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| Subject: | Canopy Sliding Latch |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Adding last touches to my RV-8a and bought Van's canopy latch. Really expe
nsive part. Shouldn't the amount cut off the canopy pipe equal the withe
of the latch metal thickness? Hope somebody knows. Thanks, Bill of Georgi
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Dear Listers,
I'm in the market for a top-notch canopy cover for the RV-8. I'm wanting the highest
quality materials and workmanship on the product. I want it for overnight
trips where it might rain so it needs to completely cover the front baggage
door. When folded up, I don't want it to completely fill the limited rear baggage
area in the RV-8, either.
I Google RV-8 Canopy Cover as well as looked at Van's Online catalog, and there
seems to be plenty of "options", but I'm looking for some empirical data on quality,
fit, and stowage.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor...
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
I'm pleased with the one I purchased from Cleaveland Tools. I use it only
for travel when I have to park on the ramp. It's eight years old and still
looks like new. It rides on the rear baggage shelf behind the tool kit (in
other words it takes up very little space).
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (600 hrs)
RV-10 (systems install)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:56 PM
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: Canopy Covers
Dear Listers,
I'm in the market for a top-notch canopy cover for the RV-8. I'm wanting
the highest quality materials and workmanship on the product. I want it for
overnight trips where it might rain so it needs to completely cover the
front baggage door. When folded up, I don't want it to completely fill the
limited rear baggage area in the RV-8, either.
I Google RV-8 Canopy Cover as well as looked at Van's Online catalog, and
there seems to be plenty of "options", but I'm looking for some empirical
data on quality, fit, and stowage.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor...
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Covers |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
I have a Bruce's Custom covers.... I've had it for 8 years and it still looks
new. Sunbrella material, lots of colors.... I liked it so much I already bought
one for my -10, even though it is not flying yet....
-Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 1, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I'm in the market for a top-notch canopy cover for the RV-8. I'm wanting the
highest quality materials and workmanship on the product. I want it for overnight
trips where it might rain so it needs to completely cover the front baggage
door. When folded up, I don't want it to completely fill the limited rear
baggage area in the RV-8, either.
>
> I Google RV-8 Canopy Cover as well as looked at Van's Online catalog, and there
seems to be plenty of "options", but I'm looking for some empirical data on
quality, fit, and stowage.
>
> Thanks in advance for your feedback!
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor...
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Nutplate installation |
I'm ready to install the nutplates for the forward bolts in the F445
Flap Bearing Blocks. The instructions say that a rivet squeezer can be
made from a pair of vice grips, since there is no access for a regular
squeezer. Seems very crude to me. Is this the way other builders have
installed these?
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
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| From: | Mark Merrell <mark.merrell(at)ymail.com> |
I don't want to start a war. I just want to know where I can get only a gal
lon of wash primer. My local Sherwin Williams says they only sell-P60G2
-five gallons at a time at $60/gallon.
Mark=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power VP-X Electrical Systems |
At 06:12 PM 8/8/2010 Sunday, you wrote:
>Thank you for all your comments on fuel pumps and fuel selectors. Another area
that I am starting work to work on is the electrical system. The Vertical Power
VP-X systems seems to greatly simply the wiring process. I would appreciate
any feedback on using the VP-X, I admit I am electrically challenged and
anything to simplify putting together the electrical system would be helpful.
Does is save time and simplify the wiring process?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Vmax
Hi Heyden,
I have the Vertical Power VP-200 system in my RV-8 and love it. I wouldn't build
another homebuilt without one. I have a great deal of experience documentation
on my RV-8 Construction log under the "Electrical" and "Avionics" sections.
Below are links to each. Scroll down on the respective pages.
Electrical System
----------------
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=3912
Avionics Systems
----------------
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971
(Look around 03-25-2009 for the final wiring installation).
Marc Ausman of Vertical Power was a tremendous help to me during the design and
installation of the electrical system. My score for the VP-200 system? 10/10.
Hands down the coolest way to build a modern day aircraft electrical system.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor...
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration! |
We flew up to Brownsville California on Saturday and since the RV-8 had just had
baby's first bath since the test flight (now at 85 hours TTSN, and almost 10,000
miles), there were some great opportunities for photo ops. Everyday I seem
to enjoy flying the RV-8 even more. It is truly a joy to fly in every respect.
On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to 18,000ft
(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH, and
202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less reserves.
Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo, its a truly amazing machine!
Keep at it! You won't be sorry! It is so worth all the hard work!
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor...
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration |
Matt,
I must be doing something wrong because my IO-390 powered RV-8A numbers
aren't even close to yours.
At 7K', to get 177 KTAS (204 MPH TAS) I have to burn 10.2 GPH and turn 2450
RPM. I can get 3000 FPM climb, but only to pattern altitude. Enroute
climb at 145-150 KIAS produces only 600 FPM. I've climbed to 15.5K' and I'm
planning a test flight to FL240 - to see if it will make it.
I have Bower's ram air and a MT 3 blade - both of which should help with
high altitude performance.
I'm planning a trip from FL to VT in 2 weeks, so I'll see how my cruise
numbers are after that flight.
But, with the numbers I have now, I'm nowhere near your numbers.
I wonder why?
Stan Sutterfield
rv-8a.net
On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
18,000ft
(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH, and
202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less
reserves.
Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William L. Paulin" <wpaulin(at)usa.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brownsville California Photos - Inspiration |
Airspeed calibration error .... or drag?
BIll
On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:36 AM, Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
Matt,
I must be doing something wrong because my IO-390 powered RV-8A numbers
aren't even close to yours.
At 7K', to get 177 KTAS (204 MPH TAS) I have to burn 10.2 GPH and turn
2450 RPM. I can get 3000 FPM climb, but only to pattern altitude.
Enroute climb at 145-150 KIAS produces only 600 FPM. I've climbed to
15.5K' and I'm planning a test flight to FL240 - to see if it will make
it.
I have Bower's ram air and a MT 3 blade - both of which should help with
high altitude performance.
I'm planning a trip from FL to VT in 2 weeks, so I'll see how my cruise
numbers are after that flight.
But, with the numbers I have now, I'm nowhere near your numbers.
I wonder why?
Stan Sutterfield
rv-8a.net
On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
18,000ft
(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH,
and
202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less
reserves.
Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo
*********************************
William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
PaulinNeal Associates
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)paulinneal.com
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| Subject: | Re: Nutplate installation |
| From: | "pilotjt" <jtmccracken(at)gmail.com> |
Stan,
Have you tried nutplate rivets? They can be installed with a standard rivet puller.
:)
http://www.cherryaerospace.com/html/product/blindrivets.html
--------
Regards, JT
RV8 N110JT
FWF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309092#309092
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
I've done multiple GPS speed calculations and all of the TAS calculations
came within one knot of the EFIS TAS numbers, so if I have a CAS error, it
is not very large.
My A is less draggy than a neighbors 390 powered A and we've used WOT side
by side and I pull away from him. I'm also working on reducing drag before
painting in the fall. I'm working on winglets, I'm fairing the aileron
hinges and fuel drains, I'm working on cooling air drag, I'm making mods to
the wheel pants, I have straight exhaust pipes for "jet effect," and other
speed mods.
The best I can do right now is 184 KIAS at 1K" - WOT and 2680 RPM. My goa
l, with mods, is to indicate 188. I just can't seem to get the numbers
that others are getting.
Stan Sutterfield
Airspeed calibration error .... or drag?
BIll
Matt,
I must be doing something wrong because my IO-390 powered RV-8A numbers
aren't even close to yours.
At 7K', to get 177 KTAS (204 MPH TAS) I have to burn 10.2 GPH and turn
2450 RPM. I can get 3000 FPM climb, but only to pattern altitude.
Enroute climb at 145-150 KIAS produces only 600 FPM. I've climbed to
15.5K' and I'm planning a test flight to FL240 - to see if it will make
it.
I have Bower's ram air and a MT 3 blade - both of which should help with
high altitude performance.
I'm planning a trip from FL to VT in 2 weeks, so I'll see how my cruise
numbers are after that flight.
But, with the numbers I have now, I'm nowhere near your numbers.
I wonder why?
Stan Sutterfield
rv-8a.net
On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
18,000ft
(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH,
and
202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less
reserves.
Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo
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| From: | "William L. Paulin" <wpaulin(at)usa.net> |
Sorry to act like an expert when I am only an obsolete aerodynamisist
but:
1. If you are relatively sure of your weight, airspeed, altitude and
engine calibrations (i.e., sure you are pretty close to lift, speed,
altitude and thrust measures), then
2. Since T= D & L=W in unaccelerated flight,
3. Either your D is higher than the others (due to W --> L --> D ... or
just D items), or they are wrong in their airplane performance measures.
4. If you believe their claims (I'd be careful here), then you have
more W, less T or more D than you think.
But since you pull away from your friend (and assuming his calibrations
are OK), then my personal guess is that you have to doubt the other's
claims / calibrations.
If you don't, then my personal guess would be that since you probably
know your engine (T) and W pretty well (but I am not an engine expert),
the airframe D is the problem (out of rig, bad airfoils, etc., etc.) ...
but your problem then becomes endless. Flying side by side seems the
simplest way to get at differing "calibrations."
But again, I am just guessing and probably no help at all.
Bill
On Aug 17, 2010, at 7:08 AM, Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
I've done multiple GPS speed calculations and all of the TAS
calculations came within one knot of the EFIS TAS numbers, so if I have
a CAS error, it is not very large.
My A is less draggy than a neighbors 390 powered A and we've used WOT
side by side and I pull away from him. I'm also working on reducing
drag before painting in the fall. I'm working on winglets, I'm fairing
the aileron hinges and fuel drains, I'm working on cooling air drag, I'm
making mods to the wheel pants, I have straight exhaust pipes for "jet
effect," and other speed mods.
The best I can do right now is 184 KIAS at 1K" - WOT and 2680 RPM. My
goal, with mods, is to indicate 188. I just can't seem to get the
numbers that others are getting.
