RVSouthEast-Archive.digest.vol-bo
September 02, 2007 - November 07, 2007
-----Original Message-----
| From: | owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret
Smith
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:30 PM
| Subject: | Throttle quadrant |
Hey Bill,
How are you liking the throttle quadrant? Is it pretty solid? Is the
location installed ergonomically comfortable?
Bret Smith
RV-9A (91314)
Mineral Bluff, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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| From: | owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Repucci
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 7:05 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Throttle quadrant
Melinda,
Here is a link to how I attached my throttle quadrant:
http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html. Scroll down and you will
how I did it. Needless to say, the three level quadrant is a little
wider than my two lever.
If you are going to set your -7 up for IFR, I highly recommend going
with the Affordable Panel's panel, like I did.
(http://www.affordablepanels.com/index1.htm) This will make future
maintenance (and upgrades) much easier.
Bill
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | Ron, I don't know how you did it! |
I flew 6.1 hours today and I can't even begin to imagine how you sat in
your -8 long enough to hit every public use airport in NC!
The good news is I only have 3.8 hours left of Phase I and then I can
give Nora a ride. With luck, the weather will hold out and I finish
Phase 1 on Monday and give Nora that ride in the afternoon.
Bill
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ron, I don't know how you did it! |
Wow! How many laps around your circle was that? Congrats on finishing up
the phase 1.
>From Ocracoke,
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Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/2/07, Bill Repucci wrote:
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> I flew 6.1 hours today and I can't even begin to imagine how you sat in
> your -8 long enough to hit every public use airport in NC!
>
> The good news is I only have 3.8 hours left of Phase I and then I can give
> Nora a ride. With luck, the weather will hold out and I finish Phase 1 on
> Monday and give Nora that ride in the afternoon.
>
> Bill
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| From: | "Ken Harrill" <rkharr(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Throttle quadrant |
Bill,
Thanks! That was very informative. I really liked seeing the pictures. I
think I may use the quadrant as well.
Melinda
On 9/2/07, Bill Repucci wrote:
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> Bret,
>
> I'm a little biased since I paid extra, in terms of money and time, to
> install it. That said, yes, it is VERY solid, ergonomically comfortable,
> works very smooth, etc. The two lever TQ (I don't know about the three
> lever) from DJM Manufacturing like I have works out great. It clears the
> radio stack as located by my Affordable Panels panel. I really like where I
> located the flap switch (to the right of the TQ) and the carb heat (to the
> left of the quadrant) because on a go-around I can push the carb heat in
> with my thumb, move the throttle up with the palm of my hand, and toggle the
> flaps up with my index finger all in one move. Here's a good picture of
> what I'm talking about:
> http://www.repucci.com/bill/panel/hand%20on%20throttle.jpg. As a piper
> driver, you would really like this setup.
>
> BTW, I have over 30 hours on the -9 and am heading to the airport today.
> With luck I will finish all my testing between today and tomorrow. I never
> realized how exhausting doing five hours of take-off's and lands could be.
> There is not much left on my test cards. Gotta run, those hours don't fly
> themselves off.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bret Smith
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:30 PM
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* ***SPAM*** RE: RVSouthEast-List: Throttle quadrant
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> How are you liking the throttle quadrant? Is it pretty solid? Is the
> location installed ergonomically comfortable?
>
> Bret Smith
> RV-9A (91314)
> Mineral Bluff, GA
> www.FlightInnovations.com
>
>
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> *From:* owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Repucci
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2007 7:05 PM
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Throttle quadrant
>
> Melinda,
>
> Here is a link to how I attached my throttle quadrant:
> http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html. Scroll down and you will
> how I did it. Needless to say, the three level quadrant is a little wider
> than my two lever.
>
> If you are going to set your -7 up for IFR, I highly recommend going with
> the Affordable Panel's panel, like I did. (
> http://www.affordablepanels.com/index1.htm) This will make future
> maintenance (and upgrades) much easier.
>
> Bill
>
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Ken Harrill
803 238-2199
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| Subject: | Gentle Landings Airpark - 0GA9 |
| From: | "sonex293" <sonex293(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone have any information on the Gentle Landings Airpark in Roberta, Georgia?
I believe it used to be called the Roberta Industrial Airpark.
I'm starting to look 10 or more years down the road, and this location would be
nice from a central location for family. Just wondering if anyone else has information
on the Airpark.
--
Michael Crowder
[Question]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132852#132852
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| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near Greenville, |
SC
Who is going to this event?
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
Bill
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
Looks interesting. Lets go.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/6/07, Bill Repucci wrote:
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> Who is going to this event?
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
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| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
MessageI'll make it for at least one day. When is the best time to be
there?
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:42 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
Who is going to this event?
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
Bill
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
MessageThe BBG dinner and Blue Grass Band will be Friday night. T
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
I'll make it for at least one day. When is the best time to be there?
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:42 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
Who is going to this event?
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
Bill
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
Cappy is in for Friday night to camp or hotel it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
Looks interesting. Lets go.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/6/07, Bill Repucci wrote:
Who is going to this event?
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
Bill
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Carter Wright" <cartaire(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Nifty on the block... |
LB: a bittersweet moment, I'm sure. Someone out there will be quite
fortunate! Now I might not feel so guilty when I shamelessly copy your
panel design!
Carter
_________________________________________________________________
Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger
Caf. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1
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| From: | "Tad Sargent" <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
Have any of you seen the Mustang rally taking place in OH that same weekend?
Stripes
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007
near Greenville, SC
I'll make it for at least one day. When is the best time to be there?
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci <mailto:bill(at)repucci.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:42 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near
Greenville, SC
Who is going to this event?
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
Bill
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matron
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
MessageThe Gathering of Mustangs is 27 - 30 Sep.
http://gml2007.com/
Anyone going?
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Sargent
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
Have any of you seen the Mustang rally taking place in OH that same
weekend?
Stripes
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:09 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
I'll make it for at least one day. When is the best time to be there?
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:42 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
Who is going to this event?
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
Bill
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.co
m">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
MessageThought about stopping at The Gathering of Mustangs and Legends
on my return from Michigan. It will be a show but think I'll go to
Triple Tree.
Here is web site for The Gathering. http://www.gml2007.com/
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Sargent
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
Have any of you seen the Mustang rally taking place in OH that same
weekend?
Stripes
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:09 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
I'll make it for at least one day. When is the best time to be there?
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:42 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
Who is going to this event?
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
Bill
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.co
m">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | Dale Ellis <rv8builder(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
If you are planning to use a hotel near Triple Tree, make your reservations soon.
We (the Fly-In committee) learned this past week that a major church convention
(some 5,000 attendees) will be in Greenville the same weekend.
Dale Ellis
Triple Tree Aerodrome Fly-In committee
www.tripletreeaerodrome.com
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Sep 7, 2007 6:56 AM
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near
Greenville, SC
>
>Cappy is in for Friday night to camp or hotel it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007
near Greenville, SC
>
>
> Looks interesting. Lets go.
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> On 9/6/07, Bill Repucci wrote:
> Who is going to this event?
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
>
> Bill
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>http://forums.matronics.com
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>
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
I started looking into it, but got turned off when I read GA had to park at
nearby airports instead of Rickenbacker. No mention of waivers for
mustang-like paint jobs either!
http://gml2007.com/vinfo_general-aviation.asp
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/7/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> The Gathering of Mustangs is 27 - 30 Sep.
> http://gml2007.com/
>
> Anyone going?
>
> Smokey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Tad Sargent
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 07, 2007 9:03 AM
> *Subject:* RE: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
> 2007 near Greenville, SC
>
> Have any of you seen the Mustang rally taking place in OH that same
> weekend?
>
> Stripes
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron Schreck
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:09 PM
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
> 2007 near Greenville, SC
>
>
> I'll make it for at least one day. When is the best time to be there?
>
>
> Smokey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Bill Repucci
>
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:42 PM
>
> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007
> near Greenville, SC
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nifty on the block... |
Bittersweet indeed. Must make room for number two before a quick build
mutates into a sloooow build.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/7/07, Carter Wright wrote:
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> cartaire(at)hotmail.com>
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> LB: a bittersweet moment, I'm sure. Someone out there will be quite
> fortunate! Now I might not feel so guilty when I shamelessly copy your
> panel design!
>
> Carter
>
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> Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nifty on the block... |
Sorry to hear Nifty is going bye bye. I know you will miss her. What is
the asking price?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Nifty on the block...
Bittersweet indeed. Must make room for number two before a quick
build mutates into a sloooow build.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/7/07, Carter Wright wrote:
LB: a bittersweet moment, I'm sure. Someone out there will be
quite
fortunate! Now I might not feel so guilty when I shamelessly copy
your
panel design!
Carter
_________________________________________________________________
Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the
Messenger
Caf=E9.
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tronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-Listhttp://forum========
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nifty on the block... |
Ya, I never thought the day would come. $101K. See web site for more.
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/09/rv8_for_sale.html
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/7/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear Nifty is going bye bye. I know you will miss her. What is
> the asking price?
>
> Cappy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Larry Bowen
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 07, 2007 5:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Nifty on the block...
>
> Bittersweet indeed. Must make room for number two before a quick build
> mutates into a sloooow build.
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> On 9/7/07, Carter Wright wrote:
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> > fortunate! Now I might not feel so guilty when I shamelessly copy your
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nifty on the block... |
Have you thought about e-bay? I just sold a pair of my dad's old
National Airlines and a bidding war gat started. They went for $149.95.
You might get a bidding war started and get even more.
Good Luck, Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Nifty on the block...
Ya, I never thought the day would come. $101K. See web site for
more.
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/09/rv8_for_sale.html
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/7/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
Sorry to hear Nifty is going bye bye. I know you will miss her.
What is the asking price?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Nifty on the block...
Bittersweet indeed. Must make room for number two before a quick
build mutates into a sloooow build.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/7/07, Carter Wright wrote:
LB: a bittersweet moment, I'm sure. Someone out there will be
quite
fortunate! Now I might not feel so guilty when I shamelessly
copy your
panel design!
Carter
_________________________________________________________________
Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the
Messenger
Caf=E9.
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nifty on the block... |
National Airlines Wings that is.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Nifty on the block...
Have you thought about e-bay? I just sold a pair of my dad's old
National Airlines and a bidding war gat started. They went for $149.95.
You might get a bidding war started and get even more.
Good Luck, Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Nifty on the block...
Ya, I never thought the day would come. $101K. See web site for
more.
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/09/rv8_for_sale.html
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/7/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
Sorry to hear Nifty is going bye bye. I know you will miss her.
What is the asking price?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Nifty on the block...
Bittersweet indeed. Must make room for number two before a
quick build mutates into a sloooow build.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/7/07, Carter Wright wrote:
LB: a bittersweet moment, I'm sure. Someone out there will
be quite
fortunate! Now I might not feel so guilty when I shamelessly
copy your
panel design!
Carter
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| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
If Nora and I go for the night, we will probably take our camping gear
to see how that works out.
With all the backpacking we do, I've got a closet full of lightweight
camping gear we can bring.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Ellis
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
-->
If you are planning to use a hotel near Triple Tree, make your
reservations soon. We (the Fly-In committee) learned this past week
that a major church convention (some 5,000 attendees) will be in
Greenville the same weekend.
Dale Ellis
Triple Tree Aerodrome Fly-In committee www.tripletreeaerodrome.com
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Sep 7, 2007 6:56 AM
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
>2007 near Greenville, SC
>
>Cappy is in for Friday night to camp or hotel it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September
26-29 2007 near Greenville, SC
>
>
> Looks interesting. Lets go.
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> On 9/6/07, Bill Repucci wrote:
> Who is going to this event?
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
>
> Bill
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29 2007 near |
Greenville, SC
Randy and Cappy are in for Friday night on the ground. See you there.
Bill do you need a carpet for your hangar. We are getting a new on
Tuesday. 10x16
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:28 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
If Nora and I go for the night, we will probably take our camping gear
to see how that works out.
With all the backpacking we do, I've got a closet full of lightweight
camping gear we can bring.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Ellis
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:14 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September 26-29
2007 near Greenville, SC
-->
If you are planning to use a hotel near Triple Tree, make your
reservations soon. We (the Fly-In committee) learned this past week
that a major church convention (some 5,000 attendees) will be in
Greenville the same weekend.
Dale Ellis
Triple Tree Aerodrome Fly-In committee www.tripletreeaerodrome.com
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Sep 7, 2007 6:56 AM
>To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September
26-29
>2007 near Greenville, SC
>
>Cappy is in for Friday night to camp or hotel it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Aerodrome - September
26-29 2007 near Greenville, SC
>
>
> Looks interesting. Lets go.
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> On 9/6/07, Bill Repucci wrote:
> Who is going to this event?
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 790
>
> Bill
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
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>
>
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| From: | "Carter Wright" <cartaire(at)hotmail.com> |
At 20 years old, Smith Reynolds piloted a Savoi Marchetti "flying boat"
17,000 miles from London to Hong Kong. One of two known remaining examples
of this aircraft has been restored and is on display at an exhibit at the
Reynolds Mansion in Winston Salem. The exhibit opened last night, and will
remain open until December. Smith's private pilot certificate, signed by
Orville Wright is part of the display.
Tomorrow at 3:30 one of the chief architects will give a talk about the
project. Consider going.
More info here:
http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ/MGArticle/WSJ_BasicArticle&cid=1173352377914&c=MGArticle
http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_RelishArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173352585077&path=!news!today
http://www.reynoldahouse.org/discover/exhibitions/u_exhibitions_detail.php?feature-id2213540
I can arrange to retrieve and return those that wish to fly to KINT to
attend the event.
Carter
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
Miller Air Park, Mooresville is having a fly-in and
poker run Saturday starting at 10 a.m. for any
interested SERVers. 2000' grass strip.
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| From: | Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com> |
| Subject: | Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
tricycle debate with myself.
http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
Robbie Walker
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| From: | "bburril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
That's some good clips,but if you will notice the nose wheel is not on the
ground till the airplane is stable.So i'm thinking that it does not matter a
hold lot.This is just one tailwheel pilot opinion (rv 6).
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Walker" <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
Portuguese?)
>
>
> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite interesting.
> Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs. tricycle debate with
> myself.
>
> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>
> Robbie Walker
>
>
>
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| From: | Robbie Walker <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
vacillate.
I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't like
to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that we
moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
Robbie Walker
On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>
>
> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from yesterday
> in our
> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>
>
> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
> archive
>
> Happy landings,
> Dale
> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>
>
>
>
> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
> tricycle debate with myself.
>
> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>
> Robbie Walker
>
>
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown both
taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved strips. In my
advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens apprehension in coping with
adverse wind conditions on landing. I found on one emergency aborted
takeoff (got airborne and put it back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the
nose wheel enabled me to apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no
lock up, just a good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its
nose (or back). On the other hand, as several recent incidents have shown
landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as well. The bottom
line is neither is going to save you from a really screwed up landing - so
don't make one {:>).
Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you need to go
with what You want and feel comfortable with - regardless of other
viewpoints on your choice. If you have not yet, try to get a ride in an RV
both with and without nose gear and see if one appeals to you more than the
other - because when its said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver
in your decision.
Good luck
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
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http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Walker" <robbie(at)atlanticpkg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
Portuguese?)
>
>
> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
> vacillate.
> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't like to
> fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
>
> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that we moved
> in last week and get the empennage ordered.
>
> Robbie Walker
>
> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from yesterday in our
>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>>
>>
>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not archive
>>
>> Happy landings,
>> Dale
>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
>> tricycle debate with myself.
>>
>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>>
>> Robbie Walker
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | Dwight Frye <dwight(at)openweave.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] |
On Wed Sep 12 18:38:57 2007, Larry Bowen wrote :
>Getting 5 hours of TW instruction will help you decide either way. I have
>no regrets with my TW.
Then again .. you can do the crazy thing I did. I partnered with a
couple of friends on a 1967 Citabria 7ECA. That ends up being a pretty
cheap way to own an airplane (if you have -good- partners, which I do
so far). I'm now at the 30-hour mark on tailwheel time, and am having
a ball. Yes, it has slowed my building while I did transition training
and got some of the various insurance requirements behind me. But boy
it sure feels good. :)
Regarding insurance (this is NOT an RV, so is not intended to be any
sort of direct comparision) we were shocked. Between the three of us
only one had any significant TW time. One of my partners had only just
over 100 hours total time, and had not flown in 18 years. SkySmith got
us a quote for just under $1100/year. Split three ways, that ends up
being pretty darned cheap. In airplane-dollars, at least.
I hope to have a non-trivial amount of TW time when I have to finally
get insurance on the RV-7. I _hope_ it'll reduce my insurance costs,
but the best "insurance" will be the experience itself (or so I firmly
believe).
BTW, the guy who had not flown in 18 years is now close to 30 hours of
tailwheel time too ... and is doing great. Having a blast. :)
-- Dwight
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] |
Had similar experience to Dwight's with three way partnership in a Cessna
170A while building the RV-6A. My total time in TW is still more than I have
in tricycle gear. However, one of the influencing factors in deciding on an
RV 'A' model.was, when flying cross country with the 170A, I found myself
picking airports based on wind direction . Have landed in cross wind
conditions with the 6A that I would never have tried with the TW 170A. Maybe
the TW RV's are more mangeable in cross winds than the 170?
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dwight Frye" <dwight(at)openweave.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind
Movie]
>
> On Wed Sep 12 18:38:57 2007, Larry Bowen wrote :
>>Getting 5 hours of TW instruction will help you decide either way. I have
>>no regrets with my TW.
>
> Then again .. you can do the crazy thing I did. I partnered with a
> couple of friends on a 1967 Citabria 7ECA.
> so far). I'm now at the 30-hour mark on tailwheel time, and am having
> a ball. >
>> -- Dwight
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 09/12/07 |
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
Seems to me the best data to help someone with this decision is not who
backs tail wheels (mostly that would be guys who already decided in favor
of them) or who backs nose wheels (ditto) but to ask who would change if
they had it to do all over again. My take is that guys who haven't flown
tail wheeled aircraft have a somewhat unfounded concern about how difficult
they are to fly. Personally, I see them as different, not difficult (are
nose gear airplanes marginally easier to take off and land----probably, but
not enough to make much of a difference at this size and speed aircraft).
If there are those out there who are now flying tailwheeled RV's who would
go with a nose wheel next time, that could be useful data (and vice versa,
of course). Off the top of my head, I would guess that there are more
nose gear guys who, having flown RV's for awhile now, are sorry they didn't
go ahead with a tail wheel after all than there are tail wheel guys rueing
their decision.
I'll vote first. Tail wheel all the way and would not change. My first
was a tail wheel and now I'm building another. Hope that helps!
Great fun to think about again, regardless of your final decision. I would
personally not let a concern for the challenge of flying a tail wheeled RV
(there isn't much of one to begin with) deny me the aesthetics of a tail
wheeled aircraft (if that in fact appeals to you), its (modest) performance
benefits, nor for that matter the just plain fun of a wheel landing and
carrying the tail up half way down the runway!
Sorry for the rant---sometimes you just feel like chiming in, you know??
Lee...
