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August 08, 2007 - April 02, 2008



      >
      >
      > Regards,
      >
      >
      > Rafael
      >
      >
      > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list- 
      > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
      > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:04 PM
      > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging
      >
      >
      > Dear Rafael,
      >
      >
      > I had the same problem, till a more experienced builder told me to  
      > put a bend in the threaded rod.
      >
      >
      > It will lift it just slightly and should give you a little more  
      > breathing room.
      >
      > Hope that works for you.   Sorry I don't have a photo close by to  
      > send.
      >
      >
      > John Brunke
      >
      > RV7 in progress
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      >
      > From: Rafael
      >
      > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
      >
      > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 6:22 PM
      >
      > Subject: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging
      >
      >
      > Hi folks!
      >
      >
      > I would appreciate some help.  I=92m trying to rig up the electric  
      > trim and find that I need to trim away quite a bit of metal to  
      > eliminate interference for the full down trim.
      >
      >
      > I followed Van=92s instructions regarding the positioning of the trim  
      
      > motor mount.  As you can see from the pictures, though still within  
      
      > the opening footprint,
      >
      > the actuating rod turned out pretty close to the inboard edge.  (I  
      > thought about centering the mounts at the time, but decided to  
      > trust the plans.)
      >
      >
      > After installing the trim system, there is a slight miss-alignment,  
      
      > but nothing that would cause stress in the system.  I made some  
      > marks on the max, min, and half-way travel of the actuating rod.  I  
      
      > then adjusted the length for no trim at the half-way point.
      >
      >
      > What worries me most is the amount of metal I have to file out to  
      > prevent the actuating rod from contacting the elevator under max  
      > down trim.  As you can see, I=92ve already removed quite a bit of  
      > Aluminum.  I hesitate to trim further without some reassurance.
      >
      >
      > Van=92s builder=92s assistance is closed for the weekend, so I thought 
      
      > I would seek y=92alls=92 help (I recently moved to Aiken, SC, and I=92m 
      
      > learning the local grammar ;))
      >
      >
      > Thanks and best regards,
      >
      >
      > Rafael
      >
      >
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From: "Michael Crawford" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Elevator trim rigging
Date: Aug 08, 2007
Yep, my RV-7 needs VERY little trim changes through the full speed range. Mike RV-7 250 Hours _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cudney Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: Re: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging Rafael: I just got back from a trip and saw your question about the trim travel. I measured mine today and it is very close to your measurement. I have 20.3 up trim (down movement of the trim tab) and 24.8 down trim (up movement of the trim tab) for a total of 45.3. As I recall from the last RV that I flew you use very little of the trim tab to adjust for approach speed and curse. I see no method of getting more travel without changing the trim servo. Maybe someone else has a method to get more travel from the servo. good luck dave RV 7A Starting on the cowling On Aug 4, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Rafael wrote: Thanks again, John for your suggestion. I bent the rod a few degrees and that worked very well. It not only gave me good clearance, but I was also to correct for the slight miss-alignment. I now have another question: I measure a trim control of 20.6 degrees up trim max. and 23.2 degrees down trim max. Van's figures, on section 15: Flight Controls, call for Maximum up/down of 25-35 degrees. That implies to me that a minimum travel of 50 degrees is necessary. I'm getting 43.8 degrees, so there's no way to meet these numbers. It's all that the motor actuator will give. Any comments as to what's going on? Thanks and regards, Rafael _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rafael Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. It's definitely less traumatic than removing al that aluminum. I'll try it. Regards, Rafael _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:04 PM Subject: Re: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging Dear Rafael, I had the same problem, till a more experienced builder told me to put a bend in the threaded rod. It will lift it just slightly and should give you a little more breathing room. Hope that works for you. Sorry I don't have a photo close by to send. John Brunke RV7 in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:rafael(at)gforcecable.com> Rafael Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging Hi folks! I would appreciate some help. I'm trying to rig up the electric trim and find that I need to trim away quite a bit of metal to eliminate interference for the full down trim. I followed Van's instructions regarding the positioning of the trim motor mount. As you can see from the pictures, though still within the opening footprint, the actuating rod turned out pretty close to the inboard edge. (I thought about centering the mounts at the time, but decided to trust the plans.) After installing the trim system, there is a slight miss-alignment, but nothing that would cause stress in the system. I made some marks on the max, min, and half-way travel of the actuating rod. I then adjusted the length for no trim at the half-way point. What worries me most is the amount of metal I have to file out to prevent the actuating rod from contacting the elevator under max down trim. As you can see, I've already removed quite a bit of Aluminum. I hesitate to trim further without some reassurance. Van's builder's assistance is closed for the weekend, so I thought I would seek y'alls' help (I recently moved to Aiken, SC, and I'm learning the local grammar ;)) Thanks and best regards, Rafael href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List http://forums.matronics.com - The RV7-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com>
Subject: Elevator trim rigging
Date: Aug 09, 2007
Thanks! That's what it is and it looks like it will do fine. Cheers, Rafael RV7A Just finishing the empennage. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cudney Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:49 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging Rafael: I just got back from a trip and saw your question about the trim travel. I measured mine today and it is very close to your measurement. I have 20.3 up trim (down movement of the trim tab) and 24.8 down trim (up movement of the trim tab) for a total of 45.3. As I recall from the last RV that I flew you use very little of the trim tab to adjust for approach speed and curse. I see no method of getting more travel without changing the trim servo. Maybe someone else has a method to get more travel from the servo. good luck dave RV 7A Starting on the cowling On Aug 4, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Rafael wrote: Thanks again, John for your suggestion. I bent the rod a few degrees and that worked very well. It not only gave me good clearance, but I was also to correct for the slight miss-alignment. I now have another question: I measure a trim control of 20.6 degrees up trim max. and 23.2 degrees down trim max. Van's figures, on section 15: Flight Controls, call for Maximum up/down of 25-35 degrees. That implies to me that a minimum travel of 50 degrees is necessary. I'm getting 43.8 degrees, so there's no way to meet these numbers. It's all that the motor actuator will give. Any comments as to what's going on? Thanks and regards, Rafael _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rafael Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. It's definitely less traumatic than removing al that aluminum. I'll try it. Regards, Rafael _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:04 PM Subject: Re: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging Dear Rafael, I had the same problem, till a more experienced builder told me to put a bend in the threaded rod. It will lift it just slightly and should give you a little more breathing room. Hope that works for you. Sorry I don't have a photo close by to send. John Brunke RV7 in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:rafael(at)gforcecable.com> Rafael Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging Hi folks! I would appreciate some help. I'm trying to rig up the electric trim and find that I need to trim away quite a bit of metal to eliminate interference for the full down trim. I followed Van's instructions regarding the positioning of the trim motor mount. As you can see from the pictures, though still within the opening footprint, the actuating rod turned out pretty close to the inboard edge. (I thought about centering the mounts at the time, but decided to trust the plans.) After installing the trim system, there is a slight miss-alignment, but nothing that would cause stress in the system. I made some marks on the max, min, and half-way travel of the actuating rod. I then adjusted the length for no trim at the half-way point. What worries me most is the amount of metal I have to file out to prevent the actuating rod from contacting the elevator under max down trim. As you can see, I've already removed quite a bit of Aluminum. I hesitate to trim further without some reassurance. Van's builder's assistance is closed for the weekend, so I thought I would seek y'alls' help (I recently moved to Aiken, SC, and I'm learning the local grammar ;)) Thanks and best regards, Rafael href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Walter" <pdwalter(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Titan
Date: Aug 10, 2007
I am considering a 180hp titan engine for my 7A. Can anyone on the list expand on these thoughts or provide me with positive/negative input on this range of engines. Thank you Paul Walter ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mark Taylor <mtaylo17(at)msn.com>
Subject: Titan
Date: Aug 09, 2007
I have a TMX IOF-360 from Mattituck with Titan cylinders. The rest of my en gine is Superior Air Parts. I'm up to 115 hours now, and they've been fine. My TBO is 2400hrs! Mark. From: pdwalter(at)bigpond.net.auTo: rv7-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RV7-List: T itanDate: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:03:16 +1000 I am considering a 180hp titan engine for my 7A. Can anyone on the list exp and on these thoughts or provide me with positive/negative input on this ra nge of engines. Thank you Paul Walter ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2007
From: Carlos A Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com>
Subject: Re: Titan
The guy to talk to is Robbie Attaway at www.attawayair.com. He's an RV6 builder and also a Titan engine builder. ou can see more on his site. He's built several engines for people such as Mark Chamberlain and Darwin Barrie (Phoenix area). I spoke with him a few months back after his EAA presentation about the engines. I was on the fence until I spoke with him about it. Now I'm just waiting (actually still building and saving) for ECi to come out with a stroked IO-360! Yeah baby! Carlos in AZ RV-7A N174PP reserved Paul Walter wrote: > I am considering a 180hp titan engine for my 7A. Can anyone on the > list expand on these thoughts or provide me with positive/negative > input on this range of engines. > > Thank you > > Paul Walter > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tad Sargent" <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Titan
Date: Aug 12, 2007
Paul, I fly the ECI Titan component engine, assembled by Penn Yann Aero. In a word, Flawless. Regards Tad Sargent 302 hours 7A 18 months FFI Wingman _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Walter Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: RV7-List: Titan I am considering a 180hp titan engine for my 7A. Can anyone on the list expand on these thoughts or provide me with positive/negative input on this range of engines. Thank you Paul Walter ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <colfearnow(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: ECI Titan engines
Date: Aug 12, 2007
Hello Mark, I purchased the ECI Titan kit (188 HP at 2700 RPMs)...basic O-360-B1A (hollow crank). The short of it... I have not started the engine as of yet but am happy with the build. I asked John Sjaardema (Excel Air in Rensselaer, IN at the airport), www.excelairservices.com) my builder to take on the engine build...customer assisted (a plug for John). I basically built the engine myself with help from John and his certified A&Ps (work space, knowledge, parts, tools, etc.). Spent about 2 weeks part time building the engine and everything looked good...the entire kit was within specs (a few exceptions), and John is very particular about clearances and so forth. I probably spent 2 days with the micrometers. Exceptions: there were 3 tapped holes in the case that were not all of the way thru and would not accept a full-length bolt; but we modified the bolts and were acceptable to John. Also, 3 exhaust valve rocker arms were not within the dry-tappet specs in the Lycoming manuals (John's specs...minimum 0.030 clearance) but ECI made the fixes at their facility--ECI sent them back, I installed them and were perfect (0.035). John and I were happy with the build. John also painted the engine. I also replaced the cork gaskets with a better quality gasket for the valve covers--the cork material tends to leak. I also replaced the adjustable oil pressure part with a manual one (adjustable with washers)...the adjustable part tends to leak also. My engine situation: Precision Fuel Injection (reman Bendix-style servo--no fuel tank return requirements), vertical induction (I like the snorkel look...more distinctive and more effective air flow), fixed pitch prop from Sensenich and of course the Titan cylinders. The case is mfg by ECI and most of the parts but the crankshaft and camshaft are Lycoming products...I believe (experimental); not sure on that. I also purchased a new SkyTech starter for the engine and the FWF kit from Van's which is mostly done. I purchased the kit, Slick mags (dual coupling) and a few other parts (fuel pump) from A.E.R.O., Inc. Their pricing was very competitive and they sold the new mags basically at their cost (www.aeroinstock.com, Grant City, IL) who is also a builder. POC is Jesse Robinson. Sorry for the plugs. Hope to fireup the engine next month. Ron Fearnow -7A, wrapping up the slider canopy....hopefully this week ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV7-List Digest Server" <rv7-list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Friday, 10 August, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: RV7-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/09/07 > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV7-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV7-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-08-09&Archive=RV7 > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-08-09&Archive=RV7 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV7-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Thu 08/09/07: 4 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 04:26 AM - Re: Elevator trim rigging (Rafael) > 2. 05:04 PM - Titan (Paul Walter) > 3. 05:20 PM - Re: Titan (Mark Taylor) > 4. 08:41 PM - Re: Titan (Carlos A Hernandez) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com> > Subject: RE: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging > > Thanks! > > > That's what it is and it looks like it will do fine. > > > Cheers, > > > Rafael > > RV7A Just finishing the empennage. > > > _____ > > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cudney > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:49 AM > Subject: Re: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging > > > Rafael: > > > I just got back from a trip and saw your question about the trim travel. > I > measured mine today and it is very close to your measurement. I have 20.3 > up trim (down movement of the trim tab) and 24.8 down trim (up movement of > the trim tab) for a total of 45.3. As I recall from the last RV that I > flew you use very little of the trim tab to adjust for approach speed and > curse. I see no method of getting more travel without changing the trim > servo. Maybe someone else has a method to get more travel from the servo. > > > good luck > > dave > > RV 7A > > Starting on the cowling > > > On Aug 4, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Rafael wrote: > > > Thanks again, John for your suggestion. > > > I bent the rod a few degrees and that worked very well. It not only gave > me > good clearance, but I was also to correct for the slight miss-alignment. > > > I now have another question: I measure a trim control of 20.6 degrees up > trim max. and 23.2 degrees down trim max. Van's figures, on section 15: > Flight Controls, call for Maximum up/down of 25-35 degrees. That implies > to > me that a minimum travel of 50 degrees is necessary. I'm getting 43.8 > degrees, so there's no way to meet these numbers. It's all that the motor > actuator will give. > > > Any comments as to what's going on? > > > Thanks and regards, > > > Rafael > > > _____ > > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rafael > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:58 PM > Subject: RE: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging > > > Thanks! > > > That makes a lot of sense. It's definitely less traumatic than removing > al > that aluminum. > > > I'll try it. > > > Regards, > > > Rafael > > > _____ > > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:04 PM > Subject: Re: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging > > > Dear Rafael, > > > I had the same problem, till a more experienced builder told me to put a > bend in the threaded rod. > > > It will lift it just slightly and should give you a little more breathing > room. > > Hope that works for you. Sorry I don't have a photo close by to send. > > > John Brunke > > RV7 in progress > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <mailto:rafael(at)gforcecable.com> Rafael > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 6:22 PM > > Subject: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging > > > Hi folks! > > > I would appreciate some help. I'm trying to rig up the electric trim and > find that I need to trim away quite a bit of metal to eliminate > interference > for the full down trim. > > > I followed Van's instructions regarding the positioning of the trim motor > mount. As you can see from the pictures, though still within the opening > footprint, > > the actuating rod turned out pretty close to the inboard edge. (I thought > about centering the mounts at the time, but decided to trust the plans.) > > > After installing the trim system, there is a slight miss-alignment, but > nothing that would cause stress in the system. I made some marks on the > max, min, and half-way travel of the actuating rod. I then adjusted the > length for no trim at the half-way point. > > > What worries me most is the amount of metal I have to file out to prevent > the actuating rod from contacting the elevator under max down trim. As > you > can see, I've already removed quite a bit of Aluminum. I hesitate to trim > further without some reassurance. > > > Van's builder's assistance is closed for the weekend, so I thought I would > seek y'alls' help (I recently moved to Aiken, SC, and I'm learning the > local > grammar ;)) > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > Rafael > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/ > Navigator?RV7-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List > <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com > > - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> > --> <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Paul Walter" <pdwalter(at)bigpond.net.au> > Subject: RV7-List: Titan > > I am considering a 180hp titan engine for my 7A. Can anyone on the list > expand on these thoughts or provide me with positive/negative input on > this range of engines. > > Thank you > > Paul Walter > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > From: Mark Taylor <mtaylo17(at)msn.com> > Subject: RE: RV7-List: Titan > > I have a TMX IOF-360 from Mattituck with Titan cylinders. The rest of my > en > gine is Superior Air Parts. I'm up to 115 hours now, and they've been > fine. > My TBO is 2400hrs! > > Mark. > > > From: pdwalter(at)bigpond.net.auTo: rv7-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RV7-List: > T > itanDate: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:03:16 +1000 > > > I am considering a 180hp titan engine for my 7A. Can anyone on the list > exp > and on these thoughts or provide me with positive/negative input on this > ra > nge of engines. > > Thank you > > Paul Walter > > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > From: Carlos A Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com> > Subject: Re: RV7-List: Titan > > > The guy to talk to is Robbie Attaway at www.attawayair.com. He's an RV6 > builder and also a Titan engine builder. ou can see more on his site. > He's built several engines for people such as Mark Chamberlain and > Darwin Barrie (Phoenix area). I spoke with him a few months back after > his EAA presentation about the engines. I was on the fence until I spoke > with him about it. Now I'm just waiting (actually still building and > saving) for ECi to come out with a stroked IO-360! Yeah baby! > > Carlos in AZ > RV-7A > N174PP reserved > > Paul Walter wrote: >> I am considering a 180hp titan engine for my 7A. Can anyone on the >> list expand on these thoughts or provide me with positive/negative >> input on this range of engines. >> >> Thank you >> >> Paul Walter >> * >> >> >> * >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <colfearnow(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Fw: ECI Titan engines
Date: Aug 12, 2007
Mark, forgot the photo... Ron F. ----- Original Message ----- From: <colfearnow(at)earthlink.net> Cc: Sent: Sunday, 12 August, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: ECI Titan engines > Hello Mark, > I purchased the ECI Titan kit (188 HP at 2700 RPMs)...basic O-360-B1A > (hollow crank). The short of it... I have not started the engine as of > yet but am happy with the build. I asked John Sjaardema (Excel Air in > Rensselaer, IN at the airport), www.excelairservices.com) my builder to > take on the engine build...customer assisted (a plug for John). I > basically built the engine myself with help from John and his certified > A&Ps (work space, knowledge, parts, tools, etc.). Spent about 2 weeks > part time building the engine and everything looked good...the entire kit > was within specs (a few exceptions), and John is very particular about > clearances and so forth. I probably spent 2 days with the micrometers. > > Exceptions: there were 3 tapped holes in the case that were not all of > the way thru and would not accept a full-length bolt; but we modified the > bolts and were acceptable to John. Also, 3 exhaust valve rocker arms were > not within the dry-tappet specs in the Lycoming manuals (John's > specs...minimum 0.030 clearance) but ECI made the fixes at their > facility--ECI sent them back, I installed them and were perfect (0.035). > John and I were happy with the build. John also painted the engine. I > also replaced the cork gaskets with a better quality gasket for the valve > covers--the cork material tends to leak. I also replaced the adjustable > oil pressure part with a manual one (adjustable with washers)...the > adjustable part tends to leak also. > > My engine situation: Precision Fuel Injection (reman Bendix-style > servo--no fuel tank return requirements), vertical induction (I like the > snorkel look...more distinctive and more effective air flow), fixed pitch > prop from Sensenich and of course the Titan cylinders. The case is mfg by > ECI and most of the parts but the crankshaft and camshaft are Lycoming > products...I believe (experimental); not sure on that. I also purchased > a new SkyTech starter for the engine and the FWF kit from Van's which is > mostly done. I purchased the kit, Slick mags (dual coupling) and a few > other parts (fuel pump) from A.E.R.O., Inc. Their pricing was very > competitive and they sold the new mags basically at their cost > (www.aeroinstock.com, Grant City, IL) who is also a builder. POC is > Jesse Robinson. Sorry for the plugs. > Hope to fireup the engine next month. > Ron Fearnow > -7A, wrapping up the slider canopy....hopefully this week > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RV7-List Digest Server" <rv7-list(at)matronics.com> > To: "RV7-List Digest List" > Sent: Friday, 10 August, 2007 2:57 AM > Subject: RV7-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/09/07 > > >> * >> >> ================================================= >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================= >> >> Today's complete RV7-List Digest can also be found in either of the >> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >> of the RV7-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >> such as Notepad or with a web browser. >> >> HTML Version: >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-08-09&Archive=RV7 >> >> Text Version: >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-08-09&Archive=RV7 >> >> >> =============================================== >> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >> =============================================== >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> RV7-List Digest Archive >> --- >> Total Messages Posted Thu 08/09/07: 4 >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Today's Message Index: >> ---------------------- >> >> 1. 04:26 AM - Re: Elevator trim rigging (Rafael) >> 2. 05:04 PM - Titan (Paul Walter) >> 3. 05:20 PM - Re: Titan (Mark Taylor) >> 4. 08:41 PM - Re: Titan (Carlos A Hernandez) >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 1 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com> >> Subject: RE: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> That's what it is and it looks like it will do fine. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Rafael >> >> RV7A Just finishing the empennage. >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cudney >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:49 AM >> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging >> >> >> Rafael: >> >> >> I just got back from a trip and saw your question about the trim travel. >> I >> measured mine today and it is very close to your measurement. I have >> 20.3 >> up trim (down movement of the trim tab) and 24.8 down trim (up movement >> of >> the trim tab) for a total of 45.3. As I recall from the last RV that I >> flew you use very little of the trim tab to adjust for approach speed and >> curse. I see no method of getting more travel without changing the trim >> servo. Maybe someone else has a method to get more travel from the servo. >> >> >> good luck >> >> dave >> >> RV 7A >> >> Starting on the cowling >> >> >> On Aug 4, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Rafael wrote: >> >> >> Thanks again, John for your suggestion. >> >> >> I bent the rod a few degrees and that worked very well. It not only gave >> me >> good clearance, but I was also to correct for the slight miss-alignment. >> >> >> I now have another question: I measure a trim control of 20.6 degrees up >> trim max. and 23.2 degrees down trim max. Van's figures, on section 15: >> Flight Controls, call for Maximum up/down of 25-35 degrees. That implies >> to >> me that a minimum travel of 50 degrees is necessary. I'm getting 43.8 >> degrees, so there's no way to meet these numbers. It's all that the >> motor >> actuator will give. >> >> >> Any comments as to what's going on? >> >> >> Thanks and regards, >> >> >> Rafael >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rafael >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:58 PM >> Subject: RE: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> That makes a lot of sense. It's definitely less traumatic than removing >> al >> that aluminum. >> >> >> I'll try it. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Rafael >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:04 PM >> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging >> >> >> Dear Rafael, >> >> >> I had the same problem, till a more experienced builder told me to put a >> bend in the threaded rod. >> >> >> It will lift it just slightly and should give you a little more breathing >> room. >> >> Hope that works for you. Sorry I don't have a photo close by to send. >> >> >> John Brunke >> >> RV7 in progress >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: <mailto:rafael(at)gforcecable.com> Rafael >> >> >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 6:22 PM >> >> Subject: RV7-List: Elevator trim rigging >> >> >> Hi folks! >> >> >> I would appreciate some help. I'm trying to rig up the electric trim and >> find that I need to trim away quite a bit of metal to eliminate >> interference >> for the full down trim. >> >> >> I followed Van's instructions regarding the positioning of the trim motor >> mount. As you can see from the pictures, though still within the opening >> footprint, >> >> the actuating rod turned out pretty close to the inboard edge. (I >> thought >> about centering the mounts at the time, but decided to trust the plans.) >> >> >> After installing the trim system, there is a slight miss-alignment, but >> nothing that would cause stress in the system. I made some marks on the >> max, min, and half-way travel of the actuating rod. I then adjusted the >> length for no trim at the half-way point. >> >> >> What worries me most is the amount of metal I have to file out to prevent >> the actuating rod from contacting the elevator under max down trim. As >> you >> can see, I've already removed quite a bit of Aluminum. I hesitate to >> trim >> further without some reassurance. >> >> >> Van's builder's assistance is closed for the weekend, so I thought I >> would >> seek y'alls' help (I recently moved to Aiken, SC, and I'm learning the >> local >> grammar ;)) >> >> >> Thanks and best regards, >> >> >> Rafael >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/ >> Navigator?RV7-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List >> <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> >> --> <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 2 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> From: "Paul Walter" <pdwalter(at)bigpond.net.au> >> Subject: RV7-List: Titan >> >> I am considering a 180hp titan engine for my 7A. Can anyone on the list >> expand on these thoughts or provide me with positive/negative input on >> this range of engines. >> >> Thank you >> >> Paul Walter >> >> ________________________________ Message 3 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> From: Mark Taylor <mtaylo17(at)msn.com> >> Subject: RE: RV7-List: Titan >> >> I have a TMX IOF-360 from Mattituck with Titan cylinders. The rest of my >> en >> gine is Superior Air Parts. I'm up to 115 hours now, and they've been >> fine. >> My TBO is 2400hrs! >> >> Mark. >> >> >> From: pdwalter(at)bigpond.net.auTo: rv7-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RV7-List: >> T >> itanDate: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:03:16 +1000 >> >> >> I am considering a 180hp titan engine for my 7A. Can anyone on the list >> exp >> and on these thoughts or provide me with positive/negative input on this >> ra >> nge of engines. >> >> Thank you >> >> Paul Walter >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 4 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> From: Carlos A Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com> >> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Titan >> >> >> The guy to talk to is Robbie Attaway at www.attawayair.com. He's an RV6 >> builder and also a Titan engine builder. ou can see more on his site. >> He's built several engines for people such as Mark Chamberlain and >> Darwin Barrie (Phoenix area). I spoke with him a few months back after >> his EAA presentation about the engines. I was on the fence until I spoke >> with him about it. Now I'm just waiting (actually still building and >> saving) for ECi to come out with a stroked IO-360! Yeah baby! >> >> Carlos in AZ >> RV-7A >> N174PP reserved >> >> Paul Walter wrote: >>> I am considering a 180hp titan engine for my 7A. Can anyone on the >>> list expand on these thoughts or provide me with positive/negative >>> input on this range of engines. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Paul Walter >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2007
From: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf(at)online.no>
Subject: Elec trim with manual trimhorn
> > Hi all. > > Regarding the interference beetween the elec trimrod and elevator: I used the manual trimhorn instead of the electric one. > > The manual trimhorn is slightly bigger (comes with the emp kit I think) beacuse it''s a combined manual/elec trimhorn. > > By using the manual holes, the trimrod moves further away from the elevator skin. > > Also, the manual trimhorn used with elec trim will make the elec trim slightly less sensitive, which according to some other Norwegain RVators is a good thing. > > I don't know that, but I have not trimmed away the elec "eye" on the horn yet, because I'm planning to fly with both horns and trim away one of them after testflying. > > Just my 2-cents from Norway. > > regards Alf Olav Frog >

      
      
      
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From: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook(at)cox.net>
Subject: Trio A/P Servo Mounting
Date: Aug 13, 2007
I know I have asked this before and I put it off to work on other things. There are some builders that have mounted their Trio Servo's on the wing rib adjacent to the aileron belcrank, but those installations involved reinforcing the rib, etc. and I am not sure that is necessary or what I want to do. Has anyone mounted the servo on the web of the wing spar in the bay next to the aileron belcrank? I can't imagine that the four holes for some #6 screws and the eight #40 holes for the nutplates would weaken the structure any. Thoughts anyone? Scott R. Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Trio A/P Servo Mounting
Date: Aug 13, 2007
Scott I placed the servo on the web of the rib as you have described but I did put the servo on a .032 Al plate and used nut plates on the O/B side of the rib to screw it to. Like you I thought the web would be suffiecient ....but my motto throughout this project if I ever say "I THINK thids or that Might be OK" then I would always cal Van"s, Check my favorite builder web sites, ask the question as you have and ( time out of ten kicked it up a notch for safety. Frank @ SGU RV7A wiring.....engine on the test stand.....prop with UPS >From: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook(at)cox.net> >Reply-To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV7-List: Trio A/P Servo Mounting Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:45:00 >-0700 > >I know I have asked this before and I put it off to work on other things. > >There are some builders that have mounted their Trio Servo's on the wing >rib >adjacent to the aileron belcrank, but those installations involved >reinforcing the rib, etc. and I am not sure that is necessary or what I >want >to do. > >Has anyone mounted the servo on the web of the wing spar in the bay next to >the aileron belcrank? I can't imagine that the four holes for some #6 >screws and the eight #40 holes for the nutplates would weaken the structure >any. > >Thoughts anyone? > > >Scott R. Shook >RV-7A (Building) >N696JS (Reserved) > _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John McMahon" <rv6(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Trio A/P Servo Mounting
Date: Aug 13, 2007
Trio A/P Servo MountingI placed mine on the last rib of the wing,great for service.If ya need pic I can send it to ya.. John McMahon (RV6 180 CS) ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott R. Shook To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: RV7-List: Trio A/P Servo Mounting I know I have asked this before and I put it off to work on other things. There are some builders that have mounted their Trio Servo's on the wing rib adjacent to the aileron belcrank, but those installations involved reinforcing the rib, etc. and I am not sure that is necessary or what I want to do. Has anyone mounted the servo on the web of the wing spar in the bay next to the aileron belcrank? I can't imagine that the four holes for some #6 screws and the eight #40 holes for the nutplates would weaken the structure any. Thoughts anyone? Scott R. Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 13, 2007
From: andrew phillips <andrew.phillips(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Trio A/P Servo Mounting
I ordered an install kit from safeair...made the install real easy!!! John McMahon wrote: > I placed mine on the last rib of the wing,great for service.If ya > need pic > I can send it to ya.. > John McMahon (RV6 180 CS) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott R. Shook <mailto:sshook(at)cox.net> > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:45 PM > Subject: RV7-List: Trio A/P Servo Mounting > > I know I have asked this before and I put it off to work on other > things... > > There are some builders that have mounted their Trio Servo's on > the wing rib adjacent to the aileron belcrank, but those > installations involved reinforcing the rib, etc. and I am not sure > that is necessary or what I want to do. > > Has anyone mounted the servo on the web of the wing spar in the > bay next to the aileron belcrank? I can't imagine that the four > holes for some #6 screws and the eight #40 holes for the nutplates > would weaken the structure any. > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > Scott R. Shook > > RV-7A (Building) > > N696JS (Reserved) > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Pflimlin" <pablo(at)phonewave.net>
Subject: Re: Trio A/P Servo Mounting
Date: Aug 13, 2007
Trio A/P Servo MountingContact John Morgensen at john(at)morgensen.com he took some pictures just before we closed his wing. His Trio is on the spar next to the tip, simple and neat + easily removable.----- Original Message ----- From: Scott R. Shook To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: RV7-List: Trio A/P Servo Mounting I know I have asked this before and I put it off to work on other things. There are some builders that have mounted their Trio Servo's on the wing rib adjacent to the aileron belcrank, but those installations involved reinforcing the rib, etc. and I am not sure that is necessary or what I want to do. Has anyone mounted the servo on the web of the wing spar in the bay next to the aileron belcrank? I can't imagine that the four holes for some #6 screws and the eight #40 holes for the nutplates would weaken the structure any. Thoughts anyone? Scott R. Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FOR SALE RV-7 tail kit
From: "paulynn97" <paulynn97(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2007
I have a tail kit which I have not started. It is in perfect condition as received. Medical reasons require down shifting to LSA category building and flying. Waterloo, Iowa area. Asking $1000. Email paulynn97(at)yahoo.com or call 319-236-1416. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130054#130054 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2007
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS
Greetings: Have an '"older" empennage and instructions dating back to 1999. Understand RV-7, 8 and 9 have the same Vert Stabilizer. Is there anything in the "Newer Instructions" about about tapering (angling) the flanges of the VS Ribs to match the desired contour (taper) of the VS ??? Thanks, Garey ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Marvin Dorris Jr <medorrisjr(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS
Date: Sep 06, 2007
I think the only thing you should be doing to the flanges is making sure th ey are 90 degrees to the rib AND fluting them to make sure the ribs, laying flat, are parallel to the flat surface (no humps or "ski jumps", etc). No t sure what you mean by angling to match the contour of the VS. The VS sho uld take the contour of the rib. Maybe I'm missing something. Marvin > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:03:05 -0700> From: gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> S ubject: RV7-List: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS> To: rv7-list@m atronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv9-list(at)matronics.com> > --> RV7-Lis t message posted by: Garey Wittich > > Greeting s:> > Have an '"older" empennage and instructions dating> back to 1999. Und erstand RV-7, 8 and 9 have the same> Vert Stabilizer. Is there anything in the "Newer> Instructions" about about tapering (angling) the> flanges of th e VS Ribs to match the desired contour> (taper) of the VS ???> > Thanks, Ga ==============> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2007
From: Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS
You will need to change the angle of the flange slightly. When building mine, I determined that from the spar rearward, I would be good to go bending the flange at 90 degrees. From the spar forward, I used a flashlight shining through the skin onto the rib to see if I needed to open the bend slightly. If you see light between the rib and skin, open the bend at that point. Not much bend is needed, but I found a little helped a lot. Dave Nellis --- Marvin Dorris Jr wrote: > > I think the only thing you should be doing to the > flanges is making sure they are 90 degrees to the > rib AND fluting them to make sure the ribs, laying > flat, are parallel to the flat surface (no humps or > "ski jumps", etc). Not sure what you mean by > angling to match the contour of the VS. The VS > should take the contour of the rib. Maybe I'm > missing something. > Marvin > > > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:03:05 -0700> From: > gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> Subject: RV7-List: > FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS> To: > rv7-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com; > rv9-list(at)matronics.com> > --> RV7-List message > posted by: Garey Wittich > > > Greetings:> > Have > an '"older" empennage and instructions dating> back > to 1999. Understand RV-7, 8 and 9 have the same> > Vert Stabilizer. Is there anything in the "Newer> > Instructions" about about tapering (angling) the> > flanges of the VS Ribs to match the desired contour> > (taper) of the VS ???> > Thanks, Ga==============> > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Thomas Phy" <thomphy(at)msn.com>
Subject: Straight ribs
Date: Sep 07, 2007
Gary, On my first kit, I made a jig out of scrap wood I found. I copied mine from the one illustrated in one of the earlier RVater newsletters. This jig gets all of your flanges square to the rib, then you flute to make them flat. (Make sure you mark where your rivets are going so you don't have a flute where the rivet goes). Find a picture of this tool and make it! You have to do this to the wing ribs also. (The new kits come this way, YES!) Makes the job easy and fast! Anyone know which RVator it was in? Thomas Phy RV-7 Fuselage being worked on Rotary powered > > Greetings: > > Have an '"older" empennage and instructions dating > back to 1999. Understand RV-7, 8 and 9 have the same > Vert Stabilizer. Is there anything in the "Newer > Instructions" about about tapering (angling) the > flanges of the VS Ribs to match the desired contour > (taper) of the VS ??? > > Thanks, Garey > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums!
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From: "Don Hall" <dhall(at)donka.net>
Subject: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS
Date: Sep 11, 2007
No. The instructions don't say to match contour. 90 deg works. Matching the contour really comes into play on the fuse bulkheads.. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 fuselage http://rv7.donka.net ****************************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: RV7-List: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS --> Greetings: Have an '"older" empennage and instructions dating back to 1999. Understand RV-7, 8 and 9 have the same Vert Stabilizer. Is there anything in the "Newer Instructions" about about tapering (angling) the flanges of the VS Ribs to match the desired contour (taper) of the VS ??? Thanks, Garey ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Hall" <dhall(at)donka.net>
Subject: smoke system for rv7
Date: Sep 11, 2007
gonna do smoke in my -7. Any reference to a site with a good design for a -7? (I've seen smokingairplanes.com, which looks like a fantastic kit, but I'm not signing up for a tank in the baggage area.) Questions: - I know there are special hoses for oil, but for the main runs from a wing tank to the firewall, is aluminum ok? (same tube as for fuel) - what's the best spot for a p the pump be? mid wing? under the seat where the oil line comes in? For electrical - planning dedicated circuit/breaker, smoke arm and smoke on in panel, add'l smoke switch in stick. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 fuselage http://rv7.donka.net ****************************************** ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Allen Fulmer" <afulmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: smoke system for rv7
Date: Sep 11, 2007
Don, I, too, have always wanted smoke in my 7 but I went with the Smoking Airplanes 3.5 gal system. Since my "mission profile" is mainly cross country with my wife, I have the Classic Aero Designs interior package complete with baggage compartment carpets, side/rear panels, the works. I didn't want to have to worry about getting smoke oil all over that nice carpet plus I didn't want to be carrying the extra weight all the time (already going to be pretty heavy with full interior and a Subaru engine up front!) so I added some nut plates to the baggage compartment floor (a good reason to fasten the floor with screws rather than pop rivets) and attach the included brackets to the floor when smoke capability is desired. The smoke hose and electrical are designed to be easily disconnected so out it will come when the carpets need to go back in. Allen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Hall Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: RV7-List: smoke system for rv7 gonna do smoke in my -7. Any reference to a site with a good design for a -7? (I've seen smokingairplanes.com, which looks like a fantastic kit, but I'm not signing up for a tank in the baggage area.) Questions: - I know there are special hoses for oil, but for the main runs from a wing tank to the firewall, is aluminum ok? (same tube as for fuel) - what's the best spot for a p the pump be? mid wing? under the seat where the oil line comes in? For electrical - planning dedicated circuit/breaker, smoke arm and smoke on in panel, add'l smoke switch in stick. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 fuselage http://rv7.donka.net ****************************************** ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "J. Brunke" <jdoody727(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Full throttle concepts
Date: Oct 16, 2007
Dear RV listers, I ordered a tailwheel link and arm from Dave Czachorowski (full throttle concepts) back in May. Got both, but the control arm does not fit my RV7. I finally got a call from Dave two months ago and he said he would replace it. Since then he has not answered emails or phone calls nor have I received the new arm. I also told him I would be glad to send the old one back. Have any of you had contact with this guy? Sincerely, John Brunke RV7 Tip up in progress ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry & Cheryl McClure" <mcclures2(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Full throttle concepts
Date: Oct 20, 2007
Yes.. He processed and sent my fuel cap engravements in tow weeks.. Good service.. Larry McClure ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Brunke" <jdoody727(at)comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: RV7-List: Full throttle concepts > > Dear RV listers, > > I ordered a tailwheel link and arm from Dave Czachorowski (full throttle > concepts) back in May. Got both, but the control arm does not fit my > RV7. I finally got a call from Dave two months ago and he said he would > replace it. Since then he has > not answered emails or phone calls nor have I received the new arm. I > also told him I would be glad to send the old one back. > > Have any of you had contact with this guy? > > Sincerely, > John Brunke > RV7 Tip up in progress > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month!
Dear Listers, You've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or spam from any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. These include, for example: The Email List Postings - http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse The Email List Forum Site - http://forums.matronics.com The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search This is because I have always enjoyed a List experience that was completely about the sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising! But running a high performance, highly available service like this isn't free and a fair amount of money in terms of computer upgrades, business-class Internet connectivity, and electricity. Consequently, many similar sites turn to advertising to support these costs. Advertising that you have to look at each and every time you read an email message or browse the their web site. Rather than subject my List community to another constant commercial bombardment, I have chosen to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year in November to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services. It's solely through the Contributions of List members that the Lists and Forums continue to be possible! During the month, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message every few days and I ask for your patience and understanding during the month throughout these regular messages. Think of them as PBS' Pledge Breaks... :-) To minimize the impact of the Fund Raiser on the List community, I implemented a new feature late last year specifically related to making Contributions. If you are an Email List subscriber, once you make a Contribution using the online web site, you will no longer receive the email from me regarding the Fund Raiser! There are a couple of exceptions to this, however. If someone replies to a Contribution message I've sent, you might receive that. Additionally, the messages will always be posted to the Forums site. To a first order, however, once you make a Contribution, you won't get my email messages about the Fund Raiser for the rest of the month. For Contributions by check, the squelch will take effect once the check is received. There is a whole new line up of really great Contribution gifts this year! When you make a qualifying Contribution, you can select one of the many free gifts that are available during the Fund Raiser. These gifts are provided through the generous support of a number of our industry's leading supporters including: Bob Nuckolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com Andy Gold - Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com Please visit these guy's respective sites, as they have some great products to offer and are generously supporting the Matronics List Fund Raiser. You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. From the Contribution site, you can select any one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount. The Contribution page is pretty loooonnnnng this year in order to list great selection of great gifts available so be sure to scroll all the way to the bottom of the web page to see everything that's available! Please make a List Support Contribution: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous support! Your Contributions truely keep this operation afloat! Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tscaragol(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 01, 2007
Subject: Re: RV7-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/31/07
Please take me off your list. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 04, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser
Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. I've got a bunch of really nice incentive gifts this year. There's really something for everyone! Please make a Contribution today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Listers Are Saying...
