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August 05, 2016 - April 09, 2021
I have not had that problem nor heard of anyone who has.
Stan
Is anybody having trouble with microbes in fuel? I have an issue with my RV-8
/ IO 360. I have had the servo rebuilt. I pump all the fuel out of the tanks
into a barrel and I plan to refill and add biobor JF to kill any remaining bugs.
The main thing then is to be sure NO water enters the fuel. I would appreciate
any comments or advice. Tom
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Baffling question |
Please see the attached picture where I have epoxied the airflow
smoother to the upper cowling. The question for the list is should I
try to fill in the void between the smoother and the cowling to prevent
airflow going through this area? If so, what did you use to seal off
the area so that there is no airflow underneath the smoother.
The plans are silent on this. The sides of the smoother are close to
the metal baffles, but there is a small gap between the edges of the
smoother piece and the metal baffles.
Thanks - Grumpy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Baffling question |
You could if you want, but there is no practical reason to do so. This is
to reduce turbulent flow coming into the baffle area, not to seal anything.
If memory serves, you may need to trim the sides a little to clear the
baffling.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 9:35 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Baffling question
Please see the attached picture where I have epoxied the airflow smoother to
the upper cowling. The question for the list is should I try to fill in the
void between the smoother and the cowling to prevent airflow going through
this area? If so, what did you use to seal off the area so that there is no
airflow underneath the smoother.
The plans are silent on this. The sides of the smoother are close to the
metal baffles, but there is a small gap between the edges of the smoother
piece and the metal baffles.
Thanks - Grumpy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Baffling question |
You could if you want, but there is no practical reason to do so. This is
to reduce turbulent flow coming into the baffle area, not to seal anything.
If memory serves, you may need to trim the sides a little to clear the
baffling.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 9:35 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Baffling question
Please see the attached picture where I have epoxied the airflow smoother to
the upper cowling. The question for the list is should I try to fill in the
void between the smoother and the cowling to prevent airflow going through
this area? If so, what did you use to seal off the area so that there is no
airflow underneath the smoother.
The plans are silent on this. The sides of the smoother are close to the
metal baffles, but there is a small gap between the edges of the smoother
piece and the metal baffles.
Thanks - Grumpy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Lazarowicz <tllaz330(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Baffling question |
I did my 8 cowl last year and after much research did fill the inside
void. I did it primarily to give the rubber seal an area to sit against .
Sealing the baffle in that area can be challenging, but I thought it was
worth the effort.
I used a piece of blue Dow Blue foam to shape the the area and did a two
ply lay up to cover the area. It adds very little weight. one important
thing to remember is fit the cowl first before epoxying the baffle in place
even where you have the clecos. The cowl should be fitted to the bottom
half on the plane as the Epoxy dries. You can fill the sides after that
without fear of warping.
Mike
On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
> You could if you want, but there is no practical reason to do so. This is
> to reduce turbulent flow coming into the baffle area, not to seal anything.
>
>
> If memory serves, you may need to trim the sides a little to clear the
> baffling.
>
>
> Carl
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Miller John
> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 9:35 AM
> *To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV8-List: Baffling question
>
>
> Please see the attached picture where I have epoxied the airflow smoother
> to the upper cowling. The question for the list is should I try to fill in
> the void between the smoother and the cowling to prevent airflow going
> through this area? If so, what did you use to seal off the area so that
> there is no airflow underneath the smoother.
>
>
> The plans are silent on this. The sides of the smoother are close to the
> metal baffles, but there is a small gap between the edges of the smoother
> piece and the metal baffles.
>
>
> Thanks - Grumpy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Airflow smoother in cowling |
Please see the attached picture where I have epoxied the airflow
smoother to the upper cowling. The question for the list is should I
try to fill in the void between the smoother and the cowling to prevent
airflow going through this area? If so, what did you use to seal off
the area so that there is no airflow underneath the smoother.
The plans are silent on this. The sides of the smoother are close to
the metal baffles, but there is a small gap between the edges of the
smoother piece and the metal baffles.
Thanks - Grumpy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Baffling question |
Thanks. Metal baffling all installed and the smoothers were trimmed to
fit. Just wondering if there is a need to fill in that area as it will
be a PITA to do it.my guess is that any air that does spill
between the edge of the smoother and the metal baffling will be
insignificant..
Grumpy
> On Aug 5, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
>
> You could if you want, but there is no practical reason to do so.
This is to reduce turbulent flow coming into the baffle area, not to
seal anything.
>
> If memory serves, you may need to trim the sides a little to clear the
baffling.
>
> Carl
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Miller John
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 9:35 AM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Baffling question
>
> Please see the attached picture where I have epoxied the airflow
smoother to the upper cowling. The question for the list is should I
try to fill in the void between the smoother and the cowling to prevent
airflow going through this area? If so, what did you use to seal off
the area so that there is no airflow underneath the smoother.
>
> The plans are silent on this. The sides of the smoother are close to
the metal baffles, but there is a small gap between the edges of the
smoother piece and the metal baffles.
>
> Thanks - Grumpy
>
________________________________________________________________________________
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
I'm just about ready to drop the order to Van's for a slow build RV-8 kit.
I'm already working the empennage so I figure with the eight week time line
for shipment I need to move forward.
I'm looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the standard
Van's cowl in my order. So - looking for recommendations of the RV-8 James
Cowl group - yes or no?
I'll be using a stock IO-360 from Van's - the 180 hp version.
Thanks,
Carl
RV-8A, sold
RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
RV-8, tail kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Senegal <Ssenegal(at)sanbrunocable.com> |
Hey Carl,
A little off topic, but I happen to have a slow build RV-8 fuselage kit that
is still in the crate. I opened it, but never took off the plastic rap, inv
entoried it, nor took the parts out of the crate. I purchased it in 2009. I h
ad a buyer a couple of years ago, but for some reason he changed his mind af
ter he agreed to purchase it. He never saw it, never said why, he just chang
ed his mind. I got busy with other things and haven't pursued trying to sell
it again, but saw your post and thought you might be interested.
Contact me if you are.
Best Regards,
Steve
650.346.6967
Sent between flights =9C=88=EF=B8=8F
> On Aug 30, 2016, at 18:14, Carl Froehlich wro
te:
>
> I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a slow
build RV-8 kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I figure with
the eight week time line for shipment I need to move forward.
>
> I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the sta
ndard Van=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for recommendati
ons of the RV-8 James Cowl group =93 yes or no?
>
> I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the 180 h
p version.
>
> Thanks,
> Carl
> RV-8A, sold
> RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
> RV-8, tail kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Lazarowicz <tllaz330(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Carl
I am in the last stages of my RV8 build. I deleted the stock Vans cowl and
it was a big mistake. I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the RV 8 there
are two problems.
1. you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl. Sam does not
currently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great . it
does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the standard
cowl is pretty good.
3. EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building time
exponentially.
John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV 8 s and helped
with many more. His standard advice is build it like Van said to and you
will be fine.
Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double with
shipping if you change your mind later.
I have a close friend in the EZ world that is a world record holder. He
actually deigned the wheel pants Sam uses. My friend did encourage me to
look at SAMs cowl, but in the end, for me at least, it was not worth it.
If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
Hope this helps.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
> I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a slo
w build RV-8
> kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I figure with the eigh
t week
> time line for shipment I need to move forward.
>
>
> I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the st
andard
> Van=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for recommendations
of the RV-8 James
> Cowl group =93 yes or no?
>
>
> I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the 180
hp version.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carl
>
> RV-8A, sold
>
> RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
>
> RV-8, tail kit
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Michael,
Thanks for the feed.
I built the RV-10 with the James Cowl and I=99m happy with the
performance. I configured the plane for high altitude long range cruise
and the James Cowl has contributed to the results. I note Will James
stop offering the RV-10 cowl as a few builders had issues.
What worries me more than the extra work is the required 2.5=9D
prop extension. I understand why Will James does this and I agree with
the concept, but the prop hanging out there worried me about engine
crank bearing load. I talked to BPE about this and they told me it is
not a problem.
So my root question remains. I understand the downside of the cowl but
I would like a feed from those running one on how they see it impacting
performance.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Lazarowicz
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
Hi Carl
I am in the last stages of my RV8 build. I deleted the stock Vans cowl
and it was a big mistake. I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the RV
8 there are two problems.
1. you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl. Sam does not
currently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great .
it does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the
standard cowl is pretty good.
3. EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building time
exponentially.
John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV 8 s and
helped with many more. His standard advice is build it like Van said to
and you will be fine.
Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double
with shipping if you change your mind later.
I have a close friend in the EZ world that is a world record holder. He
actually deigned the wheel pants Sam uses. My friend did encourage me
to look at SAMs cowl, but in the end, for me at least, it was not worth
it.
If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
Hope this helps.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a
slow build RV-8 kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I
figure with the eight week time line for shipment I need to move
forward.
I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the
standard Van=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for
recommendations of the RV-8 James Cowl group =93 yes or no?
I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the
180 hp version.
Thanks,
Carl
RV-8A, sold
RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
RV-8, tail kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hi Guys,
I don't want to hijack this thread, but I am curious whether the Show Plane
s cowl would be any different?
I am not as far along as I should be on my -8 build built I am planning to
use the stock Van's cowl although I have always liked the look of the James
cowl also. =C2-I have a heard a couple of other times about the James co
wl being more work and I was wondering if anyone knew if the Show Planes co
wl was any different? =C2-
Thanks,Bill=C2-
"Experience and common sense cannot be replaced with policy and procedures.
"
=C2- - R.L. Nuckolls III
From: Michael Lazarowicz <tllaz330(at)gmail.com>
To: "rv8-list(at)matronics.com"
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
Hi Carl
I am in the last stages of my RV8 build.=C2- I deleted the stock Vans cow
l and it was a big mistake.=C2- I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the
RV 8 there are two problems.
1.=C2-you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl.=C2- Sam doe
s not currently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great . =C2
-it does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the standa
rd cowl is pretty good.
3.=C2- EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building tim
e exponentially.John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV
8 s and helped with many more.=C2- His standard advice is build it like V
an said to and you will be fine.
Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double with s
hipping if you change your mind later.=C2-I have a close friend in the EZ
world that is a world record holder.=C2- He actually deigned the wheel p
ants Sam uses.=C2- My friend did encourage me to look at SAMs cowl, but i
n the end, for me at least, it was not worth it.
If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
Hope this helps.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich wr
ote:
I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a slow
build RV-8 kit.=C2- I=99m already working the empennage so I figure
with the eight week time line for shipment I need to move forward.=C2-I
=99m looking to use a James Cowl.=C2- As such I need to delete the
standard Van=99s cowl in my order.=C2- So =93 looking for rec
ommendations of the RV-8 James Cowl group =93 yes or no?=C2-I
=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the 180 hp versi
on.=C2-Thanks,CarlRV-8A, soldRV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
RV-8, tail kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Lazarowicz <tllaz330(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Carl
I talked with Sam himself about the prop extension. He seemed to think
there is no basis for concern. I am using a whirlwind 200. I will be
doing some "gentleman" aerobatics. I Sam had offered a short version of
the cowl I would have used his. You are more experienced that I with the
10 you built. I do have one story for you.
A few years ago I ran into a guy who had just finished his 8. It had all
the mods, James cowl, grove gear, electronic ignition and more than I could
mention. His son built just a straight 8 with no mods. He said the real
world difference was very small and he would not bother with all the mods
again , except for the Ignition.
Having said all this the James cowl looks great.
I have planned my RV8 to be as simple and clean as [possible. I just
finished my Garmin G3X installation. IFR. I am very pleased with Garmin
so far and would do that again. The 8 is tight on panel space but I
managed to fit a 10" touch, 650 com and a GRT Mini as a back up.
Mike
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> Michael,
>
>
> Thanks for the feed.
>
>
> I built the RV-10 with the James Cowl and I=99m happy with the perf
ormance.
> I configured the plane for high altitude long range cruise and the James
> Cowl has contributed to the results. I note Will James stop offering the
> RV-10 cowl as a few builders had issues.
>
>
> What worries me more than the extra work is the required 2.5=9D pro
p
> extension. I understand why Will James does this and I agree with the
> concept, but the prop hanging out there worried me about engine crank
> bearing load. I talked to BPE about this and they told me it is not a
> problem.
>
>
> So my root question remains. I understand the downside of the cowl but I
> would like a feed from those running one on how they see it impacting
> performance.
>
>
> Carl
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Lazarowicz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:29 AM
> *To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
>
>
> Hi Carl
>
>
> I am in the last stages of my RV8 build. I deleted the stock Vans cowl
> and it was a big mistake. I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the RV 8
> there are two problems.
>
>
> 1. you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl. Sam does not
> currently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
>
>
> 2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great .
> it does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the standa
rd
> cowl is pretty good.
>
>
> 3. EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building time
> exponentially.
>
> John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV 8 s and helped
> with many more. His standard advice is build it like Van said to and you
> will be fine.
>
>
> Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double with
> shipping if you change your mind later.
>
>
> I have a close friend in the EZ world that is a world record holder. He
> actually deigned the wheel pants Sam uses. My friend did encourage me to
> look at SAMs cowl, but in the end, for me at least, it was not worth it.
>
>
> If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich
> wrote:
>
> I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a slo
w build RV-8
> kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I figure with the eigh
t week
> time line for shipment I need to move forward.
>
>
> I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the st
andard
> Van=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for recommendations
of the RV-8 James
> Cowl group =93 yes or no?
>
>
> I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the 180
hp version.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carl
>
> RV-8A, sold
>
> RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
>
> RV-8, tail kit
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Thanks Michael.
All feed so far is =9Cdo what you want but it makes little
difference=9D. I was hoping to confirm the cruise efficiency gain
I have on my RV-10 for the RV-8, but no one has made the case.
I thought about doing the James plenum with the stock Van=99s cowl
=93 and all the associated surgery needed to fit the inlets. I
like the plenum on the RV-10 so I=99m still considering this as a
compromise.
Interesting comment on the G3X. I have installed three full SkyView
systems and they have been great for IFR work (using the GTN-650 for the
GPS navigator) and the Dynon support is second to none. I looked at the
G3X touch panels in the new demo RV-14 and figured Garmin deserves at
least a look. Doing apples to apples the Garmin is ~$1-$2K more than a
dual screen SkyView total system so pricing is about the same. Garmin
does add the $150/month subscription cost that Dynon provides free. So
it looks like both companies are marketing to the same crowd and keeping
the pricing close. After consideration however I reflect back on the
miserable after the sale service on my GTN-650 and will again go with
Dynon SkyView. I know the G3X stuff is a different group at Garmin but
they all wear the same shirt.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Lazarowicz
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
Hi Carl
I talked with Sam himself about the prop extension. He seemed to think
there is no basis for concern. I am using a whirlwind 200. I will be
doing some "gentleman" aerobatics. I Sam had offered a short version of
the cowl I would have used his. You are more experienced that I with
the 10 you built. I do have one story for you.
A few years ago I ran into a guy who had just finished his 8. It had
all the mods, James cowl, grove gear, electronic ignition and more than
I could mention. His son built just a straight 8 with no mods. He said
the real world difference was very small and he would not bother with
all the mods again , except for the Ignition.
Having said all this the James cowl looks great.
I have planned my RV8 to be as simple and clean as [possible. I just
finished my Garmin G3X installation. IFR. I am very pleased with
Garmin so far and would do that again. The 8 is tight on panel space
but I managed to fit a 10" touch, 650 com and a GRT Mini as a back up.
Mike
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
Michael,
Thanks for the feed.
I built the RV-10 with the James Cowl and I=99m happy with the
performance. I configured the plane for high altitude long range cruise
and the James Cowl has contributed to the results. I note Will James
stop offering the RV-10 cowl as a few builders had issues.
What worries me more than the extra work is the required 2.5=9D
prop extension. I understand why Will James does this and I agree with
the concept, but the prop hanging out there worried me about engine
crank bearing load. I talked to BPE about this and they told me it is
not a problem.
So my root question remains. I understand the downside of the cowl but
I would like a feed from those running one on how they see it impacting
performance.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Lazarowicz
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
Hi Carl
I am in the last stages of my RV8 build. I deleted the stock Vans cowl
and it was a big mistake. I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the RV
8 there are two problems.
1. you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl. Sam does not
currently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great .
it does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the
standard cowl is pretty good.
3. EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building time
exponentially.
John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV 8 s and
helped with many more. His standard advice is build it like Van said to
and you will be fine.
Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double
with shipping if you change your mind later.
I have a close friend in the EZ world that is a world record holder. He
actually deigned the wheel pants Sam uses. My friend did encourage me
to look at SAMs cowl, but in the end, for me at least, it was not worth
it.
