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before there is a problem. Carburetors are easy to inspect and fix :) Lead in my 912-s due to using 100 LL does many bad things, none of which are easy to fix. Being forced to run non synthetic oil will cause my 912-s to wear out much sooner than it should. This makes for a very easy choice for me, I will keep using Auto gas. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181238#181238 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Streamlined Gear Legs
Date: May 05, 2008
From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Larry - Congrats on getting your bird back together and flying so quickly! The streamlining on your gear legs appears to be the same plastic slip-on streamlining used for our Kolb wing struts. How did you secure it to you gear legs? (Is it even secured at all?) I ask, because I have some extra streamlining that I want to install on my OWN gear legs. Hopin' to pick up a knot or two in cruise if I do this. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, 912ul, in Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: q
From: "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 05, 2008
Russ, Have you thought or heard about about an 'Angle of Attack' or 'Lift Reserve Indicator' ? If you want to go further with this then perhaps a 'google' search and a little research on the subject might be in order. I watched a demo at Sun'n Fun last month and it was impressive.The major advantage of this device is it indicates your current angle of attack regardless of airspeed or g loading etc, whereas the Indicated Air Speed at stall is only valid for a given set of circumstances. Change the circumstances and the IAS value will change with it. There seem to be some fairly simple and cheap DIY versions available right through to sophisticated models with audio warning and/or blinking lights as you approach the critical angle. Those come with a higher price tag of course. Might be worth looking at anyway. Fly safe ! David. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181248#181248 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: Streamlined Gear Legs
Date: May 05, 2008
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Streamlined Gear Legs Hi, Actually they are aluminum. I had some extra sheet aluminum 30 thousands thick that I bent to fit the legs. They are secured with a strip of Velcro at the back where they come together. I probably didn't need it as they are pretty snug without. I think that if they are able to move freely on the leg the wind would align them correctly. The blanks are 10 inches wide and bent on a homemade brake. So when I was painting I also shot them with paint as well, using vinegar as a etching agent. Time will tell. Larry C ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 100LL long term vs. alkie
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 05, 2008
JetPilot wrote: > I am think Auto Gas containing Alcohol is much better for the 912-s than 100 LL. I have a fuel sump, and always check for water no matter what kind of fuel I am using, so water is not an issue. > > Possible carburetor damage, almost everyone is being forced to buy ethanol now and reports will be coming in and I will know what to look for in the carbs long before there is a problem. Carburetors are easy to inspect and fix :) Lead in my 912-s due to using 100 LL does many bad things, none of which are easy to fix. Being forced to run non synthetic oil will cause my 912-s to wear out much sooner than it should. This makes for a very easy choice for me, I will keep using Auto gas. > > Mike It's the water that _hasn't_ happened to have seperated out of the ethanol when I check the drain that really concerns me. It can then precipitate out later whilst in the engine unbeknownst to me and do absolutely nightmarish things.... BTDT and ain't goin there again! ;) As for the oil, the motor will go out to TBO fine with a semi-synthetic, I don't see that as a concern. But so far with the info I've gotten both ways that it looks like 100LL barely eases out ahead of the spiked mogas in terms of reliability and longevity. There'll be a hike in the maintenance needed, but that's a lot better than rusted out bearings, etc...... That's the way I'm going to go, looks like (until an unleaded avgas appears if it ever appears ;))... LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181255#181255 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 05, 2008
From: Mike Welch <airspeedx3(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Streamlined Gear Legs
Dennis, How's the airplane repairs coming along? I understand you're going to MV, but I thought I read somewqhere Dave is picking you up in his C-175. Regarding the attachment of the steamline shaped fairing, if I were to attach mine, I would most likely use that insulation foam called "Great Stuff". $5 at Home Depot. Just a little shot at each end of the opening, around the gear leg, and after a few hours it is STUCK!! If you aren't very familiar with the product, I'd recommend a couple of practice projects, to find out how much is expands. (which is quite a bit) You would only want a shot of it in front and behind the gear leg. Not too much, tho! (You would want to duct tape the fairing in position, so that the foam doesn't alter the fairing, during the expanding stage). Once it is firm, carve and shape the excess that bulged out the fairing. You could even fill, sand and paint the ends. One thing to note is that once you spray the stuff, LEAVE IT ALONE! If you screw with it, it sort of collapses, and doesn't "re-expand." It weighs virtually nothing, is easy to shape if excess bulges out, and is cheap. And holds on better than King Kong's grip! BTW, if you are really serious about streamlining your MkIII, the best place to start is where the windscreen intersects below the leading edge of the wing. That is where Barnaby Wainfan began his design changes, and came up with the "Xtra". Consider making your own fiberglass fairing to smooth the airflow over the wing gap. Just my thoughts....... Mike Welch "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" wrote: Larry - Congrats on getting your bird back together and flying so quickly! The streamlining on your gear legs appears to be the same plastic slip-on streamlining used for our Kolb wing struts. How did you secure it to you gear legs? (Is it even secured at all?) I ask, because I have some extra streamlining that I want to install on my OWN gear legs. Hopin' to pick up a knot or two in cruise if I do this. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, 912ul, in Cedar Crest, NM --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 05, 2008
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Firestar Project
We went to the airfield yesterday and switched out the bent LG legs. One of the bent ones is clearly marked 6061. Definately home made. Nice machine work, wrong material. We installed what appears to be the original legs, marked "R" and "L". Because they were only slightly bent, I put them in bent side up, until I do something permanently. I checked the sockets, and there is a piece of tubing in there to bush it down from 1 1/8" to 1". On one side the tube goes in 8 1/2", the other side is 9". I get my Kolb List info late due to a computer problem, so I didn't check to see if they were aluminum or steel. TNK doesn't have 1" ones, so I will have to see about converting. I think Larry's FS had the same lower axle fitting, so I may as well change that, too. I hope the tube are just tight in there, and not welded or something. A friend of mine has some reamers, and I will check with him. There is still a slight negative dihedral on the right wing, and I don't like the front adapter. That will be re-done shortly. I ran slow taxi tests up and down the field to check the old gear. I never went fast enough to lift the tail, but did the same U-turns, S-turns, and right and left turns to check the gear (and my back) on the bumps on the grass strip. I probably made another 8 laps, and it handles nicely- except for no brakes. John H.- thanks for the history. I wonder why they were 1" originally, when there was room for the 1 1/8"? Strange. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Mark III spins and rudder authority?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 05, 2008
How does the Mark III Classic do in a spin? The reason I ask is we did a slight cross controlled stall and with just a tad of rudder input she dropped the wing fairly quick. I think it surprised my instructor. It spooked me. Stalls with out rudder in put are very docile and straight. Is the Mark III safe to spin or not? We are not planning to spin it but it would be nice to do a more abrupt cross controlled stall for practice. I dont have a BRS on the plane. Also the plane requires very little to no rudder input to fly coordinated turns. It will not slip very well either. The Mark IIIs rudder authority is nothing like the challenger II where the rudder seems to be a whole lot more sensitive and effective in slips and is needed for coordinated turns. Of course the MK III has a long tail and larger tail feathers. Grant Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181317#181317 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 05, 2008
The Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest submission deadline is just a week away. All photos submitted before 2400 hours, 12 May 2008 will be considered. Results of the Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest will be announced on the Monument Valley Airport flightline Friday, 16 May 2008 at 1700 hours. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1595 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181339#181339 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 05, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: q
Russ, I havn't got anywhere near the time in spam cans that I imagine you h ave but I did spend at least 500 hrs inthe right seat of a 172 and about th e same in- a Heleo Courier I have flown a Firestar 490 hrs and did a lot of low level tight turns at just above stall speed and my 2 cents is DONT W ORRY ABOUT IT- you will be able to fly slower and lower than you ever fle w before and at that " you will still be well above stall speed "! just my 2cents Chris=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Russ Kinne <russ@r kiphoto.com>=0ATo: Kolb List =0ASent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 7:59:56 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: q=0A=0A--> Kolb-List message poste d by: Russ Kinne =0A=0AList=0ANew subject, and no rush a bout getting answers. I spect many are- =0Areadying for MV trips.=0ABut d oes anyone have a stall-warning horn or light? I've done a lot- =0Aof low -altitude, low speed flying (mostly swordfish spotting and- =0Awhale rese arch) and have relied fairly heavily on having a stall- =0Awarning alarm. A t least I think I have; after hundreds of hours it's- =0Aall automatic by now. Have been accused of wearing out the stall- =0Awarning horn; but that 's not (quite) true.=0AHowever I THINK I will need some sort of approach-to -stall warning- =0Awhen I start flying a Kolb.=0AOpinions?=0ARuss Kinne -=- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Drall ==========0A=0A=0A _________________________________ ___________________________________________________=0ABe a better friend, n ewshound, and =0Aknow-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobil e.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: q
Date: May 05, 2008
Chris, list, all Thanx for the input in re stall warnings. I may not have made myself clear. In whale research I'm usually 300-500AGL and putting all my attention out the window, shooting pix. It does help to have an audible warning. I love the way a J3's door acts as as an AOA indicator, and I imagine I'll be able to feel a Kolb well before it quits flying. But I did want to ask. Russ Kinne do not archive On May 5, 2008, at 7:59 PM, chris davis wrote: > Russ, I havn't got anywhere near the time in spam cans that I > imagine you have but I did spend at least 500 hrs inthe right seat > of a 172 and about the same in a Heleo Courier I have flown a > Firestar 490 hrs and did a lot of low level tight turns at just > above stall speed and my 2 cents is DONT WORRY ABOUT IT you will > be able to fly slower and lower than you ever flew before and at > that " you will still be well above stall speed "! just my 2cents > Chris > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 05, 2008
> Results of the ?oMonument Valley 2008 Photo Contest? will be announced on the Monument Valley Airport flightline Friday, 16 May 2008 at 1700 hours. > > -------- > John Williamson John W: Great! I should be out of my sleeping bag by 1700. john h mkIII - No one will believe me, but my airplane is ready to be loaded and fuel topped off to leave for MV in one week tomorrow. This has to be a first and some kind of a record for me. Usually, I don't have the airplane ready to go until the day before. Just got back from my buddy Ronnie Collins, where I gunked the 912ULS and washed Miss P'fer for the first time since last Sep. Hope I can make it to MV without a stall warning horn. ;-) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: qqqqqq
Date: May 05, 2008
> Steven > > BTW Why is the subject line always "q". Steven G: I don't know about Tennessee or Connecticut, but down here in the Heart of Dixie "q" means one is a little light in the loafers. ;-) john h mkIII - Too deaf to hear a stall warning horn. Almost too blind to see one. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: q
Date: May 05, 2008
Russ K: At that altitude you could stall a Kolb and recover several times, unless you were sound asleep. Like I have said previously, I depend on the ASI to keep me above stall speed, especially when I am near the ground or water. If you are that engrossed in photography, suggest you get a pilot to fly you. One that depends entirely on his instincts to keep from stalling will one day pay the price. john h mkIII I'm usually 300-500AGL Russ Kinne ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: May 05, 2008
Subject: Re: Homer Kolb Fly-in
Terry, Could you post the Date for Homers Fly-in? I was thinking it was on Fathers Day but cant remember. I was not planning on going at first but now I am considering it. Ed Diebel **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Key <dhkey(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 06, 2008
seems like the 2008 contest should be photos from 2008, not photos from ear lier years.> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest> Fr om: kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:51:49 -0700> To: kolb- olbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>> > The Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest submission deadline is just a week away.> > All photos submitted before 2400 hours, 1 2 May 2008 will be considered. > > Results of the =9CMonument Valley 2008 Photo Contest=9D will be announced on the Monument Valley Airpor t flightline Friday, 16 May 2008 at 1700 hours.> > --------> John Williamso n> Arlington, TX> > Kolbra, 912ULS, 1595 hours> http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbr apilot> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com ===============> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III spins and rudder authority?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 06, 2008
Anyone have any tips:?: :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181442#181442 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III spins and rudder authority?
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 06, 2008
grantr wrote: > Anyone have any tips:?: :? Well since noone is saying anything, I don't know about the mark III but the FSII did more or less the same thing as you describe. Power-idle and fully coordinated into the stall, it'd give a nice clean break and drop the nose forward a bit. Very nice and gentle, very controllable. You do have to be a bit "forward" with the stick to get it fully flying again if you recover without power. No problem. Cross-controlled stalls especially with some power on would drop a wing down in a very definite manner, but recovery was easy by simply releasing back pressure on the stick and applying opposite rudder. Again nothing unexpected or wild. I recall doing a couple of falling leaf stalls and was able to hold it for quite a long time before it eventually felt like an incipient spin entry was about to happen. I don't believe the Kolbs are approved for spins so I never attempted one in mine. Therefore I have no idea how it would recover from a spin. But from what I recall it was a very stable plane, especially considering there's only 1" of dihedral and no washout in the wing panels..... LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181485#181485 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 06, 2008
Stay tuned for the "Return From Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest". You trying to get ahead of the program? :D -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1605 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181488#181488 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Key <dhkey(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 06, 2008
I don't have any photos to enter yet! that should change soon.> Subject: Ko lb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest> From: kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.c om> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 07:46:53 -0700> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com> > -- > Stay tuned for the "Return From Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest".> > Y ou trying to get ahead of the program? :D> > --------> John Williamson> Arl ington, TX> > Kolbra, 912ULS, 1605 hours> http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewt =============> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WillUribe(at)aol.com
Date: May 06, 2008
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
This was taken by me at sunrise of Dave's FireStar **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Email Ettiquette
Date: May 06, 2008
Mike W: I have a question for John W. What the hell is a "Kimbra"? Looks like it is powered with a 912ULS with 1605 hours. ;-) john h hauck's holler, alabama mkIII, 2,756.5 hours 912ULS, 188.0 hours Hours in my own Kolb aircraft, 4,326.5 Hours in other's Kolb aircraft, ???? John Williamson Arlington, TX Kimbra, 912ULS, 1605 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Email Ettiquette
Date: May 06, 2008
Mike W: I'm not John W, but I agree with all the below. To defend myself, I don't always have time to answer ever email that is posted to the Kolb List that I could comment on based on my own personal experience. If I did, I'd be sitting here at the computer rather than out flying, which I am about to do. Going to do a 120 sm cross country to get an idea how my mkIII is really flying before I load up and fly to MV. Flying around the patch or 10 miles over to the local airport does not tell me what the airplane is going to do on a long cross country flight. john h mkIII 1) When you change the subject and go off on some tangent to the original subject, how about CHANGING the subject line? 2) How about SIGNING your name? 3) When signing your name, how about identifying your Kolb affiliation? 4) How about answering someones question nicely? Mike Welch ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Old Firestars
Date: May 06, 2008
Hi Bill S: The aluminum tubes that bush the gear leg sockets are pushed into place. Weld spatter where there is burn through locks the tube in place, plus corrosion helps lock it in almost permanently. Will take some elbow grease and barn yard engineering to remove them. FS came out in 1985. I started building mine in 1986, flying it for the first time in 1987. My first flight in a Kolb was my US in 1984. Took me 3 months to build. Flew pretty good for my first flight as pilot in a fixed wing. I was rotary wing, but not fixed wing rated in the Army. Had no problem taking off and flying around. Had a little problem landing in an enclosed cow pasture with 600 feet of grass and no brakes. After my first flight, I replaced the broken prop, my Brother Jim welded up some new main gear and repaired the little curved up nose. Took it back over to the cow pasture, took off, flew the pattern and landed. What I learned on my first flight paid off on my second. Never had another problem landing a fixed wing, the basics anyhow.. john h mkIII First, are the tubes used to bush the old secured in any way- Lock-tite or something? Next, what year did the Firestar come out? When did you get yours? Finally, what was your first flight in a Kolb like? Bill Sullivan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Who's going to Monument Valley?
Date: May 06, 2008
From: "Clayton, James" <james.clayton(at)bluecoat.com>
Greetings all from California! My father John and I will not be able to attend this year. Please take and post lots of pictures as we will be with you in spirit. We are planning to come next year.....with my completed plane. An update: just moved the project into a hanger at LVK I have been waiting for since 2004. See you all next year! -Jim and John Clayton Jim Clayton California Mark-3X, 912ULS.....Building www.quantumwrench.com/Kolb.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Martha Neilsen Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:51 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Who's going to Monument Valley? --> I will be there on Friday. I will be driving. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:24 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Who's going to Monument Valley? > > What's the count to MV this year? > > -------- > Dave Rains > N8086T > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179764#179764 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Who's going to Monument Valley?
Date: May 06, 2008
> My father John and I will not be able to attend this year. Jim and John: Sorry you all will not be with us this year, the 6th annual.... Last October and November, Nell and I drug my 5th wheel and dirt bike around the West. We left Lake Tahoe and ran right past Livermore on the way to Holister Hills ORV Park. If I had know where you all were I would have at least called and had a cup of coffee with you. Look forward to seeing you all next year. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Who's going to Monument Valley?
Date: May 06, 2008
> Jim and John: > > Sorry you all will not be with us this year, the 6th annual.... Gang: My most humble appologies. The previous email was supposed to go back copy to my friends Jim and John C. If I do it again, ban me from the List. john h MKIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 06, 2008
Hi Dennis and All, "The Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest submission deadline is just a week away. John - Who will judge the pictures?" >From an earlier post: "To keep the Contest as open as possible, I have hired the best Judges that a small amount of money can buy. Oops, I mean hire. " The Judges are EAA Chapter 34 members from here in Arlington, TX. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1605 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181589#181589 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Resistor spark plugs helped
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
Date: May 06, 2008
Thanks Dana for your advice. I did it all...adjusted my squelch, turned on the noise reducer on the radio itself, ordered the resistor spark plugs from California Power Systems and saw significant improvement in reducing the noise on my handheld radio this morning. I may still see about getting an external antenna...need to do some more testing. Testing = Flying Flying = FUN! -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181591#181591 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 06, 2008
From: Jon LaVasseur <firestar503(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Who's going to Monument Valley?
Hi MV2008 folks, I hope I won't be banned from the list for fudging the subject and letting you know that I won't be able to make MV2008. I hope somebody will miss me, at least a little, and I will try to get there next year. John W - How about letting a Minnesota guy help those Texan judges you bought......or a hired?:-) Jon L Firestar from Minnesota Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 06, 2008
From: Mike Welch <airspeedx3(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Oops!! wrong name
Oops! I meant Jon L. and other Minnesota guys. Mike Welch MkIII CX --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 06, 2008
From: "Dan G." <azfirestar(at)cox.net>
Subject: Monument Valley Flyin Questions
I'm hoping to fly in Friday with my son in the back seat and wife following in the minivan. Really looking forward to seeing the country and finally meeting some of yous guys in person. The plan is to trailer the F2 to Sedona AZ and take a relatively short flight from there - looks like a beautiful trip. What frequency does everyone use for MV traffic? Do I need to call Gouldings before flying in (since it's private)? Any other advice for a first time MV trip? Thanks, Dan G 503 F2 963DG Tucson AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 07, 2008
If I remember correctly, CTAF is 122.9 While technically you need to ask first, no one does, and we have never been questioned. The entire runway is paved now :( , and they are getting used to traffic coming and going with tourist spending money. Advise? Fly safe, meet new friends, and have a wonderful time. Dave R. -------- Dave Rains N8086T Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181677#181677 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MICHAEL MARKER" <mjwings(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 07, 2008
I would like to enter the attached pics for the MV photo contest. Mike Marker Los Lunas, NM Firestar II (503) mjwings(at)msn.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: radiator shroud
Date: May 07, 2008
It took some struggle ( and sure can't compete with Uncle Craig's work) but gotterdone. Comes off with two screws. Looks big but it should reduce drag and improve cooling. test flight maybe within a week. BB MkIII, N3851E, 100+??? hrs DSCN1566.JPG

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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions
Date: May 07, 2008
Dan G: Here is Airnav's page on Monument Valley Airport. http://www.airnav.com/airport/UT25 Runway 16/34 is now paved. Land 16, take off 34 always, regardless of the wind. However, if the wind is blowing hard enough the wrong way for a safe take off, you probably do not need to be flying. There is plenty of room to take off to the south in a Kolb, with 4,000 feet of pavement prior to the 800 foot high vertical rock face, if it was absolutely necessary. 122.9 CTAF. I noticed John W provided the current aerial photo of MV Airport. I have never gotten prior permission to land at MV. If you call for info at the desk, it will only confuse them and you. Have never had anyone ask for my "permission slip". Note: Field elevation is 5,192 feet, a tad less than a mile high. This elevation has snuck up on some folks landing at MV. Have a fun, safe flight. john h mkIII What frequency does everyone use for MV traffic? Do I need to call Gouldings before flying in (since it's private)? Any other advice for a first time MV trip? Thanks, Dan G ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions
Date: May 07, 2008
If I remember correctly, CTAF is 122.9 While technically you need to ask first, no one does, and we have never been questioned. The entire runway is paved now :( , and they are getting used to traffic coming and going with tourist spending money. Advise? Fly safe, meet new friends, and have a wonderful time. Dave R. -------- Dave Rains N8086T Added note. Land to the south runway 16. takeoff to the north runway 34. last year runway 16 was labeled RB. When landing runway 16 it will be up hill, the south end of the runway is about 150 ft higher than the north end. Hazard - 800' agl Mesa - south of the runway. Pattern Altitude 6000 ft mls 800 ft agl. The airport is used by commercial tour operators, twin otters, Cessna caravans, and others,,, it can get busy at times. Be carefull. Boyd Young Kolb MKIIIC Brigham City Ut. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III spins and rudder authority?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 07, 2008
Thanks LS. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181706#181706 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: May 07, 2008
Subject: Re: Firestar Project
Bill Sullivan, I think what you have is an "original" design Kolb FireStar. This model debuted at Sun 'N Fun in 1985 and kits were sold for several years until the introduction of the KX/KXP models. If you can find a copy of EAA Sport Aviation magazine, issued July 1985, you will see that the 1985 FireStar is featured on the front cover, and inside there is a very good five page story about Homer Kolb and his plane, with many photos. During that time, Kolb was offering this as an Ultralight, with the advertising literature stating a weight of 264 lbs. and the fact that it "Needs parachute to be legal ultralight". That's because the FAA allows 24 extra pounds if that device is used, thus an empty weight of 278 lbs. (FAA mandated UL wt. 254 lbs. + Parachute allowance of 24 lbs. = 278) The main gear legs were 7075-T6 tapered aluminum, 1" diameter where they fit into the airframe, and used plastic wheels with a welded up axle/bracket, with the axle part being a 3/4" tube, and no brakes. All this was to keep the weight down. Additional comments were to go lightly with the paint (no silver), but did use some UV preventive in the Polyfiber (Stits) paint. Also, as you have learned from John h and others, there was an aluminum sleeve in the airframe to sleeve it down so the 1" legs would fit. Perhaps Homer had planned on using brakes in the future, which would require a heavier duty gear leg and wheel, and maybe that's why the airframe socket was made to accommodate the larger diameter leg. That is my speculation. At any rate, those 1" legs were VERY easy to bend, so most owners have changed them out to the 1-1/8" size. Criminy, even the larger legs can be bent easily. hehehe Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ In a message dated 5/3/2008 9:11:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, williamtsullivan(at)att.net writes: I started measuring all the spare legs I have, and the I called Travis at TNK. I got a surprise- none of the legs are a size that he has heard of. First- all of them are 1" diameter. Travis said there are only 3 stock diameters; Firefly is 1 1/8", Firestar is 1 1/4", and Mark lll is 1 3/8". All are the same length- 28 1/2". I have spares of 3 different lengths, but all are shorter. My axle end is 3/4", and Travis said all of the ones he knows about are 7/8". He said he has heard of somebody putting a piece of pipe in the "A" frame to bush it down,and I will look for it next trip. I have to look and measure before ordering, so I will be out to the field next week. He also commented that I may have some type of proto-type from the Old Kolb Co. That might explain all the odd dimensions and no serial number. I described the bent legs from taxi testing, and he said that some people will make their own legs using 6061 aluminum. They are supposed to be 7075 T-651. The 6061 legs will bend just like I described. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2008
From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: prop for sale
Thought I should mention this on the Kolb list,before I put it on E-bay.I have two props for the MK-3 C with Jabiru 2200.Can't make them both fit at the same time so I'll offer the Prince carbon fiber with the curled up tips for sale.It was made for this engine and this airframe combination and it looks like new. ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Welch <airspeedx3(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 9:33:15 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Oops!! wrong name Oops! I meant Jon L. and other Minnesota guys. Mike Welch MkIII CX ________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank?
I've seen several references to cracking and failure of the Ultrastar aileron bellcrank and a recommended modification, but nothing on exactly what the fix is. I'm pretty sure mine doesn't have this fix, which makes me nervous... does anybody (John Hauck?) have drawings or photographs of the modified part? Would love to see pix of the inboard wing spar collar mod too... -Dana -- Resist militant "normality" -- A mind is a terrible thing to erase. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank?