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 09/12/07 |
Ditto Lee, wouldn't go back to nosewheel from TW
--- lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com wrote:
> lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com
>
> Seems to me the best data to help someone with this
> decision is not who
> backs tail wheels (mostly that would be guys who
> already decided in favor
> of them) or who backs nose wheels (ditto) but to ask
> who would change if
> they had it to do all over again. My take is that
> guys who haven't flown
> tail wheeled aircraft have a somewhat unfounded
> concern about how difficult
> they are to fly. Personally, I see them as
> different, not difficult (are
> nose gear airplanes marginally easier to take off
> and land----probably, but
> not enough to make much of a difference at this size
> and speed aircraft).
>
> If there are those out there who are now flying
> tailwheeled RV's who would
> go with a nose wheel next time, that could be useful
> data (and vice versa,
> of course). Off the top of my head, I would guess
> that there are more
> nose gear guys who, having flown RV's for awhile
> now, are sorry they didn't
> go ahead with a tail wheel after all than there are
> tail wheel guys rueing
> their decision.
>
> I'll vote first. Tail wheel all the way and would
> not change. My first
> was a tail wheel and now I'm building another. Hope
> that helps!
>
> Great fun to think about again, regardless of your
> final decision. I would
> personally not let a concern for the challenge of
> flying a tail wheeled RV
> (there isn't much of one to begin with) deny me the
> aesthetics of a tail
> wheeled aircraft (if that in fact appeals to you),
> its (modest) performance
> benefits, nor for that matter the just plain fun of
> a wheel landing and
> carrying the tail up half way down the runway!
>
> Sorry for the rant---sometimes you just feel like
> chiming in, you know??
>
> Lee...
>
>
>
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] |
I find crosswind in TWs no big deal due to short wing.
Don't let that sway you. Reno
--- Dale Ensing wrote:
> Ensing"
>
> Had similar experience to Dwight's with three way
> partnership in a Cessna
> 170A while building the RV-6A. My total time in TW
> is still more than I have
> in tricycle gear. However, one of the influencing
> factors in deciding on an
> RV 'A' model.was, when flying cross country with the
> 170A, I found myself
> picking airports based on wind direction . Have
> landed in cross wind
> conditions with the 6A that I would never have tried
> with the TW 170A. Maybe
> the TW RV's are more mangeable in cross winds than
> the 170?
> Dale Ensing
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dwight Frye" <dwight(at)openweave.org>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance Advice [was
> re: Boeing Crosswind
> Movie]
>
>
> Frye
> >
> > On Wed Sep 12 18:38:57 2007, Larry Bowen wrote :
> >>Getting 5 hours of TW instruction will help you
> decide either way. I have
> >>no regrets with my TW.
> >
> > Then again .. you can do the crazy thing I did. I
> partnered with a
> > couple of friends on a 1967 Citabria 7ECA.
> > so far). I'm now at the 30-hour mark on tailwheel
> time, and am having
> > a ball. >
> >> -- Dwight
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 09/12/07 |
Flown both ,,,have the A & as for flying & looks tw all the way, but on the
ground, not counting looks there is no better way to go than an A!!!!!!!!
resale,,ins. Short field,,being able to see [taxi],cleaning underside ect.
Ect. An A is like landing a 150 cessna,,can't get any better! Just look out
for the rabbits! Ha..ha Randy Pinkston 705rp 390 hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill
crothers
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 11 Msgs -
09/12/07
Ditto Lee, wouldn't go back to nosewheel from TW
--- lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com wrote:
> lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com
>
> Seems to me the best data to help someone with this
> decision is not who
> backs tail wheels (mostly that would be guys who
> already decided in favor
> of them) or who backs nose wheels (ditto) but to ask
> who would change if
> they had it to do all over again. My take is that
> guys who haven't flown
> tail wheeled aircraft have a somewhat unfounded
> concern about how difficult
> they are to fly. Personally, I see them as
> different, not difficult (are
> nose gear airplanes marginally easier to take off
> and land----probably, but
> not enough to make much of a difference at this size
> and speed aircraft).
>
> If there are those out there who are now flying
> tailwheeled RV's who would
> go with a nose wheel next time, that could be useful
> data (and vice versa,
> of course). Off the top of my head, I would guess
> that there are more
> nose gear guys who, having flown RV's for awhile
> now, are sorry they didn't
> go ahead with a tail wheel after all than there are
> tail wheel guys rueing
> their decision.
>
> I'll vote first. Tail wheel all the way and would
> not change. My first
> was a tail wheel and now I'm building another. Hope
> that helps!
>
> Great fun to think about again, regardless of your
> final decision. I would
> personally not let a concern for the challenge of
> flying a tail wheeled RV
> (there isn't much of one to begin with) deny me the
> aesthetics of a tail
> wheeled aircraft (if that in fact appeals to you),
> its (modest) performance
> benefits, nor for that matter the just plain fun of
> a wheel landing and
> carrying the tail up half way down the runway!
>
> Sorry for the rant---sometimes you just feel like
> chiming in, you know??
>
> Lee...
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel Discussion (again) |
| From: | "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com> |
Ok, I am going give a shout out for the Sissy Wheel pilots like
me that may be discouraged from saying they PREFER the A models for
whatever reason. My first RV was a -4. I had zero time in a TW so I
received instruction in a Citabria for the requisite number of hours to
get proficient in both three point & wheel landing for both regular &
X-wind situations. I then went on to add 200+ landings in my -4 which
should be enough to get a few of them right. The issue with my -4 was
W&B as I was not able to take any of my fat ass golf buddies with me for
trips or local tours so I decided to get a side by side plane. I took a
flight in a friend's 6A and was sold on the performance Vans built into
that great design. I chose to buy a 6A and specifically selected the A
for its overall ground and landing characteristics. While I became
proficient at landing the -4 in most conditions I look like a genius
landing the 6A because of the nose wheel. I basically never land with a
bounce, hop or generally even a chirp. Often I can set the mains down so
gently that I feel the wheels start spinning as they make contact with
the runway. Now I did not instantly become a better pilot when I started
flying the A model? No the A's were just a lot easier for ME to land.
And personally it's just as fun holding the nose wheel off the ground as
long as I can as it was flying the tail until I ran out of lift.
I tend to give a lot of "never been in a small plane" people
local tours and I take pride in making their first landing something
other than the controlled crash that they expect and for me that is best
accomplished in an A design.
All that being said I am considering an RV-8A with a military
paint scheme and It just does not look right in a A configuration. The
things guys will do for good looks!
Robin Marks
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 375 hours
RV-10"A" First Flight Q1/Q2 2008
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Any pireps from the Miller fly-in?
I flew at sunset and I was actually able to see the horizon for the first
time in many weeks. Smooth & 65 degrees at 3000'. Ahhhh.....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
didn't make it cause 28A still clsd due to asphalt
work, re-opens in am and going to LKR for form.
practice...come down for lunch.
--- Larry Bowen wrote:
> Any pireps from the Miller fly-in?
>
> I flew at sunset and I was actually able to see the
> horizon for the first
> time in many weeks. Smooth & 65 degrees at 3000'.
> Ahhhh.....
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Thanks for the lunch invite, but I must make some progress on the overdue
kitchen project....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/15/07, bill crothers wrote:
>
> >
>
> didn't make it cause 28A still clsd due to asphalt
> work, re-opens in am and going to LKR for form.
> practice...come down for lunch.
> --- Larry Bowen wrote:
>
> > Any pireps from the Miller fly-in?
> >
> > I flew at sunset and I was actually able to see the
> > horizon for the first
> > time in many weeks. Smooth & 65 degrees at 3000'.
> > Ahhhh.....
> >
> > --
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Aircraft Mutual is ready to take deposits |
Don't know if anybody on the Southeast list would be interested in this
approach to self insurance or not, but here it is for your perusal.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: lorene washburn
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: FW: Aircraft Mutual is ready to take deposits
Tom Smith has asked that the following be forwarded to all RVers.
Lorene
_________________________________________________________________________
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--Forwarded Message Attachment--
CC:
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:04:57 -0700
From: info(at)aircraftmutual.com
Subject: Aircraft Mutual is ready to take deposits
This letter is to update all interested prospected members regarding
progress we have made in making Aircraft Mutual group a reality.
Initially we were hoping to provide aircraft hull coverage and
builder=92s risk. We have discovered that we could provide a better
package to the RV builder that also includes liability coverage. Sort
of a one stop shop for your insurance needs.
In June we had a meeting with the broker to discuss the
possibilities to offer an alternative insurance product to RV builders
and flyers. We were advised that the concept was good and the next step
would be to have an actuarial study and an independent audit to verify
that the program would be a financial success to the members of the
group. This information from these studies would be used to assess the
feasibility of the program. This in turn would be presented to different
underwriter insurers to purchase the master insurance coverage above the
group deductible to make the program function. We will be seeking quotes
from several insurers to obtain the best cost for the group. Once an
agreeable quote is provided, the cost of premiums will be established to
fund the insurance. This will allow us to provide a fixed cost for
annual premiums for each member.
The group will be a captive program essentially insuring itself up
to a certain amount. This amount will be established by the financial
audit and the actuaries. If that amount is exceeded then the excess
insurance will trigger and provide coverage.
The estimated costs to complete the actuarial study, financial audit
and feasibility study are estimated at $30,000.00 to $45,000.00.
How the program will work.
1. Each member will have a membership fee to belong to the
program. This feel will be $2000.00 and will be a one time membership
fee to establish your personal membership account. All members will
start with a $2000.00 account. As profits are realized in this business
a portion of those profits will go into your member account proportional
to the balance in the account. (A similar process as what happens in
your USAA insurance account, if you are insured by USAA.)
2. As capital exceeds that required by the company for reserves
and normal customary business expenses a return on premium will be sent
to the member on the anniversary of their membership. This premium
rebate will be in addition to the 25% reduction that they receive by
being in the group.
3. If the member no longer is flying a RV and wants to withdraw
from Aircraft Mutual Benefit they will receive the balance on their
membership account as a final settlement and the membership shall be
terminated at that time. If conditions change and they want to return
membership they shall again have to open their membership account with
the preliminary deposit. This balance is subject to annual losses from
operations.
At this time we would like to start collecting a portion of the
membership fee in the amount of $150.00 per member to fund the various
studies that are needed to go forth. This money would be credited
towards the initial membership fee but will not committed until we have
contracted for the audit and feasibility studies.
By asking for a percentage of the membership fee we are able to get
an indication of the willingness of the RV population at large to
participate in such a program. We will return all the money in the
event we do not reach the $30,000.00 to $45,000.00 required to complete
the studies. If we do receive the necessary interest and funds then we
will consider that as a down payment on the membership account.
We look forward to your response and participation to become a
member of this group. Considering the safety record of RV aircraft we
can start insuring ourselves and paying for ourselves not the entire
general aviation market.
Bob Kaufmann
Rick Sked
Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co.
Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co.
bob(at)AIRCRAFTMUTUAL.COM
rick(at)AIRCRAFTMUTUAL.COM
PS We are asking that the checks be sent to Aircraft Mutual at 1930
Village Center Circle, Suite 3-833, Las Vegas, NV 89134. If you are
going to LOE then I will be around Russ Daves RV-10 but will be wearing
an Aircraft Mutual Polo and Hat. I would welcome questions and potential
deposits there also. We are expecting that all will be in place and
finished by the first of the year and the RV community can begin to self
cover itself at that time.
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| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Aircraft Mutual is ready to take deposits |
This should be a good deal if they can get enough members to make a go
of it. I have sent in my $$$ and hope they can get enough to get
started.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fw: Aircraft Mutual is ready to take
deposits
Don't know if anybody on the Southeast list would be interested in
this approach to self insurance or not, but here it is for your perusal.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: lorene washburn
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: FW: Aircraft Mutual is ready to take deposits
Tom Smith has asked that the following be forwarded to all RVers.
Lorene
_________________________________________________________________________
___________
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who knows. 5433
--Forwarded Message Attachment--
CC:
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:04:57 -0700
From: info(at)aircraftmutual.com
Subject: Aircraft Mutual is ready to take deposits
This letter is to update all interested prospected members
regarding progress we have made in making Aircraft Mutual group a
reality. Initially we were hoping to provide aircraft hull coverage and
builder=92s risk. We have discovered that we could provide a better
package to the RV builder that also includes liability coverage. Sort
of a one stop shop for your insurance needs.
In June we had a meeting with the broker to discuss the
possibilities to offer an alternative insurance product to RV builders
and flyers. We were advised that the concept was good and the next step
would be to have an actuarial study and an independent audit to verify
that the program would be a financial success to the members of the
group. This information from these studies would be used to assess the
feasibility of the program. This in turn would be presented to different
underwriter insurers to purchase the master insurance coverage above the
group deductible to make the program function. We will be seeking quotes
from several insurers to obtain the best cost for the group. Once an
agreeable quote is provided, the cost of premiums will be established to
fund the insurance. This will allow us to provide a fixed cost for
annual premiums for each member.
The group will be a captive program essentially insuring itself up
to a certain amount. This amount will be established by the financial
audit and the actuaries. If that amount is exceeded then the excess
insurance will trigger and provide coverage.
The estimated costs to complete the actuarial study, financial
audit and feasibility study are estimated at $30,000.00 to $45,000.00.
How the program will work.
1. Each member will have a membership fee to belong to the
program. This feel will be $2000.00 and will be a one time membership
fee to establish your personal membership account. All members will
start with a $2000.00 account. As profits are realized in this business
a portion of those profits will go into your member account proportional
to the balance in the account. (A similar process as what happens in
your USAA insurance account, if you are insured by USAA.)
2. As capital exceeds that required by the company for
reserves and normal customary business expenses a return on premium will
be sent to the member on the anniversary of their membership. This
premium rebate will be in addition to the 25% reduction that they
receive by being in the group.
3. If the member no longer is flying a RV and wants to
withdraw from Aircraft Mutual Benefit they will receive the balance on
their membership account as a final settlement and the membership shall
be terminated at that time. If conditions change and they want to
return membership they shall again have to open their membership account
with the preliminary deposit. This balance is subject to annual losses
from operations.
At this time we would like to start collecting a portion of the
membership fee in the amount of $150.00 per member to fund the various
studies that are needed to go forth. This money would be credited
towards the initial membership fee but will not committed until we have
contracted for the audit and feasibility studies.
By asking for a percentage of the membership fee we are able to
get an indication of the willingness of the RV population at large to
participate in such a program. We will return all the money in the
event we do not reach the $30,000.00 to $45,000.00 required to complete
the studies. If we do receive the necessary interest and funds then we
will consider that as a down payment on the membership account.
We look forward to your response and participation to become a
member of this group. Considering the safety record of RV aircraft we
can start insuring ourselves and paying for ourselves not the entire
general aviation market.
Bob Kaufmann
Rick Sked
Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co.
Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co.
bob(at)AIRCRAFTMUTUAL.COM
rick(at)AIRCRAFTMUTUAL.COM
PS We are asking that the checks be sent to Aircraft Mutual at
1930 Village Center Circle, Suite 3-833, Las Vegas, NV 89134. If you
are going to LOE then I will be around Russ Daves RV-10 but will be
wearing an Aircraft Mutual Polo and Hat. I would welcome questions and
potential deposits there also. We are expecting that all will be in
place and finished by the first of the year and the RV community can
begin to self cover itself at that time.
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| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Triple Tree Fly-In |
So, who's going to Triple Tree?
Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is one
of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find a
7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport. Check
it out on AirNav:
http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
A schedule of events:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
Arrival procedures:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend the
BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and
spend most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming
airshow at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike ride or
car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
I plan to head over today as well and be there for Saturday.
I think that Saturday is the LAST day.
It would be REALLY NICE to see a LOT of RV's there!
James
On 9/28/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> So, who's going to Triple Tree?
>
> Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is one of
> the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find a 7000 foot
> long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
>
> The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport. Check it
> out on AirNav:
> http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
>
> A schedule of events:
> http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
>
> Arrival procedures:
> http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
>
> Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend the BBQ
> dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and spend most
> of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several training/practice
> formation flights in preparation for our upcoming airshow at Augusta (Oct
> 20-21).
>
> If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike ride or
> car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
To: RV Southeast List
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
So, who's going to Triple Tree?
Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is one
of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find a
7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport.
Check it out on AirNav:
http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
A schedule of events:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
Arrival procedures:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend the
BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and
spend most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming
airshow at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike ride
or car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "bburril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
Ron,a couple of us are going there today to have lunch.Be there for a
couple of hours and then going back tomorrow.We are going to leave
bradford about 10:30 if you are insterested.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
To: RV Southeast List
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
So, who's going to Triple Tree?
Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is one
of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find a
7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport.
Check it out on AirNav:
http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
A schedule of events:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
Arrival procedures:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend the
BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and
spend most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming
airshow at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike ride
or car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
See ya there!
James of "The Thedford Three" :-)
On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>
> Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ron Schreck
> *To:* RV Southeast List
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
>
> So, who's going to Triple Tree?
>
> Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is one of
> the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find a 7000 foot
> long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
>
> The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport. Check it
> out on AirNav:
> http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
>
> A schedule of events:
> http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
>
> Arrival procedures:
> http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
>
> Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend the BBQ
> dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and spend most
> of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several training/practice
> formation flights in preparation for our upcoming airshow at Augusta (Oct
> 20-21).
>
> If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike ride or
> car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
Watch out the coordinates on their web site are wrong. Use AIRNAV SC00.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: James Clark
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
See ya there!
James of "The Thedford Three" :-)
On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
To: RV Southeast List
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
So, who's going to Triple Tree?
Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is
one of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find a
7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport.
Check it out on AirNav:
http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
A schedule of events:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
Arrival procedures:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend
the BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and
spend most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming
airshow at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike
ride or car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
Leave it to Cappy to catch an error in the coordinates :-) inside joke!
Wish we could be there, but Miriam has to work tomorrow and I'm hosting a
skeet shoot on the farm for the guys at church as well. Sounds like a ton
of fun, and a runway to make me ashamed of this one.
Not sure who they are, but I say, "Free the Thedford Three!" anyhow. I'm
certain they're innocent.
-Stormy
On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>
> Watch out the coordinates on their web site are wrong. Use AIRNAV SC00.
>
> Cappy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Clark
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 7:40 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
>
> See ya there!
>
> James of "The Thedford Three" :-)
>
>
> On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow > wrote:
> >
> > Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Ron Schreck
> > *To:* RV Southeast List
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
> > *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> >
> > So, who's going to Triple Tree?
> >
> > Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is one
> > of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find a 7000
> > foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
> >
> > The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport. Check
> > it out on AirNav:
> > http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
> >
> > A schedule of events:
> > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
> >
> > Arrival procedures:
> > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
> >
> > Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend the
> > BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and spend
> > most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
> > training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming airshow
> > at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
> >
> > If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike ride or
> > car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
> >
> > Ron Schreck
> > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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> > *
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> > *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
Hint: Thedford, Nebraska. :-)
(They were finally freed!!! :-) )
James
(ask Cappy)
On 9/28/07, Bill Boyd wrote:
>
> Leave it to Cappy to catch an error in the coordinates :-) inside joke!
