the cables through the hole in that makeshift coil. It worked like a charm. No more problems with the G3X compass. A friend recently tried to move his wet compass to the top of the windshield in his Cessna Skymaster, but he could not get it adjusted. We used that same soldering gun to demagnetize the overhead structure, but only using the side of the case of the soldering gun. It fixed his problem, too. -------- Bruce Hoppe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459293#459293 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "Magnetic Anomaly" - Degauss rear seatbelt cables
From: "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2016
You replaced AN bolts with SS? Which ones? I don't think SS are rated for carrying much, if any, structural load... Regards, Jay [quote="bhoppe2"]I had the same problem with the magnetometer mounted in my RV-10 tailcone using the SteinAir bracket. A cheap magnetic compass would swing when moved along the outside of the tailcone. At first, I presumed the AN bolts were magnetized, but they were not. I replaced them with SS bolts just to be safe. The rear seat shoulder harness cables were the problem. I demagnetized them with an old Radio Shack 100w soldering gun. I replaced the soldering tip with a 3-turn coil of 10 gauge wire and passed the cables through the hole in that makeshift coil. It worked like a charm. No more problems with the G3X compass. A friend recently tried to move his wet compass to the top of the windshield in his Cessna Skymaster, but he could not get it adjusted. We used that same soldering gun to demagnetize the overhead structure, but only using the side of the case of the soldering gun. It fixed his problem, too.[/quote] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459337#459337 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "Magnetic Anomaly" - Degauss rear seatbelt cables
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2016
You can buy AN3C or AN4C bolts. I'd have to look up what the difference in shear and tension strengths is. I suspect that for shoulder belt anchor that is drilled through aluminum angle there isn't a big difference, and that is almost all in shear. On 8/8/2016 12:29 PM, hotwheels wrote: > > You replaced AN bolts with SS? Which ones? I don't think SS are rated for carrying much, if any, structural load... > > Regards, > Jay > > [quote="bhoppe2"]I had the same problem with the magnetometer mounted in my RV-10 tailcone using the SteinAir bracket. A cheap magnetic compass would swing when moved along the outside of the tailcone. At first, I presumed the AN bolts were magnetized, but they were not. I replaced them with SS bolts just to be safe. The rear seat shoulder harness cables were the problem. I demagnetized them with an old Radio Shack 100w soldering gun. I replaced the soldering tip with a 3-turn coil of 10 gauge wire and passed the cables through the hole in that makeshift coil. It worked like a charm. No more problems with the G3X compass. > > A friend recently tried to move his wet compass to the top of the windshield in his Cessna Skymaster, but he could not get it adjusted. We used that same soldering gun to demagnetize the overhead structure, but only using the side of the case of the soldering gun. It fixed his problem, too.[/quote] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459337#459337 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Rear seat vents handle
Date: Aug 09, 2016
Thank you David You probably remember that I flew in your RV-10, but I was in the front right seat, so I didn=99t see your rear seat vents. I miss California and those good beaches Carlos De: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de David Saylor Enviada: Sunday, August 7, 2016 12:16 AM Para: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Rear seat vents handle I just took the two layers that form the aluminum tab and bent them 90* to make something to grip/push. -Dave On Saturday, August 6, 2016, Carlos Trigo > wrote: > Guys In the 2 rear seat vents, what did you use as handles? Thanks Carlos Enviado do meu iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: Rear seat vents handle
Date: Aug 09, 2016
Greg Thank you for a really simple idea, but it seems that the key rings would not be so good for pushing as for pulling the vents. Cheers Carlos -----Mensagem original----- De: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de Greg McFarlane Enviada: Sunday, August 7, 2016 10:16 AM Para: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Assunto: RV10-List: Re: Rear seat vents handle --> Good quality key rings work a treat, drill one hole, easily fitted, good grip, light weight. Cheers from Western Australiauj Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459284#459284 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Landing gear legs
Date: Aug 09, 2016
Guys Let's pull out your bag of tricks ... 1 - I am having difficulties inserting the L & R main gear legs, and I don't want to use any technique that will ruin something. Will it be because of the high temperatures here (over 96F)? Can I use sand paper on the inner surfaces of the WD-1021 and on the outer surfaces of the legs? Should I use some kind of lubricant? In one word, are there any tricks to facilitate the insertion of the main gear legs? 2 - Regarding the Nose Gear leg, I'm having trouble to thread the MS21025-24 big nut into the spindle of the WD-1017 Nose gear leg. I see no scratches in the thread or on the nut, so what is the trick here? 3 - Still in the nose gear leg, despite trying to do what is indicated in the manual, I am not succeeding in compressing the 4 "Mooney" rubber dampers, in order to install the upper bolt through the gear link. What technique did you use? Thanks Carlos ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Landing gear legs
Date: Aug 09, 2016
As a rule, never put two pieces of metal together (like gear legs into weldments) without grease. The grease will help on the install, and the grease will prevent the two piece of metal from fusing together with corrosion. Any standard grease is fine. Same goes for when you install the wings to the fuselage. On the bolt and nut - try a new bolt and nut. On the nose gear dampers, it helps if you have the engine mounted. Chock the wheels and use a long ram jack to GENTLY push up on the tail. Use a 2x6 or such with a lot of padding between the bottom of the tail and the jack. The alternative is to get a heavy duty ratcheting cargo strap and run it between the top of the engine mount and the nose gear, and start ratcheting. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:21 AM Subject: RV10-List: Landing gear legs Guys Let's pull out your bag of tricks ... 1 - I am having difficulties inserting the L & R main gear legs, and I don't want to use any technique that will ruin something. Will it be because of the high temperatures here (over 96F)? Can I use sand paper on the inner surfaces of the WD-1021 and on the outer surfaces of the legs? Should I use some kind of lubricant? In one word, are there any tricks to facilitate the insertion of the main gear legs? 2 - Regarding the Nose Gear leg, I'm having trouble to thread the MS21025-24 big nut into the spindle of the WD-1017 Nose gear leg. I see no scratches in the thread or on the nut, so what is the trick here? 3 - Still in the nose gear leg, despite trying to do what is indicated in the manual, I am not succeeding in compressing the 4 "Mooney" rubber dampers, in order to install the upper bolt through the gear link. What technique did you use? Thanks Carlos ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: Landing gear legs
Date: Aug 09, 2016
I'll reply below. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. 352-427-0285 jesse(at)saintaviation.com Sent from my iPad > On Aug 9, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > > Guys > > Let's pull out your bag of tricks ... > > 1 - I am having difficulties inserting the L & R main gear legs, and I don't > want to use any technique that will ruin something. > Will it be because of the high temperatures here (over 96F)? > Can I use sand paper on the inner surfaces of the WD-1021 and on the outer > surfaces of the legs? > Should I use some kind of lubricant? > In one word, are there any tricks to facilitate the insertion of the main > gear legs? As Carl said, up grease in all of the bearing surfaces. That should help putting them together. > > 2 - Regarding the Nose Gear leg, I'm having trouble to thread the MS21025-24 > big nut into the spindle of the WD-1017 Nose gear leg. > I see no scratches in the thread or on the nut, so what is the trick here? I have never had trouble getting them on. Are you sure you are using the right nut? > > 3 - Still in the nose gear leg, despite trying to do what is indicated in > the manual, I am not succeeding in compressing the 4 "Mooney" rubber > dampers, in order to install the upper bolt through the gear link. > What technique did you use? There are a couple of ways to do this. The easiest is with the engine mounted then putting a ratchet strap from the engine to the nose gear fork area (anywhere it can hold on) and tighten until the bolt fits. You can also lift on the tail, but you will likely lift the mains off the floor before the bolt fits. We have also run a ratchet strap from an intersection of tubes on the engine mount to the gear leg to compress them. > > Thanks > Carlos > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Landing gear legs
Date: Aug 09, 2016
Carl (we're probably twin souls...) Thanks for the tips, especially the one to compress the rubber dampers. As for the big nut not threading, it's not on a bolt, it's on the thread in the nose gear leg bottom tip, so I can try a new nut (difficult to get from Oregon to Portugal...) but not a new nose gear leg :-) Carlos -----Mensagem original----- De: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de Carl Froehlich Enviada: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:01 PM Para: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Assunto: RE: RV10-List: Landing gear legs --> As a rule, never put two pieces of metal together (like gear legs into weldments) without grease. The grease will help on the install, and the grease will prevent the two piece of metal from fusing together with corrosion. Any standard grease is fine. Same goes for when you install the wings to the fuselage. On the bolt and nut - try a new bolt and nut. On the nose gear dampers, it helps if you have the engine mounted. Chock the wheels and use a long ram jack to GENTLY push up on the tail. Use a 2x6 or such with a lot of padding between the bottom of the tail and the jack. The alternative is to get a heavy duty ratcheting cargo strap and run it between the top of the engine mount and the nose gear, and start ratcheting. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:21 AM Subject: RV10-List: Landing gear legs Guys Let's pull out your bag of tricks ... 1 - I am having difficulties inserting the L & R main gear legs, and I don't want to use any technique that will ruin something. Will it be because of the high temperatures here (over 96F)? Can I use sand paper on the inner surfaces of the WD-1021 and on the outer surfaces of the legs? Should I use some kind of lubricant? In one word, are there any tricks to facilitate the insertion of the main gear legs? 2 - Regarding the Nose Gear leg, I'm having trouble to thread the MS21025-24 big nut into the spindle of the WD-1017 Nose gear leg. I see no scratches in the thread or on the nut, so what is the trick here? 3 - Still in the nose gear leg, despite trying to do what is indicated in the manual, I am not succeeding in compressing the 4 "Mooney" rubber dampers, in order to install the upper bolt through the gear link. What technique did you use? Thanks Carlos ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Landing gear legs
Date: Aug 09, 2016
Ok - so perhaps the first thread on the gear leg got messed up. If you never chased threads before, ask someone to come over and carefully dress the first thread. If you cross threaded the nut, then get a new nut. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 8:27 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing gear legs Carl (we're probably twin souls...) Thanks for the tips, especially the one to compress the rubber dampers. As for the big nut not threading, it's not on a bolt, it's on the thread in the nose gear leg bottom tip, so I can try a new nut (difficult to get from Oregon to Portugal...) but not a new nose gear leg :-) Carlos -----Mensagem original----- De: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de Carl Froehlich Enviada: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:01 PM Para: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Assunto: RE: RV10-List: Landing gear legs --> As a rule, never put two pieces of metal together (like gear legs into weldments) without grease. The grease will help on the install, and the grease will prevent the two piece of metal from fusing together with corrosion. Any standard grease is fine. Same goes for when you install the wings to the fuselage. On the bolt and nut - try a new bolt and nut. On the nose gear dampers, it helps if you have the engine mounted. Chock the wheels and use a long ram jack to GENTLY push up on the tail. Use a 2x6 or such with a lot of padding between the bottom of the tail and the jack. The alternative is to get a heavy duty ratcheting cargo strap and run it between the top of the engine mount and the nose gear, and start ratcheting. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 6:21 AM Subject: RV10-List: Landing gear legs Guys Let's pull out your bag of tricks ... 1 - I am having difficulties inserting the L & R main gear legs, and I don't want to use any technique that will ruin something. Will it be because of the high temperatures here (over 96F)? Can I use sand paper on the inner surfaces of the WD-1021 and on the outer surfaces of the legs? Should I use some kind of lubricant? In one word, are there any tricks to facilitate the insertion of the main gear legs? 2 - Regarding the Nose Gear leg, I'm having trouble to thread the MS21025-24 big nut into the spindle of the WD-1017 Nose gear leg. I see no scratches in the thread or on the nut, so what is the trick here? 3 - Still in the nose gear leg, despite trying to do what is indicated in the manual, I am not succeeding in compressing the 4 "Mooney" rubber dampers, in order to install the upper bolt through the gear link. What technique did you use? Thanks Carlos ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Landing gear legs
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 09, 2016
I would infer from your questions that you are trying to do some of the gear steps out of order. With the mains you need to ensure the socket interior and the gear leg are smooth, with no rough edges. Use medium to fine sandpaper on rough areas, or Scotchbrite. You will need grease. On the nose gear nut, examine the threads carefully. Something is not right if you can't get it started by hand. The donuts do not get compressed until you have the plane on the gear. You need to be able to lower the nose gear leg enough to insert the strut into the bracket, and bolt the lower end. The compression is only done with plane on the gear, to secure the cap at the top of the strut. As Carl indicated the easy way is to use an aircraft jack on the tail tiedown ring (or jack point inserted in place of the ring is safer). Slowly raise the tail and keep checking until you have just enough to install the retaining bolt. Oh, and yes, the shock disks are in fact the part number used on all three Mooney landing gear. On 8/9/2016 3:21 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Guys > > Let's pull out your bag of tricks ... > > 1 - I am having difficulties inserting the L & R main gear legs, and I don't > want to use any technique that will ruin something. > Will it be because of the high temperatures here (over 96F)? > Can I use sand paper on the inner surfaces of the WD-1021 and on the outer > surfaces of the legs? > Should I use some kind of lubricant? > In one word, are there any tricks to facilitate the insertion of the main > gear legs? > > 2 - Regarding the Nose Gear leg, I'm having trouble to thread the MS21025-24 > big nut into the spindle of the WD-1017 Nose gear leg. > I see no scratches in the thread or on the nut, so what is the trick here? > > 3 - Still in the nose gear leg, despite trying to do what is indicated in > the manual, I am not succeeding in compressing the 4 "Mooney" rubber > dampers, in order to install the upper bolt through the gear link. > What technique did you use? > > Thanks > Carlos > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Right Seat Arm Rest at Door
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 09, 2016
I ordered armrests from a wheelchair supply catalog. I then had them recovered in excess ultraleather to match my interior and mounted the to the door with lightweight angle stock. Look great, very comfortable, draw lots of compliments. (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/myronnelson/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsowyyfic8.jpeg.html) -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459417#459417 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Berck E. Nash" <flyboy(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 10, 2016
Subject: Re: medical reform
For what it's worth, AOPA claims to have surveyed insurance companies and found just the opposite: http://insurance.aopa.org/About/news/Articles/2016/August/The-Impact-of-Medical-Reform-on-Your-Airplanes-Insurance?utm_source=eBrief&utm_medium=Content&utm_campaign=AOPAIS&utm_content=Ins-3rd-class-Med ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: medical reform
From: Lyle Peterson <lyleap(at)centurylink.net>
Date: Aug 10, 2016
The opposite of what? Give some reference when you respond to an email. On 8/10/2016 1:48 PM, Berck E. Nash wrote: > For what it's worth, AOPA claims to have surveyed insurance companies > and found just the opposite: > > http://insurance.aopa.org/About/news/Articles/2016/August/The-Impact-of-Medical-Reform-on-Your-Airplanes-Insurance?utm_source=eBrief&utm_medium=Content&utm_campaign=AOPAIS&utm_content=Ins-3rd-class-Med ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 10, 2016
Subject: Re: medical reform
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Here's the most significant quote from the article, IMHO: "Because in more than a decade, insurance companies cannot cite any losses due solely to the medical condition of the pilot that would have been discovered from a third class medical exam." Yup, exactly. Why the FAA couldn't handle this Class3 reform on their own long ago, is a mystery. > For what it's worth, AOPA claims to have surveyed insurance companies and > found just the opposite: > > http://insurance.aopa.org/About/news/Articles/2016/August/The-Impact-of-Medical-Reform-on-Your-Airplanes-Insurance?utm_source=eBrief&utm_medium=Content&utm_campaign=AOPAIS&utm_content=Ins-3rd-class-Med > -- Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 150+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Berck E. Nash" <flyboy(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 10, 2016
Subject: Re: medical reform
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lyle Peterson wrote: > > The opposite of what? Give some reference when you respond to an email. Sorry. The opposite of the fear that started and sustained the thread. >From David at the beginning: "One point which can be shared now is the suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate the requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the insurance carriers may still require an AME issued medical for aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be no legal requirement for the AME issued 3rd class but a practical requirement if one wants insurance." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: iMac <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Andair fuel valve
Date: Aug 11, 2016
I have been flying my -10 for nine years. It has the fuel valve and system supplied by Vans. Has anyone changed over to use Andair components from what was originally installed? Why? What would I order specifically to make the change? Been thinking about doing it. Any input appreciated. Thanks. Curt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ron Walker <n520tx(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Seatbelt Countersink
Date: Aug 13, 2016
Is that mythical seatbelt countersink still floating around to be borrowed ? Seeing the light at the end of the tunnel .... --Ron ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Seatbelt Countersink
Date: Aug 13, 2016
Hey Ron, Yes, I have the bit (enclosed picture). You'll need a countersink cage. If this works for you, send me your mailing address and I'll get it out to you. Later, - Lew -----Original Message----- From: Ron Walker Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:55 AM Subject: RV10-List: Seatbelt Countersink Is that mythical seatbelt countersink still floating around to be borrowed ? Seeing the light at the end of the tunnel .... --Ron ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Seatbelt Countersink
From: Ron Walker <n520tx(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2016
Thanks Lew -- I do have the cage for it ! Ron Walker 1000 Breakway Road Cedar Park, TX 78613 On 08/13/2016 11:10 AM, lewgall(at)charter.net wrote: > Hey Ron, > > Yes, I have the bit (enclosed picture). You'll need a countersink cage. > > If this works for you, send me your mailing address and I'll get it > out to > you. > > Later, - Lew > > -----Original Message----- From: Ron Walker > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:55 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Seatbelt Countersink > > > Is that mythical seatbelt countersink still floating around to be > borrowed ? > > Seeing the light at the end of the tunnel .... > > --Ron > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Trim Cable Nut
From: "mhealydds" <mhealydds(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 14, 2016
This may seem like a dumb question.....how did you get the elevator trim cable nut that is riveted to elevator cover plate threaded onto elevator trim control cable. I don't seem to have enough room to twist cover plate with nut around trim cable without elevator in the way. Thanks.....Matt (getting excited as end is in sight!) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459501#459501 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com>
Subject: Re: Trim Cable Nut
Date: Aug 14, 2016
I installed #4 screws and nuts in lieu of riveting. I've been glad several times over the past 8 years. David Maib > On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM, mhealydds wrote: > > > This may seem like a dumb question.....how did you get the elevator trim cable nut that is riveted to elevator cover plate threaded onto elevator trim control cable. I don't seem to have enough room to twist cover plate with nut around trim cable without elevator in the way. > > Thanks.....Matt > > (getting excited as end is in sight!) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459501#459501 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: Trim Cable Nut
Date: Aug 14, 2016
If you unscrew the screws holding the trim system onto the HS deck, you can pull out on one trim cable enough to bend it out of the hole in the elevator and screw the nut and plate on. Then do the same on the other side. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2016, at 10:14 PM, David Maib wrote: > > > I installed #4 screws and nuts in lieu of riveting. I've been glad several times over the past 8 years. > > David Maib > > >> On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM, mhealydds wrote: >> >> >> This may seem like a dumb question.....how did you get the elevator trim cable nut that is riveted to elevator cover plate threaded onto elevator trim control cable. I don't seem to have enough room to twist cover plate with nut around trim cable without elevator in the way. >> >> Thanks.....Matt >> >> (getting excited as end is in sight!) >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459501#459501 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Backfire fixes
Date: Aug 15, 2016
Hey all, On my RV-10 I've generally had not too bad an experience with backfire. My engine will almost definitely backfire if I pull the power all the way off during a descent. You can feel it under your feet. Yes, the ground lean is set well. I've heard plenty of planes do the same thing when fully reducing power, so it didn't suprise me, and it's reproduce-able. Now with my IO-390 on the RV-14 I experience the same thing. I did the ground lean setup and if anything I have it even leaner than the RV-10. But, it does tend to backfire a bit earlier. I don't need a full power reduction to cause it. If I just get the power very substantially pulled back, it'll happen. Is there anything else I could be missing that I should be doing if I want to reduce that? I'm guessing if I were to lean more aggressively that would help. But, I haven't been leaning it as far lately simply due to the engine being "new". Just thought I'd troll for ideas on this one before I just resign myself to living with it. I *think* I can even see it on the EGT more on certain cylinders at times. (i.e. #2 is the most common) It shows up as a slightly raised EGT due to the fuel burning in the pipe further down. Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2016
Subject: Re: Backfire fixes
I don't know for sure, but I would go full fine on the prop to keep rpm up, and avoid actually reaching the stop on throttle. I've seen it on the IO-360-A1A in my Mooney, but only with throttle fully closed. -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > > Now with my IO-390 on the RV-14 I experience the same thing. > I did the ground lean setup and if anything I have it even > leaner than the RV-10. But, it does tend to backfire a bit > earlier. I don't need a full power reduction to cause it. > If I just get the power very substantially pulled back, it'll > happen. > > Is there anything else I could be missing that I should > be doing if I want to reduce that? I'm guessing if I > were to lean more aggressively that would help. But, I > haven't been leaning it as far lately simply due to the > engine being "new". > > Just thought I'd troll for ideas on this one before I > just resign myself to living with it. I *think* I can > even see it on the EGT more on certain cylinders at > times. (i.e. #2 is the most common) It shows up as a > slightly raised EGT due to the fuel burning in the > pipe further down. > > Tim > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2016
Short version, there have been three in flight failures of the MT prop govs in rapid succession, on three different RV10's, the most recent being mine on Sat the 13th and the previous on the 6th. I know this is cheeky to say and I apologize to Matt in advance, but full discussion with pictures of all three events are on TOF (the other forum). Two failed to high pitch and oversped. Mine went to coarse pitch. Two of the three actually breached to wall of PG resulting in massive oil leakage that you wouldn't know about until it is gone. Several entities working on this. I personally would not fly an aircraft with this PG until this is resolved. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459523#459523 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2016
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Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2016