Date: May 07, 2008
> I've seen several references to cracking and failure of the Ultrastar > aileron bellcrank and a recommended modification, but nothing on exactly > what the fix is. I'm pretty sure mine doesn't have this fix, which makes > me nervous... does anybody (John Hauck?) have drawings or photographs of > the modified part? > > Would love to see pix of the inboard wing spar collar mod too... > > -Dana Dana: There are two aileron bell cranks on the US. The upper and a larger complex one the aileron push/pull tubes connect to attached to the boom. I had a failure of the upper, the small one above the lower bell crank. My fuselage was welded at the factory. The small tube brace was not welded to stabalize it. Homer felt it was not needed on the factory cages. The plans clearly show a small tube strut welded to the rear of the upper aileron bell crank and was meant to be used by those builders welding their own kit. The large bell crank on the bottom of the boom tube pivots on a 1/4" bolt welded to a curved plate and riveted to the boom, IIRC. I have the old US plans somewhere. They show in detail all this stuff. I put a Z brace made of 4130 strip to the bolt end after the bell crank was installed, riveting it to the boom. I did not like all that lateral stress on a bolt welded and braced on one end only. My 1984 US did not have a collar on the inboard rib. It used two 4130 tubes inside the main spar. Did not do much to prevent wing twist. Heavy aileron input would be canceled out by the wing twisting. The old US had to be flown gently or one could get into trouble. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: tubing source?
I need a short piece of 1" square x.095 4130 tubing to replace one of my US wing U-joints... but nobody seems have thicker than .065. Or is it indeed 4130? Tried ACS, Wicks, Univair... can't find my Dillsburg stock list but they get grumpy about small orders. Any suggestions? -Dana -- CanYouFixTheSpaceBarOnMyKeyboard? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2008
From: Mike Welch <airspeedx3(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: tubing source?
Hey Dana, Check out this link from eBay. I'm pretty sure this is the outfit that I got my chromoly from, to build my new super dooper steel gear legs. They've got 1" X 1" X.120 chromoly, and most likely exactly what you are looking for. http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247 They're phone number is in the auction page. Best of luck, Mike Welch MkIII CX "under construction" Dana Hague wrote: I need a short piece of 1" square x.095 4130 tubing to replace one of my US wing U-joints... but nobody seems have thicker than .065. Or is it indeed 4130? Tried ACS, Wicks, Univair... can't find my Dillsburg stock list but they get grumpy about small orders. Any suggestions? -Dana -- CanYouFixTheSpaceBarOnMyKeyboard? --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: radiator shroud
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 08, 2008
Nice job, Bob. Your HVAC heritage is showing... sort of looks like streamlined window air conditioner :-). I hope to see it in person soon. -------- Thom Riddle N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Buddha Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181871#181871 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2008
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Firestar Project
Bill V.- Thanks for the history. It helps explain a lot of the odd things I've found, including the light weight. Between John H., you, and a couple of others on the List I'm gradually getting the whole story on the bird. Keep picking your memory. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firestar Project
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 08, 2008
This was originally posted in September 2007. This .pdf file is a short history of the Kolb line of aircraft. It might answer a few of your questions. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1605 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181934#181934 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbhistory_149.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: trim
Date: May 08, 2008
Hi, managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up. Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used temporarily to try the idea out. Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: tubing source?
Thanks Mike, I just ordered it (they didn't have .095 though their website lists it, but they did have the .120 which is close enough). Also ordered the parts to reinforce the aileron bellcrank. Seems like a good outfit to deal with. BTW, their direct website is http://shapirosupply.com . -Dana At 12:35 AM 5/8/2008, Mike Welch wrote: >Hey Dana, > >Check out this link from eBay. I'm pretty sure this is the outfit that I >got my chromoly from, to build my new super dooper steel gear >legs. They've got 1" X 1" X.120 chromoly, and most likely exactly what >you are looking for. > ><http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247>http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247 > >They're phone number is in the auction page. > >Best of luck, > >Mike Welch >MkIII CX "under construction" > > >Be a better friend, newshound, and > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -- Beam me up, Scotty, it ate my phaser. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: tubing source?
Thanks Mike, I just ordered it (they didn't have .095 though their website lists it, but they did have the .120 which is close enough). Also ordered the parts to reinforce the aileron bellcrank. Seems like a good outfit to deal with. BTW, their direct website is http://shapirosupply.com . -Dana At 12:35 AM 5/8/2008, Mike Welch wrote: >Hey Dana, > >Check out this link from eBay. I'm pretty sure this is the outfit that I >got my chromoly from, to build my new super dooper steel gear >legs. They've got 1" X 1" X.120 chromoly, and most likely exactly what >you are looking for. > ><http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247>http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247 > >They're phone number is in the auction page. > >Best of luck, > >Mike Welch >MkIII CX "under construction" > > >Be a better friend, newshound, and > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -- Beam me up, Scotty, it ate my phaser. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: trim
Date: May 08, 2008
Oy'e Mate!! Pat, If it were me I'd back up a little before I started adding a trim tab. That strikes as a "band-aid" fix for possibly a much more serious problem. Have you checked the wings' complete angle of incidence at several location...with a digital level? It might be a good idea to make a drawing of your wings, and take a digital reading at 4-5 precise locations for both wings. This should reveal "why" the heavy left wing!! (Be sure to level the fuselage to at least a tenth of a degree!) Before I started attaching stuff to the outside of the plane, I would insure the fuselage cage is PERFECT, with the wing attach points EXACTLY the same, and not off any between the two rear locations!! (most likely it isn't, but you sure would want to verify that!) By the way, if for some reason the wing rear attach fittings were off a little, I'd ask TNK to weld you a offset fitting. If you establish the fuselage is exactly straight and square, and the wings are rigged exactly the same, then double check the tailfeathers, to make sure they don't have some hidden twist in their mounting. I know you are a bright chap, and probably did all these things, but I'd recommend finding out WHY the port wing is so heavy, prior to adding a trim tab. Are these the same wings involved in your mishap? Did this "tweak" them? Your digital level should reveal the "gremlin". Just my thoughts. Tah! Mike Welch MkIII ________________________________ From: pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com Subject: Kolb-List: trim Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:26:18 +0100 Hi, managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up. Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used temporarily to try the idea out. Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today Pat _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 08, 2008
Pat Wow that is quite a bit out of trim. Please double check you have the wing incidence adjusters set correctly. Sounds like you have a incidence adjustor on each wing if not get one for the other side. Look down the wing leading edge, then the trailing edge from one of the wing tip towards the other. Are the wings aligned the same? Are the wings or a wing twisted? You may be out of alignment enough that you can drill another front wing attachment hole on one of the wings to get it within the limits of your incidence adjusters. You want to drill the hole far enough away from the original hole that you will have enough metal between the holes for adequate strength. Sounds like you will. Flying to MESA on Thursday and then driving to MV on Friday. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: pj.ladd To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: Kolb-List: trim Hi, managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up. Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used temporarily to try the idea out. Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 08, 2008
Patrick: Keep that up and you will catch up with me and my flight time in a MKIIIx. You did not mention is the X was trimmed up in yaw. If not, the X will fly one wing low. The latest X needed a normal sized MKIII rudder trim tab to get the aircraft trimmed up in yaw. Without it, it would fly one wing low. Who built your X. Very uncommon for a Kolb to have that much problem in roll, especially while hauling water in the right seat. john h mkIII managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 08, 2008
Rick N: Sounds like he may have his Kentucky Windage adjusters adjusted backwards. Probably would not be hard to do with a little help from Murphy. Never heard of a Kolb with that much adverse roll problem. john h mkIII - Departing Tuesday for MV, Lord willing and the creek don't rise. Hopefully, all these weather systems will move on through before I have to go. Its a long way to MV from hauck's holler, especially when there is a couple bad weather systems between here and there. Wow that is quite a bit out of trim. Rick Neilsen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank?
Date: May 08, 2008
> I was thinking about the wing twisting and wondered if a second wing strut from the trailing edge to a couple feet before the existing struts wing attach point would help. > > Perhaps the twisting is not really a big problem except in extreme conditions? > > I suppose the Kolb's wings have been twisting this way for some time > already with out any detrimental effect? > > -------- > Ray Ray: The problem was corrected by replacing the two internal tubes off the inboard rib with a collar. Really stiffened up the Kolb wing in twist. I would not attach a strut from the trailing edge if it were my airplane. The trailing edge is not a spar, nor is the leading edge. The wing twist when the ailerons are operated. The more aileron input the more wing twist. Wing twist cancels out aileron input. Yes, one could get into trouble in some situations. The Firestar was a great improvement over the US in this respect. I wouldn't bet my butt on your last statement above. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 08, 2008
Pat, Check to see that the offset joint is turned with the offset down on the left wing and that it is adjusted so that the trailing edge of the left wing is as low as possible. If you have an offset joint on the right wing it should be turned with the offset up. Your proposed aileron trim is backwards. If you want the left wing up the left aileron needs to go down. Steven MK3 912S Hi, managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up. Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used temporarily to try the idea out. Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank?
At 03:40 PM 5/8/2008, jb92563 wrote: >I was thinking about the wing twisting and wondered if a second wing strut >from the trailing edge to a couple feet before the existing struts wing >attach point would help. As John H. said, I don't think that'd be a good idea. Adding a collar seems to be the better fix: http://tinyurl.com/5krl9m >Perhaps the twisting is not really a big problem except in extreme conditions? > >I suppose the Kolb's wings have been twisting this way for some time >already with out any detrimental effect? Except for the fact that the US's roll rate is not breathtaking, I don't think it's a big deal. I haven't heard of any failures due to the twisting. Only once, flying in turbulent conditions that I wished I hadn't taken off into, did I actually see the effect. I may look into the collar if I have to open up the wings for any other reason. The aileron bellcrank fix I'll do as soon as the tubing arrives. -Dana -- Refuse Novocain... Transcend Dental Medication. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 08, 2008
John W. Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery category. A. #006 - This picture was shot May 2004, at the airstrip during an early morning sunrise. B. #003 - Taken May 2004 on the self drive tour. Bob Dalton wiserguy(at)comcast.net Kolbless 0 Hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 08, 2008
John W. Here is my submission of the final (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery category. A. # 010 - Taken May 2004 on the self drive tour. B. #2300 - Taken May 2004 on the self drive tour. Bob Dalton wiserguy(at)comcast.net Kolbless 0 Hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 08, 2008
John W. Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for Scenery with Airplane category. Bob Dalton wiserguy(at)comcast.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 08, 2008
John W. Here is my submission of the final (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery from Airplane category. Bob Dalton wiserguy(at)comcast.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 08, 2008
John W. Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery with Kolbers category. a. #125 - In Memory of Dave Pelletier, taken May 2004. b. #04 - My first ride in a Kolb with a great Pilot, Boyd Young, May 2004. Bob Dalton wiserguy(at)comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Williamson Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest The Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest submission deadline is just a week away. All photos submitted before 2400 hours, 12 May 2008 will be considered. Results of the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D will be announced on the Monument Valley Airport flightline Friday, 16 May 2008 at 1700 hours. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1595 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181339#181339 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 08, 2008
John W. Guys, last 2 sorry I know I over did it, but I love this place. a. #04 - John H. and Larry C. May 2004 b. #49 - Dave Pelletier and wife, May 2004 Bob Dalton wiserguy(at)comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Williamson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest All possible Contestants: The hired Judges from EAA Chapter 34 have asked that a few things be clarified and modified for the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D. 1. Submit your photo from past Monument Valley trips to be judged here for the awards of "Best MV Kolb Photo". Three categories have been established: Scenery, Scenery with Airplane and Scenery with Kolbers. Winners will be from each category. If you attended one of our Gatherings at MV, then you are a Kolber. 2. Photos have to be posted in this thread as a reply. 3. Include a short description of the photo. 4. Photos have to have been taken by the submitter or with their permission. 5. You can submit more than one photo to be judged in each of the 3 categories 6. Photos have to have been taken by someone flying at MV or building a Kolb or a Kolber or a family member of a Kolber. 7. Submit photos that are at least 600 pixels wide but not more than 2000 pixels wide. Rules will be strictly adhered to in order for the winners to be declared. Photos submitted before this post to another Topic have been carried over and will be judged. All photos submitted before 2400 hours, 12 May 2008 will be considered. Results of the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D will be announced on the Monument Valley Airport flightline Friday, 16 May 2008 at 1700 hours. The bar has been set very high for this Contest folks, so post your best and good luck. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1595 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178277#178277 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Key <dhkey(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
Date: May 08, 2008
The airplane wing in the second photo looks like someones plane I know.> Fr om: wiserguy(at)comcast.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-Li st: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest> Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:41:08 -0700> > John W.> > Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for Scenery with> Airplane category.> > Bob Dalton> wiserguy(at)comcast.net> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2008
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
In the first photo - the towering rock formation on the right looks like an Indian tribal head wear - or possibly a turkey depending upon how you look at it. Interesting. jerb At 07:41 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote: >John W. > >Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for Scenery with >Airplane category. > >Bob Dalton >wiserguy(at)comcast.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 09, 2008
Thanks Steve, I will check. Sorry about the boo boo., can`t think things through as well as I once did. Slapped wrist. I bet you are not the only one to catch me out. Oh the shame, the humiliatiion. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Q
Date: May 09, 2008
, you should be able to CORRECT the fault. >> I could probably do that with a 200 lb. plus person in the passenger seat. Didn`t have this trouble with the Challenger where the passenger sits behind the pilot as God intended. Cheers Patl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 09, 2008
Hi John <> I should live so long. <> String stays pretty much in the middle so I don`t think it is that. I have no trim tab on the rudder and can`t remember one on the plans. I shall have to check. The rebuild was done by a professional. Like you we have to construct more than 50% of the plane but that rule doesn`t apply to repairs. The guy has a good reputation and the work I saw before it was covered seemed good. Not that I know much about metalwork. I grew up in a Timber and Builders Merchnts so I am more at home with wood. Good luck on the way to MV Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 09, 2008
back up a little before I started adding a trim tab. >> Hi Mike, thanks for your thoughts. I will do some checking. Someone else has pointed out that the rear wing fittings are slightly different and should be fitted one way up on one wing and `upside down` on the other. The port wing is the one that was rebuilt after the crunch but the builder has a top class reputation and I would not expect him to build a cranky wing. Still, even Homer nods. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 09, 2008
Wow that is quite a bit out of trim>> Hi Rick, thanks for the advice. The adjusters look like the first step. Advice is pouring in. What a great list. Enjoy MV. Wish I could make it again this year Cheers and thanks Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 09, 2008
I currently have a homely looking tab on the right wing, I plan on replacing it with a longer. narrower one for esthetic reasons. Haven't rushed it because it flies hands-off.>> Hi Robert, What size is your tab and what size are you thinking of going to. What have you made it from. Metal,. perspex? How is it fixed and to what. Aileron trailing edge is pretty thin to take a rivet. It has been pointed out to me that I got the `push-pull` direction wrong . Probably a whole new thread there! Thanks Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: trim
At 06:31 AM 5/9/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >What size is your tab and what size are you thinking of going to. What >have you made it from. Metal,. perspex? How is it fixed and to what. >Aileron trailing edge is pretty thin to take a rivet. Pat, I put trim tabs on the elevator of my US using .025 aluminum (Alclad) and I held them on with #4-40 screws tapped into the trailing edge tube... figuring I could easily remove them or also easily drill them out and use 1/8" rivets if necessary for a more permanent attachment, but so far it hasn't been necessary, they're holding fine. -Dana -- Campaigns to bearproof all garbage containers in some national parka have been difficult, because as one biologist put it, "There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence levels of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank?
Dana, There is a solution to the problem of slow roll rate and wing twist. Shorten the chord of the aileron. This will reduce aileron dynamic loading so that ailerons can be more easily displaced. And at the same time it reduces the amount of twisting moment which the aileron subjects the wing for a given aileron tip displacement. This in turn removes significant load from the aileron control mechanism. I built one of the early FireFlys and after flying it a few hours, I reduced the aileron chord to nine inches. As a result, I have a FireFly that is very light on the controls and it flys like a P-51 if you keep the speed up. No trouble flying in the middle of the day or during windy conditions, and I can fly it cross country in the middle of the day with out a sore shoulder. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank?
At 08:14 AM 5/9/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote: >There is a solution to the problem of slow roll rate and wing twist. >Shorten the chord of the aileron. This will reduce aileron dynamic loading >so that ailerons can be more easily displaced. And at the same time it >reduces the amount of twisting moment which the aileron subjects the wing >for a given aileron tip displacement. This in turn removes significant load >from the aileron control mechanism... Shortening the aileron chord would certainly reduce control forces, but it won't increase the roll rate for a given aileron deflection. It takes a certain amount of aerodynamic force to cause a certain roll rate; with less aileron you need more deflection to achieve that same force. I don't have a problem with the stick force. The real solution, as John H. and others have pointed out, is to reinforce the wing spar attachment. I'm currently not up for a project as large as rebuilding the ailerons. If I was, I think I'd leave the chord alone but split them, and make the inner half into flaps... but that's a project for another year. -Dana -- Campaigns to bearproof all garbage containers in some national parka have been difficult, because as one biologist put it, "There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence levels of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 09, 2008
Me too with the screws. I used little dome head stainless. I figured I could easily take it off if it wasn't right. I bent a little "L" at the attach area and then bent that to fit the aileron Over a piece of round tube. It has a little wiggle but hasn't fallen off yet. The shape is approx. 6" X 2" and when I make a new one it will be 10" X 1 1/2" I will also run a bead of silicone behind it. Wings are still wrapped in an old pool cover up in the shed so those numbers are from memory. BB On 9, May 2008, at 6:55 AM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 06:31 AM 5/9/2008, pj.ladd wrote: > >> What size is your tab and what size are you thinking of going to. >> What have you made it from. Metal,. perspex? How is it fixed and >> to what. Aileron trailing edge is pretty thin to take a rivet. > > Pat, I put trim tabs on the elevator of my US using .025 aluminum > (Alclad) and I held them on with #4-40 screws tapped into the > trailing edge tube... figuring I could easily remove them or also > easily drill them out and use 1/8" rivets if necessary for a more > permanent attachment, but so far it hasn't been necessary, they're > holding fine. > > -Dana > -- > Campaigns to bearproof all garbage containers in some national > parka have been difficult, because as one biologist put it, "There > is a considerable overlap between the intelligence levels of the > smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Q
Date: May 09, 2008
Patrick: Recommend youj sell your Kolb and buy another Challenger. john h mkIII Didn`t have this trouble with the Challenger where the passenger sits behind the pilot as God intended. Patl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 09, 2008
Patrick: A MKIIIx with no adverse yaw problem is one of a kind. I know of no other that does not fly without a rudder trim tab. In fact, all my Kolbs, US, FS, and MKIII, required rudder trim tabs or a very strong foot. john h mkIII <> String stays pretty much in the middle so I don`t think it is that. I have no trim tab on the rudder and can`t remember one on the plans. I shall have to check. Good luck on the way to MV Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: For Sale - Skyforce Skymap IIIC - NEW - Latest Database
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From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: trim
Date: May 09, 2008
Hi, managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. Just to make things crystal clear in my mind,,, you are saying it rolls to the left if you let go of the stick? I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up. If the trim tab pushes the s=92board/right aileron down and the port/left aileron up, that will cause it to roll to the left even worse Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn=92t seem much there to pop a rivet in. I put 2 or 3 pop rivits into the trailing edge, and one on each rib, at the forward part of the tab. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used temporarily to try the idea out. Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? . if the aircraft rolls left (hands off) then you want the trim tab to force the left/port aileron down and the right/s=92board aileron up depending on the force required to keep it straight and level, will dictate the amount of trim tab required. My trim tab fits between two ribs on the aileron, total length is about 4 inches front to back, with a bend at the center, with the front half laid flat on a table, the trailing edge is about =BD inch off the table. That should give you some idea on the amount of bend required. If the plane roles to the left you would be best served by placing the trim tab at the bottom center of the right aileron with the bend pointing down. Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today Pat Before I put on a tab, I would adjust the incidence of the wing so that when in straight and level flight, both of the ailerons lined up with the flaps. Then remove the roll with the trim tab. When I first built my MKIII rolled to the right, but when in straight and level flight the ailerons were straight with the flaps, I changed the incidence of the wings to eliminate the stick pressure but then the ailerons in relation to the flaps were no longer in a straight line. So I took the incidence changes back out of the wings and installed the trip tab, it now flies straight with no stick pressure and the entire training edge lines up nicely while in flight. Boyd Young Kolb MKIII C Brigham City Ut. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: trim
Date: May 09, 2008
Thanks everyone for your suggestions regarding my trim problem. Just returned from my field and Steve Green seems to have hit the nail on the head with his suggestion that the offset joint connecting the trailing edge to the cage was upside down.. They are both the wrong way round. The worst possible combination. Shall have to leave the work until tomorrow as I shall need another pair of hands to support the wing. Pity as it is a quiet evening, warm, no wind and a flight would have been nice. There isa bit of thundercloud building, white but very hard edged so it will probably rain in the next few hours. Thanks again to everyone on this great list. I will report back on the success or otherwise of the corrective work. Fingers crossed. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Q
Date: May 09, 2008
Recommend youj sell your Kolb and buy another Challenger.>> With VG`s fitted.? Pat :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Red Bull at Monument Valley
Date: May 09, 2008
From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Kolb Friends - Here's a short video I discovered recently. This is what was happening the week before our 5th annual Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley, last year. It is also the reason why the Goulding's runway got new pavement, and why they painted "RB" on the approach end of runway 35. (Instead of "35.") HYPERLINK "http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2007-7-6-red_bull-hitt ing-pylon.MOV" http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2007-7-6-red_bull-hitti ng-pylon.MOV Dennis Kirby Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Red Bull at Monument Valley
Date: May 09, 2008
> It is also the reason why the Goulding's runway got new pavement, and > why they painted "RB" on the approach end of runway 35. (Instead of > "35.") > > Dennis Kirby Dennis K: MV, UT25, is 16/34. I didn't pay much attention to the RB painted on the runway so can not remember if it was on 16 or 34, or both. I mention this only for clarification. If I don't I am apt to remember the last thing I saw written on the MV runway and think it is 17/35. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Red Bull at Monument Valley
Date: May 09, 2008
This HAS to be another Kirby... (click on air race) http://www.redbullcopilot.com/ On 9, May 2008, at 3:04 PM, Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL wrote: > AL" > > > Kolb Friends - > > Here's a short video I discovered recently. > This is what was happening the week before our 5th annual Kolb > Gathering > at Monument Valley, last year. > It is also the reason why the Goulding's runway got new pavement, and > why they painted "RB" on the approach end of runway 35. (Instead of > "35.") > > HYPERLINK > "http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2007-7-6-red_bull- > hitt > ing-pylon.MOV" > http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2007-7-6-red_bull- > hitti > ng-pylon.MOV > > Dennis Kirby > Cedar Crest, NM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: For Sale - RMI uEncoder - NEW - Assembled
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Date: May 09, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank?
> > >Shortening the aileron chord would certainly reduce control forces, but it >won't increase the roll rate for a given aileron deflection. It takes a >certain amount of aerodynamic force to cause a certain roll rate; with less >aileron you need more deflection to achieve that same force. I don't have >a problem with the stick force. The real solution, as John H. and others >have pointed out, is to reinforce the wing spar attachment. > Dana, You are correct in that a shorter chord aileron will not provide the same roll rate as a longer chord aileron for the same angular displacement. If one cuts the aileron chord in half, you have to about double the displacement to get the same change in lift for the same air speed. In doing this the center of pressure of the short chord aileron will be at one-fourth as apposed to one-half the chord for the full chord aileron. If one flys both ailerons at the same speed the full aileron dynamic load will be 1.2 times that of the short aileron. This means the bell crank torque required to hold the full aileron in position will be 2.4 times that of the half chord aileron. All of the above would be true if the wing was perfectly stiff. But in reality, the tail of the wing kicks up and lowers the relative AOA from what it should be. And so one will see a slower roll rate from the full aileron than the half chord aileron. If you want to reduce wing warping use shorter chord ailerons with greater displacement. Adding a steel root rib as used in the FireFly does nothing for the main spar attachment point but it will help to transfer some of the twist load to the wing rear attachment point. But it will not completely stiffen the whole wing. High roll rates at speed will still warp or twist the wing. Fly safe Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank?