>
> Wish we could be there, but Miriam has to work tomorrow and I'm hosting a
> skeet shoot on the farm for the guys at church as well. Sounds like a ton
> of fun, and a runway to make me ashamed of this one.
>
> Not sure who they are, but I say, "Free the Thedford Three!" anyhow. I'm
> certain they're innocent.
>
> -Stormy
>
> On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>
> > Watch out the coordinates on their web site are wrong. Use AIRNAV
> > SC00.
> >
> > Cappy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* James Clark
> > *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 7:40 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> >
> > See ya there!
> >
> > James of "The Thedford Three" :-)
> >
> >
> > On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Ron Schreck
> > > *To:* RV Southeast List
> > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
> > > *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> > >
> > > So, who's going to Triple Tree?
> > >
> > > Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is
> > > one of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find a
> > > 7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
> > >
> > > The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport.
> > > Check it out on AirNav:
> > > http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
> > >
> > > A schedule of events:
> > > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
> > >
> > > Arrival procedures:
> > > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
> > >
> > >
> > > Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend the
> > > BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and spend
> > > most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
> > > training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming airshow
> > > at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
> > >
> > > If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike ride
> > > or car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
> > >
> > > Ron Schreck
> > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > >
> > > *
> > >
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> > >
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| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
Must be a current event I missed; if it ain't discussed here, odds are I
don't know it's going on...
Was this a weather-related tragedy on the way home from Yellowstone.
perhaps? One that could have been averted by following a certain intrepid
RV-6A down south to the Canyon?? Just guessing.
On 9/28/07, James Clark wrote:
>
> Hint: Thedford, Nebraska. :-)
>
> (They were finally freed!!! :-) )
>
> James
> (ask Cappy)
>
> On 9/28/07, Bill Boyd < sportav8r(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Leave it to Cappy to catch an error in the coordinates :-) inside joke!
> >
> >
> > Wish we could be there, but Miriam has to work tomorrow and I'm hosting
> > a skeet shoot on the farm for the guys at church as well. Sounds like a ton
> > of fun, and a runway to make me ashamed of this one.
> >
> > Not sure who they are, but I say, "Free the Thedford Three!" anyhow.
> > I'm certain they're innocent.
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> >
> > > Watch out the coordinates on their web site are wrong. Use AIRNAV
> > > SC00.
> > >
> > > Cappy
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* James Clark
> > > *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 7:40 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> > >
> > > See ya there!
> > >
> > > James of "The Thedford Three" :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > *From:* Ron Schreck
> > > > *To:* RV Southeast List
> > > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
> > > > *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> > > >
> > > > So, who's going to Triple Tree?
> > > >
> > > > Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is
> > > > one of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find
a
> > > > 7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
> > > >
> > > > The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport.
> > > > Check it out on AirNav:
> > > > http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
> > > >
> > > > A schedule of events:
> > > > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
> > > >
> > > > Arrival procedures:
> > > > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend
> > > > the BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and
> > > > spend most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
> > > > training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming airshow
> > > > at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
> > > >
> > > > If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike
> > > > ride or car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
> > > >
> > > > Ron Schreck
> > > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
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| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
This is from Google:
"Thomas County Airport is located one mile south of Thedford, Nebraska,
in Thomas County. Thedford has a population of 231. The 591-acre airport
opened in 1998. The primary runway, Runway 11/29, is an asphalt runway
measuring 3,600 feet in length and 50 feet in width. There are three
aircraft based there."
I guess James has one of his airplanes based there. What else could it
be!
Smokey
The airport, with three based aircraft, experiences
----- Original Message -----
From: James Clark
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
Hint: Thedford, Nebraska. :-)
(They were finally freed!!! :-) )
James
(ask Cappy)
On 9/28/07, Bill Boyd < sportav8r(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Leave it to Cappy to catch an error in the coordinates :-) inside
joke!
Wish we could be there, but Miriam has to work tomorrow and I'm
hosting a skeet shoot on the farm for the guys at church as well.
Sounds like a ton of fun, and a runway to make me ashamed of this one.
Not sure who they are, but I say, "Free the Thedford Three!" anyhow.
I'm certain they're innocent.
-Stormy
On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
Watch out the coordinates on their web site are wrong. Use AIRNAV
SC00.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: James Clark
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
See ya there!
James of "The Thedford Three" :-)
On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
To: RV Southeast List
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
So, who's going to Triple Tree?
Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome
(SC00) is one of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will
you find a 7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting
green!
The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown
airport. Check it out on AirNav:
http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
A schedule of events:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
Arrival procedures:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and
attend the BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp
overnight and spend most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be
doing several training/practice formation flights in preparation for our
upcoming airshow at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a
bike ride or car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you
there.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
Stormy and Smokey, you are BOTH "on the money!". :-)
Thedford, NE (population 250 we were told, with a county population of 500)
is where Cappy, his lovely bride and I spent a wonderful few days getting to
know the local population.
It could have been averted if we had gone down the canyon yes Stormy, or if
we had backtracked as we came out. But we were on an important mission and
due to a technical difficulty with the local gas pumps, we got delayed until
the weather caught us! The way I put it, we were either 5 minutes from being
"in the clear" or 4 minutes from being headlines. So we turned around and
spent some time with the nice, accommodating folks in Thedford ...
especially Roy and his wonderful wife.
The hangar was built for three planes it seemed and there were actually 4 in
there (including a 140 kinda hanging by the tail). We were able with the
kind assistance of Roy, to get AND ADDITIONAL 2(!) airplanes (RV8 and RV6)
in there to avoid the forecasted hailstorm! So, yes Smokey, for a while 20%
of the flying airplanes hangared at Thedford belonged to me. :-)
We had a nice time .. it just took us three days to get home.
The story is much longer and one day I might write it up.
James
On 9/28/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> This is from Google:
>
> "Thomas County Airport is located one mile south of Thedford, Nebraska, in
> Thomas County. Thedford has a population of 231. The 591-acre airport opened
> in 1998. The primary runway, Runway 11/29, is an asphalt runway measuring
> 3,600 feet in length and 50 feet in width. There are three aircraft based
> there."
>
> I guess James has one of his airplanes based there. What else could it
> be!
>
> Smokey
>
>
> The airport, with three based aircraft, experiences
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Clark
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 11:33 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
>
> Hint: Thedford, Nebraska. :-)
>
> (They were finally freed!!! :-) )
>
> James
> (ask Cappy)
>
> On 9/28/07, Bill Boyd < sportav8r(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Leave it to Cappy to catch an error in the coordinates :-) inside joke!
> >
> >
> > Wish we could be there, but Miriam has to work tomorrow and I'm hosting
> > a skeet shoot on the farm for the guys at church as well. Sounds like a ton
> > of fun, and a runway to make me ashamed of this one.
> >
> > Not sure who they are, but I say, "Free the Thedford Three!" anyhow.
> > I'm certain they're innocent.
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> >
> > > Watch out the coordinates on their web site are wrong. Use AIRNAV
> > > SC00.
> > >
> > > Cappy
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* James Clark
> > > *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 7:40 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> > >
> > > See ya there!
> > >
> > > James of "The Thedford Three" :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > *From:* Ron Schreck
> > > > *To:* RV Southeast List
> > > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
> > > > *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> > > >
> > > > So, who's going to Triple Tree?
> > > >
> > > > Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is
> > > > one of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find
a
> > > > 7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
> > > >
> > > > The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport.
> > > > Check it out on AirNav:
> > > > http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
> > > >
> > > > A schedule of events:
> > > > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
> > > >
> > > > Arrival procedures:
> > > > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend
> > > > the BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and
> > > > spend most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
> > > > training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming airshow
> > > > at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
> > > >
> > > > If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike
> > > > ride or car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
> > > >
> > > > Ron Schreck
> > > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
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| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
I for one would enjoy reading the account, James. You're the man to write
it up. GO for it.
-Stormy, who had a similar adventure getting out of Clinton, OK on his own
way home that week...
On 9/28/07, James Clark wrote:
>
> Stormy and Smokey, you are BOTH "on the money!". :-)
>
> Thedford, NE (population 250 we were told, with a county population of
> 500) is where Cappy, his lovely bride and I spent a wonderful few days
> getting to know the local population.
>
> It could have been averted if we had gone down the canyon yes Stormy, or
> if we had backtracked as we came out. But we were on an important mission
> and due to a technical difficulty with the local gas pumps, we got delayed
> until the weather caught us! The way I put it, we were either 5 minutes from
> being "in the clear" or 4 minutes from being headlines. So we turned around
> and spent some time with the nice, accommodating folks in Thedford ...
> especially Roy and his wonderful wife.
>
> The hangar was built for three planes it seemed and there were actually 4
> in there (including a 140 kinda hanging by the tail). We were able with the
> kind assistance of Roy, to get AND ADDITIONAL 2(!) airplanes (RV8 and RV6)
> in there to avoid the forecasted hailstorm! So, yes Smokey, for a while 20%
> of the flying airplanes hangared at Thedford belonged to me. :-)
>
> We had a nice time .. it just took us three days to get home.
>
> The story is much longer and one day I might write it up.
>
> James
>
>
> On 9/28/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> > This is from Google:
> >
> > "Thomas County Airport is located one mile south of Thedford, Nebraska,
> > in Thomas County. Thedford has a population of 231. The 591-acre airport
> > opened in 1998. The primary runway, Runway 11/29, is an asphalt runway
> > measuring 3,600 feet in length and 50 feet in width. There are three
> > aircraft based there."
> >
> > I guess James has one of his airplanes based there. What else could it
> > be!
> >
> > Smokey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The airport, with three based aircraft, experiences
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* James Clark
> > *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 11:33 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> >
> > Hint: Thedford, Nebraska. :-)
> >
> > (They were finally freed!!! :-) )
> >
> > James
> > (ask Cappy)
> >
> > On 9/28/07, Bill Boyd < sportav8r(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Leave it to Cappy to catch an error in the coordinates :-) inside
> > > joke!
> > >
> > > Wish we could be there, but Miriam has to work tomorrow and I'm
> > > hosting a skeet shoot on the farm for the guys at church as well. Sounds
> > > like a ton of fun, and a runway to make me ashamed of this one.
> > >
> > > Not sure who they are, but I say, "Free the Thedford Three!" anyhow.
> > > I'm certain they're innocent.
> > >
> > > -Stormy
> > >
> > > On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> > >
> > > > Watch out the coordinates on their web site are wrong. Use AIRNAV
> > > > SC00.
> > > >
> > > > Cappy
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > *From:* James Clark
> > > > *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 7:40 AM
> > > > *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> > > >
> > > > See ya there!
> > > >
> > > > James of "The Thedford Three" :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > *From:* Ron Schreck
> > > > > *To:* RV Southeast List
> > > > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> > > > >
> > > > > So, who's going to Triple Tree?
> > > > >
> > > > > Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00)
> > > > > is one of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you
find a
> > > > > 7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
> > > > >
> > > > > The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport.
> > > > > Check it out on AirNav:
> > > > > http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
> > > > >
> > > > > A schedule of events:
> > > > > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Arrival procedures:
> > > > > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend
> > > > > the BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and
> > > > > spend most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
> > > > > training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming airshow
> > > > > at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike
> > > > > ride or car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Schreck
> > > > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://forums.matronics.com
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://forums.matronics.comjames@nextupventures.com .
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://forums.matronics.com
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > * <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List*
> > > > * <http://forums.matronics.com>
> > > >
> > > > http://forums.matronics.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > > > http://forums.matronics.com
> > > > james(at)nextupventures.com .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> > > > http://forums.matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > > **
> > * <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List*
> > * <http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.comjames@nextupventures.com .
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Isler" <jlisler(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Thomasville, GA Fly-In Oct. 12, 13, 14 |
This a great fly-in if you can make it. There are normally several
hundred aircraft in attendance over the three days of the event.
Obviously Saturday is the better attendance day. Of all the fly-ins I
attend this one has been my favorite.
The dates are 10/12, 10/13, and 10/14
See www.thomasvilleflyin.com
Jerry Isler
Donalsonville, GA
RV4 N455J
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6(at)COMCAST.NET> |
| Subject: | Thomasville, GA Fly-In Oct. 12, 13, 14 |
Evergreen AL Regional EAA fly-in on the same dates. Can we get some input on
which one is going to have the bigger turn out? Can we go to both? If both
which day / time for each. Which one has better camping? KTVI to KGZH is 165
nm or 1 hour.
Thanks,
Dale
RV6a
Youtube "lionheart33029" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOMojVM0F44
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Isler
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Thomasville, GA Fly-In Oct. 12, 13, 14
This a great fly-in if you can make it. There are normally several hundred
aircraft in attendance over the three days of the event. Obviously Saturday
is the better attendance day. Of all the fly-ins I attend this one has been
my favorite.
The dates are 10/12, 10/13, and 10/14
See www. <http://www.thomasvilleflyin.com> thomasvilleflyin.com
Jerry Isler
Donalsonville, GA
RV4 N455J
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Triple Tree Fly-In |
Ah, yes. Lots of memories on that trip. All good ones, despite the
challenges.
Can't make it to SC00. Hope to see ya'll soon though.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 9/28/07, Bill Boyd wrote:
>
> I for one would enjoy reading the account, James. You're the man to write
> it up. GO for it.
>
> -Stormy, who had a similar adventure getting out of Clinton, OK on his own
> way home that week...
>
> On 9/28/07, James Clark wrote:
> >
> > Stormy and Smokey, you are BOTH "on the money!". :-)
> >
> > Thedford, NE (population 250 we were told, with a county population of
> > 500) is where Cappy, his lovely bride and I spent a wonderful few days
> > getting to know the local population.
> >
> > It could have been averted if we had gone down the canyon yes Stormy, or
> > if we had backtracked as we came out. But we were on an important mission
> > and due to a technical difficulty with the local gas pumps, we got delayed
> > until the weather caught us! The way I put it, we were either 5 minutes from
> > being "in the clear" or 4 minutes from being headlines. So we turned around
> > and spent some time with the nice, accommodating folks in Thedford ...
> > especially Roy and his wonderful wife.
> >
> > The hangar was built for three planes it seemed and there were actually
> > 4 in there (including a 140 kinda hanging by the tail). We were able with
> > the kind assistance of Roy, to get AND ADDITIONAL 2(!) airplanes (RV8 and
> > RV6) in there to avoid the forecasted hailstorm! So, yes Smokey, for a while
> > 20% of the flying airplanes hangared at Thedford belonged to me. :-)
> >
> > We had a nice time .. it just took us three days to get home.
> >
> > The story is much longer and one day I might write it up.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > On 9/28/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
> >
> > > This is from Google:
> > >
> > > "Thomas County Airport is located one mile south of Thedford,
> > > Nebraska, in Thomas County. Thedford has a population of 231. The 591-acre
> > > airport opened in 1998. The primary runway, Runway 11/29, is an asphalt
> > > runway measuring 3,600 feet in length and 50 feet in width. There are three
> > > aircraft based there."
> > >
> > > I guess James has one of his airplanes based there. What else could
> > > it be!
> > >
> > > Smokey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The airport, with three based aircraft, experiences
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* James Clark
> > > *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 11:33 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> > >
> > > Hint: Thedford, Nebraska. :-)
> > >
> > > (They were finally freed!!! :-) )
> > >
> > > James
> > > (ask Cappy)
> > >
> > > On 9/28/07, Bill Boyd < sportav8r(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Leave it to Cappy to catch an error in the coordinates :-) inside
> > > > joke!
> > > >
> > > > Wish we could be there, but Miriam has to work tomorrow and I'm
> > > > hosting a skeet shoot on the farm for the guys at church as well. Sounds
> > > > like a ton of fun, and a runway to make me ashamed of this one.
> > > >
> > > > Not sure who they are, but I say, "Free the Thedford Three!"
> > > > anyhow. I'm certain they're innocent.
> > > >
> > > > -Stormy
> > > >
> > > > On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Watch out the coordinates on their web site are wrong. Use
> > > > > AIRNAV SC00.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cappy
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > *From:* James Clark
> > > > > *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 7:40 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> > > > >
> > > > > See ya there!
> > > > >
> > > > > James of "The Thedford Three" :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > *From:* Ron Schreck
> > > > > > *To:* RV Southeast List
> > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
> > > > > > *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, who's going to Triple Tree?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00)
> > > > > > is one of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you
find a
> > > > > > 7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown
> > > > > > airport. Check it out on AirNav:
> > > > > > http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A schedule of events:
> > > > > > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arrival procedures:
> > > > > > http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and
> > > > > > attend the BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight
> > > > > > and spend most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
> > > > > > training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming
airshow
> > > > > > at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike
> > > > > > ride or car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron Schreck
> > > > > > RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> > > > > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > > > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *
> > > > > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://forums.matronics.comjames@nextupventures.com .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > > > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > * <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List*
> > > > > * <http://forums.matronics.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://forums.matronics.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > > > >
> > > > > http://forums.matronics.com
> > > > >
> > > > > james(at)nextupventures.com .
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> > > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">
> > > > >
> > > > > http://forums.matronics.com
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > **
> > > * <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>
> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List*
> > > * <http://forums.matronics.com>
> > > http://forums.matronics.comjames@nextupventures.com .
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > **
> > > * <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List*
> > > * <http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com
> > > *
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | Triple Tree Fly-In |
Unfortunately Nora and I will not be there.
Something called "work" is getting in the way. :(
Have fun!
BTW, there is a also a fly-in at Long Island (That would be NC not NY)
on Saturday.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
Clark
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
See ya there!
James of "The Thedford Three" :-)
On 9/28/07, Steve Glasgow > wrote:
Cappy and Randy are in for Friday, leaving Saturday.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck <mailto:ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:13 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Triple Tree Fly-In
So, who's going to Triple Tree?
Need something to do this weekend? Triple Tree Airdrome (SC00) is one
of the most unique venues you will find. Where else will you find a
7000 foot long grass strip! And its as smooth as a putting green!
The field is just 15 miles south of Spartanburg Downtown airport. Check
it out on AirNav:
http://airnav.com/airport/SC00
A schedule of events:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/
Arrival procedures:
http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991
<http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/faq/index.php?faq 070815132808991>
Kathy and I are planning to arrive about 5 PM on Friday and attend the
BBQ dinner and see the blue grass band. We will camp overnight and
spend most of Saturday at the fly-in. TeamRV will be doing several
training/practice formation flights in preparation for our upcoming
airshow at Augusta (Oct 20-21).
If you don't fly-in this might be a great destination for a bike ride or
car trip on Saturday or Sunday! Hope to see some of you there.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
http://forums.matronics.com
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Insurance for First Flight |
Hi All,
Does anyone know of a good insurance company that will insure first flights?
I've had a builders insurance policy with Avemco for 3 years and just
found out they won't insure the first flight of my RV-7A.
And while i'm on the subject, if you have good experiences with a particular
insurance company after your RV is flying please let me know. I would like
to find low premiums, but I also want a company that will step up to the
plate in the event of an accident.
Thanks,
Greg
_________________________________________________________________
Gear up for Halo 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Insurance for First Flight |
Falcon (through EAA) will do that.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Vouga
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
Hi All,
Does anyone know of a good insurance company that will insure first flights?