Stan Sutterfield
Airspeed calibration error .... or drag?
BIll
Matt,
I must be doing something wrong because my IO-390 powered RV-8A numbers
aren't even close to yours.
At 7K', to get 177 KTAS (204 MPH TAS) I have to burn 10.2 GPH and turn
2450 RPM. I can get 3000 FPM climb, but only to pattern altitude.
Enroute climb at 145-150 KIAS produces only 600 FPM. I've climbed to
15.5K' and I'm planning a test flight to FL240 - to see if it will make
it.
I have Bower's ram air and a MT 3 blade - both of which should help with
high altitude performance.
I'm planning a trip from FL to VT in 2 weeks, so I'll see how my cruise
numbers are after that flight.
But, with the numbers I have now, I'm nowhere near your numbers.
I wonder why?
Stan Sutterfield
rv-8a.net
On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
18,000ft
(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH,
and
202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less
reserves.
Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo
***********************************
William & Sandra Paulin
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Bill
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
Sandy
Cell +1 858 349 1729
Office +1 928 443 7739
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| From: | Brian Huffaker <bifft(at)xmission.com> |
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
> The best I can do right now is 184 KIAS at 1K" - WOT and 2680 RPM. My goa
> l, with mods, is to indicate 188. I just can't seem to get the numbers
> that others are getting.
I wonder how much of the difference is knots indicated vs mph true?
184 knots indicated would be 212 mph at sea level, about the same as Van's
180hp numbers.
> On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
> 2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
This calculator:
http://www.newbyte.co.il/calc.html
shows 204 TAS at 7000' (standard atmosphere) to be 184 mph CAS, or 160
KIAS.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 Fitting wings
1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
On multiple occasions, I have seen a top speed of 229-230 mph true at about 2000
msl, full throttle, and 2700 rpm, and gently leaned. This was confirmed by
the GPS GS from both the EFIS GPS and the Kenwood GPS. The autopilot was on to
assure no ascending/descending error. These were on cool evenings (70-75f).
That being said, there are other days when it won't go much above 222-225 mph.
I will rig up the cockpit HD video camera again to verify my readings...
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 90+ Hours TTSN - Enjoying Every Minute...
At 07:08 AM 8/17/2010 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>I've done multiple GPS speed calculations and all of the TAS calculations came
within one knot of the EFIS TAS numbers, so if I have a CAS error, it is not
very large.
>My A is less draggy than a neighbors 390 powered A and we've used WOT side by
side and I pull away from him. I'm also working on reducing drag before painting
in the fall. I'm working on winglets, I'm fairing the aileron hinges and
fuel drains, I'm working on cooling air drag, I'm making mods to the wheel pants,
I have straight exhaust pipes for "jet effect," and other speed mods.
>The best I can do right now is 184 KIAS at 1K" - WOT and 2680 RPM. My goal, with
mods, is to indicate 188. I just can't seem to get the numbers that others
are getting.
>Stan Sutterfield
>
>Airspeed calibration error .... or drag?
>
>BIll
>
>
>Matt,
>I must be doing something wrong because my IO-390 powered RV-8A numbers
>aren't even close to yours.
>At 7K', to get 177 KTAS (204 MPH TAS) I have to burn 10.2 GPH and turn
>2450 RPM. I can get 3000 FPM climb, but only to pattern altitude.
>Enroute climb at 145-150 KIAS produces only 600 FPM. I've climbed to
>15.5K' and I'm planning a test flight to FL240 - to see if it will make
>it.
>I have Bower's ram air and a MT 3 blade - both of which should help with
>high altitude performance.
>I'm planning a trip from FL to VT in 2 weeks, so I'll see how my cruise
>numbers are after that flight.
>But, with the numbers I have now, I'm nowhere near your numbers.
>I wonder why?
>Stan Sutterfield
>rv-8a.net
>On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
>2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
>18,000ft
>(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH,
>and
>202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less
>reserves.
>Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo
>
>
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| From: | "Timothy E. Cone" <tcone1(at)comcast.net> |
Matt,
The National Test Pilot School has a nice excel spreadsheet for removing the
effects of wind in determining true airspeed.
http://www.ntps.edu/images/stories/documents/gps-pec.XLS
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV Speeds
>
> On multiple occasions, I have seen a top speed of 229-230 mph true at
> about 2000 msl, full throttle, and 2700 rpm, and gently leaned. This was
> confirmed by the GPS GS from both the EFIS GPS and the Kenwood GPS. The
> autopilot was on to assure no ascending/descending error. These were on
> cool evenings (70-75f).
>
> That being said, there are other days when it won't go much above 222-225
> mph.
>
> I will rig up the cockpit HD video camera again to verify my readings...
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 90+ Hours TTSN - Enjoying Every Minute...
>
>
> At 07:08 AM 8/17/2010 Tuesday, you wrote:
>>
>>I've done multiple GPS speed calculations and all of the TAS calculations
>>came within one knot of the EFIS TAS numbers, so if I have a CAS error, it
>>is not very large.
>>My A is less draggy than a neighbors 390 powered A and we've used WOT side
>>by side and I pull away from him. I'm also working on reducing drag
>>before painting in the fall. I'm working on winglets, I'm fairing the
>>aileron hinges and fuel drains, I'm working on cooling air drag, I'm
>>making mods to the wheel pants, I have straight exhaust pipes for "jet
>>effect," and other speed mods.
>>The best I can do right now is 184 KIAS at 1K" - WOT and 2680 RPM. My
>>goal, with mods, is to indicate 188. I just can't seem to get the numbers
>>that others are getting.
>>Stan Sutterfield
>>
>>Airspeed calibration error .... or drag?
>>
>>BIll
>>
>>
>>Matt,
>>I must be doing something wrong because my IO-390 powered RV-8A numbers
>>aren't even close to yours.
>>At 7K', to get 177 KTAS (204 MPH TAS) I have to burn 10.2 GPH and turn
>>2450 RPM. I can get 3000 FPM climb, but only to pattern altitude.
>>Enroute climb at 145-150 KIAS produces only 600 FPM. I've climbed to
>>15.5K' and I'm planning a test flight to FL240 - to see if it will make
>>it.
>>I have Bower's ram air and a MT 3 blade - both of which should help with
>>high altitude performance.
>>I'm planning a trip from FL to VT in 2 weeks, so I'll see how my cruise
>>numbers are after that flight.
>>But, with the numbers I have now, I'm nowhere near your numbers.
>>I wonder why?
>>Stan Sutterfield
>>rv-8a.net
>>On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
>>2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
>>18,000ft
>>(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH,
>>and
>>202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less
>>reserves.
>>Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
Well, I had to see what my IO-390 RV-8A would do at 18K, so today I
climbed to 17,500 (couldn't get ATC clearance higher) and had the following
numbers:
15.4" MP - 2400 RPM - 8.5 GPH - KIAS 124 - KTAS 166 (191 MPH)
15.4" MP - 2310 RPM - 9.0 GPH - KIAS 120 - KTAS 162 (186 MPH)
Fuel pump was out of service, so I'll confirm the actual fuel burn next
week.
I'm simply not getting your numbers, Matt. Must be my ham fisted flying.
I can't imagine that the engines are that much different.
Scratching my cranium.
Stan Sutterfield
Matt,
I must be doing something wrong because my IO-390 powered RV-8A numbers
aren't even close to yours.
At 7K', to get 177 KTAS (204 MPH TAS) I have to burn 10.2 GPH and turn
2450
RPM. I can get 3000 FPM climb, but only to pattern altitude. Enroute
climb at 145-150 KIAS produces only 600 FPM. I've climbed to 15.5K' and
I'm
planning a test flight to FL240 - to see if it will make it.
I have Bower's ram air and a MT 3 blade - both of which should help with
high altitude performance.
I'm planning a trip from FL to VT in 2 weeks, so I'll see how my cruise
numbers are after that flight.
But, with the numbers I have now, I'm nowhere near your numbers.
I wonder why?
Stan Sutterfield
rv-8a.net
On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
18,000ft
(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH, and
202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less
reserves.
Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Looks to me like your RPMs are WAY too high! At 5.5gph I was at 2000 RPM. Lowering
the RPM is how you get the flow rates down. Bigger bite might make you
go faster too.
I want to say that at 5.5/2000/18000/170mph I was at about 12.5" MP. I think that
I took still pictures of the EFIS's in all the various configurations I did.
I'll download them from the Camera and double check my numbers.
Matt
At 08:36 PM 8/17/2010 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>Well, I had to see what my IO-390 RV-8A would do at 18K, so today I climbed to
17,500 (couldn't get ATC clearance higher) and had the following numbers:
>15.4" MP - 2400 RPM - 8.5 GPH - KIAS 124 - KTAS 166 (191 MPH)
>15.4" MP - 2310 RPM - 9.0 GPH - KIAS 120 - KTAS 162 (186 MPH)
>Fuel pump was out of service, so I'll confirm the actual fuel burn next week.
>I'm simply not getting your numbers, Matt. Must be my ham fisted flying. I can't
imagine that the engines are that much different.
>Scratching my cranium.
>Stan Sutterfield
>Matt,
>I must be doing something wrong because my IO-390 powered RV-8A numbers
>aren't even close to yours.
>At 7K', to get 177 KTAS (204 MPH TAS) I have to burn 10.2 GPH and turn 2450
>RPM. I can get 3000 FPM climb, but only to pattern altitude. Enroute
>climb at 145-150 KIAS produces only 600 FPM. I've climbed to 15.5K' and I'm
>planning a test flight to FL240 - to see if it will make it.
>I have Bower's ram air and a MT 3 blade - both of which should help with
>high altitude performance.
>I'm planning a trip from FL to VT in 2 weeks, so I'll see how my cruise
>numbers are after that flight.
>But, with the numbers I have now, I'm nowhere near your numbers.
>I wonder why?
