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| From: | "Chris Blackmore" <blackmore(at)platinum.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
May be you are right ....I have been told this before, just had to ask!
Chris
-------Original Message-------
From: rcav8r(at)charter.net
Date: 17/01/2010 8:58:57 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
Speaking as a machinist:
You might find it impractical to try to cut sheet metal on a mill type se
tup
Your biggest problem is work hold down, es. a 4x12 sheet. Even if you us
e a
reverse spiral bit so it doesn't pull the sheet up, you'll still have
tremendous vibration of the sheet if you don't have some kind of hold dow
n
along the path of the cut.
A better way to go would be to come up with some sort of CNC punch head f
or
it, punch the the rivet and screw holes, then us them as some system to
clamp the sheet metal down while you mill the part out.
all of this however, is probably gilding the lilly. IIRC from my 701 plan
s
(don't have them anymore, and don't have 750 plans at this time), most of
the sheet parts besides the ribs are straight cut, and could be cut on a
shear.
The ribs could be cut with a waterjet ($$$) if you have the CAD files.
With all the time and money involved, I'd rather spend the money on sub k
its
from Zenith.
I know this is not what you were asking, but you are going through a lot
of
trouble for very little return.
---- stepinwolf wrote:
pelland(at)cgocable.ca>
>
> I am a 701 & 750 scratch builder, and in order to make things more
interesting for my 750 build, I am planing, among other things, to build
a
CNC machine in the coming year. The " MechMate " unit ( check out the
following site ) http://www.mechmate.com/ will be built with a 5' x 12'
table, so that complete 12' aluminum sheets can be process by the machine
=2E
>
> My question to fellow Matronics List members is this. Does anyone have,
or
have access to Autocad DWG files for the 750, that they would be willing
to
share.? I am quite aware that I can spend my time drawing them myself,
however my time would be better spent assembling, and flying, then by
spending weeks in front of the keyboard, drawing DWG files that have alre
ady
been done by someone else.
>
> If I were to get help in obtaining the necessary 750, or even the 701's
files for that matter, cutting out assorted parts for a fellow builder's
would not be out of question.
>
> A big thank you, to all those of you, who will take the time to address
my
concerns.
>
> Robert
> the 701&750 scratch.
>
> www.autoretro.info
>
> --------
> Live each day, as if it was your last
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281889#281889
>
>
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| From: | "Robert Pelland" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
Thank's for your input, rcav8r,
but things are not always as they seem. For starters, the CNC "
Mechmate " once built, will also be used as an additional revenue source
for me, doing sub-work for local customers cutting thin, assorted metal
sheets and wood products.
As for the hold down problem you might think I will have, it's actually
non existent since the Mechmate has a complete vacuum system installed
under the table, and there are presently quite a few members on the
Mechmate forum, who are actually using the very same system I plan on
having, and are working with 12' aluminum sheets with no problem what so
ever. If in doubt, I can link you to a few who do this regularly on
aluminum sheets from .016, all the way up to 1/2" thick.
In as much as a shear is concerned, if you take a close look at the
plans, even though there are quite a few parts made up of straight
lines, few parts could be made using a regular shear, and I think a
shear wide enough to be useful, would not be costs effective.
Thank you for your concerns
regards
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: rcav8r(at)charter.net
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
Speaking as a machinist:
You might find it impractical to try to cut sheet metal on a mill type
setup. Your biggest problem is work hold down, es. a 4x12 sheet. Even if
you use a reverse spiral bit so it doesn't pull the sheet up, you'll
still have tremendous vibration of the sheet if you don't have some kind
of hold down along the path of the cut.
A better way to go would be to come up with some sort of CNC punch
head for it, punch the the rivet and screw holes, then us them as some
system to clamp the sheet metal down while you mill the part out.
all of this however, is probably gilding the lilly. IIRC from my 701
plans (don't have them anymore, and don't have 750 plans at this time),
most of the sheet parts besides the ribs are straight cut, and could be
cut on a shear.
The ribs could be cut with a waterjet ($$$) if you have the CAD
files. With all the time and money involved, I'd rather spend the money
on sub kits from Zenith.
I know this is not what you were asking, but you are going through a
lot of trouble for very little return.
---- stepinwolf wrote:
>
> I am a 701 & 750 scratch builder, and in order to make things more
interesting for my 750 build, I am planing, among other things, to build
a CNC machine in the coming year. The " MechMate " unit ( check out the
following site ) http://www.mechmate.com/ will be built with a 5' x 12'
table, so that complete 12' aluminum sheets can be process by the
machine.
>
> My question to fellow Matronics List members is this. Does anyone
have, or have access to Autocad DWG files for the 750, that they would
be willing to share.? I am quite aware that I can spend my time drawing
them myself, however my time would be better spent assembling, and
flying, then by spending weeks in front of the keyboard, drawing DWG
files that have already been done by someone else.
>
> If I were to get help in obtaining the necessary 750, or even the
701's files for that matter, cutting out assorted parts for a fellow
builder's would not be out of question.
>
> A big thank you, to all those of you, who will take the time to
address my concerns.
>
> Robert
> the 701&750 scratch.
>
> www.autoretro.info
>
> --------
> Live each day, as if it was your last
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281889#281889
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
| From: | Yuri Rajczuk Dombi <yrdseguros(at)gmail.com> |
Robert,
I also do not have the CAD and would be happy if you share when you obtain
it.
As for MM, yes it is possible and feasible.
http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showthread.php?t'3
Best regards,
Yuri - Brazil
2010/1/17 Robert Pelland
> Thank's for your input, rcav8r,
>
> but things are not always as they seem. For starters, the CNC " Mechmate "
> once built, will also be used as an additional revenue source for me, doing
> sub-work for local customers cutting thin, assorted metal sheets and wood
> products.
>
> As for the hold down problem you might think I will have, it's actually non
> existent since the Mechmate has a complete vacuum system installed under the
> table, and there are presently quite a few members on the Mechmate forum,
> who are actually using the very same system I plan on having, and are
> working with 12' aluminum sheets with no problem what so ever. If in doubt,
> I can link you to a few who do this regularly on aluminum sheets from .016,
> all the way up to 1/2" thick.
>
> In as much as a shear is concerned, if you take a close look at the plans,
> even though there are quite a few parts made up of straight lines, few parts
> could be made using a regular shear, and I think a shear wide enough to be
> useful, would not be costs effective.
>
> Thank you for your concerns
>
> regards
> Robert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* rcav8r(at)charter.net
> *To:* zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
>
>
> Speaking as a machinist:
> You might find it impractical to try to cut sheet metal on a mill type
> setup. Your biggest problem is work hold down, es. a 4x12 sheet. Even if you
> use a reverse spiral bit so it doesn't pull the sheet up, you'll still have
> tremendous vibration of the sheet if you don't have some kind of hold down
> along the path of the cut.
>
> A better way to go would be to come up with some sort of CNC punch head for
> it, punch the the rivet and screw holes, then us them as some system to
> clamp the sheet metal down while you mill the part out.
>
> all of this however, is probably gilding the lilly. IIRC from my 701 plans
> (don't have them anymore, and don't have 750 plans at this time), most of
> the sheet parts besides the ribs are straight cut, and could be cut on a
> shear.
> The ribs could be cut with a waterjet ($$$) if you have the CAD files.
> With all the time and money involved, I'd rather spend the money on sub kits
> from Zenith.
>
> I know this is not what you were asking, but you are going through a lot of
> trouble for very little return.
>
> ---- stepinwolf wrote:
> robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca>
> >
> > I am a 701 & 750 scratch builder, and in order to make things more
> interesting for my 750 build, I am planing, among other things, to build a
> CNC machine in the coming year. The " MechMate " unit ( check out the
> following site ) http://www.mechmate.com/ will be built with a 5' x 12'
> table, so that complete 12' aluminum sheets can be process by the machine.
> >
> > My question to fellow Matronics List members is this. Does anyone have,
> or have access to Autocad DWG files for the 750, that they would be willing
> to share.? I am quite aware that I can spend my time drawing them myself,
> however my time would be better spent assembling, and flying, then by
> spending weeks in front of the keyboard, drawing DWG files that have already
> been done by someone else.
> >
> > If I were to get help in obtaining the necessary 750, or even the 701's
> files for that matter, cutting out assorted parts for a fellow builder's
> would not be out of question.
> >
> > A big thank you, to all those of you, who will take the time to address
> my concerns.
> >
> > Robert
> > the 701&750 scratch.
> >
> > www.autoretro.info
> >
> > --------
> > Live each day, as if it was your last
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281889#281889
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > nbsp; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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> http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
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| From: | John <rcav8r(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
Oh, ok! I didnt know the system had a vac table! I take back what I
said about the setup :)
As for the shear, which parts could not be cut on a 8' shear? I have
access to one, so that's "standard" for me. I think the biggest
challange for any metal wing project is bending the spar flanges, if
they have them.
I will check out the links. There's been many the time when I wished
for a CNC setup at home instead of doing "government" projects at work.
On Jan 17, 2010, at 12:45 PM, "Robert Pelland" wrote:
> Thank's for your input, rcav8r,
>
> but things are not always as they seem. For starters, the CNC "
> Mechmate " once built, will also be used as an additional revenue
> source for me, doing sub-work for local customers cutting thin,
> assorted metal sheets and wood products.
>
> As for the hold down problem you might think I will have, it's
> actually non existent since the Mechmate has a complete vacuum
> system installed under the table, and there are presently quite a
> few members on the Mechmate forum, who are actually using the very
> same system I plan on having, and are working with 12' aluminum
> sheets with no problem what so ever. If in doubt, I can link you to
> a few who do this regularly on aluminum sheets from .016, all the
> way up to 1/2" thick.
>
> In as much as a shear is concerned, if you take a close look at the
> plans, even though there are quite a few parts made up of straight
> lines, few parts could be made using a regular shear, and I think a
> shear wide enough to be useful, would not be costs effective.
>
> Thank you for your concerns
>
> regards
> Robert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rcav8r(at)charter.net
> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
>
>
> Speaking as a machinist:
> You might find it impractical to try to cut sheet metal on a mill
> type setup. Your biggest problem is work hold down, es. a 4x12
> sheet. Even if you use a reverse spiral bit so it doesn't pull the
> sheet up, you'll still have tremendous vibration of the sheet if you
> don't have some kind of hold down along the path of the cut.
>
> A better way to go would be to come up with some sort of CNC punch
> head for it, punch the the rivet and screw holes, then us them as
> some system to clamp the sheet metal down while you mill the part out.
>
> all of this however, is probably gilding the lilly. IIRC from my 701
> plans (don't have them anymore, and don't have 750 plans at this
> time), most of the sheet parts besides the ribs are straight cut,
> and could be cut on a shear.
> The ribs could be cut with a waterjet ($$$) if you have the CAD
> files. With all the time and money involved, I'd rather spend the
> money on sub kits from Zenith.
>
> I know this is not what you were asking, but you are going through a
> lot of trouble for very little return.
>
> ---- stepinwolf wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am a 701 & 750 scratch builder, and in order to make things more
> interesting for my 750 build, I am planing, among other things, to
> build a CNC machine in the coming year. The " MechMate " unit
> ( check out the following site ) http://www.mechmate.com/ will be
> built with a 5' x 12' table, so that complete 12' aluminum sheets
> can be process by the machine.
> >
> > My question to fellow Matronics List members is this. Does anyone
> have, or have access to Autocad DWG files for the 750, that they
> would be willing to share.? I am quite aware that I can spend my
> time drawing them myself, however my time would be better spent
> assembling, and flying, then by spending weeks in front of the
> keyboard, drawing DWG files that have already been done by
> someone else.
> >
> > If I were to get help in obtaining the necessary 750, or even the
> 701's files for that matter, cutting out assorted parts for a
> fellow builder's would not be out of question.
> >
> > A big thank you, to all those of you, who will take the time to
> address my concerns.
> >
> > Robert
> > the 701&750 scratch.
> >
> > www.autoretro.info
> >
> > --------
> > Live each day, as if it was your last
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281889#281889
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > nbsp; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ">http://www.matronics.com/c================
>
>
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| From: | "Robert Pelland" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
For starters, before we exchange any other messages, I would like to
know whom I am talking.
As for what parts that could not be sheared on your 8' shear, well the
list ( if I had time to make one up ) would certainly include the main,
and rear spars in the wings, then all the fuselage covering, sides, top,
bottom, ad to that all the major aluminum coverings on the main wings,
and there would surly be more if I had time to go over the plans.
You are fortunate to have access to an 8' shear, but have you taken the
time source pricing an 8' wide shear. I have just purchased an 8' Brown
& Borg brake, and pricing on the shears was more expensive then the
brake itself.
As for the biggest challenge, it doesn't reside ( as you imply ) in
bending the spars flanges, since those are relivately easy with a decent
brake, but rather forming the flanges on the complete set of front and
rear ribs, that is where the real labor is !
But hey! there has be work involved somewhere in the construction,
else wise everyone would be building airplanes
regards
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: John
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
Oh, ok! I didnt know the system had a vac table! I take back what I
said about the setup :)
As for the shear, which parts could not be cut on a 8' shear? I have
access to one, so that's "standard" for me. I think the biggest
challange for any metal wing project is bending the spar flanges, if
they have them.
I will check out the links. There's been many the time when I wished
for a CNC setup at home instead of doing "government" projects at work.
On Jan 17, 2010, at 12:45 PM, "Robert Pelland"
wrote:
Thank's for your input, rcav8r,
but things are not always as they seem. For starters, the CNC "
Mechmate " once built, will also be used as an additional revenue source
for me, doing sub-work for local customers cutting thin, assorted metal
sheets and wood products.
As for the hold down problem you might think I will have, it's
actually non existent since the Mechmate has a complete vacuum system
installed under the table, and there are presently quite a few members
on the Mechmate forum, who are actually using the very same system I
plan on having, and are working with 12' aluminum sheets with no problem
what so ever. If in doubt, I can link you to a few who do this
regularly on aluminum sheets from .016, all the way up to 1/2" thick.
In as much as a shear is concerned, if you take a close look at the
plans, even though there are quite a few parts made up of straight
lines, few parts could be made using a regular shear, and I think a
shear wide enough to be useful, would not be costs effective.
Thank you for your concerns
regards
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: rcav8r(at)charter.net
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
Speaking as a machinist:
You might find it impractical to try to cut sheet metal on a mill
type setup. Your biggest problem is work hold down, es. a 4x12 sheet.
Even if you use a reverse spiral bit so it doesn't pull the sheet up,
you'll still have tremendous vibration of the sheet if you don't have
some kind of hold down along the path of the cut.
A better way to go would be to come up with some sort of CNC punch
head for it, punch the the rivet and screw holes, then us them as some
system to clamp the sheet metal down while you mill the part out.
all of this however, is probably gilding the lilly. IIRC from my
701 plans (don't have them anymore, and don't have 750 plans at this
time), most of the sheet parts besides the ribs are straight cut, and
could be cut on a shear.
The ribs could be cut with a waterjet ($$$) if you have the CAD
files. With all the time and money involved, I'd rather spend the money
on sub kits from Zenith.
I know this is not what you were asking, but you are going through
a lot of trouble for very little return.
---- stepinwolf wrote:
>
> I am a 701 & 750 scratch builder, and in order to make things
more interesting for my 750 build, I am planing, among other things, to
build a CNC machine in the coming year. The " MechMate " unit ( check
out the following site ) http://www.mechmate.com/ will be built with a
5' x 12' table, so that complete 12' aluminum sheets can be process by
the machine.
>
> My question to fellow Matronics List members is this. Does
anyone have, or have access to Autocad DWG files for the 750, that they
would be willing to share.? I am quite aware that I can spend my time
drawing them myself, however my time would be better spent assembling,
and flying, then by spending weeks in front of the keyboard, drawing DWG
files that have already been done by someone else.
>
> If I were to get help in obtaining the necessary 750, or even
the 701's files for that matter, cutting out assorted parts for a fellow
builder's would not be out of question.
>
> A big thank you, to all those of you, who will take the time to
address my concerns.
>
> Robert
> the 701&750 scratch.
>
> www.autoretro.info
>
> --------
> Live each day, as if it was your last
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281889#281889
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> nbsp; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| From: | <rcav8r(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
Well, My name is John Thompson, and I live in WI. Several years ago, I was interested
in building the 701, even bought a bunch of material, but just couldn't
get used to the low gross wieght even with the 4th gen drawings.
Right now, I'm working on a Bearhawk. You can buy various levels of kits including
a quick build. I bought a wing parts kit for this (ribs and spars mainly).One
of the most frequent questions for this plane is "can I build my own 8' brake
out of xxxx". The answer is usually no, since nobody can seem to figure out
how to keep the spar straight in a wood brake (most common idea), but it sounds
like someone on this list has done it. There are plans for a 8' steel brake
out there, weights about 600# when finished. Might make a good chapter project.
I initially had my ribs waterjetted after I made my own CAD ribs (both work bennies),
but later decided to just get the wing parts kit I mentioned above simply
because of the hassle of finding a place to bend the spars.
I don't recall how the 701 series fuse sides and wing skins are sized, so you've
got me on those. I'd probably just cut them by hand with snips or power sheer.
No denying forming the ribs is hard, simply labor intensive. I seem to recall that
the 701 rib form blocks needed a 8 degree reverse on them to keep the flanges
90 degrees to the rib itself? And a L & R form block are needed. Is the 750
similiar in that rgard?
---- Robert Pelland wrote:
> For starters, before we exchange any other messages, I would like to know whom
I am talking.
>
> As for what parts that could not be sheared on your 8' shear, well the list (
if I had time to make one up ) would certainly include the main, and rear spars
in the wings, then all the fuselage covering, sides, top, bottom, ad to that
all the major aluminum coverings on the main wings, and there would surly be
more if I had time to go over the plans.
>
> You are fortunate to have access to an 8' shear, but have you taken the time
source pricing an 8' wide shear. I have just purchased an 8' Brown & Borg brake,
and pricing on the shears was more expensive then the brake itself.
>
> As for the biggest challenge, it doesn't reside ( as you imply ) in bending the
spars flanges, since those are relivately easy with a decent brake, but rather
forming the flanges on the complete set of front and rear ribs, that is where
the real labor is !
>
> But hey! there has be work involved somewhere in the construction, else wise
everyone would be building airplanes
>
> regards
> Robert
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
| From: | "stepinwolf" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
Please to make your acquaintance John, I live in Three Rivers, Quebec, just North
of the US border, about two hours drive, from Champlain New York.
Personally I did not decide to go with the 701 or 750 for the gross weight, the
load carrying or the STOL capacity, but rather because they are all aluminum
aircraft, and by the same token, easy to build, and easy to repair. The fact
that they can be left outside without any protection were not initially part of
my decision.
The Zenith factory, now offer both aircraft in kit form, and also in partial component
kits, ( as your Bearcat ) so that the builder can , as we say pay as they
build. In my case, being retired, and trying to make ends meet on a small
disability pension, did not permit me to purchase anything in kit form, so I was
obliged to purchase raw material, and make up all the cutting, and forming
block's. It goes without saying that this part of the build, was extremely time
consuming, and the principal reason I decided to build the Mechmate.
As far as brakes are concerned, I originally built the 4' brake from the plans that are found on the CanZac website, ( see attached pic ) but I quickly realized that nothing but an 8' would be acceptable for the projects. The best brake project I have seen on the various Forums, is the brake offered by Mac's Machine and Design http://www.macsmachine.com/ he will sell you the plans ( right up your alley since one needs to have access to a machine shop to fab all the parts) and when your through, if you send him a photo of the completed project, he will refund your money. A win win situation.
Both Zenith main spars, don't need to be bent, since they are capped with extruded
aluminum angle. As for the front and rear ribs, both the 701 and 750 are very
similar, not enough to use the same forming block's, but very close. In
my case to speed things up, I rough cut the blanks with my plasma cutter, then
run them through a router for the final cut. Then the fun starts with the forming
block's and hammer giving them the proper, 9 degree bend back angle.
All the the fuselage sections for both aircraft are cut from full length 12' sheets,
so no shear is not going to cut it. Good luck with your project
regards
Robert
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| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
| From: | joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all,
I am building a 750 from plans.
