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October 20, 2007 - July 20, 2008
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Gray
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
>
>
>And that brings me to my pet peeve, and this will probably draw the ire
>of several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any center
>line military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the right hand
>and the throttle is in the left. As a result, the free hand is the left
>hand. Military designers try to lay out switches so the right hand NEVER
>has to leave the stick during periods of high work load.
>
>
>Jim
>
>
>Jim: I appreciate your viewpoint on control layout and I do not quarrel
>with it. That said, I am not persuaded by your argument. My -8 will
>resemble my -4 which has the com radio and transponder on the right along
>with exterior light switches. With the -4 it turns out that when I reach
>for a knob or switch with my right hand, somehow, as if by magic, my left
>hand is on the stick.Vice versaif necessary for urgent attention to
>throttle or prop. In panel center are GRT EFIS Sport above and Garmin 496
>below. TheTrio EZ pilot replaces the turn and slip.
>
>
>Gordon Comfort
>
>
>N363GC
>
>
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| From: | George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman(at)mts.net> |
| Subject: | Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge |
Has anyone had to enlarge the holes in the
fuselage where the aileron push tubes pass through?
I want to put in boots,but need to know if I might have to
enlarge the holes when wings are mounted.
RV-8 QB.
--
George H. Inman
ghinman(at)mts.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge |
There is plenty of room. Should be no need to enlarge.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Gregory" <sgregory(at)best.com> |
| Subject: | Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge |
Yes, I had to enlarge both sides. Used a Dremel. I did it when I was trial
fitting the ailerons, before the wings went on. Watch the movement from the
bellcrank to where it connects with the aileron.
Steve Gregory
RV-8QB
Livermore, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Inman 204
287 8334
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 7:08 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
Has anyone had to enlarge the holes in the
fuselage where the aileron push tubes pass through?
I want to put in boots,but need to know if I might have to
enlarge the holes when wings are mounted.
RV-8 QB.
--
George H. Inman
ghinman(at)mts.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV8a Electric Aileron Trim |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dear Fellow RV-8a Builders, I have the spring type trim setup, but have not installed
it yet. Good friend told me that most folks use the manual spring trim
if they are installing an auto pilot system and or use the electric trim system
if not. I do not plan to install an auto pilot so is the electric system really
recommended ? I have electric aileron trim on my present plane and I like
how?manageable and easy it is. Who has the electric trim without auto pilot in
their 8 and how does it compare to spring system ? Advantages/disadvantages?
Hope to hear from someone and best regards, Bill of Georgia
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Sent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 2:57 am
Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/21/07
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1. 03:01 AM - Re: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge (Steve Glasgow)
2. 10:04 AM - Re: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge (Steve Gregory)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
There is plenty of room. Should be no need to enlarge.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: "Steve Gregory" <sgregory(at)best.com>
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
Yes, I had to enlarge both sides. Used a Dremel. I did it when I was trial
fitting the ailerons, before the wings went on. Watch the movement from the
bellcrank to where it connects with the aileron.
Steve Gregory
RV-8QB
Livermore, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Inman 204
287 8334
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 7:08 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
Has anyone had to enlarge the holes in the
fuselage where the aileron push tubes pass through?
I want to put in boots,but need to know if I might have to
enlarge the holes when wings are mounted.
RV-8 QB.
--
George H. Inman
ghinman(at)mts.net
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| From: | Kirk&Laura Groves <groves(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8a Electric Aileron Trim |
I have the electric trim and love it, Its very easy to use on stick.
You don't have to move your hand off the stick.
go for the electric .
All the best
Kirk RV-8
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 22, 2007, at 4:05 PM, japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
> Dear Fellow RV-8a Builders, I have the spring type trim setup, but
> have not installed it yet. Good friend told me that most folks use
> the manual spring trim if they are installing an auto pilot system
> and or use the electric trim system if not. I do not plan to install
> an auto pilot so is the electric system really recommended ? I have
> electric aileron trim on my present plane and I like how manageable
> and easy it is. Who has the electric trim without auto pilot in
> their 8 and how does it compare to spring system ? Advantages/
> disadvantages? Hope to hear from someone and best regards, Bill of
> Georgia
>
>
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> 1. 03:01 AM - Re: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge (Steve
> Glasgow)
> 2. 10:04 AM - Re: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge (Steve
> Gregory)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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> From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
>
>
> There is plenty of room. Should be no need to enlarge.
>
> Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> N123SG RV-8
> Cappy's Toy
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Steve Gregory" <sgregory(at)best.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
>
>
> Yes, I had to enlarge both sides. Used a Dremel. I did it when I
> was trial
> fitting the ailerons, before the wings went on. Watch the movement
> from the
> bellcrank to where it connects with the aileron.
>
> Steve Gregory
> RV-8QB
> Livermore, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
> Inman 204
> 287 8334
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 7:08 PM
> Subject: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
>
>
> Has anyone had to enlarge the holes in the
> fuselage where the aileron push tubes pass through?
> I want to put in boots,but need to know if I might have to
> enlarge the holes when wings are mounted.
> RV-8 QB.
>
> --
>
> George H. Inman
> ghinman(at)mts.net
>
>
> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8a Electric Aileron Trim |
Same for me. Get the electric aileron trim.
I have both aileron and elevator trim on an Infinity stick coolie hat, to a
homebrew relay system. I'm very happy with the set up.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (350 hrs)
Dogwood Airpark (VA42)
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk&Laura Groves
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a Electric Aileron Trim
I have the electric trim and love it, Its very easy to use on stick. You
don't have to move your hand off the stick.
go for the electric .
All the best
Kirk RV-8
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 22, 2007, at 4:05 PM, japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
Dear Fellow RV-8a Builders, I have the spring type trim setup, but have not
installed it yet. Good friend told me that most folks use the manual spring
trim if they are installing an auto pilot system and or use the electric
trim system if not. I do not plan to install an auto pilot so is the
electric system really recommended ? I have electric aileron trim on my
present plane and I like how manageable and easy it is. Who has the electric
trim without auto pilot in their 8 and how does it compare to spring system
? Advantages/disadvantages? Hope to hear from someone and best regards, Bill
of Georgia
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Sent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 2:57 am
Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/21/07
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1. 03:01 AM - Re: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge (Steve Glasgow)
2. 10:04 AM - Re: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge (Steve Gregory)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: "Steve Glasgow" < <mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
There is plenty of room. Should be no need to enlarge.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
From: "Steve Gregory" < <mailto:sgregory(at)best.com> sgregory(at)best.com>
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
Yes, I had to enlarge both sides. Used a Dremel. I did it when I was trial
fitting the ailerons, before the wings went on. Watch the movement from the
bellcrank to where it connects with the aileron.
Steve Gregory
RV-8QB
Livermore, CA
-----Original Message-----
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owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Inman 204
287 8334
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 7:08 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
Has anyone had to enlarge the holes in the
fuselage where the aileron push tubes pass through?
I want to put in boots,but need to know if I might have to
enlarge the holes when wings are mounted.
RV-8 QB.
--
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ghinman(at)mts.net
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| From: | "Tom Schad" <schad(at)cooke.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8a Electric Aileron Trim |
I have electric aileron and elevator trim on my RV-8. I did something
different and mounted the elevator trim switch on the throttle. It has
worked out quite well and is in a handy place.
I would really suggest you install a autopilot while you are building.
It is much easier now than later. I thought that altitude hold was not
necessary until the first cross country. That is when I learned how
pitch sensitive the RV is while fighting with maps. I'm now in the
middle of adding altitude hold. Talk about one step forward and six
backwards.
Tom Schad RV-8 N558TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Froehlich
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8a Electric Aileron Trim
Same for me. Get the electric aileron trim.
I have both aileron and elevator trim on an Infinity stick coolie hat,
to a homebrew relay system. I'm very happy with the set up.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (350 hrs)
Dogwood Airpark (VA42)
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk&Laura
Groves
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 5:10 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a Electric Aileron Trim
I have the electric trim and love it, Its very easy to use on stick.
You don't have to move your hand off the stick.
go for the electric .
All the best
Kirk RV-8
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 22, 2007, at 4:05 PM, japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
Dear Fellow RV-8a Builders, I have the spring type trim setup, but
have not installed it yet. Good friend told me that most folks use the
manual spring trim if they are installing an auto pilot system and or
use the electric trim system if not. I do not plan to install an auto
pilot so is the electric system really recommended ? I have electric
aileron trim on my present plane and I like how manageable and easy it
is. Who has the electric trim without auto pilot in their 8 and how does
it compare to spring system ? Advantages/disadvantages? Hope to hear
from someone and best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: RV8-List Digest Server <rv8-list(at)matronics.com>
To: RV8-List Digest List
Sent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 2:57 am
Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/21/07
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Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge (Steve Glasgow) 2. 10:04 AM -
Re: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge (Steve Gregory)
________________________________ Message 1
"Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RV8-List: Aileron
pushtube holes in fuselauge There is plenty of room. Should be no need
to enlarge. Steve Glasgow-CappyN123SG RV-8Cappy's Toy
________________________________ Message 2
"Steve Gregory" Subject: RE: RV8-List: Aileron
pushtube holes in fuselauge Yes, I had to enlarge both sides. Used a
Dremel. I did it when I was trialfitting the ailerons, before the wings
went on. Watch the movement from thebellcrank to where it connects with
the aileron. Steve Gregory RV-8QBLivermore, CA -----Original
Message-----From:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of George Inman 204287 8334Sent: Saturday, October 20,
2007 7:08 PMSubject: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
Has anyone had to enlarge the holes in thefuselage where
the aileron push tubes pass through? I want to put in boots,but
need to know if I might have toenlarge the holes when wings are mounted.
RV-8 QB. -- George H. Inmanghinman(at)mts.net
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| Subject: | Re: RV8a Electric Aileron Trim |
Bill:
I have electric trim and am very happy with it. Flew the first couple of
years without autopilot but now have that also ... still love the electric trim
when not flying on autopilot.
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
595 hrs
In a message dated 10/22/2007 4:08:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
japhillipsga(at)aol.com writes:
Dear Fellow RV-8a Builders, I have the spring type trim setup, but have not
installed it yet. Good friend told me that most folks use the manual spring
trim if they are installing an auto pilot system and or use the electric trim
system if not. I do not plan to install an auto pilot so is the electric
system really recommended ? I have electric aileron trim on my present plane and
I like how manageable and easy it is. Who has the electric trim without auto
pilot in their 8 and how does it compare to spring system ?
Advantages/disadvantages? Hope to hear from someone and best regards, Bill of
Georgia
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Sent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 2:57 am
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1. 03:01 AM - Re: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge (Steve Glasgow)
2. 10:04 AM - Re: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge (Steve Gregory)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: "Steve Glasgow" <_willfly(at)carolina.rr.com_
(mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com) >
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
There is plenty of room. Should be no need to enlarge.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
From: "Steve Gregory" <_sgregory(at)best.com_ (mailto:sgregory(at)best.com) >
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
Yes, I had to enlarge both sides. Used a Dremel. I did it when I was trial
fitting the ailerons, before the wings went on. Watch the movement from the
bellcrank to where it connects with the aileron.
Steve Gregory
RV-8QB
Livermore, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: _owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com)
[_mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com?) ] On Behalf Of George Inman 204
287 8334
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 7:08 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Aileron pushtube holes in fuselauge
Has anyone had to enlarge the holes in the
fuselage where the aileron push tubes pass through?
I want to put in boots,but need to know if I might have to
enlarge the holes when wings are mounted.
RV-8 QB.
--
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Fuel Vent lines |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Rv-8 fellows, I'm working on my plumbing, fuel and brake. The plans shows the end
of the vent tubing out the floor and bent forward. Is there a particular important
reason why the drip end is pointed forward as opposed to to the rear ?
I think I saw a couple RVs at Sun n Fun with the tubes rearward. Second question:
The plans shows the brake lines going to the landing gear weldment and exit
down at the leg. What have you all done in the past ? ?Make a separate hole
in the floor near the weldment that you can snap in a plastic sleeve for friction
protection or enlarge the gear hole and run it out against the steel leg
? Thanks ahead of time and best regards, Bill of Georgia?
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| From: | Skylor Piper <skylor4(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Fuel Vent lines |
Hello Bill,
Regarding the vents: I assume that the vents are
pointed forward to insure that the fuel tanks have
slight positive pressure in them when in flight, vs a
possible vacuum if the vents were pointed aft. In
addition, pointing the vents aft may cause a little
siphoning of fuel out of the vents.
Regarding brake lines: On my RV-8, the way I plumbed
the brake lines was strictly per plans; run the lines
from the brake fitting bracket out to the landing gear
towers along the bottom edge of the rear baggage
compartment bulkhead, and into the middle lightening
hole in the landing gear "towers". From there the
brake lines run down to the bottom of the towers where
they attach to bulkhead elbows that penetrate the
fuselage bottom (inside the gear towers). The
location for this is identified in the plans.
I have attached a picture where you can see left brake
line run inside the fuselage.
Skylor
RV-8 QB
Under construction
N808SJ
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> Rv-8 fellows, I'm working on my plumbing, fuel and
> brake. The plans shows the end of the vent tubing
> out the floor and bent forward. Is there a
> particular important reason why the drip end is
> pointed forward as opposed to to the rear ? I think
> I saw a couple RVs at Sun n Fun with the tubes
> rearward. Second question: The plans shows the brake
> lines going to the landing gear weldment and exit
> down at the leg. What have you all done in the past
> ? ?Make a separate hole in the floor near the
> weldment that you can snap in a plastic sleeve for
> friction protection or enlarge the gear hole and run
> it out against the steel leg ? Thanks ahead of time
> and best regards, Bill of Georgia?
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Fuel Vent lines |
When building my RV-8A there were reports of RVs having forced landings
or
collapsed fuel tanks caused by clogged vent lines, typically mud
daubers. I
read a couple of articles on aircraft vent lines and the clear
recommendation was to not have a vent line smaller than 3/8=94.
I ended up transitioning from =BC to 3/8 inch line about 10 inches
before the
vent line exited the bottom of the fuselage. For the portion sticking
out
in the wind, I cut the end of the 3/8=94 tubing at a 45 degree angle and
then
epoxied (JB Weld) a piece of aluminum window screen over the 45 degree
bevel. Once the epoxy was set I smoothed out the edges on a scotch
bright
wheel. The bevel faces into the wind to provide a positive pressure on
the
vent line, as is standard.
The 3/8=94 tubing is big enough to allow for attaching the window screen
and
the window screen eliminates the mud dauber problem.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (360 hrs)
Dogwood Airpark (VA-42)
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Rv-8 fellows, I'm working on my plumbing, fuel and brake. The plans
shows
the end of the vent tubing out the floor and bent forward. Is there a
particular important reason why the drip end is pointed forward as
opposed
to to the rear ? I think I saw a couple RVs at Sun n Fun with the tubes
rearward. Second question: The plans shows the brake lines going to the
landing gear weldment and exit down at the leg. What have you all done
in
the past ? Make a separate hole in the floor near the weldment that you
can
snap in a plastic sleeve for friction protection or enlarge the gear
hole
and run it out against the steel leg ? Thanks ahead of time and best
regards, Bill of Georgia
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Bill,
On my pre-punched RV-8a the plans call for a 45 degree bulkhead fitting in
the hole in the landing gear weldment. The fitting goes in from the bottom
with the nut up at the weldment. Orient the 45 degree fitting so that it
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Rv-8 fellows, I'm working on my plumbing, fuel and brake. The plans shows
the end of the vent tubing out the floor and bent forward. Is there a
particular important reason why the drip end is pointed forward as opposed
to to the rear ? I think I saw a couple RVs at Sun n Fun with the tubes
rearward. Second question: The plans shows the brake lines going to the
landing gear weldment and exit down at the leg. What have you all done in
the past ? Make a separate hole in the floor near the weldment that you can
snap in a plastic sleeve for friction protection or enlarge the gear hole
and run it out against the steel leg ? Thanks ahead of time and best
regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Wing root faring at bottom |
What did some of you builders do where the
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fuselage to the wing?
The holes provided in the wing root faring do not seem to
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 Canopy Gluing procedure |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dear RV builders, I down loaded the Eric Wolf procedure for gluing the canopy to
the frame for RV-8 using Sikaflex. Looks like it may be a good option to rivets
and screws. Question is if you not riveting through the canopy to the steel
frame behind it how do you mount the fiberglass canopy side skins? Do you glue
them on as well ? Hope to hear from you all, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Canopy Gluing procedure |
Bill of Georgia,
After cracking one canopy I decided against pop-rivets. If just one pulls
out of the frame and expands in the canopy it cracks. What we did on our second
one, which I don't know if it is right, is to drill the canopy to the frame,
fit and drill the skirt to the canopy holes (marked by a reference line on
tape to match drill them), expand the holes in the canopy to allow for thermal
expansion, apply the canopy with sikaflex and clecos holding it in place
until it dries and then screw the skirt on (thru the canopy and into the frame)
with flathead screws. We put the screws in a little countersunk to the skirt
and then put a thin layer of very fine fiberglass over the screws so they
will not show cracks in the paint later as many do. Also, if you use a little
excess sikaflex and then drag over it with a popsicle stick on the edges it
make for a beautiful finish. The excess that pushes to the side pulls off
easily once it dries a little since it has a rubbery texture. Does that make
sense? Ours turned out nice. Also, for cutting the canopy, I used one of the
dremel diamond disks from Lowe's (the one with holes in it like swiss cheese).
It
was expensive but worth it...much better and more controlable than the
original large disk I used on the first canopy.I've used it for awhile now on
other
things like the cowling and it has not worn out.
