Commander-Archive.digest.vol-bo
May 16, 2005 - June 17, 2005
> sell
> and the price. I fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
>
> Ray Mansfield
> hcourier(at)cox.net
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied"
Hi Tylor,
Thanks for the information. I found what I needed through a guy in
Ferandina Beach, FL. Hopefully the old M4 in the Aero Commander 680 I fly
will work now. It's down for some engine work so may be a while before I
get to try it out. Moe Mills emailed me also and he had lots of stuff for
the M4. Thanks for the reply.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "tylor.hall"
>
>
> Ray,
> You may want to contact Moe Mills. He just took his M4 out of his 680FP.
> He may be willing to part with parts and the manual. Make him an offer.
>
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied"
>
> Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone
> out there have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a
> while ago. One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop,
> the guy's worked on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired
> but needed the computer. Let me know if you have one you are willing to
> sell
> and the price. I fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
>
> Ray Mansfield
> hcourier(at)cox.net
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
Hi all,
I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct replacements
for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our Commanders.
Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will never
burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the bulbs
in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter and
easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
locked.
I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to sell
them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but for
reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
again!
If you're interested, please e-mail me.
Stan
N548GQ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
Sounds great, do you know of any for the over head ceiling lights?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct replacements
> for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our Commanders.
> Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
> color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
> immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will never
> burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the bulbs
> in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter and
> easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
> bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
> locked.
>
> I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to sell
> them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
> bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but for
> reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
> distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
> again!
>
> If you're interested, please e-mail me.
>
> Stan
> N548GQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
In a message dated 5/16/2005 6:15:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
moe(at)rosspistons.com writes:
I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
regardless.
Actually, you can. I have managed to do it a couple of times when ferrying
old Commanders. The trick is that the nosewheel steering must be in good
working order and adjusted properly. If it is, no sweat.
The other side of the equation is taxing with both engines and no
steering........... on ice. The nose wheel won't center unless it has some
traction. I ferried an old 680 out of Winnipeg Canada and had to taxi in circles
until I could get the nosewheel to a little patch of bare pavement. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"
There is a picture of an older Commander in flight with one prop completely
removed, running on one engine only, demonstrating its exceptional handling
qualities. It had to taxi and negotiate a full take off run on one engine. I
am not aware of any other plane ever doing that.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 5/16/2005 6:15:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> moe(at)rosspistons.com writes:
>
> I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
> regardless.
>
>
> Actually, you can. I have managed to do it a couple of times when
ferrying
> old Commanders. The trick is that the nosewheel steering must be in good
> working order and adjusted properly. If it is, no sweat.
> The other side of the equation is taxing with both engines and no
> steering........... on ice. The nose wheel won't center unless it has
some
> traction. I ferried an old 680 out of Winnipeg Canada and had to taxi in
circles
> until I could get the nosewheel to a little patch of bare pavement. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
In a message dated 16-May-05 22:49:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
There is a picture of an older Commander in flight with one prop completely
removed, running on one engine only, demonstrating its exceptional handling
qualities. It had to taxi and negotiate a full take off run on one engine. I
am not aware of any other plane ever doing that.
Nico,
That was the prototype model with a lot less power than the production model
-- the AC-520.
Still, it was quite the stunt, aimed at getting the Pentagon's attention,
which it did.
When I flew in Alaska, one of the guys I rode with told me of "escaping" the
North Slope in a Cessna 402 with only one engine that would start. Negative
density altitude due to temperatures, a runway made of acres of frozen tundra
and he got airborne and flew to Fairbanks.
Not as elegant as rolling an early Commander down Downtown Airpark's runway
with one prop removed, is it?
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
JB,
Are you saying that you must start out in a tight circle? I have tried to
taxi N680RR out of my tie down space with negative results, however to get
out of the space you must go straight foreword for about 10 feet before
turning.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 5/16/2005 6:15:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> moe(at)rosspistons.com writes:
>
> I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
> regardless.
>
>
> Actually, you can. I have managed to do it a couple of times when
ferrying
> old Commanders. The trick is that the nosewheel steering must be in good
> working order and adjusted properly. If it is, no sweat.
> The other side of the equation is taxing with both engines and no
> steering........... on ice. The nose wheel won't center unless it has
some
> traction. I ferried an old 680 out of Winnipeg Canada and had to taxi in
circles
> until I could get the nosewheel to a little patch of bare pavement. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
In a message dated 5/17/2005 6:43:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
moe(at)rosspistons.com writes:
Are you saying that you must start out in a tight circle? I have tried to
taxi N680RR out of my tie down space with negative results, however to get
out of the space you must go straight foreword for about 10 feet before
turning.
I have done it both ways. On one occasion, in a 560F, the left engine died
when I checked the propellers to feather and would not restart. I was able
to turn into the dead engine and return to the ramp. On another event, I
simply "rocked" the airplane back and forth a bit with the brakes and once it
started to move was able to taxi straight ahead. When the engine blew on my
commander, I was able to complete a long taxi back the ramp on one, but of
course had a run at it. The nose wheel steering must be riged correctly so you
can use it without getting into any braking action. If you get brake, even a
little, it won't start moving. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod"
I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
regardless.
Well got quite a conversation going about taxiing with one engine, but
still have one of the original questions. On a stock Commander, sitting
still, can you turn the nose wheel with just nose wheel steering?
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Polito" <28bravo(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dennis Polito" <28bravo(at)comcast.net>
Stan:
I am interested in some of your bulbs, maybe 20 pcs. What is the part
number?
Best
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct replacements
> for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our Commanders.
> Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
> color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
> immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will never
> burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the bulbs
> in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter and
> easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
> bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
> locked.
>
> I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to sell
> them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
> bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but for
> reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
> distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
> again!
>
> If you're interested, please e-mail me.
>
> Stan
> N548GQ
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
Hi Dennis,
Thanks for the interest! There is only a voltage (24 V) printed on the
shell of these lamps, but they appear to be the same as the LEDtronics
UTL387-026.
I'm getting close to the end of my supply. I may have 20 left, or
possibly a few less. I'll set aside what I have.
Thanks,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Polito
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
bulbs
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dennis Polito"
<28bravo(at)comcast.net>
Stan:
I am interested in some of your bulbs, maybe 20 pcs. What is the part
number?
Best
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct
replacements
> for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our
Commanders.
> Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
> color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
> immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will
never
> burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the
bulbs
> in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter
and
> easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
> bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
> locked.
>
> I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to
sell
> them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
> bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but
for
> reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
> distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
> again!
>
> If you're interested, please e-mail me.
>
> Stan
> N548GQ
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
Hi again,
I had no idea that there would be so much interest in these LED lamps
(although they *are* pretty amazing)! Anyway, I've already had enough
people ask me to reserve some for them that I probably have very few
left.
Everyone who has already contacted me about these should confirm with me
the exact number of lamps they each want, then I can get a tally and
know how many will be left over.
If there's enough additional interest I'll try to find more.
Thanks,
Stan
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct
replacements
> for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our
Commanders.
> Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
> color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
> immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will
never
> burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the
bulbs
> in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter
and
> easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
> bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
> locked.
>
> I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to
sell
> them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
> bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but
for
> reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
> distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
> again!
>
> If you're interested, please e-mail me.
>
> Stan
> N548GQ
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
Hi yet again,
There has been a *significant* response to my offer of these LED lamps,
to the extent that all that I originally had are now spoken for. I have
located another source for them, but the guy does only bulk sales
(minimum quantity of 50 per order), so I need to find out if there are
any other members who are interested but haven't yet contacted me.
I certainly don't mind holding onto a dozen, or even two dozen spares
for the convenience of the TCFG members in the future (I would probably
bring them to the fly-in in September), but I'd rather not buy another
50 just to keep around if there's really no further interest.
Please let me know ASAP!
Thanks,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan [mailto:swperk(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
bulbs
Hi again,
I had no idea that there would be so much interest in these LED lamps
(although they *are* pretty amazing)! Anyway, I've already had enough
people ask me to reserve some for them that I probably have very few
left.
Everyone who has already contacted me about these should confirm with me
the exact number of lamps they each want, then I can get a tally and
know how many will be left over.
If there's enough additional interest I'll try to find more.
Thanks,
Stan
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct
replacements
> for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our
Commanders.
> Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
> color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
> immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will
never
> burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the
bulbs
> in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter
and
> easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
> bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
> locked.
>
> I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to
sell
> them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
> bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but
for
> reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
> distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
> again!
>
> If you're interested, please e-mail me.
>
> Stan
> N548GQ
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fly in California |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"
BTW, is the venue of the fly-in in California already known?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
>
> Hi yet again,
>
> There has been a *significant* response to my offer of these LED lamps,
> to the extent that all that I originally had are now spoken for. I have
> located another source for them, but the guy does only bulk sales
> (minimum quantity of 50 per order), so I need to find out if there are
> any other members who are interested but haven't yet contacted me.
>
> I certainly don't mind holding onto a dozen, or even two dozen spares
> for the convenience of the TCFG members in the future (I would probably
> bring them to the fly-in in September), but I'd rather not buy another
> 50 just to keep around if there's really no further interest.
>
> Please let me know ASAP!
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan [mailto:swperk(at)earthlink.net]
> To: 'commander-list(at)matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
> bulbs
>
> Hi again,
>
> I had no idea that there would be so much interest in these LED lamps
> (although they *are* pretty amazing)! Anyway, I've already had enough
> people ask me to reserve some for them that I probably have very few
> left.
>
> Everyone who has already contacted me about these should confirm with me
> the exact number of lamps they each want, then I can get a tally and
> know how many will be left over.
>
> If there's enough additional interest I'll try to find more.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct
> replacements
> > for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our
> Commanders.
> > Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
> > color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
> > immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will
> never
> > burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the
> bulbs
> > in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter
> and
> > easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
> > bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
> > locked.
> >
> > I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to
> sell
> > them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
> > bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but
> for
> > reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
> > distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
> > again!
> >
> > If you're interested, please e-mail me.
> >
> > Stan
> > N548GQ
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
Hello,
I'll be flying to Seattle on Monday for a visit to TCAC and will be back
on Saturday the 28th. If I receive your check by tomorrow (Saturday),
I'll ship out your LEDs in Monday's mail. I'll catch up with everyone
else when I get back.
Thanks,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
bulbs
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
Hi yet again,
There has been a *significant* response to my offer of these LED lamps,
to the extent that all that I originally had are now spoken for. I have
located another source for them, but the guy does only bulk sales
(minimum quantity of 50 per order), so I need to find out if there are
any other members who are interested but haven't yet contacted me.
I certainly don't mind holding onto a dozen, or even two dozen spares
for the convenience of the TCFG members in the future (I would probably
bring them to the fly-in in September), but I'd rather not buy another
50 just to keep around if there's really no further interest.
Please let me know ASAP!
Thanks,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan [mailto:swperk(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
bulbs
Hi again,
I had no idea that there would be so much interest in these LED lamps
(although they *are* pretty amazing)! Anyway, I've already had enough
people ask me to reserve some for them that I probably have very few
left.
Everyone who has already contacted me about these should confirm with me
the exact number of lamps they each want, then I can get a tally and
know how many will be left over.
If there's enough additional interest I'll try to find more.
Thanks,
Stan
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Stan"
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct
replacements
> for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our
Commanders.
> Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
> color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
> immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will
never
> burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the
bulbs
> in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter
and
> easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
> bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
> locked.
>
> I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to
sell
> them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
> bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but
for
> reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
> distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
> again!
>
> If you're interested, please e-mail me.
>
> Stan
> N548GQ
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
--> Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Hi, All
Some logistical difficulties are forcing me to sell my 500. Its a clean plane
and turn key with a well functioning Stec-50. Her 0540's[20 GPH at 12000]
have 1000 hours, run good, and the props have 30 hours since AD compliance.
Annual due 04/06. Leather interior recent and outstanding. Paint good. hydraulics
excellent. Asking 135......
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JBOBSTER(at)aol.com |
Rob
I'm a Commander wannabe....looking for a 500B buit a 500 might fill the
bill..
could you please e-mail some pics when your time permits???
Thanks!
Jim Carroll
Seattle WA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Bijou" <tom(at)bhmassociates.com> |
sorry
I do not know. When I get back to the office on monday I will try to let
you know. If it is any help it came out of a king air 200.
----- Original Message -----
From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC 500
>
> Hi, All
> Some logistical difficulties are forcing me to sell my 500. Its a clean
plane
> and turn key with a well functioning Stec-50. Her 0540's[20 GPH at 12000]
> have 1000 hours, run good, and the props have 30 hours since AD
compliance.
> Annual due 04/06. Leather interior recent and outstanding. Paint good.
hydraulics
> excellent. Asking 135......
> Rob
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
Jim,
I am the coowner with Rob and attached are pics. If don't come thru due to
size I will email off list.
Steve Gilson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JBOBSTER(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC 500
Rob
I'm a Commander wannabe....looking for a 500B buit a 500 might fill the
bill..
could you please e-mail some pics when your time permits???
Thanks!
Jim Carroll
Seattle WA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
"had to taxi in circles until I could get the nosewheel to a little patch
of bare pavement"
I assume you were taxiing IN and not out. If you were taxiing OUT, I don't
think you were listening to that "little voice" in the back of most peoples
head.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
> In a message dated 5/16/2005 6:15:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> moe(at)rosspistons.com writes:
>
> I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
> regardless.
>
>
> Actually, you can. I have managed to do it a couple of times when
> ferrying
> old Commanders. The trick is that the nosewheel steering must be in good
> working order and adjusted properly. If it is, no sweat.
> The other side of the equation is taxing with both engines and no
> steering........... on ice. The nose wheel won't center unless it has
> some
> traction. I ferried an old 680 out of Winnipeg Canada and had to taxi in
> circles
> until I could get the nosewheel to a little patch of bare pavement. jb
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
Has anyone replaced or repaired a spinner recently?
What might a new one cost? [My bird is a 500A Colemill, so I have 3
blades...]
Any experiences regarding repairs? Aviation Consumer recently listed one
outfit that does flat rate repairs:
http://www.spinner-repairs.com/welded_spinner_repair.htm
Anyone have experience with them?
ak
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
These guys fixed my magnesium sump TWICE !!!
http://www.snhaerospace.com/homepage.html
I know they can do it.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Spinners?
>
>
> Has anyone replaced or repaired a spinner recently?
>
> What might a new one cost? [My bird is a 500A Colemill, so I have 3
> blades...]
>
> Any experiences regarding repairs? Aviation Consumer recently listed one
> outfit that does flat rate repairs:
>
> http://www.spinner-repairs.com/welded_spinner_repair.htm
>
> Anyone have experience with them?
>
> ak
>
>
> --
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net |
Rob,
Please send pics and a spec sheet...
Thanks,
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> Hi, All
> Some logistical difficulties are forcing me to sell my 500. Its a clean plane
> and turn key with a well functioning Stec-50. Her 0540's[20 GPH at 12000]
> have 1000 hours, run good, and the props have 30 hours since AD compliance.
> Annual due 04/06. Leather interior recent and outstanding. Paint good.
> hydraulics
> excellent. Asking 135......
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
Rob,
Please send pics and a spec sheet...
Thanks,
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Hi, All
Some logistical difficulties are forcing me to sell my 500. Its a clean plane
and turn key with a well functioning Stec-50. Her 0540's[20 GPH at 12000]
have 1000 hours, run good, and the props have 30 hours since AD compliance.
Annual due 04/06. Leather interior recent and outstanding. Paint good.
hydraulics
excellent. Asking 135......
Rob
hotoshare, and much much more:
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 5/22/2005 7:54:04 PM Central Standard Time,
skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net writes:
>
> Rob,
> Please send pics and a spec sheet...
> Thanks,
>
Here's for now......
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: AC 500/WRONG PICTURES! |
In a message dated 5/22/2005 7:54:04 PM Central Standard Time,
skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net writes:
>
> Rob,
> Please send pics and a spec sheet...
> Thanks,
>
I SENT THE WRONG PICTURES>>>>>>>>
Sorry, its been a long day. I get the right ones.
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
I just got mine back last week from SNH in SAT. Yellowed tagged, balanced
and look great. The holes had wallowed out so had to send the back plate so
they could match the holes. When we got the prop off I found the feathering
stops had broken and had put a deep scratch and they fixed that too. It was
$295 plus shipping. Their phone is 210 655-7765. I have the 500A with two
blade props.
If you need more information let me know.
Jim Addington
N444BD
940-566-2651
jtaddington(at)charter.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan
Kucheck
Subject: Commander-List: Spinners?
Has anyone replaced or repaired a spinner recently?
What might a new one cost? [My bird is a 500A Colemill, so I have 3
blades...]
Any experiences regarding repairs? Aviation Consumer recently listed one
outfit that does flat rate repairs:
http://www.spinner-repairs.com/welded_spinner_repair.htm
Anyone have experience with them?
ak
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck(at)borland.com> |
That's two thumbs up for SNH; I think I'll go with them.
thanks guys!
ak
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Addington [mailto:jtaddington(at)charter.net]
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Spinners?
I just got mine back last week from SNH in SAT. Yellowed tagged,
balanced
and look great. The holes had wallowed out so had to send the back plate
so
they could match the holes. When we got the prop off I found the
feathering
stops had broken and had put a deep scratch and they fixed that too. It
was
$295 plus shipping. Their phone is 210 655-7765. I have the 500A with
two
blade props.
If you need more information let me know.
Jim Addington
N444BD
940-566-2651
jtaddington(at)charter.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan
Kucheck
Subject: Commander-List: Spinners?
Has anyone replaced or repaired a spinner recently?
What might a new one cost? [My bird is a 500A Colemill, so I have 3
blades...]
Any experiences regarding repairs? Aviation Consumer recently listed
one
outfit that does flat rate repairs:
http://www.spinner-repairs.com/welded_spinner_repair.htm
Anyone have experience with them?
ak
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
In a message dated 5/22/2005 3:16:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
I assume you were taxiing IN and not out. If you were taxiing OUT, I don't
think you were listening to that "little voice" in the back of most peoples
head.
I was taxing "out". That is why delivery pilots earn the "big money"!! ;-)
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
In case some did not see this I thought it interesting.
Jim A
N444BD
EPA AeroCommander Supports Anti-Terrorism Effort
When the Environmental Protection Agency began work on a project to develop
an airborne chemical detector system, it was for the purpose of monitoring
industrial accidents. But in the last few years, the EPA's Aero Commander
680 has been pressed into duty for national security, to detect chemical
hazards. The Commander carries high-tech sensors known as ASPECT, for
Airborne Spectral Photometric Environmental Collection Technology. "By
providing a capability to accurately measure and locate hazardous and toxic
chemical plumes, emergency responders near disaster plumes will be able to
make better decisions regarding civilian evacuations, resource deployments
and ensuring the safety of response crews," said Robert Kroutil, of the Los
Alamos National Laboratory. ASPECT uses two sensors. An infrared
spectrometer detects and locates chemical vapors. It can peer through smoke
and dust to locate the vapor plume and record its density. A high-resolution
infrared scanner records an image of the ground and the plume. Information
from both instruments is combined with high-resolution digital imagery and
GPS data to create a detailed map of the land surface and the location of
the chemical vapors. ASPECT can show the main plume as well as places where
gas has collected and settled, such as in low-lying areas or places where
there is little or no air movement. It takes only minutes to produce an
image. The hazard map then can be transmitted to emergency response
commanders on the ground by fax or computer. ASPECT can also drop a computer
via parachute to emergency responders if necessary. The ASPECT Commander has
been deployed to monitor events such as the 2002 Olympic Games, the crash of
the space shuttle Columbia (with its release of toxic fuel), last year's
political conventions, and this year's presidential inauguration.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Thought this was interesting also.
The FAA is seeking to gain the authority to prohibit billboards in space, to
protect the darkness of the night sky...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I'm still looking for Jimmy Rodriguez. Where are you?
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
Well if I were a "delivery pilot", oblivious to the "little voice", I'd
certainly spend all the "big money" on wild women and drink, since saving
for retirement would probably not be of any use.
Listening to the little voice, while not a requirement for pilot
certification, can contribute to the ability to collect your Social
Security(instead of your survivors).
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
> In a message dated 5/22/2005 3:16:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
>
> I assume you were taxiing IN and not out. If you were taxiing OUT, I
> don't
> think you were listening to that "little voice" in the back of most
> peoples
> head.
>
>
> I was taxing "out". That is why delivery pilots earn the "big money"!!
> ;-)
> jb
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
Buy more beer - your survivors won't get SS, unless you are in congress. But
then you won't have a little voice - just a loud one, and do other dangerous
things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
> Well if I were a "delivery pilot", oblivious to the "little voice", I'd
> certainly spend all the "big money" on wild women and drink, since saving
> for retirement would probably not be of any use.
>
> Listening to the little voice, while not a requirement for pilot
> certification, can contribute to the ability to collect your Social
> Security(instead of your survivors).
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 5/22/2005 3:16:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
> >
> > I assume you were taxiing IN and not out. If you were taxiing OUT, I
> > don't
> > think you were listening to that "little voice" in the back of most
> > peoples
> > head.
> >
> >
> > I was taxing "out". That is why delivery pilots earn the "big money"!!
> > ;-)
> > jb
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
In a message dated 5/25/2005 3:45:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
Listening to the little voice,
Roger that. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Glad I'm not flying that one for a living.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> In case some did not see this I thought it interesting.
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> EPA AeroCommander Supports Anti-Terrorism Effort
> When the Environmental Protection Agency began work on a project to
> develop
> an airborne chemical detector system, it was for the purpose of monitoring
> industrial accidents. But in the last few years, the EPA's Aero Commander
> 680 has been pressed into duty for national security, to detect chemical
> hazards. The Commander carries high-tech sensors known as ASPECT, for
> Airborne Spectral Photometric Environmental Collection Technology. "By
> providing a capability to accurately measure and locate hazardous and
> toxic
> chemical plumes, emergency responders near disaster plumes will be able to
> make better decisions regarding civilian evacuations, resource deployments
> and ensuring the safety of response crews," said Robert Kroutil, of the
> Los
> Alamos National Laboratory. ASPECT uses two sensors. An infrared
> spectrometer detects and locates chemical vapors. It can peer through
> smoke
> and dust to locate the vapor plume and record its density. A
> high-resolution
> infrared scanner records an image of the ground and the plume. Information
> from both instruments is combined with high-resolution digital imagery and
> GPS data to create a detailed map of the land surface and the location of
> the chemical vapors. ASPECT can show the main plume as well as places
> where
> gas has collected and settled, such as in low-lying areas or places where
> there is little or no air movement. It takes only minutes to produce an
> image. The hazard map then can be transmitted to emergency response
> commanders on the ground by fax or computer. ASPECT can also drop a
> computer
> via parachute to emergency responders if necessary. The ASPECT Commander
> has
> been deployed to monitor events such as the 2002 Olympic Games, the crash
> of
> the space shuttle Columbia (with its release of toxic fuel), last year's
> political conventions, and this year's presidential inauguration.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net |
Rob,
Is this the same Commander you purchased from Barron Thomas?
Thanks
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> Hi, All
> Some logistical difficulties are forcing me to sell my 500. Its a clean plane
> and turn key with a well functioning Stec-50. Her 0540's[20 GPH at 12000]
> have 1000 hours, run good, and the props have 30 hours since AD compliance.
> Annual due 04/06. Leather interior recent and outstanding. Paint good.
> hydraulics
> excellent. Asking 135......
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
Rob,
Is this the same Commander you purchased from Barron Thomas?
Thanks
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Hi, All
Some logistical difficulties are forcing me to sell my 500. Its a clean plane
and turn key with a well functioning Stec-50. Her 0540's[20 GPH at 12000]
have 1000 hours, run good, and the props have 30 hours since AD compliance.
Annual due 04/06. Leather interior recent and outstanding. Paint good.
hydraulics
excellent. Asking 135......
