RV8-Archive.digest.vol-as
September 20, 2010 - March 17, 2011
RV8-Archive.digest.vol-as
September 20, 2010 - March 17, 2011
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Subject: Re: WTB Nice RV8 with Glass Panel
From: "William L. Paulin" <wpaulin(at)usa.net>
Date: Sep 20, 2010
I am in the same boat as your friend - looking for a good RV-8 with
newer IFR panel. Except I am located at PRC (Prescott, AZ - Love Field)
and San DIego area (RMN - Ramona). I can buy the RV-8 from anywhere in
the USA.
Thanks,
Bill
On Sep 19, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Bill Schlatterer wrote:
Have a buddy who is looking for a nice RV8. Must have taildragger.
Prefer constant speed prop and Dynon, GRT, or AFS glass panel. Good
paint or unpainted preferred. He knows what kind of price a nice 8 is
bringing and he is way more interested in finding the right plane than
the bottom price. He is a good guy to deal with. Trying to build a RV
gaggle on the field here and need to get him into a nice ride so he can
be one of the "good guys" :-)
Please send pictures and general description if you have a nice 8 that
needs a nice home!
Thanks
Bill S
7a flys next month
**********************************
William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 21, 2010
Subject: Re: WTB Nice RV8 with Glass Panel
Gentlemen,
There is a nice RV-8 belonging to the guy across the street from me. It
is not a glass panel, but nicely equipped. It was the fourth member of a
four ship RV formation show team called the Mavericks and has a nice paint
job.
The owner is switching to a LSA and has it listed in Trade-a-Plane. If
you'd like details or photos email me directly and I'll get it for you.
Stan Sutterfield
I am in the same boat as your friend - looking for a good RV-8 with
newer IFR panel. Except I am located at PRC (Prescott, AZ - Love Field)
and San DIego area (RMN - Ramona). I can buy the RV-8 from anywhere in
the USA.
Thanks,
Bill
On Sep 19, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Bill Schlatterer wrote:
Have a buddy who is looking for a nice RV8. Must have taildragger.
Prefer constant speed prop and Dynon, GRT, or AFS glass panel. Good
paint or unpainted preferred. He knows what kind of price a nice 8 is
bringing and he is way more interested in finding the right plane than
the bottom price. He is a good guy to deal with. Trying to build a RV
gaggle on the field here and need to get him into a nice ride so he can
be one of the "good guys" :-)
Please send pictures and general description if you have a nice 8 that
needs a nice home!
Thanks
Bill S
7a flys next month
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Subject: WTB Fiberglass tips for RV8 empennage
From: "Rv8ter" <rv8ter(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2010
Does anyone have a partial or a complete set of empennage tips for an 8 they would
like to sell? I also need the rudder bottom. (with tail light provision preferred)
Thanks
Lonnie
lonlynn @ bellsouth dot net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313454#313454
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Date: Sep 22, 2010
From: Jesse Laub <jesse(at)casco.net>
Subject: Re: WTB Fiberglass tips for RV8 empennage
Hi Lonnie,
I do have a set of tips (8A) and rudder bottom with light provision.
They are attached to my empennage in my shop attic. I would be willing
to drill them off. I have sold most of the project and didn't plan to
sell the empennage. Can send pics (give me a couple of days) Make me
an offer.
Jesse Laub
jesse(at)casco.net
Rv8ter wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a partial or a complete set of empennage tips for an 8 they
would like to sell? I also need the rudder bottom. (with tail light provision
preferred)
> Thanks
> Lonnie
> lonlynn @ bellsouth dot net
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313454#313454
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 28, 2010
Subject: RV-8A Numbers
Without an aero engineer degree, it=99s often difficult to know if
the
numbers you are getting with your RV are accurate. I have done multiple
TAS
calculations using GPS triangles and feel confident in my TAS indications.
But, I am a fan of IAS =93 despite it=99s well known variatio
ns. IAS is
something I can see and easily reference in the cockpit and it is indicati
ng how
many air molecules are passing the airplane. So long as the pitot-static
is
properly functioning, I have solid confidence in the IAS. If I lose that
confidence, I can drop back and reference other speed or power indication
s.
I have neither the knowledge nor the desire to determine my exact CAS at
various speeds, so one way to check my numbers is to compare them with a
like airplane. I flew formation with another RV-8A with the same engine
to
compare numbers because his IAS was dramatically better than mine. Turns
out
his IAS was not even close to accurate. That doesn=99t really matte
r so long
as he knows the numbers for his particular aircraft. But, when comparing
aircraft using textual information, the comparison is more difficult. I
have wondered how the numbers I=99m getting compare to other RVs ac
ross the
country. So, for anyone who is wondering about their RV-8A compared to
others, I=99m posting some numbers that I recently recorded. The
Fuel Flow numbers
are estimates since my FF readings are not yet accurate.
Altitude MP RPM KIAS KTAS
FF (approx) EGT
1000 26 2500 178 182
15.0 Peak
2500 25.2 2500 165 172
12.5 ROP
4500 26 2400 169 184
13.5 40ROP
10500 20.8 2000 na na
9.0 Peak
11500 20.1 2300 142 172
10.5 Peak
11500 20.0 2240 137 166
10.1 Peak
17500 15.4 2400 124 166
7.8 Peak
17500 15.4 2300 120 162
7.8 Peak
20000 13.8 2400 113 160
7.0 Peak
24000 11.5 2500 89 135
7.2 70LOP
24000 11.5 2300 92 139
6.9 40LOP
24000 11.6 2200 88 134
7.0 60ROP
My deduction is that my engine is using far more fuel than other similar
engines. I don=99t know why, but that seems to be that case. The
accuracy of
all numbers above have been verified by using other measuring means. The
only one that is still inaccurate is the FF. I=99ve been making
adjustments
to the FF values in the engine monitor, but can=99t get it narrowed
to
accuracy.
Based on my numbers thus far, I will plan the following for cross country
:
High Altitude to gain a tailwind
FL200 2300RPM 7.0 FF 160 KTAS
Medium Altitude
11500 2200RPM 9.0 FF 160 KTAS
8500 2200RPM 9.2 FF 160 KTAS
Low Altitude
2500 2300RPM 9.5 FF 160 KTAS
What numbers are you using?
Stan Sutterfield
_www.rv-8a.net_ (http://www.rv-8a.net)
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From: "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: Gear Towers
Date: Oct 09, 2010
Am seriously considering opening up the gear towers similar to what Mike
Stewart did. This was a suggestion in response to questions I posed
about the gear installation and I would like to flesh it out a little
more. It certainly makes access to the
#$%&@* gear bolts and other stuff inside much easier. My plan A would
be to bridge only the the lower 2 lightening holes, rather than all
three. Since I haven't installed the gear yet, this would be a good
time to do it. All suggestions/comments greatly appreciated.
Stan Loer
RV8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Chris Johnston <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>
Date: Oct 09, 2010
Subject: Re: Gear Towers
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From: "Dean Merchant" <deanmerchant(at)wowway.com>
Subject: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Date: Oct 10, 2010
I'm at the point of asking the FAA for their blessing before trying out
my RV8. It seems I should have a pilot's handbook for the RV8 before I
go much further.
All suggestions will be welcome.
Dean
Taxi Testing in Progress
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From: "Randy Difani" <t6pilot(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Date: Oct 10, 2010
Recommend you go here: http://www.vansairforce.net/poh.htm
If it solves your POH problem recommend you join for $25/year.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Merchant
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:35 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
I'm at the point of asking the FAA for their blessing before trying
out my RV8. It seems I should have a pilot's handbook for the RV8
before I go much further.
All suggestions will be welcome.
Dean
Taxi Testing in Progress
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From: "Dean Merchant" <deanmerchant(at)wowway.com>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Date: Oct 11, 2010
Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
Thanks again.... Dean
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Difani
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Recommend you go here: http://www.vansairforce.net/poh.htm
If it solves your POH problem recommend you join for $25/year.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Merchant
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:35 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
I'm at the point of asking the FAA for their blessing before trying
out my RV8. It seems I should have a pilot's handbook for the RV8
before I go much further.
All suggestions will be welcome.
Dean
Taxi Testing in Progress
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Date: Oct 12, 2010
From: Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Gear Towers
Stan,
-
I tried to send you an email with some pics on how I did my towers but your
server blocked it.- How would you like me to send them to you?
-
Bill.
--- On Sat, 10/9/10, Stan Loer wrote:
From: Stan Loer <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Gear Towers
Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 1:51 PM
Am seriously considering opening up the gear towers similar to what Mike St
ewart did.- This was a suggestion in response to questions I posed about
the gear installation and I would like to flesh it out a little more.- It
certainly makes access to the
#$%&@* gear bolts and other stuff inside much easier.--My plan A would
be to-bridge only the the lower 2 lightening holes, rather than all three
.- Since I haven't installed the gear yet,-this would be a good time to
do it.- All suggestions/comments greatly appreciated.- ---
-
Stan Loer---
RV8 QB
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 12, 2010
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Dean,
My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it finished
(ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
Stan Sutterfield
Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Date: Oct 13, 2010
From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Stan, I'm in final assembly on my 8a and sure could use a draft POH. Pleas
e send to me as well. How is your MGL working? I still have to re attach
my Odyssey. Hope to hear from you, Bill Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:38 pm
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Dean,
My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a 8.
5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it finished
(ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
Stan Sutterfield
Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
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From: "Glenn Bell" <glennbell(at)cablelynx.com>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Date: Oct 13, 2010
We are closing in on finishing an 8A too.would really like to see the draft
glennbell(at)cablelynx.com thanks
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan, I'm in final assembly on my 8a and sure could use a draft POH. Please
send to me as well. How is your MGL working? I still have to re attach my
Odyssey. Hope to hear from you, Bill Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2010 10:38 pm
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Dean,
My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it finished
(ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
Stan Sutterfield
Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
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From: "FLYBOY.BOB" <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Date: Oct 14, 2010
Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com
Thanks, Bob Christensen - N83RC
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Dean,
My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it
finished (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
Stan Sutterfield
Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had
no
RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a
good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 14, 2010
From: Carol Ann Mathes <carolannmathes(at)optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Hi there. I would like one also. CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net Thank you.
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com Thanks,
Bob Christensen - N83RC
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Dean,
My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it finished
(ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
Stan Sutterfield
Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Johnson" <tonyjohnson(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Date: Oct 14, 2010
Stan,
I would like to join the growing list of those requesting your POH.
Thanks,
Tony
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carol Ann Mathes
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Hi there. I would like one also. CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net Thank you.
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com Thanks,
Bob Christensen - N83RC
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Dean,
My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it finished
(ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
Stan Sutterfield
Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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From: "MARGHERITIS, ALEX F." <AMARGHERITIS(at)lawa.org>
Date: Oct 14, 2010
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan. Can you please send me one also? amargheritis(at)lawa.org Thanks.
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Carol Ann Mathes
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Hi there. I would like one also. CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net Thank you.
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com Thanks, Bob Christensen - N83RC
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com<mailto:Speedy11(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Dean,
My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're in
terested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a 8.5x11
sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it finished (ha)
I'll have it printed and laminated.
Stan Sutterfield
Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.c
om/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Esten Spears" <ewspears(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Date: Oct 14, 2010
Stan,
I think you should post your POH somewhere for all to download. If
not, please add me to the list. ewspears(at)comcast.net
THANKS! Esten Spears
----- Original Message -----
From: MARGHERITIS, ALEX F.
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan. Can you please send me one also? amargheritis(at)lawa.org Thanks.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carol Ann
Mathes
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:51 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Hi there. I would like one also. CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net Thank
you.
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com
Thanks, Bob Christensen - N83RC
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Dean,
My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if
you're interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape
on a 8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it
finished (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
Stan Sutterfield
Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had
no
RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a
good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV8-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums
.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m
atronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 14, 2010
From: Chris Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Please add me to the list for your POH...
Thanks!
chris stone
rv8iator(at)gmail.com
rv8iator(at)earthlink.net
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan,
I would like to join the growing list of those
requesting your POH.
Thanks,
Tony
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carol Ann
Mathes
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:51 AM
rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating
Handbook for RV8
Hi
there. I would like one also. CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net
Thank you.
From:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23
AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re:
Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan,
I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com
Thanks, Bob Christensen - N83RC
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent:
Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject:
RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for
RV8
Dean,
My POH
is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it
finished (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
Stan
Sutterfield
Thanks
for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
RV-8
handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to
join. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c From: MLWynn(at)aol.com Date: Oct 14, 2010
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Me too.
Would you consider posting in on the files section of the Yahoo group?
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
mlwynn(at)aol.com
In a message dated 10/14/2010 4:49:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tonyjohnson(at)cfl.rr.com writes:
Stan,
I would like to join the growing list of those requesting your POH.
Thanks,
Tony
____________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carol Ann Mathes
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Hi there. I would like one also. _CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net_
(mailto:CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net) Thank you.
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to _flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com_
(mailto:flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com) Thanks, Bob Christensen - N83RC
From: _Speedy11(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Speedy11(at)aol.com)
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Dean,
My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it finished
(ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
Stan Sutterfield
Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List_
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List) ">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List_
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List)
href="_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/)
">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/)
href="_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ">_http://www.matronics.com/c_ (http://www.matronics.com/c)
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 14, 2010
From: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
An excellent suggestion, as I would also like to see it!
Bart Filipiak
Bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com
828-619-0315
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 14, 2010
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Bill,
It's on the way to your email.
I made the mistake of buying Blue Mountain instead of MGL. Now I'm
looking for a replacement - probably Advanced Flight Systems.
Stan
Stan, I'm in final assembly on my 8a and sure could use a draft POH. Pleas
e send to me as well. How is your MGL working? I still have to re attach
my Odyssey. Hope to hear from you, Bill Phillips
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2010
Subject: Re: RV8-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 10/14/10
From: JT McCracken <jtmccracken(at)gmail.com>
Stan, If it's not too late, I'd very much appreciate a copy as well.
Thanks, JT jtmccracken(at)gmail.com
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> 1. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8 (Carol Ann
> Mathes)
> 2. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8 (Tony
> Johnson)
> 3. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8 (MARGHERITIS,
> ALEX F.)
> 4. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8 (Esten
> Spears)
> 5. 06:47 AM - Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8 (Chris Stone)
> 6. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8 (
> MLWynn(at)aol.com)
> 7. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8 (Bart
> Filipiak)
> 8. 06:27 PM - Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8 (
> Speedy11(at)aol.com)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Carol Ann Mathes <carolannmathes(at)optonline.net>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
> Hi there. I would like one also. CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net Thank
> you.
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com Thanks,
> Bob Christensen - N83RC
>
>
> From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
>
>
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Dean,
>
> My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
> interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
> 8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it
> finished
> (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
>
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
> RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
> format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/
> Navigator?RV8-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Tony Johnson" <tonyjohnson(at)cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Stan,
>
> I would like to join the growing list of those requesting your POH.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carol Ann Mathes
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:51 AM
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Hi there. I would like one also. CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net Thank
> you.
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com Thanks,
> Bob Christensen - N83RC
>
>
> From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
>
>
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Dean,
>
> My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
> interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
> 8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it
> finished
> (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
>
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
> RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
> format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/
> Navigator?RV8-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "MARGHERITIS, ALEX F." <AMARGHERITIS(at)lawa.org>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
> Stan. Can you please send me one also? amargheritis(at)lawa.org amarghe
> ritis(at)lawa.org> Thanks.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv8-list-server@mat
> ronics.com] On Behalf Of Carol Ann Mathes
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:51 AM
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
> Hi there. I would like one also. CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net Caro
> lAnnMathes(at)optonline.net> Thank you.
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv8-list-server@mat
> ronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
> Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com fly
> boy.bob(at)gmail.com> Thanks, Bob Christensen - N83RC
>
> From: Speedy11(at)aol.com<mailto:Speedy11(at)aol.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Dean,
> My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're in
> terested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a 8.5x11
> sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it finished (ha)
> I'll have it printed and laminated.
> Stan Sutterfield
> Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
> RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
> format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.c
> om/Navigator?RV8-List
>
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Esten Spears" <ewspears(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
> Stan,
> I think you should post your POH somewhere for all to download. If
> not, please add me to the list. ewspears(at)comcast.net
> THANKS! Esten Spears
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MARGHERITIS, ALEX F.
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:11 AM
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Stan. Can you please send me one also? amargheritis(at)lawa.org Thanks.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carol Ann
> Mathes
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:51 AM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Hi there. I would like one also. CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net Thank
> you.
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23 AM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com
> Thanks, Bob Christensen - N83RC
>
>
> From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
>
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Dean,
>
> My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if
> you're interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape
> on a 8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it
> finished (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
>
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had
> no
> RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a
> good
> format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
> .com/Navigator?RV8-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums
> .matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m
> atronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
> http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Chris Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: RV8-List: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Please add me to the list for your POH...
>
> Thanks!
>
> chris stone
>
> rv8iator(at)gmail.com
> rv8iator(at)earthlink.net
>
>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Stan,
>
> I would like to join the growing list of those
> requesting your POH.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carol Ann
> Mathes
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:51 AM
> rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating
> Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Hi
> there. I would like one also. CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net
> Thank you.
>
>
> From:
> owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23
> AM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re:
> Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Stan,
> I'd like a copy of your POH too, to flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com
> Thanks, Bob Christensen - N83RC
>
>
> From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
>
> Sent:
> Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
>
>
> Subject:
> RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for
> RV8
>
>
> Dean,
>
> My POH
> is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
> interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
> 8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it
> finished (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
>
> Stan
> Sutterfield
>
>
> Thanks
> for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
> RV-8
> handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
>
> format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to
> join. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-Listhref="
> http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =================http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
> =================http://forums.matronics.com ================
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ================
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: MLWynn(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
> Me too.
>
> Would you consider posting in on the files section of the Yahoo group?
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV 8 Finishing
> San Ramon, CA
> mlwynn(at)aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 10/14/2010 4:49:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> tonyjohnson(at)cfl.rr.com writes:
>
>
> Stan,
>
> I would like to join the growing list of those requesting your POH.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
>
>
> ____________________________________
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carol Ann
> Mathes
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:51 AM
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Hi there. I would like one also. _CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net_
> (mailto:CarolAnnMathes(at)optonline.net) Thank you.
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYBOY.BOB
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Stan, I'd like a copy of your POH too, to _flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com_
> (mailto:flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com) Thanks, Bob Christensen - N83RC
>
>
> From: _Speedy11(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Speedy11(at)aol.com)
>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM
>
>
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Dean,
>
> My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
> interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
> 8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it
> finished
> (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
>
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
> RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
> format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
>
>
> href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List_
> (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List) ">_
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List_
> (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List)
> href="_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/)
> ">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/)
> href="_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_
> (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ">_http://www.matronics.com/c_ (
> http://www.matronics.com/c)
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List)
> (http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
> An excellent suggestion, as I would also like to see it!
>
> Bart Filipiak
> Bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com
> 828-619-0315
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
>
>
> Bill,
> It's on the way to your email.
> I made the mistake of buying Blue Mountain instead of MGL. Now I'm
> looking for a replacement - probably Advanced Flight Systems.
> Stan
>
> Stan, I'm in final assembly on my 8a and sure could use a draft POH. Pleas
> e send to me as well. How is your MGL working? I still have to re attach
> my Odyssey. Hope to hear from you, Bill Phillips
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2010
From: Breece Nesbitt <breece28117(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan,=0A=0APlease send me a copy.- I'm close to finishing my RV8 and your
POH will be a big =0Ahelp.=0A=0AThanks,=0ABreece Nesbitt=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___
_____________________________=0AFrom: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com>
=0ATo: rv8-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, October 12, 2010 10:38:46 PM=0AS
ubject: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8=0A=0A=0A=0ADean,
=0AMy POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
=0Ainterested.- It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on
a 8.5x11 =0Asheet then you fold them and staple together.- Once I get it
finished (ha) I'll =0Ahave it printed and laminated.=0AStan Sutterfield=0AT
hanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force.- They had no
=0A>RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding.- It makes a go
od =0A>format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.=0A
========== =0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2010
From: <geezer02(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan,
I know everone would like your POH and if it is not posted somewhere, could you
please add me to the growing list.
Thanks in advance.
Louis Dunn
Geezer02(at)windstream.net
---- Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Dean,
> My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
> interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
> 8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it finished
> (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
> RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
> format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Oct 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan,
At this point that better be one special POH. Please include me in your
distribution when available.
Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
RV-8A First Flight ~6 weeks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
geezer02(at)windstream.net
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Stan,
I know everone would like your POH and if it is not posted somewhere, could
you please add me to the growing list.
Thanks in advance.
Louis Dunn
Geezer02(at)windstream.net
---- Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Dean,
> My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
> interested. It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
> 8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together. Once I get it
> finished
> (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> Thanks for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force. They had no
> RV-8 handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding. It makes a good
> format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to join.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2010
From: Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Same here Stan.- Thanks!
--- On Fri, 10/15/10, geezer02(at)windstream.net wro
te:
From: geezer02(at)windstream.net <geezer02(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 11:49 AM
Stan,
I know everone would like your POH and if it is not posted somewhere, could
you please add me to the growing list.
Thanks in advance.
Louis Dunn-
Geezer02(at)windstream.net
---- Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Dean,
> My POH is a work in progress, but I'm happy to send you a copy if you're
-
> interested.- It's setup in Word and prints two pages in landscape on a
-
> 8.5x11 sheet then you fold them and staple together.- Once I get it-
finished
> (ha) I'll have it printed and laminated.
> Stan Sutterfield
>-
> Thanks- for the suggestion that I check the Vans Air Force.- They had
no
> RV-8- handbook but the one for the RV-9 is outstanding.- It makes a g
ood-
> format for me to fill in the data for the RV-8. I plan to- join.
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
To all interested in my POH, I am on the road and will be home Tuesday. I
will send to all not previously sent. I have two parts - the Flight
Manual and the QRH (Quick Reference Handbook). They are both a work in progress
and some have said they are worth exactly what you pay for them. : )
The Flight Manual is intended to be a 8.5x11 stay-at-home document with
lots of detail and photos and can be stored electronically and printed. It
is in Word format and can be put in a normal binder. In electronic form,
the electric and fuel system diagrams could be interactive - that is, a switch
could be turned on and everything powered by that switch would activate on
the diagram. There's probably a skilled guy out there who can do a better
job than me at putting together such diagrams, but I will work on them,
too. It just seems like flying gets in the way of that important work.
My QRH, or Checklist, is an in-cockpit document that includes all of the
things necessary to carry in the plane - as well as the normal and emergency
checklists.
I believe that, as a group, we could come up with a generic flight manual
and checklist that RV-8 builders could then modify to their personal
airplanes. There's no point in each builder reinventing the POH/Flight Manual
and QRH/Checklist. We could have an electronic version that is easy to trade
among ourselves and someone could be the central point for updates and
changes to them. I think it would make life easier for everyone and
eventually we would have a nice product.
I still have lots of work to do on my Flight Manual and I will get back to
work on it. As it develops, I will post it on my web site for others to
consider. We can post other guy's POHs there also if they will permit.
Then a new builder would have a single point to access drafts or examples from
which to build his own personalized documents. Same could be true for the
Checklist/QRH.
Thoughts?
Stan Sutterfield
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2010
From: <geezer02(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pilot's Operating Handbook for RV8
A Big Thanks to you for all of your effort and sharing. While I still have a little
to go it will be a big time saver for me.
Louis
RV-8 Reserved # N18LD
---- Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
> To all interested in my POH, I am on the road and will be home Tuesday. I
> will send to all not previously sent. I have two parts - the Flight
> Manual and the QRH (Quick Reference Handbook). They are both a work in progress
> and some have said they are worth exactly what you pay for them. : )
> The Flight Manual is intended to be a 8.5x11 stay-at-home document with
> lots of detail and photos and can be stored electronically and printed. It
> is in Word format and can be put in a normal binder. In electronic form,
> the electric and fuel system diagrams could be interactive - that is, a switch
> could be turned on and everything powered by that switch would activate on
> the diagram. There's probably a skilled guy out there who can do a better
> job than me at putting together such diagrams, but I will work on them,
> too. It just seems like flying gets in the way of that important work.
> My QRH, or Checklist, is an in-cockpit document that includes all of the
> things necessary to carry in the plane - as well as the normal and emergency
> checklists.
> I believe that, as a group, we could come up with a generic flight manual
> and checklist that RV-8 builders could then modify to their personal
> airplanes. There's no point in each builder reinventing the POH/Flight Manual
> and QRH/Checklist. We could have an electronic version that is easy to trade
> among ourselves and someone could be the central point for updates and
> changes to them. I think it would make life easier for everyone and
> eventually we would have a nice product.
> I still have lots of work to do on my Flight Manual and I will get back to
> work on it. As it develops, I will post it on my web site for others to
> consider. We can post other guy's POHs there also if they will permit.
> Then a new builder would have a single point to access drafts or examples from
> which to build his own personalized documents. Same could be true for the
> Checklist/QRH.
> Thoughts?
> Stan Sutterfield
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
Dear Listers,
I took the cowling off the 'ol RV-8 today to have a look around at about the 112
TTSN hour mark. Most everything looked okay except for one major issue. The
outside, lower back mount on the oil cooler is totally cracked off. The outside,
lower front mount also has a long crack. At this point, the upper part
of the mount seems alright. Also the inside mounts show no signs of cracks.
The rear flange on the baffling has a small crack where the left rear part rivets
to the back baffle that the oil cooler is bolted to. No oil leaks of any
kind at this point. See attached pictures from my Cell Phone.
So what the heck? The engine shakes quite a bit on startup and shutdown (smooth
as glass during normal ops), but this doesn't really seem like rotational shake
damage. Although, it must be. Obviously I'm going to have to remove the
oil cooler and have it repaired (that can be done, right?). But just "fixing"
the mounting flanges isn't going to solve the "problem".
What are lister's opinion on what's going on here and what could be done to prevent
it?
Interestingly, I noted that the #4 grounding cable that is attached to a bolt hole
right underneath the oil cooler also had the lug sheered off. There is "service
loop" on the cable, but #4 isn't really flexible so its not particular
effective. Guess I need more. The point though, is, that it seems like the engine
shook pretty hard. I don't see any other signs of "issues" related. The
mounts and bolts seem solid and tight.
Thoughts?
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 112+ Hours TTSN!
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Oct 18, 2010
Are you sure the oil cooler is not hitting the engine mount? From the Picts,
it sure looks close....
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 17, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I took the cowling off the 'ol RV-8 today to have a look around at about the
112 TTSN hour mark. Most everything looked okay except for one major issue.
The outside, lower back mount on the oil cooler is totally cracked off. The outside,
lower front mount also has a long crack. At this point, the upper part
of the mount seems alright. Also the inside mounts show no signs of cracks.
The rear flange on the baffling has a small crack where the left rear part rivets
to the back baffle that the oil cooler is bolted to. No oil leaks of any
kind at this point. See attached pictures from my Cell Phone.
>
> So what the heck? The engine shakes quite a bit on startup and shutdown (smooth
as glass during normal ops), but this doesn't really seem like rotational
shake damage. Although, it must be. Obviously I'm going to have to remove the
oil cooler and have it repaired (that can be done, right?). But just "fixing"
the mounting flanges isn't going to solve the "problem".
>
> What are lister's opinion on what's going on here and what could be done to prevent
it?
>
> Interestingly, I noted that the #4 grounding cable that is attached to a bolt
hole right underneath the oil cooler also had the lug sheered off. There is
"service loop" on the cable, but #4 isn't really flexible so its not particular
effective. Guess I need more. The point though, is, that it seems like the
engine shook pretty hard. I don't see any other signs of "issues" related.
The mounts and bolts seem solid and tight.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 112+ Hours TTSN!
> <2010.10.17 - RV-8 - IO-390 Oil Cooler Mount Cracking (1).jpg>
> <2010.10.17 - RV-8 - IO-390 Oil Cooler Mount Cracking (2).jpg>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
From: Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com>
Mat, call me @920 619 6968. I experienced the same problem 2500 hours ago
when I first flew my RV8 (serial no. 2). I can explain in detail how and
what to do.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I took the cowling off the 'ol RV-8 today to have a look around at about
> the 112 TTSN hour mark. Most everything looked okay except for one major
> issue. The outside, lower back mount on the oil cooler is totally cracked
> off. The outside, lower front mount also has a long crack. At this point,
> the upper part of the mount seems alright. Also the inside mounts show no
> signs of cracks. The rear flange on the baffling has a small crack where
> the left rear part rivets to the back baffle that the oil cooler is bolted
> to. No oil leaks of any kind at this point. See attached pictures from my
> Cell Phone.
>
> So what the heck? The engine shakes quite a bit on startup and shutdown
> (smooth as glass during normal ops), but this doesn't really seem like
> rotational shake damage. Although, it must be. Obviously I'm going to have
> to remove the oil cooler and have it repaired (that can be done, right?).
> But just "fixing" the mounting flanges isn't going to solve the "problem".
>
> What are lister's opinion on what's going on here and what could be done to
> prevent it?
>
> Interestingly, I noted that the #4 grounding cable that is attached to a
> bolt hole right underneath the oil cooler also had the lug sheered off.
> There is "service loop" on the cable, but #4 isn't really flexible so its
> not particular effective. Guess I need more. The point though, is, that it
> seems like the engine shook pretty hard. I don't see any other signs of
> "issues" related. The mounts and bolts seem solid and tight.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 112+ Hours TTSN!
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 18, 2010
From: Chris Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
Dick...
I am about to install an oil cooler on my RV-8. I would be interested in your
experiences and solutions to the cracking problem.
I am under the impression that this list is for the sharing and dissemination of
experience and information,. If it is used as message board for offline communications
then the benefits of this forum are lost.
Chris Stone
RV-8
Newberg, OR
Mat, call me @920 619 6968. I experienced the same problem 2500 hours ago when
I first flew my RV8 (serial no. 2). I can explain in detail how and what to
do.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
Dear Listers,
I took the cowling off the 'ol RV-8 today to have a look around at about the 112
TTSN hour mark. Most everything looked okay except for one major issue. The
outside, lower back mount on the oil cooler is totally cracked off. The outside,
lower front mount also has a long crack. At this point, the upper part
of the mount seems alright. Also the inside mounts show no signs of cracks.
The rear flange on the baffling has a small crack where the left rear part rivets
to the back baffle that the oil cooler is bolted to. No oil leaks of any
kind at this point. See attached pictures from my Cell Phone.
So what the heck? The engine shakes quite a bit on startup and shutdown (smooth
as glass during normal ops), but this doesn't really seem like rotational shake
damage. Although, it must be. Obviously I'm going to have to remove the
oil cooler and have it repaired (that can be done, right?). But just "fixing"
the mounting flanges isn't going to solve the "problem".
What are lister's opinion on what's going on here and what could be done to prevent
it?
Interestingly, I noted that the #4 grounding cable that is attached to a bolt hole
right underneath the oil cooler also had the lug sheered off. There is "service
loop" on the cable, but #4 isn't really flexible so its not particular
effective. Guess I need more. The point though, is, that it seems like the engine
shook pretty hard. I don't see any other signs of "issues" related. The
mounts and bolts seem solid and tight.
Thoughts?
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 112+ Hours TTSN!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stephan Servatius" <romeo.victor@t-online.de>
Subject: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
Date: Oct 18, 2010
Hi Dick,
I am here in Germany but as well would like to know what you guys are
discussing. May I call you as well or can you place some words in the net?
Best Regards
Stephan Servatius
2nd RV8
Von: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Martin
Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2010 15:43
An: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Betreff: Re: RV8-List: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
Mat, call me @920 619 6968. I experienced the same problem 2500 hours ago
when I first flew my RV8 (serial no. 2). I can explain in detail how and
what to do.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
Dear Listers,
I took the cowling off the 'ol RV-8 today to have a look around at about the
112 TTSN hour mark. Most everything looked okay except for one major issue.
The outside, lower back mount on the oil cooler is totally cracked off. The
outside, lower front mount also has a long crack. At this point, the upper
part of the mount seems alright. Also the inside mounts show no signs of
cracks. The rear flange on the baffling has a small crack where the left
rear part rivets to the back baffle that the oil cooler is bolted to. No
oil leaks of any kind at this point. See attached pictures from my Cell
Phone.
So what the heck? The engine shakes quite a bit on startup and shutdown
(smooth as glass during normal ops), but this doesn't really seem like
rotational shake damage. Although, it must be. Obviously I'm going to have
to remove the oil cooler and have it repaired (that can be done, right?).
But just "fixing" the mounting flanges isn't going to solve the "problem".
What are lister's opinion on what's going on here and what could be done to
prevent it?
Interestingly, I noted that the #4 grounding cable that is attached to a
bolt hole right underneath the oil cooler also had the lug sheered off.
There is "service loop" on the cable, but #4 isn't really flexible so its
not particular effective. Guess I need more. The point though, is, that it
seems like the engine shook pretty hard. I don't see any other signs of
"issues" related. The mounts and bolts seem solid and tight.
Thoughts?
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
Date: Oct 18, 2010
Matt,
Some thoughts;
- As others have pointed out, the moment arm of a cantilevered baffle
mounted oil cooler is significant. If you really want to mount it there you
will need to add some hefty baffle structural support. I have my oil cooler
on the firewall in the 8A (600 hrs) and will do so in the 10 as well (but
not the poor Van's design for the 10). The firewall mount also simplifies
the oil cooler air butterfly valve install.
- I can't tell from the photos which is oil in and oil out of the cooler.
For any cooler where one inlet is higher than the other, always put the
input on the bottom and output on the top. This helps eliminate air getting
trapped in the cooler.
- I recommend grounding your engine at the starter (most starters have a
grounding lug). Remember that all the current you are pumping into the
starter has to get back to the battery. A ground path through the engine is
less than optimal. While you are at it run a short #6 jumper from the
starter ground lug to the alternator mounting bolt as well.
Carl Froehlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
Dear Listers,
I took the cowling off the 'ol RV-8 today to have a look around at about the
112 TTSN hour mark. Most everything looked okay except for one major issue.
The outside, lower back mount on the oil cooler is totally cracked off. The
outside, lower front mount also has a long crack. At this point, the upper
part of the mount seems alright. Also the inside mounts show no signs of
cracks. The rear flange on the baffling has a small crack where the left
rear part rivets to the back baffle that the oil cooler is bolted to. No
oil leaks of any kind at this point. See attached pictures from my Cell
Phone.
So what the heck? The engine shakes quite a bit on startup and shutdown
(smooth as glass during normal ops), but this doesn't really seem like
rotational shake damage. Although, it must be. Obviously I'm going to have
to remove the oil cooler and have it repaired (that can be done, right?).
But just "fixing" the mounting flanges isn't going to solve the "problem".
What are lister's opinion on what's going on here and what could be done to
prevent it?
Interestingly, I noted that the #4 grounding cable that is attached to a
bolt hole right underneath the oil cooler also had the lug sheered off.
There is "service loop" on the cable, but #4 isn't really flexible so its
not particular effective. Guess I need more. The point though, is, that it
seems like the engine shook pretty hard. I don't see any other signs of
"issues" related. The mounts and bolts seem solid and tight.
Thoughts?
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 112+ Hours TTSN!
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Date: Oct 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
From: Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com>
What don't you like about the RV-10 cooler design? I'm planning on using it
for my RV-7. It's going to be a tight fit, but doable.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
> carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
>
> Matt,
>
> Some thoughts;
> - As others have pointed out, the moment arm of a cantilevered baffle
> mounted oil cooler is significant. If you really want to mount it there
> you
> will need to add some hefty baffle structural support. I have my oil
> cooler
> on the firewall in the 8A (600 hrs) and will do so in the 10 as well (but
> not the poor Van's design for the 10). The firewall mount also simplifies
> the oil cooler air butterfly valve install.
> - I can't tell from the photos which is oil in and oil out of the cooler.
> For any cooler where one inlet is higher than the other, always put the
> input on the bottom and output on the top. This helps eliminate air
> getting
> trapped in the cooler.
> - I recommend grounding your engine at the starter (most starters have a
> grounding lug). Remember that all the current you are pumping into the
> starter has to get back to the battery. A ground path through the engine
> is
> less than optimal. While you are at it run a short #6 jumper from the
> starter ground lug to the alternator mounting bolt as well.
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:11 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv7-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I took the cowling off the 'ol RV-8 today to have a look around at about
> the
> 112 TTSN hour mark. Most everything looked okay except for one major
> issue.
> The outside, lower back mount on the oil cooler is totally cracked off.
> The
> outside, lower front mount also has a long crack. At this point, the upper
> part of the mount seems alright. Also the inside mounts show no signs of
> cracks. The rear flange on the baffling has a small crack where the left
> rear part rivets to the back baffle that the oil cooler is bolted to. No
> oil leaks of any kind at this point. See attached pictures from my Cell
> Phone.
>
> So what the heck? The engine shakes quite a bit on startup and shutdown
> (smooth as glass during normal ops), but this doesn't really seem like
> rotational shake damage. Although, it must be. Obviously I'm going to
> have
> to remove the oil cooler and have it repaired (that can be done, right?).
> But just "fixing" the mounting flanges isn't going to solve the "problem".
>
> What are lister's opinion on what's going on here and what could be done to
> prevent it?
>
> Interestingly, I noted that the #4 grounding cable that is attached to a
> bolt hole right underneath the oil cooler also had the lug sheered off.
> There is "service loop" on the cable, but #4 isn't really flexible so its
> not particular effective. Guess I need more. The point though, is, that
> it
> seems like the engine shook pretty hard. I don't see any other signs of
> "issues" related. The mounts and bolts seem solid and tight.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 112+ Hours TTSN!
>
>
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking
Matt,
My engine shakes a lot, too. Especially during start and shutdown.
I have cracking in the baffles and one exhaust pipe was hitting the engine
mount.
I don't have any oil cooler issues because I remote mounted it, but I've
heard that most guys who mount the cooler on the rear of baffles have
continuous problems with cracked mounts.
It seems like Dick Martin came up with a good mount for the baffles that
doesn't crack and has improved air flow. He moved it aft and tilted it
downward.
Maybe he will see your post and offer advice.
Stan Sutterfield
I took the cowling off the 'ol RV-8 today to have a look around at about
the 112
TTSN hour mark. Most everything looked okay except for one major issue.
The
outside, lower back mount on the oil cooler is totally cracked off. The
outside,
lower front mount also has a long crack. At this point, the upper part
of the mount seems alright. Also the inside mounts show no signs of
cracks.
The rear flange on the baffling has a small crack where the left rear part
rivets
to the back baffle that the oil cooler is bolted to. No oil leaks of any
kind at this point. See attached pictures from my Cell Phone.
So what the heck? The engine shakes quite a bit on startup and shutdown
(smooth
as glass during normal ops), but this doesn't really seem like rotational
shake
damage. Although, it must be. Obviously I'm going to have to remove the
oil cooler and have it repaired (that can be done, right?). But just
"fixing"
the mounting flanges isn't going to solve the "problem".
What are lister's opinion on what's going on here and what could be done
to prevent
it?
Interestingly, I noted that the #4 grounding cable that is attached to a
bolt hole
right underneath the oil cooler also had the lug sheered off. There is
"service
loop" on the cable, but #4 isn't really flexible so its not particular
effective. Guess I need more. The point though, is, that it seems like
the engine
shook pretty hard. I don't see any other signs of "issues" related. The
mounts and bolts seem solid and tight.
Thoughts?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2010
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
I posted this in response on the RV list, it is one way to avoid the
cracking, figured it was worth posting here:
Matt,
I had the same type of cracking on my oil cooler after about 60 hrs. I got
rid of my standard oil cooler and used a setrab 10 row with swivel angle
fittings.
http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_823&action=product
http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_3397&action=product
It comes with straight in AN fittings but I swapped them out with one 90 and
one 45 because that seemed to be the direction that the lines wanted to
enter the cooler. I was able to used the standard lines and just make some
mods to accept the setrab cooler. I also beefed up the bracing around the
cooler with 0.125 angle rather than whatever is standard.
The cooler is about 1/3 the size of standard and so there is much less
weight hanging on the baffles. The firewall solution works fine but I
really didn't want to have the hoses "working" with the vibrations/shaking
of the engine.
550 hrs now and no cracking and my oil temps never get above 200F.
The best part is that I was able to sell the standard oil cooler on ebay for
enough to cover the cost of the new cooler and fittings.
Bill Judge
N84WJ RV-8, 550 hrs
rv-8.blogspot.com
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 19, 2010
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking
Here is a link where you can see what Dick Martin
_http://www.romeolima.com/RV8/Cowl.htm_
(http://www.romeolima.com/RV8/Cowl.htm)
Stan
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Date: Oct 19, 2010
From: Mark Merrell <mark.merrell(at)ymail.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
You really do want your oil temp to get above 212 degrees to boil out the w
ater & condensation that builds up.
