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At 07:22 PM 7/19/2011 Tuesday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>The NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver kit arrived today. Included in the box were
the following:
>
> 1ea ADS600-B Transceiver Unit
> 1ea DB37 Connector w/ Shell
> 2ea RG-142 BNC Antenna Coax Cables (terminated on one end)
> 1ea Wireless receiver option (802.11)
> 1ea End User License sheet
> 1ea Attention Warning sheet
>
>Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>
> 1ea Installation Manual
> 1ea Instruction Manual
> 1ea Wiring Diagram
> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
> 1ea UAT Antenna
> 1ea GPS Antenna
>
>Attached are a couple of pictures of what I received.
>
>Looking over the NavWorx web site, I'm not finding anywhere to download instruction
manuals or installation manuals. Am I suppose to buy the UAT and GPS antennas
separately? I didn't see these available separately on the NavWorx web
site when I ordered the package.
>
>I called and left NavWorx a voicemail.
>
>At this point, I'm kind at a loss...? :-/
>
>Matt
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| Subject: | Wheel Pants Modification |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Hello Fellow RV-8 Builders, I'm about finished making my intersections and
my hanger mate, the ever evil and diabolical Neil, just modified his RV-9 w
heel pants to incorporate the bottom intersections into one piece (really t
wo pieces, but one pants) Ever in fear of humiliation from the horde of ot
her RV drivers at the airport and the shame of having a inadequate and tech
nology flawed design wheel pants I suppose I need to follow suit. My questi
on is where are the divider cuts made in the RV-8 intersections when attach
ed permanently to the wheel pant? Show a photo or two would be appreciated
, Bill of Georgia RV-8A, N288WP, 10 Hrs into Phase l and trying to finish t
he legs and wheel pants
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants Modification |
Hay Bill of Georgia,
Want to one up your builder friends? I am at OSH looking at fiberglass work
and figuring out how to best finish off my 8A wheel pants and saw one of the
nicest applications to date. Once you get the blended wheel pant gear leg
fairing complete as you are asking about (mine are already done and look
great) then put pant in place and cover with release then add your
concoction of micro balloons or mill fiber and resin and cover the gear leg
down low flairing out the gear leg to match the profile of the wheel pant
fairing. Then before it sets up take the back side of a hack saw blade or a
thin knife and run between the pant fairing edge and the new material you
just added. Let the resin set up. Once dry sand both (in place) till the
shapes match. You now have made a transition from the gear leg to the wheel
pant with no lip. This will also hide any chafing common at this
intersection. The end result is a nearly seamless leg to wheel pant.
I hope the description is clear enough to understand. I have photos but will
not be downloaded from my camera for a week.
One other suggestion. For non-8 specific questions I suggest you throw out
your requests to the RV list not just the 8 list as we all have to deal with
fiberglass issues regardless of the model RV.
Photo of my RV-10 wheel pant with integrated transition fairing (note split
location - top and bottom of pant).
Robin
[image: image.jpeg]
Sent from my iPad2.
On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:44 AM, "japhillipsga(at)aol.com"
wrote:
Hello Fellow RV-8 Builders, I'm about finished making my intersections and
my hanger mate, the ever evil and diabolical Neil, just modified his RV-9
wheel pants to incorporate the bottom intersections into one piece (really
two pieces, but one pants) Ever in fear of humiliation from the horde of
other RV drivers at the airport and the shame of having a inadequate and
technology flawed design wheel pants I suppose I need to follow suit. My
question is where are the divider cuts made in the RV-8 intersections when
attached permanently to the wheel pant? Show a photo or two would be
appreciated, Bill of Georgia RV-8A, N288WP, 10 Hrs into Phase l and trying
to finish the legs and wheel pants
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants Modification |
At 07:34 AM 7/27/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Hello Fellow RV-8 Builders, I'm about finished making my intersections and my
hanger mate, the ever evil and diabolical Neil, just modified his RV-9 wheel pants
to incorporate the bottom intersections into one piece (really two pieces,
but one pants) Ever in fear of humiliation from the horde of other RV drivers
at the airport and the shame of having a inadequate and technology flawed design
wheel pants I suppose I need to follow suit. My question is where are the
divider cuts made in the RV-8 intersections when attached permanently to the
wheel pant? Show a photo or two would be appreciated, Bill of Georgia RV-8A,
N288WP, 10 Hrs into Phase l and trying to finish the legs and wheel pants
Hi Bill,
I don't quite follow what you're asking. But, do yourself a huge favor and surf
over to Bob Snedaker's "Fairing Etc" web site and order up a pair of upper and
lower intersection fairings. You'll be glad you did. They fit exceptionally
well and reduce the amount of time spent significantly. More importantly,
when you're done, you'll have an exacting shape match between the left and right
sides. Here's a link to Bob's site:
* https://fairings-etc.com/Intersection_Fairings.html
Here's a step by step of how I did my RV-8 lower fairings using Bob's parts. 13
log entries:
* http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=99660&row=82
Later, I redid the wheel pants and made a blister for the brake caliper which made
them fit a LOT better. I highly recommend this modification. 11 log entries:
* http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=108939&row=17
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Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants Modification |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Robin, thanks. sure wish i was at osh, but no. somebody has to work to pay
in the tax so the country don't default. This week its my turn. Good luck,
Bill
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From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 11:34 am
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Wheel Pants Modification
Hay Bill of Georgia,
Want to one up your builder friends? I am at OSH looking at fiberglass work
and figuring out how to best finish off my 8A wheel pants and saw one of t
he nicest applications to date. Once you get the blended wheel pant gear le
g fairing complete as you are asking about (mine are already done and look
great) then put pant in place and cover with release then add your concocti
on of micro balloons or mill fiber and resin and cover the gear leg down lo
w flairing out the gear leg to match the profile of the wheel pant fairing.
Then before it sets up take the back side of a hack saw blade or a thin kn
ife and run between the pant fairing edge and the new material you just add
ed. Let the resin set up. Once dry sand both (in place) till the shapes mat
ch. You now have made a transition from the gear leg to the wheel pant with
no lip. This will also hide any chafing common at this intersection. The e
nd result is a nearly seamless leg to wheel pant.
I hope the description is clear enough to understand. I have photos but wil
l not be downloaded from my camera for a week.
One other suggestion. For non-8 specific questions I suggest you throw out
your requests to the RV list not just the 8 list as we all have to deal wit
h fiberglass issues regardless of the model RV.
Photo of my RV-10 wheel pant with integrated transition fairing (note split
location - top and bottom of pant).
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:44 AM, "japhillipsga(at)aol.com"
wrote:
Hello Fellow RV-8 Builders, I'm about finished making my intersections and
my hanger mate, the ever evil and diabolical Neil, just modified his RV-9 w
heel pants to incorporate the bottom intersections into one piece (really t
wo pieces, but one pants) Ever in fear of humiliation from the horde of ot
her RV drivers at the airport and the shame of having a inadequate and tech
nology flawed design wheel pants I suppose I need to follow suit. My questi
on is where are the divider cuts made in the RV-8 intersections when attach
ed permanently to the wheel pant? Show a photo or two would be appreciated
, Bill of Georgia RV-8A, N288WP, 10 Hrs into Phase l and trying to finish t
he legs and wheel pants
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 07/27/11 |
Sir Bill of Georgia,
Glad to hear your fly off is going well.
You can see lots of photos of my wheel pant work here
_http://www.rv-8a.net/2006.htm_ (http://www.rv-8a.net/2006.htm) . Scroll down to Nov/Dec.
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 7/28/2011 3:07:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Hello Fellow RV-8 Builders, I'm about finished making my intersections and
my hanger mate, the ever evil and diabolical Neil, just modified his RV-9
w
heel pants to incorporate the bottom intersections into one piece (really t
wo pieces, but one pants) Ever in fear of humiliation from the horde of ot
her RV drivers at the airport and the shame of having a inadequate and tech
nology flawed design wheel pants I suppose I need to follow suit. My questi
on is where are the divider cuts made in the RV-8 intersections when attach
ed permanently to the wheel pant? Show a photo or two would be appreciated
, Bill of Georgia RV-8A, N288WP, 10 Hrs into Phase l and trying to finish t
he legs and wheel pants
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| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders, I now have 13 hours on my 0360 Lyc. Still having
# 1 CHT get too hot before TOC. So I have to throttle back and stairstep u
p to altitude. Temps should be stable by now with 13 hours. So I bought fro
m Avery the bottom cowl louvers to improve airflow. Talked to a couple RV-8
drivers both said the vents lowered CHTs about 20 degrees. Question is how
is best to mount? What shape and size hole(s)? The bottom of the vent pla
te is flat while the cowl bottoms have compound curve surfaces. What is bes
t for looks and effectiveness and strength? Hope to hear from someone, Bill
of Georgia N288WP
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Cowl Vents |
At 07:04 AM 8/8/2011 Monday, you wrote:
>Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders, I now have 13 hours on my 0360 Lyc. Still having #
1 CHT get too hot before TOC. So I have to throttle back and stairstep up to altitude.
Temps should be stable by now with 13 hours. So I bought from Avery the
bottom cowl louvers to improve airflow. Talked to a couple RV-8 drivers both
said the vents lowered CHTs about 20 degrees. Question is how is best to mount?
What shape and size hole(s)? The bottom of the vent plate is flat while the
cowl bottoms have compound curve surfaces. What is best for looks and effectiveness
and strength? Hope to hear from someone, Bill of Georgia N288WP
Hi Bill,
I have an IO-390 210hp on my RV-8 with the standard cowling. I don't have any
trouble with CHT's (generally well under 400f) and my oil temps are generally
in the low 180'sf. If I take off on a hot day at sea level and climb hard, I
can get the CHT on the hot cylinder to go over 400 but by that time I'm at 8000
ft and simply decreasing my angle slightly will bring it back down. The only
"non-stock" aspect of my installation is the giant oil cooler I added to the
back of the baffle. Its about twice the size of the stock one.
Before you start cutting holes in your cowling, you might want to do some more
investigation into the cause of the overheating. Might be indicative of something
else. Plugged oil line to that cylinder, maybe a blocked fuel injector on
that cylinder? Try swapping the injectors between the hottest and coolest cylinder
and see what impact this has on the CHT.
Here's some info on the oil cooler installation that has worked well for me:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2972&log=90253&row=84
Matt
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RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
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http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Cowl Vents |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
Bill,
Do you have the wheel pants and gear leg fairings installed? If not, I would not
make any drastic changes until you get them installed. They will speed your
plane up and provide less drag, of which you will get more airflow and less
engine work.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> At 07:04 AM 8/8/2011 Monday, you wrote:
>> Dear Fellow RV-8 Builders, I now have 13 hours on my 0360 Lyc. Still having
# 1 CHT get too hot before TOC. So I have to throttle back and stairstep up to
altitude. Temps should be stable by now with 13 hours. So I bought from Avery
the bottom cowl louvers to improve airflow. Talked to a couple RV-8 drivers both
said the vents lowered CHTs about 20 degrees. Question is how is best to mount?
What shape and size hole(s)? The bottom of the vent plate is flat while
the cowl bottoms have compound curve surfaces. What is best for looks and effectiveness
and strength? Hope to hear from someone, Bill of Georgia N288WP
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I have an IO-390 210hp on my RV-8 with the standard cowling. I don't have any
trouble with CHT's (generally well under 400f) and my oil temps are generally
in the low 180'sf. If I take off on a hot day at sea level and climb hard,
I can get the CHT on the hot cylinder to go over 400 but by that time I'm at 8000
ft and simply decreasing my angle slightly will bring it back down. The only
"non-stock" aspect of my installation is the giant oil cooler I added to the
back of the baffle. Its about twice the size of the stock one.
>
> Before you start cutting holes in your cowling, you might want to do some more
investigation into the cause of the overheating. Might be indicative of something
else. Plugged oil line to that cylinder, maybe a blocked fuel injector
on that cylinder? Try swapping the injectors between the hottest and coolest
cylinder and see what impact this has on the CHT.
>
> Here's some info on the oil cooler installation that has worked well for me:
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2972&log=90253&row=84
>
> Matt
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Cowl Vents |
Bill,
I initially flew my RV with no dam in front of #1 cylinder. It was
running about 30 degrees cooler than the others so I added a "ski ramp" air dam
that is easily replaced. I can try different shapes and sizes until I get
the temp just right. I've never liked the blunt, brute force air dams
placed in front of cylinders, so I made a more aerodynamic, easily replaceable,
easily modified air dam. You can see a photos and comments at
_http://www.rv-8a.net/2009Jul.htm_ (http://www.rv-8a.net/2009Jul.htm) and
_http://www.rv-8a.net/2010Jun.htm_ (http://www.rv-8a.net/2010Jun.htm)
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 8/10/2011 3:07:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
I tested the CHT probes and they are correct. I have the standard Va
n's baffle wind dam in front of # 1 Cylinder. I trimmed about 5/8th inch of
f the top and noted a small drop in CHT tempt, but it did not even out with
the other three jugs. I'll just not worry about it until after I get the w
heel pants and leggings all installed.
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| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
My RV-8 QB fuselage is only a couple of years old. I've been offered a
canopy for a really good price (originally purchased for adaptation to a
Starduster II) 6-7 years ago but never cut on beyond trimming the bottom
flange. I'm concerned about a couple of issues since canopy fit seems
to have been a nagging problem for quite awhile. I don't know what
tweaks Van's has done to the canopy (or fuselage contours) over the
years which might improve the fit of a new canopy over an older one.
I'm also concerned about dimensional stability in storage, although it's
been in a commercial shop all this time. Hate to pass up an opportunity
like this, but it might be more trouble than it's worth. Comments
greatly appreciated.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
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| From: | "FLYBOY.BOB" <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com> |
My canopy sat for about five year before I got around to it. I
wouldn=99t worry too much about =98dimensional
stability=99 . . . once you cut the bottom flange off it becomes
pretty flexible. I doubt you would have fit issues but don=99t
know for sure?
Bob Christensen =93 RV-8 N83RC
From: Stan Loer
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:53 AM
Subject: RV8-List: rv8 Canopy
My RV-8 QB fuselage is only a couple of years old. I've been offered a
canopy for a really good price (originally purchased for adaptation to a
Starduster II) 6-7 years ago but never cut on beyond trimming the bottom
flange. I'm concerned about a couple of issues since canopy fit seems
to have been a nagging problem for quite awhile. I don't know what
tweaks Van's has done to the canopy (or fuselage contours) over the
years which might improve the fit of a new canopy over an older one.
I'm also concerned about dimensional stability in storage, although it's
been in a commercial shop all this time. Hate to pass up an opportunity
like this, but it might be more trouble than it's worth. Comments
greatly appreciated.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
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| From: | <geezer02(at)windstream.net> |
The canopy should be OK unless it was sat on uneven place, but the canopy and skirt
is still one of the most labor parts of the construction.
Louis N18LD
---- Stan Loer wrote:
> My RV-8 QB fuselage is only a couple of years old. I've been offered a canopy
for a really good price (originally purchased for adaptation to a Starduster
II) 6-7 years ago but never cut on beyond trimming the bottom flange. I'm concerned
about a couple of issues since canopy fit seems to have been a nagging
problem for quite awhile. I don't know what tweaks Van's has done to the canopy
(or fuselage contours) over the years which might improve the fit of a new
canopy over an older one. I'm also concerned about dimensional stability in
storage, although it's been in a commercial shop all this time. Hate to pass
up an opportunity like this, but it might be more trouble than it's worth. Comments
greatly appreciated.
>
> Stan Loer
> RV-8 QB
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! |
Just a heads up to those installing or planning on installing Bose X or A20 Active
NR headsets using the inline power jacks. Specifically these units:
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_headsets/accessories/headset_installkit_acc.jsp
They now come with only 3 feet of cable! Three years ago they came with 6 feet
of cable and I thought at the time that 6 feet seemed a little short. Now 3
feet? What idiot penny pincher in Bose marketing decided "three feet should be
plenty". Here's quote from the Bose web page above: "Three-foot wiring harness
with six pin female connector allows for *placement in locations throughout
aircraft*." WTF? On what planet will a 3-foot hardness reach "locations throughout
the aircraft". That's just plain stupid.
If these were third rate, el-cheapo headsets, I'd write it off to penny pinching,
but for a >$1000 product that you then have to spend an additional $32 for
an installation cable, cheaping out on the cable length is just simply unacceptable.
I have the jacks mounted in the center of the RV-8, and the cables don't even reach
to the righthand control console. What does Bose expect people to do; splice
the wire? That's ridiculous! What would somebody installing in the back
seats of a 4 or 6 place airplane do?
Of course I wrote a scathing email to Bose Support just now. I'm sure they will
write back with "for most of our customers, three feet is sufficient".
Given this direction within Bose, I'd definitely consider the new Sennheiser S1
if I had to do it over again. Additionally, the Sennheiser's Bluetooth supports
the A2DP, AVRCP STEREO profiles. The Bose A20's Bluetooth does NOT support
stereo. It must have been the same marketing moron that dictated 3' cables
that decided not to include stereo Bluetooth profiles. Unbelievable.
Matt
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Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Bucking Bar Recommendation... |
Dear Listers,
After nearly 23 years of building metal airplanes on and off, I finally came across
a really nice bucking bar. The part number details are below and I've attached
a picture of it with the optional 6.5" Dolly Shank attached (recommended).
The handle has a vibration absorbing mechanism inside and it makes riveting almost
a pleasure. It really works good. I was truly amazed at how much more comfortable
it is riveting using the tool.
If you've got even a modest amount of riveting left to do on your project, surf
over to the US Tool web site and order up one. You won't be sorry!
I don't get any kick back (pun intended) from US Tool; I'm just a very stratified
customer.
US Tool - TP111R - Recoilless Bucking Bar - All Steel:
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US Tool - 31021-3 - 6.5" Dolly Shank:
https://www.ustool.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p 80
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Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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| Subject: | RV-8aAP Bank Servo Backwards |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
RV-8 Buds, flew my 8a this afternoon and finally screwed up the courage to
turn on the AP. Took a mil second for the plane to snap roll to the right.
Stopped her about vertical and flipped the switch. Must have wired the bank
servo backward. Anybody know the easiest fix? I have a MGL EFIS Odyssey wi
th Trio AP servos. Shocking moment. Thanks, Bill of Georgia N288WP, 15.1 H
rs in Phase l
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| Subject: | Paint air water separator |
For those of you doing your own painting, attached photo is a water
separator that I find to work well. When painting I add a few blocks of ice
to the water. In the photo the red hose is air in, the orange hose is air
out. The drain valve is connected at the bottom of the vertical PVC pipe.
The vertical pipe acts as a water collector.
Carl
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| From: | "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8aAP Bank Servo BackwardsRV-8aAP Bank Servo Backwards |
I have a Tru Trak ADII AP and experienced the same symptoms when I first en
gaged the thing in flight - except both axis were screwed up.. Called Tru T
rak and very quickly (about 2 seconds) was told to check the wiring polarit
y. Reversed the connections on both servos and the thing has worked fine.
It takes real inattention to detail to screw up both servo connections - an
d I obviously was the man for the job!
Booger
65+ hours and loving it!
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8aAP Bank Servo BackwardsRV-8aAP Bank Servo Backwards |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Boo, I figured out the bank problem. Wired correctly, just needed to change
CW to CCW and it worked. Last night I tried again and now the pitch isn't
correct. Plane went into a shallow dive and stayed in it until reached 780
fpm decent and I disengaged the AP and pulled up. Not as scary as flipping
over, but I'm losing faith in automation. I'll have to find out what and h
ow much to adjust, Thanks, Bill
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I have a Tru Trak ADII AP and experienced the same symptoms when I first en
gaged the thing in flight =93 except both axis were screwed up.. Call
ed Tru Trak and very quickly (about 2 seconds) was told to check the wiring
polarity. Reversed the connections on both servos and the thing has worked
fine.
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| Subject: | Rv-8A Front Gear Leg Fairing |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Dear Fellow Builders, I have a question. On the Drawings (C1 I think) Van
shows the top on the front gear leg fairing reaching into the cowl all the
way up to the engine mount, some 3-4 inches my guess. Looks like if I cut i
t off at the bottom of the cowl and fair it in with an intersection which I
planned to use any how it would be a lot simpler. Both to build and to rem
ove for service. Is it vital that the fairing passes through the bottom of
the cowl? Went flying again today, got 16.6 hours total on the Blue Bird.
A sweeter flying plane I have never flown, Hope to hear your opinion of th
e fairing and thanks, Bill of Georgia N288WP
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-8A Front Gear Leg Fairing |
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| Subject: | Re: Rv-8A Front Gear Leg Fairing |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Folks, I suppose a secondary question is 'does the leg fairing have to slid
e through the bottom cowl slot, where the plate is screwed on, when you tak
e the bottom cowl off and on?"
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From: carl.froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:54 am
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Rv-8A Front Gear Leg Fairing
The short answer is yes, build it per the plans.
The longer length helps keep the fairing from sliding up the gear leg.
Pay close attention to the hose clamp that locks in the bottom of the fairi
ng at the wheel assembly. Add micro to the inside of the fairing as needed
such that the inside is a very close fit to the gear leg diameter. There
is a lot of movement on the gear leg. The close fit will help keep the fai
ring from working out of the hose clamp.
Carl
Sent from my phone. Please read past the typos.
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From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 01:25:10 GMT+00:00
Subject: RV8-List: Rv-8A Front Gear Leg Fairing
Dear Fellow Builders, I have a question. On the Drawings (C1 I think) Van s
hows the top on the front gear leg fairing reaching into the cowl all the w
ay up to the engine mount, some 3-4 inches my guess. Looks like if I cut it
off at the bottom of the cowl and fair it in with an intersection which I
planned to use any how it would be a lot simpler. Both to build and to remo
ve for service. Is it vital that the fairing passes through the bottom of t
he cowl? Went flying again today, got 16.6 hours total on the Blue Bird.
A sweeter flying plane I have never flown, Hope to hear your opinion of the
fairing and thanks, Bill of Georgia N288WP
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| From: | <geezer02(at)windstream.net> |
Does any one have plans or drawings for a flap position sensor to feed a Dynon
system.
Thanks,
Louis N18LD
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
At 09:55 AM 8/23/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>Does any one have plans or drawings for a flap position sensor to feed a Dynon
system.
>
>Thanks,
>Louis N18LD
Hi Louis,
Here's how I did mine. Works great:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=6932&log=132633&row=41
Best regards,
Matt
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Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Circuit Protection |
I won't be writing the check for awhile, but I'm looking really hard at
using the VP-X for circuit protection with a few exceptions now that
Dynon Skyview is compatible. A little spendy, but I like the features
and wiring simplifications it offers. An electrical whiz I ain't. Any
personal experience out there I can tap into? So far I haven't seen
anything I would call really negative, but I'm going to have to raise my
confidence level a bit more before I lock in a decision. In the
meantime, I occasionally take a break from hammers and hacksaws and
spend some time on electrical schematics. Good mental exercise, but I'd
like to minimize the iterations.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
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| From: | Dan Beadle <Dan.Beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Circuit Protection |
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Circuit Protection |
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| From: | <geezer02(at)windstream.net> |
Thanks, that looks much better than I was thinking.
Louis Dunn N18LD
---- Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> At 09:55 AM 8/23/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >
> >Does any one have plans or drawings for a flap position sensor to feed a Dynon
system.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Louis N18LD
>
> Hi Louis,
>
> Here's how I did mine. Works great:
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=6932&log=132633&row=41
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt
>
>
> -
> Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
RV8ers,
I came across a potential problem yesterday and I'd like to know if anyone
has encountered it before and what your solution was.
I removed my wingtips to find that the dimpled attachment holes in the wing
skin are slightly elongated in a lateral direction. That indicates to me
the wingtip is moving very slightly vertically in flight.
Has anyone encountered the problem before?
