RV7-Archive.digest.vol-ar
August 30, 2009 - June 30, 2010
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
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| From: | "Don Owens" <springcanyon(at)methow.com> |
| Subject: | Fitting The Spinner To A Hartzell |
Hi Matt,
I'm not sure where I got the idea, but I clamped a padded 2x4 to the prop
blade so I could rotate it through it's normal travel. Then I, cut'n fit,
cut'n fit, cut'n fit, until I had what appeared to be adequate clearance
between the spinner and prop blade. I didn't know about the 1"
requirement - sounds like a lot. Hmm...now I wonder if I have enough
clearance.
Don Owens
Listers,
Hartzell recommends a minimum .1" clearance around the prop blade for the
spinner. I did that exactly, but the prop would still bang on the spinner
at full pitch. I had to hog out to .25" to keep the clearance at .1" at
full pitch. It looked stupid having such a large gap in one area only so I
evened it up to .25" all the way around. But now it kind of looks like I
made the holes too big. I just can't recall seeing other installations to
know if my .25" is "too much". Anyone have any pics or thoughts on the
clearance using late-model Van's CS spinner and a Hartzell, particularly the
72" paddle blades I've got?
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
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| From: | "Don Owens" <springcanyon(at)methow.com> |
| Subject: | Fitting The Spinner To A Hartzell |
Ooops! I just now noticed the 'decimal' in your post - that changes
everything.:)
Don Owens
Listers,
Hartzell recommends a minimum .1" clearance around the prop blade for the
spinner. I did that exactly, but the prop would still bang on the spinner
at full pitch. I had to hog out to .25" to keep the clearance at .1" at
full pitch. It looked stupid having such a large gap in one area only so I
evened it up to .25" all the way around. But now it kind of looks like I
made the holes too big. I just can't recall seeing other installations to
know if my .25" is "too much". Anyone have any pics or thoughts on the
clearance using late-model Van's CS spinner and a Hartzell, particularly the
72" paddle blades I've got?
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
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| From: | dogsbark(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Fitting The Spinner To A Hartzell |
Matte,
When building my 10, I found out (after) that Hartzell has printable templa
tes to make this cut in the spinner.=C2- William Curtis has one listed fo
r the 10 http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/9XOther/8068D_Vans_Hartzell_Cutout_Templ
ate.pdf
and I'll see if I can dig one up for your application.
Sean Blair
00V
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:35:51 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RV7-List: Fitting The Spinner To A Hartzell
Listers,
Hartzell recommends a minimum .1" clearance around the prop blade for the s
pinner. =C2-I did that exactly, but the prop would still bang on the spin
ner at full pitch. =C2-I had to hog out to .25" to keep the clearance at
.1" at full pitch. =C2-It looked stupid having such a large gap in one ar
ea only so I evened it up to .25" all the way around. =C2-But now it kind
of looks like I made the holes too big. =C2-I just can't recall seeing o
ther installations to know if my .25" is "too much". =C2-Anyone have any
pics or thoughts on the clearance using late-model Van's CS spinner and a H
artzell, particularly the 72" paddle blades I've got?
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
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=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| From: | steve <steve282s(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Fitting The Spinner To A Hartzell |
Hi Matt,
1/4"- ain't bad.- Go fly.- It's all good.
--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Matt Dralle wrote:
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fitting The Spinner To A Hartzell
Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 11:35 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Listers,
Hartzell recommends a minimum .1" clearance around the prop blade for the s
pinner.- I did that exactly, but the prop would still bang on the spinner
at full pitch.- I had to hog out to .25" to keep the clearance at .1" at
full pitch.- It looked stupid having such a large gap in one area only s
o I evened it up to .25" all the way around.- But now it kind of looks li
ke I made the holes too big.- I just can't recall seeing other installati
ons to know if my .25" is "too much".- Anyone have any pics or thoughts o
n the clearance using late-model Van's CS spinner and a Hartzell, particula
rly the 72" paddle blades I've got?
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
le, List Admin.
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| From: | Jeff Hove <flying(at)jeffhove.com> |
| Subject: | Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
Has anyone with a 7A (or other RV) experienced a flat main tire during
takeoff or landing? Were you able to keep it on the runway? Did the
wheel-pant survive?
I had a left main inner-tube fail during the taxi to the runway last
week and even at a slow taxi it was hard to keep it straight as the tire
deflated. Had the tube let go a minute later I'd have been on the
take-off roll. The tire was fine and the tube was only 2 years old and
looked ok except for a quarter-sized area where the rubber had become
cracked and leaky. Apparently a manufacturing defect as there were no
rough spots or FOD in the tire to cause this.
The way the tire bunched up inside the wheel-pant made me wonder if the
wheel would continue turning and if even full opposite rudder and brake
would be enough to keep the plane rolling straight had this happened at
a higher speed.
Thanks,
Jeff Hove
Flying my father's RV-A, N347RV.
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| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
| From: | Larry Helming <lrhelming(at)gmail.com> |
No I haven't and I don't know of anyone. Sounds like you were lucky not to
have lost control. I suggest you check tire pressure during each flight's
preflight inspection. I know my tires lose pressure with time and flying
time and landings. You might consider the new tubes that cost more but
don't lose pressure. Also, maybe more space between the tire and wheel
faring should be considered. Contact Vans for more info.
Indiana Larry
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Hove wrote:
>
> Has anyone with a 7A (or other RV) experienced a flat main tire during
> takeoff or landing? Were you able to keep it on the runway? Did the
> wheel-pant survive?
>
> I had a left main inner-tube fail during the taxi to the runway last week
> and even at a slow taxi it was hard to keep it straight as the tire
> deflated. Had the tube let go a minute later I'd have been on the take-off
> roll. The tire was fine and the tube was only 2 years old and looked ok
> except for a quarter-sized area where the rubber had become cracked and
> leaky. Apparently a manufacturing defect as there were no rough spots or
> FOD in the tire to cause this.
>
> The way the tire bunched up inside the wheel-pant made me wonder if the
> wheel would continue turning and if even full opposite rudder and brake
> would be enough to keep the plane rolling straight had this happened at a
> higher speed.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Hove
>
> Flying my father's RV-A, N347RV.
>
>
--
In God I Trust.
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| From: | "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
> The tire was fine and the tube was only 2 years old and
> looked ok except for a quarter-sized area where the rubber had become
> cracked and leaky. Apparently a manufacturing defect as there were no
> rough spots or FOD in the tire to cause this.
An RV-9A owner at our field had a flat tire on a relatively new tube as well.
He found it while it was parked, so it never became a rolling incident.
When we disassembled it to find the leak, we found that the area where the leak
in the tube occurred was immediately opposite the place in the inside of the
tire where an "Inspected OK" sticker had been placed... The owner remembered seeing
the sticker when he assembled the wheel, but there wasn't much left of it
after the tube failed, just a hard lump.
I think it's highly likely that either some combination of the adhesive and label
material formed a hard substance when subjected to the repeated heating/cooling
cycles that the tires see, or maybe the label disintegrated, and the remaining
adhesive just collected all of the random grit in the tire into one place.
So when assembling your wheels, it might be a good idea to check very carefully
for inspection stickers inside the tire, and make an effort to remove them and
any adhesive residue before putting it all together.
> Flying my father's RV-A, N347RV.
Must be nice. :)
-Rob
---
Rob Prior
rv7 at b4 dot ca
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| From: | "rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com> |
| Subject: | Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
Last December, I had the right main go out on me on landing on my rv-8A.
Control was not a problem, as I was able to keep the plane going down the
runway. The only problem was that it was impossible to taxi or move the
plane once it came to a stop.
I found out the hard way the phenomena of splenation [sp], where the tube
rubs against the tire and digs a hole in the tube. After that, I use plenty
of talcum and keep my tires inflated at 40 psi. The problem has not
returned.
Cheers,
Rafael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Hove
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing
Has anyone with a 7A (or other RV) experienced a flat main tire during
takeoff or landing? Were you able to keep it on the runway? Did the
wheel-pant survive?
I had a left main inner-tube fail during the taxi to the runway last
week and even at a slow taxi it was hard to keep it straight as the tire
deflated. Had the tube let go a minute later I'd have been on the
take-off roll. The tire was fine and the tube was only 2 years old and
looked ok except for a quarter-sized area where the rubber had become
cracked and leaky. Apparently a manufacturing defect as there were no
rough spots or FOD in the tire to cause this.
The way the tire bunched up inside the wheel-pant made me wonder if the
wheel would continue turning and if even full opposite rudder and brake
would be enough to keep the plane rolling straight had this happened at
a higher speed.
Thanks,
Jeff Hove
Flying my father's RV-A, N347RV.
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| From: | Jeff Hove <flying(at)jeffhove.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
Thanks Rafael for sharing your experience. That makes me feel a little
more confident that landing with a flat isn't too bad.
Sure glad I was at my home airport with the right sized wing-jacks and
other tools available. As you said, there doesn't seem to be any way to
move the plane until after the wheel pant is removed and the tire changed.
Blue Skies,
Jeff
rafael wrote:
>
> Last December, I had the right main go out on me on landing on my rv-8A.
> Control was not a problem, as I was able to keep the plane going down the
> runway. The only problem was that it was impossible to taxi or move the
> plane once it came to a stop.
>
> I found out the hard way the phenomena of splenation [sp], where the tube
> rubs against the tire and digs a hole in the tube. After that, I use plenty
> of talcum and keep my tires inflated at 40 psi. The problem has not
> returned.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rafael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Hove
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:05 PM
> To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing
>
>
> Has anyone with a 7A (or other RV) experienced a flat main tire during
> takeoff or landing? Were you able to keep it on the runway? Did the
> wheel-pant survive?
>
> I had a left main inner-tube fail during the taxi to the runway last
> week and even at a slow taxi it was hard to keep it straight as the tire
> deflated. Had the tube let go a minute later I'd have been on the
> take-off roll. The tire was fine and the tube was only 2 years old and
> looked ok except for a quarter-sized area where the rubber had become
> cracked and leaky. Apparently a manufacturing defect as there were no
> rough spots or FOD in the tire to cause this.
>
> The way the tire bunched up inside the wheel-pant made me wonder if the
> wheel would continue turning and if even full opposite rudder and brake
> would be enough to keep the plane rolling straight had this happened at
> a higher speed.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Hove
>
> Flying my father's RV-A, N347RV.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Jeff Hove <flying(at)jeffhove.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
Unfortunately there is not an easy way to check tire pressure on the RV
without removing the whole wheel pant which is a lot of screws. It had
been checked just two weeks earlier though during a condition inspection.
On this day the tire had looked fine during pre-flight and rolled out of
the hangar easily and taxied normally. The deflation happened suddenly
during the taxi from the run-up area to the active runway.
Interesting tip about the newer style of tubes though. I'll investigate
that. Thanks.
Jeff
Larry Helming wrote:
> No I haven't and I don't know of anyone. Sounds like you were lucky not
> to have lost control. I suggest you check tire pressure during each
> flight's preflight inspection. I know my tires lose pressure with time
> and flying time and landings. You might consider the new tubes that
> cost more but don't lose pressure. Also, maybe more space between the
> tire and wheel faring should be considered. Contact Vans for more info.
>
> Indiana Larry
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Hove > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Has anyone with a 7A (or other RV) experienced a flat main tire
> during takeoff or landing? Were you able to keep it on the runway?
> Did the wheel-pant survive?
>
> I had a left main inner-tube fail during the taxi to the runway last
> week and even at a slow taxi it was hard to keep it straight as the
> tire deflated. Had the tube let go a minute later I'd have been on
> the take-off roll. The tire was fine and the tube was only 2 years
> old and looked ok except for a quarter-sized area where the rubber
> had become cracked and leaky. Apparently a manufacturing defect as
> there were no rough spots or FOD in the tire to cause this.
>
> The way the tire bunched up inside the wheel-pant made me wonder if
> the wheel would continue turning and if even full opposite rudder
> and brake would be enough to keep the plane rolling straight had
> this happened at a higher speed.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Hove
>
> Flying my father's RV-A, N347RV.
> nics.com/Navigator?RV7-List"
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com/"
> target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> ====
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> In God I Trust.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | <av8er2fly(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
I cut a hole in my wheel pants and put a spring loaded small door that I
got from ACS. I then went and got a straight pressure gauge from Sears. I
check mine every two weeks because of crappy tubes that leak. I will be
changing them next set of tires.
Marrk Rose 137MR
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| From: | "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
> Unfortunately there is not an easy way to check tire pressure on the RV
> without removing the whole wheel pant which is a lot of screws. It had
> been checked just two weeks earlier though during a condition inspection.
RV pilots at our airport have cut small holes in their wheelpants, and use a valve
stem extender that they spin on to the valve stem. When not checking tire
pressures, they plug the holes with metal snap-in hole plugs that fit almost
flush to the surface. It seems to work very neatly and the plugs can be painted
to match the wheelpant and be almost invisible.
The top plug in the picture on this page is pretty much the one they're using:
<http://www.stimpson.com/hole_plugs.htm>
I'm pretty sure the extensions they found locally are 6" long, but this is the
only example I could find with Google:
<http://www.primetimesolutions.com/Tire-Valve-Extender-9-inch>
-Rob
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Rob Prior
rv7 at b4 dot ca
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| Subject: | Re: Routing Elevator Trim Tab Servo Wires |
| From: | "jimysymonds" <jimysymonds(at)gmail.com> |
Hi dear friends,
I just got my one servo that I ordered to check it out.
It looks like they can be modified to hold an encoder.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261364#261364
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| From: | "Bill Hood" <hoodcom(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
I found this site concerning schrader valve extension.
http://www.ryderfleetproducts.com/cgi-bin/ryderfp/products/srm/oid/46413/
erm/product_detail.jsp?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=search&utm_ca
mpaign=product
wondering how to remove the stem dust cover before attaching extension?
Bill Hood
RV7
90% COMPLETE 50% TO GO
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| From: | "Allen Fulmer" <afulmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
I bought one of these but I cannot remember whether it has an end that fits
the stem cap or not? At any rate, it has not been a problem as you can use
a nut drive or socket with extension.
HTH,
Allen Fulmer
RV4 flying
RV7 wiring
http://www.aircraftextras.com/Valve-ext.htm
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hood
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: RV7-List: Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing
I found this site concerning schrader valve extension.
http://www.ryderfleetproducts.com/cgi-bin/ryderfp/products/srm/oid/46413/erm
/product_detail.jsp?utm_source=googlebase
<http://www.ryderfleetproducts.com/cgi-bin/ryderfp/products/srm/oid/46413/er
m/product_detail.jsp?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=pr
oduct> &utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=product
wondering how to remove the stem dust cover before attaching extension?
Bill Hood
RV7
90% COMPLETE 50% TO GO
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| From: | "Don Owens" <springcanyon(at)methow.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
A standard nut driver works fine.
Don Owens
wondering how to remove the stem dust cover before attaching extension?
Bill Hood
RV7
90% COMPLETE 50% TO GO
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| From: | "Bill Hood" <hoodcom(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
valve stem extension
try this link,,,sorry
http://www.ryderfleetproducts.com/cgi-bin/ryderfp/products/srm/oid/46413/
erm/product_detail.jsp?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=search&utm_ca
mpaign=product
bill hood
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| From: | HCRV6(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing |
I've been following this thread for awhile so here's my $0.0002 worth. I installed
Michelin slow leak tubes over three years ago and am now on the second set
of tires with the same tubes. I do a visual check each preflight and remove the
front half of the wheel pants once a month or so to check pressure, takes about
15 minutes to do both mains. So far I have never seen the tire pressure drop
by more than one psi per month and it is usually more like one psi in two
or three months. Desser Tire sells the tubes, they ain't cheap but for my in my
opinion well worth the cost.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 612 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: av8er2fly(at)peoplepc.com
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 9:53:29 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Flat main tire on takeoff or landing
I cut a hole in my wheel pants and put a spring loaded small door that I
got from ACS. I then went and got a straight pressure gauge from Sears. I
check mine every two weeks because of crappy tubes that leak. I will be
changing them next set of tires.
Marrk Rose 137MR
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Initial Baffle-To-Top-Cowling Fit... |
Dear Listers,
The RV-8's cowling done and fits like a glove. I started the baffling last night
and its coming along nicely. The fit on the sides and back are very good considering
the IO-390 installation (and the use of the IO-360 baffle kit). The
front baffling is completely different, however, and I'm slogging through the
custom fitting.
But here's my question. I decided to put the top cowling on top of the baffling
that I've got installed so far and I was shocked that the baffling appears to
be a good 1 to 1.5" too tall!! Is this because of the IO-390 or is that just
where Van's expects you to start in your "cutting-it-down-to-size" phase? That's
a lot of snipping and fitting and snipping and fitting. I was expecting
to have to trim some, but not over a inch...
Also, it looks like the over-sized oil cooler is going to fit nicely on the rear
baffle with only a little "modification". But I'm not sure if the back, upper
corner is going to clear the cowling. Since the cowling is sitting over a
inch high right now, I've got no way to really trial fit the oil cooler and check
for cowling clearance until I trim the baffling down. Worst-case I could
put a blister on the cowling for the rear, upper flange of the oil cooler, I suppose,
but that's kind of hokey. There is room to move the oil cooler in towards
the centerline about 1", but then the mount will no longer line up with the
flange on the outboard edge and will require more modifications.
Thoughts...?
Attached are some pics. ( Digest viewers check http://forums.matronics.com ).
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
Baffling and Oil Cooler...
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| From: | "Don Owens" <springcanyon(at)methow.com> |
| Subject: | Initial Baffle-To-Top-Cowling Fit... |
Hi Matt,
I can see that you are doing your usual fine work. My baffling was about 1
to 1 1/2" too tall also - lots of cutting and fitting. It took me forever
to finish the baffling.
Wow! That's a big oil cooler. I found that the left, rear corner of the
baffling was very close to the top cowl. Be sure and do a trial fit before
you cut the big hole for the oil cooler.
Regards,
Don Owens
Dear Listers,
The RV-8's cowling done and fits like a glove. I started the baffling last
night and its coming along nicely. The fit on the sides and back are very
good considering the IO-390 installation (and the use of the IO-360 baffle
kit). The front baffling is completely different, however, and I'm slogging
through the custom fitting.
But here's my question. I decided to put the top cowling on top of the
baffling that I've got installed so far and I was shocked that the baffling
appears to be a good 1 to 1.5" too tall!! Is this because of the IO-390 or
is that just where Van's expects you to start in your
"cutting-it-down-to-size" phase? That's a lot of snipping and fitting and
snipping and fitting. I was expecting to have to trim some, but not over a
inch...
Also, it looks like the over-sized oil cooler is going to fit nicely on the
rear baffle with only a little "modification". But I'm not sure if the
back, upper corner is going to clear the cowling. Since the cowling is
sitting over a inch high right now, I've got no way to really trial fit the
oil cooler and check for cowling clearance until I trim the baffling down.
Worst-case I could put a blister on the cowling for the rear, upper flange
of the oil cooler, I suppose, but that's kind of hokey. There is room to
move the oil cooler in towards the centerline about 1", but then the mount
will no longer line up with the flange on the outboard edge and will require
more modifications.
Thoughts...?
Attached are some pics. ( Digest viewers check
http://forums.matronics.com ).
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
Baffling and Oil Cooler...
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| From: | "Karl Ahamer" <kahamer(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Initial Baffle-To-Top-Cowling Fit... |
Hi Matt,
I put a number of paper clips onto the baffles to find the right hight.
Also made a strut to support the baffle where the cooler mounts.
Regards
Karl Ahamer 7A 85 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Owens
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Initial Baffle-To-Top-Cowling Fit...
Hi Matt,
I can see that you are doing your usual fine work. My baffling was about 1
to 1 1/2" too tall also - lots of cutting and fitting. It took me forever
to finish the baffling.
Wow! That's a big oil cooler. I found that the left, rear corner of the
baffling was very close to the top cowl. Be sure and do a trial fit before
you cut the big hole for the oil cooler.
Regards,
Don Owens
Dear Listers,
The RV-8's cowling done and fits like a glove. I started the baffling last
night and its coming along nicely. The fit on the sides and back are very
good considering the IO-390 installation (and the use of the IO-360 baffle
kit). The front baffling is completely different, however, and I'm slogging
through the custom fitting.
But here's my question. I decided to put the top cowling on top of the
baffling that I've got installed so far and I was shocked that the baffling
appears to be a good 1 to 1.5" too tall!! Is this because of the IO-390 or
is that just where Van's expects you to start in your
"cutting-it-down-to-size" phase? That's a lot of snipping and fitting and
snipping and fitting. I was expecting to have to trim some, but not over a
inch...
Also, it looks like the over-sized oil cooler is going to fit nicely on the
rear baffle with only a little "modification". But I'm not sure if the
back, upper corner is going to clear the cowling. Since the cowling is
sitting over a inch high right now, I've got no way to really trial fit the
oil cooler and check for cowling clearance until I trim the baffling down.
Worst-case I could put a blister on the cowling for the rear, upper flange
of the oil cooler, I suppose, but that's kind of hokey. There is room to
move the oil cooler in towards the centerline about 1", but then the mount
will no longer line up with the flange on the outboard edge and will require
more modifications.
Thoughts...?
Attached are some pics. ( Digest viewers check
http://forums.matronics.com ).
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
Baffling and Oil Cooler...
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
17:52:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "J. Brunke" <jdoody727(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Initial Baffle-To-Top-Cowling Fit... |
Dear Matt,
Pics look really good. Have you given any thought to mounting the oil
cooler on the firewall and not having to worry about spacing at all?
John Brunke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:00 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Initial Baffle-To-Top-Cowling Fit...
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> The RV-8's cowling done and fits like a glove. I started the baffling
> last night and its coming along nicely. The fit on the sides and back are
> very good considering the IO-390 installation (and the use of the IO-360
> baffle kit). The front baffling is completely different, however, and I'm
> slogging through the custom fitting.
>
> But here's my question. I decided to put the top cowling on top of the
> baffling that I've got installed so far and I was shocked that the
> baffling appears to be a good 1 to 1.5" too tall!! Is this because of the
> IO-390 or is that just where Van's expects you to start in your
> "cutting-it-down-to-size" phase? That's a lot of snipping and fitting and
> snipping and fitting. I was expecting to have to trim some, but not over
> a inch...
>
> Also, it looks like the over-sized oil cooler is going to fit nicely on
> the rear baffle with only a little "modification". But I'm not sure if
> the back, upper corner is going to clear the cowling. Since the cowling
> is sitting over a inch high right now, I've got no way to really trial fit
> the oil cooler and check for cowling clearance until I trim the baffling
> down. Worst-case I could put a blister on the cowling for the rear, upper
> flange of the oil cooler, I suppose, but that's kind of hokey. There is
> room to move the oil cooler in towards the centerline about 1", but then
> the mount will no longer line up with the flange on the outboard edge and
> will require more modifications.
>
> Thoughts...?
>
> Attached are some pics. ( Digest viewers check
> http://forums.matronics.com ).
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
> Baffling and Oil Cooler...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Initial Baffle-To-Top-Cowling Fit... |
I just wanted to thank everyone for the great feedback on this baffling cut-down
procedure. I'm glad to hear that it wasn't just my installation!! :-)
I'll post some more pictures when I get things hacked down to size and that oil
cooler mounted.
Hey, check out my newly registered URL for my RV-8 Building site:
http://www.mattsrv8.com
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
Baffling and Oil Cooler...
At 07:00 PM 9/14/2009 Monday, you wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>The RV-8's cowling done and fits like a glove. I started the baffling last night
and its coming along nicely. The fit on the sides and back are very good
considering the IO-390 installation (and the use of the IO-360 baffle kit). The
front baffling is completely different, however, and I'm slogging through the
custom fitting.
>
>But here's my question. I decided to put the top cowling on top of the baffling
that I've got installed so far and I was shocked that the baffling appears
to be a good 1 to 1.5" too tall!! Is this because of the IO-390 or is that just
where Van's expects you to start in your "cutting-it-down-to-size" phase?
That's a lot of snipping and fitting and snipping and fitting. I was expecting
to have to trim some, but not over a inch...
>
>Also, it looks like the over-sized oil cooler is going to fit nicely on the rear
baffle with only a little "modification". But I'm not sure if the back, upper
corner is going to clear the cowling. Since the cowling is sitting over a
inch high right now, I've got no way to really trial fit the oil cooler and check
for cowling clearance until I trim the baffling down. Worst-case I could
put a blister on the cowling for the rear, upper flange of the oil cooler, I
suppose, but that's kind of hokey. There is room to move the oil cooler in towards
the centerline about 1", but then the mount will no longer line up with
the flange on the outboard edge and will require more modifications.
>
>Thoughts...?
>
>Attached are some pics. ( Digest viewers check http://forums.matronics.com ).
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com
>Baffling and Oil Cooler...
________________________________________________________________________________
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You may also reach me at GPSTHING-GMAIL-COM replacing the dashes with the appropriate
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Woodward vs McCauley Governor Height |
Does anybody know if the Woodward governor is shorter than the McCauley governor?
I've got a McCauley on my IO-390 and was doing the left front floor baffle
last night and with the cutout for the governor, there isn't enough room for
the big, square fiberglass intake hole between the governor and the left sidewall.
Its something like 1/4" to 1/2" too narrow and that *doesn't* take into
account any mounting flange space. I'm wondering if the Woodward governor is
shorter by a 1/2" or so which will make this all work. Basically, I don't see
how I'm going to get the McCauley to work at this point.
Anybody have any height specs on the Woodward governor? Basically from the boss
mount to the top of the arm would be helpful.
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...? |
Dear Listers,
Van's turned me on to a bracket for the RV-10 called the CB-1002-H which is a bracket
for mounting the governor control cable on front mounted governors.
Does anyone have some good pictures of how this bracket is installed? Maybe even
a scan of the baffling installation OP sheet where the RV-10 baffling is described?
Since the IO-390 has a front mounted governor similar to the IO-540 used on the
RV-10, some of these baffling pieces seem to work.
Any docs you could provide would be most appreciated!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
Engine Baffling...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | wgill10(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...? |
Hello Matt,
I didn't use this bracket...made my own. If interested, Go to Marc's site (
www.IO-390.com ) and see what I did for the governor bracket and front baf
fles for the front mounted governor pad. Additionally, I could send some hi
gher resolution pictures...just let me know.=C2-I have NEVER had any high
temp issues...a very fast airplane as well.
FAB Air box:=C2-=C2-=C2- http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.h
tml
Prop Gov Cable/bracket:=C2-=C2-=C2- http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/
Prop_Gov.html
Baffles:=C2-=C2-=C2- http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html
Good luck,
Bill
RV-7 N151WP
BPE IO-390 w/AFP=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
rv7-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:57:48 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: RV7-List: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...?
Dear Listers,
Van's turned me on to a bracket for the RV-10 called the CB-1002-H which is
a bracket for mounting the governor control cable on front mounted governo
rs.
Does anyone have some good pictures of how this bracket is installed? =C2
-Maybe even a scan of the baffling installation OP sheet where the RV-10
baffling is described?
Since the IO-390 has a front mounted governor similar to the IO-540 used on
the RV-10, some of these baffling pieces seem to work.
Any docs you could provide would be most appreciated!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
Engine Baffling...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...? |
| From: | "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Hi Bill,
Do you have a 3D drawing of the bracket you made? Why did you choose steel instead
of aluminum?
Your governor looks a lot shorter than the McCauley. Do you have a 3D drawing
of it, by chance? What is the exact model number? What's the height from the
boss to the control arm? Where'd you get it from?
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
wgill10(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Hello Matt,
>
> I didn't use this bracket...made my own. If interested, Go to Marc's site (www.IO-390.com (http://www.IO-390.com)) and see what I did for the governor bracket and front baffles for the front mounted governor pad. Additionally, I could send some higher resolution pictures...just let me know. I have NEVER had any high temp issues...a very fast airplane as well.
>
> FAB Air box: http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.html (http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.html)
> Prop Gov Cable/bracket: http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Prop_Gov.html (http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Prop_Gov.html)
> Baffles: http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html (http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html)
>
> Good luck,
>
> Bill
> RV-7 N151WP
> BPE IO-390 w/AFP
>
>
> ---
--------
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263834#263834
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| From: | wgill10(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...? |
Hello Matt,
The dimensions are indicated in the in the link below.=C2- It took three
attempts to get the correct prop governor drive ratio and you can certainly
use my name to get=C2-specs from the latest=C2-unit they shipped to me
-- excellent folks to deal with.=C2-I purchased the governor from Aero T
echnoligies for $1235...will provide=C2-a scanned invoice detailing P/N &
S/N, if interested. A friend with a recently first-light RV-7A (BPE 390) p
urchased a governor from same source (& price) -- no issues whatsoever usin
g.
http://www.pcu5000.com/pcu5000x_spec.pdf
As for using stainless steel bracket...it was the strongest with the least
weight and no drawing was produced. It was trial & error method when it cam
e to deciding where to drill the holes -- will explain further=C2-should
you wish to discuss...913-271-0988.=C2-
I hope you found the info on Marc's site helpfull as he really hopes that t
he info will be helpful to other 390 owners. BTW, I really love this engine
...very smooth, powerful and FAST. You will be very happy. Allen has severa
l hours in my plane and hopefully=C2-provided his experience.=C2-
Have a great weekend,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:24:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: RV7-List: Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...?
Hi Bill,
Do you have a 3D drawing of the bracket you made? =C2-Why did you choose
steel instead of aluminum? =C2-
Your governor looks a lot shorter than the McCauley. =C2-Do you have a 3D
drawing of it, by chance? =C2-What is the exact model number? =C2-What
's the height from the boss to the control arm? =C2-Where'd you get it fr
om?
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
wgill10(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Hello Matt,
> =C2-
> I didn't use this bracket...made my own. If interested, Go to Marc's site
(www.IO-390.com (http://www.IO-390.com)) and see what I did for the govern
or bracket and front baffles for the front mounted governor pad. Additional
ly, I could send some higher resolution pictures...just let me know. I have
NEVER had any high temp issues...a very fast airplane as well.
