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U50D - Has a 1-bit DAC
210EQ - Has tri 20-bit burr brown DACs
4000x - Has quad 24-bit Crystal DACs
C910 - Has dual 20-bit burr brown DACs
C90 - Has dual 20-Bit burr brown DACs
The 4000x is by far the best DSP but the 210 is still good and worth having.
I would prefer a 4000x but can't find one for sale at a decent price.
Colin
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| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Major Trouble |
>
>I just went through that decision-making process (whether to move to the
>c90
>or stay with the c910). I decided to stay with the c-910 and buy a backup
>unit. I just bought my backup off ebay. Anyway, can anyone make a
>persuasive argument for the c90. Other than cosmetic preference, what can
>the c90 do that the c910 cannot do?
On my list of thing the C90 does over the C910 I also forgot to mention one
other small detail. I believe the C90 has "D.Info" mode for the display
(but I'm not 100% sure).
Anyhow what D.Info (Dual Info) mode for the display does is that in the
upper left corner of the display, when D.Info is on that part of the display
will show the time. This way you get the CD playing time on the screen and
the real time at once. The C910 displays only
"CD","CD1","CD2","CDx","MD1","MDx","FM1","AM", etc. in that area to display
the current source. With D.Info you swap out the current source indication
for the current time instead.
I'm not 100% sure if the C90 has this and if it does how it works. On most
units that had D.Info ther was only one line of display. On that line you
can either have CD Time or CD Text title or MD Time or Title or CustomFile
title. The time or source appears in the left corner depending on the
selection of D.Info. The C910 and XR-C900 had 2-line displays but no D.Info
(or CD-Text). One line was for the Custom file title and the other for CD
time, as I remember it. The left corner displayed the current source only.
There was no way to have the time and the CD-Time/CustomFile displayed
simultaneously.
If the C90 has two lines and D.Info, then you could have CD/MD Time and one
of CustomFile or CD/MD Text displayed at the same time PLUS the current time
in the corner. Is that how it is on the C90? Two lines plus D.Info? Or is
it just one line with D.Info?
Also the last little thing I noted was the A.Scrl function (only for MD
titles since the C910/XR-C900 had no CD-Text support). On the C910 the
A.Scrl (Auto Scroll) feature is pretty useless. On later units it wasn't
much better but was a LITTLE better.
On the C910 MD text titles will scroll ONCE and then stop. However it ONLY
scrolls when you MANUALLY change the track (i.e. you hit the AMS FWD/REV)!
If the track changes through normal playback, the title does NOT scroll even
with A.Scrl "ON"! With it off it NEVER scrolls automatically!
The later units (incl. C90) improved on it a BIT. The title will scroll
whenever the track changes whether it happens through the course of
listening or manually by using AMS. This is with A.Scrl on. Again, though
it only scrolls ONCE then stops. (Subsequent scrollings you have to hit
menu and then manually hit scroll.) With it off it will never scroll
automatically just like the C910.
Both are dumb because I think the text should continually scroll like it
does on Sony MD portables as well as other manufacturer's HUs with text
displays.
Oh well that's the rest of the stuff I thought of. If you think these are
"details", believe me after you use a deck every day you get to know every
little feature it has (and doesn't have) and what your "new deck" has that
the "old one" didn't and vice versa! :D
Roland M.
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| From: | "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | looking for XA-U40D |
I am looking for a XA-U40D digital multi changer adapter
I would appreciate if anyone interested in selling it would let me know.
thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Major Trouble |
i want to sell as a whole part if i sell both of them- kinda like making a
sandwich , w/out your favorite toping!
lol
let me know
tim koehle
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| Subject: | Re: Major Trouble |
In a message dated 3/25/03 3:03:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dbotel6500(at)rogers.com writes:
> I'll bite.
>
> What's a PQ 20? :-)
>
> >P.S. How are the PQ 20's doing? :)
damn, i thought it was you..... an older A/D/S amp........ someone on the
list was possibly going to sell me one or trade me for a PH 15.............
sorry :)
Dan
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| From: | "Eli A." <ea62(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: looking for XA-U40D |
I have one, I'm not selling it, although I can give advice how I found mine. They
are extremely hard to find. They retailed for about $300 (U.S.) when they were
new. I emailed everyone on Ebay who was selling Mobile ES systems. After 2
months someone responded. I will see if I can locate one for you.
Eli
From: "ToR" <CALCULATHOR(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: looking for XA-U40D
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:27:30 -0500
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "ToR"
I am looking for a XA-U40D digital multi changer adapter
I would appreciate if anyone interested in selling it would let me know.
thanks
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| From: | "Bobby" <mrblackc(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Major Trouble |
Hey now, as shameful as it is that Sony continues to make Xplod units, it
isn't necessary to try to tie them to older units like the 4000x. The X in
XDP stands for eXternal Digital Processor, not Xplod. The 210 eq was around
years before Xplod, and it's model number is XDP-210eq.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Major Trouble
>
> >From: Daniel Botelho <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Major Trouble
> >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:07:22 -0500
> >
> >Sure, if you were listening to music, you would not hear the hiss. This
> >is a given. However, when you spend $400-800
> >on some audio gear that has ultra-clean specs that aren't, that's a
> >crime. If I wanted hiss, I'd buy an xplod unit... :-)
> >
> >My 2 cents,
> >
> >Colin (DP Motorsport) wrote:
> >
>
> Ha! :D As I always like to point out, the XDP-4000X IS and Xplod unit! :D
> That is what the "X" is there for. I see your point and everything, but
> this was just a little humour :)
>
> Roland M.
>
>
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| From: | owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | XDP - C910 combo for sale |
I am trying to sale my combo; it is composed of a brand new XDP-4000X (never used,
just tested) and a very well used CDX-C910 (bought it as it is and tested
it, works perfect).
I am trying to get U$S 500 for the whole package + shipment.
The only "problem" is that I live in Argentina and the shipment wouldn=B4t be the
cheapest one; also there could be some sort of import taxes for the buyer to
pay (must be found out for the buyer itself as it should be payed (in the case
is is necessary) once it gets to destiny).
If anyone is interested, please let me know.
-Eduardo Leston
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| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
Very very interested buddy!!!! but i have a CDX-C910 at the moment so am not
too keen on taking that but if needs must. I am in the UK so shipping is
going to be a lot for me anyway as I can't find any forsale in the UK and will
need to go to the US anyway.
Let me know what you think. If you have MSN can we chat on that about this as
i really want it. My e-mail address is col.s(at)tinyworld.co.uk which is also
used for MSN.
Colin
Quoting owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com:
>
> I am trying to sale my combo; it is composed of a brand new XDP-4000X (never
> used, just tested) and a very well used CDX-C910 (bought it as it is and
> tested it, works perfect).
>
>
> I am trying to get U$S 500 for the whole package + shipment.
>
> The only "problem" is that I live in Argentina and the shipment wouldn=B4t be
> the cheapest one; also there could be some sort of import taxes for the buyer
> to pay (must be found out for the buyer itself as it should be payed (in the
> case is is necessary) once it gets to destiny).
>
> If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>
>
> -Eduardo Leston
>
>
>
>
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Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/
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| Subject: | XDP - C910 combo for sale |
Please contact me as soon as possible.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]
Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP - C910 combo for sale
I am trying to sale my combo; it is composed of a brand new XDP-4000X (never
used, just tested) and a very well used CDX-C910 (bought it as it is and
tested it, works perfect).
I am trying to get U$S 500 for the whole package + shipment.
The only "problem" is that I live in Argentina and the shipment wouldn=B4t
be the cheapest one; also there could be some sort of import taxes for the
buyer to pay (must be found out for the buyer itself as it should be payed
(in the case is is necessary) once it gets to destiny).
If anyone is interested, please let me know.
-Eduardo Leston
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| Subject: | c-90+4000x for sale |
got both of mine up for grabs
$1000.00 + shipping
both are in prestine order- and have never been used
tim koehle
419-514-5839
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| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: looking for XA-U40D |
>
>I am looking for a XA-U40D digital multi changer adapter
>I would appreciate if anyone interested in selling it would let me know.
>thanks
Put it this way, if you can find one in North America, it will be a definite
accomplishment!
I have seen two on eBay in all time. The first time I saw one it was pretty
banged up and sold "as-is" but it probably still worked. It went for pretty
cheap too. I don't know why I never bought it :( The other one was
recently on eBay but it was a part of a package with a HU (I think it was a
C90) and an XDP (I think it was a 210EQ) so the price was pretty up there.
The XA-U40D are pretty rare and they stopped making them a long time ago.
They never made an XA-C30"D" which is ashame, but I guess they were thinking
that not many people bought XA-U40Ds--perhaps because there weren't many
made or perhaps there weren't many made because no one wanted one. After
all, back in those days a CD changer with optical out like the CDX-91 was a
pretty penny. Even the CDX-805 carried a hefty retail when it was first
released...
As a side note, the XA-U40 (non-digital, hence no "D") was also produced as
the Blaupunkt "CDC-BRIDGE". I don't think there was ever a Blau clone to
the U40D though, because the Blau units that were UniLink based never
supported DSPs.
Roland M.
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| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Major Trouble |
>
>Hey now, as shameful as it is that Sony continues to make Xplod units, it
>isn't necessary to try to tie them to older units like the 4000x. The X in
>XDP stands for eXternal Digital Processor, not Xplod. The 210 eq was
>around
>years before Xplod, and it's model number is XDP-210eq.
>
>Bobby
Actually I knew that XDP meant something like that (I was actually thinking
eXternal Data Processor), but that wasn't the "X" I was talking about!!! It
is the X at the END of 4000X! Where did THAT come from?!?
The "D" in XDP-U50D simply meant it was digital as it was either the first
or of the first full digital domain XDP units (A/D conversion not required).
The "EQ" in XDP-210EQ and XDP-766EQ means exactly that, because they also
have an EQ within them. The "X" in 4000X has no other meaning. Sony never
used it before Xplod and the majority of Xplod units have the X at the end
of the model number. That's what I was saying.
Roland M.
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| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
>From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP - C910 combo for sale
>Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:13:12 -0300
>
>
>I am trying to sale my combo; it is composed of a brand new XDP-4000X
>(never used, just tested) and a very well used CDX-C910 (bought it as it is
>and tested it, works perfect).
>
>
>I am trying to get U$S 500 for the whole package + shipment.
>
>The only "problem" is that I live in Argentina and the shipment wouldn=B4t
>be the cheapest one; also there could be some sort of import taxes for the
>buyer to pay (must be found out for the buyer itself as it should be payed
>(in the case is is necessary) once it gets to destiny).
>
>If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>
>
>-Eduardo Leston
>
$500 US is a pretty decent deal for a brand new XDP-4kX, IMO and including
the CDX-C910 at the same price is like a bonus...
I guess there is the extra shipping and possible duties/taxes but the good
price might make up for it.
Personally, I'm not looking to buy a 4000X right now, but if I were I'd be
looking into the shipping costs and possible duties!
Roland M.
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Eduardo, my brother is travelling to Buenos Aires at the end of April,,,if
there is a chance you can hold on till then, I will buy it and have him bring
it himself...
let me know
Jack (jsujo(at)aol.com)
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| From: | owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
Thanks Roland; I managed to buy it at a very decent price and really dont
want to start buying accesories from the US because it gets too expensive
(electric to optical adapter...).
-Eduardo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XDP - C910 combo for sale
>From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP - C910 combo for sale
>Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:13:12 -0300
>
>
>I am trying to sale my combo; it is composed of a brand new XDP-4000X
>(never used, just tested) and a very well used CDX-C910 (bought it as it is
>and tested it, works perfect).
>
>
>I am trying to get U$S 500 for the whole package + shipment.
>
>The only "problem" is that I live in Argentina and the shipment wouldn=B4t
>be the cheapest one; also there could be some sort of import taxes for the
>buyer to pay (must be found out for the buyer itself as it should be payed
>(in the case is is necessary) once it gets to destiny).
>
>If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>
>
>-Eduardo Leston
>
$500 US is a pretty decent deal for a brand new XDP-4kX, IMO and including
the CDX-C910 at the same price is like a bonus...
I guess there is the extra shipping and possible duties/taxes but the good
price might make up for it.
Personally, I'm not looking to buy a 4000X right now, but if I were I'd be
looking into the shipping costs and possible duties!
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XDP - C910 combo for sale |
I'm buying the XDP-4000x
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XDP - C910 combo for sale
Thanks Roland; I managed to buy it at a very decent price and really dont
want to start buying accesories from the US because it gets too expensive
(electric to optical adapter...).
-Eduardo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XDP - C910 combo for sale
>From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP - C910 combo for sale
>Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:13:12 -0300
>
>
>I am trying to sale my combo; it is composed of a brand new XDP-4000X
>(never used, just tested) and a very well used CDX-C910 (bought it as it is
>and tested it, works perfect).
>
>
>I am trying to get U$S 500 for the whole package + shipment.
>
>The only "problem" is that I live in Argentina and the shipment wouldn=B4t
>be the cheapest one; also there could be some sort of import taxes for the
>buyer to pay (must be found out for the buyer itself as it should be payed
>(in the case is is necessary) once it gets to destiny).
>
>If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>
>
>-Eduardo Leston
>
$500 US is a pretty decent deal for a brand new XDP-4kX, IMO and including
the CDX-C910 at the same price is like a bonus...
I guess there is the extra shipping and possible duties/taxes but the good
price might make up for it.
Personally, I'm not looking to buy a 4000X right now, but if I were I'd be
looking into the shipping costs and possible duties!
Roland M.
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| From: | "Bobby" <mrblackc(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Major Trouble |
Yeah, I got that point after I finished the email. First of all, we all
know that the 4000x is not an Xplod original. It was made way before the
Xplod campaign was even dreamt of in a nightmare. Lets take a look at the
model XDP-210EQ. The XDP portion is pretty self explanatory, the 210 mainly
being noted as identification of the model, and the EQ portion designating
that it is in fact an EQ. Now, looking at the XDP-4000X I see the same XDP
notation that it is an external digital processor, the 4000 signifying the
model, and as carefully as I look at the X, I'd have to say that it
signifies possibly that it is a crossover, which a large part of it is, a 4
channel one. It's just common sense that the final X in the model number
was not placed there to signify any ties or relation to the Xplod family.
If it had, the 4000X would probably have never even been thought of, or ever
produced, since we all know of the level of quality of all Xplod, (non ES)
units. Crap, all cheap crap. Anyone else have any ideas, I don't even like
to think of my 4000x having any ties to the Xplod family other than the
color of the box, and that's hard enough to deal with in the first place. I
know where the 4000x came from, it was from the engineers of the original
Elevated Standard line of products. What was Sony thinking?!!
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Major Trouble
>
> >
> >Hey now, as shameful as it is that Sony continues to make Xplod units, it
> >isn't necessary to try to tie them to older units like the 4000x. The X
in
> >XDP stands for eXternal Digital Processor, not Xplod. The 210 eq was
> >around
> >years before Xplod, and it's model number is XDP-210eq.
> >
> >Bobby
>
> Actually I knew that XDP meant something like that (I was actually
thinking
> eXternal Data Processor), but that wasn't the "X" I was talking about!!!
It
> is the X at the END of 4000X! Where did THAT come from?!?
>
> The "D" in XDP-U50D simply meant it was digital as it was either the first
> or of the first full digital domain XDP units (A/D conversion not
required).
> The "EQ" in XDP-210EQ and XDP-766EQ means exactly that, because they
also
> have an EQ within them. The "X" in 4000X has no other meaning. Sony
never
> used it before Xplod and the majority of Xplod units have the X at the end
> of the model number. That's what I was saying.
>
> Roland M.
>
>
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| From: | "Bobby" <mrblackc(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
It's not too bad of a deal at all, including a working c910, but then again
Shipping and Customs charges would probably put away any option of most
people acting on this deal. I know that I paid $500.00 for my 4000x off of
Ebay, and the unit was brand new with warranty, Shipping was $15.00.
Unfortunately, unless someone interested lives a little closer to South
America, or plans on taking a trip, it probably isn't the best deal out
there. But, I know when I found my 4000x on Ebay, I was having a hell of a
time finding one anywhere, I would've paid the full $1200.00 for it, and I
was ready to in my bidding too! Guess I got lucky!
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XDP - C910 combo for sale
>
> >From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP - C910 combo for sale
> >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:13:12 -0300
> >
> >
> >I am trying to sale my combo; it is composed of a brand new XDP-4000X
> >(never used, just tested) and a very well used CDX-C910 (bought it as it
is
> >and tested it, works perfect).
> >
> >
> >I am trying to get U$S 500 for the whole package + shipment.
> >
> >The only "problem" is that I live in Argentina and the shipment
wouldn=B4t
> >be the cheapest one; also there could be some sort of import taxes for
the
> >buyer to pay (must be found out for the buyer itself as it should be
payed
> >(in the case is is necessary) once it gets to destiny).
> >
> >If anyone is interested, please let me know.
> >
> >
> >-Eduardo Leston
> >
>
> $500 US is a pretty decent deal for a brand new XDP-4kX, IMO and including
> the CDX-C910 at the same price is like a bonus...
>
> I guess there is the extra shipping and possible duties/taxes but the good
> price might make up for it.
>
> Personally, I'm not looking to buy a 4000X right now, but if I were I'd be
> looking into the shipping costs and possible duties!
>
> Roland M.
>
>
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| From: | "Patrick Freeland" <ultra_19(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | I may be selling my combo |
I am planning on selling my 4000x, C-90, XA-300 adapter, and 10 disc changer
(I forget the changer model, but it is the last mobile es changer with
digital output). If anyone is interested in buying these IN COMBINATION, I
would love to talk to you. I also will include an additional optical
connector (FOR THE BACK OF THE C-90), 1 digital cable, the original boxes
and manuals, the original DSC program on data disk, and a 20 ft. serial
cable (sorry no laptop). I will sell this for $2000.00 even. And I can't
go any lower. If interested, call me at 561 379-5336. I thought I would
throw this out there to you guys before ebay. The only reason I'm selling
this is because I am getting the Alpine F1 staus processor and HU
Patrick Freeland
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| From: | Stamatis Kiriazis <stami(at)her.forthnet.gr> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
Hi Colin!
I still have one XDP-4000 for Sale.
I'm in Greece.
Very good condition. I sell it for 350 Euros.
Maybe you want it.
Stamatis
stami(at)her.forthnet.gr
colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk wrote:
>
> Very very interested buddy!!!! but i have a CDX-C910 at the moment so am not
> too keen on taking that but if needs must. I am in the UK so shipping is
> going to be a lot for me anyway as I can't find any forsale in the UK and will
> need to go to the US anyway.
>
> Let me know what you think. If you have MSN can we chat on that about this as
> i really want it. My e-mail address is col.s(at)tinyworld.co.uk which is also
> used for MSN.
>
> Colin
>
> Quoting owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com:
>
> >
> > I am trying to sale my combo; it is composed of a brand new XDP-4000X (never
> > used, just tested) and a very well used CDX-C910 (bought it as it is and
> > tested it, works perfect).
> >
> >
> > I am trying to get U$S 500 for the whole package + shipment.
> >
> > The only "problem" is that I live in Argentina and the shipment wouldn=B4t
be
> > the cheapest one; also there could be some sort of import taxes for the buyer
> > to pay (must be found out for the buyer itself as it should be payed (in the
> > case is is necessary) once it gets to destiny).
> >
> > If anyone is interested, please let me know.
> >
> >
> > -Eduardo Leston
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/
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| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
does anyone have a face plate that they would like to part with for a CDX
C910?? I'd even take an XR-C900 as well........ mine isn't the greatest....
and either would work well....... The volume control switch on mine sheet the
bed and i tried in vain 4 times to get the correct part from sony to
re-solder it to the board.... they sent me 4 different WRONG parts and i gave
up.......... any help would be appreciated.......thanks
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
>From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
>
>does anyone have a face plate that they would like to part with for a CDX
>C910?? I'd even take an XR-C900 as well........ mine isn't the
>greatest....
>and either would work well....... The volume control switch on mine sheet
>the
>bed and i tried in vain 4 times to get the correct part from sony to
>re-solder it to the board.... they sent me 4 different WRONG parts and i
>gave
>up.......... any help would be appreciated.......thanks
>
>Dan
>
I have an XR-C900 that is in excellent condition. It has everything
included EXCEPT the box, wireless remote, and the misc. 10 cent screws that
would come with a new unit. It does have the wired remote which is new and
unused. There is a VERY small amount of COSMETIC wear on the rubbery
coating on the rotary encoder knob, but other than that it is like new.
I have been meaning to sell it on eBay but I've never got around to it as of
yet.
I wouldn't be able to sell the FP alone (because that would make the HU
almost worthless), but I am interested in selling the whole thing.
If you (or anyone else) is interested, I'm thinking about $120 US shipped
(to the US or Canada) for it. I guess that isn't the best thing for you
since you only need the FP, but you could always install the HU in a
different car and then share the FP between the two...
(The only difference in the FPs by the way, as you might know, is that the
C900's FP doesn't say "ESP" or have the compact disc official "symbol". It
also says "Dolby B-C NR" on it whereas the C910 obviously wouldn't.)
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Botelho <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
Heh...Come to think of it, I *almost* bought the XRC-900 during my cassette
phase...It was a tough decision, but I'm glad I made the right choice.
It would be nice if you could run both though...that was a sweet deck!
Daniel
Roland M wrote:
>
>
>
>>From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
>>
>>does anyone have a face plate that they would like to part with for a CDX
>>C910?? I'd even take an XR-C900 as well........ mine isn't the
>>greatest....
>>and either would work well....... The volume control switch on mine sheet
>>the
>>bed and i tried in vain 4 times to get the correct part from sony to
>>re-solder it to the board.... they sent me 4 different WRONG parts and i
>>gave
>>up.......... any help would be appreciated.......thanks
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>
>
>I have an XR-C900 that is in excellent condition. It has everything
>included EXCEPT the box, wireless remote, and the misc. 10 cent screws that
>would come with a new unit. It does have the wired remote which is new and
>unused. There is a VERY small amount of COSMETIC wear on the rubbery
>coating on the rotary encoder knob, but other than that it is like new.
>
>I have been meaning to sell it on eBay but I've never got around to it as of
>yet.
>
>I wouldn't be able to sell the FP alone (because that would make the HU
>almost worthless), but I am interested in selling the whole thing.
>
>If you (or anyone else) is interested, I'm thinking about $120 US shipped
>(to the US or Canada) for it. I guess that isn't the best thing for you
>since you only need the FP, but you could always install the HU in a
>different car and then share the FP between the two...
>
>(The only difference in the FPs by the way, as you might know, is that the
>C900's FP doesn't say "ESP" or have the compact disc official "symbol". It
>also says "Dolby B-C NR" on it whereas the C910 obviously wouldn't.)
>
>Roland M.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
In a message dated 3/26/03 3:10:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mdx400(at)hotmail.com writes:
> If you (or anyone else) is interested, I'm thinking about $120 US shipped
> (to the US or Canada) for it. I guess that isn't the best thing for you
> since you only need the FP, but you could always install the HU in a
> different car and then share the FP between the two...
>
> (The only difference in the FPs by the way, as you might know, is that the
> C900's FP doesn't say "ESP" or have the compact disc official "symbol". It
>
> also says "Dolby B-C NR" on it whereas the C910 obviously wouldn't.)
>
> Roland M.
I actually had an XR-C900 also......... which i sold on eBay too lol not
really looking to purchase another one :) Thanks for the offer though.
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Botelho <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
Hey dan,
I had the same issue with my deck. What I did end up doing was buying a
spare deck, and the
other faceplate had a damaged front face...there was a crack in the
window, but not in the LCD.
Anyway, I removed the newer volume control, and soldered it onto my
existing FP, and it worked
fine. However, for kicks, I took my old broken volume control and
soldered it onto the new deck.
Well guess what? It works fine again, and didn't have the problem with
the volume control anymore!
I guess my suggestion would be to resolder the points on the volume
control, and see if that helps out.
It worked great for me!
Daniel
NOTGSXR(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>does anyone have a face plate that they would like to part with for a CDX
>C910?? I'd even take an XR-C900 as well........ mine isn't the greatest....
>and either would work well....... The volume control switch on mine sheet the
>bed and i tried in vain 4 times to get the correct part from sony to
>re-solder it to the board.... they sent me 4 different WRONG parts and i gave
>up.......... any help would be appreciated.......thanks
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
In a message dated 3/26/03 7:21:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dbotel6500(at)rogers.com writes:
> Hey dan,
>
> I had the same issue with my deck. What I did end up doing was buying a
> spare deck, and the
> other faceplate had a damaged front face...there was a crack in the
> window, but not in the LCD.
>
> Anyway, I removed the newer volume control, and soldered it onto my
> existing FP, and it worked
> fine. However, for kicks, I took my old broken volume control and
> soldered it onto the new deck.
> Well guess what? It works fine again, and didn't have the problem with
> the volume control anymore!
>
> I guess my suggestion would be to resolder the points on the volume
> control, and see if that helps out.
> It worked great for me!
>
> Daniel
Daniel, i will try to do that this weekend... or at least take another look
at it..... The part that kind of worries me is teh fact that i took out my
XDP-U50D and installed the Used XDP4K and thats when this problem
happened..... Basically, the volume has a mind of its own........ if driving
when i turn it up, it may go up a little like each click for example, or jump
up 20 or even 30 clicks...... or when going up, it goes down.... are these
teh same simptoms you had?
