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; connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orang e (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. & gt; &g t; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for a rbitra tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike"
BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm ore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircra ft ================================================================== Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featu ring P roducts For Aircraft Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a comp lete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut d own when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle@matron ics.co m -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bo bbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resist or sho > ; uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original me ssage -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some > ; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you n eed to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf g t; ; What Phatbox Said: h ttp://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to h ave op erational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle g t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his s ystem. The connections are th e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device conf
igurat ions. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initializatio n. Wit hout the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" g &g t; t; ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft gt; R Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k > ; since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to pa rt wit h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt BR ; Drall e dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some & gt; &g t; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a gt; little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What P hatbox Said: http://www.m > ; atro ni cs.com/xdp 4000x/ SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle BR ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his sy stem. The connections are th e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti ons R (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-devi & gt; &g t; ce con figurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device i nitial ization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox sho uld th en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft gt; g t; ================================================================== Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics. com/ W WW | Featuring Products For Aircraft g t; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for ; me BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not wo rking: Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not ma tter b ut I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit? Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? -------------- Original message -------------- From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net g t; Yes , and I even reinsta lled t he firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is gt; g t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of t he Son y Phatbox firmware?
Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote : -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the pr oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a worki ng spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm ; running out of options here. Can anybody help? gt; R -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable iss ue. Be low are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground a nd the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: Wha t Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf gt; What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
Use the drawing that m atches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from M ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec t a 1 0k res istor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can b e seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work g t; with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us ed for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all ti mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" Matt G Drall e | Ma & gt; &g t; tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as sugge sted and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of inform ation. &g t; > ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle gt; R Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* & gt; &g t; the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cab le you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbe rs and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf & gt; De pend ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr ough P hatManager). Matt Dralle Fo r refe rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the co lors a re different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 a nd an unmodified cable will work gt; g t ; with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. g t; Aft er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR & gt; &g t; ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | BR ; 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ================================================================== Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 ; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ cts For Aircraft Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's p l ugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics. com -- XDP4000X-List message p osted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x g t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that res istor should've been 10k ohm s inst ead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w illing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are t wo links to some information on ho w the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for re ference only and you might find BR ; you n eed to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf & gt; &g t; What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle g t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way b ack wh en: gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox conne ctor. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodi fied c able will work with any multi-device conf igurat ions. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He wo uld know best ab out us ing the C90. Regards, Mike" Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-6 06-628 1 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets an d the C90only c ommuni cates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. BR ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Drall e dralle(at)matronics.com & gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding BR ; and what not might be different depending on the ve rsion of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and w hat not: What Matt Found on his cable: > ; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp 4000x/ SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw are (u pgradeable through PhatManager). Matt D rall e For reference, here is a messag e from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti ons R (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cab le sho uld work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device c onfigu rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. ; The problem is with the bus master signal. I t is a n input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBo x sho uld th en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.c om Ema il http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ====================================================== ====== ====== ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft g t; matron ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C A | 94 551 > ; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.co m Emai l http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft QUOTE Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ist/se arch Matt G Dralle | Matroni cs | P O Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any longer (and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs. I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog audio from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand sinc e I al ways used the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs) I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and I don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight. So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Drall e dral le(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line down and never letting anyone else init. Matt At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from it split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes: Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int o the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up fin e and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB. XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB. XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB. XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB. XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB. > ; gt; g t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the system without the PB. Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem is...lol Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system, but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB & gt; ca ble from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was made by Phatnoise) or age o f the cable so I don't know how recent it has been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that were made before the modification was put in place. I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been! Ahhhh! -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equi pment. Well, unless you miss wire something... :-) The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla ve on the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has a class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some examples: CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300 MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box) Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that pa rticul ar device to use. The address is a combination of the device class (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo w nibb le). An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address negotiation. The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity to all of the slaves down stream until i t rece ives an address from the HU. On the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream, so ; negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3. The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain. That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while to figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the addressing that way, but I did n't re ally get an answer back. I've written an embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible microco ntroll er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100% compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly Phatbox could. If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else. Matt At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try. g t; ;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a XA-C30 if you pr &g t; > ; omise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-) Matt At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working: Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the > ; it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP400 0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged > ; in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? - ------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > ; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the versi on of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp40 00x/So nyCable5.pd f Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle gt; g t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are diffe rent. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). g t; ; The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus m &g t; > ;aster signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to g t; ; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 & gt; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft BR ; Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 S ony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a g t; ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly co nnecte d to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configuration s. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and t hen shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should > ; listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m atroni cs.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ================================================================== Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air craft Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... gt; ; -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 vers ion of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. g t; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle g & gt; t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to conne ct a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmo dified cable will work with any multi-device conf g t; igurat ions. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be st abo ut using the C90. Regards, Mike" & gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as gt; suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a worki ng spa re Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Drall e dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be differ ent de pendi ng on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp 4000x/ SonyCable5.pdf ; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anyth ing el se, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We chang ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti ons R (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. & gt; An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w orks w ith simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox sho http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > ; g t; gt; ; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working: Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower dow n it s eemed that they fixed that with a fir mware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit? Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? -------------- Original message -------------- From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut s down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recogn ized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of t he Son y Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and th e C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to par t with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm ; running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor be tween ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: Wha t Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little diffe rent. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from M ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We chang ed cab le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if f irmwar e 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work g t; with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initial ize it self. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen g t; to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" Matt G Drall e | Ma tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni & gt; cs .com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. ; Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle Fo r refe rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to co nnect & gt; a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work g t; ; gt; g t; with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device ini tializ ation. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ================================================================== ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's pl ugged in. I find it odd that the Phatb ox can still be recognize d and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net ; Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm s inst ead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that so meone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbo x-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for re ference only and you might find you n eed to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle g t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to g t; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as s u ggest ed and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only c ommuni cates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody hel p? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Drall e dralle@matron ics.co m -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding BR ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you ; have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phat box Sa id: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp 4000x/ SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little ; different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Drall e For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are t he sam e but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti ons R (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will ; work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. I & gt; t is a n input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox sho uld th en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regardi ng pus hing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http ://www .matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ================================================================== gt; ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft g t; matron ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo x 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@mat ronics .com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try. So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP 4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-) Matt At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net What do you kn ow abo ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him t he last time about the 4.7k resistor not working: Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit? Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? -------------- Original message ----------- --- R From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the BR ; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-Li st mes sage posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to gt; ; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? > ; -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted b y: Mat t Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not mi ght be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com & gt; &g t; /xdp40 00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your in stalla tion. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For r eferen ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers s ince M att purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orang e (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmod ified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master s ignal. It is an input. It is used for g t; ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few second s. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" gt; Ma tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dr alle@m atronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as th e Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. gt; g t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable dir ect fr om the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle@ matron ics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: BR ; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little d iffere nt. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from Mike W oo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orang e (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when direc tly co nnected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work > ; with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for a rbitra tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox sho uld th en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ================================================================== BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a comp lete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can c ontrol it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatb ox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bo bbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested > ; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original me ssage -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X -List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you n eed to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf ; g t; ; What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5 .pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle g t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are th e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work BR with any multi-device conf igurat ions. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initializatio n. Wit hout the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the & gt; right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft gt; R Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... a s soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What P hatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp 4000x/ ; SonyCable5.pdf &g t; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are th e same but the colors are di fferent. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have att ached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti ons R (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us ed for arbitration during device i nitial ization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initial ize it self. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox sho uld th en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor e | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft gt; g t; ================================================================== &g t; Mat t G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft g t; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matroni cs.com /xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that m atches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). ; Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from M ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the bl ue (bu s master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can b e seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when dir ectly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work g t; with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox ha s trou ble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen g t; ; to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" Matt G Drall e | Ma tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed a s suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my gt; 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of inform ation. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com &g t; > ; BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cab le you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbe rs and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: ; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Sa id: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr ough P hatManager). Matt Dralle g t; Fo r refe rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are diff erent. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simpl e multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 a nd an unmodified cable will work gt; g t; with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during de vice i nitialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | BR ; 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > ; ================================================================== Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live rmore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's p l ugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x wh ich is shut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x g t; powers down, the system reset s and the C90 only communicates with the > ; Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm s inst ead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle BR ; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on ho w the Phatbox-Sony cables are wi red. N ote that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for re ference only and you might find you n eed to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf ; What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. > ; gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle g t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi se way back when: gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). > ; The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox conne ctor. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmod ified cable will work with any multi-device conf igurat ions. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boo t and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He wo uld know best about using the C90. g t; Regards, Mike" Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system reset s and the C90only c ommuni cates with the Ph atbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. BR ; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Drall e dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle ; Okay , here's some help on thi s cabl e issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding BR ; and what not might be different depending on the ve rsion of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: gt; g t; http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp 4000x/ SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw are (u pgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Drall e For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo o at P hatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I &g t; have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti ons R (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device c onfigu ra tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. I t is a n input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble know ing wh en is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox sho uld th en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. BR ; Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ================================================================== ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-100 1 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft g t; matron ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C A | 94 551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft QUOTE gt; & gt; &g t; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes: Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB. XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C 30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB. XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB. XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB. XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB. Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the system without the PB. &g t;
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo x is s hut down and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both sidesbesides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem is...lol Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system, but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original PBcable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been &g t; made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that were made before the modification was put in place. g t; ;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been! Ahhhh! -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well, unless you miss wire something... :-) The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first C DChang er slave on the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has a class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some examples: *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The gt; g t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his ca ble: BR http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. gt; Us &g t; > ; e the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable ma nufact urers since Matt purchased his system. The g t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed descri ption of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device co nfigur ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. gt; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when > ; is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should the n forc e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606 -6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft BR Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as sugg ested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that so meone woul dn't m ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com & gt; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color ; coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little ; with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Sa id: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf ; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle Fo r refe rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the sa me but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmw are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmod ified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The g t; PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So f rustra ting, the C9 0 know s the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 0 7:27 P M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x > ; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t hat http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little diff erent. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If yo u are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle g t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I ; have attached a PDF with a detailed descri ption of the connections (So nyCabl e5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device conf igurat ions. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when gt; is ; the right time t o initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produc ts For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still t here..
. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn 't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Drall e dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle & gt; BR Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. g t; The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp 4000x/ SonyCab le5.pd f Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. ; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires . I have attach ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti ; ons R (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatB ox has tro uble k nowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox sho uld th en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email ; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ================================================================== Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft g t; What do you know abou t the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working: Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w as tha t in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit? ; Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? -------------- Original message -------------- From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe never it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... - ------ ------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of t he Son y Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had t he cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some g t; g t; inf ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: Wha t Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: & gt; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from M ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a > ; g t; ; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). g t; ; The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work g t; with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for a rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-d own th e signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox ; shou ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" Matt G Drall e | Ma tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle @matro nics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft & gt; We ll I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. gt; St ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone BR ; gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original messa ge --- ----------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will gt; need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The g t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbe rs and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox -Cable -Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are y ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle Fo r refe rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connec tions are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son g t; ;gt; y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work gt; g t; with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. I t is a n input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. ; After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a r eset a fter a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea turing Products For Aircraft ========================================== ====== ================== Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics .com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's pl ugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still b e reco gnized and gt; g t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of the S ony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soo n as t he Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x & gt; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm s inst ead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle - - XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two l inks to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for re ference only and you might find you n eed to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin nu mbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.c om/xdp 4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle g t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back ; when: gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF w ith a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will wor k with any multi-device conf igurat io ns. http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon a s the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only c ommuni cates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k s ince there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm r unning out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Drall e dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding BR ; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: gt; Wh at Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp &g t; > ; 4000x/ SonyCable5.pdf g t; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Drall e For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa y back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect gt; a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti ons R (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. g t; ; The problem is with the bus master signal. I t is a ; n input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pu ll-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox sho uld th en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 g t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60 6-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > ; ==== ============================================================== ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft g t; matron gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-60 6-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft & gt; I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try. So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Drall e dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging g t; the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I'v e ever tried plugging the Phatbox directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-) Matt At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net What do you kn ow abo ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the o nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contac ted hi m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working: & gt; Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit? Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? -------------- Original message ----------- gt; g t; --- http://www.matro nics.c om/xdp4000x/U nilink -To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your in stalla tion. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable ma nufact urers since Matt purchased his system. The g t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orang e (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with t he bus master signal. I t is a n input. It is used BR ; for g t; ; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" gt; Ma tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94 551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Ema il h ttp:// www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. gt; g t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someon e wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm runnin ; g out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a > ; little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http: / /www.m atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little d iffere nt. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). & gt; Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable man ufactu rers since Matt purchased his s ystem. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orang e (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi -devic e configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with th e bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for a rbitra tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, & gt; Mi ke" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm ore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ matron ics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircra ft ================================================================== Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware an d did a comp lete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd t hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut d own when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: - - XDP4 000X-List message posted by: bo bbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resist or sho uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can a nybody help? -------------- Original me ssage -------------- From: Matt Dralle -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you n eed to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf g t; ; What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use t he dra wing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to h ave op erational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle g t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We chan ged ca ble manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are th e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbe rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device conf igurat ions. The problem is with the bus m aster signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initializatio n. Wit hout the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox g t; sho uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" g t; ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email &g t; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft gt; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What P hatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp 4000x/ SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle BR ; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way ba ck whe "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are th e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti ons R (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They c an be seen on the PhatBox connector. An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-devi ce con figurations. > ; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device i nitial ization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox sho uld th en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho wever, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matr onics. com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft gt; g t; ================================================================== Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircr aft g t; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for ; me BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not wo rking: Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up date? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit? Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? -------------- Original message --- ------ ----- From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net g t; Yes , and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is gt; g t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle &g t; Are you running the 7.0 version of t he Son y Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote : -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the pr oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the ; Phat box. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they' re wil ling to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm ; running out of options here. Can anybody help? gt; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf gt; What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that m atches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgra deable through PhatManager). Matt Dralle For reference, here is a message from M ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec t a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can b http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as sugge sted and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh ms ins tead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of inform ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle gt; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depend ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Son y firm ware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operat ional issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr ough P hatManager). Matt Dralle Fo r refe rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf). The numbers can not be seen on the Son y conn ector. They can be seen on the g t; ; PhatBox connector. > ; An u nmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 a nd an unmodified cable will work gt; g t; with any multi-device configurations. The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. g t; Aft er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo u shou ld listen to M att regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | BR ; 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ================================================================== Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 ; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ cts Fo & gt;r A ircraft Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's p l ugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message p osted by: Matt Dralle Are you running the 7.0 vers > ; ion of the Sony Phatbox firmware? Matt At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x g t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm s inst ead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w illing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bo ttom o f a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on ho w the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for re ference only and you might find BR ; you n eed to int erpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Dral le
g t; g t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 92 5-6 06-628 1 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only c ommuni cates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information. BR ; Anyone out there with a wor king spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn' t mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Drall e dralle(at)matronics.com -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding BR ; and what not might be differe nt dep ending on the ve rsion of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a littl e with respect to colors and pin numbers and w hat not: What Matt Found on his cable: http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf What Phatbox Said: http://www.m atroni cs.com/xdp 4000x/ SonyCable5.pdf Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation. Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are go ing to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw are (u pgradeable through PhatManager). Matt Drall e For reference, here is a messag e from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti ons An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device c onfigu rations. I'm not sure if fi rmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations. ; The problem is with the bus master signal. I t is a n input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself. After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox sho uld th en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho wever, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. Regards, Mike" BR ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.c om Ema il http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ================================================================== ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email htt p://ww w.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft g t; matron ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download g t; ; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C A | 94 551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.co m Emai l http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft http://www.ma tronic s.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ist/se arch Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email g t; htt p://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ====== ====================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?!