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From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Date: Aug 15, 2016
Question... After reading the threads and noticing the discussion on a SB from a few years ago, I am wondering... How old or are there any similar dates of manufacture on these 3? I have one P-860-3 that was installed in 2005 and has 1200 hrs and there are many flying from that era and these are the first failures of this type I've heard of. So either I've been way out of touch (which I don't think it is as I communicate with many on things like this) or there is some other piece of info missing that may be common to the situation. If they were all of newer vintage perhaps that would explain it? Tim > On Aug 15, 2016, at 5:14 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > > Short version, there have been three in flight failures of the MT prop govs in rapid succession, on three different RV10's, the most recent being mine on Sat the 13th and the previous on the 6th. > > I know this is cheeky to say and I apologize to Matt in advance, but full discussion with pictures of all three events are on TOF (the other forum). > > Two failed to high pitch and oversped. Mine went to coarse pitch. Two of the three actually breached to wall of PG resulting in massive oil leakage that you wouldn't know about until it is gone. > > Several entities working on this. I personally would not fly an aircraft with this PG until this is resolved. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Flew May 10 2014 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459523#459523 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sandra & Rick" <jrlark(at)bmts.com>
Subject: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Date: Aug 15, 2016
Tim, my MT governor failed right out of the box. The bushing seized almost instantly where the drive shaft exited the housing, which caused a prop over speed, and ruined the crankshaft of my IO-540. My MT governor was listed on SB#27 which unfortunately I didn't know about. 3 months and $10K later I've started test flying again. Not happy to say the least..... Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 6:49 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. Question... After reading the threads and noticing the discussion on a SB from a few years ago, I am wondering... How old or are there any similar dates of manufacture on these 3? I have one P-860-3 that was installed in 2005 and has 1200 hrs and there are many flying from that era and these are the first failures of this type I've heard of. So either I've been way out of touch (which I don't think it is as I communicate with many on things like this) or there is some other piece of info missing that may be common to the situation. If they were all of newer vintage perhaps that would explain it? Tim > On Aug 15, 2016, at 5:14 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > > Short version, there have been three in flight failures of the MT prop govs in rapid succession, on three different RV10's, the most recent being mine on Sat the 13th and the previous on the 6th. > > I know this is cheeky to say and I apologize to Matt in advance, but full discussion with pictures of all three events are on TOF (the other forum). > > Two failed to high pitch and oversped. Mine went to coarse pitch. Two of the three actually breached to wall of PG resulting in massive oil leakage that you wouldn't know about until it is gone. > > Several entities working on this. I personally would not fly an aircraft with this PG until this is resolved. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Flew May 10 2014 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459523#459523 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2016
Good question Tim. Mine carries 10/11 on the sticker and 9/11 on the data plate. These were actually manufactured by an entity with an unpronouncable name starting with J that makes for different brands. According to MT-USA today, the SB only applies to units that carry 2012/2013 dates. They checked mine this afternoon and said it was outside of the SB. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459528#459528 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2016
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
>From the photos posted, it appears all were manufactured late 2011 to early 2012 and we're all sourced from Van's. Mine was manufactured in mid 2012 and purchased directly from MT in Germany. It is currently in route to MT in Florida to have the SB performed as well as thoroughly inspected. Shannon On Monday, August 15, 2016, Sandra & Rick wrote: > > > > Tim, my MT governor failed right out of the box. The bushing seized almost > instantly where the drive shaft exited the housing, which caused a prop > over > speed, and ruined the crankshaft of my IO-540. My MT governor was listed on > SB#27 which unfortunately I didn't know about. 3 months and $10K later > I've > started test flying again. Not happy to say the least..... > > Rick > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <javascript:;> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of > Tim Olson > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 6:49 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. > > > Question... After reading the threads and noticing the discussion on a SB > from a few years ago, I am wondering... How old or are there any similar > dates of manufacture on these 3? > I have one P-860-3 that was installed in 2005 and has 1200 hrs and there > are > many flying from that era and these are the first failures of this type > I've > heard of. So either I've been way out of touch (which I don't think it is > as I communicate with many on things like this) or there is some other > piece > of info missing that may be common to the situation. If they were all of > newer vintage perhaps that would explain it? > Tim > > > On Aug 15, 2016, at 5:14 PM, woxofswa > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Short version, there have been three in flight failures of the MT prop > govs in rapid succession, on three different RV10's, the most recent being > mine on Sat the 13th and the previous on the 6th. > > > > I know this is cheeky to say and I apologize to Matt in advance, but full > discussion with pictures of all three events are on TOF (the other forum). > > > > Two failed to high pitch and oversped. Mine went to coarse pitch. Two > of > the three actually breached to wall of PG resulting in massive oil leakage > that you wouldn't know about until it is gone. > > > > Several entities working on this. I personally would not fly an aircraft > with this PG until this is resolved. > > > > -------- > > Myron Nelson > > Mesa, AZ > > Flew May 10 2014 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459523#459523 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Date: Aug 15, 2016
That's basically pointing in the direction I was thinking. Yours was a low-time failure and manufactured fairly recently. Rick's was the same. I don't know what Todd's story was on time but I don't think he has as much time as many do. So if these were manufactured more recently maybe that's the common issue. There were many P-860-3's sold... Mine being installed in 2005, but it's only recently that these came up. So there may be a difference in materials for the vintage or something. Very interesting though. Tim > On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:09 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > > Good question Tim. > > Mine carries 10/11 on the sticker and 9/11 on the data plate. These were actually manufactured by an entity with an unpronouncable name starting with J that makes for different brands. > > According to MT-USA today, the SB only applies to units that carry 2012/2013 dates. They checked mine this afternoon and said it was outside of the SB. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Flew May 10 2014 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459528#459528 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Date: Aug 15, 2016
I'm in the same manufacturing date for P-860-3 as Tim -- 2005. And so far, nary a glitch with it (knock on wood). Like Tim, flying since 2006, but not as many hours as Tim. Grumpy Sent from my iPad > On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > > That's basically pointing in the direction I was thinking. Yours was a low-time failure and manufactured fairly recently. Rick's was the same. I don't know what Todd's story was on time but I don't think he has as much time as many do. So if these were manufactured more recently maybe that's the common issue. There were many P-860-3's sold... Mine being installed in 2005, but it's only recently that these came up. So there may be a difference in materials for the vintage or something. Very interesting though. > Tim > >> On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:09 PM, woxofswa wrote: >> >> >> Good question Tim. >> >> Mine carries 10/11 on the sticker and 9/11 on the data plate. These were actually manufactured by an entity with an unpronouncable name starting with J that makes for different brands. >> >> According to MT-USA today, the SB only applies to units that carry 2012/2013 dates. They checked mine this afternoon and said it was outside of the SB. >> >> -------- >> Myron Nelson >> Mesa, AZ >> Flew May 10 2014 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459528#459528 > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2016
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Makes me wonder...I am on road with plane right now. My governor came direct ship from Germany and is the -5 variant specified for the wide deck engines, not the -3 that Vans sells. My prop was assembled by MT in FL and shipped direct to me. Have 700 mi flight tomorrow to get home. Guess will have to plan route to avoid over the water and desolate stretches. -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > >From the photos posted, it appears all were manufactured late 2011 to > early 2012 and we're all sourced from Van's. > > Mine was manufactured in mid 2012 and purchased directly from MT in > Germany. It is currently in route to MT in Florida to have the SB performed > as well as thoroughly inspected. > > Shannon > > On Monday, August 15, 2016, Sandra & Rick wrote: > >> >> Tim, my MT governor failed right out of the box. The bushing seized >> almost >> instantly where the drive shaft exited the housing, which caused a prop >> over >> speed, and ruined the crankshaft of my IO-540. My MT governor was listed >> on >> SB#27 which unfortunately I didn't know about. 3 months and $10K later >> I've >> started test flying again. Not happy to say the least..... >> >> Rick >> #40956 >> Southampton, Ont >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 6:49 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. >> >> >> Question... After reading the threads and noticing the discussion on a SB >> from a few years ago, I am wondering... How old or are there any similar >> dates of manufacture on these 3? >> I have one P-860-3 that was installed in 2005 and has 1200 hrs and there >> are >> many flying from that era and these are the first failures of this type >> I've >> heard of. So either I've been way out of touch (which I don't think it is >> as I communicate with many on things like this) or there is some other >> piece >> of info missing that may be common to the situation. If they were all of >> newer vintage perhaps that would explain it? >> Tim >> >> > On Aug 15, 2016, at 5:14 PM, woxofswa wrote: >> > >> > >> > Short version, there have been three in flight failures of the MT prop >> govs in rapid succession, on three different RV10's, the most recent being >> mine on Sat the 13th and the previous on the 6th. >> > >> > I know this is cheeky to say and I apologize to Matt in advance, but >> full >> discussion with pictures of all three events are on TOF (the other forum). >> > >> > Two failed to high pitch and oversped. Mine went to coarse pitch. Two >> of >> the three actually breached to wall of PG resulting in massive oil leakage >> that you wouldn't know about until it is gone. >> > >> > Several entities working on this. I personally would not fly an >> aircraft >> with this PG until this is resolved. >> > >> > -------- >> > Myron Nelson >> > Mesa, AZ >> > Flew May 10 2014 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459523#459523 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =================================== >> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> lank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Date: Aug 15, 2016
Kelly - The folk who experienced the failure said they felt like 10 min of t ime before becoming a glider was about what they experienced. Might be worth carrying a tad bit more oil in the sump while this gets figur ed out. Checked my -3 and it's 1/11 date. (9 months before one of the failed gov's ) My fingers are crossed that they can get this figured it soon since I shou ld be flying fairly soon. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Makes me wonder...I am on road with plane right now. My governor came dire ct ship from Germany and is the -5 variant specified for the wide deck engin es, not the -3 that Vans sells. My prop was assembled by MT in FL and shippe d direct to me. Have 700 mi flight tomorrow to get home. Guess will have to p lan route to avoid over the water and desolate stretches. > > -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm > >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Shannon Hicks wrot e: >> >=46rom the photos posted, it appears all were manufactured late 2011 to e arly 2012 and we're all sourced from Van's. >> >> Mine was manufactured in mid 2012 and purchased directly from MT in Germa ny. It is currently in route to MT in Florida to have the SB performed as we ll as thoroughly inspected. >> >> Shannon >> >>> On Monday, August 15, 2016, Sandra & Rick wrote: >>> >>> Tim, my MT governor failed right out of the box. The bushing seized alm ost >>> instantly where the drive shaft exited the housing, which caused a prop o ver >>> speed, and ruined the crankshaft of my IO-540. My MT governor was listed on >>> SB#27 which unfortunately I didn't know about. 3 months and $10K later I 've >>> started test flying again. Not happy to say the least..... >>> >>> Rick >>> #40956 >>> Southampton, Ont >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 6:49 PM >>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. >>> >>> >>> Question... After reading the threads and noticing the discussion on a S B >>> from a few years ago, I am wondering... How old or are there any similar >>> dates of manufacture on these 3? >>> I have one P-860-3 that was installed in 2005 and has 1200 hrs and there are >>> many flying from that era and these are the first failures of this type I 've >>> heard of. So either I've been way out of touch (which I don't think it i s >>> as I communicate with many on things like this) or there is some other p iece >>> of info missing that may be common to the situation. If they were all o f >>> newer vintage perhaps that would explain it? >>> Tim >>> >>> > On Aug 15, 2016, at 5:14 PM, woxofswa wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Short version, there have been three in flight failures of the MT prop >>> govs in rapid succession, on three different RV10's, the most recent bei ng >>> mine on Sat the 13th and the previous on the 6th. >>> > >>> > I know this is cheeky to say and I apologize to Matt in advance, but f ull >>> discussion with pictures of all three events are on TOF (the other forum ). >>> > >>> > Two failed to high pitch and oversped. Mine went to coarse pitch. Tw o of >>> the three actually breached to wall of PG resulting in massive oil leaka ge >>> that you wouldn't know about until it is gone. >>> > >>> > Several entities working on this. I personally would not fly an aircr aft >>> with this PG until this is resolved. >>> > >>> > -------- >>> > Myron Nelson >>> > Mesa, AZ >>> > Flew May 10 2014 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Read this topic online here: >>> > >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459523#459523 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> WIKI - >>> lank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2016
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
I suspect extra oil might only get you and extra minute, and might get on the belly ahead of a failure, via the breather tube. -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > Kelly - The folk who experienced the failure said they felt like 10 min of > time before becoming a glider was about what they experienced. > > Might be worth carrying a tad bit more oil in the sump while this gets > figured out. > > Checked my -3 and it's 1/11 date. (9 months before one of the failed > gov's) My fingers are crossed that they can get this figured it soon since > I should be flying fairly soon. > > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Makes me wonder...I am on road with plane right now. My governor came > direct ship from Germany and is the -5 variant specified for the wide deck > engines, not the -3 that Vans sells. My prop was assembled by MT in FL and > shipped direct to me. Have 700 mi flight tomorrow to get home. Guess will > have to plan route to avoid over the water and desolate stretches. > > -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Shannon Hicks > wrote: > >> >From the photos posted, it appears all were manufactured late 2011 to >> early 2012 and we're all sourced from Van's. >> >> Mine was manufactured in mid 2012 and purchased directly from MT in >> Germany. It is currently in route to MT in Florida to have the SB performed >> as well as thoroughly inspected. >> >> Shannon >> >> On Monday, August 15, 2016, Sandra & Rick wrote: >> >>> >>> Tim, my MT governor failed right out of the box. The bushing seized >>> almost >>> instantly where the drive shaft exited the housing, which caused a prop >>> over >>> speed, and ruined the crankshaft of my IO-540. My MT governor was listed >>> on >>> SB#27 which unfortunately I didn't know about. 3 months and $10K later >>> I've >>> started test flying again. Not happy to say the least..... >>> >>> Rick >>> #40956 >>> Southampton, Ont >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 6:49 PM >>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. >>> >>> >>> Question... After reading the threads and noticing the discussion on a SB >>> from a few years ago, I am wondering... How old or are there any similar >>> dates of manufacture on these 3? >>> I have one P-860-3 that was installed in 2005 and has 1200 hrs and there >>> are >>> many flying from that era and these are the first failures of this type >>> I've >>> heard of. So either I've been way out of touch (which I don't think it >>> is >>> as I communicate with many on things like this) or there is some other >>> piece >>> of info missing that may be common to the situation. If they were all of >>> newer vintage perhaps that would explain it? >>> Tim >>> >>> > On Aug 15, 2016, at 5:14 PM, woxofswa wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Short version, there have been three in flight failures of the MT prop >>> govs in rapid succession, on three different RV10's, the most recent >>> being >>> mine on Sat the 13th and the previous on the 6th. >>> > >>> > I know this is cheeky to say and I apologize to Matt in advance, but >>> full >>> discussion with pictures of all three events are on TOF (the other >>> forum). >>> > >>> > Two failed to high pitch and oversped. Mine went to coarse pitch. >>> Two of >>> the three actually breached to wall of PG resulting in massive oil >>> leakage >>> that you wouldn't know about until it is gone. >>> > >>> > Several entities working on this. I personally would not fly an >>> aircraft >>> with this PG until this is resolved. >>> > >>> > -------- >>> > Myron Nelson >>> > Mesa, AZ >>> > Flew May 10 2014 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Read this topic online here: >>> > >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459523#459523 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> WIKI - >>> lank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2016
One thing that I will add is that I get what experimental aviation is all about and that we exist and are successful because we all absorb liability for own misfortunes. However, this is a now at least a three peat failure of a CERTIFIED part, each one of which sold carried a chunk of liability insurance cost for just these types of failures that we paid for ourselves in the purchase cost. I'm not looking for anything other than being made whole and for preventing something like this from happening in the future with, God forbid, less fortunate results. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459538#459538 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sandra & Rick" <jrlark(at)bmts.com>
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Guys my governor chewed itself up internally, the bushing spun on the drive shaft, which opened up a misshaped hole in the housing, which allowed the gears inside to scallop and gouge the inside. The unit was tested and had more than 50% leakage, ie it wasn't putting out enough pressure to operate the prop blades. Unfortunately from the onset there was no indication of a problem other than the over speed, which I eventually adjusted out by moving the arm on the splined shaft. Had I not taken the governor off and tested it, I would have probably kept flying. Since it happened on the very first flight of my -10, I had no reason to suspect anything was amiss. Of course MT is bearing no responsibility from the emails I've seen so far....... Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:08 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. One thing that I will add is that I get what experimental aviation is all about and that we exist and are successful because we all absorb liability for own misfortunes. However, this is a now at least a three peat failure of a CERTIFIED part, each one of which sold carried a chunk of liability insurance cost for just these types of failures that we paid for ourselves in the purchase cost. I'm not looking for anything other than being made whole and for preventing something like this from happening in the future with, God forbid, less fortunate results. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459538#459538 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Date: Aug 16, 2016
I've checked the plate on my MT860-3 manufactured in 11/10 but it says made by Avia-Propeller not by Jihostroj. It looks as well a tad different then the one on the pictures from Myron. Cheers Werner ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David" <dlm34077(at)cox.net>
Subject: prop govenor faillures
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Having just been through an insurance claim on a teardown on a certificated Lycoming IO540 D4A5, I have some tips for the pilots who are facing that now and who are dealing with adjustors and insurance companies. Call me at 4 eight zero six two six four zero four 8. David --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Mine actually says AVIA as well. Big news day. Update to follow -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459554#459554 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Ctoday's adventures. 1. There are now four confirmed failures. Details on the fourth are forthcoming, but apparently happened on first flight. My flight time was 235 hours, I believe one other was 140ish and another over 1000. 2. Of the three previously known and described here, all three units were shipped by Van's in a five month span of late 1011/early 2012. 3. Alan Barrett gave me a list of things to do to check my engine. Unfortunately, we found significant metal in the finger filter and the main oil filter media. There was only about 12 hours on the oil since last check which was clean. 4. Hartzell said that since mine over torqued instead of oversped, the prop wasn't necessarily toast but because of metal in oil, the prop would need to be torn down and serviced. Hartzell was already fully aware of the situation when I called them. 5: Obviously all red arrows point to MT, with Van's, Lycoming, Hartzell, and BPE being coincidences. (So far). The MT-USA office keeps pointing to the German office which I have yet to talk to because they close at 8:00 am Pacific time and are on some kind of holiday as well. 6. My insurance is AIG with Gallagher. They were very up to date on the issue before I called and are trying to be helpful. They are working with at least one of the other parties as well. An AIG adjuster is meeting with me at the hangar tomorrow. __________________ -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459555#459555 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Neal George <neal.george(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: prop govenor faillures
Date: Aug 16, 2016
David, Please consider posting your tips here so we all learn... Neal George Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:25 PM, David wrote: > > Having just been through an insurance claim on a teardown on a certificate d Lycoming IO540 D4A5, I have some tips for the pilots who are facing that n ow and who are dealing with adjustors and insurance companies. Call me at 4 e ight zero six two six four zero four 8. > > David > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sandra & Rick" <jrlark(at)bmts.com>
Subject: FW: MT Governor failure
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, during my very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which heated the crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. Unfortunately I didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was destroyed (first flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this etc). Engine was torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was replaced. Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like internally. #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of the gouging, #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the bushing should have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing rotating in the housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears were located, #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 shows the house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine drive and where the bushing used to be located. Rick Southampton, Ont Vans # 40956 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky nothing has happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a loss as to how to proceed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but I wonder if I shouldn't just bite the bullet and go to a different brand. Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it matters, but I have an MT 12B prop. Thanks, Shannon On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" wrote: > Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. > > All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, during my > very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which heated the > crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. Unfortunately I > didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was destroyed (first > flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this etc). Engine was > torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was replaced. > > Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like internally. > #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of the gouging, > #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the bushing should > have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing rotating in the > housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears were located, > #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 shows the > house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine drive and where > the > bushing used to be located. > > Rick > Southampton, Ont > Vans # 40956 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
