XDP4000X-Archive.digest.vol-bf
- Present
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&
gt; Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
&
gt; &g
t; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct
from t
he factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
codin
g
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
&
gt; 4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
>
;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can b
e seen
on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all
times.
Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO
Box 34
7 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
&
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last
time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e d
ralle@
matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well
its a
pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
&
gt; &g
t;
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don'
t know
what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
&
gt; &g
t; and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
&
gt; &g
t; able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
>
;
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
&g
t; when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
&
gt;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) a
t all
times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering
if tha
t resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
runnin
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
dralle
@matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
&g
t; lit
tle
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation. <
BR>>
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are d
iffere
nt. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
&
gt; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
&g
t; >
; ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with t
he
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho
uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage <
BR>>
; --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
&g
t; >
; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same
but th
e colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
wo
rk
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
&g
t; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony P
B that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwee
n ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
&g
t; htt
p://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
<
;
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
P
hatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
&g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW
| Fea
turing Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
>
;
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like somethi
ng tha
t could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be reco
gnized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-
Sony c
ables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&
gt;&am
p;
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
&
gt; Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be s
een on
the Sony connector. They
can b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only com
munica
tes with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
----------
---- O
riginal message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and
you m
ight find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
&
gt; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
&g
t; >
; configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the Phat
Box is
connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produc
ts For
Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t; >
; Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt D
ralle
dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
&
gt; &g
t;
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
&
gt; The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
&
gt; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
&g
t; >
;
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit
.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time t
o init
ialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-6
06-628
1 F | d
ralle@
matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
&
gt; there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-Li
st mes
sage posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin nu
mbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you usin
g vers
ion 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
&
gt; connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cab
le wil
l
work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
&
gt; en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t;
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matr
on
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.co
m Emai
l
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
<
BR>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
ist/se
arch
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt; &g
t;
Ok, I went ahead andclipped thereset wire and nowthe PBactually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changerinput any
longer
(and it used to just fine)... Idid testand there is audio at the outputs of
the
PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changerback in to see if my processor would accept analog
audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
used
the digit
al out
put of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in
my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late
and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I
said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can
check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I
made
some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, the
n
from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly int
o the
Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
&
gt; Ch
anger both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
gt; g
t;Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the
Phatb
ox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both
sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn
a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm
going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other
than <
BR>>
; it
was made by Phatnoise) or age o
f the
cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old
cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a solderin
g iron
, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger sla
ve
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>
;
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (lo
w nibb
le).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence as well as dro
pping
the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
;
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in
the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microco
&
gt; &g
t; ntroll
er and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect.
This
last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
g
t;
;So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatb
ox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you pr
omise
on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
&
gt; for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the R
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that co
uld ca
use a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
g
t;
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
P
hatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
--
XDP400
0X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
&
gt; my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&g
t; >
; -
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the versi
on of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference onl
y and
you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pd
f
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If
you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
gt; g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and ora
nge (g
round)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with a
ny mul
ti-device configurations.
The problem is with the
bus m
aster signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
&g
t; &am
p;g
t;
; Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there
... as
soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're R
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
s
ome R information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
&
gt; interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
gt; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
&
gt; The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot
and t
hen shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@m
atroni
cs.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F |
dralle
@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Air
craft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to d
o... <
BR>
gt;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in R my
40
00x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might f
ind R you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&
gt; &g
t;
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
g
t;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
&
gt; PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
conne
ct
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device conf
g
t; igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
&
gt; is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know be
st abo
ut using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
&
gt; &g
t; gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
gt; running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*w
ill need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different dependi
ng on
the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
&
gt; &g
t; "We
chang
ed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable w
orks w
ith si
mple m
ulti-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho R
uld th
en force a rese
t afte
r a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
==================================================================
&
gt; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
gt;
; What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me
wrote after I cont
acted
him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a fir
mware
update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like someth
ing th
at could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shut
s down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in..
. I ju
st don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At
07:27
PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
&
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
par
t with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original messa
ge ---
-----------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor be
tween
ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers an
d what
not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
gt; Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
&g
t; Mak
e sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We chang
ed cab
le manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not b
e seen
on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if f
irmwar
e 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has t
rouble
knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
g
t;
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matro
nics.c
om Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as R suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>
;
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
;
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.
7k ohm
resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
T
he
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
;
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt p
urchas
ed his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
co
nnect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cab
le
will
work
g
t;
; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
&
gt; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
gt; R Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
&g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the
Phatb
ox ca
n stil
l be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resi
ster i
nstalled as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending
on the
version of cable you
have.