A $ .99 clear plastic ruler, a good compass with a fine line sharpie ty
wrapped to it instead of the pencil, a couple of squares and a tape measure
will layout this entire airplane. Lightening holes are easy with holesaws
either in the drillpress or in a cordless drill. I started with the wings
and cut all the blanks for the nose and rear ribs with an electric hand held
shear and a pair of 12" Andy snips.The ribs were formed with a deadblow
hammer over plywood forms. I have started using oak now, much more durable.
The form blocks were all cut out on my cheapo 14" bandsaw. Most all of the
other fitments for the wings has been cut out on a cheap bandsaw with a 14
tpi blade or with snips.A woodcuuting bandsaw sings through .25 6061 like
butter A 12' disc sander and Harbor freight sanding drums in the drill press
clean up all the saw marks quickly. The wing spars which are made fromm
6061 T6 and were cut with a straitedge and a Olfa linoleum cutter in less
than an hour. The spar flanges are 1" x 1" x .125 6061 T6 extrusion so no
bending required..As for bending flanges on your sheet metal, the cheap 18"
and 30 " brakes from Harbor freight work fine and do a great deal of the
work required. They cost about $40 bucks each. I am building "Dave's sheet
metal brake"" now out of angle iron and piano hinge and it will bend the
channels and other larger sheet metal parts with no problem. Most all of
the fuselage sheet and wing skins can be roughed out with a cheap electric
or pneumatic shear and the fine line left to trim is no work at all with a
12" pair of Andy snips.
My point is that simple tools will take you a long way down the road in the
construction of this airplane.
Joe Motis
plans built CH 750
NO ARCHIVE
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Robert Pelland
wrote:
> For starters, before we exchange any other messages, I would like to know
> whom I am talking.
>
> As for what parts that could not be sheared on your 8' shear, well the list
> ( if I had time to make one up ) would certainly include the main, and rear
> spars in the wings, then all the fuselage covering, sides, top, bottom, ad
> to that all the major aluminum coverings on the main wings, and there would
> surly be more if I had time to go over the plans.
>
> You are fortunate to have access to an 8' shear, but have you taken the
> time source pricing an 8' wide shear. I have just purchased an 8' Brown &
> Borg brake, and pricing on the shears was more expensive then the brake
> itself.
>
> As for the biggest challenge, it doesn't reside ( as you imply ) in bending
> the spars flanges, since those are relivately easy with a decent brake, but
> rather forming the flanges on the complete set of front and rear ribs, that
> is where the real labor is !
>
> But hey! there has be work involved somewhere in the construction, else
> wise everyone would be building airplanes
>
> regards
> Robert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John
> *To:* zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
>
> Oh, ok! I didnt know the system had a vac table! I take back what I said
> about the setup :)
>
> As for the shear, which parts could not be cut on a 8' shear? I have access
> to one, so that's "standard" for me. I think the biggest challange for any
> metal wing project is bending the spar flanges, if they have them.
> I will check out the links. There's been many the time when I wished for a
> CNC setup at home instead of doing "government" projects at work.
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2010, at 12:45 PM, "Robert Pelland"
> wrote:
>
> Thank's for your input, rcav8r,
>
> but things are not always as they seem. For starters, the CNC " Mechmate "
> once built, will also be used as an additional revenue source for me, doing
> sub-work for local customers cutting thin, assorted metal sheets and wood
> products.
>
> As for the hold down problem you might think I will have, it's actually non
> existent since the Mechmate has a complete vacuum system installed under the
> table, and there are presently quite a few members on the Mechmate forum,
> who are actually using the very same system I plan on having, and are
> working with 12' aluminum sheets with no problem what so ever. If in doubt,
> I can link you to a few who do this regularly on aluminum sheets from .016,
> all the way up to 1/2" thick.
>
> In as much as a shear is concerned, if you take a close look at the plans,
> even though there are quite a few parts made up of straight lines, few parts
> could be made using a regular shear, and I think a shear wide enough to be
> useful, would not be costs effective.
>
> Thank you for your concerns
>
> regards
> Robert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* rcav8r(at)charter.net
> *To:* zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
>
>
> Speaking as a machinist:
> You might find it impractical to try to cut sheet metal on a mill type
> setup. Your biggest problem is work hold down, es. a 4x12 sheet. Even if you
> use a reverse spiral bit so it doesn't pull the sheet up, you'll still have
> tremendous vibration of the sheet if you don't have some kind of hold down
> along the path of the cut.
>
> A better way to go would be to come up with some sort of CNC punch head for
> it, punch the the rivet and screw holes, then us them as some system to
> clamp the sheet metal down while you mill the part out.
>
> all of this however, is probably gilding the lilly. IIRC from my 701 plans
> (don't have them anymore, and don't have 750 plans at this time), most of
> the sheet parts besides the ribs are straight cut, and could be cut on a
> shear.
> The ribs could be cut with a waterjet ($$$) if you have the CAD files.
> With all the time and money involved, I'd rather spend the money on sub kits
> from Zenith.
>
> I know this is not what you were asking, but you are going through a lot of
> trouble for very little return.
>
> ---- stepinwolf wrote:
> robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca>
> >
> > I am a 701 & 750 scratch builder, and in order to make things more
> interesting for my 750 build, I am planing, among other things, to build a
> CNC machine in the coming year. The " MechMate " unit ( check out the
> following site ) http://www.mechmate.com/ will be built with a 5' x 12'
> table, so that complete 12' aluminum sheets can be process by the machine.
> >
> > My question to fellow Matronics List members is this. Does anyone have,
> or have access to Autocad DWG files for the 750, that they would be willing
> to share.? I am quite aware that I can spend my time drawing them myself,
> however my time would be better spent assembling, and flying, then by
> spending weeks in front of the keyboard, drawing DWG files that have already
> been done by someone else.
> >
> > If I were to get help in obtaining the necessary 750, or even the 701's
> files for that matter, cutting out assorted parts for a fellow builder's
> would not be out of question.
> >
> > A big thank you, to all those of you, who will take the time to address
> my concerns.
> >
> > Robert
> > the 701&750 scratch.
> >
> > www.autoretro.info
> >
> > --------
> > Live each day, as if it was your last
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281889#281889
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | "fritz" <klondike(at)megalink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
Gee Joe, with I few minor changes I could have given the same
reply.------ I think we are the type of people which Chris had in mind
when he designs his airplanes for the scratch builder. I used these
simple techinques on the 701 and 601, now doing the 750.
Best of luck,
Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: joe motis
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
Hi all,
I am building a 750 from plans.
A $ .99 clear plastic ruler, a good compass with a fine line sharpie
ty wrapped to it instead of the pencil, a couple of squares and a tape
measure will layout this entire airplane. Lightening holes are easy with
holesaws either in the drillpress or in a cordless drill. I started with
the wings and cut all the blanks for the nose and rear ribs with an
electric hand held shear and a pair of 12" Andy snips.The ribs were
formed with a deadblow hammer over plywood forms. I have started using
oak now, much more durable. The form blocks were all cut out on my
cheapo 14" bandsaw. Most all of the other fitments for the wings has
been cut out on a cheap bandsaw with a 14 tpi blade or with snips.A
woodcuuting bandsaw sings through .25 6061 like butter A 12' disc sander
and Harbor freight sanding drums in the drill press clean up all the saw
marks quickly. The wing spars which are made fromm 6061 T6 and were cut
with a straitedge and a Olfa linoleum cutter in less than an hour. The
spar flanges are 1" x 1" x .125 6061 T6 extrusion so no bending
required..As for bending flanges on your sheet metal, the cheap 18" and
30 " brakes from Harbor freight work fine and do a great deal of the
work required. They cost about $40 bucks each. I am building "Dave's
sheet metal brake"" now out of angle iron and piano hinge and it will
bend the channels and other larger sheet metal parts with no problem.
Most all of the fuselage sheet and wing skins can be roughed out with a
cheap electric or pneumatic shear and the fine line left to trim is no
work at all with a 12" pair of Andy snips.
My point is that simple tools will take you a long way down the road
in the construction of this airplane.
Joe Motis
plans built CH 750
NO ARCHIVE
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Robert Pelland
wrote:
For starters, before we exchange any other messages, I would like to
know whom I am talking.
As for what parts that could not be sheared on your 8' shear, well
the list ( if I had time to make one up ) would certainly include the
main, and rear spars in the wings, then all the fuselage covering,
sides, top, bottom, ad to that all the major aluminum coverings on the
main wings, and there would surly be more if I had time to go over the
plans.
You are fortunate to have access to an 8' shear, but have you taken
the time source pricing an 8' wide shear. I have just purchased an 8'
Brown & Borg brake, and pricing on the shears was more expensive then
the brake itself.
As for the biggest challenge, it doesn't reside ( as you imply ) in
bending the spars flanges, since those are relivately easy with a decent
brake, but rather forming the flanges on the complete set of front and
rear ribs, that is where the real labor is !
But hey! there has be work involved somewhere in the construction,
else wise everyone would be building airplanes
regards
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: John
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
Oh, ok! I didnt know the system had a vac table! I take back what
I said about the setup :)
As for the shear, which parts could not be cut on a 8' shear? I
have access to one, so that's "standard" for me. I think the biggest
challange for any metal wing project is bending the spar flanges, if
they have them.
I will check out the links. There's been many the time when I
wished for a CNC setup at home instead of doing "government" projects at
work.
On Jan 17, 2010, at 12:45 PM, "Robert Pelland"
wrote:
Thank's for your input, rcav8r,
but things are not always as they seem. For starters, the CNC "
Mechmate " once built, will also be used as an additional revenue source
for me, doing sub-work for local customers cutting thin, assorted metal
sheets and wood products.
As for the hold down problem you might think I will have, it's
actually non existent since the Mechmate has a complete vacuum system
installed under the table, and there are presently quite a few members
on the Mechmate forum, who are actually using the very same system I
plan on having, and are working with 12' aluminum sheets with no problem
what so ever. If in doubt, I can link you to a few who do this
regularly on aluminum sheets from .016, all the way up to 1/2" thick.
In as much as a shear is concerned, if you take a close look at
the plans, even though there are quite a few parts made up of straight
lines, few parts could be made using a regular shear, and I think a
shear wide enough to be useful, would not be costs effective.
Thank you for your concerns
regards
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: rcav8r(at)charter.net
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Autocad DWG Files
Speaking as a machinist:
You might find it impractical to try to cut sheet metal on a
mill type setup. Your biggest problem is work hold down, es. a 4x12
sheet. Even if you use a reverse spiral bit so it doesn't pull the sheet
up, you'll still have tremendous vibration of the sheet if you don't
have some kind of hold down along the path of the cut.
A better way to go would be to come up with some sort of CNC
punch head for it, punch the the rivet and screw holes, then us them as
some system to clamp the sheet metal down while you mill the part out.
all of this however, is probably gilding the lilly. IIRC from
my 701 plans (don't have them anymore, and don't have 750 plans at this
time), most of the sheet parts besides the ribs are straight cut, and
could be cut on a shear.
The ribs could be cut with a waterjet ($$$) if you have the
CAD files. With all the time and money involved, I'd rather spend the
money on sub kits from Zenith.
I know this is not what you were asking, but you are going
through a lot of trouble for very little return.
---- stepinwolf wrote:
>
> I am a 701 & 750 scratch builder, and in order to make
things more interesting for my 750 build, I am planing, among other
things, to build a CNC machine in the coming year. The " MechMate " unit
( check out the following site ) http://www.mechmate.com/ will be built
with a 5' x 12' table, so that complete 12' aluminum sheets can be
process by the machine.
>
> My question to fellow Matronics List members is this. Does
anyone have, or have access to Autocad DWG files for the 750, that they
would be willing to share.? I am quite aware that I can spend my time
drawing them myself, however my time would be better spent assembling,
and flying, then by spending weeks in front of the keyboard, drawing DWG
files that have already been done by someone else.
>
> If I were to get help in obtaining the necessary 750, or
even the 701's files for that matter, cutting out assorted parts for a
fellow builder's would not be out of question.
>
> A big thank you, to all those of you, who will take the time
to address my concerns.
>
> Robert
> the 701&750 scratch.
>
> www.autoretro.info
>
> --------
> Live each day, as if it was your last
>
>
>
>
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>
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| From: | <rcav8r(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
That Macsmachine website brake is the one I was referring to also. I also have
the parts for the 4' brake you mentioned, but I never put it together (yet).
When I had the 701 plans, I was looking at potential LSA plane. The rules weren't
final at the time, and everyone was thinking it would be 1200# gross.
Flash forward to today, although my project is a Bearhawk, I am keeping an eye
out on LSA's again, "just in case". I have some requirements though: must be able
to be scratch built, have side by side seating, high wing, tube and fabric
fuselage, and be actually designed around the LSA rules (not just a beefed up
smaller design). The 750 is the best compromise of these (probably the ONLY compromise).
It doesn't have the tube and fabric fuse, and not really designed
around LSA (but it actually has a practical useful load for 2 people and some
baggage).
If I actually do a 750, I will remove the leading edge strakes, and probably modify
the nose ribs as some people have done with the 701 and doing with the 750.
I don't really need the ultra STOL capabilities.
---- stepinwolf wrote:
>
> Please to make your acquaintance John, I live in Three Rivers, Quebec, just North
of the US border, about two hours drive, from Champlain New York.
>
> Personally I did not decide to go with the 701 or 750 for the gross weight, the
load carrying or the STOL capacity, but rather because they are all aluminum
aircraft, and by the same token, easy to build, and easy to repair. The fact
that they can be left outside without any protection were not initially part
of my decision.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Where & how to run strobe light wiring? |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
List,
I'm ready to rivet the bottom side of my trailing edge on my first wing, but need
to run wiring for the wingtip strobe. Anyone have a photo of how & where they
ran these wires? I assume they go down the trailing edge cavity attached to
the aft side of the rear spar, rather than in front of the main spar.
Jimmy Young
Houston TX
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284669#284669
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| From: | "Dirk Zahtilla" <ideaz1(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Where & how to run strobe light wiring? |
I'm not started with my 750 yet, but it will be my third build. I put wires
on the main spar previously since it is closest to the balance point (yes
that's a bit anal) my other suggestion is to ty wrap only as far in as you
can reach in case you ever have to replace a wire. Also I have installed
wiring after the fact by sliding a length of 1/2" pvc tubing through the
wing, then run the wire through that till you can get hold of the other end
then pull out the tubing leaving the wire(s) behind.
Dirk Z.
Carson City, NV
I'm ready to rivet the bottom side of my trailing edge on my first wing, but
need to run wiring for the wingtip strobe. Anyone have a photo of how &
where they ran these wires? I assume they go down the trailing edge cavity
attached to the aft side of the rear spar, rather than in front of the main
spar.
Jimmy Young
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com> |
no archives
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Mistake in plans wings CH 750? |
| From: | joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com> |
I am building the wing spars and I made both upper spar caps with a 40 mm
diimension on the angle cut end. It does not fit the way it is supposed to.
The actual measurement needs to be 52 mm. I am working off my first set of
plans and the second set (upgraded) are down at the hangar so maybe this
mistake has been caught in the next set.
Anyone else have this issue?.
Page 75-W-2 Illustration 2 Upper spar cap
Thanks
Joe Motis
CH 750 WW Corvair
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fwd: Possible mistake upper spar cap CH 750 75-W-2 Illustration |
2 Angle dimension given is 40 mm should be 52 mm?
| From: | joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com> |
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Subject: Fwd: Possible mistake upper spar cap CH 750 75-W-2 Illustration 2
Angle dimension given is 40 mm should be 52 mm?
Hi Listers,
I am building the wing spars and I made both upper spar caps with a 40 mm
diimension on the angle cut end. It does not fit the way it is supposed to.
The actual measurement needs to be 52 mm. The 80 mm up and 272 mm
over dimension have both been checked and are correct for the spar angle.
Anyone else have this issue?.
Page 75-W-2 Illustration 2 Upper spar cap
Thanks
Joe Motis
CH 750 WW Corvair
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "fritz" <klondike(at)megalink.net> |
| Subject: | Possible mistake upper spar cap CH 750 ----SPAR CAP RIVET |
SPACING
also there is a mistake in the spar caps rivet spacing
Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: joe motis
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 6:11 PM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Fwd: Possible mistake upper spar cap CH 750
75-W-2 Illustration 2 Angle dimension given is 40 mm should be 52 mm?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Subject: Fwd: Possible mistake upper spar cap CH 750 75-W-2
Illustration 2 Angle dimension given is 40 mm should be 52 mm?
To: joe motis
Hi Listers,
I am building the wing spars and I made both upper spar caps with a 40
mm diimension on the angle cut end. It does not fit the way it is
supposed to. The actual measurement needs to be 52 mm. The 80 mm up and
272 mm over dimension have both been checked and are correct for the
spar angle.
Anyone else have this issue?.
Page 75-W-2 Illustration 2 Upper spar cap
Thanks
Joe Motis
CH 750 WW Corvair
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | The folding wing option |
| From: | "stepinwolf" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
Does anyone have any information regarding the folding wing option, ( price, availability,
etc. ) that is shown on the Zenith web site. It look's as though
it would be much more pracital, and better engineered, that the 701 folding wing.
Personally I think that it would be a great additionel feature, rather then an
option that we will most probably be obliged to pay for at a later date.
Robert
--------
Live each day, as if it was your last
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285781#285781
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
| Subject: | New Fuel Tank Trim Ring |
Thanks to help from 750 builder Jimmy Young, I now have available a nice
Fuel Tank Filler Trim Ring.
See my web site for details.
www.mykitairplane.com
George
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jay Parker <zeus45601(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Request Info on Jabiru and the Airmaster 420 Constant |
Speed Propeller
Does anyone here have any data regarding the use of using an Airmaster AP42
0 http://www.airmasterpropellers.com/wab487.html=C2-with the Jabiru engin
e preferably using the smaller 2200 on a Zenith CH-750 or comparable sized
plane?=C2- I=99m wondering if the Jabiru 2200 /w 85HP and Airmaster
would show noticeable improvements in average cruise speed, climb, takeoff
, to handle as well as=C2-the aircraft just fitted with a Jabiru 3300 wit
h no constant speed prop, power-wise.=C2- I=99m a little reluctant
to use a smaller engine under 100 HP on the Zenith CH-750 even though Zenit
h says it will fly with engines with horsepowers in the range of 80 to 125
HP, but I would consider the 85HP Jabiru 2200 if it were fitted with an Air
master AP420 if Constant Speed propeller if I could be shown to get the eco
nomy of a 4 stroke (4gals/hr) engine, with the assurance of no sluggish han
dlings on take-off or climbs.=C2- I was told I would have to register suc
h a plane with an
Airmaster as an Experimental-LSA as opposed to just an Amateur Built-LSA.
=C2- I=99m not certain of the repercussions, cons or pros of regist
ering a plane one way or another, but for the sack of fuel economy and depe
ndable power when needed, I=99m toying with this idea of a CH-750 wit
h a Jab 2200 engine and an Airmaster AP420 Constant Speed Propeller combo.
=C2- I would appreciate any word, rumors etc on this topic and realize th
at such a combo would be rare here in the States, but may not be unusual in
Australia, New Zealand or Tasmania since both the Jabiru and Airmaster are
products of that region. =0A=C2-=0AJay Parker
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| From: | Brett Hanley <bretttdc(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/30/10 |
Any one out there have a list of steel and aluminum to plans build a 750?
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| Subject: | Chat reminder for "Digesters" |
www.mykitairplane.com http://www.mykitairplane.com/>
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
www.mykitairplane.com http://www.mykitairplane.com/>
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
| Subject: | Chat Reminder For "Digesters" |
www.mykitairplane.com http://www.mykitairplane.com/>
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Chat Reminder for "Digesters" |
| From: | "Stefan" <wageners(at)gmail.com> |
Is anybody ever going to this chat?
The posting is a repeat of a repeat of a repeate and the link he provides is not
even working.
So what is deal here?
Stefan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297309#297309
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Chat Reminder |
| From: | "Stefan" <wageners(at)gmail.com> |
Is anybody ever going to this chat?
The posting is a repeat of a repeat of a repeat and the link he provides is not
even working.
So what is deal here?