Thanks,
Stan Sutterfield
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Circuit Protection |
At 10:18 AM 8/24/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>I won't be writing the check for awhile, but I'm looking really hard at using
the VP-X for circuit protection with a few exceptions now that Dynon Skyview is
compatible. A little spendy, but I like the features and wiring simplifications
it offers. An electrical whiz I ain't. Any personal experience out there
I can tap into? So far I haven't seen anything I would call really negative,
but I'm going to have to raise my confidence level a bit more before I lock
in a decision. In the meantime, I occasionally take a break from hammers and
hacksaws and spend some time on electrical schematics. Good mental exercise,
but I'd like to minimize the iterations.
>
>Stan Loer
>RV-8 QB
Hi Stan,
You might want to seriously consider the Vertical Power VP-200 system over the
VP-x. Its a fair amount more expensive, but it adds a LOT of additional functionality.
Depending on your compliment of accessories, the VP-200 will almost
completely eliminate the need for SWITCHES of any kind. This makes for a really
clean panel. I've flow with the VP-200 in my RV-8 for 170 hours and haven't
had a single issue with it and frankly can't imagine flying without it.
The VP-x uses the same electronic breaker technology found in the VP-200, but still
requires individual, low current switches to switch the various circuits
on and off (e.g. landing light, etc.). With the VP-200, all of that is done automatically
based on the autodetected mode of flight (Taxi, Runup, Takeoff, Cruse,
etc). Basically, you get in the plane, push the "ON" button, and you never
have to think about switches again. You can still manually select the mode
and/or manually turn individually turn circuits on/off if you need to. Love
it.
I highly recommend the VP-200 system from Vertical Power.
Matt
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection |
I was one of the early adopters of the VP system, though -- being a working
stiff, I ended up going with the VP-50, since discontinued in favor of the
VPX. The principle is certainly the same, so you may want to look at this
article I wrote:
http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2010/vp50.html
The biggest thing I like about it is I - like you- am not an electrical
engineer and I didn't want my panel loaded up with circuit breakers. The VP
system is simple: Wire to it with the supplied wire, configure, done.
As far as the VP-200, yeah, if you've got the trust fund, it's definitely
the way to go (g). It's a wonderful piece of machinery. Here's some
background an interview I did with Marc when it first came on the scene:
http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2008/vertical_power.html
The service from VP is top notch. It's a great company. There's nothing I
can think of that I would say to dissuade you from going that route.
Bob Collins
RV-7A
St. Paul, MN.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:57 AM
rv7-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection
--> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
At 10:18 AM 8/24/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>I won't be writing the check for awhile, but I'm looking really hard at
using the VP-X for circuit protection with a few exceptions now that Dynon
Skyview is compatible. A little spendy, but I like the features and wiring
simplifications it offers. An electrical whiz I ain't. Any personal
experience out there I can tap into? So far I haven't seen anything I would
call really negative, but I'm going to have to raise my confidence level a
bit more before I lock in a decision. In the meantime, I occasionally take
a break from hammers and hacksaws and spend some time on electrical
schematics. Good mental exercise, but I'd like to minimize the iterations.
>
>Stan Loer
>RV-8 QB
Hi Stan,
You might want to seriously consider the Vertical Power VP-200 system over
the VP-x. Its a fair amount more expensive, but it adds a LOT of additional
functionality. Depending on your compliment of accessories, the VP-200 will
almost completely eliminate the need for SWITCHES of any kind. This makes
for a really clean panel. I've flow with the VP-200 in my RV-8 for 170
hours and haven't had a single issue with it and frankly can't imagine
flying without it.
The VP-x uses the same electronic breaker technology found in the VP-200,
but still requires individual, low current switches to switch the various
circuits on and off (e.g. landing light, etc.). With the VP-200, all of
that is done automatically based on the autodetected mode of flight (Taxi,
Runup, Takeoff, Cruse, etc). Basically, you get in the plane, push the "ON"
button, and you never have to think about switches again. You can still
manually select the mode and/or manually turn individually turn circuits
on/off if you need to. Love it.
I highly recommend the VP-200 system from Vertical Power.
Matt
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Circuit Protection |
| From: | "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> |
I concur with Matt on the VP-200. I have been flying with it for nearly three years
and 400 hours. It was a leap of faith, and very pricey, for me, but has been
fantastic. I would not build another airplane without it.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350777#350777
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Pre-punch baggage door |
Hi all,
I am about to rivet on my front skin. In reading through various posts on
fitting the baggage door, there is discussion of drilling from the inside.
To do so, the rudder pedals have to be out. I was thinking to finish up
the pedals and bleed the brakes (check for leaks) before riveting that
front skin. If I need the pedals out to drill the baggage door, then the
brakes will have to wait.
Question is, with a pre-punch fuselage kit, do I still need to drill from
underneath or can I assemble the baggage door on the bench and expect it to
fit? The rest of the pre-punch has fit perfectly.
Any experience out there?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 11/15/2009 7:14:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
larry(at)bowenaero.com writes:
I have some notes here:
_http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=11_ (http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=11)
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
_http://BowenAero.com_ (http://bowenaero.com/)
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Paul Rice <_rice737(at)msn.com_
(mailto:rice737(at)msn.com) > wrote:
Hey Matt,
I believe what you want can be found on a resources link from vans
website. Go to resources links, RV8, John Huft, the construction, hidden hinges.
I did this on my 8 and it works great.
Paul Rice
RV8 200 hours of fun.
> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:09:11 -0800
> To: _rv-list(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com) ;
_rv8-list(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:rv8-list(at)matronics.com)
> From: _dralle(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com)
> Subject: RV8-List: Hydraulic Strut For RV-8 Baggage Door...
>
(mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com) >
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I was surfing around on the _http://www.mykitlog.com_
(http://www.mykitlog.com/) recently and saw where someone had installed an hydraulic strut
for holding the front baggage door open on the RV-8 similar to what you see
on a hatch-back. I'll be darned if I can remember who that was now. I'd like
to do something similar and it would be helpful to know the specs and
installation points on the strut.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> _http://www.mattsrv8.com_ (http://www.mattsrv8.com/) - Matt's RV-8
Construction Blog
>
>============
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pre-punch baggage door |
In my opinion, wait until the very last minute to bleed the brakes. You never
know when you might need to take the rudder pedals out for some reason - case
in point. I did the final assembly of the baggage door from the under side and
was glad I did. There is a lot of twist in the door without the bottom skin
on. For a perfect fit, do it mounted and from the underside.
$.02
Matt
At 11:22 AM 9/7/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I am about to rivet on my front skin. In reading through various posts on fitting
the baggage door, there is discussion of drilling from the inside. To do
so, the rudder pedals have to be out. I was thinking to finish up the pedals
and bleed the brakes (check for leaks) before riveting that front skin. If I
need the pedals out to drill the baggage door, then the brakes will have to wait.
>
>Question is, with a pre-punch fuselage kit, do I still need to drill from underneath
or can I assemble the baggage door on the bench and expect it to fit?
The rest of the pre-punch has fit perfectly.
>
>Any experience out there?
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael Wynn
>RV 8 Finishing
>San Ramon, CA
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Esten Spears" <ewspears(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pre-punch baggage door |
If you want a baggage door that fits perfect (not just good) do it my way.
Being an overweight oldfart, I didn't want to do it on my head from the
underside. Get all the pieces ready and cleaned up with solvent and
scotchbrite. Use 3M structural Epoxy, JB Weld, or any good structural epoxy
and assemble with clecos and then strap down flush. After the epoxy sets it
will be perfect forever and the rivets will just be to fill the holes. I'd
put the fit of my baggage door up against any RV8 out there. Also use a Gas
Spring with geometry such that the spring will hold it closed if you forget
to lock the latch but once the door is raised an inch or two it slowly
raises it to full extension and the holds it up. The only way to fly!
Thanks!
Esten Spears, Leeward Air Ranch, RV8A, 80922, N922ES, - Flying
9127 SE 72nd Avenue
Ocala, FL 34472
352-347-3523
ewspears(at)comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door
>
>
> In my opinion, wait until the very last minute to bleed the brakes. You
> never know when you might need to take the rudder pedals out for some
> reason - case in point. I did the final assembly of the baggage door from
> the under side and was glad I did. There is a lot of twist in the door
> without the bottom skin on. For a perfect fit, do it mounted and from the
> underside.
>
> $.02
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 11:22 AM 9/7/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I am about to rivet on my front skin. In reading through various posts on
>>fitting the baggage door, there is discussion of drilling from the inside.
>>To do so, the rudder pedals have to be out. I was thinking to finish up
>>the pedals and bleed the brakes (check for leaks) before riveting that
>>front skin. If I need the pedals out to drill the baggage door, then the
>>brakes will have to wait.
>>
>>Question is, with a pre-punch fuselage kit, do I still need to drill from
>>underneath or can I assemble the baggage door on the bench and expect it
>>to fit? The rest of the pre-punch has fit perfectly.
>>
>>Any experience out there?
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Michael Wynn
>>RV 8 Finishing
>>San Ramon, CA
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pre-punch baggage door |
As far as the selection of a strut to hold the door open/closed, I found a sweet
unit at McMaster-Carr that fits and works perfectly. Here are the details from
my log entry:
Page 1:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=93336&row=235
Page 2:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=93337&row=234
RV-8 Baggage Door Strut Installation
RV-8 Baggage Door Strut Installation
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
At 04:03 PM 9/7/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
> Also use a Gas Spring with geometry such that the spring will hold it closed
if you forget to lock the latch but once the door is raised an inch or two
it slowly raises it to full extension and the holds it up. The only way to
fly!
>Thanks!
>Esten Spears
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pre-punch baggage door |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Michael, yes you have to drill and rivet the bag door while its mounted if
you want it to fit right and tight. Also you have to get inside and under t
o pull rivet the door back skin on which holds the door shape. I put the p
edals in and out a bunch of times before finish. Fill and bleed the brakes
so you know all the tubes and parts work and don't leak then disconnect to
the last thing, but you'll have to get inside probably more than once. Best
regards, Bill of Georgia RV-8a, 17 hours into phase l
-----Original Message-----
From: MLWynn <MLWynn(at)aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:29 pm
Subject: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door
Hi all,
I am about to rivet on my front skin. In reading through various posts on
fitting the baggage door, there is discussion of drilling from the inside.
To do so, the rudder pedals have to be out. I was thinking to finish up t
he pedals and bleed the brakes (check for leaks) before riveting that front
skin. If I need the pedals out to drill the baggage door, then the brakes
will have to wait.
Question is, with a pre-punch fuselage kit, do I still need to drill from u
nderneath or can I assemble the baggage door on the bench and expect it to
fit? The rest of the pre-punch has fit perfectly.
Any experience out there?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 11/15/2009 7:14:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, larry@bow
enaero.com writes:
I have some notes here:
http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=11
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Paul Rice wrote:
Hey Matt,
I believe what you want can be found on a resources link from vans webs
ite. Go to resources links, RV8, John Huft, the construction, hidden hi
nges. I did this on my 8 and it works great.
Paul Rice
RV8 200 hours of fun.
> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:09:11 -0800
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> From: dralle(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Hydraulic Strut For RV-8 Baggage Door...
>
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I was surfing around on the http://www.mykitlog.com recently and saw wher
e someone had installed an hydraulic strut for holding the front baggag
e door open on the RV-8 similar to what you see on a hatch-back. I'll b
e darned if I can remember who that was now. I'd like to do something s
imilar and it would be helpful to know the specs and installation point
s on the strut.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
>
>============
>
>
>
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.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
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et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
tp://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com
/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com
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avigator?RV8-List
s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pre-punch baggage door |
Great advice from all of you. Thanks!
I guess I will check the brake system before I rivet on the front and then
drain it and refill when its time for final assembly. Sounds like I am
going to need to get in there more than once before all is said and done.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 9/7/2011 8:15:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
japhillipsga(at)aol.com writes:
Michael, yes you have to drill and rivet the bag door while its mounted if
you want it to fit right and tight. Also you have to get inside and under
to pull rivet the door back skin on which holds the door shape. I put the
pedals in and out a bunch of times before finish. Fill and bleed the brakes
so you know all the tubes and parts work and don't leak then disconnect to
the last thing, but you'll have to get inside probably more than once.
Best regards, Bill of Georgia RV-8a, 17 hours into phase l
-----Original Message-----
From: MLWynn <MLWynn(at)aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:29 pm
Subject: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door
Hi all,
I am about to rivet on my front skin. In reading through various posts on
fitting the baggage door, there is discussion of drilling from the inside.
To do so, the rudder pedals have to be out. I was thinking to finish up
the pedals and bleed the brakes (check for leaks) before riveting that
front skin. If I need the pedals out to drill the baggage door, then the
brakes will have to wait.
Question is, with a pre-punch fuselage kit, do I still need to drill from
underneath or can I assemble the baggage door on the bench and expect it to
fit? The rest of the pre-punch has fit perfectly.
Any experience out there?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 11/15/2009 7:14:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
_larry(at)bowenaero.com_ (mailto:larry(at)bowenaero.com) writes:
I have some notes here:
_http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=11_ (http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=11)
--
Larry Bowen
_Larry(at)BowenAero.com_ (mailto:Larry(at)BowenAero.com)
_http://BowenAero.com_ (http://bowenaero.com/)
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Paul Rice <_rice737(at)msn.com_
(mailto:rice737(at)msn.com) > wrote:
Hey Matt,
I believe what you want can be found on a resources link from vans
website. Go to resources links, RV8, John Huft, the construction, hidden hinges.
I did this on my 8 and it works great.
Paul Rice
RV8 200 hours of fun.
> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:09:11 -0800
> To: _rv-list(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com) ;
_rv8-list(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:rv8-list(at)matronics.com)
> From: _dralle(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com)
> Subject: RV8-List: Hydraulic Strut For RV-8 Baggage Door...
>
(mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com) >
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I was surfing around on the _http://www.mykitlog.com_
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on a hatch-back. I'll be darned if I can remember who that was now. I'd
like to do something similar and it would be helpful to know the specs and
installation points on the strut.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> _http://www.mattsrv8.com_ (http://www.mattsrv8.com/) - Matt's RV-8
Construction Blog
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| From: | "Rasmussen, Robert CAPT N08961, N7" <robert.rasmussen(at)navy.mil> |
So I lost the main longerons (don't ask) that came with the wings. Now it's time
to bend/install them in the fuselage. Any problem with getting 3/4x3/4 AA6-125
aluminum from my local metal supply in Norfolk (cheap/easy), or do I need
to get new ones shipped from Van's (expensive/hard)? Thanks.
Robert E. Rasmussen
N43AR Fuselage build
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| From: | "Sean S. Blair" <dogsbark(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Main Longerons |
Robert,
There is definitely a difference in quality between what Van's supplies and
what is available at most local suppliers.=C2- Also, this is such a MAJO
R component for strength to the airframe, I wouldn't consider taking a chan
ce.=C2- Call Van's and they can tell you particulars.
Sean
RV-7
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert CAPT N08961 Rasmussen, N7" <robert.rasmussen(at)navy.mil>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:47:42 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Main Longerons
So I lost the main longerons (don't ask) that came with the wings. =C2-No
w it's time to bend/install them in the fuselage. =C2-Any problem with ge
tting 3/4x3/4 AA6-125 aluminum from my local metal supply in Norfolk (cheap
/easy), or do I need to get new ones shipped from Van's (expensive/hard)?
=C2-Thanks.
Robert E. Rasmussen
N43AR Fuselage build
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| From: | Vince Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com> |
If you can authenticate the quality. grade and size of the local angle then
you are most fortunate you can purchase aircraft quality components locally.
I shudder to think how much of my build expense went to shipping and
handling.
Regards,
VinceH
Wheat fields of Eastern Washington State
RV-8
N8432 100 hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rasmussen, Robert
CAPT N08961, N7
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 6:48 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Main Longerons
So I lost the main longerons (don't ask) that came with the wings. Now it's
time to bend/install them in the fuselage. Any problem with getting 3/4x3/4
AA6-125 aluminum from my local metal supply in Norfolk (cheap/easy), or do I
need to get new ones shipped from Van's (expensive/hard)? Thanks.
Robert E. Rasmussen
N43AR Fuselage build
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| From: | Brian Huffaker <bifft(at)xmission.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main Longerons |
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011, Rasmussen, Robert CAPT N08961, N7 wrote:
> So I lost the main longerons (don't ask) that came with the wings. Now
>it's time to bend/install them in the fuselage. Any problem with getting
>3/4x3/4 AA6-125 aluminum from my local metal supply in Norfolk
>(cheap/easy), or do I need to get new ones shipped from Van's
>(expensive/hard)? Thanks.
I was able to find a local (Salt Lake City) source for 6061-T6 angle,
if you can verify that it is the right alloy and temper, you can measure
the dimensions easily yourself. I did find that they had a minimum
purchase, so I ended up with 32 feet of 3/4x3/4 for about the same price
as ordering 6 feet and having it shipped.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 Engine stuff
1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
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| From: | "Rasmussen, Robert CAPT N08961, N7" <robert.rasmussen(at)navy.mil> |
Thanks for the input y'all. I'm lucky to have a couple of aviation/marine grade
(ISO 9001-2000 / AS9100 approved) metal suppliers here in Norfolk. They've
got what appears to be exactly the same 6061-T6 angle as Van's sells. Had to
get 50' of it, but at that it still only cost $55. Way better/faster than $350
shipped from Oregon...
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Huffaker
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:32
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Main Longerons
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011, Rasmussen, Robert CAPT N08961, N7 wrote:
> So I lost the main longerons (don't ask) that came with the wings. Now
>it's time to bend/install them in the fuselage. Any problem with getting
>3/4x3/4 AA6-125 aluminum from my local metal supply in Norfolk
>(cheap/easy), or do I need to get new ones shipped from Van's
>(expensive/hard)? Thanks.
I was able to find a local (Salt Lake City) source for 6061-T6 angle,
if you can verify that it is the right alloy and temper, you can measure
the dimensions easily yourself. I did find that they had a minimum
purchase, so I ended up with 32 feet of 3/4x3/4 for about the same price
as ordering 6 feet and having it shipped.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 Engine stuff
1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
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| From: | Breece Nesbitt <breece28117(at)yahoo.com> |
I made the first flight in my RV-8 last Sunday morning.- Other than havin
g a yaw to the left and one=0Acomm radio not working, the flight went well.
- However, the first landing was not so pretty.- On touchdown, the airp
lane became very=0Asquirrelly.- I was all over the place - back=0Aand for
th. -Let rudder - right rudder -=0Aover correcting.- -I had been prac
ticing in an RV-7 and had been=0Adoing good landings, so I thought I wouldn
't have any problem landing the RV-8.- I have a couple of thousand hours
in tail draggers=0A- including about 600 hours in an L-19.- I was pretty
excited making that first=0Alanding, so I thought maybe the poor handling w
as due to that.- On the next landing, though, I realized that=0AI was hav
ing to put way too much pressure on the rudder pedals to get any=0Adirectio
nal control.- The pedals were=0Avery hard to push and I was not keeping t
he airplane straight down the runway. --The next two landings were not
any better -=0Amaybe worse. -The forth and last landing convinced=0Ame th
at -I might not be so lucky next=0Atime. =0AI'm not going to fly the airp
lane again until I am convinced=0Athat I know what the problem is, and get
it corrected.- Any suggestions or thoughts (other than to quit=0Aflying)
would be appreciated.- I'm=0Athinking about changing out the tailwheel as
sembly to see if that might=0Ahelp.- =0A-=0ABreece Nesbitt=0AN28117 (1.
1 hour)
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| Subject: | Re: First Fllight |
| From: | Les Bourne <ualpilot3(at)aol.com> |
What taiwheel spring do you have?
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Breece Nesbitt wrote:
> I made the first flight in my RV-8 last Sunday morning. Other than having
a yaw to the left and one comm radio not working, the flight went well. Ho
wever, the first landing was not so pretty. On touchdown, the airplane beca
me very squirrelly. I was all over the place - back and forth. Let rudder -
right rudder - over correcting. I had been practicing in an RV-7 and had b
een doing good landings, so I thought I wouldn't have any problem landing th
e RV-8. I have a couple of thousand hours in tail draggers - including abou
t 600 hours in an L-19. I was pretty excited making that first landing, so I
thought maybe the poor handling was due to that. On the next landing, thou
gh, I realized that I was having to put way too much pressure on the rudder p
edals to get any directional control. The pedals were very hard to push and
I was not keeping the airplane straight down the runway. The next two lan
dings were not any better - maybe worse. The forth and last landing convinc
ed me that I might not be so lucky next time.
> I'm not going to fly the airplane again until I am convinced that I know w
hat the problem is, and get it corrected. Any suggestions or thoughts (othe
r than to quit flying) would be appreciated. I'm thinking about changing ou
t the tailwheel assembly to see if that might help.
>
> Breece Nesbitt
> N28117 (1.1 hour)
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Fllight |
| From: | Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
All controls should move freely! Figure out what's binding and address it.
Wheel landings offer more control, IMO. Keep the tail up until fast taxi
speeds.
On Sep 13, 2011 6:31 PM, "Breece Nesbitt" wrote:
> I made the first flight in my RV-8 last Sunday morning. Other than having
a yaw to the left and one
> comm radio not working, the flight went well. However, the first landing
was not so pretty. On touchdown, the airplane became very
> squirrelly. I was all over the place - back
> and forth. Let rudder - right rudder -
> over correcting. I had been practicing in an RV-7 and had been
> doing good landings, so I thought I wouldn't have any problem landing the
RV-8. I have a couple of thousand hours in tail draggers
> - including about 600 hours in an L-19. I was pretty excited making that
first
> landing, so I thought maybe the poor handling was due to that. On the
next landing, though, I realized that
> I was having to put way too much pressure on the rudder pedals to get any
> directional control. The pedals were
> very hard to push and I was not keeping the airplane straight down the
runway. The next two landings were not any better -
> maybe worse. The forth and last landing convinced
> me that I might not be so lucky next
> time.
> I'm not going to fly the airplane again until I am convinced
> that I know what the problem is, and get it corrected. Any suggestions or
thoughts (other than to quit
> flying) would be appreciated. I'm
> thinking about changing out the tailwheel assembly to see if that might
> help.
>
> Breece Nesbitt
> N28117 (1.1 hour)
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| From: | Chris Johnston <CJohnston(at)popsound.com> |
That's the question i'd have - what kind of link to you have from the rudder to
the tailwheel, and is the tailwheel stock? I had some exciting times in my 8
with a rocket steering link, which i subsequently changed out for tail lynx.
My issue was that the steering of the tailwheel was waaaaaay too touchy for me.
I was used to a decathlon, and ended up being much happier with a little slack
in the link. After flying for awhile, I did have a time where my tailwheel
steering required way too much force, and the solution was to disassemble and
lube the swivel. problem solved. It turns out that the zerk on the tailwheel
assembly doesn't work for lubricating the system, so it's best to disassemble
and lube on a regular basis.
cj
________________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Les Bourne [ualpilot3(at)aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: First Fllight
What taiwheel spring do you have?
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Breece Nesbitt > wrote:
I made the first flight in my RV-8 last Sunday morning. Other than having a yaw
to the left and one comm radio not working, the flight went well. However,
the first landing was not so pretty. On touchdown, the airplane became very squirrelly.
I was all over the place - back and forth. Let rudder - right rudder
- over correcting. I had been practicing in an RV-7 and had been doing good
landings, so I thought I wouldn't have any problem landing the RV-8. I have
a couple of thousand hours in tail draggers - including about 600 hours in
an L-19. I was pretty excited making that first landing, so I thought maybe the
poor handling was due to that. On the next landing, though, I realized that
I was having to put way too much pressure on the rudder pedals to get any directional
control. The pedals were very hard to push and I was not keeping the
airplane straight down the runway. The next two landings were not any better
- maybe worse. The forth and last landing convinced me that I might not be
so lucky next time.