The
links are
&g
t; >
; for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
R
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system. R
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
&
gt; &g
t; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
gt; work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>
;
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
g
t;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&g
t; >
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
s
uggest
ed
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if th
at res
istor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
;
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
;
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatM
anager
).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are t
he sam
e but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
;
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
&
gt; &g
t; the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regardi
ng pus
hing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
For Ai
rcraft
==================================================================
gt;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
<
BR>>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Bo
x 347
| Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher va
lue resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP
4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promi
se on
your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of sev
eral k
or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask
Matt.
Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
--- R From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bo
bbybra
un(at)comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
BR
; Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you runni
ng the
7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt;
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted b
y: Mat
t Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wir
ed. No
te that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com
/xdp40
00x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
htt
p://ww
w.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For r
eferen
ce, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
wh
en:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an
unmod
ified cable work
s with
simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few
>
;
second
s. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
&
gt; &g
t; and the problem is still there... as soon
as th
e Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
<
BR>>
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle@
matron
ics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
; litt
le
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
BR
; http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to hav
e oper
ational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when direc
tly co
nnected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
>
;
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
&
gt; &g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
>
;
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatb
ox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firm
ware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&g
t; >
; Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X
-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
&
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
g
t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5
.pdf <
BR>
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
BR with any multi-device c
onf igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
S
till w
ondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
R
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information
on how
the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
;
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
;
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
&
gt; &g
t; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors
are di
fferent. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head u
nit. <
BR> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is us
ed for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermor
e | CA
| 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
R
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
fo
r
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update
? Im n
ot
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
>
;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
gt; plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister ins
talled
as
suggested
and
&g
t; >
; the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&g
t;
gt; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're us
ing 7.
0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
;
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
&
gt; ca
n b
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when dir
ectly
connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initi
alize
itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
g
t;
; to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&g
t;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
gt; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a phot
o of t
he bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
BR -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a litt
le
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t; Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are d
iffere
nt. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with
simpl
e multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
&
gt; gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He
would
know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
&
gt;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
rmore
| CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-62
81 F |
dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know
what
&
gt;to
do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, t
he sys
tem reset
s and
the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-
- XDP4
000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR
; Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
&
gt; What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (u
pgrade
able through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoi
se way
back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on t
he
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
g
t;
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
cts Fo
r Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Ph
atbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part
with
for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
; Okay
, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
&g
t; cod
ing
BR
; and what not might be different depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
gt; g
t;
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Wo
o at P
hatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his s
ystem.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
ra
tions. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmodi
fied cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&g
t; >
; BR
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Live
rmore
| CA | 94551
925-606-100
1 V |
925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | C
A | 94
551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
QUOTE
gt;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then
from
itsplit out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a
lis
t
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB)plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB
powers
up
fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C
30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees
the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x
and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of
>
; C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input
of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected
into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbo
x is s
hut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to allconnected units on both
sidesbesides C90 and PB when
the P
B is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't
learn
a
thing from any ofthis and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your
system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm
going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset
line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used butfactory original
PBcable
from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was
made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been
made (but given m
y rece
nt luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were
made before the modification was put in place.
g
t;
;I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I
finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've
been!
Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples: R
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x
, inte
rnal Bass/Treble
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broad
cast a
sking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it w
ill re
set the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
negotiation.
&
gt;
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. B
asical
ly what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either direc
tly pl
ugged
into
the HU or is on Port 1 of th
e firs
t XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really g
et an
answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing th
at is
100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the
probl
em is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
d
id
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in yo
ur dia
gram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my insta
llatio
ns, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must
have t
ried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you w
rote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I
contac
&g
t; >
;ted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
i
f that
would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-----------
--- Or
iginal message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Yes, a
nd I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it
is pl
ugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
---------
-----
Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: b
obbybr
aun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and
the C9
0 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t; g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
&g
t;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
gt; g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colo
rs and
pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his ca
ble:
BR
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
gt; Us
e the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
&g
t; >
; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable ma
nufact
urers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t;
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
>
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
co
nfigur
ations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
gt;
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
&
gt; signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should the
n forc
e a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 9
4551 <
BR> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606
-6281
F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
BR
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
so
meone
woul
dn't m
ind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
>
;
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
;
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
; with
respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&
gt; Wh
at Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
>
;
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head <
BR> unit.
Firmw
are 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an
unmod
ified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After t
he Pha
tBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
g
t; PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
gt; R
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
;
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So f
rustra
ting, the C9
0 know
s the Phatbox is
&
gt; th
ere,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 0
7:27 P
M 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
&
gt; &g
t; -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB t
hat &g
t; >
; R someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dra
lle R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
&
gt; &g
t;
gt; links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using ve
rsion
7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox?
If yo
u are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
&
gt; ; have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(So
nyCabl
e5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration
during
device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
gt; is
; the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Mat
ronics
| PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring
Produc
ts For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still t
here..
