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know the people there. I have been taking in ribs or various other wooden pieces to show off in the meetings each month. Next week, I will take in my rudder, then announce I am joining the Air Force. Thanks for the words of encouragment that I have been receiving here and in emails. I have a website for the F12, but never heard from anyone. I don't mind going it alone, but it sure helps to have so many others to call on for help. Of course, I will do my part in return. Jeff Rosson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116400#116400 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Sargeant" <k5wiv(at)amsat.org>
Subject: Re: Tool source
Date: Jun 04, 2007
Jeff, EAA is great. (I'm a chapter officer.) But check around for a local RVators group. That's where you will fine the most experience with Van's aircraft and if they are any like our bunch very friendly. Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Rosson Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: RV9-List: Re: Tool source Well, I will be delayed a tad getting started. I just got back from seeing a hand surgeon. Prior to giving up on my wooden F12, I had a minor mishap with my table saw. I was doing something dumb and a sliver of wood kicked back and embedded itself into my index finger a couple of weeks ago. The ER doctor got most of it out, but it appears that when the sliver came in, in broke in two. Part of it slid off the side of my bone and that was the part we removed as it was quite obvious - poking out the back end as it were. As we know now, another part of the sliver kind of smashed into the bone and embedded itself, and that is what I have just learned needs to come out. I will have finger surgery Thursday to get all of that remaining aircraft grade Sitka Spruce removed once and for all. It should only delay me by maybe another week. I had hoped to get some preparatory work done in the my work shop over the weekend, but my finger was giving me some troubles, but the doc says I should be fine a week after surgery. I may be able to do some light work, once the tool! s start arriving, so it should all work out ok. I live on Merritt Island, FL, and work in Melbourne, FL, BTW. I am an electrical engineer specializing in switching power supplies and analog design. I recently became a member of the local EAA chapter, but still am trying to get to know the people there. I have been taking in ribs or various other wooden pieces to show off in the meetings each month. Next week, I will take in my rudder, then announce I am joining the Air Force. Thanks for the words of encouragment that I have been receiving here and in emails. I have a website for the F12, but never heard from anyone. I don't mind going it alone, but it sure helps to have so many others to call on for help. Of course, I will do my part in return. Jeff Rosson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116400#116400 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Empennage Kit Arrived!
From: "Jeff Rosson" <jeffrosson(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2007
Things are starting to happen! My first kit arrived, today, a whole day early. My tools are on order - some from Browns, but most from Plane Tools. Shaun, there, was really nice and helpful. They are in Kansas, and I am orginally from Kansas (KU graduate), and they offer some really good prices on what seems to be a pretty complete tool kit. I am getting a pneumatic sequeezer and the DRDT-2 dimpler, which everyone seems to be raving about. I drove my daughter's VW Bug in to work today, but I will load the kit into my sister-in-law's van to take home so I won't have to wait. My finger surgery is set for Thursday, so I guess that will give me some time to study the manual. I am the kind that wants to open the box and get to work, so not having all my tools and a hand that won't quite be ready to work will be good in that it will force me to read the manual and to inventory and organize things a bit. Organization is not my strong point. Thanks for all your help and encouragement. The next couple of years ought to be really great. Jeff Rosson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116677#116677 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Empennage Kit Arrived!
From: "smittysrv" <smitty(at)smittysrv.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2007
Allright! The fun begins! Congrats! I know you will have a great time! -------- Smittys RV-9A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116697#116697 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 06, 2007
From: Mark Grieve <mark(at)macomb.com>
Subject: Re: Empennage Kit Arrived!
Jeff, You will need a few days of recovery after the surgery and this will be the perfect opportunity to get yourself organized. It sounds to me that you won't have any trouble in this area. First step is to inventory the parts and get started on the manual. Get a cabinet ready for the tools with a handy spots in the front for the drill and the rivet gun. The time honored way of storing clecos is to cut the side out of a milk jug. I hope you have at least 2 sets of cleco pliers. I like having individual containers for the rivets. That way you get out what you need and it is less confusing. Get a board or table set up so you can have ready access to the plans. You may wish to scan or photocopy the plans in case you get grease on the originals. Happy building. Mark Grieve Non-practicing builder Jeff Rosson wrote: > > Things are starting to happen! My first kit arrived, today, a whole day early. My tools are on order - some from Browns, but most from Plane Tools. Shaun, there, was really nice and helpful. They are in Kansas, and I am orginally from Kansas (KU graduate), and they offer some really good prices on what seems to be a pretty complete tool kit. I am getting a pneumatic sequeezer and the DRDT-2 dimpler, which everyone seems to be raving about. > > I drove my daughter's VW Bug in to work today, but I will load the kit into my sister-in-law's van to take home so I won't have to wait. My finger surgery is set for Thursday, so I guess that will give me some time to study the manual. I am the kind that wants to open the box and get to work, so not having all my tools and a hand that won't quite be ready to work will be good in that it will force me to read the manual and to inventory and organize things a bit. Organization is not my strong point. > > Thanks for all your help and encouragement. The next couple of years ought to be really great. > > Jeff Rosson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116677#116677 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Empennage Kit Arrived!
From: "Jeff Rosson" <jeffrosson(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 06, 2007
Well, here is my story. I was expecting the kit to arrive Wednesday at my place of business. I normally drive a pickup truck but, on that day, I was dropping my youngest daughter off at school for Drivers Education, and she wanted me to take her in the older daughters WB Beetle. Something about not wanting to be seen in an old, in-need-of-washing truck teenaged girls dont like. OK, no problem. I will save gas. So, I get to work, check the Fed Ex page to see where my kit is and, lo, it is on the delivery truck! Well, no way will that empennage kit fit in a Beetle. Dern. Wait, my sister-in-law works here, too, so I can load it up in her van and get it home. That works, so I looking forward to actually getting off work a bit early so I can get home and open my packages, using the excuse of having to go pickup my daughter, of course, but later my daughter decides she wants me to drop her and a friend off at the mall for a while. Grrrrr. I want to go home and look at my airplane-making parts. How many fathers win these kinds of arguments with their 15 y/o daughters? I drop her off at the mall and come back to work to make up for ordering airplane things during working hours, until I finally get the call to come pick them up. Finally! I get home, haul the kit packages to the shop and am about to tear in to them when I remember, hey, I need to take some pictures. Everyone takes pictures of their boxes before they open them up! So, I rush back to the house (my shop is about 150 feet away from the house), get back, arrange the packages to be photoesque, turn on the camera and..nothing. What? Yeah, the battery was dead! Ugh. OK, I rush back to the house and grab the charger, bring it out to the shop and let it charge a few minutes while I finish up some work on a drawer I had been doing previously and in to which my new tools will go. I put the battery back in and..still dead. Back in the charger the battery goes and I say the heck with pictures, Im checking this thing out! So, I open the smaller bo! x and ta ke out every paper-wrapped piece and lay it out on top of my table saw, figuring that the battery will certainly have enough charge by the time I am done to get a picture. Well, I was wrong. Back into the charger. I hope the battery is not damaged and isnt taking a charge at all! I unwrapped all the parts and marveled at the ribs and things, and put them back into the box for safety, saving all of the paper (I have heard you should save the paper for later use). Oh, I didnt unwrap the fiberglass parts, not wanting to risk scratching them. I moved the box to the side and lifted up the bigger box, clip the straps and open er up and was beholdened by the site of pre-formed, blue-plastic covered aluminum. Surely by now the battery has enough charge to get a few pictures. I loaded the battery in the camera and .yes! it powered up. I was able to actually get a few pictures this time, some of which I will eventually post. I didnt disturb the contents of the box as I didnt want to risk damaging anything. The mosquitoes were starting to get bad (I will need and A/C in my shop) so I took the manual inside to read, and tonight (Wednesday) I will try to do an inventory. My hand surgery will be really simple tomorrow. It really shouldnt impair me much at all. The main injury is healing, so all they will do is make a small cut to remove an imbedded splinter. I will probably start working on the project later that day. But, I ordered some of my tools from Brown, mainly a Sioux 3x gun and air drill which they had a special on, but most of the materials are coming from Plane Tools. With a pneumatic squeezer and DRDT-2 dimpler, and an adjustable set thrown in for free, their tool kit was a best value, IMHO. The Brown items are already on their way, and the Plane Tools parts should arrive next week. They had a slight delay awaiting a new shipment of dimplers. Both companies have been great to work with. Shaun was really helpful and I am expecting some great tools from him. Thanks to everyone who has been making suggestions and wishing me well. I am really a bit overwhelmed with the support being shown. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116871#116871 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 08, 2007
From: McCarty <mac11hsd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Nav/Strobe lights-9-A
I am considering using Thor LED Nav/Strobe lights on my 9-A. Does anyone have any experience they could share on this system, or any other good system. I have heard that halogen lights over heat the plastic lens on the wing tip and warp them. Mac in Chuckey, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: Re: Nav/Strobe lights-9-A
Date: Jun 08, 2007
I just finished installing the HID system from Creative Air and they only generate 35 very bright watts and not much heat. http://www.creativair.com/index.php Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCarty" <mac11hsd(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: RV9-List: Nav/Strobe lights-9-A > > I am considering using Thor LED Nav/Strobe lights on my 9-A. Does anyone > have any experience they could share on this system, or any other good > system. I have heard that halogen lights over heat the plastic lens on the > wing tip and warp them. > Mac in Chuckey, TN > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Top VS Rib Won't Fit
From: "Jeff Rosson" <jeffrosson(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2007
Hi, I originally posted this question to the Van's Air Force site, but I didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I just found out I can't post attachements there, so I am bringing the question here. Here are two pictures to describe my problem with the top rib for the VS fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is clecoed to the aft spar and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too wide at the tip to slip into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for the RV9 empennage, this rib fits inside with no problem. In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating with hole on the tab. To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. I don't really see any structural problem to me doing that, but with the way the rest of the parts have been fitting together so nicely, the fact I am having this kind of problem here (and, again, the video shows the rib fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered to attach them!) Thanks, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit
From: "smittysrv" <smitty(at)smittysrv.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2007
Hi Jeff, You shouldn't be having the problem you're having. Mine went in easily. I think you have a mal-formed rib. I suggest you order another one from Van's. -------- Smittys RV-9A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117782#117782 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 11, 2007
From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit
Jeff, First don't start hacking away until your sure. You can make an expensive mistake real quick. >From the looks of the one picture is does look like something is definitely wrong. It looks like (at least from my perspective) that you need to do some fluting and some trimming on that rib to make it fit. Make certain that you have the right parts in the right places. Is the video you got from Van's the one by George Orndorf? George has some great ideas. www.rvproject.com/ , This is a good resource site and there are others. Blue Skies, Mike Ice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Rosson" <jeffrosson(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:55 AM Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit > > Hi, > > I originally posted this question to the Van's Air Force site, but I > didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I just found out I can't > post attachements there, so I am bringing the question here. > > Here are two pictures to describe my problem with the top rib for the VS > fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is clecoed to the aft spar > and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too wide at the tip to slip > into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for the RV9 empennage, this > rib fits inside with no problem. > > In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed > it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except > for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to > fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating > with hole on the tab. > > To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of > the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the > flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. > > I don't really see any structural problem to me doing that, but with the > way the rest of the parts have been fitting together so nicely, the fact I > am having this kind of problem here (and, again, the video shows the rib > fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. > > Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered to attach them!) > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com>
Subject: Top VS Rib Won't Fit
Date: Jun 11, 2007
Jeff, This may not be the only problem you are having and I'm building a 7, but in my instructions it says to flute and straighten all ribs before match drilling. You need to make sure the hole line on the ribs are perfectly straight. If you do this it may all go together better, although I'm not expert yet and there may be another issue some where in your assembly. Carl Carl W Bell New Venture Consulting Mobile: 803.640.2760 www.newventureconsulting.com carlbell(at)gforcecable.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Rosson Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit Hi, I originally posted this question to the Van's Air Force site, but I didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I just found out I can't post attachements there, so I am bringing the question here. Here are two pictures to describe my problem with the top rib for the VS fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is clecoed to the aft spar and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too wide at the tip to slip into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for the RV9 empennage, this rib fits inside with no problem. In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating with hole on the tab. To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. I don't really see any structural problem to me doing that, but with the way the rest of the parts have been fitting together so nicely, the fact I am having this kind of problem here (and, again, the video shows the rib fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered to attach them!) Thanks, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 11, 2007
From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit
Jeff, I just read your post on the VAF. I would also suggest to you that if your having problems with clecoing to get a pneumatic cleco tool. Also, QUICK Build is a great way to go with the wings and fuselage. Mike Ice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Rosson" <jeffrosson(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:55 AM Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit > > Hi, > > I originally posted this question to the Van's Air Force site, but I > didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I just found out I can't > post attachements there, so I am bringing the question here. > > Here are two pictures to describe my problem with the top rib for the VS > fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is clecoed to the aft spar > and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too wide at the tip to slip > into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for the RV9 empennage, this > rib fits inside with no problem. > > In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed > it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except > for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to > fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating > with hole on the tab. > > To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of > the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the > flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. > > I don't really see any structural problem to me doing that, but with the > way the rest of the parts have been fitting together so nicely, the fact I > am having this kind of problem here (and, again, the video shows the rib > fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. > > Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered to attach them!) > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 11, 2007
From: <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit
You might try removing the skin from the skeleton, Cleco the rib in place and see if it fit then. --- "Michael T. Ice" wrote: > > > Jeff, > > I just read your post on the VAF. > > I would also suggest to you that if your having > problems with clecoing to > get a pneumatic cleco tool. > > Also, QUICK Build is a great way to go with the > wings and fuselage. > > Mike Ice > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Rosson" <jeffrosson(at)hotmail.com> > To: > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:55 AM > Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I originally posted this question to the Van's Air > Force site, but I > > didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I > just found out I can't > > post attachements there, so I am bringing the > question here. > > > > Here are two pictures to describe my problem with > the top rib for the VS > > fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is > clecoed to the aft spar > > and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too > wide at the tip to slip > > into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for > the RV9 empennage, this > > rib fits inside with no problem. > > > > In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside > the skin, and clecoed > > it in all the way back to the aft spar, including > the forward spar, except > > for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had > to be bent quite a bit to > > fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no > where close to the mating > > with hole on the tab. > > > > To make it fit, it looks like I would have to > flatten out the flanges of > > the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the > length, then trim the > > flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. > > > > I don't really see any structural problem to me > doing that, but with the > > way the rest of the parts have been fitting > together so nicely, the fact I > > am having this kind of problem here (and, again, > the video shows the rib > > fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. > > > > Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered > to attach them!) > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit
Date: Jun 11, 2007
Peeling the blue afterbirth off may help some Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Rosson" <jeffrosson(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:55 AM Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit > > Hi, > > I originally posted this question to the Van's Air Force site, but I > didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I just found out I can't > post attachements there, so I am bringing the question here. > > Here are two pictures to describe my problem with the top rib for the VS > fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is clecoed to the aft spar > and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too wide at the tip to slip > into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for the RV9 empennage, this > rib fits inside with no problem. > > In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed > it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except > for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to > fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating > with hole on the tab. > > To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of > the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the > flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. > > I don't really see any structural problem to me doing that, but with the > way the rest of the parts have been fitting together so nicely, the fact I > am having this kind of problem here (and, again, the video shows the rib > fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. > > Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered to attach them!) > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tool source
From: "Jeff Rosson" <jeffrosson(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 15, 2007
Update on my hand surgery. No problems. Today I get the stitches out, but it has not been hampering my building too much. I did want to put in a plug for both Brown Tools and Plane Tools. Brown's has the best prices for the Sioux drill and rivet gun, which most folks seem to think are about the best for the money, and for clecos. Also, they have free shipping for orders over $85. I will tell the story that I ordered from them on, I believe, a Wednesday, via the Internet. I didn't hear anything back and I called them late the next Monday morning to inquire. She checked the computer and said something like "well, we show delivery being made 20 minutes ago." I called our receiving department (I take deliveries at my place of business) and, sure enough, the order had just arrived. Three-day delivery that is free is not bad at all! I ended up getting most of my tools, though, from Plane Tools. I grew up in Kansas and am a Jayhawk, so I was partial to doing business with the folks back home, plus Shaun was very helpful. He deleted the items of this standard RV kit that I already had, and got the items out pretty quickly. His standard kit includes a pneumatic rivet squeezer and the DRDT-2 dimpler, for only a few hundred $ more than other suppliers list for their tool kits that include the manual dimpler and squeezer. He offered a fair price and ended up throwing in a free adjustable set. He has since also been very quick to reply to my questions about the tools, so his after-the-sale support has been top notch. I also, at someones urging, ordered a tungsten buck bar from Webster Tool. I am apprehensive about this purchase after getting three bucking bars from Plane Tools, but I will give it a try. Webster was great I had it in three days. Maybe this weekend I will dimple my first dimple and buck my first rivet. Cool. Then, what, some 18,000 more to do? Ugh. Jeff R Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118599#118599 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Top VS Rib Won't Fit
Date: Jun 19, 2007
Jeff >From the photos it looks like you have not fluted the rib. Get a flexible metal ruler and eyeball the pre-punched holes. You might find that the line of holes is not in a straight line but produce a slightly curved line. Fluting the flange will draw the holes into a straight line and reduce the overall length of the rib slightly. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating with hole on the tab. To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: spraylat
Date: Jun 27, 2007
I received my finishing kit early this month and so far have stored my canopy in its original protective plastic. It could easily be a year before I get to it (though I certainly hope not) so I'm hoping to get advice on the best way to store it. Also, has anyone gotten Spraylat experience? I'm considering using it during the fitting stages but I have no idea what this would be like and if it's a good idea. Comments, please. Bill 9 tailwheel Albion, Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: spraylat
Date: Jun 27, 2007
Bill, I put some cardboard on the floor and stood it up on end against a wall, out of the way. It survived well. As for Spraylat, I have no clue what that is. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chenoweth Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: RV9-List: spraylat I received my finishing kit early this month and so far have stored my canopy in its original protective plastic. It could easily be a year before I get to it (though I certainly hope not) so I'm hoping to get advice on the best way to store it. Also, has anyone gotten Spraylat experience? I'm considering using it during the fitting stages but I have no idea what this would be like and if it's a good idea. Comments, please. Bill 9 tailwheel Albion, Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: spraylat
Date: Jun 28, 2007
MessageBill, Thanks for the reply. Did you take the protective plastic off the canopy during storage? Did you have any kind of protection on it while you were fitting it? Spraylat appears to be some kind of protective spray-on coating. I have never seen it, have only heard about it (mostly on the RV list when someone has problems getting it off), my tech advisor has used it, Van's (Scott Risan) has never used it so can't comment. Regards, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: spraylat Bill, I put some cardboard on the floor and stood it up on end against a wall, out of the way. It survived well. As for Spraylat, I have no clue what that is. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chenoweth Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:40 PM To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV9-List: spraylat I received my finishing kit early this month and so far have stored my canopy in its original protective plastic. It could easily be a year before I get to it (though I certainly hope not) so I'm hoping to get advice on the best way to store it. Also, has anyone gotten Spraylat experience? I'm considering using it during the fitting stages but I have no idea what this would be like and if it's a good idea. Comments, please. Bill 9 tailwheel Albion, Maine href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 6/23/2007 11:08 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: Re: spraylat
Date: Jun 28, 2007