I'm not going to fly the airplane again until I am convinced that I know what the
problem is, and get it corrected. Any suggestions or thoughts (other than
to quit flying) would be appreciated. I'm thinking about changing out the tailwheel
assembly to see if that might help.
Breece Nesbitt
N28117 (1.1 hour)
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
And make sure you are not dragging a brake.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: First Fllight
All controls should move freely! Figure out what's binding and address it.
Wheel landings offer more control, IMO. Keep the tail up until fast taxi
speeds.
On Sep 13, 2011 6:31 PM, "Breece Nesbitt" wrote:
> I made the first flight in my RV-8 last Sunday morning. Other than having
a yaw to the left and one
> comm radio not working, the flight went well. However, the first landing
was not so pretty. On touchdown, the airplane became very
> squirrelly. I was all over the place - back
> and forth. Let rudder - right rudder -
> over correcting. I had been practicing in an RV-7 and had been
> doing good landings, so I thought I wouldn't have any problem landing the
RV-8. I have a couple of thousand hours in tail draggers
> - including about 600 hours in an L-19. I was pretty excited making that
first
> landing, so I thought maybe the poor handling was due to that. On the
next landing, though, I realized that
> I was having to put way too much pressure on the rudder pedals to get any
> directional control. The pedals were
> very hard to push and I was not keeping the airplane straight down the
runway. The next two landings were not any better -
> maybe worse. The forth and last landing convinced
> me that I might not be so lucky next
> time.
> I'm not going to fly the airplane again until I am convinced
> that I know what the problem is, and get it corrected. Any suggestions or
thoughts (other than to quit
> flying) would be appreciated. I'm
> thinking about changing out the tailwheel assembly to see if that might
> help.
>
> Breece Nesbitt
> N28117 (1.1 hour)
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| From: | Breece Nesbitt <breece28117(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Fllight |
Its a standard Vans full swivel tailwheel assembly that came with my fusela
ge kit.- I've got about 1/2" to 3/4"-sag in each chain.- =0A=0A=0AFro
m: Les Bourne =0ATo: "rv8-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:39 PM=0ASubject: Re: R
V8-List: First Fllight=0A=0A=0AWhat taiwheel spring do you have?=0A=0ALes
=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Sep 13, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Breece Nesbitt
wrote:=0A=0A=0AI made the first flight in my RV-8 l
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adio not working, the flight went well.- However, the first landing was n
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was all over the place - back=0Aand forth. -Let rudder - right rudder -
=0Aover correcting.- -I had been practicing in an RV-7 and had been=0Ad
oing good landings, so I thought I wouldn't have any problem landing the RV
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forth and last landing convinced=0Ame that -I might not be so lucky next
=0Atime. =0A>I'm not going to fly the airplane again until I am convinced
=0Athat I know what the problem is, and get it corrected.- Any suggestion
s or thoughts (other than to quit=0Aflying) would be appreciated.- I'm=0A
thinking about changing out the tailwheel assembly to see if that might=0Ah
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| Subject: | Re: First Fllight |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
Sticking brake??
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Breece Nesbitt wrote:
> I made the first flight in my RV-8 last Sunday morning. Other than having
a yaw to the left and one comm radio not working, the flight went well. Ho
wever, the first landing was not so pretty. On touchdown, the airplane beca
me very squirrelly. I was all over the place - back and forth. Let rudder -
right rudder - over correcting. I had been practicing in an RV-7 and had b
een doing good landings, so I thought I wouldn't have any problem landing th
e RV-8. I have a couple of thousand hours in tail draggers - including abou
t 600 hours in an L-19. I was pretty excited making that first landing, so I
thought maybe the poor handling was due to that. On the next landing, thou
gh, I realized that I was having to put way too much pressure on the rudder p
edals to get any directional control. The pedals were very hard to push and
I was not keeping the airplane straight down the runway. The next two lan
dings were not any better - maybe worse. The forth and last landing convinc
ed me that I might not be so lucky next time.
> I'm not going to fly the airplane again until I am convinced that I know w
hat the problem is, and get it corrected. Any suggestions or thoughts (othe
r than to quit flying) would be appreciated. I'm thinking about changing ou
t the tailwheel assembly to see if that might help.
>
> Breece Nesbitt
> N28117 (1.1 hour)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Fllight |
| From: | Vince Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com> |
Too much slop in your tw linkage. Take out some links to verify. With tw in d
etent, u should have @ 1" play side to side on rudder.
Tw not locking on detent(nut too tight). Main wheel alignment. Did you greas
e assembly? Just some thoughts.
VinceH
RV8 N8432 105 hrs.
Sent from my iPod
On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Breece Nesbitt wrote:
> I made the first flight in my RV-8 last Sunday morning. Other than having
a yaw to the left and one comm radio not working, the flight went well. Ho
wever, the first landing was not so pretty. On touchdown, the airplane beca
me very squirrelly. I was all over the place - back and forth. Let rudder -
right rudder - over correcting. I had been practicing in an RV-7 and had b
een doing good landings, so I thought I wouldn't have any problem landing th
e RV-8. I have a couple of thousand hours in tail draggers - including abou
t 600 hours in an L-19. I was pretty excited making that first landing, so I
thought maybe the poor handling was due to that. On the next landing, thou
gh, I realized that I was having to put way too much pressure on the rudder p
edals to get any directional control. The pedals were very hard to push and
I was not keeping the airplane straight down the runway. The next two lan
dings were not any better - maybe worse. The forth and last landing convinc
ed me that I might not be so lucky next time.
> I'm not going to fly the airplane again until I am convinced that I know w
hat the problem is, and get it corrected. Any suggestions or thoughts (othe
r than to quit flying) would be appreciated. I'm thinking about changing ou
t the tailwheel assembly to see if that might help.
>
> Breece Nesbitt
> N28117 (1.1 hour)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "George Steube" <at6c(at)bellsouth.net> |
Breece,
My first flight in my RV 8 was about 5 years ago. I remember doing a couple
of medium speed taxi runs and thought the airplane was squirrelly, I was
wondering how bad it would be on landing. Turns out the squirrel was
driving. The first landing I didn't even have to touch the rudder peddles
it just tracked straight. On later flights I learned to use very slight
rudder inputs and all the issues went away.
I would check the following. First, make sure the airplane tracks straight
on the ground (the tail wheel and rudder may not align exactly). Second the
movement of the rudder requires no effort if it feels stiff something is
binding. Check the rudder and tail wheel freedom, neither should be tight.
Third on take off and landing roll don't move the rudder like you would on a
big tail dragger, only very minor corrections are needed. Once the first
flight adrenalin dies down you should be ok. Good luck.
George
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Breece Nesbitt
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:28 PM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: First Fllight
I made the first flight in my RV-8 last Sunday morning. Other than having
a yaw to the left and one comm radio not working, the flight went well.
However, the first landing was not so pretty. On touchdown, the airplane
became very squirrelly. I was all over the place - back and forth. Let
rudder - right rudder - over correcting. I had been practicing in an RV-7
and had been doing good landings, so I thought I wouldn't have any problem
landing the RV-8. I have a couple of thousand hours in tail draggers -
including about 600 hours in an L-19. I was pretty excited making that
first landing, so I thought maybe the poor handling was due to that. On the
next landing, though, I realized that I was having to put way too much
pressure on the rudder pedals to get any directional control. The pedals
were very hard to push and I was not keeping the airplane straight down the
runway. The next two landings were not any better - maybe worse. The
forth and last landing convinced me that I might not be so lucky next time.
I'm not going to fly the airplane again until I am convinced that I know
what the problem is, and get it corrected. Any suggestions or thoughts
(other than to quit flying) would be appreciated. I'm thinking about
changing out the tailwheel assembly to see if that might help.
Breece Nesbitt
N28117 (1.1 hour)
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| From: | George Inman <ghinman(at)mts.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Fllight |
I made the first flight in my RV-8 last Sunday morning. Other than having
a yaw to the left and one comm radio not working, the flight went well. Ho
wever, the first landing was not so pretty. On touchdown, the airplane beca
me very squirrelly. I was all over the place - back and forth. Let rudder -
right rudder - over correcting. I had been practicing in an RV-7 and had b
een doing good landings, so I thought I wouldn't have any problem landing th
e RV-8. I have a couple of thousand hours in tail draggers - including abou
t 600 hours in an L-19. I was pretty excited making that first landing, so I
thought maybe the poor handling was due to that. On the next landing, thou
gh, I realized that I was having to put way too much pressure on the rudder p
edals to get any directional control. The pedals were very hard to push and
I was not keeping the airplane straight down the runway. The next two lan
dings were not any better - maybe worse. The forth and last landing convinc
ed me that I might not be so lucky next time.
> I'm not going to fly the airplane again until I am convinced that I know w
hat the problem is, and get it corrected. Any suggestions or thoughts (othe
r than to quit flying) would be appreciated. I'm thinking about changing ou
t the tailwheel assembly to see if that might help.
>
> Breece Nesbitt
> N28117 (1.1 hour)
Make sure the main gear is aligned and not a bit toe in.
--
George H. Inman
ghinman(at)mts.net
204 287 8334
204 799 7062
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| Subject: | Free RV weight and balance program |
| From: | "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com> |
Hi Guys,
I have finally released the new RV weight and balance program. The program will
work for all RVs except for the RV3 and RV12. If there are any RV12 drivers
that would like to have their aircraft included in the program, drop me an email
and I will include it.
The program should be pretty straight forward on the operation, but I would suggest
you also print the available 9 page Operation Manual on the web site. The
beauty of the program is it will not only show you what your CG is at takeoff,
but it will also tell you the CG at the arrival airport. Some owners may be
surprised the change in the CG during your flight.
The program is absolutely free. This is my contribution to the RV community that
I really enjoy.
You can go directly to this site to install the program. If you do get an error
message trying to use the Run feature, try using the Save feature. That will
download the file to your computer. You can then use that file to install the
program.
http://nwacaptain.com/10weightandbalance.html
Greg.
www.nwacaptain.com
--------
Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353733#353733
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| From: | Bill Christie <billc3(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/22/11 |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - 2011 List Fund Raiser Kickoff - 21 Years Strong!! |
Dear Listers,
This year marks 21 years of the Email Lists and Forums at Matronics! I've been
running these forums for nearly half my life! I've made some great friends over
the years and had countless email and personal conversations with builders
about aircraft building and flying. What a great community of people! The advice,
support, and friendship has be invaluable over the years.
To support the continued operation and upgrade of the List servers, each November
I hold a PBS-like fund raiser. It is solely through the Contributions of List
members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO advertising
to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing
banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages and web
site pages including:
* Matronics List Forums http://forums.matronics.com
* Matronics List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search
* Matronics List Browser http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
* Matronics List List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com
You don't find advertising on any of these pages because I believe in a List experience
that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - airplanes!
During the month of November, I will be sending out List messages every couple
of days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular
messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these Lists. Your personal Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year we've got another terrific line up of free gifts to go along
with the various Contribution levels. Many of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists
and they have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include:
* Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com
* Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, and Andy for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-8 Builder (and Rebuilder) and Flyer
RV-6 Rebuilder and Flyer
RV-4 Builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | ADAHRS Installation |
Does anyone out there have a photo of a Dynon ADAHRS installation they
could share with me?
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Beadle <Dan.Beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com> |
| Subject: | ADAHRS Installation |
I am using GRT, but I think the AHRS system is about the same. I am puttin
g the magnetometers just aft of the rear baggage.
See: http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=danbeadle&project=8
8&category=1659&log=135870&row=16
I am putting the AHRS on a shelf attached to the instrument panel. The who
le avionics system removes for bench work. I have 4 power connectors one D
B connector and a bunch of antennas to disconnect, then the whole assembly
slides out for work.
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=danbeadle&project=88&cat
egory=1659&log=135870&row=16
I hope this is useful.
Dan Beadle
RV-8
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan Loer
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 1:41 PM
Subject: RV8-List: ADAHRS Installation
Does anyone out there have a photo of a Dynon ADAHRS installation they coul
d share with me?
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
rsbooks.com>
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| From: | Jerry Stofer <hawkeyestof(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ADAHRS Installation |
Stan:--Photo of my-ADAHRS in RV-8A-- I would suggest mounting for
ward of the visible bulkhead - much easier to get to it if needed.- Jerry
=0A=0A=0AFrom: Stan Loer <stazel(at)cpros.com>=0ATo: rv8-list(at)matronics.com=0A
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 3:40 PM=0ASubject: RV8-List: ADAHRS Instal
lation=0A=0A=0ADoes anyone out there have a photo of-a Dynon ADAHRS insta
llation they could share with me?=0A-=0AStan Loer=0ARV-8 QB=0A-=0A-
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | ADAHRS Installation |
I just installed a Dynon Skyview system in my RV-6. The Dynon is different from
the GRT in that the AHRS and the Magnetometer are in the SAME box. With the
GRT AHRS, you can mount it behind the panel without a problem since RF/Magnetic
interference isn't a problem. On my RV-8, I put the AHRS behind the panel
and mounted the Magnetometers in the tail under the fin. This worked out very
well and I'd do it again this way.
On the RV-6, with the Dynon combined AHRS/Magnetometer, I opted to mount it right
behind the elevator bellcrank. This seems to work "pretty well", but I'm finding
that the close proximity of the Elevator Autopilot Servo causes the Magnetometer
to swing 2-5 degrees when its powered on. If I had to do it again,
I would extend the Static and Pitot lines back to under the fin and mount it there,
similar to how the the GRT Magnetometers are mounted on the RV-8.
I've attached some pictures of the RV-6's Dynon installation and the RV-8's GRT
installation. The filenames of the respective pictures describe the particular
installation.
Best regards,
Matt
At 02:12 PM 11/5/2011 Saturday, you wrote:
>I am using GRT, but I think the AHRS system is about the same. I am putting the
magnetometers just aft of the rear baggage.
>
>See: <http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=danbeadle&project=88&category=1659&log=135870&row=16>http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=danbeadle&project=88&category=1659&log=135870&row=16
>
>I am putting the AHRS on a shelf attached to the instrument panel. The whole
avionics system removes for bench work. I have 4 power connectors one DB connector
and a bunch of antennas to disconnect, then the whole assembly slides out
for work.
><http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=danbeadle&project=88&category=1659&log=135870&row=16>http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=danbeadle&project=88&category=1659&log=135870&row=16
>
>I hope this is useful.
>
>Dan Beadle
>RV-8
>
>From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan Loer
>Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 1:41 PM
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: ADAHRS Installation
>
>Does anyone out there have a photo of a Dynon ADAHRS installation they could share
with me?
>
>Stan Loer
>RV-8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are
so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have
it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
in Dec...
Hey Matt,
You may or may not recall that I spaced out and contributed $100 last year
twice. You offered to return one of the contributions but I said no sweat,
apply it to next year.
That said, thanks a ton for keeping this up. It has really helped my RV 8
build. I am almost ready to move to the airport (LVK). Will definitely
see you around.
Where did you get your carpets cut? They looked great when you posted all
that a year or so ago. I have the same model so maybe I can get them to
make me a set off the same pattern.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Wiring
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 11/13/2011 12:34:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dralle(at)matronics.com writes:
--> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I
post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support
the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to
show their appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?
Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support
the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR
support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include
a
little comment about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
in Dec...
Oops
Thought that was a PM
Michael
In a message dated 11/13/2011 8:02:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
MLWynn(at)aol.com writes:
Hey Matt,
You may or may not recall that I spaced out and contributed $100 last year
twice. You offered to return one of the contributions but I said no
sweat, apply it to next year.
That said, thanks a ton for keeping this up. It has really helped my RV 8
build. I am almost ready to move to the airport (LVK). Will definitely
see you around.
Where did you get your carpets cut? They looked great when you posted all
that a year or so ago. I have the same model so maybe I can get them to
make me a set off the same pattern.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Wiring
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 11/13/2011 12:34:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dralle(at)matronics.com writes:
--> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I
post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support
the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to
show their appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?
Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support
the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR
support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include
a
little comment about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List bsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE o find ifts bsp;
lder's LP you for ; -Matt Dralle, List ies ay -
MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site p;
(http://www.aeroelectric.com/)
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(http://www.homebuilthelp.com/)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's Your Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some pointd, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for over 21 years (yeah, I really
said *21* years) worth of on line archive data available for instant search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining
the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these aspects of Matronics List services.
Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Your Contributions
alone keep these services up and running.
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | The Value of a Forum... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Arn't the Lists worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR Lists?
Please make a Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed -- List of Contributors Published Dec |
1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the Lists
are a whole lot more valuable than your typical magazine subscription!
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributions Down By 20%... |
Dear Listers,
As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by roughly 20%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to
keep the expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash, all of the Lists and the many
years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of
hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I
ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a
modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Site, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Duke <draven67(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Contributions Down By 20%... |
Matt,
Please remove me from the list. Thanks, dr
On 11/23/2011 3:20 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by roughly 20%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members
to keep the expenses paid.
>
> I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space.
I also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash, all of the Lists and the many
years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of
hours.
>
> All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount
of my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and
I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make
a modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services.
>
> If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some
incentive gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Site,
you can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for
the continuation of these services:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>
> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution Today... |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser and the List of Contributors
is quickly approching. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported
and all of the operational costs are provided for by your Contributions during
this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Here is a special offer http://www.oakfieldpri.co.uk/inf.php I liked
it.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Looks like you have a computer virus. You (or your computer) posted this spam
link to the RV-8 list today. Please clean your computer as soon as possible.
Nortons is a good choice.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics mail List Admin
Here is a special offer http://www.oakfieldpri.co.uk/inf.php I liked it.
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Gassen" <gassenp(at)earthlink.net> |
Matt,
I use ESET NOD32, last scan was 11-14-11 with 3 infected and cleaned or so
it was said.
Just started a new scan.
Paul Gassen
gassenp(at)earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:49 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Link
>
> Looks like you have a computer virus. You (or your computer) posted this
> spam link to the RV-8 list today. Please clean your computer as soon as
> possible. Nortons is a good choice.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics mail List Admin
>
>
> Here is a special offer http://www.oakfieldpri.co.uk/inf.php I liked it.
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left - Still Way Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. Over the last
few weeks I have received some really nice comments from members on what the
Lists have meant to them. I have included some of them below. Please read over
the comments and ponder on your own feelings about the Lists and the support
and camaraderie you have found here.
We are still way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions. I really
want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it
take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep
the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser that
keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today.
If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time
to do it!
Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution
web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a check in the mail:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
==================== A Few List Member Comments =====================
I get a lot of useful information and satisfaction from belonging to
your groups. Somehow you foster a great sense of community without
the baggage that accompanies other lists.
Dave S.
We do appreciate you running the lists spam and advertising free.
Jeff P.
I am celebrating my first flight day and you and the lists deserve
a thanks since without it my build would have taken twice as long.
Chris L.
I enjoy the list. Have my morning coffee with it!
Buddy M.
Your lists are the best investment of my time and money, bar none,
when it comes to interfacing with my fellow amateur builders.
Owen B.
Keep it going!! Thanks for taking over.
Wallace J.
I enjoy the Pietenpol List a lot.
Malcolm Z.
Thanks for your great site! As a new CJ-6 owner, your web site is an
invaluable resource.
Ken B.
Great informational source.
Fred S.
Thanks for doing this!
Lance G.
Thank you for the service i do enjoy the many hours I use on line with
the banter/ serious technical items.
Noel G.
Thanks for the years of builder support.
Roy H.
Great forum!
Roger C.
Thank you VERY MUCH, Matt, for carrying on with this great service.
The "Europa" community really appreciates it. All the best, Svein - now
celebrating 10 years as a subscriber, I think!
Svein J.
Matt, I'm building a much nicer and safer airplane because of your efforts.
Robert D.
21 years for you 9 years for me on the Zenith lists. Could not imagine
building and flying without Matronics.
Brian U.
Thanks for ALL the hard work and time you put into maintaining these
forums. As an EAA Tech counselor I recommend them often.
Paul M.
This Pietenpol list is a huge part of the motivation that keeps me working
on my project. This has been a great place for meeting like minded folks
and getting help for the difficult parts.
Thomas S.
Thanks for the excellent service Matt.
Frank S.
Matt, I'm a Sonex building, but I have to say that the Piet group is without
a doubt the most interesting.
Ken M.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate the Piet List. This is one of my sanity
lifelines!
Daniel H.
Your site has provided us over the years with excellent connections to others
for advice. Good job!
Bob M.
Kolb List is my #1 source!
Henry V.
Matt, you do a great job with this site. I've been with it since the
beginning!
John M.
I am very grateful for all of your excellent work on the List.
Arthur L.
Thank you for the service you provide us all!
Nicholas C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my birthday again, 48
of them, in fact! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of those really
nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
Below are a few more of the nice comments from Listers I've received this year.
Please read them over and see if you don't agree.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
==================== A Few More List Member Comments =====================
I never would have ended up with the great flying airplane I have without
the help of people on the Pietenpol list. Thanks for giving us the medium
to communicate our questions, tips and suggestions.
Matt P.
Thanks for the hard work and maintaining the site commercial free. Good
luck for the future and this site has been a source of great friendship.
Peter B.
It is a great resource.
Jim G.
Thanks so much for your continuing support of the homebuilt community.
Gerald A.
You are doing an outstanding job running the list's. Keep it going.
Bill V.
Thanks for keeping this valuable information source going. Best of all
the forums.
George A.
Another Great year on the RV-List!
Thomas E.
Still the best source of information (& opinion) for builders on a wide
range of issues.
Martin H.
Matt, thanks for hosting and maintaining the lists!
Rumen D.
It is a great resource.
Bryan R.
Thanks for your continuing interest in Van's RV8 kitplanes.
Peter C.
I'm no longer building or flying but like to keep in touch with the current
generation of builders. Best wishes to a great list system.
Gerry C.
A great list that is most useful for builders.
Graham H.
Thanks for this wonderful tool!
Ralph C.
Thanks for a great service to the experimental aviation community.
Douglas D.
Great topics and loads of useful info keep the subject matter relevant.
George H.
Thanks for keeping this going.
Richard R.
Great facility and well managed.
Victor F.
Thanks for a great service.
John D.
Thank you for you time and efforts they have made Aviation a better
place for everyone.
Jim W.
I still enjoy getting the list in the morning.
Don M.
You provide a great resource.
David M.
You have probably saved a few necks over the years.
Robert F.
Thank you for being there.
Benjamin B.
You perform a great service.
Bruce M.
Thank you for providing this invaluable resource.
William D.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Hardware Failure - Matronics Web Servers Currently Offline |
failure and is currently not available. Replacement hardware has been ordered
and should arrive on Tuesday 12/6/2011. All services should be restored
shortly there after.
During the outage, the Matronics Forums, Wiki, and other web-based List services
will NOT be available.
However, during the outage, all normal EMAIL based sevices WILL be available so
you may continue to post messages to the various lists without an issue.
I am so sorry for any inconvenience this web server outage has caused...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Services Restored! |
Dear Listers,
web services have been fully restored including the Web Forums, List Browse,
Archive Search, Wiki, and AeroElectric web sites. It was quite an ordeal getting
the replacement boards for the server, but things went back together tonight
and are up and running nicely. The first company I ordered the boards from
originally called me a day later to say that, whoops, they really didn't have
them in stock after all... Fortunately, I was able to locate some through
a different source and had then over-nighted and they arrived today.
Thank you for your patience and consideration though the whole thing!
The List Contribution web site is also back on line for those wishing to make a
donation to the effort:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Endless questions |
Next year's goal is to build out my QB fuselage and I want to install as
much inside as I can before closing it up. Leads to numerous component
location questions. Some are Dynon Skyview specific. Here's my list,
all suggestions/recommendations/observations thankfully received:
ELT and antenna, Skyview GPS module, Skyview transponder, and Vertical
Power VP-X. Shorter list than I thought. Must be overlooking a few
items. I think I have the ADAHRS location figured out-probably on the
baggage shelf unless there's someplace better. Also, I have to decide
if I want access to the aft side of the panel through a cut-out in the
F866B bulkhead. Awkward to cut in place and I will have large holes in
the panel anyway for displays and only wiring harnesses on the backside.
