Warbird-Archive.digest.vol-aa
August 22, 1999 - November 05, 2003
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who
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| From: | Steve Rumel <btsteve(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Ah! a message from the Warbird list server!
I'd sure like to see this list get going!
Steve
PS. I guess you'd know what warbird I'm associated with!
WLBGN(at)aol.com wrote:
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> who
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| From: | Steve Rumel <btsteve(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Majordomo: Request Results: Who |
Ok, gang....... here's a list of the folks on this server so far. Only
17.
Let's all make an effort to get this thing rolling.
Everyone needs to take the time to send a intro message telling what
their interest is in these wonderful old birds! Do you fly 'em.... do
you work on 'em?
Anyone who has contact with folks who flew 'em serving their country,
flying 'em now or are keeping 'em flying, encourage them to join the
list.
Some of the younger folks can learn alot from the guys that do it now!
If we want to keep the wonderful machines flying into the next century,
now is the time to act!
My intro coming soon.
Thanks,
Steve
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| From: | F1Rocket(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Majordomo: Request Results: Who |
OK, I have a question, of the warbirds out there (T28 in particular) how can
I find one that needs some works and does not cost a mere fortune. I want to
keep my first born son. I ran into an operation a while ago that wa offering
a full airframe and engine, complete with bullet holes, for $50k for a T-28.
How much would it take to get one of these things flying again, and what
might be involved?
Ok there are some questions for ya. Lets see if we can get some really good
conversation going on this list. I look forward to the answers.
Scott
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| From: | "Tom Jablonski" <tjablons(at)capital.net> |
| Subject: | Warbird Show - Elmira, NY |
Anyone going to the warbird show next weekend in Elmira, NY? This is
supposedly one of the biggest warbird gatherings in the U.S. From what I
saw on their webpage they'll have (3) B-17's, (5) B-25's, countless AT-6's,
etc. Let me know if you need any additional info.
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| From: | "Norman Hunger" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
Well, lets get the ball rolling.
My name is Norman Hunger and I am currently 1600 hours into building an
RV6A. I have always been interested in the piston fighters of WW2 but the
purchase price of one makes ownership impossible short of a lottery win. Now
that I have spent a few years building an aluminum aircraft I wonder if it
wouldn't be impossible to rebuild a wreck or a badly corroded dream
aircraft. Maybe a plans built aircraft as long as some of the really
difficult pieces with complex bends were available as parts. How many people
would consider building a Corsair if it looked possible? I would. Maybe just
a T-6 would keep me happy. I am in my mid thirties so a ten year project is
not out of the question. I visited Riley in Kissamee and was convinced that
my labor could be my ultimate reward (aside from family achivements of
course ).
I would love to find a project that required a recovery from a remote spot
as I have access to a fleet of very large cranes. These can tow a flatdeck
any where in North America and retrieve the project of my dreams. Any ideas
anyone?
I would certainly aquire a taildragger to practice on while I was retoring
so that if I ever flew a peice of history I would at least have 1000 hrs
with a tailwheel.
Looking forward to an interesting new list,
Norman Hunger
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| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
>
>I've been seeing a few Yaks around lately. They are tandem nosegears that
>are just a bit bigger than a C172. They have radial engines. Most look
>pretty beat up and tired. Are these ex-military trainers? I think so. Does
>any one know what country they are from? China I heard.
There are two aircraft types out there that fit your description: the
YAK-52 and the Nanchang CJ-6A. Many people confuse the two although on
closer inspection they are very different aircraft. Here is a list of some
of the differences:
1. The CJ-6A rudder has a straight trailing edge. The Yak-52 has a
rounded VS and rudder trailing edge.
2. The CJ-6A is flush riveted while the Yak-52 uses round-head rivets.
3. The CJ-6A main landing gear retracts inward and is reasonably well
faired when retracted. The Yak-52 main gear retracts foward but is still
fully exposed.
4. A stock CJ-6A has a 285 hp 9-cyl radial engine of Chinese design. The
Yak-52 has the Vandenyev M-14P 9-cyl radial engine that produces 360 hp.
5. The Yak-52 has full inverted systems (fuel and oil) while the CJ-6 does
not. The CJ-6 does have a pressure carb and will continue to feed fuel and
oil to the engine for short periods of negative G (on the order of 5
seconds for oil P and somewhat longer for fuel P).
6. In cruise the CJ-6A is 15-20 kts faster than the Yak-52.
7. The CJ-6A is a warbird in that it has seen service with the Chinese Air
Force. The Yak-52 is a civilian aerobatic trainer and not a warbird.
Now on to answering your other questions assuming that you are talking
about the CJ-6A.
>How many hours would
>they typically have on them and how many years old would they be?
The CJ-6 was produced from 1957 though sometime around the middle of the
1990's. You can find airframes of all ages available although ones later
than about 1985 are rather rare. Most of them showing up today seem to be
from 1965 to about 1975. My personal CJ-6A is a 1983 model.
>Would those be considered hard hours?
The condition of the aircraft varies greatly. Some are very nice and need
very little work. Others were clearly "rode hard and put away wet." You
need to deal with them on a case-by-case basis. Even so, you can get a dog
for $50K (US), drop $25K (US) into it, and end up with a better aircraft
than a "good" airframe for $75K (US). It just depends on how much work you
want to do.
>Do they come with their histories in the form of complete logs?
Well, sort of. The Chinese don't keep records the way that we do since
they approach the aircraft maintenance differently than we do. Every
600-700 hours a CJ-6 goes back to the factory. They open it up and replace
anything that looks like it might not make it for another 700 hours. They
then swap the engine with one that has just gone through the same
procedure. When done the aircraft goes back out into the field. This
process is repeated until the airframe accrues about 4,000 hours, at which
time it is scrapped.
>Are they still safe to fly advanced aerobatics?
Given that the CJ-6 doesn't have inverted systems and that it does have
dihedral, I would say that it is not really suited to advanced aerobatics.
If you want to do advanced akro, you want a Yak-52, not a CJ-6.
On the other hand, I think that the CJ-6 is a dandy ship to introduce
people to basic akro. I do all positive G manuvers and some manuvers with
limited periods of negative G just fine. You just have to accept that, if
you pull negative in this airplane, the engine is going to dump oil out the
gearbox breather at the front of the engine and even a small quantity of
oil will be spread to every nook and cranny of the airplane by the airflow.
Plan some quality time to wash things down after the flight or the oil
will still be showing up 10 hours later (don't ask me how I know).
>Would they have lived outside their whole lives?
I suspect most have but some may not. The whole airframe appears to be
anodized so I suspect that they hold up pretty well. I am restoring a 1967
model and in spite of its exterior appearance (it looks like a real dog),
inside it appears very clean with very little corrosion.
>What are they worth?
Like all airplanes, they are worth what you are willing to pay. Airplanes
right off the boat in the US are going for $50K - $75K (US) depending on
condition and engine time. One that has been completely restored with
western instruments and avionics and had features added to it may run well
over $100K.
>What is the fuel burn and speeds?
I cruise at 10,000 (full throttle and about 2,000 RPM) at about 140 kts and
13.5 GPH. When I am doing akro I usually run about 75% power and burn
15-16 GPH. I get about 150 kts at this rate down low. With only 42
gallons of fuel you aren't going to stay aloft too long. I generally
figure that, unless I have been very careful about economizing, I need to
be headed for a nearby airport at about two hours flying time. When being
careful I have flown 2+40 with a 45 minute reserve on landing.
If you are more interested in these aircraft there is a mailing list here
at Matronics. Check out the Yak-list.
>Not much action on this list. Is there any one out there?
Just lurkers like you.
Brian Lloyd Lucent Technologies
brian(at)lloyd.com 3461 Robin Lane, Suite 1
http://www.livingston.com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.530.676.6513 - voice +1.530.676.3442 - fax
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| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Anyone listening?????? |
Warbird listers,
I subscribed to this list several weeks ago and have rec'd nothing from it
to date. Either it doesn't work, thence the purpose of this message is a
test, or no one is posting, and then my purpose is to start the proverbial
ball rolling.
For the purposes of the second objective, if people would introduce
themselves and tell us what your involvement in the Warbird community is we
might get some useful discussion rolling.
To that end, here goes! The simplest way to introduce myself is to send you
to my web page at the address in my signature, but the short version is I
have type ratings in the B25 PBY DC3, L.O.A.s in the Corsair and the PBY
and fly most of the trainer types. I fly for the CAF and other private
individuals.
In a former life I was a freight dog and flew Twin Beeches in the deep dark
night. I have a 1957 U-310/A and an RV-4. (which is how I found this list)
Everybody else pile on!
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com/dougr
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| From: | Steve Rumel <BTSteve(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone listening?????? |
Doug,
Welcome to the list from a fellow Colonel.
The list has been kind of quite lately.
What Squadron - Wing are you a member?
I'm a member of the West Houston Squadron and considering joining the
Gulf Coast Wing too..... B-17 don't you know!
I'm Crew Chief for West Houston Squadron's BT-13.
We also have a AT-6A, S-108 & N3N.
Love working on and flying all of them!
You can see some pix at: www.qualityvideoservice.com and select
Warbirds.
Just had our big airshow 3 weeks ago and went good. Were you here?
Worked the Warbird ramp for maintenance.
The BT had some problems but was able to keep her in the show!
Lookinf forward to hearinf from you.
Steve
Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>
>
> Warbird listers,
>
> I subscribed to this list several weeks ago and have rec'd nothing from it
> to date. Either it doesn't work, thence the purpose of this message is a
> test, or no one is posting, and then my purpose is to start the proverbial
> ball rolling.
>
> For the purposes of the second objective, if people would introduce
> themselves and tell us what your involvement in the Warbird community is we
> might get some useful discussion rolling.
>
> To that end, here goes! The simplest way to introduce myself is to send you
> to my web page at the address in my signature, but the short version is I
> have type ratings in the B25 PBY DC3, L.O.A.s in the Corsair and the PBY
> and fly most of the trainer types. I fly for the CAF and other private
> individuals.
>
> In a former life I was a freight dog and flew Twin Beeches in the deep dark
> night. I have a 1957 U-310/A and an RV-4. (which is how I found this list)
>
> Everybody else pile on!
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
> dougr(at)petroblend.com
> www.petroblend.com/dougr
>
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| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone listening?????? |
>
>
>Warbird listers,
>
>I subscribed to this list several weeks ago and have rec'd nothing from it
>to date. Either it doesn't work, thence the purpose of this message is a
>test, or no one is posting, and then my purpose is to start the proverbial
>ball rolling.
No one is posting Doug.
>For the purposes of the second objective, if people would introduce
>themselves and tell us what your involvement in the Warbird community is we
>might get some useful discussion rolling.
Well, I have a Nanchang CJ-6A. If you want to see pictures and a
discussion of my airplane, see http://www.matronics.com/yak18. There is
more info on CJ-6's at http://www.cj6.org.
>To that end, here goes! The simplest way to introduce myself is to send you
>to my web page at the address in my signature, but the short version is I
>have type ratings in the B25 PBY DC3, L.O.A.s in the Corsair and the PBY
>and fly most of the trainer types. I fly for the CAF and other private
>individuals.
Wow Doug! And here I thought you were just an ordinary guy!
>In a former life I was a freight dog and flew Twin Beeches in the deep dark
>night. I have a 1957 U-310/A and an RV-4. (which is how I found this list)
Isn't it odd that the warbird types seem to gravitate to the RV-4?
>Everybody else pile on!
Like this?
Brian Lloyd Lucent Technologies
brian(at)lloyd.com 3461 Robin Lane, Suite 1
http://www.livingston.com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.530.676.6513 - voice +1.530.676.3442 - fax
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| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone listening?????? |
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Rumel <BTSteve(at)ev1.net>
Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Anyone listening??????
>
>Doug,
>Welcome to the list from a fellow Colonel.
>The list has been kind of quite lately.
>What Squadron - Wing are you a member?
>I'm a member of the West Houston Squadron and considering joining the
>Gulf Coast Wing too..... B-17 don't you know!
>I'm Crew Chief for West Houston Squadron's BT-13.
>We also have a AT-6A, S-108 & N3N.
>Love working on and flying all of them!
>You can see some pix at: www.qualityvideoservice.com and select
>Warbirds.
>Just had our big airshow 3 weeks ago and went good. Were you here?
>Worked the Warbird ramp for maintenance.
>The BT had some problems but was able to keep her in the show!
>Lookinf forward to hearinf from you.
>Steve
Steve,
I am a memeber of the Southern MN wing. I have been to your show once many
yrs ago flying Devil Dog. I had a great time and I would very much like to
come again. You should invite Miss Mitchell or the PBY! Did you see our
water drops at Midland?
I fly our BT also, What a wonderful airplane!
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| From: | Steve Rumel <BTSteve(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone listening?????? |
Was rained on by you at Midland. Was a welcome relief from the heat too!
Was with the EOD guys on Sunday and helped set the the charges and even
got to blow a few! I think there is a PBY water drop pix that's going to
be on that page!
I saw ya'lls BT and it's pretty!
We'll have a Midland webpage up real soon.
Got some really good stuff Sunday.
Worked the Trainer ramp Saturday with the orange folks. My wife, Sue
worked the O'club bar for West Houston. All the tips they made are going
to the BT. It's still under MCRP cause of the engine we had to hang on
her year ago.
We most likely walked by each other during that weekend God knows how
many times!
Do you guys have any BT parts up there?
Steve
Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Rumel <BTSteve(at)ev1.net>
> To: warbird-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Anyone listening??????
>
> >
> >Doug,
> >Welcome to the list from a fellow Colonel.
> >The list has been kind of quite lately.
> >What Squadron - Wing are you a member?
> >I'm a member of the West Houston Squadron and considering joining the
> >Gulf Coast Wing too..... B-17 don't you know!
> >I'm Crew Chief for West Houston Squadron's BT-13.
> >We also have a AT-6A, S-108 & N3N.
> >Love working on and flying all of them!
> >You can see some pix at: www.qualityvideoservice.com and select
> >Warbirds.
> >Just had our big airshow 3 weeks ago and went good. Were you here?
> >Worked the Warbird ramp for maintenance.
> >The BT had some problems but was able to keep her in the show!
> >Lookinf forward to hearinf from you.
> >Steve
>
> Steve,
>
> I am a memeber of the Southern MN wing. I have been to your show once many
> yrs ago flying Devil Dog. I had a great time and I would very much like to
> come again. You should invite Miss Mitchell or the PBY! Did you see our
> water drops at Midland?
>
> I fly our BT also, What a wonderful airplane!
>
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| From: | Larry & Karen Gooding <GOODING(at)hargray.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone listening?????? |
Hi Doug, Brian & all others -
Glad you are getting this going.
My husband Larry was a freight dog too (Caravans) until last March when he
"retired", you can imagine how formal that event was. I think they mailed
him a luggage tag or something. Anyway now he's building an RV-6.
He is keyboard-challenged but reads everything I get us into. We both just
enjoy seeing the warbirds and collect a little art. Can't afford one of
our own. I fly a PA-17 and he flies a '61 Skyhawk until he gets the -6
together.
I'd drop my drawers to get to fly a DC-3.
Karen Gooding
>To that end, here goes! The simplest way to introduce myself is to send you
>to my web page at the address in my signature, but the short version is I
>have type ratings in the B25 PBY DC3, L.O.A.s in the Corsair and the PBY
>and fly most of the trainer types. I fly for the CAF and other private
>individuals.
>
>In a former life I was a freight dog and flew Twin Beeches in the deep dark
>night. I have a 1957 U-310/A and an RV-4. (which is how I found this list)
>
>Everybody else pile on!
>
>Tailwinds,
>Doug Rozendaal
>dougr(at)petroblend.com
>www.petroblend.com/dougr
>
>
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| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone listening?????? |
>
> Hi Doug, Brian & all others -
>
snip
>
> I'd drop my drawers to get to fly a DC-3.
>
> Karen Gooding
While you pose an "interesting" offer, I cannot (with your husband and my
wife reading all this etc.) accept your offer.
However, knowing Warbird pilots...., I predict, if you make your desire
more widely known, you will be riding in a DC-3 ride soon!
I have been offered many things for a Warbird ride, and while a similar
offer may have been implied, yours is the by far the most direct. I commend
for your straight forward approach and apologize that I am a chicken! ;-)
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com/dougr
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| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 11/02/99 |
In a message dated 11/03/1999 1:55:15 AM Central Standard Time,
warbird-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
<<
Warbird listers,
I subscribed to this list several weeks ago and have rec'd nothing from it
to date. Either it doesn't work, thence the purpose of this message is a
test, or no one is posting, and then my purpose is to start the proverbial
ball rolling.
For the purposes of the second objective, if people would introduce
themselves and tell us what your involvement in the Warbird community is we
might get some useful discussion rolling.
To that end, here goes! The simplest way to introduce myself is to send you
to my web page at the address in my signature, but the short version is I
have type ratings in the B25 PBY DC3, L.O.A.s in the Corsair and the PBY
and fly most of the trainer types. I fly for the CAF and other private
individuals.
In a former life I was a freight dog and flew Twin Beeches in the deep dark
night. I have a 1957 U-310/A and an RV-4. (which is how I found this list)
Everybody else pile on!
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com >>
Well, now it's my turn...
I ain't rich, famous or fortunate enough to fly a bunch of glamorous
'heavy iron'. My main mount it a T41A, the 32nd T41 delivered to the USAF.
It was a fiftieth birthday present from my wife! Yes, it WAS in a box.
Several, in fact. Although it is currently flying, quite often and well,
thank you, I still don't have the restoration completed.
As for someone's comment that "warbirders gravitate to the RV", the closest I
get is my flying buddy's -8 project. Besides my T41, I've got a C150F, and
am building on both a Peitenpol Sky Scout and a TEAM AirBike. How's that for
retro?
By the way, my aviation career goes back to the low-mid-fifties, when my
first paid job in aviation was emptying ashtrays and wiping cowlings on, you
guessed it, a B17 and a PBY5A. That's how I paid for my flying lessons.
And, to top it all off, I'm a 'freight-dog' too, only on the other side of
the log book. I won't say who I work for, but their airplanes are big,
Purple/White/Orange and they redefined the term "EXPRESS delivery", and made
Memphis the worlds' largest cargo airport.
Ain't it a small world?
Thoughts of an O.F.
Ed Woerle
EdWoerle(at)aol.com
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| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone listening?????? |
>
>
>
>>
>> Hi Doug, Brian & all others -
>>
>snip
>>
>> I'd drop my drawers to get to fly a DC-3.
>>
>> Karen Gooding
>
>offer may have been implied, yours is the by far the most direct. I commend
>for your straight forward approach and apologize that I am a chicken! ;-)
Karen and I have been corresponding in another area. Yes, she is clearly a
no-nonsense and direct person. ;
)
Brian Lloyd Lucent Technologies
brian(at)lloyd.com 3461 Robin Lane, Suite 1
http://www.livingston.com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.530.676.6513 - voice +1.530.676.3442 - fax
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| From: | Larry & Karen Gooding <GOODING(at)hargray.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone listening?????? |
>I have been offered many things for a Warbird ride, and while a similar
>offer may have been implied, yours is the by far the most direct. I commend
>for your straight forward approach and apologize that I am a chicken! ;-)
Don't anybody rush out and buy new underwear, OK? It was just a Southern
figure of speech. You have to consider the source... a grandmother of
five. Who loves tailwheel a/c. (And should know better than to make such
offers to flyboys!)
Karen
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| From: | Larry & Karen Gooding <GOODING(at)hargray.com> |
(To those whose wives haven't unsubscribed them by now...)
The Collings Foundation's B-24J will be at Owens Field (downtown) Columbia,
SC this Saturday and Sunday. Photographer Patrick Bunce, who travels with
the Liberator, and his bride Cristeen who is a friend of mine, will be
there both days. If you have an opportunity to meet them there or
elsewhere on the circuit be sure and introduce yourself. The Foundation
charges $350 for a ride in the B-24J, but if they are about to go up with a
partial load sometimes people can get included for free.
Larry and I will be there on Sunday. For those into real sensory overload
there are also two gun shows in town that weekend!
Karen Gooding
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | JPI vs. Matronics Settlement Reached... |
Dear Listers,
After seven months of negotiations, JP Instruments, Inc. and Matronics
have reached a mutually agreeable settlement. As most of you are aware,
in February of this year, JP Instruments, Inc. alleged that Matronics'
use of the trademark "FuelScan" with its aircraft fuel management system
infringed upon JP Instruments, Inc's trademark "Scanner" for engine
temperature indicators. JP Instruments, Inc. requested that Matronics
discontinue the use of the "FuelScan" mark. After considerable
negotiations, we have come to an agreement whereby JP Instruments, Inc.
will purchase the FuelScan trademark and, if necessary, assist in paying
the cost of Matronics' adoption of a new trademark. Matronics will
continue to sell and market its aircraft fuel management system under
the FuelScan trademark until a phase-out period of up to one year is
completed. This will allow Matronics time to sell out its current stock
of units marked with the FuelScan trademark and to develop a new
trademark.
While negotiations have been a bit trying at times, I would like to say
that I am satisfied with the outcome, and feel that JP Instruments, Inc.
has treated Matronics and me fairly in this matter. Furthermore, I
would encourage you to consider JP Instruments for your aircraft
avionics in the future as they manufacture an excellent product line.
Finally, I would like to thank everyone from around the world for their
support and consideration in this matter. I was quite moved by the
support - both financial and in the form of letters and comments - that
builders and pilots provided me and my company during this time. I
never felt alone during this period, and so very much appreciated the
encouragement from thousands of my friends! Thank you so very much!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
President, Matronics
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Warren Gretz <gretz_aero(at)h2net.net> |
list-aviation ,
list-avionics ,
list-beech ,
list-cessna ,
list-ez ,
list-glasair ,
list-homebuilt ,
list-kolb ,
list-lancair ,
list-piper ,
list-rocket ,
list-rvcanada ,
list-seaplane ,
list-tailwind ,
list-warbird ,
list-yak ,
list-zenith
| Subject: | Heated Pitot Tubes |
Greetings to the List,
I just received a new supply of heated pitot tubes. They are the
PH502-12CR (this used to be called the AN5812), and the AN5814-1. Both
styles of these pitot tubes are 12 volt and only come in a chrome
finish. The PH502-12CR has only the dynamic source for the air speed
indicator, but the AN5814 has a heated static source as well and it
looks good. I sell the PH502-12CR for $135 and the AN5814 is $199.
I also sell the mounting bracket kits to hold the pitot to your
aircraft. These are also available in the same chrome finish as the
pitot tubes to make a beautiful installation. These mouning bracket kits
come with all the parts needed for the installation and come with some
detailed instructions and photos of the process. This kit will work on
either a metal airplane or composite. The price of the mounting bracket
kits is $105.
All of my prices INCLUDE shipping in the US.
I have other products that may be of interest to you. If you would like
a set of flyers on my products, provide me with you US Postal Mail
address and I will send you a set.
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
3664 East Lake Drive
Littleton, CO 80121
303-770-3811
gretz_aero(at)h2net.net
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| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Contribution / Donation |
Items for sale w/ proceeds to help maintain Matronics websites.
Offers should be directed to:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Upon receipt of donation amount, items will be shipped.
No reasonable offer refused!
Unreasonable ones considered!
This will be a one-time posting.
NEW:
Heated Pitot Tube, 24v. "L" shaped.
Aero Instruments #5814-2
Flap Motor w/ adjustable stops. 24v.
Comm.Aircraft Prods. #D145-00-35-7
USED:
Narco Transponder AT5-A
Astronautics amplifier servo 53-005-214 mod#P1SA
Narco altitude reporter. to 25k' Model# AR500
King KS-505 power supply modulator
RCA AVQ55 Weather radar antenna MI 591000
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | [Please Read] List Fund Raiser Continues; LOC #1 December |
1st!
Greetings Listers!
Don't forget the 1999 List Fund Raiser is still in progress and there is
still plenty of time to make a Contribution and assure yourself a place
on on the first List Of Contributors (LOC)! I will post the first LOC
on December 1st and it will detail everyone that has generously made a
Contribution so far this year!!
