Europa-Archive.digest.vol-eo

February 07, 2005 - February 26, 2005



      lock were frozen or such, and the keychain electronics went south, you
      can't even break into your own car.  One of several
      standard-equipment, security systems will, beyond flashing/aural
      alarms, disable the engine.  And I have never figured out the sequence
      of things that I do leaving the vehicle in my own garage, where most
      times on next drive I merely open the door; other days its Hal 2004
      computer has locked the doors, I guess overnight!
      
      www.nytimes.com/2005/02/06/automobiles/06AUTO.html
      
      Reg,
      Fred F.
      
      
      
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From: "Ron Jones" <jronjones(at)lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Europas
Date: Feb 07, 2005
Hi Paul, I would be delighted to demonstrate my Europa XS if you would care to pop up to Sleap in your C150. My aeroplane is fitted with the engine God intended (need I say, it's a Rotax912S?) and I don't think you would complain at the lack of smoothness nor at the low fuel consumption! Fitting any engine other than the Rotax will cause more work and hassle and the factory can supply everything you will need to do so. One stop shopping must make for an easier build. Give me a call if you would like to be impressed! Regards, Ron Jones.(G-RJWX) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: 6'4" and 220 pounds
Date: Feb 07, 2005
You can always do the high top mod. That's what I did. Gives you about 2" more headroom. Dean Seitz A284 N284A -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: 6'4" and 220 pounds Hi all; will a person 6 foot, 4 inches and 220 pounds fit into an XS comfortably? Thanks Paul Boulet, N914PB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa(at)comcast.net>
Subject: John Miller
Date: Feb 07, 2005
All Does anyone know of or have contact information for a John Miller in Newark, DE. ? Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE I'm going flying tomorrow !!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Hutchinson" <hutch(at)hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Gascolator access hatch
Date: Feb 08, 2005
Hi all, I plan to install an Andair gascolator somewhere under the rear baggage bay. I don't fancy the conventional Europa type access hatch with 4 screws to undo every time I need to check the filter bowl. It appears to me that any hatch would need to be a fair size, big enough to comfortably get your fingers in to release the safety clip and locking pin. Does anyone know if the PFA would accept a 'quick release' hinged panel in this area of the structure, something similar (but bigger) to the dipstick access hatch on the cowling? Has anyone already got an approved Mod they would be prepared to share? Brian Hutchinson Lincolnshire 357 mono 912s Airmaster No forecast finish date yet, but I think I'm now in the last 5 years! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Jones" <jronjones(at)lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
Date: Feb 08, 2005
Hi Brian, I didn't like the idea of a hatch for access to my Andair watsit, either. I therefore made a tube by wrapping four plys of bid around the tubing left over from the aileron push-rods. (The tube was well waxwd first, of course!) The GRP tube is exactly the right inside diam to take a standard fuel check/tester (the clear plastic sort). I bonded the tube directly under the Andair which is fitted with the usual T-shaped drain/test valve. All I have to do now is bend down, pop the tester up the tube and push to take a sample! Hope this helps, Regds, Ron Jones. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2005
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Long / Short wing ASI?
I have a Winter ASI with Short Wing markings. What have others done when switching to Long Wings to satisfy DAR? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2005
Subject: Propeller Diameter
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>
Hi yu All, After checking the Archive, it appears that most trigear Europas are flying with a 3 blade 64" diameter C/S propeller. I'm still unclear as to whether or not the 64" diameter is appropriate for the XS mono due to difference in ground clearance. Can anyone confirm?..or advise on a smaller (say 62") C/S prop for the mono! Sorry for this elementary question, but I go by the mantra that the only stupid question is that which is not asked. Fred A194 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>
Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
Date: Feb 08, 2005
Hi all, The only comment I would make is that I had a lot of trouble with debris getting under the seat of the seal and I could never stop the darn thing dripping. I never use the drain valve any more, I just take the bowl off the bottom empty it out and put it back. regards, Paul > Hi Brian, > I didn't like the idea of a hatch for access to my Andair watsit, either. > I > therefore made a tube by wrapping four plys of bid around the tubing left > over from the aileron push-rods. (The tube was well waxwd first, of > course!) > The GRP tube is exactly the right inside diam to take a standard fuel > check/tester (the clear plastic sort). > I bonded the tube directly under the Andair which is fitted with the usual > T-shaped drain/test valve. > All I have to do now is bend down, pop the tester up the tube and push to > take a sample! > > Hope this helps, > Regds, > Ron Jones. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Long / Short wing ASI?
Date: Feb 08, 2005
> I have a Winter ASI with Short Wing markings. > > What have others done when switching to Long Wings to satisfy DAR? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris The DAR/ FAA signoff is essentially permission to go flight test for 40 hours to see what the various airspeed limits are, among everything else. It should make no difference that it's a kit, and the kit mfr has specified numbers. Maybe your flaps are reflexed a bit. And you have to determine installation error and instrument accuracy. In the interest of safety, we should have the right to determine exact stall speeds. Per the Advisory Circular for homebuilts, (AC 20-27??), the listing of the required markings/placards further does not mention ASI. This doesn't mean one might mark the instrument per Europa during construction, but only that FAA cannot make you do that. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2005
Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>
Can't the gascolator be mounted so that the push up drain valve simply extends thru the underside of the fuselage, albeit w/ a possible split fairing fore and aft for those who are hypersensitive to parasitic drag? Fred A194 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2005
From: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter <kevann(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
Yes, but then if you belly in you may break the valve off and spark a fire. Kevin A211 Fred R. Klein wrote: > >Can't the gascolator be mounted so that the push up drain valve simply >extends thru the underside of the fuselage, albeit w/ a possible split >fairing fore and aft for those who are hypersensitive to parasitic drag? > >Fred >A194 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Propeller Diameter
Date: Feb 08, 2005
A listing of UK prop sizes is shown at http://www.pfa.org.uk/engineering_services/propeller_substitution.asp then click on PFA Information Letter 36 and scroll down to page 14 + 15. The largest shown is 66" (G-OSLD, 914 tri). I wonder if it performs any better? Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> Subject: Europa-List: Propeller Diameter > > Hi yu All, > > After checking the Archive, it appears that most trigear Europas are flying > with a 3 blade 64" diameter C/S propeller. > > I'm still unclear as to whether or not the 64" diameter is appropriate for > the XS mono due to difference in ground clearance. > > Can anyone confirm?..or advise on a smaller (say 62") C/S prop for the mono! > > Sorry for this elementary question, but I go by the mantra that the only > stupid question is that which is not asked. > > Fred > A194 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2005
From: Terry Seaver <terrys(at)cisco.com>
Subject: high compression
Hi all, We have a Europa XS with Rotax 912S that has been flying about 400 hours. During our annual inspections we have been taking the cylinder compressions using an automotive compression tester. The first two inpections found the compression to be about 180 psi per cylinder. during the last inspection (about 10 months ago) the compression readings went up about 15-20 psi. At the time we thought this was probably the fault of the compression gauge, but now wonder if it might instead be real. We have had more difficult starting this past year or two than when the plane/engine were new. We have changed plugs, balanced carbs, dissasmbled and cleaned the carbs, and installed a new battery, all to no avail. I wonder if it could be the increased compression causing starting problems. Also, aren't you more likely to get detonation as the compression goes up? If/when carbon and/or lead deposits build up on the head and pistons, the compression will go up. We have heard back yard mechanic stories about pouring water or ATF (automatic trans fluid) down the carb while the engine is running to clear the deposits out. An auto mechanic friend says higher compression from carbon deposits can make a car fail a smog test (nitrous oxide emissions), and is fixed by filling the cylinders with a special cleaner overnight, then running some more thru the carb the next day. Has anyone seen their Rotax compression go up? If so, did it start harder, and what did you do to fix it? regards, Terry Seaver A135 / N135TD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn(at)rockisland.com>
Subject: Re: Propeller Diameter
Date: Feb 08, 2005
Fred,64 inch is what I have. Provided by Airmaster. I understood that is what performed best during their tests. Jerry 914 XS Mono ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> Subject: Europa-List: Propeller Diameter > > > Hi yu All, > > After checking the Archive, it appears that most trigear Europas are > flying > with a 3 blade 64" diameter C/S propeller. > > I'm still unclear as to whether or not the 64" diameter is appropriate for > the XS mono due to difference in ground clearance. > > Can anyone confirm?..or advise on a smaller (say 62") C/S prop for the > mono! > > Sorry for this elementary question, but I go by the mantra that the only > stupid question is that which is not asked. > > Fred > A194 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr(at)growzone.com.au>
Subject: Replacement Fuel Hose
Date: Feb 09, 2005
All, I am contemplating exchanging the Europa supplied fuel hoses with automotive fuel injection hose to SAE30R9 specification. This hose does not have any SS braiding so could others tell me what they have done to protect unbraided hose in the wheel well of their monos please. Any ideas gratefully received thanks. Kingsley ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>
Subject: Re: Replacement Fuel Hose
Date: Feb 08, 2005
Kingsley, With a bit of patience you can get the braid off the old hose and thread it onto the new stuff. Just put on some leather gloves, it will only take an hour or so. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr(at)growzone.com.au> > > I am contemplating exchanging the Europa supplied fuel hoses with > automotive fuel injection hose to SAE30R9 specification. > > This hose does not have any SS braiding so could others tell me what > they have done to protect unbraided hose in the wheel well of their > monos please. > > Any ideas gratefully received thanks. > > Kingsley > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan(at)blackballclub.com>
Subject: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 09, 2005
We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June starting the 18th / 19th. This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at Colditz. Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful if some one else could this trip together. Don't all rush at once! Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: high compression
Date: Feb 09, 2005
>Has anyone seen their Rotax compression go up? If so, did it start harder, and what did you do to fix it?< I have not checked them. However there are many of us finding that the starting problem is due to the starter motor not being powerful enough. Those who have upgraded the starter seem to have solved the problem. Nigel Charles ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert(at)hccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Hi Brian, I bought G-KITZ from Redman Nichols. She's equipped with a gascolator. The plane has a quick access door below the gascolator fitted under the port hatch. It's easy to open the accessdoor from the port side below the port flap to drain the bowl. Around the accesdoor, fitted in the bottom of the fuselage a 1,5 cm high strip from glass and epoxy is glued around the window to avoid certain rest fuel drops could flow in the fuselage after draining. This airplane was approved by your UK-PFA organisation. I am sure Europa 2004 will be able to give you the data you need because Andy flew her many hours. Regards, Tim. Heerhugowaard, PH-JAI 460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hutchinson" <hutch(at)hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch > > > Hi all, > I plan to install an Andair gascolator somewhere under the rear baggage > bay. I don't fancy the conventional Europa type access hatch with 4 screws > to undo every time I need to check the filter bowl. It appears to me that > any hatch would need to be a fair size, big enough to comfortably get your > fingers in to release the safety clip and locking pin. > Does anyone know if the PFA would accept a 'quick release' hinged panel in > this area of the structure, something similar (but bigger) to the dipstick > access hatch on the cowling? Has anyone already got an approved Mod they > would be prepared to share? > > Brian Hutchinson > Lincolnshire > 357 mono 912s Airmaster > No forecast finish date yet, but I think I'm now in the last 5 years! > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2005
From: Richard Holder <rholder(at)avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
> I bought G-KITZ from Redman Nichols. She's equipped > with a gascolator. The plane has a quick access door > below the gascolator fitted under the port hatch. It's > easy to open the accessdoor from the port side below > the port flap to drain the bowl. Around the accesdoor, > fitted in the bottom of the fuselage a 1,5 cm high > strip from glass and epoxy is glued around the window > to avoid certain rest fuel drops could flow in the > fuselage after draining. > This airplane was approved by your UK-PFA organisation. > I am sure Europa 2004 will be able to give you the data > you need because Andy flew her many hours. I suspect that no non-Europa PFA person saw it at all and that all the mods on it are factory experiments, "tests of future factory mods" under some type of "factory exemption". G-KITZ flew from day 1 with the dual brake master cylinder for finger brakes and the Mod (65 ?) only came out 2 (?) years later. So - yes the mods were signed off by a PFA inspector (Andy or Neville) but I am sure there is no PFA documentation associated with any of them. As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what are its construction details and size ? Of course this is only surmise and I may be completely wrong :-) Richard +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ G-OWWW Europa Tri-Gear, High Cross +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "G-IANI" <g-iani(at)ntlworld.com>
Subject: Gascolator access hatch
Date: Feb 09, 2005
"As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what are its construction details and size ? Of course this is only surmise and I may be completely wrong :-)" Yes Richard you are wrong. G-KITZ did not have an access panel through the fire wall (and I have the pictures to prove it). There are better and safer ways of access to the panel. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep e-mail mods(at)europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani(at)ntlworld.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: high compression
Date: Feb 09, 2005
> > ...During our annual inspections we have been > taking the cylinder compressions using an automotive > compression tester. The first two inpections found the > compression to be about 180 psi per cylinder. during the > last inspection (about 10 months ago) the compression > readings went up about 15-20 psi. There's many variables in that test, but not in the differential compression test which is universal in the airplane service biz. That test gives you something to track trends, and even spot potential problems coming. Well mostly, but what comes out of an automotive style test can be more meaningless, more often. The spark-plug hole fitting can be fabricated from an old spark plug and air-hose male coupler, but think I saw a Rotax version in some catalogue. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi(at)ubtanet.com>
Subject: C/S propellers
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is considering the Quinti Prop? -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R. Klein Subject: Europa-List: C/S propellers Hi All, Is there anyone out there who either: - is flying with an IVOPROP? - has purchased one? or - has considered selecting it and decided against doing so?.. and would be willing to share their thoughts? Fred A194 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Propeller Diameter
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Fred, I was told by Europa that 1625mm/64" was the biggest diameter they would advise for the mono XS and PFA said that this was also the maximum they would agree to. Most seem to be flying with 1600mm/63" or smaller, and ground strikes on uneven ground are not that uncommon. Regards David Joyce, G-XSDJ + 1600mm Kremen C/S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> Subject: Europa-List: Propeller Diameter > > Hi yu All, > > After checking the Archive, it appears that most trigear Europas are flying > with a 3 blade 64" diameter C/S propeller. > > I'm still unclear as to whether or not the 64" diameter is appropriate for > the XS mono due to difference in ground clearance. > > Can anyone confirm?..or advise on a smaller (say 62") C/S prop for the mono! > > Sorry for this elementary question, but I go by the mantra that the only > stupid question is that which is not asked. > > Fred > A194 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Propeller Diameter
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Fred, I was told by Europa that 1625mm/64" was the biggest diameter they would advise for the mono XS and PFA said that this was also the maximum they would agree to. Most seem to be flying with 1600mm/63" or smaller, and ground strikes on uneven ground are not that uncommon. Regards David Joyce, G-XSDJ + 1600mm Kremen C/S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> Subject: Europa-List: Propeller Diameter > > Hi yu All, > > After checking the Archive, it appears that most trigear Europas are flying > with a 3 blade 64" diameter C/S propeller. > > I'm still unclear as to whether or not the 64" diameter is appropriate for > the XS mono due to difference in ground clearance. > > Can anyone confirm?..or advise on a smaller (say 62") C/S prop for the mono! > > Sorry for this elementary question, but I go by the mantra that the only > stupid question is that which is not asked. > > Fred > A194 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind being involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost certainly someone better qualified to do it. I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed for stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped up with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is there a sensible slot in the summer's program? Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan(at)blackballclub.com> Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June starting the 18th / 19th. > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at Colditz. > > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. > > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful if some one else could this trip together. > > Don't all rush at once! > > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator > > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips? > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Brian I would be interested in coming on this trip, but would not be able to help organise it due to my work commitments. However at the risk of being thrown out of the Europa fraternity I have to confess to having just purchased a Rockwell 112TC. For winter IFR flight only of course. It also means that Kate wont keep "nicking" the aircraft and leaving me the car..! The point of this story is that if others were prepared to fly in a "none Europa" then I would be happy to bring that one along as well, giving us three empty seats. Let me know if its of use. Alan Ps The downside is they would have to fly with a "female" commercial pilot (who should be in the **** kitchen..!) PPS Contact me off list about the M.P.G. as I have it here for you. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Allsop Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June --> We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June starting the 18th / 19th. This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at Colditz. Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful if some one else could this trip together. Don't all rush at once! Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert(at)hccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
Date: Feb 09, 2005
> As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the > firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what > are its construction details and size ? The access door for the gascolator is fitted behind the cockpit module close to the fuelpumps. That's left from the batery compartment. (At the other side below a wooden panel fitted with 4 bolts. If you're interested , I can sent you a few pictures via email of the construction in PH-JAI (G-KITZ). It's relative easy to reach just below the port flap. It's NOT in the firewall. Making doors into the firewall will reduce the time it's able to fight a engine fire, so it may be better to leave it as it is. The acces door is the same sise (diam. 130 mm.) as the doors fitted to check engine oil and coolant. Regards, Tim. Heerhugowaard, PH-JAI 460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Hi, I fitted my gascolator on the inspection panel itself with the drain coming through it. Fitted behind the fuel pump and cockpit module. To inspect it, simply unscrew the panel and allow it to drop down and then you have access to the mounting bracket it is connected to on the panel. Unscrew it from the mounting bracket and take the panel away to gain access to the bowl. That way it is easy as you do not have to unscew the back baggage bulkhead to get at it and also, more importantly, it is outside to inspect so no fuel gets into the aircraft. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert(at)hccnet.nl> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch > >> As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the >> firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what >> are its construction details and size ? > > The access door for the gascolator is fitted behind the cockpit module > close > to the fuelpumps. That's left from the batery compartment. (At the other > side below a wooden panel fitted with 4 bolts. If you're interested , I > can > sent you a few pictures via email of the construction in PH-JAI (G-KITZ). > It's relative easy to reach just below the port flap. It's NOT in the > firewall. Making doors into the firewall will reduce the time it's able to > fight a engine fire, so it may be better to leave it as it is. > > The acces door is the same sise (diam. 130 mm.) as the doors fitted to > check > engine oil and coolant. > > Regards, Tim. > Heerhugowaard, > PH-JAI > 460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: C/S propellers
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Who? What? Which? Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi(at)ubtanet.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is > considering the Quinti Prop? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R. > Klein > To: europa-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > > > Hi All, > > Is there anyone out there who either: > > - is flying with an IVOPROP? > > - has purchased one? or > > - has considered selecting it and decided against doing so?.. > > and would be willing to share their thoughts? > > Fred > A194 > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2005
From: Paul Boulet <possibletodo(at)YAHOO.COM>
Subject: test flying my own creation
Hi All; I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I have. Thanks Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 09, 2005
David, <> I think Bryan has already volunteered you for that! (see p5 of latest Europa Flyer). I didn't escape either. < with oil and water>> A bit below the belt that! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind being > involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and > not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost > certainly someone better qualified to do it. > I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed for > stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped up > with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is > there a sensible slot in the summer's program? > Regards, David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan(at)blackballclub.com> > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > > > > > > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week > in June starting the 18th / 19th. > > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and > would allow a full day at Colditz. > > > > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits > of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both > Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. > > > > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be > grateful if some one else could this trip together. > > > > Don't all rush at once! > > > > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator > > > > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans > being made for Europa club trips? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <beecho(at)beecho.org>
Subject: test flying my own creation
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Paul I believe that Bob Jacobson test flew his own with little or no experience in monowheels. Tom(at)whoislikelytotestflyhismonoalso.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation Hi All; I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I have. Thanks Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) advertising on the Matronics Forums. -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dari Sagar" <dari_sagar(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 09, 2005
David, Tut-tut..Some people just don't look after their engines....!!!! We (Gail and I) would definately be interested in your tour de France (if you will risk our company again). Will keep a look-out for your announcement. Hope all is well with you. Regards from G and me. Dari >From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> >Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:39:19 -0000 > > > >Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind being >involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and >not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost >certainly someone better qualified to do it. > I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed >for >stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped >up >with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is >there a sensible slot in the summer's program? >Regards, David >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan(at)blackballclub.com> >To: >Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > > > > > > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last >week >in June starting the 18th / 19th. > > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., >and >would allow a full day at Colditz. > > > > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to >bits >of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both >Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. > > > > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be >grateful if some one else could this trip together. > > > > Don't all rush at once! > > > > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator > > > > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans >being made for Europa club trips? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 09, 2005
<> PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips?>> The better of the Devon Strut fly-ins http://www.devonstrut.co.uk/pages/events.htm are Bolt Head 5 June, Branscombe 28 June and Roserrow 28 August. All can be combined with camping or hotel accommodation, cliff-top walks, etc. Bolt Head affords a walk (or bus) in to Salcombe, water taxi to White Sands and walk (through Nat Trust tropical gardens back to the airfield. Also has one of hte best youth hostels in the UK. Branscombe has an airshow, cream teas and much more if a bus is taken to one of the local villages (but no buses on Sunday). The Halwell event puts Dartmouth within striking distance (buses on Sunday too). Or you can stand around on the airfield and talk 'shop'. The events are only marred by the absence of Europas; such a waste! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan(at)blackballclub.com> Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June starting the 18th / 19th. > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at Colditz. > > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. > > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful if some one else could this trip together. > > Don't all rush at once! > > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator > > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips? > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan(at)blackballclub.com>
Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Hi David, I think you have already volunteered for the stress free Tour de France. Your command of the French language qualifies you for that one without challange. Though is nice of you to offer for the Colditz one, it would be only fair if someone else had a bash. I cant see that a mastery of any of the language is relevant in this case. After all, it is only the French that are reluctant to speak English. My experience in the Baltics is that they are all taught to speak English as a second language. We just need some one to sort out some destinations with appropriately cheap airfields, and to suggest a framework for the trip. Just think of all that untapped souce of talent out there. I would suggest someone like Bob, if he was not likely to want to go twice as far and ast as every one else. Cheers! Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > > Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind > being > involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian and > not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost > certainly someone better qualified to do it. > I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed > for > stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped > up > with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is > there a sensible slot in the summer's program? > Regards, David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan(at)blackballclub.com> > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > > >> >> We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last >> week > in June starting the 18th / 19th. >> This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and > would allow a full day at Colditz. >> >> Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits > of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both > Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. >> >> I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be > grateful if some one else could this trip together. >> >> Don't all rush at once! >> >> Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator >> >> PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans > being made for Europa club trips? >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan(at)blackballclub.com>
Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Duncan. I take no volunteers. Just prisoners - to Colditz! Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > > David, > <> > I think Bryan has already volunteered you for that! (see p5 of latest > Europa > Flyer). I didn't escape either. > > <> with oil and water>> > A bit below the belt that! > > Duncan McF. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > > >> >> Brian, I am v. interested in the sound of this trip and wouldn't mind > being >> involved in its organisation, but having next to no German, no Russian >> and >> not having been on any of the Baltic trips before I feel there is almost >> certainly someone better qualified to do it. >> I am also prepared to organise another 'Tour de France' designed > for >> stress free flying (as long as folk remember to keep their engines topped > up >> with oil and water!), to suit wives, channel virgins and bon viveurs. Is >> there a sensible slot in the summer's program? >> Regards, David >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan(at)blackballclub.com> >> To: >> Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June >> >> >> >> > >> > We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last > week >> in June starting the 18th / 19th. >> > This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., > and >> would allow a full day at Colditz. >> > >> > Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to > bits >> of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. >> Both >> Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. >> > >> > I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be >> grateful if some one else could this trip together. >> > >> > Don't all rush at once! >> > >> > Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator >> > >> > PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans >> being made for Europa club trips? >> > >> > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ >> > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited >> > messages >> > _______________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Subject: Re: C/S propellers
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>
Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/ It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just fine; note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop flanges. Fred A194 on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > > > Who? What? Which? > > Duncan McF. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi(at)ubtanet.com> > To: > Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > >> >> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is >> considering the Quinti Prop? >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2005
From: Rowland Carson <rowil(at)clara.net>
Subject: Re: John Miller
>Does anyone know of or have contact information for a John Miller in Newark, >DE Cliff - the only near-match I have for that name is a Don Miller. He was listed as builder A249 but the last factory list I got gave nothing more than USA as his address. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (740 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2005
From: Richard Holder <rholder(at)avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: John Miller
>>Does anyone know of or have contact information for a John Miller in Newark, >>DE > > > Cliff - the only near-match I have for that name is a Don Miller. He > was listed as builder A249 but the last factory list I got gave > nothing more than USA as his address. I looked at www.att.com and went for directory assistance, put in Miller John Newark DE and it came up with 6 hits. So that is the way to go. I have only picked this up out of interest as Newark DE is where I stay when I go to fly in the USA ! HTH Richard ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Gascolator access hatch....NOW Rear Panel Access Through
Fire Wall.