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below. The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support of the List members. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List and Forums: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ================= What Listers Are Saying ================ Flying and building is much safer with this List!! Robert D. Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to all of us builders and flyers. Wayne E. Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising! Peter J. ..a great resource!! Robert C. Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right up to date with what's going on. Chris D. The web forum has been running great. James O. I enjoy this [List] site very much... Paul C. This is a great list! Albert G. ..a valuable resource! Roger C. I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind! Gregory C. ..fantastic service! Roger M. ..clearly a work of passion! Mike C. It is a great service to us! Kevin C. The list is a wonderful resource... Ralph O. [The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in building my RV-9A and now my RV-10. Albert G. ..a valuable and always improving service. Dick S. STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!! Owen B. ..such a valuable tool. Jon M. [The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me as a Zenith homebuilder. David G. The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other interesting builders and to make some new friends is truly appreciated. Albert G. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: New Product Information- Safety-Trim
Date: Nov 08, 2007
Fellow RV Builders, This is a cross posted message to make you aware of an important new product for our RV's. I'm an RV-10 Builder and normally post on that email list, however this product applies to all RVs. TCW Technologies has introduced a series of new electronic servo controllers specifically designed for the Ray Allen series of trim servos used in our RV aircraft. This new series of controllers is called Safety-Trim and provides many features not previously available. Safety-Trim prevents trim run-away conditions by providing a time limited servo operation with each activation of a trim switch. Safety-Trim additionally provides speed control and simplified trim switch wiring. Safety-Trim works on both 12 and 24 volt systems and is short circuit and reverse polarity protected. Additionally, models are available that provide 2 speed preset operation of the trim system. Allowing fast responding trim at slow airspeeds and slow responding trim at cruise airspeeds. To learn all about this innovative new product please visit www.tcwtech.com Thank you, Bob Newman RV-10 40176 TCW Technologies rnewman(at)tcwtech.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet!
:-) Dear Listers, If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! Implemented for the first time last year, the Matronics system selectively sends out the Contribution messages to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-) You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox! I wanted to implement something like this for a number of years, but it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally last year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working system! I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered up. I run ALL of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site. If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [Please note the following regarding the selective posting system. There are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. These situations include if someone replies to one of the messages, or when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. Since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve carlson" <scbt(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RV 10
Date: Nov 10, 2007
I've owned 4 RV's and presently have a 10 I love flying. The problem is that I have a new job and the airplane sits. I'd like to sell it, or, preferably, trade for a 7A or 9A plus cash. It's a beautiful 2006 IFR certified 10, dual Cheltons, etc. The panel can be seen at steinair.com - customer panels - Jim Sinkbeil and Jim Otey. Pictures and specs on request. Thanks. Steve Carlson Spokane, Wa. (509) 534-5967 scbt(at)comcast.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam...
Dear Listers, Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter. The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering. A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back to "normal". There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send out a follow up post mortem on the event... November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net>
Subject: Sensenich Prop and finished, painted Van's RV spinner for sale
Date: Nov 11, 2007
I recently replaced my Sensenich 72FM8S9-1-84 on my RV-8A with a Hartzell prop. I'm selling the Sensenich prop, prop spacer, prop bolts, spinner and spinner SS hardware as a package. Here are the details: Sensenich 72FM8S9-1-84 Prop. 350 hours total on my RV-8A (O-360 A1A). I bought it new from Van's. It is in perfect condition, never hit, never anything, The package includes everything to bolt on the prop and spinner on any RV. The spinner was painted when I did the plane, 'Midnight Pearl Blue" using PPG base cost/clear coat. If you don't like the color, repaint is easy as all the pin hole work is done. The spinner hardware consists of #8 SS flat head screws and #6 SS tinnermans drilled out and re-dimpled to #8 screw. I found using the smaller tinnermans allow for much cleaner, flush fit along the contour of the spinner. Package price: $1400 Carl Froehlich 540 371-8482 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List of Contributors
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by popping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Russell Lassetter" <rblassett(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Construction/Restoration
Date: Nov 14, 2007
Hello all, I would like to offer my aircraft construction/restoration services to the group. I have a 40' X 60' hangar in NE Georgia and have a lifetime of experience with various aircraft. I can construct large projects for $15.00 per hour with first-class workmanship. Please email me directly or give me a call. Russ Lassetter 202 Aviation Blvd. Cleveland, GA 30528 706-348-7514 rblassett(at)alltel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Value of the List...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do... :-) Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the Lists? Contribution Page: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution too! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: O-360 A1-G6 on a -6 or -7??
Has anyone successfully used an O-360 A1-G6 in its stock form on a -6 or-7? This engine has a horizontal carb mounted to the back side (not bottom) of the sump. The carb is about 7" long, so it will almost touch the firewall. An additional recess, similar to the governor recess, would be required to get air to the carb. Thanks, Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: O-360 A1-G6 on a -6 or -7??
Date: Nov 19, 2007
From: rikvincent(at)aol.com
Mine is a B1E which is also a rear draft. I changed the sump to a down draft so I could use all the standard stuff, air intake cable mounts ect. -----Original Message----- From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 5:21 pm Subject: RV7-List: O-360 A1-G6 on a -6 or -7?? ? Has anyone successfully used an O-360 A1-G6 in its stock form on a -6 or-7? This engine has a horizontal carb mounted to the back side (not bottom) of the sump. The carb is about 7" long, so it will almost touch the firewall. An additional recess, similar to the governor recess, would be required to get air to the carb.? ? Thanks,? ? Charlie? ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: O-360 A1-G6 on a -6 or -7??
I don't have my finish kit yet. Do you know if the motor mount tube that ties the tops of the two gear towers (-7 tail dragger) interferes with the carb?I talked to Van's tech help today & they said no problem on dishing the lower firewall between the angles, but they didn't say whether the mount cross-tube would hit the carb in its stock position. Assuming that I change the sump & intake tubes, will I have to change the oil pickup tube also? Thanks, rikvincent(at)aol.com wrote: > Mine is a B1E which is also a rear draft. I changed the sump to a down > draft so I could use all the standard stuff, air intake cable mounts ect. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 5:21 pm > Subject: RV7-List: O-360 A1-G6 on a -6 or -7?? > > > > > Has anyone successfully used an O-360 A1-G6 in its stock form on a -6 > or-7? This engine has a horizontal carb mounted to the back side (not > bottom) of the sump. The carb is about 7" long, so it will almost touch > the firewall. An additional recess, similar to the governor recess, > would be required to get air to the carb. > > Thanks, > > Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: O-360 A1-G6 on a -6 or -7??
Date: Nov 19, 2007
From: rikvincent(at)aol.com
the sump is the same size it didnt interfear with the pickup -----Original Message----- From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 5:11 pm Subject: Re: RV7-List: O-360 A1-G6 on a -6 or -7?? ? I don't have my finish kit yet. Do you know if the motor mount tube that ?ties the tops of the two gear towers (-7 tail dragger) interferes with the carb?I talked to Van's tech help today & they said no problem on dishing the lower firewall between the angles, but they didn't say whether the mount cross-tube would hit the carb in its stock position.? ? Assuming that I change the sump & intake tubes, will I have to change the oil pickup tube also?? ? Thanks,? ? rikvincent(at)aol.com wrote:? > Mine is a B1E which is also a rear draft. I changed the sump to a down > draft so I could use all the standard stuff, air intake cable mounts ect.? > > > -----Original Message-----? > From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>? > To: undisclosed-recipients:;? > Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 5:21 pm? > Subject: RV7-List: O-360 A1-G6 on a -6 or -7??? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser...
Dear Listers, Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience over the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists. I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a number of file formats including pictures and PDFs. Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the data you're looking for. And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files (http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share ( http://wiki.matronics.com ). I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally, the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year, accounting for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_! I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message, Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites. The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual List Fund Raiser! List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Are You Thankful For...?
Dear Listers, Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed upon us. Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like, "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!! Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for their continued operation and upgrade? The List Contribution Site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Norman Stapelberg" <norshel(at)mweb.co.za>
Subject: Manual needed for Transponder
Date: Nov 22, 2007
I have got a Bendix / King KT76A , I am now in need of a manual. I tried surfing the net but have been unsuccessful, maybe someone out there can help. Thanks Norman Stapelberg South Africa RV7 Fuselage 70% ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Manual needed for Transponder
Date: Nov 22, 2007
From: "Streiker, Stephen D." <steve(at)streiker.com>
Good morning and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Hopefully somebody on the list will offer you a photocopy - but if that doesn't work - the friendly folks at Bendix/King in Olathe, Kansas (google for their customer service number in Olathe) are very helpful and likely can get you the appropriate documentation for anything made by King or Bendix/King. Steve Stephen (Steve) Streiker | Los Angeles, CA - Planning for tailkit RV7 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman Stapelberg Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:21 AM Subject: RV7-List: Manual needed for Transponder I have got a Bendix / King KT76A , I am now in need of a manual. I tried surfing the net but have been unsuccessful, maybe someone out there can help. Thanks Norman Stapelberg South Africa RV7 Fuselage 70% ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Allen Murray" <allenmurray(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Manual needed for Transponder
Date: Nov 23, 2007
Do you need the pilot's handbook or the installation manual? I may have the pilot one- I'll check in the A/C for it. If that's all you need I can copy and send it to you. Allen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman Stapelberg Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: RV7-List: Manual needed for Transponder I have got a Bendix / King KT76A , I am now in need of a manual. I tried surfing the net but have been unsuccessful, maybe someone out there can help. Thanks Norman Stapelberg South Africa RV7 Fuselage 70% ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <colfearnow(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/22/07
Date: Nov 23, 2007
Stephen, I flew to Muncie, IN to the local avionics shop located on the airport...Muncie Aviation. Their avionics shop was good enough to provide the schematics and ops manual for the KT-76A. Ofcourse I purchased a used unit from them along with a 30k (altitude) encoder for the unit. A friend of mine wired the encoder harness for me and I did the unit harness from the schematics obtained. I don't know of any repair/maintenance manuals that may be available (parts list, unit testing, bench testing procedures, etc.). I'm sure your local avionics shop may have access to the info and/or data thru the manufacturer (Bendix King?). Ron F. -7A, baffling ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV7-List Digest Server" <rv7-list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Friday, 23 November, 2007 2:58 AM Subject: RV7-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/22/07 > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV7-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV7-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-11-22&Archive=RV7 > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-11-22&Archive=RV7 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV7-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Thu 11/22/07: 3 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 0. 12:23 AM - What Are You Thankful For...? (Matt Dralle) > 1. 11:23 AM - Manual needed for Transponder (Norman Stapelberg) > 2. 11:57 AM - Re: Manual needed for Transponder (Streiker, Stephen > D.) > > > ________________________________ Message 0 > _____________________________________ > > > From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> > Subject: RV7-List: What Are You Thankful For...? > > > Dear Listers, > > Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. > Many > of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in > generous > feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been > bestowed > upon us. > > Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful > they are > for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all > of the > assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. > One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something > like, > "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning > coffee!". > That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. > Its > always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each > morning > to check my List email!! > > Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists > and for > their continued operation and upgrade? > > The List Contribution Site is: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Norman Stapelberg" <norshel(at)mweb.co.za> > Subject: RV7-List: Manual needed for Transponder > > > I have got a Bendix / King KT76A , I am now in need of a manual. I tried > surfing the net but have been unsuccessful, maybe someone out there can > help. > > > Thanks > > > Norman Stapelberg > > South Africa > > RV7 > > Fuselage 70% > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Subject: RE: RV7-List: Manual needed for Transponder > From: "Streiker, Stephen D." <steve(at)streiker.com> > > > Good morning and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. > > Hopefully somebody on the list will offer you a photocopy - but if that > doesn't work - the friendly folks at Bendix/King in Olathe, Kansas > (google for their customer service number in Olathe) are very helpful > and likely can get you the appropriate documentation for anything made > by King or Bendix/King. > > Steve > > > Stephen (Steve) Streiker | Los Angeles, CA - Planning for tailkit RV7 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman > Stapelberg > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:21 AM > Subject: RV7-List: Manual needed for Transponder > > > I have got a Bendix / King KT76A , I am now in need of a manual. I tried > surfing the net but have been unsuccessful, maybe someone out there can > help. > > > Thanks > > > Norman Stapelberg > > South Africa > > RV7 > > Fuselage 70% > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Comments
Dear Listers, Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their Contributions in support of the Lists this year. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. Remember, there is _no advertising budget_ to keep these Lists funded. It is solely through your generosity that they continue. Please make a Contribution: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ------------------------------What Listers Are Saying------------------------------ The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701. George R Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us to gather and share knowledge. Neal G What a fantastic resource! Ralph C It's a pretty cheep troubleshooting tool with and unlimited resource of personal knowledge. Bruce G A full house of Info & Ideas... Ellery B I really enjoy the Piet list. Steven D The Lists are an indispensable resource for those of us building OBAM aircraft. Bret S ..a great service. Frank D ..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific questions. Richard S Your list has really helped me in my first build. Michael W Always a pleasure to support this great resource... Richard W I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial. Bob L Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers. Ellery B Your lists are a great service to builders and owners! Richard D A real good place for someone that is starting to get interested into flying without investing any money at first. Ellery B The list has been an great help to my building process. David B I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and the Zenith List. Jeff D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitlog Pro ??
At 10:14 AM 11/25/2007 Sunday, Bill Schlatterer wrote: >Did I see where Kitlog Pro was sold to someone and they have taken over support? I am running Version 1.7.3 and wondering if there is a more current (usable) version available? > >Thanks > >Bill S >7a Ark Yes, last January, Matronics acquired the Kitlog Pro software product and has taken over all support and distribution of the package. Yes, there is a major upgrade available from the Version 1.7.3. This is Version 2.0 and it can be downloaded from the Kitlog website. The upgrade is $9.95 and well worth the cost, in my opinion. There are many new features in the 2.0 release, including the ability to upload your project to the www.mykitlog.com web site to display your project status. This is a free service and comes with the purchase of Kitlog 2.0. Here is a link to the MyKitlog web site for reference: http://www.mykitlog.com All of the pages found here were uploaded by Kitlog Pro 2.0 owners. When Kitlog Pro acquired by Matronics last January, a Version 2.1 update (as oppose to an upgrade) was nearing completion by the third party development team. The update at that time included a number of minor bug fixes and some significant enhancements to the Expenses log. It was decided to postpone the release of that 2.1 release in favor of adding significant additional functionality. This development has been progressing nicely and customers will be very pleased with the functional improvements. There are still a number of new functionalities to be finished before the 2.1 update will be available. I can't comment specifically when the new 2.1 update will be available, but we're hoping in the next few months. In the meantime, Kitlog Version 2.0 is available for download via the Kitlog web site and and can also be obtained on CD from most Homebuilt suppliers. Upgrades from Kitlog 1.x to Kitlog 2.0 are available directly from the Kitlog web site only. http://www.kitlog.com (look for the "downloads" link) Once again, to clarify, the current Kitlog Version is 2.0. There will be a forthcoming update to 2.1 that will be FREE for all existing 2.0 customers. Customers with Kitlog 1.x are required to purchase an upgrade to 2.x for a nominal fee of $9.95. For existing 2.0 customers, Kitlog will automatically notify the user when the Version 2.1 update becomes available. We have been really enjoying the new Kitlog Pro business and have been learning a great deal about what builders like and don't like, We are working hard to incorporate this into future versions, and this has been the primary delay in the release of the 2.1 update. If you have any specific questions regarding Kitlog, please direct them to our support email address: support(at)kitlog.com Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics / Kitlog Pro Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitlog Pro ??
Date: Nov 25, 2007
Thanks that answers the question. I'll try the upgrade and see if that solves a couple of my issues. Thanks Bill S -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: RV7-List: Re: Kitlog Pro ?? At 10:14 AM 11/25/2007 Sunday, Bill Schlatterer wrote: >Did I see where Kitlog Pro was sold to someone and they have taken over support? I am running Version 1.7.3 and wondering if there is a more current (usable) version available? > >Thanks > >Bill S >7a Ark Yes, last January, Matronics acquired the Kitlog Pro software product and has taken over all support and distribution of the package. Yes, there is a major upgrade available from the Version 1.7.3. This is Version 2.0 and it can be downloaded from the Kitlog website. The upgrade is $9.95 and well worth the cost, in my opinion. There are many new features in the 2.0 release, including the ability to upload your project to the www.mykitlog.com web site to display your project status. This is a free service and comes with the purchase of Kitlog 2.0. Here is a link to the MyKitlog web site for reference: http://www.mykitlog.com All of the pages found here were uploaded by Kitlog Pro 2.0 owners. When Kitlog Pro acquired by Matronics last January, a Version 2.1 update (as oppose to an upgrade) was nearing completion by the third party development team. The update at that time included a number of minor bug fixes and some significant enhancements to the Expenses log. It was decided to postpone the release of that 2.1 release in favor of adding significant additional functionality. This development has been progressing nicely and customers will be very pleased with the functional improvements. There are still a number of new functionalities to be finished before the 2.1 update will be available. I can't comment specifically when the new 2.1 update will be available, but we're hoping in the next few months. In the meantime, Kitlog Version 2.0 is available for download via the Kitlog web site and and can also be obtained on CD from most Homebuilt suppliers. Upgrades from Kitlog 1.x to Kitlog 2.0 are available directly from the Kitlog web site only. http://www.kitlog.com (look for the "downloads" link) Once again, to clarify, the current Kitlog Version is 2.0. There will be a forthcoming update to 2.1 that will be FREE for all existing 2.0 customers. Customers with Kitlog 1.x are required to purchase an upgrade to 2.x for a nominal fee of $9.95. For existing 2.0 customers, Kitlog will automatically notify the user when the Version 2.1 update becomes available. We have been really enjoying the new Kitlog Pro business and have been learning a great deal about what builders like and don't like, We are working hard to incorporate this into future versions, and this has been the primary delay in the release of the 2.1 update. If you have any specific questions regarding Kitlog, please direct them to our support email address: support(at)kitlog.com Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics / Kitlog Pro Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published Dec
1! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all? Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle?
Dear Listers, Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in computer networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web development and CGI design during that time, along with some embedded system development as well. I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few. For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter, a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet connection with full static addressing. The computer servers found here include a quad-processor Xeon Linux server for List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the email processing List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage! This entire system is protected by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One month last Summer, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone! I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer Center for the Matronics Email Lists. Last year I added another rack to house the MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the first rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition of the second rack: http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister. But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you... and YOU! To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running! Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these Lists! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) There are some great gifts available with qualifying Contribution levels too! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Wow! A Ton of Comments!
Dear Listers, I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions lately! I've shared a bunch more below. Please read over some of them and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums. There are just a couple more days left before the official end of this year's Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation of these services. There are still lots of awesome gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution. http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists ----------- In the big picture, you are most certainly saving lives. The fact that you do it at a very good level of service, quality, and simplicity is just icing on the cake. We all owe you a debt of gratitude. Bruce M Can't go a single day without reading my lists. Even when I am overseas. Terry W Best list ever. No comparison. Johann J I get the digest for the two lists I subscribe to each morning -- they go great with my coffee! I can't tell you how much I've learned from this great service... Mark S ..great lists, best on the Net! Robert S It is very nice to enjoy a SPAM free list. Ken L You run a great list. Makes a builder feel like there's lots of help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated. Steve T The list is a very valuable resource. Thomas S You run a good list. James G Thanks for a great forum. Jimmy Y Thanks for a well-maintained list(s). Michael M Great job! Worth every penny! Stephen T Helps me learn and think about issues I didn't know I didn't know. Martin H I find the list very useful... Robert F What you do provides me with daily contact with a passion of my life, aviation. Wendell M ..the list it is very valuable information. Dwayne H ..a great service to homebuilders. Andrew H I have learned quite a lot from reading the Forums. I have been reading at the forum pages and I like the way it works. Ron L [The List] makes a builder feel like there's lots of help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated. Steve T The list service many purposes, not the least of which is motivation to join my fellow RVer in completing my project and getting in the air. John S Thanks for running a great site. Its simplicity is its greatness. Don't know how I would have been successful without it. Timothy F ..terrific service to experimental and general aviation. James F You have a well run operation. I am happy to support what you do. Mark S A wonderful service to the GA community. David M Great list - let's keep it ad-free! Ben C They have been of great help, learning and friendship for all the members Worldwide. Great job of yours, a little idea that grew really big and wonderful. Gary G ..a thoroughly enjoyable and informative List. John W A GREAT LEARNING TOOL!! Dwayne Y This is a very well-run list and it is a valuable resource for the Pietenpol enthusiast. Graham H Thanks for running this great site - helps those of us on the east of the pond keep in touch. Malcolm H Thanks for the major contribution to my continuing education program. Oldbob S I'm just getting started in the building process & find Matronics to be the most valuable site. Scott D Without the information and encouragement from the listers my project would have been sitting in the corner of my shop collecting dust long ago. Now it's almost ready for final assemble and covering. Edward G Great List. No Ads, just RV-10 builders. Keep it going. Rick E Wonderful source of info for building & flying... Graham H The Yak-list is a superb single source to get answers to questions on the operation of these aircraft. Craig W This list is valuable to everyone and your hard work is very much appreciated. Jim S ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two Days Left...