Rob
hotoshare, and much much more:
________________________________________________________________________________
Yes, Turned out to be rather extraordinary.....
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 5/26/2005 11:44:01 AM Central Standard Time,
skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net writes:
>
> Rob,
> Is this the same Commander you purchased from Barron Thomas?
> Thanks
Yes, turned out to be rather extraordinary
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Commander at Edwards AFB |
PALMDALE, Calif. - A small plane that repeatedly ventured close to
restricted air space at Edwards Air Force Base was intercepted by two F-15
fighter jets Thursday and escorted to a local airport. The FBI was
interviewing the pilot and a passenger, officials said.
The twin-engine Aero Commander plane was spotted flying in the high desert
north of Los Angeles for several hours during the afternoon at about 18,000
feet and could not be identified or contacted by the Federal Aviation
Administration
Saw this on the news, did notice it did not say it violated any restricted
airspace, but the news makes it sound like another bad pilot. Would be
nice to hear the 'other side' of the story.
Don
Lowell Girod
dongirod(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander at Edwards AFB |
Trust some nincompoop in the media to overstate the dangers of GA (and to
add insult to injury, they might just call the Aero Commander a Cessna.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander at Edwards AFB
>
>
> PALMDALE, Calif. - A small plane that repeatedly ventured close to
> restricted air space at Edwards Air Force Base was intercepted by two F-15
> fighter jets Thursday and escorted to a local airport. The FBI was
> interviewing the pilot and a passenger, officials said.
>
> The twin-engine Aero Commander plane was spotted flying in the high desert
> north of Los Angeles for several hours during the afternoon at about
18,000
> feet and could not be identified or contacted by the Federal Aviation
> Administration
>
> Saw this on the news, did notice it did not say it violated any restricted
> airspace, but the news makes it sound like another bad pilot. Would be
> nice to hear the 'other side' of the story.
>
> Don
>
> Lowell Girod
> dongirod(at)earthlink.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Does anyone know where in CA the fly in would be held?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos |
In a message dated 5/27/2005 2:07:34 PM Central Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> Does anyone know where in CA the fly in would be held?
No, Nico, but I just wanted you to know some of us were still out here....
Here's my plane[sniff]. Be flying the mooney for awhile, I guess.....
TWIN C
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos |
Rob, I took a peek at her on e-bay. She looks much nicer than what mine was
(winglets et al) but I couldn't help to reminisce about the time I had to
let her go to come to the US. I watch my videos of flights regularly and
look forward to the time that I would once again own and fly an AC. Time is
not right for me right now otherwise I would take her off your hands in a
heartbeat.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos
>
> In a message dated 5/27/2005 2:07:34 PM Central Standard Time,
> nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> > Does anyone know where in CA the fly in would be held?
>
> No, Nico, but I just wanted you to know some of us were still out
here....
> Here's my plane[sniff]. Be flying the mooney for awhile, I guess.....
500,
> TWIN C
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos |
I understand and my heart goes out to you....
Rob
In a message dated 5/27/2005 3:03:53 PM Central Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> Rob, I took a peek at her on e-bay. She looks much nicer than what mine was
> (winglets et al) but I couldn't help to reminisce about the time I had to
> let her go to come to the US. I watch my videos of flights regularly and
> look forward to the time that I would once again own and fly an AC. Time is
> not right for me right now otherwise I would take her off your hands in a
> heartbeat.
>
> Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Curtis Perry <cperry(at)subictel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos |
If anyone is interested in the purchase of this aircraft we have a
complete inspection report on Aero Commander 500 N6291B S/N 683 as well
as documented history of the aircraft which we paid $5,000 for in
January of 2005 (30 hours ago) which we'd provide for significantly
less.
Curt Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, AS THE OWNERS OF THIS AIRCRAFT, WE DO NOT KNOW THIS
MAN. WE DO NOT ASK FOR HIS ASSISTANCE OR INTERFERENCE IN OUR BUSINESS. WE HAVE
NO LIENS AGAINST THIS AIRCRAFT. WE BELIEVE HIS DISCONTENT TO BE WITH A DEALER.
WE HAVE ALL RECORDS AVAILABLE AT NO CHARGE. THANKS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
ROBERT MUNRO / OWNER / N6291B
In a message dated 5/28/2005 12:20:32 AM Central Standard Time,
cperry(at)subictel.com writes:
> If anyone is interested in the purchase of this aircraft we have a
> complete inspection report on Aero Commander 500 N6291B S/N 683 as well
> as documented history of the aircraft which we paid $5,000 for in
> January of 2005 (30 hours ago) which we'd provide for significantly
> less.
>
> Curt Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
This sounds like an attempt to fraudulently extort money, Bob. Is there a
way one can get this info to the feds? If he's allowed to proceed, it will
be the aviation community that suffers.
----- Original Message -----
From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
> TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, AS THE OWNERS OF THIS AIRCRAFT, WE DO NOT KNOW
THIS
> MAN. WE DO NOT ASK FOR HIS ASSISTANCE OR INTERFERENCE IN OUR BUSINESS. WE
HAVE
> NO LIENS AGAINST THIS AIRCRAFT. WE BELIEVE HIS DISCONTENT TO BE WITH A
DEALER.
> WE HAVE ALL RECORDS AVAILABLE AT NO CHARGE. THANKS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
> ROBERT MUNRO / OWNER / N6291B
>
>
> In a message dated 5/28/2005 12:20:32 AM Central Standard Time,
> cperry(at)subictel.com writes:
> > If anyone is interested in the purchase of this aircraft we have a
> > complete inspection report on Aero Commander 500 N6291B S/N 683 as well
> > as documented history of the aircraft which we paid $5,000 for in
> > January of 2005 (30 hours ago) which we'd provide for significantly
> > less.
> >
> > Curt Perry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
I agree, Nico, I don't have a clue who this guy is, or why he's involving
himself in the sale of my airplane....Thanks,
Rob
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
>
> This sounds like an attempt to fraudulently extort money, Bob. Is there a
> way one can get this info to the feds? If he's allowed to proceed, it will
> be the aviation community that suffers.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
>
> >
> >TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, AS THE OWNERS OF THIS AIRCRAFT, WE DO NOT KNOW
> THIS
> >MAN. WE DO NOT ASK FOR HIS ASSISTANCE OR INTERFERENCE IN OUR BUSINESS. WE
> HAVE
> >NO LIENS AGAINST THIS AIRCRAFT. WE BELIEVE HIS DISCONTENT TO BE WITH A
> DEALER.
> >WE HAVE ALL RECORDS AVAILABLE AT NO CHARGE. THANKS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
> >ROBERT MUNRO / OWNER / N6291B
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 5/28/2005 12:20:32 AM Central Standard Time,
> >cperry(at)subictel.com writes:
> >>If anyone is interested in the purchase of this aircraft we have a
> >>complete inspection report on Aero Commander 500 N6291B S/N 683 as well
> >>as documented history of the aircraft which we paid $5,000 for in
> >>January of 2005 (30 hours ago) which we'd provide for significantly
> >>less.
> >>
> >>Curt Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Something else, Nico. The complete history costs $6.25 from the FAA. A good
pre-buy inspection costs around $700 for a complex twin. Sounds like someone
got taken at some point. However, I looked at the logs, looked at the airplane,
bought it and flew it home. Still fly's great. Needed nothing but oil changes
and the transponder antenna connection cleaned.....would fade occasionally,
now has steady return. Rob
In a message dated 5/28/2005 11:17:23 PM Central Standard Time,
RRamm52(at)cs.com writes:
>
> I agree, Nico, I don't have a clue who this guy is, or why he's involving
> himself in the sale of my airplane....Thanks,
> Rob
>
> nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> >
> >This sounds like an attempt to fraudulently extort money, Bob. Is there a
> >way one can get this info to the feds? If he's allowed to proceed, it will
> >be the aviation community that suffers.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
> >
> >
> >>
> >>TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, AS THE OWNERS OF THIS AIRCRAFT, WE DO NOT KNOW
> >THIS
> >>MAN. WE DO NOT ASK FOR HIS ASSISTANCE OR INTERFERENCE IN OUR BUSINESS. WE
> >HAVE
> >>NO LIENS AGAINST THIS AIRCRAFT. WE BELIEVE HIS DISCONTENT TO BE WITH A
> >DEALER.
> >>WE HAVE ALL RECORDS AVAILABLE AT NO CHARGE. THANKS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
> >>ROBERT MUNRO / OWNER / N6291B
> >>
> >>
> >>In a message dated 5/28/2005 12:20:32 AM Central Standard Time,
> >>cperry(at)subictel.com writes:
> >>>If anyone is interested in the purchase of this aircraft we have a
> >>>complete inspection report on Aero Commander 500 N6291B S/N 683 as well
> >>>as documented history of the aircraft which we paid $5,000 for in
> >>>January of 2005 (30 hours ago) which we'd provide for significantly
> >>>less.
> >>>
> >>>Curt Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Curtis Perry <cperry(at)subictel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
To whom it may concern, we have no business interest with the owners of
Aero Commander 500 N6291B S/N 683 and no disagreement with anyone.
However, in January of this year we did have a complete pre-purchase
inspection done on this aircraft which we think might be of interest to
anyone interested in purchasing the aircraft. We offer it at a reduced
price as a service to members of the wing who may be interested in
purchasing the aircraft and would otherwise have to pay a significantly
higher price for a second inspection. If anyone is interested we will
detail the items covered.
Curtis Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Curtis Perry <cperry(at)subictel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Rob,
The aircraft was inspected by Kevin Coons, a long time member of the
wing and a respected buyers agent for Twin Commanders. I would hope we
were not "taken" and I believe the cost of the inspection was well
worth it.
Curt Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Curt, Glad to meet you,
If you paid for anything more than a 10 hour pre-buy, you wasted your money.
less than 10 months before, $24,000 was spent fixing every little nut and bolt
that had a hint of rust on it, as well as mostly new hydraulics....pages of
details. We replaced one nose wheel line and a couple bolts in a trim tab that
were too long. In the 50 hours I've flown it, she's not so much as hiccuped.
Auto pilot rock steady. Starts instantly, fly's perfectly, and everything works
on the next flight. And the comfort is amazing. 8 hours to Reno and not even
a sore back. My Deville isn't that comfortable. 20 GPH at 190 MPH at 12000
ft.. Good to hear from you,
Regards,
Rob
In a message dated 5/29/2005 2:08:14 AM Central Standard Time,
cperry(at)subictel.com writes:
> Rob,
>
> The aircraft was inspected by Kevin Coons, a long time member of the
> wing and a respected buyers agent for Twin Commanders. I would hope we
> were not "taken" and I believe the cost of the inspection was well
> worth it.
>
> Curt Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Curtis,
What's this $5,000 story? It sounds as if you were involved with the plane
long before this sale and now try to rip folks off for your previous
expenses. It is not the way things are done here, Dude.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
> Curt, Glad to meet you,
> If you paid for anything more than a 10 hour pre-buy, you wasted your
money.
> less than 10 months before, $24,000 was spent fixing every little nut and
bolt
> that had a hint of rust on it, as well as mostly new hydraulics....pages
of
> details. We replaced one nose wheel line and a couple bolts in a trim tab
that
> were too long. In the 50 hours I've flown it, she's not so much as
hiccuped.
> Auto pilot rock steady. Starts instantly, fly's perfectly, and everything
works
> on the next flight. And the comfort is amazing. 8 hours to Reno and not
even
> a sore back. My Deville isn't that comfortable. 20 GPH at 190 MPH at 12000
> ft.. Good to hear from you,
> Regards,
> Rob
>
> In a message dated 5/29/2005 2:08:14 AM Central Standard Time,
> cperry(at)subictel.com writes:
> > Rob,
> >
> > The aircraft was inspected by Kevin Coons, a long time member of the
> > wing and a respected buyers agent for Twin Commanders. I would hope we
> > were not "taken" and I believe the cost of the inspection was well
> > worth it.
> >
> > Curt Perry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I had one spinner repaired and had no problems.
AB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Did the $5,000.00 include an annual,,,,I hope?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
>
> Curtis,
> What's this $5,000 story? It sounds as if you were involved with the plane
> long before this sale and now try to rip folks off for your previous
> expenses. It is not the way things are done here, Dude.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
>
>>
>> Curt, Glad to meet you,
>> If you paid for anything more than a 10 hour pre-buy, you wasted your
> money.
>> less than 10 months before, $24,000 was spent fixing every little nut and
> bolt
>> that had a hint of rust on it, as well as mostly new hydraulics....pages
> of
>> details. We replaced one nose wheel line and a couple bolts in a trim tab
> that
>> were too long. In the 50 hours I've flown it, she's not so much as
> hiccuped.
>> Auto pilot rock steady. Starts instantly, fly's perfectly, and everything
> works
>> on the next flight. And the comfort is amazing. 8 hours to Reno and not
> even
>> a sore back. My Deville isn't that comfortable. 20 GPH at 190 MPH at
>> 12000
>> ft.. Good to hear from you,
>> Regards,
>> Rob
>>
>> In a message dated 5/29/2005 2:08:14 AM Central Standard Time,
>> cperry(at)subictel.com writes:
>> > Rob,
>> >
>> > The aircraft was inspected by Kevin Coons, a long time member of the
>> > wing and a respected buyers agent for Twin Commanders. I would hope we
>> > were not "taken" and I believe the cost of the inspection was well
>> > worth it.
>> >
>> > Curt Perry
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
According to the logs, Bilbo, nothing was done to her. The mechs. where we
bought her said someone looked at the books and did a compression check. We had
the oil changed, and a hydraulic hose on the nose wheel repaired before we
flew her home. Thats all I know about.
Thanks.
Rob
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
>
> Did the $5,000.00 include an annual,,,,I hope?
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
>
> >
> >
> >Curtis,
> >What's this $5,000 story? It sounds as if you were involved with the plane
> >long before this sale and now try to rip folks off for your previous
> >expenses. It is not the way things are done here, Dude.
> >Nico
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Curt, Glad to meet you,
> >>If you paid for anything more than a 10 hour pre-buy, you wasted your
> >money.
> >>less than 10 months before, $24,000 was spent fixing every little nut and
> >bolt
> >>that had a hint of rust on it, as well as mostly new hydraulics....pages
> >of
> >>details. We replaced one nose wheel line and a couple bolts in a trim tab
> >that
> >>were too long. In the 50 hours I've flown it, she's not so much as
> >hiccuped.
> >>Auto pilot rock steady. Starts instantly, fly's perfectly, and everything
> >works
> >>on the next flight. And the comfort is amazing. 8 hours to Reno and not
> >even
> >>a sore back. My Deville isn't that comfortable. 20 GPH at 190 MPH at
> >>12000
> >>ft.. Good to hear from you,
> >>Regards,
> >>Rob
> >>
> >>In a message dated 5/29/2005 2:08:14 AM Central Standard Time,
> >>cperry(at)subictel.com writes:
> >>>Rob,
> >>>
> >>>The aircraft was inspected by Kevin Coons, a long time member of the
> >>>wing and a respected buyers agent for Twin Commanders. I would hope we
> >>>were not "taken" and I believe the cost of the inspection was well
> >>>worth it.
> >>>
> >>>Curt Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Curtis Perry <cperry(at)subictel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
That right dude, sorry I offended you. How do you do thing where you
come from?
Curt perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Curtis Perry <cperry(at)subictel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
The inspection includes a complete mechanical inspection by an
independent IA familiar with the aircraft type flown in to inspect
airframe, engines, and systems. A complete review of all aircraft
repairs and modifications for correct execution. The report includes a
review by Mr. Coons of all paper work to insure all ADs and
modifications are correct and in order pursuant to an export C of A.
The report is eight pages with attached photographs in support of all
findings. And no, we did not proceed to annual which would have been
required for the export C of A.
Curt Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Oh. Guess I better stop before I make offend someone.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Perry" <cperry(at)subictel.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
> The inspection includes a complete mechanical inspection by an
> independent IA familiar with the aircraft type flown in to inspect
> airframe, engines, and systems. A complete review of all aircraft
> repairs and modifications for correct execution. The report includes a
> review by Mr. Coons of all paper work to insure all ADs and
> modifications are correct and in order pursuant to an export C of A.
> The report is eight pages with attached photographs in support of all
> findings. And no, we did not proceed to annual which would have been
> required for the export C of A.
>
> Curt Perry
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
(sorry didn't proof read)
> Oh. Guess I better stop before I offend someone.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curtis Perry" <cperry(at)subictel.com>
> To: "not processed: message from valid local sender"
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
>
>>
>> The inspection includes a complete mechanical inspection by an
>> independent IA familiar with the aircraft type flown in to inspect
>> airframe, engines, and systems. A complete review of all aircraft
>> repairs and modifications for correct execution. The report includes a
>> review by Mr. Coons of all paper work to insure all ADs and
>> modifications are correct and in order pursuant to an export C of A.
>> The report is eight pages with attached photographs in support of all
>> findings. And no, we did not proceed to annual which would have been
>> required for the export C of A.
>>
>> Curt Perry
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Curt,
This is where I am coming from: I infer nothing from any other source but
what you and others have written on the subject. I am purely holding this up
as a mirror to reflect back to you what you have written.
Rob owns the plane, has spent money on her, flown her, and can personally
testify as to her condition and the work done on her. We know that a pre-buy
shouldn't cost more than a fraction of what your fee is for outdated
services that do not rise to the level of a prudent pre-buy inspection. You,
it appears now, have never consulted with the seller, but yet you are
offering a bunch of paperwork and photographs for an outrageous sum of
money.
Your emails sound as if the service will be provided, but then you continue
to speak as if it has already been completed in January. If the former, you
must have an understanding with Mr. Coons that, after having flown "an
independent IA familiar with the aircraft type" to the plane to inspect all
sorts of systems, he will review, and certify, all paperwork to insure all
matters have been complied with. If the latter, you must already be in
possession of the report with Mr. Coons' signature on it. Either way, you
are trying to sell unsolicited services that appear to mitigate some costs
you incurred previously instead of a genuine benefit to the members. That,
Dude, is what is not done here. If you have a genuine service of benefit to
the members, we all will gladly listen and respond. This, however, won't
fly.
You didn't offend me. In my opinion your motives and business practices
appear to be questionable.
Perhaps the more relevant question should be "where are YOU coming from.."
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Perry" <cperry(at)subictel.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
> That right dude, sorry I offended you. How do you do thing where you
> come from?
>
> Curt perry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | 560A for sale in WA |
Hi everyone,
I just got back from a trip to Twin Commander Aircraft in Arlington, WA.
What a great group of people (but you already knew that)!
Just in case this isn't already general knowledge:
While I was at KAWO, I saw a pristine 560A that is for sale. It was
owned by an avionics company that went out of business recently.
Apparently, the plane was used by the company as an avionics test bed,
and has what appears to be new paint, interior, and avionics. I don't
know the condition of the engines, but I was told that this plane has
been flown regularly and recently. I can provide several interior and
exterior photos and the seller's contact information if anyone is
interested.
Regards,
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 560A for sale in WA |
Hi Stan,
Even though I cannot entertain a purchase right now, it would be nice to
have the pics since I am collecting Commander pics for my website. If you
would send them directly to my email address, I will post them and let the
list know so that everyone can enjoy them.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: 560A for sale in WA
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I just got back from a trip to Twin Commander Aircraft in Arlington, WA.
> What a great group of people (but you already knew that)!
>
> Just in case this isn't already general knowledge:
>
> While I was at KAWO, I saw a pristine 560A that is for sale. It was
> owned by an avionics company that went out of business recently.
> Apparently, the plane was used by the company as an avionics test bed,
> and has what appears to be new paint, interior, and avionics. I don't
> know the condition of the engines, but I was told that this plane has
> been flown regularly and recently. I can provide several interior and
> exterior photos and the seller's contact information if anyone is
> interested.
>
> Regards,
> Stan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Curtis Perry <cperry(at)subictel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Nico,
You seem speak for the wing on matters of ethics, prices, and
practices. I've heard nothing particular from anyone other than
yourself. Perhaps, it's a case of other's letting you do the speaking
for them.
For the sake of argument I'll assume you have a basis or authority for
your representation of how things should be done, what things should
cost and that you're experienced in the export of aircraft and clearly
understand the requirements for FAA issuance of a C of A. I'll ignore
the personal insults to myself and to the people who produced the
report and simply state again the situation so it is clearly understood
by everyone who's reading this exchange and they can be free to make
their own determination.
We have not offered any service, or requested any fees. We have not
taken any position regarding the aircraft and we have clearly stated we
have no business or other interest in the sale, or the purchase of the
aircraft and that we have no bones to pick with anyone, including
yourself. I'll assume you're in the same position.
The inspection report was purchased from a reputable person with
extensive knowledgeable in the aircraft type and the mechanical
inspection was done by an independent mechanic knowledgeable on the
aircraft type. We've stated what the report contains and when it was
accomplished. Anyone who wants the report should clearly understand it
reflects the work done as of 22 January 2005 and that some aspects of
the aircraft obviously may have changed in the intervening time period.
The price paid for any report is determined by market dictates -- as is
any price. The price of any pre-purchase inspection report (or any Due
Diligence report for that matter) normally reflects the amount of
expertise, effort and detail which go into it. However, we have not
claimed the the report was purchased at the best price available. We do
believe it is a valuable asset which honestly represents the aircraft
as it was on 22 January 2005. As it is a report we no longer have a
use for we have offered it for sale, much as we sell parts we no longer
have a use for. We have not offered the report at any specific price;
we've simply said it is available. What is paid for any item is
normally an agreement between knowledgeable buyers and sellers.
This appears to offend to you and you are free to write your opinion.
I see nothing wrong with it and believe it is an attempt to be helpful.
What I do not see as helpful under any circumstances is personal
insults and believe these should be kept off the site. If you wish to
discuss it further. although I see little you want to offer that you've
not already provided, please feel free to email me directly at
cperry(at)subictel.com.
Curt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Curtis,
I am not speaking for the list, and have nowhere inferred that I do. I went
through my responses again and found no insults in them but merely a
reflection of what you have said about yourself. Nothing more and nothing
less. If what you gave us to work with, when reflected back to you, sounded
to you like insults, imagine what a stretch it was for us to deal with,
having no knowledge of you nor your operation.
Curtis, I have no bone to pick with you or anyone else nor do I wish to
impugn anyone's integrity. Folks make a living in various ways which is
perfectly fine. It was rather odd, you must admit, that selling a couple of
reports and photographs, mentioning $5,000 as the price your paid for it,
stating that people would be flown in to inspect the plane, Mr. Coons to
review the paperwork, causing the owner to publish a disclaimer that they
have no knowledge of your involvement in the plane, did not testify
wholesomely of your operation. And you are the sole architect of that.
For instance, we now learn in this email that you bought the report from
someone else, while you led us to believe that you "did have a complete
pre-purchase inspection done". Which is it now? Do you see what I mean?
Other inconsistencies in your correspondence doesn't sound right and your
facts don't add up. Why should anyone on this list not take you on?
If you put what you wrote now next to what you wrote in your solicitation
for buyers, one would be hard-pressed to believe they were written by the
same operation for the same services.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Perry" <cperry(at)subictel.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
> Nico,
>
> You seem speak for the wing on matters of ethics, prices, and
> practices. I've heard nothing particular from anyone other than
> yourself. Perhaps, it's a case of other's letting you do the speaking
> for them.
>
> For the sake of argument I'll assume you have a basis or authority for
> your representation of how things should be done, what things should
> cost and that you're experienced in the export of aircraft and clearly
> understand the requirements for FAA issuance of a C of A. I'll ignore
> the personal insults to myself and to the people who produced the
> report and simply state again the situation so it is clearly understood
> by everyone who's reading this exchange and they can be free to make
> their own determination.
>
> We have not offered any service, or requested any fees. We have not
> taken any position regarding the aircraft and we have clearly stated we
> have no business or other interest in the sale, or the purchase of the
> aircraft and that we have no bones to pick with anyone, including
> yourself. I'll assume you're in the same position.
