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November 27, 2006 - November 17, 2010
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| Subject: | Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"? [Please Read] |
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| From: | Bradford Sharp <saberpilot(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RV4 rear rudder pedal installation |
MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR,
I bought the rear rudder pedal kit for the RV4 from Vans. The instructions are
not as clear as I had hoped. I really would appreciate any comments on the installation
and some photos showing the completed task. And any other comments you'd
care to mention. Send to my e-mail at: saberpilot(at)earthlink.net
Cheers,
Brad Sharp
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/25/06 |
Brad, having bought the same setup when I built my -4, I stared at it like a pig
looking at a wristwatch for a few days. I tossed the whole kit back in the box
and went down to the Home Depot Aviation dept. I grabbed some cable clamps
and attached them with some small tabs I made from angle aluminum directly to
my rudder cables next to my rear passenger footwells. Works great and are removable.
The Van's RR pedal kit requires cutting a long hole in the floorboard next
to my leg in the front seat. I didn't like it. I like my setup mucho better.
I can send you photos if you like...
Rob Ray
RV4-List Digest Server wrote: *
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1. 02:52 PM - RV4 rear rudder pedal installation (Bradford Sharp)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Bradford Sharp
Subject: RV4-List: RV4 rear rudder pedal installation
MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR,
I bought the rear rudder pedal kit for the RV4 from Vans. The instructions are
not as clear as I had hoped. I really would appreciate any comments on the installation
and some photos showing the completed task. And any other comments you'd
care to mention. Send to my e-mail at: saberpilot(at)earthlink.net
Cheers,
Brad Sharp
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| From: | "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/25/06 |
Hi Rob ...
Thanks for your word description of your rudder pedal fabrication. You
sound very resourceful. I'm working on the same pedal install as well.
Could you please copy me photo's when you send to Brad?
Many thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
Huntley IL
RV4 flying
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Ray
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:01 AM
Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/25/06
Brad, having bought the same setup when I built my -4, I stared at it
like a pig looking at a wristwatch for a few days. I tossed the whole
kit back in the box and went down to the Home Depot Aviation dept. I
grabbed some cable clamps and attached them with some small tabs I made
from angle aluminum directly to my rudder cables next to my rear
passenger footwells. Works great and are removable. The Van's RR pedal
kit requires cutting a long hole in the floorboard next to my leg in the
front seat. I didn't like it. I like my setup mucho better. I can send
you photos if you like...
Rob Ray
RV4-List Digest Server wrote:
*
Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
Today's complete RV4-List Digest can also be found in either of the
two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
version
of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&
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1. 02:52 PM - RV4 rear rudder pedal installation (Bradford Sharp)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: Bradford Sharp
Subject: RV4-List: RV4 rear rudder pedal installation
MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR,
I bought the rear rudder pedal kit for the RV4 from Vans. The
instructions are
not as clear as I had hoped. I really would appreciate any comments
on the installation
and some photos showing the completed task. And any other comments
you'd
care to mention. Send to my e-mail at: saberpilot(at)earthlink.net
Cheers,
Brad Sharp
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dwayne Cowles <dwaynecowles(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/25/06 |
Rob,
I'd like to see your rudder pedal setup. Also, can you send pics of how you
did the throttle.
Dwayne
Being all I can be flying (controling?) the predator!
Rob Ray wrote:
Brad, having bought the same setup when I built my -4, I stared at it like a
pig looking at a wristwatch for a few days. I tossed the whole kit back in the
box and went down to the Home Depot Aviation dept. I grabbed some cable clamps
and attached them with some small tabs I made from angle aluminum directly to
my rudder cables next to my rear passenger footwells. Works great and are removable.
The Van's RR pedal kit requires cutting a long hole in the floorboard
next to my leg in the front seat. I didn't like it. I like my setup mucho better.
I can send you photos if you like...
Rob Ray
RV4-List Digest Server wrote: *
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two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
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1. 02:52 PM - RV4 rear rudder pedal installation (Bradford Sharp)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Bradford Sharp
Subject: RV4-List: RV4 rear rudder pedal installation
MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR,
I bought the rear rudder pedal kit for the RV4 from Vans. The instructions are
not as clear as I had hoped. I really would appreciate any comments on the installation
and some photos showing the completed task. And any other comments you'd
care to mention. Send to my e-mail at: saberpilot(at)earthlink.net
Cheers,
Brad Sharp
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/25/06 |
Will do, I'll send pics of my Rocket's setup too...
RR
Dwayne Cowles wrote: Rob,
I'd like to see your rudder pedal setup. Also, can you send pics of how you
did the throttle.
Dwayne
Being all I can be flying (controling?) the predator!
Rob Ray wrote:
Brad, having bought the same setup when I built my -4, I stared at it like a
pig looking at a wristwatch for a few days. I tossed the whole kit back in the
box and went down to the Home Depot Aviation dept. I grabbed some cable clamps
and attached them with some small tabs I made from angle aluminum directly to
my rudder cables next to my rear passenger footwells. Works great and are removable.
The Van's RR pedal kit requires cutting a long hole in the floorboard
next to my leg in the front seat. I didn't like it. I like my setup mucho better.
I can send you photos if you like...
Rob Ray
RV4-List Digest Server wrote: *
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=================================================
Today's complete RV4-List Digest can also be found in either of the
two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
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1. 02:52 PM - RV4 rear rudder pedal installation (Bradford Sharp)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Bradford Sharp
Subject: RV4-List: RV4 rear rudder
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/25/06 |
No worries Jerry, will do!
RR
Jerry Grimmonpre wrote: Hi Rob ...
Thanks for your word description of your rudder pedal fabrication. You sound
very resourceful. I'm working on the same pedal install as well. Could you
please copy me photo's when you send to Brad?
Many thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
Huntley IL
RV4 flying
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Ray
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:01 AM
Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/25/06
Brad, having bought the same setup when I built my -4, I stared at it like a
pig looking at a wristwatch for a few days. I tossed the whole kit back in
the box and went down to the Home Depot Aviation dept. I grabbed some cable
clamps and attached them with some small tabs I made from angle aluminum
directly to my rudder cables next to my rear passenger footwells. Works great
and are removable. The Van's RR pedal kit requires cutting a long hole in
the floorboard next to my leg in the front seat. I didn't like it. I like
my setup mucho better. I can send you photos if you like...
Rob Ray
RV4-List Digest Server wrote: *
========================
Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
========================
Today's complete RV4-List Digest can also be found in either of the
two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 06-12-25&Archive=RV4
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http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 06-12-25&Archive=RV4
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1. 02:52 PM - RV4 rear rudder pedal installation (Bradford Sharp)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Bradford Sharp
Subject: RV4-List: RV4 rear rudder pedal installation
MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR,
I bought the rear rudder pedal kit for the RV4 from Vans. The instructions
are
not as clear as I had hoped. I really would appreciate any comments on the
installation
and some photos showing the completed task. And any other comments you'd
care to mention. Send to my e-mail at: saberpilot(at)earthlink.net
Cheers,
Brad Sharp
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV4-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV4-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/25/06 |
hi rob,
this is dan with the rv-4 from ny. we are down in fl and was wondering if
you'll be around. my friend has a 6 here and we could stop by. do you still have
the rocket there?
give me a call 631 880 2343 cell, let
me know
or email me
dfcpac(at)aol.com
danny
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/25/06 |
Hi Danny, I leave town today for a week of training in TX. Maybe next time...
RR
DFCPAC(at)aol.com wrote: hi rob,
this is dan with the rv-4 from ny. we are down in fl and was wondering if you'll
be around. my friend has a 6 here and we could stop by. do you still have the
rocket there?
give me a call 631 880 2343 cell, let
me know
or email me
dfcpac(at)aol.com
danny
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| Subject: | Lycoming O-320 on ebay |
There's a used Lycoming O-320-B3B for sale on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230075395949&rd=1,1
There's a used Lycoming O-320-B3B for sale on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230075395949&rd=1,1
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| Subject: | TRANSPONDER ANTENNAS |
I am in the process of locating mounting two transponder antennas. One for
my GTX-327 and one for an ATD-200 traffic detector.
I plan for my comm antenna to be mounted about 10 inches behind the firewall
and mid point side to sideHas anyone mounted their transponder antenna on
the "floor" piece that extends beyond the fuselage sides for attachment to the
lower wing skin? I can meet the 3 foot separatation to the transponder
antennas and the two foot separation between them by mounting one on each side.
Alternative would be to mount all in tandem with required separation but his
would require a longer cable run.
Thanks for any suggestions or comments.
Regards,
Wally Hunt
RV-4 Finishing Kit
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | TRANSPONDER ANTENNAS |
I am in the process of locating mounting two transponder antennas. One for
my GTX-327 and one for an ATD-200 traffic detector.
I plan for my comm antenna to be mounted about 10 inches behind the firewall
and mid point side to sideHas anyone mounted their transponder antenna on
the "floor" piece that extends beyond the fuselage sides for attachment to the
lower wing skin? I can meet the 3 foot separatation to the transponder
antennas and the two foot separation between them by mounting one on each side.
Alternative would be to mount all in tandem with required separation but his
would require a longer cable run.
Thanks for any suggestions or comments.
Regards,
Wally Hunt
RV-4 Finishing Kit
Rockford, IL
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| From: | "Pete Cosky" <pcosky(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | looking for documentation |
I hope I am looking in the right place. I recently bought a set of RV-4
plans but they are only the plan sheets, and if memory serves me correctly
there should be an assembly manual. I am correct and where can I find such
an animal?
Pete
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: looking for documentation |
Pete,
www.vansaircraft.com
RR
Pete Cosky wrote: I hope I am looking in
the right place. I recently bought a set of RV-4 plans but they are only the plan
sheets, and if memory serves me correctly there should be an assembly manual.
I am correct and where can I find such an animal?
Pete
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: TRANSPONDER ANTENNAS |
Wally,
I have flown a bunch of RV4's and most had their transponder antenna on the belly,
about 24" aft of the firewall. I had mine in the same position for the first
1000 hours. Since then I have experimented with several places on my RV4
including where you mention. They all worked fine except for under my cowling
which was reported "weak".
My goal was to put ALL my antennas hidden inside the airframe behind fiberglass.
To do this I installed my comm antenna in the left gear leg fairing, transponder
in the wingtip and ELT inside the cockpit. They all work well...
Rob Ray
RV4WGH(at)aol.com wrote: I am in the process of locating mounting two transponder
antennas. One for my GTX-327 and one for an ATD-200 traffic detector.
I plan for my comm antenna to be mounted about 10 inches behind the firewall
and mid point side to sideHas anyone mounted their transponder antenna on the
"floor" piece that extends beyond the fuselage sides for attachment to the lower
wing skin? I can meet the 3 foot separatation to the transponder antennas
and the two foot separation between them by mounting one on each side. Alternative
would be to mount all in tandem with required separation but his would
require a longer cable run.
Thanks for any suggestions or comments.
Regards,
Wally Hunt
RV-4 Finishing Kit
Rockford, IL
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| From: | "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: TRANSPONDER ANTENNAS |
Hi Rob ...
Can you please expand on the comm antenna in the left gear leg? It
obviously had to be a straight whip. How did you fasten it to the
structure of the leg, how did you ground the antenna mount? How close
to the fuselage was the base of the antenna? How long was the antenna?
How did you prevent the whip part of the ant from touching the gear leg
and grounding out. Is the comm antenna still inside the fairing and
working good? This really blows holes in the idea that comm antennas
need a flat ground plane. Sorry for so many questions.
Thanks for your answers ...
Jerry
RV4
Huntley IL
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Ray
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: TRANSPONDER ANTENNAS
Wally,
I have flown a bunch of RV4's and most had their transponder antenna
on the belly, about 24" aft of the firewall. I had mine in the same
position for the first 1000 hours. Since then I have experimented with
several places on my RV4 including where you mention. They all worked
fine except for under my cowling which was reported "weak".
My goal was to put ALL my antennas hidden inside the airframe behind
fiberglass. To do this I installed my comm antenna in the left gear leg
fairing, transponder in the wingtip and ELT inside the cockpit. They
all work well...
Rob Ray
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Derrick Aubuchon <daubuchon(at)volcano.net> |
| Subject: | Garmin Breaker Requirements |
Greetings listers,,
I am trying to plan ahead with my panel design for my RV9A project.
Can anyone tell me the circuit breaker requirements (ie; current
load) for the following:
- SL30 NAV/COM
- GTX327 Transponder
- GPS496 (I plan to panel mount the 496)
Thanks in advance!
Derrick Aubuchon
RV-4: N184DA
Jackson/Westover -Amador County (O70)
daubuchon(at)volcano.net
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: TRANSPONDER ANTENNAS |
OK Jerry, one question at a time. First, I used one of the the copper tape "canopy
antennas" in Vans catalog and glued it into the fiberglass leg fairing. I
attached the connector at the top with a BNC and ran the wire into the cockpit
with my brake line.
My thinking was that it had no ground plane taped into the canopy so why should
it need one there? I had a whip antenna connected to the wing fairing on my
Tcraft for years and it worked great with a handheld. The leg antenna works good.
One improvement might be to use a fiberglass straight antenna inside the
fairing with the base removed. The cost of the copper antenna was so cheap that
I couldn't resist.
Since the letters EXPERIMENTAL are on the side of my airplane, I like to excercise
it...good luck!
RR
Jerry Grimmonpre wrote: Hi Rob ...
Can you please expand on the comm antenna in the left gear leg? It obviously
had to be a straight whip. How did you fasten it to the structure of the leg,
how did you ground the antenna mount? How close to the fuselage was the base
of the antenna? How long was the antenna? How did you prevent the whip
part of the ant from touching the gear leg and grounding out. Is the comm antenna
still inside the fairing and working good? This really blows holes in
the idea that comm antennas need a flat ground plane. Sorry for so many questions.
Thanks for your answers ...
Jerry
RV4
Huntley IL
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Ray
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: TRANSPONDER ANTENNAS
Wally,
I have flown a bunch of RV4's and most had their transponder antenna on the
belly, about 24" aft of the firewall. I had mine in the same position for
the first 1000 hours. Since then I have experimented with several places on
my RV4 including where you mention. They all worked fine except for under
my cowling which was reported "weak".
My goal was to put ALL my antennas hidden inside the airframe behind fiberglass.
To do this I installed my comm antenna in the left gear leg fairing,
transponder in the wingtip and ELT inside the cockpit. They all work well...
Rob Ray
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Jerry,
What Rob is talking about, I assume, is mounting the copper strip to the
wood gear leg stiffener. At least that is what I plan to do. Antennas are or
were $7 from Van's. I plan to put one on each gear leg stiffener. I have
also mounted an antenna doubler plate mid point abut 10 inches behind the
firewall just in case I ever want to add the whip antenna.
I am based at Cottonwood Airport, NW side of Rockford. After the snow
clears, drop in sometime. Of course, you can drive in anytime.
Happy Flying Safely,
Wally Hunt
815-262-3153
RV-4 FINISHING KIT
From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net>
Subject: Re: RV4-List: TRANSPONDER ANTENNAS
Hi Rob ...
Can you please expand on the comm antenna in the left gear leg? It
obviously had to be a straight whip. How did you fasten it to the
structure of the leg, how did you ground the antenna mount? How close
to the fuselage was the base of the antenna? How long was the antenna?
How did you prevent the whip part of the ant from touching the gear leg
and grounding out. Is the comm antenna still inside the fairing and
working good? This really blows holes in the idea that comm antennas
need a flat ground plane. Sorry for so many questions.
Thanks for your answers ...
Jerry
RV4
Huntley IL
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
Wally, You are correct sir. In comparison with my whip antenna, the copper strip
performed equally as well in comm tests with controlling agencies. Wingtip antennas
are effective also and completely hidden. The best part is the clean lines
of the RV4 unspoiled by antennas (and the drag they produce)...
RR
RV4WGH(at)aol.com wrote:
Jerry,
What Rob is talking about, I assume, is mounting the copper strip to the wood
gear leg stiffener. At least that is what I plan to do. Antennas are or were
$7 from Van's. I plan to put one on each gear leg stiffener. I have also mounted
an antenna doubler plate mid point abut 10 inches behind the firewall just
in case I ever want to add the whip antenna.
I am based at Cottonwood Airport, NW side of Rockford. After the snow clears,
drop in sometime. Of course, you can drive in anytime.
Happy Flying Safely,
Wally Hunt
815-262-3153
RV-4 FINISHING KIT
From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net>
Subject: Re: RV4-List: TRANSPONDER ANTENNAS
Hi Rob ...
Can you please expand on the comm antenna in the left gear leg? It
obviously had to be a straight whip. How did you fasten it to the
structure of the leg, how did you ground the antenna mount? How close
to the fuselage was the base of the antenna? How long was the antenna?
How did you prevent the whip part of the ant from touching the gear leg
and grounding out. Is the comm antenna still inside the fairing and
working good? This really blows holes in the idea that comm antennas
need a flat ground plane. Sorry for so many questions.
Thanks for your answers ...
Jerry
RV4
Huntley IL
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| Subject: | BUILDER QUESTIONS |
Wondering what type of bracket any of your RV-4 builders used to attach the
crotch strap and also, have any of you used Van's canopy safety latch with the
reverse action in the canopy closure ie. forward to go not forward to open
Happy Flying Safely,
Wally Hunt
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: BUILDER QUESTIONS |
Not sure if your talking front or rear seat. Front I used a triangular piece
of (.125 I think or maybe lighter) and bolted to two of the center wing
splice plate bolts and used a #4 bolt thru to the seat belt attach. Rear, I just
went around the flap actuator shaft.
Pat Long
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| From: | "S Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21(at)london.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: BUILDER QUESTIONS |
Wally - havnt got to the canopy yet but the front and back 5th point
attach is in quite a few of the pictures here. Double click on them to
blow them up.
http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/
Hope that helps.
Cheers, Steve.
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Subject: RV4-List: BUILDER QUESTIONS
Wondering what type of bracket any of your RV-4 builders used to
attach the crotch strap and also, have any of you used Van's canopy
safety latch with the reverse action in the canopy closure ie. forward
to go not forward to open
Happy Flying Safely,
Wally Hunt
Rockford, IL
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BUILDER QUESTIONS |
Wally,
I attached the front crotch strap to one of my spar bolts. Still works great
after 1500 hours. My canopy handle is spring loaded aft when closed. Works
great. I installed a taxi postion "hold open" pin in my roll bar that also acts
as a safety catch in case it came open for some unknown reason. It slides through
the center canopy bulkhead. Hope that helps.
Rob Ray
S Sampson wrote:
Wally - havnt got to the canopy yet but the front and back 5th point
attach is in quite a few of the pictures here. Double click on them to blow them
up.
http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/
Hope that helps.
Cheers, Steve.
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: RV4-List: BUILDER QUESTIONS
Wondering what type of bracket any of your RV-4 builders used to attach the crotch
strap and also, have any of you used Van's canopy safety latch with the
reverse action in the canopy closure ie. forward to go not forward to open
Happy Flying Safely,
Wally Hunt
Rockford, IL
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BUILDER QUESTIONS |
Wally, Also, I used a standard seat belt strap attach bracket to connect the crotch
strap to the spar bolt up front. I don't have a rear crotch strap as I plan
on my back seat passenger being female...:)
When I bought the crotch strap from Van's it came already set up. All I had to
do was bolt it on.