-
Mark Merrell
RV-8 Empennage
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Bill Judge wrote:
From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 9:38 AM
I posted this in response on the RV list, it is one way to avoid the cracki
ng, figured it was worth posting here:
Matt,
I had the same type of cracking on my oil cooler after about 60 hrs. -I g
ot rid of my standard oil cooler and used a setrab 10 row with swivel angle
fittings. -
http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_823&action=produ
ct
http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_3397&action=prod
uct
It comes with straight in AN fittings but I swapped them out with one 90 an
d one 45 because that seemed to be the direction that the lines wanted to e
nter the cooler. -I was able to used the standard lines and just make som
e mods to accept the setrab cooler. -I also beefed up the bracing around
the cooler with 0.125 angle rather than whatever is standard.
The cooler is about 1/3 the size of standard and so there is much less weig
ht hanging on the baffles. -The firewall solution works fine but I really
didn't want to have the hoses "working" with the vibrations/shaking of the
engine.
550 hrs now and no cracking and my oil temps never get above 200F.
The best part is that I was able to sell the standard oil cooler on ebay fo
r enough to cover the cost of the new cooler and fittings.
Bill Judge
N84WJ RV-8, 550 hrs
rv-8.blogspot.com
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From: "Glenn Bell" <glennbell(at)cablelynx.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
Date: Oct 19, 2010
The oil temp probe is usually downstream of the cooler and measures the temp
of the oil right before it enters the galleries..thats why we are putting an
additional sensor in one of the sump drains.even then it will be cooler than
the oil leaving the rockers..so.the oil temp gauge doesn't really tell you
the temp of the oil circulating in the engine..i bet the engineers that
designed the coolers have some charts that would enable you to estimate the
inlet oil temp for a given output temp.just some ramblings
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Merrell
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
You really do want your oil temp to get above 212 degrees to boil out the
water & condensation that builds up.
Mark Merrell
RV-8 Empennage
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Bill Judge wrote:
From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 9:38 AM
I posted this in response on the RV list, it is one way to avoid the
cracking, figured it was worth posting here:
Matt,
I had the same type of cracking on my oil cooler after about 60 hrs. I got
rid of my standard oil cooler and used a setrab 10 row with swivel angle
fittings.
<http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_823&action=product>
http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_823&action=product
<http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_3397&action=product>
http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_3397&action=product
It comes with straight in AN fittings but I swapped them out with one 90 and
one 45 because that seemed to be the direction that the lines wanted to
enter the cooler. I was able to used the standard lines and just make some
mods to accept the setrab cooler. I also beefed up the bracing around the
cooler with 0.125 angle rather than whatever is standard.
The cooler is about 1/3 the size of standard and so there is much less
weight hanging on the baffles. The firewall solution works fine but I
really didn't want to have the hoses "working" with the vibrations/shaking
of the engine.
550 hrs now and no cracking and my oil temps never get above 200F.
The best part is that I was able to sell the standard oil cooler on ebay for
enough to cover the cost of the new cooler and fittings.
Bill Judge
N84WJ RV-8, 550 hrs
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From: "FLYBOY.BOB" <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
Date: Oct 19, 2010
That's what I've also believed, but just read in the Lyc 0-360 book that
the desired "oil inlet temp" - is between 180F and 160F depending on
Ambient Air Temp . . . They never mention the 'desirably' to go above
212F?
From: Glenn Bell
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
The oil temp probe is usually downstream of the cooler and measures the
temp of the oil right before it enters the galleries..thats why we are
putting an additional sensor in one of the sump drains.even then it will
be cooler than the oil leaving the rockers..so.the oil temp gauge
doesn't really tell you the temp of the oil circulating in the engine..i
bet the engineers that designed the coolers have some charts that would
enable you to estimate the inlet oil temp for a given output temp.just
some ramblings
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Merrell
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
You really do want your oil temp to get above 212 degrees to boil
out the water & condensation that builds up.
Mark Merrell
RV-8 Empennage
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Bill Judge wrote:
From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 9:38 AM
I posted this in response on the RV list, it is one way to avoid
the cracking, figured it was worth posting here:
Matt,
I had the same type of cracking on my oil cooler after about 60
hrs. I got rid of my standard oil cooler and used a setrab 10 row with
swivel angle fittings.
http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_823&action=pro
duct
http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_3397&action=pr
oduct
It comes with straight in AN fittings but I swapped them out
with one 90 and one 45 because that seemed to be the direction that the
lines wanted to enter the cooler. I was able to used the standard lines
and just make some mods to accept the setrab cooler. I also beefed up
the bracing around the cooler with 0.125 angle rather than whatever is
standard.
The cooler is about 1/3 the size of standard and so there is
much less weight hanging on the baffles. The firewall solution works
fine but I really didn't want to have the hoses "working" with the
vibrations/shaking of the engine.
550 hrs now and no cracking and my oil temps never get above
200F.
The best part is that I was able to sell the standard oil cooler
on ebay for enough to cover the cost of the new cooler and fittings.
Bill Judge
N84WJ RV-8, 550 hrs
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 19, 2010
Subject: RV-8 POH/Flight Manual/Checklist
Okay RV8rs,
I've worked on my Flight Manual and Checklist most of the day today and
I'm still not half way finished. But, I am posting what I have on my web
site for all to see.
My flight manual cover sheet and section one as well as my checklist are
posted in Word format and you can save them to your computer or just view
them using Word. If you need them in another format (other than PDF), let me
know.
I have lots more work to do on the flight manual to include 6 more
sections with photos, charts and diagrams. It will take some time to finish -
but
finish it, I will.
With their permission, I will also post the POHs that others have written
(none are posted yet). I have seen some excellent POHs that will give you
a starting point or ideas on how to proceed. If you use their POHs please
give them credit for their work.
As always, use the documents at your own risk.
To find the documents, go to:
_www.rv-8a.net_ (http://www.rv-8a.net) and scroll to the bottom left
corner where you'll find a link for flight manuals.
On the flight manual page you'll find links to the documents.
I'm open to ideas, changes or questions.
If anyone would like to give permission to post your POH, please send me a
note and I'll get back to you to arrange transfer.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 20, 2010
Subject: Oil temp
if you are worried about getting the water out of your oil then keep in
mind, 212 F is the boiling point of water at sea level, at 10,000 ft it
drops to 196 F, but the real deal, someone already pointed out: elsewhere
in the engine the oil temp exceeds what is on your gauge.
> From: Mark Merrell <mark.merrell(at)ymail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
>
> You really do want your oil temp to get above 212 degrees to boil out the w
> ater & condensation that builds up.
> -
> Mark Merrell
> RV-8 Empennage
>
> --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Bill Judge wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
>
>
> I posted this in response on the RV list, it is one way to avoid the cracki
> ng, figured it was worth posting here:
>
>
> Matt,
> I had the same type of cracking on my oil cooler after about 60 hrs. -I g
> ot rid of my standard oil cooler and used a setrab 10 row with swivel angle
> fittings. -
> http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_823&action=produ
> ct
> http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=276,587_3397&action=prod
> uct
> It comes with straight in AN fittings but I swapped them out with one 90 an
> d one 45 because that seemed to be the direction that the lines wanted to e
> nter the cooler. -I was able to used the standard lines and just make som
> e mods to accept the setrab cooler. -I also beefed up the bracing around
> the cooler with 0.125 angle rather than whatever is standard.
>
>
> The cooler is about 1/3 the size of standard and so there is much less weig
> ht hanging on the baffles. -The firewall solution works fine but I really
> didn't want to have the hoses "working" with the vibrations/shaking of the
> engine.
>
>
> 550 hrs now and no cracking and my oil temps never get above 200F.
>
>
> The best part is that I was able to sell the standard oil cooler on ebay fo
> r enough to cover the cost of the new cooler and fittings.
>
>
> Bill Judge
> N84WJ RV-8, 550 hrs
> rv-8.blogspot.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete Cowper" <petercowper(at)att.net>
Subject: RE: Oil temp
Date: Oct 21, 2010
As long as your engine runs long enough for all the crankcase oil to get a
chance to run by the superheated pistons and rings it will easily exceed the
212F boiling point of any water condensation present in the oil. That is the
reason for always running your car long enough in cold weather to cycle the
oil sufficiently through the engine. The oil temperature gauge is actually
more important to check your engine oil cooling system effectiveness to see
how cool your engine oil returns to after being heated up in the hot spots
of the engine.
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139 (working on fuselage top skins)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Oct 22, 2010
Subject: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
I am to the point where we are mounting the roll bar on our 8A. I wanted to
add two =93Check 6=94 mirrors on the roll bar as I have seen in a couple of
other builds. One build in particular had some nice mildly curved mirrors
that look as if they were made for that spot. Can anyone point me in the
right direction to source these mirrors?
Thanks,
Robin
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Heath Cherneski" <heath.cherneski(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
Date: Oct 23, 2010
Robin,
I found great mirrors at O'Rielly Autoparts. They are convex and work
perfectly.
Heath Cherneski
N818HC 100+ hours and still smiling
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 6:20 PM
Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
I am to the point where we are mounting the roll bar on our 8A. I wanted to
add two "Check 6" mirrors on the roll bar as I have seen in a couple of
other builds. One build in particular had some nice mildly curved mirrors
that look as if they were made for that spot. Can anyone point me in the
right direction to source these mirrors?
Thanks,
Robin
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2010
Subject: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
Heath,
Thanks are these the ones you got?
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/CIP0/49702.oap?keyword=mirror&pt
=N0342&ppt=C0092
[image: CIPA - Wedge Convex]
*From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Heath Cherneski
*Sent:* Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:17 AM
*To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
Robin,
I found great mirrors at O=92Rielly Autoparts. They are convex and work
perfectly.
Heath Cherneski
N818HC 100+ hours and still smiling
------------------------------
*From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
*Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2010 6:20 PM
*To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
I am to the point where we are mounting the roll bar on our 8A. I wanted to
add two =93Check 6=94 mirrors on the roll bar as I have seen in a couple of
other builds. One build in particular had some nice mildly curved mirrors
that look as if they were made for that spot. Can anyone point me in the
right direction to source these mirrors?
Thanks,
Robin
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From: MLWynn(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 23, 2010
Subject: Routing Wires around the Center Spar
Hi all,
I am busy wiring. In looking how to get the wires through and around the
center spar, there are four pre-drilled holes. On the right, the outside
hole is close enough to the right console that they should be pretty easy to
hide/keep out of harm's way. On the inner hole, not so much. On the
left, they exit near the fuel selector and associated plumbing. How has
everyone routed this stuff to keep it out of sight and away from abrasion?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2010
Subject: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
After looking online I went to my local auto parts store and they had been
purchased by O=92Rielly. 3 minutes later I was walking out with what seems
to
be pretty good choices for these mirrors. Thanks Heath!
Robin
*From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Heath Cherneski
*Sent:* Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:17 AM
*To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
Robin,
I found great mirrors at O=92Rielly Autoparts. They are convex and work
perfectly.
Heath Cherneski
N818HC 100+ hours and still smiling
------------------------------
*From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
*Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2010 6:20 PM
*To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
I am to the point where we are mounting the roll bar on our 8A. I wanted to
add two =93Check 6=94 mirrors on the roll bar as I have seen in a couple of
other builds. One build in particular had some nice mildly curved mirrors
that look as if they were made for that spot. Can anyone point me in the
right direction to source these mirrors?
Thanks,
Robin
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From: "Heath Cherneski" <heath.cherneski(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
Date: Oct 23, 2010
Those are the ones. I used the self-adhesive to try them out (position and
angle, etc.) I plan on screwing a flat piece of aluminum to the roll bar
and attaching them with Velcro eventually, but every time I go to the hanger
I find an excuse to fly instead of working on the airplane. I'll try to
post pictures when I actually get final solution.
Cheers
heath
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
Heath,
Thanks are these the ones you got?
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/CIP0/49702.oap?keyword=mirror
<http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/CIP0/49702.oap?keyword=mirror&pt=N
0342&ppt=C0092> &pt=N0342&ppt=C0092
CIPA - Wedge Convex
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Heath Cherneski
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
Robin,
I found great mirrors at O'Rielly Autoparts. They are convex and work
perfectly.
Heath Cherneski
N818HC 100+ hours and still smiling
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 6:20 PM
Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
I am to the point where we are mounting the roll bar on our 8A. I wanted to
add two "Check 6" mirrors on the roll bar as I have seen in a couple of
other builds. One build in particular had some nice mildly curved mirrors
that look as if they were made for that spot. Can anyone point me in the
right direction to source these mirrors?
Thanks,
Robin
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From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2010
Subject: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
I just chromed my roll bar so no screwing things into it for a while. I pla
n
to stick mine on with 3M dual lock and decide if I even want the mirrors on
the plane. I have some extra pieces if you want. (approximately 30,000 extr
a
pieces)
R
*From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Heath Cherneski
*Sent:* Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:56 PM
*To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
Those are the ones. I used the self-adhesive to try them out (position and
angle, etc.) I plan on screwing a flat piece of aluminum to the roll bar
and attaching them with Velcro eventually, but every time I go to the hange
r
I find an excuse to fly instead of working on the airplane. I=92ll try to
post pictures when I actually get final solution.
Cheers
heath
------------------------------
*From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
*Sent:* Saturday, October 23, 2010 11:07 AM
*To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
Heath,
Thanks are these the ones you got?
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/CIP0/49702.oap?keyword=mirror&pt
=N0342&ppt=C0092
[image: CIPA - Wedge Convex]
*From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Heath Cherneski
*Sent:* Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:17 AM
*To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
Robin,
I found great mirrors at O=92Rielly Autoparts. They are convex and work
perfectly.
Heath Cherneski
N818HC 100+ hours and still smiling
------------------------------
*From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
*Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2010 6:20 PM
*To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RV8-List: RV-8 Roll Bar Mirrors
I am to the point where we are mounting the roll bar on our 8A. I wanted to
add two =93Check 6=94 mirrors on the roll bar as I have seen in a couple of
other builds. One build in particular had some nice mildly curved mirrors
that look as if they were made for that spot. Can anyone point me in the
right direction to source these mirrors?
Thanks,
Robin
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Date: Oct 23, 2010
Subject: New Aviation TV Show
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Just came across this TV show on DirecTV. First show featured SNF.
http://www.theaviators.tv/TheAviators.TV_-_Home.html
Darn, now I want to build one of these. Noooooooooooooooo:
http://aircam.com/gallery/
Robin
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2010
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Mount Cracking...
From: Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com>
Chris,
The reason for the recommendation for a call is because the answer would
require a very long and detailed post. Call me. 920 619 6968 (cell).
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Chris Stone wrote:
>
> Dick...
>
> I am about to install an oil cooler on my RV-8. I would be interested in
> your experiences and solutions to the cracking problem.
>
> I am under the impression that this list is for the sharing and
> dissemination of experience and information,. If it is used as message
> board for offline communications then the benefits of this forum are lost.
>
>
> Chris Stone
> RV-8
> Newberg, OR
>
>
> Mat, call me @920 619 6968. I experienced the same problem 2500 hours ago
> when I first flew my RV8 (serial no. 2). I can explain in detail how and
> what to do.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233M
> the fast one
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I took the cowling off the 'ol RV-8 today to have a look around at about
> the 112 TTSN hour mark. Most everything looked okay except for one major
> issue. The outside, lower back mount on the oil cooler is totally cracked
> off. The outside, lower front mount also has a long crack. At this point,
> the upper part of the mount seems alright. Also the inside mounts show no
> signs of cracks. The rear flange on the baffling has a small crack where
> the left rear part rivets to the back baffle that the oil cooler is bolted
> to. No oil leaks of any kind at this point. See attached pictures from my
> Cell Phone.
>
>
> So what the heck? The engine shakes quite a bit on startup and shutdown
> (smooth as glass during normal ops), but this doesn't really seem like
> rotational shake damage. Although, it must be. Obviously I'm going to have
> to remove the oil cooler and have it repaired (that can be done, right?).
> But just "fixing" the mounting flanges isn't going to solve the "problem".
>
>
> What are lister's opinion on what's going on here and what could be done to
> prevent it?
>
> Interestingly, I noted that the #4 grounding cable that is attached to a
> bolt hole right underneath the oil cooler also had the lug sheered off.
> There is "service loop" on the cable, but #4 isn't really flexible so its
> not particular effective. Guess I need more. The point though, is, that it
> seems like the engine shook pretty hard. I don't see any other signs of
> "issues" related. The mounts and bolts seem solid and tight.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
>
> Status: 112+ Hours TTSN!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Oil Cooler Mount Cracks - Replacement Follow Up...
Dear Listers,
First, let me say thanks to everyone that responded to my post regarding the
oil cooler mount cracks. Lots of great feedback; I really appreciate it.
Rather than subject the Oil Cooler's mounts directly to the mounting screw's
tension, I decided to craft some angle brackets that much more evenly
distribute the load over the original mount. I made a set for the front
and back of the rear mount and a single top bracket for the front mount
that would sandwich the Oil Cooler mount to the rear baffle. I very
carefully trimmed the tube spacers to exactly fit between the front and
back brackets; much more precisely than the original installation. The
inside rear Oil Cooler mount got the requisite top and bottom notching to
clear the engine mount and this time I hogged out a bit more to give even
better clearance. (A couple of people noted the scratches on the motor
mount near these original notches; I believe these were from when I was
filing the original oil cooler, I got a little over zealous and scrapped
the power coat; I don't believe that there has been any incounters between
the oil cooler and the mount due to engine shake.) I also added a few more
rivets on the flanges between the rear and left-rear baffle sheet metal
pieces.
To absorb some of the engine vibration, crafted a "gasket" of sorts from the
same rubber material the baffle seals are made of. This really seem to
nicely isolate the Oil Cooler from the baffle/engine.
Finally, I crafted a sweet stabilization strut from aluminum tube stock to
form a brace from the engine to the top of the rear engine baffle. This
made a HUGE difference in the overall stiffness of the oil cooler and I'm
hoping will be the final modification in solving this Oil Cooler cracking
issue.
Thanks again for all the feedback!
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 112+ Hours Total Time Since May 2 2010 Test Flight!
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Oil Cooler Mount Cracks - Replacement Follow Up...
From: Hugh Ragg <hragg(at)me.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2010
Nice work, I am very interested in this as my RV7 is almost complete. I looked
at the oil cooler install and will have a very close look at modifying the installation.
Thanks for the valuable feed back
Regards
Hugh
On 25/10/2010, at 10:55 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> First, let me say thanks to everyone that responded to my post regarding the
oil cooler mount cracks. Lots of great feedback; I really appreciate it.
>
> Rather than subject the Oil Cooler's mounts directly to the mounting screw's
tension, I decided to craft some angle brackets that much more evenly distribute
the load over the original mount. I made a set for the front and back of the
rear mount and a single top bracket for the front mount that would sandwich
the Oil Cooler mount to the rear baffle. I very carefully trimmed the tube spacers
to exactly fit between the front and back brackets; much more precisely
than the original installation. The inside rear Oil Cooler mount got the requisite
top and bottom notching to clear the engine mount and this time I hogged
out a bit more to give even better clearance. (A couple of people noted the
scratches on the motor mount near these original notches; I believe these were
from when I was filing the original oil cooler, I got a little over zealous
and scrapped the power coat; I don't believe that there has been any incounters
between the oil cooler and the mount due to engine shake.) I also added a few
more rivets on the flanges between the rear and left-rear baffle sheet metal
pieces.
>
> To absorb some of the engine vibration, crafted a "gasket" of sorts from the
same rubber material the baffle seals are made of. This really seem to nicely
isolate the Oil Cooler from the baffle/engine.
>
> Finally, I crafted a sweet stabilization strut from aluminum tube stock to form
a brace from the engine to the top of the rear engine baffle. This made a
HUGE difference in the overall stiffness of the oil cooler and I'm hoping will
be the final modification in solving this Oil Cooler cracking issue.
>
> Thanks again for all the feedback!
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 112+ Hours Total Time Since May 2 2010 Test Flight!
> <2010.10.17 - RV-8 - IO-390 Oil Cooler Mount Cracking (1).jpg><2010.10.17 - RV-8
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gordon or Marge" <gcomfo(at)tc3net.com>
Subject: Oil Cooler Mount Cracks - Replacement Follow Up...
