RVSouthEast-Archive.digest.vol-bl
May 03, 2007 - June 17, 2007
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone There? |
I hope the new business is not building hangars. Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Anyone There?
Thanks, Smokey.
I would like to make the trip, but decided to start a business and
find its
going to take a bit of time to set up one. I must be outta my head,
I've
retired twice, but can't seem to make it stick {:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Anyone There?
>
> Ed,
>
> We're not in Yellowstone yet. There is still time to hop on board
the
> trip and since you quieted the snarling beast we might even let you
fly
> along with us!
>
> Smokey
>>
>> From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
>> Date: 2007/05/02 Wed PM 05:44:40 EDT
>> To:
>> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Anyone There?
>>
>> Had a great time a Sun & Fun. Great seeing Tad and Cappy there,
Mike
>> also whizzed by briefly. Took a 1600 mile detour to Louisiana on my
>> return from Sun & Fun. Saw my 24 year old grandson from England and
his
>> French girlfriend (those ladies are different than American gals)
in
>> Louisiana and spend a couple days visiting other kin folk.
>>
>> Had my nose tire go flat in Northern Alabama - fortunately, had a
spare
>> tube and an A&P was manning the office that day - so only lost an
hour on
>> return trip. I now have two real mufflers on the aircraft and they
>> appear to do a good job. So when you come to visit at GooseCreek
you
>> don't have to stick your fingers in your ears.
>>
>> So am back and resubscribed to the list, but have not hear anybody
since
>> I got back on. Anyone there or all in Yellowstone?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Ed Anderson
>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>> Matthews, NC
>> eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
>> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>>
>>
>> Ed Anderson
>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>> Matthews, NC
>> eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
>> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone There? |
How did you guess, Cappy. I figured with the experience you and I have
it would be a natural business venture {:>).
No, not to worry. I finally got talked into offering some of my
electronic products for sale. So I'm going to produce 20 or so and see
if any sell - then proceed from there. May be back in retirement
shortly {:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Anyone There?
I hope the new business is not building hangars. Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Anyone There?
Thanks, Smokey.
I would like to make the trip, but decided to start a business and
find its
going to take a bit of time to set up one. I must be outta my head,
I've
retired twice, but can't seem to make it stick {:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Anyone There?
>
> Ed,
>
> We're not in Yellowstone yet. There is still time to hop on board
the
> trip and since you quieted the snarling beast we might even let
you fly
> along with us!
>
> Smokey
>>
>> From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
>> Date: 2007/05/02 Wed PM 05:44:40 EDT
>> To:
>> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Anyone There?
>>
>> Had a great time a Sun & Fun. Great seeing Tad and Cappy
there, Mike
>> also whizzed by briefly. Took a 1600 mile detour to Louisiana on
my
>> return from Sun & Fun. Saw my 24 year old grandson from England
and his
>> French girlfriend (those ladies are different than American gals)
in
>> Louisiana and spend a couple days visiting other kin folk.
>>
>> Had my nose tire go flat in Northern Alabama - fortunately, had a
spare
>> tube and an A&P was manning the office that day - so only lost an
hour on
>> return trip. I now have two real mufflers on the aircraft and
they
>> appear to do a good job. So when you come to visit at GooseCreek
you
>> don't have to stick your fingers in your ears.
>>
>> So am back and resubscribed to the list, but have not hear
anybody since
>> I got back on. Anyone there or all in Yellowstone?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Ed Anderson
>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>> Matthews, NC
>> eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
>> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>>
>>
>> Ed Anderson
>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>> Matthews, NC
>> eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
>> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/02/07 |
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
Speaking on behalf of all of us who are still pounding rivets (or in my
case merely cutting firewall insulation waiting for my engine)---you guys
are killin' me!!!
Have fun on the Yellowstone trip!!!
Lee...
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| From: | "Lyle Peterson" <lyleap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Blaine Aviation Weekend |
This is coming very soon but it should be a great fly-in. EAA Chapter
237
is having a fly-in pancake breakfast and lunch at Anoka County Airport
in
Blaine, MN on May 19th and 20th
Chapter 237's Famous Pancake Breakfast with sausage and beverage runs
from
7a.m. to noon and lunch of hamburgers, hot dogs and chili runs until
4p.m.
There are two really great aviation museums on the airport. Golden
Wings
Museum has a collection of beautifully restored vintage airplanes that
includes five trimotors. American Wings Air Museum has a collection of
warbirds from WWII to Dessert Storm. They also have a Wright Flyer
replica,
an original 1911 Steco biplane plus many other exhibits.
There was a Swift, an Ercoupe, a Luscombe T8-F plus a lot of other
vintage
airplanes, warbirds and the usual later model airplanes at last year's
event.
There will be a Hangar Dance Saturday evening with the Sights and Sounds
of
Dave Andrews Big Band. This has been a lot of fun for everyone that
attended in past years.
More can be found at www.eaachapter237.org
Thank you,
Lyle Peterson
President, EAA Chapter 237
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| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
Look who slipped into the "Best of Show" photo in the Sun-n-Fun photo contest.
http://webmail.windstream.net/agent/mobmain?mobmain=1
Lead is Kahuna, 2-SueBob, 3-Radar, 4-Smokey, 5-Speedy, 6-Ken H.
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Cool!
The link is:
http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/interior.asp?section=flyin&body=07FLYIN/nik
on
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ronschreck(at)windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List:
Look who slipped into the "Best of Show" photo in the Sun-n-Fun photo
contest.
http://webmail.windstream.net/agent/mobmain?mobmain=1
Lead is Kahuna, 2-SueBob, 3-Radar, 4-Smokey, 5-Speedy, 6-Ken H.
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Nikon Photo Contest at Sun-n-Fun |
Sorry. Wrong link in the last email. try this:
http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/interior.asp?section=flyin&body=07FLYIN/WRAP
Scroll down to the Nikon Photo Contest and check out the "Best of Show" photo.
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nikon Photo Contest at Sun-n-Fun |
"WhooHoo"!!!
Who are those guys??? :-)
Nice shot.
James
On 5/8/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
>
> Sorry. Wrong link in the last email. try this:
>
>
> http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/interior.asp?section=flyin&body=07FLYIN/WRAP
>
> Scroll down to the Nikon Photo Contest and check out the "Best of Show"
> photo.
>
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
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| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
I know many of you are interested in going to Parkersberg early on Friday in order
to get some practice flights in before the Formation Clinic begins. I would
like to leave as early as possible. If anyone wishes to formate on the way,
I suggest we meet at Rowan County (RUQ) in time for a 0900 departure. I suggest
RUQ because it seems to have the lowest fuel price ($3.50) in the area right
now and it is centrally located. Suggest any takers plan to arrive so as
to depart RUQ at 0900. It should take about and hour and a half to get to PKB.
(About 230 nm.)
Weather looks great for Saturday and Sunday... partly cloudy and a high of 79 degrees.
Friday shows a 30% chance of thunderstorms. Radar, you can bring your
Garmin 396, just don't turn it on!
Smokey
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| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
Hey, I resemble that remark! :-)
I am hoping that an early departure will beat the storms.
See ya at KRUQ.
James
On 5/8/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
>
> I know many of you are interested in going to Parkersberg early on Friday
> in order to get some practice flights in before the Formation Clinic
> begins. I would like to leave as early as possible. If anyone wishes to
> formate on the way, I suggest we meet at Rowan County (RUQ) in time for a
> 0900 departure. I suggest RUQ because it seems to have the lowest fuel
> price ($3.50) in the area right now and it is centrally located. Suggest
> any takers plan to arrive so as to depart RUQ at 0900. It should take about
> and hour and a half to get to PKB. (About 230 nm.)
>
> Weather looks great for Saturday and Sunday... partly cloudy and a high of
> 79 degrees. Friday shows a 30% chance of thunderstorms. Radar, you can
> bring your Garmin 396, just don't turn it on!
>
> Smokey
>
>
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| From: | <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> |
I was looking for an earlier departure. 9:00 ends up being 9:45
Stripes
>
> From: <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> Date: 2007/05/08 Tue PM 08:00:22 EDT
> To:
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fly to KPKB
>
>
> I know many of you are interested in going to Parkersberg early on Friday in
order to get some practice flights in before the Formation Clinic begins. I would
like to leave as early as possible. If anyone wishes to formate on the way,
I suggest we meet at Rowan County (RUQ) in time for a 0900 departure. I suggest
RUQ because it seems to have the lowest fuel price ($3.50) in the area
right now and it is centrally located. Suggest any takers plan to arrive so as
to depart RUQ at 0900. It should take about and hour and a half to get to PKB.
(About 230 nm.)
>
> Weather looks great for Saturday and Sunday... partly cloudy and a high of 79
degrees. Friday shows a 30% chance of thunderstorms. Radar, you can bring your
Garmin 396, just don't turn it on!
>
> Smokey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
I was thinking of our Columbia flyers. If you want to leave RUQ earlier than 9:00
you had better plan on flying down to CUB first to bounce Radar out of bed!
(But I really do mean 9:00 DEPARTURE from RUQ).
Smokey
>
> From: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2007/05/09 Wed AM 06:55:02 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fly to KPKB
>
>
> I was looking for an earlier departure. 9:00 ends up being 9:45
> Stripes
> >
> > From: <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > Date: 2007/05/08 Tue PM 08:00:22 EDT
> > To:
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fly to KPKB
> >
> >
> > I know many of you are interested in going to Parkersberg early on Friday in
order to get some practice flights in before the Formation Clinic begins. I
would like to leave as early as possible. If anyone wishes to formate on the
way, I suggest we meet at Rowan County (RUQ) in time for a 0900 departure. I
suggest RUQ because it seems to have the lowest fuel price ($3.50) in the area
right now and it is centrally located. Suggest any takers plan to arrive so
as to depart RUQ at 0900. It should take about and hour and a half to get to
PKB. (About 230 nm.)
> >
> > Weather looks great for Saturday and Sunday... partly cloudy and a high of
79 degrees. Friday shows a 30% chance of thunderstorms. Radar, you can bring
your Garmin 396, just don't turn it on!
> >
> > Smokey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
may be able to meet you over HLX (Galax) around 9:30
to enroute to PKB. Reno
--- ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
>
> I know many of you are interested in going to
> Parkersberg early on Friday in order to get some
> practice flights in before the Formation Clinic
> begins. I would like to leave as early as possible.
> If anyone wishes to formate on the way, I suggest
> we meet at Rowan County (RUQ) in time for a 0900
> departure. I suggest RUQ because it seems to have
> the lowest fuel price ($3.50) in the area right now
> and it is centrally located. Suggest any takers
> plan to arrive so as to depart RUQ at 0900. It
> should take about and hour and a half to get to PKB.
> (About 230 nm.)
>
> Weather looks great for Saturday and Sunday...
> partly cloudy and a high of 79 degrees. Friday
> shows a 30% chance of thunderstorms. Radar, you can
> bring your Garmin 396, just don't turn it on!
>
> Smokey
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
Bill,
Let's coordinate via cell phone before we launch. Should be able to meet you overhead
HLX on 122.85.
Smokey
>
> From: bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com>
> Date: 2007/05/09 Wed AM 11:43:51 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fly to KPKB
>
>
> may be able to meet you over HLX (Galax) around 9:30
> to enroute to PKB. Reno
> --- ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I know many of you are interested in going to
> > Parkersberg early on Friday in order to get some
> > practice flights in before the Formation Clinic
> > begins. I would like to leave as early as possible.
> > If anyone wishes to formate on the way, I suggest
> > we meet at Rowan County (RUQ) in time for a 0900
> > departure. I suggest RUQ because it seems to have
> > the lowest fuel price ($3.50) in the area right now
> > and it is centrally located. Suggest any takers
> > plan to arrive so as to depart RUQ at 0900. It
> > should take about and hour and a half to get to PKB.
> > (About 230 nm.)
> >
> > Weather looks great for Saturday and Sunday...
> > partly cloudy and a high of 79 degrees. Friday
> > shows a 30% chance of thunderstorms. Radar, you can
> > bring your Garmin 396, just don't turn it on!
> >
> > Smokey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> >
> > Web Forums!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go
> with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
ok
--- ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Let's coordinate via cell phone before we launch.
> Should be able to meet you overhead HLX on 122.85.
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com>
> > Date: 2007/05/09 Wed AM 11:43:51 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fly to KPKB
> >
> crothers
> >
> > may be able to meet you over HLX (Galax) around
> 9:30
> > to enroute to PKB. Reno
> > --- ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know many of you are interested in going to
> > > Parkersberg early on Friday in order to get some
> > > practice flights in before the Formation Clinic
> > > begins. I would like to leave as early as
> possible.
> > > If anyone wishes to formate on the way, I
> suggest
> > > we meet at Rowan County (RUQ) in time for a 0900
> > > departure. I suggest RUQ because it seems to
> have
> > > the lowest fuel price ($3.50) in the area right
> now
> > > and it is centrally located. Suggest any takers
> > > plan to arrive so as to depart RUQ at 0900. It
> > > should take about and hour and a half to get to
> PKB.
> > > (About 230 nm.)
> > >
> > > Weather looks great for Saturday and Sunday...
> > > partly cloudy and a high of 79 degrees. Friday
> > > shows a 30% chance of thunderstorms. Radar, you
> can
> > > bring your Garmin 396, just don't turn it on!
> > >
> > > Smokey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > browse
> > > Subscriptions page,
> > > FAQ,
> > >
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > >
> > > Web Forums!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go
> > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
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> >
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>
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| From: | "GARRY BROWN" <brown.garry(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Stag Park Fly-in |
Guys,
If you haven't made plans for this Saturday, May 12th, come join us at
Stag Park http://www.airnav.com/airport/7NC1 .
Not too late to reserve your spot on the field.
Garry
RV-4 N1458
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: RV-List: Builders in Fayetteville, NC |
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Garrett
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: RV-List: Builders in Fayetteville, NC
Help! I landed out Fayetteville, NC (FAY) tonight and found my charging
system has gone kaput. I highly suspect the alternator.
I wondered whether there were any builders on the field who might let me
use their hangar and tools to diagnose and repair.
Many thanks and sorry to post to so many people who are nowhere near
Fayetteville.
Randy
RV-6A
750 hours
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| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Congrats are in order to three of our SERV members!!! |
"Palmetto Flight" now has two FFI Flight Leads and an additional FFI
Wingman!!
This past weekend a bunch of us attended a Formation Clinic in Parkersburg,
WV. This clinic is put on by Stu McCurdy (of Falcon Flight ... Texas), Mike
Stewart of TeamRV ... Georgia) in "cahoots' with the local host Rick Gray
(of OhioValleyRVators/Buckey Flight ... Ohio).
The clinic is intense and of you have **ANY** thought of serious formation
flying you MUST attend one of these.
Ron Schreck and Ken Harrill were able to take the "FFI Flight Lead"
checkride and they passed.
Tad Sargent was able to take the "FFI Wingman" checkride and passed.
Congrats are in order and well deserved!
--
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: RV-List: Builders in Fayetteville, NC |
----- Original Message -----
From: angie vick
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Builders in Fayetteville, NC
randy/iif you still need help in fayetteville call me at 910-6243529,
frank goggio rv6a
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Randy,
I did a quick check of Van's white pages and this was the only name that
I found in Fayetteville
You might try giving them a call
North Carolina Fayetteville Hanson,Anthony/Sara 910.484.8512
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats are in order to three of our SERV members!!! |
Way to go guys !!!
Len
In a message dated 5/13/2007 7:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jclarkmail(at)gmail.com writes:
"Palmetto Flight" now has two FFI Flight Leads and an additional FFI
Wingman!!
This past weekend a bunch of us attended a Formation Clinic in Parkersburg,
WV. This clinic is put on by Stu McCurdy (of Falcon Flight ... Texas), Mike
Stewart of TeamRV ... Georgia) in "cahoots' with the local host Rick Gray (of
OhioValleyRVators/Buckey Flight ... Ohio).
The clinic is intense and of you have **ANY** thought of serious formation
flying you MUST attend one of these.
Ron Schreck and Ken Harrill were able to take the "FFI Flight Lead"
checkride and they passed.
Tad Sargent was able to take the "FFI Wingman" checkride and passed.
Congrats are in order and well deserved!
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Congrats are in order to three of our SERV members!!! |
Congrats to each of you!
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/13/07, James Clark wrote:
>
> "Palmetto Flight" now has two FFI Flight Leads and an additional FFI
> Wingman!!
>
> This past weekend a bunch of us attended a Formation Clinic in
> Parkersburg, WV. This clinic is put on by Stu McCurdy (of Falcon Flight ...
> Texas), Mike Stewart of TeamRV ... Georgia) in "cahoots' with the local host
> Rick Gray (of OhioValleyRVators/Buckey Flight ... Ohio).
>
> The clinic is intense and of you have **ANY** thought of serious formation
> flying you MUST attend one of these.
>
> Ron Schreck and Ken Harrill were able to take the "FFI Flight Lead"
> checkride and they passed.
> Tad Sargent was able to take the "FFI Wingman" checkride and passed.
>
> Congrats are in order and well deserved!
>
>
> --
> This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> james(at)nextupventures.com .
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Congrats are in order to three of our SERV members!!! |
Congrats to all! Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Lenleg(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Congrats are in order to three of our
SERV members!!!
Way to go guys !!!
Len
In a message dated 5/13/2007 7:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jclarkmail(at)gmail.com writes:
"Palmetto Flight" now has two FFI Flight Leads and an additional FFI
Wingman!!
This past weekend a bunch of us attended a Formation Clinic in
Parkersburg, WV. This clinic is put on by Stu McCurdy (of Falcon Flight
... Texas), Mike Stewart of TeamRV ... Georgia) in "cahoots' with the
local host Rick Gray (of OhioValleyRVators/Buckey Flight ... Ohio).
The clinic is intense and of you have **ANY** thought of serious
formation flying you MUST attend one of these.
Ron Schreck and Ken Harrill were able to take the "FFI Flight Lead"
checkride and they passed.
Tad Sargent was able to take the "FFI Wingman" checkride and passed.
Congrats are in order and well deserved!
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
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| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | source for ready-made hoses |
It's been ten years - time to replace the aging home-made oil and fuel hoses
FWF.
This time I want to go with "lifetime" teflon hoses and professionally
installed fittings and firesleeve, with pressure testing, so I'm looking for
a good vendor to provide ready-made hoses. Any recommendations as far as
price and service, turn-around time and so forth?
Thanks,
-Bill B / Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Utsey" <djdist(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: source for ready-made hoses |
Use the Nascar guys / BSR (Butch Stevens Racing) in Mooresville is one
source / turnaround is pretty prompt
Randy Utsey
D.J. Distributing Co.
1429 Bryant St.
Charlotte, NC 28208
800-585-4126
djdist(at)bellsouth.net
www.djdist.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Boyd
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com ; rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:53 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: source for ready-made hoses
It's been ten years - time to replace the aging home-made oil and fuel
hoses FWF.