MessageIf you use the wretched stuff put it on HEAVY . Don't leave it on a year. It can be a bitch to get off. I will use heavy plastic taped over my canopy to protect it. The windows on my Velocity took days to clean off 1 fingernail full at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: spraylat Bill, Thanks for the reply. Did you take the protective plastic off the canopy during storage? Did you have any kind of protection on it while you were fitting it? Spraylat appears to be some kind of protective spray-on coating. I have never seen it, have only heard about it (mostly on the RV list when someone has problems getting it off), my tech advisor has used it, Van's (Scott Risan) has never used it so can't comment. Regards, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: spraylat Bill, I put some cardboard on the floor and stood it up on end against a wall, out of the way. It survived well. As for Spraylat, I have no clue what that is. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chenoweth Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:40 PM To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV9-List: spraylat I received my finishing kit early this month and so far have stored my canopy in its original protective plastic. It could easily be a year before I get to it (though I certainly hope not) so I'm hoping to get advice on the best way to store it. Also, has anyone gotten Spraylat experience? I'm considering using it during the fitting stages but I have no idea what this would be like and if it's a good idea. Comments, please. Bill 9 tailwheel Albion, Maine href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 6/23/2007 11:08 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: spraylat
Date: Jun 28, 2007
MessageBased on yours and others' comments it looks like I should leave the plastic it came in on while I store it and then make some decision about the Spraylat later. Primarily I'm trying to find a good way to protect it while I'm messing with it during the fitting process. I've done a couple of Kitfox skylight/windshields but they're made of Lexan and I've left the protective paper or plasticized paper on them till they're completely finished - as you may know Lexan scratches with a sharp look. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: spraylat If you use the wretched stuff put it on HEAVY . Don't leave it on a year. It can be a bitch to get off. I will use heavy plastic taped over my canopy to protect it. The windows on my Velocity took days to clean off 1 fingernail full at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: spraylat Bill, Thanks for the reply. Did you take the protective plastic off the canopy during storage? Did you have any kind of protection on it while you were fitting it? Spraylat appears to be some kind of protective spray-on coating. I have never seen it, have only heard about it (mostly on the RV list when someone has problems getting it off), my tech advisor has used it, Van's (Scott Risan) has never used it so can't comment. Regards, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: spraylat Bill, I put some cardboard on the floor and stood it up on end against a wall, out of the way. It survived well. As for Spraylat, I have no clue what that is. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chenoweth Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:40 PM To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV9-List: spraylat I received my finishing kit early this month and so far have stored my canopy in its original protective plastic. It could easily be a year before I get to it (though I certainly hope not) so I'm hoping to get advice on the best way to store it. Also, has anyone gotten Spraylat experience? I'm considering using it during the fitting stages but I have no idea what this would be like and if it's a good idea. Comments, please. Bill 9 tailwheel Albion, Maine href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Date: 6/23/2007 11:08 AM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 6/23/2007 11:08 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale" <slickrock@been-there.com>
Subject: Jacking the -9A
Date: Jul 08, 2007
Anyone have a good method to jack the -9A to service the main wheels? The contraption Vans sells is utterly useless. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WILLIAM LETCHER <wletcher(at)msn.com>
Subject: Jacking the -9A
Date: Jul 09, 2007
What happened to the one I built for you?? Bill From: slickrock(at)been-there.comTo: rv9-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RV9-List: Jacking the -9ADate: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:12:51 -0700 Anyone have a good method to jack the -9A to service the main wheels? The contraption Vans sells is utterly useless. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Surgsail(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Subject: Re: Jacking the -9A
I have had good luck with using the Harbor Freight ATV lift with a bolted on "box" made of 2 x 6's. You simply slip it under the fuse in the area of the spar, and lift the whole beast with a few easy pumps. I stole the idea from the site of a builder in Texas. Richard Neeley N9339N Evergreen, Colorado ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Murray" <Ronald_P_Murray(at)msn.com>
Subject: Jacking the -9A
Date: Jul 09, 2007
I have found a neat tool that allows jacking of the main gear easily. It's call a Handy Jack and I purchased it from Avery Tools for $129 (part #4665). After taking the wheel fairings off, just simply slide the Handy Jack in to place and jack the plane up using a floor jack. Piece of cake! Ron Murray N937RK RV-9A - flying for 2 1/2 years From: "Dale" <slickrock@been-there.com> Subject: RV9-List: Jacking the -9A Anyone have a good method to jack the -9A to service the main wheels? The contraption Vans sells is utterly useless. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "WILLIAM AGSTER" <BAGSTERJR(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Jacking the -9A
Date: Jul 13, 2007
If you do not have a new Avery catalog, check their website. They have a good (too good) picture of the Handy Jack. We built one two weekends ago using 1" black iron pipe sold in plumbing at the Homer Depot Aviation place. Using t's, 22 1/2 deg and 90 fittings and a few different lengths of pipe, we made one for about 22.00, not including a cheap can of gloss black paint. Even found rubber end caps in hardware to keep the bar end from sliding on floor. We drilled through the iron pipe vertically and used a 3/8" stainless eye bolt (eye on bottom of pipe) and bolted it on. Then we clamped one open end of a stainless S hook through the eye bolt, and left the other end (lower end) of the S hook open to receive two loops formed at the ends of a length of a 5/16 diam cable. This allows you to run the cable below the axle and put each loop in the bottom of the S hook. A 19.96 floor jack from Wally mart and set up is complete. Happy Jacking. Link below is to the Avery Catalog picture. http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-913-the-handy-jack-eldorado-aviation.asp x<http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-913-the-handy-jack-eldorado-aviation.a spx> Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Murray<mailto:Ronald_P_Murray(at)msn.com> To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: RV9-List: Jacking the -9A I have found a neat tool that allows jacking of the main gear easily. It's call a Handy Jack and I purchased it from Avery Tools for $129 (part #4665). After taking the wheel fairings off, just simply slide the Handy Jack in to place and jack the plane up using a floor jack. Piece of cake! Ron Murray N937RK RV-9A - flying for 2 1/2 years From: "Dale" <slickrock@been-there.com> Subject: RV9-List: Jacking the -9A Anyone have a good method to jack the -9A to service the main wheels? The contraption Vans sells is utterly useless. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List gator?RV9-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2007
From: John Morgensen <john(at)morgensen.com>
Subject: Re: Jacking the -9A
At the suggestion of someone on this list, I bought the ATV/Motorcycle jack from Harbor Freight at the sale price of $62.99. Tried it out on my "RV Trainer" (aka Grumman Yankee-150) and it works great! You can easily lift all three wheels at the same time. harborfreight.com Item 2792 John Morgensen RV-9A Grumman Yankee-150 WILLIAM AGSTER wrote: > If you do not have a new Avery catalog, check their website. They have > a good (too good) picture of the Handy Jack. We built one two weekends > ago using 1" black iron pipe sold in plumbing at the Homer Depot > Aviation place. Using t's, 22 1/2 deg and 90 fittings and a few > different lengths of pipe, we made one for about 22.00, not including a > cheap can of gloss black paint. Even found rubber end caps in hardware > to keep the bar end from sliding on floor. We drilled through the iron > pipe vertically and used a 3/8" stainless eye bolt (eye on bottom of > pipe) and bolted it on. Then we clamped one open end of a stainless S > hook through the eye bolt, and left the other end (lower end) of the S > hook open to receive two loops formed at the ends of a length of a 5/16 > diam cable. This allows you to run the cable below the axle and put > each loop in the bottom of the S hook. A 19.96 floor jack from Wally > mart and set up is complete. Happy Jacking. Link below is to the Avery > Catalog picture. > http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-913-the-handy-jack-eldorado-aviation.aspx > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ron Murray > *To:* rv9-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2007 8:47 AM > *Subject:* RV9-List: Jacking the -9A > > I have found a neat tool that allows jacking of the main gear > easily. It's call a Handy Jack and I purchased it from Avery Tools > for $129 (part #4665). After taking the wheel fairings off, just > simply slide the Handy Jack in to place and jack the plane up using > a floor jack. Piece of cake! > > Ron Murray > N937RK > RV-9A - flying for 2 1/2 years > > > > From: "Dale" <slickrock@been-there.com > slickrock@been-there.com>> > Subject: RV9-List: Jacking the -9A > > Anyone have a good method to jack the -9A to service the main > wheels? The > contraption Vans sells is utterly useless. > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronicscom/Navigator?RV9-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Spprtypilot <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com>
Subject: Jacking the -9A
Date: Jul 14, 2007
I have one of those for my harley, although I can't see how that would lift all thee at the same time ? Where are you jacking it from? Danny -----Original Message----- From: "John Morgensen" <john(at)morgensen.com> Sent: 7/13/07 7:47 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Jacking the -9A At the suggestion of someone on this list, I bought the ATV/Motorcycle jack from Harbor Freight at the sale price of $62.99. Tried it out on my "RV Trainer" (aka Grumman Yankee-150) and it works great! You can easily lift all three wheels at the same time. harborfreight.com Item 2792 John Morgensen RV-9A Grumman Yankee-150 WILLIAM AGSTER wrote: > If you do not have a new Avery catalog, check their website. They have > a good (too good) picture of the Handy Jack. We built one two weekends > ago using 1" black iron pipe sold in plumbing at the Homer Depot > Aviation place. Using t's, 22 1/2 deg and 90 fittings and a few > different lengths of pipe, we made one for about 22.00, not including a > cheap can of gloss black paint. Even found rubber end caps in hardware > to keep the bar end from sliding on floor. We drilled through the iron > pipe vertically and used a 3/8" stainless eye bolt (eye on bottom of > pipe) and bolted it on. Then we clamped one open end of a stainless S > hook through the eye bolt, and left the other end (lower end) of the S > hook open to receive two loops formed at the ends of a length of a 5/16 > diam cable. This allows you to run the cable below the axle and put > each loop in the bottom of the S hook. A 19.96 floor jack from Wally > mart and set up is complete. Happy Jacking. Link below is to the Avery > Catalog picture. > http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-913-the-handy-jack-eldorado-aviation.aspx > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ron Murray > *To:* rv9-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2007 8:47 AM > *Subject:* RV9-List: Jacking the -9A > > I have found a neat tool that allows jacking of the main gear > easily. It's call a Handy Jack and I purchased it from Avery Tools > for $129 (part #4665). After taking the wheel fairings off, just > simply slide the Handy Jack in to place and jack the plane up using > a floor jack. Piece of cake! > > Ron Murray > N937RK > RV-9A - flying for 2 1/2 years > > > > From: "Dale" <slickrock@been-there.com > slickrock@been-there.com>> > Subject: RV9-List: Jacking the -9A > > Anyone have a good method to jack the -9A to service the main > wheels? The > contraption Vans sells is utterly useless. > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronicscom/Navigator?RV9-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Schipper <mike(at)learningplanet.com>
Subject: Re: Jacking the -9A
Date: Jul 14, 2007
Here's what it looks like: http://www.my9a.com/img/flying/fairings/f18.jpg I built the truss from scrap wood. Regards, Mike Schipper www.my9a.com On Jul 14, 2007, at 1:48 AM, Spprtypilot wrote: > > I have one of those for my harley, although I can't see how that > would lift all thee at the same time ? Where are you jacking it from? > > Danny > -----Original Message----- > From: "John Morgensen" <john(at)morgensen.com> > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: 7/13/07 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Jacking the -9A > > > At the suggestion of someone on this list, I bought the ATV/Motorcycle > jack from Harbor Freight at the sale price of $62.99. Tried it out > on my > "RV Trainer" (aka Grumman Yankee-150) and it works great! You can > easily > lift all three wheels at the same time. > > harborfreight.com Item 2792 > > John Morgensen > RV-9A > Grumman Yankee-150 > > WILLIAM AGSTER wrote: >> If you do not have a new Avery catalog, check their website. They >> have >> a good (too good) picture of the Handy Jack. We built one two >> weekends >> ago using 1" black iron pipe sold in plumbing at the Homer Depot >> Aviation place. Using t's, 22 1/2 deg and 90 fittings and a few >> different lengths of pipe, we made one for about 22.00, not >> including a >> cheap can of gloss black paint. Even found rubber end caps in >> hardware >> to keep the bar end from sliding on floor. We drilled through the >> iron >> pipe vertically and used a 3/8" stainless eye bolt (eye on bottom of >> pipe) and bolted it on. Then we clamped one open end of a >> stainless S >> hook through the eye bolt, and left the other end (lower end) of >> the S >> hook open to receive two loops formed at the ends of a length of >> a 5/16 >> diam cable. This allows you to run the cable below the axle and put >> each loop in the bottom of the S hook. A 19.96 floor jack from Wally >> mart and set up is complete. Happy Jacking. Link below is to the >> Avery >> Catalog picture. >> http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-913-the-handy-jack-eldorado- >> aviation.aspx >> Bill >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Ron Murray >> *To:* rv9-list(at)matronics.com >> *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2007 8:47 AM >> *Subject:* RV9-List: Jacking the -9A >> >> I have found a neat tool that allows jacking of the main gear >> easily. It's call a Handy Jack and I purchased it from Avery >> Tools >> for $129 (part #4665). After taking the wheel fairings off, just >> simply slide the Handy Jack in to place and jack the plane up >> using >> a floor jack. Piece of cake! >> >> Ron Murray >> N937RK >> RV-9A - flying for 2 1/2 years >> >> >> >> From: "Dale" <slickrock@been-there.com >> slickrock@been-there.com>> >> Subject: RV9-List: Jacking the -9A >> >> Anyone have a good method to jack the -9A to service the main >> wheels? The >> contraption Vans sells is utterly useless. >> >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http:// >> www.matronicscom/Navigator?RV9-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: "Ray D. Congdon" <n7hqk(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Prop for RV-9A
Well... I'm to the point that I need to sit down and consider a prop for m y RV-9A. I have an engine, a Lycoming O-320 B3B That came complete with a prop governor. So... what are the recommendations for a prop to put on th e beastie? =0A =0AISA-USA Inc. =0AIndustrial Strength Answers For Telecomm unications Infrastructure=0ARay D. Congdon=0A5515 N 4400 W=0ACedar City, UT 84720 USA =0Awww.isa-usa-inc.com=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: " Peter Laurence" <Dr.Laurence(at)mbdi.org>
Subject: Re: Prop for RV-9A
Date: Jul 23, 2007
Call Van or look in the catalog Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray D. Congdon To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: RV9-List: Prop for RV-9A Well... I'm to the point that I need to sit down and consider a prop for my RV-9A. I have an engine, a Lycoming O-320 B3B That came complete with a prop governor. So... what are the recommendations for a prop to put on the beastie? ISA-USA Inc. Industrial Strength Answers For Telecommunications Infrastructure Ray D. Congdon 5515 N 4400 W Cedar City, UT 84720 USA www.isa-usa-inc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Surgsail(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2007
Subject: Re: Prop for RV-9A
I now have 114 hrs on my 9A, which has a 320 Lycoming, and a Hartzell CS prop purchased through Van's It performs very well here in the Mile High City and above. Richard Neeley ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Schipper <mike(at)learningplanet.com>
Subject: Re: Prop for RV-9A
Date: Jul 24, 2007
You have a few options, but if you are flying from a high altitude airport you might want to limit yourself to considering only constant speed props. I have a fixed pitch cruise prop from Craig Catto and while it works really well, it does require some extra runway when taking off at altitude. Regards, Mike Schipper RV-9A - N63MS - www.my9a.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray D. Congdon Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: RV9-List: Prop for RV-9A Well... I'm to the point that I need to sit down and consider a prop for my RV-9A. I have an engine, a Lycoming O-320 B3B That came complete with a prop governor. So... what are the recommendations for a prop to put on the beastie? ISA-USA Inc. Industrial Strength Answers For Telecommunications Infrastructure Ray D. Congdon 5515 N 4400 W Cedar City, UT 84720 USA www.isa-usa-inc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop for RV-9A
Date: Jul 24, 2007
From: lessdragprod(at)aol.com
Hi Ray, MT Propeller has a very nice 3 blade propeller.? MTV-12-C/180-57.? Van's A/C should have the best price. MT Propellers available for the Lyc. 320 are listed on my website, www.ca-propeller.com Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: Ray D. Congdon <n7hqk(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 6:45 am Subject: RV9-List: Prop for RV-9A Well...? I'm to the point that I need to sit down and consider a prop for my RV-9A.? I have an engine, a Lycoming O-320 B3B That came complete with a prop governor.? So...? what are the recommendations for a prop to put on the beastie? ? ISA-USA Inc. Industrial Strength Answers For Telecommunications Infrastructure Ray D. Congdon 5515 N 4400 W Cedar City, UT 84720 USA www.isa-usa-inc.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Sargeant" <k5wiv(at)amsat.org>
Subject: New RV9 Builder
Date: Jul 30, 2007
I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develops! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Darryl Husk" <dhusk(at)webxetra.com>
Subject: New RV9 Builder
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Welcome to the group, Jack and Cecilia. I've often wondered why the RV9 group is less active than the 10 list as well. I can think of two possible reasons. First, because of a handful of RV10 builders who drive that list. People like Tim Olsen, Deems Davis and others who contribute regularly. Second, the RV10 is a newer model and being a larger, four-place plane there is much to learn about building it. The RV9 is much like an RV7, but with different wings. Many of the building issues have been covered over and over again. I find that I can get answers to most of my questions by searching the forums for the RV6, RV7 and RV9. The RV10 is a different animal. Anyway, welcome to the group. I have completed the tail kit and wings and I'm about half way through the fuselage. I started last Labor day weekend and we (my Dad and brother are working with me) most everyday through the middle of May. Then I opened a new business and progress on the plane has slowed to a crawl. Just starting to find time to work on it again. Darryl Husk Redford, Mi _____ From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sargeant Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develops! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: Mike De Lange <squishyoleo(at)yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: New RV9 Builder
>I guess that =0AI've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 2 8, =0A>( at =0AOshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so muc h less =0A>active =0Athan the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking =0A>questions =0Aas the build develops!=0A>Jack & Cecilia Sargea nt =0A>1127 Patricia St. =0A>Wichita, =0AKS 67208-2642 =0A>316/683-5268 =0A =0A=0A =0A=0AHi Jack!=0A=0AWelcome to the list. I've been lurking here fo r a short while now and this is actually my first message to the list. I a lso just became a new RV-9 builder as I ordered my tail kit on Monday. I'l l be building the 9A with my father John and we're already eagerly anticipa ting the arrival of the kit. :)=0A=0AMike De Lange=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A B e smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the bo =ca=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "smitty(at)smittysrv.com" <smitty(at)smittysrv.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Subject: New RV9 Builder
Welcome Jack and Cecilia! Excellent choice in aircraft! I know you will enjoy building it. There's a lot of good help out there. Have a goodun! Smitty http://SmittysRV.com Original Message: ----------------- From: Darryl Husk dhusk(at)webxetra.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:49:41 -0400 Subject: RE: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder Welcome to the group, Jack and Cecilia. I've often wondered why the RV9 group is less active than the 10 list as well. I can think of two possible reasons. First, because of a handful of RV10 builders who drive that list. People like Tim Olsen, Deems Davis and others who contribute regularly. Second, the RV10 is a newer model and being a larger, four-place plane there is much to learn about building it. The RV9 is much like an RV7, but with different wings. Many of the building issues have been covered over and over again. I find that I can get answers to most of my questions by searching the forums for the RV6, RV7 and RV9. The RV10 is a different animal. Anyway, welcome to the group. I have completed the tail kit and wings and I'm about half way through the fuselage. I started last Labor day weekend and we (my Dad and brother are working with me) most everyday through the middle of May. Then I opened a new business and progress on the plane has slowed to a crawl. Just starting to find time to work on it again. Darryl Husk Redford, Mi _____ From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sargeant Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develops! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Schipper <mike(at)learningplanet.com>
Subject: Re: New RV9 Builder
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Greetings to Jack and to Mike. Congratulations on starting the -9. It's a great airplane as I was reminded as I flew as a flight of two -9As to Oshkosh last week with Matthew Brandes. It goes fast and it can also go slow when necessary. Flying into OSH you need to be able to do both. We packed all our camping stuff into the baggage area and had exactly zero problems flying across the country in a homebuilt aircraft. You are going to love it. As a builder of both a -9 and a -10 (in progress), I think the reason for less traffic is that the -9 is a lot like a -7, and therefore many of the discussions about canopy cutting and such gets merged with the other lists. There's also a lot of resources like Dan's site that help us with our -9s that simply don't yet exist for the -10. Anyways, enjoy the experience. It really is worth all the work. Regards, Mike Schipper RV-9A - N63MS - www.my9a.com RV-10 - #576 - Fuselage On Jul 30, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Jack Sargeant wrote: > I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday > July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list > so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here > monitoring and asking questions as the build develops! > > Jack & Cecilia Sargeant > 1127 Patricia St. > Wichita, KS 67208-2642 > 316/683-5268 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Subject: New RV9 Builder
From: James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
Jack Just subscribe to both the "RV list" and the "RV9" list. It seems to be a more active list than just the "9" list. Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: New RV9 Builder
Welcome aboard and happy building. When you say RV9 do you mean your building a tail dragger? Dennis Thomas --- Jack Sargeant wrote: > I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. > On Saturday July 28, > ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is > this list so much less > active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here > monitoring and asking > questions as the build develops! > > Jack & Cecilia Sargeant > 1127 Patricia St. > Wichita, KS 67208-2642 > 316/683-5268 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Sargeant" <k5wiv(at)amsat.org>
Subject: New RV9 Builder
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Probably not but since that decision doesn't have to be made yet, the option(s) are still open. The powerplant, prop, and avionics are still unanswered questions too. Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder Welcome aboard and happy building. When you say RV9 do you mean your building a tail dragger? Dennis Thomas --- Jack Sargeant wrote: > I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. > On Saturday July 28, > ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is > this list so much less > active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here > monitoring and asking > questions as the build develops! > > Jack & Cecilia Sargeant > 1127 Patricia St. > Wichita, KS 67208-2642 > 316/683-5268 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: New RV9 Builder
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Jack, Welcome to the RV World! I hope you enjoy building as much as I have. One of the reasons why this list is less active than the RV-10 list is that many builders have moved to the www.vansairforce.net forum. Bill RV-9 (FAA inspection in the morning!) www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sargeant Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develops! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 01, 2007
From: bcrnfnp(at)sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: New RV9 Builder
Welcome Jack,=0A=0AI am building a RV-9A. I started in May of this year. I live about 3-4 hours south of you in SW Oklahoma. Maybe we can visit eac h other some time. In the shop I build in, the A&P IA is also building a 9 A. Also in progress in the same shop are a RV-4 and RV-7A. So you might s ay we are RV Crazy down here. =0A=0AMight try Vans Airfirce web site and m aybe Yahoo groups also. I monitor the RV10 list mostly as it seems to be h opping these days. Don't forget the aeroelectric list also. Bob is beyond belief in the info he has shared with us. =0A=0AAny way happy building. =0A=0ABarry Chapman, Nurse Practitioner=0AN621TC reserved ( empennage)=0A58 0-318-1635=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jack Sargeant <k5wiv (at)amsat.org>=0ATo: rv9-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:1 4:52 PM=0ASubject: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder=0A=0A=0AI guess that I've offi cially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develo ps!=0A =0AJack & Cecilia Sargeant =0A1127 Patricia St. =0AWichita, KS 67208 ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Repucci Inspection
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Bill, let us know of your inspection results and get ready for great flying. Over 100 hours on my RV9 now and most of it hands off when not doing whifferdills or whatever. John Kerr Logan UT -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> Jack, Welcome to the RV World! I hope you enjoy building as much as I have. One of the reasons why this list is less active than the RV-10 list is that many builders have moved to the www.vansairforce.net forum. Bill RV-9 (FAA inspection in the morning!) www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sargeant Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develops! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
Bill, let us know of your inspection results and get ready for great flying. Over 100 hours on my RV9 now and most of it hands off when not doing whifferdills or whatever.

