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From: | "Russell Duffy" <rv82(at)home.com> |
Subject: | New RV-3 rotary engine project- Questions |
Greetings,
After years of wanting to build a rotary engine powered airplane, I'm
finally going to do it. Yesterday, I purchased an RV-3 project that was
never quite finished. The original builder did a great job on it, but
decided he didn't want a single place. As a result, it has been sitting
around in a 90% complete stage for maybe 10 years. I'll be hauling the
project back from GA next Saturday, and can't wait to get started. My plan
is to install a 13B two-rotor engine.
The plane has the original type-1 spars I believe, and Van's says those are
good for Utility Category loads. Since I don't see the need to put more
than about 3 G's on the plane, I will likely leave the wings as is. I
realize there's an option to install the new wings, at a discount price from
Van's, but this sounds like a lot of work and expense, for something that
doesn't seem necessary. Still, I'll consider doing it. Has anyone actually
installed the new wings in a finished fuselage? Van's says you'd have to
replace the "center section", which doesn't sound like a lot of fun. I know
that some of the root rib mods have been done, and the kit for the rest of
the wing mods is coming with the project, so I'll have to look that over to
see what's involved. If you do all the mods to a type-1 spar, does that
give it aerobatic limits?
The plane has wing tanks, and I'll do some testing on them, but I'm afraid
the slosh may not work well with auto fuel. Unfortunately, the builder can't
find any info on exactly which slosh was used. If slosh is going to fail,
will I be able to find that out by filling the tanks for a few weeks, or
will it take longer than that?
I've seen a few RV-3's with big engines, and I don't see how they keep from
exceeding the Vne of 215 mph. Are there mods to increase the Vne on the
RV-3? For example, I never realized the elevators weren't counterbalanced.
Has anyone added counterweights? Does it even matter? If not, why did I
spend all that time balancing my RV-8 elevators :-)
How many other rotary engine builders do we have out there? Drop me an
e-mail and we'll stay in touch.
Cheers,
Russell Duffy
Navarre, FL
RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 82 hours)
RV-3, Rotary engine project
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | List Fund Raiser Off to a Slow Start... |
Hi Listers,
First I want to take everyone that has taken a minute already to make a
Contribution to support the Email Lists in 2001! I also really appreciate
all the kind words I've been receiving regarding the Lists and how much
they mean to everyone. The testimonial means a lot to me and makes the
many hours working on the system worth it!! Later in the month, I'll share
a few of the kind words with the Lists.
I've added a nifty new Bar Graph Thermometer to the message trailer that
gives an up-to-the-minute percentage status of how many members have made a
Contribution during 2001! It was a fun piece of code to write and
hopefully will be a fun way to watch the Fund Raiser's Progress this year!
As I've said in the past, the Lists are supported *completely* through your
generous Contributions during the Fund Raiser and throughout the
year. This includes all of the system and connectivity upgrades we seen,
as well as makes the many hours I spend each month keeping the systems
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From: | "reecerv3" <reecerv3(at)email.msn.com> |
Subject: | Re: New RV-3 rotary engine project- Questions |
Russel-
John Harmon and some of the builders from the Bakersfield area added
counterbalanced elevators to the RV-3.
You should be able to look up John's number somehow and give him a call. He
may be able to tell you some details and why they did it. If I remember
right from talking to John it was because of the elevator loosing
effectiveness at high G-loading during aerobatics.
Blue skies!
Rob Reece
RV-3 s/n45 still building
>
> I've seen a few RV-3's with big engines, and I don't see how they keep
from
> exceeding the Vne of 215 mph. Are there mods to increase the Vne on the
> RV-3? For example, I never realized the elevators weren't
counterbalanced.
> Has anyone added counterweights? Does it even matter? If not, why did I
> spend all that time balancing my RV-8 elevators :-)
>
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From: | "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk> |
Subject: | New RV-3 rotary engine project- Questions |
Russell,
Leaving the wings as they are is fine if you can always resist the
temptation to do the occasional aerobatics; that is always . . . for ever. I
believe this is difficult in any RV, particularly the -3. Doing the mods
however will give you aerobatic limits (+6 -3g) at 1050 lbs. I found the
spar boom mod difficult to do well on a dry wing (access problems), but on
yours, you could remove the tanks for access to the front of the spar,
making the whole thing a lot easier.
Changing to the new design of wing is probably 'best' solution if you can
face changing the centre box-bulkhead (the parts being match-drilled to the
new spar).
I too have wondered about the lack of mass-balancing on the elevators, but
built mine per plans many years ago - depending on what you discover on this
I may rebuild them to incorporate balances. Might as well, they're the only
bits that haven't been rebuilt at least once!!
So my 2 cents worth is;
a) If you just want an engine test-bed, leave the wings alone and don't
exceed 4.4g.
b) If you think you may be tempted to turn the aeroplane upside down once
or twice, do the mods.
c) If you want the most elegant solution and possibly higher resale value
(against highest cost), put on the new wing.
FWIW, I would do b) if the quality of the existing wings was acceptable.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do!
Bob (UK)
RV3B / 0-320 (fuselage)
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Duffy" <rv82(at)home.com>
> The plane has the original type-1 spars I believe, and Van's says those
are
> good for Utility Category loads. Since I don't see the need to put more
> than about 3 G's on the plane, I will likely leave the wings as is. I
> realize there's an option to install the new wings, at a discount price
from
> Van's, but this sounds like a lot of work and expense, for something that
> doesn't seem necessary. Still, I'll consider doing it. Has anyone
actually
> installed the new wings in a finished fuselage? Van's says you'd have to
> replace the "center section", which doesn't sound like a lot of fun. I
know
> that some of the root rib mods have been done, and the kit for the rest of
> the wing mods is coming with the project, so I'll have to look that over
to
> see what's involved. If you do all the mods to a type-1 spar, does that
> give it aerobatic limits?
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From: | Finn Lassen <finnlassen(at)netzero.net> |
Subject: | Re: New RV-3 rotary engine project- Questions |
Russell Duffy wrote:
> If you do all the mods to a type-1 spar, does that
> give it aerobatic limits?
Yes, +6/-3Gs
> How many other rotary engine builders do we have out there? Drop me an
> e-mail and we'll stay in touch.
Also see http://members.aol.com/rotaryroster/
Finn
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From: | "Bruce Meacham" <bruce_meacham(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: New RV-3 rotary engine project- Questions |
Hmm, that's funny, I've never lost any elevator effectiveness. I've done 4G
stalls. They're violent as all getup, but the elevator still does it's
thing.
Bruce Meacham
RV3 N3456B
>From: "reecerv3" <reecerv3(at)email.msn.com>
>Reply-To: rv3-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RV3-List: New RV-3 rotary engine project- Questions
>Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:30:13 -0600
>
>
>Russel-
>
>John Harmon and some of the builders from the Bakersfield area added
>counterbalanced elevators to the RV-3.
>
>You should be able to look up John's number somehow and give him a call.
>He
>may be able to tell you some details and why they did it. If I remember
>right from talking to John it was because of the elevator loosing
>effectiveness at high G-loading during aerobatics.
>
>Blue skies!
>
>Rob Reece
>RV-3 s/n45 still building
>
> >
> > I've seen a few RV-3's with big engines, and I don't see how they keep
>from
> > exceeding the Vne of 215 mph. Are there mods to increase the Vne on the
> > RV-3? For example, I never realized the elevators weren't
>counterbalanced.
> > Has anyone added counterweights? Does it even matter? If not, why did
>I
> > spend all that time balancing my RV-8 elevators :-)
> >
>
>
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From: | Linzel Gray Civ 43CES/CECP <Gray.Linzel(at)pope.af.mil> |
Subject: | New RV-3 rotary engine project- Questions |
Does anyone remember how many g's broke the RV-3 spars when Van tested them
a few year back?
I wonder if one build a light weight RV-3 with no paint, no radios, a wood
propeller, a standard weight pilot and took off with say 6 gallons of fuel
that a 1 g roll performed below the maneuvering speed may be a fairly safe.
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: New RV-3
rotary engine project- Questions Date: Nov 05, 2001
Russell,
Leaving the wings as they are is fine if you can always resist the
temptation to do the occasional aerobatics; that is always . . . for ever. I
believe this is difficult in any RV, particularly the -3. Doing the mods
however will give you aerobatic limits (+6 -3g) at 1050 lbs. I found the
spar boom mod difficult to do well on a dry wing (access problems), but on
yours, you could remove the tanks for access to the front of the spar,
making the whole thing a lot easier.
Changing to the new design of wing is probably 'best' solution if you can
face changing the centre box-bulkhead (the parts being match-drilled to the
new spar).
I too have wondered about the lack of mass-balancing on the elevators, but
built mine per plans many years ago - depending on what you discover on this
I may rebuild them to incorporate balances. Might as well, they're the only
bits that haven't been rebuilt at least once!!
So my 2 cents worth is;
a) If you just want an engine test-bed, leave the wings alone and don't
exceed 4.4g.
b) If you think you may be tempted to turn the aeroplane upside down once
or twice, do the mods.
c) If you want the most elegant solution and possibly higher resale value
(against highest cost), put on the new wing.
FWIW, I would do b) if the quality of the existing wings was acceptable.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do!
Bob (UK)
RV3B / 0-320 (fuselage)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "reecerv3" <reecerv3(at)email.msn.com> |
Subject: | Re: New RV-3 rotary engine project- Questions |
> Hmm, that's funny, I've never lost any elevator effectiveness. I've done
4G
> stalls. They're violent as all getup, but the elevator still does it's
> thing.
Hi Bruce!
John Harmon mentioned that the loss of effectiveness of the elevators was
around 6g's. He said that the elevators had a null and you could move the
stick fore and aft with greatly reduced effectiveness with the elevator
loaded at this high g. His explanation sounded very convincing since he was
doing airshow aerobatics in the RV-3 when he discovered it. He implied
(this was 5 years or so ago. . . and my memory is not what it used to be!)
that the counterbalancing seemed to improve and/or eliminate this effect at
the same loading.
For what it's worth.
Rob
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | What Listers Are Saying - Fund Raiser Continues... |
Dear Listers,
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http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Subject: | Have You Tried the New List Browse Feature?? |
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Email List Administrator
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Free Copy of Van's New "THE RV STORY" Video! |
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From: | "Russell Duffy" <rv82(at)home.com> |
Subject: | CN-2-I mod for type I spars |
Greetings all,
As you may recall, I purchased an old RV-3 project, and one of the things
I'd like to do is install the wing mods. CN-1 has already been done, and
the kit for CN-2 (type-I spars) is here, but there's no documentation. The
plane has wing tanks, and as I understand it, this will make the CN-2 mod
much easier than it would otherwise be. Unfortunately, I have been unable
to get my hands on a copy of the documentation for the CN-2 mod. The
original builder can't locate it. Van's wouldn't send one when I was
looking at the plane, because they said that it would be with the kit.
After finding out that I didn't have a copy, I e-mailed Van's requesting a
copy, but no reply. Finally I talked to them today, and they said they
would fax me a copy. It is now 5 hours and two request later, and I still
don't have the document. So much for working on this today.
Anyway, I may very well get a copy from Van's eventually, but can anyone do
me a big favor and e-mail me a copy tonight, or maybe in the morning?
E-mail would be preferred over fax, since I don't really have a dedicated
fax machine, and MBE charges $1/page.
Thanks
Russell Duffy
Navarre, FL
RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 85 hours) FOR SALE
RV-3, Rotary engine project, removing mud daubers and fixing spar boo boo's
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "reecerv3" <reecerv3(at)email.msn.com> |
Subject: | Re: CN-2-I mod for type I spars |
Russel-
I will scan and email you a copy tonight if I get time.
Rob Reece
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | What They're Saying... |
Hi Listers,
The 2001 List Fund Raiser is currently underway and lot's of people have
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Michael Brown... |
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From: | "Russell Duffy" <rv82(at)home.com> |
Greetings all,
As I've recently posted, I purchased an old RV-3 kit (SN-751). The project
didn't include some of the fairings that are common to other RV kits that
I've seen. Since I hate fiberglass, I thought I'd ask if these are
available now from Van's, or if perhaps there's an aftermarket source. The
parts I need are the following:
Horz stab tips
Vert stab tip
elevator tips
tip for the top of the rudder
tip for the bottom of the rudder with no light
Empennage fairing (where the vert and horz stab join the fuselage)
gear leg fairings
Improved (lower drag) wheel pants (I have the original wheel pants)
(nice low drag aftermarket) wing root fairings
anything for the sliding canopy (assume this to be hopeless)
Thanks,
Russell Duffy
Navarre, FL
RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 82 hours)
RV-3, Rotary engine project
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Russell Duffy" <rv82(at)home.com> |
Subject: | RV-3 roll-over protection? |
Greetings again,
I noticed that the RV-3 sliding canopy doesn't really provide much roll-over
protection. It certainly isn't anywhere close to what the RV-8 has. Has
anyone installed any sort of additional roll-over protection? Got any
pictures or suggestions (aside from building up my neck muscles )?
Thanks,
Russell Duffy
Navarre, FL
RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 85 hours) FOR SALE
RV-3, Rotary engine project, old wings in the trash, new 3B wings on order
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Finn Lassen <finnlassen(at)netzero.net> |
Subject: | Re: RV-3 roll-over protection? |
Russell, didn't you notice mine at Tracy's?
Look at Tracy's web site under the Rotary race.
Finn
Russell Duffy wrote:
>
> Greetings again,
>
> I noticed that the RV-3 sliding canopy doesn't really provide much roll-over
> protection. It certainly isn't anywhere close to what the RV-8 has. Has
> anyone installed any sort of additional roll-over protection? Got any
> pictures or suggestions (aside from building up my neck muscles )?
>
> Thanks,
> Russell Duffy
> Navarre, FL
> RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 85 hours) FOR SALE
> RV-3, Rotary engine project, old wings in the trash, new 3B wings on order
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From: | "Russell Duffy" <rv82(at)home.com> |
Subject: | Re: RV-3 roll-over protection? |
Hi Finn,
It's funny, a picture of your engine is my current wallpaper, but I never
took any photos of the whole plane. I looked at the photo on Tracy's page,
and as I suspected, you have the tipover canopy. My project came with a
sliding canopy that's mostly finished. As I recall, the rear support tube
of the canopy frame runs from left to right, and comes to the very front of
the turtledeck when the canopy is closed. That will make it impossible to
install any sort of vertical structure behind the pilots head. It might be
possible to modify this canopy frame bar to work around the rollbar, and
that will certainly be one of the leading options. The other option would
be to change over to the tipover canopy. Yep, looks like building 51% of
this "nearly complete" RV-3 won't be a problem :-)
Rusty
--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen
Russell, didn't you notice mine at Tracy's?
Look at Tracy's web site under the Rotary race.
Finn
Russell Duffy wrote:
>
> Greetings again,
>
> I noticed that the RV-3 sliding canopy doesn't really provide much
roll-over
> protection. It certainly isn't anywhere close to what the RV-8 has. Has
> anyone installed any sort of additional roll-over protection? Got any
> pictures or suggestions (aside from building up my neck muscles )?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Finn Lassen <finnlassen(at)netzero.net> |
Subject: | Re: RV-3 roll-over protection? |
I don't see the problem. My seatback bulkhead has the indents for the sliding
canopy, just in case I wanted to change it. I welded up a simple "A" rollover
bar, as per the plans. The top of the weld was done with the two pieces
installed - bolted to the longerons, as they stick up through holes in the
turtle top skin.
Finn
Russell Duffy wrote:
>
> Hi Finn,
>
> It's funny, a picture of your engine is my current wallpaper, but I never
> took any photos of the whole plane. I looked at the photo on Tracy's page,
> and as I suspected, you have the tipover canopy. My project came with a
> sliding canopy that's mostly finished. As I recall, the rear support tube
> of the canopy frame runs from left to right, and comes to the very front of
> the turtledeck when the canopy is closed. That will make it impossible to
> install any sort of vertical structure behind the pilots head. It might be
> possible to modify this canopy frame bar to work around the rollbar, and
> that will certainly be one of the leading options. The other option would
> be to change over to the tipover canopy. Yep, looks like building 51% of
> this "nearly complete" RV-3 won't be a problem :-)
>
> Rusty
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen
>
> Russell, didn't you notice mine at Tracy's?
>
> Look at Tracy's web site under the Rotary race.
>
> Finn
>
> Russell Duffy wrote:
>
> >
> > Greetings again,
> >
> > I noticed that the RV-3 sliding canopy doesn't really provide much
> roll-over
> > protection. It certainly isn't anywhere close to what the RV-8 has. Has
> > anyone installed any sort of additional roll-over protection? Got any
> > pictures or suggestions (aside from building up my neck muscles )?
>
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From: | "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk> |
Subject: | Re: RV3 Roll-over protection |
Russ,
The original drawings (1971-3) had only the sliding canopy and no roll-over
structure. The later (1984) dwgs added the tip-over canopy as an option, and
a built-up roll-over structure, which can be used with it (dwg 37). In the
builder's notes, there is a sketch (SK-54A) of a welded steel tube A-frame
(not a tripod but better than nothing . . ) for use with the sliding canopy,
which I think Finn is referring to. It requires the frame cross-member to be
positioned 1" aft, and restricts the opening by 1".
If you don't have the sketch and notes I could email them over.
Good luck
Bob (UK)
3 fuselage being built on to new 3B wings
(- new builder wants my old wings !!??)
Original message:
> I noticed that the RV-3 sliding canopy doesn't really provide much
roll-over
> protection. It certainly isn't anywhere close to what the RV-8 has. Has
> anyone installed any sort of additional roll-over protection? Got any
> pictures or suggestions (aside from building up my neck muscles )?
>
> Thanks,
> Russell Duffy
> Navarre, FL
> RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 85 hours) FOR SALE
> RV-3, Rotary engine project, old wings in the trash, new 3B wings on order
> Hi Finn,
>
> It's funny, a picture of your engine is my current wallpaper, but I never
> took any photos of the whole plane. I looked at the photo on Tracy's
page,
> and as I suspected, you have the tipover canopy. My project came with a
> sliding canopy that's mostly finished. As I recall, the rear support tube
> of the canopy frame runs from left to right, and comes to the very front
of
> the turtledeck when the canopy is closed. That will make it impossible to
> install any sort of vertical structure behind the pilots head. It might
be
> possible to modify this canopy frame bar to work around the rollbar, and
> that will certainly be one of the leading options. The other option would
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Russell Duffy" <n174kt(at)home.com> |
Subject: | Re: RV3 Roll-over protection |
Thanks Bob, I think the confusion is beginning to clear. My drawings are
dated 1973, and there isn't anything in the drawings or manual that shows
any rollover structure. If you can e-mail me the sketch you're referring
to, that would be great. I will also give Van's a call and see if they'll
send me the drawings for the tipover canopy. I'm not sure the current
canopy will be in good shape underneath the spray-on protective coating that
it has, and there's still some work to do on the slider if I use it. I
think I might actually prefer the tip-over canopy anyway, so I might end up
changing it out. I just found out that there's a -3 in the area with the
tip-over, so I'll be taking a look at it for comparison. I guess I'll decide
what to do when I get all the options in front of me, but I do plan to have
some rollover protection.
Thanks again,
Russell Duffy
Navarre, FL
RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 85 hours)FOR SALE
RV-3, Rotary engine project
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson"
Russ,
The original drawings (1971-3) had only the sliding canopy and no roll-over
structure. The later (1984) dwgs added the tip-over canopy as an option, and
a built-up roll-over structure, which can be used with it (dwg 37). In the
builder's notes, there is a sketch (SK-54A) of a welded steel tube A-frame
(not a tripod but better than nothing . . ) for use with the sliding canopy,
which I think Finn is referring to. It requires the frame cross-member to be
positioned 1" aft, and restricts the opening by 1".
If you don't have the sketch and notes I could email them over.
Good luck
Bob (UK)
3 fuselage being built on to new 3B wings
(- new builder wants my old wings !!??)
Original message:
> I noticed that the RV-3 sliding canopy doesn't really provide much
roll-over
> protection. It certainly isn't anywhere close to what the RV-8 has. Has
> anyone installed any sort of additional roll-over protection? Got any
> pictures or suggestions (aside from building up my neck muscles )?
>
> Thanks,
> Russell Duffy
> Navarre, FL
> RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 85 hours) FOR SALE
> RV-3, Rotary engine project, old wings in the trash, new 3B wings on order
> Hi Finn,
>
> It's funny, a picture of your engine is my current wallpaper, but I never
> took any photos of the whole plane. I looked at the photo on Tracy's
page,
> and as I suspected, you have the tipover canopy. My project came with a
> sliding canopy that's mostly finished. As I recall, the rear support tube
> of the canopy frame runs from left to right, and comes to the very front
of
> the turtledeck when the canopy is closed. That will make it impossible to
> install any sort of vertical structure behind the pilots head. It might
be
> possible to modify this canopy frame bar to work around the rollbar, and
> that will certainly be one of the leading options. The other option would
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Russell Duffy" <n174kt(at)home.com> |
Subject: | -3B wing retrofit |
Bob (UK)
3 fuselage being built on to new 3B wings
--------------------
Hey Bob,
I wanted to ask about your 3B wing experience. Had you built the fuselage
before ordering the new wings? In other words, did you have to replace an
already existing center section? That's what I'll be doing when the new
wings get here, but it doesn't look too bad. Fortunately, top front skin
isn't on yet, and it looks like there's good access to everything that needs
to be removed. The biggest worry at the moment is the spacing between the
front and rear spar carry-though (hope it's right), and the fact that the
original builder has already drilled the rear spar attachment hole. One of
the (many) problems with his original wings was lack of sufficient edge
distance on the attachment hole in rear spar itself. Even if the hole in
the rear spar carry-through ends up being in a good location, the rear
spar/doubler of the 3B wing will go (I assume) in front and rear of the rear
spar angle. This will completely cover the existing hole, and make it
difficult to match to the spar. I'm hoping they increased the size of this
bolt, to give me some wiggle room, but more likely, I'll end up replacing
the rear spar carry-though as well. Oh joy :-)
Cheers,
Rusty
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Don't Miss The Video... |
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Contributors Down By 25%... |
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Free Stuff Reminder... |
Dear Listers,
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Listers,
Below are some of the comments I've received just this week alone from
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From: | "Russell Duffy" <n174kt(at)home.com> |
Subject: | RV-3 tipover canopy? |
Greetings,
I got a look at Randy Compton's (extremely yellow) RV-3 today, and have to
admit that the tipover canopy has some advantages. The visibility is
excellent, and it allows a better option for rollover protection than the
slider. It also looks like there's a lot more room to get in and out of the
plane with the tipover as compared to the small opening of the slider. The
biggest negative would be starting from scratch on the canopy frame, since
my current project came with the sliding canopy frame almost complete. I
expect to have to replace the actual canopy either way, perhaps with a 1/4"
canopy from Todd.
