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Date: Nov 29, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Listers Have Been Saying
Wow! Many of the members making a List Support Contribution this year have been using the Comments field to leave a personal message about the Lists. Thank you! I have included a number of them below. Please read over a few and see if you perhaps can echo some of the same sentiments regarding the value of the Lists to you... There is only a couple more days left for this year's List Fund Raiser and we're still way behind previous years. If you've been waiting until the last minute to show your support, Now is the Time! Please make your Contribution and pick up a great gift at the same time! By Credit Card or Paypal: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or By Personal Check: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore, CA 94550-7227 Thank you in advance!! Matt Dralle Email List and Forums Administrator Here is some of the great feedback members have been including along with their personal Contributions this year... Over the years, the info I have received from the RV-List has saved me thousands of dollars, and dozens of hours of time by helping me avoid bad purchases, pointing me at vendors with low prices and excellent support, and providing solutions to the typical head scratchers that you run into. Kevin H Valuable service. Best List(s) on the Internet! George A Please accept this token not as an indicator of what this list has been worth to me this past year. Lew G Great information and entertainment. Tim V Thanks again for another great year of service. This project would be beyond me if it were not for the list. Moreover, the friendships I have found are worth their weight in GOLD! Robert B Great support you provide to all the subscribers! Freddie H Read it every day. PF B Thanks for your excellent management of the Matronics Lists! Your services are head and shoulders above the rest. James M Without the "List", there would be no Kolb "community". Bill T Thanks, Matt, for a great service! I've been monitoring and using the lists since 1999. Richard D Thanks for such a terrific site and for all the work and effort you put into it. John R A great service year after year. John D ..another year of fantastic service. Jerry B This list is a great resource. Arden A Great list. James M Lists were a great help while building HRII N561FS. John S Great resources for both the beginner and experienced. George R Good service. Gary G The List is an invaluable resource! William C AeroElectric list is a great source of info and learning! Janice J Thank you, Matt for being there for us making it all happen on the List for so many years - Great JOB! Sam S Thank you for providing a great venue. You definitely hit the nail on the head with your solicitation asking if readers look forward to receiving the email digests. I certainly do and when I move from a dreamer to a builder, I expect the anticipation will only increase. Joe S Thanks for a Perfect working list. Hans-Peter R Great List Bryan K Such a great selection of valuable forums! David G Nice job! Walt E Good resource... Robert P Thank you for another great year! Scott S I could not do this without you... Robert D I believe I've been a list member for over a decade now. Thanks for the service! Tim L Great List Hendrik W ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means three things:.. 1) Today I am now officially 45 years old... 2) It marks that last "official" day of this year's List Fund Raiser! 3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way to keep the List bills paid. I will be posting the List of Contributors next week so make sure your name is on it! Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly appreciated. http://www.matronics.com/contribution Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List of Contributors 2008
Dear Listers, This year's Fund Raiser has drawn to a close and I want to thank everyone that so generously made a contribution this year in support of the Matronics Email List and Forum operation. Your generosity keeps the wheels on this cart and I truly appreciate the many kind words of encouragement and financial reimbursement. If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser, please feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on the Contribution site for a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution today and still get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by personal check to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated! And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2008 List of Contributors current as of 12/7/08! Have a look at this list of names as *these* are the people that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU! http://www.matronics.com/loc/2008.html I will be shipping out all of the gifts around the end of December. In most cases, gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Static Line Route
From: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk90658(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jan 06, 2009
Group, Where exactly did you rout the static line through bulkhead F5 (seat back bulkhead)? I am at the point or running the static line and have it up under the longeron, the way I see it the 7/16" hole needed to run the line would need to be placed some where well below the rivet group holding the F5 doubler, putting a 2" water trap in the line. Does this sag even matter? If the hole is drilled high on F5 it looks like the edge distance on the rivets would be violated. If any one has photos of this area, that would be nice. Bob Perkinson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223173#223173 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: Re: Static Line Route
Date: Jan 06, 2009
An RVator from about two years ago has a picture. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk90658(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:05 PM Subject: RV9-List: Static Line Route > > > Group, > Where exactly did you rout the static line through bulkhead F5 (seat back > bulkhead)? I am at the point or running the static line and have it up > under the longeron, the way I see it the 7/16" hole needed to run the line > would need to be placed some where well below the rivet group holding the > F5 doubler, putting a 2" water trap in the line. Does this sag even > matter? If the hole is drilled high on F5 it looks like the edge distance > on the rivets would be violated. > If any one has photos of this area, that would be nice. > Bob Perkinson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223173#223173 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Static Line Route
Date: Jan 06, 2009
Thanks - I was just about to ask you for her name again. Looks like the project is going forward. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Static Line Route > > An RVator from about two years ago has a picture. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk90658(at)bellsouth.net> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:05 PM > Subject: RV9-List: Static Line Route > > >> >> >> Group, >> Where exactly did you rout the static line through bulkhead F5 (seat back >> bulkhead)? I am at the point or running the static line and have it up >> under the longeron, the way I see it the 7/16" hole needed to run the >> line >> would need to be placed some where well below the rivet group holding the >> F5 doubler, putting a 2" water trap in the line. Does this sag even >> matter? If the hole is drilled high on F5 it looks like the edge >> distance >> on the rivets would be violated. >> If any one has photos of this area, that would be nice. >> Bob Perkinson >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223173#223173 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 2:34 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Static Line Route
Date: Jan 06, 2009
Sorry folks - slip of the "response" finger with the "project is going forward" thing. However, Bob, regarding your static line routing. As mentioned, the RVator has an article but as I recall there were some labeling errors in the captions or such. I did mine the way the article suggested and am still pretty much wide open in the fuselage department so I can send pictures if you want. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Static Line Route > > Thanks - I was just about to ask you for her name again. Looks like the > project is going forward. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Static Line Route > > >> >> An RVator from about two years ago has a picture. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk90658(at)bellsouth.net> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:05 PM >> Subject: RV9-List: Static Line Route >> >> >>> >>> >>> Group, >>> Where exactly did you rout the static line through bulkhead F5 (seat >>> back >>> bulkhead)? I am at the point or running the static line and have it up >>> under the longeron, the way I see it the 7/16" hole needed to run the >>> line >>> would need to be placed some where well below the rivet group holding >>> the >>> F5 doubler, putting a 2" water trap in the line. Does this sag even >>> matter? If the hole is drilled high on F5 it looks like the edge >>> distance >>> on the rivets would be violated. >>> If any one has photos of this area, that would be nice. >>> Bob Perkinson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223173#223173 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 2:34 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 2:34 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk90658(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Static Line Route
Date: Jan 06, 2009
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From: "Maurice B." <bmrv09(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Static Line Route
Date: Jan 06, 2009
I have an rv6a=2C but I run mine=2C right under the longeron=2C all the way =2C then along horizontally to the insturment pannel.. I use plastic=2C stand offs=2C glue with proseal=2C=2C alongl the way to h old plastic line=2C with tie wraps.. Acutally you do not need that.. Robert > From: wowens(at)darientel.net> To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV9- List: Static Line Route> Date: Tue=2C 6 Jan 2009 16:42:48 -0500> > --> RV9- List message posted by: "Wayne" > > An RVator from ab out two years ago has a picture.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Perkinson" > To: > Sen t: Tuesday=2C January 06=2C 2009 2:05 PM> Subject: RV9-List: Static Line Ro 8(at)bellsouth.net>> >> > Group=2C> > Where exactly did you rout the static li ne through bulkhead F5 (seat back > > bulkhead)? I am at the point or runni ng the static line and have it up > > under the longeron=2C the way I see i t the 7/16" hole needed to run the line > > would need to be placed some wh ere well below the rivet group holding the > > F5 doubler=2C putting a 2" w ater trap in the line. Does this sag even > > matter? If the hole is drille d high on F5 it looks like the edge distance > > on the rivets would be vio lated.> > If any one has photos of this area=2C that would be nice.> > Bob Perkinson> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.m atronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223173#223173> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ================> > > _________________________________________________________________ It=92s the same Hotmail=AE. If by =93same=94 you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad 1_122008 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: Oil temp
Date: Jan 28, 2009
With about 9 hours on my 9A I cant get the oil any hotter than 170 F and to do that I have to block off all the air flow to the cooler. I am about to try insulating the oil lines. I tried necking down the outlet air under the cowl . It started as about 110 percent of the inlet area size and is now 92 percent . The preliminary result is slightly cooler CHTs and EGTs and it goes 7 kts faster. More testing is required when the weather breaks. The goal of warming the oil more did not happen. Any suggestions? Wayne ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2009
Subject: Re: Oil temp
From: cam andres <cameronandres(at)gmail.com>
Wayne, Have you verified the temperature indicating components are accurate? I would make sure that a bench test confirms their accuracy before going to the next step. Cam Andres RV9A under construction On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Wayne wrote: > With about 9 hours on my 9A I cant get the oil any hotter than 170 F and > to do that I have to block off *all* the air flow to the cooler. I am > about to try insulating the oil lines. > I tried necking down the outlet air under the cowl . It started as about > 110 percent of the inlet area size and is now 92 percent . The * > preliminary* result is slightly cooler CHTs and EGTs and it goes 7 kts > faster. More testing is required when the weather breaks. The goal of > warming the oil more did not happen. > > Any suggestions? > Wayne > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2009
Subject: Re: Oil temp
From: Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk(at)gmail.com>
Gee, never know when or how these list things pop up. I have a 9a with about 260 hrs on a low compression 0-320. with the cooler - mounted at the top rear of the plenum horizontally, last time I did circuits it was about 50 F out and with the cooler fully blocked at the rear, saw only about 160 - 165 F also. It never broke 200 in the summer on a hot day, WOT climb to 5000'. I also might suspect the instrumentation, but have just been looking at adding a spin-on filter adapter, and noticed that some have a built-in vernatherm, some don't, some rely on a bypass in the filter.......in other words, you might have an open 'circuit' that is running oil thru the filter, cooler and hoses, which provides a fair bit of cooling area. My limited experience operating is of little help, but in reading up on it, the oil level will contribute to cool temps if you run over 5 or 6 quarts in the sump. If your carb is jetted quite rich, there's another source of cooling....fuel. How agressively do you lean? sounds like you have pretty good instrumentation, once you verify it is accurate! I like the sound of the obvious gain in efficiency by reducing your outlet....how did you do this? duct tape ? :-)....or something more permanent? best of luck with your temps.....consider yourself thankful you're not battling high temps instead! Perry On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:47 PM, cam andres wrote: > Wayne, > Have you verified the temperature indicating components are accurate? I > would make sure that a bench test confirms their accuracy before going to > the next step. > Cam Andres > RV9A under construction > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Wayne wrote: >> >> With about 9 hours on my 9A I cant get the oil any hotter than 170 F and >> to do that I have to block off all the air flow to the cooler. I am about to >> try insulating the oil lines. >> I tried necking down the outlet air under the cowl . It started as about >> 110 percent of the inlet area size and is now 92 percent . The preliminary >> result is slightly cooler CHTs and EGTs and it goes 7 kts faster. More >> testing is required when the weather breaks. The goal of warming the oil >> more did not happen. >> >> Any suggestions? >> Wayne >> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: Re: Oil temp
Date: Jan 29, 2009
Yes I attached a Fluke thermocouple meter next to the thermistor and heated them with a heat gun. It read the same on the meter and the Advanced Fight EFIS within 10 degrees. Thanks for the suggestion. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: cam andres To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:47 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Oil temp Wayne, Have you verified the temperature indicating components are accurate? I would make sure that a bench test confirms their accuracy before going to the next step. Cam Andres RV9A under construction On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Wayne wrote: With about 9 hours on my 9A I cant get the oil any hotter than 170 F and to do that I have to block off all the air flow to the cooler. I am about to try insulating the oil lines. I tried necking down the outlet air under the cowl . It started as about 110 percent of the inlet area size and is now 92 percent . The preliminary result is slightly cooler CHTs and EGTs and it goes 7 kts faster. More testing is required when the weather breaks. The goal of warming the oil more did not happen. Any suggestions? Wayne et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: Re: Oil temp
Date: Jan 30, 2009
----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Yaremchuk" <payaremchuk(at)gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:04 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Oil temp > > Gee, never know when or how these list things pop up. > I have a 9a with about 260 hrs on a low compression 0-320. with the > cooler - mounted at the top rear of the plenum horizontally, last time > I did circuits it was about 50 F out and with the cooler fully blocked > at the rear, saw only about 160 - 165 F also. It never broke 200 in > the summer on a hot day, WOT climb to 5000'. > I also might suspect the instrumentation, but have just been looking > at adding a spin-on filter adapter, and noticed that some have a > built-in vernatherm, some don't, some rely on a bypass in the > filter.......in other words, you might have an open 'circuit' that is > running oil thru the filter, cooler and hoses, which provides a fair > bit of cooling area. Just confirmed Superior installed a 85 degreeC vernatherm in my filter adapter. Bill at superior also suggested I add insulation to the SS braid covered teflon lines I have feeding the firewall mounted cooler. > My limited experience operating is of little help, but in reading up > on it, the oil level will contribute to cool temps if you run over 5 > or 6 quarts in the sump. If your carb is jetted quite rich, there's > another source of cooling....fuel. How agressively do you lean? sounds > like you have pretty good instrumentation, once you verify it is > accurate! > I like the sound of the obvious gain in efficiency by reducing your > outlet....how did you do this? > duct tape ? :-)....or something more permanent? If the wind dies down looks like I can get in another flight this afternoon . I mated (with piano hinge)a piece of 7075 .028 T6 aluminum sheet curved to fit the outlet and extending back about 8 inches. It is tapered so the air can reacellerate smothly. > > best of luck with your temps.....consider yourself thankful you're not > battling high temps instead! Yup > > Perry > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:47 PM, cam andres > wrote: >> Wayne, >> Have you verified the temperature indicating components are accurate? I >> would make sure that a bench test confirms their accuracy before going to >> the next step. >> Cam Andres >> RV9A under construction >> >> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Wayne wrote: >>> >>> With about 9 hours on my 9A I cant get the oil any hotter than 170 F >>> and >>> to do that I have to block off all the air flow to the cooler. I am >>> about to >>> try insulating the oil lines. >>> I tried necking down the outlet air under the cowl . It started as >>> about >>> 110 percent of the inlet area size and is now 92 percent . The >>> preliminary >>> result is slightly cooler CHTs and EGTs and it goes 7 kts faster. More >>> testing is required when the weather breaks. The goal of warming the oil >>> more did not happen. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> Wayne >>> >>> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >>> ttp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: Re: Oil temp
Date: Jan 30, 2009
I knew it was too good to be true. On a .longer flight at 5500 feet there was no difference in airspeed. Also insulating the oil lines did not help I could only get 155 degree oil with OAT of 35 degrees and half the cooler inlet plugged. The best so far is all the oil cooler blocked. Oil was 173 and OAT of 49 for a delta t of 124. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter Laurence" <dr.laurence(at)mbdi.org>
Subject: breakdown in Bradenton
Date: Feb 04, 2009
Any listers in the Bradenton -Clearwater Florida area that know of a good auto repair shop. My son's car just broke down and needs to be towed. Thanks Peter Laurence (V9A canopy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Must-Have Tool Tip...
Dear Listers, I don't know, maybe everyone but me already knew about this little gem of a tool, but in case you missed it, I thought I share. If you don't have one of these, run - don't walk - down to your local Home Depot or Ace Hardware store and get one! All of those #8 screws in the RVs are a giant pain to work in and out and some are just impossible to get to. I've been using this little guy on the RV-8 project and can't image not having it now. The bendable shaft is really strong and you can bend the heck out of it without impacting the torque. Its about $13 at Home Depot which is a great deal considering how handy it is. Here's a link to it on the Ace Hardware web page. I also attached a picture of mine attached to my Dewalt electric screw driver. http://www.acehardware.com/sm-eazypower-flex-a-bit-plus-eazypower-flex-a-bit-plus--pi-2467822.html Best regards, Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV Fitting Wheel Pants - Ug, These Suck... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 05, 2009
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: ROD END BEARING JAM NUT - Torque
For you Experts: Installed the Rod End Bearings in the Rudder and Elevator today. -My loca l A & P said to tighten the Jam Nut by "Hand Tightening" the Jam Nut as far as it will go, then turn the nut between 1/4 and 1/2 turn more. I "hand tightened" the Jam Nut (as the A & P said), but could not get it to tighten more than an additional 1/8 turn, -Because the Jam Nut is recess ed (in the Spar channel), it is impossible to get a wrench "squarely" on it = any further tightening of the Nut starts to round the corners of the N ut. -Is this 1/8 turn adequate for the Jam Nut tightness, if NOT how do y ou turn the Nut (since it is recessed) ???? What Torque Value is required for the Jam Nut, assuming a Torque Wrench can get into the recessed area - do not see how this can be done. ANOTHER QUESTION -Have a "Click Type" torque wrench that starts at 20 in-lb s. -From previous posts, the FIRST 1/6 and the LAST 1/6 of the Wrench's s cale are inaccurate. -So how do you measure -"LOW VALUES" -for an AN3 Nut that requires 20 - 25 in/lbs plus Friction Torque of approx 5 in/lbs = 25 to 30 on/lbs TOTAL torque ?? Appreciate your help, Garey - Santa Monica, CA=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 05, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Heads Up On Wheel Pant Fiberglass Quality...
