RVSouthEast-Archive.digest.vol-an
August 13, 2005 - September 08, 2005
disassembled. I have the 3-view drawings of the button and its' mount if
you decide to go that route. Trio sent it to me when I told them I wanted
to be ready when the unit arrives.
>
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Hattaras Report |
The one word that comes to mind when I think of you guys having this adventure
is "intrepid." What a great time! Lori, congrats on your perseverance, especially
the hard Ocracoke miles walked in flip-flops and hot sun. Dennis is getting
you back for dragging him up here to the fly-in the morning after he got
home from the AFB :-)
How neat that your daughter is so hooked on aviation that she'd brave Advanced
Air Academy :-)
You guys have a blessed month and we'll see you in September one way or another.
Watch your cholesterol after all that shrimp and crabmeat. My Dad and I are
waiting patiently for a break in the hazy hot so far, every weekend morning
here's been IFR till noon for the past month!
-Stormy
Autopilot going in this week
-----Original Message-----
From: Lori Millsap <dwmillsap(at)hyperlogic.net>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Hattaras Report
Stormy's post yesterday reminded me that I'd forgotten to report our trip
from last Friday...and you guys may be the only ones who would understand!
*grin*
With one child still at EAA Advanced Air Academy (she's home now, with
welding projects in tow!) and the other child in grandparent-land, Dennis
and I decided at 3:48pm last Friday afternoon that camping over at Cape
Hattaras might be fun. We grabbed our gear, some charcoal, and were grilling
at the state park by 6pm!
The runway at Hattaras is about 1/4 mile from the state park's front
entrance. We had no trouble walking up and securing a campsite at the last
minute, although I suppose on holiday weekends that wouldn't work. The
amenities were adequate, and the walk to the beach short and delightful over
a boardwalk-style sidewalk through a marsh. Dennis's one complaint was the
traffic that extended until all hours of the night, but I slept well. GRIN.
The next morning, we took a sunrise dip in the ocean, then cleaned up, broke
camp, and flew down to Ocracoke for breakfast. I suggest you bring walking
shoes if you are going to do that hike (grin--I'd only brought beach
sandals, but persevered!). It's probably just over half a mile, but it felt
further since by then it was 9am or so and getting hot. We walked to the
Pony Island Restaurant for breakfast, where service and prices were
outstanding.
We got back to the plane in time to stop in Washington for some of their
precious fuel (sigh) and home to Farmville just in time for the EAA Chapter
960 meeting, where the Potters supplied fresh crab and fried shrimp for
lunch.
So, all we did was fly and eat--what fun!
Lori & Dennis
N464DM
Greenville, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Stormy Auto Pilot question |
In a message dated 8/12/2005 8:58:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sportav8r(at)aol.com writes:
I don't like to hit the household budget with too much avionics at one time-
keeps me below the domestic radar intercept threshold . As it is, I'm
bidding on Garmin GPSmap 296's
Stormy:
I wanted a back up to my Garmin 295 for trips and Donna to use in the back
... just could not justify the 396 ... bought a 295 off Ebay this week for $500
.... thought it was a good buy.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| From: | "AYRES, JIMMY L" <JAYRES(at)entergy.com> |
"'rv7-list(at)matronics.com'"
Subject:
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:54:36 -0500
Hey guys,
>
>
> I am new to the RV list and recently purchased a RF7A QB from an
> individual. I was trying to fit up my HS/elevator and noticed that
> when clamped in place, there was almost no travel of down elevator
> allowed due to the down stop (F711E). When I called Vans, they told
> me that this piece had to be trimmed and almost seemed insulted by the
> question since this information was in my instructions.
>
>
> Well either I'm a complete idiot or I am missing something because I
> have been completely through my instructions and drawings and I have found no
reference to this nor have I found any information on elevator defection limits.
I am concerned that maybe I am missing some of my instruction manual.
>
>
> Can anyone out there tell me where this info is located?
Hey guys,
I am new to the RV list
and recently purchased a RF7A QB from an
individual. I was
trying to fit up my HS/elevator and noticed that
when clamped in place,
there was almost no travel of down elevator
allowed due to the down
stop (F711E). When I called Vans, they told
me that this piece had
to be trimmed and almost seemed insulted by the
question since this
information was in my instructions.
Well either I'm a
complete idiot or I am missing something because I
have been completely
through my instructions and drawings and I have found no reference to this nor
have I found any information on elevator defection limits. I am concerned that
maybe I am missing some of my instruction manual.
Can anyone out there
tell me where this info is located?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
In a message dated 8/13/2005 3:55:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com writes:
> have been completely through my instructions and drawings and I have found
no reference to this nor have I found any information on elevator defection
limits. I am concerned that maybe I am missing some of my instruction
manual.
I believe it is in the final assembly part of the manual ... it gives you a
measurement in degrees that the elevators should travel both up and down and
you trim to allow that.
Welcome to the RV world and SERV.
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
376 hrs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Chapter 15, page 2 (15-2) shows the limits.
Drawing 27A has the dimensions for F-711E... I'd check that the part has
been fabricated to correct dimensions.
Good luck,
Radomir
-7A Fuselage
In a message dated 8/13/2005 3:55:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com writes:
> have been completely through my instructions and drawings and I have
found
no reference to this nor have I found any information on elevator defection
limits. I am concerned that maybe I am missing some of my instruction
manual.
I believe it is in the final assembly part of the manual ... it gives you a
measurement in degrees that the elevators should travel both up and down and
you trim to allow that.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Stormy Auto Pilot question |
Agree; but this one's going to be my primary panel GPS, though, with the airmap
500 going in the glove box as a spare. For that application, I feel the extra
bucks for the 296 is a good deal; about $1250 currently on eBay.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Stormy Auto Pilot question
In a message dated 8/12/2005 8:58:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sportav8r(at)aol.com writes:
I don't like to hit the household budget with too much avionics at one time-
keeps me below the domestic radar intercept threshold . As it is, I'm
bidding on Garmin GPSmap 296's
Stormy:
I wanted a back up to my Garmin 295 for trips and Donna to use in the back
... just could not justify the 396 ... bought a 295 off Ebay this week for $500
.... thought it was a good buy.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke trip |
Hey Stormy,
Maybe we can get them to guard our airplanes as well. Lynne and I are still
planning on the trip and look forward to it as well. Lets pray for good
weather.
Steve Glasgow
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
----- Original Message -----
From: <sportav8r(at)aol.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke trip
>
> Everyone making plans for our adventure next month? I'm looking foward to
> some island R&R.
>
> If anyone has to drop out, let us know; there's a waiting list to get into
> the B-) and we can quickly fill your vacancy if we know about it in time.
>
> We'd better watch our step around the beaches, though. Political
> correctness has apparently escaped from the asylum and is headed for the
> outer banks, witness the following:
>
> ****************
>
> Regarding the redistribution of your income...
> The U.S. Department of Interior is requiring National Parks in the
> Southeast to allocate armed law-enforcement rangers for critical
> 14-day-rotation details with full reimbursement for travel expenses, per
> diem costs and overtime. You might assume they are being assigned for
> Homeland Security tasks supplementing protection for dams or critical
> points of the national infrastructure. Perhaps they will be sent to help
> protect our porous southern border from nefarious drug gangs and
> terrorists.
>
> No, these officers are being deployed to Cape Hatteras National Seashore
> to guard the nests of Piping Plover birds from being tread upon by beach
> strollers. Well, actually there are no nests, but two male Plovers have
> been seen exhibiting courtship behavior with one female Plover.
>
> Last year, two Least Tern chicks were found dead in an ingress area for
> visitors, and environmental groups are outraged. After all, the birds are
> protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. So armed NPS rangers will
> now escort all visitor ingress and egress to make sure no non-existent
> bird nests will be disturbed. At this writing, reports indicate that
> birdwatchers (the tree-hugging variety) in line for escort outnumber beach
> comers two to one. No word on whether deadly force has been authorized
> against anyone attempting to enter without escort.
>
> **************
>
> So... if an armed Park Ranger sidles up next to you while you're
> strolling the beach, better give him a call on Guard (121.5) and see if he
> wants you to follow him. Better hope you don't have Plover yolk on the
> bottoms of your flip-flops, either. I tell you, it's getting crazy out
> there.
>
> -Stormy
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
When I called Vans, they told me that this piece had to be trimmed and
almost seemed insulted by the question since this information was in my
instructions.
Don't feel bad. That is the attitude of a few of Van's people. Doesn't
matter what question!
Dale Ensing
do not achieve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LeastDrag93066(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | The unfortunate case of the same names |
Hi All and Jimmy Ayres,
The last time I called for technical assistance, I was trying to determine
why the RV-7 elevator fit differently on the RV-6 HS than on the RV-8 HS.
(The difference being in the clearance to the center bearing.)
Not being a typical builder, I have a RV-6A that I am reconstructing the
empannage section, and a modified RV-4 with a RV-8 HS. (BTW, the RV-7 elevators
fit both HS.)
Van's Aircraft actively discourages any changes to their design. This is
actually a good thing. It will save the builder months, or even years, of
extra building time. (Figure three months extra building time for even a simple
change.)
The person at Van's Aircraft might have thought that they knew you (me), or
about you(me).
I met Van at a fly-in in 1973. I built and am flying RV-3 sn 50.
Perhaps if you used a different name, like Fred or George, you would get a
more typical response when you talk to Van's. :-)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
RV-3 sn 50 N47RV LOM M332A engine MT 3 blade electric CS propeller
RV-6A N130YY Lyc. O-360 engine
RV-4 sn 2708 aka HR2 :-)
--> RV7-List message posted by:
>
> From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" <JAYRES(at)entergy.com>
> To: "'rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com'"
> ,
> "'rv7-list(at)matronics.com'"
>
> Subject:
> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:54:36 -0500
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I am new to the RV list and recently purchased a RF7A QB from an
individual. I was
> trying to fit up my HS/elevator and noticed that when clamped in place,
there was
> almost no travel of down elevator allowed due to the down stop (F711E).
When I
> called Vans, they told me that this piece had to be trimmed and almost
seemed insulted
> by the question since this information was in my instructions.
>
> > Well either I'm a complete idiot or I am missing something because I
have been
> completely through my instructions and drawings and I have found no
reference to this
> nor have I found any information on elevator defection limits. I am
concerned that
> maybe I am missing some of my instruction manual.
>
> > Can anyone out there tell me where this info is located?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
I was just looking at the pictures on the list SERV
(http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com
And was surprised to see the pics of Ed's brake line failure and subsequent
fire. My RV9A kit has steel braided lines instead of the aluminum tubing
that so many of us are using. May be time for an upgrade... Also, as a
reminder, the Danville FBO now carries that new brake fluid that has the
much higher flashpoint.
Wayne8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
Just finished my new panel upgrade. I did away with all the vacuum stuff
trying to get the best of both worlds- acro and IFR. Don't think there's any
production airplane that can claim that! Larry uploaded a pic for me on the
pixserv (http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com)
Still need to add my labels and complete my homebrew LED indicator light
panel. Funny how I like to keep working on this plane even after its flying!
Wayne8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Looks great..
How do you like the BMA Lite?
Radomir
-7A Fuselage
(back in business)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Williams
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Just finished my new panel upgrade. I did away with all the vacuum stuff
trying to get the best of both worlds- acro and IFR. Don't think there's any
production airplane that can claim that! Larry uploaded a pic for me on the
pixserv (http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com)
Still need to add my labels and complete my homebrew LED indicator light
panel. Funny how I like to keep working on this plane even after its flying!
Wayne8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Hi Wayne,
Yes, a bit of excitement for sure. My bird now has stainless steel braided
lines as well - certainly don't want a repeat {:>). Seems like someone on
the Southeast RV list talked about purchasing a quantity of the 80 series
fluid back some time ago - but hadn't heard anything more about it.
May just have to fly up to Danville with a pint can and see if I can get
any.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Brake fire
>
>
> I was just looking at the pictures on the list SERV
> (http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com
> And was surprised to see the pics of Ed's brake line failure and
> subsequent
> fire. My RV9A kit has steel braided lines instead of the aluminum tubing
> that so many of us are using. May be time for an upgrade... Also, as a
> reminder, the Danville FBO now carries that new brake fluid that has the
> much higher flashpoint.
>
> Wayne8A
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Nice, Wayne! Great craftsmanship evident there.
Now, (ahem...) move that butt-ugly Pegasus SIRS compass out of the line of vision
and put it in the bottom row of the panel where it belongs. With all that electronic
real estate to stare at, you will NEVER look at the whiskey compass
anyway, so what if it gets a little EMI from nearby wiring - it's just there for
looks at inspection time.
I want to know how you did your LED lights; I've been researching the same thing
(an archive search made more difficult by the many builders who refer to annunciator
lights as "enunciator lights," no doubt the product of government schooling.
I suppose those would be lights installed to help the pilot speak more
distinctly? ;-) Once I "cracked the code," I was able to find a bit on Google
and elsewhere about rolling homebrew lights for the annunciator panel.
I see you went modular with sub-panels, which is what I am going to do tnis time
so I don't have to keep cutting new full-size panel blanks every time something
gets changed.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Just finished my new panel upgrade. I did away with all the vacuum stuff
trying to get the best of both worlds- acro and IFR. Don't think there's any
production airplane that can claim that! Larry uploaded a pic for me on the
pixserv (http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com)
Still need to add my labels and complete my homebrew LED indicator light
panel. Funny how I like to keep working on this plane even after its flying!
Wayne8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Oh, phooey - I failed to notice the BMA avionics; my bad - take back what I said
about craftsmanship, and you're going to need that whiskey compass more than
I thought ;-) Just kidding.
I kinda feel about BMA the way Matt Dralle must feel about JPI; anyone who disses
my homeboy Bob Nuckolls has lost my avionics busuness before he ever got it.
That part I am not kidding about.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Radomir Zaric <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Looks great..
How do you like the BMA Lite?
Radomir
-7A Fuselage
(back in business)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Williams
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Just finished my new panel upgrade. I did away with all the vacuum stuff
trying to get the best of both worlds- acro and IFR. Don't think there's any
production airplane that can claim that! Larry uploaded a pic for me on the
pixserv (http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com)
Still need to add my labels and complete my homebrew LED indicator light
panel. Funny how I like to keep working on this plane even after its flying!
Wayne8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)alltel.net> |
Ed,
Stave Glasgow and I flew up there several months ago. They sell it in quart
cans. They don't have it at the FBO office. You need to ask their
maintenance man to bring some from the hangar.
Ron Schreck
(GRT EFIS arrives today!)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Brake fire
>
> Hi Wayne,
>
> Yes, a bit of excitement for sure. My bird now has stainless steel
braided
> lines as well - certainly don't want a repeat {:>). Seems like someone on
> the Southeast RV list talked about purchasing a quantity of the 80 series
> fluid back some time ago - but hadn't heard anything more about it.
> May just have to fly up to Danville with a pint can and see if I can get
> any.
>
> Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
> To:
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Brake fire
>
>
> >
> >
> > I was just looking at the pictures on the list SERV
> > (http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com
> > And was surprised to see the pics of Ed's brake line failure and
> > subsequent
> > fire. My RV9A kit has steel braided lines instead of the aluminum tubing
> > that so many of us are using. May be time for an upgrade... Also, as a
> > reminder, the Danville FBO now carries that new brake fluid that has the
> > much higher flashpoint.
> >
> > Wayne8A
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
Interesting how Nuchols and Ritcher don't see eye to eye. Each have
definitely taken the internet "swing" at each other.
I got the BMA for the H S I. Whole different algorithm for the AI than the
Dynon, too. I put the compass up top for fear of not having any good heading
info if total electric failure. It was a hard decision but it's really not
in line of site.
My LEDs are quite simple; step down resistor in series running parallel line
from the power side of fuel pump. No need for a diode since the LEDs keep
current flow one way. Could do it for landing lights or whatever. I also
have my EIS warning light there and the AOA switches.
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Oh, phooey - I failed to notice the BMA avionics; my bad - take back what I
said about craftsmanship, and you're going to need that whiskey compass more
than I thought ;-) Just kidding.
I kinda feel about BMA the way Matt Dralle must feel about JPI; anyone who
disses my homeboy Bob Nuckolls has lost my avionics busuness before he ever
got it. That part I am not kidding about.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Radomir Zaric <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
-->
Looks great..
How do you like the BMA Lite?
Radomir
-7A Fuselage
(back in business)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Williams
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Just finished my new panel upgrade. I did away with all the vacuum stuff
trying to get the best of both worlds- acro and IFR. Don't think there's any
production airplane that can claim that! Larry uploaded a pic for me on the
pixserv (http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com) Still need to add my labels and
complete my homebrew LED indicator light panel. Funny how I like to keep
working on this plane even after its flying!
Wayne8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Ok, thanks, Ron
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Brake fire
>
>
> Ed,
>
> Stave Glasgow and I flew up there several months ago. They sell it in
> quart
> cans. They don't have it at the FBO office. You need to ask their
> maintenance man to bring some from the hangar.
>
> Ron Schreck
> (GRT EFIS arrives today!)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Brake fire
>
>
>
>>
>> Hi Wayne,
>>
>> Yes, a bit of excitement for sure. My bird now has stainless steel
> braided
>> lines as well - certainly don't want a repeat {:>). Seems like someone
>> on
>> the Southeast RV list talked about purchasing a quantity of the 80 series
>> fluid back some time ago - but hadn't heard anything more about it.
>> May just have to fly up to Danville with a pint can and see if I can get
>> any.
>>
>> Ed
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
>> To:
>> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Brake fire
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I was just looking at the pictures on the list SERV
>> > (http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com
>> > And was surprised to see the pics of Ed's brake line failure and
>> > subsequent
>> > fire. My RV9A kit has steel braided lines instead of the aluminum
>> > tubing
>> > that so many of us are using. May be time for an upgrade... Also, as a
>> > reminder, the Danville FBO now carries that new brake fluid that has
>> > the
>> > much higher flashpoint.
>> >
>> > Wayne8A
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Ed,
Do your new SS flex brake lines run all the way from the fuse to the brake
caliper? If yes, what method did you use to attach them to the gear legs to
prevent abrasion to the gear leg and yet not interfere with the gear leg
fairings?
Dale Ensing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
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I worried after I went to bed last night that my cutesie reply was over the top
and might not be seen as tongue in cheek.
I can afford to give Richter the cold shoulder because he has so much competition.
No doubt he makes a very good product, despite the way he's managed to offend
some folks. I choose not to overlook his company's customer service reputation
and his demonstrated ignorance of basic electricity (vs. electronics) because
I have the luxury of shopping elsewhere. If he were the only game in town,
I'd certainly buy his stuff. Why, I've even forgiven Smith and Wesson for
selling out briefly to the Clinton gun control scheme since I want one of their
wheel guns badly enough (my wish list includes a stainless 686 6" barrel in
.357 mag), despite how I felt about the company at the time. So, I'm not really
aghast that there's a BMA in your panel :-) as if it were any of my business
anyway...
Regarding the LED lights, I am intersted in how you implemented the structural
part of the installation, mounting the lights and labels and dividers between,
etc.
I finished the mechanical installation of my Trio EZ-Pilot last evening, and will
tackle the electrical part when the harness arrives, hopefiully today.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Interesting how Nuchols and Ritcher don't see eye to eye. Each have
definitely taken the internet "swing" at each other.
I got the BMA for the H S I. Whole different algorithm for the AI than the
Dynon, too. I put the compass up top for fear of not having any good heading
info if total electric failure. It was a hard decision but it's really not
in line of site.
My LEDs are quite simple; step down resistor in series running parallel line
from the power side of fuel pump. No need for a diode since the LEDs keep
current flow one way. Could do it for landing lights or whatever. I also
have my EIS warning light there and the AOA switches.
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Oh, phooey - I failed to notice the BMA avionics; my bad - take back what I
said about craftsmanship, and you're going to need that whiskey compass more
than I thought ;-) Just kidding.
I kinda feel about BMA the way Matt Dralle must feel about JPI; anyone who
disses my homeboy Bob Nuckolls has lost my avionics busuness before he ever
got it. That part I am not kidding about.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Radomir Zaric <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
-->
Looks great..
How do you like the BMA Lite?
Radomir
-7A Fuselage
(back in business)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Williams
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Just finished my new panel upgrade. I did away with all the vacuum stuff
trying to get the best of both worlds- acro and IFR. Don't think there's any
production airplane that can claim that! Larry uploaded a pic for me on the
pixserv (http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com) Still need to add my labels and
complete my homebrew LED indicator light panel. Funny how I like to keep
working on this plane even after its flying!
Wayne8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
So, can I put the BMA back in the panel? The hole really looks funny! ;)
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
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Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
I worried after I went to bed last night that my cutesie reply was over the
top and might not be seen as tongue in cheek.
I can afford to give Richter the cold shoulder because he has so much
competition. No doubt he makes a very good product, despite the way he's
managed to offend some folks. I choose not to overlook his company's
customer service reputation and his demonstrated ignorance of basic
electricity (vs. electronics) because I have the luxury of shopping
elsewhere. If he were the only game in town, I'd certainly buy his stuff.
Why, I've even forgiven Smith and Wesson for selling out briefly to the
Clinton gun control scheme since I want one of their wheel guns badly enough
(my wish list includes a stainless 686 6" barrel in .357 mag), despite how I
felt about the company at the time. So, I'm not really aghast that there's
a BMA in your panel :-) as if it were any of my business anyway...
Regarding the LED lights, I am intersted in how you implemented the
structural part of the installation, mounting the lights and labels and
dividers between, etc.
I finished the mechanical installation of my Trio EZ-Pilot last evening, and
will tackle the electrical part when the harness arrives, hopefiully today.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Interesting how Nuchols and Ritcher don't see eye to eye. Each have
definitely taken the internet "swing" at each other.
I got the BMA for the H S I. Whole different algorithm for the AI than the
Dynon, too. I put the compass up top for fear of not having any good heading
info if total electric failure. It was a hard decision but it's really not
in line of site.
My LEDs are quite simple; step down resistor in series running parallel line
from the power side of fuel pump. No need for a diode since the LEDs keep
current flow one way. Could do it for landing lights or whatever. I also
have my EIS warning light there and the AOA switches.
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Oh, phooey - I failed to notice the BMA avionics; my bad - take back what I
said about craftsmanship, and you're going to need that whiskey compass more
than I thought ;-) Just kidding.
I kinda feel about BMA the way Matt Dralle must feel about JPI; anyone who
disses my homeboy Bob Nuckolls has lost my avionics busuness before he ever
got it. That part I am not kidding about.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Radomir Zaric <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
-->
Looks great..
How do you like the BMA Lite?
Radomir
-7A Fuselage
(back in business)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Williams
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
Just finished my new panel upgrade. I did away with all the vacuum stuff
trying to get the best of both worlds- acro and IFR. Don't think there's any
production airplane that can claim that! Larry uploaded a pic for me on the
pixserv (http://servpix.myphotoalbum.com) Still need to add my labels and
complete my homebrew LED indicator light panel. Funny how I like to keep
working on this plane even after its flying!
Wayne8A
--
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Hi Dale,
The answer is yes and I use a strip of the electrical anti-chaff material.
Its the type that is spiral like a spring make of a tansluence plastic.
I've had it on the left side (where I had previously replace the brake line
with the SS hose - should have replaced the right one at that time {:>))
for over 200hrs and it appears to do the job.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Brake fire
>
>
> Ed,
> Do your new SS flex brake lines run all the way from the fuse to the brake
> caliper? If yes, what method did you use to attach them to the gear legs
> to
> prevent abrasion to the gear leg and yet not interfere with the gear leg
> fairings?
> Dale Ensing
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
No, I told you: the whiskey compass goes there :-)
Now post a pic or two of your LED annunciator panel.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: New panel
So, can I put the BMA back in the panel? The hole really looks funny! ;)
Wayne
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Ed,
Thanks for your info on using the plastic spiral wrap to hold the SS flex
brake line to the ear leg. I'll give it a try. Spacing may be an issue.
Van's fiberglass gear leg fairings fit tightly to the gear leg especially on
the lower end.