>
> The inspection report was purchased from a reputable person with
> extensive knowledgeable in the aircraft type and the mechanical
> inspection was done by an independent mechanic knowledgeable on the
> aircraft type. We've stated what the report contains and when it was
> accomplished. Anyone who wants the report should clearly understand it
> reflects the work done as of 22 January 2005 and that some aspects of
> the aircraft obviously may have changed in the intervening time period.
>
> The price paid for any report is determined by market dictates -- as is
> any price. The price of any pre-purchase inspection report (or any Due
> Diligence report for that matter) normally reflects the amount of
> expertise, effort and detail which go into it. However, we have not
> claimed the the report was purchased at the best price available. We do
> believe it is a valuable asset which honestly represents the aircraft
> as it was on 22 January 2005. As it is a report we no longer have a
> use for we have offered it for sale, much as we sell parts we no longer
> have a use for. We have not offered the report at any specific price;
> we've simply said it is available. What is paid for any item is
> normally an agreement between knowledgeable buyers and sellers.
>
> This appears to offend to you and you are free to write your opinion.
> I see nothing wrong with it and believe it is an attempt to be helpful.
> What I do not see as helpful under any circumstances is personal
> insults and believe these should be kept off the site. If you wish to
> discuss it further. although I see little you want to offer that you've
> not already provided, please feel free to email me directly at
> cperry(at)subictel.com.
>
> Curt
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Curtis Perry <cperry(at)subictel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Nico,
Now you are just flat not telling the truth Nico and there is nothing
worse than a liar except a coward.
> To begin with my email message of 5/28 said "If anyone is interested
> in the purchase of this aircraft we have a complete inspection report
> on Aero Commander 500 N6291B S/N 683 as well as documented history of
> the aircraft which we paid $5,000 for in January of 2005 (30 hours
> ago) which we'd provide for significantly less." Nothing more or
> less. What I said in the last message was " We have not offered any
> service, or requested any fees. We have not taken any position
> regarding the aircraft and we have clearly stated we have no business
> or other interest in the sale, or the purchase of the aircraft and
> that we have no bones to pick with anyone, including yourself. I'll
> assume you're in the same position.
The inspection report was purchased from a reputable person with
extensive knowledge in the aircraft type and the mechanical inspection
was done by an independent mechanic knowledgeable on the aircraft type.
We've stated what the report contains and when it was accomplished.
Anyone who wants the report should clearly understand it reflects the
work done as of 22 January 2005 and that some aspects of the aircraft
obviously may have changed in the intervening time period.
The price paid for any report is determined by market dictates -- as is
any price. The price of any pre-purchase inspection report (or any Due
Diligence report for that matter) normally reflects the amount of
expertise, effort and detail which go into it. However, we have not
claimed the the report was purchased at the best price available. We do
believe it is a valuable asset which honestly represents the aircraft
as it was on 22 January 2005. As it is a report we no longer have a
use for we have offered it for sale, much as we sell parts we no longer
have a use for. We have not offered the report at any specific price;
we've simply said it is available. What is paid for any item is
normally an agreement between knowledgeable buyers and sellers."
Your responses which use, among other words, extortion, fraud, rip off
and other terms are insulting as is your use of the term "dude" which
sounds like a refugee from the 60's long hair pot smoking crowd. What
are your grounds for terms like "now try to rip folks off" or "We know
that a pre-buy shouldn't cost more than a fraction of what your fee is"
if it is not to insult? If you don't presume to speak for the wing
what is your basis for saying " That, Dude, is what is not done here?"
Knock the crap off Nico, what's your interest in this?
I served America and the US Government for 15 years overseas in Asia
and have operated an FAA 145 repair station for a considerable time. I
don't look for a fight Nico, but I don't run either. I don't know what
sort of expert you are or what your motives are in this case, but if
you have the ca-hones let's make this real personal now. I've given
you my personal email address, now for further reference my phone
number is 011 6347 252 7042 and the mailing address is hanger 8324
Subic Bay International Airport SMBA -- I expect any man of substance
to respond in kind. Libel is still an offense, even in the USA and even
for a "Dude. " I'll be more than glad to have counsel contact you for
further discussion on your choice of words -- all the emails are in the
public domain and recorded and we will see who has violated which laws
and violates what ethics.
Curt Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Both of you should stop this pissing contest, you are just making matters
worse.
Cut your losses and walk away from this escalating issue.....
Curt Perry is obviously upset that he paid $5,000.00 for something he did
not follow through with and is trying any opportunity to recover some of his
losses, nothing wrong with that if his intentions are clearly stated.
Nico thought there might be something fishy with the wording of Curt's Email
and merely pointed it out, nothing wrong with that.
What does "I served America and the US Government for 15 years overseas in
Asia" have anything to do with anything here?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Perry" <cperry(at)subictel.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
> Nico,
>
> Now you are just flat not telling the truth Nico and there is nothing
> worse than a liar except a coward.
>
> > To begin with my email message of 5/28 said "If anyone is interested
> > in the purchase of this aircraft we have a complete inspection report
> > on Aero Commander 500 N6291B S/N 683 as well as documented history of
> > the aircraft which we paid $5,000 for in January of 2005 (30 hours
> > ago) which we'd provide for significantly less." Nothing more or
> > less. What I said in the last message was " We have not offered any
> > service, or requested any fees. We have not taken any position
> > regarding the aircraft and we have clearly stated we have no business
> > or other interest in the sale, or the purchase of the aircraft and
> > that we have no bones to pick with anyone, including yourself. I'll
> > assume you're in the same position.
>
> The inspection report was purchased from a reputable person with
> extensive knowledge in the aircraft type and the mechanical inspection
> was done by an independent mechanic knowledgeable on the aircraft type.
> We've stated what the report contains and when it was accomplished.
> Anyone who wants the report should clearly understand it reflects the
> work done as of 22 January 2005 and that some aspects of the aircraft
> obviously may have changed in the intervening time period.
>
> The price paid for any report is determined by market dictates -- as is
> any price. The price of any pre-purchase inspection report (or any Due
> Diligence report for that matter) normally reflects the amount of
> expertise, effort and detail which go into it. However, we have not
> claimed the the report was purchased at the best price available. We do
> believe it is a valuable asset which honestly represents the aircraft
> as it was on 22 January 2005. As it is a report we no longer have a
> use for we have offered it for sale, much as we sell parts we no longer
> have a use for. We have not offered the report at any specific price;
> we've simply said it is available. What is paid for any item is
> normally an agreement between knowledgeable buyers and sellers."
>
> Your responses which use, among other words, extortion, fraud, rip off
> and other terms are insulting as is your use of the term "dude" which
> sounds like a refugee from the 60's long hair pot smoking crowd. What
> are your grounds for terms like "now try to rip folks off" or "We know
> that a pre-buy shouldn't cost more than a fraction of what your fee is"
> if it is not to insult? If you don't presume to speak for the wing
> what is your basis for saying " That, Dude, is what is not done here?"
> Knock the crap off Nico, what's your interest in this?
>
> I served America and the US Government for 15 years overseas in Asia
> and have operated an FAA 145 repair station for a considerable time. I
> don't look for a fight Nico, but I don't run either. I don't know what
> sort of expert you are or what your motives are in this case, but if
> you have the ca-hones let's make this real personal now. I've given
> you my personal email address, now for further reference my phone
> number is 011 6347 252 7042 and the mailing address is hanger 8324
> Subic Bay International Airport SMBA -- I expect any man of substance
> to respond in kind. Libel is still an offense, even in the USA and even
> for a "Dude. " I'll be more than glad to have counsel contact you for
> further discussion on your choice of words -- all the emails are in the
> public domain and recorded and we will see who has violated which laws
> and violates what ethics.
>
> Curt Perry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Curtis,
If there was any doubt in your initial correspondence, this one removed all
doubt.
I seek no confrontation with you but if you wish to have your legal counsel
waste your money, go ahead.
As far as I am concerned, this discussion is over.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Perry" <cperry(at)subictel.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
> Nico,
>
> Now you are just flat not telling the truth Nico and there is nothing
> worse than a liar except a coward.
>
> > To begin with my email message of 5/28 said "If anyone is interested
> > in the purchase of this aircraft we have a complete inspection report
> > on Aero Commander 500 N6291B S/N 683 as well as documented history of
> > the aircraft which we paid $5,000 for in January of 2005 (30 hours
> > ago) which we'd provide for significantly less." Nothing more or
> > less. What I said in the last message was " We have not offered any
> > service, or requested any fees. We have not taken any position
> > regarding the aircraft and we have clearly stated we have no business
> > or other interest in the sale, or the purchase of the aircraft and
> > that we have no bones to pick with anyone, including yourself. I'll
> > assume you're in the same position.
>
> The inspection report was purchased from a reputable person with
> extensive knowledge in the aircraft type and the mechanical inspection
> was done by an independent mechanic knowledgeable on the aircraft type.
> We've stated what the report contains and when it was accomplished.
> Anyone who wants the report should clearly understand it reflects the
> work done as of 22 January 2005 and that some aspects of the aircraft
> obviously may have changed in the intervening time period.
>
> The price paid for any report is determined by market dictates -- as is
> any price. The price of any pre-purchase inspection report (or any Due
> Diligence report for that matter) normally reflects the amount of
> expertise, effort and detail which go into it. However, we have not
> claimed the the report was purchased at the best price available. We do
> believe it is a valuable asset which honestly represents the aircraft
> as it was on 22 January 2005. As it is a report we no longer have a
> use for we have offered it for sale, much as we sell parts we no longer
> have a use for. We have not offered the report at any specific price;
> we've simply said it is available. What is paid for any item is
> normally an agreement between knowledgeable buyers and sellers."
>
> Your responses which use, among other words, extortion, fraud, rip off
> and other terms are insulting as is your use of the term "dude" which
> sounds like a refugee from the 60's long hair pot smoking crowd. What
> are your grounds for terms like "now try to rip folks off" or "We know
> that a pre-buy shouldn't cost more than a fraction of what your fee is"
> if it is not to insult? If you don't presume to speak for the wing
> what is your basis for saying " That, Dude, is what is not done here?"
> Knock the crap off Nico, what's your interest in this?
>
> I served America and the US Government for 15 years overseas in Asia
> and have operated an FAA 145 repair station for a considerable time. I
> don't look for a fight Nico, but I don't run either. I don't know what
> sort of expert you are or what your motives are in this case, but if
> you have the ca-hones let's make this real personal now. I've given
> you my personal email address, now for further reference my phone
> number is 011 6347 252 7042 and the mailing address is hanger 8324
> Subic Bay International Airport SMBA -- I expect any man of substance
> to respond in kind. Libel is still an offense, even in the USA and even
> for a "Dude. " I'll be more than glad to have counsel contact you for
> further discussion on your choice of words -- all the emails are in the
> public domain and recorded and we will see who has violated which laws
> and violates what ethics.
>
> Curt Perry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: /AC500 OWNERS COMMENTS/WHAT REALLY HAPPENED |
This is an Email I got from Kevin Coons on 05-21. He and Curtis are bitter
because they screwed up. Period. The airplane is real nice.
Rob
In a message dated 5/21/2005 1:48:13 PM Central Standard Time,
kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net writes:
>
> Rob,
>
>
> You guys just bought that 500 in January. I am really curious as to why you
> are selling it so soon.
>
>
> I looked at that plane 4 days before you purchased it and Barron Thomas
> being the low life that he is sold it even though I had a $7,000 deposit on the
> airplane. My ill will is not directed towards you, it is directed towards
> Barron.
>
>
> I just find it weird that you are selling it after you flew all over the
> country looking for the perfect airplane and everything that you have written
on
> the website indicates that you are very pleased with her.
>
>
> BTW, I have a CD from the FAA that has the complete history of your
> airplane. Even the 100 pounds or Mary Jane that some guys got busted with=20in
the 1980=E2=80=99
> s. If you give me your mailing address I=E2=80=99ll forward it to you so you
can
> pass along to the new owner.
>
>
> Kevin Coons
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS |
Wow! "It" hasn't hit the fan like this since the great "Sump" discussion of
'01.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
>
> Both of you should stop this pissing contest, you are just making matters
> worse.
> Cut your losses and walk away from this escalating issue.....
>
> Curt Perry is obviously upset that he paid $5,000.00 for something he did
> not follow through with and is trying any opportunity to recover some of
> his
> losses, nothing wrong with that if his intentions are clearly stated.
>
> Nico thought there might be something fishy with the wording of Curt's
> Email
> and merely pointed it out, nothing wrong with that.
>
> What does "I served America and the US Government for 15 years overseas in
> Asia" have anything to do with anything here?
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curtis Perry" <cperry(at)subictel.com>
> To: "not processed: message from valid local sender"
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly in/AC500 link/photos/OWNERS COMMENTS
>
>
>>
>> Nico,
>>
>> Now you are just flat not telling the truth Nico and there is nothing
>> worse than a liar except a coward.
>>
>> > To begin with my email message of 5/28 said "If anyone is interested
>> > in the purchase of this aircraft we have a complete inspection report
>> > on Aero Commander 500 N6291B S/N 683 as well as documented history of
>> > the aircraft which we paid $5,000 for in January of 2005 (30 hours
>> > ago) which we'd provide for significantly less." Nothing more or
>> > less. What I said in the last message was " We have not offered any
>> > service, or requested any fees. We have not taken any position
>> > regarding the aircraft and we have clearly stated we have no business
>> > or other interest in the sale, or the purchase of the aircraft and
>> > that we have no bones to pick with anyone, including yourself. I'll
>> > assume you're in the same position.
>>
>> The inspection report was purchased from a reputable person with
>> extensive knowledge in the aircraft type and the mechanical inspection
>> was done by an independent mechanic knowledgeable on the aircraft type.
>> We've stated what the report contains and when it was accomplished.
>> Anyone who wants the report should clearly understand it reflects the
>> work done as of 22 January 2005 and that some aspects of the aircraft
>> obviously may have changed in the intervening time period.
>>
>> The price paid for any report is determined by market dictates -- as is
>> any price. The price of any pre-purchase inspection report (or any Due
>> Diligence report for that matter) normally reflects the amount of
>> expertise, effort and detail which go into it. However, we have not
>> claimed the the report was purchased at the best price available. We do
>> believe it is a valuable asset which honestly represents the aircraft
>> as it was on 22 January 2005. As it is a report we no longer have a
>> use for we have offered it for sale, much as we sell parts we no longer
>> have a use for. We have not offered the report at any specific price;
>> we've simply said it is available. What is paid for any item is
>> normally an agreement between knowledgeable buyers and sellers."
>>
>> Your responses which use, among other words, extortion, fraud, rip off
>> and other terms are insulting as is your use of the term "dude" which
>> sounds like a refugee from the 60's long hair pot smoking crowd. What
>> are your grounds for terms like "now try to rip folks off" or "We know
>> that a pre-buy shouldn't cost more than a fraction of what your fee is"
>> if it is not to insult? If you don't presume to speak for the wing
>> what is your basis for saying " That, Dude, is what is not done here?"
>> Knock the crap off Nico, what's your interest in this?
>>
>> I served America and the US Government for 15 years overseas in Asia
>> and have operated an FAA 145 repair station for a considerable time. I
>> don't look for a fight Nico, but I don't run either. I don't know what
>> sort of expert you are or what your motives are in this case, but if
>> you have the ca-hones let's make this real personal now. I've given
>> you my personal email address, now for further reference my phone
>> number is 011 6347 252 7042 and the mailing address is hanger 8324
>> Subic Bay International Airport SMBA -- I expect any man of substance
>> to respond in kind. Libel is still an offense, even in the USA and even
>> for a "Dude. " I'll be more than glad to have counsel contact you for
>> further discussion on your choice of words -- all the emails are in the
>> public domain and recorded and we will see who has violated which laws
>> and violates what ethics.
>>
>> Curt Perry
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
Bill Bow wrote:
> Wow! "It" hasn't hit the fan like this since the great "Sump" discussion of
> '01.
Yup...and for the life of me, I'm still pretty baffled by the noise.
Interesting info about B-T though. I'd heard negative comments before
but always 3rd hand.
I wonder how many subscribers there are to the commander list these
days. Prior to the changeover to matronics, we had 182 subscribers.
Some days I get all nostalgic and want to work on a moderated list again
and renovate the web site with some new activity..... then I remember
what a pain it was and get on with my day :-)
Maybe it's time to create a PA23 type club - there doesn't seem to be
one in existance amazingly.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Hey, I've got a PA23 and a 500 Shrike, may we could combine the web site
to accommodate both.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Subject: Commander-List: Re: "THE fan"
Bill Bow wrote:
> Wow! "It" hasn't hit the fan like this since the great "Sump"
discussion of
> '01.
Yup...and for the life of me, I'm still pretty baffled by the noise.
Interesting info about B-T though. I'd heard negative comments before
but always 3rd hand.
I wonder how many subscribers there are to the commander list these
days. Prior to the changeover to matronics, we had 182 subscribers.
Some days I get all nostalgic and want to work on a moderated list again
and renovate the web site with some new activity..... then I remember
what a pain it was and get on with my day :-)
Maybe it's time to create a PA23 type club - there doesn't seem to be
one in existance amazingly.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Chris,
When we made up the list last month of members who wanted to be included on
the spread sheet giving brief, basic info. there were 58 responders.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: "THE fan"
>
>
> Bill Bow wrote:
> > Wow! "It" hasn't hit the fan like this since the great "Sump"
discussion of
> > '01.
>
> Yup...and for the life of me, I'm still pretty baffled by the noise.
> Interesting info about B-T though. I'd heard negative comments before
> but always 3rd hand.
>
> I wonder how many subscribers there are to the commander list these
> days. Prior to the changeover to matronics, we had 182 subscribers.
> Some days I get all nostalgic and want to work on a moderated list again
> and renovate the web site with some new activity..... then I remember
> what a pain it was and get on with my day :-)
> Maybe it's time to create a PA23 type club - there doesn't seem to be
> one in existance amazingly.
>
> chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 5/31/2005 8:44:30 AM Central Standard Time,
moe(at)rosspistons.com writes:
> Chris,
>
> When we made up the list last month of members who wanted to be included on
> the spread sheet giving brief, basic info. there were 58 responders.
>
> Moe
Hi, Moe
Steve and I hope to have another twin commander ASAP. As you all know, once
you've flown the best, ya can't go back.....Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> Hey, I've got a PA23 and a 500 Shrike, may we could combine the web site
> to accommodate both.
That would be interesting, but I'm no longer in control of the Commander
web site. I "loaned it" to Jim a couple years ago. He, Chris, and Dan
have been maintaining it since.
I don't currently have a good host to put a web site on or I'd probably
have done it by now.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 5/31/2005 3:49:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
That would be interesting, but I'm no longer in control of the Commander
web site. I "loaned it" to Jim a couple years ago. He, Chris, and Dan
have been maintaining it since.
I don't currently have a good host to put a web site on or I'd probably
have done it by now.
HI CHRIS and all.....
Well, The negative comments of late regarding the state of the web-site have
not fallen on deaf ears. The concerns are legitimate. I have simply been
to busy to devote the time required to truly lead the Flight Group. While
"officially" retired, I operate a small maintenance facility at our local airport
and have done 5 annual inspections in the last 8 weeks. I also deliver
airplanes and have been very busy. I just returned from a 2100 km (Toronto CN
to
Visila CA) trip delivering a new "Bush Hawk" on amphibious floats.
That is only part of the story. Leading this group has proved to be more
difficult than herding frogs. When I purchased the group, (yes, I paid
$2000.00 for the mailing list after the group had gone completely dormant) I had
intended it to make a modest profit that would have allowed for the growth of
the organization. I had hoped (and worked diligently) in the beginning to grow
the group to a size that would have allowed for a "real" newsletter,
web-site and other services. That was not to be. Despite spending hundreds of
dollars and countless hours sending requests to join to virtually every Commander
owner, still almost little or no growth. This was echoed recently when John
Towner, the host of the 2004 fly-in in KC sent an invitation to attend the
event to EVERY registered Commander owner in the US. The attendance at the
event was only slightly above average (it was a GREAT event, thanks John!!).
Even now, most of the people currently on this chat list are not members of
the TCFG? Why? Some have inquired about joining, but few actually sent
money. I have asked several of those who I consider "true believers" what the
problem might be. Dues too high? Not enough information? No one seems to
know. I am close friends with the President of the Navion group. Of about 1000
airplanes flying, nearly 600 are members!! Imagine what our group would
look like with 500 members!! Wow!!
Over the years I have worked hard to maintain a quality group, but I cannot
do it alone. While everyone, including me, wants fresh and new material on
the web-site, who has offered to help? I have literally begged for articles
for the newsletter, who has sent any? (Barry Collman sure has, Thanks Barry)?
The "G" in TCFG stands for Group. I can't be a group of one.
There is another issue. While I may not be the highest time Commander pilot
on the list ( only 12,500TT, 1400 hrs in Commanders, flown all but 4 piston
models, including a 720) or the smartest Commander mechanic (only an A&P-IA 31
years) or owned the most Commanders (only 3), but I do have a LITTLE bit of
experience with these machines. I have grown weary of having the information
I share, some of it very important, being challenged by those with little
(or no) Commander experience. No sour grapes here, just frustration that
instead of listening and learning, everyone seems to be a "Commander Guru" when
they make their first solo flight in a Commander. Hence, I rarely post on the
chat list anymore (if you cant say anything nice......), although I still
read every post. (OK, sorry for whining:-)
I have concluded that Commanders are truly a unique airplane, surpassed only
by the uniqueness of their owners. Commander owners are simply, by and
large, not "clubby" people. They are individualists and don't run with a pack.
Nothing wrong with that!! But it makes an endeavor like this nearly
impossible. The future of the group is unclear. I am asking all of you what
you
want the TCFG to look like? Should it be a non-profit volunteer organization?
Run by a board of directors?? Is someone out there willing to buy it from
me and run it?? I am truly open to your suggestions. I have no hard
feelings and have no intention of closing the group, never! The work done behind
the scenes is to important. Every day I take calls and answer important
questions from owners, prospective owners, mechanics working on their first
Commander and even an occasional member. I will, until I am relieved, always
be
here to act as a liaison with the factory and the FAA. I have a good
relationship with both and have learned to really appreciate the importance of
having a
strong company like TCAC looking after our fleet. I will continue to plan
for this year's fly-in and hope it will be a great successes.
So, if you have any ideas for the future of our group (the handful of you on
this list who are actually members, or those who would join if there were
changes made), let's talk. I want this group to grow and become a vital
organization. Innuendos about "the good old days" won't be of any help. Be part
of the solution.
Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
PS There really is a newsletter on the way very soon, thanks for your
patience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
JM, WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT! THE GAUNTLET HAS BEEN THROWN DOWN. GOOD FOR YOU
JIM. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS ANY THING I CAN DO TO HELP. YOU HAVE BEEN
A GREAT HELP TO ME PERSONALLY AND DO THE COMMANDER WORLD A TREMENDOUS SERVICE.
THANK YOU! MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com<mailto:YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: "THE fan"
In a message dated 5/31/2005 3:49:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
That would be interesting, but I'm no longer in control of the Commander
web site. I "loaned it" to Jim a couple years ago. He, Chris, and Dan
have been maintaining it since.
I don't currently have a good host to put a web site on or I'd probably
have done it by now.
HI CHRIS and all.....
Well, The negative comments of late regarding the state of the web-site have
not fallen on deaf ears. The concerns are legitimate. I have simply been
to busy to devote the time required to truly lead the Flight Group. While
"officially" retired, I operate a small maintenance facility at our local airport
and have done 5 annual inspections in the last 8 weeks. I also deliver
airplanes and have been very busy. I just returned from a 2100 km (Toronto
CN to
Visila CA) trip delivering a new "Bush Hawk" on amphibious floats.
