XDP4000X-Archive.digest.vol-ak

February 09, 2004 - February 04, 2005



      skeptical that this capability would have been built into units as old the 
      MDX-400 and C910.  I guess we don't really know if the digital out from the 
      MDX-400 will work with the XDP-4kX (I don't remember if anyone here has that 
      setup); but we do know the C910s does; and also CD changers as old as the 
      CDX-91 work with the 4kX's optical inputs, correct?
      
      So I'm still kinda wondering how you found the 48kHz sample rate on the 
      outputs of the source units (C90? CDX-828/838?)...
      
      Still the CS D/As in the 4000X should be able to do any sample rate from 32 
      to 48kHz without any problems.  Matt I'm guessing you had problems inputting 
      a digital source into the XDP unit?  Perhaps you could describe in-detail 
      how the connection was made and what the source was, as well as what UniLink 
      input/source the HU was set to?
      
      Roland M.
      
      >>
      >>Hey Guys,
      >>
      >>I was wondering if anyone knew why the Toslink inputs on the Sony 
      >>XDP-4000x
      >>are hard set at a 480000 sample rate?  It will not auto-sync at any other
      >>sample rate such as the common CD rate of 44.1k.  This means that all of
      >>the Sony Changers and head unit CD outputs have to be up converted from 
      >>the
      >>native 44.1k sample rate to the 48k required by the 4k.  This just doesn't
      >>make any sense to me from a performance or quality standpoint.  It would
      >>keep 4k owners from just hooking up any generic cd changer to the unit, 
      >>but
      >>that seems a little subversive.
      >>
      >>Any thoughts or information on this would be most appreciated.
      >>
      >>Matt Dralle
      
      
      >
      >Are you certain of that Matt?  That would also mean that the sampling rates 
      >coming out of the C90, C910, MDX-400, and all CD changers with an optical 
      >output would ALL be throwing 48kHz through their outputs.  And that would 
      >also mean both the 210EQ and U50D also use 48kHz sampling.
      
      >This is non-optimal indeed!  I know that I once used the optical out from 
      >my CDX-828 to record to a portable MD player (by simply removing the 
      >optical cable and plugging it another optical into the MD unit) but of 
      >course the portable MD had a built-in sampling rate converter so I'd never 
      >have known it was 48kHz or not.  This certainly seems odd...  I think I 
      >should try hooking some of this equipment up in my house (I have a spare 
      >MDX-400 I can use for starters) to my receiver and since it displays the 
      >word lenth, sampling frequency and bit length I can see if that is the case 
      >without a 4000X connected.  (Perhaps the changers, etc. can be "commanded" 
      >to output either 44.1kHz or 48kHz?)
      
      >I'm assuming you have done something similar already to verify this 48k 
      >sampling frequency yourself then eh?
      
      >The CS D/As in the 4000X are certainly capable of multiple sampling rates 
      >so I wonder why they wouldn't allow them to be used?  I'm guessing you've 
      >also tried inputting other sampling rates such as 44.1kHz or 32kHz without 
      >success?
      
      >This is certainly quite the revelation!  48kHz?  Why on earth???
      
      >Roland M.
      
      overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
      
      
      