> =C2-
> FAB Air box: =C2- http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.html (http
://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.html)
> Prop Gov Cable/bracket: =C2- http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Prop_Gov.
html (http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Prop_Gov.html)
> Baffles: =C2- http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html (http://w
ww.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html)
> =C2-
> Good luck,
> =C2-
> Bill
> RV-7 N151WP
> BPE IO-390 w/AFP =C2-
> =C2-
>
> ---
--------
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263834#263834
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e -
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...? |
Thank you for the info, Bill.
Looks like the McCauley governor is over 1" taller than the PCU5000. That would
explain why I've been having issues with interference with the intake. I came
up with a bracket yesterday after 5 tries that seems to work pretty well.
On the good side, I'm now getting full throw on the governor and there is no binding
whatsoever. In fact, its so free that the spring always pulls it to High
RPM setting if I don't have the drag-lock on the throttle quadrant at least
a little tight. Both of these are improvements over the Van's bracket. On the
downside, the pushrod is just barely clearing the intake's upper inboard corner.
I haven't actually mounted the intake yet, so its still too soon to tell
the full impact.
Speaking of the intake, when I push it into place, its bumping into the main mounting
screw busing on the alternator. I've got the standard 60a internally regulated
unit from Van's. I'm estimating that I'm going to have to put about
a 1/4" deep "channel" into the top right side of the fiberglass intake to get
it to fit up onto the throttle body. I wonder what impact that will have on the
designed "airflow" of the intake...? There is also a strut that came with
the alternator that goes from the front of the alternator bracket to a mounting
ear on the starter. There's no way this will fit on with the fiberglass intake
in place. I wonder if I can leave it off? I've got the Skytec Inline starter
and I already had to cut one of the unused lower mounting ears off of it
because it completely interfered with the intake.
Man, there sure are a lot of "issues" getting the front part of this IO-390 installed...
Is it really that much different in the front than the IO-360? I've
read a couple of places where the IO-390 is "a bolt in replacement for the IO-360".
Well, yeah, it bolts on, but the front mounted governor and slightly
different placement of the alternator and starter make for a lot of custom modifications.
Buyer beware.
I'll post some pictures of my governor bracket later today if I decide its really
going to work.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
FWF Baffling and Intake...
At 06:46 PM 9/19/2009 Saturday, you wrote:
>Hello Matt,
>
>
>
>The dimensions are indicated in the in the link below. It took three attempts
to get the correct prop governor drive ratio and you can certainly use my name
to get specs from the latest unit they shipped to me -- excellent folks to deal
with. I purchased the governor from Aero Technoligies for $1235...will provide
a scanned invoice detailing P/N & S/N, if interested. A friend with a recently
first-light RV-7A (BPE 390) purchased a governor from same source (& price)
-- no issues whatsoever using.
>
><http://www.pcu5000.com/pcu5000x_spec.pdf>http://www.pcu5000.com/pcu5000x_spec.pdf
>
>As for using stainless steel bracket...it was the strongest with the least weight
and no drawing was produced. It was trial & error method when it came to deciding
where to drill the holes -- will explain further should you wish to discuss...913-271-0988.
>
>I hope you found the info on Marc's site helpfull as he really hopes that the
info will be helpful to other 390 owners. BTW, I really love this engine...very
smooth, powerful and FAST. You will be very happy. Allen has several hours in
my plane and hopefully provided his experience.
>
>Have a great weekend,
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:24:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>Subject: RV7-List: Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...?
>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>Do you have a 3D drawing of the bracket you made? Why did you choose steel instead
of aluminum?
>
>Your governor looks a lot shorter than the McCauley. Do you have a 3D drawing
of it, by chance? What is the exact model number? What's the height from the
boss to the control arm? Where'd you get it from?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com
>
>
>wgill10(at)comcast.net wrote:
>> Hello Matt,
>>
>> I didn't use this bracket...made my own. If interested, Go to Marc's site (www.IO-390.com (http://www.IO-390.com)) and see what I did for the governor bracket and front baffles for the front mounted governor pad. Additionally, I could send some higher resolution pictures...just let me know. I have NEVER had any high temp issues...a very fast airplane as well.
>>
>> FAB Air box: http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.html (http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.html)
>> Prop Gov Cable/bracket: http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Prop_Gov.html (http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Prop_Gov.html)
>> Baffles: http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html (http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html)
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Bill
>> RV-7 N151WP
>> BPE IO-390 w/AFP
>>
>>
>> ---
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Front Mounted Governor vs. Rear Mounted Governor... |
I just discovered something very interesting. The gear ratio is different between
a Front mounted governor and a Rear mounted governor - .947 to 1 (front) vs.
.866 to 1 (rear). So that means that the McCauley governor that I have that
I originally purchased for use with and O-360 won't even work with the IO-390.
This page from the PCU5000 web site is very informative:
http://www.pcu5000.com/pcu5000x.htm
It details the various ratios and what not.
I also found a PDF on the dimensions of the MT governor that Van's sells:
http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/manuals/e-1048.pdf
This MT governor is also 1" shorter than the McCauley governor similar to the PCU5000:
http://www.pcu5000.com/pcu5000x_spec.pdf
In this picture of the PCU5000:
http://www.pcu5000.com/index_i/hmpg_pic.gif
the PCU5000 shows an auxiliary control arm that might be very helpful in pushing
the control cable out of the way of the fiberglass intake. Although, I think
that just moving the control arm in by 1" compared to the McCauley is going
to be plenty.
At any rate, I've ordered a PCU5000X number "P-520-029/A-947" for my RV-8/IO-390
combination so hopefully I can move forward on this project...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
Engine Baffling...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...? |
Hi Matt,
I have an RV7A with an IO360, 200 hp, angle valve engine flying since Aug.
2008 with 160 hrs. We had to put slight indentations in the fiberglass
intake to clear the alternator bracket and starter. It doesn't seem to restrict
the intake. There is plenty of plenum space in that intake to convert some
of the ram air into compress air and increase the manifold pressure
slightly. I also used the 13 row oil cooler and that seems to cool the oil well
though a steep climb at less than 100 kts. will send the OT to 225 or above
in the summer here in Redding. Lowering the nose and climbing at 120-130
kts. cools it off. Cruise OT is 198 degrees F. at 60-70 degrees OAT. Winter
it's closer to 175 degrees F.
I mounted my oil cooler on the firewall and engine mount, with angle al
brackets held by Adel clamps on the engine mount behind left rear cylinder.
The firewall end is held on al. angle supported by a beefed up area of
firewall attached to the angled al. on the cockpit side. It is fed by two 2.5
"
SCAT hoses from the R and L baffling into an al. plenum mounted on top of
the cooler blowing downward. The cooler is close to horizontal. The location
is about the only place I could fit it.
John Greaves
Redding, CA
RV7A and VariEze
In a message dated 9/20/2009 9:56:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dralle(at)matronics.com writes:
--> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Thank you for the info, Bill.
Looks like the McCauley governor is over 1" taller than the PCU5000. That
would explain why I've been having issues with interference with the
intake. I came up with a bracket yesterday after 5 tries that seems to work
pretty well. On the good side, I'm now getting full throw on the governor
and there is no binding whatsoever. In fact, its so free that the spring
always pulls it to High RPM setting if I don't have the drag-lock on the
throttle quadrant at least a little tight. Both of these are improvements over
the Van's bracket. On the downside, the pushrod is just barely clearing
the intake's upper inboard corner. I haven't actually mounted the intake
yet, so its still too soon to tell the full impact.
Speaking of the intake, when I push it into place, its bumping into the
main mounting screw busing on the alternator. I've got the standard 60a
internally regulated unit from Van's. I'm estimating that I'm going to have to
put about a 1/4" deep "channel" into the top right side of the fiberglass
intake to get it to fit up onto the throttle body. I wonder what impact
that will have on the designed "airflow" of the intake...? There is also a
strut that came with the alternator that goes from the front of the
alternator bracket to a mounting ear on the starter. There's no way this will
fit
on with the fiberglass intake in place. I wonder if I can leave it off?
I've got the Skytec Inline starter and I already had to cut one of the
unused lower mounting ears off of it because it completely interfered with the
intake.
Man, there sure are a lot of "issues" getting the front part of this
IO-390 installed... Is it really that much different in the front than the
IO-360? I've read a couple of places where the IO-390 is "a bolt in
replacement for the IO-360". Well, yeah, it bolts on, but the front mounted governor
and slightly different placement of the alternator and starter make for a
lot of custom modifications. Buyer beware.
I'll post some pictures of my governor bracket later today if I decide its
really going to work.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
FWF Baffling and Intake...
At 06:46 PM 9/19/2009 Saturday, you wrote:
>Hello Matt,
>
>
>
>The dimensions are indicated in the in the link below. It took three
attempts to get the correct prop governor drive ratio and you can certainly
use my name to get specs from the latest unit they shipped to me -- excellent
folks to deal with. I purchased the governor from Aero Technoligies for
$1235...will provide a scanned invoice detailing P/N & S/N, if interested. A
friend with a recently first-light RV-7A (BPE 390) purchased a governor
from same source (& price) -- no issues whatsoever using.
>
><http://www.pcu5000.com/pcu5000x_spec.pdf>http://www.pcu5000.com/pcu5000x_s
pec.pdf
>
>As for using stainless steel bracket...it was the strongest with the
least weight and no drawing was produced. It was trial & error method when it
came to deciding where to drill the holes -- will explain further should you
wish to discuss...913-271-0988.
>
>I hope you found the info on Marc's site helpfull as he really hopes that
the info will be helpful to other 390 owners. BTW, I really love this
engine...very smooth, powerful and FAST. You will be very happy. Allen has
several hours in my plane and hopefully provided his experience.
>
>Have a great weekend,
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:24:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada
Central
>Subject: RV7-List: Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...?
>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>Do you have a 3D drawing of the bracket you made? Why did you choose
steel instead of aluminum?
>
>Your governor looks a lot shorter than the McCauley. Do you have a 3D
drawing of it, by chance? What is the exact model number? What's the height
from the boss to the control arm? Where'd you get it from?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com
>
>
>wgill10(at)comcast.net wrote:
>> Hello Matt,
>>
>> I didn't use this bracket...made my own. If interested, Go to Marc's
site (www.IO-390.com (http://www.IO-390.com)) and see what I did for the
governor bracket and front baffles for the front mounted governor pad.
Additionally, I could send some higher resolution pictures...just let me know.
I
have NEVER had any high temp issues...a very fast airplane as well.
>>
>> FAB Air box: http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.html
(http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.html)
>> Prop Gov Cable/bracket:
http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Prop_Gov.html (http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Prop_Gov.html)
>> Baffles: http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html
(http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html)
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Bill
>> RV-7 N151WP
>> BPE IO-390 w/AFP
>>
>>
>> ---
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | wgill10(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...? |
Matt,
I had to make reliefs for the prop governor cable, starter ear, the PlanePo
wer alternator and the fuel supply hose to the AFP fuel servo -- no big dea
l. As for whether the front mounted governor location=C2-cause more heart
aches, just look at the rear mounted instalations and associated access. I
have very easy access to the rear of the engine and associated appliances -
- very happy with the front mounted governor location.
Bill
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 11:52:11 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: RV7-List: Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...?
Thank you for the info, Bill.
Looks like the McCauley governor is over 1" taller than the PCU5000. =C2-
That would explain why I've been having issues with interference with the i
ntake. =C2-I came up with a bracket yesterday after 5 tries that seems to
work pretty well. =C2-On the good side, I'm now getting full throw on th
e governor and there is no binding whatsoever. =C2-In fact, its so free t
hat the spring always pulls it to High RPM setting if I don't have the drag
-lock on the throttle quadrant at least a little tight. =C2-Both of these
are improvements over the Van's bracket. =C2-On the downside, the pushro
d is just barely clearing the intake's upper inboard corner. =C2-I haven'
t actually mounted the intake yet, so its still too soon to tell the full i
mpact.
Speaking of the intake, when I push it into place, its bumping into the mai
n mounting screw busing on the alternator. =C2-I've got the standard 60a
internally regulated unit from Van's. =C2-I'm estimating that I'm going t
o have to put about a 1/4" deep "channel" into the top right side of the fi
berglass intake to get it to fit up onto the throttle body. =C2-I wonder
what impact that will have on the designed "airflow" of the intake...? =C2
-There is also a strut that came with the alternator that goes from the f
ront of the alternator bracket to a mounting ear on the starter. =C2-Ther
e's no way this will fit on with the fiberglass intake in place. =C2-I wo
nder if I can leave it off? =C2-I've got the Skytec Inline starter and I
already had to cut one of the unused lower mounting ears off of it because
it completely interfered with the intake.
Man, there sure are a lot of "issues" getting the front part of this IO-390
installed... =C2-Is it really that much different in the front than the
IO-360? =C2-I've read a couple of places where the IO-390 is "a bolt in r
eplacement for the IO-360". =C2-Well, yeah, it bolts on, but the front mo
unted governor and slightly different placement of the alternator and start
er make for a lot of custom modifications. =C2-Buyer beware.
I'll post some pictures of my governor bracket later today if I decide its
really going to work.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
FWF Baffling and Intake...
At 06:46 PM 9/19/2009 =C2-Saturday, you wrote:
>Hello Matt,
>
>
>
>The dimensions are indicated in the in the link below. =C2-It took three
attempts to get the correct prop governor drive ratio and you can certainl
y use my name to get specs from the latest unit they shipped to me -- excel
lent folks to deal with. I purchased the governor from Aero Technoligies fo
r $1235...will provide a scanned invoice detailing P/N & S/N, if interested
. A friend with a recently first-light RV-7A (BPE 390) purchased a governor
from same source (& price) -- no issues whatsoever using.
>
><http://www.pcu5000.com/pcu5000x_spec.pdf>http://www.pcu5000.com/pcu5000x_
spec.pdf
>
>As for using stainless steel bracket...it was the strongest with the least
weight and no drawing was produced. It was trial & error method when it ca
me to deciding where to drill the holes -- will explain further should you
wish to discuss...913-271-0988.
>
>I hope you found the info on Marc's site helpfull as he really hopes that
the info will be helpful to other 390 owners. BTW, I really love this engin
e...very smooth, powerful and FAST. You will be very happy. Allen has sever
al hours in my plane and hopefully provided his experience.
>
>Have a great weekend,
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:24:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Centra
l
>Subject: RV7-List: Re: CB-1002-H Governor Bracket Installation Photos...?
>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>Do you have a 3D drawing of the bracket you made? =C2-Why did you choose
steel instead of aluminum? =C2-
>
>Your governor looks a lot shorter than the McCauley. =C2-Do you have a 3
D drawing of it, by chance? =C2-What is the exact model number? =C2-Wha
t's the height from the boss to the control arm? =C2-Where'd you get it f
rom?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com
>
>
>
>wgill10(at)comcast.net wrote:
>> Hello Matt,
>> =C2-
>> I didn't use this bracket...made my own. If interested, Go to Marc's sit
e (www.IO-390.com (http://www.IO-390.com)) and see what I did for the gover
nor bracket and front baffles for the front mounted governor pad. Additiona
lly, I could send some higher resolution pictures...just let me know. I hav
e NEVER had any high temp issues...a very fast airplane as well.
>> =C2-
>> FAB Air box: =C2- http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.html (htt
p://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/AFP_Servo.html)
>> Prop Gov Cable/bracket: =C2- http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Prop_Gov
.html (http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Prop_Gov.html)
>> Baffles: =C2- http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html (http://
www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Baffles_2.html)
>> =C2-
>> Good luck,
>> =C2-
>> Bill
>> RV-7 N151WP
>> BPE IO-390 w/AFP =C2-
>> =C2-
>>
>> ---
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Painting The Baffling... |
Dear Listers,
I had been planning on black anodizing the various engine baffling pieces in keeping
with my black-n-chrome theme under the hood. But I'm noticing that the
pieces are getting pretty scratched up during all of this extra fitting that's
necessary for the IO-390. Since the pieces can't be run through a surfacer first
because of the bends, I'm rethinking how good anodizing is really going to
look.
I know we're not suppose to power coat the 2024-T3 because the curing heat required
can un-T3 the 2024, but does it really matter for the baffling? Its not
really structural, per say. And if power coating is alright, what effects will
the engine compartment heat have on the power coating? There's probably a high-temp
power coat, but it would likely require a higher curing temp, and that
get's us back to the first sentence of this paragraph... Power coating the
baffling would definitely look pretty cool.
Has anyone ever chromed their baffling? That would look super cool. Can you chrome
2024-T3? How much would that cost compared to power coating?
Am I fussing too much under the hood? ;-)
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
FWF Baffling, Intake, and Governor...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Painting The Baffling... |
Hi Matt,
My baffles are powder coated and it has held up well for 160 hrs. The
coating covers all the scratches and other marks of assembly. Black powder
coating should look even better than my light grey. I'll try to send some
pictures of the intake, oil cooler mounting and baffling since I have the
cowling off now for some alternator trouble shooting for a whine in my headsets.
John Greaves
Redding, CA
In a message dated 9/20/2009 8:06:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dralle(at)matronics.com writes:
--> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Dear Listers,
I had been planning on black anodizing the various engine baffling pieces
in keeping with my black-n-chrome theme under the hood. But I'm noticing
that the pieces are getting pretty scratched up during all of this extra
fitting that's necessary for the IO-390. Since the pieces can't be run
through a surfacer first because of the bends, I'm rethinking how good anodizing
is really going to look.
I know we're not suppose to power coat the 2024-T3 because the curing heat
required can un-T3 the 2024, but does it really matter for the baffling?
Its not really structural, per say. And if power coating is alright, what
effects will the engine compartment heat have on the power coating?
There's probably a high-temp power coat, but it would likely require a higher
curing temp, and that get's us back to the first sentence of this paragraph...
Power coating the baffling would definitely look pretty cool.
Has anyone ever chromed their baffling? That would look super cool. Can
you chrome 2024-T3? How much would that cost compared to power coating?
Am I fussing too much under the hood? ;-)
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
FWF Baffling, Intake, and Governor...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Side Cowl Pin Size... |
Dear Listers,
I'm happy to report that the cowling on the 'ol RV-8 is complete and came out very
nice. I was able to get the seams all around very nice and tight.
Here's my question. On the bottom cowl firewall pins and the top cowl firewall
pins, the plans call out undersized pins. These go in nicely and I've got no
complaints.
However, on the side pins that join the top and bottom cowling pieces, the plans
call out an AN257-P3 hinge and don't mention using an undersized pin. I am
able to get the side pins in and out with a drill but its a lot of work, especially
going in, and it just seems like this is going to wear out the hinges after
a while.
In the kit, I noticed that Van's shipped two different types of hinges in the three-foot
lengths required for the cowling sides. There are two, 3' long AN257-P3
pieces and two, 3' long that seems to be steel instead
of aluminium like the AN257-P3. The pin inside of these steel hinges is about
2/3 the size of the pin in the AN257-P3 hinges. So, my logical thinking
lead me to think that you're suppose just use the pins from the steel hinges on
the sides for easier pin insertion/extraction. Am I reading this right? Or
is it just a coincidence that they sent the steel hinges? I don't know what
else to do with them.
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's All New RV-8 Construction Blog
Snorkel Intake Installation & Governor Recabling (1700 hours and counting)...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | wgill10(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Side Cowl Pin Size... |
Matt,
The smaller size hinge is for the gear leg fairings.
If the inside contour of the cowling is not uniform thickness where the sid
e hinges are attached, often very difficult to get the pin in and out as yo
u have discovered.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 8:54:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: RV7-List: Side Cowl Pin Size...
Dear Listers,
I'm happy to report that the cowling on the 'ol RV-8 is complete and came o
ut very nice. =C2-I was able to get the seams all around very nice and ti
ght. =C2-
Here's my question. =C2-On the bottom cowl firewall pins and the top cowl
firewall pins, the plans call out undersized pins. =C2-These go in nicel
y and I've got no complaints.
However, on the side pins that join the top and bottom cowling pieces, the
plans call out an AN257-P3 hinge and don't mention using an undersized pin.
=C2-I am able to get the side pins in and out with a drill but its a lot
of work, especially going in, and it just seems like this is going to wear
out the hinges after a while. =C2-
In the kit, I noticed that Van's shipped two different types of hinges in t
he three-foot lengths required for the cowling sides. =C2-There are two,
3' long AN257-P3 pieces and two, 3' long that seems t
o be steel instead of aluminium like the AN257-P3. =C2-The pin inside of
these steel hinges is about 2/3 the size of the pin in the AN257-P3 hinges.
=C2-So, my logical thinking lead me to think that you're suppose just us
e the pins from the steel hinges on the sides for easier pin insertion/extr
action. =C2-Am I reading this right? =C2-Or is it just a coincidence th
at they sent the steel hinges? =C2-I don't know what else to do with them
.
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's All New RV-8 Construction Blog
Snorkel Intake Installation & Governor Recabling (1700 hours and counting).
..
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Cable Routing With Front Mounted Governor... |
Dear Listers,
I thought I'd share my experience installing the control cable on my IO-390 with
a front mounted governor. I was quite perplexed with this task because the
intake snorkel takes up most of the left baffle floor and there's not a lot of
room for running a control cable for the governor down through the same area.
A special bracket would unquestionably be required.
Since the McCauley governor I had was for a rear mount and not a front mount it had the wrong gear ratio (.866 to 1 rear vs .947 to 1 front), I had to order a replacement. A couple of Listers turned me onto the PCU5000 http://www.pcu5000.com/ which is similar in size and mounting to the MT that Van's sells but seems to have less problems with oil flow. I ordered it with the 947:1 gear ratio for the front mounted boss on the IO-390 and with a CLOCKWISE control rotation which means that the control arm turning clockwise *increases* the pitch. The part number for the PCU5000 mounted on an IO-390 is P-520-029/A-947 which can be found on their application chart here: http://www.pcu5000.com/pcu5000x.htm
I scratched my head for quite a while trying to figure out an elegant way of attaching
the control cable. I made no less than three complicated brackets out
of .063 trying to get the cable to come up from the bottom through the left floor.
They mostly worked, but I just wasn't that happy with the operation and
the fact that I would have drill a hole in the floor for the cable.
Then I started playing around with the standard VA-153-PC governor bracket and
discovered that by drilling two new holes in the bracket in just the right location,
I could run the control cable back over the engine and through the rear
baffle. The best part is that the control action is really smooth and I'm getting
full Max-to-Min travel!!
To orientate the bracket, I removed two screws from the governor at 12 o'clock
and 2 o'clock positions. I placed the bracket on the governor and then rotated
it counter-clockwise until it just hit the screw at the 10 o'clock position.
I marked the two stock hole locations from the bracket onto the governor with
a sharpie. I then took the rest of the screws out and with the cap on the work
bench I put the bracket on the cap and realigned it with the two marks I had
made earlier. Then, from the INSIDE of the cap, I marked the actual cap mounting
holes onto the bracket with a sharpie. Over to the drill press to drill
the two new marks on the bracket with a #19 drill and then reassemble the whole
thing. As you can see from the photos, the alignment came out perfect.
The control cable I'm using is the standard length RV-10 prop governor cable and,
at least for the RV-8, is the perfect size.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's All New RV-8 Construction Blog
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | SJ Cowl with Standard baffles |
| From: | "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com> |
Is there anyone out there flying the Sam James Cowl but using standard
baffles in place of a plenum? If so can you please share your comments /
results?
I have committed to the James cowl on my 8A but don't want to deal with
a Plenum (again).
Thanks,
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 Flying
RV-8A Engine hung
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Oversized Oil Cooler Installation For IO-390... |
Since the IO-390's a little bigger than the 0-320's and 0-360's traditionally used on the RVs, there have been reports of issues with oil temperatures climbing too high. Marc Ausman has some very interesting findings on his web site http://www.io-390.com regarding his experiences with the IO-390, his RV-7, and some various oil cooler installations he tried. Essentially, it boiled down to using a Steward Warner 10610R oil cooler to keep oil temperatures in a normal range. The problem with the 10610R, however, is that it is a LOT bigger than the stock Van's oil cooler. Mark had trouble fitting it on his RV-7 and I've got even less space on the RV-8.
So, once again, I found myself having the re-engineer to accommodate the IO-390
engine installation. The rear left baffle with the Van's supplied .040" doubler
is sufficiently rigid for the stock oil cooler, but the SW10610R is quite
a bit heavier and also about 1.5 times as wide. Initial fittings looked like
it was going to be a close fit if it would fit at all.
I spent the good part of two full days working on a new design for installing the
SW10610R. I came up with a .063" double that completely shadows the rear baffle
and also ties into the angle on the right of the oil cooler. I emulated
the flow baffles on the stock double by cutting the rear baffle hole slightly
large then bending them back and through the hole in the .063" doubler. I spent
a lot of time carefully measuring and cutting and filing the paired holes
and I'm extremely pleased with the fit and function. I riveted the rear baffle
and the .063" doubler with a matrix of 1/8" rivets at 1" spacing. Probably
went overboard here, but I have to say, it really stiffened up the structure,
so maybe it was worth it.
I orientated the oil cooler such that I was able to catch the mounting screw in
the back of rear cylinder. This will take a huge amount of load off the baffling
components and I'm really glad I noticed that I could use it with just a
little bit of shifting. I also added a 4" long piece of .063" angle cut down
on one side to the center rear baffle picking up the 1/4 mounting screw hole.
This also really tightened up the structure.
I had to file a large half-moon shape out of the right-rear mounting ear on the
oil cooler to clear the engine mount. It is not used structurally on the oil
cooler so no harm done. I opted to use all six mounting screw holes on the oil
cooler instead of the normal four. This also seems to stiffen up the installation.
The oil cooler is sufficiently mounted in toward the centerline such that there
are no clearance issues with the cowling, although there would have been if I
hadn't hogged out such a large half-moon from the oil cooler mount.
The best part of the installation is that the hose fittings are nearly in the stock
location, so I will be able to use the standard hose that come with the FWF
kit. Whew, for once, something works without modification.
All in all, I'm extremely pleased with the oil cooler installation. It is very
solidly mounted, still uses the stock hoses, and clears the cowling.
There are a few more pictures at (Logs 01-11):
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2972&log=90253&row=12
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's All New RV-8 Construction Blog
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | IO-390 Baffle Templates... |
Dear Listers,
I have created CAD drawings of the custom baffle pieces I made for the Lycoming
IO-390 installation on my RV-8 project. Other builder's utilizing the Lycoming
IO-390 in their RV-8 or RV-7 should be able to use these templates to greatly
speed up the baffling installation. Note that these templates also include
the cut-down for the top cowling installation. Builders may want to leave the
tops longer than the templates to assure they get a good fit to the cowling.
Attached are the low-res, non-scale JPGs of the templates for reference only.
The high resolution, full-scale PDFs can be downloaded from my RV-8 web site:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2972&log=90450&row=2
The PDFs are meant to be printed 1:1 on 11x17 paper. Be sure to use the reference
dimensions in both the X and Y to verify that your printer is creating scale
diagrams.
Note these pieces worked on my installation, but they may or may not work on others.
No guarantees that they will fit any other installation.
There are many more pictures and descriptions of the installation on my RV-8 website:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2972
Drop me an email if you decide to use these templates and let me know how they
worked!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's All New RV-8 Construction Blog
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don" <dsvs(at)ca.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Oversized Oil Cooler Installation For IO-390... |
Matt,
I also noted that you are using the red fire sleve that is mounted using
hose clamps. Nothing really wrong with this but a safer and better looking
hose is available from http://www.herberaircraft.com/prod_hoses.htm. Theese
hoses are installed on my bird for fuel and oil lines everywhere onder the
cowl. They look great and provide better fire protection than the hose clamp
mounted type. Just my two cents worth.
Don VS RYV7 flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:37 AM
Subject: RV7-List: Oversized Oil Cooler Installation For IO-390...
Since the IO-390's a little bigger than the 0-320's and 0-360's
traditionally used on the RVs, there have been reports of issues with oil
temperatures climbing too high. Marc Ausman has some very interesting
findings on his web site http://www.io-390.com regarding his experiences
with the IO-390, his RV-7, and some various oil cooler installations he
tried. Essentially, it boiled down to using a Steward Warner 10610R oil
cooler to keep oil temperatures in a normal range. The problem with the
10610R, however, is that it is a LOT bigger than the stock Van's oil cooler.
Mark had trouble fitting it on his RV-7 and I've got even less space on the
RV-8.
So, once again, I found myself having the re-engineer to accommodate the
IO-390 engine installation. The rear left baffle with the Van's supplied
.040" doubler is sufficiently rigid for the stock oil cooler, but the
SW10610R is quite a bit heavier and also about 1.5 times as wide. Initial
fittings looked like it was going to be a close fit if it would fit at all.
I spent the good part of two full days working on a new design for
installing the SW10610R. I came up with a .063" double that completely
shadows the rear baffle and also ties into the angle on the right of the oil
cooler. I emulated the flow baffles on the stock double by cutting the rear
baffle hole slightly large then bending them back and through the hole in
the .063" doubler. I spent a lot of time carefully measuring and cutting
and filing the paired holes and I'm extremely pleased with the fit and
function. I riveted the rear baffle and the .063" doubler with a matrix of
1/8" rivets at 1" spacing. Probably went overboard here, but I have to say,
it really stiffened up the structure, so maybe it was worth it.
I orientated the oil cooler such that I was able to catch the mounting screw
in the back of rear cylinder. This will take a huge amount of load off the
baffling components and I'm really glad I noticed that I could use it with
just a little bit of shifting. I also added a 4" long piece of .063" angle
cut down on one side to the center rear baffle picking up the 1/4 mounting
screw hole. This also really tightened up the structure.
I had to file a large half-moon shape out of the right-rear mounting ear on
the oil cooler to clear the engine mount. It is not used structurally on
the oil cooler so no harm done. I opted to use all six mounting screw holes
on the oil cooler instead of the normal four. This also seems to stiffen up
the installation.