That is only part of the story. Leading this group has proved to be more
difficult than herding frogs. When I purchased the group, (yes, I paid
$2000.00 for the mailing list after the group had gone completely dormant) I
had
intended it to make a modest profit that would have allowed for the growth of
the organization. I had hoped (and worked diligently) in the beginning to grow
the group to a size that would have allowed for a "real" newsletter,
web-site and other services. That was not to be. Despite spending hundreds
of
dollars and countless hours sending requests to join to virtually every Commander
owner, still almost little or no growth. This was echoed recently when John
Towner, the host of the 2004 fly-in in KC sent an invitation to attend the
event to EVERY registered Commander owner in the US. The attendance at the
event was only slightly above average (it was a GREAT event, thanks John!!).
Even now, most of the people currently on this chat list are not members of
the TCFG? Why? Some have inquired about joining, but few actually sent
money. I have asked several of those who I consider "true believers" what the
problem might be. Dues too high? Not enough information? No one seems to
know. I am close friends with the President of the Navion group. Of about
1000
airplanes flying, nearly 600 are members!! Imagine what our group would
look like with 500 members!! Wow!!
Over the years I have worked hard to maintain a quality group, but I cannot
do it alone. While everyone, including me, wants fresh and new material on
the web-site, who has offered to help? I have literally begged for articles
for the newsletter, who has sent any? (Barry Collman sure has, Thanks Barry)?
The "G" in TCFG stands for Group. I can't be a group of one.
There is another issue. While I may not be the highest time Commander pilot
on the list ( only 12,500TT, 1400 hrs in Commanders, flown all but 4 piston
models, including a 720) or the smartest Commander mechanic (only an A&P-IA
31
years) or owned the most Commanders (only 3), but I do have a LITTLE bit of
experience with these machines. I have grown weary of having the information
I share, some of it very important, being challenged by those with little
(or no) Commander experience. No sour grapes here, just frustration that
instead of listening and learning, everyone seems to be a "Commander Guru" when
they make their first solo flight in a Commander. Hence, I rarely post on the
chat list anymore (if you cant say anything nice......), although I still
read every post. (OK, sorry for whining:-)
I have concluded that Commanders are truly a unique airplane, surpassed only
by the uniqueness of their owners. Commander owners are simply, by and
large, not "clubby" people. They are individualists and don't run with a pack.
Nothing wrong with that!! But it makes an endeavor like this nearly
impossible. The future of the group is unclear. I am asking all of you what
you
want the TCFG to look like? Should it be a non-profit volunteer organization?
Run by a board of directors?? Is someone out there willing to buy it from
me and run it?? I am truly open to your suggestions. I have no hard
feelings and have no intention of closing the group, never! The work done behind
the scenes is to important. Every day I take calls and answer important
questions from owners, prospective owners, mechanics working on their first
Commander and even an occasional member. I will, until I am relieved, always
be
here to act as a liaison with the factory and the FAA. I have a good
relationship with both and have learned to really appreciate the importance
of having a
strong company like TCAC looking after our fleet. I will continue to plan
for this year's fly-in and hope it will be a great successes.
So, if you have any ideas for the future of our group (the handful of you on
this list who are actually members, or those who would join if there were
changes made), let's talk. I want this group to grow and become a vital
organization. Innuendos about "the good old days" won't be of any help. Be
part
of the solution.
Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
PS There really is a newsletter on the way very soon, thanks for your
patience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | state of the union address |
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> HI CHRIS and all.....
>
> Well, The negative comments of late regarding the state of the web-site have
> not fallen on deaf ears.
Jim,
That was an excellent posting and I, for one, was very pleased to see it!
I can certainly understand your frustration. Remember that I did the
web site and chatlist thing for about eight years and also spent
hundreds of hours a year answering phone calls and emails. It's great
to be able to help people, but it IS time consuming and expensive. It
was always nice to get a compliment, but the negatives sure offset them
as well. I think you may have a good point about Commander owners being
"individualists", but I also believe there are many other reasons that
the membership isn't as active. Lets face it - money is pretty darn
tight for a lot of us and dollars are only spent when absolutely
required. I can't honestly see how any type group (unless they're
producing parts) can be profitable. You know how much effort goes into
the news letter, and I can confirm that it takes about half-a-dozen late
nights a month to keep a web site "fresh". Aviation is a hobby for most
GA owners/pilots. I suspect a type group must fall under the same
catagory to thrive. Some of the most active groups I'm aware of are
almost completely social. The Bellanca group members get together very
regulary at events hosted by the members. They have a lot of technical
information on their web site and chat list which limits costs for
membership, but all events are hosted by members and are free. Seems to
be working well for them, but as you pointed out, the Commander crowd is
different.
I do wish you the best of luck in keeping this train rolling, but I do
reserve the right to reminise about the most positive aspects of the
group and the acquaintences I've made along the way. (that's a positive
thing ya know!)
Chris Schuermann
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Well I'll throw a bone, I did not contribute this year as I have in the past
as I was trying to impress the banks how much money I had so they would give
me more to buy a plane which as everyone knows is an insane idea.
Now I have the plane I can part with what should have been my contribution
last winter.
Here come the excuses, please keep in mind that this aircraft came with one
hydraulic Skydrol pump that had not worked for years, (I can't believe this
commercial aircraft was flying revenue with one pump U/S), it has taken a
month to get seals for the overhaul. The interior was non existent and
needed immediate replacement, there is no air vents in the cabin for the
passengers, the heater (when delivered) consisted of a plastic dryer hose
snaking forward from the baggage compartment. All the windows (except the
new windshields) are crazed to the point of required replacement. All of
the above will have to reduce what I would like to give to the group.
Tom F.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: "THE fan"
>
>
> In a message dated 5/31/2005 3:49:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
>
> That would be interesting, but I'm no longer in control of the Commander
> web site. I "loaned it" to Jim a couple years ago. He, Chris, and Dan
> have been maintaining it since.
> I don't currently have a good host to put a web site on or I'd probably
> have done it by now.
>
>
> HI CHRIS and all.....
>
> Well, The negative comments of late regarding the state of the web-site
have
> not fallen on deaf ears. The concerns are legitimate. I have simply
been
> to busy to devote the time required to truly lead the Flight Group. While
> "officially" retired, I operate a small maintenance facility at our local
airport
> and have done 5 annual inspections in the last 8 weeks. I also deliver
> airplanes and have been very busy. I just returned from a 2100 km
(Toronto CN to
> Visila CA) trip delivering a new "Bush Hawk" on amphibious floats.
>
> That is only part of the story. Leading this group has proved to be more
> difficult than herding frogs. When I purchased the group, (yes, I paid
> $2000.00 for the mailing list after the group had gone completely
dormant) I had
> intended it to make a modest profit that would have allowed for the
growth of
> the organization. I had hoped (and worked diligently) in the beginning
to grow
> the group to a size that would have allowed for a "real" newsletter,
> web-site and other services. That was not to be. Despite spending
hundreds of
> dollars and countless hours sending requests to join to virtually every
Commander
> owner, still almost little or no growth. This was echoed recently when
John
> Towner, the host of the 2004 fly-in in KC sent an invitation to attend
the
> event to EVERY registered Commander owner in the US. The attendance at
the
> event was only slightly above average (it was a GREAT event, thanks
John!!).
>
> Even now, most of the people currently on this chat list are not members
of
> the TCFG? Why? Some have inquired about joining, but few actually sent
> money. I have asked several of those who I consider "true believers"
what the
> problem might be. Dues too high? Not enough information? No one seems
to
> know. I am close friends with the President of the Navion group. Of
about 1000
> airplanes flying, nearly 600 are members!! Imagine what our group would
> look like with 500 members!! Wow!!
>
> Over the years I have worked hard to maintain a quality group, but I
cannot
> do it alone. While everyone, including me, wants fresh and new material
on
> the web-site, who has offered to help? I have literally begged for
articles
> for the newsletter, who has sent any? (Barry Collman sure has, Thanks
Barry)?
> The "G" in TCFG stands for Group. I can't be a group of one.
>
> There is another issue. While I may not be the highest time Commander
pilot
> on the list ( only 12,500TT, 1400 hrs in Commanders, flown all but 4
piston
> models, including a 720) or the smartest Commander mechanic (only an
A&P-IA 31
> years) or owned the most Commanders (only 3), but I do have a LITTLE bit
of
> experience with these machines. I have grown weary of having the
information
> I share, some of it very important, being challenged by those with little
> (or no) Commander experience. No sour grapes here, just frustration that
> instead of listening and learning, everyone seems to be a "Commander
Guru" when
> they make their first solo flight in a Commander. Hence, I rarely post
on the
> chat list anymore (if you cant say anything nice......), although I still
> read every post. (OK, sorry for whining:-)
>
> I have concluded that Commanders are truly a unique airplane, surpassed
only
> by the uniqueness of their owners. Commander owners are simply, by and
> large, not "clubby" people. They are individualists and don't run with a
pack.
> Nothing wrong with that!! But it makes an endeavor like this nearly
> impossible. The future of the group is unclear. I am asking all of you
what you
> want the TCFG to look like? Should it be a non-profit volunteer
organization?
> Run by a board of directors?? Is someone out there willing to buy it
from
> me and run it?? I am truly open to your suggestions. I have no hard
> feelings and have no intention of closing the group, never! The work
done behind
> the scenes is to important. Every day I take calls and answer important
> questions from owners, prospective owners, mechanics working on their
first
> Commander and even an occasional member. I will, until I am relieved,
always be
> here to act as a liaison with the factory and the FAA. I have a good
> relationship with both and have learned to really appreciate the
importance of having a
> strong company like TCAC looking after our fleet. I will continue to
plan
> for this year's fly-in and hope it will be a great successes.
>
> So, if you have any ideas for the future of our group (the handful of you
on
> this list who are actually members, or those who would join if there were
> changes made), let's talk. I want this group to grow and become a vital
> organization. Innuendos about "the good old days" won't be of any help.
Be part
> of the solution.
>
> Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
>
> PS There really is a newsletter on the way very soon, thanks for your
> patience.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I am looking for the little feet that go on the bottom of the legs for the
seats, I need eight of them.
I am not sure how many types there are of these feet that allow you to drop
the seat in the tracks and slide to the next lock position.
Tom F.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: "THE fan"
>
>
> In a message dated 5/31/2005 3:49:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
>
> That would be interesting, but I'm no longer in control of the Commander
> web site. I "loaned it" to Jim a couple years ago. He, Chris, and Dan
> have been maintaining it since.
> I don't currently have a good host to put a web site on or I'd probably
> have done it by now.
>
>
> HI CHRIS and all.....
>
> Well, The negative comments of late regarding the state of the web-site
have
> not fallen on deaf ears. The concerns are legitimate. I have simply
been
> to busy to devote the time required to truly lead the Flight Group. While
> "officially" retired, I operate a small maintenance facility at our local
airport
> and have done 5 annual inspections in the last 8 weeks. I also deliver
> airplanes and have been very busy. I just returned from a 2100 km
(Toronto CN to
> Visila CA) trip delivering a new "Bush Hawk" on amphibious floats.
>
> That is only part of the story. Leading this group has proved to be more
> difficult than herding frogs. When I purchased the group, (yes, I paid
> $2000.00 for the mailing list after the group had gone completely
dormant) I had
> intended it to make a modest profit that would have allowed for the
growth of
> the organization. I had hoped (and worked diligently) in the beginning
to grow
> the group to a size that would have allowed for a "real" newsletter,
> web-site and other services. That was not to be. Despite spending
hundreds of
> dollars and countless hours sending requests to join to virtually every
Commander
> owner, still almost little or no growth. This was echoed recently when
John
> Towner, the host of the 2004 fly-in in KC sent an invitation to attend
the
> event to EVERY registered Commander owner in the US. The attendance at
the
> event was only slightly above average (it was a GREAT event, thanks
John!!).
>
> Even now, most of the people currently on this chat list are not members
of
> the TCFG? Why? Some have inquired about joining, but few actually sent
> money. I have asked several of those who I consider "true believers"
what the
> problem might be. Dues too high? Not enough information? No one seems
to
> know. I am close friends with the President of the Navion group. Of
about 1000
> airplanes flying, nearly 600 are members!! Imagine what our group would
> look like with 500 members!! Wow!!
>
> Over the years I have worked hard to maintain a quality group, but I
cannot
> do it alone. While everyone, including me, wants fresh and new material
on
> the web-site, who has offered to help? I have literally begged for
articles
> for the newsletter, who has sent any? (Barry Collman sure has, Thanks
Barry)?
> The "G" in TCFG stands for Group. I can't be a group of one.
>
> There is another issue. While I may not be the highest time Commander
pilot
> on the list ( only 12,500TT, 1400 hrs in Commanders, flown all but 4
piston
> models, including a 720) or the smartest Commander mechanic (only an
A&P-IA 31
> years) or owned the most Commanders (only 3), but I do have a LITTLE bit
of
> experience with these machines. I have grown weary of having the
information
> I share, some of it very important, being challenged by those with little
> (or no) Commander experience. No sour grapes here, just frustration that
> instead of listening and learning, everyone seems to be a "Commander
Guru" when
> they make their first solo flight in a Commander. Hence, I rarely post
on the
> chat list anymore (if you cant say anything nice......), although I still
> read every post. (OK, sorry for whining:-)
>
> I have concluded that Commanders are truly a unique airplane, surpassed
only
> by the uniqueness of their owners. Commander owners are simply, by and
> large, not "clubby" people. They are individualists and don't run with a
pack.
> Nothing wrong with that!! But it makes an endeavor like this nearly
> impossible. The future of the group is unclear. I am asking all of you
what you
> want the TCFG to look like? Should it be a non-profit volunteer
organization?
> Run by a board of directors?? Is someone out there willing to buy it
from
> me and run it?? I am truly open to your suggestions. I have no hard
> feelings and have no intention of closing the group, never! The work
done behind
> the scenes is to important. Every day I take calls and answer important
> questions from owners, prospective owners, mechanics working on their
first
> Commander and even an occasional member. I will, until I am relieved,
always be
> here to act as a liaison with the factory and the FAA. I have a good
> relationship with both and have learned to really appreciate the
importance of having a
> strong company like TCAC looking after our fleet. I will continue to
plan
> for this year's fly-in and hope it will be a great successes.
>
> So, if you have any ideas for the future of our group (the handful of you
on
> this list who are actually members, or those who would join if there were
> changes made), let's talk. I want this group to grow and become a vital
> organization. Innuendos about "the good old days" won't be of any help.
Be part
> of the solution.
>
> Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
>
> PS There really is a newsletter on the way very soon, thanks for your
> patience.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: state of the union address |
Jim
I agree with Chris, it is an excellent posting. Chris is right, dollars have
been a substantial reason for many of us to cut back on expenses that do not
contribute to keeping life and limb together. It is also cheaper to run a
Rocket homebuilt, or a Navion, for that matter, than an Aero Commander.
Those of us who own an Aero Commander really either have enough love and
cash to make that happen, or have only enough love to prevent that from not
happening.
If I can be of help, being in the IT business, let me know. If everyone
could contribute something, we may end up with a workable solution. It
should not fall on one person only. Perhaps if everyone submits a skills
list of what they are willing to contribute in terms of time and resources,
someone could cherry-pick a cascade of skills from among the members that
could keep the group functioning.
Just a thought.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: state of the union address
>
>
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> > HI CHRIS and all.....
> >
> > Well, The negative comments of late regarding the state of the web-site
have
> > not fallen on deaf ears.
>
> Jim,
> That was an excellent posting and I, for one, was very pleased to see it!
> I can certainly understand your frustration. Remember that I did the
> web site and chatlist thing for about eight years and also spent
> hundreds of hours a year answering phone calls and emails. It's great
> to be able to help people, but it IS time consuming and expensive. It
> was always nice to get a compliment, but the negatives sure offset them
> as well. I think you may have a good point about Commander owners being
> "individualists", but I also believe there are many other reasons that
> the membership isn't as active. Lets face it - money is pretty darn
> tight for a lot of us and dollars are only spent when absolutely
> required. I can't honestly see how any type group (unless they're
> producing parts) can be profitable. You know how much effort goes into
> the news letter, and I can confirm that it takes about half-a-dozen late
> nights a month to keep a web site "fresh". Aviation is a hobby for most
> GA owners/pilots. I suspect a type group must fall under the same
> catagory to thrive. Some of the most active groups I'm aware of are
> almost completely social. The Bellanca group members get together very
> regulary at events hosted by the members. They have a lot of technical
> information on their web site and chat list which limits costs for
> membership, but all events are hosted by members and are free. Seems to
> be working well for them, but as you pointed out, the Commander crowd is
> different.
>
> I do wish you the best of luck in keeping this train rolling, but I do
> reserve the right to reminise about the most positive aspects of the
> group and the acquaintences I've made along the way. (that's a positive
> thing ya know!)
>
> Chris Schuermann
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: state of the union address |
In a message dated 6/1/2005 5:12:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
(that's a positive
thing ya know!)
Indeed it is Chris. Thanks jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: state of the union address |
In a message dated 6/1/2005 6:02:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
Just a thought.
Thanks Nico jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | The Future of the TCFG |
Gang,
As my 680E is still not back together (money, time, priorities, etc.) I
have not been very active on this list or in the community. However, I
still check my messages most every day.
I have a little experience in running type specific aircraft
associations and would like to tell you what works for us.
First of all, one man CANNOT do it alone. Period. The efforts by
Capt. Jimbob have been Herculean, but it will *never* get the job done
to the level it needs to be....it is simply way more work than one
person can do, even if he were to devote his life to it. There needs
to be a volunteer organization developed to delegate responsibility and
allow for oversight.
The Red Star Pilots Association has a board of directors and regional
coordinators. We are currently making the transition to having the
RC's become the BoD as it allows for balanced input and keeps the BoD
"in the mix" of the community. Furthermore, our web site (despite its
weaknesses...it isn't the easiest site to navigate) has an incredible
amount of useful information from transition training, to
maintenance...all the way up to how to put on a fly-in.
Now, there is a lot more inherent "togetherness" in a warbird community
because we fly formation, perform at and attend air shows, etc., etc.
but there is no reason that, as some have suggested, the pie can't be
divided up so that Jimbob doesn't get a stomach ache from eating the
whole thing every day. I guarantee there is enough talent in this
group.
I would love to offer my services at this point to help out, but
between starting a new business, taking over another one, my RPA
responsibilities, and most importantly taking care of my family, I
simply do not have time. I am willing to help advise if that is
something that is needed.
There is nothing more fun in aviation than an actively involved
community that gets together on a regular basis to share knowledge and
enjoy the camaraderie built on the mutual love of great airplanes.
Many of my best friends are a direct result of such a group, and they
are coast to coast. There is no reason a group flying the best light
twin in the world shouldn't have the same....
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
President/CEO
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
1-866-L39-JETS
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
www.sharedsquadrons.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com> |
| Subject: | Aerocommander.com |
I too share the same frustrations and hopes that jimbob does. The
commander group is an amazing collection of characters. Most of us
have two things in common, the general public doesn't understand us
and we love commanders. I found it much easier to find time to update
the website and post to the chat group when I was making my living
working on and flying commanders. The one thing I noticed is with few
expectations, most of the people working on Commanders can't afford to
own a Commander. Wanting to one day be a Commander owner again, I made
the decision to make a career change in hopes of finding a more profitable
way of making a living. The fact that I am still paying for the adventures
when I had a Commander doesn't help either.
I am more than happy to host the website on our server which I have
done as a donation to the group for several years now. I keep meaning
to find the time to update it and add new features, but I have failed
miserablely at allocating the time. If there is anyone out there with
basic html skills, that has more time and gumption than I do, I can
gladly grant you access to the server to makes updates, or send them
to me and I will get it added to the site. In my opinion the most
important goals of the group were best stated in a letter I received
from John Towner.
1) To help Aero Commander owners find parts and vendors to help keep
the Aero Commander Fleet Flying
2)To help Aero Commander owners have input and a voice with the FAA
and TCAC on proposed AD's and existing AD's
3)To help Aero Commander owners share information about their aircraft
for the benefit of all.
I will also attempt to follow up with John and see if he has complied
the list of preferred vendors and suppliers that we talked about at
the flyin.
I think the best way to get people to sign up for the TCFG is to have
a treasure chest of information on the website that is available in a
members only section. Unfortunately it takes time or money to make
that happen. As long as Chris S allows us to continue hosting the
site the server and the bandwidth will be available for free to the
TCFG. One offer I can extend to everybody and anybody is the offer to
have your own directory on the aerocommander.com site that you can post
your own pics, stories and anything related to commanders. Now nobody can
complain about the lack of updates because you yourself are just as responsible.
I will before the end of the weekend have a new plane of the month up
on the website. I have just unilaterally decided that it is going to
be N333BE. She is a 500A with the Colemill Conversion, and belongs to
Bill Boughan in Orlando, FL. She does have a bit of an attitude
problem, but most good looking girls do. I have numerous great shots
of her and a few good stories to share, stay tuned.
Chris Wall
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aerocommander.com |
CW, EXCITEMENT PREVAILS. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Wall<mailto:cwall(at)worldflight2000.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com
I too share the same frustrations and hopes that jimbob does. The
commander group is an amazing collection of characters. Most of us
have two things in common, the general public doesn't understand us
and we love commanders. I found it much easier to find time to update
the website and post to the chat group when I was making my living
working on and flying commanders. The one thing I noticed is with few
expectations, most of the people working on Commanders can't afford to
own a Commander. Wanting to one day be a Commander owner again, I made
the decision to make a career change in hopes of finding a more profitable
way of making a living. The fact that I am still paying for the adventures
when I had a Commander doesn't help either.
I am more than happy to host the website on our server which I have
done as a donation to the group for several years now. I keep meaning
to find the time to update it and add new features, but I have failed
miserablely at allocating the time. If there is anyone out there with
basic html skills, that has more time and gumption than I do, I can
gladly grant you access to the server to makes updates, or send them
to me and I will get it added to the site. In my opinion the most
important goals of the group were best stated in a letter I received
from John Towner.
1) To help Aero Commander owners find parts and vendors to help keep
the Aero Commander Fleet Flying
2)To help Aero Commander owners have input and a voice with the FAA
and TCAC on proposed AD's and existing AD's
3)To help Aero Commander owners share information about their aircraft
for the benefit of all.
I will also attempt to follow up with John and see if he has complied
the list of preferred vendors and suppliers that we talked about at
the flyin.
I think the best way to get people to sign up for the TCFG is to have
a treasure chest of information on the website that is available in a
members only section. Unfortunately it takes time or money to make
that happen. As long as Chris S allows us to continue hosting the
site the server and the bandwidth will be available for free to the
TCFG. One offer I can extend to everybody and anybody is the offer to
have your own directory on the aerocommander.com site that you can post
your own pics, stories and anything related to commanders. Now nobody can
complain about the lack of updates because you yourself are just as responsible.
I will before the end of the weekend have a new plane of the month up
on the website. I have just unilaterally decided that it is going to
be N333BE. She is a 500A with the Colemill Conversion, and belongs to
Bill Boughan in Orlando, FL. She does have a bit of an attitude
problem, but most good looking girls do. I have numerous great shots
of her and a few good stories to share, stay tuned.
Chris Wall
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aerocommander.com |
CW, ENTHUSIASM SHOULD FOLLOW. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Wall<mailto:cwall(at)worldflight2000.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com
I too share the same frustrations and hopes that jimbob does. The
commander group is an amazing collection of characters. Most of us
have two things in common, the general public doesn't understand us
and we love commanders. I found it much easier to find time to update
the website and post to the chat group when I was making my living
working on and flying commanders. The one thing I noticed is with few
expectations, most of the people working on Commanders can't afford to
own a Commander. Wanting to one day be a Commander owner again, I made
the decision to make a career change in hopes of finding a more profitable
way of making a living. The fact that I am still paying for the adventures
when I had a Commander doesn't help either.
I am more than happy to host the website on our server which I have
done as a donation to the group for several years now. I keep meaning
to find the time to update it and add new features, but I have failed
miserablely at allocating the time. If there is anyone out there with
basic html skills, that has more time and gumption than I do, I can
gladly grant you access to the server to makes updates, or send them
to me and I will get it added to the site. In my opinion the most
important goals of the group were best stated in a letter I received
from John Towner.