John Kerr

Logan UT

Jack,

Welcome to the RV World! I hope you enjoy building as much as I have.

One of the reasons why this list is less active than the RV-10 list is that many builders have moved to the www.vansairforce.net forum.

Bill

RV-9 (FAA inspection in the morning!)

www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sargeant
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:15 AM
To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder

I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develops!

Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268

href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com

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From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: Repucci Inspection
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Logan, Thanks for the note. I had the inspection this morning and the FAA guy, not a DAR, spent all of 20 minutes looking it over, collecting paper works, and watching 20 - 30 buzzards thermaling over the runway. He didn't even wiggle the control stick, have me turn on the electronics, start the engine, or anything else. Kind of a disappointment but it was what I had expected. Our EAA chapter 309 has such a good reputation with the local FISDO that if it is signed off by one of our tech inspectors, they won't look at the plane. However, you present a plane that hasn't been through the EAA tech inspection process and they could be there all day. Needless to say, our tech inspectors are tough!!! Last night I flew another hour in a friends -6 to brush up on my TW time as the Decathlon I had been flying to stay current was sold a year and a half ago so I was bit rusty. After four hours in the -6, I'm ready for my first flight. Stand by for a first flight report. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: RE: RV9-List: Repucci Inspection Bill, let us know of your inspection results and get ready for great flying. Over 100 hours on my RV9 now and most of it hands off when not doing whifferdills or whatever. John Kerr Logan UT -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> Jack, Welcome to the RV World! I hope you enjoy building as much as I have. One of the reasons why this list is less active than the RV-10 list is that many builders have moved to the www.vansairforce.net <http://www.vansairforce.net/> forum. Bill RV-9 (FAA inspection in the morning!) www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sargeant Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develops! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Darryl Husk" <dhusk(at)webxetra.com>
Subject: Repucci Inspection
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Looking forward to your first flight report. Fly safe. Darryl _____ From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Repucci Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: Repucci Inspection Logan, Thanks for the note. I had the inspection this morning and the FAA guy, not a DAR, spent all of 20 minutes looking it over, collecting paper works, and watching 20 - 30 buzzards thermaling over the runway. He didn't even wiggle the control stick, have me turn on the electronics, start the engine, or anything else. Kind of a disappointment but it was what I had expected. Our EAA chapter 309 has such a good reputation with the local FISDO that if it is signed off by one of our tech inspectors, they won't look at the plane. However, you present a plane that hasn't been through the EAA tech inspection process and they could be there all day. Needless to say, our tech inspectors are tough!!! Last night I flew another hour in a friends -6 to brush up on my TW time as the Decathlon I had been flying to stay current was sold a year and a half ago so I was bit rusty. After four hours in the -6, I'm ready for my first flight. Stand by for a first flight report. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: RE: RV9-List: Repucci Inspection Bill, let us know of your inspection results and get ready for great flying. Over 100 hours on my RV9 now and most of it hands off when not doing whifferdills or whatever. John Kerr Logan UT -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> Jack, Welcome to the RV World! I hope you enjoy building as much as I have. One of the reasons why this list is less active than the RV-10 list is that many builders have moved to the www.vansairforce.net <http://www.vansairforce.net/> forum. Bill RV-9 (FAA inspection in the morning!) www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sargeant Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develops! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronhref="ht tp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Repucci Inspection
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Bill called me at 11:30 and said he passed inspection with no squawks! Unfortunately, he has to now wait for Nora to get back from her vacation before he can fly! I'm sure Bill will elaborate shortly. Bret Smith RV-9A "Fuselage" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: RE: RV9-List: Repucci Inspection Bill, let us know of your inspection results and get ready for great flying. Over 100 hours on my RV9 now and most of it hands off when not doing whifferdills or whatever. John Kerr Logan UT -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> Jack, Welcome to the RV World! I hope you enjoy building as much as I have. One of the reasons why this list is less active than the RV-10 list is that many builders have moved to the www.vansairforce.net forum. Bill RV-9 (FAA inspection in the morning!) www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sargeant Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:15 AM To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develops! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: Repucci Inspection
Date: Aug 01, 2007
I MUST wait for Nora to return. Heck, she pounded or bucked at least 1/3 of all the rivets in this thing AND she was the one who was crawling up in the foot well to buck the top skin, connect the vent lines and do some other miscellaneous things that I couldn't get in there to do. These are my two favorite pictures of her helping: About to start inventorying the fuselage: http://www.repucci.com/bill/fuselage/nora%20helping%20invenentory%20the% 20fuselage.JPG and about to be buried in fuselage packing material: http://www.repucci.com/bill/fuselage/almost%20finished.JPG BTW, it is a disappointment to me that the FAA won't allow N-numbers to start with zero. It would be so so cool to have "N0RA" as my number! Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Repucci Inspection Bill called me at 11:30 and said he passed inspection with no squawks! Unfortunately, he has to now wait for Nora to get back from her vacation before he can fly! I'm sure Bill will elaborate shortly. Bret Smith RV-9A "Fuselage" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: RE: RV9-List: Repucci Inspection Bill, let us know of your inspection results and get ready for great flying. Over 100 hours on my RV9 now and most of it hands off when not doing whifferdills or whatever. John Kerr Logan UT -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> Jack, Welcome to the RV World! I hope you enjoy building as much as I have. One of the reasons why this list is less active than the RV-10 list is that many builders have moved to the www.vansairforce.net <http://www.vansairforce.net/> forum. Bill RV-9 (FAA inspection in the morning!) www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sargeant Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: RV9-List: New RV9 Builder I guess that I've officially become an RV9 builder. On Saturday July 28, ( at Oshkosh) I ordered my RV9 Tail kit. Why is this list so much less active than the RV10 list? Any way, I'll be here monitoring and asking questions as the build develops! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New RV9 Builder
From: "Jeff Rosson" <jeffrosson(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2007
Welcome Jack and Mike. I am just completing my tail kit and expect to take delivery of the wing kit sometime this week. The archives here are extraordinary but, as you say, there is not a lot of daily traffic in the R9 list. There is a bit more activity at the vans airforce site and, as others have said, the general RV boards both here at at VAF are active and many of your more general questions can be asked there. Have fun building and be sure to post often. Jeff R Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127632#127632 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: RV-9 First flight
Date: Aug 08, 2007
It dawned on me that some of you might not read the VAF forum. Just incase you missed it, my first flight was this past Sunday. All went well and the airplane handles GREAT! Radomir Zaric took some great photos and posted them here: http://picasaweb.google.com/n777ty/FirstFlightN941WR I finally reduced the first takeoff and landing videos to a reasonable size. My wife took these with our Canon PowerShot SD600, nothing fancy but it worked: Take off: <http://www.repucci.com/bill/basement/first_flight.wmv> http://www.repucci.com/bill/basement/first_flight.wmv Landing: <http://www.repucci.com/bill/first%20flight/the_first_landing.wmv> http://www.repucci.com/bill/first%20flight/the_first_landing.wmv That landing video really gives you an idea how much the RV-9 likes to float Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2007
From: =?iso-8859-1?b?Sm/jbw==?= Carlos Martins de Medeiros <jc(at)INFONET.COM.BR>
Subject: RV-9 First flight
Congrats Bil. Is nice to see your airplane tooking off for the first time. Reminded my own. Good. From your place to mine, its only 4689 NM, Monroe Regional to Aracaju - SBAR, Sergipe - Brasil, via Central America. Feel confortably to fly. The first beverage to celebrate the trip will be by me in very beatifull snack bar in front of the beach. -- JC - Aracaju RV-9A, PU-JCI, flying 156 h RV-9A, PU-IJC, flying 25 h ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-9 First flight
Date: Aug 08, 2007
From: "Hebert, Richard" <Richard.Hebert@t-mobile.com>
Hi Bill, Great Job....I've been watching you build for the last 53 years at least and have learned many things from you and your website. Its great to see your efforts payoff and you've done a great job passing your building knowledge along........I'm a little jealous.... My best friend and I completed our Empennage kit at Alexander Technical Institute in Griffin Georgia, back in April 2004. We are too anxious to get the rest done but it just takes time and persistence. Keep the great work and let us know how its is progressing. Jealous RV wannabe.....flying old Bonanza...... Richard Hebert Director Enterprise IT - Business Analysis *T***Mobile* stick together Desk: 770-522-3344 Mobile: 678-860-3656 ________________________________ From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Repucci Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: RV9-List: RV-9 First flight It dawned on me that some of you might not read the VAF forum. Just incase you missed it, my first flight was this past Sunday. All went well and the airplane handles GREAT! Radomir Zaric took some great photos and posted them here: http://picasaweb.google.com/n777ty/FirstFlightN941WR I finally reduced the first takeoff and landing videos to a reasonable size. My wife took these with our Canon PowerShot SD600, nothing fancy but it worked: Take off: http://www.repucci.com/bill/basement/first_flight.wmv <http://www.repucci.com/bill/basement/first_flight.wmv> Landing: http://www.repucci.com/bill/first%20flight/the_first_landing.wmv <http://www.repucci.com/bill/first%20flight/the_first_landing.wmv> That landing video really gives you an idea how much the RV-9 likes to float Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Sargeant" <k5wiv(at)amsat.org>
Subject: RV-9 First flight
Date: Aug 09, 2007
MessageCongratulations Bill. Reports such as yours inspire me, and I'll need plenty of inspiration before I'm done. My tail kit arrived just yesterday. I finished the inventory last night, and today I'll call Van's for the two missing parts. Jack Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Repucci Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:32 PM To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV9-List: RV-9 First flight It dawned on me that some of you might not read the VAF forum. Just incase you missed it, my first flight was this past Sunday. All went well and the airplane handles GREAT! Radomir Zaric took some great photos and posted them here: http://picasaweb.google.com/n777ty/FirstFlightN941WR I finally reduced the first takeoff and landing videos to a reasonable size. My wife took these with our Canon PowerShot SD600, nothing fancy but it worked: Take off: http://www.repucci.com/bill/basement/first_flight.wmv Landing: http://www.repucci.com/bill/first%20flight/the_first_landing.wmv That landing video really gives you an idea how much the RV-9 likes to float Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: RV-9 First flight
Date: Aug 09, 2007
MessageBill, Nice videos...Congrats again. I really like Nora's critique of your first landing... Bret Bret Smith RV-9A "Fuselage" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: RV9-List: RV-9 First flight It dawned on me that some of you might not read the VAF forum. Just incase you missed it, my first flight was this past Sunday. All went well and the airplane handles GREAT! Radomir Zaric took some great photos and posted them here: http://picasaweb.google.com/n777ty/FirstFlightN941WR I finally reduced the first takeoff and landing videos to a reasonable size. My wife took these with our Canon PowerShot SD600, nothing fancy but it worked: Take off: http://www.repucci.com/bill/basement/first_flight.wmv Landing: http://www.repucci.com/bill/first%20flight/the_first_landing.wmv That landing video really gives you an idea how much the RV-9 likes to float Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Callender" <tcallender(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: RV-9 First flight
Date: Aug 09, 2007
MessageCongrats Bill, good job. Nice pictures. Good to see another "9" fly. Tom C RV9 (60%, 70% to go) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "markdonahue" <markdonahue(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Congratulations to Bill
Date: Aug 10, 2007
It is great to see a first flight, good job Bill. I wanted also to introduce myself. My son Nolan and I are building a 9A, and are pretty close to finishing the wings. It is an interesting project, and challenging too I would say. I find that as I look at some of the builder logs on the links to the Van's site, I am impressed with the level of craftsmanship. I find some of the riveting to be awkward and very difficult, particularly without any help. But we are working it out and learning a lot in the process. I look at this site and also on the Kitfox site, as I built a Kitfox IV and flew it in 1995. I love that little plane and still fly it, but was looking for a new project that was different and would require new skill sets. I think the 9 is a great project, and if I am not too old when I finish it, I think it will fly very nicely. Anyway Hi to all of you folks, I look forward to adding a comment or two as time goes on and I have something of value or interest to add. Mark Donahue, wings 9A, flying a Kitfox ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: Congratulations to Bill
Date: Aug 11, 2007
Mark, Thanks and welcome to the group. I seriously looked at the Kitfox 7 before starting on the -9. As much as I liked the Kitfox, I think I made the right choice. Keep pounding, you will be done before you know it! Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of markdonahue Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:52 PM Subject: RV9-List: Congratulations to Bill It is great to see a first flight, good job Bill. I wanted also to introduce myself. My son Nolan and I are building a 9A, and are pretty close to finishing the wings. It is an interesting project, and challenging too I would say. I find that as I look at some of the builder logs on the links to the Van's site, I am impressed with the level of craftsmanship. I find some of the riveting to be awkward and very difficult, particularly without any help. But we are working it out and learning a lot in the process. I look at this site and also on the Kitfox site, as I built a Kitfox IV and flew it in 1995. I love that little plane and still fly it, but was looking for a new project that was different and would require new skill sets. I think the 9 is a great project, and if I am not too old when I finish it, I think it will fly very nicely. Anyway Hi to all of you folks, I look forward to adding a comment or two as time goes on and I have something of value or interest to add. Mark Donahue, wings 9A, flying a Kitfox ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2007
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS
Greetings: Have an '"older" empennage and instructions dating back to 1999. Understand RV-7, 8 and 9 have the same Vert Stabilizer. Is there anything in the "Newer Instructions" about about tapering (angling) the flanges of the VS Ribs to match the desired contour (taper) of the VS ??? Thanks, Garey ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Float on landing
Date: Sep 07, 2007
after a lengthy discussion on the Kitfox list regarding float on landing and doing some testing in my kitfox to determine the efficacy of maintaining 1.3 times stall speed on approach I decided to try the same thing with the RV9. I climbed to pattern altitude plus 2000 feet and configured for landing: full flaps 1200 rpm. With this setup I practiced a variety of manuevers that might be required in landing while maintaining 65IAS. The RV9 was perfectly stable in all manuevers and indicated 400-450 rate of decent. With regained confidence I returned to the pattern a proceded to make a couple of landings. Again holding 65IAS as precisely as possible I had two of the best landings in a long time. Gone was the hunting for the ground while excess speed bled off. Flying can really be a Zen experience. John Kerr Logan UT
after a lengthy discussion on the Kitfox list regarding float on landing and doing some testing in my kitfox to determine the efficacy of maintaining 1.3 times stall speed on approach I decided to try the same thing with the RV9.

I climbed to pattern altitude plus 2000 feet and configured for landing: full flaps 1200 rpm. With this setup I practiced a variety of manuevers that might be required in landing while maintaining 65IAS. The RV9 was perfectly stable in all manuevers and indicated 400-450 rate of decent.

With regained confidence I returned to the pattern a proceded to make a couple of landings. Again holding 65IAS as precisely as possible I had two of the best landings in a long time. Gone was the hunting for the ground while excess speed bled off.

Flying can really be a Zen experience.

