Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-hv

November 03, 2008 - December 08, 2008



      Kip
      Firestar II, N111KX
      Waiex, N111YX
      Quickie 1, N111QX
      Atlanta
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212185#212185
      
      
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From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Scratches in Lexan Windshield
Date: Nov 03, 2008
Kit "scratch out" works great on automotive clearcoat. Should do ok on lexan too. More than once I have mentioned that GE sells a scratch resistant polycarbonate called MR10. -or did anyway. I have it on my MkIII and it still is as clear as new. Don't know why nobody else has tried it????? BB On 3, Nov 2008, at 8:56 PM, Steven Green wrote: > > > Dennis > > I use Kit paste car wax after I have cleaned mine. I usually wet a > towel and lay it on the windshield for a while to soften the bugs > and not have to scrub too hard. You might check with Travis, He > had Mark 3 lexan on sale at one time. Overstock I think. I keep a > chamois in the plane for anytime that I have to dry the windows. > > Steven Green > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Scratches in Lexan Windshield
Date: Nov 03, 2008
If you ever replace the windshield , use MR 4000 Lexan by G E the MR stands for mar- resistance......that is the best... Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Scratches in Lexan Windshield > > At 03:39 PM 11/3/2008, Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL wrote: > >>I have some fairly significant scratches on the polycarbonate windshield >>of my Mark-3. >>Not so much deep scratches, but many swirls of scratches. Similar to >>what you'd expect if you took sand paper and wiped it across the >>surface. >> >>Do I need to replace the whole windshield, or can these be buffed out? >> >>I've seen products designed to remove scratches from Plexiglas. Would >>these same products work for Lexan? > > Yes, they will work on any clear plastic. It takes a fair amount of elbow > grease, though. Just the other day I used Meguire's Plast-X from the > local auto parts store to make the clear face shield on my flying helmet > usable again... took about a half hour of vigorous polishing. It might be > easier with an electric drill with a buffing pad, I didn't try that. > > One thing, don't ever use paper towels to clean your windshield! Paper is > abrasive and will make the kind of scratches you describe. Use only a > soft cotton cloth. > > -Dana > -- > The man who would be fully employed should procure a ship or a woman, for > no two things produce more trouble" - Plautus 254-184 B.C. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Scratches in Lexan Windshield
Date: Nov 03, 2008
If your head or arm ever goes through it you won't love it it will cut the shit out of you,very jaged, and very sharp,also the material will cause infection. I know frist hand. Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:11 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Scratches in Lexan Windshield > > Plexus! I love it so much I should buy the company... > Kip :P > > -------- > Kip > Firestar II, N111KX > Waiex, N111YX > Quickie 1, N111QX > Atlanta > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212185#212185 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scratches in Lexan Windshield
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 04, 2008
Dennis, Here is what I've used with good results. Novus Plastic polish #1 cleans and protects Novus Plastic polish #2 restores and refinishes (removes fine scratches) Novus Plastic polish #3 removes heavy scratches (aggressive polish) Available from Aircraft Spruce. -------- Thom Riddle CFI-SP Power Plant Mechanic N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Scratch any cynic, he said, and youll find a disappointed idealist. George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212225#212225 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 04, 2008
From: mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Painting Ailerons with Polytone
I'm getting ready to put the color coat on the flaps and ailerons, and wondering what to do with aluminum torque tubes. The PolyFiber manual says Polytone may or may not stick to aluminum. If I prime the aluminum tubes and then spray with polytone will that work? How have others handled this part of the painting? Thanks. Mark Rinehart Kolb MkIII in Indy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Painting Ailerons with Polytone
Date: Nov 04, 2008
Mark, I covered the tubes with fabric & Painted them too with the whole process, & it made the fabric gap seals seem like it was all just a part of the wing. Polytone will NOT stick to aluminum. I`m sure , though, that if you primed the tubes with epoxy primer, then sprayed polytone on top of tacky primer, you would also be happy with the results. Jim Kmet MK-3C Cookeville, TN I don`t know who will win the election, but I do know who the losers are. Us! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark rinehart" <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Painting Ailerons with Polytone > > I'm getting ready to put the color coat on the flaps and ailerons, and > wondering what to do with aluminum torque tubes. The PolyFiber manual says > Polytone may or may not stick to aluminum. If I prime the aluminum tubes > and then spray with polytone will that work? How have others handled this > part of the painting? Thanks. > > Mark Rinehart > Kolb MkIII in Indy > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 04, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Painting Ailerons with Polytone
My Firestar has Polytone over zinc chromate and both are peeling like a bad sunburn. My Mk III has polytone over bare aluminum with Aerothane over that. Just learned the hard way yesterday that it isn't sticking either. I didn't build either one but I've had very good luck painting aluminum parts when they are acid etched and alodined first. Just don't leave the parts in the alodine solution too long or a powdery residue can give adhesion problems, too. For some great ideas on alodining large parts go to the EAA Chapter 1000 website. Rick On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Jim wrote: > > Mark, I covered the tubes with fabric & Painted them too with the whole > process, & it made the fabric gap seals seem like it was all just a part of > the wing. Polytone will NOT stick to aluminum. I`m sure , though, that if > you primed the tubes with epoxy primer, then sprayed polytone on top of > tacky primer, you would also be happy with the results. > Jim Kmet > MK-3C > Cookeville, TN > I don`t know who will win the election, but I do know who the losers are. > Us! > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark rinehart" <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:47 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: Painting Ailerons with Polytone > > >> >> I'm getting ready to put the color coat on the flaps and ailerons, and >> wondering what to do with aluminum torque tubes. The PolyFiber manual says >> Polytone may or may not stick to aluminum. If I prime the aluminum tubes >> and then spray with polytone will that work? How have others handled this >> part of the painting? Thanks. >> >> Mark Rinehart >> Kolb MkIII in Indy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser
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From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Painting Ailerons with Polytone
Date: Nov 05, 2008
Degreasing is the most important step. An industrial detergent, not dish soap. Second, a scuffing with either 400 paper or scotchbrite pad. Third, a light coat with rustoleum automotive spray can primer will do. Never let any primer sit and get hard for more than a few days or you will have to at least re-scuff it. BB, MkIII, no peels, no flakes. On 4, Nov 2008, at 8:42 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > My Firestar has Polytone over zinc chromate and both are peeling > like a bad sunburn. My Mk III has polytone over bare aluminum with > Aerothane over that. Just learned the hard way yesterday that it > isn't sticking either. I didn't build either one but I've had very > good luck painting aluminum parts when they are acid etched and > alodined first. Just don't leave the parts in the alodine solution > too long or a powdery residue can give adhesion problems, too. For > some great ideas on alodining large parts go to the EAA Chapter > 1000 website. > > Rick > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Jim wrote: > > Mark, I covered the tubes with fabric & Painted them too with the > whole process, & it made the fabric gap seals seem like it was all > just a part of the wing. Polytone will NOT stick to aluminum. I`m > sure , though, that if you primed the tubes with epoxy primer, then > sprayed polytone on top of tacky primer, you would also be happy > with the results. > Jim Kmet > MK-3C > Cookeville, TN > I don`t know who will win the election, but I do know who the > losers are. Us! > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark rinehart" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:47 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: Painting Ailerons with Polytone > > > I'm getting ready to put the color coat on the flaps and ailerons, > and wondering what to do with aluminum torque tubes. The PolyFiber > manual says Polytone may or may not stick to aluminum. If I prime > the aluminum tubes and then spray with polytone will that work? How > have others handled this part of the painting? Thanks. > > Mark Rinehart > Kolb MkIII in Indy > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: More Flying pictures
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 05, 2008
Hi Grant, Thats great news on your 503, your performance numbers are impressive for a MK III with that engine, being light makes a much bigger difference in Kolbs than I would have ever thought. I am surprised to see that you are flying with 20 pounds of ballast when alone, I weigh the same as you do and have never used ballast, but my empty weight is about 650 pounds empty, the 912-S is heavy and changes the way weight and balance works out quite a bit... I adjusted my elevator trim with fixed aerodynamic tabs so that my Kolb flys straight and level with me alone using no spring trim. I add spring trim in depending on the weight of the passenger, I have carried a 220 pound passenger and still have some trim range to spare. One other thing that surprised me about the Kolb was how much flap rigging can affect roll trim, use great care to get each flap at exactly at the same angle to keep them from inducing a roll. In the end, I used a digital level to rig the flaps perfectly level with each other and used Kolbs adjustable Rear attachment brackets to adjust each wing at exactly same angle in relation to the fuselage. This resulted in a my airplane flying level with no trim tabs needed on the ailerons, I have trim tabs on my ailerons but they are neutral... My Kolb flys straight hands off and stays level in a stall. I am not home now, but I will post some pictures I took of the adjustable brackets from Kolb when I get back. I also have some cool videos I will edit and post as soon as I am get to my computer. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212623#212623 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 06, 2008
From: "Thomas R. Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: not Kolb related but worth a look...
Dana, Outstanding Alaska flying photos! Thanks for the link. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: More Flying pictures
From: "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Nov 06, 2008
Nice pics! It's interesting to note that this is the field where Charles Lindbergh soloed.... :D -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212654#212654 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 06, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Econo Miser!!
FireFlyer's & Kolbers, I have updated the page describing the air/fuel ratio adjuster. The weather has been very nice and so I was able to gather much more data. I had to removed the static pressure tap from the bottom of the carburetor. With the carburetor just about a foot in front of the propeller, a lot of weird stuff happens. I could not get enough pressure difference to provide sufficient control range and the system was unstable. I tried changing main jets, etc., but it did not help. I moved the static pressure reference point to under the wing and everything improved. At this time, I will be cleaning up the system. To save weight, it will be re plumbed with thin wall hard tubing and one float bowl vent will be plugged. If you would like to see the latest data, it can be found on the bottom of: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly146.html This has been very encouraging. My initial goal was be able to fly at less than two gph, and at this point, it looks like 1.5 gph or less is a strong possibility. Fly Safe! Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 06, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Reminder
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Date: Nov 07, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Econo Miser!!
FireFlyer's & Kolbers, One thing I failed to mention. With the needle raised 1/2 slot above the normal winter position, the system can raise the EGT at least 150 degrees F. On the last test flight it required 3.0 inches of water vacuum to bring the EGT up to the desired temperature. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Looking to buy
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 07, 2008
Ray, In the LSA AIRPLANE arena after the expiration date of Jan 31, 2010, those ELSA and Exp A/B aircraft that are currently allowed to be used for training, will no longer be allowed to do so. The regular (non-training) ELSAs will still be allowed to be used for personal use including carrying passengers. There is no expiration date for these non-training ELSA airplanes. It is my understanding that those ELSAs that are currently approved for training via their current temporary training airworthiness certificate (I have a friend with a Sky Ranger with this temporary A/W certificate) will have to have this certificate replaced with a regular ELSA A/W certificate like the vast majority of us have. If he doesn't exchange the temporary training a/w certificate for a regular one, then that airplane is illegal to fly at all after the Jan 31, 2010 date, period. After this expiration date, only type certificated airplanes (Cubs, T-craft, etc) and SLSA airplanes will be allowed to be used as trainers or for renting. The LODA rules are complex and based on my research, will not be granted for general Sport Pilot training in ELSA airplanes because there are alternatives available. I hope this helps clarify the situation. -------- Thom Riddle CFI-SP Power Plant Mechanic N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Scratch any cynic, he said, and youll find a disappointed idealist. George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212927#212927 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Looking to buy
From: "John T. Schmidt" <adlerflug1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 07, 2008
Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy. Thanks. Sincerely, John T. Schmidt, CFI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212932#212932 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 503 cabin heater
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>
Date: Nov 07, 2008
Does anyone have one of the 503 cabin heaters that aircraft spruce sells? http://gacc.nifc.gov/swcc/predictive/outlooks/fire_behavior/reference_tables/fb_reference_tables.htm I need to know what the diameter is where the flex ducting hooks up to the heater and the measurement from where the heater attaches to the fan cowling to the outside (top) of the heater. I have 503 powered Kitfox and am wondering if this heater would fit inside the engine cowl and work in that installation. I tried making an exhaust heater last winter and ended up calling it a dog breath heater. It was as warm as a dog breathing on me. I need at least a 10 dog breath heater. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212964#212964 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2008
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: 503 cabin heater
Heard of a three dog night...similar? Surely the heater captures the hot air coming off of one of the heads , using a damper set up...should be easy to make.. Herb At 06:00 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote: > >Does anyone have one of the 503 cabin heaters that aircraft spruce sells? >http://gacc.nifc.gov/swcc/predictive/outlooks/fire_behavior/reference_tables/fb_reference_tables.htm > >I need to know what the diameter is where the flex ducting hooks up >to the heater and the measurement from where the heater attaches to >the fan cowling to the outside (top) of the heater. I have 503 >powered Kitfox and am wondering if this heater would fit inside the >engine cowl and work in that installation. > >I tried making an exhaust heater last winter and ended up calling it >a dog breath heater. It was as warm as a dog breathing on me. I >need at least a 10 dog breath heater. > >-------- >Tom Jones >Classic IV >503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp >Ellensburg, WA > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212964#212964 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Looking to buy
Ray, John is right and he is wrong. After January 31st 2010 you cannot use an E-LSA for training for hire. Since the advent of the LODA you can get one if you want to use your E-AB for transition training, BUT your aircraft must have some special feature that makes the aircraft different enough from standard training aircraft that a standard aircraft cannot be used for the purpose. As an example, canard aircraft have different enough characteristics that a 172 won't teach you about their special requirements. This is driven as much by insurance companies as anything. At the end of your transition training you won't receive an endorsement on your license, but you will be able to tell XYZ Insurance Co. that you have logged 10 hours (say) dual instruction and you have satisfied XYZ's requirements. You can't make transition from being a non pilot to being a pilot as you can with your E-LSA until the cut off date. As for the FAA requirements for the LODA, you can read about it in Notice 8700-49 or 8900-15. They both say the same thing, both are expired, but still in use by your local FSDO. The LODA is applied for by the instructor who creates the transition training curriculum. You can be trained in your own aircraft since you won't be getting compensation from yourself. An instructor can train you to fly in his airplane if he takes no compensation for the privilege. It is not the Experimental certificate granted to the E-LSA that will be changed in 2010 it is the operating limitations. Rick On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:31 PM, John T. Schmidt wrote: > > Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I > will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy. > Thanks. > Sincerely, > John T. Schmidt, CFI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212932#212932 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Looking to buy
Opps, that s/b Thom is right and he is wrong. I apologize for sloppy proof reading. Rick On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Ray, John is right and he is wrong. After January 31st 2010 you cannot use > an E-LSA for training for hire. Since the advent of the LODA you can get one > if you want to use your E-AB for transition training, BUT your aircraft must > have some special feature that makes the aircraft different enough from > standard training aircraft that a standard aircraft cannot be used for the > purpose. As an example, canard aircraft have different enough > characteristics that a 172 won't teach you about their special requirements. > This is driven as much by insurance companies as anything. At the end of > your transition training you won't receive an endorsement on your license, > but you will be able to tell XYZ Insurance Co. that you have logged 10 hours > (say) dual instruction and you have satisfied XYZ's requirements. You can't > make transition from being a non pilot to being a pilot as you can with your > E-LSA until the cut off date. As for the FAA requirements for the LODA, > you can read about it in Notice 8700-49 or 8900-15. They both say the same > thing, both are expired, but still in use by your local FSDO. The LODA is > applied for by the instructor who creates the transition training > curriculum. > You can be trained in your own aircraft since you won't be getting > compensation from yourself. > An instructor can train you to fly in his airplane if he takes no > compensation for the privilege. > It is not the Experimental certificate granted to the E-LSA that will be > changed in 2010 it is the operating limitations. > > Rick > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:31 PM, John T. Schmidt wrote: > >> >> Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I >> will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy. >> Thanks. >> Sincerely, >> John T. Schmidt, CFI >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212932#212932 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 07, 2008
Subject: Engine Weight limit
I didn't know if someone has already figured this out or not but anyone know off hand what the heaviest engine a MK3 Xtra Can support and stay within C/G limits? Ellery in Maine do not archive **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 07, 2008
Subject: Re: Rotax 377 on UltraStar
In a message dated 11/7/2008 10:23:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jb92563(at)yahoo.com writes: Has anyone tried a Rotax 377 on a Kolb? Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Hi Ray, The early (85~) FireStar kits were supplied with the Rotax 377 engine. I flew mine for 442 hours. It ran much nicer than my current 447 model. It was smoother running. Other than the bore size, about the only other major difference was the compression ratio was higher (don't recall what it was and no longer have the operators manual). I used premium fuel. Also it had points ignition, but did not require an unusual amount of maintenance to keep the point gap or timing within spec. You'll like it. Sometimes I regret changing it out for the 447. But at the time I thought the crankshaft was due for replacement (preventive maintenance) and got a slightly used 447 at a good price. Since then, I've learned that a lot of fellows have gone 600 and 700 hours on the same crankshaft. Live and learn. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 503 cabin heater
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>
Date: Nov 08, 2008
I was down loading Relative Humidity tables right before I sent the heater question to the kolb List and didn't get the heater link copied like I thought I did. Heres the correct link to see the Aircraft Spruce heater. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?query=503+heater&searchsubmit=Search&search=1 -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213007#213007 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 503 cabin heater
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>
Date: Nov 08, 2008
Okay you guys are giving me some good ideas. Thanks Ellery, I looked at your pictures and they helped as well as some another sent to me. Heres what the 503 installation looks like in my kitfox. Anyone with more ideas or comments I would like to hear/see them. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213015#213015 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/engine1_526.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airport Attitudes
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Nov 08, 2008
Hi Guys, Well....being an Airport manager at a small sod strip in in upper , lower Michigan (5Y2, Houghton Lake State Airport),I can understand why some managers get upset with some of the pilots that fly the lite aircraft.I have only had 1 time where the pilot of a powered parachute new nothing about patterns at an airport,landed on the runway and parked it there while he packed it up...However,I spoke with the gentlemen and told him of airport procedures and he apologized and agreed follow them next time.Since then I try to have a talk with the people wanting to use the airport and make sure the understand the rules. Some already knew them others did not...the point is if you go to another place to fly that you have not been before, talk to the manager and let him know your intentions and ask if there is anything else that should be noticed at there airport. There is no reason why we can't all get along and play together.I enjoy anything that flies , all we have to do is keep it safe. I am just getting into a Kolb Mark III Xtra ( down sizing from a Skyhawk...I have a nice one for sale if anyone is interested) and would like to see all you guys and gals come up to our airport some time in the future! So before you get mad at the manager,remember all the dumb stuff other people have done to make him that way and show him you are not that way! chris ambrose houghton lake ,mi ces308(at)ldaco.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213039#213039 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <smlplanet(at)msn.com>
Subject: Mark 3C/912 on floats & CHT sending unit
Date: Nov 08, 2008
I am looking for information on Puddle Jumper floats mounted on the Mark 3 C. I have tried to get some information from Kolb for the past 2 yrs with out any luck. If you have any information or photos you can direct me to it would be a great help. I have a chance to get a set with retractable landing gear which is why I am looking for help. The other thing is the CHT sending units on the 912 UL, are they F or C degrees which dicates which gages to use, some of us use the F gages and the temp always runs low as does the oil temp. -------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Econo Miser!!
