Cessna-Archive.digest.vol-ab
November 11, 2002 - April 18, 2008
Oswaldo F.
The lists are a fantastic resource and are helping me very much...
Kenyon B.
The list is part of my life.
Ron C.
The CD will free up some hard disk space on my personal PC.
Jeff D.
...unbelievably useful.
Dan O.
...dependable and valued source of builder information.
Jerry C.
My daily lifeline!
Owen B.
...frequently get questions answered on the List.
Billy W.
Don't know how any first-time builder could get by without the lists.
Rick R.
...great source of information and motivation.
Jef V.
Super resource!
David P.
The information presented is very helpful to the building process.
James B.
Wonderful Service!
Wendell D.
The lists are great!
F. Robert M.
...very valuable to this builder.
William C.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser Continues... |
Marie Murillo
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder this morning that we're well into this year's Email
List Fund Raiser. Response has been great so far and there has been a lot
of interest in the Gift options. Speaking of those Gifts, I received a
sample of the Jeppesen Flight Bag from Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com this weekend, and let me just say that this is
an extremely fine quality unit. Its very light, folds down into a very
small form for storage, and will hold a whole lot of your "pilot
stuff"! For a mere $50 List Contribution, one of these very nice bags
could be yours! You'll be the envy of all your friends.
Won't you make a Contribution today to support the these valuable Email
List Services? Please remember that its YOUR generosity that entirely
supports the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists. That's it - no
ads, no banners - just good clean fun; that is, with your support of course!
Please take a moment and make a generous Contribution today. It only takes
a minute using the newly redesigned Contribution Web Site where you can use
either a Credit Card, PayPal, or a Personal Check to make your donation.
The URL for the SSL Secure Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
And I'd like to say a special "thank you!" to everyone one who has made
Contribution so far this year!! I really appreciate your generosity!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Wow, I can't belive some of the nice things people have been saying about
the Lists in that little message box on the Contribution form! I've
included more of the great comments since the last WLAS. Thank you to
everyone that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!!
Have a look at some of your fellow members thoughts below and decide if the
Lists mean at least that much to you or perhaps even more...
Won't you take a moment and make a Contribution to support these
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, high-performance List
services? Its your direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that
enables all of these valuable services you've come to expect of the
Matronics Lists.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
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=================== What Listers Are Saying - II ====================
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I check this List 4 to 5 times a day...
-Bruce B.
These are without a doubt among the best managed
Lists to which I subscribe.
-Terry W.
Thank you for providing such a wonderful service.
-Roy W.
...fine service!
-Christopher A.
Best list on the Internet!
-Geroge A.
Great list with a host of features.
-David A.
Having built part of a kit... ...I know exactly how
much this list means to me and others.
-Curtis H.
As always... you've got a real cool & very useful
service going...
-Chuck R.
I shudder to think of the trouble I would have had
getting this project airborne without this list!
-Grant C.
...enjoy everyone's input.
-Doug P.
I read the [the List] every day...
-Ronald S.
Whenever I feel like not building on my day
off....I open my mail and the [the List] gets me
pumped and ready to hit it!
-Tom E.
The Digest Message subject list is an excellent
addition.
-Kevin S.
Certainly the [the List] has been a valuable source
for building support and advice, but there's another
benefit,... the wonderful friends that we meet and
keep for years and years!
-Fred H.
What a great forum to exchange ideas and info.
-Terry L.
The List is my daily RV fix.
-Neil H.
I always received comments and suggestions when
I requested them.
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Best resource a builder could ever have. A daily
must!
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Thanks for your gift - these web sites!
-Tom P.
...great info.
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The List empowers all RV builders to achieve success...
-Mark G.
I've been reading the postings for a month now and
decided to take the plunge as a result of the
helpfulness and spirit of cooperation I observed.
-Tim P.
...invaluable service.
-Ford F.
I check in at least twice daily for my e-mail "Fix".
-John S.
Its worth every penny of my contribution.
-Paul M.
Wonderful web site and it keeps getting better.
-Jim H.
A valuable list which has certainly helped me.
-Andrew G.
...the List helps so many.
-Don J.
I really appreciate the site and find it interesting
to speak to people who are into this type of aircraft.
-Larry M.
This is a great recreation for me.
-Larry B.
[The List] keeps me up to date and provides a fantastic
resource for information.
-Terry F.
Lists are a great resource!
-Daniel S.
...great service and professional administration of
the Lists.
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I really appreciate the List.
-Edward O.
Worth every penny, and then some!
-Kenyon B.
...great service.
-Ralph H.
Your unselfish contribution to the experimental
aircraft movement is very much appreciated!
-Alex M.
Great help on the Aeroelectric list.
-Bruce B.
It helps on a daily basis.
-Tim G.
Thanks for providing this outstanding service to us!
-Michel T.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | LOC Coming Soon... |
Dear Listers,
This year's List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner. I'll be
posting the LOC on or about December 1. The List of Contributors is a
directory of everyone's name that made a Contribution during this year's
List Fund Raiser. Its kind of my way of publicly thanking everyone that so
generously made a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these Lists.
Support your Lists today and make sure that your name is on the upcoming
LOC! Your friends will be checking no doubt to see if YOU make your
Contribution because THEY did! :-)
Support Contribution Info - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Dear Listers,
I got to thinking today that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund
Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List
Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial
equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages online for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses. I am currently working on the additional ability to post and/or
reply directly from the List Browse interface. More on this upcoming
feature in the next week or so.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 9,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
50,000,000 (yes, that 50 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
We are quickly approaching the end of November and the official end of the
List Fund Raiser. If you look forward to checking your List email everyday
(and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably
getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each
year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or
even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to
you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount and get a
well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support
YOUR Lists.
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made
possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Free Gift Shipping Status... |
Dear Listers,
A couple of people have written asking what the shipping status was of
their free List Contribution Gifts. Seemed like some status was in order
and I thought I detail where we're at...
Flight Bag Requests
-------------------
On 11/20/02 I shipped out the first batch of Flight Bag-Only (FBO) gift
requests. I shipped all FBO gift requests I had received from 11/1 to
11/19 except for 3 (Sorry guys!) - I ran out of my first shipment flight
bags! Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com
) is supplying me with another batch flight bags which should arrive in
about 2 weeks.
By the way, these are REALLY nice Flight Bags. Extremely well built and
very professional looking. Folds down into a very small size, but will
hold a huge amount of stuff. If you fly, and you've got a lot of stuff,
they you WANT one of these guys. Surf over to the List Contribution page
for details on how to get one of your own!!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The Flight Bags have been shipped out US Mail Parcel Post in a large, and I
mean LARGE, padded white plastic envelope. According to the Post Office,
worse case delivery time would be 8 days to destinations on the East Coast,
but indicated it would likely take a lot less time.
Archive CDROM Requests
----------------------
The Archive CDROMs will be mastered and burned on or about December 1 and
should ship out shortly there after. Shipping will be US Mail, Media Rate
in a big padded white envelope. The Archive List data included will be up
to November 30th.
Flight Bag and Archive CDROM Requests
-------------------------------------
These combination orders will ship out when the Archive CDROMs are complete
as described above, likely a little after December 1. The Flight Bag and
the CDROM will be shipped together in the same Giant white padded envelope!
Again, I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore for providing
these awesome Flight Bags to support the List Fund Raiser. Andy has gone
way beyond the call of duty with regard to his support of the Lists this
year and to show your gratitude I would ask that you have a look at his web
site and great media offerings. You'll find some excellent deals on some
very useful material. http://www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution so far this year! Your generosity and kindness is greatly
appreciated. If you've been putting off making a Contribution, now's a
great time show your appreciation in plenty of time to make it onto this
year's List of Contributors AND get your free gift with qualifying
Contribution!!!
List Contribution Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution/
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New List FAQs! |
Dear Listers,
I got to looking at the Email List FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) today
and realized that they where miserably out of date. I spent a wad of time
today completely revising them and adding in documentation on all of the
many new features such as the List Browse and Photoshare. Many of the
little-known features are documented in there now, too, so even if you're a
seasoned List veteran, you might want to give it a read. Never know what
you might discover.
At the bottom of this message in the Trailer you will find a new link item
called "List FAQ" with a URL for this specific List. Just click on it and
print it out or read it online.
Don't forget that November is the List Fund Raiser month! The "2002 List
of Contributors" is just days away and I know you'll want to make sure your
name is on it!! Please make your Contribution today to support the
continued operation of these List Services!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
There are only a few days left until the November List of Contributors. I
thought I'd take another opportunity to pass along some of the really nice
things people have been saying recently about the Lists and how much they
mean to them.
If you receive value from the Lists in the form of ideas, assistance,
comradery, moral support, inspiration, or just plain 'ol good
entertainment, then won't take a moment to make a Contribution to support
the continued operation and upgrade of them?
Secure List Contribution Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
What does the List mean to you? Here's what some of your fellow
contributing List members have said...
------------------------- What Listers Are Saying -------------------------
Great service for aviation types like me.
Larry H
Best investment I've made.
Harley B
I've been on this list since around 1996 and used it to
help me finish my RV-6A three years ago. I'm still here
because I still learn from it and use it to help others
like me who may be where nobody else is building a RV.
Thanks for your service to our community. It's appreciated.
Jim S
[List] people are a great break away from politics, religion
and other sordid subjects.
Robert B
This site is a great confidence builder for the amateur builder.
Gene L
Great service!
Barry P
Very handy list to have, a good place for a beginner to
get great answers from those who already experienced it.
...sure enjoy reading it.
Joel R
...valuable service!
Chris & Indira K
This is the better than any morning paper - the best and
most frequent service that I use on the Internet. Great
job! This will make building the RV doable for me.
Pete E
I enjoy all of the ideas, suggestions and humor that comes
with this list. I don't think I could build my RV4 with
out everyone's help.
Ross S
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!
James W
The list is a great source of information, motivation,
entertainment, passionate debate, and light-hearted back
slapping. I wouldn't be without it.
Roger H
...would still be looking for plans to hook-up s-tec auto
pilot without your service!
David S
The new [digest] format is good.
Graham S
Great information you can't get anywhere else. Lots of nice
people who have "Been there...done that."
George D
My normal morning routine:
1 Kiss "the princess"
2 Good cup of coffee
3 Log onto "List"
A wonderful means of exchanging ideas, asking questions,
gathering information, and sharing experiences.
Robert G
Great lists. Not only are the lists professionally and efficiently
managed, but the *people* on the lists are very helpful, friendly
and fun to chat with. Thank you for this wonderful resource.
Ihab A
Thanks a million, well maybe not a million!!! (:
Ken H
I need this fix every morning or I get grumpy...
Wayne P
Very useful lists
Paul E
This communication medium that you created, nurtured and
continue to maintain is the best thing since AN rivets!
Jim J
The information I gleaned off the list has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
I've been a subscriber to varied lists for several years
now. The knowledge provided has been extremely useful
throughout.
David P
Enjoy everyone's input even though I am not a
builder...just a flyer.
Douglas P
Just laughin' and a scratchin'
Dennis N
It is a real asset and good for comic relief.
Ross S
I can't build my plane without your service!
Kent H
Great info on the lists!
Wesley H
I'm very new to the List but have already benefited
greatly.
Jim S
The "List" has been my best source for information
concerning my aviation projects. Besides, it also
brings a bunch of people together to share their
interests and knowledge. Thanks for providing a
state of the art, easy to use resource tool.
David A
I have saved a lot of grief and dollars from referencing
this site. It is truly an extension of Van's product
support.
Joseph C
Terrific asset this List is to the builder!
Scott J
Great service!
Tony B
Look forward to the list each and every day.
John B
I could not cope up here in this lonely island without
the help of the List and all the wonderful helpful
people that have the experience of aircraft building
and flying for fun.
Johann J
This list is part of my daily routine. I'm addicted.
Terry D
Great forum!
John H
This list is my main interest in the Internet.
George R
Great list. The best out there on any subject.
Kevin H
Been on the list since 1998 and I still look forward to
reading the list every day. A most valuable tool. I have
picked up many useful tips during the construction of
my RV-4.
Jerry I
Thanks for all of your hard work on the lists. It is
one of the reasons I bought a CJ-6A. Without the
Yak-list, I believe it would have been much more
difficult to get all the information that I need
for safe operation and maintenance of this fine
aircraft.
David L
The List has been an amazing source of useful
information. I consider it one of my best builder
tools.
Gunter M
An excellent channel of information. I have gained a
wealth of knowledge on both building and flying Kolb
aircraft.
Jim B
Enjoy the wealth of information that is shared.
Richard N
Fine service.
Beauford T
[The] List is the first stop of the day. Made lot of
friends from it.
Orie S
The information I gleaned off the List has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
Over the 3+ years that I have been building, I check it
several times each day. I have learned a lot of very
useful tips that have helped me in my building.
Richard D
Not only is it worth a contribution for the info gleaned
from it but the personalities alone are pure entertainment!
Stephen F
This is great stuff!!! Entertaining, too!! Fast answers
from those who really know...
Bob R
I am building an RV-9A and have received help from
the lists and occasionally been able to give help to
others.
Alden Van W
This list has saved me countless hours of work and worry
already, and I'm only halfway there! Undoubtedly the most
important aid I have yet found in this sometimes
intimidating process of building an aircraft.
Paul H
I've been a member since '96 and have learned so much from
the vast knowledge of the listers.
Gary Z
Outstanding List, exceptionally maintained.
David S
Thanks for all the improvements you've made this year. The
Photoshare feature definitely proves "one picture is worth
a thousand words".
Richard H
I finished my RV6A this year. It is a much better airplane
because of the help I found on the RV and Aeroelectric
Lists.
Dale W
Can't imagine building without the list.
Larry H
The list continues to be a great resource of information
and advice.
Jeff O
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Gift Selection Added - List Fund Raiser! [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I've just added a great new last minute Gift Selection to this year's List
Fund Raiser line up! I have a very limited number of sets of a wonderful
collection of Aircraft Technical books by Jeppesen entitled "The A&P
Technical Series Book Set". This is a great opportunity to make a generous
Contribution to support the Lists and walk away with a great set of
reference manuals at the same time.
This set of books normally retails for over $117 PLUS shipping, but you can
pick up your set AND make this year's List Contribution for a cool C-note -
that's a $100, by the way! :-) I'm thinking "Great Christmas Gift"...
There's more information on the books and making your Contribution at the
List Contribution web site:
Email List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
We're coming close to the official end of this year's List Fund Raiser and
if you haven't yet made your Contribution, there's still time get your name
on that List of Contributors! The percentage of contributors is kind of
low this year but I'm hoping many of you are just holding out until the
last minute!
I want to thank each and everyone of you that has already made a donation
to support the continued operation and upgrade of these List Services. As
I've mentioned in the past, running these Lists is a labor of love for me
and the hours upon hours of code development, system maintenance, and
upgrades are MY Contribution to support this great resource for Builders
and Flyer's alike. Won't your take a minute and make YOUR Contribution today?
I want to thank you for your support both during the Fund Raiser but also
throughout the year in the form of kind words and moral support. A nice
comment from a List member about how much the lists have helped them is
always a sure way to brighten my day!
Thank you to all!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ!] "What is my Contribution used for?" |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What is my Contribution used for?", and this is a valid
question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support
enables. It provides for the expensive, business-class, high-speed
Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and
minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular
system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance
possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List
Browser. It pays for 14+ years worth of online archive data available for
instant random access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing,
developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List
Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, and Photoshare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and
your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer
viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements
about these days? I will venture to say - next to none...
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable aspects
of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your List
Contribution. Its the best investment you can make in your Sport - BAR NONE!
Email List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
This is the last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser. Based on previous
year's percentages of Lister's making a Contribution, this year we are
nearly 40% behind the normal... And I thought all those great gifts would
eke the percentage up past the average a little. Oh well. Maybe people
just don't really mind the flashing banner ads for Viagra, and popups for
X10 minicams...
There's still plenty of time to get your name of the List of
Contributors. I'll probably publish the LOC on Monday night after I
process the checks from the Post Office.
I do want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so
far this year. Your support is greatly appreciated and is what makes the
Lists possible.