At 08:35 PM 5/9/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote: >If one cuts the aileron chord in half, you have to about double the >displacement to get the same change in lift for the same air speed. In >doing this the center of pressure of the short chord aileron will be at >one-fourth as apposed to one-half the chord for the full chord aileron. OK, I'll buy that. Not sure it's really linear but let's go with it. >If one flys both ailerons at the same speed the full aileron dynamic load >will >be 1.2 times that of the short aileron. This means the bell crank torque >required to hold the full aileron in position will be 2.4 times that of the >half chord aileron. Where do you get the 1.2 from... and thus the 2.4? If you have to move the aileron twice as far to get the same effect (same aerodynamic force), but the moment arm to the center of pressure is halved, then the torque applied to the aileron is also halved. However, you have to move the stick twice as far (not possible on the US, at least not on mine). To get the same control authority for a given stick deflection, then you have to adjust the control linkage to get double the aileron movement for the same stick deflection, which multiplies the torque by a factor of two... net result, same stick force. >All of the above would be true if the wing was perfectly stiff. But in >reality, the tail of the wing kicks up and lowers the relative AOA from what >it should be. And so one will see a slower roll rate from the full aileron >than the half chord aileron. If you want to reduce wing warping use shorter >chord ailerons with greater displacement. I don't see that at all. If the rolling force (regardless of the aileron size) is the same, then the amount of twist it causes in the wing should be the same. >Adding a steel root rib as used in the FireFly does nothing for the main >spar attachment point but it will help to transfer some of the twist load to >the wing rear attachment point. But it will not completely stiffen the >whole wing. High roll rates at speed will still warp or twist the wing. The modification suggested for the US is not a steel root rib (which it already has), but a collar to reinforce the main spar attachment to the root rib, keep the spar tube round, and keep the spar from twisting... though I'm not convinced how the modification, as I understand it, would help that much. -Dana -- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank?
Date: May 09, 2008
> All of the above would be true if the wing was perfectly stiff. But in > reality, the tail of the wing kicks up and lowers the relative AOA from > what > it should be. And so one will see a slower roll rate from the full > aileron > than the half chord aileron. If you want to reduce wing warping use > shorter > chord ailerons with greater displacement. > > Adding a steel root rib as used in the FireFly does nothing for the main > spar attachment point but it will help to transfer some of the twist load > to > the wing rear attachment point. But it will not completely stiffen the > whole wing. High roll rates at speed will still warp or twist the wing. > > Fly safe > > Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack H: I have a feeling you don't know what you are talking about. You say, "But in reality, the tail of the wing kicks up and lowers the relative AOA from what it should be." How do you know this is reality? Have you been there and done that? I believe I tried previously to explain what actually happens to the early model US wing when the ailerons are actuated. The entire wing twist with the main spar because the main spare "oil cans". The two internal tubes butt welded to the inboard rib, then riveted to the inside of themain spar, top and bottom, can not keep the main spar in its original round shape. This effectively cancels out all the aileron input. No, it does not happen as the result of docile control input. One has to be a bit agressive to twist the wing. Old Kolb discovered there was a better way to attach the main spar to the inboard rib, thus, the 4130 ring. Some models the ring slipped inside the main spar and some models the spar slipped inside the ring. My FS had the ring and it fixed the problem. No more wing twist when the ailerons were actuated. To the best of my knowledge, all the subsequent model Kolbs, after the early US, do not suffer from wing twist. The problem was solved. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: Red Bull at Monument Valley
Date: May 10, 2008
The information about the runway numbering I took out of the " Utah State Airport Directory" published by 'Utah State' "Division of Aeronautical Operations" it is clearly marked 16/34. crossed checked airnav.com to confirm. Boyd Young Kolb MKIII C Brigham City Utah 500 + hours and counting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. MV, UT25, is 16/34. I didn't pay much attention to the RB painted on the runway so can not remember if it was on 16 or 34, or both. I mention this only for clarification. If I don't I am apt to remember the last thing I saw written on the MV runway and think it is 17/35. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Red Bull at Monument Valley
Date: May 10, 2008
Boyd Y: Two more days and a "wake up" and I am on my way to check out the runway headings for myself. This will be the first chance to get some good fuel burn numbers since I raised the fuel needles a notch and repitched the Warp Drive Prop. I am sitting on the fence, whether to put the needles back in their stock position, middle slot, to see if it will run ok, or leave them on the rich side. The reason I raised them was lean condition in stock position last winter, discovered when making mag check at 4000 rpm. One side would drop beyond limits. When I pulled on the enricher at 4000, rpm would increase 200 to 300. Primary concern is excessive fuel burn. However, the 912ULS is running like a clock. I am happy with the performance. I think I will leave it alone, get a good fuel burn check on the flight to MV, then make a decision on what to do. Another factor to change is the altitudes we will be working in once in West Texas and beyond. 100LL is 4.24 a gal at Wetumpka Airport, a few cents more than 93 oct laced with 10% alcohol. I have decided not to try and save a few dollars burning alcohol and top off at the airport on the way out of town next Tue morning. I'll carry three qts of Marvel Mystery Oil to help purge some of the lead. That's enough for 240 to 300 gals, which about what I will burn this trip. john h mkIII > The information about the runway numbering I took out of the " Utah State > Airport Directory" published by 'Utah State' "Division of Aeronautical > Operations" it is clearly marked 16/34. crossed checked airnav.com to > confirm. > > Boyd Young ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 10, 2008
I changed the incidence of the wings to eliminate the stick pressure but then the ailerons in relation to the flaps were no longer in a straight line>> Hi Boyd, Haven`t been able to get the extra pair of hands I need to do the wing attachment change and it will have to wait to Monday now. Pity as today has been absolutely windless, with a reasonable cloudbase increasing as the day went on. Tonight we have had the first BBQ of the summer. The evening is perfectly quiet, the birds singing so I have consoled myself with curried chicken on the barbie and a rather nice Pinot Grigio. I had realised that changing the wing attachments would slightly alter the aileron settings but I will cross that bridge when I come to it. Lets see how it flies next week. The Wx is good for the next few days. Thanks for your input. I have printed it out and added it to the many other suggestions from the list. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2008
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Firestar project
John W.- Thanks. At this point, I think the plane is an Original Firestar, but with chopped wings to meet 103 specs. Maybe, as somebody indicated, designed this way. The original wingspan was about 25' 4". I added the later KX wings. At least I think they're KX. Nobody's come up with documentation for the short main tube yet. I will measure the original main spar tube- I'm not sure if it's 5" or 6". I also have a serial number on the engine, but that will have to wait for a trip to the airport. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2008
From: "Dan G." <azfirestar(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions
Thanks everyone for the info. Another question - what do they have for tie downs at MV? Are there plenty of anchors in the ground or do I need to bring something? Dan G. 503 F2 Tucson AZ boyd wrote: > If I remember correctly, CTAF is 122.9 While technically you need to > ask first, no one does, and we have never been questioned. The entire > runway is paved now :( , and they are getting used to traffic coming > and going with tourist spending money. Advise? Fly safe, meet new > friends, and have a wonderful time. > > Dave R. > > > > -------- > > Dave Rains > > N8086T > > > > Added note. > > > > When landing runway 16 it will be up hill, the south end of the > runway is about 150 ft higher than the north end. > > Hazard - 800' agl Mesa - south of the runway. > > <>Pattern Altitude 6000 ft mls 800 ft agl. <> > The airport is used by commercial tour operators, twin otters, > Cessna caravans, and others,,, it can get busy at times. Be > carefull. > > > > Boyd Young > > Kolb MKIIIC > > Brigham City Ut. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions
Date: May 11, 2008
Dan G: Tie downs cables are installed at Goudings. Always a good idea to have your own tie downs that will work in dirt and rock, and a way to get them in the ground. Never know when you might have to tie down your airplane enroute. john h mkIII Thanks everyone for the info. Another question - what do they have for tie downs at MV? Are there plenty of anchors in the ground or do I need to bring something? Dan G. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions
Date: May 11, 2008
Gang: I forgot to mention, you will need to bring your own ropes to tie to the cables at Gouldings. john h mkIII Tie downs cables are installed at Goudings. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions
Date: May 11, 2008
There are 2 long cables anchored into the ground that you can tie YOUR tie down ropes to. One year when we arrived I tried to twist some tie downs in with no luck. they had just re done the tie down area and had not re installed the cables,, when they saw all the planes arriving,,, they quickly got the cables re installed. Boyd Young Kolb MkIII C 500 + hours and counting Brigham City Utah. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Thanks everyone for the info. Another question - what do they have for tie downs at MV? Are there plenty of anchors in the ground or do I need to bring something? Dan G. 503 F2 Tucson AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
Strange behavior from my engine today... Today I decided, for the first time since I've owned it, to fly my UltraStar to another airport about 10 miles away. Previously all my flights have been in the close vicinity of my home field. Anyway, 'bout 10-15 minutes into the flight, cruising at 5700 rpm and 3000', I lost power. It didn't actually quit; it was more like it was just throttled back suddenly. My hand at the moment wasn't on the throttle but on my lap, keeping warm. Without thinking to check where the throttle was, I reached down and pushed it forward, and I instantly had full power again. Temps were normal. My first thought was that the throttle friction lock had slipped, but to be safe I headed back home. The engine continued to run normally, so I just flew around for another 5 minutes or so over the airport, letting the plane slowly climb to about 3500', then reduced power to about 3000 rpm to descend at cruise airspeed. After a minute or two of this, the engine just... quit. I wasn't too alarmed as I was right over the airport, so I tried to restart. Several pulls and nothing, then a couple shots of prime, and finally it caught and started at full throttle, but with no power. Too much prime, perhaps, as jockeying the throttle a few times brought it back to normal power, and I had no further trouble, though I landed as soon as possible. On the ground, the engine ran fine at all throttle settings from idle to WOT. Killed the ignition at 5500 and checked the plugs; I would say they were too light except that they were brand new before this flight. Wiggled the wires while running, no hint of trouble there. This is the ULII-02 engine, low hours, Mikuni carb, jetted (310 main jet) per manufacturer's specs for sea level (where my airport is) at 40-60F (temps today were around 60), and the plug color previously indicated the specs are appropriate. Running 93 octane auto gas (switched from 100LL a few weeks ago). The new plugs were the only change since the last flight (the old plugs were fine but I wanted to replace them with solid terminal plugs). The only other odd thing was the plugs were slightly too loose (when I installed them after the last flight I was using a different wrench and didn't tighten them enough), but they weren't _loose_, just not properly torqued. The only other odd thing I noticed (or perhaps not odd, just never noticed before) is that in flight (but not on the ground) it didn't want to seem to hold exactly 3000 rpm, and the EGT fluctuated a bit at that rpm. At this point I'm a bit nervous... and open to ideas. -Dana -- I no longer need to punish, deceive or compromise myself. Unless, of course, I want to stay employed. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: May 11, 2008
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
In a message dated 5/11/2008 4:35:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, d-m-hague(at)comcast.net writes: At this point I'm a bit nervous... and open to ideas. -Dana -- Were the EGTS running high while you were coasting down at 3000 rpm? Any Ethanol in the gas? Ethanol does cause the engine to run leaner than plain gas. Did it load up possibly? Let us know what you come up with! Ed FF#62 **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: fuel
Date: May 11, 2008
On May 11, 2008, at 5:54 PM, robert bean wrote: > > You could buy oil company stock too. Nah, What are you guys thinking? Buy a farm, raise corn ,,,,,,,,, bonus free runway with hanger, park tractor under old tree. no tie-downs neccessary. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: fuel
At 05:54 PM 5/11/2008, robert bean wrote: >ethanol bad? I agree >oil companies bad? wrong Politicians bad. -Dana -- Society is like a stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you get a lot of scum on top. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Length of the MXIII
From: "Dwight" <haydend(at)charter.net>
Date: May 11, 2008
planecrazzzy wrote: > In this case.... Length " doesn't " matter... > . > . > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > . > . > . Tell that to your girlfriend ;^) Seriously, how much tongue weight is on your trailer with the plane in place? Looking at the bottom picture, it sure looks like most of the weight is way back and could make the trailer unstable, wagging at speed. How does it tow? Thanks, Dwight Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182578#182578 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
At 05:48 PM 5/11/2008, DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote: > > Were the EGTS running high while you were coasting down at > 3000 rpm? Any Ethanol in the gas? Ethanol does cause the engine to run > leaner than plain gas. Did it load up possibly? Let us know what you > come up with! I didn't look that I can recall, but I don't think so... typically the EGT drops right down as soon as I reduce the throttle below cruise. There _is_ ethanol (probably 10%) in the gas, but the air temp (almost warm enough to use the next smaller jet) and the 3500' altitude makes me thing it would be rich, if anything. Loading up is a possibility, but it took prime to restart it. A poster on another list suggested carb ice, and the temp/dewpoint supports that, but at cruise that would make for a gradual rpm drop, not sudden as I experienced... and the last time I concluded a carb ice problem I was wrong (and these engines / carbs aren't terribly prone to icing anyway). Also the quick recovery in the first case, and the restart in the second case, make me not think that's it... but I could be wrong. -Dana -- Society is like a stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you get a lot of scum on top. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
Date: May 11, 2008
Dana: If it were my Cuyuna and US, I would first ascertain that the throttle lever had enough friction and had not vibrated towards the closed position. If throttle position was not the culprit, I'd check to make sure the engine was not trying to seize. Two strokes are sneaky. They'll set a pilot up to bust his ass later down the road. I know that from experience. I would not suspect carb problems. How would the carb change unless you changed it? Ignition is CDI and not adjustable. A though though. Doesn't the Cuyuna CDI work just opposite from the Rotax? Trying to remember, but one of them must be grounded to run. I believe it is the Cuyuna. If you did not have a good ground, you may have been having some ignition problems. I'm brain storming, for what it is worth. Been a long time since I had a two stroke drive me nuts. Easy to forget a lot of stuff. Had a ULII02 that failed a PTO crank bearing. Gave very similar symptoms as yours right up until the crank shaft locked up. john h mkIII Also the quick recovery in the first case, and the restart in the second case, make me not think that's it... but I could be wrong. -Dana ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
At 07:32 PM 5/11/2008, John Hauck wrote: > >If it were my Cuyuna and US, I would first ascertain that the throttle >lever had enough friction and had not vibrated towards the closed position. That was my first thought, but it never happened before, and it seemed normal afterwards. And it definitely wasn't the problem the second time. >I would not suspect carb problems. How would the carb change unless you >changed it? I don't suspect that either; I only mentioned jetting to paint a full picture. >Doesn't the Cuyuna CDI work just opposite from the Rotax? Trying to >remember, but one of them must be grounded to run. I believe it is the >Cuyuna. If you did not have a good ground, you may have been having some >ignition problems. Correct, the Cuyuna must be grounded to run. Ignition problem would explain the second time (when it actually quit), but not the drop in rpm the first time. >Had a ULII02 that failed a PTO crank bearing. Gave very similar symptoms >as yours right up until the crank shaft locked up. Really? Intermittent failure and easy restart? How would you check it? Come to think of it, there _was_ a funny sound as I climbed out on my first takeoff, but it went away after I throttled back to cruise power. I landed anyway, found nothing wrong, but some of the prop leading edge tape was loose so I trimmed it back... and I didn't hear the noise after that, so I took off again. It was a light sound, like something fluttering in the wind, or a loose muffler spring (it wasn't but I'm trying to describe it), or perhaps even ignition noise in my headset. -Dana -- If email had been around before the telephone was invented, people would have said, "Hey, forget email! With this new telephone invention I can actually talk to people!" ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
From: "The BaronVonEvil" <grageda(at)innw.net>
Date: May 11, 2008
Hi Dana, You might want to check the fuel filters for dirt. Also check your fuel tank pickups and the inside of the tanks themselves. Pull the carburetor bowl and check it for dirt as well. Dirt may be choking off the fuel flow as fuel is being pulled to the engine by the fuel pump. Dirt will sometime collect at the pickups as fuel is flowing and drift away from the pickups once the fuel flow has ceased. You should also do a compression check of the engine to help verify it is okay. A small LED light through the spark hole can be used to inspect the condition of the cylinder walls with the pistons at bottom dead center. It sounds like a fuel starvation issue to me. Usually when an ignition system quits it stays dead until the cause is remedied. Just My Two Cents, Carlos G Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182604#182604 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
From: "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com>
Date: May 11, 2008
Dana, you can take the exhaust manifold off and check the rings and cylinders. Look for any scuffing and stuck rings. The engine can run on one piston ring, but it will lack power. If you don't find anything, run it for a full 10 minutes tied on the ground. An easy way to do this with an auto tow rope. Wrap one end around the front wheel of your car and the ground, and the other end wrapped around the tailwheel assembly. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 21 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 0 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182605#182605 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2008
From: Mike Welch <airspeedx3(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Length of the MXIII
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Date: May 11, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
At 09:11 PM 5/11/2008, Ralph B wrote: >Dana, you can take the exhaust manifold off and check the rings and >cylinders. Look for any scuffing and stuck rings. The engine can run on >one piston ring, but it will lack power. Didn't have partial power, it just quit... then restarted and run at full power. But it is something to check if I don't find anything else. >If you don't find anything, run it for a full 10 minutes tied on the >ground. An easy way to do this with an auto tow rope. Wrap one end around >the front wheel of your car and the ground, and the other end wrapped >around the tailwheel assembly. Ran it afterwards for several minutes at WOT (chocks alone will hold it). No problems in that time. -Dana -- "Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
At 09:08 PM 5/11/2008, The BaronVonEvil wrote: >You might want to check the fuel filters for dirt. Also check your fuel >tank pickups and the inside of the tanks themselves. Pull the carburetor >bowl and check it for dirt as well. The filter (clear glass) is clean, but I'll check the bowl. >Dirt may be choking off the fuel flow as fuel is being pulled to the >engine by the fuel pump. Dirt will sometime collect at the pickups as >fuel is flowing and drift away from the pickups once the fuel flow has ceased. Possible but doubtful, as I have two interconnected tanks, and two independent pickups tee'd together feeding the engine. >You should also do a compression check of the engine to help verify it is >okay. A small LED light through the spark hole can be used to inspect >the condition of the cylinder walls with the pistons at bottom dead center. > >It sounds like a fuel starvation issue to me. Usually when an ignition >system quits it stays dead until the cause is remedied. A major mechanical engine problem doesn't seem to fit the symptoms. A fuel problem seems more likely... the fuel pump is another thing I need to look at. -Dana -- "Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
From: "Dwight" <haydend(at)charter.net>
Date: May 11, 2008
[quote="The BaronVonEvil"]Hi Dana, You might want to check the fuel filters for dirt. Also check your fuel tank pickups and the inside of the tanks themselves. Pull the carburetor bowl and check it for dirt as well. Dirt may be choking off the fuel flow as fuel is being pulled to the engine by the fuel pump. >> agreed- I would consider pulling the 90's and tee's off of your fuel system and examining them real close. I've seen the metal 90's that push in the grommet plug up really bad from rust and crud. Same goes for the tees. I've also seen a old grommet break a pc off and this lodge in the fitting. If you have an old fuel system, and have recently started using ethanol this can start stuff breaking loose and plugging fittings etc. You might also consider the fuel pump if it is getting old. Just my .02 hope you get it figured out soon. Dwight Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182632#182632 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 12, 2008
Ralph B wrote: > Dana, you can take the exhaust manifold off and check the rings and cylinders. Look for any scuffing and stuck rings. The engine can run on one piston ring, but it will lack power. > > If you don't find anything, run it for a full 10 minutes tied on the ground. An easy way to do this is with an auto tow rope. Wrap one end around the front wheel of your car and the ground, and the other end wrapped around the tailwheel assembly. > > Ralph I agree with this recommendation. Had the same symptoms with a Rotax. The engine was seizing, and as soon as it cooled down for a few seconds would start again. I would certainly make sure you pull the manifold and look inside. Dave -------- Dave Rains N8086T Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182676#182676 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mothers Day
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
Date: May 12, 2008
I know you had to mean this as a joke, but I will say "Thank you Mike and Jaz!" Am I the only Mother on this forum? -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182677#182677 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mothers Day
Date: May 12, 2008
> Am I the only Mother on this forum? > > -------- > Cristal Cristal: There's a bunch of us old mothers on the Kolb List. Got my gear packed and ready to load the MKIII for an early departure West in the morning if I can get out of bed. Going to be very windy tomorrow and Wed, but will be in my favor. Thursday will have some headwinds from Los Lunas, NM, to Monument Valley. I can tolerate high wind when it is pushing me, but don't do well with it on my nose. See all you Kolbers this weekend. Ready to stretch my wings and fly............. john h mkIII - 2,568.5 hours 912ULS - 190.0 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mothers Day
Date: May 12, 2008
> mkIII - 2,568.5 hours > 912ULS - 190.0 hours Forgot to add the two numbers together. 2,568.5 hours was time on the airframe when I replaced the 912ULS. Miss P'fer (P fer plane) now has 2,758.5 hours since she was first flown March 1992. Hope I can get another 2,758.5 hours out of her. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mothers Day
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
Date: May 12, 2008
Gosh thanks Mike Welch. [Embarassed] I've certainly had a lot of help and encouragement from lots of other people (including my husband...he doesn't fly but he certainly has helped and encouraged me). I really appreciate the flight training I received from Jim Kmet. He took the time out of his busy schedule to train this newbie and trusted me to fly and land his plane. I really appreciate that! Hope you have a great flight to MV John. Wish I could go! Retirement is a long ways away for me yet. -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182710#182710 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2008
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Mothers Day
At 10:04 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote: >"cristalclear13" > >I know you had to mean this as a joke, but I >will say "Thank you Mike and Jaz!" > >Am I the only Mother on this forum? > >-------- >Cristal More like Wendy and the "Lost Boys" I suspect. Sometimes we are in dire need of Wendy =AD the perfect counterbalance to Peter and the Lost Boys' impulsive and childish behavior. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2008
From: by0ung(at)brigham.net
Subject: RE: Red Bull at Monument Valley
i dont think the numbers have been painted... well we will see by the end of the week.... guess i am looking for the RB when i arrive....anything other than that would be a unexpected. boyd -----Original message----- From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil > All - > > Hauck and Boyd are correct, regarding runway orientation at Monument > Valley. > My bad for calling it "35" earlier. > Glad to hear they finally put real numbers on the runway this year, to > replace the "RB" that was painted there last year. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2008
From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: trim
John, My MK-3 also has a big trim tab.Is it possible to off-set the vertical stabilizer a little to correct some of it?I was afraid to bend the tubing,and I couldn't think of another way to try.A lot of the yaw goes away when I power down.There is enough weight from the tab back there to start the rudder oscillating, with no tension on the pedals.Took the tab off and the wiggle stopped but it flew sideways.Tried a spring & cable tension adjustment lever but never found the right combination.Maybe need to aim the engine in a different direction.G Aman MK-3 C 2200 Jabiru ----- Original Message ---- From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Friday, May 9, 2008 8:54:39 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Patrick: A MKIIIx with no adverse yaw problem is one of a kind. I know of no other that does not fly without a rudder trim tab. In fact, all my Kolbs, US, FS, and MKIII, required rudder trim tabs or a very strong foot. john h mkIII <> String stays pretty much in the middle so I don`t think it is that. I have no trim tab on the rudder and can`t remember one on the plans. I shall have to check. Good luck on the way to MV Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 12, 2008
Gary: I did most of that testing over the years. The way my mkIII is rigged today is the result of a lot of other tests that proved not to solve any problems. I tried to wait out old Kolb to off set the leading edge of the vertical stab on their mkIII but they never did anything. So.........I moved mine to discover it made little difference even after 1.75" off set. Put it back to the center position. I experiemented with changing engine thrust line up and down, left and right. Little difference. Also experienced rudder oscillation when there was no pressure, my feet, on the pedals. Cured that by doubling the rudder pedal springs. Now I can fly feet off. The rudder trim tab I fly with cured the adverse yaw. Works like a charm. I don't think it is the weight of the rudder trim tab that causes the occilation, or flutter. It is the fact that the rudder is hinged from the leading edge and has no counter balance. Why the elevators don't flutter, I will never know, but that has never been a problem with any model Kolb as far as I know. Yes, power off and no trim problem, yaw, pitch, or roll. Bring in the power and adjustments must be made to keep the old bird trimmed out. I believe it is the nature of a high thrust line pusher with lots of power. john h mkIII , My MK-3 also has a big trim tab.Is it possible to off-set the vertical stabilizer a little to correct some of it?I was afraid to bend the tubing,and I couldn't think of another way to try.A lot of the yaw goes away when I power down.There is enough weight from the tab back there to start the rudder oscillating, with no tension on the pedals.Took the tab off and the wiggle stopped but it flew sideways.Tried a spring & cable tension adjustment lever but never found the right combination.Maybe need to aim the engine in a different direction.G Aman MK-3 C 2200 Jabiru ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: avgas at M.V.
Date: May 12, 2008
> I have the 160HP upgrade Lycoming, and can not use auto gas. Does anyone know where a guy can get avgas near M.V.? I don't have that sectional. > > Thanks, > > Mike Welch Have you tried AirNav? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Twinstar
From: "btcmed" <btcsurg(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 12, 2008
Hello all, first time poster. I just bought a mid '80's twinstar. 503, airworthiness and N numbered. Reg E-LSA. The thing is, it is open. I would like to close the front end like the MKIII. I spoke with Travis at KOLB and he told me it could be done. He also told me to contact you guys and see if anyone has any ideas. I can fab it myself if I had pictures of the frame work to follow. HINT HINT... I am also interested in putting breaks on it. I will have it in my hanger at home on Wed. and plan to keep it there until I get it the way I like it. thanks for your time, let me know what you guys think. Brian Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182818#182818 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: avgas at M.V.