Rob Ray
Rob Ray wrote:
Wally,
I attached the front crotch strap to one of my spar bolts. Still works great
after 1500 hours. My canopy handle is spring loaded aft when closed. Works
great. I installed a taxi postion "hold open" pin in my roll bar that also acts
as a safety catch in case it came open for some unknown reason. It slides through
the center canopy bulkhead. Hope that helps.
Rob Ray
S Sampson wrote:
Wally - havnt got to the canopy yet but the front and back 5th point
attach is in quite a few of the pictures here. Double click on them to blow them
up.
http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/
Hope that helps.
Cheers, Steve.
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: RV4-List: BUILDER QUESTIONS
Wondering what type of bracket any of your RV-4 builders used to attach the crotch
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reverse action in the canopy closure ie. forward to go not forward to open
Happy Flying Safely,
Wally Hunt
Rockford, IL
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| From: | "Moore, Warren" <Warren.Moore(at)tidelandsoil.com> |
| Subject: | BUILDER QUESTIONS |
I have a Hooker 5 point in my -4. I made a triangular piece out of 1/8"
steel. Bolted the base of the triangle to the two center top main spar
bolts on the firewall side. I did not need to find longer spar bolts but
used AN364 thin lock nuts..just had the min thread clearance. Found that I
had to cut a relief in my seat cushion...so as I moved up, or hung in the
straps, the crotch strap would not compress the seat cushion, allow the lap
belt to ride up, and let me bonk my head on the canopy.
Warren Moore
Rv-4, 85 hrs so far.
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Subject: RV4-List: BUILDER QUESTIONS
Wondering what type of bracket any of your RV-4 builders used to attach the
crotch strap and also, have any of you used Van's canopy safety latch with
the reverse action in the canopy closure ie. forward to go not forward to
open
Happy Flying Safely,
Wally Hunt
Rockford, IL
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| From: | "S Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21(at)london.edu> |
I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
Thanks, Steve.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rear seat back |
| From: | "Derrick Aubuchon" <daubuchon(at)volcano.net> |
Check Van's website.
There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
>
> Thanks, Steve.
--
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daubuchon(at)volcano.net
RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear seat back |
Steve,
If you restrict your back seat usage to petite, cute girls, you will never have
a problem... :)
RR
Check Van's website.
There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
>
> Thanks, Steve.
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RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
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| From: | "S Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21(at)london.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear seat back |
Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates to the steel
bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those installed.What I am
puzzling about is the fact that on the front side of the bulkhead the
contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I have put a couple of
pictures
http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-installation.html#links
on my blog to try and make my concern clearer. Am I misunderstanding
something?
Cheers, Steve
Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I would probably
find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at 112lbs is OK?
Still would like to build the thing right though!
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From: "Derrick Aubuchon" <daubuchon(at)volcano.net>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> Check Van's website.
> There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
> The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
>
>> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
>> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
>> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
>> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
>>
>> Thanks, Steve.
>
>
> --
> Derrick Aubuchon
> daubuchon(at)volcano.net
> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
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| From: | halbenjamin(at)optonline.net |
| Subject: | Re: Rear seat back |
Hi Steve,
You have it right. I trimmed the side rails to match the angle they at witch they
meet the bulkhead. I'm thinking about adding a "wedge" of plastic as well
to distribute the load.
Hal Benjamin
Finish Kit
RV4 - Long Island, NY
----- Original Message -----
From: S Sampson
Date: Monday, April 2, 2007 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates
> to the steel
> bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those
> installed.What I am
> puzzling about is the fact that on the front side of the
> bulkhead the
> contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I have put a
> couple of
> pictures
> http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-
> installation.html#linkson my blog to try and make my concern
> clearer. Am I misunderstanding
> something?
>
> Cheers, Steve
>
> Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I
> would probably
> find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at
> 112lbs is OK?
> Still would like to build the thing right though!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
>
> >
> > Check Van's website.
> > There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this
> very issue.
> > The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> > seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
> >
> >> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how
> the weight
> >> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead.
> Is the
> >> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the
> bulkhead is
> >> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> >>
> >> Thanks, Steve.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Derrick Aubuchon
> > daubuchon(at)volcano.net
> > RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: Rear seat back |
hi hal,
i just read about the rear seat. i'm located on long island with a flying
rv-4. located 1n2 spardo's. where are you on long island?
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rv4
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| Subject: | Re: Rear seat back |
| From: | "Derrick Aubuchon" <daubuchon(at)volcano.net> |
Steve,
As another builder mentioned, trim the side channel to match the bulkhead.
However, keep this in mind, most of the load and contact surface is borne
by the to half of the seat back, the fiberglass portioned,, and should be
drilled in assembly to match the correct seatback to bulkhead angle.
If drilled properly, the entire fiberglass flange should rest against the
bulkhead, and only the top portion of the side angle should make contact,
below the fiberglass.
It's would be best to "dry fit" the fiberglass to the seat back, and place
in against the bulkhead in order to eyeball the correct angle on the side
rail.
Derrick Aubuchon
daubuchon(at)volcano.net
RV4: N184DA 500+ hours
Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
>
> Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates to the
> steel bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those
> installed.What I am puzzling about is the fact that on the front side
> of the bulkhead the contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I
> have put a couple of pictures
> http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-installation.html#links
> on my blog to try and make my concern clearer. Am I misunderstanding
> something?
>
> Cheers, Steve
>
> Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I would
> probably find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at
> 112lbs is OK? Still would like to build the thing right though!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derrick Aubuchon" <daubuchon(at)volcano.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
>
>>
>>
>> Check Van's website.
>> There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very
>> issue. The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the
>> rear seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
>>
>>> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the
>>> weight of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead.
>>> Is the intent that the point contact of the side channels to the
>>> bulkhead is the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
>>>
>>> Thanks, Steve.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Derrick Aubuchon
>> daubuchon(at)volcano.net
>> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
>> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | geospring(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/02/07 |
Steve, I just checked mine and I have a half inch lip all around that makes
full contact with the bulkhead all the way around and is hinged on the bottom
for access. The weight of the seatback cushion holds it in place. I,ve rolled
it many times and it has never moved. If I had a digital camera I could take
a photo of it for you. It,s on my list.
George RV-4 4375J Chester, Ct. 3B9
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> 1. 01:05 AM - Rear seat back (S Sampson)
> 2. 04:55 AM - Re: Rear seat back (Derrick Aubuchon)
> 3. 05:26 AM - Re: Rear seat back (Rob Ray)
> 4. 10:29 AM - Re: Rear seat back (S Sampson)
> 5. 11:16 AM - Re: Rear seat back (halbenjamin(at)optonline.net)
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> From: "S Sampson"
> Subject: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
>
> Thanks, Steve.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
> From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
>
>
> Check Van's website.
> There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
> The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
>
> > I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> > of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> > intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> > the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> >
> > Thanks, Steve.
>
>
> --
> Derrick Aubuchon
> daubuchon(at)volcano.net
> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Rob Ray
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> Steve,
>
> If you restrict your back seat usage to petite, cute girls, you will never have
> a problem... :)
>
> RR
>
>
>
> Check Van's website.
> There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
> The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
>
> > I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> > of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> > intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> > the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> >
> > Thanks, Steve.
>
>
> --
> Derrick Aubuchon
> daubuchon(at)volcano.net
> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
>
>
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> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "S Sampson"
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
>
> Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates to the steel
> bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those installed.What I am
> puzzling about is the fact that on the front side of the bulkhead the
> contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I have put a couple of
> pictures
> http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-installation.html#links
> on my blog to try and make my concern clearer. Am I misunderstanding
> something?
>
> Cheers, Steve
>
> Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I would probably
> find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at 112lbs is OK?
> Still would like to build the thing right though!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
>
> >
> > Check Van's website.
> > There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
> > The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> > seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
> >
> >> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> >> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> >> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> >> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> >>
> >> Thanks, Steve.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Derrick Aubuchon
> > daubuchon(at)volcano.net
> > RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: halbenjamin(at)optonline.net
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> You have it right. I trimmed the side rails to match the angle they at witch
> they
> meet the bulkhead. I'm thinking about adding a "wedge" of plastic as well
> to distribute the load.
>
> Hal Benjamin
> Finish Kit
> RV4 - Long Island, NY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: S Sampson
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> >
> > Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates
> > to the steel
> > bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those
> > installed.What I am
> > puzzling about is the fact that on the front side of the
> > bulkhead the
> > contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I have put a
> > couple of
> > pictures
> > http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-
> > installation.html#linkson my blog to try and make my concern
> > clearer. Am I misunderstanding
> > something?
> >
> > Cheers, Steve
> >
> > Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I
> > would probably
> > find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at
> > 112lbs is OK?
> > Still would like to build the thing right though!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Check Van's website.
> > > There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this
> > very issue.
> > > The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> > > seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
> > >
> > >> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how
> > the weight
> > >> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead.
> > Is the
> > >> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the
> > bulkhead is
> > >> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Steve.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Derrick Aubuchon
> > > daubuchon(at)volcano.net
> > > RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> > > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: DFCPAC(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> hi hal,
>
> i just read about the rear seat. i'm located on long island with a flying
> rv-4. located 1n2 spardo's. where are you on long island?
>
> danny
> rv4
> N2275S
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
> From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
>
>
> Steve,
>
> As another builder mentioned, trim the side channel to match the bulkhead.
> However, keep this in mind, most of the load and contact surface is borne
> by the to half of the seat back, the fiberglass portioned,, and should be
> drilled in assembly to match the correct seatback to bulkhead angle.
>
> If drilled properly, the entire fiberglass flange should rest against the
> bulkhead, and only the top portion of the side angle should make contact,
> below the fiberglass.
>
> It's would be best to "dry fit" the fiberglass to the seat back, and place
> in against the bulkhead in order to eyeball the correct angle on the side
> rail.
>
> Derrick Aubuchon
> daubuchon(at)volcano.net
> RV4: N184DA 500+ hours
> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
>
> >
> > Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates to the
> > steel bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those
> > installed.What I am puzzling about is the fact that on the front side
> > of the bulkhead the contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I
> > have put a couple of pictures
> > http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-installation.html#links
> > on my blog to try and make my concern clearer. Am I misunderstanding
> > something?
> >
> > Cheers, Steve
> >
> > Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I would
> > probably find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at
> > 112lbs is OK? Still would like to build the thing right though!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Check Van's website.
> >> There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very
> >> issue. The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the
> >> rear seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
> >>
> >>> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the
> >>> weight of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead.
> >>> Is the intent that the point contact of the side channels to the
> >>> bulkhead is the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Steve.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Derrick Aubuchon
> >> daubuchon(at)volcano.net
> >> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> >> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> --
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Steve, I just checked mine and I have a half inch lip all around
that makes full contact with the bulkhead all the way around and is hinged
on the bottom for access. The weight of the seatback cushion holds it in
place. I,ve rolled it many times and it has never moved. If I had a digital
camera I could take a photo of it for you. It,s on my list.
George RV-4 4375J Chester, Ct.
3B9
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> 1. 01:05 AM - Rear seat back (S Sampson)
> 2. 04:55 AM - Re: Rear seat back (Derrick Aubuchon)
> 3. 05:26 AM - Re: Rear seat back (Rob Ray)
> 4. 10:29 AM - Re: Rear seat back (S Sampson)
> 5. 11:16 AM - Re: Re
ar sea
t back (halbenjamin(at)optonline.net)
> 6. 11:29 AM - Re: Rear seat back (DFCPAC(at)aol.com)
> 7. 02:02 PM - Re: Rear seat back (Derrick Aubuchon)
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> Time:
Subject: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> I am putting the rear
seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> of the pax leaning
back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> intent that the point
contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> the mechanism? It
appears a bit crude!
>
> Thanks, Steve.
>
> ________________________________
Message 2
> _____________________________________
RV4-List: Rear seat back <BR>> From: "Derrick Au
buchon
"
>
>
> Check Van's website.
>
There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
> The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
>
seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
>
> > I am putting
the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> > of
the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> >
intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
>
> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> >
> > Thanks,
Steve.
>
>
> --
> Derrick Aubuchon
>
daubuchon(at)volcano.net
> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> Based @ O70 (Jackson,
CA)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time:
RAY@YA
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> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> Steve,
>
> If you restrict your back seat usage to petite, cute girls,
you will never have
> a problem... :)
>
> RR
>
>
>
> Check Van's website.
> There is a Service Bulletin
(SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
> The SB entails installing
angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> seat/baggage bulkhead,
and the longerons.
>
> > I am putting the rear seat frame together,
and puzzling how the weight
> > of the pax leaning back in
it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> > intent that the point
contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> > the mechanism? It
appears a bit crude!
> >
> > Thanks, Steve.
>
>
> --
> Derrick Aubuchon
> daubuchon(at)volcano.net
>
RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> Based @ O70 (Jac
kson,
> <
BR>> Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I would probably
> find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at 112lbs
is OK?
> Still would like to build the thing right though!
>
>
<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
>
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
>
> >
>
> Check Van's website.
> > There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1),
which addresses this very issue.
> > The SB entails installing
angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> > seat/baggage bulkhead,
and the longerons.
> >
> >> I am putting the rear seat
frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> >> of the pax leaning
back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> >> intent
that the point contact of the side channels to the b
ulkhea
eat ba
ck <BR>> <BR>> Hi Steve, <BR>> <BR>> You have it right. I trimmed the side rails to match the angle they at witch <BR>> they <BR>> meet the bulkhead. I'm thinking about adding a "wedge" of plastic as well <BR>> to distribute the load. <BR>> <BR>> Hal Benjamin <BR>> Finish Kit <BR>> RV4 - Long Island, NY <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: S Sampson <BR>> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back <BR>> <BR>> > <BR>> > Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates <BR>> > to the steel <BR>> > bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those <BR>> > installed.What I am <BR>> > puzzling about is the fact that on the front side of the <BR>> > bulkhead the <BR>> > contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I have put a <BR>> > couple of <BR>> > pictures <BR>> > http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat- <BR>> > instal
lation
.html#linkson my blog to try and make my concern
> > clearer. Am I misunderstanding
> > something?
> >
> > Cheers, Steve
> >
> > Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out
for me, (I
> > would probably
> > find half my spar bolts
missing) but I trust a cute wife at
> > 112lbs is OK?
> >
Still would like to build the thing right though!
> >
> >
<BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
>
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Check Van's website.
> > >
There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this
> >
very issue.
> > > The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets),
between the rear
> > > seat/baggage bul
khead,
and the longerons.
> > >
> > >> I am putting the
rear seat frame together, and puzzling how
> > the weight
> >
>> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead.
>
> Is the
> > >> intent that the point contact of the
side channels to the
> > bulkhead is
> > >> the mechanism?
It appears a bit crude!
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
Steve.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
>
> > Derrick Aubuchon
> > > daubuchon(at)volcano.net
>
> > RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> > > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> ______________________________________________________________________>
> > > This email has been scan
ned by
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>
Rear seat back <BR>> From: "Derrick Aubuchon" <DAUBUCHON(at)VOLCANO.NET><BR>>
>
> Steve,
>
> As another builder mentioned,
trim the side channel to match the bulkhead.
> However, keep this in mind,
most of the load and contact surface is borne
> by the to half of the
seat back, the fiberglass portioned,, and should be
> drilled in assembly
to match the correct seatback to bulkhead angle.
>
> If drilled
properly, the entire fiberglass flange should rest against the
>
bulkhead, and only the top portion of the side angle should make contact,
>
below the fiberglass.
>
> It's would be best to "dry fit" the
fiberglass to the seat back, and place
> in against the bulkhead in
order to eyeball the correct angle on the side
&g
t; rai
l.
>
> Derrick Aubuchon
> daubuchon@volcano.net
> RV4: N184DA 500+ hours
> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
>
> >
> > Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates to the
> > steel bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those
> > installed.What I am puzzling about is the fact that on the front side
> > of the bulkhead the contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I
> > have put a couple of pictures
> > http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-installation.html#links
> > on my blog to try and make my concern clearer. Am I misunderstanding
> > something?
> >
> > Cheers, Steve
> >
> > Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I would
> > probably find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at
> > 112lbs is OK? Still would like to
build
the thing right though!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> > From: "Derrick Aubuchon" <DAUBUCHON(at)VOLCANO.NET><BR>>
> To:
> > Sent: Monday, April 02,
2007 12:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Check Van's website.
> >> There is a Service Bulletin
(SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very
> >> issue. The SB
entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the
> >> rear seat/baggage
bulkhead, and the longerons.
> >>
> >>>
I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the
> >>>
weight of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead.
> >>> Is the intent that the point contact of the side channels
to the
> >>> bulkhead is the mech
anism?
It appears a bit crude!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Steve.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Derrick Aubuchon
> >> daubuchon@volcano.net
> >> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> >> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System
> >> on behalf of the London Business School community.
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> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> daubuchon@volcano.net
>
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "S Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21(at)london.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear seat back |
Hal/Derek/others - thanks for the input. Its obvious once you know how!
It all came together reallly well. The result is here.
http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-cont.html#links
Cheers!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "S Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21(at)london.edu> |
I asked this question on Vansairforce but got nothing from the -4
community. I thought I would try here, since it must have been
considered.
With all the -4 flying in the USA is there any 'conventional wisdom'
about offsetting the VS at the front spar to the left to reduce the need
for right rudder in order to fly in trim?
I found a bit about it in the matronics archives back in '98 but nothing
since. They were talking 1/4". The -9 is certainly designed this way and
I expect the -7.
If yes, how much offset? Also does it mean you have to throw the VANS
fairing out?
Thoughts?
Thanks, Steve.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "efortner(at)vnet.net" <efortner(at)ctc.net> |
I am building a RV-4 but have not worked on it in a while. I do remember
building in offset to the vertical stablizer. I
don't remember if it was 1/4 inch or 3/8 inch but was built
in when I attached it.Don't recall if it was in the instructions or not
but I did read it somewhere to do that.
Earl Fortner, Harrisburg, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: S Sampson
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:28 AM
Subject: RV4-List: VS offset
I asked this question on Vansairforce but got nothing from the -4
community. I thought I would try here, since it must have been
considered.
With all the -4 flying in the USA is there any 'conventional wisdom'
about offsetting the VS at the front spar to the left to reduce the need
for right rudder in order to fly in trim?
I found a bit about it in the matronics archives back in '98 but
nothing since. They were talking 1/4". The -9 is certainly designed this
way and I expect the -7.
If yes, how much offset? Also does it mean you have to throw the VANS
fairing out?
Thoughts?
Thanks, Steve.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oldsfolks(at)aol.com |
I have built two RV-4's and set the HS in line with the fuselage. There
are enough variables in building with out adding more possibilities of out
-of-trim.
Bob Olds
RV-4 - N126RV & N1191X
Charleston,Arkansas
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | halbenjamin(at)optonline.net |
Hi Steve,
I considered offsetting the VS, but after talking to a couple of people with flying
4s (Including Van's) I decided to mount it straight as per plans.