One more:
Is anyone flying with the MGL Mini EMS? I'm going Skyview for my PFD
and GPS, but I want a dedicated engine display.
The MGL unit looks like the most bang for the buck, but their website
has been my only source of information so far.
That's all I can think of for now. Probably just a start. Here's to a
better year all around. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
Stan Loer
RV8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Engstad, Kai" <kengstad(at)orclinic.com> |
| Subject: | Endless questions |
Stan,
For me this has been the hardest part of the build. No real guidance is giv
en for all the "systems" installation, wiring runs, servos, magnetometers a
nd such. I've pieced alot together from looking at what others have done bu
t we all are putting in such diverse systems that it's hard to find much in
formation in one place. Where are you putting your battery? -8 or -8a, VFR
or IFR, are you building the panel yourself or having an avionics shop do i
t?
Kai
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.
com] On Behalf Of Stan Loer [stazel(at)cpros.com]
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Endless questions
Next year's goal is to build out my QB fuselage and I want to install as mu
ch inside as I can before closing it up. Leads to numerous component locat
ion questions. Some are Dynon Skyview specific. Here's my list, all sugge
stions/recommendations/observations thankfully received:
ELT and antenna, Skyview GPS module, Skyview transponder, and Vertical Powe
r VP-X. Shorter list than I thought. Must be overlooking a few items. I
think I have the ADAHRS location figured out-probably on the baggage shelf
unless there's someplace better. Also, I have to decide if I want access t
o the aft side of the panel through a cut-out in the F866B bulkhead. Awkwa
rd to cut in place and I will have large holes in the panel anyway for disp
lays and only wiring harnesses on the backside. One more:
Is anyone flying with the MGL Mini EMS? I'm going Skyview for my PFD and G
PS, but I want a dedicated engine display.
The MGL unit looks like the most bang for the buck, but their website has b
een my only source of information so far.
That's all I can think of for now. Probably just a start. Here's to a bet
ter year all around. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
Stan Loer
RV8 QB
rsbooks.com>
m>
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| Subject: | Re: Endless questions |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Stan, I'm not sure exactly what your asking. I built and fly an RV-8a which
has a MGL EFIS with AP and SV GPS that I gain access to via a removable pa
nel that I access through the baggage compartment. I have a new 406/9 kh EL
T and invisible mounted antenna. What can I help you with? You can contact
me by phone at 478-731-9678 or pm and best regards, Bill N288WP, RV-8a 30.
2 hrs into Phase 1
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Loer <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 9, 2011 6:02 pm
Subject: RV8-List: Endless questions
Next year's goal is to build out my QB fuselage and I want to install as mu
ch inside as I can before closing it up. Leads to numerous component locat
ion questions. Some are Dynon Skyview specific. Here's my list, all sugge
stions/recommendations/observations thankfully received:
ELT and antenna, Skyview GPS module, Skyview transponder, and Vertical Powe
r VP-X. Shorter list than I thought. Must be overlooking a few items. I
think I have the ADAHRS location figured out-probably on the baggage shelf
unless there's someplace better. Also, I have to decide if I want access t
o the aft side of the panel through a cut-out in the F866B bulkhead. Awkwa
rd to cut in place and I will have large holes in the panel anyway for disp
lays and only wiring harnesses on the backside. One more:
Is anyone flying with the MGL Mini EMS? I'm going Skyview for my PFD and G
PS, but I want a dedicated engine display.
The MGL unit looks like the most bang for the buck, but their website has b
een my only source of information so far.
That's all I can think of for now. Probably just a start. Here's to a bet
ter year all around. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
Stan Loer
RV8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Beadle <Dan.Beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Endless questions |
I have spent a lot of time designing a removable panel. My goal is to have
a sub-assembly that I can take out and service on the bench.
I designed the whole panel in 3D CAD to fit 10# into a 5# bag. You are doi
ng far less, so you will have less trouble. I have dual GRT, dual AHRS, Tr
uTrak AP, SL30, GNS430, GMA340 and GTX327. I just added a NavWorx ADS-B an
d a second GPS (actually a third - the ADS-B has a WAAS GPS built in). Yo
u can see the CAD at
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=danbeadle&project=88&cat
egory=1659&log=134967&row=25
You can see the pilot's view at http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?u
ser=danbeadle&project=88&category=1659&log=134897&row=28. Notice
the two indentations on each side of the panel. The upper one is to clear
the windshield roll bar mounting bolts. The lower ones are cosmetic. The
whole subassembly comes out. I have all connections coming out to either
D-Sub connectors or Amp barrel connectors for the higher current loads. I
also have to remove two quick-connect pitot-static lines. Pulling the pane
l takes about 1/2 hour, but then working on it is easy.
I mounted the magnetometers aft of the baggage bay bulkhead. http://mykitl
og.com/users/display_log.php?user=danbeadle&project=88&category=1659&
log=135870&row
I am also using VPX-Pro. I mounted it under the avionics bay. http://mykit
log.com/users/display_log.php?user=danbeadle&project=88&category=7097
&log=134388&row=17
I am pretty happy with the design. It is very, very crowded, but it all fi
ts. I expect to make changes in the future ' I don't know what=85 So I d
esigned the rear of the bay to be screwed to the front panel. I can cut a
new panel and change over radios without major redesign of the rear.
If you are interested in doing something like this, I can provide you with
my 3D files or 2D drawings to get you started.
Dan Beadle
N14DB (Reserved)
Goal is fly May, 2012
From: Stan Loer <stazel(at)cpros.com<mailto:stazel(at)cpros.com>>
(at)matronics.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:57:34 -0800
nics.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Endless questions
Next year's goal is to build out my QB fuselage and I want to install as mu
ch inside as I can before closing it up. Leads to numerous component locat
ion questions. Some are Dynon Skyview specific. Here's my list, all sugge
stions/recommendations/observations thankfully received:
ELT and antenna, Skyview GPS module, Skyview transponder, and Vertical Powe
r VP-X. Shorter list than I thought. Must be overlooking a few items. I
think I have the ADAHRS location figured out-probably on the baggage shelf
unless there's someplace better. Also, I have to decide if I want access t
o the aft side of the panel through a cut-out in the F866B bulkhead. Awkwa
rd to cut in place and I will have large holes in the panel anyway for disp
lays and only wiring harnesses on the backside. One more:
Is anyone flying with the MGL Mini EMS? I'm going Skyview for my PFD and G
PS, but I want a dedicated engine display.
The MGL unit looks like the most bang for the buck, but their website has b
een my only source of information so far.
That's all I can think of for now. Probably just a start. Here's to a bet
ter year all around. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
Stan Loer
RV8 QB
rsbooks.com>
m>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RV-8 Rudder trim |
| From: | Jay McIntyre <cjaviator(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all...
I am looking after an RV-8 for a customer. He is in the process of buying
the Trio auto pilot gear and was wondering if there is anything out that RV
builders have used for rudder trim as opposed to a fixed ground
adjustable tab or adjustable spring bias on the rudder pedal.
i.e. something in the way of a servo....
In his own words... "as a 747 pilot I am too lazy to keep my feet on the
pedals all the time..."
Regards, Jay
New Zealand
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Rudder trim |
At 11:14 AM 12/13/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
>Hi all...
>I am looking after an RV-8 for a customer. He is in the process of buying the
Trio auto pilot gear and was wondering if there is anything out that RV builders
have used for rudder trim as opposed to a fixed ground adjustable tab or adjustable
spring bias on the rudder pedal.
>
>i.e. something in the way of a servo....
>In his own words... "as a 747 pilot I am too lazy to keep my feet on the pedals
all the time..."
>
>Regards, Jay
>New Zealand
I flew my IO-390 210hp CS RV-8 for 170 hours last year. Rudder trim is definitely
*not* necessary. At 3000+fpm climb rate, the amount of time you're running
at full power is so short by the time you diddled with the rudder trim, you'd
have missed your target altitude. Lots of elevator trim *is* needed however,
particularly solo.
Matt's $.02
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 26+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Rudder trim |
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Rudder trim |
| From: | Heath Cherneski <heath.cherneski(at)gmail.com> |
The rv series has excellent directional stability and appropriate rudder for
ces even at high speed. With these qualities, rudder trim, even a spring bi
as system is added weight with not much benefit. My 8 flew half a ball out a
t cruise power. I fabricated a trim tab that is right now "200 mph" taped t
o the rudder and provides perfectly balanced flight at cruise power settings
. Weight, several ounces. Very simple. Took one adjustment and test flight
. The pedal you have to add during climb out and descent is very small and b
arely noticeable. I have a two axis auto pilot that I routinely use for cli
mb out and descent completely hands free. These airplanes have amazing flyi
ng qualities and that, I believe, is due in part to a commitment to avoid co
mplex solutions when a simple one will do. All that to say that pedal input
s required to maintain balanced flight even while maneuvering are minimal an
d the addition of even a simple adjustable rudder trim system is added weigh
t, complexity and expense that is largely wasted in my opinion.
Heath
N818HC
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Jay McIntyre wrote:
> Hi all...
> I am looking after an RV-8 for a customer. He is in the process of buying t
he Trio auto pilot gear and was wondering if there is anything out that RV b
uilders have used for rudder trim as opposed to a fixed ground adjustable ta
b or adjustable spring bias on the rudder pedal.
>
> i.e. something in the way of a servo....
> In his own words... "as a 747 pilot I am too lazy to keep my feet on the p
edals all the time..."
>
> Regards, Jay
> New Zealand
>
>
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Rudder trim |
Jay,
I have had 4 RV's and have come to really my electric rudder trim. My first
two had a bendable tab and the last two we installed an electric trim tab
built into the rudder. I think some form of electric rudder trim is mandato
ry on the RV-10. because it was relatively easy to do we added a much impro
ved version to my 8A after the rudder was built. Like others have stated th
e 8 does not fly that much out of trim but I prefer my cross country flying
to be completely coordinated.
Below is a link to the trim we placed in the -10. We improved the design of
the 8A substantially by eliminating the external arm and mechanism altoget
her. Same with the trim location indicator. We eliminated that since the ba
ll is your trim indicator. If you send me a reminder this weekend I will po
st images of the 8A rudder trim when I am back home. I am currently flying
the -10 east to west coast across the US and I am really glad I have the tr
im. :-)
Robin
http://painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv%2D10/RudderTrim.aspx
Sent from my iPad2.
On Dec 13, 2011, at 6:17 PM, "Heath Cherneski" > wrote:
The rv series has excellent directional stability and appropriate rudder fo
rces even at high speed. With these qualities, rudder trim, even a spring
bias system is added weight with not much benefit. My 8 flew half a ball o
ut at cruise power. I fabricated a trim tab that is right now "200 mph" ta
ped to the rudder and provides perfectly balanced flight at cruise power se
ttings. Weight, several ounces. Very simple. Took one adjustment and test
flight. The pedal you have to add during climb out and descent is very sm
all and barely noticeable. I have a two axis auto pilot that I routinely u
se for climb out and descent completely hands free. These airplanes have a
mazing flying qualities and that, I believe, is due in part to a commitment
to avoid complex solutions when a simple one will do. All that to say tha
t pedal inputs required to maintain balanced flight even while maneuvering
are minimal and the addition of even a simple adjustable rudder trim system
is added weight, complexity and expense that is largely wasted in my opini
on.
Heath
N818HC
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Jay McIntyre <cjav
iator(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all...
I am looking after an RV-8 for a customer. He is in the process of buying t
he Trio auto pilot gear and was wondering if there is anything out that RV
builders have used for rudder trim as opposed to a fixed ground adjustable
tab or adjustable spring bias on the rudder pedal.
i.e. something in the way of a servo....
In his own words... "as a 747 pilot I am too lazy to keep my feet on the pe
dals all the time..."
Regards, Jay
New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Rudder trim |
| From: | Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> |
Jay:
Avery Tools sells a great little device called a "rudder trim tab," part #
9883, sells for $13.50 US in the 2009 catalogue - bond it to the
appropriate side of the trailing edge of the rudder - I'll bet your trim
problem goes away - I drove myself nearly crazy trying to eliminate a heavy
left wing on my RV-7A - someone told me about Avery's "rudder trim tab" - I
bonded it to the underside, outboard, trailing edge of the right aileron -
problem solved - after 280 hours of flight time it's still there and still
working - and no one has ever noticed it - most of my flying is x/c and,
other than landings, takeoffs and the occasional slow speed and stall
practice - I never touch the rudder pedals - elevator trim is another story
however - I installed electric elevator trim during construction - works
great and well worth it - also have electric aileron trim - which I've used
only rarely - when I have a fuel imbalance in the tip tanks -
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A - N307TB
280 hours since first flight
on 8/6/11
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Jay,
> I have had 4 RV's and have come to really my electric rudder trim. My
> first two had a bendable tab and the last two we installed an electric trim
> tab built into the rudder. I think some form of electric rudder trim is
> mandatory on the RV-10. because it was relatively easy to do we added a
> much improved version to my 8A after the rudder was built. Like others have
> stated the 8 does not fly that much out of trim but I prefer my cross
> country flying to be completely coordinated.
> Below is a link to the trim we placed in the -10. We improved the design
> of the 8A substantially by eliminating the external arm and mechanism
> altogether. Same with the trim location indicator. We eliminated that since
> the ball is your trim indicator. If you send me a reminder this weekend I
> will post images of the 8A rudder trim when I am back home. I am currently
> flying the -10 east to west coast across the US and I am really glad I have
> the trim. :-)
>
> Robin
>
> http://painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv%2D10/RudderTrim.aspx
>
> Sent from my iPad2.
>
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 6:17 PM, "Heath Cherneski"
> wrote:
>
> The rv series has excellent directional stability and appropriate
> rudder forces even at high speed. With these qualities, rudder trim, even
> a spring bias system is added weight with not much benefit. My 8 flew half
> a ball out at cruise power. I fabricated a trim tab that is right now "200
> mph" taped to the rudder and provides perfectly balanced flight at cruise
> power settings. Weight, several ounces. Very simple. Took one adjustment
> and test flight. The pedal you have to add during climb out and descent is
> very small and barely noticeable. I have a two axis auto pilot that I
> routinely use for climb out and descent completely hands free. These
> airplanes have amazing flying qualities and that, I believe, is due in part
> to a commitment to avoid complex solutions when a simple one will do. All
> that to say that pedal inputs required to maintain balanced flight even
> while maneuvering are minimal and the addition of even a simple adjustable
> rudder trim system is added weight, complexity and expense that is largely
> wasted in my opinion.
> Heath
> N818HC
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Jay McIntyre <
> cjaviator(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all...
> I am looking after an RV-8 for a customer. He is in the process of buying
> the Trio auto pilot gear and was wondering if there is anything out that RV
> builders have used for rudder trim as opposed to a fixed ground
> adjustable tab or adjustable spring bias on the rudder pedal.
>
> i.e. something in the way of a servo....
> In his own words... "as a 747 pilot I am too lazy to keep my feet on the
> pedals all the time..."
>
> Regards, Jay
> New Zealand
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2011 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2011 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
Their generous contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and
running!
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
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Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
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I also want to thank Bob, Jon, and Andy for their generous support through the
supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and I encourage
you to visit their respective web sites:
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And finally, I'm proud to present The 2011 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Sweet HD Aircraft Video Cam |
Some probably have already seen this, but I noticed that ACS has it on sale right
now for $399 plus an extra 10% off with the check out code "PILOT12".
I'd be interested to hear any impressions of the system and the actual 1080p video
quality.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/dataavhd.php
Best,
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 26+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/21/11 |
Matt,
I don't have that camera but I bought the Drift 170HD and thus have some
insight into the small cameras.
I like the idea (mentioned on ACS page) that the prop is filtered. If it
works, that is nice to have. Make sure that parts on the equipment can be
replaced. The camera I bought does not have replaceable parts. If you
drop it and crack the lens, you have to buy another camera! Ask me how I know.
I believe the cables on the ACS camera will be clumsy. The Drift is all
internal to a small camera body and thus I am able to tape it to a gear
strut or wing tiedown and video things on the bottom of the aircraft. With the
cable and separate recording device that would not be possible.
It does appear to be a rugged design.
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 12/22/2011 3:06:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Some probably have already seen this, but I noticed that ACS has it on
sale right
now for $399 plus an extra 10% off with the check out code "PILOT12".
I'd be interested to hear any impressions of the system and the actual
1080p video
quality.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/dataavhd.php
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| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
Has anyone out there installed the ACK E-04 ELT and its associated
antenna? This is my current first choice for the ELT and I have
tentatively identified an appropriate ELT location, but the antenna is a
question mark given the complications posed by the RV-8 airframe. I
don't want to reopen that general subject, but limit my concerns to the
E-04.8 antenna specifically. I know that it is different from the one
used with the E-01, so I may be looking at a whole new can of worms.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Dynon Skyview Airspeed Calibration... |
Dear Listers,
I've been flying the new 10" Dynon Skyview in the RV-6 for a few weeks now and
it seems like the airspeed is reading maybe 10mph fast. The GS always reads 10mph
or more slower than the True airspeed, no matter which way I fly with respect
to the current wind. Looking through the configuration options on the Skyview,
I'm not seeing parameters to calibrate the airspeed. If the airspeed were
*slow* compared to the GS, I could envision making adjustments to the Pitot
tube to get it in better alignment with slipstream. But *fast* is a head scratcher.
If there's no electronic configuration parameters to adjust, what do
you do? Are there Pitot line "attenuators" like for RF in coax? ;-)
Matt
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 42+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV-List: Dynon Skyview Airspeed Calibration... |
A few of thoughts.
1. It is an easy set up to verify IAS reads properly. Attached photos are
the rig I used. I also attached the scale to translate inches to knots.
There are various placed to find the test rig on the web. You need not take
the airspeed indicator out of the plane, just attached the tube to the pitot
and seal with electrical tape. In the attached rig photo, the pressure
source attaches to the tube that is hanging free on the left. I found an
old blood pressure bulb for this.
2. For my 8A, I initially used a pitot tube that included the static port.
It word well except for high pitch angles. At high angles the static port
started to get ram air. The result was I could have "0" IAS in power on
stalls but still be flying.
3. When I took the plane down for paint, I installed two of the Cleveland
tool static ports in the standard fuselage locations. These are flush
ports. I found this induced a static error. I did a simple fix by drilling
a 1/16 inch hole in the center of a 3/16 round head rivet, cut the rivet
head off and then epoxied the rivet head over the static port. I used a
toothpick to hold the rivet head in place while the epoxy set, and to keep
the epoxy out the hole. This fix solved the static problem. Photo
attached.
4. On the RV-10, I used the same rivet but did not use the Cleveland ports.
I drilled the 1/16" hole all the way thought the head and rivet shank. I
epoxied the rivet to the fuselage, adding a 1/8" thick, 1/2" diameter
aluminum ring (3/16 hole drilled in the middle) backer to the inside of the
fuselage to add strength. The static line then gets epoxied over the rivet
shank.
Once you verify the IAS is correct, but you still have a problem with TAS
reading high, recommend you talk a look at where you mounted the Dynon OAT
probe. If you have it in a place that is typically hotter than outside or
getting a lot of prop wash (increases temperature), TAS will read high.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Skyview Airspeed Calibration...
--> RV-List message posted by: Linn Walters
I think you're on the right track ..... airspeed is the measurement of
the difference in pressure between the pitot and static. So, it appears
(to me anyway) that the static pressure is in a lower pressure area than
it 'should be'. You should have two static ports, one on each side of
the fuselage about 1/2 way between wing trailing edge and horizontal
stab leading edge. This should be the area of least disturbed air going
by. Having the ports on each side balances the pressures caused by
slipping and sliding. The port should stick out a little to get out of
the laminar air flow along the fuselage.
Since there's no airflow in either the pitot or static lines, a
restricter won't have any effect. The angle of the pitot to relative
airflow will have some effect on the airspeed reading too.
One of our RV-4 pilots (he bought it, not built it) was complaining
about inaccurate airspeed and we found the single static port above and
forward of the wing leading edge on the left fuselage side. It's a
'washer' about 1" dia and 1/16" thick with a small hole in the center.
It's located right where prop wash will really hit it with turbulent
air. He plans on moving it and installing two ports as above.
Linn
On 12/26/2011 10:39 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I've been flying the new 10" Dynon Skyview in the RV-6 for a few weeks now
and it seems like the airspeed is reading maybe 10mph fast. The GS always
reads 10mph or more slower than the True airspeed, no matter which way I fly
with respect to the current wind. Looking through the configuration options
on the Skyview, I'm not seeing parameters to calibrate the airspeed. If the
airspeed were *slow* compared to the GS, I could envision making adjustments
to the Pitot tube to get it in better alignment with slipstream. But *fast*
is a head scratcher. If there's no electronic configuration parameters to
adjust, what do you do? Are there Pitot line "attenuators" like for RF in
coax? ;-)
>
> Matt
>
> -
> Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 42+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer
Mode
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview Airspeed Calibration... |
At 07:40 PM 12/26/2011 Monday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>I've been flying the new 10" Dynon Skyview in the RV-6 for a few weeks now and
it seems like the airspeed is reading maybe 10mph fast. The GS always reads
10mph or more slower than the True airspeed, no matter which way I fly with respect
to the current wind. Looking through the configuration options on the Skyview,
I'm not seeing parameters to calibrate the airspeed. If the airspeed
were *slow* compared to the GS, I could envision making adjustments to the Pitot
tube to get it in better alignment with slipstream. But *fast* is a head scratcher.
If there's no electronic configuration parameters to adjust, what do
you do? Are there Pitot line "attenuators" like for RF in coax? ;-)
>
>Matt
Listers,
Thank you for all the great suggestions on resolving this airspeed issue! I took
a look at the static ports on the RV-6 today and found that they are done using
a flush head screw with a hole drilled in the center on either side of the
fuselage. They do *not* protrude from the side of the plane at all. They are
totally flush (see attached picture). Just for fun, I whipped up a couple
of quick test deals using a 3/16" washer and some electrical tape. I poked a
1/16" hole in the center of the tape and then put the washer centered over the
static ports on both sides of the fuselage (see attached pictures). Then, I
went flying on this beautiful December 27 day in California!
I didn't have time to do any real scientific multi-leg testing, but I was amazed
that the True Airspeed is now falling in a much more believable range compared
to the GPS-derived ground speed. On one cross-country leg, I had an exactly
90 degree crosswind component and the True Airspeed and GPS Ground Speed were
tracking exactly the same. Yahoo!
Obviously I need to do some additional, more scientific measurements and probably
come up with a slightly more "permanent" washer arrangement, but the early
returns are very promising! :-)
Thanks again for all the great feedback!
Matt
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 42+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
>At 09:47 PM 12/27/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
>I have looked at the Dynon stuff up at Arlington Air Show the past two years
>and really like the looks of them. They added autopilot and said last year
>that they were about to announce communications added to their system. A
>single 10" screen to do everything would be pretty easy to install learn to
>operate. Mostly Dynon looks best in the magazines. I guess you get used to
>any of them or they would not all still be in business.
>Pete
I have a Dynon 10" Skyview in the RV-6:
http://www.mattsrv6.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV6&project 43&category=0&log=138164&row=45
http://www.mattsrv6.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV6&project 43&category=0&log=138163&row=46
and a triple GRT HX setup in the RV-8:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log'376&row=134
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log'375&row=135
I've flown the GRT HX setup about 170 hours and the Dynon Skyview system about
45 hours now.
Which do I prefer? That's a tough call. There are parts about each system that
I like a lot...