Dennis of Texas
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| From: | Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Canopy Gluing procedure |
Hey Bill,
I glued my skirts to the frame and the canopy. I used small pieces of gard
en hose for spacers; use the thinnest hose you can find. I then clamped th
e canopy in place and tack glued it to the frame. I then taped out the are
a I didn't want the glue to go and finsih glued the rest. I didi the same
with the skirts clamping and taping them in place. I did the canopy all in
one piece after it was clamped, by climbing thru the fwd. baggage compartm
ent. It came out very nice and I have no fear of cracking like my friend w
ho riveted his. Write me back at rice737(at)msn.com if you would like more in
fo. If you would like to speak we can exchange numbers then.
Paul Rice
RV8
N64PR
40 hours and loving it
eDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:14:26 -0400From: japhillipsga(at)aol.comDear RV buil
ders, I down loaded the Eric Wolf procedure for gluing the canopy to the fr
ame for RV-8 using Sikaflex. Looks like it may be a good option to rivets a
nd screws. Question is if you not riveting through the canopy to the steel
frame behind it how do you mount the fiberglass canopy side skins? Do you g
lue them on as well ? Hope to hear from you all, Best regards, Bill of Geor
gia
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| From: | JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Canopy Gluing procedure |
Dennis, so if I understand, you drill holes for the skirt through the canopy,
enlarged them so there would be no chance for expansion cracks, then used
screws to attach the skirts to the steel frame under the canopy? Could you have
used pull rivets to attach them without effecting the canopy ? You wouldn't by
any chance have a photo or two just laying about you could send ? And this saw
blade, did you use it on a Drimmal or air tool? Got any idea the part number
? Lastly, I'm still trying to figure out exactly where the brake lines are
supposed to exit the fuselage for a 8A. You wouldn't be building an 8A and have
a
photo of that as well ? I know I'm an info sponge, but I promise if I ever
learn anything or know anything about this plane I'll pass it on to the next
info sponge. Best regards, Bill
PS: Sorry for you and your first canopy.
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Canopy Gluing procedure |
Hi Bill,
No...our canopy skirt is on the outside of the canopy like everyone elses.
What we did was to place a piece of tape (masking...electrical can stain it)
coming up from the hole drilled in the canopy. A line is drawn on the tape
leading to the hole. A mark is made on the line exactly 2 inches from the hole
(or one inch, as long as you know the distance). You can then mark it on the
skirt as you're hold it on the canopy by projecting the now partially covered
line 2 inches to mark the skirt where the hole would lie under it. Hard to
describe unless you see it but it works great. We started with small holes and
then expanded them. The problem we had originally was a rivet expanded in the
plexiglass after it was unable to get a grip in the hole we drilled in the
frame.
I don't know the drimmel part number (discarded box) but it is about a 1 1/4
inch diam disk that comes already attached to a mandrel. It has holes in it
around the perimeter of the disk. It was very expensive ($20 ish) but is very
durable. It was made by drimmel.
Hope that helps!
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 Canopy Gluing procedure |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dennis, I'm sorry I just can't picture what you did. I thought with the glue you
did not drill any holes in the canopy? But you can certainly drill and screw
or pull rivet the bottom of the skirt to the frame. Did you just glue the top
edge of the skirt to the outside of the canopy ? I'm a bit confused. Maybe I
could visualize it with a photo. Thanks, Bill?
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From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 9:21 am
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8 Canopy Gluing procedure
Hi Bill,
?
No...our canopy skirt is on the outside of the canopy like everyone elses. What
we did was to place a piece of tape (masking...electrical can stain it) coming
up from the hole drilled in the canopy. A line is drawn on the tape leading
to the hole. A mark is made on the?line exactly 2 inches from?the hole?(or one
inch, as long as you know the distance). You can then mark it on the skirt as
you're hold it on the canopy by projecting the now partially covered line 2 inches
to mark the skirt where the hole would lie under it. Hard to describe unless
you see it but it works great. We started with small holes and then expanded
them. The problem we had originally was a?rivet expanded in the plexiglass
after it was unable to get a grip in the hole we drilled in the frame.
?
I don't know the drimmel part number (discarded box) but it is about a ?1 1/4 inch
diam disk that comes already attached to a mandrel. It has holes in it around
the perimeter of the disk. It was very expensive ($20 ish) but is very durable.
It was made by drimmel.
?
Hope that helps!
?
Dennis
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Canopy Gluing procedure |
I'll send you a private message with my phone number. There's lots of ways
to do this and mind isn't the only way.
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| Subject: | Re: RV8- Parking Brake Valve |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
RV-8 & 8A builders, has anyone modified the brake system to include a parking brake
valve? I put one in my 601XL and would not have a plane without one. Problem
with the 8 I'm building is right
where the valve should be logically is split by the forward baggage compartment
floor. Anybody
affixed it somewhere else ? Also, Van's is selling a parking valve. Looks to be
the same one Spruce
lists at $ 109.00, somewhat less than Van. Hope to hear from you, Bill of Georgia
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It is a great service to us!
Kevin C.
The list is a wonderful resource...
Ralph O.
[The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in
building my RV-9A and now my RV-10.
Albert G.
..a valuable and always improving service.
Dick S.
STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!!
Owen B.
..such a valuable tool.
Jon M.
[The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me
as a Zenith homebuilder.
David G.
The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other
interesting builders and to make some new friends is
truly appreciated.
Albert G.
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: RV8- Parking Brake Valve |
| From: | "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com> |
Various people have done it. I'll be using the same method(-ish) as
Kevin...
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/article.php?story=Parking_Brake_Valve
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 5:06 a.m.
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8- Parking Brake Valve
RV-8 & 8A builders, has anyone modified the brake system to include a
parking brake valve? I put one in my 601XL and would not have a plane
without one. Problem with the 8 I'm building is right
where the valve should be logically is split by the forward baggage
compartment floor. Anybody
affixed it somewhere else ? Also, Van's is selling a parking valve.
Looks to be the same one Spruce
lists at $ 109.00, somewhat less than Van. Hope to hear from you, Bill
of Georgia
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| From: | "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Safety-Trim servo controller |
Fellow RV Builders,
This is a cross posted message to make you aware of an important new
product for our RV's. I'm an RV-10 Builder and normally post on that
email list, however this product applies to all RVs.
TCW Technologies has introduced a series of new electronic servo
controllers specifically designed for the Ray Allen series of trim
servos used in our RV aircraft. This new series of controllers is
called Safety-Trim and provides many features not previously available.
Safety-Trim prevents trim run-away conditions by providing a
time limited servo operation with each activation of a trim switch.
Safety-Trim additionally provides speed control and simplified
trim switch wiring.
Safety-Trim works on both 12 and 24 volt systems and is short
circuit and reverse polarity protected.
Additionally, models are available that provide 2 speed preset
operation of the trim system. Allowing fast responding trim at slow
airspeeds and slow responding trim at cruise airspeeds.
To learn all about this innovative new product please visit
www.tcwtech.com
Thank you,
Bob Newman RV-10 40176
TCW Technologies
rnewman(at)tcwtech.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Chappell" <chuck456(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8- Parking Brake Valve |
We made a brace to mount on the bottom of the baggage floor and attach to
the same bulkheads and braces as the floor. We did this after the fact.
(everything already installed) Worked well only we had to change the lengths
of the brake lines because there connection points moved several inches.
Chuck Chappell
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8- Parking Brake Valve
RV-8 & 8A builders, has anyone modified the brake system to include a
parking brake valve? I put one in my 601XL and would not have a plane
without one. Problem with the 8 I'm building is right
where the valve should be logically is split by the forward baggage
compartment floor. Anybody
affixed it somewhere else ? Also, Van's is selling a parking valve. Looks to
be the same one Spruce
lists at $ 109.00, somewhat less than Van. Hope to hear from you, Bill of
Georgia
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0. 12:23 AM - What Listers Are Saying... (Matt Dralle)
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RV8-List: What Listers Are Saying...
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been
sending
some
really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below.
The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills
for
new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support
of the List members.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of
the
List
and Forums:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying ===============
Flying and building is much safer with this List!!
Robert D.
Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to
all of us builders and flyers.
Wayne E.
Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising!
Peter J.
..a great resource!!
Robert C.
Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right
up to date with what's going on.
Chris D.
The web forum has been running great.
James O.
I enjoy this [List] site very much...
Paul C.
This is a great list!
Albert G.
..a valuable resource!
Roger C.
I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able
to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions
helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind!
Gregory C.
..fantastic service!
Roger M.
..clearly a work of passion!
Mike C.
It is a great service to us!
Kevin C.
The list is a wonderful resource...
Ralph O.
[The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in
building my RV-9A and now my RV-10.
Albert G.
..a valuable and always improving service.
Dick S.
STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!!
Owen B.
..such a valuable tool.
Jon M.
[The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me
as a Zenith homebuilder.
David G.
The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other
interesting builders and to make some new friends is
truly appreciated.
Albert G.
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<http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=A
OLAOF00020000000970> !
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| From: | "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety-Trim servo controller |
Bob, I'm all for free enterprise, but it sounds like you're hawking a
product that competes with a Matronics product. Is that acccurate?
And, if so, isn't it ... uh ... a bit presumptuous to post this
announcement on the Matronics bulletin board?
Just asking, that's all ...
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob-tcw
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:23 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Safety-Trim servo controller
Fellow RV Builders,
This is a cross posted message to make you aware of an important
new product for our RV's. I'm an RV-10 Builder and normally post on
that email list, however this product applies to all RVs.
TCW Technologies has introduced a series of new electronic servo
controllers specifically designed for the Ray Allen series of trim
servos used in our RV aircraft. This new series of controllers is
called Safety-Trim and provides many features not previously available.
Safety-Trim prevents trim run-away conditions by providing a
time limited servo operation with each activation of a trim switch.
Safety-Trim additionally provides speed control and simplified
trim switch wiring.
Safety-Trim works on both 12 and 24 volt systems and is short
circuit and reverse polarity protected.
Additionally, models are available that provide 2 speed preset
operation of the trim system. Allowing fast responding trim at slow
airspeeds and slow responding trim at cruise airspeeds.
To learn all about this innovative new product please visit
www.tcwtech.com
Thank you,
Bob Newman RV-10 40176
TCW Technologies
rnewman(at)tcwtech.com
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| From: | "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
Don, I don't believe I'm being presumptuous. Although, Safety-Trim
and the Matronics Governor both control trim servo's I believe there are
significant differences between the two products and fellow RV builders
have been quite interested in our new product. Safety-trim offers 2
speed adjustable preset control of up to two servos as well as run-away
trim protection. I hope you and other builders will take a look at
the products we have to offer.
Respectfully,
Bob Newman
www.tcwtech.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
Dear Listers,
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! Implemented for the first
time last year, the Matronics system selectively sends out the Contribution
messages to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't
you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
I wanted to implement something like this for a number of years, but it was
always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that
I just kept putting it off. Finally last year, I just decided to bite the bullet
and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam!
A working system!
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to
pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
up. I run ALL of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Please note the following regarding the selective posting system. There are certain
circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message.
These situations include if someone replies to one of the messages, or when
using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
Since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way
to filter them.]
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| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
I am going to be in LAS next week on business. I would love to hook up with
a local rver, maybe for a ride, or just to look at airplanes, whatever.
Al Grajek
RV8
LEX
859-361-9460
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam... |
Dear Listers,
Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were
pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate
messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good
news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists
thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter.
The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday
and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit
sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog
cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering.
A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great
and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back
to "normal".
There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send
out a follow up post mortem on the event...
November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me
to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that
garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Paul Trotter <ptrotter(at)acm.org> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8- Parking Brake Valve |
I planned to put my Matco parking brake valve in similar to Kevin's, but
as Kevin mentioned, the direction of the control cable would be
backwards if the cable came from the top as it would pretty much have
to. Grove Aircraft just came out with a new parking brake valve similar
to the Cleveland or Matco valve however the control arm can be clocked
in 4 positions allowing you to get it so that you can pull the arm from
the top to close it. I'm replacing my MAtco Valve with Grove's.
Paul Trotter
Jeff Preou wrote:
>
> Various people have done it. Ill be using the same method(-ish) as Kevin
>
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/article.php?story=Parking_Brake_Valve
>
> --
>
> Jeff Preou
>
> Hamilton, New Zealand
>
> *From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *japhillipsga(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Friday, 9 November 2007 5:06 a.m.
> *To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV8-List: Re: RV8- Parking Brake Valve
>
>
> RV-8 & 8A builders, has anyone modified the brake system to include a parking
brake valve? I put one in my 601XL and would not have a plane without one. Problem
with the 8 I'm building is right
>
>
> where the valve should be logically is split by the forward baggage compartment
floor. Anybody
>
>
> affixed it somewhere else ? Also, Van's is selling a parking valve. Looks to
be the same one Spruce
>
>
> lists at $ 109.00, somewhat less than Van. Hope to hear from you, Bill of Georgia
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8- Parking Brake Valve |
| From: | "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com> |
Hey thanks for that Paul. I'll check that out and probably go that way
too. Glad I didn't buy the Matco now...
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Trotter
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 4:50 p.m.
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8- Parking Brake Valve
I planned to put my Matco parking brake valve in similar to Kevin's, but
as Kevin mentioned, the direction of the control cable would be
backwards if the cable came from the top as it would pretty much have
to. Grove Aircraft just came out with a new parking brake valve similar
to the Cleveland or Matco valve however the control arm can be clocked
in 4 positions allowing you to get it so that you can pull the arm from
the top to close it. I'm replacing my MAtco Valve with Grove's.
Paul Trotter
Jeff Preou wrote:
>
> Various people have done it. I'll be using the same method(-ish) as
Kevin...
>
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/article.php?story=Parking_Brake_Valve
>
> --
>
> Jeff Preou
>
> Hamilton, New Zealand
>
> *From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *japhillipsga(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Friday, 9 November 2007 5:06 a.m.
> *To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV8-List: Re: RV8- Parking Brake Valve
>
>
> RV-8 & 8A builders, has anyone modified the brake system to include a
parking brake valve? I put one in my 601XL and would not have a plane
without one. Problem with the 8 I'm building is right
>
>
> where the valve should be logically is split by the forward baggage
compartment floor. Anybody
>
>
> affixed it somewhere else ? Also, Van's is selling a parking valve.
Looks to be the same one Spruce
>
>
> lists at $ 109.00, somewhat less than Van. Hope to hear from you, Bill
of Georgia
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russell Lassetter" <rblassett(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Construction/Restoration |
Hello all,
I would like to offer my aircraft construction/restoration services to the
group. I have a 40' X 60' hangar in NE Georgia and have a lifetime of
experience with various aircraft. I can construct large projects for $15.00
per hour with first-class workmanship. Please email me directly or give me
a call.
Russ Lassetter
202 Aviation Blvd.
Cleveland, GA 30528
706-348-7514
rblassett(at)alltel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | VS Skin Question |
Greetings:
I have an "older" Emhennage Kit (with an older Dwg 6PP
for the VS) and just saw a "newer" Dwg 6 for the Vert
Stabilizer. Where the VS Skin meets the 2 bottom Ribs
(VS-705 and VS-704), it says - "Leave open for
empennage fairing attach ....." Are these 6 places
(each side of VS Skin) dimpled for nutplates or what
???? Otherwords what should I do to these 6 places
while building the VS, if anything ??? Do not have
the "newer instructions" that explain what goes on at
these places.
Thanks for your help, Garey
Be a better pen pal.
Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
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| From: | David Thomas <flightlogic(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | VS Skin Question |
Gary,
I built the older emmpanage and put in nut plates on both sides. I'm not
sure if it's right yet because I haven't got to the point where the fairing
is placed.
David Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:51 AM
Subject: RV8-List: VS Skin Question
Greetings:
I have an "older" Emhennage Kit (with an older Dwg 6PP
for the VS) and just saw a "newer" Dwg 6 for the Vert
Stabilizer. Where the VS Skin meets the 2 bottom Ribs
(VS-705 and VS-704), it says - "Leave open for
empennage fairing attach ....." Are these 6 places
(each side of VS Skin) dimpled for nutplates or what
???? Otherwords what should I do to these 6 places
while building the VS, if anything ??? Do not have
the "newer instructions" that explain what goes on at
these places.
Thanks for your help, Garey
Be a better pen pal.
Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.
http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | VS Skin Question |
I am mounting the tail fairing among other things before moving my extremely
slow built RV8 to a hanger for final assembly and yes, I am getting close.
I must have a 'really' old 6pp because mine makes no mention of leaving open
spots for the fairing. Pity, as Drawing 43 clearly shows where I need to
mount the fairing.
No matter, as (sneak peak) the fairing will attach (dwg 43) with 509-8r8
screws into k1000-08 nutplates mounted to those locations. You will fit the
fairing to your assembled tail section and drill through the fairing (it is
somewhat translucent) through the VS or HS, deburr, and then mount the
nutplates. This is most easily accomplished by having NOT done anything
prior. So...
I would recommend you do nothing to those spots until instructed to do so in
the plans which I believe is the finish kit.
Regards,
Vince H.
RV8 - Finish
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:51 AM
Subject: RV8-List: VS Skin Question
Greetings:
I have an "older" Emhennage Kit (with an older Dwg 6PP
for the VS) and just saw a "newer" Dwg 6 for the Vert
Stabilizer. Where the VS Skin meets the 2 bottom Ribs
(VS-705 and VS-704), it says - "Leave open for
empennage fairing attach ....." Are these 6 places
(each side of VS Skin) dimpled for nutplates or what
???? Otherwords what should I do to these 6 places
while building the VS, if anything ??? Do not have
the "newer instructions" that explain what goes on at
these places.
Thanks for your help, Garey
Be a better pen pal.
Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.
http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from
the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the
non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once
a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped
off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that
allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can
be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a number of
file formats including pictures and PDFs.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files (http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share ( http://wiki.matronics.com ).
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year, accounting
for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting
a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving
a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a
while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their
Contributions in support of the Lists this year. Please make your Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services.
Remember, there is _no advertising budget_ to keep these Lists funded. It is
solely through your generosity that they continue.
Please make a Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
------------------------------What Listers Are Saying------------------------------
The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701.