John Kerr

Logan UT

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From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: wing gap seal
Date: Sep 07, 2007
I'm trying to figure out how the rubber seal between the wing gap seal and the fuselage is terminated along the bottom of the fuselage. I'm building a 9 tailwheel so there is no main gear fairing to cover the termination. Do any of you tailwheel builders have suggestions on how to do this or perhaps a picture. Also, is it appropriate or necessary to glue the rubber seal to the gap seal? If so, with what? Thanks, Bill Albion, Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 07, 2007
From: Michael Ice <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: wing gap seal
Bill, I can't answer how to terminate the strip but perhaps I can help with the glue. I have used 3M contact cement (yellow) with great success when attaching rubber parts to Cessnas in the past. Just smear a light coat on each part, let dry, put them together and they will stick. This glue is real messy so tape off any place you don't want to glue. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth <chenoweth(at)gwi.net> Date: Friday, September 7, 2007 3:11 pm Subject: RV9-List: wing gap seal > I'm trying to figure out how the rubber seal between the wing gap > seal and the fuselage is terminated along the bottom of the > fuselage. I'm building a 9 tailwheel so there is no main gear > fairing to cover the termination. > Do any of you tailwheel builders have suggestions on how to do > this or perhaps a picture. Also, is it appropriate or necessary > to glue the rubber seal to the gap seal? If so, with what? > Thanks, > Bill > Albion, Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: Float on landing
Date: Sep 07, 2007
Just to repeat some of the emails John and I exchanged privately this morning... I've been using 65 MPH since my first flight and now with 40 hours I have not had a problem with that speed. Abeam the numbers, back comes the power, in goes all the flaps, and with luck, I never have to touch the throttle again. This assumes John and my AS are calibrated the same. YMMV. Be careful, if you are trying these lower speeds on your own. You can use 60 MPH but that is a bit slow, even by my standards and the sink rate gets up there. However, in my light (990 lbs) -9 I still have enough energy to flair. Note, if I was going to try 60 MPH with a -9A, you might want to be ready with the throttle to help lift the nose a little. With my tail dragger, that isn't a concern. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: RV9-List: Float on landing after a lengthy discussion on the Kitfox list regarding float on landing and doing some testing in my kitfox to determine the efficacy of maintaining 1.3 times stall speed on approach I decided to try the same thing with the RV9. I climbed to pattern altitude plus 2000 feet and configured for landing: full flaps 1200 rpm. With this setup I practiced a variety of manuevers that might be required in landing while maintaining 65IAS. The RV9 was perfectly stable in all manuevers and indicated 400-450 rate of decent. With regained confidence I returned to the pattern a proceded to make a couple of landings. Again holding 65IAS as precisely as possible I had two of the best landings in a long time. Gone was the hunting for the ground while excess speed bled off. Flying can really be a Zen experience. John Kerr Logan UT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: wing gap seal
Date: Sep 07, 2007
Bill, I just left mine about an inch long, for now. It will probably be glued to the fairing at some point but with 40 hours, it has only come off once, that gets your attention. The glue I will use will be Automotive Trim Adhesive from Goop. It is available at most auto parts store. That is the same stuff I used to secure my zip-tie stand-offs after removing the adhesive square. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chenoweth Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: ***SPAM*** RV9-List: wing gap seal I'm trying to figure out how the rubber seal between the wing gap seal and the fuselage is terminated along the bottom of the fuselage. I'm building a 9 tailwheel so there is no main gear fairing to cover the termination. Do any of you tailwheel builders have suggestions on how to do this or perhaps a picture. Also, is it appropriate or necessary to glue the rubber seal to the gap seal? If so, with what? Thanks, Bill Albion, Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: wing gap seal
Date: Sep 08, 2007
Mike, I guess I'm going to wait on the strip termination technique. We'll be a Sun n Fun again next year so I should have lots of samples to look at. Thanks for the glue idea - from what Bill R. said I suspect I can go without for a while or maybe just glue here and there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Ice To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: wing gap seal Bill, I can't answer how to terminate the strip but perhaps I can help with the glue. I have used 3M contact cement (yellow) with great success when attaching rubber parts to Cessnas in the past. Just smear a light coat on each part, let dry, put them together and they will stick. This glue is real messy so tape off any place you don't want to glue. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth <chenoweth(at)gwi.net> Date: Friday, September 7, 2007 3:11 pm Subject: RV9-List: wing gap seal To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > I'm trying to figure out how the rubber seal between the wing gap > seal and the fuselage is terminated along the bottom of the > fuselage. I'm building a 9 tailwheel so there is no main gear > fairing to cover the termination. > Do any of you tailwheel builders have suggestions on how to do > this or perhaps a picture. Also, is it appropriate or necessary > to glue the rubber seal to the gap seal? If so, with what? > Thanks, > Bill > Albion, Maine ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 9/7/2007 4:40 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Float on landing
Date: Sep 08, 2007
MessageBill, Like John I'm also a Kitfox builder/flyer so my frame of reference is that. When you say "back comes the power" what do you mean? In my case I go to idle, stay high, slip to landing without flaps, and almost never touch the power. In something over 300 hours that has worked well. I'm using two-stroke power and consider this landing technique good practice in case of a power failure. I'm with him on the 1.3 and then a bit less on short final. My assumption is that this technique (idle power and slips) will not be appropriate with the 9, right? Also, are you three-pointing, wheel landing, or something else. I'm using what amounts to a barely flying three-point. And, thanks for the gap seal info. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com ; 'Kitfox' Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: Float on landing Just to repeat some of the emails John and I exchanged privately this morning... I've been using 65 MPH since my first flight and now with 40 hours I have not had a problem with that speed. Abeam the numbers, back comes the power, in goes all the flaps, and with luck, I never have to touch the throttle again. This assumes John and my AS are calibrated the same. YMMV. Be careful, if you are trying these lower speeds on your own. You can use 60 MPH but that is a bit slow, even by my standards and the sink rate gets up there. However, in my light (990 lbs) -9 I still have enough energy to flair. Note, if I was going to try 60 MPH with a -9A, you might want to be ready with the throttle to help lift the nose a little. With my tail dragger, that isn't a concern. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:33 PM To: rv9- list; Kitfox Subject: RV9-List: Float on landing after a lengthy discussion on the Kitfox list regarding float on landing and doing some testing in my kitfox to determine the efficacy of maintaining 1.3 times stall speed on approach I decided to try the same thing with the RV9. I climbed to pattern altitude plus 2000 feet and configured for landing: full flaps 1200 rpm. With this setup I practiced a variety of manuevers that might be required in landing while maintaining 65IAS. The RV9 was perfectly stable in all manuevers and indicated 400-450 rate of decent. With regained confidence I returned to the pattern a proceded to make a couple of landings. Again holding 65IAS as precisely as possible I had two of the best landings in a long time. Gone was the hunting for the ground while excess speed bled off. Flying can really be a Zen experience. John Kerr Logan UT href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 9/7/2007 4:40 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2007
From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: wing gap seal
Bill, I agree. Doesn't seem to be a big area for concern. Bill R. Has done it and is flying, good on him. He likes Goop and has used it a lot, I have more experience with the 3M weather strip adhesive. Both probably do the same thing equally well. I do like the fact that Bill R., you and I are build 9's. Some day we might all get together at a 9 convention. A conventional geared 9 convention. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:30 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: wing gap seal Mike, I guess I'm going to wait on the strip termination technique. We'll be a Sun n Fun again next year so I should have lots of samples to look at. Thanks for the glue idea - from what Bill R. said I suspect I can go without for a while or maybe just glue here and there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Ice To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: wing gap seal Bill, I can't answer how to terminate the strip but perhaps I can help with the glue. I have used 3M contact cement (yellow) with great success when attaching rubber parts to Cessnas in the past. Just smear a light coat on each part, let dry, put them together and they will stick. This glue is real messy so tape off any place you don't want to glue. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth <chenoweth(at)gwi.net> Date: Friday, September 7, 2007 3:11 pm Subject: RV9-List: wing gap seal To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > I'm trying to figure out how the rubber seal between the wing gap > seal and the fuselage is terminated along the bottom of the > fuselage. I'm building a 9 tailwheel so there is no main gear > fairing to cover the termination. > Do any of you tailwheel builders have suggestions on how to do > this or perhaps a picture. Also, is it appropriate or necessary > to glue the rubber seal to the gap seal? If so, with what? > Thanks, > Bill > Albion, Maine ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9/7/2007 4:40 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2007
From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: Float on landing
MessageBill, Abeam the numbers, what throttle setting are you using? How many RPM's. Do you know how many RPM's it is that simulates "zero thrust" in the 9? Have you done any "wheel landings" yet? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com ; 'Kitfox' Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: Float on landing Just to repeat some of the emails John and I exchanged privately this morning... I've been using 65 MPH since my first flight and now with 40 hours I have not had a problem with that speed. Abeam the numbers, back comes the power, in goes all the flaps, and with luck, I never have to touch the throttle again. This assumes John and my AS are calibrated the same. YMMV. Be careful, if you are trying these lower speeds on your own. You can use 60 MPH but that is a bit slow, even by my standards and the sink rate gets up there. However, in my light (990 lbs) -9 I still have enough energy to flair. Note, if I was going to try 60 MPH with a -9A, you might want to be ready with the throttle to help lift the nose a little. With my tail dragger, that isn't a concern. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:33 PM To: rv9- list; Kitfox Subject: RV9-List: Float on landing after a lengthy discussion on the Kitfox list regarding float on landing and doing some testing in my kitfox to determine the efficacy of maintaining 1.3 times stall speed on approach I decided to try the same thing with the RV9. I climbed to pattern altitude plus 2000 feet and configured for landing: full flaps 1200 rpm. With this setup I practiced a variety of manuevers that might be required in landing while maintaining 65IAS. The RV9 was perfectly stable in all manuevers and indicated 400-450 rate of decent. With regained confidence I returned to the pattern a proceded to make a couple of landings. Again holding 65IAS as precisely as possible I had two of the best landings in a long time. Gone was the hunting for the ground while excess speed bled off. Flying can really be a Zen experience. John Kerr Logan UT href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Float on landing
Chenoweth wrote: > Bill, > Like John I'm also a Kitfox builder/flyer so my frame of reference is > that. When you say "back comes the power" what do you mean? In my case > I go to idle, stay high, slip to landing without flaps, and almost never > touch the power. In something over 300 hours that has worked well. I'm > using two-stroke power and consider this landing technique good practice > in case of a power failure. I'm with him on the 1.3 and then a bit less > on short final. > > My assumption is that this technique (idle power and slips) will not be > appropriate with the 9, right? Also, are you three-pointing, wheel > landing, or something else. I'm using what amounts to a barely flying > three-point. > > And, thanks for the gap seal info. > Bill > Can't speak for the -9, but it works for Luscombe 8A, Globe/Temco Swift, C-150 taildragger, Thorp T-18, RV-4, BD-4...And it works works with or without flaps on the planes that have flaps. (There are a few certified planes that placard against slips with full flaps.) My biggest gripe about the -4 is that the rudder is too small to get a decent slip. (I learned to fly in the Luscombe.) :-) My experience with the -4 & fixed pitch prop is that anything over an idle setting (with idle speed set below 700rpm) will result in almost endless float. The -4 will fly until you run out of gas at around 1500rpm. Anything over ~70mph/60kts results in long rides above the runway, even at idle power. I'd expect the -9 to be much worse at those speeds. *A constant speed prop changes everything.* Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums!
Dear Listers, Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums, you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested spellings. http://forums.matronics.com Enjoy! Matt Dralle Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: wing gap seal
Date: Sep 08, 2007
Mike, You have it lucky up there, your summer time temps are as hot as ours here in the Carolinas. The Goop trim adhesive seems to hold, regardless of the OAT's and it remains flexible. That's why I recommend. I'm sure the 3M product is equally as good. I'm game to get the -9's together. On our return from the beach we stopped at a local airport for cheep fuel ($3.75/gal) and they had a big fly-in (Sky raider, P-51, DC-3, and a bunch of home builts.) We pulled up to the pumps, filled up, and left but in that time I was asked if my -9 was an RV-4, 6, 7, or 8, Swift, and a few others. One guy asked why I put a new cowling on my plane. He looked dumbfounded when I told him it was to match the new plane it was attached to. I don't think he understood even after I mentioned that I just finished building it. :D Keep pounding those rivets guys, this -9 is one VERY nice flying bird! Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael T. Ice Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: wing gap seal Bill, I agree. Doesn't seem to be a big area for concern. Bill R. Has done it and is flying, good on him. He likes Goop and has used it a lot, I have more experience with the 3M weather strip adhesive. Both probably do the same thing equally well. I do like the fact that Bill R., you and I are build 9's. Some day we might all get together at a 9 convention. A conventional geared 9 convention. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth <mailto:chenoweth(at)gwi.net> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:30 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: wing gap seal Mike, I guess I'm going to wait on the strip termination technique. We'll be a Sun n Fun again next year so I should have lots of samples to look at. Thanks for the glue idea - from what Bill R. said I suspect I can go without for a while or maybe just glue here and there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Ice <mailto:aurbo(at)ak.net> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: wing gap seal Bill, I can't answer how to terminate the strip but perhaps I can help with the glue. I have used 3M contact cement (yellow) with great success when attaching rubber parts to Cessnas in the past. Just smear a light coat on each part, let dry, put them together and they will stick. This glue is real messy so tape off any place you don't want to glue. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth <chenoweth(at)gwi.net> Date: Friday, September 7, 2007 3:11 pm Subject: RV9-List: wing gap seal > I'm trying to figure out how the rubber seal between the wing gap > seal and the fuselage is terminated along the bottom of the > fuselage. I'm building a 9 tailwheel so there is no main gear > fairing to cover the termination. > Do any of you tailwheel builders have suggestions on how to do > this or perhaps a picture. Also, is it appropriate or necessary > to glue the rubber seal to the gap seal? If so, with what? > Thanks, > Bill > Albion, Maine _____ Date: 9/7/2007 4:40 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: Re: Float on landing
Date: Sep 08, 2007
Mike, Abeam the numbers I'm at 1000 AGL, throttle to idle, drop all the flaps in and trim it for 65. Originally I tried 10 degrees abeam the numbers, 20 on base, and 30 on final but I found this works better. It also keeps my patterns very close and tight. My preferred landing is a three point but I am starting to wheel land this thing. Wheel landings are probably best but I still need to work on them. The airport I fly out of is 2300 feet long by 30 feet wide. Last night I wheel landed it on, touched down at about 300 feet, held the tail up until there was no more up elevator, my roll was probably close to 1000 feet, maybe less. No brakes were used and never really are, except to turn around. Last weekend I took a guy for a ride who owns a Citabria and I was going to let him take off until I realized he couldn't hold a straight line while taxing on grass. The VS and rudder on the -9 is VERY effective but not touchy, IMHO. It will do well in a cross wind. BTW, I regularly do full deflection slips at 65 MPH. Another nice thing about the airport I fly out of are the beautiful trees at each end. The -9 really, really, really likes to float so speed control seems to be everything! Today I did an approach at 60 MPH. I don't recommend that as you are right on the edge of a high sink rate or stall. You would be much better holding 60 w/ power and fly it down behind the power curve to a landing. Mike, with the tundra tires you are going to install on your -9, you can give that a try. Here is some incentive for those you who are still building... Nora and I flew the -9 down to North Myrtle Beach (CRE) for lunch. It took less than an hour each way. By 11 we had our feet in the ocean, lunch at 1, back in the plane at 2:30 and enjoying the Charlotte Greek Festival with friends by 5. She is currently looking at maps to find other places we can fly to. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael T. Ice Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: RV9-List: Float on landing Bill, Abeam the numbers, what throttle setting are you using? How many RPM's. Do you know how many RPM's it is that simulates "zero thrust" in the 9? Have you done any "wheel landings" yet? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci <mailto:bill(at)repucci.com> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: Float on landing Just to repeat some of the emails John and I exchanged privately this morning... I've been using 65 MPH since my first flight and now with 40 hours I have not had a problem with that speed. Abeam the numbers, back comes the power, in goes all the flaps, and with luck, I never have to touch the throttle again. This assumes John and my AS are calibrated the same. YMMV. Be careful, if you are trying these lower speeds on your own. You can use 60 MPH but that is a bit slow, even by my standards and the sink rate gets up there. However, in my light (990 lbs) -9 I still have enough energy to flair. Note, if I was going to try 60 MPH with a -9A, you might want to be ready with the throttle to help lift the nose a little. With my tail dragger, that isn't a concern. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: RV9-List: Float on landing after a lengthy discussion on the Kitfox list regarding float on landing and doing some testing in my kitfox to determine the efficacy of maintaining 1.3 times stall speed on approach I decided to try the same thing with the RV9. I climbed to pattern altitude plus 2000 feet and configured for landing: full flaps 1200 rpm. With this setup I practiced a variety of manuevers that might be required in landing while maintaining 65IAS. The RV9 was perfectly stable in all manuevers and indicated 400-450 rate of decent. With regained confidence I returned to the pattern a proceded to make a couple of landings. Again holding 65IAS as precisely as possible I had two of the best landings in a long time. Gone was the hunting for the ground while excess speed bled off. Flying can really be a Zen experience. John Kerr Logan UT href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Hall" <dhall(at)donka.net>
Subject: RE: RV7-List: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS
Date: Sep 11, 2007
No. The instructions don't say to match contour. 90 deg works. Matching the contour really comes into play on the fuse bulkheads.. ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 fuselage http://rv7.donka.net ****************************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: RV7-List: FLUTING Ribs to match desired taper of VS --> RV7-List message posted by: Garey Wittich --> Greetings: Have an '"older" empennage and instructions dating back to 1999. Understand RV-7, 8 and 9 have the same Vert Stabilizer. Is there anything in the "Newer Instructions" about about tapering (angling) the flanges of the VS Ribs to match the desired contour (taper) of the VS ??? Thanks, Garey ________________________________________________________________________________
From: William DeLacey <whd721(at)msn.com>
Subject: RV-9 construction
Date: Sep 11, 2007
I would like the groups opinion on my situation. I have had to move approximately 40 miles from my hangar. Would it be feasible to store the majority of the parts in the hangar and b ring a assembly at a time home to work on it. My shop is small but may hol d a fuselage or wing (s). Can you reasonably finish a major assembly at a time? Final assembly in th e hangar would be easy, but, how far can you go before you have to be worki ng on the whole to finish. I can measure the spaces, but do not know if the concept is workable. How many extra hours would this add? Any opinions would be appreciated. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 11, 2007
From: "Bruce Peters" <rv9aplane(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-9 construction
Hi, It's entirely workable as you do major assemblies one at a time anyway. I've so far built everything in my (barely) two car garage. I'm on the fuselage now and it's a tight fit but can be done. The horizontal stabilizer and elevators are in my bedroom, the VS and rudder in the kitchen, and the wings were in the dining room until I built a stand to put them in. Needless to say I'm single and eat out a lot. Assuming you have all the tools you need at home I don't see why this would add any more hours to the project with the exception of the time you spend transporting things back and forth. Obviously you will need to go back to the hanger for the wing mounting on the fuselage. You're better off having this close even if it's in tight quarters because it's much easier to step out in the shop and work for an hour if you want without having to think about driving 40 miles each way. My guess is you wouldn't make the drive and the project would languish except for on the weekend (assuming you're not retired and have to work every weekday). So bring some things home and have at it! Bruce RV-9A, Fuselage Bakersfield, CA On 9/11/07, William DeLacey wrote: > > I would like the groups opinion on my situation. > > I have had to move approximately 40 miles from my hangar. > > Would it be feasible to store the majority of the parts in the hangar and > bring a assembly at a time home to work on it. My shop is small but may > hold a fuselage or wing (s). > > Can you reasonably finish a major assembly at a time? Final assembly in > the hangar would be easy, but, how far can you go before you have to be > working on the whole to finish. > > I can measure the spaces, but do not know if the concept is workable. > How many extra hours would this add? > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2007
From: <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV-9 construction
Hi Bill, I agree the others. I started my RV in a very small 2 car garage that had 1 car in it. It was fine for the emppenage, wings and fuselage would have been possible but I'm only 15 minutes from my hangar so moved there. Things to think about are: is the space big enough to house a wing and or fuselage and still have room for a work bench, tools and your plans and instructions? If so you will be ok until final assembly. Bear in mind a discussion that took place in this forum about 5 years ago concluded that when you get ready get your fuselage on its gear and hang the engine your about 1/2 done. Dennis Thomas --- William DeLacey wrote: > > I would like the groups opinion on my situation. > > I have had to move approximately 40 miles from my > hangar. > > Would it be feasible to store the majority of the > parts in the hangar and bring a assembly at a time > home to work on it. My shop is small but may hold a > fuselage or wing (s). > > Can you reasonably finish a major assembly at a > time? Final assembly in the hangar would be easy, > but, how far can you go before you have to be > working on the whole to finish. > > I can measure the spaces, but do not know if the > concept is workable. How many extra hours would > this add? > > Any opinions would be appreciated. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: wing gap seal
Date: Sep 12, 2007
My gap seal run from rear of the top skin all the way around to rear of the bottom skin. I have not attached them with any adhesive and they stay in position. I can get photos if you wish. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net> I'm trying to figure out how the rubber seal between the wing gap seal and the fuselage is terminated along the bottom of the fuselage. I'm building a 9 tailwheel so there is no main gear fairing to cover the termination. Do any of you tailwheel builders have suggestions on how to do this or perhaps a picture. Also, is it appropriate or necessary to glue the rubber seal to the gap seal? If so, with what? Thanks, Bill Albion, Maine
My gap seal run from rear of the top skin all the way around to rear of the bottom skin. I have not attached them with any adhesive and they stay in position. I can get photos if you wish.

John Kerr

I'm trying to figure out how the rubber seal between the wing gap seal and the fuselage is terminated along the bottom of the fuselage. I'm building a 9 tailwheel so there is no main gear fairing to cover the termination.

Do any of you tailwheel builders have suggestions on how to do this or perhaps a picture. Also, is it appropriate or necessary to glue the rubber seal to the gap seal? If so, with what?