Dear Listers, I took delivery of an RV-8 QB finish kit around September 2008. Last weekend I started tackling the installation of the wheel pants. The first thing I noticed on inspection of the wheel pants was how horrible the quality was. The front piece didn't fit the back piece and the flange shoulder on the back pieces were not straight. Getting a even an "okay" fit was nearly impossible. The other issue was the quality of the fiberglass itself. On the rear part of the back piece, the epoxy resin was completely spider-cracked on both sides and on both pants. It was nothing a few more coats of resin and a bunch of sanding couldn't fix, but who wants to do that? Needless to say, I was fairly demoralized by the fact that there was really no way I was going to be able to make them really fit together "perfect". But, I plowed ahead anyway and started trying to mount them to the Grove Airfoiled gear. I had a lot of trouble getting them to fit correctly onto the landing gear. The main issue seemed to be that they are too small at the bottom and don't fit over the brake caliper without touching. I kept thinking that I must just not have them in the correct position, so I kept hogging out a little more glass here and there with the Dremel tool until basically the holes were all too big (for the gear leg and for the wheel). I finally found a couple of builder web sites where others have had the same issue with the brake caliper interference and they added a 2.5" "blister" to pooch out over the area that rubs. But by this time it was too late for that first set of pants. But here's the interesting part. Since I had basically destroyed both of the original pants trying to get them to fit, I decided to just order up a replacement set, take a sedative, and start over again on the whole thing. The new wheel pants arrived from Van's yesterday. The difference in quality between these replacement units and the ones from last year is incredible! The seams are nearly perfect on the replacements and only required a bit of sanding on the front part to get a *perfect*, and I mean *perfect* fit between the front and back halves. The consistency of the fiberglass layups is 100% better on the new units, and that seam at the top was already so flat, I didn't even have to sand it down. There are no spider cracks in the glass anywhere. I haven't actually weighed them, but replacements feel like they might be somewhat lighter as well. Obviously Van's switched fiberglass vendors at some point in the last 10 months and the switch was well worth it. I've attached a couple of photos of the Circa September 2008 and Circa June 2009 sets I received. The only similarity is in the overall shape. FYI Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 05, 2009
From: Dennis Thomas <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: ROD END BEARING JAM NUT - Torque
What works well for this is a ratchet end wrench.=0A=0AI wouldn't worry too much about torque torque value. If really concerned you could play with a same size nut in another location with a torque and regular wrench to get the feel of what the torque feels like.=0A=0ADennis Thomas =0A=0A=0A=0A___ _____________________________=0AFrom: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo .com>=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, June 5, 2009 10:26:16 AM =0ASubject: RV9-List: ROD END BEARING JAM NUT - Torque=0A=0A=0AFor you Expe rts:=0A=0AInstalled the Rod End Bearings in the Rudder and Elevator today. My local A & P said to tighten the Jam Nut by "Hand Tightening" the Jam Nu t as far as it will go, then turn the nut between 1/4 and 1/2 turn more.=0A =0AI "hand tightened" the Jam Nut (as the A & P said), but could not get it to tighten more than an additional 1/8 turn, Because the Jam Nut is reces sed (in the Spar channel), it is impossible to get a wrench "squarely" on i t = any further tightening of the Nut starts to round the corners of the Nut. Is this 1/8 turn adequate for the Jam Nut tightness, if NOT how do yo u turn the Nut (since it is recessed) ????=0A=0AWhat Torque Value is requir ed for the Jam Nut, assuming a Torque Wrench can get into the recessed area - do not see how this can be done.=0A=0AANOTHER QUESTION -=0AHave a "Click Type" torque wrench that starts at 20 in-lbs. From previous posts, the FI RST 1/6 and the LAST 1/6 of the Wrench's scale are inaccurate. So how do y ou measure "LOW VALUES" for an AN3 Nut that requires 20 - 25 in/lbs plus Friction Torque of approx 5 in/lbs = 25 to 30 on/lbs TOTAL torque ??=0A ======== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ROD END BEARING JAM NUT - Torque
From: Ian <ixb(at)videotron.ca>
Date: Jun 05, 2009
Not sure if a ratchet end wrench is the same thing but a crows foot wrench works too. I'd agree about the guesstimating by trying the feel elsewhere. The rod end bearing is not going to go anywhere anyway! Ian Brown > What works well for this is a ratchet end wrench. > > > I wouldn't worry too much about torque torque value. If really > concerned you could play with a same size nut in another location > with a torque and regular wrench to get the feel of what the torque > feels like. > > > Dennis Thomas > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 10:26:16 AM > Subject: RV9-List: ROD END BEARING JAM NUT - Torque > > For you Experts: > > > Installed the Rod End Bearings in the Rudder and Elevator today. My > local A & P said to tighten the Jam Nut by "Hand Tightening" the Jam > Nut as far as it will go, then turn the nut between 1/4 and 1/2 turn > more. > > > I "hand tightened" the Jam Nut (as the A & P said), but could not get > it to tighten more than an additional 1/8 turn, Because the Jam Nut > is recessed (in the Spar channel), it is impossible to get a wrench > "squarely" on it = any further tightening of the Nut starts to round > the corners of the Nut. Is this 1/8 turn adequate for the Jam Nut > tightness, if NOT how do you turn the Nut (since it is recessed) ???? > > > What Torque Value is required for the Jam Nut, assuming a Torque > Wrench can get into the recessed area - do not see how this can be > done. > > > ANOTHER QUESTION - > Have a "Click Type" torque wrench that starts at 20 in-lbs. From > previous posts, the FIRST 1/6 and the LAST 1/6 of the Wrench's scale > are inaccurate. So how do you measure "LOW VALUES" for an AN3 Nut > that requires 20 - 25 in/lbs plus Friction Torque of approx 5 in/lbs > 25 to 30 on/lbs TOTAL torque ?? > > > Appreciate your help, > > > Garey Santa Monica, CA > > http://foru== > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "e.ap" <e.ap(at)beyondbb.com>
Subject: Re: Heads Up On Wheel Pant Fiberglass Quality...
Date: Jun 12, 2009
Don't you just get tired of pissing away good money for trash?? E! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: RV9-List: Heads Up On Wheel Pant Fiberglass Quality... > > Dear Listers, > > I took delivery of an RV-8 QB finish kit around September 2008. Last > weekend I started tackling the installation of the wheel pants. The first > thing I noticed on inspection of the wheel pants was how horrible the > quality was. The front piece didn't fit the back piece and the flange > shoulder on the back pieces were not straight. Getting a even an "okay" > fit was nearly impossible. The other issue was the quality of the > fiberglass itself. On the rear part of the back piece, the epoxy resin > was completely spider-cracked on both sides and on both pants. It was > nothing a few more coats of resin and a bunch of sanding couldn't fix, but > who wants to do that? Needless to say, I was fairly demoralized by the > fact that there was really no way I was going to be able to make them > really fit together "perfect". > > But, I plowed ahead anyway and started trying to mount them to the Grove > Airfoiled gear. I had a lot of trouble getting them to fit correctly onto > the landing gear. The main issue seemed to be that they are too small at > the bottom and don't fit over the brake caliper without touching. I kept > thinking that I must just not have them in the correct position, so I kept > hogging out a little more glass here and there with the Dremel tool until > basically the holes were all too big (for the gear leg and for the wheel). > I finally found a couple of builder web sites where others have had the > same issue with the brake caliper interference and they added a 2.5" > "blister" to pooch out over the area that rubs. But by this time it was > too late for that first set of pants. > > But here's the interesting part. Since I had basically destroyed both of > the original pants trying to get them to fit, I decided to just order up a > replacement set, take a sedative, and start over again on the whole thing. > The new wheel pants arrived from Van's yesterday. The difference in > quality between these replacement units and the ones from last year is > incredible! The seams are nearly perfect on the replacements and only > required a bit of sanding on the front part to get a *perfect*, and I mean > *perfect* fit between the front and back halves. The consistency of the > fiberglass layups is 100% better on the new units, and that seam at the > top was already so flat, I didn't even have to sand it down. There are no > spider cracks in the glass anywhere. I haven't actually weighed them, but > replacements feel like they might be somewhat lighter as well. > > Obviously Van's switched fiberglass vendors at some point in the last 10 > months and the switch was well worth it. I've attached a couple of photos > of the Circa September 2008 and Circa June 2009 sets I received. The only > similarity is in the overall shape. > > FYI > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2009
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn
REF: -Regarding the 1/4 inch bolt holes in the Elevator Control Horns, ab out which the Left & Right Elevator Horns rotate on the center Hinge Bearin g fastened to the center of the Horiz Stabilizer. After drilling these 1/4 inch diameter holes (for the AN4 Bolt), these hole s are too close to the weld fillet that welds the torque tube to the perpen dicular part of the Horn. -The weld fillets on my L & R Horns go ALL the way around the Tube. Thus the AN4 Bolt HEAD and corresponding Nut HEAD will come in contact with the "weld fillet" BEFORE they are tightened. -- - After reading the "Archieves" for possible solutions and some of my own thoughts it seems the options are (looking for the BEST Option): 1) Die Grind the weld fillet in the area where the Bolt and Nut heads will be, then spot prime with Zinc Chromate. 2) -Grind the weld fillet where the Nut Head will be and then use a reduc ed size Nut (MS21042-4) that has a smaller diameter than the -one supplie d by Vans. 3) -Use regular AN960 Washers and "contour them" to fit over the weld fil let so Bolt Head and Nut fit snug against them. -(Will need a longer Bolt than supplied by Vans.) 4) -Make a "thick" washer out of stainless steel (i.e. 1/8" thick) and "c ontour it" to fit over the weld fillets; thus the Bolt and Nut heads have a flat surface to tighten against. -Again a longer Bolt will be required. -<----- Seems the BEST approach to me. - Any subtle issues involved ??? How did YOU handle this situation ??????? Appreciate your comments !!! Thanks, - Garey Wittich - Santa Monica, CA=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 21, 2009
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Measure RUDDER Deflection (Swing) Angle
Greetings: Have my VS mounted to the work bench along with the Rudder attached. -Try ing to verify the 35 degree travel on the Rudder to the Left and Right of N eutral. -Seen no Archieves on how to measure the angle other than laying the VS and Rudder on the work bench and using "Smart Level" to measure the deflection in the Up & Down positions. -Must be "super simple" to measure it, but for some reason the method is not evident to me (now). Appreciate your help, - -Garey Wittich - Santa Monica, CA =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Measure RUDDER Deflection (Swing) Angle
From: Ian Brown <ixb(at)videotron.ca>
Date: Jun 22, 2009
The rudder travel needs to be measured after it's mounted on the aircraft, because the limiting factor is the exact positioning and dimensions of the stops, which are mounted on the fuselage, not the vertical stabilizer. How about, once it's mounted on the fuselage, dropping a plumb line from the hinge to a piece of cardboard, and dropping another one from some spot like the trailing edge of the rudder where the light gets attached. You could do this in all three positions and then just join the dots, and measure with an old fashioned protractor. Ian Brown Bromont Quebec RV-9A C-GOHM (about to fly off my last hour of test flight today!) > Greetings: > > Have my VS mounted to the work bench along with the Rudder attached. > Trying to verify the 35 degree travel on the Rudder to the Left and > Right of Neutral. Seen no Archieves on how to measure the angle other > than laying the VS and Rudder on the work bench and using "Smart > Level" to measure the deflection in the Up & Down positions. Must be > "super simple" to measure it, but for some reason the method is not > evident to me (now). > > > Appreciate your help, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Measure RUDDER Deflection (Swing) Angle
Date: Jun 22, 2009
Garey, The way I did it was to use a carpenters' tool (don't know the name but it's about the size of a tri-square with a fixed and a movable arm) that can be set to any angle. I laid it against the fin, deflected the rudder, then set the tool to the resulting position. Used a large protractor to figure out what angle the tool was in. As I recall it was less than the prescribed amount but a call to Van's revealed that it was plenty. Bill Albion, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Brown" <ixb(at)videotron.ca> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Measure RUDDER Deflection (Swing) Angle > > The rudder travel needs to be measured after it's mounted on the > aircraft, because the limiting factor is the exact positioning and > dimensions of the stops, which are mounted on the fuselage, not the > vertical stabilizer. How about, once it's mounted on the fuselage, > dropping a plumb line from the hinge to a piece of cardboard, and > dropping another one from some spot like the trailing edge of the rudder > where the light gets attached. You could do this in all three positions > and then just join the dots, and measure with an old fashioned > protractor. > > Ian Brown > Bromont > Quebec > RV-9A C-GOHM > (about to fly off my last hour of test flight today!) > >> Greetings: >> >> Have my VS mounted to the work bench along with the Rudder attached. >> Trying to verify the 35 degree travel on the Rudder to the Left and >> Right of Neutral. Seen no Archieves on how to measure the angle other >> than laying the VS and Rudder on the work bench and using "Smart >> Level" to measure the deflection in the Up & Down positions. Must be >> "super simple" to measure it, but for some reason the method is not >> evident to me (now). >> >> >> Appreciate your help, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:53:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2009
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Any Recommendations for Builders Assistance ???
Greetings:Working by myself, the RV-8A QB Project is going too "slooowly". -Local EAA Chapter here in Santa Monica, CA has no RV Builders or any at the airport. -Looking for some assistance by an experienced RV Builder or Builders Assistance Center here in Southern California to complete Project - where we can work together ( here or at their location) thus speeding th e Project along. -Want to work on the Project about 40 hours per week. -Willing to pay a reasonable fee for the help. I have completed the Emhen nage - now ready to start the Wings.- Any helpful suggestions ?? Thanks, - Garey Wittich -Santa Monica, CA - (310) 392-1682=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 02, 2009
From: Geoffrey Patterson <geoffwhatnot(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Any Recommendations for Builders Assistance ???
Garey, Hi, my name is Geoff Patterson. I am building an RV9A at Camarillo at the EAA 723 hangars. I'm really just getting underway, having just finished my empennage and waiting for my wings/fuselage to arrive in a few weeks. I do know that there are a couple of really good builders of RV's at Oxnard airport. Jim Ayers is the tech advisor for out Chapter, and while I've never met him, he has a great reputation and has a large hangar at Oxnard where he and a buddy are building modified RV's--sorta like Harmon Rockets. I think they work every day there. There are a bunch of RV's here at Camarillo (around 20, I would guess) , and it is a great airport to eventually fly off your hours from. If you are interested at all== (geographically undesireable--I know)== let me know and I can get you info. Geoff Patterson ________________________________ From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:17:49 AM Subject: RV9-List: Any Recommendations for Builders Assistance ??? Greetings: Working by myself, the RV-8A QB Project is going too "slooowly". Local EAA Chapter here in Santa Monica, CA has no RV Builders or any at the airport. Looking for some assistance by an experienced RV Builder or Builders Assistance Center here in Southern California to complete Project - where we can work together ( here or at their location) thus speeding the Project along. Want to work on the Project about 40 hours per week. Willing to pay a reasonable fee for the help. I have completed the Emhennage - now ready to start the Wings. Any helpful suggestions ?? Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310) 392-1682 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Pirep - Fairings-Etc Gear Intersection Fairings...
Since I'm building a *metal* airplane and not a fiberglass airplane by personal choice, when it was time to start the gear intersection fairings I was shocked and amazed that I was expected to use modeling clay and a make my own mold-in-place gear intersection fairings. I could probably get one side to look okay, but I *knew* there'd be no way I could make the other side look just like the first side. Since I'm considered compulsive about my need for ying/yang and feng shui in my projects, I just knew this task was going to be a huge pain in the tail feathers. I turned to the Internet as I so often do when faced with overwhelming situations, and after a few pokes at the 'ol Google, I happened upon the Fairings-Etc web site ( http://www.fairings-etc.com/ ). Bob Snedaker of Fairings-Etc makes all sorts of fiberglass bits and pieces and after a some of surfing around his web site I found that he is now offering upper and lower main gear intersection fairings for the RV-8 with the Grove Airfoiled landing gear! The parts arrived yesterday and I pulled them out of the box and slipped them on the gear and was simply *amazed* at the beautiful fit! They will require a bit of finishing and final fitting, but nothing major. Their shape is very pleasing and really tie the Grove gear together with the fuselage and wheel pants. I've attached a few pictures of the fairings as the look right out of the box. The Upper set of fairings are $130 and the lower set are $140. In my opinion an excellent investment in my RV-8 project. Not only will they save me a ton of time, but they will look 100 times better than anything I could have ever come up with. Run - don't walk - over to Fairings-Etc and order yourself a set today! You won't be sorry! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV Wing-to-Fuselage Fairings... (Note that I have no affiliation with Fairings-Etc other than being a very satisfied customer.) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: About those stiffening circles around the lightening holes in
wing ribs...