>Stan Sutterfield
>rv-8a.net
>
>On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
>2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
>18,000ft
>(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH, and
>202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less
>reserves.
>Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon or Marge" <gcomfo(at)tc3net.com> |
You have different props, right?
Gordon Comfort
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV Speeds
Looks to me like your RPMs are WAY too high! At 5.5gph I was at 2000 RPM.
Lowering the RPM is how you get the flow rates down. Bigger bite might make
you go faster too.
I want to say that at 5.5/2000/18000/170mph I was at about 12.5" MP. I
think that I took still pictures of the EFIS's in all the various
configurations I did. I'll download them from the Camera and double check
my numbers.
Matt
At 08:36 PM 8/17/2010 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>Well, I had to see what my IO-390 RV-8A would do at 18K, so today I
>climbed to 17,500 (couldn't get ATC clearance higher) and had the
>following numbers: 15.4" MP - 2400 RPM - 8.5 GPH - KIAS 124 - KTAS 166
>(191 MPH) 15.4" MP - 2310 RPM - 9.0 GPH - KIAS 120 - KTAS 162 (186 MPH)
>Fuel pump was out of service, so I'll confirm the actual fuel burn next
>week. I'm simply not getting your numbers, Matt. Must be my ham fisted
>flying. I can't imagine that the engines are that much different.
>Scratching my cranium. Stan Sutterfield Matt, I must be doing something
>wrong because my IO-390 powered RV-8A numbers
>aren't even close to yours.
>At 7K', to get 177 KTAS (204 MPH TAS) I have to burn 10.2 GPH and turn 2450
>RPM. I can get 3000 FPM climb, but only to pattern altitude. Enroute
>climb at 145-150 KIAS produces only 600 FPM. I've climbed to 15.5K' and
I'm
>planning a test flight to FL240 - to see if it will make it.
>I have Bower's ram air and a MT 3 blade - both of which should help with
>high altitude performance.
>I'm planning a trip from FL to VT in 2 weeks, so I'll see how my cruise
>numbers are after that flight.
>But, with the numbers I have now, I'm nowhere near your numbers.
>I wonder why?
>Stan Sutterfield
>rv-8a.net
>
>On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP
>/ 2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
>18,000ft
>(on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH, and
>202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less
>reserves.
>Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Nutplate installation |
I'm not sure if I'm the Stan you are addressing, but I have used Cherry Max
rivets. They work great. They are also expensive. Used in certain
applications, they can be less expensive than the time spent trying to do the
job otherwise.
I have used, and like, Cherry Max rivets.
Stan Sutterfield
www.rv-8a.net
Have you tried nutplate rivets? They can be installed with a standard
rivet puller
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
Those are amazing numbers. 230 true MPH would be 200 KTAS. That is 6
knots more than I am getting.
The only thing I can think of is that my Barrett IO-390 is not producing
full power. If my engine were producing only 190 HP at sea level and yours
were producing 210 HP, then that would likely make the difference in speeds.
Maybe I should talk to Allen about the engine. The original dyno run was
low on power but that was attributed to high density altitude at the time.
It should be producing a solid 210 HP since I asked them to mill .015 off
the cylinder bases to increase compression a bit.
I also have an oil leak (since new) directly over the alternator. I
haven't yet discovered the source.
Maybe I should fly the plane to OK and talk to Allen and Monty about the
engine. Might be a good reason for a nice flight.
Stan Sutterfield
On multiple occasions, I have seen a top speed of 229-230 mph true at
about 2000
msl, full throttle, and 2700 rpm, and gently leaned. This was confirmed by
the GPS GS from both the EFIS GPS and the Kenwood GPS. The autopilot was
on to
assure no ascending/descending error. These were on cool evenings
(70-75f).
That being said, there are other days when it won't go much above 222-225
mph.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dale Ellis <rv8builder.kd0m(at)gmail.com> |
1
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com> |
Stan,
I hate to tell you this, but your inability to achieve the higher speeds is
to sell your 3 blade MT to some one you do not like, and use the proceeds to
buy either the New blended airfoil blade Hartzell from Vans AC, or better
yet, buy a Aerocomposites 2 blade 72 or 74 inch propeller. Also, you could
contact Same James and consider one of his cowlings and plenum chambers
(proven speed prudecers). Good luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:36 PM, wrote:
>
> Well, I had to see what my IO-390 RV-8A would do at 18K, so today I climbed
> to 17,500 (couldn't get ATC clearance higher) and had the following numbers:
> 15.4" MP - 2400 RPM - 8.5 GPH - KIAS 124 - KTAS 166 (191 MPH)
> 15.4" MP - 2310 RPM - 9.0 GPH - KIAS 120 - KTAS 162 (186 MPH)
> Fuel pump was out of service, so I'll confirm the actual fuel burn next
> week.
> I'm simply not getting your numbers, Matt. Must be my ham fisted flying.
> I can't imagine that the engines are that much different.
> Scratching my cranium.
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> Matt,
> I must be doing something wrong because my IO-390 powered RV-8A numbers
> aren't even close to yours.
> At 7K', to get 177 KTAS (204 MPH TAS) I have to burn 10.2 GPH and turn 2450
>
> RPM. I can get 3000 FPM climb, but only to pattern altitude. Enroute
> climb at 145-150 KIAS produces only 600 FPM. I've climbed to 15.5K' and
> I'm
> planning a test flight to FL240 - to see if it will make it.
> I have Bower's ram air and a MT 3 blade - both of which should help with
> high altitude performance.
> I'm planning a trip from FL to VT in 2 weeks, so I'll see how my cruise
> numbers are after that flight.
> But, with the numbers I have now, I'm nowhere near your numbers.
> I wonder why?
> Stan Sutterfield
> rv-8a.net
>
> On the way home, I had the IO-390 engine dialed in at 7000ft, 22.4" MP /
> 2200 RPM and 204 MPH True at 8.8 GPH. Earlier in the week I took it to
> 18,000ft
> (on oxygen) and was seeing 170 MPH True at 5.5 GPH, 192 MPH @ 6.5 GPH, and
> 202 MPG @ 7 GPH. At the 5.5 GPH, that's about a 1300 mile range less
> reserves.
> Coupled with the 3000+ FPM climb solo
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/18/10 |
Yes - but not 6 knots different.
Stan
You have different props, right?
Gordon Comfort
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon or Marge" <gcomfo(at)tc3net.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/18/10 |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:01 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/18/10
Yes - but not 6 knots different.
Stan
You have different props, right?
Gordon Comfort
Stan: It might be possible. I know of one comparison on a Lancair 360
that
originally had the Hartzell prop specifically for that aircraft, two
blades,
relatively short. When a three blade MT was installed it was found that
the
MT produced better initial acceleration and climb but top speed fell by
6 to
8 knots. I cannot vouch for the rigor of the testing but I can say that
the
man who told me of this was a Lancair employee who did a lot of test
flying
and demo flying for Lancair and who's powers of observation were pretty
good.
As to to comments by others on the James cowl and plenum, I am not
persuaded
that the James system offers any real advantages over a well done
conventional cooling system. Note the "well done". Smith did not use a
plenum on his Oshkosh 500 racer even though he was well aware of the
arguments for and against. The round openings certainly work well but
claims that they are somehow inherently better seem to me to be
unfounded.
The major reason the Raspet Center used round inlets in their cooling
drag
development work was that they are easier to calculate.
It would be interesting to know if anyone out there has done any
systematic
comparison testing.
Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone have a comparison of the Aerocomposites vs Whirlwind on
the same airframe? I've heard that the WW is faster/more efficient
but I'm biased.
I've got a WW 200RV, RV-8, Superior Airparts IO-360 w/ Ryton exploding
sump, lightspeed II ignition and I generally run 160 knots TAS 10,000
feet, 6.5 gph, WOT, LOP, 1950 RPM. Everything else about the airframe
is pretty much standard. I'm very confident in that 6.5 GPH @ 160
knots TAS figure. I'm not as confident in other power setting since I
generally just run in the econo cruise @ 160. As the fuel burns off I
generally pick up 2-3 knots from the reduced weight.
I know that for keeping the efficiency up the low RPM is key.
Thanks,
Bill judge, RV-8, N84WJ 515 Hrs
rv-8.blogspot.com
>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV Speeds
> From: Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com>
>
> Stan,
> I hate to tell you this, but your inability to achieve the higher speeds is
> to sell your 3 blade MT to some one you do not like, and use the proceeds to
> buy either the New blended airfoil blade Hartzell from Vans AC, or better
> yet, buy a Aerocomposites 2 blade 72 or 74 inch propeller. Also, you could
> contact Same James and consider one of his cowlings and plenum chambers
> (proven speed prudecers). Good luck.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233M
> the fast one
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
Dick,
You gave me the same advice standing in my hangar last Jan. Told you then
I don't plan to change the prop. I'm going to experiment with reducing
the size of the Van's inlets (ala Dave Anders) to see if I can gain anything.
But, I'm not willing to toss my cowling and put on the James cowling. My
homemade plenum is working great. CHTs are well under control and Oil
temp is perfect at 180.
I did take your advice to straighten out the exhaust pipes for some jet
effect. I don't notice any difference. Except the exhaust is hitting the
bottom of the plane.
Are you coming to FL for the winter?
Stan Sutterfield
I hate to tell you this, but your inability to achieve the higher speeds is
to sell your 3 blade MT to some one you do not like, and use the proceeds
to
buy either the New blended airfoil blade Hartzell from Vans AC, or better
yet, buy a Aerocomposites 2 blade 72 or 74 inch propeller. Also, you
could
contact Same James and consider one of his cowlings and plenum chambers
(proven speed prudecers). Good luck.
Dick Martin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Performance Numbers - IO-390/Hartzell/RV-8 |
Dear Listers,
So I could smell the disbelief in the air regarding my performance claims, so tonight
after work I went up and did some testing. All tests were at the same
altitude with the autopilot on, going the same direction (mostly South) with a
Westerly wind over about the same 25 mile area.