1) To help Aero Commander owners find parts and vendors to help keep
the Aero Commander Fleet Flying
2)To help Aero Commander owners have input and a voice with the FAA
and TCAC on proposed AD's and existing AD's
3)To help Aero Commander owners share information about their aircraft
for the benefit of all.
I will also attempt to follow up with John and see if he has complied
the list of preferred vendors and suppliers that we talked about at
the flyin.
I think the best way to get people to sign up for the TCFG is to have
a treasure chest of information on the website that is available in a
members only section. Unfortunately it takes time or money to make
that happen. As long as Chris S allows us to continue hosting the
site the server and the bandwidth will be available for free to the
TCFG. One offer I can extend to everybody and anybody is the offer to
have your own directory on the aerocommander.com site that you can post
your own pics, stories and anything related to commanders. Now nobody can
complain about the lack of updates because you yourself are just as responsible.
I will before the end of the weekend have a new plane of the month up
on the website. I have just unilaterally decided that it is going to
be N333BE. She is a 500A with the Colemill Conversion, and belongs to
Bill Boughan in Orlando, FL. She does have a bit of an attitude
problem, but most good looking girls do. I have numerous great shots
of her and a few good stories to share, stay tuned.
Chris Wall
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aerocommander.com |
Chris,
I am making a living writing, among other, in HTML and many other languages.
Although time is never a loose commodity for hourly paid contractors, I
would consider it a privilege to spend time on the site. If you concur, and
do not have any better offers, send to me the FTP access details off line
and I will start cleaning it up and building new features into the site. The
standard practice is to make changes in a development site, roll them out to
a staging site where others approve of the changes and once there is a
signoff, the new version is rolled out to the public site. We can discuss
this procedure if you wish to take me up on my offer.
Let me know.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Aerocommander.com
>
> I too share the same frustrations and hopes that jimbob does. The
> commander group is an amazing collection of characters. Most of us
> have two things in common, the general public doesn't understand us
> and we love commanders. I found it much easier to find time to update
> the website and post to the chat group when I was making my living
> working on and flying commanders. The one thing I noticed is with few
> expectations, most of the people working on Commanders can't afford to
> own a Commander. Wanting to one day be a Commander owner again, I made
> the decision to make a career change in hopes of finding a more profitable
> way of making a living. The fact that I am still paying for the adventures
> when I had a Commander doesn't help either.
>
> I am more than happy to host the website on our server which I have
> done as a donation to the group for several years now. I keep meaning
> to find the time to update it and add new features, but I have failed
> miserablely at allocating the time. If there is anyone out there with
> basic html skills, that has more time and gumption than I do, I can
> gladly grant you access to the server to makes updates, or send them
> to me and I will get it added to the site. In my opinion the most
> important goals of the group were best stated in a letter I received
> from John Towner.
>
> 1) To help Aero Commander owners find parts and vendors to help keep
> the Aero Commander Fleet Flying
>
> 2)To help Aero Commander owners have input and a voice with the FAA
> and TCAC on proposed AD's and existing AD's
>
> 3)To help Aero Commander owners share information about their aircraft
> for the benefit of all.
>
> I will also attempt to follow up with John and see if he has complied
> the list of preferred vendors and suppliers that we talked about at
> the flyin.
>
> I think the best way to get people to sign up for the TCFG is to have
> a treasure chest of information on the website that is available in a
> members only section. Unfortunately it takes time or money to make
> that happen. As long as Chris S allows us to continue hosting the
> site the server and the bandwidth will be available for free to the
> TCFG. One offer I can extend to everybody and anybody is the offer to
> have your own directory on the aerocommander.com site that you can post
> your own pics, stories and anything related to commanders. Now nobody can
> complain about the lack of updates because you yourself are just as
responsible.
>
> I will before the end of the weekend have a new plane of the month up
> on the website. I have just unilaterally decided that it is going to
> be N333BE. She is a 500A with the Colemill Conversion, and belongs to
> Bill Boughan in Orlando, FL. She does have a bit of an attitude
> problem, but most good looking girls do. I have numerous great shots
> of her and a few good stories to share, stay tuned.
>
> Chris Wall
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aerocommander.com |
Chris Wall wrote:
> I think the best way to get people to sign up for the TCFG is to have
> a treasure chest of information on the website
Absolutely Chris! Couldn't agree with you more!
May I suggest something along the lines of the "Viking Reference Room":
http://home.att.net/~vikingdrvr/rr.html
Some time ago, I compiled a summary list of all the ADs, SBs, and SLs in
the format they used. I think I emailed it to you as a tar file, but
that's been so long ago that I don't remember for certain. I hope you
have it as I can't find it now. (would be a shame if it was lost
because I put a HUGE effort into it).
Sounds like there are several people willing to assist and it'll be
great to see some new life breathed into the web site! I'm excited.
Chris S.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com> |
| Subject: | If it ain't broke don't fix it. |
The latest Microsoft fixes have been applied to the server, but unfortunately that
done broke it. I am working diligently to get the server fully functional
again. (Sorry for the technical difficulties) As soon as I do I will be coordinating
efforts with everybody that offered to help. With some fresh enthusiasm
and the combined efforts of the Commander Clan, I think there will be some
very positive and significant changes coming to the website!
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> fix it. |
| Subject: | Re: If it ain't broke don't |
fix it.
Hey Chris,
Keep up the good work!
Cheers
Russell
---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 00:57:57 -0400
>From: "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com>
>Subject: Commander-List: If it ain't broke don't fix it.
>To:
>
cwall(at)worldflight2000.com>
>
>The latest Microsoft fixes have been applied to the server, but
unfortunately that done broke it. I am working diligently to get the server
fully functional again. (Sorry for the technical difficulties) As soon as I do
I will be coordinating efforts with everybody that offered to help. With
some fresh enthusiasm and the combined efforts of the Commander Clan, I
think there will be some very positive and significant changes coming to the
website!
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
===============
===============
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
Let me know if anyone can ID this one.
Thanks,
Bert
N572L Rockwell Grand Commander crashed June 3, 2005 in El Gallito, MX with
one ton of Cocaine on board, coming from Columbia en route back to US.
http://www.baaa-acro.com/Fiches%20d%27accidents/2005/N572L.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Sounds like a fake N number..........
In a message dated 6/6/2005 9:53:07 AM Central Standard Time,
BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes:
> Let me know if anyone can ID this one.
>
> Thanks,
> Bert
>
> N572L Rockwell Grand Commander crashed June 3, 2005 in El Gallito, MX with
> one ton of Cocaine on board, coming from Columbia en route back to US.
>
> http://www.baaa-acro.com/Fiches%20d%27accidents/2005/N572L.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Your Probably right about that
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: If it ain't broke don't fix it. |
In a message dated 6/5/2005 9:58:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cwall(at)worldflight2000.com writes:
I am working diligently
Thanks Chris for all your efforts!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: SOLDIER'S FUNERAL, TEXAS STYLE |
How come I got a lump in my throat?
SOLDIER'S FUNERAL, TEXAS STYLE (turn on your sound too)]
What follows is a message from Vicki Pierce about her nephew James' funeral
(he was serving our country in Iraq):
"I'm back, it was certainly a quick trip, but I have to also say it was one of
the most amazing experiences of my life. There is a lot to be said for growing
up in a small town in Texas.
The service itself was impressive with wonderful flowers and sprays, a portrait
of James, his uniform and boots, his awards and ribbons. There was lots of
military brass and an eloquent (though inappropriately longwinded) Baptist preacher.
There were easily 1000 people at the service, filling the church sanctuary
as well as the fellowship hall and spilling out into the parking lot.
However, the most incredible thing was what happened following the service on
the way to the cemetery. We went to our cars and drove to the cemetery escorted
by at least 10 police cars with lights flashing and some other emergency vehicles,
with Texas Rangers handling traffic. Everyone on the road who was not
in the procession, pulled over, got out of their cars, and stood silently and
respectfully, some put their hands over their hearts, some had small flags. Shop
keepers came outside with their customers and did the same thing. Construction
workers stopped their work, got off their equipment and put their hands over
their hearts, too. There was no noise whatsoever except a few birds and the
quiet hum of cars going slowly up the road.
When we turned off the highway suddenly there were teenage boys along both sides
of the street about every 20 feet or so, all holding large American flags
on long flag poles, and again with their hands on their hearts. We thought at
first it was the Boy Scouts or 4H club or something, but it continued .... for
two and a half miles. Hundreds of young people, standing silently on the side
of the road with flags. At one point we passed an elementary school, and all
the children were outside, shoulder to shoulder holding flags ... kindergartners,
handicapped, teachers, staff, everyone. Some held signs of love and support.
Then came teenage girls and younger boys, all holding flags. Then adults. Then
families. All standing silently on the side of the road. No one spoke, not
even the very young children. The last few turns found people crowded together
holding flags or with their hands on their hearts. Some were on horseback.
The military presence...at least two generals, a fist full of colonels, and representatives
from every branch of the service, plus the color guard which attended
James, and some who served with him ... was very impressive and respectful,
but the love and pride from this community who had lost one of their own
was the most amazing thing I've ever been privileged to witness.
I've attached some pictures, some are blurry (we were moving), but you can get
a small idea of what this was like. Thanks so much for all the prayers and support."
ups1.jpg
flag2.jpg
flag3.jpg
flag4.jpg
flag5.jpg
flag6.jpg
flag7.jpg
flag8.jpg
road1.jpg
road2.jpg
flag1.jpg
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST MOVING E-MAILS I'VE SEEN TO DATE.
GO USA & GOD BLESS ALL OF OUR MEN!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: SOLDIER'S FUNERAL, TEXAS STYLE |
Sorry about that Todd.
It slipped my mind that the list strips off all pictures. I quickly slapped
the email onto my website so that everyone can share in this extraordinary
experience.
Thanks
Nico
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/War/Soldiers%20funeral/funeral.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: <todd(at)hindmarsh.us>
Subject: RE: Fw: SOLDIER'S FUNERAL, TEXAS STYLE
> Hi Nico,
>
> Since all attachments are stripped through the list mailing service I
> didn't receive any of the photos. Would you mind resending it to me
> directly?
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
> Todd
> N6229B
> AC680
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Polito" <28bravo(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
Stan:
I received the LED lamps the other day, can't wait to install them in the
airplane. Thanks for your effort in providing these lamps. BTW, I am going
to put them in my Malibu instead of the 500B, hope that that is ok with you
:). I decided to put the 500B up for sale, she has been a good airplane
but I need to downsize.
Best
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs
>
> Hello,
>
> I'll be flying to Seattle on Monday for a visit to TCAC and will be back
> on Saturday the 28th. If I receive your check by tomorrow (Saturday),
> I'll ship out your LEDs in Monday's mail. I'll catch up with everyone
> else when I get back.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
> bulbs
>
>
> Hi yet again,
>
> There has been a *significant* response to my offer of these LED lamps,
> to the extent that all that I originally had are now spoken for. I have
> located another source for them, but the guy does only bulk sales
> (minimum quantity of 50 per order), so I need to find out if there are
> any other members who are interested but haven't yet contacted me.
>
> I certainly don't mind holding onto a dozen, or even two dozen spares
> for the convenience of the TCFG members in the future (I would probably
> bring them to the fly-in in September), but I'd rather not buy another
> 50 just to keep around if there's really no further interest.
>
> Please let me know ASAP!
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan [mailto:swperk(at)earthlink.net]
> To: 'commander-list(at)matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
> bulbs
>
> Hi again,
>
> I had no idea that there would be so much interest in these LED lamps
> (although they *are* pretty amazing)! Anyway, I've already had enough
> people ask me to reserve some for them that I probably have very few
> left.
>
> Everyone who has already contacted me about these should confirm with me
> the exact number of lamps they each want, then I can get a tally and
> know how many will be left over.
>
> If there's enough additional interest I'll try to find more.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct
> replacements
>> for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our
> Commanders.
>> Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
>> color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
>> immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will
> never
>> burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the
> bulbs
>> in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter
> and
>> easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
>> bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
>> locked.
>>
>> I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to
> sell
>> them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
>> bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but
> for
>> reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
>> distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
>> again!
>>
>> If you're interested, please e-mail me.
>>
>> Stan
>> N548GQ
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
Hi Dennis,
My pleasure!
Sorry to hear about your selling your 500B, but I'm sure you'll find a
good home for her.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Polito
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
bulbs
<28bravo(at)comcast.net>
Stan:
I received the LED lamps the other day, can't wait to install them in
the
airplane. Thanks for your effort in providing these lamps. BTW, I am
going
to put them in my Malibu instead of the 500B, hope that that is ok with
you
:). I decided to put the 500B up for sale, she has been a good
airplane
but I need to downsize.
Best
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
bulbs
>
> Hello,
>
> I'll be flying to Seattle on Monday for a visit to TCAC and will be
back
> on Saturday the 28th. If I receive your check by tomorrow (Saturday),
> I'll ship out your LEDs in Monday's mail. I'll catch up with everyone
> else when I get back.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
> bulbs
>
>
> Hi yet again,
>
> There has been a *significant* response to my offer of these LED
lamps,
> to the extent that all that I originally had are now spoken for. I
have
> located another source for them, but the guy does only bulk sales
> (minimum quantity of 50 per order), so I need to find out if there are
> any other members who are interested but haven't yet contacted me.
>
> I certainly don't mind holding onto a dozen, or even two dozen spares
> for the convenience of the TCFG members in the future (I would
probably
> bring them to the fly-in in September), but I'd rather not buy another
> 50 just to keep around if there's really no further interest.
>
> Please let me know ASAP!
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan [mailto:swperk(at)earthlink.net]
> To: 'commander-list(at)matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327
> bulbs
>
> Hi again,
>
> I had no idea that there would be so much interest in these LED lamps
> (although they *are* pretty amazing)! Anyway, I've already had enough
> people ask me to reserve some for them that I probably have very few
> left.
>
> Everyone who has already contacted me about these should confirm with
me
> the exact number of lamps they each want, then I can get a tally and
> know how many will be left over.
>
> If there's enough additional interest I'll try to find more.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct
> replacements
>> for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our
> Commanders.
>> Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
>> color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
>> immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will
> never
>> burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the
> bulbs
>> in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter
> and
>> easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a
failed
>> bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
>> locked.
>>
>> I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to
> sell
>> them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
>> bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but
> for
>> reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
>> distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of
these
>> again!
>>
>> If you're interested, please e-mail me.
>>
>> Stan
>> N548GQ
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article |
I recently purchased the 1960 FLYING Magazine article on the 500 Commander,
would be happy to send it to anyone that would be interested.
Thanks,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TILLMAN333(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article |
Thanks Bert,
I would enjoy a copy of the article.
Gary Tillman, Pres.
Av. Ins. Brokers of NA
http://www.flysafeinsurance.com/
800-228-4283
706-291-4077 office
706-238-1143 cell
706-232-3081 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article |
Bert,
If you would send it to me I will scan it up and publish it on the Internet
for all to share and then send it back to you if you wish. I imagine it
could be quite a valuable collector's item.
Nico
Nico van Niekerk
PO Box 4221,
Thousand Oaks,
CA 91359
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article
>
> I recently purchased the 1960 FLYING Magazine article on the 500
Commander,
> would be happy to send it to anyone that would be interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article |
Bert
I would also enjoy a copy of the article.
Mike
Commander NW LTD
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article |
In a message dated 6/7/2005 4:13:24 PM Central Standard Time,
BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes:
> I recently purchased the 1960 FLYING Magazine article on the 500 Commander,
>
> would be happy to send it to anyone that would be interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
And, of course, Bert, I'd be overjoyed!
Thanks, Rob AC500
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article |
Ditto, as partner in our AC500. Please send copy to me also.
Thanks a mil'
Steve G
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RRamm52(at)cs.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article
In a message dated 6/7/2005 4:13:24 PM Central Standard Time,
BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes:
> I recently purchased the 1960 FLYING Magazine article on the 500
Commander,
>
> would be happy to send it to anyone that would be interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
And, of course, Bert, I'd be overjoyed!
Thanks, Rob AC500
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article |
In a message dated 6/7/2005 9:06:57 PM Central Standard Time,
steveg(at)nternet.com writes:
> Ditto, as partner in our AC500. Please send copy to me also.
>
> Thanks a mil'
> Steve G
One is enough. I'll share. Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article |
"I imagine it could be quite a valuable collector's item."
Not any more :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article
>
> Bert,
> If you would send it to me I will scan it up and publish it on the
Internet
> for all to share and then send it back to you if you wish. I imagine it
> could be quite a valuable collector's item.
> Nico
>
> Nico van Niekerk
> PO Box 4221,
> Thousand Oaks,
> CA 91359
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article
>
>
> >
> > I recently purchased the 1960 FLYING Magazine article on the 500
> Commander,
> > would be happy to send it to anyone that would be interested.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bert
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> Magazine Article |
| Subject: | Re: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" |
Magazine Article
Hi Folks,
It would be great if we could get it up on the internet...I was going to ask
Bert if he would mind sending a copy to me down here in Oz!
Great idea Nico!
Cheers
Russell
---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:30:07 -0700
>From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine
Article
>To:
>
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
>
>Bert,
>If you would send it to me I will scan it up and publish it on the Internet
>for all to share and then send it back to you if you wish. I imagine it
>could be quite a valuable collector's item.
>Nico
>
>Nico van Niekerk
>PO Box 4221,
>Thousand Oaks,
>CA 91359
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine
Article
>
>
>>
>> I recently purchased the 1960 FLYING Magazine article on the 500
>Commander,
>> would be happy to send it to anyone that would be interested.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bert
>>
>>
>
>
===============
===============
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 500 Aero Commander "FLYING" Magazine Article |
Bert,
Please add me to the list.
Thanks,
Ken Hyde N47AC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | 500 Aero Commander Article |
Let me know if you didn't get a copy of the article and requested one.
Sometimes I miss one or two.
Thanks,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 500 Aero Commander Article |
BB, SORRY I MISSED IT. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 500 Aero Commander Article
Let me know if you didn't get a copy of the article and requested one.
Sometimes I miss one or two.
Thanks,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
For some reason, there are a few of you that I have trouble sending things
to. I think it may have something to do with the size of the file and the size
of your mail boxes. So if anyone has a server up and running and is willing
to post these articles that I come across, that would be great. Just let us
know what the address is. I have alot of info, brochures, ads...etc. I'd love
to
share it will whom ever is intersted. I just don't have a web site/server to
use for this purpose.
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander 500 Report |
Thanks, Bert. I wonder what a modern instructor would do if his student would say
"I am somewhat loath to do that." It was a peek into the past in more ways
than one.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
To: Kamala(at)msn.com ; KenWHyde(at)aol.com ; KCoons(at)tmmna.com ; rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
; tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca ; RRamm52(at)cs.com ; sather(at)charter.net ; steveg(at)nternet.com
; floydgm(at)hotmail.com ; nico(at)cybersuperstore.com ; barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk
; TILLMAN333(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:10 AM
Subject: Aero Commander 500 Report
Here you go guys.
Enjoy,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander 500 Report |
Hey...is it too late to get added to the list?
Thanks,
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Aero Commander 500 Report
>
> Thanks, Bert. I wonder what a modern instructor would do if his student
would say "I am somewhat loath to do that." It was a peek into the past in
more ways than one.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
> To: Kamala(at)msn.com ; KenWHyde(at)aol.com ; KCoons(at)tmmna.com ;
rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au ; tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca ; RRamm52(at)cs.com ;
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nico(at)cybersuperstore.com ; barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk ;
TILLMAN333(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:10 AM
> Subject: Aero Commander 500 Report
>
>
> Here you go guys.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Bert
>
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| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Bert,
Thanks, I got your "Flying" article.
Ken Hyde
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I am looking for the little feet that go on the bottom of the legs for the
seats, I need eight of them.
I am not sure how many types there are of these feet that allow you to drop
the seat in the tracks and slide to the next lock position.
Tom F.
C-GISS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I need to replace the eight passenger windows on my 680FLP (Mr.RPM).
Has anyone priced this out before and does anyone have a source for the windows?
Tom F.
C-GISS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Tom,
Try Dallas Air Salvage at 1-800-336-6399.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Subject: Commander-List: Seat feet
I am looking for the little feet that go on the bottom of the legs for the
seats, I need eight of them.
I am not sure how many types there are of these feet that allow you to drop
the seat in the tracks and slide to the next lock position.
Tom F.
C-GISS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
tf, perkins plastics fort worth, tx specializes in aircraft windows.
mason
>From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: FLP windows
>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:49:54 -0700
>
>
>
>I need to replace the eight passenger windows on my 680FLP (Mr.RPM).
>Has anyone priced this out before and does anyone have a source for the
>windows?
>
>
>Tom F.
>C-GISS
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
John Towner's list recommends LP Aero Plastics in Jeannette PA for
windshield replacement.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | swperk(at)earthlink.net |
I contacted LP last year and was told that they make windows only for non-pressurized
Commanders, so I ended up getting my new windshield directly from TCAC.
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLP windows
John Towner's list recommends LP Aero Plastics in Jeannette PA for
windshield replacement.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | TCAC telephone number? |
Anyone have the telephone number of TCAC?
Tom F.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLP windows
>
> I contacted LP last year and was told that they make windows only for
non-pressurized Commanders, so I ended up getting my new windshield directly
from TCAC.
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLP windows
>
>
> John Towner's list recommends LP Aero Plastics in Jeannette PA for
> windshield replacement.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: TCAC telephone number? |
Never mind I found it....360-435-9797
Thanks
Tom F.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: TCAC telephone number?
>
> Anyone have the telephone number of TCAC?
>
> Tom F.
> C-GISS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLP windows
>
>
> >
> > I contacted LP last year and was told that they make windows only for
> non-pressurized Commanders, so I ended up getting my new windshield
directly
> from TCAC.
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLP windows
> >
> >
> > John Towner's list recommends LP Aero Plastics in Jeannette PA for
> > windshield replacement.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
While trying to find parts, I looked up Perkins Plastics 325-673-9300 but a Perkins
Insurance Company voice mail answers that phone.
I have called LP Aero Plastics 724-744-4448 they only sell wholesale and will not
even talk to me.
I have called TCAC 360-435-9797 they will not sell to an aircraft owner, only to
a dealer.
So buying/finding parts is next to impossible.
Tom F.
C-GISS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts suppliers |
tf, perkins plastics 817-877-1966, also known as perkins aircraft services
2300 w 6th st fort worth, tx 76102. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
While trying to find parts, I looked up Perkins Plastics 325-673-9300 but a Perkins
Insurance Company voice mail answers that phone.
I have called LP Aero Plastics 724-744-4448 they only sell wholesale and will
not even talk to me.
I have called TCAC 360-435-9797 they will not sell to an aircraft owner, only
to a dealer.
So buying/finding parts is next to impossible.
Tom F.
C-GISS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts suppliers |
Tom,
When we had the meeting last year in Kansas City, our most gracious host,
John Towner, gave us a list of the suppliers that he uses. He lists his
supplier as being LP Aero Plastics, Rd. #1, Box 201B, Jeanette, PA 15644.
I haven't used LP personally, however, the list seems to be excellent.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
> tf, perkins plastics 817-877-1966, also known as perkins aircraft
services 2300 w 6th st fort worth, tx 76102. mason
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
>
>
>
> While trying to find parts, I looked up Perkins Plastics 325-673-9300
but a Perkins Insurance Company voice mail answers that phone.
>
> I have called LP Aero Plastics 724-744-4448 they only sell wholesale and
will not even talk to me.
>
> I have called TCAC 360-435-9797 they will not sell to an aircraft owner,
only to a dealer.
>
> So buying/finding parts is next to impossible.
>
> Tom F.
> C-GISS
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Moe,
I was there but missed the list of suppliers, is there any way I could get a
copy.
Jim Addington
N444BD
jtaddington(at)charter.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
Tom,
When we had the meeting last year in Kansas City, our most gracious host,
John Towner, gave us a list of the suppliers that he uses. He lists his
supplier as being LP Aero Plastics, Rd. #1, Box 201B, Jeanette, PA 15644.