George R
Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us
to gather and share knowledge.
Neal G
What a fantastic resource!
Ralph C
It's a pretty cheep troubleshooting tool with and unlimited
resource of personal knowledge.
Bruce G
A full house of Info & Ideas...
Ellery B
I really enjoy the Piet list.
Steven D
The Lists are an indispensable resource for those of us
building OBAM aircraft.
Bret S
..a great service.
Frank D
..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific
questions.
Richard S
Your list has really helped me in my first build.
Michael W
Always a pleasure to support this great resource...
Richard W
I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial.
Bob L
Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers.
Ellery B
Your lists are a great service to builders and owners!
Richard D
A real good place for someone that is starting to get
interested into flying without investing any money at
first.
Ellery B
The list has been an great help to my building process.
David B
I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and
the Zenith List.
Jeff D
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | FAR 91.205 Requirements for Whiskey Compass |
Regards Whiskey Compass. FAR for VFR Day only, says a "Magnetic Direction
Indicator" is required.
No where does it say independent, mechanical or non electric.
If you have a Magnetometer or EFIS that provides Magnetic Direction
Information I would say you are OK.
If your EFS only provides TRK you may have a problem.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
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| From: | "Greg" <greg(at)itmack.com> |
| Subject: | Forward baggage shelf maintenance |
A question for those who flying and maintaining there RV8. How often if
ever do you remove the forward baggage shelf?
I ask because I have made a bracket to mount the park brake but have
just realised I would need undo the brake line to remove it and release
the baggage shelf from the park brake bracket.
Should I redesign it or move on?
Thanks
Greg 82070
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Forward baggage shelf maintenance |
My 8A has been flying for 5 years. I had the forward baggage shelf out
twice.
I mounted my parking brake vertically on the bulkhead aft of the baggage
shelf. I used two pieces of 0.040 x3/4" angle as brackets such that the
parking brake valve extended below the bulkhead. This made plumbing much
easier and does not interfere with removing the shelf.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (375 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
Dogwood Airpark (VA42)
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:19 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Forward baggage shelf maintenance
A question for those who flying and maintaining there RV8. How often if
ever do you remove the forward baggage shelf?
I ask because I have made a bracket to mount the park brake but have just
realised I would need undo the brake line to remove it and release the
baggage shelf from the park brake bracket.
Should I redesign it or move on?
Thanks
Greg 82070
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published Dec |
1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all?
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during that time, along with some embedded system
development as well.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a quad-processor Xeon Linux server for
List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the email processing
List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage
disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based
backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage! This entire system is protected
by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that
assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking
of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One
month last Summer, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. Last year I added another rack to
house the MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the first
rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It is
supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
There are some great gifts available with qualifying Contribution levels too!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Matt et al:
I receive the RV-8 list (and others) in digest format. Over the last month
or so, there have been several days (4? 5?) that the rv-8 digest has not
come through, while the others have come through just fine. Has anyone
else experienced this, or anything like it? Is there a problem with my
account, or some problem with the server?
Tnx-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Matt et al:
I receive the RV-8 list (and others) in digest format. Over the last month
or so, there have been several days (4? 5?) that the rv-8 digest has not
come through, while the others have come through just fine. Has anyone
else experienced this, or anything like it? Is there a problem with my
account, or some problem with the server?
Tnx-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow! A Ton of Comments! |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their List Support
Contributions lately! I've shared a bunch more below. Please read over
some of them and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
There are just a couple more days left before the official end of this year's Fund
Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
and operation of these services.
There are still lots of awesome gifts available, so browse the extensive selection
and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
In the big picture, you are most certainly saving lives.
The fact that you do it at a very good level of service,
quality, and simplicity is just icing on the cake. We
all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Bruce M
Can't go a single day without reading my lists. Even
when I am overseas.
Terry W
Best list ever. No comparison.
Johann J
I get the digest for the two lists I subscribe to each
morning -- they go great with my coffee! I can't tell
you how much I've learned from this great service...
Mark S
..great lists, best on the Net!
Robert S
It is very nice to enjoy a SPAM free list.
Ken L
You run a great list. Makes a builder feel like there's
lots of help out there for the asking, and it's
appreciated.
Steve T
The list is a very valuable resource.
Thomas S
You run a good list.
James G
Thanks for a great forum.
Jimmy Y
Thanks for a well-maintained list(s).
Michael M
Great job! Worth every penny!
Stephen T
Helps me learn and think about issues I didn't know I
didn't know.
Martin H
I find the list very useful...
Robert F
What you do provides me with daily contact with a passion
of my life, aviation.
Wendell M
..the list it is very valuable information.
Dwayne H
..a great service to homebuilders.
Andrew H
I have learned quite a lot from reading the Forums. I
have been reading at the forum pages and I like the way
it works.
Ron L
[The List] makes a builder feel like there's lots of
help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated.
Steve T
The list service many purposes, not the least of which is
motivation to join my fellow RVer in completing my project
and getting in the air.
John S
Thanks for running a great site. Its simplicity is its
greatness. Don't know how I would have been successful
without it.
Timothy F
..terrific service to experimental and general aviation.
James F
You have a well run operation. I am happy to support what
you do.
Mark S
A wonderful service to the GA community.
David M
Great list - let's keep it ad-free!
Ben C
They have been of great help, learning and friendship
for all the members Worldwide. Great job of yours, a
little idea that grew really big and wonderful.
Gary G
..a thoroughly enjoyable and informative List.
John W
A GREAT LEARNING TOOL!!
Dwayne Y
This is a very well-run list and it is a valuable resource
for the Pietenpol enthusiast.
Graham H
Thanks for running this great site - helps those of
us on the east of the pond keep in touch.
Malcolm H
Thanks for the major contribution to my continuing
education program.
Oldbob S
I'm just getting started in the building process & find
Matronics to be the most valuable site.
Scott D
Without the information and encouragement from the listers
my project would have been sitting in the corner of my shop
collecting dust long ago. Now it's almost ready for final
assemble and covering.
Edward G
Great List. No Ads, just RV-10 builders. Keep it
going.
Rick E
Wonderful source of info for building & flying...
Graham H
The Yak-list is a superb single source to get answers to
questions on the operation of these aircraft.
Craig W
This list is valuable to everyone and your hard work is
very much appreciated.
Jim S
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all,
participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some
reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last
minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-)
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for
one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that
last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser!
If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available
this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it off, then
now is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists! Rather than the guy that,
er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-)
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone will feel the same.
The List Contribution page is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser underscores the great sentiments
people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on
the Contribution site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your
Contribution and get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution
web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2007 List of Contributors current
as of 12/6/07! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2007.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped
via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Safety-Trim Group Buy |
Dear Fellow RV Builders,
TCW Technologies and SteinAir are pleased to announce a group
buy is now available on our new servo trim controller. Safety-Trim is
an electronic trim servo controller that resolves the issues with
run-away trim conditions plus it provides 2 speed trim operation as well
as greatly simplified switch wiring.
For all the detail please follow this direct link:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478
Thank you,
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
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| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Gel Coated Fairings |
Greetings:
Have an "older" Emphennage Kit (circa 1999) that came
with Gel Coated F.G. Fairings.
1) Do the "newer" Kits from Vans still come with the
Gel Coated Fairings ?
2) My understanding from reading the Archieves is
that the Gel Coat is used over Polyester Resin F.G.
parts and not over Epoxy Resin F.G. Parts. Is this
true ?
3) Is it worth buying from Vans the "newer" NON Gel
Coated Fairings (assuming they come that way now) than
trying to work with the existing Gel Coated fairings
that I have ?
4) What is the purpose of the Gel Coat - mold release
?
5) What Grit / Method used - would you recommend to
take off the Gel Coat (and not digging into the F.G.
weave) ?
6) Is it recommended to remove ALL the Gel Coat down
to the F.G. weave so that any "flexing" of the F.G.
fairing will not crack any final Top Coat of paint in
the future ? [My Fairing on the TOP of the VS will be
removable for access to the VOR Antenna - should that
be necessary and could flex during removal and crack
the Top Coat of paint.]
7) Any helpful HINTS on getting a nice Fairing / Skin
edge line where the Fairing meets the Skin and still
keeping the Fairing removable ? [Will be using #6
Screws into Nutplates riveted to the F.G. Fairing]
Appreciate your helpful inputs,
Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Gel Coated Fairings |
Garey,
Yes to all.
I have a mixture of newer and older gel coated fairings. The newer ones
from Vans are epoxy and are not gel coated. I wish they had never gel coated
the old ones. I believe it was done to get a nice looking, smoother product,
but it ends up causing a lot more work and aggravation. The gel coat also
aids in mold release.
My old empennage fairing from Vans is not gel coated, but I bought a
Fairings, etc empennage fairing anyway and did not use the Van's one. All of
my tip
fairings are gel coated and we're grinding off all of the gel coat and
recovering with new glass and then sanding for hours to get something decent.
We
use a belt sander to remove the gel - grit about 60.
I don't believe you need to worry about the paint cracking on the VS
fairing. That fairing is somewhat stiff and flexing shouldn't be much of a problem.
I glassed in the trailing edge of all the tip fairings and that stiffened
them up even more. My upper tip fairing is removable also.
You can see how I did the tip fairings on my web site at _www.rv-8a.net_
(http://www.rv-8a.net) . Go to the 2007 page and scroll down to 24-27 Feb.
If you'll pay for shipping, you can have my Van's empennage fairing. It is
new as I received it and is not gel coated.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
Have an "older" Emphennage Kit (circa 1999) that came
with Gel Coated F.G. Fairings.
1) Do the "newer" Kits from Vans still come with the
Gel Coated Fairings ?
2) My understanding from reading the Archieves is
that the Gel Coat is used over Polyester Resin F.G.
parts and not over Epoxy Resin F.G. Parts. Is this
true ?
3) Is it worth buying from Vans the "newer" NON Gel
Coated Fairings (assuming they come that way now) than
trying to work with the existing Gel Coated fairings
that I have ?
4) What is the purpose of the Gel Coat - mold release
?
5) What Grit / Method used - would you recommend to
take off the Gel Coat (and not digging into the F.G.
weave) ?
6) Is it recommended to remove ALL the Gel Coat down
to the F.G. weave so that any "flexing" of the F.G.
fairing will not crack any final Top Coat of paint in
the future ? [My Fairing on the TOP of the VS will be
removable for access to the VOR Antenna - should that
be necessary and could flex during removal and crack
the Top Coat of paint.]
7) Any helpful HINTS on getting a nice Fairing / Skin
edge line where the Fairing meets the Skin and still
keeping the Fairing removable ? [Will be using #6
Screws into Nutplates riveted to the F.G. Fairing]
Appreciate your helpful inputs,
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| From: | "Blake Lewis" <blake.lewis(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | firewall to prop flange |
Does anyone know the distance from prop flange to firewall? I am
working on an engine mount design.
--
Blake C. Lewis
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| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Mounting Antenna - backing plate |
Hello,
I am mounting the comm. Antenna just aft of the right foot well and the
transponder blade antenna just aft of the baggage floor.
I would like to know if anyone installed their antennas in roughly these
same locations without backing plates and more importantly, without
problems?
Vince H.
Idaho
'Getting Close' (yep I said that last year)
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Mounting Antenna - backing plate |
I have mine in about this location, but with a backing plate (.032" if I
remember correctly). Not sure why you would not want to use a backing
plate.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (375 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Mounting Antenna - backing plate
Hello,
I am mounting the comm. Antenna just aft of the right foot well and the
transponder blade antenna just aft of the baggage floor.
I would like to know if anyone installed their antennas in roughly these
same locations without backing plates and more importantly, without
problems?
Vince H.
Idaho
'Getting Close' (yep I said that last year)
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| From: | "ed clegg" <edwclg(at)adelphia.net> |
I am completing my RV 8 that has a O-360-A1A , Ma 4-5 Carb and a Sens fixed
pitched prop purchased from Vans installed. I would like an idea of what
Static RPM I should be looking for?
Thanks ,
Ed Clegg
edwclg(at)gmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Ellis" <johnee(at)ldd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
Hi,
What is best tire pressure for RV-8?
Thanks,
John
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| From: | Kirk <groves(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
I use 32psi and have had good tire wear and handling with it
Kirk
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 27, 2008, at 12:57 PM, "John Ellis" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> What is best tire pressure for RV-8?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
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| From: | "Vincent S. Himsl" <vhimsl(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Mounting RV8 - F-827c flap fairing after the floor is installed |
Fef: F-827c Dwgs 28 and 43 mounting flap fairing views DD and EE
Hello,
I permanently installed the floors thinking I had everything covered. Not quite,
seems those seven holes on the bottom of the fuselage that have been staring
back at me for several years belong to the flap fairing and I now cannot access
them from inside the fuselage.
Removing the floor is not an option so I am wondering if someone has unique solution
before I grab the pop rivets.
Thanks,
Vince H. (Finish)
I see the light at the end of the tunnel. Unfortunately this is the fourth tunnel
in a row.
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| From: | "Tom Schad" <schad(at)cooke.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mounting RV8 - F-827c flap fairing after the floor is installed |
The solution is called cherry max rivets. That is what I did. In fact,
I probably used 50 of them in my RV-8. They aren't cheap, but they work
well.
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From: Vincent S. Himsl
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Mounting RV8 - F-827c flap fairing after the floor
is installed
Fef: F-827c Dwgs 28 and 43 mounting flap fairing views DD and EE
Hello,
I permanently installed the floors thinking I had everything covered.
Not quite, seems those seven holes on the bottom of the fuselage that
have been staring back at me for several years belong to the flap
fairing and I now cannot access them from inside the fuselage.
Removing the floor is not an option so I am wondering if someone has
unique solution before I grab the pop rivets.
Thanks,
Vince H. (Finish)
I see the light at the end of the tunnel. Unfortunately this is the
fourth tunnel in a row.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Al Grajek <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Mounting RV8 - F-827c flap fairing after the floor is installed |
I did the same thing. Use Pop rivets and no one will ever know the differen
ce.
Al Grajek
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:52:02 -0800From: vhimsl(at)adelphia.netTo: rv8-list@
matronics.comSubject: RV8-List: Mounting RV8 - F-827c flap fairing after th
e floor is installed
Fef: F-827c Dwgs 28 and 43 mounting flap fairing views DD and EE
Hello,
I permanently installed the floors thinking I had everything covered. Not q
uite, seems those seven holes on the bottom of the fuselage that have been
staring back at me for several years belong to the flap fairing and I now c
annot access them from inside the fuselage.
Removing the floor is not an option so I am wondering if someone has unique
solution before I grab the pop rivets.
Thanks,
Vince H. (Finish)
I see the light at the end of the tunnel. Unfortunately this is the fourth
tunnel in a row.
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
| From: | "raddatz" <n667sr(at)comcast.net> |
I run 40psi with no problems
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162984#162984
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| From: | JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8a Wing Mounting |
Fellow Builders, I'm about to mount my wings for the first time. Any of you
fellows got any good tips for success and happiness? Is there a best side to
mount first? When fitting is it recommended to install all eight bolts in the
main spar ? Hope to hear something and best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8a Wing Mounting |
Three bodies to do my wings.. Drift pins, Boelube, hardware store bolts, re
member to provide dihedral (someone lifting the wingtip) to get final bolts
aligned. Use "persuasion". Digital level and measured a bunch of times. E
nded up +/- 0.1 degree - or so. When drilling aft spar, make sure drill did
n't slip off intended location (ask me how I know ). 4 plumb bobs and a las
er line work great for eliminating sweep. After getting wings on, don't for
get the bottom nut plates and wing fairings - may have to adjust fuselage a
lignment on cradle to provide access. Bottom line - follow Vans instruction
s - including the download from the website.
Booger
N192NM
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| From: | Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8a Wing Mounting |
Also, you may want to put your bolts in the freezer overnight to help get t
hem in, it is a very tight fit. Getting them out is fun too. I also under
drilled my rear spare so that after my first flight I could move the aft s
par up or down to off set a heavy wing. Luckily, I didn't have to, it flew
straight and level first time, so I just brought them up to size and insta
lled the proper bolts.
Paul Rice
RV8
60 hours flying fun
From: pvalovich(at)dcscorp.comTo: rv8-list(at)matronics.comDate: Mon, 11 Feb 2008
Three bodies to do my wings.. Drift pins, Boelube, hardware store bolts, re
member to provide dihedral (someone lifting the wingtip) to get final bolts
aligned. Use =93persuasion=94. Digital level and measured a bunch of times
. Ended up +/- 0.1 degree ' or so. When drilling aft spar, make sure dri
ll didn=92t slip off intended location (ask me how I know ). 4 plumb bobs a
nd a laser line work great for eliminating sweep. After getting wings on, d
on=92t forget the bottom nut plates and wing fairings ' may have to adjus
t fuselage alignment on cradle to provide access. Bottom line ' follow Va
ns instructions ' including the download from the website.
Booger
N192NM
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| From: | George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman(at)mts.net> |
| Subject: | RV-8a Wing Mounting |
Fellow Builders, I'm about to mount my wings for the first time. Any of you
fellows got any good tips for success and happiness? Is there a best side to
mount first? When fitting is it recommended to install all eight bolts in the
main spar ? Hope to hear something and best regards, Bill of Georgia
Bill
I made alignment pins by forming a point on some
store bought bolts.
Buy some store bought 7/16' bolts to mount the wings
temporary.
You will remove the wings at least once to attach
platenuts after match drilling the holes where fuselage
meets wing at bottom.
If you have the Quickbuild make sure they did not
put rivets where you will put platenuts.remove them
before first mounting of wings.
When final mounting ,the close tolerance bolts are
a tight fit.I taped them in with a brass hammer and a
bucking bar on the opposite side.I also used some
LP lubricant.
I had three people to hold the wing while I
taped in bolts.
I installed the bolts from rear,because you cannot
insert bottom bolts from forward.
I do not think there is a reason to mount a side first.