Hal Benjamin
RV4, Long Island, NY
Endlessly tweaking canopy frame
----- Original Message -----
From: S Sampson
Date: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:40 am
Subject: RV4-List: VS offset
> I asked this question on Vansairforce but got nothing from the -
> 4 community. I thought I would try here, since it must have been
> considered.
>
> With all the -4 flying in the USA is there any 'conventional
> wisdom' about offsetting the VS at the front spar to the left to
> reduce the need for right rudder in order to fly in trim?
>
> I found a bit about it in the matronics archives back in '98 but
> nothing since. They were talking 1/4". The -9 is certainly
> designed this way and I expect the -7.
>
> If yes, how much offset? Also does it mean you have to throw the
> VANS fairing out?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks, Steve.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Isler" <jlisler(at)alltel.net> |
I built mine with a 1/4" offset. I did not use the Vans tail
intersection fairing. It was not even close and it looked awful. I layed
up a new fairing that fits really good so far. As for the offset, I
still need the pressure of your foot resting on the right rudder peddle
to center the ball. I guess I will eventually put on a trim tab.
Jerry Isler
Donalsonville, GA
RV-4 N455J
16 hrs and counting
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "S Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21(at)london.edu> |
Thanks everyone for the VS offset info. On balance I think I have been
talked out of the idea. I had thought that since the later RV are built
with the VS offset, it would make lots of sense, but though there was
some, there was not a lot of support. Cheers, Steve.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "efortner(at)vnet.net" <efortner(at)ctc.net> |
I would suggest you research it a little more. I have yet to see and
RV-4 that did not have a wedge or trim tab on the rudder. How about
asking Van. I am sure he
would reply to your request and I doubt if there is anyone that knows
more about the RV-4 than Van.
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: S Sampson
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: VS offset
Thanks everyone for the VS offset info. On balance I think I have been
talked out of the idea. I had thought that since the later RV are built
with the VS offset, it would make lots of sense, but though there was
some, there was not a lot of support. Cheers, Steve.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Vickers" <brianvic(at)msn.com> |
Steve,
Don't fold up your tent so fast. I think from your responses there is
reasonably strong evidence to support installing with an offset. Jerry I.
and Dayton M. both are recent RV4 flyers that have noted the need to hold
right rudder in level cruise. Has Smokey replied on this? I am going to
call the factory Monday morning and see what they say. I don't want a big
trim tab on the rudder if a slight offset will put level cruise flight at
nearly neutral. I'll report back on the factory response.
Brian Vickers, RV4 finishing
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[mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of S Sampson
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: VS offset
Thanks everyone for the VS offset info. On balance I think I have been
talked out of the idea. I had thought that since the later RV are built with
the VS offset, it would make lots of sense, but though there was some, there
was not a lot of support. Cheers, Steve.
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| From: | "Michael" <cubflyr(at)comcast.net> |
Steve:
When I was first building (George Bush The First was president) I had been
working with airplanes for years (since Nixon was president; yikes!). Since
I was now building my own, I looked at every airplane I could, factory or
custom built, which you should also do. I also have a 1946 J-3 Cub in the
hangar and could look at it. Almost ALL of them, from the fastest to the
slowest, had an offset vertical fin. I also noticed some rather humongous
rudder trim tabs on the two RV models that were out: the -3 and the -4, then
later on the -6. And some of them were not pretty. (Do NOT just stick a
piece of flat stock on the rudder; THAT is ugly.) I decided to offset my
vertical (I am the factory, after all) and, although I can't remember how
much, I believe it was 1/4 inch. Then I went flying. I found I still had to
hold a little rudder in level flight and ended up putting on a trim tab
anyway, but smaller than most I had seen. I found myself wishing I had
offset it more. But how do you know until you put air under the wings? Trim
flight involves so many factors.
The tail fairing was discarded almost as it came out of the box: from the
box to the trash. I built my own that has a glove-like fit and I like it.
Trim tab: an aluminum wedge plate that sits at the trailing edge. Placement
is a controversial issue: it is my opinion that the lower (or higher, what
ever you don't mind people seeing) may work better. I place mine where I saw
most others placed: about in line with the middle hinge of the rudder. That
may not be the best place as the rudder may not have as much authority there
due to the disturbed air from the fuselage, but I am not sure because I
didn't play with the up and down as much as I should have. The Bugs know:
there are rarely any bugs on the tail fairing. Most bugs start about 8
inches above the fairing, meaning that the air is disturbed from the
canopy/fuselage and may not be reaching the trim tab as well as it could.
Tufting would also help determine where to put it but to see back there
necessitates formation flying with you and someone else that ALSO knows
formation flight.
SO: when you are duct taping your wooden trim tab test model on the rudder
for flight trials, play with the size (height and width) as well as the
angle that you need. But also, once you found the size that works best for
feet on the floor flying AT CRUISE, move it up and down the rudder to see
where it is most effective. You do NOT want to fly everywhere with your foot
pressed against the rudder for the next 3000 hours. Also remember this has
to be done AFTER the main gear leg fairings are in place because they can
influence how straight the airplane flies. Suzie Q is one of the straightest
airplanes I have flown. There is NO elevator sticking up or down from the
horizontal when I am in cruise and solo, minimal baggage. Even with a
passenger only about 1/8 inch sticks up. She cruises, once trimmed, feet on
the floor.
I LOVE my airplane. So will you.
Michael
N232 Suzie Q
1038 hours, more to be put on this morning......
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| From: | "S Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21(at)london.edu> |
Brian, calling the factory from here doesn't work too well, so I will be
very interested to hear if you manage to engage them in a discussion,
and more importantly what they have to say. WRT Smokey, I have seen no
input, but I sense he catches up in blocks. Perhaps he is away a lot
since it is the sort of thing he normally joins in on.
No, my tent is not folded! I was just trying to get some
reaction...which appears to have worked. It is not a thing which I need
to act on for a while, since the next major operation is the dreaded
canopy. Just trying to get my ducks lined up though.
Glad you are also interested. Its a big help.
Cheers, Steve.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vickers
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV4-List: VS offset
Steve,
Don't fold up your tent so fast. I think from your responses there is
reasonably strong evidence to support installing with an offset. Jerry
I. and Dayton M. both are recent RV4 flyers that have noted the need to
hold right rudder in level cruise. Has Smokey replied on this? I am
going to call the factory Monday morning and see what they say. I don't
want a big trim tab on the rudder if a slight offset will put level
cruise flight at nearly neutral. I'll report back on the factory
response.
Brian Vickers, RV4 finishing
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To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV4-List: VS offset
Thanks everyone for the VS offset info. On balance I think I have been
talked out of the idea. I had thought that since the later RV are built
with the VS offset, it would make lots of sense, but though there was
some, there was not a lot of support. Cheers, Steve.
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steve,
i did not build my rv-4, but i did check it and it has a very little offset.
and i still have one of those little angle blocks on my rudder. before i
painted the plane i taped it on and got what i wanted. no falling asleep right
foot.
good meeting you last week.still fooling around with that canopy? i'll try
to fly over next Saturday and maybe we can do some flying.
regards
danny
rv-4
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
Steve, Danny,
I helped a friend assemble an RV4 with 1 degree right offset in the vertical
stab. I thought at the time it was a great idea, and it was. The aircraft flew
hands off and needed no rudder trim up to 170mph. Above 170mph up to VNE it would
displace the ball to the middle of the "centered" reference line. His cruise
speed was 155 knots (170 mph) so it really worked great.
I highly recommend the mod, it works!
Rob Ray
DFCPAC(at)aol.com wrote: steve,
i did not build my rv-4, but i did check it and it has a very little offset.
and i still have one of those little angle blocks on my rudder. before i painted
the plane i taped it on and got what i wanted. no falling asleep right foot.
good meeting you last week.still fooling around with that canopy? i'll try to
fly over next Saturday and maybe we can do some flying.
regards
danny
rv-4
N2275S
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
Guys,
OOPS, I meant the other right...1 degree LEFT offset producing right rudder! I
get Lysdexic sometimes!
Smokey
Rob Ray wrote: Steve, Danny,
I helped a friend assemble an RV4 with 1 degree right offset in the vertical
stab. I thought at the time it was a great idea, and it was. The aircraft flew
hands off and needed no rudder trim up to 170mph. Above 170mph up to VNE it would
displace the ball to the middle of the "centered" reference line. His cruise
speed was 155 knots (170 mph) so it really worked great.
I highly recommend the mod, it works!
Rob Ray
DFCPAC(at)aol.com wrote: steve,
i did not build my rv-4, but i did check it and it has a very little offset.
and i still have one of those little angle blocks on
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| From: | "Gene Smith" <esmith6(at)satx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Rudder trim inside the cockpit |
OK, for you out there that have rear seat rudder pedals, it is an easy
task to install a rudder trim...Get a turn buckle and a medium strength
spring, and (you determine the size of each to fit your situation) hook
the turn buckle to the right rear pedal, and the spring where the rear
pedal PUSH ROD goes through the bulkhead.
To operate, push the right rudder pedal with your size 12 until you get
the "ball" in the center, or where ever you want it, then start cranking
the turn buckle to tighten the spring (this PULLS the rear pedal
forward, and the right rudder forward) until you can remove your size 12
from the front rudder pedal, and maybe tweak it if necessary.
I know your thought now is, "suppose I forget it all in the traffic
pattern," no problem, the spring might cause a little more pressure to
be applied to the right rudder, but it works fine...If you think of it
in time, you can reach down and disconnect the spring without even
looking.
So you don't have rear rudder pedals?..No problem, get a aluminum rod,
attach one end to the right rudder pedal right flange, drill a hole in
your right side bulk head and install the rod through it, allowing
enough length to work back and forth...For a long flight, get the "ball"
where you want it, and IN THE FRONT OF THE BULK HEAD, attach a small
pair of locking pliers to hold the rudder in place...LAUGH IF YOU WANT,
but I used this for years to go to OSH and LCL before installing the
rear seat rudder pedals (and never had right leg limp after
arriving)...If you forget about it in the traffic pattern, KICK THE "DOG
POO" out of the rudders and the pliers will fall off...(provided you
didn't crank them too tight!)................Hope this helps someone out
there, good luck and
.....................CHEERS!!!!...............................Gene Smith.
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| From: | "Gene Smith" <esmith6(at)satx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Rudder trim inside the cockpit |
OK, for you out there that have rear seat rudder pedals, it is an easy
task to install a rudder trim...Get a turn buckle and a medium strength
spring, and (you determine the size of each to fit your situation) hook
the turn buckle to the right rear pedal, and the spring where the rear
pedal PUSH ROD goes through the bulkhead.
To operate, push the right rudder pedal with your size 12 until you get
the "ball" in the center, or where ever you want it, then start cranking
the turn buckle to tighten the spring (this PULLS the rear pedal
forward, and the right rudder forward) until you can remove your size 12
from the front rudder pedal, and maybe tweak it if necessary.
I know your thought now is, "suppose I forget it all in the traffic
pattern," no problem, the spring might cause a little more pressure to
be applied to the right rudder, but it works fine...If you think of it
in time, you can reach down and disconnect the spring without even
looking.
So you don't have rear rudder pedals?..No problem, get a aluminum rod,
attach one end to the right rudder pedal right flange, drill a hole in
your right side bulk head and install the rod through it, allowing
enough length to work back and forth...For a long flight, get the "ball"
where you want it, and IN THE FRONT OF THE BULK HEAD, attach a small
pair of locking pliers to hold the rudder in place...LAUGH IF YOU WANT,
but I used this for years to go to OSH and LCL before installing the
rear seat rudder pedals (and never had right leg limp after
arriving)...If you forget about it in the traffic pattern, KICK THE "DOG
POO" out of the rudders and the pliers will fall off...(provided you
didn't crank them too tight!)................Hope this helps someone out
there, good luck and
.....................CHEERS!!!!...............................Gene
Smith.
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| From: | John DeCuir <jadecuir(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | RV4-list: Question for Derrick A. |
Derrick, I'm searching in vain for small eyebolts (3/16") for the tail
wheel chain attachment. The holes in my rudder arm are getting
elongated. Where did you find them?
John DeCuir
N204CP, RV-4
SNS, CA
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| Subject: | Re: RV4-list: Question for Derrick A. |
| From: | "Miles Bowen" <cessna170bdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
John,
If you're talking about the AN-42B bolts, try Genuine Aircraft Hardware (http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/). The guys are good source for some of the less common stuff.
Miles
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1955 C170B
HRII Plans#211
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-list: Question for Derrick A. |
Ace Hardware...
Derrick, I'm searching in vain for small eyebolts (3/16") for the tail
wheel chain attachment. The holes in my rudder arm are getting
elongated. Where did you find them?
John DeCuir
N204CP, RV-4
SNS, CA
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| Subject: | Re: RV4-list: Question for Derrick A. |
| From: | "Derrick Aubuchon" <daubuchon(at)volcano.net> |
Hi John,
AN42B for the eyebolts,
AN115-21 for the shackles
I think I used Wicks, although any aircraft supply house should have
them,, such as Spruce,,
Derrick
>
>
> Derrick, I'm searching in vain for small eyebolts (3/16") for the tail
wheel chain attachment. The holes in my rudder arm are getting
> elongated. Where did you find them?
>
> John DeCuir
> N204CP, RV-4
> SNS, CA
>
>
--
daubuchon(at)volcano.net
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| From: | "S Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21(at)london.edu> |
Brian, did you talk to the factory yet? Thanks, Steve.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vickers
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV4-List: VS offset
Steve,
Don't fold up your tent so fast. I think from your responses there is
reasonably strong evidence to support installing with an offset. Jerry
I. and Dayton M. both are recent RV4 flyers that have noted the need to
hold right rudder in level cruise. Has Smokey replied on this? I am
going to call the factory Monday morning and see what they say. I don't
want a big trim tab on the rudder if a slight offset will put level
cruise flight at nearly neutral. I'll report back on the factory
response.
Brian Vickers, RV4 finishing
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[mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of S Sampson
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:08 AM
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV4-List: VS offset
Thanks everyone for the VS offset info. On balance I think I have been
talked out of the idea. I had thought that since the later RV are built
with the VS offset, it would make lots of sense, but though there was
some, there was not a lot of support. Cheers, Steve.
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| From: | "Brian Vickers" <brianvic(at)msn.com> |
Sort of=85.
I talked with a guy that =93thought=94 it was a good idea since all the
subsequent RV models are rigged with =BC inch off-set. His response was
pretty casual. He was going to check into it and get back to me. I had
to
go out of town on business and so we have not connected up yet. I will
call
again on Monday morning. I will report back after I talk to him on
Monday.
Brian N. Vickers, MAI
RPA
Real Property Analysis, LLC
P.O. Box 11790
Bainbridge Island, WA 98110
Ph 206-780-9814
Fx 206-842-2496
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[mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of S Sampson
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: VS offset
Brian, did you talk to the factory yet? Thanks, Steve.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vickers <mailto:brianvic(at)msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV4-List: VS offset
Steve,
Don=92t fold up your tent so fast. I think from your responses there is
reasonably strong evidence to support installing with an offset. Jerry
I.
and Dayton M. both are recent RV4 flyers that have noted the need to
hold
right rudder in level cruise. Has Smokey replied on this? I am going
to
call the factory Monday morning and see what they say. I don=92t want a
big
trim tab on the rudder if a slight offset will put level cruise flight
at
nearly neutral. I=92ll report back on the factory response.
Brian Vickers, RV4 finishing
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[mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of S Sampson
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: VS offset
Thanks everyone for the VS offset info. On balance I think I have been
talked out of the idea. I had thought that since the later RV are built
with
the VS offset, it would make lots of sense, but though there was some,
there
was not a lot of support. Cheers, Steve.
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| From: | "B Smith" <bsmith3163(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Looking for rv-4 builder near Las Vegas to inspect used kit. |
Hello, I am looking for an RV builder near Las Vegas that would be
interested in helping me inspect a used RV-4 kit. I would prefer someone
that actually built the RV-4 but if no one is available then someone that
built another RV type would have to work. I am willing to pay a reasonable
fee. If anyone is interested I would really appreciate it. I have been
looking at building an RV for a while but do not want to get into a bad kit.
Please contact me off list at bsmith3163(at)aol.com. Thank you.
Brian Smith
Celina, TX 75009
214-851-0018
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| From: | "Lyle Peterson" <lyleap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Blaine Aviation Weekend |
This is coming very soon but it should be a great fly-in. EAA Chapter
237
is having a fly-in pancake breakfast and lunch at Anoka County Airport
in
Blaine, MN on May 19th and 20th
Chapter 237's Famous Pancake Breakfast with sausage and beverage runs
from
7a.m. to noon and lunch of hamburgers, hot dogs and chili runs until
4p.m.
There are two really great aviation museums on the airport. Golden
Wings
Museum has a collection of beautifully restored vintage airplanes that
includes five trimotors. American Wings Air Museum has a collection of
warbirds from WWII to Dessert Storm. They also have a Wright Flyer
replica,
an original 1911 Steco biplane plus many other exhibits.
There was a Swift, an Ercoupe, a Luscombe T8-F plus a lot of other
vintage
airplanes, warbirds and the usual later model airplanes at last year's
event.
There will be a Hangar Dance Saturday evening with the Sights and Sounds
of
Dave Andrews Big Band. This has been a lot of fun for everyone that
attended in past years.
More can be found at www.eaachapter237.org
Thank you,
Lyle Peterson
President, EAA Chapter 237
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| Subject: | Re: TRANSPONDER ANTENNAS |
| From: | "gjslutz" <gjslutz(at)roadrunner.com> |
After looking at Tracy Saylor's RV-6 @ OSH I did the same. I moved my transponder
ant. to a 8" dia. plate I attached below the engine under the cowl. It has
worked well for a few years now.
My com antena in the gear leg didn't do as well. It had low range. I'm not sure
what was wrong whith my com ant. as others have worked ok.
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| Subject: | RV-4 CANOPY SKINS |
What have you builders found to be a good process for removing the shrink
and stretch marks before priming? My thought was sand and prime with a sanding
primer and sand some more.
Your thoughts?
Regards,
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Rockford, IL
RV-4 Finishing Kit
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| From: | "Brian Vickers" <brianvic(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RV-4 CANOPY SKINS |
PPG makes a primer/surfacer: Prima K36 On the PPG website you are looking
for data sheet P-169P. It is a high solid content primer that sands really
well. That's what it's made for. I'm addicted to using it. It's
particularly suitable for fiberglass. I don't think it's real expensive
either. I used if for the shrink/stretch marks on the side skins. Can't
see em' now!!!
Brian N. Vickers
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What have you builders found to be a good process for removing the shrink
and stretch marks before priming? My thought was sand and prime with a
sanding primer and sand some more.
Your thoughts?
Regards,
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Rockford, IL
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| From: | "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> |
Does anyone on list have a method to test a strobe power supply and
strobe tube. I am looking for a way to detect whether the tube or the
power supply is defective when a system fails. I have seen a tester for
sale at an aviation supply house, but am looking for a way to test with
readily available equipment.