FireFlyer's & Kolbers, The weather has turned so there is no flying. Computed the change in average fuel flows for flights before and after addition of the air fuel mixture control and keeping the EGT constant. At today's fuel prices ($2.00) it saves about 50 cents per hour. I added the following to the web site page today. ............................................ Update - 11/08/08 - Fuel Savings To check air fuel ratio control system effectiveness, I totaled the air time and fuel used beginning with the very first system test flight. The total system air time was 13 hours and 23 minutes, and the total fuel burned was 27.17 gallons. This computes out to 2.03 gph over 25 flights. Next I went back in air time approximately 13 hours and 23 minutes before installing the system and found there were 35 flights in this period totaling 13 hours, 46 minutes that burned 33.20 gallons. Since there were 10 additional flights, 10 x 0.05 = 0.5 gallons were subtracted from the total to compensate for the extra ten engine starts and warm-ups etc. Using this new number (32.70 gallons) the uncontrolled air fuel mixture flights burn rate was 2.38 gph. By addition of the air fuel mixture control, Victor 1+ is burning 0.25 gph less for an eleven percent improvement in fuel economy. ............................................ Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Mark 3C/912 on floats & CHT sending unit
At 07:53 PM 11/8/2008, smlplanet(at)msn.com wrote: >The other thing is the CHT sending units on the 912 UL, are they F or C >degrees which dicates which gages to use, some of us use the F gages and >the temp always runs low as does the oil temp. There is no F or C sender. The gauge has F or C markings (or both), but that's just the markings on the dial. The thermocouple type used depends on the application, typically type "J" thermocouples are used on CHT gauges whereas type "K" are used for EGT (the "J" type produces more voltage for a given temperature, making it more accurate at lower temperatures, but it's limited to about 750F). Thermocouple gauges need no external power. Oil temp gauges usually use a thermistor rather than a thermocouple sender which is completely different, and require external power. -Dana -- The city is not a concrete jungle. It is a human zoo. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Annual inspection
Date: Nov 08, 2008
From: "Nelson, Craig" <craig.nelson(at)heraeus.com>
<> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> I have been involved in my annual inspection. Removed the cowling and found a lose cht bolt and a wire lom nut had come off. I have had some trouble with the EIS. My tach was working intermintaly and the cht that was irregular was deffinatly the blot that had worked lose. The tack problem was where I had made a solder connection at a plastic conector plug. it vibrated till the wire workhardned and brke lose. The shrink tubing held the ends together that's why the intermint operation.Decided to do something drastic B4 I started you can see the results in the photos. B flying next week Uncle craig MKIIIEX 912ULS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Annual inspection
Date: Nov 09, 2008
Nice workmanship Craig. You make this builder feel like a lazy bum. As far as things coming loose, if it can, it will. BB MkIII, tucked away for the season. On 8, Nov 2008, at 10:37 PM, Nelson, Craig wrote: > <> <> <> > <> <> <> > <> <> <> > I have been involved in my annual inspection. Removed the cowling and > found a lose cht bolt and a wire lom nut had come off. I have had some > trouble with the EIS. My tach was working intermintaly and the cht > that > was irregular was deffinatly the blot that had worked lose. The tack > problem was where I had made a solder connection at a plastic conector > plug. it vibrated till the wire workhardned and brke lose. The shrink > tubing held the ends together that's why the intermint > operation.Decided > to do something drastic B4 I started you can see the results in the > photos. B flying next week > Uncle craig > MKIIIEX 912ULS > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Annual inspection
>Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\DSC_1331.JPG" > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\DSC_1333.JPG" > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\DSC_1335.JPG" > Craig, I used a similar electrical connector system on the Victor 1+. I found that if one does not closely control the wire flex next to the connector, they will, in time, vibrate in two. You may want to consider laying a soft piece of tubing across and above the wires to keep them vibrating relative to the connector. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Annual inspection
Date: Nov 09, 2008
I like to collar the joint with shrink tube. Looks nice, is waterproof, and reduces flex. BB On 9, Nov 2008, at 11:27 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > > >> Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\DSC_1331.JPG" >> >> Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\DSC_1333.JPG" >> >> Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\DSC_1335.JPG" >> > > Craig, > > I used a similar electrical connector system on the Victor 1+. I > found that > if one does not closely control the wire flex next to the > connector, they > will, in time, vibrate in two. You may want to consider laying a > soft piece > of tubing across and above the wires to keep them vibrating > relative to the > connector. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MK III Climb performance with Rotax 503
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 09, 2008
Here are some more numbers from my gps today 11/9/2008. My average full power climb rate according to the gps during takeoff was from 560 to 578 feet per minute at an average ground speed of 41.7 miles per hour. Indicated climb out of 60mph. The plane stalls at 41 indicated. Gross weight full fuel on takeoff 735 pounds Temperature was 64 degrees during 4 pm with 9 mph winds gusting to 15 at 280o. I was using runway 23 so it was a good crosswind. field elevation around 460msl I reset my gps to make more measurements. During climb out it took 57 measurements in 5250 feet. Not sure why I am 100 fpm short. I think I might have used 55mph indicated in the smoother air from last time on climb out. Grant Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213185#213185 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution
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From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com>
Subject: Re: Mark 3C/912 on floats & CHT sending unit
Date: Nov 10, 2008
SMLPLANET(at)MSN.COM. THE FLOATS HAVE NOT BEEN INSTALLED ON THE MARK 3 YET AND HAVE NOT BEEN TESTED. WE HAVE THE FLOATS HERE AT KOLB BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD THE TIME TO DO THIS. PUDDLE JUMPER MFG. HAS PLANS TO COME HERE AND INSTALL AND SET THE FLOATS UP THE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, THEN WILL BUILD MOUNTING KIT FOR ATTACHMENT, BUT THIS WILL BE IN THE SPRING OF 2009. ANY MORE INFO. LET US KNOW OR YOU CAN CONTACT PUDDLE JUMPERS. THANKS DONNIE. From: <smlplanet(at)msn.com> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:53 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Mark 3C/912 on floats & CHT sending unit > > I am looking for information on Puddle Jumper floats mounted on the Mark 3 > C. I have tried to get some information from Kolb for the past 2 yrs with > out any luck. If you have any information or photos you can direct me to it > would be a great help. I have a chance to get a set with retractable landing > gear which is why I am looking for help. > The other thing is the CHT sending units on the 912 UL, are they F or C > degrees which dicates which gages to use, some of us use the F gages and the > temp always runs low as does the oil temp. > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MK III Climb performance with Rotax 503
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 10, 2008
I did a more detailed analysis of my climb rate and the new average is 617 feet per minute out of 56 rate calculations : 750.00 720.00 750.00 50 agl 519 msl 720.00 740.00 745.71 742.50 733.33 744.00 763.64 750.00 715.71 701.25 673.33 202 agl 671 msl 651.00 651.43 636.52 619.20 620.00 622.76 624.00 611.25 600.00 591.43 345 agl 814 msl 590.27 592.31 588.00 583.90 581.43 583.26 577.33 577.83 575.74 573.06 563.53 560.77 563.77 569.45 572.14 567.93 568.00 564.19 563.44 565.85 568.66 566.09 559.44 555.62 554.59 554.21 553.08 547.50 544.39 539.29 533.72 530.34 at 769 agl 1238 msl Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213319#213319 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Grounding the fuel tank
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 10, 2008
If you remember, I installed a custom made aluminum tank this year in the Firestar. I set it on the tray with the piece of rubber underneath it just like the plastic tanks use. Then since I didn't get mounting tabs on the tank (mistake by builder) I had to strap the tank down with nylon straps. Well it turns out my tank was not electrically attached to my airframe so even though I static ground the airframe when fueling up I wasn't grounding the tank itself. I got lucky that I didn't get a spark. I fixed it yesterday. Just something else to think about. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213363#213363 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: CT MKIII crash
At 04:04 PM 11/10/2008, jb92563 wrote: > > http://www.greatplainsas.com/pg28f.html > >Does the above gascolator have a clear bowl? Plastic? >I guess you need to drill a hole in it for the quick drain valve? It looks like a metal bowl. Probably there's a plug that's removed to install the drain valve. Seems nobody makes a glass one with drain valve any more... I've been tempted to make one myself (glass sight glass tubing is readily available in various sizes). My thought was Delrin endcaps, o-ring seals, glass tube body, and assembly hardware that can be safetied. Not sure how to add a filter, probably use a separate commercial filter. -Dana -- Congress shall make no law....What part of NO didn't you understand? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: The search for a Clear Gascolator
Date: Nov 10, 2008
Kolb guys=2C First of all=2C I'm back. For those keeping tabs=2C I've been roughing i t for a few months while I built my hangar/apartment. Well=2C this phase i s very close to done. Hopefully=2C I'll get to start building my house soon. (remember??...moved to Missouri=2C really close to airport...) Okay=2C we had the gascolator discussion before. To be honest=2C I=2C to o=2C would like to have a clear bowl gascolator. But=2C it just occurred to me=2C "Hey=2C I didn't have a glass bowl gascolator in my Cessna 172 I recently sold." So=2C then=2C why would I need one on my MKIII?? For my Cessna pre-flight=2C I just took my handy-dandy fuel checker and d rained the gascolator and tanks into it=2C and took a really close look at what I drained!! And then tossed it on some wasps=2C if I could find any. If there was any moisture (and there usually was at least a tiny bit) I dr ained it out. (onto those wasps) (I don't think it killed them=2C but it s ure pissed them off. I had to run more than once!!) If I remember correctly=2C the whole reason you don't find anyone making a glass or clear plastic gascolator for airplanes is because supposedly som eone had one that cracked during a flight=2C and out drained all their go-j uice. (Sorry=2C I just watched Waterworld a couple of days ago=2C and Denn is Hopper kept referring to it as go-juice.) Anyway=2C since they may have a valid point about cracking bowls=2C then whether you get to look at your fuel samples BEFORE you fly really shouldn' t matter=2C as long as you do it and get out the moisure!!! So=2C I guess the point I'm making is=3B for removing contaminants=2C a r egular gascolator and regular fuel tanks only need to do one thing=2C and that's have a low point that you can drain off befor e each flight (into your inspection vial). Yes? What we should be concerning ourselves with is the PROPER placement of th ese draining devices=2C NOT whether we can get a peak at that dreaded moist ure on-board our planes=2C in a see-through sump. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/safair.php Just my thoughts. Your ideas may vary. Mike Welch MKIII CX _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows=AE connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are p art of your life ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2008
From: "Thomas R. Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: CT MKIII crash
I bought one of the Great Plains gascolators with the Curtis drain valve, with the intention of installing it in the Allegro we used to own. The space available was not sufficient so we did not install it. It appears to be very well built and smaller in size than many, which I like. The bowl is metal and not the least bit transparent :-(. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: CT MKIII crash
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Contact Bear Perkins www.bearperkins.com/ He has a light weight gascolator with a big clear plastic bowl and a very fine mesh screen on the output side. I am using this on my plane. It has a plug drain on the bowl. Cost was $70 He also has good prices and stock on many rotax parts as well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213480#213480 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MkIIIX on eBay
Richard , Or anyone- does anyone know why TNK is selling that beautiful a ircraft? Looks to me like it would be a- great show plane for some time ? Chris =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Richard Gira rd =0ATo: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:37:28 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: MkIIIX on eBay=0A=0AIf anyone out there is seriously looking for a Mk III X tra, the factory demo with the new wing is on eBay: =0A=0Ahttp://cgi.ebay.c om/ebaymotors/Kolb-Aircraft-MIII-Xtra-2-Place_W0QQitemZ270299252504QQihZ017 QQcategoryZ63677QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ht_923wt_0=0A=0A=0AI saw this aircraft at Sun-n-Fun in 2007 and it is just drop dead beautiful. I'm sure by now they have cleaned my drool marks off it (only kidding guys) .=0AIf I win the lotto this weekend this will be the first thing I buy.=0A =0ARick=0APS I am not in any way connected with the factory-=0Ado not arc == =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2008
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: 96 HP engine weighing 40 lbs
Here's a 96 HP rotary engine that only weighs 40 lbs http://www.parajet.com/index.php?id=122 on the downside, it costs $38,000. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
From: "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Hello list, Well I think it is time for me to overhaul the Bing 64 carbs on my 912UL. The engine is running fine. We have had a stretch of great weather and it is hard to pull the carbs off and quite flying. I think I am the victim of CRS disease. One problem I'm having on start up is rough running until enricher (choke) is closed. I don't remember that in the first couple of hundred hours. I think it is one of those things that has crept in slowly and gotten to the point it is noticeable now. Another little thing is just a barely noticeable miss every now and then at 3000 rpm or less. I also have to adjust the mixture screw on one carb more than the recommended 1.5 turns to get a good carb balance. I have attended the ROTAX Maintenance Level I course. Don't have all the tools or confidence to do it right. Has anyone had any experience with Bing Agency in Kansas? http://www.bingcarburetor.com/ -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as slow as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213494#213494 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: MkIIIX on eBay
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Richard =2C Or anyone does anyone know why TNK is selling that beautiful a ircraft? Looks to me like it would be a great show plane for some time ? C hris Chris=2C I can only venture a couple of guesses as to why TNK would have t o sell their Xtra demo. The first guess would be they have a replacement a nd the yellow Xtra is "last year's model". I doubt this is the case=2C but rather think that they=2C like almost EVERY other business in this country =2Care having some serious financial constraints due to slow sales. The fa ct of the matter is=2C these are some really tough times!!! Whatever the motivations are behind the sale the yellow and white Xtra=2C I hope they w ork out for the TNK.Mike Welch=2C MKIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows Live ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
John, I went up to Council Groves and met the guys at the Bing Agency. If it's for a Bing, they have it in quantity. Before you start tearing carbs apart, check the carb boots. I had the same problems with my HKS that you're experiencing and found the carb boots were rotten. Multiple cracks and fissures on the inside, outside they looked brand new. Rick On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:16 AM, John Bickham wrote: > > Hello list, > > Well I think it is time for me to overhaul the Bing 64 carbs on my 912UL. > > The engine is running fine. We have had a stretch of great weather and it > is hard to pull the carbs off and quite flying. > > I think I am the victim of CRS disease. > > One problem I'm having on start up is rough running until enricher (choke) > is closed. I don't remember that in the first couple of hundred hours. I > think it is one of those things that has crept in slowly and gotten to the > point it is noticeable now. > > Another little thing is just a barely noticeable miss every now and then at > 3000 rpm or less. > > I also have to adjust the mixture screw on one carb more than the > recommended 1.5 turns to get a good carb balance. > > I have attended the ROTAX Maintenance Level I course. Don't have all the > tools or confidence to do it right. > > Has anyone had any experience with Bing Agency in Kansas? > http://www.bingcarburetor.com/ > > -------- > Thanks too much, > > John Bickham > Mark III-C w/ 912UL > St. Francisville, LA > > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as slow as you > could have !!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213494#213494 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
From: "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Thanks Rick for the suggestions/info. The carb boots were replaced new in April during annual. I called two folks so far. Bing Agency (KS) does not overhaul aviation carbs but sells the complete rebuild kit for $380.00. Ronnie at SMLA suggested that I need to look at re-shimming the gearbox for the the rough running at startup. More to get done. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as slow as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213505#213505 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2008
From: "Bill Eslick" <wgeslick(at)gmail.com>
Subject: E-LSA Repairman Course
Does anyone on this list have a handle on where or when an E-LSA Repairman course will next be offered? Bill Eslick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: GEO engine for sale
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Kolb guys=2C I got an email yesterday on my flyGEO engine list that I am a member of. A guy on that list says he isgoing to list a GEO engine on eB ay soon. Before doing that=2C he thought he'd pass the word around to some list members=2C in case they were interested. The engine is a fully conv erted 1000CC GEO Metro Raven Redrive aircraft engine. From the description =2Che has ALL the necessary parts to make it a bolt-on installation. It ha s 90 hours of flight time=2C according to him. BTW=2C Raven sells the motor mounts that directly bolt on to the Kolb frame=2C in place of the Rotax 58 2. (However=2C it is installed on that motor) This set-up is IDENTICAL t o what I have installed on my Kolb MkIII. I paid MORE than twice his askin g price!!! It is my understanding=2C since I haven't flown mine yet=2C th at this engine has performance "close" to a Rotax 582.The fuel consumption should be around the 2.25 to 2.5 GPH range. It is a 4 cycle=2C 3 cylinder engine=2C made by Suzuki. In my particular case=2C I have decided to add a turbocharger. That greatly increases the torque=2C and should performsig nificantly better than a Rotax 582. (We'll see!!) Plus=2C according to th ose that have installed the turbo=2C the fuel consumption goes DOWN to abou t 1.9 to 2.25 GPH!! I went over the HP and torque figures quite awhwile b ack=2C when comparing the Suzuki engine to the Rotax 912UL and 912ULS. Acc ording the published figures from Suzuki=2C the Chevy Sprint 3 cyl turbo (s ame engine as Metro) has significantly more torque than a Rotax 912ULS. B efore any of you 912 guys get your feathers ruffled=2C I'm not denigrating the 912!! It is the best!! It's the trend-setter. It is also quite expen sive. So=2C if you want an engine with the capabilities of something that is much more expensive=2C and you want it cheap=2C here's a choice you mig ht consider. Just an idea..... http://www.geometro.bravehost.com/ Mike Wel chMkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_fast er_112008 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2008
From: "VICTOR PETERS" <vicsv(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
Just had that problem John. Close anyway. Take off your carb bowls, unscrew the idle mixture jet. I'll bet it's plugged. You can't even get a piece of safety wire through that tiny hole. It's out of sight between the main jet and the idle air adj. screw, which is supposed to stay at 1.5 turns. You can down load pics and instructions from rotax. Heavy maint(sec 73) manuals (pdf). My engine will now idle at 1350rpm if I wanted it to. (not recomended). It hasn't idled this good since I first cranked her up. Now I must re synchronize it. Vic MkIIX 912UL ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
Okay, if you have no problem there, did you synch the carbs at annual, both pneumatically and mechanically? Sorry, just going through the basics. Rick On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:02 AM, John Bickham wrote: > > Thanks Rick for the suggestions/info. > > The carb boots were replaced new in April during annual. > > I called two folks so far. Bing Agency (KS) does not overhaul aviation > carbs but sells the complete rebuild kit for $380.00. > > Ronnie at SMLA suggested that I need to look at re-shimming the gearbox for > the the rough running at startup. > > More to get done. > > -------- > Thanks too much, > > John Bickham > Mark III-C w/ 912UL > St. Francisville, LA > > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as slow as you > could have !!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213505#213505 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: 96 HP engine weighing 40 lbs
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Here's a 96 HP rotary engine that only weighs 40 lbs>> Hi, I had a rotary engine in a car once. An NSU Ro80. A superb piece of kit. The engine was thirsty and the ceramic lobe tips wore out an alarming rate but it was as smooth as silk. i think they now only produce the Spyder. The car itself was well balanced with a manual gear shift. The clutch was operated electrically so that when you put your hand on the gear stick a contact was made and the engine de-clutched. The mis match of engine and wheel speed was taken care of by a torque converter. Quitest and smoothest car I ever owned. The darndest thing. Some years ago I flew into an RAF field which now houses a Transport Museum and there was my old car on display Cheers Pat. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Annual inspection
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Craig/all Seems like I had heard that you shouldn't solder wires on airplanes due to that very problem. What do you guys think? I used only crimp connectors in my plane. You also need to support the wires as much as possible to keep them from moving and breaking. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson, Craig" <craig.nelson(at)heraeus.com> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:37 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Annual inspection <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> I have been involved in my annual inspection. Removed the cowling and found a lose cht bolt and a wire lom nut had come off. I have had some trouble with the EIS. My tach was working intermintaly and the cht that was irregular was deffinatly the blot that had worked lose. The tack problem was where I had made a solder connection at a plastic conector plug. it vibrated till the wire workhardned and brke lose. The shrink tubing held the ends together that's why the intermint operation.Decided to do something drastic B4 I started you can see the results in the photos. B flying next week Uncle craig MKIIIEX 912ULS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Annual inspection
Date: Nov 11, 2008
agreed, I use only crimp. My weak spot is the push-on flag connectors on my ignition module. I bought the best ones I could find. ok so far. BB On 11, Nov 2008, at 1:14 PM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: > > > Craig/all > > Seems like I had heard that you shouldn't solder wires on airplanes > due to that very problem. What do you guys think? > > I used only crimp connectors in my plane. You also need to support > the wires as much as possible to keep them from moving and breaking. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIC > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson, Craig" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:37 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Annual inspection > > > <> <> <> > <> <> <> > <> <> <> > I have been involved in my annual inspection. Removed the cowling and > found a lose cht bolt and a wire lom nut had come off. I have had some > trouble with the EIS. My tach was working intermintaly and the cht > that > was irregular was deffinatly the blot that had worked lose. The tack > problem was where I had made a solder connection at a plastic conector > plug. it vibrated till the wire workhardned and brke lose. The shrink > tubing held the ends together that's why the intermint > operation.Decided > to do something drastic B4 I started you can see the results in the > photos. B flying next week > Uncle craig > MKIIIEX 912ULS > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Formation flying video - not Kolb related
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 11, 2008
NOT KOB RELATED! .... But you will all enjoy this video of two P-51s in formation flight w/ video taken from cockpit of the second P-51. http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=022754bc -------- Thom Riddle CFI-SP Power Plant Mechanic N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Scratch any cynic, he said, and youll find a disappointed idealist. George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213565#213565 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: help picking video camera
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 11, 2008
I plan on buying a digital video camera with Christmas money. I don't want the most expensive camera but I don't want cheap low quality either. I want to be able to download the videos to youtube and other websites. Do any of you have any reccomendations? Grant Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213594#213594 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: help picking video camera
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Sony is the clear leader in video cameras, with image quality, advanced technology, and quality. I would most definitely recommend a Hard Drive camera, that way you can get like 30 hours or more of recording without ever messing with tapes. With a DV tape or CD camera, they always seem to run out at the the worst possible time, and have you ever tried to change a tape while flying a Kolb, it can be done, but its a pain in the arse ! The Hard drive camera has a really great picture, and Sony cameras have very good Image stabilization which is VERY important when shooting video from an airplane. I'm glad to see you are getting a camera, cant wait to see a bunch of your videos ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213607#213607 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MK III Climb performance with Rotax 503 update 11-10-08
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 11, 2008
I think those rates are great for a 503 on a MK III, it is more than I would have expected. Rough air can hurt climb rates, I would take the readings in perfectly smooth air. Also wind gradients can affect climb rate, If you run into more head wind you can have spikes... I think you might do a little better at 55 mph, I keep mine at 60 just for safety.. I have simulated engine failures at 60 MPH in my kolb, the climb is so steep that it takes darn near a 0 G pushover to keep from stalling, and that is when I am expecting it ! I think a surprise failure at anything less than 60 MPH in climb would be extremely difficult. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213610#213610 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: MK III Climb performance with Rotax 503 update 11-10-08
Date: Nov 11, 2008
There's the key. Can't stall at zero G. I don't care what your attitude is. Sure would help though to have enough wind passing the controls to do something helpful. I have climbed out with secure authority at 45 mph( ASI accuracy questionable) in my clip wing MkIII with one notch flaps. Sure amazes me. I would expect a mush sooner but the ASI kept creeping up so why argue? If I were younger and had more horsepower I would go out and test the extremes of vertical reverse and unusual attitudes. But I'm not. So far the Kolb has been a solid and reliable ride through several questionable situations. BB On 11, Nov 2008, at 9:38 PM, JetPilot wrote: > > I think those rates are great for a 503 on a MK III, it is more > than I would have expected. Rough air can hurt climb rates, I > would take the readings in perfectly smooth air. Also wind > gradients can affect climb rate, If you run into more head wind you > can have spikes... > > I think you might do a little better at 55 mph, I keep mine at 60 > just for safety.. I have simulated engine failures at 60 MPH in > my kolb, the climb is so steep that it takes darn near a 0 G > pushover to keep from stalling, and that is when I am expecting > it ! I think a surprise failure at anything less than 60 MPH in > climb would be extremely difficult. > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213610#213610 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: E-LSA Repairman Course
From: "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net>
Date: Nov 11, 2008
I took mine here Bill, http://www.sportaviationspecialties.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213618#213618 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mark 3C/912 on floats & CHT sending unit
Date: Nov 11, 2008
> The other thing is the CHT sending units on the 912 UL, are they F or C > degrees which dicates which gages to use, some of us use the F gages and > the temp always runs low as does the oil temp. Hi Folks: Don't know who I am responding to. Helps to sign your emails. Its the nice thing to do. All three temp senders on the 912 series engines are 0 to 300 F. Oil pressure sender is 0 to 150 lbs. I use F. You may also use C. If you wish, you may do a little leg work. All this info is available at no charge from Kodiak Research, the Rotax importer. In fact, all the manuals for all the engines, two and four stroke, are available on their web site on line. The reason your instruments are indicating the engine CHT and Oil Temps are low is probably because that is the condition of your engine. The 80 horse 912UL runs extremely cool, especially in the winter. I found that taping the oil cooler will bring the engine oil temps up to a minimum 190F and also raise CHT so the engine will run better in colder OATs. john h mkIII Nellis AFB, NV - Been on the road 6 weeks. Lap top has been down 6 weeks. ;-( This afternoon, lap top was convinced to start working again. Found out I had installed a new stick of memory that was bad. Problem corrected. ;-) Hope to be back at hauck's holler before 2009. Having fun traveling, exploring on dirt bike and atv, and visiting good friends. Probably be in the Monument Valley area next week. I love to fly and drive into that part of Utah. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Econo Miser!!