Stefan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297311#297311
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jon Croke" <Jon(at)joncroke.com> |
| Subject: | Glass Panel construction for CH750 |
FYI - New!
HomebuiltHELP's popular DVD on constructing Glass Panels has been revised
(May 10, 2010) to include a chapter devoted to designing and building a
high-tech glass cockpit for the CH750 - modeled after the panel used in the
Zenith factory demonstrator aircraft.
Details: http://homebuilthelp.com/CH750/CH750BuildVideos.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | =?windows-1252?Q?Jeff_Francis=99?= <jeff(at)gritch.org> |
| Subject: | Anybody building a CH-750 in Western Washington? |
I think I've finally settled on the CH-750. Anybody building one in the
Seattle (or at least Western Washington) area? I live just up the hill from
S43. I'd love to buy somebody beer/dinner and pick their brain (and sit in
their plane, if they wouldn't mind - I'm 6'4" and want to check the fit).
I'll be at Oshkosh this Summer, but was hoping to get started with some of
the preliminaries sooner than that.
--
-=jeff=-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vernon" <vwknott(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anybody building a CH-750 in Western Washington? |
HI Jeff
I think you'll fit I am 6' and I have lots of room.I have been working
on might About one and half years.And have wings, horizontal tail,
rudder,
and fuselage I am working on interment panel now Dyon D60, Icom 210
radio, Grand Rapides EIS, Transponder,Lawrence 2000 GPS. I am going to
put a
Jabiru 3300 engine in it I would reamend using www.homebuilthelp.com
DVD . Lots good tips in them
You could set in mine But I live Rhode island.Let me know how your doing
I might have some tips for you
Good luck
Vernon Knott
vwknott(at)cox.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff FrancisT
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Anybody building a CH-750 in Western
Washington?
I think I've finally settled on the CH-750. Anybody building one in
the Seattle (or at least Western Washington) area? I live just up the
hill from S43. I'd love to buy somebody beer/dinner and pick their
brain (and sit in their plane, if they wouldn't mind - I'm 6'4" and want
to check the fit). I'll be at Oshkosh this Summer, but was hoping to
get started with some of the preliminaries sooner than that.
--
-=jeff=-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Curt Thompson" <Curt.Thompson(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Anybody building a CH-750 in Western Washington? |
Jeff,
I'm not building a CH750 but I have a CH701 in my garage, wings on, rudder
off, and no engine yet.
Curt
Redmond, WA, USA
_____
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
FrancisT
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:52 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Anybody building a CH-750 in Western Washington?
I think I've finally settled on the CH-750. Anybody building one in the
Seattle (or at least Western Washington) area? I live just up the hill from
S43. I'd love to buy somebody beer/dinner and pick their brain (and sit in
their plane, if they wouldn't mind - I'm 6'4" and want to check the fit).
I'll be at Oshkosh this Summer, but was hoping to get started with some of
the preliminaries sooner than that.
--
-=jeff=-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Trudeau" <edward.trudeau(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Chat Reminder |
Too busy with life and building
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stefan
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:06 PM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Re: Chat Reminder
Is anybody ever going to this chat?
The posting is a repeat of a repeat of a repeat and the link he provides is
not even working.
So what is deal here?
Stefan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297311#297311
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brett Hanley <bretttdc(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/18/10 |
I am thinking of using 4130 tube with streamline PVC strut covering on my 750.
My 701 used 1.125 X 0.035 tube struts. What size tube would be apropriate for
the 750 struts?
Can someone that has a 750 tell me what the strut lengths are?
Brett
Sent from my iPhone
On May 19, 2010, at 2:58 AM, Zenith750-List Digest Server
wrote:
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| From: | Brett Hanley <bretttdc(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/24/10 |
Any one out there have the length of the struts?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 25, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Zenith750-List Digest Server
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
| Subject: | Chat Reminder for "Digesters" |
www.mykitairplane.com http://www.mykitairplane.com/>
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
www.mykitairplane.com http://www.mykitairplane.com/>
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "david van lanen" <davevanlanen(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Zenith Aircraft Tools For Sale |
New Zenith builders: Here is a great opportunity to purchase most of the
tools needed to build a Zenith aircraft at a discount. Everything is
reduced 20% or more off the prices I paid. Tools were hardly used, as I
sold my 601XL project after completing the tail and flight controls. I am
looking to sell as a complete set. Purchase the complete set, and I will
pay for shipping within the continental U.S. E-mail me offline for a
detailed list of tools with photos: davevanlanen(at)sbcglobal.net.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "david van lanen" <davevanlanen(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Zenith Work Table For Sale |
High quality, perfectly flat work table for building a Zenith aircraft. Has
adjustable legs, and built-in storage for clecos, rivets, tools and aircraft
parts. Hardly used, (I sold my 601XL project early in the build). Will
sell for half the cost of materials used to build. Can be partially or
completely disassembled for transport. U pick up (Madison, Wisconsin).
E-mail me offline for details and photos: davevanlanen(at)sbcglobal.net.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: http://www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Teter" <woodnut(at)truetechsys.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Chat Reminder |
George,
What's my password to get logged in?
Thanks,
David Teter
Sparta, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: George Race
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Chat Reminder
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: http://www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
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06/14/10 06:35:00
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| Subject: | Re: Glass Panel construction for CH750 |
| From: | Ken Ryan <keninalaska(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Jon,
Just sent my subscription renewal and $5 + old CD for the Glass panel
upgrade.
Also, last night just for grins and giggles I experimented with doing a
little aluminum polishing. It didn't seem as difficult as I'd heard (but I
only worked on a small section). I was thinking that might possibly be a
video opportunity for you, as aluminum polishing is something foreign to
many people.
Anyway, keep up the good work. Your video on wing construction is proving
far more beneficial than the factory photo guides.
Ken Ryan
Anchorage, Alaska
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Jon Croke wrote:
>
> FYI - New!
>
> HomebuiltHELP's popular DVD on constructing Glass Panels has been revised
> (May 10, 2010) to include a chapter devoted to designing and building a
> high-tech glass cockpit for the CH750 - modeled after the panel used in the
> Zenith factory demonstrator aircraft.
>
> Details: http://homebuilthelp.com/CH750/CH750BuildVideos.htm
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: The folding wing option |
| From: | "eightyknots" <scorchedenvelope(at)hotmail.com> |
[Question] In addition to the price (does anyone know this?), is there any word
on the extra WEIGHT for the folding wing option?? [Question]
--------
Hank
I am looking for a STOL high-wing plane to build, starting some time during 2009.
Will it be an ICP Savannah, a Zenith CH-701, an Aeroprakt Foxbat/A22/Valor,
etc ... ?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301842#301842
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
DO NOT ENTER ANY PASSWORD, JUST YOUR USER NAME CHOICE
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: http://www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
DO NOT ENTER ANY PASSWORD, JUST YOUR USER NAME CHOICE
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: http://www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
DO NOT ENTER ANY PASSWORD, JUST YOUR USER NAME CHOICE
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: http://www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Teter" <woodnut(at)truetechsys.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Chat Reminder |
What is my user name?
David Teter
Sparta, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: George Race
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Chat Reminder
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
DO NOT ENTER ANY PASSWORD, JUST YOUR USER NAME CHOICE
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: http://www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
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07/05/10 06:36:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
DO NOT ENTER ANY PASSWORD, JUST YOUR USER NAME CHOICE
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: http://www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Informal campfire gathering at Oshkosh |
| From: | "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net> |
This is an invitation to a campfire gathering at Oshkosh for Zenith builders, flyers
and others. Dr. Ed Moody and I are going to attempt to set our camps up
side by side in some yet to be determined location in Camp Scholler. IF we are
successful, we are inviting anyone who is interested to join us (weather permitting)
for an informal gathering Tuesday (July 27) starting at 6 PM until whenever.
This event should not be confused with the Builders Dinner on Thursday.
Bring your lawn chairs, beverages and etc. If you want to cook a hot dog or marshmallows
over the fire, well have some campfire forks but otherwise it is BYO.
Well provide a place and a fire the rest is up to you.
Directions to our camps will be posted at the Zenith display and the bulletin boards
nearest the East Gate to Camp Scholler and the Camper Locator building at
the intersection of Schaick and Stitts Streets. Schaick is the main east-west
road through the camp. Well have a small sign by the street and Ed will have
a 5th Wheel while Ill have a white Mercedes Sprinter Van converted to a camper.
I will also have my cell phone on from late afternoon on Tuesday. I wont have
much opportunity to charge it so most of the time I am in Oshkosh it will be off.
The # is 810-357-7575.
In closing Ed & I are taking the attitude that well provide a place and see what
happens. At the very least, he and I will have a chance to talk face-to-face
and compare the merits of Louisiana Boudin to Michigan Bratwurst.
Enjoy Oshkosh!
Tim Juhl
--------
______________
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Tearing wings apart for modification
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305184#305184
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Trudeau" <edward.trudeau(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Informal campfire gathering at Oshkosh |
Sounds like fun, but I won't be arriving until Thurs late PM... Have fun.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:26 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Informal campfire gathering at Oshkosh
This is an invitation to a campfire gathering at Oshkosh for Zenith builders, flyers
and others. Dr. Ed Moody and I are going to attempt to set our camps up
side by side in some yet to be determined location in Camp Scholler. IF we are
successful, we are inviting anyone who is interested to join us (weather permitting)
for an informal gathering Tuesday (July 27) starting at 6 PM until whenever.
This event should not be confused with the Builders Dinner on Thursday.
Bring your lawn chairs, beverages and etc. If you want to cook a hot dog or marshmallows
over the fire, well have some campfire forks but otherwise it is BYO.
Well provide a place and a fire the rest is up to you.
Directions to our camps will be posted at the Zenith display and the bulletin boards
nearest the East Gate to Camp Scholler and the Camper Locator building at
the intersection of Schaick and Stitts Streets. Schaick is the main east-west
road through the camp. Well have a small sign by the street and Ed will have
a 5th Wheel while Ill have a white Mercedes Sprinter Van converted to a camper.
I will also have my cell phone on from late afternoon on Tuesday. I wont have
much opportunity to charge it so most of the time I am in Oshkosh it will be off.
The # is 810-357-7575.
In closing Ed & I are taking the attitude that well provide a place and see what
happens. At the very least, he and I will have a chance to talk face-to-face
and compare the merits of Louisiana Boudin to Michigan Bratwurst.
Enjoy Oshkosh!
Tim Juhl
--------
______________
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Tearing wings apart for modification
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305184#305184
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Cruikshank" <n19z(at)dslextreme.com> |
An 0-200 firewall forward package is for sale at the Livermore Airport.
(Near oakland CA.)
Owner is parting out an original homebuilt. Has wood prop (low speed
airplane) J-3 type cowl light weight starter and alternator. 150 hr.
since major. I think the asking price is $14K.
Seller is Walter Treadwell and his e-mail address is
descon38(at)hotmail.com
Bruce
PS I wish I'd known of this before I bought the engine for my project.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
| Subject: | Chat Room Comments |
Hello to all:
Hope many of you have had a great adventure to the annual Oshkosh happening.
Some have flamed me, both publicly and privately, for cluttering up the
"List" with my weekly Chat Room reminder messages. Some of you have told me
that it really serves no purpose other than giving me a place to talk about
and advertise my products. Some of you have expressed how much you enjoy
the chat room.
The chat room has been going on for over two years, and there have been a
lot of collective users. Some are very regular and hardly ever miss; others
have stopped by from time to time. It is a great place to bring up thoughts
and ideas about building your Zenith Airplane. Over the past months many
suggested solutions to questions ask have been offered. It is also a great
place to find out, in a 1 on 1 type of situation, how your friends build is
progressing.
For the last two weeks I have not sent out any Chat Room notices. For the
last two weeks no one has shown up for the Monday evening chat room, other
than me. I know that Oshkosh takes a lot of you away from your keyboard and
screen. For others this is also family vacation time of year.
I guess it is time to ask some questions about the chat room operation.
Is it time to abandon the chat room?
Should the chat room continue but maybe at a different day and time?
Is there a problem with the format of the chat room?
Any comments and suggestions will be appreciated, both publically and
private.
My direct email address is: George(at)MrRace.Com if you wish to comment
directly to me.
This is also a reminder that the Chat Room will be open for business, Monday
evening, August 2nd, and 8:00 Eastern Time.
Hope to see many of you there and hear about your Oshkosh adventures!
George
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brett Hanley <bretttdc(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Zenith750-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/27/10 |
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: Brett Hanley <bretttdc(at)yahoo.com>
Date: August 1, 2010 1:13:30 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/27/10
I was at osh this weekend. Did you guys know that the new 750 plans will be released
soon? The new gross will be 1440 pounds. Will accomodate much larger engines
now. Will still be able to register at 1320.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 1, 2010, at 9:49 AM, "Steve Kurash" wrote:
Thought this might be of interest to you and
Patrick........................dontt know if you are regularly monitoring
the Zenith lists..
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Zenith750-List Digest Server
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:59 AM
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1. 08:49 AM - 0-200 for sale (Bruce Cruikshank)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: "Bruce Cruikshank" <n19z(at)dslextreme.com>
Subject: Zenith750-List: 0-200 for sale
An 0-200 firewall forward package is for sale at the Livermore Airport.
(Near oakland CA.)
Owner is parting out an original homebuilt. Has wood prop (low speed
airplane) J-3 type cowl light weight starter and alternator. 150 hr.
since major. I think the asking price is $14K.
Seller is Walter Treadwell and his e-mail address is
descon38(at)hotmail.com
Bruce
PS I wish I'd known of this before I bought the engine for my project.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Trudeau" <edward.trudeau(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Chat Room Comments |
Mondays are not great for me.
Also, I tend to ask my questions immediately on the lists, rather than wait
for Monday.
The format is fine.
Thanks for all you do!
Ed Trudeau
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Race
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Chat Room Comments
Hello to all:
Hope many of you have had a great adventure to the annual Oshkosh happening.
Some have flamed me, both publicly and privately, for cluttering up the
"List" with my weekly Chat Room reminder messages. Some of you have told me
that it really serves no purpose other than giving me a place to talk about
and advertise my products. Some of you have expressed how much you enjoy
the chat room.
The chat room has been going on for over two years, and there have been a
lot of collective users. Some are very regular and hardly ever miss; others
have stopped by from time to time. It is a great place to bring up thoughts
and ideas about building your Zenith Airplane. Over the past months many
suggested solutions to questions ask have been offered. It is also a great
place to find out, in a 1 on 1 type of situation, how your friends build is
progressing.
For the last two weeks I have not sent out any Chat Room notices. For the
last two weeks no one has shown up for the Monday evening chat room, other
than me. I know that Oshkosh takes a lot of you away from your keyboard and
screen. For others this is also family vacation time of year.
I guess it is time to ask some questions about the chat room operation.
Is it time to abandon the chat room?
Should the chat room continue but maybe at a different day and time?
Is there a problem with the format of the chat room?
Any comments and suggestions will be appreciated, both publically and
private.
My direct email address is: George(at)MrRace.Com if you wish to comment
directly to me.
This is also a reminder that the Chat Room will be open for business, Monday
evening, August 2nd, and 8:00 Eastern Time.
Hope to see many of you there and hear about your Oshkosh adventures!
George
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
DO NOT ENTER ANY PASSWORD, JUST YOUR USER NAME CHOICE
Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders
My Products: http://www.mykitairplane.com/Products/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tommy Walker" <twalker(at)cableone.net> |
Listers,
I have a few hundred used Clecos for sale.
All sizes.
If interested, email me at twalker(at)cableone.net for the amount and price.
Shipping from Anniston, AL
N7462M
N8701
N8701T
N5HU
--------
Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309446#309446
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
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| From: | Tom Vesely <tomvesely(at)comcast.net> |
Any CH750 builders in the Utah, Idaho, Nevada area?
Tom Vesely
tomvesely(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> |
I want to be one, but have yet to receive permission from war department. I
am still working on it....I live in Ogden, Utah and have my first project
(RV10) (completed 2.5 years ago) at the Ogden airport. I have dreams of
building a 750 to do some mountain and desert adventures. Want to keep it
light, min avionics and no paint, in order to get in and out of the mountain
strips in Idaho.
Just a dream for now.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Vesely
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 7:57 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Utah Builders
Any CH750 builders in the Utah, Idaho, Nevada area?
Tom Vesely
tomvesely(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com> |
Sort of: I have a 701 at Heber airport (36U). And a 601XL.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Vesely
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:57 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Utah Builders
Any CH750 builders in the Utah, Idaho, Nevada area?
Tom Vesely
tomvesely(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "Jon Croke" <Jon(at)joncroke.com> |
| Subject: | New Rotax 912 Ch750 engine installation video |
For Ch750 Builders: HomebuiltHELP has just released a video DVD on
installing a ROTAX 912S in the CH750!
This installation demonstration was provided by Mark Townsend of Can-zac
Aviation
For details and sample clips, visit:
http://homebuilthelp.com/CH750/Rotax912750.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com> |
| Subject: | New Rotax 912 Ch750 engine installation video |
So is Can-zac set up to sell the FWF for the 912 to US 750 builders? ZAC in
Mexico, MO does not appear to offer it or any other FWF kit for the 750.
They still list the 912-based FWF kit for the 701 though.
Quality Sportplanes in California opted to hang a Jabiru 3300 on the front
of their 750. But the FWF kit came from Jabiru/USA.
-- Craig
_____
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Croke
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:56 PM
Subject: Zenith750-List: New Rotax 912 Ch750 engine installation video
For Ch750 Builders: HomebuiltHELP has just released a video DVD on
installing a ROTAX 912S in the CH750!
This installation demonstration was provided by Mark Townsend of Can-zac
Aviation
For details and sample clips, visit:
<http://homebuilthelp.com/CH750/Rotax912750.htm>
http://homebuilthelp.com/CH750/Rotax912750.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jon Croke" <Jon(at)joncroke.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Rotax 912 Ch750 engine installation video |
HI Craig,
I just called Zenith and talked to Shirley... I didn't realize it was
not listed on the website - you are correct - I could not find it
either!
It IS available directly from Zenith (manufactured by Zenair, not
Can-zac) for the current price of $6125.
Also, the Jabiru FWF is now to be purchased directly from Zenith, as
well as the Continental (but that one is only prop, mount, baffle)
Of course, the Rotax engine is available from Zenith... but just like
seafood, the price is "market price" - ask your waiter.
I think they need to update their website for these things.........
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:15 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith750-List: New Rotax 912 Ch750 engine installation
video
So is Can-zac set up to sell the FWF for the 912 to US 750 builders?
ZAC in Mexico, MO does not appear to offer it or any other FWF kit for
the 750. They still list the 912-based FWF kit for the 701 though.
Quality Sportplanes in California opted to hang a Jabiru 3300 on the
front of their 750. But the FWF kit came from Jabiru/USA.
-- Craig
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon
Croke
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:56 PM
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Zenith750-List: New Rotax 912 Ch750 engine installation video
For Ch750 Builders: HomebuiltHELP has just released a video DVD on
installing a ROTAX 912S in the CH750!
This installation demonstration was provided by Mark Townsend of
Can-zac Aviation
For details and sample clips, visit:
http://homebuilthelp.com/CH750/Rotax912750.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Chat Reminder |
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| Subject: | Flying =?UTF-8?Q? =37=35=30s=3F? |
| From: | Don/Marcia Piermattei <dlpier(at)lamar.colostate.edu> |
I am near to flying a 750 at Fort Collins CO. Are there any flying in the
region that I could get some right seat time in?
Don Piermattei
970-568-9047
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/26/10 |
| From: | "n19z (at)dslextreme.com" <n19z(at)dslextreme.com> |
Don,
I'm at the point of fitting the struts to my 750. I discovered that the
upper and lower strut attachments do not line up with the FRONT strut when
viewed from the front. Did you notice this, how did you deal with it? I
hate it when parts don't fir!
Bruce Kit #7587 Castto Valley CA
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Zenith750-List Digest Server <
zenith750-list(at)matronics.com> wrote:
> *
>
> =================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
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>
> Today's complete Zenith750-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Zenith750-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
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> Today's Message Index:
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>
> 1. 06:27 AM - Flying =?UTF-8?Q? =37=35=30s=3F? (Don/Marcia Piermattei)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Zenith750-List: Flying =?UTF-8?Q? =37=35=30s=3F?