Date: Jul 24, 2009
Fellow RVers, I need to mount some stuff on wing ribs. But, the ribs have holes cut out for lightening...and around each hole is stamped a modest raised/indented circle in the sheet metal, for stiffening I suppose. It is the raised side that causes problems when trying to attach something flat there. I'd like to somehow squash or flatten a portion of the raised circle, just enough so that the things I need to mount will fit flush on the rib. Yes, some things must go onto the rib. No, some of this I cannot mount on the other side. What have RVers done to solve this little problem? Thanks, Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2009
From: Dennis Thomas <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: About those stiffening circles around the lightening holes
in wing ribs... Hi Ralph, The raised area around the holes are to stiffen and strengthen the rib. In mashing them flat you may distort the shape of the rib as well as weaken it. Before doing that I would suggest talking to one the techs at Van's. Dennis Thomas RV-9 485 hours ----- Original Message ---- From: Ralph Finch <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:48:02 AM Subject: RV9-List: About those stiffening circles around the lightening holes in wing ribs... Fellow RVers, I need to mount some stuff on wing ribs. But, the ribs have holes cut out for lightening...and around each hole is stamped a modest raised/indented circle in the sheet metal, for stiffening I suppose. It is the raised side that causes problems when trying to attach something flat there. I'd like to somehow squash or flatten a portion of the raised circle, just enough so that the things I need to mount will fit flush on the rib. Yes, some things must go onto the rib. No, some of this I cannot mount on the other side. What have RVers done to solve this little problem? Thanks, Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2009
From: RScott <rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com>
Subject: Re: About those stiffening circles around the lightening holes
in wing ribs... Those rings provide strength, although I don't know how much. And flattening them weakens the metal beyond what it was before the groove was stamped in them. One solution might be to just put spacers under your parts, outside the rings if your "stuff" spans the diameter of the rings. Ralph Finch wrote: > Fellow RVers, > > I need to mount some stuff on wing ribs. But, the ribs have holes cut out > for lightening...and around each hole is stamped a modest raised/indented > circle in the sheet metal, for stiffening I suppose. > > It is the raised side that causes problems when trying to attach something > flat there. I'd like to somehow squash or flatten a portion of the raised > circle, just enough so that the things I need to mount will fit flush on the > rib. Yes, some things must go onto the rib. No, some of this I cannot mount > on the other side. > > What have RVers done to solve this little problem? > > Thanks, > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > RV-9A QB-SA > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jofrap1(at)juno.com" <jofrap1(at)juno.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2009
Subject: Re: About those stiffening circles around the lightening hol
es in wing ribs... Hi I don't remember mounting anything to the wing ribs please describe. Joe ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: RV9-List: About those stiffening circles around the lightening holes in wing ribs... Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:48:02 -0700 Fellow RVers, I need to mount some stuff on wing ribs. But, the ribs have holes cut o ut for lightening...and around each hole is stamped a modest raised/indente d circle in the sheet metal, for stiffening I suppose. It is the raised side that causes problems when trying to attach somethi ng flat there. I'd like to somehow squash or flatten a portion of the rais ed circle, just enough so that the things I need to mount will fit flush on the rib. Yes, some things must go onto the rib. No, some of this I cannot m ount on the other side. What have RVers done to solve this little problem? Thanks, Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA ____________________________________________________________ Click to reduce wrinkles & lines. Anti-aging that works, try now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTJYs88kuk5a2btMoDnI0cC VVYi7DhM6i3NuR28rMr3uENJiP0aXMs/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JOHN TIPTON" <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com>
Subject: About those stiffening circles around the lightening holes
in wing ribs...
Date: Jul 24, 2009
For the mounting of the 'Gretz' pitot heat controller, I thought of using long screws (attach bolts), with alloy 'stand off' tubes which should solve the problem you are encountering. Check out one or two of the builders web sites there are many options out there. John >> Ralph Finch wrote: >>> Fellow RVers, >>> >>> I need to mount some stuff on wing ribs. But, the ribs have holes cut >>> out >>> for lightening...and around each hole is stamped a modest >>> raised/indented >>> circle in the sheet metal, for stiffening I suppose. >>> >>> It is the raised side that causes problems when trying to attach >>> something >>> flat there. I'd like to somehow squash or flatten a portion of the >>> raised >>> circle, just enough so that the things I need to mount will fit flush on >>> the >>> rib. Yes, some things must go onto the rib. No, some of this I cannot >>> mount >>> on the other side. >>> What have RVers done to solve this little problem? >>> Thanks, >>> Ralph Finch >>> Davis, California >>> RV-9A QB-SA >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: About those stiffening circles around the lightening
holes in wing ribs... Hi Ralph, Here's how I mounted the Gretz pitot controller PC board on my RV-8. Worked pretty good: http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=dralle&project=638&category=2982&log=81657&row=132 http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=dralle&project=638&category=2982&log=81656&row=133 Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV FWF Right Around The Corner... At 02:29 PM 7/24/2009 Friday, JOHN TIPTON wrote: > > >For the mounting of the 'Gretz' pitot heat controller, I thought of using >long screws (attach bolts), with alloy 'stand off' tubes which should solve >the problem you are encountering. > >Check out one or two of the builders web sites there are many options out >there. > >John > > >>>Ralph Finch wrote: >>>>Fellow RVers, >>>> >>>>I need to mount some stuff on wing ribs. But, the ribs have holes cut out >>>>for lightening...and around each hole is stamped a modest raised/indented >>>>circle in the sheet metal, for stiffening I suppose. >>>> >>>>It is the raised side that causes problems when trying to attach something >>>>flat there. I'd like to somehow squash or flatten a portion of the raised >>>>circle, just enough so that the things I need to mount will fit flush on the >>>>rib. Yes, some things must go onto the rib. No, some of this I cannot mount >>>>on the other side. >>>>What have RVers done to solve this little problem? >>>>Thanks, >>>>Ralph Finch >>>>Davis, California >>>>RV-9A QB-SA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2009
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Looking for Builders Asistance
Greetings: Have RV-8A QB Kit. -Have completed Empennage and looking for assistance t o complete Project. -Does anybody know of any person(s) that do Builders Assistance in Southern California (preferably in the Los Angeles Area) ???? Appreciate any leads !!!! Thanks, -Garey Wittich - Santa Monica, CA - -(310) 392-1682=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Conduit Placement in QB RV7 Wings
Date: Jul 25, 2009
Can't decide if this is a good thing to do or not. I need to run conduit in my QB wings but there are no consistent tooling holes anywhere except where Vans put the pitot holes and the one tooling hole above that. (actually below if the wing is right side up). It would be pretty easy to put a 3/4 hole in place of the pitot holes and in the tooling holes above with a 3/4 step drill and a 4 foot extension but it would get pretty close to the spar. Is there an edge distance issue with this or does it even apply? Doing it anywhere else without the tooling holes is problematic? Any comments, suggestions, pictures appreciated. Bill S RV7 only the wings left,.. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2009
From: John Morgensen <john(at)morgensen.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Conduit Placement in QB RV7 Wings
Bill Schlatterer wrote: > > Can't decide if this is a good thing to do or not. I need to run > conduit in my QB wings but there are no consistent tooling holes > anywhere except where Vans put the pitot holes and the one tooling > hole above that. (actually below if the wing is right side up). > > It would be pretty easy to put a 3/4 hole in place of the pitot holes > and in the tooling holes above with a 3/4 step drill and a 4 foot > extension but it would get pretty close to the spar. Is there an edge > distance issue with this or does it even apply? Doing it anywhere > else without the tooling holes is problematic? > > Any comments, suggestions, pictures appreciated. <<...>> > > > Bill S > RV7 only the wings left,.... > This is what I did: CPVC? (lighter than regular PVC) and joist hangers from Big R Ranch Supply. John Morgensen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Conduit Placement in QB RV7 Wings
Date: Jul 26, 2009
I did something similar, but with these hangars from Terminal Town: http://www.terminaltown.com/Pages/Page65.html http://tinyurl.com/noxv5z Ralph Finch From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Morgensen Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: RV9-List: Re: RV-List: Conduit Placement in QB RV7 Wings Bill Schlatterer wrote: Can't decide if this is a good thing to do or not. I need to run conduit in my QB wings but there are no consistent tooling holes anywhere except where Vans put the pitot holes and the one tooling hole above that. (actually below if the wing is right side up). It would be pretty easy to put a 3/4 hole in place of the pitot holes and in the tooling holes above with a 3/4 step drill and a 4 foot extension but it would get pretty close to the spar. Is there an edge distance issue with this or does it even apply? Doing it anywhere else without the tooling holes is problematic? Any comments, suggestions, pictures appreciated. <<...>> Bill S RV7 only the wings left,.. This is what I did: CPVC? (lighter than regular PVC) and joist hangers from Big R Ranch Supply. John Morgensen ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Hartzell Prop Goes On Today!
Listers! It seemed like a rather momentous occasion today since the Hartzell CS prop got mounted to the front of the 'ol RV-8 project!! Yahoo! I really like the looks of the non-blended airfoil blades. They just have a more traditional, mean and manly look, IMHO. The 72" dia also has those fatter paddles which looks cool too. Just two weeks from initial engine mounting to prop installation. The FWF controls and wiring are done too. All of the CHT/EGT/PSI probes even worked the first time! Anyway, just thought I'd share. Cowling goes on next, then the baffling... Wish me luck. ;-) Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle Cowling and Baffling... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Fouad Halwani <halwani(at)videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: RV9-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/07/09
Date: Sep 08, 2009
Hi Awni Got it . Not sure why you have added the detailed notes for the PSR-1 . Do you plan to keep them this way ? As to the titles, I think Projects Manager (with an "s") defines Nathan's work very well. It is actually a post that Verathon had in their organization. Igor should be our "Lead Medical Advisor" or "Principal Medical Advisor" I suppose.... Will have the VQm part reviewed sometime today Fouad On 8-Sep-09, at 2:58 AM, RV9-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV9-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version > of the RV9-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-09-07&Archive=RV9 > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 09-09-07&Archive=RV9 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV9-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 09/07/09: 0 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-9A Kit for sale -- includes finishing kit!
From: "hirox" <hiro(at)consultant.com>
Date: Oct 21, 2009
I started construction in 2001, but do not fly any more, and offering it for sale. Meticulously crafted, primed with zinc chromate. I have completed the Tail, Wings, and most of the Empennage. I even purchased the Finishing kit, but have not worked on it for some time, and would be an enormous head start if you are looking to fly soon. Builder #90147. Provision for Tail light, Dual Brake, Dual Landing lights, Wingtip with provision for position lights, Static Air, Slider Canopy, Dyna/cowl for O-320, Spinner for Sensenich metal prop. Many of these options you can probably still change at this point. Currently, the Van's quickbuild price $30,200 and kit price is $20,220. I am offering this kit for $19,000, firm. In addition, I will set aside $1,000 of the payment aside for 12 months from date of purchase to pay for up to that amount in parts which are missing (I have carefully kept track of everything so I don't think this will be an issue). Kit is located in Monterey, California. I was able to move it with a 15' moving truck. Pics available at http://img42.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=pc150115.jpg Please contact me for any questions. My email is hiro(at)consultant.com. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268842#268842 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-9A Kit for sale -- includes finishing kit!
Date: Oct 21, 2009
From: "Warren, Daniel J Civ USAF AFMC OO-ALC/FMA" <Daniel.Warren(at)hill.af.mil>
Just curious...Since much of the work has been done, would there be a problem for the next owner with the 51% ruler? Dan Warren 801-777-5458 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of hirox Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: RV9-List: RV-9A Kit for sale -- includes finishing kit! I started construction in 2001, but do not fly any more, and offering it for sale. Meticulously crafted, primed with zinc chromate. I have completed the Tail, Wings, and most of the Empennage. I even purchased the Finishing kit, but have not worked on it for some time, and would be an enormous head start if you are looking to fly soon. Builder #90147. Provision for Tail light, Dual Brake, Dual Landing lights, Wingtip with provision for position lights, Static Air, Slider Canopy, Dyna/cowl for O-320, Spinner for Sensenich metal prop. Many of these options you can probably still change at this point. Currently, the Van's quickbuild price $30,200 and kit price is $20,220. I am offering this kit for $19,000, firm. In addition, I will set aside $1,000 of the payment aside for 12 months from date of purchase to pay for up to that amount in parts which are missing (I have carefully kept track of everything so I don't think this will be an issue). Kit is located in Monterey, California. I was able to move it with a 15' moving truck. Pics available at http://img42.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=pc150115.jpg Please contact me for any questions. My email is hiro(at)consultant.com. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268842#268842 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-9A Kit for sale -- includes finishing kit!
From: "hirox" <hiro(at)consultant.com>
Date: Oct 21, 2009
Form FAA 8000-38 seems to be interested in assuring the manufacturer, in this case Van's, did not perform the majority of the work. Kit planes are often constructed by a group of individual builders, and their collective work counts towards the 51% necessary for a plane to fall in the experimental category. I would imagine that would be the case in this situation. BTW, The Ad should read " I have completed the Tail, Wings, and most of the FUSELAGE." Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268850#268850 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-9A Kit for sale -- includes finishing kit!
Date: Oct 21, 2009
From: "Warren, Daniel J Civ USAF AFMC OO-ALC/FMA" <Daniel.Warren(at)hill.af.mil>
Thanks for the explanation. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of hirox Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: RV9-List: Re: RV-9A Kit for sale -- includes finishing kit! Form FAA 8000-38 seems to be interested in assuring the manufacturer, in this case Van's, did not perform the majority of the work. Kit planes are often constructed by a group of individual builders, and their collective work counts towards the 51% necessary for a plane to fall in the experimental category. I would imagine that would be the case in this situation. BTW, The Ad should read " I have completed the Tail, Wings, and most of the FUSELAGE." Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268850#268850 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Colgin & Associates" <acolgin(at)paintbiz.net>
Subject: RV9-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/25/09
Date: Oct 26, 2009
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Date: Nov 01, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November!
Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's solely through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO advertising to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages and web site pages such as the Matronics List Forums ( http://forums.matronics.com ), the List Wiki ( http://wiki.matronics.com), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), the List Browser ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements. During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the bills associated with running these lists. Your personal Contribution counts! Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates. This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/). These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support of the Lists again this year!! You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount!! To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral support over the years! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Peter Capani <peter.capani(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV-9 Time to Build, Fort Worth, TX
Date: Nov 01, 2009
I am deciding on which aircraft I want to build. The mission profile is well defined as long-haul cross country for my wife and me in a comparatively fast plane. The RV-9 may fit the profile. Are there builders local to the Fort Worth area (Granbury, Hicks, etc., also) that can tell me the number of hours or years it took to build their planes? Thanks. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: November List Fund Raiser
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-) I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites. If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Reminder
Dear Listers, Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for my your Contributions during this time of the year. Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
Dear Listers, There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums. The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November Fund Raiser. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution too! You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or, you can send a personal check to the following address: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore, CA 94551-0347 Thank you in advance for your generous support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution
Today! Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser
Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Please make your Contribution today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Some Very Nice Comments...
Dear Listers, I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them over and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation of these services. There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution. http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists ----------- Few things in life bring more usefulness than the List. This is worth every penny! Stephen T. I have enjoyed the list for way too many years, but continue to get closer to flying my project with the help of listers. C.L. Thanks for this List. It's been a great source of encouragement and information. Arden A. Great service! Gerald T. It's always interesting reading the lists and I've gotten some good help from the issues and answers there. Steve T. Been a member of the List for 12 years. Keep up the good work. John H. Great Site! Harry M. Great source of information... Martin H. Thanks for providing this great service! Jeff P. I continue to get and give information through these lists. Ralph C. This is a wonderful resource! Warren H. This is what inernet was meant for, sharing information and experience. Michael W. Thanks for making such a good list! Fred D. Thanks for running a great service! Michael F. I really appreciate it. Dan H. Thanks for the great service. Michael L. Thanks for maintaining this great resource. John C. Your sites have been a great resourses and an introduction to many competent aircraft designers and fabricators. Jon M. Thanks for all that you do to maintain the Matronics forums and for the personal help that you have been to me in answering my questions regarding the use of the forums. William B. [The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and make my systems better. Ralph C. The Universe is a better place because of you. Eric J. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Contributions Down By 21%...
Dear Listers, As of today, contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind last year at this time by 21%. I have a fund raiser each year simply to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising income to support the Lists and rely solely on the contributions of members to keep the expenses paid. I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of hours. All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of my personal time as well. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments, make a modest contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. If you enjoy the Lists, please make a contribution today. I also offer some incentive gifts for larger contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the continuation of these services: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's My Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers, Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki. But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the best investments you can make in your Sport... List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year...
Dear Listers, There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser! Response has been very good, but still well behind last year. If you've been waiting until the last minute to make your contribution and maybe even pick up a great gift, now might be good time to show your support! Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in
December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution...
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums. The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit card, Paypal, or a personal check: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Are You Thankful For...?
Dear Listers, Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed upon us. Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like, "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!! Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for their continued operation and upgrade? The List Contribution Site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...
Even though the number of List subscriptions and List posts are up significantly this year compared to last year, support during this year's List Fund Raiser has been woefully lagging from last year. There are only a couple more days left in November and the end of the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching. I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid on the List service expenses, I will have to look into some sort of advertising. Please don't let that happen! Your personal contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping the operation a float. The lunch combo at Carl's Jr costs nearly $10 these days. Isn't the List worth at least as much as a couple of burgers? Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in December. The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two More Days Left; Fund Raiser Behind By 12%...
