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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
AYS is 50 cents higher than amg, but has other
services. all i need is a coke and crackers.
--- Larry Bowen wrote:
> Bowen"
>
> Sounds like a decent plan to me. Nearby Waycross
> (AYS) is another option.
> It's a popular stop during the SNF run. No
> self-serve though......
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bill crothers [mailto:bill28104(at)yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:37 PM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
> >
> crothers
> > -->
> >
> > Tad and I can meet in air around 10. Would like
> to do AMG
> > for gas and a short break. its about half-way.
> > Zepherhills is almost there.
> >
> > --- Larry Bowen wrote:
> >
> > > Bowen"
> > >
> > > Are we trying to go down as a single gaggle or
> pairs or what? Why
> > > stop at LKR, just as a common meeting ground?
> I'm tempted to keep
> > > going and pair up in the air...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Larry Bowen
> > > Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> > > http://BowenAero.com
> > >
> > > Steve Glasgow said:
> > > Glasgow"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to try to make it to Zephyr Hills
> where
> > > the gas is $2.95 and
> > > > will try to leave around 10 AM.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Cappy
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: bill crothers
> > > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:44 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
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> > > crothers
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> > > >
> > > > looks like meet at lancaster about 10 or 11.
>
> > > fly down
> > > > to alma and get gas/on to lal.
> > > >
> > > > --- Steve Glasgow
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> "Steve
> > > > > Glasgow"
> > > > >
> > > > > What time is everyone thinking about
> leaving
> > > on
> > > > > Friday.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lynnie and I have changed our plans and we
> are
> > > now
> > > > > leaving on Fricay instead of Saturday.
> > > > >
> > > > > --------
> > > > > Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> > > > > Cappy's Toy
> > > > > RV-8 N123Sg
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
The ones N and S of Ft. Stewart. Not a big deal to deviate, but if you have
info, pls share.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus Cooper [mailto:coop85(at)bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:28 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
>
> -->
>
> Larry,
> Which restricted areas in South Georgia are you
> referencing? I am at Moody AFB and might be able to provide
> more info if it's regarding R3008 or others close by to make
> your trips easier.
>
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
>
> -->
>
> What is your route? East of the restriced areas in GA and
> west of the restricted areas in FL?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:43 PM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
> >
> > -->
> >
> > I'm going to try to make it to Zephyr Hills where the gas is
> > $2.95 and will try to leave around 10 AM.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bill crothers
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > looks like meet at lancaster about 10 or 11. fly down
> > to alma and get gas/on to lal.
> >
> > --- Steve Glasgow wrote:
> >
> > > Glasgow"
> > >
> > > What time is everyone thinking about leaving on
> > > Friday.
> > >
> > > Lynnie and I have changed our plans and we are now
> > > leaving on Fricay instead of Saturday.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> > > Cappy's Toy
> > > RV-8 N123Sg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p2446#2446
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
I ran route (28a/amg/lal) thru aopa flt plnr..2:51 ete
at 150knots. no restricted areas/under one MOA. in LAL
BY 1:30-2:00 if we meet over Goose at 10. RR
--- Larry Bowen wrote:
> Bowen"
>
> Are we trying to go down as a single gaggle or pairs
> or what? Why stop at
> LKR, just as a common meeting ground? I'm tempted
> to keep going and pair
> up in the air...
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> Steve Glasgow said:
> Glasgow"
> >
> >
> > I'm going to try to make it to Zephyr Hills where
> the gas is $2.95 and
> > will try to leave around 10 AM.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bill crothers
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
> >
> >
> crothers
> >
> >
> > looks like meet at lancaster about 10 or 11.
> fly down
> > to alma and get gas/on to lal.
> >
> > --- Steve Glasgow
> wrote:
> >
> > > Glasgow"
> > >
> > > What time is everyone thinking about leaving
> on
> > > Friday.
> > >
> > > Lynnie and I have changed our plans and we are
> now
> > > leaving on Fricay instead of Saturday.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> > > Cappy's Toy
> > > RV-8 N123Sg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p2446#2446
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
Couple things....
1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so often
like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a radio
shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte Approach
make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is not
working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it fixed?
3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he needs
to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio and a
new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has no
contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't know
the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on either...... He
is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff. Any
ideas???
4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges keep
coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will have to
ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling could
fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek RV
squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas for it
but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have the
tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields if he
would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it out to
the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I would be
glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy fix,
and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I know he
is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract him....
Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what a
pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done thanks to
Ed Andersons tools and help.
Ron Awad
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
>
>
>
>Hi Ed,
>
>Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number of the
>engine.
>
>BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name for
>you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on. Oh
>well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
>
>See you in LAL my friend.
>
>Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Anderson
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>
>
>
>
> I have not as of this date, Dale
>
> Ed Anderson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> To:
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>
>
> >
> >
> > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the 6th and
> > last
> > issue of 2005?
> > Dale Ensing
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
My planned route is LKR, BNL, RVJ, AMG, GNV, ZPH, 2:48 min.
I need to get gas close to LAL because we plan to go on to Homestead on Saturday.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
The ones N and S of Ft. Stewart. Not a big deal to deviate, but if you have
info, pls share.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus Cooper [mailto:coop85(at)bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:28 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
>
> -->
>
> Larry,
> Which restricted areas in South Georgia are you
> referencing? I am at Moody AFB and might be able to provide
> more info if it's regarding R3008 or others close by to make
> your trips easier.
>
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
>
> -->
>
> What is your route? East of the restriced areas in GA and
> west of the restricted areas in FL?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:43 PM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
> >
> > -->
> >
> > I'm going to try to make it to Zephyr Hills where the gas is
> > $2.95 and will try to leave around 10 AM.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bill crothers
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > looks like meet at lancaster about 10 or 11. fly down
> > to alma and get gas/on to lal.
> >
> > --- Steve Glasgow wrote:
> >
> > > Glasgow"
> > >
> > > What time is everyone thinking about leaving on
> > > Friday.
> > >
> > > Lynnie and I have changed our plans and we are now
> > > leaving on Fricay instead of Saturday.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> > > Cappy's Toy
> > > RV-8 N123Sg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p2446#2446
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
tem 2...get a Valcom flip/flop and replace. radio
repairs are expensive vs. new Valcom. (I have one in
box) wiill advise px. if you care. bill
i
--- Ron and Shannon AWAD wrote:
> Shannon AWAD"
>
> Couple things....
>
> 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be
> checked every so often
> like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have
> to be done at a radio
> shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having
> say Charlotte Approach
> make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
>
> 2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up,
> and the .25 button is not
> working at all. What is the best, or easiest,
> cheapest way to get it fixed?
>
> 3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in
> my hangar and he needs
> to find someone to rework his panel and install a
> Icom flip flop radio and a
> new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from
> California and has no
> contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene
> here - and I don't know
> the first thing about where to get radio stuff
> worked on either...... He
> is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to
> install this stuff. Any
> ideas???
>
> 4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart.
> The piano hinges the
> builder used are too small or thin or installed
> incorrectly. The hinges keep
> coming apart and at this point there is not much of
> it left. I will have to
> ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear
> that the cowling could
> fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all
> of the Goose Creek RV
> squadron - have looked at it and we have come up
> with some fix ideas for it
> but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it
> and I don't have the
> tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested
> asking Eddie Shields if he
> would be interested in helping me fix it... I
> figured I would put it out to
> the whole group and see if anyone has some free time
> to help me - I would be
> glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a
> clever and easy fix,
> and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up
> on the offer as I know he
> is just about done with his bird and my problems
> would just distract him....
>
> Any help on any of this would be appreciated.
> Thanks to everyone who
> offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few
> days ago. Wow what a
> pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!!
> But got er done thanks to
> Ed Andersons tools and help.
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
> >
> Glasgow"
> >
> >
> >Hi Ed,
> >
> >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on
> the serial number of the
> >engine.
> >
> >BTW after the story of your last adventure I
> decided a good nick name for
> >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you
> turned the air on. Oh
> >well all is well that end well, even if you are
> Dusty.
> >
> >See you in LAL my friend.
> >
> >Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Anderson
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >
> >
> Anderson"
> >
> >
> > I have not as of this date, Dale
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >
> >
> Ensing"
> > >
> > >
> > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have
> you received the 6th and
> > > last
> > > issue of 2005?
> > > Dale Ensing
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it) you need
to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years. I just had mine
done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.
Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a problematic
unless you are an A&P.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
Couple things....
1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so often
like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a radio
shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte Approach
make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is not
working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it fixed?
3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he needs
to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio and a
new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has no
contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't know
the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on either...... He
is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff. Any
ideas???
4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges keep
coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will have to
ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling could
fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek RV
squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas for it
but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have the
tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields if he
would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it out to
the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I would be
glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy fix,
and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I know he
is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract him....
Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what a
pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done thanks to
Ed Andersons tools and help.
Ron Awad
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
>
>
>
>Hi Ed,
>
>Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number of the
>engine.
>
>BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name for
>you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on. Oh
>well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
>
>See you in LAL my friend.
>
>Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Anderson
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>
>
>
>
> I have not as of this date, Dale
>
> Ed Anderson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> To:
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>
>
> >
> >
> > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the 6th and
> > last
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> > Dale Ensing
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
Cappy's right, Ron. Shop around for the best price for a "VFR" transponder
check. The avionics shop at Ashenboro airport charges $65.
There is a local gent by name of Gary Wilson who does avionics work
reasonably. Keeps his workshop in the trunk of a Honda last I saw him. I
don't have his phone number but John Long or Bill Freeman may have it.
Might be one for your friend to contact about panel work.
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>
>
> If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it)
> you need to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years. I
> just had mine done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.
>
> Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a
> problematic unless you are an A&P.
>
> Cappy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>
>
>
>
> Couple things....
>
> 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so often
> like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a radio
> shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte Approach
> make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
>
> 2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is
> not
> working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it
> fixed?
>
> 3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he
> needs
> to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio
> and a
> new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has
> no
> contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't know
> the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on either......
> He
> is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff.
> Any
> ideas???
>
> 4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
> builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges
> keep
> coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will have
> to
> ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling could
> fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek RV
> squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas for
> it
> but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have the
> tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields if
> he
> would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it out
> to
> the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I would
> be
> glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy fix,
> and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I know
> he
> is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract
> him....
>
> Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
> offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what a
> pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done thanks
> to
> Ed Andersons tools and help.
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
> >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Ed,
> >
> >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number of
> the
> >engine.
> >
> >BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name
> for
> >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on. Oh
> >well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
> >
> >See you in LAL my friend.
> >
> >Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Anderson
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have not as of this date, Dale
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the 6th
> and
> > > last
> > > issue of 2005?
> > > Dale Ensing
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| From: | James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
Comments below ..
James
On 1/11/06, Ron and Shannon AWAD wrote:
>
> sawad13(at)msn.com>
>
> Couple things....
>
> 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so often
> like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a radio
> shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte Approach
> make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
Depending on where you fly. Certain airspace requires it. Aren't you
near/under Charlotte 30nm Mode C ?
2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is not
> working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it
> fixed?
Sometimes a plug in preplacement from E-Bay or somewhere. There are shops
that work on radios. I would call the folks at Rock Hill and see if they are
familiar.
3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he needs
> to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio and
> a
> new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has no
> contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't know
> the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on
> either...... He
> is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff.
> Any
> ideas???
He should look more closely a it. He **may** be able to do most of the work
himself after talking to a few people. The 1 or 2 things he cannot do will
then be easier to get done by "outside help". Does he belong to the locall
EAA Chapter??
4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
> builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges
> keep
> coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will have
> to
> ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling could
> fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek RV
> squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas for
> it
> but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have the
> tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields if
> he
> would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it out
> to
> the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I would
> be
> glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy fix,
> and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I know
> he
> is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract
> him....
Wendell over in Cheraw, SC (A&P, etc, etc) built a 4 and has worked on
several RVs I believe. That is a shop I would recommend for such work on a
4. If not try Frank (or John actually) at Camden, SC.
Hope this helps.
James
Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
> offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what a
> pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done thanks
> to
> Ed Andersons tools and help.
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
> >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Ed,
> >
> >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number of
> the
> >engine.
> >
> >BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name for
> >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on. Oh
> >well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
> >
> >See you in LAL my friend.
> >
> >Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Anderson
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have not as of this date, Dale
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the 6th
> and
> > > last
> > > issue of 2005?
> > > Dale Ensing
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
Steve, Where is twin lakes?
And please explain what you mean about working on the plane without being
the builder and not being a A&P. It is my understanding that Anyone can work
on a experimental airplane. They do not have to be the builder, or a A&P, or
the pilot, or the owner, etc...
. The only exceptions to that is for the Condition inspection once a year
which would have to be done by a A&P or the builder if he still holds the
repairmans certificate, And if any Major alterations were done, again it
would need to be signed off by one of those two.
Am I wrong on this?
Ron Awad
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:31:02 -0500
>
>
>
>If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it) you
>need to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years. I just
>had mine done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.
>
>Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a
>problematic unless you are an A&P.
>
>Cappy
>
>
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
Okay, thanks Ed. Yes to all, I am in the Charlotte Veil...... Wasn't sure
if the Xponder still had to be checked in a experimental, and had read
somewhere that in the experimental If you made radar contact with a
flight center and the altitude that showed you at and what your altimeter
was showing was the same, then all you had to do was make a log book entry
as owner of the plane and that was it. I wasn't buying that, so that is why
I asked. 65$ bucks for someone else to write what I already know in my
logbook isn't too bad... it is only money right! :)
Ron Awad
>From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:47:55 -0500
>
>
>
>Cappy's right, Ron. Shop around for the best price for a "VFR" transponder
>check. The avionics shop at Ashenboro airport charges $65.
>
>There is a local gent by name of Gary Wilson who does avionics work
>reasonably. Keeps his workshop in the trunk of a Honda last I saw him.
>I
>don't have his phone number but John Long or Bill Freeman may have it.
>Might be one for your friend to contact about panel work.
>
>
>Ed A
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:31 AM
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>
>
> >
> >
> > If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it)
> > you need to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years.
>I
> > just had mine done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.
> >
> > Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a
> > problematic unless you are an A&P.
> >
> > Cappy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron and Shannon AWAD
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Couple things....
> >
> > 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so
>often
> > like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a
>radio
> > shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte
>Approach
> > make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
> >
> > 2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button
>is
> > not
> > working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it
> > fixed?
> >
> > 3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he
> > needs
> > to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio
> > and a
> > new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has
> > no
> > contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't
>know
> > the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on either......
> > He
> > is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff.
> > Any
> > ideas???
> >
> > 4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges
>the
> > builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges
> > keep
> > coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will
>have
> > to
> > ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling
>could
> > fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek
>RV
> > squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas
>for
> > it
> > but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have
>the
> > tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields
>if
> > he
> > would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it
>out
> > to
> > the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I
>would
> > be
> > glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy
>fix,
> > and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I
>know
> > he
> > is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract
> > him....
> >
> > Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
> > offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what
>a
> > pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done
>thanks
> > to
> > Ed Andersons tools and help.
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Ed,
> > >
> > >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number
>of
> > the
> > >engine.
> > >
> > >BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name
> > for
> > >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on.
>Oh
> > >well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
> > >
> > >See you in LAL my friend.
> > >
> > >Cappy
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ed Anderson
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have not as of this date, Dale
> > >
> > > Ed Anderson
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the
>6th
> > and
> > > > last
> > > > issue of 2005?
> > > > Dale Ensing
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
James, the guy with the gyro in my hangar can't turn a screwdriver much less
remove his old radio and install the new one with all those wires behind the
panel. His old radio is small and square, and the new one is flat and wide,
so a new radio stack panel will have to be cut and installed.
As for Wendell. I am sure he does good work, but I called him twice and left
messages on his recorder, and called a third time and spoke with someone in
his shop who promissed Wendell would call me right back...... This was
MONTHS ago, and I am still waiting for him to call me back. That was for a
simple Prop balance. I wonder if he would ever call back on something more
involved like replacing the piano hinging on the cowling.
I was hoping to find one of the Builders here with a little spare time that
would be able to help me.
Ron Awad
>From: James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:54:04 -0500
>
>
>Comments below ..
>
>James
>
>
>On 1/11/06, Ron and Shannon AWAD wrote:
> >
> > sawad13(at)msn.com>
> >
> > Couple things....
> >
> > 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so
>often
> > like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a radio
> > shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte
>Approach
> > make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
>
>
>Depending on where you fly. Certain airspace requires it. Aren't you
>near/under Charlotte 30nm Mode C ?
>
>
>2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is
>not
> > working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it
> > fixed?
>
>
>Sometimes a plug in preplacement from E-Bay or somewhere. There are shops
>that work on radios. I would call the folks at Rock Hill and see if they
>are
>familiar.
>
>
>3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he needs
> > to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio
>and
> > a
> > new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has
>no
> > contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't
>know
> > the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on
> > either...... He
> > is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff.
> > Any
> > ideas???
>
>
>He should look more closely a it. He **may** be able to do most of the work
>himself after talking to a few people. The 1 or 2 things he cannot do will
>then be easier to get done by "outside help". Does he belong to the locall
>EAA Chapter??
>
>
>4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
> > builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges
> > keep
> > coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will have
> > to
> > ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling
>could
> > fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek
>RV
> > squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas for
> > it
> > but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have
>the
> > tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields if
> > he
> > would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it out
> > to
> > the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I
>would
> > be
> > glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy
>fix,
> > and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I
>know
> > he
> > is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract
> > him....
>
>
>Wendell over in Cheraw, SC (A&P, etc, etc) built a 4 and has worked on
>several RVs I believe. That is a shop I would recommend for such work on a
>4. If not try Frank (or John actually) at Camden, SC.