How to support your Lists this month: http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | PILOT8127(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: SkyHawk 172 prop |
Hey Hawk-ers,
I have a very nice McCauley 1C160/DTM7557 EF-051
Complete logs. Includes spacer, prop/bolts, and alum/ hub. Price $600.00
and YOU pay the shipping!
Engine was installed in a Van's RV6A so, the prop is extra and taking
up space. Email me here. thanks,
Gary (aka AJ)
INDY RVs flyout-director
(you only need one seat)
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New List Digest Format!! |
Dear Listers,
I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your
thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of
proud of it, that is true... :-)
What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the
following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I
introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get
different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line
within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with a
HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only
version of the Digests.
I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the
Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual
posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will:
o Take you back to the Index
o Take you to the next post
o Take you to the previous post
o Allow you to respond to the LIST regarding the message
o Allow you to respond directly to the POSTER regarding the message
You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new
format! :-)
The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been
normally sent in line within the message.
You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they
can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future
reference.
Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!!
Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New, NEW List Digest Format... |
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | "Scott W. Hatten" <ScottHatten(at)columbus.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/05/02 |
I Have a 1975 CESSNA 150M..I was looking for a STC'd Replacement Halogen
Kit for the Landing Light.
Would like to get rid of the GE 4313 Bulb!
Scott Hatten
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| From: | John Myers <jmyers(at)powernet.org> |
| Subject: | Service Bulletins VS AD's |
Help!
Are any of you Cessna guys operating under part 91 having trouble with
A&P's or IA's insisting that Service Bulletins are mandatory for an Annual
inspection. I was always under the impression that SEB's were only
mandatory by FAA if they are referenced by an AD unless operating under
part 135. Lately Cessna has been placing a statement in the SEB's stating
it is a revision to the maintenance manual and therefore mandatory for
airworthiness. I suppose that would make it mandatory if the annual
inspection is done IAW Service manuals but if done IAW AC43.13 then it
shouldn't be a legal requirement.
I always thought that the Service manuals were not FAA "Approved" documents
but used as reference for a maintenance and repair guide.
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to get out of making my aircraft safe
and plan on performing any SEB that appears to be necessary and not just a
way of selling parts.
The service bulletin that I am concerned about is the SEB95-3R1A that
affects all Cessna Single engine Flap systems. I think the Cardinal and
Cantilever wing 210 are exempt from the SEB but almost all other SE
Cessna's are subject.
I have already added the SEB referenced wear washers but don't like the
idea of removing both flaps again and doing a die penetrant test on the
rails that had practically no wear when I added the wear washers.
Thanks to all that weigh in on this. If anyone has specific answers from
FAA, I would appreciate a response either on list of off. Thanks.
John M
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| From: | "Ron Bell" <rbell(at)hpavet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletins VS AD's |
John,
Service bulletins are not mandatory, regardless of what Cessna says.
Period. If you IA has a problem with that, have him show you the
documentation. There is a write-up on this very subject on the CPA web
site.
Ron Bell, PP-ASEL-IA
C-172 N62530 based at KOFP
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Myers" <jmyers(at)powernet.org>
Subject: Cessna-List: Service Bulletins VS AD's
>
> Help!
> Are any of you Cessna guys operating under part 91 having trouble with
> A&P's or IA's insisting that Service Bulletins are mandatory for an Annual
> inspection. I was always under the impression that SEB's were only
> mandatory by FAA if they are referenced by an AD unless operating under
> part 135. Lately Cessna has been placing a statement in the SEB's stating
> it is a revision to the maintenance manual and therefore mandatory for
> airworthiness. I suppose that would make it mandatory if the annual
> inspection is done IAW Service manuals but if done IAW AC43.13 then it
> shouldn't be a legal requirement.
> I always thought that the Service manuals were not FAA "Approved"
documents
> but used as reference for a maintenance and repair guide.
> Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to get out of making my aircraft safe
> and plan on performing any SEB that appears to be necessary and not just a
> way of selling parts.
> The service bulletin that I am concerned about is the SEB95-3R1A that
> affects all Cessna Single engine Flap systems. I think the Cardinal and
> Cantilever wing 210 are exempt from the SEB but almost all other SE
> Cessna's are subject.
> I have already added the SEB referenced wear washers but don't like the
> idea of removing both flaps again and doing a die penetrant test on the
> rails that had practically no wear when I added the wear washers.
> Thanks to all that weigh in on this. If anyone has specific answers from
> FAA, I would appreciate a response either on list of off. Thanks.
>
> John M
>
>
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| From: | TVConrad(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletins VS AD's |
John,
Your IA doesn't know what he is doing. Invite him to the local FSDO for a meeting
to discuss SB's with a maintenance inspector and watch him do the back stroke.
Cessna's manuals have never been approved data. They are a guide line for
doing the maintenance. As an IA, I find it alittle amusing that cessna is threating
their owners with SB's to protect themselves from law suits. If your aircraft
is over 18 years old, they can't be sued. Do yourself a favor, find a mechanic
/ IA that has some balls and knows the regs.
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| From: | "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net> |
<>
I have seen that Cessna and other suppliers (i.e., Airborne) have recently
taken this tack, writing their service bulletins in language that implies
that they are mandatory and "sanctioned" by the FAA. I'm not an IA, but I
agree with both replies in that compliance with the Service Bulletins
themselves are absolutely not required. I'm assuming that if there is an AD
and it says that one way to comply is to execute the service bulletin, that
is a different matter.
Gary Casey
C177RG
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| From: | "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou(at)hunton.com> |
| Subject: | Clueless electrical question |
A 1974 Cessna 172 that I fly has an electrical gremlin. The voltage light
occasionally comes on at takeoff or in cruise. No apparent reason. Needle
shows no discernible discharge or overcharge. Turning the master off and
then back on usually extinguishes the light (one time it did not, so I just
returned to base and scratched my head). Flight before last, we needed a
jump to get started; could find no obvious reason that the battery would be
dead (master had been turned off, etc.). On our last flight attempt, same
problem, but this time the jump did nothing - cart hooked up, no juice at
all apparent in the cockpit, no action from the starter.
Ideas? Obviously getting A&P input is the next step, but I feel the need to
educate myself somewhat first. As is probably painfully apparent from this
post, I know *nothing* about electrical systems.
Cheers
Doug
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Clueless electrical question |
Sounds like a bad brush in the alternator. We had one like that in our
Skyhawk. One brush was GONE and the wire to the brush would make contact
until it too worn off and the alternator quit entirely. Ford truck
alternator and brushes are available at National Air Parts Association.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou(at)hunton.com>
Subject: Cessna-List: Clueless electrical question
>
> A 1974 Cessna 172 that I fly has an electrical gremlin. The voltage light
> occasionally comes on at takeoff or in cruise. No apparent reason.
Needle
> shows no discernible discharge or overcharge. Turning the master off and
> then back on usually extinguishes the light (one time it did not, so I
just
> returned to base and scratched my head). Flight before last, we needed a
> jump to get started; could find no obvious reason that the battery would
be
> dead (master had been turned off, etc.). On our last flight attempt, same
> problem, but this time the jump did nothing - cart hooked up, no juice at
> all apparent in the cockpit, no action from the starter.
>
> Ideas? Obviously getting A&P input is the next step, but I feel the need
to
> educate myself somewhat first. As is probably painfully apparent from this
> post, I know *nothing* about electrical systems.
>
> Cheers
> Doug
>
>
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| From: | TVConrad(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Clueless electrical question |
Doug, check the voltage output of the alternator. If one of the diodes is bad,
the voltage will be above 12 volts, but less than 14 volts. Might be time to have
the alternator looked at. Worn commutator brushes will give the same symptom.
Good luck.
Tim
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| From: | "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou(at)hunton.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Clueless electrical question |
Thanks for the input Tim. This is getting interesting. I'm told that the
alternator was replaced when the engine was overhauled (less than 5 months
ago). So it's still worth looking at, but may be less of a suspect than I
thought.
Do you think loose or corroded battery connections could cause this
behavior?
From: TVConrad(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Clueless electrical question
Doug, check the voltage output of the alternator. If one of the diodes is
bad,
the voltage will be above 12 volts, but less than 14 volts. Might be time to
have
the alternator looked at. Worn commutator brushes will give the same
symptom.
Good luck.
Tim
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| From: | "Steven Dortch" <smallfish(at)enid.com> |
| Subject: | Cessna 120 vs 140 |
Hey guys,
An A&P Friend has been approached by a gentleman who has a 120 or 140 (I don't
remember which) that was wrecked 30+ years ago and he is just now getting to restoring
it. The Man wants to begin work and has a parts airframe and some parts
from the other model (140 or 120) and wants to know if he can simply use the
parts without having to get field approval.
I think that they are interchangeable but I don't really know.
What Gives? One particular item is the landing gear.
It seems to me that there are alot of 120/140s that are being restored after having
been stored for many years after fairly minor damage. A good friend is in
the very finishing stages of restoring a 140 after 50 years! It was flipped
and not damaged very bad. My friend says that he did something every year to the
plane, sometimes it was just to move it from one side of hanger to the other.
It is a sure prize winner and I really salivate when I go to his hanger.
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
Former 150 owner (and I would like to get a 150/140/120 sometime in the future.)
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| From: | "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou(at)hunton.com> |
| Subject: | Recurring curious 172 electrical gremlin |
The voltage light in a 1974 Cessna 172M comes on during left turns (!). No
noticeable movement of the needle. In level flight, if the master is
switched on and off, the light extinguishes and doesn't come on again
until... the next left turn.
Previous efforts to fix the voltage light issue (when we had noticed it was
coming on for no apparent reason, but before we discovered the
"left-turning-tendency"), focused on the battery connectors and diode, which
have since been "fixed."
Aside from restricting flights to airports with right-handed patterns, any
ideas?
Cheers
Doug Garrou
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| Subject: | The voltage light in a 1974 Cessna 172M comes on during left |
turns (!).
Are the turns coordinated? I ask this because if they are nothing should be shifting
other than the control linkages and cables. Could these be interferring
with wiring?
Just a thought.
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Recurring curious 172 electrical gremlin |
Sounds like a wire is shorting to ground .
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou(at)hunton.com>
Subject: Cessna-List: Recurring curious 172 electrical gremlin
>
> The voltage light in a 1974 Cessna 172M comes on during left turns (!).
No
> noticeable movement of the needle. In level flight, if the master is
> switched on and off, the light extinguishes and doesn't come on again
> until... the next left turn.
>
> Previous efforts to fix the voltage light issue (when we had noticed it
was
> coming on for no apparent reason, but before we discovered the
> "left-turning-tendency"), focused on the battery connectors and diode,
which
> have since been "fixed."
>
> Aside from restricting flights to airports with right-handed patterns, any
> ideas?
>
> Cheers
> Doug Garrou
>
>
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| From: | Maynard Rupp <maynardrupp(at)comcast.net> |
I just received a letter from Cessna informing owners of SEB03-1. this
bulletin has to do with larger rivets on the elevators of Cessna singles and
adds some rivets to the outer rib. Does anyone have the actual printout
showing models affected and method of compliance.. maynardrupp(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "Tony Manapat" <yakdriver(at)columnist.com> |
| Subject: | aerobatics in cessna |
i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i just got
my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been renting a
172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90 upward, but it shook
a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the loop because it slowed
down so much.
also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the plane. I started
at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane picked up a lot
of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on espn2 lose that much
altitude.
--
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| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna |
Careful - someone might take you seriously.
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| From: | "matsuhisa bigdong" <matsuhisa(at)japan.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna |
Do NOT perform such maneuvers in a 172. You are RISKING DEATH for yourself, not
to mention the poor soul renting the a/c after you.
Are you an idiot? How did you get your license acting in such manner?
Where do you fly out of? How old and how stupid are you?
I'd sooner give you a beating on the ramp than let you fly another plane. Get
serious about flying or LEAVE.
-Matsuhisa
----- Original Message -----
From: N2165v(at)aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:11:39 EST
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
Careful - someone might take you seriously.
--
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| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna |
Tony....You are an accident waiting to happen!
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Manapat
To: cessna-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:53 PM
Subject: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i just
got my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been renting
a 172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90 upward, but it
shook a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the loop because it slowed
down so much.
also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the plane. I
started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane picked up a lot
of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on espn2 lose that much
altitude.
--
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna |
Look in the 172 Owner's Manual. Loops and rolls are not permitted.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Manapat" <yakdriver(at)columnist.com>
Subject: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
>
> i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i
just got my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
>
> how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been
renting a 172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90
upward, but it shook a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the
loop because it slowed down so much.
>
> also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the plane.
I started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane picked up a
lot of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on espn2 lose
that much altitude.
>
>
> --
>
>
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| From: | "Ken" <av8or(at)citizen.infi.net> |
| Subject: | aerobatics in cessna |
Cessna 172 is not certified for aerobatics. Not only that it probably isn't
built strong enough to perform then.
The only inteligent thing for someone that wants to do aerobatics is to take
some lessons.
That is all I will say. I am sure you will get flamed.
Ken
av8or(at)citizen.infi.net
kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com
kring(at)irisweb.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony Manapat
Subject: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i
just got my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been renting
a 172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90 upward, but
it shook a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the loop because
it slowed down so much.
also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the plane.
I started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane picked up a
lot of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on espn2 lose
that much altitude.
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tony Manapat" <yakdriver(at)columnist.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna |
Look, I KNOW that the loops and rolls are not permitted "according to the manual",
but there is a guy at my airport who says that ALL aircraft are built to tolerances
much greater than the specifications in "the manual".
I didn't see ANY signs of damage to the plane. It didn't make any funny noises,
or creak or ANYthing like that.
If you are just going to chastise me for "pushing the envelope" a bit, then save
it. I am a very good pilot. I got my license in 43 hours and missed only 1
on the written.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:05:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
Tony....You are an accident waiting to happen!
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Manapat
To: cessna-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:53 PM
Subject: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i just
got my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been renting
a 172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90 upward, but it
shook a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the loop because it slowed
down so much.
also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the plane. I
started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane picked up a lot
of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on espn2 lose that much
altitude.
--
--
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| From: | Cessna386(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna |
I'm afraid we'll be reading about poor Tony.
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken" <av8or(at)citizen.infi.net> |
| Subject: | aerobatics in cessna |
You didn't see any damage. Did you pull the inspection plates. Did you
remove the panel at the rear of the baggage compartment and check the
bulkheads and stringers. Did you check for worn or bent bolts at the wing
attach points and wing struts. There can be a lot of damage not visible
unless you really check for it.
What do you know about this guy that know all this about aircraft. Is he an
engineer? Is he a test pilot? Does he know what that you are out doing
aerobatics in a C172 because of what he said.
Got your license in 43 hours. Only missed 1 on the written. If you are
really doing rolls and loops in a C172 it might not be long before you loose
the license.
Ken
av8or(at)citizen.infi.net
kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com
kring(at)irisweb.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony Manapat
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
Look, I KNOW that the loops and rolls are not permitted "according to the
manual", but there is a guy at my airport who says that ALL aircraft are
built to tolerances much greater than the specifications in "the manual".
I didn't see ANY signs of damage to the plane. It didn't make any funny
noises, or creak or ANYthing like that.
If you are just going to chastise me for "pushing the envelope" a bit, then
save it. I am a very good pilot. I got my license in 43 hours and missed
only 1 on the written.
Tony
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tony Manapat" <yakdriver(at)columnist.com> |
| Subject: | aerobatics in cessna |
Ken:
Thanks for your concern, but I don't know what these "bulkheads and stringers"
are. Yes, I looked at the wing strut. It was fine. What is an "inspection
plate"? How is that important to performing a loop or roll? The planes on
espn2 do it all the time. over and over and over.
I KNOW how to examine an airplane. My instructor was VERY good and even used to
fly for a major airline. He knows how to teach.
This "guy at the airport" has over 400 hours and knows a lot about different planes.
No, he does not know that I have tried to loop the plane, but I'll ask
him. Maybe he knows how. Maybe a 182 with more power would be more successful.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <av8or(at)citizen.infi.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:45:55 -0500
Subject: RE: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
You didn't see any damage. Did you pull the inspection plates. Did you
remove the panel at the rear of the baggage compartment and check the
bulkheads and stringers. Did you check for worn or bent bolts at the wing
attach points and wing struts. There can be a lot of damage not visible
unless you really check for it.