The oil cooler is sufficiently mounted in toward the centerline such that
there are no clearance issues with the cowling, although there would have
been if I hadn't hogged out such a large half-moon from the oil cooler
mount.
The best part of the installation is that the hose fittings are nearly in
the stock location, so I will be able to use the standard hose that come
with the FWF kit. Whew, for once, something works without modification.
All in all, I'm extremely pleased with the oil cooler installation. It is
very solidly mounted, still uses the stock hoses, and clears the cowling.
There are a few more pictures at (Logs 01-11):
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&cate
gory=2972&log=90253&row=12
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's All New RV-8 Construction Blog
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's solely through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO advertising to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages and web site pages such as the Matronics List Forums ( http://forums.matronics.com ), the List Wiki ( http://wiki.matronics.com), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), the List Browser ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. Your personal Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Peter Capani <peter.capani(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Time to Build RV-7s in Fort Worth, TX Area |
I am deciding on which aircraft I want to build. The mission profile is
well defined as long-haul cross country for my wife and me in a
comparatively fast plane. The RV-7 / 7A fits the profile. Are there
builders local to the Fort Worth area (Granbury, Hicks, etc., also) that can
tell me the number of hours or years it took to build their planes? Thanks.
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| From: | "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker(at)optonline.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Time to Build RV-7s in Fort Worth, TX Area |
I think that you will find that the RV 9/9A is more suited to long cross
country flights. Of course either are great planes!
I am not near you, but I think you will find that the build time is
quite variable depending on whether you build a simple "as Van's
suggests" plane or do any customizing to it. You can expect to spend
1500 to 2500 (or more if you want) hrs.
Dick Tasker
Peter Capani wrote:
>
> I am deciding on which aircraft I want to build. The mission profile
> is well defined as long-haul cross country for my wife and me in a
> comparatively fast plane. The RV-7 / 7A fits the profile. Are there
> builders local to the Fort Worth area (Granbury, Hicks, etc., also)
> that can tell me the number of hours or years it took to build their
> planes? Thanks.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | "J. Brunke" <jdoody727(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Time to Build RV-7s in Fort Worth, TX Area |
Peter,
I'm not local either, but currently building an RV-7.
Currently 3 and 1/2 years in to the project. That's not working at it
full time, but when I can.
It doesn't really matter how long it took someone else, since they may
have built several airplanes before. Experience plays a big role in
the time to completion.
While I should be finished in a year, if I were to do this again, it
would take half the time. There's a lot of head scratching time
involved.
I remember squeezing the first rivets. Probably took me several hours
just to make sure I did it the right way.
That project would take me 5 minutes now.
By the way, while I want to fly this badly, it is very satisfying,
learning and doing all this stuff. I've grown patience that I never
knew I had.
You are near Avery tools. They probably have a builder course like the
one I took at Cleaveland tools a few years ago. Well worth it
if you've never done any of this before.
Take care,
John Brunke
N767JB
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Capani
To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: RV7-List: Time to Build RV-7s in Fort Worth, TX Area
I am deciding on which aircraft I want to build. The mission profile
is well defined as long-haul cross country for my wife and me in a
comparatively fast plane. The RV-7 / 7A fits the profile. Are there
builders local to the Fort Worth area (Granbury, Hicks, etc., also) that
can tell me the number of hours or years it took to build their planes?
Thanks.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Peter Capani <peter.capani(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Time to Build RV-7s in Fort Worth, TX Area |
Thanks for your insight, John.
--Pete
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Time to Build RV-7s in Fort Worth, TX Area
Peter,
I'm not local either, but currently building an RV-7.
Currently 3 and 1/2 years in to the project. That's not working at it full
time, but when I can.
It doesn't really matter how long it took someone else, since they may have
built several airplanes before. Experience plays a big role in the time to
completion.
While I should be finished in a year, if I were to do this again, it would
take half the time. There's a lot of head scratching time involved.
I remember squeezing the first rivets. Probably took me several hours
just to make sure I did it the right way.
That project would take me 5 minutes now.
By the way, while I want to fly this badly, it is very satisfying, learning
and doing all this stuff. I've grown patience that I never knew I had.
You are near Avery tools. They probably have a builder course like the one
I took at Cleaveland tools a few years ago. Well worth it
if you've never done any of this before.
Take care,
John Brunke
N767JB
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Capani <mailto:peter.capani(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: RV7-List: Time to Build RV-7s in Fort Worth, TX Area
I am deciding on which aircraft I want to build. The mission profile is
well defined as long-haul cross country for my wife and me in a
comparatively fast plane. The RV-7 / 7A fits the profile. Are there
builders local to the Fort Worth area (Granbury, Hicks, etc., also) that can
tell me the number of hours or years it took to build their planes? Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Time to Build RV-7s in Fort Worth, TX Area |
| From: | Larry Helming <lrhelming(at)gmail.com> |
There are builders all across the usa that will tell you it takes something
between 750 hours and 4,000 hours. The difference is experience and the
vision for perfection. The average is probably 2,000 hours. At 4 hours per
day, avoiding family vacations, and other distractions, about 2 years total
duration. Again, Depends on your experience and the number of others who
can be of support when questions come up. Stick to the plans and do not
deviate and you will save lots of time. If you have no experience, try to
stop in on someone in the building process or buy the contruction tapes on
ebay and then sell them after you are educated. Join EAA and watch all the
metal working construction you can steal time for.
Good luck, Indiana Larry -- RV7 O360 450 Hours
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Peter Capani wrote:
> I am deciding on which aircraft I want to build. The mission profile is
> well defined as long-haul cross country for my wife and me in a
> comparatively fast plane. The RV-7 / 7A fits the profile. Are there
> builders local to the Fort Worth area (Granbury, Hicks, etc., also) that can
> tell me the number of hours or years it took to build their planes? Thanks.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
In God I Trust.
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| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Time to Build RV-7s in Fort Worth, TX Area |
In many ways it depends on how you want to pay for it. I'm a pay-as-you go
sort and I've been building since 2001 and have passed about 2100 hours.
It's just not in my nature to carry a lot of debt. So consequently, i also
don't have dual Cheltons (or AFS) and a lot of the bells and whistles of
others. i'm also not the world's most confident builder so i tend to think a
bout things.
When I first started, I thought a reasonable timetable was a year for each
subkit. i was wrong.
Of course it also depends on your values. Do you have kids? is your
marriage solid. Time spent on building a plane is time taken from a family
and there's no way around it.
I marvel at Larry's idea of 4 hours a day for two years. You know what we
call that up in my neck of the woods? retirement. (g)
_____
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Helming
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Time to Build RV-7s in Fort Worth, TX Area
There are builders all across the usa that will tell you it takes something
between 750 hours and 4,000 hours. The difference is experience and the
vision for perfection. The average is probably 2,000 hours. At 4 hours per
day, avoiding family vacations, and other distractions, about 2 years total
duration. Again, Depends on your experience and the number of others who
can be of support when questions come up. Stick to the plans and do not
deviate and you will save lots of time. If you have no experience, try to
stop in on someone in the building process or buy the contruction tapes on
ebay and then sell them after you are educated. Join EAA and watch all the
metal working construction you can steal time for.
Good luck, Indiana Larry -- RV7 O360 450 Hours
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Peter Capani
wrote:
I am deciding on which aircraft I want to build. The mission profile is
well defined as long-haul cross country for my wife and me in a
comparatively fast plane. The RV-7 / 7A fits the profile. Are there
builders local to the Fort Worth area (Granbury, Hicks, etc., also) that can
tell me the number of hours or years it took to build their planes? Thanks.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November List Fund Raiser |
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for
the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes
a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will
instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month!
Its just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund
Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for
the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Some Very Nice Comments... |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them over
and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation
of these services.
There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and
pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
Few things in life bring more usefulness than the List. This
is worth every penny!
Stephen T.
I have enjoyed the list for way too many years, but continue
to get closer to flying my project with the help of listers.
C.L.
Thanks for this List. It's been a great source of encouragement
and information.
Arden A.
Great service!
Gerald T.
It's always interesting reading the lists and I've gotten some
good help from the issues and answers there.
Steve T.
Been a member of the List for 12 years. Keep up the good work.
John H.
Great Site!
Harry M.
Great source of information...
Martin H.
Thanks for providing this great service!
Jeff P.
I continue to get and give information through these lists.
Ralph C.
This is a wonderful resource!
Warren H.
This is what inernet was meant for, sharing information and
experience. Michael W.
Thanks for making such a good list!
Fred D.
Thanks for running a great service!
Michael F.
I really appreciate it.
Dan H.
Thanks for the great service.
Michael L.
Thanks for maintaining this great resource.
John C.
Your sites have been a great resourses and an introduction
to many competent aircraft designers and fabricators.
Jon M.
Thanks for all that you do to maintain the Matronics forums
and for the personal help that you have been to me in
answering my questions regarding the use of the forums.
William B.
[The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and
make my systems better. Ralph C.
The Universe is a better place because of you.
Eric J.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributions Down By 21%... |
Dear Listers,
As of today, contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by 21%. I have a fund raiser each year simply to cover
my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising income
to support the Lists and rely solely on the contributions of members to keep the
expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and
the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter
of hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time as well. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs
and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments,
make a modest contribution each year to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List
services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really
said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places
on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable
List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one
of the best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser! Response
has been very good, but still well behind last year. If you've been waiting until
the last minute to make your contribution and maybe even pick up a great
gift, now might be good time to show your support!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal, or a personal check:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... |
Even though the number of List subscriptions and List posts are up significantly
this year compared to last year, support during this year's List Fund Raiser
has been woefully lagging from last year. There are only a couple more days
left in November and the end of the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.
I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members
have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser
cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid on the List service expenses,
I will have to look into some sort of advertising. Please don't let that
happen!
Your personal contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping the operation
a float. The lunch combo at Carl's Jr costs nearly $10 these days. Isn't
the List worth at least as much as a couple of burgers?
Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in
December. The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two More Days Left; Fund Raiser Behind By 12%... |
Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
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| Subject: | CAPACITIVE FUEL SENDING UNITS |
| From: | Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> |
AFTER SIX + YEARS OF BUILD TIME, I'VE BEEN FLYING MY RV-7A SINCE EARLY
AUGUST. FIRST FLIGHT WAS BY FRIEND AND MENTOR FRED STUCKLEN, OUT OF
NORTHAMPTON AIRPORT (7B2), MASSACHUSETTS. I HAVE THE GRT, EIS AND EFIS,
SINGLE AHARS, DUAL SCREEN UNIT, WITH A GARMIN AVIONICS STACK AND A/P. THE
63 HOURS ON THE AIRPLANE HAVE BEEN FREE OF ANY MAJOR ISSUES AND MOST OF THE
MINOR ONES, E.G., THE CUSTOMARY HEAVY LEFT WING, HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. THE
ONE REMAINING ISSUE IS WITH THE FUEL GAUGES. THE FUEL TOTALIZER WORKS FINE
AND IS ACCURATE TO WITHIN A FRACTION OF A GALLON AFTER A 90 MINUTE FLIGHT,
BUT THE INDIVIDUAL TANK GAUGES HAVE NEVER WORKED PROPERLY. I INSTALLED THE
VANS CAPACITIVE SENDING UNITS IN THE TANKS WITH PRINCETON CONVERTER UNITS.
THE GAUGES MAY OR MAY NOT SHOW FUEL AMOUNT FOR A FEW MINUTES AFTER
REFUELING, WITH THE TANKS FULL, BUT ALWAYS DROP OFF LINE QUICKLY AND THEN
SHOW NOTHING. I'VE CALLED GRT FOR ADVICE AND, FOR A SHORT TIME, THOUGHT WE
HAD SOLVED THE PROBLEM BY USING A DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING SEQUENCE FOR THE
CONVERTER UNITS. BUT - IT WAS NOT TO BE!
HAS ANYONE HAD SIMILAR PROBLEMS WITH THE CAPACITIVE FUEL GAUGE SYSTEM AND
HOW DID YOU GET IT RESOLVED? I'M AT THE POINT WHERE I'M SERIOUSLY
CONSIDERING REMOVING THE TANKS AND INSTALLING FLOAT TYPE SENDING UNITS.
DAN BERGERON
dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com
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| From: | "William Gill" <wgill10(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: CAPACITIVE FUEL SENDING UNITS |
Hello Dan,
I had a similar issue with one tank which was quickly resolved. Review
your calibration numbers and make sure each data point (fuel qty) is
different and changes in the same direction from your starting fuel
calibration qty to full tank. The capacitive value can be manually
over-written in the calibration menu and slightly altering the value as
directed by AFS corrected my faulty fuel reading...or at least that is
the case with the AFS-2500 engine monitor. My capacitive fuel qty set-up
from Van's with the Princeton converters is extremely accurate...would
not consider alternatives.
Regards,
Bill
RV-7 N151WP
Lee's Summit, MO
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Bergeron
To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:15 PM
Subject: RV7-List: CAPACITIVE FUEL SENDING UNITS
AFTER SIX + YEARS OF BUILD TIME, I'VE BEEN FLYING MY RV-7A SINCE EARLY
AUGUST. FIRST FLIGHT WAS BY FRIEND AND MENTOR FRED STUCKLEN, OUT OF
NORTHAMPTON AIRPORT (7B2), MASSACHUSETTS. I HAVE THE GRT, EIS AND EFIS,
SINGLE AHARS, DUAL SCREEN UNIT, WITH A GARMIN AVIONICS STACK AND A/P.
THE 63 HOURS ON THE AIRPLANE HAVE BEEN FREE OF ANY MAJOR ISSUES AND MOST
OF THE MINOR ONES, E.G., THE CUSTOMARY HEAVY LEFT WING, HAVE BEEN
RESOLVED. THE ONE REMAINING ISSUE IS WITH THE FUEL GAUGES. THE FUEL
TOTALIZER WORKS FINE AND IS ACCURATE TO WITHIN A FRACTION OF A GALLON
AFTER A 90 MINUTE FLIGHT, BUT THE INDIVIDUAL TANK GAUGES HAVE NEVER
WORKED PROPERLY. I INSTALLED THE VANS CAPACITIVE SENDING UNITS IN THE
TANKS WITH PRINCETON CONVERTER UNITS. THE GAUGES MAY OR MAY NOT SHOW
FUEL AMOUNT FOR A FEW MINUTES AFTER REFUELING, WITH THE TANKS FULL, BUT
ALWAYS DROP OFF LINE QUICKLY AND THEN SHOW NOTHING. I'VE CALLED GRT FOR
ADVICE AND, FOR A SHORT TIME, THOUGHT WE HAD SOLVED THE PROBLEM BY USING
A DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING SEQUENCE FOR THE CONVERTER UNITS. BUT - IT WAS
NOT TO BE!
HAS ANYONE HAD SIMILAR PROBLEMS WITH THE CAPACITIVE FUEL GAUGE SYSTEM
AND HOW DID YOU GET IT RESOLVED? I'M AT THE POINT WHERE I'M SERIOUSLY
CONSIDERING REMOVING THE TANKS AND INSTALLING FLOAT TYPE SENDING UNITS.
DAN BERGERON
dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com
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| From: | "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com> |
I am wanting to buy and RV7A or RV6A. It seems the RV7s are higher in price than
an RV6s. What are the differences between an RV6 and RV7. Is there any advantage
to buying an RV7 over and RV6 or vice a versa. Thanks for any replies.
Greg...
--------
Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276826#276826
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| From: | "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com> |
42 gal v 38 gal fuel .. longer wing ,,more leg room same wing & emp. As the
rv8,,rv 6 out of production,,,,,have a rv7a ifr for sale 05 640 hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of greghale
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:40 AM
Subject: RV7-List: RV7 OR RV6
I am wanting to buy and RV7A or RV6A. It seems the RV7s are higher in price
than an RV6s. What are the differences between an RV6 and RV7. Is there any
advantage to buying an RV7 over and RV6 or vice a versa. Thanks for any
replies.
Greg...
--------
Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276826#276826
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| From: | "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com> |
I could be interested. If you want to send me the specs on the airplane, location
and price via email.
Thanks,
Greg Hale
ghale5224(at)aol.com
--------
Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276851#276851
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| From: | Larry Helming <lrhelming(at)gmail.com> |
Chances are that the 7's are more consistently made due to prepunch kits.
7's have larger fuel tanks and larger rudders for more range and better
control. About the same otherwise. Check the number of hours on the plane
and engine. Engine time since new or major overhaul is primary difference.
Also, 7's are newer model and probably have more uptodate electronics.
Larry in Indiana
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM, greghale wrote:
>
> I am wanting to buy and RV7A or RV6A. It seems the RV7s are higher in price
> than an RV6s. What are the differences between an RV6 and RV7. Is there any
> advantage to buying an RV7 over and RV6 or vice a versa. Thanks for any
> replies.
>
> Greg...
>
> --------
> Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
> www.nwacaptain.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276826#276826
>
>
--
In God I Trust.
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| From: | rikvincent(at)aol.com |
Unless you buy a pre owned RV6 kit from someone I don't think the 6 empenn
age is still available
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Helming <lrhelming(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 10:30 am
Subject: Re: RV7-List: RV7 OR RV6
Chances are that the 7's are more consistently made due to prepunch kits.
7's have larger fuel tanks and larger rudders for more range and better
control. About the same otherwise. Check the number of hours on the pla
ne and engine. Engine time since new or major overhaul is primary differe
nce. Also, 7's are newer model and probably have more uptodate electronic
s. Larry in Indiana
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM, greghale wrote:
I am wanting to buy and RV7A or RV6A. It seems the RV7s are higher in pric
e than an RV6s. What are the differences between an RV6 and RV7. Is there
any advantage to buying an RV7 over and RV6 or vice a versa. Thanks for
any replies.
Greg...
--------
Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276826#276826
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| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Demo Ride in a RV-7A or RV-9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A |
Greetings:
Looking at buying a completed RV-7A or 9A or partner with somebody to build one.
Anybody in the Southern Calif Area who is willing to give a Demo Ride. Will
pay for gas. I am 6' 5" and wonder if there is enough room for a long legged
guy.
(Finished building the empennage of a RV-8A, but could not complete the rest of
the Kit for various reasons.)
Live in Santa Monica. Local airport is Santa Monica (KSMO)
Thanks, Garey Wittich
(310) 392-1682
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| From: | Robert Murillo <robertrv09(at)yahoo.com> |
Greg:- I like the seven better, is a little higher on the tail,=0Aalso, I
believe wings are a couple inches longer..=0AI have an rv6a, ( which is fo
r sale)- but I like th looks of the=0Arv7a better.=0A=0Abert=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Randy Pinkston <pinkston@caroli
na.rr.com>=0ATo: rv7-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:23
:08 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV7-List: RV7 OR RV6=0A=0A42 gal v 38 gal fuel .. lon
ger wing ,,more leg room- same wing & emp. As the=0Arv8,,rv 6 out of prod
uction,,,,,have a rv7a ifr for sale 05 640 hrs=0A=0A-----Original Message--
---=0AFrom: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv7-list-se
rver(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of greghale=0ASent: Wednesday, December 09, 2
009 10:40 AM=0ATo: rv7-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RV7-List: RV7 OR RV6
am wanting to buy and RV7A or RV6A. It seems the RV7s are higher in price
=0Athan an RV6s. What are the differences between an RV6 and RV7. Is there
any=0Aadvantage to buying an RV7 over and RV6 or vice a versa. Thanks for a
ny=0Areplies. =0A=0AGreg...=0A=0A--------=0AGreg Hale rv10 -- N210KH=0Awww.
nwacaptain.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forum
s.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276826#276826=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 - Instrument Panel Power Coat & Silkscreen... |
Listers,
I got the instrument panel back from power coat and silkscreen today and I just
couldn't wait to stick the instruments in to see what it looks like!
Sweet!!
I can hardly wait to get it mounted and powered back up!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
Final Assembly
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| From: | dogsbark(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 - Instrument Panel Power Coat & Silkscreen... |
Matt,
Your panel reminds me of when I walk into Best Buy and see all the flat pan
el TVs on the wall.=C2- Sweeeet!=C2- I really like the silkscreen with
your signature and the black finish.=C2- Nice job.
Sean Blair
COS
...starting over, 7A this time.
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:25:11 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RV7-List: RV-8 - Instrument Panel Power Coat & Silkscreen...
Listers,
I got the instrument panel back from power coat and silkscreen today and I
just couldn't wait to stick the instruments in to see what it looks like!
Sweet!!
I can hardly wait to get it mounted and powered back up!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
Final Assembly
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2009 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2009 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
Their generous
contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running.
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I also want to thank Bob, Jon, Andy, and John for their generous support through
the supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and
I encourage you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com
John Caldwell - HowToCrimp - www.howtocrimp.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2009 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2009.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Demo Ride in RV-7A or 9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A |
Greetings & Happy New Year:
Anybody will to give me a "Demo Ride" in their RV-7A or 9A ???? Willing to pay
for your gas. I am located next to Santa Monica Airport (KSMO)
Looking to buy a "completed" RV-7A or 9A (assuming I fit in one - as 6' 5"" )
Do you know of one for sale ??
Thanks, Garey Witich ( CFI, MEI ) Santa Monica, CA (310) 392-1682
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| From: | "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Demo Ride in RV-7A or 9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A |
In north Carolina rv7a slider 0-360 IFR 2005 rv7a quick build ALL
NEW,,640
tt new Mattituck 0360. NEW blended hartsell prop,, garmin340
audio,,,SL30nav/com.... Garmin 300 tso,gps/com/ garmin 330 transponder
w/traffic.. B&C backup alternator, pictoral tru-trak autopilot /
alt.
hold.,,,dual grandrapids efis ,,full interior ect, Firm 124,999.00
,,wadesboro nc,,,,704-438-1222 Randy Pinkston
Price cut too 99,500.00
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 7:32 PM
rv9-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV7-List: Demo Ride in RV-7A or 9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A
Greetings & Happy New Year:
Anybody will to give me a "Demo Ride" in their RV-7A or 9A ???? Willing
to
pay for your gas. I am located next to Santa Monica Airport (KSMO)
Looking to buy a "completed" RV-7A or 9A (assuming I fit in one - as 6'
5""
) Do you know of one for sale ??
Thanks, Garey Witich ( CFI, MEI ) Santa Monica, CA (310)
392-1682
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| Subject: | Re: Demo Ride in RV-7A or 9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A |
| From: | Lamar Lawson <lamar(at)takeflighttexas.com> |
gary,
thought you might want to see this.
Lamar
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From: Randy Pinkston <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 7:40 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Demo Ride in RV-7A or 9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A
In north Carolina rv7a slider 0-360 IFR 2005 rv7a quick build ALL NEW,,640
tt new Mattituck 0360. NEW blended hartsell prop,, garmin340
audio,,,SL30nav/com=85=85=85. Garmin 300 tso,gps/com/ garmin 330 transponde
r
w/traffic.. B&C backup alternator, pictoral tru-trak autopilot / alt.
hold.,,,dual grandrapids efis ,,full interior ect, Firm 124,999.00
,,wadesboro nc,,,,704-438-1222 Randy Pinkston
Price cut too 99,500.00
-----Original Message-----
*From:* owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Garey Wittich
*Sent:* Monday, January 04, 2010 7:32 PM
*To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv7-list(at)matronics.com; rv9-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RV7-List: Demo Ride in RV-7A or 9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A
Greetings & Happy New Year:
Anybody will to give me a "Demo Ride" in their RV-7A or 9A ???? Willing to
pay for your gas. I am located next to Santa Monica Airport (KSMO)
Looking to buy a "completed" RV-7A or 9A (assuming I fit in one - as 6' 5"
"
) Do you know of one for sale ??
Thanks, Garey Witich ( CFI, MEI ) Santa Monica, CA (310) 392-1682
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| From: | David Cudney <yenduc(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: cable airshow |
Is anyone going to Cable this weekend? I was hoping to go on
Saturday. Will there be an RV parking section?
dave
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... |
Hey RV'ers,
I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been working so hard on
the RV-8! I'm happy to report that the Engine, Interior, Wiring, Avionics,
and canopy are all complete. Basically all I've got left is some fiberglass around
the windscreen, and a few other odds and ends and its time to move it out
to the hanger for final assembly! I thought I'd share a few current pictures
just for fun.
Test flight in March...?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos
Final Assembly...
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| From: | Carlos Hernandez <carlosh(at)structuralaz.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... |
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| From: | Bruce Swayze <swayze(at)europa.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... |
Matt,
I'm VERY impressed with all the interior installations. Great job!
Now I realize more than ever just how much work I have ahead of me.
Thanks for the inspiration.
At 09:45 PM 1/21/2010, you wrote:
>Hey RV'ers,
>
>I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been
>working so hard on the RV-8! I'm happy to report that the Engine,
>Interior, Wiring, Avionics, and canopy are all complete. Basically
>all I've got left is some fiberglass around the windscreen, and a
>few other odds and ends and its time to move it out to the hanger
>for final assembly! I thought I'd share a few current pictures just for fun.
>
>Test flight in March...?
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos
>Final Assembly...
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| From: | Carlos Hernandez <carlosh(at)structuralaz.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... |
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| From: | dogsbark(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... |
Wow Matt!!!=C2- Congratulations on such a beautiful plane.=C2- You must
be very happy with the results of all your hard work.=C2- Very professio
nal looking.
Sean Blair
COS
Starting=C2-a 7A
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:45:54 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RV7-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8...
Hey RV'ers,
I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been working so ha
rd on the RV-8! =C2-I'm happy to report that the Engine, Interior, Wiring
, Avionics, and canopy are all complete. =C2-Basically all I've got left
is some fiberglass around the windscreen, and a few other odds and ends and
its time to move it out to the hanger for final assembly! =C2-I thought
I'd share a few current pictures just for fun.
Test flight in March...?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos
Final Assembly...
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| From: | Carlos Hernandez <carlosh(at)structuralaz.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... |
Well, you'll get there!! I've put about 2200 hours in on the RV-8 project in about
the last 18 months... I started it about mid-June of 08. Its a QB.
I've been dreaming about flying my own RV for 21 years now since I first started
the RV-4 project way back in 1988!! I was one of the youngest people to be
building an RV back then. Now, not so much... ;-)
That first flight will definitely be a very special occasion...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos
Final Assembly...
At 12:16 PM 1/22/2010 Friday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>
>I'm VERY impressed with all the interior installations. Great job!
>
>Now I realize more than ever just how much work I have ahead of me. Thanks for
the inspiration.
>
>At 09:45 PM 1/21/2010, you wrote:
>
>>Hey RV'ers,
>>
>>I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been working so hard
on the RV-8! I'm happy to report that the Engine, Interior, Wiring, Avionics,
and canopy are all complete. Basically all I've got left is some fiberglass
around the windscreen, and a few other odds and ends and its time to move it
out to the hanger for final assembly! I thought I'd share a few current pictures
just for fun.
>>
>>Test flight in March...?
>>
>>Matt Dralle
>>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>>http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos
>>Final Assembly...
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| From: | "ilan perry" <i.perry(at)lipogen.co.il> |
| Subject: | ?windows-1255?Q?=FA=F9=E5=E1=E4:_RV7-List:_Current_Status_Of_Mr._RV-8...? |
Hi Matt.
Still wafting to have tow cd's after my contribution last year!
Ilan Perry -ISRAEL
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: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] Matt Dralle
: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:53 AM
: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
: Re: RV7-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8...
Well, you'll get there!! I've put about 2200 hours in on the RV-8 project
in about the last 18 months... I started it about mid-June of 08. Its a
QB.
I've been dreaming about flying my own RV for 21 years now since I first
started the RV-4 project way back in 1988!! I was one of the youngest
people to be building an RV back then. Now, not so much... ;-)
That first flight will definitely be a very special occasion...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos
Final Assembly...
At 12:16 PM 1/22/2010 Friday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>
>I'm VERY impressed with all the interior installations. Great job!
>
>Now I realize more than ever just how much work I have ahead of me. Thanks
for the inspiration.
>
>At 09:45 PM 1/21/2010, you wrote:
>
>>Hey RV'ers,
>>
>>I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been working so
hard on the RV-8! I'm happy to report that the Engine, Interior, Wiring,
Avionics, and canopy are all complete. Basically all I've got left is some
fiberglass around the windscreen, and a few other odds and ends and its time
to move it out to the hanger for final assembly! I thought I'd share a few
current pictures just for fun.
>>
>>Test flight in March...?
>>
>>Matt Dralle
>>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>>http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos
>>Final Assembly...
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| From: | "ilan perry" <i.perry(at)lipogen.co.il> |
| Subject: | =?windows-1255?B?+vnl4eQ6IPr55eHkOiBSVjctTGlzdDogQ3VycmVudCBTdGF0dXMgTw==?= |
=?windows-1255?B?ZiBNci4gUlYtOC4uLg==?
Hi Matt.
Still wafting to have tow cd's after my contribution last year!
Ilan Perry -ISRAEL
----- -----
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] ilan perry
: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:46 PM
: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
: : RV7-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8...
Hi Matt.
Still wafting to have tow cd's after my contribution last year!
Ilan Perry -ISRAEL
----- -----
: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] Matt Dralle
: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:53 AM
: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
: Re: RV7-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8...
Well, you'll get there!! I've put about 2200 hours in on the RV-8 project
in about the last 18 months... I started it about mid-June of 08. Its a
QB.
I've been dreaming about flying my own RV for 21 years now since I first
started the RV-4 project way back in 1988!! I was one of the youngest
people to be building an RV back then. Now, not so much... ;-)
That first flight will definitely be a very special occasion...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos
Final Assembly...
At 12:16 PM 1/22/2010 Friday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>
>I'm VERY impressed with all the interior installations. Great job!
>
>Now I realize more than ever just how much work I have ahead of me. Thanks
for the inspiration.
>
>At 09:45 PM 1/21/2010, you wrote:
>
>>Hey RV'ers,
>>
>>I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been working so
hard on the RV-8! I'm happy to report that the Engine, Interior, Wiring,
Avionics, and canopy are all complete. Basically all I've got left is some
fiberglass around the windscreen, and a few other odds and ends and its time
to move it out to the hanger for final assembly! I thought I'd share a few
current pictures just for fun.