>
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>James
>
>Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
> > offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what
>a
> > pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done thanks
> > to
> > Ed Andersons tools and help.
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Ed,
> > >
> > >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number of
> > the
> > >engine.
> > >
> > >BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name
>for
> > >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on.
>Oh
> > >well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
> > >
> > >See you in LAL my friend.
> > >
> > >Cappy
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ed Anderson
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have not as of this date, Dale
> > >
> > > Ed Anderson
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >
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> > > >
> > > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the 6th
> > and
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>
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| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
Just for some clarification, the transponder check is required every 24
calendar months regardless of were you fly, if you are going to turn it on.
You are required, however, to have a transponder only in certain airspace.
(In Class C and B, above C and B, under B, in the 30 mile veil and 18,000msl
and above (Class A)). It is the same check whether you fly IFR or VFR. IFR
also requires a pitot-static/ Altimeter check every 24 months.
They grilled me on all this stuff when I took my CFI checkride the other
day.
Wayne8A
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06 |
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
Count me in on the new tail wheel design. Two please!! Seriously, if the
gentleman decides to manufacture these, I would be interested. And yes, I
will need two of them.
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Avionics - Gary Wilson |
Ron,
Have your friend with the gyro call Gary Wilson 704-786-4446 (found his
phone number) about the avionics work he wants done.
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>
>
> James, the guy with the gyro in my hangar can't turn a screwdriver much
> less
> remove his old radio and install the new one with all those wires behind
> the
> panel. His old radio is small and square, and the new one is flat and
> wide,
> so a new radio stack panel will have to be cut and installed.
>
>
> As for Wendell. I am sure he does good work, but I called him twice and
> left
> messages on his recorder, and called a third time and spoke with someone
> in
> his shop who promissed Wendell would call me right back...... This was
> MONTHS ago, and I am still waiting for him to call me back. That was for a
> simple Prop balance. I wonder if he would ever call back on something more
> involved like replacing the piano hinging on the cowling.
>
> I was hoping to find one of the Builders here with a little spare time
> that
> would be able to help me.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>>From: James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:54:04 -0500
>>
>>
>>Comments below ..
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>On 1/11/06, Ron and Shannon AWAD wrote:
>> >
>> > sawad13(at)msn.com>
>> >
>> > Couple things....
>> >
>> > 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so
>>often
>> > like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a
>> > radio
>> > shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte
>>Approach
>> > make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
>>
>>
>>Depending on where you fly. Certain airspace requires it. Aren't you
>>near/under Charlotte 30nm Mode C ?
>>
>>
>>2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is
>>not
>> > working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it
>> > fixed?
>>
>>
>>Sometimes a plug in preplacement from E-Bay or somewhere. There are shops
>>that work on radios. I would call the folks at Rock Hill and see if they
>>are
>>familiar.
>>
>>
>>3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he needs
>> > to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio
>>and
>> > a
>> > new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has
>>no
>> > contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't
>>know
>> > the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on
>> > either...... He
>> > is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff.
>> > Any
>> > ideas???
>>
>>
>>He should look more closely a it. He **may** be able to do most of the
>>work
>>himself after talking to a few people. The 1 or 2 things he cannot do will
>>then be easier to get done by "outside help". Does he belong to the locall
>>EAA Chapter??
>>
>>
>>4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
>> > builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges
>> > keep
>> > coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will
>> > have
>> > to
>> > ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling
>>could
>> > fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek
>>RV
>> > squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas
>> > for
>> > it
>> > but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have
>>the
>> > tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields
>> > if
>> > he
>> > would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it
>> > out
>> > to
>> > the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I
>>would
>> > be
>> > glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy
>>fix,
>> > and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I
>>know
>> > he
>> > is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract
>> > him....
>>
>>
>>
>>Wendell over in Cheraw, SC (A&P, etc, etc) built a 4 and has worked on
>>several RVs I believe. That is a shop I would recommend for such work on a
>>4. If not try Frank (or John actually) at Camden, SC.
>>
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>James
>>
>>Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
>> > offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what
>>a
>> > pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done
>> > thanks
>> > to
>> > Ed Andersons tools and help.
>> >
>> > Ron Awad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>> > >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> > >To:
>> > >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>> > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Hi Ed,
>> > >
>> > >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number
>> > >of
>> > the
>> > >engine.
>> > >
>> > >BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name
>>for
>> > >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on.
>>Oh
>> > >well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
>> > >
>> > >See you in LAL my friend.
>> > >
>> > >Cappy
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Ed Anderson
>> > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> > > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have not as of this date, Dale
>> > >
>> > > Ed Anderson
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>> > > To:
>> > > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the
>> > > 6th
>> > and
>> > > > last
>> > > > issue of 2005?
>> > > > Dale Ensing
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
Twin Lakes is 8A7 and is southwest of Winston.
It is my understanding that only the builder of an experimental aircraft can legally
work on that plane. The FAA gave me a Repairman Certificate for my airplane
only. If I sell it to you I can still work on it but not one that someone
else built. The scope of what can be done by the owner or other person and
not the builder may be somewhat limited. I don't know exactly what the limitations
are. I would caution everyone to be careful in this area.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
Steve, Where is twin lakes?
And please explain what you mean about working on the plane without being
the builder and not being a A&P. It is my understanding that Anyone can work
on a experimental airplane. They do not have to be the builder, or a A&P, or
the pilot, or the owner, etc...
. The only exceptions to that is for the Condition inspection once a year
which would have to be done by a A&P or the builder if he still holds the
repairmans certificate, And if any Major alterations were done, again it
would need to be signed off by one of those two.
Am I wrong on this?
Ron Awad
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:31:02 -0500
>
>
>
>If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it) you
>need to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years. I just
>had mine done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.
>
>Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a
>problematic unless you are an A&P.
>
>Cappy
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06 |
Will do Lee.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06
Count me in on the new tail wheel design. Two please!! Seriously, if the
gentleman decides to manufacture these, I would be interested. And yes, I
will need two of them.
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06 |
Lee don't you have a 4. Unless I'm wrong the tailwheel design is different. Why
2 are you planning on breaking one.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06
Count me in on the new tail wheel design. Two please!! Seriously, if the
gentleman decides to manufacture these, I would be interested. And yes, I
will need two of them.
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you sell
an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can only
be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
Inspection on only the designated airplane.
Dale Ensing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
Ron Awad
>From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>
>
>
>You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you
>sell
>an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can only
>be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
>The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
>Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>Dale Ensing
>
>
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Cappy stands corrected. However, I still feel it may be problematic in regards
to liability.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you sell
an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can only
be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
Inspection on only the designated airplane.
Dale Ensing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can add oil, and
air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or install an autopilot or build
a cooling plenum without the required credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman
cert or an A&P license, it's no different that what spam owners are allowed
to do as "owner maintenance."
My $.02
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
Ron Awad
>From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>
>
>
>You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you
>sell
>an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can only
>be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
>The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
>Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>Dale Ensing
>
>
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| From: | Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Nope. This has been covered ad nauseum elsewhere. Those rules only
apply to certificated aircraft. ANYONE can work on an experimental,
whether they're the builder or not; even rebuild the wing!
Only the annual condition inspection must be done by an A&P or the
original builder with a Repairman's Certificate. If the original
builder is not issued a repairman's certificate for some reason, he
can't do the inspection either.
Whether it's WISE for ANYONE to work on the plane is another matter.
Robbie Walker
Arr-Vee-Wanna-Bee
______________________________
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will
lose both, and deserve neither.
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On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:33 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can
> add oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
> install an autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
> credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license,
> it's no different that what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner
> maintenance."
>
> My $.02
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>> If you
>> sell
>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection
>> can only
>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>> Condition
>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>> Dale Ensing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when Eddie Shields weighs
in on it or someone provides a reference as to "elsewhere."
If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
Nope. This has been covered ad nauseum elsewhere. Those rules only
apply to certificated aircraft. ANYONE can work on an experimental,
whether they're the builder or not; even rebuild the wing!
Only the annual condition inspection must be done by an A&P or the
original builder with a Repairman's Certificate. If the original
builder is not issued a repairman's certificate for some reason, he
can't do the inspection either.
Whether it's WISE for ANYONE to work on the plane is another matter.
Robbie Walker
Arr-Vee-Wanna-Bee
______________________________
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will
lose both, and deserve neither.
-- Thomas Jefferson
On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:33 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can
> add oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
> install an autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
> credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license,
> it's no different that what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner
> maintenance."
>
> My $.02
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>> If you
>> sell
>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection
>> can only
>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>> Condition
>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>> Dale Ensing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Not only that, but you don't need a tailwheel, complex, or high-power
endorsement to operate an experimental (as long as you aren't
carrying any passengers)
FAR 61.31(k)(2)(iii)(B)
Robbie Walker
______________________________
That ideas should spread from one to another over the globe, for the
moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his
condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by
nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space,
without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in
which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of
confinement or exclusive appropriation.
Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.
-- Thomas Jefferson
On Jan 11, 2006, at 2:13 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when
> Eddie Shields weighs in on it or someone provides a reference as to
> "elsewhere."
>
> If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
> Nope. This has been covered ad nauseum elsewhere. Those rules only
> apply to certificated aircraft. ANYONE can work on an experimental,
> whether they're the builder or not; even rebuild the wing!
>
> Only the annual condition inspection must be done by an A&P or the
> original builder with a Repairman's Certificate. If the original
> builder is not issued a repairman's certificate for some reason, he
> can't do the inspection either.
>
> Whether it's WISE for ANYONE to work on the plane is another matter.
>
> Robbie Walker
> Arr-Vee-Wanna-Bee
> ______________________________
> A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will
> lose both, and deserve neither.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:33 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can
>> add oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
>> install an autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
>> credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license,
>> it's no different that what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner
>> maintenance."
>>
>> My $.02
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Awad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>> If you
>>> sell
>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection
>>> can only
>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>> A&P.
>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>> Condition
>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>> Dale Ensing
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Let me clarify, that I at least have a MORE SENSE than to try this, I
was just pointing out the differences between experimental and
certificated.
Personally the idea of trying to "learn by doing" something like
tailwheel operations or aerobatics scares the WILLIES outta me...
Weight Loss Update: 15 lbs and dropping, but I had a gout flare-up
last night so I've gotta get off the low carb long enough to get the
purines outta my system. Maybe I'll fit in a RV-7 instead of an 8?
Robbie Walker
______________________________
Microsoft programs are generally bug-free. If you visit the Microsoft
hotline, you'll literally have to wait weeks if not months until
someone calls in with a bug in one of our programs. 99.99% of calls
turn out to be user mistakes.... I know not a single less irrelevant
reason for an update than bugfixes. The reasons for updates are to
present more new features.
--Bill Gates
On Jan 11, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Robbie Walker wrote:
>
>
> Not only that, but you don't need a tailwheel, complex, or high-power
> endorsement to operate an experimental (as long as you aren't
> carrying any passengers)
>
> FAR 61.31(k)(2)(iii)(B)
>
> Robbie Walker
> ______________________________
> That ideas should spread from one to another over the globe, for the
> moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his
> condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by
> nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space,
> without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in
> which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of
> confinement or exclusive appropriation.
> Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2006, at 2:13 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when
>> Eddie Shields weighs in on it or someone provides a reference as to
>> "elsewhere."
>>
>> If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Nope. This has been covered ad nauseum elsewhere. Those rules only
>> apply to certificated aircraft. ANYONE can work on an experimental,
>> whether they're the builder or not; even rebuild the wing!
>>
>> Only the annual condition inspection must be done by an A&P or the
>> original builder with a Repairman's Certificate. If the original
>> builder is not issued a repairman's certificate for some reason, he
>> can't do the inspection either.
>>
>> Whether it's WISE for ANYONE to work on the plane is another matter.
>>
>> Robbie Walker
>> Arr-Vee-Wanna-Bee
>> ______________________________
>> A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will
>> lose both, and deserve neither.
>> -- Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:33 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can
>>> add oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
>>> install an autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
>>> credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license,
>>> it's no different that what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner
>>> maintenance."
>>>
>>> My $.02
>>>
>>> -Stormy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron Awad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>>> If you
>>>> sell
>>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection
>>>> can only
>>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>>> A&P.
>>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>>> Condition
>>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>>> Dale Ensing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when Eddie Shields weighs
in on it or someone provides a reference as to "elsewhere."
>
>If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
>
>-Stormy
>
It's the eaa's position. Call 'em up, or you can probably find it on the
members-only section of the web site.
Experimentals are all disasters waiting to happen; anyone can build
one......(thank God).
relevant political comments deleted
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
> sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when Eddie
>>Shields weighs in on it or someone provides a reference as to "elsewhere."
>>
>>If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>
> It's the eaa's position. Call 'em up, or you can probably find it on the
> members-only section of the web site.
>
> Experimentals are all disasters waiting to happen; anyone can build
> one......(thank God).
>
> relevant political comments deleted
>
> Charlie
>
Hey, Charlie
NOT just experimental, correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think anyone's
left one up there yet. GA, Military, Airliners, etc,. have all had their
disasters - so, we're just in good company {:>)
Heading down tomorrow to fly to the Lakeland Florida Wing RV flyin - get
your 7 built and come join us.
Best Regards
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
Ron:
The answer to your question about who can work on an experimental, anyone
can>>>>>with exception to the condition inspection that is required each year.
FAR Part 43 does not apply to an experimental home built. (with one
exception)
The operating limitations , which is a part of the Special Airworthiness
Certificate, (should be attached to it) outlines how and when the required
inspection is to be accomplished and by whom and how the inspection is signed
off.
Both should be in the aircraft at all times with the registration card.
I have recently seen an experimental aircraft logbook that was signed by the
words "annual , no issues". Well, that does NOT meet the rule in the
operating limitations issued to an experimental. These "annuals" were from 1993,
(there is no annual for an experimental, only a condition inspection every
year.) No legal inspection during all those years! Nobody knows who did it.SO,
it
was not a legal sign off for 12 years. Bet an insurance company would love to
see the operating limitations not adhered to, SO NO PAYOFF!
The limitations will state what shall be written after the inspection has
been completed and who can conduct a condition inspection.
A big misconception I see a lot is the operating limitations state how and
what must be inspected every year. That is FAR 43 appendix D.. This is the only
time FAR Part 43 applies to an experimental. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND everybody
review their respective operating limitations to see what is in there along
with FAR Part 43 appendix D. You might not be able to fly and conduct aerobatics
without the proper signoff in accordance with the statement in the operating
limitations. Best read it.
Also, read FAR Part 91.413 for the use of the ATC transponder(VFR). It
doesn't state experimentals are exempt. All transponders that are used in airspace
must also be inspected every 24 calendar months. Please keep in mind, FAR
Part 91.411 must also be complied with on all aircraft being used in IFR
conditions.
Contact Jerry Boyce at Rock Hill about your cowl, he just finished his RV8
cowl.
He has a hanger facing the runway across the runway from the FBO. He also
might be able to help in the sheetmetal work for your friend. Also there are
others there that may help.
Please keep in mind about radio repair, only certified avionics shops can
return a TSO'd unit to service within tolerances that are now required.
Gary Wilson is NOT a certified repairman or shop. He cannot certify any
transponders or systems in an aircraft.
If you or any others need more info on this please give me a call at work or
email me at work. You know where I am.
Hope this helps
Eddie
_Edwin.G.Shields(at)FAA.GOV_ (mailto:Edwin.G.Shields(at)FAA.GOV) (don't forget
the dots between the name)
PS: Come on down for a visit at our strip in York, we always have drinks in
the fridge. May be gone this Saturday picking up another project but will be
home Sunday and Monday. Debbie and me are working very hard now on my Swift.
We do have a complete sheetmetal shop here too.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
PS:
On the major repair or alteration question, you can do it, just takes an A&P
or the repairman for that aircraft to sign off a condition inspection every
year.
The only thing to remember on major alterations are you will need to check
the operating limitations on what to do when that is done. The newer operating
limitations now allow you to put the aircraft into a test period yourself and
then sign off the flight test yourself. The old operating limitations
required you to contact the FAA Flight Standards District Office prior to flying
the aircraft and they will put a test period and area restriction on the
aircraft. This change only happened about a year or so ago.
Eddie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
You jerkin' my chain, Charlie?
(You subscribed to the Federalist Patriot yet, my good man?)
I regret being wrong about the experimental tinkering issue, first because I regret
being wrong in general, and second because the same good reasons for limiting
owner maintenance's scope in factory aircraft applies by all logic to experimentals.
(Some rules are actually good to have.) That's all I meant.
Yes, thank God for the freedoms we do have left, and that the .gov doesn't feel
the need to protect us from every way we might hurt ourselves.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when Eddie Shields
weighs in on it or someone provides a reference as to "elsewhere."
>
>If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
>
>-Stormy
>
It's the eaa's position. Call 'em up, or you can probably find it on the
members-only section of the web site.
Experimentals are all disasters waiting to happen; anyone can build
one......(thank God).
relevant political comments deleted
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | radio work needed |
> Please keep in mind about radio repair, only certified avionics shops can
> return a TSO'd unit to service within tolerances that are now required.
> Gary Wilson is NOT a certified repairman or shop. He cannot certify any
> transponders or systems in an aircraft.
> If you or any others need more info on this please give me a call at work
> or
> email me at work. You know where I am.
> Hope this helps
> Eddie
> _Edwin.G.Shields(at)FAA.GOV_ (mailto:Edwin.G.Shields(at)FAA.GOV) (don't forget
> the dots between the name)
> PS: Come on down for a visit at our strip in York, we always have drinks
> in
> the fridge. May be gone this Saturday picking up another project but will
> be
> home Sunday and Monday. Debbie and me are working very hard now on my
> Swift.