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Hi! All. I missed the question which must recently have been posed about "access to rear of panel through Fire Wall" At least one of the Europa demonstrators had such facilities .....probably G-KITS. I have a PFA approved mod. and have embodied the facilities in G-PTAG in two areas. a) above the P1 footwell to the rear of the instrument area. b) and also an additional one behind the early Jabiru air cooler providing access to the rear of the radio stack. I would have to think very hard about doing a repeat since the panel is very cluttered in there especially with many vacuum pipes to get past to the electrical wiring. (Which being a wiring novice is like a rats nest !) However the main reason for my decision to make the panel a permanent fixture was wanting to retain continuity of engine monitoring wires without using connector blocks. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa KIT337 MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gascolator access hatch "As a matter of interest is there a nice hole in the firewall to get access behind the panel ? And if so what are its construction details and size ? Of course this is only surmise and I may be completely wrong :-)" Yes Richard you are wrong. G-KITZ did not have an access panel through the fire wall (and I have the pictures to prove it). There are better and safer ways of access to the panel. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep e-mail mods(at)europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani(at)ntlworld.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn(at)rockisland.com>
Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Paul,I had about 2hrs dual in a mono a year before I soloed the mono. Also had 250 hrs taildragger time. It went well for me.But landing still humbles one occasionally. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo(at)YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion > on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed > it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers > (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out > Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. > I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than > I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Hi! Bryan. As you know I was planning my own trip to incorporate Latvia Estonia and possibly Poland between the Barkaby (Stockholm) and Stauning (Denmark) rallies which are on consecutive weekends commencing Friday 3rd June. I'm a little bemused you have moved your suggestion back to late June?(other than you have a hidden message for me! When You last communicated with me from somewhere overseas you said you would be in touch ?)Otherwise I am interested in the Colditz thing? But I have charity event commitments for the first two weekends in July which I don't want to squeeze with a trip late June. The purpose of my approach was to maximise the content of the distance involved to attend both the Scandinavian rallies. Poland and/or Romania may be in the frame with the Swiss Rally 19th August. I then only have Romania, Portugal, Hungary and Greece left on my list for G-PTAG to visit in Europe (I will be "passing" on Greece anyway since the likelihood of them clapping me in jail ain't worth the risk!) Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Allsop Subject: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June We have had suggestions for organizing a 6 or 7 day trip for the last week in June starting the 18th / 19th. This trip would take in the Baltic states, via Latvia, Estonia, etc., and would allow a full day at Colditz. Jeremy Davey has a colleague (Garsham Robertson) who could get us to bits of the Castle you don't usually see. An opportunity too good to miss. Both Jeremy and Garsham would be looking for a ride. I am going to be very short of time in the coming months, so I would be grateful if some one else could this trip together. Don't all rush at once! Cheers Bryan Allsop.; Events co-coordinator PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans being made for Europa club trips? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2005
From: Terry Seaver <terrys(at)cisco.com>
Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
Hi Paul, I flew our Europa XS (mono wheel) for its first flight and subsequent 40 hour fly off. I had no Europa time but did have about 300 hours of tail wheel time, mostly in a Great Lakes biplane. I found the mono wheel Europa to be quite challenging, in its own way. Before my first flight I asked a similar question as yours, with a number of useful responses. I then flew a variety of airplanes, tail wheel and tri gear, low wing and high, just to get used to flying different things (I had flown the Great Lakes almost exclusively for the previous couple of years, which led to some strong habits that needed to be broke). The following are a list of suggestions and comments that I would give to anyone transitioning to the monowheel. 1) Keep it off the monowheel alone, it is VERY tricky as a unicycle. Don't get the tail up on take off like you would most other tail wheel planes. For the Europa, keep the stick back until it is nearly ready to fly, then relax the back pressure on the stick, letting it go to neutral, the plane will almost immediately 'levitate' off the runway. I 'relax' back pressure at about 35 knots solo and about 40 knots dual. Of course, on landings, try to get the tailwheel down before the main wheel, or a the least, at the same time. No wheel landings and no high speed taxing! 2) It is more tail heavy than most (relative to its weight). Once it starts to move to either side, you have to aggressively correct, with a 'kick' (I have heard others use the term 'bootfull of rudder'), then get off. I had trouble trying to finesse the rudder on the ground, once it gets very far to the side, it doesn't want to stop. 3) If using the Graham Singleton tail wheel mod, I would strongly suggest reducing the tailwheel throw if you operate off of a surfaced runway. Ours was initially nearly 90 deg travel each way, which make the plane very sensitive on the ground. We backed it off to +- 45 degrees of tail wheel travel, which helped. 4) You lose almost all tail wheel authority when braking, so let go of the brake if you need to correct with rudder, then reapply the brake once you are straight again. regards, Terry Seaver A135 / N135TD Paul Boulet wrote: > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin(at)btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Paul, If you don't have a choice then I wish you all the best. HOWEVER, if there is any way you can get someone to teach you take-offs and landings in your Europa Monowheel I strongly recommend it. Our little aircraft has some interesting little habits. I have a fair amount of flying time, but I am very pleased that I received a check out from Andy Draper before I set off solo. As some brave people have shown, it is quite possible to do what you suggest, but I do think it is a little risky. There are quite a few Europa drivers out there that were used to the aircraft, and still managed to ground loop it - (sadly, me included). regards, MP (G-JULZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo(at)YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion > on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed > it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers > (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out > Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. > I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than > I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <kbcarpenter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
Date: Feb 09, 2005
It helps if you are operating off grass. It helps if there is no cross wind the first few flights. Watch the nose direction and not the wings being level. Like most taildraggers, land at the stall speed with a little power and keep the stick all the way back when you tough down. Come to Knoxville and I will give you a ride and a feel for it. Ken Carpenter N 9XS 914 Mono ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo(at)YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion > on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed > it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers > (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out > Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. > I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than > I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: C/S propellers
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Fred, I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it could feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a Airmaster. Base hub with blades = $5200 + Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150 + Automatic Controller =$ 900 + Spinner += $ ??? Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts Michael Grass A266 Trigear Way to cold to built in Detroit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > > Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/ > > It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just fine; > note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop flanges. > > Fred > A194 > > on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > >> >> >> Who? What? Which? >> >> Duncan McF. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi(at)ubtanet.com> >> To: >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers >> >> >>> >>> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or is >>> considering the Quinti Prop? >>> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: test flying my own creation
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Hi Paul, I checked Bob out in the factory plane in July of 2000 and as he had a lot of swift time he took to it very easily. I think we shot eight or so landings, did some rolls and he was very comfortable with it. You need to shoot some landings with somebody and be comfortable with it. As Jerry said the mono-wheel can humble you. JimThursby -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Subject: Re: Europa-List: test flying my own creation Paul,I had about 2hrs dual in a mono a year before I soloed the mono. Also had 250 hrs taildragger time. It went well for me.But landing still humbles one occasionally. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo(at)YAHOO.COM> Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion > on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed > it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers > (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out > Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. > I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than > I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <beecho(at)beecho.org>
Subject: C/S propellers
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Michael I don't understand. I have an Airmaster CS. Yes, it does fully feather. I don't have my invoice in hand but I recall that it was about $4,000 usd delivered. with the spinner and controller. It seems beautifully constructed, the instructions are wonderful and the followup has been great.. Tom A078 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Grass Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers Fred, I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it could feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a Airmaster. Base hub with blades = $5200 + Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150 + Automatic Controller =$ 900 + Spinner += $ ??? Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts Michael Grass A266 Trigear Way to cold to built in Detroit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > > Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/ > > It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just > fine; note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop > flanges. > > Fred > A194 > > on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > >> >> >> Who? What? Which? >> >> Duncan McF. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi(at)ubtanet.com> >> To: >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers >> >> >>> --> >>> >>> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or >>> is considering the Quinti Prop? >>> > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Paul, I had 1.5 hours dual before landing one by myself. I had to have 5 hours on the aircraft for insurance purposes before flight testing my own. I would definitely get checked out for landings with an instructor beside you. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" <possibletodo(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > > > Hi All; > > I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion > on (be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed > it- my check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers > (500 hours total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out > Europa pilot to accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > > I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. > I'd like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than > I have. Thanks > > Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: test flying my own creation
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Hi all, yes I am still here (lurking) Yes I test flew my Europa Monowheel (and Cliff's). I did however have about 800hrs in taildraggers and did get an hour in a factory Europa before doing so. Also my tailwheel time was mostly in high performance stuff (a 210hp Swift). I would always highly reccomend a few hours of dual if you can get it. Even following through while someone else flys helps. When I sold my plane to the new owner, I did a few landings with him and he had about 700hrs of tailwheel time. On the way home he managed to get it around on the runway once (did't hurt anything). He was an excellent pilot with lots of tailwheel time - the Europa is just "different". He got bit on the roll-out (not the landing) when he let his attention wander just for a second. So remember pay attention every second the engine is turning. Later! Bob Jacobsen >From: <beecho(at)beecho.org> >Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Europa-List: test flying my own creation >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:53:39 -0800 > > >Paul > >I believe that Bob Jacobson test flew his own with little or no experience >in monowheels. > >Tom(at)whoislikelytotestflyhismonoalso.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet >To: europa-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > > >Hi All; > >I have a question that I hope some of you don't mind giving me an opinion >on >(be kind!). My plane has about 4 hours on it and I've not yet landed it- >my >check pilot always did. However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 >hours >total) and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to >accompany me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > >I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it was. >I'd >like to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I >have. Thanks > >Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) > > >advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > >-- >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >-- >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Flight Sin 2004
Date: Feb 09, 2005
> I have been "playing" with MS FlightSim 2004. Trying to build an Europa. > > Has any one done that successfully? It appears that the files I downloaded > from the Europaowners web page are not the same as are used in 2004. > > There is a FSEditor that is easy to use, I just have not idea what half of > the boxes should have in them. HELP !!! > > Cliff Shaw The link below is to an XS trigear which runs on 2002/2004. You may want to see if FSEditor will patch some of its oddities. http://www.simviation.com/fs2002props33.htm Reg, Fred F. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>
Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Paul, I did 10 ~ 15 landings with Andy and then spent 10 hours getting a tail wheel rating before I flew mine. I get on fine with it but I still treat it cautiously, its not finished flying until its parked in the hanger. Pick days where the wind favors you and if you can, start off landing on grass strips and work up from there. Paul ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: C/S propellers
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Tom, that is exactly my point unless I am missing something here. At current an Airmaster goes for around $5500 US. Fred and Curtis are bringing a "Quinti for less? With the Kremen Prop you save at least a good portion of money and there are already some Europa installations flying. Michael Grass A266 ----- Original Message ----- From: <beecho(at)beecho.org> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > Michael > > I don't understand. I have an Airmaster CS. Yes, it does fully feather. > I > don't have my invoice in hand but I recall that it was about $4,000 usd > delivered. with the spinner and controller. It seems beautifully > constructed, the instructions are wonderful and the followup has been > great.. > > Tom A078 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Grass > To: europa-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > > Fred, > > I don't see the benefits over the Airmaster. It uses the same Warp drive > blades, means the actual propeller is the same but nowhere it says it > could > feather it. This means less functionality and more money. Am I missing > something here? The Kremen sounds to me like the best alternative over a > Airmaster. > > Base hub with blades = $5200 > + Nickel Leading Edge = $ 150 > + Automatic Controller =$ 900 > + Spinner += $ ??? > > Just my 1 penny worth of thoughts > > Michael Grass > A266 Trigear > Way to cold to built in Detroit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: C/S propellers > > >> >> >> Check it out at: www.climbandcruise.com/ >> >> It's cost approximates that of an Airmaster and APPEARS to be just >> fine; note that it is compatible w/ both the Rotax and the SAE 1 prop >> flanges. >> >> Fred >> A194 >> >> on 2/9/05 12:18 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Who? What? Which? >>> >>> Duncan McF. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Curtis Jaussi" <jaussi(at)ubtanet.com> >>> To: >>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: C/S propellers >>> >>> >>>> --> >>>> >>>> Likewise; is there anyone out there flying with, has purchased, or >>>> is considering the Quinti Prop? >>>> >> >> >> > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > -- > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > -- > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2005
From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan(at)YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Aileron push tube travel
I just finished assembling the aileron push tubes. It seems no matter how much I expand the rib holes, the tube always contacts the ribs when it reaches its travel limit. This limits the max travel of the push tube. I can expand the rib holes even further, but I was wondering what the normal travel is for these push tubes. How many cm would you say the tube goes left/right? I don't want to expand the holes any more than really necessary. Thanks! ===== Andrew Sarangan http://www.geocities.com/asarangan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Flight Sin 2004
Date: Feb 09, 2005
Fred Thanks again. This simulator flies very much like the way my Europa flies. (only slower ) :) Now I can get some flying done even when it is bad weather. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu(at)comcast.net> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flight Sin 2004 > >> I have been "playing" with MS FlightSim 2004. Trying to build an > Europa. >> >> Has any one done that successfully? It appears that the files I > downloaded >> from the Europaowners web page are not the same as are used in 2004. >> >> There is a FSEditor that is easy to use, I just have not idea what > half of >> the boxes should have in them. HELP !!! >> >> Cliff Shaw > > The link below is to an XS trigear which runs on 2002/2004. You may > want to see if FSEditor will patch some of its oddities. > > http://www.simviation.com/fs2002props33.htm > > Reg, > Fred F. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3(at)msn.com>
Subject: Aileron push tube travel
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Andrew, Builders often find this on one side - the other has a steeper angle on the pushrod and doesnt suffer. You have the same problem if it's impacting on the double rib. If that's the case, just pop a 1/16" aluminium shim under the bellcrank to raise it a touch. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1280 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: Aileron push tube travel I just finished assembling the aileron push tubes. It seems no matter how much I expand the rib holes, the tube always contacts the ribs when it reaches its travel limit. This limits the max travel of the push tube. I can expand the rib holes even further, but I was wondering what the normal travel is for these push tubes. How many cm would you say the tube goes left/right? I don't want to expand the holes any more than really necessary. Thanks! ===== Andrew Sarangan http://www.geocities.com/asarangan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "graham p pocock" <graham(at)pocock56.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Aileron push tube travel
Date: Feb 10, 2005
> > I just finished assembling the aileron push tubes. It seems no matter > how much I expand the rib holes, the tube always contacts the ribs when Andrew I had this problem but mine was close to the spar. My inspector said that they needed to be at least 1/4'' away to allow for flexing and possible temp induced gap changes. As Jeremy suggests he told me to make up an aluminum spacer 1/16'' to fit under the bellcrank. The manual is not crystal clear as to which way round to fit the W12 and W13. Worth a recheck. One of us might have this wrong! But I'm sure mine's OK. Hope this helps. Graham Pocock Kit 535 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2005
From: Graham Singleton <graham(at)gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: checkout in a monowheel
>However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours total) >and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to accompany >me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > >I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it >was. I'd like >to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I have. >Thanks > >Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) Paul you need a few hours armchair flying. Get it firmly fixed in your mental autopilot that you must not land until the tail wheel is on the ground. Then, as soon as you feel it touch, Stick Hard Back. Now, concentrate very hard on keeping it straight, you need to spot and correct any yaw the instant it happens, which it will. If, or should I say when?!? you land mainwheel first, you must continue to fly the airplane until it stops, much harder because the effect of the ground adds more variables Graham -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2005
From: Graham Singleton <graham(at)gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: test flying my own creation
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > > >Hi all, yes I am still here (lurking) You're always welcome Bob! Once family, always family Graham -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: checkout in a monowheel
Date: Feb 10, 2005
From: "Barahona Alonso, Francisco Javier" <Javier.Barahona(at)aeasa.com>
I would like to share my personal experience with this subject. The first step in the monowheel training, as recommended in the manual, should be the control of the plane in ground. At this moment, you must be extremely cautious with the speed to avoid get involuntary airborne. That is exactly what happened with me. I had a rough time because I had no previous experience with taildraggers. Fortunately, I was able, after several trials, to land without damage but the result could have been very different. Best regards Javier Barahona -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]En nombre de Graham Singleton Enviado el: jueves, 10 de febrero de 2005 11:22 Para: europa-list(at)matronics.com Asunto: Europa-List: checkout in a monowheel >However, I have 25 hours in taildraggers (500 hours total) >and since I'm having trouble getting a checked out Europa pilot to accompany >me feel like I'm ready to land the plane myself. > >I know some of you did the same thing...just don't remember who it >was. I'd like >to hear from pilots that jumped in without any more training than I have. >Thanks > >Paul Boulet, N914PB (plane located Mesa, Arizona) __________________________ Este mensaje es privado, puede contener informacin confidencial y se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Si usted ha recibido este mensaje por error, no debe distribuirlo o usarlo en ningn sentido. Le rogamos lo comunique al remitente y proceda a su destruccin junto con los documentos que pudiera llevar adjuntos. En el caso de que el destinatario de este mensaje no desee la recepcin de correo electrnico va Internet, rogamos lo ponga en nuestro conocimiento en la siguiente direccin disclaimer(at)aeasa.com This is a private message, it can contain confidential information and it is addressed exclusively to its addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you don't have to use it or distribute it under any circumstance. Please, advise the sender of the mistake and delete the message as well as the documents that may be attached. If you don't wish to receive electronic mail via internet, we kindly request you to inform us in disclaimer(at)aeasa.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi>
Subject: Re: Just for the record......
Date: Feb 10, 2005
----- Original Message ----- From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Europa-List: Just for the record...... > > Hi! Peter. > Re:- "Scandinavian Sortie" Europa Flyer. > Not wishing to be pedantic but G-PTAG must have credit where it's due ! > G-PTAG Europa KIT 337/MKI/Jabiru 3300 with myself and Ivor Phillips was > the FIRST EUROPA TO FLY IN FINLAND 3 YEARS AGO, but also kind courtesy > of Raimo Toivio and his beautiful family and state of the art > accommodation and sauna . Now if you were to say the first Mono Rigged > Europa or Rotax powered Europa I'd retire gracefully on the matter ! > Yes, I am honoured to prove that! How I know that? I think It had to be true, because I was in control, stick with dozens of buttons was in my hand, I heard Jabirus strong and low growling and saw plenty of air between G-PTAG and one house, which look like my home. Raimo M W Toivio assembling fuel filler hose OH-XRT #417 OH-CVK OH-BLL 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Butcher" <europa(at)triton.net>
Subject: Brake Parts
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Does anyone know where to purchase rebuild parts for the Kart Components master cylinder for a monowheel? Ours are all gummed up. Also, is Dot 3 or Dot 4 brake fluid OK to use? I think the messages with brake fluid problems were all with the Tri Gear brakes. Thanks Jim Butcher A185 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Duncan, It seems a pity to miss Lundy off the list of great Devon Strut fly outs. It's an absolutely stunning destination, with great food and walks, and the added spice of 2 planes having crashed there during last year's event! Having said which, I believe they have been going there for 12 yrs or more with up to 40 planes and no previous mishap. The landing strip is no where near as challenging as Bill Wynne's strip. Regards, David G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> > <> PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans > being made for Europa club trips?>> > > The better of the Devon Strut fly-ins > http://www.devonstrut.co.uk/pages/events.htm > are Bolt Head 5 June, Branscombe 28 June and Roserrow 28 August. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com>
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Subject: e-mail address for Robert Borger
Does anyone have an e-mail address for Robert Borger? Thanks Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Brake Parts
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Kart Components are a karting manufacturer and used to advertise regularly in the Karting Monthly magazine. It is a few years since I last read that publication, but I'm sure you will still find them in there. They should also be on the web under Kart racing. Hope that helps. Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Butcher Subject: Europa-List: Brake Parts Does anyone know where to purchase rebuild parts for the Kart Components master cylinder for a monowheel? Ours are all gummed up. Also, is Dot 3 or Dot 4 brake fluid OK to use? I think the messages with brake fluid problems were all with the Tri Gear brakes. Thanks Jim Butcher A185 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nigel Harrison" <naharrison(at)manx.net>
Subject: 24v ELECTIRCAL SYSTEM
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Dear all, It would appear that I'm unusual in planning to install a 24V system in my Europa. Skydrive have advised re the alternator saying "The internal alternator gives an AC voltage above 24 V at a speed of about 3000 rpm, which may possibly be suitable, but you would have to design or procure a rectifier/regulator for 24 V." Does anyone have any information on a suitable rectifier/regulator? Thanks Nigel Harrison ************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Manxnet Mail Plus anti-virus system. http://www.manx.net/mailplus ************************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2005
From: Richard Holder <rholder(at)avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 24v ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Nigel Harrison wrote: > > > Dear all, > It would appear that I'm unusual in planning to install a 24V system in my > Europa. Skydrive have advised re the alternator saying "The internal > alternator gives an AC voltage above 24 V at a speed of about 3000 rpm, > which may possibly be suitable, but you would have to design or procure a > rectifier/regulator for 24 V." > Does anyone have any information on a suitable rectifier/regulator? > Thanks > Nigel Harrison I guess my question, and maybe others is : WHY ? I am certainly not sure that the output which maxes at 19A at 12v would be as much as 19A at 24V. Better to stick to the design as already proven. Have two batteries, with charging and changeover if you wish. A 17Ah 24V battery will be about the same weight as two 17Ah 12V batteries [and has the same energy capacity]. In normal use - have only one battery on line, but alternate (I mean swop from one to the other) to keep them both charged. Then if you have a problem with the alternator, you can run the on-line battery down to almost zero, and then you can change over and do the same with the other. Having two 17Ah batteries might be better than one 34Ah battery, but two 12 Ah would be sufficient. If you have 912 or 914 then 12V is sufficient for starting. If you have 912S, or plan to order one, make sure you have the Heavy Duty Starter. I am not sure about 24V through the 12V starter but it might be OK as it is very short duration usage. (The RS1600 rally car had a 12V starter but as it was a pig to start when hot it had two batteries and used 24 volts for starting. there was a clever system of relays to change the batteries from parallel (for normal use and charging) to series (for starting). It worked well except when one of the relays got a bit tardy - at which point there tended to be a dead short ! Also keep in mind that the quoted figure of 24V above 3000 rpm may be a peak voltage which would be somewhat reduced after rectification. To charge a 24V battery you need 28V or more after rectification to DC. The avionics will run at 24V, but what about the fuel pump, trim motor and the flap motor ? Also the engine rpm, temp and pressure gauges ? After all if you have a charging problem you don't want to be up there any longer than necessary. And if the problem is in the alternator windings don't fogetthat there are 10 sets. 8 are used for charging and the other 2 in the same location are used for the magnetos. Just my two cents worth ! Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : richard.holder(at)avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2005
From: N55XS <topglock(at)cox.net>
Subject: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
I wonder if any of you Tri-gear flyers would be so kind as to comment on any "characteristics" you've noticed on the takeoff/landing of your aircraft. Anything in particular one should be on the lookout for?. Details, please. Thanks in advance... -- Jeff - A055 Getting close to FWF time... -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin(at)btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Parts
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Try Europa 2004 - that is where I obtained my new seal. regards MP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Butcher" <europa(at)triton.net> Subject: Europa-List: Brake Parts > > Does anyone know where to purchase rebuild parts for the Kart Components > master cylinder for a monowheel? Ours are all gummed up. > > Also, is Dot 3 or Dot 4 brake fluid OK to use? I think the messages with > brake fluid problems were all with the Tri Gear brakes. > > Thanks > > Jim Butcher A185 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.us>
Subject: 24v ELECTIRCAL SYSTEM
Date: Feb 10, 2005
This question should be posed to the AeroElectric-List (http://www.matronics.com/subscription), hosted by the same matronics.com that hosts this list. Also highly recommended is http://www.aeroelectric.com/ where you may even find your answer directly. Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Nigel Harrison Subject: Europa-List: 24v ELECTIRCAL SYSTEM Dear all, It would appear that I'm unusual in planning to install a 24V system in my Europa. Skydrive have advised re the alternator saying "The internal alternator gives an AC voltage above 24 V at a speed of about 3000 rpm, which may possibly be suitable, but you would have to design or procure a rectifier/regulator for 24 V." Does anyone have any information on a suitable rectifier/regulator? Thanks Nigel Harrison ************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Manxnet Mail Plus anti-virus system. http://www.manx.net/mailplus ************************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Subject: Re: 24v ELECTIRCAL SYSTEM