Dear Listers, There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all, participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-) Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Norman Stapelberg" <norshel(at)mweb.co.za>
Subject: Manual needed for Transponder
Date: Nov 29, 2007
Hi Allen I have been sent the manuals, thanks to all who responded been busy in the hangar on the RV, sorry I am only responding now the boss has had me working for a change. Regards Norman -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Murray Sent: 23 November 2007 03:25 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: Manual needed for Transponder Do you need the pilot's handbook or the installation manual? I may have the pilot one- I'll check in the A/C for it. If that's all you need I can copy and send it to you. Allen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman Stapelberg Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: RV7-List: Manual needed for Transponder I have got a Bendix / King KT76A , I am now in need of a manual. I tried surfing the net but have been unsuccessful, maybe someone out there can help. Thanks Norman Stapelberg South Africa RV7 Fuselage 70% ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it off, then now is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! Rather than the guy that, er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-) I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone will feel the same. The List Contribution page is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 06, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors
Dear Listers, I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser underscores the great sentiments people have made regarding the Lists. If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on the Contribution site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated! And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2007 List of Contributors current as of 12/6/07! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU! http://www.matronics.com/loc/2007.html I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Allen Fulmer" <afulmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings?
Date: Dec 08, 2007
When plumbing ASI, ALT, AHRS, etc. with Ny-Loc fittings, do we use anything on the pipe threads? Teflon tape, EZ-turn lubricant, etc.? TIA, Allen Fulmer RV7 Avionics and wiring Eggenfellner Subaru E6T on hand N808AF reserved Alexander City, AL 256-329-2001 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net" <jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Dec 09, 2007
Subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P -mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comment s about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input . Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career trai ning today. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4uIjgjRJHmn43FHqJ3r orVyWZ0zFhoAUJUsZnhT3hCTzCKDN/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2007
From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Jason, I have one of each, I have them installed, I have not run the engine yet. Your Tach may have to be recalibrated to run on an electronic mag. I like the way they look. I like the way they installed. I followed Emagair's wiring instructions and it was simple. I have heard the same about the reliability but I think that was with earlier models. I will be interested to follow this thread. Hope some others chime in. How about you Mr. Repucci? Mike Ice Baffling my way through the baffles and cowl install. ----- Original Message ----- From: jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tad Sargent" <Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Date: Dec 09, 2007
I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2222/fc/Ioyw6i4uIjgjRJHmn43FHqJ3rorV yWZ0zFhoAUJUsZnhT3hCTzCKDN/> career training today. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 09, 2007
From: andrew phillips <andrew.phillips(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings?
These are under very low pressure so I used just a little teflon tape (probably could get away with nothing). Some quick release fittings that came in a kit I bought had the tape already on them too. Allen Fulmer wrote: > >When plumbing ASI, ALT, AHRS, etc. with Ny-Loc fittings, do we use anything >on the pipe threads? Teflon tape, EZ-turn lubricant, etc.? > >TIA, > >Allen Fulmer >RV7 Avionics and wiring >Eggenfellner Subaru E6T on hand >N808AF reserved >Alexander City, AL >256-329-2001 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 09, 2007
From: "Charles Reiche" <reichec(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings?
I just did a pitot-static inspection on a new g100 cessna 172 yesterday and there were leaks everywhere.... check the pipe thread segment of your connections that go into the instrument for what i will call "crappy manufacturing" These little suckers are molded and sometimes are left with a flash line that runs down the thread. I took out all the instruments that were easy to get at and put teflon tape on the fittings, finally getting the leak rate down to about 80ft/min at 1000' above my field elevation. Good enough! I have also heard or using DC-4 silicone lubricant instead of the EZ-turn honey like stuff that can just lead to a mess. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew phillips" <andrew.phillips(at)sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? > > > These are under very low pressure so I used just a little teflon tape > (probably could get away with nothing). Some quick release fittings that > came in a kit I bought had the tape already on them too. > > Allen Fulmer wrote: > >> >>When plumbing ASI, ALT, AHRS, etc. with Ny-Loc fittings, do we use >>anything >>on the pipe threads? Teflon tape, EZ-turn lubricant, etc.? >> >>TIA, >> >>Allen Fulmer >>RV7 Avionics and wiring >>Eggenfellner Subaru E6T on hand >>N808AF reserved >>Alexander City, AL >>256-329-2001 >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "J. Brunke" <jdoody727(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Date: Dec 09, 2007
Tad, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power source? There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from searching on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well taken care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product is very important to me. The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). Happy building, John Brunke RV7, tip-up in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: E-Mag
Date: Dec 09, 2007
I believe most of the early problems have been worked out. I had some early version of the E and Pmags. I have had 4 failures in the first 250 hours. Two of them were mechanical in nature when a magnet housing came loose inside. As a result they have modified the method the magnet is secured. The other two were another issue that also has been corrected. I have the latest and greatest versions now. In each case I used the switch to isolate the offending mag and operate the remainder of the flight on the good mag. I did not feel my safety was in jeopardy in any way. If so I wouldn't be using them. If you are going to have a mag problem at least these are really simple to work on. I can remove and replace in less than an hour. The performance is excellent. Starts are instantaneous and everything runs very smooth. I have no imperical evidence but I believe the Pmags give a little power boost. The fact of the Experimental world is that we, the end user, do most of the testing on new products. This allows us to get exceptional products at much lower costs than the Certified world. The Pmags are no exception. I have confidence in the product. The company support is incredible. Brad and Tom are committed to putting out the best possible product. Yeah there were some issues, but I think they may have the bulk of them solved. Many ignition systems have had problems. They just don't get the press that newest kid on the block is getting when something does go wrong. Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler, AZ RV7 N 717EE ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ceengland(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure)
Date: Dec 09, 2007
Any -7 tipup builders out there that just received their finish kit? I'm working on the front deck of the fuse & I'd like to fit the F-643-1 center channel, but it butts against a flange of the F697 hat section & this piece is included in the finish kit, not the fuse kit. Can someone measure the material thickness of the F697 for me? Thanks, Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tad Sargent" <Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Date: Dec 09, 2007
Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several months with updated software systems. "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip) Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time. You asked for observations and comments. Regards, Tad _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Tad, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power source? There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from searching on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well taken care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product is very important to me. The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). Happy building, John Brunke RV7, tip-up in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad <mailto:Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> Sargent Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2222/fc/Ioyw6i4uIjgjRJHmn43FHqJ3rorV yWZ0zFhoAUJUsZnhT3hCTzCKDN/> career training today. http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TimUK(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 09, 2007
Subject: Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure)
Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of the construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I THINK its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $ 9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit. Tim **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net>
Subject: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure)
Date: Dec 09, 2007
Be careful about installing it now. It turns out there some reasons it ships with the finishing kit. I can't exactly remember what they are now (of course), but there are nutplates that need to be installed, cutouts thta need to be made.. that require the rest of the tip-up release parts in place etc. I stuck mine on there early, then had to drill it out. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TimUK(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of the construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I THINK its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $ 9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit. Tim hottest products and top money wasters <http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop000 30000000002> of 2007. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "J. Brunke" <jdoody727(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Date: Dec 09, 2007
Hey Tad, I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of business. This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to you was about the second power source. Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing. John Brunke ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several months with updated software systems. "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip) Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time. You asked for observations and comments. Regards, Tad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Tad, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power source? There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from searching on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well taken care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product is very important to me. The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). Happy building, John Brunke RV7, tip-up in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV7-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stan" <bahrns(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Date: Dec 09, 2007
Jason, I have one of each as well. I had the earlier ser'#s when I installed them. They worked very well but I went ahead & sent them in when they came out with the update. They promptly sent them back with the updates & have performed perfectly. They are very easy to install & time & the engine seems to start instantly & idle smoother than the standard mags. With both emags firing & on 0 degrees before top dead center the engine almost starts immediately. I am very happy with mine & I think you will be as well. Thanks, Stan Bahrns RV7-A (70) hrs stanb(at)bahrns.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael T. Ice Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 12:17 AM To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Jason, I have one of each, I have them installed, I have not run the engine yet. Your Tach may have to be recalibrated to run on an electronic mag. I like the way they look. I like the way they installed. I followed Emagair's wiring instructions and it was simple. I have heard the same about the reliability but I think that was with earlier models. I will be interested to follow this thread. Hope some others chime in. How about you Mr. Repucci? Mike Ice Baffling my way through the baffles and cowl install. ----- Original Message ----- From: jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. 11:06 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 09, 2007
From: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had some emails back and forth with Dan C. and he sold me on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way! Darrell --- "J. Brunke" wrote: > Hey Tad, > > I was not putting down the light speed at all. > It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be > out of business. > > This question was put forth by another lister. My > only question to you was about the second power > source. > > Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing. > > John Brunke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tad Sargent > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > Your question tells me your mind is made up. As > in any man made device it is subject to failure, but > a double failure in your electrical system. What > are the chances your battery and your alternator > system fail at the same time. I am using one mag > and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use > Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy > you pay your money then go from there. The failures > I spoke about were within the last several months > with updated software systems. > > > > "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." > > > > "I just wanted solid state reliability and having > the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards > the P-mags. > > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, > seemed to > > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." > (snip) > > > > Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? > > > > You did not mention a performance gain with > P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and > cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time. > > > > You asked for observations and comments. > > > > Regards, > > Tad > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of J. Brunke > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > > Tad, > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the > Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power > source? > > > > There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. > Yes there were software problems in the beginning, > but from searching > > on the web I found that the manufacturers did a > good job of standing behind their product and have > pretty well taken > > care of the problems. Knowing that someone will > stand behind their product is very important to me. > > > > The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. > > > > I just wanted solid state reliability and having > the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards > the P-mags. > > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, > seemed to > > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). > > > > Happy building, > > John Brunke > > RV7, tip-up in progress > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tad Sargent > > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM > > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > > I know of two instances first hand. Both > installs began acceptably then both died. I know > this is a short answer but I would go with either > Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. > > I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I > am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the > idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win > the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts > and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work > on them should you need to have them looked at. As > for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I > don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does > not require it. Your car is set up much like the > lightspeed ignition. > > Your milage may vary > > Tad Sargent > > 7A > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > > I am about ready to order my engine and > considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of > slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has > comments about how they like them and if they have > had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend > and they said they heard that they have had some > bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would > aprreciate any input. > > Thanks, > > Jason > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Earn your associate's criminal justice degree > and start your career training today. > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ceengland(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure)
Date: Dec 09, 2007
Thanks for the warning, but I don't intend to rivet anything yet. I just want to drill the F643-1 to the top skin & fit/drill the angle that ties it to the firewall, before I disassemble all that structure between the instrument panel & firewall. I just want to make a temporary shim the same thickness as the F697's flange so the F643-1 will be properly positioned before I drill it to the skin. Charlie -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> > > Be careful about installing it now. It turns out there some reasons it ships > with the finishing kit. I can't exactly remember what they are now (of > course), but there are nutplates that need to be installed, cutouts thta > need to be made.. that require the rest of the tip-up release parts in > place etc. I stuck mine on there early, then had to drill it out. > > _____ > > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TimUK(at)aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:52 AM > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) > > > Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of the > construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I THINK > its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $ > 9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit. > Tim > > > > hottest products and top money wasters > <http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop000 > 30000000002> of 2007. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2007
Subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Since some early issues the E/Pmag combo has been fault free for about 180 hours. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Reiley Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability --> I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had some emails back and forth with Dan C. and he sold me on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way! Darrell --- "J. Brunke" wrote: > Hey Tad, > > I was not putting down the light speed at all. > It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of business. > > This question was put forth by another lister. My > only question to you was about the second power source. > > Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing. > > John Brunke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tad Sargent > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made > device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your > electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your > alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one > lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think > in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The > failures I spoke about were within the last several months with > updated software systems. > > > "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." > > > "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to > use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. > > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to > > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." > (snip) > > > Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? > > > You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are > self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very > long time. > > > You asked for observations and comments. > > > Regards, > > Tad > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > Tad, > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the > Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power > source? > > > There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. > Yes there were software problems in the beginning, > but from searching > > on the web I found that the manufacturers did a > good job of standing behind their product and have > pretty well taken > > care of the problems. Knowing that someone will > stand behind their product is very important to me. > > > The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. > > > I just wanted solid state reliability and having > the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards > the P-mags. > > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, > seemed to > > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). > > > Happy building, > > John Brunke > > RV7, tip-up in progress > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tad Sargent > > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM > > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > I know of two instances first hand. Both > installs began acceptably then both died. I know > this is a short answer but I would go with either > Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. > > I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I > am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the > idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win > the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts > and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work > on them should you need to have them looked at. As > for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I > don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does > not require it. Your car is set up much like the > lightspeed ignition. > > Your milage may vary > > Tad Sargent > > 7A > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > I am about ready to order my engine and > considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of > slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has > comments about how they like them and if they have > had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend > and they said they heard that they have had some > bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would > aprreciate any input. > > Thanks, > > Jason > > _____________________________________________________________ > Earn your associate's criminal justice degree > and start your career training today. > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tad Sargent" <Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Date: Dec 09, 2007
No red seeing here, just what I see. I think a second power source is not necessary but others may disagree. All my best, Tad _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 5:05 PM Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Hey Tad, I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of business. This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to you was about the second power source. Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing. John Brunke ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad <mailto:Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> Sargent Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several months with updated software systems. "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip) Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time. You asked for observations and comments. Regards, Tad _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Tad, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power source? There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from searching on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well taken care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product is very important to me. The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). Happy building, John Brunke RV7, tip-up in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad <mailto:Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> Sargent Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2222/fc/Ioyw6i4uIjgjRJHmn43FHqJ3rorV yWZ0zFhoAUJUsZnhT3hCTzCKDN/> career training today. http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 10, 2007
From: Lincoln Keill <airlincoln(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Van's comm copper foil antenna
Is anyone successfully using Van's copper foil VHF Comm antenna that mounts on the windshield? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Crawford" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Van's comm copper foil antenna
Date: Dec 10, 2007
When I bought my RV7 from the builder it had one of those installed and it worked great. I removed it for cosmetic reasons and it does not have a ground plane so it will not have any noise issues if your wiring is poor or not shielded properly. Michael A&P/IA RV-7 N174WM 415HRS _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lincoln Keill Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: RV7-List: Van's comm copper foil antenna Is anyone successfully using Van's copper foil VHF Comm antenna that mounts on the windshield? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net" <jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net>
Date: Dec 11, 2007
Subject: Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Darrell, What was it that sold you on Lightspeed? I'm aware that an electronic i gnition will/should give better performance than mags, my concern is ove r the reliability in the event of an electrical loss. How long is the b attery going to keep you up? What was it that sold you on Lightspeed ra ther than the emag/pmag? Also, have you had or do you know of anybody w ho has had problems with their electronic ignitions? Jason _____________________________________________________________ Ultimate Travel Deals - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tntQeGSM97ajejeBd9 82AdLkkgAs4YGJlbjsXfnHumDlF3B/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 10, 2007
From: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Jason, Track record was the big one for me. Customer service was another. Electrical loss is a non-issue, I will still have one mag and a Main Buss with a separate Endurance Buss. Even with dual EI, if the electrical system is put together with endurance in mind, you should not worry about an issue. I also did not like the control unit under the cowl as with the Emag/Pmag. Lightspeeds control box is in the cabin area under the panel. If you'll search VAF, there are numerous issues reported with the Emag/Pmag to include failures. Some say innovation... they've had plenty of time, years and there's still to many issues for me to invest in the Emag/P-mag systems. IMHO... my 2 cents. Best regards, Darrell --- "jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net" wrote: > Darrell, > What was it that sold you on Lightspeed? I'm aware > that an electronic ignition will/should give better > performance than mags, my concern is over the > reliability in the event of an electrical loss. How > long is the battery going to keep you up? What was > it that sold you on Lightspeed rather than the > emag/pmag? Also, have you had or do you know of > anybody who has had problems with their electronic > ignitions? > Jason > > _____________________________________________________________ > Ultimate Travel Deals - Click Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tntQeGSM97ajejeBd982AdLkkgAs4YGJlbjsXfnHumDlF3B/ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: Safety-Trim Group Buy
Date: Dec 11, 2007
Dear Fellow RV Builders, TCW Technologies and SteinAir are pleased to announce a group buy is now available on our new servo trim controller. Safety-Trim is an electronic trim servo controller that resolves the issues with run-away trim conditions plus it provides 2 speed trim operation as well as greatly simplified switch wiring. For all the detail please follow this direct link: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478 Thank you, Bob Newman TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com>
Subject: Landing gear weldment fitting
Date: Dec 14, 2007
I=92ve been struggling fitting the landing gear weldment on my RV7A. It happens that the forward leg needs to be bent in order to have the weldment flange lay flush on the spar. The instructions warn that this may be necessary. I have to bring the leg in by about =BC=94. Any suggestions on how to bend the weldment legs? I just don=92t have a big enough hammer. Cheers, Rafael RV7A struggling with the gear. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 14, 2007
From: Walter Tondu <walter(at)tondu.com>
Subject: Re: Landing gear weldment fitting