I'm curious as to whether Rick's failure is related to the failures of Myron and Todd. It seems to me that Rick's failure is directly related to the published SB (Matching SN and bearing issue). Myron and Todd's both has SN's outside the SB and experienced broken metal as opposed to a rotating bushing. It seems to me like Ricks failure, while very significant, expensive, noteworthy, and concerning, is unrelated to the recent failures.... Am I right? Phil On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky nothing has > happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a loss as to how to > proceed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but I wonder if I shouldn't > just bite the bullet and go to a different brand. > > Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it matters, but I > have an MT 12B prop. > > Thanks, > Shannon > > On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" wrote: > >> Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. >> >> All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, during my >> very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which heated the >> crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. Unfortunately >> I >> didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was destroyed >> (first >> flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this etc). Engine was >> torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was replaced. >> >> Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like internally. >> #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of the gouging, >> #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the bushing should >> have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing rotating in the >> housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears were located, >> #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 shows the >> house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine drive and where >> the >> bushing used to be located. >> >> Rick >> Southampton, Ont >> Vans # 40956 >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sandra & Rick" <jrlark(at)bmts.com>
Subject: Failed MT governor
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Hi all, looks like I messed up the attached pictures. I'll try again. Here are a few pictures of what my governor looked like internally. #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of the gouging, #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the bushing should have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing rotating in the housing. I will send the other half separately. Rick Southampton, Ont Vans #40956 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sandra & Rick" <jrlark(at)bmts.com>
Subject: MT Governor failure
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Here's the rest of the pictures. I must point out I had to take my governor to Ohio as there are no repair facilities in Canada for MT governors. I took it to Tiffin Aire (Tiffin, OH). Mike Baird the manager I dealt with was very good to me and certainly helped secure a brand new replacement governor from MT for me. I did end up paying $340 USD for duty, shipping etc. Rick Southampton, Ont #40956 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sandra & Rick" <jrlark(at)bmts.com>
Subject: FW: MT Governor failure
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Phil you are correct, it is a different failure. The one fact I wonder about is whether Myron and Todd failures somehow started with the bushing? Does anyone know? Unfortunately I can=99t figure out how to post any pictures on Matronics. Anyone know how? Rick From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:40 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: MT Governor failure I'm curious as to whether Rick's failure is related to the failures of Myron and Todd. It seems to me that Rick's failure is directly related to the published SB (Matching SN and bearing issue). Myron and Todd's both has SN's outside the SB and experienced broken metal as opposed to a rotating bushing. It seems to me like Ricks failure, while very significant, expensive, noteworthy, and concerning, is unrelated to the recent failures.... Am I right? Phil On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky nothing has happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a loss as to how to proceed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but I wonder if I shouldn't just bite the bullet and go to a different brand. Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it matters, but I have an MT 12B prop. Thanks, Shannon On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" wrote: Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, during my very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which heated the crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. Unfortunately I didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was destroyed (first flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this etc). Engine was torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was replaced. Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like internally. #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of the gouging, #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the bushing should have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing rotating in the housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears were located, #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 shows the house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine drive and where the bushing used to be located. Rick Southampton, Ont Vans # 40956 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
Date: Aug 16, 2016
I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the same timeframe and t hey are probably just differing failures but still related to some issue tha t came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial number range is insuffici ent. Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 that we would hear o f more if there were a large number of failures. That said, if your governo r was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even if your governor isn't with in the S/N range. Tim > On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > I'm curious as to whether Rick's failure is related to the failures of Myr on and Todd. It seems to me that Rick's failure is directly related to the published SB (Matching SN and bearing issue). Myron and Todd's both has S N's outside the SB and experienced broken metal as opposed to a rotating bus hing. > > It seems to me like Ricks failure, while very significant, expensive, note worthy, and concerning, is unrelated to the recent failures.... > > Am I right? > > Phil > >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Shannon Hicks wrot e: >> You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky nothing has happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a loss as to how to proc eed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but I wonder if I shouldn't just bi te the bullet and go to a different brand. >> >> Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it matters, but I have an MT 12B prop. >> >> Thanks, >> Shannon >> >> >>> On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" wrote: >>> Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. >>> >>> All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, during m y >>> very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which heated the >>> crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. Unfortunatel y I >>> didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was destroyed (fi rst >>> flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this etc). Engine was >>> torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was replaced. >>> >>> Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like internally. >>> #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of the gougin g, >>> #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the bushing shoul d >>> have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing rotating in the >>> housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears were located, >>> #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 shows th e >>> house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine drive and where the >>> bushing used to be located. >>> >>> Rick >>> Southampton, Ont >>> Vans # 40956 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
Date: Aug 16, 2016
For those in need of an alternative, here is the governor I am using for my YIO-540-D4A5 with my Hartzell Blended Airfoil Propeller. Jeff Carpenter N410CF Flying On Aug 16, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the same timeframe and they are probably just differing failures but still related to some issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial number range is insufficient. > Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 that we would hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That said, if your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even if your governor isn't within the S/N range. > Tim > > On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > >> I'm curious as to whether Rick's failure is related to the failures of Myron and Todd. It seems to me that Rick's failure is directly related to the published SB (Matching SN and bearing issue). Myron and Todd's both has SN's outside the SB and experienced broken metal as opposed to a rotating bushing. >> >> It seems to me like Ricks failure, while very significant, expensive, noteworthy, and concerning, is unrelated to the recent failures.... >> >> Am I right? >> >> Phil >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: >> You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky nothing has happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a loss as to how to proceed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but I wonder if I shouldn't just bite the bullet and go to a different brand. >> >> Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it matters, but I have an MT 12B prop. >> >> Thanks, >> Shannon >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" wrote: >> Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. >> >> All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, during my >> very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which heated the >> crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. Unfortunately I >> didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was destroyed (first >> flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this etc). Engine was >> torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was replaced. >> >> Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like internally. >> #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of the gouging, >> #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the bushing should >> have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing rotating in the >> housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears were located, >> #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 shows the >> house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine drive and where the >> bushing used to be located. >> >> Rick >> Southampton, Ont >> Vans # 40956 >> Westcott Press 1121 Isabel Street Burbank, CA 91506 jeff(at)westcottpress.com 818-861-7300 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
Date: Aug 16, 2016
For those looking for an alternative governor, here is what I am using with my YIO-540-D4A5 and Hartzell Blended Airfoil. This was recommended to me by Gary Sobek. PCU5000.COM I purchased through: Ameritech Industries dba American Propeller Service Repair Station No. NO3R717L 20208 Charlanne Drive Redding, CA 96002 Phone: (530) 221 4470 Fax: (530) 221 5210 Email: sales@ameritech-aviation.com Jeff Carpenter N410CF Flying On Aug 16, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the same timeframe and they are probably just differing failures but still related to some issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial number range is insufficient. > Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 that we would hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That said, if your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even if your governor isn't within the S/N range. > Tim > > On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > >> I'm curious as to whether Rick's failure is related to the failures of Myron and Todd. It seems to me that Rick's failure is directly related to the published SB (Matching SN and bearing issue). Myron and Todd's both has SN's outside the SB and experienced broken metal as opposed to a rotating bushing. >> >> It seems to me like Ricks failure, while very significant, expensive, noteworthy, and concerning, is unrelated to the recent failures.... >> >> Am I right? >> >> Phil >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: >> You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky nothing has happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a loss as to how to proceed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but I wonder if I shouldn't just bite the bullet and go to a different brand. >> >> Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it matters, but I have an MT 12B prop. >> >> Thanks, >> Shannon >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" wrote: >> Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. >> >> All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, during my >> very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which heated the >> crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. Unfortunately I >> didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was destroyed (first >> flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this etc). Engine was >> torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was replaced. >> >> Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like internally. >> #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of the gouging, >> #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the bushing should >> have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing rotating in the >> housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears were located, >> #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 shows the >> house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine drive and where the >> bushing used to be located. >> >> Rick >> Southampton, Ont >> Vans # 40956 >> Westcott Press 1121 Isabel Street Burbank, CA 91506 jeff(at)westcottpress.com 818-861-7300 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Well, I have pretty much the same governor and prop. My governor is a -5, which came direct from MT in Germany, but that may or may not be a difference. I have the same MT 3 blade prop Vans sells. I made some minor modifications to my flight today with these issues in mind...to minimize time over water, away from roads or civilization, but mad 4.5 hour flight to get myself and plane home. Where to go from here will depend a lot on the reports. No one wants to do a teardown, or have a lot of expenses not covered by insurance. Nor do we want to have hangar queens awaiting a solution. I have to look up the service bulletin and see if my governor falls in that range. Has anyone posted the service bulletin? On 8/16/2016 5:26 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky nothing > has happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a loss as to how > to proceed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but I wonder if I > shouldn't just bite the bullet and go to a different brand. > > Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it matters, but > I have an MT 12B prop. > > Thanks, > Shannon > > > On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" > wrote: > > Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. > > All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, > during my > very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which heated the > crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. > Unfortunately I > didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was destroyed > (first > flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this etc). Engine was > torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was replaced. > > Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like internally. > #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of the > gouging, > #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the bushing > should > have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing rotating in the > housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears were located, > #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 > shows the > house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine drive and > where the > bushing used to be located. > > Rick > Southampton, Ont > Vans # 40956 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
Here's the link to all the SB's Kelly... The SB that's been discussed here is #27. http://www.mt-propeller.com/en/entw/serviced.htm Phil On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Well, I have pretty much the same governor and prop. My governor is a -5, > which came direct from MT in Germany, but that may or may not be a > difference. I have the same MT 3 blade prop Vans sells. > I made some minor modifications to my flight today with these issues in > mind...to minimize time over water, away from roads or civilization, but > mad 4.5 hour flight to get myself and plane home. Where to go from here > will depend a lot on the reports. No one wants to do a teardown, or have a > lot of expenses not covered by insurance. Nor do we want to have hangar > queens awaiting a solution. > I have to look up the service bulletin and see if my governor falls in > that range. Has anyone posted the service bulletin? > > On 8/16/2016 5:26 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > >> You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky nothing >> has happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a loss as to how >> to proceed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but I wonder if I >> shouldn't just bite the bullet and go to a different brand. >> >> Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it matters, but >> I have an MT 12B prop. >> >> Thanks, >> Shannon >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" > > wrote: >> >> Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. >> >> All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, >> during my >> very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which heated the >> crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. >> Unfortunately I >> didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was destroyed >> (first >> flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this etc). Engine >> was >> torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was replaced. >> >> Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like >> internally. >> #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of the >> gouging, >> #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the bushing >> should >> have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing rotating in >> the >> housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears were >> located, >> #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 >> shows the >> house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine drive and >> where the >> bushing used to be located. >> >> Rick >> Southampton, Ont >> Vans # 40956 >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2016
Thanks Phil. I sure thought you would be flying before I first got into the air. On 8/16/2016 7:15 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > Here's the link to all the SB's Kelly... The SB that's been discussed > here is #27. > > http://www.mt-propeller.com/en/entw/serviced.htm > > Phil > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > > > > > Well, I have pretty much the same governor and prop. My governor is > a -5, which came direct from MT in Germany, but that may or may not > be a difference. I have the same MT 3 blade prop Vans sells. > I made some minor modifications to my flight today with these issues > in mind...to minimize time over water, away from roads or > civilization, but mad 4.5 hour flight to get myself and plane home. > Where to go from here will depend a lot on the reports. No one wants > to do a teardown, or have a lot of expenses not covered by > insurance. Nor do we want to have hangar queens awaiting a solution. > I have to look up the service bulletin and see if my governor falls > in that range. Has anyone posted the service bulletin? > > On 8/16/2016 5:26 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > > You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky > nothing > has happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a loss as > to how > to proceed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but I wonder if I > shouldn't just bite the bullet and go to a different brand. > > Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it > matters, but > I have an MT 12B prop. > > Thanks, > Shannon > > > On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" > >> wrote: > > Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. > > All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, > during my > very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which > heated the > crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. > Unfortunately I > didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was > destroyed > (first > flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this > etc). Engine was > torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was > replaced. > > Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like > internally. > #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some > of the > gouging, > #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the > bushing > should > have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing > rotating in the > housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears > were located, > #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 > shows the > house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine > drive and > where the > bushing used to be located. > > Rick > Southampton, Ont > Vans # 40956 > > > =================================== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > =================================== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > =================================== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
Date: Aug 16, 2016
I was thinking we'd be up about the same time. I got stuck communing 3.5 hours each way to work on the plane and I did it every single week for a year and a half. That really slowed me down. Last December I finally got a hangar in Waco and could finally move the plane up here with us. Now it's just a 10 minute walk from the house to the airport. It's within striking distance to flying (I think). Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > Thanks Phil. I sure thought you would be flying before I first got into the air. > >> On 8/16/2016 7:15 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: >> Here's the link to all the SB's Kelly... The SB that's been discussed >> here is #27. >> >> http://www.mt-propeller.com/en/entw/serviced.htm >> >> Phil >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Kelly McMullen > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> Well, I have pretty much the same governor and prop. My governor is >> a -5, which came direct from MT in Germany, but that may or may not >> be a difference. I have the same MT 3 blade prop Vans sells. >> I made some minor modifications to my flight today with these issues >> in mind...to minimize time over water, away from roads or >> civilization, but mad 4.5 hour flight to get myself and plane home. >> Where to go from here will depend a lot on the reports. No one wants >> to do a teardown, or have a lot of expenses not covered by >> insurance. Nor do we want to have hangar queens awaiting a solution. >> I have to look up the service bulletin and see if my governor falls >> in that range. Has anyone posted the service bulletin? >> >> On 8/16/2016 5:26 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: >> >> You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky >> nothing >> has happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a loss as >> to how >> to proceed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but I wonder if I >> shouldn't just bite the bullet and go to a different brand. >> >> Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it >> matters, but >> I have an MT 12B prop. >> >> Thanks, >> Shannon >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" > >> >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, so here is the rest of my storey. >> >> All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, 2016, >> during my >> very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which >> heated the >> crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. >> Unfortunately I >> didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was >> destroyed >> (first >> flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this >> etc). Engine was >> torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was >> replaced. >> >> Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like >> internally. >> #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some >> of the >> gouging, >> #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the >> bushing >> should >> have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing >> rotating in the >> housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears >> were located, >> #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, #2082 >> shows the >> house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine >> drive and >> where the >> bushing used to be located. >> >> Rick >> Southampton, Ont >> Vans # 40956 >> >> >> =================================== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Date: Aug 17, 2016