Any questions feel free to send me an E-Mail
--
George H. Inman
ghinman(at)mts.net
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| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV-8a Wing Mounting |
Hi Bill-
I'm chipping away at an 8, not an 8A, but I don't think there are any
differences in mounting the wings.
I believe the only drivers for picking an installation order are logistics.
IE, what are the physical constraints in the assembly location that will
make one assembly order preferential over another?
I had no trouble installing the wings with the aid of one other person.
Once the wings were in place and pinned, I did all the rest myself.
Also, I didn't install any of the bolts. They are cad plated expensive
bolts, and I didn't want to necessarily damage the plating or threads.
Also, the ends are fairly square and don't lend themselves to being used to
align the holes very well. Consequently, I got an appropriate variety and
number of hardware store bolts and ground them all to drift pins. That
allowed me to use them to coax the final alignment of the wings and to
verify that all the bolt holes lined up at the same time.
The lack of edge distance in the rear attach hardware limits how much
wiggle room you have rigging the wings. You probably will need very
little, anyway. One thing I discovered in this process was the number of
inaccuracies in my QB kit. The canopy rails aren't parallel, which was
cause for me to scratch my head trying to set / determine the true fuselage
attitude. Likewise, the planar section of the aft upper surface of the
wing really isn't all that planar. I ended up averaging the values for the
canopy rails as well as taking a reading adjacent to each wing rib, writing
it at each station, and averaging them. This gave me a 'fudge factor' to
apply to the raw reading at the station where the rigging measurements were
taken.
FWIW-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
>
> Fellow Builders, I'm about to mount my wings for the first time. Any of
you
> fellows got any good tips for success and happiness? Is there a best
side to
> mount first? When fitting is it recommended to install all eight bolts in
the
> main spar ? Hope to hear something and best regards, Bill of Georgia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | loringsrv8(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/10/08 |
Hi Bill,
If you use 'hardware store' bolts for fitting make sure you take your mic. with
you. Sometimes they are oversize. For final assy. use Lubriplate. Seems to
work best. Check your NAS bolts in their carrythrough spar holes before test
assy. so that you will know that there are no problems. If there are, it will
likely be misalignment of the F-804Cs (my experience on a QB; both sides).
Art Loring, Jr
RV-8 QB O-320 CS 35 HRs.
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> From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV-8a Wing Mounting
>
> Fellow Builders, I'm about to mount my wings for the first time. Any of you
> fellows got any good tips for success and happiness? Is there a best side to
> mount first? When fitting is it recommended to install all eight bolts in the
> main spar ? Hope to hear something and best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | RV-8a Wing Mounting |
| From: | <ulf(at)megadoor.com> |
My bolts had both boelube and freezer visit and they went in extremy hard. If you
have an RV 8A DO NOT DRIVE THE BOLTS ALL THE WAY IN BEFORE YOU PUT ON THE NUT.
It was hard to get them in but it was ten times harder to get them out so you could
get the nu on.
Otherwise a piece of cake HA HA.
Ulf
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com>
Subj: RE: RV8-List: RV-8a Wing Mounting
Date: Mon 11 Feb 2008 10:33
Size: 1K
Also, you may want to put your bolts in the freezer overnight to help get them
in, it is a very tight fit. Getting them out is fun too. I also under drilled
my rear spare so that after my first flight I could move the aft spar up or down
to off set a heavy wing. Luckily, I didn't have to, it flew straight and level
first time, so I just brought them up to size and installed the proper bolts.
Paul Rice
RV8
60 hours flying fun
From: pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:34:58 -0500
Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8a Wing Mounting
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8a Wing Mounting |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
George, thanks for the info. When you were test fitting did you install the four
smaller size bolts per wing as well as the four 7/16 bolts? Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman(at)mts.net>
Sent: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:43 am
Subject: RV8-List: RV-8a Wing Mounting
?
Fellow Builders, I'm about to mount my wings for the first time. Any of you fellows
got any good tips for success and happiness? Is there a best side to mount
first? When fitting is it recommended to install all eight bolts in the main
spar ? Hope to hear something and best regards, Bill of Georgia?
?
? Bill?
? I made alignment pins by forming a point on some?
store bought bolts.?
? Buy some store bought 7/16' bolts to mount the wings?
temporary.?
? You will remove the wings at least once to attach?
platenuts after match drilling the holes where fuselage?
meets wing at bottom.?
? If you have the Quickbuild make sure they did not?
put rivets where you will put platenuts.remove them?
before first mounting of wings.?
?When final mounting ,the close tolerance bolts are?
a tight fit.I taped them in with a brass hammer and a?
bucking bar on the opposite side.I also used some?
LP lubricant.?
? I had three people to hold the wing while I taped in bolts.?
?I installed the bolts from rear,because you cannot?
insert bottom bolts from forward.?
?I do not think there is a reason to mount a side first.?
?Any questions feel free to send me an E-Mail?
?
-- ?
George H. Inman?
ghinman(at)mts.net?
?
?
?
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| From: | "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8a Wing MountingRV-8a Wing Mounting |
Look in Vans website under Construction FAQs - it's the last file: Wing Inc
idence Drilling.
Booger
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| Subject: | Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I attached the
ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut out plywood). Added
the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they line up with the ailerons
and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put on the fiberglass wing tips and
they don't line up with the aileron. Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the
wing tip ? I want the bird to fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope
to hear from some folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match |
I'm not a fan of the wood template. It's a broad stroke on something
that, imho, can be a lot more precise.
On my RV-7 (same wings as yours), I used the extended centerline that
bisects the main wing rib tooling holes, and I made sure the ailerons'
trailing edges were dead nuts on that extended line. More accurate
technique imho. YMMV
Sharpie
www.rvproject.com
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From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I
attached the ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut
out plywood). Added the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they
line up with the ailerons and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put
on the fiberglass wing tips and they don't line up with the aileron.
Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the wing tip ? I want the bird to
fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope to hear from some
folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Sharpie, is this centerline/deadnuts technique shown on the plans somewhere? Thanks
Bill
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From: Dan Checkoway <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
I'm not a fan of the wood template.? It's a broad stroke on something that, imho,
can be a lot more precise.
?
On my RV-7 (same wings as yours), I used the extended centerline that bisects the
main wing rib tooling holes, and I made sure the ailerons' trailing edges were
dead nuts on that extended line.? More accurate technique imho.? YMMV
?
Sharpie
www.rvproject.com
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From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I attached the
ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut out plywood). Added
the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they line up with the ailerons
and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put on the fiberglass wing tips and
they don't line up with the aileron. Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the
wing tip ? I want the bird to fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope
to hear from some folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match |
| From: | planecrazzy(at)wildblue.net |
Bill,
I had the same problem on my 8a.
I went with the template.
I had to split the wing tip ends and adjust to fit the ailerons.
Results were ok.
ray
south caroline
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I
> attached the ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut
> out plywood). Added the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they
> line up with the ailerons and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put on
> the fiberglass wing tips and they don't line up with the aileron. Sooooo.
> Do I go with the template or the wing tip ? I want the bird to fly right,
> but I also want it to look right. Hope to hear from some folks that have
> solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
>
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| From: | "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match |
It may be. It has been a while. I honestly don't remember where I saw
it or read about it. I think it was in the RV-7 construction manual.
If memory serves, it mentioned that the wing profile template would be
printed on the inside of the crate (it was not), and that an alternate
method involves using the tooling holes. It may be mentioned on a
Construction FAQ on Van's site. Don't hold me to that...check with
Van's if you're unsure.
In any case, YMMV, but this "priority" order of things worked great for
me (my plane is no slouch speed-wise):
1. Set the ailerons precisely in trail.
2. Align the flaps to the ailerons.
3. Align the wing tips to the ailerons.
4. Rig the pushrods/bellcranks with the ailerons held exactly in trail.
On a side-by-side RV (I know this is the RV-8 list, but I'm mentioning
it regardless), make sure the elevators are rigged & clamped in trail
while you rig your aileron pushrods & bellcranks. There's a
"triangulation" effect on the side-by-side RVs since the aileron &
elevator control movements are linked.
Sharpie
----- Original Message -----
From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
Sharpie, is this centerline/deadnuts technique shown on the plans
somewhere? Thanks Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Checkoway <dan(at)rvproject.com>
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
I'm not a fan of the wood template. It's a broad stroke on something
that, imho, can be a lot more precise.
On my RV-7 (same wings as yours), I used the extended centerline that
bisects the main wing rib tooling holes, and I made sure the ailerons'
trailing edges were dead nuts on that extended line. More accurate
technique imho. YMMV
Sharpie
www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I
attached the ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut
out plywood). Added the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they
line up with the ailerons and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put
on the fiberglass wing tips and they don't line up with the aileron.
Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the wing tip ? I want the bird to
fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope to hear from some
folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | manuel weber <flyinwithme99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match |
Also remember that there is quite a bit of adjustment available when installing
the wingtip. It can be joggled around to line up with just about anything...
Manny
japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
Sharpie, is this centerline/deadnuts technique shown on the plans somewhere?
Thanks Bill
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From: Dan Checkoway <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
I'm not a fan of the wood template. It's a broad stroke on something that,
imho, can be a lot more precise.
On my RV-7 (same wings as yours), I used the extended centerline that bisects
the main wing rib tooling holes, and I made sure the ailerons' trailing edges
were dead nuts on that extended line. More accurate technique imho. YMMV
Sharpie
www.rvproject.com
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To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I attached the
ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut out plywood). Added
the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they line up with the ailerons
and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put on the fiberglass wing tips and
they don't line up with the aileron. Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the
wing tip ? I want the bird to fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope
to hear from some folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | "Jesse Laub" <jesse(at)casco.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match |
Finishing up on my 8A QB and had the same problem. Talked to factory
but they weren't much help. I think I recall the wing tips sometimes
get distorted and use the template. I did get them close. We'll see
when I fly.
Jesse-Oregon
painting
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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I
attached the ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut
out plywood). Added the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they
line up with the ailerons and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put
on the fiberglass wing tips and they don't line up with the aileron.
Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the wing tip ? I want the bird to
fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope to hear from some
folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-Aileron & Flap Neutral Set |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dear RV Builders, thanks to all of you for your prompt responses and assistance.
With your help I found the more actuate method for setting neutral on DWG 12A
and checked last night. Sure enough the cut out plywood template I laboriously
sawed out was wrong. Using the steel rod on the machine bolt holes at the end
of the wing method revealed that the tips are in fact correct, but my sawed
out template was off near 9/16th at the tip end. So lesson learned. Do not rely
on the paper transfer/saw out of plywood template method. It is inaccurate.
Thanks again to all you fellows that brought this to light. I owe you and best
regards, Bill of Georgia
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3. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match (japhillipsga(at)aol.com)
4. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match (planecrazzy(at)wildblue.net)
5. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match (Dan Checkoway)
6. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match (manuel weber)
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Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I attached
the
ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut out plywood). Added
the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they line up with the ailerons
and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put on the fiberglass wing tips and
they don't line up with the aileron. Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the
wing tip ? I want the bird to fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope
to hear from some folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
I'm not a fan of the wood template. It's a broad stroke on something
that, imho, can be a lot more precise.
On my RV-7 (same wings as yours), I used the extended centerline that
bisects the main wing rib tooling holes, and I made sure the ailerons'
trailing edges were dead nuts on that extended line. More accurate
technique imho. YMMV
Sharpie
www.rvproject.com
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To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I
attached the ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut
out plywood). Added the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they
line up with the ailerons and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put
on the fiberglass wing tips and they don't line up with the aileron.
Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the wing tip ? I want the bird to
fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope to hear from some
folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sharpie, is this centerline/deadnuts technique shown on the plans somewhere?
Thanks
Bill
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From: Dan Checkoway <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
I'm not a fan of the wood template.? It's a broad stroke on something that,
imho,
can be a lot more precise.
?
On my RV-7 (same wings as yours), I used the extended centerline that bisects
the
main wing rib tooling holes, and I made sure the ailerons' trailing edges were
dead nuts on that extended line.? More accurate technique imho.? YMMV
?
Sharpie
www.rvproject.com
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From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I attached
the
ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut out plywood). Added
the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they line up with the ailerons
and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put on the fiberglass wing tips and
they don't line up with the aileron. Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the
wing tip ? I want the bird to fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope
to hear from some folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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From: planecrazzy(at)wildblue.net
Bill,
I had the same problem on my 8a.
I went with the template.
I had to split the wing tip ends and adjust to fit the ailerons.
Results were ok.
ray
south caroline
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I
> attached the ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut
> out plywood). Added the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they
> line up with the ailerons and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put on
> the fiberglass wing tips and they don't line up with the aileron. Sooooo.
> Do I go with the template or the wing tip ? I want the bird to fly right,
> but I also want it to look right. Hope to hear from some folks that have
> solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
>
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From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
It may be. It has been a while. I honestly don't remember where I saw
it or read about it. I think it was in the RV-7 construction manual.
If memory serves, it mentioned that the wing profile template would be
printed on the inside of the crate (it was not), and that an alternate
method involves using the tooling holes. It may be mentioned on a
Construction FAQ on Van's site. Don't hold me to that...check with
Van's if you're unsure.
In any case, YMMV, but this "priority" order of things worked great for
me (my plane is no slouch speed-wise):
1. Set the ailerons precisely in trail.
2. Align the flaps to the ailerons.
3. Align the wing tips to the ailerons.
4. Rig the pushrods/bellcranks with the ailerons held exactly in trail.
On a side-by-side RV (I know this is the RV-8 list, but I'm mentioning
it regardless), make sure the elevators are rigged & clamped in trail
while you rig your aileron pushrods & bellcranks. There's a
"triangulation" effect on the side-by-side RVs since the aileron &
elevator control movements are linked.
Sharpie
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To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
Sharpie, is this centerline/deadnuts technique shown on the plans
somewhere? Thanks Bill
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From: Dan Checkoway <dan(at)rvproject.com>
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
I'm not a fan of the wood template. It's a broad stroke on something
that, imho, can be a lot more precise.
On my RV-7 (same wings as yours), I used the extended centerline that
bisects the main wing rib tooling holes, and I made sure the ailerons'
trailing edges were dead nuts on that extended line. More accurate
technique imho. YMMV
Sharpie
www.rvproject.com
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From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I
attached the ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut
out plywood). Added the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they
line up with the ailerons and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put
on the fiberglass wing tips and they don't line up with the aileron.
Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the wing tip ? I want the bird to
fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope to hear from some
folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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From: manuel weber <flyinwithme99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
Also remember that there is quite a bit of adjustment available when installing
the wingtip. It can be joggled around to line up with just about anything...
Manny
japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
Sharpie, is this centerline/deadnuts technique shown on the plans somewhere?
Thanks Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Checkoway <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
I'm not a fan of the wood template. It's a broad stroke on something that,
imho, can be a lot more precise.
On my RV-7 (same wings as yours), I used the extended centerline that bisects
the main wing rib tooling holes, and I made sure the ailerons' trailing edges
were dead nuts on that extended line. More accurate technique imho. YMMV
Sharpie
www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I attached
the
ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut out plywood). Added
the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they line up with the ailerons
and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put on the fiberglass wing tips and
they don't line up with the aileron. Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the
wing tip ? I want the bird to fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope
to hear from some folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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From: "Jesse Laub" <jesse(at)casco.net>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
Finishing up on my 8A QB and had the same problem. Talked to factory
but they weren't much help. I think I recall the wing tips sometimes
get distorted and use the template. I did get them close. We'll see
when I fly.
Jesse-Oregon
painting
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From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8a- Ailerion & Wing Tip Match
RV-8 Builders, I got a problem. I have the wings mounted on my 8a. I
attached the ailerons and set them to the template provided by Van (cut
out plywood). Added the flaps and with plenty of careful trimming they
line up with the ailerons and fuselage bottom. All is well. Then I put
on the fiberglass wing tips and they don't line up with the aileron.
Sooooo. Do I go with the template or the wing tip ? I want the bird to
fly right, but I also want it to look right. Hope to hear from some
folks that have solved this problem. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | "Esten Spears" <ewspears(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | 5th Annual Leeward Air Ranch Invitational Fly in |
Plan to visit us on your way to Sun n Fun! Tell your fellow RVators about
it!
Leeward RVators are planning The 5th Annual INVITATIONAL RV FLY-IN for
Saturday, April 5, 2008. If you are interested in attending please send an
e-mail to Esten Spears giving Names, Address, RV Type, and if not flying
your RV in; Mode of arrival. Esten will respond with an invitation
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| From: | "Richard Martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 5th Annual Leeward Air Ranch Invitational Fly in |
Esten,
I would like to attend.
Dick Martin
RV8
N233M
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: RV8-List: 5th Annual Leeward Air Ranch Invitational Fly in
>
> Plan to visit us on your way to Sun n Fun! Tell your fellow RVators about
> it!
>
> Leeward RVators are planning The 5th Annual INVITATIONAL RV FLY-IN for
> Saturday, April 5, 2008. If you are interested in attending please send an
> e-mail to Esten Spears giving Names, Address, RV Type, and if not flying
> your RV in; Mode of arrival. Esten will respond with an invitation
> containing Event,
> Flying, and Driving Information. Keep in mind that this is BY INVITATION
> ONLY.
>
> Richard Dayton is the Event Manager. If you have further questions he can
> be contacted at rdayton34472(at)comcast.net
>
> Send your e-mail to Esten at: ewspears(at)comcast.net
>
> Esten Spears, Leeward Air Ranch
> 9127 SE 72nd Avenue
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| Subject: | Re: RV8a Flap Fairing- |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
RvA Builders, I have a question concerning the left flap fairing. Where the left
fairing mounts over the steel step plate the fairing has three # 30 PP holes
that would be drilled for attachment as a tail dragger. For the 8A model should
the three holes be drilled through the step plate? I am concerned about weakling
the plate with three holes in line just to lap the fairing. The plans don't
address the issue. Who drilled and riveted the fairing to the plate ? Also
I expect with time the step plate will flex with use. Will that warp the fairing
? Next to building the baggage door that dammed left side fairing has been
the meanest job so far. Hope to hear from the folks that know, best regards,
Bill of Georgia
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| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Rudder Counter Balance Weight / Rod End Bearings |
Greetings:
1) Have an "older" RUDDER Dwg 7PP which does not show
the how far the 3 Rod End Bearings are suppose to be
screwed into their associated Nut Plates mounted on
the Rudder Spar. What are the dimensions and where
are they measured from ?????