Thanks
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Botelho <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
>
>
>Daniel, i will try to do that this weekend... or at least take another look
>at it..... The part that kind of worries me is teh fact that i took out my
>XDP-U50D and installed the Used XDP4K and thats when this problem
>happened..... Basically, the volume has a mind of its own........ if driving
>when i turn it up, it may go up a little like each click for example, or jump
>up 20 or even 30 clicks......
>
Ha ha ha!!! The exact same symptoms I had with my deck! I guess it's a
common fault.
I'm not going to guarantee that it will work, but it did work for me...
:-) I guess you have
really nothing to lose. I had the problem slightly with the XDP-210,
but it did get worse
for some reason on the XDP4k...
Let me know how it works out!
Daniel
> or when going up, it goes down.... are these
>teh same simptoms you had?
>
>Thanks
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: XDP - C910 combo for sale |
In a message dated 3/26/03 11:58:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dbotel6500(at)rogers.com writes:
> Ha ha ha!!! The exact same symptoms I had with my deck! I guess it's a
> common fault.
>
> I'm not going to guarantee that it will work, but it did work for me...
> :-) I guess you have
> really nothing to lose. I had the problem slightly with the XDP-210,
> but it did get worse
> for some reason on the XDP4k...
>
> Let me know how it works out!
>
> Daniel
>
I certainly will...... thanks for the tip.....
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Pete, (or anyone who has the sony XT-100DAB tuner)
Could you tell me about the dab tuner and your system
What head unit are you using it with?
As what does it show up in the head unit? Ex(cd,tv,md,aux etc?)
Do you have any problems with it?
Where are you located?
How many channels are there in your area
Any problems with reception?
Are you happy with it and would you recommend it?
Also in the specs it says it is Dual Band receiver (Band III/L band), is
that enough? I mean I wonder if there are any broadcasts existing on
bands other than band III and L band?
I would appreciate any feedback on this
Thanks
ToR
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com Behalf Of Pete
>
> I have the DAB tuner. It is expensive as it sells here for 480.00 at
> best! It has optical out which is great for the xdp-4000x and is of a
> high quality. All stations are free, the tuner was actually one of the
> first launched, it was developed before the dab broadcasts were up and
> running. It was intended to be used with the XES Z50 and that is why I
> believe it is so expensive.
>
> C90r's are hard to find, very occasionally they come up in Europe,
even
> then the sellers get a good price for them compare to the American
> prices.
>
> Pete
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XCH-1000 unilink phone adaptor |
Does any one have any knowledge about this piece?
It's for connecting cell phone to unilink
Here's the link in japan
http://www.sony.jp/products/Models/Library/XCH-1000.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | aprintis(at)attbi.com |
Hey Guy's,
Someone at Carsound forum is selling their C90 and 4000x. Just passing the
word.
http://www.carsound.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=001623
Check it out, Tony
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
ToR,
I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input for
pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
with optical output.
I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was designed
before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really to
read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have is
I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
is as good as useless.
When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
problems.
The text service for what you are currently listening too are supported
apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I believe
it should do.
I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national, better
than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW are
now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to find
second hand - I was lucky.
The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
(supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and is
(I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it perfect
for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
so that speaks volumes!
Hope that helps,
Pete
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Pete,
See how your selling your CDX-C90 and your 4000x well i have just bought a
4000x. Are you selling your DAB unit and changer as well? IF so i would be
interested.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
ToR,
I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input for
pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
with optical output.
I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was designed
before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really to
read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have is
I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
is as good as useless.
When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
problems.
The text service for what you are currently listening too are supported
apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I believe
it should do.
I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national, better
than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW are
now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to find
second hand - I was lucky.
The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
(supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and is
(I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it perfect
for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
so that speaks volumes!
Hope that helps,
Pete
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XDP-4000X/210EQ optical question |
Does anyone know if;
Would it be possible to trick the pre amp to take optical in, when let's
say an analog cd changer is connected and chosen to play, and then
manually feeding some optical source to the changer optical input?
Or if I have an external analog to digital converter hooked up to the
changer line out and feed it to XDP? (I know it wouldn't make sense in
quality but I have something else in mind, I'll explain later)
Or If I have a hand held device that has optical out, would it be
possible to feed its output to the XDP and switch between master and
changer inputs?
In both cases when a changer is connected and not?
Thanks
ToR.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Colin,
No longer selling them anymore, I just need a changer either the XES-C1
or the cdx-848x and the 10 disc mp3 changer as well.
Only wish was that the xdp-4000x had some better x-over points, it could
be much better in that respect.
Good to hear you went for the 4000x, good choice over the 210.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Pete,
See how your selling your CDX-C90 and your 4000x well i have just bought
a
4000x. Are you selling your DAB unit and changer as well? IF so i would
be
interested.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
ToR,
I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input for
pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
with optical output.
I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was designed
before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really to
read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have is
I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
is as good as useless.
When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
problems.
The text service for what you are currently listening too are supported
apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I believe
it should do.
I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national, better
than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW are
now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to find
second hand - I was lucky.
The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
(supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and is
(I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it perfect
for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
so that speaks volumes!
Hope that helps,
Pete
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP-4000X/210EQ optical question |
>From: "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-4000X/210EQ optical question
>Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:46:57 -0500
>
>
>Does anyone know if;
>Would it be possible to trick the pre amp to take optical in, when let's
>say an analog cd changer is connected and chosen to play, and then
>manually feeding some optical source to the changer optical input?
>Or if I have an external analog to digital converter hooked up to the
>changer line out and feed it to XDP? (I know it wouldn't make sense in
>quality but I have something else in mind, I'll explain later)
>Or If I have a hand held device that has optical out, would it be
>possible to feed its output to the XDP and switch between master and
>changer inputs?
>In both cases when a changer is connected and not?
>Thanks
>ToR.
No you can't do that. Well you could do it if you had a changer with
optical output and the switch was set to optical on the changer, BUT you
would have to sacrifice the audio from the changer. You could always use
some kind of passive Toslink switcher and press the buttons on it to change
the source when you put the HU in changer mode.
The XDP units will ONLY look for an optical signal if the switch on the
respective unit (CD changer, HU, etc.) is set to digital. That is why the
units have a switch for analog/digital (the C90 uses a software switch, but
all other units have a physical switch on them).
When the switch on a changer is set to digital both the optical out and the
analog outs work, however the XDP will then use the digital input for that
device when it is selected. If the switch is set to analog (or it is an
analog only changer) the XDP will automatically revert to using the analog
inputs.
Other than the way I described (with a manual Toslink switcher) there is no
other way to get digital input into an XDP unit.
The only other thing I can think of is the XA-300... It has a USB digital
audio input (for PCs and Laptops) but it doesn't have optical out, only
analog. So using it would yeild the XA-300 doing the D/A and then the XDP
doing A/D-D/A on it like any other analog source. Also the XA-300 doesn't
have Toslink input, only USB digital and analog inputs.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Cheers Pete glad i went for the 4000x too.
Yea downloaded the software today, crossover points could be better. Anyone
know anything about the Beta 3 version?
Question on the MP3 changer can you use it with a HeadUnit that does not
have MP3?
Also when using the optical cable and the bus lead do you need to run the
RCAs for the radio?
BTW Pete I can get you the changer at a good price new 200 including
delivery.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
Colin,
No longer selling them anymore, I just need a changer either the XES-C1
or the cdx-848x and the 10 disc mp3 changer as well.
Only wish was that the xdp-4000x had some better x-over points, it could
be much better in that respect.
Good to hear you went for the 4000x, good choice over the 210.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Pete,
See how your selling your CDX-C90 and your 4000x well i have just bought
a
4000x. Are you selling your DAB unit and changer as well? IF so i would
be
interested.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
ToR,
I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input for
pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
with optical output.
I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was designed
before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really to
read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have is
I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
is as good as useless.
When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
problems.
The text service for what you are currently listening too are supported
apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I believe
it should do.
I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national, better
than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW are
now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to find
second hand - I was lucky.
The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
(supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and is
(I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it perfect
for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
so that speaks volumes!
Hope that helps,
Pete
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
>
>Colin,
>
>No longer selling them anymore, I just need a changer either the XES-C1
>or the cdx-848x and the 10 disc mp3 changer as well.
>
>
>Pete
Just as a note, I would point out that the CDX-828, 838 and 848X are all
identical changers except the fact that the 848X looks like a Transformer
(toy) and is red. The 838 and 828 are identical except the 838 is red. The
848X MIGHT play CD-RW but I don't think so. If it doesn't, it is identical
inside to the CDX-828 and CDX-838. That may help you in finding a changer
(unless you really want the design of an 848X that is).
Also you probably know this (?) but just be aware that the ID3 tags
(eventhough the MX changer reads them) don't display with a C90 and an MX
changer (e.g. CDX-747MX and CDX-70MX). The MP3s play fine but you get only
filenames (cut off at 8 chars or something), no ID3 dispay.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>
>Question on the MP3 changer can you use it with a HeadUnit that does not
>have MP3?
>
Yes, as long as it has UniLink. But on older units (including the C90) the
ID3 tags will NOT display (instead you get filenames cut off at 8 letters I
think). It is also difficult to skip tracks somewhat as there is no
skipping 10 or 100 tracks at once--you have to go one by one!
>Also when using the optical cable and the bus lead do you need to run the
>RCAs for the radio?
>
>BTW Pete I can get you the changer at a good price new 200 including
>delivery.
>
>Colin
Yes you do need to run regular RCAs for the radio.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
For the FM radio, you need the (front) analogue rca lead as well as the
optical for the cd.
The mp3 changer decodes the mp3 audio in the changer and is compatible
with the c90r, text is displayed as well up to a point.
Which changer is it the cdx-848x?
Hope that helps Colin.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Cheers Pete glad i went for the 4000x too.
Yea downloaded the software today, crossover points could be better.
Anyone
know anything about the Beta 3 version?
Question on the MP3 changer can you use it with a HeadUnit that does not
have MP3?
Also when using the optical cable and the bus lead do you need to run
the
RCAs for the radio?
BTW Pete I can get you the changer at a good price new 200 including
delivery.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
Colin,
No longer selling them anymore, I just need a changer either the XES-C1
or the cdx-848x and the 10 disc mp3 changer as well.
Only wish was that the xdp-4000x had some better x-over points, it could
be much better in that respect.
Good to hear you went for the 4000x, good choice over the 210.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Pete,
See how your selling your CDX-C90 and your 4000x well i have just bought
a
4000x. Are you selling your DAB unit and changer as well? IF so i would
be
interested.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
ToR,
I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input for
pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
with optical output.
I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was designed
before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really to
read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have is
I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
is as good as useless.
When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
problems.
The text service for what you are currently listening too are supported
apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I believe
it should do.
I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national, better
than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW are
now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to find
second hand - I was lucky.
The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
(supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and is
(I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it perfect
for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
so that speaks volumes!
Hope that helps,
Pete
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
BTW Pete that is the 6 disk, didn't know Sony did a 10 disk MP3 changer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Cheers Pete glad i went for the 4000x too.
Yea downloaded the software today, crossover points could be better. Anyone
know anything about the Beta 3 version?
Question on the MP3 changer can you use it with a HeadUnit that does not
have MP3?
Also when using the optical cable and the bus lead do you need to run the
RCAs for the radio?
BTW Pete I can get you the changer at a good price new 200 including
delivery.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
Colin,
No longer selling them anymore, I just need a changer either the XES-C1
or the cdx-848x and the 10 disc mp3 changer as well.
Only wish was that the xdp-4000x had some better x-over points, it could
be much better in that respect.
Good to hear you went for the 4000x, good choice over the 210.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Pete,
See how your selling your CDX-C90 and your 4000x well i have just bought
a
4000x. Are you selling your DAB unit and changer as well? IF so i would
be
interested.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
ToR,
I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input for
pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
with optical output.
I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was designed
before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really to
read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have is
I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
is as good as useless.
When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
problems.
The text service for what you are currently listening too are supported
apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I believe
it should do.
I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national, better
than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW are
now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to find
second hand - I was lucky.
The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
(supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and is
(I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it perfect
for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
so that speaks volumes!
Hope that helps,
Pete
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Cheers Roland,
I don't mind the file names only but do you know if you can use folders and
skip the folders?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roland M
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>
>Question on the MP3 changer can you use it with a HeadUnit that does not
>have MP3?
>
Yes, as long as it has UniLink. But on older units (including the C90) the
ID3 tags will NOT display (instead you get filenames cut off at 8 letters I
think). It is also difficult to skip tracks somewhat as there is no
skipping 10 or 100 tracks at once--you have to go one by one!
>Also when using the optical cable and the bus lead do you need to run the
>RCAs for the radio?
>
>BTW Pete I can get you the changer at a good price new 200 including
>delivery.
>
>Colin
Yes you do need to run regular RCAs for the radio.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Cheers Pete!!
The changer is CDXT70MX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
For the FM radio, you need the (front) analogue rca lead as well as the
optical for the cd.
The mp3 changer decodes the mp3 audio in the changer and is compatible
with the c90r, text is displayed as well up to a point.
Which changer is it the cdx-848x?
Hope that helps Colin.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Cheers Pete glad i went for the 4000x too.
Yea downloaded the software today, crossover points could be better.
Anyone
know anything about the Beta 3 version?
Question on the MP3 changer can you use it with a HeadUnit that does not
have MP3?
Also when using the optical cable and the bus lead do you need to run
the
RCAs for the radio?
BTW Pete I can get you the changer at a good price new 200 including
delivery.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
Colin,
No longer selling them anymore, I just need a changer either the XES-C1
or the cdx-848x and the 10 disc mp3 changer as well.
Only wish was that the xdp-4000x had some better x-over points, it could
be much better in that respect.
Good to hear you went for the 4000x, good choice over the 210.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Pete,
See how your selling your CDX-C90 and your 4000x well i have just bought
a
4000x. Are you selling your DAB unit and changer as well? IF so i would
be
interested.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
ToR,
I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input for
pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
with optical output.
I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was designed
before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really to
read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have is
I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
is as good as useless.
When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
problems.
The text service for what you are currently listening too are supported
apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I believe
it should do.
I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national, better
than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW are
now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to find
second hand - I was lucky.
The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
(supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and is
(I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it perfect
for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
so that speaks volumes!
Hope that helps,
Pete
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
I bought a new CDX-757mx from eBay for $138.99
It's a 10 disk MP3 changer
No digital out.
Crutchfield says : This unit will play pre-recorded CDs and finalized
CD-R and CD-RW discs. It will also playback CD-R and CD-RW discs encoded
with MP3 files, and is CD Text and ID3 tag capable.
Here's the link for detailed info at crutchfield
http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-YutpkDl2WjM/ProdView.asp?a=&s=0&cc01&g=600&id=detailed_info&i=158CDX757M
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-
motorsport.co.uk>
>
> BTW Pete that is the 6 disk, didn't know Sony did a 10 disk MP3
changer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin
(DP
> Motorsport)
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
> <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
> Cheers Pete glad i went for the 4000x too.
>
> Yea downloaded the software today, crossover points could be better.
> Anyone
> know anything about the Beta 3 version?
>
> Question on the MP3 changer can you use it with a HeadUnit that does
not
> have MP3?
>
> Also when using the optical cable and the bus lead do you need to run
the
> RCAs for the radio?
>
> BTW Pete I can get you the changer at a good price new 200 including
> delivery.
>
> Colin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
>
> Colin,
>
> No longer selling them anymore, I just need a changer either the
XES-C1
> or the cdx-848x and the 10 disc mp3 changer as well.
>
> Only wish was that the xdp-4000x had some better x-over points, it
could
> be much better in that respect.
>
> Good to hear you went for the 4000x, good choice over the 210.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin
(DP
> Motorsport)
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
> <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
> Pete,
>
> See how your selling your CDX-C90 and your 4000x well i have just
bought
> a
> 4000x. Are you selling your DAB unit and changer as well? IF so i
would
> be
> interested.
>
> Colin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
>
> ToR,
>
> I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
> optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
>
> The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input
for
> pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
> with optical output.
>
> I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was
designed
> before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really
to
> read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have
is
> I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
> is as good as useless.
>
> When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
> problems.
>
> The text service for what you are currently listening too are
supported
> apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I
believe
> it should do.
>
> I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
>
> There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national,
better
> than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW
are
> now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
>
> I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
> the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to
find
> second hand - I was lucky.
>
> The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
>
> Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
> (supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and
is
> (I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it
perfect
> for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
> so that speaks volumes!
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Pete
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Colin,
Yeah you would be best getting it from America. They are something like
$140 on ebay new (10 disc). A bit of a bargain compared to our prices
even with shipping and possible tax/vat.
The cdx-757MX is the 10 disc. Shame it doesn't have optical out.
Does anybody know how to make an optical out for the 757MX changer? That
would be good.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
BTW Pete that is the 6 disk, didn't know Sony did a 10 disk MP3 changer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Cheers Pete glad i went for the 4000x too.
Yea downloaded the software today, crossover points could be better.
Anyone
know anything about the Beta 3 version?
Question on the MP3 changer can you use it with a HeadUnit that does not
have MP3?
Also when using the optical cable and the bus lead do you need to run
the
RCAs for the radio?
BTW Pete I can get you the changer at a good price new 200 including
delivery.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
Colin,
No longer selling them anymore, I just need a changer either the XES-C1
or the cdx-848x and the 10 disc mp3 changer as well.
Only wish was that the xdp-4000x had some better x-over points, it could
be much better in that respect.
Good to hear you went for the 4000x, good choice over the 210.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Pete,
See how your selling your CDX-C90 and your 4000x well i have just bought
a
4000x. Are you selling your DAB unit and changer as well? IF so i would
be
interested.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
ToR,
I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input for
pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
with optical output.
I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was designed
before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really to
read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have is
I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
is as good as useless.
When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
problems.
The text service for what you are currently listening too are supported
apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I believe
it should do.
I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national, better
than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW are
now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to find
second hand - I was lucky.
The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
(supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and is
(I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it perfect
for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
so that speaks volumes!
Hope that helps,
Pete
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
Hi there,
I use a CDX-T70MX on my set, and basically when it
reads an MP3 CD, it plays the track one by one...no
directory selection or anything like that on my CDX-C910,
which is pre CD-Text...no text either of what track is
playing, but that's due to the fact that my deck
doesn't support the text. (Yeah, it's a pain to get to
track 120...)
With the CDX-C90, you will have track selection, not
sure about the directory selection though. ID3 tracks
are not displayed.
Hope this helps,
Daniel
>
> From: "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com>
> Date: 2003/03/27 Thu PM 03:43:54 EST
> To:
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
> I bought a new CDX-757mx from eBay for $138.99
> It's a 10 disk MP3 changer
> No digital out.
>
> Crutchfield says : This unit will play pre-recorded CDs and finalized
> CD-R and CD-RW discs. It will also playback CD-R and CD-RW discs encoded
> with MP3 files, and is CD Text and ID3 tag capable.
>
> Here's the link for detailed info at crutchfield
>
> http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-YutpkDl2WjM/ProdView.asp?a=&s=0&cc01&g=600&id=detailed_info&i=158CDX757M
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-
> > motorsport.co.uk>
> >
> > BTW Pete that is the 6 disk, didn't know Sony did a 10 disk MP3
> changer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin
> (DP
> > Motorsport)
> > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
> >
> >
> > <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> >
> > Cheers Pete glad i went for the 4000x too.
> >
> > Yea downloaded the software today, crossover points could be better.
> > Anyone
> > know anything about the Beta 3 version?
> >
> > Question on the MP3 changer can you use it with a HeadUnit that does
> not
> > have MP3?
> >
> > Also when using the optical cable and the bus lead do you need to run
> the
> > RCAs for the radio?
> >
> > BTW Pete I can get you the changer at a good price new 200 including
> > delivery.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
> > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
> >
> >
> >
> > Colin,
> >
> > No longer selling them anymore, I just need a changer either the
> XES-C1
> > or the cdx-848x and the 10 disc mp3 changer as well.
> >
> > Only wish was that the xdp-4000x had some better x-over points, it
> could
> > be much better in that respect.
> >
> > Good to hear you went for the 4000x, good choice over the 210.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin
> (DP
> > Motorsport)
> > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
> >
> > <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> >
> > Pete,
> >
> > See how your selling your CDX-C90 and your 4000x well i have just
> bought
> > a
> > 4000x. Are you selling your DAB unit and changer as well? IF so i
> would
> > be
> > interested.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
> > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
> >
> >
> >
> > ToR,
> >
> > I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
> > optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
> >
> > The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input
> for
> > pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
> > with optical output.
> >
> > I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was
> designed
> > before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really
> to
> > read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have
> is
> > I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
> > is as good as useless.
> >
> > When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
> > problems.
> >
> > The text service for what you are currently listening too are
> supported
> > apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I
> believe
> > it should do.
> >
> > I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
> >
> > There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national,
> better
> > than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW
> are
> > now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
> >
> > I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
> > the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to
> find
> > second hand - I was lucky.
> >
> > The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
> >
> > Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
> > (supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and
> is
> > (I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it
> perfect
> > for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
> > so that speaks volumes!
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
>
>
>
1
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Yea if the CDX-757MX had an optical output i'd deffo buy it. However i don't
like the big xplod sticker all over it but i'm sure i could get that off.
Still might buy it, don't think a 10 disk MP3 in the UK.
Does anyone know part numbers for changers that have an optical output and
play CDRs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
Colin,
Yeah you would be best getting it from America. They are something like
$140 on ebay new (10 disc). A bit of a bargain compared to our prices
even with shipping and possible tax/vat.
The cdx-757MX is the 10 disc. Shame it doesn't have optical out.
Does anybody know how to make an optical out for the 757MX changer? That
would be good.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
BTW Pete that is the 6 disk, didn't know Sony did a 10 disk MP3 changer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Cheers Pete glad i went for the 4000x too.
Yea downloaded the software today, crossover points could be better.
Anyone
know anything about the Beta 3 version?
Question on the MP3 changer can you use it with a HeadUnit that does not
have MP3?
Also when using the optical cable and the bus lead do you need to run
the
RCAs for the radio?
BTW Pete I can get you the changer at a good price new 200 including
delivery.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
Colin,
No longer selling them anymore, I just need a changer either the XES-C1
or the cdx-848x and the 10 disc mp3 changer as well.
Only wish was that the xdp-4000x had some better x-over points, it could
be much better in that respect.
Good to hear you went for the 4000x, good choice over the 210.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Pete,
See how your selling your CDX-C90 and your 4000x well i have just bought
a
4000x. Are you selling your DAB unit and changer as well? IF so i would
be
interested.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
ToR,
I have the dab attached to the XDP-4000x as a changer. It is hooked up
optically via the toslink. The 4000x is used in conjunction to a c90r.
The dab allows you to plug a changer into it and has a digital input for
pass through to the xdp-4000x. So good news if you are using a changer
with optical output.
I have no real problems with it. It should be noted that it was designed
before dab was broadcast and is a 1st generation unit. Nothing really to
read into this as it is very good quality sound. Only problem I have is
I dont have the antenna on the outside of the car yet so my reception
is as good as useless.
When the antenna is on the roof it works really well and I have no
problems.
The text service for what you are currently listening too are supported
apparently but I have yet to get that information displayed as I believe
it should do.
I am located in England. Service is good in most areas.
There is a wide range of channels in my area, local and national, better
than I expected. Many stations that were broadcast in MW or even LW are
now broadcast in stereo that is nice.
I am happy with it but I bought it second hand and did not have to pay
the 480 (at best UK Price) so I'm happy. They are not very easy to find
second hand - I was lucky.
The bands I believe are ample as far as I know.
Basically, its an old high quality piece, that may lack in features
(supported wise and even ease of use). Sonically it is excellent and is
(I think) the only one available with digital out which makes it perfect
for the 4000x. It was designed to be used with the XES-Z50 system too,
so that speaks volumes!
Hope that helps,
Pete
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Yippy234(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
I have a cdx-838, the red one and I'm always ripping MP3 to the CD format and
it plays fine. I am looking to do the same, modifying the CDX-757MX so I can
carry a bigger list. I have to order the service manual before I go any
further.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
the CDX-838 plays MP3s? DOes it have an optical output?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Yippy234(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
I have a cdx-838, the red one and I'm always ripping MP3 to the CD format
and
it plays fine. I am looking to do the same, modifying the CDX-757MX so I can
carry a bigger list. I have to order the service manual before I go any
further.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Yippy234(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
Let me rephrase, I convert MP3s back into the CD format using EZ CD creator.
It does play CDRs without a problem. If you have pops and skips from the
source these will carry over.
I've had this changer for 2 years and it hardly ever gives me any problems.
Because of the buffer, it has skipped only a handful of times. I drive a
lowered car through bumpy roads all the time too. I have it hooked up
optically to my first generation XES system.