The installation and configuration of the Dynon is easier. Instructions are also
better. The network cable interconnect system that Dynon uses (I think it
is just RS485, but it works well) is also a no-brainer to install. Their display
(PFD/Engine/Map) are definitely very pretty and demo well.
The GRT is a little harder to get installed, the manual is a little sketchy in
places and there are a LOT of configuration options that can seem daunting at
first. BUT, there is power and utility in those options. If you use them to
your advantage, you can probably do more, better on the GRT compared to the Dynon.
The displays on the GRT don't have the "3D-y", "Windows-y" look to them.
BUT, I think I'm preferring that at this point. Doing a scan on the GRT looking
for something out of the ordinary is quicker and more accurate. I also like
the PFD layout and operation on the GRT better. It feels more "accurate"
and "believable" to me for some reason. I never quite "trust" what I'm seeing
on the Dynon for some reason and I don't know why. Maybe I just need more time
on the Dynon.
So, the Dynon has it for Installation and Configuation, but the GRT has it for
Operation and Presentation as far as I'm concerned. If I was building a new plane,
I think that I would probably go with the GRT. But its a close race. I
really like the Dynon system too.
I guess I'm saying if you're in the market for a full-featured EFIS system, give
GRT and Dynon both very close look before you make your selection. In my opinion,
it comes down to personal preferences in a few select areas on which way
to go. Both systems are top notch.
BTW, Dynon's autopilot add-on for the Skyview which I have in the RV-6 works well.
Its a good autopilot that does the job. The servos are the same as with
the TruTrak system. In the RV-8, I have the TruTrak Digiflight II VSGV system.
The TruTrak is a smoother, more accurate autopilot in my opinion, and I would
go that route again. But, it also costs quite a bit more than just adding
servos to the Dynon or GRT.
$.02
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 42+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview Airspeed Calibration... |
At 07:39 PM 12/26/2011 Monday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>Dear Listers,
>
>I've been flying the new 10" Dynon Skyview in the RV-6 for a few weeks now and
it seems like the airspeed is reading maybe 10mph fast. The GS always reads
10mph or more slower than the True airspeed, no matter which way I fly with respect
to the current wind. Looking through the configuration options on the Skyview,
I'm not seeing parameters to calibrate the airspeed. If the airspeed
were *slow* compared to the GS, I could envision making adjustments to the Pitot
tube to get it in better alignment with slipstream. But *fast* is a head scratcher.
If there's no electronic configuration parameters to adjust, what do
you do? Are there Pitot line "attenuators" like for RF in coax? ;-)
>
>Matt
Listers,
I went flying tonight in the RV-6 around sunset and took some airspeed numbers
flying the four points of the compass. I let each direction normalize for about
2 minutes before taking the readings. I've still got my little black-tape
washer deals on the static ports that I detailed in a previous email.
Do these numbers make any sense?
Emacs!
I set the altimeter to 30.15 (KLVK ATIS). I compared the Dynon altitude with the
Garmin 696 GPS altitude. The Dynon was high by 100 ft. I used the Dynon altitude
adjustment to set it to match the GPS (-100ft). The readings above were
after this adjustment.
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 48+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "M. Marcotte" <m.l.marcotte(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: RV7-List: Re: Dynon Skyview Airspeed Calibration... |
I think one can calculate from the GPS numbers that you had a 14 MPH
(approx) wind from the WNW and you were doing 182 TAS. Your IAS would
appear to be 12 MPH too high.
From: Matt Dralle
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:33 PM
rv7-list(at)matronics.com ; rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV7-List: Re: Dynon Skyview Airspeed Calibration...
At 07:39 PM 12/26/2011 Monday, you wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Dear Listers,
I've been flying the new 10" Dynon Skyview in the RV-6 for a few weeks
now and it seems like the airspeed is reading maybe 10mph fast. The GS
always reads 10mph or more slower than the True airspeed, no matter
which way I fly with respect to the current wind. Looking through the
configuration options on the Skyview, I'm not seeing parameters to
calibrate the airspeed. If the airspeed were *slow* compared to the GS,
I could envision making adjustments to the Pitot tube to get it in
better alignment with slipstream. But *fast* is a head scratcher. If
there's no electronic configuration parameters to adjust, what do you
do? Are there Pitot line "attenuators" like for RF in coax? ;-)
Matt
Listers,
I went flying tonight in the RV-6 around sunset and took some airspeed
numbers flying the four points of the compass. I let each direction
normalize for about 2 minutes before taking the readings. I've still
got my little black-tape washer deals on the static ports that I
detailed in a previous email.
Do these numbers make any sense?
I set the altimeter to 30.15 (KLVK ATIS). I compared the Dynon altitude
with the Garmin 696 GPS altitude. The Dynon was high by 100 ft. I used
the Dynon altitude adjustment to set it to match the GPS (-100ft). The
readings above were after this adjustment.
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 48+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer
Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV10-List: Speaking of Dynon Skyview... |
>At 09:17 PM 12/30/2011 Friday, you wrote:
>Got the VP-200 for safety reasons and pre-VPX era. You may not need it, and that
will free up that space for a IFR screen, if you wish. I will say that the
safety features that the VP uses for mode switches and engine alarms is great!
>
>Pascal
Listers,
I would also highly recommend the Vertical Power VP-200. I wouldn't fly an Experimental
without one. Look how clean Pacscal's panel is without all those switches
and circuit breakers! Nice. Push that Green button once when you get
in, and from then on the VP-200 takes care of turning On and Off all the various
circuits depending on the automatically detected Mode of flight. Startup,
Taxi, Runup, Takeoff, Cruise, Landing, etc. Its pretty darn cool. I've got 172
hours on the RV-8 and 48 hours on the RV-6 both with VP-200 systems and have
found it to work flawlessly. If you're on the fence about buying one, don't
be. You'll love it. Best money I've spent on both RVs, hands down. See attached
pictures of my VP-200 from both the RV-8 and RV-6. The RV-8 has dual alternators
for redundancy and this is supported by the VP-200 and shown as the
"Pri Alt" and "Sec Alt" on the main display.
Pascal, you should contact Vertical power and get the latest software update for
the VP-200 (from early December 2011). It now supports full EMS data link from
the Dynon Skyview so all of the Mode selection is fully automatic. You also
get some of the primary engine instrument display on the VP-200 screen as well
as a myriad of visual and audible engine annunciators. Works great.
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 48+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ralph Finch <ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Re: RV10-List: Speaking of Dynon Skyview... |
Matt, what do you think about the VP-X? It's a lot cheaper but doesn't have
the flight modes or extra display and thus requires all the switches still
(just no circuit breakers).
Ralph Finch
Davis
Listers,
>
> I would also highly recommend the Vertical Power VP-200. I wouldn't fly
> an Experimental without one. Look how clean Pacscal's panel is without all
> those switches and circuit breakers! Nice. Push that Green button once
> when you get in, and from then on the VP-200 takes care of turning On and
> Off all the various circuits depending on the automatically detected Mode
> of flight. Startup, Taxi, Runup, Takeoff, Cruise, Landing, etc. Its
> pretty darn cool. I've got 172 hours on the RV-8 and 48 hours on the RV-6
> both with VP-200 systems and have found it to work flawlessly. If you're
> on the fence about buying one, don't be. You'll love it. Best money I've
> spent on both RVs, hands down. See attached pictures of my VP-200 from
> both the RV-8 and RV-6. The RV-8 has dual alternators for redundancy and
> this is supported by the VP-200 and shown as the "Pri Alt" and "Sec Alt" on
> the main display.
>
> Pascal, you should contact Vertical power and get the latest software
> update for the VP-200 (from early December 2011). It now supports full EMS
> data link from the Dynon Skyview so all of the Mode selection is fully
> automatic. You also get some of the primary engine instrument display on
> the VP-200 screen as well as a myriad of visual and audible engine
> annunciators. Works great.
>
>
> -
> Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 48+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer
> Mode
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV10-List: Speaking of Dynon Skyview... |
Matt;
You are right on!
I pressed Robert at Dynon and Marc at every flyin to get the implementation
of the software. Because of this I have been fortunate to get a early view
of it. It's remains BETA as far as I can tell . Data logging, not in the
Skyview yet, has worked fantastically for me with LOP ops; mode switching?
well, my wife wanted safety, doesn't get more safe than having that
"co-pilot" control each and every step for me. The fly off has been so much
easier with the VP-200, as I set what I want it to do at each mode on the
ground and it gets completed in the air so I dont need to think about it. I
also like the fact that my checklist is on the screen, so no pulling out the
paper list while flying, (ie- "runup mode" kicks in at 1700rpm and mag check
shows difference and results of check; "landing mode" determined by engine
information and checklist comes on, I use a button on my stick to
acknowledge the step and if I get distracted, well, I know where I left off
as it is still highlighted, so I can move on without missing a step- happens
when I use my paper checklist.The warnings for the engine info are also a
great safety item (not in the skyview yet either) when CHT's and EGT exceed
my POH numbers. Lets me focus on flying and not staring at my higher EGTs as
I go lower without thinking about the Mixture- good reminder that I need to
check something. It has not happened but if it ever did.. I have it now with
a female voice telling me "CHECK EGT.. CHECK EGT".
It's a expensive investment, but it's a investment I never regretted,
especially now that it is doing everything I heard it could do.
Dynon and Vertical Power really are customer focused companies. I wish Dynon
would move their capabilities for the Skyview along, and in time I believe
they will have the audio alarms and data logging, they have the VP-X
integration (extra charge applies) which removes the switches and gives that
extra space on the panel, but they will never have the mode changes seen in
the VP-200.
There really is so much the VP-200 does for safety (keyless start, emergency
procedures, electrical triage when battery charge is decreasing (aka
alternator failure)etc) that it would take me a while to cover. If anyone is
wondering what it looks like- check out their Take a flight demo
http://www.verticalpower.com/Take-a-Flight/
and their page.
http://www.verticalpower.com/VP200.html
This forum is to help others.. I preach Desser/Cee baileys because for
custom fit windows they are the best way to go, versus having to do all the
fitting one self and at the same price as Vans sells the pieces.. I gain
nothing with this company nor with telling you my experience with VP-200
other than giving my feedback.
Hope it helps someone.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:32 AM
; rv7-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Speaking of Dynon Skyview...
>At 09:17 PM 12/30/2011 Friday, you wrote:
>Got the VP-200 for safety reasons and pre-VPX era. You may not need it, and
>that will free up that space for a IFR screen, if you wish. I will say that
>the safety features that the VP uses for mode switches and engine alarms
>is great!
>
>Pascal
Listers,
I would also highly recommend the Vertical Power VP-200. I wouldn't fly an
Experimental without one. Look how clean Pacscal's panel is without all
those switches and circuit breakers! Nice. Push that Green button once
when you get in, and from then on the VP-200 takes care of turning On and
Off all the various circuits depending on the automatically detected Mode of
flight. Startup, Taxi, Runup, Takeoff, Cruise, Landing, etc. Its pretty
darn cool. I've got 172 hours on the RV-8 and 48 hours on the RV-6 both
with VP-200 systems and have found it to work flawlessly. If you're on the
fence about buying one, don't be. You'll love it. Best money I've spent on
both RVs, hands down. See attached pictures of my VP-200 from both the RV-8
and RV-6. The RV-8 has dual alternators for redundancy and this is
supported by the VP-200 and shown as the "Pri Alt" and "Sec Alt" on the main
display.
Pascal, you should contact Vertical power and get the latest software update
for the VP-200 (from early December 2011). It now supports full EMS data
link from the Dynon Skyview so all of the Mode selection is fully automatic.
You also get some of the primary engine instrument display on the VP-200
screen as well as a myriad of visual and audible engine annunciators. Works
great.
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 48+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Vertical Power VP-200 and VP-X... |
At 12:48 PM 12/31/2011 Saturday, Ralph Finch wrote:
>Matt, what do you think about the VP-X? It's a lot cheaper but doesn't have the
flight modes or extra display and thus requires all the switches still (just
no circuit breakers).
>
>Ralph Finch
>Davis
The Vertical Power VP-X is definitely a step in the right direction for your typical
Experimental aircraft electrical system. It also allows you to use standard
small signal switches for even the largest of current circuits which saves
space, weight, and money. If the VP-200 didn't exist, there is no question
that I would use the VP-X for my Experimental nerve center.
That being said, the VP-200 adds *so* much more functionality over the VP-X, I
would always recommend it first. The VP-200 truly infuses 21st century technology
with our Experimental aircraft. Given the quality and functionality it brings
to the table, it is exceptionally well priced. If I were on a tight budget,
I would forgo a second GPS, Comm, or EFIS display before I would sacrifice
the functionality provided by the VP-200.
The VP-200 rates a 5 out of 5 in my opinion.
( BTW, I don't get a kick back from Vertical Power; I'm just a very happy, satisfied
and *repeat* customer. :-) )
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 48+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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Hey Matt
You going to the formation clinic this year with your new to you cool RV6? I
see they are asking about you in the clinic web site.
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will you please take me off the list and unsubscribe?
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| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | battery selection |
Has anyone installed the Odyssey PC625 battery? I know that the PC680
is more common, but I'm looking at a dual installation with one battery
forward and the other aft. The 625 is slightly smaller and lighter than
the 680. My 8 will be all electric, no steam gauges, and set up for
day/night VFR, so a dual battery installation makes more sense to me
than a back-up alternator. Seems to me that dual paralleled PC625
batteries should provide plenty of get-home power in case of an
alternator failure, even at night, but my electrical expertise is
limited and I'll take all the help I can get.
While I'm at it, a question re ELT mount locations. I've seen several
mounted on the "hat shelf". This is tempting as it's very
convenient, but the shelf is kinda flimsy. Beef it up? I'm also
looking at possibly mounting it on brackets off the side of the aft
battery box. More complex, but maybe a better choice.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | battery selection |
This is exactly what I have in my 8A (700 hrs), two PC625 batteries.
The
battery has almost identical performance to the PC680 but a much better
form
factor for my install. I have both mounted just aft of the firewall,
one on
each side. I too have an all electric panel. I have done tests to
demonstrate the batteries will support 2 and =BD hours of IFR flight
with no
alternator (the design target). I change out one battery every two
years
just to make sure they are up to snuff (no battery is more than 4 years
old). I have one of the old batteries in my lawn tractor now for 6
years '
and it still cranks it right up after sitting all winter. I also am
using
two PC625s in my RV-10.
I mounted the ELT on the shelf. I also mount a 15 pound tool/survival
bag
on the shelf. It handles both with no issues (max G load so far is 4
from a
poorly executed loop). The ELT antenna is mounted under the empennage
fairing.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan Loer
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: RV8-List: battery selection
Has anyone installed the Odyssey PC625 battery? I know that the PC680
is
more common, but I'm looking at a dual installation with one battery
forward
and the other aft. The 625 is slightly smaller and lighter than the
680.
My 8 will be all electric, no steam gauges, and set up for day/night
VFR, so
a dual battery installation makes more sense to me than a back-up
alternator. Seems to me that dual paralleled PC625 batteries should
provide
plenty of get-home power in case of an alternator failure, even at
night,
but my electrical expertise is limited and I'll take all the help I can
get.
While I'm at it, a question re ELT mount locations. I've seen several
mounted on the "hat shelf". This is tempting as it's very
convenient, but the shelf is kinda flimsy. Beef it up? I'm also
looking
at possibly mounting it on brackets off the side of the aft battery box.
More complex, but maybe a better choice.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: battery selection |
| From: | Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Can't help you on the battery, I've only used the 680.
I'll have all glass and dual LSI in the RV-7, and I'm actually considering
one alt and one battery. Crazy, or just practical? TBD...
In the RV-8, I put my Pointer ELT under the VS. No added structure needed
and helped a little with fwd CG.
Cheers,
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Stan Loer wrote:
> **
> Has anyone installed the Odyssey PC625 battery? I know that the PC680 is
> more common, but I'm looking at a dual installation with one battery
> forward and the other aft. The 625 is slightly smaller and lighter than
> the 680. My 8 will be all electric, no steam gauges, and set up for
> day/night VFR, so a dual battery installation makes more sense to me than a
> back-up alternator. Seems to me that dual paralleled PC625 batteries
> should provide plenty of get-home power in case of an alternator failure,
> even at night, but my electrical expertise is limited and I'll take all the
> help I can get.
>
> While I'm at it, a question re ELT mount locations. I've seen several
> mounted on the "hat shelf". This is tempting as it's very
> convenient, but the shelf is kinda flimsy. Beef it up? I'm also looking
> at possibly mounting it on brackets off the side of the aft battery box.
> More complex, but maybe a better choice.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | battery selection |
No backup battery on a LightSpeed ignition install is not practical.
For no a backup battery system (or one with a back up battery) a dual P-Mags
install is a better approach. If you want, I can tell you the name of the
person I gave my dual Lightspeeds to when I yanked them off my 8A (replaced
with P-Mags). You can get them real cheap.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: battery selection
Can't help you on the battery, I've only used the 680.
I'll have all glass and dual LSI in the RV-7, and I'm actually considering
one alt and one battery. Crazy, or just practical? TBD...
In the RV-8, I put my Pointer ELT under the VS. No added structure needed
and helped a little with fwd CG.
Cheers,
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Stan Loer wrote:
Has anyone installed the Odyssey PC625 battery? I know that the PC680 is
more common, but I'm looking at a dual installation with one battery forward
and the other aft. The 625 is slightly smaller and lighter than the 680.
My 8 will be all electric, no steam gauges, and set up for day/night VFR, so
a dual battery installation makes more sense to me than a back-up
alternator. Seems to me that dual paralleled PC625 batteries should provide
plenty of get-home power in case of an alternator failure, even at night,
but my electrical expertise is limited and I'll take all the help I can get.
While I'm at it, a question re ELT mount locations. I've seen several
mounted on the "hat shelf". This is tempting as it's very
convenient, but the shelf is kinda flimsy. Beef it up? I'm also looking
at possibly mounting it on brackets off the side of the aft battery box.
More complex, but maybe a better choice.
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: battery selection |
| From: | Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I'm already committed to the dual LSI. PMags were still wet behind the
ears when I made the decision.
Alternator is primary, main battery is backup. How is that not practical?
Educate me.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
> No backup battery on a LightSpeed ignition install is not practical. ****
>
>
> For no a backup battery system (or one with a back up battery) a dual
> P-Mags install is a better approach. If you want, I can tell you the name
> of the person I gave my dual Lightspeeds to when I yanked them off my 8A
> (replaced with P-Mags). You can get them real cheap.****
>
>
> Carl****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Bowen
> *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2012 3:03 PM
> *To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV8-List: battery selection****
>
> ** **
>
> Can't help you on the battery, I've only used the 680. ****
>
> ** **
>
> I'll have all glass and dual LSI in the RV-7, and I'm actually considering
> one alt and one battery. Crazy, or just practical? TBD...****
>
> ** **
>
> In the RV-8, I put my Pointer ELT under the VS. No added structure needed
> and helped a little with fwd CG.****
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers,****
>
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> ****
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Stan Loer wrote:****
>
> Has anyone installed the Odyssey PC625 battery? I know that the PC680 is
> more common, but I'm looking at a dual installation with one battery
> forward and the other aft. The 625 is slightly smaller and lighter than
> the 680. My 8 will be all electric, no steam gauges, and set up for
> day/night VFR, so a dual battery installation makes more sense to me than a
> back-up alternator. Seems to me that dual paralleled PC625 batteries
> should provide plenty of get-home power in case of an alternator failure,
> even at night, but my electrical expertise is limited and I'll take all the
> help I can get. ****
>
> ****
>
> While I'm at it, a question re ELT mount locations. I've seen several
> mounted on the "hat shelf". This is tempting as it's very ****
>
> convenient, but the shelf is kinda flimsy. Beef it up? I'm also looking
> at possibly mounting it on brackets off the side of the aft battery box.
> More complex, but maybe a better choice. ****
>
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | battery selection |
In a single alternator, single battery install the battery is primary and
the alternator charges the battery, it is not a backup to the battery. I
few thoughts:
1. Look at where your alternator connects to your battery. I offer
that there are at least two points in the system where a single post failing
(loose, melted, shorted) takes down your entire electrical system. Not long
ago a twin engine plane (two alternators and two batteries) had a total loss
of electrical power when the common post on the master relay failed.
2. Look at the single post for ground on your battery. Again a single
failure will lead to total loss of power.
3. Many alternator installs do not run well without a battery floating
on them for reference (source) voltage. Some do, some don't.
4. For a simple example your master relay fails open. Unless you have
dedicated auxiliary feeds from the battery you have lost all power.
I suspect many dual battery installs have only increase capacity to offer,
not added redundancy. Again the objective is to not have a single failure
bring down all your power. It is the system that counts, not the individual
components.
The most reliable electrical component in your plane is the battery. This
is why I have two batteries feeding independent master relays and dedicated
smaller relays for the panel, and a single alternator. The odds of an
alternator failing (I had two go south in my 8A over the last 9 years) is
way higher than a battery failing in flight. Now if you crank a battery(s)
into the dirt and then take off hoping the alternator will charge it (before
the alternator craps out), you are just asking for trouble.
For a dual Lightspeed install some sort of battery backup for the ignition
is mandatory. The simple Panasonic battery with the diode isolation as
illustrated in Klaus' manual is the bare minimum. It will at least let you
land at the closest runway instead of an engine out landing in a field. For
an all electric panel, redundant power is mandatory as well.
BTW - I took a look at your website link. So you know, the Lightspeed
ignition box generates some heat. As you have them mounted back to back you
might want to give Klaus a call to see if this reduction in heat transfer
surface is a problem or not. In my 8A I had them mounted aft of the fire
wall on spacers to allow air to get at the back of the box. I also had
insulation on the cabin side of the firewall to isolate engine heat.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: battery selection
I'm already committed to the dual LSI. PMags were still wet behind the ears
when I made the decision.
Alternator is primary, main battery is backup. How is that not practical?
Educate me.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
No backup battery on a LightSpeed ignition install is not practical.
For no a backup battery system (or one with a back up battery) a dual P-Mags
install is a better approach. If you want, I can tell you the name of the
person I gave my dual Lightspeeds to when I yanked them off my 8A (replaced
with P-Mags). You can get them real cheap.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: battery selection
Can't help you on the battery, I've only used the 680.
I'll have all glass and dual LSI in the RV-7, and I'm actually considering
one alt and one battery. Crazy, or just practical? TBD...
In the RV-8, I put my Pointer ELT under the VS. No added structure needed
and helped a little with fwd CG.
Cheers,
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Stan Loer wrote:
Has anyone installed the Odyssey PC625 battery? I know that the PC680 is
more common, but I'm looking at a dual installation with one battery forward
and the other aft. The 625 is slightly smaller and lighter than the 680.
My 8 will be all electric, no steam gauges, and set up for day/night VFR, so
a dual battery installation makes more sense to me than a back-up
alternator. Seems to me that dual paralleled PC625 batteries should provide
plenty of get-home power in case of an alternator failure, even at night,
but my electrical expertise is limited and I'll take all the help I can get.
While I'm at it, a question re ELT mount locations. I've seen several
mounted on the "hat shelf". This is tempting as it's very
convenient, but the shelf is kinda flimsy. Beef it up? I'm also looking
at possibly mounting it on brackets off the side of the aft battery box.
More complex, but maybe a better choice.
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | battery selection |
| From: | Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Thanks for the input Carl. You've got me thinking. I was mostly focused
on endurance, I have to admit.
I'm also using a VP-X which accommodates management of a second battery.
So I may decide to take advantage of that.
Klaus is the one that prompted me to consider one alt, one bat. His
website talks about the endurance of your main battery being enough to get
you home.
There are many single points of failure. Some of them are best addressed
by ongoing inspection and maintenance. Belt and suspenders vs simplicity..
.
I changed my LSI mount to allow for some more ventilation. Thanks for the
input.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
>
> In a single alternator, single battery install the battery is primary and
the alternator charges the battery, it is not a backup to the battery. I
few thoughts:
>
> 1. Look at where your alternator connects to your battery. I offer
that there are at least two points in the system where a single post
failing (loose, melted, shorted) takes down your entire electrical system.