It costs a great deal to maintain the Email and Web server systems and
high-speed Internet connection that provide the Email List services
found here. I won't even mention the many, many hours I spend each week
running the Lists, doing backups, handling subscription requests, and
creating new email and web features and services such as the Archive
Search Engine, and Archive Browser... Whoops; I think I just did! :-)
This year's Fund Raiser started out pretty slow and I was starting to
think that no one appreciated me anymore... ;-) But, in the last week
or so things have really started to pick up! So if you haven't made a
Contribution yet this year, why not join your email List friends and
make a contribution today to support the continued operation of these
Lists!
There are two easy methods for making your Contribution:
* Make a SSL Secure Web Contribution using your Visa or MasterCard,
surf over to:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution.html
* Make a Contribution by check, send US Mail to:
Matronics
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
I would like to sincerely thank everyone who has already made a
Contribution so far this year! I greatly appreciate your generosity and
support and want you to know that these Lists have been made possible
directly by *YOU*!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Your Email List Administrator
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | 1999 List of Contributors #1 and a Special Thank You Message!! |
Dear Listers,
I would like to personally thank each and everyone that has contributed
this year to 1999 List Fund Raiser! As you can see from the list of
names below, there were many, many generous people from the Lists this
time around and I want everyone to know just how much your support has
meant to me. The list of members below includes those that have
contributed during this year's List Fund Raiser as well as those that
have contributed throughout the year and also those that made a donation
to my Legal Defense Fund earlier in the year that was sponsored my our
own Bob Nuckolls of Aero Electric.
I want everyone to know just how much it means to me to receive the type
of financial support for these Lists that I have this year. As the Lists
have grown so much over the last few years, so have the equipment costs
as well as the monthly costs such as the Internet connectivity. Your
generosity during the Fund Raiser and throughout the year, truly makes
the continued operation, and more importantly, the continued upgrade and
improvement of these aviation-related services directly possible. That
is the bottom line. Please accept my most sincere appreciation of the
amazing and, at times, overwhelming generosity of so many of you
wonderful people! Thank you!!
For those of you that didn't quite get your contribution in on time for
this first List of Contributors - be it by check or by credit card - I
will be posting a followup List of Contributors #2 for 1999 in a few
weeks to make sure that I properly acknowledge each and everyone of the
generous List members. One last time, the addresses to make a contribution
are:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or
Matt Dralle
c/o Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Finally, thank you all so much for your support this year both in terms
of the financial contribution but also in the form of the letters and
moral support during what can only be categorized as a very stressful and
unsettling time. And I think you know what I'm referring to... Your
support and encouragement meant more to me than you'll ever know. I felt
as if I had 2500 friends all behind me, and that's a *powerful* force!
Well done one and all! Thank you!
Best regards for the upcoming year.
Your Email List Administrator,
Matt Dralle
RV-4 Builder #1763
=================== 1999 List of Contributors #1 ====================
Abell, John
Acker, Rob
Adams, Bob
Adamson, Larry
Ahamer, Karl
Albachten, Rudy III
Alcazar, Jesus
Allen, Brent
Allison, Steven
Ammeter, John
Amundsen, Blair
Anderson, Edward
Armstrong, Robert
Arnold, James
Aronson, David
Ashford, James
Ashton, Kent
Atkinson, Harold
Baggett, Robert
Baker, Gary
Baker, Ray
Baldwin, James
Barlow, Melvin
Barnes, Thomas
Barnes, Tom
Barnhart, Dave
Barrenechea, Godo
Battles, Brenton
BB Diversified Services, LTD
Bechtel, Amos
Bell, Bruce
Belted Air Power LTD.
Benhan, Dallas
Bennett, Peter
Besing, Paul
Bieber, Mike
Bilodeau, Paul
Bird, Carroll
Blanton, Stan
Bleier, Roger
Blomgren, Jack
Blum, Ronald
Boadright, Kyle
Boardman, Don III
Boatright, Kyle
Boatright, Robert
Bodie, Pete
Bonesteel, Wayne
Booze, Gregory
Borne, Charles
Bourgeois, Rion
Bourne, Larry
Bovan Pe, Vaso
Bowen, Larry
Bowen, Miles
Bower, Bob
Bowhay, Eustace
Bowman, Brian R
Boyd, Rodney
Branscomb, Warren
Bray, Garrett
Brian Lloyd
Brick, John
Bridgham, David
Brogley, Mike
Brooks, Chris
Brooks, John
Brott, Marvin
Brown, Kent
Brown, Scott
Buckwalter, David - Avionics Systems
Burlingame, Ralph
Burnham, Dave
Calhoun, Ronald
Calvert, Jerry
Cantrell, Ken
Capen, Ralph
Cardinal, Gregory
Carey, Christopher
Carr, David
Carter, Jerry
Carter, Ron
Casey, Jeremy
Chapple, Glen
Chesnut, Bruce
Chesnut, William
Christensen, Peter
Christie, William
Churchill, Frank
Ciolino, John
Clabots, Gerald
Clark, Howard
Clark, James
Clary, Buck
Clay, Dennis
Cloughley, Bill
Cole, Ed
Colontonio, Moe
Colucci, Anthoney
Conaway, James
Cook, David Sr.
Cooley, John
Copeland, Forrest
Corder, Michael
Corriveau, Grant
Cotter, Timothy
Cox, Carson
Croby, Harry
Crosley, Richard
Cullen, Chuck
Czinkota, Garnet
Dall, Richard
Daudt, Larry
Davidson, Jeff
Davis, Christopher
Davis, Jared
Davis, Steve - The Panel Pilot
Davis, William
Day, Robert
Deffner, David
Del Peso, Jose
Derrik, Chuck
Desmond, Richard
Devine, Steven
Devlin, John
Dewees, Ron
Dial, J.R.
Dominey, Clifford
Dorsey, Bob
Downing, Jeff
Dubroc, Tommy
Dudley, Richard
Duffy, Russell
Duncan, John
Dunlap, E.T.
Dziewiontkoski, Bob
Eagleston, Ron
Eagleston, Ronald
Eastburn, James
Elder, William
Elhai, Irv
Emrath, Marty
Ensing, Dale
Ervin, Thomas
Erwin, Chip - Czech Aircraft Works
Evans, Monte
Exstrom, Daniel
Faile, David
Farrar, Jeffrey
Farris, Paul
Fetzer, George
Fiedler, Mike
Filucci, Michael - Red Dragon Aviaion
Finch, K
Flaherty, Edward
Floyd, Joseph
Ford, David
Forrest, Gerald
Forsting, Robert
Fortner, Earl
Four Star Products
Frank, Dan
Franz, Carl
Frazier, Vince
Frederick, Mark
French, Edwin
Friedman, Frank
Froehlich, Carl
Fromm, John
Fry, John
Funk, Edwin Jr.
Funnell, Augustus
George, William
Gilbert, Mark
Giusti, Roberto
Glaser, Arthur
Glass, Roy
Glover, Ken
Gold, Andy - Builder's Book Store
Goldberg, Mark
Good, Chris
Gooding, Lawrence
Goolsby, Jim
Gott, Shelby
Goudreault, Jacques
Graham, James Jr.
Grant, Jordan
Griffin, Bill
Griffin, Randy
Groom, Larry
Guillosso, Alain
Hale, Michael
Hales, Sherman
Hall, Bob
Hall, Thomas
Hamer, Steven
Hamilton, Thom
Hamilton, William
Hand, Chris
Hansen, Ronald
Hargis, Merle
Harmon, John
Harper, Malcom
Harrill, Roy
Harris, John
Hart, Daniel
Harvey, Doug
Hassall, J.C.
Hastedt, Margaret
Hatch, Fletcher III
Hatcher, Clive
Hatfield, Cecil
Hays, Wes
Henderson, George
Henderson, Randall
Heritch, Ian
Herndon, Richard
Herren, Bill
Hevern, Jerry
Hiatt, Mark
Hiers, Craig
Hinch, Christopher
Hine, Joe
Hinkley, Curtis
Hinrichsen, James
Hodge, Jack
Hodgson, Bob
Hodson, Frank
Hoffman, Carl
Holcombe, Richard
Horton, Kevin
Hoshowski, Ken
Hrycauk, Dave
Hughes, Robert
Hulen, Fred
Hundley, Richard
Hurd, James
Hurlbut, Steve
Hutcheson, Ken
Ihlenburg, Fred
Ingram, Jim
Irace, Bill
Irwin, Eric
Isler, Jerry
Ivers, James
James, Larry
Janes, Bob
Janicki, Steven
Japundza, Bob
Jeens, Ken
Johannsson, Johann
Johnson, Jackie
Johnson, Stephen
Jones, Bryan
Jones, Rob
Jones, Russ
Jonker, Bill
Jordan, Thomas
Jory, Rick
Kampthorne, Hal
Kayner, Dennis
Keithley, Rick
King, Da Ve
Kirby, Dennis
Kirby, Graham
Kirtland, Charles
Kitz, John
Knezacek, Dan
Knievel, Gerald
Knoll, Bruce
Kosta, Michael
Kowalski, Ed
Krueger, Dan
Krueger, Scott
Kuss, Charlie
Laczko, Frank Sr.
Lamb, Richard
Lane, Kevin
Lassen, Finn
Laurence, Peter
Laverty, Mike
Lawson, John
Leaf, Dave
Lee, John
Lee, Ric
LeGare, Garry
Leggette, Len
Leonard, William
Lerohl, Gaylen
Lervold, Randy
Lewis, Terry
Lewis, Tim
Ligon, Howard
Lind, Laird
Linebaugh, Jeffrey
Loeber, Wayne
Ludeman, Bruce
Lutes, Rick
Mac Donald, Lawrence
MacKay, Alex
Malczynski, Francis
Mandell, Tom
Marino, Anthony
Marion, Chris
Markert, Michael
Marshall, Robert
Martin, Tom
Maxson, Phil
Mazatuad, Mme Hyun Sook
McElhoe, Bruce
McFarlane, Lloyd
McGee, Michael
McHarry, Joe
McHenry, Tedd
McKibben, Gerald
McNamara, Don
Melder, Frank
Melia, Tom
Metzger, Stephen
Meyers, John
Miller, Jim & Dondi - Aircraft Technical Support
Mitchell, Duane
Moen, Craig
Mojzisik, Allan
Molzen, Jason
Mondy, Malia
Moore, Thomas
Moore, Warren
Morelli, Bill
Morelli, William
Morris, Daniel III
Morrison, Mark
Morrow, Dan
Moulin, Roger
Munn, Mike
Murphy, Ray Jr.
Neal, Danny
Nellis, Michael
Nelson, James
Nelson, Jim
Newell, Alan
Nguyen, Thomas
Nice, James
Nicely, Vincent
Norris, Rob
Nowakowski, Donald
Noyer, Robert
Nuckolls, Robert
Olendorf, Scott
Olson, Larry
Olson, Tom
Orear, Jeffrey
Owens, Laird
Palinkas, Gary
Pardue, Larry
Paulson, Craig
Peck, Bill & Kathy
Peer, Michael - Jem Aviation
Peryk, Dennis
Peternel, Stanley
Petersen, Eric
Petersen, Paul
Peterson, Alex
Pflanzer, Randy
Phillips, Mark
Pickrell, Jim
Pike, Richard
Pinneo, George
Pittenger, Dick
Plathey, Claude
Point, Jeff
Polstra, Philip
Porter, Richard
Porter, Robert
Potter, Mark
Pretzsch, Robert
Ragsdale, Bill
Randolph, George
Ransom, Ben
Rathbun, Richard
Reeck, Jay
Reed, Derek
Reed, Frank
Reisdorfer, Mark
Reynolds, Richard
Richardson, Ray - Powersport Aviation Inc.
Riedlinger, Paul
Riley, Stuart
Roach, Brian
Rodgers, Brian
Rosales, Paul
Rowbotham, Charles
Rowles, Les
Rozendaal, Doug
Rutherford, Ted
Sa, Carlos
Sager, Jim
Sailer, Martin
SanClemente, Andrew
Sapp, Doug
Sargent, Tom
Sax, Samuel
Schemmel, Grant
Schippers, John
Schmitt, Clayton
Schneeflock, Robert
Schrimmer, Mark
Schwarz, Guillermo
Selby, Jim - JKL Aviation Sales
Seward, Douglas
Shackleford, Howard
Shafer, Jim
Shank, Bill
Sheets, Douglas
Shenk, Doug
Shepherd, Dallas
Shettel, Maurice
Shipley, Walter
Sigmon, Harvey
Silverstein, Chuck
Sipp, Dick
Slaughter, Mike
Small, Thomas
Smith, Clayton
Smith, Edmund
Smith, Philip
Smith, Shelby
Smithey, Lloyd
Snyder, David
Solecki, John
Sparks, Timothy
Stafford, David
Staub, Skip
Steer, Bill
Stobbe, Bruce
Stoffers, Larry
Stone, James
Strandjord, Eric
Swaney, Mark
Tauch, Eric
Tauchen, Bryan
Taylor, Tod
Team Rocket
Thayer, George
Therrien, Michel
Thistelthwaite, Geoffrey
Thoman, Daniel
Thomas, Lee
Thomas, Tim
Thompson, Michael
Todd, John
Tompkins, Jeff
Tower, John
True, George
Tucker, Harold
Tuton, Beauford
Tyrrel, Charles
Upshur, Bill
Uribe, Guillermo
Uribe, Gullermo
Utterback, Thomas
Van Der Sanden, Gert
Vandervort, Ronald
VanGrunsven, Stanley
Varnes, William
Volum, Peter
Von Ruden, Dennis
VonLindern, Paul
Vosberg, Roy
Waligroski, Gregg
Walker, Tommy
Walrath, Howard
Ward, Ed
Warren, John
Washburn, Oliver
Watson, Dennis
Watson, Terrence
Watson, William
Webb, Randol
Weber, Ed
Weber, Edward
Weller, Michael
Wendel, Jim
Wentzell, David
Werner, Russ
Werner, Russell
Westridge, David
Whelan, Thomas
Whiler, Douglas
Whitehead, Arthur
Wiesel, Dan
Wigney, John
Williams, Jimmy
Williams, Keith
Williams, Lawrence
Willig, Louis
Wills, Mike
Wilson, Billy
Wittman, James
Wood, Denton
Wood, John
Wood, Mark
Worstell, Glen
Worthington, Victor
Wotring, Dale
Wymer, Gerald
Young, Charles
Young, Rollin
Youngblood, Barry
Zeidman, Richard
Zigaitis, Kestutis
Zinkham, Ralph
Zwart, Frank
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Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | 1999 List of Contributors #2! |
Dear Listers,
Below is the final List of Contributors for 1999 as promised. Again, I
would like to thank everyone that made a generous contribution in 1999
to support the continued operation of these email Lists. Your support
directly makes the quality and quantity of this service possible.
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
RV-4 Builder, #1763 - N442RV
=================== 1999 List of Contributors #2 ====================
Adamson, Arden
Allender, Patrick
Anonymous from MN
Asher, M.E.
Baxter, Rob
Bell, Doug
Bendure, Ryan
Bergh, David
Berrie, Robert
Blake, J.I.
Boucher, Michel
Bragg, Medford
Briegleb, Ross
Brietigam, Charles
Broomell, Glenn
Brusilow, Michael
Chatham, Robert
Clary, Buck
Coats, Lonnie
Cook, Craig - Golf Instruments Co.
Cooper, James
Cribb, William Jr.
Crosby, Harry
Dane, Bill Von
Dziewiontkoski, Bob
Ellenberger, Mike
Embree, Roger
Faatz, Mitch
Fasching, John
Gibbons, Robert
Glauser, David
Gold, Andy -Builder's Bookstore 10%
Gregory, Steve
Grenier, Raymond
Guarino, Michael
H., Harold - E.P.M.AV Corp
Hale, Brian
Hunt, Wallace
Johnston, Leroy
Jordon, Don
Killion, Clay
Klingmuller, Dr. L.M.
Magaw, David
Mains, Ralph
Maltby, Michael
Martin, Cliff - Martin Metal Fab
Mazataud, Hyun Sook
McBride, Duncan
McDonald, James
Mendenhall, Elbie - E.M Aviation
Mitchell, Duane
Morley, Harold
Peck, Phil
Pessel, Garnett
Rodebush, James
Ross, Jonathan
Schmidt, John
Scully, William
Smith, Steven
Spence, Stephen
Triff, Wes
Wagoner, Richard
Weaver, Brian
Wiegenstein, John
Wiley, Robert
Wilson, Donald
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Confusion Over "List of Contributors"... |
Hi Listers,
I'm really sorry for the confusion over the most recent posting of the
List of Contributors #2. List #2 contained only the contributor names
*since* the List #1 was posted. So, if you weren't on List #2, you were
likely on List #1. Below are URLs to each of the LOC #x postings.
Again, sorry for the confusion. I should have made it more clear in
the verbiage.
Thanks to everyone,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
============================= LOC #1 and #2 ================================
List of Contributors #1 - 1999
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http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=29144?KEYS=list_of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
List of Contributors #2 - 1999
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http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=29144?KEYS=list_of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
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Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle 925-606-1001 <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: (Whoops) Confusion Over "List of Contributors"... |
>
>Okay, here are the *real* URLs. Sorry...
>
>
>Matt Dralle
>Email List Admin.
>
>
>============================= LOC #1 and #2 ================================
>
>
> List of Contributors #1 - 1999
> ------------------------------
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=29144?KEYS=list_
>of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
>
>
> List of Contributors #2 - 1999
> ------------------------------
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53146?KEYS=list_
>of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=1?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
>
>
>============================================================================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Re: (No, Really - Here are the URLs) Confusion Over "List |
of Contributors"...
Geeze, I can't seem to type today. Here are the *real*, *REAL* URLs.
Sorry for so many posts... Ack
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
============================= LOC #1 and #2 ================================
List of Contributors #1 - 1999
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http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=29144?KEYS=list_of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
List of Contributors #2 - 1999
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Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Test only
Bruce
5151 builder
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| From: | Warren Gretz <gretz_aero(at)h2net.net> |
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| Subject: | [Fwd: RV-List: Aeroelectric.com] |
I wanted to pass this on to all of you.
Warren Gretz
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:24:22 -0700
From: Warren Gretz <gretz_aero(at)h2net.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Aeroelectric.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Warren Gretz
I just talked to Bob yesterday and asked him if his internet host/provider
has a problem. They do. He said he has not been able to do anything since
last Thursday. Today, Monday he was going to seek out a new provider that
hopefully will provide continous service. It may be a few more days, but he
will be back.
Warren Gretz
Fran Malczynski wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Fran Malczynski"
>
> Has any body else had a problem connecting to "Electric Bob's" website? I
> printed off a document on it last week and haven't been able to connect
> since.
>
> Fran Malczynski
> RV6 (fuse)
> Olcott, NY
>
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| From: | "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Important - NorthEast AeroElectric Seminar |
All,
EAA Chapter # 334 is please to sponsor Bob Nuckoll's - North East 2000
Seminar.
March 11 (Saturday) 8am > 5pm
March 12 (Sunday) 8:30am > Noon
Location: Survival Systems (Groton Airport)
Groton, CT
If you haven't met Bob or bought his Outstanding book, I know you've seen
his regular responses to our frequent Electrical questions. If your as
impressed with his Electrical knowledge from his answers to our questions,
meeting him in person and receiving training from Bob will "Blow You Away".
The media uses words such as Guru and Expert very freely. This is your
opportunity to meet and be trained by a True Expert.
I was privileged to meet Bob in person and have him review my basic
electrical plan. The knowledge and suggestions he made (in just an hour) was
incredible and I had spent 4-years as an USAF A/C Radio Repairman. I also
bought his book and it is my Electrical Bible.
We expect to have a Group hotel rate confirmed by Friday - and will let the
List know the details.
To review the seminar plan and costs goto: www.AeroElectric.com
If you have any questions email me or call during the day @ (860)433-1488.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A
Niantic, CT
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Hello all,
I am building a Loehle 5151. It's a 3/4 scale P-51 Mustang. I would like
to know if anyone has a photo of a P-51D "Old Crow" cockpit I could use
for reference.
Thanks in advance,
Bruce Watkins
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Internet Explorer and List Subscription Page Problem... |
Listers,
I have just identified a problem between any version of Microsoft's
Internet Explorer and the email List Subscription Form found at
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Please note that this problem
*ONLY* affects users of Internet Explorer! Netscape users are
*not* affected by the issue. Users of Internet Explorer should
use the Netscape browser for now until a work around can be
developed.
IMPORTANT:
If you have tried to subscribe *or* unsubscribe from any of the
following email lists using *Internet Explorer* since the announcement of
the 7 new Email Lists this past weekend, your request was not properly
received and you should resubmit the request using the Netscape
Browser, or wait until a solution for the problem with Internet Explorer
is completed. The Lists affected by the Internet Explorer issue are:
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Please note that the Netscape Browser *IS NOT* affected by this problem
and all lists can be subscribed to and unsubscribed from without a
problem.
I will post a message to the Lists when I have come up with a solution
to this problem.
Sorry for the inconvenience,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
"Internet Explorer and List Subscription Page Problem..." (Feb 15, 10:19am)
| Subject: | Re: Web Subscription Page Operation for Internet Explorer |
Restored...
Dear Listers,
I have rewritten the web page and CGI code for processing List
Subscription Requests to now be more compatible with command line
limitations of Microsoft's Internet Explorer and some very
old versions of Netscape. The page seems to be working fine
now on whatever browser I try. Please feel free to resume
your normal List Subscription habits.
The URL is: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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>
>Listers,
>
>I have just identified a problem between any version of Microsoft's
>Internet Explorer and the email List Subscription Form found at
>http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Please note that this problem
>*ONLY* affects users of Internet Explorer! Netscape users are
>*not* affected by the issue. Users of Internet Explorer should
>use the Netscape browser for now until a work around can be
>developed.
>
>IMPORTANT:
>
>If you have tried to subscribe *or* unsubscribe from any of the
>following email lists using *Internet Explorer* since the announcement of
>the 7 new Email Lists this past weekend, your request was not properly
>received and you should resubmit the request using the Netscape
>Browser, or wait until a solution for the problem with Internet Explorer
>is completed. The Lists affected by the Internet Explorer issue are:
>
> RVCanada-List
> RVEurope-List
> Sailplane-List
> Seaplane-List
> Skymaster-List
> SmithMini-List
> Sonerai-List
> Tailwind-List
> Ultralight-List
> Warbird-List
> Yak-List
> Zenith-List
>
>
>Please note that the Netscape Browser *IS NOT* affected by this problem
>and all lists can be subscribed to and unsubscribed from without a
>problem.
>
>I will post a message to the Lists when I have come up with a solution
>to this problem.
>
>Sorry for the inconvenience,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Admin.
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| From: | Warren Gretz <warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com> |
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| Subject: | New Gretz Aero website! |
Greetings to all,
I am glad to announce that my new webpage is up and running. If you
would like to see the aircraft products I offer, and the information I
provide on options for equipment installed on aircraft, you may want to
check out my website. Be sure to bookmark this site as it will continue
to grow.
The webpage address is:
http://www.gretzaero.com
I hope you find it interesting.
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | NOTICE: Matronics Web Server Back Online... |
Dear Email Listers,
The Matronics Web and FTP server is finally back online! What a
nightmare... But at least its finally done and in all honesty the
system is running much better. Everything should be working now
including the Search Engine, Archive Browser, various List-related
pages, Matronics Product Pages, Online Ordering, Real Video server
and Contribution pages.
Again, I'm sorry it took so long to get things back - way longer than I
ever intended.
Have fun!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ: Network Problems To Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
My ISP is upgrading their network today 4/30 and tomorrow 5/1. I
noticed that Nameservice (DNS) went down last night around 3am which
causes all sorts of problems. If your message post was rejected between
about 3am 4/30 and 1pm 4/30, please repost as it was rejected do to the
DNS being down. I've redirected my systems to a different DNS server in
the mean time and things seem to be working right now. In any case, be
aware that there may be continuing issues over the next couple of days
both posting email messages and accessing the web server.
My ISP *promises* that things are going to be so much better after the
upgrade! We'll see... ;-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
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| From: | Henry Pezzetti <hapezz(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Please remove me from your mailing list.