If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
Hope this helps.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a
slow build RV-8 kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I
figure with the eight week time line for shipment I need to move
forward.
I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the
standard Van=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for
recommendations of the RV-8 James Cowl group =93 yes or no?
I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the
180 hp version.
Thanks,
Carl
RV-8A, sold
RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
RV-8, tail kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Lazarowicz <tllaz330(at)gmail.com> |
Garmin offers a bundle software update for 150 per year for the G3X
touch. To Garmin's Credit there support has been great so far. I guess
its all in just what your individual tastes are. The big mover for me was
the Garmin autopilot. It is about half the price of the others and the
brackets to install it in the RV8 make it a breeze. I am also fond of the
Garmin heated pitot tube. Its about the half or more than others and seems
to be made well. I also like the Remote mounted transponder. Like I said
the 8 is a tough fit. all this helps.
I guess in my case you should consider the source. I have never flow my 8
yet. so my advise is only on the building side. The Last plane I flew IFR
was the A330 and it has, in my opinion, one of the best flight decks in the
business.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
> Thanks Michael.
>
>
> All feed so far is =9Cdo what you want but it makes little differen
ce=9D. I
> was hoping to confirm the cruise efficiency gain I have on my RV-10 for t
he
> RV-8, but no one has made the case.
>
>
> I thought about doing the James plenum with the stock Van=99s cowl
=93 and all
> the associated surgery needed to fit the inlets. I like the plenum on th
e
> RV-10 so I=99m still considering this as a compromise.
>
>
> Interesting comment on the G3X. I have installed three full SkyView
> systems and they have been great for IFR work (using the GTN-650 for the
> GPS navigator) and the Dynon support is second to none. I looked at the
> G3X touch panels in the new demo RV-14 and figured Garmin deserves at lea
st
> a look. Doing apples to apples the Garmin is ~$1-$2K more than a dual
> screen SkyView total system so pricing is about the same. Garmin does ad
d
> the $150/month subscription cost that Dynon provides free. So it looks
> like both companies are marketing to the same crowd and keeping the prici
ng
> close. After consideration however I reflect back on the miserable after
> the sale service on my GTN-650 and will again go with Dynon SkyView. I
> know the G3X stuff is a different group at Garmin but they all wear the
> same shirt.
>
>
> Carl
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Lazarowicz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:20 PM
> *To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
>
>
> Hi Carl
>
> I talked with Sam himself about the prop extension. He seemed to think
> there is no basis for concern. I am using a whirlwind 200. I will be
> doing some "gentleman" aerobatics. I Sam had offered a short version of
> the cowl I would have used his. You are more experienced that I with the
> 10 you built. I do have one story for you.
>
> A few years ago I ran into a guy who had just finished his 8. It had all
> the mods, James cowl, grove gear, electronic ignition and more than I cou
ld
> mention. His son built just a straight 8 with no mods. He said the real
> world difference was very small and he would not bother with all the mods
> again , except for the Ignition.
>
> Having said all this the James cowl looks great.
>
> I have planned my RV8 to be as simple and clean as [possible. I just
> finished my Garmin G3X installation. IFR. I am very pleased with Garmin
> so far and would do that again. The 8 is tight on panel space but I
> managed to fit a 10" touch, 650 com and a GRT Mini as a back up.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Carl Froehlich <
> carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
>
> Thanks for the feed.
>
>
> I built the RV-10 with the James Cowl and I=99m happy with the perf
ormance.
> I configured the plane for high altitude long range cruise and the James
> Cowl has contributed to the results. I note Will James stop offering the
> RV-10 cowl as a few builders had issues.
>
>
> What worries me more than the extra work is the required 2.5=9D pro
p
> extension. I understand why Will James does this and I agree with the
> concept, but the prop hanging out there worried me about engine crank
> bearing load. I talked to BPE about this and they told me it is not a
> problem.
>
>
> So my root question remains. I understand the downside of the cowl but I
> would like a feed from those running one on how they see it impacting
> performance.
>
>
> Carl
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Lazarowicz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:29 AM
> *To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
>
>
> Hi Carl
>
>
> I am in the last stages of my RV8 build. I deleted the stock Vans cowl
> and it was a big mistake. I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the RV 8
> there are two problems.
>
>
> 1. you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl. Sam does not
> currently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
>
>
> 2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great .
> it does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the standa
rd
> cowl is pretty good.
>
>
> 3. EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building time
> exponentially.
>
> John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV 8 s and helped
> with many more. His standard advice is build it like Van said to and you
> will be fine.
>
>
> Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double with
> shipping if you change your mind later.
>
>
> I have a close friend in the EZ world that is a world record holder. He
> actually deigned the wheel pants Sam uses. My friend did encourage me to
> look at SAMs cowl, but in the end, for me at least, it was not worth it.
>
>
> If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich
> wrote:
>
> I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a slo
w build RV-8
> kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I figure with the eigh
t week
> time line for shipment I need to move forward.
>
>
> I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the st
andard
> Van=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for recommendations
of the RV-8 James
> Cowl group =93 yes or no?
>
>
> I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the 180
hp version.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carl
>
> RV-8A, sold
>
> RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
>
> RV-8, tail kit
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Carl,
I built a slow build RV-8 with the James Cowl. Michael's statements abou
t
additional build time are correct. On the other hand, my cooling is
exceptional and the longer nose looks good. Very hard to say if my bird
is
faster or not, but I haven't really had any problems with it. I have a 4"
saber extension and used a three blade Catto prop. Very smooth. I have
since
changed to a Hartzell constant speed but am very pleased with the James
Cowl. I would probably do it again if I were building again.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
In a message dated 8/31/2016 7:24:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net writes:
Michael,
Thanks for the feed.
I built the RV-10 with the James Cowl and I=99m happy with the perf
ormance.
I configured the plane for high altitude long range cruise and the James
Cowl has contributed to the results. I note Will James stop offering the
RV-10 cowl as a few builders had issues.
What worries me more than the extra work is the required 2.5=9D pro
p
extension. I understand why Will James does this and I agree with the con
cept, but
the prop hanging out there worried me about engine crank bearing load.
I
talked to BPE about this and they told me it is not a problem.
So my root question remains. I understand the downside of the cowl but
I
would like a feed from those running one on how they see it impacting
performance.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lazarow
icz
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
Hi Carl
I am in the last stages of my RV8 build. I deleted the stock Vans cowl
and it was a big mistake. I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the RV
8
there are two problems.
1. you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl. Sam does not
currently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great .
it does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the standar
d
cowl is pretty good.
3. EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building time
exponentially.
John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV 8 s and helped
with many more. His standard advice is build it like Van said to and you
will be fine.
Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double with
shipping if you change your mind later.
I have a close friend in the EZ world that is a world record holder. He
actually deigned the wheel pants Sam uses. My friend did encourage me to
look at SAMs cowl, but in the end, for me at least, it was not worth it.
If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
Hope this helps.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich <_carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net_
(mailto:carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net) > wrote:
I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a slo
w build RV-8
kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I figure with the eigh
t week time
line for shipment I need to move forward.
I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the st
andard Van
=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for recommendations of
the RV-8 James
Cowl group =93 yes or no?
I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the 180
hp version.
Thanks,
Carl
RV-8A, sold
RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
RV-8, tail kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Thanks for the feed Michael.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
Hi Carl,
I built a slow build RV-8 with the James Cowl. Michael's statements
about additional build time are correct. On the other hand, my cooling
is exceptional and the longer nose looks good. Very hard to say if my
bird is faster or not, but I haven't really had any problems with it. I
have a 4" saber extension and used a three blade Catto prop. Very
smooth. I have since changed to a Hartzell constant speed but am very
pleased with the James Cowl. I would probably do it again if I were
building again.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
In a message dated 8/31/2016 7:24:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net writes:
Michael,
Thanks for the feed.
I built the RV-10 with the James Cowl and I=99m happy with the
performance. I configured the plane for high altitude long range cruise
and the James Cowl has contributed to the results. I note Will James
stop offering the RV-10 cowl as a few builders had issues.
What worries me more than the extra work is the required 2.5=9D
prop extension. I understand why Will James does this and I agree with
the concept, but the prop hanging out there worried me about engine
crank bearing load. I talked to BPE about this and they told me it is
not a problem.
So my root question remains. I understand the downside of the cowl but
I would like a feed from those running one on how they see it impacting
performance.
Carl
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Lazarowicz
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
Hi Carl
I am in the last stages of my RV8 build. I deleted the stock Vans cowl
and it was a big mistake. I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the RV
8 there are two problems.
1. you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl. Sam does not
currently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great .
it does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the
standard cowl is pretty good.
3. EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building time
exponentially.
John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV 8 s and
helped with many more. His standard advice is build it like Van said to
and you will be fine.
Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double
with shipping if you change your mind later.
I have a close friend in the EZ world that is a world record holder. He
actually deigned the wheel pants Sam uses. My friend did encourage me
to look at SAMs cowl, but in the end, for me at least, it was not worth
it.
If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
Hope this helps.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a
slow build RV-8 kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I
figure with the eight week time line for shipment I need to move
forward.
I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the
standard Van=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for
recommendations of the RV-8 James Cowl group =93 yes or no?
I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the
180 hp version.
Thanks,
Carl
RV-8A, sold
RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
RV-8, tail kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Lazarowicz <tllaz330(at)gmail.com> |
Mike Wyn makes the point well. If you like the James Cowl. you should do
it, Particularly since you have done one on your RV10.
I am experiencing a very frustrating problem with my G3X installation.
Everything is working well except fro one notable exception. The 23 ES
transponder doe not want to talk to the AHARS GDU25. If you are familiar
with the G3X system it checks all the connected devises on the
configuration page. IF they are working you get a green check mark in the
box next to the device in the configuration mode. Te only one that does
not get the check is the Transponder a 23ES. I get a red X. There is no
communication between it and the 25. I have checked the connection (only
three wires) so many times I can see the pin numbers in my sleep.
Garmin support has been great. I sent them screen shots of all the
relevant pages and they could see no errors. I comes down to three
possibility's 1. Wired wrong, I have checked it every way I know how to
the point of even running new wires directly between the units. 2. The
transponder is bad. Garmin sent me a new unit. Same problem. 3. The
GDU25 is bad. Garmin is sending me a new one.
Christer at Stein Air has been there helping me all the way. I cannot say
enough about his support. I did have Stein produce a master interconnect
drawing for my installation. It was worth penny. I believe all my wiring
is Ok. Just wondering if anyone else has seen this problem?
Mike
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Carl Froehlich
wrote:
> Thanks for the feed Michael.
>
>
> Carl
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server
@
> matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *MLWynn(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2016 10:31 AM
> *To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
>
>
> Hi Carl,
>
>
> I built a slow build RV-8 with the James Cowl. Michael's statements abou
t
> additional build time are correct. On the other hand, my cooling is
> exceptional and the longer nose looks good. Very hard to say if my bird
is
> faster or not, but I haven't really had any problems with it. I have a 4
"
> saber extension and used a three blade Catto prop. Very smooth. I have
> since changed to a Hartzell constant speed but am very pleased with the
> James Cowl. I would probably do it again if I were building again.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael Wynn
>
>
> In a message dated 8/31/2016 7:24:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net writes:
>
> Michael,
>
>
> Thanks for the feed.
>
>
> I built the RV-10 with the James Cowl and I=99m happy with the perf
ormance.
> I configured the plane for high altitude long range cruise and the James
> Cowl has contributed to the results. I note Will James stop offering the
> RV-10 cowl as a few builders had issues.
>
>
> What worries me more than the extra work is the required 2.5=9D pro
p
> extension. I understand why Will James does this and I agree with the
> concept, but the prop hanging out there worried me about engine crank
> bearing load. I talked to BPE about this and they told me it is not a
> problem.
>
>
> So my root question remains. I understand the downside of the cowl but I
> would like a feed from those running one on how they see it impacting
> performance.
>
>
> Carl
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server
@
> matronics.com ] *On Behalf Of *Micha
el
> Lazarowicz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:29 AM
> *To:* rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
>
>
> Hi Carl
>
>
> I am in the last stages of my RV8 build. I deleted the stock Vans cowl
> and it was a big mistake. I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the RV 8
> there are two problems.
>
>
> 1. you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl. Sam does not
> currently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
>
>
> 2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great .
> it does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the standa
rd
> cowl is pretty good.
>
>
> 3. EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building time
> exponentially.
>
> John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV 8 s and helped
> with many more. His standard advice is build it like Van said to and you
> will be fine.
>
>
> Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double with
> shipping if you change your mind later.
>
>
> I have a close friend in the EZ world that is a world record holder. He
> actually deigned the wheel pants Sam uses. My friend did encourage me to
> look at SAMs cowl, but in the end, for me at least, it was not worth it.
>
>
> If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich
> wrote:
>
> I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a slo
w build RV-8
> kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I figure with the eigh
t week
> time line for shipment I need to move forward.
>
>
> I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the st
andard
> Van=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for recommendations
of the RV-8 James
> Cowl group =93 yes or no?
>
>
> I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the 180
hp version.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carl
>
> RV-8A, sold
>
> RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
>
> RV-8, tail kit
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Clarkson <scottclarkson(at)optonline.net> |
Hello All,
It's been a number of years since I completed my RV-8 but I installed the Ja
mes cowl and did it without the prop spacer. I had met Sam James at Sun N Fu
n and after an hour of conversation I committed to buy his set up. The iron
ic part of our conversation was we talked about all aspects of the install..
.except the fact that it needed the prop extension. After received it and r
ealizing my situation I searched the Internet high and low and found and spo
ke with John Huft from Colorado. He installed the James cowl minus prop ext
ension on his -8 so I emulated his set up. He was more than willing to shar
e his install so I decided if he pulled it off so could I. The task was mon
umental. It required cutting off and re-profiling the entire front of the c
owl and reworking it for a seamless flow with the 200RV spinner. A slight b
lister for the starter was required as well as cutting apart the plenum and l
owering it all the way down to the lift ring. I also had to make clearance f
or the Sky Dynamics 4-1 exhaust collector and installed a ram air butterfly f
or the intake. I also used a Sky Dynamics adapter to reposition the fuel in
jector servo to horizontal but I had to cut and reweld it to line up with th
e cowl intake. Custom mixture and throttle bracket, sanding, swearing, fill
ing, more sanding, on and on.
The result? Superb cooling in the AZ heat, great looking, and no two place R
V can touch it. Definitely a rewarding feeling but a huge undertaking.
Scott Clarkson
N360SC
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Michael Lazarowicz wrote:
>
> Mike Wyn makes the point well. If you like the James Cowl. you should do i
t, Particularly since you have done one on your RV10.
>
> I am experiencing a very frustrating problem with my G3X installation. Ev
erything is working well except fro one notable exception. The 23 ES transp
onder doe not want to talk to the AHARS GDU25. If you are familiar with the
G3X system it checks all the connected devises on the configuration page. I
F they are working you get a green check mark in the box next to the device i
n the configuration mode. Te only one that does not get the check is the Tr
ansponder a 23ES. I get a red X. There is no communication between it and t
he 25. I have checked the connection (only three wires) so many times I can
see the pin numbers in my sleep.
>
> Garmin support has been great. I sent them screen shots of all the releva
nt pages and they could see no errors. I comes down to three possibility's
1. Wired wrong, I have checked it every way I know how to the point of eve
n running new wires directly between the units. 2. The transponder is bad.
Garmin sent me a new unit. Same problem. 3. The GDU25 is bad. Garmin i
s sending me a new one.
>
> Christer at Stein Air has been there helping me all the way. I cannot say
enough about his support. I did have Stein produce a master interconnect d
rawing for my installation. It was worth penny. I believe all my wiring is
Ok. Just wondering if anyone else has seen this problem?
>
> Mike
>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>> Thanks for the feed Michael.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn(at)aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 10:31 AM
>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Carl,
>>
>>
>>
>> I built a slow build RV-8 with the James Cowl. Michael's statements abou
t additional build time are correct. On the other hand, my cooling is excep
tional and the longer nose looks good. Very hard to say if my bird is faste
r or not, but I haven't really had any problems with it. I have a 4" saber e
xtension and used a three blade Catto prop. Very smooth. I have since chan
ged to a Hartzell constant speed but am very pleased with the James Cowl. I
would probably do it again if I were building again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Wynn
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/31/2016 7:24:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, carl.fro
ehlich(at)verizon.net writes:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the feed.