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| Subject: | Landing a loaded RV-4 |
Help.......I have an RV-4 and am experiencing landing problems with a rear
seater present. I installed a Landoll Harmonic Balancer and according to weight
and balance, should be able to tote a 225 pounder and stay within CG limits
with correct fuel loads. Even with a 120-150 pound person in the rear seat,
the elevator controls are so light it's almost like moving nothing. Not sure
if I'm over controlling, but it is so easy to get a hip hop dance down the
runway. Friend said to try and use a significant amount of down elevator trim
to
help. Haven't tried that yet but will next flight. What works for others?
Just stick with wheel landings? Lots of friends that would like a ride, but
hate to threaten them while I learn new techniques.
Pat Long
PGLong(at)aol.com
N120PL
RV4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
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| From: | Dwayne Cowles <dwaynecowles(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing a loaded RV-4 |
Pat,
I have owned 2 rv's and my current one give me fits with aft cg. I think wheel
landings will help you a lot, land a little hot, fly it to the ground. If you
experience a lot of bounce (which I do) drop a wing just a little, let one wheel
hit then the other. Less likely to bounce.
My 2 cents.
Dwayne
PGLong(at)aol.com wrote: Help.......I have an RV-4 and am experiencing landing
problems with a rear seater present. I installed a Landoll Harmonic Balancer
and according to weight and balance, should be able to tote a 225 pounder and
stay within CG limits with correct fuel loads. Even with a 120-150 pound person
in the rear seat, the elevator controls are so light it's almost like moving
nothing. Not sure if I'm over controlling, but it is so easy to get a hip
hop dance down the runway. Friend said to try and use a significant amount
of down elevator trim to help. Haven't tried that yet but will next flight. What
works for others? Just stick with wheel landings? Lots of friends that would
like a ride, but hate to threaten them while I learn new techniques.
Pat Long
PGLong(at)aol.com
N120PL
RV4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
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| From: | jamesbaldwin(at)dc.rr.com |
| Subject: | Re: Landing a loaded RV-4 |
James Baldwin wrote:
> Pat -
> From a theoretical point of view I'll give you one answer: the real
simple version. I don't have my reference book in front of me but what
we're obviously talking about here is called static longitudinal
stability. It has everything to do with what you are experiencing and
is strictly a function of loading and the resultant location of the
center of gravity (CG). As the CG moves rearward it approaches the
location of the lift line of the main wing. The tail, for positive
static stability, acts downward and (I am ignoring some cases where
unusual moments or other aerodynamic effects alter this case) is the
variable controlled by the force at the control, or in the case of an
RV, the stick. Obviously as we all experience, the forces required by
the horizontal tail vary with airspeed, thus the need for trim. As the
CG gets close to the lift line location longitudinally, due to passenger
or baggage loading, the force required downward by the horizontal tail
is less and less. Since the downward force required is becoming smaller
as we load more into the rear seat and baggage area it becomes more
sensitive to small stick movements. At the neutral point the tail does
nothing but you'd better HANG ON!
> That's a real simplistic description of what is going on here. RV4s
with lightweight starters, wood props, no mags, etc already have a
rearward bias to the location of the CG and thankfully the arm for these
weight savings is pretty small. I know of one RV6 in particular that
has the opposite problem since he is using an IO360 angle valve with a
CS prop. He runs out of elevator in the flare! He can't do a full
stall landing.
What's the solution? Well, put a CS prop on it. Put an O360 up there.
Is the battery located way up front? Doing something like this is
pretty radical so the other way to look at it is to actually measure the
location of the CG and compare it to what Van dictates as practical
limits. I'm going to guess that you guys are exceeding the rearward
limit that Van specifies as acceptable for decent handling. I don't
have the weight and balance information in front of me but if I remember
I think the limits were something like 15 to 30% MAC (of the mean
aerodynamic chord). The way you find out where you are REALLY flying is
to get three scales and fully load the airplane in a level attitude just
the way the builder did when he finished building, only do it with a
load the way you actually fly it. You and your pax (or weights) sit in
there and then you do the math after getting the weights from the
scales. Now you know what the problem is if my suspicions are correct:
you are outside the weight and balance limits set by Van for your
aircraft. Van knew enough to put a margin in there for all of us but he
also flew enough stuff to know he had to demand handling characteristics
for the "least common denominator" pilot. If I were you, I'd find out
where my CG REALLY is and quit trying to defeat the physics of flight we
all must deal with. Out of the envelope operation can only lead to
disaster when coupled with other factors such as wind, weather, low
fuel, short runways, engine out, etc. Using a forward trim does not
change the effects of a poor loading scenario. In fact it does not
change the slope of the plot of the longitudinal stability (dcm/cg) line
either, it just makes the controls feel better.
> My guess is you'll discover you are operating your airplane outside
the planned envelope and probably you need something more capable. Go
see John Harmon -- he has this thing called a Rocket. JBB
>
> ps -- a big ps here: I can imagine there maybe might be one or two
cases out there where some error in building might bias the CG or wing
location which would adversely affect the normal passenger load handling
characteristic, but probably not, it's probably plain and simple weight
and balance.
>
> PGLong(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Help.......I have an RV-4 and am experiencing landing problems with a
rear seater present. I installed a Landoll Harmonic Balancer and
according to weight and balance, should be able to tote a 225 pounder
and stay within CG limits with correct fuel loads. Even with a 120-150
pound person in the rear seat, the elevator controls are so light it's
almost like moving nothing. Not sure if I'm over controlling, but it is
so easy to get a hip hop dance down the runway. Friend said to try and
use a significant amount of down elevator trim to help. Haven't tried
that yet but will next flight. What works for others? Just stick with
wheel landings? Lots of friends that would like a ride, but hate to
threaten them while I learn new techniques.
>>
>> Pat Long
>> PGLong(at)aol.com
>> N120PL
>> RV4
>> Bay City, Michigan
>> 3CM
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing a loaded RV-4 |
Jim,
In simple tems I use a limit of 200lbs total aft of the roll bar in my 160HP
wood prop RV4.Carrying heavier folks I add fuel which helps CG. A Landoll dampener,
changing to an Odessey batter and mounting it on the firewall all helped.
I personally only give rides to cute girls under 115 lbs...your call...
Rob Ray
15,000 gallons burned, RV4
jamesbaldwin(at)dc.rr.com wrote:
James Baldwin wrote:
> Pat -
> From a theoretical point of view I'll give you one answer: the real
simple version. I don't have my reference book in front of me but what
we're obviously talking about here is called static longitudinal
stability. It has everything to do with what you are experiencing and
is strictly a function of loading and the resultant location of the
center of gravity (CG). As the CG moves rearward it approaches the
location of the lift line of the main wing. The tail, for positive
static stability, acts downward and (I am ignoring some cases where
unusual moments or other aerodynamic effects alter this case) is the
variable controlled by the force at the control, or in the case of an
RV, the stick. Obviously as we all experience, the forces required by
the horizontal tail vary with airspeed, thus the need for trim. As the
CG gets close to the lift line location longitudinally, due to passenger
or baggage loading, the force required downward by the horizontal tail
is less and less. Since the downward force required is becoming smaller
as we load more into the rear seat and baggage area it becomes more
sensitive to small stick movements. At the neutral point the tail does
nothing but you'd better HANG ON!
> That's a real simplistic description of what is going on here. RV4s
with lightweight starters, wood props, no mags, etc already have a
rearward bias to the location of the CG and thankfully the arm for these
weight savings is pretty small. I know of one RV6 in particular that
has the opposite problem since he is using an IO360 angle valve with a
CS prop. He runs out of elevator in the flare! He can't do a full
stall landing.
What's the solution? Well, put a CS prop on it. Put an O360 up there.
Is the battery located way up front? Doing something like this is
pretty radical so the other way to look at it is to actually measure the
location of the CG and compare it to what Van dictates as practical
limits. I'm going to guess that you guys are exceeding the rearward
limit that Van specifies as acceptable for decent handling. I don't
have the weight and balance information in front of me but if I remember
I think the limits were something like 15 to 30% MAC (of the mean
aerodynamic chord). The way you find out where you are REALLY flying is
to get three scales and fully load the airplane in a level attitude just
the way the builder did when he finished building, only do it with a
load the way you actually fly it. You and your pax (or weights) sit in
there and then you do the math after getting the weights from the
scales. Now you know what the problem is if my suspicions are correct:
you are outside the weight and balance limits set by Van for your
aircraft. Van knew enough to put a margin in there for all of us but he
also flew enough stuff to know he had to demand handling characteristics
for the "least common denominator" pilot. If I were you, I'd find out
where my CG REALLY is and quit trying to defeat the physics of flight we
all must deal with. Out of the envelope operation can only lead to
disaster when coupled with other factors such as wind, weather, low
fuel, short runways, engine out, etc. Using a forward trim does not
change the effects of a poor loading scenario. In fact it does not
change the slope of the plot of the longitudinal stability (dcm/cg) line
either, it just makes the controls feel better.
> My guess is you'll discover you are operating your airplane outside
the planned envelope and probably you need something more capable. Go
see John Harmon -- he has this thing called a Rocket. JBB
>
> ps -- a big ps here: I can imagine there maybe might be one or two
cases out there where some error in building might bias the CG or wing
location which would adversely affect the normal passenger load handling
characteristic, but probably not, it's probably plain and simple weight
and balance.
>
> PGLong(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Help.......I have an RV-4 and am experiencing landing problems with a
rear seater present. I installed a Landoll Harmonic Balancer and
according to weight and balance, should be able to tote a 225 pounder
and stay within CG limits with correct fuel loads. Even with a 120-150
pound person in the rear seat, the elevator controls are so light it's
almost like moving nothing. Not sure if I'm over controlling, but it is
so easy to get a hip hop dance down the runway. Friend said to try and
use a significant amount of down elevator trim to help. Haven't tried
that yet but will next flight. What works for others? Just stick with
wheel landings? Lots of friends that would like a ride, but hate to
threaten them while I learn new techniques.
>>
>> Pat Long
>> PGLong(at)aol.com
>> N120PL
>> RV4
>> Bay City, Michigan
>> 3CM
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| From: | Oldsfolks(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: > Re: Landing a loaded RV-4 |
I have landed our first RV-4 with a 240 pound pass. and had to use
FORWARD pressure on the stick on short final to keep the tail up !! I haven't
done THT again but the RV-4 has a lot of control authority.
You are talking mostly about flying techniques. The trim should be used to
set your airspeed for the pattern when you are downwind and slowed to the
proper speed ( I like 60 MPH) then I like to carry about 1000 RPM to control
descent rate ( More if needed).
If you don't slow down to a full stall landing , you will bounce and go
flying some more. Wheel landings are for those who can't fly a proper approach
and can result in a broken prop ,or worse, if you get ham-handed.
Bob Olds
700 hrs in our first RV-4 and 63 in the second ( From our 1100 foot grass
strip ).
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| From: | Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net> |
| Subject: | Returning to the list! |
Hi guys,
I just joined up again. It's been several years, but I think I'm
getting back to my RV-4 project :) Found a good deal on an unbuilt wing
kit and my wife says I HAVE to build now rather than just collect
sub-kits ;) Oshkosh was a great motivator to get back at it...
Located in Bloomer, WI
--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FW: Builders[sec=UNCLASSIFIED] |
| From: | "Pratt, John WO2 1" <John.Pratt1(at)defence.gov.au> |
> ______________________________________________
> From: Pratt, John WO2 1
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:08
> To: 'rv4-list(at)matronics.com'
> Subject: Builders
>
> Am just chasing up some email addresses of any RV-4 builders in
> Australia.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Jig[sec=UNCLASSIFIED] |
| From: | "Pratt, John WO2 1" <John.Pratt1(at)defence.gov.au> |
Am still chasing up an RV-4 fuselage jig or plans for one, living in
Toowoomba in QLD, Australia, willing to drive to wherever to buy and
trailer home,
John Pratt
Tel 0403248528
Email:- john.pratt1(at)defence.gov.au
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> |
| Subject: | LSE Direct crank vs. Hall effect |
After nearly 1400 hrs.and 4 mag failures (Slick), I am considering an
LSE unit to replace the right mag. I realize that the direct crank
sensor is less expensive and that the Hall effect sensor that mounts in
the old mag position is simpler to install. Ignoring the cost difference
and initial installation difference, is there any other reason to pick
one over the other? I am looking for comments on reliability of one
sensor vs. the other and any other pertinent information.
Thanks,
Ivan Haecker -4 1381 hrs. S. Cen. TX
ps 3 failed coils and 1 failed condensor. And yes I used blast tubes
(after the 1st failure!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: LSE Direct crank vs. Hall effect |
1500 hours on my Electroair ignition...give them a call.
www.electroair.net
Rob Ray
"H.Ivan Haecker" wrote: After nearly 1400 hrs.and 4 mag
failures (Slick), I am considering an LSE unit to replace the right mag.
I realize that the direct crank sensor is less expensive and that the Hall effect
sensor that mounts in the old mag position is simpler to install. Ignoring
the cost difference and initial installation difference, is there any other
reason to pick one over the other? I am looking for comments on reliability
of one sensor vs. the other and any other pertinent information.
Thanks,
Ivan Haecker -4 1381 hrs. S. Cen. TX
ps 3 failed coils and 1 failed condensor. And yes I used blast tubes (after
the 1st failure!)
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums! |
Dear Listers,
Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the
BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums,
you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If
you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested
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Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net> |
| Subject: | Lightening holes in ribs |
Bought an OLD wing kit for my RV-4 recently. The lightening holes need
to be cut out on the ribs. Does anybody have a pet method for
accurately finding the center of the cutout...I will be using a fly
cutter to do the cutting job.
--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Philippjw54(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lightening holes in ribs |
Just make sure when using the fly cutter that the cutting edge of the fly
cutter is right on the edge of the circle being cut out. There's no exact
science to finding the middle of the circle. By trial and error and with a little
patience finding the center of each circle is not really difficult. Put the
fly cutter in your drill press and then start by checking at each 90 degree
location. If it looks good and your satisfied then go ahead and make your cut.
You just need to be brave and go for it. You don't need to be perfect but try
for just a little under the maximum hole diameter. Remember, you have a lot
of holes to cut and I would start by cutting all the large holes first and
work your way through all the ribs. Then go to the next size smaller hole and
continue until all those holes are done and then go to the smallest holes and
cut them. It will take a couple of nights to complete all the lighting holes
but eventually you will finish. Then you have to use a scotch brite pad and
polish all the cut edges until there are no rough spots. They should be smooth
as a babys bottom. Then prime as soon as you can using your favorite primer.
Good luck.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Julien <julic(at)videotron.ca> |
| Subject: | Fuel nose tank 10 gal. |
For sale,
RV4 nose tank 10 gal, 5052 aluminium, pick up fuel reinforcing, stainless straps
support and angles in the box.
Four way selector ( right -center- left and off at rear )
Never use, solid and fit well.
Thank Julien
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fuel nose tank 10 gal.[sec=UNCLASSIFIED] |
| From: | "Pratt, John WO2 1" <John.Pratt1(at)defence.gov.au> |
Have you got any pictures of the tank?
________________________________
From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Julien
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 23:18
Subject: RV4-List: Fuel nose tank 10 gal.
For sale,
RV4 nose tank 10 gal, 5052 aluminium, pick up fuel reinforcing,
stainless straps support and angles in the box.
Four way selector ( right -center- left and off at rear )
Never use, solid and fit well.
Thank Julien
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Julien <julic(at)videotron.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel nose tank 10 gal.[sec=UNCLASSIFIED] |
yes sir, go to www.barnstormers.com section rv4
thank Julien
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net> |
I went "shopping" at Sears yesterday to look at spray guns to use for
priming parts (did not buy one, but bought their 24" digital level with
laser -- on sale for $44!!). They had 2 regular guns and one HVLP gun.
My question: does this HVLP gun get used with my regular air compressor
or would I need to buy a special air supply system? I didn't see
anything at Sears that looked like anything other than standard air
compressors. If the HVLP cannot be used with my regular compressor, I
will get a regular gun. Is there anything special I should look for?
What other stuff will I need? I do have a small water separator on the
output of my compressor and no inline oilers of any kind. Never painted
with anything but a spray bomb from Wal Mart ;)
--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene Smith" <esmith6(at)satx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | RV4 Flap/Speed Brake |
Hey gang.............Educate me, and discuss this situation I would like
to do to my RV-4...I would like to fly a normal Fighter Pilot traffic
pattern, but my fixed pitch prop still provides some thrust even at
idle, so I have to be almost out of sight on final to ever get it to
slow down...To install a speed brake somewhere is too much for me, (and
where?) sooooooo how about this: Modify my flap system to allow the
flaps to go down to 90 degrees so I can get the proper airspeed on final
and still be able to see the airpatch...LET ME HEAR FROM YOU...Be kind!
CHEERS,
Gene Smith
RV-4 flying 13 years
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lee Logan" <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 Flap/Speed Brake |
Gene: Fly your normal "fighter" pattern: High, tight, and coming down
steeply all the way *by slipping it in*. Is easily controlled and looks way
cool too. Watch Patty Wagstaff or any of the other Extra/CAP/Edge etc.
pilots landing and you'll know just what I mean (they do some
*serious*slipping). You can slip an RV-4 big time and it will come
down quickly and
under complete control. I turn off the 180 just past my intended touchdown
point and slip it all the way to the ground, commonly from 700' - 800' AGL
but close aboard, beginning if necessary, right off the 180. I figure if I
ever lose the engine, I just ease off the top rudder, level the wings a bit
and enjoy (hopefully) enough leftover energy to readily make the runway
engine out... If I lose it high enough (you might want to experiment on
this with a good engine), I plan to raise the flaps slowly giving up
altitude at first but ultimately extending my glide ratio. If too low to
take the initial flaps up altitude loss, just fly on with what you have,
slow it to right above stall to lower your total energy package and then no
matter what, fly it all the way to the ground.
That's my plan, anyway...Hey! At least I have one!!
Ciao!
Shiloh...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV4 Flap/Speed Brake |
Gene,
Wouldn't change a thing except for me--changing my manual lever for the
electric kit---would be an improvement. I HATE that damned manual flap
lever. A speed brake or 90 degrees of flap seems excessive. I would
think that swapping to a constant speed set up would be the preferable
solution. Slowing the RV4 down is certainly a trick. I start well
before the "standard" a-beam the numbers approach and pull the throttle
back to about 1100 rpm (0-360, fixed pitch), dump all the flaps at once
at 100 mph and hit a somewhat shorter turn to base then final. I use a
touch of throttle to adjust descent rate and I am usually successful in
crossing the fence between 65 and 70 without having to fly a long and
risky final. It took me a while to get it right. My goal is a constant
speed set up sometime in the future.