Regards
H. Pezzetti
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| From: | "Randall Henderson" <randallh(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Room at OSH available |
Well, my on-again off-again plans for OSH are off again, at least for most
of it, so the room I had reserved will be available. This is a room with a
queen bed in a nice house with central air. The hostess, Sharon Hawkins,
provides continental breakfast. She works the EAA too so it should be
possible to catch a ride with her to and from the show when she goes. The
house is close to a bus line so you can get to/from that way too. Its
available for the whole show.
If interested, contact Sharon Hawkins, 920-232-8554.
Please email me if you get the room so I can get my deposit back.
Randall Henderson
randall(at)edt.com
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| From: | "Randall Henderson" <randallh(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Room at OSH taken |
Looks like the room I posted at OSH (Sharon Hawkins') has been taken
(Charlie, be sure to let me and/or the list know if anything changes.)
I will in fact be going but not until Friday or Saturday, and I'll just
camp. Look forward to seeing y'all!
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~100 hrs)
Portland, OR
http://www.edt.com/homewing
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | New Windows Utility For SkyMap II/IIIC... |
Listers,
For those of you that have had the pleasure of flying with one of the
new Skyforce/King Skymap II or IIICs, I've been working on a Windows
application that you might be interested in. Its call SkyComm and
allows you to connect up your Windows 95/98/NT/2000 PC or laptop to
the RS232 serial port on the Skymap and manage a number of its internal
datasets. Some of SkyComm's features include Screen Shot Capture,
Upload/Download of up to 4000 characters to the Skymap's internal
Notepad for something like an online checklists etc., Upload/Download of
Waypoint and Route data, and Download of the Skymap's Logger database.
There's even a built in wiring diagram for the requisite RS232 cable! I
have just finished Version 1.0 and am considering this Beta 1. I have
setup a rather extensive web site for information on the application and
for its download.
If you have a SkyMap, you're going to want this program! Best of all,
its FREE! Well, I do ask that those that like it make a voluntary
List contribution... :-)
The URL for the site is listed below and can also now be found off the
main Matronics web site as well as the specific List web pages.
Please download the program and let me know what you think! Comments
should be directed to support(at)matronics.com
SkyComm Web Site
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http://www.matronics.com/skycomm/
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
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| From: | "B. Riesen" <briesenjr(at)prodigy.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/04/00 |
Please remove my name and e-mail address from you mailing list. Thank
you...
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| From: | "Lonnie Gillespie" <lonelg(at)ionet.net> |
REMOVE
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| From: | larry laporte <llapo(at)dmv.com> |
please un-subscribe to all mail list thank you
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| From: | Foelker David J LtCol 50FTS/ADO <david.foelker(at)columbus.af.mil> |
| Subject: | RE: Czech-List: Unsubscribe |
Please unsubscribe me from Czech-List.
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| From: | larry laporte <llapo(at)dmv.com> |
| Subject: | RV4-List: (no subject) |
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| From: | Foelker David J LtCol 50FTS/ADO <david.foelker(at)columbus.af.mil> |
| Subject: | RV-List: RE: Czech-List: Unsubscribe |
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V/R,
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| Subject: | RV4-List: RE: Czech-List: Unsubscribe |
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| Subject: | RV-List: (no subject) |
--> RV-List message posted by: larry laporte
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| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/19/00 |
Please Unsubscribe me.
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| From: | "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)aviart.net> |
| Subject: | Hello listers... |
I just joined the warbird fold by purchasing a T-6G...also am rebuilding an
RV-4 that I landed in some trees a couple of years ago.
Anyone out there?
Richard Bibb
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| From: | Quality Video Service <btsteve(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello listers... |
Hello Richard,
Welcome to the Warbird community!
This list is very slow..... not much traffic.
Can't understand why it hasn't taken off.....
I don't own a Warbird but I'm Crew Chief for a BT-13A for the West Houston
Squadron of The Confederate Air Force.
Sort of the little sister to the AT-6, but more scarce. ;-)
I can send several good pictures if anyone is interested.
Looking for a rebuild kit for the BT's tail wheel strut.
Any ideas of who to call?
Col Steve Rumel, CAF
Richard Bibb wrote:
>
> I just joined the warbird fold by purchasing a T-6G...also am rebuilding an
> RV-4 that I landed in some trees a couple of years ago.
>
> Anyone out there?
>
> Richard Bibb
>
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| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello listers... |
At 08:38 PM 9/22/2000, you wrote:
>
>I just joined the warbird fold by purchasing a T-6G...
I guess you must own an oil well. :
)
>also am rebuilding an
>RV-4 that I landed in some trees a couple of years ago.
Didn't you post that to the RV-list? Something about not landing on a
school football field so you went for the top of the trees where both you
and the airplane survived, right?
>Anyone out there?
No, no one to speak of. ;
)
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.6513 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello listers... |
Hey Brian,
I am here,
Richard, congrats on your purchase. Whose airplane did you buy and where
will it live?
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com\dougr
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Hello listers...
>
> At 08:38 PM 9/22/2000, you wrote:
> >
> >I just joined the warbird fold by purchasing a T-6G...
>
> I guess you must own an oil well. :
)
>
> >also am rebuilding an
> >RV-4 that I landed in some trees a couple of years ago.
>
> Didn't you post that to the RV-list? Something about not landing on a
> school football field so you went for the top of the trees where both you
> and the airplane survived, right?
>
> >Anyone out there?
>
> No, no one to speak of. ;
)
>
>
> Brian Lloyd
> brian(at)lloyd.com
> +1.530.676.6513 - voice
> +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/22/00 |
We're here, but for the most part a silent minority...unfortunately.
I've got a T41A, a 150 and other assorted parts for Piet and Air Bike. T41
and 150 fly, the others might someday. Also have a damaged Skyhopper II I'd
like to sell!
Ed
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| From: | "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)aviart.net> |
"Brian Lloyd"
| Subject: | Re: Hello listers... |
I bought the plane from Bill Hudgens in Montgomery, AL... will base it at
Masassas, VA (HEF). The RV is coming along nicely, too - one wing riveted
and another to go in the jig today.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Rozendaal <dougr(at)petroblend.com>
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Hello listers...
>
>Hey Brian,
>
>I am here,
>
>Richard, congrats on your purchase. Whose airplane did you buy and where
>will it live?
>
>Tailwinds,
>Doug Rozendaal
>dougr(at)petroblend.com
>www.petroblend.com\dougr
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com>
>To: ; Richard Bibb
>Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 4:39 PM
>Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Hello listers...
>
>
>>
>> At 08:38 PM 9/22/2000, you wrote:
>> >
>> >I just joined the warbird fold by purchasing a T-6G...
>>
>> I guess you must own an oil well. :
)
>>
>> >also am rebuilding an
>> >RV-4 that I landed in some trees a couple of years ago.
>>
>> Didn't you post that to the RV-list? Something about not landing on a
>> school football field so you went for the top of the trees where both you
>> and the airplane survived, right?
>>
>> >Anyone out there?
>>
>> No, no one to speak of. ;
)
>>
>>
>> Brian Lloyd
>> brian(at)lloyd.com
>> +1.530.676.6513 - voice
>> +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)aviart.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello listers... |
Yes I wrote about it...N144KT is in restoration and will fly again next year
I hope. Wings about 1/2 done, fuselage forward of rear seat needs to be
reskinned. I am back working on it in earnest at this time....
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com>
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Hello listers...
>At 08:38 PM 9/22/2000, you wrote:
>>
>>I just joined the warbird fold by purchasing a T-6G...
>
>I guess you must own an oil well. :
)
>
>>also am rebuilding an
>>RV-4 that I landed in some trees a couple of years ago.
>
>Didn't you post that to the RV-list? Something about not landing on a
>school football field so you went for the top of the trees where both you
>and the airplane survived, right?
>
>>Anyone out there?
>
>No, no one to speak of. ;
)
>
>
>Brian Lloyd
>brian(at)lloyd.com
>+1.530.676.6513 - voice
>+1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
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| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello listers... |
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Richard Bibb wrote:
> Yes I wrote about it...N144KT is in restoration and will fly again next year
> I hope. Wings about 1/2 done, fuselage forward of rear seat needs to be
> reskinned. I am back working on it in earnest at this time....
That is great. I marveled at your lucky landing and I have used it to
talk about the advantage of being able to fly slowly.
The interesting connection here is that I used to have an RV-4. Doug was
on the RV-list too. When I announced that my RV-4 was for sale, Doug told
a friend of his, Jerry Beck, an avid warbird collector, and Jerry bought
my RV-4 to fly when he wasn't flying his F4U, P-40, or TBM. I think that
the RV-4 ought to be an honorary warbird.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.6513
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| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello listers... |
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Richard Bibb wrote:
> Well I plan to keep [the RV4] and fly it when I want to have fun and
> not burn over 30 gal an hour....
Well, my CJ6a burns about 14 GPH and it burns mogas. It also cruises,
climbs, and maneuvers with the T6/SNJ. Maybe we can have a good-natured
"my airplane is better than yours" session here. As cost-effective
warbirds go (wow, is THAT ever an oxymoron), the CJ6a is pretty good.
> Yes, being able to land at 50 mph probably saved my life if not just
> prevented serious injury....
I heard a statistic describing the survivability of a crash with regard to
speed. It said something like below 60 kts is 90% survivable and over 90
kts is 90% fatal. Your 45 kt arrival seems to support this.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.6513
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| From: | "dabear" <dabear(at)damned.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello listers... |
Also remember that 93.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Al
N151PA
Yak-52 (for sale)
>
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Richard Bibb wrote:
>
> > Well I plan to keep [the RV4] and fly it when I want to have fun and
> > not burn over 30 gal an hour....
>
> Well, my CJ6a burns about 14 GPH and it burns mogas. It also cruises,
> climbs, and maneuvers with the T6/SNJ. Maybe we can have a good-natured
> "my airplane is better than yours" session here. As cost-effective
> warbirds go (wow, is THAT ever an oxymoron), the CJ6a is pretty good.
>
> > Yes, being able to land at 50 mph probably saved my life if not just
> > prevented serious injury....
>
> I heard a statistic describing the survivability of a crash with regard to
> speed. It said something like below 60 kts is 90% survivable and over 90
> kts is 90% fatal. Your 45 kt arrival seems to support this.
>
> Brian Lloyd
> brian(at)lloyd.com
> +1.530.676.6513
>
>
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| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello listers... |
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, dabear wrote:
>
> Also remember that 93.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
I had heard that it was 92.7%. Is that within measurement error?
> Al
> N151PA
> Yak-52 (for sale)
You still haven't sold that thing? ;
)
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.6513
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| From: | Charley Zurian <charleyz(at)pacificnet.net> |
>>From: "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)aviart.net>
>>Subject: Warbird-List: Hello listers...
>>
>>
>>I just joined the warbird fold by purchasing a T-6G...also am rebuilding an
>>RV-4 that I landed in some trees a couple of years ago.
>>
>>Anyone out there?
>>
>>Richard Bibb
>>
>
Richard,
I've been watching the list, but not a lot of activity...thought there
would be more W'bird guys out there...
Congrats on the T6G...bought mine in May this year! Ex-Spanish. Keeps me
busy both flying and maintaining!
Charley
cz(at)transfx.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Jablonski" <tjablons(at)capital.net> |
"Warbird-List Digest Server"
Saw a post in last week or so regarding inactivity on this mail list and
so-called silent majority. Maybe some introductions would help.
I'm from the Albany, NY area. Although I don't have a warbird (in fact, I'm
only slowly working on getting my private pilots license), I'd love to help
someone locally that has one (crew, maintenance, etc).
Just got back from the Wings of Eagles show in Elmira, NY - biggest warbird
show in the Mid-Atlantic. Had the opportunity to finally see CAF's B-29
(Fifi) and B-24 (Diamond Lil) along with a bunch of other planes (P-51's,
Corsair, P-40, B-25, etc).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
We tried the introduction thing along time ago when this list first
started, maybe we should run around again.
If people would tell who they are, where they live and what they fly it
would be helpful.
Here goes again,
My name is Doug Rozendaal. I own a U-3/A, C-45, and an RV-4. The C-45 is
finishing up a restoration and will be for sale shortly. I buy and sell some
airplanes.
I am typed in B-25, PBY, DC-3. I have an LOA in the PBY & Corsair. ( the
one with pistons)
The airplanes I fly most regularly are Miss Mitchell B-25, CAF St Paul, MN.
Old Glory, B-25 Tulsa OK. Axis Nightmare, B-25 Springfield IL. Tanker 115,
PBY CAF Duluth, MN. DC-3 Ankeny, IA. F4U-4 Corsair, Whapeton ND. I also fly
T-6 BT-13 C-45 etc.
I live in Clear Lake Iowa and own and operate a lubricating oil business in
Mason City, Iowa.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com/dougr
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)aviart.net> |
"Warbird-List Digest Server"
Got my first dual in it today...gotta get 10 hours before solo....
-----Original Message-----
From: Charley Zurian <charleyz(at)pacificnet.net>
Digest Server
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: Warbird-List: T6
>
>
>>>From: "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)aviart.net>
>>>Subject: Warbird-List: Hello listers...
>>>
>>>
>>>I just joined the warbird fold by purchasing a T-6G...also am rebuilding
an
>>>RV-4 that I landed in some trees a couple of years ago.
>>>
>>>Anyone out there?
>>>
>>>Richard Bibb
>>>
>>
>Richard,
>
>I've been watching the list, but not a lot of activity...thought there
>would be more W'bird guys out there...
>
>Congrats on the T6G...bought mine in May this year! Ex-Spanish. Keeps me
>busy both flying and maintaining!
>
>Charley
>cz(at)transfx.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)aviart.net> |
"Warbird-List Digest Server"
Got my first dual in it today...gotta get 10 hours before solo....
-----Original Message-----
From: Charley Zurian <charleyz(at)pacificnet.net>
Digest Server
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: Warbird-List: T6
>
>
>>>From: "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)aviart.net>
>>>Subject: Warbird-List: Hello listers...
>>>
>>>
>>>I just joined the warbird fold by purchasing a T-6G...also am rebuilding
an
>>>RV-4 that I landed in some trees a couple of years ago.
>>>
>>>Anyone out there?
>>>
>>>Richard Bibb
>>>
>>
>Richard,
>
>I've been watching the list, but not a lot of activity...thought there
>would be more W'bird guys out there...
>
>Congrats on the T6G...bought mine in May this year! Ex-Spanish. Keeps me
>busy both flying and maintaining!
>
>Charley
>cz(at)transfx.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
I am Brian Lloyd. My aviation curriculum vitae is nowhere near as
interesting as Doug's. As far as warbirds are concerned, I have two
Nanchang CJ6A Chinese primary trainers, one flying and one being
restored. I also have a Piper PA-16 Clipper and a PA-24 Comanche. I
instruct in the CJ6 out in California, providing transition and formation
training in the aircraft. My personal credentials are CSEL/I/CFI with
about 4500 hours under my belt.
If you are interested in the CJ6, see http://www.cj6.org and
http://www.yakpilots.org.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.6513 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)aviart.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
Here goes...
I am Richard Bibb and i just bought a T-6G. Currently working out how to
get t from Alabama to the DC area as the insurance company wont let me fly
it solo until I can get 10 hours dual which is a logistical nightmare with
the plane being over 500 miles from home.
I also own a '68 Mooney M20F that has been extensively modified such that
for all practical purposes is is a 201. This is my traveling plane...
In addition to all that I am rebuilding an RV-4 that I landed in the trees
two years ago (without injury to me) tha I hope to haveflying next summer.
I live in the Northern Virginia area ourside DC, am an Instrument rated
Private Pilot (ASEL), and have a little over 500 hors total time - about 350
of which has come in last three years....
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Richard Bibb wrote:
>
> Here goes...
>
> I am Richard Bibb and i just bought a T-6G. Currently working out how to
> get t from Alabama to the DC area as the insurance company wont let me fly
> it solo until I can get 10 hours dual which is a logistical nightmare with
> the plane being over 500 miles from home.
Hire and instructor your insurance company accepts and then get him/her to
fly back with you and the airplane. You get the airplane moved and you
get the first 4 hours of dual that way. Someone is doing that with me to
help them ferry their CJ6 to the east coast while getting some dual along
the way. He will have his 10 hours by the time we get there.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.6513
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dougr(at)petroblend.com |
| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
Richard,
If you can't find an instructor to fly home with you, I might be able to help you
out.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
>
>
> Here goes...
>
> I am Richard Bibb and i just bought a T-6G. Currently working out how to
> get t from Alabama to the DC area as the insurance company wont let me fly
> it solo until I can get 10 hours dual which is a logistical nightmare with
> the plane being over 500 miles from home.
>
> I also own a '68 Mooney M20F that has been extensively modified such that
> for all practical purposes is is a 201. This is my traveling plane...
>
> In addition to all that I am rebuilding an RV-4 that I landed in the trees
> two years ago (without injury to me) tha I hope to haveflying next summer.
>
> I live in the Northern Virginia area ourside DC, am an Instrument rated
> Private Pilot (ASEL), and have a little over 500 hors total time - about 350
> of which has come in last three years....
>
> Richard
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)aviart.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
Thanks Doug...I think I have a line on someone but I will yell for help if I
need it....
-----Original Message-----
From: dougr(at)petroblend.com <dougr(at)petroblend.com>
Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Introductions
>
>Richard,
>
>If you can't find an instructor to fly home with you, I might be able to
help you out.
>
>Tailwinds,
>
>Doug Rozendaal
>
>
>>
>>
>> Here goes...
>>
>> I am Richard Bibb and i just bought a T-6G. Currently working out how to
>> get t from Alabama to the DC area as the insurance company wont let me
fly
>> it solo until I can get 10 hours dual which is a logistical nightmare
with
>> the plane being over 500 miles from home.
>>
>> I also own a '68 Mooney M20F that has been extensively modified such that
>> for all practical purposes is is a 201. This is my traveling plane...
>>
>> In addition to all that I am rebuilding an RV-4 that I landed in the
trees
>> two years ago (without injury to me) tha I hope to haveflying next
summer.
>>
>> I live in the Northern Virginia area ourside DC, am an Instrument rated
>> Private Pilot (ASEL), and have a little over 500 hors total time - about
350
>> of which has come in last three years....
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | A Season of Giving - Please Support Your List! |
Dear Listers,
As my good friend Al Mojzisik from the RV-List forum has pointed out in
his humorous style this morning, its time for the Annual List Fund
Raiser! For those that are new to the Lists since last year, I'd like
to just mention what its all about. I have always run the List services
here completely free of charge to the members. This includes the Email
Lists, Archive Search Engine, as well as some of the other goodies found
on the servers. My policy has always been that I will never charge a
'fee' to sign up for any of the email Lists and I have also turned down
a number potentially lucrative of 'commercial' offers to provide
advertising space either on the various web pages or on in each of the
outgoing emails. I have always graciously declined these offers,
however, because I have felt that the friendly, homey feeling of the
commercial-free site was very appealing. I have also felt that offering
the services here for free is the best way to stimulate the greatest
membership, and in my opinion, this is the most important element in the
success of a forum such as this. So, once again, I will restate my
commitment to always keeping all of the services here on the Matronics
servers free to everyone.
That being said, I must also say that running this system is far from
free for me, however. I am continually trying to provide the best, most
reliable service possible and have continued to upgrade the systems as
necessary to maintain or improve the level of service I provide. Quite
aside from the "real costs" involved in the maintenance of a service
like this, however, is the time commitment necessary to keep everything
running and time required to produce new and improved software
enhancements to make the whole experience more enjoyable for everyone.
On the average I spend 10 to 20 hours a week handling subscription
requests and related problems, maintaining the existing computer code
base, and developing new utilities for the List community.
The whole List site (web server and email server) continue to run across
the 768kb/sec DSL-based Internet connection. Connections to the servers
have generally been pretty reliable and performance has been good. Up
time for the connection has approached the 99% mark.
If you regularly enjoy the services provided here, I would ask that you
make a Contribution in any amount in which you are comfortable. Your
Contribution will be used to directly support the continued operation
and improvement of all these services, and as always, I will turn your
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As I have done in the past, I will post a "Contributors List" at the end
of the Fund Raiser, personally acknowledging each and everyone that has
generously made a Contribution this year!
Finally, I just want to say *Thank You* to everyone that has supported
me and my operation here this year. Your support and encouragement
means a great deal to me and I feel like I have friends literally from
all around the world!
Sincerely,
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>--------------
>--> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik
>
>Well folks,
>
>I hate to spring this on you without much advance warning and all but it's
>November already. For you newer List members you may not know but this is
>the time of year we all give "thanks" for all that Matte Dralle has done
>for us with this RV-List. the customary way of saying "thanks" is with a
>voluntary donation of cash through Matte's own simple and safe contribution
>hot-line at:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>It's really rather painless and actually gives you a good warm and fuzzy
>feeling inside after you have made your contribution. Now last year I
>relied heavily on guilt to get some of you harder nuts to crack to ante
>up. This year I hope that in keeping with the election year theme I can
>learn something from the experts........"It's for the children."
>
>Yes your contribution will help children everywhere learn about the high
>moral values that are inherent in the RV family of aircraft. As our young
>charges surf the Internet for information on various things that we don't
>want them to know about, they may stumble across the Matronics Website and
>become aware of the RV-List and other interesting forums that Matte
>provides. This in turn may change there lives as they see what can be
>achieved through hard work and perseverance. They will learn how the polite
>exchange of idea's between consenting adults can result in the birth of one
>(or more) of the finest aircraft in existence today. They can become aware
>of a whole world out there that had previously been unknown or out of reach
>to them. So in the interest of our children, send your contribution to
>Matte to help the RV-List live long and prosper.............Darn, got my
>tongue caught in my cheek there for a moment.
>
>Once again, you can make your contribution through credit card at:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> c/o Matt Dralle
> Matronics
> P.O. Box 347
> Livermore, CA. 94551
>
>I would like to pledge at this time that I will not place any negative
>advertising in the hope of raising funds for RV-List support. (Unless you
>folks hold out too long, then look out!) Let's have a real clean campaign
>this November and get out the contributions! AL
>--------------
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser Continues... |
Hello Listers!
This is just a reminder that the Annual List Fund Raiser is currently
underway. Won't you make a Contribution today to support the continued
operation and upgrade of this valuable resource? Your Contribution can
be made via a Secure SSL Internet Transaction with your Visa or
MasterCard at the URL shown below or you may send it via US Mail to the
address also listed below.
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or
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P.O. Box 347
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Thank you for your support! Your generosity directly makes this List
possible.
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Email List Admin.
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | 2000 List Fund Raiser Underway... |
Hi Listers,
Just a quick reminder that the 2000 Email List Fund Raiser is underway
and participation so far as been good. If you haven't made your
contribution yet, won't you take a moment and make one today? The
continued operation and improvement of these services are directly
enabled by the generous contributions of its members.
You may make a contribution with either your Visa or Mastercard using
the Matronics SSL Secure website at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or with a personal check to:
c/o Matt Dralle
Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Thank you to all those that have already made a contribution!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Homebuilt-List: 2000 List Fund Raiser Underway... |
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Hi Listers,
Just a quick reminder that the 2000 Email List Fund Raiser is underway
and participation so far as been good. If you haven't made your
contribution yet, won't you take a moment and make one today? The
continued operation and improvement of these services are directly
enabled by the generous contributions of its members.
You may make a contribution with either your Visa or Mastercard using
the Matronics SSL Secure website at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or with a personal check to:
c/o Matt Dralle
Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Thank you to all those that have already made a contribution!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
--
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Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Zenith-List: 2000 List Fund Raiser Underway... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Hi Listers,
Just a quick reminder that the 2000 Email List Fund Raiser is underway
and participation so far as been good. If you haven't made your
contribution yet, won't you take a moment and make one today? The
continued operation and improvement of these services are directly
enabled by the generous contributions of its members.