From: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi>
Hi Nigel, It sounds that you are put on a wrong track by a loose remark, intended to present something theoretical. Look again at the "possible" and "but". A real 24 V alternator would produce 48 volts and more at high rpms. These overkills are needed to give a good charge at low rpms. Thats why generators need regulators, and broken regulators can fry systems. My 10 cents: Don't start using an alternator out of spec. Regerds, Jos Okhuijsen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June
Date: Feb 10, 2005
David, I left Lundy off as I couldn't personally recommend it; I've not been there. In addition to the two crashes there were also some near misses. Personally I don't like the risks involved (including the long sea crossing, twice in a day!), but accept that others have different priorities. Rgds., Duncan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baltics / Colditz Trip. Late June > > Duncan, It seems a pity to miss Lundy off the list of great Devon Strut fly > outs. It's an absolutely stunning destination, with great food and walks, > and the added spice of 2 planes having crashed there during last year's > event! Having said which, I believe they have been going there for 12 yrs or > more with up to 40 planes and no previous mishap. The landing strip is no > where near as challenging as Bill Wynne's strip. > Regards, David G-XSDJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> > > <> PS. apart from the trips published already, are there any other plans > > being made for Europa club trips?>> > > > > The better of the Devon Strut fly-ins > > http://www.devonstrut.co.uk/pages/events.htm > > are Bolt Head 5 June, Branscombe 28 June and Roserrow 28 August. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: checkout in a monowheel
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Can I just add one thing to Grahams excellent advice. If at all possible practice your first few landings, takeoffs on a grass runway. The aircraft is much easier to handle on grass. Also make sure the mainwheel is inflated to the correct pressure (20psi from memory). If you overinflate it chances are you will bounce on landing. Also, get the approach speed spot on or you will float down the runway for a long time. As Graham says, keep the aircraft straight BUT use small movements of your feet. If you bang in a bootful of rudder chances are the aircraft will groundloop and you will lose the prop (nearly every mono pilot has - at some time or other). Have fun. > > Paul > you need a few hours armchair flying. Get it firmly fixed in your mental > autopilot that you must not land until the tail wheel is on the ground. > Then, as soon as you feel it touch, Stick Hard Back. Now, concentrate very > hard on keeping it straight, you need to spot and correct any yaw the > instant it happens, which it will. > If, or should I say when?!? you land mainwheel first, you must continue to > fly the airplane until it stops, much harder because the effect of the > ground adds more variables > Graham > > > -- > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Hi! Jeff. Yes, firstly read the Pilots Handbook and really digest it. Be sure to get your speed controlled and the aircraft trimmed as recommended for full flaps and correct before you turn on BASE. Use the control stick as if it were a one way ratchet, don't relax the control stick pressure what so ever and at the end of the flare try to fly about 12" above the runway with your elbow rammed tight to the cockpit side looking ahead (not sideways)to get the attitude of the aircraft into your head. In the event of a small bounce snatch the stick right back. In the event of a large bounce "open the taps" full and go round off the top of the bounce not forgetting to retract the flaps on climb out.(You will not correct a big bounce unless the runway is about a mile long !) Don't try a dead stick landing until you have grasped landings with coordinated use of engine throttle. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI /Jabiru 3300 PS. Now listen to all the long hour guys telling you how! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N55XS Subject: Europa-List: While on the subject of Europa characteristics I wonder if any of you Tri-gear flyers would be so kind as to comment on any "characteristics" you've noticed on the takeoff/landing of your aircraft. Anything in particular one should be on the lookout for?. Details, please. Thanks in advance... -- Jeff - A055 Getting close to FWF time... -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.us>
Subject: Brake Parts
Date: Feb 10, 2005
The manufacturer's web is: http://www.kartcomponents.sagenet.co.uk/default.htm My Tri-Gear kit included the Kart Components master cylinders, and the picture of several cylinders at the manufacturer's web site (the "Brakes & Disks" page) shows one that matches the master cylinder in my kit. It is the seals in the master cylinders that had to be changed to match the seals in the slave cylinders for fluid compatibility. According to the build manual this is because the Tri-Gear uses "mineral based hydraulic fluid" (also described in the manual as "aviation type hydraulic fluid") for which the slave cylinders already have the appropriate seals. The kit is supplied with replacement seals that must be installed in each master cylinder. I avoided the problem of deciding which fluid would be compatible by choosing silicone brake fluid, DOT 5, which is compatible with everything and has a few other advantages (though cost is not one of them). Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Butcher Subject: Europa-List: Brake Parts Does anyone know where to purchase rebuild parts for the Kart Components master cylinder for a monowheel? Ours are all gummed up. Also, is Dot 3 or Dot 4 brake fluid OK to use? I think the messages with brake fluid problems were all with the Tri Gear brakes. Thanks Jim Butcher A185 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2005
From: N55XS <topglock(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
R.C.Harrison wrote: > >Hi! Jeff. >Yes, firstly read the Pilots Handbook and really digest it. >Be sure to get your speed controlled and the aircraft trimmed as >recommended for full flaps and correct before you turn on BASE. >Use the control stick as if it were a one way ratchet, don't relax the >control stick pressure what so ever and at the end of the flare try to >fly about 12" above the runway with your elbow rammed tight to the >cockpit side looking ahead (not sideways)to get the attitude of the >aircraft into your head. >In the event of a small bounce snatch the stick right back. >In the event of a large bounce "open the taps" full and go round off the >top of the bounce not forgetting to retract the flaps on climb out.(You >will not correct a big bounce unless the runway is about a mile long !) >Don't try a dead stick landing until you have grasped landings with >coordinated use of engine throttle. >Regards >Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI /Jabiru 3300 >PS. Now listen to all the long hour guys telling you how! > > > Bob, Thanks for the great information. How would you compare the Europa landing characteristics to the light Cessnas, like the 152? -- Jeff - A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff(at)rmmm.net>
Subject: Re: Brake Parts
Date: Feb 10, 2005
I would like to hear from Tri-Gear pilots that installed the stock master cylinder and used the dot - 5 with no problems. It sounds like most have had to clean there's out to get them to work freely. I would like to do this before I fill the system if it's something thats advised by most. On the other hand if it's not necessary and can be avoided I would like that even better. Anyone care to comment? Jeff A258 On Feb 10, 2005, at 6:44 PM, Rob Housman wrote: > > The manufacturer's web is: > http://www.kartcomponents.sagenet.co.uk/default.htm > > My Tri-Gear kit included the Kart Components master cylinders, and the > picture of several cylinders at the manufacturer's web site (the > "Brakes & > Disks" page) shows one that matches the master cylinder in my kit. > > It is the seals in the master cylinders that had to be changed to > match the > seals in the slave cylinders for fluid compatibility. According to the > build manual this is because the Tri-Gear uses "mineral based hydraulic > fluid" (also described in the manual as "aviation type hydraulic > fluid") for > which the slave cylinders already have the appropriate seals. The kit > is > supplied with replacement seals that must be installed in each master > cylinder. > > I avoided the problem of deciding which fluid would be compatible by > choosing silicone brake fluid, DOT 5, which is compatible with > everything > and has a few other advantages (though cost is not one of them). > > > Best regards, > > Rob Housman > > Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 > Airframe complete > Irvine, CA > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Butcher > To: europalist > Subject: Europa-List: Brake Parts > > > Does anyone know where to purchase rebuild parts for the Kart > Components > master cylinder for a monowheel? Ours are all gummed up. > > Also, is Dot 3 or Dot 4 brake fluid OK to use? I think the messages > with > brake fluid problems were all with the Tri Gear brakes. > > Thanks > > Jim Butcher A185 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com>
Subject: Expanding Foam
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Flight, Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue foam for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom floor area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not directly on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses and filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. Steve A058 N15JN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Jeff I guess I qualify to comment on this question. I started with "Wile E. Coyote" N229WC as a monowheel. I had the first 15 hours put on my Bob Jacobsen and John Hurst. John gave me 10 hours in Lakeland in his demonstrator so I was "qualified" for my insurance to fly my own plane. I made my first landing perfectly. and the 8th one was good too. In hind sight, I was not getting the plane slow enough when I put it on the runway. I bounced. At 22 hours I broke the prop and the wife suggested I "do something" to fix the problem. Now N22WC is a trike and a "pussycat" to land. It is just as easy to land as a 152. (a little different due to the low wings) I should have just built it right the first time :( Really, I put down full flaps just before turning Base and back off on the power, trim for 80MPH, and use the throttle to fly to the fence. Then slow to 60 MPH and hold it off till it lands. Rather basic approach. The plane will land at any speed and the only problem I have had is trying to put it down too fast (hard) . It is best to just fly it on. It would be hard to goof a landing up (compared to the mono that must nearly stall to land) I hope that helps. These are my thought anyway ! Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE Rain forecast for a day or two, no flying :( > > I wonder if any of you Tri-gear flyers would be so kind as to comment on > any "characteristics" you've noticed on the takeoff/landing of your > aircraft. Anything in particular one should be on the lookout for?. > Details, please. Thanks in advance... > > -- > Jeff - A055 > Getting close to FWF time... > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Expanding Foam
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Steve Sounds like a good idea BUT ! I think you will find that the expanding type foam is not very strong (could not sit on it without it squishing down) and the bubbles where it is cut will be too porous to lay glass over without a lot of filler. Sorry ! Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com> Subject: Europa-List: Expanding Foam > > > Flight, > > Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue > foam > for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom > floor > area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of > rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not > directly > on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses > and > filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. > > Steve > A058 > N15JN > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com>
Subject: Expanding Foam
Date: Feb 10, 2005
The plan after the foam is found and sized is to lay a piece of plywood on top. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding Foam Steve Sounds like a good idea BUT ! I think you will find that the expanding type foam is not very strong (could not sit on it without it squishing down) and the bubbles where it is cut will be too porous to lay glass over without a lot of filler. Sorry ! Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com> Subject: Europa-List: Expanding Foam > > > Flight, > > Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue > foam > for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom > floor > area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of > rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not > directly > on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses > and > filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. > > Steve > A058 > N15JN > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2005
From: David Glauser <dglauser(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Expanding Foam
I tried it in exactly that location. Don't. Do. It. Really. Trust me. Cleaning that mess up was a royal pain. I then did the job over with proper blue foam. dg wrote: > > Flight, > > Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue foam > for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom floor > area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of > rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not directly > on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses and > filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. > > Steve > A058 > N15JN > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>
Subject: Re: Expanding Foam
Date: Feb 10, 2005
Steve, Ha ha..... I tried this.... what a mess... and I wasn't laughing at the time. Just cut out a bit of ply and cover it over. I find the small area underneath handy for storing tie down ropes and a few tools. You can see a photo under June 2002 on my web site at http://europa363.versadev.com/ Paul ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Expanding Foam
Date: Feb 11, 2005
> Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue foam > for special sculpting uses. > Steve > A058 > N15JN If you mean the stuff from Wicks Aircraft, yes and it's fun stuff. If exact 50/50 mix, it's only somewhat softer than blue foam. But for what you describe, it should work. For some jobs, it doesn't work well; others it's about the only choice. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 10, 2005
From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan(at)YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: test flying my own creation
I am surprised why there aren't any instructors out there offering formal training for the Europa. I would be willing to pay for 10-20 hours if one is available. If I ever get to finish mine, I will surely think about offering such a service. FAA specifically allows renting experimental aircraft for purpose of transition training. --- Graham Singleton wrote: > > > >Subject: RE: Europa-List: test flying my own creation > > > > > > >Hi all, yes I am still here (lurking) > > You're always welcome Bob! Once family, always family > Graham > > > -- > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > > > > > > ===== Andrew Sarangan http://www.geocities.com/asarangan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Fairall" <b_fairall(at)fairalls.co.uk>
Subject: Expanding Foam
Date: Feb 11, 2005
I also found that over a period of time it shrinks a little. Bob Fairall 71 built and flying since 1998, 494 under construction. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding Foam Steve Sounds like a good idea BUT ! I think you will find that the expanding type foam is not very strong (could not sit on it without it squishing down) and the bubbles where it is cut will be too porous to lay glass over without a lot of filler. Sorry ! Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com> Subject: Europa-List: Expanding Foam > > > Flight, > > Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue > foam > for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom > floor > area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of > rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not > directly > on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses > and > filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. > > Steve > A058 > N15JN > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham(at)btclick.com>
Subject: Re: Expanding Foam
Date: Feb 11, 2005
Steve, Contrary to all the other posts on this matter, I have achieved really good results with urethane foam and have used this a lot to join blue-foam blocks when creating plugs. It cuts and sands like blue foam and you can laminate epoxy on to it in the usual way. Rather than two-part I would recommend the cans of urethane foam supplied by builders merchants for gap filling - a far more practical and economical solution. (I have tried both) For your seat base, the trick is to attach the ply base first, then fill the cavity underneath with the foam. The base needs two small holes, one to accept the applicator nozzle and the other to allow excess foam and air to escape. Resist the temptation to clean up any overspill. Once cured, all the mess can be removed neatly and cleanly and easily with a hacksaw blade, knife or abrasive paper. One last tip. Urethane is initiated by water so use something like a plastice bottle with trigger squirter (glass cleaner comes in these) to spray a light mist of water onto all the bond surfaces. The resulting foam will have a far finer cell structure. Without water, the foam may not cure completely and you may end up with a coarse uneven cell structure or worse, a semi-cured brown treacle like gunge. When exposed to light, urethane will degrade in UV but your seat application should be fine. Hope this is of interest. Nigel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm(at)stephenscott.com> Subject: Europa-List: Expanding Foam Flight, Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue foam for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom floor area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not directly on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses and filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. Steve A058 N15JN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2005
Subject: Re: Expanding Foam
From: Gerry Holland <gnholland(at)onetel.com>
Nigel Many Thanks for that detailed explanation. Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3(at)msn.com>
Subject: Expanding Foam
Date: Feb 11, 2005
One answer here might be to use the foam that is used for custom, very-close-fit seats - e.g. in Formula 1 cars? When we did the supersonic car record, the seat used this technology. The 'bag' was filled with the foam and the driver sat in it. He then sat there with a warm bottom while it cured - after which he had a seat that fitted both him and its shell like a glove. I'm considering similar for my Europa left-hand seat: I want to avoid the Hi-Top mod, but I'm 6ft tall and thick seats mean I'm banging my head on the window above. I also like a close-fitting seats anyway. This would enable me to have a shallow but extremely comfortable seat. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1280 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Glauser Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding Foam I tried it in exactly that location. Don't. Do. It. Really. Trust me. Cleaning that mess up was a royal pain. I then did the job over with proper blue foam. dg wrote: > > Flight, > > Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue foam > for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom floor > area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of > rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not directly > on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses and > filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. > > Steve > A058 > N15JN > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Expanding Foam
Date: Feb 11, 2005
I used exactly the same two part foam throughout my motor racing career and always had a perfect fitting seat. The trick is to seal the foam in a plastic bag, I used a dustbin (trash) bag. Make the seat first then do the back rest i.e. make them separately, the quantities are more controllable that way. You can trim and join them together with tape before covering. The only thing to be aware of is that the sacks MUST be well sealed initially as the foam really does expand and WILL leak out if you haven't sealed the sack properly. Also make sure you use VERY LITTLE foam as it expands at a faster rate than the Chinese population! Other than that it's a really easy way to make the perfect fitting seat. Cheers Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey Subject: RE: Europa-List: Expanding Foam --> One answer here might be to use the foam that is used for custom, very-close-fit seats - e.g. in Formula 1 cars? When we did the supersonic car record, the seat used this technology. The 'bag' was filled with the foam and the driver sat in it. He then sat there with a warm bottom while it cured - after which he had a seat that fitted both him and its shell like a glove. I'm considering similar for my Europa left-hand seat: I want to avoid the Hi-Top mod, but I'm 6ft tall and thick seats mean I'm banging my head on the window above. I also like a close-fitting seats anyway. This would enable me to have a shallow but extremely comfortable seat. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1280 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Glauser Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding Foam I tried it in exactly that location. Don't. Do. It. Really. Trust me. Cleaning that mess up was a royal pain. I then did the job over with proper blue foam. dg wrote: > > Flight, > > Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue foam > for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom floor > area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with > pieces of rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in > place (not directly > on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the > hoses and > filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. > > Steve > A058 > N15JN > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
Date: Feb 11, 2005
Hi! Jeff. 6 years is a taxing period for I am Senior !!!! I can't really remember since my PPL was taken in Ormond Beach Florida over 21 days (45 hours total) when the Europa was 3/4 complete after which I tried to get Cessna out of my head !(except it's like riding a bike you never forget!) For what I remember I don't ever recall "flying the 150 into the ground" which I repeatedly did with the Europa . On conversion after about 18 months and no solo flying after the 150 but about 25 hours in the P2 seat I bought a PFA conversion 2 day course by an authorised PFA trainer (the chap is now one of the long haul test pilots for the Airbus 380... great guy)OVER THE TWO DAYS OF GENERALLY CRAP WEATHER DURING WHICH WE SHOULD HAVE ABORTED THE EVENT I DID 52 TOTALLY CRAP LANDINGS AND EACH AND EVERY ONE WAS JUDGED TO HAVE FLOWN INTO THE RUNWAY NOT ALONG IT! We unhesitatingly agreed that I needed more time but at least that two days enabled me to put my previous Mentor into the P2 seat and start over in the P1 seat. The Europa is very slippery and the ratchet item I mentioned is most important but it is such a slight change in rearward stick pressure you only need to think of it to take effect. The point is that if you only slightly relax your arm the bloody thing starts flying again which is where you bounce from, and the pressing of your elbow to the a/c side helps you recognise the pressure and also serves to stop Pilot Induced Oscillation ! I only then needed about 4 hours with the Mentor in the P2 seat after which the Instructor came back and after two landings he was OK about me. There's no way as a novice I would have survived without the two guys helping me and even now after 600 hours I loath dead stick landings ... much prefer to just give the throttle a blip and let the prop. be the settling factor, but of course you need to be prepared for the "donkey stopped" scenario! Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: While on the subject of Europa characteristics R.C.Harrison wrote: > >Hi! Jeff. >Yes, firstly read the Pilots Handbook and really digest it. >Be sure to get your speed controlled and the aircraft trimmed as >recommended for full flaps and correct before you turn on BASE. >Use the control stick as if it were a one way ratchet, don't relax the >control stick pressure what so ever and at the end of the flare try to >fly about 12" above the runway with your elbow rammed tight to the >cockpit side looking ahead (not sideways)to get the attitude of the >aircraft into your head. >In the event of a small bounce snatch the stick right back. >In the event of a large bounce "open the taps" full and go round off the >top of the bounce not forgetting to retract the flaps on climb out.(You >will not correct a big bounce unless the runway is about a mile long !) >Don't try a dead stick landing until you have grasped landings with >coordinated use of engine throttle. >Regards >Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI /Jabiru 3300 >PS. Now listen to all the long hour guys telling you how! > > > Bob, Thanks for the great information. How would you compare the Europa landing characteristics to the light Cessnas, like the 152? -- Jeff - A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
Date: Feb 11, 2005
Hi Bob YOU LEARNED TO FLY AT ORMOND BEACH..! Well that explains a lot! (so did I) :-) Cheers Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: While on the subject of Europa characteristics --> Hi! Jeff. 6 years is a taxing period for I am Senior !!!! I can't really remember since my PPL was taken in Ormond Beach Florida over 21 days (45 hours total) when the Europa was 3/4 complete after which I tried to get Cessna out of my head !(except it's like riding a bike you never forget!) For what I remember I don't ever recall "flying the 150 into the ground" which I repeatedly did with the Europa . On conversion after about 18 months and no solo flying after the 150 but about 25 hours in the P2 seat I bought a PFA conversion 2 day course by an authorised PFA trainer (the chap is now one of the long haul test pilots for the Airbus 380... great guy)OVER THE TWO DAYS OF GENERALLY CRAP WEATHER DURING WHICH WE SHOULD HAVE ABORTED THE EVENT I DID 52 TOTALLY CRAP LANDINGS AND EACH AND EVERY ONE WAS JUDGED TO HAVE FLOWN INTO THE RUNWAY NOT ALONG IT! We unhesitatingly agreed that I needed more time but at least that two days enabled me to put my previous Mentor into the P2 seat and start over in the P1 seat. The Europa is very slippery and the ratchet item I mentioned is most important but it is such a slight change in rearward stick pressure you only need to think of it to take effect. The point is that if you only slightly relax your arm the bloody thing starts flying again which is where you bounce from, and the pressing of your elbow to the a/c side helps you recognise the pressure and also serves to stop Pilot Induced Oscillation ! I only then needed about 4 hours with the Mentor in the P2 seat after which the Instructor came back and after two landings he was OK about me. There's no way as a novice I would have survived without the two guys helping me and even now after 600 hours I loath dead stick landings ... much prefer to just give the throttle a blip and let the prop. be the settling factor, but of course you need to be prepared for the "donkey stopped" scenario! Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: While on the subject of Europa characteristics R.C.Harrison wrote: > >Hi! Jeff. >Yes, firstly read the Pilots Handbook and really digest it. >Be sure to get your speed controlled and the aircraft trimmed as >recommended for full flaps and correct before you turn on BASE. Use the >control stick as if it were a one way ratchet, don't relax the control >stick pressure what so ever and at the end of the flare try to fly >about 12" above the runway with your elbow rammed tight to the cockpit >side looking ahead (not sideways)to get the attitude of the aircraft >into your head. In the event of a small bounce snatch the stick right >back. In the event of a large bounce "open the taps" full and go round >off the >top of the bounce not forgetting to retract the flaps on climb out.(You >will not correct a big bounce unless the runway is about a mile long !) >Don't try a dead stick landing until you have grasped landings with >coordinated use of engine throttle. Regards >Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI /Jabiru 3300 >PS. Now listen to all the long hour guys telling you how! > > > Bob, Thanks for the great information. How would you compare the Europa landing characteristics to the light Cessnas, like the 152? -- Jeff - A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
Date: Feb 11, 2005
Jeff, The closest plane to land like a tri-gear is a Grumman Tiger. The two seat Grummans are close but the Tiger is spot on charicteristic wise. It even free swivels the nose like a Europa trike. In a Europa trike you can take off with any flap setting but I would takeoff with "down aileron flaps" meaning, I put the left aileron down and then match its angle with the flaps. Greatly reduces takeoff run and doesn't require straining to see some hash marks on the wing. Cliff Shaw is on about landings except if you want to land short, and I mean shorter than a mono can, once its about to quit flying and close to the stall get the tail REAL low and hold the nose high, dump the flaps and it will "drop and stop". Jim Thursby -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of N55XS Subject: Europa-List: While on the subject of Europa characteristics I wonder if any of you Tri-gear flyers would be so kind as to comment on any "characteristics" you've noticed on the takeoff/landing of your aircraft. Anything in particular one should be on the lookout for?. Details, please. Thanks in advance... -- Jeff - A055 Getting close to FWF time... -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Expanding Foam
Date: Feb 11, 2005
Better suited to racing cars, as you suggest, as a close fitting seat is not a benefit in a touring aircraft where the ability to squirm occasionally provides much relief. If I had it to do again I would use 2-part foam in the seat base, sculpt it back to a broad shallow dish across the full width of the seat pan (with the aileron torque tube just exposed at the lowest point, depending on height required) and add a ply or two of BID. Then cover with dynfoam and normal upholstery etc. Haven't had a problem with foam in similar uses and the large size of some bubbles are easily spanned by the BID. Obviously not for structural use or where precise dimensional control is needed.. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Expanding Foam <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> > > I used exactly the same two part foam throughout my motor racing career > and always had a perfect fitting seat. The trick is to seal the foam in > a plastic bag, I used a dustbin (trash) bag. Make the seat first then do > the back rest i.e. make them separately, the quantities are more > controllable that way. You can trim and join them together with tape > before covering. The only thing to be aware of is that the sacks MUST be > well sealed initially as the foam really does expand and WILL leak out > if you haven't sealed the sack properly. Also make sure you use VERY > LITTLE foam as it expands at a faster rate than the Chinese population! > Other than that it's a really easy way to make the perfect fitting seat. > Cheers > > Alan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy > Davey > To: europa-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Expanding Foam > > > --> > > One answer here might be to use the foam that is used for custom, > very-close-fit seats - e.g. in Formula 1 cars? > > When we did the supersonic car record, the seat used this technology. > The 'bag' was filled with the foam and the driver sat in it. He then sat > there with a warm bottom while it cured - after which he had a seat that > fitted both him and its shell like a glove. > > I'm considering similar for my Europa left-hand seat: I want to avoid > the Hi-Top mod, but I'm 6ft tall and thick seats mean I'm banging my > head on the window above. I also like a close-fitting seats anyway. This > would enable me to have a shallow but extremely comfortable seat. > > Regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it > is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail > done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with > airbrakes fittings) 1280 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 > turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, > switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Glauser > To: europa-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding Foam > > > I tried it in exactly that location. > > Don't. Do. It. > > Really. Trust me. Cleaning that mess up was a royal pain. I then did the > job over with proper blue foam. > > dg > > > wrote: > > > > > Flight, > > > > Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue > foam > > for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom > floor > > area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with > > pieces of rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in > > place (not > directly > > on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the > > hoses > and > > filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. > > > > Steve > > A058 > > N15JN > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Baltics and Colditz Tour