My question is for anyone who's built a tipover canopy in an RV-3. Does
Van's supply any of the canopy frame prefabricated, or is it strictly a
do-it-yourself project like the original slider? I've sent Van's two
e-mails now for info on the tipover canopy, with no replies so far. Does
anyone out there have a new RV-3B kit? I'd really like to know what's
available in the way of fairings too.
Thanks,
Russell Duffy
Navarre, FL
RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 85 hours) FOR SALE
RV-3, 10751, Rotary engine project
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From: | Finn Lassen <finnlassen(at)netzero.net> |
Subject: | Re: RV-3 tipover canopy? |
I was told I could buy the frame from Vans.
Of course I went ahead and made it myself :)
Finn
Russell Duffy wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I got a look at Randy Compton's (extremely yellow) RV-3 today, and have to
> admit that the tipover canopy has some advantages. The visibility is
> excellent, and it allows a better option for rollover protection than the
> slider. It also looks like there's a lot more room to get in and out of the
> plane with the tipover as compared to the small opening of the slider. The
> biggest negative would be starting from scratch on the canopy frame, since
> my current project came with the sliding canopy frame almost complete. I
> expect to have to replace the actual canopy either way, perhaps with a 1/4"
> canopy from Todd.
>
> My question is for anyone who's built a tipover canopy in an RV-3. Does
> Van's supply any of the canopy frame prefabricated, or is it strictly a
> do-it-yourself project like the original slider? I've sent Van's two
> e-mails now for info on the tipover canopy, with no replies so far. Does
> anyone out there have a new RV-3B kit? I'd really like to know what's
> available in the way of fairings too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Russell Duffy
> Navarre, FL
> RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 85 hours) FOR SALE
> RV-3, 10751, Rotary engine project
>
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From: | "Russell Duffy" <n174kt(at)home.com> |
Subject: | RE: RV-List: tipover canopy |
Thanks for the canopy comments. I think I made great progress today with a
call to Van's. Rather than bugging them with a dozen questions, I asked
about getting a new set of plans for the -3B. As it turns out, there's a
long forgotten (by me anyway) option to get one set of updated plans and
builders manual for a very small charge, $40 in the case of the RV-3B.
Having a new set of plans will allow me to look up my own answers for most
questions. It will also allow me the option of retrofitting some of the
later features into my 20 year old project where possible.
As for the tipover canopy frame availability, I didn't get an absolute
answer, and didn't really pursue it when I found out that I could get
updated plans so cheap. I also asked them to include a list of materials for
a new RV-3B kit, which should give me part numbers and an idea of
availability of the frame, fairings and anything else I might need.
For now, the canopy decision is just one of a long list of un-decided
options.
Cheers,
Russell Duffy
Navarre, FL
RV-8, 80587, N174KT (Flying 85 hours) FOR SALE
RV-3B, 10751, Rotary engine project, "B" retrofit wings on the way
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From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: RV-3 tipover canopy? |
I bought two RV-4 frames from Van, and worked them to about three inches
narrower so they would fit the RV-3. Then I made the rest and had it welded.
IMHO, buy the frame from Van, if he has one available.
Jim Ayers
RV-3 N47RV
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From: | "Richard D. Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net> |
Subject: | Slider Canopy Frames for RV-3's |
I am building an RV-3 and would like to include the slider canopy option
which Van's doesn't support with parts. Does anyone know of someone who
supplies welded parts for the RV-3 slider option. I'm not a welder and
would really like some help.
Thanks, Rick Fogerson, RV-3 fuselage, Boise, ID.
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From: | Finn Lassen <finnlassen(at)netzero.net> |
Subject: | Re: Slider Canopy Frames for RV-3's |
What firewall recess? RV-3 plans do not call for any recess.
Van's is now again selling RV-3 kits. Should include any weldments you need.
Finn
"Richard D. Fogerson" wrote:
>
> I am building an RV-3 and would like to include the slider canopy option
> which Van's doesn't support with parts. Does anyone know of someone who
> supplies welded parts for the RV-3 slider option. I'm not a welder and
> would really like some help.
>
> Thanks, Rick Fogerson, RV-3 fuselage, Boise, ID.
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From: | "Derrick W. Vogt" <dvogt(at)kscable.com> |
Subject: | Re: Slider Canopy Frames for RV-3's |
I have some RV-3 weldements here from an RV-3 project that never got built,
they are the control stick the weldments around them.
Also have a set of legs that are already pre bent and heat treated, tail
spring, not heat treated and a tail wheel.
If anyone is interested let me know.
Derrick in Wichita, KS.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Finn Lassen" <finnlassen(at)netzero.net>
Subject: Re: RV3-List: Slider Canopy Frames for RV-3's
>
> What firewall recess? RV-3 plans do not call for any recess.
>
> Van's is now again selling RV-3 kits. Should include any weldments you
need.
>
> Finn
>
> "Richard D. Fogerson" wrote:
>
> >
> > I am building an RV-3 and would like to include the slider canopy option
> > which Van's doesn't support with parts. Does anyone know of someone who
> > supplies welded parts for the RV-3 slider option. I'm not a welder and
> > would really like some help.
> >
> > Thanks, Rick Fogerson, RV-3 fuselage, Boise, ID.
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Belated List of Contributors #2... |
Dear Listers,
I'd like to apologize for the delay in posting the 2001 List of
Contributors Number 2, as well as getting behind in the List Photo
Shares. Here's my sad story... Over the Christmas holidays, I was working
out in the shop on a rotating drum sander. I was sanding out the woofer
hole in a speaker enclosure and, long story short, the part got away from
me and started spinning like a Hula hoop on the drum. Rather than just
turning the machine off like I should have done, I tried to grab the part
and in the process badly broke the ring fingers on *both* my right and left
hands!! I had to go in for surgery on the left hand because of the joint
damage and was stuck in a thing called an "external fixator" for almost 4
weeks. The right hand has healed up well, but the left one is very stiff
and I'm currently only getting about 70 degrees of bend. The doctor says
that I will get 80-90% of the moment back with a great deal of therapy and
I'm going to hold them to that...
The moral of the story is that even a sander can be a dangerous tool. I
had been working with a table saw, drill press, scroll saw, and high power
routers all day long and afforded them all the respect they deserved. But
with the sander, I never even thought about how things could go bad. It
just didn't seem like a dangerous tool. Be careful out there in the
shop. In a moment you can hurt yourself; hurt yourself in such a way that
you will have to live with the damage the rest of your life. Nothing is
worth that.
I'm finally back working on the computer and getting back to email and
other stuff. Later today I will be processing the mound of Photo Shares
that have backed up while I was out. I also just finished up the 2001 List
Contributions and have included the List Number 2 below.
I want to thank everyone that has so generously contributed to the List
this past year! It is your Contributions that make these Lists possible.
I understand that the Van's Videos from the Builder's Bookstore should be
shipping very soon if not already, and the discount coupons from Brown
Tools should already have arrived. Thanks again to Andy Gold and Michael
Brown for their generous support of the Lists this year with these giveaways!
Oh, and now that my fingers are working pretty well again, I've decided to
go ahead and finish my RV-4!! I had a LOT of guilt over wanting to sell
it... :-)
Happy Building and Flying!
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From: | "Richard D. Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net> |
Subject: | Location for 2 batteries in RV3 |
Hi Yall,
Is there anyone out there in RV3 land that has dual batteries or knows
of an RV3 with dual batteries? I wondering what the best options are
for placing dual batteries in the 3.
Thanks, Rick Fogerson, Fuselage (about to order), Boise, ID
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From: | "Mike Nellis" <mike(at)bmnellis.com> |
BlankSomeone left a message a week or so ago and needed some information
off of an old set of RV-3 Plans. I forgot I had them, but I've got an
old, complete set of plans for an RV-3 from 1973 serial #407. Pretty
cool. Maybe some historic value.
If you still need some information I'd be glad to research for you.
Mike Nellis - http://bmnellis.com
Georgetown, TX
Waiting to start Fuselage
RV6 N699BM Reserved
1947 Stinson 108-2 N9666K
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From: | "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk> |
Subject: | Location for 2 batteries in RV3 |
Rick,
Maybe one on right hand side of baggage compt (per dwgs) and the other on
cockpit floor in front of fuel cock (per prototype) ??
Cockpit one in a box to shield from fuel system, and both small RG type as
recommended by Bob Nuckolls.
My 0.02 only !
Are you going for dual electronic ign and full IFR with electric gyros ?
Bob
(UK, -3B fuselage)
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard D. Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net>
> Subject: RV3-List: Location for 2 batteries in RV3
>
>
> Hi Yall,
> Is there anyone out there in RV3 land that has dual batteries or knows
> of an RV3 with dual batteries? I wondering what the best options are
> for placing dual batteries in the 3.
>
> Thanks, Rick Fogerson, Fuselage (about to order), Boise, ID
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From: | "Bruce Meacham" <bruce_meacham(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | neaded: RV-3 Plans info |
Can anyone get to me the instructions for doing the weight and ballance?
I need the wheel moments.
Thanks,
Bruce Meacham
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From: | Finn Lassen <finnlassen(at)netzero.net> |
Subject: | Re: neaded: RV-3 Plans info |
You need to measure them yourself, aircraft level.
Here's a bit of info:
Datum: 50 " forward of wing leading edges.
Design C.G. range: 18% to 27% of wing cord, or 9.72" to 14.58" from leading
edge (add 50" to both to use datum).
Example in my builder's manual:
Left main wheel: 50.5" aft of datum
Right main wheel: 50.25"
Tail wheel: 216.5"
Oil: 30"
Pilot: 81"
Baggage: 112.5"
Example: Aircraft weighed empty in level flight attitude:
Left main wheel: 360 lbs @ 50.5" aft of datum
Right main wheel: 359 lbs @ 50.25"
Tail wheel: 36 lbs @ 216.5"
giving a gross C.G. of 44014 / 755 = 58.3".
Add pilot and fuel to get into C.G. range.
Finn
Bruce Meacham wrote:
>
> Can anyone get to me the instructions for doing the weight and ballance?
> I need the wheel moments.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce Meacham
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From: | Finn Lassen <finnlassen(at)netzero.net> |
Subject: | Re: neaded: RV-3 Plans info |
Sorry, forgot two pieces of info you'll need:
Fuel (wing): 58.5"
Fuel (fuselage): 53".
But you'd do well to verify all these locations while you have the the aircraft
on the scales:
Weigh it empty. Then with oil. Then with pilot, then with full fuel.
You'll need to verify mail wheel location at each measurement as they may move
with added weight.
Finn
Finn Lassen wrote:
>
> You need to measure them yourself, aircraft level.
> Here's a bit of info:
> Datum: 50 " forward of wing leading edges.
> Design C.G. range: 18% to 27% of wing cord, or 9.72" to 14.58" from leading
> edge (add 50" to both to use datum).
> Example in my builder's manual:
> Left main wheel: 50.5" aft of datum
> Right main wheel: 50.25"
> Tail wheel: 216.5"
> Oil: 30"
> Pilot: 81"
> Baggage: 112.5"
>
> Example: Aircraft weighed empty in level flight attitude:
> Left main wheel: 360 lbs @ 50.5" aft of datum
> Right main wheel: 359 lbs @ 50.25"
> Tail wheel: 36 lbs @ 216.5"
> giving a gross C.G. of 44014 / 755 = 58.3".
> Add pilot and fuel to get into C.G. range.
>
> Finn
>
> Bruce Meacham wrote:
>
> >
> > Can anyone get to me the instructions for doing the weight and ballance?
> > I need the wheel moments.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bruce Meacham
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From: | "Konrad Werner" <Connywerner(at)wans.net> |
Subject: | RV-4 Project FOR SALE |
My fellow RVators,
RV-4 Tail & Wing Kits FOR SALE
Early 1980's Kit, Serial number is in the two digits. A VIRGIN (i.e.
nearly untouched).
Today's cost from Vans would be over $5400 for the same Kit (-with
predrilled parts).
This is a great opportunity to get started on a Van's RV-4, while at the
same time saving some serious (engine) money over buying new!
Please contact me OFF LIST if you are interested, and then make me a
reasonable offer for the two Kits!
Sincerely,
Konrad Werner
Albuquerque, NM.
Connywerner(at)wans.net
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From: | "Richard D. Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net> |
Subject: | Navaid in RV 3, Order Motor Mount with Fuselage |
Hi Everyone,
I have a couple of questions:
1) Has anyone installed a Navaid in an RV 3? I'm just wondering if it
can be installed under the seat like it can be with the larger kits.
2) I thought it might be a good idea to get the motor mount with the
fuselage kit since I have heard some stories of people having
misalignments with the holes that come in the firewall and the mount
when they get it later in the finish kit. Van's doesn't think it's
necessary and it would be an extra $860 now rather than later. Any
opinions out there?
Thanks
Rick Fogerson
RV3 fuselage soon (yeehaw!)
Boise, ID
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From: | "Bill Saindon" <wfsaindon(at)clinic.net> |
Subject: | Re: Navaid in RV 3, Order Motor Mount with Fuselage |
Rick, I can't answer your question about the navaid. But when I built my RV3
I didn't have any problems with with my engine mount holes lining up. If I
remember right you only drill the holes to 3/16th or so until you get your
mount. Mine lined up perfectly.
Bill Saindon
RV3 15.6 flying time (Painting A/C)
Bowdoinham, Me
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard D. Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net>
Subject: RV3-List: Navaid in RV 3, Order Motor Mount with Fuselage
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1) Has anyone installed a Navaid in an RV 3? I'm just wondering if it
> can be installed under the seat like it can be with the larger kits.
>
> 2) I thought it might be a good idea to get the motor mount with the
> fuselage kit since I have heard some stories of people having
> misalignments with the holes that come in the firewall and the mount
> when they get it later in the finish kit. Van's doesn't think it's
> necessary and it would be an extra $860 now rather than later. Any
> opinions out there?
>
> Thanks
> Rick Fogerson
> RV3 fuselage soon (yeehaw!)
> Boise, ID
>
>
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From: | Linzel Gray Civ 43CES/CECP <Gray.Linzel(at)pope.af.mil> |
Subject: | RE: RV3-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/18/02 |
I ordered my complete rv-3 kit from vans in 1994. It came with a dynafocal
mount. Before I finished the plane 18 months later I found a conical mount
0-320 and had to exchange gear and mount that came with my kit. There were
no problems that I can remember. Also, I don't believe there was a single
pre-drilled hole in the entire kit anyway.
Can't help on navaid question. Floating compass is all I have.
Gray
Southern Pines, NC
Hi Everyone,
I have a couple of questions:
1) Has anyone installed a Navaid in an RV 3? I'm just wondering if it
can be installed under the seat like it can be with the larger kits.
2) I thought it might be a good idea to get the motor mount with the
fuselage kit since I have heard some stories of people having
misalignments with the holes that come in the firewall and the mount
when they get it later in the finish kit. Van's doesn't think it's
necessary and it would be an extra $860 now rather than later. Any
opinions out there?
Thanks
Rick Fogerson
RV3 fuselage soon (yeehaw!)
Boise, ID
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From: | "Bruce Meacham" <bruce_meacham(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Navaid in RV 3, Order Motor Mount with Fuselage |
Rick,
I think your on your own. When your done, would you mind posting your
results? I'd be interested in reading how it went.
Thanks,
-Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard D. Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net>
Subject: RV3-List: Navaid in RV 3, Order Motor Mount with Fuselage
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1) Has anyone installed a Navaid in an RV 3? I'm just wondering if it
> can be installed under the seat like it can be with the larger kits.
>
> 2) I thought it might be a good idea to get the motor mount with the
> fuselage kit since I have heard some stories of people having
> misalignments with the holes that come in the firewall and the mount
> when they get it later in the finish kit. Van's doesn't think it's
> necessary and it would be an extra $860 now rather than later. Any
> opinions out there?
>
> Thanks
> Rick Fogerson
> RV3 fuselage soon (yeehaw!)
> Boise, ID
>
>
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From: | "Michel Boucher" <michelboucher594(at)rogers.com> |
Subject: | RE: RV-List: Navaid in RV 3, Order Motor Mount with Fuselage |
I had installed my S-tec servo under the left hand step panel of my RV3.
This was done when the wings were off for its modification. Had managed to
attach the torque tube directly to the bolt at the control stick. Snug fit
but it worked perfectly for some 4 years. Unfortunately don't have any
pictures and I have recently removed it to install it in the 8 I'm building.
Sure preferred the simple torque tube set-up then the cable nightmare that
is recommended for the 8.
Michel 81117
RV-3 C-GGRV 1,100 hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard D. Fogerson
Subject: RV-List: Navaid in RV 3, Order Motor Mount with Fuselage
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard D. Fogerson"
Hi Everyone,
I have a couple of questions:
1) Has anyone installed a Navaid in an RV 3? I'm just wondering if it
can be installed under the seat like it can be with the larger kits.
2) I thought it might be a good idea to get the motor mount with the
fuselage kit since I have heard some stories of people having
misalignments with the holes that come in the firewall and the mount
when they get it later in the finish kit. Van's doesn't think it's
necessary and it would be an extra $860 now rather than later. Any
opinions out there?
Thanks
Rick Fogerson
RV3 fuselage soon (yeehaw!)
Boise, ID
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From: | "Builder's Bookstore" <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com> |
Subject: | Free Thunderbird, Blue Angels videos |
Free Thunderbird, Blue Angels videos
I've got 5 copies of a Thunderbirds / Blue Angles video which we'll give
away for Free to the first 5 people who ask for it along with any other
regular order from Builder's Bookstore.
It's a 50 minute video, 1/2 on the Thunderbirds, and 1/2 on the Blue
Angels. The Thunderbird segment is excellent. The Blue Angels section
is not as good.
To get one, just write FREE THUNDERBIRDS VIDEO in the special
instructions box on the Builder's Bookstore on-line order form, or say
so if you prefer to order something by phone.
Also, in case you are caller #6 or later, note if your regular order
depends on whether there is a free video left to include in your
package.
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
http://buildersbooks.com
800 780-4115
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From: | "John Warren" <jwdub(at)teleport.com> |
Subject: | RV-3 Preview Manual |
I recently reviewed a copy of the RV-3 Preview Manual and found several
errors concerning the W&B that could affect those who're building and/or
flying RV-3's. These errors have been confirmed with Ken Kruger and Van
and, I'm told, will result in changes to the text of the manual. The
sample W&B is correct but doesn't reference the aerobatic CG limit or
the maximum baggage capacity.
The correct CG range for the RV-3 is 18% - 27% of wing chord equivalent
to 9.72" - 14.58" aft of the LE. The aerobatic limit is 25% of wing
chord or 13.5" aft of the LE. The baggage limit is 50# subject to the
aft CG limit. With the center tank, the CG will shift aft as fuel is
burned.
John Warren
LaCenter WA
RV-3A
RV-6 in progress
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From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Bakersfield EAA 71 BBQ |
PUT THIS ON YOUR CALENDAR
Bakersfield EAA 71 annual BBQ Fly-In @ (L45) Bakersfield Muni will be on June
1st, 2002
All food will be catered by the Getaway Cafe & the Outback Restaurant
In addition to all of the awesome experimental aircraft on display,
there will be custom hot rods and motorcycles on display
Live music all day long
8:00 am - 6:00 pm
Info: call John Harmon (611) 836-1028 or e-mail hr2pilot(at)aol.com
or
Tim Barnes (661) 393-4100 or e-mail EAABKFD71(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Ed Tate" <tate(at)onlinemac.com> |
Subject: | early 3 wing tanks |
I need to build new wing tanks for my early RV3 and have another question
regarding early plans. My existing tanks are 37" long but the '84 plans
show the tanks to be 47". Since the wings are built for these tanks I would
like to just duplicate what I have and not have to change the wing skins.
I'm wondering if the early plans show this smaller tank and what the
capacity is. Anyone know when they went to the larger tank? I have a 10
gallon header tank also so I'm not overly concerned with overall capacity.
Thanks for the help,
Ed Tate
NW Oregon
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: early 3 wing tanks |
The original RV-3 wing tanks held 12 to 12 1/2 gallons, each. Unless you
built them to the very early plans which show the fuel cap at the back of the
tank. Then they held 11 gallons each with a large air pocket.
The fuel cap should be mounted at the high point of the tank with the
airplane in a three point attitude. Not where the original plans show them
at the rear of the fuel tank.
Jim Ayers
RV-3 sn 50 N47RV (wing tanks - 22 gallons total) :-)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Mike Nellis" <mike(at)bmnellis.com> |
Subject: | Re: early 3 wing tanks |
I'm looking at plans #407 dated 1973 and they show the tanks being 37.5"
wide and list 12 gallons with the fuel cap at the rear of the tank.
Mike Nellis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Tate" <tate(at)onlinemac.com>
Subject: RV3-List: early 3 wing tanks
>
> I need to build new wing tanks for my early RV3 and have another question
> regarding early plans. My existing tanks are 37" long but the '84 plans
> show the tanks to be 47". Since the wings are built for these tanks I
would
> like to just duplicate what I have and not have to change the wing skins.
> I'm wondering if the early plans show this smaller tank and what the
> capacity is. Anyone know when they went to the larger tank? I have a 10
> gallon header tank also so I'm not overly concerned with overall capacity.
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Ed Tate
> NW Oregon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: early 3 wing tanks |
In a message dated 04/01/2002 8:01:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mike(at)bmnellis.com writes:
> I'm looking at plans #407 dated 1973 and they show the tanks being 37.5"
> wide and list 12 gallons with the fuel cap at the rear of the tank.
>
I believe a later change moved the cap to 9 1/2" forward of the rear baffle.
Please look up the actual drawing change. It's been a couple decades since I
received the change notice.
Jim Ayers
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Moe-Home" <moejoe(at)comcast.net> |
Hi guys. I recently sold my RV8 kit, and I have some tools left over. Take a
look at http://www.tabshred.com/moe/avery.htm to see a list with prices.
Thanks,
Moe Colontonio
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From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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Subject: TruTrak autopilot installation diagrams
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | List Browsing Feature! |
Dear Listers,
I thought I'd post a little reminder to everyone about a very slick feature
of the email Lists here at Matronics. You can now use Netscape or Internet
Explorer to browse the current messages on your favorite List! The List
Browse Function tracks the current 7 day's worth of List messages for any
given List. Indexes are updated every 30 minutes with new messages that
have been posted. You can resort the message indexes by Thread, Subject,
Author, or Date and easily track and find current threads.
A number of List members have written to say that they love the List
Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages throughout
the day without having to constantly check their email or wait for the
Digest issue to come out.