Thanks,

Bill

Albion, Maine

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From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: wing gap seal
Date: Sep 12, 2007
John, Thanks and if it's not too much trouble I would like to see what it looks like on the bottom of your plane. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: wing gap seal My gap seal run from rear of the top skin all the way around to rear of the bottom skin. I have not attached them with any adhesive and they stay in position. I can get photos if you wish. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net> I'm trying to figure out how the rubber seal between the wing gap seal and the fuselage is terminated along the bottom of the fuselage. I'm building a 9 tailwheel so there is no main gear fairing to cover the termination. Do any of you tailwheel builders have suggestions on how to do this or perhaps a picture. Also, is it appropriate or necessary to glue the rubber seal to the gap seal? If so, with what? Thanks, Bill Albion, Maine ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 9/7/2007 4:40 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2007
From: jdisher(at)intergate.com
Subject: Re: RV-9 construction
Take it from a guy that learned the hard way. Pick your assembly spot and stick with it as much as possible. I started in a small garage, moved to the 2 car at my house, then my shop and finally after the fuselage, wings and everything were done and painted, moved to my hanger. Like my grandfather said "3 moves are as bad as a fire". I know that I'm not the most organized guy in the world, but after 4 locations, it really gets tough to find things sometimes. The airpalne parts, for the most part, weren't so tough, it was tools and hardware, etc. The other thing is once you start, don't stop. Its like going to church. If you go every sunday, its just a natural thing, but if you stop for a while, it's tough to get back in the habit again, and tough to remember where you left off. My 2 cents worth John Disher N941RV-99.9% done Quoting William DeLacey : > > I would like the groups opinion on my situation. > > I have had to move approximately 40 miles from my hangar. > > Would it be feasible to store the majority of the parts in the > hangar and bring a assembly at a time home to work on it. My shop > is small but may hold a fuselage or wing (s). > > Can you reasonably finish a major assembly at a time? Final > assembly in the hangar would be easy, but, how far can you go before > you have to be working on the whole to finish. > > I can measure the spaces, but do not know if the concept is > workable. How many extra hours would this add? > > Any opinions would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com>
Subject: RV-9 construction
Date: Sep 12, 2007
I had my tools split between my hanger and home workshop and ended up buying 2 of almost everything to stay productive. The wings and empennage can be built it a pretty small space, just make sure you can get them out. Anything is possible, but driving 40 miles there and back is pretty unproductive time except for mind planning. I would go for it and get your empennage and wings done, then make a decision of your fuselage based on that experience. Good luck. Carl _____ From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William DeLacey Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: RV9-List: RV-9 construction I would like the groups opinion on my situation. I have had to move approximately 40 miles from my hangar. Would it be feasible to store the majority of the parts in the hangar and bring a assembly at a time home to work on it. My shop is small but may hold a fuselage or wing (s). Can you reasonably finish a major assembly at a time? Final assembly in the hangar would be easy, but, how far can you go before you have to be working on the whole to finish. I can measure the spaces, but do not know if the concept is workable. How many extra hours would this add? Any opinions would be appreciated. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: William DeLacey <whd721(at)msn.com>
Subject: RV-9 construction
Date: Sep 12, 2007
Thanks to all who took the time to reply. Your input is valuable. Your answers remind me of a statement I read several years ago. " The firs t 90% of the construction is not too difficult, but the other half will rea lly test you." Thanks again. From: whd721(at)msn.comTo: rv9-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RV9-List: RV-9 const ructionDate: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:16:49 -0700 I would like the groups opinion on my situation. I have had to move approxi mately 40 miles from my hangar. Would it be feasible to store the majority of the parts in the hangar and bring a assembly at a time home to work on it. My shop is small but may hold a fuselage or wing (s). Can you reasonab ly finish a major assembly at a time? Final assembly in the hangar would b e easy, but, how far can you go before you have to be working on the whole to finish. I can measure the spaces, but do not know if the concept is work able. How many extra hours would this add? Any opinions would be appreciat ed. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2007
From: "Alvin Jones" <ajones(at)dfn.com>
Subject: RV-9 construction
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:15:30 -0400 >I had my tools split between my hanger and home workshop and ended up buying >2 of almost everything to stay productive. The wings and empennage can be >built it a pretty small space, just make sure you can get them out. >Anything is possible, but driving 40 miles there and back is pretty >unproductive time except for mind planning. I would go for it and get your >empennage and wings done, then make a decision of your fuselage based on >that experience. Good luck. Carl > > > > _____ > >From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William DeLacey >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:17 AM >To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV9-List: RV-9 construction > > > >I would like the groups opinion on my situation. > >I have had to move approximately 40 miles from my hangar. > >Would it be feasible to store the majority of the parts in the hangar and >bring a assembly at a time home to work on it. My shop is small but may >hold a fuselage or wing (s). > >Can you reasonably finish a major assembly at a time? Final assembly in the >hangar would be easy, but, how far can you go before you have to be working >on the whole to finish. > >I can measure the spaces, but do not know if the concept is workable. How >many extra hours would this add? > >Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ Sent via DFN Systems Web Mail at dfn.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ernie & Margo" <ekells(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-9 construction
Date: Sep 16, 2007
I am an RV-9A builder, testing my electrical plus developing my Flight Test manual and preparing for the big inspection. You should not move to the airport until you absolutely cannot do anything more in your garage. You efficiency will reduce to about 10%. It will be very frustrating. When the Empennage is complete store these pieces in your house, basement or somewhere else. Be certain that you can get the horizontal stabilizer out (it's very long assembled - 10 feet). If you have a "full size" single car garage you can build almost everything in the garage. When each wing is complete store it in the garage by suspending them from the ceiling - you should have an area overhead that is 12 x 4 x 1 foot for each wing below the ceiling. You now have lots of space in your garage. You won't need to take these pieces down until the fuselage is done and the canopy and motor/propeller are finished - very late in your building program. You need the wings to build the intersection fairings (which you could do after you are flying). I bought the upper leg fairings - then finished and fitted them (plus the wing intersection fairings as soon as the wings were installed - JUST PRIOR TO HAVING THE AIRPLANE PAINTED in the pretty colours. Good luck ERNEST KELLS - RV-A C-GKEL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alvin Jones" <ajones(at)dfn.com> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV-9 construction > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> > Reply-To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:15:30 -0400 > >>I had my tools split between my hanger and home workshop and ended up >>buying >>2 of almost everything to stay productive. The wings and empennage can be >>built it a pretty small space, just make sure you can get them out. >>Anything is possible, but driving 40 miles there and back is pretty >>unproductive time except for mind planning. I would go for it and get your >>empennage and wings done, then make a decision of your fuselage based on >>that experience. Good luck. Carl >> >> >> >> _____ >> >>From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William DeLacey >>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:17 AM >>To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: RV9-List: RV-9 construction >> >> >> >>I would like the groups opinion on my situation. >> >>I have had to move approximately 40 miles from my hangar. >> >>Would it be feasible to store the majority of the parts in the hangar and >>bring a assembly at a time home to work on it. My shop is small but may >>hold a fuselage or wing (s). >> >>Can you reasonably finish a major assembly at a time? Final assembly in >>the >>hangar would be easy, but, how far can you go before you have to be >>working >>on the whole to finish. >> >>I can measure the spaces, but do not know if the concept is workable. How >>many extra hours would this add? >> >>Any opinions would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Sent via DFN Systems Web Mail at dfn.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: pitot
Date: Sep 17, 2007
As you know there isn't much guidance on the routing path for the line from the Pitot tube to the airspeed indicator. I'm following the drawing which calls for 1/4 aluminum tubing thru the wing. After that it seems to be every man for himself so I'll connect the aluminum to the nylon line once inside the fuselage by way of hose clamps and a piece of flexible tubing (Van's suggestion). But I'm looking for ideas about the routing and point of junction from wing to fuselage and then to the gauge. I'm trying to be sure I don't interfere with wing bolt insertion, control columns and pushrods, and other wiring. Plus trying to imagine how to connect all this together as the wing is joined to the fuselage. Any and all suggestions will be much appreciated. Thanks, Bill Albion, Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: RV9A Quickbuild
From: "whd721" <whd721(at)msn.com>
Date: Oct 12, 2007
I have decided to start my RV with the empennage kit at Synergy Air. Then I will start on the quickbuild fuselage in the garage, the empennage can be stored in the hangar. After the fuselage then on to the finishing kit then firewall forward and finally the quickbuild wings. Any comments? A second question, I have found discussions on both a rolling platform and a rotissery frame. Any pros on cons to either of these for a quickbuild fuselage? Thanks in advance. -------- whd721 RV9A Beaverton, OR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139697#139697 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 13, 2007
From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: RV9A Quickbuild
Whd, The key to success in building an RV (or any large project) is to do a little bit each and every day. Do whatever you think will encourage you to do so. I think a rolling platform may have some advantages, if you can keep it stable when it isn't rolling. Can't comment on the ability to turn the fuselage upside down or whatever. I didn't use one and never thought I needed one. A friend used one and loved it. One item I would recommend is keep the fuselage nice and low for as long as you can. Once you have to build a platform to work on or stand on a stool it just complicates the process. Mike installing E/P mags ----- Original Message ----- From: "whd721" <whd721(at)msn.com> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: RV9-List: RV9A Quickbuild > > I have decided to start my RV with the empennage kit at Synergy Air. Then > I will start on the quickbuild fuselage in the garage, the empennage can > be stored in the hangar. After the fuselage then on to the finishing kit > then firewall forward and finally the quickbuild wings. > > Any comments? > > A second question, I have found discussions on both a rolling platform and > a rotissery frame. Any pros on cons to either of these for a quickbuild > fuselage? > > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > whd721 > RV9A > Beaverton, OR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139697#139697 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Cudney <yenduc(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV9A Quickbuild
Date: Oct 13, 2007
You don't really need either. I just built a padded stand to go under the spar area that kept the bottom of the fusilage about 18 inches off the floor and another for the tail area -- this seemed a convenient height to work on things. Later I put it on its gear and the padded stand worked as a short walk way to place along side the plane for me to stand on while working before the wings were mounted. good luck dave On Oct 12, 2007, at 10:48 PM, whd721 wrote: > > I have decided to start my RV with the empennage kit at Synergy > Air. Then I will start on the quickbuild fuselage in the garage, > the empennage can be stored in the hangar. After the fuselage then > on to the finishing kit then firewall forward and finally the > quickbuild wings. > > Any comments? > > A second question, I have found discussions on both a rolling > platform and a rotissery frame. Any pros on cons to either of > these for a quickbuild fuselage? > > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > whd721 > RV9A > Beaverton, OR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139697#139697 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: RV9A Quickbuild
Date: Oct 13, 2007
I built a rolling platform (http://www.repucci.com/bill/things_to_consider.html#Roll%20Around%20Fus elage%20Stand) when building my -9. I found it useful because it allowed me to position the fuselage when doing different tasks, such as mounting the wings and tail. However, I can easily see the advantage of a rotating stand. The one problem I see with the rotating stand is that there were times when I wanted to work on the firewall and the rotating stand might have been in the way. The same could be said for the fuselage sitting on a table, as mine did. On distinct advantage to having it on the platform is you can get in it to work, and that was helpful when bolting the wings on. Best of luck with your project. Bill www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of whd721 Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:49 AM Subject: RV9-List: RV9A Quickbuild I have decided to start my RV with the empennage kit at Synergy Air. Then I will start on the quickbuild fuselage in the garage, the empennage can be stored in the hangar. After the fuselage then on to the finishing kit then firewall forward and finally the quickbuild wings. Any comments? A second question, I have found discussions on both a rolling platform and a rotissery frame. Any pros on cons to either of these for a quickbuild fuselage? Thanks in advance. -------- whd721 RV9A Beaverton, OR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139697#139697 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2007
Subject: [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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From: "Joseph Seays" <jseays(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Prop for RV-9A
Date: Oct 31, 2007
-----Original Message----- From: "owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com" <owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com> Sent: 7/24/07 9:15 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Prop for RV-9A Hi Ray, MT Propeller has a very nice 3 blade propeller.? MTV-12-C/180-57.? Van's A/C should have the best price. MT Propellers available for the Lyc. 320 are listed on my website, www.ca-propeller.com Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: Ray D. Congdon <n7hqk(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 6:45 am Subject: RV9-List: Prop for RV-9A Well...? I'm to the point that I need to sit down and consider a prop for my RV-9A.? I have an engine, a Lycoming O-320 B3B That came complete with a prop governor.? So...? what are the recommendations for a prop to put on the beastie? ? ISA-USA Inc. Industrial Strength Answers For Telecommunications Infrastructure Ray D. Congdon 5515 N 4400 W Cedar City, UT 84720 USA www.isa-usa-inc.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2007
From: <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Prop for RV-9A
The factory RV9-A had a composit MT 3 blade prop which was removed and replaced with a 2 blade which they said gave better performance. --- Joseph Seays wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com" > > To: "rv9-list(at)matronics.com" > > Sent: 7/24/07 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Prop for RV-9A > > Hi Ray, > > MT Propeller has a very nice 3 blade propeller.? > MTV-12-C/180-57.? Van's A/C should have the best > price. > > MT Propellers available for the Lyc. 320 are listed > on my website, www.ca-propeller.com > > Regards, > Jim Ayers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray D. Congdon <n7hqk(at)yahoo.com> > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 6:45 am > Subject: RV9-List: Prop for RV-9A > > > > Well...? I'm to the point that I need to sit down > and consider a prop for my RV-9A.? I have an engine, > a Lycoming O-320 B3B That came complete with a prop > governor.? So...? what are the recommendations for a > prop to put on the beastie? > > ? > ISA-USA Inc. > Industrial Strength Answers For Telecommunications > Infrastructure > Ray D. Congdon > 5515 N 4400 W > Cedar City, UT 84720 USA > www.isa-usa-inc.com > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month!
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Subject: Re: Prop for RV-9A
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: lessdragprod(at)aol.com
Van's Aircraft had a MTV-12-C/180-119d on their RV-9A. The MTV-12-C/180-57 was specifically designed for the Lyc. (I)O-320 engine on a RV. I don't believe Van's Aircraft has ever flown this propeller on their factory aircraft. I have two customers that have changed from the 180-119d blades to the 180-57 blades, and they seem very happy with their performance now. If Van's Aircraft isn't going to sell the MTV-12-C/180-57 Propeller Assembly, then send me an Email and I'll try to get as close to Van's price on the 180-119d propeller as I can for the 180-57 propeller.? (Read this as accepting no significant profit.) Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net Sent: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 9:28 pm Subject: RE: RV9-List: Prop for RV-9A The factory RV9-A had a composit MT 3 blade prop which was removed and replaced with a 2 blade which they said gave better performance. --- Joseph Seays wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com" > > To: "rv9-list(at)matronics.com" > > Sent: 7/24/07 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Prop for RV-9A > > Hi Ray, > > MT Propeller has a very nice 3 blade propeller.? > MTV-12-C/180-57.? Van's A/C should have the best > price. > > MT Propellers available for the Lyc. 320 are listed > on my website, www.ca-propeller.com > > Regards, > Jim Ayers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray D. Congdon <n7hqk(at)yahoo.com> > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 6:45 am > Subject: RV9-List: Prop for RV-9A > > > > Well...? I'm to the point that I need to sit down > and consider a prop for my RV-9A.? I have an engine, > a Lycoming O-320 B3B That came complete with a prop > governor.? So...? what are the recommendations for a > prop to put on the beastie? > > ? > ISA-USA Inc. > Industrial Strength Answers For Telecommunications > Infrastructure > Ray D. Congdon > 5515 N 4400 W > Cedar City, UT 84720 USA > www.isa-usa-inc.com > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 04, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser
Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. I've got a bunch of really nice incentive gifts this year. There's really something for everyone! Please make a Contribution today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Listers Are Saying...
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below. The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support of the List members. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List and Forums: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ================= What Listers Are Saying ================ Flying and building is much safer with this List!! Robert D. Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to all of us builders and flyers. Wayne E. Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising! Peter J. ..a great resource!! Robert C. Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right up to date with what's going on. Chris D. The web forum has been running great. James O. I enjoy this [List] site very much... Paul C. This is a great list! Albert G. ..a valuable resource! Roger C. I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind! Gregory C. ..fantastic service! Roger M. ..clearly a work of passion! Mike C. It is a great service to us! Kevin C. The list is a wonderful resource... Ralph O. [The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in building my RV-9A and now my RV-10. Albert G. ..a valuable and always improving service. Dick S. STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!! Owen B. ..such a valuable tool. Jon M. [The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me as a Zenith homebuilder. David G. The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other interesting builders and to make some new friends is truly appreciated. Albert G. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet!
:-) Dear Listers, If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! Implemented for the first time last year, the Matronics system selectively sends out the Contribution messages to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-) You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox! I wanted to implement something like this for a number of years, but it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally last year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working system! I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered up. I run ALL of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site. If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [Please note the following regarding the selective posting system. There are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. These situations include if someone replies to one of the messages, or when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. Since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve carlson" <scbt(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Date: Nov 10, 2007
I've owned 4 RV's and presently have a 10 I love flying. The problem is that I have a new job and the airplane sits. I'd like to sell it, or, preferably, trade for a 7A or 9A plus cash. It's a beautiful 2006 IFR certtified 10, dual Cheltons, etc. The panel can be seen at steinair.co - customer panels - Jim Sinkbeil and Jim Otey. Pictures and specs on request. Thanks. Steve Carlson Spokane, Wa. (509) 534-5967 scbt(at)comcast.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam...
Dear Listers, Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter. The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering. A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back to "normal". There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send out a follow up post mortem on the event... November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List of Contributors
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by popping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2007
From: <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Rv-9 N164dv
Hello Listers, This airplane, the first RV-9 taildragger built by a customer is for sale. For information contact; dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net 831-479-7986 831-345-3788 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Cudney <yenduc(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: lots of mail
Date: Nov 13, 2007
Sorry about the question regarding 19,000+ emails I was getting everyday. I'm not used to Apple yet and there was an obscure switch that included trashed mail with incoming mail.--I think I've got it set properly now. For a while it was like trying to stamp out a forest fire with a fly swatter - it kept coming back again, and again, and again,.......... Things are starting to pick up now I mounted my prop (Hartzel blended) and spinner and am starting on the upper cowl today. best wishes dave > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Russell Lassetter" <rblassett(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Construction/Restoration
Date: Nov 14, 2007
Hello all, I would like to offer my aircraft construction/restoration services to the group. I have a 40' X 60' hangar in NE Georgia and have a lifetime of experience with various aircraft. I can construct large projects for $15.00 per hour with first-class workmanship. Please email me directly or give me a call. Russ Lassetter 202 Aviation Blvd. Cleveland, GA 30528 706-348-7514 rblassett(at)alltel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Value of the List...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do... :-) Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the Lists? Contribution Page: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution too! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2007
From: "John Disher" <jdisher(at)intergate.com>
Subject: Re: Wiring conduit and lower skin riveting - RV-9 Wings
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From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: Rv-9 N164dv
Date: Nov 19, 2007
FYI - For those of you on the fence about buying a tail wheel RV, the -9 tail wheel is the easiest airplane I have ever flown. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: RV9-List: Rv-9 N164dv Hello Listers, This airplane, the first RV-9 taildragger built by a customer is for sale. For information contact; dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net 831-479-7986 831-345-3788 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser...
Dear Listers, Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience over the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists. I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a number of file formats including pictures and PDFs. Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the data you're looking for. And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files (http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share ( http://wiki.matronics.com ). I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally, the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year, accounting for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_! I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message, Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites. The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual List Fund Raiser! List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Are You Thankful For...?
Dear Listers, Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed upon us. Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like, "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!! Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for their continued operation and upgrade? The List Contribution Site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Comments
Dear Listers, Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their Contributions in support of the Lists this year. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. Remember, there is _no advertising budget_ to keep these Lists funded. It is solely through your generosity that they continue. Please make a Contribution: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ------------------------------What Listers Are Saying------------------------------ The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701. George R Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us to gather and share knowledge. Neal G What a fantastic resource! Ralph C It's a pretty cheep troubleshooting tool with and unlimited resource of personal knowledge. Bruce G A full house of Info & Ideas... Ellery B I really enjoy the Piet list. Steven D The Lists are an indispensable resource for those of us building OBAM aircraft. Bret S ..a great service. Frank D ..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific questions. Richard S Your list has really helped me in my first build. Michael W Always a pleasure to support this great resource... Richard W I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial. Bob L Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers. Ellery B Your lists are a great service to builders and owners! Richard D A real good place for someone that is starting to get interested into flying without investing any money at first. Ellery B The list has been an great help to my building process. David B I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and the Zenith List. Jeff D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published Dec
1! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all? Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle?
Dear Listers, Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in computer networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web development and CGI design during that time, along with some embedded system development as well. I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few. For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter, a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet connection with full static addressing. The computer servers found here include a quad-processor Xeon Linux server for List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the email processing List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage! This entire system is protected by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One month last Summer, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone! I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer Center for the Matronics Email Lists. Last year I added another rack to house the MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the first rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition of the second rack: http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister. But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you... and YOU! To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running! Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these Lists! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) There are some great gifts available with qualifying Contribution levels too! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Wow! A Ton of Comments!
Dear Listers, I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions lately! I've shared a bunch more below. Please read over some of them and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums. There are just a couple more days left before the official end of this year's Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation of these services. There are still lots of awesome gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution. http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists ----------- In the big picture, you are most certainly saving lives. The fact that you do it at a very good level of service, quality, and simplicity is just icing on the cake. We all owe you a debt of gratitude. Bruce M Can't go a single day without reading my lists. Even when I am overseas. Terry W Best list ever. No comparison. Johann J I get the digest for the two lists I subscribe to each morning -- they go great with my coffee! I can't tell you how much I've learned from this great service... Mark S ..great lists, best on the Net! Robert S It is very nice to enjoy a SPAM free list. Ken L You run a great list. Makes a builder feel like there's lots of help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated. Steve T The list is a very valuable resource. Thomas S You run a good list. James G Thanks for a great forum. Jimmy Y Thanks for a well-maintained list(s). Michael M Great job! Worth every penny! Stephen T Helps me learn and think about issues I didn't know I didn't know. Martin H I find the list very useful... Robert F What you do provides me with daily contact with a passion of my life, aviation. Wendell M ..the list it is very valuable information. Dwayne H ..a great service to homebuilders. Andrew H I have learned quite a lot from reading the Forums. I have been reading at the forum pages and I like the way it works. Ron L [The List] makes a builder feel like there's lots of help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated. Steve T The list service many purposes, not the least of which is motivation to join my fellow RVer in completing my project and getting in the air. John S Thanks for running a great site. Its simplicity is its greatness. Don't know how I would have been successful without it. Timothy F ..terrific service to experimental and general aviation. James F You have a well run operation. I am happy to support what you do. Mark S A wonderful service to the GA community. David M Great list - let's keep it ad-free! Ben C They have been of great help, learning and friendship for all the members Worldwide. Great job of yours, a little idea that grew really big and wonderful. Gary G ..a thoroughly enjoyable and informative List. John W A GREAT LEARNING TOOL!! Dwayne Y This is a very well-run list and it is a valuable resource for the Pietenpol enthusiast. Graham H Thanks for running this great site - helps those of us on the east of the pond keep in touch. Malcolm H Thanks for the major contribution to my continuing education program. Oldbob S I'm just getting started in the building process & find Matronics to be the most valuable site. Scott D Without the information and encouragement from the listers my project would have been sitting in the corner of my shop collecting dust long ago. Now it's almost ready for final assemble and covering. Edward G Great List. No Ads, just RV-10 builders. Keep it going. Rick E Wonderful source of info for building & flying... Graham H The Yak-list is a superb single source to get answers to questions on the operation of these aircraft. Craig W This list is valuable to everyone and your hard work is very much appreciated. Jim S ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two Days Left...
Dear Listers, There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all, participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-) Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2007
From: John Morgensen <john(at)morgensen.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wiring conduit and lower skin riveting - RV-9
Wings Did you notice that I used CPVC? It is much lighter than PVC, about 1.4 oz. per foot. JOHN TIPTON wrote: > > Yes: this is the 'heavier' option > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Morgensen" <john(at)morgensen.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:32 AM > Subject: RV9-List: Re: RV-List: Wiring conduit and lower skin riveting - > RV-9 Wings > > >> See the attached picture for a different solution. I had quick-build >> wings so I used CPVC and pipe suspension hangers. The wing is upside >> down in the picture. >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wiring conduit and lower skin riveting - RV-9 Wings
From: "jrosson" <jrosson(at)symetrics.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2007
The conduit was difficult to pull through the holes, so I didn't bother to glue it to the ribs as I see no way it could ever pull out. Also, were I to do it again, I would route the conduit along the upper part the rib, not the lower. It was a small pain to get the bucking bar between the bottom skin and conduit. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149476#149476 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: Re: Wiring conduit and lower skin riveting - RV-9 Wings
Date: Nov 29, 2007
Jason, Yes they are had to pull through but you glue them in place to keep them from chaffing and being cut by the rib because once that happens, the wires are soon to be cut. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jrosson Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: RV9-List: Re: Wiring conduit and lower skin riveting - RV-9 Wings The conduit was difficult to pull through the holes, so I didn't bother to glue it to the ribs as I see no way it could ever pull out. Also, were I to do it again, I would route the conduit along the upper part the rib, not the lower. It was a small pain to get the bucking bar between the bottom skin and conduit. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149476#149476 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
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From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard
Date: Nov 30, 2007
On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the QB wing. Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is this much harder to install with a QB wing? Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... [Also posted in the VAF ] Ralph Finch Davis, California ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard

Date: Nov 30, 2007
From: "Streiker, Stephen D." <steve(at)streiker.com>
You said: 'I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each side' Why? Is there some big mission deviation that you are planning? Stephen (Steve) Streiker -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the QB wing. Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is this much harder to install with a QB wing? Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... [Also posted in the VAF ] Ralph Finch Davis, California ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2007
From: <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard
Ralph, I would think long, hard and seriously about redesigning the fuel tanks whether it be QB or standard kit. I would talk to Van's about tip tanks first. Actually with an 0-320 engine the 36 gal provided will give you well over 600 miles and 4 hours of range. If you do deside to redesign the wing you could get a standard wing kit and still order a QB fuselage. Dennis Thomas --- Ralph Finch wrote: > > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order > the kits for the -9A, and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and > Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for > time, and both of us lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional > items or things might we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be > difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to > extend the fuel tank 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost > impossible to do with the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot > tube/angle-of-attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard > wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the > thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > > > Click on > about > Admin. > > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > Forums! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2007
From: RScott <rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard
This may or may not help, but the majority opinion, including from Van's brother, is that if you can only do one QB kit, do the QB wing and the slow build fuselage. Next step down in price is to do slow build both, but order the prebuilt fuel tanks. My slow build wings probably took me about 500 hrs.; probably a little slower than most. I wouldn't bother with more fuel. How often would you use the full fuel capacity, anyway? The time it takes to enlarge the fuel tanks won't be offset by the time saved with the longer range unless you fly long distances most of the time. And by doing so, you negate the engineering thought that went into the design and enter unknown territory. Richard Scott RV-9A Fuselage Ralph Finch wrote: > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2007
From: Michael Ice <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard
Ralph, Do you want to fly or build? I did the slow build wings and QB fuselage. If I did it again I would do QB for both. Mike Ice Cowling just about done ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Finch <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us> Date: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:49 pm Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for > the -9A, and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both > of us lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things > might we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the > fuel tank 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do > with the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of- > attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard

Date: Dec 01, 2007
Ralph >From my experience, I can tell you that it is very easy to install the "angle-of-attack" in the QB wing, at least the one which is now sold by Advanced Control Systems. I believe the one from Dynon will be more or less the same. I also installed a heated pitot tube, from Gretz Aero, and it was very easy to do it in the QB wing. Further, if you do both before riveting the bottom skin, which comes in the QB wing for you to do it, it will be a piece of cake. Obviously the same cannot be done with your intention to extend the fuel tanks. In order to do this, you should buy the standard wings; but you still can buy the QB fuselage... If money is not a problem, go for the QB! It will save you a lot of building time and it permits all the changes and additions you could possibly want, except extending the fuel tanks :-( Carlos RV-9A > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch > Sent: sexta-feira, 30 de Novembro de 2007 22:48 > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard > > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard
Easy: tankering. If you can buy wholesale or have an auto-fuel capable engine, you can do many mid-range trips both ways without refueling. An extra 10 gal might not help a lot, but another 20 would certainly be beneficial. I bought slow build wings for my -7 kit because I wanted to add fuel capacity, but in retrospect it wouldn't be that hard to add fuel after the fact. There's a guy in FL doing 'hired gun' work on Mustang replica kits. He starts with QB kits, cuts access holes on the bottom of the leading edge 'D' cells, 'caulks' the joints & shop heads of the rivets & seals up the holes. On the -9, it might be even easier. Where are the lightening holes in the spar, outside the existing tanks? You might be able to reach in through those holes to seal the joints/rivet heads, then close the lightening holes with sealed plates. Fuel pickup can go through the spar, or if you skip a bay, you can put the pickup in the rib just like the stock tank. Having added 'wet wing' aux tanks to the -7 wing leading edges, I'm confident that the technique described above on a QB wing would be a lot easier and faster than what I did on the slow build wings. If the -9 QB wing is like the -7 QB, with one of the bottom skins left for the builder, then any of the other mods should be a non-event. I don't really want to talk about how many hours I've got in the wings... Charlie Streiker, Stephen D. wrote: > > You said: 'I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each > side' > > Why? Is there some big mission deviation that you are planning? > > > Stephen (Steve) Streiker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:48 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or > Standard > > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, > and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us > lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might > we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank > 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with > the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot > tube/angle-of-attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard

Date: Nov 30, 2007
Ralph, Having paid myself around $8/hr to assemble my slow build, I would go quick build, if I were doing it again. As adding fuel, check out SafeAir1's option: http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_Buying_Tanks.htm Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the QB wing. Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is this much harder to install with a QB wing? Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... [Also posted in the VAF ] Ralph Finch Davis, California ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jedwards" <jedwards(at)digital.net>
Subject: WTB: RV-9A Wings / Fuselage
Date: Dec 01, 2007
Does anyone have a wing and/or fuselage kit (QB or at any stage) they are willing to sell. I'm in Florida, so the closer the better, but I'm willing to pick up from just about anywhere. Thanks, John Edwards RV-9A - Slider - Empennage ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2007
From: RScott <rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard
Ralph, Here are some complications you will encounter if you try this: The fuel tank skins are thicker than the leading edge skins. The LE skin feels pretty flimsy by comparison. If you simply seal in the leading edge for one or 2 rib bays, that little tank won't be as strong as the regular tank. I don't know if this is a problem. If you want to use fuel tank skins just for the width of your additional tank area, you will need to install an extra rib at the outboard end of your tank with a splice strip; at least that's how the factory joined the tank skin with the LE skin. And how are you going to cut a prebent skin to get a nice straight edge so the joint will look good? Maybe Van's, if you ask nicely, will provide you with a LE skin the thickness of the tank skin, but I doubt it. There is no provision in the spar for an additional rib at the joint between your tank and the LE and I don't know if you could modify it. You can't just use tank skins full width because the tank skins are an inch or two shorter than the LE skins. Then you also have to route fuel and vent lines. My suggestion? Forget it. The closer you stick to the original design, the faster the plane will go together, the sooner you will be flying. Use a fuel injected engine, lean out, throttle back to get range. After you are flying, then consider maybe a baggage compartment aux tank like a friend of mine is building. Removable, & he only intends to use it when flying solo. Estimates 5 gallons. Much simpler concept, no structural questions. Has to keep it in mid for W&B, however, so he will mount it up next to the seat back. Richard Scott RV-9A Fuselage Ralph Finch wrote: > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "D & D" <dnimigon(at)telusplanet.net>
Subject: Shipping & Duty
Date: Dec 01, 2007
Hi All I'm just about ready to order the RV-9 standard kit and was wondering if anyone could tell me what I can expect for duty costs and what is the best carrier to have the kit shipped from the USA. I live just west of Edmonton. Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ernie & Margo" <ekells(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Shipping & Duty
Date: Dec 02, 2007
Dave and others: Canada Customs will describe the shipment as Aircraft Parts for determining the Tariff. The cost will be converted to $Canadian including the shipping charges. The total cost will be extended for the I live near the border so I have goods shipped to a $US receiving agent for US shipments (always UPS). Works well. Hi All I'm just about ready to order the RV-9 standard kit and was wondering if anyone could tell me what I can expect for duty costs and what is the best carrier to have the kit shipped from the USA. I live just west of Edmonton. Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Grant Neilson" <grantneilson(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: Shipping
Date: Dec 02, 2007
Dave, you. To save the sometimes exorbitant fees the carriers charge for clearing items through customs, I suggest the following: Find out which carriers connect with Roadways (which Van's uses for shipping out of Oregon- in B.C. Van-Kam Freightways connects with them, and they may go into Alberta too). Have them ship to the bonded warehouse closest to you, and hold the kit there so that you can clear it through customs yourself. You just need to have them fax the paperwork to you and the go down to the Canada Border Services agency nearest you and get out your Visa card. Let both Vans and the connecting carrier know beforehand that you're going to clear the kit yourself. Vans can mark the boxes "Hold at the bonded warehouse in Edmonton" or wherever. Your timing is good, with the dollar at or above parity. Grant Neilson, Finishing, RV9A Campbell River, B.C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2007
Subject: Long range fuel for the "9"
From: James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
Carlos, The reason Safe-Air does not have a long range set up for the "9" is the size of the lightning holes in the wing. The availability of "standard" size aluminum tubing and the holes in the wings do not get together. I looked at doing the job myself but with a good look at the availability of aluminum tubing, it could not come together. So, I decided that if I really wanted to extend the range of my "9" I would do an internal tank. It would set behind the pilot and with a separate pump to put fuel into the fuel line for the left tank (while running on the right tank). An appropriate check valve and a quick disconnect rounds out the stuff. I would fill the tank with it installed inside the fuselage. Not the best way but doable. I figured having about 7 -8 gal extra would give me 550 to 600 naut. miles between refueling and still have about 30 min fuel for minimums. After all the figuring, the limiting factor was my bladder. 3-3.5 hours of flight time and I'm ready to get out and stretch a bit. Getting older is a bummer. But then again, beats the alternative. Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2007
From: =?iso-8859-1?b?Sm/jbw==?= Carlos Martins de Medeiros <jc(at)INFONET.COM.BR>
Subject: Range
Hello Carlos: Another RV-9A flying since July. Now, the PU-IJC is 67 hs (hobbs) and 59 Hs (tach) old. Nice panel: Dynon D100 and D120. 2x296, Digitrak PA. And Im so happy again. The old one was sold and is flying in the south region of Brasil, PU-JCI. I really dont know why range tanks extended. Brasil is very large country, with not so many airfields with refueling capacity. Even so we have no problems limiting 3,6 hs leg. And there is no room for a toilet into the cockpit. To visiting my mom, Ive to navigate 1100 NM, the first leg is 600 NM. 1100 NM safety, fast and nice.... -- JC - Aracaju - Brasil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Range - Extra Tanks
Date: Dec 03, 2007
Oi JC J deu pra ver que continua tudo jia com voc!! My idea of having extra tanks was not to extend flight duration (I entirely agree with you about the cockpit toilet impossibility), but to be less dependant on refuelling. Inside of Portugal there's obviously no problem, but I plan to fly to Africa, and it is very difficult to find frequent and reliable fuel over there. Even in Europe, mostly in the South, we can encounter several fuel related problems, from high prices and weekend fuel stations' closures, to difficulties on the methods of payment for fuel. Adding to all those reasons, my aircraft has another fuel related specificity, which is the engine, an Eggenfellner Subaru. This engine, as you can imagine, prefers to drink auto gas, which is still very rare to find in our airports. Um abrao e bons voos Carlos P.S. - um problema de sade, felizmente j quase completamente ultrapassado, impediu-me de concluir a construo do meu RV-9A. Espero que em 2008 j possa ser o ano do "first flight" > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joo Carlos Martins de Medeiros > Sent: domingo, 2 de Dezembro de 2007 23:17 > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV9-List: Range > de > Medeiros > > Hello Carlos: > Another RV-9A flying since July. Now, the PU-IJC is 67 hs (hobbs) and > 59 Hs (tach) old. Nice panel: Dynon D100 and D120. 2x296, Digitrak PA. > And Im so happy again. The old one was sold and is flying in the > south region of Brasil, PU-JCI. > I really dont know why range tanks extended. Brasil is very large > country, with not so many airfields with refueling capacity. Even so > we have no problems limiting 3,6 hs leg. And there is no room for a > toilet into the cockpit. > To visiting my mom, Ive to navigate 1100 NM, the first leg is 600 NM. > 1100 NM safety, fast and nice.... > -- > JC - Aracaju - Brasil > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Long range fuel for the "9"
Date: Dec 03, 2007
Jim Thanks for your answer. I never thought that could be the reason. Can you elaborate a little more on that subject? For example, which is difference in the diameters of the lightening holes from the -9 to the -7 or the -10? And what about the standard diameters of available aluminium tubes? Which is the external diameter of the tanks they produce? Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson > Sent: domingo, 2 de Dezembro de 2007 22:26 > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV9-List: Long range fuel for the "9" > > > Carlos, > The reason Safe-Air does not have a long range set up for the "9" > is the size of the lightning holes in the wing. The availability of > "standard" size aluminum tubing and the holes in the wings do not get > together. I looked at doing the job myself but with a good look at the > availability of aluminum tubing, it could not come together. So, I > decided that if I really wanted to extend the range of my "9" I would do > an internal tank. It would set behind the pilot and with a separate pump > to put fuel into the fuel line for the left tank (while running on the > right tank). An appropriate check valve and a quick disconnect rounds > out the stuff. I would fill the tank with it installed inside the > fuselage. Not the best way but doable. I figured having about 7 -8 gal > extra would give me 550 to 600 naut. miles between refueling and still > have about 30 min fuel for minimums. > After all the figuring, the limiting factor was my bladder. > 3-3.5 hours of flight time and I'm ready to get out and stretch a bit. > Getting older is a bummer. But then again, beats the alternative. > > > Jim > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 03, 2007
Subject: Long range fuel for the "9"
From: James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
Hi Carlos, I do not know the size of the holes in the "7" wing but my "metals" catalog which shows me all the types and sizes available shows an aluminum tube in 6061-T6. This is the only "drawn seamless tubing large enough to be used for an extended range tank in our wings the way Safe-Air does them. Industry standards have available 3", 3-1/2", and 4" O.D. tubing. I don't remember the hole size in the wings, but there was no room to slide the tube into the wing. If you look at the pix of the "7" wing tubes, they are supported with tabs that attach to the ribs. There is no room for the "9" wings to slide the tube into and to utilize the tab mounting. The tube is just a bit to large. You could go into the wing, if you are building the wings, and enlarge the hole to accept the standard tube size. Again, not an easy task. I bought quick built wings and I figured that the effort was not worth the additional work. The interior tank was a much more acceptable method of getting additional fuel. Plus, I could remove the tank if I did not need it. As I said, I decided that the additional fuel was not in my cards. My travels run about 550 NM. Just enough distance to require one refueling. Of course, that is in a NW direction which is against the prevailing winds so my cruising distance with a minimum of 30 to 45 min. comes up short with the standard tanks. Oh well, a break for potty and fuel is ok. Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 06, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors
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From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: Safety-Trim Group Buy
Date: Dec 11, 2007
Dear Fellow RV Builders, TCW Technologies and SteinAir are pleased to announce a group buy is now available on our new servo trim controller. Safety-Trim is an electronic trim servo controller that resolves the issues with run-away trim conditions plus it provides 2 speed trim operation as well as greatly simplified switch wiring. For all the detail please follow this direct link: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478 Thank you, Bob Newman TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JOHN TIPTON" <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com>
Subject: DUCKWORKS LANDING LIGHTS
Date: Dec 11, 2007
Hi Guys We are about to fit a pair of Duckworks landing lights in the wings of an RV9a, and I would appreciate any tips on drilling the plastic: holes sizes are from 3/32 upwards, and I know you should use the correct drills but they start at 1/8 (so it looks like a standard bit for the 3/32), the holes go up to 5/32, plus some countersinking - advice welcome Cheers - John ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 11, 2007
From: RScott <rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com>
Subject: Re: DUCKWORKS LANDING LIGHTS
I heated the plastic with a drop light, then drilled with a standard 3/32 bit. Worked for me. Richard Scott RV-9A Fuselage JOHN TIPTON wrote: > > > Hi Guys > > We are about to fit a pair of Duckworks landing lights in the > wings of an > RV9a, and I would appreciate any tips on drilling the plastic: > holes sizes > are from 3/32 upwards, and I know you should use the correct > drills but they > start at 1/8 (so it looks like a standard bit for the 3/32), the > holes go up > to 5/32, plus some countersinking - advice welcome > > Cheers - John > > * > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: " Peter Laurence" <Dr.Laurence(at)mbdi.org>
Subject: Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy
Date: Dec 12, 2007
the link is dead ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob-tcw To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: RV9-List: Safety-Trim Group Buy Dear Fellow RV Builders, TCW Technologies and SteinAir are pleased to announce a group buy is now available on our new servo trim controller. Safety-Trim is an electronic trim servo controller that resolves the issues with run-away trim conditions plus it provides 2 speed trim operation as well as greatly simplified switch wiring. For all the detail please follow this direct link: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478 Thank you, Bob Newman TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: model airplane
Date: Dec 13, 2007
Does anyone sell a desk top model RV9a or 6 or or 7. Im thinking of painting one with a paint scheme I Have in mind before I paint the whole plane and dont like it. Wayne Owens ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "sportypilot" <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com>
Subject: model airplane
Date: Dec 14, 2007
Yes I bought one on ebay 70 bucks and did exactly that, comes with a stand and made of wood, turned out Nice.. I recommend it.. It was painted like vans demo RV9 yellow and white.. I repainted it with model airplane Paint.. and decals.. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: RV9-List: model airplane Does anyone sell a desk top model RV9a or 6 or or 7. Im thinking of painting one with a paint scheme I Have in mind before I paint the whole plane and dont like it. Wayne Owens ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JOHN TIPTON" <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com>
Subject: model airplane
Date: Dec 14, 2007
http://www.aircraftextras.com/HB-Replica.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: RV9-List: model airplane Does anyone sell a desk top model RV9a or 6 or or 7. Im thinking of painting one with a paint scheme I Have in mind before I paint the whole plane and dont like it. Wayne Owens ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Craig Hagen" <chagen(at)hagenrealestate.com>
Subject: model airplane
Date: Dec 14, 2007
Contact the folks at Gift of Wings www.giftofwings.com <http://www.giftofwings.com/> They have wooden planes customized in the Philippines. It takes a year but the quality is incredible. CH _____ From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: RV9-List: model airplane Does anyone sell a desk top model RV9a or 6 or or 7. Im thinking of painting one with a paint scheme I Have in mind before I paint the whole plane and dont like it. Wayne Owens ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart(at)inebraska.com>
Subject: model airplane
Date: Dec 14, 2007
You can work directly with the guy who makes them in the Phillipines. His name is Winston Uy, and his address is builderscience(at)yahoo.com Here's his store on eBay: http://stores.ebay.com/BUILDERSCIENCE Here are his RV models: http://search.stores.ebay.com/BUILDERSCIENCE_RV_W0QQfciZQ2d1QQfclZ3QQfsnZBUI LDERSCIENCEQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsaselZ98514868QQsofpZ0 They have the ability to custom paint their model to match your plane. It takes a long time, however. They're currently finishing up my Titan's wild paint job: http://www.ultrafunairsports.com/titanss.htm J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports, LLC http://www.ultrafunairsports.com Challenger e-mail list http://challenger.inebraska.com Titan e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ Contact the folks at Gift of Wings www.giftofwings.com <http://www.giftofwings.com/> They have wooden planes customized in the Philippines. It takes a year but the quality is incredible. CH Does anyone sell a desk top model RV9a or 6 or or 7. Im thinking of painting one with a paint scheme I Have in mind before I paint the whole plane and dont like it. Wayne Owens ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 14, 2007
From: John Morgensen <john(at)morgensen.com>
Subject: Re: model airplane
You might also try: > http://www.airplanecolor.com/index.html They have a model airplane paint program with an RV 7,9,and 10. John Morgensen > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Wayne > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:26 PM > *To:* rv9-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RV9-List: model airplane > > > > Does anyone sell a desk top model RV9a or 6 or or 7. > > Im thinking of painting one with a paint scheme I Have in mind before > I paint the whole plane and dont like it. > > Wayne Owens > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List* > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > * * > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 23, 2008
From: "Ray D. Congdon" <n7hqk(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: RV-9A Kit to 25% of Fuse, w/Engine!
Circumstances force me to part with my RV-9A kit. I have completed Emp, Wings (ready for bottom skin) and the rear bottom half of the Fuse. This kit includes a Lyc O-320 B3B with Mags, Vac Pump, Fuel Pump, Prop Gov, Carb and Full Logs (Log shows 3849.2 TT & 1657.2 SMOH Dec 2001 when pulled from Left side of N4181P No Prop strike!). Plan on keeping the tools. I prefer to keep the engine and Airframe Kit as a package for $23,500 You Pick Up. So get a jump on your build! Almost a Quick build! I do not have the finishing kit. Full photos are on my kitlog site: http://www.mykitlog.com/n7hqk Located in Cedar City UT, 84720 n7hqk(at)yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup!
Dear Listers, I've added two new Email Lists to the Matronics List and Forum lineup today. These include the Rans-List and RV12-List. Please surf over to the Matronics List Subscription page and sign up for these new Lists if they are of interest to you: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Full support on the Forums, List Browse, Archives, etc. is available. Rans-List: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rans-List RV12-List http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV12-List Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Smith" <rvator(at)lindonnet.com>
Subject: Need to sell - finish wng or sell as kit?
Date: Apr 05, 2008
Unfortunately, I find myself in the circumstance where I do not have the combination of adequate time and money to finish my RV-9A project in the forseable future. I've finished the tail kit and did the flaps and ailerons, and was just starting on the main spar. Any recommendations on whether to go ahead and finish the wing and then sell it, or just sell it as is? Can I expect to get any more money for finishing it? My suspicion is not, since partial completions seem to go for near "cost-of-kit" prices. Anyway, input would be appreciated. Thanks, Bob - sad RV9 no-longer-builder ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2008
From: "Carl Peters, M.D." <say.ahh1(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Need to sell - finish wng or sell as kit?
Bob - real sorry you have to give this up. I believe it would be better to sell now - as you said, there isn't much monetary gain by completing the wings. You will probably have to slightly undersell Van's to give a reason to buy from you vs them. If you wait until completed, you will have very expensive shipping and thus a more restricted customer base. Best wishes. Carl ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Need to sell - finish wng or sell as kit?
From: "n7hqk" <n7hqk(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 07, 2008
I'm in a similar situation, but I have my wings complete to the point of applying the bottom skin. I've had the kit on the market for several months now and no offers at all at any price! So if I were you I'd not put the labor into it. Good Luck! Ray C. www.kitlog.com/n7hqk -------- Ray D. Congdon - N7HQK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175257#175257 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-9A Kit for sale
From: "n7hqk" <n7hqk(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2008
I won't be able to complete this kit... So it is up for sale. Includes: RV-9A kit minus the finishing kit. Completed to bottom skin on wings and rear lower fuse assy. O-320 Engine with prop gov (No Prop) and other accessories. No Tools. Make a reasonable offer and you can have almost a quick-build in your garage! See it at: www.mykitlog.com/n7hqk e-mail me at: n7hqk(at)yahoo.com -------- Ray D. Congdon - N7HQK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175467#175467 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2008
Subject: Canopy Roll Bar
From: Brice Bowman <brice(at)earshotaudiopost.com>
I am in the process of bolting on the slider canopy roll bar for my 9A. I'm curious how to get access to the bottom side of the aft bolts to put on the spacer, washer and nut. I can barely get my little finger in there, let alone hold the spacer on while I put on the washer and twist the nut on. Any ideas/tricks would be appreciated. Also wondering what folks used for shims under the base of the roll bar to get the roll bar to 90 degrees. My roll bar needs about .080 under the right aft bolt and .040 under the left aft bolt. Are large custom aluminum washers ok here? I don't have the tools to create an aluminum shim that would fit under the entire the roll bar flange (about 4" x 1" - graduated from 0.00 to .080 in thickness). Any thoughts? Thanks in advance, Brice Bowman RV-9A -- Brice Bowman Earshot Audio Post 6311 Westfield Blvd. Indianapolis, IN 46220 P: (317) 803-3727 F: (317) 396-2799 C: (317) 797-7025 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Canopy Roll Bar
Date: Apr 08, 2008
Brice, I used a step-drill and drilled an access hole in the lower flange large enough to get a socket in to hold the nut. I also glued the washer to the nut for positioning until I got it started on the bolt. As far as shimming, I would use AL sheet and cut several pieces different lengths and graduate them by stacking. Bret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brice Bowman" <brice(at)earshotaudiopost.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: RV9-List: Canopy Roll Bar > > I am in the process of bolting on the slider canopy roll bar for my 9A. > I'm > curious how to get access to the bottom side of the aft bolts to put on > the > spacer, washer and nut. I can barely get my little finger in there, let > alone hold the spacer on while I put on the washer and twist the nut on. > Any > ideas/tricks would be appreciated. > > Also wondering what folks used for shims under the base of the roll bar to > get the roll bar to 90 degrees. My roll bar needs about .080 under the > right > aft bolt and .040 under the left aft bolt. Are large custom aluminum > washers > ok here? I don't have the tools to create an aluminum shim that would fit > under the entire the roll bar flange (about 4" x 1" - graduated from 0.00 > to > .080 in thickness). Any thoughts? > > Thanks in advance, > > Brice Bowman > RV-9A > -- > Brice Bowman > Earshot Audio Post > 6311 Westfield Blvd. > Indianapolis, IN 46220 > P: (317) 803-3727 > F: (317) 396-2799 > C: (317) 797-7025 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2008
From: RScott <rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Canopy Roll Bar
I am not as far along as you, so I am not familiar with your exact problem. However, I have had luck by putting a strong magnet on screwdrivers and socket extensions to hold washers and nuts in place. My particular magnets came out of computer hard drives. Richard Scott RV-9A Fuselage Brice Bowman wrote: > > I am in the process of bolting on the slider canopy roll bar for my 9A. I'm > curious how to get access to the bottom side of the aft bolts to put on the > spacer, washer and nut. I can barely get my little finger in there, let > alone hold the spacer on while I put on the washer and twist the nut on. Any > ideas/tricks would be appreciated. > > Also wondering what folks used for shims under the base of the roll bar to > get the roll bar to 90 degrees. My roll bar needs about .080 under the right > aft bolt and .040 under the left aft bolt. Are large custom aluminum washers > ok here? I don't have the tools to create an aluminum shim that would fit > under the entire the roll bar flange (about 4" x 1" - graduated from 0.00 to > .080 in thickness). Any thoughts? > > Thanks in advance, > > Brice Bowman > RV-9A > -- > Brice Bowman > Earshot Audio Post > 6311 Westfield Blvd. > Indianapolis, IN 46220 > P: (317) 803-3727 > F: (317) 396-2799 > C: (317) 797-7025 > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2008
From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: Canopy Roll Bar
Brice, I second what Bret says. I had good results from doing exactly what he describes. Mike Ice almost finished, I can see the runway from here ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb(at)tds.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Canopy Roll Bar > > Brice, > > I used a step-drill and drilled an access hole in the lower flange large > enough to get a socket in to hold the nut. I also glued the washer to the > nut for positioning until I got it started on the bolt. As far as > shimming, I would use AL sheet and cut several pieces different lengths > and graduate them by stacking. > > Bret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brice Bowman" <brice(at)earshotaudiopost.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:39 PM > Subject: RV9-List: Canopy Roll Bar > > >> >> I am in the process of bolting on the slider canopy roll bar for my 9A. >> I'm >> curious how to get access to the bottom side of the aft bolts to put on >> the >> spacer, washer and nut. I can barely get my little finger in there, let >> alone hold the spacer on while I put on the washer and twist the nut on. >> Any >> ideas/tricks would be appreciated. >> >> Also wondering what folks used for shims under the base of the roll bar >> to >> get the roll bar to 90 degrees. My roll bar needs about .080 under the >> right >> aft bolt and .040 under the left aft bolt. Are large custom aluminum >> washers >> ok here? I don't have the tools to create an aluminum shim that would fit >> under the entire the roll bar flange (about 4" x 1" - graduated from 0.00 >> to >> .080 in thickness). Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Brice Bowman >> RV-9A >> -- >> Brice Bowman >> Earshot Audio Post >> 6311 Westfield Blvd. >> Indianapolis, IN 46220 >> P: (317) 803-3727 >> F: (317) 396-2799 >> C: (317) 797-7025 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Castor" <rjcastor(at)knology.net>
Subject: Re: Canopy Roll Bar
Date: Apr 09, 2008
Bruce, This is where your wife or girl friend helps out. Smaller fingers work much better in this particular spot. Plus they get to say they helped. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brice Bowman" <brice(at)earshotaudiopost.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: RV9-List: Canopy Roll Bar > > I am in the process of bolting on the slider canopy roll bar for my 9A. I'm > curious how to get access to the bottom side of the aft bolts to put on the > spacer, washer and nut. I can barely get my little finger in there, let > alone hold the spacer on while I put on the washer and twist the nut on. Any > ideas/tricks would be appreciated. > > Also wondering what folks used for shims under the base of the roll bar to > get the roll bar to 90 degrees. My roll bar needs about .080 under the right > aft bolt and .040 under the left aft bolt. Are large custom aluminum washers > ok here? I don't have the tools to create an aluminum shim that would fit > under the entire the roll bar flange (about 4" x 1" - graduated from 0.00 to > .080 in thickness). Any thoughts? > > Thanks in advance, > > Brice Bowman > RV-9A > -- > Brice Bowman > Earshot Audio Post > 6311 Westfield Blvd. > Indianapolis, IN 46220 > P: (317) 803-3727 > F: (317) 396-2799 > C: (317) 797-7025 > > > -- > Checked by AVG. 04/07/2008 6:38 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2008