Date: Feb 11, 2005
Hi! All and Bryan I had declared my intention to try encompass Latvia and Estonia and probably a landing in Poland all to coincide with the week between the Barkaby (Stockholm) Rally on W/E 3rd and 4th 5th June and the Stauning (Denmark) Rally the following W/E 11th 12th June. Since broadly speaking I would think they can all be combined saving repeating the full outbound and return journeys if all were done separately. Somehow now the W/E 18th and 19th is in the frame with Colditz added. So all that needs to be said is that as much as I'd love to be in the Colditz trip I guess I must give it a miss. Should anyone care to tag on to my original suggestion they are quite welcome, however it's not my plan to have a fixed objective other than trying to use up the week between the two rally's and attend them both. This would probably mean departure to Stockholm on 2nd/3rd June and back to UK from Stauning on approx. 12th June. Ivor Phillips will be flying with me again but we will have no advance accommodation plans and depending on weather, dates may change and camping may turn into b&b wherever is appropriate. We will declare our routing to those interested but in no sense of the plan will we be organising a group trip. I also expect to attend the Swiss Rally 19th 20th 21st August. And maybe a "Drop of the Hat" to southern Portugal as a forerunner to a Winter trip there in February 2006. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa 337 trike MKI/Jabiru 3300. -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Allsop [mailto:bryan(at)blackballclub.com] Subject: Baltics and Colditz Tour Hi Bob! Thanks for your e-mail. Yes I recall you telling me about your intentions regarding the Baltic states, but I had not realized the extent of your ambitions. There again the contents of your latest mail bewilder me. It's a fast decline one you hang your boots up. The proposed timescale is not cast in stone. I offered up that date because it does not conflict with anything, but I do not think it would be practical to try to fit the Colditz thing in to co-incide with your magnificent schedule. However if it works out, you will be welcome. I don't think I would fancy aviating in Greece either. I do not think I will foregiive them for jailing those spotters. Cheers Bryan. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2005
From: N55XS <topglock(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: While on the subject of Europa characteristics
Cliff Shaw wrote: > >Jeff > >I guess I qualify to comment on this question. >I started with "Wile E. Coyote" N229WC as a monowheel. I had the first 15 >hours put on my Bob Jacobsen and John Hurst. John gave me 10 hours in >Lakeland in his demonstrator so I was "qualified" for my insurance to fly my >own plane. I made my first landing perfectly. and the 8th one was good too. >In hind sight, I was not getting the plane slow enough when I put it on the >runway. I bounced. At 22 hours I broke the prop and the wife suggested I >"do something" to fix the problem. >Now N22WC is a trike and a "pussycat" to land. It is just as easy to land as >a 152. (a little different due to the low wings) I should have just built >it right the first time :( > >Really, I put down full flaps just before turning Base and back off on the >power, trim for 80MPH, and use the throttle to fly to the fence. Then slow >to 60 MPH and hold it off till it lands. Rather basic approach. The plane >will land at any speed and the only problem I have had is trying to put it >down too fast (hard) . It is best to just fly it on. It would be hard to >goof a landing up (compared to the mono that must nearly stall to land) > >I hope that helps. These are my thought anyway ! > >Cliff Shaw >1041 Euclid ave. >Edmonds, WA 98020 >425 776 5555 >http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > >Rain forecast for a day or two, no flying :( > > > > Thanks, Cliff and everyone else who responded. -- Jeff Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2005
From: Don Heath <d.heath(at)voyager.net>
Subject: Re: S/Steel Classic Exhausts ex Europa
Nigel, I sent you a message a while back, d'ont know if you recieved it,I have cracking on my port aft manifold, stainless muffler, I would appreaciat it if you would send me info on repair ect.Thanks, Don Heath,USA, Mono wheel clasic, A001 nigel charles wrote: > > --> > > >Gidday, > I was one of the guys waiting for a minimum of 10 people to confirm > their > intent to buy an Classic Stainless Steel exhaust. The latest is that the > > manufacturer is not going ahead with the production run because there > are > stock levels at Europa 2004. He did tell me however that the stock is > old > stock and has not been adjusted for the problems identified by Nigel > Charles. So, he asked me to contact Europa 2004 and ask them to give him > a > call, to get the stock returned for the adjustment. I haven't been able > to > get in contact with them, principally because being on the other side of > > the world time zone wise phone calls always clash with family > responsibilities and sleep leaving e-mail as the easiest form of > communication, and to my knowledge that is not possible. I hope so soon. > If you are interested therefore in one of these exhausts that are "not > from > a current run", be aware that without modification they won't fit > easily, > and as I recall from Nigels experience, led to several many hours > nutting > out a fix, involving the manufacturer. To get something from the other > side > of the world and have to return it for rectification is a situation I > would > like to guard myself and others from, being my intent of this message.< > > CKT(who do much of the metal forming for Europa, both the old and new > company) is run by Chris Piper who has made great efforts to correct the > jigging problem associated with the Classic stainless exhaust. I hasten > to add that CKT was not responsible for the original setting up of this > exhaust and I think it admirable that Chris has sorted this problem when > it was not of his making in the first place. I know that he will be > intent on making sure that none of the old stock exhausts are dispatched > to customers before the necessary correction has been made. I know Andy > Draper is well aware of the situation so potential customers have no > reason to be concerned in this respect. Anyone using an old unmodified > exhaust should regularly inspect the port aft manifold for signs of > cracking. They should also consider getting the manifold modified, > either by CKT if in the UK, or by a suitably qualified welder if abroad. > For those abroad I suggest they contact me for advice before proceeding > so that I can help them identify the corrective work necessary. > > Nigel Charles > Europa Club Mods Rep > > > _____________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2005
Subject: Build manual in Portuguese
From: "Alexander Kaarsberg" <kaarsber(at)terra.com.br>
Dear fellow builders, As one of many casualties of Keith Wilsons reign, I was convinced to have the Europa build manual translated to portuguese by a professional aircraft industry translator-..and to put up the money for it.....(!!) Needless to say that when it came to pay back, Keith became even more difficult to contact than normal....so he didn=B4t get a copy of it. I have not been able to convince the new Europa to take on the cost so I now ask the forum if there might be anybody out there who might be interested in having the manual in Portuguese? I have spent in the region of Brazilian Reais 12.000, which corresponds to around US$4.500 (Which is very cheap for this kind of work) and would like to recover at least some of that money. Best regards, Alex, kit 529- still waiting for me to buy engine and instruments.. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TELEDYNMCS(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 12, 2005
Subject: Re: Underseat cavities
In a message dated 2/11/2005 2:58:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, europa-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes: > Flight, > > > >Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue foam > >for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom > floor > >area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of > >rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not directly > >on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses > and > >filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. > > > >Steve > >A058 > >N15JN > > Hi Steve, > > FWIW, I chose to make a flat seat pan from a sandwich of Rohacell foam core > and 2 layers of 'bid each side. The pan is held in place with velcro tabs. I > made brackets out of 'bid to hold the pan panel along the inner side of the > cavity and another one along the outter cavity, at a level even with the > molding in the middle. The inner cavity under the seat is storage for a quart of > oil, fuel tester, rags, lunch etc. The outter cavity contains my headset > jacks. This neatly contains the headset wiring and is superior to having the head > set jacks overhead. The headset wires just disappear behind the seat cushion. > > I can send you pictures of what I've done if you'd like to see them. > > Regards, > > John Lawton > Dunlap, TN > A-245 (Just about to make the panel go blinky-blink.) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TELEDYNMCS(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 12, 2005
Subject: Re: Grumman Tiger
In a message dated 2/12/2005 3:13:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, europa-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes: > The closest plane to land like a tri-gear is a Grumman Tiger. The > two seat Grummans are close but the Tiger is spot on charicteristic wise. Having earned my pilots license in a Grumman Tiger, and having flown several Cheetahs, TR-2's and Grumman trainers, this was my exact observation when I took my first flight with John Hurst in his trigear demo prior to purchasing A-245. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 (Just about to make the panel go blinky-blink.) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer(at)quicknet.nl>
Subject: Re: Grumman Tiger
Date: Feb 12, 2005
Try the DA20 Katana....? ----- Original Message ----- From: <TELEDYNMCS(at)aol.com> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Grumman Tiger > > In a message dated 2/12/2005 3:13:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, > europa-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes: > > > The closest plane to land like a tri-gear is a Grumman Tiger. The > > two seat Grummans are close but the Tiger is spot on charicteristic wise. > > Having earned my pilots license in a Grumman Tiger, and having flown several > Cheetahs, TR-2's and Grumman trainers, this was my exact observation when I > took my first flight with John Hurst in his trigear demo prior to purchasing > A-245. > > Regards, > > John Lawton > Dunlap, TN > A-245 (Just about to make the panel go blinky-blink.) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2005
From: Rowland Carson <rowil(at)clara.net>
Subject: IVOPROP
I've had a chance to speak briefly with the owner of the IVOPROP-equipped Europa. Although it's working reasonably well now, he says he would not choose that prop again. It suffered severe vibration when first installed, so bad that it sometimes affected the governor and caused it to run to full coarse. Took a long time and a lot of work to get it more satisfactory. He's still not convinced that it's giving the best cruise performance as he can't get more than 120kt in level flight. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (740 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2005
Subject: Static connection
From: Gerry Holland <gnholland(at)onetel.com>
Hi to all. Im just finalising the Pitot/Static tubing at rear of Panel and would be interested in some feedback from those Flying their Europas. Has everyone use a traditional STATIC connection to the outside world or have some of you found the Static is OK when vented from within the Cabin area? Regards Gerry Europa 384 G-FIZY Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. PSS AoA Fitted. http://www.g-fizy.com Mobile: +44 7808 402404 WebFax: +44 870 7059985 gnholland(at)onetel.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2005
From: Paul Boulet <possibletodo(at)YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Static connection
if I was doing it over again I'd vent inside the cabin... Paul Boulet, N914PB --- Gerry Holland wrote: > > > Hi to all. > > Im just finalising the Pitot/Static tubing at rear > of Panel and would be > interested in some feedback from those Flying their > Europas. > > Has everyone use a traditional STATIC connection to > the outside world or > have some of you found the Static is OK when vented > from within the Cabin > area? > > Regards > > Gerry > > Europa 384 G-FIZY > Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. > Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 > Transponder. > PSS AoA Fitted. > > http://www.g-fizy.com > Mobile: +44 7808 402404 > WebFax: +44 870 7059985 > gnholland(at)onetel.com > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Timothy.P.Ward" <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Static connection
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Gerry, I used the tradition static connection. When calibrating the airspeed during the flight testing, the position error was very small. (accurately achieved these days with the help of GPS!!!)I have therefore installed a tee from the static line behind the panel leading to the cabin below the panel and within reach of the pilot. This is my alternate source however I haven't check it but have heard from other flyers it is just as good. Cheers, Tim > > From: Gerry Holland <gnholland(at)onetel.com> > Date: 2005/02/13 Sun AM 07:04:25 GMT+13:00 > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Static connection > > > Hi to all. > > Im just finalising the Pitot/Static tubing at rear of Panel and would be > interested in some feedback from those Flying their Europas. > > Has everyone use a traditional STATIC connection to the outside world or > have some of you found the Static is OK when vented from within the Cabin > area? > > Regards > > Gerry > > Europa 384 G-FIZY > Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. > Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. > PSS AoA Fitted. > > http://www.g-fizy.com > Mobile: +44 7808 402404 > WebFax: +44 870 7059985 > gnholland(at)onetel.com > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2005
Subject: Re: Static connection
From: Gerry Holland <gnholland(at)onetel.com>
Tim Hi! Many thanks for the Static source information. Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Static connection
Date: Feb 12, 2005
I too use cockpit static and find it to be as "accurate" as the Factory wing mounted position. That is, it makes no measurable difference to the airspeed. What I have not checked particularly accurately is what difference it makes to Mode C altitude reporting. If the static pressure was out by a couple of mph then this would go unnoticed during ASI 'calibration' but could result in altitude misreporting of 30' or so, which could be enough to make a marginally acceptable Mode C set-up unacceptable. Perhaps someone would like to check my maths on this one. Has anyone tried placing a sensitive ASI across both statics to see if there is a significant differential? Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland(at)onetel.com> Subject: Europa-List: Static connection > > Hi to all. > > Im just finalising the Pitot/Static tubing at rear of Panel and would be > interested in some feedback from those Flying their Europas. > > Has everyone use a traditional STATIC connection to the outside world or > have some of you found the Static is OK when vented from within the Cabin > area? > > Regards > > Gerry > > Europa 384 G-FIZY > Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. > Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. > PSS AoA Fitted. > > http://www.g-fizy.com > Mobile: +44 7808 402404 > WebFax: +44 870 7059985 > gnholland(at)onetel.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 12, 2005
From: N55XS <topglock(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Underseat cavities
TELEDYNMCS(at)aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 2/11/2005 2:58:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, >europa-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes: > > > >>Flight, >> >> >>>Has anyone ever used a two part expanding foam to use in place of blue foam >>>for special sculpting uses. I want to get a custom fit for the bottom >>> >>> >>floor >> >> >>>area under the seats and don't really want to have to do it with pieces of >>>rigid foam which I currently have in place. Pour it in place (not directly >>>on the bottom but on plastic on the bottom), expand around all the hoses >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>filters in the seat bottom and then cut the top to fit. >>> >>>Steve >>>A058 >>>N15JN >>> >>> >>Hi Steve, >> >>FWIW, I chose to make a flat seat pan from a sandwich of Rohacell foam core >>and 2 layers of 'bid each side. The pan is held in place with velcro tabs. I >>made brackets out of 'bid to hold the pan panel along the inner side of the >>cavity and another one along the outter cavity, at a level even with the >>molding in the middle. The inner cavity under the seat is storage for a quart of >>oil, fuel tester, rags, lunch etc. The outter cavity contains my headset >>jacks. This neatly contains the headset wiring and is superior to having the head >>set jacks overhead. The headset wires just disappear behind the seat cushion. >> >>I can send you pictures of what I've done if you'd like to see them. >> >>Regards, >> >>John Lawton >>Dunlap, TN >>A-245 (Just about to make the panel go blinky-blink.) >> >> I used plywood to construct a removable seat bottom. Pics at my site, May 30 entry... -- Jeff - A055 Ready for paint and waiting for FWF, engine and prop. Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: S/Steel Classic Exhausts ex Europa
Date: Feb 13, 2005
>I sent you a message a while back, d'ont know if you recieved it,I have cracking on my port aft manifold, stainless muffler, I would appreaciat it if you would send me info on repair ect< I did reply at the time. Sorry that you did not receive it OK. The info you need is as follows: The problem was caused by a slight error in the setup of the jig. The present exhaust manufacturer was not at fault and although they inherited the problem they have used my exhaust as a prototype to get it right. However as you are US based it would be easier and cheaper to get yours fixed locally. As you don't have a jig you will need to use your engine instead. If the exhaust fits such that all the manifolds can be positioned snugly without any loads then it is OK. As yours is cracked it is highly likely that that it has been caused by stresses pulling the port manifold away from its unstressed position. If this is the case proceed as follows: 1. Fit all the exhaust minus the port rear manifold. Make sure all parts fit without undue stress. 2. Get your local qualified welder to modify the port manifold tube such that it can be fitted without stress. The cracks on mine occurred around the joining collar in the manifold. It is probably best to reuse the existing upstream part and get your welder to remake a piece to join to the muffler part. 3. If the part is made correctly it should be possible to remove and refit the manifold without removing the whole exhaust. To do this, after having removed the exhaust nuts and springs, rotate the manifold and it should swing away from the engine enough to withdraw it from the muffler. As an aside the latest exhaust nuts (which are copper coloured) are slightly smaller which makes removal and refitting easier. I highly recommend replacing these anyway as they can work loose if they are removed and refitted too many times. Come back to me if you have more questions. Regards Nigel Charles ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Static connection
Date: Feb 13, 2005
"Duncan McFadyean" wrote: > > I too use cockpit static and find it to be as "accurate" as the Factory wing > mounted position. That is, it makes no measurable difference to the > airspeed. > > What I have not checked particularly accurately is what difference it makes > to Mode C altitude reporting. > If the encoder is plumbed to the same static source as the altimeter, as it should be, then both encoder and altimeter will "read" the same...but not necessarily accurate altitude. I recall a couple occasions in the other plane where the static line sprung a healthy leak, and pulling an air vent open caused the altimeter to instantly read at least a 100 feet lower. On the bright side, for "hard" IFR, it would be nice to gain another 100' or so on minimum descent altitude just by closing the vents. :-) For VFR, I suppose we could also correct for just a little too slow on final by just adjusting the vents??? Reg, Fred F. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca>
Subject: Anguish..........
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Cheers, I attended the EAA/RAA chapter locally last Friday to hear the pricipal speaker, a qualified fuel expert who acts as Quality Control for a large petroleum firm in Canada. His topic was future fuels. Fuel and its derivatives when operated in Canada is a provincial affair, since trade and commerce come under provincial jurisdiction unless exported. Our speaker pointed out that theProvinciual Premier had called for and is acting on a proposal to increase the ethanol content of motor car fuels to an average of 5% over the next few years to a present-day maximum of 10% anywhere. This is somewhat nebulous in intent, since the plan is to reduce noxious exhausts, especially in the greater Toronto area (GTA). The fuel has become known as E10. Whether it means 5% everywhere or that Toronto (being the greatest offender) will have 10 while outlying districts will carry much less - is still up in the air. There is feeling that this trend will increase in popularity across the land. Naturally this is of interest to those such as myself who were planning on the use of MoGas as is advertised in Rotaz and Europa materials. Slightly less than half the attendees owned Rotax or similar, using MoGas. The bulk of his topic was the destructive qualities tested in labs to date. The conclusion is that E10 will wreak havoc on aluminum fuel lines and most rubber-type tubing, including many of the epoxy and like materials. So there I am - fuel lines aluminum alloy where difficult to get at (in order to avoid the difficulties of changing same at periodic times) - I had taken great care to avoid vibration threats - AND the Europa standard fuel tank of the 1997 vintage (already changed once after leaks detected in original tank, and fuel filler tube also changed). In view of the popularity of the Premier's edict (TO. is swiftly becoming a choking zone at rush hour) without incurring the rural wrath, there seems no point in objecting. This of course accounts for the Subject title and my preliminary dread. At the moment it looks like I have built an aircraft with a sword over its head (to say nothing of dwindling resources). So my purpose in writing is to clang the bell on coming trends for those as yet unaware, and to beg some good news that E10 will not eat through my embedded fuel cell. I find the idea of changing fuel lines (we were told that stainless is not free of threat) abhorrent enough without worse news. Tell me it ain't so! Ferg Monowheel Classic 914 - sanding sanding sanding ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Anguish..........
From: Gerry Holland <gnholland(at)onetel.com>
Ferg Hi! We are all in Europe suffering various changes in composition of delivered Fuels having started years back with the first unleaded changes. In all of these ensuing years the combustion Engine and it's fuel supply has coped with some minor and major tweaks to the systems. It will be worth monitoring and investigating what the Automotive Industry are feeling on the subject. Cars have Aluminium and plastic throughout them for fuel transfer and storage so I cannot envisage your feeling of trepidation being accepted technically or politically. It has to be said I'm a little of an optimist but I've a feeling all will work out through additives or other subtle changes. I will be interested in other more informed responses. Fortunately we have an election in next few months! Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MJKTuck(at)cs.com
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: Icom A-200 Comm
Hi Folks, Anyone else wired up an Icom A-200? The instructions ask for two pairs of 18 swg for power and ground. By that I assume they mean one pair of 18 swg wires for power and one pair of 18 swg wires for ground. Power goes to two pins (14 & R) and ground to four pins (6,15,F & S). Do all these pins have to carry two 18 swg wires? I think I might have trouble getting two wires into the Molex pin and fit in the plastic Molex connector. Any advice would be appreciated. Regards, Martin Tuck N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Icom A-200 Comm
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Whatever you do with the A200 , make sure you use a separate intercom setup with mic squelch (dont use their integrated one). The reason I say this is because there is no microphone squelch and you will have cockpit noise piped into your headsets via the mics all the time. We use ANR headsets but guess what, no amount of ANR will eliminate what gets in via the mics and noise cancelling microphones will not cancel out all of the cockpit noise. The implication of this is that all incoming transmissions are corrupted by the cockpit noise entering via the mics. This makes them harder to decipher. With mic squelch the mic input is silenced enabling clearer incoming transmissions. ----- Original Message ----- From: <MJKTuck(at)cs.com> Subject: Europa-List: Icom A-200 Comm > > Hi Folks, > > Anyone else wired up an Icom A-200? The instructions ask for two pairs of > 18 > swg for power and ground. By that I assume they mean one pair of 18 swg > wires > for power and one pair of 18 swg wires for ground. > > Power goes to two pins (14 & R) and ground to four pins (6,15,F & S). Do > all > these pins have to carry two 18 swg wires? I think I might have trouble > getting two wires into the Molex pin and fit in the plastic Molex > connector. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Regards, > Martin Tuck > N152MT > Wichita, Kansas > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Icom A-200 Comm
From: Gerry Holland <gnholland(at)onetel.com>
Martin Hi! > Anyone else wired up an Icom A-200? Yes. > Power goes to two pins (14 & R) and ground to four pins (6,15,F & S). Do all > these pins have to carry two 18 swg wires? I think I might have trouble > getting two wires into the Molex pin and fit in the plastic Molex connector. No. I placed 18 swg into each pin and then about 3" back from MOLEX ran them into a bunch, added a connecting wire and took them back to Power and Ground as required for each. Each Pin only has a single wire. The join is made externally by whatever you feel suitable. Mine were soldered and then protected by suitable shrink wrap. It works fine. The best laugh was that after I wired it I fitted the Molex UPSIDE DOWN, got no power, received help from a Radio Ham friend who couldn't spot the problem and eventually sent it back to Icom where there was no fault found..... Really!!! Panel wiring has it's moments. Hope that helps. Regards Gerry Europa 384 G-FIZY Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. PSS AoA Fitted. http://www.g-fizy.com Mobile: +44 7808 402404 WebFax: +44 870 7059985 gnholland(at)onetel.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Anguish..........
From: Gerry Holland <gnholland(at)onetel.com>
> < What difference will that make?! Patience man! You'll have to wait and see! Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Static connection
From: "steve v." <s.vestuti(at)btinternet.com>
Date: Feb 13, 2005
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty well i wish i knew all this sooner !, i could have wired the two spare switches on top of the control stick to a servo unit linked to the vents thereby giving me remote altitude control without increasing/decreasing rpm. thank you in advance :-) ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl(at)msn.com>
Subject: Anguish..........
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Ferg, I am obviously concerned about the same issue. I contacted Rotax direct some time ago, and they say that an ethanol content above 5% is a NONO. It causes detonation, internal corrosion and possible engine failure. Your concern about fuel lines in comparison is irrelevant. As recommended by COPA, I have also written to the Ontario premier explaining the situation, and also including a copy of an EAA article outlining the same problem in Montana. We are all hoping that the ruling is modified whereby the premium 91 octane (North American) fuel is supplied without ethanol. If you think this is to do with global warming, think again. It is all to do with supporting the poor impoverished farmers. If anyone from Brazil is on this forum, can you enlighten us on what you use for Rotax fuel ? I remember your cities having a strong smell of alcohol 20 years ago from car exhaust fumes. Karl >From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca> >Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com >To: "EUROPALIST" >Subject: Europa-List: Anguish.......... >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:28:10 -0500 > > >Cheers, > I attended the EAA/RAA chapter locally last Friday to hear the >pricipal speaker, a qualified fuel expert who acts as Quality Control for a >large petroleum firm in Canada. His topic was future fuels. Fuel and its >derivatives when operated in Canada is a provincial affair, since trade and >commerce come under provincial jurisdiction unless exported. > Our speaker pointed out that theProvinciual Premier had called >for and is acting on a proposal to increase the ethanol content of motor >car >fuels to an average of 5% over the next few years to a present-day maximum >of 10% anywhere. This is somewhat nebulous in intent, since the plan is to >reduce noxious exhausts, especially in the greater Toronto area (GTA). The >fuel has become known as E10. Whether it means 5% everywhere or that >Toronto >(being the greatest offender) will have 10 while outlying districts will >carry much less - is still up in the air. There is feeling that this trend >will increase in popularity across the land. > Naturally this is of interest to those such as myself who were >planning on the use of MoGas as is advertised in Rotaz and Europa >materials. >Slightly less than half the attendees owned Rotax or similar, using MoGas. > The bulk of his topic was the destructive qualities tested in >labs to date. The conclusion is that E10 will wreak havoc on aluminum fuel >lines and most rubber-type tubing, including many of the epoxy and like >materials. So there I am - fuel lines aluminum alloy where difficult to get >at (in order to avoid the difficulties of changing same at periodic times) >- >I had taken great care to avoid vibration threats - AND the Europa standard >fuel tank of the 1997 vintage (already changed once after leaks detected in >original tank, and fuel filler tube also changed). > In view of the popularity of the Premier's edict (TO. is >swiftly >becoming a choking zone at rush hour) without incurring the rural wrath, >there seems no point in objecting. This of course accounts for the Subject >title and my preliminary dread. At the moment it looks like I have built an >aircraft with a sword over its head (to say nothing of dwindling >resources). > So my purpose in writing is to clang the bell on coming trends >for those as yet unaware, and to beg some good news that E10 will not eat >through my embedded fuel cell. I find the idea of changing fuel lines (we >were told that stainless is not free of threat) abhorrent enough without >worse news. > Tell me it ain't so! >Ferg Monowheel Classic 914 - sanding sanding sanding > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MJKTuck(at)cs.com
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Icom A-200 Comm
Hi Carl, I'm using a Flightcom 403MC intercom therefore bypassing the inbuilt auto-squelch in the A-200 which others had found to be a problem. Regards, Martin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MJKTuck(at)cs.com
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Icom A-200 Comm
In a message dated 2/13/2005 4:10:21 PM Central Standard Time, gnholland(at)onetel.com writes: > and took them back to Power and Ground as required for each>> Single wires then for each pin then 'as required' presumably means joining them to the pair (as mentioned in the instructions) of 18 swg for power and a pair of 18 swg for ground? Martin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Stribling" <ken(at)striblingranch.com>
Subject: Icom A-200 Comm
Date: Feb 13, 2005
I used jumper wires on mine to hook up in series, If I remember right one power lead controlled the display Ken S. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MJKTuck(at)cs.com Subject: Europa-List: Icom A-200 Comm Hi Folks, Anyone else wired up an Icom A-200? The instructions ask for two pairs of 18 swg for power and ground. By that I assume they mean one pair of 18 swg wires for power and one pair of 18 swg wires for ground. Power goes to two pins (14 & R) and ground to four pins (6,15,F & S). Do all these pins have to carry two 18 swg wires? I think I might have trouble getting two wires into the Molex pin and fit in the plastic Molex connector. Any advice would be appreciated. Regards, Martin Tuck N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>
Subject: Speed Vs. Air density.
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Hi all, I was wondering if some that was a little more versed in aerodynamics could quantify my observations. I am finding that with my 914 Turbo that for a constant power setting I pick up some where between 1.5 ~ 2.0 knots per 1000'. Is this valid or just wishful thinking. Paul ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca>
Subject: Re: Anguish..........