> From: Don/Marcia Piermattei <dlpier(at)lamar.colostate.edu>
>
>
> I am near to flying a 750 at Fort Collins CO. Are there any flying in the
> region that I could get some right seat time in?
> Don Piermattei
> 970-568-9047
>
>
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| From: | "John Flavin" <jf701(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/26/10 (750 front |
strut problem)
I and at least several others encountered this same problem with the
front strut while building 701's. In our case, the relative angle
between the lower fitting on the landing gear and the upper attach point
on the wing was wrong. These were on the one-piece struts where the
entire strut was welded in a single piece, and right and left side were
off by the same amount. Solution was to cut the top ends off the struts
and top it with a sleeve (purchased from Zenith--in my humble opinion
they should have provided it at no charge) that was free to rotate to
the correct angle, then drill and bolt it in place. From what I
understand, Zenith subsequently went back to providing 2-piece struts
for the 701s to avoid this problem. Check the 701 archives for details.
II'm surprised to hear they are back to one-piece in the 750, but if
the problem is the same, the solution probably is too...
John
CH701 95% done, Olathe, KS
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/26/10 (750 front |
strut problem)
| From: | Ken Ryan <keninalaska(at)gmail.com> |
750 struts consist of a length of streamlined aluminum tubing, and welded
steel fittings that slide into each end.
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:18 AM, John Flavin wrote:
> I and at least several others encountered this same problem with the
> front strut while building 701's. In our case, the relative angle between
> the lower fitting on the landing gear and the upper attach point on the wing
> was wrong. These were on the one-piece struts where the entire strut was
> welded in a single piece, and right and left side were off by the same
> amount. Solution was to cut the top ends off the struts and top it with a
> sleeve (purchased from Zenith--in my humble opinion they should have
> provided it at no charge) that was free to rotate to the correct angle, then
> drill and bolt it in place. From what I understand, Zenith subsequently
> went back to providing 2-piece struts for the 701s to avoid this problem.
> Check the 701 archives for details. II'm surprised to hear they are back to
> one-piece in the 750, but if the problem is the same, the solution probably
> is too...
>
> John
> CH701 95% done, Olathe, KS
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | cdnch701 <infow(at)mts.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/26/10 (750 front |
strut problem)
Hey ken...
What size is the streamlined aluminum tubing... looking at using for my 701
Ron
-) 750 struts consist of a length of streamlined aluminum tubing, and
-) welded steel fittings that slide into each end.
-)
-)
-) On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:18 AM, John Flavin
-) wrote:
-)
-)-) I and at least several others encountered this same problem
-)-) with the front strut while building 701's. In our case, the
-)-) relative angle between the lower fitting on the landing gear
-)-) and the upper attach point on the wing was wrong. These were
-)-) on the one-piece struts where the entire strut was welded in a
-)-) single piece, and right and left side were off by the same
-)-) amount. Solution was to cut the top ends off the struts and
-)-) top it with a sleeve (purchased from Zenith--in my humble
-)-) opinion they should have provided it at no charge) that was
-)-) free to rotate to the correct angle, then drill and bolt it in
-)-) place. From what I understand, Zenith subsequently went back
-)-) to providing 2-piece struts for the 701s to avoid this problem.
-)-) Check the 701 archives for details. II'm surprised to hear
-)-) they are back to one-piece in the 750, but if the problem is
-)-) the same, the solution probably is too...
-)-)
-)-) John
-)-) CH701 95% done, Olathe, KS
-)-)
-)-)
-)-) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith750-
-)-) List tp://forums.matronics.com
-)-) _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-)
-)
-) http://www.matronics.com/contribution _-
-) ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/26/10 (750 front |
strut problem)
| From: | Ken Ryan <keninalaska(at)gmail.com> |
Front is 31.8 X 79.4
Rear is 25.4 X 62
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:24 AM, cdnch701 wrote:
>
> Hey ken...
>
> What size is the streamlined aluminum tubing... looking at using for my 701
> Ron
>
> -) 750 struts consist of a length of streamlined aluminum tubing, and
> -) welded steel fittings that slide into each end.
> -)
> -)
> -) On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:18 AM, John Flavin
> -) wrote:
> -)
> -)-) I and at least several others encountered this same problem
> -)-) with the front strut while building 701's. In our case, the
> -)-) relative angle between the lower fitting on the landing gear
> -)-) and the upper attach point on the wing was wrong. These were
> -)-) on the one-piece struts where the entire strut was welded in a
> -)-) single piece, and right and left side were off by the same
> -)-) amount. Solution was to cut the top ends off the struts and
> -)-) top it with a sleeve (purchased from Zenith--in my humble
> -)-) opinion they should have provided it at no charge) that was
> -)-) free to rotate to the correct angle, then drill and bolt it in
> -)-) place. From what I understand, Zenith subsequently went back
> -)-) to providing 2-piece struts for the 701s to avoid this problem.
> -)-) Check the 701 archives for details. II'm surprised to hear
> -)-) they are back to one-piece in the 750, but if the problem is
> -)-) the same, the solution probably is too...
> -)-)
> -)-) John
> -)-) CH701 95% done, Olathe, KS
> -)-)
> -)-)
> -)-) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith750-
> -)-) List tp://forums.matronics.com
> -)-) _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> -)
> -)
> -) http://www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> -) ===========================================================
>
>
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| From: | cdnch701 <infow(at)mts.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/26/10 (750 front |
strut problem)
Thanks Ken...
What is the wall thickness... it seems to be very important?
-) Front is 31.8 X 79.4Rear is 25.4 X 62
-)
-)
-) On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:24 AM, cdnch701 wrote:
-)
-)-)
-)-) Hey ken...
-)-)
-)-) What size is the streamlined aluminum tubing... looking at
-)-) using for my 701 Ron
-)-)
-)-) 750 struts consist of a length of streamlined aluminum tubing,
-)-) and welded steel fittings that slide into each end.
-)-)
-)-)
-)-) On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:18 AM, John Flavin
-)-)
-)-) wrote:
-)-)
-)-) I and at least several others encountered this same problem
-)-) with the front strut while building 701's. In our case, the
-)-) relative angle between the lower fitting on the landing gear
-)-) and the upper attach point on the wing was wrong. These were
-)-) on the one-piece struts where the entire strut was welded in a
-)-) single piece, and right and left side were off by the same
-)-) amount. Solution was to cut the top ends off the struts and
-)-) top it with a sleeve (purchased from Zenith--in my humble
-)-) opinion they should have provided it at no charge) that was
-)-) free to rotate to the correct angle, then drill and bolt it in
-)-) place. From what I understand, Zenith subsequently went back
-)-) to providing 2-piece struts for the 701s to avoid this problem.
-)-) Check the 701 archives for details. II'm surprised to hear
-)-) they are back to one-piece in the 750, but if the problem is
-)-) the same, the solution probably is too...
-)-)
-)-) John
-)-) CH701 95% done, Olathe, KS
-)-)
-)-)
-)-) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith750-
-)-) List tp://forums.matronics.com
-)-) _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-)-)
-)-)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/26/10 (750 front |
strut problem)
| From: | Ken Ryan <keninalaska(at)gmail.com> |
The wall thickness is not constant. The struts are extruded and the ends are
thicker than the midsection.
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 9:01 AM, cdnch701 wrote:
>
> Thanks Ken...
>
> What is the wall thickness... it seems to be very important?
>
>
> -) Front is 31.8 X 79.4Rear is 25.4 X 62
> -)
> -)
> -) On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:24 AM, cdnch701 wrote:
> -)
> -)-)
> -)-) Hey ken...
> -)-)
> -)-) What size is the streamlined aluminum tubing... looking at
> -)-) using for my 701 Ron
> -)-)
> -)-) 750 struts consist of a length of streamlined aluminum tubing,
> -)-) and welded steel fittings that slide into each end.
> -)-)
> -)-)
> -)-) On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:18 AM, John Flavin
> -)-)
> -)-) wrote:
> -)-)
> -)-) I and at least several others encountered this same problem
> -)-) with the front strut while building 701's. In our case, the
> -)-) relative angle between the lower fitting on the landing gear
> -)-) and the upper attach point on the wing was wrong. These were
> -)-) on the one-piece struts where the entire strut was welded in a
> -)-) single piece, and right and left side were off by the same
> -)-) amount. Solution was to cut the top ends off the struts and
> -)-) top it with a sleeve (purchased from Zenith--in my humble
> -)-) opinion they should have provided it at no charge) that was
> -)-) free to rotate to the correct angle, then drill and bolt it in
> -)-) place. From what I understand, Zenith subsequently went back
> -)-) to providing 2-piece struts for the 701s to avoid this problem.
> -)-) Check the 701 archives for details. II'm surprised to hear
> -)-) they are back to one-piece in the 750, but if the problem is
> -)-) the same, the solution probably is too...
> -)-)
> -)-) John
> -)-) CH701 95% done, Olathe, KS
> -)-)
> -)-)
> -)-) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith750-
> -)-) List tp://forums.matronics.com
> -)-) _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> -)-)
> -)-)
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>
>
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Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-8 Builder and Flyer
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November List Fund Raiser |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, they will instantly cease to receive these
Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple.
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for
my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
| Subject: | Live Chat Room Tonight |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A |
Contribution Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "Robert Pelland" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make |
A Contribution Today!
Hi Matt,
I would have loved to contribut once more this year, but i'm a little
down on my luck, and also sickly, so sadly I will have to pass. Sorry I
couldn't be of more help, but I still love, appreaciate, and frequent
the lists occasionally.
best regards
Bob
Robert Pelland
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Dralle
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:19 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors -
Please Make A Contribution Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support
the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute
to show their appreciation for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors (LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the
years, the List seems at least as valuable a building / entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you
appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that
its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't
forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution... |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for
my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments... |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them over
and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation
of these services.
There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and
pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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You are providing a great service. Thanks so very much.
David L
Keep up the good work! A great website - wish I'd found it earlier!
Bob S
Thanks for providing a site for information.
Jim S
Thanks again for providing a great service to our community!
Alex M
Thanks and keep up the good work!
Robert B.
Great forum!
David S
Thanks for providing the Kolb List for the last 12 years.
John H
Long time lurker, it's a great resource...many thanks.
Ian C
Your work and effort are greatly appreciated.
Nicolas L
Thank you very much for keeping the list going!
Svein J
Thank you for your support to the community.
Valin T
I am a long time subscriber and a slow builder because of
work and two moves, but still enjoy the process and your
list.
CL M
Thanks for providing this service. It can't be beat!
Thomas W
I'm no longer a builder or flier but I like to keep in touch with
the List - which is the best organised list I've seen on the Internet.
Gerry C
Matt, you are doing a GREAT service to the community of KOLB
Builders and Flyers.
John B
I've been flying for almost two years and still find these Lists as a great
resource for information.....now I get to answer a question once-in-a-while too.
Ralph C
Thanks for this great service.
Dale E
I couldn't keep on building without the support I get from this List.
Thomas S
This is a great service to all of us.
Michael W
I am no longer actively building, but I really like to keep up with what's
going on, and I especially like to follow Bob Nuckolls - and your RV-8.
Terrence W
I really appreciate your work and consider the lists to be a great value.
Christopher R
Thanks Matt for a great resource!
Geoff T
Many thanks for providing this service. I love it.
William V
One of the best Internet Deals going...
Owen B
Thanks for the great site.
Danny S
A valuable resource.
George A
Thanks for running a great list.
Ted P
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List
services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really
said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places
on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR
CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left; Well Behind Last Year... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser. Response
has been good so far, but we're well behind last year at this point. If you've
been waiting until the last minute to make your Contribution, now might be good
time to show your support and maybe pick up a nice gift as well!
Please remember that there is no commercial advertising on these Lists and the
*only* means of keeping them running is through your Contributions during this
Fund Raiser. If it weren't for your individual Contributions, these Lists could
easily become economically infeasible and simply cease to exist.
You probably can't even take the family out to dinner for $20 these days, but your
individual Contribution of the same amount makes a huge difference in keeping
the List services alive.
Please make a Contribution today with a Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have
helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributions Down By 17%... |
Dear Listers,
As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by roughly 17%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to
keep the expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and
the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter
of hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I
ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a
modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
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| From: | Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Inventory question |
Hi;
I just started building my 750 kit and I have a newbie question re
The piece (pieces ?) of angle alum that is marked as part number "L".
Is it more than one piece or one long piece ? If one piece, how long is
it ? I did check it off when I did the inventory but now that I
need it, I'd like to know what I'm looking for. Thanks for any insights.
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| From: | Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Inventory question |
Gordon,
The 'L' angles come in 4ft lengths and you should have 62 pcs (assuming you
are have edition 2 prints).- The dimensions are defined on sheet 75-G-2
of your prints.
-
Art
750 from scratch
--- On Mon, 11/22/10, Gordon Arbeitman wrote:
From: Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith750-List: Inventory question
Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 6:28 PM
.net>
Hi;
- I just started building my 750 kit and I have a newbie question re- T
he piece (pieces ?) of angle alum that is marked as part number "L".
Is it more than one piece or one long piece ?- If one piece, how long is
it ?---I did check it off when I did the inventory but now that I
need it, I'd like to know what I'm looking for.---Thanks for any insi
ghts.
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Inventory question |
| From: | Ken Ryan <keninalaska(at)gmail.com> |
That's just the standard "L" angle that you will be using for various tasks
throughout the build. You should have a whole stack of them.
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Gordon Arbeitman
wrote:
> gordona23(at)earthlink.net>
>
> Hi;
>
> I just started building my 750 kit and I have a newbie question re The
> piece (pieces ?) of angle alum that is marked as part number "L".
>
> Is it more than one piece or one long piece ? If one piece, how long is it
> ? I did check it off when I did the inventory but now that I
>
> need it, I'd like to know what I'm looking for. Thanks for any insights.
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal, or a personal check:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... |
Dear Listers,
Curiously, even though the number of List subscriptions are significantly up this
year, support during this year's Fund Raiser is still substantially behind
last year. There are only a couple more days left in November and the end of
the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.
I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members
have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser
cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of income
might be required including some sort of advertising. Please don't let that
happen! Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping
the operation a float.
Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in
December.
The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments... |
Dear Listers,
There are just three days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. Won't you take
a monment and make a quick Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
and operation of these Forum services.
I've received some more really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions, and I've share a few below.
There are some sweet gifts available this year, so browse the selections and pickup
a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Great resource, keep it coming...
Marten V.
Thanks for maintaining these essential lists!
Rumen D.
Great Service!
Douglas D.
Thanks for this great service!
Peter T.
Thanks for your enduring support of homebuilding communications!
Daniel M.
You do a great job and provide a valuable service.
Mark B.
It's really a great source I have used a lot.
Robert K.
Reading the RV-10 list is part of my morning routine...
Perry C.
Great job running these lists.
Edward T.
Thanks for doing a tough job.
Mic T.
Your List was such a great resource for me when I built in "98".
Ron V.
Its a very useful forum.
Dave F.
Really enjoy your list...
William D.
Great service,
Gerald T.
The list still is a valuable source of information and there
are many worthwhile postings.
Graham H.
The list has seen me through an RV-9A, RV-10, and now an RV-12.
Albert G.
Thanks for a great resource!
Barry H.
Thank you for maintaining this excellent site.
Bill W.
The Matronics Email list are an invaluable service.
William C.
I appreciate the RV-10 list.
Vijay P.
Thanks for a great list and all of the work you do.
Ian W.
Thanks for keeping up this very useful list.
George R.
The list is excellent and I find it very handy for any problems
I come up against during construction.
Greg W.
The lists are an important part of my day. I've met lots of people
and made lots of friends.
Dave S.
It's really a great source I haved used a lot.
Robert K.
I read the Pietenpol List everyday.
PF B.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner with just two more days
in this year's Fund Raiser! Later in December I will post a list of everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists this year. Its
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists.
Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard,
or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its
my 47th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really
nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then
now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2010 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2010 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
Their generous contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and
running.
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I also want to thank Bob, Jon, and Andy for their generous support through the
supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and I encourage
you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2010 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2010.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
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| Subject: | It's time to retire this list |
| From: | "Stefan" <wageners(at)gmail.com> |
It was a great list initially when it was started. Now it's plain old empty based
on the fact that folks ave moved to the Zenith Aero. All the really informative
and up to date discussion on CH750 is happening there.
Hey Matt, about retiring this list?
Stefan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324418#324418
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| From: | rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
Since I'm planning on building a 750, I'd like to have a list that isn't
owned by the manufacturer available in case someone wants to say
something that Zenith doesn't want said.
Imagine how the 601 situation might have played out differently if the
only list had been owned Zenith.
Mat, please keep this list going.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/24/2010 08:48 PM, Stefan wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Stefan"
>
> It was a great list initially when it was started. Now it's plain old empty based
on the fact that folks ave moved to the Zenith Aero. All the really informative
and up to date discussion on CH750 is happening there.
>
> Hey Matt, about retiring this list?
>
> Stefan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324418#324418
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
The Matronics Lists aren't going anywhere! They'll be here as long as builders
want to use them.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
At 07:28 PM 12/24/2010 Friday, you wrote:
>
>Since I'm planning on building a 750, I'd like to have a list that isn't owned
by the manufacturer available in case someone wants to say something that Zenith
doesn't want said.
>
>Imagine how the 601 situation might have played out differently if the only list
had been owned Zenith.
>
>Mat, please keep this list going.
>
>Raymond Julian
>Kettle River, MN
>
>On 12/24/2010 08:48 PM, Stefan wrote:
>>--> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Stefan"
>>
>>It was a great list initially when it was started. Now it's plain old empty based
on the fact that folks ave moved to the Zenith Aero. All the really informative
and up to date discussion on CH750 is happening there.
>>
>>Hey Matt, about retiring this list?
>>
>>Stefan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324418#324418
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
| From: | Michael Daniels <buells2t(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks matt,
Merry Christmas my fellow builders
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702-283-3781
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On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> The Matronics Lists aren't going anywhere! They'll be here as long as
> builders want to use them.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Admin.
>
>
> At 07:28 PM 12/24/2010 Friday, you wrote:
> >
> >Since I'm planning on building a 750, I'd like to have a list that isn't
> owned by the manufacturer available in case someone wants to say something
> that Zenith doesn't want said.
> >
> >Imagine how the 601 situation might have played out differently if the
> only list had been owned Zenith.
> >
> >Mat, please keep this list going.
> >
> >Raymond Julian
> >Kettle River, MN
> >
> >On 12/24/2010 08:48 PM, Stefan wrote:
> >>--> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Stefan"
> >>
> >>It was a great list initially when it was started. Now it's plain old
> empty based on the fact that folks ave moved to the Zenith Aero. All the
> really informative and up to date discussion on CH750 is happening there.
> >>
> >>Hey Matt, about retiring this list?
> >>
> >>Stefan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324418#324418
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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| From: | "fritz" <klondike(at)megalink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan" <wageners(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: Zenith750-List: It's time to retire this list
>
> It was a great list initially when it was started. Now it's plain old
> empty based on the fact that folks ave moved to the Zenith Aero. All the
> really informative and up to date discussion on CH750 is happening there.
>
> Hey Matt, about retiring this list?
>
> Stefan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324418#324418
>
>
>
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| From: | "fritz" <klondike(at)megalink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
I agree!!!!!!!!!!! I am on the 701, 750, 601, Continental list----- and
they all dead except for an rare post.
Basicly this list is waste of time-----
Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan" <wageners(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: Zenith750-List: It's time to retire this list
>
> It was a great list initially when it was started. Now it's plain old
> empty based on the fact that folks ave moved to the Zenith Aero. All the
> really informative and up to date discussion on CH750 is happening there.
>
> Hey Matt, about retiring this list?
>
> Stefan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324418#324418
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dave G" <d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | It's time to retire this list |
And yet you still check it?
The list is fine as far as I'm concerned, some others feel similarly.
Perhaps those who do not enjoy or use it could exercise the option of
ignoring it rather than advocate for its demise. The total silence except
for those asking a question and getting answers beats the tar out of wading
through dozens of discussions about things like this.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of fritz
Sent: December-25-10 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: It's time to retire this list
I agree!!!!!!!!!!! I am on the 701, 750, 601, Continental list----- and
they all dead except for an rare post.