>>
>>Test flight in March...?
>>
>>Matt Dralle
>>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>>http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos
>>Final Assembly...
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | In-flight Entertainment & LCD Screens... |
Dear listers,
I've received quite a few emails asking about my entertainment installation in
the RV-8 project and specifically the components I used and how I installed them.
The links and text below documents the selection and process pretty well
and so I thought I'd pass it along to the Lists.
The front headrest with the monitor in it is the standard headrest I got from Classic
Aero for use with the Aviator seats. I made some serious modifications
to it however, and then sent it back to them for leather upholstering. It came
out really nice and isn't too heavy. I documented the whole process in my
blog in extreme detail here:
Initial installation using the white plastic shells (10 logs):
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73410&row=91
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73411&row=90
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73412&row=89
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73413&row=88
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73414&row=87
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73415&row=86
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73415&row=86
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73416&row=85
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73417&row=84
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=73418&row=83
Installation redo with new and significantly improved black shells (5 logs):
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77846&row=48
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77847&row=47
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77848&row=46
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77849&row=45
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77850&row=44
Final installation with Leather upholstery completed (4 logs):
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=4395&log=86106&row=5
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=4395&log=86107&row=4
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log'427&row=2
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log'427&row=2
On the main instrument panel, I'm using a Kenwood DNX8120 entertainment system
with a 7" LCD touch screen. The DNX8120 has been replaced by the DNX9140 which
is very similar:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=67178&row=159
http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/eXcelon/Mobile_Video_n_Navigation/DNX9140
The rear screen is slaved to the DNX8120 though an AV controller that comes with
the screen. The rear LCD screen is also 7", but not a touch screen. Its a
Kenwood model number LZ-702IR:
http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/Mobile_Video_n_Navigation/Mobile_Video/LZ-702IR
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_7134_Kenwood+LZ-702IR.html
The rear view cam is also a Kenwood unit and integrates with the DNX very nicely:
http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/eXcelon/Mobile_Video_n_Navigation/CCD-2000
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
Finishing up...
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Windscreen Fairing First Look! |
Dear Listers,
I've been working hard on the front, fixed fairing around the windscreen this week.
Literally, I've been dreading this job more than ANY other on this project.
Tonight I sanded though the first layer of electrical tape and in one little
spot the second layer started to come up, so I had to pull all of the electrical
tape off and so I was able to check out the actual fiberglass fairing after
two days of sanding! Yahoo! It came out nearly perfect!! Not bad for creating
a fairing out of nothing! The process described in the manual really
does work amazingly well. I followed it to the tee up to this point.
Now I have to retape everything, add a layer of resin mixed with filler, then final
sand the whole thing. Should be pretty straight forward, but a couple of
days worth of work.
Almost done...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Front & Back Wheel Pant Fit... |
Dear Listers,
I'm adding the little fairings between the main wheel pants and the gear leg today.
I'm using the premade fairing from Farings Etc and installation looks pretty
straightforward.
But I'm really on the fence about the main wheel pants and specifically the front-to-back
fit. I have the gap all the way around between the two perfect. No
problems there.
The issue is with the unevenness of the thickness of the front to back. The rear
part has the flange that holds the plate nuts. The shoulder is a little bit
higher in some spots than the front part and a little be lower in other spots.
If it was higher all the way around, it would be a no-brainer to just sand
it down. But the high/low is problematic. The low spots are generally caused
by the screws and the high spots between the screws.
Yeah, I could fill and sand and fill and sand so that *maybe* I would have a "perfect"
transition front to back. But maybe not. I'm thinking its going to be
a huge amount of work that, in the end, isn't really going to look any different
once its painted.
Should I just embrace the transition as-is and move on? Or spend a couple of weeks
trying to fill and sand in hopes of a better look?
Attached are a couple of pics of what it looks like currently.
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
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| From: | "Jim" <jjewell(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Front & Back Wheel Pant Fit... |
Had the same when doing mine a few years ago. Spent about four days filling
and sanding for that right fit. Looking at them now it was worth the effort.
Hang in there Matt, my guess is you'll like the outcome.
Yes building an OBAM aircraft is "a huge amount of work" but you knew that
when you signed on.
I'm Sure you'll be proud of the extra effort.
Keep at it, not far now,
Jim in Kelowna RV6-A C-GIIG for sale (No license)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:31 PM
Subject: RV-List: Front & Back Wheel Pant Fit...
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I'm adding the little fairings between the main wheel pants and the gear
> leg today. I'm using the premade fairing from Farings Etc and
> installation looks pretty straightforward.
>
> But I'm really on the fence about the main wheel pants and specifically
> the front-to-back fit. I have the gap all the way around between the two
> perfect. No problems there.
>
> The issue is with the unevenness of the thickness of the front to back.
> The rear part has the flange that holds the plate nuts. The shoulder is a
> little bit higher in some spots than the front part and a little be lower
> in other spots. If it was higher all the way around, it would be a
> no-brainer to just sand it down. But the high/low is problematic. The
> low spots are generally caused by the screws and the high spots between
> the screws.
>
> Yeah, I could fill and sand and fill and sand so that *maybe* I would have
> a "perfect" transition front to back. But maybe not. I'm thinking its
> going to be a huge amount of work that, in the end, isn't really going to
> look any different once its painted.
>
> Should I just embrace the transition as-is and move on? Or spend a couple
> of weeks trying to fill and sand in hopes of a better look?
>
> Attached are a couple of pics of what it looks like currently.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fiberglass Windscreen Bezel |
Hey guys,
Well, the fiberglass windscreen bezel is THE job I have been dreading the most
about this RV-8 project. I'm happy to report that tonight it is complete! And
it turned out really nice. I documented the whole process on my RV-8 builder's
blog here (11 log entries):
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=98294&row=11
It took two tries to get it the way I wanted it. The first time, I didn't get
the line straight left-to-right and the dip in the center wasn't in the center.
The second time around, I made sure it was dead on!
I've attached a few photos of the process (more on the blog).
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants...
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| From: | "Scott" <scott(at)randolphs.net> |
| Subject: | Whelen strobe question |
Has anybody had any experience using a Whelen CSP660 or similar strobe power
supply (targeted at police/fire vehicles) as a 1/4 price alternative to the
$400 aviation A314 strobe power supply?
Thanks!
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| From: | Heyden Thomas <vmax737(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | W-818 Pushrod Assembly |
The initial assembly of the W-818 pushrod did not come out as good as I hop
ed. On the first hole=2C using a drill press=2C the opposing hole on the e
nd of the ST4130 did not come out exactly 180 degrees=2C more like 160 degr
ees. I'm considering changing course and weld the ST4130 and the rod end t
ogether. If I go that route=2C should I fill the two drill holes that are
already there? Any suggestions what kind of instruction to give the welder
regarding what type of welding rod to use? If a "bead" is put between the
rod end and the tube=2C I would probably have to shorten the rod by a leng
th equal to the "bead".
Comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
Vmax
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: W-818 Pushrod Assembly |
At 07:48 AM 2/14/2010 Sunday, you wrote:
>The initial assembly of the W-818 pushrod did not come out as good as I hoped.
On the first hole, using a drill press, the opposing hole on the end of the
ST4130 did not come out exactly 180 degrees, more like 160 degrees. I'm considering
changing course and weld the ST4130 and the rod end together. If I go
that route, should I fill the two drill holes that are already there? Any suggestions
what kind of instruction to give the welder regarding what type of welding
rod to use? If a "bead" is put between the rod end and the tube, I would
probably have to shorten the rod by a length equal to the "bead".
>
>Comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>Vmax
Hi Vmax,
My recommendation would be to throw your exiting W-818 out and buy a new one.
You're dealing with your life here. Anything having to do with flight controls
needs to be 100%. In the long run, you'll look back at this and will be very
happy you did it right.
During the construction of my RV-8, my goal has been "no regrets", no matter how
big or small. If it wasn't perfect, I did it again, generally with new parts.
I have no regrets looking back.
$.02.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matts RV-8 Construction Log
Finishing up...
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| Subject: | Re: W-818 Pushrod Assembly |
| From: | Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> |
Matt:
I'm not a structural engineer but it seems to me you'd be better off with a
rivet slightly off the mark than with a weld at that location. A broken
weld might buy you the farm - an off the mark rivet is probably of no
consequence. My advice: Call Vans and see what they have to say. If
necessary - order another pushrod and ST4130 fitting and do it over.
What'll it cost - a few dollars and a little bit of time. That fitting is
critical and must be absolutely fail-safe - I would not trust a weld.
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A - N307TB
100+ hours since first flight on 8/4/09
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> At 07:48 AM 2/14/2010 Sunday, you wrote:
>
> >The initial assembly of the W-818 pushrod did not come out as good as I
> hoped. On the first hole, using a drill press, the opposing hole on the end
> of the ST4130 did not come out exactly 180 degrees, more like 160 degrees.
> I'm considering changing course and weld the ST4130 and the rod end
> together. If I go that route, should I fill the two drill holes that are
> already there? Any suggestions what kind of instruction to give the welder
> regarding what type of welding rod to use? If a "bead" is put between the
> rod end and the tube, I would probably have to shorten the rod by a length
> equal to the "bead".
> >
> >Comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> >Vmax
>
> Hi Vmax,
>
> My recommendation would be to throw your exiting W-818 out and buy a new
> one. You're dealing with your life here. Anything having to do with flight
> controls needs to be 100%. In the long run, you'll look back at this and
> will be very happy you did it right.
>
> During the construction of my RV-8, my goal has been "no regrets", no
> matter how big or small. If it wasn't perfect, I did it again, generally
> with new parts. I have no regrets looking back.
>
> $.02.
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matts RV-8 Construction Log
> Finishing up...
>
>
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| From: | Dave Ross <rossrv4(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: W-818 Pushrod Assembly |
Heyden,I would get new parts. Did you use a V block on the drill press? With one,you
can drill through one side of rod and then stop and make sure the rod is
centered with bit and then finish drilling. I also like to drill undersize to
start with. To help with riveting, drill a half inch hole in a short piece of
2 x 4, then split it. Use these in a vise to clamp rod for riveting so rod will
not rotate when squeezing rivet. Dave Ross
--- On Sun, 2/14/10, Heyden Thomas wrote:
> From: Heyden Thomas <vmax737(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: RV7-List: W-818 Pushrod Assembly
> To: "RV7"
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 10:48 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The initial assembly of the W-818 pushrod did not come out
> as good as I hoped. On the first hole, using a drill
> press, the opposing hole on the end of the ST4130 did not
> come out exactly 180 degrees, more like 160 degrees.
> I'm considering changing course and weld the ST4130 and
> the rod end together. If I go that route, should I
> fill the two drill holes that are already there? Any
> suggestions what kind of instruction to give the welder
> regarding what type of welding rod to use? If a
> "bead" is put between the rod end and the tube, I
> would probably have to shorten the rod by a length equal to
> the "bead".
>
> Comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Vmax
>
> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with
> security by Microsoft. Get
> it now.
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "David Stuebner" <david.stuebner(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | W-818 Pushrod Assembly |
Tom,
I wouldn't be a conservative as the others. The plans call out the option
for welding, so it is an acceptable method of joining he pieces. I would
expect that if you told a competent welder what the materials are he/she
would pick an appropriate filler material and weld prep procedure. The bead
doesn't have to be flush, so he/she may not even bevel the egdes. As for
the existing holes, I definitly wouldn't worry about the hole in the end
fitting. It's designed to have holes in it. And I wouldn't worry about two
1/8" holes in the tubing, except one of the goals is to seal the tube up as
best as possible. So, I would rotate the fitting 90degrees and have the
welder fill in the tubing holes. The one drawback to welding is it burns
the primer off the inside. Trade-offs.
And yes, a quick call or email to Van's to confirm won't hurt.
Dave
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| From: | "David Stuebner" <david.stuebner(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RV-7 F-7114 L and R fit |
Anyone building a -7 have problems with the spar bolt hole locations in the
F-7114 gussets? I am having trouble getting bolts to go through the center
section and then through the gusset holes. I know the bolts are close
tolerance, but.... I can rationalize that the close tolerance is needed for
the heavy spar end and the heavy components of the center section. Do you
think I can open up the holes in the gussets a bit?
Dave
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| From: | "Joseph F. Giallo, II" <jgiallo(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-7 F-7114 L and R fit |
Dave,
This is a known problem - fortunately solvable. Van's will tell you that
the affected components are match drilled, unfortunately the assembly is
what counts and mis-alignments creep in to their assembly processes. I
had special endmills made that fit inside the holes (both sizes) and
would only cut on the end rather than the sides - thus clearing the
interference without damaging the precision holes. If your misalignment
is slight it may be possible to clear using a machinists scraper in a
careful way. If you can't make this work send me your address off-list
and I'll send you the endmills. Make sure to check both sides of the
fuse spar as well as the wing inserts - I found issues in both (yes it
is a quickbuild). The most difficult part of the repair was aligning the
spar holes once the interference was cleared - I had some expert help
from Van's east coast representative to unrivet the forward portion of
the spar within the fuse, the wings were then plugged in and
pseudo-precision pins (also available if you need them) inserted to
align the parts. The spar was then re-riveted to hold the (now correct)
alignment. Hope this last step isn't necessary in your case but I
mention it as it does happen (mine is not the only case.....)
Regards,
Joe
N813MJ 80hrs
David Stuebner wrote:
>
>
> Anyone building a -7 have problems with the spar bolt hole locations
> in the F-7114 gussets? I am having trouble getting bolts to go
> through the center section and then through the gusset holes. I know
> the bolts are close tolerance, but.... I can rationalize that the
> close tolerance is needed for the heavy spar end and the heavy
> components of the center section. Do you think I can open up the holes
> in the gussets a bit?
> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV7-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/15/10 |
| From: | John Russo <jtrusso(at)gmail.com> |
Regarding the W-818 Pushrod Assembly, there was a thread whether or not this
could be weleded on Vansairforce a while back. Lots of good info in here,
some people are pro, some are con.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=25581&highlight=welded+pushrods
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> 1. 07:56 AM - Subject: W-818 Pushrod Assembly (David Stuebner)
> 2. 10:04 AM - RV-7 F-7114 L and R fit (David Stuebner)
> 3. 09:52 PM - Re: RV-7 F-7114 L and R fit (Joseph F. Giallo, II)
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> From: "David Stuebner" <david.stuebner(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Subject: RV7-List: W-818 Pushrod Assembly
>
>
> Tom,
> I wouldn't be a conservative as the others. The plans call out the option
> for welding, so it is an acceptable method of joining he pieces. I would
> expect that if you told a competent welder what the materials are he/she
> would pick an appropriate filler material and weld prep procedure. The
> bead
> doesn't have to be flush, so he/she may not even bevel the egdes. As for
> the existing holes, I definitly wouldn't worry about the hole in the end
> fitting. It's designed to have holes in it. And I wouldn't worry about two
> 1/8" holes in the tubing, except one of the goals is to seal the tube up as
> best as possible. So, I would rotate the fitting 90degrees and have the
> welder fill in the tubing holes. The one drawback to welding is it burns
> the primer off the inside. Trade-offs.
> And yes, a quick call or email to Van's to confirm won't hurt.
> Dave
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David Stuebner" <david.stuebner(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: RV7-List: RV-7 F-7114 L and R fit
>
>
> Anyone building a -7 have problems with the spar bolt hole locations in the
> F-7114 gussets? I am having trouble getting bolts to go through the
> center
> section and then through the gusset holes. I know the bolts are close
> tolerance, but.... I can rationalize that the close tolerance is needed for
> the heavy spar end and the heavy components of the center section. Do you
> think I can open up the holes in the gussets a bit?
> Dave
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Joseph F. Giallo, II" <jgiallo(at)mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: RV-7 F-7114 L and R fit
>
>
> Dave,
>
> This is a known problem - fortunately solvable. Van's will tell you that
> the affected components are match drilled, unfortunately the assembly is
> what counts and mis-alignments creep in to their assembly processes. I
> had special endmills made that fit inside the holes (both sizes) and
> would only cut on the end rather than the sides - thus clearing the
> interference without damaging the precision holes. If your misalignment
> is slight it may be possible to clear using a machinists scraper in a
> careful way. If you can't make this work send me your address off-list
> and I'll send you the endmills. Make sure to check both sides of the
> fuse spar as well as the wing inserts - I found issues in both (yes it
> is a quickbuild). The most difficult part of the repair was aligning the
> spar holes once the interference was cleared - I had some expert help
> from Van's east coast representative to unrivet the forward portion of
> the spar within the fuse, the wings were then plugged in and
> pseudo-precision pins (also available if you need them) inserted to
> align the parts. The spar was then re-riveted to hold the (now correct)
> alignment. Hope this last step isn't necessary in your case but I
> mention it as it does happen (mine is not the only case.....)
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe
> N813MJ 80hrs
>
> David Stuebner wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Anyone building a -7 have problems with the spar bolt hole locations
> > in the F-7114 gussets? I am having trouble getting bolts to go
> > through the center section and then through the gusset holes. I know
> > the bolts are close tolerance, but.... I can rationalize that the
> > close tolerance is needed for the heavy spar end and the heavy
> > components of the center section. Do you think I can open up the holes
> > in the gussets a bit?
> > Dave
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling... |
Greetings fellow builders,
In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 with acetone
to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to make a filler for the
pin holes and other surface imperfections. Seems straightforward enough.
But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like its going
to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky 'ol Lycomings.
Thoughts?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Blog
Finishing up...
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| From: | <John.Morrissey(at)csiro.au> |
| Subject: | RE: RV-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling... |
Hi Matt,
In practical terms the fibreglass is pretty impervious to oil leaks. I just use
a bit of degreaser to wash the inside of the cowls at 100hr inspection times
and everything stays pretty clean. The extra weight of all that additional fibreglass
just isn't worth it in the long run.
If it really worries you buy an English Wheel and a TIG welder and make a set of
new cowls out of aluminium. :-)
Good luck
John Morrissey
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Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: RV-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Greetings fellow builders,
In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 with acetone
to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to make a filler for the
pin holes and other surface imperfections. Seems straightforward enough.
But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like its going
to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky 'ol Lycomings.
Thoughts?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Blog
Finishing up...
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV8-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling... |
Recommend just priming with white epoxy primer (e.g.PPG). The primer will
seal the fiberglass and will reflect some heat. This is what I did on my 8A
and it is holding up well.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (525 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:58 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Adding Thinned Resin To INSIDE Of Cowling...
--> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Greetings fellow builders,
In the manual, Van's describes a procedure of mixing some resin 1:1 with
acetone to form a thin coating for the OUTSIDE of the cowling to make a
filler for the pin holes and other surface imperfections. Seems
straightforward enough.
But what about the INSIDE of the cowling? That open weave seems like its
going to soak up any oil and whatnot that runs out of these leaky 'ol
Lycomings.
Thoughts?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Blog
Finishing up...
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen strobe question |
| From: | nskyking55(at)aol.com |
I was told by a Whelen rep that the non aviation models don't have the pro
per noise filters in them.
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Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:14 pm
Subject: RV7-List: Whelen strobe question
Has anybody had any experience using a Whelen CSP660 or similar strobe pow
er supply (targeted at police/fire vehicles) as a 1/4 price alternative to
the $400 aviation A314 strobe power supply?
Thanks!
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Photos Of CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring...? |
Does anyone have any close-up photos of how they safety wired the prop bolts on
a Hartzell CS prop? You have to run the safety wire though those roll-pins.
What a pain. If you have to pull the torque up from the bottom, it seems impossible
to actually set twist. Maybe if I twist both ends first... Hum...
Anyway, some pics would be most appreciated!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Photos Of CS Prop Bolt Safety Wiring...? |
At 12:08 PM 2/28/2010 Sunday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Does anyone have any close-up photos of how they safety wired the prop bolts on
a Hartzell CS prop? You have to run the safety wire though those roll-pins.
What a pain. If you have to pull the torque up from the bottom, it seems impossible
to actually set twist. Maybe if I twist both ends first... Hum...
>
>Anyway, some pics would be most appreciated!
>
>Matt Dralle
Well, okay, so it wasn't quite as hard as I thought. It was still a pain though!
Here are three pictures of the safety wiring I did on the Hartzell CS Prop
bolts (photo of each pair of bolts). What do you guys think?
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
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| From: | "David Stuebner" <david.stuebner(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RV-7 Finish kit packing list |
Does anyone have a copy of the packing list for an RV-7 Finish Kit that they
could send me for reference?
Dave
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| From: | "Dave Stuebner" <david.stuebner(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | re: packing list |
Thank you very much to the person who responded to my request.
Dave
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| From: | "Dave Stuebner" <david.stuebner(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-7 packing list, asking again. |
I really hate to have to ask this, but could the person who sent me the
packing list please send it to me again? It is exactly what I was looking
for. I got it right after I got a computer virus, and the fix for the virus
has been worse than the virus it self. Now all I have is a blue screen, and
can't access my email on that machine. That is why I didn't send a personal
thank you.
Dave
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| From: | "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker(at)optonline.net> |
| Subject: | Help with an BMA EFIS/One question |
I have a BMA EFIS/One G3 gold box. My plane is to the point where I have started
checking out the avionics interconnections. I have the EFIS connected to my
SL30 and to my Trutrak autopilot. The
Trutrak was not communicating so I opened the EFIS/One up to take a look. I discovered
that the additional serial ports, one of which is connected to the Trutrak
and which I assumed were a standard
part of the EFIS/One, are not there. Contacting "alumni" from BMA indicates that
the serial ports were an option - which I didn't request since I didn't know
they were optional.
In any case, the ports were on a standard PC104 quad serial port board which I
could easily add to my system if I only knew what board it was and what settings
on the board.
So far no one with any involvement with BMA has been able to help me identify the
board.
So my questions are:
Is there any one who has an EFIS/One G3 with the serial port option that could
open their box and either take a picture of each side of the top (approx 3.5"x3.5")
board or let me know of any
manufacturing numbers on the board?
Or, is there anyone with this EFIS that has the serial ports, is not using the
extra serial ports (ports 2-5) and would be interested in selling me the serial
port board? Or, if the price is right,
the entire G3.
And for those of you who are not aware, there is someone on the BMA forums that
is currently working to get regular chart updates going again (with Greg's blessing).
The plan is for them to be even
cheaper than when BMA was supplying them since the charts will be generated directly
from the feds database, rather than through Jeppeson as a middleman. Not
that the difference in cost is really a
big deal if charts are available again!
Thanks for any help you can offer.
Dick Tasker
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| From: | Harrell Staton <pj260(at)bellsouth.net> |
No one on the list now probably knows me, so I thought I would
introduce myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville,
FL. I'm a reluctant Floridian - this is where I washed up on the
beach when I retired from the US Navy - ETC(SS) (RET). The main
reason for this post is due to the fact that, as of today, I am no
longer merely a dreamer. I took possession of my RV7 tail kit today,
so the adventure is officially begun. Still have some workshop
arrangement issues to work out, but it has started!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Francis Herr <fherr(at)cfl.rr.com> |
Welcome aboard Sam. I was there in November 2003 when I started my RV
7A (Palm Bay, FL).
On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Harrell Staton wrote:
No one on the list now probably knows me, so I thought I would
introduce myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville,
FL. I'm a reluctant Floridian - this is where I washed up on the beach
when I retired from the US Navy - ETC(SS) (RET). The main reason for
this post is due to the fact that, as of today, I am no longer merely
a dreamer. I took possession of my RV7 tail kit today, so the
adventure is officially begun. Still have some workshop arrangement
issues to work out, but it has started!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Brunke <jdoody727(at)comcast.net> |
Dear Harrell,
Welcome and have lots of fun with this. You will get tired of answering the one
question:
"When do you plan on finishing it?" I just tell everyone a year. I've been
telling them that
for about three years now. Enjoy,
John Brunke
RV7 tipup in progress.
On Mar 6, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Harrell Staton wrote:
>
> No one on the list now probably knows me, so I thought I would introduce myself.
My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville, FL. I'm a reluctant Floridian
- this is where I washed up on the beach when I retired from the US Navy
- ETC(SS) (RET). The main reason for this post is due to the fact that, as of
today, I am no longer merely a dreamer. I took possession of my RV7 tail kit
today, so the adventure is officially begun. Still have some workshop arrangement
issues to work out, but it has started!
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "David Barrett" <flylists(at)dbarrett.net> |
Sam -
Welcome to the fraternity. There will be times when the smile you now have
on your face will twist and turn, but as you complete each section it will
grow larger until your first flight when the famous "RV Grin" will appear.
David Barrett
RV-7 fuselage
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From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harrell Staton
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: RV7-List: New Builder
No one on the list now probably knows me, so I thought I would
introduce myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville,
FL. I'm a reluctant Floridian - this is where I washed up on the
beach when I retired from the US Navy - ETC(SS) (RET). The main
reason for this post is due to the fact that, as of today, I am no
longer merely a dreamer. I took possession of my RV7 tail kit today,
so the adventure is officially begun. Still have some workshop
arrangement issues to work out, but it has started!
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| From: | Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Harrell:
Congratulations - way to go! Welcome to the fraternity/sorority of
builders.
The best way to do this is to set yourself a series of goals and sub goals -
obviously your ultimate goal is to build an RV-7 - but mentally/emotionally
that's a lot to handle and you may get discouraged - so your immediate goal
is the empennage - break that down into smaller sub-goals, e.g., the trim
tab, elevator, horizontal stab, vert stab, etc.. Concentrate on one
sub-component at a time - getting them done one at a time - take pride,
satisfaction and encouragement from that one finished item - then move on to
the next and the next - be realistic - strive for perfection but try not to
be a perfectionist - if you do you may never finish your project - my RV-7A
is pretty to look at, flies beautifully and is perfectly safe - but it isn't
perfect - give yourself enough time - it took my wife and me 6.5 years to
finish our RV-7A - (we were both 67 when we finished). When I got started I
was working 50+ hours per week at my day job and was lucky to get 1.5 hours
done on the airplane in the evening (and of course many hours on the
weekends) - but you'd be amazed how much you can get done in 1.5 hours - and
1.5 + 1.5 + etc, etc, adds up to lots of hours. After I retired at age 66 I
went at it full time. Try to get yourself a mentor - someone who has been
there and done that.- I was lucky - I've had the best. An EAA chapter would
be a good place to find one. Try to get family involved - your wife or a
child. My wife did most of the rivetting and developed and artist's touch
with and Avery 3X - no lowly bucking bar for this lady. Enjoy the process
- good luck - hang in there.
On a different subject but still airplane related: I'm 68 years old and
have noticed over the years that, human nature being what it is, we're
usually far more quick to complain and criticize when things go wrong that
we are to appreciate and praise when they go right. So - allow me a few
lines and a little read time to say something nice. My wife and I recently
flew our RV-7A from our home base in Northampton, MA (7B2) to Beaufort
County, SC (KARW) near Hilton Head, where we tied down for a few days and
visited with relatives. Great folks at ARW - friendly and helpful - with a
nice, clean, well maintained airport. We intended to fly on to central
Florida but the weather would not allow it so we rented a car and drove
down. Florida is always nice but this year we froze. On the way back up the
coast from Beaufort County we stopped for fuel at Suffolk Executive (KSFQ)
in Suffolk, VA. It was clean, efficient, friendly, has a nice little
restaurant and very cheap 100LL. (Probably the cheapest fuel on the east
coast.) We pushed on further north, hoping that the weather might allow us
to at least get as far as southern New Jersey; it was not to be. After
dodging a couple of snow squalls going up the Delmarva, and with worsening
conditions further north, we decided to call it a day at Salisbury/Ocean
City/Wicomico, MD (KSBY), landing late Sunday afternoon in strong, gusty
winds. The folks at BayLand Aviation really went the extra mile for us.
They were friendly, professional and incredibly helpful. They got the
airplane out of the wind and into an unused hangar - called us a cab and
recommended a hotel. We returned the following morning, checked the weather
and decided to rent a car and drive home. I forgot a small backpack in the
flight planning room. When we arrived home late Monday evening there was a
message on the answering machine telling us that they had found the backpack
and would hold it for us. A friend/mentor flew me down the following Friday
in his own RV-7A and I flew the airplane home to Massachusetts. While in
the Bay Land office I left a Hershey bar on a table in the lounge; on long
flights I find they're a good source of energy. An employee came out to the
hangar while I wa pre-flighting to return the Hershey bar. Salisbury, MD is
a great town with good restaurante and hotels, a fine airport with all the
amenities and a truly outstanding FBO in Bay Land Aviation. You can bet
that on future flights south, we'll go out of our way to stop in.
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A - N307TB
119 hours since first flight on 8/4/09
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Harrell Staton wrote:
>
> No one on the list now probably knows me, so I thought I would introduce
> myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville, FL. I'm a
> reluctant Floridian - this is where I washed up on the beach when I retired
> from the US Navy - ETC(SS) (RET). The main reason for this post is due to
> the fact that, as of today, I am no longer merely a dreamer. I took
> possession of my RV7 tail kit today, so the adventure is officially begun.
> Still have some workshop arrangement issues to work out, but it has started!
>
>
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| Subject: | FS: Bose Headset |
| From: | "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> |
Listers -
I have accumulated too many headsets.
For Sale:
Bose Aviation Headset X.
Straight cord, GA plugs and battery pack in like-new condition.
Original box and carry case.
Asking $850, shipped CONUS
Neal George
Work - 850-884-7165
Cell - 850-218-4838
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| Subject: | looking for an RV7A |
| From: | "avdog" <alleecats(at)cox.net> |
I am looking for an RV 7A with slider canopy. if anyone knows of any for sale I
would appreciate an e-mail.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290092#290092
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| Subject: | ADI II Improvements? |
| From: | J Riffel <riffeljl(at)gmail.com> |
I'm curious if others who have the ADI II feel as I do?