You may make a contribution with either your Visa or Mastercard using
the Matronics SSL Secure website at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or with a personal check to:
c/o Matt Dralle
Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Thank you to all those that have already made a contribution!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
--
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Rocket-List: 2000 List Fund Raiser Underway... |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Hi Listers,
Just a quick reminder that the 2000 Email List Fund Raiser is underway
and participation so far as been good. If you haven't made your
contribution yet, won't you take a moment and make one today? The
continued operation and improvement of these services are directly
enabled by the generous contributions of its members.
You may make a contribution with either your Visa or Mastercard using
the Matronics SSL Secure website at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or with a personal check to:
c/o Matt Dralle
Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Thank you to all those that have already made a contribution!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | RV6-List: 2000 List Fund Raiser Underway... |
--> RV6-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Hi Listers,
Just a quick reminder that the 2000 Email List Fund Raiser is underway
and participation so far as been good. If you haven't made your
contribution yet, won't you take a moment and make one today? The
continued operation and improvement of these services are directly
enabled by the generous contributions of its members.
You may make a contribution with either your Visa or Mastercard using
the Matronics SSL Secure website at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or with a personal check to:
c/o Matt Dralle
Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Thank you to all those that have already made a contribution!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Huge Apology for "List Malfunction"... |
Dear Listers,
I am so embarrassed by the List-gone-crazy tonight! I'm not sure
exactly went wrong. I'm suspecting that someone with an email account
at msm.com may have been reposting my message from this morning over
and over again maliciously spamming the system, but I can't really
prove that.
In any case, I am hugely embarrassed and sorry for the ton of messages
that went out tonight regarding the 2000 Fund Raiser. Something went
wrong on the system or somebody did me wrong; in either case I
apologize for the huge dump of messages.
My sincerest apologies...
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charley Zurian <charleyz(at)pacificnet.net> |
Anyone out there familiar with Max Holste Broussards?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | New List MIME/HTML/Enclosure Filter Implemented... |
Dear Listers,
With the pervasiveness of email applications using HTML (web formatting)
and MIME encoding such as AOL 6.0, Netscape, Eudora and others it was
clear that I needed to come up with an improved method for limiting how
messages posted to the various Lists was handled.
As of today, November 13 2000 you should be able to configure your email
program any way you like - with or without special formatting - and your
message will still be accepted my the Matronics system. Also, if you
include any sort of enclosure data, your message will also still be
accepted instead of bounced back.
But wait, it gets even better! Everything except for the plain text
will be automatically stripped from the incoming post including any
HTML, MIME, and/or enclosure data prior to redistribution. This should
serve to both ease the configuration burden on the many users, and to
increase the readability of both the posted messages and the archives.
I had a few 'bugs' with the filter on Sunday and Monday morning, so if
you received a few messages that seemed "odd", than this was probably
why.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Ivey <jim(at)jimivey.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Yak-List: New List MIME/HTML/Enclosure Filter Implemented... |
Everything you need to know can be found at the following url:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution/
I just used the secure credit-card option. There is also a snail-mail
address for you old-fashioned types (i.e. back in the good old days when
folks wouldn't abscond with your credit card info) ;)
Jim Ivey
N46YK
Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> With the pervasiveness of email applications using HTML (web formatting)
> and MIME encoding such as AOL 6.0, Netscape, Eudora and others it was
> clear that I needed to come up with an improved method for limiting how
> messages posted to the various Lists was handled.
>
> As of today, November 13 2000 you should be able to configure your email
> program any way you like - with or without special formatting - and your
> message will still be accepted my the Matronics system. Also, if you
> include any sort of enclosure data, your message will also still be
> accepted instead of bounced back.
>
> But wait, it gets even better! Everything except for the plain text
> will be automatically stripped from the incoming post including any
> HTML, MIME, and/or enclosure data prior to redistribution. This should
> serve to both ease the configuration burden on the many users, and to
> increase the readability of both the posted messages and the archives.
>
> I had a few 'bugs' with the filter on Sunday and Monday morning, so if
> you received a few messages that seemed "odd", than this was probably
> why.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Admin.
>
> --
>
> Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> Great minds discuss ideas,
> Average minds discuss events,
> Small minds discuss people...
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List: What Listers Are Saying... |
Matt,
I think what you're doing is great for those of us flying and building Kolb
aircraft. You're probably saving Kolb a full time employee in tech support
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too. It would be great PR for the TN Kolb a/c. Thanks a bunch, Matt!
Ken Broste
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| From: | Elbie(at)aol.com (by way of Matt Dralle 925-606-1001 <dralle(at)matronics.com>) |
2/9/2001
Fellow Pilots and Builders:
EM aviation is pleased to announce that the RiteAngle III Angle of
Attack system is in production. I know this has been a long, long wait for
some of you, however I will not sell a system that is not up to my standards.
The long delay was partially caused by the total new design required
after the RiteAngle 2000 system was terminated. The remainder of the delay
was insuring the system met all our requirements such as both hot and cold
environment testing. The first production group of systems off the line
are being again extensively tested for approximately 2 weeks before we
deliver any systems to insure there are no "bugs" appearing.
When all production testing is accomplished I will ship according to who
has sent in the order form via fax or US mail. (Again, DO NOT send your
credit card number via e-mail! I DO NOT have a secure e-mail line.)
If you want a spot in line for early delivery you can request this via
e-mail, and mail your check or CC number.
At present time I estimate 4- 10 weeks before your delivery, depending on
when I receive your payment.
To those of you who have been in correspondence with me for the last year,
thanks for your belief in EM aviation's product, and soon you will have a
product in your hands. I honor my correspondence of the quoted price.
Current price $295 + mount & options see web site for information.
www.riteangle.com
Elbie Mendenhall
President
EM Aviation, LLC
P NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie WA 98606
360-260-0772
www.riteangle.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is there anybody out there? |
At 03:16 PM 5/28/2001, you wrote:
>How do y'all feel about the P51 vs. other types of fighter planes?
They are overrated and too expensive. The Yak-9 performs right with it
down low and I don't plan on flying much above 15,000 anyway.
I have a Nanchang CJ6A under restoration and one flying. It outperforms
the T-34 and SNJ/T-6 but I can afford it.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.1113 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is there anybody out there? |
Hey Brian,
How ya doin? Beck loves his RV-4!
I am going to check out in the P-51C this summer, so you watch your words
about the Mustang!! ;-)
How are things out west? I was at Fresno in the B-25 for the Raiders
Reunion, Great Mission.
Take care out there on the Left coast
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com/dougr
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is there anybody out there? |
At 10:08 AM 5/29/2001, you wrote:
>
>Hey Brian,
>
>How ya doin? Beck loves his RV-4!
I am glad. I would hate to think that he felt he got a bad deal.
>I am going to check out in the P-51C this summer, so you watch your words
>about the Mustang!! ;-)
I would love to see a good hassle between a P-51 and the Yak-9 below
15,000'. My father says that when he used to go out and hassle the Air
Force guys with their P-51's, while flying the F8F Bearcat, he would almost
always win if he could keep the fight below 20,000'. Above that the P-51
kicked-ass.
>How are things out west? I was at Fresno in the B-25 for the Raiders
>Reunion, Great Mission.
I should have known. I was at work in the bay area and seriously
considering playing hooky to try to join up with you guys with the CJ. I
thought about staying on the inside of your turn over the Golden Gate if I
could time it right. As you recall, you have to fly the B-25 way-slow to
let the CJ formation keep up. Maybe my new CJ with the big engine ...
BTW, that project is coming along nicely. Randy Thorne, who used to work
for Brian and Dennis Sanders, is doing the work and doing a really nice
job. They have replaced any skins that were damaged (hangar rash mostly
but one hole) and done a first-class cosmetic job in the wheel wells and
cockpit. They are going to be looking for smaller restoration and
maintenance jobs once they get done with my CJ6A. Their sheet metal work
is flawless.
Since we were doing skins anyway I have installed two 18 gallon aux tanks
in the inboard wing sections. That ups my fuel capacity from 42 gallons to
78 gallons. That will reduce the pucker factor for cross country
flights. I used to regularly land with only 30-40 minutes of fuel left and
that was always too uncomfortable.
My target empty weight will be 1900 lbs so the 360 hp M14P engine with the
250cm three-blade MT prop should give me something close to 3000 fpm
sea-level rate of climb. I should be able to give the T-34 and SNJ jocks a
real run for their money now.
>Take care out there on the Left coast
I will try. Keep in touch. I am hoping to get by Whapeton, ND, to visit
Jerry on the way to/from OSH (if I can get away from work). Maybe we can
get together?
>Tailwinds,
>Doug Rozendaal
>dougr(at)petroblend.com
>www.petroblend.com/dougr
BTW, should I be buying oil from you?
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.1113 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| From: | ULflyer86(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/28/01 |
what! No Corsair or P-38 lovers here?
Anyone on the list get into racing?
~Eric
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| From: | "K.Janet Asbell" <kj(at)wworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/28/01 |
Look in the "CORSAIR82.com" search!I think this is a correct address,
Bill Retired USN F-9FCougar,F-8U Crusader,and RA-5C Vigilante driver
ULflyer86(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> what! No Corsair or P-38 lovers here?
> Anyone on the list get into racing?
> ~Eric
>
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| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/28/01 |
I like the Corsair, I fly one for a friend in No Dakota. A really sweet
flying machine, but I am not a racer
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com\dougr
----- Original Message -----
From: <ULflyer86(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:24 PM
Subject: Warbird-List: Re: Warbird-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/28/01
>
> what! No Corsair or P-38 lovers here?
> Anyone on the list get into racing?
> ~Eric
>
>
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| From: | Paul Humphries <paul.humphries1(at)virgin.net> |
| Subject: | Lancaster bombers |
I had a Lancaster bomber come over my home yesterday and was surprised
how noisy the 4 Rolls Royce Merlin engines weres. I can hardly imagaine
what the 1000 bomber raids must has sounded like.
Paul Humphries,
Stoke-on-trent,
Staffs.,
UK.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Quality Video Service <BTSteve(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lancaster bombers |
Always loved the purring sounds of the Merlin. Times 4 is awesome.
We had a Lancaster here at Wings Over Houston several years back and got to tour
the cockpit. ;-)
Paul Humphries wrote:
> I had a Lancaster bomber come over my home yesterday and was surprised
> how noisy the 4 Rolls Royce Merlin engines weres. I can hardly imagaine
> what the 1000 bomber raids must has sounded like.
>
> Paul Humphries,
> Stoke-on-trent,
> Staffs.,
> UK.
>
--
Steve Rumel
Quality Video Service 7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
Other life ;-)
Col Steve Rumel, CAF
Crew Chief, BT-13A
Safety Officer, 2001
West Houston Squadron
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skeeve(at)excellentproducts.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lancaster bombers |
>
>I had a Lancaster bomber come over my home yesterday and was surprised
>how noisy the 4 Rolls Royce Merlin engines weres. I can hardly imagaine
>what the 1000 bomber raids must has sounded like.
>
>Paul Humphries,
>Stoke-on-trent,
>Staffs.,
>UK.
Got to like seeing and hearing the old bombers flying.. been known to go
running out of the house a time or two myself to peer into the sky... :) We
have a converted Liberator slurry bomber that flys out of a nearby
airport... it sounds good too!
:)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Quality Video Service <BTSteve(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lancaster bombers |
Heard about the 2 accidents at the show over there a couple of weeks ago.
What a shame.
We have a P-63 Kingcobra in our hangar in Houston, Texas.
That has a nice to it too with the Allison.
I'm kind of partial to the sound of a P&W R-985 with the prop at climb pitch.
But then I'm Crew Chief for a BT-13!
skeeve(at)excellentproducts.com wrote:
> >I had a Lancaster bomber come over my home yesterday and was surprised
> >how noisy the 4 Rolls Royce Merlin engines weres. I can hardly imagaine
> >what the 1000 bomber raids must has sounded like.
> >
> >Paul Humphries,
> >Stoke-on-trent,
> >Staffs.,
> >UK.
>
> Got to like seeing and hearing the old bombers flying.. been known to go
> running out of the house a time or two myself to peer into the sky... :) We
> have a converted Liberator slurry bomber that flys out of a nearby
> airport... it sounds good too!
>
> :)
>
>
Steve Rumel
Quality Video Service 7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
Other life ;-)
Col Steve Rumel, CAF
Crew Chief, BT-13A
Safety Officer, 2001
West Houston Squadron
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lancaster bombers |
At 01:10 PM 6/11/2001, you wrote:
>
>Always loved the purring sounds of the Merlin.
Radials rumble. Merlins have what sounds to me like a sharp
crackle. Allisons have a warmer "purring" sound to me. Maybe it has to do
with stack length or perhaps exhaust valve timing and/or lift.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.1113 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lancaster bombers |
At 01:38 PM 6/11/2001, you wrote:
>
>I'm kind of partial to the sound of a P&W R-985 with the prop at climb pitch.
>But then I'm Crew Chief for a BT-13!
Re, the BT-13: you would think that, for all that noise and shaking, the
airplane would actually do something. :
)
My dad has one or two BT-13 stories from his kay-det days in 1942. I guess
the BT-13 was something of a rite of passage ... including the time it
passed through the fence at the end of the runway after the brakes
failed. He says they got him out and ran him over to another one that was
already running and had him take off again, maybe three minutes after
wrecking the first one. I guess they didn't want to let him think about
what had just happened to him. It must have worked, he is still flying
fifty-nine years and 20,000 hours later.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.1113 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Quality Video Service <BTSteve(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lancaster bombers |
Brian,
Would your Dad think about putting his experiences in writing?
We in the CAF think that preserving history is very important.
Even sitting him down in front of a camcorder on a tripod and asking him about
his
training times would be really neat!
We are planning to build a small museum here in Houston soon and that would be
a
real contribution! Our Squadron has all trainers. "From civilian to combat pilot,
America trains for war" is our "motto".
We have an N3N, Stearman, BT-13A, AT-6A, SNJ, and a Stinson S-108-1 as well as
a
Bell Kingcobra in our hangar.
Here's the link to our website: West Houston Squadron of the CAF
www.westhoustonsqdn.org
Take care.....
>
> >I'm kind of partial to the sound of a P&W R-985 with the prop at climb pitch.
> >But then I'm Crew Chief for a BT-13!
>
> Re, the BT-13: you would think that, for all that noise and shaking, the
> airplane would actually do something. :
)
>
> My dad has one or two BT-13 stories from his kay-det days in 1942. I guess
> the BT-13 was something of a rite of passage ... including the time it
> passed through the fence at the end of the runway after the brakes
> failed. He says they got him out and ran him over to another one that was
> already running and had him take off again, maybe three minutes after
> wrecking the first one. I guess they didn't want to let him think about
> what had just happened to him. It must have worked, he is still flying
> fifty-nine years and 20,000 hours later.
>
> Brian Lloyd
> brian(at)lloyd.com
> +1.530.676.1113 - voice
> +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>
--
Steve Rumel
Quality Video Service 7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
Other life ;-)
Col Steve Rumel, CAF
Crew Chief, BT-13A
Safety Officer, 2001
West Houston Squadron
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lancaster bombers |
----- Original Message -----
From: <skeeve(at)excellentproducts.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Lancaster bombers
> Got to like seeing and hearing the old bombers flying.. been known to go
> running out of the house a time or two myself to peer into the sky... :)
We
> have a converted Liberator slurry bomber that flys out of a nearby
> airport... it sounds good too!
>
That Fire Bomber is a PB4Y from Hawkins & Powers of Greybull Wy. They all
have been converted with B-25 engines. But since the topic is sound........
We were out at Fresno for the 59th Doolittle Raiders Reunion with our B-25,
"Miss Mitchell."
There were 12 -25s there and on Friday we took off to fly up over the
Doolittle estate and the Hornet at Oakland.
When we got to the coast, there was a low fog on the shore so we flew at
about 1000 agl, above the clouds, up the coast. 12 B-25s, less than a mile
from first to last. Imagine the thoughts of a WWII veteran sitting on the
front porch in the fog when that went over!
Makes my hair stand up just to think about it.....
I wish I could have heard it.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com/dougr
PS Of course, flying it was pretty cool too.... ;-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Old Navy pilot stories |
At 03:12 PM 6/11/2001, you wrote:
>
>Brian,
>Would your Dad think about putting his experiences in writing?
I have been trying to get him to do so.
He has some great ones, e.g.:
The BT-13 through the fence story;
Having a cylinder in his SBD shot away by AA fire and then flying 100nm
back to the carrier;
A one-on-one duel between him in an F6F and a Japanese AA gun crew when he
was flying AA suppression on a mission to take out a Japanese airfield;
Flying an SNJ through Hangar-1 at Moffett Field (he said this one came
under the heading of "really stupid things to do that can kill you");
Flying a Banjo to 65,000' (no pressure suit and a cockpit pressure altitude
of about 25,000' with the pressurization working) and having the speed
brakes freeze closed when he was tucked way to far into "coffin corner" (he
says that this leads the list of "really stupid things to do that can kill
you");
Taking a flight of four F8Fs, looping the Golden Gate Bridge, and managing
to cover their collective a--es so that they wouldn't get court-martialed.
("No sir, it couldn't have been us. We were doing FCLPs at Crows
Landing. Just check the tower logs.")
Doing gunnery training in an F9F without a gunsight;
Checking out in the early jets, i.e. "here's the manual, there's the
airplane, go fly it;"
And many more all-time favorites. I guess when you are young and have just
survived a war (he said that something like only 5% of his particular cadet
class survived the war), you must think you are invulnerable. His days at
Moffett right after the war sound seriously crazy. Seems to me that they
had too many airplanes, too much fuel, and too little structured
activity. I notice that the end of the really stupid stuff corresponds
with when he met and married my mother. :
)
You know, I think I will get that camera and start recording.
>We are planning to build a small museum here in Houston soon and that
>would be a real contribution! Our Squadron has all trainers.
Are you sure? It might scare someone. :
)
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.1113 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
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| From: | "J. Forster" <jfor(at)onemain.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
Arevthere ever any posts to this list, other than the guidelines? I have not seen
a single one.
-J
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
Thread-Topic: Warbird-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting]
Thread-Index: AcEbHMpDchT+g2kMSVGUBqkAq4IIaAATL2kA
| From: | "Todd Wenzel" <TWenzel(at)hsdinc.com> |
I don't think so - I've been waiting for something also! :(
Todd Wenzel
-----Original Message-----
From: J. Forster [mailto:jfor(at)onemain.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read]
[Monthly Posting]
Arevthere ever any posts to this list, other than the guidelines? I have
not seen
a single one.
-J
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ULflyer86(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/01/01 |
Every once in awhile but VERY rarely...
~Eric
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Trying to get something going here... |
Thread-Topic: Warbird-List: Re: Warbird-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/01/01
Thread-Index: AcEbfPBzD8pae25HThWaHPGhMQ5p7gAALNCg
| From: | "Todd Wenzel" <TWenzel(at)hsdinc.com> |
Ok, I'll get something going on this list. Since I'm the "first" It'll
focus on me.
I'm a longtime lover of Warbirds and have been flying for about 3 years
now (despite my late thirty-something age). My goals seem to change
depending on what Warbird I'm standing in front of (I was schizoid at
Oshkosh!). Anyway at this point I'm leaning towards a T-6/SNJ or a
Stearman since they can be priced in a range that I might be able to
afford sometime before I die. In the mean time, I'm building an RV-8A
since I want a fun, Warbird-like plane, but cannot afford to buy a real
one at this point. I live in the Milwaukee, WI area - here comes my
pitch: If ANYONE has a Warbird (I don't care what type) and they need
some enthusiastic ballast in the back or front seat I would LOVE to
trade rides for elbow grease and fuel. I was fortunate to be involved
with a wonderful Sea Fury at last year's Reno Air Races and I learned
well how to polish and tape up control surface gaps and blind rivets :)
I'm also very interested in pursuing aerobatics and formation flying.
So, I am SERIOUS about my offer - If you've got a Warbird and an empty
seat, PLEASE contact me - I'll be there!!!
I think that's enough gravelling for now...BTW, what's the deal with the
right-hand turns at OSH when demonstrating Reno races? I just love a
t-shirt I saw at Reno last year, it read: "Fly Fast, Fly Low, Turn Left"
- that's all you need to know at RENO ;)
Todd Wenzel (looking for Warbird camaraderie)
RV-8AQB, Wings
Delafield, WI
twenzel(at)hsdinc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trying to get something going here... |
At 11:37 AM 8/2/2001, you wrote:
>
>Ok, I'll get something going on this list. Since I'm the "first" It'll
>focus on me.
>
>I'm a longtime lover of Warbirds and have been flying for about 3 years
>now (despite my late thirty-something age). My goals seem to change
>depending on what Warbird I'm standing in front of (I was schizoid at
>Oshkosh!). Anyway at this point I'm leaning towards a T-6/SNJ or a
>Stearman since they can be priced in a range that I might be able to
>afford sometime before I die.
Have you considered a Yak-52 or a CJ6A? Acquisition cost of a CJ6A is a
bit higher than your RV-8 but the Yak-52 is about the same. Both give you
that radial rush. My CJ6A burns mogas thus making the hourly operating
cost about the same as for my RV-4. I have seen good Yak-52s available for
$40K with good CJ6As in basic configuration for $60K-$80K. I have my
currently flying CJ6A for sale for $105K but it is full IFR both front and
rear and has many options and mods.
>one at this point. I live in the Milwaukee, WI area - here comes my
>pitch: If ANYONE has a Warbird (I don't care what type) and they need
>some enthusiastic ballast in the back or front seat I would LOVE to
>trade rides for elbow grease and fuel. I was fortunate to be involved
>with a wonderful Sea Fury at last year's Reno Air Races and I learned
>well how to polish and tape up control surface gaps and blind rivets :)
>I'm also very interested in pursuing aerobatics and formation flying.
>So, I am SERIOUS about my offer - If you've got a Warbird and an empty
>seat, PLEASE contact me - I'll be there!!!
Well, I am out in California so I can't help you there but if you post a
request to the yak-list(at)matronics.com, I bet someone would invite you out
for a hop.
>I think that's enough gravelling for now...BTW, what's the deal with the
>right-hand turns at OSH when demonstrating Reno races? I just love a
>t-shirt I saw at Reno last year, it read: "Fly Fast, Fly Low, Turn Left"
>- that's all you need to know at RENO ;)
It is just the way they have the traffic flow set up at OSH.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.1113 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trying to get something going here... |
Left hand turns would have the energy of the turn pointed at the crowd, a
big airshow NO NO. by running right hand pattern the turn towards the
showline is south of the spectator area. If you are in the camping area
and the wings come off a racer, I guess then it just wasnt your day.....
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com/dougr
>
>
SNIP...BTW, what's the deal with the
> right-hand turns at OSH when demonstrating Reno races? I just love a
> t-shirt I saw at Reno last year, it read: "Fly Fast, Fly Low, Turn Left"
> - that's all you need to know at RENO ;)
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Trying to get something going here... |
Thread-Topic: Warbird-List: Trying to get something going here...
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| From: | "Todd Wenzel" <TWenzel(at)hsdinc.com> |
Yep, you're right on that point - sounds logical and simple now. I also
remember this being a concern at Reno where I'm sure there has been a
few close calls. I believe someone mentioned 2 years ago a plane came
apart just after finishing the left turn in front on the crowd. The
pilot didn't make it but the debris missed the stands.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Rozendaal [mailto:dougr(at)petroblend.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Trying to get something going here...
Left hand turns would have the energy of the turn pointed at the crowd,
a
big airshow NO NO. by running right hand pattern the turn towards the
showline is south of the spectator area. If you are in the camping area
and the wings come off a racer, I guess then it just wasnt your day.....
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com/dougr
>
>
SNIP...BTW, what's the deal with the
> right-hand turns at OSH when demonstrating Reno races? I just love a
> t-shirt I saw at Reno last year, it read: "Fly Fast, Fly Low, Turn
Left"
> - that's all you need to know at RENO ;)
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Trying to get something going here... |
Thread-Topic: Warbird-List: Trying to get something going here...