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From: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
Date: Feb 09, 2004
This should work, just hook it to the correct two wires in the c90. there are two more that run the backlight and two that run the volume up/down, but the other two are compatible with all of the other rotary commanders & their interfaces. You'll have to cut your existing rotary commander's wire because its next to impossible to get replacement plugs for that. I think the mfgr told me you have to order 10,000 minimum. David Kennedy -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland M Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? > >However I was correct in >remember[ing] that someone did say something about the wired remote >commander >cable/connector for the C90 being capable of carrying the other remote >signals. > >If you check out this link to a previous Matronics/XDP list mail sent by >David Kennedy you will see what he said about the connector: > >http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=2398318?KEYS=wir ed_remote?LISTNAME=XDP4000X?HITNUMBER=24?SERIAL=12101826578?SHOWBUTTONS=YES > >I'm not sure whether he was right or not, but if you look at the other >emails sent from the same person you will see that he made his own custom >remote control system somehow for the C90 using the connector so I'd >imagine >he knew something about it. Unfortunately, however, the site he linked to >with the pics is not coming up anymore :( > >There may still be hope for you to connect the GMSW1 then, through the >wires >David spoke of above... > >Roland M. > Okay so I did a little research and found out this about the C90's remote connector... Before that I do have a question though--is the C90's remote *illumintated* at night??? From the wiring diagram it looks like it is! I never knew that before! There appear to be 5 meaningful wire connections on the wired remote (though I think there maybe upto 7pins in the connector?)... As David stated in another previous email to the list, he was speculating that the C90's wired remote (the correct model number is the RM-X9 by the way) uses an optical sensor system which is powered by +/- lines on the wire/connector. He was speculating that the two signal lines that carry the actual control (equivalent resistance?) information were the same as the previous remotes. He never did clear that up in any subsequent mailings but perhaps you could email him at the address he used then to see if he still gets email there? Anyway the 5 wires seem to be as follows: Pin# | Description 5 RC IN0 3 RC IN1 4 ENC + 6 ENC - 2 ILL on 10V (I'm guessing this is the illumination wire? 10V or more gets illumination, correct?) So it looks like if it were any two wires that would be related to the old remote it would be the wires on pins 3 & 5 (RC IN lines). Pins 4 & 6 would be the power to the remote's sensor system I'm thinking and the information going through 3/5 (if David was correct) would be the same remote info as before. Unfortunately the service manual does not seem to show what colour the wires are--you'll have to use the S/M and determine which connector postions are which on your own. Also I'm not sure which wires the X2S/X4S would be using. Just from looking at the S/M for the MDX-400 which uses a similar (but not exactly the same) RM-X38 wired remote, it appears that there are 3 wire connections (this agrees with the 3 conductor miniplug on the wired remotes' connection). One is for ground/sheild and the other two are for signal. It will take a little more looking into, to find which wires are the right ones in the C90 and in the X4S/X2S agree with one another, BUT if David was correct in thinking these wires would work the SAME as the other units then it would work. There is always the small caution that it might not be exactly the same resistance selections on the C90 as on the X4S/X2S using units. For example the X1S that was used in older units like the XK-R100 is completely incompatible with the X2S/X4S and vice versa. (Incidentally the X2S and X4S themselves are nearly IDENTICAL to one another and are completely cross-compatible). Another example is the X38 from the MDX-400. Plugging an X2S/X4S into the remote jack on the 400's tuner/pre-amp results in a remote which works but the commands are completely messed up and not all commands are available). This may not be the case with the C90 however, and it may use the exact same resistance values as the X4S/X2S and it may work out fine. I'd suggest trying to do a little more research though. If you have an X2S/X4S remote handy it would be especially helpful in determining how to make the connection and if it would work 100% correctly or not. Roland M. Let the advanced features & services of MSN Internet Software maximize your online time. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200363ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
Date: Feb 09, 2004
FYI, works fine in my car BTW :) David Kennedy -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland M Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? >From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90? >Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:54:01 -0500 > > >So could I still just cut the wires and make it work as you mentioned >below? > > >Thanks, Mike > Okay I have to apologise... The resistor-ladder "protocol" that the X2S and X4S use is NOT SIRCS and isn't related to SIRCS (it might get changed to SIRCS inside the HU though as that is the internal command protocol of nearly all Sony electronics--but this is besides the point). I guess I just got confused between SIRCS and the system used by the wired remote commanders. So forget about anything I said about SIRCS. However I was correct in remember that someone did say something about the wired remote commander cable/connector for the C90 being capable of carrying the other remote signals. If you check out this link to a previous Matronics/XDP list mail sent by David Kennedy you will see what he said about the connector: http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=2398318?KEYS=wire d_remote?LISTNAME=XDP4000X?HITNUMBER=24?SERIAL=12101826578?SHOWBUTTONS=YES I'm not sure whether he was right or not, but if you look at the other emails sent from the same person you will see that he made his own custom remote control system somehow for the C90 using the connector so I'd imagine he knew something about it. Unfortunately, however, the site he linked to with the pics is not coming up anymore :( There may still be hope for you to connect the GMSW1 then, through the wires David spoke of above... Roland M. Plan your next US getaway to one of the super destinations here. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Will a Soundgate GMSW1 work with a C90?
Date: Feb 10, 2004
> >This should work, just hook it to the correct two wires in the c90. there >are two more that run the backlight and two that run the volume up/down, >but >the other two are compatible with all of the other rotary commanders & >their >interfaces. > > >David Kennedy > > You could probably wire up (i.e. "tap into") to the X9's wires in parallel, right David? That way leaving both the Sony wired remote and the steering wheel remote available? (If someone wanted to do that, that is.). Anyway thanks for the additional info David--I guess there's the answer then! It can be done :) Roland M. overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP210EQ D/A Converters--some info! :)
Date: Feb 10, 2004
Well I found that it was always a mystery exactly what D/As were used in the XDP210EQ... I know this is a 4000X list but there is some talk of the 210EQ so I thought I'd put this info up. I've seen it quoted as using anything from 1-bit, to 18-bit, 16bit and 20-bit D/As and usually they are quoted as being Burr-Brown/Texas Instruments D/As. First of all none of the D/As in the 210EQ are Burr-Brown and it uses different D/As on the F/R as it does on the SUB outputs. Thanks to the S/M posted on the Matronics site I found out the following... The SUB L/R channels use an 16-bit NEC D/A--part# uPD6376GS. I'm unsure what strategy this D/A uses but it seems pretty "regular". The datasheet and info for this D/A is available at NEC website: http://www.necel.com/partic/audio/english/audiodac/d6376.html . The Front and Rear L/R pairs utilise the AKM4320VM-E2 D/A Converter (there are two of them, one for each pair). The manufacturer is AKM (Asahi-Kasei Microsystems) and the D/As are 20-bit and utilise Delta-Sigma Modulation. I could not find any additional info on this D/A as it has been discontinued by AKM (replaced by more modern D/As). I didn't find it in AKM's discontinued models listing, but it is a high-quality audio 20-bit Delta-Sigma D/A as mentioned above. AKM doesn't provide datasheets online for discontinued products anyway... Anyway so there you have it, in case anyone was wondering :) XDP210EQ D/As: Front/Rear: 2x AKM 20-bit Delta-Sigma D/As SUB: 1x NEC 16-bit D/A Roland M. Find great local high-speed Internet access value at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP210EQ D/A Converters--some info! :)
Date: Feb 10, 2004
> >So there you have it, in case anyone was wondering :) > >XDP210EQ D/As: >Front/Rear: 2x AKM 20-bit Delta-Sigma D/As > SUB: 1x NEC 16-bit D/A > >Roland M. Oh, just a small addition... I believe the Front/Rear pairs also utilise 8X Oversampling... Roland M. Find great local high-speed Internet access value at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2004
From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: sony manuals
just type the model number button in the search box and this will bring up some manuals on that product. http://www.iq.sony.com/srvs/sosdocs/default.asp --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 15, 2004
Subject: XA-D211 or XA-D210 and..........
Does anyone know where i can get one of these? Also, any wireless remote that goes with the C910..... thanks....... Also, while i know alot of you guys are audiophile types.... whats a great midrange that can go somewhere form 400 to 4k...... I have already an older eurosports and they are intriguing..... also, there is a new Morel speker that has my interest.. http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/wr-4.htm I am going with a Ribbon Tweeter.......... oh, and a 4 way setup up front..... 8, 6 1/2 (or 165mm), 4-4 1/2, and tweet........ any info would be appreciated.... Thanks... Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Anyne have a dead C90 rotary controller (joystick)?
Date: Feb 15, 2004
I would like to try and hok up my steering wheel contorls, howver, to make them work I need the plug for the rotary controller (i.e. joystick). Does anyone have a plug for the joystick they are ready to throw out or is not in need of? ... or anyone know where I can get just the plug? Please email me at mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com and let me know. Thanks, Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Anyne have a dead C90 rotary controller (joystick)?
Date: Feb 15, 2004
Good luck finding this plug, someone in the forum gave me the mfgr's number and they'll only sell qty of 10000 or more :( I just went into the C-90 and de-soldered the plug and soldered my own wires on. (I had lost the rotary remote plug after cutting it off!) Just cut the cable! If you cant get the steering wheel controls working then re-splice the cable together w/ RJ 45 cable ends & connectors that are used for Ethernet wiring, or terminal strips from radio shack w/ the screws on them & then tape it up or put it in a project box. David Kennedy -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Piccin Subject: XDP4000X-List: Anyne have a dead C90 rotary controller (joystick)? I would like to try and hok up my steering wheel contorls, howver, to make them work I need the plug for the rotary controller (i.e. joystick). Does anyone have a plug for the joystick they are ready to throw out or is not in need of? ... or anyone know where I can get just the plug? Please email me at mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com and let me know. Thanks, Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Anyne have a dead C90 rotary controller (joystick)?
Date: Feb 15, 2004
> >I would like to try and hok up my steering wheel contorls, howver, to make >them work I need the plug for the rotary controller (i.e. joystick). Does >anyone have a plug for the joystick they are ready to throw out or is not >in >need of? ... or anyone know where I can get just the plug? > >Please email me at mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com and let me know. > >Thanks, Mike I agree with David... While you might somehow be able to find a broken C90 remote somewhere the probability is not that high I don't think... It would be far easier just to splice into the existing remote wires--I'm assuming you have the original wired remote though, is that correct? It won't ruin the remote if you just splice in. In fact if you cut the cord entirely it wouldn't ruin the remote--it could always be re-attached afterwards. I'd give a try to splicing into the wire though, you may be able to then utilise both the C90 wired remote and the steering wheel controls... Roland M. overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XA-D211 or XA-D210 and..........
Date: Feb 15, 2004
> >Does anyone know where i can get one of these? Also, any wireless remote >that goes with the C910..... thanks....... > >any info would be appreciated.... > >Thanks... > >Dan > Well I was gonna say Sony DAPC ( http://servicesales.sel.sony.com/web/index.jsp ) for getting the D211 adapter in the US but apparently they don't have them in stock right now! :( I wonder if that is it for the adapter, as in they might not re-stock them?! You could call them/email them and ask them if they will be getting more of them. Otherwise try Partsolver (www.partsolver.com), Tritronics (www.tritronicsinc.com), or a local Sony parts dealer to see if any of them have it in stock. Other than that there is eBay... However unfortunately on eBay usually they are bundled with either a C90, C910 or XDP unit that someone is selling; though you might be able to get the seller to sell it to you separately. You could also check out the classifieds on places like SoundDomain (careful who you're buying from on SD though, a lot of scams seem to go on there so make sure you buy from someone reputable if you find one there)... As for the wireless remote any of the RM-X40, X41, X47 will work fine (they are all pretty much the same exact remote with only VERY subtle differences). Its funny because these older bulky remotes used to be on eBay in numbers before but it seems now mostly the newer, thinner Xplod variety remotes are available. In any case the older ones do still pop up on eBay just not as cheap/plentiful as they used to be :( Sony DAPC does sell the X47 remote but it is $30.00 from there. The newer remotes made for the Xplod series will work with the older units but the buttons on the cross-key control will NOT work. IIRC, "MENU" will not work either. The new remotes actually have keys not on the older ones that will work with the older units, like the "LIST" button though. So you'll be able to use SOURCE, LIST, SOUND, MODE, ATT, VOL, and OFF; but the other buttons won't work. The cross-key includes the track FWD/BACK and REW/FWD keys as well as DISC +/-. Those keys will not work on the older units, so if you used one of them you'd be unable to change tracks/stations. The newer ones with the number buttons on them, those buttons won't do anything either. Also there are some wireless remotes that bear the mark "HiR" on them. These will not work AT ALL with any unit that does not have HiR capability, which includes any of the old school units (and even many of the new ones as well). Some examples of the HiR remotes are the RM-X5S, X6S, X110, and others. Roland M. Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 17, 2004
Subject: Anyone have one for sale??
A friend is looking for one to replace his XDP-210EQ...... Thanks. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Stylnconcepts(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 17, 2004
Subject: Re: Anyone have one for sale??
i have one I might part with ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP-4000x Toslink Input...
Date: Feb 17, 2004
Hey Matt, you posted this to the list awhile back, but I still had it because it was interesting. We have been talking about this unit on the car audio forum I frequent and here's some information that one of our elite members posted about the unit from looking at the service manual: So the service manual I have is dated 1998, with a supplement/upgrade dated 1999. A quick review : 1. This little gem has Asynchronous Sample Rate Conversion !!!! What a pleasant surprise The digital input is received by a TC9245F DIR, which directly feeds an SM5844AF sample rate converter : http://www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/td/en/ASSP/Audio_ICs/en_20021016_TC9245F_datasheet.pdf http://www.npcamerica.com/Datasheets/SM5844.pdf The asynchronous sample rate conversion allows the DACs, and in fact all of the DSP, inside the processor to be clocked by a local master clock, rather than by a clock recovered form the incoming S/PDIF digital data stream. It does this by performing huge interpolation of the data, basically calculating the correct digital outputs at the new points in time. Result : JITTER HAMMER !! For those that have followed my previous threads, TC9245F + SM5844AF = CS8420 Very well done indeed, Sony. Especially for a 1998 car audio product (let's face it, car audio is like the bastard stepchild of high-end audio). Sony does their clocking RIGHT 2. DACs : 1998, crystal CS4329. Upgraded in 1999 to CS4390. Oversampled, delta-sigma type converters. 3. Volume control : Crystal CS3310. Pretty simple filters, mix of OPA2132 & NJM5532 opamps. A damn fine execution IMHO, especially for the time period. I think it would have been difficult to find ANY audio processor ... pro, home, or car ... to rival this level of engineering 6 years ago. Then I told him a bit more information about the unit that I had involving the crossovers and his response was: Drem VERY interesting ... so Sony uses FIR filters? I think I've talked about FIR vs. IIR in the past. FIR definitely has some strong advantages ... there's no feedback in FIR filter structures, so nasty things like "limit cycle" oscillations and other quantization noise feedback mechanisms are completely avoided. You also have more flexibilty with phase response ... including perfectly linear phase ... with FIR (unless you include phase equalization sections in IIR, which can add some non-ideal behavior on their own). Biggest downside of FIR? Requires LOTS more computation for comparable "steepness" to IIR (unless there's some substantial decimation taking place, but that's another story). Sounds like Sony made the DSP investment to pull it off. Man, I'm liking this Sony execution more & more Asynch SRC for best clocking, FIR crossovers ... too bad that xover is so limited. But now I understand why there seems to be a little cult following around it, and such work put into modification possibilities I thought I'd post this in case you didn't know any of it. It was a great learning experience for me, and made me re-appreciate my 4000X that more. DAMN THAT CROSSOVER SELECTION! =D -Brody Zitterkopf ----Original Message Follows---- From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-4000x Toslink Input... Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:10:22 -0800 Hey Guys, I was wondering if anyone knew why the Toslink inputs on the Sony XDP-4000x are hard set at a 480000 sample rate? It will not auto-sync at any other sample rate such as the common CD rate of 44.1k. This means that all of the Sony Changers and head unit CD outputs have to be up converted from the native 44.1k sample rate to the 48k required by the 4k. This just doesn't make any sense to me from a performance or quality standpoint. It would keep 4k owners from just hooking up any generic cd changer to the unit, but that seems a little subversive. Any thoughts or information on this would be most appreciated. Matt Dralle Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone have one for sale??
Date: Feb 17, 2004
Is he looking to replace his 210eq with another 210eq or a 4000x, I have a 210eq in very good shape, only used for a few months if that's what you're up for. ----- Original Message ----- From: <NOTGSXR(at)aol.com> Subject: XDP4000X-List: Anyone have one for sale?? > > A friend is looking for one to replace his XDP-210EQ...... Thanks. > > Dan > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 17, 2004
Subject: Re: Anyone have one for sale??
In a message dated 2/17/04 7:09:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobbybraun(at)comcast.net writes: Is he looking to replace his 210eq with another 210eq or a 4000x, I have a 210eq in very good shape, only used for a few months if that's what you're up for. 4000X! thanks. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 17, 2004
Subject: Re: Anyone have one for sale??
In a message dated 2/17/04 5:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, NOTGSXR(at)aol.com writes: A friend is looking for one to replace his XDP-210EQ...... Thanks. Dan let me clarify this.. he is looking for an XDP-4000X to replace the 210EQ.....sorry for the confusion! Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP-4000x Toslink Input...
Date: Feb 17, 2004
> > >2. DACs : 1998, crystal CS4329. Upgraded in 1999 to CS4390. >Oversampled, delta-sigma type converters. > >-Brody Zitterkopf > > Brody, nice research/discovery and explanation of those circuits! :) However I have one quick question regarging your "#2" (quoted above). When you say in 1998 they were using [Crystal Semiconductor] CS4329s and in 1999 they were using CS4390s, do you mean that the "1st Gen" XDP-4000X units used CS4329 D/As and then they changed them to CS4390s in the latter "2nd Gen?" units? I was just a little confused about that and how you have the dates and different D/As listed. Did you mean they used different D/As depending on the manufacture date/series of the 4000X or are you referring to two different products? (Was the CS4390 simply Crystal Semiconductor's replacement chip for a discontinued CS4329?) Roland M. Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Feb 17, 2004
"RE: XDP4000X-List: XDP-4000x Toslink Input..." (Feb 17, 6:06pm)
Subject: XDP-4000x Toslink Input...
>-------------- >> >>2. DACs : 1998, crystal CS4329. Upgraded in 1999 to CS4390. >>Oversampled, delta-sigma type converters. >> >>-Brody Zitterkopf >> > >Brody, nice research/discovery and explanation of those circuits! :) > >However I have one quick question regarging your "#2" (quoted above). When >you say in 1998 they were using [Crystal Semiconductor] CS4329s and in 1999 >they were using CS4390s, do you mean that the "1st Gen" XDP-4000X units used >CS4329 D/As and then they changed them to CS4390s in the latter "2nd Gen?" >units? > >I was just a little confused about that and how you have the dates and >different D/As listed. Did you mean they used different D/As depending on >the manufacture date/series of the 4000X or are you referring to two >different products? > >(Was the CS4390 simply Crystal Semiconductor's replacement chip for a >discontinued CS4329?) > >Roland M. >-------------- Here is a line-card on the CS4390 chip: http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/pro/detail/P32.html Interesting... Matt -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: XDP-4000x Toslink Input...
Date: Feb 17, 2004
Really interesting, anyone have any word how the Clarion DRZ-9255 stacks up to these comparisons? I'm having a hard time finding anything too technical on the unit, and how about the Alpine setup also? Have they honestly and compeletely surpassed what Sony started back in 98 with the 4000x and before with the XES? Why is the answer so hard to find? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XDP-4000x Toslink Input... > > > Hey Matt, you posted this to the list awhile back, but I still had it > because it was interesting. We have been talking about this unit on the car > audio forum I frequent and here's some information that one of our elite > members posted about the unit from looking at the service manual: > > So the service manual I have is dated 1998, with a supplement/upgrade dated > 1999. A quick review : > > 1. This little gem has Asynchronous Sample Rate Conversion !!!! What a > pleasant surprise The digital input is received by a TC9245F DIR, which > directly feeds an SM5844AF sample rate converter : > > http://www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/td/en/ASSP/Audio_ICs/en_20021016_TC9245F_datasheet.pdf > http://www.npcamerica.com/Datasheets/SM5844.pdf > > The asynchronous sample rate conversion allows the DACs, and in fact all of > the DSP, inside the processor to be clocked by a local master clock, rather > than by a clock recovered form the incoming S/PDIF digital data stream. It > does this by performing huge interpolation of the data, basically > calculating the correct digital outputs at the new points in time. Result : > JITTER HAMMER !! > > For those that have followed my previous threads, > TC9245F + SM5844AF = CS8420 > > Very well done indeed, Sony. Especially for a 1998 car audio product (let's > face it, car audio is like the bastard stepchild of high-end audio). Sony > does their clocking RIGHT > > 2. DACs : 1998, crystal CS4329. Upgraded in 1999 to CS4390. > Oversampled, delta-sigma type converters. > > 3. Volume control : Crystal CS3310. > > Pretty simple filters, mix of OPA2132 & NJM5532 opamps. A damn fine > execution IMHO, especially for the time period. I think it would have been > difficult to find ANY audio processor ... pro, home, or car ... to rival > this level of engineering 6 years ago. > > Then I told him a bit more information about the unit that I had involving > the crossovers and his response was: > > > Drem VERY interesting ... so Sony uses FIR filters? I think I've talked > about FIR vs. IIR in the past. FIR definitely has some strong advantages ... > there's no feedback in FIR filter structures, so nasty things like "limit > cycle" oscillations and other quantization noise feedback mechanisms are > completely avoided. You also have more flexibilty with phase response ... > including perfectly linear phase ... with FIR (unless you include phase > equalization sections in IIR, which can add some non-ideal behavior on their > own). > > Biggest downside of FIR? Requires LOTS more computation for comparable > "steepness" to IIR (unless there's some substantial decimation taking place, > but that's another story). Sounds like Sony made the DSP investment to pull > it off. > > Man, I'm liking this Sony execution more & more Asynch SRC for best > clocking, FIR crossovers ... too bad that xover is so limited. But now I > understand why there seems to be a little cult following around it, and such > work put into modification possibilities > > > I thought I'd post this in case you didn't know any of it. It was a great > learning experience for me, and made me re-appreciate my 4000X that more. > DAMN THAT CROSSOVER SELECTION! > > =D > > -Brody Zitterkopf > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-4000x Toslink Input... > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:10:22 -0800 > > > Hey Guys, > > I was wondering if anyone knew why the Toslink inputs on the Sony XDP-4000x > are hard set at a 480000 sample rate? It will not auto-sync at any other > sample rate such as the common CD rate of 44.1k. This means that all of > the Sony Changers and head unit CD outputs have to be up converted from the > native 44.1k sample rate to the 48k required by the 4k. This just doesn't > make any sense to me from a performance or quality standpoint. It would > keep 4k owners from just hooking up any generic cd changer to the unit, but > that seems a little subversive. > > Any thoughts or information on this would be most appreciated. > > Matt Dralle > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > > Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP-4000x Toslink Input...
Date: Feb 17, 2004
> >and how about the Alpine setup also? Have they honestly and >compeletely surpassed what Sony started back in 98 with the 4000x and >before >with the XES? Why is the answer so hard to find? > > I'm guessing you're talking about the F#1 Status gear? While I'm not really an expert the F#1 does seem to be "ahead" of the XDP-4000X/C90 setup though I don't know about 2nd Gen XES stuff--that was pretty well done. But the F#1 is kind of a different beast as well. For one thing it's trump card is the fact that it has DVD-A support. That alone gives it a good advantage because you're starting out with a higher quality format/source to begin with. Plus the F#1 stuff is really multi-channel/surround oriented. In addition to DVD-A its got DD and DTS decoding, which, altogether really are more "modern" than a "simple" 2ch CD player source with EQ... Now that isn't to say that just because we're dealing with CD and "only" stereo/2ch that it is "worse" than surround, but you've got to admit that the DVD-A aspect at least does count for something. The F#1 gear is indeed impressive and from its price I'd really hope that it outdoes the XDP-4kX/C90 combo, even talking about CD playback. The 4kX is an excellent processor which features one of the most versatile digital-domain EQs in car audio, with solid build quality and internals to back it up. But the one flaw in the system has always been, in most people's view the xover selection. Perhaps it is optimal for the very high end Sony speakers Sony showcased with processors like the 4kX and with the XES systems but other than that it is usually not really optimal--a complaint shared by many here as you know. I dunno about the XES, as I said, but I don't think comparing the F#1 (if that is what you were referring to) and the C90/XDP-4000X is really a fair comparison. For one thing the entire F#1 system costs several times what the C90/4000X ever cost, I'm pretty sure. Still I never liked the rather dorky F#1 HU design. Then again everyone praises it for its simplicity. I say simplicity, schmimplicity! LOL! But I *can* see *why* they made it that way. While the rest of the car audio market and related markets like "sport-compacts" and the "mainstream" SUV market, etc. looks for "razzle dazzle" and "ooh aah" type stuff the people that fork over the dough for stuff as expensive as the F#1 gear almost always DON'T want all the techno-razzle dazzle type interfaces and "modern" looks. They want something simple and statement-making. Alpine could just as easily made something with a similar interface to their lower-end units and still kept it just as high-end while sounding the same. But it would honestly get "pooh-poohed" by their target audience. In a market where people are buying stuff like the Denon DCT-Z1 and actually liking it's "simplicity" :cough: aka dumb looks :cough: (:cough: just my opinion don't kill me :cough:) and the "statment" and "air" of "high end" snobbery it puts out you don't want to make a product that is all "bling bling" and has animated screens, flashing lights, GUI interfaces, etc. because no one's gonna buy it! Anyhow just my $0.02 (though I'm unsure of what I was trying to say anyway! LOL!) Roland M. Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brody Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP-4000x Toslink Input...
Date: Feb 18, 2004
Yes, the CS4390 was a replacement for the CS4329. We don't know when the switch was made. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XDP-4000x Toslink Input... Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:59:57 -0500 > > >2. DACs : 1998, crystal CS4329. Upgraded in 1999 to CS4390. >Oversampled, delta-sigma type converters. > >-Brody Zitterkopf > > Brody, nice research/discovery and explanation of those circuits! :) However I have one quick question regarging your "#2" (quoted above). When you say in 1998 they were using [Crystal Semiconductor] CS4329s and in 1999 they were using CS4390s, do you mean that the "1st Gen" XDP-4000X units used CS4329 D/As and then they changed them to CS4390s in the latter "2nd Gen?" units? I was just a little confused about that and how you have the dates and different D/As listed. Did you mean they used different D/As depending on the manufacture date/series of the 4000X or are you referring to two different products? (Was the CS4390 simply Crystal Semiconductor's replacement chip for a discontinued CS4329?) Roland M. Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP-766EQ Service Manual?
Date: Feb 20, 2004
Just wondering if anyone has the XDP-766EQ Service Manual in .pdf format? The reason I ask is that the 766EQ has a somewhat similar display to the MDX-400. They both have a rather large main display/LCD. Both these units have the ability to change illumination (Amber/Orange or Green) like many Sony car audio products. However, in the case of the 766EQ, when you can change the illumination to Amber both the buttons on the unit AND the main display illumination also changes to Amber. But on the MDX-400, unfortunately, ONLY the buttons change illumination. The display REMAINS Green. It wouldn't be so bad except that the MDX-400s display is quite large and also quite bright as well. At night the green is quite overpowering! It does not respond to/have any dimmer control either. I mean it is isn't that big a deal, but I always thought that maybe I could do something about that. I was thinking *maybe* the amber illumination stuff from the 766EQ may be transferrable to the MDX-400 face thereby chaning it to have an amber display illumination as well. Of course it may not be possible or at all practical but without the S/M for the 766EQ I'll never know! I have 3 FPs for MDX-400s (one with a LOT of button wear) so it wouldn't really be a big deal if I messed one of them up trying to do this modification... Anyway if anyone has this or knows where I could get it, I'd appreciate the info! Thanks, Roland M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/26/04
Date: Feb 27, 2004
Can someone like post a how-to on dismantling a C90 faceplate? I got an extra hu with the clear plexi still intact with crapped buttons, while another with working buttons have a cracked plexi (Thanks a bundle, USPS). I tired dismantling, and I can get till the rear cover, but after that, I can't seem to get the volume and the rev/fwd lever out of the way. One ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: dismantling the C90 faceplate
Date: Feb 28, 2004
> >Can someone like post a how-to on dismantling a C90 faceplate? I got an >extra hu with the clear plexi still intact with crapped buttons, while >another with working buttons have a cracked plexi (Thanks a bundle, USPS). > >I tired dismantling, and I can get till the rear cover, but after that, I >can't seem to get the volume and the rev/fwd lever out of the way. > >One Nevermind, I did it. :) I also disassembled the rotary commander and fixed that too. The commander isn't anything special either, i don't think. :P One ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 02, 2004
Subject: ok guys.... what are your thoughts???
2 A/D/S P4100 amps.... 100 watts to each driver 2 Neo3Pdr Tweets 2 DLS Iridium 3" Soft Dome Midrange 2 Focal 6k 4402 drivers (from Mistral 165EX set) 2 Vifa 8" OEM drivers (from Mackie studio monitors) Is that TOO much of a front stage???? One of these days i'll finish it..... have most of it... rest is otw..... All Processed via Sony XDP-4000X First crossover thoughts....... Tweets 6.3k up Iridium 3's 500hz to 6.3k Focal 6k's 200hz to 500hz Vifa 8's from 78hz to 200hz or 50hz to 200hz Sub (still Single Audiomobile MASS 2012, but contemplating Brahma 15") Sub Amp PPI PC 2600.2 should be interesting... cannot wait to play Please share your thoughts... Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: ok guys.... what are your thoughts???
Date: Mar 03, 2004
>2 A/D/S P4100 amps.... 100 watts to each driver > >2 Neo3Pdr Tweets > >2 DLS Iridium 3" Soft Dome Midrange > >2 Focal 6k 4402 drivers (from Mistral 165EX set) > >2 Vifa 8" OEM drivers (from Mackie studio monitors) > > >Is that TOO much of a front stage???? One of these days i'll finish it..... >have most of it... rest is otw..... > > >All Processed via Sony XDP-4000X > >First crossover thoughts....... > >Tweets 6.3k up >Iridium 3's 500hz to 6.3k >Focal 6k's 200hz to 500hz >Vifa 8's from 78hz to 200hz or 50hz to 200hz >Sub (still Single Audiomobile MASS 2012, but contemplating Brahma 15") >Sub Amp PPI PC 2600.2 > > >should be interesting... cannot wait to play > >Please share your thoughts... > > >Dan I think that's overkill... tweet, soft dome mids and a 6" should be more than enough, if you ask me. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: ok guys.... what are your thoughts???
Date: Mar 03, 2004
http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/prestige/triumph/triumph.html - made for one reason, to beat the supremos, it does too! http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/mr-56.htm - Fits the 500hz xdp god choice 85hz-7khz! Don't confuse it with the DLS design, DLS tried to copy it but the dls is rather poor in comparison. http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/wr-6.htm or (these look gay but they are awesome ... http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/wr-8.htm The above actually match the sony crossover limitations very well. The are big however! Just some ideas into the pot :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of One Park Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: ok guys.... what are your thoughts??? >2 A/D/S P4100 amps.... 100 watts to each driver > >2 Neo3Pdr Tweets > >2 DLS Iridium 3" Soft Dome Midrange > >2 Focal 6k 4402 drivers (from Mistral 165EX set) > >2 Vifa 8" OEM drivers (from Mackie studio monitors) > > >Is that TOO much of a front stage???? One of these days i'll finish it..... >have most of it... rest is otw..... > > >All Processed via Sony XDP-4000X > >First crossover thoughts....... > >Tweets 6.3k up >Iridium 3's 500hz to 6.3k >Focal 6k's 200hz to 500hz >Vifa 8's from 78hz to 200hz or 50hz to 200hz >Sub (still Single Audiomobile MASS 2012, but contemplating Brahma 15") >Sub Amp PPI PC 2600.2 > > >should be interesting... cannot wait to play > >Please share your thoughts... > > >Dan I think that's overkill... tweet, soft dome mids and a 6" should be more than enough, if you ask me. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: ok guys.... what are your thoughts???
Date: Mar 03, 2004
Quick EDIT: mr-56 is a good choice, the wr4 is the 85-7khz I was referring too. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: ok guys.... what are your thoughts??? http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/prestige/triumph/triumph.html - made for one reason, to beat the supremos, it does too! http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/mr-56.htm - Fits the 500hz xdp god choice 85hz-7khz! Don't confuse it with the DLS design, DLS tried to copy it but the dls is rather poor in comparison. http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/wr-6.htm or (these look gay but they are awesome ... http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/wr-8.htm The above actually match the sony crossover limitations very well. The are big however! Just some ideas into the pot :) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2004
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: ok guys.... what are your thoughts???