Not long ago a twin engine plane (two alternators and two batteries) had a
total loss of electrical power when the common post on the master relay
failed.
>
> 2. Look at the single post for ground on your battery. Again a
single failure will lead to total loss of power.
>
> 3. Many alternator installs do not run well without a battery
floating on them for reference (source) voltage. Some do, some don=92t.
>
> 4. For a simple example your master relay fails open. Unless you
have dedicated auxiliary feeds from the battery you have lost all power.
>
>
> I suspect many dual battery installs have only increase capacity to
offer, not added redundancy. Again the objective is to not have a single
failure bring down all your power. It is the system that counts, not the
individual components.
>
>
> The most reliable electrical component in your plane is the battery.
This is why I have two batteries feeding independent master relays and
dedicated smaller relays for the panel, and a single alternator. The odds
of an alternator failing (I had two go south in my 8A over the last 9
years) is way higher than a battery failing in flight. Now if you crank a
battery(s) into the dirt and then take off hoping the alternator will
charge it (before the alternator craps out), you are just asking for
trouble.
>
>
> For a dual Lightspeed install some sort of battery backup for the
ignition is mandatory. The simple Panasonic battery with the diode
isolation as illustrated in Klaus=92 manual is the bare minimum. It will a
t
least let you land at the closest runway instead of an engine out landing
in a field. For an all electric panel, redundant power is mandatory as
well.
>
>
> BTW ' I took a look at your website link. So you know, the Lightspeed
ignition box generates some heat. As you have them mounted back to back
you might want to give Klaus a call to see if this reduction in heat
transfer surface is a problem or not. In my 8A I had them mounted aft of
the fire wall on spacers to allow air to get at the back of the box. I
also had insulation on the cabin side of the firewall to isolate engine
heat.
>
> Carl
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:57 PM
>
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: battery selection
>
>
> I'm already committed to the dual LSI. PMags were still wet behind the
ears when I made the decision.
>
>
> Alternator is primary, main battery is backup. How is that not
practical? Educate me.
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Carl Froehlich <
carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> wrote:
>
> No backup battery on a LightSpeed ignition install is not practical.
>
> For no a backup battery system (or one with a back up battery) a dual
P-Mags install is a better approach. If you want, I can tell you the name
of the person I gave my dual Lightspeeds to when I yanked them off my 8A
(replaced with P-Mags). You can get them real cheap.
>
> Carl
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:03 PM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: battery selection
>
>
> Can't help you on the battery, I've only used the 680.
>
>
> I'll have all glass and dual LSI in the RV-7, and I'm actually
considering one alt and one battery. Crazy, or just practical? TBD...
>
>
> In the RV-8, I put my Pointer ELT under the VS. No added structure
needed and helped a little with fwd CG.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Stan Loer wrote:
>
> Has anyone installed the Odyssey PC625 battery? I know that the PC680 is
more common, but I'm looking at a dual installation with one battery
forward and the other aft. The 625 is slightly smaller and lighter than
the 680. My 8 will be all electric, no steam gauges, and set up for
day/night VFR, so a dual battery installation makes more sense to me than a
back-up alternator. Seems to me that dual paralleled PC625 batteries
should provide plenty of get-home power in case of an alternator failure,
even at night, but my electrical expertise is limited and I'll take all the
help I can get.
>
>
> While I'm at it, a question re ELT mount locations. I've seen several
mounted on the "hat shelf". This is tempting as it's very
>
> convenient, but the shelf is kinda flimsy. Beef it up? I'm also
looking at possibly mounting it on brackets off the side of the aft battery
box. More complex, but maybe a better choice.
>
>
> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>
> tp://forums.matronics.com
>
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan Loer" <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Battery choice par deaux |
Thanks much for the feedback. It's great to have a pool of expertise to
tap into for us novice builders. Not to belabor the point, but just to
add some specifics not included in my last post: I'll be installing at
least one P-Mag and one E-Mag. Maybe dual P-Mags. Circuit protection
will be through a VPX-Sport. Each battery will feed its own "always
hot" battery bus which will supply the mags and at least the radio. The
Dynon Skyview installation will include the back-up battery option. I
want to be able to turn off both battery master switches and still have
get home power in the unlikely event of a contactor failure. May not
however, be night legal depending on how much complexity I'm willing to
add with back-up circuits.
Stan Loer
RV-8 very slow QB
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| From: | Jim Sherry <jimsherry49(at)gmail.com> |
Matt,
Please take me off the list.
Thanks
Jim
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| From: | Lyle Peterson <lyleap(at)comcast.net> |
Hi,
I am a long time lurker and a sometimes poster.
I have two kits for an RV-6. I have a fresh untouched empennage kit and
an untouched wing kit. I bought these a few years ago with big plans to
have my very own RV-6. I have been a passenger in a couple of them and
they are great airplanes. Time and finances get in the way so I must
part with them.
I am in Minnesota and the kits must be picked up here. I drove to
Birmingham, AL to pick up the wing kit. Freight and crating are
expensive and very time consuming for me. I did put out a feeler for
someone who still had the crates left from a two place build but the
ones who did respond had used the crates to build a bench on which to
build the airplane.
The empennage kit is no longer available from Van's. Everything else is
still available from him.
The parts are all there. I haven't inventoried them in detail but the
ribs, aluminum extrusions, flying surface tips and sheet metal are
there. There is a huge bag which contains many small bags of parts,
rivets, bolts, and fittings. There are two lengths of aluminum angle
about 14' long which is why shipping is difficult. They will fit in a
full size van with a little care and coercing.
I am asking $3250.00 for the two kits. I will vehemently resist
separating them or parting them out. Van's has replacement parts if you
need individual parts. For a major repair this might be the ticket for you.
If you, or anyone you know, have any interest respond to me directly.
Thank you,
--
Lyle Peterson, EAA, PGR, AOPA, AAE,
MBS, AMA, MSCE, EAA Chapter 237
--
Lyle Peterson, EAA, PGR, AOPA, AAE,
MBS, AMA, MSCE, EAA Chapter 237
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lyle Peterson <lyleap(at)comcast.net> |
After some research I've decided my original price of $5000 was more in
line with the market.
On 1/31/2012 5:31 PM, Lyle Peterson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am a long time lurker and a sometimes poster.
>
> I have two kits for an RV-6. I have a fresh untouched empennage kit
> and an untouched wing kit. I bought these a few years ago with big
> plans to have my very own RV-6. I have been a passenger in a couple
> of them and they are great airplanes. Time and finances get in the
> way so I must part with them.
>
> I am in Minnesota and the kits must be picked up here. I drove to
> Birmingham, AL to pick up the wing kit. Freight and crating are
> expensive and very time consuming for me. I did put out a feeler for
> someone who still had the crates left from a two place build but the
> ones who did respond had used the crates to build a bench on which to
> build the airplane.
>
> The empennage kit is no longer available from Van's. Everything else
> is still available from him.
>
> The parts are all there. I haven't inventoried them in detail but the
> ribs, aluminum extrusions, flying surface tips and sheet metal are
> there. There is a huge bag which contains many small bags of parts,
> rivets, bolts, and fittings. There are two lengths of aluminum angle
> about 14' long which is why shipping is difficult. They will fit in a
> full size van with a little care and coercing.
>
> I am asking $3250.00 for the two kits. I will vehemently resist
> separating them or parting them out. Van's has replacement parts if
> you need individual parts. For a major repair this might be the
> ticket for you.
>
> If you, or anyone you know, have any interest respond to me directly.
>
> Thank you,
> --
> Lyle Peterson, EAA, PGR, AOPA, AAE,
> MBS, AMA, MSCE, EAA Chapter 237
> --
> Lyle Peterson, EAA, PGR, AOPA, AAE,
> MBS, AMA, MSCE, EAA Chapter 237
> *
>
>
> *
--
Lyle Peterson, EAA, PGR, AOPA, AAE,
MBS, AMA, MSCE, EAA Chapter 237
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| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Rear rudder pedals |
I purchased the rear rudder pedal option, but I=99m not sure I
want to bother with them. Looks like a hokey setup to me, and
I=99m not sure they=99re worth the time and effort. Some
threads on other sites seem to support that conclusion. Am I missing
something?
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
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| From: | George <at6c(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear rudder pedals |
Stan,
I never installed mine. They will only be in your way in the front
seat. When I am flying by myself the foot wells make nice storage
compartments for wallets, cases, etc.
Regards
George
On 2/24/2012 1:54 PM, stazel(at)cpros.com wrote:
> I purchased the rear rudder pedal option, but Im not sure I want to
> bother with them. Looks like a hokey setup to me, and Im not sure
> theyre worth the time and effort. Some threads on other sites seem
> to support that conclusion. Am I missing something?
> Stan Loer
> RV-8 QB
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | <geezer02(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear rudder pedals |
I put mine in just for some training to my wife. They are relative easy to remove
when done and easy to install..
Louis Dunn RV-8 N18LD
---- stazel(at)cpros.com wrote:
> I purchased the rear rudder pedal option, but Im not sure I want to bother with
them. Looks like a hokey setup to me, and Im not sure theyre worth the time
and effort. Some threads on other sites seem to support that conclusion. Am
I missing something?
>
> Stan Loer
> RV-8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Rear rudder pedals |
I agree they are easy to remove once the bracket is installed during your
build. The only time they might get in the way is if you have someone with
big boots on in the back seat. You have to make sure you trian that perso
n to keep their feet (toes) out against the fuselage skins during take off
and landing. You can still us the foot wells for storage when flying by yo
urself.
> Date: Fri=2C 24 Feb 2012 15:28:45 -0600
> From: geezer02(at)windstream.net
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Rear rudder pedals
>
>
> I put mine in just for some training to my wife. They are relative easy t
o remove when done and easy to install..
> Louis Dunn RV-8 N18LD
>
>
> ---- stazel(at)cpros.com wrote:
> > I purchased the rear rudder pedal option=2C but I=92m not sure I want t
o bother with them. Looks like a hokey setup to me=2C and I=92m not sure t
hey=92re worth the time and effort. Some threads on other sites seem to su
pport that conclusion. Am I missing something?
> >
> > Stan Loer
> > RV-8 QB
>
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| Subject: | Rear rudder pedals |
| From: | Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I also bought them, but never installed them. Never missed them either...
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Feb 24, 2012 5:30 PM, "Paul Rice" wrote:
> I agree they are easy to remove once the bracket is installed during
> your build. The only time they might get in the way is if you have someo
ne
> with big boots on in the back seat. You have to make sure you trian that
> person to keep their feet (toes) out against the fuselage skins during ta
ke
> off and landing. You can still us the foot wells for storage when flying
> by yourself.
>
> > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:28:45 -0600
> > From: geezer02(at)windstream.net
> > To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV8-List: Rear rudder pedals
> >
> >
> > I put mine in just for some training to my wife. They are relative easy
> to remove when done and easy to install..
> > Louis Dunn RV-8 N18LD
> >
> >
> > ---- stazel(at)cpros.com wrote:
> > > I purchased the rear rudder pedal option, but I=92m not sure I want t
o
> bother with them. Looks like a hokey setup to me, and I=92m not sure they
=92re
> worth the time and effort. Some threads on other sites seem to support th
at
> conclusion. Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > Stan Loer
> &g======================
> >
> >
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| From: | Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear rudder pedals |
I bought them and installed the brackets, but will probably not install the
"pedals." =C2-I am thinking of fabbing a control stick lock that would a
ttach to them. =C2-Still a fuzzy thought way back on the back burner, tho
ugh. =C2-(Note: I'm not flying yet, so that's the main focus.)=0A=C2-
=0ABart Filipiak=0Abfilipiak(at)yahoo.com=0A(660) 851-4474=0A=0A=0A___________
_____________________=0A From: Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com>=0ATo: rv8-
list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:19 PM=0ASubject: RE
: RV8-List: Rear rudder pedals=0A =0A=0AI also bought them, but never insta
lled them.=C2- Never missed them either...=0A-=0ALarry Bowen=0ALarry@Bowe
nAero.com=0Ahttp://BowenAero.com=0AOn Feb 24, 2012 5:30 PM, "Paul Rice" wrote:=0A=0A=C2-I agree they are easy to remove once the b
racket is installed during your build.=C2- The only time they might=C2-
get in the way is if you have someone with big boots on in the back seat.
=C2-=C2-You have to make=C2-sure you trian that person to keep their
=C2-feet (toes) out against the=C2-fuselage skins during take off and l
anding.=C2- You can still us the foot wells for storage when flying by yo
urself.=C2- =0A>=C2-=0A>=0A>> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:28:45 -0600=0A>
> From: geezer02(at)windstream.net=0A>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com=0A>> Subjec
t: Re: RV8-List: Rear rudder pedals=0A>> =0A>> --> RV8-List message posted
by: =0A>> =0A>> I put mine in just for some traini
ng to my wife. They are relative easy to remove when done and easy to insta
ll..=0A>> Louis Dunn RV-8 N18LD=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> ---- stazel(at)cpros.com wrot
e: =0A>> > I purchased the rear rudder pedal option, but I=99m not su
re I want to bother with them. Looks like a hokey setup to me, and I
=99m not sure they=99re worth the time and effort. Some threads on o
ther sites seem to support that conclusion. Am I missing something?=0A>> >
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear rudder pedals |
I installed because they were required for my formation flight training. Ea
sy to remove.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Feb 24, 2012, at 6:47 PM, "Bart Filipiak" > wrote:
I bought them and installed the brackets, but will probably not install the
"pedals." I am thinking of fabbing a control stick lock that would attach
to them. Still a fuzzy thought way back on the back burner, though. (Not
e: I'm not flying yet, so that's the main focus.)
Bart Filipiak
bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com
(660) 851-4474
________________________________
From: Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com<mailto:larry(at)bowenaero.com>>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Rear rudder pedals
I also bought them, but never installed them. Never missed them either...
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Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
<http://BowenAero.com>http://BowenAero.com
On Feb 24, 2012 5:30 PM, "Paul Rice" <rice737(at)msn.c
om> wrote:
I agree they are easy to remove once the bracket is installed during your
build. The only time they might get in the way is if you have someone with
big boots on in the back seat. You have to make sure you trian that perso
n to keep their feet (toes) out against the fuselage skins during take off
and landing. You can still us the foot wells for storage when flying by yo
urself.
> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:28:45 -0600
> From: <mailto:geezer02(at)windstream.net> geezer02(at)windstream.net<mailto:gee
zer02(at)windstream.net>
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Rear rudder pedals
>
(at)windstream.net>
>
> I put mine in just for some training to my wife. They are relative easy t
o remove when done and easy to install..
> Louis Dunn RV-8 N18LD
>
>
> ---- stazel(at)cpros.com
wrote:
> > I purchased the rear rudder pedal option, but I=92m not sure I want to
bother with them. Looks like a hokey setup to me, and I=92m not sure they
=92re worth the time and effort. Some threads on other sites seem to suppor
t that conclusion. Am I missing something?
> >
> > Stan Loer
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| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Dynon Pitch A/P Servo Mount |
Recently received the A/P servo installation kits and must say I
expected a bit more for the money. I figured the pitch brackets would
be predrilled and attach hardware included. Oh well. It looks like
portions of the bulkhead flanges at bottom center will have to be
trimmed back so that the brackets lay flat. Nothing about this in the
installation instructions. Is this OK? Also, I figure 2 #10 bolts
through each bracket should be plenty to attach them to the airframe.
Am I headed the right direction here?
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Pitch A/P Servo Mount |
| From: | japhillipsga(at)aol.com |
Stan, backup and review this again. I believe Dynon has mounts predrilled b
y plane type. I used Trio AP servo mount in my RV-8a and it fit like a glov
e. Look again. Fittings near perfect with plenty of instructions and diagra
ms and such is the industry standard for these systems. Anything else shoul
d raise a flag of concern, Best of luck, Bill RV-8A 45 hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: stazel <stazel(at)cpros.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 2:47 pm
Subject: RV8-List: Dynon Pitch A/P Servo Mount
Recently received the A/P servo installation kits and must say I expected a
bit more for the money. I figured the pitch brackets would be predrilled
and attach hardware included. Oh well. It looks like portions of the bulk
head flanges at bottom center will have to be trimmed back so that the brac
kets lay flat. Nothing about this in the installation instructions. Is th
is OK? Also, I figure 2 #10 bolts through each bracket should be plenty to
attach them to the airframe. Am I headed the right direction here?
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Pirep On Rod End Bearing Tool... |
Fellow Builders,
I building a new rudder for 'ol Ruby Vixen and was pondering how to install the
rod end bearings after the leading edge is formed. I think I did it the first
time with a pliers or something that kind of scatched the bearing and ran the
risk of tweaking the leading edge. I was surfing around on Flyboy Accessories
this week and found this sweet Rod End Bearing Tool. It arrived today and
I can't believe how awesome it is. It totally works as good as you would imagine.
Order one today!! You won't be sorry.
(No connection with FB or the tool maker; just a really impressed owner.)
http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=70&products_id=408
Rod End Bearing Tool - Click Image to Close
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 70+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pirep On Rod End Bearing Tool... |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
Avery tool has sold this one for years.... I used in on my RV-4 and it's be
en flying for over 10 years.
http://www.averytools.com/prodinfo.asp?number=408
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:00 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Fellow Builders,
>
> I building a new rudder for 'ol Ruby Vixen and was pondering how to instal
l the rod end bearings after the leading edge is formed. I think I did it t
he first time with a pliers or something that kind of scatched the bearing a
nd ran the risk of tweaking the leading edge. I was surfing around on Flybo
y Accessories this week and found this sweet Rod End Bearing Tool. It arriv
ed today and I can't believe how awesome it is. It totally works as good as
you would imagine. Order one today!! You won't be sorry.
>
> (No connection with FB or the tool maker; just a really impressed owner.)
>
> http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&
cPath=70&products_id=408
>
>
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 70+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mo
de
>
>
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Baffles with a James Cowl |
Does anyone have photos of a Baffle system used with a James cowl? I have o
ne on my 8A (works well) but the transition could be a lot better and I am
looking for ideas.
Thanks,
Robin
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| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
I=99m planning to run my tail wiring through conduit and would
prefer not to use the stuff I got with Van=99s basic wiring kit.
Seems awfully bulky to me; I would prefer something smaller in diameter.
I=99ll have 2 runs; one each for trim and AeroLED
strobe/position light wiring. Any options, including automotive
sources? While I=99m at it, I=99m also looking for the best
way to route the trim wiring, especially getting through the F811
bulkhead. All suggestions thankfully received.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
At 11:45 AM 4/3/2012 Tuesday, you wrote:
>I'm planning to run my tail wiring through conduit and would prefer not to use
the stuff I got with Van's basic wiring kit. Seems awfully bulky to me; I would
prefer something smaller in diameter. I'll have 2 runs; one each for trim
and AeroLED strobe/position light wiring. Any options, including automotive
sources? While I'm at it, I'm also looking for the best way to route the trim
wiring, especially getting through the F811 bulkhead. All suggestions thankfully
received.
>
>Stan Loer
>RV-8 QB
Hi Stan,
Attached are some pictures of my RV-8 tail cone with the wiring bundle going back
to the empennage. I have the GS/VOR antenna coax, ELT antenna coax, two bundles
for the dual Magnometers, static air line, and the elevator trim motor and
position wires in a bundle along the left longeron at the top. I used spiral
wrap to bundle the whole thing together then a few wire ties to hold it in
place. Similar to this on Digikey:
http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/SW43%20BK008/ASW43-25-ND/1522507
It comes in a variety of diameters and I use it all over to tie bundles of wire
together to make things neater and stronger. If you want to add another wire
down the road, just unwrap it add the wire, and wrap it back up. They even have
a Teflon version that works great around the engine cylinders.
Recommend.
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 80+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/02/12 |
You didn't use a plenum?
The only James cowls I've seen on RVs use the James plenum or a custom made
one.
I suppose one could use baffles, but it seems to defeat the purpose of
controlling the airflow so as to reduce drag.
I assume you are referring to the transition from intake opening to the
inside upper cowl surface.. You could make some ramps to smooth the airflow
during transition. If fact, I think you would want to have some type of
transition ramp otherwise the airflow will become very turbulent just inside
the intake thus creating excessive drag and reducing cooling.
I didn't use the James cowl but I made a plenum with upper and lower ramps
to direct the airflow. I also made a removable, resizeable air dam in
front of #2 cylinder that is easy to adjust to change temps. You can take a
look on my web site at rv-8a.net.
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 4/3/2012 3:02:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Does anyone have photos of a Baffle system used with a James cowl? I have o
ne on my 8A (works well) but the transition could be a lot better and I am
looking for ideas.
Thanks,
Robin
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/02/12 |
Stan,
I am very familiar with your work good (speed) doctor!
I had a plenum on 8A. Worked fine but began to eat itself up. I have a FG p
lenum on my -10. Hate that one too! I am d.o.n.e with plenums.
We swapped out the plenum for a baffle system on the 8A and used the same i
nlets from the plenum for the new system. I am MUCH happier with this set u
p. Fresh out of the box I am getting great temps and speed with none of the
plenum issue (mostly access). And the baffles are not closed to sealed yet
. Again glad I mad the change.
My problem is that the inlets we built are all FG and they need a bit of re
inforcement as one got crushed by a hose clamp and the other is a bit misal
igned due the new baffles and a fresh engine. BTW the engine is and 200 Hp
IO-360 and it rips!
I was looking for any ideas out of the box. I will still continue to review
what's out there but I think we have decided to trim back and reinforce ou
r units. Make a longer flex transition piece and see how that works out.
I have a similar resizable air dam system on both my RV's. Think I got the
idea from you...
Thanks,
Robin
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:53 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/02/12
You didn't use a plenum?
The only James cowls I've seen on RVs use the James plenum or a custom made
one.
I suppose one could use baffles, but it seems to defeat the purpose of cont
rolling the airflow so as to reduce drag.
I assume you are referring to the transition from intake opening to the ins
ide upper cowl surface.. You could make some ramps to smooth the airflow d
uring transition. If fact, I think you would want to have some type of tra
nsition ramp otherwise the airflow will become very turbulent just inside t
he intake thus creating excessive drag and reducing cooling.
I didn't use the James cowl but I made a plenum with upper and lower ramps
to direct the airflow. I also made a removable, resizeable air dam in fron
t of #2 cylinder that is easy to adjust to change temps. You can take a lo
ok on my web site at rv-8a.net.
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 4/3/2012 3:02:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rv8-list@ma
tronics.com writes:
Does anyone have photos of a Baffle system used with a James cowl? I have o
ne on my 8A (works well) but the transition could be a lot better and I am
looking for ideas.
Thanks,
Robin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rollin Young" <noah(at)acsalaska.net> |
| Subject: | ELT antenna location RV8A |
I am replacing the old 121.5 ELT with a 406 in my RV8A. The old antenna
was under the empennage fairing. The new antenna is longer and
doesn=99t fit as good in that location and I am thinking there
might be a better location. With the sliding canopy I am scratching my
head. Where are others putting their antenna? Thanks Rollin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vincent Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com> |
| Subject: | ELT antenna location RV8A |
Wingtip
Vince H. (WA/ID)
RV8 N8432 100hrs
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rollin Young
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: RV8-List: ELT antenna location RV8A
I am replacing the old 121.5 ELT with a 406 in my RV8A. The old antenna
was under the empennage fairing. The new antenna is longer and
doesn=99t fit as good in that location and I am thinking there
might be a better location. With the sliding canopy I am scratching my
head. Where are others putting their antenna? Thanks Rollin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
Can a ground path generate enough EMF to adversely affect a
magnetometer? I had planned to use the upper longerons as the ground
path for the elevator trim and tail strobe/position light wiring, but
I=99m mounting the Dynon Skyview ADAHRS on a bracket bridging the
longerons, bringing the two in close proximity. Makes me wonder if I
would be better off running separate ground wires.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
At 03:39 PM 4/8/2012 Sunday, you wrote:
>Can a ground path generate enough EMF to adversely affect a magnetometer? I had
planned to use the upper longerons as the ground path for the elevator trim
and tail strobe/position light wiring, but I'm mounting the Dynon Skyview ADAHRS
on a bracket bridging the longerons, bringing the two in close proximity.