I had just this morning an email feedback from MT Germany, they are working on a new SB which should cover the impacted serial numbers so they now seem to be aware of what is causing this issue? Werner On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: > I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the same timeframe > and they are probably just differing failures but still related to some > issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial number range > is insufficient. > Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 that we would > hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That said, if > your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even if your > governor isn't within the S/N range. > Tim > > On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Phillip Perry > wrote: > >> I'm curious as to whether Rick's failure is related to the failures of >> Myron and Todd. It seems to me that Rick's failure is directly >> related to the published SB (Matching SN and bearing issue). Myron >> and Todd's both has SN's outside the SB and experienced broken metal >> as opposed to a rotating bushing. >> >> It seems to me like Ricks failure, while very significant, expensive, >> noteworthy, and concerning, is unrelated to the recent failures.... >> >> Am I right? >> >> Phil >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Shannon Hicks > > wrote: >> >> You are right under me on the SB list. I feel EXTREMELY lucky >> nothing has happened in my 135 hours of flight. I am really at a >> loss as to how to proceed here. MT has my governor for the SB, but >> I wonder if I shouldn't just bite the bullet and go to a different >> brand. >> >> Is there a better mouse trap out there? I'm not sure if it >> matters, but I have an MT 12B prop. >> >> Thanks, >> Shannon >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2016 7:16 PM, "Sandra & Rick" > > wrote: >> >> Hi all, so here is the rest of my story. >> >> All in all not too impressive. This happened on April 27, >> 2016, during my >> very first flight. Engine over speed to 3060 rpm, which >> heated the >> crankshaft thrust surface and caused multiple heat checks. >> Unfortunately I >> didn't respond as quickly as I could have so the crank was >> destroyed (first >> flight, just coming off the runway, not expecting this etc). >> Engine was >> torn apart, none destructive tested and crank shaft was replaced. >> >> Here are a few picture of what my governor looked like >> internally. >> #2083 shows the bushing that was seized, #2084 shows some of >> the gouging, >> #2089 shows the make, serial # etc, #2092 shows where the >> bushing should >> have been, there were sharp ridges etc from the bushing >> rotating in the >> housing, #2095 show one side of the area where the gears >> were located, >> #2096 shows the same area, opposite side, as does #2098, >> #2082 shows the >> house where the drive shaft passed through to the engine drive >> and where the >> bushing used to be located. >> >> Rick >> Southampton, Ont >> Vans # 40956 >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Front seat belts - Part 2
From: Ron Walker <n520tx(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2016
Hello again everyone-- I just finished countersinking the cabin top attach points for the shoulder belts (Thanks Lew!) and promptly attempted installation of the nice new belts that I received from CROW. Imagine my surprise when I discover that the shoulder attach point fitting is for a 1/4" mount, not a 5/16". Got off the phone with CROW with them telling me that there is no 5/16" attach for these belts - in fact, he just sent a dozen sets to Vans for the RV10 that have the same 1/4" mounting hole. Triple checking the plans, and it is indeed a 5/16 hole that goes there ... I don't want to expand the 1/4" myself, to much material would be removed. Am I just not asking the right questions here ? Anyone else go through this ? --Ron On 07/13/2016 03:19 PM, Ron Walker wrote: > > Time for me to install the front seat belts. I don't want to go with > the Vans offering, they have come undone in my 7a too many times to > trust. Does anyone have the measurements handy ? I think the critical > distance is the shoulder straps where they merge into the "Y" behind > your neck, then progress to the hard point on the cabin top. > > Or better yet, the exact model number for a CROW offering of seatbelts > that would work in the front ? > > --Ron > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Front seat belts - Part 2
Date: Aug 17, 2016
Nope - not an issue with Hooker Harness. Assuming you maintain edge distance you can drill them out. I guess as alternative you can use a 1/4" screw. What have others done? Regardless of what you do, recommend: - Adding 6-8 bids of glass on the inside of the canopy top, 6" square or so to provide some meat for the screw. After you countersink the screw the top get pretty thin. - Use a screw that is long enough so you can add a thin nut just on the inside of the cabin to lock it in place. That way you can remove the second nut holding the belt on without worrying about the screw spinning and messing up your finish. - When you put the screw through the top, flatten the screw head to make it square and embed it in flox. Once set you can sand smooth then final fill with micro balloons. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Walker Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 12:54 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front seat belts - Part 2 Hello again everyone-- I just finished countersinking the cabin top attach points for the shoulder belts (Thanks Lew!) and promptly attempted installation of the nice new belts that I received from CROW. Imagine my surprise when I discover that the shoulder attach point fitting is for a 1/4" mount, not a 5/16". Got off the phone with CROW with them telling me that there is no 5/16" attach for these belts - in fact, he just sent a dozen sets to Vans for the RV10 that have the same 1/4" mounting hole. Triple checking the plans, and it is indeed a 5/16 hole that goes there ... I don't want to expand the 1/4" myself, to much material would be removed. Am I just not asking the right questions here ? Anyone else go through this ? --Ron On 07/13/2016 03:19 PM, Ron Walker wrote: > > Time for me to install the front seat belts. I don't want to go with > the Vans offering, they have come undone in my 7a too many times to > trust. Does anyone have the measurements handy ? I think the critical > distance is the shoulder straps where they merge into the "Y" behind > your neck, then progress to the hard point on the cabin top. > > Or better yet, the exact model number for a CROW offering of seatbelts > that would work in the front ? > > --Ron > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2016
Subject: Re: Front seat belts - Part 2
I just used the stock bolts, and then got 5/16(ID) and 1/4(OD) spacers from Mcmaster Carr. On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> > > Nope - not an issue with Hooker Harness. > > Assuming you maintain edge distance you can drill them out. I guess as > alternative you can use a 1/4" screw. What have others done? > > Regardless of what you do, recommend: > - Adding 6-8 bids of glass on the inside of the canopy top, 6" square or so > to provide some meat for the screw. After you countersink the screw the > top > get pretty thin. > - Use a screw that is long enough so you can add a thin nut just on the > inside of the cabin to lock it in place. That way you can remove the > second > nut holding the belt on without worrying about the screw spinning and > messing up your finish. > - When you put the screw through the top, flatten the screw head to make it > square and embed it in flox. Once set you can sand smooth then final fill > with micro balloons. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Walker > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 12:54 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front seat belts - Part 2 > > > Hello again everyone-- > > I just finished countersinking the cabin top attach points for the shoulder > belts (Thanks Lew!) and promptly attempted installation of the nice new > belts that I received from CROW. Imagine my surprise when I discover that > the shoulder attach point fitting is for a 1/4" mount, not a 5/16". > > Got off the phone with CROW with them telling me that there is no 5/16" > attach for these belts - in fact, he just sent a dozen sets to Vans for the > RV10 that have the same 1/4" mounting hole. > > Triple checking the plans, and it is indeed a 5/16 hole that goes there ... > I don't want to expand the 1/4" myself, to much material would be removed. > > Am I just not asking the right questions here ? Anyone else go through this > ? > > --Ron > > > On 07/13/2016 03:19 PM, Ron Walker wrote: > > > > Time for me to install the front seat belts. I don't want to go with > > the Vans offering, they have come undone in my 7a too many times to > > trust. Does anyone have the measurements handy ? I think the critical > > distance is the shoulder straps where they merge into the "Y" behind > > your neck, then progress to the hard point on the cabin top. > > > > Or better yet, the exact model number for a CROW offering of seatbelts > > that would work in the front ? > > > > --Ron > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David" <dlm34077(at)cox.net>
Subject: CA weather
Date: Aug 18, 2016
I am planning a trip to the Monterey area in late October and looking at the current weather of fog morning and evening, I began to wonder what to expect in October. Anyone have info on typical conditions in October along the coast in the Monterey area? David N46007 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with S/N 10G598G is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to be fixed (this is manufactured in 2010 Werner On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: > I had just this morning an email feedback from MT Germany, they are > working on a new SB which should cover the impacted serial numbers so > they now seem to be aware of what is causing this issue? > > Werner > > On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: >> I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the same timeframe >> and they are probably just differing failures but still related to some >> issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial number range >> is insufficient. >> Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 that we would >> hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That said, if >> your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even if your >> governor isn't within the S/N range. >> Tim >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
Werner, What engine do you have? I have an Aerosport Power IO-540 with 9.2:1 pistons and MT is telling me that mine is impacted as well. From talking with MT in Florida, the engine is what is driving the modification requirements. Ie Barret, Aerosport etc.... Is this what others are hearing as well? Shannon Hicks On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Werner Schneider wrote: > > I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with > > S/N 10G598G > > is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to be fixed (this is > manufactured in 2010 > > Werner > > On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: > >> I had just this morning an email feedback from MT Germany, they are >> working on a new SB which should cover the impacted serial numbers so they >> now seem to be aware of what is causing this issue? >> >> Werner >> >> On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: >> >>> I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the same timeframe >>> and they are probably just differing failures but still related to some >>> issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial number range >>> is insufficient. >>> Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 that we would >>> hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That said, if >>> your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even if your >>> governor isn't within the S/N range. >>> Tim >>> >>> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Thanks Werner, If you are talking to someone there, see if you can get a feeling for what the EARLIEST date a governor would have if it were affected. I'm betting that we'll find it's somewhere after 2009 or 2010, but I'll be more comfortable if I heard what they had to say. Tim On 8/18/2016 9:20 AM, Werner Schneider wrote: > > I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with > > S/N 10G598G > > is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to be fixed (this > is manufactured in 2010 > > Werner > > On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: >> I had just this morning an email feedback from MT Germany, they are >> working on a new SB which should cover the impacted serial numbers so >> they now seem to be aware of what is causing this issue? >> >> Werner >> >> On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: >>> I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the same timeframe >>> and they are probably just differing failures but still related to some >>> issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial number range >>> is insufficient. >>> Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 that we would >>> hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That said, if >>> your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even if your >>> governor isn't within the S/N range. >>> Tim >>> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Did they tell you what the fix is and how their modification differs from the standard/defective batch? Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Werner Schneider wrote: > > > I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with > > S/N 10G598G > > is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to be fixed (this is manufactured in 2010 > > Werner > >> On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: >> I had just this morning an email feedback from MT Germany, they are working on a new SB which should cover the impacted serial numbers so they now seem to be aware of what is causing this issue? >> >> Werner >> >>> On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: >>> I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the same timeframe >>> and they are probably just differing failures but still related to some >>> issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial number range >>> is insufficient. >>> Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 that we would >>> hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That said, if >>> your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even if your >>> governor isn't within the S/N range. >>> Tim > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
I might see higher compression pistons affecting the prop via harmonics. I do not see what else about the engines would have anything to do with who put them together. For the most part, engines built by the reputable shops mentioned will have flow balanced cylinders, well balanced rotating parts and run smoother than a factory engine. I see nothing about that has anything to do with the governor. So far we are not getting any information beyond the service bulletin about where the problem might lie. On 8/18/2016 7:29 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > Werner, > What engine do you have? > > I have an Aerosport Power IO-540 with 9.2:1 pistons and MT is telling me > that mine is impacted as well. From talking with MT in Florida, the > engine is what is driving the modification requirements. Ie Barret, > Aerosport etc.... > > Is this what others are hearing as well? > > Shannon Hicks > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Werner Schneider > wrote: > > > > > I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with > > S/N 10G598G > > is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to be fixed > (this is manufactured in 2010 > > Werner > > On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: > > I had just this morning an email feedback from MT Germany, they > are working on a new SB which should cover the impacted serial > numbers so they now seem to be aware of what is causing this issue? > > Werner > > On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: > > I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the > same timeframe > and they are probably just differing failures but still > related to some > issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial > number range > is insufficient. > Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 > that we would > hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That > said, if > your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even > if your > governor isn't within the S/N range. > Tim > > > =================================== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > =================================== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > =================================== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
Kelly, I'm just passing along what MT in Florida told me. They have my governor in their shop and told me they have the parts on order from Germany to correct the issue. Beyond that, I don't know what the specific issue was other than they said it only affects non certified IO-540s. I really wish someone from MT would at least get out in front of this and post something. Shannon Hicks On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I might see higher compression pistons affecting the prop via harmonics. I > do not see what else about the engines would have anything to do with who > put them together. For the most part, engines built by the reputable shops > mentioned will have flow balanced cylinders, well balanced rotating parts > and run smoother than a factory engine. I see nothing about that has > anything to do with the governor. So far we are not getting any information > beyond the service bulletin about where the problem might lie. > > On 8/18/2016 7:29 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > >> Werner, >> What engine do you have? >> >> I have an Aerosport Power IO-540 with 9.2:1 pistons and MT is telling me >> that mine is impacted as well. From talking with MT in Florida, the >> engine is what is driving the modification requirements. Ie Barret, >> Aerosport etc.... >> >> Is this what others are hearing as well? >> >> Shannon Hicks >> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Werner Schneider > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with >> >> S/N 10G598G >> >> is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to be fixed >> (this is manufactured in 2010 >> >> Werner >> >> On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: >> >> I had just this morning an email feedback from MT Germany, they >> are working on a new SB which should cover the impacted serial >> numbers so they now seem to be aware of what is causing this >> issue? >> >> Werner >> >> On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the >> same timeframe >> and they are probably just differing failures but still >> related to some >> issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial >> number range >> is insufficient. >> Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 >> that we would >> hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That >> said, if >> your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even >> if your >> governor isn't within the S/N range. >> Tim >> >> >> >> =================================== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mat >> ronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Subject: Re: CA weather
Hi David, I'm based at Watsonville just to the north of KMRY. October typically has about the best weather of the year in Monterey, and June-August about the foggiest. You could see a little fog, especially before 10AM or so, but there are Salinas, Marina, and Watsonville as nearby alternates. For the most part it should be pretty nice. --Dave On Thursday, August 18, 2016, David wrote: > I am planning a trip to the Monterey area in late October and looking at > the current weather of fog morning and evening, I began to wonder what to > expect in October. Anyone have info on typical conditions in October along > the coast in the Monterey area? > > > David N46007 > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
They did ask the engine type and as I have two governors from them one on a O-320 and the 2nd for an IO-540 I got only feedback by email so far (still need to supply the O-320 serial which is at the airport). They did not specific ask for the type details so I'm not sure it has an influence. I had so far only email contact but will try to get more details. Cheers Werner On 18.08.2016 16:42, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I might see higher compression pistons affecting the prop via harmonics. > I do not see what else about the engines would have anything to do with > who put them together. For the most part, engines built by the reputable > shops mentioned will have flow balanced cylinders, well balanced > rotating parts and run smoother than a factory engine. I see nothing > about that has anything to do with the governor. So far we are not > getting any information beyond the service bulletin about where the > problem might lie. > > On 8/18/2016 7:29 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: >> Werner, >> What engine do you have? >> >> I have an Aerosport Power IO-540 with 9.2:1 pistons and MT is telling me >> that mine is impacted as well. From talking with MT in Florida, the >> engine is what is driving the modification requirements. Ie Barret, >> Aerosport etc.... >> >> Is this what others are hearing as well? >> >> Shannon Hicks >> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Werner Schneider > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with >> >> S/N 10G598G >> >> is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to be fixed >> (this is manufactured in 2010 >> >> Werner >> >> On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: >> >> I had just this morning an email feedback from MT Germany, they >> are working on a new SB which should cover the impacted serial >> numbers so they now seem to be aware of what is causing this >> issue? >> >> Werner >> >> On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the >> same timeframe >> and they are probably just differing failures but still >> related to some >> issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial >> number range >> is insufficient. >> Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 >> that we would >> hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That >> said, if >> your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even >> if your >> governor isn't within the S/N range. >> Tim >> >> >> >> =================================== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Me too as Tim and mine are same vintage! grumpy > On Aug 18, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > > Thanks Werner, > > If you are talking to someone there, see if you can get a feeling for > what the EARLIEST date a governor would have if it were affected. > I'm betting that we'll find it's somewhere after 2009 or 2010, > but I'll be more comfortable if I heard what they had to say. > Tim > > > On 8/18/2016 9:20 AM, Werner Schneider wrote: >> >> I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with >> >> S/N 10G598G >> >> is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to be fixed (this >> is manufactured in 2010 >> >> Werner >> >> On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: >>> I had just this morning an email feedback from MT Germany, they are >>> working on a new SB which should cover the impacted serial numbers so >>> they now seem to be aware of what is causing this issue? >>> >>> Werner >>> >>> On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: >>>> I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the same timeframe >>>> and they are probably just differing failures but still related to some >>>> issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial number range >>>> is insufficient. >>>> Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 that we would >>>> hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That said, if >>>> your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even if your >>>> governor isn't within the S/N range. >>>> Tim >>>> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