You can check out the List Browse Feature by going to the following URL and
clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Keith Bedell" <bedelk(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | XDP4000X-List: unhappy |
All-
I hooked up my xdp-4000x and it sounds like crap. I ordered the necessary cable
from online and tried to tune it, but it just got worse. Is there something missing
htat I need to do to get it to work. When I bypass it with rca splitters
the res of my system works like a charm. I have the 6001ES running three 10'
ES subs. Then 2 1805 ES's handling everything else. Aside from the problems with
the 4x, there is a huge disparity between cd volume and radio volume. I mean
huge!!!. I can max out radio volume and it sounds ok, then pop in a cd and
half way blows mee out of the cab. Any ideas, I anm just so dissapointed right
now....
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>
Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
To: Email-Lists(at)matronics.com
Subject: XDP4000X-List: List Browsing Feature!
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:52:33 -0700
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Dear Listers,
I thought I'd post a little reminder to everyone about a very slick feature
of the email Lists here at Matronics. You can now use Netscape or Internet
Explorer to browse the current messages on your favorite List! The List
Browse Function tracks the current 7 day's worth of List messages for any
given List. Indexes are updated every 30 minutes with new messages that
have been posted. You can resort the message indexes by Thread, Subject,
Author, or Date and easily track and find current threads.
A number of List members have written to say that they love the List
Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages throughout
the day without having to constantly check their email or wait for the
Digest issue to come out.
You can check out the List Browse Feature by going to the following URL and
clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "rodney.woodard" <rodney.woodard(at)attbi.com> |
Hello Everybody,
I decided to take the plunge and re-subscribe to an rv-list. I searched back
through the archives and found that I've been doing this on and off for
about 6 years. Man, how time flys.
In any case, I've made some small progress on my RV-3 kit in the last year
or so. I'm about to finish up the tail kit. I've been in no hurry because I
don't really have the funds set aside for the wing kit. In fact, I probably
won't order the wing kit until sometime next year.
I've recently submitted a link to my website to Van's for inclusion on their
web links listing. I've had amazing response. I would have never guessed
that so many people look at that site so often.
I'm only going to subscribe to the RV-3 list due to the volume of e-mails
received by subscribing to the main list. I'm no expert, but I'd be willing
to answer questions based on my limited experience!
Best regards to all,
Rod Woodard
www.woodardfamily.com/RV3Project.htm
RV-3 #11339 in progress
RV-3 N99RV sold Jan 2000
Northern Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "rodney.woodard" <rodney.woodard(at)attbi.com> |
Hello,
I went to the workshop today with every intention of making some serious
headway toward finishing my elevators. I picked up the elevator control horn
and instantly recognized a big mistake...
I incorrectly placed the root rib (E-304) on the right elevator spar. In
order for the control horn to fit, the web of the rib (E-304) must form the
correct angle with the spar (E-302). I did at least a couple of things
incorrectly:
(1) I cyphered the angle of the root roob which wasn't exactly the angle of
the steel rudder control horn. I also (incorrectly) had already drilled the
skeleton to the skin... when I should have waited until I had at least
drilled the control horn to the spar & rib. The control horn would have set
the angle and the holes through the skin would have followed from there.
(2) This was the dumb/obvious mistake... When I riveted the rib to the
spar, I set the rib about an inch outboard on the spar rather than making
the web of the rib and the web of the spar line up and form a nice angle for
the rudder control horn. This is hard to descibe but was immediately
apparent when I picked up the control horn.
This is the first really big screw-up for me with this RV-3 project. I'm
thinking I'll create a section on my web site specfically for mistakes. I
didn't take pictures today so things will have to wait until at least Sunday
when I get home from work.
The good news from all this is that the total cost of the mistake including
a new spar, new elevator skin, new ribs(2) and new stiffener material is
about $65. Throw in about $40 for shipping and handling and I end up with a
$100 mistake. I suppose if this is the most expensive mistake I make, I'll
be happy!
Best regards to all.
Rod Woodard
RV-3 #11339 1 step forward; 2 steps back!
www.woodardfamily.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
Dear Listers,
I've just added four new email Lists to the current lineup at
Matronics. These new lists include:
KRNet:
krnet-List(at)matronics.com The RANS KR1 and KR2 Series
Cub:
cub-List(at)matronics.com The Piper J-3 Cub
RV10:
rv10-List(at)matronics.com The New 4-place RV from Van's!
Europa:
europa(at)matronics.com The Slick European Composite
All the usual features are available with the new Lists including the
search engine, archive download, 7-day List browse, and PhotoShare!
To sign up for any or all of the new lists, please go to the List
Subscription page and put in your email address and select the Lists of
your choice. The URL for the Subscription page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscibe
Don't forget that its your posts that generate traffic on the respective
Lists! Post an introduction and a description of your project or dreams!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | [With Good URL This Time!] Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
[Typo in the subscribe page URL last time - SORRY! -Matt]
Dear Listers,
I've just added four new email Lists to the current lineup at
Matronics. These new lists include:
KRNet:
krnet-List(at)matronics.com The RANS KR1 and KR2 Series
Cub:
cub-List(at)matronics.com The Piper J-3 Cub
RV10:
rv10-List(at)matronics.com The New 4-place RV from Van's!
Europa:
europa(at)matronics.com The Slick European Composite
All the usual features are available with the new Lists including the
search engine, archive download, 7-day List browse, and PhotoShare!
To sign up for any or all of the new lists, please go to the List
Subscription page and put in your email address and select the Lists of
your choice. The URL for the Subscription page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Don't forget that its your posts that generate traffic on the respective
Lists! Post an introduction and a description of your project or dreams!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Getting Bounced From Matronics Lists... |
Dear Listers,
I have two programs I run regularly to purge the various Matronics email
lists of bad email addresses. I referred to these as my Email Weasels and
there is a daily version that is run automatically every night at midnight
and there is a and a monthly version that I run by hand at roughly 30-day
intervals.
The Daily Weasel grinds through the 8 to 10mb of bounced email that is
generated each day looking for obvious things like "user unknown", "host
unknown", and other things that usually mean the user's email address
doesn't exist any longer. The Daily Weasel has been purging 5 to 10 email
addresses each night.
The Monthly Weasel gets more serious about the task and sends a single
message to each list member with specially generated headers and content
information. Any bounces or replies to these messages are considered
errors and the email address is eligible for purging. This program is
particularly useful for "weaseling out" email addresses that are actually
being forwarded to by another email address that is subscribed to a List
and otherwise would not be identifiable. The Monthly Weasel purges roughly
100 nonexistent email addresses each month when it is run.
To check to see if your address has been removed by either of the Email
Weasel programs, you can check the Weasel Status Web Page at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If you find your email address on the Weasel List, but are certain that
everything is working fine now, simply go the Matronics Subscription page
and resubscribe your address. No harm, no foul. The subscription URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
That all having been said, I've noticed that the Daily Weasel may have been
getting a little too aggressive in purging addresses recently and a number
of people have written asking if and why they'd been dropped from the List.
A couple of months ago I rewrote the Daily Weasel program to include a
wider variety of errors and more aggressively purge. One of the new purge
criteria that I added seems to occur a fair amount of the time (Connection
Deferred) even though the address is really okay.
As of today, I've removed the Connection Deferred criteria from the Daily
Weasel Rule set and this should decrease the number of "false positives"
and unnecessary unsubscribed.
Again, if you get unsubscribed by either of the Email Weasel utilities,
simply go to the subscription page and resubscribe:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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From: | Flylow38(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Pilot emergency chutes for sale |
>2 Pilot Emergency Chutes For Sale. Used in my RV4 for 6 months. Very
>compact.
> > Chute 1 is a Red 26' foot Micro Softie with Quick release buckles.$550.00
Lowered from $750.00. MFG. June-1988, it is a STRONG Mid Lite 26' canopy
>The container is a Micro Softie and was MFG. May 1989. It was used a few
>times in 1993 but thats about it except for my occasional use last year.
>
> > Chute 2 is a Blue with red trim National backpack 360 with sheepskin
>padding.>The National 360 was MFG. Dec. 1985. 24' Phantom Canopy.
> > WAS $575.00 now $450.00>Both chutes were repacked last year and are in
excellent >condition.> > Located in Southern California. I Paid $1450.00 for
both, I will sell for
>$950 for both. Buyer Pays shipping. Located in Southern California, I can
meet possibly half way to pick up depending on distance.
> > Contact Will Whiteside 818-359-1106 whiteside(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Roger Crandell <rwc(at)swcp.com> |
Subject: | For Sale: new Van's FP-12 spinner kit |
For sale. Van's FP-12, 12" spinner kit for wooden prop. Has 12 inch rear bulkhead.
New in box.
$105 new from Vans, will sell for $80 including shipping. COD extra.
Roger
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From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
"Re: RV-List: posting" (Oct 16, 6:40pm)
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com,
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: | Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...) |
Kevin's right, except for the RV7, RV9, and RV10 Lists. The way its
been set up is when someone posts to the RV3, RV4, RV6, and RV8 Lists
a copy is automatically sent to the RV-List too. For some reason, the
7/9/10 lists weren't configured that way; probably because I added
them later and forgot that about the forwarding.
In anycase, for now I've added the forward feature the 7/9/10 Lists to keep
everything consistant.
However, I don't have a stong preference either way, actually. I can
see pros and cons to each. Would people prefer the not-forwarding
operation? Sounds like it they might...
So let's vote! Drop me an email at:
dralle(at)matronics.com
with a simple:
"Forward"
or
"Don't Forward"
in the Subject Line. I'll added up the votes in a couple of days and
announce the new method.
Matt Dralle
List Admin.
>--------------
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
>
>Gary,
>
>Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree here. I am a member of Matt's
>RV8-list and the RV-list. If I post a message to the RV8-list, I get
>two copies - one that comes from the RV8-list, and a copy that comes
>across on the main RV-list.
>
>I just checked my Out Box - my message to Steve was sent to the
>RV4-List only. The copy you replied too seems to have come from the
>main RV-List.
>
>Search the RV-List archives for the text " New Specific RV Lists Auto
>Forwarded to RV-List" (don't include the quote marks. You'll find
>Matt's description of how the system works. I believe it causes
>confusion, because a lot of people on the main RV-List don't
>understand that they need study the original message to see where it
>originated, and send their response to the message to the correct
>list. Otherwise, the original poster may not see the response. But,
>Matt likes it the way it is, and these are his lists.
>
>Kevin
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary"
>>
>>Kevin.....actually, messages posted to model-specific Matronics
>>lists do not automatically post to the RV list. You can post to any
>>list or combination of lists you like, but you have to send it to
>>the ones you want it to show up on.
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>From: Kevin Horton <khorto1537(at)rogers.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV4-List: Bleeding Brakes
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
>>
>>Steve,
>>
>>.................. Any message posted to one of the RV model specific
>>list also gets posted to the main RV List. Any responses to the copy
>>of the message that goes to the main RV List only go to the main RV
>>List - they don't go back to the RV model specific list, ...............
>
>
>--------------
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com,
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...) |
Thanks Scott! The votes are still trickling in and its a REALLY, REALLY
close race. If you have a preference and haven't yet voted, it so close
that one or two votes could actually make the difference. PLEASE only vote
once, though! To be fair, multiple votes from the same email address will
not be counted.
Matt
At 07:07 AM 10/19/2002 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Sudlow"
>
>Matt,
>
>You're doing a great job managing this.
>
>Chris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...)
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
> >
> >
> > Kevin's right, except for the RV7, RV9, and RV10 Lists. The way its
> > been set up is when someone posts to the RV3, RV4, RV6, and RV8 Lists
> > a copy is automatically sent to the RV-List too. For some reason, the
> > 7/9/10 lists weren't configured that way; probably because I added
> > them later and forgot that about the forwarding.
> >
> > In anycase, for now I've added the forward feature the 7/9/10 Lists to
>keep
> > everything consistant.
> >
> > However, I don't have a stong preference either way, actually. I can
> > see pros and cons to each. Would people prefer the not-forwarding
> > operation? Sounds like it they might...
> >
> > So let's vote! Drop me an email at:
> >
> > dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > with a simple:
> >
> > "Forward"
> > or
> > "Don't Forward"
> >
> > in the Subject Line. I'll added up the votes in a couple of days and
> > announce the new method.
> >
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > List Admin.
> >
> >
> > >--------------
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >
> > >Gary,
> > >
> > >Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree here. I am a member of Matt's
> > >RV8-list and the RV-list. If I post a message to the RV8-list, I get
> > >two copies - one that comes from the RV8-list, and a copy that comes
> > >across on the main RV-list.
> > >
> > >I just checked my Out Box - my message to Steve was sent to the
> > >RV4-List only. The copy you replied too seems to have come from the
> > >main RV-List.
> > >
> > >Search the RV-List archives for the text " New Specific RV Lists Auto
> > >Forwarded to RV-List" (don't include the quote marks. You'll find
> > >Matt's description of how the system works. I believe it causes
> > >confusion, because a lot of people on the main RV-List don't
> > >understand that they need study the original message to see where it
> > >originated, and send their response to the message to the correct
> > >list. Otherwise, the original poster may not see the response. But,
> > >Matt likes it the way it is, and these are his lists.
> > >
> > >Kevin
> > >
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary"
> > >>
> > >>Kevin.....actually, messages posted to model-specific Matronics
> > >>lists do not automatically post to the RV list. You can post to any
> > >>list or combination of lists you like, but you have to send it to
> > >>the ones you want it to show up on.
> > >>
> > >>Gary
> > >>
> > >>From: Kevin Horton <khorto1537(at)rogers.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV4-List: Bleeding Brakes
> > >>
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >>
> > >>Steve,
> > >>
> > >>.................. Any message posted to one of the RV model specific
> > >>list also gets posted to the main RV List. Any responses to the copy
> > >>of the message that goes to the main RV List only go to the main RV
> > >>List - they don't go back to the RV model specific list, ...............
> > >
> > >
________________________________________________________________________________
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com,
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...) |
Hey RV Listers,
Okay, so I really don't mean to drag this out, but unbelievably, we have a
dead heat between "Forward" votes and "Don't Forward" votes! I had no idea
the opinion would run so close!! I've gotten a little over 100 votes so
far and it is literally a 50/50 split to the vote on which way to go. Over
the last week or so, each day I've gotten a couple of votes to Forward,
then a couple of votes to Not Forward - back and forth. With this many
people on both sides of the fence, no matter which way wins, there's gonna
be a lot of disappointed people! And I thought this vote would make it
easy for me to decide...
I'm going to keep the polls open until Sunday afternoon at 5pm pst, and
just go with the method that has the most votes - even if its just 1 or 2
votes. This is just like the Bush/Gore election; I'm down to counting
chad... You guys from Florida get your votes in! :-)
Here's how to vote - follow closely to make it easiest for me to count:
-- To Vote FORWARD --
* This means that you would like to have any messages posted to the
RV-specific lists automatically forwarded to the main RV-List.
Send an email message to: dralle(at)matronics.com
Make the SUBJECT line: "Forward"
-- To Vote DON'T FORWARD --
* This means that you don't want messages posted to the RV-specific lists
automatically forwarded to the main RV-List.
Send an email message to: dralle(at)matronics.com
Make the SUBJECT line: "Don't Forward"
If you care, here's your chance to make a difference! Get your vote in
before Sunday at 5pm pst. I'll announce the winner Sunday night...
Hey - and there's only voting one time, you guys! You know who you are... :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
==============================================================================
Thanks Scott! The votes are still trickling in and its a REALLY, REALLY
close race. If you have a preference and haven't yet voted, it so close
that one or two votes could actually make the difference. PLEASE only vote
once, though! To be fair, multiple votes from the same email address will
not be counted.
Matt
At 07:07 AM 10/19/2002 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Sudlow"
>
>Matt,
>
>You're doing a great job managing this.
>
>Chris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...)
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
> >
> >
> > Kevin's right, except for the RV7, RV9, and RV10 Lists. The way its
> > been set up is when someone posts to the RV3, RV4, RV6, and RV8 Lists
> > a copy is automatically sent to the RV-List too. For some reason, the
> > 7/9/10 lists weren't configured that way; probably because I added
> > them later and forgot that about the forwarding.
> >
> > In anycase, for now I've added the forward feature the 7/9/10 Lists to
>keep
> > everything consistant.
> >
> > However, I don't have a stong preference either way, actually. I can
> > see pros and cons to each. Would people prefer the not-forwarding
> > operation? Sounds like it they might...
> >
> > So let's vote! Drop me an email at:
> >
> > dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > with a simple:
> >
> > "Forward"
> > or
> > "Don't Forward"
> >
> > in the Subject Line. I'll added up the votes in a couple of days and
> > announce the new method.
> >
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > List Admin.
> >
> >
> > >--------------
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >
> > >Gary,
> > >
> > >Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree here. I am a member of Matt's
> > >RV8-list and the RV-list. If I post a message to the RV8-list, I get
> > >two copies - one that comes from the RV8-list, and a copy that comes
> > >across on the main RV-list.
> > >
> > >I just checked my Out Box - my message to Steve was sent to the
> > >RV4-List only. The copy you replied too seems to have come from the
> > >main RV-List.
> > >
> > >Search the RV-List archives for the text " New Specific RV Lists Auto
> > >Forwarded to RV-List" (don't include the quote marks. You'll find
> > >Matt's description of how the system works. I believe it causes
> > >confusion, because a lot of people on the main RV-List don't
> > >understand that they need study the original message to see where it
> > >originated, and send their response to the message to the correct
> > >list. Otherwise, the original poster may not see the response. But,
> > >Matt likes it the way it is, and these are his lists.
> > >
> > >Kevin
> > >
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary"
> > >>
> > >>Kevin.....actually, messages posted to model-specific Matronics
> > >>lists do not automatically post to the RV list. You can post to any
> > >>list or combination of lists you like, but you have to send it to
> > >>the ones you want it to show up on.
> > >>
> > >>Gary
> > >>
> > >>From: Kevin Horton <khorto1537(at)rogers.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV4-List: Bleeding Brakes
> > >>
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >>
> > >>Steve,
> > >>
> > >>.................. Any message posted to one of the RV model specific
> > >>list also gets posted to the main RV List. Any responses to the copy
> > >>of the message that goes to the main RV List only go to the main RV
> > >>List - they don't go back to the RV model specific list, ...............
> > >
> > >
________________________________________________________________________________
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com,
rv10-list(at)matronics.com, rv-list(at)matronics.com
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...) (The Final VOTE!) |
Dear RV Listers,
Okay, its after 5pm pst on Sunday and as promised, I've closed the
polls. I've counted the votes and recounted the votes, and even double
checked all of the Chad and the totals keep coming up the same. Are you
ready for this spread? Here is the official vote count:
95 votes: Forward
96 votes: Don't Forward
Unbelievable, I know. The totals ran within 1 to 2 votes of each other the
entire voting period. I couldn't believe it either. How could the split
be so close? Perhaps I should have turned to the Electoral College for
assistance... Or maybe Florida... :-) Much to Gore's delight, the popular
vote really did count!
So, the people have spoken and as of 5:19pm pst I have disabled the auto
forwarding from the RV-specific Lists to the main RV-List. As I mentioned
earlier, I really was on the fence about the right way, so thanks to
everyone for helping with the decision!
Isn't democracy great!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Hey RV Listers,
Okay, so I really don't mean to drag this out, but unbelievably, we have a
dead heat between "Forward" votes and "Don't Forward" votes! I had no idea
the opinion would run so close!! I've gotten a little over 100 votes so
far and it is literally a 50/50 split to the vote on which way to go. Over
the last week or so, each day I've gotten a couple of votes to Forward,
then a couple of votes to Not Forward - back and forth. With this many
people on both sides of the fence, no matter which way wins, there's gonna
be a lot of disappointed people! And I thought this vote would make it
easy for me to decide...
I'm going to keep the polls open until Sunday afternoon at 5pm pst, and
just go with the method that has the most votes - even if its just 1 or 2
votes. This is just like the Bush/Gore election; I'm down to counting
chad... You guys from Florida get your votes in! :-)
Here's how to vote - follow closely to make it easiest for me to count:
-- To Vote FORWARD --
* This means that you would like to have any messages posted to the
RV-specific lists automatically forwarded to the main RV-List.
Send an email message to: dralle(at)matronics.com
Make the SUBJECT line: "Forward"
-- To Vote DON'T FORWARD --
* This means that you don't want messages posted to the RV-specific lists
automatically forwarded to the main RV-List.
Send an email message to: dralle(at)matronics.com
Make the SUBJECT line: "Don't Forward"
If you care, here's your chance to make a difference! Get your vote in
before Sunday at 5pm pst. I'll announce the winner Sunday night...
Hey - and there's only voting one time, you guys! You know who you are... :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
==============================================================================
Thanks Scott! The votes are still trickling in and its a REALLY, REALLY
close race. If you have a preference and haven't yet voted, it so close
that one or two votes could actually make the difference. PLEASE only vote
once, though! To be fair, multiple votes from the same email address will
not be counted.
Matt
At 07:07 AM 10/19/2002 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Sudlow"
>
>Matt,
>
>You're doing a great job managing this.
>
>Chris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Re: posting (To Forward or Not to Forward...)
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
> >
> >
> > Kevin's right, except for the RV7, RV9, and RV10 Lists. The way its
> > been set up is when someone posts to the RV3, RV4, RV6, and RV8 Lists
> > a copy is automatically sent to the RV-List too. For some reason, the
> > 7/9/10 lists weren't configured that way; probably because I added
> > them later and forgot that about the forwarding.
> >
> > In anycase, for now I've added the forward feature the 7/9/10 Lists to
>keep
> > everything consistant.
> >
> > However, I don't have a stong preference either way, actually. I can
> > see pros and cons to each. Would people prefer the not-forwarding
> > operation? Sounds like it they might...
> >
> > So let's vote! Drop me an email at:
> >
> > dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > with a simple:
> >
> > "Forward"
> > or
> > "Don't Forward"
> >
> > in the Subject Line. I'll added up the votes in a couple of days and
> > announce the new method.
> >
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > List Admin.
> >
> >
> > >--------------
> > >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >
> > >Gary,
> > >
> > >Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree here. I am a member of Matt's
> > >RV8-list and the RV-list. If I post a message to the RV8-list, I get
> > >two copies - one that comes from the RV8-list, and a copy that comes
> > >across on the main RV-list.
> > >
> > >I just checked my Out Box - my message to Steve was sent to the
> > >RV4-List only. The copy you replied too seems to have come from the
> > >main RV-List.