On 12/14 4:27, Rafael wrote: > I've been struggling fitting the landing gear weldment on my RV7A. It > happens that the forward leg needs to be bent in order to have the > weldment flange lay flush on the spar. The instructions warn that this > may be necessary. I have to bring the leg in by about 1/4". > > Any suggestions on how to bend the weldment legs? I just don't have a big > enough hammer. One of mine fit very badly. I called Vans and finally got them to send a replacement weldment. There was no way the first one was going to fit without cutting and re-welding. It took a few calls to finally get them to agree to do the swap. ymmv. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com - Painting http://www.evorocket.com - Empennage ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 22, 2007
From: "Bert Murillo" <bertrv6(at)gmail.com>
Subject: question on Micro Air radio
Hi: I posted a message on the Micro Air radio before. Some one responded and mentioned he had some problem with the Grounding of PTT pilot side.... I want to know for those with this unit, what other comments you have good and bad. I am thinking of adding another radio, and this has a price that is not too bad.. I am bying with it the harness... Another question is how one does to connect both radios to same antena, I do not want to have to go thru another installation... if I can.. Appreciate your comments Bert rv6 Dop not archive.. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: question on Micro Air radio
From: "drthomasd" <drthomasd(at)charter.net>
Date: Dec 22, 2007
Hi Bert, I have the Microair radio and transponder in my Rotorway helicopter and did have a reception problem with the radio. The problem was a bad solder joint and then things were fine. Most of the problems I was aware of were from several years ago so I decided to go with this combo. Following my issue I was told by another Rotorway owner that he knew of three ships with this radio that had unresolved reception problems. I am not sure if the radio can be blamed or not. Check out the following link. The Xcom has more transmitting power than the Microair. I was not aware of this when I made my decision http://www.mcp.com.au/microair/comparison/comparison.html Soon I will be making the decision to start on an RV-10 but I don't believe I would go with the Microair. -------- Tom Delaney St. Louis, MO N427G Rotorway Exec 162F Soon to make decision on RV-10 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153766#153766 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne Boyter" <boyter(at)mcsi.net>
Subject: washers`
Date: Dec 23, 2007
Good Morning I'm looking for some narrow rim internal lock washers for the instrument panel 7/16" internal size, I looked online the only one that I could fine had a $100.00 minimum order. Any help would be appreciate. Wayne RV 6 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 23, 2007
From: David E Bowerman <dbowerman(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: washers`
Wayne Saw your question on the RV list. Try Genuine Aircraft Hardware in California. They do have a web site. They also have a catalog that is a Great Reference Book. These guys don't mess around. Everything that I have bought from them has been first class. They treat thier customers. Quite a breath of fresh air. Dave Bowerman Wayne Boyter wrote: Good Morning I'm looking for some narrow rim internal lock washers for the instrument panel 7/16" internal size, I looked online the only one that I could fine had a $100.00 minimum order. Any help would be appreciate. Wayne RV 6 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: Safety-Trim Group Buy
Date: Dec 28, 2007
First I would like to thank all the builders who have signed up for the group buy. We appreciate your business and look forward to serving you. We hope you all have had a safe and enjoyable holiday season. This is the final weekend of the Vansairforce group buy for our Safety-Trim servo controller. Over 140 builders have signed up and will receive the full $100 discount on the 2 axis controller and $50 discount on the single axis controller. If you haven't signed up yet the promotion continues until the Dec 31. Other important notes. We've added a few more applications notes on our web site including details on the wiring harness available for use with Safety-Trim. Lastly, we are now selling an airspeed switch that is field adjustable between 55 and 140 knots and is perfect for triggering the 2 speed function on Safety-Trim. group buy link: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478 Best regards, Bob Newman TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rouault, Jason (Security Management)" <jason.rouault(at)hp.com>
Date: Dec 29, 2007
Subject: Safety-Trim Group Buy
Bob, I see the application note on the airspeed switch, but cannot find any info rmation on pricing for the switch. Jason From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob-tcw Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 4:34 PM Subject: RV7-List: Safety-Trim Group Buy First I would like to thank all the builders who have signed up for the gro up buy. We appreciate your business and look forward to serving you. We hope you all have had a safe and enjoyable holiday season. This is the final weekend of the Vansairforce group buy for our Safety-Trim servo controller. Over 140 builders have signed up and will receive the full $100 discount on the 2 axis controller and $50 discount on the single axis controller. If you haven't signed up yet the promotion continues u ntil the Dec 31. Other important notes. We've added a few more applications notes on our w eb site including details on the wiring harness available for use with Safe ty-Trim. Lastly, we are now selling an airspeed switch that is field adj ustable between 55 and 140 knots and is perfect for triggering the 2 speed function on Safety-Trim. group buy link: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t= 24478 Best regards, Bob Newman TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy
Date: Dec 28, 2007
Jason, I just moved the pricing and online ordering of our air speed switch (ASW-1) to the front page and to the Ordering Tab. Its $35. Best regards, Bob Newman ----- Original Message ----- From: Rouault, Jason (Security Management) To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: Safety-Trim Group Buy Bob, I see the application note on the airspeed switch, but cannot find any information on pricing for the switch. Jason From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob-tcw Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 4:34 PM To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV7-List: Safety-Trim Group Buy First I would like to thank all the builders who have signed up for the group buy. We appreciate your business and look forward to serving you. We hope you all have had a safe and enjoyable holiday season. This is the final weekend of the Vansairforce group buy for our Safety-Trim servo controller. Over 140 builders have signed up and will receive the full $100 discount on the 2 axis controller and $50 discount on the single axis controller. If you haven't signed up yet the promotion continues until the Dec 31. Other important notes. We've added a few more applications notes on our web site including details on the wiring harness available for use with Safety-Trim. Lastly, we are now selling an airspeed switch that is field adjustable between 55 and 140 knots and is perfect for triggering the 2 speed function on Safety-Trim. group buy link: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478 Best regards, Bob Newman TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R V7-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 30, 2007
From: bert murillo <robertrv607(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy
----- Original Message ---- From: Bob-tcw <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:33:43 PM Subject: RV7-List: Safety-Trim Group Buy First I would like to thank all the builders who have signed up for the group buy. We appreciate your business and look forward to serving you. We hope you all have had a safe and enjoyable holiday season. This is the final weekend of the Vansairforce group buy for our Safety-Trim servo controller. Over 140 builders have signed up and will receive the full $100 discount on the 2 axis controller and $50 discount on the single axis controller. If you haven't signed up yet the promotion continues until the Dec 31. Other important notes. We've added a few more applications notes on our web site including details on the wiring harness available for use with Safety-Trim. Lastly, we are now selling an airspeed switch that is field adjustable between 55 and 140 knots and is perfect for triggering the 2 speed function on Safety-Trim. group buy link: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478 Best regards, Bob Newman TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com All I* did was to get a switch, total cost $2.75, with this I can disconect the trim any time.......is yours more than $2.75.... or course. Happy New Year bert rv6a Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <colfearnow(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Fuel mixture and throttle connections
Date: Jan 01, 2008
To the groups, I would like to safety the fuel and throttle control nuts/bolts on my vertical induction FI servo. Does anyone have experience and/or suggestions with this mission? I have the small steel lock-nuts (number unknown), appropriate washers and AN-3 bolts currently installed and would like to safety these little suckers if possible. I am thinking about drilling the nut and bolt together (# 48 to 50 drill?) as installed and safety wire the nut and bolt together. Also, am trying to design and build a methodology to pre-heat with my floor-model kerosene heater (salamander). Does anyone have experience with this and possible photos? .....am toying with an idea to make some funnel-style inserts for the cowling air inlets to protect the painted surface (insulated ofcourse) on the cowling and a cover for the spinner. Sorry...I know this is operational and not actual building. Any input would be greatly appreciated. [Lycoming does not recommend oil dip stick heaters for pre-heating your engine] Thanks. Have a wonderful NewYear. Ron F., Northern Indiana...last report: 27 deg F and lake-effect snow. -7A, final checks for engine start. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2008
Subject: Fuel mixture and throttle connections
Thats really a pointless exercise (and a lot of work)...Those metal locknut s will never come undone. I use 2* 50W stick on oil sump heaters that I leave plugged in all the time from NAPA (Mine have no thermostats)...As long as you don't have a composi te sump they work great. For realtively warm (rarely drops below freezing h ere) western oregon this is as much as you need as long as you plug the cow l intakes and the airplane is in the hangar. For your area you might want to got to 150 or 200W total, but I would proba bly want one with a thermostat if I went with a 200W unit. My heaters give me an oil temp about 35F above ambient and the CHT's are 30 F above ambient...I do have a plenum though which probably helps. Frank RV 7a 224 hours ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of colfearnow(at)earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: RV7-List: Fuel mixture and throttle connections To the groups, I would like to safety the fuel and throttle control nuts/bolts on my verti cal induction FI servo. Does anyone have experience and/or suggestions wit h this mission? I have the small steel lock-nuts (number unknown), appropr iate washers and AN-3 bolts currently installed and would like to safety th ese little suckers if possible. I am thinking about drilling the nut and b olt together (# 48 to 50 drill?) as installed and safety wire the nut and b olt together. Also, am trying to design and build a methodology to pre-heat with my floor -model kerosene heater (salamander). Does anyone have experience with this and possible photos? .....am toying with an idea to make some funnel-styl e inserts for the cowling air inlets to protect the painted surface (insula ted ofcourse) on the cowling and a cover for the spinner. Sorry...I know this is operational and not actual building. Any input would be greatly ap preciated. [Lycoming does not recommend oil dip stick heaters for pre-heat ing your engine] Thanks. Have a wonderful NewYear. Ron F., Northern Indiana...last report: 27 deg F and lake-effect snow. -7A, final checks for engine start. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <colfearnow(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Fuel mixture and throttle connections
Date: Jan 02, 2008
> Thanks guys for the input. Greatly appreciate it. > > I have a Precision Silver Hawk F.I. system and servo (rebuilt). > > On the control nuts and washers, Van's instructions talks about safety > wiring the control connections....I'll install new bolts and lock nuts and > let it go. I agree that if installed correctly, the nuts will rarely come > off. > Thanks again. > Ron F. > -7A, engine start preparation... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dwight Frye" <dwight(at)openweave.org> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 01 January, 2008 12:28 PM > Subject: Re: RV7-List: Fuel mixture and throttle connections > > >> Ron, >> >> Is it an Airflow Performance fuel controller? If so, drop Don Rivera >> at Airflow (airflow2(at)bellsouth.net) a note with your questions. He is >> my "go to guy" on all fuel injection questions. He is always game to >> share any information he can, and is great to work with. >> >> -- Dwight >> >> On Tue Jan 1 11:10:06 2008, colfearnow(at)earthlink.net wrote : >>>I would like to safety the fuel and throttle control nuts/bolts on my >>>vertical induction FI servo. Does anyone have experience and/or >>>suggestions with this mission? I have the small steel lock-nuts (number >>>unknown), appropriate washers and AN-3 bolts currently installed and >>>would like to safety these little suckers if possible. I am thinking >>>about drilling the nut and bolt together (# 48 to 50 drill?) as >>>installed and safety wire the nut and bolt together. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Usable Fuel ??
Date: Jan 03, 2008
I know that all planes are a little different but what are most folks finding as usable fuel per side on the 7a ? Anyone run one dry just to check ? Thanks Bill S 7a 80/80 finishing ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Usable Fuel ??
Date: Jan 03, 2008
From: dougpflyrv(at)aol.com
My experience was after running them dry (over the airport, level flight) they took excactly 21 gals each. dnp -----Original Message----- From: Bill Schlatterer <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 7:48 pm Subject: RV7-List: Usable Fuel ?? I know that all planes are a little different but what are most folks finding as usable fuel per side on the 7a ?? Anyone run one dry just to check ? Thanks Bill S 7a? 80/80 finishing ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry & Cheryl McClure" <mcclures2(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/18/08
Date: Jan 19, 2008
Please remove me from your imail list.. Thanks L. J. McClure ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV7-List Digest Server" <rv7-list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:57 AM Subject: RV7-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/18/08 > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV7-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV7-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 08-01-18&Archive=RV7 > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 08-01-18&Archive=RV7 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV7-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 01/18/08: 0 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: ZAON Traffic
Date: Jan 22, 2008
Has anyone found a better mounting position for a Zaon XRX? I dont want it on the glare shield. I have too much stuff up there already, GPS, XM. I might be mounting it in areas they dont want me to but I might just try and test. Anyone? Mike RV-7 N174WM 406 HRS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry & Cheryl McClure" <mcclures2(at)comcast.net>
Subject: email
Date: Feb 07, 2008
Please remove my email address from your files.. I no longer need your information. Thanks Larry McClure ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "J. Brunke" <jdoody727(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: email
Date: Feb 07, 2008
Dear Larry, You sent a message to the list so I don't think it will remove you from the list. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry & Cheryl McClure To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: RV7-List: email Please remove my email address from your files.. I no longer need your information. Thanks Larry McClure ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2008
From: "Joseph F. Giallo, II" <jgiallo(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: transition training
Well at long last the end is in sight and I'm now trying to plan the details up to phase I. Any current recommendations on 7A transition training? - I'm in NC but willing to go to where necessary to get this done. Regards, Joe N814MJ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Frank Stringham <fstringham(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: transition training
Date: Feb 11, 2008
Joe Check out http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/trainfly.htm and The following CFI's services would be acceptable for Nationair insurance pu rposes. Country State Name/E-mail Location Phone USA Florida Jan Bussell / janjoyce(at)strato.net 863-467-9354 USA Texas Dave Austin / flybaby60(at)aol.com Denton 214-236-7973 USA Alabama Dan Cunningham / dannycfi(at)yahoo.com Home # 256-353-6181Cell # 256-221-8986 USA Georgia Pierre Smith / pierrejs(at)bellsouth.net Louisville 478.625.35.86 Frank @ SGU RV7A > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:05:50 -0500> From: jgiallo(at)mindspring.com> To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV7-List: transition training> > --> RV7-L ist message posted by: "Joseph F. Giallo, II" > > W ell at long last the end is in sight and I'm now trying to plan the> detail s up to phase I.> > Any current recommendations on 7A transition training? - I'm in NC but> willing to go to where necessary to get this done.> > Rega ======> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net>
Subject: transition training
Date: Feb 11, 2008
http://brian76.mystarband.net/training.htm http://rvhotline.expercraft.com/articles/2007/transition_training.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Giallo, II Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: RV7-List: transition training --> Well at long last the end is in sight and I'm now trying to plan the details up to phase I. Any current recommendations on 7A transition training? - I'm in NC but willing to go to where necessary to get this done. Regards, Joe N814MJ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook(at)cox.net>
Subject: Evan Johnson
Date: Feb 12, 2008
Fellow Builders, Has anyone been able to get in touch with Evan Johnson (builds RV tanks) lately? He's had my tank parts for some time and I haven't been able to reach him over the last month or so. I have left a few messages and no return calls. Scott R. Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Strong" <gjstrong(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08
Date: Feb 12, 2008
I'm getting ready to order a RV-7 within the next few days. In reading the many posts comparing a RV-9 to an RV-7, I think I'm comfortable going with the 7. Before ordering, I'm wondering if anyone on the list flew a Bonanza or Baron prior to moving to the RV-7 since I have over 1,000 hours in these aircraft? Essentially I'm trying to get an idea of what I've read on the list referring to the RV-7 having lighter control forces than the RV-9. How would you compare the RV-7 to a Bonanza? Lastly, my basic mission is flying around the area, hence the RV-7, but I do about 1 cross country a month. With an autopilot, are the lighter control forces a non-issue in cross country? How is the RV-7 in turbulence compared to a Bonanza? Thanks! Gary Strong ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cliff" <exodus(at)gds.co.za>
Subject: Re: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08
Date: Feb 13, 2008
Bonaza and Baron are like trucks compared to the 7. I fly one thousand mile trip a month in my 7 , no autopilot, and it is a non issue and pure pleasure all the way! A friend has a 9 that I have flown and the ailerons are a little stiffer but it is no big deal and he is not into aerobatics so it makes no difference to him. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Strong" <gjstrong(at)comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:52 AM Subject: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > I'm getting ready to order a RV-7 within the next few days. In reading > the > many posts comparing a RV-9 to an RV-7, I think I'm comfortable going with > the 7. > > Before ordering, I'm wondering if anyone on the list flew a Bonanza or > Baron > prior to moving to the RV-7 since I have over 1,000 hours in these > aircraft? > Essentially I'm trying to get an idea of what I've read on the list > referring to the RV-7 having lighter control forces than the RV-9. How > would you compare the RV-7 to a Bonanza? Lastly, my basic mission is > flying > around the area, hence the RV-7, but I do about 1 cross country a month. > With an autopilot, are the lighter control forces a non-issue in cross > country? How is the RV-7 in turbulence compared to a Bonanza? > > Thanks! > Gary Strong > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08
Date: Feb 12, 2008
My 7 sucks in turbulence....any airplane that is this light (empty weight 1103LBS,1550 loaded by myself, full fuel and a bag) will get bounced around more than a 3K lb Bonanza. I use to fly my 7 from LA to Salt Lake city. I have over 85 round trips to be exact and with my autopilot, sat weather, sat radio and tcas it is an awesome machine. My 7 would do the trip 563NM in 3.5 hours average and burn 26 gallons of fuel with a 180HP with fixed pitch. Not to shabby. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Strong Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 I'm getting ready to order a RV-7 within the next few days. In reading the many posts comparing a RV-9 to an RV-7, I think I'm comfortable going with the 7. Before ordering, I'm wondering if anyone on the list flew a Bonanza or Baron prior to moving to the RV-7 since I have over 1,000 hours in these aircraft? Essentially I'm trying to get an idea of what I've read on the list referring to the RV-7 having lighter control forces than the RV-9. How would you compare the RV-7 to a Bonanza? Lastly, my basic mission is flying around the area, hence the RV-7, but I do about 1 cross country a month. With an autopilot, are the lighter control forces a non-issue in cross country? How is the RV-7 in turbulence compared to a Bonanza? Thanks! Gary Strong ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com>
Date: Feb 13, 2008
Subject: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08
You might be better off with a an RV-9...I believe the 9 has an even more eficient wing for cross country work...Really only want a 7 if you intend to do aerobatics. You can still put a 180hp motor in it but put a Catto fixed pitch prop on it to limit it to 160hp. Frank RV7a Io360 full invert -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 My 7 sucks in turbulence....any airplane that is this light (empty weight 1103LBS,1550 loaded by myself, full fuel and a bag) will get bounced around more than a 3K lb Bonanza. I use to fly my 7 from LA to Salt Lake city. I have over 85 round trips to be exact and with my autopilot, sat weather, sat radio and tcas it is an awesome machine. My 7 would do the trip 563NM in 3.5 hours average and burn 26 gallons of fuel with a 180HP with fixed pitch. Not to shabby. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Strong Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 I'm getting ready to order a RV-7 within the next few days. In reading the many posts comparing a RV-9 to an RV-7, I think I'm comfortable going with the 7. Before ordering, I'm wondering if anyone on the list flew a Bonanza or Baron prior to moving to the RV-7 since I have over 1,000 hours in these aircraft? Essentially I'm trying to get an idea of what I've read on the list referring to the RV-7 having lighter control forces than the RV-9. How would you compare the RV-7 to a Bonanza? Lastly, my basic mission is flying around the area, hence the RV-7, but I do about 1 cross country a month. With an autopilot, are the lighter control forces a non-issue in cross country? How is the RV-7 in turbulence compared to a Bonanza? Thanks! Gary Strong ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08
Date: Feb 13, 2008
Question.......what does the Catto prop have to do with reducing the HP of the engine? Garry Stout (RV7A w/180 HP & Catto Prop) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> Feb 13, 2008 You can still put a 180hp motor in it but put a Catto fixed pitch prop on it to limit it to 160hp. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com>
Date: Feb 13, 2008
Subject: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08
Depends where the prop is pitched...If you pitch a FP (or ground adjustable) prop to make say 2400RPM it the engine will be making a lower power...I read somewhere that a O360 Lycoming at 2400 makes 160HP...need to check the power graphs. If your FP prop is allowed to go to 2700RPM there is your 180HP but then to reduce power in cruise you will have to partly close the throttle...This is an inefficient way to run the motor due to increased pumping losses...I.e max mpg will be got with the throttle wide open. That's partly why C/S props are popular because you can increase pitch and keep the throttle wide open. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 Question.......what does the Catto prop have to do with reducing the HP of the engine? Garry Stout (RV7A w/180 HP & Catto Prop) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> Feb 13, 2008 You can still put a 180hp motor in it but put a Catto fixed pitch prop on it to limit it to 160hp. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <colfearnow(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/13/08
Date: Feb 14, 2008
Over 500 miles with 26 gallons...excellent Mike !!! Ron F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV7-List Digest Server" <rv7-list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2008 2:57 AM Subject: RV7-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/13/08 > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV7-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV7-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 08-02-13&Archive=RV7 > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 08-02-13&Archive=RV7 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV7-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 02/13/08: 3 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 (Hinde, > Frank George (Corvallis)) > 2. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 (Garry) > 3. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 (Hinde, > Frank George (Corvallis)) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> > Subject: RE: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > You might be better off with a an RV-9...I believe the 9 has an even more > eficient > wing for cross country work...Really only want a 7 if you intend to do > aerobatics. > > You can still put a 180hp motor in it but put a Catto fixed pitch prop on > it to > limit it to 160hp. > > Frank > RV7a Io360 full invert > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:01 PM > Subject: RE: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > My 7 sucks in turbulence....any airplane that is this light (empty weight > 1103LBS,1550 > loaded by myself, full fuel and a bag) will get bounced around more than > a 3K lb Bonanza. I use to fly my 7 from LA to Salt Lake city. I have over > 85 > round trips to be exact and with my autopilot, sat weather, sat radio and > tcas > it is an awesome machine. My 7 would do the trip 563NM in 3.5 hours > average > and burn 26 gallons of fuel with a 180HP with fixed pitch. Not to shabby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Strong > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:53 PM > Subject: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > I'm getting ready to order a RV-7 within the next few days. In reading > the many > posts comparing a RV-9 to an RV-7, I think I'm comfortable going with the > 7. > > Before ordering, I'm wondering if anyone on the list flew a Bonanza or > Baron prior > to moving to the RV-7 since I have over 1,000 hours in these aircraft? > Essentially I'm trying to get an idea of what I've read on the list > referring to > the RV-7 having lighter control forces than the RV-9. How would you > compare > the RV-7 to a Bonanza? Lastly, my basic mission is flying around the > area, hence > the RV-7, but I do about 1 cross country a month. > With an autopilot, are the lighter control forces a non-issue in cross > country? > How is the RV-7 in turbulence compared to a Bonanza? > > Thanks! > Gary Strong > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com> > Subject: Re: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > Question.......what does the Catto prop have to do with reducing the HP of > the engine? > > Garry Stout (RV7A w/180 HP & Catto Prop) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> Feb 13, 2008 > > You can still put a 180hp motor in it but put a Catto fixed pitch prop on > it > to limit it to 160hp. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> > Subject: RE: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > Depends where the prop is pitched...If you pitch a FP (or ground > adjustable) prop > to make say 2400RPM it the engine will be making a lower power...I read > somewhere > that a O360 Lycoming at 2400 makes 160HP...need to check the power graphs. > > If your FP prop is allowed to go to 2700RPM there is your 180HP but then > to reduce > power in cruise you will have to partly close the throttle...This is an > inefficient > way to run the motor due to increased pumping losses...I.e max mpg will > be got with the throttle wide open. > > That's partly why C/S props are popular because you can increase pitch and > keep > the throttle wide open. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > Question.......what does the Catto prop have to do with reducing the HP of > the > engine? > > Garry Stout (RV7A w/180 HP & Catto Prop) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> Feb 13, 2008 > > You can still put a 180hp motor in it but put a Catto fixed pitch prop on > it to > limit it to 160hp. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/13/08