I selected the ADI II because it gave me a LOT of function in one hole;
maximizing my RV7A panel space utilization. My GNS430/ADI II combo is
Absolutely Terrific! It does a Great Job of reducing my workload, flying
routes and the approach course. I knew it wouldn't fly descents when I
bought it - and thought it would be very simple to turn altitude hold off,
reduce power and go down the glide slope. And I was right, it's pretty easy.
But like any builder/engineer who typically wants to make things better,
I've always wondered why my ADI II doesn't fly down the glide slope sent by
my GNS430. The 430 is sending the info, the ADI is capable of
climbing/descending (via the ALT knob). So why does it ignore the 430 glide
slope signals? I've got to believe it'd be natural (terrific and simple?)
upgrade that would seem to have a pretty good market. I'd certainly upgrade
(for a reasonable $$), and can only assume others would too.
Not only that, but it'd be a great safety net for my non-flying wife. I've
tried to design a set of procedures for her if I became incapacitated during
flight. I can create a checklist that describes how to push buttons on the
autopilot & 430 - and she can do that. But flying the descent to the airport
is where it really gets dicey for a non-pilot ... a deadly stall is all too
probable. If the ADI II would fly an ILS / GPS glide slope, then all she has
to do is push a few buttons to get down to the runway. Then if she pulls the
power off and hits the brakes she'll probably get us both on the ground. But
whatever happened on the ground would certainly be better than an arrival
stall from x,000 feet !
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Sealing Around Engine Baffles... |
Dear Listers,
Regarding the requirement for sealing compound (silicon?) around the baffle-to-engine
areas, what is the recommendation here? Is sealant absolutely necessary?
Adding a compound is going to really ugly-up the installation. :-(
If it is an absolute requirement, what are some suggestions on material to use?
About all I could find on ACS was this:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/rtv.php
At least it comes in Black to match my engine... ;-)
Feedback would be most appreciated.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's Construction Blog
Moved to hanger, wings attached permanently....
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| Subject: | Re: RV7-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/28/10 |
| From: | J Riffel <riffeljl(at)gmail.com> |
Matt,
I, and others on the field w/ RVs, painted the baffles black and used (auto
store) black RTV. Looks pretty good and has lasted.
"Jerry"
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> From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: RV7-List: Sealing Around Engine Baffles...
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Regarding the requirement for sealing compound (silicon?) around the
> baffle-to-engine
> areas, what is the recommendation here? Is sealant absolutely necessary?
> Adding a compound is going to really ugly-up the installation. :-(
>
> If it is an absolute requirement, what are some suggestions on material to
> use?
>
> About all I could find on ACS was this:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/rtv.php
>
> At least it comes in Black to match my engine... ;-)
>
> Feedback would be most appreciated.
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's Construction Blog
> Moved to hanger, wings attached permanently....
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | FAA Bill of Sale Form... |
Listeres,
How does the FAA Bill of Sale form work? Do I fill it out and mail it to Van's
for signature, do they mail me one already filled out if I request it, or do
I just put "Van's" under who I got it from and call it done?
Also, under "value" what's the recommend amount? What the basic airframe kit from
Van's cost?
Man, I can't believe how many forms there are to register this thing...
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
Forms And Final Touches Before Inspection...
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| From: | JackBuschmann <buschfolk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA Bill of Sale Form... |
I don't know what the tax situation on A/C is in your state, but I'd leave the
"value" section BLANK!
Jack Buschmann
RV-7A, N397V
Phase I flying
-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Sent: Mar 30, 2010 2:01 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv7-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV7-List: FAA Bill of Sale Form...
>
>
>Listeres,
>
>How does the FAA Bill of Sale form work? Do I fill it out and mail it to Van's
for signature, do they mail me one already filled out if I request it, or do
I just put "Van's" under who I got it from and call it done?
>
>Also, under "value" what's the recommend amount? What the basic airframe kit
from Van's cost?
>
>Man, I can't believe how many forms there are to register this thing...
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com
>Forms And Final Touches Before Inspection...
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FAA Bill of Sale Form... |
| From: | Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> |
Matt:
Call Vans and follow their directions. It's been nearly a year and I don't
recall specifics but I do recall it was no big deal; I had the paperwork
back from Vans in no time. Vans deals with those things literally every day
of the week and folks there know exactly what needs to be done.
DAN BERGERON
RV-7A - N307TB (SPERO II)
127 HOURS SINCE FIRS FLIGHT ON 8/4/09
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:12 PM, JackBuschmann wrote:
>
> I don't know what the tax situation on A/C is in your state, but I'd leave
> the "value" section BLANK!
>
> Jack Buschmann
> RV-7A, N397V
> Phase I flying
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
> >Sent: Mar 30, 2010 2:01 PM
> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv7-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: RV7-List: FAA Bill of Sale Form...
> >
> >
> >
> >Listeres,
> >
> >How does the FAA Bill of Sale form work? Do I fill it out and mail it to
> Van's for signature, do they mail me one already filled out if I request it,
> or do I just put "Van's" under who I got it from and call it done?
> >
> >Also, under "value" what's the recommend amount? What the basic airframe
> kit from Van's cost?
> >
> >Man, I can't believe how many forms there are to register this thing...
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Matt Dralle
> >RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> >http://www.mattsrv8.com
> >Forms And Final Touches Before Inspection...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sean Blair <dogsbark(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA Bill of Sale Form... |
Matt,
I'm jealous of your "problem".=C2- Good luck.
Sean blair
COS
RV-7A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:01:03 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RV7-List: FAA Bill of Sale Form...
Listeres,
How does the FAA Bill of Sale form work? =C2-Do I fill it out and mail it
to Van's for signature, do they mail me one already filled out if I reques
t it, or do I just put "Van's" under who I got it from and call it done?
Also, under "value" what's the recommend amount? =C2-What the basic airfr
ame kit from Van's cost?
Man, I can't believe how many forms there are to register this thing...
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
Forms And Final Touches Before Inspection...
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| From: | "Fred Tanner" <fredfbceg(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | FAA Bill of Sale Form... |
My experience several years ago when buying and selling many aircraft, on
the FAA form we always put $1.00 OVC.
OVC is Other Valuable Consideration.
Fred RV-7A
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Bergeron
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 21:18
Subject: Re: RV7-List: FAA Bill of Sale Form...
Matt:
Call Vans and follow their directions. It's been nearly a year and I don't
recall specifics but I do recall it was no big deal; I had the paperwork
back from Vans in no time. Vans deals with those things literally every day
of the week and folks there know exactly what needs to be done.
DAN BERGERON
RV-7A - N307TB (SPERO II)
127 HOURS SINCE FIRS FLIGHT ON 8/4/09
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:12 PM, JackBuschmann
wrote:
I don't know what the tax situation on A/C is in your state, but I'd leave
the "value" section BLANK!
Jack Buschmann
RV-7A, N397V
Phase I flying
-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Sent: Mar 30, 2010 2:01 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv7-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV7-List: FAA Bill of Sale Form...
>
>
>Listeres,
>
>How does the FAA Bill of Sale form work? Do I fill it out and mail it to
Van's for signature, do they mail me one already filled out if I request it,
or do I just put "Van's" under who I got it from and call it done?
>
>Also, under "value" what's the recommend amount? What the basic airframe
kit from Van's cost?
>
>Man, I can't believe how many forms there are to register this thing...
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com
>Forms And Final Touches Before Inspection...
>
>
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| Subject: | FS: Bose Headset |
| From: | "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> |
Listers -
I have accumulated too many headsets.
For Sale:
Bose X with straight cord, GA plugs and battery pack in like-new condition.
Original box and carry case.
Asking $825, shipped CONUS
Neal George
Work - 850-884-7165
Cell - 850-218-4838
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Princeton 18-5B-5S Fuel Senders Won't Calibrate... |
Dear Listers,
I installed Princeton 18-5B-5S Fuel Senders in the left and right fuel tanks with
Proseal (see attached). Last week I installed the wings permanently and today
I torqued all of the fuel lines from the wings to the fuselage. I got 21
gallons in 5.25 gallon increments ready to calibrate the 5-set point Princeton
probes today. They both powered up fine and started flashing the left light
indicating the Empty set point. I pushed the button once per the calibration
instructions to go to the 1/4 level. Instead of getting the #2 led flashing,
I get the all three LEDs flashing sequence indicating that probe "Can't be calibrated"!!!
From the installation manual: CAL Error (three flashing LEDs) - The probe failed
to calibrate. Possible causes: water in the tank (NO), inner brass rod is
shorted to the outside aluminum tube (PROBABLY), Alcohol in the fuel (NO), trying
to calibrate full first instead of empty (NO), or the probe electronics have
failed (MAYBE)." Yeah, you read all that right.
The best part of this story is that I Prosealed these babies in, installed the
wings, and now discover that both probes are defective or what even. How can
this fricken be? Its too late in the game for this. Replacing these stupid probes
is going to be a major pain not to mention the fact that likelihood of leaks
are now going to be high. I just can't believe it. This is so frustrating.
Why didn't the manual advise to check this long before now? Like before
they were installed, during installation, and right after installation before
the Proseal cured?
Oh, did I mention BOTH are bad? How can this be... How disheartening. Please
tell me I'm just mis-reading the calibration instructions...?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say avoid these piles of garbage...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: (UPDATE) Princeton 18-5B-5S Fuel Senders Won't Calibrate... |
Dear Listers,
I was able to get fairly good access to the fuel sender from under the airplane
and so I removed the 5 screws with a right-angle electric screwdriver attachment
and gently pulled the sender about 1" out. As I did this, I noticed that
the tip of the probe seemed to touching the bottom of the fuel tank. Recall that
the probe comes prebent in a "U" shape for RV installations. I thought that
perhaps the tip of the probe touching the tank wasn't a good idea, so I gently
twisted the fuel sender so as to slightly bend the tip of the probe up just
a little bit. I pushed the sending back into the hole and put two screws in
to hold it in normal position. I applied power and pressed the button down to
get it into calibration mode. I got the one flashing LED indicating Empty set
point as before. I pressed the button once again to get the 1/4 set point,
and much to my surprise, I received to next sequence of two flashing lights!!
So I tried the same procedure on the left tank and got the same results! Yahoo!
When I pulled the sender from the tank, the Proseal 100% stuck to the metal tank
and released from the sender. This worked out really well as it formed a nice
gasket. I mixed up a batch of Proseal and applied it to the probe and then
used new screws and reassembled both sides. After the reinstallation, I tested
the power-on/first set point again and was pleased to see that it was still
working! Yahoo!
So, after the Proseal cures, I'll try the calibration with fuel again. Hopefully
it will go through all 5 steps and I can just move on with this!
I was all ready to replace the Princeton's with the standard S&W floats, but when
I got to looking I realized that I had powered the Princeton's with +12v, and
the floats require a 470 ohm to 4.8V. So, changing to the floats would require
rewiring behind the panel and that's a whole lot of work I'm just not up
for right now!! Hopefully the Princeton's will calibrate fully now and I'll be
back on track!
I'll post another update after my calibration escapade...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
At 05:37 PM 4/4/2010 Sunday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>I installed Princeton 18-5B-5S Fuel Senders in the left and right fuel tanks with
Proseal (see attached). Last week I installed the wings permanently and today
I torqued all of the fuel lines from the wings to the fuselage. I got 21
gallons in 5.25 gallon increments ready to calibrate the 5-set point Princeton
probes today. They both powered up fine and started flashing the left light
indicating the Empty set point. I pushed the button once per the calibration
instructions to go to the 1/4 level. Instead of getting the #2 led flashing,
I get the all three LEDs flashing sequence indicating that probe "Can't be calibrated"!!!
>
> From the installation manual: CAL Error (three flashing LEDs) - The probe failed
to calibrate. Possible causes: water in the tank (NO), inner brass rod is
shorted to the outside aluminum tube (PROBABLY), Alcohol in the fuel (NO), trying
to calibrate full first instead of empty (NO), or the probe electronics have
failed (MAYBE)." Yeah, you read all that right.
>
>The best part of this story is that I Prosealed these babies in, installed the
wings, and now discover that both probes are defective or what even. How can
this fricken be? Its too late in the game for this. Replacing these stupid
probes is going to be a major pain not to mention the fact that likelihood of
leaks are now going to be high. I just can't believe it. This is so frustrating.
Why didn't the manual advise to check this long before now? Like before
they were installed, during installation, and right after installation before
the Proseal cured?
>
>Oh, did I mention BOTH are bad? How can this be... How disheartening. Please
tell me I'm just mis-reading the calibration instructions...?
>
>I'm going to go out on a limb here and say avoid these piles of garbage...
>
>Matt Dralle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Meer" <robert(at)meerandmeer.com> |
| Subject: | Re: (UPDATE) Princeton 18-5B-5S Fuel Senders Won't Calibrate... |
I read Matt Dralle's experience with his fuel senders. I have standard
senders in my RV7A. My only comment is that no matter how much effort you
put into installing and calibrating the fuel senders, can you really rely on
them? I have heard many times that the only time such gauges are accurate
is when they say the tanks are empty. I guess what I am trying to say is
they are only at best a rough indication of fuel quanity and should not
relied upon to determine how much more time is available. My system also
has a fuel flow device which measures the actual fuel going to the engine.
It is very accurate, but again, how safe is it to rely upon. The best
method is to know the fuel on board, then use a very conservative estimate
of fuel usage per hour and simply calculate how much time this makes
available.
Robert Meer
9154 West Flamingo Way
Littleton, CO 80125
(303) 534-7178
(303) 825-9147 (fax)
robert(at)meerandmeer.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: RV7-List: Re: (UPDATE) Princeton 18-5B-5S Fuel Senders Won't
Calibrate...
Dear Listers,
I was able to get fairly good access to the fuel sender from under the
airplane and so I removed the 5 screws with a right-angle electric
screwdriver attachment and gently pulled the sender about 1" out. As I did
this, I noticed that the tip of the probe seemed to touching the bottom of
the fuel tank. Recall that the probe comes prebent in a "U" shape for RV
installations. I thought that perhaps the tip of the probe touching the
tank wasn't a good idea, so I gently twisted the fuel sender so as to
slightly bend the tip of the probe up just a little bit. I pushed the
sending back into the hole and put two screws in to hold it in normal
position. I applied power and pressed the button down to get it into
calibration mode. I got the one flashing LED indicating Empty set point as
before. I pressed the button once again to get the 1/4 set point, and much
to my surprise, I received to next sequence of two flashing lights!! So I
tried the same procedure on the left tank and!
got the same results! Yahoo!
When I pulled the sender from the tank, the Proseal 100% stuck to the metal
tank and released from the sender. This worked out really well as it formed
a nice gasket. I mixed up a batch of Proseal and applied it to the probe
and then used new screws and reassembled both sides. After the
reinstallation, I tested the power-on/first set point again and was pleased
to see that it was still working! Yahoo!
So, after the Proseal cures, I'll try the calibration with fuel again.
Hopefully it will go through all 5 steps and I can just move on with this!
I was all ready to replace the Princeton's with the standard S&W floats, but
when I got to looking I realized that I had powered the Princeton's with
+12v, and the floats require a 470 ohm to 4.8V. So, changing to the floats
would require rewiring behind the panel and that's a whole lot of work I'm
just not up for right now!! Hopefully the Princeton's will calibrate fully
now and I'll be back on track!
I'll post another update after my calibration escapade...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
At 05:37 PM 4/4/2010 Sunday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>I installed Princeton 18-5B-5S Fuel Senders in the left and right fuel
>tanks with Proseal (see attached). Last week I installed the wings
permanently and today I torqued all of the fuel lines from the wings to the
fuselage. I got 21 gallons in 5.25 gallon increments ready to calibrate the
5-set point Princeton probes today. They both powered up fine and started
flashing the left light indicating the Empty set point. I pushed the button
once per the calibration instructions to go to the 1/4 level. Instead of
getting the #2 led flashing, I get the all three LEDs flashing sequence
indicating that probe "Can't be calibrated"!!!
>
> From the installation manual: CAL Error (three flashing LEDs) - The
> probe failed to calibrate. Possible causes: water in the tank (NO), inner
brass rod is shorted to the outside aluminum tube (PROBABLY), Alcohol in the
fuel (NO), trying to calibrate full first instead of empty (NO), or the
probe electronics have failed (MAYBE)." Yeah, you read all that right.
>
>The best part of this story is that I Prosealed these babies in,
>installed the wings, and now discover that both probes are defective or
what even. How can this fricken be? Its too late in the game for this.
Replacing these stupid probes is going to be a major pain not to mention the
fact that likelihood of leaks are now going to be high. I just can't
believe it. This is so frustrating. Why didn't the manual advise to check
this long before now? Like before they were installed, during installation,
and right after installation before the Proseal cured?
>
>Oh, did I mention BOTH are bad? How can this be... How disheartening.
>Please tell me I'm just mis-reading the calibration instructions...?
>
>I'm going to go out on a limb here and say avoid these piles of
>garbage...
>
>Matt Dralle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... |
I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final registration cert
from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your Airworthiness cert, or is
the pink copy of the registration sufficient?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log
Final Bits - Inspection then Test Flight...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JackBuschmann <buschfolk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... |
Having done this last October, the pink copy is acceptable. It takes months for
you to get the "permanent" copy.
Jack Buschmann
RV-7A, N397V
FTG
-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Sent: Apr 6, 2010 8:37 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com, rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV7-List: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg...
>
>
>I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final registration cert
from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your Airworthiness cert, or is
the pink copy of the registration sufficient?
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log
>Final Bits - Inspection then Test Flight...
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... |
Thought I'd share a couple of pictures of the 'ol RV-8 project now that its moved
to the hangar... Since these were taken the wings have been put on.
Won't be long now!!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log
Final Bits And Pieces...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... |
At 05:37 PM 4/6/2010 Tuesday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
>I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final registration cert
from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your Airworthiness cert, or is
the pink copy of the registration sufficient?
>
>Matt Dralle
I found the following bit of information on the FAA web site regarding registrations
and the use of the Pink copy. Here's an excerpt from the link that follows:
"You can also check the Document Index to see if recently mailed registration documents
have arrived at the Aircraft Registration Branch. Arrival of registration
documents in the Registry enables confirmation that application for registration
has been made and temporary (pink-copy) operating authority is in effect.
Processing registration documents related to a change in aircraft ownership
averages 16 working days after their receipt."
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/registration_status/
To me, this sounds like as soon as the FAA has received the registration and entered
it into the system as indicated by an on line status search, you are allowed
to use the Pink copy until the real copy arrives.
I would then assume that Airworthiness could be applied for under the same conditions...?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Owens" <springcanyon(at)methow.com> |
| Subject: | Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... |
Hi Matt,
Congratulations on the move!
Why did you load it tail first?
Don Owens
Thought I'd share a couple of pictures of the 'ol RV-8 project now that its
moved to the hangar... Since these were taken the wings have been put on.
Won't be long now!!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log
Final Bits And Pieces...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Weight & Balance Spreadsheet |
Dear Listers,
I finally weighted the 'ol RV-8 last night. Gulp. As expected, pretty heavy.
I did forget to fill it up with oil before I weighed, however, so I'll have to
redo my weighing after I do that.
In the meantime, I created a spreadsheet to calculate the Weight & Balance. The
sheet calculates a number of common scenarios and allows for the user-entering
of various parameters such as pilot weight and plane weights as well as the
various arms. Its setup for an RV-8, but could very easily be modified for other
models of RVs. After I finished it, I thought other builders might like
to use it as well. It comes with no guarantees whatsoever.
You can click on the link below to download either the PDF or the Excel spreadsheet:
PDF Format:
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV8/WeightAndBalance/RV-8WeightAndBalance-Version1.0-MattDralle.pdf
Excel Format:
http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV8/WeightAndBalance/RV-8WeightAndBalance-Version1.0-MattDralle.xls
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Anybody need an "Extra Hand" in building their RV ?? |
Greetings:
I have time to help someone on their Project. I have completed building the RV-8A
empennage ( Acid etched, Alodined and Mil Epoxy Primed the interior skins
and assembled) and have run out of room to continue building. Have tools to help
someone on their Project. I am a retired electrical engineer and have designed
my own Electrical System for the RV. Also designed an "Pilot Aux Warning
System" that monitors Vans analog engine gauges and provides a Warning for -
"Low Fuel", "Hi Oil Temp", "Low Voltage", etc Spent many ours researching the
best way to do things on Matronics from other Builders. Hoped to use this info
on my Project, but ran out of room to build, thus hoping to share ideas and
help someone on their "Project".
Garey Wittich (CFI, MEI)
Santa Monica, CA
(310) 392-1682
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | First Engine Start - Lycoming IO-390 Purrrrrzzz! |
Dear Listers,
The first start on the new Lycoming IO-390 from AeroSport went great. No
major issues to speak of. The exhaust bolts on the left rear cylinder were
a little bit loose, the hall-effect RPM sensors in the mags didn't seem to
work, and there was a small fuel leak coming from the fittings on one of
the fuel pressure transducers. Other than that, WOW! What a powerful
engine! In the video, I only got to about 1/3 throttle and it felt like it
wanted to jump off the ground! Really strong sounding and the 4-into-4
Vetterman exhaust really gives the motor a throaty sound. All of the
controls (throttle, mixture, and prop) worked as expected. Cycling the
prop pitch worked great. Fuel flow was good and I tested feeds from both
the left and right tanks. The left and right mags also checked out good as
did the kill switch. AeroSport bench ran the engine for 11.5 hours at my
request. This should get me well past the critical breakin period. The
ease at which it started attests to that as well.
Wow! That's all I've got to say! I can hardly wait to point this baby down
the runway and "get 'er done"!
In addition to the usual still-picture fair I normally attached to my log
entries, I've now added YouTube videos as well! And - they're in full
1080p HDTV resolution too! When the YouTube player comes up, in the lower
right hand corner it will say "360p" by default. Select the highest
setting that works on your computer without stuttering (480p/720p/1080p).
The HDTV versions are amazing clear. I can hardly wait to get some
air-to-air shots.
The cameras are Sony HDR-CX550V and HDR-XR550V units and sport 64GB of flash
and a 240GB hard drive respectively. They record in full 1080 HD and Dolby
digital 5.1 surround sound. I have the HDR-CX550V mounted on a head rest
mount on the back of the pilot's seat and the HDR-XR550V is used for tripod
or hand held action capture. The head rest mount is a little too low to
see over my shoulder and I've got an extension ordered that should lift it
well over the obstruction. I edited the various clips down using Adobe
Premiere CS4, which is very nice, btw.
HDTV Videos (Select the 480p, 720p, or 1080p HD Quality Versions!)
First Engine Start
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-dIxL9aJ8
Testing Fuel Flow Sender
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5NWP9W8pko
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sean S. Blair" <dogsbark(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - Lycoming IO-390 Purrrrrzzz! |
Matt,
Congratulations!!!=C2- What a nice plane you've built.=C2- I bet it get
s of the ground in 175 feet of runway.=C2- That engine sounds powerful.
Good luck....you are soooo close!
Sean Blair
Colorado Springs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 10:32:13 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RV7-List: First Engine Start - Lycoming IO-390 Purrrrrzzz!
Dear Listers,
The first start on the new Lycoming IO-390 from AeroSport went great. =C2
-No major issues to speak of. =C2-The exhaust bolts on the left rear cy
linder were a little bit loose, the hall-effect RPM sensors in the mags did
n't seem to work, and there was a small fuel leak coming from the fittings
on one of the fuel pressure transducers. =C2-Other than that, WOW! =C2-
What a powerful engine! =C2-In the video, I only got to about 1/3 throttl
e and it felt like it wanted to jump off the ground! =C2-Really strong so
unding and the 4-into-4 Vetterman exhaust really gives the motor a throaty
sound. =C2-All of the controls (throttle, mixture, and prop) worked as ex
pected. =C2-Cycling the prop pitch worked great. =C2-Fuel flow was good
and I tested feeds from both the left and right tanks. =C2-The left and
right mags also checked out good as did the kill switch. =C2-AeroSport be
nch ran the engine for 11.5 hours at my request. =C2-This should get me w
ell past the critical breakin period. =C2-The ease at which it started at
tests to that as well.
Wow! =C2-That's all I've got to say! =C2-I can hardly wait to point thi
s baby down the runway and "get 'er done"!
In addition to the usual still-picture fair I normally attached to my log e
ntries, I've now added YouTube videos as well! =C2-And - they're in full
1080p HDTV resolution too! =C2-When the YouTube player comes up, in the l
ower right hand corner it will say "360p" by default. =C2-Select the high
est setting that works on your computer without stuttering (480p/720p/1080p
). =C2-The HDTV versions are amazing clear. =C2-I can hardly wait to ge
t some air-to-air shots. =C2-
The cameras are Sony HDR-CX550V and HDR-XR550V units and sport 64GB of flas
h and a 240GB hard drive respectively. =C2-They record in full 1080 HD an
d Dolby digital 5.1 surround sound. =C2-I have the HDR-CX550V mounted on
a head rest mount on the back of the pilot's seat and the HDR-XR550V is use
d for tripod or hand held action capture. =C2-The head rest mount is a li
ttle too low to see over my shoulder and I've got an extension ordered that
should lift it well over the obstruction. =C2-I edited the various clips
down using Adobe Premiere CS4, which is very nice, btw.
HDTV Videos (Select the 480p, 720p, or 1080p HD Quality Versions!)
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-First Engine Start
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.you
tube.com/watch?v=QK-dIxL9aJ8
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Testing Fuel Flow Sender
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.you
tube.com/watch?v=x5NWP9W8pko
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Meyette" <bmeyette(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | FS: RV-7A ~80% complete |
I've decided to sell my RV-7A project. It's just dragged on and on, and
I've lost interest in completing it. I have more interest in just flying my
Challenger II.
Engine is Subaru WRX STi 2.5 L supercharged. All the bugs are worked out
of the original Eggenfellner product. Most Eggenfellner-supplied
components have been replaced; SDS ECU, custom radiators, new wiring
harness, supercharger gearing. Engine runs great, and all it needs is
probably some more fine-tuning of the SDS ECU. John Moody in Australia has
been flying his awhile. Includes latest Gen3 rev 4 PSRU, installed.
Includes MT7 electric prop, installed.
Three EFIS systems installed - Blue Mountain "gold box" EFIS/One, GRT
Horizon, and Dynon D10. Blue Mountain AP installed. GRT EIS installed
Full Garmin stack trays installed & SL-30 included. Sandia TSOd encoder,
Tipup canopy completed but not final-installed.
Needs rear window installed, 1 panel each wing installed, top fuse panel
behind window and fwd of canopy installed (left out for wiring access). No
fiberglass work done.
Includes Advanced Flight Systems AoA, wig-wag HID lights, bulletproof
electrical system based on Bob Nuckolls' designs and Hyperion products, low
fuel warning, low coolant warning, fuel pressure warning, electric flaps,
electric trim, custom console, heater, Oregon Aero seats, Hooker harness,
Show Planes Flaps Positioning System, Infinity Aerospace grips, cabin
lighting, custom baggage compartment and other customizations (see my custom
page http://www.meyette.us/custom.htm ). Includes finishing kit and all
parts (except remaining Garmin components) to finish it. All gear mounted
and brakes installed. Van's front gear leg SB installed. Panel complete,
except Garmin wiring.
Empennage is done & final-installed. Flaps & ailerons all done. Wings
not installed.
And much more - this is a list off the top of my head of some of the main
components.
Entire project very extensively documented at
http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm No effort or expense spared in doing
everything RIGHT.
Only asking $55k for it - way less than cost and making the FWF essentially
FREE. Will also trade for an RV-12
23:32:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "allen murray" <allenmurray(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | FS: RV-7A ~80% complete |
I've been following your travails on this project and I'm really sorry you
had the misfortune of believing in Eggenfellner. I bet if you'd instead
gone with Lycoming power you might have hundreds of flight hours in it by
now.
Best of luck,
Allen
Cherry Hill NJ
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:10 PM
BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject: RV7-List: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete
I've decided to sell my RV-7A project. It's just dragged on and on, and
I've lost interest in completing it. I have more interest in just flying my
Challenger II.
Engine is Subaru WRX STi 2.5 L supercharged. All the bugs are worked out
of the original Eggenfellner product. Most Eggenfellner-supplied
components have been replaced; SDS ECU, custom radiators, new wiring
harness, supercharger gearing. Engine runs great, and all it needs is
probably some more fine-tuning of the SDS ECU. John Moody in Australia has
been flying his awhile. Includes latest Gen3 rev 4 PSRU, installed.
Includes MT7 electric prop, installed.
Three EFIS systems installed - Blue Mountain "gold box" EFIS/One, GRT
Horizon, and Dynon D10. Blue Mountain AP installed. GRT EIS installed
Full Garmin stack trays installed & SL-30 included. Sandia TSOd encoder,
Tipup canopy completed but not final-installed.
Needs rear window installed, 1 panel each wing installed, top fuse panel
behind window and fwd of canopy installed (left out for wiring access). No
fiberglass work done.
Includes Advanced Flight Systems AoA, wig-wag HID lights, bulletproof
electrical system based on Bob Nuckolls' designs and Hyperion products, low
fuel warning, low coolant warning, fuel pressure warning, electric flaps,
electric trim, custom console, heater, Oregon Aero seats, Hooker harness,
Show Planes Flaps Positioning System, Infinity Aerospace grips, cabin
lighting, custom baggage compartment and other customizations (see my custom
page http://www.meyette.us/custom.htm ). Includes finishing kit and all
parts (except remaining Garmin components) to finish it. All gear mounted
and brakes installed. Van's front gear leg SB installed. Panel complete,
except Garmin wiring.
Empennage is done & final-installed. Flaps & ailerons all done. Wings
not installed.
And much more - this is a list off the top of my head of some of the main
components.
Entire project very extensively documented at
http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm No effort or expense spared in doing
everything RIGHT.
Only asking $55k for it - way less than cost and making the FWF essentially
FREE. Will also trade for an RV-12
271.1.1/2802 - Release Date: 04/09/10 23:32:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Tasker <retasker(at)optonline.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete |
Or if you had been fortunate enough to go with the normally aspirated
2.5l Subaru which was also available at the time you went for the STi
version.