2) Looking at the LEAD COUNTER BALANCE WEIGHT, one of
the 2 pre-drilled holes is closer to the "end" of the
lead weight than the other.
Which Weights "hole" goes forward toward the front of
the rudder AND is the Ribs (R803) tooling hole used to
mount the Lead Weight OR are 2 new holes drilled to
mount the weight ???? Assume the Lead Weight should
be placed as close to the "leading edge"of the Rib
(R803) as possible, is this true ????
Need a little clarification. Thanks, Garey ( Santa
Monica, CA)
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| From: | Christopher Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Counter Balance Weight / Rod End Bearings |
Garey...
I started out using the same dimension called out for the horz. stab/elevator.
Some adjustment is required upon final assembly after the emp. is mounted to
the fuse.
Chris Stone
RV-8 x2
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>Sent: Mar 11, 2008 11:10 AM
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: Rudder Counter Balance Weight / Rod End Bearings
>
>
>Greetings:
>
>1) Have an "older" RUDDER Dwg 7PP which does not show
>the how far the 3 Rod End Bearings are suppose to be
>screwed into their associated Nut Plates mounted on
>the Rudder Spar. What are the dimensions and where
>are they measured from ?????
>
>2) Looking at the LEAD COUNTER BALANCE WEIGHT, one of
>the 2 pre-drilled holes is closer to the "end" of the
>lead weight than the other.
> Which Weights "hole" goes forward toward the front of
>the rudder AND is the Ribs (R803) tooling hole used to
>mount the Lead Weight OR are 2 new holes drilled to
>mount the weight ???? Assume the Lead Weight should
>be placed as close to the "leading edge"of the Rib
>(R803) as possible, is this true ????
>
>Need a little clarification. Thanks, Garey ( Santa
>Monica, CA)
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | RV-8A Aileron Stops |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders, I can't seem to find in the written instructions info
for setting the swing limits for the ailerons. I see where the drawings shows
where to put the stop, but I need to know how far up and down the aileron can
travel. Who can help me out? Also, are we to put the stops on both ailerons?
One to stop up and the other to stop down? Thanks, Bill of Georgia?
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8A Aileron Stops |
Hey Bill,
Have you seen any planes out there with the plastic spacers in the aileron
hinge used to limit the travel of the ailerons. Just did mine this way. Simple
and elegant.
_http://bowenaero.com/mt/2007/12/aileron-stops.html_
(http://bowenaero.com/mt/2007/12/aileron-stops.html)
better link
_http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story 040924215600851_
(http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story 040924215600851)
Dennis
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| From: | sportypilot <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8A Aileron Stops |
The manual shows up and down degree's
Of min and max travel and yes both use
Travel stops
Danny
Sent from cell
On Mar 17, 2008, at 8:31 AM, japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
> Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders, I can't seem to find in the written
> instructions info for setting the swing limits for the ailerons. I
> see where the drawings shows where to put the stop, but I need to
> know how far up and down the aileron can travel. Who can help me
> out? Also, are we to put the stops on both ailerons? One to stop up
> and the other to stop down? Thanks, Bill of Georgia
>
>
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| From: | "George Steube" <at6c(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | RV-8A Aileron Stops |
The control throw specs are in Chapter 15 page 2. Up 25 to 32 deg, down 15
to 17 deg. Good luck.
George
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:32 AM
Subject: RV8-List: RV-8A Aileron Stops
Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders, I can't seem to find in the written instructions
info for setting the swing limits for the ailerons. I see where the drawings
shows where to put the stop, but I need to know how far up and down the
aileron can travel. Who can help me out? Also, are we to put the stops on
both ailerons? One to stop up and the other to stop down? Thanks, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8A Aileron Stops |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
George, thanks for the info. My dear Wife found the chart last night for me and
again I had to suffer under her wagging tongue of humiliation and jest. I hate
it when she finds something I looked for for days!
Best regards, Bill
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From: George Steube <at6c(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 1:44 pm
Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8A Aileron Stops
The control throw specs are in Chapter 15 page 2.? Up 25 to 32 deg, down 15 to
17 deg.? Good luck.
George
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Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders, I can't seem to find in the written instructions info
for setting the swing limits for the ailerons. I see where the drawings shows
where to put the stop, but I need to know how far up and down the aileron can
travel. Who can help me out? Also, are we to put the stops on both ailerons?
One to stop up and the other to stop down? Thanks, Bill of Georgia?
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| From: | loringsrv8(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/17/08 |
Hi Bill,
One further comment. One up-stop on each side. These become down-stops for the
opposite sides. The aileron stop and it's location is shown on dwg. 13A.
Art Loring Jr.
RV-8, N211XZ, flying
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> Subject: RV8-List: RV-8A Aileron Stops
> From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
>
> Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders, I can't seem to find in the written instructions info
> for setting the swing limits for the ailerons. I see where the drawings shows
> where to put the stop, but I need to know how far up and down the aileron can
> travel. Who can help me out? Also, are we to put the stops on both ailerons?
> One to stop up and the other to stop down? Thanks, Bill of Georgia?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8A Aileron Stops
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> Have you seen any planes out there with the plastic spacers in the aileron
> hinge used to limit the travel of the ailerons. Just did mine this way. Simple
>
> and elegant.
>
> _http://bowenaero.com/mt/2007/12/aileron-stops.html_
> (http://bowenaero.com/mt/2007/12/aileron-stops.html)
>
> better link
>
> _http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story 040924215600851_
> (http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story 040924215600851)
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
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>
> From: sportypilot <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8A Aileron Stops
>
> The manual shows up and down degree's
> Of min and max travel and yes both use
> Travel stops
>
> Danny
>
> Sent from cell
>
> On Mar 17, 2008, at 8:31 AM, japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> > Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders, I can't seem to find in the written
> > instructions info for setting the swing limits for the ailerons. I
> > see where the drawings shows where to put the stop, but I need to
> > know how far up and down the aileron can travel. Who can help me
> > out? Also, are we to put the stops on both ailerons? One to stop up
> > and the other to stop down? Thanks, Bill of Georgia
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> From: "George Steube" <at6c(at)bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8A Aileron Stops
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> The control throw specs are in Chapter 15 page 2. Up 25 to 32 deg, down 15
> to 17 deg. Good luck.
> George
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> Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders, I can't seem to find in the written instructions
> info for setting the swing limits for the ailerons. I see where the drawings
> shows where to put the stop, but I need to know how far up and down the
> aileron can travel. Who can help me out? Also, are we to put the stops on
> both ailerons? One to stop up and the other to stop down? Thanks, Bill of
> Georgia
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8A Aileron Stops |
Bill,
Sorry for the late reply. The plastic we bought had a 1/2 inch outter
diameter and that seems to work great for the aileron travel limits! I might have
some left over but I'm leaving town in a matter of minutes. Back Monday. Do
you still have my phone number. We could talk about sending you some then.
Dennis
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| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | RV8 LED Panel Flood Lighting diversions |
Hello,
While you are in the dark, literally and figuratively, playing with panel
flood lighting ideas for your RV8 try this:
Place a piece of aluminum (or steel) tape on the underside of the glare
screen, both sides, near the roll bar.
Now bounce the light from an LED flashlight off these pieces of tape instead
of trying to illuminate the panel directly. You will find that this bounce
effect creates a more even and broader coverage. But see for yourself.
I am assuming you are using LED lights.
The best (price, ease of installation, effectiveness) flood lighting
available for the RV8 (IMHO) however, is the $13.00 Energizer LED forehead
light that has the two white lights with one red in the center. The whites
are too bright for flying but the center red LED and lens distributes the
red in an almost perfect pattern across the panel illuminating not only the
panel but the side areas (throttle/mixture and fuel tank handle) as well.
A very fun trick is to take one of these forehead lights and remove the two
white LED lights and put one green and one red in their place. Take one of
the removed white ones and put it in the center (removing the center red).
Now use it to look at your airspeed indicator. Instead of washing out the
color bands, this combination makes them almost fluoresce. Red responds to
red, green to green, and yellow to green plus red. Switch to the lone center
white light and observe how it provides a broad and clear blue/white glow to
your panel identical to the red one.
For those of you trying to sync the brightness of your LEDs so that one area
or instrument doesn't blind you while everything else is very dim you will
need to create a custom resistor divider network for each overly bright LED.
The trick is that most of us know to put resistors in series with an LED
(usually multiples of 300 ohms) but we are less aware of fact that placing
an additional resistor in parallel with the LED dramatically affects its
behavior. For the LED lights I am using, I placed two 300 ohum resistors in
series and one in parallel with an amber LED to get it to mimic the response
and brightness of the incandescent type lights found in my (used) versions
of the King radios and transponders.
I will forego telling you about how I modified USB laptop keyboard lights
from the Dollar Store (yep, the Dollar Store) for use as my flood lights.
Now to figure out how to tone down the Ray Allen LED trim indicators
(they're different). Half bright is too bright.
Regards
Vince H.
Idaho
RV8 VSB (Very Slow Built)
Finish
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| From: | Larry Miller <xsmiller(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello RVators,
I have an RV-8 empenage, quickbuild, finishing, and firewall forward kits as
well as additional parts such as prop gov, FI fuel pump, Grove landing gear, more.
After constructing only the tail group, I reluctantly must sell all. All
other parts new in original packaging. Will not consider selling individual
parts. Cost over $36K, make offer. Located in northern CA.
Contact Larry
xsmiller(at)yahoo.com
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| From: | JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fuel Tank Nutplates |
Fellow RV Builders, I'm about to remove my wings for storage until painting,
but before I put them up I want to rivet in the nutplates that hold the root
farings on. Should these holes at the edge of the tanks be dimpled or
countersunk ? Seem like they are pretty close to the Proseal and I'd hate to make
a
leak. What does everybody else do ? Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Tank Nutplates |
Just carefully squeeze the rivets in the nutplates and you shouldn't have a
problem. CJ
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:22 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Fuel Tank Nutplates
Fellow RV Builders, I'm about to remove my wings for storage until painting,
but before I put them up I want to rivet in the nutplates that hold the root
farings on. Should these holes at the edge of the tanks be dimpled or
countersunk ? Seem like they are pretty close to the Proseal and I'd hate to
make a leak. What does everybody else do ? Thanks, Bill of Georgia
**************
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup! |
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| From: | "RAY SHEFFIELD" <planecrazzy(at)wildblue.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Nutplates |
Hi Carl,
Use #6 screws, 3/8 dia 3/32 dimple die, and #6 dimple die with flat on sides
to clear tank edges. Pro seal doesn't harden completely ,so the dimpling
shouldn't
cause leaking.
ray
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Carl Bell wrote:
> Just carefully squeeze the rivets in the nutplates and you shouldn't have
> a problem. CJ
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> Fellow RV Builders, I'm about to remove my wings for storage until
> painting, but before I put them up I want to rivet in the nutplates that
> hold the root farings on. Should these holes at the edge of the tanks be
> dimpled or countersunk ? Seem like they are pretty close to the Proseal and
> I'd hate to make a leak. What does everybody else do ? Thanks, Bill of
> Georgia
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| From: | JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Nutplates |
Ray, what does "flat on sides" mean? Thanks, Bill
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| From: | "RAY SHEFFIELD" <planecrazzy(at)wildblue.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Nutplates |
Bill,
The female die will be 1/2" in dia., grind a flat to clear the edge of the
tank.
Hope that helps.
ray
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM, wrote:
> Ray, what does "flat on sides" mean? Thanks, Bill
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| From: | "Esten Spears" <ewspears(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: "We Love RV's" Invitational Luncheon April 5th at Leeward |
Air Ranch
REMINDER - REMINDER - REMINDER - REMINDER -
The Leeward Air Ranch RVators are having their Annual "We Love RV's"
Invitational Luncheon April 5th at Leeward Air Ranch, (FD04), near
Ocala, FL. April 5th is the weekend before Sun n Fun. We expect a lot of
out of state RV's since we are only 67NM North of Lakeland (LAL) We are
tentatively setting the 6th as a rain date.
This gathering is by invitation only. If you think you can make it,
Please email Esten Spears, ewspears(at)comcast.net with names of people
that will attend with you. (wife, kids, or friends) Also would like to
know what RV or other plane you will be arriving in. If you plan to
drive in let me know that.
I will email you back with an Invitation including flying and driving
information.
Please inform any other RV Enthusiasts you know about our Gathering and
have them email me with the info I've asked for.
The many RVators at Leeward Air Ranch Hope you can make it!
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| Subject: | EFIS One Price Slashed!!! |
| From: | "cdwambolt" <cdwambolt(at)cox.net> |
Well OK, I dropped it a little, and added OBO.
BLUE MOUNTAIN EFIS ONE $7,200 OBO FOR SALE Never flown, just back from BMA with
memory upgrade and a clean bill of health. This unit provides: Autopilot (servos
sold separately), ADI/HSI, compass, Airspeed, Altimeter, Altitude alerter,
encoder, VSI, Slip/Skid, Turn and Bank, Clock, OAT, GPS, Moving map, Navigation
database, Fuel totalizer, Flight data recorder, Fuel Level, Fuel Flow, Tachometer,
Manifold Press, Coolant Temp, Voltmeter, Oil Press, Oil Temp, CHT,
EGT, Ammeter, no need for vacuum system Asking less than 1/2 price of new, $7200
OBO Thanks Larry 602-363-2888 Charlie 602-763-7131
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| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Torque Values in AC43.13-1B |
Table 7-1 list recommended values, BUT it does not say
these are the FINAL Torque Value or the DESIRED Torque
Value. Maybe the FRICTION Torque (which I have not
tried to measure yet) is so small that DESIRED Torque
is approx equal to Final Torque ????
I know: FRICTION Torque + DESIRED Torque = FINAL
Torque Value
So what does Table 7-1 show DESIRED or FINAL Torque
???
Thanks, Garey
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| Subject: | Re: RV8- Sikaflex Canopy Info |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dear Builders, I'm going to use Sika adhesive to attach my canopy. Todd's canopy's
has a couple page DIY instructions from Bob & Karen Brown that describes the
U295, cleaner and primer process. When I found the Sika products on the web
there are various cleaners and primers listed and the only 295 is listed as 295UV
not U295. I understand you have to have the correct three products. Who out
there knows is 295UV the same as U295 ?? and which primer and cleaner is appropriate
for the canopy and 295 adhesive? I appreciate any help, thanks, Bill
of Georgia
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| From: | "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8- Sikaflex Canopy Info |
Hi
I am also working on my canopy and would like the use Sika. Has anyone out
their done it on an RV 7 or RV 9 slider using the horizontal square side
tube that runs from the forward bow the rear bow? If so out did you attach
the canopy skirt with out drilling? Any help is really appreciated. I have
printed all the articles, instruction and list information, but I mostly
find RV 8 instructions. I could really use some help on how to do it on a
RV 7 Slider.
Thanks CJ
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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:14 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8- Sikaflex Canopy Info
Dear Builders, I'm going to use Sika adhesive to attach my canopy. Todd's
canopy's has a couple page DIY instructions from Bob & Karen Brown that
describes the U295, cleaner and primer process. When I found the Sika
products on the web there are various cleaners and primers listed and the
only 295 is listed as 295UV not U295. I understand you have to have the
correct three products. Who out there knows is 295UV the same as U295 ? and
which primer and cleaner is appropriate for the canopy and 295 adhesive? I
appreciate any help, thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Drawing REVISIONS for RV8 |
Greetings:
I called Vans and they (Bruce) could not help me -
said they do not have the old Dwgs 4PP (Elevator) and
5PP (Trim Tab, etc) anymore. I have OLD emphennage
drawings dating back to 1999 for my RV-8A.
My Dwg 4PP is dated 1999, Rev 1
My Dwg 5PP is dated 1999, no Rev.
Does anybody have these Dwgs and can they tell me what
the LATEST Revision is for each and what that Revision
entails.
Your help would be GREATLY appreciated !!!!!
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Drawing REVISIONS for RV8 |
Garey,
I wish I could help, but mine are even older - 1996.
I'm very surprised - and very disappointed - that Van's doesn't have every
drawing they published.
Stan Sutterfield
I called Vans and they (Bruce) could not help me -
said they do not have the old Dwgs 4PP (Elevator) and
5PP (Trim Tab, etc) anymore. I have OLD emphennage
drawings dating back to 1999 for my RV-8A.
My Dwg 4PP is dated 1999, Rev 1
My Dwg 5PP is dated 1999, no Rev.
Does anybody have these Dwgs and can they tell me what
the LATEST Revision is for each and what that Revision
entails.
Your help would be GREATLY appreciated !!!!!
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| From: | Dan <dan(at)rdan.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Drawing REVISIONS for RV8 |
Mine are dated 6/01 with 2 revisions on DWG 5 dated 2/02 ?
R2 E-714 trim detail
R1 E-720J K & L measurements
no revisons on DWG 4
More details avaliable if ya need
Dan
-8
in the garage
Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
Garey,
I wish I could help, but mine are even older - 1996.
I'm very surprised - and very disappointed - that Van's doesn't have every drawing
they published.
Stan Sutterfield
I called Vans and they (Bruce) could not help me -
said they do not have the old Dwgs 4PP (Elevator) and
5PP (Trim Tab, etc) anymore. I have OLD emphennage
drawings dating back to 1999 for my RV-8A.
My Dwg 4PP is dated 1999, Rev 1
My Dwg 5PP is dated 1999, no Rev.