From: Harrell Staton <pj260(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: New member
Folks - Just joined the group, thought I would take a little time to introduce myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville, FL. I presently fly a 1952 Piper TriPacer, with a 150HP O-320 (which will eventually power my RV-9!). Since all of my building experience in the past has been in wood and composite, I am a blank page when it comes to working in metal. That is one of the many reasons for settling on an RV. I am going to have to build a suite of tools, and in that vein, would be every interested in hearing from anyone on the list who has surplus or unneeded tools they would be willing to part with. Thanks! Sam Staton pj260(at)bellsouth.net 2552 Chesterbrook Ct. Jacksonville, FL 32224-3849 904-223-9627 (Home) 904-742-3091 (Cell) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: spraylat
From: "RD" <InterceptShrinkfilm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 13, 2008
To store an item for short or long period of time, just wrap it up in Intercept Shrinkfilm or if you want additional padding, ArmorShield Plus Intercept. Intercept doesn't use chemicals to protect against atmospheric corrosive gases, rather it sacrificially removes the gases. Don't use any VCIs, it's hell on polycarbonate. -------- RD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176576#176576 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/armorshield_plus_intercept_description_111.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2008
From: gbrasch(at)earthlink.net
Subject: Re: New member
Stan, Welcome! I fly a 53 Tri-Pacer in my spare time with an underpowered O-290-D2 when I am not flying my EMS helicopter. Feel free to ask for help anytime. Glenn Brasch Tucson, AZ. RV-9A #90623 finishing kit. gbrasch"at"earthlink.net -----Original Message----- >From: Harrell Staton <pj260(at)bellsouth.net> >Sent: Apr 13, 2008 12:51 PM >To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV9-List: New member > > >Folks - > Just joined the group, thought I would take a little time to >introduce myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville, >FL. I presently fly a 1952 Piper TriPacer, with a 150HP O-320 (which >will eventually power my RV-9!). Since all of my building experience >in the past has been in wood and composite, I am a blank page when it >comes to working in metal. That is one of the many reasons for >settling on an RV. I am going to have to build a suite of tools, and >in that vein, would be every interested in hearing from anyone on the >list who has surplus or unneeded tools they would be willing to part >with. Thanks! > >Sam Staton >pj260(at)bellsouth.net >2552 Chesterbrook Ct. >Jacksonville, FL 32224-3849 >904-223-9627 (Home) >904-742-3091 (Cell) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2008
From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: New member
Like Glenn says, "Welcome". You might have a hard time picking up tools off of this or any list because most of us are as crazy about our tools as we are about our airplanes. I look forward to starting a new task which requires me to buy a new "gotta have" tool. Why just last week I bought one of those wire terminal crimpers for telephone jacks just to shorten the cable on the ELT. What a handy device, don't know how I got along with out it. When this plane is finished (does that ever happen) I will have a bunch of tools that will be ready if I ever need them. I have about 1,000 silver cleco's ( built both wings at the same time) and wouldn't consider selling any of them. What will you do with the Pacer? Don't forget to check out the other RV website, http://www.vansairforce.net/ Have fun, the building is a great experience. Mike Ice RV-9 last 5%, flying this summer ----- Original Message ----- From: <gbrasch(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: New member > > Stan, Welcome! I fly a 53 Tri-Pacer in my spare time with an underpowered > O-290-D2 when I am not flying my EMS helicopter. Feel free to ask for > help anytime. > Glenn Brasch > Tucson, AZ. > RV-9A #90623 finishing kit. > gbrasch"at"earthlink.net > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Harrell Staton <pj260(at)bellsouth.net> >>Sent: Apr 13, 2008 12:51 PM >>To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: RV9-List: New member >> >> >>Folks - >> Just joined the group, thought I would take a little time to >>introduce myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville, >>FL. I presently fly a 1952 Piper TriPacer, with a 150HP O-320 (which >>will eventually power my RV-9!). Since all of my building experience >>in the past has been in wood and composite, I am a blank page when it >>comes to working in metal. That is one of the many reasons for >>settling on an RV. I am going to have to build a suite of tools, and >>in that vein, would be every interested in hearing from anyone on the >>list who has surplus or unneeded tools they would be willing to part >>with. Thanks! >> >>Sam Staton >>pj260(at)bellsouth.net >>2552 Chesterbrook Ct. >>Jacksonville, FL 32224-3849 >>904-223-9627 (Home) >>904-742-3091 (Cell) >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: " Peter Laurence" <Dr.Laurence(at)mbdi.org>
Subject: Re: New member
Date: Apr 23, 2008
Sam, Welcome. I'm based at Hollywood-North Perry (HWO) Finishing up my Fuse. I'm a repeat offender. Built an RV6A In 99. There are Seven RVs within a 25 yards of my hangar. I gave a workshop on aluminum corrosion and prevention at Sun N Fun for a few years and will be more than happy to answer any questions. My email plaurence@the-beach.net BTW, across the way a friend just finished restoring a 1954 Tripacer. Folks - > Just joined the group, thought I would take a little time to introduce > myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville, FL. I presently > fly a 1952 Piper TriPacer, with a 150HP O-320 (which will eventually power > my RV-9!). Since all of my building experience in the past has been in > wood and composite, I am a blank page when it comes to working in metal. > That is one of the many reasons for settling on an RV. I am going to have > to build a suite of tools, and in that vein, would be every interested in > hearing from anyone on the list who has surplus or unneeded tools they > would be willing to part with. Thanks! > > Sam Staton > pj260(at)bellsouth.net > 2552 Chesterbrook Ct. > Jacksonville, FL 32224-3849 > 904-223-9627 (Home) > 904-742-3091 (Cell) > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 26, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Four New Email Lists At Matronics!!
Dear Listers, I have added four new Lists to the Matronics line up today. These include the following categories: Citabria-List Citabria, Decathlon, Scout, and Champ Zenith601-List Zenair Zodiac CH 601 Zenith640-List Zenair Zodiac CH 640 Zenith701801-List Zenair STOL CH 701 and CH 801 All services are enabled and now available including Search, Browse, Digest, Archives, Forums, Chat, etc., etc. etc...: Citabria: http://www.matronics.com/navigator?citabria-list Zenith601: http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith601-list Zenith640: http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith640-list Zenith701801: http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith701801-list To subscribe, go to the Matronics Email List Subscription Form: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe To check the new Lists out on the Matronics Forum go here: http://forums.matronics.com Enjoy the new Lists!! Don't forget me during the Fund Raiser! :-) Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: For Sale - Navaid AP-1 Autopilot - New!
Fellow Homebuilders, I have decided to go with a two-axis auto pilot in my RV-4 project and am selling my single-axis Navid AP-1. This is a brand new unit with all of accessories, manual, analog Loran/GPS input, and S-2 servo. It has never been installed. No scratches. Current price from Navaid is $1300 US. I will sell for $1100 plus shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first served. Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested. Below is a picture of the actual unit and included accessories. Matt Dralle List Admin / RV-4 Builder Emacs! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: For Sale - RMI uMonitor - NEW - All Probes and Upgrades!
Dear Listers, I am selling a new, never used, fully assembled RMI uMonitor with all the probes for a 4-cylinder engine including Fuel Flow, 4ea EGT, 4ea CGT, Carb Temp, and Manifold pressure. The uMonitor just had all of the latest hardware and software updates factory installed including the new high contrast LCD display supporting Fahrenheit temp readings AND the new LED fiberoptic backlight. Also included is the Aircraft Extras RM-1B plugin harness extender for the uMonitor which greatly simplifies the wiring installation. The uMonitor is in new condition with no scratches and all installation material and manuals. The pictures below are of the actual unit for sale. The table below lists all of the items included. I have nearly $2800 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $2200 plus shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first served. Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested. Matt Dralle List Admin / RV-4 Builder 1ea - RMI microMONITOR Assembled . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1299.00 $1299.00 1ea - Factory Upgrade of LCD (Fahrenheit Temp Display), . . . . Fiberoptic LED Backlight, Latest Firmware. . . . . .$ 399.00 $ 399.00 1ea - Manifold Pressure Sensor 10.0 to 59.0 InHg. . . . . . $ 68.00 $ 68.00 2ea - EGT/CHT Multiplex Switch 2 to 6 cylinders . . . . . . $ 60.00 $ 120.00 1ea - Fuel Flow sensor, FloScan 201B-6 - .6 to 60.0 GPH. . .$ 230.00 $ 230.00 1ea - Carb Temp Sensor . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 55.00 $ 55.00 4ea - EGT Thermocouple - tubing clamp type . . . . . . . . .$ 65.00 $ 260.00 4ea - CHT Thermocouple - bayonet type. . . . . . . . . . . .$ 50.00 $ 200.00 1ea - RM-1B Harness Expander, Aircraft Extras. . . . . . . .$ 155.00 $ 155.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $2786.00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: For Sale - Skyforce Skymap IIIC - NEW - Latest Database
Dear Listers, I am selling my new-in-box Skyforce Skymap IIIC full color GPS moving map with Topo. The database and firmware were just upgraded 05/2008. Includes a Panel Mounting bracket, GPS Antenna, cigarette lighter adapter, carrying case, and all manuals. Brand new, never used. No scratches. The pictures below are of the actual unit. The LCD color display on the IIIC is extremely nice and very bright. Gives altitude readout. RS232 output. I have over $2500 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $2200 plus shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first served. Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested. Matt Dralle List Admin / RV-4 Builder 1ea - Skyforce Skymap IIIC w/ GPS and Americas Database. . .$2367.00 . .$2367.00 1ea - Panel Mount. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$98.00 . . .$98.00 1ea - Firmware and Database Update 5/8/2008. . . . . . . . . .$50.00 . . .$50.00 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $2515.00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: For Sale - RMI uEncoder - NEW - Assembled
Dear Listers, I am selling a new, never used, fully assembled RMI uEncoder. The uEncoder just had all of the latest hardware and software updates factory installed including the new high contrast LCD display supporting Fahrenheit temp readings AND the new LED fiberoptic backlight. The uEncoder displays airspeed, altitude, fpm, OAT, and outputs Mode C data for most transponders. The uEncoder is in new condition with no scratches and all installation material and manuals. The pictures below are of the actual unit for sale. The table below lists all of the items included. I have nearly $1500 invested in this complete system. I will sell it for $1100 plus shipping to anywhere in the world. I can accept Visa/MC. First come, first served. Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested. Matt Dralle List Admin / RV-4 Builder 1ea - RMI microENCODER ASSEMBLED . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1179.00 . $1179.00 1ea - RMI Factory Upgrade of LCD (Fahrenheit Temp, US Miles), . . . . . . Fiberoptic LED Backlight, Latest Firmware . . . . . $ 315.00 . $ 315.00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1494.00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Settting the correct Spacing (Gap) between VS Top Rib and Rudder
Top Rib Greetings: The construction of my RV8A (RV7 and RV9 are the same) the Rudders Top Rib swings OVER the top Rib of the VS. There is suppose to be a "Gap" between the two Ribs so that there is no interference (rubbing of them together) as the Rudder is moved. My question is - how do you set this Gap up ??? It seems to me that the Rod End Bearings on the Rudder Spar need to be screwed into the Rudder Spar the " Final" distance so that the Gap can be set up properly BEFORE the Rudder Skin is finally riveted to the Rudders Top Rib (R703) which sets this Gap. My understanding the dimensions for screwing the Rod End Bearings as shown on the Drawing 7 is only "approximate" and needs to be fined tuned later = this could change this Gap distance. Or if one marks a center-line on the flange of the Rudders Top Rib and aligns the pre-punched holes in the Rudder Skin directly over the "center of this line", does it Guarantee automatic clearance and a constant Gap distance when the Rod End bearings are set to their "Final" screwed-in distance ?????? The Orndorff Tapes show the Rod End bearings installed in the Rudder Spar (no Rod End Bearing dimensions given) and mounted to the VS and the Gap set by bending Up the Rudders Top Rib (R703) to parallel the VS Top Rib. Maybe I am missing something. So what worked for you - set the Rod End Bearings "approx" or align the pre-punched holes in the Rudder Skin directly over the marked center-line on the Rudders Top Rib flange and THEN rivet the Rudder Skin ???? Once the Rudder Skin is riveted to the Rudders Top Rib, the Rudders Top Rib is fixed and can NOT be readjusted to get the "correct Gap" later. Appreciate your help, Garey Wittich Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2008
From: Brian Huffaker <bifft(at)xmission.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Settting the correct Spacing (Gap) between VS
Top Rib and Rudder Top Rib On Fri, 9 May 2008, Garey Wittich wrote: > --> RV8-List message posted by: Garey Wittich > > Greetings: > > The construction of my RV8A (RV7 and RV9 are the > same) the Rudders Top Rib swings OVER the top Rib of > the VS. There is suppose to be a "Gap" between the > two Ribs so that there is no interference (rubbing of > them together) as the Rudder is moved. > > My question is - how do you set this Gap up ??? On mine, I had to file the top of the VS down a bit to get the needed gap. Given the pre-punched holes, there isn't a lot you can play with, other than changing how far the rod ends are screwed in, move the top ones a bit further out than the bottom (keeping them in line of course). Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com) RV-8A 80091 riviting fuse. 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2008
From: Gregory Richardson <rv9flyer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Settting the correct Spacing (Gap) between VS Top Rib and
Rudder Top Rib Greetings: The construction of my RV8A (RV7 and RV9 are the same) the Rudders Top Rib swings OVER the top Rib of the VS. There is suppose to be a "Gap" between the two Ribs so that there is no interference (rubbing of them together) as the Rudder is moved. My question is - how do you set this Gap up ??? Garey, It has been a while since I constructed my VS and Rudder, but as I recall I did nothing special. I think I was probably young and dumb into the project, and just trusted that all would turn out ok. I built both pieces independant of the other, and fitted them together at the very end. I ended up with acceptable spacing, but did find that the bearing distance from the rear VS spar is critical if you want to prevent binding. This also sets the angle between the VS and the rudder, and thus the spacing for the overhang. When I do the final assembly vs the test fit, I may have to do some filing, but so far I remember having equal spacing between the two. Good luck!!! Greg Richardson RV9A fuse ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2008
From: Gregory Richardson <rv9flyer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Settting the correct Spacing (Gap) between VS Top Rib and
Rudder Top Rib Garey Wittich wrote: The Orndorff Tapes show the Rod End bearings installed in the Rudder Spar (no Rod End Bearing dimensions given) and mounted to the VS and the Gap set by bending Up the Rudders Top Rib (R703) to parallel the VS Top Rib. Maybe I am missing something. So what worked for you - set the Rod End Bearings "approx" or align the pre-punched holes in the Rudder Skin directly over the marked center-line on the Rudders Top Rib flange and THEN rivet the Rudder Skin ???? Once the Rudder Skin is riveted to the Rudders Top Rib, the Rudders Top Rib is fixed and can NOT be readjusted to get the "correct Gap" later. Appreciate your help, Garey Wittich Garey, I just re read your post, and saw the second part of the question there. That set me to looking, and I found out what you are saying. I was able to locate, from my print 6pp, that the distance from spar to spar, measured at the top of the rudder just below the counterbalance, is supposed to be 2". At the root, which I took to be the bottom of the rudder, the spar to spar distance should be set at 2 1/2". On the 9A, the pre-set bearing distances are not in the instructions, or on the prints either. I realized that I purchased my $50 set of prepurchase full prints and instructions at about that time, and was delving through them. Yours may be different, but if you read ahead to where the empenage is mounted to the fuselage, on my page 8-15 and 8-16, it states: "Thread the rod end bearings and jam nuts into the rudder spar. Measure from the center of the pivot bolt hole, to the forward face of the rudder spar. As a starting point, you may use these measurements: Top 0.80" Middle 0.990456789" (author states, and is why I remembered seeing it) OK get sloppy and call it 1.0" Bottom 1.00" (to face of spar doubler). Adjust these measurements as neccessary to make the rudder swing without binding." I think when I used those measurements, I ended up adjusting the center bearing by 1/2 turn to prevent binding. Hope this helps you. Good luck, Greg Richardson RV9A (fuselage) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Emp Kit + Tools + Primer + Preview plans
+ RV9 Orndorff construction videos
Date: May 14, 2008
From: "Brandon Rigio" <brandon.rigio(at)kodak.com>
After a year and a half and much deliberation I am ready to admit that I started this project at the wrong time of my life and need to focus my attention on other things. I am putting my unassembled RV9 Empennage (VS spar match drilled) with electric trim option and everything needed to complete the kit up for sale. This includes all the hand tools needed (itemized list for available for anyone interested), Sherwin Williams E2G973 primer and reducer, preview plans if wanted, and the construction videos. This is everything needed to start assembling your RV9/9A right away. Not a single rivet pounded on this kit. I know how much I have invested in this kit and getting geared up to assemble it but I also recognize that I would be being helped out by the person willing to purchase it from me; so at this point I would like to leave it open to offers. Thank you, Brandon Rigio ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2008
From: RScott <rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com>
Subject: Re: FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Emp Kit + Tools + Primer + Preview
plans + RV9 Orndorff construction videos It would be helpful if folks advertising big things for sale would indicate what part of the country they are in. Brandon Rigio wrote: > After a year and a half and much deliberation I am ready to admit that I started this project at the wrong time of my life and need to focus my attention on other things. > > I am putting my unassembled RV9 Empennage (VS spar match drilled) with electric trim option and everything needed to complete the kit up for sale. This includes all the hand tools needed (itemized list for available for anyone interested), Sherwin Williams E2G973 primer and reducer, preview plans if wanted, and the construction videos. > > This is everything needed to start assembling your RV9/9A right away. Not a single rivet pounded on this kit. > > I know how much I have invested in this kit and getting geared up to assemble it but I also recognize that I would be being helped out by the person willing to purchase it from me; so at this point I would like to leave it open to offers. > > Thank you, > Brandon Rigio > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Emp Kit + Tools + Primer + Preview plans
+ RV9 Orndorff Videos in Vancouver, BC
Date: May 14, 2008
From: "Brandon Rigio" <brandon.rigio(at)kodak.com>
After a year and a half and much deliberation I am ready to admit that I started this project at the wrong time of my life and need to focus my attention on other things. I am putting my unassembled RV9 Empennage (VS spar match drilled) with electric trim option and everything needed to complete the kit up for sale. This includes all the hand tools needed (itemized list for available for anyone interested), Sherwin Williams E2G973 primer and reducer, preview plans if wanted, and the construction videos. This is everything needed to start assembling your RV9/9A right away. Not a single rivet pounded on this kit. I know how much I have invested in this kit and getting geared up to assemble it but I also recognize that I would be being helped out by the person willing to purchase it from me; so at this point I would like to leave it open to offers. The Kit is located in the Vancouver British Columbia area. Thank you, Brandon Rigio ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2008
From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Emp Kit + Tools + Primer + Preview
plans + RV9 Orndorff Videos in Vancouver, BC RV9-List: FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Emp Kit + Tools + Primer + Preview plans + RV9 Orndorff Videos in Vancouver, BCBrandon, Sounds interesting. How much for everything? How much for just the empenage kit & parts? How much for the tools? Will there be GST and export/import fees added to this? Mike Ice Anchorage, Alaska ----- Original Message ----- From: Brandon Rigio To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: RV9-List: FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Emp Kit + Tools + Primer + Preview plans + RV9 Orndorff Videos in Vancouver, BC After a year and a half and much deliberation I am ready to admit that I started this project at the wrong time of my life and need to focus my attention on other things. I am putting my unassembled RV9 Empennage (VS spar match drilled) with electric trim option and everything needed to complete the kit up for sale. This includes all the hand tools needed (itemized list for available for anyone interested), Sherwin Williams E2G973 primer and reducer, preview plans if wanted, and the construction videos. This is everything needed to start assembling your RV9/9A right away. Not a single rivet pounded on this kit. I know how much I have invested in this kit and getting geared up to assemble it but I also recognize that I would be being helped out by the person willing to purchase it from me; so at this point I would like to leave it open to offers. The Kit is located in the Vancouver British Columbia area. Thank you, Brandon Rigio ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Emp Kit + Tools + Primer + Preview
plans + RV9 Orndorff Videos in Vancouver, BC
Date: May 15, 2008
From: "Brandon Rigio" <brandon.rigio(at)kodak.com>
Since I have everything required to assemble the kit I would like to try and sell everything together. If I can't sell everything together I will consider splitting it up. I have $3500 Cdn invested in everything. I will take any reasonable offer. I am pretty sure there is no duty because the kit was manufactured in the US and it is now used so there is no gst, although I don't think you ever pay gst on items being exported from Canada. You may have to pay a state tax for the state you are bringing it into. Thx, Brandon. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Michael T. Ice Sent: Thu 5/15/2008 6:49 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Emp Kit + Tools + Primer + Preview plans + RV9 Orndorff Videos in Vancouver, BC RV9-List: FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Emp Kit + Tools + Primer + Preview plans + RV9 Orndorff Videos in Vancouver, BCBrandon, Sounds interesting. How much for everything? How much for just the empenage kit & parts? How much for the tools? Will there be GST and export/import fees added to this? Mike Ice Anchorage, Alaska ----- Original Message ----- From: Brandon Rigio To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: RV9-List: FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Emp Kit + Tools + Primer + Preview plans + RV9 Orndorff Videos in Vancouver, BC After a year and a half and much deliberation I am ready to admit that I started this project at the wrong time of my life and need to focus my attention on other things. I am putting my unassembled RV9 Empennage (VS spar match drilled) with electric trim option and everything needed to complete the kit up for sale. This includes all the hand tools needed (itemized list for available for anyone interested), Sherwin Williams E2G973 primer and reducer, preview plans if wanted, and the construction videos. This is everything needed to start assembling your RV9/9A right away. Not a single rivet pounded on this kit. I know how much I have invested in this kit and getting geared up to assemble it but I also recognize that I would be being helped out by the person willing to purchase it from me; so at this point I would like to leave it open to offers. The Kit is located in the Vancouver British Columbia area. Thank you, Brandon Rigio ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2008
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Bending Trailing Edge of a "One" Piece Rudder Skin
Greetings: A note that might help you. With the 1/8" dowel rod taped to the inside of the trailing edge of the Rudder Skin, I placed a towel inside the Skin covering the Skin Stiffeners. Using Vans recommended wood bending brake I was able to bend the Skin so it just touched the Rudder's Spar. It took about 9 compressions of the Skin to accomplish this - each time it got closer to touching the Spar. During the bending of the Skin the Stiffeners did NOT do any damage to the Skin because of the towel - even though they came in contact with the Skin during the last 2 or 3 compressions. The Skin came out flat until the last 1/8" (as desired) of the trailing edge near the bottom and top Ribs and the worst was 3/8" along the trailing edge. To get the desired 1/8" radius, I took my Hand Seamer (about 2" wide) and put 6 layers of masking tape on each jaw surface for padding - so as not to dent the Skin. Placed the Hand Seamer's rear edge about 1/2" from the trailing edge and gave a gentle squeeze (a few times as required) where the radius needed to be better - making sure the Squeezer was applying EQUAL pressure on both sides of the Skin. This worked well - no dented Skin. The Wooden Brake I made was made out of a straight (in length) 2" X 8" that had been sawed in half to make 2, 2" X 4"s. The bending surfaces were "plained" with a carpenters adjustable electrical plainer to make them absolutely "smooth" and covered with Duct Tape. Hope this helps someone, Garey (Santa Monica, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Dynon Autopilot
Date: Jun 02, 2008
Been reading about the Nynon Autopilot and am quite intrigued that the EFIS contains the necessary ooph to control dual axis servos. A FAQ is if the separate AP Module is required with any Dynon EFIS. Answer: No. The Module allows for additional capbility; preselect mode or altitude. Did anyone attending S&F visit the Dynon booth? John Kerr RV9 130hrs KLGU
Been reading about the Nynon Autopilot and am quite intrigued that the EFIS contains the necessary ooph to control dual axis servos. A FAQ is if the separate AP Module is required with any Dynon EFIS. Answer: No. The Module allows for additional capbility; preselect mode or altitude.