FWIW..... I tested urethane adhesive (Gorilla Glue) to bond the protective
polyethylene tubing to the gear leg. As I suspected, it does not stick to
the polyethylene.
Dale
.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Actually, Dale, I only used the plastic spiral wrap to protect the aluminum
gear rod fairing from the chaffing of the SS hose line at the bottom where
it loops to the caliper. I used black electricians tape around the hose and
the gear rod to hold the hose in place along the gear leg.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Brake fire
>
>
> Ed,
> Thanks for your info on using the plastic spiral wrap to hold the SS flex
> brake line to the ear leg. I'll give it a try. Spacing may be an issue.
> Van's fiberglass gear leg fairings fit tightly to the gear leg especially
> on
> the lower end.
> FWIW..... I tested urethane adhesive (Gorilla Glue) to bond the
> protective
> polyethylene tubing to the gear leg. As I suspected, it does not stick to
> the polyethylene.
> Dale
> .
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | EAA 731 Fall Fly-In |
Need an excuse to go flying?
EAA Local Chapter 731 in Hickory is hosting a fly-in
on Saturday September 24th. At present we plan to
host the fly-in at the Morganton - Lenoir airport
(MRN). We hope to have some aircraft judging, food,
and fun. An official flyer will be distributed as
soon as all details are ironed out. Once that happens
I will post an update. Information will also be
available (eventually, but not as of now) on the
chapter webpage: http://www.eaa731.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
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Friend sent this to me. Obviously not an aviation source. Wonder what
happened?
Wayne
_____
From: Gene Jackson [mailto:gjackson(at)gamewood.net]
Subject: RV-8
Victim ID'd in fatal plane crash
Cheyenne man, 35, was killed Sunday in experimental aircraft
By Tillie Fong, Rocky Mountain News
August 9, 2005
A man killed in the crash of an experimental airplane at the Fort
Collins-Loveland Airport on Sunday has been identified as Jay Schneider, 35,
of Cheyenne.
Schneider died when the Vans RV-8 plane came in on its belly about 1,500
feet west of the airport's north-south runway.
The Larimer County coroner's office conducted the autopsy late Monday.
The pilot, William Sheel, 47, of Greeley, was taken to Denver Health Medical
Center on Sunday. He was in critical condition Monday, said Robyn Roggy, a
family friend.
Schneider was Sheel's son-in-law, Roggy said.
Shortly after 9 a.m. Sunday, the plane apparently landed on its belly,
intact, and there was no fire, witnesses told authorities.
The Federal Aviation Administration is starting an investigation, but the
RV-8 is considered an experimental plane because it is home-built, so the
FAA's involvement is limited.
"They're built by the pilot, so you can have somebody miss something in the
process," Allen Kenitzer, spokesman for the region office of the FAA, said
Monday.
He said that last Friday, a similar plane crashed in Priest Lake, Idaho,
resulting in two fatalities. The FAA is also investigating that crash.
Sheel's plane was built last year, but according to Dean Hall, a longtime
friend and pilot, the design for the RV-8 has been around for eight years.
It uses a Lycoming engine, which is also used in commercially made planes
and can reach speeds of more than 200 mph, he said.
"The difference between certificated airplanes and the experimental plane is
that the certificated airplanes were designed 50 years ago, and the
experimental planes have recent design and better performance," Hall said.
"Typically, they're faster and more efficient because the design is cleaner
aerodynamically."
Hall said that Sheel had been flying the RV-8 for the past year.
"I examined it when it was finished, and I flew in it with him," Hall said.
"It flew very well."
Hall said he has flown in the plane several times since then.
"He's a very fine pilot," he said of Sheel.
According to FAA records, Sheel held a commercial pilot license in 2001 and
held a general aviation license since 2003.
Family members of Sheel and Schneider could not be reached for comment
Monday. Roggy said the family did not want to be interviewed.
--
--
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BOB martin" <libertyva(at)msn.com> |
I went to Dan C's site and went to his NTSB file for the rv's and read about
it.
Seems to have been a low on fuel, stall accident, but read it for yourself.
http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.html
Bob Martin
>From: "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: FW: RV-8
>Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:59:50 -0400 0.06 HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY
>BODY: HTML contains text after BODY close tag
>
>
>
>Friend sent this to me. Obviously not an aviation source. Wonder what
>happened?
>
>
>Wayne
>
>
> _____
>
>From: Gene Jackson [mailto:gjackson(at)gamewood.net]
>To: Wayne Williams
>Subject: RV-8
>
>
>Victim ID'd in fatal plane crash
>
>Cheyenne man, 35, was killed Sunday in experimental aircraft
>
>By Tillie Fong, Rocky Mountain News
>August 9, 2005
>
>A man killed in the crash of an experimental airplane at the Fort
>Collins-Loveland Airport on Sunday has been identified as Jay Schneider,
>35,
>of Cheyenne.
>
>Schneider died when the Vans RV-8 plane came in on its belly about 1,500
>feet west of the airport's north-south runway.
>
>The Larimer County coroner's office conducted the autopsy late Monday.
>
>The pilot, William Sheel, 47, of Greeley, was taken to Denver Health
>Medical
>Center on Sunday. He was in critical condition Monday, said Robyn Roggy, a
>family friend.
>
>Schneider was Sheel's son-in-law, Roggy said.
>
>Shortly after 9 a.m. Sunday, the plane apparently landed on its belly,
>intact, and there was no fire, witnesses told authorities.
>
>The Federal Aviation Administration is starting an investigation, but the
>RV-8 is considered an experimental plane because it is home-built, so the
>FAA's involvement is limited.
>
>"They're built by the pilot, so you can have somebody miss something in the
>process," Allen Kenitzer, spokesman for the region office of the FAA, said
>Monday.
>
>He said that last Friday, a similar plane crashed in Priest Lake, Idaho,
>resulting in two fatalities. The FAA is also investigating that crash.
>
>Sheel's plane was built last year, but according to Dean Hall, a longtime
>friend and pilot, the design for the RV-8 has been around for eight years.
>
>It uses a Lycoming engine, which is also used in commercially made planes
>and can reach speeds of more than 200 mph, he said.
>
>"The difference between certificated airplanes and the experimental plane
>is
>that the certificated airplanes were designed 50 years ago, and the
>experimental planes have recent design and better performance," Hall said.
>"Typically, they're faster and more efficient because the design is cleaner
>aerodynamically."
>
>Hall said that Sheel had been flying the RV-8 for the past year.
>
>"I examined it when it was finished, and I flew in it with him," Hall said.
>"It flew very well."
>
>Hall said he has flown in the plane several times since then.
>
>"He's a very fine pilot," he said of Sheel.
>
>According to FAA records, Sheel held a commercial pilot license in 2001 and
>held a general aviation license since 2003.
>
>Family members of Sheel and Schneider could not be reached for comment
>Monday. Roggy said the family did not want to be interviewed.
>
>
>--
>
>
>--
>
>
>--
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rad Z <microsmurfer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 accident |
There was a photo of that plane posted somewhere.. It
looked as if you could dust it off and fly it again..
minimal damage visible..
--- BOB martin wrote:
>
>
> I went to Dan C's site and went to his NTSB file for
> the rv's and read about
> it.
> Seems to have been a low on fuel, stall accident,
> but read it for yourself.
> http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.html
> Bob Martin
__________________________________
http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
Good source. Thanks. Always wonder what I can learn from an accident.
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BOB martin
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV-8 accident
I went to Dan C's site and went to his NTSB file for the rv's and read about
it.
Seems to have been a low on fuel, stall accident, but read it for yourself.
http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.html
Bob Martin
>From: "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: FW: RV-8
>Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:59:50 -0400 0.06 HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY
>BODY: HTML contains text after BODY close tag
>
>
>
>Friend sent this to me. Obviously not an aviation source. Wonder what
>happened?
>
>
>Wayne
>
>
> _____
>
>From: Gene Jackson [mailto:gjackson(at)gamewood.net]
>To: Wayne Williams
>Subject: RV-8
>
>
>Victim ID'd in fatal plane crash
>
>Cheyenne man, 35, was killed Sunday in experimental aircraft
>
>By Tillie Fong, Rocky Mountain News
>August 9, 2005
>
>A man killed in the crash of an experimental airplane at the Fort
>Collins-Loveland Airport on Sunday has been identified as Jay Schneider,
>35,
>of Cheyenne.
>
>Schneider died when the Vans RV-8 plane came in on its belly about 1,500
>feet west of the airport's north-south runway.
>
>The Larimer County coroner's office conducted the autopsy late Monday.
>
>The pilot, William Sheel, 47, of Greeley, was taken to Denver Health
>Medical
>Center on Sunday. He was in critical condition Monday, said Robyn Roggy, a
>family friend.
>
>Schneider was Sheel's son-in-law, Roggy said.
>
>Shortly after 9 a.m. Sunday, the plane apparently landed on its belly,
>intact, and there was no fire, witnesses told authorities.
>
>The Federal Aviation Administration is starting an investigation, but the
>RV-8 is considered an experimental plane because it is home-built, so the
>FAA's involvement is limited.
>
>"They're built by the pilot, so you can have somebody miss something in the
>process," Allen Kenitzer, spokesman for the region office of the FAA, said
>Monday.
>
>He said that last Friday, a similar plane crashed in Priest Lake, Idaho,
>resulting in two fatalities. The FAA is also investigating that crash.
>
>Sheel's plane was built last year, but according to Dean Hall, a longtime
>friend and pilot, the design for the RV-8 has been around for eight years.
>
>It uses a Lycoming engine, which is also used in commercially made planes
>and can reach speeds of more than 200 mph, he said.
>
>"The difference between certificated airplanes and the experimental plane
>is
>that the certificated airplanes were designed 50 years ago, and the
>experimental planes have recent design and better performance," Hall said.
>"Typically, they're faster and more efficient because the design is cleaner
>aerodynamically."
>
>Hall said that Sheel had been flying the RV-8 for the past year.
>
>"I examined it when it was finished, and I flew in it with him," Hall said.
>"It flew very well."
>
>Hall said he has flown in the plane several times since then.
>
>"He's a very fine pilot," he said of Sheel.
>
>According to FAA records, Sheel held a commercial pilot license in 2001 and
>held a general aviation license since 2003.
>
>Family members of Sheel and Schneider could not be reached for comment
>Monday. Roggy said the family did not want to be interviewed.
>
>
>--
>
>
>--
>
>
>--
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | EAA 731 Fall Fly-In |
Thanks Bart. It's been added to the calendar.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com/serv
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Bart Filipiak
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:50 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 731 Fall Fly-In
>
> -->
>
> Need an excuse to go flying?
>
> EAA Local Chapter 731 in Hickory is hosting a fly-in on
> Saturday September 24th. At present we plan to host the
> fly-in at the Morganton - Lenoir airport (MRN). We hope to
> have some aircraft judging, food, and fun. An official flyer
> will be distributed as soon as all details are ironed out.
> Once that happens I will post an update. Information will
> also be available (eventually, but not as of now) on the
> chapter webpage: http://www.eaa731.org
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dilbert" <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com> |
The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
cause!
Any advice is appreciated...
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | One Six Right :: Aerials |
Wow. Check out the video below.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SoCAL-RVlist(at)yahoogroups.com
>
> Great video! These clips will make your day!!!
>
> http://www.onesixright.com/video/aerials.html
> http://www.onesixright.com
>
> Dan B.
> RV4 671DJ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lance Arbuckle <serv(at)arbuckle.org> |
| Subject: | Re: One Six Right :: Aerials |
Larry Bowen wrote:
>
> Wow. Check out the video below.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
Hi guys,
I had the pleasure of attending the screening of One Six Right last Sat
in LA. The aviation stories told in the film and the aerials were
great. Please, everyone sign up on the 16R website for a DVD and help
support the film.
Lance Arbuckle
W-S, NC
http://www.onesixright.com
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 8/18/2005 11:04:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com writes:
The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
cause!
Any advice is appreciated...
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8
Mine is up for quote right now .... maybe we should talk to the local guy in
Greensboro ... member of Chapter 8 .... located on Regional Road ... as you
can see I can't remember the name of the company ??
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Lauringburg/Maxton Fly In Saturday |
Guys:
John Miller from Raeford informed me that there is a fly in at
Lauringburg/Maxton airport on Saturday if anyone is looking for somewhere to fly
to !!
Len
For details you can reach John at: _Jmillbyz(at)aol.com_
(mailto:Jmillbyz(at)aol.com) or (910) 977-3870
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
That's got to be for full hull coverage.
I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only. There
are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs to collect
for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger check from
my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately likely.
If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own aircraft
insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Dilbert <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
cause!
Any advice is appreciated...
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What if
the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but the
plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane that
alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
Ron Awad
>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>
>
>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>
>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only.
> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>likely.
>
>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dilbert <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>cause!
>
>Any advice is appreciated...
>
>-
>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Yes, that's for $75K hull. Maybe that's where I'm going wrong.
We had considered doing one of the ground/liability coverages only, but my
finance officer doesn't like that. "We have full coverage on the cars
that are worth a fraction what the plane is!"
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>
> That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>
> I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare,
> liability-only. There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if
> my family needs to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be
> getting a far bigger check from my life insurance company. Not
> necessarily, but moderately likely.
>
> If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
> aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dilbert <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
> The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
> for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
> NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
> or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
> surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
> total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
> day
> ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
> cause!
>
> Any advice is appreciated...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen, RV-8
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I think you are thinking of AIG -- the lower of the two quotes I've
already received.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Lenleg(at)aol.com said:
>
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2005 11:04:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com writes:
>
> The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received
> quotes
> for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
> NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with
> $2283
> or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
> surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
> total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
> day
> ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
> cause!
>
> Any advice is appreciated...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen, RV-8
>
>
> Mine is up for quote right now .... maybe we should talk to the local guy
> in
> Greensboro ... member of Chapter 8 .... located on Regional Road ... as
> you
> can see I can't remember the name of the company ??
>
> Len
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
My understanding of the "liability only" option:
Referred to by those in the biz as GIM (ground, in motion) or GNIM
(ground, not in motion). Same liability, hull and medical coverages as
full coverage until you take the active runway (GIM) or begin moving under
the plane's power (GNIM), at that point hull coverage stops.
A tempting way to save! But when that ground loop/bird strike/oil
leak/bad gas/interstate landing happens, that $xxxx/yr saved is going to
seem like chicken feed!
I can see arguments both ways. Thus the dilemma....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
DOUGPFLYRV(at)aol.com said:
>
> Good luck guys. Ours renewed in April on our RV7 & went up from $1801 to
> $2175. I have 1 partner who is the low timer with over 4000 total, Comm,
> Inst,
> ME and jet rated. We both do annual recurrency in sims and have several
> hundred hours tail wheel. Ins. is getting totally ridicules. I am
> considering
> carrying liability only. Please share any tips with all of us.
> Regards,
> Doug Preston,
> RV7 N731RV
> BHM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
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obfuscation(at)roxy.matronics.com
True, but you're about fifty times more likely to be hit by the other guy in the
car than in a plane.
Forgot about the ground-loop thing. Unless you're going to confine your flying
to days when the wind is straight down the runway, better keep that hull coverage,
li'l tail-dragger ;-)
See ya in Ocracoke? Man, I miss everybody. SERV is deadsville this past month.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Bowen <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
Yes, that's for $75K hull. Maybe that's where I'm going wrong.
We had considered doing one of the ground/liability coverages only, but my
finance officer doesn't like that. "We have full coverage on the cars
that are worth a fraction what the plane is!"
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>
> That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>
> I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare,
> liability-only. There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if
> my family needs to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be
> getting a far bigger check from my life insurance company. Not
> necessarily, but moderately likely.
>
> If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
> aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dilbert <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
> The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
> for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
> NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
> or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
> surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
> total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
> day
> ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
> cause!
>
> Any advice is appreciated...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen, RV-8
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you buy
the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it. Then they'll
sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out, so you can start
rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical and overstated, I know,
but we've all heard the stories enough to know that having the coverage is
just the beginning, not the end, of your woes in an accident.
I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What if
the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but the
plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane that
alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
Ron Awad
>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>
>
>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>
>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only.
> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>likely.
>
>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dilbert <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>cause!
>
>Any advice is appreciated...
>
>-
>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a(at)earthlink.net> |
Stormy, what state are you in that requires you to have insurance on an
aircraft ?
Ollie Fl
----- Original Message -----
From: <sportav8r(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
> It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you
> buy the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it.
> Then they'll sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out,
> so you can start rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical
> and overstated, I know, but we've all heard the stories enough to know
> that having the coverage is just the beginning, not the end, of your woes
> in an accident.
>
> I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>
>
> No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
> save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
> loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What
> if
> the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but
> the
> plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane
> that
> alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
> investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>>
>>
>>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>>
>>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare,
>>liability-only.
>> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>>likely.
>>
>>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dilbert <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>
>>
>>
>>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
>>day
>>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>>cause!
>>
>>Any advice is appreciated...
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>
> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Breda <dbreda(at)earthlink.net> |
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0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419)
Ok, here's my $.02... I just renewed a couple days ago with AUA in
GSO... the policy is with AIG and is liability only (it's still too
much!). I've been flying my RV-6 for 13 years now and have never had
hull insurance, so I figure I'm ahead. It's a gamble...
Dana Breda
sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you buy
the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it. Then they'll
sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out, so you can start
rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical and overstated, I
know, but we've all heard the stories enough to know that having the coverage
is just the beginning, not the end, of your woes in an accident.
>
>I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
>save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
>loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What if
>the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but the
>plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane that
>alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
>investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
>
>
>>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>>
>>
>>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>>
>>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only.
>> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>>likely.
>>
>>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dilbert <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>
>>
>>
>>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
>>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>>cause!
>>
>>Any advice is appreciated...
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Breda <dbreda(at)earthlink.net> |
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0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419)
Ok, here's my $.02... I just renewed a couple days ago with AUA in
GSO... the policy is with AIG and is liability only (it's still too
much!). I've been flying my RV-6 for 13 years now and have never had
hull insurance, so I figure I'm ahead. It's a gamble...
Dana Breda
sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you buy
the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it. Then they'll
sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out, so you can start
rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical and overstated, I
know, but we've all heard the stories enough to know that having the coverage
is just the beginning, not the end, of your woes in an accident.
>
>I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
>save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
>loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What if
>the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but the
>plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane that
>alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
>investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
>
>
>>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>>
>>
>>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>>
>>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only.
>> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>>likely.
>>
>>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dilbert <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>
>>
>>
>>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
>>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>>cause!
>>
>>Any advice is appreciated...
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Demeylor(at)aol.com |
I recently Insured my RV-8. I found A 100% difference between quotes. The
local group AUA was able to write a police no one else would write at half the
price. Dean
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I've asked them for a quote. Thx.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Demeylor(at)aol.com
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:49 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
> I recently Insured my RV-8. I found A 100% difference
> between quotes. The local group AUA was able to write a
> police no one else would write at half the price. Dean
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)bellsouth.net> |
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I had liability only on my Q-2 and Skybolt as I figured I didn't have all
that much in the airplane and, although morbid, thought anything that would
have devastated those airplanes would leave me without a need for an
airplane. My RV-6, however I went for full coverage and will never regret
it. I had an engine come apart and the forced landing in a rough area
damaged the airplane (but not us fortunately). I had no problem with the
insurance folks at all and got the full insured amount quickly. I did not
pursue buying the airplane back other than asked to be notified when it
became available but I never heard anything.
Short answer, with as much as most of us have invested I think the hull
insurance is worth it. However, shopping around is worth every minute spent
as well.
Marcus
RV-10 fuselage in progress
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Breda
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch 0.86 HTML_OBFUSCATE_10_20 BODY: Message
is 10% to 20% HTML obfuscation 0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee
fraud (Nigerian 419)
Ok, here's my $.02... I just renewed a couple days ago with AUA in
GSO... the policy is with AIG and is liability only (it's still too
much!). I've been flying my RV-6 for 13 years now and have never had
hull insurance, so I figure I'm ahead. It's a gamble...
Dana Breda
sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you
buy the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it. Then
they'll sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out, so you
can start rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical and
overstated, I know, but we've all heard the stories enough to know that
having the coverage is just the beginning, not the end, of your woes in an
accident.
>
>I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>
>No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
>save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
>loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What if
>the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but the
>plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane that
>alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
>investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
>
>
>>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>>
>>
>>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>>
>>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare,
liability-only.
>> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>>likely.
>>
>>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dilbert <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>
>>
>>
>>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
day
>>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>>cause!
>>
>>Any advice is appreciated...
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Demeylor(at)aol.com |
I have the # at the office. Call me Monday @ 336-852-2222. Dean
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
I renewed in June with underwriter AIG through Falcon in TX; $311 for
the standard $1M liability policy (no hull). If I owned a $100k airframe
I might have to rethink the idea of running without hull, but hull on
$40k would have been about $1100 & I just can't justify that for 50-75
hrs of flying per year.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that insurance companies keep talking about
what a huge problem liability is, & use that as a justification for
raising rates, yet the lion's share of the premium is for the hull?
Charlie
sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>
>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only. There
are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs to collect
for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger check from
my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately likely.
>
>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own aircraft
insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dilbert <Dilbert(at)bowenaero.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>cause!
>
>Any advice is appreciated...
>
>-
>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
I flew my new Trio EZ pilot A/P with the new GPS connected for the first time yesterday,
and was that ever sweet! Kinda spooky to see invisible hands flying
your airplane for the first time in 500 hours. I'm easily impressed, but having
two brand new boxes in the cockpit with me on a test flight, I couldn't help
but be.
I'm still exploring the capabilities of the Trio, but it tracks a flight plan,
does the emergency 180, and holds a course well, and is a functional wing-leveler
even without GPS input. Installation was very straightforward and uncomplicated.
The Garmin 296 manual took all day Saturday and half the day Sunday to
pore over, but I think I am now capable of putting that unit through most of
its paces. The UPS man brought me a data cable last week for it, and a Panel
Dock form AirGizmos today, so by tonight it should be in my panel like it belongs
there, instead of dangling from a bunch of wires like yesterday ;-)
I had the EZ-Pilot follow a 90-degree turn at a flight plan waypoint, and the overshoot
to the outside of the turn was about 0.8nm at 150 mph, with a secondary
overshoot to the inside of 0.12nm before it locked onto the new heading outbound.
This is no doubt due to the 15 degree bank limiting default setting, so
I will play with the gain a bit on subsequent flights. Thanks, Sam B., for
your earlier suggestion of gain values. I plan to look them up and use them as
starting points.
-Stormy
very happy Garmin and Trio customer
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
Outstanding! Now the problem will be falling asleep on the long trip home.
Maybe you should put a DVD player in next...
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
I flew my new Trio EZ pilot A/P with the new GPS connected for the first
time yesterday, and was that ever sweet! Kinda spooky to see invisible
hands flying your airplane for the first time in 500 hours. I'm easily
impressed, but having two brand new boxes in the cockpit with me on a test
flight, I couldn't help but be.
I'm still exploring the capabilities of the Trio, but it tracks a flight
plan, does the emergency 180, and holds a course well, and is a functional
wing-leveler even without GPS input. Installation was very straightforward
and uncomplicated. The Garmin 296 manual took all day Saturday and half the
day Sunday to pore over, but I think I am now capable of putting that unit
through most of its paces. The UPS man brought me a data cable last week
for it, and a Panel Dock form AirGizmos today, so by tonight it should be in
my panel like it belongs there, instead of dangling from a bunch of wires
like yesterday ;-)
I had the EZ-Pilot follow a 90-degree turn at a flight plan waypoint, and
the overshoot to the outside of the turn was about 0.8nm at 150 mph, with a
secondary overshoot to the inside of 0.12nm before it locked onto the new
heading outbound. This is no doubt due to the 15 degree bank limiting
default setting, so I will play with the gain a bit on subsequent flights.
Thanks, Sam B., for your earlier suggestion of gain values. I plan to look
them up and use them as starting points.
-Stormy
very happy Garmin and Trio customer
--
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BOB martin" <libertyva(at)msn.com> |
Stormy,
Thanks for the update...you have been a busy boy!!!