Ok, so I just hung up with Andy with MT in Germany. Here is what he told me. In certain situations, the fly weights can become loose and cause the failures that we have seen. They have already identified the modifications needed and will be publishing SB 31 this coming Monday. All 860-3 governors manufactured between April 2010 and July 2013 are affected regardless of the type of engine. I did encourage him to post something so that they could get ahead of the issue. By the way, my governor is in that range. Shannon Hicks On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > Kelly, > I'm just passing along what MT in Florida told me. They have my governor > in their shop and told me they have the parts on order from Germany to > correct the issue. Beyond that, I don't know what the specific issue was > other than they said it only affects non certified IO-540s. > > I really wish someone from MT would at least get out in front of this and > post something. > > Shannon Hicks > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > >> >> I might see higher compression pistons affecting the prop via harmonics. >> I do not see what else about the engines would have anything to do with who >> put them together. For the most part, engines built by the reputable shops >> mentioned will have flow balanced cylinders, well balanced rotating parts >> and run smoother than a factory engine. I see nothing about that has >> anything to do with the governor. So far we are not getting any information >> beyond the service bulletin about where the problem might lie. >> >> On 8/18/2016 7:29 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: >> >>> Werner, >>> What engine do you have? >>> >>> I have an Aerosport Power IO-540 with 9.2:1 pistons and MT is telling me >>> that mine is impacted as well. From talking with MT in Florida, the >>> engine is what is driving the modification requirements. Ie Barret, >>> Aerosport etc.... >>> >>> Is this what others are hearing as well? >>> >>> Shannon Hicks >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Werner Schneider >> > wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with >>> >>> S/N 10G598G >>> >>> is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to be fixed >>> (this is manufactured in 2010 >>> >>> Werner >>> >>> On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: >>> >>> I had just this morning an email feedback from MT Germany, they >>> are working on a new SB which should cover the impacted serial >>> numbers so they now seem to be aware of what is causing this >>> issue? >>> >>> Werner >>> >>> On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: >>> >>> I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the >>> same timeframe >>> and they are probably just differing failures but still >>> related to some >>> issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB serial >>> number range >>> is insufficient. >>> Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 >>> that we would >>> hear of more if there were a large number of failures. That >>> said, if >>> your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be concerned even >>> if your >>> governor isn't within the S/N range. >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> =================================== >>> -List" rel="noreferrer" >>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> =================================== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> =================================== >>> WIKI - >>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>> =================================== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mat >>> ronics.com/contribution >>> =================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Interesting. I wonder what non-certified features they perceive as issues. Ignition?, Compression ratio? fuel injection? That should cover most of it. Doesn't give me any comfort to have a certified engine built by a well known reputable shop. I've only heard of ignition affecting props, somehow modifying the harmonics a bit, but that still should have nothing to do with the governor. On 8/18/2016 7:53 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > Kelly, > I'm just passing along what MT in Florida told me. They have my > governor in their shop and told me they have the parts on order from > Germany to correct the issue. Beyond that, I don't know what the > specific issue was other than they said it only affects non certified > IO-540s. > > I really wish someone from MT would at least get out in front of this > and post something. > > Shannon Hicks > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > > > > > I might see higher compression pistons affecting the prop via > harmonics. I do not see what else about the engines would have > anything to do with who put them together. For the most part, > engines built by the reputable shops mentioned will have flow > balanced cylinders, well balanced rotating parts and run smoother > than a factory engine. I see nothing about that has anything to do > with the governor. So far we are not getting any information beyond > the service bulletin about where the problem might lie. > > On 8/18/2016 7:29 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > > Werner, > What engine do you have? > > I have an Aerosport Power IO-540 with 9.2:1 pistons and MT is > telling me > that mine is impacted as well. From talking with MT in Florida, the > engine is what is driving the modification requirements. Ie Barret, > Aerosport etc.... > > Is this what others are hearing as well? > > Shannon Hicks > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Werner Schneider > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with > > S/N 10G598G > > is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to be fixed > (this is manufactured in 2010 > > Werner > > On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: > > I had just this morning an email feedback from MT > Germany, they > are working on a new SB which should cover the impacted > serial > numbers so they now seem to be aware of what is causing > this issue? > > Werner > > On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: > > I'm thinking that most of them were delivered around the > same timeframe > and they are probably just differing failures but still > related to some > issue that came around that timeframe. I bet the SB > serial > number range > is insufficient. > Because there are so many MT governors flying since 2005 > that we would > hear of more if there were a large number of > failures. That > said, if > your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be > concerned even > if your > governor isn't within the S/N range. > Tim > > > =================================== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> > =================================== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > <http://forums.matronics.com> > =================================== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > <http://wiki.matronics.com> > =================================== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > =================================== > > > =================================== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > =================================== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > =================================== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
I need to correct this, MT Germany did ONLY ask for the serial numbers not what type of engine! I try tomorrow to find out more abot what is behind but you can imagine they are busy.... Werner On 18.08.2016 17:01, Werner Schneider wrote: > > They did ask the engine type and as I have two governors from them one > on a O-320 and the 2nd for an IO-540 I got only feedback by email so > far (still need to supply the O-320 serial which is at the airport). > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
OK. Will have to see what the bulletin says, as I have 860-5 mfd 06/13. On 8/18/2016 8:10 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > Ok, so I just hung up with Andy with MT in Germany. Here is what he > told me. In certain situations, the fly weights can become loose and > cause the failures that we have seen. They have already identified the > modifications needed and will be publishing SB 31 this coming Monday. > All 860-3 governors manufactured between April 2010 and July 2013 are > affected regardless of the type of engine. > > I did encourage him to post something so that they could get ahead of > the issue. > > By the way, my governor is in that range. > > Shannon Hicks > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Shannon Hicks > wrote: > > Kelly, > I'm just passing along what MT in Florida told me. They have my > governor in their shop and told me they have the parts on order from > Germany to correct the issue. Beyond that, I don't know what the > specific issue was other than they said it only affects non > certified IO-540s. > > I really wish someone from MT would at least get out in front of > this and post something. > > Shannon Hicks > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > > > > > I might see higher compression pistons affecting the prop via > harmonics. I do not see what else about the engines would have > anything to do with who put them together. For the most part, > engines built by the reputable shops mentioned will have flow > balanced cylinders, well balanced rotating parts and run > smoother than a factory engine. I see nothing about that has > anything to do with the governor. So far we are not getting any > information beyond the service bulletin about where the problem > might lie. > > On 8/18/2016 7:29 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > > Werner, > What engine do you have? > > I have an Aerosport Power IO-540 with 9.2:1 pistons and MT > is telling me > that mine is impacted as well. From talking with MT in > Florida, the > engine is what is driving the modification requirements. Ie > Barret, > Aerosport etc.... > > Is this what others are hearing as well? > > Shannon Hicks > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Werner Schneider > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > I got this morning a feedback from MT, that my Governor with > > S/N 10G598G > > is impacted and that I should send it to the factory to > be fixed > (this is manufactured in 2010 > > Werner > > On 17.08.2016 08:32, Werner Schneider wrote: > > I had just this morning an email feedback from MT > Germany, they > are working on a new SB which should cover the > impacted serial > numbers so they now seem to be aware of what is > causing this issue? > > Werner > > On 17.08.2016 03:03, Tim Olson wrote: > > I'm thinking that most of them were delivered > around the > same timeframe > and they are probably just differing failures > but still > related to some > issue that came around that timeframe. I bet > the SB serial > number range > is insufficient. > Because there are so many MT governors flying > since 2005 > that we would > hear of more if there were a large number of > failures. That > said, if > your governor was from 2011 thru 2013, I'd be > concerned even > if your > governor isn't within the S/N range. > Tim > > > =================================== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> > =================================== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > <http://forums.matronics.com> > =================================== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > <http://wiki.matronics.com> > =================================== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > =================================== > > > =================================== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > =================================== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > =================================== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David" <dlm34077(at)cox.net>
Subject: weather Monterey CA
Date: Aug 18, 2016
I have flown some LIFR over my last 50 years but it is nice to know that thing will probably be good in October. The company from which I retired 20+ years ago is having a reunion there at the Hyatt. I have a reservation there but someone has suggested the ASILOMAR lodging; any thoughts there? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: MT Governor failure
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
No I know why his phone was all the time busy :) Thanks Shannon! On 18.08.2016 17:10, Shannon Hicks wrote: > Ok, so I just hung up with Andy with MT in Germany. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: weather Monterey CA
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
It's been a long time but as I recall Asilomar is a retreat-conference-type place, just a bit rustic. But not convenient to the downtown Hyatt. BTW, if departing in IMC or night, take a look at the minimum climb gradients eastbound. Some years ago a twin inexplicably took his time climbing and failed to clear the hills to the east. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459616#459616 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: weather Monterey CA
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
BTW, if you plan to explore the area, you'll want a rental car. But otherwise the Hyatt is a short taxi ride, and the wharf area (restaurants) and the aquarium are within walking distance. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459617#459617 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David" <dlm34077(at)cox.net>
Subject: MT prop governor
Date: Aug 18, 2016
My prop governor is an MT P-420-17, serial 044016; I was one of the initial purchasers of the certificated Lycoming IO540D4A5 from Vans. I believe the engine came from Lycoming with the governor already installed. If I understand correctly all the failures on the RV10 were the P-860-3 models, so it seems that the "narrow deck" governor has not had a problem. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Hi I was a bit concerned that my PCU5000X governor might have an exposure to the MT issue. I was *told* that they shared common parts. To make a long story short I sport to APS who distributes these units. Here is the note I received from them (I told Sean I would post it here). So for those facing the MT issue, there is another choice.... Cheers Les Les, Briefly going over what we discussed earlier, the Aero Technologies, LLC PCU5000X is manufactured by Jihostroj in the Czech Republic, we started our partnership back in 2004 and it continues to today. MT Propellers governor is manufactured by AVIA also in the Czech Republic but it is a competing company with its own proprietary design. VAF Special is the code to use if you want a PCU5000X at $1,250.00 USD plus shipping, normal MSRP is $1,600.00 USD. Thank you for the phone call and being a loyal aviator. Sean O'Keefe Business Unit Manager Aircraft Propeller Service, LLC D.B.A. Aero Technologies, LLC 595 Telser Road Lake Zurich, IL 60047 1(847) 541-1133 ext. 109 Direct Line 1(224) 676-6909 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459620#459620 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
philperry9 wrote: > Basically I was just saying that I wouldn't knowingly be running it on the lower end.. If carry as much as possible without giving it so much that it would blow out. > > > I should have mentioned that 90 kts was the limp-along speed reported without over speeding (again). > > > The over speeding has occurred in 2 of the 3. Both of those props became decorations and the engine cases split for inspection. (I believe 1 owner found it was cheaper/better to buy a new IO-540 than to repair the existing one. That's 2nd hand knowledge from a reasonably good source though, so don't hold me to it if it's wrong.) > > > Phil > > Sorry about the tardiness of this post as I just became aware of these threads here on Matronics as I don't visit here anymore. Anyway, Phil is correct that I limped home at 90 knots for about 20 min. I lost about 1/2 to 3/4 of a qt of oil in the process (started the day with 8). Of course at the time I had no idea that I was losing oil at all--all I knew was I had no prop control and anything above 14" would run the RPM to redline. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace RV-10 N728TT Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459621#459621 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
The P-860-3 IS the correct governor for narrow deck engines. P-860-5 IS the correct governor for wide deck engines. Vans has sold for at least the past 10 years or more the P-860-3 for all engines, wide or narrow deck. It can be adjusted to work with the wide deck, just isn't what MT recommends. I am running IO-540-D4B5 certified, overhauled engine from LyCon in Visailia with P-860-5 governor manufactured in June of 2013. Time will tell whether it is also involved. (the B5 variant has the big Bendix S-1200 magnetos for better high altitude performance). Saw Myron's governor today. On 8/18/2016 2:43 PM, David wrote: > My prop governor is an MT P-420-17, serial 044016; I was one of the > initial purchasers of the certificated Lycoming IO540D4A5 from Vans. I > believe the engine came from Lycoming with the governor already > installed. If I understand correctly all the failures on the RV10 were > the P-860-3 models, so it seems that the narrow deck governor has not > had a problem. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Perhaps it's just me, but having MT develop a solution to the gov so quickly makes me uneasy. To my knowledge, none if the failed gov's have been forensically examined by MT in a lab. Yet, they're getting ready to publish a solution? Isn't step #1 to the solution a root cause analysis? Even with a SB coming out, I'm still uneasy and ultimately skeptical that the solution addresses a problem that isn't fully understood by them. Or, perhaps they HAVE known the details and fully understood the potential for failure, but failed to address it until the units began failing in the field? I know that's conspiracy theory stuff, but it would be the only way they could develop a solution for failures they haven't researched. Either way, I'm uneasy with a solution that comes out of MT without having real analysis performed on the failed parts. Just had to get that off my chest because I feel like others are thinking (or feeling) the same thing. Thanks for letting me rant for just a moment..... Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2016, at 4:54 PM, tsts4 wrote: > > > > philperry9 wrote: >> Basically I was just saying that I wouldn't knowingly be running it on the lower end.. If carry as much as possible without giving it so much that it would blow out. >> >> >> I should have mentioned that 90 kts was the limp-along speed reported without over speeding (again). >> >> >> The over speeding has occurred in 2 of the 3. Both of those props became decorations and the engine cases split for inspection. (I believe 1 owner found it was cheaper/better to buy a new IO-540 than to repair the existing one. That's 2nd hand knowledge from a reasonably good source though, so don't hold me to it if it's wrong.) >> >> >> Phil > > > Sorry about the tardiness of this post as I just became aware of these threads here on Matronics as I don't visit here anymore. > > Anyway, Phil is correct that I limped home at 90 knots for about 20 min. I lost about 1/2 to 3/4 of a qt of oil in the process (started the day with 8). Of course at the time I had no idea that I was losing oil at all--all I knew was I had no prop control and anything above 14" would run the RPM to redline. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace > RV-10 N728TT > Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459621#459621 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
I agree with Phil 100%. Every time I speak with MT, I get a new "Definitive" answer. I am really disappointed in how MT has handled this situation so far. This does not give me great confidence in their company. I wish they would come out publicly and at least tell us they are looking into it. All of the info we have is second hand and most contradictory. Shannon On Thursday, August 18, 2016, Phillip Perry wrote: > > > > Perhaps it's just me, but having MT develop a solution to the gov so > quickly makes me uneasy. > > To my knowledge, none if the failed gov's have been forensically examined > by MT in a lab. > > Yet, they're getting ready to publish a solution? > > Isn't step #1 to the solution a root cause analysis? > > Even with a SB coming out, I'm still uneasy and ultimately skeptical that > the solution addresses a problem that isn't fully understood by them. > > Or, perhaps they HAVE known the details and fully understood the potentia l > for failure, but failed to address it until the units began failing in th e > field? I know that's conspiracy theory stuff, but it would be the only w ay > they could develop a solution for failures they haven't researched. > > Either way, I'm uneasy with a solution that comes out of MT without havin g > real analysis performed on the failed parts. > > Just had to get that off my chest because I feel like others are thinking > (or feeling) the same thing. Thanks for letting me rant for just a > moment..... > > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 18, 2016, at 4:54 PM, tsts4 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > philperry9 wrote: > >> Basically I was just saying that I wouldn't knowingly be running it on > the lower end.. If carry as much as possible without giving it so much > that it would blow out. > >> > >> > >> I should have mentioned that 90 kts was the limp-along speed reported > without over speeding (again). > >> > >> > >> The over speeding has occurred in 2 of the 3. Both of those props > became decorations and the engine cases split for inspection. =EF=BD ( I believe > 1 owner found it was cheaper/better to buy a new IO-540 than to repair th e > existing one. That's 2nd hand knowledge from a reasonably good source > though, so don't hold me to it if it's wrong.) > >> > >> > >> Phil > > > > > > Sorry about the tardiness of this post as I just became aware of these > threads here on Matronics as I don't visit here anymore. > > > > Anyway, Phil is correct that I limped home at 90 knots for about 20 > min. I lost about 1/2 to 3/4 of a qt of oil in the process (started the > day with 8). Of course at the time I had no idea that I was losing oil at > all--all I knew was I had no prop control and anything above 14" would r un > the RPM to redline. > > > > -------- > > Todd Stovall > > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace > > RV-10 N728TT > > Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing > > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459621#459621 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
They may have had some information from the racing/aerobatic community. The Red Bull racers from my understanding used MT governors as well as props on their IO-540s. I can check, as one or two of them are based at my home 'drome. On 8/18/2016 5:59 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > I agree with Phil 100%. Every time I speak with MT, I get a new > "Definitive" answer. I am really disappointed in how MT has handled this > situation so far. This does not give me great confidence in their company. > > I wish they would come out publicly and at least tell us they are > looking into it. All of the info we have is second hand and most > contradictory. > > Shannon > > On Thursday, August 18, 2016, Phillip Perry > wrote: > > > > > Perhaps it's just me, but having MT develop a solution to the gov so > quickly makes me uneasy. > > To my knowledge, none if the failed gov's have been forensically > examined by MT in a lab. > > Yet, they're getting ready to publish a solution? > > Isn't step #1 to the solution a root cause analysis? > > Even with a SB coming out, I'm still uneasy and ultimately skeptical > that the solution addresses a problem that isn't fully understood by > them. > > Or, perhaps they HAVE known the details and fully understood the > potential for failure, but failed to address it until the units > began failing in the field? I know that's conspiracy theory stuff, > but it would be the only way they could develop a solution for > failures they haven't researched. > > Either way, I'm uneasy with a solution that comes out of MT without > having real analysis performed on the failed parts. > > Just had to get that off my chest because I feel like others are > thinking (or feeling) the same thing. Thanks for letting me rant > for just a moment..... > > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 18, 2016, at 4:54 PM, tsts4 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > philperry9 wrote: > >> Basically I was just saying that I wouldn't knowingly be running > it on the lower end.. If carry as much as possible without giving > it so much that it would blow out. > >> > >> > >> I should have mentioned that 90 kts was the limp-along speed > reported without over speeding (again). > >> > >> > >> The over speeding has occurred in 2 of the 3. Both of those > props became decorations and the engine cases split for inspection. > (I believe 1 owner found it was cheaper/better to buy a new IO-540 > than to repair the existing one. That's 2nd hand knowledge from a > reasonably good source though, so don't hold me to it if it's wrong.) > >> > >> > >> Phil > > > > > > Sorry about the tardiness of this post as I just became aware of > these threads here on Matronics as I don't visit here anymore. > > > > Anyway, Phil is correct that I limped home at 90 knots for about > 20 min. I lost about 1/2 to 3/4 of a qt of oil in the process > (started the day with 8). Of course at the time I had no idea that > I was losing oil at all--all I knew was I had no prop control and > anything above 14" would run the RPM to redline. > > > > -------- > > Todd Stovall > > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace > > RV-10 N728TT > > Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing > > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts <http://www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts> > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459621#459621 > <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459621#459621> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================== > -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > =================================== > FORUMS - > _blank">http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > WIKI - > lank">http://wiki.matronics.com > =================================== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Guys, I can add that the tone of the emails I have received from MT echo what Phil and Shannon have said. It appears to me they are deflecting any blame, in my opinion, for a poor design and or engineering, which has resulted in significant engine damage. I'm certainly disappointed in them. I hoped they would "step up to the plate". Remains to be seen if they will..... Rick On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Phillip Perry wrote : > > Perhaps it's just me, but having MT develop a solution to the gov so > quickly makes me uneasy. > > To my knowledge, none if the failed gov's have been forensically examined > by MT in a lab. > > Yet, they're getting ready to publish a solution? > > Isn't step #1 to the solution a root cause analysis? > > Even with a SB coming out, I'm still uneasy and ultimately skeptical that > the solution addresses a problem that isn't fully understood by them. > > Or, perhaps they HAVE known the details and fully understood the potentia l > for failure, but failed to address it until the units began failing in th e > field? I know that's conspiracy theory stuff, but it would be the only w ay > they could develop a solution for failures they haven't researched. > > Either way, I'm uneasy with a solution that comes out of MT without havin g > real analysis performed on the failed parts. > > Just had to get that off my chest because I feel like others are thinking > (or feeling) the same thing. Thanks for letting me rant for just a > moment..... > > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 18, 2016, at 4:54 PM, tsts4 wrote: > > > > > > > > philperry9 wrote: > >> Basically I was just saying that I wouldn't knowingly be running it on > the lower end.. If carry as much as possible without giving it so much > that it would blow out. > >> > >> > >> I should have mentioned that 90 kts was the limp-along speed reported > without over speeding (again). > >> > >> > >> The over speeding has occurred in 2 of the 3. Both of those props > became decorations and the engine cases split for inspection. =EF=BD ( I believe > 1 owner found it was cheaper/better to buy a new IO-540 than to repair th e > existing one. That's 2nd hand knowledge from a reasonably good source > though, so don't hold me to it if it's wrong.) > >> > >> > >> Phil > > > > > > Sorry about the tardiness of this post as I just became aware of these > threads here on Matronics as I don't visit here anymore. > > > > Anyway, Phil is correct that I limped home at 90 knots for about 20 > min. I lost about 1/2 to 3/4 of a qt of oil in the process (started the > day with 8). Of course at the time I had no idea that I was losing oil at > all--all I knew was I had no prop control and anything above 14" would r un > the RPM to redline. > > > > -------- > > Todd Stovall > > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace > > RV-10 N728TT > > Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing > > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459621#459621 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
My RPM tracking at moment of PG failure. (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/myronnelson/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps3roqgp1p.jpeg.html) -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459633#459633 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2016
FYI to Hartzell buyers. Van's lists their two Hartzell govs wrong in their catalog. They list them as for "IO" or "O". According to Hartzell, fuel delivery makes no difference. They should be listed as for narrow deck or wide deck. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459634#459634 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FS Hartzell S-1-15 prop governor
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2016