> > >
> > >Search the RV-List archives for the text " New Specific RV Lists Auto
> > >Forwarded to RV-List" (don't include the quote marks. You'll find
> > >Matt's description of how the system works. I believe it causes
> > >confusion, because a lot of people on the main RV-List don't
> > >understand that they need study the original message to see where it
> > >originated, and send their response to the message to the correct
> > >list. Otherwise, the original poster may not see the response. But,
> > >Matt likes it the way it is, and these are his lists.
> > >
> > >Kevin
> > >
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Gary"
> > >>
> > >>Kevin.....actually, messages posted to model-specific Matronics
> > >>lists do not automatically post to the RV list. You can post to any
> > >>list or combination of lists you like, but you have to send it to
> > >>the ones you want it to show up on.
> > >>
> > >>Gary
> > >>
> > >>From: Kevin Horton <khorto1537(at)rogers.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV4-List: Bleeding Brakes
> > >>
> > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> > >>
> > >>Steve,
> > >>
> > >>.................. Any message posted to one of the RV model specific
> > >>list also gets posted to the main RV List. Any responses to the copy
> > >>of the message that goes to the main RV List only go to the main RV
> > >>List - they don't go back to the RV model specific list, ...............
> > >
> > >
________________________________________________________________________________
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com,
rv-list(at)matronics.com
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | How To Wire a "Dual-Rate" Electric Trim System... |
Hi Listers,
I've recently received a number of requests from builders regarding how to
wire up a "dual-rate" system for their electric trim installation. The
concept is that in cruse configuration the trim speed would be slow and
during flaps down configuration the trim speed would be fast.
I've draw up a schematic diagram that shows how to accomplish this using
two Matronics Governor MkIII units, a 12v relay, and an extra switch.
With the flaps up, the "fast" Governor MkIII is switched in, and when the
flaps are down, the "slow" Governor MkIII is switched in. I would
recommend using the highest quality, sealed relay available for this
installation.
Here is the Dual-Rate PDF document:
http://www.matronics.com/GovernorMkIII/DualRate-GovernorMkIII-Installation.pdf
and here is the Governor MkIII website:
http://www.matronics.com/GovernorMkIII
If you have any questions on the wiring diagram, feel free to email me
directly at: dralle(at)matronics.com
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | 2002 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show much traffic the
Lists generated last year alone:
11/01/2001 - 10/31/2002
Web server hits: 8,700,000 (727,000/mo)
Incoming Email Posts: 51,259 (4,271/mo) *
* This number is multiplied by the total number of email addresses
subscribed to the given List. The actual number of email message processed
is in the 50,000,000 range for last year!!
The new Internet provider, Speakeasy, has been providing extremely fast and
reliable service over the last year, and this has certainly been a
refreshing change from previous providers!
There were a couple of new features added at the tail-end of last year
including the new List Browse Feature ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
), and the List Photoshare which have been both very popular. Many people
have written to say how much they enjoy the on-line browsing capability of
current week's messages. The 184 new Photoshares (
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ) added over the last year attests to
its acceptance and appreciation in the community as well.
I have upgraded both the email and web server OS systems recently to the
latest - well almost the latest - version of Redhat Linux and Kernel
2.4.19, both of which have been working very well and quite reliably.
What does the future hold? Well, something pretty exciting I'm
hoping... I am currently evaluating a new, commercially available software
package that runs under Linux and provides a complete web-based Email List
service akin to what those other guys use. The difference will be that
there won't be any annoying advertisements and popup ads on the Matronics
system!! The system will continue to be dedicated to furthering Lists
activities and not trying to sell you something you don't want. My hope is
to keep most if not all of the current functionality in place and add the
new software system over the top. Some of the system will be replaced
(like majordomo), but the lists will work much like they do today - only
BETTER! As I mentioned, I am currently in the evaluation stage of this and
have yet to select a final product. Suffice to say some facelifts are
definitely on the way!
Unlike many of the other "list servers" on the web these days, I have a
strict no-commercial-advertisement policy on the Matronics Lists and
associated List websites. I have been approached by a number of vendors
recently with advertising deals that have been very tempting. However, my
commitment to providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment
prevails! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks. My goal with the Matronics List
Service is to provide my members with a commercial-free, safe, and
high-performance system in which to share information, ideas, and
camaraderie.
I recoup my upgrade, maintenance, and operating costs by having a List Fund
Raiser once a year during November. During this time, I ask List members
to donate a small amount of money to support the continued operation of the
Lists over the upcoming year. Contributions in the $20, $30, and $50 range
are common. This year I have completely revamped the Contribution website,
and have added the ability to use PayPal to make your Contribution in
addition to the traditional Visa/MC and Personal Check Options. Its easier
and faster than ever before to make your Contribution!! For those who are
accustomed to using PayPal to make Internet purchases, will appreciate the
ease and speed of using this handy method of payment to make their List
Contribution.
The best news this year, however, is that I have a couple of fantastic Gift
offers to support the List Fund Raiser! Andy Gold of The Builder's
Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) will be generously donating a
FREE Jeppesen Flight Bag to anyone making a $50 or more List Contribution
during the Fund Raiser! This is a great bag and something you'll surely
what to get your hands on. Thanks Andy, for this great incentive!!
In addition to the great Flight Bag, I will also be offering a FREE
Matronics List Archive CDROM for a $50 or greater Contribution! This is a
complete set of archives for all Email Lists currently hosted by
Matronics. The Archives date back to the beginning of the each List. In
the case of the RV-List, for example, this includes archives all the way
back to 1990! That's about 133Mb alone! Also included on the CD is a copy
of Chip Gibbion's Windows Archive Search Utility and a precompiled
search-index for each archive on the CD.
Better yet?! You can get BOTH the Flight Bag AND the Archive CD for a
Contribution of $75 or more which is actually LESS than the combined retail
price on the two items!!! How can you go wrong? Get some great stuff AND
support your Lists at the same time!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR support!
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who supports the
List this year. Your generosity contributes directly to the quality of the
experience here.
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a Personal Check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as additional
information on the various methods of payment.
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Again, I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this
year! Your Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
one of my friends was in contact with someone about props. this person said
he's changing his sterber prop for a catto. could this person contact me.
thanks
dan carley
dfcpac(at)aol.com
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | New List Digest Feature!! [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I've added a new feature to the Digest format of the Lists tonight. At the
top of each digest you will find a new Index Listing of all of the messages
found within that Digest including the Message Number, Subject, Poster, and
Time of Day posted.
I've also added a "Message Number" header to each message within the Digest
so that its easy to find 'just the message' you were looking for!
Sorry for the double posting of the digests tonight - the first time I
didn't quite have the code right and a few "bogus" entries made it into the
Index. I went ahead and reposted the Digest so that everyone could see how
the Index-to-Message mapping really worked.
Special 'thanks' to Gary Hall for not only suggesting a Digest Index, but
also supplying a few samples on how it might look. Gary, I think you'll be
quite pleased with the format!
Don't forget that were right in the middle of this year's List Fund Raiser
and if you haven't already made your Contribution, you own it to yourself
to check out the great free Gifts that are available this year with your
qualifying Contribution.
The Lists are operated completely though the support of it members, and so
its up to YOU to get that credit card out and make that $20, $30, or $50
show of support for the continued operation of the Lists.
Won't you take a couple of minutes and make a quick Contribution on the all
new, streamlined List Support web site? I've also added a
Payment-through-PayPal option this year, and this is proving a very popular
method of payment. Don't forget to check out the great free gifts you can
get with a qualifying Contribution this year. I can't believe how popular
they've been this year! Hurry and get your's today and support the Lists
at the same time!
Here's the SSL Secure URL for making your Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | List Fund Raiser - What Listers Are Saying... |
Dear Listers,
First, I'd like say *thank you* to everyone that's already made a
Contribution to this year's List Fund Raiser! Thank you! If you haven't
already made a Contribution, won't you take a movement and show your
support for these valuable services? Since there's no advertising or other
forms of direct commercialism on the forums to support the Lists, its soley
YOUR GENEROSITY that keeps them running!!
Won't please take a minute and make a Contribution via the SSL secure web
site via Credit Card, Paypal, or personal check. Here's the URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
This year, I've been getting some *really* nice comments from Contributors
and I thought I'd pass along a few of them below. What does the List mean
to *you*?
Thank you for your support!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
_________________ What your fellow Listers are saying... _________________
...great service!!
Greg B.
They have been a great assistance to me in building my RV-8.
Kevin H.
...very much appreciated.
Donald M.
Great site...
Angus F.
...invaluable resource.
Ronald C
[The List] has played a big part in continuing my project at
those times when I got stuck for some reason.
Jeff D.
Although I am only a reader, I find the list very helpful.
Oswaldo F.
The lists are a fantastic resource and are helping me very much...
Kenyon B.
The list is part of my life.
Ron C.
The CD will free up some hard disk space on my personal PC.
Jeff D.
...unbelievably useful.
Dan O.
...dependable and valued source of builder information.
Jerry C.
My daily lifeline!
Owen B.
...frequently get questions answered on the List.
Billy W.
Don't know how any first-time builder could get by without the lists.
Rick R.
...great source of information and motivation.
Jef V.
Super resource!
David P.
The information presented is very helpful to the building process.
James B.
Wonderful Service!
Wendell D.
The lists are great!
F. Robert M.
...very valuable to this builder.
William C.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | List Fund Raiser Continues... |
Marie Murillo
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder this morning that we're well into this year's Email
List Fund Raiser. Response has been great so far and there has been a lot
of interest in the Gift options. Speaking of those Gifts, I received a
sample of the Jeppesen Flight Bag from Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com this weekend, and let me just say that this is
an extremely fine quality unit. Its very light, folds down into a very
small form for storage, and will hold a whole lot of your "pilot
stuff"! For a mere $50 List Contribution, one of these very nice bags
could be yours! You'll be the envy of all your friends.
Won't you make a Contribution today to support the these valuable Email
List Services? Please remember that its YOUR generosity that entirely
supports the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists. That's it - no
ads, no banners - just good clean fun; that is, with your support of course!
Please take a moment and make a generous Contribution today. It only takes
a minute using the newly redesigned Contribution Web Site where you can use
either a Credit Card, PayPal, or a Personal Check to make your donation.
The URL for the SSL Secure Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
And I'd like to say a special "thank you!" to everyone one who has made
Contribution so far this year!! I really appreciate your generosity!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Wow, I can't belive some of the nice things people have been saying about
the Lists in that little message box on the Contribution form! I've
included more of the great comments since the last WLAS. Thank you to
everyone that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!!
Have a look at some of your fellow members thoughts below and decide if the
Lists mean at least that much to you or perhaps even more...
Won't you take a moment and make a Contribution to support these
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, high-performance List
services? Its your direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that
enables all of these valuable services you've come to expect of the
Matronics Lists.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
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=================== What Listers Are Saying - II ====================
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I check this List 4 to 5 times a day...
-Bruce B.
These are without a doubt among the best managed
Lists to which I subscribe.
-Terry W.
Thank you for providing such a wonderful service.
-Roy W.
...fine service!
-Christopher A.
Best list on the Internet!
-Geroge A.
Great list with a host of features.
-David A.
Having built part of a kit... ...I know exactly how
much this list means to me and others.
-Curtis H.
As always... you've got a real cool & very useful
service going...
-Chuck R.
I shudder to think of the trouble I would have had
getting this project airborne without this list!
-Grant C.
...enjoy everyone's input.
-Doug P.
I read the [the List] every day...
-Ronald S.
Whenever I feel like not building on my day
off....I open my mail and the [the List] gets me
pumped and ready to hit it!
-Tom E.
The Digest Message subject list is an excellent
addition.
-Kevin S.
Certainly the [the List] has been a valuable source
for building support and advice, but there's another
benefit,... the wonderful friends that we meet and
keep for years and years!
-Fred H.
What a great forum to exchange ideas and info.
-Terry L.
The List is my daily RV fix.
-Neil H.
I always received comments and suggestions when
I requested them.
-Thomas G.
Best resource a builder could ever have. A daily
must!
-Robert C.
Thanks for your gift - these web sites!
-Tom P.
...great info.
-Richard W.
The List empowers all RV builders to achieve success...
-Mark G.
I've been reading the postings for a month now and
decided to take the plunge as a result of the
helpfulness and spirit of cooperation I observed.
-Tim P.
...invaluable service.
-Ford F.
I check in at least twice daily for my e-mail "Fix".
-John S.
Its worth every penny of my contribution.
-Paul M.
Wonderful web site and it keeps getting better.
-Jim H.
A valuable list which has certainly helped me.
-Andrew G.
...the List helps so many.
-Don J.
I really appreciate the site and find it interesting
to speak to people who are into this type of aircraft.
-Larry M.
This is a great recreation for me.
-Larry B.
[The List] keeps me up to date and provides a fantastic
resource for information.
-Terry F.
Lists are a great resource!
-Daniel S.
...great service and professional administration of
the Lists.
-Chris R.
I really appreciate the List.
-Edward O.
Worth every penny, and then some!
-Kenyon B.
...great service.
-Ralph H.
Your unselfish contribution to the experimental
aircraft movement is very much appreciated!
-Alex M.
Great help on the Aeroelectric list.
-Bruce B.
It helps on a daily basis.
-Tim G.
Thanks for providing this outstanding service to us!
-Michel T.
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | LOC Coming Soon... |
Dear Listers,
This year's List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner. I'll be
posting the LOC on or about December 1. The List of Contributors is a
directory of everyone's name that made a Contribution during this year's
List Fund Raiser. Its kind of my way of publicly thanking everyone that so
generously made a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these Lists.
Support your Lists today and make sure that your name is on the upcoming
LOC! Your friends will be checking no doubt to see if YOU make your
Contribution because THEY did! :-)
Support Contribution Info - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Dear Listers,
I got to thinking today that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund
Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List
Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial
equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages online for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses. I am currently working on the additional ability to post and/or
reply directly from the List Browse interface. More on this upcoming
feature in the next week or so.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 9,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
50,000,000 (yes, that 50 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
We are quickly approaching the end of November and the official end of the
List Fund Raiser. If you look forward to checking your List email everyday
(and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably
getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each
year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or
even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to
you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount and get a
well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support
YOUR Lists.
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made
possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Fund Raiser Free Gift Shipping Status... |
Dear Listers,
A couple of people have written asking what the shipping status was of
their free List Contribution Gifts. Seemed like some status was in order
and I thought I detail where we're at...
Flight Bag Requests
-------------------
On 11/20/02 I shipped out the first batch of Flight Bag-Only (FBO) gift
requests. I shipped all FBO gift requests I had received from 11/1 to
11/19 except for 3 (Sorry guys!) - I ran out of my first shipment flight
bags! Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com
) is supplying me with another batch flight bags which should arrive in
about 2 weeks.
By the way, these are REALLY nice Flight Bags. Extremely well built and
very professional looking. Folds down into a very small size, but will
hold a huge amount of stuff. If you fly, and you've got a lot of stuff,
they you WANT one of these guys. Surf over to the List Contribution page
for details on how to get one of your own!!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The Flight Bags have been shipped out US Mail Parcel Post in a large, and I
mean LARGE, padded white plastic envelope. According to the Post Office,
worse case delivery time would be 8 days to destinations on the East Coast,
but indicated it would likely take a lot less time.
Archive CDROM Requests
----------------------
The Archive CDROMs will be mastered and burned on or about December 1 and
should ship out shortly there after. Shipping will be US Mail, Media Rate
in a big padded white envelope. The Archive List data included will be up
to November 30th.
Flight Bag and Archive CDROM Requests
-------------------------------------
These combination orders will ship out when the Archive CDROMs are complete
as described above, likely a little after December 1. The Flight Bag and
the CDROM will be shipped together in the same Giant white padded envelope!
Again, I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore for providing
these awesome Flight Bags to support the List Fund Raiser. Andy has gone
way beyond the call of duty with regard to his support of the Lists this
year and to show your gratitude I would ask that you have a look at his web
site and great media offerings. You'll find some excellent deals on some
very useful material. http://www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution so far this year! Your generosity and kindness is greatly
appreciated. If you've been putting off making a Contribution, now's a
great time show your appreciation in plenty of time to make it onto this
year's List of Contributors AND get your free gift with qualifying
Contribution!!!
List Contribution Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution/
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | All New List FAQs! |
Dear Listers,
I got to looking at the Email List FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) today
and realized that they where miserably out of date. I spent a wad of time
today completely revising them and adding in documentation on all of the
many new features such as the List Browse and Photoshare. Many of the
little-known features are documented in there now, too, so even if you're a
seasoned List veteran, you might want to give it a read. Never know what
you might discover.
At the bottom of this message in the Trailer you will find a new link item
called "List FAQ" with a URL for this specific List. Just click on it and
print it out or read it online.
Don't forget that November is the List Fund Raiser month! The "2002 List
of Contributors" is just days away and I know you'll want to make sure your
name is on it!! Please make your Contribution today to support the
continued operation of these List Services!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
There are only a few days left until the November List of Contributors. I
thought I'd take another opportunity to pass along some of the really nice
things people have been saying recently about the Lists and how much they
mean to them.
If you receive value from the Lists in the form of ideas, assistance,
comradery, moral support, inspiration, or just plain 'ol good
entertainment, then won't take a moment to make a Contribution to support
the continued operation and upgrade of them?
Secure List Contribution Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
What does the List mean to you? Here's what some of your fellow
contributing List members have said...
------------------------- What Listers Are Saying -------------------------
Great service for aviation types like me.
Larry H
Best investment I've made.
Harley B
I've been on this list since around 1996 and used it to
help me finish my RV-6A three years ago. I'm still here
because I still learn from it and use it to help others
like me who may be where nobody else is building a RV.
Thanks for your service to our community. It's appreciated.
Jim S
[List] people are a great break away from politics, religion
and other sordid subjects.
Robert B
This site is a great confidence builder for the amateur builder.
Gene L
Great service!
Barry P
Very handy list to have, a good place for a beginner to
get great answers from those who already experienced it.
...sure enjoy reading it.
Joel R
...valuable service!
Chris & Indira K
This is the better than any morning paper - the best and
most frequent service that I use on the Internet. Great
job! This will make building the RV doable for me.
Pete E
I enjoy all of the ideas, suggestions and humor that comes
with this list. I don't think I could build my RV4 with
out everyone's help.
Ross S
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!
James W
The list is a great source of information, motivation,
entertainment, passionate debate, and light-hearted back
slapping. I wouldn't be without it.
Roger H
...would still be looking for plans to hook-up s-tec auto
pilot without your service!
David S
The new [digest] format is good.
Graham S
Great information you can't get anywhere else. Lots of nice
people who have "Been there...done that."
George D
My normal morning routine:
1 Kiss "the princess"
2 Good cup of coffee
3 Log onto "List"
A wonderful means of exchanging ideas, asking questions,
gathering information, and sharing experiences.
Robert G
Great lists. Not only are the lists professionally and efficiently
managed, but the *people* on the lists are very helpful, friendly
and fun to chat with. Thank you for this wonderful resource.
Ihab A
Thanks a million, well maybe not a million!!! (:
Ken H
I need this fix every morning or I get grumpy...
Wayne P
Very useful lists
Paul E
This communication medium that you created, nurtured and
continue to maintain is the best thing since AN rivets!
Jim J
The information I gleaned off the list has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
I've been a subscriber to varied lists for several years
now. The knowledge provided has been extremely useful
throughout.
David P
Enjoy everyone's input even though I am not a
builder...just a flyer.
Douglas P
Just laughin' and a scratchin'
Dennis N
It is a real asset and good for comic relief.
Ross S
I can't build my plane without your service!
Kent H
Great info on the lists!
Wesley H
I'm very new to the List but have already benefited
greatly.
Jim S
The "List" has been my best source for information
concerning my aviation projects. Besides, it also
brings a bunch of people together to share their
interests and knowledge. Thanks for providing a
state of the art, easy to use resource tool.
David A
I have saved a lot of grief and dollars from referencing
this site. It is truly an extension of Van's product
support.
Joseph C
Terrific asset this List is to the builder!
Scott J
Great service!
Tony B
Look forward to the list each and every day.
John B
I could not cope up here in this lonely island without
the help of the List and all the wonderful helpful
people that have the experience of aircraft building
and flying for fun.
Johann J
This list is part of my daily routine. I'm addicted.
Terry D
Great forum!
John H
This list is my main interest in the Internet.
George R
Great list. The best out there on any subject.
Kevin H
Been on the list since 1998 and I still look forward to
reading the list every day. A most valuable tool. I have
picked up many useful tips during the construction of
my RV-4.
Jerry I
Thanks for all of your hard work on the lists. It is
one of the reasons I bought a CJ-6A. Without the
Yak-list, I believe it would have been much more
difficult to get all the information that I need
for safe operation and maintenance of this fine
aircraft.
David L
The List has been an amazing source of useful
information. I consider it one of my best builder
tools.
Gunter M
An excellent channel of information. I have gained a
wealth of knowledge on both building and flying Kolb
aircraft.
Jim B
Enjoy the wealth of information that is shared.
Richard N
Fine service.
Beauford T
[The] List is the first stop of the day. Made lot of
friends from it.
Orie S
The information I gleaned off the List has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
Over the 3+ years that I have been building, I check it
several times each day. I have learned a lot of very
useful tips that have helped me in my building.
Richard D
Not only is it worth a contribution for the info gleaned
from it but the personalities alone are pure entertainment!
Stephen F
This is great stuff!!! Entertaining, too!! Fast answers
from those who really know...
Bob R
I am building an RV-9A and have received help from
the lists and occasionally been able to give help to
others.
Alden Van W
This list has saved me countless hours of work and worry
already, and I'm only halfway there! Undoubtedly the most
important aid I have yet found in this sometimes
intimidating process of building an aircraft.
Paul H
I've been a member since '96 and have learned so much from
the vast knowledge of the listers.
Gary Z
Outstanding List, exceptionally maintained.
David S
Thanks for all the improvements you've made this year. The
Photoshare feature definitely proves "one picture is worth
a thousand words".
Richard H
I finished my RV6A this year. It is a much better airplane
because of the help I found on the RV and Aeroelectric
Lists.
Dale W
Can't imagine building without the list.
Larry H
The list continues to be a great resource of information
and advice.
Jeff O
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From: | "Richard Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net> |
Subject: | Naca vent in place of cowl snout |
I would like to eliminate the engine air snout on the bottom of the cowl. The
engine I have ordered from aerosport power will have fuel injection with the air
intake mounted in the horizontal position. Is there any reason a NACA vent
lined up with the F.I. on the lower front of the cowl would not adequately supply
air for the engine. What size, 2 inch or larger? Maybe a course screen
to keep out bugs, etc. I plan to change oil at 25 hour intervals and operate
only from paved runways so I don't consider an air filter as all that necessary.