Makes me wonder if I would be better off running separate ground wires.
>
>Stan Loer
>RV-8 QB
Hi Stan,
Always run separate ground wires. I never depend on the airframe for grounding
anything. I bring all of the ground wires up to a single point behind the panel.
I ZERO and I mean ZERO alternator noise in my headphones.
$.02
I mounted my Dynon Magomenter/AHRS right behind the elevator bellcrank on the RV-6.
The compass swings a far amount when I move the elevator though full-throws.
In contrast, in the RV-8, I mounted the magnometers under the vertical fin
and had no problems with erroneous movements or alignment.
$.02
Matt
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 80+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | elevator trim servo wiring |
Has anyone routed the servo trim wire bundle out the elevator butt rib?
I don=99t think that the wire and jackshaft trying to share the
same hole is a good idea, and am reluctant to add a dedicated exit hole
to the spar even if I could at this point. I=99m thinking of a
hole as small as possible centered on the forward lightening hole in the
elevator horn weldment. I can=99t see any problems, but what do I
know? All comments thankfully received.
Stan Loer
RV8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca> |
I would like a little larger nose wheel than the standard. Anyone know
it this has been done before?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12 |
I haven't heard of one, but I've often wondered about it. It would
require quite a bit of work.
Do you want it for soft fields?
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 4/27/2012 3:03:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
I would like a little larger nose wheel than the standard. Anyone know
it this has been done before?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12 |
yes that was my thinking, I have an angle valve IO-360, so little extra
weight up front.
My home airport is paved, but several in the area are grass, and not
quite so smooth as pavement.
Wondering if the RV10 nose fork might be compatible but I don=99t
know what size of tire it uses.
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:03 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
I haven't heard of one, but I've often wondered about it. It would
require quite a bit of work.
Do you want it for soft fields?
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 4/27/2012 3:03:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
I would like a little larger nose wheel than the standard. Anyone
know
it this has been done before?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12 |
The RV-10 nose gear is the same size as the 8A main gear =93 and
in my opinion way too big for the 8A. I=99ve landed my 8A on many
grass strips without a problem.
Carl
RV-8A (800 hrs)
RV-10 (FSDO comes May 23rd for sign off)
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Fox
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
yes that was my thinking, I have an angle valve IO-360, so little extra
weight up front.
My home airport is paved, but several in the area are grass, and not
quite so smooth as pavement.
Wondering if the RV10 nose fork might be compatible but I don=99t
know what size of tire it uses.
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:03 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
I haven't heard of one, but I've often wondered about it. It would
require quite a bit of work.
Do you want it for soft fields?
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 4/27/2012 3:03:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
I would like a little larger nose wheel than the standard. Anyone know
it this has been done before?
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Fuel vent modification |
Here is a simple way to keep mud-dabbers from clogging your fuel vent.
I
think more than one RV has collapsed a fuel tank from a clogged vent.
Take a few inches of 3/8=94 aluminum tubing, cut one end at 45 degrees
or so,
then JB Weld on a piece of aluminum window screen material. Once the JB
Weld is cured, clean up the edge on a ScotchBrite wheel or similar. Do
a =BE=94
cut in the other end for a hose clamp, then slide this over the now
somewhat
shortened standard =BC=94 vent tubing. Have the =BC=94 tubing extend
well past
where the clamp goes.
Carl
RV-8A (800 hours)
RV-10 (FSDO comes to inspect May 23rd)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12 |
thanks for the reply. Will ponder this for a while.
From: Carl Froehlich
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
The RV-10 nose gear is the same size as the 8A main gear =93 and
in my opinion way too big for the 8A. I=99ve landed my 8A on many
grass strips without a problem.
Carl
RV-8A (800 hrs)
RV-10 (FSDO comes May 23rd for sign off)
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Fox
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
yes that was my thinking, I have an angle valve IO-360, so little extra
weight up front.
My home airport is paved, but several in the area are grass, and not
quite so smooth as pavement.
Wondering if the RV10 nose fork might be compatible but I don=99t
know what size of tire it uses.
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:03 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
I haven't heard of one, but I've often wondered about it. It would
require quite a bit of work.
Do you want it for soft fields?
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 4/27/2012 3:03:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
I would like a little larger nose wheel than the standard. Anyone
know
it this has been done before?
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV8-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums
.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m
atronics.com/c
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
p://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Ciolino" <JohnCiolino(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel vent modification |
An alternate method: flare the end of the tube, cut a circular patch of
flexible fiberglass screening and make radial cuts leaving center =BC=94
uncut.
The cuts will allow you to wrap the screen around the tube overlapping
the
cut pieces. Secure the screen with a piece of shrink tubing.
Easy to do, lasts a long time (2 years so far on my -8) but can be
easily
replaced if necessary.
John Ciolino
RV-8
N894Y
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:54 PM
rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: Fuel vent modification
Here is a simple way to keep mud-dabbers from clogging your fuel vent.
I
think more than one RV has collapsed a fuel tank from a clogged vent.
Take a few inches of 3/8=94 aluminum tubing, cut one end at 45 degrees
or so,
then JB Weld on a piece of aluminum window screen material. Once the JB
Weld is cured, clean up the edge on a ScotchBrite wheel or similar. Do
a =BE=94
cut in the other end for a hose clamp, then slide this over the now
somewhat
shortened standard =BC=94 vent tubing. Have the =BC=94 tubing extend
well past
where the clamp goes.
Carl
RV-8A (800 hours)
RV-10 (FSDO comes to inspect May 23rd)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Nose Tire |
I agree with Carl. I'm not sure it is worth the effort to switch to a
larger nose tire. I've landed on grass runways without a problem. I use soft
field techniques on all turf runways.
Are you brave enough to ask Van his opinion about switching nose tire
size? : )
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 4/30/2012 3:04:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
thanks for the reply. Will ponder this for a while.
From: Carl Froehlich
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
The RV-10 nose gear is the same size as the 8A main gear =93 and
in my opinion way too big for the 8A. I=99ve landed my 8A on many
grass strips without a problem.
Carl
RV-8A (800 hrs)
RV-10 (FSDO comes May 23rd for sign off)
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Fox
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
yes that was my thinking, I have an angle valve IO-360, so little extra
weight up front.
My home airport is paved, but several in the area are grass, and not
quite so smooth as pavement.
Wondering if the RV10 nose fork might be compatible but I don=99t
know what size of tire it uses.
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:03 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
I haven't heard of one, but I've often wondered about it. It would
require quite a bit of work.
Do you want it for soft fields?
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 4/27/2012 3:03:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
I would like a little larger nose wheel than the standard. Anyone
know
it this has been done before?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Nose Tire |
I did ask and the response was that there was no approved change-up that
they were aware of.
My main thought was that on rough fields a larger nose wheel would
handle the bumps better.
Not all turf strips are as smooth as we would like them to be.
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8 Nose Tire
I agree with Carl. I'm not sure it is worth the effort to switch to a
larger nose tire. I've landed on grass runways without a problem. I
use soft field techniques on all turf runways.
Are you brave enough to ask Van his opinion about switching nose tire
size? : )
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 4/30/2012 3:04:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
thanks for the reply. Will ponder this for a while.
From: Carl Froehlich
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
The RV-10 nose gear is the same size as the 8A main gear =93 and
in my opinion way too big for the 8A. I=99ve landed my 8A on many
grass strips without a problem.
Carl
RV-8A (800 hrs)
RV-10 (FSDO comes May 23rd for sign off)
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Fox
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
yes that was my thinking, I have an angle valve IO-360, so little
extra
weight up front.
My home airport is paved, but several in the area are grass, and not
quite so smooth as pavement.
Wondering if the RV10 nose fork might be compatible but I don=99t
know what size of tire it uses.
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:03 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12
I haven't heard of one, but I've often wondered about it. It would
require quite a bit of work.
Do you want it for soft fields?
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 4/27/2012 3:03:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
I would like a little larger nose wheel than the standard. Anyone
know
it this has been done before?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Nose Tire |
Also load for an aft CG for less weight on the nose wheel.=0A-=0AScott-
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Dennis Fox <dennisfox@pe
rsona.ca>=0ATo: rv8-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:33
PM=0ASubject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8 Nose Tire=0A =0A=0AI did ask and the r
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.=0AMy main thought was that on rough fields a larger nose wheel would hand
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1:31 PM=0ATo: rv8-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: RV8-List: Re: RV8 Nose Tir
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Will ponder this for a while.=0A>=0A>From: Carl Froehlich =0A>Sent: Friday,
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1 Msgs - 04/26/12=0A>=0A>The RV-10 nose gear is the same size =0A as the
8A main gear =93 and =0A>in my opinion way too big for the 8A.- =0A I
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=0A>Carl=0A>=0A>RV-8A (800 hrs)=0A>=0A>RV-10 (FSDO comes May 23rd for =0A
sign off)=0A>=0A>=0A>From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A>[mailto:
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Friday, April 27, 2012 9:14 PM=0A>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: =0A RV8-List
Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/26/12=0A>=0A>=0A>yes that was my thinking, I have =0A
an angle valve IO-360, so little extra =0A>weight up front.=0A>=0A>My home
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so =0A smooth as pavement. =0A>=0A>Wondering if the RV10 nose fork might
be =0A compatible but I don=99t =0A>know what size of tire it uses.=0A>
=0A>=0A>From: =0A Speedy11(at)aol.com =0A>=0A>Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:
03 =0A AM=0A>=0A>=0A>Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - =0A
04/26/12=0A>=0A>=0A>I haven't heard of one, but I've often wondered about
=0A it.- It would =0A>require quite a bit of work.=0A>=0A>Do you want it
for =0A soft fields?=0A>=0A>Stan Sutterfield=0A>=0A>=0A>In a message date
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======================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Nose Tire |
Concur. Virtually all turf runways are not as smooth as we'd like.
I follow your train of thought regarding the nose wheel and there is merit
to the idea. But, using the correct techniques - I believe you will not
have any problem with the 5.00x5 tire. And the change to 6.00x6 will be
laborious.
I added a "skid plate" to the leading edge of my nose wheel yoke to help
prevent the dig-in that has flipped several RVs. Details available if
you're interested.
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 5/3/2012 3:03:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
I did ask and the response was that there was no approved change-up that
they were aware of.
My main thought was that on rough fields a larger nose wheel would
handle the bumps better.
Not all turf strips are as smooth as we would like them to be.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Nose Tire |
thanks to all that responded, I have plenty of time to think about it,
leaving of vacation tomorrow for 3 weeks. TTFN
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 8:46 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8 Nose Tire
Concur. Virtually all turf runways are not as smooth as we'd like.
I follow your train of thought regarding the nose wheel and there is
merit to the idea. But, using the correct techniques - I believe you
will not have any problem with the 5.00x5 tire. And the change to
6.00x6 will be laborious.
I added a "skid plate" to the leading edge of my nose wheel yoke to help
prevent the dig-in that has flipped several RVs. Details available if
you're interested.
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 5/3/2012 3:03:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
I did ask and the response was that there was no approved change-up
that
they were aware of.
My main thought was that on rough fields a larger nose wheel would
handle the bumps better.
Not all turf strips are as smooth as we would like them to be.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Wiring Connectors |
It looks like I will have a need for several connectors/terminal strips
that can =9Csplit=9D a single power input to multiple
outputs. I=99m thinking position and strobe light wiring from
single VP-X output pins to AeroLED wing tips and rudder lights for
example. Anything out there that will do that? I can fab my own, but
would just as soon not have to start from scratch.
Stan Loer
RV8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ALBERT THOMAS <althomas454(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Wiring Connectors |
Stan=2C
You might want to give SteinAir a call. They have a good supply of terminal
strips and wiring supplies. They are great to work with and I highly recom
mend them.
http://steinair.com 877-STEINAIR (877-783-4624)
Al Thomas
From: stazel(at)cpros.com
Subject: RV8-List: Wiring Connectors
Date: Fri=2C 4 May 2012 11:43:00 -0700
It looks like I will have a need for several connectors/terminal strips
that can =93split=94 a single power input to multiple outputs. I=92m think
ing
position and strobe light wiring from single VP-X output pins to AeroLED wi
ng
tips and rudder lights for example. Anything out there that will do
that? I can fab my own=2C but would just as soon not have to start from
scratch.
Stan
Loer
RV8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wiring Connectors |
Stan,
I can't recall needing a single-to-multiple or multiple-to-single
electrical connection during building. Seems like I brought all three position
lights to a single terminal on the switch. But, of course, the VPX may
require totally different wiring.
It should be relatively easy to construct, but Stein will surely have what
you need. He's also agreeable to a phone call.
Stan Sutterfield
_www.rv-8a.net_ (http://www.rv-8a.net)
PS - I remember now that I did have a terminal strip at the tail so as to
bring all the grounds into a single wire. Don't remember where I bought it
but I'm sure an internet search will provide sources.
In a message dated 5/5/2012 12:05:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
It looks like I will have a need for several connectors/terminal strips
that can =9Csplit=9D a single power input to multiple
outputs. I=99m thinking position and strobe light wiring from
single VP-X output pins to AeroLED wing tips and rudder lights for
example. Anything out there that will do that? I can fab my own, but
would just as soon not have to start from scratch.
Stan Loer
RV8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
All,
Cleaning off the shelf now that the plane is flying. A few things I'd like
to sell:
1. Niagara 20006A oil cooler (Van's part #EA OIL COOLER 20006A). New
in the box from Van's, still in bubble wrap. Van's price $393.50. My price
$300 plus shipping.
2. Throttle/Mixture cable bracket (Van's part # VA-182-PC KIT). New in
the bag. Van's price $23.50, my price $18 plus shipping.
3. Throttle cable (Van's part # CT BLK THROTTLE 47.5), Fitted once but
then removed. Van's price $62.50, my price $45 plus shipping.
Carl
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Several unrelated questions |
Am laying out the electrical/avionics systems wiring and keep dropping
into =9Cdon=99t know=9D holes. Maybe I can tap into
some expertise? All comments thankfully received. Hope I can pay it
forward someday.
1. Originally settled on the ACK E-04 ELT, but now looking hard at the
Ameri-King AK451-2D. Similar price and appears more =9Cantenna
installation=9D friendly. Planning on the Front Seatback Support
location I=99ve seen other builders use for the antenna mount. At
15=9D long, it appears that I might even be able to install the
whip without canopy interference but not sure about that. Probably go
with the rubber ducky.
2. Would appreciate any VP-X installation photos that might be
available. I=99ve got a tentative location identified, but it
appears a bit tight.
3. Dynon Skyview: My glass panel planning BDS included a dedicated
EMS. I still prefer that. I like the idea of a dedicated engine
display. I=99m considering the MGL mini-EMS. However,
it=99s tough to justify the extra expense even though there is
space on the panel.
Maybe it=99s just years of flying experience with separated flight
and engine steam gauges. I=99ll be day/night VFR if
that=99s any significance.
4. Really embarrassing. I want to check the trim servo, but
haven=99t figured out the RayCo wiring diagram. Individual servo
wires are not identified. A continuity check didn=99t help.
Thought that the white wires would be +12V with one of the 3 wires going
to the indicator providing the ground. Doesn=99t seem to work
that way. Curses, foiled again.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Several unrelated questions |
| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Ack is fine. Mount the supplied ELT antenna horizontally under the empenage
fairing.
No help on the VP-X as I never saw the gain for the cost.
Skyview - have it in the RV-10 and really like it. Get one 10" or two small
er displays. Either way no need for a separate EMS display as there is plen
ty of display space to have it up. Remember that even if you don't have the
EMS up all the time all the alarms are now on audio via your audio panel.
Trim servo - the two white wires run the servo. The other wires are for pos
ition indication.
Carl
On Jun 13, 2012, at 6:32 PM, wrote:
> Am laying out the electrical/avionics systems wiring and keep dropping int
o =9Cdon=99t know=9D holes. Maybe I can tap into some exp
ertise? All comments thankfully received. Hope I can pay it forward someda
y.
>
> 1. Originally settled on the ACK E-04 ELT, but now looking hard at the Am
eri-King AK451-2D. Similar price and appears more =9Cantenna install
ation=9D friendly. Planning on the Front Seatback Support location I
=99ve seen other builders use for the antenna mount. At 15=9D long
, it appears that I might even be able to install the whip without canopy in
terference but not sure about that. Probably go with the rubber ducky.
> 2. Would appreciate any VP-X installation photos that might be available.
I=99ve got a tentative location identified, but it appears a bit tig
ht.
> 3. Dynon Skyview: My glass panel planning BDS included a dedicated EMS.
I still prefer that. I like the idea of a dedicated engine display. I
=99m considering the MGL mini-EMS. However, it=99s tough to justify t
he extra expense even though there is space on the panel.
> Maybe it=99s just years of flying experience with separated flight a
nd engine steam gauges. I=99ll be day/night VFR if that=99s any
significance.
> 4. Really embarrassing. I want to check the trim servo, but haven=99
t figured out the RayCo wiring diagram. Individual servo wires are not iden
tified. A continuity check didn=99t help. Thought that the white wir
es would be +12V with one of the 3 wires going to the indicator providing th
e ground. Doesn=99t seem to work that way. Curses, foiled again.
>
> Stan Loer
> RV-8 QB
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Several unrelated questions |
At 03:32 PM 6/13/2012 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Am laying out the electrical/avionics systems wiring and keep dropping into "don't
know" holes. Maybe I can tap into some expertise? All comments thankfully
received. Hope I can pay it forward someday.
>
>1. Originally settled on the ACK E-04 ELT, but now looking hard at the Ameri-King
AK451-2D. Similar price and appears more "antenna installation" friendly.
Planning on the Front Seatback Support location I've seen other builders use
for the antenna mount. At 15 long, it appears that I might even be able to
install the whip without canopy interference but not sure about that. Probably
go with the rubber ducky.
>
>2. Would appreciate any VP-X installation photos that might be available. I've
got a tentative location identified, but it appears a bit tight.
>
>3. Dynon Skyview: My glass panel planning BDS included a dedicated EMS. I still
prefer that. I like the idea of a dedicated engine display. I'm considering
the MGL mini-EMS. However, it's tough to justify the extra expense even
though there is space on the panel.
>Maybe it's just years of flying experience with separated flight and engine steam
gauges. I'll be day/night VFR if that's any significance.
>
>4. Really embarrassing. I want to check the trim servo, but haven't figured
out the RayCo wiring diagram. Individual servo wires are not identified. A continuity
check didn't help. Thought that the white wires would be +12V with
one of the 3 wires going to the indicator providing the ground. Doesn't seem
to work that way. Curses, foiled again.
>
>Stan Loer
>RV-8 QB
Hi Stan,
Here's a few pictures of how I did my VP-200 Control Unit installation. VP-x Control
Unit should be similar.
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=67193&row=157
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=75674&row=77
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77065&row=71
And here's some pictures of how I mounted my "Ameri-King AK-451 ELT w/ GPS Input"
including antenna:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77846&row=50
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77847&row=49
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77848&row=48
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2971&log=77849&row=47
Best regards,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 100+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Electrical System Design |
How important is it to maintain elevator trim system capability? I am
planning to use a VP-X Sport for primary circuit protection, but the
=9Cget-down safely in case of alternator failure=9D mode
will drop out the VP-X and provide essential power via back-up circuits
fed directly from =9Calways hot=9D battery busses. The
system is designed for day/night capability. Right now it includes 2
PC625 batteries, paralleled for normal operation, but feeding separate
busses which will support the essential load with master switches
=9Coff=9D. I will =9Cbelt and suspenders=9D the
PFD with a Dynon back-up battery. My only concern is losing elevator
trim capability, although there might be others I have not thought of.
I am planning to keep the AP servos powered. The system is a bit more
complex than I would like, but if it prevents a black cockpit at night
it will be worth it.
Stan Loer
RV8 Very Slow QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Huffaker <bifft(at)xmission.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electrical System Design |
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012, stazel(at)cpros.com wrote:
> How important is it to maintain elevator trim system capability? I am
[much snippage]
If you lose elevator trim, pilot workload goes up, but as long as you
are paying attention, it shouldn't be that unsafe. You wouldn't be able
to let go of the stick at any but the trimmed speed, if you were trimmed
for cruise when you lost power (as would most likely be the case) stick
forces on landing would be a bit heavy. I'll leave how heavy to those
with flying RVs. Fatigue could become a factor if you had to fly a long
way out of trim. A trim runaway is the more dangerous condition
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 wiring electrical
1/4 Starduster II N23UT down for engine overhaul
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Electrical System Design |
Weird.
Two PC625 batteries provide ample power for full IFR flight to fuel
exhaustion (large loads such as landing lights, strobes, pitot heat
excluded). Why would this system design in loss of trim for an
alternator failure? The trim servo is perhaps a 100ma or so =93
nothing.
Carl
RV-8A (800 hrs)
RV-10 (13.5 hrs)
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stazel(at)cpros.com
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 1:37 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Electrical System Design
How important is it to maintain elevator trim system capability? I am
planning to use a VP-X Sport for primary circuit protection, but the
=9Cget-down safely in case of alternator failure=9D mode
will drop out the VP-X and provide essential power via back-up circuits
fed directly from =9Calways hot=9D battery busses. The
system is designed for day/night capability. Right now it includes 2
PC625 batteries, paralleled for normal operation, but feeding separate
busses which will support the essential load with master switches
=9Coff=9D. I will =9Cbelt and suspenders=9D the
PFD with a Dynon back-up battery. My only concern is losing elevator
trim capability, although there might be others I have not thought of.
I am planning to keep the AP servos powered. The system is a bit more
complex than I would like, but if it prevents a black cockpit at night
it will be worth it.
Stan Loer
RV8 Very Slow QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Backplate For Comant CI-105 |
I just ordered two Comant CI-105 transponder antennas from PacificCoast. I could
swear that the last time I ordered this antenna (about 2008) that it came with
an aluminum backplate. Perhaps 1.5" x 5" with holes
prepunched for the BNC and two stud posts. Both of the antennas I just received
have a cork gasket, but neither has the metal backplate. Am I crazy?
Matt
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 100+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Backplate For Comant CI-105 |
No backplate on the one I ordered either. I made one out of .032 aluminum.
Carl
On Jun 26, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> I just ordered two Comant CI-105 transponder antennas from PacificCoast. I could
swear that the last time I ordered this antenna (about 2008) that it came
with an aluminum backplate. Perhaps 1.5" x 5" with holes
> prepunched for the BNC and two stud posts. Both of the antennas I just received
have a cork gasket, but neither has the metal backplate. Am I crazy?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 100+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Sprung gear legs |
| From: | Steve Senegal <Ssenegal(at)sanbrunocable.com> |
A friend of mind ground looped an older Citabria and the gear needs to be re-sprung.
Does anyone know who is set up to handle that. The NEW factory won't touch
them.
Steve
650.346.6967
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | "Dan West" <Dan(at)westconcrete.com> |
| Subject: | Sprung gear legs |
Send it to a truck spring shop like Dentoini in Sacramento tell em its for
a tractor.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Senegal
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Sprung gear legs
-->
A friend of mind ground looped an older Citabria and the gear needs to be
re-sprung. Does anyone know who is set up to handle that. The NEW factory
won't touch them.