D. Steven Schlieper
8 Homeplace
Topsham, Maine 04086
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Smith
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:51 PM
Subject: RV4-List: RV4 Flap/Speed Brake
Hey gang.............Educate me, and discuss this situation I would
like to do to my RV-4...I would like to fly a normal Fighter Pilot
traffic pattern, but my fixed pitch prop still provides some thrust even
at idle, so I have to be almost out of sight on final to ever get it to
slow down...To install a speed brake somewhere is too much for me, (and
where?) sooooooo how about this: Modify my flap system to allow the
flaps to go down to 90 degrees so I can get the proper airspeed on final
and still be able to see the airpatch...LET ME HEAR FROM YOU...Be kind!
CHEERS,
Gene Smith
RV-4 flying 13 years
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RV4 Flap/Speed Brake |
Hi Gene
Just a thought. I had lots of trouble slowing my RV-4 down also. Found I had
the idle speed too high. Got it idled down real slow and that helps
immensely to get things slowed down and uses much less runway to get stopped.
Pat Long
PGLong(at)aol.com
N120PL
RV4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
Do Not Archive
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 Flap/Speed Brake |
Gene,
I actually like the manual flap lever better.I modified mine to fit better next
to my leg. I have flown my RV4 for 1500 hours and never burned up a flap motor...:)
STOL ops are way improved with "instant" flaps. You can deploy them
during the takeoff roll for a hop into ground effect on a very soft field, and
retract them instantly on landing to get better brake effectiveness. I also like
to extend them during slow speed dogfighting.
Much better turn circle below 100 knots...:) Your mileage may vary...
Rob Ray
Steve Schlieper <splitess@suscom-maine.net> wrote:
Gene,
Wouldn't change a thing except for me--changing my manual lever for the electric
kit---would be an improvement. I HATE that damned manual flap lever. A speed
brake or 90 degrees of flap seems excessive. I would think that swapping to
a constant speed set up would be the preferable solution. Slowing the RV4 down
is certainly a trick. I start well before the "standard" a-beam the numbers
approach and pull the throttle back to about 1100 rpm (0-360, fixed pitch), dump
all the flaps at once at 100 mph and hit a somewhat shorter turn to base then
final. I use a touch of throttle to adjust descent rate and I am usually successful
in crossing the fence between 65 and 70 without having to fly a long
and risky final. It took me a while to get it right. My goal is a constant speed
set up sometime in the future.
D. Steven Schlieper
8 Homeplace
Topsham, Maine 04086
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Smith
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:51 PM
Subject: RV4-List: RV4 Flap/Speed Brake
Hey gang.............Educate me, and discuss this situation I would like to do
to my RV-4...I would like to fly a normal Fighter Pilot traffic pattern, but
my fixed pitch prop still provides some thrust even at idle, so I have to be
almost out of sight on final to ever get it to slow down...To install a speed
brake somewhere is too much for me, (and where?) sooooooo how about this: Modify
my flap system to allow the flaps to go down to 90 degrees so I can get the
proper airspeed on final and still be able to see the airpatch...LET ME HEAR
FROM YOU...Be kind!
CHEERS,
Gene Smith
RV-4 flying 13 years
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| Subject: | November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
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new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support
of the List members.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List
and Forums:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying ================
Flying and building is much safer with this List!!
Robert D.
Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to
all of us builders and flyers.
Wayne E.
Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising!
Peter J.
..a great resource!!
Robert C.
Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right
up to date with what's going on.
Chris D.
The web forum has been running great.
James O.
I enjoy this [List] site very much...
Paul C.
This is a great list!
Albert G.
..a valuable resource!
Roger C.
I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able
to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions
helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind!
Gregory C.
..fantastic service!
Roger M.
..clearly a work of passion!
Mike C.
It is a great service to us!
Kevin C.
The list is a wonderful resource...
Ralph O.
[The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in
building my RV-9A and now my RV-10.
Albert G.
..a valuable and always improving service.
Dick S.
STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!!
Owen B.
..such a valuable tool.
Jon M.
[The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me
as a Zenith homebuilder.
David G.
The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other
interesting builders and to make some new friends is
truly appreciated.
Albert G.
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| Subject: | GRETZ ELECTRIC TRIM MOD |
I am in the process of trying to install the conversion kit for an electric
trim system. All I have is some written instructions and an installation
picture for an RV-6. If anyone who has used this mod on an RV-4 I would
appreciate any pictures of your installation. It seems to me that the cable
supplied in the Gretz kit is too long to be installed in the -4.
Regards,
Wally Hunt
Rockford, IL
RV-4 Finishing Kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
Dear Listers,
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! Implemented for the first
time last year, the Matronics system selectively sends out the Contribution
messages to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't
you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
I wanted to implement something like this for a number of years, but it was
always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that
I just kept putting it off. Finally last year, I just decided to bite the bullet
and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam!
A working system!
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to
pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
up. I run ALL of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Please note the following regarding the selective posting system. There are certain
circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message.
These situations include if someone replies to one of the messages, or when
using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
Since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way
to filter them.]
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| From: | "S Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21(at)london.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: GRETZ ELECTRIC TRIM MOD |
Wally - I am not sure what you are looking for because Gretz in the
context of the trim makes no sense to me. But in case it is useful, here
is a picture of the standard electric trim unit I have installled on my
-4.
http://gikonemp.blogspot.com/2006/08/ray-allen-trim-servo.html#links
Best wishes, Steve.
----- Original Message -----
From: RV4WGH(at)aol.com
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:10 AM
Subject: RV4-List: GRETZ ELECTRIC TRIM MOD
I am in the process of trying to install the conversion kit for an
electric trim system. All I have is some written instructions and an
installation picture for an RV-6. If anyone who has used this mod on an
RV-4 I would appreciate any pictures of your installation. It seems to
me that the cable supplied in the Gretz kit is too long to be installed
in the -4.
Regards,
Wally Hunt
Rockford, IL
RV-4 Finishing Kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam... |
Dear Listers,
Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were
pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate
messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good
news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists
thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter.
The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday
and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit
sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog
cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering.
A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great
and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back
to "normal".
There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send
out a follow up post mortem on the event...
November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me
to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that
garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Sensenich Prop and finished, painted Van's RV spinner for sale |
I recently replaced my Sensenich 72FM8S9-1-84 on my RV-8A with a Hartzell
prop. I'm selling the Sensenich prop, prop spacer, prop bolts, spinner and
spinner SS hardware as a package.
Here are the details:
Sensenich 72FM8S9-1-84 Prop. 350 hours total on my RV-8A (O-360 A1A). I
bought it new from Van's. It is in perfect condition, never hit, never
anything,
The package includes everything to bolt on the prop and spinner. The
spinner was painted when I did the plane, 'Midnight Pearl Blue" using PPG
base cost/clear coat. If you don't like the color, repaint is easy as all
the pin hole work is done. The spinner hardware consists of #8 SS flat head
screws and #6 SS tinnermans drilled out and re-dimpled to #8 screw. I found
using the smaller tinnermans allow for much cleaner, flush fit along the
contour of the spinner.
Package price: $1400
Carl Froehlich
540 371-8482
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| Subject: | Re: GRETZ ELECTRONIC TRIM MOD |
Hi Steve,
The Gretz electronic trim mod uses the Ray Allen servo but has a push-pull
cable so the servo is mounted under the vertical stab. I don't think he is
selling these anymore. He does still sell his heated pitot system however.
BTW, saw your new paint job on VAF web site. It will be AWESOME!
HAPPY FLYING SAFELY,
Wally
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russell Lassetter" <rblassett(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Construction/Restoration |
Hello all,
I would like to offer my aircraft construction/restoration services to the
group. I have a 40' X 60' hangar in NE Georgia and have a lifetime of
experience with various aircraft. I can construct large projects for $15.00
per hour with first-class workmanship. Please email me directly or give me
a call.
Russ Lassetter
202 Aviation Blvd.
Cleveland, GA 30528
706-348-7514
rblassett(at)alltel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from
the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the
non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once
a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped
off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that
allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can
be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a number of
file formats including pictures and PDFs.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files (http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share ( http://wiki.matronics.com ).
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year, accounting
for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting
a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving
a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a
while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their
Contributions in support of the Lists this year. Please make your Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services.
Remember, there is _no advertising budget_ to keep these Lists funded. It is
solely through your generosity that they continue.
Please make a Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
------------------------------What Listers Are Saying------------------------------
The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701.
George R
Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us
to gather and share knowledge.
Neal G
What a fantastic resource!
Ralph C
It's a pretty cheep troubleshooting tool with and unlimited
resource of personal knowledge.
Bruce G
A full house of Info & Ideas...
Ellery B
I really enjoy the Piet list.
Steven D
The Lists are an indispensable resource for those of us
building OBAM aircraft.
Bret S
..a great service.
Frank D
..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific
questions.
Richard S
Your list has really helped me in my first build.
Michael W
Always a pleasure to support this great resource...
Richard W
I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial.
Bob L
Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers.
Ellery B
Your lists are a great service to builders and owners!
Richard D
A real good place for someone that is starting to get
interested into flying without investing any money at
first.
Ellery B
The list has been an great help to my building process.
David B
I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and
the Zenith List.
Jeff D
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published Dec |
1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all?
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during that time, along with some embedded system
development as well.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a quad-processor Xeon Linux server for
List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the email processing
List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage
disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based
backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage! This entire system is protected
by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that
assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking
of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One
month last Summer, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. Last year I added another rack to
house the MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the first
rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It is
supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
There are some great gifts available with qualifying Contribution levels too!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow! A Ton of Comments! |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their List Support
Contributions lately! I've shared a bunch more below. Please read over
some of them and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
There are just a couple more days left before the official end of this year's Fund
Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
and operation of these services.
There are still lots of awesome gifts available, so browse the extensive selection
and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
In the big picture, you are most certainly saving lives.
The fact that you do it at a very good level of service,
quality, and simplicity is just icing on the cake. We
all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Bruce M
Can't go a single day without reading my lists. Even
when I am overseas.
Terry W
Best list ever. No comparison.
Johann J
I get the digest for the two lists I subscribe to each
morning -- they go great with my coffee! I can't tell
you how much I've learned from this great service...
Mark S
..great lists, best on the Net!
Robert S
It is very nice to enjoy a SPAM free list.
Ken L
You run a great list. Makes a builder feel like there's
lots of help out there for the asking, and it's
appreciated.
Steve T
The list is a very valuable resource.
Thomas S
You run a good list.
James G
Thanks for a great forum.
Jimmy Y
Thanks for a well-maintained list(s).
Michael M
Great job! Worth every penny!
Stephen T
Helps me learn and think about issues I didn't know I
didn't know.
Martin H
I find the list very useful...
Robert F
What you do provides me with daily contact with a passion
of my life, aviation.
Wendell M
..the list it is very valuable information.
Dwayne H
..a great service to homebuilders.
Andrew H
I have learned quite a lot from reading the Forums. I
have been reading at the forum pages and I like the way
it works.
Ron L
[The List] makes a builder feel like there's lots of
help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated.
Steve T
The list service many purposes, not the least of which is
motivation to join my fellow RVer in completing my project
and getting in the air.
John S
Thanks for running a great site. Its simplicity is its
greatness. Don't know how I would have been successful
without it.
Timothy F
..terrific service to experimental and general aviation.
James F
You have a well run operation. I am happy to support what
you do.
Mark S
A wonderful service to the GA community.
David M
Great list - let's keep it ad-free!
Ben C
They have been of great help, learning and friendship
for all the members Worldwide. Great job of yours, a
little idea that grew really big and wonderful.
Gary G
..a thoroughly enjoyable and informative List.
John W
A GREAT LEARNING TOOL!!
Dwayne Y
This is a very well-run list and it is a valuable resource
for the Pietenpol enthusiast.
Graham H
Thanks for running this great site - helps those of
us on the east of the pond keep in touch.
Malcolm H
Thanks for the major contribution to my continuing
education program.
Oldbob S
I'm just getting started in the building process & find
Matronics to be the most valuable site.
Scott D
Without the information and encouragement from the listers
my project would have been sitting in the corner of my shop
collecting dust long ago. Now it's almost ready for final
assemble and covering.
Edward G
Great List. No Ads, just RV-10 builders. Keep it
going.
Rick E
Wonderful source of info for building & flying...
Graham H
The Yak-list is a superb single source to get answers to
questions on the operation of these aircraft.
Craig W
This list is valuable to everyone and your hard work is
very much appreciated.
Jim S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all,
participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some
reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last
minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-)
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for
one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that
last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser!
If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available
this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it off, then
now is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists! Rather than the guy that,
er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-)
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone will feel the same.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
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| Subject: | GRETZ AERO ELECTRIC TRIM MOD FOR RV-4 |
I purchased Gretz Aero's electric trim modification for my RV-4. I am
finally getting around to installing it and I am having difficulty trying to
install the 24 inch "push-pull" cable. It seem to me that a 20 inch cable would
be about the longest I could install.
Have any of you RV-4 builders used Warren's kit?
If so, any pictures or plans? All I have seen is the installation in an
RV-6.
I have tried without success to contact Gretz Aero by phone and email as
listed on the web site.
Any comments would certainly be welcomed!
Happy Flying Safely,
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Rockford, IL
RV-4 Finishing Kit
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| From: | "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> |
Does anyone have any info on how modify the original Van's roll bar on
an rv-4 to the style that has a rounded top. I have seen these on a few
-4's and HRII's over the years and wish to make one for an F-1 rocket
with a tip over canopy. Perhaps someone knows of a supplier?
Thanks.
Ivan Haecker -4 1437 hrs. S. Cen. Tx
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tony & Marilyn Spicer" <sonex32(at)earthlink.net> |
Ivan,
I made one from scratch using a U tube and two straight pieces of
tubing. Draw what you want full size and it will be easy to cut the U
tube in the right place. You'll have to Google the U tube, as I no
longer have the URL.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tonyboytoo/RV3BFuselage/photo#513684489498592
9762
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: H.Ivan Haecker
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:25 AM
Subject: RV4-List: Roll Bar
Does anyone have any info on how modify the original Van's roll bar on
an rv-4 to the style that has a rounded top. I have seen these on a few
-4's and HRII's over the years and wish to make one for an F-1 rocket
with a tip over canopy. Perhaps someone knows of a supplier?
Thanks.
Ivan Haecker -4 1437 hrs. S. Cen. Tx
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tony & Marilyn Spicer" <sonex32(at)earthlink.net> |
Ivan,
Here's the link for the U tube: http://www.magnumforce.com/ubend.asp
And here's another stab at the roll bar photos:
http://picasaweb.google.com/tonyboytoo/RV3BFuselage
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony & Marilyn Spicer
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Roll Bar
Ivan,
I made one from scratch using a U tube and two straight pieces of
tubing. Draw what you want full size and it will be easy to cut the U
tube in the right place. You'll have to Google the U tube, as I no
longer have the URL.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tonyboytoo/RV3BFuselage/photo#513684489498592
9762
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: H.Ivan Haecker
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:25 AM
Subject: RV4-List: Roll Bar
Does anyone have any info on how modify the original Van's roll bar
on an rv-4 to the style that has a rounded top. I have seen these on a
few -4's and HRII's over the years and wish to make one for an F-1
rocket with a tip over canopy. Perhaps someone knows of a supplier?
Thanks.
Ivan Haecker -4 1437 hrs. S. Cen. Tx
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV4-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV4-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> |
Thanks to both of you for your responses. One other question: When
attaching the curved top piece to the two straight side bars, is a short
piece of tubing inserted before joining the pieces to strengthen what
would otherwise be a weaker butt joint?
Ivan Haecker -4 1439 hrs. So. Cen. Tx
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony & Marilyn Spicer
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Roll Bar
Ivan,
I made one from scratch using a U tube and two straight pieces of
tubing. Draw what you want full size and it will be easy to cut the U
tube in the right place. You'll have to Google the U tube, as I no
longer have the URL.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tonyboytoo/RV3BFuselage/photo#513684489498592
9762
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: H.Ivan Haecker
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:25 AM
Subject: RV4-List: Roll Bar
Does anyone have any info on how modify the original Van's roll bar
on an rv-4 to the style that has a rounded top. I have seen these on a
few -4's and HRII's over the years and wish to make one for an F-1
rocket with a tip over canopy. Perhaps someone knows of a supplier?
Thanks.
Ivan Haecker -4 1437 hrs. S. Cen. Tx
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV4-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV4-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tony & Marilyn Spicer" <sonex32(at)earthlink.net> |
Ivan,
With a proper weld I don't think the joint will be any weaker than the
base metal. On mine, the U bend is mild steel and the straight legs and
braces are 4130. After all the pieces fit properly, I safety wired the
assembly to a plywood board for tack welding.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: H.Ivan Haecker
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Roll Bar
Thanks to both of you for your responses. One other question: When
attaching the curved top piece to the two straight side bars, is a short
piece of tubing inserted before joining the pieces to strengthen what
would otherwise be a weaker butt joint?
Ivan Haecker -4 1439 hrs. So. Cen. Tx
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony & Marilyn Spicer
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Roll Bar
Ivan,
I made one from scratch using a U tube and two straight pieces of
tubing. Draw what you want full size and it will be easy to cut the U
tube in the right place. You'll have to Google the U tube, as I no
longer have the URL.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tonyboytoo/RV3BFuselage/photo#513684489498592
9762
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: H.Ivan Haecker
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:25 AM
Subject: RV4-List: Roll Bar
Does anyone have any info on how modify the original Van's roll
bar on an rv-4 to the style that has a rounded top. I have seen these on
a few -4's and HRII's over the years and wish to make one for an F-1
rocket with a tip over canopy. Perhaps someone knows of a supplier?
Thanks.
Ivan Haecker -4 1437 hrs. S. Cen. Tx
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV4-List">http://www.matronhre
f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV4-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV4-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup! |
Dear Listers,
I've added two new Email Lists to the Matronics List and Forum lineup today. These
include the Rans-List and RV12-List. Please surf over to the Matronics List
Subscription page and sign up for these new Lists if they are of interest
to you:
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Full support on the Forums, List Browse, Archives, etc. is available.
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RV12-List
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV12-List
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
Dear Listers,
I have added four new Lists to the Matronics line up today. These include the
following categories:
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Zenith601-List Zenair Zodiac CH 601
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All services are enabled and now available including Search, Browse, Digest, Archives,
Forums, Chat, etc., etc. etc...:
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Zenith601:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith601-list
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Enjoy the new Lists!! Don't forget me during the Fund Raiser! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
Hello RV Listers!
Well, after quite a hiatus, I'm back on my RV-4 project. This year marks the 20th
year since its beginning, and I'm thinking that that its time finally see
it to completion!
The options have changed quite a bit since I started the project, and the latest
iteration has a 180HP and a Hartzell CS prop. I had already mounted the battery
in the normal spot up by the firewall between the pilot's legs. With all
the extra weight up front, I'm sure I'll have to relocate the battery behind
the cabin somewhere. Of note, however, is that I have electric trim installed
in the Elevator, and the full-swivel tailwheel fork, both of which add some weight
to the far aft location.
I would appreciate some feedback on selecting an exacting location for the battery
given my situation. Also, what gauge battery cables to use given the remote
location.
Its great to be back on the project; I'm looking forward to getting back into the
discussions on the List!
Thanks for the help!