Basicly this list is waste of time-----
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| From: | "fritz" <klondike(at)megalink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
like to keep you folks honest
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G" <d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith750-List: It's time to retire this list
>
> And yet you still check it?
> The list is fine as far as I'm concerned, some others feel similarly.
> Perhaps those who do not enjoy or use it could exercise the option of
> ignoring it rather than advocate for its demise. The total silence except
> for those asking a question and getting answers beats the tar out of
> wading
> through dozens of discussions about things like this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of fritz
> Sent: December-25-10 8:51 AM
> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: It's time to retire this list
>
>
> I agree!!!!!!!!!!! I am on the 701, 750, 601, Continental list----- and
> they all dead except for an rare post.
> Basicly this list is waste of time-----
>
>
>
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
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Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
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| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
| From: | "Stefan" <wageners(at)gmail.com> |
As I said time to retire. Nothing new other then Chat reminders. Maybe combine
with the 701 list. Would save bandwidth and resources.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324956#324956
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
At 04:17 PM 12/29/2010 Wednesday, you wrote:
>
>As I said time to retire. Nothing new other then Chat reminders. Maybe combine
with the 701 list. Would save bandwidth and resources.
Stefan,
Why don't you just unsubscribe from the List? What purpose does "retiring" the
list serve? If you don't appreciate its existence, then move along. Please
refrain from any further disparaging remarks regarding this List. I will not
be disbanding the List any time soon.
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List Admin
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| From: | "David Teter" <woodnut(at)truetechsys.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
Matt,
Keep up the great work and service you provide to so many in the aviation
community. Thank you
for the sacrifice you make to keep all the hardware and software up and
running with no hick-ups.
I'm a member of several of your lists...cozy, canard, Zenith. They're all
great.
Blessings,
David
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| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
| From: | Walt Snyder <waltersnyder(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you, Matt, when more builders start their 750s, we will appreciate it.
I don't think he gets it.
Walt Snyder
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> At 04:17 PM 12/29/2010 Wednesday, you wrote:
> >
> >As I said time to retire. Nothing new other then Chat reminders. Maybe
> combine with the 701 list. Would save bandwidth and resources.
>
> Stefan,
>
> Why don't you just unsubscribe from the List? What purpose does "retiring"
> the list serve? If you don't appreciate its existence, then move along.
> Please refrain from any further disparaging remarks regarding this List. I
> will not be disbanding the List any time soon.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics EMail List Admin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
| From: | "Stefan" <wageners(at)gmail.com> |
Matt,
Maybe because I asked you in 2008 to start this list in case you forgot! Maybe
I can also have an opinion about its usefulness.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324982#324982
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| From: | "blackmore(at)platinum.ca" <blackmore(at)platinum.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
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| From: | Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/29/10 |
Stefan;
If you ask someone to provide a service and he agrees to your
request BUT YOU'RE NOT PAYING HIM
then you don't "own" anything. He does. It doesn't matter if you were
the first to recognize the need for
a Zenith 750 forum. That does not give you any more power over it than
the rest of us have. It's Matt's
forum and he gets to decide.
One last observation: The only thing worse than a dormant forum is
one that contains too much drama.
Please follow your current interests elsewhere and leave this list to
those of us who find it useful.
On 12/30/10 2:58 AM, Zenith750-List Digest Server wrote:
> *
>
> =================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> =================================================
>
> Today's complete Zenith750-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Zenith750-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-12-29&Archive=Zenith750
>
> Text Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-12-29&Archive=Zenith750
>
>
> ===============================================
> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> ===============================================
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Zenith750-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Wed 12/29/10: 5
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 04:20 PM - Re: It's time to retire this list (Stefan)
> 2. 04:39 PM - Re: It's time to retire this list (Matt Dralle)
> 3. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: It's time to retire this list (David Teter)
> 4. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: It's time to retire this list (Walt Snyder)
> 5. 08:12 PM - Re: It's time to retire this list (Stefan)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Zenith750-List: Re: It's time to retire this list
> From: "Stefan"<wageners(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> As I said time to retire. Nothing new other then Chat reminders. Maybe combine
> with the 701 list. Would save bandwidth and resources.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324956#324956
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Matt Dralle<dralle(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith750-List: Re: It's time to retire this list
>
>
> At 04:17 PM 12/29/2010 Wednesday, you wrote:
>> As I said time to retire. Nothing new other then Chat reminders. Maybe combine
> with the 701 list. Would save bandwidth and resources.
>
> Stefan,
>
> Why don't you just unsubscribe from the List? What purpose does "retiring" the
> list serve? If you don't appreciate its existence, then move along. Please
> refrain from any further disparaging remarks regarding this List. I will not
> be disbanding the List any time soon.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics EMail List Admin
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David Teter"<woodnut(at)truetechsys.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Re: It's time to retire this list
>
>
> Matt,
> Keep up the great work and service you provide to so many in the aviation
> community. Thank you
> for the sacrifice you make to keep all the hardware and software up and
> running with no hick-ups.
> I'm a member of several of your lists...cozy, canard, Zenith. They're all
> great.
>
> Blessings,
> David
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Re: It's time to retire this list
> From: Walt Snyder<waltersnyder(at)gmail.com>
>
> Thank you, Matt, when more builders start their 750s, we will appreciate it.
> I don't think he gets it.
> Walt Snyder
>
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>> At 04:17 PM 12/29/2010 Wednesday, you wrote:
>>> As I said time to retire. Nothing new other then Chat reminders. Maybe
>> combine with the 701 list. Would save bandwidth and resources.
>>
>> Stefan,
>>
>> Why don't you just unsubscribe from the List? What purpose does "retiring"
>> the list serve? If you don't appreciate its existence, then move along.
>> Please refrain from any further disparaging remarks regarding this List.
I
>> will not be disbanding the List any time soon.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>> Matronics EMail List Admin
>>
>>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Zenith750-List: Re: It's time to retire this list
> From: "Stefan"<wageners(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Matt,
>
> Maybe because I asked you in 2008 to start this list in case you forgot! Maybe
> I can also have an opinion about its usefulness.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324982#324982
>
>
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| From: | "fritz" <klondike(at)megalink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
I think he does "get it".-------- Most folks that are serious builders
have left this list---- the lack of traffic
says it all. More "chat reminders" than anything else. Matt could
combine the 701, 801, 750, 601,
Corvair and Continental and there still wouldn't be much traffic.
Most lists turn into a clique anyways----- folks don't want answers to
problems--- they want " reinforcement"
to what they want to do anyways.
Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: Walt Snyder
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Re: It's time to retire this list
Thank you, Matt, when more builders start their 750s, we will
appreciate it. I don't think he gets it.
Walt Snyder
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Matt Dralle
wrote:
At 04:17 PM 12/29/2010 Wednesday, you wrote:
>
>As I said time to retire. Nothing new other then Chat reminders.
Maybe combine with the 701 list. Would save bandwidth and resources.
Stefan,
Why don't you just unsubscribe from the List? What purpose does
"retiring" the list serve? If you don't appreciate its existence, then
move along. Please refrain from any further disparaging remarks
regarding this List. I will not be disbanding the List any time soon.
Thank you,
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Matronics EMail List Admin
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| From: | "Dave" <d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
And there exactly is the point of keeping this one. Until S. began his
campaign to kill this list it was silent except for short questions and
answers, no long winded discussions or other news and current affairs.
His original complaint was "waste of time" to check it. If there is not
any useless "noise" like this discussion it takes no time at all to
track the list. I like it that way.
So, lets leave the list and kill this thread, no replies would be nice.
----- Original Message -----
From: fritz
Most lists turn into a clique anyways----- folks don't want answers to
problems--- they want " reinforcement"
to what they want to do anyways.
Fritz
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| From: | rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> |
I weighing my options for engines right now and would like some input
from those who are doing the same or have already made their decision.
I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
Looking forward to any comments except that I should retire this list
and post somewhere else. :)
--
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
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| From: | "Dave" <d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best for
your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200. Reliable,
proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is ideal for a
draggy slow aircraft.
>
>
> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
| From: | Ken Ryan <keninalaska(at)gmail.com> |
Recommend you look over the Jabiru list archives before making your
decision. I fournd it to be an eye opener.
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, rayj wrote:
>
> I weighing my options for engines right now and would like some input from
> those who are doing the same or have already made their decision.
>
> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the best
> cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>
> Looking forward to any comments except that I should retire this list and
> post somewhere else. :)
> --
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
>
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| From: | rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Dave,
Thanks for the reply.
I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>
>>
>>
>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com> |
There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for some
reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
Dave,
Thanks for the reply.
I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>
>>
>>
>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave" <d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
I understand, there is where the "best for your situation" comes in. One can
get uncertified O-200's or ones in need of service or in unknown condition
so inexpensively that I could never overlook them. They are simple in the
extreme and easy to service. If you cannot achieve the "extremely
inexpensive" position with it then other options become more attractive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rayj" <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I looking
> for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>
> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>>
>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Craig,
Thanks for the reply.
I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
about the rotax.
My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>
> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for some
> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>
> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"
>>
>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com> |
I'm afraid you have to put resale value aside, regardless of your engine
choice. Look through Branstormers and there are all kinds of experimentals
for sale at below what the builders have in them.
Also (having owned but not flown Corvair, Jabiru and Rotax engines on Zenith
aircraft) you will have a hard time meeting your desire for a "tab A in slot
B" FWF. You can get close but if you read through the engine-specific lists
you see a lot of tinkering is required. Part of this is the "Internet
effect" - only those with problems post messages. But none of these FWF kits
are a slam-dunk. On the Jabiru you get to fiddle with the cooling and carb.
In a slow flying plane like the 750 cooling is an issue. If you ask William
Wynne I don't think he ever achieved adequate cooling on the Corvair-powerd
701.
I'm putting a Rotax on my 701 but it might be underpowered for the 750. Of
course I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by 10,000 ft peaks so I am more
sensitive to power needs.
Also pay attention to weight and balance. Getting accurate data is hard but
with the wrong engine you can end up with a plane that is not very useful.
The best thing to do is get real W&B numbers from flying 750.
If I was in your shoes and expected to fly below 5000 ft I would look hard
at the Rotax. There is a lot of plumbing to hook up. But it is light, there
are thousands flying and it will run cool at low speeds. I know of two that
have flown around the world (one with legs of 23+ hours).
If you choose to build a non-LSA 750 (via the new gross limit) you will have
more choices. But I suspect that a non-LSA 750 would be harder to sell.
If your future is uncertain then rent. You can get a lot of hours in a
Cessna 150 for the price of a 750.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
Craig,
Thanks for the reply.
I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
about the rotax.
My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
Payne"
>
> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
some
> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>
> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"
>>
>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com> |
This is what Jon Croke wrote about the factory FWF packages for the 750 in
September:
"I just called Zenith and talked to Shirley... I didn't realize it was not
listed on the website - you are correct - I could not find it either!
It IS available directly from Zenith (manufactured by Zenair, not Can-zac)
for the current price of $6125.
Also, the Jabiru FWF is now to be purchased directly from Zenith, as well as
the Continental (but that one is only prop, mount, baffle)
Of course, the Rotax engine is available from Zenith... but just like
seafood, the price is "market price" - ask your waiter."
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
Craig,
Thanks for the reply.
I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
about the rotax.
My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
Payne"
>
> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
some
> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>
> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"
>>
>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Craig,
You bring up some interesting points. Unfortunately, renting a 150 isn't
and option. I'll keep doing my research.
Does anybody know right off hand if Zenith usually has any show specials
at Air Venture? Same question for Rotax, Jab, and Cont.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 02:36 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>
> I'm afraid you have to put resale value aside, regardless of your engine
> choice. Look through Branstormers and there are all kinds of experimentals
> for sale at below what the builders have in them.
>
> Also (having owned but not flown Corvair, Jabiru and Rotax engines on Zenith
> aircraft) you will have a hard time meeting your desire for a "tab A in slot
> B" FWF. You can get close but if you read through the engine-specific lists
> you see a lot of tinkering is required. Part of this is the "Internet
> effect" - only those with problems post messages. But none of these FWF kits
> are a slam-dunk. On the Jabiru you get to fiddle with the cooling and carb.
> In a slow flying plane like the 750 cooling is an issue. If you ask William
> Wynne I don't think he ever achieved adequate cooling on the Corvair-powerd
> 701.
>
> I'm putting a Rotax on my 701 but it might be underpowered for the 750. Of
> course I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by 10,000 ft peaks so I am more
> sensitive to power needs.
>
> Also pay attention to weight and balance. Getting accurate data is hard but
> with the wrong engine you can end up with a plane that is not very useful.
> The best thing to do is get real W&B numbers from flying 750.
>
> If I was in your shoes and expected to fly below 5000 ft I would look hard
> at the Rotax. There is a lot of plumbing to hook up. But it is light, there
> are thousands flying and it will run cool at low speeds. I know of two that
> have flown around the world (one with legs of 23+ hours).
>
> If you choose to build a non-LSA 750 (via the new gross limit) you will have
> more choices. But I suspect that a non-LSA 750 would be harder to sell.
>
> If your future is uncertain then rent. You can get a lot of hours in a
> Cessna 150 for the price of a 750.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>
> Craig,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
> they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
> about the rotax.
>
> My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
> conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
> is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
> unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
> Payne"
>>
>> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
> some
>> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
>> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
>> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
>> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>>
>> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
>> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"
>>>
>>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>>
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Ken,
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll take a look.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 01:12 PM, Ken Ryan wrote:
> Recommend you look over the Jabiru list archives before making your
> decision. I fournd it to be an eye opener.
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, rayj > wrote:
>
> >
>
> I weighing my options for engines right now and would like some
> input from those who are doing the same or have already made their
> decision.
>
> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like
> the best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>
> Looking forward to any comments except that I should retire this
> list and post somewhere else. :)
> --
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
| From: | Michael Daniels <buells2t(at)gmail.com> |
I'm in the same spot trying to decide which engine. I'm not far along in my build
so I have some time. I'm leaning toward the 3300 as well. Seems like a good
bang for the buck. I have read most of the issues owners have had and have heard
that the new cowl fixes most of the cooling issues. I have a friend flying
a 3300 in a Bush Caddy and he loves it.
Hard to beat the reliability and reputation of an 0200, but 3300 weighs less with
more power too.
The Rotax seems like a good option, but pricy to buy, pricy to maintain. I'm taking
2 Rotax classes in late February maybe I will feel differently after.
Anyone on the list have a flying 750?
What are you running?
Thanks,
Mike
On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:30 PM, rayj wrote:
>
> Craig,
>
> You bring up some interesting points. Unfortunately, renting a 150 isn't and
option. I'll keep doing my research.
>
> Does anybody know right off hand if Zenith usually has any show specials at Air
Venture? Same question for Rotax, Jab, and Cont.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 02:36 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>>
>> I'm afraid you have to put resale value aside, regardless of your engine
>> choice. Look through Branstormers and there are all kinds of experimentals
>> for sale at below what the builders have in them.
>>
>> Also (having owned but not flown Corvair, Jabiru and Rotax engines on Zenith
>> aircraft) you will have a hard time meeting your desire for a "tab A in slot
>> B" FWF. You can get close but if you read through the engine-specific lists
>> you see a lot of tinkering is required. Part of this is the "Internet
>> effect" - only those with problems post messages. But none of these FWF kits
>> are a slam-dunk. On the Jabiru you get to fiddle with the cooling and carb.
>> In a slow flying plane like the 750 cooling is an issue. If you ask William
>> Wynne I don't think he ever achieved adequate cooling on the Corvair-powerd
>> 701.
>>
>> I'm putting a Rotax on my 701 but it might be underpowered for the 750. Of
>> course I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by 10,000 ft peaks so I am more
>> sensitive to power needs.
>>
>> Also pay attention to weight and balance. Getting accurate data is hard but
>> with the wrong engine you can end up with a plane that is not very useful.
>> The best thing to do is get real W&B numbers from flying 750.
>>
>> If I was in your shoes and expected to fly below 5000 ft I would look hard
>> at the Rotax. There is a lot of plumbing to hook up. But it is light, there
>> are thousands flying and it will run cool at low speeds. I know of two that
>> have flown around the world (one with legs of 23+ hours).
>>
>> If you choose to build a non-LSA 750 (via the new gross limit) you will have
>> more choices. But I suspect that a non-LSA 750 would be harder to sell.
>>
>> If your future is uncertain then rent. You can get a lot of hours in a
>> Cessna 150 for the price of a 750.
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
>> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>
>> Craig,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
>> they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
>> about the rotax.
>>
>> My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
>> conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
>> is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
>> unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
>> Payne"
>>>
>>> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
>> some
>>> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>>>
>>> -- Craig
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
>>> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
>>> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
>>> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>>>
>>> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
>>> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
>>> Raymond Julian
>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>
>>> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"
>>>>
>>>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>>>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>>>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>>>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>>>
>>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Mike,
From what I've read it sounds like Jab knows what the solution is. The
problem is whether or not it can be implemented. My gut feeling is that
Zenith has the problem solved or they wouldn't be advertising it as a
designed to fit option.
People are talking about the O200. The one Zenith lists on their web
site it the NEW O200 Lightweight. New from Cont. for the lsa market.
Cont has a good rep but is seems like there's usually a few bugs in any
new product. Zenith doesn't have a FWF package yet but they say they
are developing one.
I'm not in a big hurry to make a decision myself. I'm hoping to decide
by Oshkosh and maybe be able to take advantage of a show special.
I'd be interested to hear what you think after your classes. I've heard
rumors that you have to take a class to work on your engine, even if
it's in an experimental.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 01/01/2011 12:29 AM, Michael Daniels wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: Michael Daniels
>
> I'm in the same spot trying to decide which engine. I'm not far along in my build
so I have some time. I'm leaning toward the 3300 as well. Seems like a good
bang for the buck. I have read most of the issues owners have had and have
heard that the new cowl fixes most of the cooling issues. I have a friend flying
a 3300 in a Bush Caddy and he loves it.
>
> Hard to beat the reliability and reputation of an 0200, but 3300 weighs less
with more power too.
>
> The Rotax seems like a good option, but pricy to buy, pricy to maintain. I'm
taking 2 Rotax classes in late February maybe I will feel differently after.
>
> Anyone on the list have a flying 750?
> What are you running?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:30 PM, rayj wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>
>> Craig,
>>
>> You bring up some interesting points. Unfortunately, renting a 150 isn't and
option. I'll keep doing my research.
>>
>> Does anybody know right off hand if Zenith usually has any show specials at
Air Venture? Same question for Rotax, Jab, and Cont.
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> On 12/31/2010 02:36 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>>>
>>> I'm afraid you have to put resale value aside, regardless of your engine
>>> choice. Look through Branstormers and there are all kinds of experimentals
>>> for sale at below what the builders have in them.
>>>
>>> Also (having owned but not flown Corvair, Jabiru and Rotax engines on Zenith
>>> aircraft) you will have a hard time meeting your desire for a "tab A in slot
>>> B" FWF. You can get close but if you read through the engine-specific lists
>>> you see a lot of tinkering is required. Part of this is the "Internet
>>> effect" - only those with problems post messages. But none of these FWF kits
>>> are a slam-dunk. On the Jabiru you get to fiddle with the cooling and carb.
>>> In a slow flying plane like the 750 cooling is an issue. If you ask William
>>> Wynne I don't think he ever achieved adequate cooling on the Corvair-powerd
>>> 701.
>>>
>>> I'm putting a Rotax on my 701 but it might be underpowered for the 750. Of
>>> course I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by 10,000 ft peaks so I am more
>>> sensitive to power needs.
>>>
>>> Also pay attention to weight and balance. Getting accurate data is hard but
>>> with the wrong engine you can end up with a plane that is not very useful.
>>> The best thing to do is get real W&B numbers from flying 750.
>>>
>>> If I was in your shoes and expected to fly below 5000 ft I would look hard
>>> at the Rotax. There is a lot of plumbing to hook up. But it is light, there
>>> are thousands flying and it will run cool at low speeds. I know of two that
>>> have flown around the world (one with legs of 23+ hours).