Date: Feb 14, 2008
Thanks Ron.....but Van is the Man!!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of colfearnow(at)earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:10 AM Subject: RV7-List: Re: RV7-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/13/08 Over 500 miles with 26 gallons...excellent Mike !!! Ron F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV7-List Digest Server" <rv7-list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2008 2:57 AM Subject: RV7-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/13/08 > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV7-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV7-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 08-02-13&Archive=RV7 > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2008-02-13&Archive=RV7 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV7-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 02/13/08: 3 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 (Hinde, > Frank George (Corvallis)) > 2. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 (Garry) > 3. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 (Hinde, > Frank George (Corvallis)) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> > Subject: RE: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > You might be better off with a an RV-9...I believe the 9 has an even more > eficient > wing for cross country work...Really only want a 7 if you intend to do > aerobatics. > > You can still put a 180hp motor in it but put a Catto fixed pitch prop on > it to > limit it to 160hp. > > Frank > RV7a Io360 full invert > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:01 PM > Subject: RE: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > My 7 sucks in turbulence....any airplane that is this light (empty weight > 1103LBS,1550 > loaded by myself, full fuel and a bag) will get bounced around more than > a 3K lb Bonanza. I use to fly my 7 from LA to Salt Lake city. I have over > 85 > round trips to be exact and with my autopilot, sat weather, sat radio and > tcas > it is an awesome machine. My 7 would do the trip 563NM in 3.5 hours > average > and burn 26 gallons of fuel with a 180HP with fixed pitch. Not to shabby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Strong > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:53 PM > Subject: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > I'm getting ready to order a RV-7 within the next few days. In reading > the many > posts comparing a RV-9 to an RV-7, I think I'm comfortable going with the > 7. > > Before ordering, I'm wondering if anyone on the list flew a Bonanza or > Baron prior > to moving to the RV-7 since I have over 1,000 hours in these aircraft? > Essentially I'm trying to get an idea of what I've read on the list > referring to > the RV-7 having lighter control forces than the RV-9. How would you > compare > the RV-7 to a Bonanza? Lastly, my basic mission is flying around the > area, hence > the RV-7, but I do about 1 cross country a month. > With an autopilot, are the lighter control forces a non-issue in cross > country? > How is the RV-7 in turbulence compared to a Bonanza? > > Thanks! > Gary Strong > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com> > Subject: Re: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > Question.......what does the Catto prop have to do with reducing the HP of > the engine? > > Garry Stout (RV7A w/180 HP & Catto Prop) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> Feb 13, 2008 > > You can still put a 180hp motor in it but put a Catto fixed pitch prop on > it > to limit it to 160hp. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> > Subject: RE: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > Depends where the prop is pitched...If you pitch a FP (or ground > adjustable) prop > to make say 2400RPM it the engine will be making a lower power...I read > somewhere > that a O360 Lycoming at 2400 makes 160HP...need to check the power graphs. > > If your FP prop is allowed to go to 2700RPM there is your 180HP but then > to reduce > power in cruise you will have to partly close the throttle...This is an > inefficient > way to run the motor due to increased pumping losses...I.e max mpg will > be got with the throttle wide open. > > That's partly why C/S props are popular because you can increase pitch and > keep > the throttle wide open. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: RV7-List: RE: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/11/08 > > > Question.......what does the Catto prop have to do with reducing the HP of > the > engine? > > Garry Stout (RV7A w/180 HP & Catto Prop) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com> Feb 13, 2008 > > You can still put a 180hp motor in it but put a Catto fixed pitch prop on > it to > limit it to 160hp. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Henry Nordsiek" <h1nord(at)sopris.net>
Subject: Ignition sequence of operation
Date: Feb 25, 2008
I am building a RV-7A and have started to think about the electrical system. I have purchased Bob Nuckolls AeroElectric Connection. My engine will be a Superior XP-320 Plus with carburetor and the LSE Dual Plasma III CDI ignition installed at the Superior factory.I want to install a all electric panel using the Dynon FlightDEK-D180. Bob recommends his system found on Drawing Z-14 which is a double battery double alternator split buss design. Bob and LSE both recommend eliminating the standard "key switch" and replacing with toggle switches. When starting the airplane, what is the sequence of operation that should take place? 1. Energize primary battery contactor. 2. Energize secondary battery contactor. 3. Energize dual system cross-over contactor which lets the starter use both batteries for starting. 4. Turn primary ignition switch to ON. 5. Turn secondary ignition switch to ON. 6. Push start button 7. Turn primary alternator field switch to ON. 8. Turn secondary alternator field switch to ON. 9. De-energize the dual system cross-over contactor. Does the preceding sequence make sense? Please advise! Henry Nordsiek ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 25, 2008
From: Mike Divan <n343fd(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition sequence of operation
Hole-E-Cow! I kind of like the old fashion way. 1. Pump the throttle a couple times 2.Advance the throttle a tad 3. Turn on battery 4. Hit the ignition 5. It starts. :) Just kidding with ya a little Mike Divan N64GH - RV6,flying :) SLOW 7 Builder :( EAA - 577486 FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! ----- Original Message ---- From: Henry Nordsiek <h1nord(at)sopris.net> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:01:33 PM Subject: RV7-List: Ignition sequence of operation I am building a RV-7A and have started to think about the electrical system. I have purchased Bob Nuckolls AeroElectric Connection. My engine will be a Superior XP-320 Plus with carburetor and the LSE Dual Plasma III CDI ignition installed at the Superior factory.I want to install a all electric panel using the Dynon FlightDEK-D180. Bob recommends his system found on Drawing Z-14 which is a double battery double alternator split buss design. Bob and LSE both recommend eliminating the standard "key switch" and replacing with toggle switches. When starting the airplane, what is the sequence of operation that should take place? 1. Energize primary battery contactor. 2. Energize secondary battery contactor. 3. Energize dual system cross-over contactor which lets the starter use both batteries for starting. 4. Turn primary ignition switch to ON. 5. Turn secondary ignition switch to ON. 6. Push start button 7. Turn primary alternator field switch to ON. 8. Turn secondary alternator field switch to ON. 9. De-energize the dual system cross-over contactor. Does the preceding sequence make sense? Please advise! Henry Nordsiek Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Ignition sequence of operation
Date: Feb 25, 2008
Mike, thats funny..I was thinking the same thing..... Mike N174WM RV7 410 hours. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Divan Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: RV7-List: Ignition sequence of operation Hole-E-Cow! I kind of like the old fashion way. 1. Pump the throttle a couple times 2.Advance the throttle a tad 3. Turn on battery 4. Hit the ignition 5. It starts. :) Just kidding with ya a little Mike Divan N64GH - RV6,flying :) SLOW 7 Builder :( EAA - 577486 FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! ----- Original Message ---- From: Henry Nordsiek <h1nord(at)sopris.net> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:01:33 PM Subject: RV7-List: Ignition sequence of operation I am building a RV-7A and have started to think about the electrical system. I have purchased Bob Nuckolls AeroElectric Connection. My engine will be a Superior XP-320 Plus with carburetor and the LSE Dual Plasma III CDI ignition installed at the Superior factory.I want to install a all electric panel using the Dynon FlightDEK-D180. Bob recommends his system found on Drawing Z-14 which is a double battery double alternator split buss design. Bob and LSE both recommend eliminating the standard "key switch" and replacing with toggle switches. When starting the airplane, what is the sequence of operation that should take place? 1. Energize primary battery contactor. 2. Energize secondary battery contactor. 3. Energize dual system cross-over contactor which lets the starter use both batteries for starting. 4. Turn primary ignition switch to ON. 5. Turn secondary ignition switch to ON. 6. Push start button 7. Turn primary alternator field switch to ON. 8. Turn secondary alternator field switch to ON. 9. De-energize the dual system cross-over contactor. Does the preceding sequence make sense? Please advise! Henry Nordsiek ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Clocking the prop ?
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Just a little confused. I'm working on the prop spinner and mount and I hear folks talking about clocking the prop. Bill Boyd read something and had this to say: "It says that a flat four engine will run more smoothly if the prop is indexed to be in the same plane as the crank pins, meaning it is horizontal when the pistons are at top or bottom dead center. This orientation is 60 degrees away from the indexing that is traditional for Lycomings, which is a concession to ease of hand-propping. Well, I tried it and it works. The difference in smoothness was noticable from very first startup, and the engine is (subjectively) smoother at all rpm ranges. The prop now stops at about 1 o'clock position viewed from the front, as opposed to the traditional 10 o'clock position. " Great, so now I am looking to mount my prop, New Hartzell BA on a O360. When I look at the prop flange, there is only one bolt that is not recessed. When I look at me crank flange, there are two bolts at 3 and 9 that will accept the unrecessed bolt. That means that I can put the prop at 3 or 9 (same orientation) but no place else. The TC mark on my flywheel is at 1 o'clock and I don't see any way to clock anything given these two flanges? Take a look. Am I missing something? Is there just one way to put the prop on this puppy? Help appreciated. Bill S 7a Ark sorta finishing ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Clocking the prop ?
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Only one way my friend. Mike _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Schlatterer Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: RV7-List: Clocking the prop ? Just a little confused. I'm working on the prop spinner and mount and I hear folks talking about clocking the prop. Bill Boyd read something and had this to say: "It says that a flat four engine will run more smoothly if the prop is indexed to be in the same plane as the crank pins, meaning it is horizontal when the pistons are at top or bottom dead center. This orientation is 60 degrees away from the indexing that is traditional for Lycomings, which is a concession to ease of hand-propping. Well, I tried it and it works. The difference in smoothness was noticable from very first startup, and the engine is (subjectively) smoother at all rpm ranges. The prop now stops at about 1 o'clock position viewed from the front, as opposed to the traditional 10 o'clock position. " Great, so now I am looking to mount my prop, New Hartzell BA on a O360. When I look at the prop flange, there is only one bolt that is not recessed. When I look at me crank flange, there are two bolts at 3 and 9 that will accept the unrecessed bolt. That means that I can put the prop at 3 or 9 (same orientation) but no place else. The TC mark on my flywheel is at 1 o'clock and I don't see any way to clock anything given these two flanges? Take a look. <<...>> <<...>> Am I missing something? Is there just one way to put the prop on this puppy? Help appreciated. Bill S 7a Ark sorta finishing ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Oshkosh
Date: Mar 01, 2008
Ok here is one for you all.......... I want to fly to Oshkosh this year and I want to camp next to my sweetheart (RV7). Anyone have any advice, tips, what to expect and anything else? Mike RV7 N174WM 408Hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 01, 2008
From: scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Oshkosh
Have a good WATER PROOF tent, I remember hearing people getting up in the middle of the night/rain storm, because their tent flooded. Also dont camp in low spots. Scott ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 7:02:04 PM Subject: RV7-List: Oshkosh Ok here is one for you all.......... I want to fly to Oshkosh this year and I want to camp next to my sweetheart (RV7). Anyone have any advice, tips, what to expect and anything else? Mike RV7 N174WM 408Hrs Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Subject: Oshkosh
Expect to spend lots of money...What is it $20 per day to camp next to your airplane...Gee. Frank ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: RV7-List: Oshkosh Ok here is one for you all.......... I want to fly to Oshkosh this year and I want to camp next to my sweetheart (RV7). Anyone have any advice, tips, what to expect and anything else? Mike RV7 N174WM 408Hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oshkosh
From: "gbrasch" <gbrasch(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Can anybody give Mike some positive advice? Mike, this will be my 25th "Oshkosh" and I have never had a bad year. Sure, the weather might get bad but that is just part of it. They will give you a map of the grounds when you get there, go over it and pick out what you want to see, because you won't be able to get it all in, even in a full week. Hope this helps. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360 Tucson, Arizona Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167434#167434 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Oshkosh
Date: Mar 03, 2008
It's worth it!!!!!last year FREE beach boys concert !!!!!! night shows & for what you get I thinks it is a better deal than Lakeland!!!! EAA member Randy Pinkston 705rp -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gbrasch Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: RV7-List: Re: Oshkosh Can anybody give Mike some positive advice? Mike, this will be my 25th "Oshkosh" and I have never had a bad year. Sure, the weather might get bad but that is just part of it. They will give you a map of the grounds when you get there, go over it and pick out what you want to see, because you won't be able to get it all in, even in a full week. Hope this helps. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360 Tucson, Arizona Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167434#167434 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Oshkosh
Date: Mar 03, 2008
As an 11 year veteran of OSH, I pretty much plan my year around it. Most calendars go from Jan to Dec, mine goes from August to July. As long as you are prepared for OSH, you will have fun. Walking shoes are the order of the day - never wear flip flops or sandals, you will hate it. You need the cushion for all the walking. You will want clothes for any type of weather: shorts and jeans, long sleeve and short sleeve shirts, light jacket. Get a small dome tent - not the A-shaped tents; domes usually will not succumb to some of the storms that blow through. I have yet to have an OSH without at least one good rain come through. Tie downs for your plane! Have a small/medium sized backpack. This will carry your water and snacks for the day. Bring lots of water and some healthy snacks like granola or energy bars when you start out for the day. We do this because we tend to burn a lot more energy walking around and don't like to spend money on OSH priced snacks. We do buy lunch at the Twin Pines food court. Don't worry about a bag for goodies; vendors will usually have them. Just hit one of the exhibit hangars. XM has nice cloth bags that you can use over and over. Shade can be your friend there are lots of trees to cop a squat under! Bring a hat, sunglasses and sunscreen. We plan our days around the geography of the airport. One day will be for RV parking, North 40 and Warbirds. One day will be AeroShell square and hangars. One day will be Vintage and ultralights. One day to hit fly market, hangars, and AeroShell again. If you're so inclined, take a half day to go see seaplane base too. One day is just to repeat what we want to see again and add in the Museum. I have camped in Camp Scholler every year at OSH, now we have quite the family compound on ROW 10 south of the West Gate. We have family from AZ, OH, MI, and NY. Big 20x20 silver tarp tent with about 5 or 6 smaller tents around it. Look us up! Scott & Jenni Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gbrasch Sent: Monday, 03 March, 2008 12:18 Subject: RV7-List: Re: Oshkosh Can anybody give Mike some positive advice? Mike, this will be my 25th "Oshkosh" and I have never had a bad year. Sure, the weather might get bad but that is just part of it. They will give you a map of the grounds when you get there, go over it and pick out what you want to see, because you won't be able to get it all in, even in a full week. Hope this helps. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360 Tucson, Arizona Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167434#167434 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Oshkosh
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Thanks Glen!!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gbrasch Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: RV7-List: Re: Oshkosh Can anybody give Mike some positive advice? Mike, this will be my 25th "Oshkosh" and I have never had a bad year. Sure, the weather might get bad but that is just part of it. They will give you a map of the grounds when you get there, go over it and pick out what you want to see, because you won't be able to get it all in, even in a full week. Hope this helps. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360 Tucson, Arizona Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167434#167434 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Oshkosh
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Thanks Scott and Jenni!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott R. Shook Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: Re: Oshkosh As an 11 year veteran of OSH, I pretty much plan my year around it. Most calendars go from Jan to Dec, mine goes from August to July. As long as you are prepared for OSH, you will have fun. Walking shoes are the order of the day - never wear flip flops or sandals, you will hate it. You need the cushion for all the walking. You will want clothes for any type of weather: shorts and jeans, long sleeve and short sleeve shirts, light jacket. Get a small dome tent - not the A-shaped tents; domes usually will not succumb to some of the storms that blow through. I have yet to have an OSH without at least one good rain come through. Tie downs for your plane! Have a small/medium sized backpack. This will carry your water and snacks for the day. Bring lots of water and some healthy snacks like granola or energy bars when you start out for the day. We do this because we tend to burn a lot more energy walking around and don't like to spend money on OSH priced snacks. We do buy lunch at the Twin Pines food court. Don't worry about a bag for goodies; vendors will usually have them. Just hit one of the exhibit hangars. XM has nice cloth bags that you can use over and over. Shade can be your friend there are lots of trees to cop a squat under! Bring a hat, sunglasses and sunscreen. We plan our days around the geography of the airport. One day will be for RV parking, North 40 and Warbirds. One day will be AeroShell square and hangars. One day will be Vintage and ultralights. One day to hit fly market, hangars, and AeroShell again. If you're so inclined, take a half day to go see seaplane base too. One day is just to repeat what we want to see again and add in the Museum. I have camped in Camp Scholler every year at OSH, now we have quite the family compound on ROW 10 south of the West Gate. We have family from AZ, OH, MI, and NY. Big 20x20 silver tarp tent with about 5 or 6 smaller tents around it. Look us up! Scott & Jenni Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gbrasch Sent: Monday, 03 March, 2008 12:18 Subject: RV7-List: Re: Oshkosh Can anybody give Mike some positive advice? Mike, this will be my 25th "Oshkosh" and I have never had a bad year. Sure, the weather might get bad but that is just part of it. They will give you a map of the grounds when you get there, go over it and pick out what you want to see, because you won't be able to get it all in, even in a full week. Hope this helps. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360 Tucson, Arizona Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167434#167434 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott" <scott(at)randolphs.net>
Subject: RE: RV7-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/25/08
Date: Mar 03, 2008
Kidding aside, my RV6 is flying with a dual alt, dual battery system for which I've spent hours thinking through failure cases and am convinced is as "fail safe" as the dual bus system in Z-14. But the key thing is that it operates the way Mike describes! When designing my system I definitly felt it was important for another pilot operating the airplane to be able to do so safely. And for that matter, Bob's recommendation to keep it simple and avoid the need for moving switches when something fails really struck me as good advice. The only "extra" switch I have is to turn on my aux battery/alternator. If that switch is ignored the plane operates and flys just like a spam can (electrically speaking). If that switch is thrown "on" at the same time the primary master is turned on, then the aircraft is running "dual everything". If something fails, as much stuff as can keeps working without additional through from the poor confused pilot. :) The short version is that I have a "conventional" primary electrical system. Then I have a backup alt/battery on it's own bus. Only the primary electrical system runs the starter, the electric flaps, the ships lighting. The primary system also feeds the avionics bus (I know, Bob says you don't need an avionics master, but I like the idea and it makes it easy to keep stuff off the battery before starting). The avionics bus runs the autopilot, the 2nd Nav/Com, the ICS. The avionics bus also feeds (via diode and fuse) into the "e-bus". The aux battery and alternator also feed into the "e-bus". The e-bus supports my EFIS, GPS, #1 Nav/Com and Transponder. The EFIS is also dual supplied from the avionics bus as well, so it won't go down even if the e-bus goes down. Tough to desribe I guess. But the bottom line is a recommendation to design for operational simplicity. Given thought to where you can remove or at least normally ignore switches. Have fun! :) Scott. === Oringinal Message == From: "Henry Nordsiek" <h1nord(at)sopris.net> Subject: RV7-List: Ignition sequence of operation I am building a RV-7A and have started to think about the electrical system. I have purchased Bob Nuckolls AeroElectric Connection. My engine will be a Superior XP-320 Plus with carburetor and the LSE Dual Plasma III CDI ignition installed at the Superior factory.I want to install a all electric panel using the Dynon FlightDEK-D180. Bob recommends his system found on Drawing Z-14 which is a double battery double alternator split buss design. Bob and LSE both recommend eliminating the standard "key switch" and replacing with toggle switches. When starting the airplane, what is the sequence of operation that should take place? 1. Energize primary battery contactor. 2. Energize secondary battery contactor. 3. Energize dual system cross-over contactor which lets the starter use both batteries for starting. 4. Turn primary ignition switch to ON. 5. Turn secondary ignition switch to ON. 6. Push start button 7. Turn primary alternator field switch to ON. 8. Turn secondary alternator field switch to ON. 9. De-energize the dual system cross-over contactor. Does the preceding sequence make sense? Please advise! Henry Nordsiek ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: Mike Divan <n343fd(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Ignition sequence of operation Hole-E-Cow! I kind of like the old fashion way. 1. Pump the throttle a couple times 2.Advance the throttle a tad 3. Turn on battery 4. Hit the ignition 5. It starts. :) Just kidding with ya a little Mike Divan N64GH - RV6,flying :) SLOW 7 Builder :( EAA - 577486 FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: John Bright <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Oshkosh
All, I didn't read all the emails but just go! The organizers have thought of everything. You'll see all manner of flying machines from people who strap engines on their backs and anything else you can think of. If it rains just think, it could be sunny back home at work! Thanks, John Bright Southeast Virginia ----- Original Message ---- From: gbrasch <gbrasch(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:18:07 PM Subject: RV7-List: Re: Oshkosh Can anybody give Mike some positive advice? Mike, this will be my 25th "Oshkosh" and I have never had a bad year. Sure, the weather might get bad but that is just part of it. They will give you a map of the grounds when you get there, go over it and pick out what you want to see, because you won't be able to get it all in, even in a full week. Hope this helps. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360 Tucson, Arizona Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167434#167434 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dog67(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Subject: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum
Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm interested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Subject: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum
Yup I got one, the long cowl with a prop extension swinging a heavy Hartzel l C/S prop. I do aerobatics with it too. Two of my friends also have them one is flying Seem to be a little faster than a standard RV in a side by side flyoff..Coo ling works great. Its a little more work than a Vans cowl, mainly because of the plenum. Looks hot though! Frank Rv7a 260 hours ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm inte rested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.<http://mo ney.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum
Date: Mar 04, 2008
I have the Sam James cowls and plenum on my RV-7A. Cooling is not an issue under any conditions, and they look great. I don't think they're any faster than stock, but then I have nothing to compare against. The install effort might be a tad more, but basically the same effort. Garry Stout Tampa Fl ----- Original Message ----- From: Dog67(at)aol.com To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm interested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Hall" <dhall(at)donka.net>
Subject: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum
Date: Mar 04, 2008
I was turned off by the rqmt for prop extension. I thought that limited aerobatic use, so curious to hear that it does not. I****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm interested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 _____ It's Tax Time! Get <http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com>
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Subject: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum
Well its like evrything else in flying...I.e how hard are you going to do i t? One thing I learned is this airplane is not an Extra 300 or a Pitts...It si mply will not do hardore aerobatics...By that I mean the only reason to pul l high is cus you screwed something up. So far I have logged +5 and -ve 2.3 G's...and that was while attempting an inverted spin...which it oes not like to do. and this airplane will really not do gyroscopic manouvers. In my reasearch I i discovered that this really is an airplane that will do everything within 3.5 to 4 Gs...As the extended hub prop is limited to _/- 4Gs its really not an issue. If you would like to see the acro I do look in "youtube.com" and sarch unde r "rv aerobatics"...I have put three vids up there under my user name "fran k hinde" Enjoy Frank ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum I was turned off by the rqmt for prop extension. I thought that limited ae robatic use, so curious to hear that it does not. I****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm inte rested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.<http://mo ney.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 04, 2008
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV-7 tipup finish kitsearchable inventory list?