I've had a builders insurance policy with Avemco for 3 years and just
found out they won't insure the first flight of my RV-7A.
And while i'm on the subject, if you have good experiences with a particular
insurance company after your RV is flying please let me know. I would like
to find low premiums, but I also want a company that will step up to the
plate in the event of an accident.
Thanks,
Greg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Can't address the first flight issue. I originally had insurance with
AVEMCO which covered my first flight (back in 1997), however, the more hours
I accumulated in the aircraft the higher my insurance rates went - just the
opposite of what you would expect.
I am now insured with AIG through SkySmith. I have a rotary powered RV-6A
and my rates are less than $1100 year for $60K hull and usual liability
limits
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://www.andersonee.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know of a good insurance company that will insure first
> flights? I've had a builders insurance policy with Avemco for 3 years and
> just found out they won't insure the first flight of my RV-7A.
>
> And while i'm on the subject, if you have good experiences with a
> particular insurance company after your RV is flying please let me know.
> I would like to find low premiums, but I also want a company that will
> step up to the plate in the event of an accident.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Gear up for Halo 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer.
> http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
We have always insured our planes, from first flight on, with AUA in
Greensboro. Mac McGee has been wonderful to work with. His number is
800-727-3823,
Blue Skies,
Becki Orndorff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know of a good insurance company that will insure first
> flights? I've had a builders insurance policy with Avemco for 3 years and
> just found out they won't insure the first flight of my RV-7A.
>
> And while i'm on the subject, if you have good experiences with a
> particular insurance company after your RV is flying please let me know.
> I would like to find low premiums, but I also want a company that will
> step up to the plate in the event of an accident.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Gear up for Halo 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer.
> http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
I also use AUA and I am very happy with them.
Len Leggette
In a message dated 10/2/2007 9:46:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
becki@fly-gbi.com writes:
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Becki" <becki@fly-gbi.com>
We have always insured our planes, from first flight on, with AUA in
Greensboro. Mac McGee has been wonderful to work with. His number is
800-727-3823,
Blue Skies,
Becki Orndorff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
m>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know of a good insurance company that will insure first
> flights? I've had a builders insurance policy with Avemco for 3 years and
> just found out they won't insure the first flight of my RV-7A.
>
> And while i'm on the subject, if you have good experiences with a
> particular insurance company after your RV is flying please let me know.
> I would like to find low premiums, but I also want a company that will
> step up to the plate in the event of an accident.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Gear up for Halo=AE 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer.
> http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Who is this guy Leggette? Wasn't he a member here like 2 years ago or
something? I vaguely remember him... wheel pants on fire, under-powered -8A
with oil leaking out, always something interesting ;-)
-Stormy
On 10/2/07, Lenleg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> I also use AUA and I am very happy with them.
>
> Len Leggette
>
>
> In a message dated 10/2/2007 9:46:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> becki@fly-gbi.com writes:
>
>
> We have always insured our planes, from first flight on, with AUA in
> Greensboro. Mac McGee has been wonderful to work with. His number is
> 800-727-3823,
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Becki Orndorff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:02 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
>
>
> gmvouga(at)hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Does anyone know of a good insurance company that will insure first
> > flights? I've had a builders insurance policy with Avemco for 3 years
> and
> > just found out they won't insure the first flight of my RV-7A.
> >
> > And while i'm on the subject, if you have good experiences with a
> > particular insurance company after your RV is flying please let me know.
>
> > I would like to find low premiums, but I also want a company that will
> > step up to the plate in the event of an accident.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Gear up for Halo(r) 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer.
> > http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | "Larry Fussell" <l-fussell(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Call Victoria Pate Ace Aviation Insurance Athens Ga Cell 678-491-4800
office 706-549-7005 she did a great job getting me insured on my 7A when I
ran into the same issue.
Regards,
Larry Fussell
N13LF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know of a good insurance company that will insure first
> flights? I've had a builders insurance policy with Avemco for 3 years and
> just found out they won't insure the first flight of my RV-7A.
>
> And while i'm on the subject, if you have good experiences with a
> particular insurance company after your RV is flying please let me know.
> I would like to find low premiums, but I also want a company that will
> step up to the plate in the event of an accident.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
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| From: | "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Thanks to everyone who responded. It looks like I have 4 companies to call,
AIG, AUA, Falcon, and Ace Aviation. I'll post a report of the results after
I talk to everyone.
I hope to see everyone in the skies around NC soon!
Greg
RV-7A
Finishing wiring
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>Does anyone know of a good insurance company that will insure first
>>flights? I've had a builders insurance policy with Avemco for 3 years and
>>just found out they won't insure the first flight of my RV-7A.
>>
>>And while i'm on the subject, if you have good experiences with a
>>particular insurance company after your RV is flying please let me know. I
>>would like to find low premiums, but I also want a company that will step
>>up to the plate in the event of an accident.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Greg
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Gear up for Halo 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer.
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>>
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| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
We have had very good service from NationAir.
Multiple planes and first flights.
James
On 10/3/07, Greg Vouga wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded. It looks like I have 4 companies to
> call,
> AIG, AUA, Falcon, and Ace Aviation. I'll post a report of the results
> after
> I talk to everyone.
>
> I hope to see everyone in the skies around NC soon!
>
> Greg
> RV-7A
> Finishing wiring
>
>
> gmvouga(at)hotmail.com>
> >>
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>Does anyone know of a good insurance company that will insure first
> >>flights? I've had a builders insurance policy with Avemco for 3 years
> and
> >>just found out they won't insure the first flight of my RV-7A.
> >>
> >>And while i'm on the subject, if you have good experiences with a
> >>particular insurance company after your RV is flying please let me know.
> I
> >>would like to find low premiums, but I also want a company that will
> step
> >>up to the plate in the event of an accident.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Greg
> >>
> >>_________________________________________________________________
> >>Gear up for Halo(r) 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer.
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Greg,
I too have been pleased with NationAir. Contact is Jenny Estes
877.475.5860. Like you, I had construction insurance with Avemco but
they would not insure the first flight.
When I made my first flight, NationAir wrote the insurance with AIG.
Something I never could understand was that AIG would not insure the
"test pilot" I had arranged for the first flight who had a lot more time
in RVs then I did and was a CFI. They would only insure me and no
passengers until the Phase 1 was flown off.
Last year NationAir switched me to Global Aerospace because of price.
Thankfully I've never had to make a claim so can't comment on that end
of the service.
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
The RVlist archive has some good info on insurance if you want more.
http://www.matronics.com/search/
Dale Ensing
We have had very good service from NationAir.
Multiple planes and first flights.
James
It looks like I have 4 companies to call, AIG, AUA, Falcon, and Ace
Aviation.
Greg
RV-7A
Finishing wiring
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
That was before I had the operation !!!
Lynn
In a message dated 10/2/2007 4:20:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sportav8r(at)gmail.com writes:
Who is this guy Leggette? Wasn't he a member here like 2 years ago or
something? I vaguely remember him... wheel pants on fire, under-powered -8
A with
oil leaking out, always something interesting ;-)
-Stormy
On 10/2/07, _Lenleg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Lenleg(at)aol.com) <_Lenleg(at)aol.com_
(mailto:Lenleg(at)aol.com) > wrote:
I also use AUA and I am very happy with them.
Len Leggette
In a message dated 10/2/2007 9:46:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
_becki@fly-gbi.com_ (mailto:becki@fly-gbi.com) writes:
(mailto:becki@fly-gbi.com) >
We have always insured our planes, from first flight on, with AUA in
Greensboro. Mac McGee has been wonderful to work with. His number is
800-727-3823,
Blue Skies,
Becki Orndorff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Vouga" <_gmvouga(at)hotmail.com_ (mailto:gmvouga(at)hotmail.com) >
)
>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
<_gmvouga(at)hotmail.com_ (mailto:gmvouga(at)hotmail.com) >
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know of a good insurance company that will insure first
> flights? I've had a builders insurance policy with Avemco for 3 years and
> just found out they won't insure the first flight of my RV-7A.
>
> And while i'm on the subject, if you have good experiences with a
> particular insurance company after your RV is flying please let me know.
> I would like to find low premiums, but I also want a company that will
> step up to the plate in the event of an accident.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among thieves."
That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy, they will not
talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will cancel my current policy
if they would give me a quote. They refuse! They have an unwritten rule
amongst themselves to not step on each others toes. Seems almost like
collusion to keep prices high and create a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Stan, if you have hull insurance say $20K for an aircraft worth say
$100k (therefore you are "underinsured") and are in an repairable
accident, the following could legally happen. If the salvage/resale
value of the hull is worth more than your $20K policy then the insurance
company can declare your hull "Totaled", pay you, your $20k, take
possession and sell the aircraft for it true "salvage" value of say
$75K. So instead of a loss to the insurance company they make a
"profit" of $55K on you accident. Not bad, eh?
I have hear of this happening but have no ideal whether this practice is
prevalent or not - you wouldn't think so, but with insurance companies
you never know. In any case, many believe it is better to have no hull
insurance rather than be "underinsured".
Ed.
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://www.andersonee.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy,
they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will
cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse!
They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each
others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create
a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Stan,
I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the
possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I
understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy,
they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will
cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse!
They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each
others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create
a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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| From: | "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com> |
| Subject: | Lots of Questions |
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of
ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that
soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of
questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want
to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the
southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these
aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me
bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
Steve,
I've owned a Europa trigear for 7 years and also have recently completed
building an RV 7A. Contact me off list and I think I can help you alot.
garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Crimm
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots
of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill
that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots
of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my
"want to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in
the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects
of these aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and
let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Radomir just received the quotes for his -7A and upon comparing notes,
there doesn't appear to be any conventional gear penalty assigned to my
RV-9. So those of you who are on the fence with regard to building a TW
or NW, don't let the urban legend regarding insuring a tail wheel keep
you from building the plane you REALY want.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Ensing
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Stan,
I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the
possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I
understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy,
they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will
cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse!
They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each
others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create
a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
FYI - the EAA's B-17 is at Concord (JQF) Friday, Saturday, & Sunday.
Stop in and go for a ride.
http://www.eaa309.org/B17/2007_b17_poster.pdf
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
Steve,
You may also want to consider the 9A for the primary missions you've stated.
Rgds
Matt Hurley
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Crimm <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com>
Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 7:28 pm
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and
Ladies,
?
And I will use the
gentlemen term loosely.
?
I?finalizing
the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers
and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in
my hangar.? Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it
would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the
forum.?
?
My final goal is an
aircraft that will be easy for?my wife and grand daughter to learn
to?fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast.?
Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these
aircraft.
?
So with that
said,?who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their
ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.?
?
Thanks,
?
Steve
Crimm
Roswell,
GA
?
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| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
| Subject: | Lots of Questions |
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a
great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's
and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's
why there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots
of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill
that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots
of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my
"want to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in
the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects
of these aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and
let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
MessageSteve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it...
cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do
an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend
your ear. the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make
a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's
and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true.
That's why there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots
of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill
that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots
of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my
"want to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in
the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects
of these aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and
let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tad Sargent" <Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Lots of Questions |
I am commander of the B-17 this weekend and cannot formate. You guys
getting together?
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it... cross
country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do an honest
evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear. the
ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci <mailto:bill(at)repucci.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a
great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and
cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's why
there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of
ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that
soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of
questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want
to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the
southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these
aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me
bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matron
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
MessageGee Bill, maybe it's the high level of ability and experience of
the tail wheel pilot!! .......in spite of the antique tail wheel design
;<)
Seriously, there are several factors that are considered when quoting
insurance on an airplane.
Owners total flying experience, time in type, type of airplane, where is
the airplane based, paved or grass runway, passed history of claims and
maybe the age of the primary pilot. One of my neighbor told me last
weekend that he is considering selling his Bonanza because of operating
cost with insurance being a primary factor because he is now 75.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First
Flight
Radomir just received the quotes for his -7A and upon comparing notes,
there doesn't appear to be any conventional gear penalty assigned to my
RV-9. So those of you who are on the fence with regard to building a TW
or NW, don't let the urban legend regarding insuring a tail wheel keep
you from building the plane you REALY want.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Ensing
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:39 AM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First
Flight
Stan,
I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of
the possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made
sure I understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy,
they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will
cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse!
They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each
others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create
a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
MessageGee Bill, maybe it's the high level of ability and experience of
the tail wheel pilot!! .......in spite of the antique tail wheel design
;<)
Seriously, there are several factors that are considered when quoting
insurance on an airplane.
Owners total flying experience, time in type, type of airplane, where is
the airplane based, paved or grass runway, passed history of claims and
maybe the age of the primary pilot. One of my neighbor told me last
weekend that he is considering selling his Bonanza because of operating
cost with insurance being a primary factor because he is now 75.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First
Flight
Radomir just received the quotes for his -7A and upon comparing notes,
there doesn't appear to be any conventional gear penalty assigned to my
RV-9. So those of you who are on the fence with regard to building a TW
or NW, don't let the urban legend regarding insuring a tail wheel keep
you from building the plane you REALY want.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Ensing
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:39 AM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First
Flight
Stan,
I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of
the possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made
sure I understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy,
they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will
cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse!
They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each
others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create
a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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| From: | "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com> |
| Subject: | Lots of Questions |
Nothing like a good challenge...
Wants and wishes
1. IFR capable for x-country
2. 180 HP
3. Want to be able to burn car gas
4. Want slider with tip up option
5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs ( fat asses...my wife just read
this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat)
6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage
7. Tri Gear
8. No acrobatics
9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army)
10. Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice)
11. $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K)
12. Elec Flaps and trim
13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have or
look for to be a happy RV'er
14. Constant speed prop
Steve
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 20:08
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it... cross
country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do an honest
evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear. the
ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci <mailto:bill(at)repucci.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a
great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and
cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's why
there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of
ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that
soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of
questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want
to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the
southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these
aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me
bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
It's still collusion. Have you ever heard an independent insurance agent
for homeowners, automotive, etc insurance tell you that?
You can bet that the same underwriters (meaning the actual insurance
companies, not the person sitting at the desk) give multiple agents
quotes on the same property every day when they are working in other fields.
I equate it to Lyc/Cont engine prices; they do it because they can.
BTW, don't let them convince you that the high rates are due to
'liability', either. If the issue was liability, then why is $1M of
liability only around $300-$400/yr, but $30K of hull is over twice that
premium?
Charlie
Dale Ensing wrote:
> Stan,
> I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the
> possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I
> understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
> insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
>
> The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
> agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
> an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
> and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
> agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
> same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
> exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Speedy11(at)aol.com
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
>
> Dale,
> What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
> I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
> thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance
> policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told
> them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote.
> They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not
> step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep
> prices high and create a sort of monopoly.
> Stan Sutterfield
>
>
> One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
> under
> insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
> agents
> and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All
> other agents
> will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> *
>
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| From: | "Radomir Zaric" <vitez(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Lots of Questions |
You can get one that meets pretty much all of the requirements mentioned
below for that money.. some assembly required, though. J
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Nothing like a good challenge...
Wants and wishes
1. IFR capable for x-country
2. 180 HP
3. Want to be able to burn car gas
4. Want slider with tip up option
5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs ( fat asses...my wife just read
this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat)
6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage
7. Tri Gear
8. No acrobatics
9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army)
10. Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice)
11. $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K)
12. Elec Flaps and trim
13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have or
look for to be a happy RV'er
14. Constant speed prop
Steve
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
I agree. Told him is was a blatant restraint of trade.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
>
>
> It's still collusion. Have you ever heard an independent insurance agent
> for homeowners, automotive, etc insurance tell you that?
>
> You can bet that the same underwriters (meaning the actual insurance
> companies, not the person sitting at the desk) give multiple agents quotes
> on the same property every day when they are working in other fields.
>
> I equate it to Lyc/Cont engine prices; they do it because they can.
>
> BTW, don't let them convince you that the high rates are due to
> 'liability', either. If the issue was liability, then why is $1M of
> liability only around $300-$400/yr, but $30K of hull is over twice that
> premium?
>
> Charlie
>
> Dale Ensing wrote:
>> Stan,
>> I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the
>> possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I
>> understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
>> insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
>> The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
>> agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
>> an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
>> and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
>> agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
>> same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
>> exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
>> Dale
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* Speedy11(at)aol.com
>> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
>> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
>>
>> Dale,
>> What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
>> I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
>> thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance
>> policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told
>> them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote.
>> They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not
>> step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep
>> prices high and create a sort of monopoly.
>> Stan Sutterfield
>> One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
>> under
>> insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
>> agents
>> and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All
>> other agents
>> will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your
>> needs.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage.
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
Message
Commander Tad,
Can't make it myself. I leave for Spokane Saturday AM to go fetch a
C-337.
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Sargent
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
I am commander of the B-17 this weekend and cannot formate. You guys
getting together?
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[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:08 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it...
cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do
an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend
your ear. the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They
make a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's
and 7's and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true.
That's why there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at
lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to
fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have
lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask
all my "want to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in
the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects
of these aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate
and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all
operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
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| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
MessageSteve,
Comments imbedded below. I think it is great that you are putting so
much thought into it. Just one caution: Don't underbuild the airplane.
If you EVER think you MAY want to do formation or aerobatics, DO NOT get
a -9 and DO get a constant speed prop.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Crimm
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Nothing like a good challenge...
Wants and wishes
1. IFR capable for x-country
*** Any RV will do.
2. 180 HP
*** Plenty of HP for what you want to do. 160 HP would also be fine.
They all burn almost the same amount of fuel at normal cruise speeds.
3. Want to be able to burn car gas
***Must be carbureted. A few use car gas with fuel injection but it
is not recommended. Mogas is difficult to find at most airfields but if
you are into carrying your own you can save some $$$. Lost of people
use Mogas in one tank for cruise flight only.
4. Want slider with tip up option
*** Good choice. The tip ups are a pain in the neck in wet weather.
5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs ( fat asses...my wife just
read this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat)
*** Tandem RV's (4 & 8) will have CG issues with two mature asses and
baggage. Think you are headed to an RV-7 or -9.
6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage.
***Build it light and you will have enough room for everything. Most
run out of space before hitting max gross weight.
7. Tri Gear
***Not socially acceptable in some crouds, but if you are secure in
your manliness and stay away from the high testosterone formation crowd
you may slide by. (Just kidding. But don't think that this is
necessarily a safer option. It seems that more nose draggers end up on
thier backs than tail draggers.)
8. No acrobatics
***Not with the -9, but any other 2-place RV will do it when you get
the urge and momma aint looking.
9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army)
***Wow! Didn't know there was an age limit on fun! But hey, this is
your airplane. ;-)
10. Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice)
***Wing leveler is a MUST for IFR and alt hold is so nice that it is
almost a MUST as well.
11. $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K)
***I'm not laughing. You can really do it for $80K.
12. Elec Flaps and trim
***Agree
13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have
or look for to be a happy RV'er.
*** At least one electronic ignition. EFIS
14. Constant speed prop
***Not necessary for what you plan to do with the airplane and the
first thing you should forget if you are approaching the $80K ceiling.