>>>
>>> If you choose to build a non-LSA 750 (via the new gross limit) you will have
>>> more choices. But I suspect that a non-LSA 750 would be harder to sell.
>>>
>>> If your future is uncertain then rent. You can get a lot of hours in a
>>> Cessna 150 for the price of a 750.
>>>
>>> -- Craig
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
>>> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>
>>> Craig,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
>>> they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
>>> about the rotax.
>>>
>>> My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
>>> conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
>>> is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
>>> unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
>>>
>>> Raymond Julian
>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>
>>> On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
>>> Payne"
>>>>
>>>> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
>>> some
>>>> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>>>>
>>>> -- Craig
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
>>>> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>>>
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>>
>>>> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
>>>> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
>>>> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>>>>
>>>> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
>>>> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
>>>> Raymond Julian
>>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>>
>>>> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"
>>>>>
>>>>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>>>>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>>>>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>>>>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>>>>
>>>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>>>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com> |
The price of the Rotax and the Jabiru tend to be driven by the exchange rate
of the Euro and the Aus dollar, respectively.
The price of a Jabiru may be going up as Jabiru itself and the company that
actually makes the engine (www.camit.net) are located in Bundaberg,
Australia and probably under water from the massive flooding.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
Mike,
From what I've read it sounds like Jab knows what the solution is. The
problem is whether or not it can be implemented. My gut feeling is that
Zenith has the problem solved or they wouldn't be advertising it as a
designed to fit option.
People are talking about the O200. The one Zenith lists on their web
site it the NEW O200 Lightweight. New from Cont. for the lsa market.
Cont has a good rep but is seems like there's usually a few bugs in any
new product. Zenith doesn't have a FWF package yet but they say they
are developing one.
I'm not in a big hurry to make a decision myself. I'm hoping to decide
by Oshkosh and maybe be able to take advantage of a show special.
I'd be interested to hear what you think after your classes. I've heard
rumors that you have to take a class to work on your engine, even if
it's in an experimental.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 01/01/2011 12:29 AM, Michael Daniels wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: Michael Daniels
>
> I'm in the same spot trying to decide which engine. I'm not far along in
my build so I have some time. I'm leaning toward the 3300 as well. Seems
like a good bang for the buck. I have read most of the issues owners have
had and have heard that the new cowl fixes most of the cooling issues. I
have a friend flying a 3300 in a Bush Caddy and he loves it.
>
> Hard to beat the reliability and reputation of an 0200, but 3300 weighs
less with more power too.
>
> The Rotax seems like a good option, but pricy to buy, pricy to maintain.
I'm taking 2 Rotax classes in late February maybe I will feel differently
after.
>
> Anyone on the list have a flying 750?
> What are you running?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:30 PM, rayj wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>
>> Craig,
>>
>> You bring up some interesting points. Unfortunately, renting a 150 isn't
and option. I'll keep doing my research.
>>
>> Does anybody know right off hand if Zenith usually has any show specials
at Air Venture? Same question for Rotax, Jab, and Cont.
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> On 12/31/2010 02:36 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
Payne"
>>>
>>> I'm afraid you have to put resale value aside, regardless of your engine
>>> choice. Look through Branstormers and there are all kinds of
experimentals
>>> for sale at below what the builders have in them.
>>>
>>> Also (having owned but not flown Corvair, Jabiru and Rotax engines on
Zenith
>>> aircraft) you will have a hard time meeting your desire for a "tab A in
slot
>>> B" FWF. You can get close but if you read through the engine-specific
lists
>>> you see a lot of tinkering is required. Part of this is the "Internet
>>> effect" - only those with problems post messages. But none of these FWF
kits
>>> are a slam-dunk. On the Jabiru you get to fiddle with the cooling and
carb.
>>> In a slow flying plane like the 750 cooling is an issue. If you ask
William
>>> Wynne I don't think he ever achieved adequate cooling on the
Corvair-powerd
>>> 701.
>>>
>>> I'm putting a Rotax on my 701 but it might be underpowered for the 750.
Of
>>> course I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by 10,000 ft peaks so I am
more
>>> sensitive to power needs.
>>>
>>> Also pay attention to weight and balance. Getting accurate data is hard
but
>>> with the wrong engine you can end up with a plane that is not very
useful.
>>> The best thing to do is get real W&B numbers from flying 750.
>>>
>>> If I was in your shoes and expected to fly below 5000 ft I would look
hard
>>> at the Rotax. There is a lot of plumbing to hook up. But it is light,
there
>>> are thousands flying and it will run cool at low speeds. I know of two
that
>>> have flown around the world (one with legs of 23+ hours).
>>>
>>> If you choose to build a non-LSA 750 (via the new gross limit) you will
have
>>> more choices. But I suspect that a non-LSA 750 would be harder to sell.
>>>
>>> If your future is uncertain then rent. You can get a lot of hours in a
>>> Cessna 150 for the price of a 750.
>>>
>>> -- Craig
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
>>> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>
>>> Craig,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
>>> they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
>>> about the rotax.
>>>
>>> My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
>>> conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
>>> is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
>>> unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
>>>
>>> Raymond Julian
>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>
>>> On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
>>> Payne"
>>>>
>>>> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
>>> some
>>>> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a
call.
>>>>
>>>> -- Craig
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
>>>> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>>>
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>>
>>>> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
>>>> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
>>>> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can
find.
>>>>
>>>> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
>>>> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
>>>> Raymond Julian
>>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>>
>>>> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by:
"Dave"
>>>>>
>>>>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>>>>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>>>>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power
is
>>>>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>>>>
>>>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by:
rayj
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like
the
>>>>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman Smit" <nsmit(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine choice |
Raymond,
I'm building a 750 and have started rebuilding a Corvair engine for mine. Go
to FlyCorvair.com, which is William Wynne's site and the person who has been
working with these engines for aviation use for possibly two decades. My
reasons are that the engine has a mature history and the kinks have been
worked out for aviation use. It is very close to the same weight as an
O-200, air cooled, and direct drive. I'm not going this route, but you can
buy a complete firewall forward package from William Wynne - engine mount to
propeller - although he usually encourages people to build their own in
keeping with experimental aviation's educative principle. It is cheaper than
a certified engine to purchase and the long-term running costs will be
significantly better. Because complete firewall forward development has
been done, it makes completion that much more straightforward for builders
like myself, because I don't have to reinvent the wheel. (I'm not getting
anything for this mention, by the way.)
Norman
Garner, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: engine choice |
I have a couple of Corvairs and a manual sitting here. I was planning on
using one in a 750 when I started. I'm not sure how having an auto
conversion will affect my resale, If I have to sell it.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 01/02/2011 07:08 PM, Norman Smit wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Norman Smit"
>
> Raymond,
>
> I'm building a 750 and have started rebuilding a Corvair engine for mine. Go
> to FlyCorvair.com, which is William Wynne's site and the person who has been
> working with these engines for aviation use for possibly two decades. My
> reasons are that the engine has a mature history and the kinks have been
> worked out for aviation use. It is very close to the same weight as an
> O-200, air cooled, and direct drive. I'm not going this route, but you can
> buy a complete firewall forward package from William Wynne - engine mount to
> propeller - although he usually encourages people to build their own in
> keeping with experimental aviation's educative principle. It is cheaper than
> a certified engine to purchase and the long-term running costs will be
> significantly better. Because complete firewall forward development has
> been done, it makes completion that much more straightforward for builders
> like myself, because I don't have to reinvent the wheel. (I'm not getting
> anything for this mention, by the way.)
>
> Norman
> Garner, NC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry McFarland" <larry(at)macsmachine.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine choice |
Raymond,
The Corvair, properly done, should be as good a seller, pricewise as any
commercial product. The second hand Rotax or Jabaru have no better
support or recourse in the event of major problems. I suspect the Corvair
could easily be a better long term engine and it will cost much less.
Conversely, the Rotax and Jabaru have parts and service which are very
expensively slanted toward dealer repair. I fly a Subaru and like the
Corvair,
You only need to know the correct setups and maintenance to get
comparatively low cost long term performance.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: [Probable Spam] Re: Zenith750-List: Re: engine choice
I have a couple of Corvairs and a manual sitting here. I was planning on
using one in a 750 when I started. I'm not sure how having an auto
conversion will affect my resale, If I have to sell it.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 01/02/2011 07:08 PM, Norman Smit wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Norman Smit"
>
> Raymond,
>
> I'm building a 750 and have started rebuilding a Corvair engine for
> mine. Go to FlyCorvair.com, which is William Wynne's site and the
> person who has been working with these engines for aviation use for
> possibly two decades. My reasons are that the engine has a mature
> history and the kinks have been worked out for aviation use. It is
> very close to the same weight as an O-200, air cooled, and direct
> drive. I'm not going this route, but you can buy a complete firewall
> forward package from William Wynne - engine mount to propeller -
> although he usually encourages people to build their own in keeping
> with experimental aviation's educative principle. It is cheaper than a
> certified engine to purchase and the long-term running costs will be
> significantly better. Because complete firewall forward development
> has been done, it makes completion that much more straightforward for
> builders like myself, because I don't have to reinvent the wheel.
> (I'm not getting anything for this mention, by the way.)
>
> Norman
> Garner, NC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: engine choice |
I'd like to think you were right, that a Corvair would appeal to as many
people as any other. I think it is a good engine, but far more people
have heard of the big players than a corvair in an airplane. Some of
them would probably worry about it rolling over! :)
Have to decide exactly what my priorities and options are. I'll know
more in a few months.
Thanks to everyone for their comments.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 01/02/2011 08:09 PM, Larry McFarland wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
>
> Raymond,
> The Corvair, properly done, should be as good a seller, pricewise as any
> commercial product. The second hand Rotax or Jabaru have no better
> support or recourse in the event of major problems. I suspect the Corvair
> could easily be a better long term engine and it will cost much less.
> Conversely, the Rotax and Jabaru have parts and service which are very
> expensively slanted toward dealer repair. I fly a Subaru and like the
> Corvair,
> You only need to know the correct setups and maintenance to get
> comparatively low cost long term performance.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 7:54 PM
> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: [Probable Spam] Re: Zenith750-List: Re: engine choice
>
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>
> I have a couple of Corvairs and a manual sitting here. I was planning on
> using one in a 750 when I started. I'm not sure how having an auto
> conversion will affect my resale, If I have to sell it.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 01/02/2011 07:08 PM, Norman Smit wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Norman Smit"
>>
>> Raymond,
>>
>> I'm building a 750 and have started rebuilding a Corvair engine for
>> mine. Go to FlyCorvair.com, which is William Wynne's site and the
>> person who has been working with these engines for aviation use for
>> possibly two decades. My reasons are that the engine has a mature
>> history and the kinks have been worked out for aviation use. It is
>> very close to the same weight as an O-200, air cooled, and direct
>> drive. I'm not going this route, but you can buy a complete firewall
>> forward package from William Wynne - engine mount to propeller -
>> although he usually encourages people to build their own in keeping
>> with experimental aviation's educative principle. It is cheaper than a
>> certified engine to purchase and the long-term running costs will be
>> significantly better. Because complete firewall forward development
>> has been done, it makes completion that much more straightforward for
>> builders like myself, because I don't have to reinvent the wheel.
>> (I'm not getting anything for this mention, by the way.)
>>
>> Norman
>> Garner, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "fritz" <klondike(at)megalink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: engine choice |
Expermential resale: engine choice? WORKMANSHIP!!!!!!!!
WORKMANSHIP!!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "rayj" <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Zenith750-List: Re: engine choice
>
> I'd like to think you were right, that a Corvair would appeal to as many
> people as any other. I think it is a good engine, but far more people have
> heard of the big players than a corvair in an airplane. Some of them would
> probably worry about it rolling over! :)
>
> Have to decide exactly what my priorities and options are. I'll know more
> in a few months.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their comments.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 01/02/2011 08:09 PM, Larry McFarland wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Larry
>> McFarland"
>>
>> Raymond,
>> The Corvair, properly done, should be as good a seller, pricewise as any
>> commercial product. The second hand Rotax or Jabaru have no better
>> support or recourse in the event of major problems. I suspect the
>> Corvair
>> could easily be a better long term engine and it will cost much less.
>> Conversely, the Rotax and Jabaru have parts and service which are very
>> expensively slanted toward dealer repair. I fly a Subaru and like the
>> Corvair,
>> You only need to know the correct setups and maintenance to get
>> comparatively low cost long term performance.
>>
>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 7:54 PM
>> To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: [Probable Spam] Re: Zenith750-List: Re: engine choice
>>
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj
>>
>> I have a couple of Corvairs and a manual sitting here. I was planning on
>> using one in a 750 when I started. I'm not sure how having an auto
>> conversion will affect my resale, If I have to sell it.
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> On 01/02/2011 07:08 PM, Norman Smit wrote:
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Norman Smit"
>>>
>>> Raymond,
>>>
>>> I'm building a 750 and have started rebuilding a Corvair engine for
>>> mine. Go to FlyCorvair.com, which is William Wynne's site and the
>>> person who has been working with these engines for aviation use for
>>> possibly two decades. My reasons are that the engine has a mature
>>> history and the kinks have been worked out for aviation use. It is
>>> very close to the same weight as an O-200, air cooled, and direct
>>> drive. I'm not going this route, but you can buy a complete firewall
>>> forward package from William Wynne - engine mount to propeller -
>>> although he usually encourages people to build their own in keeping
>>> with experimental aviation's educative principle. It is cheaper than a
>>> certified engine to purchase and the long-term running costs will be
>>> significantly better. Because complete firewall forward development
>>> has been done, it makes completion that much more straightforward for
>>> builders like myself, because I don't have to reinvent the wheel.
>>> (I'm not getting anything for this mention, by the way.)
>>>
>>> Norman
>>> Garner, NC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "j. davis" <jd(at)lawsonimaging.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: engine choice |
>> On 01/02/2011 08:09 PM, Larry McFarland wrote:
>>>
>>> Raymond,
>>> The Corvair, properly done, should be as good a seller, pricewise as any
>>> commercial product. The second hand Rotax or Jabaru have no better
>>> support or recourse in the event of major problems. I suspect the Corvair
>>> could easily be a better long term engine and it will cost much less.
>>> Conversely, the Rotax and Jabaru have parts and service which are very
>>> expensively slanted toward dealer repair. I fly a Subaru and like the
>>> Corvair,
>>> You only need to know the correct setups and maintenance to get
>>> comparatively low cost long term performance.
>>>
>>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Greetings, CH750 list! I have ordered a CH750 kit, hope to receive it soon. I am
seriously
considering the Rotec R2800 radial as an engine to power my 750.
http://www.rotecradialengines.com/0RotecR2800/R2800.htm
Opinions?
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 soon
- http://cleco.ca
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| J. Davis, M.Sc. | (computer science) |
| *NIX consulting, SysAdmin | email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "j. davis" <jd(at)lawsonimaging.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: engine choice |
Sorry about letting that "Probable Spam" in the subject line of my last post live
on!
Some email servers add that to the subject to flag possible spam. I should have
noticed it
and removed it (which I have now done).
On 01/03/2011 10:02 AM, j. davis wrote:
>
> Greetings, CH750 list! I have ordered a CH750 kit, hope to receive it soon. I
am seriously
> considering the Rotec R2800 radial as an engine to power my 750.
>
> http://www.rotecradialengines.com/0RotecR2800/R2800.htm
>
> Opinions?
>
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 soon
- http://cleco.ca
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| J. Davis, M.Sc. | (computer science) |
| *NIX consulting, SysAdmin | email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
On the other hand... You have different fingers.
--- Steven Wright
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Pelland" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH-750 engine choice |
J.
You might want to get in touch with another 750 builder by the name of
Andr=E9 Levesque, who was/is considering the same engine choice. He can
be reached on the Zenith Aero website at the following address
http://www.zenith.aero/profile/AndreLevesque?xg_source=profiles_memberL
ist
Good luck with your choices.
regards
Robert
the 701 & 750 Scratch
----- Original Message -----
From: j. davis
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Zenith750-List: Re: engine choice
>> On 01/02/2011 08:09 PM, Larry McFarland wrote:
McFarland"
>>>
>>> Raymond,
>>> The Corvair, properly done, should be as good a seller, pricewise
as any
>>> commercial product. The second hand Rotax or Jabaru have no better
>>> support or recourse in the event of major problems. I suspect the
Corvair
>>> could easily be a better long term engine and it will cost much
less.
>>> Conversely, the Rotax and Jabaru have parts and service which are
very
>>> expensively slanted toward dealer repair. I fly a Subaru and like
the
>>> Corvair,
>>> You only need to know the correct setups and maintenance to get
>>> comparatively low cost long term performance.
>>>
>>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Greetings, CH750 list! I have ordered a CH750 kit, hope to receive it
soon. I am seriously
considering the Rotec R2800 radial as an engine to power my 750.
http://www.rotecradialengines.com/0RotecR2800/R2800.htm
Opinions?
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 soon
- http://cleco.ca
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| Subject: | Elevator control cable fairleads, part# 75C4-5 |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Thought I might put this list to use with a question.
I'm running my elevator control cables. part# 75C4-5 attaches to the L at the top
of the hrz stab. The plans are not clear if a hole is drilled or if a slot
is created in this fairlead (page 75-TA-2).
I've searched the Zenith Aero site for a photo someone may have posted but have
found none. This part is never mentioned on the HBH videos so no help there.
Could call Roger or Caleb, but again I thought I might stir up some useful correspondence
on this list & see if it could become a detail-question & answer forum
like the other great Matronics lists are.
Any photos would be much appreciated.
Jimmy Young
750 builder
Houston TX area
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| From: | "j. davis" <jd(at)lawsonimaging.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH-750 engine choice |
On 01/03/2011 11:48 AM, Robert Pelland wrote:
> J.
> You might want to get in touch with another 750 builder by the name of Andr Levesque,
who
> was/is considering the same engine choice. He can be reached on the Zenith Aero
website at
> the following address
> http://www.zenith.aero/profile/AndreLevesque?xg_source=profiles_memberList
> Good luck with your choices.
> regards
> Robert
> the 701 & 750 Scratch
>
Thanks, Robert, hadn't found Andre yet. Seems his major issue with the Rotec is
weight,
which is true (224 lbs, all accessories included, as opposed to the Jab at 180
- I'm on a
diet ;')). Same neighbourhood as the O200 and Corvair. But the lightweight all
aluminum
Jab may just come at a price. I'm currently flying behind one (so far, so good),
and have
been a member of the Jabiru engines list for well over a year, and I just can't
help
thinking that the 3300 is not really the strong, robust engine I want for my 750.
Steel
cylinders, heads, and crankcases are just plain *tougher*, IMHO. Not that I'm ruling
it
out by any means, but the R2800 is intriguing. I like the integral 3:2 planetary
PSRU for
the 750, allowing it to swing the longer prop that it deserves. I like the 900
-2100rpm
cruise (vs 2900-3200+). And, of course, it's a *radial* ! Can it get any sexier
than that? ;')
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 build soon
- http://cleco.ca
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| From: | "Robert Pelland" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH-750 engine choice |
J,
Describing a radial as being " sexy " in an understatement. In my
opinion, airplanes where invented to hang a radial engine on them. :o)
However to be practical, my choice will be with the affordable, tried
and true.
I was fortunate in being able to purchase a used 80 Hp Rotax for my 701,
that will need to be rebuilt. As far as my 750, I have the latest
version 2 of the Zenith plans, and since it will be registered as a "
homebuilt " rather then an LSA, I will benefit from the weight increase
up 1440 lbs gross weight.
The engine will be a 0 time Lycoming that I will have built for me by
the local FBO, who also runs the engine rebuilding shop
http://www.aero-atelier.com/visitez.htm at the local airport. I
originally was planning on a 0230 at around 115 HP, but since it will be
used on amphi floats, I plan to get the maximum performance out of the
aircraft, and have decided to go with the 0320 at 150 to 160 HP,
depending on the compression ratio that will be chosen when it is
rebuilt.
I prefer a regular aircraft engine not only because of the resale value,
but because it will be easy to find parts when needed, not to mention
service at any of the thousands of airfields that we find across both of
our nations. I'm not knocking the Rotec, or any other exotic engine,
but you will be hard pressed to find any parts, or service for that
matter at any of the landing strips you will be flying to if you don't
have a conventional aircraft engine. I would also like to add that
rebuilt engines such as those I mentioned above, can be purchased
locally for about 40% of the cost of a new engine. At O time, and with a
good warranty, you can't beat that for a great deal.