In a message dated 3/3/2004 5:27:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, dabrow(at)orange.net writes: > > http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/prestige/triumph/triumph.html - made > for one reason, to beat the supremos, it does too! > > http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/mr-56.htm - Fits the 500hz xdp > god choice 85hz-7khz! Don't confuse it with the DLS design, DLS tried to > copy it but the dls is rather poor in comparison. > > http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/wr-6.htm or (these look gay but they > are awesome ... http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/wr-8.htm > > The above actually match the sony crossover limitations > very well. The > are big however! > > Just some ideas into the pot :) Actually7, i was looking at the WR-4 as well...... these all look to be great drivers as well :) As far as DLS being a poor copy, tell that to Scott Buwalda...... The IASCA Expert world champ ;) The DLS speakers may indeed be a copy but they seem to do the job well..... or so i've heard and read... :) Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 03, 2004
Subject: CDX-C910 Volume issues
Hey guys....... Sony actually got it right this time and sent me the rotary encoder for my volume control.............. I soldered it on the board to the faceplate, and to my surprise..... the same problem..... The volume has a mind of its own, rotate the button and it goes up and down at its own will............Any other ideas? Thanks in advance.. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: ok guys.... what are your thoughts???
Date: Mar 03, 2004
Interesting you mention about Buwalda, according to his posts on carsound morel Israel are the real Morel! Now this is clearly untrue (that's after hours of digging around and a personal conclusion), it's what DLS have told him to say ;) (wink). The chap (Meir) calling the strings at Morel (IL) actually registered the morel logo while in a position at more acoustics USA against there knowledge! It's a pretty nasty feud as result. The Israel story does not hold up anywhere near as well, it is no coincidence the real morel although deprived of the trademark due to a legal argument have named there new products under the name Renaissance! Quite fitting actually, when you find out the facts. Anyway the point being the morel acoustics USA drivers especially the soft dome mid fit the crossover points of the XDP-4000x very well in a 3 way setup. The mr56 is there best mid they currently make, it also features in a $64,000 home speaker, I forget the name. One problem really is the size of the triumph tweeter, if you stack them on top of each other they are taller than a coke can! But then at 250wrms and housing triple stacked magnet its not surprising. Other than that the rainbow 3 ways have always matched the xdp-4k, the mid at 500hz on the pro and vandi is a good match. They also have a few new lines out soon so bargains will be around. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of NOTGSXR(at)aol.com Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: ok guys.... what are your thoughts??? In a message dated 3/3/2004 5:27:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, dabrow(at)orange.net writes: > > http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/prestige/triumph/triumph.html - made > for one reason, to beat the supremos, it does too! > > http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/mr-56.htm - Fits the 500hz xdp > god choice 85hz-7khz! Don't confuse it with the DLS design, DLS tried to > copy it but the dls is rather poor in comparison. > > http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/wr-6.htm or (these look gay but they > are awesome ... http://www.morelusa.com/renaissance/wr-8.htm > > The above actually match the sony crossover limitations > very well. The > are big however! > > Just some ideas into the pot :) Actually7, i was looking at the WR-4 as well...... these all look to be great drivers as well :) As far as DLS being a poor copy, tell that to Scott Buwalda...... The IASCA Expert world champ ;) The DLS speakers may indeed be a copy but they seem to do the job well..... or so i've heard and read... :) Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: CDX-C910 Volume issues
Date: Mar 03, 2004
> >Hey guys....... Sony actually got it right this time and sent me the rotary >encoder for my volume control.............. I soldered it on the board to >the >faceplate, and to my surprise..... the same problem..... > >Dan Hmm, very strange indeed! What about any other mechanicals or electronics right near the volume control in the HU? If it is still doing that then there might be a problem with the IC or electronics interpreting the commands from the encoder, this could be either in the FP or in the HU itself. Apart from having it professionally serviced I'm at a loss. If the control and everything to do with that has been replaced, the problem would probably lie elsewhere. I would have definitely thought it was just the encoder that had gone bad, but perhaps not :( I'm at a loss for what could be wrong. I'm thinking it has to be something electronic then (and not mechanical) but I have no clue what it would be, specifically. Anyone else have ideas or know about the problem? Roland M. Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 03, 2004
Subject: Re: CDX-C910 Volume issues
In a message dated 3/3/04 8:12:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, mdx400(at)hotmail.com writes: Hmm, very strange indeed! What about any other mechanicals or electronics right near the volume control in the HU? If it is still doing that then there might be a problem with the IC or electronics interpreting the commands from the encoder, this could be either in the FP or in the HU itself. Apart from having it professionally serviced I'm at a loss. If the control and everything to do with that has been replaced, the problem would probably lie elsewhere. I would have definitely thought it was just the encoder that had gone bad, but perhaps not :( I'm at a loss for what could be wrong. I'm thinking it has to be something electronic then (and not mechanical) but I have no clue what it would be, specifically. Anyone else have ideas or know about the problem? Roland M. I'm pretty sure it was the encoder..... Actually, the new one works worse than the old one... I ended up putting the old one back in..... It must be somehow related to the encoder versus the rest of the face plate as the remote works fine. Actually, after inserting the old encoder back, it seems to be working better than it has in a long long time... I'm going to "baby" it and perhaps somehow removing it and putting it back in worked??? I'm at a loss here really....... so i dunno.......... lol I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.... Thanks...... Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 03, 2004
Subject: Re: CDX-C910 Volume issues
In a message dated 3/3/04 8:55:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, NOTGSXR(at)aol.com writes: I'm pretty sure it was the encoder..... Actually, the new one works worse than the old one... I ended up putting the old one back in..... It must be somehow related to the encoder versus the rest of the face plate as the remote works fine. Actually, after inserting the old encoder back, it seems to be working better than it has in a long long time... I'm going to "baby" it and perhaps somehow removing it and putting it back in worked??? I'm at a loss here really....... so i dunno.......... lol I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.... Thanks...... Dan Maybe its somehow a bad connection on the board with the encoder itself...... from what i can tell there are only 3 contact points on the bottom of it..... then 2 "clips" on the sides of the encoder that are also solderd, but i don't think have any function other than stabilizing the encoder itself. Someone did mention awhile back to resolder the encoder and that may help.... Perhaps they were right???? Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Mar 03, 2004
DNA: not not archive
Subject: [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics...
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Date: Mar 03, 2004
From: DB <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: CDX-C910 Volume issues
Dan, Are you sure the soldering job was okay? I had the same problem with mine a few years back. I took a used deck with a working encoder, and swapped it for mine, and it worked fine! The kicker? When I put my old encoder onto the used deck and tried using it, it also worked great! Seems like re-working the solder connections on the board did the trick. I'd check the soldering and make sure that the contacts are good and secure... Good luck! Daniel NOTGSXR(at)aol.com wrote: > >Hey guys....... Sony actually got it right this time and sent me the rotary >encoder for my volume control.............. I soldered it on the board to the >faceplate, and to my surprise..... the same problem..... The volume has a mind >of its own, rotate the button and it goes up and down at its own >will............Any other ideas? Thanks in advance.. > > >Dan > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 04, 2004
Subject: Re: CDX-C910 Volume issues
In a message dated 3/3/04 11:48:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, dbotel6500(at)rogers.com writes: Dan, Are you sure the soldering job was okay? I had the same problem with mine a few years back. I took a used deck with a working encoder, and swapped it for mine, and it worked fine! The kicker? When I put my old encoder onto the used deck and tried using it, it also worked great! Seems like re-working the solder connections on the board did the trick. I'd check the soldering and make sure that the contacts are good and secure... Good luck! Daniel I put the old one back in.... and now it works better than it has in a long long time.... i havn't had any hitches yet........ so perhaps this is the issue.... My fingers are crossed :) Thanks.. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "rob" <edmist_r(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: .
Date: Mar 04, 2004
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Date: Mar 08, 2004
From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Sony XT-63V Mobile TV Tuner
Does anyone know if this tuner will work with the C90 or is this a xav-7w only Item?? --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Drem Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Using Fiber Optic Input
Date: Mar 08, 2004
Hey all, I have been talking about putting my PS2 in my car for a long time now. I finally did it. I haven't hooked up my XT-40V yet, just the TV and the PS2. Currently, I a/b compared using the fiber optic (selecting Digital Out for CD, but not plugging in the CD player and plugging in the PS2 instead) and RCA input (selecting radio from the source, but again using the output from PS2 RCAs) and WOW is there a difference, as always. You just cannot compete with the DAC in the 4KX! Anyway, I was wondering if using the aux adapter (called the U30 or U300 or 300A or something like that, right?) if you could select your aux input but have the audio input from the changer fiber optic input? Anything at all to make the PS2 work fiberoptically with my 4KX is what I'm after. If anyone knows how to do it then please share, otherwise I'll just have to cheese it. (How you ask? By using a fiber-optic combiner and putting a CD with a blank track into the player on repeat when I want to use the PS2 is my idea). -Drem ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR
Date: Mar 10, 2004
From: "jonathan e. andersson" <fallout(at)brainwashme.com>
it *is* a rip off at that price-- unfortunately, i need one very badly. however, i do understand the unilink protocol (and FPGA design) well enough to make one, but it won't be cost effective (i'll still pay $300 for one) without a group buy or something. how many people have more than one optical digital changer and need these things, or want an aux digital in? if i could get 10-20 people, it may be worth the effort. also in that quantity (20), they would still be >$150... -jon -----Original Message----- From: Roland M [mailto:mdx400(at)hotmail.com] Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR >From: "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: SONY XA-U40D OPTICAL/DIGITAL SOURCE SELECTOR >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:24:21 -0000 > > >It just allows you to run multiple digital sources, say 3 Sony changers >all using digital out to an xdp pre amp. > >Complete RIP off IMHO at that price, you might as well make your own. > >Pete > The thing is you CAN'T make one--well it would be pretty darn hard! The price comes from it being VERY rare in North America... Still $350-$400 is excessive. To have an understanding of the UniLink bus well enough to make a Multi-Changer adapter is not easy--then you have to make the MCA and that requires a lot of work including finding also very hard to find UniLink female connectors! I guess what Pete *might* be trying to say is use an analog MCA (like the XA-C30 or XA-U40--no "D") and then make your own (active) optical switcher. You can even buy an active optical switcher, however they are also not very cheap. I'd imagine at least $150-$200 for a device like that... You could also go with a manual optical switcher and just change the source yourself (some use push buttons and other more expensive ones you can use a remote); but changing the digital source yourself is a little more involved than just changing sources on the HU. One of these is not necessary for more than one changer, only for more than one *digital* output changer to be connected via digital output. You could use a much cheaper XA-C30 or XA-U40 (discontinued) MCA for analog changers. Furthermore if you have only one digital changer you could connect other another analog changer(s) as well as the digital one using the standard MCAs. Only when you have more than one digital-output changer does it become an issue. Even then you *could* always go analog on the other digital-out changer(s) keeping just one connected digitally... Roland M. high-speed ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Uncle Comfort" <unclecomfort(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Optical Cable for XDP-4000x (POLL)
Date: Mar 16, 2004
hi everyone, Just like to poll what are the different brands and model of the above you use from the XA-D211 out from C90 to the XDP-4000x... Rgd... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 15, 2004
Subject: Re: Optical Cable for XDP-4000x (POLL)
In a message dated 3/15/04 12:00:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, unclecomfort(at)hotmail.com writes: hi everyone, Just like to poll what are the different brands and model of the above you use from the XA-D211 out from C90 to the XDP-4000x... Rgd... Acoustic Research here..... Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Uncle Comfort" <unclecomfort(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Optical Cable for XDP-4000x (POLL)
Date: Mar 16, 2004
model??? ----- Original Message ----- From: <NOTGSXR(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Optical Cable for XDP-4000x (POLL) > > In a message dated 3/15/04 12:00:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, > unclecomfort(at)hotmail.com writes: > hi everyone, > > Just like to poll what are the different brands and model of the above you > use from the XA-D211 out from C90 to the XDP-4000x... > > Rgd... > > Acoustic Research here..... > > > Dan > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 15, 2004
Subject: Re: Optical Cable for XDP-4000x (POLL)
In a message dated 3/15/04 1:09:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, unclecomfort(at)hotmail.com writes: model??? I currently have the AP082.... But i also have a few MS281's but they are only 6' so i probably will have to stick with the other... It works fine, just a thinner jacket... but i am going to see if the 6' Master Series will work.... it will be close...... Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 15, 2004
From: John Smith <veritasz34(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Optical Cable for XDP-4000x (POLL)
Kimber Cable OPT 1 Uncle Comfort wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort" hi everyone, Just like to poll what are the different brands and model of the above you use from the XA-D211 out from C90 to the XDP-4000x... Rgd... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Sony XT-63V Mobile TV Tuner
Date: Mar 23, 2004
> > >Does anyone know if this tuner will work with the C90 or is this a xav-7w >only Item?? > As per Sony's own description/warning, the XT-63V is ONLY intended for use with the XAV-7W, it won't work with the past head units sporting "TV Control". :( I've never tried it of course, and don't know anyone that has, but if Sony says it can't be done... I would advise against trying it unless you have one already and an older HU and just wanted to see if it would actually work. I don't think it is worth investing money in to see if it will work especially since it is more likely than not that it WON'T work... Roland M. Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: aprintis(at)comcast.net
Subject: Sony items on Ebay
Date: Mar 29, 2004
Hey Guy's, I thought I would let you know that I have some Sony items on ebay for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1498&item=3088154614 This for the wired remote from the C910. Excellent condition http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1498&item=3088155294 This the same as above except that ihas fryed wire section. It could be easily fixed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12040&item=3088176006 This is the fully operational wireless remote from the C910. It is in fair condition. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39763&item=3088179173 This is the CDX-C910 face plate. It is in excellent condition and dial and buttons operate. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39763&item=3088183365 This is a DEAD CDX-C910 receiver. Use it for spare parts. I would recommend checking out my Ebay list for any other items. Ihave ALOT of items on the list. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=aprintis&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 If you have any questions just e-mail me. Later Tony Printis ________________________________________________________________________________
From: aprintis(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/27/04
Date: Mar 29, 2004
Hey Guy's, I thought I would let you know that I have some Sony items on ebay for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1498&item=3088154614 This for the wired remote from the C910. Excellent condition http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1498&item=3088155294 This the same as above except that ihas fryed wire section. It could be easily fixed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12040&item=3088176006 This is the fully operational wireless remote from the C910. It is in fair condition. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39763&item=3088179173 This is the CDX-C910 face plate. It is in excellent condition and dial and buttons operate. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39763&item=3088183365 This is a DEAD CDX-C910 receiver. Use it for spare parts. I would recommend checking out my Ebay list for any other items. Ihave ALOT of items on the list. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=aprintis&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 If you have any questions just e-mail me. Later Tony Printis > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete XDP4000X-List Digest can be also be found in either > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version of the XDP4000X-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > ml > > Text Version: > > > t > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > XDP4000X-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 03/27/04: 0 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Woudsma, Mark" <csmcgrn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: WTB: XT-40V
Date: Mar 29, 2004
Hello Does anyone have an XT-40V laying around that you would want to sell? Mark W ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2004
From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: WTB: XT-40V
I am looking for one also. there is a guy selling a coule on ebay for like 75 canadian "Woudsma, Mark" wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Woudsma, Mark" Hello Does anyone have an XT-40V laying around that you would want to sell? Mark W --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: WTB: XT-40V
Date: Mar 29, 2004
$75 CDN. is probably as cheap as you're gonna get on an XT-40V, I'd say. Especially good if you live in Canada, I'd say. However, I'm not seeing those on eBay (even looked in competed items)--perhaps the auctions ended aleady??? I have an XT-U500V Uni-Link TV tuner that I don't use that I'd be willing to sell. It is pretty much identical to the XT-U400V (which is pretty much identical to the XT-40V) except that the U500V has diversity tuning (4 antenna inputs instead of one) and separate LCD (for directly connecting XVM LCDs) and CRT (composite video) outputs (The U400V/40V combine both in the same output connector). However like the other TV tuners, the outputs aren't "standard" they use the mini-DIN connections. The U500V apparently doesn't have the MD-Text feature of the 40V (apparently the only thing that sets the 40V apart from the U400V), but it is a superior TV tuner than the others and otherwise identical in operation. Anyway long-story-short I bough the U500V used and never ended up using it. I'm just looking to get back what I paid for it which was about $80 US. It didn't come with any cables to connect it unfortunately, but UniLink cables are readily available and the power connector has the wiring diagram on it so it is easy to hook up... I did connect it once and it powered on fine and could be accessed through the HU without any problems--I could use the tuning fine as well. The physical condition is very good as well. I didn't test the TV tuner directly as I have no screens in my car nor did I have an antenna to hook it up to. I do have a copy of the manual as well. Roland M. >From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: WTB: XT-40V >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:19:20 -0800 (PST) > > >I am looking for one also. there is a guy selling a coule on ebay for like >75 canadian > >"Woudsma, Mark" wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message >posted by: "Woudsma, Mark" > >Hello > >Does anyone have an XT-40V laying around that you would want to sell? > >Mark W > > >--------------------------------- > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Woudsma, Mark" <csmcgrn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: WTB: XT-40V
Date: Mar 30, 2004
Well I have looked on Ebay in .com and .ca did not find the XT-40V. Im looking to hook this up to an XAV-7W and use in tandem with my C-90. My C-90 controls my changer and 4000x and it would be hidden with only the remote out, and use the GUI generated by the 40V to see what Im doing on the 7W. If you have one laying around, please let me know. Mark W ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: WTB: XT-40V
Date: Mar 30, 2004
> > >Well I have looked on Ebay in .com and .ca did not find the XT-40V. > >Im looking to hook this up to an XAV-7W and use in tandem with my C-90. My >C-90 controls my changer and 4000x and it would be hidden with only the >remote out, and use the GUI generated by the 40V to see what Im doing on >the >7W. > >If you have one laying around, please let me know. > >Mark W This cannot be done AFAIK. The XAV-7W is a UniLink MASTER device and so is the C90... There is no way to put two MASTER devices on the same UniLink bus (without shorting out one or both of them thereby frying the UniLink circuits at a minimum!). I'm not 100% sure about it, but I would NOT try it unless both units are still under warranty and/or you are willing to pay for the repairs done to any/all UniLink units connected when the attempt is made to connect two UniLink master units together. I also searched for the 40Vs and found nothing--I guess they ended or were cancelled or something... Also I would note that the C90 can use either the XT-U500V, U400V or 40V TV Tuners, but cannot use the XT-63V (according to Sony's warning). The XAV-7W on the other hand is the exact opposite--the only TV tuner it can use is the 63V--none of the others will work with it. But again, the 7W is a UniLink MASTER--i.e. it is a UniLink head unit. Trying to connect it and a TV tuner and a C90 (and other devices) to the same bus would be like trying to connect any other two HUs to the same bus--it spells certain disaster. If you're very lucky it just won't work, if you're not one or more devices are going to get fried :( Roland M. download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Woudsma, Mark" <csmcgrn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/30/04
Date: Mar 31, 2004
Roland I am aware of this. Im not planning on connecting the 40V to the XAV-7W via the unilink, only its video output. The data bus for the c90 would be like this C90 - 40V - 4000X- CDX-805. Video generated by the 40V's character generator would feed the 7W's aux video in, along with DVD player video on aux input 2. Front audio outs of the 7W would feed the 40V's aux audio in so I could use its built in AM/FM tuner. There will be no changer, etc connected to the 7W on its unilink bus. Mark From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: WTB: XT-40V > > >Well I have looked on Ebay in .com and .ca did not find the XT-40V. > >Im looking to hook this up to an XAV-7W and use in tandem with my C-90. My >C-90 controls my changer and 4000x and it would be hidden with only the >remote out, and use the GUI generated by the 40V to see what Im doing on >the >7W. > >If you have one laying around, please let me know. > >Mark W This cannot be done AFAIK. The XAV-7W is a UniLink MASTER device and so is the C90... There is no way to put two MASTER devices on the same UniLink bus (without shorting out one or both of them thereby frying the UniLink circuits at a minimum!). I'm not 100% sure about it, but I would NOT try it unless both units are still under warranty and/or you are willing to pay for the repairs done to any/all UniLink units connected when the attempt is made to connect two UniLink master units together. I also searched for the 40Vs and found nothing--I guess they ended or were cancelled or something... Also I would note that the C90 can use either the XT-U500V, U400V or 40V TV Tuners, but cannot use the XT-63V (according to Sony's warning). The XAV-7W on the other hand is the exact opposite--the only TV tuner it can use is the 63V--none of the others will work with it. But again, the 7W is a UniLink MASTER--i.e. it is a UniLink head unit. Trying to connect it and a TV tuner and a C90 (and other devices) to the same bus would be like trying to connect any other two HUs to the same bus--it spells certain disaster. If you're very lucky it just won't work, if you're not one or more devices are going to get fried :( Roland M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/30/04
Date: Mar 31, 2004
> > > >Roland > >I am aware of this. Im not planning on connecting the 40V to the XAV-7W via >the unilink, only its video output. > >The data bus for the c90 would be like this C90 - 40V - 4000X- CDX-805. >Video generated by the 40V's character generator would feed the 7W's aux >video in, along with DVD player video on aux input 2. Front audio outs of >the 7W would feed the 40V's aux audio in so I could use its built in AM/FM >tuner. There will be no changer, etc connected to the 7W on its unilink >bus. > >Mark Ohhhh, okay I see. Silly me. Yeah the above makes perfect sense--I even thought about doing that myself once, lol. The only thing is it is kind of "round about" which is disappointing to say the least especially when Sony *could* have made another screen like that without the UniLink HU features (to decrease the cost); plus they could have made it look nicer at least. The 7W looks fine when deployed but when retracted it looks horrible--it looks like an "off-brand" screen when it is in the dash, IMO. Too bad Sony couldn't make an XVM-7W model without the UniLink/head unit features. OR alternatively they could have at least made the XAV-7W able to control the older TV tuners as well as being able to control DSP processors. But hey, that's Sony for you, always making things more complicated... :( Roland M. Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Anderson" <jbanderson69(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: re: ppi art amps for tweet and mid
Date: Apr 02, 2004
List members, have any of you used an PPI art amp in your installs? I am looking for an alternative to the Brax X1400 i am using in my system for tweets and mids w/out a serious loss in SQ, and someone mentioned the PPI Art series as a good alternative. I know that you can get good deals on these units on Ebay, but I would really like some feedback from someone who has heard one. I also have been told that the ADS PQ20 and PS5 would be pretty good and that Harman Kardon, Adcom, Simfoni and Genesis as well as the early Xtants are good choices too. Does anyone have specific model recommendations to look for? my amp rack space is about 9.25" wide and about 20" long. I would need 4 channels of amplification for a dyn 340 system tweet and mid-dome woof. I wanted to use the X1400 in another car b/c it is a bit overkill for the tweets and mid power-wise, but I don't want to lose a ton of SQ and I know that SQ is pretty important when it comes to tweets. I will keep the X2400 for use on the woofer and sub and hopefully the XDP4k would not have any problems w/the change in amp(s). regards, John Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2004
From: Scott Walters <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
Subject: Re: re: ppi art amps for tweet and mid
On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, John Anderson wrote: > I also have been told that the ADS PQ20 and PS5 would be pretty good and > > space is about 9.25" wide and about 20" long. I would need 4 channels of > amplification for a dyn 340 system tweet and mid-dome woof. I wanted to use I am currently using the PQ15 and PQ20 for my dyn 340's. 4000 high pass to PQ15 bridged (2x80) to the dyn 360a xover to the tweet/mid, and 4000 low pass to the PQ20 bridged (2x160) to the dyn woofers. I've done the tri amplification to the dyns and there is more 'detail' but coherency is lost in the tweet/mid. Plus I've popped my tweeters adjusting gain (apparently the dyn tweets are sensitive to this without an impedance cap/crossover) I don't like the PQ20 bridged to the woofers. Seems at higher volumes they can 'lose control of the woofer' and I get pops. At one point I ran the lowpass from the 4000 into my JL amp and then highpassed 40-45Hz, and it got rid of the pops, but the line output of the JL can't touch the 4000 and I lost the umph. I've also tried 2x80, but the Dyn woofers need more to sing . . . . The ADS amps are great value SQ, but I don't think they shine when they are bridged. But since you are tri-amping you won't have that problem. The PQ20 might be more overkill though for the tweet/mid, but given the price (I got mine for 225 ebay), i doubt you'll stay up at night . . . I am looking to go brax/zapco 4 channel . . . -- Scott Walters -PacketPusher ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2004
From: Implicit <implicit(at)cqmail.net>
Subject: Brand New XA-U40D for sale
Thought this might be of interest to you guys.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3089752613 email if you have questions... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Woudsma, Mark" <csmcgrn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Any C90 + XT40v users?
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Hello 4000x'ers, Recently I added an XT-40V tv tuner to my system consisting of a CDX-C90, 4000x and CDX-805. The XT-40v was installed in the unilink bus between the changer and the 4000x. Everything works fine except one thing- The LIST function. It seems that its backwards. Heres my dilema: I wish to hide my c90 from view and only use its remote, along with the GUI generated by the 40V and an in-dash LCD screen. With my c90 connected, and a cd from the changer playing, the 40v displays the list of all 10 discs in the changer. When I push LIST, the c90 faceplate screen displays the list, but the 40v output screen then displays the "spinning disc" graphic, plus the CD#, track # and track time. The output of the 40v is reversed from what the c90 displays on its screen. To me this seems backwards. Does anyone else here have this same configuration???? Im wondering if this is supposed to function this way, or is it a problem with the c90. For comparison sake, I tested the c90 without the 4000x in the loop and the same results were obtained. Also, I have an older XR-U800 deck laying around (from the same era as the 40v) and hooked it up to test. The XR-U800 is the older style, and does not have a source or sound or list buttons, but rather a "file" button that calls up the list on the 40v's output. With this desk it works the right way. I also tested this with a CDX-C7850, a ES deck that is a few years old, with a source, list and sound button. It also was able to control the 40v, and it also worked correctly. (when playing a cd from the changer, the 40v displays the CD#, Track # and Track time, and so does the C7850's screen. When pushing LIST, the 40v displays the LIST of the 10 CD's in the changer. Thanks, Mark W ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Woudsma, Mark" <csmcgrn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Any C90 + XT40v users?
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Hello 4000x'ers, Recently I added an XT-40V tv tuner to my system consisting of a CDX-C90, 4000x and CDX-805. The XT-40v was installed in the unilink bus between the changer and the 4000x. Everything works fine except one thing- The LIST function. It seems that its backwards. Heres my dilema: I wish to hide my c90 from view and only use its remote, along with the GUI generated by the 40V and an in-dash LCD screen. With my c90 connected, and a cd from the changer playing, the 40v displays the list of all 10 discs in the changer. When I push LIST, the c90 faceplate screen displays the list, but the 40v output screen switches from the list to the display with the "spinning disc" graphic, plus the CD#, track # and track time. The output of the 40v is reversed from what the c90 displays on its screen. To me this seems backwards. Does anyone else here have this same configuration???? Im wondering if this is supposed to function this way, or is it a problem with the c90. For comparison sake, I tested the c90 without the 4000x in the loop and the same results were obtained. Also, I have an older XR-U800 deck laying around (from the same era as the 40v) and hooked it up to test. The XR-U800 is the older style, and does not have a source or sound or list buttons, but rather a "file" button that calls up the list on the 40v's output. With this desk it works the right way. I also tested this with a CDX-C7850, a ES deck that is a few years old, with a source, list and sound button. It also was able to control the 40v, and it also worked correctly. (when playing a cd from the changer, the 40v displays the CD#, Track # and Track time, and so does the C7850's screen. When pushing LIST, the 40v displays the LIST of the 10 CD's in the changer. Thanks, Mark W ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Anderson" <jbanderson69(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: alternative SQ affordable amps for tweet and mid
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Scott, thanks for the feedback on the A/D/S amps. does anyone else have a recommendation for either a four channel or 2 x two channel amps that could replace my current 4x50 model? regards, John From: "John Anderson" <jbanderson69(at)hotmail.com> Subject: XDP4000X-List: re: ppi art amps for tweet and mid List members, have any of you used an PPI art amp in your installs? I am looking for an alternative to the Brax X1400 i am using in my system for tweets and mids w/out a serious loss in SQ, and someone mentioned the PPI Art series as a good alternative. I know that you can get good deals on these units on Ebay, but I would really like some feedback from someone who has heard one. I also have been told that the ADS PQ20 and PS5 would be pretty good and that Harman Kardon, Adcom, Simfoni and Genesis as well as the early Xtants are good choices too. Does anyone have specific model recommendations to look for? my amp rack space is about 9.25" wide and about 20" long. I would need 4 channels of amplification for a dyn 340 system tweet and mid-dome woof. I wanted to use the X1400 in another car b/c it is a bit overkill for the tweets and mid power-wise, but I don't want to lose a ton of SQ and I know that SQ is pretty important when it comes to tweets. I will keep the X2400 for use on the woofer and sub and hopefully the XDP4k would not have any problems w/the change in amp(s). regards, John _______________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ From: Scott Walters <scott(at)packetpushers.com> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: re: ppi art amps for tweet and mid On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, John Anderson wrote: > I also have been told that the ADS PQ20 and PS5 would be pretty good and > > space is about 9.25" wide and about 20" long. I would need 4 channels of > amplification for a dyn 340 system tweet and mid-dome woof. I wanted to use I am currently using the PQ15 and PQ20 for my dyn 340's. 4000 high pass to PQ15 bridged (2x80) to the dyn 360a xover to the tweet/mid, and 4000 low pass to the PQ20 bridged (2x160) to the dyn woofers. I've done the tri amplification to the dyns and there is more 'detail' but coherency is lost in the tweet/mid. Plus I've popped my tweeters adjusting gain (apparently the dyn tweets are sensitive to this without an impedance cap/crossover) I don't like the PQ20 bridged to the woofers. Seems at higher volumes they can 'lose control of the woofer' and I get pops. At one point I ran the lowpass from the 4000 into my JL amp and then highpassed 40-45Hz, and it got rid of the pops, but the line output of the JL can't touch the 4000 and I lost the umph. I've also tried 2x80, but the Dyn woofers need more to sing . . . . The ADS amps are great value SQ, but I don't think they shine when they are bridged. But since you are tri-amping you won't have that problem. The PQ20 might be more overkill though for the tweet/mid, but given the price (I got mine for 225 ebay), i doubt you'll stay up at night . . . I am looking to go brax/zapco 4 channel . . . -- Scott Walters -PacketPusher Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Subject: Re: RE: alternative SQ affordable amps for tweet and mid
In a message dated 4/8/04 3:37:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbanderson69(at)hotmail.com writes: Scott, thanks for the feedback on the A/D/S amps. does anyone else have a recommendation for either a four channel or 2 x two channel amps that could replace my current 4x50 model? regards, John Honestly, to me the A/D/S PQ 20 is one of the best amps you can get hands down...... I have 2 that i refuse to sell........ one is in my car now, the other on the shelf.. I have owned aprobably 12 A/D/S amps..... 3 PH 15's, 3 PQ 20's, A P640.2, a P650, a P2110, 2 P4100's, a PQ 10....... and i think thats it....... and the PQ 20's are among my favorites...... the newer series P650's absolutely suck....... IMHO, After using it for a month, i went back to a PH 15 that i've had for over 10 years..... now i will be using 2 P 4100's and a JBL BPx 2200.1 :) I am selling the P2110 and a PPI PC2600 (chrome) though.......... Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Drem Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Any C90 + XT40v users?