This time I want to go with "lifetime" teflon hoses and professionally
installed fittings and firesleeve, with pressure testing, so I'm looking
for a good vendor to provide ready-made hoses. Any recommendations as
far as price and service, turn-around time and so forth?
Thanks,
-Bill B / Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | You gotta read this! |
----=_NextPart_001_003B_01C79603.0888F490--
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| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: You gotta read this! |
I don't know if this is what you meant but if not,
YOU GOTTA READ THIS (formation related ... the best I have read like this)
http://n466pg.blogspot.com/2007/05/formation-clinic.html
It truly captures the feeling of a "newbie". Hey even an old timer like me
got sweaty palms reading it. :-)
James
p.s. Stay tuned for a view of "Stripes" "smack dab in the middle of things".
On 5/14/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
> ----=_NextPart_001_003B_01C79603.0888F490--
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
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| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: You gotta read this! |
Yes. That's the one. My ISP must have stripped the attachment.
Smokey
>
> From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon AM 10:21:20 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: You gotta read this!
>
> I don't know if this is what you meant but if not,
>
> YOU GOTTA READ THIS (formation related ... the best I have read like this)
>
> http://n466pg.blogspot.com/2007/05/formation-clinic.html
>
> It truly captures the feeling of a "newbie". Hey even an old timer like me
> got sweaty palms reading it. :-)
>
> James
>
> p.s. Stay tuned for a view of "Stripes" "smack dab in the middle of things".
>
> On 5/14/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
> >
> > ----=_NextPart_001_003B_01C79603.0888F490--
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> james(at)nextupventures.com .
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | return home trip from KCOD |
Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and considering
the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying instruction, so
I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the terrain I'd be
crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)! Just thought I'd
get the group's reaction to a proposed route like: KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.
On the way home we might see the Ozarks or something. One nice thing about
the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by Sunday. That's plenty
leisurely if the wx cooperates. I would, however, hate to make that long a
trip without a wingman or two. Who else is considering the southerly way
home from Cody?
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
I received a good book about mountain flying for Xmas last year ... you are
welcome to it.
Len
In a message dated 5/14/2007 2:22:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sportav8r(at)gmail.com writes:
Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and considering
the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying instruction, so
I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the terrain I'd be
crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)! Just thought I'd get
the group's reaction to a proposed route like: KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the
way home we might see the Ozarks or something. One nice thing about the
trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by Sunday. That's plenty
leisurely if the wx cooperates. I would, however, hate to make that long a trip
without a wingman or two. Who else is considering the southerly way home from
Cody?
-Stormy
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
And some of us (with lesser engines and props) start to run out climb of
"giddy-up" above 10K. I have been to 11,000 with PapaJuliette (160HP/Fixed
pitch wood) and was up to 10,500 yesterday. Had to ask the crew to cut me
some slack on the power settings.
Will take a look at the route you mentioned later.
James
On 5/14/07, Bill Boyd wrote:
>
> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and
> considering the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying
> instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the
> terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!
> Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
> something. One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to
> return by Sunday. That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates. I would,
> however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two. Who else
> is considering the southerly way home from Cody?
>
> -Stormy
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
Thanks, buddy. I';ll take you up on that.
On 5/14/07, Lenleg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> I received a good book about mountain flying for Xmas last year ... you
> are welcome to it.
>
> Len
>
>
> In a message dated 5/14/2007 2:22:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> sportav8r(at)gmail.com writes:
>
> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and
> considering the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying
> instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the
> terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!
> Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
> something. One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to
> return by Sunday. That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates. I would,
> however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two. Who else
> is considering the southerly way home from Cody?
>
> -Stormy
>
> *
>
> t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> .matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
>
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>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
I may head down that way to visit my brother in Houston.
Smokey
>
> From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 02:21:51 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
>
> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and considering
> the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying instruction, so
> I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the terrain I'd be
> crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)! Just thought I'd
> get the group's reaction to a proposed route like: KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.
> On the way home we might see the Ozarks or something. One nice thing about
> the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by Sunday. That's plenty
> leisurely if the wx cooperates. I would, however, hate to make that long a
> trip without a wingman or two. Who else is considering the southerly way
> home from Cody?
>
> -Stormy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
If you're not opposed to one on one instruction,
Speedbird Aviation at KMRN did a mountain flying
seminar about a year ago, they would probably be
willing to run that by you for a small fee.
828-757-0099
I did it and feel quite a bit better about Mountain
Flying. You can run your proposed route by them as
well. Couldn't hurt.
(P.S. I don't know where you are, that may be out of
range. BUT: EAA 731 is hosting a Fly-In at Hickory
Regional KHKY with NO RAMP FEES this Saturday 0800 -
well. If you are interested and choose to do so, hunt
me down and I'll introduce you.)
Sounds like a good trip! Good luck!
Bart
--- Bill Boyd wrote:
> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from
> Yellowstone, and considering
> the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some
> mountain flying instruction, so
> I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of
> the terrain I'd be
> crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV
> (11,500)! Just thought I'd
> get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.
> On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
> something. One nice thing about
> the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by
> Sunday. That's plenty
> leisurely if the wx cooperates. I would, however,
> hate to make that long a
> trip without a wingman or two. Who else is
> considering the southerly way
> home from Cody?
>
> -Stormy
>
http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "bburril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
I was considering from cody to jackson hole,to page az,to the grand canyon
and monument valley on the way home .
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Filipiak" <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
>
>
> If you're not opposed to one on one instruction,
> Speedbird Aviation at KMRN did a mountain flying
> seminar about a year ago, they would probably be
> willing to run that by you for a small fee.
>
> 828-757-0099
>
>
> I did it and feel quite a bit better about Mountain
> Flying. You can run your proposed route by them as
> well. Couldn't hurt.
>
> (P.S. I don't know where you are, that may be out of
> range. BUT: EAA 731 is hosting a Fly-In at Hickory
> Regional KHKY with NO RAMP FEES this Saturday 0800 -
> well. If you are interested and choose to do so, hunt
> me down and I'll introduce you.)
>
> Sounds like a good trip! Good luck!
>
> Bart
>
>
> --- Bill Boyd wrote:
>
>> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from
>> Yellowstone, and considering
>> the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some
>> mountain flying instruction, so
>> I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of
>> the terrain I'd be
>> crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV
>> (11,500)! Just thought I'd
>> get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
>> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.
>> On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
>> something. One nice thing about
>> the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by
>> Sunday. That's plenty
>> leisurely if the wx cooperates. I would, however,
>> hate to make that long a
>> trip without a wingman or two. Who else is
>> considering the southerly way
>> home from Cody?
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>
>
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
Stormy one of the best sites I have seen on mountain flying is AOPA.
This is awesome!
http://flash.aopa.org/asf/mountainFlying/html/flash.cfm
There is more here but you may have to dig through it.
http://www.aopa.org/members/files/guides/mntfly.html
Next summer I was planning on Sedona, AZ, the Grand Canyon
and Monument Valley. But it can be done anytime.
If you are planning to cross mountains you will need at least 2000'
above the
highest terrain to be safe. I would recommend going around rather than
over.
Don't forget temperature corrections for true altitude.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Boyd
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and
considering the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying
instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the
terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!
Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
something. One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days
to return by Sunday. That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates. I
would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.
Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody?
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | return home trip from KCOD |
James,
It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the
hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air. ;)
Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10 hours
of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport. I figure
that will take me at least another year to complete.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
Clark
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
And some of us (with lesser engines and props) start to run out climb of
"giddy-up" above 10K. I have been to 11,000 with PapaJuliette
(160HP/Fixed pitch wood) and was up to 10,500 yesterday. Had to ask the
crew to cut me some slack on the power settings.
Will take a look at the route you mentioned later.
James
On 5/14/07, Bill Boyd
> wrote:
Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and
considering the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying
instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the
terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!
Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
something. One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days
to return by Sunday. That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates. I
would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.
Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody?
-Stormy
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
http://forums.matronics.com
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
The AOPA website has some good reading on it.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/14/07, Bill Boyd wrote:
>
> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and
> considering the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying
> instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the
> terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!
> Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
> something. One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to
> return by Sunday. That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates. I would,
> however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two. Who else
> is considering the southerly way home from Cody?
>
> -Stormy
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from California. Had no problem
getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my autopilot fits. On the
updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts and then back to 130 kts
when it had to "climb" through the downdraft. Had to keep trimming to keep the
autopilot happy. The 78 knot tailwind was a real thrill and the fuel flow of
6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap ride. I got tired of chasing the trim
and descended to 15,500 and accepted a mere 60 know tailwind below the mountain
wave. Cappy is right about needing a substantial altitude buffer above the
peaks but you can usually find a low spot along the ridges and approach high
ridge lines at a 45 degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a sink.
The terrain function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and its
easy to pick your way through. I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest
part of the Rockies. I wouldn't feel comfortable
in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the highest
terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer. Just stay on the airways.
In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching the clouds.
Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind side and stay
WAY far away from any rotors. The windward side of the ridges give lots of
free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can easily exceed even
the RV's climb capability. I have spent a lot of time over wildfires and
the smoke tells you even more than the clouds. Climbing in a smoke column sucks
but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom cumulus cloud. Thunderstorms
can generate more lift but you really need to stay out of that stuff! Bottom
line... mountain flying is fun if you do some study before you go aloft.
Pretend you are a sailplane and you will have tons of fun. (Am I the only one
who wonders why the altitude record for sailplanes
is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce Bohannon in
his suped up RV-4???)
Enjoy the ride.
Smokey
>
> From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 09:41:49 EDT
> To:
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
>
> James,
>
> It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the
> hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air. ;)
>
> Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10 hours
> of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport. I figure
> that will take me at least another year to complete.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
> Clark
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:14 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
>
>
> And some of us (with lesser engines and props) start to run out climb of
> "giddy-up" above 10K. I have been to 11,000 with PapaJuliette
> (160HP/Fixed pitch wood) and was up to 10,500 yesterday. Had to ask the
> crew to cut me some slack on the power settings.
>
> Will take a look at the route you mentioned later.
>
> James
>
>
>
> On 5/14/07, Bill Boyd
> > wrote:
>
> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and
> considering the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying
> instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the
> terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!
> Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
> something. One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days
> to return by Sunday. That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates. I
> would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.
> Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody?
>
> -Stormy
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> james(at)nextupventures.com .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
Sounds exciting & intimidating at the same time....like many aspects of
flying. Looking forward to it.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/14/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
>
> I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from California. Had
> no problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my autopilot
> fits. On the updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts and then
> back to 130 kts when it had to "climb" through the downdraft. Had to keep
> trimming to keep the autopilot happy. The 78 knot tailwind was a real
> thrill and the fuel flow of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap ride. I
> got tired of chasing the trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted a mere 60
> know tailwind below the mountain wave. Cappy is right about needing a
> substantial altitude buffer above the peaks but you can usually find a low
> spot along the ridges and approach high ridge lines at a 45 degree angle so
> you can "bail out" if you get into a sink. The terrain function of the GPS
> really paints a good picture for you and its easy to pick your way
> through. I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest part of the
> Rockies. I wouldn't feel comfortable
> in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the
> highest terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer. Just stay
> on the airways. In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching
> the clouds. Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind
> side and stay WAY far away from any rotors. The windward side of the ridges
> give lots of free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can
> easily exceed even the RV's climb capability. I have spent a lot of time
> over wildfires and the smoke tells you even more than the clouds. Climbing
> in a smoke column sucks but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom
> cumulus cloud. Thunderstorms can generate more lift but you really need to
> stay out of that stuff! Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do
> some study before you go aloft. Pretend you are a sailplane and you will
> have tons of fun. (Am I the only one who wonders why the altitude record
> for sailplanes
> is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce Bohannon
> in his suped up RV-4???)
>
> Enjoy the ride.
>
> Smokey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
If you really want to fly the mountain wave like a sailplane, try
speeding up and allowing some descent thru the down air, slow down and
allow some climb in the up. That is, the opposite of what the autopilot
wants to do. It requires some altitude flexibility but with VFR or the
appropriate clearance, it can be done. That will optimize your energy
expenditure and speed thru the wave. Works with cumulus too. Circling
to climb is for the birds!
Bill "banging rivets on my '10 while dreaming of 10knot lift over the
Sierras" Watson
www.mykitlog.com/Mauledriver
ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
> I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from California. Had no
problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my autopilot fits. On the
updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts and then back to 130 kts
when it had to "climb" through the downdraft. Had to keep trimming to keep
the autopilot happy. The 78 knot tailwind was a real thrill and the fuel flow
of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap ride. I got tired of chasing the
trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted a mere 60 know tailwind below the mountain
wave. Cappy is right about needing a substantial altitude buffer above
the peaks but you can usually find a low spot along the ridges and approach high
ridge lines at a 45 degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a sink.
The terrain function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and
its easy to pick your way through. I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest
part of the Rockies. I wouldn't feel comfortable
> in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the highest
terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer. Just stay on the airways.
In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching the clouds.
Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind side and stay
WAY far away from any rotors. The windward side of the ridges give lots of
free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can easily exceed
even the RV's climb capability. I have spent a lot of time over wildfires and
the smoke tells you even more than the clouds. Climbing in a smoke column sucks
but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom cumulus cloud. Thunderstorms
can generate more lift but you really need to stay out of that stuff!
Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do some study before you go aloft.
Pretend you are a sailplane and you will have tons of fun. (Am I the only
one who wonders why the altitude record for sailplanes
> is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce Bohannon in
his suped up RV-4???)
>
> Enjoy the ride.
>
> Smokey
>
>> From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
>> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 09:41:49 EDT
>> To:
>> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
>>
>> James,
>>
>> It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the
>> hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air. ;)
>>
>> Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10 hours
>> of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport. I figure
>> that will take me at least another year to complete.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
>> Clark
>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:14 PM
>> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
>>
>>
>> And some of us (with lesser engines and props) start to run out climb of
>> "giddy-up" above 10K. I have been to 11,000 with PapaJuliette
>> (160HP/Fixed pitch wood) and was up to 10,500 yesterday. Had to ask the
>> crew to cut me some slack on the power settings.
>>
>> Will take a look at the route you mentioned later.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/14/07, Bill Boyd
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and
>> considering the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying
>> instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the
>> terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!
>> Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
>> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
>> something. One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days
>> to return by Sunday. That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates. I
>> would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.
>> Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody?
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>> james(at)nextupventures.com .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
I was doing my damndest to stay out of class A airspace. You are correct, you
can navigate the wave easier if you have an altitude block to work in. I should
have asked for that. I was VFR flight following with ABQ Center and trying
not to look like a yahoo out for a joy ride on the roller coaster.
Smokey
>
> From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
> Date: 2007/05/15 Tue AM 11:49:32 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
>
>
> If you really want to fly the mountain wave like a sailplane, try
> speeding up and allowing some descent thru the down air, slow down and
> allow some climb in the up. That is, the opposite of what the autopilot
> wants to do. It requires some altitude flexibility but with VFR or the
> appropriate clearance, it can be done. That will optimize your energy
> expenditure and speed thru the wave. Works with cumulus too. Circling
> to climb is for the birds!
>
> Bill "banging rivets on my '10 while dreaming of 10knot lift over the
> Sierras" Watson
> www.mykitlog.com/Mauledriver
>
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
> >
> > I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from California. Had
no problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my autopilot fits. On
the updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts and then back to 130
kts when it had to "climb" through the downdraft. Had to keep trimming to keep
the autopilot happy. The 78 knot tailwind was a real thrill and the fuel flow
of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap ride. I got tired of chasing the
trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted a mere 60 know tailwind below the
mountain wave. Cappy is right about needing a substantial altitude buffer above
the peaks but you can usually find a low spot along the ridges and approach
high ridge lines at a 45 degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a
sink. The terrain function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and
its easy to pick your way through. I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest
part of the Rockies. I wouldn't feel comforta
b!
> le
> > in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the highest
terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer. Just stay on the
airways. In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching the clouds.
Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind side and
stay WAY far away from any rotors. The windward side of the ridges give lots
of free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can easily exceed
even the RV's climb capability. I have spent a lot of time over wildfires
and the smoke tells you even more than the clouds. Climbing in a smoke column
sucks but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom cumulus cloud. Thunderstorms
can generate more lift but you really need to stay out of that stuff!
Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do some study before you go aloft.
Pretend you are a sailplane and you will have tons of fun. (Am I the only
one who wonders why the altitude record for sailpla
n!
> es
> > is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce Bohannon
in his suped up RV-4???)
> >
> > Enjoy the ride.
> >
> > Smokey
> >
> >> From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
> >> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 09:41:49 EDT
> >> To:
> >> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
> >>
> >> James,
> >>
> >> It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the
> >> hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air. ;)
> >>
> >> Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10 hours
> >> of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport. I figure
> >> that will take me at least another year to complete.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
> >> Clark
> >> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:14 PM
> >> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
> >>
> >>
> >> And some of us (with lesser engines and props) start to run out climb of
> >> "giddy-up" above 10K. I have been to 11,000 with PapaJuliette
> >> (160HP/Fixed pitch wood) and was up to 10,500 yesterday. Had to ask the
> >> crew to cut me some slack on the power settings.
> >>
> >> Will take a look at the route you mentioned later.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/14/07, Bill Boyd
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and
> >> considering the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain flying
> >> instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of the
> >> terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!
> >> Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
> >> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
> >> something. One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6 days
> >> to return by Sunday. That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates. I
> >> would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.
> >> Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody?
> >>
> >> -Stormy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com
> >>
> >> james(at)nextupventures.com .
> >>
> >>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
Just purchased a used like-new Aerox system on eBay. Now I get the thrill
of hydrotesting and trying to convince a welding shop to fill it for me.
"Can't, unless you're a licensed physician." they said. Oh, well, I said.
Wait a minute- I think that won't be a problem, and I even have an account
with you for the liquid nitrogen I use in the office...
Now I have to hope they have the suitable adapter for the M tank regulator.
This is more hassle than I thought, but I'm going to be glad I have it along
on the trip, I think.
-Stormy
RVSouthEast-List message posted by: MauleDriver
>
> If you really want to fly the mountain wave like a sailplane, try
> speeding up and allowing some descent thru the down air, slow down and
> allow some climb in the up. That is, the opposite of what the autopilot
> wants to do. It requires some altitude flexibility but with VFR or the
> appropriate clearance, it can be done. That will optimize your energy
> expenditure and speed thru the wave. Works with cumulus too. Circling
> to climb is for the birds!