I haven't used LP personally, however, the list seems to be excellent.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
> tf, perkins plastics 817-877-1966, also known as perkins aircraft
services 2300 w 6th st fort worth, tx 76102. mason
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
>
>
>
> While trying to find parts, I looked up Perkins Plastics 325-673-9300
but a Perkins Insurance Company voice mail answers that phone.
>
> I have called LP Aero Plastics 724-744-4448 they only sell wholesale and
will not even talk to me.
>
> I have called TCAC 360-435-9797 they will not sell to an aircraft owner,
only to a dealer.
>
> So buying/finding parts is next to impossible.
>
> Tom F.
> C-GISS
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Tom,
Did you find your seat parts? I have some other salvage places that might
have a wreck with a damaged seat that would have the parts you need.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Subject: Commander-List: FLP windows
I need to replace the eight passenger windows on my 680FLP (Mr.RPM).
Has anyone priced this out before and does anyone have a source for the
windows?
Tom F.
C-GISS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts suppliers |
Jim,
Would be most happy to send you a copy. Email your postal address to me and
I will get a photo copy sent to you. If anyone else needs a copy please
email your mailing address to moe@rosspistons and I will one out.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
> Moe,
> I was there but missed the list of suppliers, is there any way I could get
a
> copy.
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
> jtaddington(at)charter.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
>
> Tom,
> When we had the meeting last year in Kansas City, our most gracious host,
> John Towner, gave us a list of the suppliers that he uses. He lists his
> supplier as being LP Aero Plastics, Rd. #1, Box 201B, Jeanette, PA 15644.
>
> I haven't used LP personally, however, the list seems to be excellent.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
> N680RR
>
>
> Moe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
>
> >
> > tf, perkins plastics 817-877-1966, also known as perkins aircraft
> services 2300 w 6th st fort worth, tx 76102. mason
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > While trying to find parts, I looked up Perkins Plastics 325-673-9300
> but a Perkins Insurance Company voice mail answers that phone.
> >
> > I have called LP Aero Plastics 724-744-4448 they only sell wholesale
and
> will not even talk to me.
> >
> > I have called TCAC 360-435-9797 they will not sell to an aircraft
owner,
> only to a dealer.
> >
> > So buying/finding parts is next to impossible.
> >
> > Tom F.
> > C-GISS
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Thanks, I have to measure the feet to see if they are available, if that
falls through I'll send you the description.
Tom F.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FLP windows
>
> Tom,
> Did you find your seat parts? I have some other salvage places that might
> have a wreck with a damaged seat that would have the parts you need.
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
> Fisher
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: FLP windows
>
>
>
>
> I need to replace the eight passenger windows on my 680FLP (Mr.RPM).
> Has anyone priced this out before and does anyone have a source for the
> windows?
>
>
> Tom F.
> C-GISS
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts suppliers |
This fellow can help you with both the seat studs and the FLP windshield,
Aero Air is a TCAC authorized service center.
Aero Air 1-800-448-2376
Portland Hillsboro Airport Nick Freeman Parts
2050 NE 25th Avenue Steve
Hillsboro OR 97124
Mike
Commander NW LTD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barshalom(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 500 Aero Commander Article |
Hey Bert,
Just got back in town and would like to ask you to send the article for my
500B archives. Thanks in advance from Bill Culwell, proud owner of 500B N69PT.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts suppliers |
mm, may i get a copy also? mason
>From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:28:54 -0700
>
>
>Jim,
>
>Would be most happy to send you a copy. Email your postal address to me
>and
>I will get a photo copy sent to you. If anyone else needs a copy please
>email your mailing address to moe@rosspistons and I will one out.
>
>Regards,
>
>Moe Mills
>N680RR
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
>To:
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
>
>
> >
> > Moe,
> > I was there but missed the list of suppliers, is there any way I could
>get
>a
> > copy.
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > jtaddington(at)charter.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom,
> > When we had the meeting last year in Kansas City, our most gracious
>host,
> > John Towner, gave us a list of the suppliers that he uses. He lists his
> > supplier as being LP Aero Plastics, Rd. #1, Box 201B, Jeanette, PA
>15644.
> >
> > I haven't used LP personally, however, the list seems to be excellent.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Moe
> > N680RR
> >
> >
> > Moe
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > tf, perkins plastics 817-877-1966, also known as perkins aircraft
> > services 2300 w 6th st fort worth, tx 76102. mason
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > To:
>commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While trying to find parts, I looked up Perkins Plastics
>325-673-9300
> > but a Perkins Insurance Company voice mail answers that phone.
> > >
> > > I have called LP Aero Plastics 724-744-4448 they only sell wholesale
>and
> > will not even talk to me.
> > >
> > > I have called TCAC 360-435-9797 they will not sell to an aircraft
>owner,
> > only to a dealer.
> > >
> > > So buying/finding parts is next to impossible.
> > >
> > > Tom F.
> > > C-GISS
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts suppliers |
Mason,
Please send me your mailing address, and we will mail it to you.
Regards
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
> mm, may i get a copy also? mason
>
> >From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:28:54 -0700
> >
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >Would be most happy to send you a copy. Email your postal address to me
> >and
> >I will get a photo copy sent to you. If anyone else needs a copy please
> >email your mailing address to moe@rosspistons and I will one out.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Moe Mills
> >N680RR
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> >To:
> >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Moe,
> > > I was there but missed the list of suppliers, is there any way I could
> >get
> >a
> > > copy.
> > > Jim Addington
> > > N444BD
> > > jtaddington(at)charter.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom,
> > > When we had the meeting last year in Kansas City, our most gracious
> >host,
> > > John Towner, gave us a list of the suppliers that he uses. He lists
his
> > > supplier as being LP Aero Plastics, Rd. #1, Box 201B, Jeanette, PA
> >15644.
> > >
> > > I haven't used LP personally, however, the list seems to be excellent.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Moe
> > > N680RR
> > >
> > >
> > > Moe
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > tf, perkins plastics 817-877-1966, also known as perkins aircraft
> > > services 2300 w 6th st fort worth, tx 76102. mason
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > > To:
> >commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> > > > Subject: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > While trying to find parts, I looked up Perkins Plastics
> >325-673-9300
> > > but a Perkins Insurance Company voice mail answers that phone.
> > > >
> > > > I have called LP Aero Plastics 724-744-4448 they only sell
wholesale
> >and
> > > will not even talk to me.
> > > >
> > > > I have called TCAC 360-435-9797 they will not sell to an aircraft
> >owner,
> > > only to a dealer.
> > > >
> > > > So buying/finding parts is next to impossible.
> > > >
> > > > Tom F.
> > > > C-GISS
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts suppliers |
MM, DON'T YOU DARE CHECK THE COMMANDER LIST YOU PUT TOGETHER. 910 COLLIER ST.
FORT WORTH, TX 76102. THANK YOU MASON DON'T MIND ME I AM JUST A SMARTASS.
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
Mason,
Please send me your mailing address, and we will mail it to you.
Regards
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>>
To: >
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
> mm, may i get a copy also? mason
>
> >From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>>
> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: >
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:28:54 -0700
> >
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >Would be most happy to send you a copy. Email your postal address to me
> >and
> >I will get a photo copy sent to you. If anyone else needs a copy please
> >email your mailing address to moe@rosspistons and I will one out.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Moe Mills
> >N680RR
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net<mailto:jtaddington(at)charter.net>>
> >To: >
> >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> >
> >
> >>
> > >
> > > Moe,
> > > I was there but missed the list of suppliers, is there any way I could
> >get
> >a
> > > copy.
> > > Jim Addington
> > > N444BD
> > > jtaddington(at)charter.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com>
> > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom,
> > > When we had the meeting last year in Kansas City, our most gracious
> >host,
> > > John Towner, gave us a list of the suppliers that he uses. He lists
his
> > > supplier as being LP Aero Plastics, Rd. #1, Box 201B, Jeanette, PA
> >15644.
> > >
> > > I haven't used LP personally, however, the list seems to be excellent.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Moe
> > > N680RR
> > >
> > >
> > > Moe
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
> > > To: >
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > >
> > >
> >>
> > > >
> > > > tf, perkins plastics 817-877-1966, also known as perkins aircraft
> > > services 2300 w 6th st fort worth, tx 76102. mason
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>>
> > > > To:
> >commander-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> > > > Subject: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > While trying to find parts, I looked up Perkins Plastics
> >325-673-9300
> > > but a Perkins Insurance Company voice mail answers that phone.
> > > >
> > > > I have called LP Aero Plastics 724-744-4448 they only sell
wholesale
> >and
> > > will not even talk to me.
> > > >
> > > > I have called TCAC 360-435-9797 they will not sell to an aircraft
> >owner,
> > > only to a dealer.
> > > >
> > > > So buying/finding parts is next to impossible.
> > > >
> > > > Tom F.
> > > > C-GISS
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Just to let everyone know. The 2005 Twin commander Flight Group
flyin and convention will be held in Marina California (Near Monterey) Sept
22-25 Thursday will be an arrival day and "Pizza Party" Tech. Workshops and
Seminars begin Friday AM and are intended for the "boys" (everyone is welcome)
The gals will join us for lunch and the afternoon will be spent having fun
together seeing local attractions. I am planing a fly-out for Saturday
afternoon (maybe a poker run).
I have blocked 30 rooms and am talking with Enterprise rent a car about
delivering cars to the airport. The meeting facility at Marina looks great!
Sat evening awards banquet location TBA, but will probably be a little
less formal that before and feature Mexican food (in keeping with the location)
If you are interested in attending, let me know and I will forward a
registration form. It will be a blast and there is always great information
shared. Hope to see all of you there!!
Jim Metzger Director, TCFG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I just returned from a nice flight in triple 2. Flew to Nampa ID
S67, for a couple of days to help a close friend annual his Skymaster. Flew
home today (10.5 32 X 2550rpm = 157 KTIA, 177 KTS over the ground)
An old friend of mine has a great WW 2 museum and had a "Mustang
Invitational" event today. They had 5 Mustangs (Including "Ole Yeller", RA Bob
Hoovers old mount, still painted in his livery), 2 P-40s, a Wildcat, and a
Skyraider. They were flying rides all day long. It was so good to hear those
things fly past. They even had a number of gals dressed on 40s cloths (the seem
up their hose) Man, they sure looked good. I love the way women dressed
back then, no wonder we had a "baby boom"!!
I was fortunate to depart right behind a flight of 4 P-51s!! What fun.
Anybody else fly their Commander anywhere this week end?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
Great news! Sounds like you had a good trip. Count me in!
Alan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:10 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: 2005 FLYIN!
>
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Just to let everyone know. The 2005 Twin commander
> Flight Group flyin and convention will be held in Marina
> California (Near Monterey) Sept
> 22-25 Thursday will be an arrival day and "Pizza Party"
> Tech. Workshops and
> Seminars begin Friday AM and are intended for the "boys"
> (everyone is welcome) The gals will join us for lunch and
> the afternoon will be spent having fun together seeing local
> attractions. I am planing a fly-out for Saturday afternoon
> (maybe a poker run).
> I have blocked 30 rooms and am talking with Enterprise
> rent a car about delivering cars to the airport. The meeting
> facility at Marina looks great!
> Sat evening awards banquet location TBA, but will
> probably be a little less formal that before and feature
> Mexican food (in keeping with the location)
> If you are interested in attending, let me know and I
> will forward a registration form. It will be a blast and
> there is always great information shared. Hope to see all
> of you there!!
>
> Jim Metzger Director, TCFG
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
Well...not this past week...does Memorial Day weekend count?
Ellen and I flew out to Flagstaff on our way to Santa Fe, and got stopped by
thunderstorms just East of the airport. Before we got out of the plane we
were greeted by Orville Wiseman of Wiseman Aviation, the only FBO on the
field. He came up and said, "I used to own a 500A, too. Sure do miss it!"
We ended up renting a car and driving on to Santa Fe. Looked at some
beautiful land in Southwestern Colorado, near Chromo [a general store and
post office]. If anyone is interested in 109 acres, 24 miles South of
Pagosa Springs for half the cost of a *small* California condo, this is very
nice:
www.coloradoviews.com
We then stopped in at Sandia Airpark [1N1], in Edgewood, NM [27 miles East
of Albuquerque]. Ellen fell in love with NM. If you had told me before the
weekend that we would be buying a lot in an airpark in NM, I would have told
you to stop smoking that stuff. But that is just what we did. There is
already a Shrike there - turns out I bought the lot right across the
taxiway/street from the guy who owns it. Is Jorge Gonzales in the group?
So not only will I [eventually] be living on an airpark, I will be living in
an Aero Commander ghetto on an airpark!
www.sandia-airpark.com
In a few years, you can come and visit!
Alan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:39 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: NICE FLIGHT
>
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I just returned from a nice flight in triple 2.
> Flew to Nampa ID S67, for a couple of days to help a close
> friend annual his Skymaster. Flew home today (10.5 32 X
> 2550rpm = 157 KTIA, 177 KTS over the ground)
> An old friend of mine has a great WW 2 museum and had a
> "Mustang Invitational" event today. They had 5 Mustangs
> (Including "Ole Yeller", RA Bob Hoovers old mount, still
> painted in his livery), 2 P-40s, a Wildcat, and a Skyraider.
> They were flying rides all day long. It was so good to
> hear those things fly past. They even had a number of gals
> dressed on 40s cloths (the seem up their hose) Man, they
> sure looked good. I love the way women dressed back then,
> no wonder we had a "baby boom"!!
> I was fortunate to depart right behind a flight of 4
> P-51s!! What fun.
> Anybody else fly their Commander anywhere this week end?? jb
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Jim,
Count us in. Three people (me + two ladies).
Thanks
Nico
PS. One is my daughter.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 2005 FLYIN!
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Just to let everyone know. The 2005 Twin commander Flight Group
> flyin and convention will be held in Marina California (Near Monterey)
Sept
> 22-25 Thursday will be an arrival day and "Pizza Party" Tech.
Workshops and
> Seminars begin Friday AM and are intended for the "boys" (everyone is
welcome)
> The gals will join us for lunch and the afternoon will be spent having
fun
> together seeing local attractions. I am planing a fly-out for Saturday
> afternoon (maybe a poker run).
> I have blocked 30 rooms and am talking with Enterprise rent a car
about
> delivering cars to the airport. The meeting facility at Marina looks
great!
> Sat evening awards banquet location TBA, but will probably be a
little
> less formal that before and feature Mexican food (in keeping with the
location)
> If you are interested in attending, let me know and I will forward a
> registration form. It will be a blast and there is always great
information
> shared. Hope to see all of you there!!
>
> Jim Metzger Director, TCFG
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi,
Steve and I flew our 500 from new orleans to Greater Exuma and back via west
palm beach thursday........great flight and the bahamas are still beautiful!
We departed west Palm at dark and arrived back in New Orleans at
10:45...gorgeous night flight. Averaged 178 knots ground speed on return from Greater
Exuma....she never missed a beat.....wonderful aircraft and flight.....
Rob AC500
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Jimbob,
Sounds GREAT! I can't wait to attend the first official Commander Fly-In
that's happening in my own backyard!
If there's anything I can do to help with logistics, let me know. Also, if
you need to make an "Administrative Visit" before the actual event, the
Metzger family (even Iguana-Metzgers) are always welcome at Casa de
Vormbaum!
Although, you might want to call ahead. I flew from PAO to HWD today (uhh,
about 8 min. flight) to visit Morris for a cup of coffee & some pie, and
ended up stuck there. Someone in a twin (a low-wing airplane obviously)
decided to land wheels-up at PAO, resulting in the closure of the airport
for about 2 hours.
Chalk one up for the high-vs-low wing argument. Do that in a Commander and
you can probably get the runway cleared in 15 minutes. With no damage to
engine or props.
/J
PS: It's still a good idea to make sure the rollers are out BEFORE touching
down.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 2005 FLYIN!
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Just to let everyone know. The 2005 Twin commander Flight Group
> flyin and convention will be held in Marina California (Near Monterey)
Sept
> 22-25 Thursday will be an arrival day and "Pizza Party" Tech.
Workshops and
> Seminars begin Friday AM and are intended for the "boys" (everyone is
welcome)
> The gals will join us for lunch and the afternoon will be spent having
fun
> together seeing local attractions. I am planing a fly-out for Saturday
> afternoon (maybe a poker run).
> I have blocked 30 rooms and am talking with Enterprise rent a car
about
> delivering cars to the airport. The meeting facility at Marina looks
great!
> Sat evening awards banquet location TBA, but will probably be a
little
> less formal that before and feature Mexican food (in keeping with the
location)
> If you are interested in attending, let me know and I will forward a
> registration form. It will be a blast and there is always great
information
> shared. Hope to see all of you there!!
>
> Jim Metzger Director, TCFG
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
....those who have, those who will and those who will again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2005 FLYIN!
>
> Jimbob,
>
> Sounds GREAT! I can't wait to attend the first official Commander Fly-In
> that's happening in my own backyard!
>
> If there's anything I can do to help with logistics, let me know. Also, if
> you need to make an "Administrative Visit" before the actual event, the
> Metzger family (even Iguana-Metzgers) are always welcome at Casa de
> Vormbaum!
>
> Although, you might want to call ahead. I flew from PAO to HWD today (uhh,
> about 8 min. flight) to visit Morris for a cup of coffee & some pie, and
> ended up stuck there. Someone in a twin (a low-wing airplane obviously)
> decided to land wheels-up at PAO, resulting in the closure of the airport
> for about 2 hours.
>
> Chalk one up for the high-vs-low wing argument. Do that in a Commander and
> you can probably get the runway cleared in 15 minutes. With no damage to
> engine or props.
>
> /J
>
> PS: It's still a good idea to make sure the rollers are out BEFORE
> touching
> down.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: 2005 FLYIN!
>
>
>>
>> HI KIDS.
>>
>> Just to let everyone know. The 2005 Twin commander Flight Group
>> flyin and convention will be held in Marina California (Near Monterey)
> Sept
>> 22-25 Thursday will be an arrival day and "Pizza Party" Tech.
> Workshops and
>> Seminars begin Friday AM and are intended for the "boys" (everyone is
> welcome)
>> The gals will join us for lunch and the afternoon will be spent having
> fun
>> together seeing local attractions. I am planing a fly-out for Saturday
>> afternoon (maybe a poker run).
>> I have blocked 30 rooms and am talking with Enterprise rent a car
> about
>> delivering cars to the airport. The meeting facility at Marina looks
> great!
>> Sat evening awards banquet location TBA, but will probably be a
> little
>> less formal that before and feature Mexican food (in keeping with the
> location)
>> If you are interested in attending, let me know and I will forward a
>> registration form. It will be a blast and there is always great
> information
>> shared. Hope to see all of you there!!
>>
>> Jim Metzger Director, TCFG
>>
>>
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
jm, please put me down for the fly in. mason 2001m
>From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: 2005 FLYIN!
>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:10:20 EDT
>
>
>HI KIDS.
>
> Just to let everyone know. The 2005 Twin commander Flight Group
>flyin and convention will be held in Marina California (Near Monterey)
>Sept
>22-25 Thursday will be an arrival day and "Pizza Party" Tech. Workshops
>and
>Seminars begin Friday AM and are intended for the "boys" (everyone is
>welcome)
>The gals will join us for lunch and the afternoon will be spent having fun
>together seeing local attractions. I am planing a fly-out for Saturday
>afternoon (maybe a poker run).
> I have blocked 30 rooms and am talking with Enterprise rent a car
>about
>delivering cars to the airport. The meeting facility at Marina looks
>great!
> Sat evening awards banquet location TBA, but will probably be a
>little
>less formal that before and feature Mexican food (in keeping with the
>location)
> If you are interested in attending, let me know and I will forward a
>registration form. It will be a blast and there is always great
>information
>shared. Hope to see all of you there!!
>
>Jim Metzger Director, TCFG
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I flew my 500 Shrike form Mich. to Santa Fe, NM for a week vacation with
my wife. I took a day trip up to San Francisco to visit my 94 year old
mother while my wife did her museum/art gallery b.s. in Santa Fe. I
stopped in Needles California for a fuel stop. Neat place and fuel was
very reasonable for 100LL at 3.25 a gallon.
Getting into San Francisco was very easy. I landed in San Jose (SQL)
rented a Hertz (on the field) at $32.99/ day and was in and out of the
city in 1 1/2 hours including a stop for Sushi.
Life is good when flying a twin commander.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: NICE FLIGHT
HI KIDS.
I just returned from a nice flight in triple 2. Flew to Nampa
S67, for a couple of days to help a close friend annual his Skymaster.
Flew
home today (10.5 32 X 2550rpm = 157 KTIA, 177 KTS over the ground)
An old friend of mine has a great WW 2 museum and had a "Mustang
Invitational" event today. They had 5 Mustangs (Including "Ole
Yeller", RA Bob
Hoovers old mount, still painted in his livery), 2 P-40s, a Wildcat,
and a
Skyraider. They were flying rides all day long. It was so good to
hear those
things fly past. They even had a number of gals dressed on 40s cloths
(the seem
up their hose) Man, they sure looked good. I love the way women
dressed
back then, no wonder we had a "baby boom"!!
I was fortunate to depart right behind a flight of 4 P-51s!! What
fun.
Anybody else fly their Commander anywhere this week end?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hi JimBob,
My daughter & I flew an Angel Flight mission yesterday in our 680F. SBP
(San Luis Obispo, CA) to SAC (Sacramento Executive) to pick up 3 young kids
who are burn survivors. Then, we delivered them down to FAT
(Fresno-Yosemite) to attend a special summer camp for kids who have suffered
severe burns. As always, it is gratifying to volunteer to help these folks
with transportation. And, as always, the Commander performed
wonderfully...swallowed up all the sleeping bags and baggage and then hummed
along at190 knots true at 11500. A very pleasant way to spend a Saturday.
Regarding the California Fly-in...count me in..!! Along with John V.,
Marina is practically in my back yard, so I am available to help with set-up
and what-ever. Let me know what I can do.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: NICE FLIGHT
HI KIDS.
I just returned from a nice flight in triple 2. Flew to Nampa ID
S67, for a couple of days to help a close friend annual his Skymaster.
Flew
home today (10.5 32 X 2550rpm = 157 KTIA, 177 KTS over the ground)
An old friend of mine has a great WW 2 museum and had a "Mustang
Invitational" event today. They had 5 Mustangs (Including "Ole Yeller", RA
Bob
Hoovers old mount, still painted in his livery), 2 P-40s, a Wildcat, and a
Skyraider. They were flying rides all day long. It was so good to hear
those
things fly past. They even had a number of gals dressed on 40s cloths (the
seem
up their hose) Man, they sure looked good. I love the way women dressed
back then, no wonder we had a "baby boom"!!
I was fortunate to depart right behind a flight of 4 P-51s!! What fun.
Anybody else fly their Commander anywhere this week end?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/12/2005 5:46:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
Life is good when flying a twin commander.
AMEN!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/12/2005 7:59:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
swallowed up all the sleeping bags and baggage and then hummed
along at190 knots true at 11500. A very pleasant way to spend a Saturday.
So cool!! I will be in touch on the flyin. Thanks jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/11/2005 10:39:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
akucheck(at)hotmail.com writes:
So not only will I [eventually] be living on an airpark, I will be living in
an Aero Commander ghetto on an airpark!
WOW!! Congratulations!! jb PS RHANKS FOR YOUR HELP WITH ORD. IT WILL BE
A GREAT PLACE. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/11/2005 11:19:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
RRamm52(at)cs.com writes:
great flight and the bahamas are still beautiful!
AMEN TO THAT. Someday, I want to live in the Caribbean. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/12/2005 5:00:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
PS: It's still a good idea to make sure the rollers are out BEFORE
> touching
> down.
Yep, it overheats the engines taxing to the ramp at full power!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
You all probably heard this before, but I tell everybody anyway:
There are three things that remain with a pilot when doing a wheels-up
landing: (in a low-wing, of course).
1. The momentary sense that this is a perfect landing as you sink through
the touch-down point.