Does anybody have these Dwgs and can they tell me what
the LATEST Revision is for each and what that Revision
entails.
Your help would be GREATLY appreciated !!!!!
Garey Wittich
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| From: | "tom.gregorski(at)juno.com" <tom.gregorski(at)juno.com> |
I just finished my RV8 and it had its first flight by an experienced RV driver.
I took some lessons in a RV7, but I am not comfortable flying it and scared to
fly mine. I am having a hard time getting good landings. I am used to flaring
over the runway, but he teaches flying it to about a foot over the runway and
then bleeding off the airspeed until it quits flying. He does this because of
the abrupt stalls and does not want it to happen too high above the runway.
Is this the way others fly RVs. I would like some other opinions. I did stall
the RV7 and the stall is very rapid without any warning. Thanks, Tom
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| From: | Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com> |
Hey Tom,
There are many different techniques to landing any airplane. I find that I
use the same/similar technique on every aircraft I fly be it an RV to Boei
ng. The method you mentioned is good for learning where the wheels are on
the first couple of landings, but then I would transition to landing your p
lane just as you would land a Cessna. Come down final at stall speed plus
about 30 percent, flare and find the ground. Go take a few lessons in a Cu
b if you can find one, it is more difficult to land than an RV. If you are
even a little comfortable in it, you will have no trouble in your 8. I d
on't think the 8 has an abrupt stall, mine gives me plenty of warning with
a shutter of the tail. You will also feel the controls getting a lot light
er. Go up and stall it a few times, straight ahead and fly it around for a
while at stall plus 30 percent and in no time at all, you will not even ne
ed and airspeed indicator to know that you are right in the sweet spot.
Good Luck,
Paul
RV8 with 75 hours of fun> From: tom.gregorski(at)juno.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2
orski(at)juno.com>> > I just finished my RV8 and it had its first flight by an
experienced RV driver. I took some lessons in a RV7, but I am not comforta
ble flying it and scared to fly mine. I am having a hard time getting good
landings. I am used to flaring over the runway, but he teaches flying it to
about a foot over the runway and then bleeding off the airspeed until it q
uits flying. He does this because of the abrupt stalls and does not want it
to happen too high above the runway. Is this the way others fly RVs. I wou
ld like some other opinions. I did stall the RV7 and the stall is very rapi
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| From: | "Bill Judge" <bjudge(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying an RV8 |
I'm got about 230 hrs in my 8 and I almost never do a 3 point. Mine
wheel lands very well and tends to crow hop a lot when doing a 3 pt.
I believe this is because the critical angle of attack is greater than
the 3 pt attitude angle of attack hence it tends to still be flying
with the wheels on the ground. 65 knots seems to be a nice speed for
final, wheel it on, keep it straight and you won't have any trouble.
Bill
N84WJ
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> 1. 06:08 AM - Flying an RV8 (tom.gregorski(at)juno.com)
> 2. 02:58 PM - Re: Flying an RV8 (Paul Rice)
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> From: "tom.gregorski(at)juno.com" <tom.gregorski(at)juno.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: Flying an RV8
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> I just finished my RV8 and it had its first flight by an experienced RV driver.
> I took some lessons in a RV7, but I am not comfortable flying it and scared
to
> fly mine. I am having a hard time getting good landings. I am used to flaring
> over the runway, but he teaches flying it to about a foot over the runway and
> then bleeding off the airspeed until it quits flying. He does this because of
> the abrupt stalls and does not want it to happen too high above the runway.
> Is this the way others fly RVs. I would like some other opinions. I did stall
> the RV7 and the stall is very rapid without any warning. Thanks, Tom
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> From: Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Flying an RV8
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> Hey Tom,
>
> There are many different techniques to landing any airplane. I find that I
> use the same/similar technique on every aircraft I fly be it an RV to Boei
> ng. The method you mentioned is good for learning where the wheels are on
> the first couple of landings, but then I would transition to landing your p
> lane just as you would land a Cessna. Come down final at stall speed plus
> about 30 percent, flare and find the ground. Go take a few lessons in a Cu
> b if you can find one, it is more difficult to land than an RV. If you are
> even a little comfortable in it, you will have no trouble in your 8. I d
> on't think the 8 has an abrupt stall, mine gives me plenty of warning with
> a shutter of the tail. You will also feel the controls getting a lot light
> er. Go up and stall it a few times, straight ahead and fly it around for a
> while at stall plus 30 percent and in no time at all, you will not even ne
> ed and airspeed indicator to know that you are right in the sweet spot.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Paul
> RV8 with 75 hours of fun> From: tom.gregorski(at)juno.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2
> orski(at)juno.com>> > I just finished my RV8 and it had its first flight by an
> experienced RV driver. I took some lessons in a RV7, but I am not comforta
> ble flying it and scared to fly mine. I am having a hard time getting good
> landings. I am used to flaring over the runway, but he teaches flying it to
> about a foot over the runway and then bleeding off the airspeed until it q
> uits flying. He does this because of the abrupt stalls and does not want it
> to happen too high above the runway. Is this the way others fly RVs. I wou
> ld like some other opinions. I did stall the RV7 and the stall is very rapi
> d without any warning. Thanks, Tom> _______________________________________
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| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Leading edge dings - tip |
Hello,
PROBLEM:
One wing with two dings; both are between ribs on the leading edge; one
on
gas tank, the other further outboard and neither accessible by reaching
inside.
Both dings were what you would get if someone laid a =BC=94 drill
perpendicular
to the leading edge and whacked it with a mallet. The damage was limited
to
the dinged area and there was no deformation of the surrounding leading
edge.
PROCEDURE:
I know it sounds bizarre, but take a weighted rubber mallet and from the
outside (counter intuitive I know) start gently taping around the ding.
How
gentle? Gentle enough that you would tap anywhere on the wing without
worrying about denting it. Tap over, around, above and below as you
don=92t
know where your tapping will have the most effect. After a little bit
you
gain a better feel for what force you can safely apply to the tapping.
Grab
a chair though, as this will take awhile. I started noticing results
after
three to five minutes of continuous tapping.
What results? Both dings actually started working themselves out!
MY =91THEORY=92:
The leading edge skin is stressed like a drum head. You tap the skin
(drum
head) with the mallet pushing it in and the skin rebounds. That rebound
force over time works to return the dinged area to its original
position.
Another way to do this, for the more daring, is to replace the mallet
with
your variable trigger/force rivet gun. Set up a machine-gun type tapping
around the ding once again so gentle you would not hesitate to do it
elsewhere on the wing.
You may transition to this by putting a piece of rubber, grommet, rubber
washer, etc. under the rivet head.
Alas, some dings are so severe, i.e. dents, or located in places, i.e.
the
rib line that this technique will not work. Even so, my technique is
pretty
much =91what have you got to lose=92?
Hope this saves some one from tearing apart their wing or gas tank.
With luck I will not have to test this technique again.
Regards,
Vince H. Idaho
RV8 Glacier Built (Moved to airport last weekend, beginning registration
paperwork=85getting close)
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| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Leading edge dings - tip |
HI Vince-
Sorry to hear of the dings in the unflown bird- sounds like a page out of
my life!
That's an interesting technique for ding removal, but I'm curious about
what work hardening / fatigue issues may crop up. Would you let us know if
any cracks develop in the affected areas?
Tnx-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Leading edge dings - tip |
Guys,
Out of curiosity, since I have a little ding myself in the middle of the
left fuel tank, what it wrong with a little Super-fil if you are painting
your plane? I suspect through the years you will get more dings, would this
not be an acceptable cosmetic fix?
Carl W Bell (CJ)
Building RV 7A - N947CB
http://www.mykitlog.com/carlbell
carlbell(at)gforcecable.com
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of glen matejcek
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:12 AM
Subject: RV8-List: RE: Leading edge dings - tip
HI Vince-
Sorry to hear of the dings in the unflown bird- sounds like a page out of
my life!
That's an interesting technique for ding removal, but I'm curious about
what work hardening / fatigue issues may crop up. Would you let us know if
any cracks develop in the affected areas?
Tnx-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | Dan <dan(at)rdan.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 Quick build kit for sale |
Well I;m going to sell my -8 Quick build kit, Fuselage, wings and tail,
Tail is 95% done, floors and some basic details have been done in the fuselage,
I have not touched the wings.
This is 2 years old I have only a few hundred hours in to it, it has been fun
but for me my dream will come at a better time in my life. Until then,,
The plane is in Lake Stevens Washington. near Seattle / Arlington. new from Vans
is about $24,500.00 and 3-4 months out. Quick build quality looks excellent.
Great jump start for a builder.
Will possibly trade for antique tail-drager cub, champ, Citabra or ?
best offer over 20k
Dan
425 754 0112
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | For Sale - Navaid AP-1 Autopilot - New! |
Fellow Homebuilders,
I have decided to go with a two-axis auto pilot in my RV-4 project
and am selling my single-axis Navid AP-1. This is a brand new unit
with all of accessories, manual, analog Loran/GPS input, and S-2
servo. It has never been installed. No scratches.
Current price from Navaid is $1300 US. I will sell for $1100 plus
shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First
come, first served.
Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are
interested. Below is a picture of the actual unit and included accessories.
Matt Dralle
List Admin / RV-4 Builder
Emacs!
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| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Flap alignment problems - tip |
Hello,
If you are encountering alignment problems in mounting you flaps; like an
unacceptable gap between wing skin and flap, and or the rolled flap top skin
is hitting the flap brace before flap is in trail, I suggest the following:
Inspect the top skin, flap brace, flap hinge intersection and make sure that
you have the hinge on the bottom (or where your plans say it should be) with
the brace sandwiched between the hinge and the top skin. For some reason, I
had sandwiched the hinge between the brace and top skin on my right wing
causing the above problems.
I mention this because you most likely won't catch this when you are
measuring to find out what went wrong. This will lead you to the archives
where I 'gleaned' that the flap prematurely contacting the flap brace is a
'common problem' and the fix is to notch the rolled flap top skin. I wonder
how many of those 'common problems' were the result of a misplaced hinge?
Anyway, the fix is 'relatively' simple. Remove the rivets, reposition the
hinge to the bottom and rivet back in place. In my case the gap is gone and
the flap is in trail when the rolled skin contacts the brace. If not in your
case, you will probably need to add a little more 'roll' to the flap skin. I
used flush rivets where the flap brace steps up on the spar. I also took
this opportunity to drill a pin hole in the aileron mounting bracket to
facilitate removal and insertion of the flaps when the wing is mounted to
the fuselage.
BTW, don't toss the internal cutouts when you make your templates for the
holding the flaps/ailerons in trail. They work great later inside the wing
ends for a quick alignment check and also for inserting (or tracing onto 1"
foam and inserting those) into the wing tips to give them body while you
drill and clecoe..
Regards,
Vince H.
Idaho
RV8 - N8432 (reserved)
The fuselage is at the hanger. I am finishing up wingtips (now that flap
problem is solved), submitting FAA paperwork, and emailing the list when I
should be in bed.
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| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | LED-xpak position lights and Van's wing tip position light extensions |
Hello,
I purchased the LED-Xpak position/strobe light system through ACS. I have
the old style flat top wing tips.
I also purchased the A600 fiber glass wingtip extensions from Van's. I knew
they were specifically for the Whelen system and that they would most likely
have to be modified to fit the xpak housings.
Sure enough, the LED-Xpak housing is longer and narrower so you will have to
do some filling in at the ends using micro balloons. You will also have to
sand the side of the mounting area. This requires some glass layups on the
inside of the mount. The housing requires nuts for mounting so for reasons
of access, you will have to use the plate nut installation option on the
wing tips.
The Xpak housing does mount nicely to the A600 'Whelen' pad so the extra
layup is to cover the extra length. This is cosmetic not structural, hence
the micro balloons. The fiber glass layups on the inside are to prevent
break through when you sand the side to match the more narrow xpak housing.
I spent about four to five hours total modifying the Whelen wingtip
extensions to fit the xpak housings. I like the look so the extra effort was
worth it too me.
Why the xpak system? Simple, I refuse to spend seven or eight hundred
dollars (more for the Whelen LED system) for 4 light bulbs and a flash.
Regards,
Vince H.
Idaho
RV8 - Glacier Built
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | For Sale - RMI uMonitor - NEW - All Probes and Upgrades! |
Dear Listers,
I am selling a new, never used, fully assembled RMI uMonitor with all the probes
for a 4-cylinder engine including Fuel Flow, 4ea EGT, 4ea CGT, Carb Temp, and
Manifold pressure. The uMonitor just had all of the latest hardware and software
updates factory installed including the new high contrast LCD display supporting
Fahrenheit temp readings AND the new LED fiberoptic backlight. Also
included is the Aircraft Extras RM-1B plugin harness extender for the uMonitor
which greatly simplifies the wiring installation.
The uMonitor is in new condition with no scratches and all installation material
and manuals. The pictures below are of the actual unit for sale. The table
below lists all of the items included.
I have nearly $2800 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $2200
plus shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first
served.
Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested.
Matt Dralle
List Admin / RV-4 Builder
1ea - RMI microMONITOR Assembled . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1299.00 $1299.00
1ea - Factory Upgrade of LCD (Fahrenheit Temp Display),
. . . . Fiberoptic LED Backlight, Latest Firmware. . . . . .$ 399.00 $ 399.00
1ea - Manifold Pressure Sensor 10.0 to 59.0 InHg. . . . . . $ 68.00 $ 68.00
2ea - EGT/CHT Multiplex Switch 2 to 6 cylinders . . . . . . $ 60.00 $ 120.00
1ea - Fuel Flow sensor, FloScan 201B-6 - .6 to 60.0 GPH. . .$ 230.00 $ 230.00
1ea - Carb Temp Sensor . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 55.00 $ 55.00
4ea - EGT Thermocouple - tubing clamp type . . . . . . . . .$ 65.00 $ 260.00
4ea - CHT Thermocouple - bayonet type. . . . . . . . . . . .$ 50.00 $ 200.00
1ea - RM-1B Harness Expander, Aircraft Extras. . . . . . . .$ 155.00 $ 155.00
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | For Sale - Skyforce Skymap IIIC - NEW - Latest Database |
Dear Listers,
I am selling my new-in-box Skyforce Skymap IIIC full color GPS moving map with
Topo. The database and firmware were just upgraded 05/2008. Includes a Panel
Mounting bracket, GPS Antenna, cigarette lighter adapter, carrying case, and
all manuals. Brand new, never used. No scratches. The pictures below are of
the actual unit. The LCD color display on the IIIC is extremely nice and very
bright. Gives altitude readout. RS232 output.
I have over $2500 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $2200 plus
shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first
served.
Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested.
Matt Dralle
List Admin / RV-4 Builder
1ea - Skyforce Skymap IIIC w/ GPS and Americas Database. . .$2367.00 . .$2367.00
1ea - Panel Mount. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$98.00 . . .$98.00
1ea - Firmware and Database Update 5/8/2008. . . . . . . . . .$50.00 . . .$50.00
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | For Sale - RMI uEncoder - NEW - Assembled |
Dear Listers,
I am selling a new, never used, fully assembled RMI uEncoder. The uEncoder just
had all of the latest hardware and software updates factory installed including
the new high contrast LCD display supporting Fahrenheit temp readings AND
the new LED fiberoptic backlight. The uEncoder displays airspeed, altitude, fpm,
OAT, and outputs Mode C data for most transponders.
The uEncoder is in new condition with no scratches and all installation material
and manuals. The pictures below are of the actual unit for sale. The table
below lists all of the items included.
I have nearly $1500 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $1100
plus shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first
served.
Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested.
Matt Dralle
List Admin / RV-4 Builder
1ea - RMI microENCODER ASSEMBLED . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1179.00 . $1179.00
1ea - RMI Factory Upgrade of LCD (Fahrenheit Temp, US Miles),
. . . . . . Fiberoptic LED Backlight, Latest Firmware . . . . . $ 315.00 . $ 315.00
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1494.00
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| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Settting the correct Spacing (Gap) between VS Top Rib and Rudder |
Top Rib
Greetings:
The construction of my RV8A (RV7 and RV9 are the
same) the Rudders Top Rib swings OVER the top Rib of
the VS. There is suppose to be a "Gap" between the
two Ribs so that there is no interference (rubbing of
them together) as the Rudder is moved.
My question is - how do you set this Gap up ???
It seems to me that the Rod End Bearings on the Rudder
Spar need to be screwed into the Rudder Spar the "
Final" distance so that the Gap can be set up properly
BEFORE the Rudder Skin is finally riveted to the
Rudders Top Rib (R703) which sets this Gap. My
understanding the dimensions for screwing the Rod End
Bearings as shown on the Drawing 7 is only
"approximate" and needs to be fined tuned later = this
could change this Gap distance.
Or if one marks a center-line on the flange of the
Rudders Top Rib and aligns the pre-punched holes in
the Rudder Skin directly over the "center of this
line", does it Guarantee automatic clearance and a
constant Gap distance when the Rod End bearings are
set to their "Final" screwed-in distance ??????
The Orndorff Tapes show the Rod End bearings installed
in the Rudder Spar (no Rod End Bearing dimensions
given) and mounted to the VS and the Gap set by
bending Up the Rudders Top Rib (R703) to parallel the
VS Top Rib. Maybe I am missing something. So what
worked for you - set the Rod End Bearings "approx" or
align the pre-punched holes in the Rudder Skin
directly over the marked center-line on the Rudders
Top Rib flange and THEN rivet the Rudder Skin ????
Once the Rudder Skin is riveted to the Rudders Top
Rib, the Rudders Top Rib is fixed and can NOT be
readjusted to get the "correct Gap" later.
Appreciate your help, Garey Wittich
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| From: | Brian Huffaker <bifft(at)xmission.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Settting the correct Spacing (Gap) between VS Top Rib and |
Rudder Top Rib
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Garey Wittich wrote:
>
> Greetings:
>
> The construction of my RV8A (RV7 and RV9 are the
> same) the Rudders Top Rib swings OVER the top Rib of
> the VS. There is suppose to be a "Gap" between the
> two Ribs so that there is no interference (rubbing of
> them together) as the Rudder is moved.