>
> Bill "banging rivets on my '10 while dreaming of 10knot lift over the
> Sierras" Watson
> www.mykitlog.com/Mauledriver
>
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
> >
> > I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from
> California. Had no problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my
> autopilot fits. On the updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts
> and then back to 130 kts when it had to "climb" through the downdraft. Had
> to keep trimming to keep the autopilot happy. The 78 knot tailwind was a
> real thrill and the fuel flow of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap
> ride. I got tired of chasing the trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted
> a mere 60 know tailwind below the mountain wave. Cappy is right about
> needing a substantial altitude buffer above the peaks but you can usually
> find a low spot along the ridges and approach high ridge lines at a 45
> degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a sink. The terrain
> function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and its easy to
> pick your way through. I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest part
> of the Rockies. I wouldn't feel comfortab!
> le
> > in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the
> highest terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer. Just stay
> on the airways. In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching
> the clouds. Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind
> side and stay WAY far away from any rotors. The windward side of the ridges
> give lots of free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can
> easily exceed even the RV's climb capability. I have spent a lot of time
> over wildfires and the smoke tells you even more than the clouds. Climbing
> in a smoke column sucks but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom
> cumulus cloud. Thunderstorms can generate more lift but you really need to
> stay out of that stuff! Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do
> some study before you go aloft. Pretend you are a sailplane and you will
> have tons of fun. (Am I the only one who wonders why the altitude record
> for sailplan!
> es
> > is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce
> Bohannon in his suped up RV-4???)
> >
> > Enjoy the ride.
> >
> > Smokey
> >
> >> From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
> >> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 09:41:49 EDT
> >> To:
> >> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
> >>
> >> James,
> >>
> >> It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the
> >> hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air. ;)
> >>
> >> Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10
> hours
> >> of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport. I figure
> >> that will take me at least another year to complete.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
> >> Clark
> >> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:14 PM
> >> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
> >>
> >>
> >> And some of us (with lesser engines and props) start to run out climb
> of
> >> "giddy-up" above 10K. I have been to 11,000 with PapaJuliette
> >> (160HP/Fixed pitch wood) and was up to 10,500 yesterday. Had to ask the
> >> crew to cut me some slack on the power settings.
> >>
> >> Will take a look at the route you mentioned later.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/14/07, Bill Boyd >
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and
> >> considering the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain
> flying
> >> instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of
> the
> >> terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!
> >> Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
> >> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
> >> something. One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6
> days
> >> to return by Sunday. That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates. I
> >> would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.
> >> Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody?
> >>
> >> -Stormy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com
> >>
> >> james(at)nextupventures.com .
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
Stormy,
I have the adapter. I think Larry Bowen will be borrowing my oxygen unit when
we go to Yellowstone, so you can borrow the adapter when its time to fill up.
I called the folks at Precise Flight and they sent the adapter next day.
Smokey
>
> From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
> Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 12:08:29 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
>
> Just purchased a used like-new Aerox system on eBay. Now I get the thrill
> of hydrotesting and trying to convince a welding shop to fill it for me.
> "Can't, unless you're a licensed physician." they said. Oh, well, I said.
> Wait a minute- I think that won't be a problem, and I even have an account
> with you for the liquid nitrogen I use in the office...
>
> Now I have to hope they have the suitable adapter for the M tank regulator.
> This is more hassle than I thought, but I'm going to be glad I have it along
> on the trip, I think.
>
> -Stormy
>
> >
> > If you really want to fly the mountain wave like a sailplane, try
> > speeding up and allowing some descent thru the down air, slow down and
> > allow some climb in the up. That is, the opposite of what the autopilot
> > wants to do. It requires some altitude flexibility but with VFR or the
> > appropriate clearance, it can be done. That will optimize your energy
> > expenditure and speed thru the wave. Works with cumulus too. Circling
> > to climb is for the birds!
> >
> > Bill "banging rivets on my '10 while dreaming of 10knot lift over the
> > Sierras" Watson
> > www.mykitlog.com/Mauledriver
> >
> > ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
> > >
> > > I took Miss Izzy to 17,500 last Fall while returning from
> > California. Had no problem getting up there, but the mountain wave gave my
> > autopilot fits. On the updraft the nose lowered and TAS went up to 190 kts
> > and then back to 130 kts when it had to "climb" through the downdraft. Had
> > to keep trimming to keep the autopilot happy. The 78 knot tailwind was a
> > real thrill and the fuel flow of 6 GPH at full throttle made for a cheap
> > ride. I got tired of chasing the trim and descended to 15,500 and accepted
> > a mere 60 know tailwind below the mountain wave. Cappy is right about
> > needing a substantial altitude buffer above the peaks but you can usually
> > find a low spot along the ridges and approach high ridge lines at a 45
> > degree angle so you can "bail out" if you get into a sink. The terrain
> > function of the GPS really paints a good picture for you and its easy to
> > pick your way through. I didn't feel intimidated by even the highest part
> > of the Rockies. I wouldn't feel comfortab!
> > le
> > > in IMC conditions unless I had at least 2000 feet clearance above the
> > highest terrain but any published MEA will give you that buffer. Just stay
> > on the airways. In VMC you can "read" the winds over the ridges by watching
> > the clouds. Avoid the caps and lenticular forms, especially on the downwind
> > side and stay WAY far away from any rotors. The windward side of the ridges
> > give lots of free lift and the leeward side may provide downdrafts that can
> > easily exceed even the RV's climb capability. I have spent a lot of time
> > over wildfires and the smoke tells you even more than the clouds. Climbing
> > in a smoke column sucks but it can provide more lift than any flat bottom
> > cumulus cloud. Thunderstorms can generate more lift but you really need to
> > stay out of that stuff! Bottom line... mountain flying is fun if you do
> > some study before you go aloft. Pretend you are a sailplane and you will
> > have tons of fun. (Am I the only one who wonders why the altitude record
> > for sailplan!
> > es
> > > is a few thousand feet higher than the altitude achieved by Bruce
> > Bohannon in his suped up RV-4???)
> > >
> > > Enjoy the ride.
> > >
> > > Smokey
> > >
> > >> From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>
> > >> Date: 2007/05/14 Mon PM 09:41:49 EDT
> > >> To:
> > >> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
> > >>
> > >> James,
> > >>
> > >> It sounds like it might be time to give up on that -6 and the -7 in the
> > >> hanger and build a -9 as they do much better in the thin air. ;)
> > >>
> > >> Of course, I really wouldn't know that 1st hand as I have about 10
> > hours
> > >> of work to finish on my -9 before taking it to the airport. I figure
> > >> that will take me at least another year to complete.
> > >>
> > >> Bill
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > >> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
> > >> Clark
> > >> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:14 PM
> > >> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > >> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> And some of us (with lesser engines and props) start to run out climb
> > of
> > >> "giddy-up" above 10K. I have been to 11,000 with PapaJuliette
> > >> (160HP/Fixed pitch wood) and was up to 10,500 yesterday. Had to ask the
> > >> crew to cut me some slack on the power settings.
> > >>
> > >> Will take a look at the route you mentioned later.
> > >>
> > >> James
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 5/14/07, Bill Boyd > >
> > >>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from Yellowstone, and
> > >> considering the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some mountain
> > flying
> > >> instruction, so I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of
> > the
> > >> terrain I'd be crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV (11,500)!
> > >> Just thought I'd get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
> > >> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA. On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
> > >> something. One nice thing about the trip as planned is it allows 6
> > days
> > >> to return by Sunday. That's plenty leisurely if the wx cooperates. I
> > >> would, however, hate to make that long a trip without a wingman or two.
> > >> Who else is considering the southerly way home from Cody?
> > >>
> > >> -Stormy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > >>
> > >> http://forums.matronics.com
> > >>
> > >> james(at)nextupventures.com .
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| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
Thanks. Are you not going along, or just holding your breath above 12,500?
;-)
On 5/15/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
>
> Stormy,
>
> I have the adapter. I think Larry Bowen will be borrowing my oxygen unit
> when we go to Yellowstone, so you can borrow the adapter when its time to
> fill up. I called the folks at Precise Flight and they sent the adapter
> next day.
>
> Smokey
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
In related news, I picked up a pair of pendant style oxymizers and a less
expensive oximeter at
https://www.pulmolab.com/respiratory/oxy_conservers/oxymizers.html
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/15/07, Bill Boyd wrote:
>
> Thanks. Are you not going along, or just holding your breath above
> 12,500? ;-)
>
> On 5/15/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > Stormy,
> >
> > I have the adapter. I think Larry Bowen will be borrowing my oxygen
> > unit when we go to Yellowstone, so you can borrow the adapter when its time
> > to fill up. I called the folks at Precise Flight and they sent the adapter
> > next day.
> >
> > Smokey
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
I think we will stay east of the Rockies. Larry wants to try the unit out before
he buys one. And, that's about 15 pounds more souveneers that Kathy can drag
home!
Smokey
>
> From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
> Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 12:43:29 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
>
> Thanks. Are you not going along, or just holding your breath above 12,500?
> ;-)
>
> On 5/15/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > Stormy,
> >
> > I have the adapter. I think Larry Bowen will be borrowing my oxygen unit
> > when we go to Yellowstone, so you can borrow the adapter when its time to
> > fill up. I called the folks at Precise Flight and they sent the adapter
> > next day.
> >
> > Smokey
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
Why do all the oximeters cost so much? Are they gold plated?
Smokey
>
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 01:20:43 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
>
> In related news, I picked up a pair of pendant style oxymizers and a less
> expensive oximeter at
>
> https://www.pulmolab.com/respiratory/oxy_conservers/oxymizers.html
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> On 5/15/07, Bill Boyd wrote:
> >
> > Thanks. Are you not going along, or just holding your breath above
> > 12,500? ;-)
> >
> > On 5/15/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Stormy,
> > >
> > > I have the adapter. I think Larry Bowen will be borrowing my oxygen
> > > unit when we go to Yellowstone, so you can borrow the adapter when its time
> > > to fill up. I called the folks at Precise Flight and they sent the adapter
> > > next day.
> > >
> > > Smokey
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
Not sure. Small market for them? Mine was made is Israel. Import taxes?
O2 = 97%, 72 BPM.
:)
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/15/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
>
> Why do all the oximeters cost so much? Are they gold plated?
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> > Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 01:20:43 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: return home trip from KCOD
> >
> > In related news, I picked up a pair of pendant style oxymizers and a
> less
> > expensive oximeter at
> >
> > https://www.pulmolab.com/respiratory/oxy_conservers/oxymizers.html
> >
> > --
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> > On 5/15/07, Bill Boyd wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks. Are you not going along, or just holding your breath above
> > > 12,500? ;-)
> > >
> > > On 5/15/07, ronschreck(at)windstream.net
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stormy,
> > > >
> > > > I have the adapter. I think Larry Bowen will be borrowing my oxygen
> > > > unit when we go to Yellowstone, so you can borrow the adapter when
> its time
> > > > to fill up. I called the folks at Precise Flight and they sent the
> adapter
> > > > next day.
> > > >
> > > > Smokey
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Race to Ridgeland |
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
Guys: Just wanted to update everyone on the Race to Ridgeland held
successfully last weekend (but without the services of the world famous
SERV formation team)----it was good but just not the same without you!!
We did have a good time for sure and some ex-military guys in three
Nanchings did their best to emulate your photo award winning effort at Sun
and Fun, but you know? They just hadn't practiced enough. Actually, they
hadn't practiced at all, but what the heck.
Great time was had by all without you but I don't want to take any chances
for next year. I'm declaring right now for 3 May, 2008. Larry, would you
put us on your calendar and James (or whomever decides these things) please
consider an appearance by the group at the Race to Ridgeland on that
Saturday next year. Maybe I can even fly photo ship by then in "Big Blue".
I sure hope so, anyway. Would love to have Kahuna's crowd too.
James: If you get a chance, please drop me a line. Perhaps we can
coordinate a little on this. I hope to see you guys a lot more next year
when my Rocket should be flying.
Lee...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Race to Ridgeland |
I'm working on a re-do of the SERV webpage. I'll include it there......
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/15/07, lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com wrote:
>
>
> Guys: Just wanted to update everyone on the Race to Ridgeland held
> successfully last weekend (but without the services of the world famous
> SERV formation team)----it was good but just not the same without you!!
> We did have a good time for sure and some ex-military guys in three
> Nanchings did their best to emulate your photo award winning effort at Sun
> and Fun, but you know? They just hadn't practiced enough. Actually, they
> hadn't practiced at all, but what the heck.
>
> Great time was had by all without you but I don't want to take any chances
> for next year. I'm declaring right now for 3 May, 2008. Larry, would
> you
> put us on your calendar and James (or whomever decides these things)
> please
> consider an appearance by the group at the Race to Ridgeland on that
> Saturday next year. Maybe I can even fly photo ship by then in "Big
> Blue".
> I sure hope so, anyway. Would love to have Kahuna's crowd too.
>
> James: If you get a chance, please drop me a line. Perhaps we can
> coordinate a little on this. I hope to see you guys a lot more next year
> when my Rocket should be flying.
>
> Lee...
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Stormy:
Put the book in the mail to you today.
Len
In a message dated 5/14/2007 6:03:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com writes:
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Bart Filipiak
If you're not opposed to one on one instruction,
Speedbird Aviation at KMRN did a mountain flying
seminar about a year ago, they would probably be
willing to run that by you for a small fee.
828-757-0099
I did it and feel quite a bit better about Mountain
Flying. You can run your proposed route by them as
well. Couldn't hurt.
(P.S. I don't know where you are, that may be out of
range. BUT: EAA 731 is hosting a Fly-In at Hickory
Regional KHKY with NO RAMP FEES this Saturday 0800 -
well. If you are interested and choose to do so, hunt
me down and I'll introduce you.)
Sounds like a good trip! Good luck!
Bart
--- Bill Boyd wrote:
> Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from
> Yellowstone, and considering
> the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some
> mountain flying instruction, so
> I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of
> the terrain I'd be
> crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV
> (11,500)! Just thought I'd
> get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
> KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.
> On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
> something. One nice thing about
> the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by
> Sunday. That's plenty
> leisurely if the wx cooperates. I would, however,
> hate to make that long a
> trip without a wingman or two. Who else is
> considering the southerly way
> home from Cody?
>
> -Stormy
>
http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mountain Flying |
Thanks a bunch, Len. You da man.
-BB
tormy:
>
> Put the book in the mail to you today.
>
> Len
>
>
> In a message dated 5/14/2007 6:03:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com writes:
>
> >
>
> If you're not opposed to one on one instruction,
> Speedbird Aviation at KMRN did a mountain flying
> seminar about a year ago, they would probably be
> willing to run that by you for a small fee.
>
> 828-757-0099
>
>
> I did it and feel quite a bit better about Mountain
> Flying. You can run your proposed route by them as
> well. Couldn't hurt.
>
> (P.S. I don't know where you are, that may be out of
> range. BUT: EAA 731 is hosting a Fly-In at Hickory
> Regional KHKY with NO RAMP FEES this Saturday 0800 -
> well. If you are interested and choose to do so, hunt
> me down and I'll introduce you.)
>
> Sounds like a good trip! Good luck!
>
> Bart
>
>
> --- Bill Boyd wrote:
>
> > Cappy- thinking about the return leg home from
> > Yellowstone, and considering
> > the Grand Canyon route. I guess I need some
> > mountain flying instruction, so
> > I'll hunt a DVD or good book on this topic. Some of
> > the terrain I'd be
> > crossing is higher than I've ever flown the RV
> > (11,500)! Just thought I'd
> > get the group's reaction to a proposed route like:
> > KCOD;KRKS;U34;KHVE;KPGA.
> > On the way home we might see the Ozarks or
> > something. One nice thing about
> > the trip as planned is it allows 6 days to return by
> > Sunday. That's plenty
> > leisurely if the wx cooperates. I would, however,
> > hate to make that long a
> > trip without a wingman or two. Who else is
> > considering the southerly way
> > home from Cody?
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
>
>
> Use lities Day --> - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> bsp; --> =====================
>
>
> ------------------------------
> See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>.
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Anybody planning on going to Lumberton tomorrow or Sat/Sun for the
Mid-Atlantic fly in?
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mid-Atlantic?? |
I might get there on Sunday.
We are flying with "TeamRV" at "Thunder at Fort Jackson" this Saturday.
James
On 5/17/07, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
> Anybody planning on going to Lumberton tomorrow or Sat/Sun for the
> Mid-Atlantic fly in?
>
> Ed
>
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mid-Atlantic?? |
Ok, thanks, James.
Probably means I won't see a lot of the RVsoutheast gang there, but look
forward to seeing you
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: James Clark
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Mid-Atlantic??
I might get there on Sunday.
We are flying with "TeamRV" at "Thunder at Fort Jackson" this
Saturday.
James
On 5/17/07, Ed Anderson wrote:
Anybody planning on going to Lumberton tomorrow or Sat/Sun for the
Mid-Atlantic fly in?
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
http://forums.matronics.com
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mid-Atlantic?? |
Not this year Ed. Retirement is to busy. Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Mid-Atlantic??
Anybody planning on going to Lumberton tomorrow or Sat/Sun for the
Mid-Atlantic fly in?
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mid-Atlantic?? |
I certainly understand, Cappy. As I mentioned, I'm fixing to start a
small business (no! not hangar building) so I can have more time {:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Mid-Atlantic??
Not this year Ed. Retirement is to busy. Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Mid-Atlantic??
Anybody planning on going to Lumberton tomorrow or Sat/Sun for the
Mid-Atlantic fly in?
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mid-Atlantic?? |
I certainly understand, Cappy. As I mentioned, I'm fixing to start a
small business (no! not hangar building) so I can have more time {:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Mid-Atlantic??
Not this year Ed. Retirement is to busy. Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Mid-Atlantic??
Anybody planning on going to Lumberton tomorrow or Sat/Sun for the
Mid-Atlantic fly in?
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wesley Robinson" <wesleyt(at)stanfordfurniture.com> |
| Subject: | Fly-in at HKY Saturday |
EAA Chapter 731 is holding their spring Fly-in this Saturday at Hickory
Regional.
Breakfast starts at 8AM and Lunch at 12PM.
We are looking forward to a good turnout of RVs, LSAs, and ultralights.
We will be on the north end of the airport and there are no ramp fees.
It is also the grand opening of the Sabre Society Aviation Museum on the
field. Static and flying military aircraft will attend their event.
See our website for more info. http://www.eaa731.org
Wesley T Robinson
wesleyt(at)stanfordfurniture.com
www.wtrconsulting.net
RV-9A N224WR 'The Red Baron'
EAA 731 Vice-President, Web/Newsletter Editor
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
Larry,
I have to fly to FL early tomorrow to work those fires. I will return on June
1st. Thought you might want to get the oxygen today. Let me know.