One interesting thing that I noticed tonight that I hadn't in the past was what
a dramatic effect exacting leaning could have on the speed for a given power/prop
setting. A small adjustment in the mixture could increase or decrease the
speed sometimes as much as 5 MPH.
Below is a table of the numbers I saw tonight. I've include the spreadsheet as
well as photos of each setting from the EFIS PDF/Engine data.
All numbers on the EFISs are in MPH. The GPS GS is in the upper left corner of
the PFD. The TAS is on the bottom right side of the PFD display. Indicated
is on the left side in the middle of the PFD. Temp is in the upper left corner
of the Eng display. MAP, RPM, and Flow are also on the Eng display shown as
gauges with text.
An interesting thing I noticed that at 27.x MAP, adjusting the RPM between 2000
and 2690 had a 9.8 to 17.0 impact of fuel flow (7.2 GPH) and a 22MPH impact on
speed. That's about a $32/hr difference.
Emacs!
Let the discussion begin... ;-)
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 - Performance Numbers - IO-390/Hartzell/RV-8 |
Dear Listers,
I posted some performance number on the RV-List email forum the other day and based
on the responses, I could smell the disbelief in the air regarding my claims.
So, tonight after work I went up and did some testing. All tests were at
the same altitude with the autopilot on, going the same direction (mostly South)
with a Westerly wind over about the same 25 mile area.
One interesting thing that I noticed tonight that I hadn't in the past was what
a dramatic effect exacting leaning could have on the speed for a given power/prop
setting. A small adjustment in the mixture could increase or decrease the
speed sometimes as much as 5 MPH.
Below is a table of the numbers I saw tonight. I've include the spreadsheet as
well as photos of each setting from the EFIS PDF/Engine data.
All numbers on the EFISs are in MPH. The GPS Ground Speed is in the upper left
corner of the PFD. The True Airspeed is on the bottom right side of the PFD
display. Indicated Speed is on the left side in the middle of the PFD. Temp
is in the upper left corner of the Eng display. MAP (Manifold Pressure), RPM,
and Flow are also on the Engine display shown as gauges with text.
An interesting thing I noticed was that at 27.x MAP, adjusting the RPM between
2000 and 2690 had a 9.8 to 17.0 impact of fuel flow (7.2 GPH) and a 22 MPH impact
on speed. That's about a $32/hr difference.
Emacs!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
Bill,
Thanks for your input. Each data point is valuable and informative.
160 KTAS is impressive for 1950 RPM. I'll try the same parameters next
time I go flying and report back.
Stan Sutterfield
I've got a WW 200RV, RV-8, Superior Airparts IO-360 w/ Ryton exploding
sump, lightspeed II ignition and I generally run 160 knots TAS 10,000
feet, 6.5 gph, WOT, LOP, 1950 RPM. Everything else about the airframe
is pretty much standard. I'm very confident in that 6.5 GPH @ 160
knots TAS figure. I'm not as confident in other power setting since I
generally just run in the econo cruise @ 160. As the fuel burns off I
generally pick up 2-3 knots from the reduced weight.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Performance Numbers - IO-390/Hartzell/RV-8 |
Matt,
I didn't mean to insinuate there was an odor to your numbers. Rather the
stink is on my numbers. I can't seem to reach the numbers that other guys
can.
I'm still working on it. The stink, that is.
Stan Sutterfield
So I could smell the disbelief in the air regarding my performance claims
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tracy <tracy(at)rotaryaviation.com> |
Mine aren't quite that good but in the same ballpark. Typical cruise
conditions are 12,500 ft, 172 mph, 1965 RPM (at the prop) burning 6.5 gph.
That's with one of those presumably gas hungry Mazda rotary engines.
Tracy Crook
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:55 PM, wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Thanks for your input. Each data point is valuable and informative.
> 160 KTAS is impressive for 1950 RPM. I'll try the same parameters next
> time I go flying and report back.
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> I've got a WW 200RV, RV-8, Superior Airparts IO-360 w/ Ryton exploding
> sump, lightspeed II ignition and I generally run 160 knots TAS 10,000
> feet, 6.5 gph, WOT, LOP, 1950 RPM. Everything else about the airframe
> is pretty much standard. I'm very confident in that 6.5 GPH @ 160
> knots TAS figure. I'm not as confident in other power setting since I
> generally just run in the econo cruise @ 160. As the fuel burns off I
> generally pick up 2-3 knots from the reduced weight.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
Well, some new numbers today.
I filed IFR to FL200 and then continued the climb to FL240. It took
awhile to get up there, but I made it. As it turns out, FL200 is the more
comfortable (for aircraft handling) and fuel efficient altitude.
FL200 WOT (13.8") 2400 RPM about 6.3 GPH IAS - 113K TAS - 160K
Peak EGT OAT - 40F
FL240 WOT (11.5") 2300 RPM about 6.3 GPH IAS - 92K TAS - 139K
40 LOP OAT - 28F
CHTs and Oil Temp were no problem at all altitudes.
I didn't have time to do a 10K' run to compare with Bill's numbers, but
I'll try that in the AM if possible.
Stan Sutterfield
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cs(at)charlesstringham.com" <cs(at)charlesstringham.com> |
Greetings Fellow RVers,
Quick Build RV-8 wings and fuselage are coming next week, so I'm finishing up on
the hangar. I got this new Rustoleum Epoxyshield garage floor 2-part epoxy.
The contractor used a cure/sealer on the concrete slab. Instructions from Rustoleum
say the product can't be applied over a sealer--must be to bare concrete.
The contractor said use muriatic acid to remove the cure/sealer. Rustoleum instructions
say not to use muriatic acid, instead to use the citric acid provided
with the kit. But the citric acid doesn't seem to remove the cure/sealer.
I will probably call Rustoleum tomorrow, but does anyone have suggestions?
Thanks, Chet
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
I rented a floor surface grinder/concrete shaver and ran it all over the floor
of my hangar prior to paint. Mine too was sealed and it seems to have worked
great. 3 years do far and no paint lifting.
-Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2010, at 8:34 PM, "cs(at)charlesstringham.com"
wrote:
>
> Greetings Fellow RVers,
> Quick Build RV-8 wings and fuselage are coming next week, so I'm finishing up
on the hangar. I got this new Rustoleum Epoxyshield garage floor 2-part epoxy.
The contractor used a cure/sealer on the concrete slab. Instructions from Rustoleum
say the product can't be applied over a sealer--must be to bare concrete.
The contractor said use muriatic acid to remove the cure/sealer. Rustoleum
instructions say not to use muriatic acid, instead to use the citric acid provided
with the kit. But the citric acid doesn't seem to remove the cure/sealer.
I will probably call Rustoleum tomorrow, but does anyone have suggestions?
> Thanks, Chet
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cs(at)charlesstringham.com" <cs(at)charlesstringham.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
Cool, thanks Mike.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Michael Kraus" [n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net]
Date: 08/22/2010 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Floor Covering
I rented a floor surface grinder/concrete shaver and ran it all over the floor
of my hangar prior to paint. Mine too was sealed and it seems to have worked
great. 3 years do far and no paint lifting.
-Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2010, at 8:34 PM, "cs(at)charlesstringham.com"
wrote:
>
> Greetings Fellow RVers,
> Quick Build RV-8 wings and fuselage are coming next week, so I'm finishing up
on the hangar. I got this new Rustoleum Epoxyshield garage floor 2-part epoxy.
The contractor used a cure/sealer on the concrete slab. Instructions from Rustoleum
say the product can't be applied over a sealer--must be to bare concrete.
The contractor said use muriatic acid to remove the cure/sealer. Rustoleum
instructions say not to use muriatic acid, instead to use the citric acid provided
with the kit. But the citric acid doesn't seem to remove the cure/sealer.
I will probably call Rustoleum tomorrow, but does anyone have suggestions?
> Thanks, Chet
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
| From: | "William L. Paulin" <wpaulin(at)usa.net> |
Yes,
Do not use Rustoleum. It will chip and peal and come off from oil or fuel or
even just time. I know, I tried it in a garage.
Hire a professional you find on line to put on an industrial grade product. If
you search on line, you will find pilot / hangar horror stories as I did after
my first try. My second try with a pro worked fine.
Bill
On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:34 PM, cs(at)charlesstringham.com wrote:
Greetings Fellow RVers,
Quick Build RV-8 wings and fuselage are coming next week, so I'm finishing up on
the hangar. I got this new Rustoleum Epoxyshield garage floor 2-part epoxy.
The contractor used a cure/sealer on the concrete slab. Instructions from Rustoleum
say the product can't be applied over a sealer--must be to bare concrete.
The contractor said use muriatic acid to remove the cure/sealer. Rustoleum instructions
say not to use muriatic acid, instead to use the citric acid provided
with the kit. But the citric acid doesn't seem to remove the cure/sealer.
I will probably call Rustoleum tomorrow, but does anyone have suggestions?
Thanks, Chet
**********************************
William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
Aviation Consumer did a comparison and report on hanger (garage) floor paint
a year or two ago.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William L. Paulin
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Floor Covering
Yes,
Do not use Rustoleum. It will chip and peal and come off from oil or fuel
or even just time. I know, I tried it in a garage.
Hire a professional you find on line to put on an industrial grade product.
If you search on line, you will find pilot / hangar horror stories as I did
after my first try. My second try with a pro worked fine.
Bill
On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:34 PM, cs(at)charlesstringham.com wrote:
Greetings Fellow RVers,
Quick Build RV-8 wings and fuselage are coming next week, so I'm finishing
up on the hangar. I got this new Rustoleum Epoxyshield garage floor 2-part
epoxy. The contractor used a cure/sealer on the concrete slab. Instructions
from Rustoleum say the product can't be applied over a sealer--must be to
bare concrete. The contractor said use muriatic acid to remove the
cure/sealer. Rustoleum instructions say not to use muriatic acid, instead to
use the citric acid provided with the kit. But the citric acid doesn't seem
to remove the cure/sealer. I will probably call Rustoleum tomorrow, but does
anyone have suggestions?