> We do have a complete sheetmetal shop here too.
Hi Eddie, we met once when you were inspecting Mike Bics RV-4 at GooseCreek.
Since I recommended Gary Wilson (and I understood that Gary was not a
certified shop/repairman - nor has he ever conveyed any different impression
to me). However, the question is does that preclude him from say installing
a radio in an aircraft panel of an experimental aircraft?
Thanks
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> You jerkin' my chain, Charlie?
>
>(You subscribed to the Federalist Patriot yet, my good man?)
>
>I regret being wrong about the experimental tinkering issue, first because I regret
being wrong in general, and second because the same good reasons for limiting
owner maintenance's scope in factory aircraft applies by all logic to experimentals.
(Some rules are actually good to have.) That's all I meant.
>
>Yes, thank God for the freedoms we do have left, and that the .gov doesn't feel
the need to protect us from every way we might hurt ourselves.
>
>-Stormy
>
Yea, I'm yankin your chain. A little, anyway. My attitude about it is
that of all the ways I can think of to make dangerous mistakes, working
on a plane is the least likely way to hurt someone who isn't a voluntary
participant. Car wrecks frequently injure or kill folks outside the car,
but how often do you hear of a plane killing anyone who's not actually
aviating or riding at the time?
Now when it comes to being wrong, I don't care how many times you've
been wrong; I'm ahead on points. ;-)
I'm trying to read the FP thing, but so far it's looking too much like
the online version of Fox News, meaning the propaganda arm of the
neocons. It's a really frightening time when anyone who exercises their
constitutional right to disagree with our government is called a
traitor. This is one of the fundamental rights our founding fathers
risked their lives to insure.
Lots more, but the wrong forum. Want to take it off-line?
Wish I could make it to Lakeland this weekend, but I'm still fighting
the grandbaby-induced cold from Christmas & don't have the energy to fly.
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: radio work needed |
ED:
As I said before, anybody can work on an experimental. The radios are not
experimental that are used in ATC systems.But keep in mind, even if an antenna
of a transponder is removed, the entire certification of the transponder
system has to be recertified. Unfortunately that's the way the regs are stated.
Eddie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Good Morning,
Looks like Friday's AM departure will depend on how fast the Cold Front moves.
Is Stormy comming Friday or Saturday?
--------
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3216#3216
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: radio work needed |
Ok, thanks for the clarification Eddie.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: <WVSWIFT(at)aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: radio work needed
>
> ED:
> As I said before, anybody can work on an experimental. The radios are not
> experimental that are used in ATC systems.But keep in mind, even if an
> antenna
> of a transponder is removed, the entire certification of the transponder
> system has to be recertified. Unfortunately that's the way the regs are
> stated.
> Eddie
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Going to launch today, looks like good weather once the Fog blows off/lifts.
See you folks down at Lakeland, Cappy.
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:56 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Cold Front
>
>
> Good Morning,
>
> Looks like Friday's AM departure will depend on how fast the Cold Front
> moves. Is Stormy comming Friday or Saturday?
>
> --------
> Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> Cappy's Toy
> RV-8 N123SG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3216#3216
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Stormy I disagree
Ron Awad
>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
>
>
>I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can add
>oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or install an
>autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required credentials.
>IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no different that
>what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
>
>My $.02
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
>Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
> >From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
> >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you
> >sell
> >an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can
>only
> >be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
> >The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
> >Inspection on only the designated airplane.
> >Dale Ensing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Yeah I was waiting for this to be settled before I dropped that bombshell on
them Robbie!
Ron Awad
>From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:17:39 -0500
>
>
>
>Not only that, but you don't need a tailwheel, complex, or high-power
>endorsement to operate an experimental (as long as you aren't
>carrying any passengers)
>
>FAR 61.31(k)(2)(iii)(B)
>
>Robbie Walker
>______________________________
>That ideas should spread from one to another over the globe, for the
>moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his
>condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by
>nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space,
>without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in
>which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of
>confinement or exclusive appropriation.
>Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
>
>On Jan 11, 2006, at 2:13 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when
> > Eddie Shields weighs in on it or someone provides a reference as to
> > "elsewhere."
> >
> > If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nope. This has been covered ad nauseum elsewhere. Those rules only
> > apply to certificated aircraft. ANYONE can work on an experimental,
> > whether they're the builder or not; even rebuild the wing!
> >
> > Only the annual condition inspection must be done by an A&P or the
> > original builder with a Repairman's Certificate. If the original
> > builder is not issued a repairman's certificate for some reason, he
> > can't do the inspection either.
> >
> > Whether it's WISE for ANYONE to work on the plane is another matter.
> >
> > Robbie Walker
> > Arr-Vee-Wanna-Bee
> > ______________________________
> > A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will
> > lose both, and deserve neither.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:33 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can
> >> add oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
> >> install an autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
> >> credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license,
> >> it's no different that what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner
> >> maintenance."
> >>
> >> My $.02
> >>
> >> -Stormy
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
> >> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ron Awad
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> >>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >>> To:
> >>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
> >>> If you
> >>> sell
> >>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection
> >>> can only
> >>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
> >>> A&P.
> >>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
> >>> Condition
> >>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
> >>> Dale Ensing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
Thanks Eddie. That makes it pretty darn clear!!!
I will try to come by your place at York this weekend
Ron Awad
>From: WVSWIFT(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:47:37 EST
>
>
>Ron:
>The answer to your question about who can work on an experimental, anyone
>can>>>>>with exception to the condition inspection that is required each
>year.
>FAR Part 43 does not apply to an experimental home built. (with one
>exception)
>The operating limitations , which is a part of the Special Airworthiness
>Certificate, (should be attached to it) outlines how and when the required
>inspection is to be accomplished and by whom and how the inspection is
>signed off.
>Both should be in the aircraft at all times with the registration card.
>I have recently seen an experimental aircraft logbook that was signed by
>the
>words "annual , no issues". Well, that does NOT meet the rule in the
>operating limitations issued to an experimental. These "annuals" were from
>1993,
>(there is no annual for an experimental, only a condition inspection every
>year.) No legal inspection during all those years! Nobody knows who did
>it.SO, it
>was not a legal sign off for 12 years. Bet an insurance company would love
>to
>see the operating limitations not adhered to, SO NO PAYOFF!
>The limitations will state what shall be written after the inspection has
>been completed and who can conduct a condition inspection.
>A big misconception I see a lot is the operating limitations state how and
>what must be inspected every year. That is FAR 43 appendix D.. This is the
>only
> time FAR Part 43 applies to an experimental. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND everybody
>review their respective operating limitations to see what is in there
>along
>with FAR Part 43 appendix D. You might not be able to fly and conduct
>aerobatics
> without the proper signoff in accordance with the statement in the
>operating
> limitations. Best read it.
>
>Also, read FAR Part 91.413 for the use of the ATC transponder(VFR). It
>doesn't state experimentals are exempt. All transponders that are used in
>airspace
>must also be inspected every 24 calendar months. Please keep in mind, FAR
>Part 91.411 must also be complied with on all aircraft being used in IFR
>conditions.
>
>Contact Jerry Boyce at Rock Hill about your cowl, he just finished his RV8
>cowl.
>He has a hanger facing the runway across the runway from the FBO. He also
>might be able to help in the sheetmetal work for your friend. Also there
>are
>others there that may help.
>
>Please keep in mind about radio repair, only certified avionics shops can
>return a TSO'd unit to service within tolerances that are now required.
>Gary Wilson is NOT a certified repairman or shop. He cannot certify any
>transponders or systems in an aircraft.
>If you or any others need more info on this please give me a call at work
>or
>email me at work. You know where I am.
>Hope this helps
>Eddie
>_Edwin.G.Shields(at)FAA.GOV_ (mailto:Edwin.G.Shields(at)FAA.GOV) (don't forget
>the dots between the name)
>PS: Come on down for a visit at our strip in York, we always have drinks in
>the fridge. May be gone this Saturday picking up another project but will
>be
>home Sunday and Monday. Debbie and me are working very hard now on my
>Swift.
>We do have a complete sheetmetal shop here too.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
Thanks Eddie.
Ron Awad
>From: WVSWIFT(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:52:26 EST
>
>
>PS:
>On the major repair or alteration question, you can do it, just takes an
>A&P
>or the repairman for that aircraft to sign off a condition inspection
>every
>year.
>The only thing to remember on major alterations are you will need to check
>the operating limitations on what to do when that is done. The newer
>operating
>limitations now allow you to put the aircraft into a test period yourself
>and
> then sign off the flight test yourself. The old operating limitations
>required you to contact the FAA Flight Standards District Office prior to
>flying
>the aircraft and they will put a test period and area restriction on the
>aircraft. This change only happened about a year or so ago.
>Eddie
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Very pithy, Ron ;-)
After reading the preceeding comments from this morning, I am inclined to disagree
with myself, too. I take back all that I said, and admit that I was laboring
under a misconception. My $.02 was worth $0.00!
I am still not comfortable with any ol' yahoo being able to wrench on an experimental
plane, then carry passengers in said plane, and have no one check his
work until annual condition inspection time, at which point he might just take
his airframe logbook and checkbook to a restaurant for what we call around here
a "New London Special" (Eddie S. will know what I mean). In that case, his
workmanship is not only uninformed by any familiarity with the plane during construction,
but is never inspected by anyone, period (until the NTSB shows up).
One thing I did learn from all this is that I should get my op lims out of that
moldy envelope in the glove box and read whether I should have called the FSDO
about those autopilots last year and the new panel going in. I may need to
apply for new op lims; do I recall a discussion of this awhile back, with the
EAA offering to help (something to do with congested area overflights)? Fill
me in...
Best,
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
Stormy I disagree
Ron Awad
>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
>
>
>I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can add
>oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or install an
>autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required credentials.
>IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no different that
>what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
>
>My $.02
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
>Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
> >From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
> >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you
> >sell
> >an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can
>only
> >be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
> >The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
> >Inspection on only the designated airplane.
> >Dale Ensing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Let me add that I'd be okay with all this if an A&P sign-off was required before
returning the plane to service, vs. once a year, but that is obviously not the
case. Apparently a Repairman Cert is not especially useful or distinguishing
to its holder more than once per annum. I wonder if that was the original
intent.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
Stormy I disagree
Ron Awad
>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
>
>
>I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can add
>oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or install an
>autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required credentials.
>IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no different that
>what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
>
>My $.02
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
>Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
> >From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
> >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you
> >sell
> >an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can
>only
> >be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
> >The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
> >Inspection on only the designated airplane.
> >Dale Ensing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>Very pithy, Ron ;-)
>
>After reading the preceeding comments from this morning, I am inclined to disagree
with myself, too. I take back all that I said, and admit that I was laboring
under a misconception. My $.02 was worth $0.00!
>
>I am still not comfortable with any ol' yahoo being able to wrench on an experimental
plane, then carry passengers in said plane, and have no one check his
work until annual condition inspection time, at which point he might just take
his airframe logbook and checkbook to a restaurant for what we call around here
a "New London Special" (Eddie S. will know what I mean). In that case, his
workmanship is not only uninformed by any familiarity with the plane during
construction, but is never inspected by anyone, period (until the NTSB shows up).
>
>One thing I did learn from all this is that I should get my op lims out of that
moldy envelope in the glove box and read whether I should have called the FSDO
about those autopilots last year and the new panel going in. I may need to
apply for new op lims; do I recall a discussion of this awhile back, with the
EAA offering to help (something to do with congested area overflights)? Fill
me in...
>
>Best,
>
>-Stormy
>
I've 'upgraded' oplims on 2 different -4's that I didn't build. The 1st
was over 5 years ago, when the new rules came out allowing you to sign
off major alterations yourself. At that time, once you had the new
wording in hand (including a defined test area) you could make any major
change, make a log entry re-entering phase 1, fly 5 hours doing all
required tests (Ha...) and make another log entry returning the plane to
phase 2.
The 2nd was a couple of years ago, post 911 & the new wording is similar
but with a major difference: you must contact the FAA & get confirmation
that your defined test area is still acceptable. I was a bit ticked
about this change & asked 'Das Fed' on the RV-list about it & he said
that it was a nation-wide mandated change. Obviously, it's still a lot
better than the old oplims where there had to be a complete reissuance
of your paperwork any time there's a major change. If you haven't
changed an old oplim to reflect the self-sign-off features, you are
still obligated to go through all the old monkey motion. Odds are, most
FAA offices will issue the new oplims the 1st time you notify them of a
major mod just to cut down on their headaches in the future.
Anything that's not a minor mod (spelled out somewhere in the FAR's) is
a major mod. I would never point out that on an experimental a/c with no
log entries or photographic evidence proving it's original
configuration, changes are for all practical purposes undetectable.
Unless, of course, you log the update or it's something like a Trutrak
that wasn't available when the plane was 1st signed off. Props *don't*
fit this description because they almost always appear somewhere in the
paperwork. That's probably the easiest way for insurance companies to
not pay, since many, many owners neglect to notify the FAA when they
change props.
At the risk of sounding like a Libertarian, I feel the need to point out
that virtually all regulations, including FAA regulations, exist to
enable taxation or limit competition, rather than promote safety. Even
though I didn't build any of the experimentals I've owned, I'm confident
that I'm at least as qualified to inspect them as a typical a&p or ia,
because they've never touched an experimental. The same is true for less
common factory planes like the Swift. Most Swift owners know more about
their planes than the ia's that are available in their area, because the
ia's have never touched one. When I was 1/2 owner of a Swift, our ia
basically "P51'd" (Parker once made a pen with that identifier) any work
we did. If I bought Ed Anderson's RV-6A with a Mazda engine, which ia
should I call to maintain & inspect it?
I think my fever is breaking now, so maybe it's time to stop my rant. :-)
Have fun in Lakeland.
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 01/11/06 |
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
Ooooops! Maybe I let my alligator mouth overload my hummingbird
empennage!! I do have a -4. I was not aware the tail wheel on an -8 was
different from the one on the world renowned Recreational Vehicle.4!!! I
like the looks of the design though and was thinking I'd like one for my
(soon to arrive in kit form), F1 Rocket as well. If it will fit my RV.4
also, I'd like to try it out. I don't particularly like the stock
tailwheel I have now (it keeps making bad landings for some reason).
Regards,
Lee...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
I just checked TAF's enroute KHSP -> KLAL on Dan Chekoway's wx engine; what does
"LIFR" mean? It sure pops up alot in the route description for tomorrow.
I think it means "Stormy's not going to bother packing tonight, but I'll check
back in the morning in case a miracle occurred." ;-)
Oh, well, sometimes the cookies crumble.
Staying tuned,
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com |
"what does "LIFR" mean?"
LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
Mike
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 01/11/06 |
you coming to LAL? hope to seeya, bill
--- lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com wrote:
> lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com
>
> Ooooops! Maybe I let my alligator mouth overload my
> hummingbird
> empennage!! I do have a -4. I was not aware the
> tail wheel on an -8 was
> different from the one on the world renowned
> Recreational Vehicle.4!!! I
> like the looks of the design though and was thinking
> I'd like one for my
> (soon to arrive in kit form), F1 Rocket as well. If
> it will fit my RV.4
> also, I'd like to try it out. I don't particularly
> like the stock
> tailwheel I have now (it keeps making bad landings
> for some reason).
>
> Regards,
>
> Lee...
>
>
>
>
>
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> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Guys I certainly wasn't trying to start anything. When I "were
learnin'" about homebuilding I noticed this particular aspect of the
maintenance rules and it stuck with me. Certainly interesting stuff.
Stormy (who I don't think I've ever met...), I agree with you in
principle. One of the other lists I follow is the Quad-City
Challenger list. At one time I was considering that plane as a
"starter homebuilt". One of the more tragic stories related on that
list was of a dentist and his wife. Apparently this couple was as
nice & decent as you'd ever meet. The dentist was a very good stick
too. In an effort to increase the travel of his elevator he moved the
pivot attach to the other side of the elevator. With no mechanical
stop in the design, his modification allowed him (and his wife) to
take off, but they didn't survive the crash. The elevator "flipped"
over.
It seems pointless to discuss the merits of the idea after their
tragic death, but the lesson from this mistake is obvious.
NB: I've probably got the details of the story wrong, but the gist is
accurate and sobering.
Robbie Walker
______________________________
I can speak French but I cannot understand it.
-- Mark Twain
On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Let me add that I'd be okay with all this if an A&P sign-off was
> required before returning the plane to service, vs. once a year,
> but that is obviously not the case. Apparently a Repairman Cert is
> not especially useful or distinguishing to its holder more than
> once per annum. I wonder if that was the original intent.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
>
> Stormy I disagree
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>> From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
>>
>>
>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you
>> can add
>> oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or install an
>> autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required credentials.
>> IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no
>> different that
>> what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
>>
>> My $.02
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Awad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>> If you
>>> sell
>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition
>>> Inspection can
>> only
>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>> A&P.
>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>> Condition
>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>> Dale Ensing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy to learn that "personality" of
his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy" ... he knows what it means ...
Len
In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
"what does "LIFR" mean?"
LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Au contraire, Robbie; I have a Green Sea Fly-In certificate from you.
We've met; the pleasure was apparently all mine ;-)
Stormy / N30YD
-----Original Message-----
From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
Guys I certainly wasn't trying to start anything. When I "were
learnin'" about homebuilding I noticed this particular aspect of the
maintenance rules and it stuck with me. Certainly interesting stuff.
Stormy (who I don't think I've ever met...), I agree with you in
principle. One of the other lists I follow is the Quad-City
Challenger list. At one time I was considering that plane as a
"starter homebuilt". One of the more tragic stories related on that
list was of a dentist and his wife. Apparently this couple was as
nice & decent as you'd ever meet. The dentist was a very good stick
too. In an effort to increase the travel of his elevator he moved the
pivot attach to the other side of the elevator. With no mechanical
stop in the design, his modification allowed him (and his wife) to
take off, but they didn't survive the crash. The elevator "flipped"
over.