Date: May 12, 2008
Does anyone know where a guy can get avgas near M.V.? I don't have that sectional. > > Mike Welch http://www.airnav.com/fuel/local.html I don't know where you can get a Las Vegas or Denver Sectional. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: avgas at M.V.
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 12, 2008
"Does anyone know where a guy can get avgas near M.V.? I don't have that sectional." Avgas is available at both: Page Municipal Airport, AZ http://www.airnav.com/airport/KPGA and Cal Black Memorial Airport. UT: http://www.airnav.com/airport/U96 If you need to look at a sectional but don't have one, try this site with online sectionals: http://skyvector.com/ -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1605 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182822#182822 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: avgas at M.V.
Date: May 12, 2008
> http://www.airnav.com/fuel/local.html When you get to this page, type in UT25 and check the 100LL box. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: MV Fuel
Date: May 12, 2008
Mike W: I noticed AirNav did not list Cal Black, U96. It has 100LL and is: 31.0 nautical miles NW Initial true course: 325 john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: trim
At 08:44 PM 5/12/2008, John Hauck wrote: > >Yes, power off and no trim problem, yaw, pitch, or roll. Bring in the >power and adjustments must be made to keep the old bird trimmed out. I >believe it is the nature of a high thrust line pusher with lots of power. Not surprising, the spiraling slipstream from a propeller whose axis is at or near the top of the rudder (or bottom in the case of my US) causes a yaw effect under power. -Dana -- Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2008
From: Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: avgas at M.V.
Just go to sportys.com go to map page and order the Sectional you want. If you live in the West then the folks at KSDL will get you a chart pretty quick. Sportys though is very good. Lets see if I can find you a direct link. mypilotstore.com for you folks in the West. http://sportys.com/charts for everybody else. ---- John Hauck wrote: ============ Does anyone know where a guy can get avgas near M.V.? I don't have that sectional. > > Mike Welch http://www.airnav.com/fuel/local.html I don't know where you can get a Las Vegas or Denver Sectional. john h mkIII -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 13, 2008
From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: trim
John, Thanks for the info.I felt like I might be chasing my tail in this quest,(no pun intended).The P factor from this fast turning prop was also on my suspect list.I have an appointment with a witch doctor today and I'll let you know if that helps. G.Aman ----- Original Message ---- From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:44:13 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Gary: I did most of that testing over the years. The way my mkIII is rigged today is the result of a lot of other tests that proved not to solve any problems. I tried to wait out old Kolb to off set the leading edge of the vertical stab on their mkIII but they never did anything. So.........I moved mine to discover it made little difference even after 1.75" off set. Put it back to the center position. I experiemented with changing engine thrust line up and down, left and right. Little difference. Also experienced rudder oscillation when there was no pressure, my feet, on the pedals. Cured that by doubling the rudder pedal springs. Now I can fly feet off. The rudder trim tab I fly with cured the adverse yaw. Works like a charm. I don't think it is the weight of the rudder trim tab that causes the occilation, or flutter. It is the fact that the rudder is hinged from the leading edge and has no counter balance. Why the elevators don't flutter, I will never know, but that has never been a problem with any model Kolb as far as I know. Yes, power off and no trim problem, yaw, pitch, or roll. Bring in the power and adjustments must be made to keep the old bird trimmed out. I believe it is the nature of a high thrust line pusher with lots of power. john h mkIII , My MK-3 also has a big trim tab.Is it possible to off-set the vertical stabilizer a little to correct some of it?I was afraid to bend the tubing,and I couldn't think of another way to try.A lot of the yaw goes away when I power down.There is enough weight from the tab back there to start the rudder oscillating, with no tension on the pedals.Took the tab off and the wiggle stopped but it flew sideways.Tried a spring & cable tension adjustment lever but never found the right combination.Maybe need to aim the engine in a different direction.G Aman MK-3 C 2200 Jabiru ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 13, 2008
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mothers Day
Nope, Cristal - I'm one too. But we're definitely in the minority! Arty --- cristalclear13 wrote: > > > I know you had to mean this as a joke, but I will > say "Thank you Mike and Jaz!" > > Am I the only Mother on this forum? > > -------- > Cristal > Mark II Twinstar > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182677#182677 > > > > > > > > > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > Forums! > > Admin. > > > > > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vic Peters" <vics(at)basicisp.net>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 13, 2008
John, A little off subject but you got to love this one. I just saw a big rig truck show on the Outdoor channel. A company is selling VG's to place vertically on the rear edge of the box to help stability in wind and passing. Plus it keeps the rear doors cleaner. So they say! On an earlier post you made about pitching your Warp I had just finished geting mine set at 5400 static. Took me about 5 tries. I guessed it would be just fine, especially after Ellery said I could gain another 1000 to1500 rpm in flight. Actual clime at around 900fpm was 5600. Funny thing is I had the same problem with one blade. Had to go around 3 times (of 5 diferent times) to get that sucker to stay put. Now I'm indexing the prop to see if it will help with vibration, some so far. May need a spacer. I also have one blade that is always 1/8 to 1/4 out of plane, supposedly not a problem. Have you had any problems with vibration? Vic Maine Xtra 912 UL Not one logable Hr. or license 9 Hrs TTAF Test Pilot Ellery ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: q
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 13, 2008
jb92563 wrote: > Sounds like a good VG application to me. > > I think that the high sink rate of the mush would give you a sign. > > I know that there are Audio variometers for gliders and handhelds for Hang gliders and Paragliders that you can set the sink rate alarm. > > That would be annoying though for regular flying so you would have to turn the volume down, but you may start catching thermals and riding them up at idle power. > > How does the stall horn know you are stalled? Airspeed or AOA? Stall horns work off of AOA not airspeed (stall is a function of AOA, not airspeed). ASI's are not nearly as reliable as recognition of pitch attitude when it comes to recognizing stalls. Ask any glider pilot - gust stalls happen all the time aloft when working marginal lift, especially through a shear layer. The ASI is all but useless in recognition and recovery from these types of stalls; thats why pitch attitude is what you hear over and over from the CFI-G in the back seat rather than airspeed.... Works the same way in any fixed wing, but it's paramount in a glider. FWIW, LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182934#182934 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 13, 2008
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Firestar project
My wife and I went to the airport Sunday and installed new front wing adapters. The first one I made had a weak point- when you pushed the wing to the rear, the bracket bent. It seemed sturdy enough, but when 13' of leverage was applied, they bent. I made some out of 3/16" x 2 1/2" x 2 1/2" box tubing, split to make a channel, then boxed to make a square "cup" 1 1/4" outside depth. Much stronger. Wing dihedral has to be corrected, so I ordered new ends from Travis at TNK. He said to put 1 1/2 degrees dihedral on them. Ed Harvey (of this List) has instructions from a Firefly for setting the wings. NOTE: I screwed up!!!! I installed a fuel restriction tube in the tank, to cut it down to 5 gallons. I used a hot glue gun to secure it, and the hot glue got soft and mushy from the gas fumes. I removed all of it, and will try a gas resistant RTV unless somebody has a better idea. I also have to put in a new fuel filter. My wife- Tiny- finally agreed to sit in the plane. We had to use a box for her to climb on (SHORT PEOPLE!) and it was a stretch for her to reach the rudder pedals. She decided to try some slow taxi practice, and did exceptionally well. She drove it up and down the field for an hour, and loved it. She has always been very capable with equipment, including farm tractors, dozers, and backhoes, so there was no problem. I gave her the same caution everybody on the List advises- easy on the throttle. We have run the engine for a total of about 3 hours at up to 3000 rpm, and no problems other than a very slight load-up after 10 minutes or so at just above idle. It takes a second or so to clear up when throttle is applied. It is very quiet at these speeds. I will have to do a wheel alignment (method per Jack Hart) after we run it around for a while. It tracks pretty good as is. I still have a little touch-up on the Stits here and there. I think a little Poly-tak will do it. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Bad experience with California Power Systems
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: May 13, 2008
Hello all: Here is a warning to all about doing business with California Power Systems. I recently rebuilt my 503 as you may have read in an earlier post. First, my order arrived partially filled. The fact that critical parts were not in stock was not mentioned when placing my order, nor was I made aware of it till my order arrived short (very frustrating). Part of that order was an exchange set of 0.010" over-bored cylinders. I sent mine to them post haste, only to find when my box arrived that they didn't have any to exchange with me. I called to get an estimated turn around time and was the guy on the phone could not find my cylinders. They had no record of getting my cylinders. I looked up the tracking information and called them back with a name and date of arrival. The guy put me on hold for about ten minutes and came back with "I don't see them anywhere, they MAY have gotten sent out. I left my number and asked to be called when someone could locate them. Meanwhile I began inspecting the other parts. The piston pins I received had been handled with bare hands at some time in the past and finger prints were corroded into them. I ordered replacements elsewhere and sent them back two days after receiving my order. Once again I needed my tracking number. Two weeks later, I called about getting a credit for the returned pins. I got the same "I don't see them anywhere, are you sure we got them?" routine. I got the distinct impression that without proof of receipt, I would be out of luck. I called back the next day with my tracking number, got a different person on the phone and the same "are you sure we got them?" response. Turns out the guy I was talking to was the very person who had signed for them nearly two weeks earlier. I have been calling them a couple of times a week about crediting me for my return. I always get "are you sure we got them?" I just got off of the phone with them this morning. I was assured My card will be credited tomorrow, ONE MONTH after getting my return. They will get no further business from me and I hope from this list. In their defense, the company who they sent my cylinders to, D & F Aviation in Goldsboro, NC did a masterful job. A tool an die maker friend used his very expensive bore-guage to check the job, and both cylinders were within 0.0003" of spec for diameter and were true and straight to 0.0002". Can't complain about that. The ports were deburred and the honing was perfect. Anyway, if you do any business with CPS, expect lousy service if you must return anything and send it SIGNATURE REQUIRED or you may not get your money back. Your mileage may vary, but I doubt it. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182941#182941 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: q
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 13, 2008
Oh, left out my last sentence, pertinent to the topic: No, you don't need a stall warning horn on a Kolb. The usual stall recognition and recovery skills you learn in any other airplane will serve you just fine. The Kolb has very predictable and "normal" stall characteristics and won't give any surprises.... LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182943#182943 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bad experience with California Power Systems
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 13, 2008
R. Hankins wrote: > Hello all: > Here is a warning to all about doing business with California Power Systems. I"ll second this. Has anyone seen the 2-stroke teardown/rebuild video from CPS? If not, it might be worth a few bucks to get it to convince yourself you never, ever want to send your motor over there for any reason. Likewise with parts.... I've never seen engine parts manhandled like that before in my life..... For motor work, I'd suggest Ronnie Smith at south Mississippi light aircraft, Mark Smith at tristate kite sales in IN (2-stroke only but has decades of Rotax experience), and lockwood aviation in FL. LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182947#182947 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Stall warning devices
Date: May 13, 2008
NOTE: new subject line to reflect topic > How does the stall horn know you are stalled? Airspeed or AOA? > > -------- > Ray > Ray, The stall horn on my Cessna works with BOTH angle of attack, and airspeed. The placement of the tab on the leading edge is such that only an angle of attack (AOA) that approaches stall affects it. Additionally, it requires a specific minimum airspeed blowing against it to keep it quiet. Normal flight parameters do that(keep it quiet). But in very high AOA and slow airspeed, the tab is allowed to "relax" forward, and this sounds the warning horn. Being able to build your own AOA/stall warning device wouldn't be such a difficult task. It just requires a significant amount of stall practice, to be able to find that "sweet spot"....the moment just as stall is imminent!! My problem is that with all that practice learning what is and isn't the actual stall, to be able to build the warning device, I may in fact get to the point where I don't really need it!!! It has been a while, but for fun I used to practice flying my Cessna all over the practice zone, about 1/2 mph above actual stall, while maintaining altitude!! I'd make shallow turns, enjoy a cup of coffee, read the newspaper, etc. The stall warning horn just 'a blarin' away!!! Ok, I didn't actually drink any coffee or read anything, but the point is, there was a time when I had such control of my airspeed and stall parameters that the horn was only a loud annoyance. We should ALL be that proficient at the very slow flight envelope. I don't get nearly the flight time to be that skilled lately. But I should!! Best to you, Ray, and I hope you plan on making it to M.V. On your way back home you could stop by my place and I could show you my MkIII project (in St George, UT, sw corner of Utah). Mike Welch MkIIICX _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: stalls
Date: May 13, 2008
The stall thread reminds me that during one holiday many years ago I had a couple of glider flights with a club called the Flying Seminoles down around Okeefenokee way. In a Schweitzer if I remember. While hangar flying with some guys in the clubhouse one of them was relating the story of a flight he made with a certain pilot.. He said `We came over the hedge at full load with the stall warning yelling its f**********n head off. I leaned over the pilots shoulder and pushed the stick forward.. He was mad as hell`` There was a pause and the story teller continued " Hell, he sure was a sloppy flyer" Guess you had to be there. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: stalls
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 13, 2008
[quote="pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com"]The stall thread reminds me that during one holiday many years ago I had a couple of glider flights with a club called the Flying Seminoles down around Okeefenokee way. In a Schweitzer if I remember. While hangar flying with some guys in the clubhouse one of them was relating the story of a flight he made with a certain pilot.. He said `We came over the hedge at full load with the stall warning yelling its f**********n head off. I leaned over the pilots shoulder and pushed the stick forward.. He was mad as hell`` There was a pause and the story teller continued " Hell, he sure was a sloppy flyer" Guess you had to be there. Cheers Pat > [b] I know this is a little bit off the topic of Kolbs, but it's funny how getting into a glider will magnify almost every little sloppiness you have in your flying by about 28,000 times........ Stall recognition and recovery is one of those, since you spend a large amount of time flying in super rough air at minimum sink airspeed, a condition where you're right below stall AOA. Even small gusts in the tailwind direction easily put you past the critical AOA and into a "gust stall". This happened to me yesterday 4 or 5 times during my lesson in the Grob 103 - recovery always involved flying by reference to pitch attitude and rarelyby airspeed. When you're on the tow is another place the ASI can fool you. Lot of thimes, it'll read that you're pretty well above stall speed, but in fact you're pretty close to the critical AOA, a dangerous situation in case of a rope break with an inattentive pilot at the controls...... My CFI-G calls pitch attitude the "lifeblood" of flying an airplane, I think that's probably the best I've ever heard that put by anyone..... LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182959#182959 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: stalls
Date: May 13, 2008
Of course at zero airspeed it's fallin' not stallin' :) BB On 13, May 2008, at 1:20 PM, lucien wrote: > > [quote="pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com"]The stall thread reminds me that > during one holiday many years ago I had a couple of glider flights > with a club called the Flying Seminoles down around Okeefenokee > way. In a Schweitzer if I remember. > > While hangar flying with some guys in the clubhouse one of them > was relating the story of a flight he made with a certain pilot.. > He said `We came over the hedge at full load with the stall > warning yelling its f**********n head off. I leaned over the > pilots shoulder and pushed the stick forward.. He was mad as hell`` > > There was a pause and the story teller continued " Hell, he sure > was a sloppy flyer" > > Guess you had to be there. > > Cheers > > Pat > >> [b] > > > I know this is a little bit off the topic of Kolbs, but it's funny > how getting into a glider will magnify almost every little > sloppiness you have in your flying by about 28,000 times........ > > Stall recognition and recovery is one of those, since you spend a > large amount of time flying in super rough air at minimum sink > airspeed, a condition where you're right below stall AOA. > Even small gusts in the tailwind direction easily put you past the > critical AOA and into a "gust stall". This happened to me yesterday > 4 or 5 times during my lesson in the Grob 103 - recovery always > involved flying by reference to pitch attitude and rarelyby airspeed. > > When you're on the tow is another place the ASI can fool you. Lot > of thimes, it'll read that you're pretty well above stall speed, > but in fact you're pretty close to the critical AOA, a dangerous > situation in case of a rope break with an inattentive pilot at the > controls...... > > My CFI-G calls pitch attitude the "lifeblood" of flying an > airplane, I think that's probably the best I've ever heard that put > by anyone..... > > LS > > -------- > LS > FS II > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182959#182959 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bad experience with California Power Systems
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: May 13, 2008
Lucien: I have also had great service from MS Light Aircraft. I called them on John Hauk's recommendation and got great service. I had part numbers in hand when I called, but didn't need them. I told him what I needed, and he said "let me check... Yep, I've got 'em" and they were in my hand three days later. He sent me the right parts by description alone. Nice to order from someone who knows what they are talking about. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182981#182981 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bad experience with California Power Systems
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 13, 2008
R. Hankins wrote: > Lucien: > I have also had great service from MS Light Aircraft. I called them on John Hauk's recommendation and got great service. I had part numbers in hand when I called, but didn't need them. I told him what I needed, and he said "let me check... Yep, I've got 'em" and they were in my hand three days later. He sent me the right parts by description alone. Nice to order from someone who knows what they are talking about. Well I don't think there's anyone who has more experience with the Rotaxen than Ronnie Smith (except perhaps Mark Smith in the 2-stroke area). But especially for the 912, Ronnie Smith is the best in the country. He also happens to now be an AnP so he works on the big iron (or is at least qualified to) as well. He's a regular on Roy Beisswinger's internet radio show and I listen to every single time that he's on. I've called him occassionally for advice on things here and there and there's just nothing that the man doesn't know about our rotax motors. Lockwood is also very good, but they tend to be a little more doctrinaire about things, which sometimes Ronnie has a little more field experience with. For 2-strokes, Mark Smith is another genius who's been doing the 2-stroke motors for decades. He still does several motors a week, so who knows how many motors he's brought back to health over the years.... Between these three, you just don't need anyone else for service, advice and parts.... JMO, LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182987#182987 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 13, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Firestar project
At 12:02 PM 5/13/2008, william sullivan wrote: > NOTE: I screwed up!!!! I installed a fuel restriction tube in the tank, > to cut it down to 5 gallons. I used a hot glue gun to secure it, and the > hot glue got soft and mushy from the gas fumes. I removed all of it, and > will try a gas resistant RTV unless somebody has a better idea. I also > have to put in a new fuel filter. Don't use RTV! No RTV will hold up long term to gasoline. The only safe way is to heat weld something in (if the tank is clean) or a mechanical connection like a gasketed bulkhead fitting. I'd say epoxy, but nothing really sticks to the polyethylene that the tanks are made of. -Dana -- Have you any idea how successful censorship is on TV? Don't know the answer? Hm. Successful. Isn't it? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 13, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bad experience with California Power Systems
Roger , It seems that CPS hasn't improved any even though it has been 8 yea rs since I had similar trouble with them . I stopped doing business with th em after they sent me the wrong fuel pump for my 503 ,I bought the rebuild kit from another supplier and it worked fine their products and their emplo yees leave a lot to be desired"as in nothing I want to deal with"Chris=0A =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: R. Hankins <rphanks(at)grantspass.co m>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:15:29 PM =0ASubject: Kolb-List: Bad experience with California Power Systems=0A=0A-- ello all:=0AHere is a warning to all about doing business with California P ower Systems.- I recently rebuilt my 503 as you may have read in an earli er post.- First, my order arrived partially filled.- The fact that crit ical parts were not in stock was not mentioned when placing my order, nor w as I made aware of it till my order arrived short (very frustrating).- Pa rt of that order was an exchange set of 0.010" over-bored cylinders.- I s ent mine to them post haste, only to find when my box arrived that they did n't have any to exchange with me. I called to get an estimated turn around time and was the guy on the phone could not find my cylinders.- They had no record of getting my cylinders.- I looked up the tracking information and called them back with a name and date of arrival.- The guy put me on hold for about ten minutes and came back with "I don't see them anywhere, t hey MAY have gotten sent out.- I left my number and asked to be called wh en someone could locate them.- =0A=0AMeanwhile I began inspecting the other parts. - The piston pins I received had been handled with bare hands at some tim e in the past and finger prints were corroded into them.- I ordered repla cements elsewhere and sent them back two days after receiving my order.- Once again I needed my tracking number.- Two weeks later, I called about getting a credit for the returned pins.- I got the same "I don't see them anywhere, are you sure we got them?" routine.- I got the distinct impres sion that without proof of receipt, I would be out of luck.- I called bac k the next day with my tracking number, got a different person on the phone and the same "are you sure we got them?" response.- Turns out the guy I was talking to was the very person who had signed for them nearly two weeks earlier.- I have been calling them a couple of times a week about credit ing me for my return.- I always get "are you sure we got them?" =0A=0AI j ust got off of the phone with them this morning.- I was assured My card w ill be credited tomorrow, ONE MONTH after getting my return.- They will g et no further business from me and I hope from this list.=0A=0AIn their def ense, the company who they sent my cylinders to, D & F Aviation in Goldsbor o, NC did a masterful job.- A tool an die maker friend used his very expe nsive bore-guage to check the job, and both cylinders were within 0.0003" o f spec for diameter and were true and straight to 0.0002".- Can't complai n about that.- The ports were deburred and the honing was perfect.=0A=0AA nyway, if you do any business with CPS, expect lousy service if you must re turn anything and send it SIGNATURE REQUIRED or you may not get your money back.- Your mileage may vary, but I doubt it.=0A=0A--------=0ARoger in Or egon=0A1992 KXP 503 - N1782C=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182941#182941=0A=0A=0A=0A - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 13, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Firestar project
This is for William, Plase excuse my ignorance but why not just install a 5 gal. tank istead of risking your life on hot glue or any other remake Im s ure you- have spent more time and time being money trying to shrink your tank? Chris =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Dana Hague <d-m -hague(at)comcast.net>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:37:35 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar project=0A=0A--> Kolb-Li st message posted by: Dana Hague =0A=0AAt 12:02 PM 5 /13/2008, william sullivan wrote:=0A=0A>- NOTE: I screwed up!!!! I instal led a fuel restriction tube in the tank, =0A> to cut it down to 5 gallons. I used a hot glue gun to secure it, and the =0A> hot glue got soft and mush y from the gas fumes. I removed all of it, and =0A> will try a gas resistan t RTV unless somebody has a better idea. I also =0A> have to put in a new f uel filter.=0A=0ADon't use RTV!- No RTV will hold up long term to gasolin e.- The only safe =0Away is to heat weld something in (if the tank is cle an) or a mechanical =0Aconnection like a gasketed bulkhead fitting.=0A=0AI' d say epoxy, but nothing really sticks to the polyethylene that the tanks =0Aare made of.=0A=0A-Dana=0A--=0A- Have you any idea how successful cens orship is on TV?- Don't know the =0Aanswer?- Hm.- Successful.- Isn' - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2008
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Bad experience with California Power Systems
What you all may be experiencing is the effects of the slow economy and slow down in the UL market itself. I would suspect they have reduced their staff to bare bones and those remaining are over whelmed. It seems to work out that way. jerb At 11:29 AM 5/13/2008, you wrote: > > >R. Hankins wrote: > > Hello all: > > Here is a warning to all about doing business with California > Power Systems. > > >I"ll second this. > >Has anyone seen the 2-stroke teardown/rebuild video from CPS? > >If not, it might be worth a few bucks to get it to convince yourself >you never, ever want to send your motor over there for any reason. >Likewise with parts.... I've never seen engine parts manhandled like >that before in my life..... > >For motor work, I'd suggest Ronnie Smith at south Mississippi light >aircraft, Mark Smith at tristate kite sales in IN (2-stroke only but >has decades of Rotax experience), and lockwood aviation in FL. > >LS > >-------- >LS >FS II > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182947#182947 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: stalls
Date: May 14, 2008