If I can get a CDX-757MX modified with an optical out so that it can play
MP3s, I'm going to swap this changer out.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Anyone know of a MiniDisk changer that has an optical output and LP feature?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Yippy234(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
I have a cdx-838, the red one and I'm always ripping MP3 to the CD format
and
it plays fine. I am looking to do the same, modifying the CDX-757MX so I can
carry a bigger list. I have to order the service manual before I go any
further.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | frequency response tests for C90 (in croatian?) |
I found this page looking around
It has frequency response test results for cdx-c90
Written in kroatian but still could be understood by looking at the
graphs
http://caodo.co.kr/board/community/review/review_list_detail_03.asp
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson(at)chartermi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
The only minidisc changer I know of with a toslink out was the MDX-65 from
1999. Don't remember much about it otherwise.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby" <mrblackc(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
I highly doubt that there is a way to modify any of the changers currenly
out there that play mp3's to give a digital output, or vice versa. I just
doesn't seem like something that is easily do-able, unless you're a Sony
engineer that is, and they decided that it wasn't a necessity. I guess I
find myself stuck on this one question. Most of you, or at least alot of
you are running car stereos using a c90 or c910, and a 4000x. Have any of
you actually sat back and listened to the overall quality of sound
reproduction of your top quality units while listening to a finely recorded
CD? Then, after having heard your top quality system, how does it sound or
feel to go and listen to someone elses Pioneer or Kenwood, or whatever they
decide to use? It's not fun, nor enjoyable. At least I don't think so.
What puzzles me is then, why, having chosen the route of purchasing truly
high quality stereo equipment, would you want to install and listen to mp3
audio with this equipment? I honestly have a hard time even burning a cd
with an mp3 recorded onto it, if I plan on listening to it in my car.
Honestly, if you haven't had the chance, take the time to listen to an
actual mp3 burned onto a cd as cd audio (it will sound exactly the same as
it would had it been played in an mp3 changer, if not a little better since
you would be using optical. As much as most people seem to like the idea of
mp3's because of $ and availability, they really don't seem to realize what
they're listening to. It's crap! If you really listen to the music, you
can hear how layered it is. The highs are very fake, they're there, but
they have no depth. They tend to sound very 'tin'ny and lifeless, and have
no direction at all. They seem to mess up the rest of the directional value
of the mids since the stereo effect is so compressed. I guess I could go on
and on about all the things I hate about listening to mp3's on a nice
system, but really, I don't think the issue is big enough to toil over. If
you want to listen to mp3's in your car, buy an mp3 changer, who cares
whether it's optically connected or not, you're not listening to clean sound
anyways.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
> the CDX-838 plays MP3s? DOes it have an optical output?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Yippy234(at)aol.com
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.comed
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
> I have a cdx-838, the red one and I'm always ripping MP3 to the CD format
> and
> it plays fine. I am looking to do the same, modifying the CDX-757MX so I
can
> carry a bigger list. I have to order the service manual before I go any
> further.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
>
>Colin,
>The cdx-757MX is the 10 disc. Shame it doesn't have optical out.
>
>Does anybody know how to make an optical out for the 757MX changer? That
>would be good.
>
>Pete
The optical out would require a couple small circuit boards from the
CDX-828/838/848X changer but actually connecting that part might not be that
hard. What would be harder to do is to get that switch in there that
switches the unit from analog to digital for the XDP to know (and for the
optical to turn on).
However though the CDX-757MX looks the same as the other 10-disc changers,
the chipset might be different; and, depending on how MP3s are processed it
might not be possible to get at a digital signal in that changer :(
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>Yea if the CDX-757MX had an optical output i'd deffo buy it. However i
>don't
>like the big xplod sticker all over it but i'm sure i could get that off.
>
>Still might buy it, don't think a 10 disk MP3 in the UK.
>
>Does anyone know part numbers for changers that have an optical output and
>play CDRs
>
Well EVERY CD player should play CD-Rs, technically speaking. Even a Sony
CDP-200 (I think that was the model number) a friend once had would play CDs
and that was the second home CD player deck that Sony ever produced so it
was circa 1984 or something! It was picky with some CD-Rs though...
However I've heard the CDX-91 is picky with some CD-Rs and if it is older it
might not be able to play them well from a weakened laser (which would still
likely read reguar CDs no doubt).
Anyhow, the later optical out changers CDX-805, CDX-828, CDX-838 and
CDX-848X should all play CD-Rs without problems. The won't play CD-RW
though.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson(at)chartermi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
You really don't need the switch there if you convert it for yourself. Why
would you switch to analog?
Not too sure of current designs, but Sony changers and decks used to be
quite easy and inexpensive to convert to optical out.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>Anyone know of a MiniDisk changer that has an optical output and LP
>feature?
>
No there isn't one, AFAIK but the MDX-66XLP *should* be modifiable... You
will likely need some parts from and MDX-65 and the service manual for both.
I think the internals should be similar enough to implement the switch and
optical emitter and boards from the 65 in the 66XLP.
I can't be 100% sure so it would be a good idea to get both service manuals
and take a look before attempting it.
Also I have no idea how much the parts would cost from the 65.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Botelho <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
Hi bobby,
Here's all that I can come up with in regards to MP3 quality.
Sure, there are some really bad MP3 recordings out there. This is a given.
However, what I've been doing for the last little while is making my own MP3
recordings, digitally extracting the tracks from my original CD's, and
encoding
them using the LAME encoder @ 256Kbit in CBR (The Sony CD MP3 changer
doesn't like VBR much.... )
You know what? You will not tell the difference. I've tried this over
and over
again, and to be honest, the MP3 changers do a damn good job reproducing
audio thru the analog outputs.
Of course, we're also not talking about an ideal enviroment. I know
that in my car,
the outside noises interfere with the music anyway. (To really hear the
system, you
have to have the car shut off... ;-)
Seriously, I've heard really *bad* souinding MP3's, and to be honest, if
you want to
hear the difference, you need to make your own.
I have a terrific link at work that had 150 or so audiophiles listen to
different MP3's
and compared them in a double-blind test with the originals, using
headphones,
and ultra-high-end equipment.
In the end, there were about 6 people that could tell the difference
using 192K VBR...
Don't knock it until you tried it! ;-)
Daniel
Bobby wrote:
>
>I highly doubt that there is a way to modify any of the changers currenly
>out there that play mp3's to give a digital output, or vice versa. I just
>doesn't seem like something that is easily do-able, unless you're a Sony
>engineer that is, and they decided that it wasn't a necessity. I guess I
>find myself stuck on this one question. Most of you, or at least alot of
>you are running car stereos using a c90 or c910, and a 4000x. Have any of
>you actually sat back and listened to the overall quality of sound
>reproduction of your top quality units while listening to a finely recorded
>CD? Then, after having heard your top quality system, how does it sound or
>feel to go and listen to someone elses Pioneer or Kenwood, or whatever they
>decide to use? It's not fun, nor enjoyable. At least I don't think so.
>What puzzles me is then, why, having chosen the route of purchasing truly
>high quality stereo equipment, would you want to install and listen to mp3
>audio with this equipment? I honestly have a hard time even burning a cd
>with an mp3 recorded onto it, if I plan on listening to it in my car.
>Honestly, if you haven't had the chance, take the time to listen to an
>actual mp3 burned onto a cd as cd audio (it will sound exactly the same as
>it would had it been played in an mp3 changer, if not a little better since
>you would be using optical. As much as most people seem to like the idea of
>mp3's because of $ and availability, they really don't seem to realize what
>they're listening to. It's crap! If you really listen to the music, you
>can hear how layered it is. The highs are very fake, they're there, but
>they have no depth. They tend to sound very 'tin'ny and lifeless, and have
>no direction at all. They seem to mess up the rest of the directional value
>of the mids since the stereo effect is so compressed. I guess I could go on
>and on about all the things I hate about listening to mp3's on a nice
>system, but really, I don't think the issue is big enough to toil over. If
>you want to listen to mp3's in your car, buy an mp3 changer, who cares
>whether it's optically connected or not, you're not listening to clean sound
>anyways.
>
>Bobby
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>To:
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>
>>the CDX-838 plays MP3s? DOes it have an optical output?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>>Yippy234(at)aol.com
>>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.comed
>>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>>
>>
>>
>>I have a cdx-838, the red one and I'm always ripping MP3 to the CD format
>>and
>>it plays fine. I am looking to do the same, modifying the CDX-757MX so I
>>
>>
>can
>
>
>>carry a bigger list. I have to order the service manual before I go any
>>further.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
>
>
>You really don't need the switch there if you convert it for yourself. Why
>would you switch to analog?
>
>Not too sure of current designs, but Sony changers and decks used to be
>quite easy and inexpensive to convert to optical out.
>
You need the switch because the position of the switch is how the XDP unit
determines whether to use the optical in or the analog in. Whatever mode
the HU or changer tells the XDP it is in (via UniLink), depending on the
switch setting is the input the XDP uses.
A changer or HU that doesn't have an optical out would always "tell" the XDP
that it is in analog mode and therefore the XDP unit would only look for a
signal on the analog inputs.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mark Laird" <mark_laird(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
If you encode mp3s at at least 192 kbps, you can't hear the difference. The
human ear isn't sensitive enough.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
I highly doubt that there is a way to modify any of the changers currenly
out there that play mp3's to give a digital output, or vice versa. I just
doesn't seem like something that is easily do-able, unless you're a Sony
engineer that is, and they decided that it wasn't a necessity. I guess I
find myself stuck on this one question. Most of you, or at least alot of
you are running car stereos using a c90 or c910, and a 4000x. Have any of
you actually sat back and listened to the overall quality of sound
reproduction of your top quality units while listening to a finely recorded
CD? Then, after having heard your top quality system, how does it sound or
feel to go and listen to someone elses Pioneer or Kenwood, or whatever they
decide to use? It's not fun, nor enjoyable. At least I don't think so.
What puzzles me is then, why, having chosen the route of purchasing truly
high quality stereo equipment, would you want to install and listen to mp3
audio with this equipment? I honestly have a hard time even burning a cd
with an mp3 recorded onto it, if I plan on listening to it in my car.
Honestly, if you haven't had the chance, take the time to listen to an
actual mp3 burned onto a cd as cd audio (it will sound exactly the same as
it would had it been played in an mp3 changer, if not a little better since
you would be using optical. As much as most people seem to like the idea of
mp3's because of $ and availability, they really don't seem to realize what
they're listening to. It's crap! If you really listen to the music, you
can hear how layered it is. The highs are very fake, they're there, but
they have no depth. They tend to sound very 'tin'ny and lifeless, and have
no direction at all. They seem to mess up the rest of the directional value
of the mids since the stereo effect is so compressed. I guess I could go on
and on about all the things I hate about listening to mp3's on a nice
system, but really, I don't think the issue is big enough to toil over. If
you want to listen to mp3's in your car, buy an mp3 changer, who cares
whether it's optically connected or not, you're not listening to clean sound
anyways.
Bobby
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Technically speaking I would agree with you, but in practical terms I
guess only sensitive quality testing equipment could tell the
difference.
Also I would like be able to listen to crap mp3's too with a setup that
can produce high quality sound, with optical out in additional to
listening to high quality recorded cd's.
Or you would have to buy two changers
One with optical out with high quality reproduction
And another one for listening to ripped/downloaded mp3's etc.
I think one changer should be able to do all
But this is what sony wants
They remove external dsp's and add crappy hsx or whatever dsp they have
now
They remove optical out and XA-40D and give you analog only
They dont want people to get used to high quality sound
They want to be able to sell more and cheaper stuff
The same idea applies to many other house hold and other equipment in
our lives
Like tv's washing machines or cars.
It's very unlikely A 50 year old washing machine would breakdown easily
But now they have cooler looking *things* with better support&service so
they could make money through not only selling but afterwards also.
I think these are side effects of a consumer market
The market depends on people to consume
Most people in this list in one aspect actually a threat to the consumer
market, because we are old purists, insisting on how things should be.
We are damned with the knowledge of better quality audio.
It reminds me how a lot of people reacted to CD's when they first came
out, everyone was comparing them to LP's, people were arguing that with
LP's you can get a more realistic sound and people didn't want CD's to
take over LP's. which is true actually, when you're using high-end
equipment that is, but now, I'm pretty sure it would be quite hard to
convince anyone to switch to LP's because they have better quality.
People would say they hear clicks and they can not take it with them :)
So It's becoming less about quality and more about functionality.
Like being able to play downloaded mp3's
It would have been very nice if sony have thought of our kind and
engineered their equipment at least in a modifiable fashion, so that
purist or quality savvy people like us could at least modify/add parts
to get better quality.
But it would be against their philosophy because they want to get rid of
people like us :) they want people quality-dumb...
i also dont think it's coincidence that cdx-c90 has bad display or its
rotary volume thing gets loose after a while or mdx-400 has bad laser.
They dont want to give a complete-satisfaction-solution when they
could.
Remember technology is not about satisfying people's needs but to create
newer needs. Anyways, I bought the 10 mp3 changer with analog out and I
might buy and additional changer with optical out, maybe the
dvx100+unilink ctrl. (I know it's SNR is not that good too :) )
ToR.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-
> list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:47 PM
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
> I highly doubt that there is a way to modify any of the changers
currenly
> out there that play mp3's to give a digital output, or vice versa. I
just
> doesn't seem like something that is easily do-able, unless you're a
Sony
> engineer that is, and they decided that it wasn't a necessity. I
guess I
> find myself stuck on this one question. Most of you, or at least alot
of
> you are running car stereos using a c90 or c910, and a 4000x. Have
any of
> you actually sat back and listened to the overall quality of sound
> reproduction of your top quality units while listening to a finely
> recorded
> CD? Then, after having heard your top quality system, how does it
sound
> or
> feel to go and listen to someone elses Pioneer or Kenwood, or whatever
> they
> decide to use? It's not fun, nor enjoyable. At least I don't think
so.
> What puzzles me is then, why, having chosen the route of purchasing
truly
> high quality stereo equipment, would you want to install and listen to
mp3
> audio with this equipment? I honestly have a hard time even burning a
cd
> with an mp3 recorded onto it, if I plan on listening to it in my car.
> Honestly, if you haven't had the chance, take the time to listen to an
> actual mp3 burned onto a cd as cd audio (it will sound exactly the
same as
> it would had it been played in an mp3 changer, if not a little better
> since
> you would be using optical. As much as most people seem to like the
idea
> of
> mp3's because of $ and availability, they really don't seem to realize
> what
> they're listening to. It's crap! If you really listen to the music,
you
> can hear how layered it is. The highs are very fake, they're there,
but
> they have no depth. They tend to sound very 'tin'ny and lifeless, and
have
> no direction at all. They seem to mess up the rest of the directional
> value
> of the mids since the stereo effect is so compressed. I guess I could
go
> on
> and on about all the things I hate about listening to mp3's on a nice
> system, but really, I don't think the issue is big enough to toil
over.
> If
> you want to listen to mp3's in your car, buy an mp3 changer, who cares
> whether it's optically connected or not, you're not listening to clean
> sound
> anyways.
>
> Bobby
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
> <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> >
> > the CDX-838 plays MP3s? DOes it have an optical output?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > Yippy234(at)aol.com
> > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.comed
> > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a cdx-838, the red one and I'm always ripping MP3 to the CD
> format
> > and
> > it plays fine. I am looking to do the same, modifying the CDX-757MX
so I
> can
> > carry a bigger list. I have to order the service manual before I go
any
> > further.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Agreed MP3s don't sound as good, but i have quite a lot of unrealised tracks
in MP3 that i have no way of getting the originals. Also i would quite like
to have the majority of my CDs in MP3 format so easy of use during long
journeys and have the option to put originals in the changer too with good
quality from my crystal DACs.
I'm now thinking of getting an MDLP changer rather than using MP3s as 99% of
MD stuff has optical connections but then the first MDLP changers does not
have this.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of ToR
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
Technically speaking I would agree with you, but in practical terms I
guess only sensitive quality testing equipment could tell the
difference.
Also I would like be able to listen to crap mp3's too with a setup that
can produce high quality sound, with optical out in additional to
listening to high quality recorded cd's.
Or you would have to buy two changers
One with optical out with high quality reproduction
And another one for listening to ripped/downloaded mp3's etc.
I think one changer should be able to do all
But this is what sony wants
They remove external dsp's and add crappy hsx or whatever dsp they have
now
They remove optical out and XA-40D and give you analog only
They dont want people to get used to high quality sound
They want to be able to sell more and cheaper stuff
The same idea applies to many other house hold and other equipment in
our lives
Like tv's washing machines or cars.
It's very unlikely A 50 year old washing machine would breakdown easily
But now they have cooler looking *things* with better support&service so
they could make money through not only selling but afterwards also.
I think these are side effects of a consumer market
The market depends on people to consume
Most people in this list in one aspect actually a threat to the consumer
market, because we are old purists, insisting on how things should be.
We are damned with the knowledge of better quality audio.
It reminds me how a lot of people reacted to CD's when they first came
out, everyone was comparing them to LP's, people were arguing that with
LP's you can get a more realistic sound and people didn't want CD's to
take over LP's. which is true actually, when you're using high-end
equipment that is, but now, I'm pretty sure it would be quite hard to
convince anyone to switch to LP's because they have better quality.
People would say they hear clicks and they can not take it with them :)
So It's becoming less about quality and more about functionality.
Like being able to play downloaded mp3's
It would have been very nice if sony have thought of our kind and
engineered their equipment at least in a modifiable fashion, so that
purist or quality savvy people like us could at least modify/add parts
to get better quality.
But it would be against their philosophy because they want to get rid of
people like us :) they want people quality-dumb...
i also dont think it's coincidence that cdx-c90 has bad display or its
rotary volume thing gets loose after a while or mdx-400 has bad laser.
They dont want to give a complete-satisfaction-solution when they
could.
Remember technology is not about satisfying people's needs but to create
newer needs. Anyways, I bought the 10 mp3 changer with analog out and I
might buy and additional changer with optical out, maybe the
dvx100+unilink ctrl. (I know it's SNR is not that good too :) )
ToR.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-
> list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:47 PM
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
> I highly doubt that there is a way to modify any of the changers
currenly
> out there that play mp3's to give a digital output, or vice versa. I
just
> doesn't seem like something that is easily do-able, unless you're a
Sony
> engineer that is, and they decided that it wasn't a necessity. I
guess I
> find myself stuck on this one question. Most of you, or at least alot
of
> you are running car stereos using a c90 or c910, and a 4000x. Have
any of
> you actually sat back and listened to the overall quality of sound
> reproduction of your top quality units while listening to a finely
> recorded
> CD? Then, after having heard your top quality system, how does it
sound
> or
> feel to go and listen to someone elses Pioneer or Kenwood, or whatever
> they
> decide to use? It's not fun, nor enjoyable. At least I don't think
so.
> What puzzles me is then, why, having chosen the route of purchasing
truly
> high quality stereo equipment, would you want to install and listen to
mp3
> audio with this equipment? I honestly have a hard time even burning a
cd
> with an mp3 recorded onto it, if I plan on listening to it in my car.
> Honestly, if you haven't had the chance, take the time to listen to an
> actual mp3 burned onto a cd as cd audio (it will sound exactly the
same as
> it would had it been played in an mp3 changer, if not a little better
> since
> you would be using optical. As much as most people seem to like the
idea
> of
> mp3's because of $ and availability, they really don't seem to realize
> what
> they're listening to. It's crap! If you really listen to the music,
you
> can hear how layered it is. The highs are very fake, they're there,
but
> they have no depth. They tend to sound very 'tin'ny and lifeless, and
have
> no direction at all. They seem to mess up the rest of the directional
> value
> of the mids since the stereo effect is so compressed. I guess I could
go
> on
> and on about all the things I hate about listening to mp3's on a nice
> system, but really, I don't think the issue is big enough to toil
over.
> If
> you want to listen to mp3's in your car, buy an mp3 changer, who cares
> whether it's optically connected or not, you're not listening to clean
> sound
> anyways.
>
> Bobby
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
> <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> >
> > the CDX-838 plays MP3s? DOes it have an optical output?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > Yippy234(at)aol.com
> > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.comed
> > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a cdx-838, the red one and I'm always ripping MP3 to the CD
> format
> > and
> > it plays fine. I am looking to do the same, modifying the CDX-757MX
so I
> can
> > carry a bigger list. I have to order the service manual before I go
any
> > further.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
In a message dated 3/27/03 8:48:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrblackc(at)msn.com
writes:
> I highly doubt that there is a way to modify any of the changers currenly
> out there that play mp3's to give a digital output, or vice versa. I just
> doesn't seem like something that is easily do-able, unless you're a Sony
> engineer that is, and they decided that it wasn't a necessity. I guess I
> find myself stuck on this one question. Most of you, or at least alot of
> you are running car stereos using a c90 or c910, and a 4000x. Have any of
> you actually sat back and listened to the overall quality of sound
> reproduction of your top quality units while listening to a finely recorded
> CD? Then, after having heard your top quality system, how does it sound or
> feel to go and listen to someone elses Pioneer or Kenwood, or whatever they
> decide to use? It's not fun, nor enjoyable. At least I don't think so.
> What puzzles me is then, why, having chosen the route of purchasing truly
> high quality stereo equipment, would you want to install and listen to mp3
> audio with this equipment? I honestly have a hard time even burning a cd
> with an mp3 recorded onto it, if I plan on listening to it in my car.
> Honestly, if you haven't had the chance, take the time to listen to an
> actual mp3 burned onto a cd as cd audio (it will sound exactly the same as
> it would had it been played in an mp3 changer, if not a little better since
> you would be using optical. As much as most people seem to like the idea
> of
> mp3's because of $ and availability, they really don't seem to realize what
> they're listening to. It's crap! If you really listen to the music, you
> can hear how layered it is. The highs are very fake, they're there, but
> they have no depth. They tend to sound very 'tin'ny and lifeless, and have
> no direction at all. They seem to mess up the rest of the directional
> value
> of the mids since the stereo effect is so compressed. I guess I could go
> on
> and on about all the things I hate about listening to mp3's on a nice
> system, but really, I don't think the issue is big enough to toil over. If
> you want to listen to mp3's in your car, buy an mp3 changer, who cares
> whether it's optically connected or not, you're not listening to clean
> sound
> anyways.
>
> Bobby
I wholeheartedly agree............ listening to an mp3 in my car with the
C910 and XDP4k turned my stomach the first time i ever listened to it.... it
was ripped at 320 as well.......... btw..... this also was the last time an
mp3 was played in my car..... perhaps i am just a little more critical than
most people..... However, accurate speakers (Focal) and high quality audio
components like the C910 and XDP-4000X i can't for the life of me think they
were meant for mp3's.... They reproduce every sound..... (ok, probably not
every sound, but you get my point) and your amplifier amplifies this signal
its receiving..... why would we ever want to send a less than accurate signal
with other "noise" introduced (or taken away) through these components..... i
will never know. I think 8 Tracks sounded better than mp3's...... thats
just my .02 cents.....
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
In a message dated 3/27/03 11:24:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mdx400(at)hotmail.com writes:
> However I've heard the CDX-91 is picky with some CD-Rs and if it is older it
>
> might not be able to play them well from a weakened laser (which would
> still
> likely read reguar CDs no doubt).
I havn't yet had a problem with my CDX-91 and CDR's..... I usually use Sony
CDR's not that that matters... perahaps i am just lucky??
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Botelho <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
Dan,
I have to ask: What software are you using for making MP3's? If you
downloaded a 320k MP3,
and expected it to sound good, well depending on what software was used
to create the MP3,
it can still sound like shit.
Xing MP3 creating software is notorious for making bad sounding MP3's.
You need to use a high
quality codec, and a decent quality CD ripper to get CD-Quality audio
from MP3's. I could send
you some that I've made, and you would not tell the difference. If you
used Exact audio copy ver .91
and the LAME codec set for 256K, you'd be set to go.
Which MP3 changer are you using?
Daniel
>
>I wholeheartedly agree............ listening to an mp3 in my car with the
>C910 and XDP4k turned my stomach the first time i ever listened to it.... it
>was ripped at 320 as well.......... btw..... this also was the last time an
>mp3 was played in my car..... perhaps i am just a little more critical than
>most people..... However, accurate speakers (Focal) and high quality audio
>components like the C910 and XDP-4000X i can't for the life of me think they
>were meant for mp3's.... They reproduce every sound..... (ok, probably not
>every sound, but you get my point) and your amplifier amplifies this signal
>its receiving..... why would we ever want to send a less than accurate signal
>with other "noise" introduced (or taken away) through these components..... i
>will never know. I think 8 Tracks sounded better than mp3's...... thats
>just my .02 cents.....
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
The BEST way to achieve perfect MP3's is to use this guide (see below).
The results are very good. This way uses variable bitrate lame encoder
(In conjunction with the Sony mp3 changers - I do not know how well it
will work). You can set up a constant bitrate mode if you need to.
This method though provides the best audio extraction giving you the
opportunity to maximise the mp3's quality.
I have been using EAC for a while and it is slow at times but it is the
best. Seeing as we have some of the best equipment, it makes sense to
get the best rip possible.
Check it out here, a good guide...
http://www.chrismyden.com/nuke/modules.php?op=modload&name=Elite_DAE&fil
e=painless
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Botelho
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
Dan,
I have to ask: What software are you using for making MP3's? If you
downloaded a 320k MP3,
and expected it to sound good, well depending on what software was used
to create the MP3,
it can still sound like shit.
Xing MP3 creating software is notorious for making bad sounding MP3's.
You need to use a high
quality codec, and a decent quality CD ripper to get CD-Quality audio
from MP3's. I could send
you some that I've made, and you would not tell the difference. If you
used Exact audio copy ver .91
and the LAME codec set for 256K, you'd be set to go.
Which MP3 changer are you using?