>>
>>
>>
>> I built the RV-10 with the James Cowl and I=99m happy with the perf
ormance. I configured the plane for high altitude long range cruise and the
James Cowl has contributed to the results. I note Will James stop offering
the RV-10 cowl as a few builders had issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> What worries me more than the extra work is the required 2.5=9D pro
p extension. I understand why Will James does this and I agree with the conc
ept, but the prop hanging out there worried me about engine crank bearing lo
ad. I talked to BPE about this and they told me it is not a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> So my root question remains. I understand the downside of the cowl but I
would like a feed from those running one on how they see it impacting perfo
rmance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lazarowicz
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:29 AM
>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Carl
>>
>>
>>
>> I am in the last stages of my RV8 build. I deleted the stock Vans cowl a
nd it was a big mistake. I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the RV 8 the
re are two problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl. Sam does not cu
rrently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great . i
t does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the standard co
wl is pretty good.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building time e
xponentially.
>>
>> John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV 8 s and helped
with many more. His standard advice is build it like Van said to and you w
ill be fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double with
shipping if you change your mind later.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a close friend in the EZ world that is a world record holder. He a
ctually deigned the wheel pants Sam uses. My friend did encourage me to loo
k at SAMs cowl, but in the end, for me at least, it was not worth it.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich w
rote:
>>
>> I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a slo
w build RV-8 kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I figure wit
h the eight week time line for shipment I need to move forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the st
andard Van=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for recommendat
ions of the RV-8 James Cowl group =93 yes or no?
>>
>>
>>
>> I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the 180
hp version.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> RV-8A, sold
>>
>> RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
>>
>> RV-8, tail kit
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Clarkson <scottclarkson(at)optonline.net> |
Hello All,
It's been a number of years since I completed my RV-8 but I installed the Ja
mes cowl and did it without the prop spacer. I had met Sam James at Sun N Fu
n and after an hour of conversation I committed to buy his set up. The iron
ic part of our conversation was we talked about all aspects of the install..
.except the fact that it needed the prop extension. After received it and r
ealizing my situation I searched the Internet high and low and found and spo
ke with John Huft from Colorado. He installed the James cowl minus prop ext
ension on his -8 so I emulated his set up. He was more than willing to shar
e his install so I decided if he pulled it off so could I. The task was mon
umental. It required cutting off and re-profiling the entire front of the c
owl and reworking it for a seamless flow with the 200RV spinner. A slight b
lister for the starter was required as well as cutting apart the plenum and l
owering it all the way down to the lift ring. I also had to make clearance!
for the Sky Dynamics 4-1 exhaust collector and installed a ram air butterfl
y for the intake. I also used a Sky Dynamics adapter to reposition the fuel
injector servo to horizontal but I had to cut and reweld it to line up with
the cowl intake. Custom mixture and throttle bracket, sanding, swearing, f
illing, more sanding, on and on.
The result? Superb cooling in the AZ heat, great looking, and no two place R
V can touch it. Definitely a rewarding feeling but a huge undertaking.
Scott Clarkson
N360SC
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Michael Lazarowicz wrote:
>
> Mike Wyn makes the point well. If you like the James Cowl. you should do i
t, Particularly since you have done one on your RV10.
>
> I am experiencing a very frustrating problem with my G3X installation. Ev
erything is working well except fro one notable exception. The 23 ES transp
onder doe not want to talk to the AHARS GDU25. If you are familiar with the
G3X system it checks all the connected devises on the configuration page. I
F they are working you get a green check mark in the box next to the device i
n the configuration mode. Te only one that does not get the check is the Tr
ansponder a 23ES. I get a red X. There is no communication between it and t
he 25. I have checked the connection (only three wires) so many times I can
see the pin numbers in my sleep.
>
> Garmin support has been great. I sent them screen shots of all the releva
nt pages and they could see no errors. I comes down to three possibility's
1. Wired wrong, I have checked it every way I know how to the point of eve
n running new wires directly between the units. 2. The transponder is bad.
Garmin sent me a new unit. Same problem. 3. The GDU25 is bad. Garmin i
s sending me a new one.
>
> Christer at Stein Air has been there helping me all the way. I cannot say
enough about his support. I did have Stein produce a master interconnect d
rawing for my installation. It was worth penny. I believe all my wiring is
Ok. Just wondering if anyone else has seen this problem?
>
> Mike
>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>> Thanks for the feed Michael.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn(at)aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 10:31 AM
>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Carl,
>>
>>
>>
>> I built a slow build RV-8 with the James Cowl. Michael's statements abou
t additional build time are correct. On the other hand, my cooling is excep
tional and the longer nose looks good. Very hard to say if my bird is faste
r or not, but I haven't really had any problems with it. I have a 4" saber e
xtension and used a three blade Catto prop. Very smooth. I have since chan
ged to a Hartzell constant speed but am very pleased with the James Cowl. I
would probably do it again if I were building again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Wynn
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/31/2016 7:24:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, carl.fro
ehlich(at)verizon.net writes:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the feed.
>>
>>
>>
>> I built the RV-10 with the James Cowl and I=99m happy with the perf
ormance. I configured the plane for high altitude long range cruise and the
James Cowl has contributed to the results. I note Will James stop offering
the RV-10 cowl as a few builders had issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> What worries me more than the extra work is the required 2.5=9D pro
p extension. I understand why Will James does this and I agree with the conc
ept, but the prop hanging out there worried me about engine crank bearing lo
ad. I talked to BPE about this and they told me it is not a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> So my root question remains. I understand the downside of the cowl but I
would like a feed from those running one on how they see it impacting perfo
rmance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lazarowicz
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:29 AM
>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Carl
>>
>>
>>
>> I am in the last stages of my RV8 build. I deleted the stock Vans cowl a
nd it was a big mistake. I am a big fan of Sam James, but with the RV 8 the
re are two problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. you wll have to use a prop extension with his 8 cowl. Sam does not cu
rrently make a short version for the 8 like he does for the 7.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. The Cowl is a lot more work and it's advantages are not that great . i
t does look cool but in the end after surveying many I found the standard co
wl is pretty good.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. EVERY mod you make to the Vans kit will increase your building time e
xponentially.
>>
>> John Thocker of Red Line air shows has built at least 3 RV 8 s and helped
with many more. His standard advice is build it like Van said to and you w
ill be fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally if you delete it from the Kit it will cost you nearly double with
shipping if you change your mind later.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a close friend in the EZ world that is a world record holder. He a
ctually deigned the wheel pants Sam uses. My friend did encourage me to loo
k at SAMs cowl, but in the end, for me at least, it was not worth it.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you build it light you will get 99% of the speed you need.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Carl Froehlich w
rote:
>>
>> I=99m just about ready to drop the order to Van=99s for a slo
w build RV-8 kit. I=99m already working the empennage so I figure wit
h the eight week time line for shipment I need to move forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> I=99m looking to use a James Cowl. As such I need to delete the st
andard Van=99s cowl in my order. So =93 looking for recommendat
ions of the RV-8 James Cowl group =93 yes or no?
>>
>>
>>
>> I=99ll be using a stock IO-360 from Van=99s =93 the 180
hp version.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> RV-8A, sold
>>
>> RV-10, sale pending (and it breaks my heart)
>>
>> RV-8, tail kit
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Airport Courtesy Cars App/Website Update |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
ACC's app is still free in the app stores, and on the web. Currently over 11,000 active pilots are using it, and several businesses and FBO' offer fuel and other product discounts. I recently added a Facebook page which will include updates and events. If you are on Facebook please take a look and like it at www.facebook.com/airportcourtesycars Thanks!
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460183#460183
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
RV-8 at Catalina Island...
Emacs!
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2016 Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or other related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search , List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. YOUR personal Contribution
counts!
This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go along
with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are over 24 different gifts
to choose from! There's something for everyone, to be sure. Most all of
these gifts have been provided by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll
find on the Matronics Lists and they have been either donated or provided
at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous members include:
Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com
Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com
Corbin Glowacki of My Pilot Store http://www.mypilotstore.com
George Race of Race Consulting http://www.mrrace.com/
Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com
These are very generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web
sites. Each one offers a unique and excellent aviation-related product line.
I would like publicly to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon their generous
support of the Lists again this year!!
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lynn Hall-Clark <lclark6372(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/02/16 |
Please take me off your list!!!!!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 12:04 AM, RV8-List Digest Server
wrote:
>
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>
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>
> Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 16-11-02&Archive=RV8
>
> Text Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 16-11-02&Archive=RV8
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are
so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have
it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting to tap
into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted here, but have
always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet these days, a user
is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap that they don't
want. Yahoo, Google and that ilk are not "free". The user must constantly
endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their face at an ever increasing
rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics choose not to succumb
to that.
That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot
of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, air conditioning,
maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc. I choose to hold a PBS-like fund raiser
each year during the month of November where I simply send out a short email
every other day asking the members to make a small contribution to support the
operation. That being said, that contribution is completely voluntary and non-compulsory.
Many members choose not to contribute and that's fine.
However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a contribution
and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And that's
it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of maintaining the
Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a single advertisement
or request for support. That's refreshing and that is a List and Forum
that I want to belong to. I think other people feel the same way.
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are covered solely
through your Contributions during this time of the year.
*Your* personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running for another
great year!
Use a credit card or your PayPal account here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by sending a personal check to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's Your Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some point, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for the over 23 years of on-line
archive data always available for instant search and access. And, it offsets
the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications
that power these List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums,
and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables all these aspects of Matronics List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of
the best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: What's Your Contribution Used For? |
| From: | Roger Smart <roger(at)smartdrive.com> |
please remove me from you list
On 11/17/2016 12:06 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> You might have wondered at some point, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the
highest performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for the over 23 years of on-line
archive data always available for instant search and access. And, it offsets
the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications
that power these List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums,
and Wiki.
>
> But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
>
> It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables all these aspects of Matronics
List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one
of the best investments you can make in your Sport!
>
> List Contribution Web Site:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
>
> Matronics / Matt Dralle
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore, CA 94550
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Administrator
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone have ideas for a tow bar hooked up to golf cart for towing and RV8A.?
I have two hand held tow bars that I use (one in baggage comp for on the road)
The other in hanger, getting harder to push uphill would appreciate any suggestions,
Please email me directly with comments at avdilger(at)yahoo.com
Thanks
Al Dilger
L45
Bakersfield, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during
this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through
YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been
putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it!
The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose
from this year. I personally want at least three of them! There's probably
something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your
Lists!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists!
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying
Contribution too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Behind By 28% - Please Contribute Today! |
Dear Listers,
The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists this year
is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 28%. Please take this
opportunity to show your support for the Matronics Lists and Forums!
Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that keep these Lists
and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members
don't want to support the Lists directly, then I might have to add advertisements
to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I don't want to have to do
that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot
of the members appreciate that too.
Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free
operation of all these Lists:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forums Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. We are still
way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions and
total contribution amount. I really want to keep providing these services to the
homebuilt community, but it take resources. Since there's no
advertising budget or deep pockets to keep the operation a float, its solely your
generosity during the Fund Raiser that keeps things going. Please
make a Contribution today.
If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time
to do it!
Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution
web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a check in the mail:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again
- 53! :-) But it also means that it's that last official day of the Matronics
Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about picking up one of those
really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Airport Courtesy Cars App Closing? |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
IMPORTANT! If you are a user of the app version of Airport Courtesy Cars, please
view it for an important message about the possible closure of the app, or view
the page here:
https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/app-status.html
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464010#464010
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| Subject: | Re: Airport Courtesy Cars App Closing? |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
I am happy to report that thanks to donations, the site continues. View the donors or add your name by clicking here: https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/thank-you-donors-.html Thanks, Glenn
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464135#464135
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2016 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2016 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and it's time that I published this year's List of Contributors.
It is the people on this list that directly make these Email Lists and Forums
possible! Their generous
Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running!
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I also want to thank Andy, Bob, George, and Jon for their generous support through
the supply of many great gifts this year!! These guys have some excellent
products and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites:
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
George Race - Race Consulting - http://www.mrrace.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2016 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2016.html
Thank you again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator
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| Subject: | Airport Cafe's Now Listed in ACC's |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
I have just added over 50 airport cafs (and still growing) to current listings
in the Airport Courtesy Cars website and app (just in case your courtesy car isnt
available when you arrive!) These listings are highlighted in red so you can
easily find them. If you have any additions or corrections, please email them
directly to me at airportcars101(at)gmail.com. Thanks and Happy New Year! Glenn
PS, Submit your ramp fee's experience also for inclusion in the website/app!
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464550#464550
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| From: | "Paul Collins" <collins04(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/31/16 |
You have our airport restaurants on the list here is Idaho! Thanks!!
Paul Collins
N337DP
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Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with
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1. 11:40 AM - Airport Cafe's Now Listed in ACC's (gbrasch)
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Subject: RV8-List: Airport Cafe's Now Listed in ACC's
From: "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com>
I have just added over 50 airport cafs (and still growing) to current
listings in the Airport Courtesy Cars website and app (just in case your
courtesy car isnt available when you arrive!) These listings are highlighted
in red so you can easily find them. If you have any additions or
corrections, please email them directly to me at airportcars101(at)gmail.com.
Thanks and Happy New Year! Glenn
PS, Submit your ramp fee's experience also for inclusion in the website/app!
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App and
www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464550#464550
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Internet Connectivity Upgrades April 17-18 2017 |
Dear Matronics Email List an/or Forum User,
The Matronics Internet connectivity will be upgraded on April 17 through April
18, 2017. During the upgrade connections to the Matronics and AeroElectric web
servers may be unavailable. Additionally, Matronics Email List email will not
be redistributed.
Internet Connectivity bandwidth will be significantly increased by a factor of
7X for downloads and 50X for uploads, which represents a significant increase
in performance. Reliability should also increase in terms.
I will send out a follow up message when the upgrade has been completed.
Best Regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Neil Chernoff <neilmark(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/16/17 |
STOP PLEASE
Sent from my iPhone
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> of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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| Subject: | Major Upgrade to Airport Courtesy Cars Site-Please Read. |
| From: | "gbrasch" <airportcars101(at)gmail.com> |
If you are a user of the Airport Courtesy Cars site, I would like to inform you
of a major upgrade and improvement. Effective mid December, A.C.C.'s will be
fully web based, and will continue to be a secure site. Many of you over the past
couple of years have asked for these improvements, the biggest user request
being the site does not work on certain devices. By converting A.C.C's to a
web based site, the advantage is clear, the site will now work on any device.
Also, there is no possibility of bugs or crashes like an app. The information
will be the same.
During this transition period, it is important for you to bookmark the web address
on your device so your service remains uninterrupted. For further information,
click on the large red banner on the main page of the site, or here:
https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/app-update.html
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Website www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473223#473223
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| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/09/17 |
I have been using Michelin Aviator tires on my RV8A 500-5 and cant complain, just
wondering what others have experienced in their tire selection.
Appreciate the input
Al Dilger Bakersfield CA L45 EAA chapter 71
> On Oct 10, 2017, at 12:04 AM, RV8-List Digest Server
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> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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| From: | Paul Collins <collins04(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/10/17 |
I use the same ones and have had some wear. I rotate the tires side to side and
get better life. It must be the way the gear sets, but they work! Paul Collins
N8ZV
Sent from my iPhone
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> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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> Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/09/17
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> I have been using Michelin Aviator tires on my RV8A 500-5 and cant complain,
just
> wondering what others have experienced in their tire selection.
> Appreciate the input
> Al Dilger Bakersfield CA L45 EAA chapter 71
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>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
>> of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2017 Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or other related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search , List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. YOUR personal Contribution
counts!
This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go along
with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are 9 great gifts to choose
from! There's something for everyone, to be sure.
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a Credit Card, PayPal, or by Personal Check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Help Keep Airport Courtesy Cars Running |
| From: | "gbrasch" <airportcars101(at)gmail.com> |
Last November, a few people (out of thousands) complained to me that my fundraising
efforts for the Airport Courtesy Cars site were too often. In response,
I will only ask for donations once a year, in November.
In the past few months I have transferred all the data to a web based platform.
As a result, the site will work on ANY device with no bugs, crashes, or Android
and Apple permissions required. Please refer to website for more details.
The site now lists over 1,830 courtesy cars across the U.S. I receive a very small
percent of my operating costs from advertisers. Most of my expenses are covered
from small donations from pilots like you. I take no salary.
Please consider any donation to keep the site up and running in the coming year.
Donations can be made via the secure PayPal tab on the site (you don not need
a PayPal account), or by mailing your donation to: Airport Courtesy Cars.
P.O. Box 85762, Tucson, Arizona 85754. All donors will be listed on the donor
page (unless you request not to be). Any donation is greatly appreciated.