Date: Nov 11, 2008
> By addition of the air fuel mixture control, Victor 1+ is burning 0.25 gph > less for an eleven percent improvement in fuel economy. > ............................................ > > Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack H: You forgot to brief us on performance before and after. john h mkIII Nellis AFB, NV ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 12, 2008
Subject: Re: UL: Re: Oil for 2 stroke air cooled
Well, that article was written 14 years ago. There are some new options. I prefer a semi-synthetic. I have been using AV-2 in my Kolb Firestar's 503 for 4 years with no problems. I have since found Citgo Superguard Sea & Snow. About $13 a gallon. Citgo also sells Superguard Two Stroke Air Cooled. They are both the same oil- just in different packages. The specs. far exceed what Rotax requires, at a very reasonable price. No, I don't like putting money in Hugo Chaves' pocket, but even Exxon buys oil from him sometimes. Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 11/11/2008 9:21:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rw(at)wittco.net writes: What's the next best one to use? I just read the article on oil at _http://www.theultrahttp://www.http://www.thhttp://_ (http://www.theultralightplace.com/choosing_oil.htm) and it only recommends the above Pennzoil for Rotax engines **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Annual inspection
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Decided to do something drastic B4 I started you can see the results in the photos. B flying next week Uncle craig MKIIIEX 912ULS Uncle Craig: Looks good! Will it fly? When is Milo getting into the air? Kolb "Flyin" at MV 2009 will be here before you know it. john h mkIII Nellis AFB, NV ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Weight limit
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Rick: You must be thinking of Rans S-12's. Kolbs do not have a history of dumping engines on their crews. john h mkIII Nellis AFB, NV The other side of the limit is what will the cage hold in a crash. The reason the army stopped buying Wright aircraft was that too many trainees were killed in relatively light crashes when the engine tore loose from its mounts and crushed them. Rick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
Date: Nov 11, 2008
> Another little thing is just a barely noticeable miss every now and then at 3000 rpm or less. > > I also have to adjust the mixture screw on one carb more than the > recommended 1.5 turns to get a good carb balance. > > I have attended the ROTAX Maintenance Level I course. Don't have all the > tools or confidence to do it right. > > Has anyone had any experience with Bing Agency in Kansas? > http://www.bingcarburetor.com/ > > -------- > Thanks too much, > > John Bickham John B: I don't think you adjust carb balance with mixture adjustments. Contrary to popular belief, I do quite well balancing my carbs mechanically. Idle mixture screws are right where the tech at the Rotax Factory set them during the initial test run. My experience with Bing is very similar to my experience with the Dodge Boys. Charge about three or four prices for everything. Give me a call on my cell phone. Holler if you need the number. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GEO engine for sale
Date: Nov 11, 2008
Mike W: Glad to hear the Suzuki has more torque than a 912uls. I have been flying 912's for 14 years now, and nearly 3,000 hours without knowing that information. I do believe there is a lot more to aircraft engines than torque figures, of course. Price is a very large factor. One gets what one pays for, most of the time. For day to day, hour to hour comparison of performance, reliability, and longevity, I'll gladly pay a little extra to get a proven product over another engine that is much cheaper, has a good reputation in an automobile, but "really" lacks much hard evidence of being a proven aircraft engine. I believe the three banger has not had a good track record in the reduction drive department. Has that problem been solved? The 912 series engines are aircraft engines, not conversions. I don't sell 912's, but I do depend on them to get me there and back home safely. Yep, I don't like the prices of the 912's either, but in the long run they are worth every penny, when one thinks about the environment our hobby takes us. john h mkIII - 2,900+ hours 912ULS - 300+ hours Nellis AFB, NV I went over the HP and torque figures quite awhwile back, when comparing the Suzuki engine to the Rotax 912UL and 912ULS. According the published figures from Suzuki, the Chevy Sprint 3 cyl turbo (same engine as Metro) has significantly more torque than a Rotax 912ULS. Before any of you 912 guys get your feathers ruffled, I'm not denigrating the 912!! It is the best!! It's the trend-setter. It is also quite expensive. So, if you want an engine with the capabilities of something that is much more expensive, and you want it cheap, here's a choice you might consider. Just an idea..... http://www.geometro.bravehost.com/ Mike Welch ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
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Date: Nov 12, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Weight limit
You're right John, I often confuse the Wright Flyer with a Rans S-12 given the great physical similarity.The question was, what is the upper weight limit for an engine on a Kolb airframe, not anything about the history of the Kolb. Eugene, facetiously, suggested it was the difference between empty and gross weights. My comment was meant to suggest the limit might be slightly lower than that. Time for a pill, John. Rick On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:44 PM, John Hauck wrote: > Rick: > > You must be thinking of Rans S-12's. > > Kolbs do not have a history of dumping engines on their crews. > > john h > mkIII > Nellis AFB, NV > > > The other side of the limit is what will the cage hold in a crash. The > reason the army stopped buying Wright aircraft was that too many trainees > were killed in relatively light crashes when the engine tore loose from its > mounts and crushed them. > > Rick > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: MK III Climb performance with Rotax 503 update 11-10-08
Date: Nov 13, 2008
I climb at 55mph, 1 up and 60 two up with a MK111 503. simulated engine outs would indicate these speeds to be OK. That is flying off a field at 80ft msl. Not in a Kolb but I lost a gear box drive with a Truster powered by a 503 at 350 ft at about 55 mph and the recovery and landing were all sort of uneventfull { just a high heart rate }The truster was a very high drag aircraft. Engine out landings were almost a auto rotate decent and if you added some side slip you could almost come straight down. Regards Tony Down under MK111 c 503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK III Climb performance with Rotax 503 update 11-10-08 > > I think those rates are great for a 503 on a MK III, it is more than I > would have expected. Rough air can hurt climb rates, I would take the > readings in perfectly smooth air. Also wind gradients can affect climb > rate, If you run into more head wind you can have spikes... > > I think you might do a little better at 55 mph, I keep mine at 60 just for > safety.. I have simulated engine failures at 60 MPH in my kolb, the > climb is so steep that it takes darn near a 0 G pushover to keep from > stalling, and that is when I am expecting it ! I think a surprise failure > at anything less than 60 MPH in climb would be extremely difficult. > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213610#213610 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MK III Climb performance with Rotax 503 update 11-10-08
From: "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 12, 2008
> There's the key. Can't stall at zero G. I don't care what your > attitude is. > > Sure would help though to have enough wind passing the controls to do > something helpful. Can remember watching a video of unusual attitude recovery training and using the DC-10 recovering from a very high nose attitude / low airspeed upset scenario as an example, they had sufficient roll, pitch and yaw authority to recover to straight and level flight starting at 80 Kts ! Yes 80 Kts . . . and that was because despite the high nose attitude, with less than 1 G pitch loading, they were NOT stalled and therefore had aerodynamic control available. They lowered the nose with rudder input, not elevator, keeping at or about zero G pitch loading. That produced about a 75 degrees left wing low roll attitude, like a wing over maneuver, then as the nose fell below the horizon started rolling it level with aileron to a nose low, wings level attitude, then as it started to accelerate gradually introduced elevator pressure to recover to straight and level. So the DC-10 was under full, if somewhat sluggish, aerodynamic control starting at 80 Kts. Very impressive ! David. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213721#213721 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2008
From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
JBM makes better quality boots for less money,for ALL Rotax and HKS engines. ________________________________ From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:32:06 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64 John, I went up to Council Groves and met the guys at the Bing Agency. If it's for a Bing, they have it in quantity. Before you start tearing carbs apart, check the carb boots. I had the same problems with my HKS that you're experiencing and found the carb boots were rotten. Multiple cracks and fissures on the inside, outside they looked brand new. Rick On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:16 AM, John Bickham wrote: Hello list, Well I think it is time for me to overhaul the Bing 64 carbs on my 912UL. The engine is running fine. We have had a stretch of great weather and it is hard to pull the carbs off and quite flying. I think I am the victim of CRS disease. One problem I'm having on start up is rough running until enricher (choke) is closed. I don't remember that in the first couple of hundred hours. I think it is one of those things that has crept in slowly and gotten to the point it is noticeable now. Another little thing is just a barely noticeable miss every now and then at 3000 rpm or less. I also have to adjust the mixture screw on one carb more than the recommended 1.5 turns to get a good carb balance. I have attended the ROTAX Maintenance Level I course. Don't have all the tools or confidence to do it right. Has anyone had any experience with Bing Agency in Kansas? http://www.bingcarburetor.com/ -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as slow as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213494#213494 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: Mark 3C/912 on floats & CHT sending unit
Date: Nov 12, 2008
SAFE TO READ -- REQUIRES NO AN SWER > Glad you're having a fun trip. > "Lap top has been down 6 weeks." --? sounds like heaven Have a ball Russ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 12, 2008
John, I've done the take-apart, clean, inspect and replace worn parts on Bing 64s several times, including on type certificated Rotax engines. STEP 1, (do not omit): Buy Bing's Carb Manual for $10 including shipping. It tells you all you need to know about how the Bing carbs work and how to inspect etc. STEP 2: It is not hard to do if you are careful and DO ONE CARB AT A TIME or otherwise make sure you keep all the parts of one carb separate from the other. Some of the parts between the left and right carb are not interchangeable. STEP 3: After you've taken them apart, cleaned and inspected, you can tell which parts actually need replacement, and buy only those parts. It will probably save you a LOT of money. I've never needed to buy more than about $30-40 worth of parts for any Bing 64 carb, even on those that have had 2,000 hours in service without overhaul. BING usually has the highest prices on parts. Shop around and you'll save a good bit. -------- Thom Riddle CFI-SP Power Plant Mechanic N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Scratch any cynic, he said, and youll find a disappointed idealist. George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213733#213733 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
Date: Nov 12, 2008
Rick: How long were the carb boots in service on the HKS when you discovered they were unserviceable? john h mkIII I had the same problems with my HKS that you're experiencing and found the carb boots were rotten. Multiple cracks and fissures on the inside, outside they looked brand new. Rick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Weight limit
Date: Nov 12, 2008
Rick: You are absolutely correct. Thought the bit of info on RANS S-12's would be of interest to the List. As far as Kolb history, I don't remember a Kolb accident where the engine seperated from the airframe or the airframe collapsed, allowing the engine to come down on the crew. I doubt there is any published info on max engine weight on Kolbs. Did I miss a pill? Thought I took them before I went to bed last night. john h mkIII The question was, what is the upper weight limit for an engine on a Kolb airframe, not anything about the history of the Kolb. . Time for a pill, John. Rick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: digital video kolb list
Date: Nov 12, 2008
My neighbor's son developed a camera the size of a credit card about 3/32 inch thick, and I wanted something that would fit in my pocket. so when I asked where I could purchase one, he told me "forget about my camera get a "casio exlim EX - Z80"" it will take still photos, video's, and has a mode for u tube built in,,, plus many other features.. my friend and I did some air to ground photography of a tour de cure bike ride and we did some video of on coming bikes,, our speed was about 80 and the bikes were doing lets say around 15,,, so with a 95 mph closing rate we were very pleased with the results. It has capabilities of 8.1 mega pixels with 3 x optical zoom with another 2 x digital zoom.. and it fits in your pocket. While reviewing pictures taken in video mode you can isolate any frame and convert it to a still picture. And it does sound as well. It is not the quality of many SLR'S but we wanted a smaller size to take hiking etc. we used at least 3 different cameras on that day,,, you could go to the American diabetes association web sight and there should be a link to the photos. Last month there was a fire in the neighborhood and I took a small video and uploaded it to the local tv station and it was good enough quality they used it on the news. Boyd Young Kolb MkIII C 555+ hours and counting Brigham City Utah. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I plan on buying a digital video camera with Christmas money. I don't want the most expensive camera but I don't want cheap low quality either. I want to be able to download the videos to youtube and other websites. Do any of you have any reccomendations? Grant ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Econo Miser!!
> >You forgot to brief us on performance before and after. > John, I thought I did. The average fuel flow rate after mounting the system was 2.03 gph. The average fuel flow rate before mounting the system over the same total time period was 2.38 gph. Since I could not subtract correctly, I will give the corrected difference in that the system has reduced the average flow rate by 0.35 gph for a 15% reduction in flow rate with the system. This indicates that for every three hours flown, I get a half hour flight for free. If you are talking about flight performance, at this time there is no change. With the leaning, the engine picks up some rpm and so I could crank a little more pitch into the IVO. At this point, I would rather leave the pitch alone and take some more fuel flow data at lower and higher EGT's to see what effect it would have on the fuel flow rate. I was lucky to get as much data as I did for the time of the year. So I may not be able to complete the data taking until next year. One of the things I discovered from trying to develop a good static pressure source, is that on a pusher with the carburetor very close in front of the propeller, in my case about one foot, engine performance is degraded. This is due to the fact that the propeller is accelerating (sucking) the air and in doing so causes a local pressure drop. I discovered this when I tried to place a static pressure tap on the bottom of the carburetor. Also, I discovered that with the pressure was very unstable. A change in direction could cause a change in pressure. I believe this was caused by the engine profile blanking the propeller entrance air flow relative as one crabbed into the wind. By moving the reference point below the wing all of this variation went away. There are several things, I don't understand. One is that with the EGT elevated and at cruise rpm, I can push the stick forward, and raise the rpm 200 rpm without the EGT increasing. Or I can power down at 500 fpm and reduce the throttle a little to maintain constant rpm and the EGT does on increase. This makes it very nice for approaching an airport, as I do not have to slow up to loose altitude. There is some kind of interaction within the system that makes it some what self compensating. Cold out side and no flying so I am rambling. Fly Safe! Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Econo Miser!!
Date: Nov 12, 2008
> > There are several things, I don't understand. One is that with the EGT > elevated and at cruise rpm, I can push the stick forward, and raise the > rpm > 200 rpm without the EGT increasing. Or I can power down at 500 fpm and > reduce the throttle a little to maintain constant rpm and the EGT does on > increase. This makes it very nice for approaching an airport, as I do not > have to slow up to loose altitude. There is some kind of interaction > within > the system that makes it some what self compensating. > > Cold out side and no flying so I am rambling. > > Fly Safe! > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, Jack H: Very interesting. Certainly not a normal reaction for a two stroke aircraft engine. When I started flying my newly built Kolb Ultrastar in 1984, I had no experience flying with a two stroke. I flew almost every day back then. Most flights were filled with experiments. On one particular flight I noticed the two stroke seemed to make large rpm changes when loaded and unloaded, maintaining constant throttle at cruise rpm. Push the nose over and the rpm would rapidly increase. Pull the stick back and rpm would be rapidly reduced. I also noticed EGT changes during these maneuvers. Unload the engine, egt climbed. Load the engine, egt dropped. Wow! I had never read this info in any of the magazines and books that were available about Ultralights. About this time I discovered our airplanes should be propped using same technique as propping a boat. WOT, straight and level flight, bump the red line. Of course, this worked with non-inflight adjustable props. I also learned, in most cases, Rotax and Cuyuna engines were tuned correctly when they left the factory. Propping the engine/aircraft combo correctly would put all engine temps, EGT/CHT, in the green. It was not necessary to change jets and spark plug heat ranges when based up to 1500 feet ASL with operating temps 40 to well over 100F. That was 24 years ago. I think that system still holds true today. I still prop my engines, 912 series now, WOT, straight and level flight, just bump the red line, the same way. john h mkIII Las Vegas, NV ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
Date: Nov 12, 2008
From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
"John Bickham" wrote: << Well I think it is time for me to overhaul the Bing 64 carbs on my 912UL. ... Has anyone had any experience with Bing Agency in Kansas? Thanks too much, John Bickham >> John - I had one of my Bing-64s overhauled by Lockwood last summer, following ingestion of salt water from my "unfortunate" landing on the salt flats a year & a half ago. The cost was about $145, and they did an excellent job - my 912ul runs perfectly again. That price included a new float bowl. Here's my experience with the Bing factory in Kansas - I called 'em and asked if THEY could rebuild my carb (before I went to Lockwood). Once they found out that my Bing-64 was off a Rotax aircraft engine, and not from a snowmobile or jet ski, they flat out refused to even look at it. That was OK by me, because I'd rather have mechanics with experience on real aircraft engines fix my engine parts. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, 912ul Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
John, Just a bit over a year. The story I got was that they had a bad batch in 2005 (there's a service bulletin from HKS on this) and it took awhile to work them all through the system. Despite the fact that they were bad from the factory I had to pay for them. They did let me have them for cost, though. Rick On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:04 AM, John Hauck wrote: > Rick: > > How long were the carb boots in service on the HKS when you discovered they > were unserviceable? > > john h > mkIII > > I had the same problems with my HKS that you're experiencing and found > the carb boots were rotten. Multiple cracks and fissures on the inside, > outside they looked brand new. > > Rick > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: starter housing
Date: Nov 12, 2008
Hi, Just took my engine off just now and found something that puzzled me. I do not believe that it is a problem, but I would like other opinions. The outside ring of the starter housing is cracked. All the main fastening areas are secure, I do not know when it occurred or why, possibly torqued incorrectly. I have the engine sold, but do not want to pass anything off to someone that will be a problem. I have 180 hours on the engine, have always used Penn air cooled with Marvel mystery oil and Sta bil. The pistons and rings are great, no carbon, clean as a whistle. Larry C, Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2008
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: starter housing
Larry The pic shows that the mounting ring is now out of alignment after the crack occurred...It may be that the starter or ring was not flat when first mounted.. and torqued down in a bind... any way...just have it tigged.. I have seen it before... Could also be the unsupported weight of the starter along with the weakness of the mounting ring...especially when starting..Herb At 02:40 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > Just took my engine off just now and found something that > puzzled me. I do not believe that it is a problem, but I would like > other opinions. The outside ring of the starter housing is cracked. > All the main fastening areas are secure, I do not know when it > occurred or why, possibly torqued incorrectly. I have the engine > sold, but do not want to pass anything off to someone that will be > a problem. I have 180 hours on the engine, have always used Penn > air cooled with Marvel mystery oil and Sta bil. The pistons and > rings are great, no carbon, clean as a whistle. >Larry C, Oregon > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: starter housing
Date: Nov 12, 2008
----- Original Message ----- From: herb To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: starter housing Larry The pic shows that the mounting ring is now out of alignment after the crack occurred...It may be that the starter or ring was not flat when first mounted.. and torqued down in a bind... any way...just have it tigged.. I have seen it before... Could also be the unsupported weight of the starter along with the weakness of the mounting ring...especially when starting..Herb I just got off the phone with Ronnie Smith of South Mississippi light aircraft. He tells me that the starter was torqued down too tight. It is supposed to have some slack in it to allow for movement when the starter is engaged. Thanks Herb for the suggestion, I will have to do that. Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2008
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: starter housing
Now I remember....the starter on a 532 engine , sitting in a bedroom, has rubber bushings of sorts between the starter and housing ring...Herb At 03:52 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:herbgh(at)nctc.com>herb >To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:08 PM >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: starter housing > ><herbgh(at)nctc.com> > >Larry > > The pic shows that the mounting ring is now out of alignment >after the crack occurred...It may be that the starter or ring was not >flat when first mounted.. and torqued down in a bind... any >way...just have it tigged.. I have seen it before... Could also be >the unsupported weight of the starter along with the weakness of the >mounting ring...especially when starting..Herb > > >I just got off the phone with Ronnie Smith of South Mississippi >light aircraft. He tells me that the starter was torqued down too >tight. It is supposed to have some slack in it to allow for movement >when the starter is engaged. > >Thanks Herb for the suggestion, I will have to do that. >Larry > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2008
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: help picking video camera
At 07:25 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote: > >I plan on buying a digital video camera with Christmas money. I >don't want the most expensive camera but I don't want cheap low quality either. > >I want to be able to download the videos to youtube and other websites. > >Do any of you have any reccomendations? > >Grant This one works pretty good - about 2 years old. I'm sure they have better or newer models now. Can shoot about 30 minutes of HD video on a charge. It records on a chip that you can take out & plug into your computer - You can make mpeg4s for Youtube or burn HD disk for the TV or just watch & edit it on the computer. http://www.broadwayphoto.com/productlistings.aspx?FC=F_SYVPCHD1AG&L=google On the cage/gap seal: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6787107193246239411&hl=en On the wing: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=263159682459782825&hl=en On my helmet: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2887020469201792731&hl=en ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 12, 2008
Subject: Re: UL: Re: Oil for 2 stroke air cooled
As I stated before, I have been using AV-2 for about 4 years with no problems. The 10 gallons I had are about gone, but that stuff is expensive, especially by the time you figure in freight, etc. Also, I don't know what's in there. I emailed CPS for specs. & got no answer. I recommend anyone looking for 2 stroke air cooled oil, check out the following: _http://seadoosportboats.com/2-CYCLE-ROTAX-OIL-BRAND-LIST-t846.html_ (http://seadoosportboats.com/2-CYCLE-ROTAX-OIL-BRAND-LIST-t846.html) _http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/75957.html?1221786543_ (http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/75957.html?1221786543) _http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/465177.pdf_ (http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/465177.pdf) No, I don't work for Citgo. Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 11/12/2008 8:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sabamickey(at)yahoo.com writes: what about AV-2? **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Advice on 912 carb overhaul - Bing 64
From: "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Nov 13, 2008
Appreciate all the ideas and input. Just got of the phone with John H. out in NV. He is enjoying USAF company. Ordered the BING manual today. More information can't hurt. Probably will order the rebuild kit from CPS tomorrow. Kit has everything but new floats. Ronnie Smith at SMLA suggested getting the kit. He only has the individual parts. Engine is coming up on 9 years old. Time to change all those little rubber parts. Once I get all that, will decide to make attempt at overhauling the carbs myself. Ronnie Smith is there if I need him. Appreciate the help. May need more help when I get started. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA Landing a plane and being married - a few smooth moments mixed with a lot of bad ones. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213895#213895 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%...