Thanks for your thoughts,
Rick Fogerson
RV3 fuselage
Boise, ID
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From: | "Richard Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net> |
Subject: | F318 baggage bulkhead? |
Any RV3 builders know what the F-318 baggage bulkhead looks like and where it goes
exactly? The instructions on page 8-5, last Paragraph, Baggage Compartment
say only it is installed with platenuts. I cannot find it in the drawings (although
the instructions mention Dwgs 36, 28, and 29, they are about landing
gear) and no one at Van's so far knows what it is. I'm stumped on this one so
any help would be appreciated!
Rick Fogerson
RV3 fuselage
Boise, ID
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From: | "Richard Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net> |
Subject: | Tail wheel bronze thrust washer source |
Does anyone know where to get a bronze thrust washer. The RV 3 plans call for
a 1/2 inch ID thrust washer on top of the tail wheel yoke where it mounts to the
tail spring. Van's doesn't have them and doesn't know where to get them????
Rick Fogerson
RV3 fuselage
Boise, ID
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From: | "flyseaplane" <flyseaplane(at)netzero.net> |
Subject: | Re: Tail wheel bronze thrust washer source |
Why does the washer have to be bronze? If it goes between tailwheel yoke and
spring, it could be aluminum or ?????
"Does anyone know where to get a bronze thrust washer. The RV 3 plans call
for a 1/2 inch ID thrust washer on top of the tail wheel yoke where it
mounts to the tail spring. Van's doesn't have them and doesn't know where
to get them????"
>
> Rick Fogerson
> RV3 fuselage
---------------------------------------------
1st month Free!
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From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Tail wheel bronze thrust washer source |
Hi Rick,
I believe it is a standard cad plated steel washer. Just put some grease on
it.
My RV-3 has Van's standard tail wheel yoke. Except it has a steel washer
welded on top, instead of the fixed arms for the steering springs. No
"bronze thrust washer". Just the bronze bushing in the tube.
Jim Ayers
RV-3 N47RV LOM M332A engine Warnke FP wood prop
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From: | "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: Tail wheel bronze thrust washer source |
get your local machinist buddy to make you one.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net>
Subject: RV3-List: Tail wheel bronze thrust washer source
>
> Does anyone know where to get a bronze thrust washer. The RV 3 plans call
for a 1/2 inch ID thrust washer on top of the tail wheel yoke where it
mounts to the tail spring. Van's doesn't have them and doesn't know where
to get them????
>
> Rick Fogerson
> RV3 fuselage
> Boise, ID
>
>
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From: | "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)mcleodusa.net> |
Subject: | Re: RV-List: Tail wheel bronze thrust washer source |
Richard Fogerson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Fogerson"
>
> Does anyone know where to get a bronze thrust washer. The RV 3 plans call for
a 1/2 inch ID thrust washer on top of the tail wheel yoke where it mounts to
the tail spring. Van's doesn't have them and doesn't know where to get them????
>
> Rick Fogerson
> RV3 fuselage
> Boise, ID
>
Try a bearing shop. Dont mention airplane. Just tell them the size and they will
probably have it. Also go to McMaster-Carr and see what they have..
Phil
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | New Gift Selection Added - List Fund Raiser! [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I've just added a great new last minute Gift Selection to this year's List
Fund Raiser line up! I have a very limited number of sets of a wonderful
collection of Aircraft Technical books by Jeppesen entitled "The A&P
Technical Series Book Set". This is a great opportunity to make a generous
Contribution to support the Lists and walk away with a great set of
reference manuals at the same time.
This set of books normally retails for over $117 PLUS shipping, but you can
pick up your set AND make this year's List Contribution for a cool C-note -
that's a $100, by the way! :-) I'm thinking "Great Christmas Gift"...
There's more information on the books and making your Contribution at the
List Contribution web site:
Email List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
We're coming close to the official end of this year's List Fund Raiser and
if you haven't yet made your Contribution, there's still time get your name
on that List of Contributors! The percentage of contributors is kind of
low this year but I'm hoping many of you are just holding out until the
last minute!
I want to thank each and everyone of you that has already made a donation
to support the continued operation and upgrade of these List Services. As
I've mentioned in the past, running these Lists is a labor of love for me
and the hours upon hours of code development, system maintenance, and
upgrades are MY Contribution to support this great resource for Builders
and Flyer's alike. Won't your take a minute and make YOUR Contribution today?
I want to thank you for your support both during the Fund Raiser but also
throughout the year in the form of kind words and moral support. A nice
comment from a List member about how much the lists have helped them is
always a sure way to brighten my day!
Thank you to all!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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From: | "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk> |
Subject: | F-318 Baggage Bulkhead |
Richard,
The F-318 came with my kit. It was a piece of 0.025 to be trimmed to overlap
the inside edges of the F-306 bulkhead by about 3/4-1 inch, and had
stiffening beads pressed in.
As you say, it isn't shown on the "new" (1984 !) drawings, but on the
original drawings it appears on sheet 16 as a detail. It was then 0.016
2024, with 5 stiffening corrugations, and was attached with eight #8 screws
and anchor nuts. The bottom edge has to trimmed to clear the baggage floor,
the details varying as to whether you have the bulkhead flange facing
forward or aft.
It is referred to on page 8-14 of my notes, with a reference to dwgs 28,29
and 36, none of which are relevant.
FWIW I will send you a copy of the old drawing off-list, but it's a bit
faded and may not scan well.
Shouldn't think anyone at Van's will have experience of the -3 apart from
the Man Himself, so you're on your own ! (although Gus has been helpful)
Good Luck
Bob Hodgson
RV3B fuselage skins - UK
----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Richard Fogerson" <rickf(at)velocitus.net>
> Subject: RV3-List: F318 baggage bulkhead?
>
>
> Any RV3 builders know what the F-318 baggage bulkhead looks like and where
it goes exactly? The instructions on page 8-5, last Paragraph, Baggage
Compartment say only it is installed with platenuts. I cannot find it in
the drawings (although the instructions mention Dwgs 36, 28, and 29, they
are about landing gear) and no one at Van's so far knows what it is. I'm
stumped on this one so any help would be appreciated!
>
> Rick Fogerson
> RV3 fuselage
> Boise, ID
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | [PLEASE READ!] "What is my Contribution used for?" |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What is my Contribution used for?", and this is a valid
question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support
enables. It provides for the expensive, business-class, high-speed
Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and
minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular
system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance
possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List
Browser. It pays for 14+ years worth of online archive data available for
instant random access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing,
developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List
Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, and Photoshare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and
your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer
viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements
about these days? I will venture to say - next to none...
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable aspects
of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your List
Contribution. Its the best investment you can make in your Sport - BAR NONE!
Email List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
This is the last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser. Based on previous
year's percentages of Lister's making a Contribution, this year we are
nearly 40% behind the normal... And I thought all those great gifts would
eke the percentage up past the average a little. Oh well. Maybe people
just don't really mind the flashing banner ads for Viagra, and popups for
X10 minicams...
There's still plenty of time to get your name of the List of
Contributors. I'll probably publish the LOC on Monday night after I
process the checks from the Post Office.
I do want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so
far this year. Your support is greatly appreciated and is what makes the
Lists possible.
How to support your Lists this month: http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | All New List Digest Format!! |
Dear Listers,
I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your
thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of
proud of it, that is true... :-)
What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the
following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I
introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get
different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line
within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with a
HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only
version of the Digests.
I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the
Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual
posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will:
o Take you back to the Index
o Take you to the next post
o Take you to the previous post
o Allow you to respond to the LIST regarding the message
o Allow you to respond directly to the POSTER regarding the message
You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new
format! :-)
The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been
normally sent in line within the message.
You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they
can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future
reference.
Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!!
Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | New, NEW List Digest Format... |
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Subject: | [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Fred Stucklen
Subject: RV-6A IFR Inst Panel & Wiring
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/wstucklen1@cox.net.01.02.2003/index.html
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o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE
Share your files and photos with other List members simply by
emailing the files to:
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Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text
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o Main Photo Share Index:
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From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Ollie Washburn
Subject: RV Tow Bars...
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From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Daniel Carley
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o Main Photo Share Index
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o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
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6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
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From: | "Jolly" <jollyd(at)ipns.com> |
I have 1 and 1/2 RV3 kit/s...two plans sets with ser. numbers...one set completed
wings, one set uncompleted with ad spar kit...two sets tail group.one fuse
75% completed with engine mount and un-bent gear legs..also 1- 0290G..0SMOH..1-0290g
case modified nose ring, and aircraft sump..sale or trade...located aurora,
or.
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From: | "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Test
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From: | "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Anyone got an 0-235 RV 3 and some performance data?
I've got an opportunity to buy an 235 L2C Lyc rather cheap and as I hate
seeing a bargain slip by I don't want to pass it up but.........if the
figures are way behind a 320
then I'll give it a miss. I know this is a vague request as
there are so many variables to the performance equation
but some real data would be nice.
Cheers
Bruce
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From: | "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk> |
Subject: | O-235 against O-320 : (was I'm back!) |
Bruce,
Haven't flown yet and don't have real data, but I'm hoping for about 205 mph
and 2000 fpm at 'sea level' from my 3 with an O-320-A and Pacesetter 68x69.
The O-235-L2C should produce 115 bhp, so Vmax should then be about 188 with
the same prop. Climb would suffer more than top speed; maybe 1500 fpm. These
are just guesstimations from speed varying as the cube root of power and RoC
varying linearly with excess power. If I'm wrong no doubt someone will
correct me PDQ !
BTW I think the L2C is 8.5 compression and needs 100 octane.
Bob (UK)
RV3B Canoe
----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com>
> Subject: RV3-List: I'm back!
>
>
> Anyone got an 0-235 RV 3 and some performance data?
> I've got an opportunity to buy an 235 L2C Lyc rather cheap and as I hate
> seeing a bargain slip by I don't want to pass it up but.........if the
> figures are way behind a 320
> then I'll give it a miss. I know this is a vague request as
> there are so many variables to the performance equation
> but some real data would be nice.
>
> Cheers
> Bruce
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From: | "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Subject: | Re: O-235 against O-320 : (was I'm back!) |
Hi Bob,
I've started reading my way through 21 years of RVator last night and came
across
a fairly long piece on HP V Speed etc etc, after a while I was lost in
thought
and had to read it again and again and the more I read the more numb I
became! maybe it was the Gin and tonics!
Anyway as it stands I don't know what to buy, do or which way to think! so
many
options I guess, just as well I'm painting the house now as it gives me
lotsa time to
chew it over.
Bob how did you arive at the 68 x 69 Pacesetter prop? was it a purely
mathematical
decission or other use one? just curious.
Gotta go, back fence blew down last night and the neighbours horse is eating
his
way through my garden!!!! urrggggggghhhhh,,,, pitty I can't make it into
dog food ;o)
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: RV3-List: O-235 against O-320 : (was I'm back!)
>
> Bruce,
> Haven't flown yet and don't have real data, but I'm hoping for about 205
mph
> and 2000 fpm at 'sea level' from my 3 with an O-320-A and Pacesetter
68x69.
> The O-235-L2C should produce 115 bhp, so Vmax should then be about 188
with
> the same prop. Climb would suffer more than top speed; maybe 1500 fpm.
These
> are just guesstimations from speed varying as the cube root of power and
RoC
> varying linearly with excess power. If I'm wrong no doubt someone will
> correct me PDQ !
>
> BTW I think the L2C is 8.5 compression and needs 100 octane.
>
> Bob (UK)
> RV3B Canoe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com>
> > Subject: RV3-List: I'm back!
> >
>
> >
> > Anyone got an 0-235 RV 3 and some performance data?
> > I've got an opportunity to buy an 235 L2C Lyc rather cheap and as I hate
> > seeing a bargain slip by I don't want to pass it up but.........if the
> > figures are way behind a 320
> > then I'll give it a miss. I know this is a vague request as
> > there are so many variables to the performance equation
> > but some real data would be nice.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Bruce
>
>
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From: | "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk> |
Subject: | O-235 against O-320 : (was I'm back!) |
Morning Bruce (at least it's morning here!),
Just looked again at Van's website - they have similar figures to what we
thought, i.e. perhaps 207mph/2050fpm with 150 hp, 195/1700 with 125, so
188/1500 with 115 is close enough considering all the variables with
individual aeroplanes. Generally, more power improves climb impressively but
has little effect on horizontal speed.
O-320 is about 30lbs heavier, but weighs 1.79 lbs/hp against 2.09 lbs/hp for
the O-235.
There seem to be more O-320s than 235s available here, and prices are fairly
similar. Plus I already 'happened' to have one out of my old aeroplane
(Beagle Pup), so that seemed to be the way to go. I want to operate out of
short strips and do good vertical aeros too.
The propeller was bought years ago when it was virtually the standard
recommended prop. No rocket science involved !
Hope you get the horse corralled again. Sounds like the March Winds are
blowing like they're supposed to in the old rhyme - where are you ?
Bob
---------Original message--------
>
> From: "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: RV3-List: O-235 against O-320 : (was I'm back!)
>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> I've started reading my way through 21 years of RVator last night and came
> across
> a fairly long piece on HP V Speed etc etc, after a while I was lost in
> thought
> and had to read it again and again and the more I read the more numb I
> became! maybe it was the Gin and tonics!
>
> Anyway as it stands I don't know what to buy, do or which way to think! so
> many
> options I guess, just as well I'm painting the house now as it gives me
> lotsa time to
> chew it over.
>
> Bob how did you arive at the 68 x 69 Pacesetter prop? was it a purely
> mathematical
> decission or other use one? just curious.
>
> Gotta go, back fence blew down last night and the neighbours horse is
eating
> his
> way through my garden!!!! urrggggggghhhhh,,,, pitty I can't make it into
> dog food ;o)
>
> Bruce
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From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: O-235 against O-320 : (was I'm back!) |
In a message dated 03/02/2003 1:56:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk writes:
> Just looked again at Van's website - they have similar figures to what we
> thought, i.e. perhaps 207mph/2050fpm with 150 hp, 195/1700 with 125, so
> 188/1500 with 115 is close enough considering all the variables with
> individual aeroplanes.
They look like reasonable numbers. My IO-245 is in that speed and climb
range. Just a notch higher than what is shown. :-)
Jim Ayers
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From: | "Rick Fogerson" <rickf(at)cableone.net> |
Subject: | RV8 canopy slider parts for RV3 |
Does anyone know if any of the parts Van's supplies in the slider kits for planes
such as the RV8, 9, etc. will work for the RV3. I'm thinking of things like
the:
1) rolling slider on the front of the canopy
2) windscreen/longeron attach bracket
3) canopy latch system
thanks for any advise,
Rick Fogerson,
RV3 finish kit
Boise, ID
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From: | "Ron Rosenberg" <ronr(at)medicalpmrg.com> |
Listers:
I'm flying an RV3 with a tip-over canopy. I'm not the builder. I'd like to
investigate what it will take to fabricate/install/purchase a slider.
Anyone have any info on the slider for the 3??
Ron Rosenberg, PA, MPH
Practice Management Resource Group
325 Pine St., Sausalito, CA 94965
Sausalito Office -(415)925-4334
Chicago Office - (312) 543-5480
www.medicalpmrg.com
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Subject: | Re: RV3-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/03/03 |
From: | <pvans(at)pacifier.com> |
I have a flying RV3 with a sliding canopy. The canopy is very light and
mine slides real well on just the plastic blocks against the aluminum
fuselage rail.
The canopy tends to slide closed due to flight loads, so you do not need a
latch at all!
KISS principle at work here.
Peter
pvans(at)pacifier.com
>
> 1. 11:35 AM - RV8 canopy slider parts for RV3 (Rick Fogerson) 2.
> 03:19 PM - Sliding Canopy (Ron Rosenberg)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf(at)cableone.net>
> Subject: RV3-List: RV8 canopy slider parts for RV3
>
>
> Does anyone know if any of the parts Van's supplies in the slider kits
> for planes such as the RV8, 9, etc. will work for the RV3. I'm thinking
> of things like the:
>
> 1) rolling slider on the front of the canopy
> 2) windscreen/longeron attach bracket
> 3) canopy latch system
>
> thanks for any advise,
> Rick Fogerson,
> RV3 finish kit
> Boise, ID
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Ron Rosenberg" <ronr(at)medicalpmrg.com>
> Subject: RV3-List: Sliding Canopy
>
>
> Listers:
>
> I'm flying an RV3 with a tip-over canopy. I'm not the builder. I'd
> like to investigate what it will take to fabricate/install/purchase a
> slider. Anyone have any info on the slider for the 3??
>
> Ron Rosenberg, PA, MPH
> Practice Management Resource Group
> 325 Pine St., Sausalito, CA 94965
> Sausalito Office -(415)925-4334
> Chicago Office - (312) 543-5480
> www.medicalpmrg.com
>
>
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From: | "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Subject: | Re: Sliding Canopy |
Hi Ron,
check out dwg 34, 1984 onwards, it shows the details.
Seems easy enough.
Bruce
>
> Listers:
>
> I'm flying an RV3 with a tip-over canopy. I'm not the builder. I'd like
to
> investigate what it will take to fabricate/install/purchase a slider.
> Anyone have any info on the slider for the 3??
>
> Ron Rosenberg, PA, MPH
> Practice Management Resource Group
> 325 Pine St., Sausalito, CA 94965
> Sausalito Office -(415)925-4334
> Chicago Office - (312) 543-5480
> www.medicalpmrg.com
>
>
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From: | "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Subject: | Re: RV8 canopy slider parts for RV3 |
Hi Rick,
I've had a look at the plans and from what I can see the canopy
parts for the 3 are probably unique to that type. The slider is
surprisingly simple and it would not be hard to make all the bits and
pieces from the plans.
To try and answer the questions.
1. There are milled nylon blocks which form the "front sliders"
as it were, they are 3/4 x 3/4 x 15/16 blocks which attach to and run
paralell with a longeron. No rollers here, friction/ loose fit.
2.There is a 1/2" hoop as it were which attach's to the "front screen" and
to a longeron, is this your area of question? I'd be very surprised if there
was
any similarity between the 3 and 8 or 9.
3. The latch is a straight forward affair and may be compatable with other
types like the 8 but it was designed a long time before the 8 was
probably even thought about, see section F-F dwg 34, 1984 and onwards.
I know I didn't help much.
Bruce
>
> Does anyone know if any of the parts Van's supplies in the slider kits for
planes such as the RV8, 9, etc. will work for the RV3. I'm thinking of
things like the:
>
> 1) rolling slider on the front of the canopy
> 2) windscreen/longeron attach bracket
> 3) canopy latch system
>
> thanks for any advise,
> Rick Fogerson,
> RV3 finish kit
> Boise, ID
>
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Subject: | RE: RV3-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/04/03 |
From: | "Linzel Gray Civ 43CES/CECP" <Gray.Linzel(at)pope.af.mil> |
You might lose some of the F-16 like forward visibility with a slider. I build
my RV3 with tip over for simplicity and to reduce construction time. The slider
does look cooler though I think.
Gray
>
> Listers:
>
> I'm flying an RV3 with a tip-over canopy. I'm not the builder. I'd like
to
> investigate what it will take to fabricate/install/purchase a slider.
> Anyone have any info on the slider for the 3??
>
> Ron Rosenberg, PA, MPH
> Practice Management Resource Group
> 325 Pine St., Sausalito, CA 94965
> Sausalito Office -(415)925-4334
> Chicago Office - (312) 543-5480
> www.medicalpmrg.com
>
>
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From: | "Rick Fogerson" <rickf(at)cableone.net> |
Subject: | Experimental Placard in single seaters |
Hi listers,
Does anyone know if experimental is required in a single seater?
Thanks
Rick Fogerson
RV3 finish kit
Boise, ID
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement... |
Dear Listers,
Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a
"total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page,
and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think
many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin...
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Subject: | RV-3Kit For Sale |
RV-3 Fuselage & Tailfeather Kit (does not include canopy, motor mount, and gear).
Wings, flaps, and one aileron completed. Will consider delivery for expenses.
Located near Tampa & Lakeland Sun N Fun. Come down and see and take back
with you. $1,500 Call Harry @ 813-610-8226 e-mail: hmckay(at)juno.com
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Subject: | Re:RV3-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/30/03 |
Hi Ed, thanks for responding. I honestly do not know the age of the kit. I received
the kit on a trade with a retired Eastern Airlines Captain. He does not
know the history of the kit either. I do not have the plans for it so that
is a dead end. Tell me how I can tell and I will look, take pictures, etc. to
find out all I can. The wings were riveted with round head rivets rather than
flush rivets. Round head riveting is stronger than flush and is probably the
reason the builder used them instead of flush. The wings do not have wing tanks.
I will make every attempt to get you or any other potential buyer the information
you need to know what you are getting. I want you to feel good about it and
have value. I am not trying to make a dishonest buck off you or anyone else.
My reputation is important to me.
Are you comming to Sun N Fun? If so you can go and see it. I'll drive you there.
It's probably a 15-20 minute drive to the site. I may take it to Sun N Fun
Fly mart and market it there also. Harry McKay
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
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Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! |
Dear Listers,
I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the 1.5Mb
T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line
and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over
connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished
some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and
interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised!
Enjoy!
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From: | Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO <Brock.Vaughn(at)hanscom.af.mil> |
AYMAR DEMUTH PROP FAILURE.
I am searching for any information about Aymar DeMuth prop failures. As of
today I know of two. One can be found on the NTSB site involving a RV-4 and
the other was me in an RV-3 which will post to the NTSB in 60 days. The
reputation of Mr DeMuth precedes him. I understand he has denied any
responsibility and liability for what is clear evidence of delaminating
through inadequate technique or manufacturing. I am looking for any fact
based data to document any prop failures.
I realize most experimental incidents go unreported due to various reasons
(lack of time to file, lack of knowledge of procedures to file, not knowing
who to contact, fear of FAA etc). I would speculate there are several prop
failures that are out there and I would like to learn of them. Particularly
Aymar DeMuth props. Rest assured, that there is no repercussion for
surviving a prop failure and not reporting it to the FAA and my purpose is
to simple scope the size of the problem.
The facts are my prop failed at 10,500 feet and shook enough to instantly
rip the spinner off. I was above a broken cloud deck and could not see the
ground clearly. I declared an emergency with NY approach and the controller
vectored me to the closest airport 8 miles away. I landed without event or
damage (other than the prop and spinner).
Put yourself in my position. Would you have made it? If so, would your
wife let you keep the plane after the fact? Do you have the disposable
income to buy a prop and press on? Is the risk of doubling your insurance
premium for the next 10 years sound like the solution?
I would like to write how well the prop worked and increased the top end by
18 knots and only lost 700 FPM climb performance. Unfortunately the prop
delaminated and could have killed me...