Get one before the run clears them out! I have a Hartzell S-1-15 Prop governor. Made in USA! This unit was shipped by Lycoming on a Thunderbolt 540. This unit was pulled off of a Bearhawk project to serve as a donor unit to get me home from my AOG divert escapade in Tuba City after my MT fail. It has an easy to adapt to arm already installed. This unit has less than two hours operation on it, involving two test runs and a 1.3 hour flight where it worked flawlessly. I bought the owner a brand new replacement one because he deserved it. I can't use this one long term because it is designated for a wide deck engine and I have a narrow deck. Disclaimer. Upon arrival home we did find metal in the finger filter and oil filter media. We drained the oil through a paint filter and found nothing so the filters did their job and the oil was clean. The filter in the PG gasket was also clean. Nevertheless, I would have this unit disassembled, cleaned, and reassembled just in case. If you buy this and damage is found, I will refund your money. $1,000 OBO shipped as is with filter gasket. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459640#459640 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net>
Date: Aug 19, 2016
I know 2nd hand info is always a bit of an unease and it would be great they would announce this things public as well, as having a subscription possibility to their SB's would help. Now the company is tech savvy not Internet savvy so that might explain a bit the shortcoming on that side but is no excuse. I had a call today with MT Germany support and he confirmed he has the list of 860-3 which needs to be fixed, the problem is he needs the manager to sign the SB for release and they have summer holiday... But for everyone in that published time range you can get the support email off their web page and he will openly answer you if your serial is impacted or not. They did, after the first failure and the following once an in deep analysis and could track the issue down so that is why they have that list. Werner On 19.08.2016 02:59, Shannon Hicks wrote: > I agree with Phil 100%. Every time I speak with MT, I get a new > "Definitive" answer. I am really disappointed in how MT has handled this > situation so far. This does not give me great confidence in their company. > > I wish they would come out publicly and at least tell us they are > looking into it. All of the info we have is second hand and most > contradictory. > > Shannon > > On Thursday, August 18, 2016, Phillip Perry > wrote: > > > > > Perhaps it's just me, but having MT develop a solution to the gov so > quickly makes me uneasy. > > To my knowledge, none if the failed gov's have been forensically > examined by MT in a lab. > > Yet, they're getting ready to publish a solution? > > Isn't step #1 to the solution a root cause analysis? > > Even with a SB coming out, I'm still uneasy and ultimately skeptical > that the solution addresses a problem that isn't fully understood by > them. > > Or, perhaps they HAVE known the details and fully understood the > potential for failure, but failed to address it until the units > began failing in the field? I know that's conspiracy theory stuff, > but it would be the only way they could develop a solution for > failures they haven't researched. > > Either way, I'm uneasy with a solution that comes out of MT without > having real analysis performed on the failed parts. > > Just had to get that off my chest because I feel like others are > thinking (or feeling) the same thing. Thanks for letting me rant > for just a moment..... > > Phil > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: MT prop Governor
From: Terry Moushon <tmoushon(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2016
RV10 Engine YIO-540-D4A5 from Vans delivered June 2014 Prop, MT. P-860-3 (s/n 13G124G) manufactured in(2-13) from Vans 46.9 total hours with NO issues An Inquiry to MT Germany, my Governor S/N will be impacted by SB31 when rele ased. I have removed it and sent it to MT USA in Florida for update. I was i nformed that the Tech folks of MT USA (Florida) were in Germany, due back on Monday. Update parts ??? should arrive in Florida in the next few days. IMOP while I don=99t like surprises...the fact that MT responded quick ly/honestly to an email inquiry indicates they are focused on the issue. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2016
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Which PG did they get their hands on for detailed analysis? So far there have been 4 problems with the PG. Rick Lark - Which was an unrelated failure and traced back to SB #27 (Seized Bushing). Todd Stovall and Myron Nelson- Just occurred and were the shove to getting this issue recognized as a trend. That leaves Joel Graber who experienced the very first failure - one that didn't puncture the casing leading to oil loss. Joel sent his back to the US office of MT and they returned it to him with a comment that they'd never seen this before and "governor is scrapped due to overspeed". According to Joel, he "paid them to take it apart and send it back." Unless there's a 5th out there that we aren't aware of, I don't see where any of the three related failures were ever properly examined. Phil On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Werner Schneider wrote: > > I know 2nd hand info is always a bit of an unease and it would be great > they would announce this things public as well, as having a subscription > possibility to their SB's would help. Now the company is tech savvy not > Internet savvy so that might explain a bit the shortcoming on that side but > is no excuse. > > I had a call today with MT Germany support and he confirmed he has the > list of 860-3 which needs to be fixed, the problem is he needs the manager > to sign the SB for release and they have summer holiday... > > But for everyone in that published time range you can get the support > email off their web page and he will openly answer you if your serial is > impacted or not. > > They did, after the first failure and the following once an in deep > analysis and could track the issue down so that is why they have that list. > > Werner > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2016
Been advised second hand that there have been five. Trying to track down the details. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459650#459650 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2016
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Phil my governor was sent back by Tiffin Aire about July 13th. Rick On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Phillip Perry wrote: > Which PG did they get their hands on for detailed analysis? So far there > have been 4 problems with the PG. > > Rick Lark - Which was an unrelated failure and traced back to SB #27 > (Seized Bushing). > Todd Stovall and Myron Nelson- Just occurred and were the shove to getting > this issue recognized as a trend. > > That leaves Joel Graber who experienced the very first failure - one that > didn't puncture the casing leading to oil loss. Joel sent his back to the > US office of MT and they returned it to him with a comment that they'd > never seen this before and "governor is scrapped due to overspeed". > According to Joel, he "paid them to take it apart and send it back." > > Unless there's a 5th out there that we aren't aware of, I don't see where > any of the three related failures were ever properly examined. > > Phil > > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Werner Schneider wrote: > >> >> I know 2nd hand info is always a bit of an unease and it would be great >> they would announce this things public as well, as having a subscription >> possibility to their SB's would help. Now the company is tech savvy not >> Internet savvy so that might explain a bit the shortcoming on that side but >> is no excuse. >> >> I had a call today with MT Germany support and he confirmed he has the >> list of 860-3 which needs to be fixed, the problem is he needs the manager >> to sign the SB for release and they have summer holiday... >> >> But for everyone in that published time range you can get the support >> email off their web page and he will openly answer you if your serial is >> impacted or not. >> >> They did, after the first failure and the following once an in deep >> analysis and could track the issue down so that is why they have that list. >> >> Werner >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2016
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
Yeah... I don't relate your SB #27 failure to the upcoming SB #31 failures. I'm concerned that they are developing a SB for the weight issue without having laid their hands on a failed PG for a detailed analysis... On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Rick Lark wrote: > Phil my governor was sent back by Tiffin Aire about July 13th. > Rick > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Phillip Perry > wrote: > >> Which PG did they get their hands on for detailed analysis? So far >> there have been 4 problems with the PG. >> >> Rick Lark - Which was an unrelated failure and traced back to SB #27 >> (Seized Bushing). >> Todd Stovall and Myron Nelson- Just occurred and were the shove to >> getting this issue recognized as a trend. >> >> That leaves Joel Graber who experienced the very first failure - one that >> didn't puncture the casing leading to oil loss. Joel sent his back to the >> US office of MT and they returned it to him with a comment that they'd >> never seen this before and "governor is scrapped due to overspeed". >> According to Joel, he "paid them to take it apart and send it back." >> >> Unless there's a 5th out there that we aren't aware of, I don't see where >> any of the three related failures were ever properly examined. >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Werner Schneider >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I know 2nd hand info is always a bit of an unease and it would be great >>> they would announce this things public as well, as having a subscription >>> possibility to their SB's would help. Now the company is tech savvy not >>> Internet savvy so that might explain a bit the shortcoming on that side but >>> is no excuse. >>> >>> I had a call today with MT Germany support and he confirmed he has the >>> list of 860-3 which needs to be fixed, the problem is he needs the manager >>> to sign the SB for release and they have summer holiday... >>> >>> But for everyone in that published time range you can get the support >>> email off their web page and he will openly answer you if your serial is >>> impacted or not. >>> >>> They did, after the first failure and the following once an in deep >>> analysis and could track the issue down so that is why they have that list. >>> >>> Werner >>> >>> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2016
In looking more closely at my recorder data on www.savvyanalysis.com, there is something that stands out to me. Prior to my PG failure, there were four monetary upward spikes in my RPM of approx 150RPM each. There were none on the previous segment of the flight, nor on the previous flight. The first one happened 17 minutes prior to the failure. They are just blips with no duration at the peak. I honestly didn't notice them in the flight. I am not expert on any of this stuff, and just started with the software, but, If I were to be in a situation where I was going to fly with one of these PG's, I would set my max RPM alert to 100 rpm higher than what I planned to use at cruise. (I normally cruise at 2300 below 10K and 2400 above). One could do it prior to flight and just deal with the alert on takeoff, or reset the alert level once established in cruise. At any rate, it could give an alert that something is potentially wrong and give more time to GYAOTG -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459686#459686 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail.
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2016
One could set your governor to a max rpm of 2575, which is the redline for the 250 hp rating used in the Aztec and Comanche 250. Or as you suggest, put an alarm in at somewhere around 2500 so you know when you exceed that. On 8/20/2016 9:10 AM, woxofswa wrote: > > In looking more closely at my recorder data on www.savvyanalysis.com, > there is something that stands out to me. > > Prior to my PG failure, there were four momentary upward spikes in my RPM of approx 150RPM each. There were none on the previous segment of the flight, nor on the previous flight. > > The first one happened 17 minutes prior to the failure. They are just blips with no duration at the peak. I honestly didn't notice them in the flight. > I am not expert on any of this stuff, and just started with the software, but, If I were to be in a situation where I was going to fly with one of these PG's, I would set my max RPM alert to 100 rpm higher than what I planned to use at cruise. (I normally cruise at 2300 below 10K and 2400 above). > > One could do it prior to flight and just deal with the alert on takeoff, or reset the alert level once established in cruise. At any rate, it could give an alert that something is potentially wrong and give more time to GYAOTG > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Flew May 10 2014 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459686#459686 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine heater remote activation by WIFI
From: Terry Moushon <tmoushon(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2016
Winter is coming. I installed Reiff engine preheat system which measures 500W. I have access to WIFI at my hanger and am looking for recommendations/PIREP on devices that can be plugged into the wall that will allow me to control via smartphone. I have found a couple devices...but reviews have been less then stellar. Pros/cons/real life experience appreciated. Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine heater remote activation by WIFI
Date: Aug 21, 2016
Several years ago, I built my own but it was with HomeSeer software and X10 switches, etc. Since then, they've become much more integrated. The Belkin WeMo has been out for 3+ years and is still in production, so it can't be all that bad. Looking at the reviews, it's still getting really solid reviews and it's not that expensive at $39. It will connect over wifi or cellular. http://m.belkin.com/us/p/P-F7C027/ Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Terry Moushon wrote: > > > Winter is coming. I installed Reiff engine preheat system which measures 500W. I have access to WIFI at my hanger and am looking for recommendations/PIREP on devices that can be plugged into the wall that will allow me to control via smartphone. I have found a couple devices...but reviews have been less then stellar. Pros/cons/real life experience appreciated. Thanks > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2016
Subject: Re: Engine heater remote activation by WIFI
I guess...only 103 in the hangar today, down from the 1teens of the past month. Might get rid of 100 degree days by October. I'd settle for 85 anyday. -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Terry Moushon wrote: > > Winter is coming. I installed Reiff engine preheat system which measures > 500W. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2016
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter
Anyone have experience with Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter air oil separator? http://www.airflow-systems.com/air-oil-separators I like the idea of not having to plumb a return line. -Sean #40303 (waiting to see if my prop gov is included in SB#31) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter
Date: Aug 22, 2016
Looks neat. I don't have any experience but might also be interested. Any idea on the price, can't find one on the website? Marcus 800 hours Do kit archive > On Aug 22, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > > Anyone have experience with Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter air oil separator? > > http://www.airflow-systems.com/air-oil-separators > > I like the idea of not having to plumb a return line. > > -Sean #40303 (waiting to see if my prop gov is included in SB#31) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter
From: "schmoboy" <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2016
$246.95 at Aircraft Spruce for the RV-10 model. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/superSlime2.php cooprv7(at)yahoo.com wrote: > Looks neat. I don't have any experience but might also be interested. Any idea on the price, can't find one on the website? > > Marcus > 800 hours > > Do kit archive > > > > On Aug 22, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone have experience with Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter air oil separator? > > > > http://www.airflow-systems.com/air-oil-separators > > > > I like the idea of not having to plumb a return line. > > > > -Sean #40303 (waiting to see if my prop gov is included in SB#31) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459784#459784 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
From: Tim Lewis <TimRVator(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 22, 2016
From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf If I read this correctly... P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2) P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees (page 4) P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4). I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor spins faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any internal difference between these models. -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) A&P RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold RV-10 N31TD -- 740 hrs David wrote on 8/18/2016 5:43 PM: > > My prop governor is an MT P-420-17, serial 044016; I was one of the > initial purchasers of the certificated Lycoming IO540D4A5 from Vans. I > believe the engine came from Lycoming with the governor already > installed. If I understand correctly all the failures on the RV10 were > the P-860-3 models, so it seems that the narrow deck governor has > not had a problem. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2016
That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for something for my RV-14. The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM governor on it's front pad, just for those who may stumble on this thread. I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine. Sure, you can get it with a different head position but most of that is adjustable anyway. Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, and in fact buy a longer arm. There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that the IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason I didn't go with them when building...because they were the odd man out in misquoting me which one to use. But then again, it was like pulling teeth to get the information verified at Lycoming too. Tim On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote: > > From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is > at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf > > If I read this correctly... > > P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max > RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2) > > P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear > reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees > (page 4) > > P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction > of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4). > > I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck > IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor spins > faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any internal > difference between these models. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2016
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
Not sure what the intent of the table is. Shows a P-860-19 for the RV-10 with the 2557 rpm. All wide deck 540s have the same gear ratio, and all the narrow deck have the slightly lower gear ration. It has to do with what gear is inside the engine. If you do the math, 2700 times .947 is 2557. -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote: > > From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is at > http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf > > If I read this correctly... > > P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max RPM > of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2) > > P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear > reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees (pag e > 4) > > P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction of > .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4). > > I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck IO-540-C4B5. > It appears from the MT document that the governor spins faster on a wide > deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any internal difference between > these models. > > > -- > Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) > A&P > RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold > RV-10 N31TD -- 740 hrs > > > David wrote on 8/18/2016 5:43 PM: > >> >> My prop governor is an MT P-420-17, serial 044016; I was one of the >> initial purchasers of the certificated Lycoming IO540D4A5 from Vans. I >> believe the engine came from Lycoming with the governor already installe d. >> If I understand correctly all the failures on the RV10 were the P-860-3 >> models, so it seems that the =9Cnarrow deck=9D governor has not had a problem. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2016
Hmmm, The IO-390 IS a wide deck engine, just the cylinders had to use the narrow deck attachment to allow for the extra bore over the IO-360. I too thought it was a narrow deck at first until a Lyc rep explained it to me. You will also see on the IO-580 that it uses the P-860-5, for a wide deck engine. That engine is the same as the -390 with two more cylinders. On 8/22/2016 8:08 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for something > for my RV-14. > The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM > governor on it's > front pad, just for those who may stumble on this thread. > I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine. > Sure, you > can get it with a different head position but most of that is adjustable > anyway. > Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, and > in fact > buy a longer arm. > There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that the > IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason I > didn't > go with them when building...because they were the odd man out in > misquoting me > which one to use. But then again, it was like pulling teeth to get the > information > verified at Lycoming too. > Tim > > > On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote: >> >> From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is >> at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf >> >> If I read this correctly... >> >> P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max >> RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2) >> >> P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear >> reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees >> (page 4) >> >> P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction >> of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4). >> >> I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck >> IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor spins >> faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any internal >> difference between these models. >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2016
I actually had to call Lycoming and have them dig in to the question to get the answer. I don't have the info handy, but there is something that they provided for me on their documentation that basically says the Wide deck engines other than the IO-390 use the .947:1, and then the IO-390 uses the .895:1. I had to get the normal tech support lycoming people to escalate the question though because they too found the info hard to get. At any rate, what bugged me about it is, I literally spent tens of hours trying to get to the bottom of it. I was convinced that everyone else (MT/Van's/Hartzell) was wrong and PCU5000X was right, until Lycoming finally found that info for me. Then once they did, it went the other way. Funny how hard it was to get accurate info...you'd think a certified engine company would have every last detail on their engines, at least the brand new ones. Shocking that they didn't. Tim On 8/22/2016 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Hmmm, > The IO-390 IS a wide deck engine, just the cylinders had to use the > narrow deck attachment to allow for the extra bore over the IO-360. > I too thought it was a narrow deck at first until a Lyc rep explained > it to me. You will also see on the IO-580 that it uses the P-860-5, > for a wide deck engine. That engine is the same as the -390 with two > more cylinders. > > On 8/22/2016 8:08 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for something >> for my RV-14. >> The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM >> governor on it's >> front pad, just for those who may stumble on this thread. >> I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine. >> Sure, you >> can get it with a different head position but most of that is adjustable >> anyway. >> Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, and >> in fact >> buy a longer arm. >> There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that the >> IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason I >> didn't >> go with them when building...because they were the odd man out in >> misquoting me >> which one to use. But then again, it was like pulling teeth to get the >> information >> verified at Lycoming too. >> Tim >> >> >> On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote: >>> >>> From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is >>> at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf >>> >>> If I read this correctly... >>> >>> P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max >>> RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2) >>> >>> P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear >>> reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees >>> (page 4) >>> >>> P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction >>> of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4). >>> >>> I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck >>> IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor spins >>> faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any internal >>> difference between these models. >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: MT prop governor
Date: Aug 23, 2016