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Karl, That's true regarding the Rotax NO-NO, and in our case, that may be our saving. If the intent was to concentrate E10 in the TO. area (because of pollution from cars), then to maintain the 5% average, outlying areas may not have any (farmer friendly). That would mean avoiding the cities in general. The stuff is bad news on aluminum alloy - and that's why Rotax rebels I think - alu parts. Please let me know what the [inevitable] response is. I suspect it will skirt the issue since politicians and their ilk aren't supposed to lie any more. Ferg PS The argument is coming to many other lands too. Brazil uses up to 80% ethanol I was told. Their reply should be interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl(at)msn.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Anguish.......... | | | Ferg, | | I am obviously concerned about the same issue. I contacted Rotax direct some | time ago, and they say that an ethanol content above 5% is a NONO. It causes | detonation, internal corrosion and possible engine failure. Your concern | about fuel lines in comparison is irrelevant. | As recommended by COPA, I have also written to the Ontario premier | explaining the situation, and also including a copy of an EAA article | outlining the same problem in Montana. We are all hoping that the ruling is | modified whereby the premium 91 octane (North American) fuel is supplied | without ethanol. | If you think this is to do with global warming, think again. It is all to do | with supporting the poor impoverished farmers. | If anyone from Brazil is on this forum, can you enlighten us on what you use | for Rotax fuel ? | I remember your cities having a strong smell of alcohol 20 years ago from | car exhaust fumes. | | Karl | | | >From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca> | >Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com | >To: "EUROPALIST" | >Subject: Europa-List: Anguish.......... | >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:28:10 -0500 | > | > | >Cheers, | > I attended the EAA/RAA chapter locally last Friday to hear the | >pricipal speaker, a qualified fuel expert who acts as Quality Control for a | >large petroleum firm in Canada. His topic was future fuels. Fuel and its | >derivatives when operated in Canada is a provincial affair, since trade and | >commerce come under provincial jurisdiction unless exported. | > Our speaker pointed out that theProvinciual Premier had called | >for and is acting on a proposal to increase the ethanol content of motor | >car | >fuels to an average of 5% over the next few years to a present-day maximum | >of 10% anywhere. This is somewhat nebulous in intent, since the plan is to | >reduce noxious exhausts, especially in the greater Toronto area (GTA). The | >fuel has become known as E10. Whether it means 5% everywhere or that | >Toronto | >(being the greatest offender) will have 10 while outlying districts will | >carry much less - is still up in the air. There is feeling that this trend | >will increase in popularity across the land. | > Naturally this is of interest to those such as myself who were | >planning on the use of MoGas as is advertised in Rotaz and Europa | >materials. | >Slightly less than half the attendees owned Rotax or similar, using MoGas. | > The bulk of his topic was the destructive qualities tested in | >labs to date. The conclusion is that E10 will wreak havoc on aluminum fuel | >lines and most rubber-type tubing, including many of the epoxy and like | >materials. So there I am - fuel lines aluminum alloy where difficult to get | >at (in order to avoid the difficulties of changing same at periodic times) | >- | >I had taken great care to avoid vibration threats - AND the Europa standard | >fuel tank of the 1997 vintage (already changed once after leaks detected in | >original tank, and fuel filler tube also changed). | > In view of the popularity of the Premier's edict (TO. is | >swiftly | >becoming a choking zone at rush hour) without incurring the rural wrath, | >there seems no point in objecting. This of course accounts for the Subject | >title and my preliminary dread. At the moment it looks like I have built an | >aircraft with a sword over its head (to say nothing of dwindling | >resources). | > So my purpose in writing is to clang the bell on coming trends | >for those as yet unaware, and to beg some good news that E10 will not eat | >through my embedded fuel cell. I find the idea of changing fuel lines (we | >were told that stainless is not free of threat) abhorrent enough without | >worse news. | > Tell me it ain't so! | >Ferg Monowheel Classic 914 - sanding sanding sanding | > | > | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3(at)msn.com>
Subject: Speed Vs. Air density.
Date: Feb 14, 2005
How are you measuring that, Paul? ASI, GPS corrected for wind, track/time corrected for wind? Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1290 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Subject: Europa-List: Speed Vs. Air density. Hi all, I was wondering if some that was a little more versed in aerodynamics could quantify my observations. I am finding that with my 914 Turbo that for a constant power setting I pick up some where between 1.5 ~ 2.0 knots per 1000'. Is this valid or just wishful thinking. Paul ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr(at)growzone.com.au>
Subject: Rotax Fuel Return Restrictor
Date: Feb 14, 2005
All, I don't know if the fuel return line restrictor is the same for all the Rotax engines or not but I have just a plain vanilla Rotax 912 so . . . . could anybody enlighten me as to the shape/dimensions and hole size in the restrictor please. I would have envisioned the restrictor to be just a small cylinder with a hole down the centre but the Mod 40 instructions say to put the restrictor in the end of the hose with its 'plain' end facing outwards. Plain end ? makes me wonder what's on the other end ??? Thanks in anticipation. Kingsley Hurst Mono Classic 281 in Oz. Lots of things still to be done. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Subject: Re: Anguish..........
From: "Alexander Kaarsberg" <kaarsber(at)terra.com.br>
All, Car gas/petrol all Brazil through contains between 20 and 25% alcohol, I believe it is ethanol. I have never gotten to speak directly to any Rotax owners about the issue, but I have had second hand reports and there are a number of positions. The official Rotax attitude here (and I presume it comes from Kodiak) is that automotive fuel is not recommended due to the corrosive effects from the high water content the alcohol CAN hold. A number of Rotax owners here say it is not so bad in practice and that the consequenses of lead build-up is in many cases worse when using avgas- and the difference in cost between the two compensates for a lot anyway. Detonation should not be an issue though, as far as I know alcohol has a high resistance to knocking...cars that run on pure alcohol here has about 20% higher compression rate than gas driven ones. Some people talk of filling drums 3/4 with cargas, topping off with water, mixing it all very well for the alcohol and the water to merge and then drain the water out, leaving gasoline only..... Embraer have come up with a cropsprayer that flies on alcohol only with a Lycontissaurus engine... Regards, Alex, kit 529 De:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com Para:europa-list(at)matronics.com C=F3pia: Assunto:Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... > > Karl, > That's true regarding the Rotax NO-NO, and in our case, that may > be our saving. If the intent was to concentrate E10 in the TO. area (because > of pollution from cars), then to maintain the 5% average, outlying areas may > not have any (farmer friendly). That would mean avoiding the cities in > general. The stuff is bad news on aluminum alloy - and that's why Rotax > rebels I think - alu parts. > Please let me know what the [inevitable] response is. I suspect it will > skirt the issue since politicians and their ilk aren't supposed to lie any > more. > Ferg > PS The argument is coming to many other lands too. Brazil uses up to 80% > ethanol I was told. Their reply should be interesting. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KARL HEINDL" > To: > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Anguish.......... > > > | > | > | Ferg, > | > | I am obviously concerned about the same issue. I contacted Rotax direct > some > | time ago, and they say that an ethanol content above 5% is a NONO. It > causes > | detonation, internal corrosion and possible engine failure. Your concern > | about fuel lines in comparison is irrelevant. > | As recommended by COPA, I have also written to the Ontario premier > | explaining the situation, and also including a copy of an EAA article > | outlining the same problem in Montana. We are all hoping that the ruling > is > | modified whereby the premium 91 octane (North American) fuel is supplied > | without ethanol. > | If you think this is to do with global warming, think again. It is all to > do > | with supporting the poor impoverished farmers. > | If anyone from Brazil is on this forum, can you enlighten us on what you > use > | for Rotax fuel ? > | I remember your cities having a strong smell of alcohol 20 years ago from > | car exhaust fumes. > | > | Karl > | > | > | >From: "Fergus Kyle" > | >Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com > | >To: "EUROPALIST" > | >Subject: Europa-List: Anguish.......... > | >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:28:10 -0500 > | > > | > > | >Cheers, > | > I attended the EAA/RAA chapter locally last Friday to hear > the > | >pricipal speaker, a qualified fuel expert who acts as Quality Control for > a > | >large petroleum firm in Canada. His topic was future fuels. Fuel and its > | >derivatives when operated in Canada is a provincial affair, since trade > and > | >commerce come under provincial jurisdiction unless exported. > | > Our speaker pointed out that theProvinciual Premier had > called > | >for and is acting on a proposal to increase the ethanol content of motor > | >car > | >fuels to an average of 5% over the next few years to a present-day > maximum > | >of 10% anywhere. This is somewhat nebulous in intent, since the plan is > to > | >reduce noxious exhausts, especially in the greater Toronto area (GTA). > The > | >fuel has become known as E10. Whether it means 5% everywhere or that > | >Toronto > | >(being the greatest offender) will have 10 while outlying districts will > | >carry much less - is still up in the air. There is feeling that this > trend > | >will increase in popularity across the land. > | > Naturally this is of interest to those such as myself who > were > | >planning on the use of MoGas as is advertised in Rotaz and Europa > | >materials. > | >Slightly less than half the attendees owned Rotax or similar, using > MoGas. > | > The bulk of his topic was the destructive qualities tested > in > | >labs to date. The conclusion is that E10 will wreak havoc on aluminum > fuel > | >lines and most rubber-type tubing, including many of the epoxy and like > | >materials. So there I am - fuel lines aluminum alloy where difficult to > get > | >at (in order to avoid the difficulties of changing same at periodic > times) > | >- > | >I had taken great care to avoid vibration threats - AND the Europa > standard > | >fuel tank of the 1997 vintage (already changed once after leaks detected > in > | >original tank, and fuel filler tube also changed). > | > In view of the popularity of the Premier's edict (TO. is > | >swiftly > | >becoming a choking zone at rush hour) without incurring the rural wrath, > | >there seems no point in objecting. This of course accounts for the > Subject > | >title and my preliminary dread. At the moment it looks like I have built > an > | >aircraft with a sword over its head (to say nothing of dwindling > | >resources). > | > So my purpose in writing is to clang the bell on coming > trends > | >for those as yet unaware, and to beg some good news that E10 will not eat > | >through my embedded fuel cell. I find the idea of changing fuel lines (we > | >were told that stainless is not free of threat) abhorrent enough without > | >worse news. > | > Tell me it ain't so! > | >Ferg Monowheel Classic 914 - sanding sanding sanding > | > > | > > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > > > > > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em 09/02/2005 / Vers=E3o: 4.4.00 - Dat 4427 > Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Anguish..........
Date: Feb 14, 2005
All, I don't really understand all the implications, and why ethanol is okay for car engines, most of which are also made of aluminum with metal fuel lines, and not for certain aircaft engines. I can only go by what the man from Rotax told me. I understand that other vehicles are also affected, maybe snowmobiles and similar. According to the maintenance manual, the Rotax has internal corrosion proofing, so what's the problem ? I don't expect a reply from the premier's office but we will have to keep an eye on what COPA/AOPA and EAA will be able to accomplish. The only hope is that the premium gasoline is exempted, as this is used by relatively few cars. Karl >From: "Alexander Kaarsberg" <kaarsber(at)terra.com.br> >Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com >To: "europa-list" >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:43:00 -0300 > > > >All, > >Car gas/petrol all Brazil through contains between 20 and 25% alcohol, I >believe it is ethanol. >I have never gotten to speak directly to any Rotax owners about the issue, >but I have had second hand reports and there are a number of positions. >The official Rotax attitude here (and I presume it comes from Kodiak) is >that automotive fuel is not recommended due to the corrosive effects from >the high water content the alcohol CAN hold. A number of Rotax owners here >say it is not so bad in practice and that the consequenses of lead build-up >is in many cases worse when using avgas- and the difference in cost between >the two compensates for a lot anyway. >Detonation should not be an issue though, as far as I know alcohol has a >high resistance to knocking...cars that run on pure alcohol here has about >20% higher compression rate than gas driven ones. > >Some people talk of filling drums 3/4 with cargas, topping off with water, >mixing it all very well for the alcohol and the water to merge and then >drain the water out, leaving gasoline only..... > >Embraer have come up with a cropsprayer that flies on alcohol only with a >Lycontissaurus engine... > >Regards, > >Alex, kit 529 >De:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com > >Para:europa-list(at)matronics.com > >C=F3pia: > > >Assunto:Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... > > > > > > Karl, > > That's true regarding the Rotax NO-NO, and in our case, that may > > be our saving. If the intent was to concentrate E10 in the TO. area >(because > > of pollution from cars), then to maintain the 5% average, outlying areas >may > > not have any (farmer friendly). That would mean avoiding the cities in > > general. The stuff is bad news on aluminum alloy - and that's why Rotax > > rebels I think - alu parts. > > Please let me know what the [inevitable] response is. I suspect it will > > skirt the issue since politicians and their ilk aren't supposed to lie >any > > more. > > Ferg > > PS The argument is coming to many other lands too. Brazil uses up to 80% > > ethanol I was told. Their reply should be interesting. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "KARL HEINDL" > > To: > > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Anguish.......... > > > > > > | > > | > > | Ferg, > > | > > | I am obviously concerned about the same issue. I contacted Rotax >direct > > some > > | time ago, and they say that an ethanol content above 5% is a NONO. It > > causes > > | detonation, internal corrosion and possible engine failure. Your >concern > > | about fuel lines in comparison is irrelevant. > > | As recommended by COPA, I have also written to the Ontario premier > > | explaining the situation, and also including a copy of an EAA article > > | outlining the same problem in Montana. We are all hoping that the >ruling > > is > > | modified whereby the premium 91 octane (North American) fuel is >supplied > > | without ethanol. > > | If you think this is to do with global warming, think again. It is all >to > > do > > | with supporting the poor impoverished farmers. > > | If anyone from Brazil is on this forum, can you enlighten us on what >you > > use > > | for Rotax fuel ? > > | I remember your cities having a strong smell of alcohol 20 years ago >from > > | car exhaust fumes. > > | > > | Karl > > | > > | > > | >From: "Fergus Kyle" > > | >Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com > > | >To: "EUROPALIST" > > | >Subject: Europa-List: Anguish.......... > > | >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:28:10 -0500 > > | > > > | > > > | >Cheers, > > | > I attended the EAA/RAA chapter locally last Friday to hear > > the > > | >pricipal speaker, a qualified fuel expert who acts as Quality Control >for > > a > > | >large petroleum firm in Canada. His topic was future fuels. Fuel and >its > > | >derivatives when operated in Canada is a provincial affair, since >trade > > and > > | >commerce come under provincial jurisdiction unless exported. > > | > Our speaker pointed out that theProvinciual Premier had > > called > > | >for and is acting on a proposal to increase the ethanol content of >motor > > | >car > > | >fuels to an average of 5% over the next few years to a present-day > > maximum > > | >of 10% anywhere. This is somewhat nebulous in intent, since the plan >is > > to > > | >reduce noxious exhausts, especially in the greater Toronto area >(GTA). > > The > > | >fuel has become known as E10. Whether it means 5% everywhere or that > > | >Toronto > > | >(being the greatest offender) will have 10 while outlying districts >will > > | >carry much less - is still up in the air. There is feeling that this > > trend > > | >will increase in popularity across the land. > > | > Naturally this is of interest to those such as myself who > > were > > | >planning on the use of MoGas as is advertised in Rotaz and Europa > > | >materials. > > | >Slightly less than half the attendees owned Rotax or similar, using > > MoGas. > > | > The bulk of his topic was the destructive qualities tested > > in > > | >labs to date. The conclusion is that E10 will wreak havoc on aluminum > > fuel > > | >lines and most rubber-type tubing, including many of the epoxy and >like > > | >materials. So there I am - fuel lines aluminum alloy where difficult >to > > get > > | >at (in order to avoid the difficulties of changing same at periodic > > times) > > | >- > > | >I had taken great care to avoid vibration threats - AND the Europa > > standard > > | >fuel tank of the 1997 vintage (already changed once after leaks >detected > > in > > | >original tank, and fuel filler tube also changed). > > | > In view of the popularity of the Premier's edict (TO. is > > | >swiftly > > | >becoming a choking zone at rush hour) without incurring the rural >wrath, > > | >there seems no point in objecting. This of course accounts for the > > Subject > > | >title and my preliminary dread. At the moment it looks like I have >built > > an > > | >aircraft with a sword over its head (to say nothing of dwindling > > | >resources). > > | > So my purpose in writing is to clang the bell on coming > > trends > > | >for those as yet unaware, and to beg some good news that E10 will not >eat > > | >through my embedded fuel cell. I find the idea of changing fuel lines >(we > > | >were told that stainless is not free of threat) abhorrent enough >without > > | >worse news. > > | > Tell me it ain't so! > > | >Ferg Monowheel Classic 914 - sanding sanding sanding > > | > > > | > > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > > Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em 09/02/2005 / Vers=E3o: >4.4.00 - Dat 4427 > > Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <wingnut54(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re:Icom A200
Date: Feb 14, 2005
I just completed the same task. I did not use 2 18ga wires only one, assuming a grammer use problem. What is the purpose of using 2 18ga wires anyway? If the current is high enough for two then why not use a larger wire to begin with? Reason, if one were to break then the remaining one is now a fusible link.(?) Perhaps a call to tech support is in order. BTW I hooked mine to a Sigtronics SPA 400 and they were very helpful and knowlegable of the A200. Troy Maynor Monowheel Classic UK120 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Gregory" <m.j.gregory(at)talk21.com>
Subject: Speed Vs. Air density.
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Paul, If you are using a manifold absolute pressure (MAP) gauge and RPM to measure power, and are keeping these constant while you measure speed at different altitudes, you will actually be experiencing an increase in engine power with altitude because the reduction in exhaust back pressure increases the efficiency of the combustion cycle. This affects both normally-aspirated and turbo-charged engines, but of course the turbo will increase the power available because of the boost it can provide. I am sure any thermodynamicist could quantify the effect, but I'm not attempting this! Mike Europa Club Safety Officer Hi all, I was wondering if some that was a little more versed in aerodynamics could quantify my observations. I am finding that with my 914 Turbo that for a constant power setting I pick up some where between 1.5 ~ 2.0 knots per 1000'. Is this valid or just wishful thinking. Paul ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Anguish..........
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Ethanol vaporises at much lower temperatures and pressures and consequently more likely to vaporise in the fuel lines and cause airlocks.. In the UK, the CAA reccomends you do not use fuels containing ethanol above 6000 ft. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl(at)msn.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... > > > All, > > I don't really understand all the implications, and why ethanol is okay > for > car engines, most of which are also made of aluminum with metal fuel > lines, > and not for certain aircaft engines. I can only go by what the man from > Rotax told me. I understand that other vehicles are also affected, maybe > snowmobiles and similar. According to the maintenance manual, the Rotax > has > internal corrosion proofing, so what's the problem ? > I don't expect a reply from the premier's office but we will have to keep > an > eye on what COPA/AOPA and EAA will be able to accomplish. The only hope is > that the premium gasoline is exempted, as this is used by relatively few > cars. > > Karl > > >>From: "Alexander Kaarsberg" <kaarsber(at)terra.com.br> >>Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com >>To: "europa-list" >>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... >>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:43:00 -0300 >> >> >> >>All, >> >>Car gas/petrol all Brazil through contains between 20 and 25% alcohol, I >>believe it is ethanol. >>I have never gotten to speak directly to any Rotax owners about the issue, >>but I have had second hand reports and there are a number of positions. >>The official Rotax attitude here (and I presume it comes from Kodiak) is >>that automotive fuel is not recommended due to the corrosive effects from >>the high water content the alcohol CAN hold. A number of Rotax owners here >>say it is not so bad in practice and that the consequenses of lead >>build-up >>is in many cases worse when using avgas- and the difference in cost >>between >>the two compensates for a lot anyway. >>Detonation should not be an issue though, as far as I know alcohol has a >>high resistance to knocking...cars that run on pure alcohol here has about >>20% higher compression rate than gas driven ones. >> >>Some people talk of filling drums 3/4 with cargas, topping off with water, >>mixing it all very well for the alcohol and the water to merge and then >>drain the water out, leaving gasoline only..... >> >>Embraer have come up with a cropsprayer that flies on alcohol only with a >>Lycontissaurus engine... >> >>Regards, >> >>Alex, kit 529 >>De:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com >> >>Para:europa-list(at)matronics.com >> >>C=F3pia: >> >> >>Assunto:Re: Europa-List: Anguish.......... >> >> >> > >> > Karl, >> > That's true regarding the Rotax NO-NO, and in our case, that may >> > be our saving. If the intent was to concentrate E10 in the TO. area >>(because >> > of pollution from cars), then to maintain the 5% average, outlying >> > areas >>may >> > not have any (farmer friendly). That would mean avoiding the cities in >> > general. The stuff is bad news on aluminum alloy - and that's why Rotax >> > rebels I think - alu parts. >> > Please let me know what the [inevitable] response is. I suspect it will >> > skirt the issue since politicians and their ilk aren't supposed to lie >>any >> > more. >> > Ferg >> > PS The argument is coming to many other lands too. Brazil uses up to >> > 80% >> > ethanol I was told. Their reply should be interesting. >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "KARL HEINDL" >> > To: >> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Anguish.......... >> > >> > >> > | >> > | >> > | Ferg, >> > | >> > | I am obviously concerned about the same issue. I contacted Rotax >>direct >> > some >> > | time ago, and they say that an ethanol content above 5% is a NONO. It >> > causes >> > | detonation, internal corrosion and possible engine failure. Your >>concern >> > | about fuel lines in comparison is irrelevant. >> > | As recommended by COPA, I have also written to the Ontario premier >> > | explaining the situation, and also including a copy of an EAA article >> > | outlining the same problem in Montana. We are all hoping that the >>ruling >> > is >> > | modified whereby the premium 91 octane (North American) fuel is >>supplied >> > | without ethanol. >> > | If you think this is to do with global warming, think again. It is >> > all >>to >> > do >> > | with supporting the poor impoverished farmers. >> > | If anyone from Brazil is on this forum, can you enlighten us on what >>you >> > use >> > | for Rotax fuel ? >> > | I remember your cities having a strong smell of alcohol 20 years ago >>from >> > | car exhaust fumes. >> > | >> > | Karl >> > | >> > | >> > | >From: "Fergus Kyle" >> > | >Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com >> > | >To: "EUROPALIST" >> > | >Subject: Europa-List: Anguish.......... >> > | >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:28:10 -0500 >> > | > >> > | > >> > | >Cheers, >> > | > I attended the EAA/RAA chapter locally last Friday to hear >> > the >> > | >pricipal speaker, a qualified fuel expert who acts as Quality >> > Control >>for >> > a >> > | >large petroleum firm in Canada. His topic was future fuels. Fuel and >>its >> > | >derivatives when operated in Canada is a provincial affair, since >>trade >> > and >> > | >commerce come under provincial jurisdiction unless exported. >> > | > Our speaker pointed out that theProvinciual Premier had >> > called >> > | >for and is acting on a proposal to increase the ethanol content of >>motor >> > | >car >> > | >fuels to an average of 5% over the next few years to a present-day >> > maximum >> > | >of 10% anywhere. This is somewhat nebulous in intent, since the plan >>is >> > to >> > | >reduce noxious exhausts, especially in the greater Toronto area >>(GTA). >> > The >> > | >fuel has become known as E10. Whether it means 5% everywhere or that >> > | >Toronto >> > | >(being the greatest offender) will have 10 while outlying districts >>will >> > | >carry much less - is still up in the air. There is feeling that this >> > trend >> > | >will increase in popularity across the land. >> > | > Naturally this is of interest to those such as myself who >> > were >> > | >planning on the use of MoGas as is advertised in Rotaz and Europa >> > | >materials. >> > | >Slightly less than half the attendees owned Rotax or similar, using >> > MoGas. >> > | > The bulk of his topic was the destructive qualities tested >> > in >> > | >labs to date. The conclusion is that E10 will wreak havoc on >> > aluminum >> > fuel >> > | >lines and most rubber-type tubing, including many of the epoxy and >>like >> > | >materials. So there I am - fuel lines aluminum alloy where difficult >>to >> > get >> > | >at (in order to avoid the difficulties of changing same at periodic >> > times) >> > | >- >> > | >I had taken great care to avoid vibration threats - AND the Europa >> > standard >> > | >fuel tank of the 1997 vintage (already changed once after leaks >>detected >> > in >> > | >original tank, and fuel filler tube also changed). >> > | > In view of the popularity of the Premier's edict (TO. is >> > | >swiftly >> > | >becoming a choking zone at rush hour) without incurring the rural >>wrath, >> > | >there seems no point in objecting. This of course accounts for the >> > Subject >> > | >title and my preliminary dread. At the moment it looks like I have >>built >> > an >> > | >aircraft with a sword over its head (to say nothing of dwindling >> > | >resources). >> > | > So my purpose in writing is to clang the bell on coming >> > trends >> > | >for those as yet unaware, and to beg some good news that E10 will >> > not >>eat >> > | >through my embedded fuel cell. I find the idea of changing fuel >> > lines >>(we >> > | >were told that stainless is not free of threat) abhorrent enough >>without >> > | >worse news. >> > | > Tell me it ain't so! >> > | >Ferg Monowheel Classic 914 - sanding sanding sanding >> > | > >> > | > >> > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. >> > Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em 09/02/2005 / Vers=E3o: >>4.4.00 - Dat 4427 >> > Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ >> > >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke(at)lineone.net>
Subject: DOTH Tue 15th Shobden
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Hi All, My plane has just emerged from its mid-winter service and is looking for a trip somewhere. How about a DOTH to Shobden tomorrow (Tue 15th)? Voucher in Flyer. Cheers, Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Anguish..........