Matt Dralle
RV-4 #1762 - N442RV (res)
Matronics List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Gunn" <WGUNN(at)dot.state.tx.us> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
Matt - I replace an 0-320 & F/P wooden prop with an 0-360 & Hartzell C/S. On advise
of Van's, I left the battery where it was & find the CG is fine - mine is
67.16 aft of datum @ 1030 Lbs. empty. Originally it was 70.03 @ 916 Lbs. with
the 0-320 & F/P prop. N252MD, 2160 hours.
Bill Gunn, TxDOT Aviation Division
>>> Matt Dralle 4/28/2008 1:41 PM >>>
Hello RV Listers!
Well, after quite a hiatus, I'm back on my RV-4 project. This year marks the 20th
year since its beginning, and I'm thinking that that its time finally see
it to completion!
The options have changed quite a bit since I started the project, and the latest
iteration has a 180HP and a Hartzell CS prop. I had already mounted the battery
in the normal spot up by the firewall between the pilot's legs. With all
the extra weight up front, I'm sure I'll have to relocate the battery behind
the cabin somewhere. Of note, however, is that I have electric trim installed
in the Elevator, and the full-swivel tailwheel fork, both of which add some weight
to the far aft location.
I would appreciate some feedback on selecting an exacting location for the battery
given my situation. Also, what gauge battery cables to use given the remote
location.
Its great to be back on the project; I'm looking forward to getting back into the
discussions on the List!
Thanks for the help!
Matt Dralle
RV-4 #1762 - N442RV (res)
Matronics List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
Well, that's good new, Bill. I was kind of bummed 'cause I had all the holes drilled
and dimpled already for the front location.
So what can you say about the performance of the 320/FP vs. 360/CS on the exact
same RV-4? That's definitely an "all things being equal" example. I'm very
curious to hear if all the extra who-ha is worth it (oh, and the extra $20k...)
Matt
At 12:42 PM 4/28/2008 Monday, you wrote:
>
>Matt - I replace an 0-320 & F/P wooden prop with an 0-360 & Hartzell C/S. On advise
of Van's, I left the battery where it was & find the CG is fine - mine is
67.16 aft of datum @ 1030 Lbs. empty. Originally it was 70.03 @ 916 Lbs. with
the 0-320 & F/P prop. N252MD, 2160 hours.
>
>Bill Gunn, TxDOT Aviation Division
>
>
>The options have changed quite a bit since I started the project, and the latest
iteration has a 180HP and a Hartzell CS prop. I had already mounted the battery
in the normal spot up by the firewall between the pilot's legs. With all
the extra weight up front, I'm sure I'll have to relocate the battery behind
the cabin somewhere. Of note, however, is that I have electric trim installed
in the Elevator, and the full-swivel tailwheel fork, both of which add some
weight to the far aft location.
>
>I would appreciate some feedback on selecting an exacting location for the battery
given my situation. Also, what gauge battery cables to use given the remote
location.
>
>Its great to be back on the project; I'm looking forward to getting back into
the discussions on the List!
>
>Thanks for the help!
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-4 #1762 - N442RV (res)
>Matronics List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Gunn" <WGUNN(at)dot.state.tx.us> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
It is to me - and that is the most definitive statement I can make. I fly
the #2 slot with Falcon Flight & needed the power and control. I find the
fuel burn slightly lower at 65% or less at 9000 to 13000 density altitude
- about 7.5 to 8.4 GPH - electronic (Electoair) ignition really helps
here; I have had it on for 1500 hours. Attached is my home made (but
reasonably accurate) performance chart. The "Pwr@ 2300 RPM" is the MP + 23
= the value shown. Climb is enhanced & the C/S prop really is an
excellent speed brake when you need it.
Bill Gunn, TxDOT Aviation Division
>>> Matt Dralle 4/28/2008 2:53 PM >>>
Well, that's good new, Bill. I was kind of bummed 'cause I had all the
holes drilled and dimpled already for the front location.
So what can you say about the performance of the 320/FP vs. 360/CS on the
exact same RV-4? That's definitely an "all things being equal" example.
I'm very curious to hear if all the extra who-ha is worth it (oh, and the
extra $20k...)
Matt
At 12:42 PM 4/28/2008 Monday, you wrote:
>
>Matt - I replace an 0-320 & F/P wooden prop with an 0-360 & Hartzell C/S.
On advise of Van's, I left the battery where it was & find the CG is fine
- mine is 67.16 aft of datum @ 1030 Lbs. empty. Originally it was 70.03 @
916 Lbs. with the 0-320 & F/P prop. N252MD, 2160 hours.
>
>Bill Gunn, TxDOT Aviation Division
>
>
>The options have changed quite a bit since I started the project, and the
latest iteration has a 180HP and a Hartzell CS prop. I had already
mounted the battery in the normal spot up by the firewall between the
pilot's legs. With all the extra weight up front, I'm sure I'll have to
relocate the battery behind the cabin somewhere. Of note, however, is
that I have electric trim installed in the Elevator, and the full-swivel
tailwheel fork, both of which add some weight to the far aft location.
>
>I would appreciate some feedback on selecting an exacting location for
the battery given my situation. Also, what gauge battery cables to use
given the remote location.
>
>Its great to be back on the project; I'm looking forward to getting back
into the discussions on the List!
>
>Thanks for the help!
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-4 #1762 - N442RV (res)
>Matronics List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
My -4 has a stock 0-360 with a fixed (max cruise pitch) and a large auto
battery up front. It flies fine solo with full tanks but is still real easy to
load to max aft CG unless careful. There was a time when I thought a 200hp
would be nice but over the years of cleaning things up, tuning, and adjusting
rigging etc it pushes the envelope already. Sometimes indicate 220mph S&L on
low density altitude days. Still climbs at 3000fpm+ solo and sometimes see 4000
on half tanks. BTW, I bought the plane used about 12 years ago with the
0-360 and wood prop. It was a pig back then and was lucky to see 185mph.
Jim
**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
listings at AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JAMES HITTERMAN <teal35(at)prodigy.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
What type of prop are you using, and do you know the pitch? I have a 4 with
a 180 as well and am do a prop swap.
Jim H
----- Original Message ----
From: "JFLEISC(at)aol.com" <JFLEISC(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:26:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel
My -4 has a stock 0-360 with a fixed (max cruise pitch) and a large
auto battery up front. It flies fine solo with full tanks but is still real easy
to load to max aft CG unless careful. There was a time when I thought a 200hp
would be nice but over the years of cleaning things up, tuning, and
adjusting rigging etc it pushes the envelope already. Sometimes indicate 220mph
S&L on low density altitude days. Still climbs at 3000fpm+ solo and
sometimes see 4000 on half tanks. BTW, I bought the plane used about 12 years
ago with the 0-360 and wood prop. It was a pig back then and was lucky to see
185mph.
Jim
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
It is a Sensenich fixed metal (no RPM limitations). The final thing (internal engine
component balancing) had the engine over reving the factory recommended
limits so I had it repitched. I would have to look it up but I know it is 1" less
than maximum allowable (they will know). If I had to do it again I would go
to the max. When it comes time to replace the cylinders I will probably go with
flow matched which could conceivably move the RPM up again. Climb RPM went
down to 2300 max but the climb rate hasn't seemed to change. Launch is slower
but unless you operate from 1000' strips it shouldn't be a factor.
Jim
What type of prop are you using,?? and do you know the pitch?????? I have a 4 with
a 180 as well and am do a prop swap.??
Jim H
-----Original Message-----
From: JAMES HITTERMAN <teal35(at)prodigy.net>
Sent: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel
What type of prop are you using,?? and do you know the pitch?????? I have a 4 with
a 180 as well and am do a prop swap.??
Jim H
----- Original Message ----
From: "JFLEISC(at)aol.com" <JFLEISC(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:26:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel
My -4?has a stock 0-360 with a fixed (max cruise pitch) and a large auto battery
up front. It flies fine solo with full tanks but is still real easy to load
to max aft CG unless careful. There was a time when I thought a 200hp would be
nice but over the years of cleaning things up, tuning,?and adjusting rigging
etc it pushes the envelope already. Sometimes indicate 220mph S&L on low density
altitude days. Still climbs at 3000fpm+ solo and sometimes see 4000 on half
tanks. BTW, I bought the plane used about 12 years ago with the 0-360 and wood
prop. It was a pig back then and was lucky to see 185mph.
?
Jim
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
Moving my Odessey PC680 to the firewall was a home run on my 170HP 0-320/MT Fixed
Pitch RV4. Moved the CG fwd and left room in the center console for a glove
box. Also started much better. Having flown many RV4's (10 in my F16 squadron
alone)with every engine and prop combo, I always recommend pitching the prop
for max RPM at SL full throttle. I tried alot of props over 12 years, Sensy metal,
Warnke, Catto, Hertzler,Sterba, Performance). MT really does their homework
and makes a decent FP prop that is light and strong and matched my engine perfectly.Vetterman
4 pipe exhaust and flowing helps, electronic ignition as well
along with hotter plugs, (Champion REM 37BY) and Auto Denso L-14U (EIgn) are
my favorites...
Rob Ray
1500 hours RV4ormerly
HR2 currently
--- On Tue, 4/29/08, jfleisc(at)aol.com wrote:
> From: jfleisc(at)aol.com <jfleisc(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel
> To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2008, 6:37 AM
> It is a Sensenich fixed metal (no RPM limitations). The
> final thing (internal engine component balancing) had the
> engine over reving the factory recommended limits so I had
> it repitched. I would have to look it up but I know it is
> 1" less than maximum allowable (they will know). If I
> had to do it again I would go to the max. When it comes
> time to replace the cylinders I will probably go with flow
> matched which could conceivably move the RPM up again.
> Climb RPM went down to 2300 max but the climb rate
> hasn't seemed to change. Launch is slower but unless
> you operate from 1000' strips it shouldn't be a
> factor.
>
> Jim
>
> What type of prop are you using,?? and do you know the
> pitch?????? I have a 4 with a 180 as well and am do a prop
> swap.??
> Jim H
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JAMES HITTERMAN <teal35(at)prodigy.net>
> To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 9:05 pm
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Battery Location -
> RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel
>
>
>
>
> What type of prop are you using,?? and do you know the
> pitch?????? I have a 4 with a 180 as well and am do a prop
> swap.??
> Jim H
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "JFLEISC(at)aol.com" <JFLEISC(at)aol.com>
> To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:26:14 PM
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Battery Location -
> RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel
>
>
> My -4?has a stock 0-360 with a fixed (max cruise pitch) and
> a large auto battery up front. It flies fine solo with full
> tanks but is still real easy to load to max aft CG unless
> careful. There was a time when I thought a 200hp would be
> nice but over the years of cleaning things up, tuning,?and
> adjusting rigging etc it pushes the envelope already.
> Sometimes indicate 220mph S&L on low density altitude
> days. Still climbs at 3000fpm+ solo and sometimes see 4000
> on half tanks. BTW, I bought the plane used about 12 years
> ago with the 0-360 and wood prop. It was a pig back then
> and was lucky to see 185mph.
>
> ?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
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> car listings at AOL Autos.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | For Sale - Navaid AP-1 Autopilot - New! |
Fellow Homebuilders,
I have decided to go with a two-axis auto pilot in my RV-4 project
and am selling my single-axis Navid AP-1. This is a brand new unit
with all of accessories, manual, analog Loran/GPS input, and S-2
servo. It has never been installed. No scratches.
Current price from Navaid is $1300 US. I will sell for $1100 plus
shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First
come, first served.
Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are
interested. Below is a picture of the actual unit and included accessories.
Matt Dralle
List Admin / RV-4 Builder
Emacs!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-4 Firewall Modification / Governor Retrofit... |
Hi Listers,
I'm working on the prop governor firewall retrofit on my RV-4 firewall
and its actually is coming out pretty nice. Here are a few pictures of
what's involved if you've not yet had this pleasure...
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout1.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout2.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout3.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout4.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout5.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout6.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout7.jpg
So here's my question: What type of rivets are used for the retrofit?
Considering that I will be using that yucky, gray gunk to seal
everything coupled with the fact that access to both sides of the
rivets will be restricted at best, I'm wondering if some pop rivets
might be in order? I note that the type of rivet isn't called out in
the little instruction sheet that came with the retro kit (a flat sheet
of stainless.) Anyway, what's the consensus on using pop rivets here?
If it seems okay, what type would be best?
As always, thanks to all for the help,
Matt Dralle
RV-4 #1763, N442RV to be...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Vickers" <brianvic(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RV-4 Firewall Modification / Governor Retrofit... |
Nice work Matt. It looks very good. I used regular old AN426ADXX.
The firewall is pretty accessible so driving them by yourself is not
difficult. Stainless seems to be a little more resilient to mis-use of the
rivet gun and bucking bar. See photos attached.
Brian Vickers
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: RV4-List: RV-4 Firewall Modification / Governor Retrofit...
Hi Listers,
I'm working on the prop governor firewall retrofit on my RV-4 firewall
and its actually is coming out pretty nice. Here are a few pictures of
what's involved if you've not yet had this pleasure...
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout1.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout2.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout3.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout4.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout5.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout6.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV4/MiscPictures/GovernorCutout7.jpg
So here's my question: What type of rivets are used for the retrofit?
Considering that I will be using that yucky, gray gunk to seal
everything coupled with the fact that access to both sides of the
rivets will be restricted at best, I'm wondering if some pop rivets
might be in order? I note that the type of rivet isn't called out in
the little instruction sheet that came with the retro kit (a flat sheet
of stainless.) Anyway, what's the consensus on using pop rivets here?
If it seems okay, what type would be best?
As always, thanks to all for the help,
Matt Dralle
RV-4 #1763, N442RV to be...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ceengland(at)bellsouth.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV-4 Firewall Modification / Governor Retrofit... |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | For Sale - RMI uMonitor - NEW - All Probes and Upgrades! |
Dear Listers,
I am selling a new, never used, fully assembled RMI uMonitor with all the probes
for a 4-cylinder engine including Fuel Flow, 4ea EGT, 4ea CGT, Carb Temp, and
Manifold pressure. The uMonitor just had all of the latest hardware and software
updates factory installed including the new high contrast LCD display supporting
Fahrenheit temp readings AND the new LED fiberoptic backlight. Also
included is the Aircraft Extras RM-1B plugin harness extender for the uMonitor
which greatly simplifies the wiring installation.
The uMonitor is in new condition with no scratches and all installation material
and manuals. The pictures below are of the actual unit for sale. The table
below lists all of the items included.
I have nearly $2800 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $2200
plus shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first
served.
Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested.
Matt Dralle
List Admin / RV-4 Builder
1ea - RMI microMONITOR Assembled . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1299.00 $1299.00
1ea - Factory Upgrade of LCD (Fahrenheit Temp Display),
. . . . Fiberoptic LED Backlight, Latest Firmware. . . . . .$ 399.00 $ 399.00
1ea - Manifold Pressure Sensor 10.0 to 59.0 InHg. . . . . . $ 68.00 $ 68.00
2ea - EGT/CHT Multiplex Switch 2 to 6 cylinders . . . . . . $ 60.00 $ 120.00
1ea - Fuel Flow sensor, FloScan 201B-6 - .6 to 60.0 GPH. . .$ 230.00 $ 230.00
1ea - Carb Temp Sensor . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 55.00 $ 55.00
4ea - EGT Thermocouple - tubing clamp type . . . . . . . . .$ 65.00 $ 260.00
4ea - CHT Thermocouple - bayonet type. . . . . . . . . . . .$ 50.00 $ 200.00
1ea - RM-1B Harness Expander, Aircraft Extras. . . . . . . .$ 155.00 $ 155.00
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $2786.00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | For Sale - Skyforce Skymap IIIC - NEW - Latest Database |
Dear Listers,
I am selling my new-in-box Skyforce Skymap IIIC full color GPS moving map with
Topo. The database and firmware were just upgraded 05/2008. Includes a Panel
Mounting bracket, GPS Antenna, cigarette lighter adapter, carrying case, and
all manuals. Brand new, never used. No scratches. The pictures below are of
the actual unit. The LCD color display on the IIIC is extremely nice and very
bright. Gives altitude readout. RS232 output.
I have over $2500 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $2200 plus
shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first
served.
Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested.
Matt Dralle
List Admin / RV-4 Builder
1ea - Skyforce Skymap IIIC w/ GPS and Americas Database. . .$2367.00 . .$2367.00
1ea - Panel Mount. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$98.00 . . .$98.00
1ea - Firmware and Database Update 5/8/2008. . . . . . . . . .$50.00 . . .$50.00
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $2515.00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | For Sale - RMI uEncoder - NEW - Assembled |
Dear Listers,
I am selling a new, never used, fully assembled RMI uEncoder. The uEncoder just
had all of the latest hardware and software updates factory installed including
the new high contrast LCD display supporting Fahrenheit temp readings AND
the new LED fiberoptic backlight. The uEncoder displays airspeed, altitude, fpm,
OAT, and outputs Mode C data for most transponders.
The uEncoder is in new condition with no scratches and all installation material
and manuals. The pictures below are of the actual unit for sale. The table
below lists all of the items included.
I have nearly $1500 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $1100
plus shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first
served.
Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested.
Matt Dralle
List Admin / RV-4 Builder
1ea - RMI microENCODER ASSEMBLED . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1179.00 . $1179.00
1ea - RMI Factory Upgrade of LCD (Fahrenheit Temp, US Miles),
. . . . . . Fiberoptic LED Backlight, Latest Firmware . . . . . $ 315.00 . $ 315.00
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1494.00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Electric Trim Travel...? |
Dear Listers,
Working on my RV-4 electric trim, I don't seem to find anywhere where
the actual UP and DOWN travel amounts for the trim tab are called
out. I built the Mac Trim servo installation more or less per the
plans, and I'm getting about 1" UP and 7/8" DOWN travel measured at
the outboard end of the tab with respect to the trailing edge of the
elevator. I've included a couple of pics for reference.
With an O360 and CS Prop, will this be sufficient trim throw?
Thanks for the help!
Matt Dralle
RV-4 N442RV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Sampson" <ssamps(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric Trim Travel...? |
Matt - I never found instructions on that point either.
It struck me that on the first flight you want to be able to trim for slow
flight, approach, so that requires more than normal up elevator, trim tab
down. So I adjusted mine with a little extra down rather than up. I havnt
flown the -4 yet though, so I have no confirmation that I did the correct
thing.
As to throw, when I built my -9a the movement in the cruise around the
centre was minimal, it caused me to include a gizmo to slow the trim down on
the -4. The only time I saw significant movement from the middle was CofG
forward trimming for approach. (Trim down.)
Cheers, Steve.
2008/5/25 Matt Dralle :
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Working on my RV-4 electric trim, I don't seem to find anywhere where the
> actual UP and DOWN travel amounts for the trim tab are called out. I built
> the Mac Trim servo installation more or less per the plans, and I'm getting
> about 1" UP and 7/8" DOWN travel measured at the outboard end of the tab
> with respect to the trailing edge of the elevator. I've included a couple
> of pics for reference.