BV
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO <Brock.Vaughn(at)hanscom.af.mil> |
Subject: | Re: Prop Failure |
I spoke to Mike DeMuth yesterday for over an hour. I seems I was incorrect
about the manor in which things happened. After a response from a helpful
person replying to my message I realized my first message was not objective.
Mike DeMuth was a fountain of knowledge and I am grateful he imparted some
of his 30+ years of prop experience to me. After speaking with him I could
not help but agree that the spinner came off first and the prop failure
resulted in the spinner hitting the weakest part of the prop (trailing edge)
resulting in its failure. The TE and spinner were not recovered and there
is little evidence of exactly what happened. Regardless, the chain of
events makes sense and is good enough in my book.
The summary of this issue is to ensure your spinner has at least 3/8 to 1/2
" of clearance around the prop (mine had ") and to ensure the screws
holding the spinner are properly torqued. If the screws are ever over
torqued and you have a wood prop, it would be in your best interest to
replace the spinner immediately or not fly with the spinner. Repairing a
$100 item that if it fails can kill you is not worth the effort or repair
and replacement is more sound in my mind. The proper torque is probably
around 10-15 inch pounds, roughly setting 1 or 2 on a Makita drill. When
the fiberglass is over torqued it fractures. The fractured hole may fail
and then another because the load is increased on the surrounding hole
because of the previously failed hole. The extra load fails the next hole,
etc... Since wood props require re-torquing every 25 hours or at major temp
changes (seasonal changes), it is likely that you will eventually run the
risk of over torquing a screw. Given my spinner was 10 years old and the
plane always had a wood prop, the spinner more likely came off 25-50 times.
Likely chance of getting over tightened.
I learned that the trailing edge can easily be damaged by simple ground
handling. Given the fact that many planes are in shared hangers and moved
w/o your knowledge, I would highly recommend you consider posting a sign on
you prop clearly stating something to the effect of "WOOD PROP DO NOT
PUSH/PULL". It is possible to move an airplane and put too much force on
the trailing edge and fracture it. Add sloping ramps, snow, grass fields
and unfamiliar people (students pilots) having poor ground handling skills,
and you can see the probability of inadvertently damaging the TE w/o
realizing it.
BROCK VAUGHN
781 354-6656
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Vaughn Brock Capt ESC/AWXO <Brock.Vaughn(at)hanscom.af.mil> |
Subject: | Re: Prop Failure |
I spoke to Mike DeMuth yesterday for over an hour. I seems I was incorrect
about the manor in which things happened. After a response from a helpful
person replying to my message I realized my first message was not objective.
Mike DeMuth was a fountain of knowledge and I am grateful he imparted some
of his 30+ years of prop experience to me. After speaking with him I could
not help but agree that the spinner came off first and the prop failure
resulted in the spinner hitting the weakest part of the prop (trailing edge)
resulting in its failure. The TE and spinner were not recovered and there
is little evidence of exactly what happened. Regardless, the chain of
events makes sense and is good enough in my book.
The summary of this issue is to ensure your spinner has at least 3/8 to 1/2
" of clearance around the prop (mine had ") and to ensure the screws
holding the spinner are properly torqued. If the screws are ever over
torqued and you have a wood prop, it would be in your best interest to
replace the spinner immediately or not fly with the spinner. Repairing a
$100 item that if it fails can kill you is not worth the effort or repair
and replacement is more sound in my mind. The proper torque is probably
around 10-15 inch pounds, roughly setting 1 or 2 on a Makita drill. When
the fiberglass is over torqued it fractures. The fractured hole may fail
and then another because the load is increased on the surrounding hole
because of the previously failed hole. The extra load fails the next hole,
etc... Since wood props require re-torquing every 25 hours or at major temp
changes (seasonal changes), it is likely that you will eventually run the
risk of over torquing a screw. Given my spinner was 10 years old and the
plane always had a wood prop, the spinner more likely came off 25-50 times.
Likely chance of getting over tightened.
I learned that the trailing edge can easily be damaged by simple ground
handling. Given the fact that many planes are in shared hangers and moved
w/o your knowledge, I would highly recommend you consider posting a sign on
you prop clearly stating something to the effect of "WOOD PROP DO NOT
PUSH/PULL". It is possible to move an airplane and put too much force on
the trailing edge and fracture it. Add sloping ramps, snow, grass fields
and unfamiliar people (students pilots) having poor ground handling skills,
and you can see the probability of inadvertently damaging the TE w/o
realizing it.
BROCK VAUGHN
781 354-6656
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From: | "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Subject: | Re: Prop Failure |
Brock,
well at least you survived and you have probably learned heaps as a result.
A friend here in Australia is also lucky as well, during the 50's he was in
the
RAF and posted to the middle east somewhere, while flying from one sandy
hell hole to another he was a passenger looking out the window and noticed
something odd with the spinner on the front of one of the port engines, he
thought
about it for a while and went and tapped the pilot on the shoulder and
pointed out
the window to the port engine spinner.
The pilot went grey and said lots of interesting words, pulled the power off
and
landed ASAP, as it turned out a number of that type of aircraft had crashed
and
the cause was a mystery for a fair while, no one survived to tell the
tale.......no one!
The RAF had kept this all under wraps for years, turns out the spinners
failed taking
out the prop sufficiently to cause massive imbalance, by then its all over,
engine
tears wing apart.
The guys name is Dave Burman, lives in Berry, South Coast NSW Australia,
he's one real interesting guy to talk to.
Cheers
Bruce
>
> I spoke to Mike DeMuth yesterday for over an hour. I seems I was
incorrect
> about the manor in which things happened. After a response from a helpful
> person replying to my message I realized my first message was not
objective.
> Mike DeMuth was a fountain of knowledge and I am grateful he imparted some
> of his 30+ years of prop experience to me.
>
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From: | "rv6apjb" <rv6apjb(at)attbi.com> |
Subject: | Looking for a RV-3A |
I have a friend looking for a RV-3A to purchase.
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From: | "Randy Compton" <rdcompton(at)earthlink.net> |
Subject: | Re: Looking for a RV-3A |
I've got an RV-3A that I'm thinking of selling. It was built from 1992 to
1994, and has about 400 hours on the airframe and 65 hours since a major
overhaul to factory-new specs with high compression 9:1 pistons and flow
matched new cylinders. Horsepower is approximately 170 according to the
engine shop.
It has a basic IFR panel, along with a Garmin 295 color moving map GPS. It
also has an Electronics International engine analyzer and tachometer. Other
instruments include oil pressure and temp, fuel pressure, manifold pressure,
voltmeter, and a remote sensed electronic compass. It also has a
lightweight starter, and a Lightspeed Ignition on the right side.
The overall condition is very good. The plane has always been hangared.
Let me know if you are interested.
Thanks,
Randy Compton
Gulf Breeze, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "rv6apjb" <rv6apjb(at)attbi.com>
Subject: RV3-List: Looking for a RV-3A
>
> I have a friend looking for a RV-3A to purchase.
>
>
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From: | "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi 3er's,
can someone tell me the diameter of the 4130 tube used
on the ruder pedals, the piece that is welded between the side
plates?
Thanks
Bruce
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From: | "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk> |
Subject: | Re: Tube diameter |
Bruce,
Dwg 31 (1984) doesn't call out the size, but looks like 5/8 dia.scaled. This
ties up with the early drawings, which show an 'I' shape weldment of 5/8" x
0.035" tube.
Bob (UK)
RV3B fuselage top skins
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com>
> Subject: RV3-List: Tube diameter
>
>
> Hi 3er's,
>
> can someone tell me the diameter of the 4130 tube used
> on the ruder pedals, the piece that is welded between the side
> plates?
>
> Thanks
> Bruce
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Bruce Stewart <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Subject: | Re: Tube diameter |
Thanks Bob,
I've recently bogged down in thoughts about changing some aspects
of the RV 3 after reading Kent Pasers book "Speed with Economy"
which was an eye opener, he attained 60 mph more and 50% reduction
in fuel on his Mustang II, as for the rudder pedals thats just a bye the bye
but important non the less.
I also notice the .050 4130 for the engine mount/ longeron brackets and
somewhere which I can't recall there was a change to .063 thou, are yours
the
.050??
Bruce
Down under and getting cold!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: RV3-List: Tube diameter
>
> Bruce,
> Dwg 31 (1984) doesn't call out the size, but looks like 5/8 dia.scaled.
This
> ties up with the early drawings, which show an 'I' shape weldment of 5/8"
x
> 0.035" tube.
>
> Bob (UK)
> RV3B fuselage top skins
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com>
> > Subject: RV3-List: Tube diameter
> >
>
> >
> > Hi 3er's,
> >
> > can someone tell me the diameter of the 4130 tube used
> > on the ruder pedals, the piece that is welded between the side
> > plates?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bruce
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Tube diameter |
In a message dated 05/21/2003 1:34:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com writes:
> I've recently bogged down in thoughts about changing some aspects
> of the RV 3 after reading Kent Pasers book "Speed with Economy"
> which was an eye opener, he attained 60 mph more and 50% reduction
> in fuel on his Mustang II, as for the rudder pedals thats just a bye the
> bye
> but important non the less.
>
Please read the speed summary page of "Speed with Economy". The top
two-thirds of his list basically comes free with the RV. (Except for the
turtle deck.)
Most of the speed improvement is in the top two-thirds of the list. Van's
Aircraft did a good job to start with.
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Bob Hodgson" <bob(at)hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk> |
Subject: | Re: RV3-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/21/03 |
Bruce,
Don't tell me I've got to remake the engine mount angles in 063 ! - All
those hours mining the ore etc etc.
Both my sets of drawings (printed 1973 and 1984) have .050. Are the new
ready-made ones .063 ?
Paser did wonders with his M-II, but I think my -3 with an 0-320 and perhaps
PR wheel pants will be 'adequate' esp. in UK, where the distances are short.
Always happy to save fuel money though, so may put some effort into details
to keep drag down.
Thinking about a flat-wrap windscreen, mainly for aesthetics, but may also
spread out and reduce any high-pressure area at the bottom centre of the
standard bubble, at the cost of distortion in the landing flare. Doesn't
obey the KISS principle though.
Bob
(Up top and getting, well, a bit less cold!)
----- Original Message -----
>
> Thanks Bob,
>
> I've recently bogged down in thoughts about changing some aspects
> of the RV 3 after reading Kent Pasers book "Speed with Economy"
> which was an eye opener, he attained 60 mph more and 50% reduction
> in fuel on his Mustang II, as for the rudder pedals thats just a bye the
bye
> but important non the less.
>
> I also notice the .050 4130 for the engine mount/ longeron brackets and
> somewhere which I can't recall there was a change to .063 thou, are yours
> the
> .050??
>
> Bruce
> Down under and getting cold!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Bruce Stewart" <bruce.stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Subject: | Re: RV3-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/21/03 |
Bob,
I found the article I was reading in 21 years of RV loonies
and it was based around the RV4 mount angles and if I
recall someone had done a few heavy landings and the 50 thou
ones were cracked so 63 thou ones were replaced. I gather if
the origional ones are looked after there shouldn't be a problem.
B
>
> Bruce,
> Don't tell me I've got to remake the engine mount angles in 063 ! - All
> those hours mining the ore etc etc.
> Both my sets of drawings (printed 1973 and 1984) have .050. Are the new
> ready-made ones .063 ?
>
> Paser did wonders with his M-II, but I think my -3 with an 0-320 and
perhaps
> PR wheel pants will be 'adequate' esp. in UK, where the distances are
short.
> Always happy to save fuel money though, so may put some effort into
details
> to keep drag down.
> Thinking about a flat-wrap windscreen, mainly for aesthetics, but may also
> spread out and reduce any high-pressure area at the bottom centre of the
> standard bubble, at the cost of distortion in the landing flare. Doesn't
> obey the KISS principle though.
>
> Bob
>
> (Up top and getting, well, a bit less cold!)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > Thanks Bob,
> >
> > I've recently bogged down in thoughts about changing some aspects
> > of the RV 3 after reading Kent Pasers book "Speed with Economy"
> > which was an eye opener, he attained 60 mph more and 50% reduction
> > in fuel on his Mustang II, as for the rudder pedals thats just a bye the
> bye
> > but important non the less.
> >
> > I also notice the .050 4130 for the engine mount/ longeron brackets and
> > somewhere which I can't recall there was a change to .063 thou, are
yours
> > the
> > .050??
> >
> > Bruce
> > Down under and getting cold!
>
>
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, ,
,
Subject: | I have an O-320 D1A, 200 hours TTSN, asking $16k |
Hi Guys & Gals,
I've got a nice Lycoming O-320 D1A, 200 hours TTSN (total time since new),
with factory carb, mags, and more... asking $16-k to a good home, I'm located
in Coalinga California (middle of the state), I can't seem to get anyone in this
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reason. Give me a call or drop me an email if interested. Thanks,
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, ,
, ,
"David - O320 - Shani" ,
Subject: | The O-320 D1A has been sold & taken away |
Thanks everyone... I wish I could sell you all an O-320, but I only had one.
Ron was the first to reply and true to his word, came and got it. Sooooooo,
the only engine I got left for sale is a 75 hp 2 stroke, 4 cylinder, McCullah
motor (carb, prop hub, exhaust, & mag included). However I wouldn't recommend
it for an RV, because it feels like it only weighs about 75 lbs. I got it
in trade from "a friend" who says it was for a Military Drone, it has zero time,
and it's used for gyro-planes mostly but they have been mounted on other
planes like Sonerai's, Kit Foxes, etc... Hey make an offer, I got no use for
it, and I'll let it go cheap (just something else I can tell my wife "I sold
it!".... that makes her happy).
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following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | [ Bob Olds ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Bob Olds
Subject: How to build cheap strobe/tail wingtip lights
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.09.03.2003/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | [ Pat Long ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Pat Long
Subject: Cracks in Wood Prop Hub Bore
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/PGLong@aol.com.09.13.2003/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
Subject: | New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this
evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes
in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming
email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent
to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-)
The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses
each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely
effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its
time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
solution.
I will post a follow up message later in the week when things
have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | [ Ken Brooks ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Ken Brooks
Subject: Remote Magnetometer Shelf and CPU Mount for Blue Mountain Avionics
EFIS-One in RV-8
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/kenbrooks@charter.com.09.20.2003/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems |
For Some Members...?
Dear Listers,
Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the
excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List
Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email
messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and
reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed great!
While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new
appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are being
blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn
through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages
trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked.
If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM
filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will
allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use
email. If the SPAM filter is blocking your email address for some reason,
then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email
regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming email
and directs your message directly to me.
Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you
are having including any bounced email or email error messages that you may
have received back in regard to your posts to the lists. The more
information I have about the email you are sending and what the errors you
are receiving, the better chance I'll have in hunting down the problem.
The Trouble Report Website URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report/
I apologize for any inconvenience the SPAM filter may be causing you. I
will work toward resolving your issues as quickly as possible.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Leesafur(at)aol.com |
How does the 51% rule work when you buy somebody else project?
Lee Sahr
Anoka, MN
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Finn Lassen <finnlassen(at)netzero.net> |
If you get the previous builder's logs and photos, you should not have a
problem getting it certified.
However, you may have a problem getting the Repairman's cert. If you buy
a nearly complete project I doubt that you'll be able to convince the
inspector that you have the nessecary skills to warrant a Repairman's
cert for the plane.
No big deal if you have an A&P that can do the annual condition
inspection for you.
Finn
Leesafur(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>How does the 51% rule work when you buy somebody else project?
>
>
>Lee Sahr
>Anoka, MN
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
Doesn't apply!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Leesafur(at)aol.com>
Subject: RV3-List: 51%
>
> How does the 51% rule work when you buy somebody else project?
>
>
> Lee Sahr
> Anoka, MN
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Leesafur(at)aol.com |
What do you mean? "Doesn't apply"
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
Once the project meets the "over 50% rule" then it doesn't matter how many
builders there are nor how much each builds. You can even get your "limited
Repairman's Certificate" if you can demonstrate that you know how to build
the airplane. Teachers have done this when their students did ALL the work.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: <Leesafur(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV3-List: 51%
>
> What do you mean? "Doesn't apply"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
The 51% rule applies to the kit, not who is building it. Nor how many
have/are building the kit.
Who the FAA allows to get the aircraft repairmen certificate is affected by
how many people have/are working on the project.
Jim Ayers
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | [ Henry Hore ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Henry Hore <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Subject: Corrosion Inside Fuel Tank Cap
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com.09.27.2003/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Leesafur(at)aol.com |
Thanks for the info guy's looks like IM buying a RV-3 tail and wing kit!
Lee Sahr
Anoka, MN
________________________________________________________________________________
I'm Geoff Bowman and starting to look for another project. Can you give me
comments why you went with the RV--? resale value, speed efficiency, building
style, etc??? Geoff
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | [ Henry Hore ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Henry Hore <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
Subject: Rivet-gun double off-set holder for one hand operation.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com.09.28.2003/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! |
Hi Listers!
A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to
download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer
or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest
Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come
up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download
website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the
yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
try you browser because it'll probably just work.
Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be
accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom
of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat
Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address
in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other
Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat
rooms as "MattDralle".
There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer
and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control
Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other
things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be
treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when
someone sends a message.
The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window
from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like.
Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome
new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this
List's specific Chat Room!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon...
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show how much traffic
the Lists generated this year alone:
* 11/01/2002 - 10/31/2003
o Web server hits: 10,446,780 (870,565/mo)
o Incoming Email Posts: 58,918 (4,909/mo)
List-related upgrades this year have been plentiful, and List performance
has substantially improved as a result. Upgrades and enhancements this
year have included:
* Internet Connection upgrade to a full, commercial-grade T1 Line!
* New Web Server platform - Dual 3Ghz Xeon with 2Gb Ram and U320 SCSI!
* Upgrade of Email Server platform - Dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon with 1Gb Ram!
* All new SPAM Filtering Appliance - filters about 98% of the unwanted SPAM!
* All new, web-base List Chat Room society!
As you can well imagine, this year's upgrades translate into a fair amount
of cash outlay on my part and this annual List Fund Raiser is the sole
means by which I fund these upgrades. Unlike most of the other "list
servers" on the Web these days, I have a strict
*no-commercial-advertisement policy* on the Matronics Lists and associated
List web sites. I was again approached by a number of vendors recently
with advertising deals that have been very tempting. My commitment to
providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment prevailed,
however! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year, with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks.
My goal with the Matronics List Service is to provide all members
with a commercial-free, virus-free, and high-performance system
with which the may share information, ideas, and camaraderie.
The best news this year is that, with the gracious help of Andy Gold and
The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I have been able
to significantly expand the lineup of fantastic Gift offers to support the
List Fund Raiser! In all, there are eight awesome free gifts this year
ranging from List Archive CD's to Flight Computers with qualifying
Contribution levels. Those great Jeppesen Flight Bags that were so popular
last year are even back! A special thanks goes out to Andy Gold again this
year for his very kind and generous support of the Lists. Thanks Andy, for
these great incentives!!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR thoughtful and generous support!
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a personal check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as information
on the various methods of payment. Contributions in the $20, $30, $50,
$75, and $100 range are common. The Contribution web page is kind of long
this year with the details of each of the gifts, so please scroll all the
way down!
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this year! Your
Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com,
rv10-list(at)matronics.com, rvcanada-list(at)matronics.com,
rveurope-list(at)matronics.com
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | RVx-List vs. RV-List Subscriptions |
Dear RV-x Listers,
I was chatting with a nice fellow on the new Matronics RV6-List Chatroom
yesterday ( http://www.matronics.com/chat ), and he ask me an interesting
question. Basically, what he was saying was that he had been subscribed to
the RV-List back a few years ago and he used to get a lot of messages each
day. Recently, he resubscribed and now only gets a few messages. "What
Happened?", he wanted to know...
Long story short, originally he had subscribed to the non-model specific
List, the "RV-List(at)matronics.com". When he resubscribed, he just
subscribed to the model-specific List, the "RV6-List(at)matronics.com". Since
the model-specific Lists receive far less traffic than the main RV-List,
the mystery of his reduced content was solved. He's now subscribed to the
Main RV-List in addition to the RV6-List and is happily receiving a few
more messages each day.
I realize that many of you have made a conscious decision to only subscribe
to one or more of the model-specific Lists. This conversation did make me
wonder, though, just how many people have subscribed to the model-specific
Lists, not knowing that a lot of the RV dialog is really on the main
RV-List...?
Anyway, I thought I'd post a little message today and spread the word. I
did some number crunching on the RVx-Lists vs. RV-List subscriptions and
found that there are 819 unique people subscribed to one or more
model-specific RVx-Lists but that are NOT subscribed to the general
RV-List! That's a lot of people missing out on a main flow of RV information.
I've setup a little web page where you can check to see if you're currently
subscribed to the RV-List and easily subscribe if you're not!
http://www.matronics.com/rv-list/Am-I-Subscribed.html
The RV-List is where all the action is! Subscribe today! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? |
Dear Listers,
The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say
"Thank You" to everyone that has made a Contribution already this year!
Though the generous support of Andy Gold and the Builders Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I'm able to offer some truly awesome gifts
with qualifying Contributions this year. There's quite a line up and a
rather diverse set of options - certainly something for every taste and
personality. Here's a list of this year's fine options:
* List Archive CD
* Aircraft Builder's Log
* Pilot Flashlight System
* Pro Pilot Logbook
* FAR/AIM on CD
* Jeppesen Flight Bag
* Aviation History Book
* Techstar Flight Computer
Please support your Email List Community AND pick up a really slick Gift at
the same time! The SSL Secure Contribution web site can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously supported
the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists Services here on the
Matronics servers!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are some of the nice things people have been saying about the Lists
in that little message box on the Contribution form! Thank you to everyone
that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!!
If you haven't yet shown your support for these Lists, won't you take a
moment and make your Contribution today? The Matronics Lists are always
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, and High-performance and its your
direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that enables all of these
valuable services you've come to expect.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
================================================================
=================== What Listers Are Saying ====================
================================================================
You provide a service to us kit builders that cannot be measured.
-Clifford M.
...great service to the aviation community.
-Curt R.
Thanks for being there - your List has really been of help.
-Thomas R.
Your lists have been most helpful to my RV-9A project.
-Dean V.
...has been a great help to me.
-Jim N.
..."must-have" for RV builders and pilots.
-Douglas W.
I find something every day on the List that helps me in my project.
-Ron P.
...very valuable!
-Patrick L.
Don't know that I could have persevered and succeeded without the List.
-Curt R.
...service continues to be awesome and is one of the most helpful resources
for homebuilding that I have ever found.
-Jim H.
The information and hours of entertainment many of us derive from the Lists
is priceless.
-Chris R.
I learn a lot about my [aircraft] through the Lists...