A few of my friends have had what we could call, rather bad experiences
with their auto conversion engines, and one even had to disassemble the
aircraft and have it towed 300 miles back home because he couldn't have
it repaired where it landed. This is not something I would be
comfortable with
Just my two cents.
regards
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: j. davis
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:28 PM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Re: Zenith CH-750 engine choice
On 01/03/2011 11:48 AM, Robert Pelland wrote:
> J.
> You might want to get in touch with another 750 builder by the name
of Andr=E9 Levesque, who
> was/is considering the same engine choice. He can be reached on the
Zenith Aero website at
> the following address
>
http://www.zenith.aero/profile/AndreLevesque?xg_source=profiles_memberL
ist
> Good luck with your choices.
> regards
> Robert
> the 701 & 750 Scratch
>
Thanks, Robert, hadn't found Andre yet. Seems his major issue with the
Rotec is weight,
which is true (224 lbs, all accessories included, as opposed to the
Jab at 180 - I'm on a
diet ;')). Same neighbourhood as the O200 and Corvair. But the
lightweight all aluminum
Jab may just come at a price. I'm currently flying behind one (so far,
so good), and have
been a member of the Jabiru engines list for well over a year, and I
just can't help
thinking that the 3300 is not really the strong, robust engine I want
for my 750. Steel
cylinders, heads, and crankcases are just plain *tougher*, IMHO. Not
that I'm ruling it
out by any means, but the R2800 is intriguing. I like the integral 3:2
planetary PSRU for
the 750, allowing it to swing the longer prop that it deserves. I like
cruise (vs 2900-3200+). And, of course, it's a *radial* ! Can it get
any sexier than that? ;')
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 build soon
- http://cleco.ca
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| From: | "Robert Pelland" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH-750 engine choice |
J,
Describing a radial as being " sexy " in an understatement. In my
opinion, airplanes where invented to hang a radial engine on them. :o)
However to be practical, my choice will be with the affordable, tried
and true.
I was fortunate in being able to purchase a used 80 Hp Rotax for my 701,
that will need to be rebuilt. As far as my 750, I have the latest
version 2 of the Zenith plans, and since it will be registered as a "
homebuilt " rather then an LSA, I will benefit from the weight increase
up 1440 lbs gross weight.
The engine will be a 0 time Lycoming that I will have built for me by
the local FBO, who also runs the engine rebuilding shop
http://www.aero-atelier.com/visitez.htm at the local airport. I
originally was planning on a 0230 at around 115 HP, but since it will be
used on amphi floats, I plan to get the maximum performance out of the
aircraft, and have decided to go with the 0320 at 150 to 160 HP,
depending on the compression ratio that will be chosen when it is
rebuilt.
I prefer a regular aircraft engine not only because of the resale value,
but because it will be easy to find parts when needed, not to mention
service at any of the thousands of airfields that we find across both of
our nations. I'm not knocking the Rotec, or any other exotic engine,
but you will be hard pressed to find any parts, or service for that
matter at any of the landing strips you will be flying to if you don't
have a conventional aircraft engine. I would also like to add that
rebuilt engines such as those I mentioned above, can be purchased
locally for about 40% of the cost of a new engine. At O time, and with a
good warranty, you can't beat that for a great deal.
A few of my friends have had what we could call, rather bad experiences
with their auto conversion engines, and one even had to disassemble the
aircraft and have it towed 300 miles back home because he couldn't have
it repaired where it landed. This is not something I would be
comfortable with
Just my two cents.
regards
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: j. davis
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:28 PM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Re: Zenith CH-750 engine choice
On 01/03/2011 11:48 AM, Robert Pelland wrote:
> J.
> You might want to get in touch with another 750 builder by the name
of Andr=E9 Levesque, who
> was/is considering the same engine choice. He can be reached on the
Zenith Aero website at
> the following address
>
http://www.zenith.aero/profile/AndreLevesque?xg_source=profiles_memberL
ist
> Good luck with your choices.
> regards
> Robert
> the 701 & 750 Scratch
>
Thanks, Robert, hadn't found Andre yet. Seems his major issue with the
Rotec is weight,
which is true (224 lbs, all accessories included, as opposed to the
Jab at 180 - I'm on a
diet ;')). Same neighbourhood as the O200 and Corvair. But the
lightweight all aluminum
Jab may just come at a price. I'm currently flying behind one (so far,
so good), and have
been a member of the Jabiru engines list for well over a year, and I
just can't help
thinking that the 3300 is not really the strong, robust engine I want
for my 750. Steel
cylinders, heads, and crankcases are just plain *tougher*, IMHO. Not
that I'm ruling it
out by any means, but the R2800 is intriguing. I like the integral 3:2
planetary PSRU for
the 750, allowing it to swing the longer prop that it deserves. I like
cruise (vs 2900-3200+). And, of course, it's a *radial* ! Can it get
any sexier than that? ;')
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 build soon
- http://cleco.ca
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| email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca |
| *NIX consulting, SysAdmin |
| http://cleco.ca |
+-------------------------------+
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| From: | "j. davis" <jd(at)lawsonimaging.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH-750 engine choice |
Thanks for this, Robert.
> J,
> Describing a radial as being " sexy " in an understatement. In my opinion, airplanes
where
> invented to hang a radial engine on them. :o) However to be practical, my choice
will be
> with the affordable, tried and true.
Ah, the voice of reason. Sexy can be a siren in disguise ;')
> I was fortunate in being able to purchase a used 80 Hp Rotax for my 701, that
will need to
> be rebuilt.
I put about 300 hours on my 701 with a 912UL before selling it. And missing it
somewhat
ever since!
> As far as my 750, I have the latest version 2 of the Zenith plans, and since
> it will be registered as a " homebuilt " rather then an LSA, I will benefit from
the
> weight increase up 1440 lbs gross weight.
Ditto. Although I'm not plans building this time around, been there, done that
with my
Sonex, I will also be building homebuilt, and able to take advantage of the 1440
g.w.
> The engine will be a 0 time Lycoming that I will have built for me by the local
FBO, who
> also runs the engine rebuilding shop http://www.aero-atelier.com/visitez.htm at the local
> airport.
Looks like I was close last summer when I flew in to Lachute on my way to Faucheurs.
Beautiful part of the country (and *nice* little aerodrome!).
> I originally was planning on a 0230 at around 115 HP, but since it will be used
> on amphi floats, I plan to get the maximum performance out of the aircraft, and
have
> decided to go with the 0320 at 150 to 160 HP, depending on the compression ratio
that will
> be chosen when it is rebuilt.
Interesting. Just out out curiosity, what would the dry weight of the O320 come
in at?
> I prefer a regular aircraft engine not only because of the resale value, but
because it
> will be easy to find parts when needed, not to mention service at any of the
thousands of
> airfields that we find across both of our nations. I'm not knocking the Rotec,
or any
> other exotic engine, but you will be hard pressed to find any parts, or service
for that
> matter at any of the landing strips you will be flying to if you don't have a
conventional
> aircraft engine. I would also like to add that rebuilt engines such as those
I mentioned
> above, can be purchased locally for about 40% of the cost of a new engine. At
O time, and
> with a good warranty, you can't beat that for a great deal.
Wonder if aero-atelier would have an O200/230 (my initial thought for a power plant,
for
most of the reasons you state, before I got sidetracked by the beauty of the Rotec
;') for
me? Or is it more that I find one and bring it to them?
> A few of my friends have had what we could call, rather bad experiences with
their auto
> conversion engines, and one even had to disassemble the aircraft and have it
towed 300
> miles back home because he couldn't have it repaired where it landed. This is
not
> something I would be comfortable with
> Just my two cents.
> regards
> Robert
Good points, all, thanks for taking time to respond!
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 build soon
- http://cleco.ca
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Pelland" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH-750 engine choice |
----- Original Message -----
From: j. davis
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: Re: Zenith CH-750 engine choice
Interesting. Just out out curiosity, what would the dry weight of the
O320 come in at?
A little while back, I purchased the complete " Tony Bingelis "
collection, and in the firewall forward manual there is a comparative
engine data table and this is where I obtained the engine information.
The 235-L ( 8.5:1 x 105 to 118 HP ) comes in at 218 lbs, while the 320-A
is at 244 lbs. In both cases we are talking about dry weight. The
compression ratio for the 320-A is a low 7.0 :1, with 140 to 150 hp, so
it will operate very well on the low grade 80/87 auto fuel. The
difference between the two being only 26 lbs, is not really a big
penalty to pay for a decent increase in horse power.
I am however, considering biting the bullet and going for the 0320-B
at 160HP. Since the plane is not as yet built, I still have some time
to make up my mind
Wonder if aero-atelier would have an O200/230 (my initial thought for
a power plant, for
most of the reasons you state, before I got sidetracked by the beauty
of the Rotec ;') for
me? Or is it more that I find one and bring it to them?
You may purchase one of those engines outright, or supply him with a
core, and he will gladly rebuild it for you. I have a friend of mine
who just purchased a 0200 for a 750 he is building, and the cost for a
zero time complete rebuilt/restored engine was a low 12 thousand.
regards
Robert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | zero time Lycoming |
There has been some discussion about "zero time" Lycoming engines,
sold by an engine shop.
Not to pick nits, but aviation has its own terminology and it's less
confusing to stick with it.
In FAA parlance (for certified aircraft), only the engine manufacturer
(Lycoming in this case) can
"zero time" an engine. When they do that, they throw away the existing
engine log book and issue
a new one. Independent engine shops can do the same job, to the same
tolerances, using the same
parts and still have to call it a rebuilt engine, and it continues to
accrue hours in its existing log book.
They usually refer to this as "rebuilt to new limits" or something like
that.
Now, none of this directly applies to experimentals but its good to
stick with standard terminology,
to avoid confusion. And PLEASE don't take this note as insulting to
anyone ... not my intention.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | elevator control fairlead |
| From: | Don/Marcia Piermattei <dlpier(at)lamar.colostate.edu> |
Subject: Zenith750-List: Elevator control cable fairleads, part# 75C4-5
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
I mounted mine with a slot cut from the top side, since the cable was
already installed. You are lifting on the cable so there is no danger of
it coming out. I also had to cut a slot in the fuselage skin from the
hole
for the cable in an aft direction in order to give the cable clearance. I
then put a doubler over the area to restore what strength I lost(advised
by
Caleb).
Don Piermattei
N750DP
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: elevator control fairlead |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Thanks for the help.
My upper cable also looks like it's going to be rubbing the aft side of the hole
in the top-skin. Will deal with it in a similar manner.
Jimmy Y
Houston TX
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| From: | "j. davis" <jd(at)lawsonimaging.ca> |
Greetings...
As I wait for my kit to arrive, I wonder if there are any 750 builders out there
who have
finished building and would be willing to sell their Homebuilt Help DVDs. Thanks!
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 build soon
- http://cleco.ca
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| From: | Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | nose ribs on elevator |
Hi;
On my 750 kit, the instructions give specific distances, from the
edge of the rear elevator skin, to drill the nose ribs.
It also says that the flutes in the nose ribs are at the same locations
as those on the tip ribs, which I've marked. The
offsets given will not avoid the flutes. Should I just pick locations
that avoid the flutes or am I missing something ?
Why do the offsets given seem to be wrong ?
Thanks for any help you can give.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Harris" <george(at)autoinsanity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: nose ribs on elevator |
On mine, I just offset a little to miss the flutes. I made them symmetrical
with each other so they looked better.
--------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Hi;
>
> On my 750 kit, the instructions give specific distances, from the edge
> of the rear elevator skin, to drill the nose ribs.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | nose ribs on elevator |
George;
Thanks. I wonder why they bother to give such exact measurements if
they don't work.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "fritz" <klondike(at)megalink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: nose ribs on elevator |
computer "math"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Arbeitman" <gordona23(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:13 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: nose ribs on elevator
>
>
> George;
>
> Thanks. I wonder why they bother to give such exact measurements if
> they don't work.
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
I know money is tight for many folks these days, but I am so grateful for the help
Jon Croke's videos have given me that I would hope you would buy a set from
him. They will be one of the best investments you will make and will save you
countless hours and damaged parts. They are well worth what you will pay.
One other thought, the new Ed. 2 has a lot of different parts and Jon's video is
based on the Ed #1. There were even changes on my Ed #1 kit that had been made
that were different from the video. I do not know if he has revised the latest
videos to address this, but it would be worth checking into.
Good luck with your project -
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| From: | Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> |
Missed the original post, but.
I will post my humble point of view:
I think that the HomebuiltHelp DVD's are a wonderfull TOOL in building a ki
t, now and in MY CASE, they are part of the "Documents" of my aircraft.
In fact, -if I ever decide to sell my airplane for any reason; the plans,
manuals, DVD's, etc will be part of the package.
Also in case of a incident that will need a serious repair, the DVD's will
be of great help to you or the AP or the new owner to do the rebuilt...
Hope this helps.
Gary Gower701 912S - 350 hrs
--- On Fri, 1/14/11, Jimmy Young wrote:
From: Jimmy Young <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith750-List: Re: DVDs?
Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 6:11 PM
I know money is tight for many folks these days, but I am so grateful for t
he help Jon Croke's videos have given me that I would hope you would buy a
set from him. They will be one of the best investments you will make and wi
ll save you countless hours and damaged parts. They are well worth what you
will pay.
One other thought, the new Ed. 2 has a lot of different parts and Jon's vid
eo is based on the Ed #1. There were even changes on my Ed #1 kit that had
been made that were different from the video. I do not know if he has revis
ed the latest videos to address this, but it would be worth checking into.
Good luck with your project -
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| Subject: | Is building a car seat or jump seat in back possible? |
| From: | "Luv2Fly" <daniel_klop(at)msn.com> |
Hi all
I've been searching everywhere for an answer to this one. I have been researching
for a long time, and have nearly made a decision on starting to build, with
the CH750 ranking the highest. What I'm struggling with between this and the
Murphy Elite is the seating (and that I live 20 minutes away from Murphy...).
I have a small child and another on the way, and would love to have them both
grow up flying. Mom isn't keen on flying, so it will be just the 3 of us.
I don't want a larger plane with big engines/big prices.
Has anyone heard of or seen a side facing jump seat in the back of the 750? Or
is it feasible to secure tethers to the structure to lock in a car seat? I will
build as experimental, and utilize the increase gross weight rating.
If it hasn't been done, the next option would be to try and discuss with Zenith.
Thanks in advance,
Dan
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| From: | rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Is building a car seat or jump seat in back possible? |
I haven't done what you are asking about. I imagine as long as the CG
isn't an issue it could be done.
I spoke with Zenith about a different type of modification and they were
very helpful. I plan to build a 750, partly because I like STOL and
partly because of the help they provided in answering my questions.
Email them with your proposed modification, I think they will be glad to
answer any questions, with the usual disclaimers.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 01/31/2011 04:18 PM, Luv2Fly wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Luv2Fly"
>
> Hi all
>
> I've been searching everywhere for an answer to this one. I have been researching
for a long time, and have nearly made a decision on starting to build, with
the CH750 ranking the highest. What I'm struggling with between this and
the Murphy Elite is the seating (and that I live 20 minutes away from Murphy...).
I have a small child and another on the way, and would love to have them
both grow up flying. Mom isn't keen on flying, so it will be just the 3 of us.
I don't want a larger plane with big engines/big prices.
>
> Has anyone heard of or seen a side facing jump seat in the back of the 750?
Or is it feasible to secure tethers to the structure to lock in a car seat? I
will build as experimental, and utilize the increase gross weight rating.
>
> If it hasn't been done, the next option would be to try and discuss with Zenith.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329119#329119
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is building a car seat or jump seat in back possible? |
| From: | "Luv2Fly" <daniel_klop(at)msn.com> |
Thanks Raymond
I've sent Sebastien an email, hopefully I get a response. . .
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Is building a car seat or jump seat in back possible? |
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)Juno.com> |
Dan,
I am helping build (most of it) a CH 750. The baggage
compartment is a sloping arrangement so putting in a child seat will have
you making a horizontal device to hook it up. Plus, you need to install
tie downs to hold everything in place when flying in turbulence (not
planned of course). You could remove the passenger seat and do something
with the space accordingly.. Three is an odd number for little planes.
Let me know what you do as I can help you with my good and bad points of
the brand.
Jim
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| Subject: | Building a CH750? Get the answers here.... |
| From: | "Stefan" <wageners(at)gmail.com> |
For all of you that are interested in the CH750 visit:
http://www.zenith.aero/
sign up and join hundreds of others currently building a CH750. You want answers,
you have questions? Join us in the CH750 stories. There is a reason why this
is the most active and productive forum for the CH750! Period!
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| From: | Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Trim servo wiring |
The 750 kit ships with two lengths of 5 conductor cable. One longer
than the other. Which one
connects to the elevator servo ? I can't find this anywhere in the
docs. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Trim servo wiring |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
>From what I recall, I hooked up the short one to the trim servo to run thru the
HS to the fuse. I have the longer one running from the fuse tail to the cabin,
using the bottom longeron as a chase. I put sections of 3/8" wire loom at the
L angle/longeron junctions to protect the wire. I plan to install a Molex 5
pin connector at the fuse/HS connection to allow for easy disassembly of the
tail section when I finally paint. Hope this helps.
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| From: | Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith750-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/08/11 |
Jimmy;
Thanks. That sounds right. I tried to get a CPC connector but
nobody really carries them. They're like
small, plastic Cannon connectors that use the same pins as a D shell
computer connector. There's an
EAA video about them and they looked like really good connectors. Oh
well, Molex is still okay.
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> Subject: Zenith750-List: Re: Trim servo wiring
> From: "Jimmy Young"<jdy100(at)comcast.net>
>
>
> > From what I recall, I hooked up the short one to the trim servo to run thru
the
> HS to the fuse. I have the longer one running from the fuse tail to the cabin,
> using the bottom longeron as a chase. I put sections of 3/8" wire loom at the
> L angle/longeron junctions to protect the wire. I plan to install a Molex 5
> pin connector at the fuse/HS connection to allow for easy disassembly of the
> tail section when I finally paint. Hope this helps.
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> Missouri City, TX
> Kolb FS II/HKS 700
>
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| From: | "j. davis" <jd(at)lawsonimaging.ca> |
Greetings... I'm planning for the delivery of my 750 kit(s) soon, and want to hear
people's experiences with getting the crate home from wherever the trucking company
deposits it. I know I could get them to bring it to my door, but in my case (Canada)
that
costs about $1200! If I go pick it up in the U.S., and broker it myself, less the
$400.
Since the border is only a short distance away, that's what I'm planning to do.
So... Zenith tells me it's a single crate, 13.5 x 3 x 4, about 1000 lbs. Has anyone
used a
pickup truck to transport this crate, say an F150? Flatbed trailer? Uhaul van?
Thanks!
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 build soon
- http://cleco.ca
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I was going to tape some records onto a cassette, but I
got the wires backwards. I erased all of the records.
When I returned them to my friend, he said, "Hey, these
records are all blank."
--- Steven Wright
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| From: | "Robert Pelland" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: crate transport |
J,
Being in Quebec, we had the same problem a little while back, so I had
the box delivered to Canzac, and we drove down to Kitchener and hauled
it all the way back with ( see pic ) Ford 150 pick-up truck.
We had an additional issue when sliding it into the 8' pick-up box,
because we were also hauling a trailer with an additional 80 4 ' x 12 '
aluminum sheets that I had just picked up from Aircraft Spruce. That is
the reason you see the rear section of the crate, slightly higher then
the bottom of the pick up box. We built on the spot, a wedge shaped
support, in order to have the necessary clearance, so that the crate
would clear the lifting mechanism and handle on the front of the
trailer.
In your case, if you are not hauling a trailer, it should slide right in
with no problem what so ever. Brokering it your self, is the best
solution to the abusively high cost's we must endure ever time we import
product from the US. So much for the #$@^&* free trade agreement.