Thanks, Chet
**********************************
William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
| From: | "William L. Paulin" <wpaulin(at)usa.net> |
yes , thanks. That is where I got sent to the pros.
bill
On Aug 22, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Terry Watson wrote:
Aviation Consumer did a comparison and report on hanger (garage) floor paint
a year or two ago.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William L. Paulin
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Floor Covering
Yes,
Do not use Rustoleum. It will chip and peal and come off from oil or fuel
or even just time. I know, I tried it in a garage.
Hire a professional you find on line to put on an industrial grade product.
If you search on line, you will find pilot / hangar horror stories as I did
after my first try. My second try with a pro worked fine.
Bill
On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:34 PM, cs(at)charlesstringham.com wrote:
Greetings Fellow RVers,
Quick Build RV-8 wings and fuselage are coming next week, so I'm finishing
up on the hangar. I got this new Rustoleum Epoxyshield garage floor 2-part
epoxy. The contractor used a cure/sealer on the concrete slab. Instructions
from Rustoleum say the product can't be applied over a sealer--must be to
bare concrete. The contractor said use muriatic acid to remove the
cure/sealer. Rustoleum instructions say not to use muriatic acid, instead to
use the citric acid provided with the kit. But the citric acid doesn't seem
to remove the cure/sealer. I will probably call Rustoleum tomorrow, but does
anyone have suggestions?
Thanks, Chet
**********************************
William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
***********************************
William & Sandra Paulin
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Bill
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
Sandy
Cell +1 858 349 1729
Office +1 928 443 7739
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Covering |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
I used this stuff:
http://www.epoxy-coat.com/
A buddy and I did it ourselves in about 8 hours. 44x62' hangar floor. One guy
mixes and pours, the other squeegies and rolls.
I was pleased with the results after 3 years. I too was told to stay away from
the Rust Oleum stuff (although I like their other paint products)
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:28 AM, "William L. Paulin" wrote:
>
> Yes,
>
> Do not use Rustoleum. It will chip and peal and come off from oil or fuel or
even just time. I know, I tried it in a garage.
>
> Hire a professional you find on line to put on an industrial grade product.
If you search on line, you will find pilot / hangar horror stories as I did after
my first try. My second try with a pro worked fine.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:34 PM, cs(at)charlesstringham.com wrote:
>
>
> Greetings Fellow RVers,
> Quick Build RV-8 wings and fuselage are coming next week, so I'm finishing up
on the hangar. I got this new Rustoleum Epoxyshield garage floor 2-part epoxy.
The contractor used a cure/sealer on the concrete slab. Instructions from Rustoleum
say the product can't be applied over a sealer--must be to bare concrete.
The contractor said use muriatic acid to remove the cure/sealer. Rustoleum
instructions say not to use muriatic acid, instead to use the citric acid provided
with the kit. But the citric acid doesn't seem to remove the cure/sealer.
I will probably call Rustoleum tomorrow, but does anyone have suggestions?
> Thanks, Chet
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **********************************
> William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
> 1575 South Forest Drive
> Prescott, AZ 86303
>
> Cell +1 858 722 2905
> Office +1 760 720 2905
> Europe +358 40 720 4047
>
> wpaulin(at)usa.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <geezer02(at)windstream.net> |
I used Rustoleum on my hanger floor more than 10 years ago and it is still great.
I did sand the floor first, using a rental floor polisher with an open grit.
then applied two coats.
Louis Someday RV-8
---- Terry Watson wrote:
>
> Aviation Consumer did a comparison and report on hanger (garage) floor paint
> a year or two ago.
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William L. Paulin
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:28 PM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Floor Covering
>
>
> Yes,
>
> Do not use Rustoleum. It will chip and peal and come off from oil or fuel
> or even just time. I know, I tried it in a garage.
>
> Hire a professional you find on line to put on an industrial grade product.
> If you search on line, you will find pilot / hangar horror stories as I did
> after my first try. My second try with a pro worked fine.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:34 PM, cs(at)charlesstringham.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Greetings Fellow RVers,
> Quick Build RV-8 wings and fuselage are coming next week, so I'm finishing
> up on the hangar. I got this new Rustoleum Epoxyshield garage floor 2-part
> epoxy. The contractor used a cure/sealer on the concrete slab. Instructions
> from Rustoleum say the product can't be applied over a sealer--must be to
> bare concrete. The contractor said use muriatic acid to remove the
> cure/sealer. Rustoleum instructions say not to use muriatic acid, instead to
> use the citric acid provided with the kit. But the citric acid doesn't seem
> to remove the cure/sealer. I will probably call Rustoleum tomorrow, but does
> anyone have suggestions?
> Thanks, Chet
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **********************************
> William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
> 1575 South Forest Drive
> Prescott, AZ 86303
>
> Cell +1 858 722 2905
> Office +1 760 720 2905
> Europe +358 40 720 4047
>
> wpaulin(at)usa.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com> |
Bill<
I have raced against Whirlwinds and find them to be good performers, however
I can usually outrun them by an average 5 knot difference,
Good Luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Bill Judge wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a comparison of the Aerocomposites vs Whirlwind on
> the same airframe? I've heard that the WW is faster/more efficient
> but I'm biased.
>
> I've got a WW 200RV, RV-8, Superior Airparts IO-360 w/ Ryton exploding
> sump, lightspeed II ignition and I generally run 160 knots TAS 10,000
> feet, 6.5 gph, WOT, LOP, 1950 RPM. Everything else about the airframe
> is pretty much standard. I'm very confident in that 6.5 GPH @ 160
> knots TAS figure. I'm not as confident in other power setting since I
> generally just run in the econo cruise @ 160. As the fuel burns off I
> generally pick up 2-3 knots from the reduced weight.
>
> I know that for keeping the efficiency up the low RPM is key.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill judge, RV-8, N84WJ 515 Hrs
> rv-8.blogspot.com
>
>
> >
> > Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV Speeds
> > From: Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com>
> >
> > Stan,
> > I hate to tell you this, but your inability to achieve the higher speeds
> is
> > to sell your 3 blade MT to some one you do not like, and use the proceeds
> to
> > buy either the New blended airfoil blade Hartzell from Vans AC, or better
> > yet, buy a Aerocomposites 2 blade 72 or 74 inch propeller. Also, you
> could
> > contact Same James and consider one of his cowlings and plenum chambers
> > (proven speed prudecers). Good luck.
> > Dick Martin
> > RV8 N233M
> > the fast one
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna |
Is there an ideal location for the ELT and ELT Antenna on an RV-8A?
Thanks,
Robin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna |
At 07:44 PM 8/25/2010 Wednesday, Robin Marks wrote:
>Is there an ideal location for the ELT and ELT Antenna on an RV-8A?
>
>Thanks,
>Robin
Hi Robin,
Here's a ton of documentation on what I did with the installation of the ELT and
antenna. I've got the unit that takes a GPS serial input and transmits your
last coordinates as well. Pretty cool feature. Lots of dialog on the various
pages about setting it up, etc.
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77846&row=50
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77847&row=49
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77848&row=48
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77849&row=47
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77850&row=46
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 90+ Hours TTSN - Enjoying Every Minute...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vince Himsl" <vshimsl(at)live.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna |
I installed mine on the wingtip.
IM003188.JPG
Vince
RV8432 at 63hrs
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: August 25, 2010 7:44 PM
Subject: RV8-List: RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna
Is there an ideal location for the ELT and ELT Antenna on an RV-8A?
Thanks,
Robin
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna |
| From: | Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Ideal? Probably not, but mine worked fine under the VS.
__
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Aug 25, 2010 10:45 PM, "Robin Marks" wrote:
Is there an ideal location for the ELT and ELT Antenna on an RV-8A?
Thanks,
Robin
*
*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Elton" <estone(at)mchsi.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna |
Larry
As a A&P and a previous builder of a RV6 I recommend aft of the canopy
about 6". It is out of way plus the airflow is decreased in that area thus
crap that flys over the canopy doesn't hit the antenna. And flying, and
repairs, I have seen it all!
Elton Stone
AYSO Referee Administrator 1091/13/G
Description: j0395780
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna
Ideal? Probably not, but mine worked fine under the VS.
__
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Aug 25, 2010 10:45 PM, "Robin Marks" wrote:
Is there an ideal location for the ELT and ELT Antenna on an RV-8A?
Thanks,
Robin
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| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna |
I think the RV-8's sliding canopy slides all the way to the vertical
stabilizer.
Terry
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elton
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna
Larry
As a A&P and a previous builder of a RV6 I recommend aft of the canopy
about 6". It is out of way plus the airflow is decreased in that area thus
crap that flys over the canopy doesn't hit the antenna. And flying, and
repairs, I have seen it all!
Elton Stone
AYSO Referee Administrator 1091/13/G
Description: j0395780
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna
Ideal? Probably not, but mine worked fine under the VS.
__
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Aug 25, 2010 10:45 PM, "Robin Marks" wrote:
Is there an ideal location for the ELT and ELT Antenna on an RV-8A?
Thanks,
Robin
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna |
I have my elt in the rear baggage compartment and the antenna mounted on th
e rear seat right armrest with the whip rapping up around the right seat. L
ooks good and is not in the way.
Paul
From: terry(at)tcwatson.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna
Date: Thu=2C 26 Aug 2010 20:03:11 -0700
I think the RV-8=92s sliding canopy slides all the way to the vertical stab
ilizer.
Terry
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Elton
Sent: Thursday=2C August 26=2C 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna
Larry
As a A&P and a previous builder of a RV6 I recommend aft of the canopy ab
out 6=94. It is out of way plus the airflow is decreased in that area thus
crap that flys over the canopy doesn=92t hit the antenna. And flying=2C an
d repairs=2C I have seen it all!