- Lee P.
Great source of education and entertainment. Love it!!!
-Lar B.
Great List & very well organized.
-Peter D.
I couldn't build my [airplane] without this List.
-William G.
The List is an important part of my daily routine.
-Roger H.
...incredible resource.
-Ron P.
Excellent facility.
-David M.
...unmatched service to all builders and flyers.
-Ralph C.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Dear Listers,
I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and
also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here
provide a far better experience than the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages on line for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 10,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
90,000,000 (yes, that 90 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
-----------------------------------------------
The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-----------------------------------------------
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | What Listers Are Saying III |
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Deanna M Guy <madguy1(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I am looking to purchase a RV-3 and am looking for info on available A/C and also
what to look for ie: AD's and engine set-ups. I am located in the Sacramento
Ca. region, and would be interested in taking a look at some A/C close by.
Any Info Would Be Greatly Appreciated,
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)QCBC.ORG> |
, , ,
,
Subject: | Fw: pneumatic rivet squeezer |
SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS
> > I have pneumatic rivet squeezer on eBay.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/y6ih
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dave DeWinter
> > Former RV6 builder and owner
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Leesafur(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Fwd: Check out Aero-News Network |
From: Leesafur(at)aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:55:11 EST
Subject: Check out Aero-News Network
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From: | "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com> |
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Subject: | I made a donation & I'm registering as a Marrow donor |
Okay Guys (and Gals),
Donating was the EASY part (you can do it too, it will only hurt when my wife
aka "my banker" finds out). I also did some soul searching, cuz' it's gonna
take a lot of time & traveling, but I decided I'm gonna be tested as a donor.
I just registered and now I wait to get an appointment to be tested. I gotta
go up to Stanford Medical Center (it's the closest donor center to me) and
I'll let you all know how it goes.
I hope some other folks will consider taking the plunge, either donating $
or becoming a blood/marrow donor or both... ya'll know it's for good/deserving
people.
check out
http://www.marrow.org/HELP/join_the_registry.html
or
www.transplants.org
Take Care and Take Air my friends,
Chuck
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From: | "Paul Pflimlin" <pablo(at)phonewave.net> |
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Subject: | Re: RV7-List: I made a donation & I'm registering as a Marrow |
donor
In the interest of elimlinating SPAM, what the hell does this msg. got to do
with RV's??
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
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Subject: RV7-List: I made a donation & I'm registering as a Marrow donor
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut"
>
> Okay Guys (and Gals),
>
> Donating was the EASY part (you can do it too, it will only hurt when
my wife aka "my banker" finds out). I also did some soul searching, cuz'
it's gonna take a lot of time & traveling, but I decided I'm gonna be tested
as a donor. I just registered and now I wait to get an appointment to be
tested. I gotta go up to Stanford Medical Center (it's the closest donor
center to me) and I'll let you all know how it goes.
>
> I hope some other folks will consider taking the plunge, either
donating $ or becoming a blood/marrow donor or both... ya'll know it's for
good/deserving people.
>
> check out
>
> http://www.marrow.org/HELP/join_the_registry.html
>
> or
> www.transplants.org
>
>
> Take Care and Take Air my friends,
>
> Chuck
>
>
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From: | "Rick Fogerson" <rickf(at)cableone.net> |
"Chuck Brietigam"
Subject: | Help with 3 blade Catto Prop on RV3 |
I am ordering a 3 blade Catto prop for my RV3 with 0320 engine. The engine was
a rebuilt by AeroSport with dual E.I. and Air Flow Performance fuel injection.
I'm not sure what to tell Catto in terms of:
1) max performance HP
2) max RPM at say 8000 ft.
3) max airspeed at say 8000ft.
4) other useful info.
in order for him to carve the prop. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rick Fogerson
finishing wiring
Boise, ID
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From: | rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Help with 3 blade Catto Prop on RV3 |
Hi Rick, I have run two different Catto props on my 150 HP RV4 and my hangar neighbor
runs a Catto 3 blade on his 160HP RV4. I run a 68X72 two blade and I have
a carbureted, electronic ignition 0-320 7.4:1 pistons. I wanted 2700 rpm max
at SL/full throttle. My 68/72 is spot on. My neighbor with the three blade just
had Craig make him a new 3 blade as the original 3 blade was underpitched.
The new one is perfect for 160HP. Have Craig reference John Cobbs newest prop
for his RV4, it should be close for your airplane as well....
Rob Ray
Rick Fogerson wrote:
I am ordering a 3 blade Catto prop for my RV3 with 0320 engine. The engine was
a rebuilt by AeroSport with dual E.I. and Air Flow Performance fuel injection.
I'm not sure what to tell Catto in terms of:
1) max performance HP
2) max RPM at say 8000 ft.
3) max airspeed at say 8000ft.
4) other useful info.
in order for him to carve the prop. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rick Fogerson
finishing wiring
Boise, ID
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From: | "Trudy Ettelson" <tettelso(at)socal.devry.edu> |
Subject: | Re: Help with 3 blade Catto Prop on RV3 |
** Reply Requested When Convenient **
For about a month now, I've been receiving a blind copy of all your
rv3-matronics.com emails, and I'm just an English professor at DeVry
University in Pomona, CA. Kindly remove me from that list if you can.
I don't know how it happened, but I must be on some kind of list.
Thanks for your help.l
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From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)QCBC.ORG> |
Subject: | Re: Help with 3 blade Catto Prop on RV3 |
Just Scroll and to the subscription link. I have bolded it so you can find it!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trudy Ettelson" <tettelso(at)socal.devry.edu>
Subject: Re: RV3-List: Help with 3 blade Catto Prop on RV3
>
> ** Reply Requested When Convenient **
>
> For about a month now, I've been receiving a blind copy of all your
> rv3-matronics.com emails, and I'm just an English professor at DeVry
> University in Pomona, CA. Kindly remove me from that list if you can.
> I don't know how it happened, but I must be on some kind of list.
> Thanks for your help.l
>
>
>
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From: | Leesafur(at)aol.com |
Subject: | RV-3 Alieron bracket |
I have a clearance problem with the inboard a-304 aileron rib and the
outboard AN-3 bolt for the a-305 aileron bracket. I have built these parts and
drilled the holes exactly to the plans please take a look at the pictures that
I
have and let me know what you think and if you built these bugger can you let me
know what you did because I haven=E2=80=99t a clue. Please note the bolt holes
are not
final drilled to 3/16 yet.
http://www.angelfire.com/mech/rv-3/aileron.html
Lee
Anoka MN
RV-3 wing
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rv-list(at)matronics.com
From: | Bruce Stewart <Bruce.Stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Subject: | Re: RV-3 Alieron bracket |
Lee,
I've had a look at the drawings and the photos, seems to me you
have just drilled a hole in the wrong place maybe......
Can you post some more photos that arn't so close and more general
views?
Bruce
Downunder.
>
>I have a clearance problem with the inboard a-304 aileron rib and the
>outboard AN-3 bolt for the a-305 aileron bracket. I have built these parts and
>drilled the holes exactly to the plans please take a look at the pictures
>that I
>have and let me know what you think and if you built these bugger can you
>let me
>know what you did because I haven=E2=80=99t a clue. Please note the bolt
>holes are not
>final drilled to 3/16 yet.
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/mech/rv-3/aileron.html
>
>
>Lee
>Anoka MN
>RV-3 wing
>
>
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RV-3(at)yahoogroups.com, rv-list(at)matronics.com
From: | Bruce Stewart <Bruce.Stewart1(at)bigpond.com> |
Subject: | Re: RV-3 Alieron bracket |
Second take,
yeah I see the problem! mmmmmmmm
ummm errrrr
Haven't a clue.........yet.
Bruce
>Lee,
>
>I've had a look at the drawings and the photos, seems to me you
>have just drilled a hole in the wrong place maybe......
>
>Can you post some more photos that arn't so close and more general
>views?
>
>Bruce
>
>Downunder.
>
>
>>
>>I have a clearance problem with the inboard a-304 aileron rib and the
>>outboard AN-3 bolt for the a-305 aileron bracket. I have built these
parts and
>>drilled the holes exactly to the plans please take a look at the pictures
>>that I
>>have and let me know what you think and if you built these bugger can you
>>let me
>>know what you did because I haven=E2=80=99t a clue. Please note the bolt
>>holes are not
>>final drilled to 3/16 yet.
>>
>>http://www.angelfire.com/mech/rv-3/aileron.html
>>
>>
>>Lee
>>Anoka MN
>>RV-3 wing
>>
>>
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From: | Leesafur(at)aol.com |
Subject: | RV-3 Aileron bracket |
I've got it! I will use all three suggestions. Relive the access hole down to
the flange; install a shim and nut plate. That way if I ever have to take the
bolt out for whatever reason I don't have to worry about fumbling around with
a little shim and nut threw a little hole.
Thanks for your help I'll post a picture when I get er done that is after I
place ANOTHER ORDER for the nut plate. 8-)
Lee
Anoka MN
RV-3 wing
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From: | "Larry West" <TAILSKIDWEST(at)peoplepc.com> |
OK, its time to bring up the wing mod again! I bought an RV-3 last spring and
am doing the condition inspection on it now. I know CN-2-II was not done (have
a new kit from Van's), but don't know about CN-1. Can anyone let me know what
to look for to tell if the wing root/rear spar has been modified? Thanks!!
Larry, N272DR
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From: | Jim Oke <wjoke(at)shaw.ca> |
Subject: | Re: Wng CN-1 Mod |
Larry;
As you have gathered, CN-1 for the RV-3 involved two aspects, reinforcement
of the root rib the wing and improving the aft spar pick-up point.
There were three methods offered for reinforcing the root rib, the builder
being expected to choose one depending on stage of completion, etc.
1) add a .032 rib to the inside of the root rib and rivet it in pace with
AN470-4 rivets, in effect put a double rib at the root position.
2) add a pair of 1" x 1/8" 2024 bars running fore and aft alongside and
riveted to the root rib and also picking up the fore and aft rib-to-spar
attachment angles.
3) add a pair of 3/4x34/x.063 6061 angles bent to fit the top and bottom
curves of the airfoil shape to the outboard side of the root ribs (on left
wing the top bar is shown on the inboard side due to the wing walk
stiffeners); three vertical 3/4x3/5x .063 were supposed to be added to the
inboard sides of the ribs to tie everything together.
I used method #2 on my -3. You will have to have a look at the root ribs
somehow to see what has been done to your -3. This will be a bit trickey as
the RV-3 butts the top skin right up to the fuselage vice using a gap cover
in this area.
At the rear spar, a spacer and doubler were to be added to the front face of
the aft spar web so that the aft spar bolt would be in double shear at the
aft spar carry through vice in single shear as per the original design.
Dropping the flap down and looking for a pattern of 6 AN470 rivet heads
outboard of the aft rib-spar reinforcement angle rivets would indicate if
this has been done to your aircraft.
Jim Oke
RV-3, RV-6A
Winnipeg, MB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry West" <TAILSKIDWEST(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: RV3-List: Wng CN-1 Mod
>
> OK, its time to bring up the wing mod again! I bought an RV-3 last spring
and am doing the condition inspection on it now. I know CN-2-II was not
done (have a new kit from Van's), but don't know about CN-1. Can anyone let
me know what to look for to tell if the wing root/rear spar has been
modified? Thanks!! Larry, N272DR
>
>
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From: | "Fred Bauer Jr" <fredbauerjr(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | RV3B new project |
Hi RV3ers,
I am currently building an RV3, this is the 5th aircraft I will have built.
I have the tail kit completed and the fuselage is out of the jig and on the landing
gear. We ordered the new wings with the "Quick Build" option. We ordered
the wings April 2003 and have not received delivery of them yet, we expect them
within the next 30 days.
This is the second RV we have built, we built an RV4 [serial #37].
Now to my questions.
We would like to get input from previous RV3 builders so we can try to incorporate
changes or fixes to the aircraft as we build, we know how valuable it is to
get others experiences before we make the same mistakes as the builders before
us.
1] does the RV3 have a tendency to have a forward or aft CG when built according
to plans?
2] we will be purchasing a new Sensenich metal propeller for our aircraft, what
is a good propeller length and pitch for
an RV3 with a 160 HP Lycoming?
3] we are installing a DIGITRAC and ALTRAC autopilot into our aircraft, does
anyone have any experiences with that?
4] we were NOT sent the new wheel pants, should we get the new wheel pants and
install them rather than the old style wheel
pants?
5] should we adjust our horizontal tail incidence differently than the plans
show? to keep the trim tab in the center under normal
cruise conditions
6] should the vertical tail have any offset put in? to eliminate the rudder
trim tab
7] should we use a 4 pipe exhaust system or the crossover system? cowl rubbing
on the pipes, or performance enhancement
I am sure we will be thinking of more to ask and we would appreciate any and all
input, but we want information only from RV3
builders, we don't want to hear what someone thinks, we want to know what someone
knows.
Thanks,
In the true spirit of homebuilding we will keep everyone up to date on the project
and we will report what we learn.
Regards,
Fred Bauer Jr N313RV
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From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: RV3B new project |
In a message dated 01/28/2004 6:22:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
fredbauerjr(at)cox.net writes:
We would like to get input from previous RV3 builders so we can try to
incorporate changes or fixes to the aircraft as we build, we know how valuable
it is
to get others experiences before we make the same mistakes as the builders
before us.
1] does the RV3 have a tendency to have a forward or aft CG when built
according to plans?
The RV-3 empty CG is determined by the engine/prop installation. Light
engine/prop aft CG, Heavy prop/engine very forward CG. With an empty weight around
775 pounds, a little difference up front makes a big difference in empty CG
position.
Use the battery position for adjustment. Light engine/prop; battery between
the rudder pedals. Heavy prop/engine; battery in the baggage compartment.
2] we will be purchasing a new Sensenich metal propeller for our aircraft,
what is a good propeller length and pitch for
an RV3 with a 160 HP Lycoming?
Don't know about this. Just that the Sensenich prop provides great cruise
efficiency compared to some fixed pitch wood props.
You might consider a 2 blade CS MT Propeller. Same basic weight as the
Sensenich installation. There is an electric CS propeller, if you 160 hp engine
isn't setup for a hydraulic governor.
2 blade electric CS propeller - 72" diameter - Electric CS governor included
MTV-17-C/183-59 Price = $7,325.00
3] we are installing a DIGITRAC and ALTRAC autopilot into our aircraft,
does anyone have any experiences with that?
Don McMullin has a similar autopilot setup in his RV-6A. It seems to work
very well. I believe he had recently converted from the Navaid to the TRUTRAC.
The ALTRAC was really nice.
4] we were NOT sent the new wheel pants, should we get the new wheel pants
and install them rather than the old style wheel
pants?
Yes. If you are talking about getting the two piece wheel pants.
5] should we adjust our horizontal tail incidence differently than the
plans show? to keep the trim tab in the center under normal
cruise conditions
Normally, you'll need to fly the RV-3 to see where you're at. Cruise speed
and CG position both affect the tail incidence.
6] should the vertical tail have any offset put in? to eliminate the
rudder trim tab
After trying a number of different propellers (not to mention engines), the
rudder trim tab required varies with the propeller being used. The trim tab is
much easier to change than the rudder offset.
7] should we use a 4 pipe exhaust system or the crossover system? cowl
rubbing on the pipes, or performance enhancement
I've used both. Unfortunately on different engine installations on my RV-3.
I have no real data here.
(Stuff Cut)
Regards,
Fred Bauer Jr N313RV
Jim Ayers
RV-3 sn50 N47RV
LOM M332A engine
3 blade MT electric CS propeller (38 pounds installed.)
(Warnke fixed pitch wood prop weighed 25 pounds installed. Including the
weight of the prop extension, crush plate, prop bolts and spinner.)
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From: | Leesafur(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: RV3B new project |
In a message dated 1/28/2004 8:22:48 AM Central Standard Time,
fredbauerjr(at)cox.net writes:
we are installing a DIGITRAC and ALTRAC autopilot into our aircraft, does
anyone have any experiences with that?
I haven't got that far on my wings yet but if you look at your plans you'll
notice that the new wings use the same bellcrank as the RV-9. I plan on useing
the Digitrac servo for the RV-9. Digitrac has a PDF file on there web site
showing the RV-9 servo install.
Lee
Anoka MN
RV-3 wing
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From: | "Johnny Johnson" <Johnny(at)wiktel.com> |
Subject: | RV3B new project |
Hi Fred,
My RV-3 has a 160 Lycosaurus with the Sensenich metal prop... while I didn't
build the airplane, maybe an additional set of data points will be helpful.
To aid in perspective, here's a few general things to consider when you look
at the comments & numbers I throw out. This is not a light RV-3... 810
empty, most of that extra weight is the paint I suspect. It had a couple
hundred hours when I bought it, I've put about 100 hours on the airplane
since (and I love it!). The engine has 25 hours on a major, during which I
upped it from 150 to 160 hp. It's not the slipperiest RV in the world--air
intake is via a Brackett filter just under the prop, which I understand is
draggy compared to Van's round snoot-looking thing. It has the
Cessna-looking air intakes on either side of the prop hub/spinner and I
understand that there are lower drag ways of getting air past the engine
too. So, on we go:
1] The battery is in front of the stick, CG is OK when I sit in it... but
I'm heavy :=(( It's easy to lift by the tailwheel for moving it into the
hanger, etc.
2] 69 dia x 83 pitch is what I run, and it works fine. It will exceed
redline on the deck (it gets to prop and airframe redlines pretty much
simultaneously and will keep accelerating if you let it). I don't think
you'd want it pitched much steeper... I get about 2250 rpm static at a 2300
msl field. Takeoff is reasonably brisk although it won't snap your neck
during acceleration... climbout at 85-90 mph is more nose high than you want
to do for very long due to forward visibility... the 83" pitch is about
right for cruise in the 8-9000 foot area where 2400-2450 gives a true of
about 195 mph. General comment on the prop is that the 2600 rpm max limit
is a royal pain, but it is a nice unit.
3] No meaningful info on an autopilot from here but go for it if it fits
you... as for me, I don't believe in single engine IFR (too many rocks in
them thar' clouds where I live) and it's hard to resist doing an
octaflugolon or a woofderdilly as you tool along, even on a long X-C...
flying this little thing is just too much fun to "let George do it"...
4] The wheel pants are solid except for a little chunk on the inner part
that you remove to get them off... don't know if that's old or new but as
far as I'm concerned they work fine. Interestingly enough, it seems to make
little difference in airspeed whether they're on or off... but it LOOKS like
it goes faster if they're on :=))
5] I need to play with the horizontal stab incidence... it takes a lot of
nose down trim at higher airspeeds. I'm going to start by raising the
leading edge 1/16" and work up from there until it feels better... one of
these days.
6] Seems to me you would want offset on the vertical stab... mine has some
but could have used more... the sweet spot is around 140. I don't know
offhand how much offset there is but would be happy to try to measure it if
you're interested.
7] I have crossovers with 2 pipes coming out in those little bumps on the
lower rear of the cowl, the pipes are close to the cowl in spots but I have
not had rubbing or heat problems.
FWIW, the one change I will some day make to my airplane is the prop... from
what I hear, the Sensenich is very likely the best choice in a fixed pitch
but an airplane with the span between stall and cruise/redline that this one
has almost screams for a controllable prop, to say nothing of the fun it
would add to the takeoff/climb. IMHO the best candidate for an engine not
set up for a hydraulic prop--as mine--is the MT electric. Not the cheapest,
but proven.
Best wishes on your project... my bet is that you will absolutely love that
little airplane...
Johnny Johnson
49MM RV-3A s/n 860
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv3-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv3-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Bauer Jr
Subject: RV3-List: RV3B new project
Hi RV3ers,
I am currently building an RV3, this is the 5th aircraft I will have built.
I have the tail kit completed and the fuselage is out of the jig and on the
landing gear. We ordered the new wings with the "Quick Build" option. We
ordered the wings April 2003 and have not received delivery of them yet, we
expect them within the next 30 days.
This is the second RV we have built, we built an RV4 [serial #37].
Now to my questions.
We would like to get input from previous RV3 builders so we can try to
incorporate changes or fixes to the aircraft as we build, we know how
valuable it is to get others experiences before we make the same mistakes as
the builders before us.
1] does the RV3 have a tendency to have a forward or aft CG when built
according to plans?
2] we will be purchasing a new Sensenich metal propeller for our
aircraft, what is a good propeller length and pitch for
an RV3 with a 160 HP Lycoming?
3] we are installing a DIGITRAC and ALTRAC autopilot into our aircraft,
does anyone have any experiences with that?
4] we were NOT sent the new wheel pants, should we get the new wheel
pants and install them rather than the old style wheel
pants?
5] should we adjust our horizontal tail incidence differently than the
plans show? to keep the trim tab in the center under normal
cruise conditions
6] should the vertical tail have any offset put in? to eliminate the
rudder trim tab
7] should we use a 4 pipe exhaust system or the crossover system? cowl
rubbing on the pipes, or performance enhancement
I am sure we will be thinking of more to ask and we would appreciate any and
all input, but we want information only from RV3
builders, we don't want to hear what someone thinks, we want to know what
someone knows.
Thanks,
In the true spirit of homebuilding we will keep everyone up to date on the
project and we will report what we learn.
Regards,
Fred Bauer Jr N313RV
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Fred Bauer Jr" <fredbauerjr(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | RV3B new project |
Thanks Jim,
We really appreciate your input, it helps us to plan for the issues that we
will be facing.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: <LessDragProd(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV3-List: RV3B new project
>
> In a message dated 01/28/2004 6:22:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> fredbauerjr(at)cox.net writes:
> We would like to get input from previous RV3 builders so we can try to
> incorporate changes or fixes to the aircraft as we build, we know how
valuable it is
> to get others experiences before we make the same mistakes as the builders
> before us.
> 1] does the RV3 have a tendency to have a forward or aft CG when built
> according to plans?
> The RV-3 empty CG is determined by the engine/prop installation. Light
> engine/prop aft CG, Heavy prop/engine very forward CG. With an empty
weight around
> 775 pounds, a little difference up front makes a big difference in empty
CG
> position.
> Use the battery position for adjustment. Light engine/prop; battery
between
> the rudder pedals. Heavy prop/engine; battery in the baggage compartment.
>
>
> 2] we will be purchasing a new Sensenich metal propeller for our
aircraft,
> what is a good propeller length and pitch for
> an RV3 with a 160 HP Lycoming?
> Don't know about this. Just that the Sensenich prop provides great cruise
> efficiency compared to some fixed pitch wood props.
> You might consider a 2 blade CS MT Propeller. Same basic weight as the
> Sensenich installation. There is an electric CS propeller, if you 160 hp
engine
> isn't setup for a hydraulic governor.