Date: Apr 09, 2004
I have a C90, 4kX, and XT40V in my setup with a PS2 and mine is very buggy. screen, not my LCD. My the audio source select doesn't work correctly. When I press my Source button to move to Auxilary, the sound from my PS2 doesn't work. Then when Ichange the audio source(while watching auxilary video) to CD for dual-source, it pulls audio from the CD Changer input (I don't have a CD Changer), so NOW I get my audio from my PS2 -because I input the audio output from PS2 into the changer input. Then when I press Source again to move back to the Auxilary sound, the PS2 sound works, still, on the CD Changer input (on the 4kX). I have to bypass the XT40V for audio because it adds terrible hiss and signal loss to the stream; it is incredibly bad. I'm wondering if I was sold a maintenence-needy XT40V... :/ I HATE having to have my remote with me to listen to my auxilary sound (by having to change the audio source a few times to get the signal), because my tiny Civic honestly doesn't have anywhere to set the remote while not in use . -Brody ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Woudsma, Mark" csmcgrn(at)comcast.net Subject: XDP4000X-List: RE: Any C90 + XT40v users? Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:47:35 -0700 -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Woudsma, Mark" csmcgrn(at)comcast.net Hello 4000x'ers, Recently I added an XT-40V tv tuner to my system consisting of a CDX-C90, 4000x and CDX-805. The XT-40v was installed in the unilink bus between the changer and the 4000x. Everything works fine except one thing- The LIST function. It seems that its backwards. Heres my dilema: I wish to hide my c90 from view and only use its remote, along with the GUI generated by the 40V and an in-dash LCD screen. With my c90 connected, and a cd from the changer playing, the 40v displays the list of all 10 discs in the changer. When I push LIST, the c90 faceplate screen displays the list, but the 40v output screen switches from the list to the display with the "spinning disc" graphic, plus the CD#, track # and track time. The output of the 40v is reversed from what the c90 displays on its screen. To me this seems backwards. Does anyone else here have this same configuration???? Im wondering if this is supposed to function this way, or is it a problem with the c90. For comparison sake, I tested the c90 without the 4000x in the loop and the same results were obtained. Also, I have an older XR-U800 decklaying around (from the same era as the 40v) and hooked it up to test. The XR-U800 is the older style, and does not have a source or sound or list buttons, but rather a "file" button that calls up the list on the 40v's output. With this desk it works the right way. I also tested this with a CDX-C7850, a ES deck that is a few years old, with a source, list and sound button. It also was able to control the 40v, and it also worked correctly. (when playing a cd from the changer, the 40v displays the CD#, Track # and Track time, and so does the C7850's screen.When pushing LIST, the 40v displays the LIST of the 10 CD's in the changer. Thanks, Mark W ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2004
From: Scott Walters <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
Subject: Re: RE: alternative SQ affordable amps for tweet and
mid On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 NOTGSXR(at)aol.com wrote: > Honestly, to me the A/D/S PQ 20 is one of the best amps you can get hands > down...... do you run it bridged? what are you driving with it? -- Scott Walters -PacketPusher ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 09, 2004
Subject: Re: RE: alternative SQ affordable amps for tweet and mid
In a message dated 4/9/04 10:03:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scott(at)packetpushers.com writes: On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 NOTGSXR(at)aol.com wrote: > Honestly, to me the A/D/S PQ 20 is one of the best amps you can get hands > down...... do you run it bridged? what are you driving with it? I didn't run it bridged..... Last i used it for a pair of Focal TN-51 tweets and a pair of Focal 4k 3202 mids........ never ran into any trouble or was never dissatisfied with it...... Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JSujo(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 09, 2004
Subject: Re: RE: alternative SQ affordable amps for tweet and mid
try to find some ADCOM amps,,,very very good sound. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Any C90 + XT40v users?
Date: Apr 10, 2004
>From: "Drem Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: RE: Any C90 + XT40v users? >Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:51:24 +0000 > > >I have a C90, 4kX, and XT40V in my setup with a PS2 and mine is very buggy. > > >C90 screen, not my LCD. > Well that's an easy one. The 40V isn't capable of displaying CD-TEXT. It is capable of displaying only CustomFile and MD Text information. It may just be the C90 but I'm pretty sure the 40V cannot do CD-TEXT. The only difference betweent the U400V and the 40V was the ability to display MD-Text (the older U400V and U500V could not). > >My the audio source select doesn't work correctly. When I press my Source >button to move to Auxilary, the sound from my PS2 doesn't work. Then when >Ichange the audio source(while watching auxilary video) to CD for >dual-source, it pulls audio from the CD Changer input (I don't have a CD >Changer), so NOW I get my audio from my PS2 -because I input the audio >output from PS2 into the changer input. Then when I press Source again to >move back to the Auxilary sound, the PS2 sound works, still, on the CD >Changer input (on the 4kX). I have to bypass the XT40V for audio because it >adds terrible hiss and signal loss to the stream; it is incredibly bad. I'm >wondering if I was sold a maintenence-needy XT40V... :/ I HATE having to >have my remote with me to listen to my auxilary sound (by having to change >the audio source a few times to get the signal), because my tiny Civic >honestly doesn't have anywhere to set the remote while not in use > . You are talking about the AUX input on the 40V, correct? And not on an XA-107 or XA-300? In that case it sounds to me like the AUX input is working correctly. There should be analog RCAs going from the TV tuner to the XDPs SLAVE analog input. But wouldn't you have to have it setup that way to get audio from the TV tuner? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something? Do you mean that when you have analog RCAs connected from the TV tuners output to the XDP's Slave input you get no audio when inputting something to the AUX input on the TV tuner? If that is the case then yes it isn't working correctly. As for the hiss/signal loss, I'm thinking you might have some sort of a ground loop issue between the TV tuner and the PS2. This often occurs when you use inverters (probably how you're powering the PS2?). Why it doesn't happen with the XDP but does happen with the TV tuner, well that's as mysterious as why you get ground loops in the first place, lol. Perhaps your TV tuner has a defect though, I'm not sure. Because if you did have a TV tuner and an analog CD changer and you needed to get audio from the TV tuner, the changer would have to go through the TV tuner no matter what. (Unless you had a source selector and wired it "downstream" of the TV tuner instead of using the 40Vs UniLink "pass-thru" and/or wiring the MCA before the tuner.) Roland M. Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Any C90 + XT40v users?
Date: Apr 10, 2004
> > > >The LIST function. It seems that its backwards. Heres my dilema: > >I wish to hide my c90 from view and only use its remote, along with the GUI >generated by the 40V and an in-dash LCD screen. > >With my c90 connected, and a cd from the changer playing, the 40v displays >the list of all 10 discs in the changer. When I push LIST, the c90 >faceplate >screen displays the list, but the 40v output screen then displays the >"spinning disc" graphic, plus the CD#, track # and track time. The output >of >the 40v is reversed from what the c90 displays on its screen. To me this >seems backwards. > >Does anyone else here have this same configuration???? Im wondering if this >is supposed to function this way, or is it a problem with the c90. > >I also tested this with a CDX-C7850, a ES deck that is a few years old, >with >a source, list and sound button. It also was able to control the 40v, and >it >also worked correctly. (when playing a cd from the changer, the 40v >displays >the CD#, Track # and Track time, and so does the C7850's screen. When >pushing LIST, the 40v displays the LIST of the 10 CD's in the changer. > >Thanks, > >Mark W Funny that you say it works backwards, because personally I wish it worked that way with all units! LOL! Your TV tuner is functioning correctly... Apparently that is how the C90 and TV tuner work together. And yes it is opposite to pretty much every other unit with TV Control. I was kind of upset that if the TV tuner is connected and you press LIST you don't get anything on the display of the HU--it ONLY goes to the monitor(s). On the C90 the LIST function remains on the C90 but doesn't go the monitor(s). Really I don't understand why Sony didn't make it go on BOTH. It makes a lot more sense like that. I've tried it with both my C7850 and [XR-]C9100 and both do the same thing--LIST on the TV tuner but nothing on the HU :( Anyway it seems to be a C90 only thing because the C7850 is actually a year or two newer than the C90 (eventhough the C7850 difffers only slightly fromt the C780 which was the same year as the C90 I believe). I don't know how the (few) Xplod units that have TV Control handle the tuner but I think it is just like every other unit. This is one of the few things I found counter-intuitive about UniLink. Why Sony didn't let you have LIST-up on both the HU and the monitor is beyond me. Just doesn't make sense, especially since in some locales (actually probably most) you aren't [legally] allowed to have a video screen in sight of the driver while the vehicle is in motion. So if you have any other unit than a C90 and you have the TV tuner, and you can't see the screen(s) you also can't what is in the changer via LIST-up :( Roland M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Any C90 + XT40v users?
Date: Apr 14, 2004
>From: "Woudsma, Mark" <csmcgrn(at)comcast.net> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >To: "'xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com'" >Subject: XDP4000X-List: Any C90 + XT40v users? >Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:53:00 -0700 > > > > Mark, a little OT here but just curious about your email address... I just noticed it is "@am.sony.com"--do you work for Sony or is this some kind of Sony internet or email service or perhaps a domain used by a non-Sony 3rd party? Just wondering... Roland M. Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Using Fiber Optic Input
Date: Apr 14, 2004
> >Hey all, > >Anyway, I was wondering if using the aux adapter >(called the U30 or U300 or 300A or something like that, right?) That would be XA-300 ;) >if you could >select your aux input but have the audio input from the changer fiber optic >input? Anything at all to make the PS2 work fiberoptically with my 4KX is >what I'm after. I don't think that is possible, sadly :( Because the AUX adapter itself behaves as a CD changer but in "AUX" mode. That is the HU will show "CDx" (depeding on where it gets assigned on the bus the x will differ, and it will differ depending on the AUX input as in CD1=AUX1, CD2=AUX2, etc.); and the HU will show AUX1/2/3 or something similar, instead of the time/text display you would get if playing back a CD. The problem occurs right at that point. Since the XA-300 (or previous XA-107) acts as a CD changer, it also must send over UniLink the audio "mode" the "changer" is set to. Since there are no optical input/switching facilities in the XA-300 it is, of course, set permanently as being in "analog" mode. This is exactly the same as if you had connected 3 changers, all with no digital output to speak of--they are permanently in analog "mode" and therefore the XDP will not accept input on the toslink for those changers. Unless you can somehow modify the information telling the HU that the audio mode is "digital" then it can't be done :( >If anyone knows how to do it then please share, otherwise >I'll just have to cheese it. (How you ask? By using a fiber-optic >combiner >and putting a CD with a blank track into the player on repeat when I want >to >use the PS2 is my idea). Cheese it eh? LOL :D Isn't that what Bender says when he means "run like heck"? :P Ah, you gotta love Bender--"Bite my shiny metal ass!" hee hee. Okay enough with the Futurama... Unfortunately, and I *hate* to break it to you, that idea won't work either! :( This is because whenever the CDX unit has it's mechanism active (as in even when it is moving to seek a new disc or reading a disc at all, blank or not; or even that very short time when the disc is *spinning down* when you de-select the changer) the optical output (the red light) will be ON. If that light is on and the PS2's output is also on, you will get a mute. There will be no proper/understandable signal for the XDP (or any D/A for that matter) to lock onto--this is a DIN UNLOCK situation. The fact is you must completely isolate the output from the changer to get the output from the PS2 to work, and vice versa. If your PS2 is powered on and its output on (red light on) the CD changer's output will then become garble (to the D/A) and you'll get nothing. A passive splitter/combiner will NOT provide this facility :( You'll either have to use a manual switcher (either the passive push-button type or far more expensive active electronic type) or build/find an active switcher with priority for one input over another (that way you could put the PS2 on the "priority" input and whenever it is on it will "take over", when it is off it will switch to the changer). Roland M. > >-Drem > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Using Fiber Optic Input
Date: Apr 14, 2004
> > > > >Hey all, > > > >Anyway, I was wondering if using the aux adapter > >(called the U30 or U300 or 300A or something like that, right?) > >That would be XA-300 ;) > > >if you could > >select your aux input but have the audio input from the changer fiber >optic > >input? Anything at all to make the PS2 work fiberoptically with my 4KX >is > >what I'm after. > >I don't think that is possible, sadly :( [...] You know I was thinking about this again and remembered that the XA-300 does have a digital input but it isn't of the S/PDIF variety. AUX IN 3 is a USB input, which acts as a USB Sound Device, for a PC... However, I highly doubt the PS2 is compatible with such devices through its USB port (I mean in any other application it would be 100% pointless for the PS2 to have support for this as it already has its own analog and digital outs). Still even then you'd be using the D/A in the XA-300 and not the XDP unit, so using the PS2s analog out is probably just as good unless you're experiencing ground loop problems, excess interference or something of the like, with the PS2 installation. Well kind of a moot point, but just an observation/mention in case anyone was wondering if the USB input on the XA-300 would be of any use in this or other situations. As an aside, other than a laptop or an in-car PC what use does this input have? Can HDD or solid-state based MP3 players like the Ipod, etc. stream audio to a USB sound device? I wouldn't think so because they aren't USB hub/hosts I don't think, right? Are there any other uses for the USB input besides a PC/Laptop? Roland M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Drem Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Any C90 + XT40v users?
Date: Apr 14, 2004
... in response to Roland M. >You are talking about the AUX input on the 40V, correct? Correct. >And not on an XA-107 or XA-300? Nope. >In that case it sounds to me like the AUX input is working correctly. >There should be analog RCAs going from the TV tuner to the XDPs SLAVE >analog input. But wouldn't you have to have it setup that way to get audio >from the TV tuner? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something? You got that all right. I dont use the TV tuner though, I cannot tune in a single local station with it, and I just got it to have TV integrated with the C90/4000x combo. BUT, when I did input the PS2 audio/video into the Aux on the XT40V I got serious noise, so I have to bypass the XT40V in the audio portion and just input it straight to the XDP Slave/Changer input to keep it noise-free. The video from the PS2 still, of course, goes to the XT40V and then to the TV. >Do you mean that when you have analog RCAs connected from the TV tuners >output to the XDP's Slave input you get no audio when inputting something >to the AUX input on the TV tuner? If that is the case then yes it isn't >working correctly. Yes, that is correct. I don't get audio initially from either setup (either inputting through the Aux XT40V input and then to the XDP Changer input (and getting an awful noise floor) OR bypassing the XT40V and connecting the RCAs from the PS2 directly to the XDP Changer/Slave input. To get audio in either instance, I have to hit MENU on my Remote, go to Source Select Edit and then change the AUDIO source to either CD or CD to Aux again - When I choose CD, the XDP seems to look for audio on the XDPs Changer/Slave input even though I DO NOT have a changer. In case you didn't get what I'm saying here, to put it clear: When I am listening to a CD in CD mode, or the Radio in Radio mode... let's say I want to now watch a movie on the PS2. I press the Source button on my C90 until I get to the XT40V. Now I press MODE until I get to the Auxilary Input. Now I get PS2 Video but NO sound. I press MENU on my remote and go to the Source Select Edit and change my AUDIO source in that menu once or twice (doesn't matter, starts working after I attempt to change it, whether I leave it on CD or change it back to ---). Did that help? >As for the hiss/signal loss, I'm thinking you might have some sort of a ground loop issue between the TV tuner and the PS2. This often occurs when you use inverters (probably how you're powering the PS2?). Yes to the inverter question. >Why it doesn't happen with the XDP but does happen with the TV tuner, well >that's as mysterious as why you get ground loops in the first place, lol. >Perhaps your TV tuner has a defect though, I'm not sure. Because if you >did have a TV tuner and an analog CD changer and you needed to get audio >from the TV tuner, the changer would have to go through the TV tuner no >matter what. I don't have a changer, just my PS2, the XT40V, XDP and C90. -Drem ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 06, 2004
From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Sony In-Car TV Tuner Model XT-77V
does anyone know of this unit?? will it work with the c90?? it is on ebay right now. --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out!
Date: May 21, 2004
I was driving to work when i hit a huge bump at the rail raod tracks and my C90 suddenly started cutting in and out after that. It turns off and then quickly turns on agian but its doing it all the time. I also poped out the CD that was in the deck and now I can't get it to open again after pressing the button. I haven't had a chance to take out the deck and look at the wiring but I have a feeling that its the deck. I live in Canada and if I have to send it to Sony to get repaired where do I send to. What is the address and the procedure for send the deck? How much? I'm so angry and depressed at the same time. Thanks for any help, Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out!
Date: May 21, 2004
Before you send anything in, have you tried to reset the deck? I've had a couple instances where things went wrong, display going out, no volume control, and whatnot, and all I had to do was take the faceplate off, and push the reset button. I know it's a far cry, but, it could be easily missed too. Good luck. If that doesn't work, just call Sony customer support, I'm sure they have a toll free number posted on their website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> Subject: XDP4000X-List: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out! > > I was driving to work when i hit a huge bump at the rail raod tracks and my > C90 suddenly started cutting in and out after that. It turns off and then > quickly turns on agian but its doing it all the time. I also poped out the > CD that was in the deck and now I can't get it to open again after pressing > the button. > > I haven't had a chance to take out the deck and look at the wiring but I > have a feeling that its the deck. > > I live in Canada and if I have to send it to Sony to get repaired where do I > send to. What is the address and the procedure for send the deck? How > much? I'm so angry and depressed at the same time. > > Thanks for any help, > Mike > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out!
Date: May 21, 2004
Well I reset the deck and I still have the same problems...I've noticed 3 things: 1) with the radio on it turns off and then quickly back on...intermitently 2) with the CD it tries to play the first track and won't do it...it jsut keeps trying to spin it 3) Its also staying open for a long time after it already ejected the CD. What would make it constaly turn off and on? Thanks, Mike ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out! Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:29:46 -0500 Before you send anything in, have you tried to reset the deck? I've had a couple instances where things went wrong, display going out, no volume control, and whatnot, and all I had to do was take the faceplate off, and push the reset button. I know it's a far cry, but, it could be easily missed too. Good luck. If that doesn't work, just call Sony customer support, I'm sure they have a toll free number posted on their website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> Subject: XDP4000X-List: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out! > > I was driving to work when i hit a huge bump at the rail raod tracks and my > C90 suddenly started cutting in and out after that. It turns off and then > quickly turns on agian but its doing it all the time. I also poped out the > CD that was in the deck and now I can't get it to open again after pressing > the button. > > I haven't had a chance to take out the deck and look at the wiring but I > have a feeling that its the deck. > > I live in Canada and if I have to send it to Sony to get repaired where do I > send to. What is the address and the procedure for send the deck? How > much? I'm so angry and depressed at the same time. > > Thanks for any help, > Mike > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out!
Date: May 21, 2004
How about a short in the remote commander? Do you use it? David Kennedy -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Piccin Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out! Well I reset the deck and I still have the same problems...I've noticed 3 things: 1) with the radio on it turns off and then quickly back on...intermitently 2) with the CD it tries to play the first track and won't do it...it jsut keeps trying to spin it 3) Its also staying open for a long time after it already ejected the CD. What would make it constaly turn off and on? Thanks, Mike ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out! Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:29:46 -0500 Before you send anything in, have you tried to reset the deck? I've had a couple instances where things went wrong, display going out, no volume control, and whatnot, and all I had to do was take the faceplate off, and push the reset button. I know it's a far cry, but, it could be easily missed too. Good luck. If that doesn't work, just call Sony customer support, I'm sure they have a toll free number posted on their website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> Subject: XDP4000X-List: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out! > > I was driving to work when i hit a huge bump at the rail raod tracks and my > C90 suddenly started cutting in and out after that. It turns off and then > quickly turns on agian but its doing it all the time. I also poped out the > CD that was in the deck and now I can't get it to open again after pressing > the button. > > I haven't had a chance to take out the deck and look at the wiring but I > have a feeling that its the deck. > > I live in Canada and if I have to send it to Sony to get repaired where do I > send to. What is the address and the procedure for send the deck? How > much? I'm so angry and depressed at the same time. > > Thanks for any help, > Mike > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out!
Date: May 22, 2004
I fixed it! ...I took the deck out and it was still doing it...so I honestly got so mad I just smacked the top of the chassis...I heard a wheezing sound briefly and then suddenly it started to work properly. I couldn't believe it. I put it back in and so far so good. Really makes me appreciate my system more since it wasn't working...I really don't think I could do without it...I was dying :) Thanks for the replies, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out! > > How about a short in the remote commander? Do you use it? > > > David Kennedy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Piccin > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out! > > > > Well I reset the deck and I still have the same problems...I've noticed > 3 > things: > 1) with the radio on it turns off and then quickly back > on...intermitently > 2) with the CD it tries to play the first track and won't do it...it > jsut > keeps trying to spin it > 3) Its also staying open for a long time after it already ejected the > CD. > > What would make it constaly turn off and on? > > Thanks, Mike > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net> > To: > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out! > Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:29:46 -0500 > > > > Before you send anything in, have you tried to reset the deck? I've had > a > couple instances where things went wrong, display going out, no volume > control, and whatnot, and all I had to do was take the faceplate off, > and > push the reset button. I know it's a far cry, but, it could be easily > missed too. Good luck. If that doesn't work, just call Sony customer > support, I'm sure they have a toll free number posted on their website. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Piccin" <mpiccin2(at)hotmail.com> > To: > Subject: XDP4000X-List: HELP my C90 is cutting in and out! > > > > > > > I was driving to work when i hit a huge bump at the rail raod tracks > and > my > > C90 suddenly started cutting in and out after that. It turns off and > > then > > quickly turns on agian but its doing it all the time. I also poped > out > the > > CD that was in the deck and now I can't get it to open again after > pressing > > the button. > > > > I haven't had a chance to take out the deck and look at the wiring > but I > > have a feeling that its the deck. > > > > I live in Canada and if I have to send it to Sony to get repaired > where > do > I > > send to. What is the address and the procedure for send the deck? > How > > much? I'm so angry and depressed at the same time. > > > > Thanks for any help, > > Mike > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Uncle Comfort" <unclecomfort(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: POLL: 2 way active speaker setup
Date: May 23, 2004
Hi friends, Just like to poll which 2 ways speaker combo and crossover points you guys used with C90&4000x combo. produce good results. I have hence use my PPI amp crossover to cross them at 2840(mid) and 2820(tweet) instead. However, I still think it is not good enough. Any good 2 way setup that you guys might have heard? Rgd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Uncle Comfort" <unclecomfort(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2 way active speaker setup
Date: May 26, 2004
Anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: Uncle Comfort To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: POLL: 2 way active speaker setup Hi friends, Just like to poll which 2 ways speaker combo and crossover points you guys used with C90&4000x combo. not produce good results. I have hence use my PPI amp crossover to cross them at 2840(mid) and 2820(tweet) instead. However, I still think it is not good enough. Any good 2 way setup that you guys might have heard? Rgd ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2004
From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2 way active speaker setup
sorry man I cant help I still have my xdp-4000x in the box till I get the rest of my equiptment Uncle Comfort wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Uncle Comfort" Anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: Uncle Comfort Subject: POLL: 2 way active speaker setup Hi friends, Just like to poll which 2 ways speaker combo and crossover points you guys used with C90&4000x combo. produce good results. I have hence use my PPI amp crossover to cross them at 2840(mid) and 2820(tweet) instead. However, I still think it is not good enough. Any good 2 way setup that you guys might have heard? Rgd --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2 way active speaker setup
Date: May 25, 2004
You could get a couple of 24xs or 2xs audio control crossovers and do it once it comes out of the xdp. (so you'd still get the time alignment and eq from it) I'm using the lowest setting on the tweeter end & for my components (4k or something like that). The mfgr recommends 2800 hz at 12db/oct on the tweeter and 18/db on the mid, but in order to do that I'll have to run the bi-wire setup like you are doing using the mfgr's passive crossovers. I haven't yet tried it but I may in the future. Unfortunately this is just the limit of the crappy internal xover :(. David Kennedy -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle Comfort Subject: XDP4000X-List: Re: 2 way active speaker setup Anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: Uncle Comfort To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: POLL: 2 way active speaker setup Hi friends, Just like to poll which 2 ways speaker combo and crossover points you guys used with C90&4000x combo. combo did not produce good results. I have hence use my PPI amp crossover to cross them at 2840(mid) and 2820(tweet) instead. However, I still think it is not good enough. Any good 2 way setup that you guys might have heard? Rgd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Freeland" <ultra_19(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2 way active speaker setup
Date: May 27, 2004
Hey Uncle, I would try sticking with the x-overs in the 4000x as much as possible and not your amps. These x-overs are active and they make a more precise slope and cut off than your amps. Also, since they are in the digital range and the x-over is coming before your amps, this would let you make the most of your amps power and your dynamic range will be as best as possible. With a two way system, setting the x-overs will not be that difficult due to having fewer GOOD options. If I were you, I would place a much musical information as you can to one speaker on the left and to one on the right. (If the midrange was in the kickpanel, for instance, send as much information to this speaker as possible, and send the remaining information to the tweeter. The reason for this is that in order to make the best stereo image as possible, the sound needs to APPEAR as though it is coming from one centralized location on the left as well as on the right. If half your musical information is in the midrange and the other half is in your tweeter (say the x-over is at 1k) then your center image and overall sound will not be as sharp, due to the fact that you will have competing sound source locations (2 on left and two on the right) as well as due to other more in depth factors. Consequently, you image will not be as sharp as it could be. With the 4000x, I would x-over your midrange and tweeter at 6k, thus maximizing the amount of information going to the midrange. The midrange is the single most important speaker in the system, at least for SQ freaks, and if you have a 4000x , most likely that is the reason you do...for SQ. If your tweeter is located very close to your midrange (say about a foot or less) then I would place the slope at 72/db. If your 2 way setup is more seperated (for instance, the tweets are in the dash, while the midrange is in the floor or door), then I would go with the 24/db, since this slope is more natural sounding and would role off in a more forigiving way than a sharper slope would. Otherwise, it is easy into phase coherance, despite having some control with time delay. I don't know if you have a sub or not, or intend to grow your set up a three or four way system, but it would be an obvious good idea. I'm sure your intending to do this. Hope I've been somewhat helpful. Patrick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Component ideas?
Date: May 31, 2004
I'm thinking of replacing the front components in my car, and am in the market for something that'd fit in a stock 5 1/4" component speaker slot. Tweeter mount isn't an issue or concern, but the 5.25 speaker is as big as I may go in this install. Any opinions on what'd match well with the 4000x's crossover selection and overall quality? Also, any deals out there that you guys know of? What do you all think? Bobby ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Component ideas?
Date: Jun 01, 2004
>XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" > >I'm thinking of replacing the front components in my car, and am in the >market for something that'd fit in a stock 5 1/4" component speaker slot. >Tweeter mount isn't an issue or concern, but the 5.25 speaker is as big as >I >may go in this install. Any opinions on what'd match well with the 4000x's >crossover selection and overall quality? Also, any deals out there that >you >guys know of? What do you all think? > >Bobby > cdt's from thezeb.com? wait, the budget 61a's are 6.5"...hmmm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Component ideas?
Date: Jun 01, 2004
I'm not necessarily on a 'budget' just looking for a deal if at all possible. I didn't shell out all the $$ I did for my c90 and 4000x so that I would have to cut myself short on the speakers. It's just time to upgrade, and really, I'm willing to spend just about anything. Just have to keep it in the 5.25" range due to the install. Was thinking about the Focal Utopia line, but I remember a while ago someone mentioned the T47 tweeter was better than their newer line T51, and that's held me back from going that route. What do you all think. Ha ha, is there anyone even out there that still owns the 4000x, maybe this forum's dead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Component ideas? > > >XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Bobby Braun" > > > >I'm thinking of replacing the front components in my car, and am in the > >market for something that'd fit in a stock 5 1/4" component speaker slot. > >Tweeter mount isn't an issue or concern, but the 5.25 speaker is as big as > >I > >may go in this install. Any opinions on what'd match well with the 4000x's > >crossover selection and overall quality? Also, any deals out there that > >you > >guys know of? What do you all think? > > > >Bobby > > > > cdt's from thezeb.com? wait, the budget 61a's are 6.5"...hmmm > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 02, 2004
From: Justin Baron <justinjbaron(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Component ideas?
Hey Bobby, A lot of people like the PG components - the drivers are made by Morel. You could either get just the 5.25 set or go for their 3-way which includes a shallow mount 9" midbass driver. Focal has a Polyglass set that is 10-5-tweet. Not sure of any deals, but these are all nice drivers. Or the BA Z5 is really smooth, but not cheap at all. Take care Justin > >I'm thinking of replacing the front components in my car, and am in the >market for something that'd fit in a stock 5 1/4" component speaker slot. >Tweeter mount isn't an issue or concern, but the 5.25 speaker is as big as I >may go in this install. Any opinions on what'd match well with the 4000x's >crossover selection and overall quality? Also, any deals out there that you >guys know of? What do you all think? > >Bobby > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/01/04
Date: Jun 02, 2004
>I'm not necessarily on a 'budget' just looking for a deal if at all >possible. I didn't shell out all the $$ I did for my c90 and 4000x so that >I would have to cut myself short on the speakers. It's just time to >upgrade, and really, I'm willing to spend just about anything. Just have to >keep it in the 5.25" range due to the install. Was thinking about the >Focal Utopia line, but I remember a while ago someone mentioned the T47 >tweeter was better than their newer line T51, and that's held me back from >going that route. What do you all think. Ha ha, is there anyone even out >there that still owns the 4000x, maybe this forum's dead? > If not on a budget, then mya I steer you to what I use, the dynaudio. I curently use a 6.5", but I'm sure dyn offers a 5 and quart inch mids. If you want purchase separate raw drivers, may I suggest skanning's offering? They sound a whole lot better than my 240's, and I'm thinking about upgrading to those in the near future. BTW, no, I don't own a 4000x, I use the good ol' 210EQ instead. :) One ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 02, 2004
Subject: Re: Component ideas?
In a message dated 6/2/04 8:13:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, justinjbaron(at)comcast.net writes: Hey Bobby, A lot of people like the PG components - the drivers are made by Morel. You could either get just the 5.25 set or go for their 3-way which includes a shallow mount 9" midbass driver. Focal has a Polyglass set that is 10-5-tweet. Not sure of any deals, but these are all nice drivers. Or the BA Z5 is really smooth, but not cheap at all. Take care Justin Another note on the Boston Z's..... They really need like 300-450 watts to wake up :) Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 02, 2004
From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RE: XDP4000X-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/01/04
what about the refernce speakers that sony sold a while back?? you can still find sellers on line for those Park" >I'm not necessarily on a 'budget' just looking for a deal if at all >possible. I didn't shell out all the $$ I did for my c90 and 4000x so that >I would have to cut myself short on the speakers. It's just time to >upgrade, and really, I'm willing to spend just about anything. Just have to >keep it in the 5.25" range due to the install. Was thinking about the >Focal Utopia line, but I remember a while ago someone mentioned the T47 >tweeter was better than their newer line T51, and that's held me back from >going that route. What do you all think. Ha ha, is there anyone even out >there that still owns the 4000x, maybe this forum's dead? > If not on a budget, then mya I steer you to what I use, the dynaudio. I curently use a 6.5", but I'm sure dyn offers a 5 and quart inch mids. If you want purchase separate raw drivers, may I suggest skanning's offering? They sound a whole lot better than my 240's, and I'm thinking about upgrading to those in the near future. BTW, no, I don't own a 4000x, I use the good ol' 210EQ instead. :) One --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Component ideas?