Dear Listers, This year's List Fund Raiser is still trailing last year by a 12% margin. If you like the ad-free environment that is the Matronics Email List and Forum experience, please make a quick Contribution to keep it that way! http://www.matronics.com/contribution I've been getting a ton of really nice comments from Contributors regarding the Lists. Please read over some of them below and see if they don't resonate with you as well. Thank you in advance for your generous contribution to support these Lists! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator --------------------------- Member Feedback ---------------------------- ur web site is a real institution of the whole Experimental Aircraft subculture. John G Thanks Matt for the lists. A lot of good info. Great bunch of list members. Great videos and no SPAM. Paul C It has been a valuable tool. Troy M ..appreciate the site as much as ever. Larry M By using various forums I've learned a ton, received great advice, made friends, and saved money! Craig W Since I've finished [my project], I've not had much to do as far as fabrication of electrical systems. However, selectively reading various topics is still very valuable and Bob's insights and new how to's make me a continuous subscriber. Larry F Matronics user groups are the best tool I have for learning to build my RV-10! Philip W There is always useful knowledge to be found on this list, and I suspect that it has kept quite a few people out of trouble over the years it has been in operation. Good entertainment, too. Graham H Great web site. I wish I'd known about it while building. Bob S I'm happy to provide some support to this list. It is very helpful. Vaughn T Good service to sport aviation!! Roger B Awesome Service you provide for us! Bill R My [project] is almost finished! However, it wouldn't be close without the [this] group. Douwe B Great list. Robert S I'm not a builder yet but learning lots from the list. Peter M Some nonsense, some humor, but mostly good information. Tony C Thanks for creating and keeping the Lists. They are entertaining and always informative! John M Thanks for this valuable resource to our community. Barry H The list is IMHO the greatest resource on the net. John B Thanks again for providing another year of your useful List service. Jerry B Great site indeed, every time I get a message I usually learn something. Peter B You are making a huge contribution to the builder fraternity and in no small way enhancing sport aviation safety. Richard G The List is the SINGLE, MOST IMPORTANT resource I have in building my RV10. I would be lost without out it. And I have made a bunch of new friends as well! Les K The lists are one of the things I really enjoy, so keep up the good work. Freddie H Every year -- the best value for my time and money! Owen B This list is a major contribution to safe building! Donald K Really enjoy the daily boost it gives me. Walter S In the last 18 months I have been privileged to listen & ask. I have learnt at the feet of the masters... Stewart G You set the standard on how Internet forums should be run and managed. Larry W The Universe is a better place because of you. Eric J [The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and make my systems better. I continue to get and give information through these lists. Ralph C ..another GREAT year of advice, answers, and inspiration courtesy of the Lists and your hard work!!!! Rob B ..the best forum on the Internet! Robert B I can't tell you how grateful I am for your list and your subscribers to keep me up to date and holding the dream. Ashley M This page makes it easy to contribute. Jeffrey P Thank you for your expertise in creating & running the much useful lists! Anthony P Thanks for providing our advertising free on line community. George R Thanks for maintaining the equipment and software to provide this valuable source of information to us individuals. Your effort is appreciated by many more people than you realize. Ross H Thanks for a great site. Although the project is complete and flying I still get a wealth of information from all the messages. Marcus C Only learned about you six months ago...my RV-7A is just finished, but the list has been helpful. Wish I had discovered you sooner. Jack B This is an invaluable communications media for us common minded folks to exchange technical and other information. George H ..great service that you provide. David W ..still appreciate your list. Alain L [The] Lists are an invaluable resource. I know that it has helped me enormously in my project. William B ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its my 46th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of the really nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you to all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 12, 2009
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Demo Ride in a RV-7A or RV-9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A
Greetings: Looking at buying a completed RV-7A or 9A or partner with somebody to build one. Anybody in the Southern Calif Area who is willing to give a Demo Ride. Will pay for gas. I am 6' 5" and wonder if there is enough room for a long legged guy. (Finished building the empennage of a RV-8A, but could not complete the rest of the Kit for various reasons.) Live in Santa Monica. Local airport is Santa Monica (KSMO) Thanks, Garey Wittich (310) 392-1682 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 12, 2009
Subject: Re: Demo Ride in a RV-7A or RV-9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A
From: Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk(at)gmail.com>
Garey, no doubt you will discover this for yourself..... I am a tad under 5' 11", and was always bumping my head on the canopy. I am taller in the torso than leg evidently. The thickness of the cushion is crucial, as is having the lap belts snug always. I found that having the seat back in the forward position of the bottom hinge, and the top reclined as far as possible, gave me the most headroom. You'll want a headset with a slim top band, or none at all ( Halo ). The downside is, the stick is then right in your crotch, so no room for a 5 point strap there. If you build, you could use a curved stick for more room there. The rudder pedals in full forward are likely far enough for most guys; I have to move mine closer to the seat, as I can't deflect fully. best of luck, sorry but I am not near you, and my plane is grounded right now. Perry Yaremchuk West Kelowna BC Canada On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Garey Wittich wrote: > Greetings: > Looking at buying a completed RV-7A or 9A or partner with somebody to build > one. Anybody in the Southern Calif Area who is willing to give a Demo Ride. > Will pay for gas. I am 6' 5" and wonder if there is enough room for a long > legged guy. > (Finished building the empennage of a RV-8A, but could not complete the rest > of the Kit for various reasons.) > Live in Santa Monica. Local airport is Santa Monica (KSMO) > Thanks, Garey Wittich > (310) 392-1682 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Demo Ride in a RV-7A or RV-9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A
Date: Dec 12, 2009
From: "Streiker, Stephen D." <steve(at)streiker.com>
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Date: Dec 13, 2009
From: Dennis Thomas <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Demo Ride in a RV-7A or RV-9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A
Would you like to fly an RV-9, tail-dragger. I'm in Watsonville and would sell mine.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Garey Wittic h =0ATo: rv7-list(at)matronics.com; rv9-list@matro nics.com=0ASent: Sat, December 12, 2009 1:40:27 PM=0ASubject: RV9-List: Dem o Ride in a RV-7A or RV-9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A=0A=0A=0AGreetings:=0A=0ALookin g at buying a completed RV-7A or 9A or partner with somebody to build one. Anybody in the Southern Calif Area who is willing to give a Demo Ride. Wi ll pay for gas. I am 6' 5" and wonder if there is enough room for a long l egged guy.=0A=0A(Finished building the empennage of a RV-8A, but could not complete the rest of the Kit for various reasons.)=0A=0ALive in Santa Monic a. Local airport is Santa Monica (KSMO)=0A=0AThanks, Garey Wittich=0A =================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 21, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 2009 List of Contributors
Dear Listers, The 2009 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible. Their generous contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running. You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I also want to thank Bob, Jon, Andy, and John for their generous support through the supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites: Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com John Caldwell - HowToCrimp - www.howtocrimp.com And finally, I'm proud to present The 2009 Fund Raiser List of Contributors: http://www.matronics.com/loc/2009.html Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 04, 2010
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Demo Ride in RV-7A or 9A / Buy RV-7A or 9A
Greetings & Happy New Year: Anybody will to give me a "Demo Ride" in their RV-7A or 9A ???? Willing to pay for your gas. I am located next to Santa Monica Airport (KSMO) Looking to buy a "completed" RV-7A or 9A (assuming I fit in one - as 6' 5"" ) Do you know of one for sale ?? Thanks, Garey Witich ( CFI, MEI ) Santa Monica, CA (310) 392-1682 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 24, 2010
Subject: RV-9A For Sale
From: emduiven emduiven <emduiven(at)chaffee.net>
RV-9A available due to loss of owner's medical. Aircraft has 95 hours on it. Flys beautifully. Pictures tell it all. Since I am on the road most of the time please e-mail me for additional details. Aircraft has not been flown for a year. Is hangered and has been well maintained. Annual due and will be performed prior to sale. Mike Duiven N711ED emduiven(at)chaffee.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2010
From: ron(at)architechnique.com
Subject: [Auto-Reply] RV9-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/31/10
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Date: Apr 01, 2010
From: ron(at)architechnique.com
Subject: [Auto-Reply] RV9-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/31/10
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Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: ron(at)architechnique.com
Subject: [Auto-Reply] RV9-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/07/10
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Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: ron(at)architechnique.com
Subject: [Auto-Reply] RV9-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/08/10
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Date: Apr 10, 2010
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Anybody need an "Extra Hand" in building their RV ??
Greetings: I have time to help someone on their Project. I have completed building the RV-8A empennage ( Acid etched, Alodined and Mil Epoxy Primed the interior skins and assembled) and have run out of room to continue building. Have tools to help someone on their Project. I am a retired electrical engineer and have designed my own Electrical System for the RV. Also designed an "Pilot Aux Warning System" that monitors Vans analog engine gauges and provides a Warning for - "Low Fuel", "Hi Oil Temp", "Low Voltage", etc Spent many ours researching the best way to do things on Matronics from other Builders. Hoped to use this info on my Project, but ran out of room to build, thus hoping to share ideas and help someone on their "Project". Garey Wittich (CFI, MEI) Santa Monica, CA (310) 392-1682 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 21, 2010
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Dynon A/P
During flight test the roll control develops divergent oscillation in headi ng regardless of sensitivity level selected. =C2- Anyone else experience this. Altitude hold works great with minimal searching. John Kerr ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: Dynon A/P
Date: Jun 21, 2010
Sounds like the servo is reversed. I had divergent oscillation in altitude until I snipped the little wire that controls direction on a trutrak. I failed to check it correctly on the ground and missed it until I test flew it. Wayne From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna(at)comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: RV9-List: Dynon A/P During flight test the roll control develops divergent oscillation in heading regardless of sensitivity level selected. Anyone else experience this. Altitude hold works great with minimal searching. John Kerr 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker(at)optonline.net>
Subject: How to get to several rivets?
I have just (almost) completed riveting the forward top skin on my RV9A Slider. However, I am at a loss as to how to rivet these three locations on each side. The back side of the rivets are buried under the railing and none of the bucking bars I have will reach any of them. What has everyone done to set these rivets? -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, however, that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily inconvenienced. -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Nippert" <markn(at)fulcrumcorp.com>
Subject: Re: How to get to several rivets?
Date: Jul 18, 2010
I will be out of town through Thursday July 22. I will respond to your email as soon as possible. Regards Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: How to get to several rivets?
At 08:04 PM 7/18/2010 Sunday, Richard E. Tasker wrote: >I have just (almost) completed riveting the forward top skin on my RV9A Slider. However, I am at a loss as to how to rivet these three locations on each side. The back side of the rivets are buried under the railing and none of the bucking bars I have will reach any of them. What has everyone done to set these rivets? Hi Richard, Use some CherryMax CR3214! Done. Here's a write up I did on using these on my RV-8 Project: http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8%26project=638%26category=2973%26log=94469%26row=192 and http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8%26&project=638%26category=2973%26log=94470%26row=191 Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: Redoing Wheelpants & Oil Door... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: How to get to several rivets? (w/ Links That Work!)
At 08:04 PM 7/18/2010 Sunday, Richard E. Tasker wrote: >I have just (almost) completed riveting the forward top skin on my RV9A Slider. However, I am at a loss as to how to rivet these three locations on each side. The back side of the rivets are buried under the railing and none of the bucking bars I have will reach any of them. What has everyone done to set these rivets? Hi Richard, Use some CherryMax CR3214! Done. Here's a write up I did on using these on my RV-8 Project: http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=94469&row=192 and http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=94470&row=191 Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: Redoing Wheelpants & Oil Door... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker(at)optonline.net>
Subject: Re: How to get to several rivets? (w/ Links That Work!)
Thanks, Matt. I knew there was probably some sort of pulled solution but didn't know what. I will order some tonight and then the forward top skin will be done! Dick Tasker Matt Dralle wrote: > --> RV9-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > --> RV9-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > At 08:04 PM 7/18/2010 Sunday, Richard E. Tasker wrote: > >> I have just (almost) completed riveting the forward top skin on my RV9A Slider. However, I am at a loss as to how to rivet these three locations on each side. The back side of the rivets are buried under the railing and none of the bucking bars I have will reach any of them. What has everyone done to set these rivets? >> > Hi Richard, > > Use some CherryMax CR3214! Done. > > Here's a write up I did on using these on my RV-8 Project: > > http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=94469&row=192 > > and > > http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=94470&row=191 > > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: Redoing Wheelpants& Oil Door... > > > -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, however, that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily inconvenienced. -- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 13, 2010
From: John Harris <johnharris(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: unsuscribe
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Date: Oct 28, 2010
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Volunteer my time to help you build your RV
I have time to help someone on their Project. I have completed the building of my RV-8A empennage (Acid Etched, Alodined and Mil Epoxy Primered the interior skins and assembled all parts) and have run out of room to continue building. I am a retired electrical engineer and have designed my own Electrical System, Instr Panel, etc. Have tools to help you, if needed. Hoping to work with somebody to help them finish their "Project". I have the "itch" to continue building, but no room to proceed. (This is NOT spam !!) Garey Wittich (CFI, MEI) Santa Monica, CA (310) 392-1682 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: RV 9A
Date: Oct 31, 2010
Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have. Can anyone advise me? Thanks Gary Pennington ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: this site is an unbiased testing group
Date: Oct 31, 2010
From: jimsablast(at)aol.com
Hello, The following like goes to an independent site that reports on the airplan e related testing. It is report on an RV-9a. I believe it is as an unbiase d test and report as I have ever found. I hope the link works. http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:0KT_WE4H9xEJ:cafefoundation. org/v2/pdf_cafe_apr/rv-9a.pdf+RV+site:cafefoundation.org&hl=en&gl=us&p id=bl&srcid=ADGEEShToQXrz_PRJ_0pjKSC_YXlkGRHMkImmvpZQCtuVN__JoUFuTe-xe RB07qHrm9ZOI9APC0R7F9kj2rYH2XJS9dGQdd5H8bjeyUYW1T7Kzd4wCYU0W1Z9Viwk7Ktx8mS Pn7x5ifL&sig=AHIEtbTEEfXMLnbMhALLIq1WWpJzuZLpVg Enjoy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2010
Subject: Re: RV 9A
From: Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk(at)gmail.com>
Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: > Hello everyone > I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, > cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks > they may have. > > Can anyone advise me? > Thanks > Gary Pennington > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2010
Subject: Re: RV 9A
From: Matthew Schlegel <nite97m(at)gmail.com>
Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info http://www.schlegelhome.info On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk wrote: > Hi Gary, > I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. > I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. > first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we > can respond whether the -9a does it well. > otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a > -7" > is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be > just a few knots slower. > One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no > headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in > the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop > an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. > I guess you could call that > 'compromise #1' > I'll try to comment further later. > thx > Perry > 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: > >> Hello everyone >> I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, >> cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks >> they may have. >> >> Can anyone advise me? >> Thanks >> Gary Pennington >> >> * >> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: this site is an unbiased testing group
Date: Oct 31, 2010
Thank you for your response. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsablast(at)aol.com<mailto:jimsablast(at)aol.com> To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: RV9-List: this site is an unbiased testing group Hello, The following like goes to an independent site that reports on the airplane related testing. It is report on an RV-9a. I believe it is as an unbiased test and report as I have ever found. I hope the link works. http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:0KT_WE4H9xEJ:cafefoundation .org/v2/pdf_cafe_apr/rv-9a.pdf+RV+site:cafefoundation.org&hl=en&gl=us &pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShToQXrz_PRJ_0pjKSC_YXlkGRHMkImmvpZQCtuVN__JoUFuTe -xeRB07qHrm9ZOI9APC0R7F9kj2rYH2XJS9dGQdd5H8bjeyUYW1T7Kzd4wCYU0W1Z9Viwk7Kt x8mSPn7x5ifL&sig=AHIEtbTEEfXMLnbMhALLIq1WWpJzuZLpVg<http://docs.google. com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:0KT_WE4H9xEJ:cafefoundation.org/v2/pdf_cafe_ap r/rv-9a.pdf+RV+site:cafefoundation.org&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=A DGEEShToQXrz_PRJ_0pjKSC_YXlkGRHMkImmvpZQCtuVN__JoUFuTe-xeRB07qHrm9ZOI9APC 0R7F9kj2rYH2XJS9dGQdd5H8bjeyUYW1T7Kzd4wCYU0W1Z9Viwk7Ktx8mSPn7x5ifL&sig= AHIEtbTEEfXMLnbMhALLIq1WWpJzuZLpVg> Enjoy http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List gator?RV9-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: RV 9A
Date: Oct 31, 2010
Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel<mailto:nite97m(at)gmail.com> To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info> http://www.schlegelhome.info> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk > wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON > wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have. Can anyone advise me? Thanks Gary Pennington et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List onics.com/Navigator?RV9-List> tp://forums.matronics.com<http://forums.matronics.com/> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ntribution> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution www.aeroelectric.com<http://www.aeroelectric.com/> www.buildersbooks.com<http://www.buildersbooks.com/> www.homebuilthelp.com<http://www.homebuilthelp.com/> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List gator?RV9-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: RV 9A
Date: Oct 31, 2010
Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel <mailto:nite97m(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info http://www.schlegelhome.info On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have. Can anyone advise me? Thanks Gary Pennington et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: PLEASE READ - List Fund Raiser Kickoff!