> 2 blade electric CS propeller - 72" diameter - Electric CS governor
included
> MTV-17-C/183-59 Price = $7,325.00
>
> 3] we are installing a DIGITRAC and ALTRAC autopilot into our
aircraft,
> does anyone have any experiences with that?
> Don McMullin has a similar autopilot setup in his RV-6A. It seems to work
> very well. I believe he had recently converted from the Navaid to the
TRUTRAC.
> The ALTRAC was really nice.
>
> 4] we were NOT sent the new wheel pants, should we get the new wheel
pants
> and install them rather than the old style wheel
> pants?
> Yes. If you are talking about getting the two piece wheel pants.
>
> 5] should we adjust our horizontal tail incidence differently than the
> plans show? to keep the trim tab in the center under normal
> cruise conditions
> Normally, you'll need to fly the RV-3 to see where you're at. Cruise
speed
> and CG position both affect the tail incidence.
>
> 6] should the vertical tail have any offset put in? to eliminate the
> rudder trim tab
> After trying a number of different propellers (not to mention engines),
the
> rudder trim tab required varies with the propeller being used. The trim
tab is
> much easier to change than the rudder offset.
>
> 7] should we use a 4 pipe exhaust system or the crossover system? cowl
> rubbing on the pipes, or performance enhancement
> I've used both. Unfortunately on different engine installations on my
RV-3.
> I have no real data here.
>
> (Stuff Cut)
>
> Regards,
> Fred Bauer Jr N313RV
>
> Jim Ayers
> RV-3 sn50 N47RV
> LOM M332A engine
> 3 blade MT electric CS propeller (38 pounds installed.)
> (Warnke fixed pitch wood prop weighed 25 pounds installed. Including the
> weight of the prop extension, crush plate, prop bolts and spinner.)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Fred Bauer Jr" <fredbauerjr(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | RV3 Digitrac/Altrac |
Thanks Lee,
I see what you are talking about, we are going to put the servo for the
Digitrac in one of the wings and we are going to install the Whelen strobe
power pack into the other wing to balance it off.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: <Leesafur(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV3-List: RV3B new project
>
> In a message dated 1/28/2004 8:22:48 AM Central Standard Time,
> fredbauerjr(at)cox.net writes:
> we are installing a DIGITRAC and ALTRAC autopilot into our aircraft,
does
> anyone have any experiences with that?
> I haven't got that far on my wings yet but if you look at your plans
you'll
> notice that the new wings use the same bellcrank as the RV-9. I plan on
useing
> the Digitrac servo for the RV-9. Digitrac has a PDF file on there web site
> showing the RV-9 servo install.
>
>
> Lee
> Anoka MN
> RV-3 wing
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Fred Bauer Jr" <fredbauerjr(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | Re: RV3B new project |
Thanks for your input John, we will try to keep all of these helpfull hints
in mind as we are building.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johnny Johnson" <Johnny(at)wiktel.com>
Subject: RE: RV3-List: RV3B new project
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> My RV-3 has a 160 Lycosaurus with the Sensenich metal prop... while I
didn't
> build the airplane, maybe an additional set of data points will be
helpful.
> To aid in perspective, here's a few general things to consider when you
look
> at the comments & numbers I throw out. This is not a light RV-3... 810
> empty, most of that extra weight is the paint I suspect. It had a couple
> hundred hours when I bought it, I've put about 100 hours on the airplane
> since (and I love it!). The engine has 25 hours on a major, during which
I
> upped it from 150 to 160 hp. It's not the slipperiest RV in the
world--air
> intake is via a Brackett filter just under the prop, which I understand is
> draggy compared to Van's round snoot-looking thing. It has the
> Cessna-looking air intakes on either side of the prop hub/spinner and I
> understand that there are lower drag ways of getting air past the engine
> too. So, on we go:
>
> 1] The battery is in front of the stick, CG is OK when I sit in it... but
> I'm heavy :=(( It's easy to lift by the tailwheel for moving it into the
> hanger, etc.
> 2] 69 dia x 83 pitch is what I run, and it works fine. It will exceed
> redline on the deck (it gets to prop and airframe redlines pretty much
> simultaneously and will keep accelerating if you let it). I don't think
> you'd want it pitched much steeper... I get about 2250 rpm static at a
2300
> msl field. Takeoff is reasonably brisk although it won't snap your neck
> during acceleration... climbout at 85-90 mph is more nose high than you
want
> to do for very long due to forward visibility... the 83" pitch is about
> right for cruise in the 8-9000 foot area where 2400-2450 gives a true of
> about 195 mph. General comment on the prop is that the 2600 rpm max limit
> is a royal pain, but it is a nice unit.
> 3] No meaningful info on an autopilot from here but go for it if it fits
> you... as for me, I don't believe in single engine IFR (too many rocks in
> them thar' clouds where I live) and it's hard to resist doing an
> octaflugolon or a woofderdilly as you tool along, even on a long X-C...
> flying this little thing is just too much fun to "let George do it"...
> 4] The wheel pants are solid except for a little chunk on the inner part
> that you remove to get them off... don't know if that's old or new but as
> far as I'm concerned they work fine. Interestingly enough, it seems to
make
> little difference in airspeed whether they're on or off... but it LOOKS
like
> it goes faster if they're on :=))
> 5] I need to play with the horizontal stab incidence... it takes a lot of
> nose down trim at higher airspeeds. I'm going to start by raising the
> leading edge 1/16" and work up from there until it feels better... one of
> these days.
> 6] Seems to me you would want offset on the vertical stab... mine has
some
> but could have used more... the sweet spot is around 140. I don't know
> offhand how much offset there is but would be happy to try to measure it
if
> you're interested.
> 7] I have crossovers with 2 pipes coming out in those little bumps on the
> lower rear of the cowl, the pipes are close to the cowl in spots but I
have
> not had rubbing or heat problems.
>
> FWIW, the one change I will some day make to my airplane is the prop...
from
> what I hear, the Sensenich is very likely the best choice in a fixed pitch
> but an airplane with the span between stall and cruise/redline that this
one
> has almost screams for a controllable prop, to say nothing of the fun it
> would add to the takeoff/climb. IMHO the best candidate for an engine not
> set up for a hydraulic prop--as mine--is the MT electric. Not the
cheapest,
> but proven.
>
> Best wishes on your project... my bet is that you will absolutely love
that
> little airplane...
>
> Johnny Johnson
> 49MM RV-3A s/n 860
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv3-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv3-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Bauer Jr
> To: rv3-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV3-List: RV3B new project
>
>
> Hi RV3ers,
> I am currently building an RV3, this is the 5th aircraft I will have
built.
> I have the tail kit completed and the fuselage is out of the jig and on
the
> landing gear. We ordered the new wings with the "Quick Build" option. We
> ordered the wings April 2003 and have not received delivery of them yet,
we
> expect them within the next 30 days.
> This is the second RV we have built, we built an RV4 [serial #37].
> Now to my questions.
> We would like to get input from previous RV3 builders so we can try to
> incorporate changes or fixes to the aircraft as we build, we know how
> valuable it is to get others experiences before we make the same mistakes
as
> the builders before us.
> 1] does the RV3 have a tendency to have a forward or aft CG when built
> according to plans?
> 2] we will be purchasing a new Sensenich metal propeller for our
> aircraft, what is a good propeller length and pitch for
> an RV3 with a 160 HP Lycoming?
> 3] we are installing a DIGITRAC and ALTRAC autopilot into our
aircraft,
> does anyone have any experiences with that?
> 4] we were NOT sent the new wheel pants, should we get the new wheel
> pants and install them rather than the old style wheel
> pants?
> 5] should we adjust our horizontal tail incidence differently than the
> plans show? to keep the trim tab in the center under normal
> cruise conditions
> 6] should the vertical tail have any offset put in? to eliminate the
> rudder trim tab
> 7] should we use a 4 pipe exhaust system or the crossover system? cowl
> rubbing on the pipes, or performance enhancement
>
> I am sure we will be thinking of more to ask and we would appreciate any
and
> all input, but we want information only from RV3
> builders, we don't want to hear what someone thinks, we want to know what
> someone knows.
> Thanks,
> In the true spirit of homebuilding we will keep everyone up to date on the
> project and we will report what we learn.
> Regards,
> Fred Bauer Jr N313RV
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Leesafur(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: RV3 Digitrac/Altrac |
In a message dated 1/28/2004 4:03:49 PM Central Standard Time,
fredbauerjr(at)cox.net writes:
Thanks Lee,
I see what you are talking about, we are going to put the servo for the
Digitrac in one of the wings and we are going to install the Whelen strobe
power pack into the other wing to balance it off.
Fred
WELL...... And I was worrying and wondering how I was going to off set the
weight for the servo. Thanks for the tip!
Lee
Anoka MN
RV-3 wing
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Fred Bauer Jr" <fredbauerjr(at)cox.net> |
Lee,
We live just south of you in Wisconsin at "Holland Airpark" identifier 36WI.
We may have even met at some of the breakfast flights around Mpls. when I
flew one of my other aircraft.
I live on 36WI and have our hanger there with the RV3 project. A fellow who
built an RV4 because of us lives there as well and has his aircraft there,
he won (oldest RV4 in MN) . We have his RV4, two RV6, my RV3 and some good
times. If you don't know what to do with yourself some day maybe we will see
you there.
Fred
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Larry West" <TAILSKIDWEST(at)peoplepc.com> |
Subject: | Re: RV3B new project |
Hi Fred,
My Rv-3 has almost 900 hours on it with a hot rodded O-320-B2 and a Pacesetter
wood prop. I did not build this machine, but just completed going clear through
it to change the stuff I didn't like. On the battery, I got rid of the "boat
anchor" RG-25 aircraft battery and installed an Odessey PC-680. The original
battery was located just ahead of the stick and I didn't like having it in
the way getting in and out of the airplane. Additionally, the electric fuel pump
was ahead of the battery. A friend of mine's RV-3 sprung a fuel leak and
he had fuel about a 1/2 deep on the cockpit floor by the time he landed ......
another good reason not to put the battery up front! My battery is now located
just behind the seat in the baggage compartment. The light weight of the PC-680
battery only moved the cg aft 1/2 inch. The big improvement is now there
is much more room up front. With the -3 rigged and trimmed out, I can now move
my feet off the rudder pedals and even stretch my legs out!
On the exhaust, I'm running the Vetterman 4 pipe "zoomies". They are well built,
and sound great. The best thing is the way they get the heat out of the engine
compartment. After flying and taxiing back to the hangar, by the time I
shut down and get out and walk around, you can touch the exhaust pipes and not
get burnt. My CHT runs cool and the engine seems happy. You can also take the
clamps loose at the aft end and rotate them down about 2 to 3 inches when working
on the carb or behind the engine. They only required a small "blister"
at the aft bottom edge of the lower cowl for clearance. Be sure to put the insulation
blanket in the lower cowl to prevent blistering of the fiberglass/paint.
Contact me off list if you would like pix of both the exhaust and/or battery
installation. As with all airplanes ..... the lighter the better! Cheers,
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Fred Bauer Jr" <fredbauerjr(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | RV3 helpfull information |
Thanks for the feedback Larry, this information and the information the
others have gotten to me is just what I was hoping for.
I really appreciate the time everyone has taken to write me back with their
experience history, I will sure do my part to help all.
Regards,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry West" <TAILSKIDWEST(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: RV3-List: RV3B new project
>
> Hi Fred,
> My Rv-3 has almost 900 hours on it with a hot rodded O-320-B2 and a
Pacesetter wood prop. I did not build this machine, but just completed
going clear through it to change the stuff I didn't like. On the battery, I
got rid of the "boat anchor" RG-25 aircraft battery and installed an Odessey
PC-680. The original battery was located just ahead of the stick and I
didn't like having it in the way getting in and out of the airplane.
Additionally, the electric fuel pump was ahead of the battery. A friend of
mine's RV-3 sprung a fuel leak and he had fuel about a 1/2 deep on the
cockpit floor by the time he landed ...... another good reason not to put
the battery up front! My battery is now located just behind the seat in the
baggage compartment. The light weight of the PC-680 battery only moved the
cg aft 1/2 inch. The big improvement is now there is much more room up
front. With the -3 rigged and trimmed out, I can now move my feet off the
rudder pedals and even stretch m!
> y legs out!
>
> On the exhaust, I'm running the Vetterman 4 pipe "zoomies". They are well
built, and sound great. The best thing is the way they get the heat out of
the engine compartment. After flying and taxiing back to the hangar, by the
time I shut down and get out and walk around, you can touch the exhaust
pipes and not get burnt. My CHT runs cool and the engine seems happy. You
can also take the clamps loose at the aft end and rotate them down about 2
to 3 inches when working on the carb or behind the engine. They only
required a small "blister" at the aft bottom edge of the lower cowl for
clearance. Be sure to put the insulation blanket in the lower cowl to
prevent blistering of the fiberglass/paint. Contact me off list if you
would like pix of both the exhaust and/or battery installation. As with all
airplanes ..... the lighter the better! Cheers, Larry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Fred Bauer Jr" <fredbauerjr(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | exhaust,battery,cabin heat |
Larry W
FYI,
I notice from your pictures that you have the original style carb air inlet built
into your lower cowl. It is the same inlet that our old RV4 had, the one that
does not have an air cleaner. We have the lower cowl [new style] that will
accept the air cleaner that Van's appears to favor, I saw this same inlet design
on a new RV9.
I have been thinking about installing a flat piece of stainless steel sheet with
sound insulation between it and the ramp floor where the exhaust exits the engine
compartment, much the same as the Piper Twin Comanche.
I feel that aluminum does not like the corrosive exhaust gases and heat [it gets
brittle] that is in that area.
Also, it should quiet the noise from the exhaust, the Swearingen had such a piece
installed in the exhaust exit ramp and I felt that it lowered the exhaust noise
to more of a lower octave rumble.
The Swearingen also had the individual exhaust pipes so I am leaning in that direction,
Ed Swearingen knows engine compartments better than anyone.
Do you get enough heat from the single cabin heat muff?
We have 2 cabin heat muffs on the T-18 and we purchased 2 cabin heat boxes and
expect to install 2 heat muffs on the RV3. The reason for the 2 heat muffs is
that we purchased 2 canopy frames and will be building 2 separate canopies, one
as a normal swingover bubble and the other as an open cockpit. Using the same
piano hinge swingover attachment as the bubble.
This might be fun, we don't know for sure but we feel that we won't want to cruise
around at top speed with an open cockpit but during the summer or in warm
climates we should be able to get the "wind in the face" feel that I enjoyed with
the Baby Great Lakes biplane and that others enjoy with similar biplanes.
I notice that the Odyssey battery comes in several versions, is the one you have
been using working well or should we purchase the higher Amp one that they also
offer?
Regards,
Fred
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From: | "Fred Bauer Jr" <fredbauerjr(at)cox.net> |
This message is an FYI for anyone who is starting a new aircraft.
Please understand that this message is for information only and may or may not
be correct.
BUT---------------
1] When we installed the 5 fuselage floor ribs into our jig and attached them
to the bulkhead frame [center section] we found that the pre bent front flanges
on the 5 ribs were bent at an incorrect angle.
We could not use them as they were supplied to us and had to rebend the front flanges
so we could get the correct wing incidence angle as called out in the plans
by Van.
2] The RV3 weldment for the tail spring was actually and RV4 weldment and it
had to be trimmed in order for it to fit into the tail cone.
3] the large bottom tail cone skin was not furnished long enough to extend entirely
over the frame bulkheads on the forward and aft edges,
Therefore ------------
DO NOT trim the smaller .040 bottom rear skin at the front edge to match it to
the fuselage bulkhead like the plans show!
Wait with trimming that skin until you fit both skins where they overlap, you may
need to have a row of rivets connecting the two skins.
NOTE!
The skins are supplied to the lengths called for in the plans, I believe the plans
dimension is in error.
Fred
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: exhaust,battery,cabin heat |
Hi Fred,
Lotsa questions so here goes...first the carb air intake was designed by me, a simple tunnel ram with a flapper valve to close it off and a 2" duct on top of it with a K&N filter attached to the duct. I normally close the flapper base-to-final and during ground ops. After 1100 hours it works fine, but I am considering a new design. I use a single heat muff but found while living in SD (I now live in FL) that it wasn't enough. A CO RV4 guy actually makes a nice dual muff but is hard to find. Try www.vansairforce.net and see if someone makes one on the RV yeller pages. One thing I did was to wrap a bedspring inside the muff as a heatsink and use a 1" scat inlet versus a 2" inlet. I think the 2" cooled the air in the muff too much and reduced the heat effectiveness.
I bought my Odyessy 680C battery from a battery vendor on the internet for $65
but Van now sells them for $69. It works great and I mounted it on my firewall
to move CG forward and reduce weight from the original battery. Good Luck...
Rob Ray
Fred Bauer Jr wrote:
Larry W
FYI,
I notice from your pictures that you have the original style carb air inlet built
into your lower cowl. It is the same inlet that our old RV4 had, the one that
does not have an air cleaner. We have the lower cowl [new style] that will
accept the air cleaner that Van's appears to favor, I saw this same inlet design
on a new RV9.
I have been thinking about installing a flat piece of stainless steel sheet with
sound insulation between it and the ramp floor where the exhaust exits the engine
compartment, much the same as the Piper Twin Comanche.
I feel that aluminum does not like the corrosive exhaust gases and heat [it gets
brittle] that is in that area.
Also, it should quiet the noise from the exhaust, the Swearingen had such a piece
installed in the exhaust exit ramp and I felt that it lowered the exhaust noise
to more of a lower octave rumble.
The Swearingen also had the individual exhaust pipes so I am leaning in that direction,
Ed Swearingen knows engine compartments better than anyone.
Do you get enough heat from the single cabin heat muff?
We have 2 cabin heat muffs on the T-18 and we purchased 2 cabin heat boxes and
expect to install 2 heat muffs on the RV3. The reason for the 2 heat muffs is
that we purchased 2 canopy frames and will be building 2 separate canopies, one
as a normal swingover bubble and the other as an open cockpit. Using the same
piano hinge swingover attachment as the bubble.
This might be fun, we don't know for sure but we feel that we won't want to cruise
around at top speed with an open cockpit but during the summer or in warm
climates we should be able to get the "wind in the face" feel that I enjoyed with
the Baby Great Lakes biplane and that others enjoy with similar biplanes.
I notice that the Odyssey battery comes in several versions, is the one you have
been using working well or should we purchase the higher Amp one that they also
offer?
Regards,
Fred
====================================
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: exhaust,battery,cabin heat |
Fred, about my exhaust, I used a Vetterman 4 pipe system that has had absolutely
no problems in 1100 hours, highly recommended....your Comanche sheet metal inside
the cowl idea sounds cool, could you send me some specs on it?
RR
Fred Bauer Jr wrote:
Larry W
FYI,
I notice from your pictures that you have the original style carb air inlet built
into your lower cowl. It is the same inlet that our old RV4 had, the one that
does not have an air cleaner. We have the lower cowl [new style] that will
accept the air cleaner that Van's appears to favor, I saw this same inlet design
on a new RV9.
I have been thinking about installing a flat piece of stainless steel sheet with
sound insulation between it and the ramp floor where the exhaust exits the engine
compartment, much the same as the Piper Twin Comanche.
I feel that aluminum does not like the corrosive exhaust gases and heat [it gets
brittle] that is in that area.
Also, it should quiet the noise from the exhaust, the Swearingen had such a piece
installed in the exhaust exit ramp and I felt that it lowered the exhaust noise
to more of a lower octave rumble.
The Swearingen also had the individual exhaust pipes so I am leaning in that direction,
Ed Swearingen knows engine compartments better than anyone.
Do you get enough heat from the single cabin heat muff?
We have 2 cabin heat muffs on the T-18 and we purchased 2 cabin heat boxes and
expect to install 2 heat muffs on the RV3. The reason for the 2 heat muffs is
that we purchased 2 canopy frames and will be building 2 separate canopies, one
as a normal swingover bubble and the other as an open cockpit. Using the same
piano hinge swingover attachment as the bubble.
This might be fun, we don't know for sure but we feel that we won't want to cruise
around at top speed with an open cockpit but during the summer or in warm
climates we should be able to get the "wind in the face" feel that I enjoyed with
the Baby Great Lakes biplane and that others enjoy with similar biplanes.
I notice that the Odyssey battery comes in several versions, is the one you have
been using working well or should we purchase the higher Amp one that they also
offer?
Regards,
Fred
====================================
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Fred Bauer Jr" <fredbauerjr(at)cox.net> |
Thanks Rob,
We will be ordering the 4 pipe Vetterman.
Will send pictures and particulars when we get the stainless steel ramp in
place.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "rob ray" <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV3-List: exhaust,battery,cabin heat
>
> Fred, about my exhaust, I used a Vetterman 4 pipe system that has had
absolutely no problems in 1100 hours, highly recommended....your Comanche
sheet metal inside the cowl idea sounds cool, could you send me some specs
on it?
>
> RR
>
> Fred Bauer Jr wrote:
>
> Larry W
> FYI,
> I notice from your pictures that you have the original style carb air
inlet built into your lower cowl. It is the same inlet that our old RV4 had,
the one that does not have an air cleaner. We have the lower cowl [new
style] that will accept the air cleaner that Van's appears to favor, I saw
this same inlet design on a new RV9.
>
> I have been thinking about installing a flat piece of stainless steel
sheet with sound insulation between it and the ramp floor where the exhaust
exits the engine compartment, much the same as the Piper Twin Comanche.
> I feel that aluminum does not like the corrosive exhaust gases and heat
[it gets brittle] that is in that area.
> Also, it should quiet the noise from the exhaust, the Swearingen had such
a piece installed in the exhaust exit ramp and I felt that it lowered the
exhaust noise to more of a lower octave rumble.
> The Swearingen also had the individual exhaust pipes so I am leaning in
that direction, Ed Swearingen knows engine compartments better than anyone.
>
> Do you get enough heat from the single cabin heat muff?
> We have 2 cabin heat muffs on the T-18 and we purchased 2 cabin heat boxes
and expect to install 2 heat muffs on the RV3. The reason for the 2 heat
muffs is that we purchased 2 canopy frames and will be building 2 separate
canopies, one as a normal swingover bubble and the other as an open cockpit.
Using the same piano hinge swingover attachment as the bubble.
> This might be fun, we don't know for sure but we feel that we won't want
to cruise around at top speed with an open cockpit but during the summer or
in warm climates we should be able to get the "wind in the face" feel that I
enjoyed with the Baby Great Lakes biplane and that others enjoy with similar
biplanes.
>
> I notice that the Odyssey battery comes in several versions, is the one
you have been using working well or should we purchase the higher Amp one
that they also offer?
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