Sad to see this outcome, you are so close.
Dick Tasker
allen murray wrote:
>
> Ive been following your travails on this project and Im really sorry
> you had the misfortune of believing in Eggenfellner. I bet if youd
> instead gone with Lycoming power you might have hundreds of flight
> hours in it by now.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Allen
>
> Cherry Hill NJ
>
> *From:* owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Meyette
> *Sent:* Monday, April 12, 2010 4:10 PM
> *To:* rv7-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com;
> RV7A(at)yahoogroups.com; BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RV7-List: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete
>
> Ive decided to sell my RV-7A project. Its just dragged on and on,
> and Ive lost interest in completing it. I have more interest in just
> flying my Challenger II.
>
> Engine is Subaru WRX STi 2.5 L supercharged. All the bugs are worked
> out of the original Eggenfellner product. Most Eggenfellner-supplied
> components have been replaced; SDS ECU, custom radiators, new wiring
> harness, supercharger gearing. Engine runs great, and all it needs is
> probably some more fine-tuning of the SDS ECU. John Moody in Australia
> has been flying his awhile. Includes latest Gen3 rev 4 PSRU,
> installed. Includes MT7 electric prop, installed.
>
> Three EFIS systems installed Blue Mountain gold box EFIS/One, GRT
> Horizon, and Dynon D10. Blue Mountain AP installed. GRT EIS installed
>
> Full Garmin stack trays installed & SL-30 included. Sandia TSOd encoder,
>
> Tipup canopy completed but not final-installed.
>
> Needs rear window installed, 1 panel each wing installed, top fuse
> panel behind window and fwd of canopy installed (left out for wiring
> access). No fiberglass work done.
>
> Includes Advanced Flight Systems AoA, wig-wag HID lights, bulletproof
> electrical system based on Bob Nuckolls designs and Hyperion
> products, low fuel warning, low coolant warning, fuel pressure
> warning, electric flaps, electric trim, custom console, heater, Oregon
> Aero seats, Hooker harness, Show Planes Flaps Positioning System,
> Infinity Aerospace grips, cabin lighting, custom baggage compartment
> and other customizations (see my custom page
> http://www.meyette.us/custom.htm ). Includes finishing kit and all
> parts (except remaining Garmin components) to finish it. All gear
> mounted and brakes installed. Vans front gear leg SB installed. Panel
> complete, except Garmin wiring.
>
> Empennage is done & final-installed. Flaps & ailerons all done. Wings
> not installed.
>
> And much more this is a list off the top of my head of some of the
> main components.
>
> Entire project very extensively documented at
> http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm No effort or expense spared in
> doing everything RIGHT.
>
> Only asking $55k for it way less than cost and making the FWF
> essentially FREE. Will also trade for an RV-12
>
> 271.1.1/2802 - Release Date: 04/09/10 23:32:00
>
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| From: | "allen murray" <allenmurray(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | FS: RV-7A ~80% complete |
Hi Richard,
Actually, I'm a dweeb that flies a store- bought airplane, a Twin Comanche
at VAY; N9NY, in community hangar 1. I've always been interested in the
homebuilt category but could never get started on a project. You may know
it's a hotbed of activity here so if you're interested, I'd be glad to
introduce you around to the folks building here.
My cell is 856 979 4746.
I'm flying out early tomorrow (before they shut down the airport for repairs
to the runway) to go to the show at SNF. Will return late Saturday.
Fly safe,
Allen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Tasker
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete
Or if you had been fortunate enough to go with the normally aspirated
2.5l Subaru which was also available at the time you went for the STi
version.
Sad to see this outcome, you are so close.
Dick Tasker
allen murray wrote:
>
> I've been following your travails on this project and I'm really sorry
> you had the misfortune of believing in Eggenfellner. I bet if you'd
> instead gone with Lycoming power you might have hundreds of flight
> hours in it by now.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Allen
>
> Cherry Hill NJ
>
> *From:* owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Meyette
> *Sent:* Monday, April 12, 2010 4:10 PM
> *To:* rv7-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com;
> RV7A(at)yahoogroups.com; BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RV7-List: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete
>
> I've decided to sell my RV-7A project. It's just dragged on and on,
> and I've lost interest in completing it. I have more interest in just
> flying my Challenger II.
>
> Engine is Subaru WRX STi 2.5 L supercharged. All the bugs are worked
> out of the original Eggenfellner product. Most Eggenfellner-supplied
> components have been replaced; SDS ECU, custom radiators, new wiring
> harness, supercharger gearing. Engine runs great, and all it needs is
> probably some more fine-tuning of the SDS ECU. John Moody in Australia
> has been flying his awhile. Includes latest Gen3 rev 4 PSRU,
> installed. Includes MT7 electric prop, installed.
>
> Three EFIS systems installed - Blue Mountain "gold box" EFIS/One, GRT
> Horizon, and Dynon D10. Blue Mountain AP installed. GRT EIS installed
>
> Full Garmin stack trays installed & SL-30 included. Sandia TSOd encoder,
>
> Tipup canopy completed but not final-installed.
>
> Needs rear window installed, 1 panel each wing installed, top fuse
> panel behind window and fwd of canopy installed (left out for wiring
> access). No fiberglass work done.
>
> Includes Advanced Flight Systems AoA, wig-wag HID lights, bulletproof
> electrical system based on Bob Nuckolls' designs and Hyperion
> products, low fuel warning, low coolant warning, fuel pressure
> warning, electric flaps, electric trim, custom console, heater, Oregon
> Aero seats, Hooker harness, Show Planes Flaps Positioning System,
> Infinity Aerospace grips, cabin lighting, custom baggage compartment
> and other customizations (see my custom page
> http://www.meyette.us/custom.htm ). Includes finishing kit and all
> parts (except remaining Garmin components) to finish it. All gear
> mounted and brakes installed. Van's front gear leg SB installed. Panel
> complete, except Garmin wiring.
>
> Empennage is done & final-installed. Flaps & ailerons all done. Wings
> not installed.
>
> And much more - this is a list off the top of my head of some of the
> main components.
>
> Entire project very extensively documented at
> http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm No effort or expense spared in
> doing everything RIGHT.
>
> Only asking $55k for it - way less than cost and making the FWF
> essentially FREE. Will also trade for an RV-12
>
> 271.1.1/2802 - Release Date: 04/09/10 23:32:00
>
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| From: | "William Gill" <wgill10(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete |
Brian,
You are so close and the workmanship looks excellent. I have watched
your website for several years...sure wish I could read your first
flight report.
Best wishes,
Bill
RV-7 N151WP
Lee's Summit, MO
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Meyette
To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com ; rv-list(at)matronics.com ;
RV7A(at)yahoogroups.com ; BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:10 PM
Subject: RV7-List: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete
I've decided to sell my RV-7A project. It's just dragged on and on,
and I've lost interest in completing it. I have more interest in just
flying my Challenger II.
Engine is Subaru WRX STi 2.5 L supercharged. All the bugs are worked
out of the original Eggenfellner product. Most Eggenfellner-supplied
components have been replaced; SDS ECU, custom radiators, new wiring
harness, supercharger gearing. Engine runs great, and all it needs is
probably some more fine-tuning of the SDS ECU. John Moody in Australia
has been flying his awhile. Includes latest Gen3 rev 4 PSRU,
installed. Includes MT7 electric prop, installed.
Three EFIS systems installed - Blue Mountain "gold box" EFIS/One, GRT
Horizon, and Dynon D10. Blue Mountain AP installed. GRT EIS
installed
Full Garmin stack trays installed & SL-30 included. Sandia TSOd
encoder,
Tipup canopy completed but not final-installed.
Needs rear window installed, 1 panel each wing installed, top fuse
panel behind window and fwd of canopy installed (left out for wiring
access). No fiberglass work done.
Includes Advanced Flight Systems AoA, wig-wag HID lights, bulletproof
electrical system based on Bob Nuckolls' designs and Hyperion products,
low fuel warning, low coolant warning, fuel pressure warning, electric
flaps, electric trim, custom console, heater, Oregon Aero seats, Hooker
harness, Show Planes Flaps Positioning System, Infinity Aerospace grips,
cabin lighting, custom baggage compartment and other customizations (see
my custom page http://www.meyette.us/custom.htm ). Includes
finishing kit and all parts (except remaining Garmin components) to
finish it. All gear mounted and brakes installed. Van's front gear
leg SB installed. Panel complete, except Garmin wiring.
Empennage is done & final-installed. Flaps & ailerons all done.
Wings not installed.
And much more - this is a list off the top of my head of some of the
main components.
Entire project very extensively documented at
http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm No effort or expense spared in
doing everything RIGHT.
Only asking $55k for it - way less than cost and making the FWF
essentially FREE. Will also trade for an RV-12
271.1.1/2802 - Release Date: 04/09/10 23:32:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael" <captmikemm(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | FS: RV-7A ~80% complete |
Brian,
I am interested in your RV, I can only imagine how hard it is to give up a
plane you have put so much into. I have an Avid Magnum I built and love, but
would like to add something faster and have been looking at RV7s.
Is much involved in converting it to conventional gear?
Michael.
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:10 PM
BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject: RV7-List: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete
I've decided to sell my RV-7A project. It's just dragged on and on, and
I've lost interest in completing it. I have more interest in just flying my
Challenger II.
Engine is Subaru WRX STi 2.5 L supercharged. All the bugs are worked out
of the original Eggenfellner product. Most Eggenfellner-supplied
components have been replaced; SDS ECU, custom radiators, new wiring
harness, supercharger gearing. Engine runs great, and all it needs is
probably some more fine-tuning of the SDS ECU. John Moody in Australia has
been flying his awhile. Includes latest Gen3 rev 4 PSRU, installed.
Includes MT7 electric prop, installed.
Three EFIS systems installed - Blue Mountain "gold box" EFIS/One, GRT
Horizon, and Dynon D10. Blue Mountain AP installed. GRT EIS installed
Full Garmin stack trays installed & SL-30 included. Sandia TSOd encoder,
Tipup canopy completed but not final-installed.
Needs rear window installed, 1 panel each wing installed, top fuse panel
behind window and fwd of canopy installed (left out for wiring access). No
fiberglass work done.
Includes Advanced Flight Systems AoA, wig-wag HID lights, bulletproof
electrical system based on Bob Nuckolls' designs and Hyperion products, low
fuel warning, low coolant warning, fuel pressure warning, electric flaps,
electric trim, custom console, heater, Oregon Aero seats, Hooker harness,
Show Planes Flaps Positioning System, Infinity Aerospace grips, cabin
lighting, custom baggage compartment and other customizations (see my custom
page http://www.meyette.us/custom.htm ). Includes finishing kit and all
parts (except remaining Garmin components) to finish it. All gear mounted
and brakes installed. Van's front gear leg SB installed. Panel complete,
except Garmin wiring.
Empennage is done & final-installed. Flaps & ailerons all done. Wings
not installed.
And much more - this is a list off the top of my head of some of the main
components.
Entire project very extensively documented at
http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm No effort or expense spared in doing
everything RIGHT.
Only asking $55k for it - way less than cost and making the FWF essentially
FREE. Will also trade for an RV-12
271.1.1/2802 - Release Date: 04/09/10 23:32:00
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
02:32:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Meyette" <bmeyette(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | FS: RV-7A ~80% complete |
Thanks for all the kind words, guys. Well, people aren't beating down the
door to buy it, so if no buyer, I will just have to rededicate myself to
finishing it. I love flying my Challenger, but I'm sure the RV would be
even more fun, especially for longer trips. Like a long bicycle trip, I
need to just focus on each little bit that needs doing, and not concern
myself with the destination. Eventually, I'll be at that destination.
_____
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Gill
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete
Brian,
You are so close and the workmanship looks excellent. I have watched your
website for several years...sure wish I could read your first flight report.
Best wishes,
Bill
RV-7 N151WP
Lee's Summit, MO
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Meyette <mailto:bmeyette(at)gmail.com>
BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:10 PM
Subject: RV7-List: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete
I've decided to sell my RV-7A project. It's just dragged on and on, and
I've lost interest in completing it. I have more interest in just flying my
Challenger II.
Engine is Subaru WRX STi 2.5 L supercharged. All the bugs are worked out
of the original Eggenfellner product. Most Eggenfellner-supplied
components have been replaced; SDS ECU, custom radiators, new wiring
harness, supercharger gearing. Engine runs great, and all it needs is
probably some more fine-tuning of the SDS ECU. John Moody in Australia has
been flying his awhile. Includes latest Gen3 rev 4 PSRU, installed.
Includes MT7 electric prop, installed.
Three EFIS systems installed - Blue Mountain "gold box" EFIS/One, GRT
Horizon, and Dynon D10. Blue Mountain AP installed. GRT EIS installed
Full Garmin stack trays installed & SL-30 included. Sandia TSOd encoder,
Tipup canopy completed but not final-installed.
Needs rear window installed, 1 panel each wing installed, top fuse panel
behind window and fwd of canopy installed (left out for wiring access). No
fiberglass work done.
Includes Advanced Flight Systems AoA, wig-wag HID lights, bulletproof
electrical system based on Bob Nuckolls' designs and Hyperion products, low
fuel warning, low coolant warning, fuel pressure warning, electric flaps,
electric trim, custom console, heater, Oregon Aero seats, Hooker harness,
Show Planes Flaps Positioning System, Infinity Aerospace grips, cabin
lighting, custom baggage compartment and other customizations (see my custom
page http://www.meyette.us/custom.htm ). Includes finishing kit and all
parts (except remaining Garmin components) to finish it. All gear mounted
and brakes installed. Van's front gear leg SB installed. Panel complete,
except Garmin wiring.
Empennage is done & final-installed. Flaps & ailerons all done. Wings
not installed.
And much more - this is a list off the top of my head of some of the main
components.
Entire project very extensively documented at
http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm No effort or expense spared in doing
everything RIGHT.
Only asking $55k for it - way less than cost and making the FWF essentially
FREE. Will also trade for an RV-12
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 271.1.1/2802 - Release Date: 04/09/10 23:32:00
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?RV7-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
02:32:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Meyette" <bmeyette(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | FS: RV-7A ~80% complete |
Yeah, part of the problem is that I put so much care and effort into every
little part, and I veered off into some custom stuff. But mainly the engine
development kinda wore me out.
I know Van's has converted one (and back again, IIRC). I believe they made
it sound like it wasn't a big deal for them. It sure isn't something I'd
want to do, but then I am in a state of being just TIRED of working on it,
anyway. Perhaps you could ask Van's or ask on this list or the Matronics
RV list or the VAF site and someone more knowledgeable than me about such an
undertaking could give you a more accurate estimate of how much work would
be involved. From what I hear from the guys who've gotten one of these
STi-powered RVs flying, the STi engine really kicks some butt now that we've
gotten the bugs worked out. With the supercharger on, the brakes won't
hold it back and full boost isn't even needed for takeoff. From the
feedback I've heard from the guys flying them, you just have to be careful
you don't accidentally exceed Vne at altitude.
Brian
_____
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete
Brian,
I am interested in your RV, I can only imagine how hard it is to give up a
plane you have put so much into. I have an Avid Magnum I built and love, but
would like to add something faster and have been looking at RV7s.
Is much involved in converting it to conventional gear?
Michael.
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:10 PM
BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject: RV7-List: FS: RV-7A ~80% complete
I've decided to sell my RV-7A project. It's just dragged on and on, and
I've lost interest in completing it. I have more interest in just flying my
Challenger II.
Engine is Subaru WRX STi 2.5 L supercharged. All the bugs are worked out
of the original Eggenfellner product. Most Eggenfellner-supplied
components have been replaced; SDS ECU, custom radiators, new wiring
harness, supercharger gearing. Engine runs great, and all it needs is
probably some more fine-tuning of the SDS ECU. John Moody in Australia has
been flying his awhile. Includes latest Gen3 rev 4 PSRU, installed.
Includes MT7 electric prop, installed.
Three EFIS systems installed - Blue Mountain "gold box" EFIS/One, GRT
Horizon, and Dynon D10. Blue Mountain AP installed. GRT EIS installed
Full Garmin stack trays installed & SL-30 included. Sandia TSOd encoder,
Tipup canopy completed but not final-installed.
Needs rear window installed, 1 panel each wing installed, top fuse panel
behind window and fwd of canopy installed (left out for wiring access). No
fiberglass work done.
Includes Advanced Flight Systems AoA, wig-wag HID lights, bulletproof
electrical system based on Bob Nuckolls' designs and Hyperion products, low
fuel warning, low coolant warning, fuel pressure warning, electric flaps,
electric trim, custom console, heater, Oregon Aero seats, Hooker harness,
Show Planes Flaps Positioning System, Infinity Aerospace grips, cabin
lighting, custom baggage compartment and other customizations (see my custom
page http://www.meyette.us/custom.htm ). Includes finishing kit and all
parts (except remaining Garmin components) to finish it. All gear mounted
and brakes installed. Van's front gear leg SB installed. Panel complete,
except Garmin wiring.
Empennage is done & final-installed. Flaps & ailerons all done. Wings
not installed.
And much more - this is a list off the top of my head of some of the main
components.
Entire project very extensively documented at
http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm No effort or expense spared in doing
everything RIGHT.
Only asking $55k for it - way less than cost and making the FWF essentially
FREE. Will also trade for an RV-12
271.1.1/2802 - Release Date: 04/09/10 23:32:00
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
02:32:00
02:31:00
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... |
Dear Listers,
Looking at the requirements for IFR certification of the RV-8, it looks like the
only thing I don't have is an "alternate static source". This seems like it
would be as simple as adding a "T" valve in the 1/4 neoprem static air tube that
goes along under the left hand canopy rail.
Does anyone have any suggestions on something I could just cut the tube and stick
in line with a little thumb screw to switch between the fuselage or cabin source?
I'm assuming this will meet the requirement?
Thanks!
PS - Attached are a couple of pictures from Taxi-testing and Magnetometer calibration
this weekend. Cool?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Instrumentation Checkout - HDTV Video |
Dear Listers,
Last week I ran the IO-390 on the RV-8 for about 12 minutes and went though and
checked all of the various systems and sensors. I talked though the each of
the things as I was checking them in an HD video I edited of the session.
Thought some might find it interesting...
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=-byMWhyTwjA
.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... |
At 03:53 PM 4/19/2010 Monday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Linn Walters
>
>Matt, cut the tubing, insert a 'T' with a short stub of tubing. Put a plug in
the tube of a type that you can pull out easily if needed.
>Simple, light, and inexpensive.
>Linn
>Matt Dralle wrote:
>>Dear Listers,
>>
>>Looking at the requirements for IFR certification of the RV-8, it looks like
the only thing I don't have is an "alternate static source". This seems like
it would be as simple as adding a "T" valve in the 1/4 neoprem static air tube
that goes along under the left hand canopy rail.
>>
>>Does anyone have any suggestions on something I could just cut the tube and stick
in line with a little thumb screw to switch between the fuselage or cabin
source?
>>
>>I'm assuming this will meet the requirement?
>>
>>Thanks!
What a great idea, Linn! Thanks. Here's what I did tonight including a couple
of pictures...
I added a small "T" Nylon fitting in the 1/4" tube for static air just in front
of the instrument panel under the left cockpit rail. I cut a short piece of
1/4" tubing and filled it with black RTV and then put a piece of heat shrink tubing
over it to form a handle. The whole thing fits nicely under the cockpit
rail and from the pilot's position is just barely visible, yet can be accessed
easy. In the event that icing conditions occur, the fitting can be unscrewed
and the plug removed for cabin venting.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR? |
Dear Listers,
I'm working with the local FSDO this week and had my airframe inspection on Monday
will get my sign-off this Friday if all goes well. Looking over the requirements
for IFR, it appears that I've got everything I need as far as equipment
is concerned. I have a Garmin SL-30 for Com/Nav and a Garmin GTX-327 for Mode
C transponder. All of the other equipment and functionality is provided by
the GRT Horizon HX sytems including the encoder, attitude, airspeed, altitude,
compass, etc, etc. I do not have any steam gauges or other flight instruments
other than what is provided by GRT through an HX installation.
My question is can my RV-8 be approved for IFR flight with this compliment of GRT
HX specific instrumentation? Or, would I need to have a TSO'd encoder and/or
other TSO'd pieces such as rate-of-turn, slip, sensitive altimeter, artificial
horizon, direction gyro, etc?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Brown <acrojim7534(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR? |
Matt, as long as you have the minimun equipment installed that is required
for IFR flight. then its my understanding that you can fly IFR if you have
the IFR rating. Your FSDO can clear up the matter when you see him Friday..
.The FAA equiptment list will state what is minimun equiptment for IFR flig
ht.- =0A=0AJim Brown=0ARV7A=0AN112B=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________
_________=0AFrom: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>=0ATo: rv-list@matronic
s.com; rv10-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv7-list(at)matronics.
com=0ASent: Tue, April 20, 2010 9:48:01 PM=0ASubject: RV7-List: TSO'd Instr
e(at)matronics.com>=0A=0A=0ADear Listers,=0A=0AI'm working with the local FSDO
this week and had my airframe inspection on Monday will get my sign-off th
is Friday if all goes well.- Looking over the requirements for IFR, it ap
pears that I've got everything I need as far as equipment is concerned.-
I have a Garmin SL-30 for Com/Nav and a Garmin GTX-327 for Mode C transpond
er.- All of the other equipment and functionality is provided by the GRT
Horizon HX sytems including the encoder, attitude, airspeed, altitude, comp
ass, etc, etc.- I do not have any steam gauges or other flight instrument
s other than what is provided by GRT through an HX installation.=0A=0AMy qu
estion is can my RV-8 be approved for IFR flight with this compliment of GR
T HX specific instrumentation?- Or, would I need to have a TSO'd encoder
and/or other TSO'd pieces such as rate-of-turn, slip, sensitive altimeter,
artificial horizon, direction gyro, etc?=0A=0A=0AMatt Dralle=0ARV-8 #82880
N998RV=0Ahttp://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log=0Ahttp://ww
w.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel=0AStatus: Final B
=========================0A
=0A=0A
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Instrumentation Checkout Video (HDTV)... |
Dear Listers,
I wanted to check out the operation of all the various systems on the RV-8 now
that the engine is running. For example, comparing the fuel flow and fuel pressure
readings between the FuelChec DX and the GRT EFIS. I also wanted to run
the engine up a little and make sure the CHT and EGT's were coming into a normal
range and the all of the probes were working. Also, I wanted to see the oil
pressure and temps in normal ranges after a bit of running. Finally, I wanted
to check the engine RPM with the new TruTach II hand held optic tachometer.
On April 13 2010 I hopped in the pilot's seat and fired up the IO-390 and went
though some checks. I videoed the procedure and used the intercom to call out
the various readings I was observing. If you select the 1080p version of the
YouTube video, you can actually read most of the values right off the GRT EFIS
displays! Towards the end of the video some music starts to play. This is
coming from the Kenwood via the MP3 files on the 64GB thumb drive plugged into
the panel via the PS3000 Intercom and is exactly what I'm hearing in the headphones.
YouTube Video (Select higher resolutions 480p/760p/1080p for clearer picture):
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=-byMWhyTwjA
PS - Video was edited with Adobe Premiere CS4 on a Windows Vista 64 system.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Final Bits / Inspection / Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 - Adding Cowling Front Rubber Seals... |
HOBBS Meter: 2448 Hours
In the front of the lower cowling around the nostrils, there are two rubber gaskets
that are riveted to the fiberglass and form a seal between the cowling and
the lower engine baffling. Since it was time to taxi test with cowling on,
it was time to finally rivet them on. No big deal; just one more thing to be
done before the test flight... :-)
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Final Bits / Inspection / Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 - Adding Cowling Front Rubber Seals... |
Whoops! I didn't mean to send this to the List! Nevermind, sorry... It was suppose
to go to my building log email address.
Matt
At 09:39 PM 4/21/2010 Wednesday, you wrote:
>HOBBS Meter: 2448 Hours
>
>In the front of the lower cowling around the nostrils, there are two rubber gaskets
that are riveted to the fiberglass and form a seal between the cowling and
the lower engine baffling. Since it was time to taxi test with cowling on,
it was time to finally rivet them on. No big deal; just one more thing to be
done before the test flight... :-)
>
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
>http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
>Status: Final Bits / Inspection / Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | N998RV Signed Off! |
HOBBS Meter: 2452 Construction Hours
Its official! RV-8 N998RV was officially signed off by the FAA this afternoon,
Certificate and Repairman Certificate and the obligatory entry was made in the
aircraft's logbook. A special Phase 1 test-flight area was agreed upon and extends
from Livermore to Stockton to Merced to Lost Banos and back to Livermore.
Next week I go up to Oregon to get my Transition Training from Mike Seager ( http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/trainfly.htm ) and after that, its time to test fly!
YAHOO!!! I can't believe its signed off and the test flight is this close! How
exciting!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Final Bits / Inspection / Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Carlos Hernandez <carlosh(at)structuralaz.com> |
| Subject: | Re: N998RV Signed Off! |
Outstanding! If it flies as well as it was constructed then you'll have
one hell of a plane. Congrats!
Carlos in Arizona
Matt Dralle wrote:
> HOBBS Meter: 2452 Construction Hours
>
> Its official! RV-8 N998RV was officially signed off by the FAA this afternoon,
Certificate and Repairman Certificate and the obligatory entry was made in the
aircraft's logbook. A special Phase 1 test-flight area was agreed upon and
extends from Livermore to Stockton to Merced to Lost Banos and back to Livermore.
>
> Next week I go up to Oregon to get my Transition Training from Mike Seager ( http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/trainfly.htm ) and after that, its time to test fly!
>
> YAHOO!!! I can't believe its signed off and the test flight is this close!
How exciting!
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: Final Bits / Inspection / Test Flight
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| From: | Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | N998RV Signed Off! |
Matt=2C
Congratulations! It's great to see your pictures and read your progress. Go
od luck on the check out and test flights.
Take Care=2CMax
> Date: Thu=2C 22 Apr 2010 13:57:07 -0700
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com=3B rv8-list(at)matronics.com=3B rv7-list@matronics
.com=3B rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> From: dralle(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: N998RV Signed Off!
>
>
> HOBBS Meter: 2452 Construction Hours
>
> Its official! RV-8 N998RV was officially signed off by the FAA this afte
worthiness Certificate and Repairman Certificate and the obligatory entry w
as made in the aircraft's logbook. A special Phase 1 test-flight area was
agreed upon and extends from Livermore to Stockton to Merced to Lost Banos
and back to Livermore.
>
> Next week I go up to Oregon to get my Transition Training from Mike Seage
r ( http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/trainfly.htm ) and after that=2C its
time to test fly!
>
> YAHOO!!! I can't believe its signed off and the test flight is this clos
e! How exciting!
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: Final Bits / Inspection / Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Gill" <wgill10(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: N998RV Signed Off! |
Congratulations Matt!!!
That 390 RV could probably fly the entire perimeter of your test area in
less than 30 minutes...why so small for such a fast airplane?? Just
curious...
Bill
RV-7 N151WP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
;
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:57 PM
Subject: RV7-List: N998RV Signed Off!
>
> HOBBS Meter: 2452 Construction Hours
>
> Its official! RV-8 N998RV was officially signed off by the FAA this
> Airworthiness Certificate and Repairman Certificate and the obligatory
> entry was made in the aircraft's logbook. A special Phase 1 test-flight
> area was agreed upon and extends from Livermore to Stockton to Merced to
> Lost Banos and back to Livermore.
>
> Next week I go up to Oregon to get my Transition Training from Mike Seager
> ( http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/trainfly.htm ) and after that, its
> time to test fly!
>
> YAHOO!!! I can't believe its signed off and the test flight is this
> close! How exciting!
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: Final Bits / Inspection / Test Flight
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: N998RV Signed Off! |
Well, technically its suppose to be something like a 25-50nm radius from the home
airport. Since West of LVK is densely populated (Oakland, Hayward, etc), around
here the draw a box going South East of LVK. Not sure why its so small,
but it is Phase 1 testing so I wouldn't want to venture too far from home anyway.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Signed Off / Phase 1 Test Flying
At 07:53 PM 4/22/2010 Thursday, you wrote:
>
>Congratulations Matt!!!
>
>That 390 RV could probably fly the entire perimeter of your test area in less
than 30 minutes...why so small for such a fast airplane?? Just curious...
>
>Bill
>RV-7 N151WP
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>To: ; ; ;
>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:57 PM
>Subject: RV7-List: N998RV Signed Off!
>
>
>>
>>HOBBS Meter: 2452 Construction Hours
>>
>>Its official! RV-8 N998RV was officially signed off by the FAA this afternoon,
Certificate and Repairman Certificate and the obligatory entry was made in the
aircraft's logbook. A special Phase 1 test-flight area was agreed upon and
extends from Livermore to Stockton to Merced to Lost Banos and back to Livermore.
>>
>>Next week I go up to Oregon to get my Transition Training from Mike Seager ( http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/trainfly.htm ) and after that, its time to test fly!
>>
>>YAHOO!!! I can't believe its signed off and the test flight is this close!
How exciting!
>>
>>
>>Matt Dralle
>>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>>http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
>>http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
>>Status: Final Bits / Inspection / Test Flight
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 - First Taxi Tests! |
Here are three videos of the very first taxi test for RV-8 N998RV! Brakes worked
good and ground handling was excellent. This is a short trip down to the West
end of the field where the compass rose is. The GRT electronic Magnetometers
needed to be calibrated.
First Taxi Test - Run 1
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=11578GQkg3Y
There were some issues getting the #2 Magnetometer to calibrate on the first run
down to the compass rose. We taxied back to the hangar (no video since Craig
was shooting stills with the Nikon on this trip). After taking the tail fairing
off, pulling out both Magnetometers, and pulling out all three EFISs, I realized
that I had the system wired such that calibration of the #1 Magnetometer
has to be done from the #1 EFIS, and calibration of the #2 Magnetometer has to
be done from the #2 EFIS. Its an issue with the serial output lines from the
EFIS and the fact that you can't calibrate two Magnetometers at once.