What do you know about this guy that know all this about aircraft. Is he an
engineer? Is he a test pilot? Does he know what that you are out doing
aerobatics in a C172 because of what he said.
Got your license in 43 hours. Only missed 1 on the written. If you are
really doing rolls and loops in a C172 it might not be long before you loose
the license.
Ken
av8or(at)citizen.infi.net
kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com
kring(at)irisweb.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony Manapat
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
Look, I KNOW that the loops and rolls are not permitted "according to the
manual", but there is a guy at my airport who says that ALL aircraft are
built to tolerances much greater than the specifications in "the manual".
I didn't see ANY signs of damage to the plane. It didn't make any funny
noises, or creak or ANYthing like that.
If you are just going to chastise me for "pushing the envelope" a bit, then
save it. I am a very good pilot. I got my license in 43 hours and missed
only 1 on the written.
Tony
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna |
| From: | Jack <baron58(at)earthlink.net> |
on 2003/02/15 16:42, Tony Manapat at yakdriver(at)columnist.com wrote:
> I am a very good pilot.
FlightSim, maybe.
> I got my license in 43 hours and missed only 1 on the written.
Couldn't have been the onne about following the rules, could it?
> If you are just going to chastise me for "pushing the envelope" a bit, then
> save it.
Push it all you like. In your own airplane. Over your own land. Alone. With
a large insurance policy naming me as beneficiary. Soon.
Preferably prior to any more trivial childish posts on USENET
Jack
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| From: | david.keck(at)amd.com.amdint2.amd.com.with.ESMTP.id.RAA08623.for (8.9.3/8.9.3/AMD) |
| Subject: | aerobatics in cessna |
with ESMTP id RAA08623 for
I think he's pulling our legs.
His replies are what I would say to start this kind of reaction.
Look at his email address. Also his name doesn't show up in the FAA registry.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack [mailto:baron58(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
on 2003/02/15 16:42, Tony Manapat at yakdriver(at)columnist.com wrote:
> I am a very good pilot.
FlightSim, maybe.
> I got my license in 43 hours and missed only 1 on the written.
Couldn't have been the onne about following the rules, could it?
> If you are just going to chastise me for "pushing the envelope" a bit, then
> save it.
Push it all you like. In your own airplane. Over your own land. Alone. With
a large insurance policy naming me as beneficiary. Soon.
Preferably prior to any more trivial childish posts on USENET
Jack
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Bell" <rbell(at)hpavet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna |
Tony,
I would suggest you contact your local FSDO and ask them. I'm sure they
would be very helpful. :-)
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Manapat" <yakdriver(at)columnist.com>
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
>
> Look, I KNOW that the loops and rolls are not permitted "according to the
manual", but there is a guy at my airport who says that ALL aircraft are
built to tolerances much greater than the specifications in "the manual".
>
> I didn't see ANY signs of damage to the plane. It didn't make any funny
noises, or creak or ANYthing like that.
>
> If you are just going to chastise me for "pushing the envelope" a bit,
then save it. I am a very good pilot. I got my license in 43 hours and
missed only 1 on the written.
>
> Tony
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net>
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:05:58 -0500
> To: cessna-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
>
>
> Tony....You are an accident waiting to happen!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony Manapat
> To: cessna-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:53 PM
> Subject: Cessna-List: aerobatics in cessna
>
>
>
> i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i
just got my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
>
> how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been
renting a 172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90
upward, but it shook a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the
loop because it slowed down so much.
>
> also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the
plane. I started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane
picked up a lot of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on
espn2 lose that much altitude.
>
>
> --
>
>
> --
>
>
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| From: | "tom hastings" <tomhastings(at)iname.com> |
| Subject: | Re: My Apologies for Recent List Mis-Use... |
Matt:
Thanks, this guy/animal was out of line on MANY occasions.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 01:35:00 -0800
cessna-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Cessna-List: My Apologies for Recent List Mis-Use...
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| From: | "Steven Dortch" <smallfish(at)enid.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna |
Dear Tony and other Listers,
A Couple of short stories about aerobatics in non aerobatic aircraft.
First, A personal friend was a fine pilot when it came to controlling the
aircraft and he could really get the most out of an airplane. He had quite a
few hours for someone his age (He was around 18 years old.) He ended up
owning an Ercoupe. He is the only person that I know has ever gotten an
Ercoupe to spin. He was doing loops in the Ercoupe and at the top of the
loop he ran out of energy and the thing stalled inverted! He did not have
the skills or Altitude needed to recover and spun it into the ground,
killing himself and his best friend.
Second Story is that of a man who was flying aerobatics in a Cessna 140
and the wing tip folded and he spun into the ground, killing himself. Turns
out he had been doing "mild" aerobatics in the plane for a couple of years
and the stress on the wing eventually caused the catastrophic failure.
Tony, Yes these planes are stressed for some Gs beyond their capability. But
they are not stressed for repeated high Gs. They also begin to react
different when they are at unusual angles. You may not be the one who has a
structural failure due to your aerobatics, the guy renting the plane next
year may be the one who, in severe turbulance, has an airframe failure and
dies.
Please, stop doing aerobatics in nonaerobatic aircraft, go get aerobatic
lessons and rent an aerobatic airplane, or better yet buy a Cessna 150
Aerobat. They are stressed for aerobatics and are easy to fly. They also
have a good resale value when you decide to upscale.
Has anyone heard of an STC Kit or upgrade that will take a normal Cessna 150
to the Aerobat level and thus stressed for full aerobatics?
I thing a great plane would be a square tail, fastback 150 with a 150 HP up
front and a Texas Taildragger setup with aerobatics availiable! (No IFR,
just as light as possible.)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "Jim Devany" <jdevany(at)olypen.com> |
| Subject: | Looking for a Cessna 182 RG |
Hi:
I have an acquaintance who is looking for a 1982-1984 Cessna 182 RG. He has
some specifics to this need and I can pass them to anyone who may have an
interest here.
Jim Devany
j_devany(at)yahoo.com
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| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
Hi,
I'm new to this list.
Is anyone familiar with the French Reims 172 (Reims Rocket)? From what I remember
it is a 172 airframe powered by a 210 hp fuel injected Rolls Royce or Continental
engine (IO360?) driving a constant speed prop.
Anyone have the performance specs for this aircraft?
Regards,
Andrew Watson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MikeM <mladejov(at)ced.utah.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/16/03 |
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Cessna-List Digest Server wrote:
> Subject: Cessna-List: Reims Rocket
> Is anyone familiar with the French Reims 172 (Reims Rocket)? From what I remember
> it is a 172 airframe powered by a 210 hp fuel injected Rolls Royce or Continental
> engine (IO360?) driving a constant speed prop.
>
> Anyone have the performance specs for this aircraft?
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Watson
We had two Cessna T41 "Mescalaro"s in our Utah Wing Civil Air
Patrol, which are similar to the Reims Rocket. These were
obtained surplus from the USAF. They had the Continental O360
and CS prop. They also had lifting rings, and hard points under
the wings for ordinance. The USAF academy in Colorado had
dozens of T41s that they used as primary flight trainers up
until about 10 years ago.
The Service Manual for the K model 172 that I have lists the
Reims Rocket parts with footnotes. As I remember, the
prop/engine/cowling is where the bulk of the differences are.
I flew both of the T41s a few times. The higher power and CS
prop made the airplane better for our mountains than a standard
172, but was still nothing to jump up and down about. I have
thousands of hours in various normally aspirated and
turbocharged 182s, so the 172/T41 seemed somewhat anemic...
I know the fellow who bought one of the T41s from the CAP. If
you write me privately, I can give you his email address.
Mike Mladejovsky
Skylane '1MM
Pacer '00Z
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| Subject: | 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement... |
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| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! |
Dear Listers,
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| From: | <n7155a(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Cessna manufactures 944 planes in 2002... |
Cessna leads the GA manufacturers by shipping 944 airplanes in 2002. 305 were 172's.
Piper shipped 290.
http://www.speednews.com/lists/Gama02.pdf
Mitch Williams - trying to drum up some discussion on this list.....
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| From: | andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca |
Hi,
Are there any 207 drivers out there? I'd like to get in touch with somebody who
has experience on a 207 as I am doing some research for a story that I plan to
write. From what I understand it is very similar to a 206, just a bit slower
and has a better payload.
Thanks,
Andrew.
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| From: | Knights5(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Hello from Kenosha |
Hello All!
I am a retired AF pilot type with a brand new BFR after not flying for 7 years.
Anyone else from the Kenosha WI area?
Cheers!
Kurt Green
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| Subject: | Re: Hello from Kenosha |
| From: | randysharp(at)mac.com |
Hello Kurt,
I too just retired from the USAF (ANG), my last sortie was in Iraq. (I
fly the MH60G PaveHawk)
It's great to be home!
I just returned to my regular job this week at Apple Computer.
(I'm from the Bay Area in CA, 50 miles south of SF)
Hope to be a proud owner of a 421C this week.
Fly safe,
Randy Sharp
On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 09:08 AM, Knights5(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello All!
>
> I am a retired AF pilot type with a brand new BFR after not flying for
> 7 years.
>
> Anyone else from the Kenosha WI area?
>
> Cheers!
>
> Kurt Green
>
>
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| From: | "Mark Stevens" <taxt(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Bartelsville Biplane Expo 2003 |
Just wanted to pass along to everyone there is a fly in at Bartelsville OK
(BVO) this weekend. One of the better ones that I have been too. Great
people and an excellent time. Took my first flight in a Bi-plane there and
was sold on open cockpit flying after that. If you get a chance come on up.
Mark
http://www.biplaneexpo.com/
"Once you fly you will walk with your eyes skyward.
For there you have been and there you will go again."
Leornardo da Vinci 1452-1519
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| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
I would think that a President who is a pilot would understand what tremendous
inconveniences he causes by allowing these ridiculous flight restrictions. Just
look at the list of airports, large and small that are effected. He reminds
me of the time Clinton allowed an entire airport to be shutdown while he had a
leisurely haircut in a parked A/F One.
This present President knows better and choses to ignore the difficulties he causes.
Yeah, I know "He doesn't set these rules".
BS He could stop this idiosy with three short words "Cut the Crap!".
The aviation world should be screaming to him personally. I don't think he's totally
deaf.
Steve C.
====================================================================
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow
More damn restrictions!
Steve C.
====================================
----- Original Message -----
From: JERRYROOKS(at)aol.com
Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003
A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area
==> ATTENTION PILOTS <==
FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA
AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish
30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and
Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30.
AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential
movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association
maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation
Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the
president's security.
The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local
on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP
vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The
Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and
prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE
vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa
International Airport).
Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000
feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress.
Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete
transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain
two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic
control may authorize transient operations.
The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48),
Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North
Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46),
Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort
Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4),
Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive
(FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark
(PMP).
The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International
(TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International
(PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted
(SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM),
Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal
(ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and
Hernando County (BKV).
Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights
as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See
AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ).
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| From: | "Ken" <av8or(at)infionline.net> |
Don't forget the shrub was a military drive. Did he ever fly a Cessna as a
civilian.
Ken
av8or(at)infionline.net
kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com
kring(at)irisweb.net
www.irisweb.net
www.mountainviewdogs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Crow
Subject: Cessna-List: TRF's
I would think that a President who is a pilot would understand what
tremendous inconveniences he causes by allowing these ridiculous flight
restrictions. Just look at the list of airports, large and small that are
effected. He reminds me of the time Clinton allowed an entire airport to be
shutdown while he had a leisurely haircut in a parked A/F One.
This present President knows better and choses to ignore the difficulties he
causes. Yeah, I know "He doesn't set these rules".
BS He could stop this idiosy with three short words "Cut the Crap!".
The aviation world should be screaming to him personally. I don't think he's
totally deaf.
Steve C.
====================================================================
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow
More damn restrictions!
Steve C.
====================================
----- Original Message -----
From: JERRYROOKS(at)aol.com
Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003
A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area
==> ATTENTION PILOTS <==
FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA
AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish
30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and
Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30.
AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential
movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association
maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation
Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the
president's security.
The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local
on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP
vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The
Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and
prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE
vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa
International Airport).
Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000
feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress.
Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete
transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain
two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic
control may authorize transient operations.
The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48),
Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North
Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46),
Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort
Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4),
Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive
(FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark
(PMP).
The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International
(TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International
(PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted
(SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM),
Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal
(ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and
Hernando County (BKV).
Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights
as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See
AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
This message from JERRYROOKS(at)aol.com .........
In a message dated 6/28/2003 8:24:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
To; Steve C.
I'm wondering when they'll start shutting down the air space around where
Air Force One is en route ?? We sure seem to be terrorized !!
Let's figure some way to tell him how this really seems to everybody else.
Thanks for keeping folks informed.
Jerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
More stories of what a "minor" inconvenience from an insensative goat can mean
to a flight operation.
Steve C.
============================================================
Subject: Re: Fw: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton
All,
I had a 4 hour delay the day the day Clinton had his hair cut on the end of
25R at KLAX, they should have cut his throat, I already had a 15 hour
flight time sector ahead of me, we just made it with minutes to spare in
our heavy crew duty limit of 20hrs, I was on the way to Melbourne YMML,
direct from KLAX.
What was so infuriating about the episode is that there are two perfectly
good, VIP spots ( and more secure than the eastern fence at KLAX, right by a main
road) on the western remote ramp, where AirForce 1 and similar
always go.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
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>--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow
>
>I would think that a President who is a pilot would understand what
>tremendous inconveniences he causes by allowing these ridiculous flight
>restrictions. Just look at the list of airports, large and small that are
>effected. He reminds me of the time Clinton allowed an entire airport to
>be shutdown while he had a leisurely haircut in a parked A/F One.
>This present President knows better and choses to ignore the difficulties
>he causes. Yeah, I know "He doesn't set these rules".
>BS He could stop this idiosy with three short words "Cut the Crap!".
>The aviation world should be screaming to him personally. I don't think
>he's totally deaf.
>Steve C.
>
>====================================================================
>Subject: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
>
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow
>
>More damn restrictions!
>Steve C.
>====================================
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: JERRYROOKS(at)aol.com
>
>Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
>
>
>AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003
>
>A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area
>
>
>==> ATTENTION PILOTS <==
>
>FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA
>AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish
>30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and
>Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30.
>
>AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential
>movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association
>maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation
>Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the
>president's security.
>
>The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local
>on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP
>vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The
>Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and
>prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE
>vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa
>International Airport).
>
>Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000
>feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress.
>Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete
>transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain
>two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic
>control may authorize transient operations.
>
>The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48),
>Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North
>Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46),
>Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort
>Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4),
>Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive
>(FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark
>(PMP).
>
>The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International
>(TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International
>(PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted
>(SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM),
>Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal
>(ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and
>Hernando County (BKV).
>
>Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights
>as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See
>AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ).
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| From: | <phil(at)petrasoft.net> |
Please see the attached zip file for details.
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| From: | <n7155a(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Had my first major bout with Carb Ice. |
Just thought I'd write about this. Yesterday I flew to a meeting about 1 hour
away. Scattered clouds about 2000 agl, so I went up and over (nice and smooth).
Flying my 1957, 172 with O300, at about 6500 MSL, over the clouds, 60F at altitude
(about 90 on the ground).
I had set about 65% power, nearly full throttle, about 2500 RPM and leaned for
max EGT, flight following with Fort Worth Center.
About 30 minutes into the flight, I noticed the engine rpm had dropped about 100
rpm.
I adjusted the throttle to wide open as sometimes its works its way closed. got
maybe 25 rpm back.
I adjusted mixture richer, and actually lost an additional 50 rpm.
I then thought of Carb Ice and gave it full carb heat. The engine slowed down
to about 2250, ran rough for a minute or two, then came back to near 2400. Text
book case.
EGT was way low, SO I leaned it to peak, but still had about 2450 RPM.
I took the carb heat in about 1/4 inch, increase RPM back to 2500.
From there I fiddle woth mixture and carb heat to max the EGT.
Overall a good flight. I Didn't expect carb ice on a 90F day in July....