. as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
&
gt; there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn
't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
BR Okay, here's some help on
this
cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
g
t;
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
&
gt; http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
;
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For referen
ce, he
re is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attach
ed a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
;
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
&g
t; Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the
PhatB
ox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right
time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
&g
t; >
; uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
;
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know abou
t the
reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
&
gt; for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing w
as tha
t in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
;
&
gt;
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whe
never
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged
in...
I just don't know what to do...
-
------
------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
m
y R 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still
wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dral
le
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
g
t; g
t; inf
ormation on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
; Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
Ph
atMana
ger).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
g
t;
; 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
g
t;
;
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on th
e
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
<
BR>>
; After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
; shou
ld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle
@matro
nics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
gt; St
ill wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
B
R
;
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
gt; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not m
ight be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are y
ou using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
g
t;
;gt; y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
&
gt; &g
t; t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
;
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a r
eset a
fter a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==========================================
======
==================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dral
le@mat
ronics.com Email
http://www.matronics
.com/
WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
gt; g
t; controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't
know w
hat to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of
the S
ony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soo
n as t
he Phatbox is plugged in my
&g
t; >
; 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Drall
e
-
- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and
pin nu
&
gt; &g
t; mbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.c
om/xdp
4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
;
when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony c
onnect
or. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
wor
k
with any multi-device conf
igurat
io
ns. R
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
&
gt; right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fe
aturin
g Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
s
ince
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo
of th
e bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
r
unning out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
&g
t; >
; coding
BR
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
gt; Wh
at Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
g
&
gt; t;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise wa
y back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
&g
t; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
gt; a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
&g
t; >
; with any multi-device configurations.
g
t;
; The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
;
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about
using
the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
g
t; 925-606-1001 V | 925-60
6-6281
F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
;
&g
t; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
gt; ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V |
925-60
6-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
turing
Products For Aircraft
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
&
gt;
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
g
t; the
Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
What do you kn
&
gt; ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
o
nly other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
me wrote after I contac
ted hi
m the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
&
gt; &g
t; lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message -----------
gt; g
t; --- R From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
&
gt; th
ere, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware? R
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4
000X-L
ist message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
gt;
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that <
BR>>
; someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a c
able d
irect from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
g
t;
; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
&
gt; &g
t; not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Mat
t Foun
d on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/U
nilink
-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
diff
erent.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed
cable
manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
g
t
; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
&g
t; >
; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used
BR
; for
g
t;
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
M
att regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Ema
il
h
ttp://
www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatb
ox is
plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
gt; g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
runnin
;
g out of options here. Can anybody help?
&
gt; &g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http:
/
/www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have ope
ration
al issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable man
ufactu
rers since Matt purchased
his s
ystem. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with th
e bus
master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
>
;
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@
matron
ics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircra
ft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
&
gt;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it
odd t
hat the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is
shut d
own when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resist
or sho <
BR>>
; uld've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this c
able i
ssue. Below are two links to some
gt; information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire.
Note
the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
g <
BR>>
; t;
;
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use t
he dra
wing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to h
ave op
erational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
>
;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The
numbe
rs can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware
5.00
and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
g
t;
sho uld then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
g
t;
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; R
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox
.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
pa
rt wit
h for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
&g
t;
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
BR
; Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
BR
; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>
;
gt; little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What P
hatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using v
ersion
7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
BR
; For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
&
gt; ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They c
an be
seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-devi
ce con
figurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without
the p
ull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. Ho
wever,
you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
9
25-606
-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com
Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For
Aircr
aft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
; me
BR wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
the
diagr
am you
showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware up
date?
Im not sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
g
t; Yes
, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
gt; g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x
which
is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y
Phatbo
x firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you
wrote
:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and
the pr
oblem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
; Phat
box.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be
a con
flict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; R -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable iss
ue. Be
low are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cabl
es are
wired. Note that you *wil
l
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
gt;
What Phatbox Said:
http
://www
.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that m
atches
best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
&
gt; &g
t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connec
t
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They
can b R
e seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configuration
s. I'm
not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at
all ti
mes. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should li
sten
BR to
>
;
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
sugge
sted
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox
is pl
ugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k oh
ms ins
tead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of inform
ation.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
------------
-- Ori
ginal message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
gt; R
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor
betwe
en ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cab
le you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respe
ct to
colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depend
ing on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Son
y firm
ware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are
going
to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable thr
ough P
hatManager).
Matt Dralle
Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description
of the
connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
g
t;
; PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware
6.00 a
nd an unmodified cable will
work
gt; g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
&g
t; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
g
t; Aft
er the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, yo
u shou
ld listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
BR
; 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
;
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Produ
cts Fo
r Aircraft
&
gt; &g
t;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
p
l
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message p
osted
&
gt; &g
t; by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 vers
ion of
the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
g
t; powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're w
illing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bo
ttom o
f a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help
on th
is cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on ho
w the
Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
BR
; you n
eed
to int
erpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://ww
w.matr
onics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
gt; Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
gt; R "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox
conne
ctor.