Assuming the wing leveler connection installed in the wing, how was that to
install?
I was thinking about the under the seat install by TruTrak to make it easier
than working in the wing inspection hole.
So I guess you default to LEAD so the rest of us hand fliers can look smooth
following you! :-)
Bob Martin
Louisa Va
>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com, rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:58:07 -0400
>
>
>I flew my new Trio EZ pilot A/P with the new GPS connected for the first
>time yesterday, and was that ever sweet! Kinda spooky to see invisible
>hands flying your airplane for the first time in 500 hours. I'm easily
>impressed, but having two brand new boxes in the cockpit with me on a test
>flight, I couldn't help but be.
>
>I'm still exploring the capabilities of the Trio, but it tracks a flight
>plan, does the emergency 180, and holds a course well, and is a functional
>wing-leveler even without GPS input. Installation was very straightforward
>and uncomplicated. The Garmin 296 manual took all day Saturday and half
>the day Sunday to pore over, but I think I am now capable of putting that
>unit through most of its paces. The UPS man brought me a data cable last
>week for it, and a Panel Dock form AirGizmos today, so by tonight it should
>be in my panel like it belongs there, instead of dangling from a bunch of
>wires like yesterday ;-)
>
>I had the EZ-Pilot follow a 90-degree turn at a flight plan waypoint, and
>the overshoot to the outside of the turn was about 0.8nm at 150 mph, with a
>secondary overshoot to the inside of 0.12nm before it locked onto the new
>heading outbound. This is no doubt due to the 15 degree bank limiting
>default setting, so I will play with the gain a bit on subsequent flights.
>Thanks, Sam B., for your earlier suggestion of gain values. I plan to look
>them up and use them as starting points.
>
>-Stormy
>
>very happy Garmin and Trio customer
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
I found the wingtip install to go very smoothly, using SafeAir1-supplied parts.
One of the easiest mods I've ever done on the RV. I hate accessing the area
under the seat pans. For some reason, those screws are always a pain to take
in and out, the ribs bend and the plate nuts cross-thread, the edge screws are
too close to the fuselage sides to get on with a drill/driver, necessitating
the phillips bit in the 1/4" socket wrench trick, etc. I would never want to
install anything there if I had a choice.
Control head was a drop-in replacement in the T/C hole, four screws that mount
from the front with no nuts on the back - yippee!
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: BOB martin <libertyva(at)msn.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
Stormy,
Thanks for the update...you have been a busy boy!!!
Assuming the wing leveler connection installed in the wing, how was that to
install?
I was thinking about the under the seat install by TruTrak to make it easier
than working in the wing inspection hole.
So I guess you default to LEAD so the rest of us hand fliers can look smooth
following you! :-)
Bob Martin
Louisa Va
>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com, rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:58:07 -0400
>
>
>I flew my new Trio EZ pilot A/P with the new GPS connected for the first
>time yesterday, and was that ever sweet! Kinda spooky to see invisible
>hands flying your airplane for the first time in 500 hours. I'm easily
>impressed, but having two brand new boxes in the cockpit with me on a test
>flight, I couldn't help but be.
>
>I'm still exploring the capabilities of the Trio, but it tracks a flight
>plan, does the emergency 180, and holds a course well, and is a functional
>wing-leveler even without GPS input. Installation was very straightforward
>and uncomplicated. The Garmin 296 manual took all day Saturday and half
>the day Sunday to pore over, but I think I am now capable of putting that
>unit through most of its paces. The UPS man brought me a data cable last
>week for it, and a Panel Dock form AirGizmos today, so by tonight it should
>be in my panel like it belongs there, instead of dangling from a bunch of
>wires like yesterday ;-)
>
>I had the EZ-Pilot follow a 90-degree turn at a flight plan waypoint, and
>the overshoot to the outside of the turn was about 0.8nm at 150 mph, with a
>secondary overshoot to the inside of 0.12nm before it locked onto the new
>heading outbound. This is no doubt due to the 15 degree bank limiting
>default setting, so I will play with the gain a bit on subsequent flights.
>Thanks, Sam B., for your earlier suggestion of gain values. I plan to look
>them up and use them as starting points.
>
>-Stormy
>
>very happy Garmin and Trio customer
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Hi, Wayne.
My 17 year old has shown me how to copy music CD's onto my Palm Tungsten, so I
have a poor man's iPod, and the plane is wired for stereo Aux In. I'm all set.
My titles include "Highway Star" by Deep Purple, and "Move It On Over," "Mustang
Sally" and other road trip hits for gettin' on down the airways :-) I need
to get "Danger Zone" (Top Gun) for the barrel roll sequence...
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
Outstanding! Now the problem will be falling asleep on the long trip home.
Maybe you should put a DVD player in next...
Wayne
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Stormy says........the edge screws are too close to the fuselage sides to
get on with a drill/driver, necessitating the phillips bit in the 1/4"
socket wrench trick, etc
Stormy,
Have you tried using one of the 6" flex drives in your electric screwdriver
or drill? Could not be without that thing!
Dale Ensing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | vitez(at)carolina.rr.com |
Does tapping nutplates, as instructions suggest, help any? I need to
do that next/soon, so I'm really curious whether to bother with that
or not..
Thanks!
Radomir
-7A Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
Date: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>
> Stormy says........the edge screws are too close to the fuselage
> sides to
> get on with a drill/driver, necessitating the phillips bit in the
1/4"
> socket wrench trick, etc
>
> Stormy,
> Have you tried using one of the 6" flex drives in your electric
> screwdriveror drill? Could not be without that thing!
> Dale Ensing
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BOB martin" <libertyva(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | tapping nutplates |
Yes it helps a lot from what I've found!
Bob Martin
Louisa Va
>From: vitez(at)carolina.rr.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:59:45 -0400
>
>
>Does tapping nutplates, as instructions suggest, help any? I need to
>do that next/soon, so I'm really curious whether to bother with that
>or not..
>
>Thanks!
>
>Radomir
>-7A Fuselage
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Date: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:39 pm
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>
> >
> > Stormy says........the edge screws are too close to the fuselage
> > sides to
> > get on with a drill/driver, necessitating the phillips bit in the
>1/4"
> > socket wrench trick, etc
> >
> > Stormy,
> > Have you tried using one of the 6" flex drives in your electric
> > screwdriveror drill? Could not be without that thing!
> > Dale Ensing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Radomir,
Another technique for preparing nutplates that I have used is a Allen head
cap screw of the proper size. The cap screws are made from a hardened
material and will open up the threads a bit without cutting into the
nutplates. Also, the recessed hex head makes it easier to use vs. a Phillips
or sloted. If I have many nutplates to do, I have chucked the round external
head of the screw into my electric drill and run it slowly into the
nutplate. It also helps to put some Moly containing lube on the capscrew.
Dale Ensing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I've carefully used the tap on only a couple nutplates. It seemed to take
ALL the bite out of it instead of just breaking them in. Maybe I did it too
much. Anyway, I prefer to use some dry BoeLube on the screw threads
instead. Same effect without loosening the grip of the nutplate.
As Dale suggested, socket head cap screws are a nice upgrade where they
won't be in the way. The edges of my cockpit floors, footwells and baggage
floors are installed with these, and it make screwing/unscrewing in crowded
or awkward areas much easier.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of vitez(at)carolina.rr.com
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:00 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>
>
> Does tapping nutplates, as instructions suggest, help any? I
> need to do that next/soon, so I'm really curious whether to
> bother with that or not..
>
> Thanks!
>
> Radomir
> -7A Fuselage
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> Date: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:39 pm
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>
> >
> > Stormy says........the edge screws are too close to the
> fuselage sides
> > to get on with a drill/driver, necessitating the phillips bit in the
> 1/4"
> > socket wrench trick, etc
> >
> > Stormy,
> > Have you tried using one of the 6" flex drives in your electric
> > screwdriveror drill? Could not be without that thing!
> > Dale Ensing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
Larry, I thought you used the Torx screws...
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Bowen
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
-->
I've carefully used the tap on only a couple nutplates. It seemed to take
ALL the bite out of it instead of just breaking them in. Maybe I did it too
much. Anyway, I prefer to use some dry BoeLube on the screw threads
instead. Same effect without loosening the grip of the nutplate.
As Dale suggested, socket head cap screws are a nice upgrade where they
won't be in the way. The edges of my cockpit floors, footwells and baggage
floors are installed with these, and it make screwing/unscrewing in crowded
or awkward areas much easier.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> vitez(at)carolina.rr.com
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:00 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>
>
> Does tapping nutplates, as instructions suggest, help any? I need to
> do that next/soon, so I'm really curious whether to bother with that
> or not..
>
> Thanks!
>
> Radomir
> -7A Fuselage
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> Date: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:39 pm
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>
> >
> > Stormy says........the edge screws are too close to the
> fuselage sides
> > to get on with a drill/driver, necessitating the phillips bit in the
> 1/4"
> > socket wrench trick, etc
> >
> > Stormy,
> > Have you tried using one of the 6" flex drives in your electric
> > screwdriveror drill? Could not be without that thing!
> > Dale Ensing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Good links from the SoCal list:
http://www.runwayfinder.com/
And
http://www.linhadafrente.net/bin/Pousos.wmv
Ouch! I cringe seeing that landing gear take that! Funny how none of these
are tailwheel aircraft.....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Yes, for flush screws, like on the spinner, the cowl right behind the
spinner and inspection covers, I'm using SS torx screws. For none flush
areas, SS socket head cap screws are even more durable.
The downside is you have to keep the different sized tools handy for all
these non-typical fasteners! I have nice ratchet nutdriver that takes
different torx/hex/philips/straight bits.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Wayne Williams
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:27 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>
> -->
>
> Larry, I thought you used the Torx screws...
>
> Wayne
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
>
> -->
>
> I've carefully used the tap on only a couple nutplates. It
> seemed to take ALL the bite out of it instead of just
> breaking them in. Maybe I did it too much. Anyway, I prefer
> to use some dry BoeLube on the screw threads instead. Same
> effect without loosening the grip of the nutplate.
>
> As Dale suggested, socket head cap screws are a nice upgrade
> where they won't be in the way. The edges of my cockpit
> floors, footwells and baggage floors are installed with
> these, and it make screwing/unscrewing in crowded or awkward
> areas much easier.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > vitez(at)carolina.rr.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:00 PM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
> >
> >
> > Does tapping nutplates, as instructions suggest, help any?
> I need to
> > do that next/soon, so I'm really curious whether to bother
> with that
> > or not..
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Radomir
> > -7A Fuselage
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > Date: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:39 pm
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Trio update
> >
> > >
> > > Stormy says........the edge screws are too close to the
> > fuselage sides
> > > to get on with a drill/driver, necessitating the phillips
> bit in the
> > 1/4"
> > > socket wrench trick, etc
> > >
> > > Stormy,
> > > Have you tried using one of the 6" flex drives in your electric
> > > screwdriveror drill? Could not be without that thing!
> > > Dale Ensing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | nutplates MADE EASY |
Way easier is to buy a bottle of liquid Boelube from Avery or Spruce. (4.95
I think - be sure to get liquid and not stick) One drop on the thread and
you can easily turn it in by hand. Much less drastic and easier than
tapping if I understand the question. It's like magic. Also works great as
a drill lube.
Bill S
7a Ark
fuse panel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dale
Ensing
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: nutplates
Radomir,
Another technique for preparing nutplates that I have used is a Allen head
cap screw of the proper size. The cap screws are made from a hardened
material and will open up the threads a bit without cutting into the
nutplates. Also, the recessed hex head makes it easier to use vs. a Phillips
or sloted. If I have many nutplates to do, I have chucked the round external
head of the screw into my electric drill and run it slowly into the
nutplate. It also helps to put some Moly containing lube on the capscrew.
Dale Ensing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | vitez(at)carolina.rr.com |
| Subject: | Re: nutplates MADE EASY |
Thanks everyone. Yes, I have liquid Boelube, and it's awesome.. I'll
just use that and probably one of those "alternative" screws..
shouldn't be a problem.
Radomir
-7A Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schlatterer <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:09 pm
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: nutplates MADE EASY
>
> Way easier is to buy a bottle of liquid Boelube from Avery or
> Spruce. (4.95
> I think - be sure to get liquid and not stick) One drop on the
> thread and
> you can easily turn it in by hand. Much less drastic and easier than
> tapping if I understand the question. It's like magic. Also
> works great as
> a drill lube.
>
> Bill S
> 7a Ark
> fuse panel
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 8/22/2005 10:35:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Larry(at)bowenaero.com writes:
http://www.runwayfinder.com/
Larry:
Anyway you can add this one to SERV .... this one is great !!!!
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: nutplates MADE EASY |
Way easier is to buy a bottle of liquid Boelube from Avery or Spruce. (4.95
I think - be sure to get liquid and not stick)
To Bill S......why .......be sure to get liquid and not stick?
Dale E
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: servo oscillation |
Thanks, Jerry. Good explanation. I did try damping it by holding the aileron
trailing edge with my fingertips, but no success. Never has been as issue on
test flights so far, and I want to retain the precision tracking in the air,
so I will leave well-enough alone.
I do think that this incidental stick-shaker feature would get my attention if
I ever tried a takeoff with the servo engaged. Still, it's nice to have the GPS
ground roll disconnect software built-in :-)
Anticipate gain control test flights today,and will contact you if I have any issues.
Directions look very straightforward.
I will copy this to the RV list for general edification; many are following this
discussion and I want them to know how helpful you've been and how good the
EZ-Pilot is, IMO.
All the best to the tres hombres at Trio,
-Bill B
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Hansen <jerry(at)trioavionics.com>
Subject: RE: servo oscillation
Bill, that phenomenon is caused by the very narrow "deadband" in the Navaid servo.
It is seen in some, not all, aircraft with fairly massive counterweights
in the ailerons. It also varies with how free your controls are - i.e. if you
have a little friction in the system it will probably damp on its own (not that
I recommend putting friction into your control system). It can be eliminated
or reduced by opening up the deadband area of the servo (an internal potentiometer
adjustment), but his will also affect the responsiveness of the servo
somewhat and reduce its performance characteristics. If you can tolerate the
stick shake on the ground, I would say to leave it alone and get the better performance
in the air.
What is actually happening here is common in classic servo systems that are "underdamped",
often for better response. When you turn the servo on (on the ground
where there is no airload on the ailerons) the servo will move the ailerons
to the neutral position. Because of the mass in the ailerons and the rapid
movement of the servo it will reach the neutral point but the mass will cause
it to overshoot a small amount. This will generate an error signal causing the
servo to rapidly correct in the opposite direction (again with a small amount
of overshoot). As this process repeats, you get the oscillation that you mention.
The narrow deadband does give the servo the ability to react quickly (as in turbulence)
and to input very small corrections to the controls for extremely fine
tracking control.
We can give you directions on how to reduce or eliminate the effect if you want.
However, as mentioned, It may reduce the performance some in the air. Because
there is no need to turn the servo on while on the ground, except for the
preflight check, you shouldn't find it to be a big problem in normal operation.
It will definately not harm the autopilot system in any way.
If you'd like more information, please let us know.
Best Regards,
Jerry Hansen
Trio Avionics
http://www.trioavionics.com
Phone - 619-448-4619
From: sportav8r(at)aol.com [mailto:sportav8r(at)aol.com]
Subject: servo oscillation
Do I need to do anything about a 2-3 Hz joystick oscillation that does not damp,
caused by activating the aileron servo while the airplane is on the ground not
in motion?
Thanks, guys,
-Bill Boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Ocracoke is 10 days away |
September 2 is approaching, gang.
I have the following couples on my short list of participants:
Millsaps
Leggettes
Barbees
Williams
Bowens
Boyds
Glasgows
That's 14 of us. There's room on the island for more :-)
I'd like for everyone who's still "in" to confirm here on the list. Anyone dropping
out, please tell us so we can give your room reservation to someone else
in the group. Those of you who didn't get a room at the Crews Inn, where are
you staying? I suggest we carry some of those PRS walkie-talkies (the kind with
the 14 channels and the 38 privacy codes) so we can coordinate group activities
like dinners, sightseeing flights, etc. That might be especially helpful
for those in our group who are lodging elsewhere.
I made a few calls today and found one place that will not only reserve rental
bikes for us, they'll drop them at the airstrip for us and let us leave them there
when we depart Monday. The rental rate is $23 plus tax for a three-day adult
bike rental, ($39 for 3 days for a bicycle-for-two tandem rental). They
want a credit card prepayment, and will then give you the combination to the lock,
so you can ride away from the tie-down area in style on Friday. For those
who may not know, the island is small and everything is within walking distance
of a fit person if you've got all day, but bikes are the way to go! The Crews
Inn lodge-keeper has been generous in the past with automobile pickups and
occasional rides, but for the most part we'll need our own transportation while
there. Bring safety gear like helmets, lights/cyalume sticks for night riding,
and bug spray. I warned you ;-) IMO, Backpacks are a must for getting
gear and purchases to and from the beaches and shops
on a bike, but I htink they have handlebar baskets, too. To reserve your two-wheeled
transportation, call Beach Outfitters at 252-928-6261. Might want to
mention that you're with the group of pilots staying at the Crews Inn Sept. 2-5.
I did not ask about their cancellation/refund policy, but keep that in mind
if your plans are in doubt. There are other places to rent bikes if these guys
run short, but the other places won't reserve them or deliver them.
This is going to be fun! Let's hear some ideas for things to do while we're vegging
for three nights on the Outer Banks. I'm bringing my laptop, humidor, and
some "spam can ham radio" stuff to amuse myself if y'all get too boring. Folding
beach chairs & umbrella. There might be room left for my guitar if no
one pays me enough to leave it at home.
Sound off! Roll call!
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke is 10 days away |
Here!!! Steve and Lynne are in!!!
I'll bring the Scotch!!!
Steve Glasgow
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: <sportav8r(at)aol.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
>
> September 2 is approaching, gang.
>
> I have the following couples on my short list of participants:
>
> Millsaps
> Leggettes
> Barbees
> Williams
> Bowens
> Boyds
> Glasgows
>
> That's 14 of us. There's room on the island for more :-)
>
> I'd like for everyone who's still "in" to confirm here on the list.
> Anyone dropping out, please tell us so we can give your room reservation
> to someone else in the group. Those of you who didn't get a room at the
> Crews Inn, where are you staying? I suggest we carry some of those PRS
> walkie-talkies (the kind with the 14 channels and the 38 privacy codes) so
> we can coordinate group activities like dinners, sightseeing flights, etc.
> That might be especially helpful for those in our group who are lodging
> elsewhere.
>
> I made a few calls today and found one place that will not only reserve
> rental bikes for us, they'll drop them at the airstrip for us and let us
> leave them there when we depart Monday. The rental rate is $23 plus tax
> for a three-day adult bike rental, ($39 for 3 days for a bicycle-for-two
> tandem rental). They want a credit card prepayment, and will then give
> you the combination to the lock, so you can ride away from the tie-down
> area in style on Friday. For those who may not know, the island is small
> and everything is within walking distance of a fit person if you've got
> all day, but bikes are the way to go! The Crews Inn lodge-keeper has been
> generous in the past with automobile pickups and occasional rides, but for
> the most part we'll need our own transportation while there. Bring safety
> gear like helmets, lights/cyalume sticks for night riding, and bug spray.
> I warned you ;-) IMO, Backpacks are a must for getting gear and purchases
> to and from the beaches and shops
> on a bike, but I htink they have handlebar baskets, too. To reserve your
> two-wheeled transportation, call Beach Outfitters at 252-928-6261. Might
> want to mention that you're with the group of pilots staying at the Crews
> Inn Sept. 2-5. I did not ask about their cancellation/refund policy, but
> keep that in mind if your plans are in doubt. There are other places to
> rent bikes if these guys run short, but the other places won't reserve
> them or deliver them.
>
> This is going to be fun! Let's hear some ideas for things to do while
> we're vegging for three nights on the Outer Banks. I'm bringing my
> laptop, humidor, and some "spam can ham radio" stuff to amuse myself if
> y'all get too boring. Folding beach chairs & umbrella. There might be
> room left for my guitar if no one pays me enough to leave it at home.
>
> Sound off! Roll call!
>
> -Stormy
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke is 10 days away |
In a message dated 8/23/2005 12:33:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sportav8r(at)aol.com writes:
September 2 is approaching, gang.
I have the following couples on my short list of participants:
Millsaps
Leggettes
Barbees
Williams
Bowens
Boyds
Glasgows
That's 14 of us. There's room on the island for more :-)
Leggette's are in and just called the bicycle shop ... busy signal !!
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | nutplates MADE EASY |
The stick just doesn't,.... stick! One drop of the liquid and it's done.
Liquid also works better for drill lube.
Bill S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dale
Ensing
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: nutplates MADE EASY
Way easier is to buy a bottle of liquid Boelube from Avery or Spruce. (4.95
I think - be sure to get liquid and not stick)
To Bill S......why .......be sure to get liquid and not stick?
Dale E
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke is 10 days away |
We currently have Jesse and Lucille's room reserved at the Crews Inn. Unfortunately,
it looks like we will have to cancel on this outing...... too much stuff
going on to spend the whole weekend. We may fly up for a day trip. I plan
to call the Crews Inn later today to officially cancel there. If any SERV person
is interested in the room, it will become available later today.
Craig Gallenbach
RV8AQB fuselage ... installing seats, sticks, step, etc.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke is 10 days away |
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Pam & I are still planning to be there....The first annual SERV Labor Day
Get Away....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
| Subject: | Ocracoke is 10 days away |
If I'm the "Williams" on the list, I'm out (again). I'm on call (as usual).
Sorry :(
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
September 2 is approaching, gang.
I have the following couples on my short list of participants:
Millsaps
Leggettes
Barbees
Williams
Bowens
Boyds
Glasgows
That's 14 of us. There's room on the island for more :-)
I'd like for everyone who's still "in" to confirm here on the list. Anyone
dropping out, please tell us so we can give your room reservation to someone
else in the group. Those of you who didn't get a room at the Crews Inn,
where are you staying? I suggest we carry some of those PRS walkie-talkies
(the kind with the 14 channels and the 38 privacy codes) so we can
coordinate group activities like dinners, sightseeing flights, etc. That
might be especially helpful for those in our group who are lodging
elsewhere.
I made a few calls today and found one place that will not only reserve
rental bikes for us, they'll drop them at the airstrip for us and let us
leave them there when we depart Monday. The rental rate is $23 plus tax for
a three-day adult bike rental, ($39 for 3 days for a bicycle-for-two tandem
rental). They want a credit card prepayment, and will then give you the
combination to the lock, so you can ride away from the tie-down area in
style on Friday. For those who may not know, the island is small and
everything is within walking distance of a fit person if you've got all day,
but bikes are the way to go! The Crews Inn lodge-keeper has been generous
in the past with automobile pickups and occasional rides, but for the most
part we'll need our own transportation while there. Bring safety gear like
helmets, lights/cyalume sticks for night riding, and bug spray. I warned
you ;-) IMO, Backpacks are a must for getting gear and purchases to and
from the beaches and shops on a bike, but I htink they have handlebar
baskets, too. To reserve your two-wheeled transportation, call Beach
Outfitters at 252-928-6261. Might want to mention that you're with the
group of pilots staying at the Crews Inn Sept. 2-5. I did not ask about
their cancellation/refund policy, but keep that in mind if your plans are in
doubt. There are other places to rent bikes if these guys run short, but
the other places won't reserve them or deliver them.
This is going to be fun! Let's hear some ideas for things to do while we're
vegging for three nights on the Outer Banks. I'm bringing my laptop,
humidor, and some "spam can ham radio" stuff to amuse myself if y'all get
too boring. Folding beach chairs & umbrella. There might be room left for
my guitar if no one pays me enough to leave it at home.
Sound off! Roll call!
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke is 10 days away |
In a message dated 8/24/2005 7:44:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Larry(at)bowenaero.com writes:
Pam & I are still planning to be there....The first annual SERV Labor Day
Get Away....
-
Larry Bowen
When is everyone planning to arrive ... Friday afternoon ?