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Alcohol will improve resistance to detonation, not the other way around as "Rotax" have suggested, and 16:1+ compression ratios are possible on pure alcohol. Can also be quite difficult keeping an alcohol-fuelled engine hot enough! Duncan McF. > > > | > | > | Ferg, > | > | I am obviously concerned about the same issue. I contacted Rotax direct > some > | time ago, and they say that an ethanol content above 5% is a NONO. It > causes > | detonation, internal corrosion and possible engine failure. Your concern > | about fuel lines in comparison is irrelevant. > | As recommended by COPA, I have also written to the Ontario premier > | explaining the situation, and also including a copy of an EAA article > | outlining the same problem in Montana. We are all hoping that the ruling > is > | modified whereby the premium 91 octane (North American) fuel is supplied > | without ethanol. > | If you think this is to do with global warming, think again. It is all to > do > | with supporting the poor impoverished farmers. > | If anyone from Brazil is on this forum, can you enlighten us on what you > use > | for Rotax fuel ? > | I remember your cities having a strong smell of alcohol 20 years ago from > | car exhaust fumes. > | > | Karl > | > | > | >From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca> > | >Reply-To: europa-list(at)matronics.com > | >To: "EUROPALIST" > | >Subject: Europa-List: Anguish.......... > | >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:28:10 -0500 > | > > | > > | >Cheers, > | > I attended the EAA/RAA chapter locally last Friday to hear > the > | >pricipal speaker, a qualified fuel expert who acts as Quality Control for > a > | >large petroleum firm in Canada. His topic was future fuels. Fuel and its > | >derivatives when operated in Canada is a provincial affair, since trade > and > | >commerce come under provincial jurisdiction unless exported. > | > Our speaker pointed out that theProvinciual Premier had > called > | >for and is acting on a proposal to increase the ethanol content of motor > | >car > | >fuels to an average of 5% over the next few years to a present-day > maximum > | >of 10% anywhere. This is somewhat nebulous in intent, since the plan is > to > | >reduce noxious exhausts, especially in the greater Toronto area (GTA). > The > | >fuel has become known as E10. Whether it means 5% everywhere or that > | >Toronto > | >(being the greatest offender) will have 10 while outlying districts will > | >carry much less - is still up in the air. There is feeling that this > trend > | >will increase in popularity across the land. > | > Naturally this is of interest to those such as myself who > were > | >planning on the use of MoGas as is advertised in Rotaz and Europa > | >materials. > | >Slightly less than half the attendees owned Rotax or similar, using > MoGas. > | > The bulk of his topic was the destructive qualities tested > in > | >labs to date. The conclusion is that E10 will wreak havoc on aluminum > fuel > | >lines and most rubber-type tubing, including many of the epoxy and like > | >materials. So there I am - fuel lines aluminum alloy where difficult to > get > | >at (in order to avoid the difficulties of changing same at periodic > times) > | >- > | >I had taken great care to avoid vibration threats - AND the Europa > standard > | >fuel tank of the 1997 vintage (already changed once after leaks detected > in > | >original tank, and fuel filler tube also changed). > | > In view of the popularity of the Premier's edict (TO. is > | >swiftly > | >becoming a choking zone at rush hour) without incurring the rural wrath, > | >there seems no point in objecting. This of course accounts for the > Subject > | >title and my preliminary dread. At the moment it looks like I have built > an > | >aircraft with a sword over its head (to say nothing of dwindling > | >resources). > | > So my purpose in writing is to clang the bell on coming > trends > | >for those as yet unaware, and to beg some good news that E10 will not eat > | >through my embedded fuel cell. I find the idea of changing fuel lines (we > | >were told that stainless is not free of threat) abhorrent enough without > | >worse news. > | > Tell me it ain't so! > | >Ferg Monowheel Classic 914 - sanding sanding sanding > | > > | > > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein(at)oslo.online.no>
Subject: Warning lamps
Date: Feb 14, 2005
"Years ago" I had my panel fitted out and wired at a U.S. avionics shop. Unfortunately, they never provided a completed wiring diagram, and some of the wires are open ended. I seem to be able to figure out most of the loose ends, but here is one question: There are three warning lamps at the center top of the panel: Red, Blue and Green. I assume there is some standard applied to these colours/colors - any suggestion as to what they are supposed to indicate? Regards, Svein A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2005
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Motor mounts?
Hello Ira How is your plane working and flying? You have second alternator functional? Are you using supplied motor mounts with the supplied inserts or have you either changed the insert length, or the rubber mounts to O-200 or both? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2005
From: N55XS <topglock(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Icom A-200 Comm
MJKTuck(at)cs.com wrote: > >Hi Folks, > >Anyone else wired up an Icom A-200? The instructions ask for two pairs of 18 >swg for power and ground. By that I assume they mean one pair of 18 swg wires >for power and one pair of 18 swg wires for ground. > >Power goes to two pins (14 & R) and ground to four pins (6,15,F & S). Do all >these pins have to carry two 18 swg wires? I think I might have trouble >getting two wires into the Molex pin and fit in the plastic Molex connector. > >Any advice would be appreciated. > >Regards, >Martin Tuck >N152MT > > > > Martin, I wired my A200 exactly as per instructions, through an ACS 400 intercom. Works like a charm... :) -- Jeff - A055 Ready for FWF Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Anguish over Ethanol
From: irampil(at)notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Date: Feb 15, 2005
02/15/2005 12:00:20 PM, Serialize complete at 02/15/2005 12:00:20 PM (Repost)From the Chief Technical Officer at Kodiak at Oshkosk2004: There is not part of a rotax 900 series engine harmed by gasohol. Gasohol is to be avoided in lycs and contis because they still use cork gaskets which will dissolve. Aluminum is not effected by alcohol. Water in alcohol may freeze at altitude. Fuel hoses and o-rings in the Europa FirewallForward kit should be checked separately for alcohol effect and replaced if needed with airworthy replacements. Ira N224XS nearly 100hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca>
Subject: Re: Anguish over Ethanol
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Ira! Thank you for that. It puts me more at ease. The lecturer claimed E10 to be destructive of aluminum alloy, unless treated specially (which he says the car-makers have done for years, as some companies have been sneaking ethanol in in small amounts for that time). Am not sure whether the alu lines from Aircraft Spruce are such.......... The idea of changing is an ordeal I don't relish. Any more heartenng info gleefully welcomed. Ferg PS Cool engines, increased aeration with height, detonation resistance and icing qualities were mentioned. ----- Original Message ----- From: <irampil(at)notes.cc.sunysb.edu> Subject: Europa-List: Anguish over Ethanol | | (Repost)From the Chief Technical Officer at Kodiak at Oshkosk2004: | There is not part of a rotax 900 series engine harmed by gasohol. | Gasohol is to be avoided in lycs and contis because they still use cork | gaskets which will dissolve. Aluminum is not effected by alcohol. | Water in alcohol may freeze at altitude. | Fuel hoses and o-rings in the Europa FirewallForward kit should | be checked separately for alcohol effect and replaced if needed with | airworthy replacements. | | | Ira N224XS nearly 100hrs | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 15, 2005
From: Paul Stewart <europa(at)pstewart.f2s.com>
Subject: Re: Gascolator access hatch
Brian I have missed all the discussion about this. There are some picks at: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album58&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php of my fuel installation which includes a hatch under the gascolator in the rear baggage bay. It is secured by the same quick release catch as the oil dipstick hatch. It is PFA approved. Not that far away near Derby if you ever want to have a look. Regards Paul ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 16, 2005
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach
Gidday, I am studying my tailplane setup and wondering if it is normal to have the cables that stabilise the mass balance arm wrapped around the white plastic tubes in such a fashion that the looping creates an overlap on the back edge of the plastic sleeve, held in position under tension only by the small protrudence of the pin base? Now I am unsure which way the pins should be, but I have decided that I want the heads of my pins forwards, as I have little holes adjacent in the rear tail bulkhead that will be accessible from another hole in the sternpost, so that I can use a long rod to tap them out again in the future, plus also drive them home from within the tail. This is probably the normal way anyway, to have the heads facing forwards, but I haven't reviewed the manual on this as I have my own intentions anyway. So, I do however have the problem that if the cable was to flex on one side, it could enable the slack side to slip inboard over the tail of the pin. Whether this would ever happen is probably the question to ask, as it would mean that the other cable under tension would have to stretch to allow the other to go slack. I suppose this then begs another question which is how tight to make these cables. I have turnbuckles, so I can tweak them until they are tight as I like. Is there any advice as to how tight is enough an not too much. I suppose the tighter the less likelihood of further stretching which is what I am trying to negate with a lateral load, which is of itself a questionable load anyway. How am I going to fly my plane in such a fashion that I get a lateral load of sufficient strength that it allows one cable to stretch and the other to go slack and slip over the tail of the pin. My aircraft probably would break elsewhere. I am simply seeing the length of my pins as being apparently inadaquate to also act as a containment ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach
Date: Feb 16, 2005
Hi! Tony. If you coil the cables correctly they shouldn't overlap and they should stay outboard of the pins especially so long as they are crimped tight on the nylon bush. Lots of chaps have used a pair of adjustment bottle screws to ultimately tighten the slack and to be able to adjust the lateral arc of the balance weight arm. Yes the heads of the pins need to be facing forward. Hope you are shortening the inboard ends of the nylon bushes for eventual use of the drive clamps without the need to dismantle it all again! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach Gidday, I am studying my tailplane setup and wondering if it is normal to have the cables that stabilise the mass balance arm wrapped around the white plastic tubes in such a fashion that the looping creates an overlap on the back edge of the plastic sleeve, held in position under tension only by the small protrudence of the pin base? Now I am unsure which way the pins should be, but I have decided that I want the heads of my pins forwards, as I have little holes adjacent in the rear tail bulkhead that will be accessible from another hole in the sternpost, so that I can use a long rod to tap them out again in the future, plus also drive them home from within the tail. This is probably the normal way anyway, to have the heads facing forwards, but I haven't reviewed the manual on this as I have my own intentions anyway. So, I do however have the problem that if the cable was to flex on one side, it could enable the slack side to slip inboard over the tail of the pin. Whether this would ever happen is probably the question to ask, as it would mean that the other cable under tension would have to stretch to allow the other to go slack. I suppose this then begs another question which is how tight to make these cables. I have turnbuckles, so I can tweak them until they are tight as I like. Is there any advice as to how tight is enough an not too much. I suppose the tighter the less likelihood of further stretching which is what I am trying to negate with a lateral load, which is of itself a questionable load anyway. How am I going to fly my plane in such a fashion that I get a lateral load of sufficient strength that it allows one cable to stretch and the other to go slack and slip over the tail of the pin. My aircraft probably would break elsewhere. I am simply seeing the length of my pins as being apparently inadaquate to also act as a containment ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert(at)hccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach
Date: Feb 16, 2005
Hi Tony, I spoke Andy from Europa 2004. He told me that a (mandatory) modification on the mass balance arm will be available soon. Europa is testing a few prototypes (6) at this moment. After approval of the PFA, the mod will become available for all Europa's. In a few weeks we will all know more about the approved modificated mass balance arm. There is a good change that a prototype without cables will be the final solution. If you wait a few weeks, it may safe you a lot time right now. Regards, Tim. Heerhugowaard, PH-JAI 460 XS TG 914UL Airmaster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw(at)optusnet.com.au> Subject: Europa-List: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach > > > Gidday, > I am studying my tailplane setup and wondering if it is normal to have the > cables that stabilise the mass balance arm wrapped around the white > plastic > tubes in such a fashion that the looping creates an overlap on the back > edge of the plastic sleeve, held in position under tension only by the > small protrudence of the pin base? Now I am unsure which way the pins > should be, but I have decided that I want the heads of my pins forwards, > as > I have little holes adjacent in the rear tail bulkhead that will be > accessible from another hole in the sternpost, so that I can use a long > rod > to tap them out again in the future, plus also drive them home from within > the tail. This is probably the normal way anyway, to have the heads facing > forwards, but I haven't reviewed the manual on this as I have my own > intentions anyway. So, I do however have the problem that if the cable was > to flex on one side, it could enable the slack side to slip inboard over > the tail of the pin. Whether this would ever happen is probably the > question to ask, as it would mean that the other cable under tension would > have to stretch to allow the other to go slack. I suppose this then begs > another question which is how tight to make these cables. I have > turnbuckles, so I can tweak them until they are tight as I like. Is there > any advice as to how tight is enough an not too much. I suppose the > tighter > the less likelihood of further stretching which is what I am trying to > negate with a lateral load, which is of itself a questionable load anyway. > How am I going to fly my plane in such a fashion that I get a lateral load > of sufficient strength that it allows one cable to stretch and the other > to > go slack and slip over the tail of the pin. My aircraft probably would > break elsewhere. I am simply seeing the length of my pins as being > apparently inadaquate to also act as a containment > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 16, 2005
From: Graham Singleton <graham(at)gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Anguish over Ethanol
From: irampil(at)notes.cc.sunysb.edu 02/15/2005 12:00:20 PM, Serialize complete at 02/15/2005 12:00:20 PM (Repost)From the Chief Technical Officer at Kodiak at Oshkosh2004: There is not part of a rotax 900 series engine harmed by gasohol. Gasohol is to be avoided in lycs and contis because they still use cork gaskets which will dissolve. Aluminum is not effected by alcohol. Water in alcohol may freeze at altitude. Fuel hoses and o-rings in the Europa FirewallForward kit should be checked separately for alcohol effect and replaced if needed with airworthy replacements. Ira N224XS nearly 100hrs There used to be an additive in gas to prevent water coming out of solution, probably benzene. No doubt some thing else now. Graham ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 16, 2005
From: Graham Singleton <graham(at)gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: (no subject)
Gidday, I am studying my tailplane setup and wondering if it is normal to have the cables that stabilise the mass balance arm wrapped around the white plastic tubes in such a fashion that the looping creates an overlap on the back edge of the plastic sleeve, held in position under tension only by the small protrudence of the pin base? Tony there is a mandatory mod coming any minute (month!?!) now regarding the tail mass balance which will hopefully remove the cables. Andy or Nev? Graham ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mass Balance Arm Cable Attach
Date: Feb 16, 2005
From: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore(at)lr.org>
Tony, I don't know the answer to the question you raised, but it has prompted me to relay to the Forum that I was speaking to Andy Draper last week on tail plane-torque-tube-related matters. Andy suggested holding off installing the tail plane mass balance arm until the factory has finalised testing the Mod being designed to mitigate against the recent problem. He indicated that it would not be long before the Mod is issued. Regards, Dave Moore Monowheel 550 Aberdeen, UK ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Europa cover?
Date: Feb 16, 2005
All Does any one know who made the canvas cover for the Europa that John Hurst was showing to us a couple years ago? I would like to have one and will order direct if I can find the maker. It was some one in Florida, if I remember correctly. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE PS: I lost track of John and his phone number. Is he still interested in Europa? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete(at)lawless.info>
Subject: Loan of Classic mono trailer Bath/Gloucester area?? The
UK ones!
Date: Feb 16, 2005
0.51 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark Evening All Has any one got a mono trailer I could borrow for a half day. I need to move my aeroplane from Wing Farm, Warminster back to Kemble. My own trailer is on loan and not available for a couple of weeks. Regards Pete -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>
Subject: Re: Europa cover?
Date: Feb 16, 2005
Hi all, I have noticed a couple of times folks looking to John's contact details. He has had to endure quite a bit of hardship with the demise of the Europa company. Several suppliers and customers have taken law suits against him personally, trying to recover costs and he is now facing large personal legal bills. Coupled with this John lost a large personal sum of money in the company. I have stayed in contact with John and I think he has pretty well moved on as far as Europa is concerned, if anyone has a particular need to contact him I would be more than happy to pass a message on. Paul > > Cliff Shaw > > PS: I lost track of John and his phone number. Is he still interested in > Europa? > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 16, 2005
Subject: Re: Europa cover?
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>
Cliff, With regard to "canvas", I'd recommend instead the special waterproof-but-breathable, UV resistant fabrics used in automobile covers. With regard to the cutting and fitting, my hunch is that a Europa cover would not be a challenge for a fabric shop set up to fabricate such items; surely there are many folks doing boat and auto covers. Additionally, rather than buy something sight unseen, you'd end up more satisfied if you had a hand in determining the nature and location of the straps or velcro or whatever to hold it all together. Good luck and let me know how it works out, Fred A194 on 2/16/05 9:59 AM, Cliff Shaw at flyinggpa(at)comcast.net wrote: > > All > > Does any one know who made the canvas cover for the Europa that John Hurst > was showing to us a couple years ago? I would like to have one and will > order direct if I can find the maker. It was some one in Florida, if I > remember correctly. > > Cliff Shaw ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EuropaXSA276(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 16, 2005
Subject: Re: Europa cover?
For what it is worth... I had a conversation with John about the cover last year when I was picking up my kit. It was made from a high quality insulated fabric that did not allow the heat to penetrate to the skin of the aircraft. He said that some early covers were causing a warping of the skin due to heat. Have no idea where it came from! Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer(at)quicknet.nl>
Subject: Re: Europa cover?
Date: Feb 16, 2005
For Europe I can help some people obtaining a hood of very good quality, contact me off-line for details. Cheers Sven den Boer A168 PH-SBR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa(at)comcast.net> Subject: Europa-List: Europa cover? > > All > > Does any one know who made the canvas cover for the Europa that John Hurst > was showing to us a couple years ago? I would like to have one and will > order direct if I can find the maker. It was some one in Florida, if I > remember correctly. > > Cliff Shaw > 1041 Euclid ave. > Edmonds, WA 98020 > 425 776 5555 > http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > > PS: I lost track of John and his phone number. Is he still interested in > Europa? > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Berube" <bberube(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Europa cover?
Date: Feb 16, 2005
The source that made the covers for Europa is not longer making them. He has retired and assisting his daughter in a business venture. He is no longer in Lakeland. Bob Berube Flight Crafters -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R. Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa cover? Cliff, With regard to "canvas", I'd recommend instead the special waterproof-but-breathable, UV resistant fabrics used in automobile covers. With regard to the cutting and fitting, my hunch is that a Europa cover would not be a challenge for a fabric shop set up to fabricate such items; surely there are many folks doing boat and auto covers. Additionally, rather than buy something sight unseen, you'd end up more satisfied if you had a hand in determining the nature and location of the straps or velcro or whatever to hold it all together. Good luck and let me know how it works out, Fred A194 on 2/16/05 9:59 AM, Cliff Shaw at flyinggpa(at)comcast.net wrote: > > All > > Does any one know who made the canvas cover for the Europa that John Hurst > was showing to us a couple years ago? I would like to have one and will > order direct if I can find the maker. It was some one in Florida, if I > remember correctly. > > Cliff Shaw ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa cover?
Date: Feb 16, 2005
> For what it is worth... I had a conversation with John about > the cover last year when I was picking up my kit. > It was made from a high quality insulated fabric that did not > allow the heat to penetrate to the skin of the aircraft. He said > that some early covers were causing a warping of the skin > due to heat. > ... > Brian Skelly Have 28 years now learning about canopy covers, on a plane residing downwind of an [acidic] coal-fired power plant. My last two covers (the 1st one lasted 10 years) were from planecover.com, but sorry no homebuilts. I'd also think that temperature is primarily a function of color. Anyway, were you to call Jim Cancil at planecover.com, here's the short course he just loves to give you, and IMO he's right. A bit off-color means eventual dirt matters less aesthetically. Then there's the issue of the softness of the underside so as not to scratch plexiglass windows. And you want it to breathe, so it doesn't trap moisture. Therein can lie chemicals which attacks paint, though much less so only with polyurethane, as I sadly learned on a competitor's cover. And then you want a balance of thickness/flexibility to dry out quicker, but not so thin you can't affix the cover without help in other than light winds. You also want quick-release fasteners on the straps, but also some stretch in the straps. Jim uses auto seat-belt strap, but underneath the A/C is a clever loop of bungee joining the lengths, so you have just the right tension to secure the fasteners w/o excess pulling which can eventually fail the sewn threads. You also want as best fit as possible, as that prevents excess flapping in strong winds which abrades paint. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mau11" <mau11(at)free.fr>
Subject: Europa cover?
Date: Feb 17, 2005
Hello Sven, Do you have good adress for Europa cover? Thanks --|-- --------(*)-------- Michel AUVRAY -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Sven den Boer Envoy : mercredi 16 fvrier 2005 22:31 : europa-list(at)matronics.com Objet : Re: Europa-List: Europa cover? --> For Europe I can help some people obtaining a hood of very good quality, contact me off-line for details. Cheers Sven den Boer A168 PH-SBR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa(at)comcast.net> Subject: Europa-List: Europa cover? > --> > > All > > Does any one know who made the canvas cover for the Europa that John > Hurst was showing to us a couple years ago? I would like to have one > and will order direct if I can find the maker. It was some one in > Florida, if I remember correctly. > > Cliff Shaw > 1041 Euclid ave. > Edmonds, WA 98020 > 425 776 5555 > http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > > PS: I lost track of John and his phone number. Is he still interested > in Europa? > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Tour de France
Date: Feb 17, 2005
I propose to run a trip round France again this year lasting a week or so in June and comparable to last year's Tour de France'. It is designed to appeal to wives and also to those who haven't previously ventured across the channel - that's to say in general stage lengths will not exceed 2 or 3 hours in order to give ample time for folk to do their own thing for a reasonable part of the day. There will also be as much (or as little) support as anyone might like in getting up to speed with flight plans, customs, foreign airspace, etc. Last year's trip include on channel virgin and one 'near virgin', both of whom turned into seasoned campaigners on the trip.The stop overs will be chosen to offer the prospect of good food and wine and local touristic interest. Last year we stayed at Reims, Chalon, Grenoble, (Carcassonne - planned but missed out because of weather), Chauvigny and Belle Isle, as well as visiting a few other places as lunch stops. The itinerary will be mostly new this year. I managed to book accommodation as we went along last year, and also offered the option of camping, altho no one took it up. I have not yet set a date but suspect it will need to be 4-12 June to avoid the Colditz trip.I am pretty flexible about it and would welcome suggestions from any potential participants, possibly bringing it forward a week As last year there may be scope for solo pilots to offer their spare seat to a paying copilot Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer(at)quicknet.nl>
Subject: Re: Europa cover?
Date: Feb 17, 2005
Michel, I do. I have a guy who makes sprayhoods for seagoing sailships. The material he uses is white, strong, water and wind tight and very resistant to sunlight. He made a protype for my aircraft, I will make some pictures saturday and send them to you. Price is 550,- euro's excluding shipping. Sven ----- Original Message ----- From: "mau11" <mau11(at)free.fr> Subject: RE : Europa-List: Europa cover? > > Hello Sven, > Do you have good adress for Europa cover? > Thanks > > --|-- > --------(*)-------- > > Michel AUVRAY > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Sven den > Boer > Envoy : mercredi 16 fvrier 2005 22:31 > : europa-list(at)matronics.com > Objet : Re: Europa-List: Europa cover? > > > --> > > For Europe I can help some people obtaining a hood of very good quality, > contact me off-line for details. > > Cheers > > Sven den Boer > > A168 > PH-SBR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa(at)comcast.net> > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Europa cover? > > > > --> > > > > All > > > > Does any one know who made the canvas cover for the Europa that John > > Hurst was showing to us a couple years ago? I would like to have one > > and will order direct if I can find the maker. It was some one in > > Florida, if I remember correctly. > > > > Cliff Shaw > > 1041 Euclid ave. > > Edmonds, WA 98020 > > 425 776 5555 > > http://www.europaowners.org/WileE > > > > PS: I lost track of John and his phone number. Is he still interested > > in Europa? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Davidghillam(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 17, 2005
Subject: Re: Loan of Classic mono trailer Bath/Gloucester area??