Mitch N7155A
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| From: | <n7155a(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Had my first major bout with Carb Ice. |
Gary,
I thought the yoke shuttered ALL the time on those big 4 cylinder lycomings.....ha.
Mitch - with the smoooth running (underpowered) 6 cylinder..
> From: "Gary Kozinski" <kozinski(at)symbol.com>
> Date: 2003/07/10 Thu AM 11:09:09 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Had my first major bout with Carb Ice.
>
> Yeah....been there...done that. It only takes you to experience this once to
never forget it again. Despite what the books say, it can happen anytime. Mine
was with CFII (172K) doing IFR approaches. My yoke began to shutter along
with the rough engine. Nobody said anything during the short time this all happened
then I yanked the Carb heat and bingo...everything got smooth again.
To my surprise, ,my CFII didn't pick up on this as quick as I did. I patted myself
on my back and remember the carb heat anytime something doesn't sound/feel
right.
>
> Gary
> 69 - 172K 0-320-E2D
>
>
> >>> n7155a(at)cox.net 07/10/03 10:56AM >>>
>
>
> Just thought I'd write about this. Yesterday I flew to a meeting about 1 hour
away. Scattered clouds about 2000 agl, so I went up and over (nice and smooth).
>
> Flying my 1957, 172 with O300, at about 6500 MSL, over the clouds, 60F at altitude
(about 90 on the ground).
> I had set about 65% power, nearly full throttle, about 2500 RPM and leaned for
max EGT, flight following with Fort Worth Center.
>
> About 30 minutes into the flight, I noticed the engine rpm had dropped about
100 rpm.
>
> I adjusted the throttle to wide open as sometimes its works its way closed.
got maybe 25 rpm back.
>
> I adjusted mixture richer, and actually lost an additional 50 rpm.
>
> I then thought of Carb Ice and gave it full carb heat. The engine slowed down
to about 2250, ran rough for a minute or two, then came back to near 2400.
Text book case.
>
> EGT was way low, SO I leaned it to peak, but still had about 2450 RPM.
>
> I took the carb heat in about 1/4 inch, increase RPM back to 2500.
>
> From there I fiddle woth mixture and carb heat to max the EGT.
>
> Overall a good flight. I Didn't expect carb ice on a 90F day in July....
>
> Mitch N7155A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Cessna386(at)aol.com |
My first bout w carb ice was in my 150M 0200 Conti. I had 35 hours and soloed on
my student ticket. Picked the plane up after having the A/P install 8 new plugs.
I can't remember the condition particulars, but it had been a mild November
day (in Maine prox 50 F) and then temp dropped rapidly towards evening. Picked
the plane up at the grass strip as twilight approached to fly 30 miles to
the class C where I hangered it. Just after TO I noticed the RPMs slowly winding
down at WOT. Still climbing out. I pulled carb heat and the backfires began,
then RPMs dropped to 700. So ... there I was, 700 ft, 700 RPM and 70 mph. I
had the tower freq dialed in already, called them to advise of my situation, all
the while looking for a spot to set down. Saw one over my right shoulder, dropped
40 degrees of flaps, looked for wires and landed in a farmer's back yard,
dragging the brakes up to his rear porch. All in about that amount of time!
A few years later I experienced it again at 9000 ft over the NH mountains while
on the way back from OSK. We had climbed to get out of the haze and humidity
while transiting the mountainous terrain. I spiraled down between the cumulous
and at 3000' the engine picked up again.
The reason I tell this is that the carb had a problem. The venturi had deformed
as the result of a backfire fire and was no longer circular, it was triangular!
Found this after a carb rebuild years later. Therefore more susceptable to
iceing.
Jim
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
I have a 1956 Cessna 172 with 0-300. Next to the prop flange, there is a lever
coming out of the engine to control an adjustable prop. It looks like a push cable
from the dash would control it and without disassembly, looks like it controls
oil flow thru the crank. In the O-300 manual, it mentions this in one sentence,
and only says that some had a two position prop, climb and curise.
Now the question. What brand of prop? Is it still available? Did it work? Help!
Thanks
Barry Davis
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
Sensenich has a two positioned oil controlled prop but there was also the
Beech-Roby prop.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
Quarterly newsletters on time
Reasonable document reprints
1-518-731-6800
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Cessna-List: 1956 Cessna
>
> I have a 1956 Cessna 172 with 0-300. Next to the prop flange, there is a
lever coming out of the engine to control an adjustable prop. It looks like
a push cable from the dash would control it and without disassembly, looks
like it controls oil flow thru the crank. In the O-300 manual, it mentions
this in one sentence, and only says that some had a two position prop, climb
and curise.
>
> Now the question. What brand of prop? Is it still available? Did it work?
Help!
>
> Thanks
> Barry Davis
>
>
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| From: | "R. Craig Chipley" <mechtech81(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Small coleman fuel for camping |
Hello List, Does anybody have experience or
knowledge of flying with a coleman fuel cylinder? I am
going to OSH this year for the first time. I would
like to take our own fuel source but I am a little
worried about air pressure differential. Thanks, Craig
C
N7904X
'61 172B
__________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John A. Nielsen" <john(at)nielsenford.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Small coleman fuel for camping |
If it is the pressurized type, there is sufficient margin of strength
built into the can to allow you to cruise up beyond 15k. If liquid
canister, make sure you pack it securely upright.
John
"R. Craig Chipley" wrote:
>
>
> Hello List, Does anybody have experience or
> knowledge of flying with a coleman fuel cylinder? I am
> going to OSH this year for the first time. I would
> like to take our own fuel source but I am a little
> worried about air pressure differential. Thanks, Craig
> C
>
> N7904X
> '61 172B
>
> __________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Kozinski" <kozinski(at)symbol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Small coleman fuel for camping |
Craig,
Been to OSH many times in 172 as high as 10K MSL w/o any problems carrying full
16 oz bottles of propane. They do have an over pressure relief but overall these
tanks are low pressure. Unlike scuba tanks which start at sea level with
4K psi so you want them empty when your depart.
Gary
>>> mechtech81(at)yahoo.com 07/18/03 04:22PM >>>
Hello List, Does anybody have experience or
knowledge of flying with a coleman fuel cylinder? I am
going to OSH this year for the first time. I would
like to take our own fuel source but I am a little
worried about air pressure differential. Thanks, Craig
C
N7904X
'61 172B
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| From: | Cessna386(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Small coleman fuel for camping |
I use a hiking stove that burns gasoline. Simple, and always a fuel source
nearby.
Jim
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| From: | "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | butane/propane fuel cylinders |
<>
The difference in atomospheric pressure going from sea level to 10,000 feet
is only about 5psi. Butane exists at fairly low pressure and propane is at
maybe 100 psi at about 100 degrees F. In either case the tanks are
certainly designed with far higher burst pressure margin than 5 psi. In
fact, the pressure in the tanks will vary dramatically with temperature and
going to altitude will expose the tank to much lower pressures than leaving
it out in the sun, which it is designed to tolerate. I wouldn't worry about
it at all, but I would use normal precautions in carrying fuel in the
passenger compartment.
The comment about scuba tanks is puzzling as they typically are pressurized
to a few thousand psi and the tanks are certified to several times that. An
extra 5 psi out of 5,000 is only 0.1% extra pressure. That same change in
pressure can be obtained by increasing the temperature of the tank only 0.5
degrees F! I wouldn't even think about taking the air out of a scuba tank
except if you were worried about breaking off the valve in a crash or when
flailing about in turbulence, creating missile. If the relief valve popped
(no more likely than when strapped to your back) it would make a lot of
noise. I think airlines like them empty just because (the same reason they
don't like you using your GPS in flight).
Gary Casey
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this
evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes
in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming
email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent
to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-)
The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses
each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely
effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its
time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
solution.
I will post a follow up message later in the week when things
have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share.
Best regards,
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems |
For Some Members...?
Dear Listers,
Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the
excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List
Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email
messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and
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While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new
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through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages
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If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! |
Hi Listers!
A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
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yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
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Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be
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There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
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The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
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| From: | "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou(at)hunton.com> |
| Subject: | Let there be light |
The cockpit lighting in the 1974 172M that I partner in is really, really
pathetic. (From my observation of early 70s rental Cessnas, this is not
unusual). Specifically, there's a switchable white overhead dome light,
hardly ideal for night flight, and a tiny red floodlight that apparently
comes on when you turn on the nav lights. The best way to describe the
cockpit interior at night is "dark."
Are there any effective, cheap fixes to this situation that are slightly
better than clipping flashlights to my body?
Cheers
Doug
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| From: | "LaCosta" <wjcm(at)attcanada.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Let there be light |
Clip a light to your forehead............. or hold one in your mouth .LOL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou(at)hunton.com>
Subject: Cessna-List: Let there be light
>
> The cockpit lighting in the 1974 172M that I partner in is really, really
> pathetic. (From my observation of early 70s rental Cessnas, this is not
> unusual). Specifically, there's a switchable white overhead dome light,
> hardly ideal for night flight, and a tiny red floodlight that apparently
> comes on when you turn on the nav lights. The best way to describe the
> cockpit interior at night is "dark."
>
> Are there any effective, cheap fixes to this situation that are slightly
> better than clipping flashlights to my body?
>
> Cheers
> Doug
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? |
Dear Listers,
The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say
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| From: | <n7155a(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Let there be light |
Doug,
I did instrument training. mostly at night in a '57 172 with 2 red light on a dimmer,
the white dome light, and a flashlight.
The red lights didn't provide enough light to read charts/plates so we usually
left the dome light on. I wasn't looking outside, so the extra light didn't bother
me - of course the instructor was looking out for traffic which was a little
harder with all the reflections from the white dome light.
You might check if your red light is on a dimmer. If so, you might be able to
turn it up and get more light, or repair/replace the dimmer if needed. Also a
new bulb may help.
My 57 will adequately light the panel (except for the DG is a little dark, with
the red light, that is if I lean back. Now when I lean forward to adjust the
johnson bar flaps, the red light hit me in the back of the head and the panel
goes dark.
> Are there any effective, cheap fixes to this situation that are slightly
> better than clipping flashlights to my body?
There is nothing cheap in an airplane. If there is, it probably an Unapproved
Part...
mitch
N7155A
> The cockpit lighting in the 1974 172M that I partner in is really, really
> pathetic. (From my observation of early 70s rental...
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| Subject: | Instruments for Sale |
beech-list(at)matronics.com, cessna-list(at)matronics.com,
homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com, kr-list(at)matronics.com,
piper-list(at)matronics.com, warbird-list(at)matronics.com
I have the following for sale:
RC Allen Electric Attitude Indicator, 14V, 8 degree tilt, 75hrs
RC Allen Electric Directional Gyro, 14V, 150 hrs
Both instruments are still in my RV-8A panel and flying. Have been flying
the instruments 1 year. Working perfectly. Each list for $1895. Make offer
direct to: lenleg(at)aol.com
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
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| From: | MikeM <mladejov(at)ced.utah.edu> |
| Subject: | Looking for an oversize nose-wheel fork |
I have a 182 which I would like to put a 6.00 nosewheel on.
Anbody have a lead on one that would fit? I understand that
forks off 172, 182, 206, 310, or 337 may work.
MikeM
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
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| Subject: | RE: Cessna-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/24/03 (confirm please) |
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| From: | "cb" <chrishb(at)bellsouth.net> |
have cessna 152 1982 with wingtip strobes but no tail beacon, vertical
stabilizer cap does not have a hole for beacon or stobe,....anyone know if
there is a light that can be mounted to cap or do i need to buy a new cap
and then mount light...looking at aircraft spruce but no info re: present
situation
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
DNA: not not archive
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
First let me say that I normally don't condone the sharing of warnings
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There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that
is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such
things as:
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content) outgoing from your e-mail account"
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All of these messages include an attachment that you are instructed to
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These enclosures all contain a virus that will infect your system and
propagate even more copies of the original message.
The disturbing part of these messages is that they appear to be coming
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| From: | "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Santa Maria CA Fly-In (April 30-May 2) |
Hello everyone!
With Matt Dralle's blessing (thank you, Matt!), I'm pleased to post this announcement
for a terrific aviation fly-in weekend. SMXgig (in Santa Maria, CA) has
become the year's largest face-to-face get-together of electronically networked
aviators. We hope you'll plan to attend because we expect this year's gig to
be the best ever.
People come from all over the country (and sometimes overseas) to attend, and most of the sessions qualify for FAA Wings cards. The dates are 4/30-5/2/04 (Friday-Sunday) - it's a lot of fun, and a great chance for pilots from all over to mingle and share aviation stories, ideas, etc. The announcement below contains most of the crucial information, and you can get the rest from the website (www.smxgig.org). If you have any questions at all, just let me know, and thanks!
~~Cory Emberson
KHWD
>>> NOTICE TO AIRMEN! <<<
Announcing the Sixteenth Annual SMXgig
to be held on April 30 - May 2, 2004
at the Radisson on the Santa Maria (CA) Airport (aka SMX)
www.smxgig.org
SMXgig will be April 30 - May 2, 2004, at the Santa Maria Radisson. This year,
our featured speaker after Friday night's dinner will be Rod Machado!
"MACH 2 WITH MACHADO" is the byline Rod Machado has earned for his rapid fire delivery
at his lively safety seminars and keynote speeches. His programs are information-packed,
energetic, and humorous. He has spoken in all fifty of the
United States and in Europe sharing his fresh approach to aviation education.
If you can make it, please do. It's going to be pretty special. More information and the announcement/ registration info is available at www.smxgig.org You may also contact me by email at: cory(at)smxgig.org.
All technical sessions will be held in the Enterprise Ballroom at the SMX Radisson.
Each session will last about an hour. We schedule four tech sessions on Saturday
morning, and four on Sunday morning. Most of the speakers are set (I'm
still firming up a couple of slots - I'm working on a session about Experimentals):
MIKE BUSCH - The Art and Science of Troubleshooting
Your A frequently, that person is you. That's particularly true of problems that
occur only in-flight and/or are intermittent. This session offers methodology
for troubleshooting aimed at aircraft owners who aren't A&Ps.
ED WILLIAMS - GPS - How It Works, and How to Work It
Ed is a nuclear physicist working at Lawrence Livermore Labs. Ed does a
remarkable job of making physics phun!
BRENT BLUE, M.D. - Pilot Medicals: How to Avoid Problems with the FAA
Brent is an AME Advocate, who specializes in helping the tough cases renew their
medicals. He's a former member of EAA's medical advisory committee.
DOUG RITTER - Equipping Yourself To Survive - Personal Survival Gear for Pilots
Doug is a survival evangelist, personally driven to help pilots live through whatever comes next. www.equipped.org
PAUL MILLNER - The Future of Avgas
Paul works with ChevronTexaco, and is right in the middle of the industry developments
regarding our fuel of choice.
MARY DUFFY & UWE LEMKE - Flying in Europe
Mary and Uwe are a Scot and a German who live in the San Francisco Bay Area, but
return "home" often.
As always, each qualifying session will get you a WINGS Safety Session card.
Our Saturday evening event should be a delicious one! At 5:45 p.m., the BFUB (Big Fat Ugly Bus) will arrive at the Santa Maria Radisson to bring us to the Far Western Tavern for dinner in beautiful Guadalupe (www.farwesterntavern.com).
DOLLARS AND CENTS
Just as in previous years, there will be one flat all-encompassing "gig" fee that
covers all events that involve significant out-of-pocket costs for the organizers.
The fee is $160 per person, and will cover:
- Friday afternoon welcome party
- Friday evening dinner banquet
- Saturday and Sunday tech sessions
- Saturday afternoon lunch
- Saturday evening dinner at the Far Western Tavern in Guadalupe
- Meeting rooms and coffee service at the Santa Maria Radisson
- Transportation to (and from) the Far Western Tavern
Lodging at the SMX Radisson will cost $89.00/night for either a single or double
room, which is far below the regular hotel room rate. Be sure you check in as
a SMXgig attendee and get the special rate. We have our definitive preference
listed with the hotel for rampside rooms - early registration can only help,
but of course, the rampside rooms are subject to availability depending on how
many existing guests are in those rooms.