Ron
>
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Date: 2007/05/24 Thu AM 12:00:24 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
> It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some
day. How about that?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>
> We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
>
> Cappy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Larry Bowen
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
> It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
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>
>
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>
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| From: | luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky) |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke sunday or monday,
depending on the weather. Is there anything, preferably a little further
north, close to the coast like ocracoke to plan on as an alternate? We got
some folks hankerin' for some good conch fritters and some salt air/ocean view
so looking for some alternatives.
thanks in advance,
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some day.
How about that?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
http://forums.matronics.com
some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke sunday
or monday, depending on the weather. Is there anything, preferably
a little further north, close to the coast like ocracoke to plan on as
an alternate? We got some folks hankerin' for some good conch fritters
and some salt air/ocean view so looking for some alternatives.
thanks in advance,
lucky
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com> <BR>Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some day. How about that?<BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Larry Bowen<BR><A href="mailto:Larry@BowenAero.com">Larry@BowenAero.com</A><BR><A href="http://bowenaero.com/">http://BowenAero.com</A> <BR><BR>
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| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
Yeah, Tangier ;-)
-Stormy
...just back from 4 wonderful days on Ocracoke last weekend...
On 5/24/07, lucky wrote:
>
> some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke sunday
> or monday, depending on the weather. Is there anything, preferably a little
> further north, close to the coast like ocracoke to plan on as an
> alternate? We got some folks hankerin' for some good conch fritters and
> some salt air/ocean view so looking for some alternatives.
>
> thanks in advance,
> lucky
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some
> day. How about that?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> >
> > We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
> >
> > Cappy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Larry Bowen
> > *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
> > *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
> >
> > It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
> >
> > --
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> > *
> >
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> > *
> >
> > *
> > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List http://forums.matronics.com
> >
> >
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>
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| From: | <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
Go to Dare County Regional (KMQI). They have a courtesy car and there are several
good seafood restaurants nearby.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
> From: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky)
> Date: 2007/05/24 Thu AM 08:27:07 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
> some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke sunday or
monday, depending on the weather. Is there anything, preferably a little further
north, close to the coast like ocracoke to plan on as an alternate? We got
some folks hankerin' for some good conch fritters and some salt air/ocean view
so looking for some alternatives.
>
> thanks in advance,
> lucky
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some day.
How about that?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>
> It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
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| From: | bob&verna <atbridge(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
How far north would y'all fly? There is a great show at Millville, NJ [MIV], Fri,
Sat & Sun. Blue Angels plus many others.
Would like to see more RV's to droll over.
Bob Atkinson, Lumberton, NJ
-----Original Message-----
>From: lucky <luckymacy(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: May 24, 2007 8:27 AM
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke sunday or monday,
depending on the weather. Is there anything, preferably a little further
north, close to the coast like ocracoke to plan on as an alternate? We got
some folks hankerin' for some good conch fritters and some salt air/ocean view
so looking for some alternatives.
>
>thanks in advance,
>lucky
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some day.
How about that?
>
>--
>Larry Bowen
>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
>
>Cappy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Larry Bowen
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>
>It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
>
>--
>Larry Bowen
>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>href="http://forums.matronics.com">
>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
Your call but I don't think there is much interest. How about
Rutherfordton?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's
some day. How about that?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this
weekend?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
Bob,
Wouldn't that make it the rvNORTHeast-list? ;)
Just kidding, how's the plane coming along?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
bob&verna
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
-->
How far north would y'all fly? There is a great show at Millville, NJ
[MIV], Fri, Sat & Sun. Blue Angels plus many others.
Would like to see more RV's to droll over.
Bob Atkinson, Lumberton, NJ
-----Original Message-----
>From: lucky <luckymacy(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: May 24, 2007 8:27 AM
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke
>sunday or monday, depending on the weather. Is there anything,
>preferably a little further north, close to the coast like ocracoke to
>plan on as an alternate? We got some folks hankerin' for some good
>conch fritters and some salt air/ocean view so looking for some
>alternatives.
>
>thanks in advance,
>lucky
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's
some day. How about that?
>
>--
>Larry Bowen
>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
>
>Cappy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Larry Bowen
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>
>It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
>
>--
>Larry Bowen
>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>href="http://forums.matronics.com">
>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bob&verna <atbridge(at)peoplepc.com> |
Correct, Bill,
Just trying to lure some of the SERV group to my area, can't blame a guy for trying.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Repucci <bill(at)repucci.com>
>Sent: May 24, 2007 7:27 PM
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>
>Bob,
>
>Wouldn't that make it the rvNORTHeast-list? ;)
>
>Just kidding, how's the plane coming along?
>
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>bob&verna
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:16 AM
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>
>-->
>
>How far north would y'all fly? There is a great show at Millville, NJ
>[MIV], Fri, Sat & Sun. Blue Angels plus many others.
>
>Would like to see more RV's to droll over.
>
>
>Bob Atkinson, Lumberton, NJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: lucky <luckymacy(at)comcast.net>
>>Sent: May 24, 2007 8:27 AM
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>>
>>some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke
>>sunday or monday, depending on the weather. Is there anything,
>>preferably a little further north, close to the coast like ocracoke to
>>plan on as an alternate? We got some folks hankerin' for some good
>>conch fritters and some salt air/ocean view so looking for some
>>alternatives.
>>
>>thanks in advance,
>>lucky
>>
>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>>Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's
>some day. How about that?
>>
>>--
>>Larry Bowen
>>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>>On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>>We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
>>
>>Cappy
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Larry Bowen
>>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>>
>>
>>It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
>>
>>--
>>Larry Bowen
>>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>>href="http://forums.matronics.com">
>>http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>>http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>>
>
>
>________________________________________
>
>
________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
Lucky, good choice on W95, call Howards pub for a ride to a Blue crab Sandwich.
We are a little North for Conch Fritters though, it's a too cold for the beasties.
Tad
>
> From: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky)
> Date: 2007/05/24 Thu AM 08:27:07 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
> some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke sunday or
monday, depending on the weather. Is there anything, preferably a little further
north, close to the coast like ocracoke to plan on as an alternate? We got
some folks hankerin' for some good conch fritters and some salt air/ocean view
so looking for some alternatives.
>
> thanks in advance,
> lucky
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some day.
How about that?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>
> It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dwmillsap(at)netzero.net" <dwmillsap(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
Dennis is flying home from Alabama for the weekend, and since it's our f
irstborn's 18th birthday today, I may suggest they fly over for a rendev
ous at W95. What time Sunday? He'll have to fly back to Montgomery on Mo
nday.
Lori
-- wrote:
Lucky, good choice on W95, call Howards pub for a ride to a Blue crab Sa
ndwich. We are a little North for Conch Fritters though, it's a too co
ld for the beasties.
Tad
>
> From: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky)
> Date: 2007/05/24 Thu AM 08:27:07 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
> some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke sun
day or monday, depending on the weather. Is there anything, preferably
a little further north, close to the coast like ocracoke to plan on as
an alternate? We got some folks hankerin' for some good conch fritters
and some salt air/ocean view so looking for some alternatives.
>
> thanks in advance,
> lucky
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's
some day. How about that?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>
> It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky) |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
Well dag gone it, conch fritters are on the menu at Howards' so they better find
some! ;-)
Are the crab cakes the best thing going on there?
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
From: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
>
> Lucky, good choice on W95, call Howards pub for a ride to a Blue crab Sandwich.
> We are a little North for Conch Fritters though, it's a too cold for the
> beasties.
> Tad
> >
> > From: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky)
> > Date: 2007/05/24 Thu AM 08:27:07 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
> >
> > some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke sunday or
> monday, depending on the weather. Is there anything, preferably a little
> further north, close to the coast like ocracoke to plan on as an alternate? We
> got some folks hankerin' for some good conch fritters and some salt air/ocean
> view so looking for some alternatives.
> >
> > thanks in advance,
> > lucky
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Larry Bowen"
> > Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some
> day. How about that?
> >
> > --
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> >
> > On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> > We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
> >
> > Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Larry Bowen
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
> >
> >
> > It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
> >
> > --
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> >
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
Well dag gone it, conch fritters are on the menu at Howards' so they better
find some! ;-)
Are the crab cakes the best thing going on there?
lucky
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by:
>
> Lucky, good choice on W95, call Howards
pub for a ride to a Blue crab Sandwich.
> We are a little North for
Conch Fritters though, it's a too cold for the
> beasties.
> Tad
<BR>> > <BR>> > From: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky) <BR>> >
Date: 2007/05/24 Thu AM 08:27:07 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>
> > some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on
ocracoke sunday or
> monday, depending on the weather. Is there anything,
preferably a little
> further north, close to the coast like ocracoke
to plan on as an alternate? We
> got some f
olks h
ankerin' for some good conch fritters and some salt air/ocean <BR>> view so looking for some alternatives. <BR>> > <BR>> > thanks in advance, <BR>> > lucky <BR>> > <BR>> > -------------- Original message -------------- <BR>> > From: "Larry Bowen" <LARRY@BOWENAERO.COM><BR>> > Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some <BR>> day. How about that? <BR>> > <BR>> > -- <BR>> > Larry Bowen <BR>> > Larry@BowenAero.com <BR>> > http://BowenAero.com <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow <WILLFLY@CAROLINA.RR.COM>wrote: <BR>> > We can make something happen. What sounds good to you. <BR>> > <BR>> > Cappy <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: Larry Bowen <BR>> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com <BR>> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM <BR>> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend <BR>
> &
gt; _-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky) |
| Subject: | Re: M. Day Weekend |
There will be a RV8, RV7 and a RV7A. Our plan is to get to first flight around
9 AM and play tourist for a while. Leave from there direct to W95 so I guess
we'd be there around 11AM. It would be fun to meet some of you from this list
for sure but I understand if you all are burnt out from Ocracoke as it sounds
like you go there relatively frequently.
Have a great weekend.
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "dwmillsap(at)netzero.net" <dwmillsap(at)netzero.net>
Dennis is flying home from Alabama for the weekend, and since it's our firstborn's
18th birthday today, I may suggest they fly over for a rendevous at W95. What
time Sunday? He'll have to fly back to Montgomery on Monday.
Lori
-- wrote:
Lucky, good choice on W95, call Howards pub for a ride to a Blue crab Sandwich.
We are a little North for Conch Fritters though, it's a too cold for the beasties.
Tad
>
> From: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky)
> Date: 2007/05/24 Thu AM 08:27:07 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
> some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke sunday or
monday, depending on the weather. Is there anything, preferably a little further
north, close to the coast like ocracoke to plan on as an alternate? We got
some folks hankerin' for some good conch fritters and some salt air/ocean view
so looking for some alternatives.
>
> thanks in advance,
> lucky
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some day.
How about that?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>
> It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>==============================================
There will be a RV8, RV7 and a RV7A. Our plan is to get to first flight
around 9 AM and play tourist for a while. Leave from there direct to
W95 so I guess we'd be there around 11AM. It would be fun to meet some
of you from this list for sure but I understand if you all are burnt out from
Ocracoke as it sounds like you go there relatively frequently.
Have a great weekend.
Lucky
Dennis is flying home from Alabama for the weekend, and since it's our firstborn's
18th birthday today, I may suggest they fly over for a rendevous at W95.
What time Sunday? He'll have to fly back to Montgomery on Monday.
Lori
-- <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
Lucky, good choice on W95, call Howards pub for a ride to a Blue crab Sandwich. We are a little North for Conch Fritters though, it's a too cold for the beasties.
Tad
>
> From: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky)
> Date: 2007/05/24 Thu AM 08:27:07 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
> some of us from the mid atlantic rv group are planning on ocracoke sunday or monday,&nb
sp;dep
ending on the weather. Is there anything, preferably a little further north, close to the coast like ocracoke to plan on as an alternate? We got some folks hankerin' for some good conch fritters and some salt air/ocean view so looking for some alternatives.
>
> thanks in advance,
> lucky
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Anything is good for me. We keep threatening to go back to Stanton's some day. How about that?
>
> --
>
;
;Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com >>
>
> On 5/24/07, Steve Glasgow <willfly@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> We can make something happen. What sounds good to you.
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: M. Day Weekend
>
>
> It's been quiet lately. Anything RV related going on this weekend?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAer
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> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
How about lunch at Rutherford FQD?
Cappy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Sounds good to me. Outer Banks is tempting, but a quicker trip to FQD fits
my schedule better this time. 12 noon?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/25/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>
> willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>
> How about lunch at Rutherford FQD?
>
> Cappy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Lynnie reminded me late last night that today was the big day at Lowe's
Motorspeedway for NASCAR. This means huge traffic delays around
Concord. As a result I will have to decline on lunch. Sorry Dude. It
lookes like we were the only interested parties anyway.
Oh well another day of Honey Do's and Grandchildren.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Sounds good to me. Outer Banks is tempting, but a quicker trip to FQD
fits my schedule better this time. 12 noon?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/25/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Actually Cappy, tomorrow is the big day for the Cup race at the track.
The race is Sunday night. There is a Busch race tonight. But, the whole
weekend is very busy there. Kinda happy I'm not working the race this
weekend but sure wish I had my airplane back........
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Lynnie reminded me late last night that today was the big day at
Lowe's Motorspeedway for NASCAR. This means huge traffic delays around
Concord. As a result I will have to decline on lunch. Sorry Dude. It
lookes like we were the only interested parties anyway.
Oh well another day of Honey Do's and Grandchildren.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Sounds good to me. Outer Banks is tempting, but a quicker trip to
FQD fits my schedule better this time. 12 noon?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/25/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
No problem. I'm still going.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/26/07, Dale Ensing wrote:
>
> Actually Cappy, tomorrow is the big day for the Cup race at the track.
> The race is Sunday night. There is a Busch race tonight. But, the whole
> weekend is very busy there. Kinda happy I'm not working the race this
> weekend but sure wish I had my airplane back........
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Steve Glasgow
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:10 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
>
> Lynnie reminded me late last night that today was the big day at Lowe's
> Motorspeedway for NASCAR. This means huge traffic delays around Concord.
> As a result I will have to decline on lunch. Sorry Dude. It lookes like we
> were the only interested parties anyway.
>
> Oh well another day of Honey Do's and Grandchildren.
>
> Cappy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Larry Bowen
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 25, 2007 8:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
>
> Sounds good to me. Outer Banks is tempting, but a quicker trip to FQD
> fits my schedule better this time. 12 noon?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> On 5/25/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Are we on for Tuesday then?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Actually Cappy, tomorrow is the big day for the Cup race at the track.
The race is Sunday night. There is a Busch race tonight. But, the whole
weekend is very busy there. Kinda happy I'm not working the race this
weekend but sure wish I had my airplane back........
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Lynnie reminded me late last night that today was the big day at
Lowe's Motorspeedway for NASCAR. This means huge traffic delays around
Concord. As a result I will have to decline on lunch. Sorry Dude. It
lookes like we were the only interested parties anyway.
Oh well another day of Honey Do's and Grandchildren.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Sounds good to me. Outer Banks is tempting, but a quicker trip to
FQD fits my schedule better this time. 12 noon?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/25/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
My plan for Tuesday, if it meets with your approval......and the weather
is satisfactory.
Meet you at your house at 7:00AM and start calling Legends every 15 min.
to get confirmation the plane is ready. We can travel to JQF and get
ready to depart but not do so until I talk to them and get a
satisfactory answer regarding the airplane. I may not get anybody on the
phone until 8AM.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Are we on for Tuesday then?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Actually Cappy, tomorrow is the big day for the Cup race at the
track. The race is Sunday night. There is a Busch race tonight. But, the
whole weekend is very busy there. Kinda happy I'm not working the race
this weekend but sure wish I had my airplane back........
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Lynnie reminded me late last night that today was the big day at
Lowe's Motorspeedway for NASCAR. This means huge traffic delays around
Concord. As a result I will have to decline on lunch. Sorry Dude. It
lookes like we were the only interested parties anyway.
Oh well another day of Honey Do's and Grandchildren.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Sounds good to me. Outer Banks is tempting, but a quicker trip
to FQD fits my schedule better this time. 12 noon?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/25/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Sorry everyone....meant to send this directly to Cappy.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
My plan for Tuesday, if it meets with your approval......and the
weather is satisfactory.
Meet you at your house at 7:00AM and start calling Legends every 15
min. to get confirmation the plane is ready. We can travel to JQF and
get ready to depart but not do so until I talk to them and get a
satisfactory answer regarding the airplane. I may not get anybody on the
phone until 8AM.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Are we on for Tuesday then?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Actually Cappy, tomorrow is the big day for the Cup race at the
track. The race is Sunday night. There is a Busch race tonight. But, the
whole weekend is very busy there. Kinda happy I'm not working the race
this weekend but sure wish I had my airplane back........
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Lynnie reminded me late last night that today was the big day at
Lowe's Motorspeedway for NASCAR. This means huge traffic delays around
Concord. As a result I will have to decline on lunch. Sorry Dude. It
lookes like we were the only interested parties anyway.
Oh well another day of Honey Do's and Grandchildren.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Sounds good to me. Outer Banks is tempting, but a quicker
trip to FQD fits my schedule better this time. 12 noon?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/25/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | new tip up canopy seal |
Help needed for an aged and feeble mind.
A few days ago I told Cappy about seeing info on a new SBS tip-up canopy
front seal an RV builder had developed. My memory is that It was a vinyl
strip with a channel with "teeth" that was pushed on to the skin edge.
He had tested the design and was now going to make a production run of
the product.
Do not remember where I saw this and have tried unsuccessfully to find
this posting again. Was I dreaming? Anybody else see this? Since I have
a slider, I only had a passing interest and did not keep the posting.
Please tell me I haven't completely lost my mind.
Dale Ensing.....if I remember correctly?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new tip up canopy seal |
You remember correctly, Dale.
Pete is sending me a small section of that seal he had laying around for
a test fit to my Tip up.
I sent you his e mail address direct
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Help needed for an aged and feeble mind.
A few days ago I told Cappy about seeing info on a new SBS tip-up
canopy front seal an RV builder had developed. My memory is that It was
a vinyl strip with a channel with "teeth" that was pushed on to the skin
edge. He had tested the design and was now going to make a production
run of the product.
Do not remember where I saw this and have tried unsuccessfully to find
this posting again. Was I dreaming? Anybody else see this? Since I have
a slider, I only had a passing interest and did not keep the posting.
Please tell me I haven't completely lost my mind.
Dale Ensing.....if I remember correctly?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Won't they know Monday afternoon? Tuesday is OK at 7:00 AM.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
My plan for Tuesday, if it meets with your approval......and the
weather is satisfactory.
Meet you at your house at 7:00AM and start calling Legends every 15
min. to get confirmation the plane is ready. We can travel to JQF and
get ready to depart but not do so until I talk to them and get a
satisfactory answer regarding the airplane. I may not get anybody on the
phone until 8AM.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Are we on for Tuesday then?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Actually Cappy, tomorrow is the big day for the Cup race at the
track. The race is Sunday night. There is a Busch race tonight. But, the
whole weekend is very busy there. Kinda happy I'm not working the race
this weekend but sure wish I had my airplane back........