>
> With an O360 and CS Prop, will this be sufficient trim throw?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-4 N442RV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Aero-net Reuse... |
Hello Listers,
What is the common opinion on the reuse of those aero-nuts with the
little nylon insert? Seems like once you use one and take it off the
strength of the nylon isn't as good any longer. Is there a
"recommended" number of uses for them?
Thanks,
Matt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero-net Reuse... |
If you can remove it with your fingers, it's time to replace it :)
RR
--- On Wed, 5/28/08, Matt Dralle wrote:
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: RV4-List: Aero-net Reuse...
> To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 11:26 AM
>
>
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> What is the common opinion on the reuse of those aero-nuts
> with the
> little nylon insert? Seems like once you use one and take
> it off the
> strength of the nylon isn't as good any longer. Is
> there a
> "recommended" number of uses for them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Philippjw54(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 05/28/08 |
Where can your photos of your trim tab installation be found? I didn't see
a link in your posting.
In a message dated 5/29/2008 3:00:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv4-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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1. 01:43 AM - Re: Electric Trim Travel...? (Steve Sampson)
2. 09:28 AM - Aero-net Reuse... (Matt Dralle)
3. 11:06 AM - Re: Aero-net Reuse... (Rob Ray)
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From: "Steve Sampson" <ssamps(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Electric Trim Travel...?
Matt - I never found instructions on that point either.
It struck me that on the first flight you want to be able to trim for slow
flight, approach, so that requires more than normal up elevator, trim tab
down. So I adjusted mine with a little extra down rather than up. I havnt
flown the -4 yet though, so I have no confirmation that I did the correct
thing.
As to throw, when I built my -9a the movement in the cruise around the
centre was minimal, it caused me to include a gizmo to slow the trim down on
the -4. The only time I saw significant movement from the middle was CofG
forward trimming for approach. (Trim down.)
Cheers, Steve.
2008/5/25 Matt Dralle :
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Working on my RV-4 electric trim, I don't seem to find anywhere where the
> actual UP and DOWN travel amounts for the trim tab are called out. I built
> the Mac Trim servo installation more or less per the plans, and I'm getting
> about 1" UP and 7/8" DOWN travel measured at the outboard end of the tab
> with respect to the trailing edge of the elevator. I've included a couple
> of pics for reference.
>
> With an O360 and CS Prop, will this be sufficient trim throw?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-4 N442RV
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RV4-List: Aero-net Reuse...
Hello Listers,
What is the common opinion on the reuse of those aero-nuts with the
little nylon insert? Seems like once you use one and take it off the
strength of the nylon isn't as good any longer. Is there a
"recommended" number of uses for them?
Thanks,
Matt
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Aero-net Reuse...
If you can remove it with your fingers, it's time to replace it :)
RR
--- On Wed, 5/28/08, Matt Dralle wrote:
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: RV4-List: Aero-net Reuse...
> To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 11:26 AM
>
>
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> What is the common opinion on the reuse of those aero-nuts
> with the
> little nylon insert? Seems like once you use one and take
> it off the
> strength of the nylon isn't as good any longer. Is
> there a
> "recommended" number of uses for them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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| From: | "Steve Sampson" <s_sampson(at)btinternet.com> |
AOL Email
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sampson
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Trim Travel
Philip, if that was directed at me, my pictures were not so helpful so I
did not include. What I have is here. Scroll down.
http://gikonemp.blogspot.com/ There are several related pictures.
Cheers, Steve.
----- Original Message -----
From: Philippjw54(at)aol.com
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 05/28/08
Where can your photos of your trim tab installation be found? I
didn't see a link in your posting.
In a message dated 5/29/2008 3:00:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv4-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | lower cowl 'snubber' question |
The 'snubber' (best term I can think of) that keeps the cowl from being
pushed up by air pressure has just broken on my -4. This is the 2nd time
it's happened (2 different -4's) so I'm looking for a convenient,
permanent fix. Anyone with photos to share of a reliable solution?
I've got an idea, but don't have any desire to re-invent the wheel.
This is the thing that typically mounts to the bottom of the starter or
alternator & extends down & touches the inside of the bottom cowl.
Thanks,
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: lower cowl 'snubber' question |
Charlie,
I have about 1500 hours on my -4 and have not had a problem in this area.
This weekend I will be able to take a photo for you and post it to the list
if you still want it.
Ivan Haecker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:47 PM
Subject: RV4-List: lower cowl 'snubber' question
>
> The 'snubber' (best term I can think of) that keeps the cowl from being
> pushed up by air pressure has just broken on my -4. This is the 2nd time
> it's happened (2 different -4's) so I'm looking for a convenient,
> permanent fix. Anyone with photos to share of a reliable solution?
>
> I've got an idea, but don't have any desire to re-invent the wheel.
>
> This is the thing that typically mounts to the bottom of the starter or
> alternator & extends down & touches the inside of the bottom cowl.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
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| From: | Dsgiilmer <dsgilmer(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 07/27/08 |
Please remove me from tour distribution list.
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| From: | "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net> |
| Subject: | RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod |
Listers ...
I did not build this rv4 but have a question about the push rod on the left
wing flap.
When the flaps are full down the push rod binds on the fuselage cut-out ....
forward end of the cut-out. This binding seems to act as the stop for the
travel but that doesn't seem right. When the travel stops the left side
flap doesn't jiggle up and down ... it's in a tight bind. The right side
does have some jiggle room however. Isn't the flap stop created by the
motor simply shutting off? What can be done to fix this?
Jerry Grimmonpre
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | halbenjamin(at)optonline.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod |
Hi Jerry,
First I would check all the connecting hardware to be sure that no threads are
stripped or loose, in particular the push rods themselves. The push rods are threaded
by the builder & could be worn.
Next I would check the rigging of the flaps to be sure they are in the proper adjustment.
(e.g.left flap could be adjusted trailing edge too low)
If all the attachments & rigging are correct, I would extend the opening for the
left push rod forward so that it doesn't bind. Be sure inspect the left rod
for damage that could have been caused by the binding.
Good luck,
Hal Benjamin
RV-4 Long Island, NY
Baffles & Engine Connections
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Grimmonpre
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:26 pm
Subject: RV4-List: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod
>
> Listers ...
> I did not build this rv4 but have a question about the push rod
> on the left
> wing flap.
> When the flaps are full down the push rod binds on the fuselage
> cut-out ....
> forward end of the cut-out. This binding seems to act as the
> stop for the
> travel but that doesn't seem right. When the travel stops the
> left side
> flap doesn't jiggle up and down ... it's in a tight bind. The
> right side
> does have some jiggle room however. Isn't the flap stop created
> by the
> motor simply shutting off? What can be done to fix this?
> Jerry Grimmonpre
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Sampson" <ssamps(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod |
Jerry, I would just like to agree what Hal has said and emphasise that ANY
damage to the push rods is a reason to discard them and make new ones.
When I made mine up , new, I realised just how fragile they are. They rely
on the 'push' being up and down their own axis. Any side pressure risks
kinking them which would lead to their collapse. Many builders have gone to
the hexagonal pre tapped ones that VANS supply for the -9, but VANS
reassured me that provided they were made to design, AND DID NOT BIND ON THE
FUSE, the ones in the plans are fine.
Cheers, Steve.
2008/10/18
> Hi Jerry,
>
> First I would check all the connecting hardware to be sure that no
> threads are stripped or loose, in particular the push rods themselves. The
> push rods are threaded by the builder & could be worn.
>
> Next I would check the rigging of the flaps to be sure they are in the
> proper adjustment. (e.g.left flap could be adjusted trailing edge too low)
>
> If all the attachments & rigging are correct, I would extend
> the opening for the left push rod forward so that it doesn't bind. Be
> sure inspect the left rod for damage that could have been caused by the
> binding.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Hal Benjamin
> RV-4 Long Island, NY
> Baffles & Engine Connections
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry Grimmonpre
> Date: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:26 pm
> Subject: RV4-List: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod
> To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
>
> >
> > Listers ...
> > I did not build this rv4 but have a question about the push rod
> > on the left
> > wing flap.
> > When the flaps are full down the push rod binds on the fuselage
> > cut-out ....
> > forward end of the cut-out. This binding seems to act as the
> > stop for the
> > travel but that doesn't seem right. When the travel stops the
> > left side
> > flap doesn't jiggle up and down ... it's in a tight bind. The
> > right side
> > does have some jiggle room however. Isn't the flap stop created
> > by the
> > motor simply shutting off? What can be done to fix this?
> > Jerry Grimmonpre
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod |
My thanks to Hal and Ben for their reply to the above ...
I will order a new push rod for the left side because the original one shows
signs of stress.
Another question:
How do the flaps stop their up/down travel ... is it through limit switches
on the motor or stopping at airframe structure?
If it's limit switches I can replace or adjust those. If it's structure of
the airframe I can't find that in the building manual. My building manual
only addresses manually deployed wing flaps.
The paper work (one sheet) explaining electric flaps, doesn't mention any
stops when going down or up.
Could someone please explain the electric flap stops at the up and down
limits? Maybe cite the page or reference.
Jerry Grimmonpre
Huntley IL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | halbenjamin(at)optonline.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod |
Hi Jerry,
I looked for the paperwork, but wasn't able to find it. But basically, the flap
motor is controlled with a momentary switch. When you hold the switch in the
up or down position, the motor will run until you release the switch, or its actuator
rod reaches the limit of its travel. There are no external switches, or
airframe stops.
If my memory serves me correctly, the flap position is adjusted by changing the
length of the rod connects the two horizontal bars to the flap weldment arm,
and by the length of the wing flap push rods.
You could always call Van's & see if you can get a copy of the installation sheets
for the electric flap conversion.
Good luck!
Hal Benjamin RV-4
Long Island, NY
FWF
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Grimmonpre
Date: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:16 am
Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod
>
> My thanks to Hal and Ben for their reply to the above ...
> I will order a new push rod for the left side because the
> original one shows
> signs of stress.
>
> Another question:
>
> How do the flaps stop their up/down travel ... is it through
> limit switches
> on the motor or stopping at airframe structure?
>
> If it's limit switches I can replace or adjust those. If it's
> structure of
> the airframe I can't find that in the building manual. My
> building manual
> only addresses manually deployed wing flaps.
>
> The paper work (one sheet) explaining electric flaps, doesn't
> mention any
> stops when going down or up.
> Could someone please explain the electric flap stops at the up
> and down
> limits? Maybe cite the page or reference.
> Jerry Grimmonpre
> Huntley IL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod |
Hal ... many thanks for your follow-up. I confirm that the flap motor
is going to it's own limits and thereby acting as the "stops" for the
entire flap system, up and down.
I did call Van's about this issue. The person will remain nameless but
said, "the fuselage interference is OK to act as the stops". I find it
hard to agree with this notion in view of the adjustments available in
the main push rod, nearest the motor, and then the second adjustment
within the left and right push rods. The compelling reason is that the
left/right push rods bend the fuselage metal when they repeatedly
contact this area. Secondly this interference is going to wear on the
push rod and creating a stress riser.
I will request the latest in electric flap install sheets and talk to
someone else at Van's to confirm my suspicions about the basic operating
philosophy.
Thanks ...
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: halbenjamin(at)optonline.net
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod
Hi Jerry,
I looked for the paperwork, but wasn't able to find it. But basically,
the flap motor is controlled with a momentary switch. When you hold the
switch in the up or down position, the motor will run until you release
the switch, or its actuator rod reaches the limit of its travel. There
are no external switches, or airframe stops.
If my memory serves me correctly, the flap position is adjusted by
changing the length of the rod connects the two horizontal bars to the
flap weldment arm, and by the length of the wing flap push rods.
You could always call Van's & see if you can get a copy of the
installation sheets for the electric flap conversion.
Good luck!
Hal Benjamin RV-4
Long Island, NY
FWF
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Grimmonpre
Date: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:16 am
Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod
To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
>
> My thanks to Hal and Ben for their reply to the above ...
> I will order a new push rod for the left side because the
> original one shows
> signs of stress.
>
> Another question:
>
> How do the flaps stop their up/down travel ... is it through
> limit switches
> on the motor or stopping at airframe structure?
>
> If it's limit switches I can replace or adjust those. If it's
> structure of
> the airframe I can't find that in the building manual. My
> building manual
> only addresses manually deployed wing flaps.
>
> The paper work (one sheet) explaining electric flaps, doesn't
> mention any
> stops when going down or up.
> Could someone please explain the electric flap stops at the up
> and down
> limits? Maybe cite the page or reference.
> Jerry Grimmonpre
> Huntley IL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Sampson" <ssamps(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod |
Jerry, rest assured the installation sheet sais "Pause frequently to check
that there is no interference or binding."
EF-404 (The threaded shaft) is used to set the retracted position. There
are a couple of pictures of my set up
here.<http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/02/control-system.html#links>
Max down is 40 deg. The rather strange design of the motor means there is no
damage if you keep running the motor at each end of its travel. On climb out
I just hold the switch up until the flaps must have retracted fully. I only
look later when I am up a few hundred feet.
While I think of it dont forget the
AD,<http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2006/07/dont-forget-to-lock-wire-flap-motor.html#links>
Hope that helps. Steve
2008/10/23 Jerry Grimmonpre
> Hal ... many thanks for your follow-up. I confirm that the flap motor
> is going to it's own limits and thereby acting as the "stops" for the entire
> flap system, up and down.
> I did call Van's about this issue. The person will remain nameless but
> said, "the fuselage interference is OK to act as the stops". I find it hard
> to agree with this notion in view of the adjustments available in the main
> push rod, nearest the motor, and then the second adjustment within the left
> and right push rods. The compelling reason is that the left/right push
> rods bend the fuselage metal when they repeatedly contact this area.
> Secondly this interference is going to wear on the push rod and creating a
> stress riser.
>
> I will request the latest in electric flap install sheets and talk to
> someone else at Van's to confirm my suspicions about the basic operating
> philosophy.
> Thanks ...
> Jerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* halbenjamin(at)optonline.net
> *To:* rv4-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV4-List: Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> I looked for the paperwork, but wasn't able to find it. But basically, the
> flap motor is controlled with a momentary switch. When you hold the
> switch in the up or down position, the motor will run until you release the
> switch, or its actuator rod reaches the limit of its travel. There are no
> external switches, or airframe stops.
>
> If my memory serves me correctly, the flap position is adjusted by changing
> the length of the rod connects the two horizontal bars to the flap
> weldment arm, and by the length of the wing flap push rods.
>
> You could always call Van's & see if you can get a copy of the installation
> sheets for the electric flap conversion.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Hal Benjamin RV-4
> Long Island, NY
> FWF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry Grimmonpre
> Date: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:16 am
> Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod
> To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com
>
> >
> > My thanks to Hal and Ben for their reply to the above ...
> > I will order a new push rod for the left side because the
> > original one shows
> > signs of stress.
> >
> > Another question:
> >
> > How do the flaps stop their up/down travel ... is it through
> > limit switches
> > on the motor or stopping at airframe structure?
> >
> > If it's limit switches I can replace or adjust those. If it's
> > structure of
> > the airframe I can't find that in the building manual. My
> > building manual
> > only addresses manually deployed wing flaps.
> >
> > The paper work (one sheet) explaining electric flaps, doesn't
> > mention any
> > stops when going down or up.
> > Could someone please explain the electric flap stops at the up
> > and down
> > limits? Maybe cite the page or reference.
> > Jerry Grimmonpre
> > Huntley IL
>
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 Left Wing Flap Push Rod |
Steve ... Thanks again for your comments ... rich with links as well,
you seem well organized.
I will readjust my flaps so the push rods don't hit anything on the
structure or skin.
I like Van's philosophy of keep 'em light and efficient and simple. The
flip side is one has to keep an eye out for surprises caused by simple
eyeball engineering in some cases. These 4's do travel quite quickly
and that's a very good thing.
You have a good looking site
Regards ...
Jerry
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
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| Subject: | Contribution Site URL Clarification |
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| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
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| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
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| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
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| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%... |
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| Subject: | RV4 : [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List PhotoShare Available! |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Members Are Saying... |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? |
Dear Listers,
The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Plexiglass Scratch Repair... |
Dear Listers,
During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed to put some pretty
disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. You can see from the
pictures that they looked pretty bad. A call to Van's revealed that a replacement
canopy would be $640 + $250 shipping to California! Ack.
So what to do... A bit of surfing and I found this "Scratch Off" windshield repair
kit for $35 on the Aircraft Spruce web site:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/scratchoff.php
Frankly, it just seemed too good to be true. Nothing for $35 could be that "magic"
I thought, but what did I have to lose at this point....
Well, the kit arrived yesterday and I decided to give it a try tonight. In a word:
WOW! In about 2 hours the windscreen looked as good as new - no kidding
- AS GOOD AS NEW! The pictures really don't do the repair justice. It looks
better in person.
There are basically two sponges in the kit with four decreasingly porous pastes.
You just put some of the first paste on the sponge and buff it in with a drill
at 1200 RPM or less. Then you wash everything down good including the sponge
and windshield with warm water. Then you use the next finer paste and repeat
the process. Etc, etc, until you've used the 4th paste that is kind of like
car wax.
Frankly, the scratches were gone after the first application of paste - I started
at #2 based on the instructions and the "observed severity" of the scratch
depth.
So, the bottom line is, if you've got scuffs or mild scratches in your Plexiglass
buy this repair kit. It works!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
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| From: | "Brian N. Vickers" <brianvic(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Plexiglass Scratch Repair... |
Matt,
What happened to your RV-4 project? Finished, flown, sold?
Brian Vickers
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: RV4-List: Plexiglass Scratch Repair...
Dear Listers,
During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed to put
some pretty disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. You can see
from the pictures that they looked pretty bad. A call to Van's revealed
that a replacement canopy would be $640 + $250 shipping to California! Ack.
So what to do... A bit of surfing and I found this "Scratch Off" windshield
repair kit for $35 on the Aircraft Spruce web site:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/scratchoff.php
Frankly, it just seemed too good to be true. Nothing for $35 could be that
"magic" I thought, but what did I have to lose at this point....
Well, the kit arrived yesterday and I decided to give it a try tonight. In
a word: WOW! In about 2 hours the windscreen looked as good as new - no
kidding - AS GOOD AS NEW! The pictures really don't do the repair justice.
It looks better in person.
There are basically two sponges in the kit with four decreasingly porous
pastes. You just put some of the first paste on the sponge and buff it in
with a drill at 1200 RPM or less. Then you wash everything down good
including the sponge and windshield with warm water. Then you use the next
finer paste and repeat the process. Etc, etc, until you've used the 4th
paste that is kind of like car wax.
Frankly, the scratches were gone after the first application of paste - I
started at #2 based on the instructions and the "observed severity" of the
scratch depth.
So, the bottom line is, if you've got scuffs or mild scratches in your
Plexiglass buy this repair kit. It works!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some lame magazine or even just a single dinner out. Isn't the
List worth at least that much to you?
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. There are
some great gifts available when you make a qualifying Contribution and there's
plenty still available. Don't forget that its *your* Contribution that keeps
the computers running, the electricity turned on, and the computer room AC cooling!
If you look forward to reading your List email each day, won't you please take
a minute right now to make your personal Contribution?
Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Personal Check:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution Today! |
There are only three days left until the end of this year's List Fund Raiser.