When you're on the tow is another place the ASI can fool you>. Hi Lucien, It doesn`t matter if you watch the ASI or an AOA indicator if you listen to the glider and feel that slight judder, get the stick forward sharpish and you should head off a stall everytime. I was taught NOT so much `stall recovery` but RECOGNITION of a stall before it happens. Gliders pilots who are thermalling in a gaggle of say 20 other gliders all banked at 30 degrees or more 5 knots above the stall all in an area a few hundred yards across will have his ears on the audio for the vario and his eyes outside, not watching instruments. Glider pilots will just ease the back pressure slightly when that `judder` occurs as they can`t afford to lose the height which a power pilot can easily recover. If you want to see some incredible glider flying see Youtube under `Nutter at Kemble` (I think) there is film of a display at at Kemble Air Day with the glider pilot doing rolls while still on aerotow. Also mirror flying with the tug.Fantastic. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bad experience with California Power Systems
jerb, I don't think one can blame their lousy parts and service on the econ omy as it was 8 years ago I had my bad experience and stopped doing busines s with them. Chris =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: jerb <ul flyer(at)verizon.net>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:51:21 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Bad experience with Californ n.net>=0A=0AWhat you all may be experiencing is the effects of the slow eco nomy =0Aand slow down in the UL market itself.- I would suspect they have =0Areduced their staff to bare bones and those remaining are over =0Awhelm ed.- It seems to work out that way.=0Ajerb=0A=0AAt 11:29 AM 5/13/2008, yo .com>=0A>=0A>=0A>R. Hankins wrote:=0A> > Hello all:=0A> > Here is a warning to all about doing business with California =0A> Power Systems.=0A>=0A>=0A >I"ll second this.=0A>=0A>Has anyone seen the 2-stroke teardown/rebuild vid eo from CPS?=0A>=0A>If not, it might be worth a few bucks to get it to conv ince yourself =0A>you never, ever want to send your motor over there for an y reason. =0A>Likewise with parts.... I've never seen engine parts manhandl ed like =0A>that before in my life.....=0A>=0A>For motor work, I'd suggest Ronnie Smith at south Mississippi light =0A>aircraft, Mark Smith at tristat e kite sales in IN (2-stroke only but =0A>has decades of Rotax experience), and lockwood aviation in FL.=0A>=0A>LS=0A>=0A>--------=0A>LS=0A>FS II=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics .com/viewtopic.php?p=182947#182947=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A ===0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: stalls
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 14, 2008
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > When you're on the tow is another place the ASI can fool you>. > > Hi Lucien, > > It doesn`t matter if you watch the ASI or an AOA indicator if you listen to > the glider and feel that slight judder, get the stick forward sharpish and > you should head off a stall everytime. I was taught NOT so much `stall > recovery` but RECOGNITION of a stall before it happens. Gliders pilots who > are thermalling in a gaggle of say 20 other gliders all banked at 30 degrees > or more 5 knots above the stall all in an area a few hundred yards across > will have his ears on the audio for the vario and his eyes outside, not > watching instruments. Glider pilots will just ease the back pressure > slightly when that `judder` occurs as they can`t afford to lose the height > which a power pilot can easily recover. > > If you want to see some incredible glider flying see Youtube under `Nutter > at Kemble` (I think) there is film of a display at at Kemble Air Day with > the glider pilot doing rolls while still on aerotow. Also mirror flying with > the tug.Fantastic. > > Cheers > > Pat That's the way I learned it - referencing airspeed with an ASI for stall recognition/recovery is not a theory of fixed-wing flight that I'm familiar with or ever heard of being taught. Maintenance of angle of attack is the only method of stall avoidance and recovery that I've ever seen work in any airplane I've flown and it's what my instructors have always taught me as well. Fortunately, in light aircraft like the Kolb, this isn't a difficult skill to acquire. In my old FSII, I never needed to use the ASI for anything other than making sure of V-speeds like Vne; in my titan I also rarely look at it again once I'm on downwind and configured for the approach. I'd say I stopped needing to use it at about 40 hours in the plane, about the same with Kolb. Same thing in the glider I'm learning in right now, the ASI is used strictly for airspeed and never for stall recognition or recovery. LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183097#183097 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Twinstar
From: "btcmed" <btcsurg(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 14, 2008
Thanks for getting back to me I love the pictures I think they will help very much. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183098#183098 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: stalls
Date: May 14, 2008
, the ASI is used strictly for airspeed>> Hi Lucien, sounds as if we came up the same way. On the downwind leg of around my 10th glider flight the CFI threw his gloves onto a shelf thus covering the ASI and the Altimeter with the words `you don`t need the instruments. Look outside and listen to the plane.` Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: q
At 10:39 AM 5/14/2008, jb92563 wrote: >As a matter of fact I can't imagine how a pilot could not recognize a stall. > >There's plenty of other signs if you are paying attention. > >Maybe its different in a Kolb since I have not flown my UltraStar yet... Some aircraft (mainly faster aircraft) have more abrupt stalls, but should be no problem in your US. 'Bout the only issue you may have is that the best climb is practically at stall speed, so there's a narrow margin... but the US hardly stalls at all, you feel the buffet and it mushes a bit, but you gotta try hard to get a real "break" with the nose dropping. -Dana -- How is it that 2 teenagers in the back of an original Volkswagen Beetle, in a crowded drive-in theater, can reproduce, yet it takes 2 spotted owls 10,000 acres? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: stalls
> >, the ASI is used strictly for airspeed>> > >Hi Lucien, >sounds as if we came up the same way. On the downwind leg of around my >10th glider flight the CFI threw his gloves onto a shelf thus covering the >ASI and the Altimeter with the words `you don`t need the instruments. Look >outside and listen to the plane.` > >Pat Pat and Kolbers, I flew gliders for several years, and what has been said here is true. But, it is easier in gliders, in that, one does not have the distraction of engine noise and vibration. They tend to mask what the plane is really doing. In a glider, your lower cheeks will tell you pretty much what the plane is doing and the sound of the wind flowing around the canopy tell you your air speed. In powered flight, you still have your lower cheeks and if your controls are light, feedback from the stick, but sound is pretty well masked by headsets and/or noise protection and high background noise. Just waiting for a fuel sipping, 35hp turboprop engine that weighs in at 70 pounds. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Deer On the Runway
Date: May 14, 2008
I'm having problems with deer on my runway. On occasions I see deer but they have never been a problem before. A few nights ago a deer ran across the runway in front of my plane while landing I was able to power up and land beyond to crossing deer but I didn't like it. Does anyone know if there is a way to get a out of season hunting permit to clear deer from a runway (private unregistered airport)? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2008
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: q
At 10:39 AM 5/14/2008, you wrote: > >Being a glider Pilot I was not familiar with stall warning horns as >I learned how to recognize a stall directly early on in my training. > >Perhaps a copilot is an even better idea, although he could surely >benefit from VG's. > >-------- >Ray Everything can benefit from VG's. Even this helicopter flies better with them. Take a look. Where's John H? Oh yeah .............he's out of town, I forgot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyisg9-Mwjw ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: Deer On the Runway
Date: May 14, 2008
Rick 1. Where I live is one of the worst deer areas anywhere. 2. I'm on the 'Deer Committee' 3. whistles & reflectors don't work 4. There are no easy answers! If the strip is private, and the deer are 'damaging crops' or anything remotely similar, the State can issue a nuisance-wildlife hunting permit. Usually not too hard to get. Talk to the DEP, Nuisance wildlife division & ask what you can do. Yours won't be their first call, and they're usually cooperative. Hope so. Thank God they taste good!I Otherwise no one would hunt them and we'd be in much worse shape. BTW I love to watch them, they're beautiful, but enough is enough! -- may be even too much -- PS If anyone has a goose problem, let the grass grow to 6-8" high wherever you can. That's high enough to hide a fox, the geese know it & may go elsewhere do not archive On May 14, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: > I'm having problems with deer on my runway. On occasions I see deer > but they have never been a problem before. A few nights ago a deer > ran across the runway in front of my plane while landing I was able > to power up and land beyond to crossing deer but I didn't like it. > Does anyone know if there is a way to get a out of season hunting > permit to clear deer from a runway (private unregistered airport)? > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIC > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Deer On the Runway
At 04:34 PM 5/14/2008, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: >I'm having problems with deer on my runway. On occasions I see deer but >they have never been a problem before. A few nights ago a deer ran across >the runway in front of my plane while landing I was able to power up and >land beyond to crossing deer but I didn't like it. Does anyone know if >there is a way to get a out of season hunting permit to clear deer from a >runway (private unregistered airport)? It will depend on your state wildlife regulations. I know that in CT you can get a "Deer depredation permit" which allows you to shoot deer that are damaging crops, dunno if they'd allow it for an airport... can't see why not if they're endangering human life. Depending on the surround area, though, there might be restrictions, like no firearms (bowhunting only) or other restrictions. Of course if it's your own land and nobody else is around... -Dana -- Q: Why is it that New Jersey got all the toxic waste dumps and California got all the lawyers? A: New Jersey had first choice. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
At 10:37 AM 5/13/2008, jb92563 wrote: >I ran my UL-202 this past weekend, and tried without the fuel pump to see >what would happen and found the engine does not suck fuel well at all on >its own. No, it would not. >It really does sound like fuel starvation. Now, I'm less sure. Yesterday before trailering the plane home, I pulled it out to look at things. I noticed fuel dribbling from the carburetor vent tubes, something I've never noticed before. And the trailer floor under the carb was damp with fuel/oil. This is a pretty clear indication of a leaky float needle, which would cause _rich_ running, not fuel starvation. Still, an excessively rich mixture can also cause engine stoppage... or a worn needle could also stick closed. Or crud, but either way it's pointing to a carburetor issue... probably won't pull it apart until the repair parts arrive in a few days, though. >I think I'll consider an overhead starter like yours seeing as how it >demonstratably worked for you in flight. Yes, it sure was nice to have! It makes for a better pull angle on the ground, too. It's just a piece of stainless sheet bent into a "U" shape holding a pulley, on the LH universal joint bolt. -Dana -- Q: Why is it that New Jersey got all the toxic waste dumps and California got all the lawyers? A: New Jersey had first choice. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frank Clyma" <frank-margie(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Cuyuna Cooling
Date: May 14, 2008
REF: In the mean time I brought out the Cuyuna 430 and am prepping it to go in the UL-202's place for now. They are Identical to the UL-202 except for the 7lbs extra weight and a single 28mm carb. If it works out I may go to dual carbs for more power. I hear some were getting near 40 hp from a dual carb 430. I'll compare it with the other engines performance to see how it compares. Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Riverside County, CA -------------------------------------------- Ray, The 430 is not identical to the U-L202. The early 430's went to the 32 MM carb, double head gaskets, and a special flow thru head, to try and cool them. With only partial success. The flow thru head had every other fin removed, to try and get more cooling air to the original head on the rear cyl. I think most of this was incorporated into the UL-202. I also believe the 202 had different porting locations on the jugs, in an effort to get more torque into the mid range. The only really successful Cuyuna I ever saw was on Richard Swiderski's Ultrastar "Stork", and he ran dual carbs. I think he also used parts from both the 430 and the 202 on his most successful version. He may still be on this list, maybe he'd share some of his experience. You probably do have a too much prop. Only good fix is a ground adjustable. Leaving it a little bit over propped will usually help keep EGT's in check. In my experience, the ground adjustables will out pull a fixed pitch even running at the same rpm. True anyway for Warp, GSC, and Powerfin. Probably not true for the old flat-bladed Ultra Prop. Frank Clyma Jacksonville FL ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank?
Dana & List, I apologize for tossing out some numbers with out explanation. I used a quick graphical solution to come up with relative numbers for an aileron one-half the chord. It rained today so I worked up a similar graphical approach to match the modifications I have made to the FireFly. The results can be seen at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly139.html I inserted some responses below. > >If you have to move the aileron twice as far to get the same effect (same >aerodynamic force), but the moment arm to the center of pressure is halved, >then the torque applied to the aileron is also halved. However, you have >to move the stick twice as far (not possible on the US, at least not on mine). > If your maximum aileron down deflection is 20 degrees, there is more than enough stick deflection. >To get the same control authority for a given stick deflection, then you >have to adjust the control linkage to get double the aileron movement for >the same stick deflection, which multiplies the torque by a factor of >two... net result, same stick force. > In my case, I was able to reduce "Tee" hole spacing to gain greater mechanical advantage and therefore reduce stick force required. > >I don't see that at all. If the rolling force (regardless of the aileron >size) is the same, then the amount of twist it causes in the wing should be >the same. > All that extra effort that you have to exert to deflect the aileron has to go some where. Some of it goes into twisting the aileron torque tube. The rest and probably most of it goes into twisting the wing ribs about the main spar. > >The modification suggested for the US is not a steel root rib (which it >already has), but a collar to reinforce the main spar attachment to the >root rib, keep the spar tube round, and keep the spar from twisting... >though I'm not convinced how the modification, as I understand it, would >help that much. > In the FireFly, there is one pin through the main spar attachment point to the cage. Also a second through the rear wing universal attachment point. And two more through the wing struts. The only thing that keeps the wing from kicking up in the back with down aileron is the most inboard steel rib. This leaves the outboard portion of the wing to progressively twist up under this condition. Since the airfoil lift profile usually centers over the main spar this twist is not usually harmful. I hope this helps to explain why reasonably small ailerons may be of benefit. Would I change back? No way! Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why?
At 02:26 AM 5/15/2008, jb92563 wrote: >Thats puzzling as it took prime to restart in the air. > >I wonder if the floats could be binding causing the possibility of lean or >rich... That's a possibility. Another possibility is that it died rich, wouldn't start at low throttle first, but then when I opened the throttle, there was then too little fuel in the intake for it to start at WOT, until I primed it? I dunno, just guessing now until I can take it apart, probably not 'til next week. -Dana -- Dyslexics Untie! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 15, 2008
A reputation is only good till the next time one screws up.>> Hi Ron, couldn`t disagree with that. Everyone slips at some time .At least with a one man operation he can`t blame it on someone else. Just out of curiosity. What is an impact wrench?. Is that a power driven spanner or a torque wrench. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 15, 2008
Its a devise that can hold a socket or a screw driver bit. You place it on a seized/frozen nut, bolt or screw then hit it with a hammer .The shock of hitting it as well as a sprung loaded action within the shock driver will undo the nut,bolt or screw. A very handy devise when working with things screwed into alloy casings. You can also get air operated ones. Hope this is of some help. Tony MK111 c 503 NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim > > A reputation is only good till the next time one screws up.>> > > Hi Ron, > couldn`t disagree with that. Everyone slips at some time .At least with a > one man operation he can`t blame it on someone else. > > Just out of curiosity. What is an impact wrench?. Is that a power driven > spanner or a torque wrench. > > Pat > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2008
From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Deer On the Runway
I hate to admit this but,There are two deer whistles stuck to the bottom of my MK-3.Monday night,8:35pm,after mowing for a couple hours,took off to enjoy the last 30 min. of still smooth air.The deer standing on the runway were watching me as I was on final and headed for the woods 300yards ahead of me.I can't prove it,but I think they actually work. G.Aman ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:34:06 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Deer On the Runway I'm having problems with deer on my runway. On occasions I see deer but they have never been a problem before. A few nights ago a deer ran across the runway in front of my plane while landing I was able to power up and land beyond to crossing deer but I didn't like it. Does anyone know if there is a way to get a out of season hunting permit to clear deer from a runway (private unregistered airport)? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 15, 2008
On May 15, 2008, at 7:12 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > Just out of curiosity. What is an impact wrench?. Is that a power > driven spanner or a torque wrench. Language is a funny thing. What is a "power driven spanner" ? < g > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: trim
At 07:12 AM 5/15/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >Just out of curiosity. What is an impact wrench?. Is that a power driven >spanner or a torque wrench. I guess it's what you'd call a power driven spanner-- looks like a hand drill but usually air powered, loosens the nut with a succession of sharp hits sounding something like a machine gun-- what the mechanic uses to tighten the lug nuts on your car so tight that you can't get them off again without a six foot breaker bar... though there are non powered impact wrenches that you use a hammer to supply the impact to... and what we call an "air ratchet" over here, that uses air power to spin the nut on or off but doesn't provide the impacts. -Dana -- Help Wanted: Telepath. You know where to apply. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Firestar Project
Bill , I had the fabric about 3 inches from the top of the tank about shoul der height when sitting in the sling seat that came with the kit I had a fu ll enclosure and over the tank portion was open in warm weather but in the winter I had lexan that fit in on the frame making it Totally enclosed no w ind ! and still full visibility .Chris =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message - ---=0AFrom: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>=0ATo: kolb list <ko lb-list(at)matronics.com>=0ASent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:51:58 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Firestar Project=0A=0A=0AChris Davis- I see that you have the " KXP" version. What configuration of fabric do you have? Mine is so enclosed I can't even get a hand in there. If your is more open, how bad is the coc kpit draft, and how is the rearward visibility?-I believe mine to be the original FS with KX wings that are being fitted. Mine also has the BRS belo w the gas tank, rigged to fire through the side fabric.=0A-=0Ado not arch ive=0A-=0A--------------------- ------------------------- ------ Bill Sullivan=0A------------- ------------------------- -------------- FS/KX/447=0A------ ------------------------- --------------------- Windsor Loc == =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2008
From: Dudley <airspeedx3(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Droop wingtips project (photos included, caution dial-up guys)
Kolb guys, and ladies. - - For those that have been paying attention, I present to you my home-made droop tips. I quickly state that making your own is NOT worth it!!!- As I previously stated, I just didn't have the time to wait on the production models.- - - I had a hellava time trying to get a final finish on them.- Sheesh!!!!!- I've had every "problem known to man" on their finish, from wrinkle-paint texture, to non-curing paint problems, to more things than I care to go into.- I had to end up sanding them back to raw fiberglass finish, and starting over, more than once.- What a real PITA!!- What was troubling was that these wrinkle paint problems, etc, were with the same brand and type of paint. - - If it weren't for the problems I would have been finished 2-3 weeks ago! - - Anyway, for your entertainment, here's my virtually finished droop tips. - - Next, I begin working on the aileron droop tip extensions, with their built-in counterbalance/spade.- Stay tuned..... - Mike Welch (Dudley) MkIIICX=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Droop wingtips project (photos included, caution dial-up
guy
From: "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)hughes.net>
Date: May 15, 2008
MIKE: They may have been a pain for you to finish but they sure do look good. It seems like everything I do in fiberglass I later modify or re-do. I'm presantly building an engine cowling, for my VW engine, and hope I only have to do it a couple of times before I get it right. I am also waiting on the wing tips but not in need of them now. I won't bug the Kolb guy's about them until there needed. Rick Lewis :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183354#183354 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ross richardson" <smlplanet(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway
Date: May 15, 2008
We see a deer now and then but have a turtle problem. They don't stand out like the deer and tend to blend in to the grass until your ready to set it down. A friend and I hit one in his Challenger and bent the noise wheel. We spent the rest of the week end walking the runway spray painting every one we found with a bright orange marking paint. ----- Original Message ----- From: gary aman<mailto:gaman(at)att.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Deer On the Runway I hate to admit this but,There are two deer whistles stuck to the bottom of my MK-3.Monday night,8:35pm,after mowing for a couple hours,took off to enjoy the last 30 min. of still smooth air.The deer standing on the runway were watching me as I was on final and headed for the woods 300yards ahead of me.I can't prove it,but I think they actually work. G.Aman ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:34:06 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Deer On the Runway I'm having problems with deer on my runway. On occasions I see deer but they have never been a problem before. A few nights ago a deer ran across the runway in front of my plane while landing I was able to power up and land beyond to crossing deer but I didn't like it. Does anyone know if there is a way to get a out of season hunting permit to clear deer from a runway (private unregistered airport)? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List igator?Kolb-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ross richardson" <smlplanet(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Deer & Turtles On the Runway
Date: May 15, 2008
We see a deer now and then but turtles are our problem. I was with a friend in his Challenger when we hit a turtle and bent the noise wheel. They are not like deer and see them do to their size but tend to blend into the grass and not seen until touch down. Ooop's We spent the rest of the week end walking the runway marking turtles with a bright orange marking paint. ----- Original Message ----- From: gary aman<mailto:gaman(at)att.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Deer On the Runway I hate to admit this but,There are two deer whistles stuck to the bottom of my MK-3.Monday night,8:35pm,after mowing for a couple hours,took off to enjoy the last 30 min. of still smooth air.The deer standing on the runway were watching me as I was on final and headed for the woods 300yards ahead of me.I can't prove it,but I think they actually work. G.Aman ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:34:06 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Deer On the Runway I'm having problems with deer on my runway. On occasions I see deer but they have never been a problem before. A few nights ago a deer ran across the runway in front of my plane while landing I was able to power up and land beyond to crossing deer but I didn't like it. Does anyone know if there is a way to get a out of season hunting permit to clear deer from a runway (private unregistered airport)? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List igator?Kolb-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway
At 06:32 PM 5/15/2008, ross richardson wrote: >We see a deer now and then but have a turtle problem. They don't stand out >like the deer and tend to blend in to the grass until your ready to set it >down. A friend and I hit one in his Challenger and bent the noise wheel. >We spent the rest of the week end walking the runway spray painting every >one we found with a bright orange marking paint. ...mystifying wildlife biologists for the next decade... :) -Dana -- Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um.... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2008
From: Dudley <airspeedx3(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
> Question for you.... > I'm looking to build a transfer pump I can attach to a > 5 Gallon gas can... > > Battery powered would be find... > Any Ideas welcome > Thanks > Mark Mark, I would suggest an "in-tank" fuel pump. eBay has tons of 'em to investigate. Usually they come with a built-in pickup screen, and put out a significant volume! You could mount it inside your gas can, plus the wires to hook it up are on the outside mounting unit. You could arrange the electric wires to have 15' leads, with battery post clips, and use any 12 volt battery to transfer fuel rapidly. This is EXACTLY what powers my fuel system for my GEO 1.0 fuel injected engine on my MkIII. My pump was brand new, and cost me $30. Take a look at eBay's selection of fuel pumps, and I'm sure you'd find precisely what you're after. Mike Welch MkIIICX ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flycrazy8(at)aol.com
Date: May 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway
You guys have it lucky ..... At least those critters cross the runway then is off..... These Cows we have just homestead on the runway.... You can only scare them once..... Then they just ignore the noisy big skeeeters.....and when they do finally move they leave all these slick mines all over the place to run over and if your lucky to have an enclosed cockpit all you end up with is the stuff all over your Kolb.... :-)) stephen baxley 2003 Firefly L . A. ( lower Alabama) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: CPS Sucks!
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: May 15, 2008
I finally got credited for the corroded piston pins that I returned to CPS, or sort of. For the privilege of returning DEFECTIVE parts , I was charged a $14.49 restocking fee. I guess that means some other poor sap is going to receive my corroded piston pins and be told to "scotch bright" the rust off as I was. Please humor me as I try to steer enough customers away from them as possible. They are too far away to show up and take $14.49 out of their hide, but I would sure like to. Can you say "not happy" boys and girls? -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183398#183398 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlos" <grageda(at)innw.net>
Subject: Re: CPS Sucks!