Daniel
>
>I wholeheartedly agree............ listening to an mp3 in my car with
the
>C910 and XDP4k turned my stomach the first time i ever listened to
it.... it
>was ripped at 320 as well.......... btw..... this also was the last
time an
>mp3 was played in my car..... perhaps i am just a little more
critical than
>most people..... However, accurate speakers (Focal) and high quality
audio
>components like the C910 and XDP-4000X i can't for the life of me think
they
>were meant for mp3's.... They reproduce every sound..... (ok, probably
not
>every sound, but you get my point) and your amplifier amplifies this
signal
>its receiving..... why would we ever want to send a less than accurate
signal
>with other "noise" introduced (or taken away) through these
components..... i
>will never know. I think 8 Tracks sounded better than mp3's......
thats
>just my .02 cents.....
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
In a message dated 3/28/03 7:11:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dbotel6500(at)rogers.com writes:
> Dan,
>
> I have to ask: What software are you using for making MP3's? If you
> downloaded a 320k MP3,
> and expected it to sound good, well depending on what software was used
> to create the MP3,
> it can still sound like shit.
>
> Xing MP3 creating software is notorious for making bad sounding MP3's.
> You need to use a high
> quality codec, and a decent quality CD ripper to get CD-Quality audio
> from MP3's. I could send
> you some that I've made, and you would not tell the difference. If you
> used Exact audio copy ver .91
> and the LAME codec set for 256K, you'd be set to go.
>
> Which MP3 changer are you using?
>
> Daniel
Alrighty..... perhaps my methods are not perfect...... I actually used
MusicMatch software....... To burn the CD that is........ i downloaded the
mp3's so i have no clue what they were burned with...... The mp3's were
transfered back to CD Audio or a wav file i believe........ apparently this
is not the best way huh?????? :)
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
Ok, so there are a few things to clear up here.
1) As you mentioned, not all MP3's are created equal. I'd try and source some
decent MP3's either using newsgroups, or some other way, but musicmatch is hardly
hi-fi, being on the same level as kazaa. Most people use either Xing, musicmatch,
or nero, and those programs are not aiming for audio quality, but they
boast high speed ripping. High speed ins't quality audio
2) You can convert MP3 to .WAV audio, but for the few of us,
we have an MP3 changer that allows you to burn the .MP3 files
onto a CD without creating a .WAV file. This allows you to store 100-200 MP3 songs
on a CD, and play it in the MP3 changer...
If you do look for MP3 songs, try and get songs that are above 160k...anything
below 160k MP3 sounds like crap and underwater. The songs have no dynamics at
all...
>
>
> Alrighty..... perhaps my methods are not perfect...... I actually used
> MusicMatch software....... To burn the CD that is........ i downloaded the
> mp3's so i have no clue what they were burned with...... The mp3's were
> transfered back to CD Audio or a wav file i believe........ apparently this
> is not the best way huh?????? :)
>
> Dan
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | production, encoding and reproduction quality, pcm-CD vs |
mp3-CD vs atrac3-MD
You're talking the opposite way
When you make a regular cd from mp3's, it's a waste of space. If you
have an mp3 changer that is. The question is how to create good sounding
mp3-cd's from uncompressed (regular) cd's. aka ripping.
Also additional to this subject, I've checked the atrac3 codec. It's
pretty good compared to mp3's. (which is the latest codec for MD's)
There is an atrac3 codec available for wav files. You can check it your
self on your pc, google it.
atrac3-MD gives less space then mp3-CD but maybe thats better than
pulling your hair going to 87th track on your mp3-CD.
I find MD a good alternative to mp3-CD because you can record easily
from radio etc with a push of a button at home and also take it with you
with a portable MD player. If you're not downloading a lot of mp3's from
internet, and if you're ripping from cd's and have an MD recorder at
home, MD might be a better choice.
!!To get best audio quality use PCM encoded CD's produced by your
trusted production house and listen with CDX-848x (102dB SNR) and
connect optical spdif to XDP-4000x :)
ToR
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-
> list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:19 PM
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>
> In a message dated 3/28/03 7:11:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> dbotel6500(at)rogers.com writes:
>
> > Dan,
> >
> > I have to ask: What software are you using for making MP3's? If
you
> > downloaded a 320k MP3,
> > and expected it to sound good, well depending on what software was
used
> > to create the MP3,
> > it can still sound like shit.
> >
> > Xing MP3 creating software is notorious for making bad sounding
MP3's.
> > You need to use a high
> > quality codec, and a decent quality CD ripper to get CD-Quality
audio
> > from MP3's. I could send
> > you some that I've made, and you would not tell the difference. If
you
> > used Exact audio copy ver .91
> > and the LAME codec set for 256K, you'd be set to go.
> >
> > Which MP3 changer are you using?
> >
> > Daniel
>
>
> Alrighty..... perhaps my methods are not perfect...... I actually
used
> MusicMatch software....... To burn the CD that is........ i
downloaded
> the
> mp3's so i have no clue what they were burned with...... The mp3's
were
> transfered back to CD Audio or a wav file i believe........ apparently
> this
> is not the best way huh?????? :)
>
> Dan
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>I'm now thinking of getting an MDLP changer rather than using MP3s as 99%
>of
>MD stuff has optical connections but then the first MDLP changers does not
>have this.
>
>Colin
The way you worded that, it just seems like you are either hoping or
thinking that they will release another MDLP changer with optical out? That
is EXTREMELY unlikely because of the fact that they no longer produce/sell
external DSPs like the 4000X or 210EQ. Also the MDX-65 was the only MD
changer in the lineup for several years. The only reason they made the
MDX-66XLP was for MDLP. Since they no longer sell any DSPs they also
removed the optical out circuitry from the 66XLP to save a few bucks.
The MDX-66XLP might very well be the last Sony mobile MD changer we ever see
from Sony. The design is proven (the MDX-60/61/62 and 65 were all based on
the same basic mechanism), and reliable; and since MD is relatively
unpopular as it is (particularly in North America) they will continue with
that changer for quite a while.
Your best bet is to try to mod a 66XLP for optical out.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
>
>In a message dated 3/27/03 11:24:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>mdx400(at)hotmail.com writes:
>
> > However I've heard the CDX-91 is picky with some CD-Rs and if it is
>older it
> >
> > might not be able to play them well from a weakened laser (which would
> > still
> > likely read reguar CDs no doubt).
>
>
>I havn't yet had a problem with my CDX-91 and CDR's..... I usually use
>Sony
>CDR's not that that matters... perahaps i am just lucky??
>
>
>Dan
Nah, I doubt that it is just luck. Like I said CD-Rs should play in ANY CD
player... I did hear a few people saying that theirs gave them probs with
CD-Rs but it is probably their "unluckiness" in that their changer's pickup
doesn't do to well with CD-R (probably because of age, dirty lens, etc.).
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | accesories to buy ? |
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | acc. to buy- where? |
where can i get a list of accesories to buy for my 4000x?
or my c-90?
looking for a couple small pieces?
tim koehle
sylvania ohio
419-514-5837(if anyone has any time ?)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Just a thought, you could get a DVD changer and write all your songs to DVD
to get the good quality sound as well as the high capacity. Will more than
likely have an optical out too.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roland M
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
>In a message dated 3/27/03 11:24:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>mdx400(at)hotmail.com writes:
>
> > However I've heard the CDX-91 is picky with some CD-Rs and if it is
>older it
> >
> > might not be able to play them well from a weakened laser (which would
> > still
> > likely read reguar CDs no doubt).
>
>
>I havn't yet had a problem with my CDX-91 and CDR's..... I usually use
>Sony
>CDR's not that that matters... perahaps i am just lucky??
>
>
>Dan
Nah, I doubt that it is just luck. Like I said CD-Rs should play in ANY CD
player... I did hear a few people saying that theirs gave them probs with
CD-Rs but it is probably their "unluckiness" in that their changer's pickup
doesn't do to well with CD-R (probably because of age, dirty lens, etc.).
Roland M.
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| From: | Daniel Botelho <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
Hey roland,
I had issues reading CD-R's made on other earlier made burners.
I've found that my Teac seems to make really good CD-R recordings...
But my friends's JVC 2x does not. *shrug*
A decent quality burner should do the trick...
D
Roland M wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>In a message dated 3/27/03 11:24:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>mdx400(at)hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>>However I've heard the CDX-91 is picky with some CD-Rs and if it is
>>>
>>>
>>older it
>>
>>
>>>might not be able to play them well from a weakened laser (which would
>>>still
>>>likely read reguar CDs no doubt).
>>>
>>>
>>I havn't yet had a problem with my CDX-91 and CDR's..... I usually use
>>Sony
>>CDR's not that that matters... perahaps i am just lucky??
>>
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>
>Nah, I doubt that it is just luck. Like I said CD-Rs should play in ANY CD
>player... I did hear a few people saying that theirs gave them probs with
>CD-Rs but it is probably their "unluckiness" in that their changer's pickup
>doesn't do to well with CD-R (probably because of age, dirty lens, etc.).
>
>Roland M.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Chambers" <xdp4000x-list(at)lists.bod.org> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Yes, the quality and feature set of the CD-RW drive definitely matters -
features like Optical Power Control definitely make a difference.
I've also found which brand/type of media matters a great deal too (and
for some media, the speed you burn it at). My experience has been that
most CD players will play at least one brand/type of CD-R media burned
at 4x or 8x, but not always the same brand/type :-) Not wishing to
contradict Roland, but my experience has been that CD-R compatibility
across CD players is generally good, but can't be assumed. I've
generally enjoyed better compatibility with the brand-name media (TDK
and Maxell) than the no-name discs. The no-name discs also seem to fare
worse at higher burn speeds, so a cheap disc burned at 4x tends to be
more compatible than one burned at 16x.
For example, I have found some cheap silver/blue 'GQ' brand CD-Rs will
not even be recognized in my Sony changer, and skip badly in the C90,
but the couple of Maxel 'Black' CD-Rs I've tried work very well.
On the burner front, I've had good results in the past from a TDK CD-RW
drive (which are rumored to be OEM'd from Plexor, who have an excellent
reputation). These days I'm using either a Lite-On LTR 48246S drive
(48x/24x/48x), or one of the Ridata 2nd generation DVD+R/RW drives
(which are also excellent CD-RW drives) to burn discs. A good source for
CD-ROM benchmarks is www.cdspeed2000.com which also has DAE (digital
audio extraction) benchmarks - very handy ;-)
Paul
>
>
> Hey roland,
>
> I had issues reading CD-R's made on other earlier made burners.
>
> I've found that my Teac seems to make really good CD-R recordings...
> But my friends's JVC 2x does not. *shrug*
>
> A decent quality burner should do the trick...
>
> D
>
> Roland M wrote:
>
> >>
> >>In a message dated 3/27/03 11:24:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >>mdx400(at)hotmail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> However I've heard the CDX-91 is picky with some CD-Rs and
> >>> if it is older it might not be able to play them well from
> >>> a weakened laser (which would still likely read reguar CDs
> >>> no doubt).
> >>>
> >> I havn't yet had a problem with my CDX-91 and CDR's..... I
> >> usually use Sony CDR's not that that matters... perahaps I
> >> am just lucky??
> >>
> >
> > Nah, I doubt that it is just luck. Like I said CD-Rs should
> > play in ANY CD player... I did hear a few people saying that
> > theirs gave them probs with CD-Rs but it is probably their
> > "unluckiness" in that their changer's pickup doesn't do too
> > well with CD-R (probably because of age, dirty lens, etc.).
> >
> > Roland M.
> >
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| Subject: | optical /rca quick question-y or n? |
just wondering a yes or no
when i run optical do i have to run rca cables too?
thanks
tim koehle
sylvania ohio
p.s. have had some discussion about this before , but never got a straight
answer!
thanks again!
tk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Botelho <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: optical /rca quick question-y or n? |
In general, yes,
You *could* get away with running the RCA's alone, but it would sound much
better to running the optical cable, not to mention more cleaner sounding.
The reason you cannot run the optical cable alone, is because it is only
sending out
CD audio thru the optical cable. The AM/FM is transmitted on the RCA
cabling.
So yes, run BOTH cables thru the system. :-)
Daniel
Sqxpert(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>just wondering a yes or no
>
>when i run optical do i have to run rca cables too?
>
>thanks
>
>tim koehle
>sylvania ohio
>
>p.s. have had some discussion about this before , but never got a straight
>answer!
>
>thanks again!
>
>tk
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
Colin,
That would have been a nice solution but
When you burn a DVD at home, it's format will be one of
DVD-R,DVD+R,DVD-RW or DVD+RW, depending on your DVD burner hardware.
DVX-100 supports only CD,CD-R,CD-RW and DVD
It does not support DVD-R,DVD+R,DVD-RW or DVD+RW
Also DVX-100's SNR is only 90 dB.
So it's not a good solution for quality even if it worked.
Now one thing that puzzles me is that the optical output on DVX-100 is
primarily for linking to a DTS/Dolby Digital processor.
That's the reason why they implemented optical out, not for linking to
210/4000. (thats why SNR is 90 dB)
But Sony does not have a DTS/Dolby Digital processor????
Pioneer has a very cool IP-BUS DTS/Dolby Digital processor.
DEQ-P7000: optical in, 24-bit/48kHz, DSP, time alignment etc..
Retails around $500, $300 in ebay
Now the question is, why sony does not have a processor like this?
And to what processor are they expecting me to connect DVX-100 to?
It seems to me that top sony people decided that there will be no more
external DSP's bec. they wanted to push internal HX-DSP and EQ7 crap.
And now they had to make a dvd changer bec everybody else is making, but
because of the internal DSP direction they took, they're having problems
with DVX-100.
Does anyone know anything about the CDX-M610, one of the last head units
supported DSP control.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
> Just a thought, you could get a DVD changer and write all your songs
to
> DVD to get the good quality sound as well as the high capacity. Will
more > than likely have an optical out too.
>
> Colin
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mark Laird" <mark_laird(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XT-100DAB question |
On the subject of burning cd's... I took all my cd's and made burned copies
of them with Nero Burning ROM with the cd text feature on. It will lookup
your cd's online and burn the cd text to them so that the album name,
artist, and song name show up on the C90 display. Plus, all my original
copies are at home in case someone decides it would be a good idea to lift
my cd book from my car.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Chambers
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
Yes, the quality and feature set of the CD-RW drive definitely matters -
features like Optical Power Control definitely make a difference.
I've also found which brand/type of media matters a great deal too (and
for some media, the speed you burn it at). My experience has been that
most CD players will play at least one brand/type of CD-R media burned
at 4x or 8x, but not always the same brand/type :-) Not wishing to
contradict Roland, but my experience has been that CD-R compatibility
across CD players is generally good, but can't be assumed. I've
generally enjoyed better compatibility with the brand-name media (TDK
and Maxell) than the no-name discs. The no-name discs also seem to fare
worse at higher burn speeds, so a cheap disc burned at 4x tends to be
more compatible than one burned at 16x.
For example, I have found some cheap silver/blue 'GQ' brand CD-Rs will
not even be recognized in my Sony changer, and skip badly in the C90,
but the couple of Maxel 'Black' CD-Rs I've tried work very well.
On the burner front, I've had good results in the past from a TDK CD-RW
drive (which are rumored to be OEM'd from Plexor, who have an excellent
reputation). These days I'm using either a Lite-On LTR 48246S drive
(48x/24x/48x), or one of the Ridata 2nd generation DVD+R/RW drives
(which are also excellent CD-RW drives) to burn discs. A good source for
CD-ROM benchmarks is www.cdspeed2000.com which also has DAE (digital
audio extraction) benchmarks - very handy ;-)
Paul
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Okay, I'm changing the topic!!!--> DVX-100 Changer |
>From: "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:48:12 -0500
>
>
>Colin,
>That would have been a nice solution but
>When you burn a DVD at home, it's format will be one of
>DVD-R,DVD+R,DVD-RW or DVD+RW, depending on your DVD burner hardware.
>DVX-100 supports only CD,CD-R,CD-RW and DVD
>It does not support DVD-R,DVD+R,DVD-RW or DVD+RW
>Also DVX-100's SNR is only 90 dB.
>So it's not a good solution for quality even if it worked.
>
Where did you see that S/N ratio? Was that a tested one or Sony's stated
SNR? I read a report on it and the SNR was something like 85dB out from the
analog outputs and that was for CD-Audio only, nothing else was tested.
85dB isn't bad at all, but considering Alpine's similar changer tested at
over 100dB, it goes to show that Sony didn't really build this one with that
much CD-Audio quality in mind. Furthermore the Alpine already features dual
control (independent or Ai-Net) and requires no extra-cost adapter to hook
it to an Ai-Net HU.
The SNR of th DVX-100 may indeed be better through the optical output,
however. Also the DVD-Video quality may surpass the Alpine (the tests I
read did not test the video quality of either unit).
>Now one thing that puzzles me is that the optical output on DVX-100 is
>primarily for linking to a DTS/Dolby Digital processor.
>That's the reason why they implemented optical out, not for linking to
>210/4000. (thats why SNR is 90 dB)
>But Sony does not have a DTS/Dolby Digital processor????
>
>Now the question is, why sony does not have a processor like this?
>And to what processor are they expecting me to connect DVX-100 to?
>
Yeah I guess this is a bit funny eh? Perhaps they were meaning for you to
use that Pio processor! Or perhaps they meant for you to use a Panasonic
CY-AC300 DD/DTS processor! :D The Panasonic is pretty nice as well and
though the MSRP was originally $700 on that unit they are available
refurbished for $200-$250 sometimes on eBay.
>Does anyone know anything about the CDX-M610, one of the last head units
>supported DSP control.
>
I can't remeber which of the M units (ABP) could support a DSP, but if the
M610 does support a DSP, then it will likely be very similar to the M600,
M650, and M750 units. There are so many of them that are similar I can't
remember which one is which. Furthermore the number of the unit doesn't
indicate how new it is! For example the M750 is OLDER than the M730! So
that confuses things more. My best guess is that the M610 would be much
like the M750 but without HX-DSP.
IMO, there is nothing wrong with HX-DSP--it was a pretty nice setup and met
the needs of those who did not want to buy an external DSP for several
hundreds of dollars more, to add on to their unit. However in the days of
HX-DSP there were units with that and then other units that did not have it
but instead had DSP Control. That way you could choose which one you
wanted.
Nowadays it seems that EQ7 and DSO are actually very similar to what HX-DSP
was, only they don't call it "HX-DSP" anymore, just "DSO" and "EQ7". That
and there is no choice anymore--they don't make any XDP units nor any units
with DSP Control anymore. And that is what stinks!
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: optical /rca quick question-y or n? |
thanks dan- i don t listen to much to the radio- so i will just be running
the optical cable
thanks again
tim koehle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
>
>I highly doubt that there is a way to modify any of the changers currenly
>out there that play mp3's to give a digital output, or vice versa. I just
>doesn't seem like something that is easily do-able, unless you're a Sony
>engineer that is, and they decided that it wasn't a necessity. I guess I
>find myself stuck on this one question. Most of you, or at least alot of
>you are running car stereos using a c90 or c910, and a 4000x. Have any of
>you actually sat back and listened to the overall quality of sound
>reproduction of your top quality units while listening to a finely recorded
>CD? Then, after having heard your top quality system, how does it sound or
>feel to go and listen to someone elses Pioneer or Kenwood, or whatever they
>decide to use? It's not fun, nor enjoyable. At least I don't think so.
>What puzzles me is then, why, having chosen the route of purchasing truly
>high quality stereo equipment, would you want to install and listen to mp3
>audio with this equipment? I honestly have a hard time even burning a cd
>with an mp3 recorded onto it, if I plan on listening to it in my car.
>Honestly, if you haven't had the chance, take the time to listen to an
>actual mp3 burned onto a cd as cd audio (it will sound exactly the same as
>it would had it been played in an mp3 changer, if not a little better since
>you would be using optical. As much as most people seem to like the idea
>of
>mp3's because of $ and availability, they really don't seem to realize what
>they're listening to. It's crap! If you really listen to the music, you
>can hear how layered it is. The highs are very fake, they're there, but
>they have no depth. They tend to sound very 'tin'ny and lifeless, and have
>no direction at all. They seem to mess up the rest of the directional
>value
>of the mids since the stereo effect is so compressed. I guess I could go
>on
>and on about all the things I hate about listening to mp3's on a nice
>system, but really, I don't think the issue is big enough to toil over. If
>you want to listen to mp3's in your car, buy an mp3 changer, who cares
>whether it's optically connected or not, you're not listening to clean
>sound
>anyways.
>
>Bobby
>
I don't mean to nitpick, but perhaps separating such a long passage into
separate paragraphs would be good. It makes it a lot easier to read and
more likely that people will take the time to read it. Personally when I
see something very long like this all in one paragraph, I tend not to read
it. If it is separated, though, I usually read the post/email in its
entirety.
Well, on the other hand I guess it is better than those ones that are "one
sentence"--no periods or anything.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: production, encoding and reproduction quality, pcm-CD |
vs
mp3-CD vs atrac3-MD
>
>To get best audio quality use PCM encoded CD's produced by your
>trusted production house and listen with CDX-848x (102dB SNR) and
>connect optical spdif to XDP-4000x :)
>ToR
>
>
Just curious again as to where the SNR came from. Is that the Sony rating
or a measured one? I thought the *rated* SNR for the CDX-805 and 828 was
110dB (could be mistaken on that), I wonder if it somehow got lowered to
102dB by the time the 848X was released?
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby" <mrblackc(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: optical /rca quick question-y or n? |
I just have to say, I have both analog rca's and optical installed in my
system, but from the cdx-c90 to the 4000x I'm forced to use analog all the
time because the install guys looped the cable too far and broke it and I've
yet to go in and install a new one. I have had optical working on the deck
to the eq beforehand, but now I am forced to use the analog outs. I also am
currently using a cdx-848x that does utilize the optical out to the eq.
Honest to god, I cannot tell any difference between the optical connections
or the analog one. I am using very high quality pre-amp leads, and I have
to say that I can tell a difference when cheap ones are used, but really, as
long as you use nice cables, I believe the two sound the same. I would
still prefer to use optical from the head unit to the eq, since I know that
it would techically be a cleaner sound, but I just honestly have to say, I
can't notice the difference. Anyone else?
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Botelho" <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: optical /rca quick question-y or n?
>
> In general, yes,
>
> You *could* get away with running the RCA's alone, but it would sound much
> better to running the optical cable, not to mention more cleaner sounding.
>
> The reason you cannot run the optical cable alone, is because it is only
> sending out
> CD audio thru the optical cable. The AM/FM is transmitted on the RCA
> cabling.
>
> So yes, run BOTH cables thru the system. :-)
>
> Daniel
>
> Sqxpert(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> >just wondering a yes or no
> >
> >when i run optical do i have to run rca cables too?
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >tim koehle
> >sylvania ohio
> >
> >p.s. have had some discussion about this before , but never got a
straight
> >answer!
> >
> >thanks again!
> >
> >tk
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: optical /rca quick question-y or n? |
ok- thanks for your input!
tim koehle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ToR" <calculathor(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | production, encoding and reproduction quality, pcm-CD |
vs mp3-CD vs atrac3-MD
I don't know about the CDX-805.
Values are from their manuals.
if sony is lying about their specs like microsoft I wouldn't know..
CDX-828 SNR is 99dB
CDX-848x SNR is 102dB
CDX-C90 SNR is 109dB
CDX-757mx SNR is 102dB
MDX-66XLP SNR is 95dB
DVX-100 SNR is 90dB
ToR.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-
> list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland M
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:06 PM
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: production, encoding and reproduction
quality,
> pcm-CD vs mp3-CD vs atrac3-MD
>
>
> >
> >To get best audio quality use PCM encoded CD's produced by your
> >trusted production house and listen with CDX-848x (102dB SNR) and
> >connect optical spdif to XDP-4000x :)
> >ToR
> >
> >
>
> Just curious again as to where the SNR came from. Is that the Sony
rating
> or a measured one? I thought the *rated* SNR for the CDX-805 and 828
was
> 110dB (could be mistaken on that), I wonder if it somehow got lowered
to
> 102dB by the time the 848X was released?
>
> Roland M.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby" <mrblackc(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
Dear Roland,
My answer to you Roland as to why I did not separate such a long passage
into separate paragraphs is because I am not in school anymore, nor am I
being graded on whether I outline my thesis, clearly support the body of my
report, nor whether correct punctuation is utilized.
I made a reply, and when I do such a thing, I look at it moreso as
having a conversation with someone rather than actually having to polish up
on my English skills. If you really weren't interested in what I was saying
from the beginning, then I expected you to stop reading and to not post a
reply. That is how the system is supposed to work.
However, since you did take the time to reply, I then have to look at it
in the manner of you being rude, and truly I have no respect for that.
This message group is a source for those interested in the 4000x and the
various setups and different uses that people find while working with this
equipment, and it is quite improper, and may be considered abuse of the
system and rules to post such an off topic comment.
I will make a true effort to correct my English inaccuracies from this
point on for your benefit alone, but please, be considerate to others when
making a post, and remember what it is truly about. It's the reproduction
of the music we listen to Roland, not sentence structure. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Bobby
P.s. I apologize to all who decided to finish reading this post, and I
assure that this is the final response I will make to any off topic
subjects.