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke is 10 days away |
Mass arrival or one-by-one? The possibilities boggle.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
In a message dated 8/24/2005 7:44:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Larry(at)bowenaero.com writes:
Pam & I are still planning to be there....The first annual SERV Labor Day
Get Away....
-
Larry Bowen
When is everyone planning to arrive ... Friday afternoon ?
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke is 10 days away |
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Indeed you were the "Williams" on the list. And I seem to recall you saying that
the call thing was once again an issue; not sure what cog I slipped to put
you on the list when I "knew" that already. Aging is scary sometimes.
Sorry you won't be able to make it to the OBX getaway.
You and Larry need to come up this way some time and drop in for a visit. It's
established dogma that you can't remain a member of SERV indefinitely and never
go to Stormy's place, right?
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
If I'm the "Williams" on the list, I'm out (again). I'm on call (as usual).
Sorry :(
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
September 2 is approaching, gang.
I have the following couples on my short list of participants:
Millsaps
Leggettes
Barbees
Williams
Bowens
Boyds
Glasgows
That's 14 of us. There's room on the island for more :-)
I'd like for everyone who's still "in" to confirm here on the list. Anyone
dropping out, please tell us so we can give your room reservation to someone
else in the group. Those of you who didn't get a room at the Crews Inn,
where are you staying? I suggest we carry some of those PRS walkie-talkies
(the kind with the 14 channels and the 38 privacy codes) so we can
coordinate group activities like dinners, sightseeing flights, etc. That
might be especially helpful for those in our group who are lodging
elsewhere.
I made a few calls today and found one place that will not only reserve
rental bikes for us, they'll drop them at the airstrip for us and let us
leave them there when we depart Monday. The rental rate is $23 plus tax for
a three-day adult bike rental, ($39 for 3 days for a bicycle-for-two tandem
rental). They want a credit card prepayment, and will then give you the
combination to the lock, so you can ride away from the tie-down area in
style on Friday. For those who may not know, the island is small and
everything is within walking distance of a fit person if you've got all day,
but bikes are the way to go! The Crews Inn lodge-keeper has been generous
in the past with automobile pickups and occasional rides, but for the most
part we'll need our own transportation while there. Bring safety gear like
helmets, lights/cyalume sticks for night riding, and bug spray. I warned
you ;-) IMO, Backpacks are a must for getting gear and purchases to and
from the beaches and shops on a bike, but I htink they have handlebar
baskets, too. To reserve your two-wheeled transportation, call Beach
Outfitters at 252-928-6261. Might want to mention that you're with the
group of pilots staying at the Crews Inn Sept. 2-5. I did not ask about
their cancellation/refund policy, but keep that in mind if your plans are in
doubt. There are other places to rent bikes if these guys run short, but
the other places won't reserve them or deliver them.
This is going to be fun! Let's hear some ideas for things to do while we're
vegging for three nights on the Outer Banks. I'm bringing my laptop,
humidor, and some "spam can ham radio" stuff to amuse myself if y'all get
too boring. Folding beach chairs & umbrella. There might be room left for
my guitar if no one pays me enough to leave it at home.
Sound off! Roll call!
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke is 10 days away |
Thanks for the heads-up, Craig. Not sure how I left you off the official tally
in the first place. Sorry about that. Try to join us for the day if you can.
Keep pounding those rivets! I really miss that stage, but I love RV flyin'!
-Stormy
Wayne, maybe I confused you with Craig somehow. =:-O
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
We currently have Jesse and Lucille's room reserved at the Crews Inn.
Unfortunately, it looks like we will have to cancel on this outing...... too
much stuff going on to spend the whole weekend. We may fly up for a day trip.
I plan to call the Crews Inn later today to officially cancel there. If any
SERV person is interested in the room, it will become available later today.
Craig Gallenbach
RV8AQB fuselage ... installing seats, sticks, step, etc.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
| Subject: | Ocracoke is 10 days away |
My only fear is that I won't want to come home!
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
Indeed you were the "Williams" on the list. And I seem to recall you saying
that the call thing was once again an issue; not sure what cog I slipped to
put you on the list when I "knew" that already. Aging is scary sometimes.
Sorry you won't be able to make it to the OBX getaway.
You and Larry need to come up this way some time and drop in for a visit.
It's established dogma that you can't remain a member of SERV indefinitely
and never go to Stormy's place, right?
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
If I'm the "Williams" on the list, I'm out (again). I'm on call (as usual).
Sorry :(
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
September 2 is approaching, gang.
I have the following couples on my short list of participants:
Millsaps
Leggettes
Barbees
Williams
Bowens
Boyds
Glasgows
That's 14 of us. There's room on the island for more :-)
I'd like for everyone who's still "in" to confirm here on the list. Anyone
dropping out, please tell us so we can give your room reservation to someone
else in the group. Those of you who didn't get a room at the Crews Inn,
where are you staying? I suggest we carry some of those PRS walkie-talkies
(the kind with the 14 channels and the 38 privacy codes) so we can
coordinate group activities like dinners, sightseeing flights, etc. That
might be especially helpful for those in our group who are lodging
elsewhere.
I made a few calls today and found one place that will not only reserve
rental bikes for us, they'll drop them at the airstrip for us and let us
leave them there when we depart Monday. The rental rate is $23 plus tax for
a three-day adult bike rental, ($39 for 3 days for a bicycle-for-two tandem
rental). They want a credit card prepayment, and will then give you the
combination to the lock, so you can ride away from the tie-down area in
style on Friday. For those who may not know, the island is small and
everything is within walking distance of a fit person if you've got all day,
but bikes are the way to go! The Crews Inn lodge-keeper has been generous
in the past with automobile pickups and occasional rides, but for the most
part we'll need our own transportation while there. Bring safety gear like
helmets, lights/cyalume sticks for night riding, and bug spray. I warned
you ;-) IMO, Backpacks are a must for getting gear and purchases to and
from the beaches and shops on a bike, but I htink they have handlebar
baskets, too. To reserve your two-wheeled transportation, call Beach
Outfitters at 252-928-6261. Might want to mention that you're with the
group of pilots staying at the Crews Inn Sept. 2-5. I did not ask about
their cancellation/refund policy, but keep that in mind if your plans are in
doubt. There are other places to rent bikes if these guys run short, but
the other places won't reserve them or deliver them.
This is going to be fun! Let's hear some ideas for things to do while we're
vegging for three nights on the Outer Banks. I'm bringing my laptop,
humidor, and some "spam can ham radio" stuff to amuse myself if y'all get
too boring. Folding beach chairs & umbrella. There might be room left for
my guitar if no one pays me enough to leave it at home.
Sound off! Roll call!
-Stormy
--
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
| Subject: | Ocracoke is 10 days away |
Maybe that's because I keep taking my airplane apart...
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
Thanks for the heads-up, Craig. Not sure how I left you off the official
tally in the first place. Sorry about that. Try to join us for the day if
you can. Keep pounding those rivets! I really miss that stage, but I love
RV flyin'!
-Stormy
Wayne, maybe I confused you with Craig somehow. =:-O
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
We currently have Jesse and Lucille's room reserved at the Crews Inn.
Unfortunately, it looks like we will have to cancel on this outing...... too
much stuff going on to spend the whole weekend. We may fly up for a day
trip.
I plan to call the Crews Inn later today to officially cancel there. If any
SERV person is interested in the room, it will become available later today.
Craig Gallenbach
RV8AQB fuselage ... installing seats, sticks, step, etc.
--
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke is 10 days away |
I know, Wayne; I know... I miss building, too. More than you, since I have no
second project underway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
Maybe that's because I keep taking my airplane apart...
Wayne
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke is 10 days away |
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We might could use a man of your talents up here. My neighbor is only working
3 days a week this month, and adding an indoor pool/solarium onto his house, so
I think something's in the wind. Semi-retired at age 52 - now that's a country
otolaryngologist for you ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
My only fear is that I won't want to come home!
Wayne
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Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
Indeed you were the "Williams" on the list. And I seem to recall you saying
that the call thing was once again an issue; not sure what cog I slipped to
put you on the list when I "knew" that already. Aging is scary sometimes.
Sorry you won't be able to make it to the OBX getaway.
You and Larry need to come up this way some time and drop in for a visit.
It's established dogma that you can't remain a member of SERV indefinitely
and never go to Stormy's place, right?
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
If I'm the "Williams" on the list, I'm out (again). I'm on call (as usual).
Sorry :(
Wayne
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Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
September 2 is approaching, gang.
I have the following couples on my short list of participants:
Millsaps
Leggettes
Barbees
Williams
Bowens
Boyds
Glasgows
That's 14 of us. There's room on the island for more :-)
I'd like for everyone who's still "in" to confirm here on the list. Anyone
dropping out, please tell us so we can give your room reservation to someone
else in the group. Those of you who didn't get a room at the Crews Inn,
where are you staying? I suggest we carry some of those PRS walkie-talkies
(the kind with the 14 channels and the 38 privacy codes) so we can
coordinate group activities like dinners, sightseeing flights, etc. That
might be especially helpful for those in our group who are lodging
elsewhere.
I made a few calls today and found one place that will not only reserve
rental bikes for us, they'll drop them at the airstrip for us and let us
leave them there when we depart Monday. The rental rate is $23 plus tax for
a three-day adult bike rental, ($39 for 3 days for a bicycle-for-two tandem
rental). They want a credit card prepayment, and will then give you the
combination to the lock, so you can ride away from the tie-down area in
style on Friday. For those who may not know, the island is small and
everything is within walking distance of a fit person if you've got all day,
but bikes are the way to go! The Crews Inn lodge-keeper has been generous
in the past with automobile pickups and occasional rides, but for the most
part we'll need our own transportation while there. Bring safety gear like
helmets, lights/cyalume sticks for night riding, and bug spray. I warned
you ;-) IMO, Backpacks are a must for getting gear and purchases to and
from the beaches and shops on a bike, but I htink they have handlebar
baskets, too. To reserve your two-wheeled transportation, call Beach
Outfitters at 252-928-6261. Might want to mention that you're with the
group of pilots staying at the Crews Inn Sept. 2-5. I did not ask about
their cancellation/refund policy, but keep that in mind if your plans are in
doubt. There are other places to rent bikes if these guys run short, but
the other places won't reserve them or deliver them.
This is going to be fun! Let's hear some ideas for things to do while we're
vegging for three nights on the Outer Banks. I'm bringing my laptop,
humidor, and some "spam can ham radio" stuff to amuse myself if y'all get
too boring. Folding beach chairs & umbrella. There might be room left for
my guitar if no one pays me enough to leave it at home.
Sound off! Roll call!
-Stormy
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| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
| Subject: | Ocracoke is 10 days away |
I've got 2 about to start college. Retirement=dream.
Wayne
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Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
We might could use a man of your talents up here. My neighbor is only
working 3 days a week this month, and adding an indoor pool/solarium onto
his house, so I think something's in the wind. Semi-retired at age 52 - now
that's a country otolaryngologist for you ;-)
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From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
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My only fear is that I won't want to come home!
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Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
Indeed you were the "Williams" on the list. And I seem to recall you saying
that the call thing was once again an issue; not sure what cog I slipped to
put you on the list when I "knew" that already. Aging is scary sometimes.
Sorry you won't be able to make it to the OBX getaway.
You and Larry need to come up this way some time and drop in for a visit.
It's established dogma that you can't remain a member of SERV indefinitely
and never go to Stormy's place, right?
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne(at)gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
If I'm the "Williams" on the list, I'm out (again). I'm on call (as usual).
Sorry :(
Wayne
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Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke is 10 days away
September 2 is approaching, gang.
I have the following couples on my short list of participants:
Millsaps
Leggettes
Barbees
Williams
Bowens
Boyds
Glasgows
That's 14 of us. There's room on the island for more :-)
I'd like for everyone who's still "in" to confirm here on the list. Anyone
dropping out, please tell us so we can give your room reservation to someone
else in the group. Those of you who didn't get a room at the Crews Inn,
where are you staying? I suggest we carry some of those PRS walkie-talkies
(the kind with the 14 channels and the 38 privacy codes) so we can
coordinate group activities like dinners, sightseeing flights, etc. That
might be especially helpful for those in our group who are lodging
elsewhere.
I made a few calls today and found one place that will not only reserve
rental bikes for us, they'll drop them at the airstrip for us and let us
leave them there when we depart Monday. The rental rate is $23 plus tax for
a three-day adult bike rental, ($39 for 3 days for a bicycle-for-two tandem
rental). They want a credit card prepayment, and will then give you the
combination to the lock, so you can ride away from the tie-down area in
style on Friday. For those who may not know, the island is small and
everything is within walking distance of a fit person if you've got all day,
but bikes are the way to go! The Crews Inn lodge-keeper has been generous
in the past with automobile pickups and occasional rides, but for the most
part we'll need our own transportation while there. Bring safety gear like
helmets, lights/cyalume sticks for night riding, and bug spray. I warned
you ;-) IMO, Backpacks are a must for getting gear and purchases to and
from the beaches and shops on a bike, but I htink they have handlebar
baskets, too. To reserve your two-wheeled transportation, call Beach
Outfitters at 252-928-6261. Might want to mention that you're with the
group of pilots staying at the Crews Inn Sept. 2-5. I did not ask about
their cancellation/refund policy, but keep that in mind if your plans are in
doubt. There are other places to rent bikes if these guys run short, but
the other places won't reserve them or deliver them.
This is going to be fun! Let's hear some ideas for things to do while we're
vegging for three nights on the Outer Banks. I'm bringing my laptop,
humidor, and some "spam can ham radio" stuff to amuse myself if y'all get
too boring. Folding beach chairs & umbrella. There might be room left for
my guitar if no one pays me enough to leave it at home.
Sound off! Roll call!
-Stormy
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| From: | Sargentclt(at)cs.com |
And where did you find these fastening marvels. I hope from the Aviation
section of Lowes?
Tad S.
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| From: | Larry Bowen <lcbowen(at)yahoo.com> |
The SS cap screws are from McMaster-Carr: http://mcmaster.com
The SS flush hex screws were from http://microfasteners.com
Five extra knots, guaranteed. :)
-LB
Sargentclt(at)cs.com wrote:
And where did you find these fastening marvels. I hope from the Aviation
section of Lowes?
Tad S.
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Stormy has reserved his bikes at the Ocracoke airstrip. Shake a leg, you guys.
You don't want to be walking into town dragging all your gear :-)
Their cancellation policy is "no problem" if you call by 5pm Thursday. They start
delivering them early Friday, and once delivered, there is some charge for
their trouble.
Craig, have you made up your mind yet?
-Stormy
into the teeth of the hurricane... !
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| From: | James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | EAA 242 Shin-dig .. This Saturday |
Don't know if I mentioned this but ....
SERV'ers, EAA Chapter 242 is having its grand "re-opening" of its Sport
Aviation Center ("The SAC") and celebration of its 40th Anniversary this
Saturday from about 11:00 AM until.
There will be BBQ and other good stuff available. Please feel free to drop
by. That is at KCUB.
We have been so busy trying to get everything sorted out in time that I
forgot to post this earlier.
James
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| From: | Craig <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 1 week to go! |
I am officially "out". When I cancelled the reservations at the Crews Inn, the
owner said that Dennis Millsap had called looking for a room earlier that day.
I presume he has take my old reservation.
Craig
Gonna be poundin' rivets
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
In case you missed it, there is another nice clip on the VAF site:
http://www.vansairforce.com/video/FormationFun_TheMovie.wmv
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| From: | Sargentclt(at)cs.com |
I guess you mean 5 extra knots per screw. I should need a parachute to slow
down.
Tad S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | My experience with SafeAir and Trio |
I want to give everyone an update on my experience with these two fine companies.
I purchased my installation kit and wiring harness for the Trio EZ-Pilot from
Tony at SafeAir1.com. He took great pains to make sure everything was in
my hands and right before he would even accept my money. An outside vendor makes
many components of the install kit for him, and there were in fact a few issues,
but all were settled with amazing speed and at no expenxse to me. Tony
seems very interested in getting feedback from the field on these products, and
making whatever refinements are necessary to assure a quality product. The
install kit worked well and was fully worth the $129 in time and labor saved,
considering I am a bit rusty in my construcyion skills and my scrap box is not
well-stocked with odds and ends and hardware. Ditto for the SteinAir wiring
harness, which I was going to fab myself, but Tony threw in at a considerable
discount to compensate for the snags we hit earlier
in the process. Mechanically, I can say there were no glitches with the installation
process. Allow yourself about 4 relaxed hours to do the wingtip servo
installation by yourself, plus or minus disorganization, interruptions, misplaced
tools, etc. :-)
For their part, Trio makes an outstanding product. I did have some issues at first
with servo oscillation on the ground and with an unexplained loss of settings
and later of GPS signal while test-flying, but Trio overnighted me a new
control head, thinking there might be a loose EPROM or something, and it's been
"digital perfection" ever since. I'm stlll learning all this little box is
capable of, as I am new to autopilots in general and also using a new and unfamiliar
GPS to guide it, but so far I am amazed at what it will do. "Coolest"
money I ever spent on the RV, and an investment I think will be well worth it
in safety and comfort when fooling with charts in the cockpit, flying formation
(kidding ;-) and cross-country, along with the emergency vertigo-proof escape
feature if I should foolishly blunder into IMC. I also plan an instrument rating
one day, and hope this box will make my RV into at least a marginally suitable
platform for single-pilot IFR. I have no hesi
tation about adding a Trio Altitude Hold by year's-end, when the budget allows.
This looks to be dependable avionics from another company dedicated to excellence
in customer care.
No pecuniary interest in either company; just a satisfied customer reporting from
the field. If I can install this stuff and get it running, you can, too.
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: My experience with SafeAir and Trio |
I would have to ditto Stormy's experience with Trio ... I have flown mine
now for about 1 1/2 years. Great AP for the money !!
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | My experience with SafeAir and Trio |
How does it behave in pitch during a 180` turn? Does it ask for some trim
up (assuming is has a trim indicator)? Or does it hold altitude through the
turn with no adjustments? My TruTrak insists on a good dose of trim up if
it's in a prolonged turn .....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of sportav8r(at)aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:50 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: My experience with SafeAir and Trio
>
>
> I want to give everyone an update on my experience with these
> two fine companies. I purchased my installation kit and
> wiring harness for the Trio EZ-Pilot from Tony at
> SafeAir1.com. He took great pains to make sure everything
> was in my hands and right before he would even accept my
> money. An outside vendor makes many components of the
> install kit for him, and there were in fact a few issues, but
> all were settled with amazing speed and at no expenxse to me.
> Tony seems very interested in getting feedback from the
> field on these products, and making whatever refinements are
> necessary to assure a quality product. The install kit
> worked well and was fully worth the $129 in time and labor
> saved, considering I am a bit rusty in my construcyion skills
> and my scrap box is not well-stocked with odds and ends and
> hardware. Ditto for the SteinAir wiring harness, which I was
> going to fab myself, but Tony threw in at a considerable
> discount to compensate for the snags we hit earlier in the
> process. Mechanically, I can say there were no glitches with
> the installation process. Allow yourself about 4 relaxed
> hours to do the wingtip servo installation by yourself, plus
> or minus disorganization, interruptions, misplaced tools, etc. :-)
>
> For their part, Trio makes an outstanding product. I did
> have some issues at first with servo oscillation on the
> ground and with an unexplained loss of settings and later of
> GPS signal while test-flying, but Trio overnighted me a new
> control head, thinking there might be a loose EPROM or
> something, and it's been "digital perfection" ever since.
> I'm stlll learning all this little box is capable of, as I am
> new to autopilots in general and also using a new and
> unfamiliar GPS to guide it, but so far I am amazed at what it
> will do. "Coolest" money I ever spent on the RV, and an
> investment I think will be well worth it in safety and
> comfort when fooling with charts in the cockpit, flying
> formation (kidding ;-) and cross-country, along with the
> emergency vertigo-proof escape feature if I should foolishly
> blunder into IMC. I also plan an instrument rating one day,
> and hope this box will make my RV into at least a marginally
> suitable platform for single-pilot IFR. I have no hesi
> tation about adding a Trio Altitude Hold by year's-end, when
> the budget allows. This looks to be dependable avionics from
> another company dedicated to excellence in customer care.
>
> No pecuniary interest in either company; just a satisfied
> customer reporting from the field. If I can install this
> stuff and get it running, you can, too.
>
> -Stormy
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: My experience with SafeAir and Trio |
At higher speeds, it's bank angle limiteds to about 15-20 degrees, so as not to
overwhelm the pitch authority of the altitude hold servo, but you're asking a
man who currently has just a one-axis A/P :-) Check back with me at the end
of the year and I can tell you. Right now, I supply the pitch inputs by hand
or by trim, and they're nothing extraordinary.
Looks like Katrina will be dissipated by our trip time. I feel sorry for those
who stayed behind in New Orleans and Biloxi.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Bowen <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: My experience with SafeAir and Trio
How does it behave in pitch during a 180` turn? Does it ask for some trim
up (assuming is has a trim indicator)? Or does it hold altitude through the
turn with no adjustments? My TruTrak insists on a good dose of trim up if
it's in a prolonged turn .....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of sportav8r(at)aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:50 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: My experience with SafeAir and Trio
>
>
> I want to give everyone an update on my experience with these
> two fine companies. I purchased my installation kit and
> wiring harness for the Trio EZ-Pilot from Tony at
> SafeAir1.com. He took great pains to make sure everything
> was in my hands and right before he would even accept my
> money. An outside vendor makes many components of the
> install kit for him, and there were in fact a few issues, but
> all were settled with amazing speed and at no expenxse to me.
> Tony seems very interested in getting feedback from the
> field on these products, and making whatever refinements are
> necessary to assure a quality product. The install kit
> worked well and was fully worth the $129 in time and labor
> saved, considering I am a bit rusty in my construcyion skills
> and my scrap box is not well-stocked with odds and ends and
> hardware. Ditto for the SteinAir wiring harness, which I was
> going to fab myself, but Tony threw in at a considerable
> discount to compensate for the snags we hit earlier in the
> process. Mechanically, I can say there were no glitches with
> the installation process. Allow yourself about 4 relaxed
> hours to do the wingtip servo installation by yourself, plus
> or minus disorganization, interruptions, misplaced tools, etc. :-)
>
> For their part, Trio makes an outstanding product. I did
> have some issues at first with servo oscillation on the
> ground and with an unexplained loss of settings and later of
> GPS signal while test-flying, but Trio overnighted me a new
> control head, thinking there might be a loose EPROM or
> something, and it's been "digital perfection" ever since.
> I'm stlll learning all this little box is capable of, as I am
> new to autopilots in general and also using a new and
> unfamiliar GPS to guide it, but so far I am amazed at what it
> will do. "Coolest" money I ever spent on the RV, and an
> investment I think will be well worth it in safety and
> comfort when fooling with charts in the cockpit, flying
> formation (kidding ;-) and cross-country, along with the
> emergency vertigo-proof escape feature if I should foolishly
> blunder into IMC. I also plan an instrument rating one day,
> and hope this box will make my RV into at least a marginally
> suitable platform for single-pilot IFR. I have no hesi
> tation about adding a Trio Altitude Hold by year's-end, when
> the budget allows. This looks to be dependable avionics from
> another company dedicated to excellence in customer care.
>
> No pecuniary interest in either company; just a satisfied
> customer reporting from the field. If I can install this
> stuff and get it running, you can, too.
>
> -Stormy
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: My experience with SafeAir and Trio |
In a message dated 8/28/2005 9:35:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Larry(at)bowenaero.com writes:
How does it behave in pitch during a 180` turn? Does it ask for some trim
up (assuming is has a trim indicator)? Or does it hold altitude through the
turn with no adjustments? My TruTrak insists on a good dose of trim up if
it's in a prolonged turn .....
-
Larry Bowen
I am using the TruTrak Alt Hold and yes it does require trim up ... I have
only tried the 180 a couple of times and each time it wanted to go "down" ...
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
09:43:27 AM
Len: When you say your TruTrak requires "a good dose of trim up if it's in
a prolonged turn", is that true with and without altitude hold engaged?