Just picked up my -7 taildragger tipup finish kit. Does anyone have a searchable pick list they are willing to share? Thanks, Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "B Tomm" <fvalarm(at)rapidnet.net>
Subject: Frank, great Videos
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Frank great videos! Do you have a inverted oil system? I'm not flying yet so I don't know how long I can hold inverted without using an inverted oil system. Which sound track are you using for the aerobatics 3 video? Very nice. Bevan RV7A wiring. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Well its like evrything else in flying...I.e how hard are you going to do it? One thing I learned is this airplane is not an Extra 300 or a Pitts...It simply will not do hardore aerobatics...By that I mean the only reason to pull high is cus you screwed something up. So far I have logged +5 and -ve 2.3 G's...and that was while attempting an inverted spin...which it oes not like to do. and this airplane will really not do gyroscopic manouvers. In my reasearch I i discovered that this really is an airplane that will do everything within 3.5 to 4 Gs...As the extended hub prop is limited to _/- 4Gs its really not an issue. If you would like to see the acro I do look in "youtube.com" and sarch under "rv aerobatics"...I have put three vids up there under my user name "frank hinde" Enjoy Frank _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum I was turned off by the rqmt for prop extension. I thought that limited aerobatic use, so curious to hear that it does not. I****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm interested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 _____ It's Tax Time! Get <http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon Jack" <gordjack(at)telus.net>
Subject: Frank, great Videos
Date: Mar 04, 2008
Bevan You beat me to it :-) I was enjoying all Frank's videos so much I had not got around to thank him for such great video. Frank Very professional. I just happen to love that song. Led Zeppelin Rock n Roll from Led 4 1972 my grad year. Oops, I guess you know how old I am now :-) Gord RV 7A 70011 Slider C-FRVN @ CYXS 95% done Final assy. and wiring. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Tomm Sent: March 4, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: RV7-List: Frank, great Videos Frank great videos! Do you have a inverted oil system? I'm not flying yet so I don't know how long I can hold inverted without using an inverted oil system. Which sound track are you using for the aerobatics 3 video? Very nice. Bevan RV7A wiring. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Well its like evrything else in flying...I.e how hard are you going to do it? One thing I learned is this airplane is not an Extra 300 or a Pitts...It simply will not do hardore aerobatics...By that I mean the only reason to pull high is cus you screwed something up. So far I have logged +5 and -ve 2.3 G's...and that was while attempting an inverted spin...which it oes not like to do. and this airplane will really not do gyroscopic manouvers. In my reasearch I i discovered that this really is an airplane that will do everything within 3.5 to 4 Gs...As the extended hub prop is limited to _/- 4Gs its really not an issue. If you would like to see the acro I do look in "youtube.com" and sarch under "rv aerobatics"...I have put three vids up there under my user name "frank hinde" Enjoy Frank _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum I was turned off by the rqmt for prop extension. I thought that limited aerobatic use, so curious to hear that it does not. I****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm interested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 _____ It's Tax Time! Get <http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronhref="ht tp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stephan Servatius" <romeo.victor@t-online.de>
Subject: Frank, great Videos
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Hi guys, what videos are you talking about and where can I get them? Stephan RV8 D-EBRV 180 hrs. Von: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Gordon Jack Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. M=E4rz 2008 05:39 An: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Betreff: RE: RV7-List: Frank, great Videos Bevan You beat me to it J I was enjoying all Frank=92s videos so much I had not got around to thank him for such great video. Frank Very professional. I just happen to love that song. Led Zeppelin Rock n Roll from Led 4 1972 my grad year. Oops, I guess you know how old I am now J Gord RV 7A 70011 Slider C-FRVN @ CYXS 95% done Final assy. and wiring. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Tomm Sent: March 4, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: RV7-List: Frank, great Videos Frank great videos! Do you have a inverted oil system? I'm not flying yet so I don't know how long I can hold inverted without using an inverted oil system. Which sound track are you using for the aerobatics 3 video? Very nice. Bevan RV7A wiring. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Well its like evrything else in flying...I.e how hard are you going to do it? One thing I learned is this airplane is not an Extra 300 or a Pitts...It simply will not do hardore aerobatics...By that I mean the only reason to pull high is cus you screwed something up. So far I have logged +5 and -ve 2.3 G's...and that was while attempting an inverted spin...which it oes not like to do. and this airplane will really not do gyroscopic manouvers. In my reasearch I i discovered that this really is an airplane that will do everything within 3.5 to 4 Gs...As the extended hub prop is limited to _/- 4Gs its really not an issue. If you would like to see the acro I do look in "youtube.com" and sarch under "rv aerobatics"...I have put three vids up there under my user name "frank hinde" Enjoy Frank _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum I was turned off by the rqmt for prop extension. I thought that limited aerobatic use, so curious to hear that it does not. I****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm interested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 _____ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and <http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronhre f="ht tp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics .com/ Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon Jack" <gordjack(at)telus.net>
Subject: Frank, great Videos
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Stephan >From Frank=92s post on the bottom of page >>If you would like to see the acro I do look in "youtube.com" and search under "rv aerobatics"...I have put three vids up there under my user name "frank hinde"<< Enjoy Gord RV 7A 70011 Slider C-FRVN @ CYXS 95% done Final assy. and wiring. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephan Servatius Sent: March 5, 2008 5:03 AM Subject: AW: RV7-List: Frank, great Videos Hi guys, what videos are you talking about and where can I get them? Stephan RV8 D-EBRV 180 hrs. Von: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Gordon Jack Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. M=E4rz 2008 05:39 An: rv7-list(at)matronics.com Betreff: RE: RV7-List: Frank, great Videos Bevan You beat me to it :-) I was enjoying all Frank=92s videos so much I had not got around to thank him for such great video. Frank Very professional. I just happen to love that song. Led Zeppelin Rock n Roll from Led 4 1972 my grad year. Oops, I guess you know how old I am now :-) Gord RV 7A 70011 Slider C-FRVN @ CYXS 95% done Final assy. and wiring. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Tomm Sent: March 4, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: RV7-List: Frank, great Videos Frank great videos! Do you have a inverted oil system? I'm not flying yet so I don't know how long I can hold inverted without using an inverted oil system. Which sound track are you using for the aerobatics 3 video? Very nice. Bevan RV7A wiring. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Well its like evrything else in flying...I.e how hard are you going to do it? One thing I learned is this airplane is not an Extra 300 or a Pitts...It simply will not do hardore aerobatics...By that I mean the only reason to pull high is cus you screwed something up. So far I have logged +5 and -ve 2.3 G's...and that was while attempting an inverted spin...which it oes not like to do. and this airplane will really not do gyroscopic manouvers. In my reasearch I i discovered that this really is an airplane that will do everything within 3.5 to 4 Gs...As the extended hub prop is limited to _/- 4Gs its really not an issue. If you would like to see the acro I do look in "youtube.com" and sarch under "rv aerobatics"...I have put three vids up there under my user name "frank hinde" Enjoy Frank _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum I was turned off by the rqmt for prop extension. I thought that limited aerobatic use, so curious to hear that it does not. I****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm interested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 _____ It's Tax Time! Get <http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronhre f="ht tp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics .com/ Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rouault, Jason (Security Management)" <jason.rouault(at)hp.com>
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Subject: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum
Some props have built in hub extensions with zero acro limitations. My MT 3 Blade is one of them. Jason From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Well its like evrything else in flying...I.e how hard are you going to do i t? One thing I learned is this airplane is not an Extra 300 or a Pitts...It si mply will not do hardore aerobatics...By that I mean the only reason to pul l high is cus you screwed something up. So far I have logged +5 and -ve 2.3 G's...and that was while attempting an inverted spin...which it oes not like to do. and this airplane will really not do gyroscopic manouvers. In my reasearch I i discovered that this really is an airplane that will do everything within 3.5 to 4 Gs...As the extended hub prop is limited to _/- 4Gs its really not an issue. If you would like to see the acro I do look in "youtube.com" and sarch unde r "rv aerobatics"...I have put three vids up there under my user name "fran k hinde" Enjoy Frank ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum I was turned off by the rqmt for prop extension. I thought that limited ae robatic use, so curious to hear that it does not. I****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm inte rested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.<http://mo ney.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Cudney <yenduc(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Riverside air show
Date: Mar 05, 2008
The Riverside Air Show is Saturday, March 29 (see details of the show at http://www.riversideca.gov/airshow/). It should be a good one; the C 17 is coming again to blow up a storm. As usual Loretta and I will be serving hamburgers and hot dogs at our hangar ( C 1, just west of the Tower). All are welcome to join us -- we also have a great place to watch the air show. My RV 7A project is coming along for completion sometime later this year and can be seen in the hangar. Right now I' baffling over the engine baffling. Hope to see you there. dave > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com>
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Subject: Frank, great Videos
Well thanks guys, feel free to rate the videos and add any comments at the youtube site... Actually i am getting better with the editing software and I think I know w hat I'm doing wrong during the vertical rolls ...So as soon as this head co ld leaves me I'll go make #4. Cheers Frank ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Jack Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: Frank, great Videos Bevan You beat me to it :) I was enjoying all Frank's videos so much I had not got around to thank him for such great video. Frank Very professional. I just happen to love that song. Led Zeppelin Rock n Roll from Led 4 1972 my grad year. Oops, I guess you know how old I am now :) Gord RV 7A 70011 Slider C-FRVN @ CYXS 95% done Final assy. and wiring. ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of B Tomm Sent: March 4, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: RV7-List: Frank, great Videos Frank great videos! Do you have a inverted oil system? I'm not flying yet so I don't know how l ong I can hold inverted without using an inverted oil system. Which sound track are you using for the aerobatics 3 video? Very nice. Bevan RV7A wiring. ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Well its like evrything else in flying...I.e how hard are you going to do i t? One thing I learned is this airplane is not an Extra 300 or a Pitts...It si mply will not do hardore aerobatics...By that I mean the only reason to pul l high is cus you screwed something up. So far I have logged +5 and -ve 2.3 G's...and that was while attempting an inverted spin...which it oes not like to do. and this airplane will really not do gyroscopic manouvers. In my reasearch I i discovered that this really is an airplane that will do everything within 3.5 to 4 Gs...As the extended hub prop is limited to _/- 4Gs its really not an issue. If you would like to see the acro I do look in "youtube.com" and sarch unde r "rv aerobatics"...I have put three vids up there under my user name "fran k hinde" Enjoy Frank ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum I was turned off by the rqmt for prop extension. I thought that limited ae robatic use, so curious to hear that it does not. I****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm inte rested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.<http://mo ney.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde(at)hp.com>
Date: Mar 05, 2008
Subject: Frank, great Videos
Bevan,,, Yes I do....I am told you can go negative briefly with no ill effects...but with an engine worth 25 grand I certainly wouldn't! As soon as the G's go negative the oil pressure will dissappear..I would ma ybe do the briefest of hesitation roles but the great thing with an invert system is that you eventually get to the point where you are perfectly comf ortable no matter what attitude the airplane is in. You can also screw everything up without fear of damaging the motor..:) rv aerobatics 3 has a Led Zepplin sountrack (LZ4) RV Aerobatics uses Robert Randolph and the family band..Live at the Wetland s is the album, Ted's jam is the track. Frank ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of B Tomm Sent: March 4, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: RV7-List: Frank, great Videos Frank great videos! Do you have a inverted oil system? I'm not flying yet so I don't know how l ong I can hold inverted without using an inverted oil system. Which sound track are you using for the aerobatics 3 video? Very nice. Bevan RV7A wiring. ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Well its like evrything else in flying...I.e how hard are you going to do i t? One thing I learned is this airplane is not an Extra 300 or a Pitts...It si mply will not do hardore aerobatics...By that I mean the only reason to pul l high is cus you screwed something up. So far I have logged +5 and -ve 2.3 G's...and that was while attempting an inverted spin...which it oes not like to do. and this airplane will really not do gyroscopic manouvers. In my reasearch I i discovered that this really is an airplane that will do everything within 3.5 to 4 Gs...As the extended hub prop is limited to _/- 4Gs its really not an issue. If you would like to see the acro I do look in "youtube.com" and sarch unde r "rv aerobatics"...I have put three vids up there under my user name "fran k hinde" Enjoy Frank ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum I was turned off by the rqmt for prop extension. I thought that limited ae robatic use, so curious to hear that it does not. I****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Dog67(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 Holy Cowl plenum Anyone have any experience using a 'Holy Cowl' plenum on an RV-7? I'm inte rested in ease of use, performance, cooling, etc. Thanks Jon Apfelbaum, SLC, UT Slowly building an RV-7 ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.<http://mo ney.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Spinner fit to prop cutout ?
Date: Mar 09, 2008
Just mounted the prop - Hartzell BA and now need to fit the spinner. 7a with o-360. It has not been run yet so there has never been any oil circulating from the engine to the prop. Is there any problem twisting the prop from coarse to fine pitch by hand to fit the prop relief in the spinner cutout? Any way to damage the prop? Any way to make it easier? How much effort would be "normally" required to twist it from coarse to fine? Help appreciated! Thanks Bill S 7a Ark ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Spinner fit to prop cutout ?