Date: Oct 25, 2010
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 8:56 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Oil Cooler Mount Cracks - Replacement Follow Up...
Matt: One more thing you might think about. Shorten the spacer tubes
between the flanges to permit an AN washer between the tube ends and the
insides of the flanges. The cooler flanges are pretty soft and the
relatively small contact area of the tube ends may allow the bolt tension to
be lost as the flanges subside under the pressure and vibration.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Alan Searle <alan(at)airweigh.com.au>
Subject: RV8 Rudder Pedal Deficiency
Date: Oct 27, 2010
In the past there have been quite a few postings about landing the RV8
and controllability. Since completing my "8" I have had difficulty
controlling the landing roll on three occasions which, each time
resulted in a ground loop. On each occasion the excursion was to the
right (strong Xwind from the right) but I expect that is a
co-incidence. The ground loop was through approx 270 degrees and
quite stable with both wheels on the ground without a wing drop but
nothing that I did would bring it back under control. Now I am not
unused to tailwheel flying having learned to fly in Tiger Moths and
flown many TW types through the years (still current on DC3s.)
I am not able to tell you what the Xwind component was except that each
time it would have been over 15 kts or so, on 2 of the occasions
probably 20 kts.
Investigating began with wheel alignment check and that seemed OK and I
was inclined to blame the tail wheel (Vans) and the breakout when lots
of rudder is applied. Then the investigation progressed to the rudder
pedals and I found the problem.
My aircraft is fitted with Vans adjustable rudder pedals. Some time ago
a large person had tried the seating to see if there was enough room for
himself should he build one. He had adjusted the pedals to the most
forward position and they were never put back to the original setting.
When maximum rudder movement is applied, the pedal is pushed to the
firewall ,thereby prohibiting full rudder or brake application ( see
the photo below). I have found that in order to achieve the required
movement of both, the pedals must be no further forward than
the third last hole of the adjustment bar. (photo )
For What it is worth... hoping someone will benefit from this post.
Alan Searle 81280 180 hours.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV8 Rudder Pedal Deficiency
How many washers do you have under the I-Bolts that attach to the rudder cables
and go through the firewall? I have the maximum number with the I-Bolts all
the way against the firewall on the cockpit side. This adjusts the angle of the
peddle and will give you more or less throw. I have my peddles set to the
max-tall-guy setting (closest to the FW), and have never had a problem with getting
enough throw on roll out. I recently landed with a 22 knot 90 degree cross
wind without too much problem. I find that making wheel landings makes X-wind
landings a lot less scary.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 111+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops...
At 06:53 PM 10/26/2010 Tuesday, you wrote:
>In the past there have been quite a few postings about landing the RV8 and controllability.
Since completing my "8" I have had difficulty controlling the landing
roll on three occasions which, each time resulted in a ground loop. On
each occasion the excursion was to the right (strong Xwind from the right) but
I expect that is a co-incidence. The ground loop was through approx 270
degrees and quite stable with both wheels on the ground without a wing drop but
nothing that I did would bring it back under control. Now I am not unused
to tailwheel flying having learned to fly in Tiger Moths and flown many TW types
through the years (still current on DC3s.)
>
>I am not able to tell you what the Xwind component was except that each time it
would have been over 15 kts or so, on 2 of the occasions probably 20 kts.
>
>Investigating began with wheel alignment check and that seemed OK and I was inclined
to blame the tail wheel (Vans) and the breakout when lots of rudder is
applied. Then the investigation progressed to the rudder pedals and I found the
problem.
>
>My aircraft is fitted with Vans adjustable rudder pedals. Some time ago a large
person had tried the seating to see if there was enough room for himself should
he build one. He had adjusted the pedals to the most forward position and
they were never put back to the original setting. When maximum rudder movement
is applied, the pedal is pushed to the firewall ,thereby prohibiting full rudder
or brake application ( see the photo below). I have found that in order
to achieve the required movement of both, the pedals must be no further forward
than
> the third last hole of the adjustment bar. (photo )
>
>
>For What it is worth... hoping someone will benefit from this post.
>
>Alan Searle 81280 180 hours.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andrew M Morgan" <amorgan53(at)charter.net>
Subject: RV8 Rudder Pedal Deficiency
Date: Oct 27, 2010
Thanks Alan. Being a large guy myself, something to keep in mind.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Searle
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:54 PM
Subject: RV8-List: RV8 Rudder Pedal Deficiency
In the past there have been quite a few postings about landing the RV8 and
controllability. Since completing my "8" I have had difficulty controlling
the landing roll on three occasions which, each time resulted in a ground
loop. On each occasion the excursion was to the right (strong Xwind from
the right) but I expect that is a co-incidence. The ground loop was
through approx 270 degrees and quite stable with both wheels on the ground
without a wing drop but nothing that I did would bring it back under
control. Now I am not unused to tailwheel flying having learned to fly in
Tiger Moths and flown many TW types through the years (still current on
DC3s.)
I am not able to tell you what the Xwind component was except that each time
it would have been over 15 kts or so, on 2 of the occasions probably 20 kts.
Investigating began with wheel alignment check and that seemed OK and I was
inclined to blame the tail wheel (Vans) and the breakout when lots of rudder
is applied. Then the investigation progressed to the rudder pedals and I
found the problem.
My aircraft is fitted with Vans adjustable rudder pedals. Some time ago a
large person had tried the seating to see if there was enough room for
himself should he build one. He had adjusted the pedals to the most forward
position and they were never put back to the original setting. When maximum
rudder movement is applied, the pedal is pushed to the firewall ,thereby
prohibiting full rudder or brake application ( see the photo below). I
have found that in order to achieve the required movement of both, the
pedals must be no further forward than
the third last hole of the adjustment bar. (photo )
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 27, 2010
Subject: Re: RV8 Rudder Pedal Deficiency
Alan,
I've discovered the same problem on my aircraft, but mine is an A so the
drama is not as traumatic.
I also limit myself to the third from last adjustment hole. I installed a
1/4" push button locking pin in place of Van's pull-to-adjust system.
That way changing the adjustment requires a bit more effort and it is not
likely to be reset from my ideal location. It can be changed in flight, but
only with difficulty.
I've also encountered situations where, with full rudder displacement, my
shoe got wedged between the pedal and the floor or sidewall. It took a lot
of attention and a lot of force to unwedge the shoe. Not too much problem
during taxi, but if it happened during landing, things could get exciting
during the second or two required for unjamming.
Stan Sutterfield
In the past there have been quite a few postings about landing the RV8
and controllability. Since completing my "8" I have had difficulty
controlling the landing roll on three occasions which, each time
resulted in a ground loop. On each occasion the excursion was to the
right (strong Xwind from the right) but I expect that is a
co-incidence. The ground loop was through approx 270 degrees and
quite stable with both wheels on the ground without a wing drop but
nothing that I did would bring it back under control. Now I am not
unused to tailwheel flying having learned to fly in Tiger Moths and
flown many TW types through the years (still current on DC3s.)
I am not able to tell you what the Xwind component was except that each
time it would have been over 15 kts or so, on 2 of the occasions
probably 20 kts.
Investigating began with wheel alignment check and that seemed OK and I
was inclined to blame the tail wheel (Vans) and the breakout when lots
of rudder is applied. Then the investigation progressed to the rudder
pedals and I found the problem.
My aircraft is fitted with Vans adjustable rudder pedals. Some time ago
a large person had tried the seating to see if there was enough room for
himself should he build one. He had adjusted the pedals to the most
forward position and they were never put back to the original setting.
When maximum rudder movement is applied, the pedal is pushed to the
firewall ,thereby prohibiting full rudder or brake application ( see
the photo below). I have found that in order to achieve the required
movement of both, the pedals must be no further forward than
the third last hole of the adjustment bar. (photo )
For What it is worth... hoping someone will benefit from this post.
Alan Searle 81280 180 hours.
How many washers do you have under the I-Bolts that attach to the rudder
cables
and go through the firewall? I have the maximum number with the I-Bolts
all
the way against the firewall on the cockpit side. This adjusts the angle
of the
peddle and will give you more or less throw. I have my peddles set to the
max-tall-guy setting (closest to the FW), and have never had a problem
with getting
enough throw on roll out. I recently landed with a 22 knot 90 degree cross
wind without too much problem. I find that making wheel landings makes
X-wind
landings a lot less scary.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 28, 2010
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Volunteer my time to help you build your RV
I have time to help someone on their Project. I have completed the building of
my RV-8A empennage (Acid Etched, Alodined and Mil Epoxy Primered the interior
skins and assembled all parts) and have run out of room to continue building.
I
am a retired electrical engineer and have designed my own Electrical System,
Instr Panel, etc. Have tools to help you, if needed. Hoping to work with
somebody to help them finish their "Project". I have the "itch" to continue
building, but no room to proceed. (This is NOT spam !!)
Garey Wittich (CFI, MEI)
Santa Monica, CA
(310) 392-1682
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
Hello Listers,
After the very first flight on the RV-8, I discovered that the fiberglass skirts
around the canopy loved to buzz against the turtle deck skin at anything over
about 100mph. To soften the intersection between the skirt and the skin I added
a row of Velcro-brand "loops" tape all the way around the base of the canopy
skirt on the inside including around the bottom of the windscreen so that
when the canopy was closed any skin to skirt areas were cushioned with a thickness
of the Velcro.
That worked great and totally eliminated the buzzing and also sealed up the cabin
nicely. I was pleased.
But, after a Summer in California and 112 hours of flying, the Velcro just didn't
hold up. In the Summer sun, the glue became gooey and the tape slipped out
of position along the curve behind the passenger and looked like grandma's slip
was showing. Along the extreme rear where the skirts come together and the
fit is pretty tight, the glue squeezed out from the heat and kind of goo-ed all
around on the metal.
So, I removed the skirts a couple of weekends ago and literally spend a whole weekend
removing the Velcro and all of the glue. I was lucky and the in the process
I didn't remove any of the textured paint on the skirts or windscreen frame
- whew, that was a scary two days.
This weekend I finally got to take her out for a flight after the oil cooler replacement
(all went fine, btw) and try out the new "tape-less" installation.
Holy COW!! It was SOOOOOO noisy! At 200mph I took the headphones off and couldn't
believe the DB level. I really couldn't stand the noise level with the headphone
ON, and without then it just plain hurt. I slowed down to about 150mph
and the noise decreased slightly, but not that much. I slowed down to a stall
and finally the buzzing stopped, but as soon as I pushed the nose over and
speeded up a little it started again.
Obviously I'm going to have to put something like the Velco back on the inside
of the canopy frame. But what? I'm guessing that all RV-8's must have this issue.
I surprised there isn't something in the plans to deal with it. Is there
some magic tape/insulator that people are using for this that will hold up
in the heat of the Summer sun?
Thanks in advance!
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 112+ Hours Total Time Since May 2 2010 Test Flight!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 31, 2010
Subject: Re: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
Matt,
I haven't had that problem.
Stan Sutterfield
I'm guessing that all RV-8's must have this issue.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
At 09:45 AM 10/31/2010 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>I haven't had that problem.
>Stan Sutterfield
>I'm guessing that all RV-8's must have this issue.
>
Stan,
Wow, really? Do you have anything between the fiberglass skirt and the top of
the turtledeck? Foam, velcro, etc?
Do you have a perfectly tight fit all the way around? I've got a little pooch
on both sides kind of at the center of the concave, roundy part.
One thing I forgot to mention in my original post was that I tried unlatching the
canopy to see what impact it would have. The buzz got even louder.
Another thing I tried was adjusting the Prop RPM. There was definately a relationship
between the buzz and the RPM, not related to speed of the aircraft. A
harmonic of sorts.
Another odd behavior was that when I was climbing out, I didn't hear it at all.
It wasn't until I pushed the nose over and started picking up speed that it
started.
Matt
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 111+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops...
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vince Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com>
Subject: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
Date: Oct 31, 2010
I use the more expensive p-channel door seal from Home Depot, meaning it is
not. Trick is, I heat the tape glue with a heat gun before applying it. Same
for Velco. Stuff doesn't budge.
You could use the 1/4 inch sound damping foam (sandwich of foil, foam, glue)
from ACS on the underside of the turtle deck to stiffen up it up. Come to
think of it, this may be just that, a turtle deck problem rather than a
canopy skirt problem.
My skirt doesn't buzz either. But then, I used super sound proofing and the
above mentioned foam wherever I suspected 'oil canning' might be a problem.
Regards,
Vince H.
Washington State
RV8 69.5 hours & still stalling on the wheel pants, fairings, and paint.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: October 30, 2010 6:12 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
Hello Listers,
After the very first flight on the RV-8, I discovered that the fiberglass
skirts around the canopy loved to buzz against the turtle deck skin at
anything over about 100mph. To soften the intersection between the skirt
and the skin I added a row of Velcro-brand "loops" tape all the way around
the base of the canopy skirt on the inside including around the bottom of
the windscreen so that when the canopy was closed any skin to skirt areas
were cushioned with a thickness of the Velcro.
That worked great and totally eliminated the buzzing and also sealed up the
cabin nicely. I was pleased.
But, after a Summer in California and 112 hours of flying, the Velcro just
didn't hold up. In the Summer sun, the glue became gooey and the tape
slipped out of position along the curve behind the passenger and looked like
grandma's slip was showing. Along the extreme rear where the skirts come
together and the fit is pretty tight, the glue squeezed out from the heat
and kind of goo-ed all around on the metal.
So, I removed the skirts a couple of weekends ago and literally spend a
whole weekend removing the Velcro and all of the glue. I was lucky and the
in the process I didn't remove any of the textured paint on the skirts or
windscreen frame - whew, that was a scary two days.
This weekend I finally got to take her out for a flight after the oil cooler
replacement (all went fine, btw) and try out the new "tape-less"
installation.
Holy COW!! It was SOOOOOO noisy! At 200mph I took the headphones off and
couldn't believe the DB level. I really couldn't stand the noise level with
the headphone ON, and without then it just plain hurt. I slowed down to
about 150mph and the noise decreased slightly, but not that much. I slowed
down to a stall and finally the buzzing stopped, but as soon as I pushed the
nose over and speeded up a little it started again.
Obviously I'm going to have to put something like the Velco back on the
inside of the canopy frame. But what? I'm guessing that all RV-8's must
have this issue. I surprised there isn't something in the plans to deal
with it. Is there some magic tape/insulator that people are using for this
that will hold up in the heat of the Summer sun?
Thanks in advance!
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 112+ Hours Total Time Since May 2 2010 Test Flight!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <av8er2fly(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
Date: Oct 31, 2010
I used some 1/4 inch weatherstriping semmed to seal just fine. Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Re: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
>
> At 09:45 AM 10/31/2010 Sunday, you wrote:
>>
>>Matt,
>>I haven't had that problem.
>>Stan Sutterfield
>>I'm guessing that all RV-8's must have this issue.
>>
>
> Stan,
>
> Wow, really? Do you have anything between the fiberglass skirt and the
> top of the turtledeck? Foam, velcro, etc?
>
> Do you have a perfectly tight fit all the way around? I've got a little
> pooch on both sides kind of at the center of the concave, roundy part.
>
> One thing I forgot to mention in my original post was that I tried
> unlatching the canopy to see what impact it would have. The buzz got even
> louder.
>
> Another thing I tried was adjusting the Prop RPM. There was definately a
> relationship between the buzz and the RPM, not related to speed of the
> aircraft. A harmonic of sorts.
>
> Another odd behavior was that when I was climbing out, I didn't hear it at
> all. It wasn't until I pushed the nose over and started picking up speed
> that it started.
>
> Matt
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 111+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops...
>
>
>
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From: "Stephan Servatius" <romeo.victor@t-online.de>
Subject: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
Date: Nov 01, 2010
Use felt, it doesn't hurt the painting and slips over the surface.
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Vince Himsl
Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Oktober 2010 19:43
An: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Betreff: RE: RV8-List: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
I use the more expensive p-channel door seal from Home Depot, meaning it is
not. Trick is, I heat the tape glue with a heat gun before applying it. Same
for Velco. Stuff doesn't budge.
You could use the 1/4 inch sound damping foam (sandwich of foil, foam, glue)
from ACS on the underside of the turtle deck to stiffen up it up. Come to
think of it, this may be just that, a turtle deck problem rather than a
canopy skirt problem.
My skirt doesn't buzz either. But then, I used super sound proofing and the
above mentioned foam wherever I suspected 'oil canning' might be a problem.
Regards,
Vince H.
Washington State
RV8 69.5 hours & still stalling on the wheel pants, fairings, and paint.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: October 30, 2010 6:12 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
Hello Listers,
After the very first flight on the RV-8, I discovered that the fiberglass
skirts around the canopy loved to buzz against the turtle deck skin at
anything over about 100mph. To soften the intersection between the skirt
and the skin I added a row of Velcro-brand "loops" tape all the way around
the base of the canopy skirt on the inside including around the bottom of
the windscreen so that when the canopy was closed any skin to skirt areas
were cushioned with a thickness of the Velcro.
That worked great and totally eliminated the buzzing and also sealed up the
cabin nicely. I was pleased.
But, after a Summer in California and 112 hours of flying, the Velcro just
didn't hold up. In the Summer sun, the glue became gooey and the tape
slipped out of position along the curve behind the passenger and looked like
grandma's slip was showing. Along the extreme rear where the skirts come
together and the fit is pretty tight, the glue squeezed out from the heat
and kind of goo-ed all around on the metal.
So, I removed the skirts a couple of weekends ago and literally spend a
whole weekend removing the Velcro and all of the glue. I was lucky and the
in the process I didn't remove any of the textured paint on the skirts or
windscreen frame - whew, that was a scary two days.
This weekend I finally got to take her out for a flight after the oil cooler
replacement (all went fine, btw) and try out the new "tape-less"
installation.
Holy COW!! It was SOOOOOO noisy! At 200mph I took the headphones off and
couldn't believe the DB level. I really couldn't stand the noise level with
the headphone ON, and without then it just plain hurt. I slowed down to
about 150mph and the noise decreased slightly, but not that much. I slowed
down to a stall and finally the buzzing stopped, but as soon as I pushed the
nose over and speeded up a little it started again.
Obviously I'm going to have to put something like the Velco back on the
inside of the canopy frame. But what? I'm guessing that all RV-8's must
have this issue. I surprised there isn't something in the plans to deal
with it. Is there some magic tape/insulator that people are using for this
that will hold up in the heat of the Summer sun?
Thanks in advance!
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 112+ Hours Total Time Since May 2 2010 Test Flight!
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2010
Subject: Transition Training
From: Bob Christensen <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
I've about got my RV-8 ready for final assembly and the insurance companies
are asking of several hours of dual "in type". I don't think there is
anyone giving dual in a RV-8 . . . but maybe a 6 or 7 w/ constant speed prop
will do?
Does anyone know of someone offering RV transition training in the mid-west?
or is Alex in Texas the closest?
Thanks,
--
Bob Christensen - N83RC
flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com
Home 319-392-4929
Cell 319-457-0559
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 02, 2010
Subject: Re: Canopy Skirt Buzz...
Matt,
I have nothing between the skirt and the fuselage anywhere along the
skirt. I do have a nice fit all around, but part of the difference may be in
the way I modified my skirt. I didn't like the appearance of the standard
skirt where it has an upward cutout area just aft of the rear seat. I
suppose the idea was to have a better fit over the fuselage contour. But it is
fiberglass, so I decided to fill in that area and continue the line from the
bottom of the skirt smoothly up to join the curve at the rear of the
skirt. It produced a better appearance to the skirt and MAY have inadvertently
solved the problem you're describing.
You can see the glass work at _http://www.rv-8a.net/2009Feb.htm_
(http://www.rv-8a.net/2009Feb.htm) and the finished skirt at
_http://www.rv-8a.net/2009Mar.htm_ (http://www.rv-8a.net/2009Mar.htm) .
The only problem I've encountered with the skirt so far is that the
slipsteam bows it out on each side at the rear cockpit. Then when flying in
rain, the water is drawn up through the bowed spot and into the cockpit. I
think I can solve that problem by adding a "strake" or stiffener on the
outside of the skirt to force it to retain its shape.
I also added a "hat shelf" to the aft end of my canopy with the intention
of stopping the cold air that others had reported blowing on the passengers
neck. I had planned to use a "V" shaped seal on the bottom of the hat
shelf to stop the draft. But, most of the draft has already been stopped by
the hat shelf, so I still have not added the seal. My hat shelf is shown at
_http://www.rv-8a.net/2009Jan.htm_ (http://www.rv-8a.net/2009Jan.htm) .