Date: Jun 02, 2004
I actually own all PG amps, but have been quite skeptical about the quality of their components since I've only known them as an amp manufacturer. Honestly, if you guys think the quality of the PG components are there I might go that route, before this I was leaning the direction of Focal. Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: <NOTGSXR(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Component ideas? > > In a message dated 6/2/04 8:13:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > justinjbaron(at)comcast.net writes: > > Hey Bobby, > > A lot of people like the PG components - the drivers are made by > Morel. You could either get just the 5.25 set or go for their 3-way which > includes a shallow mount 9" midbass driver. > > Focal has a Polyglass set that is 10-5-tweet. > > Not sure of any deals, but these are all nice drivers. Or the BA Z5 is > really smooth, but not cheap at all. > > Take care > > Justin > > Another note on the Boston Z's..... They really need like 300-450 watts to > wake up :) > > Dan > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DJholl98(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 02, 2004
Subject: Re: Component ideas?
i heard PG's top of the line components in a store display about 7 years ago and i wasn't at all impressed, they seemed very harsh. from the reviews i have seen focal, dynaudio, and A/D/S seem to be popular. Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Jun 15, 2004
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From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP-210EQ Relay on Remote problem...
Date: Jun 21, 2004
Recently I was doing some rewiring in my car, replacing my old alarm with a new one and doing a few other things since the weather is nice now :) Anyway I was always running my remote from my head unit using a relay on the remote wire since I'm running two amplifiers and an active electronic crossover (for bi-amping my components) and I thought using the relay is just cheap insurance plus it allows me to add other amps without any worry. Well I decided to do away with the wire going from the HU to the back and simply run the remote from the XDP unit's remote terminal. Again I decided that a relay would be a good idea on the remote line, just-in-case. But I had something very strange occur when I tried to use the relay on the XDP's remote terminal. Connecting one side of the coil to ground and the other side to the remote terminal would instantly cause the green POWER indicator light on the XDP to come on, and stay on, at about half its normal brightness. It's as if it were giving me a "signal" that I wired something incorrectly. Removing the relay and simply connecting the remote wire directly did not cause this. I find this to be very strange behaviour since I don't think there is any reason to be doing this. I even tried using a diode across the coil of the relay as is sometimes required but it still did the same thing, the light on the XDP comes on. Has anyone else encountered this on either a 210EQ or a 4000X or know what's going on (or what I'm doing wrong)? It seems to be holding up without the relay as of right now but with a 300mA limit on the remote output on the XDP I'm guessing if I add anything else I'm going to have to go off the HU's remote line, to be safe? For reference, all I'm doing is connecting a regular SPDT relay with one side of the coil (85) to the remote terminal on the XDP, the other side (86) to ground, the output pin (30) to the amps&xover, and finally pin (87) to +12V. It doesn't matter if I wire the whole thing up or not; as soon as I connect one side of the coil to ground and the other side to the remote terminal the power light turns on... Roland M. Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 21, 2004
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Sweet Deal On 4000x!
FYI, There a sweet deal on a nice XDP-4000x on EBay right now... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14931&item=5705234513&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Matt Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: XDP-210EQ Relay on Remote problem...
Date: Jun 22, 2004
I'd imagine from what your saying there is something wrong with the relay. Does the light come on in the 210 when there is no live connceted to the relay? -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland M Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Relay on Remote problem... Recently I was doing some rewiring in my car, replacing my old alarm with a new one and doing a few other things since the weather is nice now :) Anyway I was always running my remote from my head unit using a relay on the remote wire since I'm running two amplifiers and an active electronic crossover (for bi-amping my components) and I thought using the relay is just cheap insurance plus it allows me to add other amps without any worry. Well I decided to do away with the wire going from the HU to the back and simply run the remote from the XDP unit's remote terminal. Again I decided that a relay would be a good idea on the remote line, just-in-case. But I had something very strange occur when I tried to use the relay on the XDP's remote terminal. Connecting one side of the coil to ground and the other side to the remote terminal would instantly cause the green POWER indicator light on the XDP to come on, and stay on, at about half its normal brightness. It's as if it were giving me a "signal" that I wired something incorrectly. Removing the relay and simply connecting the remote wire directly did not cause this. I find this to be very strange behaviour since I don't think there is any reason to be doing this. I even tried using a diode across the coil of the relay as is sometimes required but it still did the same thing, the light on the XDP comes on. Has anyone else encountered this on either a 210EQ or a 4000X or know what's going on (or what I'm doing wrong)? It seems to be holding up without the relay as of right now but with a 300mA limit on the remote output on the XDP I'm guessing if I add anything else I'm going to have to go off the HU's remote line, to be safe? For reference, all I'm doing is connecting a regular SPDT relay with one side of the coil (85) to the remote terminal on the XDP, the other side (86) to ground, the output pin (30) to the amps&xover, and finally pin (87) to +12V. It doesn't matter if I wire the whole thing up or not; as soon as +I connect one side of the coil to ground and the other side to the remote terminal the power light turns on... Roland M. Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/ 01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 22, 2004
From: Pete <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: SQXPERT
Hi all, I have been trying to contact sqxpert on the list because I bought an xdp-4000x from him. It was advertised on this list ages back. Does anyone know him or have any contact details as I can't get hold of him at the moment (believe me, I have tried). Thanks guys, Pete --- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 22, 2004
Subject: Re: SQXPERT
In a message dated 6/22/04 6:23:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dabrow(at)orange.net writes: Hi all, I have been trying to contact sqxpert on the list because I bought an xdp-4000x from him. It was advertised on this list ages back. Does anyone know him or have any contact details as I can't get hold of him at the moment (believe me, I have tried). Thanks guys, Pete Pete, his email is _Sqxpert(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Sqxpert(at)aol.com) ..... I talked with him about buying his unit to swap out the front plate of mine.... but you beat me to it......... lol.. Oh well........ anyone know Tim??????? Hopefully we don't have to send out the Lynch Mob!!!! Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: XM options?
Date: Jun 24, 2004
Ok, so are there any 100% compatible XM radio options for the c90/4000x combo? If so great, what are they, if not, what are our other options and their drawbacks, how well can it be integrated? I've been thinking of maybe taking a look at the XM offerings out there, but I'm nowhere near ready to rid myself of my 4000x... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 23, 2004
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: XM options?
I assume you are referring to XM Radio? Sony has a Unilink XM Radio box called the XT-XM1 that works GREAT with the C90/4000x. You just plug it into the Unilink bus and it shows up like a MD Changer with 150 or so "discs", each one being a XM Radio station. There are a fair number XT-XM1's on EBay right now. Slick, clean installation. I've heard that Sony has discontinued them. That being said, about to come out (end of July) is a new version of the XM Radio for the Unilink bus (I don't think its made by Sony). Its a little different in that there is the basic Radio for $99 then you have to buy the correct "interface module" for it for another $50. They will have interface modules for Alpine and Sony. Check out www.crutchfield.com for details. Matt PS - I LOVE my XT-XM1 XM Radio receivers with my Sony C90. Awesome. At 11:00 PM 6/23/2004 Wednesday, you wrote: > >Ok, so are there any 100% compatible XM radio options for the c90/4000x >combo? If so great, what are they, if not, what are our other options and >their drawbacks, how well can it be integrated? I've been thinking of maybe >taking a look at the XM offerings out there, but I'm nowhere near ready to >rid myself of my 4000x... > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: XM options?
Date: Jun 24, 2004
Hey, that's great! I looked into it a bit and it even looks like I'll have no problem keeping my current changer in the car too, but will I be able to keep my optical connection from the changer? Since the XM tuner would be connected via analog rca cable, will the unilink bus system be smart enough to differentiate which component uses optical, and which is running analog? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XM options? > > I assume you are referring to XM Radio? Sony has a Unilink XM Radio box > called the XT-XM1 that works GREAT with the C90/4000x. You just plug it > into the Unilink bus and it shows up like a MD Changer with 150 or so > "discs", each one being a XM Radio station. > > There are a fair number XT-XM1's on EBay right now. Slick, clean > installation. I've heard that Sony has discontinued them. > > That being said, about to come out (end of July) is a new version of the XM > Radio for the Unilink bus (I don't think its made by Sony). Its a little > different in that there is the basic Radio for $99 then you have to buy the > correct "interface module" for it for another $50. They will have > interface modules for Alpine and Sony. Check out www.crutchfield.com for > details. > > Matt > > PS - I LOVE my XT-XM1 XM Radio receivers with my Sony C90. Awesome. > > > At 11:00 PM 6/23/2004 Wednesday, you wrote: > > > >Ok, so are there any 100% compatible XM radio options for the c90/4000x > >combo? If so great, what are they, if not, what are our other options and > >their drawbacks, how well can it be integrated? I've been thinking of maybe > >taking a look at the XM offerings out there, but I'm nowhere near ready to > >rid myself of my 4000x... > > > > > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 24, 2004
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: XM options?
Yup! Works great. Seems that the HU determines which input to use (optical or line-level) at initialization and remembers it. Just plug it all together, press the Reset button on the HU and you're good to go... Matt At 07:06 AM 6/24/2004 Thursday, you wrote: > >Hey, that's great! I looked into it a bit and it even looks like I'll have >no problem keeping my current changer in the car too, but will I be able to >keep my optical connection from the changer? > >Since the XM tuner would be connected via analog rca cable, will the unilink >bus system be smart enough to differentiate which component uses optical, >and which is running analog? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> >To: >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XM options? > > > > > > I assume you are referring to XM Radio? Sony has a Unilink XM Radio box > > called the XT-XM1 that works GREAT with the C90/4000x. You just plug it > > into the Unilink bus and it shows up like a MD Changer with 150 or so > > "discs", each one being a XM Radio station. > > > > There are a fair number XT-XM1's on EBay right now. Slick, clean > > installation. I've heard that Sony has discontinued them. > > > > That being said, about to come out (end of July) is a new version of the >XM > > Radio for the Unilink bus (I don't think its made by Sony). Its a little > > different in that there is the basic Radio for $99 then you have to buy >the > > correct "interface module" for it for another $50. They will have > > interface modules for Alpine and Sony. Check out www.crutchfield.com for > > details. > > > > Matt > > > > PS - I LOVE my XT-XM1 XM Radio receivers with my Sony C90. Awesome. > > > > > > At 11:00 PM 6/23/2004 Wednesday, you wrote: > > > > > > >Ok, so are there any 100% compatible XM radio options for the c90/4000x > > >combo? If so great, what are they, if not, what are our other options and > > >their drawbacks, how well can it be integrated? I've been thinking of >maybe > > >taking a look at the XM offerings out there, but I'm nowhere near ready >to > > >rid myself of my 4000x... > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > > > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: XDP-210EQ Relay on Remote problem...
Date: Jun 24, 2004
>From: "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Relay on Remote problem... >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:44:30 +0100 > ><colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk> > >I'd imagine from what your saying there is something wrong with the >relay. > >Does the light come on in the 210 when there is no live connceted to the >relay? > Yeah your first thought was my first as well, so I tried another relay--unfortunately the result was the same :( The power light comes on, on the 210EQ as soon as you connect one side of the coil to the remote output on the 210EQ and the other side of the coil to ground. (Coil pins are 85 and 86, it doesn't matter if I reverse the sides connected to remote and ground either.) If you remove the ground from the other side of the coil the light goes out; or if you remove the remote from the other side the light goes out as well. And yes the HU is off, the ignition is off, so it isn't that. I don't get it really... It doesn't happen when directly connected to the amps but it does once a relay coil is connected to it. It's like the light comes on to tell you you've wired something wrong, like an error message. I don't understand what could be wrong with connecting the (dead-when-off) remote terminal to one side and ground to the other side. When the remote powers up to 12V when the system is on it should activate the coil and therefore make 87 continuous with 30. And there shouldn't be any side effects. I wonder if the remote terminal is really going to ground or 0V when the XDP turns off? I didn't try to measure the voltage but that's a thought. Though I still don't see why/how the power light would come on in connecting it across a relay coil... Roland M. >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland M >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: XDP4000X-List: XDP-210EQ Relay on Remote problem... > > >Recently I was doing some rewiring in my car, replacing my old alarm >with a >new one and doing a few other things since the weather is nice now :) > >Anyway I was always running my remote from my head unit using a relay on >the >remote wire since I'm running two amplifiers and an active electronic >crossover (for bi-amping my components) and I thought using the relay is > >just cheap insurance plus it allows me to add other amps without any >worry. > >Well I decided to do away with the wire going from the HU to the back >and >simply run the remote from the XDP unit's remote terminal. Again I >decided >that a relay would be a good idea on the remote line, just-in-case. >But I >had something very strange occur when I tried to use the relay on the >XDP's >remote terminal. > >Connecting one side of the coil to ground and the other side to the >remote >terminal would instantly cause the green POWER indicator light on the >XDP to >come on, and stay on, at about half its normal brightness. It's as if >it >were giving me a "signal" that I wired something incorrectly. Removing >the >relay and simply connecting the remote wire directly did not cause this. > >I find this to be very strange behaviour since I don't think there is >any >reason to be doing this. I even tried using a diode across the coil of >the >relay as is sometimes required but it still did the same thing, the >light on >the XDP comes on. > >Has anyone else encountered this on either a 210EQ or a 4000X or know >what's >going on (or what I'm doing wrong)? It seems to be holding up without >the >relay as of right now but with a 300mA limit on the remote output on the >XDP >I'm guessing if I add anything else I'm going to have to go off the HU's > >remote line, to be safe? > >For reference, all I'm doing is connecting a regular SPDT relay with one > >side of the coil (85) to the remote terminal on the XDP, the other side >(86) >to ground, the output pin (30) to the amps&xover, and finally pin (87) >to >+12V. It doesn't matter if I wire the whole thing up or not; as soon as > >+I >connect one side of the coil to ground and the other side to the remote >terminal the power light turns on... > >Roland M. > >Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to >win >a trip to NY >http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/ >01/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XM options?
Date: Jun 24, 2004
> >Since the XM tuner would be connected via analog rca cable, will the >unilink >bus system be smart enough to differentiate which component uses optical, >and which is running analog? > > Yep, it certainly is! :) The UniLink bus determines whether to use the digital or analog input(s) by the "output mode" state the changer or HU is set to. For a unit with digital output it is determined by the changing of the switch on the unit from Analog to Digital (on the C90 the "switch" is a software one, in the menu). On changers and HUs and other devices that have only analog output the "output mode" is permanently set to Analog. Roland M. MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SQXPERT
Date: Jun 24, 2004
> > >In a message dated 6/22/04 6:23:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dabrow(at)orange.net writes: > >Hi all, > >I have been trying to contact sqxpert on the list because I bought an >xdp-4000x from him. It was advertised on this list ages back. > >Does anyone know him or have any contact details as I can't get hold of >him at the moment (believe me, I have tried). > >Thanks guys, > >Pete > > Hopefully you at least *received* the 4000X (if it was paid for)??? Or is it an after-sale issue or just that he never got around to selling it to you? MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XM options?
Date: Jun 24, 2004
> >There are a fair number XT-XM1's on EBay right now. Slick, clean >installation. I've heard that Sony has discontinued them. > >That being said, about to come out (end of July) is a new version of the XM >Radio for the Unilink bus (I don't think its made by Sony). > >Matt > Interesting that Sony has discontinued the XM1 tuner... Because aren't they still touting "XM Ready" on their latest HU offerings??? How exactly are they supposed to be "ready" to use an XM tuner, if a compatible one is not available?!?! Kinda nifty that a 3rd party company is making one, and with interfaces for different brands; but really should Sony actually have an XM tuner for sale if they say their HUs are "XM Ready"? Or do the new HUs no longer state they are "XM Ready"? Does the 3rd party tuner have a UniLink pass-through on its interface? (I believe the XM1 does, correct?) If not that will mean using an MCA if you also want to use a changer with it... Not a big deal if you're already using one with a port free but if you just have one changer and want to add XM the pass-through becomes an important feature. Roland M. From will you? to I do, MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 25, 2004
From: Pete <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: SQXPERT
He (sqxpert, Tim) allegedly sent the xdp-4k to me twice, however both times it never arrived, each time he claimed it was returned to sender (him). We then arranged for it to be delivered within the USA (I am in the UK) to another member of this list, he has also received things for me before. Tim (sqxpert) said he posted it but never forwarded a tracking number. It has not been received to this day and now he is not replying. I requested it to be insured within the US to save any problems. It has been going on since Christmas! I wondered if anyone knew him because he seamed an okay guy. Pete RE: Hopefully you at least *received* the 4000X (if it was paid for)??? Or is it an after-sale issue or just that he never got around to selling it to you? --- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: SQXPERT
Date: Jun 24, 2004
> >He (sqxpert, Tim) allegedly sent the xdp-4k to me twice, however both >times it never arrived, each time he claimed it was returned to sender >(him). We then arranged for it to be delivered within the USA (I am in >the UK) to another member of this list, he has also received things for >me before. Tim (sqxpert) said he posted it but never forwarded a >tracking number. It has not been received to this day and now he is not >replying. I requested it to be insured within the US to save any >problems. > >It has been going on since Christmas! I wondered if anyone knew him >because he seamed an okay guy. > >Pete > I hate to say it but if this has been going on since December and at this point he is no longer in contact with you, it sounds like he is a scammer :( I don't want to give a bad name to the guy right away but from the sounds of it, it is very likely that he is a scam artist, especially if he already has your cash. It really sucks when people do this, particularly if they come on here and make the list look bad as well. Do you have his name and address? Also how did you pay for it? (I hope you didn't lose too much money... ) If you you paid via an electronic service you can try to go through any fraud prevention stuff they have to offer and see if that does anything in the way of getting your money back, assuming you sent money that is. (Unfortunately many times it does not help, but you never know until you check it out.) If you sent the money via a money order and it was handled by the USPS (United States Postal Service--i.e. "regular" mail in the US) then you can (and should) file a Mail Fraud report with the appropriate section of US government--you can find out about it on www.usps.com I'm sure. If you didn't send any money yet just consider yourself lucky and forget about it; but I doubt you'd really be trying to track him down if you didn't send any money. If you have his name and address I would post it here and in the classified feedback sections of other car audio websites, along with any aliases/screennames he has used like "SQXPERT". Someone may know him or may have been scammed by him before--scam artists almost never "only do it once", it is usually an ongoing thing with such ppl. While it may not necessarily get you anything recovered, informing other ppl of a guy like this could at least save someone else from the same fate from the same scammer. From will you? to I do, MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 25, 2004
From: Christof Gommers <christof.gommers(at)easynet.be>
Subject: Re: SQXPERT
If I buy something expensive in the US (I'm also from Europe) I always pay via http://www.escrow.com You pay a bit more but you can be sure you receive what you paid for. Christof. Pete wrote: > > He (sqxpert, Tim) allegedly sent the xdp-4k to me twice, however both > times it never arrived, each time he claimed it was returned to sender > (him). We then arranged for it to be delivered within the USA (I am in > the UK) to another member of this list, he has also received things for > me before. Tim (sqxpert) said he posted it but never forwarded a > tracking number. It has not been received to this day and now he is not > replying. I requested it to be insured within the US to save any > problems. > > It has been going on since Christmas! I wondered if anyone knew him > because he seamed an okay guy. > > Pete ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 25, 2004
Subject: Re: SQXPERT
In a message dated 6/24/04 9:24:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dabrow(at)orange.net writes: He (sqxpert, Tim) allegedly sent the xdp-4k to me twice, however both times it never arrived, each time he claimed it was returned to sender (him). We then arranged for it to be delivered within the USA (I am in the UK) to another member of this list, he has also received things for me before. Tim (sqxpert) said he posted it but never forwarded a tracking number. It has not been received to this day and now he is not replying. I requested it to be insured within the US to save any problems. It has been going on since Christmas! I wondered if anyone knew him because he seamed an okay guy. Pete Pete, i just got off the phone with him. He seemed shocked that i still didn't get it yet. (Pete had it sent to me for those who don't know). He said he emailed me to let me know to call him by Friday (today) but i told him i never got the email. But needless to say, he said he would check on this today. He was at the shop so he didn't have the tracking # or anything handy but he assured me he would get it at home and then go to the post office himself and check on it and call me back by about 7pm tonight...... so lets keep our fingers crossed................................... I'ts only been what, 7 months???? ;) Sorry Pete, i'm tryin tho :) Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: XM options?
Date: Jun 25, 2004
How is the sound quality on this particular unit. I'm quite new to XM radio as a whole, should I expect it to sound similar to cd's I play through my system or is there going to be obvious quality differences? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XM options? > > > > >There are a fair number XT-XM1's on EBay right now. Slick, clean > >installation. I've heard that Sony has discontinued them. > > > >That being said, about to come out (end of July) is a new version of the XM > >Radio for the Unilink bus (I don't think its made by Sony). > > > >Matt > > > > Interesting that Sony has discontinued the XM1 tuner... Because aren't they > still touting "XM Ready" on their latest HU offerings??? How exactly are > they supposed to be "ready" to use an XM tuner, if a compatible one is not > available?!?! > > Kinda nifty that a 3rd party company is making one, and with interfaces for > different brands; but really should Sony actually have an XM tuner for sale > if they say their HUs are "XM Ready"? Or do the new HUs no longer state > they are "XM Ready"? > > Does the 3rd party tuner have a UniLink pass-through on its interface? (I > believe the XM1 does, correct?) If not that will mean using an MCA if you > also want to use a changer with it... Not a big deal if you're already > using one with a port free but if you just have one changer and want to add > XM the pass-through becomes an important feature. > > Roland M. > > From will you? to I do, MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting > Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 26, 2004
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: XM options?
Excellent. Not quite as good as a CD or MP3, but close. Good enough for a car environment. How can you beat 100 ad-free channels for 10 bucks a month...? Its awesome. Matt At 07:10 PM 6/25/2004 Friday, you wrote: > >How is the sound quality on this particular unit. I'm quite new to XM radio >as a whole, should I expect it to sound similar to cd's I play through my >system or is there going to be obvious quality differences? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> >To: >Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: XM options? > > > > > > > > > >There are a fair number XT-XM1's on EBay right now. Slick, clean > > >installation. I've heard that Sony has discontinued them. > > > > > >That being said, about to come out (end of July) is a new version of the >XM > > >Radio for the Unilink bus (I don't think its made by Sony). > > > > > >Matt > > > > > > > Interesting that Sony has discontinued the XM1 tuner... Because aren't >they > > still touting "XM Ready" on their latest HU offerings??? How exactly are > > they supposed to be "ready" to use an XM tuner, if a compatible one is not > > available?!?! > > > > Kinda nifty that a 3rd party company is making one, and with interfaces >for > > different brands; but really should Sony actually have an XM tuner for >sale > > if they say their HUs are "XM Ready"? Or do the new HUs no longer state > > they are "XM Ready"? > > > > Does the 3rd party tuner have a UniLink pass-through on its interface? (I > > believe the XM1 does, correct?) If not that will mean using an MCA if you > > also want to use a changer with it... Not a big deal if you're already > > using one with a port free but if you just have one changer and want to >add > > XM the pass-through becomes an important feature. > > > > Roland M. > > > > From will you? to I do, MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting > > Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married > > > > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Henry Faison" <hfaison(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: For Sale: C-90 and 4000X
Date: Jul 02, 2004
I am the original owner and have all boxes, manuals, and remotes. The units are in excellent condition. I am asking $950.00 + shipping for the C-90 and 4000X, I also have an 848X 10 disc Changer $250.00 + shipping. Email hfaison(at)nc.rr.com for pictures or questions. Thank you, Henry Faison ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2004
From: Pete <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: Sony Changers - Custom File
Does anyone know how to delete the Sony custom file memory in the changers, particularly the xes-c1, the cdx-c91 and the cdx-828? In the case of 2twoof these changers the memories are full. Thanks, Pete --- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2004
From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sony Changers - Custom File
I thought that all you had to do is unplug them (remove power from unit) and the memory would just wipe itself clean. Does anyone know how to delete the Sony custom file memory in the changers, particularly the xes-c1, the cdx-c91 and the cdx-828? In the case of 2twoof these changers the memories are full. Thanks, Pete --- --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Laird" <mark_laird(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Sony Changers - Custom File
Date: Jul 15, 2004
Did you try hitting the reset button on the C90 with the changer hooked up? Does anyone know how to delete the Sony custom file memory in the changers, particularly the xes-c1, the cdx-c91 and the cdx-828? In the case of 2twoof these changers the memories are full. Thanks, Pete --- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2004
From: Pete <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: Sony Changers - Custom File
Tried reset, didn't work. Powering down makes no difference, it stores it. I have a feeling it might not be able to be erased, easily anyway. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Laird Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony Changers - Custom File Did you try hitting the reset button on the C90 with the changer hooked up? Does anyone know how to delete the Sony custom file memory in the changers, particularly the xes-c1, the cdx-c91 and the cdx-828? In the case of 2twoof these changers the memories are full. Thanks, Pete --- --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. --- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Doug Dobson" <DougDobson(at)chartermi.net>
Subject: Sony Changers - Custom File
Date: Jul 15, 2004
If I'm not mistaken all you really need to do is erase the disc title. Access this by holding the list button and you should have the option of "name erase mode". Then you flip through to the disc you want to remove and select it. That is how it works on the XES systems and if I remember on the regular equipment as well. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Subject: XDP4000X-List: Sony Changers - Custom File Does anyone know how to delete the Sony custom file memory in the changers, particularly the xes-c1, the cdx-c91 and the cdx-828? In the case of 2twoof these changers the memories are full. Thanks, Pete --- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2004
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Sony Changers - Custom File
Hum, I thought that the CF memory was a fifo or sorts, where it would store up to 100 disc titles. When the memory was full, the first in was deleted and the new song was added... Matt At 07:09 AM 7/15/2004 Thursday, you wrote: > >Tried reset, didn't work. Powering down makes no difference, it stores >it. I have a feeling it might not be able to be erased, easily anyway. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark >Laird >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Sony Changers - Custom File > > > >Did you try hitting the reset button on the C90 with the changer hooked >up? > > >Does anyone know how to delete the Sony custom file memory in the >changers, particularly the xes-c1, the cdx-c91 and the cdx-828? In the >case of 2twoof these changers the memories are full. > >Thanks, > >Pete > >--- > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >--- > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2004
Subject: Re: Sony Changers - Custom File
In a message dated 7/15/04 1:02:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dralle(at)matronics.com writes: Hum, I thought that the CF memory was a fifo or sorts, where it would store up to 100 disc titles. When the memory was full, the first in was deleted and the new song was added... Matt Exactly...... :) Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2004
From: Pete <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: Sony Changers - Custom File
Fixed, thanks guys. It was for the XES, had to press list and hold for 2 seconds then list again along with number 9 on the remote to wipe names. A bit more complicated on the older stuff it seams. Pete --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. --- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Sony Changers - Custom File
Date: Jul 19, 2004
> >Fixed, thanks guys. It was for the XES, had to press list and hold for 2 >seconds then list again along with number 9 on the remote to wipe names. >A bit more complicated on the older stuff it seams. > >Pete Actually I don't know that it is any different on non-XES stuff. In fact I didn't know there was a way to do a one-step delete for Custom File at all. As for the FIFO theory, that isn't how Custom File works... Well at least not according to every Sony manual I've seen. I've never actually hit the 220 disc limit I have with 2 changers (each changer gives you 110 discs and memory is shared over UniLink so it doesn't matter what changer you put a disc in once programmed; you guys with 4-5 changers you've got a half-thousand or more available spots in memory!). When you hit the limit, according to the Sony manuals at least, it will display "FULL" on the HU's display--it won't bump off the first disc programmed. Removing power and pressing reset won't do it either (thank goodness or I'd have lost my disc memory many times by now!). To delete titles on most UniLink HUs you're supposed to hold down LIST until the text entry comes up and then hold down DISP until it switches to CustomFile review mode in which you can view/scroll through ALL of the changer's entries (the changer you happen to be controlling at the moment). You can either delete the titles by programming them to all blanks or pressing and holding a button when you are viewing the DiscMemo you want to delete--can't remember which button to press but it is in most user manuals... I don't know if the LIST + 9 trick works on regular units but I would imagine Sony would have had to made some method for techs to do it in the shop. The only time I've ever seen CustomFile erased entirely was when I sent a changer in for repair to Sony once. When I got it back from them, the entire CustomFile memory was erased. Not a big deal because I didn't have many entries in that changer but a caution for ppl that ever have to get a changer repaired--you may want to include a note asking them not to erase the custom file, if at all possible! All that said, I think its kinda cool that the Custom File memory stays there all the time. When you buy a "new" but used changer from someone you can see all the CDs they listened to before you--if they programmed any of them, that is. I was actually surprised that when I bought my T60 changer off a guy that hadn't used it in years he had a lot of the same CDs I had/listened to the same type of music. I realised it when I had some discs in the T60 that I already programmed into the 828 and when I put them in the T60 the titles in there overrode the ones from the 828 since they were in the T60 and names were already there for those CDs. Curious I took a "trip" through the CustomFile memory, just out of interest. Anybody that has a used changer might want to take a look... :) Roland M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mr. Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: New DRZ9255
Date: Jul 20, 2004
I bought one. I thouht I'd share some pictures with everyone. http://www.dremgragen.com/images/DRZ9255/ The install picture is a temporary setup I made to do A/B comparison with the new 9255 and my current Sony C90/4000X setup. -Brody Z. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2004
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: New DRZ9255
Hum, looks interesting. Be sure to keep us posted on what you think of the performance esp. compared to the C90/4k. Matt At 12:26 AM 7/20/2004 Tuesday, you wrote: > >I bought one. I thouht I'd share some pictures with everyone. > >http://www.dremgragen.com/images/DRZ9255/ > >The install picture is a temporary setup I made to do A/B comparison with >the new 9255 and my current Sony C90/4000X setup. > >-Brody Z. > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2004
From: Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New DRZ9255
YES - Do PLEASE keep us updated on your exerience. That Clarion looks nice, and the Clarion Pro-Audio stuff has always been in the back of my mind for when the lovely C90/XDP4K will one day bite the dust (a sad day it will be - but Sony WON'T give us a current replacement). But, maybe you will actually be able to READ the display in daylight ;) Does this unit "upconvert" 44.1K CD's to 96K, and then to the D/A conversion? I have always been skeptical of the true advantages - but I believe this gets the "Brickwall Filter" WAY out of audible range (a good thing). Let us know how the time correction and EQ compares - and of course the crossover (the XDP's X-Over is gonna be a hard one to beat! - Minus lack of flexibility) -- Randy V. Houston, TX Audiphile/Musician/Crazy Guy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Uncle Comfort" <unclecomfort(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Speaker choice and crossover pt