An unmodified cable should work whe
n dire
ctly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
gt; with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is
conne
cted, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset.
He wo
uld know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001
V | 92
5-6
06-628
1 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
;
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
BR
; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn'
t min
d
me using to get myself a
cable
direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
BR
; and what not migh
t be d
ifferent depending on
the ve
rsion of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
littl
e
with respect to colors and pin numbers
and w
hat not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things
might
be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmw
are (u
pgradeable through PhatManager).
Matt Drall
e
For reference, here is a messag
e from
Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
&
gt; connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
c
onfigu
rations. I'm not sure if fi
rmware
6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>
; work
with any multi-device configurations.
;
The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
&
gt; &g
t; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt
G
Dralle
| Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.c
om Ema
il
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
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&g
t; >
; Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
matron
ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
g
t;
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A | 94
551
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Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get
any
audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The
only
reason I know it sounds bad is becau
se I h
ooked a set of headphones up to the
phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded
horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being
played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the
crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more
full
and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to
play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more, I
really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want
to
send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last
C90
I sent them...
I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my
other
equipment that I know was wor
king b
eforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more,
but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the
PB.
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Great news!
Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
press that reset button.
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
settings off or highly attenuated.
&
gt; Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
BR
;
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in
my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
(and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull
highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to s
ee if
my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always
used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my
XM uni
t, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and
I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something i
s brok
en
inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
C
ut the
reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90
, then
from
it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
g
t; XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2
of C30
: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
g
t;
; Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
is...lol
>
;
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used b
ut fac
tory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
&g
t; Ahh
hh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Well, if you're handy with a soldering i
ron, I
would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
unless you miss wire something... :-)
The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
examples:
CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radi
o (ori
ginal Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
gt;
On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
sequence
as we
ll as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole ne
w bus
address
negotiation.
The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
class so you have to be really careful t
hat it
is either directly plugged
&
gt; into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with
the m
aster/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
Phatbox could.
If you
'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
did
not try it with it instal
led ho
wever so I'll give it another try.
So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
could be the problem, huh?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt D
ralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
; dire
ctly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... ;-)
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
What do you know about the reset line being cut in you
r diag
ram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
gt; g
t; of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
sure
if that woul
d hel
p
but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
directly connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
g
t;
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut do
wn
when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 v
ersion
of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers
down,
the system resets and the C90 only comm
unicat
es with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
g
t;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are tw
o link
s
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
nee
d*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
gt;
;
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.
com/xd
p4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
A
re you
using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
gt; g
t; "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
The
connections
are t
he same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
gt;
; on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
>
;
The problem is with the bus master si
gnal.
It is an input. It
is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few s
econds
. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
<
BR>>
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@ma
tronic
s.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
BR
; Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
&
gt; &g
t; Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody hel
p?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground
and th
e blue
wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.
pdf R
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 S
ony fi
rmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
using
g
t;
; anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
connec
tions are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(
SonyCa
ble5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; An
unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
signal
g
t;
; stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trou
ble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
g
t;
; Regards,
Mike"
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
&
gt;
==================================================================
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
gt; g
t;
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
contr
olled
since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
gt; suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000
x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo
of the
bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on
this c
able issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
g
t; need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www
.matro
nics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
;
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
gt;
; Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
g
t;
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
&g
t; 10k
resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi
-devic
e conf
igurat
ions.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitrat
ion du
ring device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a
reset
after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Fea
>
;
turing
Products For Aircraft
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seeme
d to b
e a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct
from
the
factory?
I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com
;
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
&
gt; &a
mp;g
t; a
BR little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
What Matt Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you ha
ve, th
ings might be a
little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable throug
h
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
wh
en: R
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.
gt; g
t;
An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
F
irmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble kn
owing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He wou
ld kno
w best about using the
C90.
Regards,
Mike"
;
BR
;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
==================================================================
g
t;
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
g
t;
What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
the
only other difference shown in your diagramth
at was
n't done in
themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
for
me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
in
the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
lower down it seeme
d that
they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
g
t; not
sure
if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
connected to the head unit?
Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustra
ting,
the C90 knows the
Phatbox
is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
it's
plugged in. I
find i
t odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Are yo
u runn
ing the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?
Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
m
y
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
gt; g
t; -------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <
BR>>
;
Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
g
t; links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
What Phatbox Said:
http:
//www.
matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
BR
; different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
g
t;
;
"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
the
PhatBox connector.
An unmodified cable should work when directly
conne
cted to a head
unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
g
t; with any multi-device configurations.
The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.
After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
Regards,
Mike"
Matt G Drall
e | Ma
;
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/
WWW |
Featuring Products For Aircraft
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