It seems pointless to discuss the merits of the idea after their
tragic death, but the lesson from this mistake is obvious.
NB: I've probably got the details of the story wrong, but the gist is
accurate and sobering.
Robbie Walker
______________________________
I can speak French but I cannot understand it.
-- Mark Twain
On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Let me add that I'd be okay with all this if an A&P sign-off was
> required before returning the plane to service, vs. once a year,
> but that is obviously not the case. Apparently a Repairman Cert is
> not especially useful or distinguishing to its holder more than
> once per annum. I wonder if that was the original intent.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
>
> Stormy I disagree
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>> From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
>>
>>
>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you
>> can add
>> oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or install an
>> autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required credentials.
>> IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no
>> different that
>> what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
>>
>> My $.02
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Awad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>> If you
>>> sell
>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition
>>> Inspection can
>> only
>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>> A&P.
>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>> Condition
>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>> Dale Ensing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Thanks, Mike. It was a rhetorical question. You're sweet to explain it, though
;-)
Like Cappy, I'm sleeping on the wx, but I'm considering myself "out" for now.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
"what does "LIFR" mean?"
LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
Mike
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Stormy, if you think about..... On our RV airplanes, they are not really all
that experimental. Other than a few like Ed Anderson who are "experimenting"
with auto engines, and some who try different cowl mods etc...
Our RV's are pretty much per plans and Most people - be it the pilot, the
owner, the mechanics, the passengers - they all can expect a certain
something of the plane. This is probably one reason insurance for a RV is
not too expensive.
But what if you or I decided to make our own plane from scratch. What if we
decided to power it with 4 Briggs lawnmower engines linked to turn one prop,
and we decided to make it a TriWing, and maybe we want to do some other
weird stuff like put both a nose wheel and a tailwheel and make the plane
able to use either depending on field and wind conditions. Maybe we decide
to make the plane out of molded plastic or half aluminum and half wood....
I could go on and on, but my point is that on " our " homemade plane there
is nothing that is a given about it and nothing about it is "certain" other
than we made it ourselves.
The beauty of Amauter build Experimental rules we have here in the USA is
that we could build a kit from Vans and have pretty much as good of a
airplane as any Cessna and have the flexibilty to do our own maintance and
annuals, plus do modifications as we see fit..... but we also have it good
in that we can truely experiment, even if it is not what you or I or the
engineers at Cessna thinks is safe.
As for passengers.... this is the reason for the words WARNING EXPERIMENTAL
in bold letters to be in plain view. This is a warning and any passenger-
and really any pilot- should take very seriously. I mean who in the world
would go to some fair or theme park and hop on a roller coaster someone
designed on a paper towel and had the words WARNING HOME BUILT EXPERIMENTAL
ROLLER COASTER ?????????? Not me!!!
Now up until a year or so ago the rules about flying a experimental were
even very loose. By this I mean that say that the rules were, any person
holding ANY pilot certificate rating higher than Glider - it could be
Rotorcraft, or Fixed Wing - could fly any type of Experimental..... AND
carry passengers, all without specific type requirements. Example, A person
with Airplane private pilot certificate Single engine land could legally go
out and buy or build a experimental Helicopter and fly it legally by himself
or with a passenger and legally he would not have to have any helicopter
endorsements, additional ratings, or even the first hour of helicopter
instruction.
Why would the rules allow for such madness???
It goes back to the intent of the whole class of being experimental. And it
makes it easy to experiment......
For example, what if you took your typical RV-6 airframe. To fly it as a
Certified plane you would need SEL airplane. If has a tailwheel so you would
also need a tailwheel endorsement. Then you "experiment" and add floats to
land it on the lake, so now you need a seaplane endorsement too. Later you
decide to boost the engines power to 230 hp so now you need a Hi performance
endorsement. After a year or two your bored so you come up with a plan to
add a pylon and you install a set of rotorblades above the thing so once you
takeoff you can fly it as a autogyro, this way you will never have to worry
about stalling while your flying slow over the lake. So now you need a
Rotorcraft / Gyroplane add-on to your certificate. Later you decide if you
power the rotors you could hover and this would allow you to land it and
takeoff from the small pond behind your house, so now you need to go and get
your helicopter add-on as well.................... Now is this a likely
thing, A RV-6 turned into a helicopter on floats? Probably never, but the
beauty of our laws is we got the freedom to do that, and the additional
freedom to do it without having to become over burdened with rules and regs
and so on to do it.
The laws are always changing and one day I would not be surprised to see
these freedoms taken away.
Already the laws have changed as far as carrying passengers go. If you want
to carry a passenger in a experimental aircraft today, you need the most
approriate rating for the type of aircraft it is. So if it is a Rotorway
Exec helicopter you will need a Private Pilot rating Rotorcraft/helicopter.
If it is a Vans RV-4 like mine, you will need a PP SEL with tailwheel
endorsement. YOU can still fly ANY experimental with ANY rating - airplane
pilot flying a helicopter for example - but only solo, no passengers without
specific type rating.
Ron Awad
>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:51:16 -0500
>
>
>Very pithy, Ron ;-)
>
>After reading the preceeding comments from this morning, I am inclined to
>disagree with myself, too. I take back all that I said, and admit that I
>was laboring under a misconception. My $.02 was worth $0.00!
>
>I am still not comfortable with any ol' yahoo being able to wrench on an
>experimental plane, then carry passengers in said plane, and have no one
>check his work until annual condition inspection time, at which point he
>might just take his airframe logbook and checkbook to a restaurant for what
>we call around here a "New London Special" (Eddie S. will know what I
>mean). In that case, his workmanship is not only uninformed by any
>familiarity with the plane during construction, but is never inspected by
>anyone, period (until the NTSB shows up).
>
>One thing I did learn from all this is that I should get my op lims out of
>that moldy envelope in the glove box and read whether I should have called
>the FSDO about those autopilots last year and the new panel going in. I
>may need to apply for new op lims; do I recall a discussion of this awhile
>back, with the EAA offering to help (something to do with congested area
>overflights)? Fill me in...
>
>Best,
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
>
>Stormy I disagree
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
> >From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
> >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
> >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
> >
> >
> >I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can add
> >oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or install an
> >autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required credentials.
> >IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no different that
> >what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
> >
> >My $.02
> >
> >-Stormy
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
> >To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
> >
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> >Ron Awad
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> > >From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
> > >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you
> > >sell
> > >an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can
> >only
> > >be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
> > >The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>Condition
> > >Inspection on only the designated airplane.
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
I can't really call it a "personality;" that might be a stretch ;-)
I've studied the METARs/TAFs and decided to stand down. I'm concerned about LIFR
enroute giving way to TSTMs by the time I'd reach SSI. Surprisingly the ground
fog has mostly gone already, but the sky was red at sunrise.
Everyone must make and live with their own call in these matters, but this forecast
violates my personal minimums. Hope anyone who launches has a great flight;
rest assured I'll be praying for whomever that might be, from the comfort
of my place :-)
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy to learn that "personality" of
his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy" ... he knows what it means ...
Len
In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
"what does "LIFR" mean?"
LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Points all well-taken, Ron. But don't be surprised if the warning label isn't
changed to say, "Warning: this aircraft is amateur built and does not comply with
federal safety regualtions. As far as we know, it is being maintained and
tinkered with by persons not involved in its construction and about whose qualifications
the FAA has no knowledge whatsoever, whose work is inspected just
once a year."
I'd be for such a change, and the people who engrave aircraft placards would probably
be gladdened as well ;-)
This has parallels in medicine, where we are now treated to Black Box Warnings
with dire pronouncements like, "This medication, while shown to help your ADHD
kid sit still, may also be helping him form a plan to act on the suicidal impulses
it has been shown to induce sometimes. Good luck, and keep an eye on him.
We warned you." (I am paraphrasing, of course.)
This revelation about carte-blanche modification of experimentals by non-certificated
individuals has both educated and disturbed me. My philosophy would be,
"if you want to experiment with it, be the builder or become the A&P." Don't
worry, though; I'm not likely to become the king of the world and get my way
in such matters.
Have a good day. I consider the thread fairly-well covered by now, at least from
my end.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
Stormy, if you think about..... On our RV airplanes, they are not really all
that experimental. Other than a few like Ed Anderson who are "experimenting"
with auto engines, and some who try different cowl mods etc...
Our RV's are pretty much per plans and Most people - be it the pilot, the
owner, the mechanics, the passengers - they all can expect a certain
something of the plane. This is probably one reason insurance for a RV is
not too expensive.
But what if you or I decided to make our own plane from scratch. What if we
decided to power it with 4 Briggs lawnmower engines linked to turn one prop,
and we decided to make it a TriWing, and maybe we want to do some other
weird stuff like put both a nose wheel and a tailwheel and make the plane
able to use either depending on field and wind conditions. Maybe we decide
to make the plane out of molded plastic or half aluminum and half wood....
I could go on and on, but my point is that on " our " homemade plane there
is nothing that is a given about it and nothing about it is "certain" other
than we made it ourselves.
The beauty of Amauter build Experimental rules we have here in the USA is
that we could build a kit from Vans and have pretty much as good of a
airplane as any Cessna and have the flexibilty to do our own maintance and
annuals, plus do modifications as we see fit..... but we also have it good
in that we can truely experiment, even if it is not what you or I or the
engineers at Cessna thinks is safe.
As for passengers.... this is the reason for the words WARNING EXPERIMENTAL
in bold letters to be in plain view. This is a warning and any passenger-
and really any pilot- should take very seriously. I mean who in the world
would go to some fair or theme park and hop on a roller coaster someone
designed on a paper towel and had the words WARNING HOME BUILT EXPERIMENTAL
ROLLER COASTER ?????????? Not me!!!
Now up until a year or so ago the rules about flying a experimental were
even very loose. By this I mean that say that the rules were, any person
holding ANY pilot certificate rating higher than Glider - it could be
Rotorcraft, or Fixed Wing - could fly any type of Experimental..... AND
carry passengers, all without specific type requirements. Example, A person
with Airplane private pilot certificate Single engine land could legally go
out and buy or build a experimental Helicopter and fly it legally by himself
or with a passenger and legally he would not have to have any helicopter
endorsements, additional ratings, or even the first hour of helicopter
instruction.
Why would the rules allow for such madness???
It goes back to the intent of the whole class of being experimental. And it
makes it easy to experiment......
For example, what if you took your typical RV-6 airframe. To fly it as a
Certified plane you would need SEL airplane. If has a tailwheel so you would
also need a tailwheel endorsement. Then you "experiment" and add floats to
land it on the lake, so now you need a seaplane endorsement too. Later you
decide to boost the engines power to 230 hp so now you need a Hi performance
endorsement. After a year or two your bored so you come up with a plan to
add a pylon and you install a set of rotorblades above the thing so once you
takeoff you can fly it as a autogyro, this way you will never have to worry
about stalling while your flying slow over the lake. So now you need a
Rotorcraft / Gyroplane add-on to your certificate. Later you decide if you
power the rotors you could hover and this would allow you to land it and
takeoff from the small pond behind your house, so now you need to go and get
your helicopter add-on as well.................... Now is this a likely
thing, A RV-6 turned into a helicopter on floats? Probably never, but the
beauty of our laws is we got the freedom to do that, and the additional
freedom to do it without having to become over burdened with rules and regs
and so on to do it.
The laws are always changing and one day I would not be surprised to see
these freedoms taken away.
Already the laws have changed as far as carrying passengers go. If you want
to carry a passenger in a experimental aircraft today, you need the most
approriate rating for the type of aircraft it is. So if it is a Rotorway
Exec helicopter you will need a Private Pilot rating Rotorcraft/helicopter.
If it is a Vans RV-4 like mine, you will need a PP SEL with tailwheel
endorsement. YOU can still fly ANY experimental with ANY rating - airplane
pilot flying a helicopter for example - but only solo, no passengers without
specific type rating.
Ron Awad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com |
Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy to learn that "personality" of
his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy" ... he knows what it means
...
Len
We've met. I was here at work in my serious mode and did not pick on
Stormy's "personality".
Hope that all have a great time. I was planning on going down, stopping at
LAL, then on to Sebring for the Sport Aviation weekend they are having,
then on to Lake Placid Sat. night to swap the RV8 for the 170. Sat. does
not look like a fun day for flying with the forecast winds. So, I have the
RV8 for another week or two. Gosh darn!!!!!!
Mike
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Don't blame you Stormy. It's the forecast for GNV and JAX that are bothering me.
Looks like you could get to Florida and then have to turn back and be stuck
out as far as getting back home. A day or more at some Podunk Airport may not
be fun.
It's still a close call.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
I can't really call it a "personality;" that might be a stretch ;-)
I've studied the METARs/TAFs and decided to stand down. I'm concerned about
LIFR enroute giving way to TSTMs by the time I'd reach SSI. Surprisingly the
ground fog has mostly gone already, but the sky was red at sunrise.
Everyone must make and live with their own call in these matters, but this forecast
violates my personal minimums. Hope anyone who launches has a great flight;
rest assured I'll be praying for whomever that might be, from the comfort
of my place :-)
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy to learn that "personality" of
his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy" ... he knows what it means ...
Len
In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
"what does "LIFR" mean?"
LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Just got a call from Ed Anderson in Florida and the LAL event has been postponed
till next week, due to weather. He is staying with the Cook's (people in charge
of event)
who have made the decision to postpone. Apparently, as well as today's weather
approaching LAL there is a bigger concern as to the weather in LAL on Saturday.
Anyway now we don't have to make a call on the WX. Unpack your bags and lets do
it next week.
Sunday looks like a good day to fly in CLT area. Any ideas.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
I can't really call it a "personality;" that might be a stretch ;-)
I've studied the METARs/TAFs and decided to stand down. I'm concerned about
LIFR enroute giving way to TSTMs by the time I'd reach SSI. Surprisingly the
ground fog has mostly gone already, but the sky was red at sunrise.
Everyone must make and live with their own call in these matters, but this forecast
violates my personal minimums. Hope anyone who launches has a great flight;
rest assured I'll be praying for whomever that might be, from the comfort
of my place :-)
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy to learn that "personality" of
his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy" ... he knows what it means ...
Len
In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
"what does "LIFR" mean?"
LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
OH! I didn't realize that was you, Bill! The N-Number did it for me.
Sorry for the confusion!
These "callsign" thing-a-majigs are SOOO CONFUSING! Is it the plane
or the pilot? Is it both? Does it depend?
Oh, and for the record, I call dibbs on "The High Road" for my
airplane's name. I'm going to paint the tail in my family tartan, and
have an airbrush guy put some sexist "highland wench" art on the nose.
What can I say? I'm a traditionalist!
Robbie Walker
______________________________
They are ill discoverers that think there is no land, when they can
see nothing but sea.
-- Sir Francis Bacon
On Jan 12, 2006, at 9:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Au contraire, Robbie; I have a Green Sea Fly-In certificate from you.
>
> We've met; the pleasure was apparently all mine ;-)
>
> Stormy / N30YD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
> Guys I certainly wasn't trying to start anything. When I "were
> learnin'" about homebuilding I noticed this particular aspect of the
> maintenance rules and it stuck with me. Certainly interesting stuff.
>
> Stormy (who I don't think I've ever met...), I agree with you in
> principle. One of the other lists I follow is the Quad-City
> Challenger list. At one time I was considering that plane as a
> "starter homebuilt". One of the more tragic stories related on that
> list was of a dentist and his wife. Apparently this couple was as
> nice & decent as you'd ever meet. The dentist was a very good stick
> too. In an effort to increase the travel of his elevator he moved the
> pivot attach to the other side of the elevator. With no mechanical
> stop in the design, his modification allowed him (and his wife) to
> take off, but they didn't survive the crash. The elevator "flipped"
> over.
>
> It seems pointless to discuss the merits of the idea after their
> tragic death, but the lesson from this mistake is obvious.
>
> NB: I've probably got the details of the story wrong, but the gist is
> accurate and sobering.
>
> Robbie Walker
> ______________________________
> I can speak French but I cannot understand it.
> -- Mark Twain
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Let me add that I'd be okay with all this if an A&P sign-off was
>> required before returning the plane to service, vs. once a year,
>> but that is obviously not the case. Apparently a Repairman Cert is
>> not especially useful or distinguishing to its holder more than
>> once per annum. I wonder if that was the original intent.
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Stormy I disagree
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Awad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you
>>> can add
>>> oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or install an
>>> autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
>>> credentials.
>>> IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no
>>> different that
>>> what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
>>>
>>> My $.02
>>>
>>> -Stormy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron Awad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>>> If you
>>>> sell
>>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition
>>>> Inspection can
>>> only
>>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>>> A&P.
>>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>>> Condition
>>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>>> Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Lakeland Cancelled |
Just got call from Bill Crothers who just received a call from Ed Anderson
who is down in Lakeland ... due to bad wx getting to Florida and T-storms
expected ... the fly in is postponed until next weekend.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Here is the official statement from Laura Cook:
Cappy
RV WEEKEND POSTPONED DUE TO INCOMING BAD WEATHER. RESCHEDULED FOR RAIN DATE OF
JANUARY 20/21/22 2005. PLEASE CALL 386-935-2973 WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
Unfortunately, It appears that Friday the 13th had shown its ugly side weather
wise. Despite favorable projections as recently as 24 hours previous, the most
recent projected weather for the Southeast, including Florida, includes a passing
cold front with associated severe weather. This front is bringing severe
thunderstorms, rain/hail and high wind. This front is forecast to cover NC,
GA, AL and parts of North Florida by Friday afternoon. It is forecast to pass
through Lakeland area 2 AM Saturday morning leaving clear, but cold and windy
(gusts to 30 mph) Saturday. Additionally, there is activity in the gulf that
appears will move onshore in the northern part of the state early this morning
and while not severe - will bring clouds and reduced visibility making problematic
any attempted flights from areas north of Florida early this morning
to "beat" the main cold front.