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
At 09:45 AM 10/31/2010 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>I haven't had that problem.
>Stan Sutterfield
>I'm guessing that all RV-8's must have this issue.
>
Stan,
Wow, really? Do you have anything between the fiberglass skirt and the
top of
the turtledeck? Foam, velcro, etc?
Do you have a perfectly tight fit all the way around? I've got a little
pooch
on both sides kind of at the center of the concave, roundy part.
One thing I forgot to mention in my original post was that I tried
unlatching the
canopy to see what impact it would have. The buzz got even louder.
Another thing I tried was adjusting the Prop RPM. There was definately a
relationship
between the buzz and the RPM, not related to speed of the aircraft. A
harmonic of sorts.
Another odd behavior was that when I was climbing out, I didn't hear it at
all.
It wasn't until I pushed the nose over and started picking up speed that
it
started.
Matt
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Transition Training
Date: Nov 02, 2010
From: "BPA" <BPA(at)bpaengines.com>
You might be able to get Bill Gill in Lee's Summit MO to do some dual
with you. Bill has a RV-7. Contact information available on request.
Allen Barrett
BPE, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Transition Training
I've about got my RV-8 ready for final assembly and the insurance
companies are asking of several hours of dual "in type". I don't think
there is anyone giving dual in a RV-8 . . . but maybe a 6 or 7 w/
constant speed prop will do?
Does anyone know of someone offering RV transition training in the
mid-west? or is Alex in Texas the closest?
Thanks,
--
Bob Christensen - N83RC
flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com
Home 319-392-4929
Cell 319-457-0559
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Transition Training
At 08:46 AM 11/2/2010 Tuesday, you wrote:
>I've about got my RV-8 ready for final assembly and the insurance companies are
asking of several hours of dual "in type". I don't think there is anyone giving
dual in a RV-8 . . . but maybe a 6 or 7 w/ constant speed prop will do?
>
>Does anyone know of someone offering RV transition training in the mid-west?
or is Alex in Texas the closest?
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Bob Christensen - N83RC
Bob,
I would highly recommend Mike Seager in Vernonia Oregon. I flew with Mike in the
Spring of 2010, the week just before I test flew my RV-8. The experience was
excellent; Easily the best time and money I've spent on the RV-8 project bar
none.
Matt
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 114+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops...
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Chris Johnston <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>
Date: Nov 02, 2010
Subject: Transition Training
My insurance company accepted dual in the RV-7 for my required dual "in type".
I went to oregon and flew with Mike Seager which was amazing. His RV-7 has a
FP prop though, and even though my 8 has CS, that wasn't a big deal for me.
We actually flew a bit in a CS RV-6A to get familiar with the prop (and it was
fun to fly a nosedragger RV!) and the biggest difference is that you can slow
down more quickly, but that was about it. I know you're looking for mid-west,
but if you find yourself in Oregon, you won't find better training. Heck of
a nice guy as well.
cj
________________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Christensen [flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Transition Training
I've about got my RV-8 ready for final assembly and the insurance companies are
asking of several hours of dual "in type". I don't think there is anyone giving
dual in a RV-8 . . . but maybe a 6 or 7 w/ constant speed prop will do?
Does anyone know of someone offering RV transition training in the mid-west? or
is Alex in Texas the closest?
Thanks,
--
Bob Christensen - N83RC
flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com
Home 319-392-4929
Cell 319-457-0559
________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Nov 17, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's My Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List
services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really
said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places
on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR
CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Nov 19, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few Days Left; Well Behind Last Year...
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser. Response
has been good so far, but we're well behind last year at this point. If you've
been waiting until the last minute to make your Contribution, now might be good
time to show your support and maybe pick up a nice gift as well!
Please remember that there is no commercial advertising on these Lists and the
*only* means of keeping them running is through your Contributions during this
Fund Raiser. If it weren't for your individual Contributions, these Lists could
easily become economically infeasible and simply cease to exist.
You probably can't even take the family out to dinner for $20 these days, but your
individual Contribution of the same amount makes a huge difference in keeping
the List services alive.
Please make a Contribution today with a Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in
December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have
helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Test Flight Video - Part 1 - Takeoff...
After 23 months and 2400 hours of building, RV-8 N998RV took to the air for the
very first time on May 3 2010. As one would hope with any test flight, it was
uneventful and a pleasure to fly. This Part I of my RV-8 Test Flight documents
the startup, taxi out, take off, and the first circuit around the airport.
The trip to Oregon the week before to fly with Mike Seager was the best money I
spent on the project. During the video, listen for the tower calling out "Eight
Romeo Victor" which is the call sign for my aircraft - N998RV. The audio mix
is from the cockpit including the music, tower, and my various comments during
the flight.
As of November 20 2010, I have about 124 hours total time on the RV-8. It just
gets more and more fun to fly! The Lycoming IO-390 and Constant Speed Prop are
a sweet combination on the RV-8! The triple Grand Rapids HX EFIS installation
along with the Vertical Power VP-200 electrical system and TruTrak two-axis Autopilot
have also performed flawlessly. I highly recommend these fine products.
Finally, if you've been debating on whether to install an entertainment system
in your project, don't hesitate! The PS Engineering 3000 Stereo intercom,
Kenwood DNX8150, and the Bose X headsets are an incredibly sweet combination
that make those long cross countries just fly by! Passengers love having the
secondary LCD screen in the pilot's headrest and high-fidelity entertainment as
well. The Kenwood's Garmin GPS Map display is also a big hit with the passengers
as they can follow along in standard "car-style" navigation context.
Be sure to check out Part II of this video which documents slow flight testing
and landing configuration testing, a couple more circuits around the airport,
landing, taxi back, and returning to the hangar.
This Video is in full 1080p HDTV, so be sure to select a viewing resolution that
works with your computer and is higher than the standard 360p default. At least
the 760p mode, for example. And don't forget to try full-screen mode for the
most impact!
http://www.youtube.com/user/MattsRV8#p/u/0/06MBqaaXFwQ
Enjoy,
Matt
PS - Yeah, I know it took a few months to get this video out. I've been flying
the RV-8 so much, I didn't have time to edit! :-)
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 124+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops...
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Test Flight Video - Part 2 - Landing...
This Part II of my RV-8 Test Flight documents slow flight testing and landing configuration
testing, a couple more circuits around the airport, landing, taxi
back, and returning to the hangar.
Note that on the taxi back, the windsock is almost a direct crosswind at about
10 knots as I recall. Makes me even more proud of that first landing, and the
fact that I put it right down on the numbers!
Be sure to check out Part I of this video which documents the startup, taxi out,
take off, and first circuit around the field.
This Video is in full 1080p HDTV, so be sure to select a viewing resolution that
works with your computer and is higher than the standard 360p default. At least
the 760p mode, for example. And don't forget to try full-screen mode for
the most impact!
http://www.youtube.com/user/MattsRV8#p/u/1/2b4C8fb-XAc
Enjoy,
Matt
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 124+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops...
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Test Flight Video - Part 1 - Takeoff...
From: "William L. Paulin" <wpaulin(at)usa.net>
Date: Nov 21, 2010
Is there anything you don't do Matt? Amazing airplane, amazing first flight, amazing
videos.
Thanks,
Bill
On Nov 21, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
After 23 months and 2400 hours of building, RV-8 N998RV took to the air for the
very first time on May 3 2010. As one would hope with any test flight, it was
uneventful and a pleasure to fly. This Part I of my RV-8 Test Flight documents
the startup, taxi out, take off, and the first circuit around the airport.
The trip to Oregon the week before to fly with Mike Seager was the best money I
spent on the project. During the video, listen for the tower calling out "Eight
Romeo Victor" which is the call sign for my aircraft - N998RV. The audio mix
is from the cockpit including the music, tower, and my various comments during
the flight.
As of November 20 2010, I have about 124 hours total time on the RV-8. It just
gets more and more fun to fly! The Lycoming IO-390 and Constant Speed Prop are
a sweet combination on the RV-8! The triple Grand Rapids HX EFIS installation
along with the Vertical Power VP-200 electrical system and TruTrak two-axis Autopilot
have also performed flawlessly. I highly recommend these fine products.
Finally, if you've been debating on whether to install an entertainment system
in your project, don't hesitate! The PS Engineering 3000 Stereo intercom,
Kenwood DNX8150, and the Bose X headsets are an incredibly sweet combination
that make those long cross countries just fly by! Passengers love having the
secondary LCD screen in the pilot's headrest and high-fidelity entertainment as
well. The Kenwood's Garmin GPS Map display is also a big hit with the passengers
as they can follow along in standard "car-style" navigation context.
Be sure to check out Part II of this video which documents slow flight testing
and landing configuration testing, a couple more circuits around the airport,
landing, taxi back, and returning to the hangar.
This Video is in full 1080p HDTV, so be sure to select a viewing resolution that
works with your computer and is higher than the standard 360p default. At least
the 760p mode, for example. And don't forget to try full-screen mode for the
most impact!
http://www.youtube.com/user/MattsRV8#p/u/0/06MBqaaXFwQ
Enjoy,
Matt
PS - Yeah, I know it took a few months to get this video out. I've been flying
the RV-8 so much, I didn't have time to edit! :-)
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 124+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops...
<2010.05.03 - RV-8 - Test Flight Video - Part 1 - Takeoff.jpg>
**********************************
William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Contributions Down By 17%...
Dear Listers,
As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by roughly 17%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to
keep the expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and
the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter
of hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I
ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a
modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Test Flight Video - Part 2 - Landing...
The video in the cockpit and on the ground was shot with Sony HDR-CX550v HD camcorders ( www.sonystyle.com/product/en/hdrcx550v ). The audio was captured with the camcorder using its Audio Line Level input plugged into the "rear passenger 1 headphone output" (not the co-pilot output which is connected to the RV-8's rear passenger headphones) from the PS Engineering 3000 intercom though a homemade impedance matching circuit. The PS3000 mixes the Comm/Intercom/Music nicely and Music audio pull-down during Comm/Intercom is being done by a combination of the PS3000 and the auto-gain control on the camcorder. I installed a 1/8" stereo jack in the backseat area on the right side (see attached pictures). If I were going to do it again I would definitely go with a pair of RCA-style line-level bulkhead jacks instead of the 1/8" stereo jack. I've had some trouble with the right-channel cutting in and out because of the jack/vibration. RCA's would hold much tighter.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 124+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops...
At 07:09 AM 11/22/2010 Monday, you wrote:
>Matt, what kind of a recorder are you using to capture the audio?
>Thanks for feedback.
>Dick Seiders
>
>On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:
>
>This Part II of my RV-8 Test Flight documents slow flight testing and landing
configuration testing, a couple more circuits around the airport, landing, taxi
back, and returning to the hangar.
>
>Note that on the taxi back, the windsock is almost a direct crosswind at about
10 knots as I recall. Makes me even more proud of that first landing, and the
fact that I put it right down on the numbers!
>
>Be sure to check out Part I of this video which documents the startup, taxi out,
take off, and first circuit around the field.
>
>This Video is in full 1080p HDTV, so be sure to select a viewing resolution that
works with your computer and is higher than the standard 360p default. At
least the 760p mode, for example. And don't forget to try full-screen mode for
the most impact!
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/user/MattsRV8#p/u/1/2b4C8fb-XAc>http://www.youtube.com/user/MattsRV8#p/u/1/2b4C8fb-XAc
>
>Enjoy,
>
>Matt
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2010
From: Brian Huffaker <bifft(at)xmission.com>
Subject: Re: Test Flight Video - Part 2 - Landing...
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> The video in the cockpit and on the ground was shot with Sony
>HDR-CX550v HD camcorders ( www.sonystyle.com/product/en/hdrcx550v ). The
>audio was captured with the camcorder using its Audio Line Level input
>plugged into the "rear passenger 1 headphone output" (not the co-pilot
>output which is connected to the RV-8's rear passenger headphones) from
>the PS Engineering 3000 intercom though a homemade impedance matching
>circuit. The PS3000 mixes the Comm/Intercom/Music nicely and Music audio
Can you give some hints as to how to make the impedance matching
circuit? I'm planning on setting up something similar in my-8, maybe also
in the Starduster.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 mounting flaps
1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Test Flight Video - Part 2 - Landing...
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Date: Nov 23, 2010
I'll do you one better. Give me a few days and I will draw up a schematic and
get some pictures of the circuit and installation.
Matt
--------
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320696#320696
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2010
From: Brian Huffaker <bifft(at)xmission.com>
Subject: Re: Test Flight Video - Part 2 - Landing...
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> I'll do you one better. Give me a few days and I will draw up a
>schematic and get some pictures of the circuit and installation.
Thanks a lot. I don't have the electronics chops to design something
like that myself.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 mounting flaps.
1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution...
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal, or a personal check:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2010
From: <t6pilot(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Contributions Down By 17%...
Please remove me from your e-mails.
---- Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by roughly 17%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members
to keep the expenses paid.
>
> I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space.
I also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and
the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a
matter of hours.
>
> All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount
of my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and
I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make
a modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services.
>
> If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some
incentive gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite,
you can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for
the continuation of these services:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>
> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
> USA
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Are You Thankful For...?
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...
Dear Listers,
Curiously, even though the number of List subscriptions are significantly up this
year, support during this year's Fund Raiser is still substantially behind
last year. There are only a couple more days left in November and the end of
the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.
I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members
have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser
cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of income
might be required including some sort of advertising. Please don't let that
happen! Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping
the operation a float.
Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in
December.
The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments...
Dear Listers,
There are just three days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. Won't you take
a monment and make a quick Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
and operation of these Forum services.
I've received some more really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions, and I've share a few below.
There are some sweet gifts available this year, so browse the selections and pickup
a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Marten V.
Thanks for maintaining these essential lists!
Rumen D.
Great Service!
Douglas D.
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Peter T.
Thanks for your enduring support of homebuilding communications!
Daniel M.
You do a great job and provide a valuable service.
Mark B.
It's really a great source I have used a lot.
Robert K.
Reading the RV-10 list is part of my morning routine...
Perry C.
Great job running these lists.
Edward T.
Thanks for doing a tough job.
Mic T.
Your List was such a great resource for me when I built in "98".
Ron V.
Its a very useful forum.
Dave F.
Really enjoy your list...
William D.
Great service,
Gerald T.
The list still is a valuable source of information and there
are many worthwhile postings.
Graham H.
The list has seen me through an RV-9A, RV-10, and now an RV-12.
Albert G.
Thanks for a great resource!
Barry H.
Thank you for maintaining this excellent site.
Bill W.
The Matronics Email list are an invaluable service.
William C.
I appreciate the RV-10 list.
Vijay P.
Thanks for a great list and all of the work you do.
Ian W.
Thanks for keeping up this very useful list.
George R.
The list is excellent and I find it very handy for any problems
I come up against during construction.
Greg W.
The lists are an important part of my day. I've met lots of people
and made lots of friends.
Dave S.
It's really a great source I haved used a lot.
Robert K.
I read the Pietenpol List everyday.
PF B.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner with just two more days
in this year's Fund Raiser! Later in December I will post a list of everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists this year. Its
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists.
Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard,
or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its
my 47th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really
nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then
now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2010
From: Craig Gallenbach <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: ySpecial offer!
666-666-666
Dear friend,
How are things with you?
I bought an item on the internet last week, I received it now, and I really like
it, lots of my friends have bought things on this web, their website is zxoor.com,
here I recommend it to you, and hope you can find the things you like,
thanks!
World is but a little place, after all.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: William Cowden <rv8n222bc(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Parts for sale
Date: Dec 07, 2010
I have a set of RV-8 gear legs complete with attach and hardware. Never mo
unted=2C 1 leg has about 6" blemish of the powdercoat.
Also RV-8 rear seat rudder pedals. New in bag.
Make offer=2C looking for 1/2 price and actual shipping costs. I get a gre
at rate on Fed-Ex so that should help.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Elton" <estone(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Parts for sale
Date: Dec 07, 2010
I am interested but I have not priced any parts..
Elton Stone
AYSO Referee Administrator 1091/13/G
Description: j0395780
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Cowden
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Parts for sale
I have a set of RV-8 gear legs complete with attach and hardware. Never
mounted, 1 leg has about 6" blemish of the powdercoat.
Also RV-8 rear seat rudder pedals. New in bag.
Make offer, looking for 1/2 price and actual shipping costs. I get a great
rate on Fed-Ex so that should help.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: William Cowden <rv8n222bc(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Parts for sale
Date: Dec 08, 2010
How about $250 for everything plus shipping. I am a pilot for DAL and get
75% off on Fed-Ex.
Bill
From: estone(at)mchsi.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Parts for sale
Date: Tue=2C 7 Dec 2010 17:34:42 -0500
I am interested but I have not priced any parts..
Elton Stone
AYSO Referee Administrator 1091/13/G
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of William Cowden
Sent: Tuesday=2C December 07=2C 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Parts for sale
I have a set of RV-8 gear legs complete with attach and hardware. Never mo
unted=2C 1 leg has about 6" blemish of the powdercoat.
Also RV-8 rear seat rudder pedals. New in bag.
Make offer=2C looking for 1/2 price and actual shipping costs. I get a gre
at rate on Fed-Ex so that should help.
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From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Dec 11, 2010
Subject: Headset storage
I am in the late stages of an 8A build. As we all know the cockpit is=85 sn
ug.
I am looking for a way to store two headsets on the right side of the
cockpit so they are out of the way but when we are entering / exiting the
aircraft. I have seen a simple fabric loop & snap that seemed to be simple
and difficult to damage. I have designed in my head a couple of other
options (swinging arm and spring loaded arm) both of which live under the
canopy rail ledge and are moved into place when they are needed.
Unfortunately they have the potential disadvantage of being damaged when
misused.
Any suggestions on a headset storage bracket or device for the 8 would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Robin
Panel to date:
[image: Panel powered, side lights, N-number 002.jpg]
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 13, 2010
Subject: Re: Headset storage
Robin,
I'm not a clever as you - I just put mine on the rail or in the seat or on
glare shield.
But, your ideas are interesting. Let us know what you settle on.
Stan Sutterfield
www.rv-8a.net
I am in the late stages of an 8A build. As we all know the cockpit is=85
sn
ug.
I am looking for a way to store two headsets on the right side of the
cockpit so they are out of the way but when we are entering / exiting the
aircraft. I have seen a simple fabric loop & snap that seemed to be simple
and difficult to damage. I have designed in my head a couple of other
options (swinging arm and spring loaded arm) both of which live under the
canopy rail ledge and are moved into place when they are needed.
Unfortunately they have the potential disadvantage of being damaged when
misused.
Any suggestions on a headset storage bracket or device for the 8 would be
appreciated.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vince Hiimsl <vshimsl(at)live.com>
Subject: RE: Headset storage
Date: Dec 13, 2010
I believe this to be one of the items best left until you are flying. I
found the dash (glare shield) underneath my official Van's cap to be best
for me.
Surprising, but some things that make perfect sense when building, don't
when flying.
Regards,
Vince Himsl
RV8 N8432 70 hours
KPUW <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman-Moscow_Regional_Airport>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 14, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 2010 List of Contributors
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Frasca <dfrasca(at)frasca.com>
Date: Dec 20, 2010
Subject:
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Dec 29, 2010
Subject: Forward Baggage tricks
My forward top skin is in place and all that is left to do is build the
Baggage Door. Other than the Carbon Fiber door option does anyone have any
suggestions for a better latching system to secure the Baggage Door? Also
any tips, tricks or ideas are greatly appreciated.
Looking forward to taxi testing in a couple of weeks!
Robin
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com>
Subject: Forward Baggage tricks
Date: Dec 29, 2010
Hey Robin=2C
John Huft had a nice hidden hinge system with a gas strut I used on my 8=2C
works real well and eliminates the need for a rod to keep the door open.
You can find a link to his sight from the Vans website under: Resources/R
V8/John Huft/Modifications/Hidden Hinges. I used Van's locking system and
it has work flawlessly and if installed correctly really cinches the door
down tightly.
Good Luck=2C
Paul
RV8 300 hours and snowed in
From: Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
Date: Wed=2C 29 Dec 2010 15:02:39 -0800
Subject: RV8-List: Forward Baggage tricks
My forward top skin is in place and all that is left to do is build the Bag
gage Door. Other than the Carbon Fiber door option does anyone have any sug
gestions for a better latching system to secure the Baggage Door? Also any
tips=2C tricks or ideas are greatly appreciated.