Please share this post with a fellow pilot who might benefit from A.C.C.s
You can continue to email me your updates and suggestions to: airportcars101(at)gmail.com Thank you, Glenn www.airportcourtesycars.com
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Website www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474309#474309
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have
helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor
List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund Raiser messages for the rest
of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the
commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill to keep
the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of the
Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to control
and monitor every aspect
of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution
matters because, when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it
pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising
dollars for the
Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials
that are so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want
to have it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the
given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods,
there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have
helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting to tap
into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted here, but have
always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet these days, a user
is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap that they don't
want. Yahoo, Google and that ilk are not "free". The user must constantly
endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their face at an ever increasing
rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics choose not to succumb
to that.
That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot
of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, air conditioning,
maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc. I choose to hold a PBS-like fund raiser
each year during the month of November where I simply send out a short email
every other day asking the members to make a small contribution to support the
operation. That being said, that contribution is completely voluntary and non-compulsory.
Many members choose not to contribute and that's fine.
However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a contribution
and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And that's
it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of maintaining the
Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a single advertisement
or request for support. That's refreshing and that is a List and Forum
that I want to belong to. I think other people feel the same way.
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are covered solely
through your Contributions during this time of the year.
*Your* personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running for another
great year!
Use a credit card or your PayPal account here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by sending a personal check to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's Your Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some point, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for the over 23 years of on-line
archive data always available for instant search and access. And, it offsets
the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications
that power these List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums,
and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables all these aspects of Matronics List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of
the best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have
helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some
magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you?
Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get a well-managed media
source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do...
:-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during
this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through
YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been
putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it!
The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose
from this year. I personally want at least three of them! There's probably
something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your
Lists!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists!
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been
putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it!
The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose
from this year. I personally want at least three of them! There's probably
something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your
Lists!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists!
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have
helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again
- 54! :-) But it also means that it's that last official day of the Matronics
Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about picking up one of those
really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Clark Carroll <carrollswa(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Can you please unsubscribe me from the rv7 and Rv8 list?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 9:42 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday
again - 54! :-) But it also means that it's that last official day of the Matronics
Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about picking up one of
those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!!
>
> If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
>
> I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably
want to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
>
> I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year
in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it.
>
> The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by
making your Contribution right now:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
>
> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
> USA
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help Keep Airport Courtesy Cars Running |
| From: | "gbrasch" <airportcars101(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks to those of you who donated this past month and year to help keep Airport
Courtesy Cars website up and running. Your names are posted on the donor page.
This month ACCs will transform to a fully web based platform that will work on
any device, bug and permission free. Just bookmark the website on your home screen.
Continued donations are greatly appreciated, along with new listings or corrections.
See you next November. Glenn
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Website www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476166#476166
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2017 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2017 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and it's time that I published this year's List of Contributors (LOC).
It is the people on this list that directly make these Email Lists and Forums
possible! Their generous
Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running!
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2017 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc
Thank you again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "edwclg" <edwclg(at)gmail.com> |
I have a PC 680 battery in my RV 8 and am wondering how long on average will one
last.
Mine has been installed for almost 6 years.
Thanks
Ed Clegg
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478620#478620
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| From: | ALBERT THOMAS <althomas454(at)msn.com> |
I am on my fourth PC 680 in 6 years. My current primary is 1 year old and the secondary
is 2 years old. Im amazed yours still holds a charge.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 11:03 AM, edwclg wrote:
>
>
> I have a PC 680 battery in my RV 8 and am wondering how long on average will
one last.
> Mine has been installed for almost 6 years.
> Thanks
>
> Ed Clegg
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.matronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D478620%23478620&data=02%7C01%7C%7C866f29c0a0704459e5c408d5883c16af%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636564714013838509&sdata=yohPs82xgSx8TPPop7zCauvBRGIGVEQIuONICht30H4%3D&reserved=0
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
I run two PC-625s (two are needed to hit my IFR electrical power reserve target).
Both are used for engine start and in normal mode run in parallel. I replace
one battery every three years - so no battery is older than six years. I
started out replacing one every two years but found they still had a lot of life
left in them. The pulled batteries go on to a second life in various tractors.
Note - I once killed a new battery by leaving the master on. While some say you
can beat new life into abused Odyssey batteries, it is better to replace the
battery and then experiment on the dead one for service in a tractor.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALBERT THOMAS
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: PC 680
I am on my fourth PC 680 in 6 years. My current primary is 1 year old and the secondary
is 2 years old. Im amazed yours still holds a charge.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 11:03 AM, edwclg wrote:
>
>
> I have a PC 680 battery in my RV 8 and am wondering how long on average will
one last.
> Mine has been installed for almost 6 years.
> Thanks
>
> Ed Clegg
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum
> s.matronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D478620%23478620&data=02%7C01%7C%
> 7C866f29c0a0704459e5c408d5883c16af%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%
> 7C1%7C0%7C636564714013838509&sdata=yohPs82xgSx8TPPop7zCauvBRGIGVEQIuON
> ICht30H4%3D&reserved=0
>
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| From: | Craig Gallenbach <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com> |
I change mine out every three years as a precautionary measure. So far no battery
failures. That may be overkill, but it affords me some peace of mind and Im
willing to pay for that.
Craig Gallenbach
RV8A N184CG 600hrs since 2008
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 1:56 PM, ALBERT THOMAS wrote:
>
>
> I am on my fourth PC 680 in 6 years. My current primary is 1 year old and the
secondary is 2 years old. Im amazed yours still holds a charge.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 12, 2018, at 11:03 AM, edwclg wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a PC 680 battery in my RV 8 and am wondering how long on average will
one last.
>> Mine has been installed for almost 6 years.
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ed Clegg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.matronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D478620%23478620&data=02%7C01%7C%7C866f29c0a0704459e5c408d5883c16af%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636564714013838509&sdata=yohPs82xgSx8TPPop7zCauvBRGIGVEQIuONICht30H4%3D&reserved=0
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
There's a pretty big sample size on the VAF rv site=2E The guys who have sh
ort lived pc680s are usually the ones using 'maintainers' regularly=2E AGM
batteries last a long time if not needlessly cycled by leaving a maintainer
on them=2E I ran a cheap pc625 equivalent in my rv4 for about 6 years, and
it still had around 65% of its capacity left=2E
It does pay to check capa
city at annual, especially if you're electrically dependent=2E Being able t
o crank the engine isn't a good indicator of capacity=2E
Charlie
On Mar
12, 2018, 12:07 PM, at 12:07 PM, edwclg wrote:
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V8-List message posted by: "edwclg"
>
>I have a PC 680
battery in my RV 8 and am wondering how long on average
>will one last=2E
>Mine has been installed for almost 6 years=2E
>Thanks
>
>Ed Clegg
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums=2Ematronics=2Ecom/viewtopic
=2Ephp?p=478620#478620
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| From: | Paul Rice <Rice737(at)msn.com> |
I end up replacing my 680 every 2 years. At about the one and half year mark, in
the winter they get weak and have trouble turning the cold engine, especially
after sitting 2 to 3 weeks. My battery is in the rear if the plane, that may
make a difference compared to engine compartment installs. Been that way for
the 10 years or so Ive been flying the airplane.
Paul Rice
RV8 2007
________________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com>
on behalf of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 2:24:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: PC 680
I run two PC-625s (two are needed to hit my IFR electrical power reserve target).
Both are used for engine start and in normal mode run in parallel. I replace
one battery every three years - so no battery is older than six years. I
started out replacing one every two years but found they still had a lot of life
left in them. The pulled batteries go on to a second life in various tractors.
Note - I once killed a new battery by leaving the master on. While some say you
can beat new life into abused Odyssey batteries, it is better to replace the
battery and then experiment on the dead one for service in a tractor.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALBERT THOMAS
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: PC 680
I am on my fourth PC 680 in 6 years. My current primary is 1 year old and the secondary
is 2 years old. Im amazed yours still holds a charge.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 11:03 AM, edwclg wrote:
>
>
> I have a PC 680 battery in my RV 8 and am wondering how long on average will
one last.
> Mine has been installed for almost 6 years.
> Thanks
>
> Ed Clegg
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum
> s.matronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D478620%23478620&data=02%7C01%7C%
> 7C866f29c0a0704459e5c408d5883c16af%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%
> 7C1%7C0%7C636564714013838509&sdata=yohPs82xgSx8TPPop7zCauvBRGIGVEQIuON
> ICht30H4%3D&reserved=0
>
>
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| From: | edward Clegg <edwclg(at)gmail.com> |
I have never had a problem starting even after leaving it for a month.
Also, have never used a maintainer on it.
However I did order another figuring 6 years is long enough.
This is a good discussion. Nice to have all this feed back.
Ed clegg
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Charlie England
wrote:
> There's a pretty big sample size on the VAF rv site. The guys who have
> short lived pc680s are usually the ones using 'maintainers' regularly. AG
M
> batteries last a long time if not needlessly cycled by leaving a maintain
er
> on them. I ran a cheap pc625 equivalent in my rv4 for about 6 years, and
it
> still had around 65% of its capacity left.
>
> It does pay to check capacity at annual, especially if you're electricall
y
> dependent. Being able to crank the engine isn't a good indicator of
> capacity.
>
> Charlie
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 12:07 PM, edwclg wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a PC 680 battery in my RV 8 and am wondering how long on average
will one last.
>> Mine has been installed for almost 6 years.
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ed Clegg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478620#478620.com/Navigato
r?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List< --> http://forums.matro--> <
http://forums.matronics.com>http://wiki.matronics.matronics.com/contributio
n">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ------------------------------
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| From: | Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com> |
I think that there are two things that prematurely kill the Odssey
batteries:
1. not charging at high enough of a voltage
2. Slow drains while sitting
I've got my voltage regulated at 14.4 volts and when the battery
disconnects the only parasitic load is the Dynon keep alive.
I've got two PC625s, one for cranking, one for backup. I do the same as a
lot of guys, add a new one to the emergency position every 2 years(thinking
about three) and make the old emergency one the new cranking battery.
Batteries are substantially more reliable if you avoid cranking on them.
I took year off work to travel and the plane sat for 9 months with a 2 year
old battery, I came back and it started right up with no charging.
Bill Judge
RV-8 N84WJ
1360 hrs
http://rv-8.blogspot.com/
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| From: | speedy11(at)aol.com |
Ed,
I agree - a very good discussion.
I concur with all of the comments. I started out replacing 1 battery (two on board)
every two years. Cap checks showed the old battery to still be very capable
- can't remember the exact numbers - I had the guys in my FBO check it for
me. I changed to 4 year swapout and I have had virtually no issues even with
occasional long sit times.
However, I am replacing the entire panel - EFIS, txpndr, radios, AP - and the batteries
have been sitting unused and uncharged for 6 months. So, as part of
the overall upgrade, I decided to install EarthX LiFePo4 batteries. I'm having
to make new battery mounts since the EarthX have slightly different dimensions.
It is always something, isn't it? I'll send an update later in the year
when I have some experience with the new batteries. One thing is for sure, they
are much lighter than the PC680s.
Stan Sutterfield
RV-8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | AirNav.com Now Linked to Airport Courtesy Cars |
| From: | "gbrasch" <airportcars101(at)gmail.com> |
Airport Courtesy Cars website has been updated to link to AirNav.com. Click on
any of the over 1,850 airport IDs within the site and you will be taken to the
AirNav.com page for that airport. Please note Airport Courtesy Cars is now
fully web based and works on any device. We have also added many locations with
MOGAS. Have a great flying season and please consider a small donation to
keep this site running and get your name added to the donor page. Thanks, Glenn
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Website www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479075#479075
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone have an extra Vert Stab Fiberglass fairing they would like to sell?
email avdilger(at)yahoo.com Thx
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| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/25/18 |
Been wondering about a few RV issues.
1=Does anyone know of an accurate fuel measuring device for RVs? (RV8A) I have
Garmin G3X Touch with the Stewart Warner floats.
Because the throw (depth of tank) is relatively short the gauges read 16 gal when
full (21g) and stay there until there is about 13g left, aside from that they
are pretty accurate.
Im thinking that a dipstick type of gauge attached to the bottom of the fuel cap
could be worked out..Any thoughts???
2= I would like to see an improvement to the canopy rollers, it seems to me that
a hard rubber wheel would work better.
3= I remember when building I had seen a mod to allow the pilot seat back to move
more rearward (My seat back sits up too straight) wonder if there is a more
simple way to accommodate that then changing and modifying
the center support bar.
Thanks, always looking for improvements
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| From: | Brian Huffaker <bifft(at)xmission.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/25/18 |
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Al Dilger wrote:
>
> Been wondering about a few RV issues.
> 1=Does anyone know of an accurate fuel measuring device for RVs? (RV8A) I have
Garmin G3X Touch with the Stewart Warner floats.
> Because the throw (depth of tank) is relatively short the gauges read 16 gal
when full (21g) and stay there until there is about 13g left, aside from that
they are pretty accurate.
> Im thinking that a dipstick type of gauge attached to the bottom of the fuel
cap could be worked out..Any thoughts???
A dipstick would have the same problem in the opposite direction, reading
nothing for the last few gallons. Also you couldn't use it in flight.
Would be easy enough to calibrate one starting from an empty tank.
> 2= I would like to see an improvement to the canopy rollers, it seems
>to me that a hard rubber wheel would work better.
Would be an easy change to make, but don't see why rubber wheels would be
an improvement.
> 3= I remember when building I had seen a mod to allow the pilot seat
>back to move more rearward (My seat back sits up too straight) wonder if
>there is a more simple way to accommodate that then changing and
>modifying
> the center support bar.
That would be the "tall pilot option" that Van's sells, they say it is
for 6'6" and up, I'm only 6'4" and have it. Have to duck to close the
canopy if wearing headset. It is just a different center bar with the
main support further back. The extruded angle that forms the sides of the
seatback are also left longer.
If you have short legs, you could move the seatback hinge forward to
get a steeper angle and use the standard center bar. This would mean less
leg room, need a different size/shape seat cushion. You wouldn't have as
bit a flat space before the slope up at the front of the seat.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
RV-8A N609HZ in test period
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | speedy11(at)aol.com |
Al,
I'm planning to switch to the Van's fuel floats. One option I can recommend against
is the Princeton Capacitance Probes. I have calibrated them 6 times - emptying
the tanks each time and refilling in 1 gallon increments. It took hours
and the probes have never indicated accurately. They occasionally indicate
a quantity that is known to be near the reading, but then begin to erratically
go from full to empty and everything in between. I strongly recommend against
them.
There is probably a way to mount a dip stick on the gas cap, but I doubt it is
worth the effort. I use the fuel flow and manually calculate. It has been remarkably
accurate.
Agree that the canopy rollers need improvement. I've disliked them since I installed
them. If you come up with a good solution I'd like to hear about it.
Other than changing the seat back support (which you do not want to do) I know
of no way to adjust it aft. I have never worried about it because I'm 5'-10"
and my son is 6', so the current situation is not a problem for us.
Are you currently building or is your airplane finished? I made numerous "improvements"
to my 8A during building and I am currently gutting it to install all
new radios-EFIS-AP-ADSB. Thinking about a supercharger-normalized.
Where are you located?
You should come and race with us at Reno.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
Been wondering about a few RV issues.
1=Does anyone know of an accurate fuel measuring device for RVs? (RV8A) I have
Garmin G3X Touch with the Stewart Warner floats.
Because the throw (depth of tank) is relatively short the gauges read 16 gal when
full (21g) and stay there until there is about 13g left, aside from that they
are pretty accurate.
Im thinking that a dipstick type of gauge attached to the bottom of the fuel cap
could be worked out..Any thoughts???
2= I would like to see an improvement to the canopy rollers, it seems to me that
a hard rubber wheel would work better.
3= I remember when building I had seen a mod to allow the pilot seat back to move
more rearward (My seat back sits up too straight) wonder if there is a more
simple way to accommodate that then changing and modifying
the center support bar.
Thanks, always looking for improvements
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
Hmm,
I would expect that adding much power, whether via supercharger,
turbocharger or bigger engine would be of some concern. Van's states a
Vne for most of their models, including the -8 at 200kts or 230 mph true
airspeed. I am familiar with an -8 with the IO-390 engine that can get
very close to that Vne in level flight. The Vne is set due to the design
flutter speed. Vans has a white paper that is mostly aimed at the 10,
against turbo-normalizing, which does the calculation that if 75% power
can be maintained to 12,000 ft, the aircraft can exceed that Vne at that
power setting. Everyone makes their own choices with experimental
amateur built. I choose to pay attention to that Vne with my -10.
http://vansaircraft.com/pdf/hp_limts.pdf
On 6/27/2018 9:31 PM, speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
> Are you currently building or is your airplane finished? I made
> numerous "improvements" to my 8A during building and I am currently
> gutting it to install all new radios-EFIS-AP-ADSB. Thinking about a
> supercharger-normalized.