Regretfully, we have decided to cancel the activity schedule for this weekend and
revert to our "RAINDATE" OF 20, 21, 22 Jan (next weekend). Hopefully, this
means that many who would not have been able to reach Lakeland this weekend due
to the weather, will be able to make our rain date. Again, we truly regret
the timing of this notice, but would not want to entice anyone to brave these
conditions. See you next weekend.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
Just got a call from Ed Anderson in Florida and the LAL event has been postponed
till next week, due to weather. He is staying with the Cook's (people in
charge of event)
who have made the decision to postpone. Apparently, as well as today's weather
approaching LAL there is a bigger concern as to the weather in LAL on Saturday.
Anyway now we don't have to make a call on the WX. Unpack your bags and lets
do it next week.
Sunday looks like a good day to fly in CLT area. Any ideas.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
I can't really call it a "personality;" that might be a stretch ;-)
I've studied the METARs/TAFs and decided to stand down. I'm concerned about
LIFR enroute giving way to TSTMs by the time I'd reach SSI. Surprisingly the
ground fog has mostly gone already, but the sky was red at sunrise.
Everyone must make and live with their own call in these matters, but this
forecast violates my personal minimums. Hope anyone who launches has a great
flight; rest assured I'll be praying for whomever that might be, from the comfort
of my place :-)
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy to learn that "personality" of
his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy" ... he knows what it means
...
Len
In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
"what does "LIFR" mean?"
LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | FW: RV Weekend at LAKELAND POSTPONED - PLEASE READ |
FYI
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
_____
From: Laura Crook [mailto:laurarws(at)msn.com]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:43 AM
janjoyce(at)strato.net; smokyray(at)yahoo.com; RVKENROW(at)aol.com;
rvpilot(at)carbotech.com; bnjn(at)tampabay.rr.com; brumwellb; degrugger(at)yahoo.com;
nn2084j2(at)alltel.net; N76GC(at)svic.net; james(at)nextupventures.com;
eregensburg(at)triad.rr.com; bill28104(at)yahoo.com; N4455sp(at)comcast.net;
Larry(at)BowenAero.com; judithbetz(at)earthlink.net; ksheehan(at)cfl.rr.com
Cc: Tracy Crook; willfly(at)carolina.rr.com; Lorene Washburn
Subject: RV Weekend at LAKELAND POSTPONED - PLEASE READ
Importance: High
RV WEEKEND POSTPONED DUE TO INCOMING BAD WEATHER. RESCHEDULED FOR RAIN DATE
OF JANUARY 20/21/22 2005. PLEASE CALL 386-935-2973 WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
Unfortunately, It appears that Friday the 13th had shown its ugly side
weather wise. Despite favorable projections as recently as 24 hours
previous, the most recent projected weather for the Southeast, including
Florida, includes a passing cold front with associated severe weather. This
front is bringing severe thunderstorms, rain/hail and high wind. This
front is forecast to cover NC, GA, AL and parts of North Florida by Friday
afternoon. It is forecast to pass through Lakeland area 2 AM Saturday
morning leaving clear, but cold and windy (gusts to 30 mph) Saturday.
Additionally, there is activity in the gulf that appears will move onshore
in the northern part of the state early this morning and while not severe -
will bring clouds and reduced visibility making problematic any attempted
flights from areas north of Florida early this morning to "beat" the main
cold front.
Regretfully, we have decided to cancel the activity schedule for this
weekend and revert to our "RAINDATE" OF 20, 21, 22 Jan (next weekend).
Hopefully, this means that many who would not have been able to reach
Lakeland this weekend due to the weather, will be able to make our rain
date. Again, we truly regret the timing of this notice, but would not want
to entice anyone to brave these conditions. See you next weekend.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Rats. Oh well -- Makes the decision easy. I plan to have my plane in the
paint shop starting 1/16, so I'll miss next weekend. I'll just set my
sights on SNF in April.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:49 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
> -->
>
> Here is the official statement from Laura Cook:
>
> Cappy
>
> RV WEEKEND POSTPONED DUE TO INCOMING BAD WEATHER.
> RESCHEDULED FOR RAIN DATE OF JANUARY 20/21/22 2005. PLEASE
> CALL 386-935-2973 WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
>
> Unfortunately, It appears that Friday the 13th had shown its
> ugly side weather wise. Despite favorable projections as
> recently as 24 hours previous, the most recent projected
> weather for the Southeast, including Florida, includes a
> passing cold front with associated severe weather. This
> front is bringing severe thunderstorms, rain/hail and high
> wind. This front is forecast to cover NC, GA, AL and parts
> of North Florida by Friday afternoon. It is forecast to pass
> through Lakeland area 2 AM Saturday morning leaving clear,
> but cold and windy (gusts to 30 mph) Saturday. Additionally,
> there is activity in the gulf that appears will move onshore
> in the northern part of the state early this morning and
> while not severe - will bring clouds and reduced visibility
> making problematic any attempted flights from areas north of
> Florida early this morning to "beat" the main cold front.
>
> Regretfully, we have decided to cancel the activity schedule
> for this weekend and revert to our "RAINDATE" OF 20, 21, 22
> Jan (next weekend). Hopefully, this means that many who
> would not have been able to reach Lakeland this weekend due
> to the weather, will be able to make our rain date. Again, we
> truly regret the timing of this notice, but would not want to
> entice anyone to brave these conditions. See you next weekend.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Glasgow
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
>
>
>
> Just got a call from Ed Anderson in Florida and the LAL
> event has been postponed till next week, due to weather. He
> is staying with the Cook's (people in charge of event)
> who have made the decision to postpone. Apparently, as
> well as today's weather approaching LAL there is a bigger
> concern as to the weather in LAL on Saturday.
>
> Anyway now we don't have to make a call on the WX. Unpack
> your bags and lets do it next week.
>
> Sunday looks like a good day to fly in CLT area. Any ideas.
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:51 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
>
>
> I can't really call it a "personality;" that might be a
> stretch ;-)
>
> I've studied the METARs/TAFs and decided to stand down.
> I'm concerned about LIFR enroute giving way to TSTMs by the
> time I'd reach SSI. Surprisingly the ground fog has mostly
> gone already, but the sky was red at sunrise.
>
> Everyone must make and live with their own call in these
> matters, but this forecast violates my personal minimums.
> Hope anyone who launches has a great flight; rest assured
> I'll be praying for whomever that might be, from the comfort
> of my place :-)
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
>
>
>
> Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy to learn
> that "personality" of
> his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy" ... he
> knows what it means ...
>
> Len
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
>
> "what does "LIFR" mean?"
>
> LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
>
> Mike
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> Photoshare, and much much more:
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>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Do you need a ride home on 1/16?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: wx
Rats. Oh well -- Makes the decision easy. I plan to have my plane in the
paint shop starting 1/16, so I'll miss next weekend. I'll just set my
sights on SNF in April.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:49 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
> -->
>
> Here is the official statement from Laura Cook:
>
> Cappy
>
> RV WEEKEND POSTPONED DUE TO INCOMING BAD WEATHER.
> RESCHEDULED FOR RAIN DATE OF JANUARY 20/21/22 2005. PLEASE
> CALL 386-935-2973 WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
>
> Unfortunately, It appears that Friday the 13th had shown its
> ugly side weather wise. Despite favorable projections as
> recently as 24 hours previous, the most recent projected
> weather for the Southeast, including Florida, includes a
> passing cold front with associated severe weather. This
> front is bringing severe thunderstorms, rain/hail and high
> wind. This front is forecast to cover NC, GA, AL and parts
> of North Florida by Friday afternoon. It is forecast to pass
> through Lakeland area 2 AM Saturday morning leaving clear,
> but cold and windy (gusts to 30 mph) Saturday. Additionally,
> there is activity in the gulf that appears will move onshore
> in the northern part of the state early this morning and
> while not severe - will bring clouds and reduced visibility
> making problematic any attempted flights from areas north of
> Florida early this morning to "beat" the main cold front.
>
> Regretfully, we have decided to cancel the activity schedule
> for this weekend and revert to our "RAINDATE" OF 20, 21, 22
> Jan (next weekend). Hopefully, this means that many who
> would not have been able to reach Lakeland this weekend due
> to the weather, will be able to make our rain date. Again, we
> truly regret the timing of this notice, but would not want to
> entice anyone to brave these conditions. See you next weekend.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Glasgow
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
>
>
>
> Just got a call from Ed Anderson in Florida and the LAL
> event has been postponed till next week, due to weather. He
> is staying with the Cook's (people in charge of event)
> who have made the decision to postpone. Apparently, as
> well as today's weather approaching LAL there is a bigger
> concern as to the weather in LAL on Saturday.
>
> Anyway now we don't have to make a call on the WX. Unpack
> your bags and lets do it next week.
>
> Sunday looks like a good day to fly in CLT area. Any ideas.
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:51 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
>
>
> I can't really call it a "personality;" that might be a
> stretch ;-)
>
> I've studied the METARs/TAFs and decided to stand down.
> I'm concerned about LIFR enroute giving way to TSTMs by the
> time I'd reach SSI. Surprisingly the ground fog has mostly
> gone already, but the sky was red at sunrise.
>
> Everyone must make and live with their own call in these
> matters, but this forecast violates my personal minimums.
> Hope anyone who launches has a great flight; rest assured
> I'll be praying for whomever that might be, from the comfort
> of my place :-)
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
>
>
>
> Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy to learn
> that "personality" of
> his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy" ... he
> knows what it means ...
>
> Len
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
>
> "what does "LIFR" mean?"
>
> LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
>
> Mike
>
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> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
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>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
don't forget to cxl room...863-577-1170.
--- Larry Bowen wrote:
> Bowen"
>
> Rats. Oh well -- Makes the decision easy. I plan
> to have my plane in the
> paint shop starting 1/16, so I'll miss next weekend.
> I'll just set my
> sights on SNF in April.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Glasgow
> [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:49 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> Glasgow"
> > -->
> >
> > Here is the official statement from Laura Cook:
> >
> > Cappy
> >
> > RV WEEKEND POSTPONED DUE TO INCOMING BAD WEATHER.
>
> > RESCHEDULED FOR RAIN DATE OF JANUARY 20/21/22
> 2005. PLEASE
> > CALL 386-935-2973 WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
> >
> > Unfortunately, It appears that Friday the 13th had
> shown its
> > ugly side weather wise. Despite favorable
> projections as
> > recently as 24 hours previous, the most recent
> projected
> > weather for the Southeast, including Florida,
> includes a
> > passing cold front with associated severe weather.
> This
> > front is bringing severe thunderstorms, rain/hail
> and high
> > wind. This front is forecast to cover NC, GA, AL
> and parts
> > of North Florida by Friday afternoon. It is
> forecast to pass
> > through Lakeland area 2 AM Saturday morning
> leaving clear,
> > but cold and windy (gusts to 30 mph) Saturday.
> Additionally,
> > there is activity in the gulf that appears will
> move onshore
> > in the northern part of the state early this
> morning and
> > while not severe - will bring clouds and reduced
> visibility
> > making problematic any attempted flights from
> areas north of
> > Florida early this morning to "beat" the main
> cold front.
> >
> > Regretfully, we have decided to cancel the
> activity schedule
> > for this weekend and revert to our "RAINDATE" OF
> 20, 21, 22
> > Jan (next weekend). Hopefully, this means that
> many who
> > would not have been able to reach Lakeland this
> weekend due
> > to the weather, will be able to make our rain
> date. Again, we
> > truly regret the timing of this notice, but would
> not want to
> > entice anyone to brave these conditions. See you
> next weekend.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steve Glasgow
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> Glasgow"
> >
> >
> > Just got a call from Ed Anderson in Florida and
> the LAL
> > event has been postponed till next week, due to
> weather. He
> > is staying with the Cook's (people in charge of
> event)
> > who have made the decision to postpone.
> Apparently, as
> > well as today's weather approaching LAL there is a
> bigger
> > concern as to the weather in LAL on Saturday.
> >
> > Anyway now we don't have to make a call on the
> WX. Unpack
> > your bags and lets do it next week.
> >
> > Sunday looks like a good day to fly in CLT area.
> Any ideas.
> >
> > Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> sportav8r(at)aol.com
> >
> > I can't really call it a "personality;" that
> might be a
> > stretch ;-)
> >
> > I've studied the METARs/TAFs and decided to
> stand down.
> > I'm concerned about LIFR enroute giving way to
> TSTMs by the
> > time I'd reach SSI. Surprisingly the ground fog
> has mostly
> > gone already, but the sky was red at sunrise.
> >
> > Everyone must make and live with their own
> call in these
> > matters, but this forecast violates my personal
> minimums.
> > Hope anyone who launches has a great flight; rest
> assured
> > I'll be praying for whomever that might be, from
> the comfort
> > of my place :-)
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> Lenleg(at)aol.com
> >
> >
> > Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy
> to learn
> > that "personality" of
> > his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy"
> ... he
> > knows what it means ...
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M.
> Eastern Standard Time,
> > Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
> >
> > "what does "LIFR" mean?"
> >
> > LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1
> mile vis.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
=== message truncated ===
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Yes, thanks. What time is best for you?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:04 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
> -->
>
> Do you need a ride home on 1/16?
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:55 AM
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
>
>
>
> Rats. Oh well -- Makes the decision easy. I plan to have
> my plane in the
> paint shop starting 1/16, so I'll miss next weekend. I'll
> just set my
> sights on SNF in April.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:49 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> > -->
> >
> > Here is the official statement from Laura Cook:
> >
> > Cappy
> >
> > RV WEEKEND POSTPONED DUE TO INCOMING BAD WEATHER.
> > RESCHEDULED FOR RAIN DATE OF JANUARY 20/21/22 2005. PLEASE
> > CALL 386-935-2973 WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
> >
> > Unfortunately, It appears that Friday the 13th had shown its
> > ugly side weather wise. Despite favorable projections as
> > recently as 24 hours previous, the most recent projected
> > weather for the Southeast, including Florida, includes a
> > passing cold front with associated severe weather. This
> > front is bringing severe thunderstorms, rain/hail and high
> > wind. This front is forecast to cover NC, GA, AL and parts
> > of North Florida by Friday afternoon. It is forecast to pass
> > through Lakeland area 2 AM Saturday morning leaving clear,
> > but cold and windy (gusts to 30 mph) Saturday. Additionally,
> > there is activity in the gulf that appears will move onshore
> > in the northern part of the state early this morning and
> > while not severe - will bring clouds and reduced visibility
> > making problematic any attempted flights from areas north of
> > Florida early this morning to "beat" the main cold front.
> >
> > Regretfully, we have decided to cancel the activity schedule
> > for this weekend and revert to our "RAINDATE" OF 20, 21, 22
> > Jan (next weekend). Hopefully, this means that many who
> > would not have been able to reach Lakeland this weekend due
> > to the weather, will be able to make our rain date. Again, we
> > truly regret the timing of this notice, but would not want to
> > entice anyone to brave these conditions. See you next weekend.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steve Glasgow
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just got a call from Ed Anderson in Florida and the LAL
> > event has been postponed till next week, due to weather. He
> > is staying with the Cook's (people in charge of event)
> > who have made the decision to postpone. Apparently, as
> > well as today's weather approaching LAL there is a bigger
> > concern as to the weather in LAL on Saturday.
> >
> > Anyway now we don't have to make a call on the WX. Unpack
> > your bags and lets do it next week.
> >
> > Sunday looks like a good day to fly in CLT area. Any ideas.
> >
> > Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't really call it a "personality;" that might be a
> > stretch ;-)
> >
> > I've studied the METARs/TAFs and decided to stand down.
> > I'm concerned about LIFR enroute giving way to TSTMs by the
> > time I'd reach SSI. Surprisingly the ground fog has mostly
> > gone already, but the sky was red at sunrise.
> >
> > Everyone must make and live with their own call in these
> > matters, but this forecast violates my personal minimums.
> > Hope anyone who launches has a great flight; rest assured
> > I'll be praying for whomever that might be, from the comfort
> > of my place :-)
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy to learn
> > that "personality" of
> > his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy" ... he
> > knows what it means ...
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
> >
> > "what does "LIFR" mean?"
> >
> > LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
I'll bet you can find a ride to LAL w/o too much
trouble...Reno
--- Larry Bowen wrote:
> Bowen"
>
> Rats. Oh well -- Makes the decision easy. I plan
> to have my plane in the
> paint shop starting 1/16, so I'll miss next weekend.
> I'll just set my
> sights on SNF in April.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Glasgow
> [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:49 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> Glasgow"
> > -->
> >
> > Here is the official statement from Laura Cook:
> >
> > Cappy
> >
> > RV WEEKEND POSTPONED DUE TO INCOMING BAD WEATHER.
>
> > RESCHEDULED FOR RAIN DATE OF JANUARY 20/21/22
> 2005. PLEASE
> > CALL 386-935-2973 WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
> >
> > Unfortunately, It appears that Friday the 13th had
> shown its
> > ugly side weather wise. Despite favorable
> projections as
> > recently as 24 hours previous, the most recent
> projected
> > weather for the Southeast, including Florida,
> includes a
> > passing cold front with associated severe weather.
> This
> > front is bringing severe thunderstorms, rain/hail
> and high
> > wind. This front is forecast to cover NC, GA, AL
> and parts
> > of North Florida by Friday afternoon. It is
> forecast to pass
> > through Lakeland area 2 AM Saturday morning
> leaving clear,
> > but cold and windy (gusts to 30 mph) Saturday.