A fixed pitch with 180 HP will easily get you off any strip with a full
load. It will climb a bit slower but cruise speed will not suffer and
you will save a few pounds that you can use for more baggage.
Steve
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[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 20:08
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it...
cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do
an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend
your ear. the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They
make a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's
and 7's and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true.
That's why there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at
lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to
fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have
lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask
all my "want to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in
the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects
of these aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate
and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all
operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
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atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
MessageSteve,
Need to make a comment about Ron's input on the constant speed prop and
baggage. In my 6A the constant speed prop. actually allows me to carry
more baggage because without it the CG would be out of range with
100lbs. in the baggage area.
BTW my 6A matches your list except for IFR. And here I agree with Ron's
statement about 'if you ever thing you might' . Have been frustrated
more than once when long planned trips were cancelled when light IFR
would have made it possible.
Dale Ensing
Ron Schreck said:
Constant speed prop
***Not necessary for what you plan to do with the airplane and the
first thing you should forget if you are approaching the $80K ceiling.
A fixed pitch with 180 HP will easily get you off any strip with a full
load. It will climb a bit slower but cruise speed will not suffer and
you will save a few pounds that you can use for more baggage.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Ron Schreck
Could you please enlighten me on the reason not to use mogas in fuel
injection? Is the problem with compatibility of the mogas and the
injection system? Or the vapor pressure issue of mogas leading to hard
hot re-starts with fuel injection?
Dale
"3. Want to be able to burn car gas
***Must be carbureted. A few use car gas with fuel injection but it is
not recommended. Mogas is difficult to find at most airfields but if
you are into carrying your own you can save some $$$. Lost of people
use Mogas in one tank for cruise flight only."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
Dale, Steve and others,
Dale brings up some valid questions about mogas. I have not even
thought about useing it in my IO-360 but others have with varying
success. Here are a few clips from the RV List which are of interest.
If you want to see more just put "mogas" in the
Matronic's search enging and read on.
To Ed Anderson: Sorry if this brings back bad memories!
Ron Schreck
From: "Austin Tinckler" <tinckler(at)axionet.com>
Subject: Auto fuel
Date: Jan 28, 1998
I announced to a friend today that I intended to use auto fuel in one
tank
of my RV. He said that he intended to do the same thing until he found
that
one of our RV group had run a test wherein he put a couple of pieces
of
aluminum with Proseal sandwiched between them into a container of
mogas and
left it there for 2 years. At the end of this time, he took the test
piece
out and found they came apart easily and the Proseal could be scraped
off
with your fingernail almost like chewing gum. He believes that Proseal
is
degraded by mogas. Damn, avgas costs double what mogas does bringing
to
$3.40 per gallon locally.
Sloshing compound was not used.
Any comments or experiences out there ?.............Austin.
----- OFrom: Mlfred(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 09, 1998
Subject: Re: mogas (in injected motors)
<< If you run mogas in IO or TIO Lycomings, what
happens? >>
I can't say what will happen in a turbo motor (there could be an
octane
deficiency), but I run mogas in my Rocket (IO-540) all the time. No
problems
in the air, but the injector sure doesn't like that mogas while on
the ground-
lots of vapor lock. I keep 100LL in the left tank for ground ops and
climb.
Check six!
Mark
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Auto Gas Fires - They Happen!
Date: Mar 25, 2002
Not hearsay, it Happened!
Speaking from REAL WORLD experience, you can! and I did! ignite a
gasoline
fire while filling my RV from "Approved" plastic containers. I
won't go
into the details again as they are in the archieves. However, I
ended up
with 5 fire locations going at once. One out the wing tank
refilling hole,
one on the wing where the fuel had spilt as I - started by the
"Whomp!" of
igniting gas vapors had pulled back from the aircraft, one on the
asphalt
under the wing, one flaming grandly from the "Approved" race
funnel with
soaked paper filter cartage in its center and of course those
flames from
the mouth of the 5 gallon "Approved" plastic gasoline container.
Fortunately, I managed to get them all out without damage to
aircraft or
self although I was quite busy there for about 90 seconds. The
plastic
funnel and fuel tank will never be the same thought.
In short, I had used plastic containers for years for lawnmowers,
weed
wackers, etc., etc and never had one problem with static
electricity
igniting the vapors from the pouring gasoline. In all honesty, in
reflecting
back on the incident, I believe I may have momentarily broken
contact
between the 5 gallon container and the large plastic funnel as I
was
pouring - which may have been factor which led to the spark which
ignitied
the fuel vapors. However, seeing your beauty on fire and with
images of
this fireball with my RV (and possibly me) at the center was
enough to make
me swear off of refueling from plastic containers. I admit I did
it once
more when no other alternative was available, after making as
certain as
possible that all static charges were grounded, but I no longer do
it as a
routine practice.
After relating my incident to the list, one individual related an
incident
about a friend who was refueling a high wing aircraft from a
plastic
container and had the fuel ignite. He, unfortunately, was dosed
with flaming
fuel causing serious burns. So, while the incidents may be rare,
they do
happen.
On the other hand, I know others who have refueled for years from
plastic
containers and had no problems and from that perspective, I would
not condem
the idea out of hand. But, if I were to do it as routine, I
would use
metal containers and ensure they were grounded to the aircraft.
But, for
me, once was enough and I use approved aircraft methods of
transfer of fuel
(i.e pump or truck). FWIW
Nearly singed, but not burnt
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW
Matthews, NC
Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV profile
Ron Schreck
Could you please enlighten me on the reason not to use mogas in fuel
injection? Is the problem with compatibility of the mogas and the
injection system? Or the vapor pressure issue of mogas leading to hard
hot re-starts with fuel injection?
Dale
"3. Want to be able to burn car gas
***Must be carbureted. A few use car gas with fuel injection but it
is not recommended. Mogas is difficult to find at most airfields but if
you are into carrying your own you can save some $$$. Lost of people
use Mogas in one tank for cruise flight only."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
MessageDale, Steve,
Good point, Dale. Dan Checkoway has a great data base
http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
If you click on the N-number of any airplane listed it will take you to
a page where you can enter weights for a custom loading scenario.
Steve, this is a great place to start. Very informative. Actually, Dan
Checkoway's entire web site is one of the most informative on the web.
If you end up building a RV-7 you should buy his CD.
Ron Schreck
PS: Steve, where do you live? You should find some RVers near you and
sit and chat for awhile.
--- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
Need to make a comment about Ron's input on the constant speed prop
and baggage. In my 6A the constant speed prop. actually allows me to
carry more baggage because without it the CG would be out of range with
100lbs. in the baggage area.
BTW my 6A matches your list except for IFR. And here I agree with
Ron's statement about 'if you ever thing you might' . Have been
frustrated more than once when long planned trips were cancelled when
light IFR would have made it possible.
Dale Ensing
Ron Schreck said:
Constant speed prop
***Not necessary for what you plan to do with the airplane and the
first thing you should forget if you are approaching the $80K ceiling.
A fixed pitch with 180 HP will easily get you off any strip with a full
load. It will climb a bit slower but cruise speed will not suffer and
you will save a few pounds that you can use for more baggage.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bret Smith" <smithhb(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
MessageSteve,
You have perfectly described my RV-9...all except the cost. Check out
http://www.flightinnovations.com/considerations.html
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Fuselage"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Crimm
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Nothing like a good challenge...
Wants and wishes
1. IFR capable for x-country
2. 180 HP
3. Want to be able to burn car gas
4. Want slider with tip up option
5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs ( fat asses...my wife just
read this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat)
6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage
7. Tri Gear
8. No acrobatics
9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army)
10. Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice)
11. $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K)
12. Elec Flaps and trim
13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have
or look for to be a happy RV'er
14. Constant speed prop
Steve
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 20:08
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it...
cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do
an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend
your ear. the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They
make a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's
and 7's and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true.
That's why there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at
lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to
fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have
lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask
all my "want to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in
the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects
of these aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate
and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all
operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com> |
| Subject: | Lots of Questions |
I am located in Roswell, GA, just north of Atlanta.
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 06:56
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Dale, Steve,
Good point, Dale. Dan Checkoway has a great data base
http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
If you click on the N-number of any airplane listed it will take you to a
page where you can enter weights for a custom loading scenario. Steve, this
is a great place to start. Very informative. Actually, Dan Checkoway's
entire web site is one of the most informative on the web. If you end up
building a RV-7 you should buy his CD.
Ron Schreck
PS: Steve, where do you live? You should find some RVers near you and sit
and chat for awhile.
--- Original Message -----
From: Dale <mailto:densing(at)carolina.rr.com> Ensing
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
Need to make a comment about Ron's input on the constant speed prop and
baggage. In my 6A the constant speed prop. actually allows me to carry more
baggage because without it the CG would be out of range with 100lbs. in the
baggage area.
BTW my 6A matches your list except for IFR. And here I agree with Ron's
statement about 'if you ever thing you might' . Have been frustrated more
than once when long planned trips were cancelled when light IFR would have
made it possible.
Dale Ensing
Ron Schreck said:
Constant speed prop
***Not necessary for what you plan to do with the airplane and the first
thing you should forget if you are approaching the $80K ceiling. A fixed
pitch with 180 HP will easily get you off any strip with a full load. It
will climb a bit slower but cruise speed will not suffer and you will save a
few pounds that you can use for more baggage.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matron
ics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
MessageSteve,
There are 25 RV owner withing 25 miles of you. Go here to find them:
http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp
Ron Schreck
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Crimm
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
I am located in Roswell, GA, just north of Atlanta.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 06:56
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Dale, Steve,
Good point, Dale. Dan Checkoway has a great data base
http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
If you click on the N-number of any airplane listed it will take you
to a page where you can enter weights for a custom loading scenario.
Steve, this is a great place to start. Very informative. Actually, Dan
Checkoway's entire web site is one of the most informative on the web.
If you end up building a RV-7 you should buy his CD.
Ron Schreck
PS: Steve, where do you live? You should find some RVers near you
and sit and chat for awhile.
--- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
Need to make a comment about Ron's input on the constant speed prop
and baggage. In my 6A the constant speed prop. actually allows me to
carry more baggage because without it the CG would be out of range with
100lbs. in the baggage area.
BTW my 6A matches your list except for IFR. And here I agree with
Ron's statement about 'if you ever thing you might' . Have been
frustrated more than once when long planned trips were cancelled when
light IFR would have made it possible.
Dale Ensing
Ron Schreck said:
Constant speed prop
***Not necessary for what you plan to do with the airplane and
the first thing you should forget if you are approaching the $80K
ceiling. A fixed pitch with 180 HP will easily get you off any strip
with a full load. It will climb a bit slower but cruise speed will not
suffer and you will save a few pounds that you can use for more baggage.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bret Smith" <smithhb(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
MessageSteve, I work in Sandy Springs as does Mike Stewart. Perhaps we
can meet for lunch one day and visit.
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Fuselage"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
There are 25 RV owner withing 25 miles of you. Go here to find them:
http://www.rvproject.com/registry/rvfinder.jsp
Ron Schreck
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Crimm
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
I am located in Roswell, GA, just north of Atlanta.
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 06:56
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Dale, Steve,
Good point, Dale. Dan Checkoway has a great data base
http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
If you click on the N-number of any airplane listed it will take you
to a page where you can enter weights for a custom loading scenario.
Steve, this is a great place to start. Very informative. Actually, Dan
Checkoway's entire web site is one of the most informative on the web.
If you end up building a RV-7 you should buy his CD.
Ron Schreck
PS: Steve, where do you live? You should find some RVers near you
and sit and chat for awhile.
--- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
Need to make a comment about Ron's input on the constant speed
prop and baggage. In my 6A the constant speed prop. actually allows me
to carry more baggage because without it the CG would be out of range
with 100lbs. in the baggage area.
BTW my 6A matches your list except for IFR. And here I agree with
Ron's statement about 'if you ever thing you might' . Have been
frustrated more than once when long planned trips were cancelled when
light IFR would have made it possible.
Dale Ensing
Ron Schreck said:
Constant speed prop
***Not necessary for what you plan to do with the airplane and
the first thing you should forget if you are approaching the $80K
ceiling. A fixed pitch with 180 HP will easily get you off any strip
with a full load. It will climb a bit slower but cruise speed will not
suffer and you will save a few pounds that you can use for more baggage.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
I normally use 100LL even though my rotary's spark plugs would prefer
87 No-lead. Some of the concerns regarding use of Mogas are:
1. Availability - seldom available at airports
2. Different Mixtures in different parts of the country to comply with
state decrees.
3. Use of ethanol in various amounts in some areas and its potential
effect on fuel system
4. A number of additives in auto fuel that might cause deposits in the
fuel system
5. Lower vapor pressure making it more conducive to vapor lock
6. The not insignificant hazard of carting around and pouring in
gasoline into your tanks (see archives or below for my hair raising fire
incident)
The only reasons I can think of to use mogas is
1. Lower price (probably the prime motivation)
2. No lead deposits on spark plugs (or elsewhere)
3. More environmentally friendly.
Now if it were readily available, I would probably fill one tank with
Mogas and the other (for take off and landing) with 100LL.
FWIW
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV profile
Dale, Steve and others,
Dale brings up some valid questions about mogas. I have not
even thought about useing it in my IO-360 but others have with varying
success. Here are a few clips from the RV List which are of interest.
If you want to see more just put "mogas" in the
Matronic's search enging and read on.
To Ed Anderson: Sorry if this brings back bad memories!
Ron Schreck
From: "Austin Tinckler" <tinckler(at)axionet.com>
Subject: Auto fuel
Date: Jan 28, 1998
I announced to a friend today that I intended to use auto fuel in
one tank
of my RV. He said that he intended to do the same thing until he
found that
one of our RV group had run a test wherein he put a couple of pieces
of
aluminum with Proseal sandwiched between them into a container of
mogas and
left it there for 2 years. At the end of this time, he took the test
piece
out and found they came apart easily and the Proseal could be
scraped off
with your fingernail almost like chewing gum. He believes that
Proseal is
degraded by mogas. Damn, avgas costs double what mogas does bringing
to
$3.40 per gallon locally.
Sloshing compound was not used.
Any comments or experiences out there
?.............Austin.
----- O From: Mlfred(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 09, 1998
Subject: Re: mogas (in injected motors)
<< If you run mogas in IO or TIO Lycomings, what
happens? >>
I can't say what will happen in a turbo motor (there could be an
octane
deficiency), but I run mogas in my Rocket (IO-540) all the time.
No problems
in the air, but the injector sure doesn't like that mogas while on
the ground-
lots of vapor lock. I keep 100LL in the left tank for ground ops
and climb.
Check six!
Mark
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Auto Gas Fires - They Happen!
Date: Mar 25, 2002
Not hearsay, it Happened!
Speaking from REAL WORLD experience, you can! and I did! ignite
a gasoline
fire while filling my RV from "Approved" plastic containers. I
won't go
into the details again as they are in the archieves. However,
I ended up
with 5 fire locations going at once. One out the wing tank
refilling hole,
one on the wing where the fuel had spilt as I - started by the
"Whomp!" of
igniting gas vapors had pulled back from the aircraft, one on
the asphalt
under the wing, one flaming grandly from the "Approved" race
funnel with
soaked paper filter cartage in its center and of course those
flames from
the mouth of the 5 gallon "Approved" plastic gasoline container.
Fortunately, I managed to get them all out without damage to
aircraft or
self although I was quite busy there for about 90 seconds. The
plastic
funnel and fuel tank will never be the same thought.
In short, I had used plastic containers for years for
lawnmowers, weed
wackers, etc., etc and never had one problem with static
electricity
igniting the vapors from the pouring gasoline. In all honesty,
in reflecting
back on the incident, I believe I may have momentarily broken
contact
between the 5 gallon container and the large plastic funnel as I
was
pouring - which may have been factor which led to the spark
which ignitied
the fuel vapors. However, seeing your beauty on fire and with
images of
this fireball with my RV (and possibly me) at the center was
enough to make
me swear off of refueling from plastic containers. I admit I
did it once
more when no other alternative was available, after making as
certain as
possible that all static charges were grounded, but I no longer
do it as a
routine practice.
After relating my incident to the list, one individual related
an incident
about a friend who was refueling a high wing aircraft from a
plastic
container and had the fuel ignite. He, unfortunately, was dosed
with flaming
fuel causing serious burns. So, while the incidents may be
rare, they do
happen.
On the other hand, I know others who have refueled for years
from plastic
containers and had no problems and from that perspective, I
would not condem
the idea out of hand. But, if I were to do it as routine, I
would use
metal containers and ensure they were grounded to the aircraft.
But, for
me, once was enough and I use approved aircraft methods of
transfer of fuel
(i.e pump or truck). FWIW
Nearly singed, but not burnt
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW
Matthews, NC
Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV profile
Ron Schreck
Could you please enlighten me on the reason not to use mogas in fuel
injection? Is the problem with compatibility of the mogas and the
injection system? Or the vapor pressure issue of mogas leading to hard
hot re-starts with fuel injection?
Dale
"3. Want to be able to burn car gas
***Must be carbureted. A few use car gas with fuel injection but it
is not recommended. Mogas is difficult to find at most airfields but if
you are into carrying your own you can save some $$$. Lost of people
use Mogas in one tank for cruise flight only."
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Gray" <rickgray(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Hey Guys,
Another data point on Nation Air. I 'had' my insurance with them for
quite a few RV's over the past 5 or 6 years. Yup....they were great as
long as they received my premium. They mailed me out a new bill for each
RV....I sent them a check and all was well. No problem....right up until
the engine quit on the HR that I 'owned' for about 5 minutes. I had a
LOT of trouble getting them to pay out....then they tried to DOUBLE my
premium and NOT provide any hull on the next plane. I spoke with them at
great length about it and they had no explanation other than 'oh
well...sorry....maybe it will get better after a few years'.
I went to 'Mac' over at AUA and told him everything that happened with
the engine out and Nation Air and he covered me full hull with a good
'normal' rate right out of the box with the next airplane with ZERO hrs
time in type (RV10). Oh yea....it was still with AIG who Nation Air was
'blaming' for my 'new rates'.
Let it be known that I am NOT 'putting down' Nation Air....just passing
on a few facts so others can make up their own mind.
Rick at the Buffalo Farm
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
Greg,
I too have been pleased with NationAir. Contact is Jenny Estes
877.475.5860. Like you, I had construction insurance with Avemco but
they would not insure the first flight.
When I made my first flight, NationAir wrote the insurance with AIG.
Something I never could understand was that AIG would not insure the
"test pilot" I had arranged for the first flight who had a lot more time
in RVs then I did and was a CFI. They would only insure me and no
passengers until the Phase 1 was flown off.
Last year NationAir switched me to Global Aerospace because of price.
Thankfully I've never had to make a claim so can't comment on that end
of the service.
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
The RVlist archive has some good info on insurance if you want more.
http://www.matronics.com/search/
Dale Ensing
We have had very good service from NationAir.
Multiple planes and first flights.
James
It looks like I have 4 companies to call, AIG, AUA, Falcon, and
Ace Aviation.