I contacted MT about this as well and this was the response I got. They were very quick to respond. Just an FYI Geoff Hi Goeff , No Problem you can go on with flying , your are safe because your manufacturing year is 2008 and not 2010 until 2013. Thank you Best Regards Andreas Seperant Engineering / Tech Support MT-Propeller Entwicklung GmbH Airport Straubing-Wallmuehle D-94348 Atting - GERMANY phone: +49( 0 )9429-9409-44 fax: +49( 0 )9429 - 8432 www.mt-propeller.com Von: g.combs [mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com] Gesendet: Montag, 22. August 2016 13:54 An: Andreas Seperant Betreff: Re: AW: P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F manufactured 16 sept 2008 Andreas I do have a lightspeed ignition system on the left side and a standard slick mag on the right. Is this something to be concerned about Thanks Geoff Sent from my iPhone Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling & Design On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:30 AM, Andreas Seperant <techsupport@mt-propeller.com> wrote: Dear Geoff , Thank you very much for your message and information. Your governor P-860-3 with S/N 08G595-F is not affected from this SB. Just governor which are manufactured between April 2010 and July 2013 and installed on direct drive engine modified with electronic ignition on higher compression pistons are affected. If you have any more question , please let me know. Best Regards Andreas Seperant Engineering / Tech Support MT-Propeller Entwicklung GmbH Airport Straubing-Wallmuehle D-94348 Atting - GERMANY phone: +49( 0 )9429-9409-44 fax: +49( 0 )9429 - 8432 www.mt-propeller.com Von: Geoff Combs [mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 20. August 2016 00:30 An: Andreas Seperant Betreff: P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F manufactured 16 sept 2008 Tech support I have an RV series prop Governor on my RV-10. It has a hartzell 2 blade prop as recommended by Vans. My engine is a narrow deck D4a5 built by Aerosport. I have Been flying this aircraft since 10-15-2009. I have 630 hrs. I have been following the failures on the newer units and was wondering if my unit will be under the new SB 31. P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F Check off record 20800286, manufactured 16 sept 2008 Thanks Geoff Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal, Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 11:36 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop governor I actually had to call Lycoming and have them dig in to the question to get the answer. I don't have the info handy, but there is something that they provided for me on their documentation that basically says the Wide deck engines other than the IO-390 use the .947:1, and then the IO-390 uses the .895:1. I had to get the normal tech support lycoming people to escalate the question though because they too found the info hard to get. At any rate, what bugged me about it is, I literally spent tens of hours trying to get to the bottom of it. I was convinced that everyone else (MT/Van's/Hartzell) was wrong and PCU5000X was right, until Lycoming finally found that info for me. Then once they did, it went the other way. Funny how hard it was to get accurate info...you'd think a certified engine company would have every last detail on their engines, at least the brand new ones. Shocking that they didn't. Tim On 8/22/2016 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Hmmm, > The IO-390 IS a wide deck engine, just the cylinders had to use the > narrow deck attachment to allow for the extra bore over the IO-360. > I too thought it was a narrow deck at first until a Lyc rep explained > it to me. You will also see on the IO-580 that it uses the P-860-5, > for a wide deck engine. That engine is the same as the -390 with two > more cylinders. > > On 8/22/2016 8:08 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for >> something for my RV-14. >> The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM >> governor on it's front pad, just for those who may stumble on this >> thread. >> I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine. >> Sure, you >> can get it with a different head position but most of that is >> adjustable anyway. >> Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, >> and in fact buy a longer arm. >> There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that >> the >> IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason >> I didn't go with them when building...because they were the odd man >> out in misquoting me which one to use. But then again, it was like >> pulling teeth to get the information verified at Lycoming too. >> Tim >> >> >> On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote: >>> >>> From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is >>> at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf >>> >>> If I read this correctly... >>> >>> P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and >>> max RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2) >>> >>> P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear >>> reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees >>> (page 4) >>> >>> P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear >>> reduction of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4). >>> >>> I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck >>> IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor >>> spins faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any >>> internal difference between these models. >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2016
Well, I am not comforted by that response, because Myron's engine AFAIK does not have electronic ignition, just two Bendix 1200 mags, not sure if he has stock or a bit higher compression. I am not convinced that cylinder pressures from rate of combustion or compression ratio have much to do with a governor. Maybe prop harmonics, but is there really that much vibration transmitted internally in the gears of the engine? Given that I don't believe MT has seen any of the recently failed governors to analyze the failures, nor have they release a service bulletin, I just don't think they really are certain about the extent of the problem. My email to MT USA from Friday goes unanswered. On 8/23/2016 6:12 AM, Geoff Combs wrote: > > I contacted MT about this as well and this was the response I got. They were > very quick to respond. > Just an FYI > > Geoff > > > Hi Goeff , > > No Problem you can go on with flying , your are safe because your > manufacturing year is 2008 and not 2010 until 2013. > > Thank you > > Best Regards > > Andreas Seperant > > Engineering / Tech Support > MT-Propeller Entwicklung GmbH > Airport Straubing-Wallmuehle > D-94348 Atting - GERMANY > phone: +49( 0 )9429-9409-44 > fax: +49( 0 )9429 - 8432 > www.mt-propeller.com > > > Von: g.combs [mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 22. August 2016 13:54 > An: Andreas Seperant > Betreff: Re: AW: P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F manufactured 16 sept > 2008 > > Andreas I do have a lightspeed ignition system on the left side and a > standard slick mag on the right. Is this something to be concerned about > > Thanks Geoff > > Sent from my iPhone > Geoff Combs > Aerosport Modeling & Design > > > On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:30 AM, Andreas Seperant <techsupport@mt-propeller.com> > wrote: > Dear Geoff , > > Thank you very much for your message and information. > > Your governor P-860-3 with S/N 08G595-F is not affected from this SB. > > Just governor which are manufactured between April 2010 and July 2013 and > installed on direct drive engine modified with electronic ignition on higher > compression pistons are affected. > > If you have any more question , please let me know. > > > Best Regards > > Andreas Seperant > > Engineering / Tech Support > MT-Propeller Entwicklung GmbH > Airport Straubing-Wallmuehle > D-94348 Atting - GERMANY > phone: +49( 0 )9429-9409-44 > fax: +49( 0 )9429 - 8432 > www.mt-propeller.com > > > Von: Geoff Combs [mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 20. August 2016 00:30 > An: Andreas Seperant > Betreff: P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F manufactured 16 sept 2008 > > Tech support > I have an RV series prop Governor on my RV-10. It has a hartzell 2 blade > prop as recommended by Vans. My engine is a narrow deck D4a5 built by > Aerosport. I have > Been flying this aircraft since 10-15-2009. I have 630 hrs. I have been > following the failures on the newer units and was wondering if my unit will > be under the new > SB 31. > > P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F Check off record 20800286, > manufactured 16 sept 2008 > > Thanks Geoff > > > Geoff Combs > Aerosport Modeling & Design > 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway > Canal, Winchester, Ohio 43110 > 614-834-5227 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 11:36 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop governor > > > I actually had to call Lycoming and have them dig in to the question to get > the answer. > I don't have the info handy, but there is something that they provided for > me on their documentation that basically says the Wide deck engines other > than the > IO-390 use the .947:1, and then the IO-390 uses the .895:1. I had to > get the normal > tech support lycoming people to escalate the question though because they > too found the info hard to get. At any rate, what bugged me about it is, I > literally spent tens of hours trying to get to the bottom of it. I was > convinced that everyone else (MT/Van's/Hartzell) was wrong and PCU5000X was > right, until Lycoming finally found that info for me. Then once they did, > it went the other way. > Funny how hard it was to get accurate info...you'd think a certified engine > company would have every last detail on their engines, at least the brand > new ones. > Shocking that they didn't. > Tim > > > On 8/22/2016 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> Hmmm, >> The IO-390 IS a wide deck engine, just the cylinders had to use the >> narrow deck attachment to allow for the extra bore over the IO-360. >> I too thought it was a narrow deck at first until a Lyc rep explained >> it to me. You will also see on the IO-580 that it uses the P-860-5, >> for a wide deck engine. That engine is the same as the -390 with two >> more cylinders. >> >> On 8/22/2016 8:08 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>> >>> That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for >>> something for my RV-14. >>> The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM >>> governor on it's front pad, just for those who may stumble on this >>> thread. >>> I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine. >>> Sure, you >>> can get it with a different head position but most of that is >>> adjustable anyway. >>> Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, >>> and in fact buy a longer arm. >>> There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that >>> the >>> IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason >>> I didn't go with them when building...because they were the odd man >>> out in misquoting me which one to use. But then again, it was like >>> pulling teeth to get the information verified at Lycoming too. >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote: >>>> >>>> From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is >>>> at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf >>>> >>>> If I read this correctly... >>>> >>>> P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and >>>> max RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2) >>>> >>>> P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear >>>> reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees >>>> (page 4) >>>> >>>> P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear >>>> reduction of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees > (page 4). >>>> >>>> I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck >>>> IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor >>>> spins faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any >>>> internal difference between these models. >>>> >>>> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2016
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
The responded to me really quickly (emailed Sunday night got the response Monday morning). I agree though, not sure why the believe the issue is a mag / compression issue. On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Well, I am not comforted by that response, because Myron's engine AFAIK > does not have electronic ignition, just two Bendix 1200 mags, not sure if > he has stock or a bit higher compression. I am not convinced that cylinder > pressures from rate of combustion or compression ratio have much to do with > a governor. Maybe prop harmonics, but is there really that much vibration > transmitted internally in the gears of the engine? > Given that I don't believe MT has seen any of the recently failed > governors to analyze the failures, nor have they release a service > bulletin, I just don't think they really are certain about the extent of > the problem. My email to MT USA from Friday goes unanswered. > > On 8/23/2016 6:12 AM, Geoff Combs wrote: > >> g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> >> >> I contacted MT about this as well and this was the response I got. They >> were >> very quick to respond. >> Just an FYI >> >> Geoff >> >> >> Hi Goeff , >> >> No Problem you can go on with flying , your are safe because your >> manufacturing year is 2008 and not 2010 until 2013. >> >> Thank you >> >> Best Regards >> >> Andreas Seperant >> >> Engineering / Tech Support >> MT-Propeller Entwicklung GmbH >> Airport Straubing-Wallmuehle >> D-94348 Atting - GERMANY >> phone: +49( 0 )9429-9409-44 >> fax: +49( 0 )9429 - 8432 >> www.mt-propeller.com >> >> >> Von: g.combs [mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com] >> Gesendet: Montag, 22. August 2016 13:54 >> An: Andreas Seperant >> Betreff: Re: AW: P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F manufactured 16 >> sept >> 2008 >> >> Andreas I do have a lightspeed ignition system on the left side and a >> standard slick mag on the right. Is this something to be concerned about >> >> Thanks Geoff >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Geoff Combs >> Aerosport Modeling & Design >> >> >> >> On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:30 AM, Andreas Seperant < >> techsupport@mt-propeller.com> >> wrote: >> Dear Geoff , >> >> Thank you very much for your message and information. >> >> Your governor P-860-3 with S/N 08G595-F is not affected from this SB. >> >> Just governor which are manufactured between April 2010 and July 2013 and >> installed on direct drive engine modified with electronic ignition on >> higher >> compression pistons are affected. >> >> If you have any more question , please let me know. >> >> >> Best Regards >> >> Andreas Seperant >> >> Engineering / Tech Support >> MT-Propeller Entwicklung GmbH >> Airport Straubing-Wallmuehle >> D-94348 Atting - GERMANY >> phone: +49( 0 )9429-9409-44 >> fax: +49( 0 )9429 - 8432 >> www.mt-propeller.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Von: Geoff Combs [mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 20. August 2016 00:30 >> An: Andreas Seperant >> Betreff: P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F manufactured 16 sept 2008 >> >> Tech support >> I have an RV series prop Governor on my RV-10. It has a hartzell 2 blade >> prop as recommended by Vans. My engine is a narrow deck D4a5 built by >> Aerosport. I have >> Been flying this aircraft since 10-15-2009. I have 630 hrs. I have been >> following the failures on the newer units and was wondering if my unit >> will >> be under the new >> SB 31. >> >> P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F Check off record 20800286, >> manufactured 16 sept 2008 >> >> Thanks Geoff >> >> >> Geoff Combs >> Aerosport Modeling & Design >> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway >> Canal, Winchester, Ohio 43110 >> 614-834-5227 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 11:36 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop governor >> >> >> I actually had to call Lycoming and have them dig in to the question to >> get >> the answer. >> I don't have the info handy, but there is something that they provided for >> me on their documentation that basically says the Wide deck engines other >> than the >> IO-390 use the .947:1, and then the IO-390 uses the .895:1. I had to >> get the normal >> tech support lycoming people to escalate the question though because they >> too found the info hard to get. At any rate, what bugged me about it is, >> I >> literally spent tens of hours trying to get to the bottom of it. I was >> convinced that everyone else (MT/Van's/Hartzell) was wrong and PCU5000X >> was >> right, until Lycoming finally found that info for me. Then once they did, >> it went the other way. >> Funny how hard it was to get accurate info...you'd think a certified >> engine >> company would have every last detail on their engines, at least the brand >> new ones. >> Shocking that they didn't. >> Tim >> >> >> On 8/22/2016 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hmmm, >>> The IO-390 IS a wide deck engine, just the cylinders had to use the >>> narrow deck attachment to allow for the extra bore over the IO-360. >>> I too thought it was a narrow deck at first until a Lyc rep explained >>> it to me. You will also see on the IO-580 that it uses the P-860-5, >>> for a wide deck engine. That engine is the same as the -390 with two >>> more cylinders. >>> >>> On 8/22/2016 8:08 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for >>>> something for my RV-14. >>>> The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM >>>> governor on it's front pad, just for those who may stumble on this >>>> thread. >>>> I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine. >>>> Sure, you >>>> can get it with a different head position but most of that is >>>> adjustable anyway. >>>> Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, >>>> and in fact buy a longer arm. >>>> There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that >>>> the >>>> IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason >>>> I didn't go with them when building...because they were the odd man >>>> out in misquoting me which one to use. But then again, it was like >>>> pulling teeth to get the information verified at Lycoming too. >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is >>>>> at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf >>>>> >>>>> If I read this correctly... >>>>> >>>>> P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and >>>>> max RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2) >>>>> >>>>> P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear >>>>> reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees >>>>> (page 4) >>>>> >>>>> P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear >>>>> reduction of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees >>>>> >>>> (page 4). >> >>> >>>>> I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck >>>>> IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor >>>>> spins faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any >>>>> internal difference between these models. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2016
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
I just spoke with MT USA and my governor is being worked on right now and is scheduled to be shipped back to me tomorrow. I confirmed with them that both SB27 and SB31 will be completed and documented even though SB31 has yet to be published. I am in a conundrum though, I have a Hartzell governor being delivered today. I'm not sure if I will install it or the rebuilt MT. Shannon On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:26 AM, John Trollinger wrote: > The responded to me really quickly (emailed Sunday night got the response > Monday morning). I agree though, not sure why the believe the issue is a > mag / compression issue. > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > >> >> Well, I am not comforted by that response, because Myron's engine AFAIK >> does not have electronic ignition, just two Bendix 1200 mags, not sure if >> he has stock or a bit higher compression. I am not convinced that cylinder >> pressures from rate of combustion or compression ratio have much to do with >> a governor. Maybe prop harmonics, but is there really that much vibration >> transmitted internally in the gears of the engine? >> Given that I don't believe MT has seen any of the recently failed >> governors to analyze the failures, nor have they release a service >> bulletin, I just don't think they really are certain about the extent of >> the problem. My email to MT USA from Friday goes unanswered. >> >> On 8/23/2016 6:12 AM, Geoff Combs wrote: >> >>> g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> >>> >>> I contacted MT about this as well and this was the response I got. They >>> were >>> very quick to respond. >>> Just an FYI >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> Hi Goeff , >>> >>> No Problem you can go on with flying , your are safe because your >>> manufacturing year is 2008 and not 2010 until 2013. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Best Regards >>> >>> Andreas Seperant >>> >>> Engineering / Tech Support >>> MT-Propeller Entwicklung GmbH >>> Airport Straubing-Wallmuehle >>> D-94348 Atting - GERMANY >>> phone: +49( 0 )9429-9409-44 >>> fax: +49( 0 )9429 - 8432 >>> www.mt-propeller.com >>> >>> >>> Von: g.combs [mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com] >>> Gesendet: Montag, 22. August 2016 13:54 >>> An: Andreas Seperant >>> Betreff: Re: AW: P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F manufactured 16 >>> sept >>> 2008 >>> >>> Andreas I do have a lightspeed ignition system on the left side and a >>> standard slick mag on the right. Is this something to be concerned about >>> >>> Thanks Geoff >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Geoff Combs >>> Aerosport Modeling & Design >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:30 AM, Andreas Seperant < >>> techsupport@mt-propeller.com> >>> wrote: >>> Dear Geoff , >>> >>> Thank you very much for your message and information. >>> >>> Your governor P-860-3 with S/N 08G595-F is not affected from this SB. >>> >>> Just governor which are manufactured between April 2010 and July 2013 and >>> installed on direct drive engine modified with electronic ignition on >>> higher >>> compression pistons are affected. >>> >>> If you have any more question , please let me know. >>> >>> >>> Best Regards >>> >>> Andreas Seperant >>> >>> Engineering / Tech Support >>> MT-Propeller Entwicklung GmbH >>> Airport Straubing-Wallmuehle >>> D-94348 Atting - GERMANY >>> phone: +49( 0 )9429-9409-44 >>> fax: +49( 0 )9429 - 8432 >>> www.mt-propeller.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Von: Geoff Combs [mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com] >>> Gesendet: Samstag, 20. August 2016 00:30 >>> An: Andreas Seperant >>> Betreff: P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F manufactured 16 sept 2008 >>> >>> Tech support >>> I have an RV series prop Governor on my RV-10. It has a hartzell 2 blade >>> prop as recommended by Vans. My engine is a narrow deck D4a5 built by >>> Aerosport. I have >>> Been flying this aircraft since 10-15-2009. I have 630 hrs. I have been >>> following the failures on the newer units and was wondering if my unit >>> will >>> be under the new >>> SB 31. >>> >>> P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F Check off record 20800286, >>> manufactured 16 sept 2008 >>> >>> Thanks Geoff >>> >>> >>> Geoff Combs >>> Aerosport Modeling & Design >>> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway >>> Canal, Winchester, Ohio 43110 >>> 614-834-5227 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 11:36 PM >>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop governor >>> >>> >>> I actually had to call Lycoming and have them dig in to the question to >>> get >>> the answer. >>> I don't have the info handy, but there is something that they provided >>> for >>> me on their documentation that basically says the Wide deck engines other >>> than the >>> IO-390 use the .947:1, and then the IO-390 uses the .895:1. I had to >>> get the normal >>> tech support lycoming people to escalate the question though because they >>> too found the info hard to get. At any rate, what bugged me about it >>> is, I >>> literally spent tens of hours trying to get to the bottom of it. I was >>> convinced that everyone else (MT/Van's/Hartzell) was wrong and PCU5000X >>> was >>> right, until Lycoming finally found that info for me. Then once they >>> did, >>> it went the other way. >>> Funny how hard it was to get accurate info...you'd think a certified >>> engine >>> company would have every last detail on their engines, at least the brand >>> new ones. >>> Shocking that they didn't. >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> On 8/22/2016 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hmmm, >>>> The IO-390 IS a wide deck engine, just the cylinders had to use the >>>> narrow deck attachment to allow for the extra bore over the IO-360. >>>> I too thought it was a narrow deck at first until a Lyc rep explained >>>> it to me. You will also see on the IO-580 that it uses the P-860-5, >>>> for a wide deck engine. That engine is the same as the -390 with two >>>> more cylinders. >>>> >>>> On 8/22/2016 8:08 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for >>>>> something for my RV-14. >>>>> The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM >>>>> governor on it's front pad, just for those who may stumble on this >>>>> thread. >>>>> I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine. >>>>> Sure, you >>>>> can get it with a different head position but most of that is >>>>> adjustable anyway. >>>>> Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, >>>>> and in fact buy a longer arm. >>>>> There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that >>>>> the >>>>> IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason >>>>> I didn't go with them when building...because they were the odd man >>>>> out in misquoting me which one to use. But then again, it was like >>>>> pulling teeth to get the information verified at Lycoming too. >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is >>>>>> at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> If I read this correctly... >>>>>> >>>>>> P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and >>>>>> max RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2) >>>>>> >>>>>> P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear >>>>>> reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees >>>>>> (page 4) >>>>>> >>>>>> P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear >>>>>> reduction of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees >>>>>> >>>>> (page 4). >>> >>>> >>>>>> I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck >>>>>> IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor >>>>>> spins faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any >>>>>> internal difference between these models. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> =================================== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig >> ator?RV10-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2016
I just got a reply from MT that my -5 governor is listed on preliminary copy of Service Bulletin. First I have heard that more than just -3 governors are involved. On 8/23/2016 7:26 AM, John Trollinger wrote: > The responded to me really quickly (emailed Sunday night got the > response Monday morning). I agree though, not sure why the believe the > issue is a mag / compression issue. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Aug 23, 2016
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From: Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2016
Subject: Re: : RV10-List:
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Date: Aug 23, 2016
From: pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