Date: Aug 02, 2004
Folks, Just want to find out what diy speaker you use with the xdp-4k? (Scanspeak, vifa, seas,cdt) and achieve good result? It can e 2-way or 3 way but must be active. Also what crossover point you use for the speaker? Rgd ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 02, 2004
From: Pete <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: Speaker choice and crossover pt
www.morelusa.com Poor site, great product. For car use, I would have them over the scans, or seas any day. I prefer dyns to scans and seas too. For example, I have a set of cdt eurosport kicking about - vifa mg series they are nothing in comparison. Compared with id mid bass, again nothing. Better than any rainbow, phoenix gold, JL I have heard. The seas did not sound good in the door past 100hz, just not my cup of tea. The scan woofers are not waterproof for door mount unless you buy genesis offerings at what is a rip off. The Renaissance drivers feature in a top scoring sq vehicle. Approx. 360-370 points last time out in IASCA UK street x, that would take 1st place anywhere in the world I believe. Cr103 or better tweet - by no means is their smallest tweet a bad tweet! (if you can get the 101se in on axis I'd use that one or triumph) 5khz+ Mr-56 soft dome mid : 500-5khz. The home version of this driver is used in a $64,000 speaker - read into that what you wish, can be digested in many ways. Wr-6/8 woofer : 78-500hz IB in the door. Double magnet woofer, 3" voice coils, has the ability to play higher if you go 2 way and can take more power thanks to hexatech voic coils. A 2 way wr-6 + tweet crossed at 4khz will also work well. These drivers fit the car environment very well. If you cannot get them to sound right, you are doing something wrong, i.e. wrong application/positioning or not enough quality power. If you use these drivers you will need quality power. What amps do you have/plan to have? Any subwoofer preferences? HTH Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle Comfort Subject: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt Folks, Just want to find out what diy speaker you use with the xdp-4k? (Scanspeak, vifa, seas,cdt) and achieve good result? It can e 2-way or 3 way but must be active. Also what crossover point you use for the speaker? Rgd --- --- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Uncle Comfort" <unclecomfort(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt
Date: Aug 03, 2004
tweet is 2x125 from PPI PCX 4125. Amp to mid is 2x320 from PPI PCX 480 bridge. Cannot get the sound I like. very fustrated... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt > > www.morelusa.com > > Poor site, great product. For car use, I would have them over the scans, > or seas any day. I prefer dyns to scans and seas too. For example, I > have a set of cdt eurosport kicking about - vifa mg series they are > nothing in comparison. Compared with id mid bass, again nothing. Better > than any rainbow, phoenix gold, JL I have heard. The seas did not sound > good in the door past 100hz, just not my cup of tea. The scan woofers > are not waterproof for door mount unless you buy genesis offerings at > what is a rip off. > > The Renaissance drivers feature in a top scoring sq vehicle. Approx. > 360-370 points last time out in IASCA UK street x, that would take 1st > place anywhere in the world I believe. > > Cr103 or better tweet - by no means is their smallest tweet a bad tweet! > (if you can get the 101se in on axis I'd use that one or triumph) 5khz+ > > Mr-56 soft dome mid : 500-5khz. The home version of this driver is used > in a $64,000 speaker - read into that what you wish, can be digested in > many ways. > > Wr-6/8 woofer : 78-500hz IB in the door. Double magnet woofer, 3" voice > coils, has the ability to play higher if you go 2 way and can take more > power thanks to hexatech voic coils. > > A 2 way wr-6 + tweet crossed at 4khz will also work well. > > These drivers fit the car environment very well. If you cannot get them > to sound right, you are doing something wrong, i.e. wrong > application/positioning or not enough quality power. > > If you use these drivers you will need quality power. What amps do you > have/plan to have? Any subwoofer preferences? > > HTH > > Pete > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle > Comfort > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt > > > > Folks, > > Just want to find out what diy speaker you use with the xdp-4k? > (Scanspeak, > vifa, seas,cdt) and achieve good result? It can e 2-way or 3 way but > must be > active. > > Also what crossover point you use for the speaker? > > Rgd > > > --- > > > --- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 02, 2004
From: Pete <dabrow(at)orange.net>
Subject: Speaker choice and crossover pt
What are your speaker positions/angles? What car is it? If it is a USA only type car, give me a good guide :) Dont the cdt's use a steep x-over normally like 72db octave? They make a lot of noise about the passive they use too. Do you have the mids IB in the door, with a good seal/gasket? Plenty of good quality power there for either dynaudio/Morel USA - Renaissance. The cdts ARE good speakers for most users, comparatively they are good for plug and play in standard locations. They are not in the same league as the source units you are using imho. Before you change work out why these drivers are not doing what you want. Don't bother looking at marketing rubbish either from certain brands. The companies that make the best tend to market less in car audio. Most of their time is spent on making things better. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle Comfort Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt Amp to tweet is 2x125 from PPI PCX 4125. Amp to mid is 2x320 from PPI PCX 480 bridge. Cannot get the sound I like. very fustrated... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt > > www.morelusa.com > > Poor site, great product. For car use, I would have them over the scans, > or seas any day. I prefer dyns to scans and seas too. For example, I > have a set of cdt eurosport kicking about - vifa mg series they are > nothing in comparison. Compared with id mid bass, again nothing. Better > than any rainbow, phoenix gold, JL I have heard. The seas did not sound > good in the door past 100hz, just not my cup of tea. The scan woofers > are not waterproof for door mount unless you buy genesis offerings at > what is a rip off. > > The Renaissance drivers feature in a top scoring sq vehicle. Approx. > 360-370 points last time out in IASCA UK street x, that would take 1st > place anywhere in the world I believe. > > Cr103 or better tweet - by no means is their smallest tweet a bad tweet! > (if you can get the 101se in on axis I'd use that one or triumph) 5khz+ > > Mr-56 soft dome mid : 500-5khz. The home version of this driver is used > in a $64,000 speaker - read into that what you wish, can be digested in > many ways. > > Wr-6/8 woofer : 78-500hz IB in the door. Double magnet woofer, 3" voice > coils, has the ability to play higher if you go 2 way and can take more > power thanks to hexatech voic coils. > > A 2 way wr-6 + tweet crossed at 4khz will also work well. > > These drivers fit the car environment very well. If you cannot get them > to sound right, you are doing something wrong, i.e. wrong > application/positioning or not enough quality power. > > If you use these drivers you will need quality power. What amps do you > have/plan to have? Any subwoofer preferences? > > HTH > > Pete > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle > Comfort > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt > > > > Folks, > > Just want to find out what diy speaker you use with the xdp-4k? > (Scanspeak, > vifa, seas,cdt) and achieve good result? It can e 2-way or 3 way but > must be > active. > > Also what crossover point you use for the speaker? > > Rgd > > > --- > > > --- > > --- --- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 02, 2004
Subject: Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt
In a message dated 8/2/04 12:52:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dabrow(at)orange.net writes: Poor site, great product. For car use, I would have them over the scans, or seas any day. I prefer dyns to scans and seas too. For example, I have a set of cdt eurosport kicking about - vifa mg series they are nothing in comparison. Compared with id mid bass, again nothing. Better than any rainbow, phoenix gold, JL I have heard. The seas did not sound good in the door past 100hz, just not my cup of tea. The scan woofers are not waterproof for door mount unless you buy genesis offerings at what is a rip off. The Renaissance drivers feature in a top scoring sq vehicle. Approx. 360-370 points last time out in IASCA UK street x, that would take 1st place anywhere in the world I believe. Cr103 or better tweet - by no means is their smallest tweet a bad tweet! (if you can get the 101se in on axis I'd use that one or triumph) 5khz+ Mr-56 soft dome mid : 500-5khz. The home version of this driver is used in a $64,000 speaker - read into that what you wish, can be digested in many ways. Wr-6/8 woofer : 78-500hz IB in the door. Double magnet woofer, 3" voice coils, has the ability to play higher if you go 2 way and can take more power thanks to hexatech voic coils. A 2 way wr-6 + tweet crossed at 4khz will also work well. These drivers fit the car environment very well. If you cannot get them to sound right, you are doing something wrong, i.e. wrong application/positioning or not enough quality power. If you use these drivers you will need quality power. What amps do you have/plan to have? Any subwoofer preferences? HTH Pete Are those the Drivers made in Israel???????????? ;) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Uncle Comfort" <unclecomfort(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Speaker choice and crossover pt
Date: Aug 03, 2004
Hi Pete, MID/MIDBASS is in door stock location with dynamat extreme, tweet is at a pillar pointing at each other but slightly angled toward the windscreen. Using 78hz 72db-5k 24dp for mid and 5k 24db for tweet. Sub is IDMAX at 78hz with 36db slope ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt > > What are your speaker positions/angles? What car is it? If it is a USA > only type car, give me a good guide :) > > Dont the cdt's use a steep x-over normally like 72db octave? They make > a lot of noise about the passive they use too. > > Do you have the mids IB in the door, with a good seal/gasket? > > Plenty of good quality power there for either dynaudio/Morel USA - > Renaissance. The cdts ARE good speakers for most users, comparatively > they are good for plug and play in standard locations. They are not in > the same league as the source units you are using imho. Before you > change work out why these drivers are not doing what you want. Don't > bother looking at marketing rubbish either from certain brands. The > companies that make the best tend to market less in car audio. Most of > their time is spent on making things better. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle > Comfort > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt > > > > Amp to > tweet is 2x125 from PPI PCX 4125. Amp to mid is 2x320 from PPI PCX 480 > bridge. Cannot get the sound I like. very fustrated... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete" <dabrow(at)orange.net> > To: > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt > > > > > > www.morelusa.com > > > > Poor site, great product. For car use, I would have them over the > scans, > > or seas any day. I prefer dyns to scans and seas too. For example, I > > have a set of cdt eurosport kicking about - vifa mg series they are > > nothing in comparison. Compared with id mid bass, again nothing. > Better > > than any rainbow, phoenix gold, JL I have heard. The seas did not > sound > > good in the door past 100hz, just not my cup of tea. The scan woofers > > are not waterproof for door mount unless you buy genesis offerings at > > what is a rip off. > > > > The Renaissance drivers feature in a top scoring sq vehicle. Approx. > > 360-370 points last time out in IASCA UK street x, that would take 1st > > place anywhere in the world I believe. > > > > Cr103 or better tweet - by no means is their smallest tweet a bad > tweet! > > (if you can get the 101se in on axis I'd use that one or triumph) > 5khz+ > > > > Mr-56 soft dome mid : 500-5khz. The home version of this driver is > used > > in a $64,000 speaker - read into that what you wish, can be digested > in > > many ways. > > > > Wr-6/8 woofer : 78-500hz IB in the door. Double magnet woofer, 3" > voice > > coils, has the ability to play higher if you go 2 way and can take > more > > power thanks to hexatech voic coils. > > > > A 2 way wr-6 + tweet crossed at 4khz will also work well. > > > > These drivers fit the car environment very well. If you cannot get > them > > to sound right, you are doing something wrong, i.e. wrong > > application/positioning or not enough quality power. > > > > If you use these drivers you will need quality power. What amps do you > > have/plan to have? Any subwoofer preferences? > > > > HTH > > > > Pete > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Uncle > > Comfort > > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: XDP4000X-List: Speaker choice and crossover pt > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > Just want to find out what diy speaker you use with the xdp-4k? > > (Scanspeak, > > vifa, seas,cdt) and achieve good result? It can e 2-way or 3 way but > > must be > > active. > > > > Also what crossover point you use for the speaker? > > > > Rgd > > > > > > --- > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > --- > > > --- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2004
From: Implicit <implicit(at)cqmail.net>
Subject: Sony XES P1,X1,T1,C1
I've decided I'm going to have to let go of some of my audio gear I've had in storage that's been awaiting a new vehicle. One of the things that might be of interest to the audiophiles on this list would be my Sony XES P1, X1, T1, and C1. I am the original owner of all the units and they were installed in a show vehicle for about 6 months only. Each unit is in mint condition and barely used. I have all original cables, manuals, boxes, packing material, etc.... you're probably not going to ever find a system of this vintage in this new of condition. Would anyone be interested in this system...? I thought I would shop it around to like minded people before putting it on eBay. matt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 03, 2004
Subject: Re: Sony XES P1,X1,T1,C1
In a message dated 8/3/2004 10:08:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, implicit(at)cqmail.net writes: I've decided I'm going to have to let go of some of my audio gear I've had in storage that's been awaiting a new vehicle. One of the things that might be of interest to the audiophiles on this list would be my Sony XES P1, X1, T1, and C1. I am the original owner of all the units and they were installed in a show vehicle for about 6 months only. Each unit is in mint condition and barely used. I have all original cables, manuals, boxes, packing material, etc.... you're probably not going to ever find a system of this vintage in this new of condition. Would anyone be interested in this system...? I thought I would shop it around to like minded people before putting it on eBay. matt What were you looking to get for it? Thanks. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2004
From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sony XES P1,X1,T1,C1
what are you trying to get for it Implicit wrote: I've decided I'm going to have to let go of some of my audio gear I've had in storage that's been awaiting a new vehicle. One of the things that might be of interest to the audiophiles on this list would be my Sony XES P1, X1, T1, and C1. I am the original owner of all the units and they were installed in a show vehicle for about 6 months only. Each unit is in mint condition and barely used. I have all original cables, manuals, boxes, packing material, etc.... you're probably not going to ever find a system of this vintage in this new of condition. Would anyone be interested in this system...? I thought I would shop it around to like minded people before putting it on eBay. matt --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Woudsma, Mark" <csmcgrn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 4000x on ebay
Date: Aug 03, 2004
Found this 4000x on ebay. NOT mine. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5713173520 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2004
From: Implicit <implicit(at)cqmail.net>
Subject: Re: Sony XES P1,X1,T1,C1
Private emails sent to those who responded to the list. thanks, matt ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 11, 2004
From: "Jim Hunton" <Jimh(at)ntgi.com>
Subject: Dark lines in C90 display
I have several vertical dark lines in the display of my C90. Is there a fix for this or is my display dying? Thanks, Jim Jim Hunton The Network Technology Group, Inc. San Jose, San Francisco (408)494-0301 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2004
Subject: Midbass drivers and general questions.
Hey all........ The system is changing again once and for all!!! (famous last words) Some of this relates to around april of last year where Randy and i kinda talked a bit about these Vifa drivers..... They are 8.75" Drivers out of the Mackie HR824 studio monitors..... He turned me onto the eBay seller i think and anyway, i have 4 of these drivers...... The OEM Vifa Part # is 490-001-00. My installer friend tells me there's no way to get one in each door let alone both...... But i can be determined at times..... (no comments from you Pete!!) and i must find a way!!! Basically my setup will be like this: Tweets B&G Neo3PDR Planar Ribbon tweets from 6.3k up....... Mids: DLS IR3" Dome Midrange i would like to play from 315hz up or worst case 500hz up... Midbass: still up in the air, but i would love to make a pair of these 8's in each door :) playing from i guess 78hz up to either 300hz or 500hz........ Sub: Well, this is probably not too appropriate here, but it is a Prototype 15" i got from TC Sounds...... (again, no comments Pete!!!!) It was supposed to be the next Audiomobile MASS 3000 series sub before Matt Overpeck ruined his shortlived company....... I still have the MASS 2012's though..... Home Theater duty... incredible driver.... Needless to say, it is a huge sub..... and of course it will be sealed and playing from 78hz down...... i hope it is very tight and has some extreme low frequency extension...... I know it will already be too loud.... but that can be fixed :) Amps i have for use on the front stage are either my A/D/S PQ 20's or my P4100's.... I have 2 of each...... I love the PQ 20's which are 80 X 4 and the P4100's are 100 X 4..... the PQ 20's have no xovers, the P4100's do....... I may get my hands on an older A/D/S Crossover also to help with the 315hz crossover points or i can just use the 500hz off of the XDP.. The sub amp...... Well, that'll be a JBL BPX2200.1 (you know, one of the Crown enginneerd ones that probably again, isn't appropriate here (right Pete??) lol....... Basically, my installer friend says it would be best to use a pair of 6.5's in each door which would be alot easier to only mold the bottom half of the door panel...... I have looked, but don't think there are any 6.5's that can do this job....... I was wondering what you guys think on this...... Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.......... Thanks. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2004
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Dark lines in C90 display
Yeah, mine started doing that a month or so ago. The problem is the interface strip between the PC board and the LCD display. Its this little, wiggly, strip made up of alternating carbon/insulator/carbon/insulator/... I carefully disassembled my display unit and used some isopropyl alcohol on a quetip to clean the four contact areas (PC, LCD, two sides of the wiggly thing). Worked good. Matt At 12:24 PM 8/11/2004 Wednesday, you wrote: > >I have several vertical dark lines in the display of my C90. >Is there a fix for this or is my display dying? > >Thanks, > >Jim > >Jim Hunton >The Network Technology Group, Inc. >San Jose, San Francisco >(408)494-0301 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2004
From: Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Midbass drivers and general questions.
Hey Dan! I still have not completed my door panels for the Vifa 8.75" mid-bass. I am going to experiment with those B&G Planars (what a coincidence) - but try the Neo 8 PDR as a mid/tweet. I'm going to try and squeeze 500Hz out of them, and let them run all the way out to 20K. Considering the close proximity and good sensitivity, I think they might handle it. I'm going to try and fit them in the A-Pillars - as low as they will sit. Running those Vifa 8.75"s to 500Hz or so should not be an issue, as they are used as a true "woofer" in the 2-Way reference monitor they were designed for. I'm just worried about still having a sizable span from the Woofer at 500Hz in the door, to the mid/tweet about 2' or so away on the a-pillar. I may just do a small 4" cone mid down to 250Hz, and do a bi-amped 2-way 4"+1" pod on each a-pillar. I'll have to experiment, and see. That's the fun part IMO. IF you can track down those Vifa's, the model # on the driver is:490-001-00 ("703"?). A nice 4 Ohm driver FWIW. Enjoy, all... Randy V. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mr. Z" <dremgragen(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Bye bye C90/4000X
Date: Aug 16, 2004
So after having the Clarion DRZ9255 in my car for almost a month (two+ years of 4000X, two weeks of A/B with the 9255, and 1 week of exclusively 9255), I've concluded that the new 9255 is better than the 4000X. The main differences are: The Clarion has better high frequency reproduction. The 4000X sounds dark and less defined in the 10kHz+ range in comparison. The decay is faster with the Clarion which is either bad or good depending on listener preference. I like the slower decay myself, but my friend loved the faster. She said, "It makes the instruments feel more separate, making it easier to pinpoint their location." I kinda see her point, but still prefer the slower decay. After removing the 4000X and just having the 9255 I've decided it's not a big enough deal for me to continue complaining about; it sounds damn fine regardless. The Clarion saves space. The Clarion can be read during the day unlike the C90. The Clarion looks and feels sexier to use (completely subjective one there :) ). 9255 = the new hotness 4000X = oldie but goodie It's been fun, but I'm saying goodbye to my 4000X. -Brody Z. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2004
From: Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bye bye C90/4000X
Brody, Can you give your opinions on the EQ and Crossover functionality/sound? What are its limitations? What about the user interface - easy to navigate? No PC/Laptop requiremants must be a plus. I think I know what you mean with the "darker" sound of the Sony - I think of it as more of a "Smothness with detail" that is really hard to acheive without being harsh. I still have not heard a HU that touches the XDP4K on the "relaxed detail" of the highs. This clarion may be the one to do it, though. I know others have even said the Alpine F-1 setup is not as nice on the treble as the XDP4K (I'm not suprised). From "Bright" to "Harsh" is not a big stretch (Alpine), but "Smooth" will always be "Smooth" (XDP). Let us know on the Crossover and EQ... Randy V. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 23, 2004
Subject: Focal TN-46 Tweeters
Just wondering if anyone is interested in these. One was used temporarilly and the other should be unused. I had these from the 165EX Mistral line from a few years ago and had already had gotten a set of TN-51's to replace them.... these are the kevlar inverted dome tweets from their top of the line drivers before the Utopias came out..... I also have the 165mm drivers from this set as well..... I may keep the 4's though.... if anyone's interested, drop me a line :) Thanks. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Colin" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: Focal TN-46 Tweeters
Date: Aug 24, 2004
What sort of cash you looking for these? -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of NOTGSXR(at)aol.com Subject: XDP4000X-List: Focal TN-46 Tweeters Just wondering if anyone is interested in these. One was used temporarilly and the other should be unused. I had these from the 165EX Mistral line from a few years ago and had already had gotten a set of TN-51's to replace them.... these are the kevlar inverted dome tweets from their top of the line drivers before the Utopias came out..... I also have the 165mm drivers from this set as well..... I may keep the 4's though.... if anyone's interested, drop me a line :) Thanks. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Colin" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk>
Subject: Focal TN-46 Tweeters
Date: Aug 24, 2004
And I mean the tweeters and 165mm drivers -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: Focal TN-46 Tweeters What sort of cash you looking for these? -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of NOTGSXR(at)aol.com Subject: XDP4000X-List: Focal TN-46 Tweeters Just wondering if anyone is interested in these. One was used temporarilly and the other should be unused. I had these from the 165EX Mistral line from a few years ago and had already had gotten a set of TN-51's to replace them.... these are the kevlar inverted dome tweets from their top of the line drivers before the Utopias came out..... I also have the 165mm drivers from this set as well..... I may keep the 4's though.... if anyone's interested, drop me a line :) Thanks. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2004
From: Carl Renaghan <orudus(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: C90: Anyone Increase Display LEDs Brightness
I finally got a C90 and am now witness to the crappy faceplate illumination in daytime. This kinda stinx, cause I love most everything else about the deck. I want to pry this baby open and replace the LEDs and current resistors to see if I can make it brighter. Has anyone done this or similair? Is the display lit with LEDs behind it like most decks? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2004
From: Implicit <implicit(at)cqmail.net>
Subject: More Pics/Info on Sony XES System for sale
Due to the large number of emails I received from my original post, I have put more information/pictures online for the system: http://www.electrolife.com/sony-xes/ thanks, matt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: C90: Anyone Increase Display LEDs Brightness
Date: Sep 07, 2004
The main display on the C90 is a dot-matrix LCD, if I *think*. Because of this LEDs likely do not light the main display. Rather standard back/front lighting is probably used or it may use an EL (electroluminescient) backlight. I don't think there is much that can be done to improve the display. If possible, the best thing to do might be to make some kind of hood/shade around the HU to block out light. This may not be the easiest thing to do though and depending on where the HU sits in your car it might not be a viable solution, I suppose. I don't have a C90 but if I did I would probably try something like that to stop outside light from washing out the display... Roland M. >From: Carl Renaghan <orudus(at)yahoo.com> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: XDP4000X-List: C90: Anyone Increase Display LEDs Brightness >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:21:49 -0700 (PDT) > > >I finally got a C90 and am now witness to the crappy >faceplate illumination in daytime. This kinda stinx, >cause I love most everything else about the deck. I >want to pry this baby open and replace the LEDs and >current resistors to see if I can make it brighter. > >Has anyone done this or similair? Is the display lit >with LEDs behind it like most decks? > > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 07, 2004
From: Scott Thibault <tbone7467(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: C90: Anyone Increase Display LEDs Brightness
how do I o about getting my deck service through sony?? I need their number for an rma right?? M" The main display on the C90 is a dot-matrix LCD, if I *think*. Because of this LEDs likely do not light the main display. Rather standard back/front lighting is probably used or it may use an EL (electroluminescient) backlight. I don't think there is much that can be done to improve the display. If possible, the best thing to do might be to make some kind of hood/shade around the HU to block out light. This may not be the easiest thing to do though and depending on where the HU sits in your car it might not be a viable solution, I suppose. I don't have a C90 but if I did I would probably try something like that to stop outside light from washing out the display... Roland M. >From: Carl Renaghan >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: XDP4000X-List: C90: Anyone Increase Display LEDs Brightness >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:21:49 -0700 (PDT) > > >I finally got a C90 and am now witness to the crappy >faceplate illumination in daytime. This kinda stinx, >cause I love most everything else about the deck. I >want to pry this baby open and replace the LEDs and >current resistors to see if I can make it brighter. > >Has anyone done this or similair? Is the display lit >with LEDs behind it like most decks? > > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 07, 2004
From: Ethan <telmnstr(at)757.org>
Subject: C90: Anyone Increase Display LEDs Brightness
> The main display on the C90 is a dot-matrix LCD, if I *think*. Because of > this LEDs likely do not light the main display. Rather standard back/front > lighting is probably used or it may use an EL (electroluminescient) > backlight. > I don't think there is much that can be done to improve the display. If > possible, the best thing to do might be to make some kind of hood/shade > around the HU to block out light. This may not be the easiest thing to do > though and depending on where the HU sits in your car it might not be a > viable solution, I suppose. I don't have a C90 but if I did I would > probably try something like that to stop outside light from washing out the > display... > Roland M. You might be able to find surface mount, white, LEDs.... I own a MDX-C8900 and I feel your pain. During the day the thing is invisible. XT-40V helps though :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Kennedy" <dkenned1(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: C90: Anyone Increase Display LEDs Brightness
Date: Sep 07, 2004
This may be impossible. From what I understand, the LCD/TFT display that shows the text/source etc. is made by Sony in house. Its going to be difficult or impossible to replace it w/ one the same size & spec, and just as difficult to buy that one part to replace a defective one or to use in another project. David Kennedy -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ethan Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90: Anyone Increase Display LEDs Brightness > The main display on the C90 is a dot-matrix LCD, if I *think*. Because of > this LEDs likely do not light the main display. Rather standard back/front > lighting is probably used or it may use an EL (electroluminescient) > backlight. > I don't think there is much that can be done to improve the display. If > possible, the best thing to do might be to make some kind of hood/shade > around the HU to block out light. This may not be the easiest thing to do > though and depending on where the HU sits in your car it might not be a > viable solution, I suppose. I don't have a C90 but if I did I would > probably try something like that to stop outside light from washing out the > display... > Roland M. You might be able to find surface mount, white, LEDs.... I own a MDX-C8900 and I feel your pain. During the day the thing is invisible. XT-40V helps though :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Grve66(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 06, 2004
Subject: Need laser pick up KSS-520a SONY CDX-C90
Well after a month of waiting for my stereo (C90) stereo shop said they cant locate the laser pick up. I have emailed a few of the companies that have them listed on their website. but no response and they are not in the U.S. Does anybody have any link to a store or have a # for a place that would have one. thank you. Brett ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 25, 2004
From: Carl Renaghan <orudus(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Broken XDP-210???
I bought an XDP-210 from someone in the EliteCarAudio.com forums. When I hooked it up to my C90, the C90 does not power up. If I unhook it, the C90 comes back alive. I am using an Alpine bus cable (I am told its the same as Sonys). Any ideas? __________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby Braun" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Broken XDP-210???
Date: Oct 25, 2004
It could be a bad Unilink Cable. I had one go bad on my changer, and it affected the rest of the setup much like you're describing, so I'd try a new one of those first. Also, make sure that you don't have the remote output from the C90 feeding into the remote output of your 210EQ. My local dealers didn't realize that there was no need to give the processor a turn on signal, since it's fed through the Unilink cable. During an install, they hooked up both outputs to each other almost fried both my head and processor (smart guys). Other than that, the hookup of the 210EQ is pretty simple, and as long as you ruled out any other possible power/ground issues, if the above mentioned items don't help, you might have to look towards getting it repaired. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Renaghan" <orudus(at)yahoo.com> Subject: XDP4000X-List: Broken XDP-210??? > > I bought an XDP-210 from someone in the > EliteCarAudio.com forums. When I hooked it up to my > C90, the C90 does not power up. If I unhook it, the > C90 comes back alive. > > I am using an Alpine bus cable (I am told its the same > as Sonys). > > Any ideas? > > > __________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Broken XDP-210???
Date: Oct 26, 2004
> >I bought an XDP-210 from someone in the >EliteCarAudio.com forums. When I hooked it up to my >C90, the C90 does not power up. If I unhook it, the >C90 comes back alive. > >I am using an Alpine bus cable (I am told its the same >as Sonys). > >Any ideas? > Like Bobby suggested, check the remote output terminals connections--they are both OUTputs, the one one the HU and the one on the XDP both output +12V when the system is on. So make sure the only thing either is connected to is/are amplifier(s). The Alpine Ai-Net cable is indeed the same thing as the Sony cable and it should work correctly though, as Bobby stated as well the cable might be defective. Also make sure the UniLink cable is connected to the correct port on the XDP! The labels can sometimes be confusing because you want to connect the cable from the HU to the UniLink *output* connection on the XDP. I'm pretty sure it is the output connection you want. Because the UniLink connection on HUs is known as the UniLink or BUS Input. I know that I always get confused with that and think that the input on the slave units is supposed to be used but it is the other way around. That might be your problem as well. The other thing I would check, is the fuse on the XDP. Somehow I blew mine mysteriously (perhaps I had touched a wire or something) and the result was the same. Neither the HU or the XDP would power up. I checked all connections and eventually found the fuse on the XDP blown. Replaced it and everything was back up and running properly. Another thing to do is to press the RESET button on the main unit once you have connected everything. It should really automatically perform a BUS reset when you connect everything but just in case, hit the reset button if everything else as failed to reset the entire system. Roland M. Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2004
From: Carl Renaghan <orudus(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Broken XDP-210???
I did connect the remote to my head unit originally. But that did not seem to be the problem. Unless it burned something on the board, which does not look to be the case. I will try a new unilink cable. __________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2004
From: DB <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Broken XDP-210???
Funny you mention this, I was working on a friend's car that had an XDP-210 that refused to power on, and we yanked it out, and I was going to toss it, until I checked the fuse on the XDP-210. Apparently, the chassis was grounding out, and it caused the unit to short out the fuse. Replaced blown fuse on the XDP, plugged it back in, and we were back in business. Check the fuse... D Carl Renaghan wrote: > >I did connect the remote to my head unit originally. >But that did not seem to be the problem. Unless it >burned something on the board, which does not look to >be the case. I will try a new unilink cable. > > > >__________________________________ > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Raven Hunter Studios" <info(at)ravenhunter.ca>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/12/04
Date: Nov 13, 2004
please note these e-mails are originating through otra@shaw. ca please advise your provider ----- Original Message ----- From: "XDP4000X-List Digest Server" <xdp4000x-list-digest(at)matronics.com> Subject: XDP4000X-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/12/04 > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete XDP4000X-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the XDP4000X-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > > Text Version: > > > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > XDP4000X-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 11/12/04: 0 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Raven Hunter Studios" <info(at)ravenhunter.ca>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/12/04
Date: Nov 13, 2004
please note these e-mails are originating from otra(at)shaw.ca not ravenhunter ----- Original Message ----- From: "XDP4000X-List Digest Server" <xdp4000x-list-digest(at)matronics.com> Subject: XDP4000X-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/12/04 > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete XDP4000X-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the XDP4000X-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > > Text Version: > > > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > XDP4000X-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 11/12/04: 0 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2004
From: "Jim Hunton" <Jimh(at)ntgi.com>
Subject: Scratchy sounds from C90
Hi, I have several CD's that sound fine on my home stereo but make scratchy sounds when played in my C90. I should be more specific, the scratchy sounds come out of the speakers not the C90. Has anyone else had this problem? Jim Jim Hunton The Network Technology Group, Inc. (408)494-0301 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Scratchy sounds from C90
Date: Nov 25, 2004