Steve
650.346.6967
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Sprung gear legs |
| From: | Steve Senegal <Ssenegal(at)sanbrunocable.com> |
Thanks, I'll pass that along
Steve
650.346.6967
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:13, "Dan West" wrote:
>
> Send it to a truck spring shop like Dentoini in Sacramento tell em its for
> a tractor.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Senegal
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:09 AM
> To: RV8 List
> Subject: RV8-List: Sprung gear legs
>
> -->
>
> A friend of mind ground looped an older Citabria and the gear needs to be
> re-sprung. Does anyone know who is set up to handle that. The NEW factory
> won't touch them.
>
> Steve
> 650.346.6967
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | ADS600-B vs. Transponder Antenna Locations... |
Dear Listers,
The manual for the NavWorx ADS600-B says that the normal transponder antenna and
the UAT antenna "MUST be at least 5 feet apart". On an RV-8, that presents
somewhat of a problem. Realistically, the farthest forward you can mount a transponder
fin is just behind the main spar under the aileron pushrods. 5 feet
back from that point is right under the rear-mounted battery box! That means
that the next realistic place is right behind the elevator bellcrank and behind
bulkhead F-808. The coax w/ TNC connector on one end that comes with the ADS600-B
is just long enough to make it to the forward position. I was thinking
of mounting the transponder antenna (Garmin GTX-237) in the aft position as
described above and using RG-400.
But that's pretty far back for a transponder antenna. I've never seen one mounted
there before. Any reason why I wouldn't want to mount it there?
The only other option would be to mount it out on the wing somewhere to maintain
the 5' separation. But that's even goofier, it seems to me...
Thoughts?
Thanks,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 110+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ESWAN124(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/22/12 |
Hello Matt:
On my RV-8, I mounted my transponder antenna on the belly, a little aft of
the main battery location.
It functions very well and I've never had a problem with it.
Earle
In a message dated 7/23/2012 3:07:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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Subject: RV8-List: ADS600-B vs. Transponder Antenna Locations...
Dear Listers,
The manual for the NavWorx ADS600-B says that the normal transponder
antenna and
the UAT antenna "MUST be at least 5 feet apart". On an RV-8, that presents
somewhat of a problem. Realistically, the farthest forward you can mount
a transponder
fin is just behind the main spar under the aileron pushrods. 5 feet
back from that point is right under the rear-mounted battery box! That
means
that the next realistic place is right behind the elevator bellcrank and
behind
bulkhead F-808. The coax w/ TNC connector on one end that comes with the
ADS600-B
is just long enough to make it to the forward position. I was thinking
of mounting the transponder antenna (Garmin GTX-237) in the aft position as
described above and using RG-400.
But that's pretty far back for a transponder antenna. I've never seen one
mounted
there before. Any reason why I wouldn't want to mount it there?
The only other option would be to mount it out on the wing somewhere to
maintain
the 5' separation. But that's even goofier, it seems to me...
Thoughts?
Thanks,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 110+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer
Mode
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Cork Gaskets For Comant CI122 VHF Antennas |
Does anyone have a good source for the cork gaskets used with the Comant CI 122
VHF Com antennas? When I removed them from the old RV-8 fuselage, I must have
put them in a very "safe" place and now I can't find them anywhere. Guess they're
pretty safe. Anyway, I need to order a couple more but I checked the Chief,
Pacific Coast Avionics, and ACS web pages and found the antennas but no
references to just ordering the cork gaskets.
<http://www.cobham.com/media/9104/ci%20122%20data%20sheet.pdf>http://www.cobham.com/media/9104/ci%20122%20data%20sheet.pdf
Thanks for any tips...
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 80+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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| Subject: | Canopy Cover Discount Offered |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
Our latest advertiser on RVairspace.com , Bruces Canopy Covers, is offering a
10% discount for our website users. Please check out the many links to Bruces,
along with our other advertisers, on the website. To obtain your discount when
ordering, enter coupon code rvairspace (all lower case). Thanks for looking!
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360
1953 Piper Tri-Pacer
A-Star Medevac Driver
Tucson, Arizona
www.RVairspace.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380395#380395
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| Subject: | Re: ADS600-B vs. Transponder Antenna Locations... |
| From: | "jhclarkfl" <jhclarkfl(at)me.com> |
I'm building an RV-8A. Placing antennae are challenges. I placed my transponder
approximately under the passenger seat. I installed the ADS-B antenna in the
tail just before the last bay. This worked well for me since the ADS-B is mounted
in the tail. Both of my antennae are from Papa Delta. I can't attest as
to how well they work because they have not been tested but I do like the way
they look.
This is the ADS-B installation location:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=jackclark&project=211&category=6250&log=117079&row=167
This is my transponder location:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=jackclark&project=211&category=6250&log=117083&row=164
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Jack Clark
RV-8A Fuselage
http://www.mykitlog.com/jackclark/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381587#381587
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| Subject: | Re: ELT antenna location RV8A |
| From: | "jhclarkfl" <jhclarkfl(at)me.com> |
I placed mine to the right side of the passenger. The secured the whip with some
light weight clips that I later changed to adel clamps. The light weight clamps
were too flimsy.
Here is my installation:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=jackclark&project=211&category=6250&log=131199&row=62
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Jack Clark
RV-8A Fuselage
http://www.mykitlog.com/jackclark/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381588#381588
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| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Battery Installation and Wire Routing Provisions |
I=99m looking for feedback on adding wire routing holes to F-806B
and F-807A. Specifically, I could use an additional set on the right
side so that I can route the transponder antenna cable under the floor.
I have the one set, matching the left side battery cable routing holes,
which I intend to use for ADAHRS and A/P pitch servo cable wire routing.
I=99m planning 1 ea. 5/8=9D dia. hole in F-806B at
2.5=9D outboard of the rudder cable hole and just outboard of the
F-813R-1 Seat Rib in F-807. Van=99s has no comment. Guess the
builder mod=99s here have been too many and varied to analyze each
one. I=99m more than willing to go on past experience.
Also question re battery installation. I=99m going with an O-360
and 3-bladed Catto prop, so I think a forward battery makes sense. Was
looking at the lower right side of the baggage compartment, but that
looks next to impossible in a QB. Has anyone else done that?
Thanks in advance for any and all comments.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
stazel(at)cpros.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Installation and Wire Routing Provisions |
At 02:53 PM 8/25/2012 Saturday, you wrote:
>Im looking for feedback on adding wire routing holes to F-806B and F-807A. Specifically,
I could use an additional set on the right side so that I can route
the transponder antenna cable under the floor. I have the one set, matching
the left side battery cable routing holes, which I intend to use for ADAHRS and
A/P pitch servo cable wire routing. Im planning 1 ea. 5/8 dia. hole in F-806B
at 2.5 outboard of the rudder cable hole and just outboard of the F-813R-1
Seat Rib in F-807. Vans has no comment. Guess the builder mods here have been
too many and varied to analyze each one. Im more than willing to go on past
experience.
>
>Also question re battery installation. Im going with an O-360 and 3-bladed Catto
prop, so I think a forward battery makes sense. Was looking at the lower
right side of the baggage compartment, but that looks next to impossible in a
QB. Has anyone else done that?
>
>Thanks in advance for any and all comments.
>
>Stan Loer
>RV-8 QB
>stazel(at)cpros.com
Hi Stan,
The RV-8 is really setup nice for a rear battery installation. Works out very
nicely. My RV-8, while it does have a Hartzell CS prop, its REALLY nose heavy,
especially flying solo. If you're going with an IO360, I think you're still
going to be fine with a rear mounted battery even if you go with a lighter Catto
prop. I wish I could put TWO batteries back there... ;-)
Matt
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 118+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Installation and Wire Routing Provisions |
Stan,
I've documented all of your questions on my web site. I ran cables in
every possible niche.
I have the IO-390, MT CS 3 blade, one battery in the lower front baggage
and one under the aft baggage shelf. My plane is not nose heavy at all -
solo or dual.
Mine was a QB and installation of the forward battery was not difficult,
just time consuming.
Contact me offline if you'd like links to the photos showing the areas you
have questions about.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
_speedy11(at)aol.com_ (mailto:speedy11(at)aol.com)
In a message dated 8/26/2012 3:08:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list(at)matronics.com writes:
I=99m looking for feedback on adding wire routing holes to F-806B
and F-807A. Specifically, I could use an additional set on the right
side so that I can route the transponder antenna cable under the floor.
I have the one set, matching the left side battery cable routing holes,
which I intend to use for ADAHRS and A/P pitch servo cable wire routing.
I=99m planning 1 ea. 5/8=9D dia. hole in F-806B at
2.5=9D outboard of the rudder cable hole and just outboard of the
F-813R-1 Seat Rib in F-807. Van=99s has no comment. Guess the
builder mod=99s here have been too many and varied to analyze each
one. I=99m more than willing to go on past experience.
Also question re battery installation. I=99m going with an O-360
and 3-bladed Catto prop, so I think a forward battery makes sense. Was
looking at the lower right side of the baggage compartment, but that
looks next to impossible in a QB. Has anyone else done that?
Thanks in advance for any and all comments.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
stazel(at)cpros.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Battery Installation and Wire Routing Provisions |
Hi Stan,
I would have used the right lower baggage compartment had I thought about
it early enough. I couldn't figure out how to mount the battery securely
after having riveted up the floors.
On the cables in back, I drilled a couple of holes, made doublers for the
bulkheads and think it is pretty secure. I do have a tendency to over
build things, so my bird will not be the lightest. Let me know what you d
ecide.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 8/25/2012 2:54:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
stazel(at)cpros.com writes:
I=99m looking for feedback on adding wire routing holes to F-806B and
F-807A. Specifically, I could use an additional set on the right side so th
at I
can route the transponder antenna cable under the floor. I have the one
set, matching the left side battery cable routing holes, which I intend to
use
for ADAHRS and A/P pitch servo cable wire routing. I=99m planning 1
ea. 5/8=9D
dia. hole in F-806B at 2.5=9D outboard of the rudder cable hole an
d just
outboard of the F-813R-1 Seat Rib in F-807. Van=99s has no comment.
Guess
the builder mod=99s here have been too many and varied to analyze ea
ch one. I=99
m more than willing to go on past experience.
Also question re battery installation. I=99m going with an O-360 and
3-bladed Catto prop, so I think a forward battery makes sense. Was lookin
g at
the lower right side of the baggage compartment, but that looks next to
impossible in a QB. Has anyone else done that?
Thanks in advance for any and all comments.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
stazel(at)cpros.com
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Battery Installation and Wire Routing Provisions |
I have two Odyssey PC-625 batteries, one mounted on one each side about
6=99 behind the firewall. The fuel pump is moved off the floor
and mounted vertically to the bulkhead on the left side so the battery
can be mounted to the floor. Running with a 180HP IO-360 and Hartzell
CS prop. This has work out well for me and at least two other RV-8
builders.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Battery Installation and Wire Routing Provisions
Hi Stan,
I would have used the right lower baggage compartment had I thought
about it early enough. I couldn't figure out how to mount the battery
securely after having riveted up the floors.
On the cables in back, I drilled a couple of holes, made doublers for
the bulkheads and think it is pretty secure. I do have a tendency to
over build things, so my bird will not be the lightest. Let me know
what you decide.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 8/25/2012 2:54:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
stazel(at)cpros.com writes:
I=99m looking for feedback on adding wire routing holes to F-806B
and F-807A. Specifically, I could use an additional set on the right
side so that I can route the transponder antenna cable under the floor.
I have the one set, matching the left side battery cable routing holes,
which I intend to use for ADAHRS and A/P pitch servo cable wire routing.
I=99m planning 1 ea. 5/8=9D dia. hole in F-806B at
2.5=9D outboard of the rudder cable hole and just outboard of the
F-813R-1 Seat Rib in F-807. Van=99s has no comment. Guess the
builder mod=99s here have been too many and varied to analyze each
one. I=99m more than willing to go on past experience.
Also question re battery installation. I=99m going with an O-360
and 3-bladed Catto prop, so I think a forward battery makes sense. Was
looking at the lower right side of the baggage compartment, but that
looks next to impossible in a QB. Has anyone else done that?
Thanks in advance for any and all comments.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
stazel(at)cpros.com
="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV8-List
s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
Has anyone installed automotive-style vents for fresh air and/or heat?
If so, I=99d like feedback on what kind and source. I think they
would be a functional improvement over the standard eyeball vents and
probably less expensive also. They would probably be larger, but with
not much more than a Skyview screen and comm radio on the panel,
I=99ll have plenty of space available.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <stazel(at)cpros.com> |
| Subject: | Antenna doublers |
Are there any guidelines I can use to size doubler panels for the
antenna installations? Can=99t find anything in AC43-13 except
standard rivet spacing. For the bent-whip comm antenna, I have chosen a
location between the passenger left footwell and aft side of the front
spar. Outboard and aft of the F807 bulkhead looks good for the blade
transponder antenna. Both locations seem to be fairly common, but
doubler size will dictate how much surface area I need to provide.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB (very slow)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Antenna doublers |
Stan, as I remember it, the one that came with my Garmin Antenna was a
rectangle about =C2=BD- =C2=BE inch wider than the antenna base in all
four directions.
Bill S
7a Ark
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stazel(at)cpros.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Antenna doublers
Are there any guidelines I can use to size doubler panels for the
antenna installations? Can=99t find anything in AC43-13 except
standard rivet spacing. For the bent-whip comm antenna, I have chosen a
location between the passenger left footwell and aft side of the front
spar. Outboard and aft of the F807 bulkhead looks good for the blade
transponder antenna. Both locations seem to be fairly common, but
doubler size will dictate how much surface area I need to provide.
Stan Loer
RV-8 QB (very slow)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Antenna doublers |
At 01:38 PM 9/13/2012 Thursday, you wrote:
>Are there any guidelines I can use to size doubler panels for the antenna
installations? Can=99t find anything in AC43-13 except standard
rivet spacing. For the bent-whip comm antenna, I have chosen a location
between the passenger left footwell and aft side of the front spar.
Outboard and aft of the F807 bulkhead looks good for the blade transponder
antenna. Both locations seem to be fairly common, but doubler size will
dictate how much surface area I need to provide.
>
>Stan Loer
>RV-8 QB (very slow)
Hi Stan,
Here's a few pics on how and where I mounted mine. Seemed to work well on
Ruby 1.0.
Matt
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 120+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer
Mode
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Antenna doublers |
| From: | Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> |
Stan:
While building my RV-7A I searched in vain for guidelines/standards for
doubler panel sizes for antenna installations - even called Vans tech
advice line - couldn't get an answer from them either - at the end of the
day I sized the doublers to a size I thought about right -
a DAR later commented the doublers all looked a bit oversize - better
oversize than undersize I guess - after 37 months and 352 flight hours
they've all stood up beautifully -
Good luck
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A - N307TB
352 hours since first flight
on 04/08/09
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:38 PM, wrote:
> Are there any guidelines I can use to size doubler panels for the
> antenna installations? Can=92t find anything in AC43-13 except standard
> rivet spacing. For the bent-whip comm antenna, I have chosen a location
> between the passenger left footwell and aft side of the front spar.
> Outboard and aft of the F807 bulkhead looks good for the blade transponde
r
> antenna. Both locations seem to be fairly common, but doubler size will
> dictate how much surface area I need to provide.
>
> Stan Loer
> RV-8 QB (very slow)
>
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>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | - Antenna doublers () |
I didn't put any doublers in, the bent whip is put just inboard of the
place under the rear seat pax foot wells.
816 hrs and no cracks.
Don't get too wrapped around the axel about the small stuff!
Bill Judge
N84WJ, RV-8, 816 hrs
http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Air box mod to fix filter deformation |
All,
This is a mod to the air box I did on the RV-10, and just now back fitted
onto the RV-8A.
Over the years with the RV-8A I've had to repair the air box and replace the
filter. As you can see from the first photo, the bottom of the filter
deforms (curves in). This tends to shorten the filter such that it drops
out of the top and impairs the seal with the top plate. I also had to add
fiberglass to the bottom of the air box as the relative motion between the
bottom of the air filter the air box eroded away the fiberglass bottom.
The fix was to add a .032" aluminum plate to the bottom of the air box. The
plate eliminates the bottom erosion and the added brackets hold the filter
shape. A side benefit is that alternate air door now sandwiches the bottom
fiberglass between two piece of metal making a sturdier install. I also
took the step to add proseal between the aluminum plate and the air box
bottom.
Carl
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George <at6c(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Air box mod to fix filter deformation |
Why? My RV8 has gone through 5 inspection and this has not been seen.
George
On 11/3/2012 5:18 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> All,
>
> This is a mod to the air box I did on the RV-10, and just now back
> fitted onto the RV-8A.
>
> Over the years with the RV-8A I've had to repair the air box and
> replace the filter. As you can see from the first photo, the bottom
> of the filter deforms (curves in). This tends to shorten the filter
> such that it drops out of the top and impairs the seal with the top
> plate. I also had to add fiberglass to the bottom of the air box as
> the relative motion between the bottom of the air filter the air box
> eroded away the fiberglass bottom.
>
> The fix was to add a .032" aluminum plate to the bottom of the air
> box. The plate eliminates the bottom erosion and the added brackets
> hold the filter shape. A side benefit is that alternate air door now
> sandwiches the bottom fiberglass between two piece of metal making a
> sturdier install. I also took the step to add proseal between the
> aluminum plate and the air box bottom.
>
> Carl
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | A Message From AeroElectric's Bob Nuckolls... |
Dear Listers,
The well known Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric posted a great message Monday on
the AeroElectric-List regarding the Matronics Lists and the importance of supporting
the operation during the Fund Raiser. Please take a minute to read Bob's
commentary below, reposted to the other Matronics Lists with his permission...
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 08:58:41 -0600
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Please Make A Contribution Today!
At 02:14 AM 11/5/2012, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
> acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to
> support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that
> took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.
>
I will add my voice to this suggestion. It's
easy to enjoy the benefits of what's available to us
off-the-shelves at the corner mega-marts. It's
seldom that we give pause to learn and understand the
processes and tools that made it possible to reach out
and select from dozens of options.
This, and all civil societies, runs on talent, energy
and mobility. Mobility exploited by thousands of hands,
machines and transportation that figure into the
'infrastructure' that puts the boxes of Wheaties and
Pop Tarts on the shelves.
See "I pencil" http://tinyurl.com/36xkhq
Any break in that chain of time, talent and resources
at least interrupts if not totally halts flow of
that benefit. Matt's room full of byte-thrashers is
like the natural gas pumping station a few miles from
my house. If those pumps stop, who ever is expecting
the furnace to come on at the other end of the pipe
is at risk for reduced service and/or higher costs
for that service.
Matt's yearly endeavor to keep his pumps running is
a trivial burden on the members of the Lists
but of incalculable value to those who participate
on them. No donation is too small.
We go to a fly-in a willingly chuck a few bucks into
the coffee can at the drinks and donuts table, let's
chuck a few bucks into Matt's coffee can too. 50,000
pounds of value doesn't get to the shelves on time
if one 18-wheeler runs out of gas. The T-bytes of
data flow we all enjoy don't get from your keyboard
to the screens of others unless Matt pays the light
bill and strokes the machines to keep them happy.
No, $5 won't get you a free copy of the 'Connection
or a fuel sampler but it will go toward the assurance
that logging onto your favorite List will open
doors that you would be sorely missed should you find
that hitting the return key doesn't produce the
expected response.
$5 from every List customer on Matt's system will
go a very long way to keeping the byte-pumps running.
$More$ will go a long way to upgrading the size
and quality of the machines as the old ones get
long in the tooth. No matter what size of donation
you choose . . . please do it now . . .
Bob . . .
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Dennis Fox <dennisfox(at)persona.ca> |
Hi Matt: I like the site and appreciate your efforts, can u point me to your
privacy policy, before I donate I want to make sure my email address doesn't
end up out in the wild forever.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:13 AM
Subject: RV8-List: A Message From AeroElectric's Bob Nuckolls...
Dear Listers,
The well known Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric posted a great message
Monday on the AeroElectric-List regarding the Matronics Lists and the
importance of supporting the operation during the Fund Raiser. Please take
a minute to read Bob's commentary below, reposted to the other Matronics
Lists with his permission...
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 08:58:41 -0600
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Please Make A Contribution Today!
At 02:14 AM 11/5/2012, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
> acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to
> support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that
> took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.
>
I will add my voice to this suggestion. It's
easy to enjoy the benefits of what's available to us
off-the-shelves at the corner mega-marts. It's
seldom that we give pause to learn and understand the
processes and tools that made it possible to reach out
and select from dozens of options.
This, and all civil societies, runs on talent, energy
and mobility. Mobility exploited by thousands of hands,
machines and transportation that figure into the
'infrastructure' that puts the boxes of Wheaties and
Pop Tarts on the shelves.
See "I pencil" http://tinyurl.com/36xkhq
Any break in that chain of time, talent and resources
at least interrupts if not totally halts flow of
that benefit. Matt's room full of byte-thrashers is
like the natural gas pumping station a few miles from
my house. If those pumps stop, who ever is expecting
the furnace to come on at the other end of the pipe
is at risk for reduced service and/or higher costs
for that service.
Matt's yearly endeavor to keep his pumps running is
a trivial burden on the members of the Lists
but of incalculable value to those who participate
on them. No donation is too small.
We go to a fly-in a willingly chuck a few bucks into
the coffee can at the drinks and donuts table, let's
chuck a few bucks into Matt's coffee can too. 50,000
pounds of value doesn't get to the shelves on time
if one 18-wheeler runs out of gas. The T-bytes of
data flow we all enjoy don't get from your keyboard
to the screens of others unless Matt pays the light
bill and strokes the machines to keep them happy.
No, $5 won't get you a free copy of the 'Connection
or a fuel sampler but it will go toward the assurance
that logging onto your favorite List will open
doors that you would be sorely missed should you find
that hitting the return key doesn't produce the
expected response.
$5 from every List customer on Matt's system will
go a very long way to keeping the byte-pumps running.
$More$ will go a long way to upgrading the size
and quality of the machines as the old ones get
long in the tooth. No matter what size of donation
you choose . . . please do it now . . .
Bob . . .
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making
your Contribution too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Air box mod to fix filter deformation |
| From: | Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> |
My RV-7A first flight was on Aug 6, 2009 - one year later during the annual
condition inspection I discovered the filter bottom outside edge had worn
completely through the fiberglass in several places and the alternate air
door assembly had pulled away from the airbox - I built up the box with two
layers of fiberglass cloth/resin on the inside of the box and three layers
on the outside - I also fabricated an .032 AL ring to reinforce the inside
of the box where the alternate air door assembly fasteners come through. I
haven't had any isssues since but I'm keeping a close eye on it. I've
heard and read several similar stories - maybe Van has already tackled the
problem - if not, that airbox needs some re-design / re-engineering.
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A N307TB
366 hours since first
flight 8/6/09
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:26 PM, George wrote:
> Why? My RV8 has gone through 5 inspection and this has not been seen.
> George
>
> On 11/3/2012 5:18 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> All,****
>
> ** **
>
> This is a mod to the air box I did on the RV-10, and just now back fitted
> onto the RV-8A.****
>
> ** **
>
> Over the years with the RV-8A I=92ve had to repair the air box and replac
e
> the filter. As you can see from the first photo, the bottom of the filte
r
> deforms (curves in). This tends to shorten the filter such that it drops
> out of the top and impairs the seal with the top plate. I also had to ad
d
> fiberglass to the bottom of the air box as the relative motion between th
e
> bottom of the air filter the air box eroded away the fiberglass bottom.**
*
> *
>
> ** **
>
> The fix was to add a .032=94 aluminum plate to the bottom of the air box.
> The plate eliminates the bottom erosion and the added brackets hold the
> filter shape. A side benefit is that alternate air door now sandwiches t
he
> bottom fiberglass between two piece of metal making a sturdier install.
I
> also took the step to add proseal between the aluminum plate and the air
> box bottom.****
>
> ** **
>
> Carl ****
>
>
> *
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are
so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have
it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
July 27, 2011 - November 10, 2012
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