Looking forward to taxi testing in a couple of weeks!
Robin
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com>
Date: Dec 30, 2010
Subject: Re: Forward Baggage tricks
I recently completed my baggage door using Vans instructions. Took numerous
iterations but I am quite pleased how it turned out. I went to the local l
ocksmith and purchased a reasonably priced lock - one where the key cannot
be removed unless the thing is locked. Although not 100% fullproof - I gue
ss you can miss a key sticking up from the baggage door - but it is an indi
cator of an incomplete preflight!
I found the rod extension to lock the door provided the force needed to mak
e the door set flush.
Paul Valovich
N192NM - Wingtips on, getting close
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Paul Schattauer <chasm711(at)msn.com>
Subject: Forward Baggage tricks
Date: Dec 31, 2010
It is possible to get your baggage door to lay perfectly with out force. P
ut a very very slight curve in the lower lip of the door before assembly to
smoothly fit the fuse side. after the ribs are on=2C put the door on the
AC and check the fit. Stretch or shrink the ribs to change their curve and
you can get the door to lay flat with no pressure. Mark where the rivets
for the inside panel will go so as to not remove metal there. To shrink t
he rib cut a notch in the flange and flute the rib slightly. To stretch cu
t a notch in the flange and and squeeze (beat) rib with pneumatic squeezer
or rivet gun. Rivet back panel to door.
Paul Schattauer
N808PS
From: pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
Date: Thu=2C 30 Dec 2010 09:59:50 -0500
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Forward Baggage tricks
I recently completed my baggage door using Vans
instructions. Took numerous iterations but I am quite pleased how it turned
out. I went to the local locksmith and purchased a reasonably priced lock
'
one where the key cannot be removed unless the thing is locked. Although no
t
100% fullproof - I guess you can miss a key sticking up from the baggage
door ' but it is an indicator of an incomplete preflight!
I found the rod extension to lock the door provided the
force needed to make the door set flush.
Paul Valovich
N192NM ' Wingtips on=2C getting close
________________________________________________________________________________
From: MLWynn(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 04, 2011
Subject: Very cool video
Hi all,
Someone sent me this link:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=zKnsyYbfC60&feature=popular_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=zKnsyYbfC60&feature=popular)
It is a Boeing production of building and painting a 737. Off topic, but
pretty cool. I wonder if they rent out the paint booth?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Airfoil Drag Video...
This is a REALLY interesting video about drag. I had no idea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq8jTQ8ANE
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 132+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops...
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph Finch" <ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Airfoil Drag Video...
Date: Jan 10, 2011
Not repeatable therefore not real useful for comparison. The guy should
rotate the airfoils to minimum drag each time, otherwise, he doesn't know if
they are in comparable positions. It's also a shame he didn't replace the
airfoil with an equal-flow-area rectangular shape. As a result he produces
confusing and misleading results, inferring that a round shape has more drag
than a rectangular shape!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:29 AM
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Airfoil Drag Video...
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
This is a REALLY interesting video about drag. I had no idea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq8jTQ8ANE
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 132+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops...
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-8 Gear-Legs
From: Hotmail <rv8n222bc(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2011
I am selling my stock never installed gear legs and attach hardware as I have ordered
aftermarket gear. The legs are factory powdercoated and there is a 6 inch
scratch in the powder coat on one leg. I am looking for $200 plus actual
shipping cost (I get 75 percent off on Fed-Ex). Contact me off list and do not
archive.
Bill Cowden
Menomonie, WI
218-329-1307.
Sent from my iPad
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 11, 2011
Subject: Re: Airfoil Drag Video
I am far from an aero expert, but I found the video interesting. I did
not grasp the inference that a round shape has more drag than a rectangular
one. Rather I understood that a streamlined shape has less drag than a
round one. I guess it was made for laymen like me.
Stan Sutterfield
Not repeatable therefore not real useful for comparison. The guy should
rotate the airfoils to minimum drag each time, otherwise, he doesn't know
if
they are in comparable positions. It's also a shame he didn't replace the
airfoil with an equal-flow-area rectangular shape. As a result he produces
confusing and misleading results, inferring that a round shape has more
drag
than a rectangular shape!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Collins" <collins04(at)cableone.net>
Subject: RV8 stick
Date: Jan 23, 2011
I am looking at putting the Tosten control stick in, and an interested the
length of the base/stick that was left by others who have used this.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Paul Collins
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2011
From: james scritchley <jimboscr(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: RV8 stick
Hi Paul
-
I am using the Tosten grip and there are a couple of options that I have be
en looking at. The first was a bend in the stick by a bloke in the U.S. How
ever he no longer does the bending, but he published the
dimensions. Some didn't like these and some others came up with an alternat
ive. (see the following web site) This guy found bending to be destructive
and wasn't happy with the location of the bends so he worked out his own di
mensions and cut and welded the the stick.
-
http://www.kit-plane-advice.com/front-control-stick.html
-
I can understand this because I tried to get my rear stick bent here and ca
n't get anyone to bend it. According to the professional "benders"-the pi
pe is-an unusual size of molly and no one here will touch it without the
exact dies because it will definitely buckle.
-
So instead of bending I decided to shorten the front stick so it fits under
the panel. From the pivot to the top of the stick it is 18cm long. However
I may shorten it a little more because-the clearance is minimal
-
The rear stick is even shorter, but due to the sitting position this is not
a problem for the rear passenger. It is 9 1/2cm from the bottom of the rem
ovable pipe to the top. However I have found that I still need to bend the
rear stick with-a radius of-2.5 cm to stop it hitting the front seat be
fore full forward travel is reached. I think I will need to either cut and
weld or heat and bend.
-
Have a look at the attachment, I have put a couple of photographs there. Ho
pe this helps your decision.
-
Cheers
-
Jim
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--- On Mon, 24/1/11, Paul Collins wrote:
From: Paul Collins <collins04(at)cableone.net>
Subject: RV8-List: RV8 stick
Received: Monday, 24 January, 2011, 1:52 PM
I am looking at putting the Tosten control stick in, and an interested the
length of the base/stick that was left by others who have used this.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Paul Collins
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2011
From: Richard Lundin <rlundin46(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV8 stick
Hi Jim,
Can you attach the dimensioned drawings to a post? I can't get them big or
clear enough to use.
Thanks,
Rick
--- On Mon, 1/24/11, james scritchley wrote:
From: james scritchley <jimboscr(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV8 stick
Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 2:18 AM
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Paul=0A-=0AI am using the Tosten grip and there are a c
ouple of options that I have been looking at. The first was a bend in the s
tick by a bloke in the U.S. However he no longer does the bending, but he p
ublished the
dimensions. Some didn't like these and some others came up with an alternat
ive. (see the following web site) This guy found bending to be destructive
and wasn't happy with the location of the bends so he worked out his own di
mensions and cut and welded the the stick.=0A-=0Ahttp://www.kit-plane-adv
ice.com/front-control-stick.html=0A-=0AI can understand this because I tr
ied to get my rear stick bent here and can't get anyone to bend it. Accordi
ng to the professional "benders"-the pipe is-an unusual size of molly a
nd no one here will touch it without the exact dies because it will definit
ely buckle.=0A-=0ASo instead of bending I decided to shorten the front st
ick so it fits under the panel. From the pivot to the top of the stick it i
s 18cm long. However I may shorten it a little more because-the clearance
is minimal=0A-=0AThe rear stick is even shorter, but due to the sitting
position this is not a problem for the rear passenger. It is 9 1/2cm from t
he bottom of the removable pipe to the top. However I have found that I sti
ll need to bend the rear stick with-a radius of-2.5 cm to stop it hitti
ng the front seat before full forward travel is reached. I think I will nee
d to either cut and weld or heat and bend.=0A-=0AHave a look at the attac
hment, I have put a couple of photographs there. Hope this helps your decis
ion.=0A-=0ACheers=0A-=0AJim=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-
=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A
--- On Mon, 24/1/11, Paul Collins wrote:
=0A
From: Paul Collins <collins04(at)cableone.net>
Subject: RV8-List: RV8 stick
Received: Monday, 24 January, 2011, 1:52 PM
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI am looking at putting the Tosten control stick in, a
nd an interested the length of the base/stick that was left by others who h
ave used this.=0AThanks for the suggestions!=0APaul Collins
=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
=0A=0A=0A=0A -=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2011
From: james scritchley <jimboscr(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: RV8 stick
Hi Rick
-
Here is-a plan-that might be better. (Please see attachment)
-
Cheers
-
Jim
--- On Tue, 25/1/11, Richard Lundin wrote:
From: Richard Lundin <rlundin46(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV8 stick
Received: Tuesday, 25 January, 2011, 2:13 AM
Hi Jim,
Can you attach the dimensioned drawings to a post? I can't get them big or
clear enough to use.
Thanks,
Rick
--- On Mon, 1/24/11, james scritchley wrote:
From: james scritchley <jimboscr(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV8 stick
Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 2:18 AM
Hi Paul
-
I am using the Tosten grip and there are a couple of options that I have be
en looking at. The first was a bend in the stick by a bloke in the U.S. How
ever he no longer does the bending, but he published the
dimensions. Some didn't like these and some others came up with an alternat
ive. (see the following web site) This guy found bending to be destructive
and wasn't happy with the location of the bends so he worked out his own di
mensions and cut and welded the the stick.
-
http://www.kit-plane-advice.com/front-control-stick.html
-
I can understand this because I tried to get my rear stick bent here and ca
n't get anyone to bend it. According to the professional "benders"-the pi
pe is-an unusual size of molly and no one here will touch it without the
exact dies because it will definitely buckle.
-
So instead of bending I decided to shorten the front stick so it fits under
the panel. From the pivot to the top of the stick it is 18cm long. However
I may shorten it a little more because-the clearance is minimal
-
The rear stick is even shorter, but due to the sitting position this is not
a problem for the rear passenger. It is 9 1/2cm from the bottom of the rem
ovable pipe to the top. However I have found that I still need to bend the
rear stick with-a radius of-2.5 cm to stop it hitting the front seat be
fore full forward travel is reached. I think I will need to either cut and
weld or heat and bend.
-
Have a look at the attachment, I have put a couple of photographs there. Ho
pe this helps your decision.
-
Cheers
-
Jim
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
--- On Mon, 24/1/11, Paul Collins wrote:
From: Paul Collins <collins04(at)cableone.net>
Subject: RV8-List: RV8 stick
Received: Monday, 24 January, 2011, 1:52 PM
I am looking at putting the Tosten control stick in, and an interested the
length of the base/stick that was left by others who have used this.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Paul Collins
=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2011
Subject: Re: RV8 stick
From: Jim Sherry <jimsherry49(at)gmail.com>
Hey James,
This guy just bent a stick for my -8. Just a little nick of the powder coat
but otherwise okay.
Jim
[image: Starred]fromMike Cingari toJim Sherry <
jimsherry49(at)gmail.com>
dateSun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:48 PMsubjectRV-8 stick bendingmailed-bygmail.com
signed-bygmail.com
hide details 12/12/10
Hi Jim,
I am bending sticks as time permits.
Send a new stick, full length and a check for $120 (includes return
shipping)
or paypal $130 to me at:
Mike Cingari
2433 Laguna Road
Santa Rosa, CA 95401
2 weeks turnaround time
I will send you an email when I ship it back to you.
Thanks,
Mike
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:50 PM, james scritchley wrote:
> Hi Rick
>
> Here is a plan that might be better. (Please see attachment)
>
> Cheers
>
> Jim
>
> --- On *Tue, 25/1/11, Richard Lundin * wrote:
>
>
> From: Richard Lundin <rlundin46(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV8 stick
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Received: Tuesday, 25 January, 2011, 2:13 AM
>
> Hi Jim,
> Can you attach the dimensioned drawings to a post? I can't get them big or
> clear enough to use.
> Thanks,
> Rick
>
> --- On *Mon, 1/24/11, james scritchley * wrote:
>
>
> From: james scritchley <jimboscr(at)yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV8 stick
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 2:18 AM
>
> Hi Paul
>
> I am using the Tosten grip and there are a couple of options that I have
> been looking at. The first was a bend in the stick by a bloke in the U.S.
> However he no longer does the bending, but he published the
> dimensions. Some didn't like these and some others came up with an
> alternative. (see the following web site) This guy found bending to be
> destructive and wasn't happy with the location of the bends so he worked out
> his own dimensions and cut and welded the the stick.
>
> http://www.kit-plane-advice.com/front-control-stick.html
>
> I can understand this because I tried to get my rear stick bent here and
> can't get anyone to bend it. According to the professional "benders" the
> pipe is an unusual size of molly and no one here will touch it without the
> exact dies because it will definitely buckle.
>
> So instead of bending I decided to shorten the front stick so it fits under
> the panel. From the pivot to the top of the stick it is 18cm long. However I
> may shorten it a little more because the clearance is minimal
>
> The rear stick is even shorter, but due to the sitting position this is not
> a problem for the rear passenger. It is 9 1/2cm from the bottom of the
> removable pipe to the top. However I have found that I still need to bend
> the rear stick with a radius of 2.5 cm to stop it hitting the front seat
> before full forward travel is reached. I think I will need to either cut and
> weld or heat and bend.
>
> Have a look at the attachment, I have put a couple of photographs there.
> Hope this helps your decision.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jim
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 24/1/11, Paul Collins * wrote:
>
>
> From: Paul Collins <collins04(at)cableone.net>
> Subject: RV8-List: RV8 stick
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Received: Monday, 24 January, 2011, 1:52 PM
>
> I am looking at putting the Tosten control stick in, and an interested
> the length of the base/stick that was left by others who have used this.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions!
>
> Paul Collins
>
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From: "Timothy E. Cone" <tcone1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: West Coast Formation Clinic
Date: Feb 02, 2011
The 2011 West Coast Formation Clinic (WCFC) will be held from Friday April
29 to Sunday May 1, 2011 at Madera Municipal Airport (KMAE), Madera,
California, hosted by the West Coast Ravens RV Formation Squadron.
Formation flying is an extremely fun, challenging and rewarding activity.
The WCFC is designed to introduce you to the basics of, and develop your
skills in, RV Formation Flying to FFI standards, in a safe, professional and
fun environment.
The WCFC is open to RV aircraft only (-3, -4, -6, -7, -8, and -9.sorry no
RV-10s or RV-12s). Participating pilots should have excellent stick and
rudder skills. Aircraft must be in excellent condition and have dual
controls, dual PTT, and an intercom. No vernier throttles allowed!
Interested pilots should join the 2011 WCFC Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WCFC2011/, and register for the clinic by
adding a record to the database section. This is also the discussion group
for all participants in the 2011 WCFC clinic.
Please also visit the 2011 WCFC website
http://www.rvformation.com/wcfc2011/index.html which has a wealth of
information under the various tabs, including all aircraft and paperwork
requirements, airport info, a complete schedule of events, links to all the
pre-study materials (T-34 Formation Manual, RV Supplement to the T-34
Manual, and the FFI Manual), and hotel group rate and reservation
information.
multi-media, interactive Ground School for all participants. Dinner is
included (at cost).
On Saturday evening, there will be a fly-out BBQ dinner at nearby Sierra Sky
Park (E79), hosted by FFI Flight Lead Tim "Slick" Cone, at the
internationally renowned "Casa Cone".
On Sunday, an "All-Up" flight for all participants that have been cleared
for 4-ship solo will be briefed and flown, giving all participants a taste
of large formation maneuvering.
The West Coast Ravens would like to extend a sincere welcome to all clinic
participants. We look forward to sharing the fun, challenge and camaraderie
of RV Formation Flying with all comers!
Hope to see you there!
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rivet Squeezer for sale
From: "Jdaniel343" <Jdaniel343(at)bresnan.net>
Date: Feb 03, 2011
I have a Chicago Pnuematic Rivet Sqeezer for sale.
I has a 1 yoke that is included.
See photo http://s767.photobucket.com/albums/xx317/Jdaniel343/?action=view¤t=IMG_6408.jpg
Asking $300 obo.
Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329471#329471
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From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Feb 22, 2011
Subject: Replacement Prop Governor Suggestion
Dear list,
We are very close to flying the 8A and have run our 400 TTSOH
engine with new Hartzell BA Prop. Everything runs great with the exception
of the Prop Governor direction. The unit came off a Lake Amphibian
LA-4-200 with
a different prop. Unfortunately it seems to work backwards, the engine
smoothes out and rpm increases when you pull the lever back. We believe we
have the wrong Gov and it is time for a replacement.
Here are the specifics:
Prop: New Hartzell, HC-C2YR-1BFP/F7497
Engine: IO-360-AIB 200 Hp
Hartzell Prop. Gov: The alum. tag is hard to read. Model F-6-5 **
Prior Aircraft: Lake LA-4-200 Ser. No. 465
My question; is there a preferred Prop Governor on the market
for this prop & engine combination? I read on the Hartzell site the
recommended Hartzell governor is the S-1-10. Any comments or
recommendations?
Thanks,
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 210 Hours
RV-8A Soon
** Model F-6-5 I'm sure about the "F" and the "6", pretty sure about the
"5", it could have another digit after the 5, can't tell. Ser. no.
-7310T, the dash could be an "A" or "?-"
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FS: Vetterman Exhaust
Date: Feb 23, 2011
From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil>
Listers -
I have a new Vetterman Crossover exhaust for RV-6/7/8/9 with Superior
IO-360 & Cold Air Induction that I won't be using.
Includes gaskets and Robbin's Wings heat muff.
$900, shipped CONUS.
Neal
850-218-4838
Capt Neal George
505TRS/DOJ
Hurlburt Field, FL 32544
850-884-7165
DSN 579
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Feb 23, 2011
Subject: Replacement Prop Governor Suggestion - Resolved
It turns out the prop governor was not going to work for my combination. I
knew I should have made a RV8 Pusher! On the advice of Charlie we contacted
Southwest Aero for what turned out to be Extremely Friendly & knowledgeable
information. Great recommendation Charlie! Ultimately I went with a new Prop
Governor from Vans and will be selling back my current governor for about
1/4th the new unit purchase price. Could be worse. I am happy with this
solution even though it was a bit pricey but I have a shiny new accessory
that should give me years of service.
Thanks everyone,
Robin
*From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:47 PM
*To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv7-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RV8-List: Replacement Prop Governor Suggestion
Dear list,
We are very close to flying the 8A and have run our 400 TTSOH
engine with new Hartzell BA Prop. Everything runs great with the exception
of the Prop Governor direction. The unit came off a Lake Amphibian LA-4-200
with a different prop. Unfortunately it seems to work backwards, the engine
smoothes out and rpm increases when you pull the lever back. We believe we
have the wrong Gov and it is time for a replacement.
Here are the specifics:
Prop: New Hartzell, HC-C2YR-1BFP/F7497
Engine: IO-360-AIB 200 Hp
Hartzell Prop. Gov: The alum. tag is hard to read. Model F-6-5 **
Prior Aircraft: Lake LA-4-200 Ser. No. 465
My question; is there a preferred Prop Governor on the market
for this prop & engine combination? I read on the Hartzell site the
recommended Hartzell governor is the S-1-10. Any comments or
recommendations?
Thanks,
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 210 Hours
RV-8A Soon
** Model F-6-5 I'm sure about the "F" and the "6", pretty sure about the
"5", it could have another digit after the 5, can't tell. Ser. no.
-7310T, the dash could be an "A" or "?-"
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From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 08, 2011
Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
From: Vince Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com>
Date: Mar 08, 2011
Hi!
dead of winter, economy, but it will pick up. After all, you are back.
Vince H.
RV8-75 hrs
N8432
Sent from my iPod
On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Konrad/Conny wrote:
>
> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I rejoined
a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 08, 2011
Darn right you are, ...after all, I AM BACK... :-))
On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Vince Himsl wrote:
>
> Hi!
> dead of winter, economy, but it will pick up. After all, you are back.
>
> Vince H.
> RV8-75 hrs
> N8432
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Konrad/Conny
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
>> rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 09, 2011
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
Welcome back. We missed you. It's been dead on this list since you've
been gone!
I'm doing lots of speed mods to my 8A getting ready for the racing season.
I haven't posted all of them, but you can see some at _www.rv-8a.net_
(http://www.rv-8a.net) in Dec 10 and later.