I'm trying to decide between the TruTrak and the Trio; both seem to be
excellent systems for about the same amount of money. Can anyone give me a
"real world" anaysis of the principle advantages of each over the other?
The Trio seems to have more features but the new TruTrak with the ADI/AP
Controller with pitch, roll, and heading display seems pretty hard to pass
up. What about the utility and convenience of altitude hold? A lot of
people seem to get along without it just fine, others seem to swear by
it----I'm inclined in favor of including it in my new bird, but $1,700 is a
lot for mere convenience, if that is all it adds.
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Trio Autopilot |
In a message dated 8/29/2005 9:45:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com writes:
Len: When you say your TruTrak requires "a good dose of trim up if it's in
a prolonged turn", is that true with and without altitude hold engaged?
I'm trying to decide between the TruTrak and the Trio; both seem to be
excellent systems for about the same amount of money. Can anyone give me a
"real world" anaysis of the principle advantages of each over the other?
The Trio seems to have more features but the new TruTrak with the ADI/AP
Controller with pitch, roll, and heading display seems pretty hard to pass
up. What about the utility and convenience of altitude hold? A lot of
people seem to get along without it just fine, others seem to swear by
it----I'm inclined in favor of including it in my new bird, but $1,700 is a
lot for mere convenience, if that is all it adds.
Lee...
The only time this has ever happened is the "emergency 180 turn" ... next
time I am up I will do a few more to see what happens ... not fair for me to be
too critical since I have only performed the maneuver a couple of times ...
will post my results.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Winston Salem Airshow |
If anyone is planning to come to the Winston Salem Airshow .... we could
have an informal gathering at my hanger ... nice view of the happenings ...
lounge chairs, frig packed full ... I am on the front row facing runway 4-22
...
Please respond if you are planning to attend the show and what day ...
Saturday or Sunday ... and we can make a decision ... don't want to be stuck out
there by myself !!!
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Winston Salem Airshow |
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Maybe. I might be busy with my annual, but I might need a break too.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Lenleg(at)aol.com said:
>
> If anyone is planning to come to the Winston Salem Airshow .... we could
> have an informal gathering at my hanger ... nice view of the happenings
> ...
> lounge chairs, frig packed full ... I am on the front row facing runway
> 4-22 ...
>
> Please respond if you are planning to attend the show and what day ...
> Saturday or Sunday ... and we can make a decision ... don't want to be
> stuck out
> there by myself !!!
>
> Len
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sargentclt(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: Winston Salem Airshow |
I'm in. I'll need a painting break
Tad S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Davenport" <ddavenport5(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Winston Salem Airshow |
Len, I'm planning on being there, most likely Saturday, depending on weather
of course.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Winston Salem Airshow
>
>
> Maybe. I might be busy with my annual, but I might need a break too.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> Lenleg(at)aol.com said:
>>
>> If anyone is planning to come to the Winston Salem Airshow .... we could
>> have an informal gathering at my hanger ... nice view of the happenings
>> ...
>> lounge chairs, frig packed full ... I am on the front row facing runway
>> 4-22 ...
>>
>> Please respond if you are planning to attend the show and what day ...
>> Saturday or Sunday ... and we can make a decision ... don't want to be
>> stuck out
>> there by myself !!!
>>
>> Len
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Winston Salem Airshow |
I think I would like to go. It is the weekend of the10th and 11th right?
Will there be a charge for attending if I fly in? Where will I park my RV-4?
Ron Awad
>From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Winston Salem Airshow
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:55:47 EDT
>
>
>If anyone is planning to come to the Winston Salem Airshow .... we could
>have an informal gathering at my hanger ... nice view of the happenings ...
>lounge chairs, frig packed full ... I am on the front row facing runway
>4-22 ...
>
>Please respond if you are planning to attend the show and what day ...
>Saturday or Sunday ... and we can make a decision ... don't want to be
>stuck out
>there by myself !!!
>
>Len
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
randyberry(at)sc.rr.com, Bill28104(at)yahoo.com, ebyars(at)carolina.rr.com,
KolbFirestar(at)cs.com, sessex(at)bellsouth.net, jtb1(at)prodigy.net,
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peelerpilot(at)prodigy.net, youcanfly(at)aol.com, montambo(at)hotmail.com,
markscogg(at)aol.com, N2311P(at)aol.com, bthigpen(at)carolina.rr.com
| Subject: | Upcoming fly ins |
Wondering if anyone knows when and where any of the fall fly-ins are to take
place....
I have info on September fly-ins...
the Winston Airshow on the 10th and 11th
Asheboro aerofest at Smith airpark on the 17th and 18th
Farmville N.C on the 24th and 25th
October fly-ins.....
Virginia State EAA fly-in at Dinwiddle the 1st and 2nd
Rotors Over Carolina in Aiken S.C. the 7th through 9th
Darlington S.C. State EAA fly-in the 8th and 9th
Bishopville S.C. fly-in 22nd and 23rd
Franklin N.C. Airshow/fly-in 22nd and 23rd
Camden S.C. airshow 29th and 30th
November fly-ins......
Licolnton N.C. on november the 5th.
So what else am I missing??? Where is the good smaller fly-ins? When is
Laneys fly-in, or Stateline Ultraports breakfast fly-in, or Trenton flyers
fall fly-in, anything going on near James Peelers place?
I don't have anything for the weekends of September 3rd and 4th, October
15th and 16th or all of November except for the lincolnton fly-in.
Gotta make plans now and REALLY hate hearing about some great fly-in I
missed out on cause I wasn't in the know.... Thanks in advance for any
replys.
Ron Awad
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Winston Salem Airshow |
In a message dated 8/29/2005 11:11:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sawad13(at)msn.com writes:
I think I would like to go. It is the weekend of the10th and 11th right?
Will there be a charge for attending if I fly in? Where will I park my RV-4?
Ron:
You can use airshow parking or ask for parking down on the lower ramp if you
prefer to park away from the people. SERV has been offered free entrance
and meals if you put the plane on static display.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Trio Autopilot |
Lee, it will depend on how much hands-off convenience you are after. If you can
tolerate the long and poorly-damped pitch phugoids of an RV in even mildly disturbed
air, the alt hold will not give you much return for the dollar. I think,
however, that if you want "help" flying single pilot IFR, or want to be able
to study a chart or scan the ground for a waypoint without worry of busting
an assigned altitude, the alt hold will be your friend. These responsive airplanes
are not good at maintaining heading or altitude without constant small
inputs from the pilot, be that pilot you or "George."
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Trio Autopilot
In a message dated 8/29/2005 9:45:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com writes:
Len: When you say your TruTrak requires "a good dose of trim up if it's in
a prolonged turn", is that true with and without altitude hold engaged?
I'm trying to decide between the TruTrak and the Trio; both seem to be
excellent systems for about the same amount of money. Can anyone give me a
"real world" anaysis of the principle advantages of each over the other?
The Trio seems to have more features but the new TruTrak with the ADI/AP
Controller with pitch, roll, and heading display seems pretty hard to pass
up. What about the utility and convenience of altitude hold? A lot of
people seem to get along without it just fine, others seem to swear by
it----I'm inclined in favor of including it in my new bird, but $1,700 is a
lot for mere convenience, if that is all it adds.
Lee...
The only time this has ever happened is the "emergency 180 turn" ... next
time I am up I will do a few more to see what happens ... not fair for me to be
too critical since I have only performed the maneuver a couple of times ...
will post my results.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Winston Salem Airshow |
Len,
I was hoping to show up on Saturday.
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
snakedoctorrv6(at)aol.com, JBENDEL(at)sc.rr.com, randyberry(at)sc.rr.com,
Bill28104(at)yahoo.com, ebyars(at)carolina.rr.com, KolbFirestar(at)cs.com,
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markscogg(at)aol.com, N2311P(at)aol.com, bthigpen(at)carolina.rr.com
| Subject: | Upcoming fly ins |
Correction, I also found info on a few S.C. BClub meetings, Boshears Skyfest
October 15th and 16th, And James Peelers Veterans Day fly-in on November
12th and 13th.
Isn't there also a fly-in at Long Island Airpark near Lake Norman N.C.?
Anymore RV get togethers at Stantons BBQ?.... Sunday Burgers at Anson County
airport is getting to hoohumm here lately...... What else am I missing?
Ron Awad
>From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>Reply-To: PRA_Chapter_13(at)yahoogroups.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com, snakedoctorrv6(at)aol.com,
>JBENDEL(at)SC.RR.COM, randyberry(at)sc.rr.com, Bill28104(at)yahoo.com,
>ebyars(at)carolina.rr.com, KolbFirestar(at)cs.com, sessex(at)bellsouth.net,
>jtb1(at)prodigy.net, jcm2(at)earthlink.net, PRA_Chapter_13(at)yahoogroups.com,
>peelerpilot(at)prodigy.net, youcanfly(at)aol.com, montambo(at)hotmail.com,
>markscogg(at)aol.com, N2311P(at)aol.com, bthigpen(at)carolina.rr.com
>Subject: [PRA_Chapter_13] Upcoming fly ins
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:22:32 -0400
>
>
>Wondering if anyone knows when and where any of the fall fly-ins are to
>take
>place....
>
>I have info on September fly-ins...
>
>the Winston Airshow on the 10th and 11th
>
>Asheboro aerofest at Smith airpark on the 17th and 18th
>
>Farmville N.C on the 24th and 25th
>
>October fly-ins.....
>
>Virginia State EAA fly-in at Dinwiddle the 1st and 2nd
>
>Rotors Over Carolina in Aiken S.C. the 7th through 9th
>
>Darlington S.C. State EAA fly-in the 8th and 9th
>
>Bishopville S.C. fly-in 22nd and 23rd
>
>Franklin N.C. Airshow/fly-in 22nd and 23rd
>
>Camden S.C. airshow 29th and 30th
>
>November fly-ins......
>
>Licolnton N.C. on november the 5th.
>
>
>So what else am I missing??? Where is the good smaller fly-ins? When is
>Laneys fly-in, or Stateline Ultraports breakfast fly-in, or Trenton flyers
>fall fly-in, anything going on near James Peelers place?
>
>I don't have anything for the weekends of September 3rd and 4th, October
>15th and 16th or all of November except for the lincolnton fly-in.
>
>Gotta make plans now and REALLY hate hearing about some great fly-in I
>missed out on cause I wasn't in the know.... Thanks in advance for any
>replys.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Winston Salem Airshow |
Okay, I love FREE!!! Where would we be displaying our planes for this offer?
where your hangar is or out on the ramp with all the " gotta touch, and
climb all over these shiney airplanes " kids?
Ron Awad
>From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Winston Salem Airshow
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:31:01 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 8/29/2005 11:11:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>sawad13(at)msn.com writes:
>
>I think I would like to go. It is the weekend of the10th and 11th right?
>Will there be a charge for attending if I fly in? Where will I park my
>RV-4?
>
>
>Ron:
>
>You can use airshow parking or ask for parking down on the lower ramp if
>you
>prefer to park away from the people. SERV has been offered free entrance
>and meals if you put the plane on static display.
>
>Len
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Winston Salem Airshow |
My dad (cobuilder) and I plan to attend on Saturday,
for most of the day.
Bart
RV-8
Empennage, just started
--- Lenleg(at)aol.com wrote:
> Lenleg(at)aol.com
>
> If anyone is planning to come to the Winston Salem
> Airshow .... we could
> have an informal gathering at my hanger ... nice
> view of the happenings ...
> lounge chairs, frig packed full ... I am on the
> front row facing runway 4-22 ...
>
> Please respond if you are planning to attend the
> show and what day ...
> Saturday or Sunday ... and we can make a decision
> ... don't want to be stuck out
> there by myself !!!
>
> Len
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
12:07:07 PM
Len: I'm not familiar enough with either of these A/P's to know: Is the
180 degree turn feature enabled for those autopilots which have wing
levelors only or do you have to have altitude hold also??
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| Subject: | RV-8 for sale in North Carolina |
SERVers,
My RV-8 is for sale on Trade-A-Plane if you know anyone
interested. Price is $108,000 OBO. For details email me or
look on Trade-A-Plane. I think I'm going to build an RV-8...
Scott Keadle
RV-8 N844RF
14A Lake Norman Airpark, NC
704-650-0249
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 for sale in North Carolina |
In a message dated 8/29/2005 12:19:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
scott(at)keadle.com writes:
SERVers,
My RV-8 is for sale on Trade-A-Plane if you know anyone
interested. Price is $108,000 OBO. For details email me or
look on Trade-A-Plane. I think I'm going to build an RV-8...
Scott Keadle
RV-8 N844RF
14A Lake Norman Airpark, NC
704-650-0249
What about your other plane ?????
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Trio Autopilot |
In a message dated 8/29/2005 11:33:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sportav8r(at)aol.com writes:
Lee, it will depend on how much hands-off convenience you are after. If you
can tolerate the long and poorly-damped pitch phugoids of an RV in even
mildly disturbed air, the alt hold will not give you much return for the dollar.
I think, however, that if you want "help" flying single pilot IFR, or want
to be able to study a chart or scan the ground for a waypoint without worry
of busting an assigned altitude, the alt hold will be your friend. These
responsive airplanes are not good at maintaining heading or altitude without
constant small inputs from the pilot, be that pilot you or "George."
I will be honest with you guys .... if there is one instrument in my plane
that you cannot take back ... it is ALT HOLD ... it is the most valuable part
of my auto pilot system. Many times I just use it and hand fly the direction
.... ALT HOLD in the RV is fabulous !!!
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Upcoming fly ins |
In a message dated 8/29/2005 11:42:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sawad13(at)msn.com writes:
Isn't there also a fly-in at Long Island Airpark near Lake Norman N.C.?
Anymore RV get togethers at Stantons BBQ?.... Sunday Burgers at Anson County
airport is getting to hoohumm here lately...... What else am I missing?
Ron Awad
Hope to get the Stantons going again in cooler weather !!!
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Winston Salem Airshow |
In a message dated 8/29/2005 11:44:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sawad13(at)msn.com writes:
Okay, I love FREE!!! Where would we be displaying our planes for this offer?
where your hangar is or out on the ramp with all the " gotta touch, and
climb all over these shiney airplanes " kids?
Ron Awad
Unfortunately .... out with the kids ... that is why I am not displaying
mine !!
Len
You can contact Steve Flippin for more info ... 336-727-8181 Work
336-423-9845 Cell
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 8/29/2005 12:07:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com writes:
Len: I'm not familiar enough with either of these A/P's to know: Is the
180 degree turn feature enabled for those autopilots which have wing
levelors only or do you have to have altitude hold also??
Lee...
It is a feature of the autopilot whether you have alt hold or not.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 for sale in North Carolina |
Will keep the Extra for now. Haven't been flying very much
lately because of the heat. Don't they make these things
with air conditioners???? ;)
What about your other plane ?????
Len
SERVers,
My RV-8 is for sale on Trade-A-Plane if you know anyone
interested. Price is $108,000 OBO. For details email me or
look on Trade-A-Plane. I think I'm going to build an RV-8...
Scott Keadle
RV-8 N844RF
14A Lake Norman Airpark, NC
704-650-0249
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "oliver h washburn" <ollie6a(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Upcoming fly ins |
We are planning on our third RV fly-in of the year(first two were rained
out) at Love's Landing, Fl (97FL, check AirNav . com).on Nov. 5th. We are
hoping for lots of RV's but all are welcome.This is a lunch fly-in
featuring Ollie's Famous Bar-B Que with coffee and donuts for the early
birds. Will have flyer later.
Ya'll come,
Ollie
> [Original Message]
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
> To: ; ;
; ; ;
; ; ;
; ; ;
; ; ;
; ;
> Date: 8/29/2005 11:22:37 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>
>
>
> Wondering if anyone knows when and where any of the fall fly-ins are to
take
> place....
>
> I have info on September fly-ins...
>
> the Winston Airshow on the 10th and 11th
>
> Asheboro aerofest at Smith airpark on the 17th and 18th
>
> Farmville N.C on the 24th and 25th
>
> October fly-ins.....
>
> Virginia State EAA fly-in at Dinwiddle the 1st and 2nd
>
> Rotors Over Carolina in Aiken S.C. the 7th through 9th
>
> Darlington S.C. State EAA fly-in the 8th and 9th
>
> Bishopville S.C. fly-in 22nd and 23rd
>
> Franklin N.C. Airshow/fly-in 22nd and 23rd
>
> Camden S.C. airshow 29th and 30th
>
> November fly-ins......
>
> Licolnton N.C. on november the 5th.
>
>
> So what else am I missing??? Where is the good smaller fly-ins? When is
> Laneys fly-in, or Stateline Ultraports breakfast fly-in, or Trenton
flyers
> fall fly-in, anything going on near James Peelers place?
>
> I don't have anything for the weekends of September 3rd and 4th, October
> 15th and 16th or all of November except for the lincolnton fly-in.
>
> Gotta make plans now and REALLY hate hearing about some great fly-in I
> missed out on cause I wasn't in the know.... Thanks in advance for any
> replys.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BOB martin" <libertyva(at)msn.com> |
gregleffler(at)usa.net, tomsilber(at)starpower.net, ki5ep(at)aol.com,
tatflys(at)aol.com
| Subject: | Fly-in this Saturday in Virginia |
Hry Guys,
If you are looking for a place to fly this holiday weekend, Come on over and
See us at LKU.
Louisa Airport is having a "Louisa county Air Fair" September 3rd.
11 am to 4 pm...
Air show from 2-4pm
There will be a YAK 55 performance
Pitts performance
the Flying Farmer...I understand this is his last year...retiring!
Skydivers too..
Exhibits:
Lockeed Loadstar
For the Kids....face Painting, free Ballons, airplane rides(fee) and a
Flight Simulator(fee)
Science Museum of Virginia space Traveler.
Our hanger is on the West end of the row of hangers and we will be having
some food and drinks for all our flying friends to come and visit. So come
on over if you would like to join in the fun.
Bob Martin
Larry Burruss
Tripp Jones
Bill Hinckley
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Winston Salem Airshow |
How's it going Bart? Scott
My dad (cobuilder) and I plan to attend on Saturday,
for most of the day.
Bart
RV-8
Empennage, just started
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com> |
Scott,
Good to see your name again! This will be my last
weekend of driving to Duke for school. after that,
it's full-time RV-8 building. I'm extremely excited
about it too! The original plan was to hold off until
school was actually finished, but I'm probably about
half way finished with the horizontal stabilizer
already. It's hard to have $3k in tools and $2k in
aircraft aluminum sitting in the garage and NOT touch
it.
As for actually flying, I haven't been since you
graciously hosted me in your RV-8. My BFR is overdue,
but finishing school has been my priority. Once
that's over, I'll have more time for flying, and
building.
Looks like you may be building one yourself soon eh?
--- scott(at)keadle.com,
UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR. wrote:
> <scott@keadle.com> with HTTP/1.1;
>
> How's it going Bart? Scott
>
>
> Filipiak
>
>
> My dad (cobuilder) and I plan to attend on Saturday,
> for most of the day.
>
>
> Bart
> RV-8
> Empennage, just started
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "ben burril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Upcoming fly ins |
What else are you missing Ron?? Thats one guestion that I don,t think you
would won,t to be answered.Matter of fact i,am sure you wouldn,t.Ben
Bored people are usually are boring people!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lenleg(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>
>
> In a message dated 8/29/2005 11:42:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> sawad13(at)msn.com writes:
>
> Isn't there also a fly-in at Long Island Airpark near Lake Norman N.C.?
> Anymore RV get togethers at Stantons BBQ?.... Sunday Burgers at Anson
County
>
> airport is getting to hoohumm here lately...... What else am I missing?
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
> Hope to get the Stantons going again in cooler weather !!!
>
> Len
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Upcoming fly ins |
Ben? Are you saying you are bored?
Ron Awad
>From: "ben burril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:15:29 -0400
>
>
>
>What else are you missing Ron?? Thats one guestion that I don,t think you
>would won,t to be answered.Matter of fact i,am sure you wouldn,t.Ben
>Bored people are usually are boring people!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Lenleg(at)aol.com>
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>
>
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/29/2005 11:42:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > sawad13(at)msn.com writes:
> >
> > Isn't there also a fly-in at Long Island Airpark near Lake Norman N.C.?
> > Anymore RV get togethers at Stantons BBQ?.... Sunday Burgers at Anson
>County
> >
> > airport is getting to hoohumm here lately...... What else am I
>missing?
> >
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
> > Hope to get the Stantons going again in cooler weather !!!
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
>
>
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
Who is good to go to, to get a fixed pitch metal prop balanced? My RV has
had a vibration since I got it earlier this year, and apparently it was
there from the 1st flight in the plane since there is mention of it in the
logbooks. It is a older engine, but was a new prop.....
I want to try to get it smoother, and someone suggested prop balancing. I
was refered to Wendel at Cheraw, but haven't been able to get ahold of him.
Any other local options?
thanks
Ron Awad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ben burril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Upcoming fly ins |
I,am far from bored but it sounds like you might be.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>
> Ben? Are you saying you are bored?
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
> >From: "ben burril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
> >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:15:29 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> >What else are you missing Ron?? Thats one guestion that I don,t think you
> >would won,t to be answered.Matter of fact i,am sure you wouldn,t.Ben
> >Bored people are usually are boring people!
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <Lenleg(at)aol.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/29/2005 11:42:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > sawad13(at)msn.com writes:
> > >
> > > Isn't there also a fly-in at Long Island Airpark near Lake Norman
N.C.?
> > > Anymore RV get togethers at Stantons BBQ?.... Sunday Burgers at Anson
> >County
> > >
> > > airport is getting to hoohumm here lately...... What else am I
> >missing?
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron Awad
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope to get the Stantons going again in cooler weather !!!
> > >
> > > Len
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Upcoming fly ins |
Well to a degree... Goose Creek has had less and less activity lately along
with Anson County on Sundays. I got a airplane for going places now and want
to spice things up a bit and go places this fall. Still looking forwards to
flying your hangglider off the water when you are ready to invite me out,
your good friend,
Ron Awad :)
>From: "ben burril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:32:07 -0400
>
>
>
>I,am far from bored but it sounds like you might be.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>
>
>
> >
> > Ben? Are you saying you are bored?
> >
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
> > >From: "ben burril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
> > >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:15:29 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >What else are you missing Ron?? Thats one guestion that I don,t think
>you
> > >would won,t to be answered.Matter of fact i,am sure you wouldn,t.Ben
> > >Bored people are usually are boring people!
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <Lenleg(at)aol.com>
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 8/29/2005 11:42:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > sawad13(at)msn.com writes:
> > > >
> > > > Isn't there also a fly-in at Long Island Airpark near Lake Norman
>N.C.?
> > > > Anymore RV get togethers at Stantons BBQ?.... Sunday Burgers at
>Anson
> > >County
> > > >
> > > > airport is getting to hoohumm here lately...... What else am I
> > >missing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ron Awad
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope to get the Stantons going again in cooler weather !!!
> > > >
> > > > Len
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Bart,
Yep, I'm seriously looking into building an RV-8. Going to
get inverted systems, a little more hp, and different panel
this time, but love the RV8 in general. Good to see you
getting started, maybe will catch up @ Winston airshow...
Scott
As for actually flying, I haven't been since you
graciously hosted me in your RV-8. My BFR is overdue,
but finishing school has been my priority. Once
that's over, I'll have more time for flying, and
building.
Looks like you may be building one yourself soon eh?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Hi Stormy,
What is the number of the bike shop? What time are you planning on
arriving?
Weather for the weekend looks great!
Steve Glasgow
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Balancing |
I flew mine to Sensenich Propeller in Lancaster, PA and had it done (along with
a repitch) That's a long haul for you, and the $250 price can probably be beat.
They did an excellent job, though. Made a new animal out of my RV :-)
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Prop Balancing
Who is good to go to, to get a fixed pitch metal prop balanced? My RV has
had a vibration since I got it earlier this year, and apparently it was
there from the 1st flight in the plane since there is mention of it in the
logbooks. It is a older engine, but was a new prop.....
I want to try to get it smoother, and someone suggested prop balancing. I
was refered to Wendel at Cheraw, but haven't been able to get ahold of him.