I don't mean to nitpick, but perhaps separating such a long passage into
> separate paragraphs would be good. It makes it a lot easier to read and
> more likely that people will take the time to read it. Personally when I
> see something very long like this all in one paragraph, I tend not to read
> it. If it is separated, though, I usually read the post/email in its
> entirety.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XT-100DAB question
>
> >
> >I highly doubt that there is a way to modify any of the changers currenly
> >out there that play mp3's to give a digital output, or vice versa. I
just
> >doesn't seem like something that is easily do-able, unless you're a Sony
> >engineer that is, and they decided that it wasn't a necessity. I guess I
> >find myself stuck on this one question. Most of you, or at least alot of
> >you are running car stereos using a c90 or c910, and a 4000x. Have any
of
> >you actually sat back and listened to the overall quality of sound
> >reproduction of your top quality units while listening to a finely
recorded
> >CD? Then, after having heard your top quality system, how does it sound
or
> >feel to go and listen to someone elses Pioneer or Kenwood, or whatever
they
> >decide to use? It's not fun, nor enjoyable. At least I don't think so.
> >What puzzles me is then, why, having chosen the route of purchasing truly
> >high quality stereo equipment, would you want to install and listen to
mp3
> >audio with this equipment? I honestly have a hard time even burning a cd
> >with an mp3 recorded onto it, if I plan on listening to it in my car.
> >Honestly, if you haven't had the chance, take the time to listen to an
> >actual mp3 burned onto a cd as cd audio (it will sound exactly the same
as
> >it would had it been played in an mp3 changer, if not a little better
since
> >you would be using optical. As much as most people seem to like the idea
> >of
> >mp3's because of $ and availability, they really don't seem to realize
what
> >they're listening to. It's crap! If you really listen to the music, you
> >can hear how layered it is. The highs are very fake, they're there, but
> >they have no depth. They tend to sound very 'tin'ny and lifeless, and
have
> >no direction at all. They seem to mess up the rest of the directional
> >value
> >of the mids since the stereo effect is so compressed. I guess I could go
> >on
> >and on about all the things I hate about listening to mp3's on a nice
> >system, but really, I don't think the issue is big enough to toil over.
If
> >you want to listen to mp3's in your car, buy an mp3 changer, who cares
> >whether it's optically connected or not, you're not listening to clean
> >sound
> >anyways.
> >
> >Bobby
> >
>
> I don't mean to nitpick, but perhaps separating such a long passage into
> separate paragraphs would be good. It makes it a lot easier to read and
> more likely that people will take the time to read it. Personally when I
> see something very long like this all in one paragraph, I tend not to read
> it. If it is separated, though, I usually read the post/email in its
> entirety.
>
> Well, on the other hand I guess it is better than those ones that are "one
> sentence"--no periods or anything.
>
> Roland M.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XT-100DAB question |
>
>Dear Roland,
>
> However, since you did take the time to reply, I then have to look at
>it
>in the manner of you being rude, and truly I have no respect for that.
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Bobby
>
I am sorry if I came off as rude, I didn't mean to be. I was just saying
that it might make it easier to read for not only myself but others as well
if it were a bit spaced out.
I don't care about the length of post (as I often make lengthy posts
myself), but I just find it easier to read in paragraphs rather than one big
lump of writing. I'm sure others will probably find this as well.
Again, I apoligise if I was rude, it was more of a suggestion than a
criticism.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
Just got it this morning!!!! Oh yes!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Botelho <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New XDP-4000x |
Heh heh heh....
Now, let's hope you have a 9 pin serial null-modem cable to program that
puppy with!
:-)
Colin (DP Motorsport) wrote:
>
>Just got it this morning!!!! Oh yes!!!
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Just having a look. My Laptop does not have a serial port. Can you run the
4000 into a parallel port?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: XDP4000X-List: New XDP-4000x
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Just got it this morning!!!! Oh yes!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
Got the cable, just got no serial port in my laptop
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Daniel
Botelho
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New XDP-4000x
Heh heh heh....
Now, let's hope you have a 9 pin serial null-modem cable to program that
puppy with!
:-)
Colin (DP Motorsport) wrote:
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>Just got it this morning!!!! Oh yes!!!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>Got the cable, just got no serial port in my laptop
>
>
What? Your laptop HAS to have one... I don't think I've seen one without
one. What kind of laptop is it? If it truly does not have one, it might
require a docking station or port replicator to use a serial port.
You can't use a parallel port. There are some Serial --> USB adapters out
there but they don't work for every serial device. But if you've got USB
ports then you could try one of those and see if it works.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
It is quite a hi spec laptop to but it definitely does not have a serial
port. It's a Compaq Presario 2715. My bro has a Laptop with a serial port so
i might just use that or will try and get a USB to serial cable.
Image attached:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roland M
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New XDP-4000x
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>Got the cable, just got no serial port in my laptop
>
>
What? Your laptop HAS to have one... I don't think I've seen one without
one. What kind of laptop is it? If it truly does not have one, it might
require a docking station or port replicator to use a serial port.
You can't use a parallel port. There are some Serial --> USB adapters out
there but they don't work for every serial device. But if you've got USB
ports then you could try one of those and see if it works.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Botelho <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New XDP-4000x |
USB to serial adapter *should* work...I've used it on other serial devices.
More and more newer laptops are not coming with serial connections
anymore...
I guess it's a legacy thing...
Daniel
Colin (DP Motorsport) wrote:
>
>It is quite a hi spec laptop to but it definitely does not have a serial
>port. It's a Compaq Presario 2715. My bro has a Laptop with a serial port so
>i might just use that or will try and get a USB to serial cable.
>
>Image attached:
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roland M
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New XDP-4000x
>
>
>
>
>><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>>
>>Got the cable, just got no serial port in my laptop
>>
>>
>>
>>
>What? Your laptop HAS to have one... I don't think I've seen one without
>one. What kind of laptop is it? If it truly does not have one, it might
>require a docking station or port replicator to use a serial port.
>
>You can't use a parallel port. There are some Serial --> USB adapters out
>there but they don't work for every serial device. But if you've got USB
>ports then you could try one of those and see if it works.
>
>Roland M.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | No serial port on laptap |
Would a PS/2 Combo mouse to Serial DB9 adaptor work?
Colin
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: No serial port on laptap |
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=1
81&pcount=&Product_Id=65682&Section.Section_Path=%2FCables%2FAdapters%2FAdap
ters%2E%2E%2EChangers%2F
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colin (DP Motorsport) [mailto:colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk]
> Sent: 01 April 2003 12:49
> To: Xdp4000x-List@Matronics. Com
> Subject: No serial port on laptap
>
> Would a PS/2 Combo mouse to Serial DB9 adaptor work?
>
> Colin
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: No serial port on laptap |
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/store/martprd.dll/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@
@@@0172799945.1049199802@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfadchljdimhecefecfgmdffgdfli.0&p
age=Product&sku=461679&category_oid=-10336
Would this work, it will plug into the long port on my computer and then
into the 4000x?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: XDP4000X-List: RE: No serial port on laptap
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=1
81&pcount=&Product_Id=65682&Section.Section_Path=%2FCables%2FAdapters%2FAdap
ters%2E%2E%2EChangers%2F
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colin (DP Motorsport) [mailto:colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk]
> Sent: 01 April 2003 12:49
> To: Xdp4000x-List@Matronics. Com
> Subject: No serial port on laptap
>
> Would a PS/2 Combo mouse to Serial DB9 adaptor work?
>
> Colin
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: No serial port on laptap |
>From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "Xdp4000x-List(at)Matronics. Com"
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: No serial port on laptap
>Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:49:07 +0100
>
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>Would a PS/2 Combo mouse to Serial DB9 adaptor work?
>
>Colin
>
No, definitely NOT a good idea! A PS/2 mouse port is only for ONE device--a
mouse. Other devices cannot be connected to it!
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Patrick Freeland" <ultra_19(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Brand New Sealed 4000x never been opened |
My old friend and sony dealer up north where I used to live just told me
that he never used his 4000x. In fact he never even took it out of the
package or opened it. It is perfectly sealed in the box. He is still a sony
dealer, but has gone away from the sony craze that we all have had or still
have. Anyway, he may sell his to one of you if you are interested. Here
is his e-mail: roger@bass-car-audio.com his web site is
www.bass-car-audio.com very good and cool guy. Just tell him that Patrick
from West Palm told you about the 4000k. He will probably give you a beter
deal then. I'm still planning on getting rid of my 4000k too, but i want to
sell the whole package....not too sure anyone needs the whole changer, c-90,
4000k package. Anyway...just thought I would lend this to the group.
Imagine..... a sealed 4k.
Patrick Freeland
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: optical /rca quick question-y or n? |
I have had optical working on the deck
>to the eq beforehand, but now I am forced to use the analog outs. I also
>am
>currently using a cdx-848x that does utilize the optical out to the eq.
>Honest to god, I cannot tell any difference between the optical connections
>or the analog one. I am using very high quality pre-amp leads, and I have
>to say that I can tell a difference when cheap ones are used, but really,
>as
>long as you use nice cables, I believe the two sound the same. I would
>still prefer to use optical from the head unit to the eq, since I know that
>it would techically be a cleaner sound, but I just honestly have to say, I
>can't notice the difference. Anyone else?
>
>Bobby
>
Yeah, I can't hear much difference between my analog changer (CDX-T60) and
my digital one (CDX-828). I tried it hearing a difference with the same CD
yesterday and it sounded to me like the bass/low-end was more accurate when
played on the CDX-828's optical connection. The low-end from the T60 had a
very slight hint of muddyness (relative to the optically connected changer).
This is probably the effect of having the D/A converter in the T60 plus
the A/D and the D/A in the 210EQ all process the sound, or it could just be
the way the sound comes out of the T60 to begin with.
But I agree it sounds right close to being identical. Perhaps I should try
the CDX-828 in both analog and digital modes and see if it sounds any
different then...
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Noise on the XDP-210EQ... |
Well, remembering that "noise" everyone was talking about on the XDP-210EQ,
I decided to try it out and see for myself. So here is what I found...
I unplugged the Toslink cable from my CDX-828 changer and proceeded to turn
the volume up on my XR-C9100. The sound remained pretty much silent all the
way to maximum volume.
Then I decided to try the analog changer. So I unplugged the RCAs and
turned up the volume. Sure enough, at about 3/4 volume I heard the noise
which got a little louder as the volume was increased further. I have to
agree that the noise is quite gross :( What really bugs me (and probably
bugged those that were complaining about it) was that it didn't get louder
from min volume to max; rather, it just "turned on" all of a sudden at about
3/4 volume!
I tried it in radio mode and unplugged the master RCAs and ended up with the
same result.
However I didn't notice the noise at all when I had unplugged the Toslink
line to the CDX-828. This means either one of two things...
1. The noise is somehow created by the 210EQs A/D converter and not at the
output stage. Or;
2. The noise IS created through the analog outs on the 210EQ but it didn't
happen when I removed the CDX-828's optical connection because the 210EQ
sensed "DIN-Unlock" on the connection.
I have to test this further with a blank CD track or a silent portion of a
CD to be sure. Somehow I think it will be the second one though as you guys
were complaining about it occuring even when there was an optical connection
in use, right?
The noise is a little disappointing, I have to agree :( But I guess you
can't hear it when there is music playing and as I said before, I think the
210EQ helps the sound more than it hurts it (in this case).
What really gets me about it is how the noise just "turns on" at a certain
volume. I hear a slight "pop" at a certain volume and there it is. Going
one step down completely eliminates it. I have to agree that this is
proably some kind of design flaw in the processor :(
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sirius Satellite Radio |
Hey kids,
I got in on a Sirius Friends and Family deal this week. I got a free Panasonic
Sirius unit and a free antenna and FM modulator. All I had to pay was $15 activation
andI have to pay the monthly service charge of $12.95.
I just want to say that Sirius rocks and if you've thought about trying Sirius,
but are afraid you won't like it, you might be surprized! If you use the FM modulator,
the sound is like clear-radio station sound. If youuse RCA inputs on
your 4000X or Aux-In unit (I replaced my head unit's RCA output on the 4000X's
Master Unit RCA Input with the Sirius RCAOutput), you get sound that's virtually
as good as CD quality. I only say virtually in case it really isn't. The
only way you may ever hear a difference though is if you A/B compare while parked.
It really is that great. There's a lot of channels with junk I'd never listen
to, but at the same time there are a few great stations that murder the stations
I have to listen to locally. Sirius always comes in clean, clear, and
static free.The signalcan be easily blocked if you park under a large, thick tree,
a car port, or go under an underpass, but all in all it rocks. I really love
how it tells you the Artist and Title of the songs that are playing!
I just wanted to share my experiece with everyone. I wanted to do XM with a Sony
tuner to match my C90/4000X, but for free equipment I was willing to do Sirius
and I'm glad I did. I love it.
-Brody Z.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! |
Dear Listers,
I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the 1.5Mb
T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line
and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over
connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished
some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and
interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised!
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Walters <scott(at)packetpushers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sirius Satellite Radio |
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Lord Dremgragen wrote:
> surprized! If you use the FM modulator, the sound is like clear-radio
> station sound. If youuse RCA inputs on your 4000X or Aux-In unit (I
> replaced my head unit's RCA output on the 4000X's Master Unit RCA
> Input with the Sirius RCAOutput), you get sound that's virtually as
> good as CD quality.
Amazing. XM with the 'portable' Sony tuner and FM modulator was crap.
> I only say virtually in case it really isn't. The
> only way you may ever hear a difference though is if you A/B compare
> while parked. It really is that great.
Again amazing. I've got XM with the Sony tuner (XM-T1?) into the 4000 and
while significantly better than FM, nowhere close to CD quality. Bass is
'sloppy', mids and highs can't articulate at higher volumes, detail and
focus of soundstage blurry.
> always comes in clean, clear, and static free.The signalcan be easily
> blocked if you park under a large, thick tree, a car port, or go under
> an underpass, but all in all it rocks. I really love how it tells you
> the Artist and Title of the son! gs that are playing!
Do you get that on the C90 or on the Sirius tuner? With XM going to the
4000 I get it on the C90 and it is very cool.
> I just wanted to share my experiece with everyone. I wanted to do XM
> with a Sony tuner to match my C90/4000X, but for free equipment I was
> willing to do Sirius and I'm glad I did. I love it.
I def think satellite radio is going to spread like satelitte TV has.
Great fun being an early adopter.
--
Scott Walters
-PacketPusher
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Walters <scott(at)packetpushers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Noise on the XDP-210EQ... |
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Roland M wrote:
> The noise is a little disappointing, I have to agree :( But I guess you
> can't hear it when there is music playing
This has come up a few times before about noise/ and it being ok
cause you can't hear it at high listening volumes. I'd like to make
two comments:
1) I've been reading the Complete Guide to High End Audio, and there is a
section about how humans percieve sound which raise an interesting point.
As SPL increases your ears, decrease sensitivity. So in this case, by
raising the 'noise floor' your ears are going to desensitize and hear
less of the music because of it. So your argument may be true about not
hearing it at higher volumes, but I'd bet the farm you could hear a
difference if it was gone.
2) If you like music with large dynamics (where parts of the music get
very quiet e.g. classical, chamber music, floyd, etc.), a high noise floor
completely kills the emotion of the piece as the dynamics change. Granted
in a car, you have to accept the fact you've got a high noise floor from
road noise so it's a demon you have to make your piece with to listen for
enjoyment in the car. But I def don't want my system adding to that
phenomenom.
--
Scott Walters
-PacketPusher
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Leo G. Divingracia III" <ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 04/02/03 |
XDP4000X-List Digest Server wrote:
> From: "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hey kids,
>
> I got in on a Sirius Friends and Family deal this week. I got a free Panasonic
> Sirius unit and a free antenna and FM modulator. All I had to pay was $15 activation
> andI have to pay the monthly service charge of $12.95.
>
got a link for the F&F deal? i just went on their site and doesnt seem
to have a front page link...
is it over? i like sirius that they can stream over the internet for
free if you have an account...
btw do they have a 12 month activiation deal???
--
Leo G. Divinagracia III
ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu
zzzzz
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christopher J. N. Kolaitis" <chrisjnk(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | For Sale Sony XDP4000X |
I have a Sony XDP4000X for sale
It is in perfect operating condition with no marks
Included:
Installation and operating instructions
Digital Sound Creator CD-ROM software
Bus cable and mounting screws
RS232C PC interface communications cable, 10' long
List price $1,000.00, sell price $365.00 shipped anywhere in the USA,
payable by money order or bank cashier check
Shipping from Highland Park, IL 60035 USA
TIA
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
anyone know them- thanks
tim koehle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Changing faceplate lights |
Has anyone ever tried changing the faceplate lights (the green and amber) that
light up the numbers and words "MODE","SOURCE", etc.? People do this for the
Pioneer P9 decks and I was wondering if it could be done for the C90 because my
green color is not as bright as the amber. I was thinking of changing it to
the same color as the blue circle on the volume knob.
Has anyone ever take the faceplate apart....is it safe to?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jamie Hanrahan" <jeh(at)cmkrnl.com> |
| Subject: | No serial port on laptap |
> >Would a PS/2 Combo mouse to Serial DB9 adaptor work?
> >
> >Colin
> >
> No, definitely NOT a good idea! A PS/2 mouse port is only
> for ONE device--a
> mouse. Other devices cannot be connected to it!
>
> Roland M.
Correct. What WILL work however is a USB to serial adapter. I
guarantee that if the laptop has no serial port, it has a USB port. USB
to serial adapters are commonly available for around $30.
I would stay away from Belkin's however - their drivers have crashed my
systems too often.
--- Jamie Hanrahan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Roland M
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:29
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: No serial port on laptap
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: "Xdp4000x-List(at)Matronics. Com"
> >Subject: XDP4000X-List: No serial port on laptap
> >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:49:07 +0100
> >
> ><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> >
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: For Sale Sony XDP4000X |
In a message dated 4/6/03 1:44:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
chrisjnk(at)ix.netcom.com writes:
> I have a Sony XDP4000X for sale
>
> It is in perfect operating condition with no marks
>
> Included:
>
> Installation and operating instructions
> Digital Sound Creator CD-ROM software
> Bus cable and mounting screws
> RS232C PC interface communications cable, 10' long
>
> List price $1,000.00, sell price $365.00 shipped anywhere in the USA,
> payable by money order or bank cashier check
>
> Shipping from Highland Park, IL 60035 USA
>
> TIA
> Chris
how about paypal?? thanks
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christopher J. N. Kolaitis" <chrisjnk(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: For Sale Sony XDP4000X |
Hi Dan,
Thank you for your reply to my ad.
I'm sorry to say that I don't do paypal, but I will work with you the best that
I can.
Where are you located?
Cheers
BAADDOG aka Chris, Windy City BMW Club
97 M3/4 Dinan daily driver and grocery getter.
I can go out, get a loaf of bread and return home faster then anyone in Highland
Park, Illinois
----- Original Message -----
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: For Sale Sony XDP4000X
In a message dated 4/6/03 1:44:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
chrisjnk(at)ix.netcom.com writes:
> I have a Sony XDP4000X for sale
>
> It is in perfect operating condition with no marks
>
> Included:
>
> Installation and operating instructions
> Digital Sound Creator CD-ROM software
> Bus cable and mounting screws
> RS232C PC interface communications cable, 10' long
>
> List price $1,000.00, sell price $365.00 shipped anywhere in the USA,
> payable by money order or bank cashier check
>
> Shipping from Highland Park, IL 60035 USA
>
> TIA
> Chris
how about paypal?? thanks
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Changing faceplate lights |
>
>Has anyone ever tried changing the faceplate lights (the green and amber)
>that light up the numbers and words "MODE","SOURCE", etc.? People do this
>for the Pioneer P9 decks and I was wondering if it could be done for the
>C90 because my green color is not as bright as the amber. I was thinking
>of changing it to the same color as the blue circle on the volume knob.
>
>Has anyone ever take the faceplate apart....is it safe to?
Well while it is probably technically possible it would be difficult to
locate the correct LEDs (they are VERY small flat LEDs) and to de-solder and
re-solder the new ones (if you can even find them). Furthermore I think Car
Stereo Review once noted that Sony USA once tried themselves to get a red
colour instead of the amber/orange colour of the older units for a show car
or something. But even they did not have success and had to keep the lights
amber. CSR reported Sony even tried using a coloured marker on the buttons
to change the shade, but to no avail.
As for taking the FP apart, it is safe to do so IF you know what you are
doing. I've taken a few FPs apart on different occasions. Usually it is to
remove lint from the display area inside, and once I had to fix a button
that was sticking on one unit. In all cases I fixed the small difficulties
with them and closed them back up, good as new.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Changing faceplate lights |
I might try it anyways cause I don't see how it is possible that covering
the LED with a silicone sleeve wouldn't change the colour. The soldering
part sounds dangerous and not worth it. But I wanted the lights to match my
gauge lights, and I thought it might be easy. I'll take it apart and see
what happens.
Thanks,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
> Well while it is probably technically possible it would be difficult to
> locate the correct LEDs (they are VERY small flat LEDs) and to de-solder
and
> re-solder the new ones (if you can even find them). Furthermore I think
Car
> Stereo Review once noted that Sony USA once tried themselves to get a red
> colour instead of the amber/orange colour of the older units for a show
car
> or something. But even they did not have success and had to keep the
lights
> amber. CSR reported Sony even tried using a coloured marker on the
buttons
> to change the shade, but to no avail.
>
> As for taking the FP apart, it is safe to do so IF you know what you are
> doing. I've taken a few FPs apart on different occasions. Usually it is
to
> remove lint from the display area inside, and once I had to fix a button
> that was sticking on one unit. In all cases I fixed the small
difficulties
> with them and closed them back up, good as new.
>
> Roland M.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Changing faceplate lights |
I've opened the face on my 910 thinking about changing the leds and it is
possible to do. I am going to get it done once i find out a bit more about
it. There are two leds for each button, one amber on green. What voltage
would they be running at 12? And where can you buy 12v leds?
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike
Piccin
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
I might try it anyways cause I don't see how it is possible that covering
the LED with a silicone sleeve wouldn't change the colour. The soldering
part sounds dangerous and not worth it. But I wanted the lights to match my
gauge lights, and I thought it might be easy. I'll take it apart and see
what happens.
Thanks,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
> Well while it is probably technically possible it would be difficult to
> locate the correct LEDs (they are VERY small flat LEDs) and to de-solder
and
> re-solder the new ones (if you can even find them). Furthermore I think
Car
> Stereo Review once noted that Sony USA once tried themselves to get a red
> colour instead of the amber/orange colour of the older units for a show
car
> or something. But even they did not have success and had to keep the
lights
> amber. CSR reported Sony even tried using a coloured marker on the
buttons
> to change the shade, but to no avail.
>
> As for taking the FP apart, it is safe to do so IF you know what you are
> doing. I've taken a few FPs apart on different occasions. Usually it is
to
> remove lint from the display area inside, and once I had to fix a button
> that was sticking on one unit. In all cases I fixed the small
difficulties
> with them and closed them back up, good as new.
>
> Roland M.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Changing faceplate lights |
>
>I might try it anyways cause I don't see how it is possible that covering
>the LED with a silicone sleeve wouldn't change the colour. The soldering
>part sounds dangerous and not worth it. But I wanted the lights to match
>my
>gauge lights, and I thought it might be easy. I'll take it apart and see
>what happens.
>
>Thanks,
> Mike
>
It is worth a try so long as you don't break the FP. Also I don't know what
you mean by "sleeve" because the LEDs are FLAT and VERY small, they are not
the round/tube style "normal" LEDs that are commonplace.
Also remember the LEDs are dual colour (green/amber) and putting a film or
sleeve over them will only add colours so you have to make sure to use a
correct colour to "add" to those colours to get the desired effect.
I think the only way to change the colours reliably though, would be to
change the LEDs.
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Some Sony mobile stuff for sale (XR-C900, TV Tuner)... |
Hello,
I've got a couple of things for sale that some of you may be interested.
Before I put them up on eBay, I'm offering them to anyone on the list who
might be interested...
I have two things for sale:
1. An XR-C900 mobile ES Cassette HU
2. My XT-U500V UniLink TV Tuner
As I mentioned before I have a Sony mobile ES XR-C900 that is up for sale.
It includes everything except the wireless remote, box and faceplate CASE.
(I.e. I have the main unit & FP, trim ring, trim ring holders, sleeve,
harness, wired remote (unused) and both manuals.) The unit is in excellent
condition with a few very light scratches on the FP (normal use) and a very
small amount of wear on the rubber coating on the rotary encoder (again,
from normal use).
Most of you know what it is. It is the cassette deck TWIN of the CDX-C910.
The only differences are that the XR-C900 is not a CD deck, instead it is a
cassette deck with LaserAmorphous tape heads and Dolby B/C NR. The other
difference is that the XR-C900 has F/R AND Sub outputs whereas the CDX-C910
only had F/R outputs (if I remember correctly). It can control TV Tuners
and DSPs just like the CDX-C910.
Anyhow, I'm looking to get $120 US shipped for it.
The other thing I'm selling is the XT-U500V UniLink Diversity TV tuner. As
I've mentioned on the list before I recently picked this up on eBay. It is
in very good physical condition with no large scratches or anything like
that. It don't have anything but the tuner itself. There is no UniLink
cable, no harness (though the pin-out is listed right on the unit), and no
other cables/manuals either.