Greg
RV-7A
Finishing wiring
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dougpflyrv(at)aol.com |
I MAY BE WRONG, BUT CHECK WITH SUPERIOR. I THINK I READ THAT THEY HAD AN INJECTED
360 THAT USES MOGAS.
DOUG PRESTON
N372RV
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 5:33 am
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV profile
Ron Schreck
?
Could you please enlighten me on the reason not to use mogas in fuel injection?
Is the problem with compatibility of the mogas and the injection system? Or the
vapor pressure issue of mogas leading to hard hot re-starts with fuel injection?
Dale
?
"3. Want to be able to burn?car gas
***Must be carbureted.? A few use car gas with fuel injection but it is not recommended.?
Mogas is difficult to find at most airfields but if you are into carrying
your own you can save some $$$.? Lost of people use Mogas in one tank for
cruise flight only."
?
________________________________________________________________________
Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Rick, I am due for a renewal with Nation Air next month and this is
certainly not what a policy holder wants to here. I paid $1775 last year
for 70K hull coverage on my RV6-A through Global.
Nation Air had me through AIG previously but Global beat them in
coverage and price last renewal. Having the "Big Fan" up front quit is
bad enough......you certainly don't want your agent to compound the
pain.
Tom in Ohio (10G)
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Gray
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
Hey Guys,
Another data point on Nation Air. I 'had' my insurance with them for
quite a few RV's over the past 5 or 6 years. Yup....they were great as
long as they received my premium. They mailed me out a new bill for each
RV....I sent them a check and all was well. No problem....right up until
the engine quit on the HR that I 'owned' for about 5 minutes. I had a
LOT of trouble getting them to pay out....then they tried to DOUBLE my
premium and NOT provide any hull on the next plane. I spoke with them at
great length about it and they had no explanation other than 'oh
well...sorry....maybe it will get better after a few years'.
I went to 'Mac' over at AUA and told him everything that happened with
the engine out and Nation Air and he covered me full hull with a good
'normal' rate right out of the box with the next airplane with ZERO hrs
time in type (RV10). Oh yea....it was still with AIG who Nation Air was
'blaming' for my 'new rates'.
Let it be known that I am NOT 'putting down' Nation Air....just
passing on a few facts so others can make up their own mind.
Rick at the Buffalo Farm
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
Greg,
I too have been pleased with NationAir. Contact is Jenny Estes
877.475.5860. Like you, I had construction insurance with Avemco but
they would not insure the first flight.
When I made my first flight, NationAir wrote the insurance with AIG.
Something I never could understand was that AIG would not insure the
"test pilot" I had arranged for the first flight who had a lot more time
in RVs then I did and was a CFI. They would only insure me and no
passengers until the Phase 1 was flown off.
Last year NationAir switched me to Global Aerospace because of
price. Thankfully I've never had to make a claim so can't comment on
that end of the service.
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your
needs.
The RVlist archive has some good info on insurance if you want more.
http://www.matronics.com/search/
Dale Ensing
We have had very good service from NationAir.
Multiple planes and first flights.
James
It looks like I have 4 companies to call, AIG, AUA, Falcon, and
Ace Aviation.
Greg
RV-7A
Finishing wiring
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Rick,
Would you mind telling us the reason AIG gave you for not wanting to pay
the claim on the HR you 'owned for about 5 minutes'?
Also, since insurance rates and payment of claims are determined by the
underwriters at the insurance company and not the agents such as Nation
Air and AUA, I am interested in why you had the problem with Nation Air
while AUA wrote your new insurance with the same insurance company with
no problem.
Thanks
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Gray
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
Hey Guys,
Another data point on Nation Air. I 'had' my insurance with them for
quite a few RV's over the past 5 or 6 years. Yup....they were great as
long as they received my premium. They mailed me out a new bill for each
RV....I sent them a check and all was well. No problem....right up until
the engine quit on the HR that I 'owned' for about 5 minutes. I had a
LOT of trouble getting them to pay out....then they tried to DOUBLE my
premium and NOT provide any hull on the next plane. I spoke with them at
great length about it and they had no explanation other than 'oh
well...sorry....maybe it will get better after a few years'.
I went to 'Mac' over at AUA and told him everything that happened with
the engine out and Nation Air and he covered me full hull with a good
'normal' rate right out of the box with the next airplane with ZERO hrs
time in type (RV10). Oh yea....it was still with AIG who Nation Air was
'blaming' for my 'new rates'.
Let it be known that I am NOT 'putting down' Nation Air....just
passing on a few facts so others can make up their own mind.
Rick at the Buffalo Farm
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
Greg,
I too have been pleased with NationAir. Contact is Jenny Estes
877.475.5860. Like you, I had construction insurance with Avemco but
they would not insure the first flight.
When I made my first flight, NationAir wrote the insurance with AIG.
Something I never could understand was that AIG would not insure the
"test pilot" I had arranged for the first flight who had a lot more time
in RVs then I did and was a CFI. They would only insure me and no
passengers until the Phase 1 was flown off.
Last year NationAir switched me to Global Aerospace because of
price. Thankfully I've never had to make a claim so can't comment on
that end of the service.
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your
needs.
The RVlist archive has some good info on insurance if you want more.
http://www.matronics.com/search/
Dale Ensing
We have had very good service from NationAir.
Multiple planes and first flights.
James
It looks like I have 4 companies to call, AIG, AUA, Falcon, and
Ace Aviation.
Greg
RV-7A
Finishing wiring
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Dale, don't know if this really bears on your question or not. But,
when I decided to switch from AMEVCO, I first tried through the EAA
Falcon program - not luck whatsoever getting insurance for my rotary
powered RV-6A.
I next tried SkySmith and initially thought I was going to have the same
problem. However, once He found out I had publish over a dozen articles
on the rotary engine in aircraft and was using proven components (there
is one vendor who is well recognized as haven proven rotary conversion
products), he ask me to send him a list of the published articles. I am
not certain but I believe he gained a comfort level about my knowledge
level (and the 300+ flying hours with it) with the rotary to get me
standard RV rates. In any case, the results was coverage with a $1000
reduction in premium over AMEVCO.
The latter is conjecture on my part, but I believe if you broker
personally believes you are a low or acceptable risk, then he can exert
some influence on the underwriter in getting you coverage.
I don't know, but I'll also bet the underwriters pay attention to which
brokers they get good or bad risk polices - which one's end up costing
them more in claims, etc. and that might have some bearing on why one
brokerage might get you coverage and another may not.
But, again just conjecture on my part.
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://www.andersonee.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
Rick,
Would you mind telling us the reason AIG gave you for not wanting to
pay the claim on the HR you 'owned for about 5 minutes'?
Also, since insurance rates and payment of claims are determined by
the underwriters at the insurance company and not the agents such as
Nation Air and AUA, I am interested in why you had the problem with
Nation Air while AUA wrote your new insurance with the same insurance
company with no problem.
Thanks
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Gray
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
Hey Guys,
Another data point on Nation Air. I 'had' my insurance with them for
quite a few RV's over the past 5 or 6 years. Yup....they were great as
long as they received my premium. They mailed me out a new bill for each
RV....I sent them a check and all was well. No problem....right up until
the engine quit on the HR that I 'owned' for about 5 minutes. I had a
LOT of trouble getting them to pay out....then they tried to DOUBLE my
premium and NOT provide any hull on the next plane. I spoke with them at
great length about it and they had no explanation other than 'oh
well...sorry....maybe it will get better after a few years'.
I went to 'Mac' over at AUA and told him everything that happened
with the engine out and Nation Air and he covered me full hull with a
good 'normal' rate right out of the box with the next airplane with ZERO
hrs time in type (RV10). Oh yea....it was still with AIG who Nation Air
was 'blaming' for my 'new rates'.
Let it be known that I am NOT 'putting down' Nation Air....just
passing on a few facts so others can make up their own mind.
Rick at the Buffalo Farm
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance for First Flight
Greg,
I too have been pleased with NationAir. Contact is Jenny Estes
877.475.5860. Like you, I had construction insurance with Avemco but
they would not insure the first flight.
When I made my first flight, NationAir wrote the insurance with
AIG. Something I never could understand was that AIG would not insure
the "test pilot" I had arranged for the first flight who had a lot more
time in RVs then I did and was a CFI. They would only insure me and no
passengers until the Phase 1 was flown off.
Last year NationAir switched me to Global Aerospace because of
price. Thankfully I've never had to make a claim so can't comment on
that end of the service.
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your
needs.
The RVlist archive has some good info on insurance if you want
more. http://www.matronics.com/search/
Dale Ensing
We have had very good service from NationAir.
Multiple planes and first flights.
James
It looks like I have 4 companies to call, AIG, AUA, Falcon,
and Ace Aviation.
Greg
RV-7A
Finishing wiring
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tad Sargent" <Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Lots of Questions |
Steve your options are limited to the 7A, it exceeds your needs in every
category. I would choose the CS hartzell prop for the lifting capability.
Tad Sargent
7A
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Nothing like a good challenge...
Wants and wishes
1. IFR capable for x-country
2. 180 HP
3. Want to be able to burn car gas
4. Want slider with tip up option
5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs ( fat asses...my wife just read
this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat)
6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage
7. Tri Gear
8. No acrobatics
9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army)
10. Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice)
11. $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K)
12. Elec Flaps and trim
13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have or
look for to be a happy RV'er
14. Constant speed prop
Steve
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 20:08
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it... cross
country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do an honest
evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear. the
ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci <mailto:bill(at)repucci.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a
great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and
cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's why
there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of
ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that
soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of
questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want
to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the
southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these
aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me
bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
http://www.thomasvilleflyin.com/
I am planning on leaving on Friday to arrive at Thomasville at high noon.
Plan to camp Friday and return Saturday afternoon.
If the WX is bad I will shift to Saturday returning Sunday.
Anybody else in.
Cappy has a spare seat if anyone is interested in being a GIB.
If so call me. 704-362-0005
Cappy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com> |
Steve,
We would like to join you but that isn't going to happen.
The -9 now has 56.5 hours on it and it is time for another oil change
and a complete checkout. Besides needing a bath, I also need to finish
the gear leg fairings. So this weekend will probably find Nora and I
wrenching on the plane at Goose.
Have fun.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Glasgow
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:47 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Friday
-->
http://www.thomasvilleflyin.com/
I am planning on leaving on Friday to arrive at Thomasville at high
noon.
Plan to camp Friday and return Saturday afternoon.
If the WX is bad I will shift to Saturday returning Sunday.
Anybody else in.
Cappy has a spare seat if anyone is interested in being a GIB.
If so call me. 704-362-0005
Cappy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Looks great but my weekend is already spoken for. Have fun.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 10/9/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>
> willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
>
> http://www.thomasvilleflyin.com/
>
> I am planning on leaving on Friday to arrive at Thomasville at high noon.
>
> Plan to camp Friday and return Saturday afternoon.
>
> If the WX is bad I will shift to Saturday returning Sunday.
>
> Anybody else in.
>
> Cappy has a spare seat if anyone is interested in being a GIB.
>
> If so call me. 704-362-0005
>
> Cappy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Would love to join you Cappy but my son and family are in from Atlanta for
the weekend. Enjoy and hope you have great weather.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:47 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Friday
>
>
> http://www.thomasvilleflyin.com/
>
> I am planning on leaving on Friday to arrive at Thomasville at high noon.
>
> Plan to camp Friday and return Saturday afternoon.
>
> If the WX is bad I will shift to Saturday returning Sunday.
>
> Anybody else in.
> Cappy has a spare seat if anyone is interested in being a GIB.
>
> If so call me. 704-362-0005
>
> Cappy
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "bburril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com> |
I don't have an excuse.It's not what i would like to do
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:47 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Friday
>
>
> http://www.thomasvilleflyin.com/
>
> I am planning on leaving on Friday to arrive at Thomasville at high noon.
>
> Plan to camp Friday and return Saturday afternoon.
>
> If the WX is bad I will shift to Saturday returning Sunday.
>
> Anybody else in.
> Cappy has a spare seat if anyone is interested in being a GIB.
>
> If so call me. 704-362-0005
>
> Cappy
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Neal George" <n8zg(at)bellsouth.net> |
Y'all could buzz over to SERFI and say "Howdy!" ...
Neal
Navarre, FL
Cell - 850-218-4838
=======================
-->
I don't have an excuse.It's not what i would like to do
>
>
> http://www.thomasvilleflyin.com/
>
> I am planning on leaving on Friday to arrive at Thomasville at high noon.
>
> Plan to camp Friday and return Saturday afternoon.
>
> If the WX is bad I will shift to Saturday returning Sunday.
>
> Anybody else in.
> Cappy has a spare seat if anyone is interested in being a GIB.
>
> If so call me. 704-362-0005
>
> Cappy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bert Murillo" <bertrv6(at)gmail.com> |
this discussion has been for ever....The fact is that I and many others, some
of whom I have know personally, have used AUTO GAS''
In my case when I had my Cherokee 140 150 H>P> Lycoming, I used
auto fuel for over 7 years, when I sold it.
l never had a single problem with it, nor in summer or winter...
I was in Baltimore at the time,...I used Amoco,,, at that time...
So now I have my RV6a, same engine, and I can assure you I will use
auto fuel, once I complete my 40 hours...You see in Oskosh the famous
Cesna 150....uses only auto fuel....
So for those who never had used it, they do not have the facts..
If some one have a question, you can contact me off the list.
Bert
rv6a PS.I understand you cannot use auto fuel on engines that are not
150 H.P. ....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
>>Bert
rv6a PS.I understand you cannot use auto fuel on engines that are
not
150 H.P. ....<<
I can, and do. Hi test in a 160hp. Works fine so far, but who knows how
long? :-)
-Stormy
On 10/10/07, Bert Murillo wrote:
>
>
> this discussion has been for ever....The fact is that I and many others,
> some
> of whom I have know personally, have used AUTO GAS''
>
> In my case when I had my Cherokee 140 150 H>P> Lycoming, I used
> auto fuel for over 7 years, when I sold it.
>
> l never had a single problem with it, nor in summer or winter...
> I was in Baltimore at the time,...I used Amoco,,, at that time...
>
>
> So now I have my RV6a, same engine, and I can assure you I will use
> auto fuel, once I complete my 40 hours...You see in Oskosh the famous
> Cesna 150....uses only auto fuel....
>
> So for those who never had used it, they do not have the facts..
> If some one have a question, you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a PS.I understand you cannot use auto fuel on engines that are
> not
> 150 H.P. ....
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Bert,
You might want to check out the auto gas you intend to purchase for the 6A.
Because of state to state differences in regulations and changing seasons it
may not be the same as you once purchased in Baltimore. I burned Amoco
premium in my Cessna 170 eight years ago in the Chicago area but that gas is
not available to me in Charlotte (and maybe no longer available in Chicago
either). At that time Amoco premium did not have any ethanol in it.
Dale Ensing
>
.The fact is that I and many others, some
> of whom I have know personally, have used AUTO GAS''
>
> In my case when I had my Cherokee 140 150 H>P> Lycoming, I used
> auto fuel for over 7 years, when I sold it.
>
> l never had a single problem with it, nor in summer or winter...
> I was in Baltimore at the time,...I used Amoco,,, at that time...
>
>
> So now I have my RV6a, same engine, and I can assure you I will use
> auto fuel, once I complete my 40 hours...You see in Oskosh the famous
> Cesna 150....uses only auto fuel....
>
> So for those who never had used it, they do not have the facts..
> If some one have a question, you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a PS.I understand you cannot use auto fuel on engines that are
> not
> 150 H.P. ....
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken Harrill" <rkharr(at)gmail.com> |
My RV6, O-360 180 HP, now has over 700 hours on it. I have burned premium
auto fuel approximately 2/3 of those hours. I put only 100LL in right
tank. Take off is on right tank only. Inbound for landing at 5 miles the
fuel selector is turned to right tank. On takeoff on hot engine in hot OAT
I sometimes experience pneumatic lock caused by fuel boiling in the carb
(engine runs rough and smokes black). This can happen on 100LL, but is
more likely on auto fuel. I use 6 gal cans for fueling with auto fuel. I
ground to airframe, can and ground. I used metal cans until I had fuel
contamination from the zinc coating on the can. Now I use plastic cans with
ground wire in the "can" and nozzle. I would not use auto fuel with
ethanol. Premium fuel does not contain ethanol as far as I can determine.
It should be marked on the pump if it has ethanol.
There are risks associated with using auto fuel. If you understand the
risks you can make an intelligent choice as to whether it is for you.
Ken Harrill
On 10/10/07, Bert Murillo wrote:
>
>
> this discussion has been for ever....The fact is that I and many others,
> some
> of whom I have know personally, have used AUTO GAS''
>
> In my case when I had my Cherokee 140 150 H>P> Lycoming, I used
> auto fuel for over 7 years, when I sold it.
>
> l never had a single problem with it, nor in summer or winter...
> I was in Baltimore at the time,...I used Amoco,,, at that time...
>
>
> So now I have my RV6a, same engine, and I can assure you I will use
> auto fuel, once I complete my 40 hours...You see in Oskosh the famous
> Cesna 150....uses only auto fuel....
>
> So for those who never had used it, they do not have the facts..
> If some one have a question, you can contact me off the list.
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a PS.I understand you cannot use auto fuel on engines that are
> not
> 150 H.P. ....
>
>
--
Ken Harrill
803 238-2199
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JIM HIGGINS" <JHiggins(at)a1roofingandsiding.com> |
I'm looking for a CFI who can train in their RV7 or in my RV7, for
transitional purposes. It is required by my insurance. I am in Charlotte
NC. Thanks.
Bob Newhall out of Chapel Hill may not have time to do it for me.
Jim Higgins
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tony & Marilyn Spicer" <sonex32(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Fly-in at Stag Air Park |
Weather looks to be great this weekend. If you're looking for a
destination with the best BBQ you'll ever eat, drop by 7NC1 this
Saturday, 10/13/07, for EAA Chapter 297's annual fall fly-in. 3800' of
very smooth grass. http://www.airnav.com/airport/7NC1
Tony Spicer, RV-3B finish kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly-in at Stag Air Park |
Tony, I was down at Stag Air Park in late August while staying at
Topsail Beach. I understand lots may be available again at Stag?? Just
wondering if you might know?
Tom in
Ohio-RV6-A 362CT
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony & Marilyn Spicer
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fly-in at Stag Air Park
Weather looks to be great this weekend. If you're looking for a
destination with the best BBQ you'll ever eat, drop by 7NC1 this
Saturday, 10/13/07, for EAA Chapter 297's annual fall fly-in. 3800' of
very smooth grass. http://www.airnav.com/airport/7NC1
Tony Spicer, RV-3B finish kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly-in at Stag Air Park |
3 formation members of Palmetto flt. will be there and
do some fly-by's..RenoRed
--- Tom & Cathy Ervin wrote:
> Tony, I was down at Stag Air Park in late August
> while staying at Topsail Beach. I understand lots
> may be available again at Stag?? Just wondering if
> you might know?