Any other local options?
thanks
Ron Awad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
I don't have that # handy, Steve. Check the archives??
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
Hi Stormy,
What is the number of the bike shop? What time are you planning on
arriving?
Weather for the weekend looks great!
Steve Glasgow
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fly-in this Saturday in Virginia |
Have fun, Bob. I hope I'll be in Ocracoke, on "island time" for the weekend.
Best,
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: BOB martin <libertyva(at)msn.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fly-in this Saturday in Virginia
Hry Guys,
If you are looking for a place to fly this holiday weekend, Come on over and
See us at LKU.
Louisa Airport is having a "Louisa county Air Fair" September 3rd.
11 am to 4 pm...
Air show from 2-4pm
There will be a YAK 55 performance
Pitts performance
the Flying Farmer...I understand this is his last year...retiring!
Skydivers too..
Exhibits:
Lockeed Loadstar
For the Kids....face Painting, free Ballons, airplane rides(fee) and a
Flight Simulator(fee)
Science Museum of Virginia space Traveler.
Our hanger is on the West end of the row of hangers and we will be having
some food and drinks for all our flying friends to come and visit. So come
on over if you would like to join in the fun.
Bob Martin
Larry Burruss
Tripp Jones
Bill Hinckley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Thanks Stormy. I didn't even know we had archives. The number is
252-926-6261 if anyone else wants to know.
What time are you planning on arriving?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
> Hi Stormy,
>
> What is the number of the bike shop? What time are you planning on
> arriving?
>
> Weather for the weekend looks great!
>
> Steve Glasgow
> N123SG RV-8
> Cappy's Toy
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Balancing |
Where are you located?
It can be done at KCAE (Eagle Aviation) in Columbia, SC as well.
James
On 8/29/05, Ron and Shannon AWAD wrote:
>
> sawad13(at)msn.com>
>
> Who is good to go to, to get a fixed pitch metal prop balanced? My RV has
> had a vibration since I got it earlier this year, and apparently it was
> there from the 1st flight in the plane since there is mention of it in the
> logbooks. It is a older engine, but was a new prop.....
>
> I want to try to get it smoother, and someone suggested prop balancing. I
> was refered to Wendel at Cheraw, but haven't been able to get ahold of
> him.
> Any other local options?
>
> thanks
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sargentclt(at)cs.com |
Len I'll be driving. Where could I park to get To the hanger, On foot or
auto.
Still walking :-(
Tad S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Balancing |
Thanks for the reply. Yeah that is a bit of a long haul and I wouldn't want
to try to do it till we get rid of the haze and all the thunderstorms. Would
like to get it done closer to home and asap.
Ron Awad
>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Prop Balancing
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:54:02 -0400
>
>
>I flew mine to Sensenich Propeller in Lancaster, PA and had it done (along
>with a repitch) That's a long haul for you, and the $250 price can
>probably be beat. They did an excellent job, though. Made a new animal
>out of my RV :-)
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Prop Balancing
>
>
>
>
>Who is good to go to, to get a fixed pitch metal prop balanced? My RV has
>had a vibration since I got it earlier this year, and apparently it was
>there from the 1st flight in the plane since there is mention of it in the
>logbooks. It is a older engine, but was a new prop.....
>
>I want to try to get it smoother, and someone suggested prop balancing. I
>was refered to Wendel at Cheraw, but haven't been able to get ahold of him.
>Any other local options?
>
>thanks
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Balancing |
0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419)
I fly out of Goose Creek airport near Charlotte N.C.
Columbia is a short flight and could do that easily! Tell me more!!!
Ron Awad
>From: James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Prop Balancing
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:11:59 -0400
>
>
>Where are you located?
> It can be done at KCAE (Eagle Aviation) in Columbia, SC as well.
> James
>
>
> On 8/29/05, Ron and Shannon AWAD wrote:
> >
> > sawad13(at)msn.com>
> >
> > Who is good to go to, to get a fixed pitch metal prop balanced? My RV
>has
> > had a vibration since I got it earlier this year, and apparently it was
> > there from the 1st flight in the plane since there is mention of it in
>the
> > logbooks. It is a older engine, but was a new prop.....
> >
> > I want to try to get it smoother, and someone suggested prop balancing.
>I
> > was refered to Wendel at Cheraw, but haven't been able to get ahold of
> > him.
> > Any other local options?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
>james(at)nextupventures.com .
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
I may be able to come up as well... need a break from the break ;)
Radomir
-7A Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Sargentclt(at)cs.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
Len I'll be driving. Where could I park to get To the hanger, On foot or
auto.
Still walking :-(
Tad S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Undecided at this point... I suppose there is a check-in time before which we are
not expected at the Inn, maybe 4 o'clock? It may depend on what I can find
to do on the way down, like finding cheap avgas somewhere (no fuel on Ocracoke)
and perhaps visiting a friend or a museum or some such. And of course the
weather!
I'm free all day Friday and we could leave in the morning, but I'm guessing there
will be domestic reasons for leaving later in the day (read: chores).
Best guess is: arriving in time to check in before dinner at Howard's, but if there's
little possibility of TSTMs to avoid, maybe dinner first? I don't know
any closer than that. Between 4 and 6.
-Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
Thanks Stormy. I didn't even know we had archives. The number is
252-926-6261 if anyone else wants to know.
What time are you planning on arriving?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
> Hi Stormy,
>
> What is the number of the bike shop? What time are you planning on
> arriving?
>
> Weather for the weekend looks great!
>
> Steve Glasgow
> N123SG RV-8
> Cappy's Toy
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BOB MARTIN" <libertyva(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Fly-in this Saturday in Virginia-Stormy |
Stormy,
I hope you all have a great time on the beach.
Maybe one time we will join you, but not this time.
Thanks for the autopilot update, it makes we want to place my order for the TruTrak
ADI unit!
I just replaced our standard battery with a newer Odyssey battery and saved 10
lbs...wow
Getting ready to install a engine power monitor I got used and updated, it is supposed
to give me constant %of power. I'm looking forward to using it.
Hoping "island time" is good to you all.
Bob Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: sportav8r(at)aol.com<mailto:sportav8r(at)aol.com>
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fly-in this Saturday in Virginia
Have fun, Bob. I hope I'll be in Ocracoke, on "island time" for the weekend.
Best,
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: BOB martin <libertyva(at)msn.com<mailto:libertyva(at)msn.com>>
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com.bill01@ntelos.net; iljones(at)mac.com; gregleffler(at)usa.net; tomsilber(at)starpower.net; ki5ep(at)aol.com; tatflys(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fly-in this Saturday in Virginia
Hry Guys,
If you are looking for a place to fly this holiday weekend, Come on over and
See us at LKU.
Louisa Airport is having a "Louisa county Air Fair" September 3rd.
11 am to 4 pm...
Air show from 2-4pm
There will be a YAK 55 performance
Pitts performance
the Flying Farmer...I understand this is his last year...retiring!
Skydivers too..
Exhibits:
Lockeed Loadstar
For the Kids....face Painting, free Ballons, airplane rides(fee) and a
Flight Simulator(fee)
Science Museum of Virginia space Traveler.
Our hanger is on the West end of the row of hangers and we will be having
some food and drinks for all our flying friends to come and visit. So come
on over if you would like to join in the fun.
Bob Martin
Larry Burruss
Tripp Jones
Bill Hinckley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
The best price at a good location close to W95 is Warren Field (OCW).
Just called 3.66 + tax. Wow!
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Balancing |
0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419)
My Piper is based at KCAE (Eagle) and has been maintained there for 12+
years. They recently bought new prop balancing equipment and I had
"PapaJuliette" done there.
They have hired a guy who knows RVs as well.
Give them a call at 803-822-5564. Ask for Urban and tell him I suggested you
call about getting a prop balance.
They might be busy but if they give ou a date and you fly in they will make
SURE and get you done when they say they will.
James
On 8/29/05, Ron and Shannon AWAD wrote:
>
> sawad13(at)msn.com>
>
> I fly out of Goose Creek airport near Charlotte N.C.
>
> Columbia is a short flight and could do that easily! Tell me more!!!
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
> >From: James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Prop Balancing
> >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:11:59 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> >Where are you located?
> > It can be done at KCAE (Eagle Aviation) in Columbia, SC as well.
> > James
> >
> >
> > On 8/29/05, Ron and Shannon AWAD wrote:
> > >
> > > sawad13(at)msn.com>
> > >
> > > Who is good to go to, to get a fixed pitch metal prop balanced? My RV
> >has
> > > had a vibration since I got it earlier this year, and apparently it
> was
> > > there from the 1st flight in the plane since there is mention of it in
> >the
> > > logbooks. It is a older engine, but was a new prop.....
> > >
> > > I want to try to get it smoother, and someone suggested prop
> balancing.
> >I
> > > was refered to Wendel at Cheraw, but haven't been able to get ahold of
> > > him.
> > > Any other local options?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron Awad
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >--
> >This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> >james(at)nextupventures.com .
> >
> >
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Balancing 0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be |
advance
fee fraud (Nigerian 419)
0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419)
thanks, will call them right now.
Ron Awad
>From: James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Prop Balancing 0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1
> Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419)
>Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:02:10 -0400
>
>
>My Piper is based at KCAE (Eagle) and has been maintained there for 12+
>years. They recently bought new prop balancing equipment and I had
>"PapaJuliette" done there.
>
>They have hired a guy who knows RVs as well.
>
>Give them a call at 803-822-5564. Ask for Urban and tell him I suggested
>you
>call about getting a prop balance.
>
>They might be busy but if they give ou a date and you fly in they will make
>SURE and get you done when they say they will.
>
>James
>
>
>On 8/29/05, Ron and Shannon AWAD wrote:
> >
> > sawad13(at)msn.com>
> >
> > I fly out of Goose Creek airport near Charlotte N.C.
> >
> > Columbia is a short flight and could do that easily! Tell me more!!!
> >
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
> > >From: James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > >To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Prop Balancing
> > >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:11:59 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Where are you located?
> > > It can be done at KCAE (Eagle Aviation) in Columbia, SC as well.
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/29/05, Ron and Shannon AWAD wrote:
> > > >
> > > > sawad13(at)msn.com>
> > > >
> > > > Who is good to go to, to get a fixed pitch metal prop balanced? My
>RV
> > >has
> > > > had a vibration since I got it earlier this year, and apparently it
> > was
> > > > there from the 1st flight in the plane since there is mention of it
>in
> > >the
> > > > logbooks. It is a older engine, but was a new prop.....
> > > >
> > > > I want to try to get it smoother, and someone suggested prop
> > balancing.
> > >I
> > > > was refered to Wendel at Cheraw, but haven't been able to get ahold
>of
> > > > him.
> > > > Any other local options?
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ron Awad
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> > >james(at)nextupventures.com .
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
>james(at)nextupventures.com .
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I'll probably leave 8A7 late morning or whenever weather allows.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>
> Undecided at this point... I suppose there is a check-in time before which
> we are not expected at the Inn, maybe 4 o'clock? It may depend on what I
> can find to do on the way down, like finding cheap avgas somewhere (no
> fuel on Ocracoke) and perhaps visiting a friend or a museum or some such.
> And of course the weather!
>
> I'm free all day Friday and we could leave in the morning, but I'm
> guessing there will be domestic reasons for leaving later in the day
> (read: chores).
>
> Best guess is: arriving in time to check in before dinner at Howard's, but
> if there's little possibility of TSTMs to avoid, maybe dinner first? I
> don't know any closer than that. Between 4 and 6.
>
> -Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Stormy. I didn't even know we had archives. The number is
> 252-926-6261 if anyone else wants to know.
>
> What time are you planning on arriving?
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
> To: "SERV"
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Stormy,
>>
>> What is the number of the bike shop? What time are you planning on
>> arriving?
>>
>> Weather for the weekend looks great!
>>
>> Steve Glasgow
>> N123SG RV-8
>> Cappy's Toy
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
I'm thinking the same thing.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
> I'll probably leave 8A7 late morning or whenever weather allows.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>
>> Undecided at this point... I suppose there is a check-in time before
>> which
>> we are not expected at the Inn, maybe 4 o'clock? It may depend on what I
>> can find to do on the way down, like finding cheap avgas somewhere (no
>> fuel on Ocracoke) and perhaps visiting a friend or a museum or some such.
>> And of course the weather!
>>
>> I'm free all day Friday and we could leave in the morning, but I'm
>> guessing there will be domestic reasons for leaving later in the day
>> (read: chores).
>>
>> Best guess is: arriving in time to check in before dinner at Howard's,
>> but
>> if there's little possibility of TSTMs to avoid, maybe dinner first? I
>> don't know any closer than that. Between 4 and 6.
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Stormy. I didn't even know we had archives. The number is
>> 252-926-6261 if anyone else wants to know.
>>
>> What time are you planning on arriving?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>> To: "SERV"
>> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Stormy,
>>>
>>> What is the number of the bike shop? What time are you planning on
>>> arriving?
>>>
>>> Weather for the weekend looks great!
>>>
>>> Steve Glasgow
>>> N123SG RV-8
>>> Cappy's Toy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 8/29/2005 9:14:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Sargentclt(at)cs.com writes:
Len I'll be driving. Where could I park to get To the hanger, On foot or
auto.
Still walking :-(
Tad S.
I think they make you follow the airshow parking ... won't even let us with
hangers park near them ... but the 4-22 runway is closed for the entire
weekend ... just walk across to #23 of the South Tees.
Len
I will have my cell on ... 336-210-4308
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 8/29/2005 10:36:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sportav8r(at)aol.com writes:
Between 4 and 6.
I plan to arrive about the same time Stormy !!
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fly-in this Saturday in Virginia-Stormy |
10-4 on the weight savings with the Odyssey! I installed mine and promptly gained
10 lbs myself, nullifying all savings. Now i'm trying to get back down to
reasonable levels
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: BOB MARTIN <libertyva(at)msn.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fly-in this Saturday in Virginia-Stormy
Stormy,
I hope you all have a great time on the beach.
Maybe one time we will join you, but not this time.
Thanks for the autopilot update, it makes we want to place my order for the
TruTrak ADI unit!
I just replaced our standard battery with a newer Odyssey battery and saved 10
lbs...wow
Getting ready to install a engine power monitor I got used and updated, it is
supposed to give me constant %of power. I'm looking forward to using it.
Hoping "island time" is good to you all.
Bob Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: sportav8r(at)aol.com<mailto:sportav8r(at)aol.com>
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fly-in this Saturday in Virginia
Have fun, Bob. I hope I'll be in Ocracoke, on "island time" for the weekend.
Best,
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: BOB martin <libertyva(at)msn.com<mailto:libertyva(at)msn.com>>
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com.bill01@ntelos.net;
iljones(at)mac.com; gregleffler(at)usa.net;
tomsilber(at)starpower.net; ki5ep(at)aol.com;
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Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fly-in this Saturday in Virginia
Hry Guys,
If you are looking for a place to fly this holiday weekend, Come on over and
See us at LKU.
Louisa Airport is having a "Louisa county Air Fair" September 3rd.
11 am to 4 pm...
Air show from 2-4pm
There will be a YAK 55 performance
Pitts performance
the Flying Farmer...I understand this is his last year...retiring!
Skydivers too..
Exhibits:
Lockeed Loadstar
For the Kids....face Painting, free Ballons, airplane rides(fee) and a
Flight Simulator(fee)
Science Museum of Virginia space Traveler.
Our hanger is on the West end of the row of hangers and we will be having
some food and drinks for all our flying friends to come and visit. So come
on over if you would like to join in the fun.
Bob Martin
Larry Burruss
Tripp Jones
Bill Hinckley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sargentclt(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: thEast-List: |
Hey why don't you, me and Repucci et al. ride together.
Tad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
That sounds good.. let's work out the details sometime next week.
Radomir
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Sargentclt(at)cs.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
Hey why don't you, me and Repucci et al. ride together.
Tad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Upcoming fly ins |
What is your source for all these?
I try to put this on the SERV calendar as I hear about them, but I'm always
the last to know. What do y'all think about everyone being able to edit
the calendar? Instead of little ol' me trying to keep up with it by
myself.....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com/serv
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Ron and Shannon AWAD
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:23 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com; snakedoctorrv6(at)aol.com;
> JBENDEL(at)sc.rr.com; randyberry(at)sc.rr.com; Bill28104(at)yahoo.com;
> ebyars(at)carolina.rr.com; KolbFirestar(at)cs.com;
> sessex(at)bellsouth.net; jtb1(at)prodigy.net; jcm2(at)earthlink.net;
> PRA_Chapter_13(at)yahoogroups.com; peelerpilot(at)prodigy.net;
> youcanfly(at)aol.com; montambo(at)hotmail.com; markscogg(at)aol.com;
> N2311P(at)aol.com; bthigpen(at)carolina.rr.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>
> -->
>
>
> Wondering if anyone knows when and where any of the fall
> fly-ins are to take place....
>
> I have info on September fly-ins...
>
> the Winston Airshow on the 10th and 11th
>
> Asheboro aerofest at Smith airpark on the 17th and 18th
>
> Farmville N.C on the 24th and 25th
>
> October fly-ins.....
>
> Virginia State EAA fly-in at Dinwiddle the 1st and 2nd
>
> Rotors Over Carolina in Aiken S.C. the 7th through 9th
>
> Darlington S.C. State EAA fly-in the 8th and 9th
>
> Bishopville S.C. fly-in 22nd and 23rd
>
> Franklin N.C. Airshow/fly-in 22nd and 23rd
>
> Camden S.C. airshow 29th and 30th
>
> November fly-ins......
>
> Licolnton N.C. on november the 5th.
>
>
> So what else am I missing??? Where is the good smaller
> fly-ins? When is Laneys fly-in, or Stateline Ultraports
> breakfast fly-in, or Trenton flyers fall fly-in, anything
> going on near James Peelers place?
>
> I don't have anything for the weekends of September 3rd and
> 4th, October 15th and 16th or all of November except for the
> lincolnton fly-in.
>
> Gotta make plans now and REALLY hate hearing about some great
> fly-in I missed out on cause I wasn't in the know.... Thanks
> in advance for any replys.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
Sounds good to me but I can't make it. That weekend is our 1st wedding
anniversary and since I want to have some more of those... Well you
know.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Radomir Zaric
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List:
-->
That sounds good.. let's work out the details sometime next week.
Radomir
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Sargentclt(at)cs.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
Hey why don't you, me and Repucci et al. ride together.
Tad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Upcoming fly ins |
Most of the fly-ins are listed in magazines, others are through word of
mouth - or word of keyboard!
Ron Awad
>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:43:12 -0400
>
>
>What is your source for all these?
>
>I try to put this on the SERV calendar as I hear about them, but I'm always
>the last to know. What do y'all think about everyone being able to edit
>the calendar? Instead of little ol' me trying to keep up with it by
>myself.....
>
>-
>Larry Bowen
>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com/serv
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> > Behalf Of Ron and Shannon AWAD
> > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:23 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com; snakedoctorrv6(at)aol.com;
> > JBENDEL(at)sc.rr.com; randyberry(at)sc.rr.com; Bill28104(at)yahoo.com;
> > ebyars(at)carolina.rr.com; KolbFirestar(at)cs.com;
> > sessex(at)bellsouth.net; jtb1(at)prodigy.net; jcm2(at)earthlink.net;
> > PRA_Chapter_13(at)yahoogroups.com; peelerpilot(at)prodigy.net;
> > youcanfly(at)aol.com; montambo(at)hotmail.com; markscogg(at)aol.com;
> > N2311P(at)aol.com; bthigpen(at)carolina.rr.com
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
> >
> > -->
> >
> >
> > Wondering if anyone knows when and where any of the fall
> > fly-ins are to take place....
> >
> > I have info on September fly-ins...
> >
> > the Winston Airshow on the 10th and 11th
> >
> > Asheboro aerofest at Smith airpark on the 17th and 18th
> >
> > Farmville N.C on the 24th and 25th
> >
> > October fly-ins.....
> >
> > Virginia State EAA fly-in at Dinwiddle the 1st and 2nd
> >
> > Rotors Over Carolina in Aiken S.C. the 7th through 9th
> >
> > Darlington S.C. State EAA fly-in the 8th and 9th
> >
> > Bishopville S.C. fly-in 22nd and 23rd
> >
> > Franklin N.C. Airshow/fly-in 22nd and 23rd
> >
> > Camden S.C. airshow 29th and 30th
> >
> > November fly-ins......
> >
> > Licolnton N.C. on november the 5th.
> >
> >
> > So what else am I missing??? Where is the good smaller
> > fly-ins? When is Laneys fly-in, or Stateline Ultraports
> > breakfast fly-in, or Trenton flyers fall fly-in, anything
> > going on near James Peelers place?
> >
> > I don't have anything for the weekends of September 3rd and
> > 4th, October 15th and 16th or all of November except for the
> > lincolnton fly-in.
> >
> > Gotta make plans now and REALLY hate hearing about some great
> > fly-in I missed out on cause I wasn't in the know.... Thanks
> > in advance for any replys.
> >
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
> >
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Ridgeland Fly-In/Air Race |
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
12:02:00 PM
Guys: I sent this message originally to James, Len, and Ken to get some
feedback. Len suggested putting it out to the whole SERV membership.
We are mulling an idea over here in Ridgeland (3J1) about a fly-in sometime
in the spring of next year that potentially will include an air race as
part of the attraction of participating. Also, we are thinking about
holding a "prototype" race sometime late this fall to check out our
"performance index" program as well as the other parts of our "race plan".
I was wondering if I could ask you guys to review some of our ideas as a
sanity check and also from the perspective of whether or not you think our
ideas would be appealing to SERV and to the RV and experimental
communities, or for that matter, to general aviation in general.
The basic idea will be to set up 3 relatively short courses 150-200 nm
coming to Ridgeland (3J1) from the north, west, and south. Any and all GA
aircraft could participate and the winner(s) would be those with the best
"adjusted" time enroute. The idea would be to open the course at say, 0900
Saturday am and close the course to entries at 1000 or 1030. Aircraft who
make the closing time should all get to Ridgeland before noon. We are
looking for a way to attact participants over and above the usual
"hamburger/hotdog/BBQ" routine. We hope that having three courses will
make it convenient for people to participate: If you are based north of
3J1, for example, you could hopefully "race" the northern course to get to
the fly-in without having to go very much out of your way. The same would
be true from the west and south. Our idea is to conduct more of a "flying
fly-in" and less of a "static display fly-in". If we can get the indexes
for aircraft performance, course length, and weather/wind effects right, we
should be able to declare winners with confidence. A Piper Cub could
theoretically compete on an equal basis with an RV or a Turbo Lancair IV
and vice versa.
We plan on having 3 or 4 legs for each "race course" with lengths such that
a plane like an RV could complete it in an hour or so. We haven't decided
yet on how you prove overflight of each turn point, but have a couple of
good ideas. I've been in contact with the CAFE Foundation and the British
Schnieder Cup people trying to get a handle on the indexing necessary. If
any of you have a resource for that kind of information, please let me
know. I already have a "prototype" index program going together, but it
will have to be refined many times, I suspect, before we are satisfied with
it.
Do you guys think this is something the GA community would embrace? Would
you guys at CUB and nearby participate in our "prototype" race? We will
have a little sponsorship money to help put it on, but not a lot---this
will really be a volunteer effort and don't want this to be a serious
burden on anybody: Not on us putting it on, nor on anyone who elects to
participate. Fun and challenging but neither risky nor burdensome is the
idea. No one should have to stay over night---participation in the entire
event should not take more than a few hours. Everyone will be encouraged
to fly their airplane at least once during the day after they get to 3J1
too (we may have a spot landing contest to make that interesting). We'll
have hotdogs and hamburgers, of course, and have all our local airplanes on
display (including several Wacos, Stearmans, a Tiger Moth, CJ-6, Cassut
racer, gliders and ultralights, powered parachute, etc). Other
possibilities abound (swap meet, biennial check rides (we have an
instructor who says he'll do them for free), etc). Could be interesting
and a lot of fun.
What do y'all think?