Elton Stone
AYSO Referee Administrator 1091/13/G
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Sent: Thursday=2C August 26=2C 2010 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8A Ideal ELT Location & Antenna
Ideal? Probably not=2C but mine worked fine under the VS.
__
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| From: | "cs(at)charlesstringham.com" <cs(at)charlesstringham.com> |
Hey Guys,
Great news. The RV-8 QB fuselage and wings arrived. So here's the question. The
construction manual lists all of the individual steps, and the order in which
they need to be completed. But that is for the standard build, not the quick
build kit. Is there a published list of the steps that have already been completed
in the QB kit, or do I need to go through the construction manual and figure
out exactly which steps have already been done for me by the factory? I would
hate to just start crossing construction steps off and then find out that
some step that I thought had been done has, in fact not been done yet. Any thoughts?
Thanks, Chet
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| From: | Dale Ellis <rv8builder.kd0m(at)gmail.com> |
In my circa 2001 8QB kit/manual, one had to go through the manual,
page by page, and check off what had or had not been done. And be
creative in some areas!
Dale
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:59 PM, cs(at)charlesstringham.com
wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
> Great news. The RV-8 QB fuselage and wings arrived. So here's the question. The
construction manual lists all of the individual steps, and the order in which
they need to be completed. But that is for the standard build, not the quick
build kit. Is there a published list of the steps that have already been completed
in the QB kit, or do I need to go through the construction manual and figure
out exactly which steps have already been done for me by the factory? I
would hate to just start crossing construction steps off and then find out that
some step that I thought had been done has, in fact not been done yet. Any thoughts?
> Thanks, Chet
>
>
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| From: | Tracy <tracy(at)rotaryaviation.com> |
Yep, that was my major complaint with the -8 QB kit. "Special" QB
instructions for the Fuse read "Start at the aft end and work forward"
Spent a lot of time combing through the standard plans.
Tracy Crook
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:59 PM, cs(at)charlesstringham.com <
cs(at)charlesstringham.com> wrote:
> cs(at)charlesstringham.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
> Great news. The RV-8 QB fuselage and wings arrived. So here's the question.
> The construction manual lists all of the individual steps, and the order in
> which they need to be completed. But that is for the standard build, not the
> quick build kit. Is there a published list of the steps that have already
> been completed in the QB kit, or do I need to go through the construction
> manual and figure out exactly which steps have already been done for me by
> the factory? I would hate to just start crossing construction steps off and
> then find out that some step that I thought had been done has, in fact not
> been done yet. Any thoughts?
> Thanks, Chet
>
>
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| From: | "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com> |
My 2004 -8A QB instructions contained statement somewhere up front that no
instructions changes were made to accommodate quick builders (QB - an oxymo
ron in my case - 3 year project going on for 6 years). I initially thought
that was a Vans cop-out, but having to carefully peruse the plans and then
determine what was already factory-done provided a pretty detailed understa
nding of the big picture process.
Don't get hung up on the order of construction tasks - especially after to
get the emp, ailerons, flaps, and wings fitted. I've also found that with
the firewall forward and finishing kits, the instructions are advisory only
; have to figure out design and fit stuff on your own.
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| From: | cs(at)charlesstringham.com |
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| From: | cs(at)charlesstringham.com |
The next question: Shall I build a fuselage rotisserie or not? Chet
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| From: | Craig Gallenbach <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A Rotisserie |
I built one late in my QB construction and wish I had done it a lot earlier
.- It eliminates or reduces a lot of bendiing over the longerons to acces
s the inside of the fuselage.-
-
Craig Gallenbach
RV8A N184CG- 145 hrs
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From: cs(at)charlesstringham.com <cs(at)charlesstringham.com>
Subject: RV8-List: A Rotisserie
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 11:03 AM
The next question: Shall I build a fuselage rotisserie or not? Chet
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| From: | "Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
Craig,
Are there plans available for the fuselage rotisserie?
Gail Peck, Las Vegas
RV-8 Wings - Tanks under construction and thinking about the Fuselage
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Gallenbach
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: A Rotisserie
I built one late in my QB construction and wish I had done it a lot earlier. It
eliminates or reduces a lot of bendiing over the longerons to access the inside
of the fuselage.
Craig Gallenbach
RV8A N184CG 145 hrs
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From: cs(at)charlesstringham.com <cs(at)charlesstringham.com>
Subject: RV8-List: A Rotisserie
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 11:03 AM
The next question: Shall I build a fuselage rotisserie or not? Chet
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| From: | Craig Gallenbach <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com> |
Gail,
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I really didn't have anyplans and was not one to document all the details w
ith photos when I was building.- It amounted to a little imagination-an
d-a trip or two to Home Depot.- I also put the whole assembly on caster
s so it could be rolled around the-hanger as needed.
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Craig
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Subject: RE: RV8-List: A Rotisserie
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 3:57 PM
Craig,
Are there plans available for the fuselage rotisserie?
Gail Peck, Las Vegas
RV-8 Wings - Tanks under construction and thinking about the Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Gallenbach
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: A Rotisserie
I built one late in my QB construction and wish I had done it a lot earlier
.- It eliminates or reduces a lot of bendiing over the longerons to acces
s the inside of the fuselage.-
Craig Gallenbach
RV8A N184CG- 145 hrs
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A Rotisserie |
Shall I build a fuselage rotisserie or not?
In a word - yes.
Use your imagination to build it (should be fairly simple). I didn't
build one, but should have. I kept the fuselage low to the ground on spar
inserts with wheels for as long as possible. Something to rotate the fuselage
would have been helpful - consider putting it on locking wheels.
There may be one for sale "out there" that would save you time, money and
effort.
As far as the builders manual goes - I've always told potential quick
builders to not depend on it. It basically says "build wing, attach wing."
Just flew my 8A from Daytona Beach to VT and back. I took a cruise
through the Hudson VFR corridor on the way up and flew over JFK at 10.5 on the
way back.
Stan Sutterfield
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| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
I'm building a rotisserie for my 8 QB fuselage. Not finished yet, but
will provide photos to anyone interested when I'm done. It's mostly
scrap plywood. The spindles will be pipes, and I'll set each end into
brackets bolted or clamped to short step ladders. Won't be mobile, but
I have a wheeled dolly for that purpose. My only question is where to
mount the spindles on the vertical centerline. Would like to be close
to the mass cg not including the gear. Once the fuselage is inverted,
I'll stabilize it with supports under the longerons, so gear weight
won't matter.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
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| From: | <geezer02(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Rotisserie |
Is there any one that needs a wing rack. This is a rack just to hold the wings
after they are built, if so I have a set not being used any more. not the rotisserie
but still useful.
Louis Dunn
RV-8 Someday
Getting closer.
704-562-3747
---- Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Shall I build a fuselage rotisserie or not?
> In a word - yes.
>
> Use your imagination to build it (should be fairly simple). I didn't
> build one, but should have. I kept the fuselage low to the ground on spar
> inserts with wheels for as long as possible. Something to rotate the fuselage
> would have been helpful - consider putting it on locking wheels.
>
> There may be one for sale "out there" that would save you time, money and
> effort.
>
> As far as the builders manual goes - I've always told potential quick
> builders to not depend on it. It basically says "build wing, attach wing."
>
> Just flew my 8A from Daytona Beach to VT and back. I took a cruise
> through the Hudson VFR corridor on the way up and flew over JFK at 10.5 on the
> way back.
>
> Stan Sutterfield
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| From: | "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Rotisserie |
Simple rotisserie rotates on two 1/2" bolts. Work standing or sitting.
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| From: | "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A Rotisserie |
Check the archives - I built mine based on posts and pix from precious post
ers.
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| From: | "Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: A Rotisserie |
Nice. Thanks. Gail Peck
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Grimmonpre
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:29 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: A Rotisserie
Simple rotisserie rotates on two 1/2" bolts. Work standing or sitting.
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| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Gear Installation |
I'm about ready to invert my 8 QB fuselage and start the landing gear
installation. Is there anything I need to know that is not covered in
the instructions? It's such a critical installlation that I want to be
as accurate as humanly possible. I'm using Van's stock gear legs. Any
advice/tips/cautions/etc. greatly appreciated.
Stan Loer
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Installation |
| From: | cs(at)charlesstringham.com |
Hi Stan,
Thanks for the question. I am at the same place in th
e process, and I too look forward to some wisdom from
the others.
Chet
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:54:52
Subject: RV8-List: Gear Installation
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| From: | Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Gear Installation |
On my 8=2C I spent a long time making sure that the gear was square to the
center line of the fuselage and that the and only needed half a degree of s
him to make my axles perfectly straight. In making it so close on the init
ial install=2C the two outside bolts ended up not being in the center of t
he gear leg tower (slightly to the rear)=2C and consequently=2C it is diffi
cult to get a wrench on the rear most outside nuts with out removing some o
f the smaller nuts and bolts of the tower. My advise is to square the legs
to the fuselage and centered in the tower=2C then just use a couple more s
hims at the axle to make them spot on.
Good luck=2C
Paul
800 plus landings on original vans tires and still going
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Gear Installation
From: cs(at)charlesstringham.com
Date: Fri=2C 3 Sep 2010 18:40:23 +0000
Hi Stan=2C
Thanks for the question. I am at the same place in the process=2C and I too
look forward to some wisdom from the others.
Chet
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Sender: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Fri=2C 3 Sep 2010 10:54:52 -0700
ReplyTo: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: Gear Installation
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear Installation |
The plans say to leave the gear off as long as possible and they aren't kidding.
Resist the urge to install them just because you want to see how cool its going
to look on the gear. I left my -8 fuse on the saw horse until just before
I started the engine installation. At that point, all of the wiring was done,
the interior was done, and the canopy was done. It sits up high on the gear
and makes it a lot more difficult to work on. And I'm a tall dude.
The only thing I would have done differently would have been to REMOVE the instrument
panel and instruments before I started the gear leg installation process.
It would have be 100x easier to get to the nuts in the gear towers without
the panel in place.