2. The propellers that suddenly change into what might look like dry
arrangements.
3. The distance to the runway when you step off the wing.
Nico
PS. Jim, did you get my email about fixing the question marks in your
article?
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2005 FLYIN!
>
>
> In a message dated 6/12/2005 5:00:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
>
> PS: It's still a good idea to make sure the rollers are out BEFORE
> > touching
> > down.
>
>
> Yep, it overheats the engines taxing to the ramp at full power!! jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Jim,
Count me in for two (my dad will also be attending)!
Let me know if there is anything we can do to help.
See you there!
Thanks,
Stan
(now N681SP)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: 2005 FLYIN!
HI KIDS.
Just to let everyone know. The 2005 Twin commander Flight
Group
flyin and convention will be held in Marina California (Near Monterey)
Sept
22-25 Thursday will be an arrival day and "Pizza Party" Tech.
Workshops and
Seminars begin Friday AM and are intended for the "boys" (everyone is
welcome)
The gals will join us for lunch and the afternoon will be spent having
fun
together seeing local attractions. I am planing a fly-out for Saturday
afternoon (maybe a poker run).
I have blocked 30 rooms and am talking with Enterprise rent a car
about
delivering cars to the airport. The meeting facility at Marina looks
great!
Sat evening awards banquet location TBA, but will probably be a
little
less formal that before and feature Mexican food (in keeping with the
location)
If you are interested in attending, let me know and I will forward
a
registration form. It will be a blast and there is always great
information
shared. Hope to see all of you there!!
Jim Metzger Director, TCFG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/12/2005 4:18:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
PS. Jim, did you get my email about fixing the question marks in your
article?
No?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts suppliers |
Mason,
There are no addresses on the list, only states.
You will receive the list soon.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
> MM, DON'T YOU DARE CHECK THE COMMANDER LIST YOU PUT TOGETHER. 910
COLLIER ST. FORT WORTH, TX 76102. THANK YOU MASON DON'T MIND ME I AM
JUST A SMARTASS.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 6:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
>
>
>
> Mason,
>
> Please send me your mailing address, and we will mail it to you.
>
> Regards
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>>
> To: >
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
>
>
> >
> > mm, may i get a copy also? mason
> >
> > >From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>>
> > >Reply-To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > >To:
>
> > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:28:54 -0700
> > >
>
> > >
> > >Jim,
> > >
> > >Would be most happy to send you a copy. Email your postal address to
me
> > >and
> > >I will get a photo copy sent to you. If anyone else needs a copy
please
> > >email your mailing address to moe@rosspistons
and I will one out.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Moe Mills
> > >N680RR
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jim Addington"
>
> > >To:
>
> > >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > > >
> > > > Moe,
> > > > I was there but missed the list of suppliers, is there any way I
could
> > >get
> > >a
> > > > copy.
> > > > Jim Addington
> > > > N444BD
> > > > jtaddington(at)charter.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com@matronics.com>
> > > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> > > > To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > >
> > > > Tom,
> > > > When we had the meeting last year in Kansas City, our most
gracious
> > >host,
> > > > John Towner, gave us a list of the suppliers that he uses. He
lists
> his
> > > > supplier as being LP Aero Plastics, Rd. #1, Box 201B, Jeanette, PA
> > >15644.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't used LP personally, however, the list seems to be
excellent.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Moe
> > > > N680RR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Moe
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
> > > > To:
>
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > > >
> > > >
> > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > tf, perkins plastics 817-877-1966, also known as perkins
aircraft
> > > > services 2300 w 6th st fort worth, tx 76102. mason
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Tom
Fisher>
> > > > > To:
> >
>commander-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
>>
> > > > >
> > > > > While trying to find parts, I looked up Perkins Plastics
> > >325-673-9300
> > > > but a Perkins Insurance Company voice mail answers that phone.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have called LP Aero Plastics 724-744-4448 they only sell
> wholesale
> > >and
> > > > will not even talk to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have called TCAC 360-435-9797 they will not sell to an
aircraft
> > >owner,
> > > > only to a dealer.
> > > > >
> > > > > So buying/finding parts is next to impossible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom F.
> > > > > C-GISS
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts suppliers |
mm, tnx ur hlp. mason
>From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:49:33 -0700
>
>
>Mason,
>
>There are no addresses on the list, only states.
>
>You will receive the list soon.
>
>Moe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)msn.com>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
>
>
>
> >
> > MM, DON'T YOU DARE CHECK THE COMMANDER LIST YOU PUT TOGETHER. 910
>COLLIER ST. FORT WORTH, TX 76102. THANK YOU MASON DON'T MIND ME I AM
>JUST A SMARTASS.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 6:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> >
> >
>>
> >
> > Mason,
> >
> > Please send me your mailing address, and we will mail it to you.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Moe
> > N680RR
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>>
> > To:
>>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> >
> >
>>
> > >
> > > mm, may i get a copy also? mason
> > >
> > > >From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>>
> > > >Reply-To:
>commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > >To:
>>
> > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:28:54 -0700
> > > >
>>
> > > >
> > > >Jim,
> > > >
> > > >Would be most happy to send you a copy. Email your postal address
>to
>me
> > > >and
> > > >I will get a photo copy sent to you. If anyone else needs a copy
>please
> > > >email your mailing address to
>moe@rosspistons
>and I will one out.
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >
> > > >Moe Mills
> > > >N680RR
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Jim Addington"
>>
> > > >To:
>>
> > > >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Moe,
> > > > > I was there but missed the list of suppliers, is there any way I
>could
> > > >get
> > > >a
> > > > > copy.
> > > > > Jim Addington
> > > > > N444BD
> > > > > jtaddington(at)charter.net
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From:
>owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com@matronics.com>
> > > > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>Moe
> > > > > To:
>commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > > > >
> > > > >
>>
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom,
> > > > > When we had the meeting last year in Kansas City, our most
>gracious
> > > >host,
> > > > > John Towner, gave us a list of the suppliers that he uses. He
>lists
> > his
> > > > > supplier as being LP Aero Plastics, Rd. #1, Box 201B, Jeanette,
>PA
> > > >15644.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't used LP personally, however, the list seems to be
>excellent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Moe
> > > > > N680RR
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Moe
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
>>
> > > > > To:
>>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tf, perkins plastics 817-877-1966, also known as perkins
>aircraft
> > > > > services 2300 w 6th st fort worth, tx 76102. mason
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Tom
>Fisherca>>
> > > > > > To:
> > >
> >commander-list(at)matronics.commander-list(at)matronics.com>>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:48 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Parts suppliers
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
>sher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While trying to find parts, I looked up Perkins Plastics
> > > >325-673-9300
> > > > > but a Perkins Insurance Company voice mail answers that phone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have called LP Aero Plastics 724-744-4448 they only sell
> > wholesale
> > > >and
> > > > > will not even talk to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have called TCAC 360-435-9797 they will not sell to an
>aircraft
> > > >owner,
> > > > > only to a dealer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So buying/finding parts is next to impossible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom F.
> > > > > > C-GISS
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com |
Alan Kucheck
Welcome to Sandia Airpark Estates... Heard from Terry on Saturday that you
bought the lot across from where I keep 500S N261JG.
Jorge Gonzalez
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Just got my TCFG Newsletter...thanks Jim for all of your hard work. Looking
forward to seeing many fellow Commander Folks at the Fly-in in September.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day Jim,
You are a champion!
Count me in...I look forward to a West Coast fly-in.
Kind of makes us feel even closer to the action down here in Oz!
Any excuse to have a "play" in John V's backyard!
Cheers
Russell
---- Original message ----
>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:10:20 EDT
>From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
>Subject: Commander-List: 2005 FLYIN!
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>HI KIDS.
>
> Just to let everyone know. The 2005 Twin commander Flight Group
>flyin and convention will be held in Marina California (Near Monterey)
Sept
>22-25 Thursday will be an arrival day and "Pizza Party" Tech.
Workshops and
>Seminars begin Friday AM and are intended for the "boys" (everyone is
welcome)
>The gals will join us for lunch and the afternoon will be spent having fun
>together seeing local attractions. I am planing a fly-out for Saturday
>afternoon (maybe a poker run).
> I have blocked 30 rooms and am talking with Enterprise rent a car
about
>delivering cars to the airport. The meeting facility at Marina looks great!
> Sat evening awards banquet location TBA, but will probably be a little
>less formal that before and feature Mexican food (in keeping with the
location)
> If you are interested in attending, let me know and I will forward a
>registration form. It will be a blast and there is always great information
>shared. Hope to see all of you there!!
>
>Jim Metzger Director, TCFG
>
>
===============
===============
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck(at)borland.com> |
Jorge:
Thanks much!
I'm really looking forward to getting established there, but it will be
a while. I expect to be out to Sandia a few times in between now and
the Fly-In. I'm sure I'll have lots of questions for you.
Are you planning on making it out to Marina in September?
ak
-----Original Message-----
From: AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com [mailto:AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com]
Subject: Re: Commander-List: NICE FLIGHT
Alan Kucheck
Welcome to Sandia Airpark Estates... Heard from Terry on Saturday that
you
bought the lot across from where I keep 500S N261JG.
Jorge Gonzalez
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/13/2005 12:08:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
Just got my TCFG Newsletter
Thanks Randy. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I just got the newsletter. JB you did a great job.
I have some dumb questions.
1. The trim actuator from Central Air, is this the cause/solution of Larry
Wokrals frozen trim when he lost an engine a few month ago?
2. AD98-08-19 (SB223), Is this the wing attachment point near the leading
edge of the wing where they cut a hole in the leading edge and add a patch?
John talked about doing the inspection from inside the cabin with a bore
scope device?
JB, thank you again. The check is in the mail.
Tylor Hall
970-946-7472
AK, call me the next time you to NM. I do not live far from 1N1.
Jorge, I live in 4 Hill in ABQ. We should get together sometime.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/13/2005 9:29:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
1. The trim actuator from Central Air, is this the cause/solution of Larry
Wokrals frozen trim when he lost an engine a few month ago?
2. AD98-08-19 (SB223), Is this the wing attachment point near the
leading
edge of the wing where they cut a hole in the leading edge and add a patch?
John talked about doing the inspection from inside the cabin with a bore
scope device?
Yes, this is the part that freezes in icing. No, Replacing it with a new
one probably wont solve the problem. The turbo Commanders (certified into
known ice) have a heated boot that covers the trim system.
Yes, SB 223 is the leading edge inspection doors. The AD only effects
airplanes with 6000hr TT or more and is repeated every 1000hr. Instead of adding
the doors (not possible with John's TKS de-ice system), he has approval to do
the inspection with a Bore-scope making only a small, round hole. This AD
should never have happened. It occurred before my tenure with the group.
Unfortunate, now we must live with it forever. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: NewsLetter & SB223 |
In a message dated 14-Jun-05 09:37:47 Pacific Daylight Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
writes:
This AD should never have happened. It occurred before my tenure with the
group.
When SB 223 was proposed, many of us (TCFG, Dick Wartinger of Commander-Aero,
John Towner) made quite a ruckus.
Dick Wartinger's assessment was that the brackets that were showing up
cracked were probably cracked during the aircraft's manufacture.
However, at the time (1996-1998), Twin Commander Aircraft Corp. was dealing
with a bucket full of aging aircraft issues and it's my opinion that SB-223 was
released as a C-Y-A, just as the wing spar inspection was as much a data
gathering look at the fleet as it was a structural look inside.
I'm glad that John Towner has made many of his mods and inspection processes
available to the general Aero Commander public. He's a great guy.
Speaking of truly great guys, I received my news letter as well and was
completely blown away by the news that Russell Legg maneuvered to save s/n#1 in
Japan.
After the chatter on this email net died down, I figured she was doomed. I
am elated that she's still around. Well done, Mr. Legg!
Capt. JimBob, the newsletter looks better and better with each issue and I
salute you. I'm also sending in my membership dues.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
1.67 SARE_ADLTSUB2 Contains possible adult words
Fellow Commander drivers:
Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from blowing up
when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had several food items,
two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink cartridges from my
portable printer blow up.
Thanks!
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Move the items to the pressurized portion of the aircraft or unseal
everything.
Tom F.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Blow Ups
>
> Fellow Commander drivers:
>
> Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
blowing up when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had
several food items, two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink
cartridges from my portable printer blow up.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moe
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 6/14/2005 12:26:06 PM Central Standard Time,
moe(at)rosspistons.com writes:
> Fellow Commander drivers:
>
> Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from blowing
> up when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had several
> food items, two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink cartridges
> from my portable printer blow up.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moe
Hi, Moe
Without saying buy a 720, FLP, etc. there's no other way except get a 5
gallon pressure vessel such as a paint pressure cannister with screw down locking
bolts and put your stuff in it. When I pack lotions, shampoo, etc, I only bring
half full ones, expel most of the air and then put them in my overnight
bag..........
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Tom,
Thanks, but ever try to transport unsealed paint in the front, and my potato
chips get stale opened. I had in mind some type of container.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
>
> Move the items to the pressurized portion of the aircraft or unseal
> everything.
> Tom F.
> C-GISS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Blow Ups
>
>
> >
> > Fellow Commander drivers:
> >
> > Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
> blowing up when flying at altitude. In the luggage compartment I have had
> several food items, two half full cans of paint, and most recently the ink
> cartridges from my portable printer blow up.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Moe
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
moe(at)rosistons.com writes:
Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
> blowing up when flying at altitude.
Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have you lost
your mind?
I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't want to
turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone.
There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized to
suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that you'd
want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree.
I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too Expensive)
stores of that type.
What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long.
As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the lids just
a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool
temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed items such
as ink
cartridges ... are a problem.
Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You can buy
what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS ground in
advance.
There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough money.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
KG, YOU CAN FIND WATER TIGHT SEALED CONTAINERS MILITARY SURPLUS THAT WILL ALSO
WORK. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD SINCE WE PAID FOR THEM ALREADY. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
moe(at)rosistons.com writes:
Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
> blowing up when flying at altitude.
Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have you lost
your mind?
I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't want to
turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone.
There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized to
suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that you'd
want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree.
I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too Expensive)
stores of that type.
What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long.
As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the lids just
a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool
temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed items such
as ink
cartridges ... are a problem.
Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You can buy
what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS ground
in
advance.
There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough money.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:
> There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized to
> suitcase sized.
You're probably thinking of "Pelican", Keith. We use a lot of their
cases to put custom electronic doo-dads in. VERY nice, very robust and
they're not terribly expensive if you buy through industrial outlets
rather than Sharper Image type places.
http://www.pelicanproducts.us
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | 500A Aero Commander Article |
OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the
500A if anyone is interested.
If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is not
on purpose.
Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you
have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox.
Thanks,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
The military unit with four snap locks on the lid work real good. Went
from Vernal Utah to New Port beach with my regulator and other equipment
and had a tough time getting the lid off. So I am sure it would hold
pressure going the other way.
Bobby
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
KG, YOU CAN FIND WATER TIGHT SEALED CONTAINERS MILITARY SURPLUS THAT
WILL ALSO WORK. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD SINCE WE PAID FOR THEM ALREADY.
MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
moe(at)rosistons.com writes:
Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
> blowing up when flying at altitude.
Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have
you lost
your mind?
I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't
want to
turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone.
There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera
sized to
suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that
you'd
want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree.
I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too
Expensive)
stores of that type.
What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long.
As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the
lids just
a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool
temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed
items such as ink
cartridges ... are a problem.
Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You
can buy
what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS
ground in
advance.
There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough
money.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 500A Aero Commander Article |
Not to be confused with the March 1960 "500" Report from last week.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | 500A Aero Commander Article |
Bert, I think I do have enough space. Please send off list to
steveg(at)nternet.com
Thanks,
AC500 N6291B L31 St. Tammany
A35 N49KB Same
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article
OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the
500A if anyone is interested.
If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is
not
on purpose.
Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you
have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox.
Thanks,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 500A Aero Commander Article |
BB, I WOULD LIKE ONE ALSO. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: steve<mailto:steveg(at)nternet.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article
Bert, I think I do have enough space. Please send off list to
steveg(at)nternet.com
Thanks,
AC500 N6291B L31 St. Tammany
A35 N49KB Same
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article
OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on the
500A if anyone is interested.
If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is
not
on purpose.
Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure you
have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox.
Thanks,
Bert
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 500A Aero Commander Article |
I'd like to have one.
Thanks Bert.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article
>
> OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on
the
> 500A if anyone is interested.
>
> If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it is
not
> on purpose.
>
> Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure
you
> have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
>
>
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| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | 500A Aero Commander Article |
Bert, I would appreciate getting the 1960 Flying report. Please send to
Sigurdls(at)yahoo.com
Thank you
Bobby
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: 500A Aero Commander Article
OK Guys, I recently acquired the September 1960 "FLYING" Pilot Report on
the
500A if anyone is interested.
If you asked for any of these, and don't receive them, let me know, it
is not
on purpose.
Because these are in .pdf format, they take up alot of space, so besure
you
have at least 10 mb of space in your mailbox.
Thanks,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Thanks guys! I had forgotten about the old military cases that we used for
our race car parts at Bonneville back in the mid '70's. Tomorrow I will hit
the local military surplus store.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blow Ups
>
> The military unit with four snap locks on the lid work real good. Went
> from Vernal Utah to New Port beach with my regulator and other equipment
> and had a tough time getting the lid off. So I am sure it would hold
> pressure going the other way.
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
> CHEVAILLIER
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
>
>
>
> KG, YOU CAN FIND WATER TIGHT SEALED CONTAINERS MILITARY SURPLUS THAT
> WILL ALSO WORK. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD SINCE WE PAID FOR THEM ALREADY.
> MASON
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
>
>
> CloudCraft(at)aol.com
>
> In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
> moe(at)rosistons.com writes:
> Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
> > blowing up when flying at altitude.
>
> Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have
> you lost
> your mind?
>
> I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't
> want to
> turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone.
>
> There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera
> sized to
> suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that
> you'd
> want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree.
>
> I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too
> Expensive)
> stores of that type.
>
> What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long.
>
> As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the
> lids just
> a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool
> temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed
> items such as ink
> cartridges ... are a problem.
>
> Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You
> can buy
> what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS
> ground in
> advance.
>
> There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough
> money.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
>>>
Those are the ones, Chris. Excellent. Thanks.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
UPS Ground!!! I'm not going to get my overhaul that way.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blow Ups
>
> In a message dated 14-Jun-05 11:10:22 Pacific Daylight Time,
> moe(at)rosistons.com writes:
> Does anyone have a cheap, quick, and simple way to keep things from
>> blowing up when flying at altitude.
>
> Cheap, quick and simple ... in aviation?!!??!? Good god, Man! Have you
> lost
> your mind?
>
> I have a complex and expensive remedy -- and I understand you don't want
> to
> turn the cabin of your 680FP into a cargo zone.
>
> There is a company who makes hermetically sealed cases; from camera sized
> to
> suitcase sized. They also have pressure relieve valves on them that you'd
> want to defeat so the cases stay pressurized to some degree.
>
> I've seen these at camera stores and Sharper Image and other (Too
> Expensive)
> stores of that type.
>
> What I don't know is how many psi they'll hold, and for how long.
>
> As for paint and other noxious cargo, you may just have to open the lids
> just
> a tiny bit to keep the containers from popping open and hope the cool
> temperatures at altitude keep the contents from drying out. Sealed items
> such as ink
> cartridges ... are a problem.
>
> Oh! Wait! I do have a cheap, easy, simple remedy. I forgot. You can
> buy
> what you need when you get to where you're going, or, send it via UPS
> ground in
> advance.
>
> There isn't any problem in aviation that can't be solved with enough
> money.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
>
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Folks,
As I recall, there is a provision in the FARs to review ADs.
Is this a suitable subject for such an application to be made.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 02:36 15/06/2005, you wrote:
>
>
>In a message dated 6/13/2005 9:29:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>1. The trim actuator from Central Air, is this the cause/solution of Larry
>Wokrals frozen trim when he lost an engine a few month ago?
>
>2. AD98-08-19 (SB223), Is this the wing attachment point near the
>leading
>edge of the wing where they cut a hole in the leading edge and add a patch?
>John talked about doing the inspection from inside the cabin with a bore
>scope device?
>
>
>Yes, this is the part that freezes in icing. No, Replacing it with a new
>one probably wont solve the problem. The turbo Commanders (certified into
>known ice) have a heated boot that covers the trim system.
>
>Yes, SB 223 is the leading edge inspection doors. The AD only effects
>airplanes with 6000hr TT or more and is repeated every 1000hr. Instead
>of adding
>the doors (not possible with John's TKS de-ice system), he has
>approval to do
>the inspection with a Bore-scope making only a small, round hole. This AD
>should never have happened. It occurred before my tenure with the group.
>Unfortunate, now we must live with it forever. jb
>
>
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| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: 500A Aero Commander Article |
Bert,
I would like a copy of the article also. Thanks
Mike
Commander NW LTD
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 500A Aero Commander Article |
Ditto on a copy...
Victor
V-Man@V-Man.net
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE: 500A Aero Commander Article |
Here you go,
Enjoy,
Bert
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| From: | Derek Monk <britmonk(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 500 Aero Commander Article |
Bert,
Are there two articles or one. If two I would like a copy of each. Thanks.
Derek E Monk
BertBerry1(at)AOL.COM wrote:
>
>Let me know if you didn't get a copy of the article and requested one.
>Sometimes I miss one or two.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bert
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hello Commander fans,
I am planning on flying 53X back to Oshkosh, and have one more seat
available (for a total of 4 of us...now that's comfort..!!)...if any of you
are interested. We will probably depart SBP (San Luis Obispo, CA) on Sunday
7/31 for a leisurely 2 day journey, to arrive at OSH on Monday afternoon
(the day before it opens). Then we'll head back to sunny California on the
following weekend. You can join us at SBP for the departure, or if
reasonably convenient, we can stop along the way to pick you up.
I hope to park in the "Vintage Aircraft" area and camp under the wing. The
"Vintage Aircraft" area is usually down at the approach end of runway 36,
and if they park us like the last time, it will be at the end of the row
(for "BIG" airplanes) - right next to the runway.
In fact, it would really be cool, if we got a bunch of Commanders to go, and
all park all together. What do your think..??
If anybody is interested in joining the fun and comfort of travel in a 680F
(and participating in buying the gas...) shoot me an email or give me a
call.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
805 541 4864
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Randy,
I say this every year, but if I can swing it, I'm going to try to fly 3CC to
the event with a couple of friends. Perhaps off-list we can get together to
discuss camping spots/parking etc.
I'll know how feasible the trip will be by late next week, probably. I can
give you a call after that to chat.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Oshkosh
>
> Hello Commander fans,
> I am planning on flying 53X back to Oshkosh, and have one more seat
> available (for a total of 4 of us...now that's comfort..!!)...if any of
you
> are interested. We will probably depart SBP (San Luis Obispo, CA) on
Sunday
> 7/31 for a leisurely 2 day journey, to arrive at OSH on Monday afternoon
> (the day before it opens). Then we'll head back to sunny California on
the
> following weekend. You can join us at SBP for the departure, or if
> reasonably convenient, we can stop along the way to pick you up.
>
> I hope to park in the "Vintage Aircraft" area and camp under the wing.
The
> "Vintage Aircraft" area is usually down at the approach end of runway 36,
> and if they park us like the last time, it will be at the end of the row
> (for "BIG" airplanes) - right next to the runway.
>
> In fact, it would really be cool, if we got a bunch of Commanders to go,
and
> all park all together. What do your think..??
>
> If anybody is interested in joining the fun and comfort of travel in a
680F
> (and participating in buying the gas...) shoot me an email or give me a
> call.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
> 805 541 4864
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/16/2005 5:43:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
In fact, it would really be cool, if we got a bunch of Commanders to go, and
all park all together. What do your think..??
Great idea!!. I dont think I can make it, but how about it guys??