> Additionally,
> > there is activity in the gulf that appears will
> move onshore
> > in the northern part of the state early this
> morning and
> > while not severe - will bring clouds and reduced
> visibility
> > making problematic any attempted flights from
> areas north of
> > Florida early this morning to "beat" the main
> cold front.
> >
> > Regretfully, we have decided to cancel the
> activity schedule
> > for this weekend and revert to our "RAINDATE" OF
> 20, 21, 22
> > Jan (next weekend). Hopefully, this means that
> many who
> > would not have been able to reach Lakeland this
> weekend due
> > to the weather, will be able to make our rain
> date. Again, we
> > truly regret the timing of this notice, but would
> not want to
> > entice anyone to brave these conditions. See you
> next weekend.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steve Glasgow
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> Glasgow"
> >
> >
> > Just got a call from Ed Anderson in Florida and
> the LAL
> > event has been postponed till next week, due to
> weather. He
> > is staying with the Cook's (people in charge of
> event)
> > who have made the decision to postpone.
> Apparently, as
> > well as today's weather approaching LAL there is a
> bigger
> > concern as to the weather in LAL on Saturday.
> >
> > Anyway now we don't have to make a call on the
> WX. Unpack
> > your bags and lets do it next week.
> >
> > Sunday looks like a good day to fly in CLT area.
> Any ideas.
> >
> > Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> sportav8r(at)aol.com
> >
> > I can't really call it a "personality;" that
> might be a
> > stretch ;-)
> >
> > I've studied the METARs/TAFs and decided to
> stand down.
> > I'm concerned about LIFR enroute giving way to
> TSTMs by the
> > time I'd reach SSI. Surprisingly the ground fog
> has mostly
> > gone already, but the sky was red at sunrise.
> >
> > Everyone must make and live with their own
> call in these
> > matters, but this forecast violates my personal
> minimums.
> > Hope anyone who launches has a great flight; rest
> assured
> > I'll be praying for whomever that might be, from
> the comfort
> > of my place :-)
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> Lenleg(at)aol.com
> >
> >
> > Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy
> to learn
> > that "personality" of
> > his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy"
> ... he
> > knows what it means ...
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M.
> Eastern Standard Time,
> > Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
> >
> > "what does "LIFR" mean?"
> >
> > LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Stormy, I know some people that should not build a airplane.... In other
words If these people built a plane things would be pretty scary. Now
because they successfully built a plane and got a airworthiness certificate,
to me that does not automatically make them more qualified than someone who
hasn't ever built a airplane.
Onto A&P mechanics.... I have friends that are A&P mechanics who work for
the airlines. Not to say all airline mechanics are the same, but some of
those guys I know Know nothing about General aviation... Small planes....
Small engines.... Etc... etc.... etc....
I have also ran across a few A&P mechanics that were just plain half-assed.
Not to mention some that are dishonest and will make logbook entrys that
really shouldn't be made, etc....
The bottom line is experimental aircraft are not the same as factory
certified aircraft. Experimental by nature means there is more risk
involved, this is why insurance is somewhat more over a simular certified
counterpart... this is the reasoning behind the placards.... this is the
reasoning behind the test phases....etc...
I think as a whole, Experimental aircraft can be and are safe. Even with
these lax rules.
Some of the appeal of experimental is that it is cheaper to own and easier
to maintain.
Ron Awad
>From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:09:32 -0500
>
>
>Points all well-taken, Ron. But don't be surprised if the warning label
>isn't changed to say, "Warning: this aircraft is amateur built and does not
>comply with federal safety regualtions. As far as we know, it is being
>maintained and tinkered with by persons not involved in its construction
>and about whose qualifications the FAA has no knowledge whatsoever, whose
>work is inspected just once a year."
>
>I'd be for such a change, and the people who engrave aircraft placards
>would probably be gladdened as well ;-)
>
>This has parallels in medicine, where we are now treated to Black Box
>Warnings with dire pronouncements like, "This medication, while shown to
>help your ADHD kid sit still, may also be helping him form a plan to act on
>the suicidal impulses it has been shown to induce sometimes. Good luck,
>and keep an eye on him. We warned you." (I am paraphrasing, of course.)
>
>This revelation about carte-blanche modification of experimentals by
>non-certificated individuals has both educated and disturbed me. My
>philosophy would be, "if you want to experiment with it, be the builder or
>become the A&P." Don't worry, though; I'm not likely to become the king of
>the world and get my way in such matters.
>
>Have a good day. I consider the thread fairly-well covered by now, at
>least from my end.
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
>Stormy, if you think about..... On our RV airplanes, they are not really
>all
>that experimental. Other than a few like Ed Anderson who are
>"experimenting"
>with auto engines, and some who try different cowl mods etc...
>
>Our RV's are pretty much per plans and Most people - be it the pilot, the
>owner, the mechanics, the passengers - they all can expect a certain
>something of the plane. This is probably one reason insurance for a RV is
>not too expensive.
>
>But what if you or I decided to make our own plane from scratch. What if we
>decided to power it with 4 Briggs lawnmower engines linked to turn one
>prop,
>and we decided to make it a TriWing, and maybe we want to do some other
>weird stuff like put both a nose wheel and a tailwheel and make the plane
>able to use either depending on field and wind conditions. Maybe we decide
>to make the plane out of molded plastic or half aluminum and half wood....
>I could go on and on, but my point is that on " our " homemade plane there
>is nothing that is a given about it and nothing about it is "certain" other
>than we made it ourselves.
>
>The beauty of Amauter build Experimental rules we have here in the USA is
>that we could build a kit from Vans and have pretty much as good of a
>airplane as any Cessna and have the flexibilty to do our own maintance and
>annuals, plus do modifications as we see fit..... but we also have it good
>in that we can truely experiment, even if it is not what you or I or the
>engineers at Cessna thinks is safe.
>
>As for passengers.... this is the reason for the words WARNING EXPERIMENTAL
>in bold letters to be in plain view. This is a warning and any passenger-
>and really any pilot- should take very seriously. I mean who in the world
>would go to some fair or theme park and hop on a roller coaster someone
>designed on a paper towel and had the words WARNING HOME BUILT EXPERIMENTAL
>ROLLER COASTER ?????????? Not me!!!
>
>
>Now up until a year or so ago the rules about flying a experimental were
>even very loose. By this I mean that say that the rules were, any person
>holding ANY pilot certificate rating higher than Glider - it could be
>Rotorcraft, or Fixed Wing - could fly any type of Experimental..... AND
>carry passengers, all without specific type requirements. Example, A person
>with Airplane private pilot certificate Single engine land could legally
>go
>out and buy or build a experimental Helicopter and fly it legally by
>himself
>or with a passenger and legally he would not have to have any helicopter
>endorsements, additional ratings, or even the first hour of helicopter
>instruction.
>
>Why would the rules allow for such madness???
>
>It goes back to the intent of the whole class of being experimental. And it
>makes it easy to experiment......
>
>For example, what if you took your typical RV-6 airframe. To fly it as a
>Certified plane you would need SEL airplane. If has a tailwheel so you
>would
>also need a tailwheel endorsement. Then you "experiment" and add floats to
>land it on the lake, so now you need a seaplane endorsement too. Later you
>decide to boost the engines power to 230 hp so now you need a Hi
>performance
>endorsement. After a year or two your bored so you come up with a plan to
>add a pylon and you install a set of rotorblades above the thing so once
>you
>takeoff you can fly it as a autogyro, this way you will never have to worry
>about stalling while your flying slow over the lake. So now you need a
>Rotorcraft / Gyroplane add-on to your certificate. Later you decide if you
>power the rotors you could hover and this would allow you to land it and
>takeoff from the small pond behind your house, so now you need to go and
>get
>your helicopter add-on as well.................... Now is this a likely
>thing, A RV-6 turned into a helicopter on floats? Probably never, but the
>beauty of our laws is we got the freedom to do that, and the additional
>freedom to do it without having to become over burdened with rules and regs
>and so on to do it.
>
>The laws are always changing and one day I would not be surprised to see
>these freedoms taken away.
>
>Already the laws have changed as far as carrying passengers go. If you want
>to carry a passenger in a experimental aircraft today, you need the most
>approriate rating for the type of aircraft it is. So if it is a Rotorway
>Exec helicopter you will need a Private Pilot rating Rotorcraft/helicopter.
>If it is a Vans RV-4 like mine, you will need a PP SEL with tailwheel
>endorsement. YOU can still fly ANY experimental with ANY rating - airplane
>pilot flying a helicopter for example - but only solo, no passengers
>without
>specific type rating.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
The 16th is a Saturday for me. You pick the time you want me at RUQ.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: wx
Yes, thanks. What time is best for you?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:04 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
> -->
>
> Do you need a ride home on 1/16?
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:55 AM
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
>
>
>
> Rats. Oh well -- Makes the decision easy. I plan to have
> my plane in the
> paint shop starting 1/16, so I'll miss next weekend. I'll
> just set my
> sights on SNF in April.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:49 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> > -->
> >
> > Here is the official statement from Laura Cook:
> >
> > Cappy
> >
> > RV WEEKEND POSTPONED DUE TO INCOMING BAD WEATHER.
> > RESCHEDULED FOR RAIN DATE OF JANUARY 20/21/22 2005. PLEASE
> > CALL 386-935-2973 WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
> >
> > Unfortunately, It appears that Friday the 13th had shown its
> > ugly side weather wise. Despite favorable projections as
> > recently as 24 hours previous, the most recent projected
> > weather for the Southeast, including Florida, includes a
> > passing cold front with associated severe weather. This
> > front is bringing severe thunderstorms, rain/hail and high
> > wind. This front is forecast to cover NC, GA, AL and parts
> > of North Florida by Friday afternoon. It is forecast to pass
> > through Lakeland area 2 AM Saturday morning leaving clear,
> > but cold and windy (gusts to 30 mph) Saturday. Additionally,
> > there is activity in the gulf that appears will move onshore
> > in the northern part of the state early this morning and
> > while not severe - will bring clouds and reduced visibility
> > making problematic any attempted flights from areas north of
> > Florida early this morning to "beat" the main cold front.
> >
> > Regretfully, we have decided to cancel the activity schedule
> > for this weekend and revert to our "RAINDATE" OF 20, 21, 22
> > Jan (next weekend). Hopefully, this means that many who
> > would not have been able to reach Lakeland this weekend due
> > to the weather, will be able to make our rain date. Again, we
> > truly regret the timing of this notice, but would not want to
> > entice anyone to brave these conditions. See you next weekend.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steve Glasgow
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just got a call from Ed Anderson in Florida and the LAL
> > event has been postponed till next week, due to weather. He
> > is staying with the Cook's (people in charge of event)
> > who have made the decision to postpone. Apparently, as
> > well as today's weather approaching LAL there is a bigger
> > concern as to the weather in LAL on Saturday.
> >
> > Anyway now we don't have to make a call on the WX. Unpack
> > your bags and lets do it next week.
> >
> > Sunday looks like a good day to fly in CLT area. Any ideas.
> >
> > Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't really call it a "personality;" that might be a
> > stretch ;-)
> >
> > I've studied the METARs/TAFs and decided to stand down.
> > I'm concerned about LIFR enroute giving way to TSTMs by the
> > time I'd reach SSI. Surprisingly the ground fog has mostly
> > gone already, but the sky was red at sunrise.
> >
> > Everyone must make and live with their own call in these
> > matters, but this forecast violates my personal minimums.
> > Hope anyone who launches has a great flight; rest assured
> > I'll be praying for whomever that might be, from the comfort
> > of my place :-)
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike .. you are going to have to meet Stormy to learn
> > that "personality" of
> > his ... believe me with a handle like "Stormy" ... he
> > knows what it means ...
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:22:29 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > Mike.Munn(at)fluor.com writes:
> >
> > "what does "LIFR" mean?"
> >
> > LIFR is 500 ft or less ceiling and less than 1 mile vis.
> >
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| From: | "tadsargent" <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> |
Fellow flyers. I am at the point of needing to weight my 7A. Does anyone know
how to accomplish this and where to beg, borrow or steal adaquate scales.
Thanks
Tad
Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net
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| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
Jon Long at Goose Creek has fancy scales. Weight the plane down in his
hangar.
Ron Awad
>From: "tadsargent" <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:32:06 -0500
>
>
>
>Fellow flyers. I am at the point of needing to weight my 7A. Does anyone
>know how to accomplish this and where to beg, borrow or steal adaquate
>scales.
>Thanks
>Tad
>Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net
>
>
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lakeland Cancelled |
Probably a good call on their part. Hope Ed fares okay getting back.
Stormy is on call next weekend; maybe it's not too late to trade...
-BB
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland Cancelled
Just got call from Bill Crothers who just received a call from Ed Anderson
who is down in Lakeland ... due to bad wx getting to Florida and T-storms
expected ... the fly in is postponed until next weekend.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
Nice idea for a name, Robbie. I've entertained hundreds of possibilities for mine
over the years, but never painted anything on, so far. I'm thinking of "Rubbish"
or possibly "Triacle" for now. That second one should get you Googling
;-)
So far, though, the nose is devoid of art.
The callsign comes from my ability to jinx the wx for any event I plan to attend,
e.g. Lakeland this weekend.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
OH! I didn't realize that was you, Bill! The N-Number did it for me.
Sorry for the confusion!
These "callsign" thing-a-majigs are SOOO CONFUSING! Is it the plane
or the pilot? Is it both? Does it depend?
Oh, and for the record, I call dibbs on "The High Road" for my
airplane's name. I'm going to paint the tail in my family tartan, and
have an airbrush guy put some sexist "highland wench" art on the nose.
What can I say? I'm a traditionalist!
Robbie Walker
______________________________
They are ill discoverers that think there is no land, when they can
see nothing but sea.
-- Sir Francis Bacon
On Jan 12, 2006, at 9:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Au contraire, Robbie; I have a Green Sea Fly-In certificate from you.
>
> We've met; the pleasure was apparently all mine ;-)
>
> Stormy / N30YD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
> Guys I certainly wasn't trying to start anything. When I "were
> learnin'" about homebuilding I noticed this particular aspect of the
> maintenance rules and it stuck with me. Certainly interesting stuff.
>
> Stormy (who I don't think I've ever met...), I agree with you in
> principle. One of the other lists I follow is the Quad-City
> Challenger list. At one time I was considering that plane as a
> "starter homebuilt". One of the more tragic stories related on that
> list was of a dentist and his wife. Apparently this couple was as
> nice & decent as you'd ever meet. The dentist was a very good stick
> too. In an effort to increase the travel of his elevator he moved the
> pivot attach to the other side of the elevator. With no mechanical
> stop in the design, his modification allowed him (and his wife) to
> take off, but they didn't survive the crash. The elevator "flipped"
> over.
>
> It seems pointless to discuss the merits of the idea after their
> tragic death, but the lesson from this mistake is obvious.
>
> NB: I've probably got the details of the story wrong, but the gist is
> accurate and sobering.
>
> Robbie Walker
> ______________________________
> I can speak French but I cannot understand it.
> -- Mark Twain
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Let me add that I'd be okay with all this if an A&P sign-off was
>> required before returning the plane to service, vs. once a year,
>> but that is obviously not the case. Apparently a Repairman Cert is
>> not especially useful or distinguishing to its holder more than
>> once per annum. I wonder if that was the original intent.
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Stormy I disagree
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Awad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you
>>> can add
>>> oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or install an
>>> autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
>>> credentials.
>>> IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no
>>> different that
>>> what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
>>>
>>> My $.02
>>>
>>> -Stormy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron Awad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>>> If you
>>>> sell
>>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition
>>>> Inspection can
>>> only
>>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>>> A&P.
>>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>>> Condition
>>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>>> Dale Ensing
>>>>
>>>>
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| From: | Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
"A salve against some malady" is my attempt at a definition of
triacle after perusing the various (and quite limited) google
results. That reminds me of a local pharmacist who's license plate
(on his Porsche) reads "MYELAVIL"...
Perhaps some hillbilly witchdoctor has put a hex on you? My family
comes from Tellico Plains, TN and if your manse is similarly
ensconced, I wouldn't be surprised if you had a few living in the
immediate surroundings!
Sorry about Lakeland. Y'all have a good weekend anyway. I'm going to
the boat show in Myrtle Beach this weekend. My dad and I will be at
the in-water show at the new Grande Dunes marina on the waterway at
the north end of Myrtle Beach proper on Saturday morning. They have a
bunch of exhibits at the convention center too.
Robbie Walker
______________________________
Take everything you like seriously, except yourselves.
-- Rudyard Kipling
On Jan 13, 2006, at 11:40 AM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Nice idea for a name, Robbie. I've entertained hundreds of
> possibilities for mine over the years, but never painted anything
> on, so far. I'm thinking of "Rubbish" or possibly "Triacle" for
> now. That second one should get you Googling ;-)
>
> So far, though, the nose is devoid of art.
>
> The callsign comes from my ability to jinx the wx for any event I
> plan to attend, e.g. Lakeland this weekend.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
> OH! I didn't realize that was you, Bill! The N-Number did it for me.
> Sorry for the confusion!
> These "callsign" thing-a-majigs are SOOO CONFUSING! Is it the plane
> or the pilot? Is it both? Does it depend?
>
> Oh, and for the record, I call dibbs on "The High Road" for my
> airplane's name. I'm going to paint the tail in my family tartan, and
> have an airbrush guy put some sexist "highland wench" art on the nose.
>
> What can I say? I'm a traditionalist!
>
> Robbie Walker
> ______________________________
> They are ill discoverers that think there is no land, when they can
> see nothing but sea.
> -- Sir Francis Bacon
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2006, at 9:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Au contraire, Robbie; I have a Green Sea Fly-In certificate from you.
>>
>> We've met; the pleasure was apparently all mine ;-)
>>
>> Stormy / N30YD
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Guys I certainly wasn't trying to start anything. When I "were
>> learnin'" about homebuilding I noticed this particular aspect of the
>> maintenance rules and it stuck with me. Certainly interesting stuff.