You do not need to register with the hotel - just give me your preferences, and
I will take care of the reservations.
Important: This year, our final rooming lists are due to the hotel on April 11,
2004 (the even of Sun 'n Fun), which will guarantee space and the group rate.
The hotel will accept additional room reservations after that, on a space- and
rate-available basis. They will try their best to accommodate us after that
date, but the hotel is already sold out for the weekend.
The website (www.smxgig.org) has detailed information about the schedule, meals, hotel accommodations, and online registration. If you'd like your own announcement/registration emailed to you, or have any other questions, just let me know. (cory(at)smxgig.org or bootless(at)earthlink.net ).
Thanks, and see you there!
best, Cory Emberson
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| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Help - VNE for C210N |
Hi everybody,
Can anyone tell me the VNE for a C210N, please? Thanks.
Regards,
Andrew.
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| From: | "Jim Duffy" <jduffy(at)webpipe.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Help - VNE for C210N |
200 Knots. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Cessna-List: Help - VNE for C210N
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Can anyone tell me the VNE for a C210N, please? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew.
>
>
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| From: | Plancraz2020(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: nylon bearings |
John,
Thanks for your help and reply concerning the yoke bearing replacement. Do
you have to "unscrew" or "pop out" the fasteners holding the instrument plastic
shield? I've asked this question of the Cessna rep but he's not sure on a
1959 model.
Thanks,
David Jones
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| From: | "John A. Nielsen" <john(at)nielsenford.com> |
| Subject: | Re: nylon bearings |
What shield are you referring to? To change yoke bearings, you only
need to remove the top panel overlay...not the plastic panel at the
bottom center.
John
Plancraz2020(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for your help and reply concerning the yoke bearing replacement. Do
> you have to "unscrew" or "pop out" the fasteners holding the instrument plastic
> shield? I've asked this question of the Cessna rep but he's not sure on a
> 1959 model.
>
> Thanks,
> David Jones
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Plancraz2020(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: nylon bearings |
John,
Do the buttons that hold the top panel overlay unscrew or snap out?
Thanks,
David
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| From: | "John A. Nielsen" <john(at)nielsenford.com> |
| Subject: | Re: nylon bearings |
Dave,
If you are referring to the plastic overlay that surrounds the throttle
and other controls, the answer is that it is held in place with the
flaired housing of the cable assy's that run through it AND two threaded
small bolts. The top instrumnent panel overlay is made id aluminum. It
hooks onto the top of the dash and is secured by two small screws along
the bottom edge.
John
Plancraz2020(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Do the buttons that hold the top panel overlay unscrew or snap out?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Plancraz2020(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: nylon bearings |
Thanks John !
David
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| From: | Land Shorter <landshorter2(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | New product announcement: affordable VG's |
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commander-list(at)matronics.com, cub-list(at)matronics.com,
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Hey folks,
I double checked and Matt Dralle's earlier post says it's OK to post about new
aviation products as long as the message doesn't come off as having a "flavor"
of "traditional spam". Don't worry I'm not going to try to sell you anything
that supposedly makes any of your body parts larger (or smaller) and this product
is directly aviation related :) I'm just an airplane builder, owner, pilot,
and aviation nut who wants to tell you where you can find more information about
a great new product.
I've been selling kits of vortex generators (VG's) for only $95 and my customers are telling me they really like the performance gains they're seeing. VG's are great for reducing stall speeds and allow you to land slower, shorter, and safer. I invite you to check out my site at www.landshorter.com and see what you think. My VG's can be quickly installed for testing using removable double-stick tape and come with a 100% money-back guarantee so why not try them out on your plane? You'll be really glad you did :)
Thanks and let's keep 'em flying!
Joa Harrison
The VG Guy
www.landshorter.com
1-877-272-1414 (toll free)
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| From: | Steve Blank <blanks01(at)luey.redars.ca.boeing.com> |
| Subject: | Cessna 150 up for sale??? |
Dear Listers,
I currently own a 1959 C-150 that is currently becoming a hanger
queen as I have not flown it for about a year :
( I'm thinking about
selling it but have no idea what it's really worth. I got it at a very low
price due to a buddies unfortunate divorce just after he got done going over
every part, replacing many pieces like the windshield, headliner, etc.
He also just got a fresh paint job, and rebuilt the whole engine using new
cylinders even though the total time on the plane was about 780 hours. It
now has about 1080 hrs. on it and it flys like brand new. My buddy was
very meticulous and has pictures of all the work he did. I have all the
logs clear back to 1959 and I am currently the third owner of the plane
(N7798E) The only thing that needs attention are some of the original
instruments like the DG and the VSI. It currently has an icom radio and a
king transponder but that> '> s about it. It had a stc for Cleveland brakes
and a new strobe/collision light.
So what do you guys think?
Just briefly poking around I see ranges from 16k to 35k depending
if they were high time and beat up or IFR and a tail dragger.
Any help would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Steven Blank
blanks01(at)luey.redars.ca.boeing.com
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists |
Dear Listers,
Wow! People have been including some very nice comments along with their
Contributions lately! I've included another set of below and will send
another set in a couple of days.
Guys, I really appreciate your kind words and support. In the last few
days, the contributions have really started to come in and its looking like
support this year may slightly surpass last year's. There's still a few
days left in this year's Fund Raiser, so if you've been waiting until the
last minute to make your Contribution, now's the time!
Make Your Contribution Today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | C-177RG for sale |
My '74 Cardinal RG (N2180Q) is for sale. It is a good, solid airplane with
a better-than-average panel, most components of which are about 5 years old.
It has a Collins audio panel, King marker beacon receiver, 2 KX-155's, one
with a ILS receiver, King DME and a King transponder. No ADF. We mounted a
portable Garmin GPS to the glare shield and it is powered off the avionics
bus. It is equipped with a S-TEC 30 autopilot with altitude hold. We
endured an extensive annual 2 years ago and at about that time replaced all
engine and gear hoses, rebuilt all gear cylinders and replaced the complete
exhaust system. At the same time the stabilator bracket mod was done. The
engine and prop have about 1400 hours SMOH and the plane has about 4500 TT.
Most engine accessories, including the fuel servo, electric and mechanical
fuel pump and starter have about 200 hours on them. Located in S. CA.
Gary Casey
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| From: | "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Santa Maria (CA) Fly-in Weekend (April 22-24 2005) - SMXgig |
Hello everyone!
With Matt Dralle's blessing (thank you, Matt!), I'm pleased to post this
announcement for a terrific aviation fly-in weekend. SMXgig (in Santa Maria,
CA) has become the year's largest face-to-face get-together of
electronically networked aviators. We hope you'll plan to attend because we
expect this year's gig to be the best ever.
People come from all over the country (and sometimes overseas) to attend,
and most of the sessions qualify for FAA Wings cards. The dates are April
22-24, 2005 (Friday-Sunday). It's a lot of fun, and a great chance for
pilots from all over to mingle and share aviation stories, ideas, etc.
I have had quite a few inquiries about SMXgig, especially from several
groups, so I anticipate that it's going to fill up this year.
The sessions are still being developed, but I will post an update when we
have the roster of speakers and their sessions.
The announcement below contains most of the crucial information, and you can
get the rest from the website (www.smxgig.org). If you have any questions at
all, just let me know, and thanks!
~Cory Emberson
KHWD
cory(at)smxgig.org
>>>NOTICE TO AIRMEN<<<
The Seventeenth Annual SMXgig
April 22-24, 2005
PRE-REGISTRATION
SMXgig 2005 will be held from April 22-24, 2005, at the Santa Maria, CA,
Radisson, right on the airport ramp. Because of the anticipated demand,
we'll start registration soon, and are now taking pre-registration
reservations with a small ($50 per person) deposit. The deposit may be paid
by check, PayPal, and all major credit cards. Of course, if the unexpected
occurs and you're not able to make SMXgig after all (sniff!), your deposit
will be fully refundable within the refund window (usually about two weeks
before the gig).
Your pre-registration and deposit will guarantee your SMXgig reservation. As
soon as I have the rest of the program finalized, we'll start the regular
registration process. If you believe you can make it, please reserve your
spot with this pre-registration form. First come, first served! The hotel is
otherwise sold out during that weekend, so it will be nice to know you've
got a place in line. You do *not* need to register with the hotel - just
give me your preferences, and
I will take care of the reservations.
SUPERSONIC SURVIVOR
Hanging in the straps of his parachute and feeling the cold night air on his
face, Brian Udell felt as if a freight train had collided with his body. As
he struggled to inflate his life preserver before plunging into the icy
waters of the Atlantic Ocean, he realized it had shredded with the force of
the supersonic windblast.
With his teeth and one functioning arm, Brian feverishly retrieved a one-man
life raft that hung from a fifteen-foot lanyard off his right hip only
seconds before entering the water. After popping back to the surface like a
bobber on a fishing line, the salt water made him painfully aware of the
open wounds, cuts, and scrapes that were strewn over his broken body. The
thought of blood pouring into the water inviting sharks for a late night
meal motivated him to attempt to get into the partially inflated raft.
As he kicked his legs, Brian's lower limbs felt as though only a thread
attached them. Exhausted and unable to enter the raft, thoughts of death
quickly consumed his mind. Knowing he would be unable to survive the night
under the extreme conditions, Brian began to pray. The next several hours of
survival and the many months of excruciating rehabilitation deliver an
almost unbelievable story.
Brian holds the record for surviving the highest speed ejection from a U.S.
Fighter Aircraft at nearly 800 MPH. He survived four grueling hours 65 miles
off the Atlantic Coast in 60-degree water, 5-foot seas, and 15 MPH winds at
night. Brian's determination, perseverance, faith, and sheer will to survive
is unparalleled. His story of survival, recovery, and return to the Strike
Eagle is an inspiration to everyone.
Brian is a very accomplished aviator. He began flying at age nine and took
his first cross-country flight at age ten. Since that time he has
accumulated over 4000 hours in a variety of both civil and military
aircraft.
He was one of only sixty candidates across the United States selected to
attend the Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training program. Brian graduated
number one in his class and was awarded the Air Training Command -
Commanders Cup Trophy. Brian was one of the first Lieutenants selected to
fly the F-15E Strike Eagle. He graduated from Strike Eagle training and
received the top academic award. Brian went on to his operational unit where
he became an Instructor, Mission Commander, and Air to Ground Top Gun
winner. He has flown over 100 combat missions in Southwest Asia and logged
nearly 2000 hours in the Strike Eagle.
Brian received four Air Medals and three Aerial Achievement Medal for combat
missions over the skies of Iraq. Brian's military career spanned ten years.
He left the Air Force in 1999 and he is currently a pilot with Southwest
Airlines.
"Brian Udell kept us spellbound for 45 minutes. You could hear a pin drop,
except when he made everyone laugh. The story of his four-hour ordeal was
gripping and moving. He certainly won the audience."
T. Karr, President
Carolina Aero Club
Just as in previous years, there will be one flat all-encompassing "gig" fee
that covers all events that involve significant out-of-pocket costs for the
organizers. The fee will be determined with the events is finalized (it
should be about $170), and will cover:
- Friday afternoon welcome party
- Friday evening dinner banquet, featuring Capt. Brian Udell, Supersonic
Survivor
- Saturday and Sunday tech sessions
- Saturday SMX-style BBQ lunch
- Saturday evening events (to be announced)
- Saturday evening movie extravaganza
- Meeting rooms and coffee service at the Santa Maria Radisson
- BFUB transportation to (and from) the Saturday evening event
Lodging at the SMX Radisson will cost $89.00/night for either a single or
double room, which is far below the regular hotel room rate. Be sure you
check in as a SMXgig attendee and get the special rate. We have our
definitive preference listed with the hotel for rampside rooms - early
registration can only help, but of course, the rampside rooms are subject to
availability depending on how many existing guests are in those rooms.
>>>SMXgig 2005<<<
April 22-24, 2005
ELECTRONIC PRE-REGISTRATION FORM
When you send your pre-registration, receipt of your deposit will be noted,
and your registration updated when the full registration process begins. The
credit card information for your hotel reservation will be requested at that
time.
Please fill in as completely as possible and send to Cory Emberson via:
1. Email at registration(at)smxgig.org .
2. Fax at: 510.782.0415
3. Regular mail to:
Cory Emberson - SMXgig
20511 Skywest Drive
Hayward, CA 94541
If youre making your deposit by credit card, and dont feel comfortable
emailing that information, please feel free to call me at 510.783.4410. If
you get my voicemail, I will return your call. Otherwise, both regular mail
or fax are safe.
GENERAL INFORMATION
Your name: _____________________________
Your email address: ____________________
Your daytime phone: (___) ___-____
Your evening phone: (___) ___-____
This form is: _ an original pre-registration
_ an amended pre-registration
_ a cancellation
How confident are you of attending?:
__ almost certain
__ probably
__ maybe
Anticipated arrival date and time: ________ at about ____
Departure date and time: ________ at about ____
How are you getting to SMX?:
__ Own plane, type __ N#_____
__ Hitching with_____________
__ Airline flight into_____
Number of attendees in your group: __
Names of others in your group:______________________________
HOTEL RESERVATION INFO
Number of rooms: __
Number of persons: __
Special requests:
__ King bed
__ Queen/Queen bed
__ Double/Double bed
__ Smoking
__ Non-smoking
__ Other:____________________
Sharing room with:_____________________________
CREDIT CARD INFO:
Card #__________________________ exp.______
PayPal address: bootless(at)earthlink.net
ANTICIPATED EVENT ATTENDANCE
Number of people in my party who I expect to attend the following events:
Friday afternoon welcome party ___
Friday evening dinner banquet: __
Saturday morning technical sessions: __
Saturday lunch barbecue: __
Saturday evening event (TBD): __
Sunday morning technical sessions: __
We look forward to seeing you there!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Black" <black(at)usa.sh> |
There's a newer model GPS for sale on ebay. The bids look pretty low.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4513914376>
&item=4513914376
Has anyone used one of these?
Bob Black
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! |
Dear Listers,
Service Provider to upgrade to a larger IP subnet. I will be
re-addressing all of the machines on the network including the
Matronics Web Server and Matronics Email Server at that time. Name
Service will be updated at that time as well and most things should
work again pretty quick. There may be some bounced email for a few hours
or even a day or so as the new name-to-ip-address resolutions propagate
into the depths of the Internet.
If you have problems posting a message to one of the Lists or get a
bounced message back, please wait a couple of hours and try sending it
again. Generally, access to the web site should work within 1-hour of
Hopefully the transition will go smoothly and you'll hardly even
notice! :-)
Thanks for your patience!
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "gerald conrad" <gwcgwc(at)videotron.ca> |
| Subject: | Wanted Garmin 196 |
Wanted a used Garmin 196 or 296.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Cardinal for sale |
For sale - '74 Cardinal RG - email me if interested.
Gary Casey
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cessna-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/23/05 |
Where is it and what does it have? I am asked by a friend to keep looking
for aircraft. Just found a PA 28 250 for a guy, I am an AP who flies. Thanks
David _DWW0708(at)aol.com_ (mailto:DWW0708(at)aol.com)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cardinal for sale |
<>
I assume you are asking about my C177RG for sale - I couldn't tell from the
subject, so pardon me if I'm answering the wrong question: It is a '75 RG
with about 4,000 TT, 1400SMOH, the same on the prop. It has the original
paint, white with light and dark blue stripes which still looks good, but it
could stand new paint one of these days. It has original black leather
seats that are still pretty good - for the last 10 years it had wool covers
on the front. The rest of the interior is, I think average or a little
better than average for original. The last annual was very extensive and
included a complete exhaust system, steel stabilator bracket mod, new gear
hoses and a very extensive gear rigging.
The panel was mostly new 7 years ago:
King KX 155 TSO Nav/Com with Glide Slope
King KI-209 CDI with Glide Slope
King KX 155 Nav/Comm
King KI-208 CDI
King KT 76A Transponder
S-Tec 30 Autopilot
Altitude Hold
Control Wheel Mode Selector
PS Eng. Inc. PM 1000 II Intercom
JPI EDM-700 Engine Analyzer with OAT
Direction Indicator with heading bug
Attitude indicator
Altimeter
(The next logical upgrade might be to add a King(Honeywell) KMD-250 MFD with
a mode-S transponder as this package is on sale for about $10,000. There is
room on the center radio stack for that and it would give you a VFR moving
map plus traffic and weather uplinks.)