Anyone know what the cost is to comply with the service bulletins? -----Original Message----- From: John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 7:28 am Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop governor The responded to me really quickly (emailed Sunday night got the response Monday morning). I agree though, not sure why the believe the issue is a mag / compression issue. On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: Well, I am not comforted by that response, because Myron's engine AFAIK does not have electronic ignition, just two Bendix 1200 mags, not sure if he has stock or a bit higher compression. I am not convinced that cylinder pressures from rate of combustion or compression ratio have much to do with a governor. Maybe prop harmonics, but is there really that much vibration transmitted internally in the gears of the engine? Given that I don't believe MT has seen any of the recently failed governors to analyze the failures, nor have they release a service bulletin, I just don't think they really are certain about the extent of the problem. My email to MT USA from Friday goes unanswered. On 8/23/2016 6:12 AM, Geoff Combs wrote: I contacted MT about this as well and this was the response I got. They were very quick to respond. Just an FYI Geoff Hi Goeff , No Problem you can go on with flying , your are safe because your manufacturing year is 2008 and not 2010 until 2013. Thank you Best Regards Andreas Seperant Engineering / Tech Support MT-Propeller Entwicklung GmbH Airport Straubing-Wallmuehle D-94348 Atting - GERMANY phone: +49( 0 )9429-9409-44 fax: +49( 0 )9429 - 8432 www.mt-propeller.com Von: g.combs [mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com] Gesendet: Montag, 22. August 2016 13:54 An: Andreas Seperant Betreff: Re: AW: P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F manufactured 16 sept 2008 Andreas I do have a lightspeed ignition system on the left side and a standard slick mag on the right. Is this something to be concerned about Thanks Geoff Sent from my iPhone Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling & Design On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:30 AM, Andreas Seperant <techsupport@mt-propeller.com> wrote: Dear Geoff , Thank you very much for your message and information. Your governor P-860-3 with S/N 08G595-F is not affected from this SB. Just governor which are manufactured between April 2010 and July 2013 and installed on direct drive engine modified with electronic ignition on higher compression pistons are affected. If you have any more question , please let me know. Best Regards Andreas Seperant Engineering / Tech Support MT-Propeller Entwicklung GmbH Airport Straubing-Wallmuehle D-94348 Atting - GERMANY phone: +49( 0 )9429-9409-44 fax: +49( 0 )9429 - 8432 www.mt-propeller.com Von: Geoff Combs [mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 20. August 2016 00:30 An: Andreas Seperant Betreff: P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F manufactured 16 sept 2008 Tech support I have an RV series prop Governor on my RV-10. It has a hartzell 2 blade prop as recommended by Vans. My engine is a narrow deck D4a5 built by Aerosport. I have Been flying this aircraft since 10-15-2009. I have 630 hrs. I have been following the failures on the newer units and was wondering if my unit will be under the new SB 31. P-860-3 prop governor serial #08G595-F Check off record 20800286, manufactured 16 sept 2008 Thanks Geoff Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal, Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 11:36 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop governor I actually had to call Lycoming and have them dig in to the question to get the answer. I don't have the info handy, but there is something that they provided for me on their documentation that basically says the Wide deck engines other than the IO-390 use the .947:1, and then the IO-390 uses the .895:1. I had to get the normal tech support lycoming people to escalate the question though because they too found the info hard to get. At any rate, what bugged me about it is, I literally spent tens of hours trying to get to the bottom of it. I was convinced that everyone else (MT/Van's/Hartzell) was wrong and PCU5000X was right, until Lycoming finally found that info for me. Then once they did, it went the other way. Funny how hard it was to get accurate info...you'd think a certified engine company would have every last detail on their engines, at least the brand new ones. Shocking that they didn't. Tim On 8/22/2016 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: Hmmm, The IO-390 IS a wide deck engine, just the cylinders had to use the narrow deck attachment to allow for the extra bore over the IO-360. I too thought it was a narrow deck at first until a Lyc rep explained it to me. You will also see on the IO-580 that it uses the P-860-5, for a wide deck engine. That engine is the same as the -390 with two more cylinders. On 8/22/2016 8:08 PM, Tim Olson wrote: That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for something for my RV-14. The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM governor on it's front pad, just for those who may stumble on this thread. I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine. Sure, you can get it with a different head position but most of that is adjustable anyway. Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, and in fact buy a longer arm. There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that the IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason I didn't go with them when building...because they were the odd man out in misquoting me which one to use. But then again, it was like pulling teeth to get the information verified at Lycoming too. Tim On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote: >From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf If I read this correctly... P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2) P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees (page 4) P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4). I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor spins faster on a wide deck IO-540. 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From: John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2016
Subject: Re: MT prop governor
Here is the email I got this morning: Dear John, Your governor P-860-3 S/N 11G153G is affected from the planned SB 31 . Such governors with more than 100 hours of operation must be modified within the next 25 hours or by January 2017. So please contact your next MT propeller Service Centre and send the governor in for modification , visit for this our homepage with the following link: http://www.mt-propeller.com/en/entw/services.htm If you have any more question , please let me know Thank you Best Regards Andreas Seperant John On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I just got a reply from MT that my -5 governor is listed on preliminary > copy of Service Bulletin. First I have heard that more than just -3 > governors are involved. > > On 8/23/2016 7:26 AM, John Trollinger wrote: > >> The responded to me really quickly (emailed Sunday night got the >> response Monday morning). I agree though, not sure why the believe the >> issue is a mag / compression issue. >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2016
Another option is the Hartzell gov. Model S-1-26 for Narrow Deck 540s Model S-1-32 for Wide Deck 540s And if you use Van's throttle quadrant you need the extension, Hartzell part number 103568 governor arm extension -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF RV-10 N728TT -- Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459937#459937 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "Greg McFarlane" <grbcmcfarlane(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2016
The other alternative is the MT P-860-5 with the gear reduction of .947:1 that MT recommend for the Wide Deck IO 540s that most of the RV10 fleet have. The MT P-860-3 as others, including MT have said has a gear reduction of .895:1 which is recommended for the older narrow deck engines. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459947#459947 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Craig Rufi <craigr60(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2016
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
Thanks, I will return to MT for the service bulletin... Craig On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 3:43 AM, Greg McFarlane wrote: > > > > The other alternative is the MT P-860-5 with the gear reduction of .947:1 > that MT recommend for the Wide Deck IO 540s that most of the RV10 fleet > have. The MT P-860-3 as others, including MT have said has a gear > reduction of .895:1 which is recommended for the older narrow deck engines. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459947#459947 > > -- Thank You, Craig Rufi Email craigr60(at)gmail.com Cell 805 402-6480 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2016
Greg McFarlane wrote: > The other alternative is the MT P-860-5 with the gear reduction of .947:1 that MT recommend for the Wide Deck IO 540s that most of the RV10 fleet have. The MT P-860-3 as others, including MT have said has a gear reduction of .895:1 which is recommended for the older narrow deck engines. That's true. However, in the past week it has been confirmed that: 1. The internals of the -3 and -5 are exactly the same. 2. The ratio difference should not cause a failure. 3. The -5's will be included in the SB. 4. MT and Van's originally recommended the -3 for all 540 engines. 5. Van's sold dozens if not hundreds of -3 units to wide deck owners. I don't believe that Van's catalog even offered a -5 until the outbreak began. 6. Van's offered two Hartzell models with the two ratios, but until recently listed them in the catalog as for "O" or "IO" which doesn't make any difference. 7. Jihostroj used to make the PG's for MT until AVIA took over and they all trace back to an original Czech military design. (so I've been told) Of course all is subject to change on almost a daily basis. I still believe that it is too early to make a definitive decision on anything other than the correct Hartzell for your configuration if you need to fly right away. My opinion only YMMV. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459953#459953 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Aug 27, 2016
Myron I don't agree with your final conclusion. Based on my discussion with APS (who market the PCU5000X), Avia took over the MT PG in 2004. The MT design (from Avia) is different than the PCU5000X and has evolved independently. Since 2004, the Jihostroj has been selling PGs (e.g. the PCU5000X) based on its proprietary design. Personally, I have no problem flying behind my PCU5000X. For info, I repeat Sean's email: Les, Briefly going over what we discussed earlier, the Aero Technologies, LLC PCU5000X is manufactured by Jihostroj in the Czech Republic, we started our partnership back in 2004 and it continues to today. MT Propellers governor is manufactured by AVIA also in the Czech Republic but it is a competing company with its own proprietary design. VAF Special is the code to use if you want a PCU5000X at $1,250.00 USD plus shipping, normal MSRP is $1,600.00 USD. Thank you for the phone call and being a loyal aviator. Sean O'Keefe Business Unit Manager Aircraft Propeller Service, LLC D.B.A. Aero Technologies, LLC 595 Telser Road Lake Zurich, IL 60047 1(847) 541-1133 ext. 109 Direct Line 1(224) 676-6909 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459957#459957 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2016
That's fine. I completely understand. The value of these forums is information and debate. When something like this happens to you, the first thing that happens is you have to make dozens of phone calls. The first time I called MT they said they'd never heard of this issue. The second time I called them, I was told that they (MT-USA) were just a satellite office and that all inquiries would have to be directed to Germany which normal business hours end at 8:00 am my time. When I finally got ahold of Germany, I was told that they were waiting for info back from the CR and that all future info would be handled by the USA office, the VERY OFFICE THAT TOLD ME TO CALL EUROPE. When I called Hartzell, I was immediately connected to a tech rep that spoke my language and spent 45 minutes with me answering questions and later voluntarily spoke with my insurance adjuster to clarify an extremely important issue which saved me a lot of money. I have zero basis to degrade the PCU model. It may be the best there is. I have just garnered a new appreciation for US based companies. We are all creations of the sum of our collective experience. I write this sitting in a VW Passat TDI that VW is about to buy back. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459961#459961 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Date: Aug 27, 2016
Dear Myron That's called nationalism ... Not good, not bad, it's just what it is Regards Carlos (No hard feelings from Europe) Enviado do meu iPhone No dia 27/08/2016, s 23:30, woxofswa escreveu: > > That's fine. I completely understand. The value of these forums is information and debate. > > When something like this happens to you, the first thing that happens is you have to make dozens of phone calls. The first time I called MT they said they'd never heard of this issue. The second time I called them, I was told that they (MT-USA) were just a satellite office and that all inquiries would have to be directed to Germany which normal business hours end at 8:00 am my time. When I finally got ahold of Germany, I was told that they were waiting for info back from the CR and that all future info would be handled by the USA office, the VERY OFFICE THAT TOLD ME TO CALL EUROPE. > > When I called Hartzell, I was immediately connected to a tech rep that spoke my language and spent 45 minutes with me answering questions and later voluntarily spoke with my insurance adjuster to clarify an extremely important issue which saved me a lot of money. > > I have zero basis to degrade the PCU model. It may be the best there is. I have just garnered a new appreciation for US based companies. > > We are all creations of the sum of our collective experience. I write this sitting in a VW Passat TDI that VW is about to buy back. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Flew May 10 2014 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459961#459961 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2016
Carlos, My parents were European. My wife's family Canadian. I spent a good part of my childhood in England and my early Adulthood in Argentina. I possess a European CAA license obtained in Belgium. I just bought my wife a Subaru to replace her beloved VW TDI. I assure you that my "asunto" is one of access and convenience, and not nationalism. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459964#459964 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
I understand! We are both citizens of the world... Hope you solve your prop gov problem Cheers Carlos No dia 28/08/2016, s 00:23, woxofswa escreveu: > > Carlos, > > My parents were European. My wife's family Canadian. I spent a good part of my childhood in England and my early Adulthood in Argentina. I possess a European CAA license obtained in Belgium. I just bought my wife a Subaru to replace her beloved VW TDI. > I assure you that my "asunto" is one of access and convenience, and not nationalism. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Flew May 10 2014 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459964#459964 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
Myron Your post mentioned that Hartzell clarified an important issue that saved you a lot of $$$. Can you share the specifics? As I understand it the issue is with the MT PG. If this has a failure that causes other issues (i.e. damage to the engine), is it an insurable event. I would have thought that the liability would have been with MT. Anyway, I am curious.. Cheers Les Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459983#459983 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
kearney wrote: > Myron > > Your post mentioned that Hartzell clarified an important issue that saved you a lot of $$$. > > Can you share the specifics? As I understand it the issue is with the MT PG. If this has a failure that causes other issues (i.e. damage to the engine), is it an insurable event. I would have thought that the liability would have been with MT. > > Anyway, I am curious.. > > Cheers > > Les Not Myron but the issue he mentioned involved replacing his prop as a result of the PG failure. His adjuster balked initially but we have the same underwriter and when his found out than my adjuster had approved the replacement based upon Hartzell's tech data and direct recommendation the replacement was approved. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459984#459984 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
Hi Todd I think I understand what happened. I am just curious as to why damage arising from a part failure is an insurance event. I am glad it worked out hit you and Myron, I am just trying to understand the insurance logic - if there is such a thing. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:32 AM, tsts4 wrote: > > > > kearney wrote: >> Myron >> >> Your post mentioned that Hartzell clarified an important issue that saved you a lot of $$$. >> >> Can you share the specifics? As I understand it the issue is with the MT PG. If this has a failure that causes other issues (i.e. damage to the engine), is it an insurable event. I would have thought that the liability would have been with MT. >> >> Anyway, I am curious.. >> >> Cheers >> >> Les > > > Not Myron but the issue he mentioned involved replacing his prop as a result of the PG failure. His adjuster balked initially but we have the same underwriter and when his found out than my adjuster had approved the replacement based upon Hartzell's tech data and direct recommendation the replacement was approved. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF > RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459984#459984 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: Kyle Boatright <kboatright1(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
The convention seems to be that the first thing that fails is your responsibility. Everything after that is often handled by insurance. Think: Engine failure followed by an off airport landing. Or gear failure followed by a belly landing. Governor failure followed by an engine tear down or prop replacement due to an overspeed seems to be treated similarly. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > > Hi Todd > > I think I understand what happened. I am just curious as to why damage arising from a part failure is an insurance event. I am glad it worked out hit you and Myron, I am just trying to understand the insurance logic - if there is such a thing. > > Cheers > > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:32 AM, tsts4 wrote: >> >> >> >> kearney wrote: >>> Myron >>> >>> Your post mentioned that Hartzell clarified an important issue that saved you a lot of $$$. >>> >>> Can you share the specifics? As I understand it the issue is with the MT PG. If this has a failure that causes other issues (i.e. damage to the engine), is it an insurable event. I would have thought that the liability would have been with MT. >>> >>> Anyway, I am curious.. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Les >> >> >> Not Myron but the issue he mentioned involved replacing his prop as a result of the PG failure. His adjuster balked initially but we have the same underwriter and when his found out than my adjuster had approved the replacement based upon Hartzell's tech data and direct recommendation the replacement was approved. >> >> -------- >> Todd Stovall >> aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF >> RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459984#459984 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
kearney wrote: > Hi Todd > > I think I understand what happened. I am just curious as to why damage arising from a part failure is an insurance event. I am glad it worked out hit you and Myron, I am just trying to understand the insurance logic - if there is such a thing. > > Cheers > > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:32 AM, tsts4 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > kearney wrote: > > > Myron > > > > > > Your post mentioned that Hartzell clarified an important issue that saved you a lot of $$$. > > > > > > Can you share the specifics? As I understand it the issue is with the MT PG. If this has a failure that causes other issues (i.e. damage to the engine), is it an insurable event. I would have thought that the liability would have been with MT. > > > > > > Anyway, I am curious.. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Les > > > > > > Not Myron but the issue he mentioned involved replacing his prop as a result of the PG failure. His adjuster balked initially but we have the same underwriter and when his found out than my adjuster had approved the replacement based upon Hartzell's tech data and direct recommendation the replacement was approved. > > > > -------- > > Todd Stovall > > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF > > RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459984#459984 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simple. Both of our policies covered the damage caused by a parts failure (we have different agency's but have the same underwriter). So replacement of the damaged PG is not covered but the subsequent damaged caused by the failure is. In my case, what is covered is the shipping, teardown, inspection, and repair of the engine, inspection and repair, if necessary, of the mags, replacement of the prop, and replacement of the alternators. All of this is based upon manufactured guidance and tech data due to the overspeed. That estimate is almost $23K and that's before they find any issues with the engine which I'm sure there will be at least one repair--the prop gov drive assembly. Without insurance I wouldn't be able to afford the repairs and replacements. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459988#459988 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
The issue is actually whether the prop governor and prop are one single component of two different parts or two separate components. Insurance policy verbiage is a little vague in that respect. Insurance doesn't cover a failed component. However, the good ones cover anxillary damage to other components as a result of a failed component. I don't want to get into too much detail yet, but suffice to say that I will always stick with Gallagher and AIG as long as they'll have me. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459989#459989 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
Date: Aug 28, 2016
That's good! Who is your insurance company if you don't mind me asking?! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:22 PM, tsts4 wrote: > > > > kearney wrote: >> Hi Todd >> >> I think I understand what happened. I am just curious as to why damage arising from a part failure is an insurance event. I am glad it worked out hit you and Myron, I am just trying to understand the insurance logic - if there is such a thing. >> >> Cheers >> >> Les >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:32 AM, tsts4 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> kearney wrote: >>>> Myron >>>> >>>> Your post mentioned that Hartzell clarified an important issue that saved you a lot of $$$. >>>> >>>> Can you share the specifics? As I understand it the issue is with the MT PG. If this has a failure that causes other issues (i.e. damage to the engine), is it an insurable event. I would have thought that the liability would have been with MT. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I am curious.. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Les >>> >>> >>> Not Myron but the issue he mentioned involved replacing his prop as a result of the PG failure. His adjuster balked initially but we have the same underwriter and when his found out than my adjuster had approved the replacement based upon Hartzell's tech data and direct recommendation the replacement was approved. >>> >>> -------- >>> Todd Stovall >>> aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF >>> RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459984#459984 > > > Simple. Both of our policies covered the damage caused by a parts failure (we have different agency's but have the same underwriter). So replacement of the damaged PG is not covered but the subsequent damaged caused by the failure is. In my case, what is covered is the shipping, teardown, inspection, and repair of the engine, inspection and repair, if necessary, of the mags, replacement of the prop, and replacement of the alternators. All of this is based upon manufactured guidance and tech data due to the overspeed. That estimate is almost $23K and that's before they find any issues with the engine which I'm sure there will be at least one repair--the prop gov drive assembly. Without insurance I wouldn't be able to afford the repairs and replacements. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF > RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459988#459988 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
jdriggs49(at)MSN.COM wrote: > That's good! Who is your insurance company if you don't mind me asking?! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:22 PM, tsts4 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Falcon (partnered with USAA) -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459996#459996 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
Guys, my conversation with my broker here in Ontario indicates there is no insurance coverage for me unless I had damage due to for example a hard landing after my governor failure. While this whole governor fiasco is disturbing and ultimately costly for everyone, consider yourselves lucky to have that type of coverage. AIG Canada isn't biting....... Rick Southampton, Ont #40956 On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 3:21 PM, tsts4 wrote: > > > jdriggs49(at)MSN.COM wrote: > > That's good! Who is your insurance company if you don't mind me asking?! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:22 PM, tsts4 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Falcon (partnered with USAA) > > -------- > Todd Stovall > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF > RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459996#459996 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Governor Alternative
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
Don't give up Rick. Keep meticulous records. Hopefully MT steps up for everyone. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460003#460003 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Carr <junk(at)dcarr.org>
Date: Aug 28, 2016
Subject: Fwd: Gear wrench
I was thinking of getting a "shorty" 1-3/4 wrench to keep in the airplane for the wheel nuts. Something along these lines: [image: Inline image 1] Any thoughts on whether this is a good way to go? Maybe a socket/ratchet is better? Thanks, David ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Gear wrench
Date: Aug 29, 2016
I use a plumbers spanner wrench (or slip nut wrench) for the gear nuts. I figure it'll also be useful for other things too. From Home Depot. http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/c3/c3b11a91-ca1c-4c42-b77e-93a88c231b66_400.jpg Linn On 8/28/2016 11:14 PM, David Carr wrote: > > I was thinking of getting a "shorty" 1-3/4 wrench to keep in the > airplane for the wheel nuts. Something along these lines: > > Inline image 1 > > Any thoughts on whether this is a good way to go? 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