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Lynnie reminded me late last night that today was the big day at
Lowe's Motorspeedway for NASCAR. This means huge traffic delays around
Concord. As a result I will have to decline on lunch. Sorry Dude. It
lookes like we were the only interested parties anyway.
Oh well another day of Honey Do's and Grandchildren.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday
Sounds good to me. Outer Banks is tempting, but a quicker
trip to FQD fits my schedule better this time. 12 noon?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 5/25/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new tip up canopy seal |
Ed can you keep Cappy and Randy posted as to the tip up dam when you get
it.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
You remember correctly, Dale.
Pete is sending me a small section of that seal he had laying around
for a test fit to my Tip up.
I sent you his e mail address direct
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Help needed for an aged and feeble mind.
A few days ago I told Cappy about seeing info on a new SBS tip-up
canopy front seal an RV builder had developed. My memory is that It was
a vinyl strip with a channel with "teeth" that was pushed on to the skin
edge. He had tested the design and was now going to make a production
run of the product.
Do not remember where I saw this and have tried unsuccessfully to
find this posting again. Was I dreaming? Anybody else see this? Since I
have a slider, I only had a passing interest and did not keep the
posting. Please tell me I haven't completely lost my mind.
Dale Ensing.....if I remember correctly?
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
In case you haven't seen this video posted on the SoCal RV list, you need
to!
http://www.thedukes.org/rv/video/20070525%20-%20acro%20&%20spins.wmv
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new tip up canopy seal |
Sure can, Cappy.
I managed to come up with a system that seals my tit up - but its
composed of two seals and I would like a better system. Will see how it
fits when I get it and let you know.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Ed can you keep Cappy and Randy posted as to the tip up dam when you
get it.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
You remember correctly, Dale.
Pete is sending me a small section of that seal he had laying around
for a test fit to my Tip up.
I sent you his e mail address direct
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Help needed for an aged and feeble mind.
A few days ago I told Cappy about seeing info on a new SBS tip-up
canopy front seal an RV builder had developed. My memory is that It was
a vinyl strip with a channel with "teeth" that was pushed on to the skin
edge. He had tested the design and was now going to make a production
run of the product.
Do not remember where I saw this and have tried unsuccessfully to
find this posting again. Was I dreaming? Anybody else see this? Since I
have a slider, I only had a passing interest and did not keep the
posting. Please tell me I haven't completely lost my mind.
Dale Ensing.....if I remember correctly?
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new tip up canopy seal |
Thanks Ed.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Sure can, Cappy.
I managed to come up with a system that seals my tit up - but its
composed of two seals and I would like a better system. Will see how it
fits when I get it and let you know.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Ed can you keep Cappy and Randy posted as to the tip up dam when you
get it.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
You remember correctly, Dale.
Pete is sending me a small section of that seal he had laying
around for a test fit to my Tip up.
I sent you his e mail address direct
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Help needed for an aged and feeble mind.
A few days ago I told Cappy about seeing info on a new SBS
tip-up canopy front seal an RV builder had developed. My memory is that
It was a vinyl strip with a channel with "teeth" that was pushed on to
the skin edge. He had tested the design and was now going to make a
production run of the product.
Do not remember where I saw this and have tried unsuccessfully
to find this posting again. Was I dreaming? Anybody else see this?
Since I have a slider, I only had a passing interest and did not keep
the posting. Please tell me I haven't completely lost my mind.
Dale Ensing.....if I remember correctly?
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new tip up canopy seal |
And me too!!! (James)
Especially with a long trip coming up soon .. there *might* be some rain
somewhere!
James
On 5/27/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>
> Ed can you keep Cappy and Randy posted as to the tip up dam when you get
> it.
>
> Cappy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ed Anderson
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:37 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
>
> You remember correctly, Dale.
>
> Pete is sending me a small section of that seal he had laying around for a
> test fit to my Tip up.
>
> I sent you his e mail address direct
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Dale Ensing
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:25 AM
> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
>
> Help needed for an aged and feeble mind.
>
> A few days ago I told Cappy about seeing info on a new SBS tip-up canopy
> front seal an RV builder had developed. My memory is that It was a vinyl
> strip with a channel with "teeth" that was pushed on to the skin edge. He
> had tested the design and was now going to make a production run of the
> product.
>
> Do not remember where I saw this and have tried unsuccessfully to find
> this posting again. Was I dreaming? Anybody else see this? Since I have a
> slider, I only had a passing interest and did not keep the posting. Please
> tell me I haven't completely lost my mind.
>
> Dale Ensing.....if I remember correctly?
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| From: | "Wayne Williams" <rwayne(at)gamewood.net> |
Excellent! Notice the Air Force haircut?
Wayne
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Bowen
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:38 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SoCal Video
In case you haven't seen this video posted on the SoCal RV list, you need
to!
http://www.thedukes.org/rv/video/20070525%20-%20acro%20
<http://www.thedukes.org/rv/video/20070525%20-%20acro%20&%20spins.wmv>
&%20spins.wmv
--
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Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new tip up canopy seal |
Will do, James
I should get it this week and will let you know
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: James Clark
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
And me too!!! (James)
Especially with a long trip coming up soon .. there *might* be some
rain somewhere!
James
On 5/27/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
Ed can you keep Cappy and Randy posted as to the tip up dam when you
get it.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
You remember correctly, Dale.
Pete is sending me a small section of that seal he had laying
around for a test fit to my Tip up.
I sent you his e mail address direct
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Help needed for an aged and feeble mind.
A few days ago I told Cappy about seeing info on a new SBS
tip-up canopy front seal an RV builder had developed. My memory is that
It was a vinyl strip with a channel with "teeth" that was pushed on to
the skin edge. He had tested the design and was now going to make a
production run of the product.
Do not remember where I saw this and have tried unsuccessfully
to find this posting again. Was I dreaming? Anybody else see this?
Since I have a slider, I only had a passing interest and did not keep
the posting. Please tell me I haven't completely lost my mind.
Dale Ensing.....if I remember correctly?
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">
http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
http://forums.matronics.com
james(at)nextupventures.com .
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new tip up canopy seal |
Gee Ed, did that hurt?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Sure can, Cappy.
I managed to come up with a system that seals my tit up - but its
composed of two seals and I would like a better system. Will see how it
fits when I get it and let you know.
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new tip up canopy seal |
Keep your Tit Up Ed.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Gee Ed, did that hurt?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Sure can, Cappy.
I managed to come up with a system that seals my tit up - but its
composed of two seals and I would like a better system. Will see how it
fits when I get it and let you know.
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new tip up canopy seal |
looks like a Freudian slip on my "tip up", good catch, Dale {:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Gee Ed, did that hurt?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Sure can, Cappy.
I managed to come up with a system that seals my tit up - but its
composed of two seals and I would like a better system. Will see how it
fits when I get it and let you know.
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new tip up canopy seal |
I can see you two are getting about as much as I am {:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Keep your Tit Up Ed.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Gee Ed, did that hurt?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: new tip up canopy seal
Sure can, Cappy.
I managed to come up with a system that seals my tit up - but its
composed of two seals and I would like a better system. Will see how it
fits when I get it and let you know.
Ed
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Insurance Limitations |
Thought some of you might want to be aware of an exchange my insurance
broker/agent and I had regarding a one sentence caveat - that I at least
had not noticed before this year's renewal
Coverage may be limited &/or Different during any restriction fly off
period
This is a restriction put in place by the underwriter (not the broker)
and pertains to the 24-40 hour period required for test phase before
restrictions are removed.
I also asked about the 5 hour test period after a major modification is
made - the response was that any kind of restriction or requirement to
conduct test flights fell under the same caveat.
What the coverage limitations involved was no passenger liability and a
10% increase in deductibles during that period.
Just thought I would mention it - your insurer may of course have
different rules.
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
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| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: return home trip from KCOD |
Hmmmm.
Sedona, Grand Canyon, Monument Valley .. Sounds like another winner! :-)
James
On 5/14/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>
> Stormy one of the best sites I have seen on mountain flying is AOPA.
>
> This is awesome!
> http://flash.aopa.org/asf/mountainFlying/html/flash.cfm
>
> There is more here but you may have to dig through it.
> http://www.aopa.org/members/files/guides/mntfly.html
>
> Next summer I was planning on Sedona, AZ, the Grand Canyon
> and Monument Valley. But it can be done anytime.
>
> If you are planning to cross mountains you will need at least 2000' above
> the
> highest terrain to be safe. I would recommend going around rather than
> over.
> Don't forget temperature corrections for true altitude.
>
> Cappy
>
<>
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal |
I received the Tip Up seal from Peter Hunt, yesterday. Took it out and
test fitted it to my RV-6A Tip Up today.
The seal looks like it will work just fine for the Tip Up. Its has a
"C" section squeezed down (metal C clamp inside the rubber) so it will
firmly slip and clamp over the metal strip just below the perimeter of
the canopy forward bulkhead - the one in front of the instrument panel.
There is a round "bulb" seal on top of the "C" section which the closed
canopy skin will seat on and depress slightly to form a seal.
I am going to order 5 feet for my RV-6A - at $25 hard to beat. My
current kluged up seal using two separate seals will eventually stop
being effective.
I still have the segment of seal I was sent if anyone else around here
(Charlotte,NC) would like to test fit. However, if you do not have your
Tip-Up canopy installed - a fitting probably won't tell you much.
It appears that the only critical thing is that you located the metal
lip correctly along the bulkhead - if too low, the forward canopy skin
would probably not come down on the seal sufficient to compress it. If
too high - well, you have other problems - like closing the canopy {:>)
Here is Pete's description of his seal in case mine was unclear: My
"C" shaped gasket just slides over the rear edge of this joggle. What
makes my seal work is this. Running along the top of my "C" shaped seal
is a tiny round flexible tube. The glareshield of the canopy extends
forward of the plexiglass (outside) about 5 inches and this forward edge
closes into/over the joggle. The tiny round tube running along the top
of my "C" seal makes contact with the canopy under the front edge of the
canopy when it is closed. Nothing is visible. Just remove Van's seal
from on top of the joggle and slide mine onto the rear edge of the
joggle. No adhesive needed
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal II |
Forgot to include Pete's e mail in case any are interested in contacting
him. It is:
PeterHunt1(at)aol.com
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
Cc: PeterHunt1(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal
I received the Tip Up seal from Peter Hunt, yesterday. Took it out and
test fitted it to my RV-6A Tip Up today.
The seal looks like it will work just fine for the Tip Up. Its has a
"C" section squeezed down (metal C clamp inside the rubber) so it will
firmly slip and clamp over the metal strip just below the perimeter of
the canopy forward bulkhead - the one in front of the instrument panel.
There is a round "bulb" seal on top of the "C" section which the closed
canopy skin will seat on and depress slightly to form a seal.
I am going to order 5 feet for my RV-6A - at $25 hard to beat. My
current kluged up seal using two separate seals will eventually stop
being effective.
I still have the segment of seal I was sent if anyone else around here
(Charlotte,NC) would like to test fit. However, if you do not have your
Tip-Up canopy installed - a fitting probably won't tell you much.
It appears that the only critical thing is that you located the metal
lip correctly along the bulkhead - if too low, the forward canopy skin
would probably not come down on the seal sufficient to compress it. If
too high - well, you have other problems - like closing the canopy {:>)
Here is Pete's description of his seal in case mine was unclear: My
"C" shaped gasket just slides over the rear edge of this joggle. What
makes my seal work is this. Running along the top of my "C" shaped seal
is a tiny round flexible tube. The glareshield of the canopy extends
forward of the plexiglass (outside) about 5 inches and this forward edge
closes into/over the joggle. The tiny round tube running along the top
of my "C" seal makes contact with the canopy under the front edge of the
canopy when it is closed. Nothing is visible. Just remove Van's seal
from on top of the joggle and slide mine onto the rear edge of the
joggle. No adhesive needed
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal |
Ed, Cappy will take the sample of the seal. Can you give it to Bill C
and I will get it from him.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com ; RV-List
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal
I received the Tip Up seal from Peter Hunt, yesterday. Took it out
and test fitted it to my RV-6A Tip Up today.
The seal looks like it will work just fine for the Tip Up. Its has a
"C" section squeezed down (metal C clamp inside the rubber) so it will
firmly slip and clamp over the metal strip just below the perimeter of
the canopy forward bulkhead - the one in front of the instrument panel.
There is a round "bulb" seal on top of the "C" section which the closed
canopy skin will seat on and depress slightly to form a seal.
I am going to order 5 feet for my RV-6A - at $25 hard to beat. My
current kluged up seal using two separate seals will eventually stop
being effective.
I still have the segment of seal I was sent if anyone else around here
(Charlotte,NC) would like to test fit. However, if you do not have your
Tip-Up canopy installed - a fitting probably won't tell you much.
It appears that the only critical thing is that you located the
metal lip correctly along the bulkhead - if too low, the forward
canopy skin would probably not come down on the seal sufficient to
compress it. If too high - well, you have other problems - like closing
the canopy {:>)
Here is Pete's description of his seal in case mine was unclear: My
"C" shaped gasket just slides over the rear edge of this joggle. What
makes my seal work is this. Running along the top of my "C" shaped seal
is a tiny round flexible tube. The glareshield of the canopy extends
forward of the plexiglass (outside) about 5 inches and this forward edge
closes into/over the joggle. The tiny round tube running along the top
of my "C" seal makes contact with the canopy under the front edge of the
canopy when it is closed. Nothing is visible. Just remove Van's seal
from on top of the joggle and slide mine onto the rear edge of the
joggle. No adhesive needed
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal |
Ok, Cappy. Next time I see Bill, I'll give him the snip of seal I got.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal
Ed, Cappy will take the sample of the seal. Can you give it to Bill C
and I will get it from him.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com ; RV-List
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal
I received the Tip Up seal from Peter Hunt, yesterday. Took it out
and test fitted it to my RV-6A Tip Up today.
The seal looks like it will work just fine for the Tip Up. Its has
a "C" section squeezed down (metal C clamp inside the rubber) so it will
firmly slip and clamp over the metal strip just below the perimeter of
the canopy forward bulkhead - the one in front of the instrument panel.
There is a round "bulb" seal on top of the "C" section which the closed
canopy skin will seat on and depress slightly to form a seal.
I am going to order 5 feet for my RV-6A - at $25 hard to beat. My
current kluged up seal using two separate seals will eventually stop
being effective.
I still have the segment of seal I was sent if anyone else around
here (Charlotte,NC) would like to test fit. However, if you do not have
your Tip-Up canopy installed - a fitting probably won't tell you much.
It appears that the only critical thing is that you located the
metal lip correctly along the bulkhead - if too low, the forward
canopy skin would probably not come down on the seal sufficient to
compress it. If too high - well, you have other problems - like closing
the canopy {:>)
Here is Pete's description of his seal in case mine was unclear:
My "C" shaped gasket just slides over the rear edge of this joggle.
What makes my seal work is this. Running along the top of my "C" shaped
seal is a tiny round flexible tube. The glareshield of the canopy
extends forward of the plexiglass (outside) about 5 inches and this
forward edge closes into/over the joggle. The tiny round tube running
along the top of my "C" seal makes contact with the canopy under the
front edge of the canopy when it is closed. Nothing is visible. Just
remove Van's seal from on top of the joggle and slide mine onto the rear
edge of the joggle. No adhesive needed
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Have a Great Trip to Yellowstone |
For all you guys heading out West ... fly safe .. have fun ... and takes
lots of pictures and movies ...
We want to see them when you return !!
Len
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Have a Great Trip to Yellowstone |
Thanks Len.
And we want you to FLY DOWN and see them! Good luck on getting it all back
together and in the air.
James
... too much left to do and too little time
On 6/6/07, Lenleg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> For all you guys heading out West ... fly safe .. have fun ... and takes
> lots of pictures and movies ...
>
> We want to see them when you return !!
>
> Len
>
>
> ------------------------------
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>
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| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Have a Great Trip to Yellowstone |
Thanks for the use of the book, Len. I've almost had time to finish it.
See you when we get back.
Stormy's Fly-In is the 30th; get ready! No wheel pant fires allowed this
time, Leggs.
-BB
On 6/6/07, Lenleg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> For all you guys heading out West ... fly safe .. have fun ... and takes
> lots of pictures and movies ...
>
> We want to see them when you return !!
>
> Len
>
>
> ------------------------------
> See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>.
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Yellowstone trip update |
--- bill crothers wrote:
> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:37:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Yellowstone trip update
> To: SERV
>
> In order to keep everyone informed, I am doing a
> 'diary' style update of the trip currently under
> way.
> all you rivet pounders and others wishing you were
> here can get excited so you can take the next
> 'excellent adventure'...Left SVH at 8:30 or so
> headed
> to LWV. 10 RVs...under Capt. Cappy's supervision. 2
> 1/2 hrs. later, after smooth flt. at 8500', we
> brought
> 3 flights down thru bumpy air to land in 18G28knot
> winds at LWV in Illinois. Winds at altitude were
> stiff..40-50k, but amazingly calm except below
> 3500'.
> Second leg of 2.1 hrs was similar, however, we
> proved
> the strength and reliability of the RV aircraft as
> everyone got the thrill? of landing in 28G36 knot
> winds at Ottumwa Iowa. Needless to say, landing roll
> was nearly non-existant. After gassing up at
> 4.45/gallon (ouch), we pulled birds into hanger and
> headed to town before a major downpour began...good
> timing. Dinner at a local steakhouse followed
> several
> draft beers at 2 for 1 prices. We trust all will
> sleep
> well at the Ottumwa Hotel after a fun, but tiring
> day.
> The 4 female passengers were real troopers thru it
> all. As James said "those aren't bumps-just lite
> chop...Tomorrow we head to Custer, Wy. behind the
> passing front to buzz around Mt. Rushmore, visit
> Deadwood and Sturgis, S>D> and spend another restful
> nite. More to follow. Enjoy the 1st pix. RenoRed.
>
>
>
>
>
> Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000
> hotels
> in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your
> fit.
> http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time
with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
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| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Yellowstone trip update |
Thanks for the report.. this is awesome.. and yes, we are wishing we were
there.
Have fun and keep us updated.
Radomir
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| From: | Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Yellowstone trip update |
Thanks for the update and pics. I was hoping someone was going to do it. Please
keep them coming. We appreciate it.
Bill Settle
-8 wings... still
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| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
Arrrrrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!! Worked until 9:00 last night on mine--while you gu
ys were drinking beer, no doubt. Taking off at noon today to continue the ef
fort!! Keep the "motivational tapes" coming!
Lee...