> Where are you located?
> You should come and race with us at Reno.
> Regards,
> Stan Sutterfield
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/28/18 |
Good point, I think the cost alone makes it unreasonable
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> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
>
>
> Hmm,
> I would expect that adding much power, whether via supercharger,
> turbocharger or bigger engine would be of some concern. Van's states a
> Vne for most of their models, including the -8 at 200kts or 230 mph true
> airspeed. I am familiar with an -8 with the IO-390 engine that can get
> very close to that Vne in level flight. The Vne is set due to the design
> flutter speed. Vans has a white paper that is mostly aimed at the 10,
> against turbo-normalizing, which does the calculation that if 75% power
> can be maintained to 12,000 ft, the aircraft can exceed that Vne at that
> power setting. Everyone makes their own choices with experimental
> amateur built. I choose to pay attention to that Vne with my -10.
> http://vansaircraft.com/pdf/hp_limts.pdf
>
> On 6/27/2018 9:31 PM, speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>> Are you currently building or is your airplane finished? I made
>> numerous "improvements" to my 8A during building and I am currently
>> gutting it to install all new radios-EFIS-AP-ADSB. Thinking about a
>> supercharger-normalized.
>> Where are you located?
>> You should come and race with us at Reno.
>> Regards,
>> Stan Sutterfield
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Matt's repair |
I recently had an incident on takeoff (strong gust forced me off side of runway)
and left gear attach point was forced up into the fuselage when it hit the edge
of an intersecting taxiway. It caused the exact same airframe damage that
Matt had on his RV-8 in landing incident.
I never heard how the repair went or if it was successful and how hard was the
repair job. Id love to hear something from Matt or others on how it went.
Tracy Crook
Sent from my iPad
>> On Jun 26, 2018, at 11:57, Brian Huffaker wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Al Dilger wrote:
>>
>>
>> Been wondering about a few RV issues.
>> 1=Does anyone know of an accurate fuel measuring device for RVs? (RV8A) I have
Garmin G3X Touch with the Stewart Warner floats.
>> Because the throw (depth of tank) is relatively short the gauges read 16 gal
when full (21g) and stay there until there is about 13g left, aside from that
they are pretty accurate.
>> Im thinking that a dipstick type of gauge attached to the bottom of the fuel
cap could be worked out..Any thoughts???
>
> A dipstick would have the same problem in the opposite direction, reading
> nothing for the last few gallons. Also you couldn't use it in flight.
> Would be easy enough to calibrate one starting from an empty tank.
>
>> 2= I would like to see an improvement to the canopy rollers, it seems
>> to me that a hard rubber wheel would work better.
>
> Would be an easy change to make, but don't see why rubber wheels would be
> an improvement.
>
>> 3= I remember when building I had seen a mod to allow the pilot seat
>> back to move more rearward (My seat back sits up too straight) wonder if
>> there is a more simple way to accommodate that then changing and
>> modifying
>> the center support bar.
>
> That would be the "tall pilot option" that Van's sells, they say it is
> for 6'6" and up, I'm only 6'4" and have it. Have to duck to close the
> canopy if wearing headset. It is just a different center bar with the
> main support further back. The extruded angle that forms the sides of the
> seatback are also left longer.
>
> If you have short legs, you could move the seatback hinge forward to
> get a steeper angle and use the standard center bar. This would mean less
> leg room, need a different size/shape seat cushion. You wouldn't have as
> bit a flat space before the slope up at the front of the seat.
>
> Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
> RV-8A N609HZ in test period
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Matt's repair |
Tracy,
Sorry to hear about your misfortune.=C2- Matt wound up replacing his fuse
lage.=C2- Not a small nor inexpensive endeavor.=C2-=C2-
Details can be found here....
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=2273&c
ategory=9041
Good luck and let us know what you decide.
Bill Settle=C2-
"Experience and common sense cannot be replaced with policy and procedures.
"
=C2- - R.L. Nuckolls III
From: Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com>
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Matt's repair
I recently had an incident on takeoff (strong gust forced me off side of ru
nway) and left gear attach point was forced up into the fuselage when it hi
t the edge of an intersecting taxiway. It caused the exact same airframe da
mage that Matt had on his RV-8 in landing incident.
I never heard how the repair went or if it was successful and how hard was
the repair job.=C2- I=99d love to hear something from Matt or other
s on how it went.
Tracy Crook
Sent from my iPad
>> On Jun 26, 2018, at 11:57, Brian Huffaker wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Al Dilger wrote:
>>
>>
>> Been wondering about a few RV issues.
>> 1=Does anyone know of an accurate fuel measuring device for RV
=99s? (RV8A) I have Garmin G3X Touch with the Stewart Warner floats.
>> Because the =9Cthrow=9D (depth of tank) is relatively short
the gauges read 16 gal when full (21g) and stay there until there is about
13g left, aside from that they are pretty accurate.
>> Im thinking that a dipstick type of gauge attached to the bottom of the
fuel cap could be worked out..Any thoughts???
>
> A dipstick would have the same problem in the opposite direction, reading
> nothing for the last few gallons.=C2- Also you couldn't use it in fligh
t.
> Would be easy enough to calibrate one starting from an empty tank.
>
>> 2= I would like to see an improvement to the canopy rollers, it seems
>> to me that a hard rubber wheel would work better.
>
> Would be an easy change to make, but don't see why rubber wheels would be
> an improvement.
>
>> 3= I remember when building I had seen a mod to allow the pilot seat
>> back to move more rearward (My seat back sits up too straight) wonder if
>> there is a more simple way to accommodate that then changing and
>> modifying
>>=C2- =C2- the center support bar.
>
> That would be the "tall pilot option" that Van's sells, they say it is
> for 6'6" and up, I'm only 6'4" and have it.=C2- Have to duck to close t
he
> canopy if wearing headset.=C2- It is just a different center bar with t
he
> main support further back.=C2- The extruded angle that forms the sides
of the
> seatback are also left longer.
>
> If you have short legs, you could move the seatback hinge forward to
> get a steeper angle and use the standard center bar.=C2- This would mea
n less
> leg room, need a different size/shape seat cushion.=C2- You wouldn't ha
ve as
> bit a flat space before the slope up at the front of the seat.
>
> Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
> RV-8A N609HZ in test period
S -
WIKI -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Matt's repair |
Thanks for the link Bill, just what I needed.
As Matt noted, the RV-8 gear will take even hard landing loads but not strai
ght up vertical loads. My damage was almost exactly what Matt's was except m
y gear leg (same as Matt's) was not bent and I had no wing damage except for
the wing tank rib. The wheel pant shattered on impact with the edge of the
taxiway and part of it fell off somewhere during my flight around the patte
rn. I heard it flopping around then stop.
The exciting part was the fuel spraying into the cabin from the damaged tank
rib. As a side note, I was glad I had plumbed the fuel line in rubber hose
instead of aluminum. It probably would have broken off like the aluminum ve
nt line did and I=99d have never made it around to land.
I=99m in the process of drilling out skin rivets and exposing the stru
cture and while it=99s not going to be a picnic, I=99m going to a
t least give repairing the fuselage a try.
Tracy Crook
> On Jul 30, 2018, at 05:53, Bill Settle wrote:
>
> Tracy,
>
> Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Matt wound up replacing his fuselage
. Not a small nor inexpensive endeavor.
>
> Details can be found here....
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=2273&
category=9041
>
> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
>
> Bill Settle
>
>
>
>
> "Experience and common sense cannot be replaced with policy and procedures
."
>
> - R.L. Nuckolls III
>
>
> From: Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com>
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Matt's repair
>
>
> I recently had an incident on takeoff (strong gust forced me off side of r
unway) and left gear attach point was forced up into the fuselage when it hi
t the edge of an intersecting taxiway. It caused the exact same airframe dam
age that Matt had on his RV-8 in landing incident.
>
> I never heard how the repair went or if it was successful and how hard was
the repair job. I=99d love to hear something from Matt or others on h
ow it went.
>
> Tracy Crook
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> >> On Jun 26, 2018, at 11:57, Brian Huffaker wrote:
> >>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Miller <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Matt's repair |
Tracy,
Please post some pictures for us when you can.
grumpy
N82W (in the paint shop now!)
> On Jul 30, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Tracy Crook wrote:
>
> Thanks for the link Bill, just what I needed.
>
> As Matt noted, the RV-8 gear will take even hard landing loads but not
straight up vertical loads. My damage was almost exactly what Matt's
was except my gear leg (same as Matt's) was not bent and I had no wing
damage except for the wing tank rib. The wheel pant shattered on impact
with the edge of the taxiway and part of it fell off somewhere during my
flight around the pattern. I heard it flopping around then stop.
>
> The exciting part was the fuel spraying into the cabin from the
damaged tank rib. As a side note, I was glad I had plumbed the fuel
line in rubber hose instead of aluminum. It probably would have broken
off like the aluminum vent line did and I=99d have never made it
around to land.
>
> I=99m in the process of drilling out skin rivets and exposing
the structure and while it=99s not going to be a picnic, I=99m
going to at least give repairing the fuselage a try.
>
> Tracy Crook
>
> On Jul 30, 2018, at 05:53, Bill Settle > wrote:
>
>> Tracy,
>>
>> Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Matt wound up replacing his
fuselage. Not a small nor inexpensive endeavor.
>>
>> Details can be found here....
>>
>>
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=2273&
category=9041
<http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=2273
&category=9041>
>>
>> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
>>
>> Bill Settle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Experience and common sense cannot be replaced with policy and
procedures."
>>
>> - R.L. Nuckolls III
>>
>>
>> From: Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com <mailto:rwstracy(at)gmail.com>>
>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 2:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Matt's repair
>>
>
>>
>> I recently had an incident on takeoff (strong gust forced me off side
of runway) and left gear attach point was forced up into the fuselage
when it hit the edge of an intersecting taxiway. It caused the exact
same airframe damage that Matt had on his RV-8 in landing incident.
>>
>> I never heard how the repair went or if it was successful and how
hard was the repair job. I=99d love to hear something from Matt
or others on how it went.
>>
>> Tracy Crook
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> >> On Jun 26, 2018, at 11:57, Brian Huffaker > wrote:
>> >>
>>
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/30/18 |
Ouch.thats a bummer..no small task
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> 1. 04:53 AM - Re: Matt's repair (Bill Settle)
> 2. 11:43 AM - Re: Matt's repair (Tracy Crook)
> 3. 02:49 PM - Re: Matt's repair (John Miller)
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> From: Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Matt's repair
>
> Tracy,
> Sorry to hear about your misfortune.=C2- Matt wound up replacing his fuse
> lage.=C2- Not a small nor inexpensive endeavor.=C2-=C2-
> Details can be found here....
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=2273&c
> ategory=9041
>
> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
> Bill Settle=C2-
>
>
> "Experience and common sense cannot be replaced with policy and procedures.
> "
>
> =C2- - R.L. Nuckolls III
>
> From: Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com>
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Matt's repair
>
>
> I recently had an incident on takeoff (strong gust forced me off side of ru
> nway) and left gear attach point was forced up into the fuselage when it hi
> t the edge of an intersecting taxiway. It caused the exact same airframe da
> mage that Matt had on his RV-8 in landing incident.
>
> I never heard how the repair went or if it was successful and how hard was
> the repair job.=C2- I=99d love to hear something from Matt or other
> s on how it went.
>
> Tracy Crook
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On Jun 26, 2018, at 11:57, Brian Huffaker wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Al Dilger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Been wondering about a few RV issues.
>>> 1=Does anyone know of an accurate fuel measuring device for RV
> =99s? (RV8A) I have Garmin G3X Touch with the Stewart Warner floats.
>>> Because the =9Cthrow=9D (depth of tank) is relatively short
> the gauges read 16 gal when full (21g) and stay there until there is about
> 13g left, aside from that they are pretty accurate.
>>> Im thinking that a dipstick type of gauge attached to the bottom of the
> fuel cap could be worked out..Any thoughts???
>>
>> A dipstick would have the same problem in the opposite direction, reading
>> nothing for the last few gallons.=C2- Also you couldn't use it in fligh
> t.
>> Would be easy enough to calibrate one starting from an empty tank.
>>
>>> 2= I would like to see an improvement to the canopy rollers, it seems
>>> to me that a hard rubber wheel would work better.
>>
>> Would be an easy change to make, but don't see why rubber wheels would be
>> an improvement.
>>
>>> 3= I remember when building I had seen a mod to allow the pilot seat
>>> back to move more rearward (My seat back sits up too straight) wonder if
>>> there is a more simple way to accommodate that then changing and
>>> modifying
>>> =C2- =C2- the center support bar.
>>
>> That would be the "tall pilot option" that Van's sells, they say it is
>> for 6'6" and up, I'm only 6'4" and have it.=C2- Have to duck to close t
> he
>> canopy if wearing headset.=C2- It is just a different center bar with t
> he
>> main support further back.=C2- The extruded angle that forms the sides
> of the
>> seatback are also left longer.
>>
>> If you have short legs, you could move the seatback hinge forward to
>> get a steeper angle and use the standard center bar.=C2- This would mea
> n less
>> leg room, need a different size/shape seat cushion.=C2- You wouldn't ha
> ve as
>> bit a flat space before the slope up at the front of the seat.
>>
>> Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
>> RV-8A N609HZ in test period
>
> S -
> WIKI -
> -
> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
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>
> From: Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Matt's repair
>
> Thanks for the link Bill, just what I needed.
>
> As Matt noted, the RV-8 gear will take even hard landing loads but not strai
> ght up vertical loads. My damage was almost exactly what Matt's was except m
> y gear leg (same as Matt's) was not bent and I had no wing damage except for
> the wing tank rib. The wheel pant shattered on impact with the edge of the
> taxiway and part of it fell off somewhere during my flight around the patte
> rn. I heard it flopping around then stop.
>
> The exciting part was the fuel spraying into the cabin from the damaged tank
> rib. As a side note, I was glad I had plumbed the fuel line in rubber hose
> instead of aluminum. It probably would have broken off like the aluminum ve
> nt line did and I=99d have never made it around to land.
>
> I=99m in the process of drilling out skin rivets and exposing the stru
> cture and while it=99s not going to be a picnic, I=99m going to a
> t least give repairing the fuselage a try.
>
> Tracy Crook
>
>> On Jul 30, 2018, at 05:53, Bill Settle wrote:
>>
>> Tracy,
>>
>> Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Matt wound up replacing his fuselage
> . Not a small nor inexpensive endeavor.
>>
>> Details can be found here....
>>
>> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=2273&
> category=9041
>>
>> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
>>
>> Bill Settle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Experience and common sense cannot be replaced with policy and procedures
> ."
>>
>> - R.L. Nuckolls III
>>
>>
>> From: Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com>
>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 2:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Matt's repair
>>
>>
>> I recently had an incident on takeoff (strong gust forced me off side of r
> unway) and left gear attach point was forced up into the fuselage when it hi
> t the edge of an intersecting taxiway. It caused the exact same airframe dam
> age that Matt had on his RV-8 in landing incident.
>>
>> I never heard how the repair went or if it was successful and how hard was
> the repair job. I=99d love to hear something from Matt or others on h
> ow it went.
>>
>> Tracy Crook
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>>> On Jun 26, 2018, at 11:57, Brian Huffaker wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: John Miller <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Matt's repair
>
> Tracy,
>
> Please post some pictures for us when you can.
>
> grumpy
> N82W (in the paint shop now!)
>
>> On Jul 30, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Tracy Crook wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the link Bill, just what I needed.
>>
>> As Matt noted, the RV-8 gear will take even hard landing loads but not
> straight up vertical loads. My damage was almost exactly what Matt's
> was except my gear leg (same as Matt's) was not bent and I had no wing
> damage except for the wing tank rib. The wheel pant shattered on impact
> with the edge of the taxiway and part of it fell off somewhere during my
> flight around the pattern. I heard it flopping around then stop.
>>
>> The exciting part was the fuel spraying into the cabin from the
> damaged tank rib. As a side note, I was glad I had plumbed the fuel
> line in rubber hose instead of aluminum. It probably would have broken
> off like the aluminum vent line did and I=99d have never made it
> around to land.
>>
>> I=99m in the process of drilling out skin rivets and exposing
> the structure and while it=99s not going to be a picnic, I=99m
> going to at least give repairing the fuselage a try.