Date: Mar 09, 2008
Wont hurt it at all. Some props are harder than others but it shouldnt take much to overcome the friction force. Dont SLAM it from stop to stop just do it gently. Nuff said. Mike _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Schlatterer Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: RV7-List: Spinner fit to prop cutout ? Just mounted the prop - Hartzell BA and now need to fit the spinner. 7a with o-360. It has not been run yet so there has never been any oil circulating from the engine to the prop. Is there any problem twisting the prop from coarse to fine pitch by hand to fit the prop relief in the spinner cutout? Any way to damage the prop? Any way to make it easier? How much effort would be "normally" required to twist it from coarse to fine? Help appreciated! Thanks Bill S 7a Ark ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer
Date: Mar 11, 2008
I have a problem with the Spinner gap caused by using the Vans 2.25 spacer recommendation instead of waiting on the prop. First let me say that I think the spacer method would have worked fine BUT it should have been 2 1/16 instead of 2 1/4. I am fitting a Hartzell BA to an O-360 AIA and it just doesn't work. I used the 1/4 inch metal spacer and one washer under the spinner plate per plans. The first picture shows the spinner spacer which was three pieces of good plywood cut accordingly with a couple of nickels for additional space. That gave me a 2.230" spacer. I fitted the cowl which was a little tight at the top and a little wide at the bottom. The faces of the top and bottom cowl are not actually parallel. My plan was to build up the inside back of the top cowl face and the outside of the bottom face and then shave it parallel with the spinner plate to make a perfect 1/4. In the second picture with no prop and spacer, the clearance at the top is a little under 1/4 and maybe 3/8 at the bottom. Third picture. Now comes the prop and with nothing different,..the gap closed to 0 at the top and 1/4 at the bottom. No doubt about it, the spacer was simply too long. It should have been no more that 2 1/8 to 2 1/16 to leave a little fill room. 2.00 might be perfect if you plan to true up the face later. It the spacer is too long, it causes you to fit the cowl further out from the firewall than it should be. Here is where I would ask for an opinion on my fix. I don't want to recut the hinges and try to move it around so I am thinking that I will build up the top cowl face from the inside with epoxy and long hair flox about 3/8 of an inch and then simply sand off/back 1/4 inch off the top half of the cowl and square it up with the spinner plate. In the third picture, you can see marks that would be a 1/4 inch gap. (effectively just sand back to those lines) The bottom is about right now but needs to be trued up a bit with some build on the outside and then the whole cowl face fitted parallel to the spinner. This doesn't seem like nearly as much work as cutting the whole face off, trimming, and then glassing back. Other than taking a little patience, I can't see any reason why it won't work. I don't have a lot of glass experience yet but I think the epoxy / long hair / layer of glass on the inside should be as strong as the original when it's sanded back a 1/4. The last picture shows how much needs to come off on the top. ( 1/4 inch paint paddle) Comments please. Thanks for any help? Bill Schlatterer 7a ARK ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Andrew Phillips <andrew.phillips(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer
Date: Mar 12, 2008
The exact same thing happened to me. On van's recommendation I did exactly what you are planning to do. I filled the back side of the cowl nose the sanded it. What a pain! Andrew Phillips On 11-Mar-08, at 10:41 PM, Bill Schlatterer wrote: > > I have a problem with the Spinner gap caused by using the Vans 2.25 > spacer recommendation instead of waiting on the prop. First let me > say that I think the spacer method would have worked fine BUT it > should have been 2 1/16 instead of 2 1/4. I am fitting a Hartzell > BA to an O-360 AIA and it just doesn't work. I used the 1/4 inch > metal spacer and one washer under the spinner plate per plans. > > The first picture shows the spinner spacer which was three pieces of > good plywood cut accordingly with a couple of nickels for additional > space. That gave me a 2.230" spacer. I fitted the cowl which was a > little tight at the top and a little wide at the bottom. The faces > of the top and bottom cowl are not actually parallel. My plan was > to build up the inside back of the top cowl face and the outside of > the bottom face and then shave it parallel with the spinner plate to > make a perfect 1/4. In the second picture with no prop and spacer, > the clearance at the top is a little under 1/4 and maybe 3/8 at the > bottom. > > Third picture. Now comes the prop and with nothing different,=85.the > gap closed to 0 at the top and 1/4 at the bottom. No doubt about > it, the spacer was simply too long. It should have been no more > that 2 1/8 to 2 1/16 to leave a little fill room. 2.00 might be > perfect if you plan to true up the face later. It the spacer is too > long, it causes you to fit the cowl further out from the firewall > than it should be. > > Here is where I would ask for an opinion on my fix. > > I don't want to recut the hinges and try to move it around so I am > thinking that I will build up the top cowl face from the inside with > epoxy and long hair flox about 3/8 of an inch and then simply sand > off/back 1/4 inch off the top half of the cowl and square it up > with the spinner plate. In the third picture, you can see marks > that would be a 1/4 inch gap. (effectively just sand back to those > lines) > > The bottom is about right now but needs to be trued up a bit with > some build on the outside and then the whole cowl face fitted > parallel to the spinner. This doesn't seem like nearly as much > work as cutting the whole face off, trimming, and then glassing > back. Other than taking a little patience, I can't see any reason > why it won=92t work. I don't have a lot of glass experience yet but I > think the epoxy / long hair / layer of glass on the inside should be > as strong as the original when it's sanded back a 1/4. The last > picture shows how much needs to come off on the top. ( 1/4 inch > paint paddle) > > Comments please. > > <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> > > Thanks for any help? > > Bill Schlatterer > 7a ARK > > <100_4358.jpg><100_4359.jpg><100_4401.jpg><100_4423.jpg> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer
Date: Mar 12, 2008
From: rikvincent(at)aol.com
How about shimming with washer the motor mount at the firewall. Rick RV 6 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Schlatterer <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 6:41 pm Subject: RV7-List: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer I have a problem with the Spinner gap caused by using the Vans 2.25 spacer r ecommendation instead of waiting on the prop.=C2- First let me say that I think the spacer method would have worked fine BUT it should have been 2 1/1 6 instead of 2 1/4.=C2- I am fitting a Hartzell BA to an O-360 AIA and it just doesn't work.=C2- I used the 1/4 inch metal spacer and one washer und er the spinner plate per plans. The first picture shows the spinner spacer which was three pieces of good pl ywood cut accordingly with a couple of nickels for additional space.=C2- T hat gave me a 2.230" spacer.=C2- I fitted the cowl which was a little tigh t at the top and a little wide at the bottom.=C2- The faces of the top and bottom cowl are not actually parallel.=C2- My plan was to build up the in side back of the top cowl face and the outside of the bottom face and then s have it parallel with the spinner plate to make a perfect 1/4.=C2-=C2- I n the second picture with no prop and spacer, the clearance at the top is a little under 1/4 and maybe 3/8 at the bottom. Third picture.=C2-=C2- Now comes the prop and with nothing different, .the gap closed to 0 at the top and 1/4 at the bottom.=C2- No dou bt about it, the spacer was simply too long.=C2- It should have been no mo re that 2 1/8 to 2 1/16 to leave a little fill room.=C2- 2.00 might be per fect if you plan to true up the face later.=C2- It the spacer is too long, it causes you to fit the cowl further out from the firewall than it should be. Here is where I would ask for an opinion on my fix. I don't want to recut the hinges and try to move it around so I am thinking that I will build up the top cowl face from the inside with epoxy and long h air flox about 3/8 of an inch and then simply sand off/back=C2- 1/4 inch o ff the top half of the cowl and square it up with the spinner plate.=C2- I n the third picture, you can see marks that would be a 1/4 inch gap. (effect ively just sand back to those lines) The bottom is about right now but needs to be trued up a bit with some build on the outside and then the whole cowl face fitted parallel to the spinner. =C2-=C2- This doesn't seem like nearly as much work as cutting the whole face off, trimming, and then glassing back.=C2- Other than taking a littl e patience, I can't see any reason why it won=99t work.=C2- I don't have a lot of glass experience yet but I think the epoxy / long hair / layer of glass on the inside should be as strong as the original when it's sanded back a 1/4.=C2- The last picture shows how much needs to come off on the top. ( 1/4=C2- inch paint paddle) Comments please. <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> Thanks for any help? Bill Schlatterer 7a ARK [Image Removed] [Image Removed] [Image Removed] [Image Removed] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Andrew Phillips <andrew.phillips(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer
Date: Mar 12, 2008
As mentioned in my last reply, I did the fiberglass work on the basis of Van's recommendation. I also did the shim trick. I added 1 washer under each mount so that gave me 1/16" or so then I had less to remove from the cowl. Van's cautioned me from doing to much spacing at the motor mount. Andrew On 12-Mar-08, at 10:44 AM, rikvincent(at)aol.com wrote: > How about shimming with washer the motor mount at the firewall. > Rick RV 6 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Schlatterer <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> > To: RV7A(at)yahoogroups.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv7- > list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 6:41 pm > Subject: RV7-List: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer > > > I have a problem with the Spinner gap caused by using the Vans 2.25 > spacer recommendation instead of waiting on the prop. First let me > say that I think the spacer method would have worked fine BUT it > should have been 2 1/16 instead of 2 1/4. I am fitting a Hartzell > BA to an O-360 AIA and it just doesn't work. I used the 1/4 inch > metal spacer and one washer under the spinner plate per plans. > The first picture shows the spinner spacer which was three pieces of > good plywood cut accordingly with a couple of nickels for additional > space. That gave me a 2.230" spacer. I fitted the cowl which was a > little tight at the top and a little wide at the bottom. The faces > of the top and bottom cowl are not actually parallel. My plan was > to build up the inside back of the top cowl face and the outside of > the bottom face and then shave it parallel with the spinner plate to > make a perfect 1/4. In the second picture with no prop and spacer, > the clearance at the top is a little under 1/4 and maybe 3/8 at the > bottom. > Third picture. Now comes the prop and with nothing different,=85.the > gap closed to 0 at the top and 1/4 at the bottom. No doubt about > it, the spacer was simply too long. It should have been no more > that 2 1/8 to 2 1/16 to leave a little fill room. 2.00 might be > perfect if you plan to true up the face later. It the spacer is too > long, it causes you to fit the cowl further out from the firewall > than it should be. > Here is where I would ask for an opinion on my fix. > I don't want to recut the hinges and try to move it around so I am > thinking that I will build up the top cowl face from the inside with > epoxy and long hair flox about 3/8 of an inch and then simply sand > off/back 1/4 inch off the top half of the cowl and square it up > with the spinner plate. In the third picture, you can see marks > that would be a 1/4 inch gap. (effectively just sand back to those > lines) > The bottom is about right now but needs to be trued up a bit with > some build on the outside and then the whole cowl face fitted > parallel to the spinner. This doesn't seem like nearly as much > work as cutting the whole face off, trimming, and then glassing > back. Other than taking a little patience, I can't see any reason > why it won=92t work. I don't have a lot of glass experience yet but I > think the epoxy / long hair / layer of glass on the inside should be > as strong as the original when it's sanded back a 1/4. The last > picture shows how much needs to come off on the top. ( 1/4 inch > paint paddle) > Comments please. > <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> > Thanks for any help? > Bill Schlatterer > 7a ARK > > [Image Removed] > [Image Removed] > [Image Removed] > [Image Removed] > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer
Date: Mar 12, 2008
I should have checked the list before I started but the instructions were so clear, it just never occurred to me that they would be that far off. Either way, it looks like I have some "fitting" work to do. The shim at the firewall Rick mentioned would be a help and probably no significant impact on the CG. Did you use layers of glass or epoxy flox combination? Someone mentioned that the epoxy/flox was a lot harder to work. Thanks Bill S _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Phillips Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer As mentioned in my last reply, I did the fiberglass work on the basis of Van's recommendation. I also did the shim trick. I added 1 washer under each mount so that gave me 1/16" or so then I had less to remove from the cowl. Van's cautioned me from doing to much spacing at the motor mount. Andrew On 12-Mar-08, at 10:44 AM, rikvincent(at)aol.com wrote: How about shimming with washer the motor mount at the firewall. Rick RV 6 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Schlatterer <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 6:41 pm Subject: RV7-List: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer I have a problem with the Spinner gap caused by using the Vans 2.25 spacer recommendation instead of waiting on the prop. First let me say that I think the spacer method would have worked fine BUT it should have been 2 1/16 instead of 2 1/4. I am fitting a Hartzell BA to an O-360 AIA and it just doesn't work. I used the 1/4 inch metal spacer and one washer under the spinner plate per plans. The first picture shows the spinner spacer which was three pieces of good plywood cut accordingly with a couple of nickels for additional space. That gave me a 2.230" spacer. I fitted the cowl which was a little tight at the top and a little wide at the bottom. The faces of the top and bottom cowl are not actually parallel. My plan was to build up the inside back of the top cowl face and the outside of the bottom face and then shave it parallel with the spinner plate to make a perfect 1/4. In the second picture with no prop and spacer, the clearance at the top is a little under 1/4 and maybe 3/8 at the bottom. Third picture. Now comes the prop and with nothing different,..the gap closed to 0 at the top and 1/4 at the bottom. No doubt about it, the spacer was simply too long. It should have been no more that 2 1/8 to 2 1/16 to leave a little fill room. 2.00 might be perfect if you plan to true up the face later. It the spacer is too long, it causes you to fit the cowl further out from the firewall than it should be. Here is where I would ask for an opinion on my fix. I don't want to recut the hinges and try to move it around so I am thinking that I will build up the top cowl face from the inside with epoxy and long hair flox about 3/8 of an inch and then simply sand off/back 1/4 inch off the top half of the cowl and square it up with the spinner plate. In the third picture, you can see marks that would be a 1/4 inch gap. (effectively just sand back to those lines) The bottom is about right now but needs to be trued up a bit with some build on the outside and then the whole cowl face fitted parallel to the spinner. This doesn't seem like nearly as much work as cutting the whole face off, trimming, and then glassing back. Other than taking a little patience, I can't see any reason why it won't work. I don't have a lot of glass experience yet but I think the epoxy / long hair / layer of glass on the inside should be as strong as the original when it's sanded back a 1/4. The last picture shows how much needs to come off on the top. ( 1/4 inch paint paddle) Comments please. <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> Thanks for any help? Bill Schlatterer 7a ARK [Image Removed] <http://webmail.aol.com/35304/aol/en-us/Mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.20043 591&folder=Inbox&partId=4> [Image Removed] <http://webmail.aol.com/35304/aol/en-us/Mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.20043 591&folder=Inbox&partId=5> [Image Removed] <http://webmail.aol.com/35304/aol/en-us/Mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.20043 591&folder=Inbox&partId=6> [Image Removed] <http://webmail.aol.com/35304/aol/en-us/Mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.20043 591&folder=Inbox&partId=7> _____ Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar <http://download.aim.com/client/aimtoolbar?NCID=aolcmp00300000002586> for your browser. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Andrew Phillips <andrew.phillips(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer
Date: Mar 13, 2008
I used epoxy/fox. I stood the cowl on end and made the mix just a bit soupy then poured it it. I just smoothed out the top when done. No glass was used and it worked fine. Andrew On 12-Mar-08, at 8:54 PM, Bill Schlatterer wrote: > I should have checked the list before I started but the instructions > were so clear, it just never occurred to me that they would be that > far off. Either way, it looks like I have some "fitting" work to > do. The shim at the firewall Rick mentioned would be a help and > probably no significant impact on the CG. Did you use layers of > glass or epoxy flox combination? Someone mentioned that the epoxy/ > flox was a lot harder to work. > > Thanks Bill S > > > From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Andrew Phillips > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:24 AM > To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV7-List: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer > > As mentioned in my last reply, I did the fiberglass work on the > basis of Van's recommendation. I also did the shim trick. I added 1 > washer under each mount so that gave me 1/16" or so then I had less > to remove from the cowl. Van's cautioned me from doing to much > spacing at the motor mount. > Andrew > > On 12-Mar-08, at 10:44 AM, rikvincent(at)aol.com wrote: > >> How about shimming with washer the motor mount at the firewall. >> Rick RV 6 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Schlatterer <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> >> To: RV7A(at)yahoogroups.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv7-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 6:41 pm >> Subject: RV7-List: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer >> >> >> I have a problem with the Spinner gap caused by using the Vans 2.25 >> spacer recommendation instead of waiting on the prop. First let me >> say that I think the spacer method would have worked fine BUT it >> should have been 2 1/16 instead of 2 1/4. I am fitting a Hartzell >> BA to an O-360 AIA and it just doesn't work. I used the 1/4 inch >> metal spacer and one washer under the spinner plate per plans. >> The first picture shows the spinner spacer which was three pieces >> of good plywood cut accordingly with a couple of nickels for >> additional space. That gave me a 2.230" spacer. I fitted the cowl >> which was a little tight at the top and a little wide at the >> bottom. The faces of the top and bottom cowl are not actually >> parallel. My plan was to build up the inside back of the top cowl >> face and the outside of the bottom face and then shave it parallel >> with the spinner plate to make a perfect 1/4. In the second >> picture with no prop and spacer, the clearance at the top is a >> little under 1/4 and maybe 3/8 at the bottom. >> Third picture. Now comes the prop and with nothing different, >> =85.the gap closed to 0 at the top and 1/4 at the bottom. No doubt >> about it, the spacer was simply too long. It should have been no >> more that 2 1/8 to 2 1/16 to leave a little fill room. 2.00 might >> be perfect if you plan to true up the face later. It the spacer is >> too long, it causes you to fit the cowl further out from the >> firewall than it should be. >> Here is where I would ask for an opinion on my fix. >> I don't want to recut the hinges and try to move it around so I am >> thinking that I will build up the top cowl face from the inside >> with epoxy and long hair flox about 3/8 of an inch and then simply >> sand off/back 1/4 inch off the top half of the cowl and square it >> up with the spinner plate. In the third picture, you can see marks >> that would be a 1/4 inch gap. (effectively just sand back to those >> lines) >> The bottom is about right now but needs to be trued up a bit with >> some build on the outside and then the whole cowl face fitted >> parallel to the spinner. This doesn't seem like nearly as much >> work as cutting the whole face off, trimming, and then glassing >> back. Other than taking a little patience, I can't see any reason >> why it won=92t work. I don't have a lot of glass experience yet but >> I think the epoxy / long hair / layer of glass on the inside should >> be as strong as the original when it's sanded back a 1/4. The last >> picture shows how much needs to come off on the top. ( 1/4 inch >> paint paddle) >> Comments please. >> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> >> Thanks for any help? >> Bill Schlatterer >> 7a ARK >> >> [Image Removed] >> [Image Removed] >> [Image Removed] >> [Image Removed] >> Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronhref >> ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution >> > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV7-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 15, 2008
From: Ralph Hoover <hooverra(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer
I slit the lower cowl (Just behind the spinner) , shimmed it out to get an even gap and then glassed it back together. Some fill was required to get it flat but not too much. I'm glad I'm not building one of those plastic planes. I like the slick look but glass work is a PITA in MHO YMMV. -- Ralph C. Hoover RV7A hooverra at verizon dot net Andrew Phillips wrote: > As mentioned in my last reply, I did the fiberglass work on the basis > of Van's recommendation. I also did the shim trick. I added 1 washer > under each mount so that gave me 1/16" or so then I had less to remove > from the cowl. Van's cautioned me from doing to much spacing at the > motor mount. > Andrew > > On 12-Mar-08, at 10:44 AM, rikvincent(at)aol.com > wrote: > >> How about shimming with washer the motor mount at the firewall. >> Rick RV 6 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Schlatterer <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net >> > >> To: RV7A(at)yahoogroups.com ; >> rv-list(at)matronics.com ; >> rv7-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 6:41 pm >> Subject: RV7-List: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer >> Snip ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "User &" <kmraduls(at)pure.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/15/08
Date: Mar 16, 2008
> > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV7-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 03/15/08: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 09:39 AM - Re: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer (Ralph > Subject: Re: RV7-List: Cowl to Spinner Fit with 2.25 Spacer This is what worked well for me on my RV6. I cut out 2 semi-cicle filler rings out of sheets of 3/8 " scotchs pad and satuarated with resin and then bonded to the foward cowling lip. Then glassed over and filled. Looks factory. This was needed not because a prop extension but using an Eggenfellner powerplant in a RV7 cowl. There engine mount has since been adjusted in length to iliminate the need to do this. Kelly Landrum 2.5 S/C Sub 155 hr. RV6 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cleaning Oil off the raw Cowl
From: "Jon Hussey" <jandlhussey(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mar 23, 2008
Acetone is the strongest cleaner but Denatured Alcohol works well too. Both products were used throughout my friends Lancair. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171983#171983 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "J. Brunke" <jdoody727(at)comcast.net>
Subject: tip up pistons
Date: Mar 24, 2008
Cleaning Oil off the raw CowlDear Listers, Looking for words of wisdom on installing the tip canopy pistons. It seems relatively straight foward, but I've been wrong before. Are the measurements in the drawings accurate? Also, the instructions that came with the pistons mention using foam and fiberglass to increase the rigidity of the side rails. Has anyone done this and did you notice a difference. Thanks in advance, John Brunke RV7- tip up almost tipping up. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 25, 2008
From: Reuven Silberman <pilots2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: tip up pistons
John, We didnt have any problems with the piston installation by just following the directions. The one thing I do notice is the minor flexing of the side rails when the canopy is opened and you let go if it that last 6 inches or so when the piston takes over and pushes it up. Increasing the rigidity of the side rails would be a good idea however there is not much access as there is barely enough room to get your fingers in there to place the nut for the support block so I dont see how you can get any foam and fiberglass in there. As a note; the first set of pistons didnt last long and would not relyably hold the canopy up. The second set (from Vans) work fine. Reuven Silberman N7WT 7A KSEE "J. Brunke" wrote: Dear Listers, Looking for words of wisdom on installing the tip canopy pistons. It seems relatively straight foward, but I've been wrong before. Are the measurements in the drawings accurate? Also, the instructions that came with the pistons mention using foam and fiberglass to increase the rigidity of the side rails. Has anyone done this and did you notice a difference. Thanks in advance, John Brunke RV7- tip up almost tipping up. "No pressure, no diamonds". ~Thomas Carlyle ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: tip up pistons
Date: Mar 25, 2008
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
What a timely thread. I believe the struts on my 6A have lost some of their lifting power at about 400 flight hours. What is that 2,500 cycles including building. As this has been a slow degradation I don't really remember how much better they were originally but at this point I need to push the canopy all the way up to the last 12-14" to hold. Sounds like new struts for me. Are people replacing them with the struts sold by Vans C-690 at $27.00 each or are people buying else ware? Thanks, Robin RV-4 Sold RV-6A 400 Hours RV-10 Flying sooner or Later... Probably Later ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "User &" <kmraduls(at)pure.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/25/08
Date: Mar 26, 2008
> We didnt have any problems with the piston installation by just > following the directions. > > The one thing I do notice is the minor flexing of the side rails > when the canopy is opened and you let go if it that last 6 inches or > so when the piston takes over and pushes it up. Increasing the > rigidity of the side rails would be a good idea however there is not > much access as there is barely enough room to get your fingers in > there to place the nut for the support block so I dont see how you > can get any foam and fiberglass in there. > J Brunke and others, Use plate{anchor nuts} as the winged ears will corner out and eliminate the need to hold on a wrench for tightning. Make a little 90 degree wire tool to slide the plate nut over the screw whole. Kelly Landrum ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup!
Dear Listers, I've added two new Email Lists to the Matronics List and Forum lineup today. These include the Rans-List and RV12-List. Please surf over to the Matronics List Subscription page and sign up for these new Lists if they are of interest to you: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Full support on the Forums, List Browse, Archives, etc. is available. Rans-List: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rans-List RV12-List http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV12-List Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2008
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Q on sump fit on O- & IO-360's
Anyone know whether the various sumps for Lyc 360 engines are interchangeable between the parallel valve & angle valve engines? I've got a parallel valve engine & a chance to purchase a sump off an angle valve engine (no p/n supplied for the sump). Seems unlikely that the original intake tubes would fit, but will they? If not, are the sumps 'standardized' on inlet tube position so parallel valve tubes would be available to fit? Thanks, Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook(at)cox.net>
Subject: Question about QB Fuselage
Date: Mar 31, 2008
When I received my QB fuse, I noticed that there was a crease along the firewall that angles it forward slightly. At first I was concerned, and then I looked at some of my pictures of a QB fuse from OSH and noticed the same anomaly. Anyone know the reason for this? Scott R. Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 31, 2008
From: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson(at)pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Question about QB Fuselage
Hi Scott, There are a couple of ribs that extend forward/aft that make up the structure of the panel and they tie into the firewall. No worries. The ribs come in the finish kit. Regards, /\/elson RV-7A TU - Fuselage, Canopy Frame, Controls - where does it stop? Austin, TX ~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~ On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Scott R. Shook wrote: > When I received my QB fuse, I noticed that there was a crease along the > firewall that angles it forward slightly. At first I was concerned, and > then I looked at some of my pictures of a QB fuse from OSH and noticed the > same anomaly. > > Anyone know the reason for this? > > > Scott R. Shook > RV-7A (Building) > N696JS (Reserved) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 31, 2008
From: "RALPH HOOVER" <hooverra(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Question about QB Fuselage
Scott, This bend is by design, It makes the top skin perpendicular (or close to it, I didn't measure) to the firewall. Just one of many engineering decisions, you would need to ask Van for the rational. It does make the firewall flange ~90 instead of something less which could make cowl attachment more difficult. Ralph & Laura Hoover RV7A N527LR _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott R. Shook Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: RV7-List: Question about QB Fuselage When I received my QB fuse, I noticed that there was a crease along the firewall that angles it forward slightly. At first I was concerned, and then I looked at some of my pictures of a QB fuse from OSH and noticed the same anomaly. Anyone know the reason for this? Scott R. Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2008
From: Dan Reeves <n516dr(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Question about QB Fuselage
This applies to the slow build kits as well. Just a guess,,,but that top portion of the firewall is connected to 2 ribs on the cabin side that extend through the sub-panel and ultimately to the panel, providing an 8 degree tilt to all three - the firewall, sub-panel, and panel. Dan RV-7A RALPH HOOVER wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Scott, This bend is by design, It makes the top skin perpendicular (or close to it, I didnt measure) to the firewall. Just one of many engineering decisions, you would need to ask Van for the rational. It does make the firewall


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