I gave it a little extra throttle and got the tail up a couple of times on this
run! Sweet!
First Taxi Test - Run 2
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=N1LfnHiN4tM
Both Magnetometers were calibrated and it was getting late and cold. We headed
back to the hangar to call it a day. Be sure to wait for the end of the video
as there is a shot with the Sunset in the background that is pretty awesome.
Second Taxi Test - Run 3
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=QfC2R5ChuS4
What a great day!! Thanks to Craig for the help and camera work!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Final Bits / Inspection / Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Third Taxi Test Video (Brakes Over Heat!)... |
On the third taxi test, I headed out to the main runway at Livermore, 25R and ask
the tower for a high-speed taxi test with no take off. It was approved as
requested and went great. There was about a 15-20 knot head wind at about 270
which made it even more fun. The RV-8 handled great and it was definitely ready
to take off. I only got to about 1/3 power and it would have taken off with
about 1/2 throttle probably. Oh my... What will FULL throttle be like!? Now
that's exciting! Be sure to watch the Part 2 of this video because as the
music gets more intense, so does the testing!
Third Taxi Test - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=pnz31m6aVEQ
After the taxi back on the regular taxi way, the tower offered to let me run back
the other direction on the runway! I wasn't sure that's really what he was
suggesting and I had to verify that's what he really meant. It was pretty cool
and saved a lot of time. With the 15-20 knot tailwind, though, I probably would
have been better off just using the taxi way. Now you'll notice the music
is getting a bit more intense. Be sure to watch Part 3 because that's where this
taxi test REALLY get's interesting...
Third Taxi Test - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=5zheOkSHfX4
As you'll see in that part of the third taxi test, I lost the brakes. As I'm taxing
off the runway I noticed that there was smoke coming out of both the left
and right sides. At the time, I really wasn't sure what caused the brakes to
get so hot. But, after watching the video a couple of time and recalling back
to what I was doing, I'm positive that I was dragging the brakes on those down-wind
trips. I even remember thinking at one point, "oh, I'm riding the brakes".
Doesn't seem like they should get so hot as to start smoking, but perhaps
it was a combination of being new, over worked, and a bit of brake fluid leaking
out and hitting the discs. Anyway, my comment at the end of the video is
kind of funny. It wasn't at the time, mind you... :-)
Third Taxi Test - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=57W-O8905cg
After I hosed the wheel pants and brakes down and got things cooled off and no
longer smoking, I had to push the plane back to the hangar from the wash rack,
which isn't too far, but still kind of a long ways at the end of a day. As I
was pushing it back I noticed that there was brake fluid leaking out of the right
brake. I pushed the plane about 1/2 the way into the hangar and took the
wheel pants off. Once I got the leaks stopped, I pushed the plane the rest of
the way in. It was kind of a demoralizing sight to see the brake calipers smoked
like that, but it could have been a lot worse.
A word to the wise - STAY OFF THE BRAKES!!! Its really easy to drag them and this
video is a document to what can happen.
Third Taxi Test - Epilogue
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=JlQjRWnbO2c
The brakes were pretty toasted as were the sidewalls of the tires. There were
little bits of rubber coming off the sidewall around the wheel. The brake pads
definitely looked worn down some compared to the set I have on the partially
completed RV-4. So in the interest of not holding up the test flight progress,
I opted to use the wheels, brakes, and tires from the RV-4 project to replace
the smoked components on the RV-8. I'll order a new set for the RV-4 later.
I spent the day jacking up the plane and swapping pieces. I also took the opportunity
to remove the right master cylinder and fix the pesky high-pressure side
leak. Here's a video of the wheels, brakes, and tires all replaced and ready
for testing.
Third Taxi Test - Post Epilogue
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=dL92Hwi0xnE
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don" <dsvs(at)ca.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Third Taxi Test Video (Brakes Over Heat!)... |
Hey Matt,
Sorry to hear about your brake issues. I just switched to Grove brakes with
a thicker rotor and also switched to DOT4 brake fluid.
My Cleveland brakes overheated every time I would do three full stops.
Never got smoke but the wheel pants were hot enough to burn your hand if you
touched them. I have a 7 which like your 8 is a little heavy.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:29 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Third Taxi Test Video (Brakes Over Heat!)...
On the third taxi test, I headed out to the main runway at Livermore, 25R
and ask the tower for a high-speed taxi test with no take off. It was
approved as requested and went great. There was about a 15-20 knot head
wind at about 270 which made it even more fun. The RV-8 handled great and
it was definitely ready to take off. I only got to about 1/3 power and it
would have taken off with about 1/2 throttle probably. Oh my... What will
FULL throttle be like!? Now that's exciting! Be sure to watch the Part 2 of
this video because as the music gets more intense, so does the testing!
Third Taxi Test - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=pnz31m6aVEQ
After the taxi back on the regular taxi way, the tower offered to let me run
back the other direction on the runway! I wasn't sure that's really what he
was suggesting and I had to verify that's what he really meant. It was
pretty cool and saved a lot of time. With the 15-20 knot tailwind, though, I
probably would have been better off just using the taxi way. Now you'll
notice the music is getting a bit more intense. Be sure to watch Part 3
because that's where this taxi test REALLY get's interesting...
Third Taxi Test - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=5zheOkSHfX4
As you'll see in that part of the third taxi test, I lost the brakes. As
I'm taxing off the runway I noticed that there was smoke coming out of both
the left and right sides. At the time, I really wasn't sure what caused the
brakes to get so hot. But, after watching the video a couple of time and
recalling back to what I was doing, I'm positive that I was dragging the
brakes on those down-wind trips. I even remember thinking at one point,
"oh, I'm riding the brakes". Doesn't seem like they should get so hot as to
start smoking, but perhaps it was a combination of being new, over worked,
and a bit of brake fluid leaking out and hitting the discs. Anyway, my
comment at the end of the video is kind of funny. It wasn't at the time,
mind you... :-)
Third Taxi Test - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=57W-O8905cg
After I hosed the wheel pants and brakes down and got things cooled off and
no longer smoking, I had to push the plane back to the hangar from the wash
rack, which isn't too far, but still kind of a long ways at the end of a
day. As I was pushing it back I noticed that there was brake fluid leaking
out of the right brake. I pushed the plane about 1/2 the way into the
hangar and took the wheel pants off. Once I got the leaks stopped, I pushed
the plane the rest of the way in. It was kind of a demoralizing sight to
see the brake calipers smoked like that, but it could have been a lot worse.
A word to the wise - STAY OFF THE BRAKES!!! Its really easy to drag them
and this video is a document to what can happen.
Third Taxi Test - Epilogue
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=JlQjRWnbO2c
The brakes were pretty toasted as were the sidewalls of the tires. There
were little bits of rubber coming off the sidewall around the wheel. The
brake pads definitely looked worn down some compared to the set I have on
the partially completed RV-4. So in the interest of not holding up the test
flight progress, I opted to use the wheels, brakes, and tires from the RV-4
project to replace the smoked components on the RV-8. I'll order a new set
for the RV-4 later.
I spent the day jacking up the plane and swapping pieces. I also took the
opportunity to remove the right master cylinder and fix the pesky
high-pressure side leak. Here's a video of the wheels, brakes, and tires
all replaced and ready for testing.
Third Taxi Test - Post Epilogue
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=dL92Hwi0xnE
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon Jack" <gordjack(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Third Taxi Test Video (Brakes Over Heat!)... |
Matt
I did not have this problem
I did not do a taxi test as per Van's instructions.
Gord
Rv 7A C-FRVN 70011 180 CS Hart BA 7496
First flight June 17 2008
TTSN 238HRS
I had barely 100hrs PIC during the early flights.
Since
44 First time RV Rides
26 Airports
19 fly-ins and airshows
I am really looking forward to your reports with your ability to put into
words the experiences when you have the same time and enjoyment as C-FRVN
has given me.
We can not truly put into words what this experience has given Karen and
myself.
All the Best
Gord
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: April 27, 2010 9:29 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Third Taxi Test Video (Brakes Over Heat!)...
On the third taxi test, I headed out to the main runway at Livermore, 25R
and ask the tower for a high-speed taxi test with no take off. It was
approved as requested and went great. There was about a 15-20 knot head
wind at about 270 which made it even more fun. The RV-8 handled great and
it was definitely ready to take off. I only got to about 1/3 power and it
would have taken off with about 1/2 throttle probably. Oh my... What will
FULL throttle be like!? Now that's exciting! Be sure to watch the Part 2 of
this video because as the music gets more intense, so does the testing!
Third Taxi Test - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=pnz31m6aVEQ
After the taxi back on the regular taxi way, the tower offered to let me run
back the other direction on the runway! I wasn't sure that's really what he
was suggesting and I had to verify that's what he really meant. It was
pretty cool and saved a lot of time. With the 15-20 knot tailwind, though, I
probably would have been better off just using the taxi way. Now you'll
notice the music is getting a bit more intense. Be sure to watch Part 3
because that's where this taxi test REALLY get's interesting...
Third Taxi Test - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=5zheOkSHfX4
As you'll see in that part of the third taxi test, I lost the brakes. As
I'm taxing off the runway I noticed that there was smoke coming out of both
the left and right sides. At the time, I really wasn't sure what caused the
brakes to get so hot. But, after watching the video a couple of time and
recalling back to what I was doing, I'm positive that I was dragging the
brakes on those down-wind trips. I even remember thinking at one point,
"oh, I'm riding the brakes". Doesn't seem like they should get so hot as to
start smoking, but perhaps it was a combination of being new, over worked,
and a bit of brake fluid leaking out and hitting the discs. Anyway, my
comment at the end of the video is kind of funny. It wasn't at the time,
mind you... :-)
Third Taxi Test - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=57W-O8905cg
After I hosed the wheel pants and brakes down and got things cooled off and
no longer smoking, I had to push the plane back to the hangar from the wash
rack, which isn't too far, but still kind of a long ways at the end of a
day. As I was pushing it back I noticed that there was brake fluid leaking
out of the right brake. I pushed the plane about 1/2 the way into the
hangar and took the wheel pants off. Once I got the leaks stopped, I pushed
the plane the rest of the way in. It was kind of a demoralizing sight to
see the brake calipers smoked like that, but it could have been a lot worse.
A word to the wise - STAY OFF THE BRAKES!!! Its really easy to drag them
and this video is a document to what can happen.
Third Taxi Test - Epilogue
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=JlQjRWnbO2c
The brakes were pretty toasted as were the sidewalls of the tires. There
were little bits of rubber coming off the sidewall around the wheel. The
brake pads definitely looked worn down some compared to the set I have on
the partially completed RV-4. So in the interest of not holding up the test
flight progress, I opted to use the wheels, brakes, and tires from the RV-4
project to replace the smoked components on the RV-8. I'll order a new set
for the RV-4 later.
I spent the day jacking up the plane and swapping pieces. I also took the
opportunity to remove the right master cylinder and fix the pesky
high-pressure side leak. Here's a video of the wheels, brakes, and tires
all replaced and ready for testing.
Third Taxi Test - Post Epilogue
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=dL92Hwi0xnE
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon Jack" <gordjack(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Third Taxi Test Video (Brakes Over Heat!)... |
Matt
Just a follow up
I was thinking later last night and this morning that the hot brake problem
may not be because of the taxi tests.
I may have dodged a problem with the brakes on my plane early on during the
first few startups.
I had dragging brake pedal problem noticed when pushing the plane back into
the hanger. I could feel and hear the brakes dragging. The hinge point on
the brake pedal was a bit snug particularly on the left side. The pedal was
not completely disengaging and if I hadn't found it then I may have had a
problem like yours even without taxi tests. After a couple of minutes
without applying the brake the situation corrected itself which would not
happen during a taxi, takeoff or landing situation. .
I backed off the bolts a bit, installed new cotter pins and made sure the
hinge point was lubed. End of problem.
I had inquired about taxi tests after a local guy had his wheel pant nearly
catch fire while taxi testing and was told just do enough to be confident
with directional control.
Where I live the average taxi is about a mile and usually in a crosswind and
the brakes are holding up excellent.
Hope you solve the problem.
Gord
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: April 27, 2010 9:29 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Third Taxi Test Video (Brakes Over Heat!)...
On the third taxi test, I headed out to the main runway at Livermore, 25R
and ask the tower for a high-speed taxi test with no take off. It was
approved as requested and went great. There was about a 15-20 knot head
wind at about 270 which made it even more fun. The RV-8 handled great and
it was definitely ready to take off. I only got to about 1/3 power and it
would have taken off with about 1/2 throttle probably. Oh my... What will
FULL throttle be like!? Now that's exciting! Be sure to watch the Part 2 of
this video because as the music gets more intense, so does the testing!
Third Taxi Test - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=pnz31m6aVEQ
After the taxi back on the regular taxi way, the tower offered to let me run
back the other direction on the runway! I wasn't sure that's really what he
was suggesting and I had to verify that's what he really meant. It was
pretty cool and saved a lot of time. With the 15-20 knot tailwind, though, I
probably would have been better off just using the taxi way. Now you'll
notice the music is getting a bit more intense. Be sure to watch Part 3
because that's where this taxi test REALLY get's interesting...
Third Taxi Test - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=5zheOkSHfX4
As you'll see in that part of the third taxi test, I lost the brakes. As
I'm taxing off the runway I noticed that there was smoke coming out of both
the left and right sides. At the time, I really wasn't sure what caused the
brakes to get so hot. But, after watching the video a couple of time and
recalling back to what I was doing, I'm positive that I was dragging the
brakes on those down-wind trips. I even remember thinking at one point,
"oh, I'm riding the brakes". Doesn't seem like they should get so hot as to
start smoking, but perhaps it was a combination of being new, over worked,
and a bit of brake fluid leaking out and hitting the discs. Anyway, my
comment at the end of the video is kind of funny. It wasn't at the time,
mind you... :-)
Third Taxi Test - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=57W-O8905cg
After I hosed the wheel pants and brakes down and got things cooled off and
no longer smoking, I had to push the plane back to the hangar from the wash
rack, which isn't too far, but still kind of a long ways at the end of a
day. As I was pushing it back I noticed that there was brake fluid leaking
out of the right brake. I pushed the plane about 1/2 the way into the
hangar and took the wheel pants off. Once I got the leaks stopped, I pushed
the plane the rest of the way in. It was kind of a demoralizing sight to
see the brake calipers smoked like that, but it could have been a lot worse.
A word to the wise - STAY OFF THE BRAKES!!! Its really easy to drag them
and this video is a document to what can happen.
Third Taxi Test - Epilogue
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=JlQjRWnbO2c
The brakes were pretty toasted as were the sidewalls of the tires. There
were little bits of rubber coming off the sidewall around the wheel. The
brake pads definitely looked worn down some compared to the set I have on
the partially completed RV-4. So in the interest of not holding up the test
flight progress, I opted to use the wheels, brakes, and tires from the RV-4
project to replace the smoked components on the RV-8. I'll order a new set
for the RV-4 later.
I spent the day jacking up the plane and swapping pieces. I also took the
opportunity to remove the right master cylinder and fix the pesky
high-pressure side leak. Here's a video of the wheels, brakes, and tires
all replaced and ready for testing.
Third Taxi Test - Post Epilogue
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=dL92Hwi0xnE
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Third Taxi Test Video (Brakes Over Heat!)... |
| From: | Franz Fux <franz(at)lastfrontierheli.com> |
A word to the wise,
Taxi tests do not really serve any purpose and are potentially dangerous as
they often lead to unexpected take off and flying experiences with pilots on
the controls that are not really ready for such experience. It can also lead
to smoking brakes and potential fires while taxiing. I don't want to spoil
your fun Matt but you could have last your plane to a fire before it even
flew, so be careful, minimize your taxi tests and go flying
Franz
RV7A, flying for four years, no taxi tests
On 27/04/10 10:50 PM, "Gordon Jack" wrote:
>
> Matt
>
> I did not have this problem
> I did not do a taxi test as per Van's instructions.
>
> Gord
> Rv 7A C-FRVN 70011 180 CS Hart BA 7496
> First flight June 17 2008
> TTSN 238HRS
> I had barely 100hrs PIC during the early flights.
> Since
>
> 44 First time RV Rides
> 26 Airports
> 19 fly-ins and airshows
>
> I am really looking forward to your reports with your ability to put into
> words the experiences when you have the same time and enjoyment as C-FRVN
> has given me.
>
> We can not truly put into words what this experience has given Karen and
> myself.
>
> All the Best
>
> Gord
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: April 27, 2010 9:29 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv7-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: Third Taxi Test Video (Brakes Over Heat!)...
>
>
> On the third taxi test, I headed out to the main runway at Livermore, 25R
> and ask the tower for a high-speed taxi test with no take off. It was
> approved as requested and went great. There was about a 15-20 knot head
> wind at about 270 which made it even more fun. The RV-8 handled great and
> it was definitely ready to take off. I only got to about 1/3 power and it
> would have taken off with about 1/2 throttle probably. Oh my... What will
> FULL throttle be like!? Now that's exciting! Be sure to watch the Part 2 of
> this video because as the music gets more intense, so does the testing!
>
> Third Taxi Test - Part 1
>
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=pnz31m6aVEQ
>
>
> After the taxi back on the regular taxi way, the tower offered to let me run
> back the other direction on the runway! I wasn't sure that's really what he
> was suggesting and I had to verify that's what he really meant. It was
> pretty cool and saved a lot of time. With the 15-20 knot tailwind, though, I
> probably would have been better off just using the taxi way. Now you'll
> notice the music is getting a bit more intense. Be sure to watch Part 3
> because that's where this taxi test REALLY get's interesting...
>
> Third Taxi Test - Part 2
>
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=5zheOkSHfX4
>
>
> As you'll see in that part of the third taxi test, I lost the brakes. As
> I'm taxing off the runway I noticed that there was smoke coming out of both
> the left and right sides. At the time, I really wasn't sure what caused the
> brakes to get so hot. But, after watching the video a couple of time and
> recalling back to what I was doing, I'm positive that I was dragging the
> brakes on those down-wind trips. I even remember thinking at one point,
> "oh, I'm riding the brakes". Doesn't seem like they should get so hot as to
> start smoking, but perhaps it was a combination of being new, over worked,
> and a bit of brake fluid leaking out and hitting the discs. Anyway, my
> comment at the end of the video is kind of funny. It wasn't at the time,
> mind you... :-)
>
> Third Taxi Test - Part 3
>
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=57W-O8905cg
>
>
> After I hosed the wheel pants and brakes down and got things cooled off and
> no longer smoking, I had to push the plane back to the hangar from the wash
> rack, which isn't too far, but still kind of a long ways at the end of a
> day. As I was pushing it back I noticed that there was brake fluid leaking
> out of the right brake. I pushed the plane about 1/2 the way into the
> hangar and took the wheel pants off. Once I got the leaks stopped, I pushed
> the plane the rest of the way in. It was kind of a demoralizing sight to
> see the brake calipers smoked like that, but it could have been a lot worse.
>
> A word to the wise - STAY OFF THE BRAKES!!! Its really easy to drag them
> and this video is a document to what can happen.
>
> Third Taxi Test - Epilogue
>
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=JlQjRWnbO2c
>
>
> The brakes were pretty toasted as were the sidewalls of the tires. There
> were little bits of rubber coming off the sidewall around the wheel. The
> brake pads definitely looked worn down some compared to the set I have on
> the partially completed RV-4. So in the interest of not holding up the test
> flight progress, I opted to use the wheels, brakes, and tires from the RV-4
> project to replace the smoked components on the RV-8. I'll order a new set
> for the RV-4 later.
>
> I spent the day jacking up the plane and swapping pieces. I also took the
> opportunity to remove the right master cylinder and fix the pesky
> high-pressure side leak. Here's a video of the wheels, brakes, and tires
> all replaced and ready for testing.
>
> Third Taxi Test - Post Epilogue
>
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=dL92Hwi0xnE
>
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: Test Flying
>
>
>
>
>
>
Franz Fux
Director of Operations
Last Frontier Heliskiing Ltd.
Bell 2 Lodge
P.O. Box 1237
Vernon, BC, V1T 6N6
CANADA
Office Contact
T: (250) 558-7980
F: (250) 558-7981
Lodge Contact
T: (250) 275-4770
F: (250) 275-4912
http://www.bell2lodge.com
---
LAST FRONTIER Heliskiing
www.lastfrontierheli.com
---
And for some of the best Steelhead Fishing in the world at Bell 2 Lodge
www.steelhead-fishing.net
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV Transition Training w/ Mike Seager - Day 1 - Getting There... |
The trip to Vernonia Oregon was pleasantly uneventful and rather relaxing, actually.
The Flight on Horizon Air was smooth and the plane left Oakland Airport
right on time and even arrived at Portland Airport 10 minutes early. I was also
pleasantly surprised that the Enterprise rental car establishment at the airport
had a brand new 2010 Chevy Camero's in the fleet. I've been wanting to
drive one since they came out and quickly exchanged my "luxury car" reservation
for the sweet, Silver number seen in the pictures. Its a very nice car. Plenty
of power, handles reasonably well although it tends to over-steer in the
corners, rides well, and has a "very nice" factory sound system. The system
has XM radio support, but Enterprise doesn't maintain a subscription to the service
which is a big-old fat bummer in my opinion. FM radio is a jungle; ack.
Anyway, back to the trip... It was around 2pm by the the time I got on the road,
so my belly was telling me it was time for a refill. I noticed this nice looking
place along the highway called Rose's Restaurant and Bakery and it sounded
like what I was in the mood for, and it turned out my hunch was right. I
ordered a big 'ol greasy BBQ cheese burger that was as big as a mountain and very
tasty. They have some awesome looking deserts there too, but I resisted.
I don't know why I resisted, mind you... Just as I was leaving, the sun turned
to dark gray clouds and then it just started to hail like crazy! It was pretty
cool.
It was about an hour and a half drive from the Portland Airport out to Vernonia.
Along the way, I snapped a couple of pictures of a sweet glider airport by
the highway. The green fields with the airplanes in the background was quite
a sight. I thought wistfully of the RV-8 trapped in the hangar back at home...
Once you turn off the main highway heading towards Vernonia proper, the scenery
is quite spectacular. The filtered sun through the various clouds and patches
of rain made the trip just that much more enjoyable. Well, that and the purr
of the Camero's V8. I'm just saying...
I rolled into Vernonia and the Garmin GPS that came with the car took me right
up to the front door of the Rockcreek Bed & Breakfast. What a lovely place!
The pictures of the interior are the living quarters for the guest. There's just
the one bedroom, so I pretty much had the run of the areas shown. The owners
live in the back half of the house, but the two areas are divided and so the
guest's front half is very private.
Patricia Davis, the curator of the Rockcreek B&B was very nice and made sure everything
was just right. She promised a big breakfast in the morning with all
of my favorite things, so I'm looking forward to that!! :-)
If you're coming to Vernonia for your transition training with Mike Seager, you
own it to yourself to stay here at the Rock Creek B&B. You won't be sorry.
The accommodations are outstanding and the price is very reasonable. Here is
their web site:
http://www.rockcreekbb.com/
After I got settled in, I drove out to the Vernonia airport and looked around until
I found Mike's hanger. I knocked on the door and found him there still and
we had a nice conversation and he showed me his Model T restoration project.
Very cool! I'll have to get some pictures of it tomorrow.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flight
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV Transition Training w/ Mike Seager - Day 2 - Sessions 1 & |
2...
As luck would have it, Thursday morning it was raining in Vernonia Oregon.
Go figure. After a wonderful breakfast at the Rock Creek B&B, I headed out
to the Vernonia airport to meet with Mike Seager at 10am for my first RV
transition training lesson. We spent the first hour in the office for some
"chalk-talk" all about RVs. Mike went over RV speeds, attitudes (the
airplane's, not the pilot's, btw), and other things related to flying an RV
safely. It was a very good primer on the RV.
By now, it was only raining "a little bit", so we headed out to N477RV, an
RV-7, and hopped in. We took off to the West, with a fairly stiff wind. I
nice left hand turn and we headed out toward Scappoose. Mike took me
though some aircraft handling such as turns and climbs and descents and got
me used to the flight controls on the RV. As is typical with most new RV
pilots, I was over-controlling some. The air was *really* bumpy and I was
really working hard to keep the plane level with all the turbulence. Then
Mike showed me how to just let the plane fly itself though those bumps by
relaxing my grip and not constantly over-correcting. Wow! That's was a
lot easier! We headed over to the Scappoose airport and set up to shoot
some landings. There was a "nice", almost 90 degree cross wind there to go
with all of the turbulence, so it was quite a work out both as a pilot and
on my stomach. I didn't barf, but I sure wanted to... After 6 stop and go
landings at Scappoose, we headed back to the Vernonia airport.
Mike has been restoring a 1923 Model T Ford and he decided that he was going
to take it home for lunch that day. What a sweet car! Friday afternoon he
even took me for a ride! Considering they started making Model T's around
1907, it rode surprising well. With the fully enclosed cabin and heater,
it must have seemed like a space-ship compared to the horse and buggy that
most were still using at the time. The little car has an amazing amount of
power. There are a myriad of levers and pedals that must be negotiated to
drive the thing. Most peculiar is that fact that the throttle is not a
pedal, but rather a lever on the steering column that kind of looks like a
turn signal.
Mike's also been into Radio Control model airplanes and has a number of them
hanging from the ceiling in his hanger. Some of them were simply massive
and frankly looked like you could put the family cat or dog on one and take
them for a ride of a life time.
In the afternoon, I headed back out the Vernonia airport at 3PM for my
second lesson. The weather was better, but the report for Scappoose was
for even more wind than in the morning. So, we headed out to the
McMinville airport South of Vernonia about 15 minutes by RV.
http://www.macairclub.com/Welcome.html McMinville is where the Spruce
Goose is now stored and there is a large aircraft museum there.
The wind was fairly calm at McMinville and so we did about 12 stop and go
landings and then headed back the Vernonia airport. BTW, the Vernonia
airport has a large hill on the East end of the field and so you have to
sort of fly a dog leg around the hill and then straighten out right at the
last minute to land on the grass strip. By the end of Friday, I had it
down! Mike said, if you can land at Vernonia, you can land anywhere! :-)
After the second lesson on Thursday, I headed down to Hillsboro to meet some
long time RV-buddies at the Rock Creek Tavern. Don Wentz and Jerry
Springer were there and I met a new RV-buddy named Ryan along with his wife
and daughter. The Rock Creek Tavern is quite a place with lots of
atmosphere and even a live band on a Thursday night. The giant BBQ cheese
burger was nothing short of awesome.
By the time I got home, I was bushed. The giant, comfortable bed at the
Rock Creek B&B felt so good. I didn't wake up until 8 the next morning!
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV Transition Training w/ Mike Seager - Day 3 - Session 3... |
Friday morning I headed back out to the Vernonia airport for lesson number 3.
Mike asked me if I'd like to fly the RV-6A this time since it has a constant speed
prop similar to what my RV-8 has. The RV-7 we'd flown the day before has
a fixed pitch prop. Some constant-speed time sounded like a great idea, so we
piled in and took off. I'm really glad that I got some time in the tricycle
gear version of the RV as well. I would seem that it would be just like the
tail wheel version, but easier. In reality, however, landing and taking off are
different propositions and Mike took me though the steps. I'm also glad that
I got the training with the constant-speed prop. The angle of decent on final
approach is significantly greater with the CS prop and its somewhat disconcerting
to be pointing the airplane's nose that far down on final. Its definitely
not a flat approach ala a Cessna 172 or even like the Citibrias I've been
flying.
We flew out towards Scappoose and did some slow flight and climbing turns along
with some power off and power on stalls. I was amazed at how far up you have
to point the nose on the RV to get it to stall with full power. Way up. I mean
WAY up. The stalls were gentle and predictable, but that second stall if
you don't get the nose pushed down far enough was a little weird. Other than
that, the stall handling and recovery were pretty text-book.
We headed over to Scappoose and shot about 8 stop and go landings. Again, kind
of a stiff cross wind, but there wasn't too much turbulence so that was good.
After that, we headed back to Vernonia and I made a pretty good landing on the
grass strip!
I didn't get any pictures of the RV-6A we flew today, but attached are some additional
pictures of the RV-7 I was flying.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flight
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV Transition Training w/ Mike Seager - Day 3 - Session 4... |
By the time the afternoon session on Friday rolled around, the weather was looking
pretty good. Still cloudy, but clouds were fairly high - around 3500ft -
and the wind wasn't blowing too bad. We got back in the RV-7 and took off and
headed West toward the Astoria airport out on the coast. We shot a number of
stop and go landings here and then headed out to the Oregon Coastline proper
at about 800 feet. I got some great pictures from plane as we were flying along.
It was amazingly beautiful and I commented to Mike that there are very few
people that have had the opportunity to experience the beauty of the coastline
from that perspective. Spectacular.
We shot a full stop landing at the Seaside Airport (56S) and then headed down the
coast a bit further to the Nehalem Bay State Airport (3S7) and shot a landing
there as well. From there we headed back to Vernonia where I managed to squeak
out yet another pretty good landing!
All toll across the 2 days and 4 sessions, I flew 6.0 hours with Mike and made
34 takeoffs and landings. I have to say that I feel much more confident now in
the RV. I absolutely cannot recommend this experience highly enough to anyone
who is getting ready to fly an RV for the first or near the first time. Whether
its for an insurance requirement or not, you cannot afford to not take the
time to learn the specifics of flying an RV aircraft. Particularly if you
only have Cessna or Piper time, but even if you have a fair amount of tail-dragger
time in aircraft such as the Citibria like I did. The training is invaluable
and frankly a must.
I also cannot speak highly enough of Mike Seager. What a pleasure it was flying
with him these last two days. His years of experience really shows and his
calm, yet firm manner was perfect for the task at hand. If you are about ready
to fly your RV, give Mike a call and schedule some time to get checked out.