As of the 13th, the Fund Raiser is currently about 30% behind last year in terms of the number of Contributions. Yet, oddly the number of messages posted per day is up by 10 to 20% on the average. It costs real money to run these Lists and they are supported 100% though your Contributions during the Fund Raiser. Won't you please take a minute right now to make your Contribution to keep these Lists up and running? Contribution Page: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 14, 2008
I know a few of you fly the MKIII C and X models with 912s. What are your average cruise and stall speeds calibrated to ground speed and your climb rates and fuel burn? Grant Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214294#214294 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2008
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
MkIIIC w/ 912S & 3-blade Warp Drive prop, at field elevation of 235 msl Slow cruise : 65mph Fast cruise: 85mph Stall: 42mph, no flaps Climb rate: on a good day, 1400fpm; average around 1100fpm Fuel burn: @ 65mph, 3gph, @85 mph, 4.5gph On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:19 PM, grantr wrote: > > I know a few of you fly the MKIII C and X models with 912s. > > What are your average cruise and stall speeds calibrated to ground speed and your climb rates and fuel burn? > > > Grant > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214294#214294 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2008
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
> I know a few of you fly the MKIII C and X models with 912s. > > What are your average cruise and stall speeds calibrated to ground speed and your climb rates and fuel burn? > > > Grant Grant: Help me out. Are you referring to 912ULS? or 912's? Also, explain "What are your average cruise and stall speeds calibrated to ground speed ", please. I fly a mkIIIc with 912ULS: Cruise 82-83 mph at 5,000 rpm loaded at max gross of 1,200 lbs. Stalls clean, 10 gal fuel and me, about 38 mph. With full flaps in ground effect as she breaks in a full stall landing, the needle is coming through 30 mph. My 912ULS burns 5 gph at 5,000, 5.5 gph at 5,200. My 912UL burned 4 gph at 5,000 and 4.25 gph at 5,200, and 4.5 gph at 5400. john h mkIII Mesquite, NV ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: help picking video camera
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Nov 15, 2008
Grant, One thing to keep in mind with a hard drive camera is that metal disks in hard drives are supported by air bearings. When researching video cameras I was looking at operating limitations (max-min temperature, etc) and noticed that most hard drive cameras in my price range were not recommended above 8000ft density altitude. That ruled them out for my use. It may not be an issue depending on where you typically operate. Eastern Oregon flying often requires cruising above 8000' if you want more than two minutes of glide above rough terrain. The trade off in mid range cameras is quality vs convenience. I bought a mini DV camera a year ago because at that time I could get picture quality equal to a hard drive camera at 1/2 the price because of the video compression needed in the hard drive camera. The downside is that getting files off of tape is a real pain compared to dragging and dropping files off of a hard drive or memory card. Mini DV is going away and hard drive cameras are getting cheaper. Looking back, the convenience factor is more important than I thought. There are a lot of files still on tape that I haven't bothered to put online because of the time it takes to play it out of the camera into the computer. I agree that a hard drive camera is a great way to go if it fits your budget and operating window. This info is accurate as of a year ago. Check the specs an any camera you are interested in to see if there are altitude limitations. Good luck on your quest. I look forward to seeing your clips online. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214348#214348 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 15, 2008
Grant, The Rotax 912 is a vastly superior engine to the Jabiru in both performance and reliability. The 912 turns the prop slower than the Jabiru and results in much better performance on a Kolb. My numbers are very close to John and RLaird. Climb with a 912-S is about 1300 FPM at 5200 RPM, Stall at 30, and slow cruise at 70 MPH burning just over3 GPH at 4200 RPM. I don't do fast cruise, I have no numbers for that. The 912 is perfect for the airplane... Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214379#214379 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
Date: Nov 15, 2008
Wellllll, there are some of us who would disagree that the 912 is vastly superior...and that it provides much better performance. Jerry On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:34 AM, JetPilot wrote: > > Grant, > > The Rotax 912 is a vastly superior engine to the Jabiru in both > performance and reliability. The 912 turns the prop slower than > the Jabiru and results in much better performance on a Kolb. My > numbers are very close to John and RLaird. > > Climb with a 912-S is about 1300 FPM at 5200 RPM, Stall at 30, and > slow cruise at 70 MPH burning just over3 GPH at 4200 RPM. I don't > do fast cruise, I have no numbers for that. The 912 is perfect > for the airplane... > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214379#214379 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 503 cabin heater
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net>
Date: Nov 15, 2008
Thanks to the ideas sent to me I built the heater and tested it today. I just put a restrictor plate on the hot air duct and 2" scat hose through the firewall between my feet. It's a 10 big dogs breath heater. The CHT's behaved just fine. I like things simple so there are no contrlos, just put the restrictor plate on for the winter and take it off for the summer. I could make a couple different sized restrictor plates for when it gets real cold I guess. ground adjustable only. Pictures attached. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214391#214391 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/restrictor_plate_178.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/503_cabin_heater_838.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dickk9(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 15, 2008
Subject: Fwd: [A Must See Video For Pilots And Vets THIS IS AMAZING
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From: Dickk9(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 15, 2008
Subject: A must see
From: In 1968 (1967?) a SR-71 made an emergency landing at Grand Force AFB and was "parked" between two B-52 hangers close to the N/S road that paralled the base runway. The aircraft was completely visible to anyone using the road. Immediately after landing, GFAFB security established machine gun "nests" close to the plane. The two man crew could not exit the plane until a C-130 arrived from Edwards AFB with the ground support equipment and aircraft technicians to evacuate the crew and "fix" whatever the problem(s) were. Of course, everyone on the base came to see the 71 and security had to control traffi c. After the "fixes" were accomplished (two days?), the 71 exited the base heading north. A few minutes later it returned at a very low altitude at tremendous speed in a fly by. It was awesome and was probably witnessed by about everyone on the base. Eye candy for people who like airplanes Grab your beverage and relax for a few minutes of awesome beauty. The SR-71 was the creation of Kelly Johnson, Lockheed, Eisenhower and the Air Force. It was envisioned in the '50s, first flew in the early '60s, retired in the '80s, briefly brought back in the '90s. In all, 13 units of the single seat A-12 were built, and 32 of the Pilot + Recon two seat SR-71 units were built. Five A-12 were lost, one is stored. Twelve two seaters were lost. The remaining 27 are on display around the USA .. The closest is at Atwater, the old Castle AFB museum at Merced with 50 other classic warplanes. You probably have a better opportunity of viewing the one in San Diego. Ask me and I'll tell you where the others are. NY, OR, OH, DC, etc. I can find most answers to most questions. Just ask. Start with the 2000+ mph, the 80,000 feet + altitude. More if you wish. So enjoy. One more thing. The author of the captions to the picture in this video made one misstatement, due to youth. The U-2 Recon aircraft was created in 1955, flew operationally in 1956. Kelly thought the USSR would shoot it down in 18 months. Lucky us, it flew until Gary Powers was downed on 1 May 1960. But Kelly Johnson already had the go-ahead from Ike for the A-12. It first flew in 1962, JFK kept the manufacture of it active. No one told LBJ, 'cause everyone knew he would spill the secret. He wasn't told til the week after JFK left us. And sure enough, LBJ gave out the secret in a matter of months. Anyhow, the most interesting, most exciting five years of my life were spent in the program, as a KC-135 refueling pilot. Where the Blackbird went, we went. You will see several refuelings in the following. Enjoy. Click here to view the slideshow: _http://www.greatdanepromilitary.com/SR-71/index.htm_ (http://www.greatdanepromilitary.com/SR-71/index.htm) **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: 503 cabin heater
Date: Nov 15, 2008
Tom, If you did it the way that I think you did then all you will have to do is make a alum fitting that goes through the firewall with a swing gate inside the fitting to either open or close the gate. Attaching your scat tubing to the new fitting. Larry C, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Jones To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 503 cabin heater Thanks to the ideas sent to me I built the heater and tested it today. I just put a restrictor plate on the hot air duct and 2" scat hose through the firewall between my feet. It's a 10 big dogs breath heater. The CHT's behaved just fine. I like things simple so there are no contrlos, just put the restrictor plate on for the winter and take it off for the summer. I could make a couple different sized restrictor plates for when it gets real cold I guess. ground adjustable only. Pictures attached. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214391#214391 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/restrictor_plate_178.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/503_cabin_heater_838.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 11/15/2008 6:57 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 15, 2008
[quote="Ricochet"]Wellllll, there are some of us who would disagree that the 912 is vastly superior...and that it provides much better performance. Jerry On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:34 AM, JetPilot wrote: [quote] > [b] Then you would be wrong... It has been tried, and the results are in the archives to prove it. The 912 is a better engine on a Kolb, PERIOD. If you ended up with the inferior Jabiru on your Kolb, then I'm sorry for you, but that is no reason to try to get others to make the same mistake. There is a really good reason that 80 % of all LSA airplanes today use the Rotax 912 series engine, and not the Jabiru. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214433#214433 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Weight limit
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 15, 2008
Just because you CAN put a very heavy engine on a Kolb MK III does not mean that you would want to. The Kolb MK III flys a lot nicer when it is kept relatively light. I have flown my Kolb at light weights alone, and at very heavy weights with a bunch of gas and a heavy passenger. The Kolb feels more like a 172 and not a Kolb when it is very heavy. Being to heavy takes a lot of fun out of the Kolb. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214434#214434 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's My Contribution Used For?
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Subject: Re: BFR
From: "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com>
Date: Nov 16, 2008
I took my Flight Review in my Kolbra with a CFI that knew very little about Light Experimentals. I spent a lot of time talking about the aircraft and Sport Pilot with him. He wanted a chance to fly it and it worked out well. We had a great day for it too. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 21 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 0 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214541#214541 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
Date: Nov 16, 2008
Jerry/All A direct drive high RPM engine just can't produce the same thrust per HP as a reduction drive engine turning a big slow turning prop. I did a fairly close direct comparison between direct drive and reduction drive and the differences were drastically better with the reduction drive engine. The VW engine runs at a slightly higher RPM (3200 @ cruise and 3500 @ climb) than a Jabiru so the differences may not be as drastic but the differences are still significant. The primary consideration is that a big slow turning prop is more efficient in turning horse power into thrust than a small higher RPM prop. I have seen a 85 HP Jabiru powered Kolb MKIIIX fly and was impressed with it's performance but I would guess that this just adequate performance is due to a no compromise highly tuned prop. Most of us redrive powered Kolb flyers get sufficient performance that we tend to migrate more towards durability, smoothness, convenience than ultimate performance. I first flew my Kolb MKIIIC with a direct drive VW. The direct drive engine was 2180cc Great Plaines engine turning a 60 X 28 two bladed wood prop. I could only fly solo out of my strip and I would get a 65MKH cruise at close to 80% power. After a few years of flying this engine I switched to a almost identical reduction drive VW engine on the same plane. The reduction drive is a 1.6 to one drive turning a three bladed 72 inch PowerFin. I gained two passenger performance, cruise speed increased to 75MKH with 65-70% power, my oil/CHT temps lowered, my fuel consumption lowered, and all this running the same engine RPMs as my direct drive engine. Again my VW turns a bit more RPMs and my direct drive prop might not have been finely tuned as it could have been but the differences are still vast. There is at least one kit airplane the offers a 120HP Jabiru as a option rather than offering a reduction drive engine. The price of fuel will likely return to the $4/ gallon price so I feel it would be best to get the most performance we can out of the horse power we are feeding our airplanes rather than increasing the HP to get the needed thrust. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Jones To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru? Wellllll, there are some of us who would disagree that the 912 is vastly superior...and that it provides much better performance. Jerry On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:34 AM, JetPilot wrote: Grant, The Rotax 912 is a vastly superior engine to the Jabiru in both performance and reliability. The 912 turns the prop slower than the Jabiru and results in much better performance on a Kolb. My numbers are very close to John and RLaird. Climb with a 912-S is about 1300 FPM at 5200 RPM, Stall at 30, and slow cruise at 70 MPH burning just over3 GPH at 4200 RPM. I don't do fast cruise, I have no numbers for that. The 912 is perfect for the airplane... Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214379#214379 (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts! List Contribution Web Site: --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - The Kolb-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - http://forums.matronics.com =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
Date: Nov 16, 2008
Rick, I appreciate your informed input. I can't speak for Jabs/Rotax 4- cycle engines on Kolbs, but I can on Titans. The arguments from both sides, I've found, change nobody's mind, typically generating more heat than light. That said, I had both a Jab 2200 and a 3300 on my Titan and found performance comparable to reported performance of comparable 912s (of course the 100 hp 912 had fewer horses than the 128 hp Jab), and had slightly less fuel burn. Every sport pilot here in Madera flies behind/in front of a Jab, with one also flying behind a 912S. I could be a little biased, I've owned five Jab engines, and if buying another engine, that's prolly what I'd buy again, for various reasons, but I wouldn't hesitate to own a Rotax either. For sure, very early Jabs had teething problems and didn't produce near the power claimed, but that was long ago and far, far in the past. And, none of us have had to land out because of an engine problem. Now, back to my cellar.... Jerry On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:15 AM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: > Jerry/All > > A direct drive high RPM engine just can't produce the same thrust > per HP as a reduction drive engine turning a big slow turning prop. > I did a fairly close direct comparison between direct drive and > reduction drive and the differences were drastically better with > the reduction drive engine. The VW engine runs at a slightly higher > RPM (3200 @ cruise and 3500 @ climb) than a Jabiru so the > differences may not be as drastic but the differences are still > significant. The primary consideration is that a big slow turning > prop is more efficient in turning horse power into thrust than a > small higher RPM prop. I have seen a 85 HP Jabiru powered Kolb > MKIIIX fly and was impressed with it's performance but I would > guess that this just adequate performance is due to a no compromise > highly tuned prop. Most of us redrive powered Kolb flyers get > sufficient performance that we tend to migrate more towards > durability, smoothness, convenience than ultimate performance. > > I first flew my Kolb MKIIIC with a direct drive VW. The direct > drive engine was 2180cc Great Plaines engine turning a 60 X 28 two > bladed wood prop. I could only fly solo out of my strip and I would > get a 65MKH cruise at close to 80% power. After a few years of > flying this engine I switched to a almost identical reduction drive > VW engine on the same plane. The reduction drive is a 1.6 to one > drive turning a three bladed 72 inch PowerFin. I gained two > passenger performance, cruise speed increased to 75MKH with 65-70% > power, my oil/CHT temps lowered, my fuel consumption lowered, and > all this running the same engine RPMs as my direct drive engine. > Again my VW turns a bit more RPMs and my direct drive prop might > not have been finely tuned as it could have been but the > differences are still vast. > > There is at least one kit airplane the offers a 120HP Jabiru as a > option rather than offering a reduction drive engine. The price of > fuel will likely return to the $4/ gallon price so I feel it would > be best to get the most performance we can out of the horse power > we are feeding our airplanes rather than increasing the HP to get > the needed thrust. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Jones > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or > jabiru? > > Wellllll, there are some of us who would disagree that the 912 is > vastly superior...and that it provides much better performance. > > Jerry > > On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:34 AM, JetPilot wrote: > >> >> Grant, >> >> The Rotax 912 is a vastly superior engine to the Jabiru in both >> performance and reliability. The 912 turns the prop slower than >> the Jabiru and results in much better performance on a Kolb. My >> numbers are very close to John and RLaird. >> >> Climb with a 912-S is about 1300 FPM at 5200 RPM, Stall at 30, >> and slow cruise at 70 MPH burning just over3 GPH at 4200 RPM. I >> don't do fast cruise, I have no numbers for that. The 912 >> is perfect for the airplane... >> >> Mike >> >> -------- >> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast >> as you could have !!! >> >> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214379#214379 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> < 0px; margin-bottom: margin-right: margin-top:>(And Get Some >> AWESOME FREE Gifts!) >> November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on >> < 0px; margin-bottom: margin-right: margin-top:>this year's >> Terrific Free Incentive Gifts! >> List Contribution Web Site: >> < 0px; margin-bottom: margin-right: margin-top:>--> http:// >> www.matronics.com/contribution >> < 0px; margin-bottom: margin-right: margin-top:>Thank you for your >> generous support! >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> - The Kolb-List Email Forum - >> < Un List as such utilities many margin-top:the> >> <> >> < 0px; margin-bottom: margin-right: margin-top:>--> http:// >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution Dralle, List =========== >> Features Chat, FAQ, href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb- >> List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List the Web >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2008
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
Jerry Seems that the Titan cannot run a long enough prop to make the 912 a good alternative? Basically...Jabs do well on clean planes. titans,Sonex etc.....Redriven 912's are well suited to any plane where they can swing a long and more efficient prop.. Herb ps a Jab is absolutely unsuited to a Kolb MkIII or Cobra... At 11:45 AM 11/16/2008, you wrote: >Rick, > >I appreciate your informed input. I can't speak for Jabs/Rotax >4-cycle engines on Kolbs, but I can on Titans. The arguments from >both sides, I've found, change nobody's mind, typically generating >more heat than light. That said, I had both a Jab 2200 and a 3300 >on my Titan and found performance comparable to reported performance >of comparable 912s (of course the 100 hp 912 had fewer horses than >the 128 hp Jab), and had slightly less fuel burn. Every sport pilot >here in Madera flies behind/in front of a Jab, with one also flying >behind a 912S. I could be a little biased, I've owned five Jab >engines, and if buying another engine, that's prolly what I'd buy >again, for various reasons, but I wouldn't hesitate to own a Rotax >either. For sure, very early Jabs had teething problems and didn't >produce near the power claimed, but that was long ago and far, far >in the past. And, none of us have had to land out because of an >engine problem. > >Now, back to my cellar.... > >Jerry > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: BFR
Date: Nov 16, 2008
If that was the only plane there was to fly, I would walk. (Calm down Pat) Larry, I am calm. I am calm. Of course never having flown a Firefly I couldn`t possible comment. On the other hand..... Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2008
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
> Wellllll, there are some of us who would disagree that the 912 is vastly superior...and that it provides much better performance. > > > Jerry Does Jerry have a Jab powered Kolb? I have a 912 powered Kolb and have had a chance to compare performance between John Williamson's Jab powered Kolbra and my mkIII. I said "a chance", but that translates into many hours and days flying long cross country flights together when John W had the Jab. To be quite honest, there was no comparison, except in cruise flight. Cruise flight was comparable. Takeoff and climb, the 912 powered mkIII ate the Jab powered Kolbra up. 2005, I met John W in Canon City, CO, enroute to our annual flying at Monument Valley. John had upgraded to a 912ULS. He led me out of Canon City and I had to keep asking him to slow down and wait for me. We were on our way to Leadville, CO. Really irritated me that John W's Kolbra outperformed my mkIII. I have known other direct drive Kolbs in the past. Performance sucked with Jab, Subaru, and VW. Haven't heard from our BMW powered Kolbs lately, but I don't think they will blow the doors off our 912 powered Kolbs either. Any time you all want to go wing to wing and see which system outperforms which, Hauck is more than ready. ;-) john h Mesquite, NV ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2008
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
---- Jerry Jones wrote: > Rick, > > I appreciate your informed input. I can't speak for Jabs/Rotax 4- > cycle engines on Kolbs, but I can on Titans. > > Jerry > Jerry: There is no comparison between a Titan and a Kolb. Direct drive may work on a Titan, but it does not work on Kolbs. Would have saved some typing had you said you were a Titan guy and not a Kolb guy. ;-) Take care, john h Mesquite, NV until tomorrow... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
Date: Nov 16, 2008
John, no disagreement with you here about the difference between a Kolb and a Titan. Was just responding to an imprecise, unqualified statement. Like I've said previously, wish I still owned by 503 DCDI Firestar, but it is no more. The new owner rolled it up in a ball when his tail caught the top wire of a barbed wire fence. That said, me thinks you too may be a bit imprecise when you say direct drive doesn't work on a Kolb. I've seen them work on even draggier pushers. How about won't work as well as geared engines? Okay. That's it. Now back to my hole until I see my shadow... Jerry On Nov 16, 2008, at 5:25 PM, wrote: > > > ---- Jerry Jones wrote: >> Rick, >> >> I appreciate your informed input. I can't speak for Jabs/Rotax 4- >> cycle engines on Kolbs, but I can on Titans. > >> Jerry >> > > > Jerry: > > There is no comparison between a Titan and a Kolb. > > Direct drive may work on a Titan, but it does not work on Kolbs. > > Would have saved some typing had you said you were a Titan guy and > not a Kolb guy. ;-) > > Take care, > > john h > Mesquite, NV until tomorrow... > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: cold weather flight suit
Date: Nov 17, 2008