>
> My question is - how do you set this Gap up ???
On mine, I had to file the top of the VS down a bit to get the needed
gap. Given the pre-punched holes, there isn't a lot you can play with,
other than changing how far the rod ends are screwed in, move the top ones
a bit further out than the bottom (keeping them in line of course).
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 riviting fuse.
1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
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| From: | Rob <robbax(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | RV8 project for sale |
RV8 #970 tail and wings complete and inspected (Canada) prior to closure.
Excellent workmanship mentored by OSH workmanship award winner. Many reasons
for selling, all of them sad but ...my loss , your gain . $10K US includes
all tools and builders logbook/plans (avery, Cleveland dies, cp straight and
angle drills, cp pneumatic squeezer and a lot of extras)
Items crated and ready to ship. Located in Edmonton Alberta
Robert Baxter
robbax(at)shaw.ca
robert.baxter(at)shell.com
780-464-1719
Mobile 780-901-9959
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| Subject: | Prop lever creep |
| From: | neilmark(at)aol.com |
Has anyone had the prop lever (middle of the 3 levers) creep and if you lock it
down all the time its very annoying since that also locks down the throttle (and
mixture). Applying just enough locking doesn't work since to stop the creep
also immobilizes the other two....any ideas?
Thanks
Neil-RV8A
Brookhaven LI NY
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| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/25/08 |
No ideas on a solution, but that sure is an intriguing problem. Please
report back when you figure out why this is happening and how you fixed
it...
Tnx-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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> 1. 07:08 PM - Prop lever creep (neilmark(at)aol.com)
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> Subject: RV8-List: Prop lever creep
> From: neilmark(at)aol.com
>
> Has anyone had the prop lever (middle of the 3 levers) creep and if you
lock it
> down all the time its very annoying since that also locks down the
throttle (and
> mixture). Applying just enough locking doesn't work since to stop the
creep
> also immobilizes the other two....any ideas?
> Thanks
> Neil-RV8A
> Brookhaven LI NY
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| From: | manuel weber <flyinwithme99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop lever creep |
That's an interesting observation, I had never thought that the way all levers
are on the same locking mechanism, that there may be instances that adjusting
another setting could move one of the other levers....
I fly a twin Comanche that has the same set up....all 6 levers locked on the
same axis...but never seemed to have that trouble...
I will look again at the set up the Comanche uses and get back with you later...maybe
some ideas here...
neilmark(at)aol.com wrote:
Has anyone had the prop lever (middle of the 3 levers) creep and if you lock
it down all the time its very annoying since that also locks down the throttle
(and mixture). Applying just enough locking doesn't work since to stop the creep
also immobilizes the other two....any ideas?
Thanks
Neil-RV8A
Brookhaven LI NY
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| Subject: | Re: Prop lever creep |
| From: | "raddatz" <n667sr(at)comcast.net> |
You could take the spring off the Gov. if you have that kind, but just remember
that if your push pull cable breaks that the prop might be stuck in the last
position. I have taken the spring off of all mine, that allows me to run less
tension on the levers making for smoother operation. Remember if the push-pull
where to fail it would be like landing a fix pitch.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184988#184988
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Keilin" <rkeilin(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop lever creep |
I put a very light spring between the govenor [ MT ] and the bracket
mount to counteract the strong tension. Works great!
----- Original Message -----
From: neilmark(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 3:05 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Prop lever creep
Has anyone had the prop lever (middle of the 3 levers) creep and if
you lock it down all the time its very annoying since that also locks
down the throttle (and mixture). Applying just enough locking doesn't
work since to stop the creep also immobilizes the other two....any
ideas?
Thanks
Neil-RV8A
Brookhaven LI NY
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| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Balancing the Elevators |
Hello,
Does one balance each Horizontal Stabilizer section separately (trim the
lead weights) or as a completed unit connected to the push rods and control
column.
Thanks,
Vince H.
RV-8 (Glacier built) - Registered and in hanger for final assembly.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Balancing the Elevators |
I did each separately as it was just as easy as doing it connected.
Recommend leaving enough weight on to have the elevator trailing edge up.
You will need this to compensate for paint (not an insignificant weight
change as it is all aft of the hinge point). I ended up adding weight back
after painting - and then fixing the paint job where I cut into the elevator
fairing.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (425 hrs)
RV-10 (flaps)
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
Hello,
Does one balance each Horizontal Stabilizer section separately (trim the
lead weights) or as a completed unit connected to the push rods and control
column.
Thanks,
Vince H.
RV-8 (Glacier built) - Registered and in hanger for final assembly.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | manuel weber <flyinwithme99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Balancing the Elevators |
I am assuming, since i could not find the balance criteria in the plans, that the
balance values are "zero" for all surfaces?
Is this correct?
Is it safe to fly the aircraft with some positive balance (trailing edge up for
paint compensation) ?
Carl Froehlich wrote:
I did each separately as it was just as easy as doing it connected.
Recommend leaving enough weight on to have the elevator trailing edge up. You
will need this to compensate for paint (not an insignificant weight change as
it is all aft of the hinge point). I ended up adding weight back after painting
and then fixing the paint job where I cut into the elevator fairing.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (425 hrs)
RV-10 (flaps)
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
Hello,
Does one balance each Horizontal Stabilizer section separately (trim the lead
weights) or as a completed unit connected to the push rods and control column.
Thanks,
Vince H.
RV-8 (Glacier built) Registered and in hanger for final assembly.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Balancing the Elevators |
I asked Van's about this several years ago and got a "no opinion" response.
I would say the amount of weight difference here can be characterized as
cosmetic. I just did not like the "droopy elevator" look when parked.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of manuel weber
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
I am assuming, since i could not find the balance criteria in the plans,
that the balance values are "zero" for all surfaces?
Is this correct?
Is it safe to fly the aircraft with some positive balance (trailing edge up
for paint compensation) ?
Carl Froehlich wrote:
I did each separately as it was just as easy as doing it connected.
Recommend leaving enough weight on to have the elevator trailing edge up.
You will need this to compensate for paint (not an insignificant weight
change as it is all aft of the hinge point). I ended up adding weight back
after painting - and then fixing the paint job where I cut into the elevator
fairing.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (425 hrs)
RV-10 (flaps)
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
Hello,
Does one balance each Horizontal Stabilizer section separately (trim the
lead weights) or as a completed unit connected to the push rods and control
column.
Thanks,
Vince H.
RV-8 (Glacier built) - Registered and in hanger for final assembly.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Glen Matejcek <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/27/08 |
Hi Vince-
IIRC, when I did mine, the side with the trim tab would just about balance without
trimming the weight and before paint. With paint, it won't be able to balance
itself. Hence I would recommend waiting until after paint and do the two
sides together. This was with the electric trim servo in the elevator.
FWIW-
>From: "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com>
>Subject: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
>
>Hello,
>
>
>Does one balance each Horizontal Stabilizer section separately (trim the
>lead weights) or as a completed unit connected to the push rods and control
>column.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Vince H.
>
>RV-8 (Glacier built) - Registered and in hanger for final assembly.
>
Glen Matejcek
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Balancing the Elevators - Ans from Vans |
Received this from Van's
The elevators should be balanced individually - disconnect them from the
pushrod and each other. The lead weight will probably be too heavy and you
will need to remove some of it. However, if you have not painted the
elevators leave the weight about 2-3 oz too heavy so they will balance
when
painted. It is better for the lead weight to be too heavy than too light,
but it is
not critical.
vans
Thanks to all
Vince H.
RV-8 Glacier Built
Moscow, ID
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of manuel weber
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
I am assuming, since i could not find the balance criteria in the plans,
that the balance values are "zero" for all surfaces?
Is this correct?
Is it safe to fly the aircraft with some positive balance (trailing edge up
for paint compensation) ?
Carl Froehlich wrote:
I did each separately as it was just as easy as doing it connected.
Recommend leaving enough weight on to have the elevator trailing edge up.
You will need this to compensate for paint (not an insignificant weight
change as it is all aft of the hinge point). I ended up adding weight back
after painting - and then fixing the paint job where I cut into the elevator
fairing.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (425 hrs)
RV-10 (flaps)
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
Hello,
Does one balance each Horizontal Stabilizer section separately (trim the
lead weights) or as a completed unit connected to the push rods and control
column.
Thanks,
Vince H.
RV-8 (Glacier built) - Registered and in hanger for final assembly.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ptrotter(at)optonline.net |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing the Elevators - Ans from Vans |
Interesting, when I asked Vans the same question they said not to bother balancing
them seperately, just do them together. I guess it depends on who you talk
to there.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Vince-Himsl
Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:44 am
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators - Ans from Vans
> Received this from Van's
>
>
>
> The elevators should be balanced individually - disconnect them
> from the
>
> pushrod and each other. The lead weight will probably be too
> heavy and you
>
> will need to remove some of it. However, if you have not painted
> the
>
> elevators leave the weight about 2-3 oz too heavy so they will balance
>
> when
>
> painted. It is better for the lead weight to be too heavy than
> too light,
>
> but it is
>
> not critical.
>
>
>
> vans
>
>
>
> Thanks to all
>
> Vince H.
>
> RV-8 Glacier Built
>
> Moscow, ID
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of manuel weber
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:57 PM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
>
>
>
> I am assuming, since i could not find the balance criteria in
> the plans,
> that the balance values are "zero" for all surfaces?
>
>
>
> Is this correct?
>
>
>
> Is it safe to fly the aircraft with some positive balance
> (trailing edge up
> for paint compensation) ?
>
> Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> I did each separately as it was just as easy as doing it connected.
>
>
>
> Recommend leaving enough weight on to have the elevator trailing
> edge up.
> You will need this to compensate for paint (not an insignificant
> weightchange as it is all aft of the hinge point). I ended up
> adding weight back
> after painting - and then fixing the paint job where I cut into
> the elevator
> fairing.
>
>
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> RV-8A (425 hrs)
>
> RV-10 (flaps)
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:10 PM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Does one balance each Horizontal Stabilizer section separately
> (trim the
> lead weights) or as a completed unit connected to the push rods
> and control
> column.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Vince H.
>
> RV-8 (Glacier built) - Registered and in hanger for final assembly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | manuel weber <flyinwithme99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Balancing the Elevators |
On most aircraft, the service information will outline a fairly narrow window for
balance criteria, and this can be either positive, negative, or neutral.
I am very suprised there is nothing in the plans or instructions for the RV-8,
unless "balanced" means "neutral" and there is no tolerance.
Carl Froehlich wrote:
I asked Vans about this several years ago and got a no opinion
response.
I would say the amount of weight difference here can be characterized as cosmetic.
I just did not like the droopy elevator look when parked.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of manuel weber
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
I am assuming, since i could not find the balance criteria in the plans, that
the balance values are "zero" for all surfaces?
Is this correct?
Is it safe to fly the aircraft with some positive balance (trailing edge up
for paint compensation) ?
Carl Froehlich wrote:
I did each separately as it was just as easy as doing it connected.
Recommend leaving enough weight on to have the elevator trailing edge up.
You will need this to compensate for paint (not an insignificant weight change
as it is all aft of the hinge point). I ended up adding weight back after painting
and then fixing the paint job where I cut into the elevator fairing.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (425 hrs)
RV-10 (flaps)
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
Hello,
Does one balance each Horizontal Stabilizer section separately (trim the lead
weights) or as a completed unit connected to the push rods and control column.
Thanks,
Vince H.
RV-8 (Glacier built) Registered and in hanger for final assembly.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | manuel weber <flyinwithme99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Balancing the Elevators - Ans from Vans |
Balancing the surfaces individually is the industry standard and makes some sense
as far as physics is concerned....
The dynamics involved, and I only understand it on a very limited level, can
be affected if you balance the surfaces as an assembly. ie, if one is way under
balance and you compensate by adding weight to the other surface.
My opinion is to balance separately.
ptrotter(at)optonline.net wrote:
Interesting, when I asked Vans the same question they said not to bother balancing
them seperately, just do them together. I guess it depends on who you
talk to there.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Vince-Himsl
Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:44 am
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators - Ans from Vans
> Received this from Van's
>
>
>
> The elevators should be balanced individually - disconnect them
> from the
>
> pushrod and each other. The lead weight will probably be too
> heavy and you
>
> will need to remove some of it. However, if you have not painted
> the
>
> elevators leave the weight about 2-3 oz too heavy so they will balance
>
> when
>
> painted. It is better for the lead weight to be too heavy than
> too light,
>
> but it is
>
> not critical.
>
>
>
> vans
>
>
>
> Thanks to all
>
> Vince H.
>
> RV-8 Glacier Built
>
> Moscow, ID
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of manuel weber
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:57 PM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
>
>
>
> I am assuming, since i could not find the balance criteria in
> the plans,
> that the balance values are "zero" for all surfaces?
>
>
>
> Is this correct?
>
>
>
> Is it safe to fly the aircraft with some positive balance
> (trailing edge up
> for paint compensation) ?
>
> Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> I did each separately as it was just as easy as doing it connected.
>
>
>
> Recommend leaving enough weight on to have the elevator trailing
> edge up.
> You will need this to compensate for paint (not an insignificant
> weightchange as it is all aft of the hinge point). I ended up
> adding weight back
> after painting - and then fixing the paint job where I cut into
> the elevator
> fairing.
>
>
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> RV-8A (425 hrs)
>
> RV-10 (flaps)
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vince-Himsl
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:10 PM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Balancing the Elevators
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Does one balance each Horizontal Stabilizer section separately
> (trim the
> lead weights) or as a completed unit connected to the push rods
> and control
> column.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Vince H.
>
> RV-8 (Glacier built) - Registered and in hanger for final assembly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vince-Himsl" <vhimsl(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Aluminum Repair Videos web site |
I came across this really cool web site with videos for showing how to
repair aluminum (other stuff too).
http://www.muggyweld.com/video.html
Vince H.
RV8 - In hanger for final assembly
Moscow, ID
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Bending Trailing Edge of a "One" Piece Rudder Skin |
Greetings:
A note that might help you. With the 1/8" dowel rod
taped to the inside of the trailing edge of the Rudder
Skin, I placed a towel inside the Skin covering the
Skin Stiffeners. Using Vans recommended wood bending
brake I was able to bend the Skin so it just touched
the Rudder's Spar. It took about 9 compressions of
the Skin to accomplish this - each time it got closer
to touching the Spar. During the bending of the Skin
the Stiffeners did NOT do any damage to the Skin
because of the towel - even though they came in
contact with the Skin during the last 2 or 3
compressions.
The Skin came out flat until the last 1/8" (as
desired) of the trailing edge near the bottom and top
Ribs and the worst was 3/8" along the trailing edge.
To get the desired 1/8" radius, I took my Hand Seamer
(about 2" wide) and put 6 layers of masking tape on
each jaw surface for padding - so as not to dent the
Skin. Placed the Hand Seamer's rear edge about 1/2"
from the trailing edge and gave a gentle squeeze (a
few times as required) where the radius needed to be
better - making sure the Squeezer was applying EQUAL
pressure on both sides of the Skin. This worked well
- no dented Skin.
The Wooden Brake I made was made out of a straight (in
length) 2" X 8" that had been sawed in half to make 2,
2" X 4"s. The bending surfaces were "plained" with a
carpenters adjustable electrical plainer to make them
absolutely "smooth" and covered with Duct Tape.
Hope this helps someone, Garey (Santa Monica, CA)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Will Allen" <will(at)flipsideaerobatics.com> |
| Subject: | RV8 tail and mostly unfinished wings for sale |
RV8 completed tail and 15% completed wings for sale. Hoping for kit
price or
best reasonable offer. Usual story, no time to finish cause I=92m flying
aerobatics too much ;) can give more info and pics on request.
Oh, I=92m in the Seattle area.
Thanks,
Will Allen
(425) 785-9922
will(at)flipsideaerobatics.com
www.flipsideaerobatics.com
Checked by AVG.
6/28/2008
7:00 AM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE:List: Audio panel |
That's what I used as well. Good unit, good price, good support.
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
> Hi:
>
> I am looking for an audio panel, the round type, 2/1/4 due to lack
> of space...where would be the best place to find one, hopefully a used
> one.
>
> Cannot afford, a new one, too much for my wallet..
>
> any suggestions appreciated.
>
>
> bert
>
> rv6a
>
> This is the only one I know of, although it is not stereo.
>
> http://www.ps-engineering.com/pma4000.shtml
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "E Stone" <estone(at)mchsi.com> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Will Allen" <will(at)flipsideaerobatics.com> |
| Subject: | Places to list RV8 kit for sale? |
Can anyone guide me to the best place to advertise my tail and wing kit
that
I=92m trying to sell? I=92m not sure if craigslist would hit the right
people.
Will Allen
(425) 785-9922
will(at)flipsideaerobatics.com
www.flipsideaerobatics.com
Checked by AVG.
10:15 AM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tony Johnson" <tonyjohnson(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Places to list RV8 kit for sale? |
www.vansairforce.com
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will Allen
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:19 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Places to list RV8 kit for sale?
Can anyone guide me to the best place to advertise my tail and wing kit that
I'm trying to sell? I'm not sure if craigslist would hit the right people.
Will Allen
(425) 785-9922
will(at)flipsideaerobatics.com
www.flipsideaerobatics.com
Checked by AVG.
10:15 AM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Reginald C. Smith, Sr." <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: RV-List: Places to list RV8 kit for sale? |
Barnstormers is one of the best places to advertise... Folks from all over
the country see the ads. try them: www.barnstormers.com
RC.
RV-6 Wings/Tail
starting fuselage.
From: will(at)flipsideaerobatics.comTo: rv8-list(at)matronics.com=3B rv-list@matr
onics.comSubject: RV-List: Places to list RV8 kit for sale?Date: Sat=2C 5 J
Can anyone guide me to the best place to advertise my tail and wing kit tha
t I=92m trying to sell? I=92m not sure if craigslist would hit the right pe
ople.