Speaking of gear, if you haven't ordered a set of Grove Gear for the RV-8, then
do it! Delete the Steel gear from your Van's Kit (or return them), and get yourself
a set of the all aluminum Grove gear for the RV-8. They are a work of
art and are over 10 lbs LIGHTER than the stock steel gear. Even better, they
are already airfoil shaped, so you don't have to mess with the fiberglass fairings.
Win win win. Cost is the only drawback. But, they are well worth the
investment.
I documented the installation process pretty well on my RV-8 Builders Log:
Grove RV-8 Aluminum Gear
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http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=67042&row=447
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=67043&row=446
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http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=67069&row=419
RV-8 Landing Gear Installation
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http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log004&row=853
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=67851&row=852
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RV-8 Landing Gear Alignment
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http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log015&row=842
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log016&row=841
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 90+ Hours TTSN - Enjoying Every Minute...
At 11:40 AM 9/3/2010 Friday, you wrote:
>Hi Stan,Thanks for the question. I am at the same place in the process, and I
too look forward to some wisdom from the others. Chet
>
>From: "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com>
>Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:54:52 -0700
>Subject: RV8-List: Gear Installation
>I'm about ready to invert = my 8 QB fuselage and start the landing gear installation.
Is there = anything I need to know that is not covered in the instructions?
It's such a = critical installlation that I want to be as accurate
as humanly possible. = I'm using Van's stock gear legs. Any advice/tips/cautions/etc.
greatly appreciated.
>
>Stan Loer
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| From: | "james d winkler" <madman266(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear Installation |
i put grove gr, wheels. and tail wheel on first step out of the quick build
box . i have no regrets..j .. rv-8 160 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 09/03/10 |
| From: | John Long <johnlong63(at)gmail.com> |
Stan,
I did my gear at the same place you are now. Be very careful aligning up
everything and then go ahead.When you have everything as you want it, take
it back off and store it on the shelf until you are thru inside the
fuselage. Then just before you mount the engine put it back on and torque
it down. Have fun!
John L
RV8 99% complete
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> 1. 10:57 AM - Gear Installation (Stan Loer)
> 2. 11:42 AM - Re: Gear Installation (cs(at)charlesstringham.com)
> 3. 02:59 PM - Re: Gear Installation (Paul Rice)
> 4. 06:03 PM - Re: Gear Installation (Matt Dralle)
> 5. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: Gear Installation (james d winkler)
>
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> From: "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: Gear Installation
>
> I'm about ready to invert my 8 QB fuselage and start the landing gear
> installation. Is there anything I need to know that is not covered in
> the instructions? It's such a critical installlation that I want to be
> as accurate as humanly possible. I'm using Van's stock gear legs. Any
> advice/tips/cautions/etc. greatly appreciated.
>
> Stan Loer
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Gear Installation
> From: cs(at)charlesstringham.com
>
> Hi Stan,
> Thanks for the question. I am at the same place in th
> e process, and I too look forward to some wisdom from
> the others.
> Chet
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com>
> Sender: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Gear Installation
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>
> From: Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Gear Installation
>
>
> On my 8=2C I spent a long time making sure that the gear was square to the
> center line of the fuselage and that the and only needed half a degree of s
> him to make my axles perfectly straight. In making it so close on the init
> ial install=2C the two outside bolts ended up not being in the center of t
> he gear leg tower (slightly to the rear)=2C and consequently=2C it is diffi
> cult to get a wrench on the rear most outside nuts with out removing some o
> f the smaller nuts and bolts of the tower. My advise is to square the legs
> to the fuselage and centered in the tower=2C then just use a couple more s
> hims at the axle to make them spot on.
>
> Good luck=2C
>
> Paul
> 800 plus landings on original vans tires and still going
>
>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Gear Installation
> From: cs(at)charlesstringham.com
>
>
> Hi Stan=2C
> Thanks for the question. I am at the same place in the process=2C and I too
> look forward to some wisdom from the others.
> Chet
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
> From: "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com>
> Sender: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ReplyTo: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Gear Installation
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>
> I'm about ready to invert = my 8 QB fuselage and start the landing g
> ear installation. Is there = anything I need to know that is not co
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> t I want to be as accurate as humanly possible. = I'm using Van's s
> tock gear legs. Any advice/tips/cautions/etc. greatly appreciated.
>
> Stan Loer
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>
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: Gear Installation
>
>
> The plans say to leave the gear off as long as possible and they aren't
> kidding.
> Resist the urge to install them just because you want to see how cool its
> going
> to look on the gear. I left my -8 fuse on the saw horse until just before
> I started the engine installation. At that point, all of the wiring was
> done,
> the interior was done, and the canopy was done. It sits up high on the
> gear
> and makes it a lot more difficult to work on. And I'm a tall dude.
>
> The only thing I would have done differently would have been to REMOVE the
> instrument
> panel and instruments before I started the gear leg installation process.
> It would have be 100x easier to get to the nuts in the gear towers without
> the panel in place.
>
> Speaking of gear, if you haven't ordered a set of Grove Gear for the RV-8,
> then
> do it! Delete the Steel gear from your Van's Kit (or return them), and get
> yourself
> a set of the all aluminum Grove gear for the RV-8. They are a work of
> art and are over 10 lbs LIGHTER than the stock steel gear. Even better,
> they
> are already airfoil shaped, so you don't have to mess with the fiberglass
> fairings.
> Win win win. Cost is the only drawback. But, they are well worth the
> investment.
>
> I documented the installation process pretty well on my RV-8 Builders Log:
>
>
> Grove RV-8 Aluminum Gear
> ------------------------
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=67042&row=447
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=67043&row=446
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=67068&row=420
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=67069&row=419
>
>
> RV-8 Landing Gear Installation
> ------------------------------
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log004&row=853
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=67851&row=852
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> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log012&row=851
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> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=67852&row=850
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=67853&row=849
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log013&row=848
>
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> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=67854&row=847
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> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=67855&row=846
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> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log014&row=845
>
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> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=67856&row=844
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> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=72542&row=843
>
>
> RV-8 Landing Gear Alignment
> --------------------------
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log015&row=842
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log016&row=841
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 90+ Hours TTSN - Enjoying Every Minute...
>
>
> At 11:40 AM 9/3/2010 Friday, you wrote:
> >Hi Stan,Thanks for the question. I am at the same place in the process,
> and I
> too look forward to some wisdom from the others. Chet
> >
> >From: "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com>
> >Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:54:52 -0700
> >Subject: RV8-List: Gear Installation
> >I'm about ready to invert = my 8 QB fuselage and start the landing gear
> installation.
> Is there = anything I need to know that is not covered in the
> instructions?
> It's such a = critical installlation that I want to be as accurate
> as humanly possible. = I'm using Van's stock gear legs. Any
> advice/tips/cautions/etc.
> greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Stan Loer
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
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>
> From: "james d winkler" <madman266(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Gear Installation
>
>
> i put grove gr, wheels. and tail wheel on first step out of the quick build
> box . i have no regrets..j .. rv-8 160 hrs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Installation |
| From: | "pilotjt" <jtmccracken(at)gmail.com> |
Stan,
Just follow the instructions and you'll be fine. Make sure you have a variety
of sockets and extensions on hand. I seem to remember grinding down one of the
socket heads and running an extension w/universal socket adapter, out of the
gear boxes. My blog might have a pic or two to help. Look under the landing
gear label.
-JT
www.jtsrv8projectblogspot.com :D
--------
Regards, JT
RV8 N110JT
FWF
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | "John Ciolino" <johnciolino(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Gear Installation |
Stan,
This is a suggestion for after you have the legs positioned and drilled.
Van recommends you re-torque the gear leg bolts at 10 hours, 50 hours and
every annual after that. Getting into the gear leg towers of a completed -8
and getting a socket on the gear leg nuts is a royal pain. Go to the forums
on Vansairforce and search RV-8 torque gear leg bolts for a discussion of
the problems. There are several suggestions for making this easier. I used
the "cut a socket shorter and grind the side off it" method, but it is still
a lot of work and lying in an uncomfortable position. The suggestion I like
best is to buy longer bolts and add washers under the nut to raise it out of
the channel in which it sits. I think that would help getting access to the
nuts.
Also take a look at the pilot hole Van has in the fuselage marking the
location of the vent line entry into the tower from the tank. It is
positioned exactly over the aft nut/bolt and that means the line has to be
removed to get at that nut (at least I had to remove it). Move the vent line
entry to some other location if you can.
I'd also recommend opening up the lightening holes and replacing the removed
piece with a cover.
John Ciolino
RV-8
N894Y
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan Loer
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 1:55 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Gear Installation
I'm about ready to invert my 8 QB fuselage and start the landing gear
installation. Is there anything I need to know that is not covered in the
instructions? It's such a critical installlation that I want to be as
accurate as humanly possible. I'm using Van's stock gear legs. Any
advice/tips/cautions/etc. greatly appreciated.
Stan Loer
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| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Response to gear question |
Thanks to all who responded to my question on gear installation. Great
comments, and I'm going to print and review them before I start. May
hold off until I get some other things done. Thanks, Matt for the list
and thanks to builders for sharing.
Finished my rotisserie yesterday. It actually works. I don't have a
web site or blog, but will gladly provide photos and details to anyone
interested. The materials are scrap plywood and 2x4 blocks, galvanized
pipe and pipe flanges, and 2 ft. alum. step ladders as supports. Tried
to keep it cheap and simple.
Stan Loer
RV8 QB
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Dear Builder Buds, I'm down to painting wing tips and not sure what to san
d the jell coat with to get the primer to stick. What grit sandpaper will
rough it enough to allow the epoxy primer to adhere, but not eat into the
hard coating ? Best regards, Bill of Georgia RV-8a, N228WP reserved, pain
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I have the same question. Bob - SE-Iowa - N83RC
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Gell Coat Painting |
Bill,
I'm no expert in this area. Here is some info I found on the net. It is
referring to boats, but the concept would be the same.