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From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: RV 9A
Date: Nov 01, 2010
Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne<mailto:wowens(at)darientel.net> To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel<mailto:nite97m(at)gmail.com> To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info> http://www.schlegelhome.info> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk > wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON > wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have. Can anyone advise me? Thanks Gary Pennington et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List onics.com/Navigator?RV9-List>tp://forums.matronics.com<http://forums.matr onics.com/>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution nics.com/contribution> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-Listtp://forums.matr onics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comtitle=http://w ww.buildersbooks.com/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http:/ /www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.comhref="http://www.matronics .com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-Listhref= "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www. matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-Listhttp ://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2010
Subject: Re: RV 9A
From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com>
Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: > Good morning > I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. > Thanks for the info. > Gary Pennington > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Wayne > *To:* rv9-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV9-List: RV 9A > > Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend > today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under > the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. > > Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it > will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm > leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. > > The tip up has much better access to the avionics. > > > *From:* owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *GARY PENNINGTON > *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM > *To:* rv9-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A > > > Hello Perry > > Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in > the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. > > Thanks again > > Gary Pennington > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Matthew Schlegel > > *To:* rv9-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM > > *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A > > > Hi Perry, > > > Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to > start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design > choices and such along the way. > > > Matthew > Blue Skies & Soft Landings > > http://www.mattshangar.info > > http://www.schlegelhome.info > > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk > wrote: > > Hi Gary, > I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. > I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. > first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we > can respond whether the -9a does it well. > otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a > -7" > is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be > just a few knots slower. > One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no > headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in > the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop > an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. > I guess you could call that > 'compromise #1' > I'll try to comment further later. > thx > Perry > 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: > > Hello everyone > > I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, > cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks > they may have. > > > Can anyone advise me? > > Thanks > > Gary Pennington > > * * > > * * > > *et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > *et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com* > > *title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com* > > *href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > *www.buildersbooks.com* > > *www.homebuilthelp.com* > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2010
From: Dennis Thomas <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV 9A
Hi Gary, Dan is absolutely correct. The 9 and 7 use the same fuselage. Since you are sitting on the floor of the cabin on a cushion the thickness of the cushion is about the only way you can gain headroom. We have had discussion about fitting the tip up canopy. It comes to requiring quite a bit of trimming and fitting. If headroom is an issue you would want to be sure to trim very carefully. Good Luck, Dennis Thomas RV-9, N164DV 565 hours ________________________________ From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 6:49:31 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: Good morning >I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. >Thanks for the info. >Gary Pennington >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Wayne >>To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com >>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM >>Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A >> >> >>Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend >>today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under >>the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. >>Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it >>will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm >>leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. >>The tip up has much better access to the avionics. >> >> >>From:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON >>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM >>To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A >> >>Hello Perry >>Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in >>the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. >> >>Thanks again >>Gary Pennington >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From:Matthew Schlegel >>>To:rv9-list(at)matronics.com >>>Sent:Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM >>>Subject:Re: RV9-List: RV 9A >>> >>>Hi Perry, >>> >>>Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready >>>to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with >>>design choices and such along the way. >>> >>>Matthew >>>Blue Skies & Soft Landings >>>http://www.mattshangar.info >>>http://www.schlegelhome.info >>> >>> >>> >>>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk >>>wrote: >>>Hi Gary, >>>I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. >>>I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. >>>first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we >>>can respond whether the -9a does it well. >>>otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a >>>-7" >>>is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be >>>just a few knots slower. >>>One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no >>>headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in >>>the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop >>>an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. >>> >>>I guess you could call that >>>'compromise #1' >>>I'll try to comment further later. >>>thx >>>Perry >>>0-320 w/ Sensenich fp >>>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON >wrote: >>>Hello everyone >>>>I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, >>>>cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little >>>>quirks they may have. >>>> >>>>Can anyone advise me? >>>>Thanks >>>>Gary Pennington >>>> >>>> >>>>et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >>>>tp://forums.matronics.com >>>>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >>>tp://forums.matronics.com >>>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >>>title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ >>>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >>>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >>> >>>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >>www.aeroelectric.com >>www.buildersbooks.com >>www.homebuilthelp.com >>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >>http://forums.matronics.com > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributionet="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne" <wowens(at)darientel.net>
Subject: RV 9A
Date: Nov 01, 2010
Just thought of another difference. I leave my seat leaned all the way back and have lots of head room. Wayne From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Thomas Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:19 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary, Dan is absolutely correct. The 9 and 7 use the same fuselage. Since you are sitting on the floor of the cabin on a cushion the thickness of the cushion is about the only way you can gain headroom. We have had discussion about fitting the tip up canopy. It comes to requiring quite a bit of trimming and fitting. If headroom is an issue you would want to be sure to trim very carefully. Good Luck, Dennis Thomas RV-9, N164DV 565 hours _____ From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 6:49:31 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne <mailto:wowens(at)darientel.net> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel <mailto:nite97m(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info http://www.schlegelhome.info On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have. Can anyone advise me? 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From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: RV 9A
Date: Nov 01, 2010
Hello Dan Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse. Thanks Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bergeron<mailto:dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com> To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:49 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON > wrote: Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne<mailto:wowens(at)darientel.net> To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel<mailto:nite97m(at)gmail.com> To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info> http://www.schlegelhome.info> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk > wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON > wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have. Can anyone advise me? 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Date: Nov 01, 2010
From: Steve Koziol <biovail2001(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV 9A
Hi all.- - Here is another take on this thread and some details of my craft.- I have an RV 9A with just over a 100 hours on her.--She has the following set up. - - Slider canopy -Rudder pedals set in middle section -Seats are from Classic Aero Design.- I am 6'1" 230lb and-use one of th eir booster seats for proper fit. -Seat is positioned in rear most hinge position and I do not use the bracke t that attaches to the rear of Vans seat.- I have about 2 inches of head room.- - Yes, I have banged my head in rough air, so here is a thought that may help .- I would suggest putting in a 5 harness seat belt system in place.- T he crouch strap should minimize any vertical motion and keep ones head from hitting the canopy.- I have a 4 harness system and it is fine but not pe rfect.- (Hooker Harness) - Best of luck and hope some of these facts help with your decisions. - Steve Koziol N424JK 100 + and 1 year flying --- On Mon, 11/1/10, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: From: GARY PENNINGTON <pennington(at)q.com> Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 6:53 PM Hello Dan Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse. Thanks Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bergeron Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:49 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: -I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for diff erences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). -I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf sea ts (they're great). -Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head r oom. -My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she cou ld see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. -(Boo ster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pai n." - My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to H ilton Head, SC.) - Leg room is another issue. -I set the rudder pedal a ssembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. -However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: -His head was just tou ching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. -Even -with the ru dders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. -With a differe nt seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into c omfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 - -- On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend to day who is six- feet one- and had the booster cushion on his side under the- comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior- engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. - - From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A - Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A - Hi Perry, - Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? -I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with desi gn choices and such along the way. - Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info http://www.schlegelhome.info On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk wrot e: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we c an respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroo m. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the se at bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an in ch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. 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From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)painttheweb.com>
Date: Nov 01, 2010
Subject: RV 9A
Another option to maximize headroom is to consider a headband less (if that is a word) headset. This will give you either side of an inch of additional space. Also as mentioned before reclining the seat helps as well. Robin [image: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/11-05794.gif] *From:* owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Koziol *Sent:* Monday, November 01, 2010 7:56 PM *To:* rv9-list(at)matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi all. Here is another take on this thread and some details of my craft. I have an RV 9A with just over a 100 hours on her. She has the following set up. - Slider canopy -Rudder pedals set in middle section -Seats are from Classic Aero Design. I am 6'1" 230lb and use one of their booster seats for proper fit. -Seat is positioned in rear most hinge position and I do not use the bracket that attaches to the rear of Vans seat. I have about 2 inches of head room. Yes, I have banged my head in rough air, so here is a thought that may help. I would suggest putting in a 5 harness seat belt system in place. The crouch strap should minimize any vertical motion and keep ones head from hitting the canopy. I have a 4 harness system and it is fine but not perfect. (Hooker Harness) Best of luck and hope some of these facts help with your decisions. Steve Koziol N424JK 100 + and 1 year flying --- On *Mon, 11/1/10, GARY PENNINGTON * wrote: From: GARY PENNINGTON <pennington(at)q.com> Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 6:53 PM Hello Dan Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse. Thanks Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Dan Bergeron<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dan.pat.b@gmail.com> *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com> *Sent:* Monday, November 01, 2010 6:49 AM *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pennington@q.com>> wrote: Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Wayne<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wowens@darientel.net> *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com> *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM *Subject:* RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. *From:* owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *GARY PENNINGTON *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com> *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Matthew Schlegel<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nite97m@gmail.com> *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com> *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info http://www.schlegelhome.info On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=payaremchuk@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pennington@q.com>> wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have. Can anyone advise me? 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From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: RV 9A
Date: Nov 02, 2010
Good idea Robin. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks<mailto:Robin(at)painttheweb.com> To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Another option to maximize headroom is to consider a headband less (if that is a word) headset. This will give you either side of an inch of additional space. Also as mentioned before reclining the seat helps as well. Robin From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Koziol Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 7:56 PM To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi all. Here is another take on this thread and some details of my craft. I have an RV 9A with just over a 100 hours on her. She has the following set up. - Slider canopy -Rudder pedals set in middle section -Seats are from Classic Aero Design. I am 6'1" 230lb and use one of their booster seats for proper fit. -Seat is positioned in rear most hinge position and I do not use the bracket that attaches to the rear of Vans seat. I have about 2 inches of head room. Yes, I have banged my head in rough air, so here is a thought that may help. I would suggest putting in a 5 harness seat belt system in place. The crouch strap should minimize any vertical motion and keep ones head from hitting the canopy. I have a 4 harness system and it is fine but not perfect. (Hooker Harness) Best of luck and hope some of these facts help with your decisions. Steve Koziol N424JK 100 + and 1 year flying --- On Mon, 11/1/10, GARY PENNINGTON > wrote: From: GARY PENNINGTON > Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 6:53 PM Hello Dan Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse. Thanks Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bergeron<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dan.pat.b@gmail.c om> To: rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9 -list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:49 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=penningt on(at)q.com>> wrote: Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wowens@darientel.net > To: rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9 -list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/com pose?to=owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.co m/mc/compose?to=owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com>] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM To: rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9 -list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nite97m@gmail.com > To: rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9 -list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info> http://www.schlegelhome.info> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pay aremchuk(at)gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=penningt on(at)q.com>> wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have. Can anyone advise me? 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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: November List Fund Raiser
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Subject: Re: November List Fund Raiser
From: Robbie Attaway <robbie(at)attawayair.com>
Date: Nov 03, 2010
Hi Matt, I have tried to remove my email address several time with no success. Please remove it. Thanks for everything. Robbie On Nov 3, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, they will instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple. > > I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. > > Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites. > > If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Thank you! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Reminder
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Date: Nov 05, 2010
Subject: Re: RV 9A
From: Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk(at)gmail.com>
Hi Matthew, It's a slider. I did not build it, so can't comment on that much....but I can say that every minute spent installing nutplates saves maintenance hours later. There are WAAAY too many philips head screws to remove at annual! apparently the slider is a bear to fit, and cutting the canopy can give some problems. You really have to fly or at least ride in as many RV;s as you can, and take lots of photos and notes. For instance, - gee, that guy has his GPS way over there, out of reach, and the glare makes it unreadable. - if that silly glove box weren't there, you could put another MFD for the co-pilot, or a nice digital radio/audio panel. - where the heck do you put your water bottle for long cross countries? - I'd like to put a bike in the back...is a tip-up really better? etc. will try to dig up some pics if that helps. Perry On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Matthew Schlegel wrote: > Hi Perry, > > Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to > start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design > choices and such along the way. > > Matthew > Blue Skies & Soft Landings > http://www.mattshangar.info > http://www.schlegelhome.info > > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk wrote: > >> Hi Gary, >> I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. >> I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. >> first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we >> can respond whether the -9a does it well. >> otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a >> -7" >> is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to >> be just a few knots slower. >> One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no >> headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in >> the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop >> an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. >> I guess you could call that >> 'compromise #1' >> I'll try to comment further later. >> thx >> Perry >> 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp >> >> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone >>> I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, >>> cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks >>> they may have. >>> >>> Can anyone advise me? >>> Thanks >>> Gary Pennington >>> >>> * >>> >>> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
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Subject: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution
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Date: Nov 11, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Support The Lists...
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution...
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments...
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Subject: Re: RV9-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/15/10
From: Charles Mifsud <ctmifsud(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Nov 17, 2010
Please unsubscribe me from email list Charles Mifsud On 16/11/2010, at 6:59 PM, RV9-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV9-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV9-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-11-15&Archive=RV9 > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-11-15&Archive=RV9 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV9-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 11/15/10: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 0. 12:33 AM - List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle) > > > > ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ > > > From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> > Subject: RV9-List: List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments... > > > Dear Listers, > > I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List > Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them over > and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums. > > Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation > of these services. > > There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and > pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution. > > Contribution Web Site: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Or drop a personal check in the mail to: > > Matt Dralle / Matronics > 581 Jeannie Way > Livermore CA 94550 > > Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! > > Best regards, > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > You are providing a great service. Thanks so very much. > David L > > Keep up the good work! A great website - wish I'd found it earlier! > Bob S > > Thanks for providing a site for information. > Jim S > > Thanks again for providing a great service to our community! > Alex M > > Thanks and keep up the good work! > Robert B. > > Great forum! > David S > > Thanks for providing the Kolb List for the last 12 years. > John H > > Long time lurker, it's a great resource...many thanks. > Ian C > > Your work and effort are greatly appreciated. > Nicolas L > > Thank you very much for keeping the list going! > Svein J > > Thank you for your support to the community. > Valin T > > I am a long time subscriber and a slow builder because of > work and two moves, but still enjoy the process and your > list. > CL M > > Thanks for providing this service. It can't be beat! > Thomas W > > I'm no longer a builder or flier but I like to keep in touch with > the List - which is the best organised list I've seen on the Internet. > Gerry C > > Matt, you are doing a GREAT service to the community of KOLB > Builders and Flyers. > John B > > I've been flying for almost two years and still find these Lists as a great > resource for information.....now I get to answer a question once-in-a-while too. > Ralph C > > Thanks for this great service. > Dale E > > I couldn't keep on building without the support I get from this List. > Thomas S > > This is a great service to all of us. > Michael W > > I am no longer actively building, but I really like to keep up with what's > going on, and I especially like to follow Bob Nuckolls - and your RV-8. > Terrence W > > I really appreciate your work and consider the lists to be a great value. > Christopher R > > Thanks Matt for a great resource! > Geoff T > > Many thanks for providing this service. I love it. > William V > > One of the best Internet Deals going... > Owen B > > Thanks for the great site. > Danny S > > A valuable resource. > George A > > Thanks for running a great list. > Ted P > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's My Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers, Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki. But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the best investments you can make in your Sport... List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few Days Left; Well Behind Last Year...
Dear Listers, There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser. Response has been good so far, but we're well behind last year at this point. If you've been waiting until the last minute to make your Contribution, now might be good time to show your support and maybe pick up a nice gift as well! Please remember that there is no commercial advertising on these Lists and the *only* means of keeping them running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. If it weren't for your individual Contributions, these Lists could easily become economically infeasible and simply cease to exist. You probably can't even take the family out to dinner for $20 these days, but your individual Contribution of the same amount makes a huge difference in keeping the List services alive. Please make a Contribution today with a Credit Card or Paypal: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in
December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Test Flight Video - Part 1 - Takeoff...
After 23 months and 2400 hours of building, RV-8 N998RV took to the air for the very first time on May 3 2010. As one would hope with any test flight, it was uneventful and a pleasure to fly. This Part I of my RV-8 Test Flight documents the startup, taxi out, take off, and the first circuit around the airport. The trip to Oregon the week before to fly with Mike Seager was the best money I spent on the project. During the video, listen for the tower calling out "Eight Romeo Victor" which is the call sign for my aircraft - N998RV. The audio mix is from the cockpit including the music, tower, and my various comments during the flight. As of November 20 2010, I have about 124 hours total time on the RV-8. It just gets more and more fun to fly! The Lycoming IO-390 and Constant Speed Prop are a sweet combination on the RV-8! The triple Grand Rapids HX EFIS installation along with the Vertical Power VP-200 electrical system and TruTrak two-axis Autopilot have also performed flawlessly. I highly recommend these fine products. Finally, if you've been debating on whether to install an entertainment system in your project, don't hesitate! The PS Engineering 3000 Stereo intercom, Kenwood DNX8150, and the Bose X headsets are an incredibly sweet combination that make those long cross countries just fly by! Passengers love having the secondary LCD screen in the pilot's headrest and high-fidelity entertainment as well. The Kenwood's Garmin GPS Map display is also a big hit with the passengers as they can follow along in standard "car-style" navigation context. Be sure to check out Part II of this video which documents slow flight testing and landing configuration testing, a couple more circuits around the airport, landing, taxi back, and returning to the hangar. This Video is in full 1080p HDTV, so be sure to select a viewing resolution that works with your computer and is higher than the standard 360p default. At least the 760p mode, for example. And don't forget to try full-screen mode for the most impact! http://www.youtube.com/user/MattsRV8#p/u/0/06MBqaaXFwQ Enjoy, Matt PS - Yeah, I know it took a few months to get this video out. I've been flying the RV-8 so much, I didn't have time to edit! :-) - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 124+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Test Flight Video - Part 2 - Landing...
This Part II of my RV-8 Test Flight documents slow flight testing and landing configuration testing, a couple more circuits around the airport, landing, taxi back, and returning to the hangar. Note that on the taxi back, the windsock is almost a direct crosswind at about 10 knots as I recall. Makes me even more proud of that first landing, and the fact that I put it right down on the numbers! Be sure to check out Part I of this video which documents the startup, taxi out, take off, and first circuit around the field. This Video is in full 1080p HDTV, so be sure to select a viewing resolution that works with your computer and is higher than the standard 360p default. At least the 760p mode, for example. And don't forget to try full-screen mode for the most impact! http://www.youtube.com/user/MattsRV8#p/u/1/2b4C8fb-XAc Enjoy, Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 124+ Hours TTSN - The Fun Never Stops... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Contributions Down By 17%...
Dear Listers, As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind last year at this time by roughly 17%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to keep the expenses paid. I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of hours. All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the continuation of these services: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution...
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums. The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit card, Paypal, or a personal check: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Are You Thankful For...?
Dear Listers, Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed upon us. Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like, "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!! Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for their continued operation and upgrade? The List Contribution Site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...