>Hi, > >I have several CD's that sound fine on my home stereo but make scratchy >sounds when played in my C90. I should be more specific, the scratchy >sounds come out of the speakers not the C90. Has anyone else had this >problem? > > >Jim > >Jim Hunton >The Network Technology Group, Inc. >(408)494-0301 Your question souds a bit vague. Did you already check out all your wiirng, equipment, etc and clarified that it HAD to be caused by the deck? More often than not, it's the installation. Now if you've already clarified that it is your deck, then I dunno man. I don't have any scratchy sounds. I used to have a hissing sound, but that was from the 210EQ. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2004
From: DB <dbotel6500(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Scratchy sounds from C90
Hi Jim, Are you using an optical cable from your C90? Does the scratchiness come from playing the radio? Have you tried different CD's? Thanks, Daniel One Park wrote: > > > >>Hi, >> >>I have several CD's that sound fine on my home stereo but make scratchy >>sounds when played in my C90. I should be more specific, the scratchy >>sounds come out of the speakers not the C90. Has anyone else had this >>problem? >> >> >>Jim >> >>Jim Hunton >>The Network Technology Group, Inc. >>(408)494-0301 >> >> > >Your question souds a bit vague. Did you already check out all your wiirng, >equipment, etc and clarified that it HAD to be caused by the deck? More >often than not, it's the installation. > >Now if you've already clarified that it is your deck, then I dunno man. I >don't have any scratchy sounds. I used to have a hissing sound, but that was >from the 210EQ. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2004
From: Scott Walters <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
Subject: I'm Out, first dibs
Hey fellas, I am out. Got my wifes 2000 Passat and selling off my C90/4000 and going with an Eclipse 8454 and a professional install ( http://www.s-waves.com/ ) of my DynAudio 340 (custom kicks for mid/tweet), Brax Cap, A/D/S PQ20, JL 500/1, 2x10W3v2, 3 bulk packs of Dynamat Extreme. I considered the 8053 but wanted to avoid the hassle of the balanced line adapters and considerable interconnect costs. I also looked at Nak, Alpine, Pioneer, but it seemed that it came down to Eclipse or the Alpine F-1 (yeah right). If I didn't have the DSP reqs I'd given the Naks a closer look. The 8454 has 8v, but I still wonder if I am going to miss the no-clipping of the C90 and pure digital back to the DSP with short RCA's. I am really looking forward to the finished install and having all the functionality of the C90/4000 in the HU. I do loose one channel of flexibility (3 RCA DSP controlled outputs in the 8454 vs 4 in the 4000). But I use the Dyn X360a passive crossover for the mid/tweet, so 3 channels is perfect. Subs get Low Pass, door Dyn Driver gets full active LP/HP, and the Dyn crossover gets HP. That being said I am selling off the following gear, and wanted to give first dibs to my bros on the list. Prices are non-negotiable, anything I don't sell here will go on Ebay - no reserve. Buyer pays shipping and insurance, check the links. There are extras included in the XM and XDP auctions. $100 http://packetpushers.com/ebay/sonycdx.htm $150 http://packetpushers.com/ebay/sonyxm.htm $400 http://packetpushers.com/ebay/sonyxdp.htm I'll sell all three together for $600 (FWIW - the cost of the 8454). I will stay on the list and let you know how the Eclipse goes. From what I've read on the 'Net, no one has been disappointed going from the C90 to the Eclipse, we'll see . . . . I am absolutely drooling over the 63Hz crossover freq on the 8454. The MW160 has (f)s of 55Hz so 78Hz has been far from ideal (I know, preaching to the choir). I get the car next Friday. -- Scott Walters -PacketPusher ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 26, 2004
Subject: Re: I'm Out, first dibs
I'll take the PQ20 :) I could always use a Third ;) Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2004
From: Scott Walters <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
Subject: Re: I'm Out, first dibs
> I'll take the PQ20 :) I could always use a Third ;) hey, I hear ya. Hey do you run any of your PQ20's bridged? If you do, what are you driving, and have you ever had any issues? I also have a PQ10 (4x40) and am considering in my new install bridging the PQ20 (2x160) to the Dyn MW160 (they love power), and then the PQ10 bridged (2x80) to the X360a (mid and tweet). The thing is, when I've bridged these amps in the past, they tend to run hot (I've melted some of the DC inputs of the PQ20) and I think it affects the SQ. The PQ's are only 4ohm stable bridged, so I am thinking that 3.0 Ohms (MW160 DC resistance (Re), but the nominal(Znom) is 4ohms), might not be ideal for the PQ20 bridged. Looking at the MW160 spec sheet, it indicates a 22uF cap and 3.9Ohm resistance in parallel with the driver, but I don't really understand the electrical details. I'd really like to use all the power I have . . . . Thoughts? -- Scott Walters -PacketPusher ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 27, 2004
Subject: Re: I'm Out, first dibs
In a message dated 11/27/2004 12:01:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, scott(at)packetpushers.com writes: > I'll take the PQ20 :) I could always use a Third ;) hey, I hear ya. Hey do you run any of your PQ20's bridged? If you do, what are you driving, and have you ever had any issues? I also have a PQ10 (4x40) and am considering in my new install bridging the PQ20 (2x160) to the Dyn MW160 (they love power), and then the PQ10 bridged (2x80) to the X360a (mid and tweet). The thing is, when I've bridged these amps in the past, they tend to run hot (I've melted some of the DC inputs of the PQ20) and I think it affects the SQ. The PQ's are only 4ohm stable bridged, so I am thinking that 3.0 Ohms (MW160 DC resistance (Re), but the nominal(Znom) is 4ohms), might not be ideal for the PQ20 bridged. Looking at the MW160 spec sheet, it indicates a 22uF cap and 3.9Ohm resistance in parallel with the driver, but I don't really understand the electrical details. I'd really like to use all the power I have . . . . Thoughts? I've run the PQ20 bridged to a pair of Focal 6K4402's before with no problems at all. I did not have any of the same things that you seem to be having at all. The really don't seem to heat up much to me really. How is the Air Flow? How is the space for cooling? How are the Gains? Are you running them tooooo hard? The PQ20's have a lot of power really....... And are some of the best amps ever IMHO. I currently just have 2 PQ20's, a PQ10 and a Pair of A/D/S P4100's. I had a couple PH15's also. Some of the best amps ever made :) I would deffininitely not recommend running bridged less than 4 ohms really..... this will surely heat it up as you describe.... now that i think about it, i am not sure the DCR of the Focal i was using. I would think you may be possibly ok, but i don't want to guarantee anything you know :) I will soon be running a Pair of PQ 20's bridged to MorelUSA Triumph Tweets and also MorelUSA MR56 dome mids. And a P4100 Bridged to a pair of MorelUSA WR-8's. They surely are some of the best amps available :) Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 27, 2004
Subject: Mackie Studio Monitor HR824 8" drivers?
Just checking if there is any interest in these drivers. I originally got them and intended on using a pair in each door for killer midbass but have since gone another route. Here is a link: _http://www.mackie.com/products/hr824/_ (http://www.mackie.com/products/hr824/) These things retailed over $1000 each if i remember correctly. Anyway, these are the OEM 8.75" drivers never used. I have 4 of them. One of them has one of the basket posts broken off..... however there are 5 still in tact. The VC doesn't appear to rub at all and it should work as new anyway :) Any interest? Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2004
From: Scott Walters <scott(at)packetpushers.com>
Subject: Re: I'm Out, first dibs
> I've run the PQ20 bridged to a pair of Focal 6K4402's before with no > problems at all. Unable to find *any* specs on that driver on the Net or in Parts Express. > I did not have any of the same things that you seem to be having > at all. The really don't seem to heat up much to me really. How is the Air > Flow? How is the space for cooling? Back of rear seats, but it was so hot it just plain wasn't right. > How are the Gains? I've never gone more than half way. > Are you running them > tooooo hard? Hells yes, and put away wet. But honestly the only time I it would get too loud and distort were CD's with what I would consider higher than normal/ideal recording levels (e.g. Linkin Park). I could turn the Sheffield Reference stuff up to 0dB on the C90, and it would stay clean, and far from deafining. > I would defininitely not recommend running bridged less than 4 ohms > really..... this will surely heat it up as you describe.... now that i think about > it, i am not sure the DCR of the Focal i was using. > I would think you may be > possibly ok, but i don't want to guarantee anything you know :) I talked to a guy at the install shop and we agreed we should be able to get away with it. I am going to try and contact a/d/s to see if they can help. Not to mention I wouldn't be able to sleep at night thinking, I wonder what 2x160 of a/d/s love to my MW160's would have sounded like. I am thinking when I had this issue I was not highpassing at 78Hz, and that would account for drawing way too much power (at least way more than needed). Not to mention my skills as installer are highly suspect. But I would love to know the DCR of the Focals. > I will soon be running a Pair of PQ 20's bridged to MorelUSA Triumph Tweets > and also MorelUSA MR56 dome mids. And a P4100 Bridged to a pair of MorelUSA > WR-8's. I'd love to hear your rig and those Morel's. One of few speakers I'd consider worthy competition for the Dyns ;) > They surely are some of the best amps available :) Do you by chance have any specs/manuals for the PQ20. I have one for the PQ8 (and the amp too) -- Scott Walters -PacketPusher ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2004
From: Implicit <implicit(at)cqmail.net>
Subject: Re: Mackie Studio Monitor HR824 8" drivers?
> From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com > Subject: XDP4000X-List: Mackie Studio Monitor HR824 8" drivers? > > > Just checking if there is any interest in these drivers. I originally got > them and intended on using a pair in each door for killer midbass but have > since gone another route. > > Here is a link: _http://www.mackie.com/products/hr824/_ > (http://www.mackie.com/products/hr824/) > > > These things retailed over $1000 each if i remember correctly. > > Anyway, these are the OEM 8.75" drivers never used. I have 4 of them. > > One of them has one of the basket posts broken off..... however there are 5 > still in tact. The VC doesn't appear to rub at all and it should work as > new > > anyway :) > > Any interest? > > Dan Funny... I use a pair of HR824s in my studio... what made you decide to use a woofer from a nearfield monitor for a car audio system? matt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 28, 2004
Subject: Re: Mackie Studio Monitor HR824 8" drivers?
In a message dated 11/28/2004 11:54:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, implicit(at)cqmail.net writes: Funny... I use a pair of HR824s in my studio... what made you decide to use a woofer from a nearfield monitor for a car audio system? matt Just looked like a good idea at the time........ But i was also thinking in the back of my head a DIY home speaker setup...... There are many options :D Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DJholl98(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 28, 2004
Subject: Re: I'm Out, first dibs
Hi guys I just wanted to publicly thank scott for being a great guy and selling me his 4000x which will hopefully get me focused on finishing my install sometime before i die....... the problem now is after a bit of research i have decided i "MUST" have a fully active 3 way system... i am leaning towards dyn 340's but im also interested in some morels. Dan, how do you like your morels? did you listen to the msd-56/ mdt-33. would there be a problem running the 8ohm home audio models in a car? would you need a big amp to drive them? well looks like i'll be pulling double shifts for the next 6 months....... :o( one last question..... what the hell were the guys at sony smoking when they were working on the crossover points?????? ;) Thanks Dave ________________________________________________________________________________ DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=xmjGT5p9OJL8T6sJnUr+AD19tpZ9Z9FAOcGKyXUZbvxFLqQl3ih8eBefMZ3I47d/JbfMdQpvSOAQCY0XOeQeVNJblpGAGgdcsJRMrPVetH78FQrShnRgEPqh26/7Xx9U9Bfnx1MFz6jhaqzMDoyZeSx+7XP3QY7EQIR1EbjTJBY;
Date: Dec 06, 2004
From: christopher sphon <sphon721(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: CDX-C90 and XDP-4000 for sale
used but in good condition, cdxc90 has original box and both remotes, xdp4000 has unilink cable and null modem cable. both units were purchased by me for me and have only been in my car, i purchased them directly from sony as i worked there for five years. anyone interested can make an offer or request pictures @ sphon721(at)yahoo.com, please only serious inquires. i wanted to offer these units here first, the units will be posted on ebay if i get no responses in two weeks. i also have an xdp766eq if anyone is interested. i use paypal, thanks __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick Brussee" <djpbruss(at)xs4all.nl>
Subject: Harman Kardon Logic 7
Date: Dec 19, 2004
Hello all, In my new car I can get the Harman Kardon logic 7 system when I pay extra... The question is : Is it any good ? Or should I just put the speakers in myself, because that's what I did with my current car. What are your recomendations ? Kind regards, Dick Brussee ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "kheng wah" <wdq2230(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 22, 2004
hello, I'm setting up my install comprising cdx c90 xdp 4000x combo cdt es 3 ways powered by mcintosh amps. My question is where should i connect the xdp ? near the HU under the seat with long rca's to the amps in the boot? or in the boot,far from the HU but short rca's to the amps in the boot. From the owners manual, it's shown as the former connecting the HU to the xdp with the digital cable. thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 22, 2004
>hello, I'm setting up my install comprising >cdx c90 xdp 4000x combo >cdt es 3 ways powered by mcintosh amps. >My question is where should i connect the xdp ? >near the HU under the seat with long rca's to the amps in the boot? >or >in the boot,far from the HU but short rca's to the amps in the boot. >From the owners manual, it's shown as the former connecting the HU to the >xdp with the digital cable. >thanks I've got my processor installed in the boot, to minimize RCA cable length. I odn't htink it'd make a drastic difference if you put it right next to the hu or far away. it's got more to do with the layout of your car and length of RCA's. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Laird" <mark_laird(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 22, 2004
I don't know what you mean by "boot," but you are almost always better off getting close to the amps and using short RCA's. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kheng wah Subject: XDP4000X-List: where to put? hello, I'm setting up my install comprising cdx c90 xdp 4000x combo cdt es 3 ways powered by mcintosh amps. My question is where should i connect the xdp ? near the HU under the seat with long rca's to the amps in the boot? or in the boot,far from the HU but short rca's to the amps in the boot. From the owners manual, it's shown as the former connecting the HU to the xdp with the digital cable. thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 23, 2004
"Boot" = "trunk" in UK/Australian/New Zealand English But as suggested earlier, placement is more a case of personal preference I think. I've never liked the idea of things under seats because passengers can kick them and so forth. So instead, I used my creativity in the boot/trunk when installing my DSP. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Laird Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? I don't know what you mean by "boot," but you are almost always better off getting close to the amps and using short RCA's. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kheng wah Subject: XDP4000X-List: where to put? hello, I'm setting up my install comprising cdx c90 xdp 4000x combo cdt es 3 ways powered by mcintosh amps. My question is where should i connect the xdp ? near the HU under the seat with long rca's to the amps in the boot? or in the boot,far from the HU but short rca's to the amps in the boot. From the owners manual, it's shown as the former connecting the HU to the xdp with the digital cable. thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 22, 2004
From: christopher sphon <sphon721(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: where to put?
the unilink cable that came with mine was only lonf enough to go to the rear seat. so i mad an amp rack and mounted everything where the seat used to be, it was a hatchback anyway and the seat was to small for most children. i wish i had a pick to show how nice it looked --- Tony Antoniou wrote: > > > "Boot" = "trunk" in UK/Australian/New Zealand > English > > But as suggested earlier, placement is more a case > of personal preference I > think. I've never liked the idea of things under > seats because passengers > can kick them and so forth. So instead, I used my > creativity in the > boot/trunk when installing my DSP. > > Adios, > Tony > > --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums > --------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Mark Laird > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? > > > > I don't know what you mean by "boot," but you are > almost always better off > getting close to the amps and using short RCA's. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of kheng wah > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: XDP4000X-List: where to put? > > > > hello, I'm setting up my install comprising > cdx c90 xdp 4000x combo > cdt es 3 ways powered by mcintosh amps. > My question is where should i connect the xdp ? > near the HU under the seat with long rca's to the > amps in the boot? > or > in the boot,far from the HU but short rca's to the > amps in the boot. > From the owners manual, it's shown as the former > connecting the HU to the > xdp with the digital cable. > thanks > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 23, 2004
I neatly cut and extended my cable by soldering some more high grade cable in between and covered each wire as well as the entire bunch in heatshrink. It's a shame unilink cables are so hard to find now. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of christopher sphon Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? the unilink cable that came with mine was only lonf enough to go to the rear seat. so i mad an amp rack and mounted everything where the seat used to be, it was a hatchback anyway and the seat was to small for most children. i wish i had a pick to show how nice it looked ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 22, 2004
From: Implicit <implicit(at)cqmail.net>
Subject: where to put?
I have a few 18" unilink extension cables. If anyone is interested I'll see if I can track them down. matt Quoting Tony Antoniou : > > I neatly cut and extended my cable by soldering some more high grade cable > in between and covered each wire as well as the entire bunch in heatshrink. > It's a shame unilink cables are so hard to find now. > > Adios, > Tony > > --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of christopher > sphon > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? > > > the unilink cable that came with mine was only lonf > enough to go to the rear seat. so i mad an amp rack > and mounted everything where the seat used to be, it > was a hatchback anyway and the seat was to small for > most children. i wish i had a pick to show how nice it > looked > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 23, 2004
>I neatly cut and extended my cable by soldering some more high grade cable >in between and covered each wire as well as the entire bunch in heatshrink. >It's a shame unilink cables are so hard to find now. > >Adios, >Tony who says it's hard? It's in every sony dealer/service center, of various lengths too. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 22, 2004
From: christopher sphon <sphon721(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: where to put?
i didnt know you could extend it, i figured it had some kind of shield in it. ill have to try that, i als have the soundstream balanced line transmitters with short cables to try it on. cool --- Tony Antoniou wrote: > > > I neatly cut and extended my cable by soldering some > more high grade cable > in between and covered each wire as well as the > entire bunch in heatshrink. > It's a shame unilink cables are so hard to find now. > > Adios, > Tony > > --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums > --------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On > Behalf Of christopher > sphon > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? > > sphon > > the unilink cable that came with mine was only lonf > enough to go to the rear seat. so i mad an amp rack > and mounted everything where the seat used to be, it > was a hatchback anyway and the seat was to small for > most children. i wish i had a pick to show how nice > it > looked > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > > __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 23, 2004
I'm keen on an 18ft beast if you're prepared to send it to Australia. I can paypal you the cash in a flash. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Implicit Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? I have a few 18" unilink extension cables. If anyone is interested I'll see if I can track them down. matt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 23, 2004
I do. I haven't had much joy sourcing one in Australia. Even Sony Australia have taken it off their website. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of One Park Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? >I neatly cut and extended my cable by soldering some more high grade cable >in between and covered each wire as well as the entire bunch in heatshrink. >It's a shame unilink cables are so hard to find now. > >Adios, >Tony who says it's hard? It's in every sony dealer/service center, of various lengths too. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 23, 2004
You can extend any kind of electrical cable if: a) It's done very neatly b) You use same quality cable in between. This isn't just an exercise in soldering some spare 24AWG hobby wire 3#-) I've had the liberty of splicing 100pair Belden shielded cables at the Olympics in Athens and it was not fun, but not impossible either and the audio carried on it was still good for all audio. You won't need to worry about any balancing transformers for the task either. That's more to do with matching up mismatched impedances between the equipment at both ends than the actual cable, at least over a short run like that anyway. In this case, both the DSP and the head unit are designed with the same impedances anyway so there's no problem. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of christopher sphon Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? i didnt know you could extend it, i figured it had some kind of shield in it. ill have to try that, i als have the soundstream balanced line transmitters with short cables to try it on. cool ________________________________________________________________________________
From: justinjbaron(at)comcast.net
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 27, 2004
I've heard that Alpine AI-Net cables use the same pinout as the Unilink cables - you would want to test before buying, but the Alpine cables might be cheaper and more readily available... -------------- Original message -------------- > > You can extend any kind of electrical cable if: > > a) It's done very neatly > b) You use same quality cable in between. This isn't just an exercise in > soldering some spare 24AWG hobby wire 3#-) > > I've had the liberty of splicing 100pair Belden shielded cables at the > Olympics in Athens and it was not fun, but not impossible either and the > audio carried on it was still good for all audio. You won't need to worry > about any balancing transformers for the task either. That's more to do with > matching up mismatched impedances between the equipment at both ends than > the actual cable, at least over a short run like that anyway. In this case, > both the DSP and the head unit are designed with the same impedances anyway > so there's no problem. > > Adios, > Tony > > --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of christopher > sphon > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? > > > i didnt know you could extend it, i figured it had > some kind of shield in it. ill have to try that, i als > have the soundstream balanced line transmitters with > short cables to try it on. cool > > > I've heard that Alpine AI-Net cables use the same pinout as the Unilink cables - you would want to test before buying, but the Alpine cables might be cheaper and more readily available... -------------- Original message -------------- -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tony Antoniou" You can extend any kind of electrical cable if: a) It's done very neatly b) You use same quality cable in between. This isn't just an exercise in soldering some spare 24AWG hobby wire 3#-) I've had the liberty of splicing 100pair Belden shielded cables at the Olympics in Athens and it was not fun, but not impossible either and the audio carried on it was still good for all audio. You won't need to worry about any balancing transformers for the task either. That's more to do with matching up mismatched impedances between the equipment at both ends than the actual cable, at least over a short run like that anyway. In this case, bot h the DSP and the head unit are designed with the same impedances anyway so there's no problem. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of christopher sphon To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: christopher sphon i didnt know you could extend it, i figured it had some kind of shield in it. ill have to try that, i als have the soundstream balanced line transmitters with short cables to try it on. cool sored by Matronics. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 27, 2004
From: christopher sphon <sphon721(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: where to put?
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-HG0mJQdLY2c/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?s=0&cc=01&g=57900&id=morephotos&pi=1&i=500KWA200B&display=L#Tab looks the same, check out the above link --- justinjbaron(at)comcast.net wrote: > justinjbaron(at)comcast.net > > I've heard that Alpine AI-Net cables use the same > pinout as the Unilink cables - you would want to > test before buying, but the Alpine cables might be > cheaper and more readily available... > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > Antoniou" > > > > You can extend any kind of electrical cable if: > > > > a) It's done very neatly > > b) You use same quality cable in between. This > isn't just an exercise in > > soldering some spare 24AWG hobby wire 3#-) > > > > I've had the liberty of splicing 100pair Belden > shielded cables at the > > Olympics in Athens and it was not fun, but not > impossible either and the > > audio carried on it was still good for all audio. > You won't need to worry > > about any balancing transformers for the task > either. That's more to do with > > matching up mismatched impedances between the > equipment at both ends than > > the actual cable, at least over a short run like > that anyway. In this case, > > both the DSP and the head unit are designed with > the same impedances anyway > > so there's no problem. > > > > Adios, > > Tony > > > > --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums > --------------- > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] > On Behalf Of christopher > > sphon > > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? > > > sphon > > > > i didnt know you could extend it, i figured it had > > > some kind of shield in it. ill have to try that, i > als > > have the soundstream balanced line transmitters > with > > short cables to try it on. cool > > > > > > > > I've heard that Alpine AI-Net cables use the same > pinout as the Unilink cables - you would want to > test before buying, but the Alpine cables might be > cheaper and more readily available... > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tony Antoniou" > > > You can extend any kind of electrical cable if: > > a) It's done very neatly > b) You use same quality cable in between. This > isn't just an exercise in > soldering some spare 24AWG hobby wire 3#-) > > I've had the liberty of splicing 100pair Belden > shielded cables at the > Olympics in Athens and it was not fun, but not > impossible either and the > audio carried on it was still good for all audio. > You won't need to worry > about any balancing transformers for the task > either. That's more to do with > matching up mismatched impedances between the > equipment at both ends than > the actual cable, at least over a short run like > that anyway. In this case, > bot > h the DSP and the head unit are designed with the > same impedances anyway > so there's no problem. > > Adios, > Tony > > --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums > --------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] > On Behalf Of christopher > sphon > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: christopher > sphon > > i didnt know you could extend it, i figured it had > some kind of shield in it. ill have to try that, i > als > have the soundstream balanced line transmitters > with > short cables to try it on. cool > > > sored by Matronics. > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > > __________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: where to put?
Date: Dec 27, 2004
>From: justinjbaron(at)comcast.net >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com, >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? >Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:01:25 +0000 > > >I've heard that Alpine AI-Net cables use the same pinout as the Unilink >cables - you would want to test before buying, but the Alpine cables might >be cheaper and more readily available... > > Yeah they use the same connectors and same straigh-thru cable wiring, with no resistance--they should work fine (I use on in my system with no problems); also JVC J-Link cables are also the same... Roland M. >-------------- Original message -------------- > > > > > You can extend any kind of electrical cable if: > > > > a) It's done very neatly > > b) You use same quality cable in between. This isn't just an exercise in > > soldering some spare 24AWG hobby wire 3#-) > > > > I've had the liberty of splicing 100pair Belden shielded cables at the > > Olympics in Athens and it was not fun, but not impossible either and the > > audio carried on it was still good for all audio. You won't need to >worry > > about any balancing transformers for the task either. That's more to do >with > > matching up mismatched impedances between the equipment at both ends >than > > the actual cable, at least over a short run like that anyway. In this >case, > > both the DSP and the head unit are designed with the same impedances >anyway > > so there's no problem. > > > > Adios, > > Tony > > > > --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of >christopher > > sphon > > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? > > > > > > i didnt know you could extend it, i figured it had > > some kind of shield in it. ill have to try that, i als > > have the soundstream balanced line transmitters with > > short cables to try it on. cool > > > > > > > >I've heard that Alpine AI-Net cables use the same pinout as the Unilink >cables - you would want to test before buying, but the Alpine cables might >be cheaper and more readily available... > > >-------------- Original message -------------- > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: "Tony Antoniou" > > > You can extend any kind of electrical cable if: > > a) It's done very neatly > b) You use same quality cable in between. This isn't just an exercise in > soldering some spare 24AWG hobby wire 3#-) > > I've had the liberty of splicing 100pair Belden shielded cables at the > Olympics in Athens and it was not fun, but not impossible either and the > audio carried on it was still good for all audio. You won't need to worry > about any balancing transformers for the task either. That's more to do >with > matching up mismatched impedances between the equipment at both ends than > the actual cable, at least over a short run like that anyway. In this >case, > bot > h the DSP and the head unit are designed with the same impedances anyway > so there's no problem. > > Adios, > Tony > > --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of >christopher > sphon > To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: where to put? > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: christopher sphon > > > i didnt know you could extend it, i figured it had > some kind of shield in it. ill have to try that, i als > have the soundstream balanced line transmitters with > short cables to try it on. cool > > > sored by Matronics. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2005
From: christopher sphon <sphon721(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Q?
hey guys, i was wondering if anyone knows the Q setting in the xdp766eq. there is one eq setting called mellow that takes all the harshness away in my car but i cant seem to emulate it on my xdp4000. the closest i get is when i pull 4000hz down to about -8db with a thin band. i really hate using this peice for one eg setting, its a huge quality bottle neck. happy new year! __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Jan 07, 2005
Subject: [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT!
Dear Listers, Service Provider to upgrade to a larger IP subnet. I will be re-addressing all of the machines on the network including the Matronics Web Server and Matronics Email Server at that time. Name Service will be updated at that time as well and most things should work again pretty quick. There may be some bounced email for a few hours or even a day or so as the new name-to-ip-address resolutions propagate into the depths of the Internet. If you have problems posting a message to one of the Lists or get a bounced message back, please wait a couple of hours and try sending it again. Generally, access to the web site should work within 1-hour of Hopefully the transition will go smoothly and you'll hardly even notice! :-) Thanks for your patience! Matt Dralle List Administrator -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2005
From: christopher sphon <sphon721(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: for sale cdxc90 and xdp4000eq
for sale cdxc90 and xdp4000eq, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5743275755 __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Anderson" <jbanderson69(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the xdp4k?
c90?
Date: Jan 10, 2005
hello, i cannot seem to remember what the option was to hook up a mobile HD to the C90 so that one could play mp3s through it. would someone mind posting what that option was. also, if anyone is using one in their systems, could you comment on the sound quality vs cd? thanks, john ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2005
From: christopher sphon <sphon721(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the xdp4k?
c90? you can simply use the analog input on your dsp and select the tuner and it acts like an aux input John Anderson wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message posted by: "John Anderson" hello, i cannot seem to remember what the option was to hook up a mobile HD to the C90 so that one could play mp3s through it. would someone mind posting what that option was. also, if anyone is using one in their systems, could you comment on the sound quality vs cd? thanks, john ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2005
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to
the xdp4k? c90? John, Were you looking for the Phatbox? Its a harddisk-based MP3 player that has a Sony Unilink direct interface. I have two - one in the car, another in the truck - and really love it! Here is the URL: http://www.phatnoise.com/products/digitalmediaplayers/index.php Best regards, Matt Dralle At 04:37 PM 1/10/2005 Monday, you wrote: > >you can simply use the analog input on your dsp and select the tuner and >it acts like an aux input > >John Anderson wrote:--> XDP4000X-List message >posted by: "John Anderson" > >hello, > >i cannot seem to remember what the option was to hook up a mobile HD to the >C90 so that one could play mp3s through it. would someone mind posting what >that option was. also, if anyone is using one in their systems, could you >comment on the sound quality vs cd? > >thanks, >john > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the xdp4k?
c90?
Date: Jan 11, 2005
Not a bad price either at $799. The only thing is, I don't see my MDX-C8900 MD unit listed in their compatibility list. We'll wait and see what they tell me in response to my email query. Otherwise, buttloads of FLACs (screw AAC/WMA/MP3's) to compliment my MD collection will be mighty cool. Just gotta work out where in the boot/trunk I'll be mounting it. Thanks Matt!! Your list has proven to be very valuable (wouldn't have found my XDP-210EQ if it weren't for that!) and is continuing to be so. Keep it up dude! Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- John, Were you looking for the Phatbox? Its a harddisk-based MP3 player that has a Sony Unilink direct interface. I have two - one in the car, another in the truck - and really love it! Here is the URL: http://www.phatnoise.com/products/digitalmediaplayers/index.php Best regards, Matt Dralle ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the xdp4k?
c90?
Date: Jan 11, 2005
> > >Not a bad price either at $799. The only thing is, I don't see my MDX-C8900 >MD unit listed in their compatibility list. We'll wait and see what they >tell me in response to my email query. > >Adios, >Tony > I don't see any reason the MDX-C8900 *couldn't* be used to control the device as it has the same UniLink control features as the C90 (CD/MD Changer/DSP/TV Controls)... Roland M. PS: I can't get the site www.phatnoise.com to work at all... Anyone else have the same problem? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Rotary Encoder problem--possible correction?
Date: Jan 11, 2005