Thread-Index: AcEbrQxmMsTuwkShRSSlagpjsOWdUQAAt0PA
| From: | "Todd Wenzel" <TWenzel(at)hsdinc.com> |
Good ideas Brian,
I've got a friend I met and worked with out in Reno last year who owns a
Yak. He is in the Phoenix area, but unfortunately he was doing some
repairs at the time I visited and couldn't get it in the air. Pardon my
ignorance, but what is a CJ6A - Is that a Czechoslovakian trainer? I
guess the biggest "problem" I have with Soviet planes is they're not
American. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they are great planes. It's just
that I was brought up watching the cool American Warbirds and have a
real sense of patriotism and nostalgia towards them. I am in no way
trying to diminish these planes, or your beautiful - it's just me.
However, I will certainly go for any rides offered in them! :)
Todd
[snip]
Have you considered a Yak-52 or a CJ6A? Acquisition cost of a CJ6A is a
bit higher than your RV-8 but the Yak-52 is about the same. Both give
you
that radial rush. My CJ6A burns mogas thus making the hourly operating
cost about the same as for my RV-4. I have seen good Yak-52s available
for
$40K with good CJ6As in basic configuration for $60K-$80K. I have my
currently flying CJ6A for sale for $105K but it is full IFR both front
and
rear and has many options and mods.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Nafsinger" <rvator(at)nafsinger.com> |
| Subject: | Trying to get something going here... |
The plane in question was "Miss Ashley II". I was standing out on the
tarmac (crew badges are wonderful things) and watched it happen.... The
airplane came apart about 1/3 of the way into turn 1, most of the debris
came down in the desert... however the engine ended up next to a house
SEVERAL miles away. A very ominous day.... I have seen several people lost
in aircraft accidents, something I will never ever forget. The ONLY comfort
is that they all died doing exactly what they loved.
Nick Nafsinger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-warbird-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-warbird-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Todd Wenzel
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: Warbird-List: Trying to get something going here...
Yep, you're right on that point - sounds logical and simple now. I also
remember this being a concern at Reno where I'm sure there has been a
few close calls. I believe someone mentioned 2 years ago a plane came
apart just after finishing the left turn in front on the crowd. The
pilot didn't make it but the debris missed the stands.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Rozendaal [mailto:dougr(at)petroblend.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: Trying to get something going here...
Left hand turns would have the energy of the turn pointed at the crowd,
a
big airshow NO NO. by running right hand pattern the turn towards the
showline is south of the spectator area. If you are in the camping area
and the wings come off a racer, I guess then it just wasnt your day.....
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com/dougr
>
>
SNIP...BTW, what's the deal with the
> right-hand turns at OSH when demonstrating Reno races? I just love a
> t-shirt I saw at Reno last year, it read: "Fly Fast, Fly Low, Turn
Left"
> - that's all you need to know at RENO ;)
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trying to get something going here... |
At 05:07 PM 8/2/2001, you wrote:
>
>Left hand turns would have the energy of the turn pointed at the crowd, a
>big airshow NO NO. by running right hand pattern the turn towards the
>showline is south of the spectator area. If you are in the camping area
>and the wings come off a racer, I guess then it just wasnt your day.....
The kicker at OSH is runway 9/27 that acts as a "brick wall" for traffic on
18/36. They have to be turning up near the north end of 18/36 so, yeah,
they would have to be coming down hill toward the crowd if they were making
left turns at the north end of the racetrack.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.1113 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
| Subject: | Trying to get something going here... |
At 05:17 PM 8/2/2001, you wrote:
>
>Good ideas Brian,
>I've got a friend I met and worked with out in Reno last year who owns a
>Yak. He is in the Phoenix area, but unfortunately he was doing some
>repairs at the time I visited and couldn't get it in the air. Pardon my
>ignorance, but what is a CJ6A - Is that a Czechoslovakian trainer?
It is a Chinese Air Force trainer. Essentially it is a Chinese T-34 with a
285 hp radial engine. IMHO it is one of the most cost-effective entries to
the warbird world there is. Doug Rozendaal has
flown mine as well as the T-6, T-34, F4U, B-25, etc., and can comment
authoritatively. It also has the advantage that it is still in current
production so parts are no problem.
>I
>guess the biggest "problem" I have with Soviet planes is they're not
>American. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they are great planes. It's just
>that I was brought up watching the cool American Warbirds and have a
>real sense of patriotism and nostalgia towards them. I am in no way
>trying to diminish these planes, or your beautiful - it's just me.
>However, I will certainly go for any rides offered in them! :)
This is something I have been thinking about for some time now. IMHO,
airplanes have no nationality. They are beautiful creations of the minds
of people and remain beautiful regardless of where they were built. If the
Red and yellow star-and-bar of the People's Army Air Force bothers you, do
what I did. I painted mine in WW-II USAAF colors. It has been mistaken
for a P-51 by those who didn't look too closely. (See
http://www.matronics.com/yak-18 for pictures of my CJ6A.)
We were lucky to have discovered the designer of the CJ6A, Cheng Bushi,
still alive in China. He designed the CJ6A when he was 27 and is now
72. We paid his way to Oshkosh as a way to learn more about the airplane
and to say "thank you" for such a nice, clean, honest airplane design. The
control feel and handling characteristics are absolutely classical (except
for having to push on the left rudder on take-off). It was a rush to sit
with him over dinner and discuss the effects of CG position and polar
moments of inertia on the spin and handling characteristics of the
airplane. Politics and nationalism never came up, just a bunch of guys who
looked different talking about airplanes.
Remember, the US doesn't have a lock on building outstanding airplanes. If
you cut yourself off from Eastern Bloc and Chinese aircraft out of your
sense of patriotism, you cut yourself off from some truly great
aircraft. I guarantee that our best pilots have always done what they
could to get a chance to fly "the other side's" airplanes. You don't have
to agree with their politics in order to appreciate their engineering.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.1113 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Trying to get something going here... |
Thread-Topic: Warbird-List: Trying to get something going here...
Thread-Index: AcEcUKGOmrPdiERsSdK5xavRml7hTAAARdSg
| From: | "Todd Wenzel" <TWenzel(at)hsdinc.com> |
Thanks for the insight Brian. I guess I've been a little to "brain
washed" about the American Warbirds. Your CJ6A looks like a wonderful
bird and I can see why you speak so highly of it. What does a CJ of your
caliber cost these days? Where does one look for a CJ? Are you limited
to a flying area or can you go where you want, when you want? The reason
I ask is the fellow I know with the YAK is limited to where he can fly
unless he get special permission from the local FSDO (i think FSDO)
because of the category the YAK is registered in - some variation of
"experimental" I think. It must have been an incredible experience
talking with the designer - a once in a lifetime treat. Out of
curiosity, why left rudder? Does the engine spin the "wrong" way? I'll
certainly NEVER turn down a change to experience other Warbirds, and
planes in general - regardless of their country of origin. BTW, the
website is http://www.matronics.com/yak18 without the "-". Did I mention
how beautiful your planes looks...
Todd Wenzel (drooling over CJ6A's now...)
RV-8AQB, Wings
twenzel(at)hsdinc.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian(at)lloyd.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Warbird-List: Trying to get something going here...
At 05:17 PM 8/2/2001, you wrote:
>
>Good ideas Brian,
>I've got a friend I met and worked with out in Reno last year who owns
a
>Yak. He is in the Phoenix area, but unfortunately he was doing some
>repairs at the time I visited and couldn't get it in the air. Pardon my
>ignorance, but what is a CJ6A - Is that a Czechoslovakian trainer?
It is a Chinese Air Force trainer. Essentially it is a Chinese T-34
with a
285 hp radial engine. IMHO it is one of the most cost-effective entries
to
the warbird world there is. Doug Rozendaal has
flown mine as well as the T-6, T-34, F4U, B-25, etc., and can comment
authoritatively. It also has the advantage that it is still in current
production so parts are no problem.
>I
>guess the biggest "problem" I have with Soviet planes is they're not
>American. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they are great planes. It's just
>that I was brought up watching the cool American Warbirds and have a
>real sense of patriotism and nostalgia towards them. I am in no way
>trying to diminish these planes, or your beautiful - it's just me.
>However, I will certainly go for any rides offered in them! :)
This is something I have been thinking about for some time now. IMHO,
airplanes have no nationality. They are beautiful creations of the
minds
of people and remain beautiful regardless of where they were built. If
the
Red and yellow star-and-bar of the People's Army Air Force bothers you,
do
what I did. I painted mine in WW-II USAAF colors. It has been mistaken
for a P-51 by those who didn't look too closely. (See
http://www.matronics.com/yak-18 for pictures of my CJ6A.)
We were lucky to have discovered the designer of the CJ6A, Cheng Bushi,
still alive in China. He designed the CJ6A when he was 27 and is now
72. We paid his way to Oshkosh as a way to learn more about the
airplane
and to say "thank you" for such a nice, clean, honest airplane design.
The
control feel and handling characteristics are absolutely classical
(except
for having to push on the left rudder on take-off). It was a rush to
sit
with him over dinner and discuss the effects of CG position and polar
moments of inertia on the spin and handling characteristics of the
airplane. Politics and nationalism never came up, just a bunch of guys
who
looked different talking about airplanes.
Remember, the US doesn't have a lock on building outstanding airplanes.
If
you cut yourself off from Eastern Bloc and Chinese aircraft out of your
sense of patriotism, you cut yourself off from some truly great
aircraft. I guarantee that our best pilots have always done what they
could to get a chance to fly "the other side's" airplanes. You don't
have
to agree with their politics in order to appreciate their engineering.
Brian Lloyd
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.530.676.1113 - voice
+1.360.838.9669 - fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> |
> >
> > Thanks for the insight Brian. I guess I've been a little to "brain
> > washed" about the American Warbirds. Your CJ6A looks like a wonderful
> > bird and I can see why you speak so highly of it. What does a CJ of your
> > caliber cost these days?
>
> It depends on how you want it configured. For a good one in stock Chinese
> paint with basic VFR radios (comm + xpdr) figure about $70,000, plus or
> minus.
>
> My flying one, the one in the web spread, the one we call "Betty"
> because of the nose art, is for sale for $105,000. It has just about
> everything you can do with a stock one. It was a low-time airframe,
> zero-time engine when I got it then I added the US glass, alternator, full
> IFR avionics (both front and back), baggage compartment, lights and
> strobes, and a 1st-class paint job.
>
> The big-ticket mods are to change out the 285 hp Chinese engine for the
> 360 hp or 400 hp Russian M-14P engine, and in-wing aux fuel tanks.
> Beyond that there isn't much more you can do.
>
> I have a second one that is getting a total ground-up restoration. It
> will have the M-14P, 3-bladed MT prop, in-wing aux tanks (for 78 gal of
> fuel), new instrument panels, and a new electrical system. I hope it will
> be a show winner as well as a fire breather.
>
> > Where does one look for a CJ?
>
> There are several outfits bringing them in. Check out the following:
>
> http://www.aircraftsales.com/
> http://www.yakity.com/
>
> Also there are some folks out in Monterey, CA who have brought some in.
> My first came from Yakity Yaks. My second came from Monterey.
>
> > Are you limited to a flying area or can you go where you want, when
> > you want? The reason I ask is the fellow I know with the YAK is
> > limited to where he can fly unless he get special permission from the
> > local FSDO (i think FSDO) because of the category the YAK is
> > registered in - some variation of "experimental" I think.
>
> The aircraft is registered in the Experiments, Exhibition category. There
> are some limitations and a distance limitation that really aren't
> limiting. For instance, all flights must be for one of the following
> four pursposes:
>
> training
> exhibition
> proficiency
> maintenance
>
> Did I mention I get a *LOT* of training and proficiency flying? Also, I
> am limited to 300 nm from my home base unless I have the destination in my
> annual program letter or I send the FSDO a fax. The fax is just to tell
> the FSDO where I am going, not to ask permission. I don't need to ask
> permission.
>
> So as you can see, I am not very limited in what I can do and where I can
> go.
>
> > It must have been an incredible experience
> > talking with the designer - a once in a lifetime treat. Out of
> > curiosity, why left rudder? Does the engine spin the "wrong" way?
>
> It must be turning the right way because the airplane flies forward. All
> kidding aside, yes, the engine direction of rotation is opposite of that
> US "standard" aircraft. I don't even notice anymore as I just step on
> whichever rudder pedal keeps the airplane I am flying in the proper
> direction.
>
> > I'll
> > certainly NEVER turn down a change to experience other Warbirds, and
> > planes in general - regardless of their country of origin. BTW, the
> > website is http://www.matronics.com/yak18 without the "-". Did I mention
> > how beautiful your planes looks...
>
> Oops. Sorry about the error in the URL. Check out
> http://www.yakpilots.org too.
>
> Thanks. I really, really like mine. When my wife stood there with her
> hands on her hips, scowling, looking at the CJ6A and the RV-4, she said,
> "two-place, tandem, aerobatic ... pick one." I ended up selling the RV-4
> and keeping the CJ6A. It isn't as fast nor does it climb quite as well,
> nor does it roll as quickly as the RV-4, but it just 'feels' better to me.
> I cannot praise its handling characteristics highly enough.
>
> > Todd Wenzel (drooling over CJ6A's now...)
>
> Hey, it happens. It is a real, affordable warbird.
>
> > RV-8AQB, Wings
> > twenzel(at)hsdinc.com
>
> Brian Lloyd
> brian(at)lloyd.com
> +1.530.676.1113 - voice
> +1.360.838.9669 - fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Quality Video Service <BTSteve(at)ev1.net> |
Hello Warbird folks!
I have created a site for BT-13 folks.
It's a Yahoo club, but if you sign up properly, it's almost like having
our own list server!
This site is dedicated to BT-13 owners, pilots and restoration folks as
well as folks just plain interested in BT-13's!
or, http://yahoo.com/clubs/vulteevaliant.
Please check it out and join!
When you join, you must have or get or a Yahoo ID (which isn't hard to
get & you don't have to give a bunch of info)
But be sure, in the process of signing up, you select "individual
e-mail" as that will send any messages posted to the club directly to
you. That way we all the messages ASAP.
Thanks for checking it out and looking forward to seeing you there.
--
Steve Rumel
Quality Video Service 7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
Other life :-)
Col Steve Rumel, CAF
Crew Chief, BT-13A
Safety Officer, 2001
West Houston Squadron
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
Tried it! Doesn't work!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Quality Video Service" <BTSteve(at)ev1.net>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:07 PM
Subject: Warbird-List: BT-13 Site!
Hello Warbird folks!
I have created a site for BT-13 folks.
It's a Yahoo club, but if you sign up properly, it's almost like having
our own list server!
This site is dedicated to BT-13 owners, pilots and restoration folks as
well as folks just plain interested in BT-13's!
or, http://yahoo.com/clubs/vulteevaliant.
Please check it out and join!
When you join, you must have or get or a Yahoo ID (which isn't hard to
get & you don't have to give a bunch of info)
But be sure, in the process of signing up, you select "individual
e-mail" as that will send any messages posted to the club directly to
you. That way we all the messages ASAP.
Thanks for checking it out and looking forward to seeing you there.
--
Steve Rumel
Quality Video Service 7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
Other life :-)
Col Steve Rumel, CAF
Crew Chief, BT-13A
Safety Officer, 2001
West Houston Squadron
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Quality Video Service <BTSteve(at)ev1.net> |
Sorry folks....
the correct address is:
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/vulteevaliant
Cy Galley wrote:
>
> Tried it! Doesn't work!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Quality Video Service" <BTSteve(at)ev1.net>
> To: "Warbird List"
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:07 PM
> Subject: Warbird-List: BT-13 Site!
>
>
> Hello Warbird folks!
> I have created a site for BT-13 folks.
> It's a Yahoo club, but if you sign up properly, it's almost like having
> our own list server!
> This site is dedicated to BT-13 owners, pilots and restoration folks as
> well as folks just plain interested in BT-13's!
> or, http://yahoo.com/clubs/vulteevaliant.
> Please check it out and join!
> When you join, you must have or get or a Yahoo ID (which isn't hard to
> get & you don't have to give a bunch of info)
> But be sure, in the process of signing up, you select "individual
> e-mail" as that will send any messages posted to the club directly to
> you. That way we all the messages ASAP.
> Thanks for checking it out and looking forward to seeing you there.
> --
> Steve Rumel
> Quality Video Service 7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
> 713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
> Other life :-)
> Col Steve Rumel, CAF
> Crew Chief, BT-13A
> Safety Officer, 2001
> West Houston Squadron
>
--
Steve Rumel
Quality Video Service 7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
Other life :-)
Col Steve Rumel, CAF
Crew Chief, BT-13A
Safety Officer, 2001
West Houston Squadron
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
Still doesn't work!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Quality Video Service" <BTSteve(at)ev1.net>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: BT-13 Site!
Sorry folks....
the correct address is:
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/vulteevaliant
Cy Galley wrote:
>
> Tried it! Doesn't work!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Quality Video Service" <BTSteve(at)ev1.net>
> To: "Warbird List"
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:07 PM
> Subject: Warbird-List: BT-13 Site!
>
>
> Hello Warbird folks!
> I have created a site for BT-13 folks.
> It's a Yahoo club, but if you sign up properly, it's almost like having
> our own list server!
> This site is dedicated to BT-13 owners, pilots and restoration folks as
> well as folks just plain interested in BT-13's!
> or, http://yahoo.com/clubs/vulteevaliant.
> Please check it out and join!
> When you join, you must have or get or a Yahoo ID (which isn't hard to
> get & you don't have to give a bunch of info)
> But be sure, in the process of signing up, you select "individual
> e-mail" as that will send any messages posted to the club directly to
> you. That way we all the messages ASAP.
> Thanks for checking it out and looking forward to seeing you there.
> --
> Steve Rumel
> Quality Video Service 7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
> 713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
> Other life :-)
> Col Steve Rumel, CAF
> Crew Chief, BT-13A
> Safety Officer, 2001
> West Houston Squadron
>
--
Steve Rumel
Quality Video Service 7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
Other life :-)
Col Steve Rumel, CAF
Crew Chief, BT-13A
Safety Officer, 2001
West Houston Squadron
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Quality Video Service <BTSteve(at)ev1.net> |
Looking for anyone who has installed a Skytronics / Jasco 6555T
alternator on a BT-13. we are in the process of filing for a field
approval and would like to see other's paperwork.
Thanks!
Steve Rumel
Crew Chief, BT-13A, CAF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "J. Forster" <jfor(at)onemain.com> |
"armyradios(at)egroups.com" ,
"BOATANCHORS(at)LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV" ,
"boatanchors(at)qth.net" ,
"CMP(at)yahoogroups.com" ,
"forsale-swap(at)qth.net" ,
"milsurplus(at)qth.net"
| Subject: | WTB: WW II Airborn Yagi Antenna |
Hi Listers,
I am looking for a WW II vintage Yagi that is used as a receive antanna for the
AN/APN-2 "Rebecca" system. The antenna is an AT-2/APN-2 and is a 2 element Yagi
for about 220 MHz. The center part is teardrop shaped and made of black
bakelite. I could even use 2 of them, should they be available.
In addition, I would also like an AT-1/APN-2 which a quarter wave rod for about
the same frequency.
If you have some shock mounts squirreled away, I'd also like : FT-406-A,
FT-409-A, & FT-416-A. These are for mounting the components of the system.
Please email directly to me off-list, should you have any of these items.
Thanks,
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | NEW Matronics Email List Feature! Browse Current List |
Messages!
Dear Listers,
I have just finished building an all new Email List Web Browsing feature
for the Matronics Email Lists. The new system allows you to use your web
browser to view all of the current Email List messages. The system's
indexes display all of the current List messages sorted by Subject, Author,
Date, or Thread. Clicking on the URL links on these index pages will open
another "Viewing Window" where the messages will be displayed.
The format of the index pages and message viewing window are consistent
with the existing Matronics Archive Search Engine and should be familiar to
everyone. The messages available on this new List Browsing Feature span
the previous 7 days of email for the given List. Each day the oldest day's
messages are replaced with the current day's messages. The web pages are
updated every 30 minutes with any new messages that are posted to the List
during that time frame.
Please have a look at the new Utility and let me know what you think! For
ease of use, I've added a link to the new system on each of the List
trailers that are appended to each List email message.
I hope you will find the new system useful and also find it to be a handy
companion to the Archive Search Engine.
The new Email Browsing Utility can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
From here, you can select any of the available Email Lists.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Web Server Upgraded! Blazingly Fast Archive Searches!! |
Dear Listers,
As of this weekend, the Matronics Email List Web Server is now running on a
brand new hardware platform and the latest version of RedHat Linux! The
new hardware includes Dual 1.7GHz Xeon Processors, a 400MHz FSB
motherboard, 1GB of 800MHz RAM, a Dual-Channel 160 MB/Sec Ultra-160 SCSI
Controller, and an Ultra 160 36GB 15,000 RPM Seagate Cheetah hard
drive. The performance of the new system is, in a word, breathtaking!
In a variety of benchmark tests against the previous server, the new system
is at *least* six times faster! This means that your Archive Search Engine
queries will now come back in what seems like an instant! Single word
searches of the 113MB RV-List Archive now return in 2-3 seconds, and
searches of all other List Archives return in 1 second or
less!! Performance enhancements in the download and viewing of all other
web-based tools should also be noticeably improved as well.
Please enjoy the new system performance and don't forget, the Annual Email
List Fund Raiser is just around the corner!! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2001 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Forums sponsored here. Your contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
This year, I've made some substantial improvements to the Lists and the
supporting systems. These upgrades are focused on making your experience
here faster, more enjoyable, and most importantly, informative. Here is a
partial list of improvements that I've made on the systems this year:
o Upgraded Web Server
- Minimum 6X increase in performance *
- Tons more high performance disk space and memory!
- Increased availability and reliability - UPS Backup
- Improved support for > 130,000 Archive Searches each year!
* See http://www.matronics.com/rv-list/RV-SearchTime.jpg
o Email System Disk Subsystem Upgrade
- More storage and faster access times
- Faster redistribution of List Messages
- Processed over 45,000 List messages in 2001; 50,000 in 2000!
o All new List Browse Feature *
- Browse the last seven day's worth of List Messages
- Quick access to current threads
- Sort messages by Thread, Date, Subject, or Author
* See http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
o All new Photo Share Feature * &
- Simply email your photos and files to share
- Scanned for viruses
- Automatic Web Page Generation
- Includes descriptions and poster information
* See http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
& Officially to be announced soon
o Transition To High Performance Internet Service Provider
- Improved reliability
- Better access from most sites on the Internet
- Improved throughput
These are just some of the more visible improvements I've implemented this
year. I'm always working to improve the behind the scenes operation of the
Lists. I've built an elaborate system of message text and source address
filtering mechanisms to assure that you only receive text data in the
message, spam is nearly non-existent, computer viruses are never propagated
through the Lists, and that message post redistribution is smooth and
trouble free.
This year has seen a lot of improvements in the Email List experience. If
you enjoy the Forums here and make use of the many features, won't you take
a moment and make a Contribution to support the continued operation and
maintenance? Please note there is no advertising funding on the
Lists. You don't see annoying banner ads in the Email messages or on any
of the web pages. This just seems more friendly to me and makes the List
experience just that much more personal.
The operation of these Lists is supported *completely* through the
donations of List Members just like you!
Please take a moment to support your Lists by making a Secure Credit Card
Contribution at the following web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or you may send a personal check to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their Contribution and for
their continued support over the past year!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser Off to a Slow Start... |
Hi Listers,
First I want to take everyone that has taken a minute already to make a
Contribution to support the Email Lists in 2001! I also really appreciate
all the kind words I've been receiving regarding the Lists and how much
they mean to everyone. The testimonial means a lot to me and makes the
many hours working on the system worth it!! Later in the month, I'll share
a few of the kind words with the Lists.
I've added a nifty new Bar Graph Thermometer to the message trailer that
gives an up-to-the-minute percentage status of how many members have made a
Contribution during 2001! It was a fun piece of code to write and
hopefully will be a fun way to watch the Fund Raiser's Progress this year!
As I've said in the past, the Lists are supported *completely* through your
generous Contributions during the Fund Raiser and throughout the
year. This includes all of the system and connectivity upgrades we seen,
as well as makes the many hours I spend each month keeping the systems
running even more enjoyable ;-).