Previously installed are:
Collins Aud-250 TSO Audio Panel
King 64 DME
King Marker Beacon Receiver
Digital Clock
A Garmin 245 color GPS is mounted to the glare shield and powered by the
avionics bus and that can go with the plane.
Next Annual Due: April 2005
Location: Camarillo, CA (KCMA)
Call Gary at 805-529-9153
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Cardinal RG for sale |
I have to sell my '74 Cardinal RG:
TT - about 4000, SMOH engine and prop - 1400
New King panel in '98 (dual KX-155's, KT 76 transponder, DME)
STEC 30 AP with altitude hold, new in '98
Original white/blue paint, good shape
Original gray and black interior, average condition
Original black leather seats, good condition
Located in Camarillo, CA
email me for complete information and pictures
Gary Casey
805-529-9153
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce Smith <res02p3h(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Photos of the PFM3200 Cessna 172 |
Does anyone have a copy of a picture of the Cessna 172 that received
the Porsche PFM3200? Barring that, does anyone have a link as to where
this pic may be found?
Many thanks.
Bruce Smith
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade... |
Dear Listers,
I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This includes
some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable processors -
as well as a complete operating system upgrade from scratch. I hope to
have both the old system and the new system running at the same time to
minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but a
few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show up
on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then please
just try posting it again.
Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
to it as often as you like:
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
possible!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade Complete! |
Dear Listers,
The upgrade of the Matronics Email Server can be considered complete at
this time. All known issues related to the upgrade process have been
resolved and email services are running normal. The Nightly Digest
processing has not yet been tested and will wait for tonight's update.
If you encounter any odd behavior with respect to the Matronics Email
Server over the next few days, please contact me via email at
dralle(at)matronics.com or if that fails try dralle(at)speakeasy.net.
Thanks to everyone for being patient through this arduous process of a
major system upgrade!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
At 12:37 PM 4/16/2005 Saturday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This
>includes some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable
>processors - as well as a complete operating system upgrade from
>scratch. I hope to have both the old system and the new system running at
>the same time to minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
>
>Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but
>a few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show
>up on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then
>please just try posting it again.
>
>Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
>7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
>deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
>the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
>will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
>absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
>cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
>
>I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
>Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
>to it as often as you like:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
>
>
>Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
>Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
>possible!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hello anybody out there?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John P. Farra (Office)" <jfarra(at)iapc.net> |
Hey, Gary, I'm here. John Farra, 1977 182 in Sugar Land, Texas.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Cessna-List: Test Post
>
> Hello anybody out there?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com> |
It has been very quiet in this group, but yes, I
monitor it all the time.
Dave
--- Gary Wilcox wrote:
>
>
> Hello anybody out there?
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out!
http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John P. Farra (Office)" <jfarra(at)iapc.net> |
| Subject: | Changing Tire on 182Q |
Can someone unravel the Maintenance Manual for me and tell me the simple way to
change the tire and check the camber on my 182Q? Looks like you use the step
as a jack point but that doesn't look very safe. Suggestions? Thanks. John
Farra
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Changing Tire on 182Q |
If it anything like our 1978 182, there is a boss on
the under side of the gear leg with a concave dish to
it. You need to get rounded adaptor for a floor jack
and mount it to the jack securely. Place the rounded
end into the boss and jack like a car.
Dave
--- "John P. Farra (Office)" wrote:
> (Office)"
>
> Can someone unravel the Maintenance Manual for me
> and tell me the simple way to change the tire and
> check the camber on my 182Q? Looks like you use the
> step as a jack point but that doesn't look very
> safe. Suggestions? Thanks. John Farra
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out!
http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith(at)york.com> |
Hi Gary,
I was wondering the same thing.
Bruce
Gary Wilcox said the following on 6/2/2005 8:40 PM:
>
>Hello anybody out there?
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "John A. Nielsen" <john(at)nielsenford.com> |
yup.
John Nielsen
Gary Wilcox wrote:
>
> Hello anybody out there?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith(at)york.com> |
| Subject: | 172/Mistral Engines combination |
Just wondering if the person who's working with Mistral Engines
(www.mistral-engines.com) is on this list and has any information to
share regarding fabrication of components and installation of the engine?
Thanks.
Bruce Smith
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net> |
Well - I joined the list a while ago and haven't seen any posts. My name is
Gary Wilcox and I'm the proud owner of a 1964 Cessna 172E. I try to fly a
couple times a week but don't always make it. Owned a Cessna 170A in the
early 80's - then quit flying until a couple of years ago. Bought the 172 in
July of last year. Usually fly alone, I can't seem to get the family
interested. I try to do as much maintenance (preventive) as I can myself, so
I will probably have a lot of questions for the list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John A. Nielsen" <john(at)nielsenford.com>
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Test Post
>
> yup.
>
> John Nielsen
>
> Gary Wilcox wrote:
> >
> > Hello anybody out there?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "David Lloyd" <skywagon(at)charter.net> |
Gary,
This List is very quiet at times. You usually have to pose a question and
some guru will hopefully respond. There are so many 'specific' to type
Cessna lists that this one gets shelved at times.
About the family not interested in your flying.... a couple of thoughts.
You probably fly just for the joy of it and don't do many real trips to
'somewhere'...destinations. You can get others interested by planning a
trip with a destination that they will definitely want to go to. If that
works, then do several fun trips for them.
They may finally admit... Hey, this flying method of travel is really great.
Good luck,
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Test Post
>
> Well - I joined the list a while ago and haven't seen any posts. My name
> is
> Gary Wilcox and I'm the proud owner of a 1964 Cessna 172E. I try to fly a
> couple times a week but don't always make it. Owned a Cessna 170A in the
> early 80's - then quit flying until a couple of years ago. Bought the 172
> in
> July of last year. Usually fly alone, I can't seem to get the family
> interested. I try to do as much maintenance (preventive) as I can myself,
> so
> I will probably have a lot of questions for the list.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John A. Nielsen" <john(at)nielsenford.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Test Post
>
>
>
>>
>> yup.
>>
>> John Nielsen
>>
>> Gary Wilcox wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Hello anybody out there?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>
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>
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| From: | "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net> |
We actually have a trip planned this summer. My oldest son is going to the
National Boy Scout Jamboree in Virginia and my wife, second son and I are
going to fly over for a visit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lloyd" <skywagon(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Test Post
>
> Gary,
> This List is very quiet at times. You usually have to pose a question and
> some guru will hopefully respond. There are so many 'specific' to type
> Cessna lists that this one gets shelved at times.
> About the family not interested in your flying.... a couple of thoughts.
> You probably fly just for the joy of it and don't do many real trips to
> 'somewhere'...destinations. You can get others interested by planning a
> trip with a destination that they will definitely want to go to. If that
> works, then do several fun trips for them.
> They may finally admit... Hey, this flying method of travel is really
great.
> Good luck,
> David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Test Post
>
>
> >
> > Well - I joined the list a while ago and haven't seen any posts. My name
> > is
> > Gary Wilcox and I'm the proud owner of a 1964 Cessna 172E. I try to fly
a
> > couple times a week but don't always make it. Owned a Cessna 170A in the
> > early 80's - then quit flying until a couple of years ago. Bought the
172
> > in
> > July of last year. Usually fly alone, I can't seem to get the family
> > interested. I try to do as much maintenance (preventive) as I can
myself,
> > so
> > I will probably have a lot of questions for the list.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John A. Nielsen" <john(at)nielsenford.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Test Post
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> yup.
> >>
> >> John Nielsen
> >>
> >> Gary Wilcox wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > Hello anybody out there?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John P. Farra (Office)" <jfarra(at)iapc.net> |
| Subject: | 182 Back Seat Vents |
The back seat vents in my '77 182Q don't seem to blow much air. I would like to
check to see if the hose and clamps are all OK but it doesn't seem possible
to get access to do so. Any experience or advice? Thanks. John Farra
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Cessna 172 Oil Temp |
I have a 1964 Cessna 172 (Continental 0300D) and the oil temp seems to be
running higher than I remember from last summer. Its still in the green but
only a needles width below the red-line. What is normal? Conditions during
the latest flight were hot and humid - temp at ground level was 92 and
relative humidity in the 90's.
The engine had all cylinders re-built a couple of months ago and I am
runnning straight mineral oil (Aeroshell 80). All of the baffles are in good
shape and the mechanic sealed all of the seams with sealant during the
cylinder rebuild.
Thanks for your help
Gary
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Casey <glcasey(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/25/05 |
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It might be because you are using a higher viscosity oil. Were you
using 80 last year? Changing from 50 to 80 will definitely cause a
noticeable increase in oil temp. The rings in the new cylinders
might have slightly higher friction and you don't say how many hours
you have on the new rings - after a few hours, though, I would expect
this effect to have gone away. I can't remember if these engines
have an external oil cooler or not, but this is another source of
problems as they do eventually plug. If it has a vernatherm that
would be the first place to look.
Gary Casey
>
> From: "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Cessna-List: Cessna 172 Oil Temp
>
>
>
> I have a 1964 Cessna 172 (Continental 0300D) and the oil temp seems
> to be
> running higher than I remember from last summer. Its still in the
> green but
> only a needles width below the red-line. What is normal? Conditions
> during
> the latest flight were hot and humid - temp at ground level was 92 and
> relative humidity in the 90's.
>
> The engine had all cylinders re-built a couple of months ago and I am
> runnning straight mineral oil (Aeroshell 80). All of the baffles
> are in good
> shape and the mechanic sealed all of the seams with sealant during the
> cylinder rebuild.
>
> Thanks for your help
> Gary
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/25/05 |
I was using Aeroshell 100 last summer - started using multigrade in the fall
and changed to the Aeroshell 80 (April) mineral because of the cylinder
work. Now have 26 hours since the cylinder work. I would have expected the
rings to seat by now. This 0300D doesn't have an oil cooler. Not sure what a
vernatherm might be.
Thanks
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net>
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Subject: Cessna-List: Re: Cessna-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/25/05
>
> It might be because you are using a higher viscosity oil. Were you
> using 80 last year? Changing from 50 to 80 will definitely cause a
> noticeable increase in oil temp. The rings in the new cylinders
> might have slightly higher friction and you don't say how many hours
> you have on the new rings - after a few hours, though, I would expect
> this effect to have gone away. I can't remember if these engines
> have an external oil cooler or not, but this is another source of
> problems as they do eventually plug. If it has a vernatherm that
> would be the first place to look.
>
> Gary Casey
> >
> > From: "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Cessna-List: Cessna 172 Oil Temp
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a 1964 Cessna 172 (Continental 0300D) and the oil temp seems
> > to be
> > running higher than I remember from last summer. Its still in the
> > green but
> > only a needles width below the red-line. What is normal? Conditions
> > during
> > the latest flight were hot and humid - temp at ground level was 92 and
> > relative humidity in the 90's.
> >
> > The engine had all cylinders re-built a couple of months ago and I am
> > runnning straight mineral oil (Aeroshell 80). All of the baffles
> > are in good
> > shape and the mechanic sealed all of the seams with sealant during the
> > cylinder rebuild.
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> > Gary
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Lumgair" <lumgair(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/25/05 |
I have an O-200 and my AP had me run mineral for the first 50 hours. The
temps did come down after about 40hr. He said it takes at least that long
for the rings to really seat.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Re: Cessna-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/25/05
>
> I was using Aeroshell 100 last summer - started using multigrade in the
> fall
> and changed to the Aeroshell 80 (April) mineral because of the cylinder
> work. Now have 26 hours since the cylinder work. I would have expected the
> rings to seat by now. This 0300D doesn't have an oil cooler. Not sure what
> a
> vernatherm might be.
>
> Thanks
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey(at)adelphia.net>
> To: HTML.contains.text.after.HTML.close.tag.0.06.HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY.BODY:HTML.
> contains.text.after.BODY.close.tag(at)roxy.matronics.com>
> Subject: Cessna-List: Re: Cessna-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/25/05
>
>
>>
>> It might be because you are using a higher viscosity oil. Were you
>> using 80 last year? Changing from 50 to 80 will definitely cause a
>> noticeable increase in oil temp. The rings in the new cylinders
>> might have slightly higher friction and you don't say how many hours
>> you have on the new rings - after a few hours, though, I would expect
>> this effect to have gone away. I can't remember if these engines
>> have an external oil cooler or not, but this is another source of
>> problems as they do eventually plug. If it has a vernatherm that
>> would be the first place to look.
>>
>> Gary Casey
>> >
>> > From: "Gary Wilcox" <rgwilcox(at)bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Cessna-List: Cessna 172 Oil Temp
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a 1964 Cessna 172 (Continental 0300D) and the oil temp seems
>> > to be
>> > running higher than I remember from last summer. Its still in the
>> > green but
>> > only a needles width below the red-line. What is normal? Conditions
>> > during
>> > the latest flight were hot and humid - temp at ground level was 92 and
>> > relative humidity in the 90's.
>> >
>> > The engine had all cylinders re-built a couple of months ago and I am
>> > runnning straight mineral oil (Aeroshell 80). All of the baffles
>> > are in good
>> > shape and the mechanic sealed all of the seams with sealant during the
>> > cylinder rebuild.
>> >
>> > Thanks for your help
>> > Gary
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Leesafur(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Noisy Beacon Light |
I get a lot of noise threw my headset from the beacon light, is there a easy
fix for this?
Thanks
Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Lloyd" <skywagon(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Noisy Beacon Light |
Lee,
I am getting your message late and you may have already solved the
problem......
You did not say if the beacon is a strobe or bulb. Strobes are notorious
audio noise makers. It is the nature of the power supply charging circuits
and the firing of the strobe. Some thoughts if a strobe noise problem:
* good grounds are a must.
* the power lead to strobe power supply should be located a the 'beginning'
(closest to the actual AC battery) of the panel electrical bus and not at
the end of the string of circuit breakers, etc.
* the strobe cable must be shielded and grounded properly, assuming the
power supply and strobe are separated.
* there are snap-on torroidal cores that one can buy. They should be
snapped on to the headset cable as close to the actual headset as possible.
It will act like a filter. Not a full cure, but, it will help.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: <Leesafur(at)aol.com>
Subject: Cessna-List: Noisy Beacon Light
>
> I get a lot of noise threw my headset from the beacon light, is there a
> easy
> fix for this?
> Thanks
> Lee
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Digest Truncation Fixed!! |
Dear Listers,
I finally figured out today what was causing the occasional
truncation of the daily List Digest emails. Seems that every once in
a while a message would contain a single "." (period) on line all by
itself. The mailers would see this and assume that this was the
universal emailer signal for "end of message", and consequently
wouldn't process any of the rest of the Digest message.
I've put in a filter today to remove any of these sequences so we
should be back in business on the Digests.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CustomACProp(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna-List Cessna 337 MT Propeller STC |
Hi All,
The STC holder has been found.
The MT Priopeller STC for the Cessna 337 is available, since the STC holder
has been located again. Due to business changes on the part of the STC
holder, communication with him had been temporaily lost.
One of the benefits of the MT Propeller STC for the Cessna 337 is a 80 pound
reduction in the empty weight of the aircraft.
Of course, the obvious benefit of installing the MT 3 blade propellers is
the significant reduction in the engine/propeller vibration. Previous sales of
this STC was accomplished by taking a prospect customer for a ride in the
STC holders Cessna 337 with the 3 blade propellers installed.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Custom Aircraft Propellers - A division of Less Drag Products, Inc.
MT Propeller sales and service in Southern California
Repair Stration # LDSR535X
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today,
Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. Archive browsing and
searching along with subscription services will be unavailable for
be processed normally during the upgrade. Please check the Matronics
System Status Page for updates (although this page resides on the web
server and won't be available during the upgrade):
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Cessna flap control |
Hi,
can anybody help me with a construction drawing or photo of the flap control device
installed in the panel of C152 / C172 (maintenance manual)? I would like
to adapt this elegant solution to my homebuilt.
Thanks Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Cessna-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/20/05 |
| From: | "HILL, DAVID" <DAVID.HILL(at)tccd.edu> |
Richard, As you most likely know, the flaps on the C-152 are electric.