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 3/9/2011 3:05:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Darn right you are, ...after all, I AM BACK... :-))
On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Vince Himsl wrote:
>
> Hi!
> dead of winter, economy, but it will pick up. After all, you are back.
>
> Vince H.
> RV8-75 hrs
> N8432
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Konrad/Conny
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
>> rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-8a Engraving
From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 09, 2011
Dear Builder Buds, no the list is not dead. Some of us are just too damned
busy building to write about it. I had some engraving done yesterday and I
wanted to share it with you all. Sorry for the photos blur. I think the pro
duct is great, service was superb and friendly and price was 30% less than
Bill's Engraving that Matt D. used. The fellow that runs the place is Mr. J
oe, nice guy who says he spent his airforce time hanging bombs and rockets
on F4s in V mam. Great guy! You can see his card/ letter head in one of the
photos. I was impressed by the work and recommend his shop. He can also do
self stick vinyl letters, numbers and words for cockpit markings. Best reg
ards, Bill of Georgia
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 09, 2011
Don't you know it... ;-) But relax, I am back!
I looked up your website, and it looks like you are doing a marvelous
job on your many speed modifications.
Cheers, Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
> Welcome back. We missed you. It's been dead on this list since
> you've been gone!
>
> I'm doing lots of speed mods to my 8A getting ready for the racing
> season. I haven't posted all of them, but you can see some at www.rv-8a.net
> in Dec 10 and later.
>
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> In a message dated 3/9/2011 3:05:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> writes:
> Darn right you are, ...after all, I AM BACK... :-))
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Vince Himsl wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi!
> > dead of winter, economy, but it will pick up. After all, you are
> back.
> >
> > Vince H.
> > RV8-75 hrs
> > N8432
> >
> > Sent from my iPod
> >
> > On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Konrad/Conny
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
> >> rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 09, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: PMag
I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool, but the web
site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/economy
benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world experience along these lines?
I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on a pair of
P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already starts and runs
great. More power and better economy are always welcome, though...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>
>I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the competing
LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel savings?
>
>I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a Magneto,
but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions?
>
>Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI systems
would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...?
>
>Konrad
>
>
>On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
>>I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on some
recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of use.
I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder version.
>>Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but I would
never run two Light speed either.
>>
>>
>>Robin
>>
>>
>>From: <mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of <mailto:HCRV6(at)comcast.net>HCRV6(at)comcast.net
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>
>>HI Konrad,
>>
>>Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more of
them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they may have
worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat cautious but thinking
about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner(at)comcast.net>klwerner(at)comcast.net>
>>To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>Hi Harry,
>>
>>
>>Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething problems
in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
>>
>>
>>Konrad
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6(at)comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question
comes up that I can help with.
>>
>>BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting together
group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I saw it
but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me who it
was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: PMag
Date: Mar 09, 2011
I have 200 hours on a dual PMag install using auto plugs (NGK BR8ES) in my
8A. I installed the PMags as replacement for a dual Lightspeed Plasma II+
install after 400 problem plagued hours. The PMags have been rock solid.
I'm running a stock Van's O-360 back fitted with Airflow Performance
injection. I run 80%+ LOP, typically 30 to 40 degrees or so - but can go
further without getting a rough engine (but at that point the power is
dropping off faster than the fuel flow). At 2350 RPM and 23.5" or so I'm at
8gph or less, and CHTs drop 50 degrees from ROP. I believe the ignitions
enable this performance.
I do know of an RV-8 running a Lightspeed Plasma II+ and a PMag. He too was
running a dual Lightspeeds but when one died he replaced the dead one with
the PMag. Performance wise he does not see much difference.
The other aspect I can offer is that the service after the sale on the PMags
has been superb. I'm on their short list to get the 6 cylinder model for
the RV-10 project - and have been told I'll have them in time for an August
maiden flight. My brand new IO-540 slick mags, harness and spark plugs will
soon be for sale.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM
rv7-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: Re: PMag
I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool, but the
web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real
performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world
experience along these lines?
I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on a pair
of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already starts
and runs great. More power and better economy are always welcome,
though...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>
>I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the
competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel
savings?
>
>I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a
Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions?
>
>Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI
systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...?
>
>Konrad
>
>
>On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
>>I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on
some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years
of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6
cylinder version.
>>Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but I
would never run two Light speed either.
>>
>>
>>Robin
>>
>>
>>From:
owner-rv6-list-server(at)matronics.
com
[mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6(at)comcast.net
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>
>>HI Konrad,
>>
>>Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more
of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they
may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat cautious
but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner(at)comcast.net>klwerner(at)comcast.net>
>>To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>Hi Harry,
>>
>>
>>Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
>>
>>
>>Konrad
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6(at)comcast.net
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and
counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a
question comes up that I can help with.
>>
>>BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting
together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I
saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell
me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: PMag
Date: Mar 09, 2011
Dear Carl,
How was Lightspeed Engineering to deal with while trouble shooting
your Dual LSE's during these "400 problem plagued hours"? Just
curious...
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> >
>
> I have 200 hours on a dual PMag install using auto plugs (NGK BR8ES)
> in my
> 8A. I installed the PMags as replacement for a dual Lightspeed
> Plasma II+
> install after 400 problem plagued hours. The PMags have been rock
> solid.
>
> I'm running a stock Van's O-360 back fitted with Airflow Performance
> injection. I run 80%+ LOP, typically 30 to 40 degrees or so - but
> can go
> further without getting a rough engine (but at that point the power is
> dropping off faster than the fuel flow). At 2350 RPM and 23.5" or
> so I'm at
> 8gph or less, and CHTs drop 50 degrees from ROP. I believe the
> ignitions
> enable this performance.
>
> I do know of an RV-8 running a Lightspeed Plasma II+ and a PMag. He
> too was
> running a dual Lightspeeds but when one died he replaced the dead
> one with
> the PMag. Performance wise he does not see much difference.
>
> The other aspect I can offer is that the service after the sale on
> the PMags
> has been superb. I'm on their short list to get the 6 cylinder
> model for
> the RV-10 project - and have been told I'll have them in time for an
> August
> maiden flight. My brand new IO-540 slick mags, harness and spark
> plugs will
> soon be for sale.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM
> To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com
> ;
> rv7-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: PMag
>
>
> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool,
> but the
> web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real
> performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world
> experience along these lines?
>
> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on
> a pair
> of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already
> starts
> and runs great. More power and better economy are always welcome,
> though...
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>
>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and
>> the
> competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well
> as fuel
> savings?
>>
>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with
>> not a
> Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic
> ignitions?
>
>>
>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI
> systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...?
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A
>>> based on
> some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in
> years
> of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6
> cylinder version.
>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two
>>> PMags but I
> would never run two Light speed either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
> owner-rv6-list-
> server@matronics.
> com
> [mailto:owner-rv6-list-
> server@ma
> tronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6(at)comcast.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>> To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>
>>> HI Konrad,
>>>
>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More
>>> and more
> of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks
> like they
> may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat
> cautious
> but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner(at)comcast.net>klwerner(at)comcast.net
>>> >
>>> To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it
> all?
>>>
>>>
>>> Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6(at)comcast.net
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours
>>> and
> counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and
> reply if a
> question comes up that I can help with.
>>>
>>> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
>>> putting
> together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested
> when I
> saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone
> could tell
> me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: PMag
Date: Mar 09, 2011
This the main reason why I pulled the Lightspeeds off my airplane.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: PMag
Dear Carl,
How was Lightspeed Engineering to deal with while trouble shooting
your Dual LSE's during these "400 problem plagued hours"? Just
curious...
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
>
> I have 200 hours on a dual PMag install using auto plugs (NGK BR8ES)
> in my
> 8A. I installed the PMags as replacement for a dual Lightspeed
> Plasma II+
> install after 400 problem plagued hours. The PMags have been rock
> solid.
>
> I'm running a stock Van's O-360 back fitted with Airflow Performance
> injection. I run 80%+ LOP, typically 30 to 40 degrees or so - but
> can go
> further without getting a rough engine (but at that point the power is
> dropping off faster than the fuel flow). At 2350 RPM and 23.5" or
> so I'm at
> 8gph or less, and CHTs drop 50 degrees from ROP. I believe the
> ignitions
> enable this performance.
>
> I do know of an RV-8 running a Lightspeed Plasma II+ and a PMag. He
> too was
> running a dual Lightspeeds but when one died he replaced the dead
> one with
> the PMag. Performance wise he does not see much difference.
>
> The other aspect I can offer is that the service after the sale on
> the PMags
> has been superb. I'm on their short list to get the 6 cylinder
> model for
> the RV-10 project - and have been told I'll have them in time for an
> August
> maiden flight. My brand new IO-540 slick mags, harness and spark
> plugs will
> soon be for sale.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM
> To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com
> ;
> rv7-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: PMag
>
>
> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool,
> but the
> web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real
> performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world
> experience along these lines?
>
> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on
> a pair
> of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already
> starts
> and runs great. More power and better economy are always welcome,
> though...
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>
>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and
>> the
> competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well
> as fuel
> savings?
>>
>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with
>> not a
> Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic
> ignitions?
>
>>
>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI
> systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...?
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A
>>> based on
> some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in
> years
> of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6
> cylinder version.
>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two
>>> PMags but I
> would never run two Light speed either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
> owner-rv6-list-
> server@matronics.
> com
> [mailto:owner-rv6-list-
> server@ma
> tronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6(at)comcast.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>> To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>
>>> HI Konrad,
>>>
>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More
>>> and more
> of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks
> like they
> may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat
> cautious
> but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner(at)comcast.net>klwerner(at)comcast.net
>>> >
>>> To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it
> all?
>>>
>>>
>>> Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6(at)comcast.net
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours
>>> and
> counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and
> reply if a
> question comes up that I can help with.
>>>
>>> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
>>> putting
> together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested
> when I
> saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone
> could tell
> me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Harrell, Lee" <leh(at)hshpc.com>
Date: Mar 09, 2011
Subject: Re: PMag
I have over 200 hours on my dual P-Mags in my 8A with an IO-360. The
performance in all aspects of flight has been very consistent. Fuel burn at
50 degrees LOP is about 8 GPH at altitude. Installation and timing is very
simple and the support has been outstanding. I run auto plugs and replace
them annually.
I bought the new engine with the P-Mags installed so I can't directly
compare the performance to traditional mags, but I have been very pleased
with the system.
Lee E. Harrell, Jr., PE, LEED AP, QCxP
President/Chief Executive Officer
Harrell, Saltrick & Hopper
8016 Tower Point Drive
Charlotte, NC 28227
Cell 704.562.4820
Office 704.814.1320
lharrell(at)hshpc.com
www.hshpc.com
Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 20:46:52 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: PMag
This the main reason why I pulled the Lightspeeds off my airplane.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: PMag
Dear Carl,
How was Lightspeed Engineering to deal with while trouble shooting
your Dual LSE's during these "400 problem plagued hours"? Just
curious...
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
>
> I have 200 hours on a dual PMag install using auto plugs (NGK BR8ES)
> in my
> 8A. I installed the PMags as replacement for a dual Lightspeed
> Plasma II+
> install after 400 problem plagued hours. The PMags have been rock
> solid.
>
> I'm running a stock Van's O-360 back fitted with Airflow Performance
> injection. I run 80%+ LOP, typically 30 to 40 degrees or so - but
> can go
> further without getting a rough engine (but at that point the power is
> dropping off faster than the fuel flow). At 2350 RPM and 23.5" or
> so I'm at
> 8gph or less, and CHTs drop 50 degrees from ROP. I believe the
> ignitions
> enable this performance.
>
> I do know of an RV-8 running a Lightspeed Plasma II+ and a PMag. He
> too was
> running a dual Lightspeeds but when one died he replaced the dead
> one with
> the PMag. Performance wise he does not see much difference.
>
> The other aspect I can offer is that the service after the sale on
> the PMags
> has been superb. I'm on their short list to get the 6 cylinder
> model for
> the RV-10 project - and have been told I'll have them in time for an
> August
> maiden flight. My brand new IO-540 slick mags, harness and spark
> plugs will
> soon be for sale.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM
> To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com
> ;
> rv7-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: PMag
>
>
> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool,
> but the
> web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real
> performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world
> experience along these lines?
>
> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on
> a pair
> of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already
> starts
> and runs great. More power and better economy are always welcome,
> though...
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>
>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and
>> the
> competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well
> as fuel
> savings?
>>
>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with
>> not a
> Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic
> ignitions?
>
>>
>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI
> systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...?
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A
>>> based on
> some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in
> years
> of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6
> cylinder version.
>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two
>>> PMags but I
> would never run two Light speed either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
> owner-rv6-list-
> server@matronics.
> com
> [mailto:owner-rv6-list-
> server@ma
> tronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6(at)comcast.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>> To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>
>>> HI Konrad,
>>>
>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More
>>> and more
> of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks
> like they
> may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat
> cautious
> but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner(at)comcast.net>klwerner(at)comcast.net
>>> >
>>> To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it
> all?
>>>
>>>
>>> Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6(at)comcast.net
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours
>>> and
> counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and
> reply if a
> question comes up that I can help with.
>>>
>>> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
>>> putting
> together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested
> when I
> saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone
> could tell
> me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 09, 2011
From: Brian Huffaker <bifft(at)xmission.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
> Welcome back. We missed you. It's been dead on this list since you've
> been gone!
>
> I'm doing lots of speed mods to my 8A getting ready for the racing season.
> I haven't posted all of them, but you can see some at _www.rv-8a.net_
> (http://www.rv-8a.net) in Dec 10 and later.
Very interesting. I'm curious how much weight all that stuff is adding.
Have you weight it with all those speed addons? (Hoping for lower weight
over higher speed for mine)
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 Installing fuel lines.
1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "FLYBOY.BOB" <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-8a Engraving
Date: Mar 10, 2011
I used a place called Aircraft Engraver in Granby, CT
http://www.engravers.net/aircraft/fp_list.htm they did a great job,
promptly, at a fair price. They also do fuel caps and placards.
Regards,
Bob Christensen =93 N83RC =93 waiting for the inspector!
From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:53 AM
Subject: RV8-List: RV-8a Engraving
Dear Builder Buds, no the list is not dead. Some of us are just too
damned busy building to write about it. I had some engraving done
yesterday and I wanted to share it with you all. Sorry for the photos
blur. I think the product is great, service was superb and friendly and
price was 30% less than Bill's Engraving that Matt D. used. The fellow
that runs the place is Mr. Joe, nice guy who says he spent his airforce
time hanging bombs and rockets on F4s in V mam. Great guy! You can see
his card/ letter head in one of the photos. I was impressed by the work
and recommend his shop. He can also do self stick vinyl letters, numbers
and words for cockpit markings. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-8a Engraving
From: cs(at)charlesstringham.com
Date: Mar 10, 2011
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 11, 2011
Subject: Re: Speed Mods
The speed mods are adding very little weight. The largest wight increase
was due to the tail weight (about 2 pounds) but I have removed it since
there was no perceived improvement. The other changes are fiberglass or
carbon fiber fairing shells and are light weight. However, I have flown my
airplane with and without a 200 pound guy in the back seat and the extra weight
makes no difference on top speed. I got 193 KIAS at 1000' MSL no matter
the weight. Weight does make a difference for climb ability. If you are
operating off a short, turf runway, then lower weight would be the best
option.
Regarding the comments about using P Mags on an IO-390, I concur with all
comments.
I never ran my engine on regular mags, so I can't give a direct comparison,
but I am very pleased with P Mag performance and with product support. It
doesn't get any better than Brad Dement's P Mag support. I had a few
issues early on and Brad promptly solved each one. I have another little
problem I need to contact him about - the RPM on my engine monitor is inop when
the engine is cold - RPM signal is from the P Mags. As soon as the mags
warm up, it works normally. The problem only surfaced recently and I have
not discussed it with him.
Timing of the P Mags is dirt simple.
I'm running NGK BR8EIX Iridium auto plugs with the P Mags set to 39 degrees
BTDC. These plugs are a bit hotter than the BR8ES I was running before.
I taxi with the engine leaned and I have zero plug fouling. I am
considering making a harness to fit aircraft plugs and try flying with them because
I am losing a tiny bit of compression with the auto plugs. With the E Mag
Air plug adapters, the auto plugs do not reach as far into the combustion
chamber as aviation plugs, so a bit of compression is lost. I usually run
the engine at peak although running 50 LOP works well.
5500' MSL 2200 RPM 21.6" MP 150 KIAS 174 KTAS FF 9.2
5500" MSL 2290 RPM 22.5" MP 164 KIAS 188 KTAS FF 9.8
1000' MSL 2200 RPM 18" MP 120 KIAS FF 6.7
I can't quite get the low FFs that other guys are getting. Can't pinpoint
a causal factor, but doubt it has anything to do with the ignition.
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 3/10/2011 3:06:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Very interesting. I'm curious how much weight all that stuff is adding.
Have you weight it with all those speed addons? (Hoping for lower weight
over higher speed for mine)
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 11, 2011
Subject: POH
From: John Long <johnlong63(at)gmail.com>
A couple of months back there was a thread on POH's.
Someone had an electronic copy of an RV-8 POH that he had done and was
avaialble.
Is that still available and can I get a copy so I can use it as a guide
to do mine?
John Long
N470MJ
At airpoort AKH
Pre-inspection
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 11, 2011
Subject: Re: Rudder Pedals
I'm confused. Aftermarket rudder pedals for the front seat or rear seat?
How are they different?
Stan Sutterfield
"Does anyone know of aftermarket rudder pedals for the RV-8? I recall seein
g a really cool looking set at Oshkosh a couple of years ago, but can't
reca
ll the vendor."
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From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Mar 11, 2011
Subject: Re: Rudder Pedals
I think we are speaking of replacement front rudder pedals.
First flight=85 yesterday. J
Robin
*From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Speedy11(at)aol.com
*Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2011 8:33 AM
*To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RV8-List: Re: Rudder Pedals
I'm confused. Aftermarket rudder pedals for the front seat or rear seat?
How are they different?
Stan Sutterfield
"Does anyone know of aftermarket rudder pedals for the RV-8? I recall seein
g a really cool looking set at Oshkosh a couple of years ago, but can't rec
a
ll the vendor."
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 11, 2011
Subject: Re: Rudder Pedals
Is this the rudder pedal extensions you were thinking of?
_http://www.mlblueskunk.com/Rudder_pedal_Extensions.html_
(http://www.mlblueskunk.com/Rudder_pedal_Extensions.html)
Stan Sutterfield
Does anyone know of aftermarket rudder pedals for the RV-8? I recall seein
g a really cool looking set at Oshkosh a couple of years ago, but can't
reca
ll the vendor.
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From: "John Ciolino" <johnciolino(at)comcast.net>
Subject: POH
Date: Mar 12, 2011
Take a look at http://www.rv-8a.net/index.htm
Last item in the list on the left side of the page. It is well done.
John Ciolino
RV-N894Y
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Long
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:56 AM
Subject: RV8-List: POH
A couple of months back there was a thread on POH's.
Someone had an electronic copy of an RV-8 POH that he had done and was
avaialble.
Is that still available and can I get a copy so I can use it as a guide to
do mine?
John Long
N470MJ
At airpoort AKH
Pre-inspection
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From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com>
Date: Mar 12, 2011
Subject: Re: POH
I've assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation for first
flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy Test
Pilot School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and I'll email you copies.
Didn't reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted by others
.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
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From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis(at)wbsnet.org>
Subject: Re: POH
Date: Mar 12, 2011
Paul,
I'd be interested in copies. I just bought an RV-8A and I'd like
to compare your work with what the builder of mine worked up.
Thanks,
Mark Davis
N851JC
Syracuse, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: Valovich, Paul
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
I've assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation for
first flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy
Test Pilot School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and I'll email you copies.
Didn't reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted by
others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 12, 2011
Subject: Re: POH
John,
I'm still working on my documents and haven't updated since November
(actually I've updated but haven't posted on the web site). As a former
military pilot, I patterned my flight manual and checklist in the military style.
I am occasionally working on the documents and posting the changes. I
will post the most recent changes tonight. They are, of course, tailored to
my particular airplane, so you would have to make lots of changes - but it's
a starting point.
You can find them at _http://www.rv-8a.net/_ (http://www.rv-8a.net/) .