>>
>> Tracy Crook
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2018, at 05:53, Bill Settle > wrote:
>>
>>> Tracy,
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Matt wound up replacing his
> fuselage. Not a small nor inexpensive endeavor.
>>>
>>> Details can be found here....
>>>
>>>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=2273&
> category=9041
> <http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=2273
> &category=9041>
>>>
>>> Good luck and let us know what you decide.
>>>
>>> Bill Settle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Experience and common sense cannot be replaced with policy and
> procedures."
>>>
>>> - R.L. Nuckolls III
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com <mailto:rwstracy(at)gmail.com>>
>>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 2:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Matt's repair
>>>
> >
>>>
>>> I recently had an incident on takeoff (strong gust forced me off side
> of runway) and left gear attach point was forced up into the fuselage
> when it hit the edge of an intersecting taxiway. It caused the exact
> same airframe damage that Matt had on his RV-8 in landing incident.
>>>
>>> I never heard how the repair went or if it was successful and how
> hard was the repair job. I=99d love to hear something from Matt
> or others on how it went.
>>>
>>> Tracy Crook
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2018, at 11:57, Brian Huffaker > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 Wing tank removal |
Working on the takeoff damage to the RV-8 and need to remove the tank for ac
cess and to repair the tank damage. I=99ve removed all the screws aro
und the perimeter of the tank and the three 3/16=9D bolts at the root i
nto the spar web. . That=99s all I recall holding on the tank but it r
efuses to budge more than maybe .03=9D away from its position.
Are there any other fasteners holding the tank on? I=99m in CO away f
rom my plans. Any ideas on tank removal if that=99s not the problem?
Thanks for any info or suggestions,
Tracy Crook
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Huffaker <bifft(at)xmission.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Wing tank removal |
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018, Tracy Crook wrote:
> Working on the takeoff damage to the RV-8 and need to remove the tank
>for access and to repair the tank damage. Ive removed all the screws
>around the perimeter of the tank and the three 3/16 bolts at the root
>into the spar web. . Thats all I recall holding on the tank but it
>refuses to budge more than maybe .03 away from its position.
There are about 21 3/16" bolts in the spar web going into the "z-angles"
on the back of the tank. If you only removed three at the root you left
most of them in. The rest can be removed through the wing access holes on
the bottom. Many are in the next rib bay over from the access hole, so
use a mirror and a flashlight to check that you got them all. There are
three in pretty much every rib bay behind the tank, except where the wing
walk is.
Other than that when I removed a tank to fix a fuel leak, it took a
harder pull than I was expecting to pop the skin dimples out.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 Test flying
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| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Wing tank removal |
Yes - many more 3/16=9D bolts holding the Z braces to the spar.
Access them via the bottom inspection plates.
Carl
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Tracy Crook wrote:
>
> Working on the takeoff damage to the RV-8 and need to remove the tank for a
ccess and to repair the tank damage. I=99ve removed all the screws ar
ound the perimeter of the tank and the three 3/16=9D bolts at the root
into the spar web. . That=99s all I recall holding on the tank but i
t refuses to budge more than maybe .03=9D away from its position.
>
> Are there any other fasteners holding the tank on? I=99m in CO away
from my plans. Any ideas on tank removal if that=99s not the problem
?
>
> Thanks for any info or suggestions,
> Tracy Crook
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tcwtech <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Wing tank removal |
There are like 12 or 15 bolts AN-3 through the back of the spar and into z b
rackets on the back of the tank. All accessed through the inspection hatch
es.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC
610-928-3420
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Tracy Crook wrote:
>
> Working on the takeoff damage to the RV-8 and need to remove the tank for a
ccess and to repair the tank damage. I=99ve removed all the screws ar
ound the perimeter of the tank and the three 3/16=9D bolts at the root
into the spar web. . That=99s all I recall holding on the tank but i
t refuses to budge more than maybe .03=9D away from its position.
>
> Are there any other fasteners holding the tank on? I=99m in CO away
from my plans. Any ideas on tank removal if that=99s not the problem
?
>
> Thanks for any info or suggestions,
> Tracy Crook
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Wing tank removal |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Tracy,
Same tank as the -7, AFAIK. The z brackets are behind every rib, if
memory serves. I think I can email you that page from the -7 plans, if
you want.
You can slip stuff like old credit cards or other thin items between
the back edge of the tank & the spar to lift the dimples prior to
removing the tank. I've pulled the tanks on the -4 several times. I
usually pull out the root end slightly first, using a wedge between the
nose attach angles. Then, if needed, I wedge something in the slight V
between the other end of the tank skin and the wing leading edge skin,
and push the root end back aft. This will shift the tank inboard and
move the outboard end forward slightly. Makes the rest of the removal go
easier for me.
Charlie
On 8/9/2018 6:21 PM, Tcwtech wrote:
> There are like 12 or 15 bolts AN-3 through the back of the spar and
> into z brackets on the back of the tank. All accessed through the
> inspection hatches.
>
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies, LLC
> 610-928-3420
>
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Tracy Crook > wrote:
>
>> Working on the takeoff damage to the RV-8 and need to remove the tank
>> for access and to repair the tank damage. Ive removed all the
>> screws around the perimeter of the tank and the three 3/16
>> bolts at the root into the spar web. .
>> Thats all I recall holding on the tank but it refuses to budge more
>> than maybe .03 away from its position.
>>
>> Are there any other fasteners holding the tank on? Im in CO away
>> from my plans. Any ideas on tank removal if thats not the problem?
>>
>> Thanks for any info or suggestions,
>> Tracy Crook
>>
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| From: | Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Wing tank removal |
Thank you guys. Ah, the things you forget after 17 years (holy =F0=9F=92=A9
, been that long?).
I had recently pulled a tank on the -4 which doesn=99t have the braces
. I should be able to get it from this info but thanks for offer of the pla
ns Charlie.
A copy of RV8 plans showing PN of left forward & bottom fwd. fuse parts woul
d be handy if anyone has it scanned. Will be ready to order parts soon.
Tracy Crook
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 18:14, Charlie England wrote:
>
> Hey Tracy,
>
> Same tank as the -7, AFAIK. The z brackets are behind every rib, if memory
serves. I think I can email you that page from the -7 plans, if you want.
>
> You can slip stuff like old credit cards or other thin items between the b
ack edge of the tank & the spar to lift the dimples prior to removing the ta
nk. I've pulled the tanks on the -4 several times. I usually pull out the ro
ot end slightly first, using a wedge between the nose attach angles. Then, i
f needed, I wedge something in the slight V between the other end of the tan
k skin and the wing leading edge skin, and push the root end back aft. This w
ill shift the tank inboard and move the outboard end forward slightly. Makes
the rest of the removal go easier for me.
>
> Charlie
>
>> On 8/9/2018 6:21 PM, Tcwtech wrote:
>> There are like 12 or 15 bolts AN-3 through the back of the spar and into z
brackets on the back of the tank. All accessed through the inspection hat
ches.
>>
>> Bob Newman
>> TCW Technologies, LLC
>> 610-928-3420
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Tracy Crook wrote:
>>
>>> Working on the takeoff damage to the RV-8 and need to remove the tank fo
r access and to repair the tank damage. I=99ve removed all the screws
around the perimeter of the tank and the three 3/16=9D bolts at the r
oot into the spar web. . That=99s all I recall holding on the tank bu
t it refuses to budge more than maybe .03=9D away from its position.
>>>
>>> Are there any other fasteners holding the tank on? I=99m in CO aw
ay from my plans. Any ideas on tank removal if that=99s not the probl
em?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info or suggestions,
>>> Tracy Crook
>>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Wing tank removal |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
It's not as good as having the paper plans to spread out in front of
you, but you can get a thumb drive containing the entire manual from
Van's for about $10. Find a laptop & copy it to the cloud, & copy back
to your ipad.
I'll check with Andy to see if he has a 'soft' copy, and email those
pages to you if he does.
Charlie
On 8/10/2018 7:52 AM, Tracy Crook wrote:
> Thank you guys. Ah, the things you forget after 17 years (holy ,
> been that long?).
>
> I had recently pulled a tank on the -4 which doesnt have the braces.
> I should be able to get it from this info but thanks for offer of the
> plans Charlie.
>
> A copy of RV8 plans showing PN of left forward & bottom fwd. fuse
> parts would be handy if anyone has it scanned. Will be ready to order
> parts soon.
>
> Tracy Crook
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 18:14, Charlie England > wrote:
>
>> Hey Tracy,
>>
>> Same tank as the -7, AFAIK. The z brackets are behind every rib, if
>> memory serves. I think I can email you that page from the -7 plans,
>> if you want.
>>
>> You can slip stuff like old credit cards or other thin items between
>> the back edge of the tank & the spar to lift the dimples prior to
>> removing the tank. I've pulled the tanks on the -4 several times. I
>> usually pull out the root end slightly first, using a wedge between
>> the nose attach angles. Then, if needed, I wedge something in the
>> slight V between the other end of the tank skin and the wing leading
>> edge skin, and push the root end back aft. This will shift the tank
>> inboard and move the outboard end forward slightly. Makes the rest of
>> the removal go easier for me.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> On 8/9/2018 6:21 PM, Tcwtech wrote:
>>> There are like 12 or 15 bolts AN-3 through the back of the spar and
>>> into z brackets on the back of the tank. All accessed through the
>>> inspection hatches.
>>>
>>> Bob Newman
>>> TCW Technologies, LLC
>>> 610-928-3420
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Tracy Crook >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Working on the takeoff damage to the RV-8 and need to remove the
>>>> tank for access and to repair the tank damage. Ive removed all
>>>> the screws around the perimeter of the tank and the three 3/16
>>>> bolts at the root into the spar web.
>>>> . Thats all I recall holding on the tank but it refuses to budge
>>>> more than maybe .03 away from its position.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any other fasteners holding the tank on? Im in CO away
>>>> from my plans. Any ideas on tank removal if thats not the problem?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any info or suggestions,
>>>> Tracy Crook
>>>>
>>
>>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Wing tank removal |
No joy on the soft copy, but he's built/rebuilt several -8s. Want me to see
if he has an extra set of printed plans he'd sell, if no one can send you a
pdf of those pages?
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Charlie England
wrote:
> It's not as good as having the paper plans to spread out in front of you,
> but you can get a thumb drive containing the entire manual from Van's for
> about $10. Find a laptop & copy it to the cloud, & copy back to your ipad
.
>
> I'll check with Andy to see if he has a 'soft' copy, and email those page
s
> to you if he does.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 8/10/2018 7:52 AM, Tracy Crook wrote:
>
> Thank you guys. Ah, the things you forget after 17 years (holy =F0=9F=92
=A9, been
> that long?).
>
> I had recently pulled a tank on the -4 which doesn=99t have the bra
ces. I
> should be able to get it from this info but thanks for offer of the plans
> Charlie.
>
> A copy of RV8 plans showing PN of left forward & bottom fwd. fuse parts
> would be handy if anyone has it scanned. Will be ready to order parts so
on.
>
> Tracy Crook
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 18:14, Charlie England wrote:
>
> Hey Tracy,
>
> Same tank as the -7, AFAIK. The z brackets are behind every rib, if memor
y
> serves. I think I can email you that page from the -7 plans, if you want.
>
> You can slip stuff like old credit cards or other thin items between the
> back edge of the tank & the spar to lift the dimples prior to removing th
e
> tank. I've pulled the tanks on the -4 several times. I usually pull out t
he
> root end slightly first, using a wedge between the nose attach angles.
> Then, if needed, I wedge something in the slight V between the other end
of
> the tank skin and the wing leading edge skin, and push the root end back
> aft. This will shift the tank inboard and move the outboard end forward
> slightly. Makes the rest of the removal go easier for me.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 8/9/2018 6:21 PM, Tcwtech wrote:
>
> There are like 12 or 15 bolts AN-3 through the back of the spar and into
z
> brackets on the back of the tank. All accessed through the inspection
> hatches.
>
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies, LLC
> 610-928-3420
>
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Tracy Crook wrote:
>
> Working on the takeoff damage to the RV-8 and need to remove the tank for
> access and to repair the tank damage. I=99ve removed all the screw
s around
> the perimeter of the tank and the three 3/16=9D bolts at the root i
nto the
> spar web. . That=99s all I recall holding on the tank but it refus
es to
> budge more than maybe .03=9D away from its position.
>
> Are there any other fasteners holding the tank on? I=99m in CO awa
y from my
> plans. Any ideas on tank removal if that=99s not the problem?
>
> Thanks for any info or suggestions,
> Tracy Crook
>
>
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| From: | Tracy Crook <rwstracy(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Wing tank removal |
Thanks Charlie. The thumb drive is a perfect solution. It will be here by t
he time I need it.
Tracy
> On Aug 10, 2018, at 08:46, Charlie England wrote:
>
> No joy on the soft copy, but he's built/rebuilt several -8s. Want me to se
e if he has an extra set of printed plans he'd sell, if no one can send you a
pdf of those pages?
>
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Charlie England w
rote:
>> It's not as good as having the paper plans to spread out in front of you,
but you can get a thumb drive containing the entire manual from Van's for a
bout $10. Find a laptop & copy it to the cloud, & copy back to your ipad.
>>
>> I'll check with Andy to see if he has a 'soft' copy, and email those page
s to you if he does.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>> On 8/10/2018 7:52 AM, Tracy Crook wrote:
>>> Thank you guys. Ah, the things you forget after 17 years (holy =F0=9F=92
=A9, been that long?).
>>>
>>> I had recently pulled a tank on the -4 which doesn=99t have the br
aces. I should be able to get it from this info but thanks for offer of the
plans Charlie.
>>>
>>> A copy of RV8 plans showing PN of left forward & bottom fwd. fuse parts w
ould be handy if anyone has it scanned. Will be ready to order parts soon.
>>>
>>> Tracy Crook
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2018, at 18:14, Charlie England wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Tracy,
>>>>
>>>> Same tank as the -7, AFAIK. The z brackets are behind every rib, if mem
ory serves. I think I can email you that page from the -7 plans, if you want
.
>>>>
>>>> You can slip stuff like old credit cards or other thin items between t
he back edge of the tank & the spar to lift the dimples prior to removing th
e tank. I've pulled the tanks on the -4 several times. I usually pull out th
e root end slightly first, using a wedge between the nose attach angles. The
n, if needed, I wedge something in the slight V between the other end of the
tank skin and the wing leading edge skin, and push the root end back aft. T
his will shift the tank inboard and move the outboard end forward slightly. M
akes the rest of the removal go easier for me.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/9/2018 6:21 PM, Tcwtech wrote:
>>>>> There are like 12 or 15 bolts AN-3 through the back of the spar and in
to z brackets on the back of the tank. All accessed through the inspection
hatches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Newman
>>>>> TCW Technologies, LLC
>>>>> 610-928-3420
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>>>>> On Aug 9, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Tracy Crook wrote:
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>>>>>> Working on the takeoff damage to the RV-8 and need to remove the tank
for access and to repair the tank damage. I=99ve removed all the scr
ews around the perimeter of the tank and the three 3/16=9D bolts at th
e root into the spar web. . That=99s all I recall holding on the tank
but it refuses to budge more than maybe .03=9D away from its position
.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any other fasteners holding the tank on? I=99m in CO
away from my plans. Any ideas on tank removal if that=99s not the pr
oblem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any info or suggestions,
>>>>>> Tracy Crook
>>>>>>
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| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/12/18 |
anyone ever changed out the Vans fuel valve for an Andair in RV10?
Would appreciate some feedback if so..Thanks
Al Dilger
L45
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Not sure you intended this for the RV-8 list.
Yes, many RV-10 builders including myself have installed the Andair
valve. Best done with the shaft extension.
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/12/18 |
Anyone changed a fuel selector valve on RV10? need some advice thanks
Al Dilger L45 Bakersfield CA
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Have a friends RV10 with two rivets on left wing fuel tank ( top inboard fwd under
wing walk) which are leaking fuel, very slight leak, only when tank is full.
Anyone have any luck with this ? Word from Vans is the stiffeners are not attached
to the rib so it has become a small problem from people walking on that part
of the wing getting in and out
causes the rivets to stretch.
Im thinking of trying Permatex Thread Sealant or Loctite 290 first then Pro Seal
if they dont work. (also looking at Click Bond Patch) prior to doing the complete
removal of tank etc.
Would appreciate any input from anyone who has experienced this.
Thanks
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Had. Fuel drain leak on my leg strut and wheel pants
Blue dye for a week........ (RV8A)
Tried everything, acetone, alcohol, 100LL, carb cleaner best so far but still not
getting it, anyone have any idea.