The only thing on the panel is a switch, which controls a flap motor and
linkage. A much lighter installation is the manual control in early
C-150
and C-172. Also take a look at the flaps on a C-140; very light and
simple. Spring loaded up and cable pulled down with a lever.
Regards
Dave Hill
Hi,
can anybody help me with a construction drawing or photo of the flap
control device
installed in the panel of C152 / C172 (maintenance manual)? I would like
to adapt this elegant solution to my homebuilt.
Thanks Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Casey <glcasey(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Cardinal for sale |
For Sale - 1974 177RG, serial no. 580, N2180Q. 4500 TTAF, 1500
SMOH. King panel with KX-155's, CDI's, DME, Xponder. STEC-30 A/P
with alt hold and control wheel mode selection. JPI engine
analyzer. Good paint, good interior (both original) with leather
seats. $63,900 OBO.
Gary Casey
On Oct 17, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Cessna-List Digest Server wrote:
> *
>
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>
> Today's complete Cessna-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
> Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
> version
> of the Cessna-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/cessna-list/Digest.Cessna-List.
> 2005-10-17.html
>
> Text Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/cessna-list/Digest.Cessna-List.
> 2005-10-17.txt
>
>
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>
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> Today's Message Index:
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! |
Dear Listers,
I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for
all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that allows
for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works.
But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the existing
email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at the most basic
level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in the traditional
way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed to everyone currently
subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if you are on the BBS
and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message will not only show up on
the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the Email List!!
It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its operation.
All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search Engine
and List Browse and Download will still be available and contain all of the
latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just another method of accessing
the all of the Lists.
You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do anything
except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and look at
all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message or reply
to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on the BBS. This
is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of minutes. There is
a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS page labeled "Register"
to get you started.
I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are subscribed
to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while not an
absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would use their full
name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example "Matt Dralle").
This just makes it easier for everyone to know who's posting. Also, I have enabled
the ability to upload a small user picture with your profile called an
"avatar". Please use a *real* picture of yourself *with* your cloths on! Thank
you! Maximum size of the bitmap is 120x120.
You can either be subscribed to the BBS, or any number of Email Lists, or both.
Registering on the BBS will allow you to email directly to all of the various
Lists. However, to receive direct List Email, you will need to be *subscribed*
to the various Lists as you have in the past. No changes here in operation.
I have added numerous links on the BBS pointing to the Email List subscription
page.
I've had the BBS connected to the Lists for about a week now, so its already loaded
up with a fair number of messages. You can post photos and other documents
directly to the BBS and links to them will appear in the List Email distributions.
Also, when any messages posted to the BBS are viewed in the List Email
distribution, there will be a URL link at the bottom of the message pointing
back to the BBS.
And here's what you've been waiting for -- the main URL for the new Matronics Email
List BBS is:
http://forums.matronics.com
Please surf on over, Register, and have a great time! I think this will be the
dawn of a whole new era for the Lists at Matronics!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Six New Email Lists / Forums At Matronics! |
Dear Listers,
Its my pleasure to announce the addition of six new Email List / Forums to the
aviation line up at Matronics! These new lists support all the usual features
you've come to know and love from the Matronics Email List including full integration
with the All New Web BBS Forums Site!! The new Lists include:
LycomingEngines-List Textron/Lycoming Engines
RotaxEngines-List Rotax Engine for Aircraft
M14PEngines-List Vendenyev M14P Radial Engine
MurphyMoose-List Murphy Moose Aircraft
Allegro-List Allegro 2000, a Czech-built, Rotax-powered Aircraft
Falco-List Sequoia Aircraft's Falco Experimental
To sign up for any or all of the new Lists, surf over to the Matronics Email List
Subscription Form and follow the instructions:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Don't forget to check out the All New Web BBS Forum now available along with all
of the usual message and archive viewing tools at the Matronics Email Lists
site. Surf over to the following URL for information on the BBS Forum:
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy the new Lists!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Wiki! |
Dear Listers,
I have added a new feature to the Email List Forums at Matronics called a Wiki. What's "Wiki" you ask? A Wiki is a website. You go to it and browse just like you would any other web site. The difference is, you can change it. You can put anything you want on this web site without having to be a web designer or even being the owner. You can write a new page just like writing an email message on the BBS. You don't need to send it off to anyone to install on the site. It is kind of like a Blog (weblog) in which anyone can post. Here is a great page on where the term Wiki came from and what it means in the context of a website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
So on to the new Matronics Email List Wiki... I've created this site for anyone
from any of the Email Lists to use. I envision that there are a great many
things that can be added to this new Wiki since there are always new and interesting
tidbits of useful information traversing the Lists.
Off the main Matronics Email List Wiki page, you will find a link called "Community
Portal". Here you will find more links to stubs for all the various Lists
found at Matronics (and a few other links). Brian Lloyd and others from the
Yak-List have already begun adding content in a number of areas. Bob Nuckolls
of AeroElectric fame has added a great article on "Ageing Aircraft".
I have discussed the new Matronics Email List Wiki with Tedd McHenry and Dwight Frye of the RV Wiki Site and they have decided to merge their site over onto the new Matronics Wiki server giving everyone a single source for information on RV building and flying! This migration will begin today and you should be able to find all of the content currently found at www.rvwiki.org moved over to the Matronics Wiki within a few days.
To make edits to the Matronics Wiki, you will need to have a login account on the
Matronics Wiki and I have disabled anonymous edits. This protects the Wiki
site from automated spam engines and other nuisances that could compromise the
data at the site.
Signing up for an account is fast and easy and begins by clicking on the "create
an account or log in" link in the upper right hand corner of any page. Note
that you do not have to have a login or be logged in to view any of the content.
The Matronics Email List Wiki is YOUR Wiki! It is only as useful as the content
found within. The concept of the Wiki is that the people the use it and update
it. If you've got an interesting procedure for doing something, MAKE A WIKI
PAGE ON IT! You can even upload pictures. Saw something interesting at a
flyin? MAKE A WIKI PAGE ON IT! Don't be shy, this is YOUR site to share information
with others with similar interests.
Here is a users guide on using the Wiki implemented at Matronics: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This gives a lot of great information on how to get started editing pages.
And finally, here is the URL for the Matronics Email List Wiki:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Brian Lloyd has written an excellent introduction to Wikis on the front page.
I encourage you to read it over, then drill into the "Community Portal" and HAVE
FUN!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics BBS Forums |
Hello Listers,
I just wanted to send out a reminder to all of the Listers regarding the new-ish
BBS (Bulletin Board System) Forums that are available at Matronics for the Email
Lists. The BBS Forums give you Web-based access into the same email content
that is generated by the Email Lists. When an email message is posted to
any of the email lists, a copy of the message is also copied to the respective
List forum section on in the BBS Forums. By the same token, when a message is
posted within the BBS Forum interface context, it will also be posted to the
respective email list.
Basically, the BBS Forums give you yet another method of accessing the Matronics
Email List content. Some people prefer email, some prefer web forums; now you
can have it either way or both with the Matronics Lists!
You'll have to register for a login/password on the BBS Forum to _post_ from the
BBS, but you can view message content without registering for an account. To
Register for an account, look for the link at the top of the main BBS Forum
page entitled "Register". Click on it and follow the instructions. Site Administrator
approval will be required (to keep spammers out), but I will try to
get these approved in less than 24 hours.
If you haven't yet taken a look at the Matronics Email List content over on the
BBS Forum, surf on over and take a peek. Its pretty cool. The URL is:
http://forums.matronics.com
I want to stress that the BBS Forums are simply an adjunct to the existing Matronics
Email Lists; another way of viewing and interacting with the Matronics List
content. If you like Email, great. If you like Web Forums, great. If you
like both, great. Its up to you how you view and create your content.
You will also find a URL link at the bottom of this email called Matronics List
Features Navigator. You can click on this link at any time to find URL links
to all of the other great features available on the Matronics site like the Archive
Search Engine, List Browse, List Download, FAQs, Wiki, and lots more.
There is a specific Navigator for each Email List and the link for this specific
List is shown below.
Thanks for all the great list participation and support; it is greatly appreciated!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder! |
Dear Listers,
I have added two new email Lists to the Matronics Line up today. These include
a Continental engine List and a Lightning aircraft List:
===========
continental-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List
Everything related to the Continental aircraft engine. Sky's the limit on discussions
here.
===========
===========
lightning-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
This is an exciting new design from Arion Aircraft LLC in Shelbyville Tennessee. Pete Krotje has a very nice web site on the aircraft that can be found here: http://www.arionaircraft.com/
===========
Also, if you haven't checked out the new Matronics Aircraft Wiki, swing by and
have a look. Remember, a Wiki is only as good as the content that the members
put into it. Have a look over some of the sections, and if you've got some interesting
or useful, please add it to the Wiki! Its all about YOU! :-) The
URL for the Matronics Wiki is:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Enclosure Support |
Dear Listers,
Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on the Matronics
Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity, capability,
and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email these
days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and handling
of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on the
various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go through.
Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support for a few
Lists such as the RV10-List, Kolb-List, and the Tailwind-List. Contrary to
my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists relating
to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have policed
themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted.
Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a fair amount
of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the formats
are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and a generic
plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time and
are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from posting
to the Lists.
So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited enclosure
posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only increase
the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to filter
out the chaff.
Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the
Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of
the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
jpg, bmp, gif, txt, xls, pdf, and doc
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could
result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS!
I hope everyone will enjoy the added functionality of enclosures. Please police
yourself and use good judgement when posting messages with enclosures using
the guidelines I've outlined above.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... |
Dear Listers,
This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a new Quad-processor
2.8Ghz Xeon system (yes, 4-physical CPUs!) with an Ultra 320 SCSI
Raid 5 disk system and 5GB of DDR2 RAM.
As with the older system, the new system will be running the latest version of
Redhat Linux. Most of the software configuration work is already done for the
migration, but I still have to sync all of the archive and forum data from the
old system to the new system. I am anticipating about 2 to 3 hours of downtime
for me to fully make the transition, although it could be considerable less
if everything goes according to plan.
The Matronics Webserver will be *UNavailable* from the Internet during the work,
and you will receive a time-out if you try to connect during the upgrade.
Email List Distribution will be *available* during the upgrade of the Web Server,
and List message distribution will function as normal.
This represents a significant performance upgrade for the Matronics Web Server
and you should notice nicely improved searching and surfing performance following
the upgrade!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... |
Dear Listers,
Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the Lists because
of the recently added enclosure feature, I have add a new filter that will
limit the total size of any given message posted to the List. I have initially
set the limit to 2MB
and we'll see how everyone likes that.
If a member attempts to post a message that is greater than the set limit, they
will receive an email back indicating that their message wasn't posted to the
List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size limit and
how large their message
was.
Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Please read and help if you can.. Thank You |
| From: | "rc51mike" <rc51mike(at)yahoo.com> |
My cousin, Marcy Randolph, was on the Cessna 182, plane number N2700Q with the
pilot, William Westover, flying from Deer Valley to Sedona on 9/24 that has been
missing since that same Sunday afternoon. The Civil Air Patrol has been searching
since Tuesday 9/26. The Phoenix police are also continuing the search.
We the family are trying to touch people personally. We so greatly appreciate
the energy and time you have given us and are overwhelmed by the support and caring
of everyone we have come in contact with. That said we still dont have the
plane.
My request to you is outlined on the website under what you can do. Basically,
we want to rally any private pilots, any charter pilots, any forestry individuals,
medical carriers, flight school instructors and students, and anybody else
that might have a reason to be in the air and provide eyes in the sky in the
general northern Arizona region to be aware and keep their eyes and ears open.
Additionally, knowing that a great number of you enjoy the beautiful outdoors
of Arizona, either for hunting, camping, ohv riding, etc., we are asking that
you be acutely aware of this missing plane, and rally everyone that might be
on the ground in the general area. By providing areas you might have been, we
can help narrow the profile and thin the veritable haystack in which we are trying
to find the needle. Think outside the boxany information is good information.
At 9 days and counting, time is not on our side. We have recent information
that a plane was spotted briefly on radar approximately 4 miles west of Payson
at around 12:15pm 9/24. This may or may not be relevant.
The website for information exchange is http://www.N2700Q.com. Details of the LKP are contained in the introduction. Please take the flyer that is posted and distribute to your folks for briefing or feel free to forward this message to anyone you think might be able to assist us in our search. Your assistance and prayers are most appreciated.
Mike Turner
rc51mike(at)yahoo.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=65859#65859
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through these sole Contributions
of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matornics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matornics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days
reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. Each message will generally
highlight a particular feature or benefit of the Matronics Lists or detail
a new feature or service that was added this year. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the
bills associated with running these lists.
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises aka Kitlog Pro (http://www.kitlog.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Paul, Andy, and Jon for their generous
support of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
https://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really
do feel like family.
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum? |
Hello Listers,
One of the major new additions to the Matronics Email Lists this year was the addition
of a new and full function Forum Web Site at:
http://forums.matronics.com
The best part of these new Forums is that they are tied directly to the Classic
email distribution Lists! That also means that posts go in both directions.
If you post a message on the Forum web site, it will be cross posted to the respective
Email List. And, if you post a message to a particular Email List,
it will be cross posted to the same respective forum on the Forum site!
So, no matter what your content viewing pleasure is - either direct email distribution
or web-based GUI interface, you can have it at the Matronics Email Lists!
Won't you make a Contribution to support these Lists? It is your SOLE Contributions
that make their continued operation and upgrade possible!
The Contribution site is Fast, Easy, and Secure. Please surf over and make your
Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics
Email Lists system. Here's how it works...
During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution
to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a
Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the rest
of that year?
Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that makes
a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for
the rest of the year!
The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but also the
Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily Digest
email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note that
my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests, List
Browse, and on the Forum site.)
For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to include
your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to determine
eligibility.
So, in a nutshell, here's how it works:
Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages!
How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics Email
List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is!
Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along with
your List Contribution this year!! Don't wait a minute longer to support your
Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... |
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info(at)matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year. What's a Wiki, you ask? Well, here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition:
A wiki (IPA: [ w .ki ] or [ wi .ki ] ) is a type of Web site
that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise edit
and change some available content, sometimes without the need for registration.
This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for
collaborative authoring. The term wiki also can refer to the collaborative software
itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a Web site,
or to certain specific wiki sites, including the computer science site (an original
wiki), WikiWikiWeb, and on-line encyclopedias such as Wikipedia.
Under the Matronics Email List Moniker, there is now a very nice List-specific
Wiki available! It a place for Listers to put articles about any aviation topic
that suits them. The purpose is to provide what the mailing lists do not:
structure and persistence. The mailing lists are a fantastic resource to ask
a question and get good (and bad and funny and annoying) answers. But once the
question is asked and answered it is not in front of the List anymore. If a
new person subscribes the next day, he/she does not see that information unless
he/she goes to the trouble to search the archives, a hit or miss proposition.
The result is that the same thread of conversation gets created and/or revisited.
There are several things that happen as a result:
1. The person gets his or her question answered;
2. The information gets better as more people think about and answer the question;
3. The people who have seen the same question asked and answered get annoyed
at seeing the same things over and over and over and ...
So this is where the Wiki comes in. You know what questions you wanted answered.
You may have asked or answered the question. You know the information is useful.
So you put the information here, in the Matronics Email List Wiki!
It doesn't matter that this information is 100% complete or correct. Just writing
something creates a placeholder and makes useful information available immediately.
It has the same immediacy as the mailing list but it has persistence
and structure.
But what if the information is incomplete or incorrect? No problem! Anyone else
coming along can edit the article! If I write something and you discover something
I have left out or stated incorrectly, you can fix it right then!
So let's begin and make this the place for information about building, flying,
maintaining, and understanding our airplanes.
But what about whether something is "appropriate" or not? Don't worry. Write
it down. Let the reader determine whether or not it is appropriate. If it is,
he/she will read it. If it isn't, he/she won't. It's as simple as that.
And when you do write that article you won't have to worry about whether some editor
is going to decide whether or not to print it in a newsletter or whether
the webmaster will have time to put it up on the web page.