Select POH/Flight Manual/Checklist in the center of the screen and then you
can choose the Nov version of the flight manual and the Oct version of the
checklist.
I'll insert an update to both tonight.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 3/12/2011 3:06:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
A couple of months back there was a thread on POH's.
Someone had an electronic copy of an RV-8 POH that he had done and was
avaialble.
Is that still available and can I get a copy so I can use it as a guide
to do mine?
John Long
N470MJ
At airpoort AKH
Pre-inspection
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry(at)mc.net>
Subject: Re: POH
Date: Mar 12, 2011
I'm interested in copies.
Thanks ... Jerry Grimmonpre jerry(at)mc.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Valovich, Paul
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
Ive assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation for
first flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy
Test Pilot School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and Ill email you copies.
Didnt reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted by
others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mark Merrell <mark.merrell(at)ymail.com>
Subject: Re: POH
Date: Mar 12, 2011
Paul,
I would like a copy also.
Mark
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2011, at 10:01, "Valovich, Paul" wrote:
> I=99ve assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation f
or first flight:
>
>
>
> 1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy Tes
t Pilot School documents as references)
>
> 2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
>
> 3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
>
>
>
> If anyone is interested let me know and I=99ll email you copies.
>
>
>
> Didn=99t reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted b
y others.
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> N192NM
>
>
>
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Date: Mar 12, 2011
From: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: POH
I'm interested.....=0A Bart Filipiak=0Abfilipiak(at)yahoo.com=0A(828) 619-0351
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Valovich, Paul" <p
valovich(at)dcscorp.com>=0ATo: "rv8-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Sat, March 12, 2011 10:01:38 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV8-List: POH=0A
=0A=0AI=99ve assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in prepara
tion for first =0Aflight:=0A =0A1. Test Plan (using Society of Experi
mental Test Pilots and Navy Test =0APilot School documents as references)
=0A2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)=0A3.
Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)=0A =0AIf anyone is interested let me
know and I=99ll email you copies. =0A =0ADidn=99t reinvent the
wheel but carefully assembled the info posted by others.=0APaul Valovich=0A
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From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 12, 2011
Subject: POH
Here
are
all my docs for my RV-8, POH, check lists and the like.
I got them from someone else so I figured share and share alike...
Bill Judge
N84WJ, RV-8 600 hrs
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: POH
From: Chris Stone <rv8iator(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 12, 2011
I would like a copy please. Many thanks for sharing your work.
Chris Stone
Rv8iator(at)gmail.com
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 12, 2011, at 8:36 AM, "Mark Davis" wrote:
> Paul,
> I'd be interested in copies. I just bought an RV-8A and I'd like to c
ompare your work with what the builder of mine worked up.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Davis
> N851JC
> Syracuse, KS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valovich, Paul
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
>
> I=99ve assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation f
or first flight:
>
>
>
> 1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy Tes
t Pilot School documents as references)
>
> 2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
>
> 3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
>
>
>
> If anyone is interested let me know and I=99ll email you copies.
>
>
>
> Didn=99t reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted b
y others.
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> N192NM
>
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV8-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
>
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From: "William L. Paulin" <wpaulin(at)usa.net>
Subject: Re: POH
Date: Mar 12, 2011
I am very interested too ...
Bill
**********************************
William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
On Mar 12, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
I'm interested in copies.
Thanks ... Jerry Grimmonpre jerry(at)mc.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Valovich, Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
I=92ve assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation for
first flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy
Test Pilot School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and I=92ll email you copies.
Didn=92t reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted by
others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "FLYBOY.BOB" <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: POH
Date: Mar 12, 2011
I=99d like a copy please Paul.
Thanks,
Bob Christensen =93 N83RC =93 ready for inspection.
From: Valovich, Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
I=99ve assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in
preparation for first flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy
Test Pilot School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and I=99ll email you copies.
Didn=99t reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info
posted by others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Sultzbach <endspeed(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: POH
Date: Mar 12, 2011
I would appreciate a copy, too. Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2011, at 14:21, "William L. Paulin" wrote:
> I am very interested too ...
>
> Bill
> **********************************
> William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
> 1575 South Forest Drive
> Prescott, AZ 86303
>
> Cell +1 858 722 2905
> Office +1 760 720 2905
> Europe +358 40 720 4047
>
> wpaulin(at)usa.net
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
>
> I'm interested in copies.
>
> Thanks ... Jerry Grimmonpre jerry(at)mc.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valovich, Paul
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
>
> I=99ve assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation f
or first flight:
>
> 1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy Tes
t Pilot School documents as references)
> 2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
> 3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
>
> If anyone is interested let me know and I=99ll email you copies.
>
> Didn=99t reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted b
y others.
> Paul Valovich
> N192NM
>
>
> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.c
om/Navigator?RV8-List
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om/contribution
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Subject: Re: POH
From: cs(at)charlesstringham.com
Date: Mar 12, 2011
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Subject: Re: POH
Date: Mar 12, 2011
From: grenier(at)aol.com
I would also like a copy, and thanks for your effort.
Ray Grenier
-----Original Message-----
From: FLYBOY.BOB <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
I=99d like a copy please Paul.
Thanks,
Bob Christensen =93 N83RC =93 ready for inspection.
From: Valovich, Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
I=99ve assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation
for first flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy Tes
t Pilot School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and I=99ll email you copies.
Didn=99t reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted
by others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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From: Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 12, 2011
Subject: Re: POH
Looks like that was the wrong link, try this
one
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Bill Judge wrote:
> Here
> are
> all my docs for my RV-8, POH, check lists and the like.
>
> I got them from someone else so I figured share and share alike...
>
> Bill Judge
> N84WJ, RV-8 600 hrs
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeff B Steele" <jeffsteele(at)yadtel.net>
Subject: POH
Date: Mar 13, 2011
Paul,
I've got a flight test coming up; I would like to take you up on your offer.
Thanks,
Jeff Steele
jeffsteele(at)yadtel.net
N888GK
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valovich, Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
I've assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation for first
flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy Test
Pilot School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and I'll email you copies.
Didn't reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted by others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 12, 2011
From: Jerry Stofer <hawkeyestof(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: POH
Paul:=C2- I'd really appreciate a copy - and thanks for all your effort.
=C2- Jerry Stofer, N838GS
--- On Sat, 3/12/11, FLYBOY.BOB wrote:
From: FLYBOY.BOB <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 2:08 PM
I=99d like a copy please Paul.
=C2-
Thanks,
Bob Christensen =93 N83RC =93 ready for inspection.
=C2-
From: Valovich, Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
=C2-
I=99ve assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation f
or first flight:
=C2-
1.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Test Plan (using Society of Experime
ntal Test Pilots and Navy Test Pilot School documents as references)
2.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- POH (10MB file with pictures and des
criptions of avionics)
3.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Cockpit Checklist=C2- (5x8 cards)
=C2-
If anyone is interested let me know and I=99ll email you copies.
=C2-
Didn=99t reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted b
y others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.c
om/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
=0A=0A=0A
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From: "John Ciolino" <johnciolino(at)comcast.net>
Subject: POH
Date: Mar 13, 2011
I'd like a copy of the POH.
John Ciolino
RV-8
N894Y
johnciolino(at)comcast.net
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valovich, Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
I've assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation for first
flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy Test
Pilot School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and I'll email you copies.
Didn't reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted by others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 13, 2011
Subject: POH revisited
From: John Long <johnlong63(at)gmail.com>
Thank you everybody.
I now have 4 or 5 different ones and it looks like everything is covered.
Now all I have to do is convert them to my own.
Thanks again.
John
N470MJ
________________________________________________________________________________
From: MLWynn(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 13, 2011
Subject: Re: POH
Hi Paul,
Please email me a copy as well. Thank you for sharing.
mlwynn(at)aol.com
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Wiring
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 3/12/2011 9:05:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com writes:
I=99ve assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation
for
first flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy
Test Pilot School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and I=99ll email you copies.
Didn=99t reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted
by
others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
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Date: Mar 13, 2011
From: Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: POH
Paul, I'd like a copy as well.=C2- Thanks!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AFrom: John Ciolino <johnciolino(at)comcast.net>=0ATo: rv8-l
ist(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, March 13, 2011 6:28:40 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV8
-List: POH=0A=0A=0AI=99d like a copy of the POH.=0A=C2-=0AJohn Ciol
ino=0ARV-8=0AN894Y=0Ajohnciolino(at)comcast.net=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-rv8-list
-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Be
half Of Valovich, Paul=0ASent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:02 AM=0ATo: rv8-
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ht:=0A=C2-=0A1.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Test Plan (using Soci
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references)=0A2.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- POH (10MB file with pi
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- Cockpit Checklist =C2-(5x8 cards)=0A=C2-=0AIf anyone is interested
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From: "Curtis White" <curtiswhite(at)vipowernet.net>
Subject: Re: POH
Date: Mar 13, 2011
THANK YOU. Your work has given me some great ideas.
Curtis R. White
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Judge
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:03 AM
Subject: Spam:******, RV8-List: Re: POH
Looks like that was the wrong link, try this one
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Bill Judge wrote:
Here are all my docs for my RV-8, POH, check lists and the like.
I got them from someone else so I figured share and share alike...
Bill Judge
N84WJ, RV-8 600 hrs
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Curtis White" <curtiswhite(at)vipowernet.net>
Subject: Re: POH
Date: Mar 13, 2011
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Judge
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:03 AM
Subject: Spam:******, RV8-List: Re: POH
Looks like that was the wrong link, try this one
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Bill Judge wrote:
Here are all my docs for my RV-8, POH, check lists and the like.
I got them from someone else so I figured share and share alike...
Bill Judge
N84WJ, RV-8 600 hrs
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com>
Date: Mar 13, 2011
Subject: Documents
Folks,
I believe I have sent my POH, Test Plan and Cockpit Checklist to all who re
quested them. If you want one and didn't get an email from me, let me know.
I'm off to Hill AFB tomorrow on business travel. Will resend Wed or Thurs.
pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Documents
Date: Mar 13, 2011
Oops, one more request... ;-) Please, please, please :-)
Thank you!!! Konrad
On Mar 13, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Valovich, Paul wrote:
> Folks,
> I believe I have sent my POH, Test Plan and Cockpit Checklist to all
> who requested them. If you want one and didn=92t get an email from me,
> let me know. I=92m off to Hill AFB tomorrow on business travel. Will
> resend Wed or Thurs.
>
> pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C. Dan Miller" <cdmiller131(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Documents
Date: Mar 14, 2011
Paul=2C
I got it. Thank you very much. Good stuff and I will use it.
Cheers=2C
Dan
From: pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
Date: Sun=2C 13 Mar 2011 20:55:43 -0400
Subject: RV8-List: Documents
Folks=2C I believe I have sent my POH=2C Test Plan and Cockpit Checklist to
all who requested them. If you want one and didn=92t get an email from me
=2C let me know. I=92m off to Hill AFB tomorrow on business travel. Will re
send Wed or Thurs. pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Documents
From: cs(at)charlesstringham.com
Date: Mar 14, 2011
Hi Paul,
I don't think I got the POH.
Thanks, Chet Stringham
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com>
Sender: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:55:43
Subject: RV8-List: Documents
Folks,
I believe I have sent my POH, Test Plan and Cockpit C
hecklist to all who requested them. If you want one and
didn't get an email from me, let me know. I'm off
to Hill AFB tomorrow on business travel. Will resend Wed
or Thurs.
pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "William L. Paulin" <wpaulin(at)usa.net>
Subject: Re: Documents
Date: Mar 14, 2011
Thank you Paul. Amazing that you and Bill would share like this.
Best Regards,
BIll
*********************************
William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
PaulinNeal Associates
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)paulinneal.com
On Mar 13, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Valovich, Paul wrote:
Folks,
I believe I have sent my POH, Test Plan and Cockpit Checklist to all who
requested them. If you want one and didn=92t get an email from me, let
me know. I=92m off to Hill AFB tomorrow on business travel. Will resend
Wed or Thurs.
pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jbombard" <jbombard(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Documents
Date: Mar 14, 2011
I would appreciate if you would send me a copy of your POH, Many Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Valovich, Paul
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:55 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Documents
Folks,
I believe I have sent my POH, Test Plan and Cockpit Checklist to all
who requested them. If you want one and didn't get an email from me, let
me know. I'm off to Hill AFB tomorrow on business travel. Will resend
Wed or Thurs.
pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mark Schmitz <markschmitz(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Documents
Date: Mar 14, 2011
Apologies for the late request - I'd appreciate copies as well.
Regards -
Mark
MarkSchmitz(at)aol.com
On Mar 13, 2011, at 7:55 PM, "Valovich, Paul"
wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I believe I have sent my POH, Test Plan and Cockpit Checklist to all
> who requested them. If you want one and didn=99t get an email
from me,
> let me know. I=99m off to Hill AFB tomorrow on business travel.
Will
> resend Wed or Thurs.
>
>
> pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael." <captmikemm(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Documents
Date: Mar 14, 2011
Just back online, hate to inundate you with all this but I truly
appreciate the docs.
Captmikemm&earthlink.net
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schmitz
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Documents
Apologies for the late request - I'd appreciate copies as well.
Regards -
Mark
MarkSchmitz(at)aol.com
On Mar 13, 2011, at 7:55 PM, "Valovich, Paul"
wrote:
Folks,
I believe I have sent my POH, Test Plan and Cockpit Checklist to all who
requested them. If you want one and didn=99t get an email from me,
let me know. I=99m off to Hill AFB tomorrow on business travel.
Will resend Wed or Thurs.
pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
ontribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: -6,-7,-8 Empennages interchangeable?
Date: Mar 14, 2011
Hi all,
Are the Empennages for the -6, -7 & -8 totally identical and are
therefore interchangeable from one model to the other??? Just
wondering..., so anyone know for sure?
Thank you, Konrad
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 14, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: -6,-7,-8 Empennages interchangeable?
At 01:23 PM 3/14/2011 Monday, Konrad/Conny wrote:
>--> RV6-List message posted by: Konrad/Conny
>
>Hi all,
>
>Are the Empennages for the -6, -7 & -8 totally identical and are
>therefore interchangeable from one model to the other??? Just
>wondering..., so anyone know for sure?
>
>Thank you, Konrad
The -7 and -8 have the same Empennage, but the -6 has a different one. The -4
and -6 Empennages are much smaller than on the -7 and -8. To my eye, the 4/6
fin-rudder is a little too small, and the 7/8 fin-rudder is a little too big.
That being said, with the IO-390 on the -8, I'm often wishing I had more rudder
authority during landing. So, it may be visually too big on the 7/8 already,
but it could be bigger! :-)
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: -6,-7,-8 Empennages interchangeable?
From: Alan Searle <alan(at)airweigh.com.au>
Date: Mar 15, 2011
The -7 & -8 stabilisers are different. The -7 fuselage is wider at the leading
edge position requiring different skins.
Cheers ........ Alan.
On 15/03/2011, at 7:34 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> At 01:23 PM 3/14/2011 Monday, Konrad/Conny wrote:
>> --> RV6-List message posted by: Konrad/Conny
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Are the Empennages for the -6, -7 & -8 totally identical and are
>> therefore interchangeable from one model to the other??? Just
>> wondering..., so anyone know for sure?
>>
>> Thank you, Konrad
>
> The -7 and -8 have the same Empennage, but the -6 has a different one. The -4
and -6 Empennages are much smaller than on the -7 and -8. To my eye, the 4/6
fin-rudder is a little too small, and the 7/8 fin-rudder is a little too big.
That being said, with the IO-390 on the -8, I'm often wishing I had more rudder
authority during landing. So, it may be visually too big on the 7/8 already,
but it could be bigger! :-)
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 14, 2011
From: "John Myers" <jmyers(at)flyingmranch.us>
Subject: Re: -6,-7,-8 Empennages interchangeable?
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Documents
From: Wally Rojem <wally(at)rojem.com>
Date: Mar 14, 2011
Paul,
May I also get a copy. Sorry I'm slow wally(at)rojem.com
wally RV8
On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Valovich, Paul wrote:
> Folks,
> I believe I have sent my POH, Test Plan and Cockpit Checklist to all
who requested them. If you want one and didn=92t get an email from me,
let me know. I=92m off to Hill AFB tomorrow on business travel. Will
resend Wed or Thurs.
>
> pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: -6,-7,-8 Empennages interchangeable?
Date: Mar 14, 2011
Hi all,
Aren't the various fuselage width's at the horizontal stabilizer
area-, as well as the attach points themselves for the horizontal stab
different between the -6, -7, -8?
There is someone marketing a finished empennage on Barnstormers,
saying "...it can be used on either the 6, 7, 8... and it made no
sense to me / I was not sure on that!
Here is what he said to me in an email: "The empennage can be used on
any of Van's aircraft models of 6, 7, or 8 : or 6a,7a or 8a.
Charlie" Is he correct in that statement?
On the other hand, I do have a "spare" built / late version -6
Empennage (with tall, counterbalanced rudder), so I wondered if it
would work for the -7 or -8 guys as well???
Anyone need one, either with or without a nearly virgin Wing kit of
the pre-drilled kind, maybe even match drilled? The spars are
assembled already!
Cheers, Konrad
On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Jerry Springer wrote:
> Some of you might remember when a few years ago I retro fit a RV-8
> emp to my RV-6. Was pretty simple to do just had to back mark new
> verticle spar to
> match the hole in fuselage bulkhead. Also had to redo the tail
> fairing to make it fit.
>
> Jerry
>
> rv6n(at)optonline.net wrote:
>> I can tell you that I have the 7's VS and rudder on my 6 and I
>> think the HS and elevators are also from the 7's configuration. I
>> started my build in 1999 when the 6 was beginning to be phased
>> out. I ordered the QB kit and the empanage was not the original
>> 6's configuration, both the rudder and the elevators are counter
>> balanced and the VS and rudder are much larger. I am thankful for
>> the larger set.
>> Bob Bales
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Konrad/Conny Date: Monday, March 14, 2011 4:31 pm
>> Subject: RV6-List: -6,-7,-8 Empennages interchangeable?
>> To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com, rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> > --> RV6-List message posted by: Konrad/Conny >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Are the Empennages for the -6, -7 & -8 totally identical and are
>> >
>> > therefore interchangeable from one model to the other??? Just
>> > wondering..., so anyone know for sure?
>> >
>> > Thank you, Konrad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Paul Schattauer <chasm711(at)msn.com>
Subject: Safe, fast
Date: Mar 15, 2011
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Their website: www.store-obuy.com.All my best wishes for the future$B!*(B
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil>
Date: Mar 16, 2011
Subject: POH
I would appreciate a copy Paul. Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
Thanks,
Gail Peck
F-15, F-22 SME USAF Weapons School
Nellis AFB, NV
RV-8 currently sealing tanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valovich, Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
I've assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation for first flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy Test Pilot
School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and I'll email you copies.
Didn't reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted by others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
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Subject: RE: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/11
Date: Mar 17, 2011
From: "Brent Owens" <bowens(at)netjets.com>
Me too Paul. Send to panhandler1956(at)gmail.com
Thanks in advance for sharing!
Brent Owens
Assistant Director of Flight Operations
NetJets(r) Aviation
4111 Bridgeway Avenue
Columbus, Ohio 43219
Tel: 614 239-2486
Fax: 614 239-2437
bowens(at)netjets.com
www.netjets.com
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1. 04:58 PM - Re: POH (Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD)
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From: "Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD"
Subject: RE: RV8-List: POH
I would appreciate a copy Paul. Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
Thanks,
Gail Peck
F-15, F-22 SME USAF Weapons School
Nellis AFB, NV
RV-8 currently sealing tanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valovich, Paul
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: POH
I've assembled three comprehensive DRAFT documents in preparation for
first flight:
1. Test Plan (using Society of Experimental Test Pilots and Navy
Test Pilot
School documents as references)
2. POH (10MB file with pictures and descriptions of avionics)
3. Cockpit Checklist (5x8 cards)
If anyone is interested let me know and I'll email you copies.
Didn't reinvent the wheel but carefully assembled the info posted by
others.
Paul Valovich
N192NM
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From: ESWAN124(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 17, 2011
Subject: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/11
Paul, will you please forward me a copy of your POH.
I have an RV8 with 150hrs in Florida.
Thanks
Earle Swan
_eswan124(at)aol.com_ (mailto:eswan124(at)aol.com)
In a message dated 3/17/2011 3:06:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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