Please take a minute to show your support as so many others have this year and
make sure YOUR name is on the forthcoming List of Contributors 2008!
Its quick and easy using the secure web site with a credit card or PayPal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by sending your personal check to:
Matronics Lists c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
(Please write your email address on the check!)
Thank you in advance for your support of these List services!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Have Been Saying |
Wow! Many of the members making a List Support Contribution this year have been
using the Comments field to leave a personal message about the Lists. Thank
you! I have included a number of them below. Please read over a few and see
if you perhaps can echo some of the same sentiments regarding the value of the
Lists to you...
There is only a couple more days left for this year's List Fund Raiser and we're
still way behind previous years. If you've been waiting until the last minute
to show your support, Now is the Time! Please make your Contribution and pick
up a great gift at the same time!
By Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or By Personal Check:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
Thank you in advance!!
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forums Administrator
Here is some of the great feedback members have been including along with their
personal Contributions this year...
Over the years, the info I have received from the RV-List has
saved me thousands of dollars, and dozens of hours of time by
helping me avoid bad purchases, pointing me at vendors with
low prices and excellent support, and providing solutions to
the typical head scratchers that you run into.
Kevin H
Valuable service. Best List(s) on the Internet!
George A
Please accept this token not as an indicator of what
this list has been worth to me this past year.
Lew G
Great information and entertainment.
Tim V
Thanks again for another great year of service. This
project would be beyond me if it were not for the list.
Moreover, the friendships I have found are worth their
weight in GOLD!
Robert B
Great support you provide to all the subscribers!
Freddie H
Read it every day.
PF B
Thanks for your excellent management of the Matronics
Lists! Your services are head and shoulders above the
rest.
James M
Without the "List", there would be no Kolb "community".
Bill T
Thanks, Matt, for a great service! I've been monitoring
and using the lists since 1999.
Richard D
Thanks for such a terrific site and for all the work and
effort you put into it.
John R
A great service year after year.
John D
..another year of fantastic service.
Jerry B
This list is a great resource.
Arden A
Great list.
James M
Lists were a great help while building HRII N561FS.
John S
Great resources for both the beginner and experienced.
George R
Good service.
Gary G
The List is an invaluable resource!
William C
AeroElectric list is a great source of info and learning!
Janice J
Thank you, Matt for being there for us making it all happen
on the List for so many years - Great JOB!
Sam S
Thank you for providing a great venue. You definitely hit
the nail on the head with your solicitation asking if
readers look forward to receiving the email digests. I
certainly do and when I move from a dreamer to a builder, I
expect the anticipation will only increase.
Joe S
Thanks for a Perfect working list.
Hans-Peter R
Great List
Bryan K
Such a great selection of valuable forums!
David G
Nice job!
Walt E
Good resource...
Robert P
Thank you for another great year!
Scott S
I could not do this without you...
Robert D
I believe I've been a list member for over a decade
now. Thanks for the service!
Tim L
Great List
Hendrik W
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means three things:..
1) Today I am now officially 45 years old...
2) It marks that last "official" day of this year's List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year!
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and
no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support
their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
to keep the List bills paid.
I will be posting the List of Contributors next week so make sure your name is
on it!
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly
appreciated.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | "paul mccord" <pfmccord(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/04/08 |
plz delete me from the kolb,rotax and rv-4 lists thanx paul
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors 2008 |
Dear Listers,
This year's Fund Raiser has drawn to a close and I want to thank everyone that
so generously made a contribution this year in support of the Matronics Email
List and Forum operation. Your generosity keeps the wheels on this cart and I
truly appreciate the many kind words of encouragement and financial reimbursement.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser, please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available
on the Contribution site for a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution
today and still get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution
web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by personal check to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2008 List of Contributors current
as of 12/7/08! Have a look at this list of names as *these* are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you
enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2008.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts around the end of December. In most cases,
gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "paul mccord" <pfmccord(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/31/08 |
please remove me from the rv-4,kolb,and rotax lists thanx paul f mccord
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:58 AM, RV4-List Digest Server <
rv4-list(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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> Today's complete RV4-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
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| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
I searched the archives and was surprised to find very little
information on this subject. I have a RV-4 stuck in the hangar due to
12" of snow on an unplowed grass strip... I'm itching to fly and was
wanted info on putting skis on my RV. Anyone done it? Recommended
type/brand of skis? I know very little on this subject and looking
for some help/advice.
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skis for RV-4 |
Michael, It has been done! A Norway RV4 was put on skis many years ago and photos
of it are on the Van's website. As I remember he used the same skis I used
on my Tcraft. You might try googling it...
Smokey
HR2
--- On Tue, 2/3/09, Michael Kraus wrote:
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: RV4-List: Skis for RV-4
Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 11:13 AM
I searched the archives and was surprised to find very little information on
this subject. I have a RV-4 stuck in the hangar due to 12" of snow on an
unplowed grass strip... I'm itching to fly and was wanted info on putting
skis on my RV. Anyone done it? Recommended type/brand of skis? I know very
little on this subject and looking for some help/advice.
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | RV4 Rear Rudder Pedals Kit |
Dear Listers,
I need pointed to the RV gent who makes the Subject RV4 kit. It's the one with
the simple bent 1/2" rod shaped like a square U and uses light weight chain attached
to the rudder cable.
Thanks to a fine group ...
Jerry
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| Subject: | RV-4 Canopy Replacement |
| From: | "cchenry01" <cchenry01(at)hotmail.com> |
Due to circumstances I am planning on replacing the canopy on the RV-4. Curious
if any others have replaced their canopy and any hints or sleeping snakes would
be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Chuck
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238735#238735
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 Canopy Replacement |
I replaced my original Van's canopy (it cracked one cold morning pulling
out of a loop. Scared the poop out of me as I thought the wing spar broke
from the "pop" it made) with a Todd's canopy. Slightly thicker and about 1.5"
taller. Strangely, it had an imperceptible difference in the curvature
because I found I was now not getting a reflection off my instruments during
night flying. Anyway, I used only lightly torqued screws with nylock nuts. If
I had to do the entire canopy system over I would use only those new
adhesives and no "drilled" fasteners at all.
Jim
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recession.
(http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | smokyray(at)yahoo.com |
| Subject: | Yahoo! Auto Response |
This email address is no longer in use.
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| Subject: | RV-4 Kit for Sale, Atlanta Area |
| From: | "markm" <riveter(at)gmail.com> |
RV-4 kit for sale. Atlanta area.
Empennage and wings complete. Fuselage in canoe stage. I have the finishing kit
with epoxy fiberglass cowling and O360 engine mount.
All parts have been prepped and epoxy primered prior to assembly. All steel parts
were prepped and epoxy primered as the kits were received.
Additional components include throttle quadrant, electric trim kit, electric flap
kit, and Andair fuel valve.
Project has been inspected and documented by an EAA Tech Counselor. Workmanship
is excellent.
I am asking $16000.
Project pictures can be seen at:
http://riveter1000.home.comcast.net/~riveter1000/index.html
Contact me at riveter(at)gmail.com for more information.
Mark McGee
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247660#247660
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| From: | "Ken Hill" <krhill325(at)dishmail.net> |
| Subject: | Vetterman exhaust for sale |
I have a Vetterman Exhaust for sale, with approximately 300 hrs of use. It
fits a RV-4, O-320.
It is in excellent condition, with no cracks and the joints flex fine. It
is drilled for EGT probes.
I am asking $325 including shipping to the continental US only. I can send
pictures if you are
interested. Thought I would let the RV list know before I go to eBay.
Ken Hill
RV-9A
Ten Mile, TN
865 399-4104
krhill325(at)dishmail.net
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's solely through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO advertising to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages and web site pages such as the Matronics List Forums ( http://forums.matronics.com ), the List Wiki ( http://wiki.matronics.com), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), the List Browser ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. Your personal Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November List Fund Raiser |
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for
the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes
a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will
instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month!
Its just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund
Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for
the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Some Very Nice Comments... |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them over
and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation
of these services.
There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and
pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
Few things in life bring more usefulness than the List. This
is worth every penny!
Stephen T.
I have enjoyed the list for way too many years, but continue
to get closer to flying my project with the help of listers.
C.L.
Thanks for this List. It's been a great source of encouragement
and information.
Arden A.
Great service!
Gerald T.
It's always interesting reading the lists and I've gotten some
good help from the issues and answers there.
Steve T.
Been a member of the List for 12 years. Keep up the good work.
John H.
Great Site!
Harry M.
Great source of information...
Martin H.
Thanks for providing this great service!
Jeff P.
I continue to get and give information through these lists.
Ralph C.
This is a wonderful resource!
Warren H.
This is what inernet was meant for, sharing information and
experience. Michael W.
Thanks for making such a good list!
Fred D.
Thanks for running a great service!
Michael F.
I really appreciate it.
Dan H.
Thanks for the great service.
Michael L.
Thanks for maintaining this great resource.
John C.
Your sites have been a great resourses and an introduction
to many competent aircraft designers and fabricators.
Jon M.
Thanks for all that you do to maintain the Matronics forums
and for the personal help that you have been to me in
answering my questions regarding the use of the forums.
William B.
[The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and
make my systems better. Ralph C.
The Universe is a better place because of you.
Eric J.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributions Down By 21%... |
Dear Listers,
As of today, contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by 21%. I have a fund raiser each year simply to cover
my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising income
to support the Lists and rely solely on the contributions of members to keep the
expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and
the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter
of hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time as well. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs
and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments,
make a modest contribution each year to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List
services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really
said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places
on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable
List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one
of the best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser! Response
has been very good, but still well behind last year. If you've been waiting until
the last minute to make your contribution and maybe even pick up a great
gift, now might be good time to show your support!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal, or a personal check:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... |
Even though the number of List subscriptions and List posts are up significantly
this year compared to last year, support during this year's List Fund Raiser
has been woefully lagging from last year. There are only a couple more days
left in November and the end of the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.
I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members
have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser
cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid on the List service expenses,
I will have to look into some sort of advertising. Please don't let that
happen!
Your personal contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping the operation
a float. The lunch combo at Carl's Jr costs nearly $10 these days. Isn't
the List worth at least as much as a couple of burgers?
Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in
December. The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two More Days Left; Fund Raiser Behind By 12%... |
Dear Listers,
This year's List Fund Raiser is still trailing last year by a 12% margin. If you
like the ad-free environment that is the Matronics Email List and Forum experience,
please make a quick Contribution to keep it that way!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I've been getting a ton of really nice comments from Contributors regarding the
Lists. Please read over some of them below and see if they don't resonate with
you as well.
Thank you in advance for your generous contribution to support these Lists!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its
my 46th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of the really
nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now
is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2009 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2009 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
Their generous
contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running.
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I also want to thank Bob, Jon, Andy, and John for their generous support through
the supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and
I encourage you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com
John Caldwell - HowToCrimp - www.howtocrimp.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2009 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2009.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| Subject: | Flap Leading edge protection |
| From: | Steven Mullins <smullins(at)drury.edu> |
Good morning everyone. I just had my RV4 painted and the paint shop
forgot to install the tape on the leading edge to protect the flap
surface. Do the flaps have to be removed to install the protective tape?
Thanks in advance for the help!
Steve Mullins
Associate Professor of Economics
Breech School of Business Administration
Drury University
417.873.7299
"Preparing Ethical Leaders for the Global Business Community"
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Leading edge protection |
| From: | Stephen Sampson <SSampson.SLN21(at)london.edu> |
Steve, if you disconnect the pushrods inside the fuselage, the flaps will
hang vertically down so it will be easy for you to put the protective tape
on. Did the shop paint the aircraft with them on then?
Before you move them you might want to slide some stiff brown paper between
the flap/wing to protect them while you move them down. Goodluck.
Regards, Steve.
2010/1/15 Steven Mullins
> Good morning everyone. I just had my RV4 painted and the paint shop
> forgot to install the tape on the leading edge to protect the flap surface.
> Do the flaps have to be removed to install the protective tape?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for the help!
>
>
> Steve Mullins
>
> Associate Professor of Economics
>
> Breech School of Business Administration
>
> Drury University
>
> 417.873.7299
>
> "Preparing Ethical Leaders for the Global Business Community"
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Steven Mullins <smullins(at)drury.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap Leading edge protection |
Thanks for the tip, Stephen. They did remove the old tape and "forgot"
to replace it.
Steve Mullins
Associate Professor of Economics
Drury University
417.873.7299
"Preparing Ethical Leaders for the Global Business Community"
Sent via Iphone
On Jan 15, 2010, at 11:59 AM, "Stephen Sampson" wrote:
> Steve, if you disconnect the pushrods inside the fuselage, the flaps
> will hang vertically down so it will be easy for you to put the
> protective tape on. Did the shop paint the aircraft with them on then?
>
> Before you move them you might want to slide some stiff brown paper
> between the flap/wing to protect them while you move them down.
> Goodluck.
>
> Regards, Steve.
>
>
> 2010/1/15 Steven Mullins
> Good morning everyone. I just had my RV4 painted and the paint shop
> forgot to install the tape on the leading edge to protect the flap
> surface. Do the flaps have to be removed to install the protective
> tape?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for the help!
>
>
> Steve Mullins
>
> Associate Professor of Economics
>
> Breech School of Business Administration
>
> Drury University
>
> 417.873.7299
>
> "Preparing Ethical Leaders for the Global Business Community"
>
>
> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV4-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| From: | "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net> |
| Subject: | RV4 Tail Wheel Axle Bolt Diameter & Length? |
Dear Listers,
I need to know the diameter & length of the tail wheel axle bolt. I don't
have the plans handy ... does anyone know for sure what that critter
measures?
Many thanks,
Jerry
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| From: | "Brian N. Vickers" <brianvic(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RV4 Tail Wheel Axle Bolt Diameter & Length? |
The builder drawings show it as: AN6-30
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Grimmonpre
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 8:13 PM
Subject: RV4-List: RV4 Tail Wheel Axle Bolt Diameter & Length?
Dear Listers,
I need to know the diameter & length of the tail wheel axle bolt. I don't
have the plans handy ... does anyone know for sure what that critter
measures?
Many thanks,
Jerry
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| From: | "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> |
Listers -
I have a friend's RV-4 apart for the annual Condition Inspection. It has a
Lyc O-360-A3A adapted with up-draft Airflow Performance injector servo and
what I believe is a Vetterman cross-over exhaust.
The exhaust hangers are broken in several places - have been for some time.
I'd appreciate some photos or words describing exhaust hangers that seem to
work well on the -4 and withstand the punishment.
Neal George
Navarre, FL
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| From: | "Bill Gunn" <WGUNN(at)dot.state.tx.us> |
Four pipe Vetterman system RV 4 - 870 hours to date - rubber connectors are rubber
heater hose sections - note on both sides of the hangar. Make sure there is
NO tension or load on the hangars when you support them.
>>> "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" 5/24/2010
9:38 AM >>>
Listers *
I have a friend*s RV-4 apart for the annual Condition Inspection. It has a Lyc
O-360-A3A adapted with up-draft Airflow Performance injector servo and what I
believe is a Vetterman cross-over exhaust.
The exhaust hangers are broken in several places * have been for some time. I*d
appreciate some photos or words describing exhaust hangers that seem to work
well on the -4 and withstand the punishment*
Neal George
Navarre, FL
===================
Buckle up!
Safety belts and child safety seats save lives, prevent injuries,
and can also keep you from getting a ticket.
Click It or Ticket
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| From: | "mbick" <mbick(at)carolina.rr.com> |
I used something similar but used exhaust hangars from Summit Racing for my
RV4 and my other planes. Take a look all kinds of different styles.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/Department/Exhaust/Part-Type/Exhaust-Hang
ers/?Ns=Rank|Asc
_____
From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gunn
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Exhaust
Four pipe Vetterman system RV 4 - 870 hours to date - rubber connectors are
rubber heater hose sections - note on both sides of the hangar. Make sure
there is NO tension or load on the hangars when you support them.
>>> "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ"
5/24/2010 9:38 AM >>>
Listers -
I have a friend's RV-4 apart for the annual Condition Inspection. It has a
Lyc O-360-A3A adapted with up-draft Airflow Performance injector servo and
what I believe is a Vetterman cross-over exhaust.
The exhaust hangers are broken in several places - have been for some time.
I'd appreciate some photos or words describing exhaust hangers that seem to
work well on the -4 and withstand the punishment.
Neal George
Navarre, FL
===================
Buckle up!
Safety belts and child safety seats save lives, prevent injuries,
and can also keep you from getting a ticket.
Click It or Ticket
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| From: | Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com> |
Neal,
I experienced this with my RV8 8 plus years ago when I flew off the initia
l
flight testing. I tried several things that did not work. I then went to
the local hardware store and purchased some 2
compression springs approx. 2 inches long wound from approx. 100 thousand
s
wire and approximately 3/4 inch diameter. I made band type loop hangers to
connect springs to the exhaust pipe and the engine mount legs. The springs
absorb the shock from landings etc. ( I fly from a grass field (bummpy). I
now have 9 years and 1900 hours on this set up. Good Luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233m
the fast one
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:38 AM, George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ <
Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> wrote:
> Listers '
>
>
> I have a friend=92s RV-4 apart for the annual Condition Inspection. It h
as a
> Lyc O-360-A3A adapted with up-draft Airflow Performance injector servo an
d
> what I believe is a Vetterman cross-over exhaust.
>
>
> The exhaust hangers are broken in several places ' have been for some
> time. I=92d appreciate some photos or words describing exhaust hangers t
hat
> seem to work well on the -4 and withstand the punishment=85
>
>
> Neal George
>
> Navarre, FL
>
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| From: | "Ed Hollestelle" <ed(at)solairecanada.com> |
| Subject: | RE: RV4-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/16/10 |
Hi, I am looking for a Positech P20004C (4215 MN) oil cooler.
Does anyone have a new one they can sell me?
Ed Hollestelle.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV4-List Digest
Server
Sent: September-17-10 2:59 AM
Subject: RV4-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/16/10
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - List Fund Raiser Kickoff! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's solely through the Contributions
of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO
advertising to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack
of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages
and web site pages including:
* Matronics List Forums http://forums.matronics.com
* Matronics List List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com
* Matronics List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search
* Matronics List Browser http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
You don't find advertising on any of these pages because I believe in a List experience
that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and
not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these Lists. Your personal Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include:
* Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com
* Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com
* Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-8 Builder and Flyer
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November List Fund Raiser |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, they will instantly cease to receive these
Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple.
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for
my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution... |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for
my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments... |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them over
and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation
of these services.
There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and
pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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You are providing a great service. Thanks so very much.
David L
Keep up the good work! A great website - wish I'd found it earlier!
Bob S
Thanks for providing a site for information.
Jim S
Thanks again for providing a great service to our community!
Alex M
Thanks and keep up the good work!
Robert B.
Great forum!
David S
Thanks for providing the Kolb List for the last 12 years.
John H
Long time lurker, it's a great resource...many thanks.
Ian C
Your work and effort are greatly appreciated.
Nicolas L
November 27, 2006 - November 17, 2010
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