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Folks-
the Millsaps are out; family in the hurricane-affected area needs assistance and
they are heeding the call. I think Craig Gallenbach said he was cancelling
also. If so, that leaves 5 couples signed up. Does everyone have lodging at
Crews Inn, in that case? Hope so, as it would be the most convenient.
I've got my bicycles reserved and my packing list together. Wx is looking real
good last I checked.
Hoping to see the Leggetts, Barbees, Bowens, Glasgows and Boyds together sometime
on Friday!
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Just checked AirNav for fuel prices; looks like I'll be topping off at Elizabeth
City for some $3.24 100LL. Those taking a more southerly route might want to
verify and consider taking advantage of prices at KACZ, Wallace, NC, about 100
mi W of Ocracoke. They showed 100LL @ $2.63/Gal. on August 21st. I'd call
to be sure, since it's not guaranteed, and it's 10 days old. Too far out of
my way, unfortunately.
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
What if the ramp is full? Holiday weekend...it might be. Plan B is to
fly to Manteo and rent a car and drive down?
I thought about the bikes and decided against it. If needed I'll get one
for a couple hours. If unavaible, I'll ride on Stormy's handle bars....
:)
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>
> Folks-
>
> the Millsaps are out; family in the hurricane-affected area needs
> assistance and they are heeding the call. I think Craig Gallenbach said
> he was cancelling also. If so, that leaves 5 couples signed up. Does
> everyone have lodging at Crews Inn, in that case? Hope so, as it would be
> the most convenient.
>
> I've got my bicycles reserved and my packing list together. Wx is looking
> real good last I checked.
>
> Hoping to see the Leggetts, Barbees, Bowens, Glasgows and Boyds together
> sometime on Friday!
>
> -Stormy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ridgeland Fly-In/Air Race |
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Sounds like a good idea to me.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com said:
>
> Guys: I sent this message originally to James, Len, and Ken to get some
> feedback. Len suggested putting it out to the whole SERV membership.
>
> We are mulling an idea over here in Ridgeland (3J1) about a fly-in
> sometime
> in the spring of next year that potentially will include an air race as
> part of the attraction of participating. Also, we are thinking about
> holding a "prototype" race sometime late this fall to check out our
> "performance index" program as well as the other parts of our "race plan".
> I was wondering if I could ask you guys to review some of our ideas as a
> sanity check and also from the perspective of whether or not you think our
> ideas would be appealing to SERV and to the RV and experimental
> communities, or for that matter, to general aviation in general.
>
> The basic idea will be to set up 3 relatively short courses 150-200 nm
> coming to Ridgeland (3J1) from the north, west, and south. Any and all GA
> aircraft could participate and the winner(s) would be those with the best
> "adjusted" time enroute. The idea would be to open the course at say,
> 0900
> Saturday am and close the course to entries at 1000 or 1030. Aircraft who
> make the closing time should all get to Ridgeland before noon. We are
> looking for a way to attact participants over and above the usual
> "hamburger/hotdog/BBQ" routine. We hope that having three courses will
> make it convenient for people to participate: If you are based north of
> 3J1, for example, you could hopefully "race" the northern course to get to
> the fly-in without having to go very much out of your way. The same would
> be true from the west and south. Our idea is to conduct more of a "flying
> fly-in" and less of a "static display fly-in". If we can get the indexes
> for aircraft performance, course length, and weather/wind effects right,
> we
> should be able to declare winners with confidence. A Piper Cub could
> theoretically compete on an equal basis with an RV or a Turbo Lancair IV
> and vice versa.
>
> We plan on having 3 or 4 legs for each "race course" with lengths such
> that
> a plane like an RV could complete it in an hour or so. We haven't decided
> yet on how you prove overflight of each turn point, but have a couple of
> good ideas. I've been in contact with the CAFE Foundation and the British
> Schnieder Cup people trying to get a handle on the indexing necessary.
> If
> any of you have a resource for that kind of information, please let me
> know. I already have a "prototype" index program going together, but it
> will have to be refined many times, I suspect, before we are satisfied
> with
> it.
>
> Do you guys think this is something the GA community would embrace?
> Would
> you guys at CUB and nearby participate in our "prototype" race? We will
> have a little sponsorship money to help put it on, but not a lot---this
> will really be a volunteer effort and don't want this to be a serious
> burden on anybody: Not on us putting it on, nor on anyone who elects to
> participate. Fun and challenging but neither risky nor burdensome is the
> idea. No one should have to stay over night---participation in the entire
> event should not take more than a few hours. Everyone will be encouraged
> to fly their airplane at least once during the day after they get to 3J1
> too (we may have a spot landing contest to make that interesting). We'll
> have hotdogs and hamburgers, of course, and have all our local airplanes
> on
> display (including several Wacos, Stearmans, a Tiger Moth, CJ-6, Cassut
> racer, gliders and ultralights, powered parachute, etc). Other
> possibilities abound (swap meet, biennial check rides (we have an
> instructor who says he'll do them for free), etc). Could be interesting
> and a lot of fun.
>
> What do y'all think?
>
> Lee...
>
> Lee Logan
> Government Programs and Sales Support
> Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
> Savannah, Georgia
>
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>
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> contain confidential/proprietary information. Unauthorized review, use,
> disclosure, or distribution, is prohibited. If you are not the intended
> recipient, advise by e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
> message.
> **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ridgeland Fly-In/Air Race |
I like it.
Steve Glasgow
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: <lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ridgeland Fly-In/Air Race
>
> Guys: I sent this message originally to James, Len, and Ken to get some
> feedback. Len suggested putting it out to the whole SERV membership.
>
> We are mulling an idea over here in Ridgeland (3J1) about a fly-in
> sometime
> in the spring of next year that potentially will include an air race as
> part of the attraction of participating. Also, we are thinking about
> holding a "prototype" race sometime late this fall to check out our
> "performance index" program as well as the other parts of our "race plan".
> I was wondering if I could ask you guys to review some of our ideas as a
> sanity check and also from the perspective of whether or not you think our
> ideas would be appealing to SERV and to the RV and experimental
> communities, or for that matter, to general aviation in general.
>
> The basic idea will be to set up 3 relatively short courses 150-200 nm
> coming to Ridgeland (3J1) from the north, west, and south. Any and all GA
> aircraft could participate and the winner(s) would be those with the best
> "adjusted" time enroute. The idea would be to open the course at say,
> 0900
> Saturday am and close the course to entries at 1000 or 1030. Aircraft who
> make the closing time should all get to Ridgeland before noon. We are
> looking for a way to attact participants over and above the usual
> "hamburger/hotdog/BBQ" routine. We hope that having three courses will
> make it convenient for people to participate: If you are based north of
> 3J1, for example, you could hopefully "race" the northern course to get to
> the fly-in without having to go very much out of your way. The same would
> be true from the west and south. Our idea is to conduct more of a "flying
> fly-in" and less of a "static display fly-in". If we can get the indexes
> for aircraft performance, course length, and weather/wind effects right,
> we
> should be able to declare winners with confidence. A Piper Cub could
> theoretically compete on an equal basis with an RV or a Turbo Lancair IV
> and vice versa.
>
> We plan on having 3 or 4 legs for each "race course" with lengths such
> that
> a plane like an RV could complete it in an hour or so. We haven't decided
> yet on how you prove overflight of each turn point, but have a couple of
> good ideas. I've been in contact with the CAFE Foundation and the British
> Schnieder Cup people trying to get a handle on the indexing necessary.
> If
> any of you have a resource for that kind of information, please let me
> know. I already have a "prototype" index program going together, but it
> will have to be refined many times, I suspect, before we are satisfied
> with
> it.
>
> Do you guys think this is something the GA community would embrace?
> Would
> you guys at CUB and nearby participate in our "prototype" race? We will
> have a little sponsorship money to help put it on, but not a lot---this
> will really be a volunteer effort and don't want this to be a serious
> burden on anybody: Not on us putting it on, nor on anyone who elects to
> participate. Fun and challenging but neither risky nor burdensome is the
> idea. No one should have to stay over night---participation in the entire
> event should not take more than a few hours. Everyone will be encouraged
> to fly their airplane at least once during the day after they get to 3J1
> too (we may have a spot landing contest to make that interesting). We'll
> have hotdogs and hamburgers, of course, and have all our local airplanes
> on
> display (including several Wacos, Stearmans, a Tiger Moth, CJ-6, Cassut
> racer, gliders and ultralights, powered parachute, etc). Other
> possibilities abound (swap meet, biennial check rides (we have an
> instructor who says he'll do them for free), etc). Could be interesting
> and a lot of fun.
>
> What do y'all think?
>
> Lee...
>
> Lee Logan
> Government Programs and Sales Support
> Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
> Savannah, Georgia
>
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>
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> contain confidential/proprietary information. Unauthorized review, use,
> disclosure, or distribution, is prohibited. If you are not the intended
> recipient, advise by e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
> message.
> **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Good reason to get there early rather than later.
Steve Glasgow
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
> What if the ramp is full? Holiday weekend...it might be. Plan B is to
> fly to Manteo and rent a car and drive down?
>
> I thought about the bikes and decided against it. If needed I'll get one
> for a couple hours. If unavaible, I'll ride on Stormy's handle bars....
> :)
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>
>> Folks-
>>
>> the Millsaps are out; family in the hurricane-affected area needs
>> assistance and they are heeding the call. I think Craig Gallenbach said
>> he was cancelling also. If so, that leaves 5 couples signed up. Does
>> everyone have lodging at Crews Inn, in that case? Hope so, as it would
>> be
>> the most convenient.
>>
>> I've got my bicycles reserved and my packing list together. Wx is
>> looking
>> real good last I checked.
>>
>> Hoping to see the Leggetts, Barbees, Bowens, Glasgows and Boyds together
>> sometime on Friday!
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
I just called, the price at KACZ is now $3.12 and will be that thru next
week.
Steve Glasgow
----- Original Message -----
From: <sportav8r(at)aol.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Gas prices
>
> Just checked AirNav for fuel prices; looks like I'll be topping off at
> Elizabeth City for some $3.24 100LL. Those taking a more southerly route
> might want to verify and consider taking advantage of prices at KACZ,
> Wallace, NC, about 100 mi W of Ocracoke. They showed 100LL @ $2.63/Gal.
> on August 21st. I'd call to be sure, since it's not guaranteed, and it's
> 10 days old. Too far out of my way, unfortunately.
>
> -Stormy
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Last time Cherry Point cleared a couple of us through R5306A. Assuming
that, would it help with your route?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>
> Just checked AirNav for fuel prices; looks like I'll be topping off at
> Elizabeth City for some $3.24 100LL. Those taking a more southerly route
> might want to verify and consider taking advantage of prices at KACZ,
> Wallace, NC, about 100 mi W of Ocracoke. They showed 100LL @ $2.63/Gal.
> on August 21st. I'd call to be sure, since it's not guaranteed, and it's
> 10 days old. Too far out of my way, unfortunately.
>
> -Stormy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Harrill <rkharr(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ridgeland Fly-In/Air Race |
Lee,
I think it would go over very well and I KNOW those of us at KCUB would
participate and support in any way we can. More flying is definitely what we
need. And an air race would be very cool! If you haven't already, check out
the "Cow country to Carolinas" air race Sept 21-29 at
www.us-airrace.org<http://www.us-airrace.org>
.
Ken Harrill
On 8/31/05, lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com wrote:
>
>
> Guys: I sent this message originally to James, Len, and Ken to get some
> feedback. Len suggested putting it out to the whole SERV membership.
>
> We are mulling an idea over here in Ridgeland (3J1) about a fly-in
> sometime
> in the spring of next year that potentially will include an air race as
> part of the attraction of participating. Also, we are thinking about
> holding a "prototype" race sometime late this fall to check out our
> "performance index" program as well as the other parts of our "race plan".
> I was wondering if I could ask you guys to review some of our ideas as a
> sanity check and also from the perspective of whether or not you think our
> ideas would be appealing to SERV and to the RV and experimental
> communities, or for that matter, to general aviation in general.
>
> The basic idea will be to set up 3 relatively short courses 150-200 nm
> coming to Ridgeland (3J1) from the north, west, and south. Any and all GA
> aircraft could participate and the winner(s) would be those with the best
> "adjusted" time enroute. The idea would be to open the course at say, 0900
> Saturday am and close the course to entries at 1000 or 1030. Aircraft who
> make the closing time should all get to Ridgeland before noon. We are
> looking for a way to attact participants over and above the usual
> "hamburger/hotdog/BBQ" routine. We hope that having three courses will
> make it convenient for people to participate: If you are based north of
> 3J1, for example, you could hopefully "race" the northern course to get to
> the fly-in without having to go very much out of your way. The same would
> be true from the west and south. Our idea is to conduct more of a "flying
> fly-in" and less of a "static display fly-in". If we can get the indexes
> for aircraft performance, course length, and weather/wind effects right,
> we
> should be able to declare winners with confidence. A Piper Cub could
> theoretically compete on an equal basis with an RV or a Turbo Lancair IV
> and vice versa.
>
> We plan on having 3 or 4 legs for each "race course" with lengths such
> that
> a plane like an RV could complete it in an hour or so. We haven't decided
> yet on how you prove overflight of each turn point, but have a couple of
> good ideas. I've been in contact with the CAFE Foundation and the British
> Schnieder Cup people trying to get a handle on the indexing necessary. If
> any of you have a resource for that kind of information, please let me
> know. I already have a "prototype" index program going together, but it
> will have to be refined many times, I suspect, before we are satisfied
> with
> it.
>
> Do you guys think this is something the GA community would embrace? Would
> you guys at CUB and nearby participate in our "prototype" race? We will
> have a little sponsorship money to help put it on, but not a lot---this
> will really be a volunteer effort and don't want this to be a serious
> burden on anybody: Not on us putting it on, nor on anyone who elects to
> participate. Fun and challenging but neither risky nor burdensome is the
> idea. No one should have to stay over night---participation in the entire
> event should not take more than a few hours. Everyone will be encouraged
> to fly their airplane at least once during the day after they get to 3J1
> too (we may have a spot landing contest to make that interesting). We'll
> have hotdogs and hamburgers, of course, and have all our local airplanes
> on
> display (including several Wacos, Stearmans, a Tiger Moth, CJ-6, Cassut
> racer, gliders and ultralights, powered parachute, etc). Other
> possibilities abound (swap meet, biennial check rides (we have an
> instructor who says he'll do them for free), etc). Could be interesting
> and a lot of fun.
>
> What do y'all think?
>
> Lee...
>
> Lee Logan
> Government Programs and Sales Support
> Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
> Savannah, Georgia
>
>
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
It would help some but not a lot. I plan to fly over with full tanks and
then stop at KACZ on the way back. Also planning on leaving around 11 AM.
Perhaps all those staying at the Crews Inn should exchange cell phone
numbers. Mine is below.
Steve Glasgow
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884 Cell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Gas prices
>
>
> Last time Cherry Point cleared a couple of us through R5306A. Assuming
> that, would it help with your route?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>
>> Just checked AirNav for fuel prices; looks like I'll be topping off at
>> Elizabeth City for some $3.24 100LL. Those taking a more southerly route
>> might want to verify and consider taking advantage of prices at KACZ,
>> Wallace, NC, about 100 mi W of Ocracoke. They showed 100LL @ $2.63/Gal.
>> on August 21st. I'd call to be sure, since it's not guaranteed, and it's
>> 10 days old. Too far out of my way, unfortunately.
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Keadle" <Scott(at)keadle.com> |
| Subject: | Ridgeland Fly-In/Air Race |
Sounds fun to me.
Scott Keadle
...
> What do y'all think?
>
> Lee...
>
> Lee Logan
> Government Programs and Sales Support
> Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
> Savannah, Georgia
>
>
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>
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Sadly, that's a good price. I paid $3.33 at Stanley Co./VUJ this evening.
The new bulk/discounted rate at 8A7 is $3.55...$3.85 retail. This could get
ugly....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Steve Glasgow
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:05 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Gas prices
>
> -->
>
> I just called, the price at KACZ is now $3.12 and will be
> that thru next week.
>
> Steve Glasgow
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sportav8r(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Gas prices
>
>
> >
> > Just checked AirNav for fuel prices; looks like I'll be
> topping off at
> > Elizabeth City for some $3.24 100LL. Those taking a more
> southerly route
> > might want to verify and consider taking advantage of
> prices at KACZ,
> > Wallace, NC, about 100 mi W of Ocracoke. They showed 100LL
> @ $2.63/Gal.
> > on August 21st. I'd call to be sure, since it's not
> guaranteed, and it's
> > 10 days old. Too far out of my way, unfortunately.
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419)
I would brag about how I am saving so much money since I use nothing but 93
Octance car gas in my 4, but after sitting in a long line for gas tonight to
fill up the car and some jerry cans, It looks like Av-Gas is cheaper than
mo-gas right now.
Anyone want to buy a nice RV-4? I will trade for a glider... :)
Ron Awad
>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Gas prices
>Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:48:12 -0400
>
>
>Sadly, that's a good price. I paid $3.33 at Stanley Co./VUJ this evening.
>The new bulk/discounted rate at 8A7 is $3.55...$3.85 retail. This could
>get
>ugly....
>
>-
>Larry Bowen
>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Glasgow
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:05 PM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Gas prices
> >
> > -->
> >
> > I just called, the price at KACZ is now $3.12 and will be
> > that thru next week.
> >
> > Steve Glasgow
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <sportav8r(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Gas prices
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Just checked AirNav for fuel prices; looks like I'll be
> > topping off at
> > > Elizabeth City for some $3.24 100LL. Those taking a more
> > southerly route
> > > might want to verify and consider taking advantage of
> > prices at KACZ,
> > > Wallace, NC, about 100 mi W of Ocracoke. They showed 100LL
> > @ $2.63/Gal.
> > > on August 21st. I'd call to be sure, since it's not
> > guaranteed, and it's
> > > 10 days old. Too far out of my way, unfortunately.
> > >
> > > -Stormy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Excellent point, Steve. That's a worry. Maybe it's not naive to expect the biggest
influx would be Saturday, but how to be sure? Driving a rental down from
Manteo would really be a disatant second choice for me!
Larry, how do you plan to get around down there for 4 days without a bike - rent
a scooter instead?
Most of it is walkable, but Howards is a good hike from Silver Bay.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
Good reason to get there early rather than later.
Steve Glasgow
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
> What if the ramp is full? Holiday weekend...it might be. Plan B is to
> fly to Manteo and rent a car and drive down?
>
> I thought about the bikes and decided against it. If needed I'll get one
> for a couple hours. If unavaible, I'll ride on Stormy's handle bars....
> :)
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>
>> Folks-
>>
>> the Millsaps are out; family in the hurricane-affected area needs
>> assistance and they are heeding the call. I think Craig Gallenbach said
>> he was cancelling also. If so, that leaves 5 couples signed up. Does
>> everyone have lodging at Crews Inn, in that case? Hope so, as it would
>> be
>> the most convenient.
>>
>> I've got my bicycles reserved and my packing list together. Wx is
>> looking
>> real good last I checked.
>>
>> Hoping to see the Leggetts, Barbees, Bowens, Glasgows and Boyds together
>> sometime on Friday!
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Distant second, yes. But I just found myself wondering what plan B might
be should it happen. It probably won't be an issue.
A good hike sounds inviting!! When that gets old I'll improvise....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>
> Excellent point, Steve. That's a worry. Maybe it's not naive to expect
> the biggest influx would be Saturday, but how to be sure? Driving a
> rental down from Manteo would really be a disatant second choice for me!
>
> Larry, how do you plan to get around down there for 4 days without a bike
> - rent a scooter instead?
>
> Most of it is walkable, but Howards is a good hike from Silver Bay.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
>
>
> Good reason to get there early rather than later.
>
> Steve Glasgow
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
>>
>>
>> What if the ramp is full? Holiday weekend...it might be. Plan B is to
>> fly to Manteo and rent a car and drive down?
>>
>> I thought about the bikes and decided against it. If needed I'll get
>> one
>> for a couple hours. If unavaible, I'll ride on Stormy's handle bars....
>> :)
>>
>> -
>> Larry Bowen
>> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>> http://BowenAero.com
>>
>> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>>
>>> Folks-
>>>
>>> the Millsaps are out; family in the hurricane-affected area needs
>>> assistance and they are heeding the call. I think Craig Gallenbach
>>> said
>>> he was cancelling also. If so, that leaves 5 couples signed up. Does
>>> everyone have lodging at Crews Inn, in that case? Hope so, as it would
>>> be
>>> the most convenient.
>>>
>>> I've got my bicycles reserved and my packing list together. Wx is
>>> looking
>>> real good last I checked.
>>>
>>> Hoping to see the Leggetts, Barbees, Bowens, Glasgows and Boyds
>>> together
>>> sometime on Friday!
>>>
>>> -Stormy
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 9/1/2005 6:43:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
willfly(at)carolina.rr.com writes:
Perhaps all those staying at the Crews Inn should exchange cell phone
numbers. Mine is below.
Steve Glasgow
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884 Cell
Len Leggette - 336-210-4308
________________________________________________________________________________
I went there on Labor Day a few years ago. The ramp was full so I parked
in the "grass" of the side of the ramp towards the runway. If you are
overnighting, you might want to bring a tie-down kit.
>
>
> Distant second, yes. But I just found myself wondering what plan B might
> be should it happen. It probably won't be an issue.
>
> A good hike sounds inviting!! When that gets old I'll improvise....
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>
>> Excellent point, Steve. That's a worry. Maybe it's not naive to expect
>> the biggest influx would be Saturday, but how to be sure? Driving a
>> rental down from Manteo would really be a disatant second choice for me!
>>
>> Larry, how do you plan to get around down there for 4 days without a
>> bike
>> - rent a scooter instead?
>>
>> Most of it is walkable, but Howards is a good hike from Silver Bay.
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good reason to get there early rather than later.
>>
>> Steve Glasgow
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What if the ramp is full? Holiday weekend...it might be. Plan B is to
>>> fly to Manteo and rent a car and drive down?
>>>
>>> I thought about the bikes and decided against it. If needed I'll get
>>> one
>>> for a couple hours. If unavaible, I'll ride on Stormy's handle
>>> bars....
>>> :)
>>>
>>> -
>>> Larry Bowen
>>> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>> http://BowenAero.com
>>>
>>> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>>>
>>>> Folks-
>>>>
>>>> the Millsaps are out; family in the hurricane-affected area needs
>>>> assistance and they are heeding the call. I think Craig Gallenbach
>>>> said
>>>> he was cancelling also. If so, that leaves 5 couples signed up. Does
>>>> everyone have lodging at Crews Inn, in that case? Hope so, as it
>>>> would
>>>> be
>>>> the most convenient.
>>>>
>>>> I've got my bicycles reserved and my packing list together. Wx is
>>>> looking
>>>> real good last I checked.
>>>>
>>>> Hoping to see the Leggetts, Barbees, Bowens, Glasgows and Boyds
>>>> together
>>>> sometime on Friday!
>>>>
>>>> -Stormy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Ridgeland Fly-In/Air Race |
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
10:27:41 AM
Good feedback, guys. Thanks for the heads up on the Cowtown to Carolina
races, Ken. One big task that I don't really have an answer for is how
to handicap the whole thing. I've emailed the U.S. Air Race guys (and a
couple of others too) for information (and offered to share my info with
them). If I can work out a fair and accurate handicap program, this just
might work. You know what kind of airplane won their big race in 2003?: A
Piper Lance!!
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Okay, here's the plan. First few to get there, park just close enough together
that no one can quite squeeze between you. Take up five places with three planes.
Then as more SERV members arrive, we juggle the planes already there to
shoe-horn the later arrivals in. Can you say "Apron Rage?" ;-)
When those of us who will be biking while on the island get ready to leave Howard's
after dinner, we tell the waitress to save the table for the Bowens, who
left the cottage same time we did for dinner, but are walking...
I'm going to call ECG now to verify their fuel supplies. I've heard nasty rumors
about shortages of motor fuel all across the Carolinas, including some hams
on the air this morning discussing whether it would be foolish to trek to the
Shelby Hamfest this weekend, given the possibility of no gas to get back home
with. Sobering. Maybe this will thin the crowds on the island a bit, but I
doubt it.