Wanted to give the List the first crack at a very good deal. I have an Army Chopper Cold weather suit I got a few years ago when I was flying open rag wings. It kept me nice and comfy no matter the temp. It is a military type jump suit with lots and lots of pockets, well insulated but not bulky. Didnt wear it much as I dont like the cold. You guys know more about the material than I do except I guess it is fire resistant and has the special padding in the inside for warmth. I have worn it in 60 degree weather and never got hot either. Not bulky like snow mobile suites as I remember them. Anyway, anyone flying a kolb ultrastar would love this. I used it in a Firestar and a Kobra. Give ya a good price. $150 and you pay the postage. Will send pics or try to post them with this article. Ted Cowan, Kolb Slingshot, 912UL, Alabama. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 17, 2008
Ricochet wrote: > > Was just responding to an imprecise, unqualified > statement. > Jerry > > Jerry, There was nothing imprecise or unqualified about my statement, I did my research very well before I decided which engine to put on my Kolb. When someone asks a question, I give them good information in a very clear and direct manner. Maybe you did not want to hear what I had to say, but my information was not unqualified or imprecise... You trying to dismiss good information as unqualified or imprecise just because you did not want to hear it is nothing short of childish and a disservice to those reading and trying to make good choices for their Kolbs. -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214672#214672 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A must see
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Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 17, 2008
John Hauck wrote: > > > Jerry: > > There is no comparison between a Titan and a Kolb. > > Direct drive may work on a Titan, but it does not work on Kolbs. > > Would have saved some typing had you said you were a Titan guy and not a Kolb guy. ;-) > > Take care, > > john h > Mesquite, NV until tomorrow... Don't mean to jump in, but forced to agree. I've flown both (tho my Kolb time in all in an FS II) and the airplanes fly quite a bit differently. The titan is a slipperier plane with a wider speed range, so a small prop turning fast can work really well. The Kolb is more of a heavy-lifting plane with a flat bottomed airfoil. So you don't have to contend with as wide of a speed range, and slower turning, large props work better there. I.e. I ran a 68" 3 blade warp drive on my FSII (3.47:1 gearboxed 503) and that was just about the perfect combo for the plane. For what it's worth, my Titan has the 912ULS on it and only the jab 3300 with more than 20hp more can equal the climb I get (1800 to 2000fpm solo at about 2000' MSL). I could smoke a similar plane fitted with the 2200 ;). LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214694#214694 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James Clayton" <james.clayton(at)quantumwrench.com>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
Date: Nov 17, 2008
Greetings all. This conversation on direct drive vs. reduction drive resurfaces periodically as new folks come onto the list. The issue as so well explained by several posters with experience flying Kolbs is the speed range and parasitic/aerodynamic drag profile of a Kolb is vastly different than say a Titan, or other slippery speedster. I posted an examination of these factors in 2004 and thought it might be helpful to repost: -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Clayton Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Rusty building again, comparing engines John H, Denny R/Gang, I have the same vision John H. does for the Kolbs, and that drives my choice of engine. John said: "My impression of the Kolb is a "super" STOL heavy hauler with respectable cruise. Not an airplane that will spend its life flying off a 3,000 ft paved strip from point A to point B and back." So what we are talking about is a plane that can carry near (or better than!) it's own weight out of amazingly short strips and cruise fast enough to get the job done. The Kolbs are certainly no RV-x hot rod, but then as John points out, they don't need 3000 ft. of runway either. For this mission, an engine that produces high thrust at lower airspeeds is best. The easiest way to produce high thrust at low speeds is to have a large diameter (area) propeller turning at low rpm's. Propeller speed reduction units (PSU) in front of a piston engine are a proven combination because piston engines are happiest at higher rpm's than is optimum for big propellers. A direct drive engine is going to turn the propeller at higher rpms and so the diameter will need to be reduced to keep the tip speed below the limit. What are smaller propellers good at? Going fast! At higher airframe airspeeds the smaller diameter propeller will more efficiently produce thrust making your RV-x or Glassair go very fast, but they are runway gobblers by Kolb standards! In a Kolb, we will never go real fast due to the wing design etc. This will always be a high lift, low speed plane. For my mission, an engine that creates most of it's thrust at high airspeeds will only work best for the top 4 or 5 mph of a Kolb's speed range, and do less efficiently in the lower speeds of the flight envelope. In deference to the many, great, direct-drive Kolbs with perfectly happy owners out there, this is my mission I am discussing, and anyone considering engines must first chose the mission, then chose an engine that will meet that mission. I hope this helps give a framework to consider what kind of engine you will be most happy with. -Jim Jim Clayton California Mark-3X, 912ULS.....Building ________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Jones Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru? Rick, I appreciate your informed input. I can't speak for Jabs/Rotax 4-cycle engines on Kolbs, but I can on Titans. The arguments from both sides, I've found, change nobody's mind, typically generating more heat than light. That said, I had both a Jab 2200 and a 3300 on my Titan and found performance comparable to reported performance of comparable 912s (of course the 100 hp 912 had fewer horses than the 128 hp Jab), and had slightly less fuel burn. Every sport pilot here in Madera flies behind/in front of a Jab, with one also flying behind a 912S. I could be a little biased, I've owned five Jab engines, and if buying another engine, that's prolly what I'd buy again, for various reasons, but I wouldn't hesitate to own a Rotax either. For sure, very early Jabs had teething problems and didn't produce near the power claimed, but that was long ago and far, far in the past. And, none of us have had to land out because of an engine problem. Now, back to my cellar.... Jerry On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:15 AM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: Jerry/All A direct drive high RPM engine just can't produce the same thrust per HP as a reduction drive engine turning a big slow turning prop. I did a fairly close direct comparison between direct drive and reduction drive and the differences were drastically better with the reduction drive engine. The VW engine runs at a slightly higher RPM (3200 @ cruise and 3500 @ climb) than a Jabiru so the differences may not be as drastic but the differences are still significant. The primary consideration is that a big slow turning prop is more efficient in turning horse power into thrust than a small higher RPM prop. I have seen a 85 HP Jabiru powered Kolb MKIIIX fly and was impressed with it's performance but I would guess that this just adequate performance is due to a no compromise highly tuned prop. Most of us redrive powered Kolb flyers get sufficient performance that we tend to migrate more towards durability, smoothness, convenience than ultimate performance. I first flew my Kolb MKIIIC with a direct drive VW. The direct drive engine was 2180cc Great Plaines engine turning a 60 X 28 two bladed wood prop. I could only fly solo out of my strip and I would get a 65MKH cruise at close to 80% power. After a few years of flying this engine I switched to a almost identical reduction drive VW engine on the same plane. The reduction drive is a 1.6 to one drive turning a three bladed 72 inch PowerFin. I gained two passenger performance, cruise speed increased to 75MKH with 65-70% power, my oil/CHT temps lowered, my fuel consumption lowered, and all this running the same engine RPMs as my direct drive engine. Again my VW turns a bit more RPMs and my direct drive prop might not have been finely tuned as it could have been but the differences are still vast. There is at least one kit airplane the offers a 120HP Jabiru as a option rather than offering a reduction drive engine. The price of fuel will likely return to the $4/ gallon price so I feel it would be best to get the most performance we can out of the horse power we are feeding our airplanes rather than increasing the HP to get the needed thrust. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Jones <mailto:maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru? Wellllll, there are some of us who would disagree that the 912 is vastly superior...and that it provides much better performance. Jerry On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:34 AM, JetPilot wrote: Grant, The Rotax 912 is a vastly superior engine to the Jabiru in both performance and reliability. The 912 turns the prop slower than the Jabiru and results in much better performance on a Kolb. My numbers are very close to John and RLaird. Climb with a 912-S is about 1300 FPM at 5200 RPM, Stall at 30, and slow cruise at 70 MPH burning just over3 GPH at 4200 RPM. I don't do fast cruise, I have no numbers for that. The 912 is perfect for the airplane... Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214379#214379 < 0px; margin-bottom: margin-right: margin-top:>(And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Date: Nov 17, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
> > >Jerry, > >There was nothing imprecise or unqualified about my statement, I did my research very well before I decided which engine to put on my Kolb. When someone asks a question, I give them good information in a very clear and direct manner. Maybe you did not want to hear what I had to say, but my information was not unqualified or imprecise... > Mike, You are not precise. From before: "The 912 is a better engine on a Kolb, PERIOD. If you ended up with the inferior Jabiru on your Kolb, then I'm sorry for you, but that is no reason to try to get others to make the same mistake." You used the word "Kolb" and the implication is that nothing but a 912 is a good engine. That rules out all lower hp Rotax and/or any other engine mounted on a Kolb and this implies that a lot us who fly Kolbs are using inferior engines. You may not want to hear this, but I really enjoy flying my Kolb FireFly with out a 912 mounted on it. Fly safe! Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brake lines
From: "ThisOne" <thisone58(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 17, 2008
I am will to provide a set of -3 Teflon core stainless steel brake lines to the first builder who can provide me with "stock" measurements on a Kolb. Please send information to: brett(at)bonacoinc dot com. Regards, Brett Bonaco,Inc. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214745#214745 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Brake lines
Date: Nov 17, 2008
Bret Nice offer but you will get much better figures if you state the Kolb model and gear leg options you want the figures for. Also some models of Kolbs have adjustable pedals so there is movement of the brake line that might not work well with steel lines. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "ThisOne" <thisone58(at)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:51 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Brake lines > > I am will to provide a set of -3 Teflon core stainless steel brake lines > to the first builder who can provide me with "stock" measurements on a > Kolb. > > Please send information to: > brett(at)bonacoinc dot com. > > Regards, > Brett > Bonaco,Inc. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214745#214745 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Performance of the mark III with 912 or jabiru?
Date: Nov 17, 2008
Now that we've beat that one to death.... back to SEAFOAM! BB, puny 3 cylinder suzuki, redrive (and it actually flies!) On 17, Nov 2008, at 3:43 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > >> >> >> Jerry, >> >> There was nothing imprecise or unqualified about my statement, I >> did my > research very well before I decided which engine to put on my > Kolb. When > someone asks a question, I give them good information in a very > clear and > direct manner. Maybe you did not want to hear what I had to say, > but my > information was not unqualified or imprecise... >> > > Mike, > > You are not precise. From before: > > "The 912 is a better engine on a Kolb, PERIOD. If you ended up > with the > inferior Jabiru on your Kolb, then I'm sorry for you, but that is > no reason > to try to get others to make the same mistake." > > You used the word "Kolb" and the implication is that nothing but a > 912 is a > good engine. That rules out all lower hp Rotax and/or any other > engine > mounted on a Kolb and this implies that a lot us who fly Kolbs are > using > inferior engines. You may not want to hear this, but I really > enjoy flying > my Kolb FireFly with out a 912 mounted on it. > > Fly safe! > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2008
From: mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fuel Boost Pump for MkIII/Rotax912
I'm putting together my fuel system for my MkIII and need some advice on a boost pump. I'm having a 20 gal aluminum fuel tank made in place of the two 5 gal plastic jugs, and plan on adding a gasolator with water drain and a boost pump. I'm planning on using a 912 (don't have it yet...looking for a used one), so the question is what type (facet?) and size (4 psi?) boost pump is recommended for the 912. Mark Rinehart Indy MkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Nov 17, 2008
Is there anyone out there with a Jabiru 2200 on a MK 3 C or X ?If there is can you please give me some kind of idea of how it flies with it? thanks, chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214837#214837 ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
Date: Nov 18, 2008
Jabiru 2200 on a MK 3 C or X >> Hi Chris, The Jabi is the only 4 stroke cleared for use with the Xtra in the UK. Lighter than the 912. I have only been able to accumulate a few flying hours, this summer has been almost non existent, and I have not flown the Kolb with any other engine. I can not give you comparisons but apart from being very noisy it seems OK. The noise I think is not the fault of the Jabi. In the tractor configuration and cowled it is very quiet but totally exposed and with the pusher set up you wouldn`t want to fly without a headset. With your rules of course there is nothing to stop you making a nice streamlined fairing which might change the whole aspect. The engine is designed to run at 2800 rpm and this will give 65/70+ depending on trim and load. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: The New Kolb Company Website
Date: Nov 18, 2008
Kolb guys=2C Anybody know what's up with the TNK website?? It's been down since yeste rday. Plus=2C their Xtra didn't sell for the minimum price they set. I don't have their phone number=2C but someone might give them a call and see how things are going...and then let us know. I'm just concerned. These are truely tough times for many!!!! Mike Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_acce ss_112008 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
Date: Nov 18, 2008
Pat, FWIW, there are many of us flying in front of and behind the Jab. Prop length makes a huge difference in noise in the pusher configuration. Though not quiet, my 58-inch prop in a pusher config was way more quiet than the guys who used 62-inch props, regardless of the pusher they were flying. As you say, in the tractor configuration it's an all together different story. My Skyranger is known as the airport stealth, it's so quiet. Jerry > > I can not give you comparisons but apart from being very noisy it > seems OK. The noise I think is not the fault of the Jabi. In the > tractor configuration and cowled it is very quiet but totally > exposed and with the pusher set up you wouldn`t want to fly without > a headset. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: TNK website follow-up
Date: Nov 18, 2008
Kolb guys=2C Not to worry!! I managed to find TNK's phone number and gave them a call . I talked to Travis=2C all is well. I guess I was just letting the "economy demons" get to me=2C and I was wo rried 'bout 'em! (But=2C I still can't get their website to come up. ??? Maybe it's just m y computer. ??) Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ Get more done=2C have more fun=2C and stay more connected with Windows Mobi le=AE. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 18, 2008
Pat, The MX III is very loud inside with the 912 also, even with headsets the noise was a problem for me. I don't know if you are allowed to modify anything on your plane in the UK, but the fix is pretty cheap and easy to do. My airplane is much more enjoyable to fly since the sound proofing. If you want pictures, let me know. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214996#214996 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Boost Pump for MkIII/Rotax912
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 18, 2008
The Facet pump seems to be the standard pump that most people are using on small experimentals. California power systems sells them on their website, and lists the pressure and which one is for the 912. I use the ACS gascolator, its great, super easy to drain for water, and is cheap at around 70 bucks from Aircraft spruce. I also use the Challenger 10 micron Stainless Steel fuel filter from Aircraft spruce, it is expensive, but it is a very high quality filter that is cleanable and will last forever, and no garbage will get past that stainless steel element. It is very expensive at ACS at 140 bucks :( But it is made by Golan industries and can be bought for about 80 bucks on the net. I like Aircraft Spruce, and I buy a lot of stuff from them even if it is a bit more expensive, but when the price is about twice what it should be then its worth it to start looking elsewhere. Sounds like you are putting together a really good fuel system, that will increase your safety and engine reliability a lot. The EAA says half of all engine failures in experimentals are caused by the fuel system... BTW Kolb sells a really nice 18 gallon aluminum tank that slides right in where the plastic tanks go, very easy to do and very good quality, no mods needed. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214998#214998 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Nov 18, 2008
Mike... Pictures ,please....always pictures! Thank you all for responding to this!...one more thing too...pushers are always louder...Listen to a Lake or a Cessna 337...you can alway tell them apart from the others.. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214999#214999 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2008
From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
Chris, That would be me.It flies fine,good climb,70 cruise @2600rpm,2.8 gph.Top speed full throttle,3100 rpm just under 90mph,and 2000hr TBO.Easy starting,smooth running.That being said,everyone on this list will tell you not to install one on your aircraft ,and for good reason.A direct drive prop generates a boat load of noise above 2300rpm on a pusher.I have gone to extraordinary measures to silence this in the cabin,and can say that it is only tolerable.Not good,not fair,only tolerable.It's a good engine,without the rattles and shudder you get out of the 912 series on shut down and startup.But that slow turning prop on the 912s make it hard to beat on a pusher.The VW with redrive is as close as you can get and for about 1/2 the money.Happy hunting Gary Aman MK-C jabiru 2200 390 hrs. ________________________________ From: ces308 <ces308(at)ldaco.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:32:00 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x?? Is there anyone out there with a Jabiru 2200 on a MK 3 C or X ?If there is can you please give me some kind of idea of how it flies with it? thanks, chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214837#214837 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Boost Pump for MkIII/Rotax912
Date: Nov 18, 2008
From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
<< ... the question is what type (facet?) and size (4 psi?) boost pump is recommended for the 912. Mark Rinehart >> Mark - I installed the "standard" Facet electric (solid state) fuel pump on my Mark-3 to supplement the engine-driven mechanical pump on the 912. (4.5 psi) Still under thirty bucks, in most aircraft catalogs. It is installed level with the bottom of my fuel tanks, attached to the cage longerons, behind the pilot seat. Works great. Check the archives - lots of discussion on this topic. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul, "Magic Bike" Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
Date: Nov 18, 2008
Hey guys with all the changes I have made to engines over the years the primary noise maker is the prop. Get your tip speeds down and most of the noise will disappear. When I had a direct drive VW with a 60 inch prop turning 3600 RPM the tips would go super sonic. It would wake the dead, When switched to a 72 inch prop turning 2200 RPM it got much quieter. I had tried insulation and a muffler but nothing made as much impact as cutting the prop tip speeds. Later when I changed to a new engine mounting system and some of the noise came back. So another major source of noise inside the cockpit is transmission of engine vibrations thru the engine mount. Set up a engine mount that lets the engine float as much as possible with out twisting or moving around too much. Hope this helps. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Jones" <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x?? > > Pat, > > FWIW, there are many of us flying in front of and behind the Jab. Prop > length makes a huge difference in noise in the pusher configuration. > Though not quiet, my 58-inch prop in a pusher config was way more quiet > than the guys who used 62-inch props, regardless of the pusher they were > flying. As you say, in the tractor configuration it's an all together > different story. My Skyranger is known as the airport stealth, it's so > quiet. > > Jerry > >> >> I can not give you comparisons but apart from being very noisy it seems >> OK. The noise I think is not the fault of the Jabi. In the tractor >> configuration and cowled it is very quiet but totally exposed and with >> the pusher set up you wouldn`t want to fly without a headset. >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
Date: Nov 18, 2008
Another way for reducing pusher prop noise, though I'm probably repeating myself, is to go to a 3-blade prop instead of a two. Much of the noise comes from the blades chopping the disturbed air off the wings. With a 2-blade, both blades chop at the same time increasing the noise level. Three blades have only one blade at a time chopping the air, thereby reducing the noise. The only three blade I'm aware of for a Jabiru is a Warp with perhaps a special adaptor plate. If Sensenich's new carbon fibre prop can be had with three blades, that would be the way to go IMHO, but perhaps a touch expensive. Jerry On Nov 18, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote: > > > Hey guys with all the changes I have made to engines over the years > the primary noise maker is the prop. Get your tip speeds down and > most of the noise will disappear. > _ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Nov 18, 2008
I know....I was told that about the prop too....First i need to get this thing in the air and see what it does to get a base line... chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215102#215102 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
Date: Nov 19, 2008
gone to extraordinary measures to silence this in the cabin,>> Its not noise in the cabin which is the problem in the UK. It is the measured noise OUTSIDE which decides wether you get a noise certificate issued. Without it, you don`t fly. Various countries in Europe have differing levels with the Germans, I think, being the tightest. Cutting down on the noise has probably done more for the acceptance by the general public of our sort of flying than anything else. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
Date: Nov 19, 2008
allowed to modify anything on your plane>> Hi Mike, provided that it doesn`t put the weight up above the limit or change something radically we are ok. A different prop for instance would need clearance but rubber buffers, insulation materials stuck on panels etc would be OK. Pics please. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
Date: Nov 19, 2008
My Skyranger is known as the airport stealth, it's so quiet.>> Hi Jerry, just a long shot but are you the person who rang me the other day to talk about Jabi`s on Kolbs? Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A must see
From: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara(at)alphagraphics.com>
Date: Nov 19, 2008
Dick-- thanks for the info and link to the slide show-- what awesome technology. The one sitting on the floor at Smithsonian just looks NASTY sitting there. Has been a while since we have heard anything from "The Skunk Works". One has to wonder about current night time sightings in the SW. Would give my left one for 2 hours in a sled!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215124#215124 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
Date: Nov 19, 2008
No Pat, not me. Jerry On Nov 19, 2008, at 2:26 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > My Skyranger is > known as the airport stealth, it's so quiet.>> > > Hi Jerry, > just a long shot but are you the person who rang me the other day > to talk about Jabi`s on Kolbs? > > Pat > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 19, 2008
Subject: Re: Anyone with a jab on a mk3c/x??
If a Warp will work an a Jabi, then a Kiev prop [aka Hot Prop] will work even better. It's a lot lighter. Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 11/18/2008 9:55:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net writes: The only three blade I'm aware of for a Jabiru is a Warp with perhaps a special adaptor plate. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...?