Date: Apr 19, 2006
It WORKS!!!! After lots of tinkering I finally got it to play, and it's works flawlessly and sounds just as good as I'd expect! The only thing I can think of that was causing it to act funny last night was maybe because I had a low battery which in the end caused all of the oddities with my equipment, because everything works as it should now including the analog outputs on my CD Changer... My optima battery is on it's 7th year now, and my alternator doesn't do very well when running at idle so after all the tinkering last night, when I went to start my car this AM the battery was dead. The first thing I did this morning was hook up my XM adapter to test my analog inputs on the processor, and it worked perfectly (almost too perfectly considering I cancelled my service back in December and it's still working ha ha...) And is it just me, or does XM sound even WORSE than ever?!! I can't believe I ever even paid for service that sounded so bad. Wow. Even though right now I could listen to it for free, after hearing how bad it sounds I know I'd never even bother turning it on, so right now it's unhooked and boxed up in my closet for storage until I find someone who wants to take it off my hands lol. Matt I want to thank you so much for all your help with this, I never would've figured it out on my own! After running into all these problems maybe we did learn a little something about how the Phatbox intergrates into a Sony system. First off, the reset line has to be cut in order for a PB to work with a processor, but seems to work fine as a single Unilink source directly connected to a compatible head unit with the reset wire still connected. And another thing that came up before that I'd like to point out, the Phatbox does work when directly connected to my 4000x. I do not have my XA-C30 permanently installed yet so the PB is my only external music source at this time. I am now curious however if the thing would've worked fine without the pulldown resistor installed if the reset line had been cut the entire time. Regardless, wow what an ordeal and I'm so glad it's over. Now a couple questions about usage. How much should I be concerned about heat, cold and vibration affecting the DMS cartridge? Where I live there are some extreme cold temperatures, and we all know how hot it can get in the trunk of a car. I have it mounted with rubber grommets on a wooden carpeted surface, so vibration should be at a minimum but I just thought I'd ask since you've been using one of these for a while. And another thing, is there an easy way to navigate through the countless number of albums you have at your disposal? I haven't really sat down to use the thing yet, and haven't even listened to an entire song yet, so I'm just wondering if there are any tricks to setting it up to get the most out of the unit? Thanks again for everything, now I can't wait to go on a long roadtrip and listen to an endless amount of music! HA HA HA! -------------- Original message -------------- From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get any > audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The > only reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to > the phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded > horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being > played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the > crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full > and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to > play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more, I > really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want to > send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last C90 > I sent them... > > I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other > equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more, > but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the > PB. > > ------------- Original message -------------- > From: Matt Dralle > > > > > > > Great news! > > > > Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs > > Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with > > all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then > > press that reset button. > > > > Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed > > EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover > > settings off or highly attenuated. > > > > Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory > > locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU. > > > > Almost there! > > > > Matt > > > > > > At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote: > > > > > >Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in > my > > system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my > > processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer > > (and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of > > the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull > highs. > > > > > >I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog > audio > > from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer > > either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always > used > > the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs) > > > > > >I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on > > since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my > > system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and > I > > don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight. > > > > > >So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially > > convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said > > before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken > inside > > of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check > > everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress... > > > > > > > > >-------------- Original message -------------- > > >From: Matt Dralle > > > > > >> > > >> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that > > line > > >> down and never letting anyone else init. > > >> > > >> Matt > > >> > > >> > > >> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote: > > >> > > > >> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, > > short > > >> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then > from > > it > > >> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a > list > > >> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes: > > >> > > > >> >Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB > powers > > >> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB. > > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of > C30: > > PB > > >> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees > the > > PB. > > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of > C30, > > >> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and > > >> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB. > > >> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of > C30, > > >> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and > XM > > >> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB. > > >> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input > of > > >> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both > > disappear, > > >> C90 only sees the PB. > > >> > > > >> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected > into > > the > > >> system without the PB. > > >> > > > >> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut > > down > > >> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both > sides > > >> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a > > >> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the > > problem > > >> is...lol > > >> > > > >> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your > system, > > >> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going > > to > > >> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset > line > > >> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB > > >> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other > than > > it > > >> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it > has > > >> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables > > that > > >> were made before the modification was put in place. > > >> > > > >> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I > finished > > >> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've > been! > > >> Ahhhh! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >-------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >From: Matt Dralle > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher > > >> >> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. > > Well, > > >> >> unless you miss wire something... :-) > > >> >> > > >> >> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger > > slave > > >> on > > >> >> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus > (UB) > > has > > >> a > > >> >> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along > with > > >> some > > >> >> examples: > > >> >> > > >> >> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300 > > >> >> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box) > > >> >> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner > > >> >> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble > > >> >> > > >> >> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for > > each > > >> >> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with > > "I'm > > >> >> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that > > >> >> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device > class > > >> >> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble). > > >> >> > > >> >> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is > > >> powered > > >> >> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing > > >> >> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a > > protocol > > >> >> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus > > >> address > > >> >> negotiation. > > >> >> > > >> >> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the > bus. > > >> The > > >> >> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically > what > > >> >> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus > > >> connectivity > > >> >> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the > HU. > > On > > >> >> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the > > stream, > > >> so > > >> >> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3. > > >> >> > > >> >> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD > > >> Changer > > >> >> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly > plugged > > >> into > > >> >> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain. > > >> >> > > >> >> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting > with > > the > > >> >> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I > > >> wanted > > >> >> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a > > while > > >> to > > >> >> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the > > >> >> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've > written > > an > > >> >> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an > 8051-compatible > > >> >> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is > 100% > > >> >> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do > it, > > >> surly > > >> >> Phatbox could. > > >> >> > > >> >> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here > > on > > >> my > > >> >> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something > else. > > >> >> > > >> >> Matt > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I > > tried > > >> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last > time > > I > > >> did > > >> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value > > resistor > > >> >> could be the problem, huh? > > >> >> > > > >> >> >-------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >From: Matt Dralle > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am > > >> plugging > > >> >> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically > > >> >> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the > > >> Phatbox > > >> >> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some > point, > > but > > >> I > > >> >> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning > you > > a > > >> >> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-) > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Matt > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? > This > > is > > >> the > > >> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the > > >> >> modification > > >> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the > > unit > > >> for > > >> >> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor > > not > > >> >> >> working: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should > do > > >> the > > >> >> job > > >> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was > > that > > >> in > > >> >> the > > >> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do > this > > >> >> because > > >> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im > > not > > >> sure > > >> >> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work > > when > > >> >> >> directly connected to the head unit? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >-------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system > > >> reset > > >> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the > > Phatbox > > >> is > > >> >> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down > > >> >> whenever > > >> >> >> it's > > >> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized > > and > > >> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down > > when > > >> the > > >> >> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > Matt > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister > > installed > > >> as > > >> >> >> >> suggested > > >> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is > > plugged > > >> in > > >> >> my > > >> >> >> >> 4000x > > >> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates > with > > the > > >> >> >> Phatbox. > > >> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead > > of > > >> 4.7k > > >> >> >> since > > >> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable > they're > > >> >> willing > > >> >> >> to > > >> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB > > that > > >> >> someone > > >> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the > > factory? > > >> >> I'm > > >> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two > links > > to > > >> >> some > > >> >> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note > that > > >> you > > >> >> >> *will > > >> >> >> >> > need* > > >> >> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note > > the > > >> >> color > > >> >> >> >> coding > > >> >> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of > > cable > > >> you > > >> >> >> have. > > >> >> >> >> > The > > >> >> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to > > >> >> interpolate > > >> >> >> a > > >> >> >> >> > little > > >> >> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable: > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said: > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be > a > > >> little > > >> >> >> >> > different. > > >> >> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If > you > > >> are > > >> >> >> using > > >> >> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with > > the > > >> >> >> xdp-4000x. > > >> >> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through > > >> >> >> PhatManager). > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise > way > > >> back > > >> >> >> when: > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his > > system. > > >> The > > >> >> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You > want > > to > > >> >> >> connect > > >> >> >> >> a > > >> >> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange > (ground) > > >> wires. > > >> >> I > > >> >> >> >> have > > >> >> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections > > >> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can > be > > >> seen > > >> >> on > > >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector. > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a > > head > > >> >> unit. > > >> >> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple > > >> multi-device > > >> >> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an > unmodified > > >> cable > > >> >> >> will > > >> >> >> >> > work > > >> >> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations. > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It > > is > > >> used > > >> >> >> for > > >> >> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the > pull-down > > >> the > > >> >> >> signal > > >> >> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble > > >> knowing > > >> >> when > > >> >> >> is > > >> >> >> >> > the > > >> >> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself. > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then > shutdown. > > >> The > > >> >> >> PhatBox > > >> >> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you > > should > > >> >> >> listen > > >> >> >> >> to > > >> >> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using > > the > > >> C90. > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Regards, > > >> >> >> >> > >> Mike" > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | > 94551 > > >> >> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For > Aircraft > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister > > installed > > >> as > > >> >> >> >> suggested > > >> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is > > plugged > > >> in > > >> >> my > > >> >> >> >> 4000x > > >> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with > > the > > >> >> >> Phatbox. > > >> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead > > of > > >> 4.7k > > >> >> >> since > > >> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable > they're > > >> >> willing > > >> >> >> to > > >> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB > > that > > >> >> someone > > >> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the > > factory? > > >> >> I'm > > >> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two > links > > to > > >> >> some > > >> >> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note > that > > you > > >> >> *will > > >> >> >> >> > need* > > >> >> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note > the > > >> color > > >> >> >> >> coding > > >> >> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of > > cable > > >> you > > >> >> >> have. > > >> >> >> >> > The > > >> >> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to > > >> >> interpolate a > > >> >> >> >> > little > > >> >> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > http://www.m > > >> >> >> >> > > atroni > > >> >> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a > > >> little > > >> >> >> >> > different. > > >> >> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If > you > > are > > >> >> using > > >> >> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with > the > > >> >> >> xdp-4000x. > > >> >> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through > > >> >> >> PhatManager). > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise > way > > >> back > > >> >> >> when: > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his > system. > > >> The > > >> >> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You > want > > to > > >> >> >> connect a > > >> >> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) > > >> wires. > > >> >> I > > >> >> >> have > > >> >> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections > > >> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son > > >> >> >> >> > > y conn > > >> >> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the > > >> >> >> >> > > PhatBox connector. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a > > head > > >> >> unit. > > >> >> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple > > >> multi-device > > >> >> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an > unmodified > > >> cable > > >> >> >> will > > >> >> >> >> > work > > >> >> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It > is > > >> used > > >> >> for > > >> >> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the > pull-down > > the > > >> >> >> signal > > >> >> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble > > knowing > > >> >> when > > >> >> >> is > > >> >> >> >> > the > > >> >> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then > shutdown. > > The > > >> >> >> PhatBox > > >> >> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you > > should > > >> >> listen > > >> >> >> to > > >> >> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using > the > > >> C90. > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > Regards, > > >> >> >> >> > > Mike" > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > < > > >> >> >> >> > > BR>> > > >> >> >> >> > >; > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | > 94551 > > >> >> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For > Aircraft > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > >================================================================== > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system > > >> reset > > >> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the > > Phatbox > > >> is > > >> >> >> there, > > >> >> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down > whenever > > >> it's > > >> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized > > and > > >> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down > when > > >> the > > >> >> >> Phatbox > > >> >> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Matt > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: > > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed > > as > > >> >> >> suggested > > >> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is > plugged > > in > > >> my > > >> >> >> 4000x > > >> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with > > the > > >> >> >> Phatbox. > > >> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead > of > > >> 4.7k > > >> >> >> since > > >> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Anyone out there > > >> >> >> >> with > > >> >> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to > > >> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB > that > > >> >> someone > > >> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the > > factory? > > >> I'm > > >> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help? > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to > > some > > >> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that > you > > >> *will > > >> >> >> >> need* > > >> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the > > color > > >> >> coding > > >> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable > > you > > >> >> have. > > >> >> >> >> The > > >> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find > > >> >> >> >> you n > > >> >> >> >> eed to interpolate a > > >> >> >> >> little > > >> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable: > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said: > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a > > little > > >> >> >> >> different. > > >> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you > are > > >> using > > >> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the > > >> >> xdp-4000x. > > >> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through > > >> >> PhatManager). > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> &g > > >> >> >> >> t; > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way > back > > >> when: > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. > The > > >> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to > > >> connect > > >> >> a > > >> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) > > wires. I > > >> >> have > > >> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections > > >> >> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf). > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be > seen > > on > > >> the > > >> >> >> >> PhatBox connector. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head > > unit. > > >> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple > multi-device > > >> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified > > cable > > >> will > > >> >> >> >> work > > >> >> >> >> with any multi-device conf > > >> >> >> >> igurat > > >> >> >> >> ions. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is > > used > > >> for > > >> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down > the > > >> signal > > >> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble > knowing > > >> when > > >> >> is > > >> >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. > The > > >> >> PhatBox > > >> >> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should > > >> listen > > >> >> to > > >> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the > > C90. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Regards, > > >> >> >> >> Mike" > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> & > > >> >> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For > Aircraft > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed > > as > > >> >> >> suggested > > >> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is > plugged > > in > > >> my > > >> >> >> 4000x > > >> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with > the > > >> >> Phatbox. > > >> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead > of > > >> 4.7k > > >> >> >> since > > >> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > > >> willing > > >> >> to > > >> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB > that > > >> >> someone > > >> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the > > factory? > > >> I'm > > >> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help? > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> >> From: Matt > > >> >> >> >> Drall > > >> >> >> >> e dralle(at)matronics.com > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to > > some > > >> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that > you > > >> *will > > >> >> >> >> need* > > >> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the > > color > > >> >> coding > > >> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable > > you > > >> >> have. > > >> >> >> >> The > > >> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to > > interpolate > > >> a > > >> >> >> >> little > > >> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable: > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said: > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> http://www.m > > >> >> >> >> atroni > > >> >> >> >> cs.com/xdp > > >> >> >> >> 4000x/ > > >> >> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a > > little > > >> >> >> >> different. > > >> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you > are > > >> using > > >> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the > > >> >> xdp-4000x. > > >> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through > > >> >> PhatManager). > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way > back > > >> when: > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. > The > > >> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to > > >> connect > > >> >> a > > >> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) > > wires. I > > >> >> have > > >> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti > > >> >> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf). > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son > > >> >> >> >> y conn > > >> >> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the > > >> >> >> >> PhatBox connector. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head > > unit. > > >> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple > multi-device > > >> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified > > cable > > >> will > > >> >> >> >> work > > >> >> >> >> with any multi-device configurations. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is > > used > > >> for > > >> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down > the > > >> signal > > >> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble > knowing > > >> when > > >> >> is > > >> >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. > The > > >> >> PhatBox > > >> >> >> >> sho > > >> >> >> >> uld th > > >> >> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen > to > > >> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the > > C90. > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Regards, > > >> >> >> >> Mike" > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> BR > > >> >> >> >> ; > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> ================================================================== > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> &g > > >> >> >> >> t; > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? > This > > is > > >> the > > >> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in > > >> >> themodification > > >> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the > > unit > > >> for > > >> >> me > > >> >> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not > > >> >> working: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should > do > > >> the > > >> >> job > > >> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was > > that > > >> in > > >> >> the > > >> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do > this > > >> >> because > > >> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im > > not > > >> sure > > >> >> if > > >> >> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work > when > > >> >> directly > > >> >> >> connected to the head unit? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >-------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system > > reset > > >> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the > > Phatbox > > >> is > > >> >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down > > >> whenever > > >> >> >> it's > > >> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized > > and > > >> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down > when > > >> the > > >> >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t > > >> >> >> > he Son > > >> >> >> >y Phatbox firmware? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed > as > > >> >> >> > suggested > > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged > > in > > >> my > > >> >> >> > 4000x > > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with > the > > >> >> >> Phatbox. > > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of > > 4.7k > > >> >> >> since > > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > > willing > > >> to > > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that > > >> someone > > >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the > factory? > > >> I'm > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ; > > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to > > some > > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you > > >> *will > > >> >> >> > need* > > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the > > color > > >> >> >> > coding > > >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable > you > > >> have. > > >> >> >> > The > > >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to > > interpolate > > >> a > > >> >> >> > little > > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Wha > > >> >> >> > t Matt > > >> >> >> > Found on his cable: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a > little > > >> >> >> > different. > > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are > > >> using > > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the > > >> xdp-4000x. > > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through > > >> PhatManager). > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message > > >> >> >> > from M > > >> >> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. > The > > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to > > >> connect > > >> >> >> > a > > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) > wires. > > I > > >> >> >> > have > > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections > > >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen > > on > > >> the > > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head > > unit. > > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple > multi-device > > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified > cable > > >> will > > >> >> >> > work > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > &g > > >> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is > used > > >> for > > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the > > >> signal > > >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing > > when > > >> is > > >> >> >> > the > > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The > > >> PhatBox > > >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should > > >> listen > > >> >> >> > to > > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the > C90. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Regards, > > >> >> >> > Mike" > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt G Drall > > >> >> >> > e | Ma > > >> >> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed > as > > >> >> >> > suggested > > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged > > in > > >> my > > >> >> >> > 4000x > > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with > the > > >> >> Phatbox. > > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of > > 4.7k > > >> >> >> since > > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > > willing > > >> to > > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that > > >> someone > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > & > > >> >> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the > > factory? > > >> >> I'm > > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to > > some > > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you > > >> *will > > >> >> >> > need* > > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the > > color > > >> >> >> > coding > > >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable > you > > >> have. > > >> >> >> > The > > >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to > > interpolate > > >> a > > >> >> >> > little > > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin > > >> >> >> > numbe > > >> >> >> >rs and what not: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > http://www.m > > >> >> >> > atroni > > >> >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a > little > > >> >> >> > different. > > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are > > >> using > > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the > > >> xdp-4000x. > > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through > > >> PhatManager). > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Fo > > >> >> >> > r refe > > >> >> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. > The > > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to > > >> connect > > >> >> a > > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) > wires. > > I > > >> >> have > > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections > > >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son > > >> >> >> > y conn > > >> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the > > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head > > unit. > > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple > multi-device > > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified > cable > > >> will > > >> >> >> > work > > >> >> >> > & > > >> >> >> > gt; &g > > >> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is > used > > >> for > > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the > > >> signal > > >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing > > when > > >> is > > >> >> >> > the > > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The > > >> PhatBox > > >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should > > >> listen > > >> >> to > > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the > C90. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Regards, > > >> >> >> > Mike" > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > BR > > >> >> >> > ; > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | > > >> >> >> > 94551 > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > ================================================================== > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system > > reset > > >> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the > > Phatbox > > >> is > > >> >> >> there, > > >> >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down > whenever > > >> it's > > >> >> >> > pl > > >> >> >> > ugged > > >> >> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and > > >> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down > when > > the > > >> >> >> Phatbox > > >> >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed > as > > >> >> >> suggested > > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged > > in > > >> my > > >> >> >> 4000x > > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with > the > > >> >> Phatbox. > > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm > > >> >> >> > s inst > > >> >> >> >ead of 4.7k since > > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Anyone out there > > >> >> >> > with > > >> >> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to > > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that > > >> someone > > >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the > factory? > > >> I'm > > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to > > some > > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you > > >> *will > > >> >> >> > need* > > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the > > color > > >> >> coding > > >> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable > you > > >> have. > > >> >> >> > The > > >> >> >> > links are > > >> >> >> > for re > > >> >> >> >ference only and you might find > > >> >> >> > you n > > >> >> >> > eed to interpolate a > > >> >> >> > little > > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a > little > > >> >> >> > different. > > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are > > >> using > > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the > > >> xdp-4000x. > > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through > > >> PhatManager). > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > g > > >> >> >> > t; > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way > back > > >> when: > > >> >> >> >& > > >> >> >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his > > >> system. > > >> >> The > > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to > > >> connect > > >> >> a > > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) > wires. > > I > > >> >> have > > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections > > >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen > > on > > >> the > > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head > > unit. > > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple > multi-device > > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified > cable > > >> will > > >> >> >> > work > > >> >> >> > with any multi-device conf > > >> >> >> > igurat > > >> >> >> > ions. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is > used > > >> for > > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the > > >> signal > > >> >> >> > stays > > >> >> >> > high > > >> >> >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is > > >> >> >> > the > > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The > > >> PhatBox > > >> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should > > >> listen > > >> >> to > > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the > C90. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Regards, > > >> >> >> > Mike" > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed > as > > >> >> >> suggested > > >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged > > in > > >> my > > >> >> >> 4000x > > >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c > > >> >> >> > ommuni > > >> >> >> >cates with the Phatbox. > > >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of > > 4.7k > > >> >> since > > >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > > willing > > >> to > > >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that > > >> someone > > >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the > factory? > > >> I'm > > >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >> > From: Matt > > >> >> >> > Drall > > >> >> >> > e dralle(at)matronics.com > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to > > some > > >> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you > > >> *will > > >> >> >> > need* > > >> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the > > color > > >> >> coding > > >> >> >> < > > >> >> >> > BR>> > > >> >> >> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable > > you > > >> >> have. > > >> >> >> > The > > >> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to > > interpolate > > >> a > > >> >> >> > little > > >> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > What Phatbox Said: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > http://www.m > > >> >> >> > atroni > > >> >> >> > cs.com/xdp > > >> >> >> > 4000x/ > > >> >> >> > SonyCable5.pdf > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a > little > > >> >> >> > different. > > >> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are > > >> using > > >> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the > > >> xdp-4000x. > > >> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through > > >> PhatManager). > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt Drall > > >> >> >> > e > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way > back > > >> when: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. > The > > >> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to > > >> connect > > >> >> a > > >> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) > wires. > > I > > >> >> have > > >> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti > > >> >> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf). > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son > > >> >> >> > y conn > > >> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the > > >> >> >> > PhatBox connector. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head > > unit. > > >> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple > multi-device > > >> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified > cable > > >> will > > >> >> >> > work > > >> >> >> > with any multi-device configurations. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I > > >> >> >> > t is a > > >> >> >> >n input. It is used for > > >> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the > > >> signal > > >> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing > > when > > >> is > > >> >> >> > the > > >> >> >> > right time to initialize itself. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The > > >> PhatBox > > >> >> >> > sho > > >> >> >> > uld th > > >> >> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to > > >> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the > C90. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Regards, > > >> >> >> > Mike" > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > BR > > >> >> >> > ; > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > ================================================================== > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ; > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > g > > >> >> >> > t; > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > matron > > >> >> >> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I > > tried > > >> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last > time > > I > > >> did > > >> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value > > resistor > > >> >> could be the problem, huh? > > >> >> > > > >> >> >-------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am > > >> plugging > > >> >> > the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically > > >> >> > C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the > > Phatbox > > >> >> > directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, > > but > > >> I > > >> >> > can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning > you > > a > > >> >> > XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-) > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Matt > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> > > > >> >> > What do you kn > > >> >> > ow abo > > >> >> >ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the > > >> >> > only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the > > >> >> modification > > >> >> > of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the > > unit > > >> for > > >> >> > me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor > not > > >> >> > working: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do > > the > > >> job > > >> >> > 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was > that > > in > > >> >> the > > >> >> > diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this > > >> because > > >> >> > lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im > not > > >> sure > > >> >> > if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work > > when > > >> >> > directly connected to the head unit? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Does this sound like something that could cause a problem? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -------------- Original message ----------- > > >> >> > --- > >R> From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system > reset > > >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox > > is > > >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down > > whenever > > >> >> > it's > > >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and > > >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when > > the > > >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version > > >> >> > of the > > >> >> > Sony Phatbox firmware? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Matt > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as > > >> >> > suggested > > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in > > my > > >> >> > 4000x > > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the > > >> >> > Phatbox. > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of > 4.7k > > >> >> > since > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > willing > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > & > > >> >> > gt;> > > >> >> >; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that > > >> someone > > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? > > I'm > > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to > some > > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you > > >> >> > *will > > >> >> > need* > > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color > > >> >> > coding > > >> >> > and what > > >> >> > not mi > > >> >> >ght be different depending on the version of cable you > > >> >> > have. > > >> >> > The > > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to > interpolate > > >> >> > a > > >> >> > little > > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf > > >> >> > > > >> >> > What Phatbox Said: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little > > >> >> > different. > > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your in > > >> >> > stalla > > >> >> >tion. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are > > >> >> > using > > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the > > >> >> > xdp-4000x. > > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through > > >> >> > PhatManager). > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Matt Dralle > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back > > >> >> > when: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The > > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to > > >> >> > connect > > >> >> > a > > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and > > >> >> > orang > > >> >> >e (ground) wires. I > > >> >> > have > > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections > > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). > > >> >> > > > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > PhatBox connector. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head > unit. > > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device > > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable > > >> >> > will > > >> >> > work > > >> >> > with any multi-device configurations. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used > > >> >> > for > > >> >> > &g > > >> >> > t; > > > >> >> >; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the > > >> >> > signal > > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing > when > > >> >> > is > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > right time to initialize itself. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The > > >> >> > PhatBox > > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should > > >> >> > listen > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Regards, > > >> >> > Mike" > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > & > > >> >> > gt; Ma > > >> >> >tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as > > >> >> > suggested > > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in > > my > > >> >> > 4000x > > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the > > >> >> > Phatbox. > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of > 4.7k > > >> >> > since > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > & > > >> >> > gt; &g > > >> >> >t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're > > willing > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that > > someone > > >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? > > I'm > > >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to > some > > >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you > > *will > > >> >> > need* > > >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue > > >> >> > wire. > > >> >> >Note the color > > >> >> > coding > > >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you > > >> >> > have. > > >> >> > The > > >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to > interpolate > > a > > >> >> > little > > >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf > > >> >> > > > >> >> > What Phatbox Said: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > http://www.m > > >> >> > atroni > > >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little > > >> >> > d > > >> >> > iffere > > >> >> >nt. > > >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are > > using > > >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the > > >> >> > xdp-4000x. > > >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through > > >> >> > PhatManager). > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Matt Dralle > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back > > >> >> > when: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The > > >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to > > >> >> > connect a > > >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and > > >> >> > orang > > >> >> >e (ground) wires. I > > >> >> > have > > >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections > > >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf). > > >> >> > > > >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son > > >> >> > y conn > > >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the > > >> >> > PhatBox connector. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head > unit. > > >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device > > >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable > > >> >> > will > > >> >> > work > > >> >> > with any multi-device configurations. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used > > for > > >> >> > a > > >> >> > rbitra > > >> >> >tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the > > >> >> > signal > > >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing > when > > >> >> > is > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > right time to initialize itself. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The > > >> >> > PhatBox > > >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should > > listen > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Regards, > > >> >> > Mike" > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > BR > > >> >> > ; > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm > > >> >> > ore | > > >> >> >CA | 94551 > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > ================================================================== > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > > >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did > > >> >> > a comp > > >> >> >lete system reset > > >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox > > is > > >> >> > there, > > >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever > > it's > > >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and > > >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when > the > > >> >> > Phatbox > > >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do... > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Matt > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote: > > >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted > > >> >> > by: bo > > >> >> >bbybraun(at)comcast.net > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as > > >> >> > suggested > > >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in > > my > > >> >> > 4000x > > >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the > > >> >> > Phatbox. > > >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of > 4.7k > > >> >> > since > > >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Anyone out there

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