Will Allen
(425) 785-9922
will(at)flipsideaerobatics.com
www.flipsideaerobatics.com
_________________________________________________________________
The i=92m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world?
http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mitch Black" <mitch1(at)goldstate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Places to list RV8 kit for sale? |
Places to list RV8 kit for sale?Will,
What exactly are you selling and what are you asking for it? If it is
something I need at a great price it would be fairly easy to make the
transaction.
Mitch Black
Olympia, WA
206-245-8960
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Johnson
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 7:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Places to list RV8 kit for sale?
www.vansairforce.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will Allen
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:19 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: Places to list RV8 kit for sale?
Can anyone guide me to the best place to advertise my tail and wing
kit that I'm trying to sell? I'm not sure if craigslist would hit the
right people.
Will Allen
(425) 785-9922
will(at)flipsideaerobatics.com
www.flipsideaerobatics.com
Checked by AVG.
10:15 AM
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Thomas <flightlogic(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Places to list RV8 kit for sale? |
I sold mine on Barnstormers.com
David Thomas
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will Allen
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 7:19 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Places to list RV8 kit for sale?
Can anyone guide me to the best place to advertise my tail and wing kit that
I'm trying to sell? I'm not sure if craigslist would hit the right people.
Will Allen
(425) 785-9922
will(at)flipsideaerobatics.com
www.flipsideaerobatics.com
Checked by AVG.
10:15 AM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8... |
RV Listers,
Grove makes a streamlined, airfoiled landing gear for the RV-8. Saves having to
use the fiberglass. They also have the brake line embedded within the gear
leg. Over all, they weigh a few pounds less.
Does anyone have any experience with these gear legs? What is the cost differential
over the stock ones? Do they fit as good or better than stock?
Should an RV-8 builder bother with the hassle of deleting the stock ones from the
Van's kit and ordering these?
And another historic question... Why-o-why did Van's get away from the super sweet
looking swept-back, Whitman-style gear on the RV-8? The spring steel, forward
facing gear on the RV-8 just look dopy...
Matt
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| From: | "james d winkler" <madman266(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8... |
Better in every aspect except price. They probably cost about 2000$ and vans
will take 500 off. Well worth it. j
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8...
RV Listers,
Grove makes a streamlined, airfoiled landing gear for the RV-8. Saves
having to use the fiberglass. They also have the brake line embedded within
the gear leg. Over all, they weigh a few pounds less.
Does anyone have any experience with these gear legs? What is the cost
differential over the stock ones? Do they fit as good or better than stock?
Should an RV-8 builder bother with the hassle of deleting the stock ones
from the Van's kit and ordering these?
And another historic question... Why-o-why did Van's get away from the super
sweet looking swept-back, Whitman-style gear on the RV-8? The spring steel,
forward facing gear on the RV-8 just look dopy...
Matt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8... |
| From: | "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com> |
I'm doing the Grove gear and though my plane is a long way from flying I
can tell you that the groves are very nice indeed. Cost is obviously a fa
ctor but I felt it was worth it. I guess only time will tell when I taxi/
take off/land the first time.
Check out this entry (and subsequent others) in my kitlog for the install
ation thereof:-
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=jpreou&project=45&
category=0&log=45580&row=150
Other builders have good websites as well, and a google search will turn
up a whole lot more info for you.
--
Jeff
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@m
atronics.com]
Sent: Mon 7/7/2008 04:08
Subject: RV8-List: Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8...
RV Listers,
Grove makes a streamlined, airfoiled landing gear for the RV-8. Saves ha
ving to use the fiberglass. They also have the brake line embedded withi
n the gear leg. Over all, they weigh a few pounds less.
Does anyone have any experience with these gear legs? What is the cost d
ifferential over the stock ones? Do they fit as good or better than stoc
k?
Should an RV-8 builder bother with the hassle of deleting the stock ones
from the Van's kit and ordering these?
And another historic question... Why-o-why did Van's get away from the su
per sweet looking swept-back, Whitman-style gear on the RV-8? The spring
steel, forward facing gear on the RV-8 just look dopy...
Matt
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| From: | "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8... |
Matt,
I have the non-airfoil shaped Grove gear on my -8 and have about 350
hours on them so far. First of all the gear has performed flawlessly
and was a very easy retrofit. I always seem to take a bit of a hit for
my position but I believe you ought to strongly consider the non-airfoil
gear as well. The reason being is that first, they are about six pounds
lighter than the airfoil shaped gear and seventeen pounds lighter than
Van's steel gear. I verified this against the steel gear that I still
have in my basement (they're for sale if anyone is interested in a good
deal). Second, they're less expensive than the airfoil shaped gear.
And third, you really don't save much time with regard to the
fiberglass. I used the fiberglass gear fairing Mark Frederick sells for
the F-1 Rocket. It's a perfect fit and extremely easy to attach. You
simply glue the trailing edge together and you're done. The rectangular
shape of the gear automatically aligns the fiberglass fairing. If you
want top and bottom intersection fairings, like most people do, you
still have install them on with the airfoil shaped gear. If you make
your own that's where most of the fiberglass work comes into play. The
only real benefit to the airfoil shaped gear in my opinion is if your
really want a polished aluminum gear. But the loss of six pound,
especially up front for an -8, is pretty significant.
Rick McBride
http://www.mykitlog.com/rickrv8/>
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Preou<mailto:jeff(at)preou.com>
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8...
I'm doing the Grove gear and though my plane is a long way from flying
I can tell you that the groves are very nice indeed. Cost is obviously a
factor but I felt it was worth it. I guess only time will tell when I
taxi/take off/land the first time.
Check out this entry (and subsequent others) in my kitlog for the
installation thereof:-
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=jpreou&project=45&
category=0&log=45580&row=150<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_
log.php?user=jpreou&project=45&category=0&log=45580&row=150>
Other builders have good websites as well, and a google search will
turn up a whole lot more info for you.
--
Jeff
________________________________
From:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]
Sent: Mon 7/7/2008 04:08
To: Jeff Preou; rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8...
>
RV Listers,
Grove makes a streamlined, airfoiled landing gear for the RV-8. Saves
having to use the fiberglass. They also have the brake line embedded
within the gear leg. Over all, they weigh a few pounds less.
Does anyone have any experience with these gear legs? What is the
cost differential over the stock ones? Do they fit as good or better
than stock?
Should an RV-8 builder bother with the hassle of deleting the stock
ones from the Van's kit and ordering these?
And another historic question... Why-o-why did Van's get away from the
super sweet looking swept-back, Whitman-style gear on the RV-8? The
spring steel, forward facing gear on the RV-8 just look dopy...
Matt
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| From: | Al Grajek <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8... |
Yes=2C But>> I have the airfoil gear on my 8 and they are SWEEEET. If you c
an afford the difference it is worth it. And the drilled brake lines are gr
eat.
Al Grajek
From: rickrv8(at)msn.comTo: rv8-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: RV8-List: Grove
Streamlined Gear For RV-8...Date: Sun=2C 6 Jul 2008 17:49:04 -0400
Matt=2C
I have the non-airfoil shaped Grove gear on my -8 and have about 350 hours
on them so far. First of all the gear has performed flawlessly and was a v
ery easy retrofit. I always seem to take a bit of a hit for my position bu
t I believe you ought to strongly consider the non-airfoil gear as well. T
he reason being is that first=2C they are about six pounds lighter than the
airfoil shaped gear and seventeen pounds lighter than Van's steel gear. I
verified this against the steel gear that I still have in my basement (the
y're for sale if anyone is interested in a good deal). Second=2C they're l
ess expensive than the airfoil shaped gear. And third=2C you really don't
save much time with regard to the fiberglass. I used the fiberglass gear f
airing Mark Frederick sells for the F-1 Rocket. It's a perfect fit and ext
remely easy to attach. You simply glue the trailing edge together and you'
re done. The rectangular shape of the gear automatically aligns the fiberg
lass fairing. If you want top and bottom intersection fairings=2C like mos
t people do=2C you still have install them on with the airfoil shaped gear.
If you make your own that's where most of the fiberglass work comes into
play. The only real benefit to the airfoil shaped gear in my opinion is if
your really want a polished aluminum gear. But the loss of six pound=2C e
specially up front for an -8=2C is pretty significant.
Rick McBride
http://www.mykitlog.com/rickrv8/
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Preou
Sent: Sunday=2C July 06=2C 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8...
I'm doing the Grove gear and though my plane is a long way from flying I ca
n tell you that the groves are very nice indeed. Cost is obviously a factor
but I felt it was worth it. I guess only time will tell when I taxi/take o
ff/land the first time. Check out this entry (and subsequent others) in my
kitlog for the installation thereof:-http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_
log.php?user=jpreou&project=45&category=0&log=45580&row=150 Other
builders have good websites as well=2C and a google search will turn up a
whole lot more info for you.--Jeff ________________________________From: o
wner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.
com]Sent: Mon 7/7/2008 04:08To: Jeff Preou=3B rv8-list(at)matronics.comSubject
: RV8-List: Grove Streamlined Gear For RV-8...--> RV8-List message posted b
y: Matt Dralle RV Listers=2CGrove makes a streamlined
=2C airfoiled landing gear for the RV-8. Saves having to use the fiberglas
s. They also have the brake line embedded within the gear leg. Over all
=2C they weigh a few pounds less.Does anyone have any experience with these
gear legs? What is the cost differential over the stock ones? Do they fi
t as good or better than stock?Should an RV-8 builder bother with the hassl
e of deleting the stock ones from the Van's kit and ordering these?And anot
her historic question... Why-o-why did Van's get away from the super sweet
looking swept-back=2C Whitman-style gear on the RV-8? The spring steel=2C
forward facing gear on the RV-8 just look dopy...Matt######################
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| From: | jim-bean(at)att.net |
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| From: | "Ron Keilin" <rkeilin(at)cfl.rr.com> |
Where do you get the single pushrod instead of the chains and springs
for the RV-8 tail wheel?
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| From: | "edward Clegg" <edwclg(at)gmail.com> |
Goggle silver bullet
On 7/7/08, Ron Keilin wrote:
>
> Where do you get the single pushrod instead of the chains and springs for
> the RV-8 tail wheel?
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | ulf(at)megadoor.com |
| Subject: | Yahoo! Auto Response |
Dear All,
I am on vacation until July 21.
I will be checking my e-mail but maybe not at frequent as usual. I will be in the
US and can be reach via my cell phone. If you need to reach me urgently please
call my mobile or call the office and talk to Kathy she knows how to reach
me. Office phone +1770-631-2600 and ext 0 for Kathy.
Have a great summer.
Ulf Petersson
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| From: | "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com> |
Ron,
I presume that you are refering to the tailwheel steering aparatus
similar to my RV8. Mine was made and sold by Terry Jantzi who I think
has discontinued the business and sold it to a third party. I don't
know who. If I hear of whoever is making them now, I will let you know.
See you in January.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Keilin
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:59 PM
Subject: RV8-List: tail wheel
Where do you get the single pushrod instead of the chains and springs
for the RV-8 tail wheel?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Hunsicker" <greg(at)furnacesafetyconsultants.com> |
www.fullthrottleconcepts.com
This linkage works great and is oh high quality. I used Jantzi link for
many years but this one has been superior for the past 3 years
Greg Hunsicker
RV-8 600 hrs
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dick martin
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: tail wheel
Ron,
I presume that you are refering to the tailwheel steering aparatus similar
to my RV8. Mine was made and sold by Terry Jantzi who I think has
discontinued the business and sold it to a third party. I don't know who.
If I hear of whoever is making them now, I will let you know. See you in
January.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Keilin <mailto:rkeilin(at)cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:59 PM
Subject: RV8-List: tail wheel
Where do you get the single pushrod instead of the chains and springs for
the RV-8 tail wheel?
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Hunsicker" <greg(at)furnacesafetyconsultants.com> |
www.fullthrottleconceptsonline.com
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hunsicker
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: tail wheel
www.fullthrottleconcepts.com
This linkage works great and is oh high quality. I used Jantzi link for
many years but this one has been superior for the past 3 years
Greg Hunsicker
RV-8 600 hrs
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dick martin
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: tail wheel
Ron,
I presume that you are refering to the tailwheel steering aparatus similar
to my RV8. Mine was made and sold by Terry Jantzi who I think has
discontinued the business and sold it to a third party. I don't know who.
If I hear of whoever is making them now, I will let you know. See you in
January.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Keilin <mailto:rkeilin(at)cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:59 PM
Subject: RV8-List: tail wheel
Where do you get the single pushrod instead of the chains and springs for
the RV-8 tail wheel?
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
- The RV8-List Email Forum -
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel Steering |
| From: | Martin Sobel <rv8vator(at)comcast.net> |
I think this is what you are looking for:
http://www.rivethead-aero.com/web1-1_012.htm
Martin Sobel
RV-8 Wings
N61MV
7040 Treymore Court
Sarasota, FL 34243-5500
941-359-8693
941-539-4806 (Cell)
941-355-7732 (Fax)
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| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
Stan Loer
stazel(at)cpros.com
I'm looking for suggestions for installing an extra pitot line in my
left Q/B wing for input to the Dynon AOA system. I'm sure I can figure
something out, but suspect it's been done more than once already. Just
haven't seen anything specifically addressing this on builders' web
sites.
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| From: | "Paul Wilson" <paul(at)wilsonnet.flyer.co.uk> |
Hello listers, I spotted these RV8 parts for sale in the UK on the Afors
web site today, they may do someone some good.
Paul
http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=9873&imid=0
http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=9874&imid=0
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 10:1 Compression / IO-360 200 HP |
Does anyone have any experience with 10:1 compression in a IO-360 200 HP engine?
* What are the down sides of running 10:1 in that engine?
* What is the HP gain?
* What is the impact to TBO?
* What is the impact to reliability?
If you've done it, would you do it again, or just go with the standard 8.7:1 compression?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
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| Subject: | 10:1 Compression / IO-360 200 HP |
| From: | "BPA" <BPA(at)bpaengines.com> |
Matt,
I think I can answer your questions.
* The down side to running 10:1 pistons in the 200 hp IO-360 is the
increase
in cylinder pressures and bearing loads, particularly the rod
bearings.
* We see an increase of approximately 6-8 HP on our dynamometer.
* You can just about count on a 1,000 hour TBO with 10:1 pistons
* See last answer!
TBO's are subjective and more dependant on operator input, maintenance
and frequency of use, or lack thereof.
Hope this helps,
Allen
BPE, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: RV8-List: 10:1 Compression / IO-360 200 HP
Does anyone have any experience with 10:1 compression in a IO-360 200 HP
engine?
* What are the down sides of running 10:1 in that engine?
* What is the HP gain?
* What is the impact to TBO?
* What is the impact to reliability?
If you've done it, would you do it again, or just go with the standard
8.7:1 compression?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 "Tall-man" Option... |
Fellow Listers,
What exactly does the RV-8 "Tall-man" option entail? What modifications are made
to the seat, weldment, etc? I'm not finding any mention of it on the plans.
If you order the Tall-man option with the QB kit, can you opt for the "Regular-man"
option at build time?
Knowing nothing about what it actually is, I assume it pushes the weldment back
some allowing you to mount the pilot's seat further aft. While I am a "Tall-man",
my preference would actually be to increase the pilot's seat back recline
amount by moving the weldment back, but leaving the bottom of the seat in the
normal position. Is this possible?
Does anyone have any detailed pictures of what the Tall-man option looks like and
specifically how it differs from the Regular-man option?
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
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| From: | "Speed 3 Guy" <speed3guy(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | RV-8 "Tall-man" Option... |
Matt,
The "Tall-man" option is exactly what you want then. All it is, is a
different seat back weldment that lets the seat back recline further than
stock. The bottom of the seat remains in the standard location.
Guy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:55 AM
Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 "Tall-man" Option...
Fellow Listers,
What exactly does the RV-8 "Tall-man" option entail? What modifications are
made to the seat, weldment, etc? I'm not finding any mention of it on the
plans. If you order the Tall-man option with the QB kit, can you opt for
the "Regular-man" option at build time?
Knowing nothing about what it actually is, I assume it pushes the weldment
back some allowing you to mount the pilot's seat further aft. While I am a
"Tall-man", my preference would actually be to increase the pilot's seat
back recline amount by moving the weldment back, but leaving the bottom of
the seat in the normal position. Is this possible?
Does anyone have any detailed pictures of what the Tall-man option looks
like and specifically how it differs from the Regular-man option?
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 "Tall-man" Option... |
Awesome! How perfect!
Thanks!
Matt
At 10:37 AM 7/20/2008 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>
>The "Tall-man" option is exactly what you want then. All it is, is a
>different seat back weldment that lets the seat back recline further than
>stock. The bottom of the seat remains in the standard location.
>
>Guy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
>Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:55 AM
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 "Tall-man" Option...
>
>
>Fellow Listers,
>
>What exactly does the RV-8 "Tall-man" option entail? What modifications are
>made to the seat, weldment, etc? I'm not finding any mention of it on the
>plans. If you order the Tall-man option with the QB kit, can you opt for
>the "Regular-man" option at build time?
>
>Knowing nothing about what it actually is, I assume it pushes the weldment
>back some allowing you to mount the pilot's seat further aft. While I am a
>"Tall-man", my preference would actually be to increase the pilot's seat
>back recline amount by moving the weldment back, but leaving the bottom of
>the seat in the normal position. Is this possible?
>
>Does anyone have any detailed pictures of what the Tall-man option looks
>like and specifically how it differs from the Regular-man option?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Paul Schattauer <chasm711(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 "Tall-man" Option... |
Matt
It bolts on using the same holes as the regular weldment. It reclines the
seat about another inch=2C slightly reducing the rear seat passengers space
. Works great for me and I'm 5'11"
Paul
October 20, 2007 - July 20, 2008
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