The UK ... Hi Pete, You can borrow mine if you wish. I'm only 5 miles SW of Tetbury and 12 from Kemble. The only provisos are that it is at present stored at the back of my garage (unused for 2 years) but it shouldn't be too much trouble to get it out. Also, I hope to sell it with the plane in the next week or two. The advert should appear in the next issue of Popular Flying, due out any day now. I will be expecting potential purchasers to be forming an orderly queue to view both plane and trailer very soon! Feel free to e-mail or telephone, if you are still looking. David G-SHSH Tel: 01666 890 390 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" Evening All Has any one got a mono trailer I could borrow for a half day. I need to move my aeroplane from Wing Farm, Warminster back to Kemble. My own trailer is on loan and not available for a couple of weeks. Regards Pete ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vaughn Teegarden" <N914VA(at)starband.net>
Subject: Europa web site
Date: Feb 17, 2005
clamav-milter version 0.80j on heru-ur I was pleasantly surprised tonight when I clicked on the Europa web site and found it to be 95% up and running. Their URL is http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/ . It's nice to have them back! Vaughn Working at it ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Oil in the intake
Date: Feb 18, 2005
2.00 DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48 Date: is 24 to 48 hours after Received: date My 914 has been installed for some time now (over a year) on the aircraft in the garage. It has not been started yet however. Last weekend I removed the sparkplugs and rotated the prop through to bring up the oil pressure and get oil pumping through the engine. Received good pressure and continued for about 2 minutes by hand. Went out to the garage today and found a puddle of oil under the aircraft. Removed the lower cowl and found the air filter saturated and dripping with oil. Removed filter and observed turbo intake impeller area with mucho oil. My initial assumption on this is that by turning the engine by hand I am pressurizing the turbo sump. But since there are no exhaust gasses driving the wheel there is no scavenging occurring and the oil is just filling up the turbo housing. I am assuming that at the temperature the turbo runs at is that it does not have conventional oil seals that could have been damaged. Do I need to investigate the matter further or are my assumptions correct? Input from the turboheads much appreciated. Thanks Steve Hagar A143 N40SH Mesa, AZ Steve Hagar hagargs(at)earthlink.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff(at)rmmm.net>
Subject: Re: Europa web site
Date: Feb 17, 2005
Very Very good news indeed! Congratulations Europa! Jeff A258 Do no archive On Feb 17, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Vaughn Teegarden wrote: > > > I was pleasantly surprised tonight when I clicked on the Europa web > site and found it to be 95% up and running. Their URL is > http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/ . It's nice to have them back! > > Vaughn > Working at it > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Thursby" <jthursby(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Oil in the intake
Date: Feb 17, 2005
Hi Steve, A new demonstrator did this before. It used to be a common problem on first starts on a 914. Ther is a small check valve in the oil feed line to the turbo. There is a small steel ball and spring in it. The ball sticks sometimes whene they are new. Take it apart making sure there isn't any debris in the valve and cycle it thru a few times by hand. What I mean is push the ball down and let the spring return it a few times. Very small parts so be careful. Whene you first run the plane make sure you start it a few times the first day, that cycles the valve a few more times. Jim Thursby -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar Subject: Europa-List: Oil in the intake My 914 has been installed for some time now (over a year) on the aircraft in the garage. It has not been started yet however. Last weekend I removed the sparkplugs and rotated the prop through to bring up the oil pressure and get oil pumping through the engine. Received good pressure and continued for about 2 minutes by hand. Went out to the garage today and found a puddle of oil under the aircraft. Removed the lower cowl and found the air filter saturated and dripping with oil. Removed filter and observed turbo intake impeller area with mucho oil. My initial assumption on this is that by turning the engine by hand I am pressurizing the turbo sump. But since there are no exhaust gasses driving the wheel there is no scavenging occurring and the oil is just filling up the turbo housing. I am assuming that at the temperature the turbo runs at is that it does not have conventional oil seals that could have been damaged. Do I need to investigate the matter further or are my assumptions correct? Input from the turboheads much appreciated. Thanks Steve Hagar A143 N40SH Mesa, AZ Steve Hagar hagargs(at)earthlink.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa web site
Date: Feb 17, 2005
All I looked at he link and found an all-new web page. Under NEWS I found this entry: January 2005 The first major parts shipment from the new company, a 40ft shipping container, left the factory just before Christmas 2004 slightly later than we had originally planned but arrived safely at a distribution centre in the United States in mid January 2005. The demand for components from the States has been very strong and in order to meet builder's needs, we are planning to send a further container load of parts to the US in mid March 2005. It would be appreciated if orders for delivery in the USA are received in good time to help us ensure that they are included in the forthcoming shipment (Just passing this little bit of information along. Some people may not look into the web page that far. ) Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vaughn Teegarden" <N914VA(at)starband.net> Subject: Europa-List: Europa web site > > > I was pleasantly surprised tonight when I clicked on the Europa web site > and found it to be 95% up and running. Their URL is > http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/ . It's nice to have them back! > > Vaughn > Working at it > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EuropaXSA276(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 18, 2005
Subject: Ideas for a Powder Coating Oven
Gents. I recently purchased a powder coating gun and have been experimenting with good results. In addition I have an old used electrical kitchen oven with 4 burner top that I have been using for the cure process. Unfortunately many of the items I would like to coat will not fit into the standard size oven. I seek ideas to make a lager oven. Perhaps using the stove top heating elements? Your ideas, experiences, and photos would be greatly appreciated! Tailwinds Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Ideas for a Powder Coating Oven
Date: Feb 18, 2005
Hi! To cure the whole aircraft to make it for a special one off job would be expensive BUT I used my closed trailer which is lined with spray on Agricultural Store Building Foam Insulator. However you need to be very careful of temperature control, rate of heat sink and rate of cooling since differential speedy cooling could wreck your dream! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa Kit 337MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of EuropaXSA276(at)aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Ideas for a Powder Coating Oven Gents. I recently purchased a powder coating gun and have been experimenting with good results. In addition I have an old used electrical kitchen oven with 4 burner top that I have been using for the cure process. Unfortunately many of the items I would like to coat will not fit into the standard size oven. I seek ideas to make a lager oven. Perhaps using the stove top heating elements? Your ideas, experiences, and photos would be greatly appreciated! Tailwinds Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Ideas for a Powder Coating Oven
From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum(at)comcast.net>
Date: Feb 18, 2005
Hi Brian, I've done some powder coating, http://www.europaowners.org/PowderCoat And I did make a stove top unit. As you can see in the pictures. The pipe had internal baffles to prevent hot spots. I also had three oven probes in the top to insure even heating. After I was all done someone emailed me about changing the metal structure, and suggested it now had the characteristics of a licorice twizzler. The Temp I used was 350F for 17 minutes. Worried, I went over to the engineering dept. at work and asked the metallurgist to run the numbers for me during his lunch. The bad news was that 350 was the magic number to change the internal structure, the good news was the 17 minutes was no where near the required soak time. Steal parts I'd say go for it, large aluminum tubes, why risk it, where your temp control is not precise. Small aluminum parts, short cure times at low in the band temp. They should be fine. With proper prep the coatings you will be putting on are a hundred times better then the powder coating in the kit. Where as I can remove the powder co at from my engine mount with the slightest tap. The coating I put on the tail spring fell from and overhead shelf onto a concrete floor and doesn't have a mark on it's two tone Sky blue to white fade. Some tips: Clean the part to white metal finish. I've sanded and fine sand blasted parts. Wipe the parts with acetone then don't touch them with bare hands. Preheat the parts in the oven then coat them hot and return to the oven. I do love the way the parts look when completed. Your best powders and coatings are available here: http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=92&itemType=CONTENT Chat later, Steved ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2005
From: Rowland Carson <rowil(at)clara.net>
Subject: Europa Club newsletter distribution
As announced some time ago on this list, the Europa Club newsletter for December 2004 with the Factory News insert, was sent to all the Europa builders and owners for whom addresses were held. Alas, it appears that despite the best joint efforts of the Club and Europa 2004 some addresses are out of date. I have had newsletters that were addressed to the following people returned to me as undeliverable: Jens Aabo, Denmark, 158, OY-EUR Uwe Albertin, Texas, USA, A050 Edwin Allseitz, Texas, USA, A110 Phil Bensted, Queensland, Australia, 366, VH-XSS Daniel Boyd, Georgia, USA, A045, N216JE Dave Butler, Massachusetts, USA, A167 Marvin Farley, Iowa, USA, A051, N100MF Daniel Foxx, Michigan, USA, A032 Paul Franzini, Hertfordshire, 470 Thomas Friedland, Washington, USA, A079, N96V Mitchell Garner, Pennsylvania, USA, A181 Richard Hamilton, Hertfordshire, 350 Lynn Hirschfeld, Florida, USA, A132 Nigel Hutchinson-Brooks, Victoria, Australia, 423 Michel Jambon, France, 289 Jeffrey Jukes, West Yorkshire, 293 Richard Kingsley, South Carolina, USA, A233 Hans-Heinrich Langlotz, Germany, 227, OE-CHL Brian Long, Georgia, USA, A124 Larry Morgan, Oregon, USA, A165 Wayne Oehler, California, USA, A122 Brian Petree, Tennessee, USA, A219 Ira Rampil, New York, USA, A224, N224XS Brian Rauchfuss, California, USA, A072 Gerald Rehn, Washington, USA, A161, N645XS Andrew Sarangan, Ohio, USA, A178 Rick Sivier, Hertfordshire, 462 Tom Troester, Indiana, USA, A174 Andrew Walker, North Yorkshire, 390 Colin Way, Dorset, 348 Paul Westman, New South Wales, Australia, 451 Alan Wright, West Midlands, 325 If your name appears above, please contact me with your current postal address so that I can send your copy to you. Likewise, if you are a new owner of any of the kit numbers listed. Or if you know that any of the people above are not online, please let me know how I can contact them. Or if you are a Europa builder or owner and didn't receive your copy of The Europa Flyer issue #43, please get in touch. Now here's the hard part - don't just reply to this message! The rest of the world does not need to know your mailing address, so just send it to me. Copy the following line: then create a new outgoing message, and paste my address that you just copied into the "to" box. Then go ahead and write the rest of the message as usual. I will send your Europa Flyer, and also make sure that the factory gets your new address for any future communication (airworthiness alerts, etc). regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (740 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: tail spring
From: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi>
Date: Feb 19, 2005
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty Sometimes it does not quite hit the mark: The Manual says"Mark a horizontal line onto the rear face of the sternpost 25 mm up from the outside skin" Now what is "outside skin" here, is it the outside skin of the fuselage or the underside of the rear sternpost? If i assume the fuselage skin as datum, then the hole looks to be positioned very close to the bottom edge, so i am really confused here. Anybody? Regards, ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: beecho(at)beecho.org
Date: Feb 19, 2005
Subject: Re: Europa Club newsletter distribution
Hi Rowland My address is: Thomas Friedland 7950 Bella Vista Road Atascadero, CA, USA 93422 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil(at)clara.net> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club newsletter distribution Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:56:45 +0000 > > > As announced some time ago on this list, the Europa Club newsletter > for December 2004 with the Factory News insert, was sent to all the > Europa builders and owners for whom addresses were held. Alas, it > appears that despite the best joint efforts of the Club and Europa > 2004 some addresses are out of date. I have had newsletters that were > addressed to the following people returned to me as undeliverable: > > Jens Aabo, Denmark, 158, OY-EUR > Uwe Albertin, Texas, USA, A050 > Edwin Allseitz, Texas, USA, A110 > Phil Bensted, Queensland, Australia, 366, VH-XSS > Daniel Boyd, Georgia, USA, A045, N216JE > Dave Butler, Massachusetts, USA, A167 > Marvin Farley, Iowa, USA, A051, N100MF > Daniel Foxx, Michigan, USA, A032 > Paul Franzini, Hertfordshire, 470 > Thomas Friedland, Washington, USA, A079, N96V > Mitchell Garner, Pennsylvania, USA, A181 > Richard Hamilton, Hertfordshire, 350 > Lynn Hirschfeld, Florida, USA, A132 > Nigel Hutchinson-Brooks, Victoria, Australia, 423 > Michel Jambon, France, 289 > Jeffrey Jukes, West Yorkshire, 293 > Richard Kingsley, South Carolina, USA, A233 > Hans-Heinrich Langlotz, Germany, 227, OE-CHL > Brian Long, Georgia, USA, A124 > Larry Morgan, Oregon, USA, A165 > Wayne Oehler, California, USA, A122 > Brian Petree, Tennessee, USA, A219 > Ira Rampil, New York, USA, A224, N224XS > Brian Rauchfuss, California, USA, A072 > Gerald Rehn, Washington, USA, A161, N645XS > Andrew Sarangan, Ohio, USA, A178 > Rick Sivier, Hertfordshire, 462 > Tom Troester, Indiana, USA, A174 > Andrew Walker, North Yorkshire, 390 > Colin Way, Dorset, 348 > Paul Westman, New South Wales, Australia, 451 > Alan Wright, West Midlands, 325 > > If your name appears above, please contact me with your current > postal address so that I can send your copy to you. Likewise, if you > are a new owner of any of the kit numbers listed. Or if you know that > any of the people above are not online, please let me know how I can > contact them. Or if you are a Europa builder or owner and didn't > receive your copy of The Europa Flyer issue #43, please get in touch. > > Now here's the hard part - don't just reply to this message! The rest > of the world does not need to know your mailing address, so just send > it to me. Copy the following line: > > > > then create a new outgoing message, and paste my address that you > just copied into the "to" box. Then go ahead and write the rest of > the message as usual. > > I will send your Europa Flyer, and also make sure that the factory > gets your new address for any future communication (airworthiness > alerts, etc). > > regards > > Rowland > -- > | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! > | Europa 435 G-ROWI (740 hours building) PFA #16532 > | e-mail website > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: tail spring
From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum(at)comcast.net>
Date: Feb 19, 2005
Jos, The strings in the photo are center fuselage. The laser is set up 235 mm - end of tail wheel spring to whole in the threaded part. With the fuselage level and the laser level, set the drop distance from the fuselage and put the beam though the hole. Chat Later, Steved ---------------- This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link: http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=5034#5034 ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: tail spring
From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum(at)comcast.net>
Date: Feb 19, 2005
oops, answered the wrong question! I measured a few times then put the whole where it would not change the 235 mm setting addressed in my incorrect post. Steved. ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2005
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: tail spring
Josok?? Have a look at Steve Dunsmuir's website and go to my link. Here it is but in case it doesn't work you now know where to look. I have quite a few photos of that setup. The dims don't accurately reflect the setup, in my opinion. http://www.europaowners.org/TonyR Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia At 01:00 AM 2/20/2005, you wrote: > >Sometimes it does not quite hit the mark: The Manual says"Mark a >horizontal line onto the rear face of the sternpost 25 mm up from the >outside skin" Now what is "outside skin" here, is it the outside skin of >the fuselage or the underside of the rear sternpost? If i assume the >fuselage skin as datum, then the hole looks to be positioned very close to >the bottom edge, so i am really confused here. Anybody? > >Regards, >---------------- >Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3(at)msn.com>
Subject: Europa Club newsletter distribution
Date: Feb 20, 2005
Guys and Gals - please read the instructions! :-) > Now here's the hard part - don't just reply to this message! The rest > of the world does not need to know your mailing address, so just send > it to me. Copy the following line: > > > > then create a new outgoing message, and paste my address that you just > copied into the "to" box. Then go ahead and write the rest of the > message as usual. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of beecho(at)beecho.org Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Club newsletter distribution Hi Rowland My address is: Thomas Friedland 7950 Bella Vista Road Atascadero, CA, USA 93422 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil(at)clara.net> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club newsletter distribution Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:56:45 +0000 > > > As announced some time ago on this list, the Europa Club newsletter > for December 2004 with the Factory News insert, was sent to all the > Europa builders and owners for whom addresses were held. Alas, it > appears that despite the best joint efforts of the Club and Europa > 2004 some addresses are out of date. I have had newsletters that were > addressed to the following people returned to me as undeliverable: > > Jens Aabo, Denmark, 158, OY-EUR > Uwe Albertin, Texas, USA, A050 > Edwin Allseitz, Texas, USA, A110 > Phil Bensted, Queensland, Australia, 366, VH-XSS > Daniel Boyd, Georgia, USA, A045, N216JE > Dave Butler, Massachusetts, USA, A167 > Marvin Farley, Iowa, USA, A051, N100MF > Daniel Foxx, Michigan, USA, A032 > Paul Franzini, Hertfordshire, 470 > Thomas Friedland, Washington, USA, A079, N96V > Mitchell Garner, Pennsylvania, USA, A181 > Richard Hamilton, Hertfordshire, 350 > Lynn Hirschfeld, Florida, USA, A132 > Nigel Hutchinson-Brooks, Victoria, Australia, 423 > Michel Jambon, France, 289 > Jeffrey Jukes, West Yorkshire, 293 > Richard Kingsley, South Carolina, USA, A233 > Hans-Heinrich Langlotz, Germany, 227, OE-CHL > Brian Long, Georgia, USA, A124 > Larry Morgan, Oregon, USA, A165 > Wayne Oehler, California, USA, A122 > Brian Petree, Tennessee, USA, A219 > Ira Rampil, New York, USA, A224, N224XS > Brian Rauchfuss, California, USA, A072 > Gerald Rehn, Washington, USA, A161, N645XS > Andrew Sarangan, Ohio, USA, A178 > Rick Sivier, Hertfordshire, 462 > Tom Troester, Indiana, USA, A174 > Andrew Walker, North Yorkshire, 390 > Colin Way, Dorset, 348 > Paul Westman, New South Wales, Australia, 451 > Alan Wright, West Midlands, 325 > > If your name appears above, please contact me with your current > postal address so that I can send your copy to you. Likewise, if you > are a new owner of any of the kit numbers listed. Or if you know that > any of the people above are not online, please let me know how I can > contact them. Or if you are a Europa builder or owner and didn't > receive your copy of The Europa Flyer issue #43, please get in touch. > > Now here's the hard part - don't just reply to this message! The rest > of the world does not need to know your mailing address, so just send > it to me. Copy the following line: > > > > then create a new outgoing message, and paste my address that you > just copied into the "to" box. Then go ahead and write the rest of > the message as usual. > > I will send your Europa Flyer, and also make sure that the factory > gets your new address for any future communication (airworthiness > alerts, etc). > > regards > > Rowland > -- > | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! > | Europa 435 G-ROWI (740 hours building) PFA #16532 > | e-mail website > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Ideas for a Powder Coating Oven
Date: Feb 19, 2005
Brian Look at my site http://www.ambientdesigns.com/EuropaXS/ for March 2004 Powder coat Oven. I mad it out of Galv flashing and aluminum angle pop riveted together. Insulated with the board they use to make heating ducts out of. And a $20 hot plate. Cranks up to 400 deg at medium setting on the burners. Dean A284 N284A -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of EuropaXSA276(at)aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Ideas for a Powder Coating Oven Gents. I recently purchased a powder coating gun and have been experimenting with good results. In addition I have an old used electrical kitchen oven with 4 burner top that I have been using for the cure process. Unfortunately many of the items I would like to coat will not fit into the standard size oven. I seek ideas to make a lager oven. Perhaps using the stove top heating elements? Your ideas, experiences, and photos would be greatly appreciated! Tailwinds Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca>
Subject: Re: tail spring
Date: Feb 19, 2005
----- Original Message ----- From: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi> Subject: Europa-List: tail spring | | Sometimes it does not quite hit the mark: The Manual says"Mark a horizontal line onto the rear face of the sternpost 25 mm up from the outside skin" Now what is "outside skin" here, is it the outside skin of the fuselage or the underside of the rear sternpost? If i assume the fuselage skin as datum, then the hole looks to be positioned very close to the bottom edge, so i am really confused here. Anybody? | | Regards, | ---------------- Josok, I must be very simple. I followed the word to the letter! I drilled a 1mm hole up from the outside bottom of the fuselage, and stuck a piece of wire up through it which was 25mm long, then carefully marked the horizontal line on the back of the sternpost. It worked a charm, although I had to file a small segment of a circle out of the bottom corner of the fuselage to accomodate the tailspring when bolted in. The aircraft sits at the requisite angle though............... Cheers, Ferg A064 sanding sanding sanding ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 20, 2005
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: tail spring
Josok? About this tailspring.............if all is absolutely ideal dimensionally, yes, take the measurement and make your hole. Otherwise, setup you tailwheel on the spring, on a board set at the correct height beneath the tail, and then transpose the angle of the horizontal, tail contained, portion of the spring laterally "through" the fuse side and onto the sternpost centreline. Then drill away. I reckon the inaccuracies of homebuilding suggest you tailor the dim as required to achieve the actual goal, which is not a hole 1" up, but a tailwheel that has the tailplane at the correct angle when the fuse is static on the ground. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia P.S. Have a look at those photos. At 10:17 AM 2/20/2005, you wrote: > >Josok?? >Have a look at Steve Dunsmuir's website and go to my link. Here it is but >in case it doesn't work you now know where to look. I have quite a few >photos of that setup. The dims don't accurately reflect the setup, in my >opinion. >http://www.europaowners.org/TonyR >Reg >Tony Renshaw >Sydney Australia >At 01:00 AM 2/20/2005, you wrote: > > > >Sometimes it does not quite hit the mark: The Manual says"Mark a > >horizontal line onto the rear face of the sternpost 25 mm up from the > >outside skin" Now what is "outside skin" here, is it the outside skin of > >the fuselage or the underside of the rear sternpost? If i assume the > >fuselage skin as datum, then the hole looks to be positioned very close to > >the bottom edge, so i am really confused here. Anybody? > > > >Regards, > >---------------- > >Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: tail spring
Date: Feb 20, 2005
< goal, >> The goal (good antipodean word that!!) should also be to ensure that the swivel-axis of the tailwheel mount is inclined slightly forwards. i.e. the lower end of the swivel axis trails the upper end of the swivel axis. This then provides some self-centring and stability of the tailwheel. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw(at)optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: Europa-List: tail spring > > Josok? > About this tailspring.............if all is absolutely ideal dimensionally, > yes, take the measurement and make your hole. Otherwise, setup you > tailwheel on the spring, on a board set at the correct height beneath the > tail, and then transpose the angle of the horizontal, tail contained, > portion of the spring laterally "through" the fuse side and onto the > sternpost centreline. Then drill away. I reckon the inaccuracies of > homebuilding suggest you tailor the dim as required to achieve the actual > goal, which is not a hole 1" up, but a tailwheel that has the tailplane at > the correct angle when the fuse is static on the ground. > Reg > Tony Renshaw > Sydney Australia > P.S. Have a look at those photos. > > > At 10:17 AM 2/20/2005, you wrote: > > > >Josok?? > >Have a look at Steve Dunsmuir's website and go to my link. Here it is but > >in case it doesn't work you now know where to look. I have quite a few > >photos of that setup. The dims don't accurately reflect the setup, in my > >opinion. > >http://www.europaowners.org/TonyR > >Reg > >Tony Renshaw > >Sydney Australia > >At 01:00 AM 2/20/2005, you wrote: > > > > > >Sometimes it does not quite hit the mark: The Manual says"Mark a > > >horizontal line onto the rear face of the sternpost 25 mm up from the > > >outside skin" Now what is "outside skin" here, is it the outside skin of > > >the fuselage or the underside of the rear sternpost? If i assume the > > >fuselage skin as datum, then the hole looks to be positioned very close to > > >the bottom edge, so i am really confused here. Anybody? > > > > > >Regards, > > >---------------- > > >Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca>
Subject: Re: tail spring
Date: Feb 20, 2005
----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: Europa-List: tail spring | | <> | | The goal (good antipodean word that!!) should also be to ensure that the | swivel-axis of the tailwheel mount is inclined slightly forwards. i.e. the | lower end of the swivel axis trails the upper end of the swivel axis. This | then provides some self-centring and stability of the tailwheel. | | Duncan McF. Duncan et al, Kind of interesting, that. The Mark 4 Harvard (plus the T -6G model) had the tailwheel swivel slanted somewhat forward at the bottom! I asked why as we transitted to the machine, and the Big Boss said it made it easier to land because the tailwheel became self-steering and fought the tendency to groundloop early into the touchdown and stoogents had less trouble with it. It was restricted in this travel each side. I concur it worked, but the apparent relaxation from primal fear was the undoing of some. One can see both sides of the topic............ Cheers, ferg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 20, 2005
Subject: TailWheel Mod
Good day all, I just came in from my shop to ask about the length of the pushrod from the bellcrank to the rudder. In my instructions of Grahams tailwheel mod, the pushrod is stated to be in the neighborhood of 21 1/2 inches in length. With my rudder temporarily mounted and the pushrod temporarily connected to the bellcrank, both rod ends in the center of their adjustment, rudder pedals at the middle of their range, I am measuring only about 19 inches in total length bolt center to bolt center on the rod. This seems to me to be too short. Before I trim the rod or tear everything apart and start over, I was wondering what others came up with in real life? Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before that. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TailWheel Mod
Date: Feb 21, 2005
From: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi>
Hi Mike, You are not the first one to find that the 21 idicated is too long, there have been messages before. So i would not start over again, but shorten to whatever you need. Please measure the rod and publish it here, because i will have the same job in a few weeks time. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DvdPar(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 21, 2005
Subject: Re: TailWheel Mod
My rod is cut to 35cm (without the fitting attached) Dave Park Bld371 XS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EuropaForum <Post2Forum(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: TailWheel Mod
Date: Feb 21, 2005
Rev 2 of Grahams instructions are at: www.EuropaOwners.org under Downloads. Some parts have new designs but the geometry should be the same. http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php?func=select_folder&folder_id=16 Steved. Waiting for the tail plane mod to bond the top on. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 21, 2005
Subject: Re: TailWheel Mod
Jos and all others that replied, Thanks for the input. That puts my mind at ease. I'll cut to proper fit and post what my measurements turn out to be. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before that. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Relayed: can anyone give me some pointers
From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum(at)comcast.net>
Date: Feb 21, 2005
>> I'm relaying this from the EuropaOwners Site, either Mike is not signed on Matronics or his post just beat his activation. Anyway if you reply he can see it on the forum. Steved. << From: COMPOSITEPRO Hi all I'm interested in building a kit plane like many i have had to wait until later life/experience has shown that i might be able to build a kit aircraft and actually fly i did want to work or fly aircraft as a youth however my first starting point is cost implications and which kit plan to start with if you could assume these facts as my sign in suggests I'm not new to composites i have a background in f1 and military aerospace parts manufacture I'm not new to the Europa either ashamedly i might suggest the thing that has re inspired me into my childhood dream has been the programme 'a plane is born' and finally I did my work experience at the Europa factory when Ivan Shaw first started the project on the prototype and was the kind of lurking in the background watching what was going on whilst the team Dave terry Ivan and Andy put the thing together right from the molds to test flights as implied above i also asked about plans as i recall Ivan had a rutan designed plane which I'm assuming is also a similar jump into building could i also ask about the non technical aspects (construction) of how where to start flying regulations etc i have looked at the pfa already but can it really be that simple my apologies if this is directed more at the UK guys but i am located in the UK thanks Mike ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Relayed: can anyone give me some pointers
Date: Feb 21, 2005