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Subject: My other hobby
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 20, 2008
My other hobby is R/C airplane flying. Here are some pictures of my scratch built R/c version of a kolb firestar / firefly. I have not completed it yet. Its pretty much done except for setting up the radio and adding wing struts. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215301#215301 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2008
From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Jabiru has said earlier that only a wood or wood core prop was recommended.Has this changed recently?Had to do with vibration absorbing to relieve some flywheel attach issues. G.Aman ________________________________ From: grantr <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:29:05 AM Subject: Kolb-List: My other hobby My other hobby is R/C airplane flying. Here are some pictures of my scratch built R/c version of a kolb firestar / firefly. I have not completed it yet. Its pretty much done except for setting up the radio and adding wing struts. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215301#215301 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My other hobby
From: "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net>
Date: Nov 20, 2008
Looks good Grant. Gotta love coro-plast ! KT MIIIC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215313#215313 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Date: Nov 20, 2008
Gary, I haven't followed lately what Jabiru is saying about wood props, but our local dealer is using a composite Sensenich prop on his Jabiru plane. Sensenich thoroughly tested them for use on Jabiru engines, and I have enough confidence in them that I bought one. Jerry On Nov 20, 2008, at 6:05 AM, gary aman wrote: > Jabiru has said earlier that only a wood or wood core prop > was recommended.Has this changed recently?Had to do with vibration > absorbing to relieve some flywheel attach issues. > G.Aman > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Date: Nov 20, 2008
Jerry J: What does Jabiru say about using that prop? john h Marysvale, UT Sensenich thoroughly tested them for use on Jabiru engines, and I have enough confidence in them that I bought one. Jerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2008
From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Jerry, I also have a prince Q-tip composite prop for my 2200 ,but it has a wood core.I'd love to try a 3 blade but at these rpms it might be just as loud.. Thanx G.Aman ________________________________ From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:51:00 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My other hobby Gary, I haven't followed lately what Jabiru is saying about wood props, but our local dealer is using a composite Sensenich prop on his Jabiru plane. Sensenich thoroughly tested them for use on Jabiru engines, and I have enough confidence in them that I bought one. Jerry On Nov 20, 2008, at 6:05 AM, gary aman wrote: Jabiru has said earlier that only a wood or wood core prop was recommended.Has this changed recently?Had to do with vibration absorbing to relieve some flywheel attach issues. G.Aman ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Date: Nov 20, 2008
Best I can say is that our highly regarded Jabiru dealer has one on his plane and sells them also, as well as selling Jabiru props. As I mentioned in previous post, I haven't followed what Jabiru is saying. Jerry On Nov 20, 2008, at 8:58 AM, John Hauck wrote: > Jerry J: > > What does Jabiru say about using that prop? > > john h > Marysvale, UT > > > Sensenich thoroughly tested them for use on Jabiru engines, and I > have enough confidence in them that I bought one. > > Jerry > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Date: Nov 20, 2008
Gary, For sure the rpms are high, but as I mentioned in a previous post, much of the noise comes from the prop blades chopping the air off the wings, the 3-blade having half as much blade to chop as a two. Of course, I think your beautiful Q-tip comes only as a two. On Nov 20, 2008, at 9:07 AM, gary aman wrote: Jerry > Jerry, > I also have a prince Q-tip composite prop for my 2200 ,but it > has a wood core.I'd love to try a 3 blade but at these rpms it > might be just as loud.. > Thanx G.Aman > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Date: Nov 20, 2008
I think that is a prince P tip ...Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: gary aman To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My other hobby Jerry, I also have a prince Q-tip composite prop for my 2200 ,but it has a wood core.I'd love to try a 3 blade but at these rpms it might be just as loud.. Thanx G.Aman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:51:00 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My other hobby Gary, I haven't followed lately what Jabiru is saying about wood props, but our local dealer is using a composite Sensenich prop on his Jabiru plane. Sensenich thoroughly tested them for use on Jabiru engines, and I have enough confidence in them that I bought one. Jerry On Nov 20, 2008, at 6:05 AM, gary aman wrote: Jabiru has said earlier that only a wood or wood core prop was recommended.Has this changed recently?Had to do with vibration absorbing to relieve some flywheel attach issues. G.Aman ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Date: Nov 20, 2008
Would you happen to know any one that has a 80 hp Jab. in a zenith 701 help needed. ... Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: Southern Reflections To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My other hobby I think that is a prince P tip ...Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: gary aman To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My other hobby Jerry, I also have a prince Q-tip composite prop for my 2200 ,but it has a wood core.I'd love to try a 3 blade but at these rpms it might be just as loud.. Thanx G.Aman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:51:00 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My other hobby Gary, I haven't followed lately what Jabiru is saying about wood props, but our local dealer is using a composite Sensenich prop on his Jabiru plane. Sensenich thoroughly tested them for use on Jabiru engines, and I have enough confidence in them that I bought one. Jerry On Nov 20, 2008, at 6:05 AM, gary aman wrote: Jabiru has said earlier that only a wood or wood core prop was recommended.Has this changed recently?Had to do with vibration absorbing to relieve some flywheel attach issues. G.Aman href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Date: Nov 20, 2008
Joe: Bet you would get better results on the Jabiru List. john h mkIII N101AB Marysvale, UT Would you happen to know any one that has a 80 hp Jab. in a zenith 701 help needed. ... Joe N101HD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Date: Nov 20, 2008
I stuff a big Q-tip in each ear to cut down the noise. BB On 20, Nov 2008, at 1:24 PM, Southern Reflections wrote: > I think that is a prince P tip ...Joe N101HD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gary aman > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:07 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My other hobby > > Jerry, > I also have a prince Q-tip composite prop for my 2200 ,but it > has a wood core.I'd love to try a 3 blade but at these rpms it > might be just as loud.. > Thanx G.Aman > > From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:51:00 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My other hobby > > Gary, > > I haven't followed lately what Jabiru is saying about wood props, > but our local dealer is using a composite Sensenich prop on his > Jabiru plane. Sensenich thoroughly tested them for use on Jabiru > engines, and I have enough confidence in them that I bought one. > > Jerry > > > On Nov 20, 2008, at 6:05 AM, gary aman wrote: > >> Jabiru has said earlier that only a wood or wood core prop >> was recommended.Has this changed recently?Had to do with vibration >> absorbing to relieve some flywheel attach issues. >> G.Aman > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb- > List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My other hobby
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 20, 2008
What does jabiru have to do with a r/c airplane? :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215445#215445 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Plexiglass Scratch Repair...
Dear Listers, During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed to put some pretty disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. You can see from the pictures that they looked pretty bad. A call to Van's revealed that a replacement canopy would be $640 + $250 shipping to California! Ack. So what to do... A bit of surfing and I found this "Scratch Off" windshield repair kit for $35 on the Aircraft Spruce web site: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/scratchoff.php Frankly, it just seemed too good to be true. Nothing for $35 could be that "magic" I thought, but what did I have to lose at this point.... Well, the kit arrived yesterday and I decided to give it a try tonight. In a word: WOW! In about 2 hours the windscreen looked as good as new - no kidding - AS GOOD AS NEW! The pictures really don't do the repair justice. It looks better in person. There are basically two sponges in the kit with four decreasingly porous pastes. You just put some of the first paste on the sponge and buff it in with a drill at 1200 RPM or less. Then you wash everything down good including the sponge and windshield with warm water. Then you use the next finer paste and repeat the process. Etc, etc, until you've used the 4th paste that is kind of like car wax. Frankly, the scratches were gone after the first application of paste - I started at #2 based on the instructions and the "observed severity" of the scratch depth. So, the bottom line is, if you've got scuffs or mild scratches in your Plexiglass buy this repair kit. It works! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My other hobby
From: "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net>
Date: Nov 20, 2008
Is that a webra 46 on there? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215494#215494 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Plexiglass Scratch Repair...
Date: Nov 21, 2008
> During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed to put > some pretty disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 Hi Matt: I imagine most all of us Kolb builders and flyers have Lexan windshields, doors, and windows. How does this product work on Lexan? or will it work on Lexan? I tried to clean up a Lexan windshield, many years ago, with a product that was highly advertised in aviation circles back then. Ended up trashing the whole thing after the Lexan became cloudy and remained that way. Lexan is much softer than Plexiglass, thus we can bend it to extreme without fear of breaking. john h Marysvale, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Plexiglass Scratch Repair...
Date: Nov 21, 2008
John, the softness factor makes me wonder if you tried the scratch removal at a very low temperature????? It might affect the hardness of the lexan during the procedure. You would have to spin the drill at a low speed to prevent heating. Worth a try on a piece of scrap. BB On 21, Nov 2008, at 9:24 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > >> During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed >> to put some pretty disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. > >> Matt Dralle >> RV-8 #82880 > > Hi Matt: > > I imagine most all of us Kolb builders and flyers have Lexan > windshields, doors, and windows. > > How does this product work on Lexan? or will it work on Lexan? > > I tried to clean up a Lexan windshield, many years ago, with a > product that was highly advertised in aviation circles back then. > Ended up trashing the whole thing after the Lexan became cloudy and > remained that way. > > Lexan is much softer than Plexiglass, thus we can bend it to > extreme without fear of breaking. > > john h > Marysvale, UT > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2008
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Plexiglass Scratch Repair...
what I know from making a telescope mirror some years ago.... If one has a deep scratch...it will never "polish" out.. at least not in a reasonable amount of time...one has to start with a course grinding (sandpaper) material and take a particular scratch to its depth...then begin to use finer and finer grinding compounds til the area is in a see through condition when wetted...at that point polishing compounds,,,jewelers rouge, cerium oxide will begin to work...and possibly will not work at all on Lexan?? Herb polishing compounds are available at any lens makers...same for grinding compounds... any lens makers left in the states??? :-) Herb At 08:56 AM 11/21/2008, you wrote: > >John, the softness factor makes me wonder if you tried the scratch >removal at a very low temperature????? >It might affect the hardness of the lexan during the procedure. >You would have to spin the drill at a low speed to prevent heating. >Worth a try on a piece of scrap. >BB > >On 21, Nov 2008, at 9:24 AM, John Hauck wrote: > >> >> >> >>>During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed >>>to put some pretty disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. >> >>>Matt Dralle >>>RV-8 #82880 >> >>Hi Matt: >> >>I imagine most all of us Kolb builders and flyers have Lexan >>windshields, doors, and windows. >> >>How does this product work on Lexan? or will it work on Lexan? >> >>I tried to clean up a Lexan windshield, many years ago, with a >>product that was highly advertised in aviation circles back then. >>Ended up trashing the whole thing after the Lexan became cloudy and >>remained that way. >> >>Lexan is much softer than Plexiglass, thus we can bend it to >>extreme without fear of breaking. >> >>john h >>Marysvale, UT >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: torque on various bolts
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 21, 2008
I am replacing the rubber engine mounts for my Rotax 503 on my Mark II. Travis is sending me the new mounts. I thought I'd ask you guys what I should be torquing those bolts to (that mount the engine on-not the mount itself). The bolts are AN6-27A. I'm also going to replace the bolts and nuts on my propeller. I found in my paperwork somewhere that they should be torqued to 110 in lbs. Does that sound right? Those bolts are AN5-34A and I have a 66" wood prop in case you're wondering. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215549#215549 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My other hobby
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 21, 2008
Its a Thunder Tiger pro 46 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215566#215566 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: My other hobby
Date: Nov 21, 2008
Grant: Is that a replacement for the dastardly expensive, however well matched and performing Kolb powerplant, the 912ULS? john h Circleville, UT > > Its a Thunder Tiger pro 46 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Date: Nov 21, 2008
cristalclear13 wrote: > > > ====SNIP+++++ > I'm also going to replace the bolts and nuts on my propeller. I found in my paperwork somewhere that they should be torqued to 110 in lbs. Does that sound right? Those bolts are AN5-34A and I have a 66" wood prop in case you're wondering. Cristal: Check with your prop manufacturer. It may vary mfg to mfg. e.g. TPI with AN5 bolts calls for 144" lbs +/-15" lbs. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215580#215580 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
Date: Nov 21, 2008
Cristal, Don't forget that almost all torque values are listed in inch pounds. I don't know about yours, but my torque wrench is measured in foot pounds. 110 inch pounds converts to 9.16 foot pounds. Google inch pounds to foot pounds to get a converter to use. Larry C ----- Original Message ----- From: George Alexander To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: torque on various bolts cristalclear13 wrote: > > > ====SNIP+++++ > I'm also going to replace the bolts and nuts on my propeller. I found in my paperwork somewhere that they should be torqued to 110 in lbs. Does that sound right? Those bolts are AN5-34A and I have a 66" wood prop in case you're wondering. Cristal: Check with your prop manufacturer. It may vary mfg to mfg. e.g. TPI with AN5 bolts calls for 144" lbs +/-15" lbs. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215580#215580 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 11/21/2008 9:37 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: torque on various bolts
Date: Nov 21, 2008
Cristal... here is a link on my web sight that gives the torque values on bolts. Taken from the Advisory Circular ac 43.13-1B acceptable methods, Techniques, and practices--- Aircraft inspection and repair sept 8 1998. Dept of Transportaion, FAA flight standard service regulatory support division. http://www.brigham.net/~byoung/torque.jpg prop manufactures may have specific torque requirements. Boyd Young Kolb MkIIIC Brigham City Ut Please archive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am replacing the rubber engine mounts for my Rotax 503 on my Mark II. Travis is sending me the new mounts. I thought I'd ask you guys what I should be torquing those bolts to (that mount the engine on-not the mount itself). The bolts are AN6-27A. I'm also going to replace the bolts and nuts on my propeller. I found in my paperwork somewhere that they should be torqued to 110 in lbs. Does that sound right? Those bolts are AN5-34A and I have a 66" wood prop in case you're wondering. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
Date: Nov 21, 2008
Hey, forget google. It is not that difficult. Just take inch pounds and divide by 12 to get foot pounds. Gene On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > Google inch pounds to foot pounds to get a converter to use. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
Ditto on use your prop makers spec when torquing the prop bolts.In these days of tools available from darn near everywhere there's no excuse for using a ft. lb. torque wrench to do in. lb. measures, especially trying to do 9 ft. lb. to 12 ft. lb. Get a good 3/8" drive torque wrench calibrated in in. lb. Whether it's a beam type or a click stop type is up to you. If you're unsure try to borrow one and see which you like. A word about wood props. Wood swells and shrinks with the moisture content of the wood. This causes the prop bolt torque to change, mostly on the loosen up side of things. Bad, very bad. Losing a prop or worse, part of a prop can just ruin your whole day. One way to ameliorate the effects of moisture content is the use of spring washers (otherwise known as Belleville washers) between the bolt head and the cover plate for the prop. http://www.casa.gov.au/airworth/awb/61/007.pdf has a decent discussion of the use of Belleville washers. Try McMaster Carr: http://www.mcmaster.com/ pages 1195 to 1197 as a source for them. Rick On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:14 PM, boyd wrote: > > Cristal... here is a link on my web sight that gives the torque values on > bolts. Taken from the Advisory Circular ac 43.13-1B acceptable methods, > Techniques, and practices--- Aircraft inspection and repair sept 8 1998. > Dept of Transportaion, FAA flight standard service regulatory support > division. > > http://www.brigham.net/~byoung/torque.jpg > > prop manufactures may have specific torque requirements. > > Boyd Young > Kolb MkIIIC > Brigham City Ut > > Please archive. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > I am replacing the rubber engine mounts for my Rotax 503 on my Mark II. > Travis is sending me the new mounts. I thought I'd ask you guys what I > should be torquing those bolts to (that mount the engine on-not the mount > itself). The bolts are AN6-27A. > > I'm also going to replace the bolts and nuts on my propeller. I found in > my > paperwork somewhere that they should be torqued to 110 in lbs. Does that > sound right? Those bolts are AN5-34A and I have a 66" wood prop in case > you're wondering. > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Kolb Mark II Twinstar > Rotax 503 DCSI > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
Date: Nov 21, 2008
Gene, I though so too, until I Googled it. I then found that 1 inch pound force = 0.0833333333 foot pounds More about calculator. And Rick, I have looked at all the local shops, not on the computer, and have yet to find a torque wrench that measures inch pounds, for less than $75.00. For that much I will do the conversion. Is too cheap a reason? Larry C Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: Eugene Zimmerman To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: torque on various bolts Hey, forget google. It is not that difficult. Just take inch pounds and divide by 12 to get foot pounds. Gene On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: Google inch pounds to foot pounds to get a converter to use. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 11/21/2008 6:24 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: LOC
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From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: It really torques me
Date: Nov 22, 2008
Okay, to end a confusion spot. If you have 12 inch pounds and you want to know how many foot pounds, you can divide by 12 or multiply by .08333, same answer almost. easier to divide. Larry Cottrell, you can get a lessor quality inch pounder for about thirty bucks, certainly around fifty. if you stay in this business long, you will need it cause just about every bolt on your engines use inch pounders for a better torque value. If it calls for 120 inch pounds and you use ten foot pounds, you will find it is not usually calibrated for that low on a foot pounder. I would never use a pounder to put in spark plugs or small bolts in engine cages. tisk tisk. my opinion is worth what you pay for it. Ted Cowan, Alabama, (17 degrees this morning) Slingshot. Going to miss another good fly in because of the temps. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
Date: Nov 22, 2008
Correct, 1 inch pound divided by 12, = 0.0833333333333 foot pound 12 inch pounds divided by 12 = 1 foot pound 240 inch pounds divided by 12 = 20 foot pounds etc. Gene On Nov 22, 2008, at 12:17 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > Gene, > I though so too, until I Googled it. I then found that > 1 inch pound force = 0.0833333333 foot pounds > > More about calculator. > And Rick, I have looked at all the local shops, not on the computer, > and have yet to find a torque wrench that measures inch pounds, for > less than $75.00. For that much I will do the conversion. Is too > cheap a reason? > Larry C Oregon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eugene Zimmerman > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: torque on various bolts > > Hey, forget google. > It is not that difficult. Just take inch pounds and divide by 12 > to get foot pounds. > > Gene > > > On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > >> Google inch pounds to foot pounds to get a converter to use. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
Larry, Auto Zone has a Great Neck 3/8 in. drive micrometer torque wrench........$21.99Sears has a Craftsman beam type for $24.99 Rick On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > Correct, > 1 inch pound divided by 12, = 0.0833333333333 foot pound 12 inch pounds > divided by 12 = 1 foot pound > 240 inch pounds divided by 12 = 20 foot pounds > etc. > > Gene > > > On Nov 22, 2008, at 12:17 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > Gene, > I though so too, until I Googled it. I then found that > *1 inch pound force = 0.0833333333 foot pounds* More about calculator.<http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/features.html#calculator> > And Rick, I have looked at all the local shops, not on the computer, and > have yet to find a torque wrench that measures inch pounds, for less than > $75.00. For that much I will do the conversion. Is too cheap a reason? > Larry C Oregon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Eugene Zimmerman > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2008 6:45 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Re: torque on various bolts > > Hey, forget google.It is not that difficult. Just take inch > pounds and divide by 12 to get foot pounds. > > Gene > > > On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > Google inch pounds to foot pounds to get a converter to use. > > ** > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
Date: Nov 22, 2008
Harbor fright has one for $20. I have a chinese cheepie that I use all the time. I reference checked it for accuracy and it was quite accurate. In the AF they made a big deal out of recalibrating them but this one stays the same. BB On 22, Nov 2008, at 12:17 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > Gene, > I though so too, until I Googled it. I then found that > 1 inch pound force = 0.0833333333 foot pounds > > More about calculator. > And Rick, I have looked at all the local shops, not on the > computer, and have yet to find a torque wrench that measures inch > pounds, for less than $75.00. For that much I will do the > conversion. Is too cheap a reason? > Larry C Oregon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eugene Zimmerman > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: torque on various bolts > > Hey, forget google. > It is not that difficult. Just take inch pounds and divide by > 12 to get foot pounds. > > Gene > > > On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > >> Google inch pounds to foot pounds to get a converter to use. > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb- > List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > - - Release Date: 11/21/2008 6:24 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
Date: Nov 22, 2008
It is not that difficult. Just take inch pounds and divide by 12 to get foot pounds. I though so too, until I Googled it. I then found that 1 inch pound force = 0.0833333333 foot pounds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the inverse of the same formula 110 x 0.083333333333 = 9.17 110 / 12 = 9.17 For me I can remember that there is 12 inches in a foot easier than I can remember 0.0833333333 Boyd Young MKIII C ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
At 06:59 AM 11/22/2008, icrashrc wrote: > >This chart only goes up to 90,000psi bolts yet Aircraft Spruce lists AN >hardware @ 120,000psi. Anyone have a chart for 120,000psi bolts? > >BTW, Warp shows AN 5 prop mounting bolts to be torqued to 200 inch/pounds. The values in that chart are NOT suitable for propeller bolts! Prop bolt torques are based on the required force to properly clamp the prop without crushing it, which will be different depending on the prop construction. Use the manufacturer's recommended torque values and nothing else. For wood props, here's a good writeup from Sensenich: http://www.sensenichprop.com/sen_html/aircraft_cet/install/cf-a.pdf -Dana -- Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
Date: Nov 22, 2008
Correct, 1 inch pound divided by 12, = 0.0833333333333 foot pound 12 inch pounds divided by 12 = 1 foot pound 240 inch pounds divided by 12 = 20 foot pounds etc. Gene On Nov 22, 2008, at 11:25 AM, boyd wrote: > It is not that difficult. Just take inch pounds and divide by 12 > to get foot pounds. > > > I though so too, until I Googled it. I then found that > > 1 inch pound force = 0.0833333333 foot pounds > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > It is the inverse of the same formula > > > 110 x 0.083333333333 = 9.17 > > 110 / 12 = 9.17 > > For me I can remember that there is 12 inches in a foot easier than > I can remember 0.0833333333 > > Boyd Young > MKIII C > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Value of the List...
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Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 24, 2008
Hey, I found an old letter from Kolb dated April 24, 1989 in some of the paperwork I got with my plane when I bought it. It says: "The standard propeller supplied with the kit (66" dia., 2 blade wooden prop) should be torqued to 120 in.lbs - no more and no less. Too little torque results in a propeller that does not have enough friction with the hub to drive the prop, which results in the bolts taking the hammering from the drive pulses from the engine. They eventually will be sheared. Too much tension and the wood will be crushed, which again will make it more likely that the prop bolts will come loose with the same results. In a proper installation the prop bolts should serve only to provide clamping pressure between the prop and the hub - they ideally should not be exposed to any shear (twisting) type loads. The friction between the prop and the hub should transmit 100% of the torque of the engine." They gave this warning after some bolts broke on a Mark II. I've come to the conclusion that my prop manufacturer has gone out of business and since I have no information about my prop I'll have to go by that newsletter I found stating to use 120 in.lbs (unless anyone knows of any updates since 1989). The sticker on the prop says "Precision Propellers, Inc." and has a toll-free number, but when I call that number a lady answers that has never heard of them. When I search for them on the internet I found an old telephone number that is out of service and no internet site is available for them. Concerning the engine mount bolts...I am aware of the 43-13B chart because I took the inspection class, but my concern was that the engine mount bolts might be an exception similar to the prop bolts. If they are not an exception then I'll just go by the chart. Thanks to all for your replies. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216041#216041 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: torque on various bolts
Date: Nov 24, 2008
Cristal I think someone else mentioned it before but... be sure to retorque your prop bolts every time there are big changes in temperature or humidity. Wood props shrink and swell with these changes. I lost a prop once because I didn't know I need to retorque the bolts. Seems like the instructions were to remove the torque allow the wood to relax for a few minutes then retorque. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: torque on various bolts > > > Hey, I found an old letter from Kolb dated April 24, 1989 in some of the > paperwork I got with my plane when I bought it. It says: > > "The standard propeller supplied with the kit (66" dia., 2 blade wooden > prop) should be torqued to 120 in.lbs - no more and no less. Too little > torque results in a propeller that does not have enough friction with the > hub to drive the prop, which results in the bolts taking the hammering > from the drive pulses from the engine. They eventually will be sheared. > Too much tension and the wood will be crushed, which again will make it > more likely that the prop bolts will come loose with the same results. In > a proper installation the prop bolts should serve only to provide clamping > pressure between the prop and the hub - they ideally should not be exposed > to any shear (twisting) type loads. The friction between the prop and the > hub should transmit 100% of the torque of the engine." > > They gave this warning after some bolts broke on a Mark II. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days...