>
>
> Tom in Ohio-RV6-A 362CT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony & Marilyn Spicer
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:41 PM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fly-in at Stag Air Park
>
>
> Weather looks to be great this weekend. If you're
> looking for a destination with the best BBQ you'll
> ever eat, drop by 7NC1 this Saturday, 10/13/07, for
> EAA Chapter 297's annual fall fly-in. 3800' of very
> smooth grass. http://www.airnav.com/airport/7NC1
>
> Tony Spicer, RV-3B finish kit
>
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | EAA 731 Autumn Leaf Fly-In Sat Oct 20th KMRN |
The leaves on Grandfather Mountain are starting, and
my neighbor's Maple's are starting. EAA 731 timed
it's fall fly-in this year to coincide with the peak
of Leaf Peeking season. If you're looking for
something to do, the fly-in is going to by at
Foothills Regional (formerly Morganton Lenoir) KMRN
Sat Oct 20th. Coffee, Breakfast and Lunch. We will
also be flying Young Eagles. So, spread the word,
encourage non-aviators to come and have a great time,
especially if they are interested in YE.
For more information, check out the chapter website:
http://www.eaa731.org
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| From: | "Bert Murillo" <bertrv6(at)gmail.com> |
On 10/11/07, JIM HIGGINS wrote:
>
>
> I'm looking for a CFI who can train in their RV7 or in my RV7, for
> transitional purposes. It is required by my insurance. I am in Charlotte NC.
> Thanks.
>
> Bob Newhall out of Chapel Hill may not have time to do it for me.
>
>
> Jim
> Higgins
Jim< Thge only one I know is in Lake Ochechobe, near there his Name is
John
Too far for you...
Bert
_-rv6a
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| From: | "bburril" <bburril(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Steve Yancey,can give you tailwheel time and he is at bradford five miles
from concord nc.He is a cfi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Murillo" <bertrv6(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV Training
>
> On 10/11/07, JIM HIGGINS wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for a CFI who can train in their RV7 or in my RV7, for
>> transitional purposes. It is required by my insurance. I am in Charlotte
>> NC.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bob Newhall out of Chapel Hill may not have time to do it for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim
>> Higgins
> Jim< Thge only one I know is in Lake Ochechobe, near there his Name is
> John
> Too far for you...
>
> Bert
> _-rv6a
>
> do not rchive===========================================================
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>> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Hey guys,
This is one we should all try to make. Wives welcome. We could plan to
arrive at 9 have breakfast and then fly over Grandfather Mt. to check out
the colors. Cappy
RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Bart Filipiak
The leaves on Grandfather Mountain are starting, and
my neighbor's Maple's are starting. EAA 731 timed
it's fall fly-in this year to coincide with the peak
of Leaf Peeking season. If you're looking for
something to do, the fly-in is going to by at
Foothills Regional (formerly Morganton Lenoir) KMRN
Sat Oct 20th. Coffee, Breakfast and Lunch. We will
also be flying Young Eagles. So, spread the word,
encourage non-aviators to come and have a great time,
especially if they are interested in YE.
For more information, check out the chapter website:
http://www.eaa731.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
Great idea Cappy. Leaves should peak 10/20-10/27.
Will be there and hope we get a good crowd of RVs.
Reno.
--- Steve Glasgow wrote:
> Glasgow"
>
> Hey guys,
>
> This is one we should all try to make. Wives
> welcome. We could plan to
> arrive at 9 have breakfast and then fly over
> Grandfather Mt. to check out
> the colors. Cappy
>
>
>
> The leaves on Grandfather Mountain are starting, and
> my neighbor's Maple's are starting. EAA 731 timed
> it's fall fly-in this year to coincide with the peak
> of Leaf Peeking season. If you're looking for
> something to do, the fly-in is going to by at
> Foothills Regional (formerly Morganton Lenoir) KMRN
> Sat Oct 20th. Coffee, Breakfast and Lunch. We will
> also be flying Young Eagles. So, spread the word,
> encourage non-aviators to come and have a great
> time,
> especially if they are interested in YE.
>
> For more information, check out the chapter website:
>
> http://www.eaa731.org
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Tad Sargent" <Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> |
I would love to join the group but... Smokey, Stripes, James (Tuskegee) and
Ken Harrell (Big-un) are in the Boshears airshow at Augusta, GA
Stripes
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Glasgow
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:22 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: 10-20
Hey guys,
This is one we should all try to make. Wives welcome. We could plan to
arrive at 9 have breakfast and then fly over Grandfather Mt. to check out
the colors. Cappy
RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Bart Filipiak
The leaves on Grandfather Mountain are starting, and
my neighbor's Maple's are starting. EAA 731 timed
it's fall fly-in this year to coincide with the peak
of Leaf Peeking season. If you're looking for
something to do, the fly-in is going to by at
Foothills Regional (formerly Morganton Lenoir) KMRN
Sat Oct 20th. Coffee, Breakfast and Lunch. We will
also be flying Young Eagles. So, spread the word,
encourage non-aviators to come and have a great time,
especially if they are interested in YE.
For more information, check out the chapter website:
http://www.eaa731.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tony & Marilyn Spicer" <sonex32(at)earthlink.net> |
If you weren't there, you missed a good one! Weather and BBQ were
outstanding, as was the show put on by the guys in Palmetto Flight. A
big thanks from EAA Chapter 297 to those that attended. Your next chance
for some good grub at Stag will most likely be the chili feed in
February.
If you're looking for a destination the second Saturday of the month,
stop by Stag for lunch. Chapter meeting starts at 1000, with lunch
served at 1200.
thanks again,
Tony Spicer
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Evergreen Fly-in |
I flew up from Tampa for the Evergreen (Alabama) EAA SERFI fly-in on
Saturday. There was a nice turnout of about 30 RV's, and about 200
planes total. Not many drive-ins from the local area however.
The organization of the event left alot to be desired. We arrived at
9:45 AM only to find that the pancake breakfast was over and done with.
The only other food vendor was some greasy sausage trailer. Ugh! After
a long flight we were also looking forward to a port-a-potty, only to
find after much searching around, there were only 3 on the field.
Nobody seemed to be in charge nor was there any information booth set
up. Those with officials tags around their necks were clueless where
things were and knew nothing about the event.
When it came time to leave I went to the FBO to inquire about fuel. It
seems they parked all the static display planes around the fuel farm,
leaving no access to the pumps. So I was told they had a 250 gallon
truck that was fueling planes, but obviously the driver had to go back
to the pumps to refill his truck, about every 5 planes. The FBO had no
radio to the fuel truck, so the procedure I was told was to chase the
driver down. After walking all over the grounds, I couldn't see or find
the fuel truck. Apparently the driver was "taking a break". 1 hour
later I found him and asked for fuel. He told me he'd put me on the
list.........and I was number 25 in line.........about a 2 1/2 hour
wait. I told him to forget it.........left Evergreen and fueled up
elsewhere.
Needless to say I left with a bad taste in my mouth for the Evergreen
Fly-in. I'll never go back. Should have gone to Thomasville instead.
You'd think that with one weekend each year to showcase their airport,
that they'd do a much better job of organizing things. Not to mention
making some money.
Garry Stout
RV-7A, Tampa Fl.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony & Marilyn Spicer
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Stag Fly-in
If you weren't there, you missed a good one! Weather and BBQ were
outstanding, as was the show put on by the guys in Palmetto Flight. A
big thanks from EAA Chapter 297 to those that attended. Your next chance
for some good grub at Stag will most likely be the chili feed in
February.
If you're looking for a destination the second Saturday of the month,
stop by Stag for lunch. Chapter meeting starts at 1000, with lunch
served at 1200.
thanks again,
Tony Spicer
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Evergreen Fly-in |
pass this message on to others incl. Doug Reeves site.
too many good places to go to avoid that kind of
crap.
--- Garry wrote:
> I flew up from Tampa for the Evergreen (Alabama) EAA
> SERFI fly-in on Saturday. There was a nice turnout
> of about 30 RV's, and about 200 planes total. Not
> many drive-ins from the local area however.
>
> The organization of the event left alot to be
> desired. We arrived at 9:45 AM only to find that
> the pancake breakfast was over and done with. The
> only other food vendor was some greasy sausage
> trailer. Ugh! After a long flight we were also
> looking forward to a port-a-potty, only to find
> after much searching around, there were only 3 on
> the field. Nobody seemed to be in charge nor was
> there any information booth set up. Those with
> officials tags around their necks were clueless
> where things were and knew nothing about the event.
>
> When it came time to leave I went to the FBO to
> inquire about fuel. It seems they parked all the
> static display planes around the fuel farm, leaving
> no access to the pumps. So I was told they had a
> 250 gallon truck that was fueling planes, but
> obviously the driver had to go back to the pumps to
> refill his truck, about every 5 planes. The FBO had
> no radio to the fuel truck, so the procedure I was
> told was to chase the driver down. After walking
> all over the grounds, I couldn't see or find the
> fuel truck. Apparently the driver was "taking a
> break". 1 hour later I found him and asked for
> fuel. He told me he'd put me on the
> list.........and I was number 25 in
> line.........about a 2 1/2 hour wait. I told him to
> forget it.........left Evergreen and fueled up
> elsewhere.
>
> Needless to say I left with a bad taste in my mouth
> for the Evergreen Fly-in. I'll never go back.
> Should have gone to Thomasville instead. You'd
> think that with one weekend each year to showcase
> their airport, that they'd do a much better job of
> organizing things. Not to mention making some
> money.
>
> Garry Stout
> RV-7A, Tampa Fl.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony & Marilyn Spicer
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:26 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Stag Fly-in
>
>
> If you weren't there, you missed a good one!
> Weather and BBQ were outstanding, as was the show
> put on by the guys in Palmetto Flight. A big thanks
> from EAA Chapter 297 to those that attended. Your
> next chance for some good grub at Stag will most
> likely be the chili feed in February.
>
> If you're looking for a destination the second
> Saturday of the month, stop by Stag for lunch.
> Chapter meeting starts at 1000, with lunch served at
> 1200.
>
> thanks again,
>
> Tony Spicer
>
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | craig hiers <craig_143ch(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Evergreen Fly-in |
Trust me when I say these types of issues have been going there for quite some
time. Three years ago I spoke to an official about not being able to get fuel,
and he said "we are not here to fuel planes, and if you want gas you should go
someplace else." Needless to say I could not believe what I was hearing. The
real probem was for a few guys who were in planes that were day VFR only and
were not going to be able to get gas and get home before dark. Add to all this
the fact that this reginal flyin has gone down hill for the past few years. There
is one saving grace in all of this, and that would be the Thomasville, GA
flyin that occurs the same weekend. The Thomasville flyin has been going on for
about 30 years, long before Evergreen. This past weekend Thomasville had about
500 planes, 30 or so RV's, and was well oganized with lots of volunteers.
It is not an air show, but a huge meet and greet for like mind people who love
aviation. Next year do yourself a favor and come
to south Georgia, we would love to see you.
Craig Hiers
Moultrie/Augusta GA
RV-4
pass this message on to others incl. Doug Reeves site.
too many good places to go to avoid that kind of
crap.
--- Garry wrote:
> I flew up from Tampa for the Evergreen (Alabama) EAA
> SERFI fly-in on Saturday. There was a nice turnout
> of about 30 RV's, and about 200 planes total. Not
> many drive-ins from the local area however.
>
> The organization of the event left alot to be
> desired. We arrived at 9:45 AM only to find that
> the pancake breakfast was over and done with. The
> only other food vendor was some greasy sausage
> trailer. Ugh! After a long flight we were also
> looking forward to a port-a-potty, only to find
> after much searching around, there were only 3 on
> the field. Nobody seemed to be in charge nor was
> there any information booth set up. Those with
> officials tags around their necks were clueless
> where things were and knew nothing about the event.
>
> When it came time to leave I went to the FBO to
> inquire about fuel. It seems they parked all the
> static display planes around the fuel farm, leaving
> no access to the pumps. So I was told they had a
> 250 gallon truck that was fueling planes, but
> obviously the driver had to go back to the pumps to
> refill his truck, about every 5 planes. The FBO had
> no radio to the fuel truck, so the procedure I was
> told was to chase the driver down. After walking
> all over the grounds, I couldn't see or find the
> fuel truck. Apparently the driver was "taking a
> break". 1 hour later I found him and asked for
> fuel. He told me he'd put me on the
> list.........and I was number 25 in
> line.........about a 2 1/2 hour wait. I told him to
> forget it.........left Evergreen and fueled up
> elsewhere.
>
> Needless to say I left with a bad taste in my mouth
> for the Evergreen Fly-in. I'll never go back.
> Should have gone to Thomasville instead. You'd
> think that with one weekend each year to showcase
> their airport, that they'd do a much better job of
> organizing things. Not to mention making some
> money.
>
> Garry Stout
> RV-7A, Tampa Fl.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony & Marilyn Spicer
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:26 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Stag Fly-in
>
>
> If you weren't there, you missed a good one!
> Weather and BBQ were outstanding, as was the show
> put on by the guys in Palmetto Flight. A big thanks
> from EAA Chapter 297 to those that attended. Your
> next chance for some good grub at Stag will most
> likely be the chili feed in February.
>
> If you're looking for a destination the second
> Saturday of the month, stop by Stag for lunch.
> Chapter meeting starts at 1000, with lunch served at
> 1200.
>
> thanks again,
>
> Tony Spicer
>
>
>
>
Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and
more!
---------------------------------
Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Evergreen Fly-in |
My experience at Evergreen (the airport, not just the flyin) is that you
probably should be glad you couldn't get fuel there. They typically
have the most expensive fuel in the area.
I got disillusioned with the flyin about a dozen years ago when they
started trying to charge day-visitors (not campers) who flew in in
homebuilts $10 per person.
Charlie
craig hiers wrote:
> Trust me when I say these types of issues have been going there for
> quite some time. Three years ago I spoke to an official about not being
> able to get fuel, and he said "we are not here to fuel planes, and if
> you want gas you should go someplace else." Needless to say I could not
> believe what I was hearing. The real probem was for a few guys who were
> in planes that were day VFR only and were not going to be able to get
> gas and get home before dark. Add to all this the fact that this reginal
> flyin has gone down hill for the past few years. There is one saving
> grace in all of this, and that would be the Thomasville, GA flyin that
> occurs the same weekend. The Thomasville flyin has been going on for
> about 30 years, long before Evergreen. This past weekend Thomasville had
> about 500 planes, 30 or so RV's, and was well oganized with lots of
> volunteers. It is not an air show, but a huge meet and greet for like
> mind people who love aviation. Next year do yourself a favor and come to
> south Georgia, we would love to see you.
>
> Craig Hiers
> Moultrie/Augusta GA
> RV-4
>
> *//*
>
>
> pass this message on to others incl. Doug Reeves site.
> too many good places to go to avoid that kind of
> crap.
> --- Garry wrote:
>
> > I flew up from Tampa for the Evergreen (Alabama) EAA
> > SERFI fly-in on Saturday. There was a nice turnout
> > of about 30 RV's, and about 200 planes total. Not
> > many drive-ins from the local area however.
> >
> > The organization of the event left alot to be
> > desired. We arrived at 9:45 AM only to find that
> > the pancake breakfast was over and done with. The
> > only other food vendor was some greasy sausage
> > trailer. Ugh! After a long flight we were also
> > looking forward to a port-a-potty, only to find
> > after much searching around, there were only 3 on
> > the field. Nobody seemed to be in charge nor was
> > there any information booth set up. Those with
> > officials tags around their necks were clueless
> > where things were and knew nothing about the event.
> >
> > When it came time to leave I went to the FBO to
> > inquire about fuel. It seems they parked all the
> > static display planes around the fuel farm, leaving
> > no access to the pumps. So I was told they had a
> > 250 gallon truck that was fueling planes, but
> > obviously the driver had to go back to the pumps to
> > refill his truck, about every 5 planes. The FBO had
> > no radio to the fuel truck, so the procedure I was
> > told was to chase the driver down. After walking
> > all over the grounds, I couldn't see or find the
> > fuel truck. Apparently the driver was "taking a
> > break". 1 hour later I found him and asked for
> > fuel. He told me he'd put me on the
> > list.........and I was number 25 in
> > line.........about a 2 1/2 hour wait. I told him to
> > forget it.........left Evergreen and fueled up
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > Needless to say I left with a bad taste in my mouth
> > for the Evergreen Fly-in. I'll never go back.
> > Should have gone to Thomasville instead. You'd
> > think that with one weekend each year to showcase
> > their airport, that they'd do a much better job of
> > organizing things. Not to mention making some
> > money.
> >
> > Garry Stout
> > RV-7A, Tampa Fl.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tony & Marilyn Spicer
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:26 AM
> >
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA 731 Autumn Leaf Fly-In Sat Oct 20th KMRN |
Bert,
I plan to be there. Do you have the coordinates for Grand Father Mountain?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Filipiak" <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 731 Autumn Leaf Fly-In Sat Oct 20th KMRN
>
>
> The leaves on Grandfather Mountain are starting, and
> my neighbor's Maple's are starting. EAA 731 timed
> it's fall fly-in this year to coincide with the peak
> of Leaf Peeking season. If you're looking for
> something to do, the fly-in is going to by at
> Foothills Regional (formerly Morganton Lenoir) KMRN
> Sat Oct 20th. Coffee, Breakfast and Lunch. We will
> also be flying Young Eagles. So, spread the word,
> encourage non-aviators to come and have a great time,
> especially if they are interested in YE.
>
> For more information, check out the chapter website:
>
> http://www.eaa731.org
>
>
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| From: | "Jerry Isler" <jlisler(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Thomasville, GA Fly-In |
This past week-end was the Thomasville, Georgia annual fly-in. This
event has been happening close to 40 years and is one of my favorite
fly-in's to attend. It is a well run event that does not have a real
structured program. It is an aviation social event and the main rule is
for you to have a good time. If you are tired of poorly run events with
bad facilities, give this one a try next year. It happens the second
week-end in October every year and is open to all types of aircraft.
There is also a great private collection aviation engines on the field.
It is always open for viewing during the fly-in and contains rare
engines you might not have ever heard of.
Go to http://picasaweb.google.com/RV455J/Thomasville2007 for a few
pictures from this year.
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| From: | "Ollie Washburn" <ollie6a(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Evergreen Fly-in |
Garry,
Yes you should have gone to Thomasville for a near perfect fly-in. They
had over 300 aircraft register which means they probably had many more that
didn't register. There was also a lot of Rvs there as we listed it as the
Oct. fly-out for the FL. Wing of VAF.
Ollie RV6A Central FL.
> Needless to say I left with a bad taste in my mouth
> > for the Evergreen Fly-in. I'll never go back.
> > Should have gone to Thomasville instead. You'd
> > think that with one weekend each year to showcase
> > their airport, that they'd do a much better job of
> > organizing things. Not to mention making some
> > money.
> >
> > Garry Stout
> > RV-7A, Tampa Fl.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tony & Marilyn Spicer
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:26 AM
> >
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow Setting |
| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
Anyone know how to increase the fuel flow to my IO-360 during takeoff?
I've been all over the internet on this one and can't find much info on the
subject. I am flowing 16.9 gph on takeoff at full power but it is not
enough to keep my egt and cht numbers down (I'm seeing 1450 egt on
takeoff). I'd like to bump my takeoff fuel flow up to around 18 gallons.