Date: May 15, 2008
Hey Mr Hankins, I doubt if there ever will be a chance again but, ff you ever have the same type of hassle again I suggest you take digital pics or movies of the "New parts"and post it to YouTube for all to see.. Hope it never happens again, BaronVonEvil ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:09 PM Subject: Kolb-List: CPS Sucks! > > I finally got credited for the corroded piston pins that I returned to > CPS, or sort of. For the privilege of returning DEFECTIVE parts , I was > charged a $14.49 restocking fee. I guess that means some other poor sap > is going to receive my corroded piston pins and be told to "scotch bright" > the rust off as I was. Please humor me as I try to steer enough customers > away from them as possible. They are too far away to show up and take > $14.49 out of their hide, but I would sure like to. > > Can you say "not happy" boys and girls? > > -------- > Roger in Oregon > 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183398#183398 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 16, 2008
my cheep 1/2" air driver has been THE most useful tool. In my case, >> Hi Robert, I am constantly surprised by the level of equipment which the average American hobbyist seems to have. and the skills to use it. I can think of nowhere outside a professional shop which would have a compressor and air lines driven tools. I remember many years ago visiting an American D I Y Store and was astounded by the selection of replacement lawnmower engines which were available off the shelf. I have never seen a replacement engine in the UK. Unless they are really keen a battery powered hand drill and a few woodworking tools are about the usual. Because I grew up in a timber and builders merchants I may have leanings toward wood and it could be that in the Midlands (about the centre of England) which used to be the manufacturing centre of the UK things are different. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 16, 2008
Language is a funny thing. What is a "power driven spanner" ?>> Hi Eugene, perhaps that is a poor description. I meant a device which grips a nut (as in nut and bolt) and turns it without the application of manual strength. Reminds me of the old joke "I call my girl friend Spanner, because when she walks by my nuts tighten up` Apologies to the few females on the list. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 16, 2008
A very handy devise>> Hi Tony, pursuing the semantics. Is that a typo or regular spelling. We would say `device`, although we may `devise` a way of doing something.. Incidentally I notice that many on the list use `breakes` to slow their plane down while we would use `brakes`. Same problem? Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 16, 2008
Often used to put a tire (sorry, tyre) on, when it shouldn't. >> Hi Russ, The complexities of language. We would not put a tyre (ot tire) on like that. We would would put the WHEEL on like that, and use `wheel nuts` and the instrument you describe, rattle gun, is always used in specialist Tyre and Exhaust outlets and on assembly lines and can be set to a pre arranged torque. Putting the Tyre (or Tire) on the wheel (or rim) is a different process. I think that you generally use `wrench` when we would use `spanner`. A device to grip a nut. A `wrench` to us is usually a longer handled tool with a gripping device, usually adjustable, on one end. Churchill said `Two great countries divided by the same language` Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2008
From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway
I'm not sure ,but didn't jetpilot say something about a turtle whistle ? ----- Original Message ---- From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:49:13 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Deer and Turtles On the Runway At 06:32 PM 5/15/2008, ross richardson wrote: >We see a deer now and then but have a turtle problem. They don't stand out >like the deer and tend to blend in to the grass until your ready to set it >down. A friend and I hit one in his Challenger and bent the noise wheel. >We spent the rest of the week end walking the runway spray painting every >one we found with a bright orange marking paint. ...mystifying wildlife biologists for the next decade... :) -Dana -- Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um.... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: trim
At 05:48 AM 5/16/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >I think that you generally use `wrench` when we would use `spanner`. A >device to grip a nut. A `wrench` to us is usually a longer handled tool >with a gripping device, usually adjustable, on one end. OK, now I'm confused. We have: Wrench: anything that is intended to turn a nut or bolt, which can include: -Socket wrench: combination of a rachet handle and interchangeable snap-on sockets, which grip the nut on all six sides (note that "Snap-On" is also a brand name, considered by many to be the finest available) -Open end wrench: fork ended thingy in various sizes, anywhere from several inches to several feet long -Box wrench: similar to the open end, but fully encircles the nut like a socket (often in combination with an open end wrench, one on each end, to make a "combination wrench" -Adjustable wrench: an open end wrench with a worm screw adjustment for different sizes (often called a "Crescent wrench" after one of the most popular manufacturers) -Monkey wrench: an adjustable wrench with the jaws at 90 to the handle, usually larger than a crescent wrench, usually used for plumbing -Pipe wrench: also for plumbing, an adjustable wrench with a floating head and teeth to grip a smooth sided pipe -Impact wrench and air ratchet: power driven devices that you use with sockets So which one is a "spanner"? >Incidentally I notice that many on the list use `breakes` to slow their >plane down while we would use `brakes`. Same problem? BRAKES slow your plane down whether you're in the UK or America. BREAKS are something that's broken (yes, a misspelling, not an "Americanism"). -Dana -- Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 16, 2008
roughly 75% of americans can spell. -some just don't care. Monkey wrench also called Ford wrench because Ford at one time included one, with logo upon it, with the car. I have a couple and a 29 Tudor. Spud wrench, for the toilet (loo) tank connection gland nut Chain wrench crow foot... too many to list, try here for a good compilation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrench BB, Kolb MkIII, flew first of the season on wednesday On 16, May 2008, at 7:43 AM, Dana Hague wrote: > > At 05:48 AM 5/16/2008, pj.ladd wrote: > >> I think that you generally use `wrench` when we would use >> `spanner`. A device to grip a nut. A `wrench` to us is usually a >> longer handled tool with a gripping device, usually adjustable, >> on one end. > > OK, now I'm confused. We have: > > Wrench: anything that is intended to turn a nut or bolt, which can > include: > -Socket wrench: combination of a rachet handle and > interchangeable snap-on sockets, which grip the nut on all six > sides (note that "Snap-On" is also a brand name, considered by many > to be the finest available) > -Open end wrench: fork ended thingy in various sizes, > anywhere from several inches to several feet long > -Box wrench: similar to the open end, but fully encircles > the nut like a socket (often in combination with an open end > wrench, one on each end, to make a "combination wrench" > -Adjustable wrench: an open end wrench with a worm screw > adjustment for different sizes (often called a "Crescent wrench" > after one of the most popular manufacturers) > -Monkey wrench: an adjustable wrench with the jaws at 90=B0 > to the handle, usually larger than a crescent wrench, usually used > for plumbing > -Pipe wrench: also for plumbing, an adjustable wrench with > a floating head and teeth to grip a smooth sided pipe > -Impact wrench and air ratchet: power driven devices that > you use with sockets > > So which one is a "spanner"? > >> Incidentally I notice that many on the list use `breakes` to slow >> their plane down while we would use `brakes`. Same problem? > > BRAKES slow your plane down whether you're in the UK or America. > BREAKS are something that's broken (yes, a misspelling, not an > "Americanism"). > > -Dana > > > -- > Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the > ark. Professionals built the Titanic. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway
Date: May 16, 2008
FWIW - I've seen a hundred sheep sharing the runway with aircraft, gliders and their tugs, in Holland. Pilots just keep roaring out in a jeep & scaring them away repeatedly, until they keep to 'their end'. Labor-intensive, but it does work, even tho sheep are dumber than cows. At least their droppings are smaller than a cow's 'slick pies'. Wonder if cattle-prods would be an acceptable option ? Nasty thing to do to a nice cow, but -- do not archive. On May 16, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Flycrazy8(at)aol.com wrote: > You guys have it lucky ..... At least those critters cross the > runway then is off..... These Cows we have just homestead on the > runway.... You can only scare them once..... Then they just ignore > the noisy big skeeeters.....and when they do finally move they > leave all these slick mines all over the place to run over and if > your lucky to have an enclosed cockpit all you end up with is the > stuff all over your Kolb.... :-)) > > stephen baxley > 2003 Firefly > L . A. ( lower Alabama) > > > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ross richardson <smlplanet(at)msn.com>
Subject: Deer and Turtles On the Runway
Date: May 16, 2008
He may have but the only real problem is that turtles don't move fast enoug h to get out of the way. Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 04:15:33 -0700From: gaman(at)att.netSubject: Re: Kolb-L ist: Deer and Turtles On the RunwayTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com I'm not sure ,but didn't jetpilot say something about a turtle whistle ? ----- Original Message ----From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>To: kolb -list(at)matronics.comSent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:49:13 PMSubject: Re: Kolb -List: Deer and Turtles On the Runway ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Date: May 16, 2008
Is this for use in flight, or on the ground to refuel? Jim N. Idaho -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183473#183473 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 16, 2008
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? > > Is this for use in flight, or on the ground to refuel? > > Jim > N. Idaho Jim, It was my understanding Mark planned on transferring fuel in-flight. Here's Mark's reply to me. >My goal is to install this system in a portable 5 Gallon > Plastic Fuel Can so I can strap it in the back seat when > I need the extra range... So, in answer to your question, yes, it appears so. Mike "Dudley" Welch MkIIICX _________________________________________________________________ Change the world with e-mail. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2008
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: trim
At 07:43 AM 5/16/2008, you wrote: > >At 05:48 AM 5/16/2008, pj.ladd wrote: > >OK, now I'm confused. We have: > >Wrench: anything that is intended to turn a nut or bolt, which can include: AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into wrench that grips cylinder head bolts last tightened 2 years ago by someone using RED loctight, and rounds them off. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate thin walled aluminum tubing not far from the bolt you are trying to "tap" in.. MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on boxes containing seats and fabric containers. ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning steel Pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age, but it also works great for drilling mounting holes in fabric just to the left of the rib you are trying to hit. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VICE-GRIPS: Also used to round off bolt heads. When nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your garage on fire. Also handy for igniting the fumes inside the wing that your just painted yesterday. WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1" socket you've been searching for the last 15 minutes. DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted part you were drying. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans rust off small parts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls and hard-earned guitar callouses in about the time it takes you to say, "Ouc...." E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and is ten times harder than any known drill bit. CRAFTSMAN 1 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large motor mount prying tool that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end without the handle. AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of $100 per gallon aircraft paint and splash it on your shirt; can also be used, as the name implies, to round off Phillips screw heads. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal 12 ft leading edge surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part. HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to cut fuel lines 1 inch too short. ICE SCRAPER: To scrape frost off plexiglass so you can use the big scratches as a marker to set pitch. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Date: May 16, 2008
I put one of these in my 220HP 4-seater experimental. I don't use it much (prime & emergency), but it should transfer 5 gallons in 10 minutes. With no moving parts, it should last forever. I would probably plug it into my cigarette lighter jack when I wanted to transfer fuel. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183486#183486 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 16, 2008
I do not like " In Tank " fuel pumps for this application, you are just looking for problems mounting it in the tank with wires etc. Sounds like an inflight emergency or fire waiting to happen. I use the Facet pump Jim was talking about, it transfers 6 gallons in about 10 minutes, works very well, and is fool proof, and much easier to install than some " In tank " pump. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183487#183487 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 16, 2008
I really hate it when those turtles run out on the runway in front of me as I am trying to land. The worst part is, at the last second they start darting back and fourth not knowing which way to go, so its even harder to avoid them ! A turtle whistle is a great idea to scare em off :) Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183488#183488 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 100LL long term vs. alkie
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 16, 2008
Dan is Correct, The term 100 LOW LEAD is outright dishonest and misleading. 100LL Avgas has many times more lead in it than the old leaded car gas used to have. Avgas would be better named 100 LWL... 100 Loaded With Lead. JettPilot -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183492#183492 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 16, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Hi Jim I'm Looking to design an In flight transfer system....=C2- I found some 12 Volt in tank pumps on E-Bay that might be just the ticket.. Mark =C2- -----Original Message----- From: jim <jim@tru-cast.com> Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 4:39 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Is this for use in flight, or on the ground to refuel? Jim N. Idaho -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183473#183473 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 16, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Hi JIm=C2- Thanks for the =C2-Pump link...... That has possibilities.... Mark -----Original Message----- From: jim <jim@tru-cast.com> Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 7:21 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? I put one of these in my 220HP 4-seater experimental. I don't use it much (prime & emergency), but it should transfer 5 gallons in 10 minutes. With n o moving parts, it should last forever. I would probably plug it into my cigarette lighter jack when I wanted to transfer fuel. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183486#183486 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest Winners
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 16, 2008
Hi all from Monument Valley; Judge Phil summed up the Contest as: This Photo Contest is unfair. It is not right trying to pick just one of these great photos. Everyone of these photos deserves to be #1. They really capture the fun that all of you have had. The List of Winners and their Photos can be found at: http://home.tx.rr.com/bom_2008//MV_Winners-Scenery.pdf 1.2 MB http://home.tx.rr.com/bom_2008/MV_Winners-Airplane.pdf 1.3 MB http://home.tx.rr.com/bom_2008/MV_Winners-Kolbers.pdf 1.2 MB -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1615 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183506#183506 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 16, 2008
> > I do not like " In Tank " fuel pumps for this application, you are just looking for problems mounting it in the tank with wires etc. Sounds like an inflight emergency or fire waiting to happen. > > I use the Facet pump Jim was talking about, it transfers 6 gallons in about 10 minutes, works very well, and is fool proof, and much easier to install than some " In tank " pump. > > Mike Mike, You opine about something you are obviously NOT familiar with. There are literally MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS of in-tank fuel pumps. In fact, it is virtually impossible to purchase a new vehicle in the United States without an in-tank fuel pump. 99.999% of vehicles with fuel injection come with in-tank fuel pumps. And you just about can't buy a car without fuel injection, and ALL fuel injection cars use in-tank fuel pumps!! Why?? Because they are UNSAFE?? NO!! Because they ARE SAFE!!! FYI, your "wires, etc." make it sound like the boogie man is going to somehow get you. In-tank type pumps use what's known as "BRUSHLESS" motors. That means there aren't any "sparks" or "wires, etc." to create a problem. Brushless motors use electrical current to make the rotor rotate. Not brushes and electrical sparking! They don't have any way on earth to create a fire hazard. Otherwise, why would EVERY automobile manufacturer on Earth be using them??? The "wires" hook up outside the tank. There's no more likeliness of a problem with these wires than with any other wiring in your plane. Lastly, since Mark suggested he was planning to use this fuel transfer "in-flight", he would want his fuel pick-up to be solidly mounted, at the bottom of the tank, with NO chance of shifting due to turbulence. By just inserting a tube down inside a container does not insure it is going to be sucking up fuel correctly at the bottom of the tank. By mounting an in-tank pump PROPERLY, the suction point of the pump is solidly fixed in one spot, at the bottom of the tank, surrounded by a filtering screen. Done correctly, especially during inflight situations where you can't "jiggle" the suction tube, an in-tank pump can well be one of, if not THE most dependable pumps available! In fact, this is EXACTLY my fuel delivery arrangement for my GEO 1.0L fuel injected engine. The danger is not knowing anything about the information you espouse. If you own a vehicle, it has an in-tank fuel pump. Mike "Dudley" Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 17, 2008
Just looked at the Aircraft Spruce site. There was one warning down the bottom of the page; > Note: The pumps above do not feature an anti-siphoning valve and fuel will flow through them in event of pump failure. Worth keeping in mind. David. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183517#183517 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 17, 2008
> I do not like " In Tank " fuel pumps for this application, you are just looking for problems mounting it in the tank with wires etc. Sounds like an inflight emergency or fire waiting to happen. Think it's more of a 'psychological' barrier than a 'technical' issue Mike. I assume from your 'JetPilot' handle that you would know that most, if not all of the 'heavy iron' use low pressure fuel pumps that are embedded into the tank or collector tank of the fuel system. More than that, they even plan on using the fuel passing through them both as a lubricant of the moving parts of the pump and to cool it (the punp) as well, and also to heat the fuel which may be cold soaked. But of course these system are tested extensively before even getting anywhere near an aircraft. Still, the experience of the Auto industry backs up the logic of the application. Still, I have certain reservations about it as you do, but then again, is it safe to get out of bed this morning ? David. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183518#183518 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 17, 2008
In this part of the world the v is correct. I have confirmed that with she that knows best.Isnt it great that we all speek the same language.. Sometimes with other words z and s seem to get a bit confused as well. Tony MK111C 503 Downunder ----- Original Message ----- From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim > > A very handy devise>> > > Hi Tony, > pursuing the semantics. Is that a typo or regular spelling. We would say > `device`, although we may `devise` a way of doing something.. > Incidentally I notice that many on the list use `breakes` to slow their > plane down while we would use `brakes`. Same problem? > > Pat > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 17, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Guys=C2- agree they are safe for their intended use but ARE! =C2-they safe for my i ntended use ? I'm my case the safe factor extends to reliability... =C2-In a car you jus t pull off to the side of the road.. Given that It will be tough to tell when =C2-the Pump is running dry, =C2 -Ware on the pump is a concern... Running Dry=C2-i would suspect will affects future reliability.. Given they weren't designed for my intended use "are they SAFE" IMO seem to be a fair question .. BUT i guess that's why I we fly EXPERIMENTALS=C2-HUH! 8-) hahahaha Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:38 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? > > I do not like " In Tank " fuel pumps for this application, you are just looking for problems mounting it in the tank with wires etc. Sounds like an inflight emergency or fire waiting to happen. > > I use the Facet pump Jim was talking about, it transfers 6 gallons in abou t 10 minutes, works very well, and is fool proof, and much easier to install than some " In tank " pump. > > Mike Mike, You opine about something you are obviously NOT familiar with. There are literally MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS of in-tank fuel pumps. In fact , it is virtually impossible to purchase a new vehicle in the United States witho ut an in-tank fuel pump. 99.999% of vehicles with fuel injection come with in- tank fuel pumps. And you just about can't buy a car without fuel injection, and ALL fuel injection cars use in-tank fuel pumps!! Why?? Because they are UNSAFE ?? NO!! Because they ARE SAFE!!! FYI, your "wires, etc." make it sound like the boogie man is going to some how get you. In-tank type pumps use what's known as "BRUSHLESS" motors. That m eans there aren't any "sparks" or "wires, etc." to create a problem. Brushless motors use electrical current to make the rotor rotate. Not brush es and electrical sparking! They don't have any way on earth to create a fire hazard. Otherwise, why would EVERY automobile manufacturer on Earth be usin g them??? The "wires" hook up outside the tank. There's no more likeliness o f a problem with these wires than with any other wiring in your plane. Lastly, since Mark suggested he was planning to use this fuel transfer "in-flight", he would want his fuel pick-up to be solidly mounted, at the bo ttom of the tank, with NO chance of shifting due to turbulence. By just insertin g a tube down inside a container does not insure it is going to be sucking up fu el correctly at the bottom of the tank. By mounting an in-tank pump PROPERLY, the suction point of the pump is solidly fixed in one spot, at the bottom of the tank, surrounded by a filtering screen. Done correctly, especially during inflight situations where you can't "jig gle" the suction tube, an in-tank pump can well be one of, if not THE most depend able pumps available! In fact, this is EXACTLY my fuel delivery arrangement for my GEO 1.0L fuel injected engine. The danger is not knowing anything about the information you espouse. If you own a vehicle, it has an in-tank fuel pump. Mike "Dudley" Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_R efresh_family_safety_052008 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 17, 2008
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Aircraft are not toys
Aircraft are not toys! They can be dangerous and should be treated as such. While it looks fun, and it is, you need to act responsibly while operating an aircraft of any type. "Saftey First" - that's what comes to mind. So I was thinking - how hard could it be to put a paintball gun on an utralight?? The fun we could have with that! Not so hard, I decided, after I dusted off my old sniper semi-auto rifle downstairs. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5232234046747826901&hl=en Film at 11:00 Not really - it think the film would be frowned on by the powers that be. Even my wife ask "How could you do that to a buzzard?" Actually it's easy - you just have to lead them a little more than a goose. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: May 17, 2008
Subject: Re: Aircraft are not toys
Yeah, I put one on my FS II about 5 years ago, just about like you did. Worked fair out to maybe 20 yards, but the ball slowed down real fast after that [even with the pressure cranked up all the way]. Be careful on your strafing runs.............. Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 5/17/2008 6:58:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, possums(at)bellsouth.net writes: So I was thinking - how hard could it be to put a paintball gun on an utralight?? The fun we could have with that! **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 17, 2008
Kolb Flyers, I am very well aware that there are millions of in tank transfer pumps in use in all sorts of things, including the airplanes I fly and the cars I drive. The important fact in these vehicles is that the tanks are designed from the start to have such a pump installed, and have very secrue mounting built in, and the pumps and wiring are well engineered and tested for each type of tank. If you get a plastic 5 gallon tank, and then stick a cheap ebay pump into it, fly it in an ultralight with constant vibration and turbulence, everything changes, you now have a fire or other problems waiting to happen. The Facet pump I recommend is a much safer, and more reliable option used in hundreds and hundreds of experimental / ultralight aircraft with all sorts of different tanks. Now given the surely fatal results of an in flight fire, why would anyone want to be the test case for an in tank pump when such a better, safe, and well tested option is readily available ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183618#183618 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 17, 2008
From: Dudley <airspeedx3(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
> Guys > agree they are safe for their intended use but ARE! they > safe for my intended use ? > I'm my case the safe factor extends to reliability... > In a car you just pull off to the side of the road.. > Given that It will be tough to tell when the Pump is > running dry, Ware on the pump is a concern... Mark, You are free to do as you please, of course, but I wouldn't give an in-tank pump's safety a second thought. The pump is DESIGNED to go into a container of gasoline (or diesel). Running it dry once in awhile can't hurt it. It is just a little brushless motor. If you ran out of gas in your car, would you fear that you are at risk?? Of course not!! The advantage of installing the in-tank pump is that it is securely fastened in place, by your mounting flange. It won't move, shift, unadjust, of anything else that would cause it to not work when desired. If you've got gas in the tank, when you flip the switch, it will transfer fuel. It will work EVERY time. It will not blow up, nor will it be harmed to run dry once in awhile. (I wouldn't run it dry ALL the time. It wasn't meant, nor designed to always run dry 100% of the time). But, don't you think the Automobile manufacturers KNEW people would run out of gas occasionally!! And, the fact is, I have NEVER EVER seen a car fire, that was caused by the fuel pump. Overheated engines. Yes! Electrical fires. Yes! Debri trapped under the car, touching the exhaust. Yes! Lots of car fires. But, NONE due to having a properly installed, properly functioning in-tank pump. As I also stated; because I have a GEO engine, and it comes from the factory with fuel injection, I need a high pressure fuel pump. The GEO Company installs in-tank pumps in it's cars. That's why I have installed an in-tank pump in my fuel tank. I have had the engine running a long time ago. Works like a champ. No problems. Best wishes in your decision, Mark, but I, personally, wouldn't sweat it over an in-tank pump. I mean, after all, can a half of a BILLION cars be that unsafe?? This is just MY opinion. I am not arguing with ANYONE!!! If you have a differing view, that's okay. I speak of my experience and opinion. Take it for what it's worth, maybe not much. Dudley MkIIICX ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: trim
Date: May 18, 2008
BTW is a power spanner powered by mains current?Wrenches are always bigger than spanners?>> Hi Russ, this is getting out of hand. We always use `spanner`, either `open ended` or a closed `ring spanner`. Next step up would be a ratchet spanner with interchangeable size sockets. to fit various sized nuts. Next up the powered variety.Usually used at a professional level. Kiwk Fit (do you have those?) or assembly line workers or those doing a repetitive job, changind car/lorry wheels for instance. Usually compressed air driven although I believe a battery operated tool is an option. Never seen one. When sizes begin to go up we would probably use `wrench`. Particularly a Stillson Wrench which is adjustable for really heavy work. Removing lorry wheel nuts without power for instance. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway
Date: May 18, 2008
say something about a turtle whistle ?>> Is this thread a gag? We don`t have turtles over here but a whistle would be the last thing I would think of for something that looks like a tortoise.. `Dashing about on the runway` I thought these things moved a foot every three hundred years. I have always associated turtles with the swimming variety. just a swimming tortoise. My solution would be a sledge hammer hanging beneath the plane and then you could fly along the runway a few feet up and knock the turtles out of the way like a croquet ball. I have the feeling that my education is going to be extended in the near future Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ron Hoyt <rrhoyt_list(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Droop wingtips project (photos included, caution dial-up
guys)
Date: May 18, 2008
Very nice work I agree -Lots of effort Ron Dudley wrote: > > Kolb guys, and ladies. > > For those that have been paying attention, I present to > you my home-made droop tips. > I quickly state that making your own is NOT worth it!!! > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway
Date: May 18, 2008
Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um....>> I like that. Never heard it before Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 18, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 100LL long term vs. alkie
At 09:02 PM 5/16/2008, JetPilot wrote: >The term 100 LOW LEAD is outright dishonest and misleading. 100LL Avgas >has many times more lead in it than the old leaded car gas used to have. It's not dishonest or misleading at all. 100LL has about twice the lead that car gas used to have, but it wasn't intended to be compared with car gas; 100LL has less than half the lead of the 100/130 avgas it replaced. Interestingly, I just came across this: "Avgas 82 UL This is a relatively new grade aimed at the low compression ratio engines which don't need the high octane of Avgas 100 and could be designed to run on unleaded fuel. Avgas 82UL is dyed purple and specified in ASTM D 6227." (from <http://www.shell.com/home/content/aviation-en/productservice/aviationfuels/detail/avgasgradesspecs_10081006.html> ) Wonder if/when we'll see it? -Dana -- The difference between a hero and a fool is the outcome. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 18, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
At 12:08 AM 5/18/2008, Dudley wrote: > Running it dry once in awhile can't hurt it. It is just a little > brushless motor. If you ran out of gas in your car, would you fear that > you are at risk?? Of course not!! It depends on the pump, maybe. My Fiero has an in-tank pump, and running it dry WILL fry the pump (the plastic components will MELT). Maybe not the first time, but for sure the second or third time, Fiero owners know to avoid letting the tank get less than 1/4 full (and it's a royal PITA to replace, ask me how I know!). The pump design relies on fuel to cool it during normal operation. >And, the fact is, I have NEVER EVER seen a car fire, that was caused by >the fuel pump... True, fire or explosion inside a properly closed gas tank is almost impossible; the concentration of fuel vapor inside the tank means there isn't enough oxygen available for ignition. Still, if I was installing a fuel pump for inflight transfer, I'd use a Mikuni pulse pump outside the tank... simple, reliable, self priming, and safe -Dana -- The difference between a hero and a fool is the outcome. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 18, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Hi Mike... Honestly I'm not =C2-that worried about a fire caused by the pump.. I'm more concerned=C2-with the pump failing due to repeated ware=C2- from running=C2-it dry on previous flights...=C2- Either =C2-pump will do the job for me..... I just wanted this to be=C2 - a KISS operation... Wanted something simple I can toss in the=C2- back seat=C2-and attache to a fuel line when I need a little more range.. Thanks again.. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Dudley <airspeedx3(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:08 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? > Guys=C2- > agree they are safe for their intended use but ARE! =C2-they > safe for my intended use ? > I'm my case the safe factor extends to reliability... > =C2-In a car you just pull off to the side of the road.. > Given that It will be tough to tell when =C2-the Pump is > running dry, =C2-Ware on the pump is a concern... Mark, You are free to do as you please, of course, but I wouldn't give an in-tan k pump's safety a second thought. The pump is DESIGNED to go into a container of gasoline (or diesel). Running it dry once in awhile can't hurt it. It is just a little brushless motor. If you ran out of gas in your car, would you fear that you are at ri sk?? Of course not!! The advantage of installing the in-tank pump is that it is securely fasten ed in place, by your mounting flange. It won't move, shift, unadjust, of anyth ing else that would cause it to not work when desired. If you've got gas in the tank, when you flip the switch, it will transfer fu el. It will work EVERY time. It will not blow up, nor will it be harmed to run dry once in awhile. (I wouldn't run it dry ALL the time. It wasn't meant, nor designed to always run dry 100% of the time). But, don't you think the Automobile manufacturers KNEW people would run out of gas occasionally!! And, the fact is, I have NEVER EVER seen a car fire, that was caused by the fuel pump. Overheated engines. Yes! Electrical fires. Yes! Debri trapped under the car, touching the exhaust. Yes! Lots of car fires. But, NONE due to having a properly installed, properly functioning in-tank pump. As I also stated; because I have a GEO engine, and it comes from the facto ry with fuel injection, I need a high pressure fuel pump. The GEO Company inst alls in-tank pumps in it's cars. That's why I have installed an in-tank pump in my fuel tank. I have had the engine running a long time ago. Works like a cha mp. No problems. Best wishes in your decision, Mark, but I, personally, wouldn't sweat it o ver an in-tank pump. I mean, after all, can a half of a BILLION cars be that unsafe?? This is just MY opinion. I am not arguing with ANYONE!!! If you have a differing view, that's okay. I speak of my experience and opinion. Take it for what it's worth, maybe not much. Dudley MkIIICX ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Progress on my VW install
From: "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)hughes.net>
Date: May 18, 2008
This is an a test message to see if I've figured out how to post pictures. If the pics come through everyone can see the progress I'm making of my VW engine install in properation to make the cowling. Rick Lewis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183743#183743 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/my_kolb_cowling_020_180.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/my_kolb_cowling_003_772.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: May 19, 2008
Subject: Re: Firestar Project- gas tank