Dear Listers, Curiously, even though the number of List subscriptions are significantly up this year, support during this year's Fund Raiser is still substantially behind last year. There are only a couple more days left in November and the end of the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching. I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of income might be required including some sort of advertising. Please don't let that happen! Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping the operation a float. Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in December. The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments...
Dear Listers, There are just three days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. Won't you take a monment and make a quick Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation of these Forum services. I've received some more really nice comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions, and I've share a few below. There are some sweet gifts available this year, so browse the selections and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution. Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ------------------------------------------------------- Great resource, keep it coming... Marten V. Thanks for maintaining these essential lists! Rumen D. Great Service! Douglas D. Thanks for this great service! Peter T. Thanks for your enduring support of homebuilding communications! Daniel M. You do a great job and provide a valuable service. Mark B. It's really a great source I have used a lot. Robert K. Reading the RV-10 list is part of my morning routine... Perry C. Great job running these lists. Edward T. Thanks for doing a tough job. Mic T. Your List was such a great resource for me when I built in "98". Ron V. Its a very useful forum. Dave F. Really enjoy your list... William D. Great service, Gerald T. The list still is a valuable source of information and there are many worthwhile postings. Graham H. The list has seen me through an RV-9A, RV-10, and now an RV-12. Albert G. Thanks for a great resource! Barry H. Thank you for maintaining this excellent site. Bill W. The Matronics Email list are an invaluable service. William C. I appreciate the RV-10 list. Vijay P. Thanks for a great list and all of the work you do. Ian W. Thanks for keeping up this very useful list. George R. The list is excellent and I find it very handy for any problems I come up against during construction. Greg W. The lists are an important part of my day. I've met lots of people and made lots of friends. Dave S. It's really a great source I haved used a lot. Robert K. I read the Pietenpol List everyday. PF B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed!
Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner with just two more days in this year's Fund Raiser! Later in December I will post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists this year. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its my 47th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you to all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 07, 2010
From: gbrasch(at)earthlink.net
Subject: 0201+- Special offer!
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Date: Dec 14, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 2010 List of Contributors
Dear Listers, The 2010 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible. Their generous contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running. You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I also want to thank Bob, Jon, and Andy for their generous support through the supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites: Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com And finally, I'm proud to present The 2010 Fund Raiser List of Contributors: http://www.matronics.com/loc/2010.html Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: CS - XCA high speed runway Tests
Date: Dec 19, 2010
Here you can see the high speed runway Tests made with my RV-9A last Friday 17th of December, some minutes before the real First Flight. (Please forgive the video quality, which is not that good) You may try to translate the communications (in Portuguese) . :-) <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs6HW6yZL4M> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs6HW6yZL4M As soon as I finish editing the real First Flight video, I will post it. Carlos Trigo RV-9A with Eggenfellner Subaru H-6 Flying . ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV9-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/31/10
From: kent(at)cybermesa.com
Date: Jan 01, 2011
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: RV9-List Digest Server <rv9-list(at)matronics.com> Sender: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:59:06 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV9-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV9-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-12-31&Archive=RV9 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-12-31&Archive=RV9 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV9-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/31/10: 0 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV9-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/31/10
From: kent(at)cybermesa.com
Date: Jan 01, 2011
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: RV9-List Digest Server <rv9-list(at)matronics.com> Sender: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:59:06 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV9-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV9-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-12-31&Archive=RV9 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-12-31&Archive=RV9 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV9-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/31/10: 0 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rivet Squeezer for sale
From: "Jdaniel343" <Jdaniel343(at)bresnan.net>
Date: Feb 03, 2011
I have a Chicago Pnuematic Rivet Sqeezer for sale. I has a 1 yoke that is included. See photo http://s767.photobucket.com/albums/xx317/Jdaniel343/?action=view¤t=IMG_6408.jpg Asking $300 obo. Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329470#329470 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2011
From: ron(at)architechnique.com
Subject: [Auto-Reply] RV9-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/07/11
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Date: Feb 09, 2011
From: ron(at)architechnique.com
Subject: [Auto-Reply] RV9-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/08/11
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Date: Feb 10, 2011
From: ron(at)architechnique.com
Subject: [Auto-Reply] RV9-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/09/11
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Subject: FS: Vetterman Exhaust
Date: Feb 23, 2011
From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil>
Listers - I have a new Vetterman Crossover exhaust for RV-6/7/8/9 with Superior IO-360 & Cold Air Induction that I won't be using. Includes gaskets and Robbin's Wings heat muff. $900, shipped CONUS. Neal 850-218-4838 Capt Neal George 505TRS/DOJ Hurlburt Field, FL 32544 850-884-7165 DSN 579 ________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Your friend retchel has recommended this great product from
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From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 08, 2011
Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 08, 2011
Yeah It seems nobody uses this list. I joined some years ago, and I never saw any important =93movement=94 here. I still monitor it, but I already finished building my -9A, which is now in flight tests. Regards Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny > Sent: ter=E7a-feira, 8 de Mar=E7o de 2011 18:44 > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV9-List: Anyone here? > > > Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I > rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus... > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 08, 2011
But where did everyone go? When I was last here (before divorce and a few moves), these lists were a pretty busy place to exchange information... Now they seem pretty dead, except for the -10 list, which has a few posts a day? So, where did everyone go??? It can't be that quiet because of the economy, which everyone seems to blame for everything these days... On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > Yeah > It seems nobody uses this list. > > I joined some years ago, and I never saw any important =93movement=94 > here. > I still monitor it, but I already finished building my -9A, which is > now in flight tests. > > Regards > Carlos > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny > > Sent: ter=E7a-feira, 8 de Mar=E7o de 2011 18:44 > > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: RV9-List: Anyone here? > > > > > > Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I > > rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus... > > > > ========== > > RV9-List Email Forum - > > browse > > Un/Subscription, > > FAQ, > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > > > ========== > > bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > Forums! > > > > > > > > ========== > > bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - > > > > bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ========== > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com>
Subject: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 08, 2011
Most of the activity is on www.vansairforce.com From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 2:10 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Anyone here? But where did everyone go? When I was last here (before divorce and a few moves), these lists were a pretty busy place to exchange information... Now they seem pretty dead, except for the -10 list, which has a few posts a day? So, where did everyone go??? It can't be that quiet because of the economy, which everyone seems to blame for everything these days... On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: Yeah It seems nobody uses this list. I joined some years ago, and I never saw any important =93movement=94 here. I still monitor it, but I already finished building my -9A, which is now in flight tests. Regards Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny > Sent: ter=E7a-feira, 8 de Mar=E7o de 2011 18:44 > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV9-List: Anyone here? > > > Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I > rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus... > > ========== > RV9-List Email Forum - > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > ========== > bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > Forums! > > > > ========== > bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - > > bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 08, 2011
From: JOHN TIPTON <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com>
Subject: Anyone here?
Dont worry Carlos, we are with you on the rvsqn john --- On Tue, 8/3/11, Carlos Trigo wrote: > From: Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> > Subject: RE: RV9-List: Anyone here? > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, 8 March, 2011, 19:03 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah > > It seems nobody uses > this list. > > > > > I joined some years > ago, and I never saw > any important movement here. > > > I still monitor it, > but I already finished > building my -9A, which is now in flight > tests. > > > > > Regards > > > Carlos > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > From: > owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > > > > server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Konrad/Conny > > > > Sent: tera-feira, > 8 de Maro de > 2011 18:44 > > > > To: > rv9-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Subject: RV9-List: Anyone > here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any > posts here since I > > > > rejoined a few days ago after a few years > hiatus... > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > RV9-List Email > Forum - > > > > browse > > > > Un/Subscription, > > > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > > > > > > ========== > > > > bsp; > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > > > Forums! > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > bsp; - > List Contribution Web Site - > > > > > > > bsp; > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 08, 2011
From: JOHN TIPTON <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com>
Subject: Anyone here?
Dont worry Carlos, we are with you on the rvsqn john --- On Tue, 8/3/11, Carlos Trigo wrote: > From: Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> > Subject: RE: RV9-List: Anyone here? > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, 8 March, 2011, 19:03 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah > > It seems nobody uses > this list. > > > > > I joined some years > ago, and I never saw > any important movement here. > > > I still monitor it, > but I already finished > building my -9A, which is now in flight > tests. > > > > > Regards > > > Carlos > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > > > From: > owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > > > > server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Konrad/Conny > > > > Sent: tera-feira, > 8 de Maro de > 2011 18:44 > > > > To: > rv9-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Subject: RV9-List: Anyone > here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any > posts here since I > > > > rejoined a few days ago after a few years > hiatus... > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > RV9-List Email > Forum - > > > > browse > > > > Un/Subscription, > > > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > > > > > > ========== > > > > bsp; > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > > > Forums! > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > bsp; - > List Contribution Web Site - > > > > > > > bsp; > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 08, 2011
I see!!! Thank you... On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Steve Crimm wrote: > Most of the activity is on www.vansairforce.com > > > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 2:10 PM > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Anyone here? > > But where did everyone go? When I was last here (before divorce and > a few moves), these lists were a pretty busy place to exchange > information... Now they seem pretty dead, except for the -10 list, > which has a few posts a day? > > So, where did everyone go??? It can't be that quiet because of the > economy, which everyone seems to blame for everything these days... > > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > > Yeah > It seems nobody uses this list. > > I joined some years ago, and I never saw any important =93movement=94 > here. > I still monitor it, but I already finished building my -9A, which is > now in flight tests. > > Regards > Carlos > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny > > Sent: ter=E7a-feira, 8 de Mar=E7o de 2011 18:44 > > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: RV9-List: Anyone here? > > > > > > Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I > > rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus... > > > > ========== > > RV9-List Email Forum - > > browse > > Un/Subscription, > > FAQ, > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > > > ========== > > bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > Forums! > > > > > > > > ========== > > bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - > > > > bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ========== > > > > > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 08, 2011
From: Dennis Thomas <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
I rarely see anything. Dennis Thomas ----- Original Message ---- From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net> Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 10:43:54 AM Subject: RV9-List: Anyone here? Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 08, 2011
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
On 3/8/2011 1:09 PM, Konrad/Conny wrote: > But where did everyone go? When I was last here (before divorce and a > few moves), these lists were a pretty busy place to exchange > information... Now they seem pretty dead, except for the -10 list, > which has a few posts a day? > > So, where did everyone go??? It can't be that quiet because of the > economy, which everyone seems to blame for everything these days... > > As someone else pointed out, the big activity is now on VAF. It seems that most (not me...) prefer the web-based format of a forum. Another thing that probably affects traffic is that the newer kits have so many more prefabbed parts that people just don't need as much advice as 'the old days'. Fortunately, Matt keeps the archives alive. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 08, 2011
That is really too bad... as these lists here were pretty darn good for the most part. On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Thomas wrote: > > > > I rarely see anything. > > Dennis Thomas > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net> > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 10:43:54 AM > Subject: RV9-List: Anyone here? > > > Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I > rejoined a > few days ago after a few years hiatus... > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 08, 2011
Charlie, These are all good points you've made here... Konrad On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Charlie England wrote: > > > > On 3/8/2011 1:09 PM, Konrad/Conny wrote: >> But where did everyone go? When I was last here (before divorce >> and a few moves), these lists were a pretty busy place to exchange >> information... Now they seem pretty dead, except for the -10 list, >> which has a few posts a day? >> >> So, where did everyone go??? It can't be that quiet because of the >> economy, which everyone seems to blame for everything these days... >> >> > As someone else pointed out, the big activity is now on VAF. It > seems that most (not me...) prefer the web-based format of a forum. > > Another thing that probably affects traffic is that the newer kits > have so many more prefabbed parts that people just don't need as > much advice as 'the old days'. > > Fortunately, Matt keeps the archives alive. > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph & Maria Finch" <ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 08, 2011
The AeroElectric list is very active. There's rather little technical stuff peculiar to the -9 I suppose. RF ________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mar 09, 2011
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
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Subject: Re: RV9-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/25/11
From: kent(at)cybermesa.com
Date: Mar 27, 2011
O ------Original Message------ From: RV9-List Digest Server Sender: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: rv9-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV9-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/25/11 Sent: Mar 26, 2011 00:59 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV9-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV9-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 11-03-25&Archive=RV9 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 11-03-25&Archive=RV9 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV9-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/25/11: 0 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Mar 28, 2011
Possibly when a few more builders discover that an RV-9 can be built to fit within FAA Light Sport Aircraft limitations (single occupant with a REAL aircraft engine), we will see a greater following on this list. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335257#335257 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
From: William DeLacey <whd721(at)msn.com>
Date: Mar 28, 2011
Interesting concept. I would like a little more info on how you plan to pull it off. Van's empty weight is about 1000 lbs. Leaving 320 for pilot and fuel- - - - wow. Cleaver ideas are appreciated. On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:31 AM, racerjerry wrote: > > Possibly when a few more builders discover that an RV-9 can be built to fit within FAA Light Sport Aircraft limitations (single occupant with a REAL aircraft engine), we will see a greater following on this list. > > -------- > Jerry King > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335257#335257 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Mar 28, 2011
Hello whd 721. I am not yet building either, but as you said, RV-9 as a LSA is certainly an interesting concept. Several discussions of in-process and completed projects appear at vansairforce.net; in both RV-9, RV-12 and RV General Discussion forums. Both sides of the coin are discussed with input from a highly qualified DAR. Remember that the aircraft would need to be built lightly to FIT within the LSA limitations, much like a Cub, but not registered as an LSA. You would definitely be giving up the second seat. Start here and dont skip page 2. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=67700&highlight=lsa OR http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=6736&highlight=RV9+LSA -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335292#335292 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jms <smbluthing(at)volexpress.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 28, 2011
Don't get caught! Yes that will work. Sent from my Iphone. This is the single greatest piece of technology ever!!!!!! On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:47 AM, William DeLacey wrote: > > Interesting concept. > > I would like a little more info on how you plan to pull it off. Van's empty weight is about 1000 lbs. Leaving 320 for pilot and fuel- - - - wow. > > Cleaver ideas are appreciated. > > On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:31 AM, racerjerry wrote: > >> >> Possibly when a few more builders discover that an RV-9 can be built to fit within FAA Light Sport Aircraft limitations (single occupant with a REAL aircraft engine), we will see a greater following on this list. >> >> -------- >> Jerry King >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335257#335257 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 28, 2011
From: Steve Koziol <biovail2001(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