Took them off letting them soak in the sun, but I think Im just going
to have to repaint them.
Bummer!
Thx for any suggestions
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100LL dye will stain to a limited degree. 100LL will remove most of it
with the least paint damage. MEK will be a bit stronger in removal, but
can attack some paints as well.
On 10/14/2018 3:22 PM, Al Dilger wrote:
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> Had. Fuel drain leak on my leg strut and wheel pants
> Blue dye for a week........ (RV8A)
> Tried everything, acetone, alcohol, 100LL, carb cleaner best so far but still
not getting it, anyone have any idea.
> Took them off letting them soak in the sun, but I think Im just going
> to have to repaint them.
> Bummer!
> Thx for any suggestions
> Sent from my iPad
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Try going easy on it with lacquer thinner.
Chris
Sent from my iPhone
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> 100LL dye will stain to a limited degree. 100LL will remove most of it with the
least paint damage. MEK will be a bit stronger in removal, but can attack some
paints as well.
>
>> On 10/14/2018 3:22 PM, Al Dilger wrote:
>> Had. Fuel drain leak on my leg strut and wheel pants
>> Blue dye for a week........ (RV8A)
>> Tried everything, acetone, alcohol, 100LL, carb cleaner best so far but still
not getting it, anyone have any idea.
>> Took them off letting them soak in the sun, but I think Im just going
>> to have to repaint them.
>> Bummer!
>> Thx for any suggestions
>> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/13/18 |
Going out on a limb here but toothpaste or a very light rubbing compound ( auto
parts store detailing section) might save the day here
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 15, 2018, at 09:15, Chris Lynch wrote:
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> Try going easy on it with lacquer thinner.
> Chris
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>> On Oct 14, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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>>
>> 100LL dye will stain to a limited degree. 100LL will remove most of it with
the least paint damage. MEK will be a bit stronger in removal, but can attack
some paints as well.
>>
>>> On 10/14/2018 3:22 PM, Al Dilger wrote:
>>> Had. Fuel drain leak on my leg strut and wheel pants
>>> Blue dye for a week........ (RV8A)
>>> Tried everything, acetone, alcohol, 100LL, carb cleaner best so far but still
not getting it, anyone have any idea.
>>> Took them off letting them soak in the sun, but I think Im just going
>>> to have to repaint them.
>>> Bummer!
>>> Thx for any suggestions
>>> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/13/18 |
I think you might remove the stain with more fuel. It will pick up the dye
then wipe immediately with a cleaner of some sort. I would try that before
painting again.
On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 9:25 PM S H wrote:
>
> Going out on a limb here but toothpaste or a very light rubbing compound
(
> auto parts store detailing section) might save the day here
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 15, 2018, at 09:15, Chris Lynch wrote:
> >
> >
> > Try going easy on it with lacquer thinner.
> > Chris
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 14, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Kelly McMullen
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> 100LL dye will stain to a limited degree. 100LL will remove most of it
> with the least paint damage. MEK will be a bit stronger in removal, but c
an
> attack some paints as well.
> >>
> >>> On 10/14/2018 3:22 PM, Al Dilger wrote:
> >>> Had. Fuel drain leak on my leg strut and wheel pants
> >>> Blue dye for a week.......=F0=9F=98-. (RV8A)
> >>> Tried everything, acetone, alcohol, 100LL, carb cleaner best so far
> but still not getting it, anyone have any idea.
> >>> Took them off letting them soak in the sun, but I think I=99m j
ust going
> >>> to have to repaint them.
> >>> Bummer!
> >>> Thx for any suggestions
> >>> Sent from my iPad
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| From: | speedy11(at)aol.com |
Al,
I use 100LL to remove 100LL.
Stan Sutterfield
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/15/18 |
thanks for all the suggestions, nothing has helped, using gas only removes what
hasnt been on too long.
think it sat for over a week before I saw it
just going to repaint them. (could not find MEKthank you California!!!)
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> From: Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/13/18
>
> I think you might remove the stain with more fuel. It will pick up the dye
> then wipe immediately with a cleaner of some sort. I would try that before
> painting again.
>
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 9:25 PM S H wrote:
>
>>
>> Going out on a limb here but toothpaste or a very light rubbing compound
> (
>> auto parts store detailing section) might save the day here
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2018, at 09:15, Chris Lynch wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Try going easy on it with lacquer thinner.
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Oct 14, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Kelly McMullen
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 100LL dye will stain to a limited degree. 100LL will remove most of it
>> with the least paint damage. MEK will be a bit stronger in removal, but c
> an
>> attack some paints as well.
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/14/2018 3:22 PM, Al Dilger wrote:
>>>>> Had. Fuel drain leak on my leg strut and wheel pants
>>>>> Blue dye for a week.......=F0=9F=98-. (RV8A)
>>>>> Tried everything, acetone, alcohol, 100LL, carb cleaner best so far
>> but still not getting it, anyone have any idea.
>>>>> Took them off letting them soak in the sun, but I think I=99m j
> ust going
>>>>> to have to repaint them.
>>>>> Bummer!
>>>>> Thx for any suggestions
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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> From: speedy11(at)aol.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: 100LL Stain
>
> Al,
>
>
> I use 100LL to remove 100LL.
>
>
> Stan Sutterfield
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| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/18/18 |
Anybody have a mod for the rear seat side panels on RV8A ?
Where flap actuator rods are, wasted much needed storage space, trying to get some
ideas
Thx
N315DF L45 Bakersfield CA
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| From: | speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/18 |
Al,
In the front seat, I hinged my arm rests inboard and placed a "drop down" CB tray
underneath. One could easily do the same thing in either cockpit and add a
storage box under it.
I also added small storage compartments below the rear cockpit throttle and on
the opposite side, as well, but they proved to be not very useful.
If you want photos send me a note at my email.
Regards,
Stam Sutterfield
From: Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/18/18
Anybody have a mod for the rear seat side panels on RV8A ?
Where flap actuator rods are, wasted much needed storage space, trying to get some
ideas
Thx
N315DF L45 Bakersfield CA
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 3D Model of RV-8 for Home Designer Pro...? |
Does Anyone have a 3D model of an RV-8 or RV-4 for Home Designer Pro?
A Cessna 210, the only airplane that comes with, but, meh....
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
Emacs!
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 210+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
RV-4 #1763 N804RV "The Kiss me Kate"
http://www.mattsrv4.com
Status: Electrical and Instrument Panel...
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Miller <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 3D Model of RV-8 for Home Designer Pro...? |
Nothing in the email, Matt.
grumpy
> On Oct 27, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 3D Model of RV-8 for Home Designer Pro...? |
Attachment was inline. Here's a bitmap file attachment.
Sample of Home Designer Pro of my hangar/workshop design. Need an RV-8 in there
not a C-210... ;-P
https://www.homedesignersoftware.com/products/home-designer-pro/?gclid=CjwKCAjwmdDeBRA8EiwAXlarFuCfLeiSk7xntqgnrJm4-oGrxSzbAXbFNcLhUmMZUwNSgqAEgx3ykBoCDscQAvD_BwE
At 11:53 AM 10/27/2018 Saturday, John Miller wrote:
>
>Nothing in the email, Matt.
>
>grumpy
>
>> On Oct 27, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2018 Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or other related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search , List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. YOUR personal Contribution
counts!
This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go along
with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are 9 great gifts to choose
from! There's something for everyone, to be sure.
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a Credit Card, PayPal, or by Personal Check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Clark Carroll <carrollswa(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Please remove from all lists
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 3, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the
November Fund Raiser.
>
> Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
>
> You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
>
> Matronics / Matt Dralle
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore, CA 94550
>
> Thank you in advance for your generous support!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting to tap
into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted here, but have
always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet these days, a user
is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap that they don't
want. Yahoo, Google and that ilk are not "free". The user must constantly
endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their face at an ever increasing
rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics choose not to succumb
to that.
That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot
of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, Commercial-greade
Internet Connection, air conditioning, maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc.
I choose to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year during the month of November
where I simply send out a short email every other day asking the members to make
a small contribution to support the operation. That being said, that contribution
is completely voluntary and non-compulsory. Many members choose not
to contribute and that's fine.
However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a contribution
and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And that's
it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of maintaining the
Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a single advertisement
or request for support. That's refreshing and that is a List and Forum
that I want to belong to. I think other people feel the same way.
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Contribution - Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during
this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through
YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are
so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have
it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been
putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it!
The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose
from this year. I personally want at least three of them! There's probably
something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your
Lists!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming Soon! |
Dear Listers,
There's just two more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means
the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are covered solely
through your Contributions during this time of the year.
*Your* personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running for another
great year!
Use a credit card or your PayPal account here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by sending a personal check to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have
helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying
Contribution too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been
putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it!
The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose
from this year. I personally want at least three of them! There's probably
something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your
Lists!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists!
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists. Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List
of Contributors (LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years,
the List seems at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your
typical magazine subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have
helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the
List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List
services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 30 years (yeah, I really said
*30* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining
the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places
on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR
CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a Two days left for this year's List Fund Raiser! If you've been
putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it!
The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose
from this year. I personally want at least three of them! There's probably
something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your
Lists!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists!
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again
- 55! :-) But it also means that it's that last official day of the Matronics
Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about picking up one of those
really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2018 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2018 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and it's time that I published this year's List of Contributors.
It is the people on this list that directly make these Email Lists and Forums
possible! Their generous Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection
up and running!
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2018 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc
Thank you again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: 3D Model of RV-8 for Home Designer Pro...? |
| From: | "swatiteke" <swati123.teke(at)gmail.com> |
Great post.Thanks for sharing :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=489083#489083
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| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Sat Jun 1st Fly in L45 Bakersfield |
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/04/19 |
| From: | al dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone have a line on Canopy release handle for back seat pax on RV8A?
Appreciate any input
Thx
Al Dilger
N315DF
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/04/19 |
| From: | al dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone have a line on Canopy release handle for back seat pax on RV8A?
Appreciate any input
Thx
Al Dilger
N315DF
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 11:43 PM, RV8-List Digest Server
wrote:
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> *
>
> =================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> =================================================
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> Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
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| From: | speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rear Seat Canopy Release Handle |
Al,What I tell my passengers is, if I am unable to help, to reach forward t
o open the canopy using the front seat handle.=C2- If you sit in the rear
seat you should find that the forward handle is reachable.=C2- Even some
one who is short, such as a child, can reach it.=C2- In fact, small peopl
e can reach it easier because they can squeeze forward easier than large pe
ople.=C2- Adults should have no problem reaching the handle.I tell them t
o turn the handle 90 degrees counterclockwise to release and then pull symm
etrically on both sides of the canopy.I also keep a canopy breaker tool in
the cockpit for them to use in case the airplane is inverted and resting on
the canopy, thus making it difficult to slide even though they can reach t
he handle.As far as a secondary handle added for the rear seat, I have not
heard of anyone doing that.Regards,=C2-Stan Sutterfield
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/04/19
From: al dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com>
Anyone have a line on Canopy release handle for back seat pax on RV8A?
Appreciate any input
Thx
Al Dilger
N315DF
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2018 Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or other related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search , List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. YOUR personal Contribution
counts!
This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go along
with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are 9 great gifts to choose
from! There's something for everyone, to be sure.
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a Credit Card, PayPal, or by Personal Check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Builder-Pilot
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2019 Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or other related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search , List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. YOUR personal Contribution
counts!
This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go along
with the various Contribution levels. In fact, there are 12 great gifts to choose
from! There's something for everyone, to be sure.
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a Credit Card, PayPal, or by Personal Check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Builder-Pilot
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Please take me off your lists, no more RV's.=C2- Thanks, Ray Grenier
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2019 6:50 am
Subject: RV8-List: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and For
ums.=C2- The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions d
uring the November Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these services.=C2- You can pick up a really nice gift for mak
ing your Contribution too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here
:
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Matronics / Matt Dralle
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- 581 Jeannie Way
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
S -
WIKI -
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=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have
helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are
so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have
it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the
given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods,
there is no simple way to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting to tap
into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted here, but have
always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet these days, a user
is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap that they don't
want. Yahoo, Google and that ilk are not "free". The user must constantly
endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their face at an ever increasing
rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics choose not to succumb
to that.
That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot
of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, Commercial-greade
Internet Connection, air conditioning, maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc.
I choose to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year during the month of November
where I simply send out a short email every other day asking the members to make
a small contribution to support the operation. That being said, that contribution
is completely voluntary and non-compulsory. Many members choose not
to contribute and that's fine.
However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a contribution
and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And that's
it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of maintaining the
Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a single advertisement
or request for support. That's refreshing and that is a List and Forum
that I want to belong to. I think other people feel the same way.
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming Soon! |
Dear Listers,
There's just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means
the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during
this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through
YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have
helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Performance Numbers - IO-390/Hartzell/RV-8 |
| From: | "LecrameMark" <lecramermark(at)yahoo.com> |
How many numbers... Numbers are one of the most common mysteries of mankind. Every number you meet in your life means something specific. This is called numerology. I believe in numbers and that they have energy. As strange as it may sound my words - I'm not crazy) If you want to read about numbers - go here https://www.sunsigns.org/angel-number-555-meaning/ and find out what they stand for.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493102#493102
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94551-0347
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for
my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94551-0347
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for over 35 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during that time, along with a fair amount of embedded
system and software development as well.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 80 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local 1G Internet router, and a commercial-grade business 1Gb/s Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a quad-processor Xeon Linux server for
List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the email processing
List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage
disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based
backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage! This entire system is protected
by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that
assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking
of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems.
One month a couple of Summers ago, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity
alone!
Recently, I upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists.
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But, building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It
is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550-7227
USA
There are some great gifts available with qualifying Contribution levels too!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner with just few more days
in this year's Fund Raiser! Later in December I will post a list of everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists this year. Its
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists.
Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard,
or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Clark Carroll <carrollswa(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Make Sure You're Listed! |
Please unsubscribe me from all lists.
Thank you
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 25, 2019, at 1:13 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner with just few more days
in this year's Fund Raiser! Later in December I will post a list of everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists this year. Its
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
>
> Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell
others that you appreciate the Lists.
>
> Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa,
MasterCard, or Paypal account:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
>
> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
>
> I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving!
>
> Thank you!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
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| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/20 |
Hi All, Well Im ticked off, went to hanger today to do a breakfast flight, left
main fuel drain dripped fuel, stained the gear leg fairing (white epoxy paint).
Had this happen once before..I seldom ever drain the sumps in my RV8A because in
almost seven years I have never had any water or sediment.
The last time I did it I thought, "well its been years might as well check , drained
both, no water no debriscame back a week later, both o rings in both petcocks
bad, both gear leg fairings, both wheel pants
stained so bad I had to repaint them all. (I found nothing to remove the stain,
100LL worked the best) Now I have to do it again, (at least its only one side)
but Im pissed.
Im seriously thinking of removing the petcocks and insert plugs then just drain
at condition inspection.
I wish there were better quality drains or petcocks to avoid this problem. In
over 50 years in Aviation been so rare, now twice on my own airplane, petcocks
probably made in China.
So frustrating
Wonder if anyone has seen a cap or plug that covers the petcock so if it does leak
slightly it wont stain the paint.
Al Dilger
Bakersfield CA
L45 RV8A N315DF
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| From: | speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/25/20 |
Al,I have the same frustrations.=C2- And I use the same techniques.I drai
n the tanks and replace the sump valves every three years.StanDaytona Beach
Hi All, Well Im ticked off, went to hanger today to do a breakfast flight,
left
main fuel drain dripped fuel, stained the gear leg fairing (white epoxy pai
nt).
Had this happen once before..I seldom ever drain the sumps in my RV8A becau
se in
almost seven years I have never had any water or sediment.
The last time I did it I thought, "well its been years might as well check
, drained
both, no water no debriscame back a week later, both o rings in both petcoc
ks
bad, both gear leg fairings, both wheel pants
stained so bad I had to repaint them all. (I found nothing to remove the st
ain,
100LL worked the best)=C2- Now I have to do it again, (at least its only
one side)
but Im pissed.
Im seriously thinking of removing the petcocks and insert plugs then just d
rain
at condition inspection.
I wish there were better quality drains or petcocks to avoid this problem.
=C2- In
over 50 years in Aviation been so rare, now twice on my own airplane, petco
cks
probably made in China.
So frustrating
Wonder if anyone has seen a cap or plug that covers the petcock so if it do
es leak
slightly it wont stain the paint.
Al Dilger
Bakersfield CA
L45 RV8A N315DF
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| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/07/20 |
Hi Folks, I have an RV8A which now for the second time I have had fuel drains leak,
not realizing it until days later, fuel dye stain down gear leg fairing and
wheel pants.