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1. 08:04 PM - Fw: Yellowstone trip update (bill crothers)
2. 08:33 PM - Re: Fw: Yellowstone trip update (Radomir Zaric)
________________________________ Message 1 ________________________________
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From: bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: Yellowstone trip update
--- bill crothers wrote:
> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:37:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Yellowstone trip update
> To: SERV
>
> In order to keep everyone informed, I am doing a
> 'diary' style update of the trip currently under
> way.
> all you rivet pounders and others wishing you were
> here can get excited so you can take the next
> 'excellent adventure'...Left SVH at 8:30 or so
> headed
> to LWV. 10 RVs...under Capt. Cappy's supervision. 2
> 1/2 hrs. later, after smooth flt. at 8500', we
> brought
> 3 flights down thru bumpy air to land in 18G28knot
> winds at LWV in Illinois. Winds at altitude were
> stiff..40-50k, but amazingly calm except below
> 3500'.
> Second leg of 2.1 hrs was similar, however, we
> proved
> the strength and reliability of the RV aircraft as
> everyone got the thrill? of landing in 28G36 knot
> winds at Ottumwa Iowa. Needless to say, landing roll
> was nearly non-existant. After gassing up at
> 4.45/gallon (ouch), we pulled birds into hanger and
> headed to town before a major downpour began...good
> timing. Dinner at a local steakhouse followed
> several
> draft beers at 2 for 1 prices. We trust all will
> sleep
> well at the Ottumwa Hotel after a fun, but tiring
> day.
> The 4 female passengers were real troopers thru it
> all. As James said "those aren't bumps-just lite
> chop...Tomorrow we head to Custer, Wy. behind the
> passing front to buzz around Mt. Rushmore, visit
> Deadwood and Sturgis, S>D> and spend another restful
> nite. More to follow. Enjoy the 1st pix. RenoRed.
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: Yellowstone trip update
Thanks for the report.. this is awesome.. and yes, we are wishing we were
there.
Have fun and keep us updated.
Radomir
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
Next big update w/ pix coming later today. We all
made it to Cody in fine shape 1 hr. ago. AWESOME,
UNBELIEVABLE scenery on the leg from Custer to Cody.
You won't believe the pix. Perfect wx. and great
friends enjoying life. Don't miss the next trip.
Stay tuned Reno.
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| From: | N8391Mike(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal |
what is the info to contact Peter Hunt to order the seals for the tip up.
Andre Robert
RV6 tip up.
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal |
Hi Andre,
Pete Hunt is offering the seal for $5.00/foot or $25 for the five feet
needed. I've order one.
Also he has a neat storage kit for the back of the seat.
Here is Pete's e mail: PeterHunt1(at)aol.com
Here is his mail address
Pete Hunt
849 Harbor Island
Clearwater, FL 33767
727-447-6409
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: N8391Mike(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fit of Tip Up Canopy Seal
what is the info to contact Peter Hunt to order the seals for the tip
up.
Andre Robert
RV6 tip up.
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Yellowstone update-6/11. |
Sunday was 'visit Yellowstone day'. Reporting for
some of us, since 4 cars headed in different
directions. 350 road miles and 12 hrs. were spent
seeing the sites, some shown in pix in next e-mail.
Great weather-60s w/ occasional rain/sun. Our group
saw antelope, bison(thousands)..looked like typical
cow pastures back home,wolves, elk, and others report
seeing black bear and grizzlies. everything is
natural here, so animals go where they want and people
five way and watch w/ caameras in hand. we passed
numerous hot steam holes and rivers. smell of sulfur
was abundant. Finally arrived at and admired 'Old
Faithful'. its neat, but not exciting. will have pix
of it later. After wonderful meal on the way back
(its 100 miles from Geyser to Cody) we hit the sack
and got much needed rest. Today, Monday was spent
shopping and bar-hopping in Cody, a really unique and
clean coyboy town, western hats everywhere. Ate lunch
and imbibed at Irma's Hotel where Buffalo Bill ran his
operation in late 1800s. the Cherrywood bar given to
him by Queen of England is still there and our pix
will show us eating, drinking and smiling. Tomorrow
we depart at oh light thirty to begin journey home.
Glad to see you are getting much needed rain, but hold
off Wed. a.m. so we can get in. More later, Reno.
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Yellowstone update-6/11. |
Thanks for update Bill. Good looking "street walkers" leaning against the
lamp post.
Dale
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
Another update..more pix to come as the dust settles.
Most all are back by now. Ben, Larry and I made it in
this p.m. just in front of stormy wx. from near
Springfield, Ill. Larry shows we did over 3000 miles
in about 22 hrs. of course, virtually every leg was
into headwinds. The adventure is ending, but the
memories are just beginning...stay tuned. Reno
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Flyin Breakfast at Rowan County? |
I have on my calendar a note about a Flyin breakfast this Saturday a
Rowan county. Can anyone on the list confirm that is the case and where
I could get more details - like time.
Thanks
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flyin Breakfast at Rowan County? |
I'll check, but I don't believe the "last Sunday brunch" or the "first
Saturday lunch" is this weekend. Maybe there is something else going on.
I'll ask and report back.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 6/13/07, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
> I have on my calendar a note about a Flyin breakfast this Saturday a
> Rowan county. Can anyone on the list confirm that is the case and where I
> could get more details - like time.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flyin Breakfast at Rowan County? |
Thanks, Larry
I had thought there was a second Saturday breakfast. However, I notice
there is one this Saturday at Gastonia, so perhaps I got that confused
with Rowan County activity.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flyin Breakfast at Rowan County?
I'll check, but I don't believe the "last Sunday brunch" or the "first
Saturday lunch" is this weekend. Maybe there is something else going
on. I'll ask and report back.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 6/13/07, Ed Anderson wrote:
I have on my calendar a note about a Flyin breakfast this Saturday a
Rowan county. Can anyone on the list confirm that is the case and where
I could get more details - like time.
Thanks
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
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| From: | "Tim Bolton" <timbolton(at)therv7.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flyin Breakfast at Rowan County? |
EAA 309 Breakfast Fly-In at Gastonia, NC Saturday, June 16
More info: http://www.eaa309.org/Events/Gastonia/index.html
I look forward to seeing some of you there.
Tim Bolton
Charlotte, NC
www.TheRV7.com
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Yellowstone recap |
Interesting stats...22.2 hours/164 gallons=7.4 gph for
the trip and ave. speed incl. taxi etc. of 135
knots...seems we always had headwind, so 140 or so was
probably realistic. Never ran over 65% power. Ave.
fuel price about $4=$650 fuel cost...not too bad. hi
px. $4.85 (except for Tad in St louis) Low $3.56 in
Taylorville, Ill. Dure others will check in later w/
their ###s. Reno
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gary A. Sobek <gary(at)rvdar.com>
The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my
eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that
had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries
reported in the story.
A link to the story.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412
Here are the photos taken while it was flipping.
http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose
gear for a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had
failed, I did not put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was
supposedly no longer needed. However, I noticed right after landing and
during high speed taxi that there was a sensation as if the nose wheel
was tucking back and then pulling forward. I did not like the sensation
so I put wooden stiffeners back on the nose gear.
Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger
prop. I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of
sink, etc. To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the
throttle all the way back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph
airspeed and dropped out of the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to
get the stick back into my stomach before (fortunately) hitting on the
two main gear, bounced into the air for another 4-6 feet this time
dragging the rudder fairings (yes, still had the stick tucked back to my
backbone), and eventually came to a stop (right side up and on the
runway at Goosecreek).
Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as
well as do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but
fortunately the nose never tucked under which would have surely had me
doing the infamous RV-6A nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the
nose gear, I found the two wooden stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the
gear had both broken. I am convinced that had I not had the stiffeners
that the ending would not have been as happy.
Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on the
phenomena to verify my theory{:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gary A. Sobek <gary(at)rvdar.com>
To: SoCAL-RVlist(at)yahoogroups.com
The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my
eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that
had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries
reported in the story.
A link to the story.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412
Here are the photos taken while it was flipping.
http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
Maybe he hit a rabbit?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose
gear for a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had
failed, I did not put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was
supposedly no longer needed. However, I noticed right after landing and
during high speed taxi that there was a sensation as if the nose wheel
was tucking back and then pulling forward. I did not like the sensation
so I put wooden stiffeners back on the nose gear.
Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger
prop. I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of
sink, etc. To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the
throttle all the way back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph
airspeed and dropped out of the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to
get the stick back into my stomach before (fortunately) hitting on the
two main gear, bounced into the air for another 4-6 feet this time
dragging the rudder fairings (yes, still had the stick tucked back to my
backbone), and eventually came to a stop (right side up and on the
runway at Goosecreek).
Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as
well as do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but
fortunately the nose never tucked under which would have surely had me
doing the infamous RV-6A nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the
nose gear, I found the two wooden stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the
gear had both broken. I am convinced that had I not had the stiffeners
that the ending would not have been as happy.
Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on
the phenomena to verify my theory{:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything
right....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gary A. Sobek <gary(at)rvdar.com>
To: SoCAL-RVlist(at)yahoogroups.com
The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my
eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A
that
had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries
reported in the story.
A link to the story.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412
Here are the photos taken while it was flipping.
http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John S Cargill <sportflying(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
In the photos where is the nose wheel pant?
Steve Glasgow wrote: Maybe he hit a rabbit?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose gear for
a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had failed, I did not
put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was supposedly no longer needed.
However, I noticed right after landing and during high speed taxi that there
was a sensation as if the nose wheel was tucking back and then pulling forward.
I did not like the sensation so I put wooden stiffeners back on the nose
gear.
Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger prop.
I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of sink, etc.
To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the throttle all the way
back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph airspeed and dropped out of
the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to get the stick back into my stomach
before (fortunately) hitting on the two main gear, bounced into the air for
another 4-6 feet this time dragging the rudder fairings (yes, still had the stick
tucked back to my backbone), and eventually came to a stop (right side up
and on the runway at Goosecreek).
Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as well as
do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but fortunately the
nose never tucked under which would have surely had me doing the infamous RV-6A
nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the nose gear, I found the two wooden
stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the gear had both broken. I am convinced
that had I not had the stiffeners that the ending would not have been as happy.
Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on the phenomena
to verify my theory{:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gary A. Sobek <gary(at)rvdar.com>
The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my
eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that
had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries
reported in the story.
A link to the story.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412
Here are the photos taken while it was flipping.
http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
John S Cargill
919 605 8222
Let Us Make Your Experimental Dreams Come True
www.2bumsaircraft.com
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | East Coast to Yellowstone! |
Several RV's from the east coast went to Cody, WY last week to check out
Yellowstone. What an adventure! For me, it ranks right up there with the
first flight as far as accomplishments go! Notes, pics and video here:
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/06/yellowstone_200.html
Enjoy.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | East Coast to Yellowstone! |
Larry,
Great pictures! We hope to join you next year. Possibly on the way to
AK.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Bowen
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: East Coast to Yellowstone!
Several RV's from the east coast went to Cody, WY last week to check out
Yellowstone. What an adventure! For me, it ranks right up there with
the first flight as far as accomplishments go! Notes, pics and video
here:
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/06/yellowstone_200.html
Enjoy.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
The original thread mentions that he had removed the nose wheel pant
prior to the flight, for reasons unknown.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John S
Cargill
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
In the photos where is the nose wheel pant?
Steve Glasgow wrote:
Maybe he hit a rabbit?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson <mailto:eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose
gear for a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had
failed, I did not put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was
supposedly no longer needed. However, I noticed right after landing and
during high speed taxi that there was a sensation as if the nose wheel
was tucking back and then pulling forward. I did not like the sensation
so I put wooden stiffeners back on the nose gear.
Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger
prop. I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of
sink, etc. To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the
throttle all the way back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph
airspeed and dropped out of the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to
get the stick back into my stomach before (fortunately) hitting on the
two main gear, bounced into the air for another 4-6 feet this time
dragging the rudder fairings (yes, still had the stick tucked back to my
backbone), and eventually came to a stop (right side up and on the
runway at Goosecreek).
Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as
well as do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but
fortunately the nose never tucked under which would have surely had me
doing the infamous RV-6A nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the
nose gear, I found the two wooden stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the
gear had both broken. I am convinced that had I not had the stiffeners
that the ending would not have been as happy.
Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on the
phenomena to verify my theory{:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry <mailto:Larry(at)bowenaero.com> Bowen
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gary A. Sobek <gary(at)rvdar.com>
The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my
eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that
had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries
reported in the story.
A link to the story.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412
<http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412>
Here are the photos taken while it was flipping.
http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html
<http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html>
http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Hi All,
Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it before? Doesn't
have to be something profitable or even fun, just do it because???? Read
on.
There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina, according to
my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would like to visit
all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that but how many have done
it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is 4.58 airports per hour.
I doubt you could do a full stop landing at each one, but a touch-and-go is
feasable, isn't it?
I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this point, but it
keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one problem and that is how
to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I entered the coordinates
of all 110 into a database is there a program that could give me a flight plan
that would minimize the distance between them all? I could just spread the
map out on the dining room table and start connecting the dots, but that doesn't
seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a program? And while we are at it,
does anybody know if this has ever been tried or done before?
I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if it is possible
and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
Ron "Smokey" Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so called
"travelling salesman" problem.
I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
James
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just do it
> because???? Read on.
>
> There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would
> like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that but how
> many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is
> 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at each
> one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
>
> I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this point,
> but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one problem and
> that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I entered
> the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that could
> give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them all? I
> could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start connecting
> the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever been
> tried or done before?
>
> I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if it
> is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
>
> I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
>
> Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | NC Airports - 110 destinations |
I've thought of something like that..
I think it has been done in other states.. forgot which one it was.
Anyways, put "Traveling Salesman Problem" in Google and see if you find the
right software... that'll solve the main problem -- how to visit each place
once, and only once while minimizing time/gas/money spent on the trip.
Good luck!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
Hi All,
Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it before?
Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just do it because????
Read on.
There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would
like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that but how
many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is 4.58
airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at each one,
but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this point, but
it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one problem and that
is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I entered the
coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that could give me
a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them all? I could
just spread the map out on the dining room table and start connecting the
dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a program?
And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever been tried or
done before?
I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if it is
possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
Ron "Smokey" Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net.
http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see more
pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going over. Here
is some of the text from the link:
"Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft Farm on
9th June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and
with some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and
when it came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have handled
it, how bizarre!"
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Repucci
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
The original thread mentions that he had removed the nose wheel pant
prior to the flight, for reasons unknown.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John S
Cargill
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
In the photos where is the nose wheel pant?
Steve Glasgow wrote:
Maybe he hit a rabbit?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson <mailto:eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose
gear for a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had
failed, I did not put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was
supposedly no longer needed. However, I noticed right after landing and
during high speed taxi that there was a sensation as if the nose wheel
was tucking back and then pulling forward. I did not like the sensation
so I put wooden stiffeners back on the nose gear.
Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger
prop. I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of
sink, etc. To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the
throttle all the way back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph
airspeed and dropped out of the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to
get the stick back into my stomach before (fortunately) hitting on the
two main gear, bounced into the air for another 4-6 feet this time
dragging the rudder fairings (yes, still had the stick tucked back to my
backbone), and eventually came to a stop (right side up and on the
runway at Goosecreek).
Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as
well as do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but
fortunately the nose never tucked under which would have surely had me
doing the infamous RV-6A nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the
nose gear, I found the two wooden stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the
gear had both broken. I am convinced that had I not had the stiffeners
that the ending would not have been as happy.
Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on the
phenomena to verify my theory{:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry <mailto:Larry(at)bowenaero.com> Bowen
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gary A. Sobek <gary(at)rvdar.com>
The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my
eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that
had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries
reported in the story.
A link to the story.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412
<http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412>
Here are the photos taken while it was flipping.
http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html
<http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html>
http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: East Coast to Yellowstone! |
Larry, Great contribution to the list, as always. Thanks!
>
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Date: 2007/06/16 Sat PM 09:36:03 EST
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com, rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: East Coast to Yellowstone!
>
> Several RV's from the east coast went to Cody, WY last week to check out
> Yellowstone. What an adventure! For me, it ranks right up there with the
> first flight as far as accomplishments go! Notes, pics and video here:
>
> http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/06/yellowstone_200.html
>
> Enjoy.
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
I tried to do just 16 airports in 4 hours in my Luscombe one time. Tough to do,
didn't quite make it. Let us know if you try.
Bill Settle
-8 Wings.
>
> From: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 07:10:05 EST
> To:
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it before? Doesn't
have to be something profitable or even fun, just do it because???? Read
on.
>
> There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina, according
to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would like to visit
all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that but how many have done
it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is 4.58 airports per hour.
I doubt you could do a full stop landing at each one, but a touch-and-go
is feasable, isn't it?
>
> I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this point, but it
keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one problem and that is
how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I entered the coordinates
of all 110 into a database is there a program that could give me a flight
plan that would minimize the distance between them all? I could just spread
the map out on the dining room table and start connecting the dots, but that doesn't
seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a program? And while we are at
it, does anybody know if this has ever been tried or done before?
>
> I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if it is possible
and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
>
> I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
>
> Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
| From: | "Paul D. Franzon" <paulf(at)ncsu.edu> |
in math, this is referred to as the 'traveling salesman' problem. A google search
should turn up some sample codes. Wikipedia most likely has a good entry
with sample codes.
This might qualify as an FAI record if you do it and document it right.
Paul Franzon
919 515 7351
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
Subj: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
Date: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:10 am
Size: 2K
Hi All,
Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it before? Doesn't
have to be something profitable or even fun, just do it because???? Read
on.
There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina, according to
my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would like to visit
all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that but how many have done
it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is 4.58 airports per hour.
I doubt you could do a full stop landing at each one, but a touch-and-go is
feasable, isn't it?
I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this point, but it
keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one problem and that is how
to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I entered the coordinates
of all 110 into a database is there a program that could give me a flight plan
that would minimize the distance between them all? I could just spread the
map out on the dining room table and start connecting the dots, but that doesn't
seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a program? And while we are at it,
does anybody know if this has ever been tried or done before?
I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if it is possible
and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
Ron "Smokey" Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
And a special case of "traveling salesman" is the Hamiltonian Cycle (or
Path) Problem ... Start at point "a", traverse all once and end up at "a"
using shortest path (or least resources).
VERY difficult to solve as the number of points go up.
My guess is that more hours will be spent trying to solve for "the best"
route than it would take to fly **A** route. :-)
James
On 6/17/07, Paul D. Franzon wrote:
>
>
> in math, this is referred to as the 'traveling salesman' problem. A
> google search should turn up some sample codes. Wikipedia most likely has a
> good entry with sample codes.
>
> This might qualify as an FAI record if you do it and document it right.
>
> Paul Franzon
> 919 515 7351
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> Subj: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> Date: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:10 am
> Size: 2K
> To:
>
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just do it
> because???? Read on.