I bought it and unplugged one of my changers and connected the UniLink line
to it, hooked it up to power and tested it out. The unit appeared as a TV
tuner on my HU and attempted to tune stations and work correctly from the
HU, etc. I didn't test it with a monitor as I don't have an LCD nor the
cable to connect it either :( However, judging from the seller feedback and
the physical condition of the unit, I have no reason to believe that it
doesn't work 100%.
I paid about $80 US for it, including shipping, which is exactly the same
thing I'm asking for it. (The $80 incl. shipping only applies in the US or
Canada). The reason I'm selling it is because I realise now that I'm never
going to have the time/money to spend on monitor(s) for my car and even if I
did put a monitor in I'd probably never use it much.
The unit has 4 antenna inputs and a diversity tuner to select the best
signal. In this respect it is a superior tuner to the XT-40V which usually
goes on eBay for around $150 or more. It also has separate LCD/CRT outputs
whereas the 40V had one with a switch. Other than that the function is the
same as the XT-40V AFAIK, except the U500V won't display MD Text information
on the monitor/TV. I'm not really looking to get anything more than what I
paid for it which I think is fair (and a good deal) at $80. Note that you
must have a UniLink head with "TV Control" in order to use this.
If anyone is interested, let me know. I'm going to list these on eBay
within the week if I get no responses here.
Thanks,
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Changing faceplate lights |
LEDs are commonly 2V. Just do a search in google for it or go here:
http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/caraudio.htm
And scroll down the right side.
Good luck, and let us know.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
> I've opened the face on my 910 thinking about changing the leds and it is
> possible to do. I am going to get it done once i find out a bit more about
> it. There are two leds for each button, one amber on green. What voltage
> would they be running at 12? And where can you buy 12v leds?
>
> Colin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike
> Piccin
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
>
>
> I might try it anyways cause I don't see how it is possible that covering
> the LED with a silicone sleeve wouldn't change the colour. The soldering
> part sounds dangerous and not worth it. But I wanted the lights to match
my
> gauge lights, and I thought it might be easy. I'll take it apart and see
> what happens.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
>
>
> > Well while it is probably technically possible it would be difficult to
> > locate the correct LEDs (they are VERY small flat LEDs) and to de-solder
> and
> > re-solder the new ones (if you can even find them). Furthermore I think
> Car
> > Stereo Review once noted that Sony USA once tried themselves to get a
red
> > colour instead of the amber/orange colour of the older units for a show
> car
> > or something. But even they did not have success and had to keep the
> lights
> > amber. CSR reported Sony even tried using a coloured marker on the
> buttons
> > to change the shade, but to no avail.
> >
> > As for taking the FP apart, it is safe to do so IF you know what you are
> > doing. I've taken a few FPs apart on different occasions. Usually it
is
> to
> > remove lint from the display area inside, and once I had to fix a button
> > that was sticking on one unit. In all cases I fixed the small
> difficulties
> > with them and closed them back up, good as new.
> >
> > Roland M.
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby" <mrblackc(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Some Sony mobile stuff for sale (XR-C900, TV Tuner)... |
Hey Roland, I may be interested in the tuner, you have paypal? I was
wondering if that tuner was the one that didn't show the c90 data on the
external screen. I have to research how I'd be able to fit in into my
current system, but I really am interested. Just wanted to let you know
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Some Sony mobile stuff for sale (XR-C900, TV
Tuner)...
>
> Hello,
>
> I've got a couple of things for sale that some of you may be interested.
> Before I put them up on eBay, I'm offering them to anyone on the list who
> might be interested...
>
> I have two things for sale:
> 1. An XR-C900 mobile ES Cassette HU
> 2. My XT-U500V UniLink TV Tuner
>
> As I mentioned before I have a Sony mobile ES XR-C900 that is up for sale.
> It includes everything except the wireless remote, box and faceplate CASE.
> (I.e. I have the main unit & FP, trim ring, trim ring holders, sleeve,
> harness, wired remote (unused) and both manuals.) The unit is in
excellent
> condition with a few very light scratches on the FP (normal use) and a
very
> small amount of wear on the rubber coating on the rotary encoder (again,
> from normal use).
>
> Most of you know what it is. It is the cassette deck TWIN of the
CDX-C910.
> The only differences are that the XR-C900 is not a CD deck, instead it is
a
> cassette deck with LaserAmorphous tape heads and Dolby B/C NR. The other
> difference is that the XR-C900 has F/R AND Sub outputs whereas the
CDX-C910
> only had F/R outputs (if I remember correctly). It can control TV Tuners
> and DSPs just like the CDX-C910.
>
> Anyhow, I'm looking to get $120 US shipped for it.
>
> The other thing I'm selling is the XT-U500V UniLink Diversity TV tuner.
As
> I've mentioned on the list before I recently picked this up on eBay. It
is
> in very good physical condition with no large scratches or anything like
> that. It don't have anything but the tuner itself. There is no UniLink
> cable, no harness (though the pin-out is listed right on the unit), and no
> other cables/manuals either.
>
> I bought it and unplugged one of my changers and connected the UniLink
line
> to it, hooked it up to power and tested it out. The unit appeared as a TV
> tuner on my HU and attempted to tune stations and work correctly from the
> HU, etc. I didn't test it with a monitor as I don't have an LCD nor the
> cable to connect it either :( However, judging from the seller feedback
and
> the physical condition of the unit, I have no reason to believe that it
> doesn't work 100%.
>
> I paid about $80 US for it, including shipping, which is exactly the same
> thing I'm asking for it. (The $80 incl. shipping only applies in the US
or
> Canada). The reason I'm selling it is because I realise now that I'm
never
> going to have the time/money to spend on monitor(s) for my car and even if
I
> did put a monitor in I'd probably never use it much.
>
> The unit has 4 antenna inputs and a diversity tuner to select the best
> signal. In this respect it is a superior tuner to the XT-40V which
usually
> goes on eBay for around $150 or more. It also has separate LCD/CRT
outputs
> whereas the 40V had one with a switch. Other than that the function is
the
> same as the XT-40V AFAIK, except the U500V won't display MD Text
information
> on the monitor/TV. I'm not really looking to get anything more than what
I
> paid for it which I think is fair (and a good deal) at $80. Note that you
> must have a UniLink head with "TV Control" in order to use this.
>
> If anyone is interested, let me know. I'm going to list these on eBay
> within the week if I get no responses here.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland M.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Changing faceplate lights |
If they are 2v then i can get them no problem. Can anyone guarantee what
voltage they are?
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike
Piccin
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
LEDs are commonly 2V. Just do a search in google for it or go here:
http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/caraudio.htm
And scroll down the right side.
Good luck, and let us know.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
> I've opened the face on my 910 thinking about changing the leds and it is
> possible to do. I am going to get it done once i find out a bit more about
> it. There are two leds for each button, one amber on green. What voltage
> would they be running at 12? And where can you buy 12v leds?
>
> Colin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike
> Piccin
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
>
>
> I might try it anyways cause I don't see how it is possible that covering
> the LED with a silicone sleeve wouldn't change the colour. The soldering
> part sounds dangerous and not worth it. But I wanted the lights to match
my
> gauge lights, and I thought it might be easy. I'll take it apart and see
> what happens.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
>
>
> > Well while it is probably technically possible it would be difficult to
> > locate the correct LEDs (they are VERY small flat LEDs) and to de-solder
> and
> > re-solder the new ones (if you can even find them). Furthermore I think
> Car
> > Stereo Review once noted that Sony USA once tried themselves to get a
red
> > colour instead of the amber/orange colour of the older units for a show
> car
> > or something. But even they did not have success and had to keep the
> lights
> > amber. CSR reported Sony even tried using a coloured marker on the
> buttons
> > to change the shade, but to no avail.
> >
> > As for taking the FP apart, it is safe to do so IF you know what you are
> > doing. I've taken a few FPs apart on different occasions. Usually it
is
> to
> > remove lint from the display area inside, and once I had to fix a button
> > that was sticking on one unit. In all cases I fixed the small
> difficulties
> > with them and closed them back up, good as new.
> >
> > Roland M.
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Changing faceplate lights |
Though I'm not sure of the voltage, I did take apart the face plate last
night in order to figure out if I could change the color of that blue ring
to green.
1. this is a pain. I know why sony doesn't repair these. In order to take
this apart you have to unscrew the three rear screws & pop out the 'source'
button from the front. then you take off the rubber ring on the face & the
circuit board will come out.
As it turns out there are actually two sets of LED's for the illumination
and the ring has several led's underneath it. The bad news is that these
are surface mount LED's and not thru-hole, so if you are going to order
these they are going to be a huge pain to resolder because they are tiny.
If anyone wants to do this and can pull it off, then hats off to you. I
just put mine back together.
>From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
>
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>If they are 2v then i can get them no problem. Can anyone guarantee what
>voltage they are?
>
>Colin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike
>Piccin
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
>
>
>LEDs are commonly 2V. Just do a search in google for it or go here:
>http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/caraudio.htm
>And scroll down the right side.
>Good luck, and let us know.
>Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "M Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Changing faceplate lights |
Well thanks for letting us know. I might just scrap the whole idea all
together...but matching blue LEDs with the numbers would be so cool!
Is it even possible to order these tiny bulbs in the same blue color as the
ring?
Are the LEDs under the ring the same LEDs as the button?...I haven't taken
apart my FP yet, too busy at work.
And how tiny is tiny? Did you take any pics?
Thanks,
Mike
>From: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
>Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:14:33 -0400
>
>
>Though I'm not sure of the voltage, I did take apart the face plate last
>night in order to figure out if I could change the color of that blue ring
>to green.
>
>1. this is a pain. I know why sony doesn't repair these. In order to take
>this apart you have to unscrew the three rear screws & pop out the 'source'
>button from the front. then you take off the rubber ring on the face & the
>circuit board will come out.
>
>As it turns out there are actually two sets of LED's for the illumination
>and the ring has several led's underneath it. The bad news is that these
>are surface mount LED's and not thru-hole, so if you are going to order
>these they are going to be a huge pain to resolder because they are tiny.
>
>If anyone wants to do this and can pull it off, then hats off to you. I
>just put mine back together.
>
>
> >From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
> >
> ><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> >
> >If they are 2v then i can get them no problem. Can anyone guarantee what
> >voltage they are?
> >
> >Colin
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike
> >Piccin
> >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
> >
> >
> >
> >LEDs are commonly 2V. Just do a search in google for it or go here:
> >http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/caraudio.htm
> >And scroll down the right side.
> >Good luck, and let us know.
> >Mike
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Changing faceplate lights |
lets put it this way, they are less than 1 mm wide. If you've ever seen a
surface mount resistor on a circuit board they are the same size. Think
watchmaking, thats how small they are.
Although I didnt think about it before, for the parts, I suppose you could
find the same blue LED's which are under the ring and replace all of the
green ones with the blue ones, but i'm telling you that this isn't an easy
soldering project & its likely you'll fry the components when you try to
solder & desolder them. Anyway if you wanted the parts you wouldn't get
them from sony, you'd have to go through digi-key or some other supplier.
>From: "M Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
>Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:05:23 -0400
>
>
>Well thanks for letting us know. I might just scrap the whole idea all
>together...but matching blue LEDs with the numbers would be so cool!
>
>Is it even possible to order these tiny bulbs in the same blue color as the
>ring?
>
>Are the LEDs under the ring the same LEDs as the button?...I haven't taken
>apart my FP yet, too busy at work.
>
>And how tiny is tiny? Did you take any pics?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike
>
>
> >From: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
> >Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:14:33 -0400
> >
>
> >
> >Though I'm not sure of the voltage, I did take apart the face plate last
> >night in order to figure out if I could change the color of that blue
>ring
> >to green.
> >
> >1. this is a pain. I know why sony doesn't repair these. In order to
>take
> >this apart you have to unscrew the three rear screws & pop out the
>'source'
> >button from the front. then you take off the rubber ring on the face &
>the
> >circuit board will come out.
> >
> >As it turns out there are actually two sets of LED's for the illumination
> >and the ring has several led's underneath it. The bad news is that these
> >are surface mount LED's and not thru-hole, so if you are going to order
> >these they are going to be a huge pain to resolder because they are tiny.
> >
> >If anyone wants to do this and can pull it off, then hats off to you. I
> >just put mine back together.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> > >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
> > >
> > ><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> > >
> > >If they are 2v then i can get them no problem. Can anyone guarantee
>what
> > >voltage they are?
> > >
> > >Colin
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > >[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike
> > >Piccin
> > >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >LEDs are commonly 2V. Just do a search in google for it or go here:
> > >http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/caraudio.htm
> > >And scroll down the right side.
> > >Good luck, and let us know.
> > >Mike
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
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BIGCOUNTRYCUSTOM(at)aol.com, mars(at)marsinternational.com, MikeG272(at)aol.com,
msmith(at)jlaudio.com
well let me 1st start off by saying it has been a rollercoster ride for the
past week.
up , and down , up , and down
well today i have accualy found myself thoughout all the darknesslight at the
end of the tunnel
you may ask yourself- why am i writing this, it is becouse i finally
believe in alot tof things that most people dont
well it all started about 6 years ago when i got laid off at a local body
shop, i had just returned form tech school, and was just about ready to get
that raise i was working so hard for, on top of it i had a new born baby
coming.
i had just returned back to work , and got called in the office on a wedsday
afternoon, my bosses name was dale, one of the nicest people you could ever
meet, he was the type of person that woulod bend over backwards for a person,
and help them out as much as he possiblly could. my whole life had changed
that day in may, instead of getting the promotion that i had thought i
deserved i had got the boot , and got laid off. i was in so an emotional
state. but i did find work at a local bus garage , painting designes on
busses, the place was called shortway bus company, my brother in law had
scored this job for me, becouse they where in need of a great painter to do
art work for them , on some new busses. i was just about ready to take
anything at that point, becouse i had my 1st child on the way. so i was
there for maybe 7 months, and then the place closed down , due to not
makeing any money in the bus company. both me and my brother in law where
standing in the unemployment line. well i had met alot of cool people
while i was up at the tech center in white house , and though i would call a
few of them , and se if they had any info , on anyone looking for painters,
i thought that this would work well , due to the fact that 90% of them where
reps. i ended up scoreing one of the biggest jobs in detriot, i worked for a
place called motor city collision, and by now, my son was 2 , and my 2nd
child was on her way.
i was never home, but made good money, even though i still have pics of
myself taking family pics, you can still look into my eyes , and see that i
was hating life,
why?
becouse i made awsome money , but was never there for my kids mom , and
most important , my whole family was falling apart, my mom was very sick,
and even though my son was only 2 , i felt like i was never there(witch i
wasn t) but i felt like i was buying his love.
now motor city collision was located in bellville michigan, right neer
detriot airport,
it took me awhile to get back and forth to work , but i guess i didn t mind,
becouse i made $1800.00 pr week, but that thanksgiving, i had told my mom
in a car ride to the store, , i said" mom , i am so unhappy w/ my life, and
i m not working for what i want!"
she then said, "well tim, what do you want?"
i replyed " i want to have a family, and just be happy, no matter how hard i
strugle, i will allways find a way to make it nomatter what, i love my son,
and i have another one on the way, mom what do i do?"
and she had said something that will allways forever be my way of thinking
in life
she said" tim, would you rather have alot of money , and no happines, or
have alot of happyiness , and hardly any money?"
i didn t know what to say , becouse i knew she was so right, till this day ,
i will never forget that car ride
now i guess i should move forward to about a year ago, my kids mom , and i
had split up, and we had our diffrences
and she ended up taking me to court, little did she know that i ended up
getting full custody of both our children.
it was about 2 weeks later that she had finally came over to my place ,and
seen the kids, she ended up giving me hell , and one week later i ended up
being a victim of a kidnapping, and haven t seen my daughter in over a year
and a 1/2, and my poor son dorien has cried in bed over her several nights.
i went into a real bad state of depression, i let everything go, and i wasn
t worried about anything, i really didn t care about life at all.
now onto yeaterday i guess-lol-, i ended up going to court , and getting
papers to find out where she can be located, and after so much time, i
finally got them.
and today has to be the best day of my life, well one of them i would say, i
had a problem w/ my window track for like a week now, and i tried to repair
it myslef yesterday, but my big huge butterfingers couldn t even get in to
grasp the window to get it back on track, so what did i do , i called a real
good friend of mine, that i used to work for awhile back, he wasn t in , but
i did talk to his assistant, and he said, go ahead bring it here, i ll wait
for ya, so i didn t make it yesterday , so i ended up calling josh back, and
saying hey , i ll drop it off in the morning, josh said, no prob tim, so i
wore up this morning, and i took it over there 1st thing , i walk in , and
bob (the owner )says "whats up tim- you looking for a job?" i said, "umm ,
umm, umm," i kinda studered becouse i didn t know what to say , i ended up
saying yes, acually i am , in a really low tone, so bob, and i had talked
for about 20 mins, while my sister sat in the car waiting for me to come
out,lol
and i said , ohh yeah bob, i accaully came to get my car fixed, and he said
he whould have bryan fix it in the morning-lol-
so now i am back working, and tring to do better formyself, and I HOPE
THAT ALL WORKS OUT FOR ME IN THE END
i went to church last sunday for the 1st time , in a long time, and i sat
there w/ my son, and looked at the statue of jc hanging, i prayed for him
to make my life better, and that i was really tring to kill myslef, and i
wasn t the man , that somepeople had met,
to be in all honesty, i have only loved 2 women in my life, and one was my
daughter , and the other one is not in my life anymore, becouse i messed up
real bad!
by trying to make myself seem like i am something i am not, i allways
felt that she was so above me in every way , and i would just try and get
myself up there, nomatter what i would have to do, i would lie to this women
fal worse apart,
but i m glad that she gave me the opertunity to really get to know her,
becouse deep inside she is such a beautiful women, and i miss telling her
that , and i miss telling my little angle, i want her to grow up to be like
the women i m talking about.
i have apoligized in every way , even when i don t think that they can hear,
but sometimes i think the message gets though.
well i m off to a new start, and i just want everyone to wish me luck in
going back to work , and making the money i finally deserve again, it s been
along time, but i can do it, i know i am a man, and i know i have broken
many bridges, and hurt alot of people, and i have tried to appoligize in so
many ways.
but to the people reading this, i just thought i would say , i ve had it
pretty bad the last couple of years, and it seems to be getting better.
and just wish me luck on my
NEW HOPE!
thanks for taking the time to read this,
tim koehle
p.s. my # has changed back , to many sales calls, and other people that i
don t know calling
tk
419-514-5837
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Visentine <jvisentine(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | FYI - XDP4000X - 2 For Sale on eBay |
Just an FYI - There are 2 XDP4K's on ebay. Here are
the links...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3017263107&category=14931
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3017696152&category=3290
Good luck!
Later,
Randy V.
Houston TX
C90/XDP4K
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jamie Hanrahan" <jeh(at)cmkrnl.com> |
| Subject: | Changing faceplate lights |
> I might try it anyways cause I don't see how it is possible
> that covering the LED with a silicone sleeve wouldn't change
> the colour.
It won't change the color. It will make the light less bright, that's
all. Maybe mask it off completely.
The light from LEDs (except the new white ones) is pretty close to
monochromatic. If you start with, say, an amber LED and try to filter
it to red, green, or blue, you will get nothing (or at best, just less
amber), because there isn't any light of those wavelengths coming out of
the LED in the first place.
If you want a demonstration, just find an LED clock (not LCD or VTF) and
hold a filter of a different color in front of it.
--- Jamie Hanrahan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Piccin
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 14:27
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
>
>
> -->
>
The soldering part sounds dangerous and not worth
> it. But I wanted the lights to match my gauge lights, and I
> thought it might be easy. I'll take it apart and see what happens.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Changing faceplate lights
>
>
> > Well while it is probably technically possible it would be
> difficult
> > to locate the correct LEDs (they are VERY small flat LEDs) and to
> > de-solder
> and
> > re-solder the new ones (if you can even find them). Furthermore I
> > think
> Car
> > Stereo Review once noted that Sony USA once tried
> themselves to get a
> > red colour instead of the amber/orange colour of the older
> units for a
> > show
> car
> > or something. But even they did not have success and had
> to keep the
> lights
> > amber. CSR reported Sony even tried using a coloured marker on the
> buttons
> > to change the shade, but to no avail.
> >
> > As for taking the FP apart, it is safe to do so IF you know
> what you
> > are doing. I've taken a few FPs apart on different occasions.
> > Usually it is
> to
> > remove lint from the display area inside, and once I had to fix a
> > button that was sticking on one unit. In all cases I fixed
> the small
> difficulties
> > with them and closed them back up, good as new.
> >
> > Roland M.
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote |
Hey guys and gals. I just wanted to do a little advertising for this nice guy on
eBay selling his extra remote.*wink, wink*
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
-Brody Z.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Visentine <jvisentine(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote |
Those links didn't work. Try this one..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3018651580&category=14933
Thanks for the tip. I really need a new one!
Randy V.
--- Lord Dremgragen wrote:
> Dremgragen"
>
> Hey guys and gals. I just wanted to do a little
> advertising for this nice guy on eBay selling his
> extra remote.*wink, wink*
>
>
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
>
> -Brody Z.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jamie Hanrahan" <jeh(at)cmkrnl.com> |
| Subject: | Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote |
You know, I put off adding that remote for the longest time. "I don't
need it," I said to myself. "It's silly. It takes barely a stretch to
reach C90's faceplate."
Now I don't know how I lived without it.
Now if only it would control my MP3 player too... (Neo Car Jukebox)
--- Jamie Hanrahan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Randy Visentine
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:48
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
>
>
> -->
>
> Those links didn't work. Try this one..
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3018651580&
category=14933
Thanks for the tip. I really need a new one!
Randy V.
--- Lord Dremgragen wrote:
> Dremgragen"
>
> Hey guys and gals. I just wanted to do a little
> advertising for this nice guy on eBay selling his
> extra remote.*wink, wink*
>
>
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580">http
://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
>
> -Brody Z.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote |
I just got done with a project to wire the c90 to a new wheel mounted
remote.
details to come...
>From: "Jamie Hanrahan" <jeh(at)cmkrnl.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
>Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:38:51 -0700
>
>
>You know, I put off adding that remote for the longest time. "I don't
>need it," I said to myself. "It's silly. It takes barely a stretch to
>reach C90's faceplate."
>
>Now I don't know how I lived without it.
>
>Now if only it would control my MP3 player too... (Neo Car Jukebox)
>
> --- Jamie Hanrahan
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> > Of Randy Visentine
> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:48
> > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
> >
> >
> > -->
> >
> > Those links didn't work. Try this one..
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3018651580&
>category=14933
>
>Thanks for the tip. I really need a new one!
>
>Randy V.
>
>
>--- Lord Dremgragen wrote:
> > Dremgragen"
> >
> > Hey guys and gals. I just wanted to do a little
> > advertising for this nice guy on eBay selling his
> > extra remote.*wink, wink*
> >
> > >
>href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580">http
>://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
> >
> > -Brody Z.
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote |
>From: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
>Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:43:24 -0400
>
>
>I just got done with a project to wire the c90 to a new wheel mounted
>remote.
>
>details to come...
>
Is this some kind of custom made remote, or are you just talking about the
regular wired remote that comes with the C90?
Also on the topic of the wired remote, can't you use one of the other wired
remotes like the RM-X4S/X2S with the C90 IF you access the SIRCS line?
SIRCS is carried over UniLink I know, but I'm not too sure if the strange
connector that the C90 wired remote uses, involves SIRCS or some proprietary
C90 remote language.
Any thoughts?
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote |
That's how I think, "I can reach the C90." I wanted to use the wired remote, but
really there's nowhere to mount it in my small car. I thought maybe I could
fetch a few extra $$ out of it since I can't really use it, but it doesn't look
like anyone is interested in bidding. : (
-Brody Z.
From: "Jamie Hanrahan" <JEH(at)CMKRNL.COM>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:38:51 -0700
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Jamie Hanrahan"
You know, I put off adding that remote for the longest time. "I don't
need it," I said to myself. "It's silly. It takes barely a stretch to
reach C90's faceplate."
Now I don't know how I lived without it.
Now if only it would control my MP3 player too... (Neo Car Jukebox)
--- Jamie Hanrahan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Randy Visentine
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:48
To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine
--
Those links didn't work. Try this one..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
category=14933
Thanks for the tip. I really need a new one!
Randy V.
--- Lord Dremgragen wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord
Dremgragen"
Hey guys and gals. I just wanted to do a little
advertising for this nice guy on eBay selling his
extra remote.*wink, wink*
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580"http
://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
-Brody Z.
http://www.matronics.com/archives
Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote |
Ok check out these pictures
http://www.solustechnologies.com/supra
I apologize in advance as this can be a slow web server.
>From: "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
>Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:05:53 +0000
>
>
>
>
>That's how I think, "I can reach the C90." I wanted to use the wired
>remote, but really there's nowhere to mount it in my small car. I thought
>maybe I could fetch a few extra $$ out of it since I can't really use it,
>but it doesn't look like anyone is interested in bidding. : (
>
>-Brody Z.
>
>
>From: "Jamie Hanrahan" <JEH(at)CMKRNL.COM>
>To:
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
>Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:38:51 -0700
>
>-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Jamie Hanrahan"
>
>You know, I put off adding that remote for the longest time. "I don't
>need it," I said to myself. "It's silly. It takes barely a stretch to
>reach C90's faceplate."
>
>Now I don't know how I lived without it.