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| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs |
I discovered that these bulbs are not applicable to all applications of
the #327 28 volt bulbs. Be advised that these bulbs will not work in
the eyebrow units that light all the instruments in my 500 shrike. They
will work only in the push to test and the post light units. It must
have something to do with how the bulbs ground in the eyebrow light
units. I ordered 25 of them thinking I could use them in the eyebrows.
If anyone wants them let me know.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Subject: Commander-List: Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs
Hi all,
I just acquired a bunch of white LED lamps that are direct replacements
for the standard #327 28-volt bulbs that we all have in our Commanders.
Compared to the incandescent #327 bulb, these are brighter, whiter in
color, use a *lot* less current and therefore run a *lot* cooler, are
immune to shock and vibration, and for all practical purposes will never
burn out (rated MTBF is >100,000 hours). I changed out all of the bulbs
in my "push-to-test" indicators, and they are now not only brighter and
easier to see in daylight, but I'll never have to worry about a failed
bulb scaring me into thinking that one of my wheels is not down and
locked.
I have more of these lamps than I'll ever need, and I'd be happy to sell
them at my cost of $2.50 each, plus postage. It may or may not seem a
bit pricey (depending on how long you've been around airplanes), but for
reference, one LED lamp is priced between $7 and $10 from the
distributors. And just think--you'll never have to change one of these
again!
If you're interested, please e-mail me.
Stan
N548GQ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Long-life white LED replacements for #327 bulbs (Part |
Deux)
Hello Group!
I have just acquired the second (and probably the last) lot of
#327-style 28-volt LED lamps. If you want some and haven't gotten them
from me yet, please let me know and I'll set them aside. Even if you
asked me earlier to reserve some for you, please let me know again so
that I can be sure 1) that you still want them, and 2) that you will get
them.
All of the people who have paid me for these lamps should already have
received them from me. If not, please let me know right away.
As I said in my original posting to the group, I installed these LED
lamps in my plane to replace the #327 bulbs in the "push-to-test"
landing gear indicator lights and a few other "push-to-test" indicator
lights. I did not try them in any other applications, such as instrument
post lighting, instrument eyebrow lighting, internal instrument or radio
lighting, instrument panel backlighting, other types of indicator or
warning lamps, or anywhere else.
I recently received one anecdotal report from someone who tried them in
eyebrow instrument lights and thought that they did not provide adequate
illumination. After receiving this report and examining the lamps more
closely, I concluded that the inadequate illumination was probably
because these LED lamps are designed so that most of their light
radiates from the end of the lamp, with a lot less light radiating out
the sides.
Therefore, please be aware that there may be some limitations in using
these bulbs in applications other than the push-to-test (or similar
style) indicator lights.
I can't possibly test these lamps in every possible application, so
please keep the above in mind when you order them. However, in the
interest of TCFG peace and harmony, in case you should find--or have
already found--that these LED lamps are unsuitable for your needs, just
return them to me and I'll cheerfully refund your money.
Regards,
Stan
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| From: | "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com> |
randy, i am usually one of the few commanders at oshkosh and i have been the only
one several years. i plan to arrive wednesday and stay until friday. if we
get some paint touched up, we will get it judged. see you there. i am coming
from florida lna but we have six on board. al hoffman n628ah.
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Hi, fellows
Steve and I will try to make it, also.
Rob
In a message dated 6/17/2005 12:05:52 AM Central Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
>
> Randy,
>
> I say this every year, but if I can swing it, I'm going to try to fly 3CC to
> the event with a couple of friends. Perhaps off-list we can get together to
> discuss camping spots/parking etc.
>
> I'll know how feasible the trip will be by late next week, probably. I can
> give you a call after that to chat.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To: "Commander Chat"
> Subject: Commander-List: Oshkosh
>
>
>
> >
> >Hello Commander fans,
> >I am planning on flying 53X back to Oshkosh, and have one more seat
> >available (for a total of 4 of us...now that's comfort..!!)...if any of
> you
> >are interested. We will probably depart SBP (San Luis Obispo, CA) on
> Sunday
> >7/31 for a leisurely 2 day journey, to arrive at OSH on Monday afternoon
> >(the day before it opens). Then we'll head back to sunny California on
> the
> >following weekend. You can join us at SBP for the departure, or if
> >reasonably convenient, we can stop along the way to pick you up.
> >
> >I hope to park in the "Vintage Aircraft" area and camp under the wing.
> The
> >"Vintage Aircraft" area is usually down at the approach end of runway 36,
> >and if they park us like the last time, it will be at the end of the row
> >(for "BIG" airplanes) - right next to the runway.
> >
> >In fact, it would really be cool, if we got a bunch of Commanders to go,
> and
> >all park all together. What do your think..??
> >
> >If anybody is interested in joining the fun and comfort of travel in a
> 680F
> >(and participating in buying the gas...) shoot me an email or give me a
> >call.
> >
> >Randy Dettmer
> >680F/N6253X
> >
> >805 541 4864
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
Hi Guys!
My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not been able
to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated September 9th
1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
As you all probably know, it first flew in April 1948, so there's a seven-and-a
half-year gap that needs looking at.
So, I need to investigate where the paperwork is. It doesn't appear that the FAA
Records Center in Oklahoma City has this, the file they do have has been fully
researched.
I am therefore wondering, in the absence of full knowledge how these things
work, whether the FAA office, which presumably would have been local to Culver
City, has the paperwork stashed away somewhere. This begs the question, is that
same office still there, or was it closed, with the records sent elsewhere?
If anyone is local to that area, would you be kind enough to let me know which
office (FSDO?) is a likely candidate and I will get in contact with them.
Anybody with any other suggestions, please let me know.
Thanks chaps!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:02:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Guys!
My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not been
able
to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated September
9th
1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
Good Morning Barry,
I am afraid I have no real suggestions as to where you may find the data you
want, but I may be able to add a bit of insight as to how such records have
been treated by others in the industry.
Back in the early seventies, I was a partner in a fifteen person flying club
that owned a Douglas DC-3. Since I was the operations officer, it was my
job to handle the records as well as do the training on the aircraft.
While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company. What I
found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old, they had
dumped all records of the aircraft. I did make contact with a retired
Douglas engineer who had been there when the decision was made to trash the
records. He had taken it upon himself to save what he could from the dumpster.
The records he saved were residing in his garage.
I did manage to obtain quite a bit of information from that fine gentleman.
Unfortunately, most folks thirty or forty years ago did not envision that
anyone would care what had happened to a twenty or thirty year old airplane let
alone still be flying them.
Good luck in your search, but don't be surprised if the records have been
lost.
Try the local old folks home!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
Thanks Bob.
I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local old folks
home may not be a bad idea!!
One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's son.
He attended a couple of Fly-Ins a few years back, but has dropped off the radar
screen of people who know him.
Ron is going to be a most valuable source of information for the early days of
the Aero Design & Engineering Company.
Again, if anyone has any possible leads, Please, let me know!
Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobsV35B(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
|
|
| In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:02:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
|
| Hi Guys!
|
| My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not been
| able
| to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated September
| 9th
| 1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
|
|
| Good Morning Barry,
|
| I am afraid I have no real suggestions as to where you may find the data you
| want, but I may be able to add a bit of insight as to how such records have
| been treated by others in the industry.
|
| Back in the early seventies, I was a partner in a fifteen person flying club
| that owned a Douglas DC-3. Since I was the operations officer, it was my
| job to handle the records as well as do the training on the aircraft.
|
| While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company. What I
| found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old, they had
| dumped all records of the aircraft. I did make contact with a retired
| Douglas engineer who had been there when the decision was made to trash the
| records. He had taken it upon himself to save what he could from the
dumpster.
| The records he saved were residing in his garage.
|
| I did manage to obtain quite a bit of information from that fine gentleman.
|
| Unfortunately, most folks thirty or forty years ago did not envision that
| anyone would care what had happened to a twenty or thirty year old airplane
let
| alone still be flying them.
|
| Good luck in your search, but don't be surprised if the records have been
| lost.
|
| Try the local old folks home!
|
| Happy Skies,
|
| Old Bob
| AKA
| Bob Siegfried
| Ancient Aviator
| Stearman N3977A
| Brookeridge Airpark LL22
| Downers Grove, IL 60516
| 630 985-8502
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:42:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local old
folks
home may not be a bad idea!!
One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's son.
That does bring up another thought.
This is off the list, but I wonder if it might not be helpful to contact
George Braly of Tornado Alley Turbos and General Aviation Modifications fame.
(_gwbraly(at)gami.com_ (mailto:gwbraly(at)gami.com) )
He is the chief engineer as well as being the lead spokesman.
His first job after gaining his aeronautical engineering degree was with Ted
Smith during the Aerostar days.
It is certainly possible that he may know of one of the older folks who may
have the Aero Commander information you want.
I have taken the liberty of copying George on this message.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
In a message dated 6/17/2005 9:11:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
BobsV35B(at)aol.com writes:
This is off the list, but I wonder if it might not be helpful to contact
George Braly of Tornado Alley Turbos and General Aviation Modifications
fame.
(_gwbraly(at)gami.com_ (mailto:gwbraly(at)gami.com) )
Well guys, I goofed!!
I meant to send that message only to Barry and George, but didn't get the
address properly changed.
Sorry about that!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hey John...that's great. Hope you can swing it.
Talk to you soon.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Oshkosh
Randy,
I say this every year, but if I can swing it, I'm going to try to fly 3CC to
the event with a couple of friends. Perhaps off-list we can get together to
discuss camping spots/parking etc.
I'll know how feasible the trip will be by late next week, probably. I can
give you a call after that to chat.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Oshkosh
>
> Hello Commander fans,
> I am planning on flying 53X back to Oshkosh, and have one more seat
> available (for a total of 4 of us...now that's comfort..!!)...if any of
you
> are interested. We will probably depart SBP (San Luis Obispo, CA) on
Sunday
> 7/31 for a leisurely 2 day journey, to arrive at OSH on Monday afternoon
> (the day before it opens). Then we'll head back to sunny California on
the
> following weekend. You can join us at SBP for the departure, or if
> reasonably convenient, we can stop along the way to pick you up.
>
> I hope to park in the "Vintage Aircraft" area and camp under the wing.
The
> "Vintage Aircraft" area is usually down at the approach end of runway 36,
> and if they park us like the last time, it will be at the end of the row
> (for "BIG" airplanes) - right next to the runway.
>
> In fact, it would really be cool, if we got a bunch of Commanders to go,
and
> all park all together. What do your think..??
>
> If anybody is interested in joining the fun and comfort of travel in a
680F
> (and participating in buying the gas...) shoot me an email or give me a
> call.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
> 805 541 4864
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Last time I was there (3 years ago), there were only two Commanders in
attendence. Looking forward to seeing you on Wednesday.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
alh1(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Oshkosh
randy, i am usually one of the few commanders at oshkosh and i have been the
only one several years. i plan to arrive wednesday and stay until friday.
if we get some paint touched up, we will get it judged. see you there. i
am coming from florida lna but we have six on board. al hoffman n628ah.
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
Hi Bob,
Been there, done that (Very many times!)
Thanks for the lead though. I'll follow it up, for sure.
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobsV35B(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
|
|
| In a message dated 6/17/2005 9:11:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
| BobsV35B(at)aol.com writes:
|
| This is off the list, but I wonder if it might not be helpful to contact
| George Braly of Tornado Alley Turbos and General Aviation Modifications
| fame.
| (_gwbraly(at)gami.com_ (mailto:gwbraly(at)gami.com) )
|
|
| Well guys, I goofed!!
|
| I meant to send that message only to Barry and George, but didn't get the
| address properly changed.
|
| Sorry about that!
|
| Happy Skies,
|
| Old Bob
| AKA
| Bob Siegfried
| Ancient Aviator
| Stearman N3977A
| Brookeridge Airpark LL22
| Downers Grove, IL 60516
| 630 985-8502
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
In a message dated 17-Jun-05 05:35:00 Pacific Daylight Time, BobsV35B(at)aol.com
writes:
While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company. What I
found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old, they had
dumped all records of the aircraft.
>
>
This is tragic -- and exactly parallels what I was told by the Rockwell
historian about 8 years ago when I was researching some Aero Commander history.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
Barry,
One of the interesting things I've run into is a local pilot whose brother
married one of Ted Smith's granddaughters (I think). He informed me that his
brother/sister in law have boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in their
attic, and no real use for it. I'm trying to set up a meeting to see what
they have, and find out exactly what relationship exists between Ted & this
gentleman's wife. Who knows, maybe there will be something on L-3805.
Maybe I can even talk them into attending our fly-in.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Thanks Bob.
>
> I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local old
folks
> home may not be a bad idea!!
>
> One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's son.
>
> He attended a couple of Fly-Ins a few years back, but has dropped off the
radar
> screen of people who know him.
>
> Ron is going to be a most valuable source of information for the early
days of
> the Aero Design & Engineering Company.
>
> Again, if anyone has any possible leads, Please, let me know!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry C.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BobsV35B(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
>
>
> |
> |
> | In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:02:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> | barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> |
> | Hi Guys!
> |
> | My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not
been
> | able
> | to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated
September
> | 9th
> | 1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
> |
> |
> | Good Morning Barry,
> |
> | I am afraid I have no real suggestions as to where you may find the data
you
> | want, but I may be able to add a bit of insight as to how such records
have
> | been treated by others in the industry.
> |
> | Back in the early seventies, I was a partner in a fifteen person flying
club
> | that owned a Douglas DC-3. Since I was the operations officer, it was
my
> | job to handle the records as well as do the training on the aircraft.
> |
> | While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company.
What I
> | found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old,
they had
> | dumped all records of the aircraft. I did make contact with a retired
> | Douglas engineer who had been there when the decision was made to trash
the
> | records. He had taken it upon himself to save what he could from the
> dumpster.
> | The records he saved were residing in his garage.
> |
> | I did manage to obtain quite a bit of information from that fine
gentleman.
> |
> | Unfortunately, most folks thirty or forty years ago did not envision
that
> | anyone would care what had happened to a twenty or thirty year old
airplane
> let
> | alone still be flying them.
> |
> | Good luck in your search, but don't be surprised if the records have
been
> | lost.
> |
> | Try the local old folks home!
> |
> | Happy Skies,
> |
> | Old Bob
> | AKA
> | Bob Siegfried
> | Ancient Aviator
> | Stearman N3977A
> | Brookeridge Airpark LL22
> | Downers Grove, IL 60516
> | 630 985-8502
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
Hi John,
Firstly, thank goodness one of the things you haven't run into is a hangar!!
"Boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in their attic, and no real use for
it". That's enough! My blood pressure was high enough already without this
excitement!!
This sounds really very, very interesting John. I'm certain that Ron told us he
had a lot of early material in the family archives, and we book-compilers really
*need* to have a look through it all. Did Ted have just one son? Does Ron have
a
daughter? It'll certainly be interesting to find out more.
Please, try and do what you can to see what they have. I really am most
interested.
Well done Mate!
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
|
| Barry,
|
| One of the interesting things I've run into is a local pilot whose brother
| married one of Ted Smith's granddaughters (I think). He informed me that his
| brother/sister in law have boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in their
| attic, and no real use for it. I'm trying to set up a meeting to see what
| they have, and find out exactly what relationship exists between Ted & this
| gentleman's wife. Who knows, maybe there will be something on L-3805.
|
| Maybe I can even talk them into attending our fly-in.
|
| /J
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To:
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
|
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Thanks Bob.
| >
| > I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local old
| folks
| > home may not be a bad idea!!
| >
| > One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's son.
| >
| > He attended a couple of Fly-Ins a few years back, but has dropped off the
| radar
| > screen of people who know him.
| >
| > Ron is going to be a most valuable source of information for the early
| days of
| > the Aero Design & Engineering Company.
| >
| > Again, if anyone has any possible leads, Please, let me know!
| >
| > Best Regards,
| > Barry C.
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: <BobsV35B(at)aol.com>
| > To:
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
| >
| >
| > |
| > |
| > | In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:02:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
| > | barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
| > |
| > | Hi Guys!
| > |
| > | My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not
| been
| > | able
| > | to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated
| September
| > | 9th
| > | 1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
| > |
| > |
| > | Good Morning Barry,
| > |
| > | I am afraid I have no real suggestions as to where you may find the data
| you
| > | want, but I may be able to add a bit of insight as to how such records
| have
| > | been treated by others in the industry.
| > |
| > | Back in the early seventies, I was a partner in a fifteen person flying
| club
| > | that owned a Douglas DC-3. Since I was the operations officer, it was
| my
| > | job to handle the records as well as do the training on the aircraft.
| > |
| > | While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company.
| What I
| > | found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old,
| they had
| > | dumped all records of the aircraft. I did make contact with a retired
| > | Douglas engineer who had been there when the decision was made to trash
| the
| > | records. He had taken it upon himself to save what he could from the
| > dumpster.
| > | The records he saved were residing in his garage.
| > |
| > | I did manage to obtain quite a bit of information from that fine
| gentleman.
| > |
| > | Unfortunately, most folks thirty or forty years ago did not envision
| that
| > | anyone would care what had happened to a twenty or thirty year old
| airplane
| > let
| > | alone still be flying them.
| > |
| > | Good luck in your search, but don't be surprised if the records have
| been
| > | lost.
| > |
| > | Try the local old folks home!
| > |
| > | Happy Skies,
| > |
| > | Old Bob
| > | AKA
| > | Bob Siegfried
| > | Ancient Aviator
| > | Stearman N3977A
| > | Brookeridge Airpark LL22
| > | Downers Grove, IL 60516
| > | 630 985-8502
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
Shouldn't we get some of that stuff on electronic media so that it can never
be destroyed?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
>
> Barry,
>
> One of the interesting things I've run into is a local pilot whose brother
> married one of Ted Smith's granddaughters (I think). He informed me that
his
> brother/sister in law have boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in
their
> attic, and no real use for it. I'm trying to set up a meeting to see what
> they have, and find out exactly what relationship exists between Ted &
this
> gentleman's wife. Who knows, maybe there will be something on L-3805.
>
> Maybe I can even talk them into attending our fly-in.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
>
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >
> > Thanks Bob.
> >
> > I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local
old
> folks
> > home may not be a bad idea!!
> >
> > One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's
son.
> >
> > He attended a couple of Fly-Ins a few years back, but has dropped off
the
> radar
> > screen of people who know him.
> >
> > Ron is going to be a most valuable source of information for the early
> days of
> > the Aero Design & Engineering Company.
> >
> > Again, if anyone has any possible leads, Please, let me know!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Barry C.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <BobsV35B(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
> >
> >
> > |
> > |
> > | In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:02:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > | barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> > |
> > | Hi Guys!
> > |
> > | My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have not
> been
> > | able
> > | to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated
> September
> > | 9th
> > | 1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
> > |
> > |
> > | Good Morning Barry,
> > |
> > | I am afraid I have no real suggestions as to where you may find the
data
> you
> > | want, but I may be able to add a bit of insight as to how such records
> have
> > | been treated by others in the industry.
> > |
> > | Back in the early seventies, I was a partner in a fifteen person
flying
> club
> > | that owned a Douglas DC-3. Since I was the operations officer, it was
> my
> > | job to handle the records as well as do the training on the aircraft.
> > |
> > | While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company.
> What I
> > | found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old,
> they had
> > | dumped all records of the aircraft. I did make contact with a
retired
> > | Douglas engineer who had been there when the decision was made to
trash
> the
> > | records. He had taken it upon himself to save what he could from the
> > dumpster.
> > | The records he saved were residing in his garage.
> > |
> > | I did manage to obtain quite a bit of information from that fine
> gentleman.
> > |
> > | Unfortunately, most folks thirty or forty years ago did not envision
> that
> > | anyone would care what had happened to a twenty or thirty year old
> airplane
> > let
> > | alone still be flying them.
> > |
> > | Good luck in your search, but don't be surprised if the records have
> been
> > | lost.
> > |
> > | Try the local old folks home!
> > |
> > | Happy Skies,
> > |
> > | Old Bob
> > | AKA
> > | Bob Siegfried
> > | Ancient Aviator
> > | Stearman N3977A
> > | Brookeridge Airpark LL22
> > | Downers Grove, IL 60516
> > | 630 985-8502
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prototype Commander - The L-3805 |
Barry,
I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this. I'll let you know as soon as I
have more info.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Firstly, thank goodness one of the things you haven't run into is a
hangar!!
>
> "Boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in their attic, and no real use
for
> it". That's enough! My blood pressure was high enough already without this
> excitement!!
>
> This sounds really very, very interesting John. I'm certain that Ron told
us he
> had a lot of early material in the family archives, and we book-compilers
really
> *need* to have a look through it all. Did Ted have just one son? Does Ron
have a
> daughter? It'll certainly be interesting to find out more.
>
> Please, try and do what you can to see what they have. I really am most
> interested.
>
> Well done Mate!
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
>
>
> |
> | Barry,
> |
> | One of the interesting things I've run into is a local pilot whose
brother
> | married one of Ted Smith's granddaughters (I think). He informed me that
his
> | brother/sister in law have boxes and boxes of Commander memorabilia in
their
> | attic, and no real use for it. I'm trying to set up a meeting to see
what
> | they have, and find out exactly what relationship exists between Ted &
this
> | gentleman's wife. Who knows, maybe there will be something on L-3805.
> |
> | Maybe I can even talk them into attending our fly-in.
> |
> | /J
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | To:
> | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
> |
> |
> | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | >
> | > Thanks Bob.
> | >
> | > I've found it quite surprising as to sources of information. The local
old
> | folks
> | > home may not be a bad idea!!
> | >
> | > One good source we seem to have lost contact with is Ron Smith, Ted's
son.
> | >
> | > He attended a couple of Fly-Ins a few years back, but has dropped off
the
> | radar
> | > screen of people who know him.
> | >
> | > Ron is going to be a most valuable source of information for the early
> | days of
> | > the Aero Design & Engineering Company.
> | >
> | > Again, if anyone has any possible leads, Please, let me know!
> | >
> | > Best Regards,
> | > Barry C.
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: <BobsV35B(at)aol.com>
> | > To:
> | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prototype Commander - The L-3805
> | >
> | >
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:02:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> | > | barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> | > |
> | > | Hi Guys!
> | > |
> | > | My research on the L-3805 isn't complete. This is because I have
not
> | been
> | > | able
> | > | to trace any form of Airworthiness Certificates until one dated
> | September
> | > | 9th
> | > | 1955, by which time some 938 hours had accrued on the aircraft.
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | Good Morning Barry,
> | > |
> | > | I am afraid I have no real suggestions as to where you may find the
data
> | you
> | > | want, but I may be able to add a bit of insight as to how such
records
> | have
> | > | been treated by others in the industry.
> | > |
> | > | Back in the early seventies, I was a partner in a fifteen person
flying
> | club
> | > | that owned a Douglas DC-3. Since I was the operations officer, it
was
> | my
> | > | job to handle the records as well as do the training on the
aircraft.
> | > |
> | > | While building my library, I contacted the Douglas Aircraft Company.
> | What I
> | > | found was, even though our airplane was less than thirty years old,
> | they had
> | > | dumped all records of the aircraft. I did make contact with a
retired
> | > | Douglas engineer who had been there when the decision was made to
trash
> | the
> | > | records. He had taken it upon himself to save what he could from
the
> | > dumpster.
> | > | The records he saved were residing in his garage.
> | > |
> | > | I did manage to obtain quite a bit of information from that fine
> | gentleman.
> | > |
> | > | Unfortunately, most folks thirty or forty years ago did not envision
> | that
> | > | anyone would care what had happened to a twenty or thirty year old
> | airplane
> | > let
> | > | alone still be flying them.
> | > |
> | > | Good luck in your search, but don't be surprised if the records have
> | been
> | > | lost.
> | > |
> | > | Try the local old folks home!
> | > |
> | > | Happy Skies,
> | > |
> | > | Old Bob
> | > | AKA
> | > | Bob Siegfried
> | > | Ancient Aviator
> | > | Stearman N3977A
> | > | Brookeridge Airpark LL22
> | > | Downers Grove, IL 60516
> | > | 630 985-8502
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
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