I am probably a bit short sighted, but why would someone want to go through all the hassels ofand costs of=C2-reworking an RV 9 to change the plane from its design=C2-goals to something that will fall short in load carryi ng ability and many other areas when van has designed the RV 12 specificaly for that purpose.=C2- =C2- Personally, I enjoy my 9A the way it is. =C2- Best of luck. =C2- Steve=C2- --- On Mon, 3/28/11, Jms wrote: From: Jms <smbluthing(at)volexpress.com> Subject: Re: RV9-List: Re: Anyone here? Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 2:09 PM Don't get caught!=C2- Yes that will work.=EE=90- Sent from my Iphone. This is the single greatest piece of technology ever!!!!!! On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:47 AM, William DeLacey wrote: > > Interesting concept. > > I would like a little more info on how you plan to pull it off.=C2- Van 's empty weight is about 1000 lbs.=C2- Leaving 320 for pilot and fuel- - - -=C2- =C2- =C2- wow.=C2-=C2-=C2- > > Cleaver ideas are appreciated. > > On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:31 AM, racerjerry wrote: > >> >> Possibly when a few more builders discover that an RV-9 can be built to fit within FAA Light Sport Aircraft limitations (single occupant with a REA L aircraft engine), we will see a greater following on this list. >> >> -------- >> Jerry King >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335257#335257 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S WEB FORUMS - on Web Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 28, 2011
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
From: Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk(at)gmail.com>
Hmmm, spend $80,000 on a plane that is pretty much an illegal oddity, with a resale value about half that of a 'real' RV-9. Not a smart investment compared to a RV12 or another LSA that has been SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to meet the criteria. (But hey, it's a nearly free country, go pound a square peg ina round hole if you must.:-) On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Steve Koziol wrote : > I am probably a bit short sighted, but why would someone want to go throu gh > all the hassels ofand costs of reworking an RV 9 to change the plane from > its design goals to something that will fall short in load carrying abili ty > and many other areas when van has designed the RV 12 specificaly for that > purpose. > > Personally, I enjoy my 9A the way it is. > > Best of luck. > > Steve > > --- On *Mon, 3/28/11, Jms * wrote: > > > From: Jms <smbluthing(at)volexpress.com> > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Re: Anyone here? > To: "rv9-list(at)matronics.com" > Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 2:09 PM > mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=smbluthing(at)volexpress.com> > > > > Don't get caught! Yes that will work.=EE=90- > > Sent from my Iphone. > > This is the single greatest piece of technology ever!!!!!! > > On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:47 AM, William DeLacey http://us.m c562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=whd721(at)msn.com>> > wrote: > us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=whd721(at)msn.com> > > > > > > Interesting concept. > > > > I would like a little more info on how you plan to pull it off. Van's > empty weight is about 1000 lbs. Leaving 320 for pilot and fuel- - - - > wow. > > > > Cleaver ideas are appreciated. > > > > On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:31 AM, racerjerry wrote: > > tp://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> > > > >> > >> Possibly when a few more builders discover that an RV-9 can be built t o > fit within FAA Light Sport Aircraft limitations (single occupant with a R EAL > aircraft engine), we will see a greater following on this list. > >> > >> -------- > >> Jerry King > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Read this topic online here: > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335257#335257 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > nbsp; --> http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web > Site -http://www=================== === > > > > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-9 as LSA
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Mar 29, 2011
(Continued from Anyone here? discussion, p2) Hi RV9 Ralph, Your argument makes the most sense, so I will try to respond in detail. First of all, I thank you for contributing to rational discussion of this issue. Let me begin with your closing statement Is it worth it? If, for example, your next FAA medical is denied because you very slightly exceed some arbitrary standard (B.P.?), would you like to give up flying? If you have 20-20 vision with both eyes together, but one eye becomes 20-50 are you ready to quit? I passed my recent FAA medical exam, but concern about the future is beginning to remove the joy of flying and starting a building project when unsure about medical status is just nuts. Then there is the waiver route talk about endless frustration and cubic money wasted. It is too darned bad that the LSA rules were written around all the foreign crap (airplanes AND engines). If LSA rules included a Cessna 150 or152, I would gladly dump my nice safe 172 and trade down. Maybe when enough well-heeled baby boomers of the political donor class retire and place some coins in appropriate pockets, this may change, but I doubt if such a revision will come in time for me. Meanwhile the FAA, in their infinite wisdom, has extended the discussion period for such a proposal to 99 years. As you said, If your RV-9 was EVER registered with a MGW weight over 1320 pounds, you can never fly it as an LSA (yeah, that makes perfect sense too). At least two RV-9s have already been qualified and REGISTERED as Light Sport Aircraft. One of the builders has stated he thought the better way to go is to build it light and register the craft as a regular experimental with a gross weight of no more that 1320 lbs. This plane is LEGAL. I do not advocate shredding the rules and I dont know of all the changes that were required to fit within the LSA class (there were many), but it CAN be done. As far as maximum speed, it can be limited by flattening pitch, giving you plenty of climb ability. RV-9 as-is is a still great airplane. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335399#335399 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Mar 29, 2011
Ahhhh, its good to stir the pot once in awhile just to liven things up! Thanks, all. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335401#335401 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-9 as LSA
From: William DeLacey <whd721(at)msn.com>
Date: Mar 29, 2011
Jerry, I responded to your original post for that reason. I am slightly more than half way through a RV9. Last year a medication cost me six months grounded while the FAA reviewed everything. No health or performance issues with me just medical wisdom. Now do I try again, or drop medical, if you lose once the LSA option is gone forever. Sell my RV9? Gamble another year? RV9 LSA? All things must be considered. If I felt unsafe medically , it would be easy. I would ground myself. Do I continue to put time into an RV build that I may never fly? I will continue to check out this thread on the RV LSA, but it appears to be like the old Cubs and other legacy aircraft. A large pilot and fuel and you are over gross. Those with sharp comments, might try to walk in others shoes. On Mar 29, 2011, at 7:42 AM, racerjerry wrote: > > (Continued from Anyone here? discussion, p2) > > Hi RV9 Ralph, > Your argument makes the most sense, so I will try to respond in detail. First of all, I thank you for contributing to rational discussion of this issue. Let me begin with your closing statement Is it worth it? If, for example, your next FAA medical is denied because you very slightly exceed some arbitrary standard (B.P.?), would you like to give up flying? If you have 20-20 vision with both eyes together, but one eye becomes 20-50 are you ready to quit? > > I passed my recent FAA medical exam, but concern about the future is beginning to remove the joy of flying and starting a building project when unsure about medical status is just nuts. Then there is the waiver route talk about endless frustration and cubic money wasted. It is too darned bad that the LSA rules were written around all the foreign crap (airplanes AND engines). If LSA rules included a Cessna 150 or152, I would gladly dump my nice safe 172 and trade down. Maybe when enough well-heeled baby boomers of the political donor class retire and place some coins in appropriate pockets, this may change, but I doubt if such a revision will come in time for me. Meanwhile the FAA, in their infinite wisdom, has extended the discussion period for such a proposal to 99 years. As you said, If your RV-9 was EVER registered with a MGW weight over 1320 pounds, you can never fly it as an LSA (yeah, that makes perfect sense too). > > At least two RV-9s have already been qualified and REGISTERED as Light Sport Aircraft. One of the builders has stated he thought the better way to go is to build it light and register the craft as a regular experimental with a gross weight of no more that 1320 lbs. This plane is LEGAL. I do not advocate shredding the rules and I dont know of all the changes that were required to fit within the LSA class (there were many), but it CAN be done. As far as maximum speed, it can be limited by flattening pitch, giving you plenty of climb ability. > > RV-9 as-is is a still great airplane. > > -------- > Jerry King > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335399#335399 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-9 as LSA
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Mar 29, 2011
Hi whd721, First, I am very glad to hear that you feel perfectly fine except for worrying about the darned medical. Not that I am recommending it, but all is not COMPLETELY lost if you decide to go for the exam and your medical is denied. At that point, you can try and qualify for a wavier and once you get it, never take another FAA medical again and go fly LSAbut you probably already know that. See my previous post regarding cubic money, endless frustration and wasted time. As you said, all things must be considered, but I hope that your concerns wont detract too much from your joy in building that wonderful RV-9 airplane. At least you are at a point where a choice is still available. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335413#335413 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2011
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: RV-9 as LSA
My personal experience, though narrow in scope, is that the FAA is slow to "Deny" a medical.=C2- On the other hand they are quick to ask for further information or tests which allows an individual the opportunity to reevalu ate their position.=C2- Consideration might be given for buying into AOPA 's medical support plan for a more complete understanding of how FAA medica l review works. Once a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not removed as an option? John Kerr Arterial Stent, Type 2 Diabedes, Flying on Special Issuance Medical Certifi cate. Kitfox, RV9, Hatz Classic ----- Original Message ----- From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:40:06 PM Subject: RV9-List: Re: RV-9 as LSA Hi whd721, First, I am very glad to hear that you feel perfectly fine except for worry ing about the darned medical. =C2- Not that I am recommending it, but all is not COMPLETELY lost if you decide to go for the exam and your medical is denied. =C2-At that point, you ca n try and qualify for a wavier and once you get it, never take another FAA medical again and go fly LSA=C3=A2=82=AC=C2but you probably already k now that. =C2-See my previous post regarding cubic money, endless frustra tion and wasted time. As you said, all things must be considered, but I hope that your concerns w on=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t detract too much from your joy in building that wonderful RV-9 airplane. =C2-At least you are at a point where a choice is still available. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335413#335413 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-9 as LSA
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Mar 29, 2011
Hi John, Thanks for your input. I hope that you are feeling well. We certainly did breathe some life into this dormant forum today. Your suggestion of utilizing AOPAs Medical Support Plan is a good one. www.leftseat.com has a lot of free info on their site that provides help in navigating the medical quagmire too. Missteps can be problematic. Quoting you: "Once a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not removed as an option?" Your question deserves a serious answer. The short answer is NO. I am neither a medical doctor nor aviation attorney, so I would like to refer you to the EAA www.sportpilot.org web site where their FAQ section seems to provide direct answers to your question. Please go to the site and search the FAQ for special issuance as I have. Note only questions appear and you must click on the question text to view the answer. I know that you will be pleasantly surprised. Specifically, look at: http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=121 http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=136 http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=493 http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=133 Keep in mind that as an operator of Light Sport Aircraft, that we must Not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that would make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a safe manner. This is somewhat open to interpretation. If you feel fit and safe to fly, I see no barriers. Good Luck! -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335448#335448 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2011
From: Dennis Thomas <dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV-9 as LSA
I'm borderline high blood pressure. Normally I'm well within limits but =0Aoccasionally it spikes to higher than FAA allows.=0A=0AThe thing to do i s find a friendly Flight Physical Guy. I have one. What I did =0Awas told him my concern and asked not for a Flight Physical but just a regular =0Aa nnual Physical Exam. No forms were filled out, I passed the standards of a =0AFlight Physical we then proceeded with the paper work and I'm good for 2 more =0Ayears.=0A=0ADennis Thomas=0ARV9 N164DV=0A580 hours=0A=0ADo Not Ar chive =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "kerrjohna@comca st.net" =0ATo: rv9-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, M arch 29, 2011 12:27:05 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV9-List: Re: RV-9 as LSA=0A=0A=0A My personal experience, though narrow in scope, is that the FAA is slow to =0A"Deny" a medical. On the other hand they are quick to ask for further =0Ainformation or tests which allows an individual the opportunity to reeva luate =0Atheir position. Consideration might be given for buying into AOPA 's medical =0Asupport plan for a more complete understanding of how FAA med ical review works.=0A =0AOnce a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not remov ed as an option?=0A =0AJohn Kerr=0AArterial Stent, Type 2 Diabedes, Flying on Special Issuance Medical Certificate.=0AKitfox, RV9, Hatz Classic=0A=0A- ---- Original Message -----=0AFrom: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>=0A rjerry" =0A=0AHi whd721,=0A=0AFirst, I am very glad to hear that you feel perfectly fine except for worrying =0Aabout the darne d medical. =0A=0ANot that I am recommending it, but all is not COMPLETELY lost if you decide to =0Ago for the exam and your medical is denied. At th at point, you can try and =0Aqualify for a wavier and once you get it, neve r take another FAA medical again =0Aand go fly LSA=C3=A2=82=AC=C2but you probably already know that. See my previous post =0Aregarding cubic mo ney, endless frustration and wasted time.=0A=0AAs you said, all things must be considered, but I hope that your concerns =0Awon=C3=A2=82=AC=84 =A2t detract too much from your joy in building that wonderful RV-9 airplan e. =0A At least you are at a point where a choice is still available.=0A=0A --------=0AJerry King=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp: ==== =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2011
From: ron(at)architechnique.com
Subject: [Auto-Reply] RV9-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 03/29/11
I am away from the office and will return Wednesday, March 30th, 2011. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Gardner" <bear_creek_lsa(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
Date: Mar 30, 2011
Can't be a ELSA now, it never was built as a ASTM Compliant SLSA like the RV12, so you can no longer register it as a ELSA. Before 1/31/2008, you could, and I understand there is at least one RV9 registered as an ELSA. FAR 21.191 (i)(1) specifies that all existing previously-uncertificated "ultralight-like vehicles" that do not meet the true FAR 103 ultralight requirements must be issued an experimental light-sport aircraft (ELSA) airworthiness certificate prior to January 31, 2008, or they will permanently lose the opportunity Be nice if you could! Terry LSA Repairman ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2011
From: Richard Tasker <retasker(at)optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone here?
He is speaking about RV9s that are in process of being built. They can be registered as ELSA when the time comes to register it as long as it meets the weight, speed, stall, etc. requirements. You are referring to previously existing aircraft that could qualify but were not certificated because it was not required and ELSA did not exist. Dick Tasker Terry Gardner wrote: > > Cant be a ELSA now, it never was built as a ASTM Compliant SLSA like > the RV12, so you can no longer register it as a ELSA. Before > 1/31/2008, you could, and I understand there is at least one RV9 > registered as an ELSA. > > FAR 21.191 (i)(1) specifies that all existing > previously-uncertificated ultralight-like vehicles that do not > > meet the true FAR 103 ultralight requirements must be issued an > experimental light-sport aircraft (ELSA) > > airworthiness certificate prior to January 31, 2008, or they will > permanently lose the opportunity > > Be nice if you could! > > Terry > > LSA Repairman > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2011
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: RV-9 as LSA
Jerry, thanks for the references.=C2- Printed out, they will be a resourc e for my medical file. The cited FAQ's still still seem to point to the issue that someone with a formal denial is not currently eligible to fly under LSA rules.=C2- Am I misunderstanding something? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:40:58 PM Subject: RV9-List: Re: RV-9 as LSA Hi John, Thanks for your input. =C2-I hope that you are feeling well. =C2-We cer tainly did breathe some life into this dormant forum today. =C2-Your sugg estion of utilizing AOPA=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s =C2-Medical Support Pla n is a good one. =C2-www.leftseat.com =C2-has a lot of free info on the ir site that provides help in navigating the medical quagmire too. =C2-Mi ssteps can be problematic. Quoting you: =C2-"Once a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not removed as an option?" Your question deserves a serious answer. =C2-The short answer is NO. =C2 - I am neither a medical doctor nor aviation attorney, so I would like to ref er you to the EAA www.sportpilot.org web site where their FAQ section seems to provide direct answers to your question. =C2-Please go to the site an d search the FAQ for =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93special issuance=C3=A2=82=AC =EF=BD as I have. =C2-Note only questions appear and you must click on the question text to view the answer. =C2-I know that you will be pleasa ntly surprised. Specifically, look at: http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=121 http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=136 http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=493 http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=133 Keep in mind that as an operator of Light Sport Aircraft, that we must =C3 =A2=82=AC=C5=93Not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that would make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a s afe manner.=C3=A2=82=AC=EF=BD =C2-This is somewhat open to interpre tation. =C2- If you feel fit and safe to fly, I see no barriers. =C2-Go od Luck! -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335448#335448 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2011
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV-9 as LSA
FWIW, my impression from the articles is that it's getting easier to get the waiver when you re-apply, & once you *do* get the Medical back, then you're good to go as long as you have a driver's license as long as you never take another Medical. Charlie On 3/30/2011 10:34 AM, kerrjohna(at)comcast.net wrote: > > Jerry, thanks for the references. Printed out, they will be a > resource for my medical file. > > The cited FAQ's still still seem to point to the issue that someone > with a formal denial is not currently eligible to fly under LSA > rules. Am I misunderstanding something? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:40:58 PM > Subject: RV9-List: Re: RV-9 as LSA > > > Hi John, > > Thanks for your input. I hope that you are feeling well. We > certainly did breathe some life into this dormant forum today. Your > suggestion of utilizing AOPAEUR^(TM)s Medical Support Plan is a good > one. www.leftseat.com has a lot of free info on their site that > provides help in navigating the medical quagmire too. Missteps can be > problematic. > > Quoting you: "Once a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not removed as > an option?" > > Your question deserves a serious answer. The short answer is NO. > > I am neither a medical doctor nor aviation attorney, so I would like > to refer you to the EAA www.sportpilot.org web site where their FAQ > section seems to provide direct answers to your question. Please go > to the site and search the FAQ for EURoespecial issuanceEUR? as I > have. Note only questions appear and you must click on the question > text to view the answer. I know that you will be pleasantly surprised. > Specifically, look at: > http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=121 > > http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=136 > > http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=493 > > http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=133 > > Keep in mind that as an operator of Light Sport Aircraft, that we must > EURoeNot know or have reason to know of any medical condition that > would make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a > safe manner.EUR? This is somewhat open to interpretation. If you > feel fit and safe to fly, I see no barriers. Good Luck! > > -------- > Jerry King > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/view - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS > -<==== > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph Cloud" <rv9ralph(at)tailsrwaggin.biz>
Subject: RV9 as Light Sport was Anyone here?