Nice to see Dave and Terry getting some credit at last for the prototype Europa! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum(at)comcast.net> Subject: Europa-List: Relayed: can anyone give me some pointers > > >> I'm relaying this from the EuropaOwners Site, either Mike is not signed on Matronics or his post just beat his activation. Anyway if you reply he can see it on the forum. Steved. << > > From: COMPOSITEPRO > > Hi all I'm interested in building a kit plane > like many i have had to wait until later life/experience has shown that i might be able to build a kit aircraft and actually fly i did want to work or fly aircraft as a youth however my first starting point is cost implications and which kit plan to start with if you could assume these facts as my sign in suggests I'm not new to composites i have a background in f1 and military aerospace parts manufacture > > I'm not new to the Europa either ashamedly i might suggest the thing that has re inspired me into my childhood dream has been the programme 'a plane is born' and finally > > I did my work experience at the Europa factory when Ivan Shaw first started the project on the prototype and was the kind of lurking in the background watching what was going on whilst the team Dave terry Ivan and Andy put the thing together right from the molds to test flights > > as implied above i also asked about plans as i recall Ivan had a rutan designed plane which I'm assuming is also a similar jump into building > > could i also ask about the non technical aspects (construction) of how where to start flying regulations etc i have looked at the pfa already but > can it really be that simple > > my apologies if this is directed more at the UK guys but i am located in the UK > > thanks > > Mike > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Butcher" <europa(at)triton.net>
Subject: Re: TailWheel Mod
Date: Feb 21, 2005
Mike, Ours is about 18" from center of rod end to center of rod end. It all depends on where the CS29 bracket ended up. BTW, there's been alot of comments on this forum about the tailwheel in general. Tony K has a mod for the steering cable attach points, says it makes it easier to control on pavement and Terry Seaver comments to limit the amount of angle the tail wheel can go through to give easier control on pavement. We're still debating whether to do either or both. Jim & Heather Butcher A185, N241BW Just hung engine for final time! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vaughn Teegarden" <N914VA(at)starband.net>
Subject: Grand Rapids EFIS
Date: Feb 21, 2005
clamav-milter version 0.80j on apophis.email.starband.net Has anyone in the Europa fold installed and flown a Grand Rapids EFIS Horizon 1 in their panel? If so, would they be willing to answer a question? Vaughn Teegarden Trying to get it all done before closing the wings putting on the top. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>
Subject: Re: TailWheel Mod
Date: Feb 21, 2005
Hi all, I took a look at the modification for altering the ratio between the rudder deflection and the tailwheel movement for the Singleton tail wheel kit. I discussed this with Graham and on his advice I left is as is with the view to altering it latter if required. After a few flights I was getting on with it just fine with it so I left it. I know that others did not like it and changed it, but I would recommend that you start off on grass, migrate to pavement and if you still find it too much of a handful then back off the geometry. Just my 2 cents worth - Paul ----- Original Message ----- > Tony K has a mod for > the steering cable attach points, says it makes it easier to control on > pavement and Terry Seaver comments to limit the amount of angle the tail > wheel can go through to give easier control on pavement. We're still > debating whether to do either or both. > > Jim & Heather Butcher A185, N241BW ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Fw: NORTH WEALD AIRFIELD - FLY TO NW AND SUPPORT US
Date: Feb 22, 2005
This seems like a thoroughly worthy cause for UK (or even continental) Europists to support and in view of free landing also a good venue for a DOTH. For those who haven't been there it is a great destination with fascinating left overs from its WW2 fighter past, and the airspace to get there , especially from the W is quite entertaining! Happy landings, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hopkins" <jdn.hopkins(at)virgin.net> ; "Stuart Gane" ; "Steve Smith" ; "Steve Jones" <steve@smj-acoustics.demon.co.uk>; "Simon Tolley" ; "Simon Eddison" ; "Russell Thornton" ; "Roy Layzell" ; "Rowland Carson" ; "Roland Robinson" ; "Roger Targett" ; "Roger Lloyd" ; "Rod Ashforth" ; "Robin Morton" ; "Richard Thwaites" ; "Richard Osler" <richard@river-leys.fsnet.co.uk>; "Richard King" ; "Richard Goodwin" ; "Richard Day" ; "Ray & Carol Lewis" ; "Phil McNamara" ; "Phil Hall" ; "Paul Wheat" ; "Paul Sweeting" ; "Paul Keogh" ; "Nouj" ; "Norman Haines" ; "Nicholas Dickinson" ; "mikelloyd9" ; "Mike Leach" ; "Mike Burden" ; "Michael Fortescue" ; "Martin Soltau" ; "Manuel Queiroz" ; "Ken Eastty" ; "Keith Day" ; "John Hamer" ; "John Bean" ; "Jeremy Davey" ; "Jeff van den Broek" ; "Jeff Bartlett" ; "Jared Oakley" ; "Ian Parr" ; "Ian McGugan" ; "Ian MacFadyen" ; "Ian Lang" ; "Hamish Mead" ; "Graham Vaughan & Son" ; "Graham Banfield" ; "Gerry Nash" ; "Geoff Church" ; "Garry Layzell" ; "Frank Hawkes" ; "FRANCIS BROWNSILL" ; "Ed Hicks" ; "Derek & Sally Long" ; "DavidJohnstone" ; "David Russell" ; "David Joyce" ; "Dave Roberts" ; "Dave Organ" ; "Dave Haines" ; "Daryle Parsons" ; "Dari Sagar" ; "Colin Mitchell" ; "Chris Parsons" ; "Chris Hopkins" ; "Chris Harrison" ; "Chris Bates" ; "Chris Ball" ; "Carol Lewis" ; "Bruce Naylor" <bruce@cpr-tech.co.uk>; "Brian Whitehead" ; "Brian Walker" ; "Brian Kear" ; "Brian Kane" ; "Bill Allen" ; "Barry Simon" ; "Barry Conway" ; "Ian Comley" Subject: Fw: NORTH WEALD AIRFIELD - FLY TO NW AND SUPPORT US Dear Supporter ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry D'Eath Hughes ; Roger Burrows ; Rob Pritchard ; Paul Jackson ; Paul Bennett ; Nigel Bilton ; Nic Hart ; Mike Steward ; Mike Nice ; Mike Nairn ; Malcolm Cleveley ; Lorraine Walker ; Linda Smith ; Kelvin Woodard ; John Dunnett ; Joe Moss ; Jim Lawn ; Harry Hopkins ; Glenn Waters ; Ed Howard ; Derrick Brunt ; Clive James ; Andy Gorrod ; Andrew Castleden Subject: Fw: NORTH WEALD AIRFIELD - FLY TO NW AND SUPPORT US Dear Supporter FLY TO NORTH WEALD SUNDAY 6 MARCH! The North Weald Airfield Users Group (NWAUG) are delighted to announce that landing fees at North Weald are waived on Sunday 6 March! The NWAUG invites everyone to fly to North Weald, on that day, and will be holding a workshop so that you can lodge your objections to RSS 14 (the East of England Plan) to build 6000 houses on the Airfield. All the forms will be completed in advance, so all you need to do is sign and submit them. We will even post them for you! NWAUG members will be in attendance from 11.00 onwards to offer advice and a briefing will be held at 14.00, for visitors and local residents, which will last approx. 30 mins. You are then free to enjoy your hamburgers! Please help the cause! We need as many as possible to attend and make their views known. Please come along in even if you have already made submitted your objections. PLEASE NOTE - This invitation is for everyone - not just those with aircraft - so please join us however you wish to get here. PPR is not required! The Team at the NWAUG 20 February 2005 Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Hutchinson" <hutch(at)hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Gascolator returns
Date: Feb 22, 2005
Hi Guys, Many thanks to all who responded to my gascolator hatch query, in particular to David Joyce and Paul Stewart who sent/linked me to some pictures of how you did it. A picture says a thousand words! I just need to get down to preparing the mod leaflet to the PFA now! Cheers Brian Hutchinson Currently nibbling away at the cowlings... 357 Mono Sleaford Lincolnshire ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Relayed: can anyone give me some pointers
From: "GrahamSingleton" <graham(at)gflight.f9.co.uk>
Date: Feb 22, 2005
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty > Nice to see Dave and Terry getting some credit at last for the prototype Europa! Duncan, Who was Dave and Terry ? New names to me ! Cheers Kingsley Kingsley, my ole! Dave Sanderson is Ivan Shaws oldest friend. Terry is his cousin. Dave built all the plugs, with help from Terry, among other things he is a skilled joiner. Somewhere I have a photograph (film) of Dave, who has a big red beard, sat astride the fuselage plug wearing a very convincing viking helmet. I did a little bit too, built a flap, leading edge of one wing, and had an opinion of the first cowling plug. (didnt look like a Long EZ) Jon Tye was the launch customer, he built the other flap and the same LE. When I get home from Ivalo next Sunday, give me a reminder and I will try and find it. Right now I am having a much needed lesson in how to use these space age tools. (confusers, iSMAQ PDAs and other things) Graham ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 22, 2005
From: Paul Stewart <europa(at)pstewart.f2s.com>
Subject: Re: Gascolator returns
Brian If you let me have an address, I can send you a photocopy of my mod application. Not that it's perfect or anything, but it was enough for Francis. Regards Paul Stewart #432 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca>
Subject: Fw: Emailing: oops
Date: Feb 22, 2005
Subject: Emailing: oops | The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: | Shortcut to: http://www.micom.net/oops/ This, just in,,,,,,,,, Ferg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca>
Subject: East of England plan
Date: Feb 22, 2005
Good day, I understand that the above plan includes the destruction of one of the Battle of Britain airfields - North Weald. I have visited the airfield many times as aviator and historian, ahving flown the early jet fighters and as former Commanding Officer of 401 Fighter Squadron, Royal Canadian Air Force (now relegated to history because it does not have any French content) - a participant in the Battle and Canada's most successful fighter unti in WW II. I have also flown many tourists to England in 45 years of flying. As you may imagine, I was appalled to discover that the 'plan' provides for razing the field, and adding 6,000 houses as an alternative. Were it not for North Weald, there would be no need for the houses, as the Germans had no plans for them or their possible inhabitants in their conquest plan. Thanks to these fields - few of which remain - it is possible for the majority of 'planners' to exist. It would serve the history of Great britain and its former Commonwealth partners far better if the plannned houses were to be sited in Hyde Park, between Kensington Palace and Park Lane where little of importance to the very existence of the British people occurred. Turning your back on those who made you possible will snuff many thousands of tourist pounds from the coffers of nearby North Weald establishments - none of which will ever attract me to the UK again. Ignore vital history at you peril. Fergus Kyle ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess(at)bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: TailWheel Mod
Date: Feb 22, 2005
Jim, Tony K's tailwheel plate has three attachment points: You can choose the ratio between rudder deflection and tailwheel deflection you like. I made a dwg-drawing of this plate and gave it to my laser cutter - nice result. If anyone wants a copy of the dwg-file, let me know, I will send it off forum as an attachment. Alfred Alfred Buess Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32 E-Mail: ykibuess(at)bluewin.ch Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Butcher Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Februar 2005 00:13 An: europa-list(at)matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: Re: TailWheel Mod Mike, Ours is about 18" from center of rod end to center of rod end. It all depends on where the CS29 bracket ended up. BTW, there's been alot of comments on this forum about the tailwheel in general. Tony K has a mod for the steering cable attach points, says it makes it easier to control on pavement and Terry Seaver comments to limit the amount of angle the tail wheel can go through to give easier control on pavement. We're still debating whether to do either or both. Jim & Heather Butcher A185, N241BW Just hung engine for final time! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: RE: Relayed: can anyone give me some pointers
Date: Feb 22, 2005
I think the "viking" picture may have appeared in the Sport Aviation article that appeared on the development of the prototype; c.mid 1990's, if anyone has the CD archives of SA. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GrahamSingleton" <graham(at)gflight.f9.co.uk> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Relayed: can anyone give me some pointers > > > Nice to see Dave and Terry getting some credit at last for the > prototype > Europa! > > Duncan, > Who was Dave and Terry ? New names to me ! > > Cheers > Kingsley > > Kingsley, my ole! > Dave Sanderson is Ivan Shaws oldest friend. Terry is his cousin. Dave built all the plugs, with help from Terry, among other things he is a skilled joiner. Somewhere I have a photograph (film) of Dave, who has a big red beard, sat astride the fuselage plug wearing a very convincing viking helmet. > I did a little bit too, built a flap, leading edge of one wing, and had an opinion of the first cowling plug. (didnt look like a Long EZ) Jon Tye was the launch customer, he built the other flap and the same LE. > When I get home from Ivalo next Sunday, give me a reminder and I will try and find it. Right now I am having a much needed lesson in how to use these space age tools. > (confusers, iSMAQ PDAs and other things) > Graham > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr(at)growzone.com.au>
Subject: Re: RE: Relayed: can anyone give me some pointers
Date: Feb 23, 2005
Thank you for the history lesson Graham. I have always been interested in how it all got started and marvelled at those who built the first Europa from scratch in only a fraction of the time it is taking me to stuff around. Makes me feel a bit inferior, believe me ! I always suspected you had a hand in it somewhere because of the fact that you knew all those involved. I take it Nev Eyre must have come along later ? Just last night I overheard my wife on the phone say to a friend that we are going to the UK and Europe next year. Can you believe that ? as the old adage goes, 'where there's smoke there's fire' so I must try to fan it along a bit ! Good to hear from you and be good mate Cheers Kingsley ----- Original Message ----- From: "GrahamSingleton" <graham(at)gflight.f9.co.uk> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Relayed: can anyone give me some pointers > Kingsley, my ole! > Dave Sanderson is Ivan Shaws oldest friend. Terry is his cousin. Dave > built all the plugs, with help from Terry, among other things he is a > skilled joiner. Somewhere I have a photograph (film) of Dave, who has a > big red beard, sat astride the fuselage plug wearing a very convincing > viking helmet. > I did a little bit too, built a flap, leading edge of one wing, and had an > opinion of the first cowling plug. (didnt look like a Long EZ) Jon Tye was > the launch customer, he built the other flap and the same LE. > When I get home from Ivalo next Sunday, give me a reminder and I will try > and find it. Right now I am having a much needed lesson in how to use > these space age tools. > (confusers, iSMAQ PDAs and other things) > Graham > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 22, 2005
From: Paul Stewart <europa(at)pstewart.f2s.com>
Subject: letter 38
In the March popular flying Andrew Moore referrs to a 'letter 38' detailing detailing design criteria for instrument installations including the implications of installing electronic displays (page 35). It claims this letter is downloadable from the PFA web site - I can't find it. Anyone know where it is or know what is says? Regards Paul Stewart #432 - hoping I can still use my EFIS-1 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 23, 2005
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: TailWheel Mod
Mike, Limiting the tailwheel movement..........thats interesting. I have fully castoring. It does however take a positive input beyond the normal full deflection to unlock. So, one day we'll see. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia At 10:12 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote: > >Mike, > >Ours is about 18" from center of rod end to center of rod end. It all >depends on where the CS29 bracket ended up. BTW, there's been alot of >comments on this forum about the tailwheel in general. Tony K has a mod for >the steering cable attach points, says it makes it easier to control on >pavement and Terry Seaver comments to limit the amount of angle the tail >wheel can go through to give easier control on pavement. We're still >debating whether to do either or both. > >Jim & Heather Butcher A185, N241BW >Just hung engine for final time! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Hutchinson" <hutch(at)hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Gascolator returns- Links
Date: Feb 23, 2005
To Stephan in Norway, Building aeroplanes is one thing... coping with this technology is another!. The stuff I received from David Joyce was an attachment to an e-mail sent to my own e-mail address (Off-Forum). I understand we can't send attachments via the Forum, so if you send me your e-mail address, I'll forward the information to you. The link from Paul Stewart was... http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album58&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php Hope I've got this right!!!! Brian Hutchinson hutch(at)hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Gascolator returns- Links > Hi Brian, > > I am just about to install my gascolator and fuel pump. > > As you say: "A picture says a thousand words". Would you be so kind and > send me your links? > > Thanks in advanced > > Best regards > Stephan > #556 Mono - Norway > > > ------------------------------------------- > This mail was sent through Freewave AS Webmail > http://www.freewave.no/ > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Gascolator returns- Links
From: "SteveD" <Post2Forum(at)comcast.net>
Date: Feb 22, 2005
Brian, Attachments are not allowed by Matronics but are allowed on the EuropaOwners Site. If you post your message on the website, at the bottom of the window is a choose file button. Click it and choose the file you want to send. The photo or files will post on the website and send a email with your text and links to your photos to Matronics. This is all automatic. On another note, I've also added some links to the links page: http://www.europaowners.org/links.php Basically its what I had bookmarked at home. If anyone would like to add to them go feel free. The links come to me for approval prior to appearing to keep out the spam..... Chat Later, Steved. ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MR!PAUL MITCHELL" <paul.mitchell2(at)homecall.co.uk>
Subject: Re: letter 38
Date: Feb 23, 2005
Paul, PFA home page then Engineering down the left side then Information leaflets and 38 is last on the list. Paul Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stewart" <europa(at)pstewart.f2s.com> Subject: Europa-List: letter 38 > > In the March popular flying Andrew Moore referrs to a 'letter 38' > detailing detailing design criteria for instrument installations > including the implications of installing electronic displays (page 35). > It claims this letter is downloadable from the PFA web site - I can't > find it. Anyone know where it is or know what is says? > > > Regards > > Paul Stewart > #432 - hoping I can still use my EFIS-1 > > > -- > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3(at)msn.com>
Subject: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings
Date: Feb 23, 2005
Having fitted my Singleton tailwheel bellcrank, I=92m now looking at how to arrange the autopilot pitch servo =96 so I rigged up the flap drive tube and some string for the rudder cables. The rudder cable runs seem VERY close to the fuel tank fittings =96 and I was wondering if anyone else had had this, or is there some way of ensuring they don=92t contact? Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member =93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94 Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1320 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister(at)qia.net>
Subject: Re: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings
Date: Feb 23, 2005
Jeremy, I put my cables inside some nyloflow tube and it has worked out fine. I ran it from the front up to the pulley then from behind the pulley all the way past the mass balance weight assembly. This is how the Vari / Long Eze's do it. I have been told that they don't even use a pulley. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3(at)msn.com> > > Having fitted my Singleton tailwheel bellcrank, now looking at how to > arrange the autopilot pitch servo so I rigged up the flap drive tube and > some string for the rudder cables. The rudder cable runs seem VERY close > to > the fuel tank fittings and I was wondering if anyone else had had this, or > is there some way of ensuring they dont contact? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Butcher" <europa(at)triton.net>
Subject: 914 Throttle
Date: Feb 23, 2005
Could some of you share how you made the 100% detent on the throttle and how you made it adjustable. My ideas aren't working out too well!! Thanks Jim Butcher A185 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EuropaXSA276(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 23, 2005
Subject: Mod 61Question
Gents: I started work on the stall warner horn this weekend. The instructions say that the air tube should be installed through the flange of the forward rib BL102. The measurements given in the instruction , 1 3/4 from the W11 brackets completely missed the rib flange! I peeked through the holes after they were drilled. My guess is that it was a half inch miss to outboard.... Grrr Perhaps my rib is off? My guess is you want to drill through the flange for added support of the tube? Anyway I installed the air tube but used a syringe filled with redux / flox and pack a lot into the leading edge and spar area since I did not hit the rib flange. Also made sure the tube was at the proper angel on the leading edge. Do you think this will be OK with enough support for the tube? Anyone noted this problem before? Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 23, 2005
From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Subject: Re: 914 Throttle
Jim Butcher a crit : > >Could some of you share how you made the 100% detent on the throttle and how you made it adjustable. My ideas aren't working out too well!! > >Thanks > >Jim Butcher A185 > > > Jim, Our project is not a Europa but an MCR 4S four seater. But the engine is a 914, and the following picture could be of interest. Sorry for the poor quality of the photo. http://gilles.thesee.free.fr/temp/DSCF1060.JPG The 100% stop can be clearly felt when advancing the throttle. The numbered lever is the cowl flap control, and the home made data acquisition connector can be seen in the background. Hope this helps, Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France 15 happy flight hours performed to date http://gilles.thesee.free.fr ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3(at)msn.com>
Subject: Mod 61Question
Date: Feb 23, 2005
Brian, Have you checked with Andy Draper? He can advise if your solution gives rise to a strength issue. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1320 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of EuropaXSA276(at)aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Mod 61Question Gents: I started work on the stall warner horn this weekend. The instructions say that the air tube should be installed through the flange of the forward rib BL102. The measurements given in the instruction , 1 3/4 from the W11 brackets completely missed the rib flange! I peeked through the holes after they were drilled. My guess is that it was a half inch miss to outboard.... Grrr Perhaps my rib is off? My guess is you want to drill through the flange for added support of the tube? Anyway I installed the air tube but used a syringe filled with redux / flox and pack a lot into the leading edge and spar area since I did not hit the rib flange. Also made sure the tube was at the proper angel on the leading edge. Do you think this will be OK with enough support for the tube? Anyone noted this problem before? Brian Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Berube" <bberube(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: First Flight
Date: Feb 23, 2005
Bryan Long's Europa Serial A124, made its first flight Feb. 21 from Zephyrhills Airport in Florida with Lee Omernik at the controls. Aircraft is equipped with 914, Airmaster, conventional taildragger and full IFR. First flight was 30 minutes with no problems other than engine running a bit cool at OAT of 80 degrees. Bryan does not participate on the thread so I am including on his behalf. Bob Berube Flight Crafters ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 24, 2005
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw(at)optusnet.com.au> tank fittings
Subject: Re: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel
tank fittings fittings Jeremy, About those rudder cables, sleeve them with Poly flo, or the other similar fuel line material in the Spruce catalogue. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia At 08:10 PM 2/23/2005, you wrote: > >Having fitted my Singleton tailwheel bellcrank, I=92m now looking at how to >arrange the autopilot pitch servo =96 so I rigged up the flap drive tube and >some string for the rudder cables. The rudder cable runs seem VERY close to >the fuel tank fittings =96 and I was wondering if anyone else had had this, or >is there some way of ensuring they don=92t contact? > >Regards, >Jeremy > >Jeremy Davey >Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA >Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative >PFA EC Member >=93If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is >possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation.=94 >Tail done >Standard XS wings with mods underway >CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) >1320 build hours to date >Intended fit: >Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop >Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings
Date: Feb 25, 2005
From: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>
Received-SPF: none >> The rudder cable runs seem VERY close to the fuel tank fittings and I was wondering if anyone else had had this, or is there some way of ensuring they dont contact? Jeremy, Run them in nylaflow tube alongside the tank and the pitchstop support using small brackets to hold the nylaflow in place. If you also use nylaflow tubes through the fin out to the tailwheel rather than stainless steel then you'll find the tubes will deflect as the tailwheel moves and reduce friction wear of the cables at that point. Regards tony ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings
From: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi>
Date: Feb 24, 2005
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty My tank did not end up exactly in the middle. The result was, that the starboard rudder cable was touching the tank. I decided against the tubing option because i fear water collecting in the tube. Freezing water will cause a stuck rudder consequently. So i added a second pulley wheel at the end of the tunnel in the cockpit module, which also does the job. Cu, Jos Okhuijsen ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cliff" <mx(at)crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings
Date: Feb 25, 2005
> Having fitted my Singleton tailwheel bellcrank, I=92m now looking at how to > arrange the autopilot pitch servo =96 so I rigged up the flap drive tube and > some string for the rudder cables. The rudder cable runs seem VERY close to > the fuel tank fittings =96 and I was wondering if anyone else had had this, or > is there some way of ensuring they don=92t contact? As as alternative to enclosing the cables in Nylaflow tubing, one or two people have installed extra tufnol rubbing blocks to hold the cables clear of the scenery in the tank tunnel area. John Cliff #0259 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings
Date: Feb 25, 2005
Hi! John The use of spiral cable wrap is also less likely to catch any water but I think the water and freezing is a long shot anyway, I still have dust in there where I couldn't vacuum out. You don't have to put the spiral wrap on prior to installation also since you can wind it on. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cliff Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings > Having fitted my Singleton tailwheel bellcrank, I=92m now looking at how to > arrange the autopilot pitch servo =96 so I rigged up the flap drive tube and > some string for the rudder cables. The rudder cable runs seem VERY close to > the fuel tank fittings =96 and I was wondering if anyone else had had this, or > is there some way of ensuring they don=92t contact? As as alternative to enclosing the cables in Nylaflow tubing, one or two people have installed extra tufnol rubbing blocks to hold the cables clear of the scenery in the tank tunnel area. John Cliff #0259 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: RE: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings
Date: Feb 25, 2005
Jos, My rudder cables go in nylon tubing thru wheel well and under tank, as do a lot of others and a similar system is +/- universal in gliders. 3 yrs of flying in all weathers & temperatures, including a trip round upper reaches of Mont Blanc, hasn't produced a suspicion of a problem. I suspect that even if water did get in, the non-stick nature of the nylon surface together with the high load tolerance of the rudder system would mean that it wouldn't cause any real problem. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings > > My tank did not end up exactly in the middle. The result was, that the starboard rudder cable was touching the tank. I decided against the tubing option because i fear water collecting in the tube. Freezing water will cause a stuck rudder consequently. So i added a second pulley wheel at the end of the tunnel in the cockpit module, which also does the job. > > Cu, > > Jos Okhuijsen > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3(at)msn.com>
Subject: RE: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings
Date: Feb 25, 2005
I just wanted to thank everyone who has helped with this problem. It's good to know it's so easily fixed - and while it's comforting to know I'm not the only one to experience it, perhaps that isnt such a good thing! Cheers, guys! Kind regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1320 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings Jos, My rudder cables go in nylon tubing thru wheel well and under tank, as do a lot of others and a similar system is +/- universal in gliders. 3 yrs of flying in all weathers & temperatures, including a trip round upper reaches of Mont Blanc, hasn't produced a suspicion of a problem. I suspect that even if water did get in, the non-stick nature of the nylon surface together with the high load tolerance of the rudder system would mean that it wouldn't cause any real problem. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Rudder cables look very close to the fuel tank fittings > > My tank did not end up exactly in the middle. The result was, that the starboard rudder cable was touching the tank. I decided against the tubing option because i fear water collecting in the tube. Freezing water will cause a stuck rudder consequently. So i added a second pulley wheel at the end of the tunnel in the cockpit module, which also does the job. > > Cu, > > Jos Okhuijsen > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Doctors.net.uk e-mail protects you from viruses and unsolicited messages > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
Subject: North Wield
Date: Feb 25, 2005
Those of you who, like the eloquent Fergus, would not like to see N. Weald disappear under a mass of new housing will find protest letters ready for you to sign and email to the Planning Consultation Team at: www.northwealdairfield.org. The deadline is 16 March so please do something about it now. David Joyce ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca>
Subject: Rudder push rod
Date: Feb 25, 2005
To whom it may concern: The following remarks are in reply to a question about Graham Singleton's mod PFA 10371 which uses the original pushrod to add to the revised longer tailwheel spring mod. I lost the query message regarding the above subject and made a point to measure the requisite parameters next time. I suppose being late in reply it's redundant, but wanted to appear keen: The simple rod length (no ends 14 inches add the rodends AN490HT8P shoulder-shoulder 14-1/4 inches distance twixt endfitting centrelines MW4 18 inches Strangely enough these distances are measured to the nearest mm, in situ, give the requisite 30deg either side travel, and permit about 3/4in in rod length change if required - that is, the rodends and fittings are at mid-range. Cheers, Ferg A064 sandingsandingsanding ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Rudder push rod
From: "GrahamSingleton" <graham(at)gflight.f9.co.uk>
Date: Feb 25, 2005
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty The simple rod length (no ends 14 inches add the rodends AN490HT8P shoulder-shoulder 14-1/4 inches distance twixt endfitting centrelines MW4 18 inches Strangely enough these distances are measured to the nearest mm, in situ, give the requisite 30deg either side travel, and permit about 3/4in in rod length change if required - that is, the rodends and fittings are at mid-range. Cheers, Ferg Fergus, and anyone still reading this thread, Don't forget there are several variables which affect the eventual length of the rod, bulkhead position, sternpost position, width of the flanges etc. and of course the position of the CS29. Start at 17 inches and cut back in degreasing increments. It is easy to slip the rear end fitting in and try it, then swing the rudder out again hanging from


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