The last question I hear brewing out there is: if anyone can post anything, won't
this just become a mass of garbage? Surprisingly, the answer is a resounding
no. If you want proof, go visit the Wikipedia, a free-to-everyone encyclopedia
written by whoever wants to write articles. The articles there are as good
as anything I have read anywhere and anyone can add anything anytime they want
to.
So don't hesitate. Write it down. Put it here. It will never hurt anyone. The
more information we get here, the more useful it will become to other people
and the more information they will put here for YOU to use.
Here's the URL to start (there are lots more bured under this starting place):
http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal
But please don't forget that this Wiki and all of the other Matronics Email List
features are supported solely by YOUR Contributions!! November is List Fund
Raiser month and there are lots of Free Gifts to be had with your qualifying
Contribution. Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these great services!!! Thank you!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | WLAS [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments
List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year.
I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice
things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they
are to them.
I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over some
of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree with at
least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that do,
won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its fast
and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch*
feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please
Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool
is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution
matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how
it works.)
Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!!
-Owen B
I love The Matronics...
-Robeto B
My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists!
-Hal B
These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby.
-Bob R
The best source of information for my a/c.
-Tony C
The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning.
-Herbert H
You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known
about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are
still an after-the-fact resource.
-Ben B
..an excellent site.
-Ashley M
The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith
CH 701 project!!
-Brian U
I appreciate the list being here for me.
-Geoff H
..a great service.
-William C
The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility.
-David M
Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project.
-Thomas S
..a great service.
-Robert W
The Pietenpol list is a great resource.
-Benjamin W
The Yak-list is Awesome!
-James S
..great service.
-Robert S
The features you have implemented recently have you poised
to knock out yahoo groups...
-Danny D
I like how your forum looks/works and the list service...
-Ken E
..great service.
-David P
Very useful web site.
-Wayne E
..a very valuable service.
-Chris D
Great sites...
-Randall R
I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so
cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it.
-Wayne E
Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark...
-Fergus K
The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the
donation...
-Lee P
..great service!
-Christopher D
I really don't think I could be building my plane without the
wisdom I find on this list.
-William G
It really makes building a pleasure.
-James P
..great service.
-Doug W
I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't
think I could have done it with out the help of the forum.
-Stanislaus S
Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you.
-Jim G
Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others...
-Michael S
..good service.
-Derek L
The list is responsible for helping me complete this project
and educating me in the process.
-Jeff D
Definitely worth the donation.
-Ron L
..great service to the aviation community.
-Tony P
I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still
get valuable information from this service.
-Don N
A very helpful site.
-Roland S
It's a great community to be part of.
-David L
Great sites.
-John C
A great place to find and share not only information but to
meet people across the country and make lasting relationships.
-Uncle Craig
Great facility.
-Peter H
Its a great source of information!
-Michael W
Great improvements to the List...
-Edward A
Great service!!!
-Rich D
..great resource!
-William C
..excellent lists!
-Michael S
Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list.
-Warren M
..a great service...
-James N
I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the
building of my Europa.
-Svein J
..another great year.
-Robert D
..this [is an] essential builder's resource.
-David A
..excellent service.
-Gregory B
I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year
and look forward to it every day!
-Smith M
..a great communication tool...
-Jon M
Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on
your great list!
-Lothar K
..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto
place for my RV questions.
-Mike D
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Why? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support
from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate
the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter
once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments
stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature
that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone
can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. Safe and simple.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer
the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums
is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages
posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa.
The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and
other files. Additionally added this year is the new List Wiki that allows
members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various
aspects of their project for all to share.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000 postings last year,
accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's 39 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk
a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
Annual List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | More Great List Comments - Please Make A Contribution! |
Dear Listers,
There's a little less than one week left for this year's List Fund Raiser. I thought
it would a great time to share a few more of the great comments I've been
receiving from Contributors regarding what the Lists mean to them. There are
some particularly poignant ones in this batch and I encourage you to have a
look at some of them.
Don't forget that once you make your Contribution, the Contribution Squelch kicks
in and you won't receive any future messages from me regarding the Fund Raiser
this year! This holds true for the Realtime and Digest distributions and
now also the HTML and TXT links included with the Digest! (Note that for technical
reasons, if someone replies to one of my contribution messages, the Squelch
will _not_ be activated, and you will still receive it. Contribution messages
will also still be found on the Forums site and the List Browse).
Please make your Contribution today to support these List services! Pick up a
great Gift too!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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building on a deserted island. The List has made me
part of a learning (and laughing) community. -Larry W
Thank you for providing such a fantastic resource for us
Kolbers. I'm very happy to contribute towards keeping such a
wonderful resource available. -Geoff T
..you do a great service for the flying community by
providing this service. -John L
..solidly administered. -James C
A great source of information. -Ralph S
The Lists have likely saved a numbers of lives... -James F
..exceptional user service. -Larry W
Better than a magazine! -Aaron G
Thanks to your List I will be able to finish and fly
my project. Without the help of the great people on
your List I doubt it would have happened. -Ed G
I learn something on a too regular basis thanks to
these lists! -Ralph C
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Great forum! -Ronald C
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Been reading the lists since my first RV in 1999. Good
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Great system and support! -Richard P
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Another year of entertainment and pleasure! -Larry B
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Another year of great service! Once again, the
information is worth more than I can ever contribute.
Thank you also for the "community" that the List fosters.
I cannot tell you the number of times that seeing an
friend's name come up has caused so many awesome memories
to come flooding back - along with the eager desire to
gather with these great guys again. I love hearing the
beginner's enthusiasm, the builder's progress, and the
flyer's success... -Robert B
Our list has great info and I love reading the
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You provide a very valuable service to the aviation
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Thank you for making it so easy to stay in touch
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I love the list and have been a reader for a long
time. -James V
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Awesome List server. -Deke M
Many of us would never finish our airplanes without
[the List]. With it, I'm getting close! -Ronald C
An excellent source of both information and
inspiration! -William R
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Great help with my kit building. -Ralph H
Super service. -Richard N
Still loving it. -Jared S
You have a fantastic web! -Harvey R
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Glad you are there... -David A
I get some great information on your list. -John P
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as I have without it. -Stephen T
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Great resources! -Jason H
Well done. Very valuable. -Jeffrey D
Great resource for the experimental aircraft
community. -Chris H
This List has been one of the most helpful tools in
building my RV-10, since I build alone, and do not
have any help readily available. Without the List,
I could not have embarked on building my RV-10. -Jim H
You run a great list there. -James H
Really like the Kolb List. -Don W
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the List
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all? :-)
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by droping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during this period.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a brand new, quad-processor Xeon Linux
server for List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to
the email processing List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a
remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard
drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage, soon to be upgraded
to over 6 Terra Bytes! This entire system is protected by three large, commercial-grade
uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are
available even during a local power outage! Speaking of power, imagine how much
electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One month this Summer,
I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. This year I added another rack to house
the new MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the
first rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It
is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Well, its November 30th and that means three things...
1) Today I am now officially 43 years old... (arg...)
2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-)
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and
no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support
their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
to further the List operation and keep the bills paid.
I will be posting the List of Contributors next week, so make sure your name is
on it! :-)
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly
appreciated.
List Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "Glenn Graves" <comancheflyer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Why? [Please Read] |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 12:10 AM
Subject: Cessna-List: Why? [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the
opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior
experience over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell little-blue-pills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From the
comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year during November to
encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits
over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I
believe to be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from
any of these Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and
dangerous attachments stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and simple.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive
List Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The
Archives go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the
very fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a
non-issue in quickly finding the data you're looking for.
And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members who
prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List
Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via
email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum
and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of
sharing pictures and other files. Additionally added this year is the new
List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia"
of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also
building RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email
Lists and an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each
year!! Additionally, the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000
postings last year, accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's
39 MILLION) email messages delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think
there's a lot of value in supporting a service that has gone the long haul
and is still providing and improving a high quality service all _without any
advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and
Wiki sites. The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just
want to lurk a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so.
If you use, appreciate, and receive value from these Lists, then please
support them during the Annual List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "Glenn Graves" <comancheflyer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Why? [Please Read] |
I keep trying to get off your email list with no success. Please help!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-cessna-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 12:10 AM
Subject: Cessna-List: Why? [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the
opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior
experience over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell little-blue-pills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From the
comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year during November to
encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits
over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I
believe to be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from
any of these Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and
dangerous attachments stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and simple.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive
List Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The
Archives go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the
very fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a
non-issue in quickly finding the data you're looking for.
And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members who
prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List
Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via
email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum
and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of
sharing pictures and other files. Additionally added this year is the new
List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia"
of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also
building RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email
Lists and an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each
year!! Additionally, the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000
postings last year, accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's
39 MILLION) email messages delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think
there's a lot of value in supporting a service that has gone the long haul
and is still providing and improving a high quality service all _without any
advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and
Wiki sites. The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just
want to lurk a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so.
If you use, appreciate, and receive value from these Lists, then please
support them during the Annual List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser only underscores the great
sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
feel free to do so. The nice List gifts will be available on the site for
just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get your
great gift. Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Paul, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2006 List of Contributors current
as of 12/7/06! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2006.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped
via US Postal Service. Kitlog Pro serial numbers should go out via email this
weekend.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Mike Kerley <tuutuutango(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Garmin 196 from Cessna on eBay |
I just listed my pristine Garmin 196 on eBay. I used
it in my Cessna but upgraded to a 296 a couple of
months ago. My 196 is available for inspection at
Bruce Field in Central Texas (E30, San Antonio
Sectional) should anyone like a preview. Ebay auction
#260110714726. It comes with a 64 megabyte card and
the original boxes and manuals.
Thanks,
Sterling
Knot-2-Shabby Airport
5TA6, San Antonio Sectional
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| Subject: | Cracked Flap Bellcrank Support - C-177RG |
| From: | "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil> |
Situation: On annual the A&P discovered a crack in the flap bellcrank support member
in the right wing. I think only the support is cracked and the ribs adjacent
to the support are OK
I am told the support structure is between two wing ribs about 3 to 4 ft outboard
on the right wing. I have asked for pictures but haven't gotten any. Aircraft
is in CA at a shop. We are in S. NV so personally taking a look hasn't been
possible - yet.
The structure may have cracked due to excessive tension in the flap cable or as
a result of flap extension overspeed. Either of these causes raise nominal concern
over the other wing. The inspection of the other wing did not reveal a problem.
But, it is cause for worry in the future.
Initially it was thought that the support member could be repaired with a Cessna
kit that would widen the inspection hole. Now we are being told that the kit
is inadequate. Further, we are told the wing must be removed and put in a jig
to preserve the 3 (I think) twist in camber during the repair process.
The repair process will include wing skin delamination on the bottom side to get
at the problem. Rib(s) may need to be sent to Cessna for fabrication. It is
possible doubler(s) can be used in lieu of new fabrication.
Guesstimate of abut 100 hrs to fix not including wing removal and reattachment.
Anybody out there have any experience with this problem? Any good advise for us?
What questions should we be asking? ETC?
Please REPLY TOO ALL if you post an answer so my partner gets the info. I'll be
at EAA Mon - Wed next week. Cell phone 702 461-1998
Thanks,
Gail Peck
Las Vegas, NV
N2174Q
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| From: | Lim Kok Beng <limakb(at)tm.net.my> |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/23/07 |
unsubscribe, unsubscribe,unsubscribe.
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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Cessna-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/23/07
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| From: | Lim Kok Beng <limakb(at)tm.net.my> |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/23/07 |
unsubscribe, unsubscribe, unsubscribe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cessna-List Digest Server" <cessna-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Cessna-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/23/07
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> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Cessna-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
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| Subject: | Fly in a reality show! |
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| From: | Gert Froebe <gerhartfroebe(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in a reality show! |
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| Subject: | Re: Fly in a reality show! |
In a message dated 9/2/2007 10:29:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
gerhartfroebe(at)yahoo.com writes:
Last time I looked they were already full and had a waiting list of 600,000
pilots. I don't think anybody else has a chance to get on.
Gert
Gert,
Things have changed, 3 more were allowed in today because a number of pilots
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DSM
Varieze N30CG
Cont O-200
Cell 515-360-0778
Home 515-256-9020
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums! |
Dear Listers,
Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the
BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums,
you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If
you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested
spellings.
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! |
Dear Listers,
You've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or spam
from any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. These include, for example:
The Email List Postings - http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
The Email List Forum Site - http://forums.matronics.com
The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com
The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search
This is because I have always enjoyed a List experience that was completely about
the sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising!
But running a high performance, highly available service like this isn't free and
a fair amount of money in terms of computer upgrades, business-class Internet
connectivity, and electricity. Consequently, many similar sites turn to advertising
to support these costs. Advertising that you have to look at each and
every time you read an email message or browse the their web site.
Rather than subject my List community to another constant commercial bombardment,
I have chosen to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year in November to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the List services. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members that the Lists and Forums continue to be
possible!
During the month, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message every few
days and I ask for your patience and understanding during the month throughout
these regular messages. Think of them as PBS' Pledge Breaks... :-)
To minimize the impact of the Fund Raiser on the List community, I implemented
a new feature late last year specifically related to making Contributions. If
you are an Email List subscriber, once you make a Contribution using the online
web site, you will no longer receive the email from me regarding the Fund Raiser!
There are a couple of exceptions to this, however. If someone replies
to a Contribution message I've sent, you might receive that. Additionally, the
messages will always be posted to the Forums site. To a first order, however,
once you make a Contribution, you won't get my email messages about the Fund
Raiser for the rest of the month. For Contributions by check, the squelch
will take effect once the check is received.
There is a whole new line up of really great Contribution gifts this year! When
you make a qualifying Contribution, you can select one of the many free gifts
that are available during the Fund Raiser. These gifts are provided through
the generous support of a number of our industry's leading supporters including:
Bob Nuckolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
Andy Gold - Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com
Please visit these guy's respective sites, as they have some great products to
offer and are generously supporting the Matronics List Fund Raiser.
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. From the Contribution
site, you can select any one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount. The Contribution page is pretty loooonnnnng this year
in order to list great selection of great gifts available so be sure to scroll
all the way to the bottom of the web page to see everything that's available!
Please make a List Support Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous support! Your Contributions
truely keep this operation afloat!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. I've
got a bunch of really nice incentive gifts this year. There's really something
for everyone!
Please make a Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying... |
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some
really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below.
The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for
new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support
of the List members.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List
and Forums:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying ================
Flying and building is much safer with this List!!
Robert D.
Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to
all of us builders and flyers.
Wayne E.
Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising!
Peter J.
..a great resource!!
Robert C.
Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right
up to date with what's going on.
Chris D.
The web forum has been running great.
James O.
I enjoy this [List] site very much...
Paul C.
This is a great list!
Albert G.
..a valuable resource!
Roger C.
I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able
to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions
helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind!
Gregory C.
..fantastic service!
Roger M.
..clearly a work of passion!
Mike C.
It is a great service to us!
Kevin C.
The list is a wonderful resource...
Ralph O.
[The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in
building my RV-9A and now my RV-10.
Albert G.
..a valuable and always improving service.
Dick S.
STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!!
Owen B.
..such a valuable tool.
Jon M.
[The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me
as a Zenith homebuilder.
David G.
The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other
interesting builders and to make some new friends is
truly appreciated.
Albert G.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
Dear Listers,
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! Implemented for the first
time last year, the Matronics system selectively sends out the Contribution
messages to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't
you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
I wanted to implement something like this for a number of years, but it was
always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that
I just kept putting it off. Finally last year, I just decided to bite the bullet
and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam!
A working system!
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to
pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
up. I run ALL of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Please note the following regarding the selective posting system. There are certain
circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message.
These situations include if someone replies to one of the messages, or when
using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
Since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way
to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam... |
Dear Listers,
Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were
pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate
messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good
news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists
thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter.
The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday
and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit
sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog
cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering.
A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great
and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back
to "normal".
There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send
out a follow up post mortem on the event...
November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me
to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that
garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from
the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the
non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once
a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped
off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that
allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can
be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a number of
file formats including pictures and PDFs.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files (http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share ( http://wiki.matronics.com ).
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year, accounting
for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting
a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving
a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a
while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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