Bill Sullivan, I have removed the tank from my FireStar a couple of times for cleaning. I did this by cutting a hole, approximately 12" X 12", in the fabric behind the seat (the bulkhead). Then I made a light duty framework of aluminum angle and attached it in place as best I could without drilling any holes into the airframe tubing, just sort of clamped it in place. The bottom edge lies on the cross tube and the two top corners touch against the tubes that are coming up to the square cross tube.tubing at the top . Then glued the fabric onto the framework leaving a nice square hole. This opening is above the cross tube on the bulkhead and on the left side as you look from the tail forward. Can't put it on the other side because of the angled piece of airframe tubing. In order to get the tank through the hole you have to remove the long vertical aileron control rod because it is in the way. The tank can be rotated into a horizontal position and brought out through the hole. Then I made up a flat piece of sheet alum. to use as a cover for the hole, held on with velcro. Since it's located behind the seat, it's not so noticeable. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ In a message dated 5/14/2008 7:34:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, williamtsullivan(at)att.net writes: I was trying to cut the capacity down to 5 gallons without a major fabric job **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Date: May 18, 2008
re: Note: The pumps above do not feature an anti-siphoning valve and fuel will flow through them in event of pump failure. This is not a warning; it is a good thing. On a gravity feed carbureted engine an electric boost pump is not necessary. However, they are often installed as an emergency backup. If the boost and engine-driven fuel pumps are installed in series, you don't want the electric pump to block fuel flow if it fails. If it fails, you want it to allow fuel to get to the engine-driven pump. If installed in parallel, you would have to include a one-way check valve in the installation. -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183771#183771 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Fredrick Kerfoot <fredkt46(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Deer On the Runway
Date: May 19, 2008
Rick, It looks like possums has come up with the solution to your deer proble m. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5232234046747826901&hl=en Fred K I'm having problems with deer on my runway. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_family_safety_052008 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway
Date: May 19, 2008
bunch of woodchuck-holes>> Hi Russ, turtles? we don`t even have woodchucks. In fact we don`t have any nasties, either animal or vegetable. There are stories of a `black creature` which is supposed to inhabit the wilds of Dartmoor and I saw with my own eyes a creature which I am convinced was a cougar ( or same family) while on the Isle of Skye in Scotland a couple of years ago. We have one type of poisonous snake, an adder or viper. I have only seen one in my life. We have nothing like poison ivy. Stinging nettles which sting badly enough to make a toddler cry, and thats it. A veritable Paradise. Of course it does rain a bit. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 19, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
HI David I'm not against an in tank pumps, I like the idea... But it would mean I would have to build the tank.. I'm looking to use an off the shelf fuel can and simply create a system I can transfer fuel from=C2- it to the Main tank safely.. With the suggestions ive=C2-=C2-read I now have an idea=C2- what I'm going to try... Guys =C2-Thanks for all the Brain Storming..=C2- Mark -----Original Message----- From: David Lucas <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Sat, 17 May 2008 4:39 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? > I do not like " In Tank " fuel pumps for this application, you are just looking for problems mounting it in the tank with wires etc. Sounds like an inflight emergency or fire waiting to happen. Think it's more of a 'psychological' barrier than a 'technical' issue Mike. I assume from your 'JetPilot' handle that you would know that most, if not a ll of the 'heavy iron' use low pressure fuel pumps that are embedded into the t ank or collector tank of the fuel system. More than that, they even plan on usin g the fuel passing through them both as a lubricant of the moving parts of the pump and to cool it (the punp) as well, and also to heat the fuel which may be cold soaked. But of course these system are tested extensively before even getting anywhe re near an aircraft. Still, the experience of the Auto industry backs up the lo gic of the application. Still, I have certain reservations about it as you do, but then again, is it safe to get out of bed this morning ? David. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183518#183518 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: May 19, 2008
Mark, I have been using my aux tanks for over 300hrs with no problems at all. My KXP doesn't have a lot of room. I found two 2 1/2 gal plastic gas jugs that would fit behind the seat. I put a top tap through the cap of each tank with a fuel hose and screen long enough to lay on the bottom of the jug like on an RC airplane. I teed the lines together and mounted a facet fuel pump to the left tank. My mount is crude, but has held up well. I bolted the pump to a small square of 1/8" aluminum plate and used velcro to mount the plate to the tank. I used bayonet disconnects on the pump wires. The output from this pump connects to another fitting in the cap to my main tank with a quick disconnect. I mounted an on/off switch in a handy location. The whole thing can be taken out of the plane in less than a minute and packed to the gas station for filling. I have used this feature several times when cruising around. Land in a nearby field, yank out the tanks, walk to the gas station, fill up and walk back. I can post some pictures if you would like. It would be even easier to make up a five gallon size like you want (more room to mount the pump). -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183826#183826 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: turtles
Date: May 19, 2008
huge snapping turtles around here.>> To which I can only replt. Whew! ****** hell. What a dangerous place . Cheers Pat :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: May 19, 2008
George: Here are some quick shots of my setup. I'll be using it to fly 356 air miles to the Rock House this Wednesday to meet up with John H, John W, and Larry and Karen Cottrell. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183894#183894 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080677_108.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080678_142.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080679_587.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080680_184.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080682_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080683_157.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 19, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly Landing Gear Leg Strength Improvement
>FireFlyer's ....................... >I looked at attaching a 1/8 inch diameter cable to the axle to leg >attachment bolt and running it to either the leg attachment bolt in the cage >or to the opposite leg just below the socket. By doing this, the 1.8G >improved to 3.9G for the leg attachment bolt, and to 5.2G when connecting to >the top of the opposite leg just below the socket. > >This may be a good low cost and light weight improvement. More about how >these numbers were calculated can be seen at: > >http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly134.html > >When, I get the parts fabricated and installed, I will put up another page. > FireFlyer's, I finished putting it on today. How it was done can be seen at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly140.html I used a loop of 3/32 inch OD diameter cable as it turned out to be the same strength as a single strand of 1/8 inch cable, but required few parts. The trick was to figure out how to properly pretension the cable. The total added weight was five ounces. Tomorrow if the weather is ok, I hope to see how it reacts to the 681 takeoff and landing. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: CPS Sucks!
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: May 19, 2008
Just to be fair, I must post that after many minutes on hold this morning, CPS agreed to refund the full amount for the returned piston pins. So it would appear that if one keeps one's tracking numbers and doesn't mind spending a good amount of time on the phone, CPS will not rip you off. Mess up your order, lose your return, charge you a restock for returned bad parts-YES; Make it right after many phone calls, YES; Frustrating to do business with, YES; Rip you off, NO. Will I order there again? NO! -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183904#183904 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 19, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Rodger NICE idea... And Its a good thing your Main tank is elevated Them bullet holes up the side could have messed up Christmas hahahaha 8-) Thanks for the pix.. mark -----Original Message----- From: R. Hankins <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 5:43 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? George: Here are some quick shots of my setup. I'll be using it to fly 356 air miles to the Rock House this Wednesday to meet up with John H, John W, and Larry and Karen Cottrell. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183894#183894 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080677_108.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080678_142.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080679_587.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080680_184.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080682_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080683_157.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 19, 2008
Before I built the 20 gal. aluminum tank for my Mark 3, this is what I used. It is a boat tank with the clunk/filter hose extended to reach the bottom of the tank when standing on end. The fuel pump is a faucet. I used it to transfer fuel in flight. It strapped into the passenger seat. I made a fitting that screwed into the 3/4" pipe thread in the cap of the plastic 5 gallon tanks. This fitting also provided a vent for the tank that I was pumping into. Steven Green Mark 3 912 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com>
Subject: Deer On the Runway
Date: May 19, 2008
Now if he had my plans for the propane machine gun sound effects, that would be truly impressive!!! Mike Oak Grove Mo. Kolb Mark III 98% complete, 20% to go! _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fredrick Kerfoot Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:03 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Deer On the Runway Rick, It looks like possums has come up with the solution to your deer problem. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5232234046747826901 <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5232234046747826901&hl=en> &hl=en Fred K I'm having problems with deer on my runway. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. Help protect your kids. <http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Re fresh_family_safety_052008> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 19, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Hi Steve... VERY NICE ! Thats exactly what I want to make.. BTW I like the way Rodger Velcros his pump to his can... Did you install a in line switch to power the pump or is it just plug and play? How long did it take the faucet pump to transfer the 5 Gallons ?? Thanks=C2- Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven Green <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 8:53 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? =C2- Before I built the 20 gal. aluminum tank for my Mark 3, this is what I used.=C2- It is a boat tank with the clunk/filter hose extended to reach the bottom of the tank when standing on end.=C2- The fuel pump is a faucet.=C2- I used it to transfer fuel in flight.=C2- I t strapped into the passenger seat.=C2- I made a fitting that screwed into the 3/4" pipe thread in the cap of the plastic 5 gallon tanks.=C2- This fitt ing also provided a vent for the tank that I was pumping into. =C2- Steven Green Mark 3 912 =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 19, 2008
Mark, I never timed the transfer but the pump is rated at 30 GPH so 5 gallons should take about 10 minutes. If you're close to East Tennessee, $35 will get this one. I no longer need it. If I remember correctly I used Adel clamps to mount the pump to the handle of the tank. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: knowvne(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Hi Steve... VERY NICE ! Thats exactly what I want to make.. BTW I like the way Rodger Velcros his pump to his can... Did you install a in line switch to power the pump or is it just plug and play? How long did it take the faucet pump to transfer the 5 Gallons ?? Thanks Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven Green <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 8:53 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Before I built the 20 gal. aluminum tank for my Mark 3, this is what I used. It is a boat tank with the clunk/filter hose extended to reach the bottom of the tank when standing on end. The fuel pump is a faucet. I used it to transfer fuel in flight. It strapped into the passenger seat. I made a fitting that screwed into the 3/4" pipe thread in the cap of the plastic 5 gallon tanks. This fitting also provided a vent for the tank that I was pumping into. Steven Green Mark 3 912 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 19, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Hi Steve Sorry I'm a bit too far North to take ya up on your offer...... Boston.. And I guess mailing it isn't possible given the contents 8-(=C2- Where can I pick up a Faucet Pump the tubeing and all the fittings Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven Green <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 9:20 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Mark, =C2- I never timed the transfer but the pump is rated at 30 GPH so 5 gallons should take about 10 minutes.=C2- If you're close to E ast Tennessee, $35 will get this one.=C2- I no longer need it.=C2- If I reme mber correctly I used Adel clamps to mount the pump to the handle of the tank. =C2- Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: knowvne(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Hi Steve... VERY NICE ! Thats exactly what I want to make.. BTW I like the way Rodger Velcros his pump to his can... Did you install a in line switch to power the pump or is it just plug and play? How long did it take the faucet pump to transfer the 5 Gallons ?? Thanks=C2- Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven Green Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 8:53 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? =C2- Before I built the 20 gal. aluminum tank for my Mark 3, this is what I used.=C2- It is a boat tank with the clunk/filt er hose extended to reach the bottom of the tank when standing on end.=C2 - The fuel pump is a faucet.=C2- I used it to transfer fuel in flight. =C2- It strapped into the passenger seat.=C2- I made a fitting that screwed into the 3/4" pipe thread in the cap of the plastic 5 gallon tanks.=C2 - This fitting also provided a vent for the tank that I was pumping into. =C2- Steven Green Mark 3 912 =C2- Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: FireFly Landing Gear
Date: May 19, 2008
Y'all; I just did a little country boy figgerin and seems to me, that if you used 1 inch .095 4130 which weighs .918 lbs per foot and 1inch 7075 aluminum weighs .941 lbs to the foot there would be a wee bit of weight savings and a hell of a lot better gear legs. 7075 is no where near being a spring, where heat treated 4130 is a spring if heat treated to Rockwell 48 hardness. You could save even more weight by making the top half out of 1 inch and the bottom half out of 3/4 inch tubing which weighs .664 lbs to the foot. The steel gear puts less stress on the cage than the stiff aluminum rod. But if you enjoy bending aluminum and then straightening it all the time, have fun. Just an idea. Jim Hauck ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Myers" <gmyers(at)grandecom.net>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 19, 2008
Thanks, great pics of good ideas. George Myers San Marcos Tx 1984 Twinstar 582 - N2606T -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of R. Hankins Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? George: Here are some quick shots of my setup. I'll be using it to fly 356 air miles to the Rock House this Wednesday to meet up with John H, John W, and Larry and Karen Cottrell. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183894#183894 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080677_108.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080678_142.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080679_587.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080680_184.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080682_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1080683_157.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 20, 2008
The tank is from Walmart, the fuel pump I bought from Aircraft Spruce. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php ----- Original Message ----- From: knowvne(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Hi Steve Sorry I'm a bit too far North to take ya up on your offer...... Boston.. And I guess mailing it isn't possible given the contents 8-( Where can I pick up a Faucet Pump the tubeing and all the fittings Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven Green <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 9:20 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Mark, I never timed the transfer but the pump is rated at 30 GPH so 5 gallons should take about 10 minutes. If you're close to East Tennessee, $35 will get this one. I no longer need it. If I remember correctly I used Adel clamps to mount the pump to the handle of the tank. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: knowvne(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Hi Steve... VERY NICE ! Thats exactly what I want to make.. BTW I like the way Rodger Velcros his pump to his can... Did you install a in line switch to power the pump or is it just plug and play? How long did it take the faucet pump to transfer the 5 Gallons ?? Thanks Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven Green <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 8:53 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Before I built the 20 gal. aluminum tank for my Mark 3, this is what I used. It is a boat tank with the clunk/filter hose extended to reach the bottom of the tank when standing on end. The fuel pump is a faucet. I used it to transfer fuel in flight. It strapped into the passenger seat. I made a fitting that screwed into the 3/4" pipe thread in the cap of the plastic 5 gallon tanks. This fitting also provided a vent for the tank that I was pumping into. Steven Green Mark 3 912 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: turtles
Date: May 20, 2008
Every few years we get some in the lake>> Hi Dana Best of luck. Nearest I have been to a turtle is the sea going variety and I grabbed his shell as it swim past and enjoyed a great ride for as long as my breath held out.. Surprising amount of power when he surged ahead when I grabbed him. Just like opening the throttle on a Kolb. See, it was flying related. Pat :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly Landing Gear
> > >Just an idea. > Jim, It is a good idea. I am caught with what I have and how to make the best of it. If the cable system doesn't do the job I will be more inclined to going with the steel. In eight years, I have had two incidents that ended with bent legs. I have invested in two new aluminum legs that weigh two pounds each, and a Harbor Freight floor press so that I can straighten legs. At my age I believe I have all the legs I will need. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 20, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Steve THANKS! BTW does the pump=C2-orientation matter for it to work?? Mounting holes Vertical or Horizontal ??? I was thinking of bolting it to a piece of Delrin then I could Velcro=C2-it to the side of a fuel can.... =C2- An easy in and out set up... Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven Green <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, 20 May 2008 5:09 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? The tank is from Walmart, the fuel pump I bought from Aircraft Spruce. =C2- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php =C2- =C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: knowvne(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Hi Steve Sorry I'm a bit too far North to take ya up on your offer...... Boston.. And I guess mailing it isn't possible given the contents 8-(=C2- Where can I pick up a Faucet Pump the tubeing and all the fittings Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven Green <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 9:20 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Mark, =C2- I never timed the transfer but the pump is rated at 30 GPH so 5 gallons should take about 10 minutes.=C2- If you're close to East Tennessee, $35 will get this one.=C2- I no longer need it.=C2- If I remember correctly I used Adel clamps to mount the pump to the handle of t he tank. =C2- Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: knowvne(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Hi Steve... VERY NICE ! Thats exactly what I want to make.. BTW I like the way Rodger Velcros his pump to his can... Did you install a in line switch to power the pump or is it just plug and play? How long did it take the faucet pump to transfer the 5 Gallons ?? Thanks=C2- Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven Green <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 8:53 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? =C2- Before I built the 20 gal. aluminum tank for my Mark 3, this is what I used.=C2- It is a boat tank with the clunk/filter hose extended to reach the bottom of the tank when standi ng on end.=C2- The fuel pump is a faucet.=C2- I used it to transfer f uel in flight.=C2- It strapped into the passenger seat.=C2- I made a fitting that screwed into the 3/4" pipe thread in the cap of the plast ic 5 gallon tanks.=C2- This fitting also provided a vent for the tank tha t I was pumping into. =C2- Steven Green Mark 3 912 =C2- Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2008
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Firefly landing legs
Jack- What size and type of wheels and tires are you currently running? Also, regarding Jim Hauck's comments on steel legs- I thought factory legs were a type of aluminum spring. Pound for pound, aluminum is supposed to be stronger. With steel legs being lighter, wouldn't they be weaker? How about an opinion from an engineering standpoint. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com>
Subject: Re: FireFly Landing Gear
Date: May 20, 2008
ROCKWELL 48 IS TO HARD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:28 PM Subject: Fw: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Landing Gear > > Y'all; > > I just did a little country boy figgerin and seems to me, that if you used 1 > inch .095 4130 which weighs .918 lbs per foot and 1inch 7075 aluminum weighs > .941 lbs to the foot there would be a wee bit of weight savings and a hell > of a lot better gear legs. > > 7075 is no where near being a spring, where heat treated 4130 is a spring if > heat treated to Rockwell 48 hardness. > > You could save even more weight by making the top half out of 1 inch and the > bottom half out of 3/4 inch tubing which weighs .664 lbs to the foot. > > The steel gear puts less stress on the cage than the stiff aluminum rod. > > But if you enjoy bending aluminum and then straightening it all the time, > have fun. > > Just an idea. > > Jim Hauck > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FireFly Landing Gear
Jack , A little off subject ,but not really I am building a firefly and won der about my weight and the Alum . gear legs . How much do you weigh?- I weigh 210 and wonder about the alum.. gear legs ,maybe I should go for the steel legs I have 490 hrs in a KXP- with a 503- the landing might be a little different as I wasn't disabled when I flew the Firestar as I am now. Thank you Chris Davis=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jack B. Hart =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue sday, May 20, 2008 9:36:18 AM=0ASubject: Re: Fw: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Lan essage posted by: "Jim Hauck" =0A>=0A>=0A>Just an i dea.=0A>=0A=0AJim,=0A=0AIt is a good idea.- I am caught with what I have and how to make the best of =0Ait.- If the cable system doesn't do the jo b I will be more inclined to going =0Awith the steel.- In eight years, I have had two incidents that ended with =0Abent legs.- I have invested in two new aluminum legs that weigh two pounds =0Aeach, and a Harbor Freight f loor press so that I can straighten legs.- At my =0Aage I believe I have all the legs I will need.=0A=0AJack B. Hart FF004=0AWinchester, IN=0A=0A=0A ===0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: turtles
Date: May 20, 2008
Pat If you can push down hard enuf on the rear of a big turtle's shell, while also holding onto the front just behind his head, he'll angle up like a Kolb on takeoff. This gets your head above water & you can ride for as long as your arms hold out! Much fun. Russ On May 20, 2008, at 7:37 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > Every few years we get some in the lake>> > > Hi Dana > > Best of luck. Nearest I have been to a turtle is the sea going > variety and I grabbed his shell as it swim past and enjoyed a great > ride for as long as my breath held out.. Surprising amount of power > when he surged ahead when I grabbed him. > > Just like opening the throttle on a Kolb. See, it was flying related. > > Pat :-) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: turtles
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 20, 2008
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > Every few years we get some in the lake>> > > Hi Dana > > Best of luck. Nearest I have been to a turtle is the sea going variety and I grabbed his shell as it swim past and enjoyed a great ride for as long as my breath held out.. Surprising amount of power when he surged ahead when I grabbed him. > > I tried that once in Hawaii, but just as I was about to grab on, he turned around mouth wide open and tried to take a chunk out of me [Shocked] Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184071#184071 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 20, 2008
Mark, I'm glad to see that you are going with a well tested, safe pump. The Facet pump will work in any orientation. The fact that you can buy the facet pump from Lockwood, Aircraft Spruce, and CPS should have clued most of the guys in that were giving you bad advice. Some of these guys are pretty quick to hand out bad advice... Talk is cheap, but I wonder how many of them would actually be foolish enough to drop in a cheap Ebay pump into a plastic tank not designed for it in flight ? Maybe a couple here want to be there for their own barbecue, but from what I read, most people will jump out of a burning airplane, parachute or not, before they will be burned alive. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184073#184073 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 20, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
HI Mike I can't say with any certainty that their advice was bad as I haven't used o r tested what they said... My experiences has taught me their is always more than one way=C2- to pluck a goose... I prefer WAX, Some Boil... =C2-All get er done.... I can say that In my 25 years of flying I've learned its what I DONT know I =C2-don't know=C2- that can bite.....=C2-None of us know it all so brainstorming ideas in my mind is always a=C2- good thing and=C2-That's the beauty of these types of on line Campfires... . Sharing ideas.. Even with a proven method I'll test it to MY satisfaction before I rely on i t.. Not to say I don't trust others ideas but the OTHERS didn't build mine and i t's my butt=C2- thats on the fence.... Regarding the in flight fire an Jumping......=C2-Not me I'd spit alot and find a lake. hahahahaha 8-) One =C2-good thing about what I''ll be flying is the Flames should=C2-th ey occur, =C2-Will be behind me=C2- so the spitting will be more effective... 8-) HAHAHA Thanks again for all the good ideas... =C2-Time to create a parts List.... Experiment,=C2-=C2-the Wrights didn't have a pilots licence either... Mark -----Original Message----- From: JetPilot <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tue, 20 May 2008 2:15 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Mark, I'm glad to see that you are going with a well tested, safe pump. The Facet pump will work in any orientation. The fact that you can buy the facet pump from Lockwood, Aircraft Spruce, and CPS should have clued most of the guys i n that were giving you bad advice. Some of these guys are pretty quick to hand out bad advice... Talk is cheap , but I wonder how many of them would actually be foolish enough to drop in a cheap Ebay pump into a plastic tank not designed for it in flight ? Maybe a couple here want to be there for their own barbecue, but from what I read, m ost people will jump out of a burning airplane, parachute or not, before they wi ll be burned alive. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you cou ld have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184073#184073 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2008
From: Jon LaVasseur <firestar503(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Hi Kolbers, I know I'm late the party on transfer pumps but perhaps my experience will help someone. My system is mounted in a FirestarII where the second seat belongs. It consists of an aluminum box that holds two of the Kolb standard five gallon tanks and a Facet pump. The tanks have top mounted pickup tubes. One tank in the box has the pickup tube modified into a "tee" so the line coming from the the original Kolb five gallon in the rear cage passes through the Facet pump, into one side of the "tee'd" pickup in the first tank and on to the standard pickup tube in the second tank. Between the Kolb cage tank and the Facet pump is a quick disconnedt and between the Tee and the second tank in the box is a second quick disconnect. There is a third quick disconnect on the electrical connection to the Facet pump. The pump switch is mounted under the pilot seat and is spring loaded. The box is a nice complete unit that can be quick-disconnected and lifted out as a unit and the back seat can be functional in about five minutes. The fuel quick connects allow fuel operation with 5, 10 or 15 gallons depending on how far you are flying. With a fuel gage in the original Kolb tank, it is fun to watch the qage go "up" during flight. Jon L. Minnesota ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2008
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: FireFly Landing Gear
---- KOLB AIRCRAFT wrote: > > ROCKWELL 48 IS TO HARD. RC 48 works for me. Been using it for 20+ years. Today was a good test taking off from Soldiers Bar USFS dirt strip in the mountains of Idaho. Beat the crap out of my mkIII Hauck landing gear and legs. They survived the torture. ;-) Me too! Weathered in at Ontario, Oregon, until probably tomorrow some time. Then on to Larry Cottrell's 100 miles southwest. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2008
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: turtles
> I tried that once in Hawaii, but just as I was about to grab on, he turned around mouth wide open and tried to take a chunk out of me [Shocked] > > Mike This a new Kolb model??? The Turtle??? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: May 20, 2008
knowvne(at)aol.com wrote: > Rodger NICE idea... > > And Its a good thing your Main tank is elevated > Them bullet holes up the side could have messed up Christmas hahahaha 8-) > Thanks for the pix.. > > > mark > > > -- Mark, The main tank is sitting on the boom tube. It is an 8 gallon tank out of a Sky Ranger kit. They are under $30 and VERY sturdy. They are 1/2" fatter on the square than the standard tank and quite a bit taller. I had to move the 1/4" crossmember that holds the forward side of the tank to fit it in, but it was worth it for the extra few gallons. As for the bullet holes... You should have seen the other guy :-). I'm all packed up, fueled up and headed to the Rock House in the morning. Even with twelve gallons usable, the last leg is a little iffy if the wind kicks up. Maybe I'll hang some bullet shaped tanks off of the struts for next year. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184117#184117 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Firefly landing legs
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> Jack- What size and type of wheels and tires are you currently running? Also, regarding Jim Hauck's comments on steel legs- I thought factory legs were a type of aluminum spring. Pound for pound, aluminum is supposed to be stronger. With steel legs being lighter, wouldn't they be weaker? How about an opinion from an engineering standpoint. ................. Bill, The wheels are 4" AZUSALITE - AZUS and the tire is CHENG SHIN 260 x 85 or 3.00 - 4 10x3. Anything can be called a spring. But some materials well elastically deform more than others before they take a permanent set and do not return to their original shape. "Pound for pound, aluminum is supposed to be stronger." What is important is the difference in strength for a desirable given shape. In this case a landing gear leg. If you made a pure iron leg the same shape as a pure aluminum leg, the iron leg would be 2.85 times stronger and 2.91 heavier. So if the aluminum leg weighed two pounds the iron leg would 5.83 pounds. But now say you do not make them identical. It has been established engineering wise, that when you try to bend a rod, that most bending load is carried by the material closest to the rod's surface. If this is so then why bother with the center at all? Thus one can use a round tube. If you can throw away enough of the center, then the iron leg weight can approach that of the solid aluminum leg but with some sacrifice in strength from the original iron leg. "With steel legs being lighter, wouldn't they be weaker?" To follow along on the above, very little pure aluminum and iron is used today. Metallurgists discovered how to add different impurities to both aluminum and iron to boost their load carrying ability. Steel, which is much stronger than iron, is formed by adding among other things carbon. In fact 7075-T6 aluminum is equal or stronger than annealed 4130 steel. BUT, if you heat treat the 4130, it can be about three times stronger. This heat treating gives steel the edge. There is another metal property that must be considered. It is called the modulus of elasticity. It describes how much the material will deflect for a given load. In the case of the aluminum and iron leg example given above, it means that the iron/steel leg will deflect about three times more than the aluminum leg for the same load. Or the aluminum leg is stiffer. This means that aluminum is less able to absorb impact and give back energy. In some ways this is good. Bend the leg to absorb energy to save the cage etc. By heat treating the steel you can increase its ability to absorb impact energy and to return it. But there are some trade offs. The more springy you make the leg the more likely the aircraft will want to bounce. This can be countered some what by using large wheels with under inflated tires as a dampening mechanism. Also, as the hardness of the steel is raised, the more difficult it is to drill holes, etc. If the hardness is raised too high, there is no possibility of failure bending. The steel becomes so brittle, it will snap when it is overloaded. And so trade offs must be made. I hope this helps you out. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly Landing Gear
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> Jack , A little off subject ,but not really I am building a firefly and wonder about my weight and the Alum . gear legs . How much do you weigh? I weigh 210 and wonder about the alum.. gear legs ,maybe I should go for the steel legs I have 490 hrs in a KXP with a 503 the landing might be a little different as I wasn't disabled when I flew the Firestar as I am now. ................................................. Chris, Currently, I weigh 177 pounds dry. I have lost 20 pounds in the last year and a half. When I am suited up with avionics vest, cold weather gear, and full fuel load, the FireFly is at or a little over gross weight of 500 pounds. If I am headed to a fly-in I carry at least another 20 pounds of equipment in a luggage space behind the fuel tank. You are welcome, Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 20, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Thanks Jon... If you happen to have any Pix of your set up I=C2- would love to compare them to what other have posted... Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon LaVasseur <firestar503(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tue, 20 May 2008 4:46 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Hi Kolbers, I know I'm late the party on transfer pumps but perhaps my experience will help someone. My system is mounted in a FirestarII where the second seat belongs. It consists of an aluminum box that holds two of the Kolb standard five gallon tanks and a Facet pump. The tanks have top mounted pickup tubes. One tank in the box has the pickup tube modified into a "tee" so the line coming from the the original Kolb five gallon in the rear cage passes through the Facet pump, into one side of the "tee'd" pickup in the first tank and on to the standard pickup tube in the second tank. Between the Kolb cage tank and the Facet pump is a quick disconnedt and between the Tee and the second tank in the box is a second quick disconnect. There is a third quick disconnect on the electrical connection to the Facet pump. The pump switch is mounted under the pilot seat and is spring loaded. The box is a nice complete unit that can be quick-disconnected and lifted out as a unit and the back seat can be functional in about five minutes. The fuel quick connects allow fuel operation with 5, 10 or 15 gallons depending on how far you are flying. With a fuel gage in the original Kolb tank, it is fun to watch the qage go "up" during flight. Jon L. Minnesota ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar?