Date: Mar 30, 2011
SNIP: Can't be a ELSA now, it never was built as a ASTM Compliant SLSA like the RV12, so you can no longer register it as a ELSA. Before 1/31/2008, you could, and I understand there is at least one RV9 registered as an ELSA. If you could build to meet the Light Sport requirements (under 1320 GTW, 138 mph max speed, 51 mph Stall) at issuance of Airworthiness it can be operated by a Light Sport Pilot but certified as Experimental - Amateur Built (E-AB) RV9Ralph ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ian Brown <ixb(at)videotron.ca>
Subject: RE: RV9-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 03/29/11
Date: Mar 30, 2011
Being in pretty much the same demographic of high blood pressure but stable under drug control, I'd be interested to find out what people think is acceptable blood pressure. Mine is presently 140/78 and I'm not sure whether that would pass a Canadian (or US) aviation medical. Ian Brown, RV9A Bromont Quebec, 150 hours. "Kitfox, RV9, Hatz Classic I'm borderline high blood pressure. Normally I'm well within limits but occasionally it spikes to higher than FAA allows. The thing to do is find a friendly Flight Physical Guy. I have one. What I did was told him my concern and asked not for a Flight Physical but just a regular annual Physical Exam. No forms were filled out, I passed the standards of a Flight Physical we then proceeded with the paper work and I'm good for 2 more years.Dennis Thomas RV9 N164DV, 580 hours" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 31, 2011
Subject: Re: RE: RV9-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 03/29/11
From: Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk(at)gmail.com>
Similar idea; I try to go to my family doc within the month before my medical, and have him do my BP early in the day. He writes it on a prescription form with his letterhead, and says it is 'typical'. Then when I go for my MOT (Canadian) medical exam, and the stress is making my BP 20 points high, I show them the form, which thus far has been accepted. Perry Yaremchuk West Kelowna BC RV-9a On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Ian Brown wrote: > > Being in pretty much the same demographic of high blood pressure but stable > under drug control, I'd be interested to find out what people think is > acceptable blood pressure. Mine is presently 140/78 and I'm not sure > whether that would pass a Canadian (or US) aviation medical. > Ian Brown, RV9A Bromont Quebec, 150 hours. > > "Kitfox, RV9, Hatz Classic > I'm borderline high blood pressure. Normally I'm well within limits but > occasionally it spikes to higher than FAA allows. The thing to do is find a > friendly Flight Physical Guy. I have one. What I did was told > him my concern and asked not for a Flight Physical but just a regular > annual Physical Exam. No forms were filled out, I passed the standards of > a > Flight Physical we then proceeded with the paper work and I'm good for > 2 more years.Dennis Thomas RV9 N164DV, 580 hours" > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: LSA and Special Issuance Waivers
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Mar 31, 2011
LSA and Special Issue Waivers (cont. from RV-9 as LSA) Hi John, Once a formal denial I received, you NEED some PROFESSIONAL help in order to restore your flying privileges. Never say never. Often a misstep in the application has caused the rejection. FAA medical criteria is constantly changing, and you definitely require the help of an aviation medical professional who is very experienced in the Special Issuance process to help you navigate the quagmire, and not a BS artist like myself. Fatal (and unnecessary) mistakes are very often made by amateurs when filing out the medical application and providing supporting documents. You need a professional to review ALL supporting documentation submitted to the FAA. The good part is that mistakes of this nature will not be counted against you when again applying. It is my understanding that a new application starts FRESH. Leftseat.com (Pilot Medical Solutions, Inc.) quickly comes to mind. They have an extensive list of medical conditions with links for additional info here: http://www.leftseat.com/conditions.htm They provide an impressive list of Special Issuance waiver success statistics which are categorized for all different medical conditions that is very encouraging here: http://www.leftseat.com/sistats.htm Spend some time at their site. I understand that their service is expensive, but they do offer a free consultation. If you have the bucks, I am sure that this is by far the best way to go. That said, and since I am a cheap SOB, I will give you a lower bucks approach that should be used ONLY if you do NOT have adequate resources for the above plan. When the FAA asks for additional medical tests for a specific condition (they will), go to a different doctor other than your AME. The FAA will send you a letter with SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS for each test. An example is a stress test which has specific FAA requirements which are different from a regular stress test. Bring the test requirements and explain exactly what they are to the doctor who will be performing the test and make sure they fully understand. If the doctor who is performing the test does not completely understand all of the test requirements, you may be paying for a test that will only be rejected by the FAA, cost you wasted time and money AND hold up your medical. Collect ORIGINAL copies of all test results and personally insure they are all complete as compared to the FAA requirements letter. PERSONALLY send the ORIGINAL documents to the FAA yourself. Photocopy everything you send. Do not bring the documents back to the original AME unless the FAA specifically requests that you do so. Do it yourself and Keep the middleman out of the picture if at all possible, otherwise your doctor may not send all of the required info or send it late, or send it separately, or lose it, etc, etc. Secondly, your doctor may add a comment on it with something the FAA finds troublesome. Let me restate - just leave out the middleman if at all possible. The best way to think of it is that the FAA sent YOU the requirements and YOU are responsible to meet the requirements and YOU need to get the results back to them. Doing the job yourself is the best way to assure it is done in the time frame required as well as insure all requirements have been met. I sincerely hope this helps you as well as others in a similar predicament. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335578#335578 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: LSA and Special Issuance Waivers
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Mar 31, 2011
BTW, as others have suggested and especially if you are in the low bucks category or are a cheap SOB like myself, once you are successful in obtaining a Special Issuance waiver and possess a drivers license, think long and hard about giving up your beautiful, safe airplane that you presently own and converting to LSA operation. Think about not ever having to take another damned FAA medical exam again. Talk to others who are undergoing the continual endless and often frustrating process at every renewal time. My hope was to build a RV-9 and legally operate as Sport Pilot by shedding some weight along with the second seat. Without additional input from Vans, I am still unsure if this is a truly viable option. One of the greater joys in my life was that my wife often accompanied me flying, but with advancing age and health problems of her own, her continued flying is very doubtful anyway. She has difficulty even climbing into my 172, not to mention an RV. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335586#335586 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 31, 2011
From: kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: LSA and Special Issuance Waivers
Good comments Jerry.=C2- The economy approach is exactly what I have used since the stent was inserted 5 years ago.=C2- DO-IT-YOURSELF application . The PROFESSIONAL help may best be saved for the recovery of a lost medical. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:45:12 AM Subject: RV9-List: LSA and Special Issuance Waivers LSA and Special Issue Waivers (cont. from RV-9 as LSA) Hi John, Once a formal denial I received, you NEED some PROFESSIONAL help in order t o restore your flying privileges. =C2-Never say never. =C2-Often a miss tep in the application has caused the rejection. =C2-FAA medical criteria is constantly changing, and you definitely require the help of an aviation medical professional who is very experienced in the Special Issuance proce ss to help you navigate the quagmire, and not a BS artist like myself. =C2 -Fatal (and unnecessary) mistakes are very often made by amateurs when fi ling out the medical application and providing supporting documents. =C2- You need a professional to review ALL supporting documentation submitted to the FAA. =C2-The good part is that mistakes of this nature will not be c ounted against you when again applying. =C2-It is my understanding that a new application starts FRESH. =C2- Leftseat.com (Pilot Medical Solutions, Inc.) quickly comes to mind. =C2-T hey have an extensive list of medical conditions with links for additional info here: http://www.leftseat.com/conditions.htm They provide an impressive list of Special Issuance waiver success statisti cs which are categorized for all different medical conditions that is very encouraging here: http://www.leftseat.com/sistats.htm Spend some time at their site. I understand that their service is expensive , but they do offer a free consultation. =C2-If you have the bucks, I am sure that this is by far the best way to go. That said, and since I am a cheap SOB, I will give you a lower bucks approa ch that should be used ONLY if you do NOT have adequate resources for the a bove plan. =C2- When the FAA asks for additional medical tests for a specific condition (th ey will), go to a different doctor other than your AME. =C2-The FAA will send you a letter with SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS for each test. =C2-An exampl e is a stress test which has specific FAA requirements which are different from a regular stress test. Bring the test requirements and explain exactly what they are to the doctor who will be performing the test and make sure they fully understand. =C2 -If the doctor who is performing the test does not completely understand all of the test requirements, you may be paying for a test that will only b e rejected by the FAA, cost you wasted time and money AND hold up your medi cal. Collect ORIGINAL copies of all test results and personally insure they are all complete as compared to the FAA requirements letter. PERSONALLY send the ORIGINAL documents to the FAA yourself. =C2-Photocopy everything you send. =C2-Do not bring the documents back to the original AME unless the FAA specifically requests that you do so. Do it yourself and Keep the middleman out of the picture if at all possible , otherwise your doctor may not send all of the required info or send it la te, or send it separately, or lose it, etc, etc. Secondly, your doctor may add a comment on it with something the FAA finds troublesome. =C2-Let me restate - just leave out the middleman if at all possible. The best way to think of it is that the FAA sent YOU the requirements and YOU are responsib le to meet the requirements and YOU need to get the results back to them. =C2- Doing the job yourself is the best way to assure it is done in the t ime frame required as well as insure all requirements have been met. I sincerely hope this helps you as well as others in a similar predicament. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335578#335578 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2011
From: kenpowell(at)comcast.net
Subject: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA
Hi guys, I have been a lurker for years but I just couldn't resist commenting on thi s subject.=C2- I started a RV-4 many years ago but never finished it; it is still sitting in the garage awaiting my retirement.=C2- Note that a RV -4 has 110 sq ft of wing area and a RV-12 has 125 sq ft.=C2- A 'light' RV -4 with an O-320 routinely weighs about 950 lbs.=C2- A O-200 weighs about 90 lbs less than a O-320;=C2-I think that=C2-a 850=C2-lb=C2-RV-4 i s very possible.=C2- This will leave a useful load of 470 lbs.=C2- I we igh 170 and=C2-my wife weighs 115 lbs (total 285 lbs) which leaves 185 lb s for fuel and luggage.=C2-=C2-The problem with the LSA regs is not tha t the RV-4 stalls too fast (~54 MPH clean at 950 lbs) but that the airframe is too fast in top speed.=C2- The trick to slow tha airplane down is to extend the wings ~18" on either side (downgrade to the Utility catagory) fo r a total of 125=C2-sq ft=C2-just like the RV-12.=C2- This should kee p the speed legal (or really close) since both airplanes will have the same wing area and HP (actually, few O-200's=C2-really put out 100 HP!!!).=C2 - Wheel pants and leg fairings will probably make the '-4' too fast so th ese probably cannot be used.=C2- A RV-4 is probably a better candidate fo r LSA since it is about 100 lbs lighter than a RV-9. Ken Powell Bryant,=C2-=C2-Arkansas=C2-=C2- 72022 501-847-4721 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2011
From: RScott <rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com>
Subject: Re: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA
I have to wonder about this RV-9 as an LSA business. Yes, it has been done, but just because something can be done doesn't mean it's a great idea. Ford thought the Edsel was a great idea (ok, some of you are too young to know about the Edsel), the government thought ethanol in gas was a great idea, etc. Lots of bad ideas look like good ideas, especially if you want them to be. I understand the heartbreak of giving up a project that a person has been working on for years--I am in that exact situation myself with medical issues that make my passing a physical questionable and a half done RV-9A in the garage. So, I have to ask, Why? The plane designed for LSA is the -12, not the -9. So you have to modify and watch every gram to keep the weight down. You have to downgrade the prop and engine from what the plane could have had. And when you are done, if you are concerned about money, will it have the resale value? A buyer looking for an LSA RV would logically look for an RV-12 which would have a better payload. And once a -9 is registered as an LSA, it is LSA forever, so it will always be a bastardized RV-9. So here is my situation and my own reasoning. My project is for sale. The only justification I can see for finishing the -9 is if I thought my workmanship was super and the plane was a potential prize winner so I could charge big bucks for the newly finished airplane. But realistically, my workmanship is probably about typical, so why finish it? Why make it LSA-- just because I have time and emotion invested in it? I learned a lot while working on it so all is not a waste of time--I got an education. If I want an LSA RV, I'll build a -12 and probably have it in the air before I could have finished the -9A anyway. Or I can wait until a project is abandoned and have it in the air even faster. Having built a -9 part way, I can do a decent job of evaluating workmanship on a project and I can build it faster than I would as a beginner. As it is, my Interstate Cadet that I have flown for 20 years is an LSA, so it may just be a matter of getting out of the building business. Dick Scott Estacada, OR (28 miles from Van's) 503-630-4739 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John" <Jdaniel343(at)bresnan.net>
Subject: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA
Date: Apr 05, 2011
I may be wrong but, you don't register the RV-9 as LSA but as an experimental. If the aircraft meets the weight and performance of a LSA you can then fly it with a sport pilot license with its requirements. There are many planes that are certificated that can be flown with a LSP license. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RScott Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:29 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA I have to wonder about this RV-9 as an LSA business. Yes, it has been done, but just because something can be done doesn't mean it's a great idea. Ford thought the Edsel was a great idea (ok, some of you are too young to know about the Edsel), the government thought ethanol in gas was a great idea, etc. Lots of bad ideas look like good ideas, especially if you want them to be. I understand the heartbreak of giving up a project that a person has been working on for years--I am in that exact situation myself with medical issues that make my passing a physical questionable and a half done RV-9A in the garage. So, I have to ask, Why? The plane designed for LSA is the -12, not the -9. So you have to modify and watch every gram to keep the weight down. You have to downgrade the prop and engine from what the plane could have had. And when you are done, if you are concerned about money, will it have the resale value? A buyer looking for an LSA RV would logically look for an RV-12 which would have a better payload. And once a -9 is registered as an LSA, it is LSA forever, so it will always be a bastardized RV-9. So here is my situation and my own reasoning. My project is for sale. The only justification I can see for finishing the -9 is if I thought my workmanship was super and the plane was a potential prize winner so I could charge big bucks for the newly finished airplane. But realistically, my workmanship is probably about typical, so why finish it? Why make it LSA-- just because I have time and emotion invested in it? I learned a lot while working on it so all is not a waste of time--I got an education. If I want an LSA RV, I'll build a -12 and probably have it in the air before I could have finished the -9A anyway. Or I can wait until a project is abandoned and have it in the air even faster. Having built a -9 part way, I can do a decent job of evaluating workmanship on a project and I can build it faster than I would as a beginner. As it is, my Interstate Cadet that I have flown for 20 years is an LSA, so it may just be a matter of getting out of the building business. Dick Scott Estacada, OR (28 miles from Van's) 503-630-4739 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 05, 2011
From: RScott <rscott(at)cascadeaccess.com>
Subject: Re: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA
Yes and no, I misspoke or rather miswrote. When you license the plane, as the manufacturer you designate the gross weight. My understanding is that it is difficult to get an approval to change the gross weight. Could be wrong, but that's my understanding. If I am right, it will always be restricted to the LSA specs. On 2011-04-05 18:59, John wrote: > --> RV9-List message posted by: "John" > > I may be wrong but, you don't register the RV-9 as LSA but as an > experimental. > If the aircraft meets the weight and performance of a LSA you can then fly > it with a sport pilot license with its requirements. > There are many planes that are certificated that can be flown with a LSP > license. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RScott > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:29 PM > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV-9& RV-4 as LSA > > --> RV9-List message posted by: RScott > > I have to wonder about this RV-9 as an LSA business. > > Yes, it has been done, but just because something can be done doesn't > mean it's a great idea. Ford thought the Edsel was a great idea (ok, > some of you are too young to know about the Edsel), the government > thought ethanol in gas was a great idea, etc. Lots of bad ideas look > like good ideas, especially if you want them to be. > > I understand the heartbreak of giving up a project that a person has > been working on for years--I am in that exact situation myself with > medical issues that make my passing a physical questionable and a half > done RV-9A in the garage. > > So, I have to ask, > > Why? The plane designed for LSA is the -12, not the -9. So you have to > modify and watch every gram to keep the weight down. You have to > downgrade the prop and engine from what the plane could have had. And > when you are done, if you are concerned about money, will it have the > resale value? A buyer looking for an LSA RV would logically look for an > RV-12 which would have a better payload. And once a -9 is registered as > an LSA, it is LSA forever, so it will always be a bastardized RV-9. > > So here is my situation and my own reasoning. > > My project is for sale. The only justification I can see for finishing > the -9 is if I thought my workmanship was super and the plane was a > potential prize winner so I could charge big bucks for the newly > finished airplane. But realistically, my workmanship is probably about > typical, so why finish it? Why make it LSA-- just because I have time > and emotion invested in it? I learned a lot while working on it so all > is not a waste of time--I got an education. > > If I want an LSA RV, I'll build a -12 and probably have it in the air > before I could have finished the -9A anyway. Or I can wait until a > project is abandoned and have it in the air even faster. Having built a > -9 part way, I can do a decent job of evaluating workmanship on a > project and I can build it faster than I would as a beginner. > > As it is, my Interstate Cadet that I have flown for 20 years is an LSA, > so it may just be a matter of getting out of the building business. > > Dick Scott > Estacada, OR (28 miles from Van's) > 503-630-4739 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John" <Jdaniel343(at)bresnan.net>
Subject: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA
Date: Apr 05, 2011
Yes I think you are right. Once the gross weight is set, you will not be able to have that changed. It will always have to fly with the restrictions that were set when one has the plane registered. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RScott Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:13 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA Yes and no, I misspoke or rather miswrote. When you license the plane, as the manufacturer you designate the gross weight. My understanding is that it is difficult to get an approval to change the gross weight. Could be wrong, but that's my understanding. If I am right, it will always be restricted to the LSA specs. On 2011-04-05 18:59, John wrote: > --> RV9-List message posted by: "John" > > I may be wrong but, you don't register the RV-9 as LSA but as an > experimental. > If the aircraft meets the weight and performance of a LSA you can then fly > it with a sport pilot license with its requirements. > There are many planes that are certificated that can be flown with a LSP > license. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RScott > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:29 PM > To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV-9& RV-4 as LSA > > --> RV9-List message posted by: RScott > > I have to wonder about this RV-9 as an LSA business. > > Yes, it has been done, but just because something can be done doesn't > mean it's a great idea. Ford thought the Edsel was a great idea (ok, > some of you are too young to know about the Edsel), the government > thought ethanol in gas was a great idea, etc. Lots of bad ideas look > like good ideas, especially if you want them to be. > > I understand the heartbreak of giving up a project that a person has > been working on for years--I am in that exact situation myself with > medical issues that make my passing a physical questionable and a half > done RV-9A in the garage. > > So, I have to ask, > > Why? The plane designed for LSA is the -12, not the -9. So you have to > modify and watch every gram to keep the weight down. You have to > downgrade the prop and engine from what the plane could have had. And > when you are done, if you are concerned about money, will it have the > resale value? A buyer looking for an LSA RV would logically look for an > RV-12 which would have a better payload. And once a -9 is registered as > an LSA, it is LSA forever, so it will always be a bastardized RV-9. > > So here is my situation and my own reasoning. > > My project is for sale. The only justification I can see for finishing > the -9 is if I thought my workmanship was super and the plane was a > potential prize winner so I could charge big bucks for the newly > finished airplane. But realistically, my workmanship is probably about > typical, so why finish it? Why make it LSA-- just because I have time > and emotion invested in it? I learned a lot while working on it so all > is not a waste of time--I got an education. > > If I want an LSA RV, I'll build a -12 and probably have it in the air > before I could have finished the -9A anyway. Or I can wait until a > project is abandoned and have it in the air even faster. Having built a > -9 part way, I can do a decent job of evaluating workmanship on a > project and I can build it faster than I would as a beginner. > > As it is, my Interstate Cadet that I have flown for 20 years is an LSA, > so it may just be a matter of getting out of the building business. > > Dick Scott > Estacada, OR (28 miles from Van's) > 503-630-4739 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Gardner" <bear_creek_lsa(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV-9
Date: Apr 11, 2011
Quote I may be wrong but, you don't register the RV-9 as LSA but as an experimental. If the aircraft meets the weight and performance of a LSA you can then fly it with a sport pilot license with its requirements. There are many planes that are certificated that can be flown with a LSP license. You are correct! Terry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2011
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Date: Apr 15, 2011
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Date: Apr 16, 2011
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From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Apr 16, 2011
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