Stan
Use a GOOD primer sealer that is compatible with your Mfg's paint and you
should have no problem. I am assuming here that you are painting the entire
hull and not just a section, like say a center stripe.
The initial sanding will scuff open the gelcoat allowing the primer sealer
to adhere, which becomes your foundation for the top coat.
Here is the process I have used in the past, with good results
1) Wash boat thoroughly with dish soap and sos pad. Dry boat
2) mask off areas not to be painted - carefully. Cover areas not to be
painted with poly. (Essentially wrap the boat and trailer everywhere but the
hull)
3) Solvent wipe with Xylene. Constantly rotate through rags (those
painters rags at HD are cheap you know). Wipe in a straight line as per the
products instructions.
1, 2, and 3 are complete - call it a night and have adult beverage
4) Next day. Sand gel coat with 200 grit paper to break off outer surface.
Here you really just want to scuff it. Use a sanding block to prevent
gouging.
5) Fill any dents, dings, gouges etc with either epoxy or marine bondo.
Let filler dry and relax with adult beverage.
6) After filler dries sand smooth and re-inspect hull carefully for any
irregularities. NOW is the time - do not cut corners. Wipe down with tack
cloth.
7) Spray on primer (use HPLV). There maybe a learning curve here, so
practice. Let primer dry while having adult beverage
8) Sand out primer with 200-220. Wipe down with tack cloth. Spray on
second coat of primer. Let primer dry while having adult beverage.
9) Bring in the trigger man for the finish coat. Solvent wash and wipe
down with tack cloth - trigger man sprays boat. Let paint dry 24 hours while
having adult beverage with trigger man.
10) 24 hours later - LIGHTLY sand with 300 grit paper. Solvent wipe and
wipe down with tack cloth. Trigger man shoots second coat. Second coat dries
while having adult beverage.
11) 24 hours later VERY LIGHTLY sand with 300 grit paper (you are near the
end here). Solvent wipe and wipe down with tack cloth. Trigger man shoots
final coat. Celebrate with many adult beverages (if you can still lift your
arms)
12) Let dry 24-36 hours and buff to remove any ornage peel effect. Some
say you can check the hull and only do this as needed, the boats I did were
smaller so I just did the entire thing. If you are not comfortable with a DA
buffer - hire this out - Burn in will ruin all your work in no time.
Some will say wet sand in step 4
Dear Builder Buds, I'm down to painting wing tips and not sure what to san
d the jell coat with to get the primer to stick. What grit sandpaper will
rough it enough to allow the epoxy primer to adhere, but not eat into the
hard coating ? Best regards, Bill of Georgia RV-8a, N228WP reserved, pain
ting in prep for final assembly
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| Subject: | Re: Gell Coat Painting |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Stan, thanks for the info. I have painted the whole plane piece by piece
minus the tips, rudder and elevators. I'm prepping them all to be finishe
d this weekend. At least I can hope big. I really want done with this pha
se. Then I can move my efforts solely to the hanger for final assembly. My
buddy Tony is mounting his 8a's wings on Sat. so I'll have to help. See
your flying. I envy you and hope to be flying along before year's end. Co
urse, I have to finish this damned painting. Best regards, Bill
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 9:03 pm
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Gell Coat Painting
Bill,
I'm no expert in this area. Here is some info I found on the net. It is
referring to boats, but the concept would be the same.
Stan
Use a GOOD primer sealer that is compatible with your Mfg's paint and you
should have no problem. I am assuming here that you are painting the enti
re hull and not just a section, like say a center stripe.
The initial sanding will scuff open the gelcoat allowing the primer sealer
to adhere, which becomes your foundation for the top coat.
Here is the process I have used in the past, with good results
1) Wash boat thoroughly with dish soap and sos pad. Dry boat
2) mask off areas not to be painted - carefully. Cover areas not to be pai
nted with poly. (Essentially wrap the boat and trailer everywhere but the
hull)
3) Solvent wipe with Xylene. Constantly rotate through rags (those painter
s rags at HD are cheap you know). Wipe in a straight line as per the produ
cts instructions.
1, 2, and 3 are complete - call it a night and have adult beverage
4) Next day. Sand gel coat with 200 grit paper to break off outer surface.
Here you really just want to scuff it. Use a sanding block to prevent gou
ging.
5) Fill any dents, dings, gouges etc with either epoxy or marine bondo. Le
t filler dry and relax with adult beverage.
6) After filler dries sand smooth and re-inspect hull carefully for any ir
regularities. NOW is the time - do not cut corners. Wipe down with tack cl
oth.
7) Spray on primer (use HPLV). There maybe a learning curve here, so pract
ice. Let primer dry while having adult beverage
8) Sand out primer with 200-220. Wipe down with tack cloth. Spray on secon
d coat of primer. Let primer dry while having adult beverage.
9) Bring in the trigger man for the finish coat. Solvent wash and wipe dow
n with tack cloth - trigger man sprays boat. Let paint dry 24 hours while
having adult beverage with trigger man.
10) 24 hours later - LIGHTLY sand with 300 grit paper. Solvent wipe and wi
pe down with tack cloth. Trigger man shoots second coat. Second coat dries
while having adult beverage.
11) 24 hours later VERY LIGHTLY sand with 300 grit paper (you are near the
end here). Solvent wipe and wipe down with tack cloth. Trigger man shoots
final coat. Celebrate with many adult beverages (if you can still lift yo
ur arms)
12) Let dry 24-36 hours and buff to remove any ornage peel effect. Some sa
y you can check the hull and only do this as needed, the boats I did were
smaller so I just did the entire thing. If you are not comfortable with
a DA buffer - hire this out - Burn in will ruin all your work in no time.
Some will say wet sand in step 4
Dear Builder Buds, I'm down to painting wing tips and not sure what to san
d the jell coat with to get the primer to stick. What grit sandpaper will
rough it enough to allow the epoxy primer to adhere, but not eat into the
hard coating ? Best regards, Bill of Georgia RV-8a, N228WP reserved, pain
ting in prep for final assembly
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| From: | "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> |
Listers -
I have a new, never mounted, never flown, TruTrak 3-1/8" ADI with
internal GPS that I'm not going to use.
$1250 +Shipping new, asking $1100, shipped CONUS.
Neal
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/15/10 |
Yup - I'm flying, but I'm not painted. I have that huge task ahead of me.
I just flew FL to VT and back and through the Hudson Corridor. It was a
fun trip.
Stan
See
your flying. I envy you and hope to be flying along before year's end. Co
urse, I have to finish this damned painting.
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/15/10 |
| From: | Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations. The first flight is always a wonderful experience. I
would suggest that you holdoff on painting until after 20 or 30 hours. When
I finished my RV8, I experienced several minor adjustments and tweaking that
would have been difficult after painting. Good Luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233m
the fast one
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:59 AM, wrote:
> Yup - I'm flying, but I'm not painted. I have that huge task ahead of
> me.
> I just flew FL to VT and back and through the Hudson Corridor. It was a
> fun trip.
> Stan
>
> See
> your flying. I envy you and hope to be flying along before year's end. Co
> urse, I have to finish this damned painting.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/17/10 |
Dick!
It's me - Stan Sutterfield - Spruce Creek. I've been flying over a year -
113 hours. I just did a trip to VT and back. I took your advice a year
ago to postpone painting until I get it tweaked. You were right. I'm still
making changes and may get around to painting this fall. Are you going to
be at Spruce Creek this winter? I want to see if I can outrun you in the
SC 100 Race.
Stan Sutterfield
The fast 8A : )
Congratulations. The first flight is always a wonderful experience. I
would suggest that you holdoff on painting until after 20 or 30 hours.
When
I finished my RV8, I experienced several minor adjustments and tweaking
that
would have been difficult after painting. Good Luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233m
the fast one
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:59 AM, wrote:
> Yup - I'm flying, but I'm not painted. I have that huge task ahead of
> me.
> I just flew FL to VT and back and through the Hudson Corridor. It was a
> fun trip.
> Stan
>
> See
> your flying. I envy you and hope to be flying along before year's end. Co
> urse, I have to finish this damned painting.
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| From: | "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | WTB Nice RV8 with Glass Panel |
Have a buddy who is looking for a nice RV8. Must have taildragger. Prefer
constant speed prop and Dynon, GRT, or AFS glass panel. Good paint or
unpainted preferred. He knows what kind of price a nice 8 is bringing and
he is way more interested in finding the right plane than the bottom price.
He is a good guy to deal with. Trying to build a RV gaggle on the field here
and need to get him into a nice ride so he can be one of the "good guys" :-)
Please send pictures and general description if you have a nice 8 that needs
a nice home!
Thanks
Bill S
7a flys next month
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/17/10 |
| From: | Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com> |
Stan,
Outrun the fast one!! Dream on.
I will be at Spruce Creek again this winter. I usually arrive their on Jan
l.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233m
the fast one
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:12 PM, wrote:
>
> Dick!
> It's me - Stan Sutterfield - Spruce Creek. I've been flying over a year -
> 113 hours. I just did a trip to VT and back. I took your advice a year ago
> to postpone painting until I get it tweaked. You were right. I'm still
> making changes and may get around to painting this fall. Are you going to
> be at Spruce Creek this winter? I want to see if I can outrun you in the SC
> 100 Race.
> Stan Sutterfield
> The fast 8A : )
>
> Congratulations. The first flight is always a wonderful experience. I
> would suggest that you holdoff on painting until after 20 or 30 hours.
> When
> I finished my RV8, I experienced several minor adjustments and tweaking
> that
> would have been difficult after painting. Good Luck.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233m
> the fast one
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:59 AM, wrote:
>
> > Yup - I'm flying, but I'm not painted. I have that huge task ahead of
> > me.
> > I just flew FL to VT and back and through the Hudson Corridor. It was a
> > fun trip.
> > Stan
> >
> > See
> > your flying. I envy you and hope to be flying along before year's end. Co
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