>>
>> Stormy (who I don't think I've ever met...), I agree with you in
>> principle. One of the other lists I follow is the Quad-City
>> Challenger list. At one time I was considering that plane as a
>> "starter homebuilt". One of the more tragic stories related on that
>> list was of a dentist and his wife. Apparently this couple was as
>> nice & decent as you'd ever meet. The dentist was a very good stick
>> too. In an effort to increase the travel of his elevator he moved the
>> pivot attach to the other side of the elevator. With no mechanical
>> stop in the design, his modification allowed him (and his wife) to
>> take off, but they didn't survive the crash. The elevator "flipped"
>> over.
>>
>> It seems pointless to discuss the merits of the idea after their
>> tragic death, but the lesson from this mistake is obvious.
>>
>> NB: I've probably got the details of the story wrong, but the gist is
>> accurate and sobering.
>>
>> Robbie Walker
>> ______________________________
>> I can speak French but I cannot understand it.
>> -- Mark Twain
>>
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Let me add that I'd be okay with all this if an A&P sign-off was
>>> required before returning the plane to service, vs. once a year,
>>> but that is obviously not the case. Apparently a Repairman Cert is
>>> not especially useful or distinguishing to its holder more than
>>> once per annum. I wonder if that was the original intent.
>>>
>>> -Stormy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stormy I disagree
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron Awad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you
>>>> can add
>>>> oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
>>>> install an
>>>> autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
>>>> credentials.
>>>> IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no
>>>> different that
>>>> what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
>>>>
>>>> My $.02
>>>>
>>>> -Stormy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ron Awad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>>>> If you
>>>>> sell
>>>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition
>>>>> Inspection can
>>>> only
>>>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>>>> A&P.
>>>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>>>> Condition
>>>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>>>> Dale Ensing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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| From: | James Clark <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: thEast-List: |
Tad,
It is possible to do it with 5-6 bathroom scales.
We did our 6 with 5 (2 per main and 1 per tailwheel).
Recently I re-weighed it because a friend had some "racing" (NASCAR???)
scales on loan. Came out about the same (I filled the fuel tanks and
calculated that part of the weight for the "original" empty weight
measurement.
James
p.s. We even have a set you could borrow but I suspect it will be easier to
go to Wal-Mart and get some 300 lb each scales.
p.p.s. 2 per main with a
platform. Zero out the scales with platform or note weight. If you don't
trust them put on something of known weight for "calibration". Small ramp to
pull it up on scales. You should be less than 600 lbs per main and I would
hope less than 300 per nosegear.
On 1/13/06, tadsargent wrote:
>
> tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
>
> Fellow flyers. I am at the point of needing to weight my 7A. Does anyone
> know how to accomplish this and where to beg, borrow or steal adaquate
> scales.
> Thanks
> Tad
> Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/12/06 |
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
> you coming to LAL? hope to seeya, bill
I would love to Bill, but I have finally gotten someone to agree to meet me
Saturday am to do some much needed work on my apartment in Savannah.
Timing couldn't have been worse, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
May or may not fly to Sun n' Money in the spring either. I should have my
new F1 kit by then and may have to "truck" down to the Lakeland so I can
haul all the "goodies" I will need back to SC. If that changes, then we
should get together with James (and others) and join up again for the
flight down. Maybe James won't be so tough on my weak form flying skills
this time!! See you there, one way or another.
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: thEast-List: |
Ronnie Brown has the 309 scales and will lend them to you.
Carolina Avionics 704-630-0211 or 800-446-4294
Twin Lakes Avionics 336-998-6120
Mike Munn Work 704-553-3602
Cell 704-779-4167
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: tadsargent
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:32 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List:
Fellow flyers. I am at the point of needing to weight my 7A. Does anyone know
how to accomplish this and where to beg, borrow or steal adaquate scales.
Thanks
Tad
Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Let's plan on 4PM Monday. Will that work for you?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:20 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
> -->
>
> The 16th is a Saturday for me. You pick the time you want me at RUQ.
>
> Cappy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RUQ Paint |
Will you already be there and doing some prep work or just dropping Nifty off?
I can do 4PM but 3 PM will be much better so I can get home for dinner.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:02 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
Let's plan on 4PM Monday. Will that work for you?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:20 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
>
> -->
>
> The 16th is a Saturday for me. You pick the time you want me at RUQ.
>
> Cappy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Lakeland Cancelled |
In a message dated 1/13/2006 6:06:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sportav8r(at)aol.com writes:
Stormy is on call next weekend; maybe it's not too late to trade...
-BB
Len is out for next weekend also ... actually I am in Florida Tuesday -
Saturday ... arrive back from Florida Saturday morning via the big planes.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lakeland Cancelled |
Where in Florida?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland Cancelled
In a message dated 1/13/2006 6:06:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sportav8r(at)aol.com writes:
Stormy is on call next weekend; maybe it's not too late to trade...
-BB
Len is out for next weekend also ... actually I am in Florida Tuesday -
Saturday ... arrive back from Florida Saturday morning via the big planes.
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
OK no one is responding to the call for Sunday.
How about Blue Ridge (KMTV on Cincinnati Sectional) for a late lunch. How about
1 PM. Wives are welcome.
--------
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3786#3786
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
my jack arrived today, so you have aay to raise the
mains...Bill
--- tadsargent wrote:
>
>
> Fellow flyers. I am at the point of needing to
> weight my 7A. Does anyone know how to accomplish
> this and where to beg, borrow or steal adaquate
> scales.
> Thanks
> Tad
> Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | sportav8r(at)AOL.COM |
Aargh! I love it when you talk like a pirate, Bill; it shivers me timbers!
Hoist the mains, aye! Heave-ho.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
my jack arrived today, so you have aay to raise the
mains...Bill
--- tadsargent wrote:
>
>
> Fellow flyers. I am at the point of needing to
> weight my 7A. Does anyone know how to accomplish
> this and where to beg, borrow or steal adaquate
> scales.
> Thanks
> Tad
> Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
3 will be good. Not sure how it's going to work really. Never done this
before. I need to choose colors and may help get started on disassembly.
It's going to be tough leaving my first born with strangers and walking
away.......
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:54 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
>
> -->
>
> Will you already be there and doing some prep work or just
> dropping Nifty off?
>
> I can do 4PM but 3 PM will be much better so I can get home
> for dinner.
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:02 PM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
>
>
>
>
> Let's plan on 4PM Monday. Will that work for you?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:20 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> > -->
> >
> > The 16th is a Saturday for me. You pick the time you
> want me at RUQ.
> >
> > Cappy
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I might be up for that. I'll check in Sunday.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:30 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Sunday
>
> -->
>
> OK no one is responding to the call for Sunday.
>
> How about Blue Ridge (KMTV on Cincinnati Sectional) for a
> late lunch. How about 1 PM. Wives are welcome.
>
> --------
> Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> Cappy's Toy
> RV-8 N123SG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
My understanding is that, in medieval lore, triacle was the fabled universal cure
for everything. Perhaps it's similar to El Dorado and the Fountain of Youth.
MYELAVIL; I hear you ;-)
We've got rednecks aplenty here, very similar to hillbillies... you can't swing
a dead cat hereabouts without hittin' one.
Enjoy the boat show, and the time with your Dad - make that count.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
"A salve against some malady" is my attempt at a definition of
triacle after perusing the various (and quite limited) google
results. That reminds me of a local pharmacist who's license plate
(on his Porsche) reads "MYELAVIL"...
Perhaps some hillbilly witchdoctor has put a hex on you? My family
comes from Tellico Plains, TN and if your manse is similarly
ensconced, I wouldn't be surprised if you had a few living in the
immediate surroundings!
Sorry about Lakeland. Y'all have a good weekend anyway. I'm going to
the boat show in Myrtle Beach this weekend. My dad and I will be at
the in-water show at the new Grande Dunes marina on the waterway at
the north end of Myrtle Beach proper on Saturday morning. They have a
bunch of exhibits at the convention center too.
Robbie Walker
______________________________
Take everything you like seriously, except yourselves.
-- Rudyard Kipling
On Jan 13, 2006, at 11:40 AM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Nice idea for a name, Robbie. I've entertained hundreds of
> possibilities for mine over the years, but never painted anything
> on, so far. I'm thinking of "Rubbish" or possibly "Triacle" for
> now. That second one should get you Googling ;-)
>
> So far, though, the nose is devoid of art.
>
> The callsign comes from my ability to jinx the wx for any event I
> plan to attend, e.g. Lakeland this weekend.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
> OH! I didn't realize that was you, Bill! The N-Number did it for me.
> Sorry for the confusion!
> These "callsign" thing-a-majigs are SOOO CONFUSING! Is it the plane
> or the pilot? Is it both? Does it depend?
>
> Oh, and for the record, I call dibbs on "The High Road" for my
> airplane's name. I'm going to paint the tail in my family tartan, and
> have an airbrush guy put some sexist "highland wench" art on the nose.
>
> What can I say? I'm a traditionalist!
>
> Robbie Walker
> ______________________________
> They are ill discoverers that think there is no land, when they can
> see nothing but sea.
> -- Sir Francis Bacon
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2006, at 9:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Au contraire, Robbie; I have a Green Sea Fly-In certificate from you.
>>
>> We've met; the pleasure was apparently all mine ;-)
>>
>> Stormy / N30YD
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Guys I certainly wasn't trying to start anything. When I "were
>> learnin'" about homebuilding I noticed this particular aspect of the
>> maintenance rules and it stuck with me. Certainly interesting stuff.
>>
>> Stormy (who I don't think I've ever met...), I agree with you in
>> principle. One of the other lists I follow is the Quad-City
>> Challenger list. At one time I was considering that plane as a
>> "starter homebuilt". One of the more tragic stories related on that
>> list was of a dentist and his wife. Apparently this couple was as
>> nice & decent as you'd ever meet. The dentist was a very good stick
>> too. In an effort to increase the travel of his elevator he moved the
>> pivot attach to the other side of the elevator. With no mechanical
>> stop in the design, his modification allowed him (and his wife) to
>> take off, but they didn't survive the crash. The elevator "flipped"
>> over.
>>
>> It seems pointless to discuss the merits of the idea after their
>> tragic death, but the lesson from this mistake is obvious.
>>
>> NB: I've probably got the details of the story wrong, but the gist is
>> accurate and sobering.
>>
>> Robbie Walker
>> ______________________________
>> I can speak French but I cannot understand it.
>> -- Mark Twain
>>
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Let me add that I'd be okay with all this if an A&P sign-off was
>>> required before returning the plane to service, vs. once a year,
>>> but that is obviously not the case. Apparently a Repairman Cert is
>>> not especially useful or distinguishing to its holder more than
>>> once per annum. I wonder if that was the original intent.
>>>
>>> -Stormy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stormy I disagree
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron Awad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you
>>>> can add
>>>> oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
>>>> install an
>>>> autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
>>>> credentials.
>>>> IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no
>>>> different that
>>>> what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
>>>>
>>>> My $.02
>>>>
>>>> -Stormy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ron Awad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>>>> If you
>>>>> sell
>>>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition
>>>>> Inspection can
>>>> only
>>>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>>>> A&P.
>>>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>>>> Condition
>>>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>>>> Dale Ensing
>>>>>
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RUQ Paint |
OK, so we will plan to depart RUQ around 3 PM. I will probably come a little early
to hold your hand before you walk (fly) off on your first born.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
3 will be good. Not sure how it's going to work really. Never done this
before. I need to choose colors and may help get started on disassembly.
It's going to be tough leaving my first born with strangers and walking
away.......
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:54 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
>
> -->
>
> Will you already be there and doing some prep work or just
> dropping Nifty off?
>
> I can do 4PM but 3 PM will be much better so I can get home
> for dinner.
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:02 PM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
>
>
>
>
> Let's plan on 4PM Monday. Will that work for you?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly(at)carolina.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:20 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: wx
> >
> > -->
> >
> > The 16th is a Saturday for me. You pick the time you
> want me at RUQ.
> >
> > Cappy
>
>
>
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>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
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>
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| From: | "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)bellsouth.net> |
Larry,
I'm debating about having someone paint my RV-10. Could you post some
info about who is painting your machine so I can talk to them?
Thanks,
Marcus
________________________________________________________________________________
I am planning to fly on Sunday ... whether it is formation practice or lunch
at MTV ... I will be in the air ....
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
That would be fun. I have an annual business meeting at church that will make
it difficult to get to MTV within a reasonable lunchtime, but keep me posted if
you might be in the area afterwards where I can link up. That said, I need
to check sod condx after last night's big storm.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Sunday
I am planning to fly on Sunday ... whether it is formation practice or lunch
at MTV ... I will be in the air ....
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jordan Grant <gra9933(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Trying to finish RV-6 |
Everyone:
I have two problems one of you may be able to help me with.
Problem 1) I need to do the weight & balance on my RV-6 and I haven't
found a set of scales, yet. Does anyone know where I can borrow a
airplane scale in the Goldsboro, NC area?
Problem 2) I have an engine that is not running well. I have test run my
XP-360 twice, and both times it has run very rough at idle. It will quit
when I pull the throttle back below 1000 RPM. I have a constant speed
propeller, Airflow Performance fuel injection, Lightspeed Electronic
Ignition, and an impulse coupled mag on the left side. Its a brand new
engine built by Aerosport Power. When it starts, it has a puff of black
smoke and it sounds like its backfiring or something when it runs (loud
popping sounds). Runs about the same on the mag as the Lightspeed - but
fewer "popping" sounds on the Lightspeed. I am not very smart on
engines, so I'm not good at diagnosing the problem here. My going in
theory is that the Airflow Performance idle mixture adjustment is set
too rich - does this sound right for my symptoms?
Thanks if anyone can help - I sure appreciate it. I am about to deploy
to Southwest Asia for a few months, so I would really like to get this
airplane flying before I go!!
Jordan Grant
N198G, RV-6
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trying to finish RV-6 |
I can find some scales if you want to drive to Lake Norman, north of Charlotte.
Sorry can't help on the engine, I'm carburated.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: Jordan Grant
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Trying to finish RV-6
Everyone:
I have two problems one of you may be able to help me with.
Problem 1) I need to do the weight & balance on my RV-6 and I haven't
found a set of scales, yet. Does anyone know where I can borrow a
airplane scale in the Goldsboro, NC area?
Problem 2) I have an engine that is not running well. I have test run my
XP-360 twice, and both times it has run very rough at idle. It will quit
when I pull the throttle back below 1000 RPM. I have a constant speed
propeller, Airflow Performance fuel injection, Lightspeed Electronic
Ignition, and an impulse coupled mag on the left side. Its a brand new
engine built by Aerosport Power. When it starts, it has a puff of black
smoke and it sounds like its backfiring or something when it runs (loud
popping sounds). Runs about the same on the mag as the Lightspeed - but
fewer "popping" sounds on the Lightspeed. I am not very smart on
engines, so I'm not good at diagnosing the problem here. My going in
theory is that the Airflow Performance idle mixture adjustment is set
too rich - does this sound right for my symptoms?
Thanks if anyone can help - I sure appreciate it. I am about to deploy
to Southwest Asia for a few months, so I would really like to get this
airplane flying before I go!!
Jordan Grant
N198G, RV-6
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
So be there at 2 after we have all eaten.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sunday
That would be fun. I have an annual business meeting at church that will make
it difficult to get to MTV within a reasonable lunchtime, but keep me posted
if you might be in the area afterwards where I can link up. That said, I need
to check sod condx after last night's big storm.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Sunday
I am planning to fly on Sunday ... whether it is formation practice or lunch
at MTV ... I will be in the air ....
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
re: Dad... We work together. He's the general manager and I'm the
assistant manager of our printing plant. Usually when he's out doing
something I have to be at the office covering and vicee-versee...
It's actually pretty rare that we get to do anything non-work related
together, although we've both started working out together in the
mornings which is a nice change. We did catch a few nice Striped Bass
off of Kitty Hawk over Christmas, too.
No one who hasn't experienced it will ever understand the stress that
gets placed on a relationship by working together.
I left back in '98 and only came back to work here in '03 after my
"entrepreneur experiment" (it's a REAL long, sad story! ). By
that time I'd had a lot of the arrogance of youth beaten out of me
and dad was a lot more mellow, so we get along great now.
He's looking at retirement in a few years so I'm working my rear off
trying to prepare to be as good at his job as I am at mine...
He's promised to go flying with me when I get my plane built...
re: Rednecks. My mom just got back from the Appalachians. Her family
is from Tellico Plains, TN very near the NC/SC/TN corner. Eric
Rudolph territory.
Robbie Walker
______________________________
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board.
-- Mark Twain
On Jan 13, 2006, at 11:32 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> My understanding is that, in medieval lore, triacle was the fabled
> universal cure for everything. Perhaps it's similar to El Dorado
> and the Fountain of Youth.
>
> MYELAVIL; I hear you ;-)
>
> We've got rednecks aplenty here, very similar to hillbillies... you
> can't swing a dead cat hereabouts without hittin' one.
>
> Enjoy the boat show, and the time with your Dad - make that count.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
>
>
> "A salve against some malady" is my attempt at a definition of
> triacle after perusing the various (and quite limited) google
> results. That reminds me of a local pharmacist who's license plate
> (on his Porsche) reads "MYELAVIL"...
>
> Perhaps some hillbilly witchdoctor has put a hex on you? My family
> comes from Tellico Plains, TN and if your manse is similarly
> ensconced, I wouldn't be surprised if you had a few living in the
> immediate surroundings!
>
> Sorry about Lakeland. Y'all have a good weekend anyway. I'm going to
> the boat show in Myrtle Beach this weekend. My dad and I will be at
> the in-water show at the new Grande Dunes marina on the waterway at
> the north end of Myrtle Beach proper on Saturday morning. They have a
> bunch of exhibits at the convention center too.