>
> There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would
> like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that but how
> many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is
> 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at each
> one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
>
> I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this point,
> but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one problem and
> that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I entered
> the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that could
> give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them all? I
> could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start connecting
> the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever been
> tried or done before?
>
> I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if it
> is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
>
> I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
>
> Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Ron, As you know, I've been in sales/service in NC for
40 yrs...I started tracking airports sometime back and
have now covered 79 in NC and nearly 300 world-wide
counting this last trip. Why not set up a plan to
visit all over some realistic time period including
full stops? Your log book would make for interesting
reading. You would surely be in a small but growing
club just by logging them all...BTW, at least 3 of my
NC airports are now closed...Reno.
--- Ron Schreck wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Ever have the urge to do something just because
> nobody has done it before? Doesn't have to be
> something profitable or even fun, just do it
> because???? Read on.
>
> There are 110 public airports in the great state of
> North Carolina, according to my NCDOT, Division of
> Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would like to
> visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have
> done that but how many have done it in one day?
> Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is 4.58
> airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop
> landing at each one, but a touch-and-go is feasable,
> isn't it?
>
> I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my
> mind at this point, but it keeps rattling around in
> there. I keep stumbling on one problem and that is
> how to optomize the route between all 110 airports.
> If I entered the coordinates of all 110 into a
> database is there a program that could give me a
> flight plan that would minimize the distance between
> them all? I could just spread the map out on the
> dining room table and start connecting the dots, but
> that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such
> a program? And while we are at it, does anybody
> know if this has ever been tried or done before?
>
> I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do
> the math, see if it is possible and then, who knows,
> when the weather is right......
>
> I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
>
> Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
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| From: | Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something to do with the
farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
Smokey
>
> From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
> I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
>
> People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so called
> "travelling salesman" problem.
>
> I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
>
> James
>
>
> On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
> >
> > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just do it
> > because???? Read on.
> >
> > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would
> > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that but how
> > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is
> > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at each
> > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> >
> > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this point,
> > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one problem and
> > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I entered
> > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that could
> > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them all? I
> > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start connecting
> > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever been
> > tried or done before?
> >
> > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if it
> > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> >
> > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> >
> > Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> james(at)nextupventures.com .
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Bill,
Back in '95 when Celanese transferred me to Charlotte Metrolina Expo was
still listed on the sectionals as an airport but it was closed and had
been closed for some time, as near as I can tell.
When did it actually close?
And a bit of airport trivia.
The Grandfather of one of my employees founded Miller Airpark. He told
me on Friday that his Grandfather crashed and burned on the field some
time back and is buried there, along with what is left of his plane.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill
crothers
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
-->
Ron, As you know, I've been in sales/service in NC for
40 yrs...I started tracking airports sometime back and
have now covered 79 in NC and nearly 300 world-wide
counting this last trip. Why not set up a plan to
visit all over some realistic time period including
full stops? Your log book would make for interesting
reading. You would surely be in a small but growing
club just by logging them all...BTW, at least 3 of my
NC airports are now closed...Reno.
--- Ron Schreck wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Ever have the urge to do something just because
> nobody has done it before? Doesn't have to be
> something profitable or even fun, just do it
> because???? Read on.
>
> There are 110 public airports in the great state of
> North Carolina, according to my NCDOT, Division of
> Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would like to
> visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have
> done that but how many have done it in one day?
> Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is 4.58
> airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop
> landing at each one, but a touch-and-go is feasable,
> isn't it?
>
> I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my
> mind at this point, but it keeps rattling around in
> there. I keep stumbling on one problem and that is
> how to optomize the route between all 110 airports.
> If I entered the coordinates of all 110 into a
> database is there a program that could give me a
> flight plan that would minimize the distance between
> them all? I could just spread the map out on the
> dining room table and start connecting the dots, but
> that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such
> a program? And while we are at it, does anybody
> know if this has ever been tried or done before?
>
> I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do
> the math, see if it is possible and then, who knows,
> when the weather is right......
>
> I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
>
> Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Ooooh, Kathy's gonna smack you for that one!
This record attempt sounds like a lot of night T&G's to me. No thanks. But
I agree with Reno that just logging all 110 sounds like a nice record to
have in your logbook.
The detour south was fabulous and well worth it. Never talked to center,
never even felt the need to file a flight plan, and only twice the whole way
did we see traffic outside of a landing pattern that could have been a
factor to us. I must confess I did talk to Flight Watch quite a bit from
Oklahoma home, which would have been unnecessary had i had a 396. I believe
Santa Claus is also convinced that in-flight Wx is a must before the next
long x/c; we'll see if she comes through for me.
I'll be retrieving the plane from KLWB today after church, so I can claim to
be officially home as of this afternoon.
Lots of sprucing up to do around here before June 30th.
-Stormy
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
>
> What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something to do
> with the farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> >
> > I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
> >
> > People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so called
> > "travelling salesman" problem.
> >
> > I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
> > >
> > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> > > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just do
> it
> > > because???? Read on.
> > >
> > > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> > > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I
> would
> > > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that
> but how
> > > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is
> > > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at
> each
> > > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> > >
> > > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this
> point,
> > > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one
> problem and
> > > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I
> entered
> > > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that
> could
> > > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them
> all? I
> > > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start
> connecting
> > > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> > > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever
> been
> > > tried or done before?
> > >
> > > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if
> it
> > > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> > >
> > > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> > >
> > > Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> > james(at)nextupventures.com .
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
I think VA has a program where they award pilots who have done this...a
plaque or something. I think some on the list were working on it. Not in a
day tho, maybe a year instead....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 6/17/07, James Clark wrote:
>
> And a special case of "traveling salesman" is the Hamiltonian Cycle (or
> Path) Problem ... Start at point "a", traverse all once and end up at "a"
> using shortest path (or least resources).
>
> VERY difficult to solve as the number of points go up.
>
> My guess is that more hours will be spent trying to solve for "the best"
> route than it would take to fly **A** route. :-)
>
> James
>
>
> On 6/17/07, Paul D. Franzon wrote:
> >
> > paulf(at)ncsu.edu>
> >
> > in math, this is referred to as the 'traveling salesman' problem. A
> > google search should turn up some sample codes. Wikipedia most likely has
a
> > good entry with sample codes.
> >
> > This might qualify as an FAI record if you do it and document it right.
> >
> > Paul Franzon
> > 919 515 7351
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > Subj: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > Date: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:10 am
> > Size: 2K
> > To:
> >
> > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just do it
> > because???? Read on.
> >
> > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would
> > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that but how
> > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is
> > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at
> > each one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> >
> > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this point,
> > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one problem and
> > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I entered
> > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that could
> > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them all? I
> > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start connecting
> > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever been
> > tried or done before?
> >
> > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if it
> > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> >
> > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> >
> > Ron "Smokey" Schreck james(at)nextupventures.com .
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
In Business School it is one of the "tough" problems you learn to solve.
Introduces you to linear algebra (as I seem to recall) and stuff. On the EE
& CS side, it is linked more to electrical and computer "nodes". The points
could be network nodes, airports, customers to visit or anything. The basic
idea is to solve for the "least expensive" (shortest, least time, least
cost) route to cover all the spots.
It kinda started back when companies had "traveling salesmen and somebody
realized they could be more efficient by taking a particular path as opposed
to random ones to cover all of the territory.
For some size/class of problem, there is some "guessing" involved. Actually
it is intelligent approximation and estimation. :-)
James
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
>
> What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something to do
> with the farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> >
> > I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
> >
> > People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so called
> > "travelling salesman" problem.
> >
> > I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
> > >
> > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> > > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just do
> it
> > > because???? Read on.
> > >
> > > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> > > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I
> would
> > > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that
> but how
> > > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is
> > > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at
> each
> > > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> > >
> > > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this
> point,
> > > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one
> problem and
> > > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I
> entered
> > > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that
> could
> > > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them
> all? I
> > > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start
> connecting
> > > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> > > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever
> been
> > > tried or done before?
> > >
> > > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if
> it
> > > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> > >
> > > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> > >
> > > Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> > james(at)nextupventures.com .
> >
> >
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | NC Airports - 110 destinations |
http://www.airfields-freeman.com/NC/Airfields_NC_Charlotte.htm#brockenbrough
"Brockenbrough Airport was apparently closed (for reasons unknown) at some
point between 1972-98"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Repucci
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
Bill,
Back in '95 when Celanese transferred me to Charlotte Metrolina Expo was
still listed on the sectionals as an airport but it was closed and had
been closed for some time, as near as I can tell.
When did it actually close?
And a bit of airport trivia.
The Grandfather of one of my employees founded Miller Airpark. He told
me on Friday that his Grandfather crashed and burned on the field some
time back and is buried there, along with what is left of his plane.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
As I recall, it doesn't take very many nodes in the "traveling Salesman"
problem for the possible permutations to quickly become large enough
to take an excessive amount of time to solve on the computers of the day
(maybe even the home computers of today).
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: James Clark
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
In Business School it is one of the "tough" problems you learn to
solve. Introduces you to linear algebra (as I seem to recall) and stuff.
On the EE & CS side, it is linked more to electrical and computer
"nodes". The points could be network nodes, airports, customers to visit
or anything. The basic idea is to solve for the "least expensive"
(shortest, least time, least cost) route to cover all the spots.
It kinda started back when companies had "traveling salesmen and
somebody realized they could be more efficient by taking a particular
path as opposed to random ones to cover all of the territory.
For some size/class of problem, there is some "guessing" involved.
Actually it is intelligent approximation and estimation. :-)
James
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something
to do with the farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
Smokey
>
> From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
> I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
>
> People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so
called
> "travelling salesman" problem.
>
> I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
>
> James
>
>
> On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done
it
> > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun,
just do it
> > because???? Read on.
> >
> > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North
Carolina,
> > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart
Guide. I would
> > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done
that but how
> > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24
hours is
> > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop
landing at each
> > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> >
> > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this
point,
> > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one
problem and
> > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If
I entered
> > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program
that could
> > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between
them all? I
> > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start
connecting
> > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of
such a
> > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has
ever been
> > tried or done before?
> >
> > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math,
see if it
> > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> >
> > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> >
> > Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Here is an example of a larger TSP problem that took 15.7 CPU YEARS to
solve in 2005, presumable 110 nodes would take a few years less {:>)
In March 2005, the traveling salesman problem of visiting all 33,810
points in a circuit board was solved using CONCORDE: a tour of length
66,048,945 units was found and it was proven that no shorter tour
exists. The computation took approximately 15.7 CPU years (Cook et al.
2006).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_salesman_problem#Exact_algorithms
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: James Clark
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
In Business School it is one of the "tough" problems you learn to
solve. Introduces you to linear algebra (as I seem to recall) and stuff.
On the EE & CS side, it is linked more to electrical and computer
"nodes". The points could be network nodes, airports, customers to visit
or anything. The basic idea is to solve for the "least expensive"
(shortest, least time, least cost) route to cover all the spots.
It kinda started back when companies had "traveling salesmen and
somebody realized they could be more efficient by taking a particular
path as opposed to random ones to cover all of the territory.
For some size/class of problem, there is some "guessing" involved.
Actually it is intelligent approximation and estimation. :-)
James
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something
to do with the farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
Smokey
>
> From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
> I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
>
> People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so
called
> "travelling salesman" problem.
>
> I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
>
> James
>
>
> On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done
it
> > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun,
just do it
> > because???? Read on.
> >
> > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North
Carolina,
> > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart
Guide. I would
> > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done
that but how
> > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24
hours is
> > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop
landing at each
> > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> >
> > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this
point,
> > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one
problem and
> > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If
I entered
> > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program
that could
> > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between
them all? I
> > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start
connecting
> > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of
such a
> > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has
ever been
> > tried or done before?
> >
> > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math,
see if it
> > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> >
> > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> >
> > Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Stormy,
OK, I have Googled the traveling salesman problem and now know that it has nothing
to do with the farmer's daughter. I have emailed a few mathematicians who
have studied the problem and hope they can help me with it. You are right about
the night touch & go's; not a player on unlighted airports. I am trying to
see if the circuit is feasable during civil twilight hours on the longest day
of the year. That may be the safest way to go.
Glad to hear all the Yellerstone gang is finally back home safely. The Garmin
496 was a tremendous aid. I have never felt so well informed and free to roam
around the country. Hope Snta is good to you. The trip was wonderful. Looking
forward to the Hop Along Fly-In so we can all re-live the trip together.
Smokey
>
> From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 09:33:47 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
> Ooooh, Kathy's gonna smack you for that one!
>
> This record attempt sounds like a lot of night T&G's to me. No thanks. But
> I agree with Reno that just logging all 110 sounds like a nice record to
> have in your logbook.
>
> The detour south was fabulous and well worth it. Never talked to center,
> never even felt the need to file a flight plan, and only twice the whole way
> did we see traffic outside of a landing pattern that could have been a
> factor to us. I must confess I did talk to Flight Watch quite a bit from
> Oklahoma home, which would have been unnecessary had i had a 396. I believe
> Santa Claus is also convinced that in-flight Wx is a must before the next
> long x/c; we'll see if she comes through for me.
>
> I'll be retrieving the plane from KLWB today after church, so I can claim to
> be officially home as of this afternoon.
>
> Lots of sprucing up to do around here before June 30th.
>
> -Stormy
>
> On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
> >
> > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> >
> > What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something to do
> > with the farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
> >
> > Smokey
> > >
> > > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > >
> > > I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
> > >
> > > People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so called
> > > "travelling salesman" problem.
> > >
> > > I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> > > > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just do
> > it
> > > > because???? Read on.
> > > >
> > > > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> > > > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I
> > would
> > > > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that
> > but how
> > > > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is
> > > > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at
> > each
> > > > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this
> > point,
> > > > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one
> > problem and
> > > > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I
> > entered
> > > > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that
> > could
> > > > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them
> > all? I
> > > > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start
> > connecting
> > > > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> > > > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever
> > been
> > > > tried or done before?
> > > >
> > > > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if
> > it
> > > > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> > > >
> > > > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> > > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> > > james(at)nextupventures.com .
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
That is correct Ed.
Therefore the "estimations" or "guesses" to get an answer that is "roughly
right".
For "n" nodes, does the computational volume go up by n**3 or is it
n**n!!!!!!!!?
(Was 30+ years ago when I was thinking this kind of stuff. :-) )
James
On 6/17/07, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
> As I recall, it doesn't take very many nodes in the "traveling Salesman"
> problem for the possible permutations to quickly become large enough to
> take an excessive amount of time to solve on the computers of the day (maybe
> even the home computers of today).
>
> Ed
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Clark
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
> In Business School it is one of the "tough" problems you learn to solve.
> Introduces you to linear algebra (as I seem to recall) and stuff. On the EE
> & CS side, it is linked more to electrical and computer "nodes". The points
> could be network nodes, airports, customers to visit or anything. The basic
> idea is to solve for the "least expensive" (shortest, least time, least
> cost) route to cover all the spots.
>
> It kinda started back when companies had "traveling salesmen and somebody
> realized they could be more efficient by taking a particular path as opposed
> to random ones to cover all of the territory.
>
> For some size/class of problem, there is some "guessing" involved.
> Actually it is intelligent approximation and estimation. :-)
>
> James
>
>
> On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
> >
> > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> >
> > What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something to do
> > with the farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
> >
> > Smokey
> > >
> > > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > >
> > > I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
> > >
> > > People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so
> > called
> > > "travelling salesman" problem.
> > >
> > > I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> > > > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just
> > do it
> > > > because???? Read on.
> > > >
> > > > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> > > > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide.
> > I would
> > > > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that
> > but how
> > > > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours
> > is
> > > > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at
> > each
> > > > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this
> > point,
> > > > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one
> > problem and
> > > > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I
> > entered
> > > > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that
> > could
> > > > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them
> > all? I
> > > > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start
> > connecting
> > > > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> > > > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever
> > been
> > > > tried or done before?
> > > >
> > > > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see
> > if it
> > > > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> > > >
> > > > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> > > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> james(at)nextupventures.com .
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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>
> *
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| From: | Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Ed,
You're right! As the number reaches 12 or more the permutations get into the billions!
There are some mathematicians who have made some algorithms that "approximate"
the ideal solution with considerably less computations. I'm no rocket
scientist and I'm not going to the moon, so maybe an approximate solution
would do.
Smokey
>
> From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:39:53 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
> As I recall, it doesn't take very many nodes in the "traveling Salesman" problem
for the possible permutations to quickly become large enough to take an
excessive amount of time to solve on the computers of the day (maybe even the
home computers of today).
>
> Ed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Clark
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
>
> In Business School it is one of the "tough" problems you learn to solve. Introduces
you to linear algebra (as I seem to recall) and stuff. On the EE & CS
side, it is linked more to electrical and computer "nodes". The points could
be network nodes, airports, customers to visit or anything. The basic idea is
to solve for the "least expensive" (shortest, least time, least cost) route to
cover all the spots.
>
> It kinda started back when companies had "traveling salesmen and somebody realized
they could be more efficient by taking a particular path as opposed to
random ones to cover all of the territory.
>
> For some size/class of problem, there is some "guessing" involved. Actually
it is intelligent approximation and estimation. :-)
>
> James
>
>
>
> On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something to do
with the farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> >
> > I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
> >
> > People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so called
> > "travelling salesman" problem.
> >
> > I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> > > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just do
it
> > > because???? Read on.
> > >
> > > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> > > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I
would
> > > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that but
how
> > > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is
> > > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at
each
> > > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> > >
> > > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this point,
> > > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one problem
and
> > > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I entered
> > > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that could
> > > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them all?
I
> > > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start connecting
> > > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> > > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever
been
> > > tried or done before?
> > >
> > > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if
it
> > > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> > >
> > > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> > >
> > > Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at james(at)nextupventures.com
.
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Larry,
I'm going to email the NC DOT, Dept of Aviation and see if they have any record
of such attempts. I'll keep you all posted.
Smokey
>
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 09:27:28 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
> I think VA has a program where they award pilots who have done this...a
> plaque or something. I think some on the list were working on it. Not in a
> day tho, maybe a year instead....
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> On 6/17/07, James Clark wrote:
> >
> > And a special case of "traveling salesman" is the Hamiltonian Cycle (or
> > Path) Problem ... Start at point "a", traverse all once and end up at "a"
> > using shortest path (or least resources).
> >
> > VERY difficult to solve as the number of points go up.
> >
> > My guess is that more hours will be spent trying to solve for "the best"
> > route than it would take to fly **A** route. :-)
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/07, Paul D. Franzon wrote:
> > >
> > > paulf(at)ncsu.edu>
> > >
> > > in math, this is referred to as the 'traveling salesman' problem. A
> > > google search should turn up some sample codes. Wikipedia most likely has
a
> > > good entry with sample codes.
> > >
> > > This might qualify as an FAI record if you do it and document it right.