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Date: May 20, 2008
Donnie and Travis, While we are talking about other ideas... Now I was thinking.....I wonder How many more FireStar Kits them boys down in London could sell if they were to knock off several thousand dollars from its current price????? Now while you are pondering on this foolishness I am not talking about you taking a cut in pay!.. About an hour ago I stopped in at Buckeye PPC in Argos, Ind, and I witnessed an honest 300 lbs of static thrust from their latest design...this is like the runner-up down at Sun-n-fun... Dont get me wrong..I am not taking up those slow flying soft tops... But I think a Firestar with an electric start...300lb thrust 4 stroke burnin about 2 gallons an hour at WOT, with several thousand hours between overhauls and hitting the market at 3 grand less (or more) than currently oughtta revive things down there during this .....well...lets say slow period. trouble is the thrust line is probably to high to just slap one on and hit the starter...it would need a slight redesign of the cage/motor mount area to get the thrust line down to where it is with a rotax. So it will take a little work,, But the benefits would be tremendous I predict. Small investment in engineering....and knock off a ton of cost....seems like it oughtta pencil out. and in case you were not listening...I said an honest 300 lbs...this is 582 thrust men...and it is not hearsay. I have been stopping in there quite a bit in the last year since they won the awards at OshKosh with the Honda powered machine, and this latest Generac powered machine is gonna be a winner. Did I mention he is planning on marketing the engine/redrive package ?...I am sure he would entertain OEM accounts. The market is quickly going to be a 4 stroke market boys. These Engines are coming to us quickly, in fact several are here now..and I think the company that responds to the design changes needed to accommodate these engines will be in the forefront of the revival. I have been hearing so many companies complaining that the Sport pilot rule killed the little plane market. I don't believe it..it was just a coincidence of timing...the price increases over the last few years have had to be a bigger factor. Few products in any market would have responded differently to these increases. And you manufacturers can attribute those increases to one single component. The Kolb Wing design is your biggest asset.....an airframe that will accommodate these engines with a Kolb Wing just HAS to be a great potential seller! PLEASE think hard about this. I fact...print this and pass it upstairs. -------- Don G. Central Illinois Kitfox IV Speedster Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184125#184125 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 20, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
WHEN YOU GET LOW ON FUEL JUST LEAN FORWARD HAHAHA 8-) WORKED IN A HANGGLIDER 8-) GOOD LUCK MARK -----Original Message----- From: R. Hankins <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> Sent: Tue, 20 May 2008 9:26 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? knowvne(at)aol.com wrote: > Rodger NICE idea... > > And Its a good thing your Main tank is elevated > Them bullet holes up the side could have messed up Christmas hahahaha 8-) > Thanks for the pix.. > > > mark > > > -- Mark, The main tank is sitting on the boom tube. It is an 8 gallon tank out of a Sky Ranger kit. They are under $30 and VERY sturdy. They are 1/2" fatter on the square than the standard tank and quite a bit taller. I had to move the 1/4" crossmember that holds the forward side of the tank to fit it in, but it was worth it for the extra few gallons. As for the bullet holes... You should have seen the other guy :-). I'm all packed up, fueled up and headed to the Rock House in the morning. Even with twelve gallons usable, the last leg is a little iffy if the wind kicks up. Maybe I'll hang some bullet shaped tanks off of the struts for next year. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184117#184117 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar?
From: "Dwight" <haydend(at)charter.net>
Date: May 20, 2008
Sharon and Dick Starks Firestar has been running a Big Twin conversion from Valley engineering http://www.culverprops.com/big-twin.php for a year or so now. >From what I've heard it is a great combo with the Generac 990 modified by Valley eng and Valley's re-drive. Valley is using this engine and re-drive on a lot of their planes now. Dwight Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184133#184133 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FS2Kolb(at)aol.com
Date: May 21, 2008
Subject: Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar?
In a message dated 5/20/2008 8:33:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, donghe@one-eleven.net writes: But I think a Firestar with an electric start...300lb thrust 4 stroke burnin about 2 gallons an hour at WOT, with several thousand hours between overhauls _http://www.greenskyadventures.com/EnginePricing/HKS/Kolb/image.htm_ (http://www.greenskyadventures.com/EnginePricing/HKS/Kolb/image.htm) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 21, 2008
these types of on line Campfires.... Sharing ideas..>> on my Xtra the engine , Jabiru, pulls fuel equally from 2 tanks connected by a tee piece. Any reason why I can`t put a spare tank on the passengers seat and just add a quick connect into the same fuel line? Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: turtles
Date: May 21, 2008
he'll angle up like a Kolb on takeoff.>> Hi Russ, didn`t have the time for clever stuff like that and I was in an area where it was forbidden to touch the turtles anyway. I was just grateful that I reacted quickly enough to grab him as he swam by. Great experience. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 21, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Hi Pat Is yours a Gravity feed? Given the pick up in the portable tank will not be affixed to the tank=C2 - at any one point I would fear it might possibly suck air ... I think I'd prefer the transfer method..=C2- I was considering a flexible tube that was weighted and screened .. Think RC type of tank here.. Mark -----Original Message----- From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 5:59 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? =C2-these types of on line Campfires.... Sharing ideas..>> =C2- on my Xtra the engine , Jabiru, pulls fuel equally from 2 tanks connected by a tee piece.=C2- Any reason why I can`t put a sp are tank on the passengers seat and just add a quick connect into the same fuel line? =C2- Cheers =C2- Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
At 05:59 AM 5/21/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >on my Xtra the engine , Jabiru, pulls fuel equally from 2 tanks connected >by a tee piece. Any reason why I can`t put a spare tank on the passengers >seat and just add a quick connect into the same fuel line? Same here (two tee'd tanks on my US). I just added a third tank but I didn't run it into the same line as I didn't want it sucking air when the aux tank ran dry; instead I ran it into the top of one of the main tanks with a rubber grommet and push-in fitting (and yes, a quick disconnect in the line so I can remove the aux tank). -Dana -- Never practice proctology on a porcupine. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Firefly landing legs
Bill, "But there are some trade offs. The more springy you make the leg the more likely the aircraft will want to bounce. This can be countered some what by using large wheels with under inflated tires as a dampening mechanism." I failed to mention that there is another option. That is add metal back to the design or to use thicker wall tubing. If desired, this will stiffen the leg, but it adds weigh and un needed strength. For example carbon fiber wing spars for gliders, if designed to meet strength requirements, are much to flexible. This is countered by adding in twice as much or more carbon fiber to reduce flexure. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly Landing Gear
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> Jack , A little off subject ,but not really I am building a firefly and wonder about my weight and the Alum . gear legs . How much do you weigh? I weigh 210 and wonder about the alum.. gear legs ,maybe I should go for the steel legs I have 490 hrs in a KXP with a 503 the landing might be a little different as I wasn't disabled when I flew the Firestar as I am now. ................................................. Chris, Currently, I weigh 177 pounds dry. I have lost 20 pounds in the last year and a half. When I am suited up with avionics vest, cold weather gear, and full fuel load, the FireFly is at or a little over gross weight of 500 pounds. If I am headed to a fly-in I carry at least another 20 pounds of equipment in a luggage space behind the fuel tank. You are welcome, Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 21, 2008
From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
HYPERLINK "mailto:knowvne(at)aol.com" knowvne(at)aol.com asked: << BTW does the pump orientation matter for it to work?? Mounting holes Vertical or Horizontal ??? >> Mark - The instructions that come with the Facet fuel pump tell you that the ideal installation is for the pump to be level with the bottom of your fuel tank, and oriented with its axis of fuel flow at a 45 degree angle. Of course, you'll see many variations of fuel pump installation that still work, like on Steven Green's setup for his auxiliary transfer tank. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, New Mexico ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ciikie salute!
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
Date: May 21, 2008
Larry, Can you list everyone's name in the photo? (left to right) Thanks -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184190#184190 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: neilsenrm(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar?
Date: May 21, 2008
I think this is a wonderfull idea. I watched that Buckeye fly at Sun N Fun with great intrest. I have no idea how heavy these engines are and that would be the bigest concern. The guys at Valley have designed a redrive that would have to be much smoother than the Buckeye. The Valley redrive was first used with that V twin before they modified it for use on VWs like mine. The guys at Valley have expressed the desire to put this engine on a Firestar to me many times. I'm sure if someone would assure them that they would make a concerted effort and maybe write an article or something they might make them a good deal on a engine. Still toasting (106+ degrees) here in Arizona till Thursday. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net> > > Donnie and Travis, > > While we are talking about other ideas... > > Now I was thinking.....I wonder How many more FireStar Kits them boys down in > London could sell if they were to knock off several thousand dollars from its > current price????? > Now while you are pondering on this foolishness I am not talking about you > taking a cut in pay!.. > > > About an hour ago I stopped in at Buckeye PPC in Argos, Ind, and I witnessed an > honest 300 lbs of static thrust from their latest design...this is like the > runner-up down at Sun-n-fun... > Dont get me wrong..I am not taking up those slow flying soft tops... > > But I think a Firestar with an electric start...300lb thrust 4 stroke burnin > about 2 gallons an hour at WOT, with several thousand hours between overhauls > and hitting the market at 3 grand less (or more) than currently oughtta revive > things down there during this .....well...lets say slow period. > trouble is the thrust line is probably to high to just slap one on and hit the > starter...it would need a slight redesign of the cage/motor mount area to get > the thrust line down to where it is with a rotax. So it will take a little > work,, But the benefits would be tremendous I predict. Small investment in > engineering....and knock off a ton of cost....seems like it oughtta pencil out. > and in case you were not listening...I said an honest 300 lbs...this is 582 > thrust men...and it is not hearsay. I have been stopping in there quite a bit in > the last year since they won the awards at OshKosh with the Honda powered > machine, and this latest Generac powered machine is gonna be a winner. Did I > mention he is planning on marketing the engine/redrive package ?...I am sure he > would entertain OEM accounts. > > The market is quickly going to be a 4 stroke market boys. These Engines are > coming to us quickly, in fact several are here now..and I think the company that > responds to the design changes needed to accommodate these engines will be in > the forefront of the revival. > > I have been hearing so many companies complaining that the Sport pilot rule > killed the little plane market. I don't believe it..it was just a coincidence of > timing...the price increases over the last few years have had to be a bigger > factor. Few products in any market would have responded differently to these > increases. And you manufacturers can attribute those increases to one single > component. > > The Kolb Wing design is your biggest asset.....an airframe that will accommodate > these engines with a Kolb Wing just HAS to be a great potential seller! > > > PLEASE think hard about this. > I fact...print this and pass it upstairs. > > -------- > Don G. > Central Illinois > Kitfox IV Speedster > Luscombe 8A > > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184125#184125 > > > > > > > > > >
I think this is a wonderfull idea. I watched that Buckeye fly at Sun N Fun with great intrest. I have no idea how heavy these engines are and that would be the bigest concern. The guys at Valley have designed a redrive that would have to be much smoother than the Buckeye. The Valley redrive was first used with that V twin before they modified it for use on VWs like mine.

The guys at Valley have expressed the desire to put this engine on a Firestar to me many times. I'm sure if someone would assure them that they would make a concerted effort and maybe write an article or something they might make them a good deal on a engine.

Still toasting (106+ degrees) here in Arizona till Thursday.

Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC

donghe@one-eleven.net>

> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don G" <DONGHE@ONE-ELEVEN.NET>
>
> Donnie and Travis,
>
> While we are talking about other ideas...
>
> Now I was thinking.....I wonder How many more FireStar Kits them boys down in
> London could sell if they were to knock off several thousand dollars from its
> current price?????
> Now while you are pondering on this foolishness I am not talking about you
> taking a cut in pay!..
>
>
> About an hour ago I stopped in at Buckeye PPC in Argos, Ind, and I witnessed an
> honest 300 lbs of static thrust from their latest design...this is like the
> runner-up down at Sun-n-fun...
> Dont get me wrong..I am not taking up those slow flying soft t ops...
>
> But I think a Firestar with an electric start...300lb thrust 4 stroke burnin
> about 2 gallons an hour at WOT, with several thousand hours between overhauls
> and hitting the market at 3 grand less (or more) than currently oughtta revive
> things down there during this .....well...lets say slow period.
> trouble is the thrust line is probably to high to just slap one on and hit the
> starter...it would need a slight redesign of the cage/motor mount area to get
> the thrust line down to where it is with a rotax. So it will take a little
> work,, But the benefits would be tremendous I predict. Small investment in
> engineering....and knock off a ton of cost....seems like it oughtta pencil out.
> and in case you were not listening...I said an honest 300 lbs...this is 582
> thrust men...and it is not hearsay. I have been stopping in there quite a bit in
> the last year since they won t he awa rds at OshKosh with the Honda powered
> machine, and this latest Generac powered machine is gonna be a winner. Did I
> mention he is planning on marketing the engine/redrive package ?...I am sure he
> would entertain OEM accounts.
>
> The market is quickly going to be a 4 stroke market boys. These Engines are
> coming to us quickly, in fact several are here now..and I think the company that
> responds to the design changes needed to accommodate these engines will be in
> the forefront of the revival.
>
> I have been hearing so many companies complaining that the Sport pilot rule
> killed the little plane market. I don't believe it..it was just a coincidence of
> timing...the price increases over the last few years have had to be a bigger
> factor. Few products in any market would have responded differently to these
> increases. And you manufacturers can attribute those increases to one ch &am

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From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: ciikie salute!
Date: May 21, 2008
----- Original Message ----- From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ciikie salute! > > > Larry, > Can you list everyone's name in the photo? (left to right) > Thanks > > -------- > Cristal Certainly, after I punched the send button, I realized that I should have labeled them. That would be Boyd Young, Karen Cottrell, John Hauck, John Williamson, Becky Young, Rick Neilson, and Larry Cottrell. Sorry about the spelling on the subject line, Should have been Cookie Salute. Larry C ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2008
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: Re: ciikie salute!
What I want to know is, why was John so happy? ;-) On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > Certainly, after I punched the send button, I realized that I should have > labeled them. > That would be Boyd Young, Karen Cottrell, John Hauck, John Williamson, Becky > Young, Rick Neilson, and Larry Cottrell. > > Sorry about the spelling on the subject line, Should have been Cookie > Salute. > Larry C ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ciikie salute!
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 21, 2008
Robert L. and all, I don't know what you are talking about, I have my great tasting cookie, sun burnt cheeks and a big smile. That box of cookies from Jon and his wife in Minnesota was a treat at the 2008 Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1615 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184231#184231 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2008
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: Re: ciikie salute!
No, no, you look happy enough to melt marshmallows at a glance... I was referring to Mr. Hauck! -- R On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:00 PM, John Williamson wrote: > > Robert L. and all, > > I don't know what you are talking about, I have my great tasting cookie, sun burnt cheeks and a big smile. > > That box of cookies from Jon and his wife in Minnesota was a treat at the 2008 Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley. > > -------- > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolbra, 912ULS, 1615 hours > http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184231#184231 > > -- Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um.... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
Date: May 21, 2008
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Thanks for the heads up =C2-Dennis. I haven't started the parts list yet=C2-so any and all info is=C2-apprec iated... I have ideas floating around in the Grey matter and on paper.. but thats as far as i've gone so far... I may hard wire a female plug to the battery terminals and install a In line switch=C2-for power... but again that just one idea.. The goal is a KISS approach.... I want an easy in and out and reliable set up... Mark -----Original Message----- From: Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:29 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? HYPERLINK "mailto:knowvne(at)aol.com" knowvne(at)aol.com asked: << BTW does the pump orientation matter for it to work?? Mounting holes Vertical or Horizontal ??? >> Mark - The instructions that come with the Facet fuel pump tell you that the ideal installation is for the pump to be level with the bottom of your fuel tank, and oriented with its axis of fuel flow at a 45 degree angle. Of course, you'll see many variations of fuel pump installation that still work, like on Steven Green's setup for his auxiliary transfer tank. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, New Mexico ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ciikie salute!
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Date: May 21, 2008
Karen stole my cookie! Seriously, Jon, we all enjoyed the homemade cookies. Thanks for going to the effort and expense of sending them to us. John W and I are still waiting for 25 to 30 mph winds to subside so we can fly the 100 odd miles to the Rock House, 6 miles south of Burns Junction, OR. Lucky for us, the FBO has been very generous with their courtesy car and hospitality. Looks like we may be here until Friday morning, unless a miracle happens. Take care, -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184236#184236 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar?
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Date: May 21, 2008
Rick, the weight of the Buckeye engine and redrive is 100 lbs... The Generac engine they are using not near as modified as the one Gene and Larry were using on the legal Eagle, and the Backyard flyer as I saw it last., Now I am not sure what the "state of modification" of the one on this new plane they have now as all I have seen is the Utube video...but it looks like it flys really well... On a personal note, I didnt like some of the mods they did on those first engines, other than the carb, which was OK by me. But I am certain the other mods they did basically to loose weight would be detrimental to the life of the engine. As far as Smooth..again I dont know what the Smiths latest design is for sure, but Buckeyes is truly smooth as silk! I held my Hand on it the other day with no prop installed as we ran it up and it is perfectly smooth, so smooth in fact the vibration testing gear I brought along to check it with, just stayed in the truck..there was no need. compared to a Rotax...its a sewing machine.. One of the amazing things about Buckeyes package is, it is APPROVED by Generac, and they have been in close contact with the company in the development of this project as a direct OEM account. This is NOT a "rebel installation" as we call them in the biz. -------- Don G. Central Illinois Kitfox IV Speedster Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184266#184266 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2008
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
At 05:59 AM 5/21/2008, you wrote: >=EF=BB > these types of on line Campfires.... Sharing ideas..>> > >on my Xtra the engine , Jabiru, pulls fuel >equally from 2 tanks connected by a tee >piece. Any reason why I can`t put a spare tank >on the passengers seat and just add a quick connect into the same fuel line? > >Cheers > >Pat > You can ....if the tee is below the (bottom) of the tanks. You could hook up ten tanks that way, and never suck up any air. Physics 101, fuel is heaver than air. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2008
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: ciikie salute!
At 02:40 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote: > >What I want to know is, why was John so happy? ;-) I'm assuming your talking about John H. He's single, he's retired, he get's paid every month (for serving our country - not enough, in my opinion) his kids, if he has any, must be grown by now, he has a "girlfriend" when he wants one, he plays with his airplane when the weather is good (or not) he plays with his tractors, he plays with his fifth wheeler, he plays ............ what's to know? If he gets bored he tries to kill himself by flying to Alaska and back again. Wish I could do what he does, but I'm too much of a pu-sy. Or maybe I'm not old enough yet - this, like golf, seems to be an old mans game. Good,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I've got something to look forward to! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2008
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Deer On the Runway
At 09:41 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: >Stan, > >Russell Duffy in Florida bought the slingshot and intended to put a >rotary engine on it, so he sold the 912. I could have cried when I >went to pick up the engine, He had stripped all the covering off the >plane. I think he eventually sold the airframe. > >Steven What a waste of work - not to mention the paint! I think Bill told me it took as much time to paint the plane as it did to build it. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2008
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Anybody heard from Beauford lately?
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