According to John Deakin's formula, 16.9 gph is about right for 180 hp, but
my engine is pumped up a little and needs more gas, I think. I have to
throttle back to cool it down and climb at fairly high indicated airspeeds
to keep it there. At cruise, all is well.
Is the control for this on the fuel throttle body or somewhere else?
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA 731 Autumn Leaf Fly-In Sat Oct 20th KMRN |
Dale, I bet we can get a few guys to launch after
lunch and do a circuit up around G'father and other
mtns. to ck. out colors...shud be a beautiful weekend.
Reno
--- Dale Ensing wrote:
> Ensing"
>
> Bert,
> I plan to be there. Do you have the coordinates for
> Grand Father Mountain?
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:43 PM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 731 Autumn Leaf
> Fly-In Sat Oct 20th KMRN
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> Filipiak
> >
> >
> > The leaves on Grandfather Mountain are starting,
> and
> > my neighbor's Maple's are starting. EAA 731 timed
> > it's fall fly-in this year to coincide with the
> peak
> > of Leaf Peeking season. If you're looking for
> > something to do, the fly-in is going to by at
> > Foothills Regional (formerly Morganton Lenoir)
> KMRN
> > Sat Oct 20th. Coffee, Breakfast and Lunch. We
> will
> > also be flying Young Eagles. So, spread the word,
> > encourage non-aviators to come and have a great
> time,
> > especially if they are interested in YE.
> >
> > For more information, check out the chapter
> website:
> >
> > http://www.eaa731.org
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> >
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Setting |
Lee, my understanding is FF is directly related to HP. Don't know what
you mean by pumped up? How much etc?
I would look into the mixture setting it may be running to lean and
causing the problem. Look for the rich/lean adjustment.
Call who ever manufactured your Injection System.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:41 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fuel Flow Setting
Anyone know how to increase the fuel flow to my IO-360 during takeoff?
I've been all over the internet on this one and can't find much info
on the
subject. I am flowing 16.9 gph on takeoff at full power but it is not
enough to keep my egt and cht numbers down (I'm seeing 1450 egt on
takeoff). I'd like to bump my takeoff fuel flow up to around 18
gallons.
According to John Deakin's formula, 16.9 gph is about right for 180
hp, but
my engine is pumped up a little and needs more gas, I think. I have
to
throttle back to cool it down and climb at fairly high indicated
airspeeds
to keep it there. At cruise, all is well.
Is the control for this on the fuel throttle body or somewhere else?
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA 731 Autumn Leaf Fly-In Sat Oct 20th KMRN |
Try N36-06.42.0 W81-48.48.0. That should get you close. Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 731 Autumn Leaf Fly-In Sat Oct 20th
KMRN
Bert,
I plan to be there. Do you have the coordinates for Grand Father
Mountain?
Dale
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From: "Bart Filipiak" <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com>
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 731 Autumn Leaf Fly-In Sat Oct 20th
KMRN
>
>
> The leaves on Grandfather Mountain are starting, and
> my neighbor's Maple's are starting. EAA 731 timed
> it's fall fly-in this year to coincide with the peak
> of Leaf Peeking season. If you're looking for
> something to do, the fly-in is going to by at
> Foothills Regional (formerly Morganton Lenoir) KMRN
> Sat Oct 20th. Coffee, Breakfast and Lunch. We will
> also be flying Young Eagles. So, spread the word,
> encourage non-aviators to come and have a great time,
> especially if they are interested in YE.
>
> For more information, check out the chapter website:
>
> http://www.eaa731.org
>
>
>
> Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket:
mail,
> news, photos & more.
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>
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| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Setting |
You didn't mention which fuel control you have. I have a Airflow
Performance and there is a main jet that you can remove and put in a larger
size. They also handle Bendix controllers.
http://airflowperformance.com/html/cat_16.html
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: <lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fuel Flow Setting
>
>
> Anyone know how to increase the fuel flow to my IO-360 during takeoff?
> I've been all over the internet on this one and can't find much info on
> the
> subject. I am flowing 16.9 gph on takeoff at full power but it is not
> enough to keep my egt and cht numbers down (I'm seeing 1450 egt on
> takeoff). I'd like to bump my takeoff fuel flow up to around 18 gallons.
> According to John Deakin's formula, 16.9 gph is about right for 180 hp,
> but
> my engine is pumped up a little and needs more gas, I think. I have to
> throttle back to cool it down and climb at fairly high indicated airspeeds
> to keep it there. At cruise, all is well.
>
> Is the control for this on the fuel throttle body or somewhere else?
>
> Lee...
>
> Lee Logan
> Government Programs and Sales Support
> Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
> Savannah, Georgia
>
>
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| From: | BOB MARTIN <libertyva(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Flow Setting |
Lee,
You are right in following John Deakin's advise.
I have a carb on my 0-360 A1A.......
I have installed the enrichment kit
AND drilled the jet larger.......it really brought the temps down.
The FF on TO is more connected to the induction system than HP....I think.
The published numbers in the POH's are very misleading as they are done for
OEM installs.
Each setup should be tweaked, but I don't see many people talking about it.
Good Luck
Bob Martin
RV-6
0-360 c/s
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fuel Flow Setting> To: rvsoutheast-list@matron
ics.com> From: lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:41:40 -0
> Anyone know how to increase the fuel flow to my IO-360 during takeoff?> I
've been all over the internet on this one and can't find much info on the>
subject. I am flowing 16.9 gph on takeoff at full power but it is not> eno
ugh to keep my egt and cht numbers down (I'm seeing 1450 egt on> takeoff).
I'd like to bump my takeoff fuel flow up to around 18 gallons.> According t
o John Deakin's formula, 16.9 gph is about right for 180 hp, but> my engine
is pumped up a little and needs more gas, I think. I have to> throttle bac
k to cool it down and climb at fairly high indicated airspeeds> to keep it
there. At cruise, all is well.> > Is the control for this on the fuel throt
tle body or somewhere else?> > Lee...> > Lee Logan> Government Programs and
Sales Support> Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation> Savannah, Georgia> > > Th
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Setting |
Bob,
I would like to learn more about the enrichment kit you refer to. I have
an O-360 A1A, carburetor, high compression pistons and LASAR ign. with
C/S prop.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: BOB MARTIN
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fuel Flow Setting
Lee,
You are right in following John Deakin's advise.
I have a carb on my 0-360 A1A.......
I have installed the enrichment kit
AND drilled the jet larger.......it really brought the temps down.
The FF on TO is more connected to the induction system than HP....I
think.
The published numbers in the POH's are very misleading as they are
done for OEM installs.
Each setup should be tweaked, but I don't see many people talking
about it.
Good Luck
Bob Martin
RV-6
0-360 c/s
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> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fuel Flow Setting
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> From: lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:41:40 -0400
>
>
>
> Anyone know how to increase the fuel flow to my IO-360 during
takeoff?
> I've been all over the internet on this one and can't find much info
on the
> subject. I am flowing 16.9 gph on takeoff at full power but it is
not
> enough to keep my egt and cht numbers down (I'm seeing 1450 egt on
> takeoff). I'd like to bump my takeoff fuel flow up to around 18
gallons.
> According to John Deakin's formula, 16.9 gph is about right for 180
hp, but
> my engine is pumped up a little and needs more gas, I think. I have
to
> throttle back to cool it down and climb at fairly high indicated
airspeeds
> to keep it there. At cruise, all is well.
>
> Is the control for this on the fuel throttle body or somewhere else?
>
> Lee...
>
> Lee Logan
> Government Programs and Sales Support
> Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
> Savannah, Georgia
>
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| From: | BOB MARTIN <libertyva(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Flow Setting-enrichment kit |
Dale,This is what I have learned:The enrichment kit is sold to convert the
M4-5 10-3878 carb to act more like it's richer brother M4-5 10-4164The kits
part number is 666-660.........I know...kinda weird number huh?it costs ab
out 250.00 list is 292.91 sell for 234.32 plus freight....Precision Air
motive produces the kit, and has been since 1962 to fix a problem on Mooney
s I was told.You can't buy direct from Precision so you have to go thru a d
ealer.I used Penn Yan Aero iin NY 800-727-7230 315-536-2333The tech at
PennYan Aero offered to install the kit for me for about 100.00Labor plus
freight obviously. I figured, in for a penny, in for a pound, so I might as
well learn from this one too.Any good A&P should easily be able to follow
directions and install the kit.There is more work involved in removing the
carb and reinstalling it than the actual work installing the kit, but it do
es involve removing the float and reinstalling it.Interesting note...the ma
in jet nozzel in the new kit was not measurably larger.it did have a bushin
g that reduced the amount of air thru one of the carb body passages.So I'm
assuming (we know what that means) the enrichment is acheived by reducing a
irflow rather than just putting in a larger main jet, which is what you wou
ld expect.The original main jet and the jet in the enrichment kit were diff
erent part numbers although I couldn't see a difference. The fuel flow did
change however, because my temps lowered. If you have cooling problems or
think you have, read John Deakins articles on AVWeb.http://www.avweb.com/ne
ws/pelican/182176-1.htmlThis is assuming (here we go again) that you have c
hecked obvious things like baffeling etc, already! Now, what carb do you ha
ve installed? if it is the 10-3878 then you will need the kit.if you have
the richer carb 10-4164 then you are already better off but probably need m
ore fuel at TO. I did this by drilling the main jet out. Yes, you have to
take the carb off again, if you took it off to install the kit. Here is a
link to an article on VAF by Jon Foy:http://www.vansairforce.net/articles/h
ighcylinderheadtemps.htmHe had Lasar ignition too, and he seemed to blame h
is temps on the ignition system.He doesn't give a lot if detailed info so I
can't comment on his install.I have 2 slick mags for the record. The kit..
...for the record is just a small bag of parts.a main jet.an idle jet.a bus
hing.a drill bit to help install the bushing if you have an older carb.a ne
w bowl gasket.a new ltab locking washer for under the main jet.a small fibe
r O ring to go under the tip of the main jet.a decal and 2 pages of very va
gue instructions for 1962 (I guess people were smarter then)Thats it!It doe
s not include new tab lock washers for under the bowl screws.It does not in
clude a new carb to induction system gasket. Is this the info you were look
ing for ?I can go into more detail if you wish.
You will enjoy John Dekin's articles.Happy to help.Regards,Bob Martin
From: densing(at)carolina.rr.comTo: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re:
RVSouthEast-List: Fuel Flow SettingDate: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:40:50 -0400
Bob,
I would like to learn more about the enrichment kit you refer to. I have an
O-360 A1A, carburetor, high compression pistons and LASAR ign. with C/S pr
op.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: BOB MARTIN
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fuel Flow Setting
Lee,You are right in following John Deakin's advise.I have a carb on my 0-3
60 A1A.......I have installed the enrichment kit AND drilled the jet larger
.......it really brought the temps down.The FF on TO is more connected to t
he induction system than HP....I think.The published numbers in the POH's a
re very misleading as they are done for OEM installs.Each setup should be t
weaked, but I don't see many people talking about it.Good LuckBob MartinRV-
6 0-360 c/s
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fuel Flow Setting> To: rvsoutheast-list@matron
ics.com> From: lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:41:40 -0
> Anyone know how to increase the fuel flow to my IO-360 during takeoff?> I
've been all over the internet on this one and can't find much info on the>
subject. I am flowing 16.9 gph on takeoff at full power but it is not> eno
ugh to keep my egt and cht numbers down (I'm seeing 1450 egt on> takeoff).
I'd like to bump my takeoff fuel flow up to around 18 gallons.> According t
o John Deakin's formula, 16.9 gph is about right for 180 hp, but> my engine
is pumped up a little and needs more gas, I think. I have to> throttle bac
k to cool it down and climb at fairly high indicated airspeeds> to keep it
there. At cruise, all is well.> > Is the control for this on the fuel throt
tle body or somewhere else?> > Lee...> > Lee Logan> Government Programs and
Sales Support> Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation> Savannah, Georgia> > > Th
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Setting-enrichment kit |
Thanks Bob. I have a copy of Deakin's article in my engine file. I'll
read it again. I don't think I have a over heating problem but want to
stay up with this issue.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: BOB MARTIN
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fuel Flow Setting-enrichment kit
If you have cooling problems or think you have, read John Deakins
articles on AVWeb.
http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182176-1.html
This is assuming (here we go again) that you have checked obvious
things like baffeling
etc, already!
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| From: | "GARRY BROWN" <brown.garry(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Morganton Fly-in |
Is anyone flying into Morganton this weekend? Looks like the weather
will be great.
Garry
RV-4, N1458
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| From: | bill crothers <bill28104(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Morganton Fly-in |
yes, at least 4 rv's so far.
--- GARRY BROWN wrote:
> Is anyone flying into Morganton this weekend? Looks
> like the weather will be great.
>
> Garry
> RV-4, N1458
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| From: | lee.logan(at)gulfstream.com |
Ron and Steve: Thanks for the input. Mine has 10:1 pistons (I'm told) but
I don't think it's ever been on a dyno, or if it has, I didn't get the
paperwork on it when I bought the airplane. 16.9 gph is supposed to be
good for 180 hp but mine is acting lean at that flow rate. I don't know
what FI system I have, so the obvious answer is for me to get under the
hood this weekend and find out. I was hoping there was an easy "one size
fits all" answer, I guess!
I really would like to climb at full power and I just can't do it with this
engine. I cruises smooth and cool (I spent a couple of weeks sealing the
interior baffles and re-angling the front ramps), but on climbout it gets
hot fast if I leave it on full romp. I have to pull it back to 25/25 or
lower and climb at low angles and at speeds above 130 to keep it cool in a
climb.
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
Who is going to Foothills tomorrow? What time?
--
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Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
So far, Cappy, Bill Crothers, Bill Repucci. Dale Ensing has a cold so
he is a ?. We are planning on being there at 9 to 9:15 AM for breakfast
and then doing a mountain fly over to check the fall colors. Hope you
are in.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:40 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Foothills?
Who is going to Foothills tomorrow? What time?
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Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
See you there!
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Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 10/19/07, Steve Glasgow wrote:
>
> So far, Cappy, Bill Crothers, Bill Repucci. Dale Ensing has a cold so he
> is a ?. We are planning on being there at 9 to 9:15 AM for breakfast and
> then doing a mountain fly over to check the fall colors. Hope you are in.
>
> Cappy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Larry Bowen
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2007 8:40 PM
> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Foothills?
>
> Who is going to Foothills tomorrow? What time?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
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> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Was recently telling Bill Ripucci about the travel scale I purchased for
only about $10. I have found this scale very handy for loading the RV-6A
as well as when we travel with the airlines.
http://www.duluthtrading.com/search/searchresults/91093.aspx?feature=Pr
oduct_1&kw=scale
Thought other RV-ators might also find it useful to keep the W&B where
it should be.
Dale Ensing
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| From: | "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Good Tow Bar for RV-7A? |
Hi All,
I'm looking for tow bar options for my RV-7A. If you have had good/bad
experiences with a particular model please let me know. My requirements are
fairly simple.
1. easy to use
2. lightweight
3. easily stored in baggage compartment.
Thanks in advance for any input.
Greg
_________________________________________________________________
Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star
power.
http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_hotmailtextlink2_oct
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| From: | "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Good Tow Bar for RV-7A? |
Here are 2 pics of mine, and show a little of where I drilled to attach
bolts. Has worked well for 3 years. Got the tow bar at Banyan.
Dale
RV6a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Vouga
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Good Tow Bar for RV-7A?
Hi All,
I'm looking for tow bar options for my RV-7A. If you have had good/bad
experiences with a particular model please let me know. My requirements are
fairly simple.
1. easy to use
2. lightweight
3. easily stored in baggage compartment.
Thanks in advance for any input.
Greg
_________________________________________________________________
Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star
power.
http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_hotmailtextlink2_oct
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Good Tow Bar for RV-7A? |
Greg,
Did you find a tow bar? I have a light weight tow bar purchased from Ken
Barto, Liverpool NY for $48 plus shipping that fits in the luggage area of
my 6A. Works very well.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Good Tow Bar for RV-7A?
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm looking for tow bar options for my RV-7A. If you have had good/bad
> experiences with a particular model please let me know. My requirements
> are fairly simple.
>
> 1. easy to use
> 2. lightweight
> 3. easily stored in baggage compartment.
>
> Thanks in advance for any input.
>
> Greg
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star
> power.
> http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_hotmailtextlink2_oct
>
>
>
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| From: | Greg Vouga <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Good Tow Bar for RV-7A? |
Hi Dale,
I haven't found much. mainly the usual Spruce stuff. Do you have any pict
ures or contact info for the towbar you have? I have pretty limited access
to email right now so responses might be slow.
Thanks,
Greg> From: densing(at)carolina.rr.com> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com> Su
bject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Good Tow Bar for RV-7A?> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 200
densing(at)carolina.rr.com>> > Greg,> Did you find a tow bar? I have a light w
eight tow bar purchased from Ken > Barto, Liverpool NY for $48 plus shippin
g that fits in the luggage area of > my 6A. Works very well.> Dale> > -----
Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Vouga" <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com>> To: <rv
southeast-list(at)matronics.com>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:11 AM>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Good Tow Bar for RV-7A?> > > > --> RVSouthEast-L
ist message posted by: "Greg Vouga" > >> >> > Hi All,>
>> > I'm looking for tow bar options for my RV-7A. If you have had good/ba
d > > experiences with a particular model please let me know. My requiremen
ts > > are fairly simple.> >> > 1. easy to use> > 2. lightweight> > 3. easi
ly stored in baggage compartment.> >> > Thanks in advance for any input.> >
> > Greg> >> > ____________________________________________________________
_____> > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge w
ith star > > power. > > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=stars
=====> > >
_________________________________________________________________
Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble
challenge with star power.
http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | For Sale BMA EFIS One |
Posted to the Rv list for Giff Marr, See details below and contact Giff
directly if interested
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Giffen Marr
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] For Sale BMA EFIS One
New Dual Screen BMA EFIS/One Version 3 for Sale!!!
Upgrade to an Electronic Cockpit.
Everything you could want in a single package EFIS. True A/S, True
Course, Built in GPS, Ground Speed, Solid State Internal Platform,
Moving Map Display with Terrain Elevation. Includes user programmable
full engine monitoring, fuel flow, individual CHT's, EGT's and more.
Reduce cockpit clutter. Accepts outside nav inputs, such as the Garmin
SL-30.
A $16,000+ Value for Thousands Less!
Asking $10,900.
Giff Marr
817-223-9671 (Cell)
817-306-9592
PS: What is the RV List address???
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! |
Dear Listers,
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | a picture for you |
Greg,
Ken Barto's phone number is/was 1 315 622-2072. email was
Kbarto12(at)msn.com. Purchased mine in December 2003. Do not know if he
still sells them.
I have attached a picture of my 6A with the tow bar on the front gear.
Doesn't show the tow bar very well but you can get an idea of the size.
It is probably meant more for steering but I pull the airplane into the
hangar with it and it works very well.
Dale
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. I've
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Please make a Contribution today:
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying... |
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some
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================= What Listers Are Saying ================
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..a great resource!!
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