Did anyone attending S&F visit the Dynon booth?

John Kerr

RV9 130hrs

KLGU

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: Dynon Autopilot
Date: Jun 02, 2008
John, I have been talking to Dynon at length about the autopilot installation. Your understanding of how the system works is correct. In fact, the AP can be driven by both the D10A and the D100/D180 EFIS systems with or without the AP74 or AP76 expansion modules. It is the type of system one can grow into, in that you can install their EFIS and add a servo (roll or pitch), then come back and add the 2nd servo when you are ready. The autopilot head (AP74 or AP76) can also be added at any time. The AP74 and AP76 have some nice features but are not required for basic AP functionality. Check the Dynon web site for details (http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/news_announcing_autopilot.html). If you are thinking about installing an autopilot, it can be done after you are flying but like everything else, it is much easier to do while you are under construction. Thus I HIGHLY recommend you install the wires (three 22 AWG and two 18 AWG wires for each servo) and brackets during initial construction. Neither the brackets or the wire weigh much and it won't hurt to install them during your build. If you are already flying, the installation isn't any more difficult than installing any other autopilot. Bill RV-9 150hrs 28A From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: RV9-List: Dynon Autopilot Been reading about the Nynon Autopilot and am quite intrigued that the EFIS contains the necessary ooph to control dual axis servos. A FAQ is if the separate AP Module is required with any Dynon EFIS. Answer: No. The Module allows for additional capbility; preselect mode or altitude. Did anyone attending S&F visit the Dynon booth? John Kerr RV9 130hrs KLGU ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Dynon Autopilot
Date: Jun 03, 2008
Is the firmware currently in D10/D10A for A/P function? Do they have the operator/installation manual available? John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> John, I have been talking to Dynon at length about the autopilot installation. Your understanding of how the system works is correct. In fact, the AP can be driven by both the D10A and the D100/D180 EFIS systems with or without the AP74 or AP76 expansion modules. It is the type of system one can grow into, in that you can install their EFIS and add a servo (roll or pitch), then come back and add the 2nd servo when you are ready. The autopilot head (AP74 or AP76) can also be added at any time. The AP74 and AP76 have some nice features but are not required for basic AP functionality. Check the Dynon web site for details (http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/news_announcing_autopilot.html). If you are thinking about installing an autopilot, it can be done after you are flying but like everything else, it is much easier to do while you are under construction. Thus I HIGHLY recommend you install the wires (three 22 AWG and two 18 AWG wires for each servo) and brackets during initial construction. Neither the brackets or the wire weigh much and it wont hurt to install them during your build. If you are already flying, the installation isnt any more difficult than installing any other autopilot. Bill RV-9 150hrs 28A From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: RV9-List: Dynon Autopilot Been reading about the Nynon Autopilot and am quite intrigued that the EFIS contains the necessary ooph to control dual axis servos. A FAQ is if the separate AP Module is required with any Dynon EFIS. Answer: No. The Module allows for additional capbility; preselect mode or altitude. Did anyone attending S&F visit the Dynon booth? John Kerr RV9 130hrs KLGU http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Is the firmware currently in D10/D10A for A/P function? Do they have the operator/installation manual available?

John

John,

I have been talking to Dynon at length about the autopilot installation. Your understanding of how the system works is correct. In fact, the AP can be driven by both the D10A and the D100/D180 EFIS systems with or without the AP74 or AP76 expansion modules.

It is the type of system one can grow into, in that you can install their EFIS and add a servo (roll or pitch), then come back and add the 2^nd servo when you are ready. The autopilot head (AP74 or AP76) can also be added at any time. The AP74 and AP76 have some nice features but are not required for basic AP functionality. Check the Dynon web site for details (http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/news_announcing_autopilot.html).

If you are thinking about installing an autopilot, it can be done after you are flying but like everything else, it is much easier to do while you are under construction. Thus I HIGHLY recommend you install the wires (three 22 AWG and two 18 AWG wires for each servo) and brackets during initial construction. Neither the brackets or the wire weigh much and it wont hurt to install them during your build. If you are already flying, the installation isnt any more difficult than installing any other autopilot.

Bill

RV-9 150hrs

28A

From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:39 PM
To: rv9- list
Subject: RV9-List: Dynon Autopilot

Been reading about the Nynon Autopilot and am quite intrigued that the EFIS contains the necessary ooph to control dual axis servos. A FAQ is if the separate AP Module is required with any Dynon EFIS. Answer: No. The Module allows for additional capbility; preselect mode or altitude.

Did anyone attending S&F visit the Dynon booth?

John Kerr

RV9 130hrs

KLGU

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List
http://forums.matronics.com

http://www.matronics.com/contribution

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: Dynon Autopilot
Date: Jun 03, 2008
John, No, the firmware is not out yet. They hope to release it to the Beta Testers soon. As for the manuals, that is something the Beta Testers are currently reviewing as well. I don't have a clue as to when they are going to release this stuff to the general public but I suspect it will be within a month or two. Give Dynon a call and ask. Better yet, check their support forum, available on their web page. Bill From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: Dynon Autopilot Is the firmware currently in D10/D10A for A/P function? Do they have the operator/installation manual available? John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> John, I have been talking to Dynon at length about the autopilot installation. Your understanding of how the system works is correct. In fact, the AP can be driven by both the D10A and the D100/D180 EFIS systems with or without the AP74 or AP76 expansion modules. It is the type of system one can grow into, in that you can install their EFIS and add a servo (roll or pitch), then come back and add the 2nd servo when you are ready. The autopilot head (AP74 or AP76) can also be added at any time. The AP74 and AP76 have some nice features but are not required for basic AP functionality. Check the Dynon web site for details (http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/news_announcing_autopilot.html). If you are thinking about installing an autopilot, it can be done after you are flying but like everything else, it is much easier to do while you are under construction. Thus I HIGHLY recommend you install the wires (three 22 AWG and two 18 AWG wires for each servo) and brackets during initial construction. Neither the brackets or the wire weigh much and it won't hurt to install them during your build. If you are already flying, the installation isn't any more difficult than installing any other autopilot. Bill RV-9 150hrs 28A From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: RV9-List: Dynon Autopilot Been reading about the Nynon Autopilot and am quite intrigued that the EFIS contains the necessary ooph to control dual axis servos. A FAQ is if the separate AP Module is required with any Dynon EFIS. Answer: No. The Module allows for additional capbility; preselect mode or altitude. Did anyone attending S&F visit the Dynon booth? John Kerr RV9 130hrs KLGU http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Dynon Autopilot
Date: Jun 03, 2008
Good idea, thanks. Let me know if you learn anything more in case I miss it. J -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> John, No, the firmware is not out yet. They hope to release it to the Beta Testers soon. As for the manuals, that is something the Beta Testers are currently reviewing as well. I dont have a clue as to when they are going to release this stuff to the general public but I suspect it will be within a month or two. Give Dynon a call and ask. Better yet, check their support forum, available on their web page. Bill From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: Dynon Autopilot Is the firmware currently in D10/D10A for A/P function? Do they have the operator/installation manual available? John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> John, I have been talking to Dynon at length about the autopilot installation. Your understanding of how the system works is correct. In fact, the AP can be driven by both the D10A and the D100/D180 EFIS systems with or without the AP74 or AP76 expansion modules. It is the type of system one can grow into, in that you can install their EFIS and add a servo (roll or pitch), then come back and add the 2nd servo when you are ready. The autopilot head (AP74 or AP76) can also be added at any time. The AP74 and AP76 have some nice features but are not required for basic AP functionality. Check the Dynon web site for details (http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/news_announcing_autopilot.html). If you are thinking about installing an autopilot, it can be done after you are flying but like everything else, it is much easier to do while you are under construction. Thus I HIGHLY recommend you install the wires (three 22 AWG and two 18 AWG wires for each servo) and brackets during initial construction. Neither the brackets or the wire weigh much and it wont hurt to install them during your build. If you are already flying, the installation isnt any more difficult than installing any other autopilot. Bill RV-9 150hrs 28A From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: RV9-List: Dynon Autopilot Been reading about the Nynon Autopilot and am quite intrigued that the EFIS contains the necessary ooph to control dual axis servos. A FAQ is if the separate AP Module is required with any Dynon EFIS. Answer: No. The Module allows for additional capbility; preselect mode or altitude. Did anyone attending S&F visit the Dynon booth? John Kerr RV9 130hrs KLGU http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Good idea, thanks. Let me know if you learn anything more in case I miss it.

J

John,

No, the firmware is not out yet. They hope to release it to the Beta Testers soon.

As for the manuals, that is something the Beta Testers are currently reviewing as well.

I dont have a clue as to when they are going to release this stuff to the general public but I suspect it will be within a month or two. Give Dynon a call and ask. Better yet, check their support forum, available on their web page.

Bill

From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:47 PM
To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV9-List: Dynon Autopilot

Is the firmware currently in D10/D10A for A/P function? Do they have the operator/installation manual available?

John

<P class=MsoNormal>-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>

John,

I have been talking to Dynon at length about the autopilot installation. Your understanding of how the system works is correct. In fact, the AP can be driven by both the D10A and the D100/D180 EFIS systems with or without the AP74 or AP76 expansion modules.

It is the type of system one can grow into, in that you can install their EFIS and add a servo (roll or pitch), then come back and add the 2^nd servo when you are ready. The autopilot head (AP74 or AP76) can also be added at any time. The AP74 and AP76 have some nice features but are not required for basic AP functionality. Check the Dynon web site for details (http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/news_announcing_autopilot.html).

If you are thinking about installing an autopilot, it can be done after you are flying but like everything else, it is much easier to do while you are under construction. Thus I HIGHLY recommend you install the wires (three 22 AWG and two 18 AWG wires for each servo) and brackets during initial construction. Neither the brackets or the wire weigh much and it wont hurt to install them during your build. If you are already flying, the installation isnt any more difficult than installing any other autopilot.

Bill

RV-9 150hrs

28A

From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:39 PM
To: rv9- list
Subject: RV9-List: Dynon Autopilot

Been reading about the Nynon Autopilot and am quite intrigued that the EFIS contains the necessary ooph to control dual axis servos. A FAQ is if the separate AP Module is required with any Dynon EFIS. Answer: No. The Module allows for additional capbility; preselect mode or altitude.

Did anyone attending S&F visit the Dynon booth?

John Kerr

RV9 130hrs

KLGU

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From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
Subject: June 21st - EAA Multi-Chapter Fly-In at Lancaster, SC (LKR)
Date: Jun 04, 2008
Just a reminder. On June 21st there will be a breakfast and lunch fly-in at Lancaster, SC (LKR) airport hosted by the EAA chapters from Salisbury, NC, Rock Hill, SC, Columbia, SC, Hickory, NC, and Charlotte, NC. For those of you who wish to fly in on Friday night and campout, you are more than welcome to do so. However, showers will not be available. There will be no awards, vendors, fees (other than meals), or controllers to deal with. However, there will be plenty of airplanes to see and fellow wing nuts to talk with. Please pass this along to anyone who might be interested, including your EAA chapter. Regards, Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Marty Santic" <marty.santic(at)gmail.com>
Subject: FS: RV-9A Empennage Kit (Davenport, IA)
Date: Jun 14, 2008
FOR Sale: I would like to sell my RV-9A empennage kit. 1 - RV-9A Empennage Kit (+ including electric trim) Davenport, IA I have looked up my invoices and I paid $1298 for the empennage kit and $200 for the electric trim kit. Total $1498. Also paid a $50 shipping charge. The current price of the empennage kit via the Van's site is $1600, the current price of the electric trim kit is $305. Total $1905. Asking price, provided I can deliver it to you is 70% of what I paid for the kits, this works out to 55% of the current price Van's is charging. I would like to sell this kit locally as I can deliver it. The above includes a second rudder skin as the first had a nick at the very top. Nothing has been riveted. The skins have been dimpled and the spar has been countersunk. Reason for selling: The RV-9A project was purchased by me and my brother, who has passed. I have decided, and have purchased the RV-12 wing kit and intend to complete the RV-12 as opposed to the RV-9A. If you have any questions, please call me at 563-344-0146 or e-mail me at marty.santic at gmail.com . ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Project Almost Done - Cleaning House...
Date: Sep 04, 2008
From: "Don Honabach" <don(at)pcperfect.com>
After over 10 years I'm almost done with my Zodiac 601HDS project (yes, HDS) and I'm cleaning out/selling off the extras to make a little peace in the family... I've put up 2 Electric Gyros Indicators on eBay if anyone is interested: RCA15AK-1 14V Electric Directional Gyro (Lighted) http://tinyurl.com/6n66vm RCA26AK-1 14V Electric Attitude Indicator Gyro (Lighted) http://tinyurl.com/5nnfuu Both are brand new, have zero hours and were bought at R.C. Allen Booth at Oshkosh. Don Honabach Tempe, AZ 601HDS ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2008
From: =?iso-8859-1?b?Sm/jbw==?= Carlos Martins de Medeiros <jc(at)INFONET.COM.BR>
Subject: RCA26AK-1 14V Electric Attitude Indicator Gyro (Lighted)
Hello Don I wanna an Attitude Indicator Gyro. Ive tried to put an bid in E Bay web site, but there are some restrictions for foreign address. My idea is sending the unit to my friends house in the USA, Mississipi. In my RV-9A, PU-IJC panel there is no second attitude indicator. -- JC - Aracaju - Brasil RV-9A -> PU-IJC http://websites.expercraft.com/jcmm/ Rastreador: http://share.findmespot.com/shared/gogl.jsp?glId=0caJZZdvOpPAKEzAqmoWpQhazVYVuIBLe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2008
From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker(at)optonline.net>
Subject: Nosewheel Breakout Force
I am installing my nosewheel (RV9A) and attempting to set the breakout force as specified in the construction manual. It seems that to get to the 14 ft-lbs (22 lbs side force) I have to crank the nut down so the two belleville washers are totally compressed! Is this correct? Second, the instructions say to temporarily safety the nut and move the fork back and forth to the stops. How are you supposed to safety the nut?? Is the fork leg supposed to be already drilled for a cotter pin? I have a reworked leg and it isn't. Thanks for your advice! Dick Tasker -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, however, that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily inconvenienced. -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tod Watkins _ ACInc." <twatkins(at)bendcable.com>
Subject: Nosewheel Breakout Force
Date: Sep 13, 2008
Yes you want to crank the nut until you have the 22 lbs side force other wise you can wind up with some wobble especially if your tire is not perfectly in balance. No I had to drill mine but I have a castle nut and cotter pin not safety wire.. so if your says to safety wire it maybe something different then mine.. good luck.. N359HW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard E. Tasker Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: RV9-List: Nosewheel Breakout Force I am installing my nosewheel (RV9A) and attempting to set the breakout force as specified in the construction manual. It seems that to get to the 14 ft-lbs (22 lbs side force) I have to crank the nut down so the two belleville washers are totally compressed! Is this correct? Second, the instructions say to temporarily safety the nut and move the fork back and forth to the stops. How are you supposed to safety the nut?? Is the fork leg supposed to be already drilled for a cotter pin? I have a reworked leg and it isn't. Thanks for your advice! Dick Tasker -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, however, that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily inconvenienced. -- E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.383) Database version: 5.10691 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.383) Database version: 5.10691 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 04, 2008
From: Harrell Staton <pj260(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Need a prop
Folks - This is probably a little off topic, but I am in need of a Sensenich M74DM-60 or 61 prop for my Tri-Pacer. In the course of the current annual, my IA has determined that I have the wrong prop on my airplane for the STC that placed the O-320 40 years ago. I have an M76-57, so, according to the STC, my airplane is no longer airworthy until I have the correct prop. I will consider any condition (as long as it is airworthy), and, if you're within one day's driving distance of Jacksonville, FL, I can come get it. In order to conserve bandwidth on the mailing list, you can contact me off-list at pj260(at)bellsouth.net or 904-223-9627. Thanks! Sam Staton ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 06, 2008
Subject: RV9 : [ Terry McMillan ] : New Email List PhotoShare Available!
From: Email List PhotoShares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
(Listers - Sorry for the delay in processing this Photoshare; all of the incoming Photoshares where getting caught by my email client's spam filter. I wondered why nobody had posted a Photoshare in a long while... I've fixed the filter and Photoshares should be processed in a normal period of time now. -Matt) A new Email List PhotoShare is available: Poster: Terry McMillan Lists: AeroElectric-list,RV-List,RV7-List,RV8-List,RV10-List,RV9-List Subject: Dual Battery System http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/terryml5c2p6@sympatico.ca.10.06.2008 ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main PhotoShare Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a PhotoShare If you wish to submit a PhotoShare of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "e.ap" <e.ap(at)beyondbb.com>
Subject: RV-9A
Date: Oct 06, 2008
For Sale: (1) Empennage Kit- new; the HS has been prepared and ready for riveting. No rivets installed. Balance of kit in factory new condition. (2) Plans- new; worked from copies. (3) Electric Elevator Trim- new; still in unopened box. (4) Avery Tool Kit (650-piece, based on tools needed for RV construction)- new; most items hardly used, and others never used. Ernie ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2008
From: dralle(at)matronics.com
Subject: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November!
Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through soley through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments. During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the bills associated with running these lists. Your personal Contribution counts. Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates. This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/). These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support of the Lists again this year!! You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount!! To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below: https://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really do feel like family. Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Contribution Site URL Clarification
Dear Listers, In my List Fund Raiser kickoff email last night, I mistyped the URL for the *initial* Contribution web site and couple of people reported receiving SSL certificate errors. The actual payment entry pages where were correct, however, so there were no certificate issues that impacted payment data. I'm sorry for the confusion. Please use the following URL to start your List Contribution: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...
Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution too! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-) I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites. If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 06, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Reminder
Dear Listers, Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for my your Contributions during this time of the year. Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution
Today! Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
Dear Listers, There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums. The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November Fund Raiser. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution too! You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or, you can send a personal check to the following address: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore, CA 94551-0347 Thank you in advance for your generous support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%...
As of the 13th, the Fund Raiser is currently about 30% behind last year in terms of the number of Contributions. Yet, oddly the number of messages posted per day is up by 10 to 20% on the average. It costs real money to run these Lists and they are supported 100% though your Contributions during the Fund Raiser. Won't you please take a minute right now to make your Contribution to keep these Lists up and running? Contribution Page: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's My Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers, Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for 19+ years worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, Wiki and PhotoShare. But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the best investments you can make in your Sport... List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Members Are Saying...
Dear Listers, November is the Annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists are supported solely through your generous Contributions during this time. Please make your Contribution today and pick up a really nice free gift at this same time: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Listers have been including some really nice comments regarding what the Lists mean to them along with their Contributions this year. I've included a few of them below. Please read them over and see if some perhaps echo your feelings as well. Thank you for your support this year! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Best bargain in the entire industry!! -Owen B Every year your lists are better, sure #1 in e-mail list in the world. -Gary G Thank you for an awesome site! -Ashley M Your lists are important to me and well worth paying for. -Calvin A Thank you for providing such and informative and ad free environment to learn by. -Myron H As always, a valuable and extremely useful resource. Stephen T As always, a great service. -Reade G Very much appreciate this site and the communications it has enabled between builders. -Larry M This service is worth every penny. -Robert S Great site! Thanks a ton for its functionality! -Peter B The RV-10 list feels like my community. -Dave S The lists are fantastic, a great source! -Jimmy Y I've learned a lot from the List. -Gabriel F A wonderful resource. -Gerald G Well done. -Richard N Years of good service. -William M Valuable service. -Keith H The site is quite helpful. -Jon M Very interesting List that I read form the beginning. -Alain L A well managed site. -Carl B Great service. -Svein Kare J Still the most useful program on the computer. -Fergus K Great contribution to my project! -Robert K Thanks for keeping a great list. -Dt G The List continues to provide excellent information. -Tony C This is a wonderful resource that has easily saved me a bunch on my build-time. -Ralph C Thank you for providing a great service. The Zenith builder's community would be in sad shape without the Zenith-List's. -Terrence P I really do get pleasure out of reading the List every day. -Bill V Great source of information. -Arthur V Thanks for a great service. Very enjoyable. -Louis B You know we all could not do without your support!! -James S Great resource! -Douglas D Thanks for the great service. -John B ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...?
Dear Listers, The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is currently lagging behind last year by approximately 21%! I'm hoping that everyone is just waiting until the last minute to show their support... ;-) Please remember that it is solely your direct Contributions that keep these Lists up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding advertisements to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really* don't want to have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too. Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free operation of all these Lists: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Plexiglass Scratch Repair...
Dear Listers, During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed to put some pretty disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. You can see from the pictures that they looked pretty bad. A call to Van's revealed that a replacement canopy would be $640 + $250 shipping to California! Ack. So what to do... A bit of surfing and I found this "Scratch Off" windshield repair kit for $35 on the Aircraft Spruce web site: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/scratchoff.php Frankly, it just seemed too good to be true. Nothing for $35 could be that "magic" I thought, but what did I have to lose at this point.... Well, the kit arrived yesterday and I decided to give it a try tonight. In a word: WOW! In about 2 hours the windscreen looked as good as new - no kidding - AS GOOD AS NEW! The pictures really don't do the repair justice. It looks better in person. There are basically two sponges in the kit with four decreasingly porous pastes. You just put some of the first paste on the sponge and buff it in with a drill at 1200 RPM or less. Then you wash everything down good including the sponge and windshield with warm water. Then you use the next finer paste and repeat the process. Etc, etc, until you've used the 4th paste that is kind of like car wax. Frankly, the scratches were gone after the first application of paste - I started at #2 based on the instructions and the "observed severity" of the scratch depth. So, the bottom line is, if you've got scuffs or mild scratches in your Plexiglass buy this repair kit. It works! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Digital Panel (was: Plexiglass Scratch Repair...)
At 09:12 AM 11/21/2008 Friday, you wrote: > > > In one of the photos I see a sneak peek at your proposed panel. >Looks action packed! >Robin Lots of digital goodies in the new panel. Here's a pic of the proposed panel. The new HX displays from GRT are awesome, by the way. Also, the Vertical Power VP-200 is a pretty amazing device. I would recommend taking a look. Greatly simplifies the electrical system. Matt ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: LOC
Dear Listers, Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by popping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics Email Lists c/o Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Value of the List...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or even just a single dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the Lists? Contribution Page: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days...
Dear Listers, There are just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. There are some great gifts available when you make a qualifying Contribution and there's plenty still available. Don't forget that its *your* Contribution that keeps the computers running, the electricity turned on, and the computer room AC cooling! If you look forward to reading your List email each day, won't you please take a minute right now to make your personal Contribution? Credit Card or Paypal: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Personal Check: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution Today!
There are only three days left until the end of this year's List Fund Raiser. Please take a minute to show your support as so many others have this year and make sure YOUR name is on the forthcoming List of Contributors 2008!

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