> > >
> > > Paul Franzon
> > > 919 515 7351
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > Subj: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > > Date: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:10 am
> > > Size: 2K
> > > To:
> > >
> > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> > > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just do it
> > > because???? Read on.
> > >
> > > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> > > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide. I would
> > > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that but how
> > > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours is
> > > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at
> > > each one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> > >
> > > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this point,
> > > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one problem and
> > > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I entered
> > > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that could
> > > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them all?
I
> > > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start connecting
> > > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> > > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever been
> > > tried or done before?
> > >
> > > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see if it
> > > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> > >
> > > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> > >
> > > Ron "Smokey" Schreck james(at)nextupventures.com .
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Ron,
I bet you didn't realize you were opening such a can of mathematical worms
did ya? :-)
It is a simple to describe but tough to solve problem.
I was doing some envelope scratching to see if I could come up with a way to
do it easily in Excel. (My head is hurting now. :-) )
Ask your friends if they have an Excel solution that can handle a 100x100
matrix. I **think** there may be a way to get "solver" in Excel to do such.
Then the only "work to do is enter the distances from/to all of the
airports. That data is typically o the backs of the state aeronautical
charts as I recall.
We just might have a "solution" be fore the day is over. :-) If so, I plan
to apply it to SC, which has <100 public airports.
James
p.s. Seems like there was an article about this where a guy in NJ did this.
There are fewer airports there and I think it was done in a day. The guy may
have been associated with Princeton. My mind is fuzzy right now.
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
>
> Ed,
>
> You're right! As the number reaches 12 or more the permutations get into
> the billions! There are some mathematicians who have made some algorithms
> that "approximate" the ideal solution with considerably less
> computations. I'm no rocket scientist and I'm not going to the moon, so
> maybe an approximate solution would do.
>
> Smokey
>
>
> >
> > From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:39:53 EDT
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> >
> > As I recall, it doesn't take very many nodes in the "traveling Salesman"
> problem for the possible permutations to quickly become large enough to
> take an excessive amount of time to solve on the computers of the day (maybe
> even the home computers of today).
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: James Clark
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> >
> >
> > In Business School it is one of the "tough" problems you learn to
> solve. Introduces you to linear algebra (as I seem to recall) and stuff. On
> the EE & CS side, it is linked more to electrical and computer "nodes". The
> points could be network nodes, airports, customers to visit or anything. The
> basic idea is to solve for the "least expensive" (shortest, least time,
> least cost) route to cover all the spots.
> >
> > It kinda started back when companies had "traveling salesmen and
> somebody realized they could be more efficient by taking a particular path
> as opposed to random ones to cover all of the territory.
> >
> > For some size/class of problem, there is some "guessing" involved.
> Actually it is intelligent approximation and estimation. :-)
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> >
> > What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something
> to do with the farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
> >
> > Smokey
> > >
> > > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > >
> > > I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
> > >
> > > People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so
> called
> > > "travelling salesman" problem.
> > >
> > > I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done
> it
> > > > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun,
> just do it
> > > > because???? Read on.
> > > >
> > > > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North
> Carolina,
> > > > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart
> Guide. I would
> > > > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done
> that but how
> > > > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24
> hours is
> > > > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop
> landing at each
> > > > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this
> point,
> > > > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one
> problem and
> > > > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If
> I entered
> > > > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program
> that could
> > > > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between
> them all? I
> > > > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start
> connecting
> > > > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of
> such a
> > > > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has
> ever been
> > > > tried or done before?
> > > >
> > > > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math,
> see if it
> > > > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> > > >
> > > > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> > > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> james(at)nextupventures.com .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
I think this is the program for VA:
http://www.doav.virginia.gov/vaap.htm
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
>
> Larry,
>
> I'm going to email the NC DOT, Dept of Aviation and see if they have any
> record of such attempts. I'll keep you all posted.
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 09:27:28 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> >
> > I think VA has a program where they award pilots who have done this...a
> > plaque or something. I think some on the list were working on it. Not
> in a
> > day tho, maybe a year instead....
> >
> > --
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> > On 6/17/07, James Clark wrote:
> > >
> > > And a special case of "traveling salesman" is the Hamiltonian Cycle
> (or
> > > Path) Problem ... Start at point "a", traverse all once and end up at
> "a"
> > > using shortest path (or least resources).
> > >
> > > VERY difficult to solve as the number of points go up.
> > >
> > > My guess is that more hours will be spent trying to solve for "the
> best"
> > > route than it would take to fly **A** route. :-)
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/17/07, Paul D. Franzon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > paulf(at)ncsu.edu>
> > > >
> > > > in math, this is referred to as the 'traveling salesman' problem. A
> > > > google search should turn up some sample codes. Wikipedia most
> likely has a
> > > > good entry with sample codes.
> > > >
> > > > This might qualify as an FAI record if you do it and document it
> right.
> > > >
> > > > Paul Franzon
> > > > 919 515 7351
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > > Subj: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > > > Date: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:10 am
> > > > Size: 2K
> > > > To:
> > > >
> > > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done it
> > > > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun, just
> do it
> > > > because???? Read on.
> > > >
> > > > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North Carolina,
> > > > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart Guide.
> I would
> > > > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done that
> but how
> > > > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24 hours
> is
> > > > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop landing at
> > > > each one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this
> point,
> > > > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one
> problem and
> > > > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If I
> entered
> > > > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program that
> could
> > > > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between them
> all? I
> > > > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start
> connecting
> > > > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of such a
> > > > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has ever
> been
> > > > tried or done before?
> > > >
> > > > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math, see
> if it
> > > > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> > > >
> > > > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Ron "Smokey" Schreck james(at)nextupventures.com .
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dwight Frye <dwight(at)openweave.org> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
I don't post much here, but thought I'd chime in with one small snippet
of information. I got roped into helping a friend with a contract to try
and optimize the truck routes for the Hardees food delivery trucks. This
would have been back in the late 80s or early 90s. This was very much
the traveling salesman problem.
My friend was the math-geek and we applied a technique called "simulated
annealing" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_annealing) to try
and address this particular real-world problem. The issue was that the
trucks didn't always have the same delivery destinations on their list
(i.e. the "nodes" were rarely the same) so the Hardees folks could not
wait for days/weeks/months/years for a solution.
Depending upon the specific details of the algorithm used this technique
gives a non-optimal but better-than-randomly-chosen solution. Which is to
say that it worked .... sorta. :)
There are other aspects of this problem/project that caused me to ponder
killing my friend ... but that has nothing to do with simulated annealing,
and everything to do with project management, so I'll not go into that
here! Good luck!
-- Dwight
On Sun Jun 17 10:43:37 2007, Ron Schreck wrote :
>Ed,
>
>You're right! As the number reaches 12 or more the permutations get into the
billions! There are some mathematicians who have made some algorithms that "approximate"
the ideal solution with considerably less computations. I'm no rocket
scientist and I'm not going to the moon, so maybe an approximate solution
would do.
>
>Smokey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BOB martin" <libertyva(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | NC Airports ---Virginia |
Hey Guys,
Larry Burruss and I are based in the heart of Va, Louisa (LKU) and Larry
Bowen is right, we are working on visiting all the official State airports.
Va is awarding a leather flight jacket to all that accomplish the goal. They
provide a small book called a passport to us, the pilots, and each airport
has a rubber stamp with there name on it. When you stop in, you get your
passport book stamped and dated.
There are smaller gifts along the way, light hats and such, but the leather
jacket, will probably be the most expensive one in my closet, if I complete
the circuit.
The flying around is really a "some place to fly" thing for Larry and I. But
we REALLY enjoy it. We have met some interesting people and at some
airports, no one at all at others. At one....we had a phantom voice talk to
us on the radio.....I believe from memory, it was Tazewell in SW VA, the
runway was short and on top of a mountain and it barely fit in top. I
commented to Larry while in downwind on the CTAF that it looked like an
aircraft carrier! then the phantom voice came on and only said "it is! and
be careful" was all he said. The gentleman on the ground didn't have a
radio either!!
but he did tell us they had 3 wind socks along the runway and they rarely
agreed with each other.
anyway, we have really enjoyed the planning and flying all over the state
and we are only half done.
I even take pictures of the airports and have a file in the computer on each
airport, maybe when we are done, I can do a album of sorts, but probably
will just stay on the computer, :-) ...too much flying to do....
http://www.doav.virginia.gov/vaap.htm
Regards, Bob Martin
Proud member of the "Veggie Tale Squadron" :-)
>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:27:28 -0400
>
>I think VA has a program where they award pilots who have done this...a
>plaque or something. I think some on the list were working on it. Not in
>a
>day tho, maybe a year instead....
>
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
I just found a "Salesman" tab on the Garmin 396 menu. For NC, at 155 KTS,
15 min break every three hours, no wind, it says 19:17. That's using the
Christofides algorithm, which has it's faults, but .......
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 6/17/07, James Clark wrote:
>
> Ron,
>
> I bet you didn't realize you were opening such a can of mathematical worms
> did ya? :-)
>
> It is a simple to describe but tough to solve problem.
>
> I was doing some envelope scratching to see if I could come up with a way
> to do it easily in Excel. (My head is hurting now. :-) )
>
> Ask your friends if they have an Excel solution that can handle a 100x100
> matrix. I **think** there may be a way to get "solver" in Excel to do such.
>
> Then the only "work to do is enter the distances from/to all of the
> airports. That data is typically o the backs of the state aeronautical
> charts as I recall.
>
> We just might have a "solution" be fore the day is over. :-) If so, I
> plan to apply it to SC, which has <100 public airports.
>
> James
> p.s. Seems like there was an article about this where a guy in NJ did
> this. There are fewer airports there and I think it was done in a day. The
> guy may have been associated with Princeton. My mind is fuzzy right now.
>
>
> On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > You're right! As the number reaches 12 or more the permutations get
> > into the billions! There are some mathematicians who have made some
> > algorithms that "approximate" the ideal solution with considerably less
> > computations. I'm no rocket scientist and I'm not going to the moon, so
> > maybe an approximate solution would do.
> >
> > Smokey
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:39:53 EDT
> > > To: < rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > >
> > > As I recall, it doesn't take very many nodes in the "traveling
> > Salesman" problem for the possible permutations to quickly become large
> > enough to take an excessive amount of time to solve on the computers of the
> > day (maybe even the home computers of today).
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: James Clark
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > >
> > >
> > > In Business School it is one of the "tough" problems you learn to
> > solve. Introduces you to linear algebra (as I seem to recall) and stuff. On
> > the EE & CS side, it is linked more to electrical and computer "nodes". The
> > points could be network nodes, airports, customers to visit or anything. The
> > basic idea is to solve for the "least expensive" (shortest, least time,
> > least cost) route to cover all the spots.
> > >
> > > It kinda started back when companies had "traveling salesmen and
> > somebody realized they could be more efficient by taking a particular path
> > as opposed to random ones to cover all of the territory.
> > >
> > > For some size/class of problem, there is some "guessing" involved.
> > Actually it is intelligent approximation and estimation. :-)
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something
> > to do with the farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
> > >
> > > Smokey
> > > >
> > > > From: "James Clark" < jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> > > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > > >
> > > > I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
> > > >
> > > > People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the
> > so called
> > > > "travelling salesman" problem.
> > > >
> > > > I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has
> > done it
> > > > > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun,
> > just do it
> > > > > because???? Read on.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North
> > Carolina,
> > > > > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart
> > Guide. I would
> > > > > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done
> > that but how
> > > > > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24
> > hours is
> > > > > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop
> > landing at each
> > > > > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at
> > this point,
> > > > > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on
> > one problem and
> > > > > that is how to optomize the route between all 110
> > airports. If I entered
> > > > > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program
> > that could
> > > > > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between
> > them all? I
> > > > > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and
> > start connecting
> > > > > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of
> > such a
> > > > > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this
> > has ever been
> > > > > tried or done before?
> > > > >
> > > > > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math,
> > see if it
> > > > > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is
> > right......
> > > > >
> > > > > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron "Smokey" Schreck
> > > > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at james(at)nextupventures.com
> > james(at)nextupventures.com .
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Hmm.. this program doesn't include Hop-a-Long?
* Anyways, EAA members Parker Johnstone and James Murphy flew a Beech
Bonanza 36 to all 96 hard-surface public airports in the state of Oregon in
one day, seven hours 16 minutes.
Don't know how OR compares to NC, but squeezing 110 in 24 hrs will be a
challenge. This assumes you'd actually wanna be awake and flying all 24
hrs?
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Bowen
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
I think this is the program for VA:
http://www.doav.virginia.gov/vaap.htm
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
I may be all wrong, but after viewing the video, the plane seems to me to be
traveling much faster than 15mph. I estimate over 10 airplane lengths in 3
seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not that this is too fast, just faster
than 15mph.
I will be receiving my 7A quick-build kit in about 2 weeks and am really
having second thoughts on the tri-cycle gear configuration. Are there any
issues with the 7A nose-wheel?
BTW, it looks like having the slider somewhat protected the pilot and
passenger. This video as well as other advice made my decision of slider
over tip-up.
Regards,
Rafael
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Repucci
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net.
http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see more
pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going over. Here is
some of the text from the link:
"Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft Farm on 9th
June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and with
some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and when it
came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have handled it,
how bizarre!"
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Repucci
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
The original thread mentions that he had removed the nose wheel pant prior
to the flight, for reasons unknown.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John S
Cargill
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
In the photos where is the nose wheel pant?
Steve Glasgow wrote:
Maybe he hit a rabbit?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed <mailto:eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> Anderson
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose gear
for a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had failed, I
did not put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was supposedly no
longer needed. However, I noticed right after landing and during high speed
taxi that there was a sensation as if the nose wheel was tucking back and
then pulling forward. I did not like the sensation so I put wooden
stiffeners back on the nose gear.
Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger prop.
I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of sink, etc.
To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the throttle all the
way back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph airspeed and dropped
out of the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to get the stick back into
my stomach before (fortunately) hitting on the two main gear, bounced into
the air for another 4-6 feet this time dragging the rudder fairings (yes,
still had the stick tucked back to my backbone), and eventually came to a
stop (right side up and on the runway at Goosecreek).
Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as well
as do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but
fortunately the nose never tucked under which would have surely had me doing
the infamous RV-6A nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the nose gear,
I found the two wooden stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the gear had both
broken. I am convinced that had I not had the stiffeners that the ending
would not have been as happy.
Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on the
phenomena to verify my theory{:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen <mailto:Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gary A. Sobek <gary(at)rvdar.com>
The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my
eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that
had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries
reported in the story.
A link to the story.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412
Here are the photos taken while it was flipping.
http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matron
ics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matron
ics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matron
ics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
James,
I have the NC Aeronautical Chart and I don't see any distances listed. I may put
all of the airports on a flight planning program and start connecting dots.
Very unscientific, but I'm no rocket scientist.
Smokey
>
> From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:53:03 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
> Ron,
>
> I bet you didn't realize you were opening such a can of mathematical worms
> did ya? :-)
>
> It is a simple to describe but tough to solve problem.
>
> I was doing some envelope scratching to see if I could come up with a way to
> do it easily in Excel. (My head is hurting now. :-) )
>
> Ask your friends if they have an Excel solution that can handle a 100x100
> matrix. I **think** there may be a way to get "solver" in Excel to do such.
>
> Then the only "work to do is enter the distances from/to all of the
> airports. That data is typically o the backs of the state aeronautical
> charts as I recall.
>
> We just might have a "solution" be fore the day is over. :-) If so, I plan
> to apply it to SC, which has <100 public airports.
>
> James
> p.s. Seems like there was an article about this where a guy in NJ did this.
> There are fewer airports there and I think it was done in a day. The guy may
> have been associated with Princeton. My mind is fuzzy right now.
>
>
>
> On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
> >
> > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > You're right! As the number reaches 12 or more the permutations get into
> > the billions! There are some mathematicians who have made some algorithms
> > that "approximate" the ideal solution with considerably less
> > computations. I'm no rocket scientist and I'm not going to the moon, so
> > maybe an approximate solution would do.
> >
> > Smokey
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
> > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:39:53 EDT
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > >
> > > As I recall, it doesn't take very many nodes in the "traveling Salesman"
> > problem for the possible permutations to quickly become large enough to
> > take an excessive amount of time to solve on the computers of the day (maybe
> > even the home computers of today).
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: James Clark
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > >
> > >
> > > In Business School it is one of the "tough" problems you learn to
> > solve. Introduces you to linear algebra (as I seem to recall) and stuff. On
> > the EE & CS side, it is linked more to electrical and computer "nodes". The
> > points could be network nodes, airports, customers to visit or anything. The
> > basic idea is to solve for the "least expensive" (shortest, least time,
> > least cost) route to cover all the spots.
> > >
> > > It kinda started back when companies had "traveling salesmen and
> > somebody realized they could be more efficient by taking a particular path
> > as opposed to random ones to cover all of the territory.
> > >
> > > For some size/class of problem, there is some "guessing" involved.
> > Actually it is intelligent approximation and estimation. :-)
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
> > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > >
> > > What's the "traveling salesman problem"? Does this have something
> > to do with the farmer's daughter? Tell me more.
> > >
> > > Smokey
> > > >
> > > > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com>
> > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 08:17:46 EDT
> > > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
> > > >
> > > > I too have thought about this type of thing .. although for SC.
> > > >
> > > > People have done this type thing and the trick is to solve the so
> > called
> > > > "travelling salesman" problem.
> > > >
> > > > I will see if I can find stuff on this and get back later.
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ever have the urge to do something just because nobody has done
> > it
> > > > > before? Doesn't have to be something profitable or even fun,
> > just do it
> > > > > because???? Read on.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are 110 public airports in the great state of North
> > Carolina,
> > > > > according to my NCDOT, Division of Aviation, NC 2006 Airpart
> > Guide. I would
> > > > > like to visit all 110 of them. I'm sure many people have done
> > that but how
> > > > > many have done it in one day? Let's see... 110 divided by 24
> > hours is
> > > > > 4.58 airports per hour. I doubt you could do a full stop
> > landing at each
> > > > > one, but a touch-and-go is feasable, isn't it?
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't taken this idea beyond the confines of my mind at this
> > point,
> > > > > but it keeps rattling around in there. I keep stumbling on one
> > problem and
> > > > > that is how to optomize the route between all 110 airports. If
> > I entered
> > > > > the coordinates of all 110 into a database is there a program
> > that could
> > > > > give me a flight plan that would minimize the distance between
> > them all? I
> > > > > could just spread the map out on the dining room table and start
> > connecting
> > > > > the dots, but that doesn't seem too elegant. Anybody know of
> > such a
> > > > > program? And while we are at it, does anybody know if this has
> > ever been
> > > > > tried or done before?
> > > > >
> > > > > I may never make the attempt, but I would like to do the math,
> > see if it
> > > > > is possible and then, who knows, when the weather is right......
> > > > >
> > > > > I welcome your comments, jeers, etc.
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