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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks Giving
Date: Nov 26, 2008
> Wishing you a fun day tomorrow with family and/or friends. Forecast looks > good for a fly-by on the Day. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 Happy Thanksgiving to Jack H and the rest of my Kolb friends all over the world. Won't be flying this Thanksgiving, but plan to be in Monument Valley, UT, to enjoy Thanksgiving dinner with the Navajos at Stagecoach Dining Room, Gouldings Lodge: http://www.gouldings.com/english/dining.htm I may have a small Navajo Taco, never could eat all of a large one, but I bet they will have turkey and dressing. Monument Valley has come to mean a lot to many of us Kolbers who make that journey every May since 2003. I plan on flying in again next May. It will be a special flight, as always. Thanks to Homer Kolb for his work in designing and marketing Kolb Aircraft Kits, giving me a chance to fly after my military flying. Thanks to Bruce Chesnut, Donnie, Travis, Dennis, and the rest of the Kolb gang for keeping our aircraft alive and well through many years of tough going. Take care, john h Moab, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2008
From: "Jean PILLAUDIN" <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: landing gear rubber shock absorber
Hi, My rubber shock absorber are very tired, is anybody know where I can get these items? TNK doesn't have these items anymore. Have good fly Jean ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2008
From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: landing gear rubber shock absorber
Those look like an automotive upper shock absorber or strut bushing. Try a NAPA store.They have pictures of bushings to chose from. ________________________________ From: Jean PILLAUDIN <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:02:48 PM Subject: Kolb-List: landing gear rubber shock absorber Hi, My rubber shock absorber are very tired, is anybody know where I can get these items? TNK doesn't have these items anymore. Have good fly Jean ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks Giving
John , and all the Kolbers out there and anyone else who reads this . Let u s all give thanks for the privilege and ability to build and fly Homers cre ations ! Happy thanksgiving to you all and all your families.-- Chris D avis=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck <jha uck(at)elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, Novembe r 26, 2008 11:11:00 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Thanks Giving=0A=0A--> Kol b-List message posted by: "John Hauck" =0A=0A=0A> Wis hing you a fun day tomorrow with family and/or friends.- Forecast looks =0A> good for a fly-by on the Day.=0A> =0A> Jack B. Hart FF004=0A=0A=0AHapp y Thanksgiving to Jack H and the rest of my Kolb friends all over the world .=0A=0AWon't be flying this Thanksgiving, but plan to be in Monument Valley , UT, to enjoy Thanksgiving dinner with the Navajos at Stagecoach Dining Ro om, Gouldings Lodge:=0A=0Ahttp://www.gouldings.com/english/dining.htm=0A=0A I may have a small Navajo Taco, never could eat all of a large one, but I b et they will have turkey and dressing.=0A=0AMonument Valley has come to mea n a lot to many of us Kolbers who make that journey every May since 2003. - I plan on flying in again next May.- It will be a special flight, as always.=0A=0AThanks to Homer Kolb for his work in designing and marketing K olb Aircraft Kits, giving me a chance to fly after my military flying.=0A =0AThanks to Bruce Chesnut, Donnie, Travis, Dennis, and the rest of the Kol b gang for keeping our aircraft alive and well through many years of tough ==================0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Steve Fossett: What went wrong
From: "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net>
Date: Nov 26, 2008
off-topic- Sorry, but thought a lot of you would be interested in catching this show about Steve Fossett. I don't agree with the "worlds greatest aviator" remark, but he certainly is up there. Monday 12/01/08 10:00 pm Discovery channel http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=1.14617.25959.0.0 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216474#216474 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: landing gear rubber shock absorber
Date: Nov 26, 2008
Don't know of any Kolb models with landing gear shock aborbers. If I remember correctly, you have an Ultrastar? You may be speaking of Ultrastar engine mounts. They are made by Lord, and are available on the internet. Would help if you can read the number on them, or someone may have the number available for you. If you do have "landing gear rubber shock absorber" it is a one of a kind, not standard. john h mkIII Moab, UT My rubber shock absorber are very tired, is anybody know where I can get these items? TNK doesn't have these items anymore. Have good fly Jean ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: landing gear rubber shock absorber
Thanks John, I was beginning to doubt my Kolb construction knowledge! Chris =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck <jhauck@ elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, November 26 , 2008 8:05:14 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: landing gear rubber shock absor ber=0A=0A=0ADon't know of any Kolb models with landing gear shock aborbers. - If I remember correctly, you have an Ultrastar?- You may be speaking of Ultrastar engine mounts.- They are made by Lord, and are available on the internet.- Would help if you can read the number on them, or someone may have the number available for you.=0A-=0AIf you do have "landing gear rubber shock absorber" it is a one of a kind, not standard.=0A-=0Ajohn h =0AmkIII=0AMoab, UT=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-My rubber shock absorber are ver y tired, is anybody know where I can get these items? TNK doesn't have thes == =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2008
From: "Jean PILLAUDIN" <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: landing gear rubber shock absorber
Hi Chris and John, I think it is a special add on from the French import company Micro-Aviation (who is Off now). I hope you see the picture it is not the Engine mount it is on the landing gear. Thk's for your interest. Jean 2008/11/27 chris davis > Thanks John, I was beginning to doubt my Kolb construction knowledge! Chris > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Hauck > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:05:14 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: landing gear rubber shock absorber > > Don't know of any Kolb models with landing gear shock aborbers. If I > remember correctly, you have an Ultrastar? You may be speaking of Ultrastar > engine mounts. They are made by Lord, and are available on the internet. > Would help if you can read the number on them, or someone may have the > number available for you. > > If you do have "landing gear rubber shock absorber" it is a one of a kind, > not standard. > > john h > mkIII > Moab, UT > > > My rubber shock absorber are very tired, is anybody know where I can get > these items? TNK doesn't have these items anymore. > > Have good fly > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution Today!
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Subject: Kolb Cross Country Video in High Definition
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2008
Here is a video of a cross country in my Kolb MK III Xtra in High definition. You can watch it at: http://www.vimeo.com/2368367 If your computer cannot display high definition smoothly, or if you have a slower Internet connection, you can see a high quality standard definition version at the address below. To see this video in good quality, make sure you click the " Watch High Quality Version " link that is just below the video on the right side after you get to the page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SrTr51BBTk Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216712#216712 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2008
From: john taylor <jtayloraaf(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Cross Country Video in High Definition
great trip, mike. tnx for inviting us along.- u'r right.- what it's all about at least for me. that's the kind of inspiration i need to keep plodd ing along here in s. la .-now i have to ask: what would we do if we got s udden silence down there eyeballing the gators. too low to even pop the brs ? right? i looked for the swamp road u usually keep close by, but.... eh wo t.- john bowman, avid+ (airdale), covering. p.s. why that choice of music - i really liked that touch?- & beautiful kolb xtra u've go there. & nice job on the video. how were u pointing the camera? head or hand?=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail ..com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:49 :19 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Kolb Cross Country Video in High Definition=0A =0AHere is a video of a cross country in my Kolb MK III Xtra in High defini tion.- You can watch it at:=0A=0Ahttp://www.vimeo.com/2368367=0A=0AIf you r computer cannot display high definition smoothly, or if you have a slower Internet connection, you can see a high quality standard definition versio n at the address below.- To see this video in good quality, make sure you click the " Watch High Quality Version " link that is just below the video on the right side after you get to the page.=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=4SrTr51BBTk=0A=0AMike=0A=0A--------=0A"NO FEAR" -- If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!=0A=0AKolb MK- III Xtra, 912-S=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://foru ========================0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Cross Country Video in High Definition
Date: Nov 28, 2008
> Here is a video of a cross country in my Kolb MK III Xtra in High definition. > > Mike > Mike B: Do you hanger your MKIIIx at Homestead? Makes me miss my mkIII. Haven't flown it in two months. I arrived Monument Valley yesterday in rain and fog. The weather gave the place an erie feeling. Especially, not being able to see the monuments. In 9 trips to MV this is the first time I could not see the monuments. Last year, John W and I arrived in a rain shower which gave the place an unusual appearance. But at least we could see the monuments. I'll send the other photos on the Kolb BBS. I have a wing on the Dodge, but it ain't big enough to fly. john h mkIII Monument Valley, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Monument Valley
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2008
Hi Gang: Arrived MV yesterday in rain and dense fog. Woke up to the same weather this morning, but Mother Nature smiled on me and the sun is now out and the monuments are in full sight. Monument Valley is the official home of the Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized Flyin. The first was held May 2003. We have had one each year since, always in May between Mothers Day and Memorial Day. Works out to the 3d weekend in May. Plan on attending next May 2009. -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216741#216741 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1413_776.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1412_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1408_117.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1407_234.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1405_326.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Cross Country Video in High Definition
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2008
Hi John, I bet you do miss your MK III, traveling in such beautiful country and not being able to go up and fly is just not right ! Unfortunately, the past week has been perfect flying weather in Miami, and I have been stuck up north for work :( The motorcycling/atv riding does sound like a lot of fun though ! Jay, That part over the everglades was a risk, but the engine and plane have been flying perfectly, so I could not resist, although I do not make a habit out of doing that... You are correct, not a road or anything for many miles. If the engine did quit, I would just put down the flaps, fly straight ahead, and wait to go over on my back [Shocked] There have been quite a few cases where people have flipped their kolbs on landing, and as far as I know they have walked away from it, so I would take that over the chute. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216747#216747 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Monument Valley
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2008
I see an ATV, motorcycle, and satellite TV in that setup of yours, look like you are having a blast ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216749#216749 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2008
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley
Hey John How does that great big vortex generator work ...sitting on top of the truck? :-) Herb At 03:45 PM 11/28/2008, you wrote: > >Hi Gang: > >Arrived MV yesterday in rain and dense fog. Woke up to the same >weather this morning, but Mother Nature smiled on me and the sun is >now out and the monuments are in full sight. > >Monument Valley is the official home of the Kolb >Unplanned/Unorganized Flyin. The first was held May 2003. We have >had one each year since, always in May between Mothers Day and >Memorial Day. Works out to the 3d weekend in May. > >Plan on attending next May 2009. > >-------- >John Hauck >MKIII/912ULS >hauck's holler, alabama > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216741#216741 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/1413_776.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/1412_154.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/1408_117.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/1407_234.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/1405_326.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb Cross Country Video in High Definition
At 04:27 PM 11/28/2008, John Hauck wrote: >I have a wing on the Dodge, but it ain't big enough to fly. Y'know John, a lot of the local airplane pilots around here have taken up PPG in addition to (NOT instead of!) airplane flying. A PPG fits IN your RV, and you can fly it nearly anywhere... -Dana -- People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley
Date: Nov 28, 2008
> How does that great big vortex generator work ...sitting on top > of the truck? :-) Herb Herb: Ahem! That ain't no VG, my friend. That is an inverted airfoil with an air dam on each end. If I thought I could get better slow speed flight and eliminate that dreaded "5th wheel drop", I'd have those little suckers stuck all over it. That old Taylor Wing is worth a 10% decrease in fuel burn. I'm over 6,000 miles into this trip. That figures out to a little over 600 miles free pulling. ;-) Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Cross Country Video in High Definition
Date: Nov 28, 2008
> Y'know John, a lot of the local airplane pilots around here have taken up > PPG in addition to (NOT instead of!) airplane flying. A PPG fits IN your > RV, and you can fly it nearly anywhere... > > -Dana Dana: No disrespect for PPG (every time I see that abreviation I think Pittsburg Plate Glass), but I have my hands full with a dirt bike and atv when I am roaming. Most folks know, when I go flying, I fly. Next May, I'll be right back out here in the MKIII, along with most of the other places I have visited and explored on this trip. Never had any desire to haul an aircraft of any type around behind an RV. Never had to fold, stuff, pack, or otherwise, an aircraft. Don't like to have to mess with the extra details (work). john h mkIII with a buncha travel miles under its belt.... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Monument Valley
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2008
Here's a few photos of MV today with the sun shining a little. This is more like the normal way the home of the Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized Flyin looks like. It is unplanned and unorganized. This means no one is in charge, no one has any duties, and no one has to pay to attend. We are a laid back group of Kolb builders, flyers, and folks that want to be building and flying a Kolb. After 6 successful flyins, my major reason for coming back is to be able to spend time with friends I have met through attendance at the flyin in MV. Takes me 20 flight hours to get to MV, so......... I am more than happy to sit down at the airstrip, under the shade of a wing, and enjoy world's greatest company. -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216760#216760 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/736__982.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/738__213.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/737__835.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/735__412.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb Cross Country Video in High Definition
Date: Nov 28, 2008
yeh John, you need a propeller on yer ass. Land on a monument and eat a sangwich. BB On 28, Nov 2008, at 7:16 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > > At 04:27 PM 11/28/2008, John Hauck wrote: > >> I have a wing on the Dodge, but it ain't big enough to fly. > > Y'know John, a lot of the local airplane pilots around here have > taken up PPG in addition to (NOT instead of!) airplane flying. A > PPG fits IN your RV, and you can fly it nearly anywhere... > > -Dana > -- > People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Listers Have Been Saying
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Subject: Re: Monument Valley
From: "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2008
Thanks for sharing, John. I'll make it one of these years. Are you running from the Bama, Auburn game? I'll bet Alabama is crazy this time of year... [Laughing] Kip -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216859#216859 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2008
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Need info re: GPL electric starter
Hi folks, Do any of you have experience with the GPL Electric starter? I'm trying to find a manual on-line; the company, GPL Enterprises, is now a Hovercraft company and I don't find any info related to the electric starter on the website. (I have a phone #, which I'll call on Monday.) Thanks for any help you can give me - Arty Trost Sandy, Oregon www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: corrosion in the tube
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2008
I'm seeing some rust on the inside bottom backside of my tube. I can't see very far into the tube. Does anyone have any ideas of a way to inspect the entire inside of the tube? And what's a good way to treat the rust in there? -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216946#216946 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: lubrication on hinges
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2008
What is a good product to lubricate the aileron (flaperon) hinges? -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216947#216947 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser!
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Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2008
I found this quote from about a year ago from a similar question asked by JetPilot, but where would I find that product (graphite spray) and is there a particular product that is better/easier to work with? jb92563 wrote: > A dry lube like graphite spray would be good. > > Wet sticky lubes get dirt and grit mixed in them and cause faster erosion of the metal parts....definitely not a good thing. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217036#217036 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
Date: Nov 30, 2008
Are you speaking of the tail boom tube? Since it's aluminum the rust is coming from something else. Cables? H-member? Linseed oil reduced with lacquer thinner makes a pretty good preservative. Careful around paint though. BB On 29, Nov 2008, at 11:57 PM, cristalclear13 wrote: > > > I'm seeing some rust on the inside bottom backside of my tube. > > I can't see very far into the tube. Does anyone have any ideas of > a way to inspect the entire inside of the tube? > > And what's a good way to treat the rust in there? > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Kolb Mark II Twinstar > Rotax 503 DCSI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216946#216946 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
> >I'm seeing some rust on the inside bottom backside of my tube. > >I can't see very far into the tube. Does anyone have any ideas of a way to inspect the entire inside of the tube? > >And what's a good way to treat the rust in there? > >-------- Cristal, There are all kinds of rust killers on the market. From the following site: "DESCRIPTION: GEM RUST KILLER & Metal Prep is a balanced formula of phosphoric acid, wetting agent and extenders. It causes rust (iron oxide) to chemically change to iron phosphate, which turns the metal black. A coat of paint then attaches itself so closely to the metal that moisture and oxygen cannot attack the surface and results in a much longer lasting paint job." http://www.gemrustkiller.com/ I don't know what phosphoric acid will do to aluminum. You might want to test it first. If you are talking about the tail end of the boom tube, you might consider periodically spraying it with WD40. It will drive out the moisture and prevent further corrosion. Also there is a electrolysis problem between the steel ring around the aluminum tube. If you can convert the iron oxide to iron phosphate, it may provide a stronger barrier to the dissimilar metal problem. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2008
Sorry to keep posting to my own thread. I guess I could just edit the original thread. Has anyone heard of or used ACF-50? I found a reference to that in the archives and here is the link to aircraft spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acf50.php Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges? -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217066#217066 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
Date: Nov 30, 2008
Most of us never get around to it until the hinges start getting sloppy. Procrastinators. The ACF is likely ok but the $$$$ ?? Jack, I fell out of love with WD40 years ago when it failed to protect some machine tools in the basement. Advance Auto MPL is better and cheaper. John H. usually intercedes here with a pitch for Tube Seal. Good for inside those steel pipes. BB On 30, Nov 2008, at 2:11 PM, cristalclear13 wrote: > > > Sorry to keep posting to my own thread. I guess I could just edit > the original thread. > > Has anyone heard of or used ACF-50? I found a reference to that in > the archives and here is the link to aircraft spruce: > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acf50.php > > Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges? > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Kolb Mark II Twinstar > Rotax 503 DCSI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217066#217066 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Need info re: GPL electric starter
Date: Nov 30, 2008
Arty, Check out this. It is not a manual but may be of interest. http://www.aerocontrols.net/OIL_INJECTION_INSTRUCTIONS.pdf I have had two different GPL starters in the past. They do work fine if set up correctly. gear spacing is critical. There is some variation in individual engines that must be properly accounted for. Installation instructions I found to very sufficient. Gene On Nov 29, 2008, at 7:23 PM, TheWanderingWench wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > Do any of you have experience with the GPL Electric starter? I'm > trying to find a manual on-line; the company, GPL Enterprises, is > now a Hovercraft company and I don't find any info related to the > electric starter on the website. (I have a phone #, which I'll call > on Monday.) > > Thanks for any help you can give me - > > Arty Trost > Sandy, Oregon > > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com > > "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" > Helen Keller > > "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2008
I never use WD-40 as a lubricant. Even though it has some lubricating properties, ( so does water !! ) WD-40 is not designed as a lubricant. WD in WD-40 stands for Water Displacer... It is much to think to be a very effective lubricant in most cases. JettPilot -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217081#217081 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
> >Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges? > >-------- Cristal, I have tried to lubricate the hinges on my FireFly. This is because the piano hinges on the left wing seem to take a beating from the propeller. I stopped lubricating them, as it did not seem to help and it does make a mess. I have replaced hinge pins on the inner left hinge twice and once in the middle hinge in about 250 hours. The last time I bushed the hinges with a teflon tube and installed a smaller id hinge pin. At this time I have over 15 hours on the repair and things look good. If your pins are showing wear and the hinges rattle when the aileron is shook by hand, you may want to check out: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly143.html Fly safe! Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2008
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: corrosion in the tube
- Jack- I was looking at your web site, and it looks like your main fusel age tube is bare aluminum.- Is it coated with anything?- What did you d o about electrolysis at the contact points with steel, front and rear?- H ow do you keep it shiny, wax? - ------------------------- ---------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2008
From: "Thomas R. Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
Jack, Your Teflon tubing bushing should be a good fix. It is how Piper Cherokee aileron hinges were built at the factory, at least that was the our old '76 model was built. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 04:38:23 -0800 (PST) From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> > Jack- I was looking at your web site, and it looks like your main fuselage tube is bare aluminum. Is it coated with anything? What did you do about electrolysis at the contact points with steel, front and rear? How do you keep it shiny, wax? > Bill, The fuselage tube is not coated. I don't worry too much about electorlysis, as the FireFly is always hangared. I do het the joints with a little spray WD 40 a couple times a the year. I polish the tube tube one time a year. I use automotive aluminum wheel polish on a folded paper towel followed by an old soft cotton tee shirt. It looks better in the photo that it realy is. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
Date: Dec 01, 2008
WD-40-which stands for Water Displacement perfected on the 40th try-is still in use today.">> Hi, I always thought that the 40 stood for the fact that it was only good for 40 days.. . That couldn`t be right, could it? Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
Date: Dec 01, 2008
From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
"cristalclear13" asked: << What is a good product to lubricate the aileron (flaperon) hinges? >> Hi, Cristal - You want to lubricate your aileron hinges with something that does NOT trap dirt particles (like oil would). Oil in your hinges will entrap dust and dirt grains, causing increased wear on your soft aluminum hinges. Best product I've seen or heard about is a molybdenum-based lubrication. You find it at bicycle stores for lubricating brake and shifter cables. It's a fine mineral powder in a liquid solution (it's mixed in with an alcohol-like fluid). The liquid dries up soon after you apply it, leaving behind only the lubricating powder. I use it on all my hinges, as well as inside the throttle & choke cables. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul, "Magic Bike" Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: lubrication on hinges
Date: Dec 01, 2008
good one Pat. BB On 1, Dec 2008, at 10:33 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > WD-40-which stands for Water Displacement perfected on the 40th > try-is > still in use today.">> > > Hi, > I always thought that the 40 stood for the fact that it was only > good for 40 days.. . That couldn`t be right, could it? > > Pat > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 01, 2008
We got the corrosion cleaned up fairly easily....what wasn't easy was digging the mouse nest out from the middle of the boom tube. Does anyone put anything on the ends of their boom tubes to keep the critters out? -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217276#217276 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2008
From: "Jean PILLAUDIN" <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