Sure hope the Millsaps' adventure turns out okay.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: paulf(at)ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
I went there on Labor Day a few years ago. The ramp was full so I parked
in the "grass" of the side of the ramp towards the runway. If you are
overnighting, you might want to bring a tie-down kit.
>
>
> Distant second, yes. But I just found myself wondering what plan B might
> be should it happen. It probably won't be an issue.
>
> A good hike sounds inviting!! When that gets old I'll improvise....
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>
>> Excellent point, Steve. That's a worry. Maybe it's not naive to expect
>> the biggest influx would be Saturday, but how to be sure? Driving a
>> rental down from Manteo would really be a disatant second choice for me!
>>
>> Larry, how do you plan to get around down there for 4 days without a
>> bike
>> - rent a scooter instead?
>>
>> Most of it is walkable, but Howards is a good hike from Silver Bay.
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good reason to get there early rather than later.
>>
>> Steve Glasgow
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What if the ramp is full? Holiday weekend...it might be. Plan B is to
>>> fly to Manteo and rent a car and drive down?
>>>
>>> I thought about the bikes and decided against it. If needed I'll get
>>> one
>>> for a couple hours. If unavaible, I'll ride on Stormy's handle
>>> bars....
>>> :)
>>>
>>> -
>>> Larry Bowen
>>> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>> http://BowenAero.com
>>>
>>> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>>>
>>>> Folks-
>>>>
>>>> the Millsaps are out; family in the hurricane-affected area needs
>>>> assistance and they are heeding the call. I think Craig Gallenbach
>>>> said
>>>> he was cancelling also. If so, that leaves 5 couples signed up. Does
>>>> everyone have lodging at Crews Inn, in that case? Hope so, as it
>>>> would
>>>> be
>>>> the most convenient.
>>>>
>>>> I've got my bicycles reserved and my packing list together. Wx is
>>>> looking
>>>> real good last I checked.
>>>>
>>>> Hoping to see the Leggetts, Barbees, Bowens, Glasgows and Boyds
>>>> together
>>>> sometime on Friday!
>>>>
>>>> -Stormy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Chuckle. So you are saying we are the only ones in the group without bikes?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>
> Okay, here's the plan. First few to get there, park just close enough
> together that no one can quite squeeze between you. Take up five places
> with three planes. Then as more SERV members arrive, we juggle the planes
> already there to shoe-horn the later arrivals in. Can you say "Apron
> Rage?" ;-)
>
> When those of us who will be biking while on the island get ready to leave
> Howard's after dinner, we tell the waitress to save the table for the
> Bowens, who left the cottage same time we did for dinner, but are
> walking...
>
> I'm going to call ECG now to verify their fuel supplies. I've heard nasty
> rumors about shortages of motor fuel all across the Carolinas, including
> some hams on the air this morning discussing whether it would be foolish
> to trek to the Shelby Hamfest this weekend, given the possibility of no
> gas to get back home with. Sobering. Maybe this will thin the crowds on
> the island a bit, but I doubt it.
>
> Sure hope the Millsaps' adventure turns out okay.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paulf(at)ncsu.edu
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
> I went there on Labor Day a few years ago. The ramp was full so I parked
> in the "grass" of the side of the ramp towards the runway. If you are
> overnighting, you might want to bring a tie-down kit.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Distant second, yes. But I just found myself wondering what plan B
>> might
>> be should it happen. It probably won't be an issue.
>>
>> A good hike sounds inviting!! When that gets old I'll improvise....
>>
>> -
>> Larry Bowen
>> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>> http://BowenAero.com
>>
>> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>>
>>> Excellent point, Steve. That's a worry. Maybe it's not naive to
>>> expect
>>> the biggest influx would be Saturday, but how to be sure? Driving a
>>> rental down from Manteo would really be a disatant second choice for
>>> me!
>>>
>>> Larry, how do you plan to get around down there for 4 days without a
>>> bike
>>> - rent a scooter instead?
>>>
>>> Most of it is walkable, but Howards is a good hike from Silver Bay.
>>>
>>> -Stormy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good reason to get there early rather than later.
>>>
>>> Steve Glasgow
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What if the ramp is full? Holiday weekend...it might be. Plan B is
>>>> to
>>>> fly to Manteo and rent a car and drive down?
>>>>
>>>> I thought about the bikes and decided against it. If needed I'll get
>>>> one
>>>> for a couple hours. If unavaible, I'll ride on Stormy's handle
>>>> bars....
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Larry Bowen
>>>> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>>> http://BowenAero.com
>>>>
>>>> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>>>>
>>>>> Folks-
>>>>>
>>>>> the Millsaps are out; family in the hurricane-affected area needs
>>>>> assistance and they are heeding the call. I think Craig Gallenbach
>>>>> said
>>>>> he was cancelling also. If so, that leaves 5 couples signed up.
>>>>> Does
>>>>> everyone have lodging at Crews Inn, in that case? Hope so, as it
>>>>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>> the most convenient.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got my bicycles reserved and my packing list together. Wx is
>>>>> looking
>>>>> real good last I checked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoping to see the Leggetts, Barbees, Bowens, Glasgows and Boyds
>>>>> together
>>>>> sometime on Friday!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Stormy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Larry and Steve may rent motor scooters and will be waiting on the Boyd's.
Are there any Taxi's on the island?
I'm planning on leaving the house at 10 AM. This should get us to Ocracoke
by 1 PM. I will try to block all I can. Stormy what is your cell number?
Steve Glasgow
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884 Cell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
> Chuckle. So you are saying we are the only ones in the group without
> bikes?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>
>> Okay, here's the plan. First few to get there, park just close enough
>> together that no one can quite squeeze between you. Take up five places
>> with three planes. Then as more SERV members arrive, we juggle the
>> planes
>> already there to shoe-horn the later arrivals in. Can you say "Apron
>> Rage?" ;-)
>>
>> When those of us who will be biking while on the island get ready to
>> leave
>> Howard's after dinner, we tell the waitress to save the table for the
>> Bowens, who left the cottage same time we did for dinner, but are
>> walking...
>>
>> I'm going to call ECG now to verify their fuel supplies. I've heard
>> nasty
>> rumors about shortages of motor fuel all across the Carolinas, including
>> some hams on the air this morning discussing whether it would be foolish
>> to trek to the Shelby Hamfest this weekend, given the possibility of no
>> gas to get back home with. Sobering. Maybe this will thin the crowds on
>> the island a bit, but I doubt it.
>>
>> Sure hope the Millsaps' adventure turns out okay.
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: paulf(at)ncsu.edu
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>
>>
>>
>> I went there on Labor Day a few years ago. The ramp was full so I parked
>> in the "grass" of the side of the ramp towards the runway. If you are
>> overnighting, you might want to bring a tie-down kit.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Distant second, yes. But I just found myself wondering what plan B
>>> might
>>> be should it happen. It probably won't be an issue.
>>>
>>> A good hike sounds inviting!! When that gets old I'll improvise....
>>>
>>> -
>>> Larry Bowen
>>> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>> http://BowenAero.com
>>>
>>> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>>>
>>>> Excellent point, Steve. That's a worry. Maybe it's not naive to
>>>> expect
>>>> the biggest influx would be Saturday, but how to be sure? Driving a
>>>> rental down from Manteo would really be a disatant second choice for
>>>> me!
>>>>
>>>> Larry, how do you plan to get around down there for 4 days without a
>>>> bike
>>>> - rent a scooter instead?
>>>>
>>>> Most of it is walkable, but Howards is a good hike from Silver Bay.
>>>>
>>>> -Stormy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good reason to get there early rather than later.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Glasgow
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What if the ramp is full? Holiday weekend...it might be. Plan B is
>>>>> to
>>>>> fly to Manteo and rent a car and drive down?
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought about the bikes and decided against it. If needed I'll get
>>>>> one
>>>>> for a couple hours. If unavaible, I'll ride on Stormy's handle
>>>>> bars....
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Larry Bowen
>>>>> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>>>> http://BowenAero.com
>>>>>
>>>>> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Millsaps are out; family in the hurricane-affected area needs
>>>>>> assistance and they are heeding the call. I think Craig Gallenbach
>>>>>> said
>>>>>> he was cancelling also. If so, that leaves 5 couples signed up.
>>>>>> Does
>>>>>> everyone have lodging at Crews Inn, in that case? Hope so, as it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> the most convenient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got my bicycles reserved and my packing list together. Wx is
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> real good last I checked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoping to see the Leggetts, Barbees, Bowens, Glasgows and Boyds
>>>>>> together
>>>>>> sometime on Friday!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Stormy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Stormy cell: 540-969-6466.
Good thing I called to verify fuel at ECG; the fellow offered me fuel tomorrow
at today's price, and it was going to be jacked right after we spoke today. Somewhat
moot point since I can carry enough for a round trip plus reserves (barely)
but I've been want ing some avgas for awhile now, to run some tests with
the P-mags. Ron is right: 100LL now costs what I pay for premium mogas.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
Larry and Steve may rent motor scooters and will be waiting on the Boyd's.
Are there any Taxi's on the island?
I'm planning on leaving the house at 10 AM. This should get us to Ocracoke
by 1 PM. I will try to block all I can. Stormy what is your cell number?
Steve Glasgow
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884 Cell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>
>
> Chuckle. So you are saying we are the only ones in the group without
> bikes?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>
>> Okay, here's the plan. First few to get there, park just close enough
>> together that no one can quite squeeze between you. Take up five places
>> with three planes. Then as more SERV members arrive, we juggle the
>> planes
>> already there to shoe-horn the later arrivals in. Can you say "Apron
>> Rage?" ;-)
>>
>> When those of us who will be biking while on the island get ready to
>> leave
>> Howard's after dinner, we tell the waitress to save the table for the
>> Bowens, who left the cottage same time we did for dinner, but are
>> walking...
>>
>> I'm going to call ECG now to verify their fuel supplies. I've heard
>> nasty
>> rumors about shortages of motor fuel all across the Carolinas, including
>> some hams on the air this morning discussing whether it would be foolish
>> to trek to the Shelby Hamfest this weekend, given the possibility of no
>> gas to get back home with. Sobering. Maybe this will thin the crowds on
>> the island a bit, but I doubt it.
>>
>> Sure hope the Millsaps' adventure turns out okay.
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: paulf(at)ncsu.edu
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>
>>
>>
>> I went there on Labor Day a few years ago. The ramp was full so I parked
>> in the "grass" of the side of the ramp towards the runway. If you are
>> overnighting, you might want to bring a tie-down kit.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Distant second, yes. But I just found myself wondering what plan B
>>> might
>>> be should it happen. It probably won't be an issue.
>>>
>>> A good hike sounds inviting!! When that gets old I'll improvise....
>>>
>>> -
>>> Larry Bowen
>>> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>> http://BowenAero.com
>>>
>>> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>>>
>>>> Excellent point, Steve. That's a worry. Maybe it's not naive to
>>>> expect
>>>> the biggest influx would be Saturday, but how to be sure? Driving a
>>>> rental down from Manteo would really be a disatant second choice for
>>>> me!
>>>>
>>>> Larry, how do you plan to get around down there for 4 days without a
>>>> bike
>>>> - rent a scooter instead?
>>>>
>>>> Most of it is walkable, but Howards is a good hike from Silver Bay.
>>>>
>>>> -Stormy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good reason to get there early rather than later.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Glasgow
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ocracoke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What if the ramp is full? Holiday weekend...it might be. Plan B is
>>>>> to
>>>>> fly to Manteo and rent a car and drive down?
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought about the bikes and decided against it. If needed I'll get
>>>>> one
>>>>> for a couple hours. If unavaible, I'll ride on Stormy's handle
>>>>> bars....
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Larry Bowen
>>>>> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>>>> http://BowenAero.com
>>>>>
>>>>> sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Millsaps are out; family in the hurricane-affected area needs
>>>>>> assistance and they are heeding the call. I think Craig Gallenbach
>>>>>> said
>>>>>> he was cancelling also. If so, that leaves 5 couples signed up.
>>>>>> Does
>>>>>> everyone have lodging at Crews Inn, in that case? Hope so, as it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> the most convenient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got my bicycles reserved and my packing list together. Wx is
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> real good last I checked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoping to see the Leggetts, Barbees, Bowens, Glasgows and Boyds
>>>>>> together
>>>>>> sometime on Friday!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Stormy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Davenport" <ddavenport5(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Upcoming fly ins |
Larry, go look at www.flyins.com, subscribe, and they will send you more
fly-in notices than you can shake a stick at. I have used this outlet for
fly-in info for our local flying club's newsletter for about a year now.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>
>
> Most of the fly-ins are listed in magazines, others are through word of
> mouth - or word of keyboard!
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>To:
>>Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>>Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:43:12 -0400
>>
>>
>>
>>What is your source for all these?
>>
>>I try to put this on the SERV calendar as I hear about them, but I'm
>>always
>>the last to know. What do y'all think about everyone being able to edit
>>the calendar? Instead of little ol' me trying to keep up with it by
>>myself.....
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen
>>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com/serv
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
>> > Behalf Of Ron and Shannon AWAD
>> > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:23 AM
>> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com; snakedoctorrv6(at)aol.com;
>> > JBENDEL(at)sc.rr.com; randyberry(at)sc.rr.com; Bill28104(at)yahoo.com;
>> > ebyars(at)carolina.rr.com; KolbFirestar(at)cs.com;
>> > sessex(at)bellsouth.net; jtb1(at)prodigy.net; jcm2(at)earthlink.net;
>> > PRA_Chapter_13(at)yahoogroups.com; peelerpilot(at)prodigy.net;
>> > youcanfly(at)aol.com; montambo(at)hotmail.com; markscogg(at)aol.com;
>> > N2311P(at)aol.com; bthigpen(at)carolina.rr.com
>> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Upcoming fly ins
>> >
>> > -->
>> >
>> >
>> > Wondering if anyone knows when and where any of the fall
>> > fly-ins are to take place....
>> >
>> > I have info on September fly-ins...
>> >
>> > the Winston Airshow on the 10th and 11th
>> >
>> > Asheboro aerofest at Smith airpark on the 17th and 18th
>> >
>> > Farmville N.C on the 24th and 25th
>> >
>> > October fly-ins.....
>> >
>> > Virginia State EAA fly-in at Dinwiddle the 1st and 2nd
>> >
>> > Rotors Over Carolina in Aiken S.C. the 7th through 9th
>> >
>> > Darlington S.C. State EAA fly-in the 8th and 9th
>> >
>> > Bishopville S.C. fly-in 22nd and 23rd
>> >
>> > Franklin N.C. Airshow/fly-in 22nd and 23rd
>> >
>> > Camden S.C. airshow 29th and 30th
>> >
>> > November fly-ins......
>> >
>> > Licolnton N.C. on november the 5th.
>> >
>> >
>> > So what else am I missing??? Where is the good smaller
>> > fly-ins? When is Laneys fly-in, or Stateline Ultraports
>> > breakfast fly-in, or Trenton flyers fall fly-in, anything
>> > going on near James Peelers place?
>> >
>> > I don't have anything for the weekends of September 3rd and
>> > 4th, October 15th and 16th or all of November except for the
>> > lincolnton fly-in.
>> >
>> > Gotta make plans now and REALLY hate hearing about some great
>> > fly-in I missed out on cause I wasn't in the know.... Thanks
>> > in advance for any replys.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ron Awad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Photoshare, and much much more:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sargentclt(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: thEast-List: |
done
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Keadle" <Scott(at)keadle.com> |
Huh?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Sargentclt(at)cs.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
done
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BOB MARTIN" <libertyva(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Louisa VA Air Fair a Success! |
Louisa Air Fair had their biggest turn out ever Saturday! We counted
10 Rv's besides our 3 -6's based there. For 13 total with some RV guys
driving in too (Rick&Karen). The weather was perfect, the food was
yummy and lots of good conversation and reconnecting with RV and some
ragwing buddies too (Tom). There was a nice flight of two that arrived
with followers and I think a gaggle of 5 arrived at once too...It was
the first time I've ever seen 7 planes on downwind at LKU, what a
sight!! :-) reminded me of Oshkosh for a minute. There were so many
planes they were parking on the sides of the taxiway and cars lined
the secondary roads all the way out to the main highway. Thanks to
everyone that made it and added to an Air Fair that us locals will be
talking about for some time to come.
Just Wait Til Next Year,
Bob Martin
Larry Burruss
Tripp Jones
Bill Hinckley
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | SERV Saturday at INT |
Guys:
Larry and I will be putting some "chili" on at my hanger on Saturday for the
Winston Salem Airshow. It is hanger # 23 ... of the South Tees. Facing
runway 4 - 22 ... near the beginning of runway 4 ...I will have the door open
... RV-8A inside .... yellow police tape across the door to keep the public out
...
Anytime on Saturday ... will be there most of the day. You are welcome to
bring chairs, etc to relax in the hanger and watch the activities.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: W95 Highlights |
In a message dated 9/6/2005 7:59:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Larry(at)bowenaero.com writes:
There are a couple notes from this weekend's splendid trip to Ocracoke on
my website. More pix will be available on the SERV album site as others
upload them (or send them to me to do so).
Good pics .... wish I was still there !!! For those that missed the trip
... it was one of the best RV trips I have ever taken ...
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BOB martin" <libertyva(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Ocracoke W95 Highlights |
Larry, Len, Stormy???
Glad to hear you all had a good time at Ocracoke....we thought about you
while we were having so much fun in such beautiful weather at the Louisa Air
Fair...we missed you!
I'm glad we all can share in your fun via the pics on Larry's site. Waiting
for the details!
Yesterday, a fellow pilot at LKU said he was at Ocracoke Sunday and saw a
small plane on its back about halfway down the runway??? Any truth to the
story? I think he said it was yellow.
Bob Martin, Louisa VA
>From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: W95 Highlights
>Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:24:00 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 9/6/2005 7:59:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>Larry(at)bowenaero.com writes:
>
>There are a couple notes from this weekend's splendid trip to Ocracoke on
>my website. More pix will be available on the SERV album site as others
>upload them (or send them to me to do so).
>
>
>Good pics .... wish I was still there !!! For those that missed the trip
>... it was one of the best RV trips I have ever taken ...
>
>Len
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ocracoke W95 Highlights |
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
There was a blue and white Maule tailwheel in the weeds. Look like it
went off the runway at a good rate of speed, but survivable. Three guys
were digging it out as we left yesterday.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
BOB martin said:
>
> Larry, Len, Stormy???
> Glad to hear you all had a good time at Ocracoke....we thought about you
> while we were having so much fun in such beautiful weather at the Louisa
> Air
> Fair...we missed you!
> I'm glad we all can share in your fun via the pics on Larry's site.
> Waiting
> for the details!
>
> Yesterday, a fellow pilot at LKU said he was at Ocracoke Sunday and saw a
> small plane on its back about halfway down the runway??? Any truth to the
> story? I think he said it was yellow.
> Bob Martin, Louisa VA
>
>
>>From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: W95 Highlights
>>Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:24:00 EDT
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 9/6/2005 7:59:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>Larry(at)bowenaero.com writes:
>>
>>There are a couple notes from this weekend's splendid trip to Ocracoke
>> on
>>my website. More pix will be available on the SERV album site as
>> others
>>upload them (or send them to me to do so).
>>
>>
>>Good pics .... wish I was still there !!! For those that missed the
>> trip
>>... it was one of the best RV trips I have ever taken ...
>>
>>Len
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: SERV Saturday at INT |
when will the airport be open for arrivals? departures?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Saturday at INT
Guys:
Larry and I will be putting some "chili" on at my hanger on Saturday for the
Winston Salem Airshow. It is hanger # 23 ... of the South Tees. Facing
runway 4 - 22 ... near the beginning of runway 4 ...I will have the door open
... RV-8A inside .... yellow police tape across the door to keep the public out
...
Anytime on Saturday ... will be there most of the day. You are welcome to
bring chairs, etc to relax in the hanger and watch the activities.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday 09/06/05 |
Dear Listers,
I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today,
Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. Archive browsing and
searching along with subscription services will be unavailable for
be processed normally during the upgrade. Please check the Matronics
System Status Page for updates (although this page resides on the web
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Matronics Email List Admin.
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http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | SERV Saturday at INT |
Have fun at the air show. This weekend is our wedding anniversary and I
promised the wife/bucking partner/daughter of the real bucking partner
that I would take her to the mountains to celebrate.
Bill
RV-9
www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html
PS. The in-laws came by for the weekend and my Father-in-law helped me
rivet the bottom skin on the 2nd wing. Now I can get back to the
fuselage and prep that for the arrival of the finishing in two weeks.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Saturday at INT
when will the airport be open for arrivals? departures?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Saturday at INT
Guys:
Larry and I will be putting some "chili" on at my hanger on Saturday for
the
Winston Salem Airshow. It is hanger # 23 ... of the South Tees.
Facing
runway 4 - 22 ... near the beginning of runway 4 ...I will have the door
open
... RV-8A inside .... yellow police tape across the door to keep the
public out
...
Anytime on Saturday ... will be there most of the day. You are welcome
to
bring chairs, etc to relax in the hanger and watch the activities.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | SERV Saturday at INT |
I'm coordinating with Tad and Thane to come up.
See ya!
Radomir
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Lenleg(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Saturday at INT
Guys:
Larry and I will be putting some "chili" on at my hanger on Saturday for
the
Winston Salem Airshow. It is hanger # 23 ... of the South Tees. Facing
runway 4 - 22 ... near the beginning of runway 4 ...I will have the door
open
... RV-8A inside .... yellow police tape across the door to keep the public
out
...
Anytime on Saturday ... will be there most of the day. You are welcome to
bring chairs, etc to relax in the hanger and watch the activities.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: SERV Saturday at INT |
What's the deal on getting in and getting out again by plane? Might go but not
willing to get stuck ;-)
Did my travelogue make it to the list? Maybe I scared 'em all away with my "writing,"
Larry.
Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Radomir Zaric <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Saturday at INT
I'm coordinating with Tad and Thane to come up.
See ya!
Radomir
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Lenleg(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Saturday at INT
Guys:
Larry and I will be putting some "chili" on at my hanger on Saturday for
the
Winston Salem Airshow. It is hanger # 23 ... of the South Tees. Facing
runway 4 - 22 ... near the beginning of runway 4 ...I will have the door
open
... RV-8A inside .... yellow police tape across the door to keep the public
out
...
Anytime on Saturday ... will be there most of the day. You are welcome to
bring chairs, etc to relax in the hanger and watch the activities.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: SERV Saturday at INT |
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I saw your nice travelogue on the MARV list, but have not seen it on SERV.
Maybe it was trashed during the recent maintenance. Please report here
for everyone to enjoy!
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>
> What's the deal on getting in and getting out again by plane? Might go
> but not willing to get stuck ;-)
>
> Did my travelogue make it to the list? Maybe I scared 'em all away with
> my "writing," Larry.
>
> Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Radomir Zaric <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Saturday at INT
>
>
>
>
> I'm coordinating with Tad and Thane to come up.
>
> See ya!
> Radomir
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lenleg(at)aol.com
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Saturday at INT
>
>
> Guys:
>
> Larry and I will be putting some "chili" on at my hanger on Saturday for
> the
> Winston Salem Airshow. It is hanger # 23 ... of the South Tees. Facing
> runway 4 - 22 ... near the beginning of runway 4 ...I will have the door
> open
> ... RV-8A inside .... yellow police tape across the door to keep the
> public
> out
> ...
>
> Anytime on Saturday ... will be there most of the day. You are welcome
> to
> bring chairs, etc to relax in the hanger and watch the activities.
>
> Len
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: SERV Saturday at INT |
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I saw your nice travelogue on the MARV list, but have not seen it on SERV.
Maybe it was trashed during the recent maintenance. Please report here
for everyone to enjoy!
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r(at)aol.com said:
>
> What's the deal on getting in and getting out again by plane? Might go
> but not willing to get stuck ;-)
>
> Did my travelogue make it to the list? Maybe I scared 'em all away with
> my "writing," Larry.
>
> Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Radomir Zaric <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Saturday at INT
>
>
>
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