Won't you take a moment and make a Contribution right now to support your
Lists? Its fast and easy with the On-line, SSL secure Credit Card system,
or by direct US-Mailing a check. For complete information, please see the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your Generous Contribution!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
PS - Don't forget to monitor the Fund Raiser Bar Graph below!
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying - Fund Raiser Continues... |
Dear Listers,
The 2001 List Fund Raiser is going well and I want to thank everyone that
has already so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists! Below
are some of the great comments and feedback members have been including
along with their Contributions.
Won't you make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and
upgrade of your Lists? Its fast and easy using the SSL Secure Web Site or
by simply sending a personal check. Complete information can be found at
Contribution web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
A give a special Thank You to all of those that have already contributed so
far this year!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
================== What Listers Are Saying ====================
Great information site.
- Edward S.
This is the first thing I look at every day.
- Ralph M.
The new List option is WONDERFUL!
- Kenyon B.
...new Search Software is absolutely fantastic!!
- Bruce K.
...essential to my enjoyment of RV building and flying.
- Douglas W.
Great List!
- Randall H.
...an invaluable service!
- Carlos S.
...incredible service to the industry!
- Alex M.
Building wouldn't be the same without the "Great List".
- Tom E.
...has helped the building process immensely.
- Hap S.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Have You Tried the New List Browse Feature?? |
Hi Listers,
I've been getting a LOT of very positive feedback on the new Email List
Browsing feature I added to the suite of List services a couple of weeks
ago. A number of List members have written to say that they love the new
List Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages
throughout the day without having to constantly check their email or wait
for the Digest issue to come out.
The List Browse Function allows you to use your web browser to view the
current 7 day's worth of List messages for the give List. The indexes are
updated every 30 minutes with any new messages that have been posted. You
can sort all of the message indexes by Thread, Subject, Author, or Date and
easily track and find current threads.
You can check out the New List Browse Feature by going to the following URL
and clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Please remember that November is List Fund Raiser month!! The continued
operation and upgrade of the Email Lists are _entirely_ supported by YOUR
Contributions and support. You'll never see annoying, flashing banner ads,
or other forms of commercialism on these Lists. Just people sharing
information, data, and stories about your favorite topic, plain (plane?)
and simple.
If you enjoy the Lists and all of the services here, won't you take moment
and make a quick Contribution? It fast and easy using the SSL Secure Web
site with your Visa or MasterCard. Or, you can also send a personal check
to the address listed below.
SSL Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
USMail: Matt Dralle
c/o Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Don't forget that the "List of Contributors" will be coming out in just a
few short weeks! Don't you want to make sure you're name is on it?
I would like to wish a special "Thank You" to everyone that has made a
Contribution so far this year!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Free Copy of Van's New "THE RV STORY" Video! |
Hey Listers!
In support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Andy Gold of The Builder's
Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ) is donating a FREE COPY of the
new edition of Van's "The RV Story" video (VHS) to any Email List Member
making a Contribution of $50 or more!
To take advantage of this wonderful Offer, please include the following
information along with your Contribution, either in the Message Box if you
Contribute on-line, or on a slip of paper if your Contribution is by check
via the USMail:
Van's RV Story Video Offer
$50 or Greater Contributor
[your name]
[your shipping address]
[your City, State and Zip Code]
If you've already made a Contribution in 2001 of $50 or more and would like
to receive the video, please drop me an email ( dralle(at)matronics.com ) and
include the information shown above with the words "Video Offer" in the
Subject line.
Please note that this new edition of "The RV Story" will first be available
in about 8 weeks.
I want to thank Andy Gold and the Builder's Book Store for this *very
generous* Contribution! If you haven't taken a moment to check out The
Builder's Book Store web site yet, you owe it to yourself to have a look (
http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ). Andy has a fabulous selection of
interesting, informative, and exceptionally useful books and videos on his
site. Please have a look!
Again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution so far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Your Contributions
make all of the Lists and Services found here possible - period.
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What They're Saying... |
Hi Listers,
The 2001 List Fund Raiser is currently underway and lot's of people have
been making their Contribution and saying a lot of very nice things about
the Lists and what they're daily-dose of Forum means to them! I've
included a few more of the Lister comments below.
Won't you take a moment to support your Lists this month? Its fast and
easy by making a Secure Credit Card Contribution at the following web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or by sending a personal check Contribution to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
For Complete information on the upgrades and improvements the Lists and
servers have undergone this year, have a look at this URL:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=113171908?KEYS=asdfasdf?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=4?SERIAL=1942094803?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
Here's few more of the comments I've been receiving about what the Lists
mean to its members:
======================
Not only a great way to help each other out, it's been
a wonderful way to meet new friends. - Fred H.
The List is invaluable to me...
- Russell W.
I absolutely love your Lists...
- Scott C.
...you are tying all the builders together.
- David A.
The Lists continue to be an invaluable source of
information. - Jeff O.
I look forward to reading my Email every day...
- Harvey S.
They are invaluable resources to builders of all
skill levels. - Kevin H.
...another year of excellent service.
- Terry W.
Way cool setup.
- Chuck R.
...source of information, inspiration, support,
and camaraderie. - Carlos S.
I'd be lost without them...
- Jeff O.
======================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Hi Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st
I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support
the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a
minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors? As a number of people have pointed out, the List seems at
least, if not a whole lot more, valuable as a building/flying/recreating
tool as a typical your magazine subscription. We won't even talk about a
newsstand price... :-)
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming
LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to
support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa or M/C on the SSL Secure
Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
!! Don't forget !!
Andy Gold of the Builder's Book Store ( http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ) has
generously donated a FREE copy of Van's new "The RV Story" video to anyone
making a Contribution of $50 or more to support the Lists. For complete
information on the _awesome_ offer, please see this URL:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=113629625?KEYS=asdf?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=1?SERIAL=23392130806?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
To make sure you get your video, be sure to follow the instructions at the
URL above carefully!
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support
that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a
little comment about how the Lists have helped you! I love to feel the
love... :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | New E-mail Address |
My new e-mail address is cgalley(at)qcbc.org as the other ISP decided to drop
service. If your address book has the old "accessus" URL that I used for
over 7 years, please update your records.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Cy Galley - www.qcbc.org Webmaster
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
Cy Galley - Treasurer, Mississippi Valley Region of the AACA
www.aaca.org/mvr - Webmaster
Cy Galley - webmaster EAA Chapter 75
http://members.tripod.com/~EAA_Chapter_75
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Michael Brown... |
Hi Listers,
In support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Michael Brown of Brown
Aviation Tool Supply Co. ( http://www.browntool.com ) has generously
offered to provide Gift Certificates to all Listers making Contributions of
$30 or more this year!
Making your Contribution to support these Email Lists and to qualify for
the Brown Tool Gift Certificate is fast and easy by using the SSL Secure
Credit Card Contribution Web Site at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or by sending a personal check Contribution to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
According to Michael, "The Gift Certificates have absolutely no strings
attached and are as good as cash for anything from the Brown Tool Web Site
or Catalog."
The amount of your Gift Certificate is based on the size of your List
Contribution and is according to the following:
$100 or greater Contribution receives a $25 Gift Certificate!
or
$30-$99 Contribution receives a $10 Gift Certificate!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
To receive your Brown Tool Gift Certificate, send an email message to:
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com
and include the following information:
1) Subject Line: Tool Offer
2) Which Gift Certificate you qualify for ($10 or $25)
3) [Your Name]
4) [Your Mailing Address]
5) [Your City, State Zip]
** Please only use the email address shown above (
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com ) to request your Gift Certificate!
*** Anyone making a List Contribution of $30 or more in 2001 qualifies for
the Gift Certificate!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
You should receive your Gift Certificate from Brown Tool in about 2-4 weeks.
I want to thank Michael Brown of Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. for this
wonderful offer in support of the Email Lists! If you haven't yet had a
look at the Brown Tool Web Site ( http://www.browntool.com ), then you own
it to yourself to take a peek! He has some great deals and good quality tools.
And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has already made a
Contribution in this year's Fund Raiser! Its YOUR support that keeps these
Lists running and NOT ADVERTISING and FLASHING BANNER ADS...
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Can You Say...? |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton great comments on what the Lists mean to its
members and I've included a few of them below. I'm sure _most_ of you can
echo one or more of these sentiments to the tune of a nice List
Contribution... :-)
Just one more week until I post the 2001 List of Contributors! Won't you
support the continued operation of these Lists by making a Contribution
today and assure your place on the upcoming Contributor List? I'm sure
your friends will be checking for your name on the LOC... ;-)
SSL Secure Web Visa and MasterCard Contributions:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Personal Check via the US Mail:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
I want to thank everyone that has already made a Contribution this
year! YOU make these Lists possible!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
===========================================================================
Can't live without my List everyday!
- John B.
Information you can't get anywhere else.
- George D.
...one of the finest List sites on the Internet.
- Dennis S.
This List has saved my bacon more than once!
- Larry H.
Really invaluable service for a novice builder.
- John B.
...got some useful help from the List.
- Rocky S.
A valuable resource.
- Dennis N.
This List is a Super resource...
- Dwight F.
...couldn't have gotten this far without the
resources on the List.
- Jerry C.
Great service to us builders...
- Ronald M.
...someday we'll all meet in RV Heaven. Hey,
how come there isn't an "RV-Heaven" List?
- Louis W.
The info I've gleaned from the List has saved
me several thousand dollars...
- Kevin H.
...the only International, Interesting, Up-to-date,
List with the best search engine ever!
- Hans L.
...check it ever day so I don't miss anything.
- Jim B.
Great List!
- Douglas G.
This List has saved me a few times already...
- Thomas R.
...part of my morning wake up reading.
- Dwight F.
...helped my make my plane better, safer, better
looking, and built it quicker.
- Kevin H.
Have bought many items from the info the List gives.
- Jim B.
You meet the nicest people here.
- George D.
Informative, Amusing, Entertaining...
- John B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Don't Miss The Video... |
Hey Listers!
Just a reminder that in support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Andy
Gold of The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ) is
donating a FREE COPY of the new edition of Van's "The RV Story" video (VHS)
to any List Member making a Contribution of $50 or more!
To take advantage of this wonderful Offer, please include the following
information along with your Contribution, either in the Message Box if you
Contribute on-line, or on a slip of paper if your Contribution is by check
via the USMail:
Van's RV Story Video Offer
$50 or Greater Contributor
[your name]
[your shipping address]
[your City, State and Zip Code]
If you've already made a Contribution of $50 or more during the 2001 Fund
Raiser and would still like to receive the video, please drop me an email (
dralle(at)matronics.com ) and include the information shown above with the
following Subject Line:
Subject: Video Offer
Please note that this new edition of "The RV Story" will first be available
in about 8 weeks.
I want to thank Andy Gold and the Builder's Book Store for this *very
generous* Contribution! If you haven't taken a moment to check out The
Builder's Book Store web site yet, you owe it to yourself to have a look (
http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ). Andy has a fabulous selection of
interesting, informative, and exceptionally useful books and videos on his
site. Please have a look!
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
so far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Just a few more days until I send
out the List of Contributors for 2001. Make your Contribution today to
make sure your name is on the LOC!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Brown Tool Gift Certificate Reminder... |
Hi Listers,
Just a reminder that in support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Michael
Brown of Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. ( http://www.browntool.com ) has
generously offered to provide Gift Certificates to all Listers making
Contributions of $30 or more this year!
Making your Contribution to support these Email Lists and to qualify for
the Brown Tool Gift Certificate is fast and easy by using the SSL Secure
Credit Card Contribution Web Site at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or by sending a personal check Contribution to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
According to Michael, "The Gift Certificates have absolutely no strings
attached and are as good as cash for anything from the Brown Tool Web Site
or Catalog."
The amount of your Gift Certificate is based on the size of your List
Contribution and is according to the following:
$100 or greater Contribution receives a $25 Gift Certificate!
or
$30-$99 Contribution receives a $10 Gift Certificate!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
To receive your Brown Tool Gift Certificate, send an email message to:
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com
and include the following information:
1) Subject Line: Tool Offer
2) Which Gift Certificate you qualify for ($10 or $25)
3) [Your Name]
4) [Your Mailing Address]
5) [Your City, State Zip]
** Please only use the email address shown above (
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com ) to request your Gift Certificate!
*** Anyone making a List Contribution of $30 or more in 2001 qualifies for
the Gift Certificate! But, you have to follow the instructions above to
receive it!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
You should receive your Gift Certificate from Brown Tool in about 2-4 weeks.
I want to thank Michael Brown of Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. for this
wonderful offer in support of the Email Lists! If you haven't yet had a
look at the Brown Tool Web Site ( http://www.browntool.com ), then you own
it to yourself to take a peek! He has some great deals and good quality tools.
I would like to thank everyone that has already made a Contribution in this
year's Fund Raiser!
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributors Down By 25%... |
Dear Listers,
First I want to thank everyone that has already so generously made a
Contribution toward this year 2001 List Fund Raiser. It is your support
that makes these Lists possible.
Since there are only a couple more days until the official end of this
year's drive, I want to share some statistics regarding this and previous
Fund Raiser percentages. In years past, the percentage of members making a
Contribution to support the Lists has typically been right around 23% of
the total List population. This year, however, you'll note from the
Contribution Meter that we're only at a little over 16% for some
reason. This is down by roughly 7%, and translates into about a *30%
decrease* in participation this year!
I'm hoping that everyone is just waiting until the very last minute to make
their Contribution this year, and that the needle on the Contribution Meter
will still creep up to the normal 23% in the next few days! Saturday or
Sunday I will be posting the 2001 List of Contributors, so you'll want to
heat up that Contribution Web Site right away to make sure your name is on
the 2001 LOC!!
The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The US Mail Address:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Listers,
A couple List Members have asked if the Lists are "in trouble financially"
and wanted to know if this is why I was having a Fund Raiser. It got to
thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also
take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide
a far better experience than the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a great amount of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
new List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of
use is outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth
of messages online for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew who where
building RVs. It has grown into nearly 40 different aviation-related Email
Lists and an associated web site that receives over 500,000 hits each
month!! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value
in supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing
and improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The US Mail Address:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Free Stuff Reminder... |
Dear Listers,
Don't forget that you can receive a free copy of Van's new Video, "The RV
Story" with a $50 or greater contribution this year, or a $10 Gift
Certificate from Brown Tool for a $30 or greater contribution or a $25 Gift
Certificate for a $100 contribution. Below are two URLs for complete
information on the two Offers. Please follow the respective instructions
*carefully*.
Van's Video Offer Information:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=5781141?KEYS=asdf?LISTNAME=Yak?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=09092616692?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
Brown Aviation Tool Gift Certificate Information:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=5838463?KEYS=asdf?LISTNAME=Yak?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=09080216166?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore and Michael Brown of
Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. for their generous offers in support the
Lists this year!! Thank you, guys!
I'd like to thank everyone that has already made a generous Contribution in
support of the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Listers,
Below are some of the comments I've received just this week alone from
members along with their Contributions to support the Lists! What can I
say? Wow. I really appreciate the kind words and extremely positive
feedback and I would encourage you to read over a few of comments below. I
think they really say a mouthful...
The last couple of days have seen a huge increase in support!! Thank you
to all that have Contributed and to those that have rallied support for the
Lists! Since the response has been so wonderful recently, I plan to delay
the posting of the 2001 List of Contributors a few days to assure that
everyone will be included!
Won't you make your Contribution today to support the Lists?
------------------------------------------
The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The US Mail Address:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
------------------------------------------
Thank you to everyone for the kind words and support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
======== Some Great Comments on What The Lists Mean to its Members ==========
...great source of information, education,
relaxation, frustration, and socialization.
- John H.
Can't imagine what it would be like building
with out the Lists...
- Steven E.
Look forward to the list every day.
- Parker T.
I really enjoy reading the banter...
- Wesley H.
...enjoy the patter on construction tips and
possible problem areas.
- Richard N.
Couldn't have built my RV-4 without the List
and archives!!
- Warren M.
I have found the list to be a great help,
especially for a first time builder.
- Peter D.
I thoroughly enjoy the List.
- Larry B.
The List is a great resource.
- Dennis K.
The list is great entertainment.
- Gary Z.
Can't say enough about the good information
that I have received from reading the List.
- Robert C.
...it's the best!
- Steve F.
I'm addicted to the List!
- Rodney B.
The list has been a wonderful resource of
knowledge.
- Doug B.
As a first time builder, the lists have
been my most important source of information.
- James V.
It [read the List] is the first thing I do
every day is see what's new.
- Billie F.
The information available through the List
has made my flying safer...
- Dave R.
I get much more information about my plane
from this List than from all of my aviation
magazines combined.
- Roger H.
I love the list!!!!
- Ken L.
Much better value than a magazine subscription.
- Ted M.
...found it very useful.
- Allan J.
...this list has been a great service to me.
- Peter F.
I cannot express just how USEFUL the Lists are.
- Geoff T.
...a tremendous help to my RV-8 project and
a way to meet some of the best people going.
- Steve G.
The List is invaluable, and the best I've
ever seen.
- Ed C.
Like another family for many of us.
- John H.
The lists have saved a bunch of calls to
Van's for guidance.
- James V.
I think I'm addicted...
- Terry C.
Love it!
- David W.
The information really helps...
- Jim P.
...I find [it] very informative.
- Real D.
...List keeps me motivated... - Cliff M.
The exchange of information is really helpful...
- M.N.
Lots of great info on the List.
- Larry D.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Photo Share Main Index Page - The Detail You Asked For... |
Hi Listers!
I've been noticing a lot of people having fun with the new Email List Photo
and File Share feature and I've seen a great many hits on the various
member pages.
A number of you wrote to say that some additional topic data on the Main
Photo Share Index page would certainly be helpful and I would have to agree.
It took a little programming, and it was a job retrofitting to all of the
older Shares, but I think you'll be pleased with the outcome! I've added
Poster Name, Photo Share Subject, and Target Email List data to the Main
Index. Clicking on a Subject text opens a new window with the Photo Share
and the thumbnails.
Have a look and feel free to submit your photos for sharing! The
instructions are at the top of the Main Photo Share Index Page.
The URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
Enjoy!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [ PLEASE READ ] : Matronics Network Upgrade Mon. 12/17/01 |
Listers,
According to my ISP, Speakeasy, they will be doing some sort of "backbone
upgrade" Monday, 12/17/01. Their message doesn't mention whether or not
this will impact connectivity for any length of time. I wanted everyone to
know that there might be a time when access to the Matronics Web Server and
Email Lists might be unavailable. If there's a problem, I'll post a
message from a different email address with details.
Bottom line: Hopefully nobody will notice...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andre Beauchamp" <andreno3(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | control response |
Fellows flyers
I'm in the prosse of building a 2/3 scale p51 mustang and I would like
some information on some of it's flying charateristic and capablelates. this
is a wood&fiberglass construction whit auto engine 350/300hp
thank you
MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Belated List of Contributors #2... |
Dear Listers,
I'd like to apologize for the delay in posting the 2001 List of
Contributors Number 2, as well as getting behind in the List Photo
Shares. Here's my sad story... Over the Christmas holidays, I was working
out in the shop on a rotating drum sander. I was sanding out the woofer
hole in a speaker enclosure and, long story short, the part got away from
me and started spinning like a Hula hoop on the drum. Rather than just
turning the machine off like I should have done, I tried to grab the part
and in the process badly broke the ring fingers on *both* my right and left
hands!! I had to go in for surgery on the left hand because of the joint
damage and was stuck in a thing called an "external fixator" for almost 4
weeks. The right hand has healed up well, but the left one is very stiff
and I'm currently only getting about 70 degrees of bend. The doctor says
that I will get 80-90% of the moment back with a great deal of therapy and
I'm going to hold them to that...
The moral of the story is that even a sander can be a dangerous tool. I
had been working with a table saw, drill press, scroll saw, and high power
routers all day long and afforded them all the respect they deserved. But
with the sander, I never even thought about how things could go bad. It
just didn't seem like a dangerous tool. Be careful out there in the
shop. In a moment you can hurt yourself; hurt yourself in such a way that
you will have to live with the damage the rest of your life. Nothing is
worth that.
I'm finally back working on the computer and getting back to email and
other stuff. Later today I will be processing the mound of Photo Shares
that have backed up while I was out. I also just finished up the 2001 List
Contributions and have included the List Number 2 below.
I want to thank everyone that has so generously contributed to the List
this past year! It is your Contributions that make these Lists possible.
I understand that the Van's Videos from the Builder's Bookstore should be
shipping very soon if not already, and the discount coupons from Brown
Tools should already have arrived. Thanks again to Andy Gold and Michael
Brown for their generous support of the Lists this year with these giveaways!
Oh, and now that my fingers are working pretty well again, I've decided to
go ahead and finish my RV-4!! I had a LOT of guilt over wanting to sell
it... :-)
Happy Building and Flying!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Alexander, Don
Alexander, George
Andrews, Jim
Anonymous
Blake, James
Bowman, John
Buryl, Hill
Butler, Sherman
Cantrell, Jimmy
DeRuiter, Marcel
Deffner, David
Graumlich, Tom
Griffin, Randy
Harbour, Keith
Hunt, Robin
Jannon, Terence
Johnson, Jackie
Kahn, Steve
Labhart, Norm
Laird, David
Larson, Joe
Licking, Larry
Maynard, Brad
Navratil, Richard
Noonan, Thomas
Petersen, Paul
Reed, Gary
Rogers, Ken
Salter, Phillip
Schmit, John
Schultz, David
Sheffield, Ray
Smith, Edmond
Staley, Dick
Utterback, Tom
Uvanni, Bruce
Williams, Henry
Wilson, Robert
Woodward, Don
Worthington, Victor
Zirges, Malcom
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| From: | Quality Video Service <BTSteve(at)ev1.net> |
Warbird List
| Subject: | [Vultee Valiant] Group |
Please advise all your friends of this Group and take the time to join
yourself.
Thanks!
btsteve003 wrote:
> Well, folks our club is no longer a club. It has been merged with
> Yahoo Groups. The front page has a new look too. This has several
> advantages, but it is still basically the same service. If you have
> bookmarked the page, or made it your home page, you will have to
> update it to the new address. I have reset everyone's email setting to
> recieve individual emails for the mean time so we all get the this
> updated information. I do however, recommend that folks directly
> involved with BT-13's to leave this setting as we will get the
> messages posted emailed directly to your email address. But for those
> that prefer not to recieve direct email, you can change that opinion
> or I can do it for you. Just let me know if you do not prefer this
> option. We have had some folks looking for advice and parts in the
> past few days and I have even recieved long distance phone calls from
> those folks. So, I really do think it is important to have these
> postings sent directly to your email as most of us don't have the time
> to go to the Group and look at the posts. If any of you have friends
> that are involved with BT-13's, please refer them to this group. The
> more folks we get on this list, the more powerful this forum will be.
> As we enter warm weather and a new airshow season, we will be flying
> our wonderful pieces of history more often, to airshows and sharing
> them with WWII aircraft enthusiasts who appreciate an admire us for
> the efforts we put forth to keep these magnificent machines in the
> air. Please keep safety first in mind and have fun too!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vulteevaliant/
> Steve Rumel
> Crew Chief, BT-13A
> West Houston Squadron, CAF
>
> Buy Stock for $4.
> No Minimums.
> FREE Money 2002.
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/7yWplB/TM
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> vulteevaliant-unsubscribe(at)yahoogroups.com
>
>
--
Steve Rumel
Quality Video Service - Professional Service for your Audio and Video
Equipment
7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
Other life :-)
Col Steve Rumel, CAF
Crew Chief, BT-13A
Safety Officer, 2002-2004
West Houston Squadron
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| From: | "Builder's Bookstore" <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com> |
| Subject: | Free Thunderbird, Blue Angels videos |
Free Thunderbird, Blue Angels videos
I've got 5 copies of a Thunderbirds / Blue Angles video which we'll give
away for Free to the first 5 people who ask for it along with any other
regular order from Builder's Bookstore.
It's a 50 minute video, 1/2 on the Thunderbirds, and 1/2 on the Blue
Angels. The Thunderbird segment is excellent. The Blue Angels section
is not as good.
To get one, just write FREE THUNDERBIRDS VIDEO in the special
instructions box on the Builder's Bookstore on-line order form, or say
so if you prefer to order something by phone.