I rarely drain my sumps after years, have never had any water, the two times Ive
done it, they leaked. Im aware of sediment or O rings going bad, careful to
make sure its reseated after draining (or at least it appears)
I have JD Air Parts Drain Fairings on the drains which look nice and are aerodynamically
efficient. So after fixing this a second time, by removing the stained
fairings, sand and repaint, replaced the drains.
I think I found the cause.the Drain Fairings that the drains go through are about
.150 thick, which only allowed about .200 of the threads of drain to go into
wing (this normally would be ok however I apparently
didnt get any thread sealant on those first few threads because I didnt want to
get sealant on the O ring.)
I removed and replaced the drains without the old drain fairings, so I know there
good now. I really do like the looks of the Drain fairings and have found out
that JD AirParts have redesigned the Fairings so they are not held on by the
drain but with a clamp and set screw. (The old ones required you to take the
drain out to get it off the new ones can go on/off without messing with the drain,
which was the reason for the redesign)
So I will probably order the new ones soon ($68 pair) What brings me to all this
is, has anyone had same experience with the stain? The problem of course is
the drain sitting directly above the gear leg fairing.
I found it impossible to get the stain off, the most effective, was using more
fuel but only worked if hadnt been on too long. I tried every cleaner, degreaser,
compound etcNothing worked.
I am now thinking of Paint Protective Film on the gear leg fairings and wonder
if anyone has any input on this. Im going to try this on the workbench first.
Also I have cut two pieces of 1/2 plastic tubing about one foot long to place
over the drain after flying, while its sitting in the hanger so if it leaks, it
drains on the floor and not fairing,
Thanks for any input
Al Dilger
Bakersfield CA
L45 N315DF
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Test; List Server Issues Resolved... |
Dear Listers,
The Matronics Email List Server was having some issues and not accepting incoming
posts for a couple of days. It is resolved now.
Sorry for the hassle...
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Matt Dralle
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| From: | pplous <pplous(at)aol.com> |
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| Subject: | A few questions, take 2 |
Matt,
The last attempt came out as random characters. Can we try again? Much obli
ged.=C2-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RV 8 listers, a few=C2-questions for your collective
wisdom:
1. Did anyone=C2-wrap or otherwise=C2-protect the SCAT tubing that runs
from the right wing NACA inlet to the fresh air vent in the rear seat?
2. How did you route the static air tubing from the bulkhead behind the rea
r seat to the instrument panel?
3. Did you install instruments or engine/ firewall forward first?=C2-
4. Anyone have a good or bad experience with an Advanced Flight Systems pan
el?
5. If you have rear seat rudder pedals, how did you route the cables around
the rear footwells? Any trouble with getting smooth travel?=C2-
6. Has anyone used a Dynon AoA pitot tube and static air system with non-Dy
non avionics?
7. Can I run coax cables for both VHF comm radios next to each other or do
they need separation?=C2-
Thanks! Stay safe, sane, and healthy out there.=C2-
v/r,P2
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| From: | bifft(at)xmission.com |
| Subject: | Re: A few questions, take 2 |
Quoting pplous(at)aol.com:
> 1. Did anyonewrap or otherwiseprotect the SCAT tubing that runs
> from the right wing NACA inlet to the fresh air vent in the rear seat?
No, figured that the SCAT tubing was enough protection itself. It
isn't carrying fuel or electricity, so the worst that could happen is
it leaks air.
> 2. How did you route the static air tubing from the bulkhead behind
> the rear seat to the instrument panel?
Didn't route from the back seat to the instrument panel. The plans
show a forward NACA intake ahead of the panel for the front seat vent.
> 3. Did you install instruments or engine/ firewall forward first?
Did engine first and then instruments. Wouldn't have anything to hook
up the engine instruments otherwise.
> 4. Anyone have a good or bad experience with an Advanced Flight
> Systems panel?
> 5. If you have rear seat rudder pedals, how did you route the cables
> around the rear footwells? Any trouble with getting smooth travel?
> 6. Has anyone used a Dynon AoA pitot tube and static air system with
> non-Dynon avionics?
None of these apply to my plane.
> 7. Can I run coax cables for both VHF comm radios next to each other
> or do they need separation?
Coax is shielded so it should be ok. Checking Aeroelectric
connection I don't find anything recommending against it.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL
RV-8A N609HZ test flying
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| Subject: | Re: A few questions, take 2 |
| From: | "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Check out:
http://www.mattsrv8.com
Matt
RV-8 400+ hours
>
>
> Quoting pplous(at)aol.com:
>
>> 1. Did anyonewrap or otherwiseprotect the SCAT tubing that runs
>> from the right wing NACA inlet to the fresh air vent in the rear seat?
>
> No, figured that the SCAT tubing was enough protection itself. It
> isn't carrying fuel or electricity, so the worst that could happen is
> it leaks air.
>
>> 2. How did you route the static air tubing from the bulkhead behind
>> the rear seat to the instrument panel?
>
> Didn't route from the back seat to the instrument panel. The plans
> show a forward NACA intake ahead of the panel for the front seat vent.
>
>> 3. Did you install instruments or engine/ firewall forward first?
>
> Did engine first and then instruments. Wouldn't have anything to hook
> up the engine instruments otherwise.
>
>> 4. Anyone have a good or bad experience with an Advanced Flight
>> Systems panel?
>> 5. If you have rear seat rudder pedals, how did you route the cables
>> around the rear footwells? Any trouble with getting smooth travel?
>> 6. Has anyone used a Dynon AoA pitot tube and static air system with
>> non-Dynon avionics?
>
> None of these apply to my plane.
>
>
>> 7. Can I run coax cables for both VHF comm radios next to each other
>> or do they need separation?
>
> Coax is shielded so it should be ok. Checking Aeroelectric
> connection I don't find anything recommending against it.
>
> Brian Huffaker, DSWL
> RV-8A N609HZ test flying
>
>
--
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| From: | Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A few questions, take 2 |
I dont get to input to very many of these questions - here is one I can comfortably
answer: Re question #7 running coax cables together - I have two coax cables
(RG400 - the expensive gold stuff) running together to a Garmin 480 and an
SL-30 - in nearly 11 years there has never been a problem - important thing
is to terminate the cables correctly - if youre not sure ask for help - and please
dont ask how i know that
Dan Bergeron
11 years and 863 hours on RV-7A - N307TB
> On Jun 12, 2020, at 6:02 PM, bifft(at)xmission.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Quoting pplous(at)aol.com:
>
>> 1. Did anyone wrap or otherwise protect the SCAT tubing that runs from the right
wing NACA inlet to the fresh air vent in the rear seat?
>
> No, figured that the SCAT tubing was enough protection itself. It isn't carrying
fuel or electricity, so the worst that could happen is it leaks air.
>
>> 2. How did you route the static air tubing from the bulkhead behind the rear
seat to the instrument panel?
>
> Didn't route from the back seat to the instrument panel. The plans show a forward
NACA intake ahead of the panel for the front seat vent.
>
>> 3. Did you install instruments or engine/ firewall forward first?
>
> Did engine first and then instruments. Wouldn't have anything to hook up the
engine instruments otherwise.
>
>> 4. Anyone have a good or bad experience with an Advanced Flight Systems panel?
>> 5. If you have rear seat rudder pedals, how did you route the cables around
the rear footwells? Any trouble with getting smooth travel?
>> 6. Has anyone used a Dynon AoA pitot tube and static air system with non-Dynon
avionics?
>
> None of these apply to my plane.
>
>
>> 7. Can I run coax cables for both VHF comm radios next to each other or do they
need separation?
>
> Coax is shielded so it should be ok. Checking Aeroelectric connection I don't
find anything recommending against it.
>
> Brian Huffaker, DSWL
> RV-8A N609HZ test flying
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Bean <jimbean6(at)optimum.net> |
| Subject: | After prop overhaul |
I may be repeating knowledge already well known but I didn't know.
After getting my prop back from overhaul by Sensenich I couldn't get the front
spinner plate
to align with the spinner. It is attached to the prop dome with 4 capscrews. It
seemed that the
dome had to be rotated slightly. The Sensenich rep said no don't do that. The problem
is that the dome is screwed on and torqued and so doesn't return to the same position
it
was in when you drilled the holes. He says this is a common problem with some Pipers.
The Sensenich solution is to make the holes in the plate into slots. This is what
I did.
Another solution is to just make a new spinner plate. It only means installing
6 nutplates.
cheers Jim
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| From: | Dave Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Rv-8 kit for sale |
Hi all,
I am about to order and RV8 kit. (I do not want an -A)
I would prefer to acquire an in-progress kit if possible.
Before I order new, is anyone interested in selling?
I am near Waukesha, WI.
KUES
Thx.
Dave Leikam
414-807-5499
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| Subject: | Over 2000 Courtesy Cars |
| From: | "gbrasch" <airportcars101(at)gmail.com> |
AirportCourtesyCars.com website has just surpassed over 2000 courtesy car listings
at over 1,540 locations nationwide. Listings include pilot comments, car pictures
and more. The website is kept updated with new listings and corrections
by pilots like you. You can contact the owner, Glenn Brasch with updates at
airportcars101(at)gmail.com Funding of the site is dependent mostly on donations,
which are much appreciated.
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Website www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=497705#497705
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| From: | edward Clegg <edwclg(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/16/20 |
Has anyone had problems with the Vans supplied throttle/mixture cables for
RV 8s'?
Both bound up after 8 years, I replaced them and now have an issue with
mixture cables' throw reduced to under 2 inches resulting in inability to
shut a/c down with mixture.
Thanks,
Ed Clegg
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| From: | speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/17/20 |
Ed,Those cable require regular maintenance.=C2- If you don't they will te
nd to bind.=C2- That is true of all cables, not just Van's.Personally I s
pray them with Kroil at each annual, and sometime more often.=C2- Sprayin
g the outside of the cable housing is sufficient and allow it to creep insi
de.=C2- It is easy to see when it has absorbed inside.=C2- There are ce
rtain sections of my cables that I can't spray to to limited access, but th
ey are mostly straight sections and thus, less likely to bind.Regards,Stan
Sutterfield
From: edward Clegg <edwclg(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/16/20
Has anyone had problems with the Vans supplied throttle/mixture cables for
RV 8s'?
Both bound up after 8 years, I replaced them and now have an issue with
mixture cables' throw reduced to under 2 inches resulting in inability to
shut a/c down with mixture.
Thanks,
Ed Clegg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | edward Clegg <edwclg(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/18/20 |
Thanks Stan,
The Kroil will actually penetrate the outer cover?
Ed
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> From: speedy11(at)aol.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/17/20
>
> Ed,Those cable require regular maintenance.=C2- If you don't they will te
> nd to bind.=C2- That is true of all cables, not just Van's.Personally I s
> pray them with Kroil at each annual, and sometime more often.=C2- Sprayin
> g the outside of the cable housing is sufficient and allow it to creep insi
> de.=C2- It is easy to see when it has absorbed inside.=C2- There are ce
> rtain sections of my cables that I can't spray to to limited access, but th
> ey are mostly straight sections and thus, less likely to bind.Regards,Stan
> Sutterfield
>
> From: edward Clegg <edwclg(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/16/20
>
> Has anyone had problems with the Vans supplied throttle/mixture cables for
> RV 8s'?
> Both bound up after 8 years, I replaced them and now have an issue with
> mixture cables' throw reduced to under 2 inches resulting in inability to
> shut a/c down with mixture.
> Thanks,
> Ed Clegg
>
>
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| From: | speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/20 |
Yes, it will.=C2- Try it.=C2- You will see it soak into the cable housi
ng.Stan
From: edward Clegg <edwclg(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/18/20
Thanks Stan,
The Kroil will actually penetrate the outer cover?
Ed
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics List Fund Raiser Postponed During 2020... |
Dear Listers,
Normally, in November I hold a List Fund Raiser where I ask Listers to make a Contribution
to support the operation and upkeep of these List resources.
In light of the happenings during this 2020 season, I have decided to postpone
the Fund Raiser this year and encourage members to focus on their families and
personal needs.
I want to thank everyone that has supported the Lists in the past. Despite the
uncertain times we're experiencing right now, I want to assure everyone that
I fully intend to continue supporting the Lists as I always have; with no anticipated
degradation in service levels.
Happy Holidays to all my friends around the world!
Matt Dralle
Matronics List Manager
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| Subject: | FS: Lightspeed Dual Plasma III |
| From: | "lenleg" <len.leggette(at)gmail.com> |
Absolutely like new. Comes complete with all wiring harnesses, spark plug leads,
2 extra coils, manual, coils, pick up sensors with mounting brackets, 2 pick
up rings (one with magnets at 39 degrees and one at 45 degree). I had high compression
pistons and had to have one with different magnet location.
492 hours on system. Performing flawlessly when removed from engine in late November.
I just changed engines and my new engine came with Pmags. Email me for photos.
len.leggette(at)gmail.com
$2000
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499648#499648
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Need Built and Tested Left PP QB Fuel Tank for RV-8... |
Dear Listers,
After my landing mishap in 2011, the replacement left fuel tank I had
built for my PP QB RV-8 has big leaks in at least four places. Slosh
would probably fix it, but everybody including Van's says "don't slosh!".
Does anyone have a lead on a Pre-Punched, preferably Quick Build LEFT
Fuel Tank for an RV-8 that is in 10/10 condition? Maybe from an RV-8
that had only right wing damage. I would like a tank that is proven
to not leak with no damage, and with a fixed fuel pickup.
I would love to get my RV-8 back in the air. The prospect of
building a new fuel tank from parts seems daunting and time consuming
right now, and prone to dealing with leaks again.
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
RV-8 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
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| Subject: | Re: Need Built and Tested Left PP QB Fuel Tank for RV-8... |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
Matt,
Mooney Aircraft has specified a top coat PR1005 since at least 1975 for
all of their fuel tanks. I have had the pleasure of both removing and
applying this sealant(as well as a complete reseal of one and partial
other tank). PR1005 does none of the bad things alleged by Vans and
others. In fact the chemicals that break down the Vans and (Mooney)
Proseal (PR1422?) will only soften the PR1005. This Buna N "slosh"
coating is best applied with a brush before the tank is closed, or
through an access panel. Cleanup is generally MEK or acetone.
The procedure to find leaks in a Mooney tank is to open one access
panel, apply soapy water solution, close with a scrap piece of
plexiglass and duct tape, then pull about 1/2 psi or less vacuum And
look for bubbles with a flash light. Where it bubbles is where the leak
is. Where the leak shows on the outside is how the fuel runs from inside
leak to where it shows outside.
The Mooney tank actually gets 3 coats because in the last century they
built the wing, then sealed the tanks afterwards...no wet riveting at
all. The Coats are PR1422, PR1428 and PR1005. Otherwise known as B
compound, A compound and cherry juice. Done right a tank seal was good
for at least 20-30 years.
I don't know if it is easier to drill out the tank back plate or to cut
access panels as needed. Those are Proseal brand numbers. They do cross
reference to Flamemaster Chemseal that meets the exact same milspecs for
a lot less money. Just another route to solving the problem. I think
Vans at one time would sell a built and tested tank for a price.
Kelly
On 1/5/2021 5:48 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> After my landing mishap in 2011, the replacement left fuel tank I had
> built for my PP QB RV-8 has big leaks in at least four places. Slosh
> would probably fix it, but everybody including Van's says "don't slosh!".
>
> Does anyone have a lead on a Pre-Punched, preferably Quick Build LEFT
> Fuel Tank for an RV-8 that is in 10/10 condition? Maybe from an RV-8
> that had only right wing damage. I would like a tank that is proven to
> not leak with no damage, and with a fixed fuel pickup.
>
> I would love to get my RV-8 back in the air. The prospect of building a
> new fuel tank from parts seems daunting and time consuming right now,
> and prone to dealing with leaks again.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/09/21 |
| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
Any RV ers in SOCAL that have purchased a MiniMax Drill powered Tug?
I have tried the A2 Best Tug (which is very good but spendy)
Id like to know if anyone has had experience with, or owns one for their RV.
I have an RV8A and would like to try before I buy..Thanks
N315DF Bakersfield CA L45
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/09/21 |
| From: | Al Dilger <avdilger(at)yahoo.com> |
Any RV ers in SOCAL that have purchased a MiniMax Drill powered Tug?
I have tried the A2 Best Tug (which is very good but spendy)
Id like to know if anyone has had experience with, or owns one for their RV.
I have an RV8A and would like to try before I buy..Thanks
N315DF Bakersfield CA L45
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> of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
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