>
> Robbie Walker
> ______________________________
> Take everything you like seriously, except yourselves.
> -- Rudyard Kipling
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2006, at 11:40 AM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Nice idea for a name, Robbie. I've entertained hundreds of
>> possibilities for mine over the years, but never painted anything
>> on, so far. I'm thinking of "Rubbish" or possibly "Triacle" for
>> now. That second one should get you Googling ;-)
>>
>> So far, though, the nose is devoid of art.
>>
>> The callsign comes from my ability to jinx the wx for any event I
>> plan to attend, e.g. Lakeland this weekend.
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> OH! I didn't realize that was you, Bill! The N-Number did it for me.
>> Sorry for the confusion!
>> These "callsign" thing-a-majigs are SOOO CONFUSING! Is it the plane
>> or the pilot? Is it both? Does it depend?
>>
>> Oh, and for the record, I call dibbs on "The High Road" for my
>> airplane's name. I'm going to paint the tail in my family tartan, and
>> have an airbrush guy put some sexist "highland wench" art on the
>> nose.
>>
>> What can I say? I'm a traditionalist!
>>
>> Robbie Walker
>> ______________________________
>> They are ill discoverers that think there is no land, when they can
>> see nothing but sea.
>> -- Sir Francis Bacon
>>
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2006, at 9:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Au contraire, Robbie; I have a Green Sea Fly-In certificate from
>>> you.
>>>
>>> We've met; the pleasure was apparently all mine ;-)
>>>
>>> Stormy / N30YD
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys I certainly wasn't trying to start anything. When I "were
>>> learnin'" about homebuilding I noticed this particular aspect of the
>>> maintenance rules and it stuck with me. Certainly interesting stuff.
>>>
>>> Stormy (who I don't think I've ever met...), I agree with you in
>>> principle. One of the other lists I follow is the Quad-City
>>> Challenger list. At one time I was considering that plane as a
>>> "starter homebuilt". One of the more tragic stories related on that
>>> list was of a dentist and his wife. Apparently this couple was as
>>> nice & decent as you'd ever meet. The dentist was a very good stick
>>> too. In an effort to increase the travel of his elevator he moved
>>> the
>>> pivot attach to the other side of the elevator. With no mechanical
>>> stop in the design, his modification allowed him (and his wife) to
>>> take off, but they didn't survive the crash. The elevator "flipped"
>>> over.
>>>
>>> It seems pointless to discuss the merits of the idea after their
>>> tragic death, but the lesson from this mistake is obvious.
>>>
>>> NB: I've probably got the details of the story wrong, but the
>>> gist is
>>> accurate and sobering.
>>>
>>> Robbie Walker
>>> ______________________________
>>> I can speak French but I cannot understand it.
>>> -- Mark Twain
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:55 PM, sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me add that I'd be okay with all this if an A&P sign-off was
>>>> required before returning the plane to service, vs. once a year,
>>>> but that is obviously not the case. Apparently a Repairman Cert is
>>>> not especially useful or distinguishing to its holder more than
>>>> once per annum. I wonder if that was the original intent.
>>>>
>>>> -Stormy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stormy I disagree
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ron Awad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
>>>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:33:17 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you
>>>>> can add
>>>>> oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
>>>>> install an
>>>>> autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
>>>>> credentials.
>>>>> IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license, it's no
>>>>> different that
>>>>> what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner maintenance."
>>>>>
>>>>> My $.02
>>>>>
>>>>> -Stormy
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13(at)msn.com>
>>>>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Awad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>>>>> If you
>>>>>> sell
>>>>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition
>>>>>> Inspection can
>>>>> only
>>>>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>>>>> A&P.
>>>>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>>>>> Condition
>>>>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>>>>> Dale Ensing
>>>>>>
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South Carolina Breakfast Club breakfast Sunday at Lancaster, SC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I'll be using these guys at RUQ:
http://www.aircraftpaintingandinteriors.com/
http://www.aircraftpaintschemes.com/paint_shop_locator_detail.asp?ShopID=212
When I visited the shop mid December there were probably 15 people busily
working on two aircraft. Ken Silverman is the owner and seems to be eager
to do an RV. There is an AI on staff, former US Air mechanic. He be doing
the disassembly/assembly. I have high hopes...
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus Cooper [mailto:coop85(at)bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:51 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
>
> -->
>
> Larry,
> I'm debating about having someone paint my RV-10. Could
> you post some info about who is painting your machine so I
> can talk to them?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "l-fussell" <l-fussell(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RUQ Paint |
Marcus,
The shop I am using is Tri-d located in Elmore AL near Montgomery. I have
seen both their paint and interior work both are excellent. Here is the
Site: www.tri-d.us
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
>
>
> Larry,
> I'm debating about having someone paint my RV-10. Could you post some
> info about who is painting your machine so I can talk to them?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
That's a possibility, if the runway dries overnight. Right now it's making a sucking
sound when I walk to and fro upon it :-) I've had near-loss of directional
control when pushing the envelope of runway firmness; it ain't pretty.
Anyway, I'm having fun designing my electrical system on Excel tonight, and reading
by the fireside about How to Fly IFR...
-Stormy
visions of glass cockpits ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sunday
So be there at 2 after we have all eaten.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: sportav8r(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sunday
That would be fun. I have an annual business meeting at church that will make
it difficult to get to MTV within a reasonable lunchtime, but keep me posted if
you might be in the area afterwards where I can link up. That said, I need to
check sod condx after last night's big storm.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Sunday
I am planning to fly on Sunday ... whether it is formation practice or lunch
at MTV ... I will be in the air ....
Len
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
I hope I get to hear your story sometime; we've all got one (or two or three).
I saw some of those difficulties coming a long way off and decided, after following
very reluctantly and belatedly on the same career path as my Dad, not to
continue my training in the same town where he was in practice, and not to join
his group when I got finished. It was hard for alot of people to understand
why I didn't take that opportunity when it came my way, but we're all glad now
that he's retired and we are able to live in the country literally next door
on the farm.
-Stormy
time to clip this message; it's dragging ten pages of quotes behind it :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
re: Dad... We work together. He's the general manager and I'm the
assistant manager of our printing plant. Usually when he's out doing
something I have to be at the office covering and vicee-versee...
It's actually pretty rare that we get to do anything non-work related
together, although we've both started working out together in the
mornings which is a nice change. We did catch a few nice Striped Bass
off of Kitty Hawk over Christmas, too.
No one who hasn't experienced it will ever understand the stress that
gets placed on a relationship by working together.
I left back in '98 and only came back to work here in '03 after my
"entrepreneur experiment" (it's a REAL long, sad story! ). By
that time I'd had a lot of the arrogance of youth beaten out of me
and dad was a lot more mellow, so we get along great now.
He's looking at retirement in a few years so I'm working my rear off
trying to prepare to be as good at his job as I am at mine...
He's promised to go flying with me when I get my plane built...
re: Rednecks. My mom just got back from the Appalachians. Her family
is from Tellico Plains, TN very near the NC/SC/TN corner. Eric
Rudolph territory.
Robbie Walker
______________________________
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board.
-- Mark Twain
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)bellsouth.net> |
Thanks for both of the contacts, I'll check them out. I'll probably have
to paint it myself, but it sure would be nice to avoid that. My previous
experiences were mediocre at best.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of l-fussell
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
Marcus,
The shop I am using is Tri-d located in Elmore AL near Montgomery. I have
seen both their paint and interior work both are excellent. Here is the
Site: www.tri-d.us
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
>
>
> Larry,
> I'm debating about having someone paint my RV-10. Could you post some
> info about who is painting your machine so I can talk to them?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
The owner of the RUQ shop mentioned on one of the lists that RV-10 painting
would start at around 12k...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of l-fussell
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
Marcus,
The shop I am using is Tri-d located in Elmore AL near Montgomery. I have
seen both their paint and interior work both are excellent. Here is the
Site: www.tri-d.us
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
>
>
> Larry,
> I'm debating about having someone paint my RV-10. Could you post some
> info about who is painting your machine so I can talk to them?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
>
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| From: | "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)bellsouth.net> |
In case anyone else is looking for a paint shop, I received the following
e-mail from GLO Paint who advertises on the Vans Air Force website:
Hello Marcus,
Our RV-10s run about $8000 to $8500 out the door.
the scheme and the fiberglass work that is left if any.
Your down time is around 4 weeks.
Our next slot is the middle of July. We require a
10% deposit to hold your slot so let us know if we
can help you if you have any other questions fill
free to call us at 817-4302078.
Thanks
Grady
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Radomir
Zaric
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
The owner of the RUQ shop mentioned on one of the lists that RV-10 painting
would start at around 12k...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of l-fussell
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
Marcus,
The shop I am using is Tri-d located in Elmore AL near Montgomery. I have
seen both their paint and interior work both are excellent. Here is the
Site: www.tri-d.us
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RE: RUQ Paint
>
>
> Larry,
> I'm debating about having someone paint my RV-10. Could you post some
> info about who is painting your machine so I can talk to them?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | need some advice here, guys- alternator for RV |
Armed with info gleaned from the AeroElectric list and elsewhere on the web, I
went alternator-shopping at the local auto parts stores today, to see how close
I could get to the recommended 70 A machine that goes by part number Lester
13353 or NipponDenso 121000-346. If I had not had the additional tidbit that
it fits a '93 Dodge Ramcharger 5.2 liter pickup, I think the parts counter clerks
would have been helpless to assist me. The choices that came up "in stock"
were limited to one: the Dodge's optional 90 amp externally-regulated machine
(reman) with a serpentine pulley, in a 125mm case. My quest for a VR-166 Ford
regulator also ended with a substitute, the Sorensen VR-301.
The alternator comes with its own computer-generated test output graph and data
table, indicating it is capable of 126 amps at 6000 rpm, and draws 5.72 amps
of field current at that output. It seems to weigh about 11 lbs on the bathroom
scales. Already I'm thinking this might be more of a fire-breathing machine
than I should bolt to my RV, even if it's a physical fit, which I think it will
be. I'm not sure the electronic regulator will necessarily "handle" it, but
not sure why it wouldn't. I don't need anywhere near the output this alternator
is capable of, and I don't want my 5 amp field breaker nuisance-tripping
because the field happens to want near that amount (no idea how linear the field
current vs output curve might be, so no way to know field current at closer
to 50-60 amps, for example.)
Finally, I'm unsure how easily the V-pulley from my original Van's 35 A machine
will slip onto the shaft of the new alternator. Any takers on that one? When
I make the swap, I'd like to have everything go smoothly with a minimum of downtime.
Basically, I'd like some reassurance that this is worth trying. I can
always take it back and order the Dodge 70 amp alternator; same physical size,
and ironically more money.
Advice appreciated, friends. Thanks.
-Bill Boyd RV-6A O-320 FP
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | need some advice here, guys- alternator for RV |
Whatcha gonna do with all those amps Stormy? What kind of loads are you
anticipating?
Radomir
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:50 PM
rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: need some advice here, guys- alternator for RV
Armed with info gleaned from the AeroElectric list and elsewhere on the web,
I went alternator-shopping at the local auto parts stores today, to see how
close I could get to the recommended 70 A machine that goes by part number
Lester 13353 or NipponDenso 121000-346. If I had not had the additional
tidbit that it fits a '93 Dodge Ramcharger 5.2 liter pickup, I think the
parts counter clerks would have been helpless to assist me. The choices
that came up "in stock" were limited to one: the Dodge's optional 90 amp
externally-regulated machine (reman) with a serpentine pulley, in a 125mm
case. My quest for a VR-166 Ford regulator also ended with a substitute,
the Sorensen VR-301.
The alternator comes with its own computer-generated test output graph and
data table, indicating it is capable of 126 amps at 6000 rpm, and draws 5.72
amps of field current at that output. It seems to weigh about 11 lbs on the
bathroom scales. Already I'm thinking this might be more of a
fire-breathing machine than I should bolt to my RV, even if it's a physical
fit, which I think it will be. I'm not sure the electronic regulator will
necessarily "handle" it, but not sure why it wouldn't. I don't need
anywhere near the output this alternator is capable of, and I don't want my
5 amp field breaker nuisance-tripping because the field happens to want near
that amount (no idea how linear the field current vs output curve might be,
so no way to know field current at closer to 50-60 amps, for example.)
Finally, I'm unsure how easily the V-pulley from my original Van's 35 A
machine will slip onto the shaft of the new alternator. Any takers on that
one? When I make the swap, I'd like to have everything go smoothly with a
minimum of downtime. Basically, I'd like some reassurance that this is
worth trying. I can always take it back and order the Dodge 70 amp
alternator; same physical size, and ironically more money.
Advice appreciated, friends. Thanks.
-Bill Boyd RV-6A O-320 FP
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: need some advice here, guys- alternator for RV |
Don't exactly know, Radomir, but I trust it will put and end to the pulsating radio
and instrument lights I have now with the 35 amp unit, and the low volts
warning light that comes on after a minute with the landing lights on :-)
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Radomir Zaric <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: need some advice here, guys- alternator for RV
Whatcha gonna do with all those amps Stormy? What kind of loads are you
anticipating?
Radomir
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:50 PM
rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: need some advice here, guys- alternator for RV
Armed with info gleaned from the AeroElectric list and elsewhere on the web,
I went alternator-shopping at the local auto parts stores today, to see how
close I could get to the recommended 70 A machine that goes by part number
Lester 13353 or NipponDenso 121000-346. If I had not had the additional
tidbit that it fits a '93 Dodge Ramcharger 5.2 liter pickup, I think the
parts counter clerks would have been helpless to assist me. The choices
that came up "in stock" were limited to one: the Dodge's optional 90 amp
externally-regulated machine (reman) with a serpentine pulley, in a 125mm
case. My quest for a VR-166 Ford regulator also ended with a substitute,
the Sorensen VR-301.
The alternator comes with its own computer-generated test output graph and
data table, indicating it is capable of 126 amps at 6000 rpm, and draws 5.72
amps of field current at that output. It seems to weigh about 11 lbs on the
bathroom scales. Already I'm thinking this might be more of a
fire-breathing machine than I should bolt to my RV, even if it's a physical
fit, which I think it will be. I'm not sure the electronic regulator will
necessarily "handle" it, but not sure why it wouldn't. I don't need
anywhere near the output this alternator is capable of, and I don't want my
5 amp field breaker nuisance-tripping because the field happens to want near
that amount (no idea how linear the field current vs output curve might be,
so no way to know field current at closer to 50-60 amps, for example.)
Finally, I'm unsure how easily the V-pulley from my original Van's 35 A
machine will slip onto the shaft of the new alternator. Any takers on that
one? When I make the swap, I'd like to have everything go smoothly with a
minimum of downtime. Basically, I'd like some reassurance that this is
worth trying. I can always take it back and order the Dodge 70 amp
alternator; same physical size, and ironically more money.
Advice appreciated, friends. Thanks.
-Bill Boyd RV-6A O-320 FP
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
Just checked wind forecast; MTV should be 15G25 on the surface and 40-50 at 3000
AGL at 1500Z tomorrow. Pull your shoulder straps down real tight, Cappy. Don't
want you getting a cracked canopy.
Oh, and eat light ;-)
Conditions later in the afternoon should be much better. I'll hook up with the
gang if possible.
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Wind blew down a Hangar at Goose Creek |
Not sure if Ed is back yet. He knows about it though..... Will need to get a
RV get -2- gether at Goose Creek to help ED clean this thing up.
If you want to see pictures, click on this address
http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7204
Ron Awad
>From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Sunday
>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:58:55 EST
>
>
>I am planning to fly on Sunday ... whether it is formation practice or
>lunch
>at MTV ... I will be in the air ....
>
>Len
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RUQ Paint |
In a message dated 01/14/2006 8:51:51 AM Central Standard Time,
coop85(at)bellsouth.net writes:
I'm debating about having someone paint my RV-10. Could you post some
info about who is painting your machine so I can talk to them?
>>>
Hi Marcus-
Here's my story, FWIW:
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5294
click >>Next Entry>> for more, then go to:
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5270
and again, click >>Next entry>> at top of each page for a look at my entire
experience. Believe me, I debated long and hard before I decided to go this
route and after all was sed&dun, glad I did it! Give me a holler if ya want to
know more...
Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Wind blew down a Hangar at Goose Creek |
Yikes. Not good. Glad he wasn't home at the time. Let us know when we can
help.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD [mailto:sawad13(at)msn.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:43 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Wind blew down a Hangar at Goose Creek
>
> -->
>
>
> Not sure if Ed is back yet. He knows about it though.....
> Will need to get a RV get -2- gether at Goose Creek to help
> ED clean this thing up.
>
> If you want to see pictures, click on this address
>
> http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7204
>
>
> Ron Awad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Wind blew down a Hangar at Goose Creek |
Yikes. Not good. Glad he wasn't home at the time. Let us know when we can
help.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD [mailto:sawad13(at)msn.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:43 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Wind blew down a Hangar at Goose Creek
>
> -->
>
>
> Not sure if Ed is back yet. He knows about it though.....
> Will need to get a RV get -2- gether at Goose Creek to help
> ED clean this thing up.
>
> If you want to see pictures, click on this address
>
> http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7204
>
>
> Ron Awad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Wind blew down a Hangar at Goose Creek |
Yikes. Not good. Glad he wasn't home at the time. Let us know when we can
help.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD [mailto:sawad13(at)msn.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:43 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Wind blew down a Hangar at Goose Creek
>
> -->
>
>
> Not sure if Ed is back yet. He knows about it though.....
> Will need to get a RV get -2- gether at Goose Creek to help
> ED clean this thing up.
>
> If you want to see pictures, click on this address
>
> http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7204
>
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