Also, in case you are caller #6 or later, note if your regular order
depends on whether there is a free video left to include in your
package.
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
http://buildersbooks.com
800 780-4115
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | owner-warbird-list-server(at)matronics.com |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andre Beauchamp" <andreno3(at)hotmail.com> |
Im not a owner of a warbird but, I'm looking at a 2/3 scale p51 and I would
like some information ex.All wood construction plans by falconair. If any
one can please respond.
thank you
>From: owner-warbird-list-server(at)matronics.com
>Repply-To: warbird-list(at)matronics.com
>Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:36:50 -0700
>
>
MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Browsing Feature! |
Dear Listers,
I thought I'd post a little reminder to everyone about a very slick feature
of the email Lists here at Matronics. You can now use Netscape or Internet
Explorer to browse the current messages on your favorite List! The List
Browse Function tracks the current 7 day's worth of List messages for any
given List. Indexes are updated every 30 minutes with new messages that
have been posted. You can resort the message indexes by Thread, Subject,
Author, or Date and easily track and find current threads.
A number of List members have written to say that they love the List
Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages throughout
the day without having to constantly check their email or wait for the
Digest issue to come out.
You can check out the List Browse Feature by going to the following URL and
clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Keith Bedell" <bedelk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XDP4000X-List: unhappy |
All-
I hooked up my xdp-4000x and it sounds like crap. I ordered the necessary cable
from online and tried to tune it, but it just got worse. Is there something missing
htat I need to do to get it to work. When I bypass it with rca splitters
the res of my system works like a charm. I have the 6001ES running three 10'
ES subs. Then 2 1805 ES's handling everything else. Aside from the problems with
the 4x, there is a huge disparity between cd volume and radio volume. I mean
huge!!!. I can max out radio volume and it sounds ok, then pop in a cd and
half way blows mee out of the cab. Any ideas, I anm just so dissapointed right
now....
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>
Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
To: Email-Lists(at)matronics.com
Subject: XDP4000X-List: List Browsing Feature!
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:52:33 -0700
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Dear Listers,
I thought I'd post a little reminder to everyone about a very slick feature
of the email Lists here at Matronics. You can now use Netscape or Internet
Explorer to browse the current messages on your favorite List! The List
Browse Function tracks the current 7 day's worth of List messages for any
given List. Indexes are updated every 30 minutes with new messages that
have been posted. You can resort the message indexes by Thread, Subject,
Author, or Date and easily track and find current threads.
A number of List members have written to say that they love the List
Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages throughout
the day without having to constantly check their email or wait for the
Digest issue to come out.
You can check out the List Browse Feature by going to the following URL and
clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
Dear Listers,
I've just added four new email Lists to the current lineup at
Matronics. These new lists include:
KRNet:
krnet-List(at)matronics.com The RANS KR1 and KR2 Series
Cub:
cub-List(at)matronics.com The Piper J-3 Cub
RV10:
rv10-List(at)matronics.com The New 4-place RV from Van's!
Europa:
europa(at)matronics.com The Slick European Composite
All the usual features are available with the new Lists including the
search engine, archive download, 7-day List browse, and PhotoShare!
To sign up for any or all of the new lists, please go to the List
Subscription page and put in your email address and select the Lists of
your choice. The URL for the Subscription page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscibe
Don't forget that its your posts that generate traffic on the respective
Lists! Post an introduction and a description of your project or dreams!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [With Good URL This Time!] Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
[Typo in the subscribe page URL last time - SORRY! -Matt]
Dear Listers,
I've just added four new email Lists to the current lineup at
Matronics. These new lists include:
KRNet:
krnet-List(at)matronics.com The RANS KR1 and KR2 Series
Cub:
cub-List(at)matronics.com The Piper J-3 Cub
RV10:
rv10-List(at)matronics.com The New 4-place RV from Van's!
Europa:
europa(at)matronics.com The Slick European Composite
All the usual features are available with the new Lists including the
search engine, archive download, 7-day List browse, and PhotoShare!
To sign up for any or all of the new lists, please go to the List
Subscription page and put in your email address and select the Lists of
your choice. The URL for the Subscription page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Don't forget that its your posts that generate traffic on the respective
Lists! Post an introduction and a description of your project or dreams!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | don522(at)webtv.net (Don McCallister) |
Anyone rebuilding a Sea/Fury or Fury, please respond.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASONINTL(at)aol.com |
Not rebuilding one, but I am looking for a project or one that has been
restored and is for sale!!! Do you know of one?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | don522(at)webtv.net (Don McCallister) |
| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/20/02 |
My youngest brother and his son is rebuilding one - have been restoring
for seven years and it will be like new - we have mounted a
3350(3,000#plus) "round engine". Will be starting engine soon.
It is awsome!!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/20/02 |
Do you have any pictures online?
Regards,
Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
MyKitPlane.com
EAA 665957
gmcneel(at)mykitplane.com
gmcneel(at)simdesk.com
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=43
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=68
"What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?"
Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to
a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-warbird-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-warbird-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don
> McCallister
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:01 AM
> To: warbird-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Warbird-List: Re: Warbird-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/20/02
>
>
> My youngest brother and his son is rebuilding one - have been restoring
> for seven years and it will be like new - we have mounted a
> 3350(3,000#plus) "round engine". Will be starting engine soon.
> It is awsome!!!!!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASONINTL(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Warbird-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/20/02 message of |
Tue, ...
Where are you located? I'd love to see it! I'm in Memphis. Do you know of
any projects for sale. I have been to see the Sanders Boys out near
Sacramento. They have a couple. Thanks for the info...mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Getting Bounced From Matronics Lists... |
Dear Listers,
I have two programs I run regularly to purge the various Matronics email
lists of bad email addresses. I referred to these as my Email Weasels and
there is a daily version that is run automatically every night at midnight
and there is a and a monthly version that I run by hand at roughly 30-day
intervals.
The Daily Weasel grinds through the 8 to 10mb of bounced email that is
generated each day looking for obvious things like "user unknown", "host
unknown", and other things that usually mean the user's email address
doesn't exist any longer. The Daily Weasel has been purging 5 to 10 email
addresses each night.
The Monthly Weasel gets more serious about the task and sends a single
message to each list member with specially generated headers and content
information. Any bounces or replies to these messages are considered
errors and the email address is eligible for purging. This program is
particularly useful for "weaseling out" email addresses that are actually
being forwarded to by another email address that is subscribed to a List
and otherwise would not be identifiable. The Monthly Weasel purges roughly
100 nonexistent email addresses each month when it is run.
To check to see if your address has been removed by either of the Email
Weasel programs, you can check the Weasel Status Web Page at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If you find your email address on the Weasel List, but are certain that
everything is working fine now, simply go the Matronics Subscription page
and resubscribe your address. No harm, no foul. The subscription URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
That all having been said, I've noticed that the Daily Weasel may have been
getting a little too aggressive in purging addresses recently and a number
of people have written asking if and why they'd been dropped from the List.
A couple of months ago I rewrote the Daily Weasel program to include a
wider variety of errors and more aggressively purge. One of the new purge
criteria that I added seems to occur a fair amount of the time (Connection
Deferred) even though the address is really okay.
As of today, I've removed the Connection Deferred criteria from the Daily
Weasel Rule set and this should decrease the number of "false positives"
and unnecessary unsubscribed.
Again, if you get unsubscribed by either of the Email Weasel utilities,
simply go to the subscription page and resubscribe:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds(at)macs.net> |
czech-list(at)matronics.com, europa-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com, homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com,
kolb-list(at)matronics.com, kr-list(at)matronics.com, lancair-list(at)matronics.com,
pelican-list(at)matronics.com, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com,
piper-list(at)matronics.com, pitts-list(at)matronics.com,
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, rv4-list(at)matronics.com, rv6-list(at)matronics.com,
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, sonerai-list(at)matronics.com,
tailwind-list(at)matronics.com, ultralight-list(at)matronics.com,
warbird-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In |
EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In
Saturday, October 19, 2002, Hampton Roads Exec (PVG), Virginia, 9AM till
7PM
Hampton Roads Exec (PVG) is 27nm SW of Norfolk, Virginia (253 radial
?ORF)
AWOS 118.375
CTAF 123.0
The weather will be a perfect Virginia fall day!
Aircraft parking is off taxiway between Rwy 23 and T-Hangars East of
Airport Terminal
Schedule of Events
Fly-In Begins 9AM
Food all Day 10AM ? 3PM
Poker Run (Walk Around Field)
Project Visits on Field
Aircraft Judging 11AM ? 3PM, All Categories, Antiques, Classics,
Homebuilts, Warbirds
Social Hour 4PM
Dinner 5PM ? 7PM, BBQ Sandwiches, Chicken, Drinks
Local motels/hotels are available
For More Information
Frank Toy 757-460-3680
ftoy(at)att.net
Richard Reynolds 757-627-8743
rvreynolds(at)macs.net
EAA Chapter 339
http://home.earthlink.net/~avyator/
Hampton Roads Exec Airport
http://www.hamptonroadsexecutiveairport.com/index.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds(at)macs.net> |
czech-list(at)matronics.com, europa-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com, homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com,
kolb-list(at)matronics.com, kr-list(at)matronics.com, lancair-list(at)matronics.com,
pelican-list(at)matronics.com, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com,
piper-list(at)matronics.com, pitts-list(at)matronics.com,
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, rv4-list(at)matronics.com, rv6-list(at)matronics.com,
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, sonerai-list(at)matronics.com,
tailwind-list(at)matronics.com, ultralight-list(at)matronics.com,
warbird-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In |
EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In
Saturday, October 19, 2002, Hampton Roads Exec (PVG), Virginia, 9AM till
7PM
Hampton Roads Exec (PVG) is 13.5nm SW of Norfolk, Virginia (253 radial
(ORF)
AWOS 118.375
CTAF 123.0
The weather will really be a perfect Virginia fall day!
Aircraft parking is off taxiway between Rwy 23 and T-Hangars East of
Airport Terminal
Schedule of Events
Fly-In Begins 9AM
Food all Day 10AM - 3PM
Poker Run (Walk Around Field)
Project Visits on Field
Aircraft Judging 11AM - 3PM, All Categories, Antiques, Classics,
Homebuilts, Warbirds
Social Hour 4PM
Dinner 5PM - 7PM, BBQ Sandwiches, Chicken, Drinks
Local motels/hotels are available
For More Information
Frank Toy 757-460-3680
ftoy(at)att.net
Richard Reynolds 757-627-8743
rvreynolds(at)macs.net
EAA Chapter 339
http://home.earthlink.net/~avyator/
Hampton Roads Exec Airport
http://www.hamptonroadsexecutiveairport.com/index.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2002 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show much traffic the
Lists generated last year alone:
11/01/2001 - 10/31/2002
Web server hits: 8,700,000 (727,000/mo)
Incoming Email Posts: 51,259 (4,271/mo) *
* This number is multiplied by the total number of email addresses
subscribed to the given List. The actual number of email message processed
is in the 50,000,000 range for last year!!
The new Internet provider, Speakeasy, has been providing extremely fast and
reliable service over the last year, and this has certainly been a
refreshing change from previous providers!
There were a couple of new features added at the tail-end of last year
including the new List Browse Feature ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
), and the List Photoshare which have been both very popular. Many people
have written to say how much they enjoy the on-line browsing capability of
current week's messages. The 184 new Photoshares (
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ) added over the last year attests to
its acceptance and appreciation in the community as well.
I have upgraded both the email and web server OS systems recently to the
latest - well almost the latest - version of Redhat Linux and Kernel
2.4.19, both of which have been working very well and quite reliably.
What does the future hold? Well, something pretty exciting I'm
hoping... I am currently evaluating a new, commercially available software
package that runs under Linux and provides a complete web-based Email List
service akin to what those other guys use. The difference will be that
there won't be any annoying advertisements and popup ads on the Matronics
system!! The system will continue to be dedicated to furthering Lists
activities and not trying to sell you something you don't want. My hope is
to keep most if not all of the current functionality in place and add the
new software system over the top. Some of the system will be replaced
(like majordomo), but the lists will work much like they do today - only
BETTER! As I mentioned, I am currently in the evaluation stage of this and
have yet to select a final product. Suffice to say some facelifts are
definitely on the way!
Unlike many of the other "list servers" on the web these days, I have a
strict no-commercial-advertisement policy on the Matronics Lists and
associated List websites. I have been approached by a number of vendors
recently with advertising deals that have been very tempting. However, my
commitment to providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment
prevails! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks. My goal with the Matronics List
Service is to provide my members with a commercial-free, safe, and
high-performance system in which to share information, ideas, and
camaraderie.
I recoup my upgrade, maintenance, and operating costs by having a List Fund
Raiser once a year during November. During this time, I ask List members
to donate a small amount of money to support the continued operation of the
Lists over the upcoming year. Contributions in the $20, $30, and $50 range
are common. This year I have completely revamped the Contribution website,
and have added the ability to use PayPal to make your Contribution in
addition to the traditional Visa/MC and Personal Check Options. Its easier
and faster than ever before to make your Contribution!! For those who are
accustomed to using PayPal to make Internet purchases, will appreciate the
ease and speed of using this handy method of payment to make their List
Contribution.
The best news this year, however, is that I have a couple of fantastic Gift
offers to support the List Fund Raiser! Andy Gold of The Builder's
Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) will be generously donating a
FREE Jeppesen Flight Bag to anyone making a $50 or more List Contribution
during the Fund Raiser! This is a great bag and something you'll surely
what to get your hands on. Thanks Andy, for this great incentive!!
In addition to the great Flight Bag, I will also be offering a FREE
Matronics List Archive CDROM for a $50 or greater Contribution! This is a
complete set of archives for all Email Lists currently hosted by
Matronics. The Archives date back to the beginning of the each List. In
the case of the RV-List, for example, this includes archives all the way
back to 1990! That's about 133Mb alone! Also included on the CD is a copy
of Chip Gibbion's Windows Archive Search Utility and a precompiled
search-index for each archive on the CD.
Better yet?! You can get BOTH the Flight Bag AND the Archive CD for a
Contribution of $75 or more which is actually LESS than the combined retail
price on the two items!!! How can you go wrong? Get some great stuff AND
support your Lists at the same time!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR support!
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who supports the
List this year. Your generosity contributes directly to the quality of the
experience here.
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a Personal Check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as additional
information on the various methods of payment.
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Again, I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this
year! Your Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New List Digest Feature!! [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I've added a new feature to the Digest format of the Lists tonight. At the
top of each digest you will find a new Index Listing of all of the messages
found within that Digest including the Message Number, Subject, Poster, and
Time of Day posted.
I've also added a "Message Number" header to each message within the Digest
so that its easy to find 'just the message' you were looking for!
Sorry for the double posting of the digests tonight - the first time I
didn't quite have the code right and a few "bogus" entries made it into the
Index. I went ahead and reposted the Digest so that everyone could see how
the Index-to-Message mapping really worked.
Special 'thanks' to Gary Hall for not only suggesting a Digest Index, but
also supplying a few samples on how it might look. Gary, I think you'll be
quite pleased with the format!
Don't forget that were right in the middle of this year's List Fund Raiser
and if you haven't already made your Contribution, you own it to yourself
to check out the great free Gifts that are available this year with your
qualifying Contribution.
The Lists are operated completely though the support of it members, and so
its up to YOU to get that credit card out and make that $20, $30, or $50
show of support for the continued operation of the Lists.
Won't you take a couple of minutes and make a quick Contribution on the all
new, streamlined List Support web site? I've also added a
Payment-through-PayPal option this year, and this is proving a very popular
method of payment. Don't forget to check out the great free gifts you can
get with a qualifying Contribution this year. I can't believe how popular
they've been this year! Hurry and get your's today and support the Lists
at the same time!
Here's the SSL Secure URL for making your Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - What Listers Are Saying... |
Dear Listers,
First, I'd like say *thank you* to everyone that's already made a
Contribution to this year's List Fund Raiser! Thank you! If you haven't
already made a Contribution, won't you take a movement and show your
support for these valuable services? Since there's no advertising or other
forms of direct commercialism on the forums to support the Lists, its soley
YOUR GENEROSITY that keeps them running!!
Won't please take a minute and make a Contribution via the SSL secure web
site via Credit Card, Paypal, or personal check. Here's the URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
This year, I've been getting some *really* nice comments from Contributors
and I thought I'd pass along a few of them below. What does the List mean
to *you*?
Thank you for your support!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
_________________ What your fellow Listers are saying... _________________
...great service!!
Greg B.
They have been a great assistance to me in building my RV-8.
Kevin H.
...very much appreciated.
Donald M.
Great site...
Angus F.
...invaluable resource.
Ronald C
[The List] has played a big part in continuing my project at
those times when I got stuck for some reason.
Jeff D.
Although I am only a reader, I find the list very helpful.
Oswaldo F.
The lists are a fantastic resource and are helping me very much...
Kenyon B.
The list is part of my life.
Ron C.
The CD will free up some hard disk space on my personal PC.
Jeff D.
...unbelievably useful.
Dan O.
...dependable and valued source of builder information.
Jerry C.
My daily lifeline!
Owen B.
...frequently get questions answered on the List.
Billy W.
Don't know how any first-time builder could get by without the lists.
Rick R.
...great source of information and motivation.
Jef V.
Super resource!
David P.
The information presented is very helpful to the building process.
James B.
Wonderful Service!
Wendell D.
The lists are great!
F. Robert M.
...very valuable to this builder.
William C.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser Continues... |
Marie Murillo
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder this morning that we're well into this year's Email
List Fund Raiser. Response has been great so far and there has been a lot
of interest in the Gift options. Speaking of those Gifts, I received a
sample of the Jeppesen Flight Bag from Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com this weekend, and let me just say that this is
an extremely fine quality unit. Its very light, folds down into a very
small form for storage, and will hold a whole lot of your "pilot
stuff"! For a mere $50 List Contribution, one of these very nice bags
could be yours! You'll be the envy of all your friends.
Won't you make a Contribution today to support the these valuable Email
List Services? Please remember that its YOUR generosity that entirely
supports the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists. That's it - no
ads, no banners - just good clean fun; that is, with your support of course!
Please take a moment and make a generous Contribution today. It only takes
a minute using the newly redesigned Contribution Web Site where you can use
either a Credit Card, PayPal, or a Personal Check to make your donation.
The URL for the SSL Secure Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
And I'd like to say a special "thank you!" to everyone one who has made
Contribution so far this year!! I really appreciate your generosity!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Wow, I can't belive some of the nice things people have been saying about
the Lists in that little message box on the Contribution form! I've
included more of the great comments since the last WLAS. Thank you to
everyone that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!!
Have a look at some of your fellow members thoughts below and decide if the
Lists mean at least that much to you or perhaps even more...
Won't you take a moment and make a Contribution to support these
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, high-performance List
services? Its your direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that
enables all of these valuable services you've come to expect of the
Matronics Lists.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
=====================================================================
=================== What Listers Are Saying - II ====================
=====================================================================
I check this List 4 to 5 times a day...
-Bruce B.
These are without a doubt among the best managed
Lists to which I subscribe.
-Terry W.
Thank you for providing such a wonderful service.
-Roy W.
...fine service!
-Christopher A.
Best list on the Internet!
-Geroge A.
Great list with a host of features.
-David A.
Having built part of a kit... ...I know exactly how
much this list means to me and others.
-Curtis H.
As always... you've got a real cool & very useful
service going...
-Chuck R.
I shudder to think of the trouble I would have had
getting this project airborne without this list!
-Grant C.
...enjoy everyone's input.
-Doug P.
I read the [the List] every day...
-Ronald S.
Whenever I feel like not building on my day
off....I open my mail and the [the List] gets me
pumped and ready to hit it!
-Tom E.
The Digest Message subject list is an excellent
addition.
-Kevin S.
Certainly the [the List] has been a valuable source
for building support and advice, but there's another
benefit,... the wonderful friends that we meet and
keep for years and years!
-Fred H.
What a great forum to exchange ideas and info.
-Terry L.
The List is my daily RV fix.
-Neil H.
I always received comments and suggestions when
I requested them.
-Thomas G.
Best resource a builder could ever have. A daily
must!
-Robert C.
Thanks for your gift - these web sites!
-Tom P.
...great info.
-Richard W.
The List empowers all RV builders to achieve success...
-Mark G.
I've been reading the postings for a month now and
decided to take the plunge as a result of the
helpfulness and spirit of cooperation I observed.
-Tim P.
...invaluable service.
-Ford F.
I check in at least twice daily for my e-mail "Fix".
-John S.
Its worth every penny of my contribution.
-Paul M.
Wonderful web site and it keeps getting better.
-Jim H.
A valuable list which has certainly helped me.
-Andrew G.
...the List helps so many.
-Don J.
I really appreciate the site and find it interesting
to speak to people who are into this type of aircraft.
-Larry M.
This is a great recreation for me.
-Larry B.
[The List] keeps me up to date and provides a fantastic
resource for information.
-Terry F.
Lists are a great resource!
-Daniel S.
...great service and professional administration of
the Lists.
-Chris R.
I really appreciate the List.
-Edward O.
Worth every penny, and then some!
-Kenyon B.
...great service.
-Ralph H.
Your unselfish contribution to the experimental
aircraft movement is very much appreciated!
-Alex M.
Great help on the Aeroelectric list.
-Bruce B.
It helps on a daily basis.
-Tim G.
Thanks for providing this outstanding service to us!
-Michel T.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | LOC Coming Soon... |
Dear Listers,
This year's List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner. I'll be
posting the LOC on or about December 1. The List of Contributors is a
directory of everyone's name that made a Contribution during this year's
List Fund Raiser. Its kind of my way of publicly thanking everyone that so
generously made a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these Lists.
Support your Lists today and make sure that your name is on the upcoming
LOC! Your friends will be checking no doubt to see if YOU make your
Contribution because THEY did! :-)
Support Contribution Info - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Dear Listers,
I got to thinking today that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund
Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List
Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial
equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages online for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses. I am currently working on the additional ability to post and/or
reply directly from the List Browse interface. More on this upcoming
feature in the next week or so.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 9,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
50,000,000 (yes, that 50 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
We are quickly approaching the end of November and the official end of the
List Fund Raiser. If you look forward to checking your List email everyday
(and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably
getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each
year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or
even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to
you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount and get a
well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support
YOUR Lists.
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made
possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Free Gift Shipping Status... |
Dear Listers,
A couple of people have written asking what the shipping status was of
their free List Contribution Gifts. Seemed like some status was in order
and I thought I detail where we're at...
Flight Bag Requests
-------------------
On 11/20/02 I shipped out the first batch of Flight Bag-Only (FBO) gift
requests. I shipped all FBO gift requests I had received from 11/1 to
11/19 except for 3 (Sorry guys!) - I ran out of my first shipment flight
bags! Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com
) is supplying me with another batch flight bags which should arrive in
about 2 weeks.
By the way, these are REALLY nice Flight Bags. Extremely well built and
very professional looking. Folds down into a very small size, but will
hold a huge amount of stuff. If you fly, and you've got a lot of stuff,
they you WANT one of these guys. Surf over to the List Contribution page
for details on how to get one of your own!!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The Flight Bags have been shipped out US Mail Parcel Post in a large, and I
mean LARGE, padded white plastic envelope. According to the Post Office,
worse case delivery time would be 8 days to destinations on the East Coast,
but indicated it would likely take a lot less time.
Archive CDROM Requests
----------------------
The Archive CDROMs will be mastered and burned on or about December 1 and
should ship out shortly there after. Shipping will be US Mail, Media Rate
in a big padded white envelope. The Archive List data included will be up
to November 30th.
Flight Bag and Archive CDROM Requests
-------------------------------------
These combination orders will ship out when the Archive CDROMs are complete
as described above, likely a little after December 1. The Flight Bag and
the CDROM will be shipped together in the same Giant white padded envelope!
Again, I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore for providing
these awesome Flight Bags to support the List Fund Raiser. Andy has gone
way beyond the call of duty with regard to his support of the Lists this
year and to show your gratitude I would ask that you have a look at his web
site and great media offerings. You'll find some excellent deals on some
very useful material. http://www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution so far this year! Your generosity and kindness is greatly
appreciated. If you've been putting off making a Contribution, now's a
great time show your appreciation in plenty of time to make it onto this
year's List of Contributors AND get your free gift with qualifying
Contribution!!!