You won't be sorry you did. I told Mike as I was handing him the check for his
effort, "You know Mike, this was the best money I've spent on my RV-8 project",
and I truly meant that.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flight
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| From: | Darwin Barrie <ktlkrn(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Mike Seager Training |
I couldn't agree more with your assessment of the training with Mike.
There is nobody in the World with more RV flight time and instruction
and it shows.
I highly suggest that everyone attend prior to flying your RV for the
first time. Even if you are not the one that will be doing the first
flight, YOUR first flight will feel more comfortable with this training.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler, AZ
N717EE Flying
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| From: | rhatkinson(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV Transition Training w/ Mike Seager - Day 3 - Session |
4...
Hi Matt,
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-Have been following ur adventures; building videos, taxi tes
ting, inspections / sign-offs and now the transition tranining.
It wold appear that u have done everthng picture prfct, including the build
er's log, from modifications 2 hangar, acce[ting delivery and every step al
ong the way. So why don't u offer your experience, knowledge & talent 2 oth
ers of us who have not been able 2 embark on this GREAT journey [4 whatevr
reason] in the form of a book especially with accompanying disc of the vide
os.
It would be a great read / viewing.
I believe any RV builder would appreciate a preview of the journey
I would like 2 place my order 4 a copy now [for a personally autographed co
py the price could be $0.00 more]
Bob Atkinson=C2- [Matronics list lurker]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 1, 2010 10:36:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RV7-List: RV Transition Training w/ Mike Seager - Day 3 - Session
4...
By the time the afternoon session on Friday rolled around, the weather was
looking pretty good. =C2-Still cloudy, but clouds were fairly high - arou
nd 3500ft - and the wind wasn't blowing too bad. =C2-We got back in the R
V-7 and took off and headed West toward the Astoria airport out on the coas
t. =C2-We shot a number of stop and go landings here and then headed out
to the Oregon Coastline proper at about 800 feet. =C2-I got some great pi
ctures from plane as we were flying along. =C2-It was amazingly beautiful
and I commented to Mike that there are very few people that have had the o
pportunity to experience the beauty of the coastline from that perspective.
=C2-Spectacular.
We shot a full stop landing at the Seaside Airport (56S) and then headed do
wn the coast a bit further to the Nehalem Bay State Airport (3S7) and shot
a landing there as well. =C2-From there we headed back to Vernonia where
I managed to squeak out yet another pretty good landing!
All toll across the 2 days and 4 sessions, I flew 6.0 hours with Mike and m
ade 34 takeoffs and landings. =C2-I have to say that I feel much more con
fident now in the RV. =C2-I absolutely cannot recommend this experience h
ighly enough to anyone who is getting ready to fly an RV for the first or n
ear the first time. =C2-Whether its for an insurance requirement or not,
you cannot afford to not take the time to learn the specifics of flying an
RV aircraft. =C2-Particularly if you only have Cessna or Piper time, but
even if you have a fair amount of tail-dragger time in aircraft such as the
Citibria like I did. =C2-The training is invaluable and frankly a must.
=C2-
I also cannot speak highly enough of Mike Seager. =C2-What a pleasure it
was flying with him these last two days. =C2-His years of experience real
ly shows and his calm, yet firm manner was perfect for the task at hand.
=C2-If you are about ready to fly your RV, give Mike a call and schedule
some time to get checked out. =C2-You won't be sorry you did. =C2-I tol
d Mike as I was handing him the check for his effort, "You know Mike, this
was the best money I've spent on my RV-8 project", and I truly meant that.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flight
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | N998RV Flies - Teaser Shot! |
Yahooo!!
Mr RV-8 flew today for the first time!! Yahoo! .5 hours at 1pm and 1.0 hours
again at 4:30pm! There's a ton more pictures and some sweet videos, but this
will have to do for now... More to come!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flight
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| From: | "Gordon Jack" <gordjack(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | N998RV Flies - Teaser Shot! |
WOW Congrats, I am so happy for you.
Gord
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: May 3, 2010 8:23 PM
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV7-List: N998RV Flies - Teaser Shot!
Yahooo!!
Mr RV-8 flew today for the first time!! Yahoo! .5 hours at 1pm and 1.0
hours again at 4:30pm! There's a ton more pictures and some sweet videos,
but this will have to do for now... More to come!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flight
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! |
Dear Listers,
Monday May 2 2010 at 1:15pm, RV-8 #82880 N998RV took to the air for the first time!
The first flight was about 30 minutes and all systems worked as expected.
The only post-flight adjustments necessary were an increase in the amount of
available Up trim, and a decrease in the upper RPM limit on the Hartzell prop.
After a smooth takeoff, I climbed out and circled the airport at about three
to four thousand feet for a couple of circuits then came around and landed
making a nice three-point landing with no bounce. The plane handled excellent
and the power from the IO-390 and the Hartzell can only be experienced to be
believed! What a great combination!
I want to thank Van's for designing such a great aircraft and for producing such
an outstanding kit. I would also like to thank all my List friends for their
help and assistance during the project. And of course, a special thanks to
all of my personal friends that have come over and lent at hand during the construction
- I own you guys a ride and a $100 hamburger when I get the Phase 1
time flown off!
Probably in the Fall or Winter some time, plan to take it in for painting. I'm
planning on a Candy Apply Red with some very understated and elegant golden trim
with a nice clear coat.
For all those that are still building - keep at it! The end result is 100% worth
the time and effort you put into the project. That first flight will be the
experience of a lifetime and something you won't soon forget!
Attached are some pictures from the first flight and few shots of the engine, panel,
and interior. Below, I've listed the system highlights.
Build Hours: 2457 Hours
Build Time: 23 Months
Kit: Van's RV-8 QB
Engine: Lycoming IO-390 210hp
Ignition: Slick Mags w/ Slick-Start Module
Exhaust: Vetterman IO-390 4-into-4 System (Sounds Great!)
Prop: Hartzell 72" Constant Speed
Governor: PCU5000
Alternator Primary: 60a Plain Power Belt Drive
Alternator Secondary: 20a B&C Direct Drive w/ B&C External Regulator
Steam Gauges: NONE!
Flight Instruments: Triple 6.5" GRT HX / Dual GRT AHRSs / Dual Magnetometers
Realtime Weather: XM Module For GRT HX & XM Module For Kenwood DNX-8120
Autopilot: TruTrak Digiflight II VSGV Two Axis w/ Auto Trim Module
Fuel Flow: Matronics FuelChec DX
GPS: Dual GRT Modules (Garmin engine)
Radio: Garmin SL-30
Transponder: Garmin GTX-327
Electrical System: Vertical Power VP-200
Entertainment: Kenwood DNX-8120 with 7" LCD / Psgr 7" Remote LCD
XM Radio / DVD / 64GB MP3 / HD AM-FM / XM Weather /
Full Bluetooth integration with Blackberry (make
and receive calls through headsets)
Intercom: PS3000 Stereo
Headphones: Bose Aviation Headset X
Interior: Classic Aero - All Leather over All Comferfoam
Carpet: Custom design - Cut & Sewn by Classic Aero
Oxygen System: Mountain High O2D2 w/ Electronic Tank Valve & PSI
Seat Belts: Hooker 5-Point Harness
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flight
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| From: | Deb Weiss <weissmntc(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Please unsubscribe me |
-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Sent: May 5, 2010 8:26 PM
>To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV7-List: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos!
>
>
>Dear Listers,
>
>Monday May 2 2010 at 1:15pm, RV-8 #82880 N998RV took to the air for the first
time! The first flight was about 30 minutes and all systems worked as expected.
The only post-flight adjustments necessary were an increase in the amount
of available Up trim, and a decrease in the upper RPM limit on the Hartzell prop.
After a smooth takeoff, I climbed out and circled the airport at about three
to four thousand feet for a couple of circuits then came around and landed
making a nice three-point landing with no bounce. The plane handled excellent
and the power from the IO-390 and the Hartzell can only be experienced to be
believed! What a great combination!
>
>I want to thank Van's for designing such a great aircraft and for producing such
an outstanding kit. I would also like to thank all my List friends for their
help and assistance during the project. And of course, a special thanks to
all of my personal friends that have come over and lent at hand during the construction
- I own you guys a ride and a $100 hamburger when I get the Phase 1
time flown off!
>
>Probably in the Fall or Winter some time, plan to take it in for painting. I'm
planning on a Candy Apply Red with some very understated and elegant golden
trim with a nice clear coat.
>
>For all those that are still building - keep at it! The end result is 100% worth
the time and effort you put into the project. That first flight will be the
experience of a lifetime and something you won't soon forget!
>
>Attached are some pictures from the first flight and few shots of the engine,
panel, and interior. Below, I've listed the system highlights.
>
>Build Hours: 2457 Hours
>Build Time: 23 Months
>Kit: Van's RV-8 QB
>Engine: Lycoming IO-390 210hp
>Ignition: Slick Mags w/ Slick-Start Module
>Exhaust: Vetterman IO-390 4-into-4 System (Sounds Great!)
>Prop: Hartzell 72" Constant Speed
>Governor: PCU5000
>Alternator Primary: 60a Plain Power Belt Drive
>Alternator Secondary: 20a B&C Direct Drive w/ B&C External Regulator
>Steam Gauges: NONE!
>Flight Instruments: Triple 6.5" GRT HX / Dual GRT AHRSs / Dual Magnetometers
>Realtime Weather: XM Module For GRT HX & XM Module For Kenwood DNX-8120
>Autopilot: TruTrak Digiflight II VSGV Two Axis w/ Auto Trim Module
>Fuel Flow: Matronics FuelChec DX
>GPS: Dual GRT Modules (Garmin engine)
>Radio: Garmin SL-30
>Transponder: Garmin GTX-327
>Electrical System: Vertical Power VP-200
>Entertainment: Kenwood DNX-8120 with 7" LCD / Psgr 7" Remote LCD
> XM Radio / DVD / 64GB MP3 / HD AM-FM / XM Weather /
> Full Bluetooth integration with Blackberry (make
> and receive calls through headsets)
>Intercom: PS3000 Stereo
>Headphones: Bose Aviation Headset X
>Interior: Classic Aero - All Leather over All Comferfoam
>Carpet: Custom design - Cut & Sewn by Classic Aero
>Oxygen System: Mountain High O2D2 w/ Electronic Tank Valve & PSI
>Seat Belts: Hooker 5-Point Harness
>
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
>http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
>Status: Test Flight
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| From: | rhatkinson(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! |
Hey Matt,
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2- I continue to encourage you to write your building ex
periences in a commercial for sale publication. You have done such a great
job of chronicling every detail complete with pix and videos, it would be a
shame to let it all set in=C2-storage boxes in corner of the hangar.
Can't imagine any RV builder not wanting to read & view your experiences. I
know if I were in a position to commence my RV 7A project tomorrow, I woul
d definitely want to have this preview material to help through the process
. Plus it would make for the kind of read that one can simply not stop unti
l the final chapter {first flight}.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2010 9:26:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RV7-List: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos!
Dear Listers,
Monday May 2 2010 at 1:15pm, RV-8 #82880 N998RV took to the air for the fir
st time! =C2-The first flight was about 30 minutes and all systems worked
as expected. =C2-The only post-flight adjustments necessary were an incr
ease in the amount of available Up trim, and a decrease in the upper RPM li
mit on the Hartzell prop. =C2-After a smooth takeoff, I climbed out and c
ircled the airport at about three to four thousand feet for a couple of cir
cuits then came around and landed making a nice three-point landing with no
bounce. =C2-The plane handled excellent and the power from the IO-390 an
d the Hartzell can only be experienced to be believed! =C2-What a great c
ombination!
I want to thank Van's for designing such a great aircraft and for producing
such an outstanding kit. =C2-I would also like to thank all my List frie
nds for their help and assistance during the project. =C2-And of course,
a special thanks to all of my personal friends that have come over and lent
at hand during the construction - I own you guys a ride and a $100 hamburg
er when I get the Phase 1 time flown off!
Probably in the Fall or Winter some time, plan to take it in for painting.
=C2-I'm planning on a Candy Apply Red with some very understated and eleg
ant golden trim with a nice clear coat.
For all those that are still building - keep at it! =C2-The end result is
100% worth the time and effort you put into the project. =C2-That first
flight will be the experience of a lifetime and something you won't soon fo
rget!
Attached are some pictures from the first flight and few shots of the engin
e, panel, and interior. =C2-Below, I've listed the system highlights.
Build Hours: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-2457 Hours
Build Time: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- 23 Months
Kit: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-V
an's RV-8 QB
Engine: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Lycoming IO-390 210hp
Ignition: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Slick Mags w/ Sl
ick-Start Module
Exhaust: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Vetterman I
O-390 4-into-4 System (Sounds Great!)
Prop: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Hartze
ll 72" Constant Speed
Governor: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- PCU5000
Alternator Primary: =C2- =C2- 60a Plain Power Belt Drive
Alternator Secondary: =C2- 20a B&C Direct Drive w/ B&C External Regulator
Steam Gauges: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- NONE!
Flight Instruments: =C2- =C2- Triple 6.5" GRT HX / Dual GRT AHRSs / Dua
l Magnetometers
Realtime Weather: =C2- =C2- =C2- XM Module For GRT HX & XM Module For
Kenwood DNX-8120
Autopilot: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-TruTrak Digiflig
ht II VSGV Two Axis w/ Auto Trim Module
Fuel Flow: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Matronics FuelCh
ec DX
GPS: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-D
ual GRT Modules (Garmin engine)
Radio: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Garmin
SL-30
Transponder: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Garmin GTX-327
Electrical System: =C2- =C2- =C2-Vertical Power VP-200
Entertainment: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Kenwood DNX-8120 with 7" L
CD / Psgr 7" Remote LCD
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2-XM Radio / DVD / 64GB MP3 / HD AM-FM / XM Weather /
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2-Full Bluetooth integration with Blackberry (make
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2-and receive calls through headsets)
Intercom: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- PS3000 Stereo
Headphones: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Bose Aviation Headset
X
Interior: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Classic Aero - A
ll Leather over All Comferfoam
Carpet: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Custom design - Cut & Sewn by Classic A
ero
Oxygen System: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Mountain High O2D2 w/ Elec
tronic Tank Valve & PSI
Seat Belts: =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Hooker 5-Point Harnes
s
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Test Flight
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| From: | Jon Charno <jon.charno(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Remove me from matronics |
Remove me from the email list please
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: capacitive fuel probes (was: engine loping) |
At 07:26 AM 5/23/2010 Sunday, you wrote:
>All I have to do to be ready for my DAR inspection is to calibrate my capacitive
fuel probes.
>--
>Tom Sargent
Hi Tom,
Which capacitive fuel probes do you have? I have the Princeton units that GRT
sells and haven't been able to even come close to getting them calibrated. Actually,
they went through the calibration fine (5 set points), but the readings
are completely erroneous. Sometimes they read full when the tanks are 1/2 empty.
Sometimes they read empty when the tanks are full. Sometimes they read,
well, whatever; usually not the actual amount of fuel. They are completely
useless. I've talked with Princeton, and they've offered no suggestions.
I'm not sure what to do at this point. Replacing the senders will likely require
removing the tanks which is no small job on the -7 and -8. Ack, this sucks.
I sure wish I'd just used the S&W float senders from Van's now.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Phase 1 Test Flying
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Livermore To Salinas In 30 Minutes... Phase 1 Pirep! |
Wow, what a beautiful evening for a flight in a brand new RV-8! The sky was clear;
the clouds were few, the wind was low. I decided to fly over to Salinas
airport and clocked in at exactly 30 minutes! I was down to about 1/3 tanks,
so I gassed up. Kind of pricey, though, at $4.75/gal. There's a really nice
cafe' there at the airport so I'll definitely be heading back there for a greasy
cheese burger at some point! In one of the hangers I peered in and saw not
only a sweet RV-8 in RED, but also a sweet RV-10! Turns out that both built
and owned by the same guy! Imagine, having two homebuilt airplanes! That's crazy!
Oh...
I walked around the corner and found the airplane paint shop the Livermore airport
guys have been telling me about, T&P Aero Refinishers. Best of all, the owner
was there and I got the tour and we talked about paint jobs. He recommended
against Candy Apple (transparent red over silver or gold), because of the
rivets. I guess the gold/silver pools in the rivets and there's no way to get
a good look. But, there are some paints that will give a very similar look in
a single stage. He also said that clear coating wouldn't be a problem. He's
going to write me up a quote next week, and I'm on the calendar for October
2010 to get painted! Yahoo!
The flight home was simply beautiful! The sun was low in the sky and there was
just enough time when I got back to Livermore to shoot about 5 or 6 touch-n-goes!
The sun dropped behind the hill just as finished my last one! Sweet!
The Airplane Flying HOBBS meter now reports 20.3 hours!! So far no major issues.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Phase 1 Test Flying - 20.3 Hours And Counting!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-List: Livermore To Salinas In 30 Minutes... Phase 1 Pirep! |
Wow, what a beautiful evening for a flight in a brand new RV-8! The sky was clear;
the clouds were few, the wind was low. I decided to fly over to Salinas
airport and clocked in at exactly 30 minutes! I was down to about 1/3 tanks,
so I gassed up. Kind of pricey, though, at $4.75/gal. There's a really nice
cafe' there at the airport so I'll definitely be heading back there for a greasy
cheese burger at some point! In one of the hangers I peered in and saw not
only a sweet RV-8 in RED, but also a sweet RV-10! Turns out that both built
and owned by the same guy! Imagine, having two homebuilt airplanes! That's crazy!
Oh...
I walked around the corner and found the airplane paint shop the Livermore airport
guys have been telling me about, T&P Aero Refinishers. Best of all, the owner
was there and I got the tour and we talked about paint jobs. He recommended
against Candy Apple (transparent red over silver or gold), because of the
rivets. I guess the gold/silver pools in the rivets and there's no way to get
a good look. But, there are some paints that will give a very similar look in
a single stage. He also said that clear coating wouldn't be a problem. He's
going to write me up a quote next week, and I'm on the calendar for October
2010 to get painted! Yahoo!
The flight home was simply beautiful! The sun was low in the sky and there was
just enough time when I got back to Livermore to shoot about 5 or 6 touch-n-goes!
The sun dropped behind the hill just as finished my last one! Sweet!
The Airplane Flying HOBBS meter now reports 20.3 hours!! So far no major issues.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Phase 1 Test Flying - 20.3 Hours And Counting!
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| From: | "Sean S. Blair" <dogsbark(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Livermore To Salinas In 30 Minutes... Phase 1 Pirep! |
Cool Matt!.
The pics and write-up are appreciated.=C2- Nice motivation.=C2- Perfect
day in a perfect plane!
Sean Blair
Colorado Springs
RV-7A
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:36:38 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RV7-List: Livermore To Salinas In 30 Minutes... =C2-Phase 1 Pire
p!
Wow, what a beautiful evening for a flight in a brand new RV-8! =C2-The s
ky was clear; the clouds were few, the wind was low. =C2-I decided to fly
over to Salinas airport and clocked in at exactly 30 minutes! =C2-I was
down to about 1/3 tanks, so I gassed up. =C2-Kind of pricey, though, at $
4.75/gal. =C2-There's a really nice cafe' there at the airport so I'll de
finitely be heading back there for a greasy cheese burger at some point!
=C2-In one of the hangers I peered in and saw not only a sweet RV-8 in RE
D, but also a sweet RV-10! =C2-Turns out that both built and owned by the
same guy! =C2-Imagine, having two homebuilt airplanes! =C2-That's craz
y! =C2-Oh... =C2- =C2-
I walked around the corner and found the airplane paint shop the Livermore
airport guys have been telling me about, T&P Aero Refinishers. =C2-Best o
f all, the owner was there and I got the tour and we talked about paint job
s. =C2-He recommended against Candy Apple (transparent red over silver or
gold), because of the rivets. =C2-I guess the gold/silver pools in the r
ivets and there's no way to get a good look. =C2-But, there are some pain
ts that will give a very similar look in a single stage. =C2-He also said
that clear coating wouldn't be a problem. =C2-He's going to write me up
a quote next week, and I'm on the calendar for October 2010 to get painted!
=C2-Yahoo!
The flight home was simply beautiful! =C2-The sun was low in the sky and
there was just enough time when I got back to Livermore to shoot about 5 or
6 touch-n-goes! =C2-The sun dropped behind the hill just as finished my
last one! =C2-Sweet!
The Airplane Flying HOBBS meter now reports 20.3 hours!! =C2-So far no ma
jor issues.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Phase 1 Test Flying - 20.3 Hours And Counting!
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| From: | Hugh Ragg <hragg(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Duel Battery option with EXP Bus |
i am installing duel battries in my RV7 and going Lightspeed electronic ignition
only. I have installed the Exp-bus and wondering if anyone has used this system
to run the primary and backup battery through it. I have wired the duel system
through their own breakers and separate switches but running the power system
through the EXP-Bus. Any comments and or help will be appreciated.
Regards
Hugh
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Sweet Pics From Cross Country To Lake Tahoe Today... |
Dear Listers,
The second major cross country post-Phase 1 this weekend took us to South Lake Tahoe in our continuing "Quest For A $100 Hamburger"... The weather was unbelievable today. Simply amazing! We ran into Marc Ausman of Vertical Power fame http://www.verticalpower.com as we were fueling up for our trip home. Marc has another sweet Lycoming IO-390 powered RV.
After lunch, we took a flight over Reno at about 11000ft.
Who knew this RV-8 was going to be such a fun vehicle of journey! :-)
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor...
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Replacing Fuel Level Senders... |
Dear Listers,
Well, okay, so I've resigned myself to replacing my Princeton capacitance fuel
level probes with the standard S&W float probea from Van's. Has anyone replaced
these without removing the wing or the fuel tank from the airplane? Basically
just doing it from underneath the airplane through the gap afforded by the
fuselage-to-wing fairing? Is this even possible?
I know that it won't be possible to remove the Princeton units without destroying
them, but can the S&W probes be installed? If I can do it without pulling
the fuel tanks or wings off, then I might just tackle this sooner than later.
But if the tanks have to come off, then I might procrastinate more and enjoy
the great flying weather. That being said, I'm going in for paint in either August
or October and it has to be complete before then either way.
Arg, why couldn't those Princeton probes just work? Geeze, how much do you have
to spend to get a product that works. How frustrating.
So, how accurate are the bending dimensions on the Van's plans for the S&W float
arms? I've got no way to test or trial fit these units so its a one-shot deal.
I've already pulled the probes out once, I definitely don't want to do this
again!
Thanks for the insight...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Replacing Fuel Level Senders... |
| From: | Bill Lull <wlull(at)cox.net> |
Matt,
I have removed each tank from my flying RV-7A with little trouble other than
a bit of scuffing on the arms. I installed my floats in back of the second
bay because I have floptubes so I don't know if you can install in place or
not. The tanks came off in under twenty minutes and back on in about the
same. Nothing to worry to much about.
I installed the floats using proseal as the rubber gaskets leaked and were
the reason I had to remove the tanks. I agree do it now before you paint.
Good luck and regards.
Bill Lull
RV7A N91WL
Flying!!!
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Well, okay, so I've resigned myself to replacing my Princeton capacitance
> fuel level probes with the standard S&W float probea from Van's. Has anyone
> replaced these without removing the wing or the fuel tank from the airplane?
> Basically just doing it from underneath the airplane through the gap
> afforded by the fuselage-to-wing fairing? Is this even possible?
>
> I know that it won't be possible to remove the Princeton units without
> destroying them, but can the S&W probes be installed? If I can do it
> without pulling the fuel tanks or wings off, then I might just tackle this
> sooner than later. But if the tanks have to come off, then I might
> procrastinate more and enjoy the great flying weather. That being said, I'm
> going in for paint in either August or October and it has to be complete
> before then either way.
>
> Arg, why couldn't those Princeton probes just work? Geeze, how much do you
> have to spend to get a product that works. How frustrating.
>
> So, how accurate are the bending dimensions on the Van's plans for the S&W
> float arms? I've got no way to test or trial fit these units so its a
> one-shot deal. I've already pulled the probes out once, I definitely don't
> want to do this again!
>
> Thanks for the insight...
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Update On RV-8 Princeton Fuel Probe Installation... |
Fellow RV'rs,
I am elated to report that last week I decided to try recalibrating the Princeton
fuel level probes in my RV-8 one last time before I began the arduous task
of replacing them with resistive float senders. I started with the right tank
and drained all of the fuel out, then entered calibration mode by applying power
to the unit with the button pressed. I then pressed the button once to indicate
the "empty" set point, then added exactly 5.5 Gallons, pressed the button,
etc., etc., until I'd added 21 gallons. During the whole process, the various
LED flashing patterns correctly matched the documented sequences based on
the stage of calibration. With a full tank, I went out and flew a little over
two hours at about 10 gallons per hour. During the flight, I carefully compared
the Priceton readings with the turbine fuel flow "fuel used" indicator which
has proven to be exceptionally accurate. As expected, the Pricetons reported
"Full" for the first 6 gallons or so because of the dihedral in the wing tank
and the fact that the probe is mounted at the root. Again, as expected, abruptly
the fuel level went from 21 to 15 gallons after about 6 gallons of burn
(or there abouts - sometimes both tanks seem to drop to around 18 then back
up to 21 during this first 6 gallons). From 15 to about 2 gallons, the Priceton's
reported a fuel level within 1 gallon of the flow meter's fuel used indicator!
Yahoo. I then repeated the whole calibration procedure exactly as before
but this time on the left tank and then went out and repeated the comparison
tests above on the left tank. I am even happier to report that again the calibration
of the left fuel level tracked the fuel flow meter's used amount within
1 gallon after the initial drop from 21 to 15 gallons after 6 gallons of burn.
I flew to about 4-5 gallons remaining on the left and right sides tonight
as reported by the fuel level meters and noted that the fuel flow meter's fuel
remaining coincided with a reported remaining of 10.3 gallons. I topped off
both tan!
ks and n
oted that both tanks then reported 21 gallons as expected.
So why didn't the first and second calibration attempts take? Who knows. All
that matters at this point is that they are both working and are exceptionally
accurate in the 15-0 gallon range which is where it counts. Oh, and that I don't
have to replace the probes! Yahoo.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor!
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| From: | Herb Feldman <hfaz(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Slick mag SB3-08 |
Are there any procedures out there for replacing the brush and cam to comply with
Slick Mab SB3-08 used on TMX 360? Also, any source for the parts?
Thanks Herb
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| From: | Franz Fux <franz(at)lastfrontierheli.com> |
Good Morning,
Can someone give me feed back regarding the 14v B&C alternator and external
regulator. I have had problems with the alternator supplied by Vans and I am
seriously considering switching to the other side (external). Any feed back
of some users of such system would be appreciated
Thanks
Franz RV7 450h
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Tires - Highest Quality...? |
Its almost time for a new set of tires on the 'ol RV-8. What are the very best
tires for the RV wheels? I'd like something that will last a little longer than
70 hours.
Thanks in advance for the feedback...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor...
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| From: | "Brian Meyette" <bmeyette(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | FS: RV-7A ~80% complete |
I've decided to sell my RV-7A project. It's just dragged on and on, and I've
lost interest in completing it. I have more interest in just flying my
Challenger II. I made 75 flights in it in 2009.
Engine is Subaru WRX STi 2.5 L supercharged. All the bugs are worked out of
the original Eggenfellner product. Most Eggenfellner-supplied components
have been replaced; SDS ECU, custom radiators, new wiring harness,
supercharger gearing. Engine runs great, and all it needs is probably some
more fine-tuning of the SDS ECU. John Moody in Australia has been flying his
awhile. Includes latest Gen3 rev 4 PSRU, installed. Includes MT7 electric
prop, installed.
Three EFIS systems installed - Blue Mountain "gold box" EFIS/One, GRT
Horizon, and Dynon D10. Blue Mountain AP installed. GRT EIS installed
Full Garmin stack trays installed & SL-30 included. Sandia TSOd encoder,
Tipup canopy completed but not final-installed.
Needs rear window installed, 1 panel each wing installed, top fuse panel
behind window and fwd of canopy installed (left out for wiring access). No
fiberglass work done.
Includes Advanced Flight Systems AoA, wig-wag HID lights, bulletproof
electrical system based on Bob Nuckolls' designs and Hyperion products, low
fuel warning, low coolant warning, fuel pressure warning, electric flaps,
electric trim, custom console, heater, Oregon Aero seats, Hooker harness,
Show Planes Flaps Positioning System, Infinity Aerospace grips, cabin
lighting, custom baggage compartment and other customizations (see my custom
page http://www.meyette.us/custom.htm ). Includes finishing kit and all
parts (except remaining Garmin components) to finish it. All gear mounted
and brakes installed. Van's front gear leg SB installed. Panel complete,
except Garmin wiring.
Empennage is done & final-installed. Flaps & ailerons all done. Wings not
installed.
And much more - this is a list off the top of my head of some of the main
components.
Entire project very extensively documented at
http://www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm
No effort or expense spared in doing everything RIGHT.
Only asking $45k for it - way less than cost and making the FWF essentially
FREE. Will also trade for an RV-12
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Okay, so I'm sure this has been asked a few times already, and I should search
the archive, but what the heck, let's start a new thread.
I got my new tires today (Goodyear Custom Flight III, btw. Super sweet.) and started
looking for ways to get them on. I can really only see two ways to jack
the plane up easily with a normal jack.
1) I could put a short saw horse under the wing tie down and then put a hydraulic
jack on it and lift the side of the airplane up by this point. If I just gently
lift the plane by hand at this point, it seems like that's an awful lot
of weight to be lifting that far out on the wing. Can the spars really handle
this?
2) I could put a saw horse under the lower engine mount bolt to the firewall and
use a hydraulic jack to lift the plane up. This seems less scary, but I question
the shear strength of the bolt lifting all of the weight by this single
point.
What's the convential wisdom on jacking a tail dragger RV-8 to change the tires?
There has to be a way with out building some elaborate dolphin contraption.
BTW, with regards to my tire wear, since there's a fair amount of camber(?) afforded
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