>
>Now if only it would control my MP3 player too... (Neo Car Jukebox)
>
> --- Jamie Hanrahan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Randy Visentine
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:48
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine
> --
>
> Those links didn't work. Try this one..
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
>category=14933
>
>Thanks for the tip. I really need a new one!
>
>Randy V.
>
>
>--- Lord Dremgragen wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord
> Dremgragen"
>
> Hey guys and gals. I just wanted to do a little
> advertising for this nice guy on eBay selling his
> extra remote.*wink, wink*
>
>
>href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580"http
>://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
>
> -Brody Z.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
>
>Protect your PC - Click here for
>McAfee.com VirusScan Online
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote |
That's pretty slick, David. Props.
-Brody Z.
From: "David Kennedy" <DKENNED1(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:14:56 -0400
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "David Kennedy"
Ok check out these pictures
http://www.solustechnologies.com/supra
I apologize in advance as this can be a slow web server.
From: "Lord Dremgragen" <DREMGRAGEN(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:05:53 +0000
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord Dremgragen"
That's how I think, "I can reach the C90." I wanted to use the wired
remote, but really there's nowhere to mount it in my small car. I thought
maybe I could fetch a few extra $$ out of it since I can't really use it,
but it doesn't look like anyone is interested in bidding. : (
-Brody Z.
From: "Jamie Hanrahan" <JEH(at)CMKRNL.COM>
To:
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:38:51 -0700
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Jamie Hanrahan"
You know, I put off adding that remote for the longest time. "I don't
need it," I said to myself. "It's silly. It takes barely a stretch to
reach C90's faceplate."
Now I don't know how I lived without it.
Now if only it would control my MP3 player too... (Neo Car Jukebox)
--- Jamie Hanrahan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Randy Visentine
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:48
To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine
--
Those links didn't work. Try this one..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
category=14933
Thanks for the tip. I really need a new one!
Randy V.
--- Lord Dremgragen wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord
Dremgragen"
Hey guys and gals. I just wanted to do a little
advertising for this nice guy on eBay selling his
extra remote.*wink, wink*
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580"http
://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
-Brody Z.
http://www.matronics.com/archives
Protect your PC - Click here for
McAfee.com VirusScan Online
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote |
I need those three IASCA Creativity points!!!
>From: "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
>Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 04:53:08 +0000
>
>
>
>
>That's pretty slick, David. Props.
>
>-Brody Z.
>
>
>From: "David Kennedy" <DKENNED1(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
>Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:14:56 -0400
>
>-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "David Kennedy"
>
>Ok check out these pictures
>
>http://www.solustechnologies.com/supra
>
>
>I apologize in advance as this can be a slow web server.
>
>
> From: "Lord Dremgragen" <DREMGRAGEN(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
> Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:05:53 +0000
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord Dremgragen"
>
>
>
> That's how I think, "I can reach the C90." I wanted to use the wired
> remote, but really there's nowhere to mount it in my small car. I thought
> maybe I could fetch a few extra $$ out of it since I can't really use it,
> but it doesn't look like anyone is interested in bidding. : (
>
> -Brody Z.
>
>
> From: "Jamie Hanrahan" <JEH(at)CMKRNL.COM>
> To:
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:38:51 -0700
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Jamie Hanrahan"
>
> You know, I put off adding that remote for the longest time. "I don't
> need it," I said to myself. "It's silly. It takes barely a stretch to
> reach C90's faceplate."
>
> Now I don't know how I lived without it.
>
> Now if only it would control my MP3 player too... (Neo Car Jukebox)
>
> --- Jamie Hanrahan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Randy Visentine
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:48
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony RM-X90 Wired Remote
>
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Randy Visentine
> --
>
> Those links didn't work. Try this one..
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
> category=14933
>
> Thanks for the tip. I really need a new one!
>
> Randy V.
>
>
> --- Lord Dremgragen wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Lord
> Dremgragen"
>
> Hey guys and gals. I just wanted to do a little
> advertising for this nice guy on eBay selling his
> extra remote.*wink, wink*
>
>
> href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580"http
> ://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3018651580
>
> -Brody Z.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
>
> Protect your PC - Click here for
> McAfee.com VirusScan Online
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | aprintis(at)attbi.com |
| Subject: | WTD Single OZ Audio 6.5 cs-189 mid bass driver |
Hey Guy's,
I 'm on the search for a 6.5 Oz Audio mid bass driver. If you or if you know anyone
who
has a single driver and wants to to sell it. Let me know. If you have two, I am
sure we can
work things out.
Thanks Tony
________________________________________________________________________________
i have one for sale, everything you need besides the optical bable to go
along w/ it
$400.00+shipping- it s not that heavy of a part, so it won t be that much
going anywhere in the usa
well let me know
thanks man
tim
419-514-5837
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 4000x for sale |
Has anyone seen the new eclipse cd8053?!!! Anyone want to convince me of why
I should keep my 4000x and c90??? I'm leaning towards the new eclipse because
of price and all those features!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: eclipse 8053 vs. c90/4000x |
Sorry, sending this in again with new subject line....please read below...
In a message dated 4/20/2003 7:31:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Hyo68(at)aol.com
writes:
>
> Has anyone seen the new eclipse cd8053?!!! Anyone want to convince me of
> why
> I should keep my 4000x and c90??? I'm leaning towards the new eclipse
> because
> of price and all those features!!!
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson(at)chartermi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: eclipse 8053 vs. c90/4000x |
Nope sell the Sony. What do you want for it?
No matter what the Eclipse will always be an Eclipse. Not a brand I've
liked for about 10 years. I've worked at several shops that have sold them
in the past. No consistent problems, just never liked them much. I like
systems that you can expand, not too many options with Eclipse.
The all in one head would be nice as long as it does as well as you need
with all of those functions.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one paid
attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is
tempting me to stray away.
Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more
xover selection, capability for MP3.
Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent
l/r adjustment...
Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys
think...www.eclipse-web.com
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
We already own C90s (or 910s), most of us anyway. We all obviously like them with
our 4kX, and what's so great about the old Sony ES units is ESP! Nobody else
has it. The really nice thing about changing to Eclipse would be -being able
to read the display during daylight! I like my C90 and it's low cost (in case
it has to be replaced). I will stick with it for quite some time yet, I think.
-Brody Z.
From: Hyo68(at)aol.com
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:16:40 EDT
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Hyo68(at)aol.com
I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one paid
attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is
tempting me to stray away.
Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more
xover selection, capability for MP3.
Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent
l/r adjustment...
Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys
think...www.eclipse-web.com
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ". ." <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
How can we make informed comments if all were doing is talking about specs.
I think the Eclipse deck is nice, but balanced line drivers wouldn't cause
me to sell the sony stuff for the eclipse. The eclipse is basically an
All-in-one deck which can be nice. But other than that thats a lot of money
for only a few more features.
And I couldn't agree more...the screens on the C90 suck during the day...I
cannot read a single thing!
Better x-over points ...well you guys know the rest.
Mike
>From: Hyo68(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:16:40 EDT
>
>
>I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one
>paid
>attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is
>tempting me to stray away.
>Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more
>xover selection, capability for MP3.
>
>Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent
>l/r adjustment...
>
>Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys
>think...www.eclipse-web.com
>
>Richard
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
In a message dated 4/23/03 3:18:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Hyo68(at)aol.com
writes:
> I've already sent out a post, but I guess no one is interested or no one
> paid
> attention. I want to stick with my c90 and xdp4kx, but this new eclipse is
> tempting me to stray away.
> Advantages: balanced line, user interface adjustment from headunit, more
> xover selection, capability for MP3.
>
> Disadvantages: no copper chassis, c90 looks 10x better, xdp has independent
>
> l/r adjustment...
>
> Check out the new eclipse and tell me what you guys
> think...www.eclipse-web.com
>
> Richard
I've tried to find info on this eclipse.... and unfortunately cannot........
The eclipse website is less than informative..... How many outputs does it
have? Would i be able to use it as a 4 way xover? thanks
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
In a message dated 4/23/03 8:31:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com writes:
> And I couldn't agree more...the screens on the C90 suck during the day...I
> cannot read a single thing!
> Better x-over points ...well you guys know the rest.
>
> Mike
The 910's display sucks too......... but not sure i could part with
it........
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson(at)chartermi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
If any of you have seen a newer Eclipse during bright sunlight you will know
that all of the display segments appear to light up making it nearly as hard
to read. Not a huge deal either way, but if that's a reason to get a new
deck, you may be disappointed.
>
>
> We already own C90s (or 910s), most of us anyway. We all obviously like
them with our 4kX, and what's so great about the old Sony ES units is ESP!
Nobody else has it. The really nice thing about changing to Eclipse would
be -being able to read the display during daylight! I like my C90 and it's
low cost (in case it has to be replaced). I will stick with it for quite
some time yet, I think.
>
>
> -Brody Z.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
well the biggest reason for me to consider it is that it is an all-in-one
unit with more xover options than the xdp, as we know this is probably the
major fault of the xdp. The eclipse has time alignment and eq, I'm just not
sure on the quality compared to our c90/xdp combos. The eclipse actually has
4 outputs, the last is for sub. I'm seeing a similarity of this to the
dex-p1r...you guys think it is a remodeled p1r? I do like the quality of our
stuff...but how much better sounding can it be? Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Beall" <tom(at)gehrtroberts.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
Where can I see complete specs/features and/or an independent review of this
eclipse piece?
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hyo68(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
>
> well the biggest reason for me to consider it is that it is an all-in-one
> unit with more xover options than the xdp, as we know this is probably the
> major fault of the xdp. The eclipse has time alignment and eq, I'm just
not
> sure on the quality compared to our c90/xdp combos. The eclipse actually
has
> 4 outputs, the last is for sub. I'm seeing a similarity of this to the
> dex-p1r...you guys think it is a remodeled p1r? I do like the quality of
our
> stuff...but how much better sounding can it be? Thanks
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!! |
www.eclipse-web.com download the PDF file it has more info than the site
itself
In a message dated 4/23/2003 11:22:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tom(at)gehrtroberts.com writes:
>
>
> Where can I see complete specs/features and/or an independent review of
> this
> eclipse piece?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Hyo68(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Let's debate: new eclipse cd8053 vs. xdp!!!
>
>
> >
> >well the biggest reason for me to consider it is that it is an all-in-one
> >unit with more xover options than the xdp, as we know this is probably the
> >major fault of the xdp. The eclipse has time alignment and eq, I'm just
> not
> >sure on the quality compared to our c90/xdp combos. The eclipse actually
> has
> >4 outputs, the last is for sub. I'm seeing a similarity of this to the
> >dex-p1r...you guys think it is a remodeled p1r? I do like the quality of
> our
> >stuff...but how much better sounding can it be? Thanks
> >
> >
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Would we all be willing to pay Matronics to develop the new software with
better crossover points? I know i certainly would!!! If we did it might
happen, and fast.
Colin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> |
I would definitely if it got done in reasonable time - it so needs it to
be complete.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: XDP4000X-List: New Software
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Would we all be willing to pay Matronics to develop the new software
with
better crossover points? I know i certainly would!!! If we did it might
happen, and fast.
Colin
________________________________________________________________________________
Agreed, considering we were just talking about it there. That's why i put
this mail out???
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software
I would definitely if it got done in reasonable time - it so needs it to
be complete.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: XDP4000X-List: New Software
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Would we all be willing to pay Matronics to develop the new software
with
better crossover points? I know i certainly would!!! If we did it might
happen, and fast.
Colin
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp,
like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in forums
and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but the
new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal ciruitry
components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is going
for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of
features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY WOULD
PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE ADJUSTABLE!!
while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these
things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points more
adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it
happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
So your in for paying for the new software!!! I'll compile a list of
everyone that will pay for it and send it to Matronics!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Hyo68(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp,
like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in forums
and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but the
new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal
ciruitry
components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is going
for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of
features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY WOULD
PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE ADJUSTABLE!!
while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these
things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points more
adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it
happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Henry Faison" <hfaison(at)nc.rr.com> |
Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP
Motorsport)
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
So your in for paying for the new software!!! I'll compile a list of
everyone that will pay for it and send it to Matronics!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Hyo68(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp,
like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in forums
and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but the
new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal
ciruitry
components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is going
for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of
features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY WOULD
PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE ADJUSTABLE!!
while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these
things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points more
adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it
happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christof Gommers" <christof.gommers(at)easynet.be> |
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
Same here, you can put me on the list.
Christof.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Faison" <hfaison(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>
> Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Colin (DP
> Motorsport)
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>
>
> <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
> So your in for paying for the new software!!! I'll compile a list of
> everyone that will pay for it and send it to Matronics!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Hyo68(at)aol.com
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>
>
> FORGET about the eclipse 8053! I looked over the specs of the c90 and xdp,
> like really really in depth, and then asked around about the 8053 in
forums
> and the local car audio shops. The old 8062 is on par with the c90, but
the
> new 8053 loses to the c90 in many aspects....quality of the internal
> ciruitry
> components, no burr-brown, no copper chassis, ....basically eclipse is
going
> for the wider market, that's why it's such a good deal with a lot of
> features. I would like to have balanced lines though....AND DEFINITELY
WOULD
> PAY FOR MATRONICS TO CREATE A WAY TO MAKE THE XOVER POINTS MORE
ADJUSTABLE!!
> while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these
> things from our head unit!! If anybody is able to make the xover points
more
> adjustable and abundant, I don't see why I would put in money to see it
> happen....this way our stuff does not become obsolete any time soon!!!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson(at)chartermi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my
understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X.
There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the
hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available.
The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will
have other components.
________________________________________________________________________________
The crossover points are limited to 253 different points of something, just
need software to unlock it!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug
Dobson
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my
understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X.
There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the
hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available.
The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will
have other components.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | aprintis(at)attbi.com |
| Subject: | Paying for software |
You can count me in ! Hey, Matt, how much would you figure will need from us?
Tony
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
In a message dated 4/23/03 11:00:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hfaison(at)nc.rr.com writes:
> Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry
me as well.......
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ". ." <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> |
I am very intersted and I think all you need is a good hacker to "unlock"
the software. Sony "locked" (or picked) those x-over points so that
basically your system only sounded really good with the specifically
designed matching Sony ES sub, mids and tweets. If they made multiple
Sony has done this with everything they sell...a perfect example is the
memory stick which only works with sony gear.
Mike
>From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:20:09 +0100
>
><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
>The crossover points are limited to 253 different points of something, just
>need software to unlock it!!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug
>Dobson
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>
>
>
>
>The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my
>understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X.
>There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the
>hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available.
>The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will
>have other components.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bobby Braun <BobbyBraun(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
My only question is this. How sure is Matronics and the rest of us that
this task is actually possible. I've yet to hear or understand a valid or
believable reason as to why Sony did not make this an option with the 4000x
in the first place. It makes me wonder if the crossover only switches
between different already pre-set modes because of internal hardware. Are
we even sure that it even has a fully digital crossover system that can be
manipulated solely with software? How can we be sure that it is possible
for the 4000x to support other modes? It just doesn't add up. Sure I'd pay
for more options, probably almost as much as I paid for the unit in the
first place, but until someone can explain to me how and why it's possible,
I'm still going to be skeptical. Please, I'm asking someone to prove me
wrong, please. I want more crossover points as bad if not worse than anyone
else!
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: <NOTGSXR(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>
> In a message dated 4/23/03 11:00:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> hfaison(at)nc.rr.com writes:
>
> > Count me in, I'll chip in for new crossover points. Thank you, Henry
>
>
> me as well.......
>
>
> Dan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
04/24/2003 08:50:18 AM,
Serialize complete at 04/24/2003 08:50:18 AM
Count me in! I am with Doug on this note, wouldn't we have to change out
some parts on the inside of XDP? If not let's do it!
P.S. Doug, I did not forget about you, I will get the money out to you
ASAP.
Thanks,
Jayson Gold
PC/Network Specialist
Eli Lilly Federal Credit Union
225 S. East Street, Suite 300
Indianapolis, IN 46202
317-276-3055
800-621-2105
"Doug Dobson"
Sent by: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
04/23/2003 09:15 PM
Please respond to xdp4000x-list
To:
cc:
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my
understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X.
There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the
hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available.
The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will
have other components.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | aprintis(at)attbi.com |
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
Hey Matt, what are your view's on the subject?
Tony
>
> Count me in! I am with Doug on this note, wouldn't we have to change out
> some parts on the inside of XDP? If not let's do it!
>
> P.S. Doug, I did not forget about you, I will get the money out to you
> ASAP.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jayson Gold
> PC/Network Specialist
> Eli Lilly Federal Credit Union
> 225 S. East Street, Suite 300
> Indianapolis, IN 46202
> 317-276-3055
> 800-621-2105
>
>
> "Doug Dobson"
> Sent by: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> 04/23/2003 09:15 PM
> Please respond to xdp4000x-list
>
> To:
> cc:
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>
>
>
>
> The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my
> understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X.
> There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the
> hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available.
> The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will
> have other components.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
Okay, you guys convinced me I need to breakout the 'ol development system
and finish up my 4kControl application! I have currently loaned my spare
4000x to Phatnoise so they can better support the C90/4000x combination,
though. They're making great progress on this, by the way. I expect to
have the 4000x back in the next couple of months and I will get things set
up and see if I can't knock out the crossover section of the 4kControl App.
As to whether or not the 4000x will support additional crossover points, I
still don't know for sure. Based on the software interface to the 4000x,
it does seem possible, but whether or not the hardware will actually do
anything with the extra points is still unclear.
Matt Dralle
Matronics
At 09:58 AM 4/24/2003 Thursday, you wrote:
>
>Hey Matt, what are your view's on the subject?
>
>Tony
> >
> > Count me in! I am with Doug on this note, wouldn't we have to change out
> > some parts on the inside of XDP? If not let's do it!
> >
> > P.S. Doug, I did not forget about you, I will get the money out to you
> > ASAP.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jayson Gold
> > PC/Network Specialist
> > Eli Lilly Federal Credit Union
> > 225 S. East Street, Suite 300
> > Indianapolis, IN 46202
> > 317-276-3055
> > 800-621-2105
> >
> >
> > "Doug Dobson"
> > Sent by: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > 04/23/2003 09:15 PM
> > Please respond to xdp4000x-list
> >
> > To:
> > cc:
> > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my
> > understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X.
> > There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the
> > hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available.
> > The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will
> > have other components.
> >
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
Don Henley
Long Way Home, 1982
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
That's really good news about Phatnoise. I would really like one of those drives...
I only wish they were slightly more affordable.
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:23:05 -0700
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, you guys convinced me I need to breakout the 'ol development system
and finish up my 4kControl application! I have currently loaned my spare
4000x to Phatnoise so they can better support the C90/4000x combination,
though. They're making great progress on this, by the way. I expect to
have the 4000x back in the next couple of months and I will get things set
up and see if I can't knock out the crossover section of the 4kControl App.
As to whether or not the 4000x will support additional crossover points, I
still don't know for sure. Based on the software interface to the 4000x,
it does seem possible, but whether or not the hardware will actually do
anything with the extra points is still unclear.
Matt Dralle
Matronics
At 09:58 AM 4/24/2003 Thursday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: aprintis(at)attbi.com
Hey Matt, what are your view's on the subject?
Tony
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: JGold(at)elfcu.org
Count me in! I am with Doug on this note, wouldn't we have to change out
some parts on the inside of XDP? If not let's do it!
P.S. Doug, I did not forget about you, I will get the money out to you
ASAP.
Thanks,
Jayson Gold
PC/Network Specialist
Eli Lilly Federal Credit Union
225 S. East Street, Suite 300
Indianapolis, IN 46202
317-276-3055
800-621-2105
"Doug Dobson"
Sent by: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com
04/23/2003 09:15 PM
Please respond to xdp4000x-list
To:
cc:
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Doug Dobson"
The crossover points are not just a matter of software from my
understanding. It is a limit of some of the components within the 4000X.
There is a certain mathematical limit to the possibilities from the
hardware, now, I'm not too sure of other hardware that might be available.
The current crossover points work perfect for me and any new systems will
have other components.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
There's three sides to every story, babe. There's your's;
there's mine; and there's the cold, hard truth...
Don Henley
Long Way Home, 1982
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
Ive written a small windows app that is able to select the full
range of crossover poinst the XDP-4000X RS232 Interface Protocol
(THANKS MATT) seems to offer. But actually it does not work. You
can select all the crossover points the DSC can but all other are
ignored by the XDP. The processor stays in the last selected
"valid" xo point.
The app is rather limited because furhter developement seem to
be nonsense. In its current state all slopes are hardcoded
to 72 dB/oct and only the xo points of filter D, C and A can be
adjusted, the app will not check for a connected XDP and
only COM1 is supported.
If you wand to try by yourself- send me a mail and ill send
you the software via email. Sorry for this bad news.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Software |
>From: Hyo68(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: New Software
>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:37:42 EDT
>
>
>while we're at it, why not just design a way so that we can adjust these
>things from our head unit!!
Uhh, not to discourage, but that would require essentially re-engineering
the whole HU or making one from scratch. "While you're at" doing that you
might as well make a C95 or something and fix all the small flaws the C90
has... This is obviously a lot harder than it sounds!
Roland M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Sony DSC Software |
How professional is this software, i just used the 'Plot' feature and from a
installers point of view how professional is the print out. I wish more of
the stuff we installed had features like this, as if i was a customer and
was given that print out after an install it would very good for customer
satisfaction.
Colin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JACQUES & CLAUDETTE" <cdrapeaubolduc(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Sony DSC Software |
I NEED TO HAVE A ORIGINAL SONY DSC SOFTWARE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
> How professional is this software, i just used the 'Plot' feature and from
a
> installers point of view how professional is the print out. I wish more of
> the stuff we installed had features like this, as if i was a customer and
> was given that print out after an install it would very good for customer
> satisfaction.
>
> Colin
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christopher J. N. Kolaitis" <chrisjnk(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sony DSC Software |
Hello,
I can send you a copy via an email attachment, about an 8.10mb file.
Let me know if that will work for you?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: JACQUES & CLAUDETTE
To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software
I NEED TO HAVE A ORIGINAL SONY DSC SOFTWARE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
To:
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
>
> How professional is this software, i just used the 'Plot' feature and from
a
> installers point of view how professional is the print out. I wish more of
> the stuff we installed had features like this, as if i was a customer and
> was given that print out after an install it would very good for customer
> satisfaction.
>
> Colin
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bobby Braun <BobbyBraun(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sony DSC Software |
Just download it off the matronics website, you have your pick of 2
versions, and it's readily available.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JACQUES & CLAUDETTE" <cdrapeaubolduc(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software
>
> I NEED TO HAVE A ORIGINAL SONY DSC SOFTWARE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software
>
>
> <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
> >
> > How professional is this software, i just used the 'Plot' feature and
from
> a
> > installers point of view how professional is the print out. I wish more
of
> > the stuff we installed had features like this, as if i was a customer
and
> > was given that print out after an install it would very good for
customer
> > satisfaction.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lord Dremgragen" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sony DSC Software |
Now I doubt that you "NEED" an original copy of the DSC software (I'm assuming
you want an original disc, not a burned one). While not impossible for the consumer
to obtain, they are hard to come by. I have seen one or two in eBay auctions
with 4kX's.
-Brody Z.
From: "JACQUES CLAUDETTE" <CDRAPEAUBOLDUC(at)SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 09:05:26 -0400
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "JACQUES CLAUDETTE"
I NEED TO HAVE A ORIGINAL SONY DSC SOFTWARE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <COLIN@DP-MOTORSPORT.CO.UK>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)"
<COLIN@DP-MOTORSPORT.CO.UK>
How professional is this software, i just used the 'Plot' feature and from
a
installers point of view how professional is the print out. I wish more of
the stuff we installed had features like this, as if i was a customer and
was given that print out after an install it would very good for customer
satisfaction.
Colin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JACQUES & CLAUDETTE" <cdrapeaubolduc(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Sony DSC Software |
OK I WILL APPRECIATE .THK YOU =0D
=0D
-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com=0D
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 09:35:55=0D
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
Hello,=0D
=0D
I can send you a copy via an email attachment, about an 8.10mb file.=0D
=0D
Let me know if that will work for you?=0D
=0D
Chris=0D
----- Original Message -----=0D
From: JACQUES & CLAUDETTE=0D
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
I NEED TO HAVE A ORIGINAL SONY DSC SOFTWARE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE=0D
----- Original Message -----=0D
From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>=0D
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
=0D
=0D
<colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>=0D
>=0D
> How professional is this software, i just used the 'Plot' feature and from=0D
a=0D
> installers point of view how professional is the print out. I wish more of=0D
> the stuff we installed had features like this, as if i was a customer and=0D
> was given that print out after an install it would very good for customer=0D
> satisfaction.=0D
>=0D
> Colin=0D
>=0D
>=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
=2E
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Ko" <kowill(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll |
Hi guys and gals! Just wanted to take a quick poll to see where everyone has their
tweeters crossed over at using their 4000X's, as well as the slopes. Thanks!