List Contribution Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution/
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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| Subject: | [ Marc Drake ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
| From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Marc Drake
Subject: My Two Projects...
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/drakerv@gte.net.11.23.2002/index.html
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o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE
Share your files and photos with other List members simply by
emailing the files to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text
Fields as shown along with your submission of files and photos.
o Main Photo Share Index:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
There are only a few days left until the November List of Contributors. I
thought I'd take another opportunity to pass along some of the really nice
things people have been saying recently about the Lists and how much they
mean to them.
If you receive value from the Lists in the form of ideas, assistance,
comradery, moral support, inspiration, or just plain 'ol good
entertainment, then won't take a moment to make a Contribution to support
the continued operation and upgrade of them?
Secure List Contribution Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
What does the List mean to you? Here's what some of your fellow
contributing List members have said...
------------------------- What Listers Are Saying -------------------------
Great service for aviation types like me.
Larry H
Best investment I've made.
Harley B
I've been on this list since around 1996 and used it to
help me finish my RV-6A three years ago. I'm still here
because I still learn from it and use it to help others
like me who may be where nobody else is building a RV.
Thanks for your service to our community. It's appreciated.
Jim S
[List] people are a great break away from politics, religion
and other sordid subjects.
Robert B
This site is a great confidence builder for the amateur builder.
Gene L
Great service!
Barry P
Very handy list to have, a good place for a beginner to
get great answers from those who already experienced it.
...sure enjoy reading it.
Joel R
...valuable service!
Chris & Indira K
This is the better than any morning paper - the best and
most frequent service that I use on the Internet. Great
job! This will make building the RV doable for me.
Pete E
I enjoy all of the ideas, suggestions and humor that comes
with this list. I don't think I could build my RV4 with
out everyone's help.
Ross S
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!
James W
The list is a great source of information, motivation,
entertainment, passionate debate, and light-hearted back
slapping. I wouldn't be without it.
Roger H
...would still be looking for plans to hook-up s-tec auto
pilot without your service!
David S
The new [digest] format is good.
Graham S
Great information you can't get anywhere else. Lots of nice
people who have "Been there...done that."
George D
My normal morning routine:
1 Kiss "the princess"
2 Good cup of coffee
3 Log onto "List"
A wonderful means of exchanging ideas, asking questions,
gathering information, and sharing experiences.
Robert G
Great lists. Not only are the lists professionally and efficiently
managed, but the *people* on the lists are very helpful, friendly
and fun to chat with. Thank you for this wonderful resource.
Ihab A
Thanks a million, well maybe not a million!!! (:
Ken H
I need this fix every morning or I get grumpy...
Wayne P
Very useful lists
Paul E
This communication medium that you created, nurtured and
continue to maintain is the best thing since AN rivets!
Jim J
The information I gleaned off the list has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
I've been a subscriber to varied lists for several years
now. The knowledge provided has been extremely useful
throughout.
David P
Enjoy everyone's input even though I am not a
builder...just a flyer.
Douglas P
Just laughin' and a scratchin'
Dennis N
It is a real asset and good for comic relief.
Ross S
I can't build my plane without your service!
Kent H
Great info on the lists!
Wesley H
I'm very new to the List but have already benefited
greatly.
Jim S
The "List" has been my best source for information
concerning my aviation projects. Besides, it also
brings a bunch of people together to share their
interests and knowledge. Thanks for providing a
state of the art, easy to use resource tool.
David A
I have saved a lot of grief and dollars from referencing
this site. It is truly an extension of Van's product
support.
Joseph C
Terrific asset this List is to the builder!
Scott J
Great service!
Tony B
Look forward to the list each and every day.
John B
I could not cope up here in this lonely island without
the help of the List and all the wonderful helpful
people that have the experience of aircraft building
and flying for fun.
Johann J
This list is part of my daily routine. I'm addicted.
Terry D
Great forum!
John H
This list is my main interest in the Internet.
George R
Great list. The best out there on any subject.
Kevin H
Been on the list since 1998 and I still look forward to
reading the list every day. A most valuable tool. I have
picked up many useful tips during the construction of
my RV-4.
Jerry I
Thanks for all of your hard work on the lists. It is
one of the reasons I bought a CJ-6A. Without the
Yak-list, I believe it would have been much more
difficult to get all the information that I need
for safe operation and maintenance of this fine
aircraft.
David L
The List has been an amazing source of useful
information. I consider it one of my best builder
tools.
Gunter M
An excellent channel of information. I have gained a
wealth of knowledge on both building and flying Kolb
aircraft.
Jim B
Enjoy the wealth of information that is shared.
Richard N
Fine service.
Beauford T
[The] List is the first stop of the day. Made lot of
friends from it.
Orie S
The information I gleaned off the List has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
Over the 3+ years that I have been building, I check it
several times each day. I have learned a lot of very
useful tips that have helped me in my building.
Richard D
Not only is it worth a contribution for the info gleaned
from it but the personalities alone are pure entertainment!
Stephen F
This is great stuff!!! Entertaining, too!! Fast answers
from those who really know...
Bob R
I am building an RV-9A and have received help from
the lists and occasionally been able to give help to
others.
Alden Van W
This list has saved me countless hours of work and worry
already, and I'm only halfway there! Undoubtedly the most
important aid I have yet found in this sometimes
intimidating process of building an aircraft.
Paul H
I've been a member since '96 and have learned so much from
the vast knowledge of the listers.
Gary Z
Outstanding List, exceptionally maintained.
David S
Thanks for all the improvements you've made this year. The
Photoshare feature definitely proves "one picture is worth
a thousand words".
Richard H
I finished my RV6A this year. It is a much better airplane
because of the help I found on the RV and Aeroelectric
Lists.
Dale W
Can't imagine building without the list.
Larry H
The list continues to be a great resource of information
and advice.
Jeff O
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Gift Selection Added - List Fund Raiser! [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I've just added a great new last minute Gift Selection to this year's List
Fund Raiser line up! I have a very limited number of sets of a wonderful
collection of Aircraft Technical books by Jeppesen entitled "The A&P
Technical Series Book Set". This is a great opportunity to make a generous
Contribution to support the Lists and walk away with a great set of
reference manuals at the same time.
This set of books normally retails for over $117 PLUS shipping, but you can
pick up your set AND make this year's List Contribution for a cool C-note -
that's a $100, by the way! :-) I'm thinking "Great Christmas Gift"...
There's more information on the books and making your Contribution at the
List Contribution web site:
Email List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
We're coming close to the official end of this year's List Fund Raiser and
if you haven't yet made your Contribution, there's still time get your name
on that List of Contributors! The percentage of contributors is kind of
low this year but I'm hoping many of you are just holding out until the
last minute!
I want to thank each and everyone of you that has already made a donation
to support the continued operation and upgrade of these List Services. As
I've mentioned in the past, running these Lists is a labor of love for me
and the hours upon hours of code development, system maintenance, and
upgrades are MY Contribution to support this great resource for Builders
and Flyer's alike. Won't your take a minute and make YOUR Contribution today?
I want to thank you for your support both during the Fund Raiser but also
throughout the year in the form of kind words and moral support. A nice
comment from a List member about how much the lists have helped them is
always a sure way to brighten my day!
Thank you to all!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ!] "What is my Contribution used for?" |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What is my Contribution used for?", and this is a valid
question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support
enables. It provides for the expensive, business-class, high-speed
Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and
minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular
system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance
possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List
Browser. It pays for 14+ years worth of online archive data available for
instant random access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing,
developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List
Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, and Photoshare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and
your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer
viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements
about these days? I will venture to say - next to none...
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable aspects
of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your List
Contribution. Its the best investment you can make in your Sport - BAR NONE!
Email List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
This is the last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser. Based on previous
year's percentages of Lister's making a Contribution, this year we are
nearly 40% behind the normal... And I thought all those great gifts would
eke the percentage up past the average a little. Oh well. Maybe people
just don't really mind the flashing banner ads for Viagra, and popups for
X10 minicams...
There's still plenty of time to get your name of the List of
Contributors. I'll probably publish the LOC on Monday night after I
process the checks from the Post Office.
I do want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so
far this year. Your support is greatly appreciated and is what makes the
Lists possible.
How to support your Lists this month: http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New List Digest Format!! |
Dear Listers,
I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your
thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of
proud of it, that is true... :-)
What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the
following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I
introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get
different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line
within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with a
HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only
version of the Digests.
I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the
Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual
posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will:
o Take you back to the Index
o Take you to the next post
o Take you to the previous post
o Allow you to respond to the LIST regarding the message
o Allow you to respond directly to the POSTER regarding the message
You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new
format! :-)
The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been
normally sent in line within the message.
You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they
can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future
reference.
Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!!
Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New, NEW List Digest Format... |
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | "Doug" <rvfltd(at)televar.com> |
| Subject: | virus found in your email?? |
My virus firewall came up with this message as containing a virus. Might check
it out.
Doug Sapp
From: warbird-list <warbird-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
Virus: Exploit-MIME.gen.b
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| From: | "Martini Luc J.R." <martini(at)foxinternet.net> |
| Subject: | AIC BOx, for Nam Era Warbird needed |
I have unsuccessfully been trying to IDENTIFY and ACQUIRE an AIC box for my warbird
(Israeli DROR (sparrow), an IAF modified Dornier Do27 by any other name).
The AIC box I am looking for, is similar to the C-737/AIC-4A Interphone box in
function. However, it has different connectors on the back (1 ea 10 pin and 1
ea 14 pin Cannon Plugs)
This AIC box would most likely be located on a Nam Era warbird since all the radios
installed by the IAF were of that era.
The box has 6 toggle switches. Three of these supply power to up to 3 radios (ARC-51,
ARC-131 & HF(?)). There is also a rotary switch, which selects the radio
being used to Transmit. There is also a Volume Control Knob, and possibly a
Tone Button. The other 3 Toggle Switches may select which RECEIVER HOMING signal
gets is hooked up to the Course Deviation Indicator.
I have some very bad old pictures of the box, as well as of the AIC-4A. So if
you think you know your AIC boxes, send me an e-mail and I will send those.
I should add, that the airplane also uses the AN/AIC-18 Intercom Boxes for crew
communications. Obviously, the AIC box I am looking for relates to Pilot Selections
of Transmit/Receive functions rather than Crew Intercom function which
is served by the AIC-18 boxes located at each crew station, including one for
the pilot.
Thanks for your help.
Luc Martini
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| From: | "Martini Luc J.R." <martini(at)foxinternet.net> |
| Subject: | My baby needs a new pair of SOCKS! |
The SOCKS I am referring to are the WINSLOW AEROFILTER CO. OIL FILTER CARTRIDGES.
The P/N for these, the ORIGINAL FULL FLOW oil filters, which have a cloth cover
(i.e.. the name SOCKS) is P/N 1AO586, or for the kit which includes a new seal
for the pressel and new nut for the Marmon Clamp, P/N A0286.
These cartridges are rather large: about 9 inches long, by 4 1/2 inches in Diameter...
obviously the pressure vessel they fit in is rather substantial also.
(if your not sure.. send an e-mail and I will send you a picture of one)
These oil filters were used on many military aircraft as well as STC'd for several
civilian birds, including:
Aerocommander 560, 690 and 720 series:
Beechcraft 50 and 65 series
Bell 47 and 476 series
Stearman 75's
Dornier Do28's
Hiller UH-12 helicopters
Most people have converted to spin-ons, so I am hoping that somebody out there
has a box full of these sitting in the corner of the hanger. If so, I will gladly
take them off your hands.
Or, if you know of somebody that may, let them know I'm interested, or just send
me an e-mail and instructions to get hold of them.
Thanks for the help
Luc Martini
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| From: | "Martini Luc J.R." <martini(at)foxinternet.net> |
| Subject: | 4 pack (IR Flare launcher) TO-GO Please! |
I am looking for a 4 TUBE IR Countermeasures Flare Launcher. Each tube appears
to be about 3 1/2 inches in diameter, and closely spaced like in a 6 pack of
beer. The flares were electrically fired (since I found 4 wires leading from
a Fire Control / Sequencer panel on the Copilot Radio stack thad led to the 4
big holes in the side of the fuselage where the launcher was mounted..
I have not been able to identify much less acquire one of these. The airplanes
were taken out of service in the early 1980's, so they predate that.
The Fire Control / Sequencer box, oddly was about the width of a CIVIL radio, not
the 5 3/4inch standard military panel.
I have some bad old pictures of what the Fire-Control / Sequencer box looks like,
so if you have some ideas, drop a line, and I will send a picture.
Thanks again
Luc Martini
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| From: | "Troll Penis" <trollpenis(at)usa.com> |
I am looking to buy a warbird.
I have a total of 200 hours, about 30 in a Pitts tailwheel.
What are the pros and cons about the following:
1. T-6
2. Sea Fury
3. T-28
I know the T-28 is a tricycle gear, so any grandma could land it. The others are
taildraggers.
Are these aircraft easily worked on? Can a reputable mechanic be found (I live
in So. Cal) to do repairs? Are there any issues I should know about re: these
aircraft?
Thanks
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MIME_EXCESSIVE_QP,
SUBJECT_IS_LIST(at)matronics.com
I'm not a warbird owner, but my understanding is that the Sea Fury is a
pretty speedy aircraft, and quite a bit different from the other
trainers you mentioned - remember it was a fighter. I have worked with
them in Reno, and know one person who owns (or used to own) a Sea Fury.
Things happen pretty fast in them, and I think it would be easy to get
behind the aircraft with only 200 hours of flight time. I don't have any
direct experience on maintenance costs, but I have always been partial
to the T-6's. There seems to be plenty of people who work on them, and
plenty of parts. The T-6's put on a good show at Reno since they are so
similar in performance. Good luck in your quest!
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: Troll Penis [mailto:trollpenis(at)usa.com]
Subject: Warbird-List: Why
I am looking to buy a warbird.
I have a total of 200 hours, about 30 in a Pitts tailwheel. What are the
pros and cons about the following: 1. T-6 2. Sea Fury 3. T-28
I know the T-28 is a tricycle gear, so any grandma could land it. The
others are taildraggers.
Are these aircraft easily worked on? Can a reputable mechanic be found
(I live in So. Cal) to do repairs? Are there any issues I should know
about re: these aircraft?
Thanks
--
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| From: | "Reuben Sangrio" <sangrio(at)mail.com> |
Todd,
I pray that you were drinking when you wrote this. Are you nuts? Here you are,
giving advice to someone with 200 hours about flying ANY Warbird. You should be
ashamed of yourself for even condoning this. We obviously have a mis-guided
millionaire here and you are going to be a part of convincing him that he is the
exception and can fly a warbird with 200 hours.
I think you are either ignorant or a complete asshole. Lets say he crashes his
new T-6 into a park, killing innocent civilians; it would be another blow to GA,
especially sport GA. YOU would be directly responsible in my book!Way to help
kill GA fo all of us.
Not Warm Regards,
Reuben Sangrio
Yak 52
Canyon Lake, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Wenzel" <TWenzel@heartland-software.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:25:47 -0600
SPAM_PHRASE_01_02(at)matronics.com, SUBJECT_IS_LIST(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Warbird-List: Why
I'm not a warbird owner, but my understanding is that the Sea Fury is a
pretty speedy aircraft, and quite a bit different from the other
trainers you mentioned - remember it was a fighter. I have worked with
them in Reno, and know one person who owns (or used to own) a Sea Fury.
Things happen pretty fast in them, and I think it would be easy to get
behind the aircraft with only 200 hours of flight time. I don't have any
direct experience on maintenance costs, but I have always been partial
to the T-6's. There seems to be plenty of people who work on them, and
plenty of parts. The T-6's put on a good show at Reno since they are so
similar in performance. Good luck in your quest!
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: Troll Penis [mailto:trollpenis(at)usa.com]
Subject: Warbird-List: Why
I am looking to buy a warbird.
I have a total of 200 hours, about 30 in a Pitts tailwheel. What are the
pros and cons about the following: 1. T-6 2. Sea Fury 3. T-28
I know the T-28 is a tricycle gear, so any grandma could land it. The
others are taildraggers.
Are these aircraft easily worked on? Can a reputable mechanic be found
(I live in So. Cal) to do repairs? Are there any issues I should know
about re: these aircraft?
Thanks
--
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
--
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well, I am an aviation enthusiast, and was wondering if there is anyone close
to Atlanta that needs an extra pair of hands helping in working or restoring
a plane, email me....
I would like to spend some time doing this...
I hope its not too weird of a request..
Thanks
jack
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| From: | Kysh <vans-dragon(at)lapdragon.org> |
As Reuben Sangrio was saying:
>
> Todd,
You fellows do realize that you're replying to someone by the unfortunate name
of 'Troll Penis', do you not?
-Kysh
--
| 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying |
| CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr |
| 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang |
| Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ |
| KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham |
| Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kysh <vans-dragon(at)lapdragon.org> |
As JSujo(at)aol.com was saying:
>
> well, I am an aviation enthusiast, and was wondering if there is anyone close
> to Atlanta that needs an extra pair of hands helping in working or restoring
> a plane, email me....
Or me, in the SF bay area.
(Yeah, I know, it's a pipe-dream, but hey...)
-Kysh
--
| 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying |
| CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr |
| 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang |
| Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ |
| KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham |
| Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Janet" <talewis(at)attbi.com> |
The Yak List just dumped a trol that looks very much like this one..
I recomend you don't respond, just deleat. These nuts go away when you
don't respond..
Terry Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: Kysh <vans-dragon(at)lapdragon.org>
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: request
>
> As JSujo(at)aol.com was saying:
> >
> > well, I am an aviation enthusiast, and was wondering if there is anyone
close
> > to Atlanta that needs an extra pair of hands helping in working or
restoring
> > a plane, email me....
>
> Or me, in the SF bay area.
>
> (Yeah, I know, it's a pipe-dream, but hey...)
>
> -Kysh
> --
> | 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying |
> | CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr |
> | 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang |
> | Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ |
> | KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham |
> | Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Confirm who you are designating a troll....By the inclusion of my request, I
assume you mean me?
jack
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Janet" <talewis(at)attbi.com> |
Not So Jack,
Check the yak list for an update. You are not a suspect. Please continue to
to talk to us. We have a problem with a nut
and will work it out. Again I am sure you don't know anything about this
problem , we will work it out very soon.
Terry Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: <JSujo(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: request
>
> Confirm who you are designating a troll....By the inclusion of my request,
I
> assume you mean me?
>
> jack
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "matsuhisa bigdong" <matsuhisa(at)japan.com> |
YES, Jack. You are the troll!!!!!!!
-Matsuhisa
----- Original Message -----
From: JSujo(at)aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:11:43 EST
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: request
Confirm who you are designating a troll....By the inclusion of my request, I
assume you mean me?
jack
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
He also appeared on the Acro list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet" <talewis(at)attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Warbird-List: request
>
> The Yak List just dumped a trol that looks very much like this one..
> I recomend you don't respond, just deleat. These nuts go away when you
> don't respond..
> Terry Lewis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kysh <vans-dragon(at)lapdragon.org>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Warbird-List: request
>
>
> >
> > As JSujo(at)aol.com was saying:
> > >
> > > well, I am an aviation enthusiast, and was wondering if there is
anyone
> close
> > > to Atlanta that needs an extra pair of hands helping in working or
> restoring
> > > a plane, email me....
> >
> > Or me, in the SF bay area.
> >
> > (Yeah, I know, it's a pipe-dream, but hey...)
> >
> > -Kysh
> > --
> > | 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying |
> > | CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr |
> > | 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang |
> > | Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ |
> > | KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham |
> > | Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ |
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
warbird-list(at)matronics.com, cessna-list(at)matronics.com
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | My Apologies for Recent List Mis-Use... |
Dear Listers,
My apologies for the mis-use and abusive language by a recent subscriber to
the Lists. I have again blocked this fellow from posting, but I'm sure
he'll try subscribing again as some other address. I will try to stay on
top of the List traffic and block at the first sign of mis-use. Feel free
to email me directly at support(at)matronics.com if you see further incidents.
Here's our best defense against this fellow:
DO NOT RESPOND TO ANYTHING HE POSTS.
I will continue to try to filter as quickly as possible. Please remember,
as the List Administrator, I am asking everyone on the Lists to NOT respond
to this fellow under any circumstances.
I have unsubscribed his current two email addresses, and blocked any posts
with these email addresses included.
Again, my apologies.
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
Don Henley
Long Way Home, 1982
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement... |
Dear Listers,
Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a
"total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page,
and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think
many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin...
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! |
Dear Listers,
I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the 1.5Mb
T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line
and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over
connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished
some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and
interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised!
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
Please see the attached zip file for details.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <phil(at)petrasoft.net> |
Please see the attached zip file for details.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <vwyoung(at)comcast.net> |
Please see the attached zip file for details.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this
evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes
in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming
email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent
to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-)
The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses
each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely
effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its
time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
solution.
I will post a follow up message later in the week when things
have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems |
For Some Members...?
Dear Listers,
Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the
excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List
Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email
messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and
reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed great!
While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new
appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are being
blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn
through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages
trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked.
If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM
filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will
allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use
email. If the SPAM filter is blocking your email address for some reason,
then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email
regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming email
and directs your message directly to me.
Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you
are having including any bounced email or email error messages that you may
have received back in regard to your posts to the lists. The more
information I have about the email you are sending and what the errors you
are receiving, the better chance I'll have in hunting down the problem.
The Trouble Report Website URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report/
I apologize for any inconvenience the SPAM filter may be causing you. I
will work toward resolving your issues as quickly as possible.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! |
Hi Listers!
A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to
download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer
or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest
Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come
up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download
website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the
yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
try you browser because it'll probably just work.
Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be
accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom
of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat
Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address
in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other
Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat
rooms as "MattDralle".
There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer
and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control
Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other
things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be
treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when
someone sends a message.
The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window
from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like.
Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome
new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this
List's specific Chat Room!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show how much traffic
the Lists generated this year alone:
* 11/01/2002 - 10/31/2003
o Web server hits: 10,446,780 (870,565/mo)
o Incoming Email Posts: 58,918 (4,909/mo)
List-related upgrades this year have been plentiful, and List performance
has substantially improved as a result. Upgrades and enhancements this
year have included:
* Internet Connection upgrade to a full, commercial-grade T1 Line!
* New Web Server platform - Dual 3Ghz Xeon with 2Gb Ram and U320 SCSI!
* Upgrade of Email Server platform - Dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon with 1Gb Ram!
* All new SPAM Filtering Appliance - filters about 98% of the unwanted SPAM!
* All new, web-base List Chat Room society!
As you can well imagine, this year's upgrades translate into a fair amount
of cash outlay on my part and this annual List Fund Raiser is the sole
means by which I fund these upgrades. Unlike most of the other "list
servers" on the Web these days, I have a strict
*no-commercial-advertisement policy* on the Matronics Lists and associated
List web sites. I was again approached by a number of vendors recently
with advertising deals that have been very tempting. My commitment to
providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment prevailed,
however! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year, with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks.
My goal with the Matronics List Service is to provide all members
with a commercial-free, virus-free, and high-performance system
with which the may share information, ideas, and camaraderie.
The best news this year is that, with the gracious help of Andy Gold and
The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I have been able
to significantly expand the lineup of fantastic Gift offers to support the
List Fund Raiser! In all, there are eight awesome free gifts this year
ranging from List Archive CD's to Flight Computers with qualifying
Contribution levels. Those great Jeppesen Flight Bags that were so popular
last year are even back! A special thanks goes out to Andy Gold again this
year for his very kind and generous support of the Lists. Thanks Andy, for
these great incentives!!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR thoughtful and generous support!
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a personal check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as information
on the various methods of payment. Contributions in the $20, $30, $50,
$75, and $100 range are common. The Contribution web page is kind of long
this year with the details of each of the gifts, so please scroll all the
way down!
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this year! Your
Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mark Schrick" <schrick(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Un-subscribe from Warbird-List |
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