I noticed a few ppl on the list have had previous problems with the rotary encoder on the units of the late 90's that used the click type encoder (usually with the source button in the middle and the swing shuttle track control thingy around it)... This includes the C90 as well as many other units (CDX-C680/C780/C880/C6850/C7850/C8850 are some examples, there are others). On rare occasion I would get the same thing as other ppl have complained of--"gaps" in operation when turning (as in volume/setting doesn't continually go up/down smoothly); and the worse situation of the rotary starting to interpret backwards randomly (as in the volume goes UP when you spin the encoder DOWN). Recently the control on my CDX-C7850 had the unfortunate occurence of having the dreaded latter problem to an extreme degree--I had no reliable control with the encoder (problem temporarily solved via remote or via the buttons on the slaved MDX-400 in my system). However it was indeed very annoying to get the remote or reach to the MDX-400 which is lower on the dash... So I dismantled the faceplate (as per service manual assembly diagrams)--popped out the SOURCE button, removed the round dial/encoder; removed faceplate screws and the swing shuttler and then opened up the face plate. I poured rubbing alcohol in the encoder dial internals and turned the dial in both directions so as to work in the alcohol... I immediately re-assembled and brought it back in the car. Unfortunately this had pretty much NOTHING on the faceplate working except the display! I guess the alcohol had not dried yet... So I returned inside and repeated the above but left it to dry overnight and re-assembled everything in the morning... Took it back to the car and now it works like a charm--the encoder problem completely went away, and everything works fine again :) Just something to try if your encoder goes bad/flakey on you--a good cleaning with alcohol might just restore it like it did on mine. Roland M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the xdp4k?
c90?
Date: Jan 12, 2005
That's what I figured ... same protocol and all, just a model they probably overlooked. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland M Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the xdp4k? c90? I don't see any reason the MDX-C8900 *couldn't* be used to control the device as it has the same UniLink control features as the C90 (CD/MD Changer/DSP/TV Controls)... Roland M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: Rotary Encoder problem--possible correction?
Date: Jan 12, 2005
Rather than using alcohol, you should consider using a contact cleaner/lubricant combination fluid as without it, your rotary encoder's pads on the PCB will wear away sooner without it. That's what I did for my MDX-C8900. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland M Subject: XDP4000X-List: Rotary Encoder problem--possible correction? So I returned inside and repeated the above but left it to dry overnight and re-assembled everything in the morning... Took it back to the car and now it works like a charm--the encoder problem completely went away, and everything works fine again :) Just something to try if your encoder goes bad/flakey on you--a good cleaning with alcohol might just restore it like it did on mine. Roland M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 11, 2005
Subject: Re: Rotary Encoder problem--possible correction?
where were you when i had this problem!!!!! hehehhee....... :) Good story tho.... and thanks for the advice! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 11, 2005
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to
the xdp4k? c90? That would be my guess too. As they say in Australia: suck it and see.... Matt At 04:12 PM 1/11/2005 Tuesday, you wrote: > >That's what I figured ... same protocol and all, just a model they probably >overlooked. > >Adios, >Tony > >--------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland M >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the >xdp4k? c90? > > >I don't see any reason the MDX-C8900 *couldn't* be used to control the >device as it has the same UniLink control features as the C90 (CD/MD >Changer/DSP/TV Controls)... > >Roland M. > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the xdp4k?
c90?
Date: Jan 12, 2005
Nah, that's what Americans say. We say, "Let's give it a burl." Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the xdp4k? c90? That would be my guess too. As they say in Australia: suck it and see.... Matt ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 11, 2005
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to
the xdp4k? c90? Are you sure about that? I don't think Americas know the "suck it and see" phase. I did a little web surfing research tonight and I found this very interesting reference: http://www.angelescity.com/aussie_slang.html Scroll down to the "S" section then look for "Suck" and there it is. I'm pretty sure the first person I heard say this was "Bryan Brown" the actor ( http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1587/BryanBrown_Amy_G_626782_400.jpg ). According to the Internet Movie Database, he's from Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. "Give it a Burl" is also in the aussie_slang website above. Can't say as I've ever heard that one before. Course, I'm a Yank, ya know... :-) Matt At 10:58 PM 1/11/2005 Tuesday, you wrote: > >Nah, that's what Americans say. We say, "Let's give it a burl." > >Adios, >Tony > >--------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the >xdp4k? c90? > > >That would be my guess too. As they say in Australia: suck it and see.... > >Matt > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 12, 2005
From: Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RE: what is the hard drive that connects to the xdp4k?
c90? Funny! :-p Is there any way the iPod (or simular) could interface via USB from the Sony Unilink Aux Input adaptor? (This booger: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-4HIK7pF6khk/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=50900&I=158XA300 )... Even if it wouldn't, something like an iPod seems more cost-effective than a Phatnoise Phat-Box IMO. The PhatBox is killer due to the C90 controllability and title/name scrolling, but is that feature worth 2-3 times as much as a portable MP3 player with a cradle and analog connections to the 4000x? I'm still debating replacing one of my two 10-disc changers with the Sony MP3 10-disc changer (analog connections, - but no biggie IMO). OR, adding the Unilink XM-Radio tuner (but I hear it is not all that simple to use with the C90 preset buttons), OR some sort of portable MP3 player or PhatBox. Even a lap-top PC would be killer for a MP3 jukebox, and realtime control of the XDP-4000x! Plus GPS in one unit (W/ Dash mounted 7" Touch-Screen). Too many options, but this Sony ES stuff is aging, and sizeable investments in "Sony Only" upgrades seem questionable (EX. - Phatbox + Unilink) where as an iPod or Laptop could be used with any system (even use a digital USB connection from a LapTop into the AUX Input Adaptor as your main "Source Unit"!). Even if you make the Lap-Top a "permanent" fixture, you could still import audio files and data via portable FW Hard Drives, 802.11b wireless, etc... I'm just sayin'... ;-) Someone should create a Unilink-to-USB style interface for using the XA-300 (or Toslink SPDIF) and the XDP-4000x with a LapTop - so a Unilink head unit would not be needed. The XDP-4k should last for a long time, but the C90 takes a lot of wear and tear, and has a limited lifespan... Over and out, Randy V. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2005
From: christopher sphon <sphon721(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: cdx c90 xdp 4000eq sale ending soon.
auction is ending soon, copy link below. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5743275755 __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 21, 2005
From: Georgi Mladenov <el_mosquito(at)abv.bg>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/20/05
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From: "Bobby" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Jan 31, 2005
Was reading through one of the car audio forums when I saw this, is this true? "the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good... well, at least using that will rule out alt noise picked up via RCA's." First off, I don't know where in the definition of S_PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) does it say that a signal must first be converted to analog before it is converted back to digital as he is describing. In fact it was my understanding that the S_PDIF format was developed to avoid having to do just that. And I wasn't aware that when using the digital output of the C90, that the DAC's were used at all in the head, I would've thought that it bypassed those DAC's altogether, which tells me why the VC filters are disabled when a DSP is hooked up to the unit. Anyone with some thoughts? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2005
From: Ethan <telmnstr(at)757.org>
Subject: Various hackery (XDP-210EQ)
Hello all. I have a XDP-210EQ, and am using it with an analog changer. The analog Sony changer is too loud, and on loudly mastered CDs the XDP-210EQ makes click noises as the channel peaks out. Anyone else experience this? Next up. I tried to hook a DVD player into the optical input, just to see what would happen. It doesn't seem to go digital unlss the unilink device tells the EQ that it's digital. So then I got the schematic for one of the digital ouput equipped unilink changers. According to the schematic (828 changer perhaps?) there is a pin on one chip that controls analog ro digital mode. There also is the standard SPDIF to TOSLINK output conversion. So I've been trying to get schematics for teh MDX-757 changer to see if it would be possible to retrofit that changer with a digital output. By any chance does anyone on here have access to the Sony repair site with the schematics? I'd like to see the 757 changer schematics to perhaps develop a digital optical output. I'd also like to see the difference between the digital source selector and the analog source selector (XA-C30 and XA-C30D I think ? or is it XA-U30D). Mainly just to see what can be done. It would be awesome to be able to use one of the digital inputs when video1 from the TV tuner module is activated :-) Don't think it's going to happen tho. I was kind of dissapointed the TV tuner doesn't show anything for the EQ, it would have been nice to be able to see the EQ curve on the TV. Lastly, the XDP-210EQ has some sort of serial port. Anyone know what this is for? What it does? Was there any software to communicate with it like the XDP-4000X? At some point I will probably build the GUNILINK unilink to PC interface and get some captures of various functions. -- // Ethan O'Toole // http://users.757.org/~ethan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Feb 01, 2005
>Was reading through one of the car audio forums when I saw this, is this >true? > >"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital >signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck >itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the >processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has >to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good... > >well, at least using that will rule out alt noise picked up via RCA's." > >First off, I don't know where in the definition of S_PDIF (Sony/Philips >Digital Interface) does it say that a signal must first be converted to >analog before it is converted back to digital as he is describing. In >fact it was my understanding that the S_PDIF format was developed to >avoid having to do just that. > >And I wasn't aware that when using the digital output of the C90, that >the DAC's were used at all in the head, I would've thought that it >bypassed those DAC's altogether, which tells me why the VC filters are >disabled when a DSP is hooked up to the unit. Anyone with some >thoughts? > Hey Bobby, from CA.com, huh? ;) I am paikiah, the one who said the digital output of the C90 isn't true digital signals direct from the CD itself. The CD player would have to essentially be a CD transporter to have unprocessed, unconverted digital signals, that would also have to end up in a DAC. Have you seen the adapter needed to change the analog plug to "digital"? It's a 10~15 dollar plug. The so-called digital inputs on my PC are the same. It only accepts, but right behind is a cheap plug that converts digitised analog signals back to analogue. Myabe I jumped the gun when I said SPDIF, but what i was trying to say was that the digital output plug behind the C90 deck is not direct from CD. It has still already been converted in some way to an analog signal. You'll find pure digital signals coming out of CD players in mostly the most expensive players around, called (again) CD transporters. :) Hope I've explained it alright, cause I think I confused myself in the process. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Jan 31, 2005
Funny coincidence. I guess I always thought that the converter that plugged in on the back of the c90 was in some way converting the signal from coaxial digital to optical digital, I never would've thought Sony would've gone the route you describe. Maybe I was wrong... Disappointing. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of One Park Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? >Was reading through one of the car audio forums when I saw this, is this >true? > >"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital >signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck >itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the >processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has >to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good... > >well, at least using that will rule out alt noise picked up via RCA's." > >First off, I don't know where in the definition of S_PDIF (Sony/Philips >Digital Interface) does it say that a signal must first be converted to >analog before it is converted back to digital as he is describing. In >fact it was my understanding that the S_PDIF format was developed to >avoid having to do just that. > >And I wasn't aware that when using the digital output of the C90, that >the DAC's were used at all in the head, I would've thought that it >bypassed those DAC's altogether, which tells me why the VC filters are >disabled when a DSP is hooked up to the unit. Anyone with some >thoughts? > Hey Bobby, from CA.com, huh? ;) I am paikiah, the one who said the digital output of the C90 isn't true digital signals direct from the CD itself. The CD player would have to essentially be a CD transporter to have unprocessed, unconverted digital signals, that would also have to end up in a DAC. Have you seen the adapter needed to change the analog plug to "digital"? It's a 10~15 dollar plug. The so-called digital inputs on my PC are the same. It only accepts, but right behind is a cheap plug that converts digitised analog signals back to analogue. Myabe I jumped the gun when I said SPDIF, but what i was trying to say was that the digital output plug behind the C90 deck is not direct from CD. It has still already been converted in some way to an analog signal. You'll find pure digital signals coming out of CD players in mostly the most expensive players around, called (again) CD transporters. :) Hope I've explained it alright, cause I think I confused myself in the process. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Laird" <mark_laird(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Jan 31, 2005
Just because it has a coax (or at least non-optical) output doesn't mean it isn't digital. You don't need optical to send a digital signal, it works just as well coming down a copper wire. I don't believe the 211 (or 210) plug does any kind of analog to digital conversion like you described. And other than you, I have never read, or heard of the digital signal from cd converting to analog using the deck's DACs and then being converted back to digital (using some special ADCs that no one has ever mentioned being built in) and then sent to the 4000x. Actually, the only down side I ever heard of in regards to the 4000x, is that you end up bypassing the outstanding DACs in the C90. -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of One Park Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? >Was reading through one of the car audio forums when I saw this, is this >true? > >"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital >signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck >itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the >processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has >to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good... > >well, at least using that will rule out alt noise picked up via RCA's." > >First off, I don't know where in the definition of S_PDIF (Sony/Philips >Digital Interface) does it say that a signal must first be converted to >analog before it is converted back to digital as he is describing. In >fact it was my understanding that the S_PDIF format was developed to >avoid having to do just that. > >And I wasn't aware that when using the digital output of the C90, that >the DAC's were used at all in the head, I would've thought that it >bypassed those DAC's altogether, which tells me why the VC filters are >disabled when a DSP is hooked up to the unit. Anyone with some >thoughts? > Hey Bobby, from CA.com, huh? ;) I am paikiah, the one who said the digital output of the C90 isn't true digital signals direct from the CD itself. The CD player would have to essentially be a CD transporter to have unprocessed, unconverted digital signals, that would also have to end up in a DAC. Have you seen the adapter needed to change the analog plug to "digital"? It's a 10~15 dollar plug. The so-called digital inputs on my PC are the same. It only accepts, but right behind is a cheap plug that converts digitised analog signals back to analogue. Myabe I jumped the gun when I said SPDIF, but what i was trying to say was that the digital output plug behind the C90 deck is not direct from CD. It has still already been converted in some way to an analog signal. You'll find pure digital signals coming out of CD players in mostly the most expensive players around, called (again) CD transporters. :) Hope I've explained it alright, cause I think I confused myself in the process. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Feb 01, 2005
Hey Bobby! Long time no speak! About what you've read in that forum - not so at all. Without having looked at the schematics for those units (and taking my Sony JA30ES MD component deck in the studio for this investigation), the schematics for that unit clearly show the SPDIF feed coming directly from the DSP. As for the digital input, it has to go through a digital audio interface IC, off to a sampling rate converter/digital filter then off to the ATRAC codec IC and then off to the DSP. At no point does the digital signal even approach any of the ADC/DAC's. I would assume that the same applied to all SPDIF-equipped devices (without the ATRAC codec in the case of pure PCM of course) and besides which, it would minimise component count which would help reduce manufacturing costs! Whoever said that should be shot dead for that kind of rubbish unless Sony did something really silly with the C90's - which I sincerely doubt. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Subject: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? Was reading through one of the car audio forums when I saw this, is this true? "the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2005
From: Ethan <telmnstr(at)757.org>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
> Have you seen the adapter needed to change the analog plug to "digital"? > It's a 10~15 dollar plug. The so-called digital inputs on my PC are the > same. It only accepts, but right behind is a cheap plug that converts > digitised analog signals back to analogue. Myabe I jumped the gun when I > said SPDIF, but what i was trying to say was that the digital output plug > behind the C90 deck is not direct from CD. It has still already been > converted in some way to an analog signal. The output you are referring to is S/PDIF, Sony Phillips Digital Interface. Most of the chipsets that are in CD players feature this output. I beleive you will find it is basically raw PCM digital data from the CD, and has not been converted to analog and back, unless Sony did this in the head units to run some sort of analog filters, or because of bad design. I believe people have said the optical digital output only works with the CD, and not the FM tuner which again would lead me to believe this output is is nothing more than the SPDIF tap from the CD playback chipset. The reason they are so cheap is there is nothing magical about them anymore. Almost every computer CD-ROM drive has a pair of pins that are SPDIF output (Digital audio out). Many Soundcards have input and output sets. Much of the pro-audio equipment used to record music utilizes it. The optical form is nothing but the same signaling done using LED/light over a piece of plastic (TOSLink fiber). The DVD players often use a different signaling when there is 6 discreet channels. I don't know much about the differences. There are indeed different signalling for audio as well, such as AES and Alesis lightpipe (an 8 track format, 48khz 16 and 24 bit used by Alesis pro audio gear). Not sure what Tascam and other multi-track machines use. > You'll find pure digital signals coming out of CD players in mostly the most > expensive players around, called (again) CD transporters. :) Err my CD transporter is a machine that moves CDs in and out of a drive for mass production :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Feb 01, 2005
So you mean to tell us that the SPDIF encoding of raw PCM audio is not true digital audio? Of course it is ... the transport is still the same (that being digital) but all that has changed is the protocol (i.e. the language in which the digital information is translated to). The audio itself still remains digital, uncompressed and therefore completely lossless. If you can back up your claims with a schematic, that would prove that they are at some point analogue. Otherwise, if they simply change from one digital transport mechanism to another, whilst only being passed through a digital resampling/filtering stage at most, then that is not analogue in the slightest. The 10-15 dollar plugs you refer to, could you describe them better? Are they optical to coaxial/RCA converters or something? Sounds like it for that kind of pricing. I'm going to look for a schematic on the C90 myself. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of One Park Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? from CA.com, huh? ;) I am paikiah, the one who said the digital output of the C90 isn't true digital signals direct from the CD itself. The CD player would have to essentially be a CD transporter to have unprocessed, unconverted digital signals, that would also have to end up in a DAC. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Feb 01, 2005
Really? The DAC's in the C90 are better than the 4000x? That's a revelation ... not that I even went to that extent for my set up. But I'm with you mate, my/our interpretation of the other dude's comments on those 10-15 adapters is in reference to optical - coaxial converters. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Laird Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? Just because it has a coax (or at least non-optical) output doesn't mean it isn't digital. You don't need optical to send a digital signal, it works just as well coming down a copper wire. I don't believe the 211 (or 210) plug does any kind of analog to digital conversion like you described. And other than you, I have never read, or heard of the digital signal from cd converting to analog using the deck's DACs and then being converted back to digital (using some special ADCs that no one has ever mentioned being built in) and then sent to the 4000x. Actually, the only down side I ever heard of in regards to the 4000x, is that you end up bypassing the outstanding DACs in the C90. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2005
From: Ethan <telmnstr(at)757.org>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
> Really? The DAC's in the C90 are better than the 4000x? That's a revelation > ... not that I even went to that extent for my set up. I just ran across this while looking for info on the serial port on the XDP-210EQ: U50D - Has a 1-bit DAC 210EQ - Has tri 20-bit burr brown DACs 4000x - Has quad 24-bit Crystal DACs C910 - Has dual 20-bit burr brown DACs C90 - Has dual 20-Bit burr brown DACs I think the top one is sarcasm? This was posted on this list, by "Colin (DP Motorsport)" <colin@dp-motorsport.co.uk in 2003. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2005
From: Ethan <telmnstr(at)757.org>
Subject: XDP-210EQ schematics
Also, if anyone has the PDF schematics for this unit, I'd love to see them. I was thinking I ran across them somewhere but didn't save them. For those interested, here is inside shots of the unit: http://users.757.org/~ethan/pics/geek/incoming/xdp210eq/ What... is... the EXTRA IO PORT FOR!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Laird" <mark_laird(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Jan 31, 2005
Well, I think better is a relative term :) I meant that by using the 4000x, you bypass the very nice DACs you pay a lot of money for in the C90. I actually thought the C90 had 24-bit burr browns and the 4000x had 20-bit crystals but Ethan's email indicates I've got it backwards. All I know for sure is that my system sounds better with the 4000x than it did with the 210, or without any processor. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Antoniou Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? Really? The DAC's in the C90 are better than the 4000x? That's a revelation .. not that I even went to that extent for my set up. But I'm with you mate, my/our interpretation of the other dude's comments on those 10-15 adapters is in reference to optical - coaxial converters. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Laird Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? Just because it has a coax (or at least non-optical) output doesn't mean it isn't digital. You don't need optical to send a digital signal, it works just as well coming down a copper wire. I don't believe the 211 (or 210) plug does any kind of analog to digital conversion like you described. And other than you, I have never read, or heard of the digital signal from cd converting to analog using the deck's DACs and then being converted back to digital (using some special ADCs that no one has ever mentioned being built in) and then sent to the 4000x. Actually, the only down side I ever heard of in regards to the 4000x, is that you end up bypassing the outstanding DACs in the C90. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2005
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
>"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital >signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck >itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the >processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has >to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good... Ah, no. Here's a schematic snippet from the C90... http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/C90DigitalOutput.jpg Pure digital... Matt ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2005
From: christopher sphon <sphon721(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: unilink
has anyone messed with the internals of the unilink cable? i was wondering which wires provided the remote turn on. __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Feb 01, 2005
Thanks Matt ... proof in the pudding that the dude from that other forum knows nothing about electronics and should be shot for making uneducated guesses. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- Ah, no. Here's a schematic snippet from the C90... http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/C90DigitalOutput.jpg Pure digital... Matt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bobby" <bobbybraun(at)comcast.net>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Jan 31, 2005
Thanks Matt, that's what I was looking for. One Park, maybe you should make an edit to your original post on CA, it wasn't my intention to bash or flame you by making this post, I just saw something that I believed to be incorrect, and wanted to double check before I opened my mouth. Make the edit now so we won't have to listen to others repeat their 'newly acquired' knowledge of how the C90's digital out works from your original post. Thanks all for the quick responses, nice to see people are still hanging round here, it's been a while since I've seen any activity! Bobby -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? >"the C90's "digital" output is really SPDIF so it isn't true digital >signals as such. It's converted first from digital to analog in the deck >itself, then converted to a digital signal AGAIN to send to the >processor ( 4000x in your case, 210eq in mine) where the processor has >to decode back to analog AGAIN. :P all this converting can't be good... Ah, no. Here's a schematic snippet from the C90... http://www.matronics.com/xdp-4000x/C90DigitalOutput.jpg Pure digital... Matt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Feb 01, 2005
> >Thanks Matt, that's what I was looking for. > >One Park, maybe you should make an edit to your original post on CA, it >wasn't my intention to bash or flame you by making this post, I just saw >something that I believed to be incorrect, and wanted to double check >before I opened my mouth. Make the edit now so we won't have to listen >to others repeat their 'newly acquired' knowledge of how the C90's >digital out works from your original post. > >Thanks all for the quick responses, nice to see people are still hanging >round here, it's been a while since I've seen any activity! > >Bobby > Bah, if you know how that forum works, then you would've realised by now it's way too late to make amends. lol anyway, i thank everyone for the insight and correction. :) now, can anyone tell me if the U50D's preout is 2v or 4v? When I swapped the DSP's, the 210 was significantly louder (since I forgot to reduce gain to 0). ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "One Park" <paikiah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Feb 01, 2005
>Thanks Matt ... proof in the pudding that the dude from that other forum >knows nothing about electronics and should be shot for making uneducated >guesses. > >Adios, >Tony How about I shoot you in the noggin instead? I relayed was what I was told, now apparently false info. Excuse me for making an error. Geez. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Antoniou" <larz(at)s054.aone.net.au>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Feb 01, 2005
If you did what Bobby did and check with other sources as to the truth behind "what you were told", then you wouldn't have made the error that some other unsuspecting reader could've also believed. Just half the problem with the internet unfortunately. Adios, Tony --------------- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-xdp4000x-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of One Park Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? How about I shoot you in the noggin instead? I relayed was what I was told, now apparently false info. Excuse me for making an error. Geez. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 01, 2005
From: Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com>
Subject: I-Mac Mini fits in 1-Din Dash Opening! Who's going to try
it? 0.51 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark OK. I love my C90 and XDP-4K. About the only thing that could replace it is a computer with a large HD and a killer soundcard. Well, the new IMac Mini is 6.5" wide, and is rumored to fit in a 1-Din space! This is Mac's latest offering, and I believe it has a 1.6GHz G5 processor, and 256MB of RAM, and a "slot load" CD/DVD Superdrive. Starts at $500, too!!!! A 160GB hard drive is optional, as is wireless "Airport" networking card. I could see the possibilities opening up as soon as I found this out! You can use a 7" - 9" touch-screen LCD as your primary Video/mouse, and have a compact wireless keyboard stashed under the seat. So, my question is - is it possible to run something like "Garage Band" (Mac's multi-track audio software), and a multi output FireWire soundcard, and end up with 8 discreet channels, and have simular processing like the XDP-4000k has? I am VERY familiar with the PC side, and Nuendo (a $1200 Audio Program) that is likely far superior to "Garage Band" (I'm also an Audio Engineer/Producer/Musician). I am not sure how I could configure the Mac's software to do what I need. Since I have no clue about "Garage Band's" functionallity I'm not too sure if this would work. I'm thinking I could open "Garage Band", and open 4 stereo audio tracks. I would assign all 4 stereo tracks to the I-Mac's "Wave out" bus (I don't even know how the soundcard assignments work in a Mac - but if it is simular to a PC, this should work). I'm hoping this will send a duplicate of the digital MP3 or CD audio (from I-Tunes jukebox program, etc) to all 4 stereo tracks of Garage Band (no audio has actually left the Mac yet, and all 4 stereo tracks in Garage Band are receiving an identical stereo input from the I-Tunes Jukebox software). Then, I will add "plug-ins" to each stereo track within "Garage Band". Stereo Track 1 would get a fully-variable HP filter (HP crossover), and a parametric EQ. Stereo Track 2 would get a BP filter, and a parametric EQ. Same for Stereo Tracks 3 and 4 (Low-Pass filter on channel 4 for subs). This would allow any crossover configuration, and as much EQ as you could ever need. These 4 pairs of "Processed" channels would then be assigned to the 8-output Firewire soundcard (just like the XDP-4000x's configuration). The Firewire Soundcard would then feed the amps directly with it's analog outputs - 1 analog channel from the Soundcard for each channel of amplification. Are you seeing what I'm saying? So, any Mac guys out there? Is this feasible? I'd say just take the Toslink SPDIF out of the Imac into the XDP-4000x, BUT I would still need a Sony Unilink Head Unit for Volume and on/off/preset control of the XDP (also, a Mac can not run the Sony DSC program for XDP-4k parameter editing). If I go with the IMac Mini, it would be my entire front-end. I would not want the IMac combined with a standard Sony Head Unit. Am I totally insane? I know there is a way this could work on PC - but I have NEVER worked with a MAC. (And a PC won't fit in a 1-Din opening with a slot-load CD-Burner !). I have built 2-3 PC's, and I am fairly knowledgeable on advanced PC audio production, and I obviously "DIY" my own Car Stereo Installs, too. I think I am a good candidate to try this - but I need more info first. If only someone could make an application to control the XDP-4K's Volume/Power/Presets from a computer (like a USB-to-Unilink converter), that would essentially extend the XDP-4K's lifespan indefinitely IMO (the C90 WILL eventually die, the XDP is much more robust, and no moving parts, etc). Oh well, I think we KNOW this will never happen from Sony. So unless a 3rd party develops something like this, we will never see it. Any ideas or links? -- Randy V. Houston, TX Audio-Dude/Musician/Crazy Guy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 01, 2005
From: Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: I-Mac Mini fits in 1-Din Dash Opening. Who's going
to try it? A few of my Mac Mini specs were wrong. See here for info: http://www.apple.com/macmini/ I was also told this idea *should* work, and there are more appropriate programs for this (opposed to Garage Band). There is also another program to allow I-Tunes to send its digital audio to another application within OSX (for all of the audio processing and routing, etc). The M-Audio Firewire 410 soundcard should do the trick, too! It has 10 analog outs, and 2 analog ins, and descent converters. I'm still researching, and I appreciate any input you guys may have... ESPECIALLY on touch-screen LCD displays for auto Computer use. I'm looking to eliminate a Mouse if possible (or at least have a touch-screen AND an electro-static finger-pad in the console). I'm so lost on Mobile Video equipment, Touch-Screen technology, and everything that is "Mac". I'll talk PC's, Pro-Audio gear, and Broadcast Video Equipment all day long! But, It is looking promising :-) Later, Randy V. Houston, TX Audiophile/Musician/Crazy Guy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NOTGSXR(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 01, 2005
Subject: Re: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
In a message dated 1/31/2005 11:30:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark_laird(at)hotmail.com writes: All I know for sure is that my system sounds better with the 4000x than it did with the 210, or without any processor. Mark X 10 :D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 02, 2005
From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" <ldivinag(at)csuhayward.edu>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/01/05
>mark_laird(at)hotmail.com writes: >All I know for sure is that my system sounds better with the 4000x >than it did with the 210, or without any processor. the DAC on the 4k is wayyyyyy better than the 210. speaking of which, if anyone has a spare XR-C900 head unit, i'll gladly take it off your hand. heck, i'll take a working faceplate off the C900 if you have it. been ebaying and i missed out on 3 diff ones... GRRRRRRRR ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 02, 2005
From: Ethan <telmnstr(at)757.org>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/01/05
> the DAC on the 4k is wayyyyyy better than the 210. Are they pin compatible with each other? Guess I will have to download the service manual for the 4k and check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XDP4000X-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/01/05
Date: Feb 04, 2005
> > > > the DAC on the 4k is wayyyyyy better than the 210. > >Are they pin compatible with each other? > Pin compatible? Meaning can you swap out an 210EQ for a 4k? Yes. Any unit that can control the 210EQ (any UniLink master that has "DSP Control" essentially) can also control the 4000x. There are some exceptions but that would mainly pertain to the very early UniLink masters which were designed to go with the U50D only. (For instance my MDX-400, if I were using it as a master with it's pre-amp box cannot properly control the 210EQ and it would follow that it can't control the 4000X, but it can control the U50D properly). Roland M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: C90's Digital output really analog at heart?
Date: Feb 04, 2005
>From: Ethan <telmnstr(at)757.org> >Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: XDP4000X-List: C90's Digital output really analog at heart? >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:01:59 -0500 (EST) > > > > Really? The DAC's in the C90 are better than the 4000x? That's a >revelation > > ... not that I even went to that extent for my set up. > >I just ran across this while looking for info on the serial port on the >XDP-210EQ: > >U50D - Has a 1-bit DAC >210EQ - Has tri 20-bit burr brown DACs >4000x - Has quad 24-bit Crystal DACs >C910 - Has dual 20-bit burr brown DACs >C90 - Has dual 20-Bit burr brown DACs > >I think the top one is sarcasm? > Some of the info rhat has floated around the internet about the D/As in this unit are incorrect. I believe the main D/As in the U50D were 18-bit and incorporated something called SCORE to achieve the DSP soundfields (SCORE stood for Subliminal COREellation, IIRC). The 210EQ does NOT have 20-bit Burr-Brown D/As. I did research on the actual chips inside before and posted what they were--if you look in the list archives you should find my post. It uses two, 20-bit (I think it was 20-bit) AK D/As (AK is a Japanese company I can't remember what AK stood for but it is in my post about it from before). These two D/As run the Front and Rear outputs, one per L/R pair. The third D/A was a Texas Instruments I think, can't remember 100% but again the CORRECT info is in that post I made, and it is 16-bit. This D/A is used for the Subwoofer outputs. The AK D/As use Delta-Sigma modulation, the TI one does not. Roland M. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 210EQ D/A info, link to...
Date: Feb 04, 2005
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