William Ko
From: "JACQUES CLAUDETTE" <CDRAPEAUBOLDUC(at)SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:44:05 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "JACQUES CLAUDETTE"
OK I WILL APPRECIATE .THK YOU =0D
=0D
-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com=0D
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 09:35:55=0D
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
=0D
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Christopher J. N. Kolaitis"
=0D
=0D
Hello,=0D
=0D
I can send you a copy via an email attachment, about an 8.10mb file.=0D
=0D
Let me know if that will work for you?=0D
=0D
Chris=0D
----- Original Message -----=0D
From: JACQUES CLAUDETTE=0D
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
=0D
=0D
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "JACQUES CLAUDETTE"
=0D
=0D
I NEED TO HAVE A ORIGINAL SONY DSC SOFTWARE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE=0D
----- Original Message -----=0D
From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <COLIN@DP-MOTORSPORT.CO.UK>=0D
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
=0D
=0D
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)"=0D
<COLIN@DP-MOTORSPORT.CO.UK>=0D
=0D
How professional is this software, i just used the 'Plot' feature and from=0D
a=0D
installers point of view how professional is the print out. I wish more of=0D
the stuff we installed had features like this, as if i was a customer and=0D
was given that print out after an install it would very good for customer=0D
satisfaction.=0D
=0D
Colin=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
=2E
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll |
Heh heh heh...
I was unable to do so, since my XDP has some funky thing
going on the tweeter xover output that causes it to dropout
audio intermittently.
My front doors/tweets are bi-amped, but are tied together
to the mid output on the XDP4k.
If I could run separates, I would for sure!
Daniel
>
> From: "William Ko" <kowill(at)hotmail.com>
> Date: 2003/04/28 Mon PM 02:37:38 EDT
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll
>
>
1
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bobby Braun <BobbyBraun(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Possible timing / phase issues |
I find myself still a bit confused as to how the digital time alignment works in
the 4000x. I've heard rumors that it acually shifts the phase instead of just
delaying the sound from channel to channel. If anyone has any definate knowledge
as to how it actually works, please, enlighten me.
As for the issues I've come across, I've had an extremely difficult time acheiving
a level of bass that I would compare to other systems running similar power
with similar equipment.
I'll give a quick description of what I have. I'm running my 2 - 12" Infinity
Perfect Subs with a Phoenix gold M100 running at 2 ohms bridged mono, so appx
500 watts RMS. To handle the power requirements, I am using an Aluma Pro 5 farad
cap and 2 ga. power wire. The subs run sealed in a 2 ft cubed enclosure.
I'm also using 2 more m100's for front highs and mids, and an Alpine mrv-1505,
running my rear midbass.
The total power from the amplifiers drawing current from my car still far exceeds
the capabilities of my alternator, and my lights start to dim at around -18
db on my c90. FYI, I drive a 95 Buick Regal Gran Sport, I believe the alternator
capacity is between 105 - 115 amps, along with an optima battery installed.
Hard for me to believe, considering the level of the bass that is attained,
it is decent, but doesn't fill the car that well at all, considering what is
being driven.
Upper level frequencies seem to take the most power (from the 70-90 hz range),
causing the lights to dim during peaks and draws even at a somewhat low level.
Driving down the road the other day, I realized that the bass actually got noticibly
louder when rolling down both windows. It's fuller, and fills the car better.
That made me think that the polarity of my subs needed to be switched,
since that's the common answer to that issue.
I went ahead and switched the polarity, and noticed almost no change whatsoever,
the bass level stayed close to the same, the peaks were a little less, but even
after the switch, the continuous bass level got louder, again with the windows
down.
I guess what I am asking is, what exactly is the 4000x doing to the sound going
to my speakers when I enter in those distances to the speakers, and is there
some reason why my bass level is so moderate at this level of power. Obviously
the system is drawing some serious current, as the 5 farad cap and the cars systems
have a hard time with it at such an early volume level.
If anyone has any insight to my problem, I would love to hear, I'm out of answers
at the moment, and am just starting to think either the design is bad, or the
car doesn't have good dynamics.
Bobby
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Beall" <tom(at)gehrtroberts.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll |
If you want to use horn-loaded compression drivers you would want a highpass
as low as 500-800Hz with 24 to 72dB slope. I would like to see that kind of
flexibility. I just finally sold all my USD processors from my old HLCD
system. I would consider going back to HLCD's if the 4000x had crossover
points in that range.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Ko" <kowill(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll
>
>
> Hi guys and gals! Just wanted to take a quick poll to see where everyone
has their tweeters crossed over at using their 4000X's, as well as the
slopes. Thanks!
>
>
> William Ko
>
>
> From: "JACQUES CLAUDETTE" <CDRAPEAUBOLDUC(at)SYMPATICO.CA>
> To:
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:44:05 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "JACQUES CLAUDETTE"
>
> OK I WILL APPRECIATE .THK YOU =0D
> =0D
> -------Original Message-------=0D
> =0D
> From: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com=0D
> Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 09:35:55=0D
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com=0D
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
> =0D
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Christopher J. N. Kolaitis"
> =0D
> =0D
> Hello,=0D
> =0D
> I can send you a copy via an email attachment, about an 8.10mb file.=0D
> =0D
> Let me know if that will work for you?=0D
> =0D
> Chris=0D
> ----- Original Message -----=0D
> From: JACQUES CLAUDETTE=0D
> To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com=0D
> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
> =0D
> =0D
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "JACQUES CLAUDETTE"
> =0D
> =0D
> I NEED TO HAVE A ORIGINAL SONY DSC SOFTWARE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE=0D
> ----- Original Message -----=0D
> From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <COLIN@DP-MOTORSPORT.CO.UK>=0D
> To: =0D
> Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
> =0D
> =0D
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP Motorsport)"=0D
> <COLIN@DP-MOTORSPORT.CO.UK>=0D
> =0D
> How professional is this software, i just used the 'Plot' feature and
from=0D
> a=0D
> installers point of view how professional is the print out. I wish more
of=0D
> the stuff we installed had features like this, as if i was a customer
and=0D
> was given that print out after an install it would very good for
customer=0D
> satisfaction.=0D
> =0D
> Colin=0D
> =0D
> =0D
> =0D
> =0D
> =0D
> =2E
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Visentine <jvisentine(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll |
You can use the 2nd mid out set to 500Hz @ 72dB with
the "low pass" set to 0dB/octave (bypassed) and then
you have a 500Hz high-pass. This will yeild the
tweeter output useless (unless you bypass it and have
use for a full range output for rear fill), but a 3
way system is still possible with 78Hz, and 500Hz
points.
I am looking for a small tweet that will go down to
1000Hz and use this same methood with 8.75" Vifa's in
my doors from 78-1000Hz and the tweets on the
A-Pillars from 1000Hz and up to raise the soundstage.
For now, I am using the 4KHz crossover on the tweet
channel with 6.5" quarts in the doors - BUT I plan on
getting these 8.75" Vifa's installed as
midbass/midrange so I will end up using the analog
crossover on my Sony XM-7547 amp set to approx 2.5Khz.
I really don't want to bypass such a nice feature on
this processor, but the crossover point is as
important as EQ and placement, so the analog X-Over
processing is a worthwhile trade-off.
These 8.75" Vifa's are the same ones out of the Mackie
Studio Monitors and are critically acclaimed and are
crossed-over at 2K in these reference monitors, so
2.5Khz is not much of a stretch. Finally incredible
mid-bass I have missed since I used to have two 8"
punch's in each door years and years ago.
I will probaby venture into some kind of dome
mid/tweeter A-Pillar pod and run a quad amp system
with 78Hz, 500Hz, and 4KHz points.
Enjoy...
Randy Visentine
C90/XDP4K + 2150Watts
--- Tom Beall wrote:
>
>
> If you want to use horn-loaded compression drivers
> you would want a highpass
> as low as 500-800Hz with 24 to 72dB slope. I would
> like to see that kind of
> flexibility. I just finally sold all my USD
> processors from my old HLCD
> system. I would consider going back to HLCD's if
> the 4000x had crossover
> points in that range.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Ko" <kowill(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover
> poll
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi guys and gals! Just wanted to take a quick poll
> to see where everyone
> has their tweeters crossed over at using their
> 4000X's, as well as the
> slopes. Thanks!
> >
> >
> > William Ko
> >
> >
> > From: "JACQUES CLAUDETTE"
>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software
> > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:44:05 -0400 (Eastern
> Daylight Time)
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "JACQUES
> CLAUDETTE"
>
> >
> > OK I WILL APPRECIATE .THK YOU =0D
> > =0D
> > -------Original Message-------=0D
> > =0D
> > From: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com=0D
> > Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 09:35:55=0D
> > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com=0D
> > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
> > =0D
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Christopher
> J. N. Kolaitis"
> > =0D
> > =0D
> > Hello,=0D
> > =0D
> > I can send you a copy via an email attachment,
> about an 8.10mb file.=0D
> > =0D
> > Let me know if that will work for you?=0D
> > =0D
> > Chris=0D
> > ----- Original Message -----=0D
> > From: JACQUES CLAUDETTE=0D
> > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com=0D
> > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
> > =0D
> > =0D
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "JACQUES
> CLAUDETTE"
> > =0D
> > =0D
> > I NEED TO HAVE A ORIGINAL SONY DSC SOFTWARE IT IS
> POSSIBLE TO HAVE=0D
> > ----- Original Message -----=0D
> > From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)"
> <COLIN@DP-MOTORSPORT.CO.UK>=0D
> > To: =0D
> > Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony DSC Software=0D
> > =0D
> > =0D
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Colin (DP
> Motorsport)"=0D
> > <COLIN@DP-MOTORSPORT.CO.UK>=0D
> > =0D
> > How professional is this software, i just used
> the 'Plot' feature and
> from=0D
> > a=0D
> > installers point of view how professional is the
> print out. I wish more
> of=0D
> > the stuff we installed had features like this,
> as if i was a customer
> and=0D
> > was given that print out after an install it
> would very good for
> customer=0D
> > satisfaction.=0D
> > =0D
> > Colin=0D
> > =0D
> > =0D
> > =0D
> > =0D
> > =0D
> > =2E
> >
> >
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll |
im getting ready to wire my system, do you guys know what rca out puts are
for high pass, and whitch ones are for lowpass?
thanks
tim
419-514-5837
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| Subject: | Re: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll |
In a message dated 4/29/03 7:47:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jvisentine(at)yahoo.com writes:
> I will probaby venture into some kind of dome
> mid/tweeter A-Pillar pod and run a quad amp system
> with 78Hz, 500Hz, and 4KHz points.
This is almost exactly what i am doing. Right now, i have the tweets at 4k.
Midbass at 500hz and midrange um.... somewhere in between (can't remember
now). Focal speakers, old school A/D/S amps...... and a MMATS D300HC for sub
amp.... Also looking for a nice set of 8's that will go up to 500hz.....need
lots of time to play :)
Dan
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| From: | Randy Visentine <jvisentine(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll |
Dynaudio, Vifa, and Morel make some FINE woofers that
play to 2K and up. Like I said, the 8.75" Vifa
woofers I have roll off at 2.5K and are designed
specifically for a studio reference 2-way monitor that
retails for $1500 a pair. And they are 4 Ohm and I
picked up a pair on closeout for $70.00 brand new!
What kind of mids are you running - domes or cones? I
am looking for something really small for an A-pillar
pod with a response from 500Hz to 4KHz.
Later...
Randy Visentine
C90/XDP4K + 2150 Watts
--- NOTGSXR(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/29/03 7:47:17 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> jvisentine(at)yahoo.com writes:
>
> > I will probaby venture into some kind of dome
> > mid/tweeter A-Pillar pod and run a quad amp system
> > with 78Hz, 500Hz, and 4KHz points.
>
>
> This is almost exactly what i am doing. Right now,
> i have the tweets at 4k.
> Midbass at 500hz and midrange um.... somewhere in
> between (can't remember
> now). Focal speakers, old school A/D/S amps......
> and a MMATS D300HC for sub
> amp.... Also looking for a nice set of 8's that
> will go up to 500hz.....need
> lots of time to play :)
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll |
In a message dated 4/29/03 9:40:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jvisentine(at)yahoo.com writes:
> Dynaudio, Vifa, and Morel make some FINE woofers that
> play to 2K and up. Like I said, the 8.75" Vifa
> woofers I have roll off at 2.5K and are designed
> specifically for a studio reference 2-way monitor that
> retails for $1500 a pair. And they are 4 Ohm and I
> picked up a pair on closeout for $70.00 brand new!
>
> What kind of mids are you running - domes or cones? I
> am looking for something really small for an A-pillar
> pod with a response from 500Hz to 4KHz.
>
> Later...
> Randy Visentine
> C90/XDP4K + 2150 Watts
>
Right now, i have my Focal Mistral 165EX 3 way set. The midrange is a 4"
driver. Not at all small. I upgradted the tweets to the TN-51's from the
Utopia line before i ever installed them. Much better tweet. I am planning
on an 8" midbass, the Focal Audiom 6W midrange and the TN-51 tweets. Could
you get me a pair of those 8's? :)
Thanks
Dan
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| From: | Randy Visentine <jvisentine(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP-4000X Tweeter crossover poll |
Dan,
I got these on eBay earlier this month. I have yet to
install them, as I need to fabricate new door panels
first.
I just searched for them again, and there were none
offered. I sent the seller an e-mail. He showed to
have 10 on auction, and I was the only bidder, so he
should theoretically have 8 left.
These are used in the Mackie HR-824 monitors. The
VIFA # is: 490-001-00
They are actually 8.75" OD and 4 Ohm. I think Fs is
like 29Hz! 1.5" VC and poly cone w/rubber surround.
Magnesium cast frame and made in Denmark.
If the seller responds, I will let you know the deal.
Later,
Randy V.
C90+XDP4K & 2150Watts
--- NOTGSXR(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/29/03 9:40:35 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> jvisentine(at)yahoo.com writes:
>
> > Dynaudio, Vifa, and Morel make some FINE woofers
> that
> > play to 2K and up. Like I said, the 8.75" Vifa
> > woofers I have roll off at 2.5K and are designed
> > specifically for a studio reference 2-way monitor
> that
> > retails for $1500 a pair. And they are 4 Ohm and
> I
> > picked up a pair on closeout for $70.00 brand new!
> >
> > What kind of mids are you running - domes or
> cones? I
> > am looking for something really small for an
> A-pillar
> > pod with a response from 500Hz to 4KHz.
> >
> > Later...
> > Randy Visentine
> > C90/XDP4K + 2150 Watts
> >
>
>
> Right now, i have my Focal Mistral 165EX 3 way set.
> The midrange is a 4"
> driver. Not at all small. I upgradted the tweets
> to the TN-51's from the
> Utopia line before i ever installed them. Much
> better tweet. I am planning
> on an 8" midbass, the Focal Audiom 6W midrange and
> the TN-51 tweets. Could
> you get me a pair of those 8's? :)
>
> Thanks
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
>
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| From: | "Patrick Freeland" <ultra_19(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | crossover points poll |
Hey guys,
I have a 4k with the tweets set at 5k and up in my kickpanels....being
that the stage is not as high as I would like it, I have an additional set
of tweets in my dash pillars running along the edge of the windsheild.
These tweets have an a F-MOD crossover combination on them set at 13k@24/db.
This totally raised my soundstage and made everything so much more
realistic....especially the midbass. Great combo. I love it
Patrick Freeland
Patrick Freeland
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| Subject: | Re: crossover points poll |
good, i m glad things worked out well for you!!!!!
tim
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| From: | "Danny Kilcoyne" <dkilcoy1(at)san.rr.com> |
Gotta come up with some quick cash so I'm selling this unit.
Details at:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item3022955910&ssPageNameADME:B:LC:US:1>
Danny Kilcoyne
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| From: | "Danny Kilcoyne" <dkilcoy1(at)san.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP-4k for sale |
Ok, the link didn't work.
Search ebay on "XDP-4000X" and it will be there.
Danny Kilcoyne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny Kilcoyne" <dkilcoy1(at)san.rr.com>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-4k for sale
>
> Gotta come up with some quick cash so I'm selling this unit.
>
> Details at:
>
>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item3022955910&ssPageNameADME
:B:LC:US:1>
>
> Danny Kilcoyne
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XDP-4k for sale |
Seems to be an error in Danny's URL. Here's one that works:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3022955910&category=14931
Matt
At 07:07 AM 5/6/2003 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>Gotta come up with some quick cash so I'm selling this unit.
>
>Details at:
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item3022955910&ssPageNameADME:B:LC:US:1>
>
>Danny Kilcoyne
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| From: | Bobby Braun <BobbyBraun(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | C90 faceplate issues |
A while back, I remember a post about the C90's faceplate being overly fragile.
I've had my c90 for around four years now, and have faithfully used the
remote any time possible to minimize the use of the face.
Well, the other day, just up and out of the blue, the rotary dial on my face
stopped clicking. It just spins now, and isn't nearly as accurate as it used
to be. Very disappointing.
What I'm wondering is, has anyone else had or dealt with this issue before,
and is it something I may fix, i.e. a little piece fell loose inside or whatnot?
Bobby
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| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: C90 faceplate issues |
Either a lot of dirt/junk has gotten in the rotary switch over time (so as
to gum it up enough to stop it from clicking) or it has just worn out. The
latter is more likely I suspect. The C90 uses the same (or a similar)
rotary switch to most other Sony FPs that were made from 96-98 or so. So I
believe you may need to change out the whole rotary switch inside the FP.
It isn't that hard to do (if you have some electronics/soldering
knowhow)--there are just a few points that require being desoldered/soldered
to remove it and install a new one.
Dunno how much the part costs, but looking at partsolver.com at parts that
may be the rotary switch (don't know what part it is for sure), it might be
around $15-20. Again, I can't be sure as to that price as that might be the
outside ring and not the inside switch that I looked up.
Roland M.
>From: Bobby Braun <BobbyBraun(at)comcast.net>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: C90 faceplate issues
>Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:49:33 -0500
>
>
> A while back, I remember a post about the C90's faceplate being overly
>fragile. I've had my c90 for around four years now, and have faithfully
>used the remote any time possible to minimize the use of the face.
>
> Well, the other day, just up and out of the blue, the rotary dial on
>my face stopped clicking. It just spins now, and isn't nearly as accurate
>as it used to be. Very disappointing.
>
> What I'm wondering is, has anyone else had or dealt with this issue
>before, and is it something I may fix, i.e. a little piece fell loose
>inside or whatnot?
>
>Bobby
>
>
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| From: | "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Possible timing / phase issues |
>From: Bobby Braun <BobbyBraun(at)comcast.net>
>Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: XDP4000X-List: Possible timing / phase issues
>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:39:45 -0500
>
>
>I find myself still a bit confused as to how the digital time alignment
>works in the 4000x. I've heard rumors that it acually shifts the phase
>instead of just delaying the sound from channel to channel. If anyone has
>any definate knowledge as to how it actually works, please, enlighten me.
>
>
>Driving down the road the other day, I realized that the bass actually got
>noticibly louder when rolling down both windows. It's fuller, and fills the
>car better. That made me think that the polarity of my subs needed to be
>switched, since that's the common answer to that issue.
>
>I went ahead and switched the polarity, and noticed almost no change
>whatsoever, the bass level stayed close to the same, the peaks were a
>little less, but even after the switch, the continuous bass level got
>louder, again with the windows down.
>
>Bobby
>
Though I am unsure as well as to how a 4000X controls the alignment I think
it does do phase-alignment. I once read that the difference in the
alignment from the 210EQ to the 4000X is that the 210EQ does time-alignment
(delaying the signal) whereas the 4000X does phase-alignment (it changes the
degree of phase of the drivers to accomplish the alignment). Whether there
is a big difference in the methods (or if they are the same even) I don't
know.
As for the bass getting louder rolling down the windows--this will happen in
ANY car! It doesn't have anything to do with phase or anything like that.
With the windows down, the drivers can simply move more air and that results
in greater sound pressure. Does your Regal have a flip-down folding rear
seat or even a "ski" passthough? If it does then I'd recommend folding some
part of the seat down or opening the passthrough. This will make a large
difference in the amount of bass response you get from any given sub setup
that is in the trunk. If you don't have that option then you can always
modify the vehicle so as to "port" the bass into the car by cutting holes in
the rear deck or by removing the rear speakers (if they are in there) and
letting the air flow through the holes.
Roland M.
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| From: | Justin Baron <justinjbaron(at)attbi.com> |
| Subject: | Sony P1 compatibility and Sony changer questions |
Hi All,
Haven't posted here since mid-2001. I have some questions about a product
I just purchased - XES-P1. I know it's not an xdp4k, but you guys seem to
know some things about XES gear.
First off, does anyone know if the P1's analog output clips at full
volume? Does anyone know if the outputs of the X1 clip at full volume,
when used with the P1? I'll eventually measure this myself, but I'm curious.
I've yet to find definitive information about the usage of the P1 with the
XT-XM1 tuner. Some reports say that the P1 cannot be used to control the
XT-XM1 whatsoever. Some reports are that general functionality such as
station changing and station number display are available. I believe the
P1 has limited ability to display text such as track or cd info from any
device. Does anyone have specific experience with the P1 and XM
tuner? How does the P1 refer to the tuner when connected via
unilink/analog - "Aux"?
About changers. How does the C1 stack up against newer changers that
offered optical output? Are there any optical-out changers that cannot be
used with the P1 for any reason? I understand that I'd have only limited
text display, but are there any other caveats to consider with any
changers? Of all optical-out changers, are any of decidedly higher quality
than the others? Anyone have a list of optical-out changers from yesterday
and today?
Finally - I will eventually want to install a CD unit in the dash for easy
disc changes. Since the P1 will always be adjusted independently of
whatever CD unit I use, I don't really need a Sony CD unit. Does anyone
know if there are any high-quality dash-mounted cd transports from any
manufacturer with optical output? I'd prefer a transport only, with no
tuner. Nak makes such units but I believe they all use coaxial digital
outputs...
Thanks for any and all information!
Justin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Yippy234(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sony P1 compatibility and Sony changer questions |
I have my XES-P1/X1 combo working fine with my amplifiers gains turned about
halfway (tweeters) and threequarters of the way (midbasses) turned up. I also
did some level matching using the built-in level adjustments. It plays fine
when I crank it full blast. The tuner which runs through analog has a bit of
a level difference but gets load all the same.
I had the C1 working but it was skipping too much so I set it aside. I now
have a CDX-838 and that has been working like a champ. Rarely skips even when
I bottom out and I do play lots of CDRs. One nice feature on the later
generations of buffered CD players is that when on CD is finished the next CD
almosts begins right away. I think the buffer loads it before the actually CD
is loaded.
As far as the XM tuner I wondered about that myself, I don't think I'll ever
get XM unless I could get a tuner with a digital out.
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| From: | "Doug Dobson" <dougdobson(at)chartermi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sony P1 compatibility and Sony changer questions |
All outputs I've measured are very clean right up to full volume, where some
distortion is visible on an oscilloscope, but VERY minimal. This is the
case with all of the PHs and the Axis that I have.
Not too sure about XM compatibility. I will try to test today. The P1 can
control MD changers and that is how most non-XM receivers see XM, so it is a
possibility.
As far as optical out changers, any unilink changer will work fine with the
P1, and as far as I remember, only unilink changers had optical outs. CD
text will not display on the P1, but of course you will be able to name 110
of your cd.s with each of all but the cheapest changers, and none of the
optical out changers were "cheap". The C1 is by far the best design and
best sounding changer Sony has ever made. Its 45 bit noise shaping
circuitry is to credit here. Of course it is also much larger and much
slower than any current or more recent changer.
This is, by no means a full list, but CDX-C1, CDX-404, CDX-U606( NOT the
1999 model CDX-606), CDX-91, CDX-805, CDX-828, CDX-838, CDX-848
----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Baron" <justinjbaron(at)attbi.com>
Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony P1 compatibility and Sony changer questions
>
> Hi All,
>
> Haven't posted here since mid-2001. I have some questions about a product
> I just purchased - XES-P1. I know it's not an xdp4k, but you guys seem to
> know some things about XES gear.
>
> First off, does anyone know if the P1's analog output clips at full
> volume? Does anyone know if the outputs of the X1 clip at full volume,
> when used with the P1? I'll eventually measure this myself, but I'm
curious.
>
> I've yet to find definitive information about the usage of the P1 with the
> XT-XM1 tuner. Some reports say that the P1 cannot be used to control the
> XT-XM1 whatsoever. Some reports are that general functionality such as
> station changing and station number display are available. I believe the
> P1 has limited ability to display text such as track or cd info from any
> device. Does anyone have specific experience with the P1 and XM
> tuner? How does the P1 refer to the tuner when connected via
> unilink/analog - "Aux"?
>
> About changers. How does the C1 stack up against newer changers that
> offered optical output? Are there any optical-out changers that cannot be
> used with the P1 for any reason? I understand that I'd have only limited
> text display, but are there any other caveats to consider with any
> changers? Of all optical-out changers, are any of decidedly higher
quality
> than the others? Anyone have a list of optical-out changers from
yesterday
> and today?
>
> Finally - I will eventually want to install a CD unit in the dash for easy
> disc changes. Since the P1 will always be adjusted independently of
> whatever CD unit I use, I don't really need a Sony CD unit. Does anyone
> know if there are any high-quality dash-mounted cd transports from any
> manufacturer with optical output? I'd prefer a transport only, with no
> tuner. Nak makes such units but I believe they all use coaxial digital
> outputs...
>
> Thanks for any and all information!
>
> Justin
>
>
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| Subject: | part # for copper... |
Does anyone know the part # for the copper piece that holds the xa adapter in
place? Thanks!
March 25, 2003 - May 15, 2003
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