If you do end up picking it up yourself, count on taking a few photos to
re-assure the next builder that it can be hauled easily in ones own
pickup.
regards
Robert
the 701 & 750 Scratch
----- Original Message -----
From: j. davis
To: zenith750-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: crate transport
Greetings... I'm planning for the delivery of my 750 kit(s) soon, and
want to hear
people's experiences with getting the crate home from wherever the
trucking company
deposits it. I know I could get them to bring it to my door, but in
my case (Canada) that
costs about $1200! If I go pick it up in the U.S., and broker it
myself, less the $400.
Since the border is only a short distance away, that's what I'm
planning to do.
So... Zenith tells me it's a single crate, 13.5 x 3 x 4, about 1000
lbs. Has anyone used a
pickup truck to transport this crate, say an F150? Flatbed trailer?
Uhaul van?
Thanks!
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 build soon
- http://cleco.ca
+-------------------------------+
| J. Davis, M.Sc. (comp sci) |
| email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca |
| *NIX consulting, SysAdmin |
| http://cleco.ca |
+-------------------------------+
I was going to tape some records onto a cassette, but I
got the wires backwards. I erased all of the records.
When I returned them to my friend, he said, "Hey, these
records are all blank."
--- Steven Wright
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| From: | Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: crate transport. |
Hello J.
We have already recieved two kits (a CH 701 and our 601 XL (now almost -B))
.
We went to collect them at the truck company in a normal two axles flat tra
iler, the truck company will load it to your trailer with their froklift.
-
The box is heavy and bulky to handle, you will nead at least 6 or 8 volunta
irs (or rent a forklift) to unload it at your shop.What we do here is organ
ize a "Welcome Kit" barbeque -(half the cost of the rent of the forklift,
including Corona Beers) -inviting other pilots of the club, this way we
had enough hands to unload the big box.The plywood of the box helps to make
perfect shelfs for the sheets and the kit parts...
Enjoy the great moment with all your friends...
Gary GowerChapala, Mexico.
--- On Wed, 2/16/11, j. davis wrote:
From: j. davis <jd(at)lawsonimaging.ca>
Subject: Zenith750-List: crate transport
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 11:31 AM
Greetings... I'm planning for the delivery of my 750 kit(s) soon, and want
to hear people's experiences with getting the crate home from wherever the
trucking company deposits it.- I know I could get them to bring it to my
door, but in my case (Canada) that costs about $1200! If I go pick it up in
the U.S., and broker it myself, less the $400. Since the border is only a
short distance away, that's what I'm planning to do.
So... Zenith tells me it's a single crate, 13.5 x 3 x 4, about 1000 lbs. Ha
s anyone used a pickup truck to transport this crate, say an F150? Flatbed
trailer? Uhaul van?
Thanks!
-- Regards,- J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 build soon
- http://cleco.ca
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| email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca |
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I was going to tape some records onto a cassette, but I
got the wires backwards.- I erased all of the records.
When I returned them to my friend, he said, "Hey, these
records are all blank."
--- --- --- --- --- Steven Wright
le, List Admin.
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| From: | Terry Phillips <ttp44(at)rkymtn.net> |
| Subject: | Re: crate transport |
J
I used my neighbor's 2-axle flatbed trailer to haul 601XL kit ~50 miles
from Missoula to Corvallis. The trucking company loaded it onto the trailer
with a fork lift. I want to reassure you that, despite the "FRAGILE" sign,
Zenair build a very sturdy shipping crate. My neighbor picked the crate up
off the trailer, cantilevered out from the bucket of his backhoe and
delivered it into my garage (see photos). I had visions of the whole crate
collapsing into a tangle of scrunched sheet metal, but it held just fine. I
wouldn't recommend that you lift your crate this way. Too many things could
go wrong. But it worked for us.
Enjoy the build.
Terry
>Greetings... I'm planning for the delivery of my 750 kit(s) soon, and want
>to hear people's experiences with getting the crate home from wherever the
>trucking company deposits it. I know I could get them to bring it to my
>door, but in my case (Canada) that costs about $1200! If I go pick it up
>in the U.S., and broker it myself, less the $400. Since the border is only
>a short distance away, that's what I'm planning to do.
>
>So... Zenith tells me it's a single crate, 13.5 x 3 x 4, about 1000 lbs.
>Has anyone used a pickup truck to transport this crate, say an F150?
>Flatbed trailer? Uhaul van?
>
>Thanks!
>
>--
>Regards, J.
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done;
Upgrading wings & ailerons per the AMD Safety Directive
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| From: | Don/Marcia Piermattei <dlpier(at)lamar.colostate.edu> |
Unless You are planning on using a large truck that can be loaded from
an elevated gate, ask if the truck terminal has a ramp. If they do not
you will have a problem getting the large crate onto a flatbed trailer
or pickup truck. Ask me how I know.
Don Piermattei
N750DP
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| From: | Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23(at)earthlink.net> |
When I did a trial attach of the elevator and horizontal stabilizer, I
found that the elevator was slightly shorter than the HS (about 10 MM).
And the difference is
mostly on the left side of the center attach point. In other words,
with the center pivot clecoed, the right side pretty much lines up and
the left side shows a 10MM
offset. Here are my questions:
1. Do I care ?
2. Are washers allowed in the center pivot to shift the elevator ?
As usual, thanks for any advice.
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| Subject: | Re: crate transport |
| From: | "dashwood" <dashwoodlock(at)hotmail.com> |
hi jay. the yellow freight office in port huron has a hard time loading pickup
trucks. they have no way to get forklifts out or the building to load anything
lower than a large truck/flatbed. the mto of both countries may give you a hassle
about tail gate overhang.. nothing farther than 5 feet and lights have to
be visible from 200'. at 1000lbs the box can be manhandled and shoved about
but it will be tough. needing 2" roller pipes and cable pullers. i may be able
to borrow a truck and flat deck 7 x 18' tandem. or i have access to a one ton
truck with 32'flat deck trailer.
--------
Ross Aalexander: CH701 driver 912ul 490tt
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| From: | "j. davis" <jd(at)lawsonimaging.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: crate transport |
On 02/22/2011 11:02 PM, dashwood wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "dashwood"
>
> hi jay. the yellow freight office in port huron has a hard time loading pickup
trucks.
> they have no way to get forklifts out or the building to load anything lower
than a
> large truck/flatbed. the mto of both countries may give you a hassle about tail
gate
> overhang.. nothing farther than 5 feet and lights have to be visible from 200'.
at
> 1000lbs the box can be manhandled and shoved about but it will be tough. needing
2"
> roller pipes and cable pullers. i may be able to borrow a truck and flat deck
7 x 18'
> tandem. or i have access to a one ton truck with 32'flat deck trailer.
>
Hey Ross, fancy meeting you here ;')
That is a concern I had, planning on calling Fedex Freight and asking about getting
it
into a pickup, make sure they can do it. I should do that now...
An 8 foot bed, with the tailgate down would only be 3.5 feet of overhang (unless
they
consider the part on the tailgate overhang, too, in which case it would be 5.5,
hmmm)
Once home, figured I'll use a combination of gravity and my chain hoist in my shop.
Think I can (locally) borrow a full size pickup like an F150/250, but if the overhang
is
going to be an issue, I may need to re-think, take you up on your offer. Exeter
is a bit
farther north of the 402 than I am to the south, so more distance. Hate to ask
you to
actually make the trip across the border with a borrowed truck/trailer, too...
Thanks for the response!!
Later...
--
Regards, J.
- flying Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- restoring the 'Johnston Special'
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, starting CH750 build soon
- http://cleco.ca
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| email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca |
| *NIX consulting, SysAdmin |
| http://cleco.ca |
+-------------------------------+
All of the people in my building are insane. The guy above
me designs synthetic hairballs for ceramic cats. The lady
across the hall tried to rob a department store... with a
pricing gun... She said, Give me all of the money in the
vault, or I'm marking down everything in the store...
--- Steven Wright
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| From: | Tom Vesely <tomvesely(at)comcast.net> |
In researching the CH 750, I've yet to find any credible discussion
about real world
performance comparisons of possible engine choices. Have I been
"looking for love
in all the wrong places"?
Tom Vesely
tomvesely(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "Larry McFarland" <larry(at)macsmachine.com> |
Tom,
The CH750 is a sweet spot between the 701 and 801, which puts it ideally in
100 hp territory. To put less in would weaken takeoff and flying and to put
more than 115 in would make it
lose flying performance in descent. Optimum is finding the engine that fits
your preference for certified, experimental or conversion. For the 750, I'd
go with the 0-200 or a Corvair.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Vesely
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 2:25 AM
Subject: [Probable Spam] Zenith750-List: Engine Options
In researching the CH 750, I've yet to find any credible discussion about
real world
performance comparisons of possible engine choices. Have I been "looking
for love
in all the wrong places"?
Tom Vesely
tomvesely(at)comcast.net
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| From: | David Schaefer <n142ds(at)gmail.com> |
I received a note from Stan Smith at Aveo .. they have a few deals that they
are selling. Since these are the LED lights I'm using on my 750 I thought
I'd pass this along.
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I'm running some Spring Specials on several of the Aveo products.
These are one-time specials and won't be repeated. I have set up
a special webpage for these specials:
www.21stcentury-usa.com/aveo/specials
Perhaps you have some friends who might be interested in some of
these??
Cheers,
Stan Smith
21st Century Aviation
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Regards
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT HX EFIS
Now building N383DS - Zenith CH-750!
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| Subject: | Zenith Southwest Owners Fly-in |
| From: | "ricklach" <rick(at)ravenaviation.us> |
May 21, 2011 at Kern Valley Airport L05 in the Southern Sierras. Bring your fishing
and camping gear. The Kern River is only 100YDS from the Airport Camp Grounds.
Hiking, Lake Fishing, River Fishing, River Rafting, and more, just take
your pick. For those who stay over Saturday night there will be a BBQ dinner for
$7.50 to support the campground maintenance fund. All Zenith aircraft entitled
to Free over night tie-downs. Call Rick at 760-376-2852 or e-mail rick(at)ravenaviation.us
for reservations and details.
--------
701Driver
N35 26.700, W118 16.743
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
It is hard to believe that the Chat Room has been around and busy for almost
3 years. Over that period of time there have been many live chats on Monday
evenings. We have had as many as 15 participants in a single session,
lasting over two hours. The average has been in the area of 6 - 8 persons
per session.
During the past year many things have happened that seem to have reduced the
participation in the Chat Room to almost ZERO, on most evenings in the past
several months. There is less access money to go around, the Zenith 601
really took a big hit in popularity with all the discussion about possible
design problems, the economy has had a big impact on building anything,
including experimental airplanes. The core group, on the Chat Room, has
slowly diminished to the point where myself and a couple of others are about
the only ones even stopping by on Monday evenings. I also think that free
Cell Phone minutes, email, and the many blogs and forums have replaced the
need to ask each other questions in real time Chat Rooms. Thoughts and
questions can be easily posted on line, and a wide variety of answers will
be provided, as many come and go over a day's time.
Due to the lack of any real activity, I am going to stop advertising the
Chat Room for Monday evenings. The Chat Room will not be going away and
will always be there to be used at your discretion, 24/7. Please feel
free to make your own arrangements with other to chat if you wish. Or, if
you really need to live chat to help you make a decision or get some updated
information, post a time you will be at the chat room so others can join in
and exchange information with you.
I will be at the Chat Room this coming Monday evening, just to see what may
be going on, but tomorrows chat room notification will be the last one
posted, at least until there is a real need to do so again.
Thanks to all of you who have support the live chat, over these past years,
it has always been fun getting to know you and follow your building
progress.
George
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
http://www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
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| From: | "Dan Sherburn" <dsherburn(at)att.net> |
I'm going to build via sub kits. Can anyone recommend a good order to
purchase/build? In other words wings before fuselage, etc...
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| From: | Michael Daniels <buells2t(at)gmail.com> |
I started with the tail, and getting the fuselage next, then wings.
I decided to do the Fuse next because it is most work and will keep me busy l
onger while I save for the next kit. And of course when it's together I can s
it in it and make airplane noises. ;)
A friend of mine at the airport bought the whole kit and is building in that
order as well. Tail, fuse, and currently building his wings..
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 21, 2011, at 4:20 AM, "Dan Sherburn" wrote:
> I'm going to build via sub kits. Can anyone recommend a good order to purc
hase/build? In other words wings before fuselage, etc...
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| From: | Carlos Sa <carlossa52(at)gmail.com> |
Hello, Dan
One thing to consider is storage space.
I am building a 601 from scratch, and space is not abundant (tail and tanks
hanging from the garage ceiling, ruder and rolls of aluminum in my home
office, wings hanging off the garage walls, fuse parts in a storage/pantry
room...)
I started with the tail, then wings, fuselage is last: it is easier to store
wings than the fuselage.
Good luck
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
On 21 August 2011 07:20, Dan Sherburn wrote:
> **
> I'm going to build via sub kits. Can anyone recommend a good order to
> purchase/build? In other words wings before fuselage, etc...
>
>
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| From: | "DaveC" <davecove(at)gmail.com> |
I am trying to decide on whether to build from scratch or from kit. I am leaning
towards scratch for all sorts of reasons and if I go that way I would want to
build a CNC machine first, as I am not fond of 'tin snips'.
I am trying to decide on what size CNC table I would need to construct. I would
like to build one that could accommodate 80% of the parts that need to be cut.
What I don't know is, what size is that? 36" x 48" maybe?
Could someone clue me into what size CNC table would accommodate 80% of the parts
of a CH-750?
Thank you for your time,
Dave
(working on my Wynne Corvair conversion now)
--------
Dave
Alvin, Texas
CH-701 wanna-be-soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352045#352045
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| From: | "Robert Pelland" <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: DIY CNC size |
Dave,
I am sort of in the same situation as yourself, the difference being, I have
already started the build process on not one, but two scratch built aircraft
a 701 & 750 simultaneously. I have spent week's on the various CNC Forums,
and the only one I would recommend ( other then buying a complete machine
for really BIG BUCK'S ) is the Mech Mate. Check out their website here,,,,
http://www.mechmate.com/
It is the only one I considered ( I have already received almost 80% of the
MechMate parts ) since it can be constructed with very basic tools, has
free, very intricate plans ( I wish my Zenith Plans were made as well ) and
can be built in any size you need.
Mine will be 5' by 12' so that it can accommodate a full 12' sheet of
aluminum.
You might want to spend a little time on their Forum at the following
http://www.mechmate.com/forums/index.php and you will appreciate the
excellent help, that can be had during all stages of construction.
If you care to, please let me know how you made out, at my personal e-mail
at the following robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca
regards
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaveC" <davecove(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:48 AM
Subject: Zenith750-List: DIY CNC size
>
> I am trying to decide on whether to build from scratch or from kit. I am
> leaning towards scratch for all sorts of reasons and if I go that way I
> would want to build a CNC machine first, as I am not fond of 'tin snips'.
>
> I am trying to decide on what size CNC table I would need to construct. I
> would like to build one that could accommodate 80% of the parts that need
> to be cut. What I don't know is, what size is that? 36" x 48" maybe?
>
> Could someone clue me into what size CNC table would accommodate 80% of
> the parts of a CH-750?
>
> Thank you for your time,
> Dave
> (working on my Wynne Corvair conversion now)
>
> --------
> Dave
> Alvin, Texas
> CH-701 wanna-be-soon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352045#352045
>
>
>
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| From: | "Larry McFarland" <larry(at)macsmachine.com> |
Hi Dave,
I'm a scratch advocate because Zenith designs are simple and rather direct.
Because of that, I'd recommend you try working
with the simple tools first. CNC is a complexity that would require you to
input all the guidance in excess of 100 percent before cutting
a piece. That's not to say it can't be done, but CNC best serves multiple
parts, large quantities. For one plane, the parts are easiest done per
plans with tin-snips, hand drill etc. and would be faster one piece at a
time. When it's time to do ribs, you can cut them out using one template and
bend them on a pair of forming blocks, easily done in little more than a
week of evenings.
Building any Zenith from scratch is great fun with simple tools. If you mess
up something, even after the build, you then know how to replace the parts
without having to maintain a heavy inventory of cutters and a machine.
If you're determined to do CNC, perhaps Zenith would consent to provide some
of their programming to shorten your effort ;-)
Visit my site for some of the how to's if you're interested.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveC
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject: [Probable Spam] Zenith750-List: DIY CNC size
I am trying to decide on whether to build from scratch or from kit. I am
leaning towards scratch for all sorts of reasons and if I go that way I
would want to build a CNC machine first, as I am not fond of 'tin snips'.
I am trying to decide on what size CNC table I would need to construct. I
would like to build one that could accommodate 80% of the parts that need to
be cut. What I don't know is, what size is that? 36" x 48" maybe?
Could someone clue me into what size CNC table would accommodate 80% of the
parts of a CH-750?
Thank you for your time,
Dave
(working on my Wynne Corvair conversion now)
--------
Dave
Alvin, Texas
CH-701 wanna-be-soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352045#352045
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| Subject: | Re: DIY CNC size |
| From: | "DaveC" <davecove(at)gmail.com> |
Bob, I was was not looking at a full-sized CNC bed for cost reasons, not space
reasons as I have good amount of space. I figured a smaller 4'x3' CNC that did
80% of the parts would be much cheaper than a 4'x12' model. Maybe not... If you
don't mind me asking, how much do you think you will spend on your 4x12 MechMate?
(my email is in my profile)
Building such a monster might be worth it for me since the wife wants a Hummel
UltraCruiser after the 750 and then I might do a 'go real fast' 2-seater for x-country.
--------
Dave
Alvin, Texas
CH-750 wanna-be building Wynne Corvair conversion
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352063#352063
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| Subject: | 750/Jab 3300 prop poll |
| From: | "jwd3ca" <jd(at)lawsonimaging.ca> |
Greetings 750 drivers...
I am starting to think about my prop purchase and would like to know about other's
recommendations for propellers. I'm currently considering the Whirlwind (as
used on Roger's 'demo' 750), JabiruUSA's recommended W68CK36 Sensenich, and
possibly a Prince P-Tip, which I am currently flying on my Sonex and am very happy
with.
So if you have experience propping the 750/3300, I'd like to hear about it.
Prop specs, static rpm, climb-out rpm/airspeed, cruise rpm/airspeed, WOT rpm/airspeed
numbers appreciated, along with overall rating/impressions of you chosen
prop. Thanks!
--------
Regards, J.
- Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jab 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb
- former C-IGGY CH701 owner/builder, CH750 in progress
-----------------------------
J. Davis, M.Sc. (comp sci)
email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca
*NIX consulting, SysAdmin
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354933#354933
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| From: | "Malcolm Hunt" <malcolmhunt(at)mha1.fsbusiness.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Nosewheel Drawings |
Dear All
This is my first post on the STOL 750 group (am 601 XL builder) so hallo.
I have just bought a set of plans and have the new nosewheel drawing. I
would prefer to build with the old fork and doubler so if anyone could let
me have a copy of drawing 75-L-1 to revision 06/09 or earlier I would be
very grateful.
Malcolm Hunt
Hampshire England
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| From: | "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> |
| Subject: | My Monthly Commercial Message |
Hi All, starting to get cold up here in Michigan. The best days of Fall
flying will soon be behind us for another year.
To go along with all my custom built airplane parts, I have embarked in a
new direction.
My first item in that direction is now on my web site, a Passenger Warning
Placard for your Experimental Airplane panel.
Yes, I am now into plastic engraving, using my trusty CNC. It really does a
very nice job.
If you need any kind of special engraved plastic placards for your build,
please let me know.
I am hoping to discover a lot of new things to do with plastic engraving.
See my sample here,
http://www.mrrace.com/mykitairplane/passwarn/
Hope you builds are all going very well!
Blue Sky's and Tail Winds,
George
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| Subject: | PLEASE READ - 2011 List Fund Raiser Kickoff - 21 Years |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
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| Subject: | Re: Autocad DWG Files |
| From: | "JohnDempsey" <johndempsey(at)pstviewers.com> |
For restore dwg files try recover dwg (http://www.recoverytoolbox.com/dwg.html). The program works under any Windows OS. The utility restores .dwg files after hdd failures, malicious software. The utility uses high end ways of restoring autocad data.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357075#357075
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch |
Button...
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| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
in December!
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's Your Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some pointd, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
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