Hi all, Find here the few pictures a little girl take for me during my first Ultrastar flight. It was a very strong pleasure for me!! This plane flight quite well, it is easy to land, and you have an extraordinary view! Have fun flight. Jean ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2008
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:17:54 +0100 From: "Jean PILLAUDIN" <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com> > Hi all, Find here the few pictures a little girl take for me during my first Ultrastar flight. > Jean, Where are you located? What airport are you flying from? Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
Date: Dec 02, 2008
Jean, welcome to the Kolb club. Very good photos. The terrain is nice and level in your airport vicinity and trees are scarce. BB On 2, Dec 2008, at 3:17 AM, Jean PILLAUDIN wrote: > Hi all, > > > Find here the few pictures a little girl take for me during my > first Ultrastar > flight. > > It was a very strong pleasure for me!! > > This plane flight quite well, it is easy to land, and you have an > extraordinary > view! > > Have fun flight. > > Jean (Custom).JPG> (Custom).JPG> 001_0003.jpg> 002_0002.jpg> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2008
From: "Jean PILLAUDIN" <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
Hi Jack, I am from France, it is a Ultralight special base. It is 70Km far from Paris in the Vexin. Here is the google maps links: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=49.257274,1.659923&spn=0.010041,0.019312&t=k&z=16 Your Web site is awesome, lot of very interesting things and subject. About Simonini Engines: I think the Simonini Mini 3 will do the job for an Ultrastar (33Hp only 20Kg) http://www.simonini-flying.com/mini3_eng.htm What is your opinion? Jean 2008/12/2 Jack B. Hart > > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:17:54 +0100 > From: "Jean PILLAUDIN" <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com> > > > Hi all, > > Find here the few pictures a little girl take for me during my first > Ultrastar > flight. > > > > Jean, > > Where are you located? What airport are you flying from? > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2008
From: "Jean PILLAUDIN" <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
Hi BB, No trees at all, very easy airport, see the google maps satellite view. It is all flat. But very near you have a lot of beautiful land to fly on. Jean 2008/12/2 robert bean > > Jean, welcome to the Kolb club. Very good photos. > The terrain is nice and level in your airport vicinity and trees are > scarce. > BB > > On 2, Dec 2008, at 3:17 AM, Jean PILLAUDIN wrote: > > Hi all, >> >> >> Find here the few pictures a little girl take for me during my first >> Ultrastar >> flight. >> >> It was a very strong pleasure for me!! >> >> This plane flight quite well, it is easy to land, and you have an >> extraordinary >> view! >> >> Have fun flight. >> >> Jean> (Custom).JPG>> 001_0001.jpg>> 002_0002.jpg> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
Date: Dec 02, 2008
Cristal I have glued in a piece of fabric about 6 inches in from the end. Then had to cut small slits in the fabric to let the cables pass through. My purpose for doing this was not to keep critters out,,, it was to keep the air in the cabin from being sucked out the back. This way I can keep a bit warmer in the winter. Boyd Young Kolb MKIIIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone put anything on the ends of their boom tubes to keep the critters out? -------- Cristal Waters ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
Date: Dec 02, 2008
> We got the corrosion cleaned up fairly easily....what wasn't easy was digging the mouse nest out from the middle of the boom tube. > > Does anyone put anything on the ends of their boom tubes to keep the > critters out? > > -------- > Cristal Waters Cristal: Serious problem, rodents. My main concern is urine. It is very corrosive, especially to aluminum. I don't know of anyway to check the tailboom tube to insure it has not been corroded by rodent urine. Very difficult to see using a flashlight and peeking in the end of the tube. Several years ago my mkIII was attacked by rodents, rats and/or chipmonks. Major damage was caused by chewing wire bundles, kevlar parachute bridals, seats, even plastic hydraulic brake lines filled with fluid. They's chew up any thing to build a nest. I haven't had a problem with them for some time now. I keep a couple Valerian capsules in the tail boom and floor of the cockpit. Valerian is a herb you can buy at Walmart. Hope the neighbors have not moved in while I have been gone the last two months. john h mkIII Payson, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
John, a bit off the corrosion question, but I'm curious about the valerian. Does it affect mice in the same way it affects cats? Rick On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:38 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > > > We got the corrosion cleaned up fairly easily....what wasn't easy was > digging the mouse nest out from the middle of the boom tube. > >> >> Does anyone put anything on the ends of their boom tubes to keep the >> critters out? >> >> -------- >> Cristal Waters >> > > Cristal: > > Serious problem, rodents. > > My main concern is urine. It is very corrosive, especially to aluminum. > > I don't know of anyway to check the tailboom tube to insure it has not been > corroded by rodent urine. Very difficult to see using a flashlight and > peeking in the end of the tube. > > Several years ago my mkIII was attacked by rodents, rats and/or chipmonks. > Major damage was caused by chewing wire bundles, kevlar parachute bridals, > seats, even plastic hydraulic brake lines filled with fluid. They's chew up > any thing to build a nest. > > I haven't had a problem with them for some time now. I keep a couple > Valerian capsules in the tail boom and floor of the cockpit. Valerian is a > herb you can buy at Walmart. > > Hope the neighbors have not moved in while I have been gone the last two > months. > > john h > mkIII > Payson, AZ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
Date: Dec 02, 2008
Jean: Looks like you are having fun. Good looking bird. john h mkIII Find here the few pictures a little girl take for me during my first Ultrastar flight. . Jean ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
Date: Dec 02, 2008
Rick: Don't know about cats, but when I was having my rodent problem I discovered through research on the internet that Valerian would act as a repellent. It stinks! john h mkIII John, a bit off the corrosion question, but I'm curious about the valerian. Does it affect mice in the same way it affects cats? Rick ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2008
John Hauck wrote: > > > Hope the neighbors have not moved in while I have been gone the last two > months. > > I hope not too. We also have a LOT of spiders in the hanger and I found where a couple have been making their nests/laying their eggs/whatever you call it in tiny crevices. I don't know if they cause much corrosion, but one had a webby mess inside the tube where my tailwheel attaches. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217351#217351 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2008
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: corrosion in the tube
Interesting. In cats, if catnip is analogous to kittie pot, valerian is kitty LSD. Hope the mice don't figure that one out or the hangar cat is in for a high old time. Rick On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:56 AM, John Hauck wrote: > Rick: > > Don't know about cats, but when I was having my rodent problem I discovered > through research on the internet that Valerian would act as a repellent. It > stinks! > > john h > mkIII > > > John, a bit off the corrosion question, but I'm curious about the valerian. > Does it affect mice in the same way it affects cats? > Rick > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <apilot(at)surewest.net>
Subject: Re: direction of air in the tube
Date: Dec 02, 2008
It is interesting that the air in your fuselage tube goes to the rear and mine goes to the front. In fact, in the winter, I have to wear a hood to keep the cold air off of my neck. I have thought about blocking the air in the tube, but it helps to reduce the vacuum in the nose cone and could slow the plane down. Mine is slow enough already. (fast cruise 67mph) Vic MkIII Classic ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: direction of air in the tube
Date: Dec 02, 2008
Vic I think air moves forward in most if not all Kolbs. My theory is that it is inefficient allowing air to move forward through the fuselage tube. I figure that airplane is moving forward through the air and when it gets to the rear of the fuselage tube it turns 180 degrees and it moves forward. This would consume considerable energy. I plugged mine. I used a insulating foam called tough stuff but I would not recommend it. The foam locked on to the control cables so much so that I thought I might brake the cables before they broke loose. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: <apilot(at)surewest.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: direction of air in the tube > > It is interesting that the air in your fuselage tube goes to the rear and > mine goes to the front. In fact, in the winter, I have to wear a hood to > keep the cold air off of my neck. I have thought about blocking the air > in the tube, but it helps to reduce the vacuum in the nose cone and could > slow the plane down. Mine is slow enough already. (fast cruise 67mph) > Vic MkIII Classic > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
At 09:36 AM 12/2/2008, Jean PILLAUDIN wrote: >About Simonini Engines: I think the Simonini Mini 3 will do the job for an >Ultrastar (33Hp only 20Kg) ><http://www.simonini-flying.com/mini3_eng.htm>http://www.simonini-flying.com/mini3_eng.htm Lots more vibration with a single cylinder engine. Are you having problems with the engine you have now? If it were me I think I'd choose the Simonini Victor 1 (more hp and dual ignition) over the Mini 3. -Dana -- Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
From: "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2008
Cool.... :D :D Kip -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217418#217418 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
Date: Dec 02, 2008
Hi Jean, Welcome to the list. I guess everybody else is too polite to ask, but what's with the bandage on the right tire? Larry C ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bean To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar Jean, welcome to the Kolb club. Very good photos. The terrain is nice and level in your airport vicinity and trees are scarce. BB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
Date: Dec 02, 2008
Keeps the air in silly boy. Maybe an honor badge, like le croix de guerre? BB On 2, Dec 2008, at 8:30 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > Hi Jean, > Welcome to the list. I guess everybody else is too polite to ask, > but what's with the bandage on the right tire? > Larry C > ----- Original Message ----- > From: robert bean > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar > > > Jean, welcome to the Kolb club. Very good photos. > The terrain is nice and level in your airport vicinity and trees are > scarce. > BB > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firestar with HKS Installation Photos
From: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2008
Had some questions lately about how I did my HKS installation. Here's a link to a zip file full of photos: http://rapidshare.com/files/169644321/HKSFirestar.zip The HKS is running great with zero problems so far. I really like it! -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, HKS 700E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217439#217439 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Xtra paint job
Date: Dec 02, 2008
Kolb guys=2C While perusing the internet=2C I recently came across a photo of an Xtra that I thought looked nice=2C and something I might be interested in using as a "model" to paint my plane. (note: I said model=2C not copy!!) This Xtra has a deep blue bottom half of the fuselage=2C and the top half is white. It also has bright yellow included=2C but I can't recall where it was. (These colors are=2C coincidentally=2C the same colors I already h ave of Poly Tone that I got a few years ago from Dondi.) I can't seem to find that picture now. If you are familiar with this Xtr a=2C can you tell me where I can get a couple of photos? Or=2C by any chance=2C do you have a photo of a nice paint job on an Xtra . Again=2C I'm only looking for a nice paint job to use as a basis for my paint scheme=2C not copy someone else's. Thanks=2C Mike Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_spee d_122008 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Xtra paint job
Date: Dec 02, 2008
I got the idea of my paint scheme for my Ultrastar out of a Radio Control Parts Catalog. Catalog was full of many different paint jobs. Worked so well on the Ultrastar, I painted the Firestar and the MKIII the same way. john h mkIII Sierra Vista, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Welch To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Xtra paint job Kolb guys, While perusing the internet, I recently came across a photo of an Xtra that I thought looked nice, and something I might be interested in using as a "model" to paint my plane. (note: I said model, not copy!!) This Xtra has a deep blue bottom half of the fuselage, and the top half is white. It also has bright yellow included, but I can't recall where it was. (These colors are, coincidentally, the same colors I already have of Poly Tone that I got a few years ago from Dondi.) I can't seem to find that picture now. If you are familiar with this Xtra, can you tell me where I can get a couple of photos? Or, by any chance, do you have a photo of a nice paint job on an Xtra. Again, I'm only looking for a nice paint job to use as a basis for my paint scheme, not copy someone else's. Thanks, Mike Welch MkIII CX ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your Hotmail=AE account. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb Firestar II plans
From: "John H Murphy" <mailjohnmurphy(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2008
I have a complete set of Kolb Firestar II plans. I hate to through them away. Does anyone on the list want them. There in a PVC pipe tube (4 or 5"). Not sure what the cost to ship but would only charge actual shipping charges. I'm flying my Aeronca 7AC Champ - N83406, on a regular basis. I love it! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217448#217448 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: direction of air in the tube
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2008
apilot(at)surewest.net wrote: > It is interesting that the air in your fuselage tube goes to the rear and mine goes to the front. In fact, in the winter, I have to wear a hood to keep the cold air off of my neck. I have thought about blocking the air in the tube, but it helps to reduce the vacuum in the nose cone and could slow the plane down. Mine is slow enough already. (fast cruise 67mph) > Vic MkIII Classic Blocking the inside of tail boom wont have any effect on speed. Given the volume and velocity of the outside air, blocking the little bit of air that comes in the tube just wont make any noticeable difference except keeping you warmer. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217451#217451 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: help picking video camera
From: "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2008
I have a Cannon Elura 100 and I love it. I've had it two years so I'm sure there is a better model or brand out there by now...It uses mini DV tapes to store video (not HD), and a memory card to hold pictures and compressed video. The bad thing about a hard drive is you are limited to what it will hold while with tape you can put in another tape when one is full. You may not be able to get to a computer to unload your video off of the hard drive.....Just my two cents!.......Mike -------- The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217466#217466 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 03, 2008
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
John, Hello my friend! It looks like Jeans Kolb has rubber shock absorbers ? Is that a European version ? That is a good looking Ultrastar ! Only 6 or 7 more weeks till I get to go to Fl. and work on my Firefly .-- Chris =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck <jhauck@ elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, December 2, 2 008 10:48:24 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar =0A=0A=0AJean:=0A-=0ALooks like you are having fun.=0A-=0AGood looking bird.=0A-=0Ajohn h=0AmkIII=0A-Find here the few pictures a little girl ---------------------Matt Dralle, L =======0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 03, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
At 06:17 PM 12/3/2008, chris davis wrote: >John, Hello my friend! It looks like Jeans Kolb has rubber shock absorbers >? Is that a European version ? That is a good looking Ultrastar ! I suspect it's an owner installed modification, by a previous owner. -Dana -- Be Politically Incorrect: Support the Constitution! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2008
From: "Jean PILLAUDIN" <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Premier Vol avec L'Ultrastar
Hi Chris, Yes, it is Micro-Aviation (old French company) Version, it has the serial number n=B0 192. Dana is probably right, the second owner who was a German guy living in France has spent a lot of money on the landing gear, I have a lot of German invoice; I cannot read it. Jean 2008/12/4 chris davis > John, Hello my friend! It looks like Jeans Kolb has rubber shock > absorbers ? Is that a European version ? That is a good looking Ultrastar ! > Only 6 or 7 more weeks till I get to go to Fl. and work on my Firefly . > Chris > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: El Paso, Texas
Date: Dec 04, 2008
Hi Gang: As the end of my ground trip draws near, I find my self at Horizon Airport, just east of El Paso, Tx, homebase of friends Will Uribe and Dave Raines. Dave invited me to his hanger to inspect his new Kolb rotorcraft. A couple photos are attached. I'm the good looking one with the hat. ;-) john h mkIII El Paso, Tx ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: El Paso, Texas
At 06:56 PM 12/4/2008, william sullivan wrote: > John- More info, please. Nice looking rotor craft, but I hadn't seen > anything about Kolb making or marketing one. Bill, they don't. That's a Mosquito helicopter: <http://www.innovator.mosquito.net.nz/mbbs2/index.asp> John is having fun. How's the rebuild going? -Dana -- More than anything else the sensation is one of perfect peace mingled with an excitement that strains every nerve to the utmost, if you can conceive of such a combination. - Wilbur Wright ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2008
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Firestar rebuild
- Dana-- The rebuild is coming along nicely.- Slightly delayed by fam ily problems- Mom and Title 19.- The wings and ailerons have been rebuilt to the original "clipped" configuration of the original builder, and are r eady to be re-covered.- I just replaced the main engine mount tube- 1 3/4 " x .049, and have one motor mount to weld on- waiting for somebody with a good back to lift the engine on for alignment.- Weather permitting, I wil l start building a new front frame tomorrow.- - ------------------------- ----------------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ----------------------- Winds or Locks, Ct. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2008
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Firestar rebuild
At 07:44 PM 12/4/2008, william sullivan wrote: > Dana- The rebuild is coming along nicely. Slightly delayed by family > problems- Mom and Title 19. The wings and ailerons have been rebuilt to > the original "clipped" configuration of the original builder, and are > ready to be re-covered. I just replaced the main engine mount tube- 1 > 3/4" x .049, and have one motor mount to weld on- waiting for somebody > with a good back to lift the engine on for alignment. Weather > permitting, I will start building a new front frame tomorrow. Cool! Ready by Spring, d'ya think? Maybe time for some dual in one of those modern planes with cabin heat while it's cold this winter? -Dana -- The most valuable function performed by the federal government is entertainment. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2008
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: El Paso, Texas
At 09:09 PM 12/4/2008, you wrote: > >....John... >You are both still ugly.... >and that there ain't a Kolb... >Regards, >Beauford Oh come on now, next you're gonna say this isn't a Kolb. "The new Kolb Mega Extra" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3487102474967847487 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2008
From: "VICTOR PETERS" <vicsv(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: El Paso, Texas
Now I know where those skeeters go when they leave Maine. Is Dave Raines and Skeeter one in the same. I enjoyed our in jest insulting banter a while back. Nice looking buggy. Vic Dirt in the carb 912 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jimmy Young <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Subject: fixed my screw up
Date: Dec 05, 2008
Broke my plane in September with a hard landing. Sheared off the left gearleg socket where the aluminum gearleg ends. Got the welding done at an FAA Repair Station shop because I have no welding experience at all. I did everything else with a little help on painting from my local flying buddies. Finished it over Thanksgiving weekend. It turned out nice, big thanks to Danny Still in Angleton TX for teaching me to finish paint. Here are some pics: Jimmy Young FS II, Generac Powered Bailes Field, Angleton, TX ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: El Paso, Texas
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 05, 2008
Yes Vic, we be the same! Just had to build something different for a change, sure is fun to fly. Dave "Skeeter" Rains -------- Dave Rains N8086T Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217822#217822 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: fixed my screw up
Date: Dec 05, 2008
Sheared off the left > gearleg socket where the aluminum gearleg ends. > > Jimmy Young Jimmy: I did that in 1988 to my FS. During the repairs, we developed 4130 gear legs, extending them all the way in the socket until they bottomed out at the intersection of the two sockets. Never had another gear leg shear the socket again, although there have been many hard landings since then. Old Kolb designed the system that way. It saved weight and material. It also created a weak gear leg socket. john h Monahans, Texas (West Texas oil fields, where the pumps are pumping.) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: El Paso, Texas
Date: Dec 06, 2008
You are both still ugly.... > and that there ain't a Kolb..>> Hi, why do inventors go to all the trouble of building a streamlined, polished, painted machine before there is any proof that it will work? Hours of panel beating etc,panel design and so on. Did they never see the original `flying bedstead` lash up which we used as a proof of concept before we came up with a fully furnished `Harrier` Get it flying first, then make it pretty. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jimmy Young <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: fixed my screw up
Date: Dec 06, 2008
John H wrote: >>During the repairs, we developed 4130 gear legs, extending them all the way in the socket until they bottomed out at the intersection of the two sockets. Never had another gear leg shear the socket again<< John, I have read most of the archives on the 4130 gearleg topic. I also read Larry Cottrell's posts along the same subject. Since I already had one brand new alum leg, I just ordered one more to save a little time. Changing out to 4130 gearlegs may be the next project in line right behind building an enclosed canopy. I've missed 3 months of the best flying weather here in the Houston area, and those open sides get pretty chilly. I did get another photo taken outside I wanted to share. I know no one is more interested than me in it, but sorry, I feel like a proud papa showing pictures of his new baby! Jimmy Y FS II, Angleton TX ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: fixed my screw up
Date: Dec 06, 2008
Jimmy, I think it looks great. Doing a nice job yields pride of ownership that an "out of the box" owner will never have. Let us know what you think of those fat tires after flying it for a while. BB MkIII, suzuki G10 On 6, Dec 2008, at 6:58 AM, Jimmy Young wrote: > John H wrote: > > >>During the repairs, we developed 4130 gear legs, extending them > all the way > in the socket until they bottomed out at the intersection of the two > sockets. Never had another gear leg shear the socket again<< > John, > I have read most of the archives on the 4130 gearleg topic. I also > read Larry Cottrell's posts along the same subject. Since I already > had one brand new alum leg, I just ordered one more to save a > little time. > Changing out to 4130 gearlegs may be the next project in line right > behind building an enclosed canopy. I've missed 3 months of the > best flying weather here in the Houston area, and those open sides > get pretty chilly. > I did get another photo taken outside I wanted to share. I know no > one is more interested than me in it, but sorry, I feel like a > proud papa showing pictures of his new baby! > Jimmy Y > FS II, Angleton TX > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: El Paso, Texas
Date: Dec 06, 2008
> Get it flying first, then make it pretty. > > Pat Patrick: It has been flying for quite some time now. john h Palo Pinto, Texas (Where I lived 40 years ago during Primary Helicopter Flight Training at Fort Wolters, Texas.) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: fixed my screw up
Date: Dec 06, 2008
Jimmy Y: I don't think I did a very good job of explaining my most important point of my last msg. Old Kold designed the gear legs to end at the midpoint of the socket, the weakest point of the socket. That is why it sheared when you landed a little hard. Didn't take rocket science to figure out pushing the leg all the way into the socket until it bottomed out would spread the load through out the entire socket, instead of concentrating it at the midpoint which is weakest. Acts like a shear. john h Vernon, Tx I have read most of the archives on the 4130 gearleg topic. I also read Larry Cottrell's posts along the same subject. Since I already had one brand new alum leg, I just ordered one more to save a little time. Jimmy Y ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 06, 2008
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Fixed my screw up
- Jimmy- Looks great, but how hard did you hit?- Any other damage? -M y right leg bent back, but the bend ended at the entry point of the "Y".- No damage to the steel "Y".- I have the old 1" aluminum legs, and I trie d to remove the aluminum bushing.- I will probably have to drill or ream it out. - ------------------------- ---------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 06, 2008
Subject: Re: fixed my screw up
I made a post about 3 yrs. ago about this same thing. Fortunately, the socket broke after taxiing about 30 ft. from the hangar. The other socket was almost broken, also. I bought a new cage instead of welding [glad I did 'cause I got the new style stick]. If you have a FSII kitted before '97 [maybe even later than that], then you may have the short gear legs & are headed for a major repair if you don't replace with the longer ones. Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 12/6/2008 2:08:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes: Old Kold designed the gear legs to end at the midpoint of the socket, the weakest point of the socket. That is why it sheared when you landed a little hard **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 06, 2008
Subject: Re: fixed my screw up
I never had a hard landing; it was just metal fatigue from maybe 1500 landings. Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 12/6/2008 5:32:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, HShack(at)aol.com writes: Old Kold designed the gear legs to end at the midpoint of the socket, the weakest point of the socket. That is why it sheared when you landed a little hard **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jimmy Young <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Re: fixed my screw up
Date: Dec 06, 2008
Bill Sullivan wrote: >>Jimmy- Looks great, but how hard did you hit?- Any other damage?<< Bill, I hit pretty darn hard. Didn't knock the breath out of me or anything, but I think I was at least 15' over the runway, maybe even more, when I stalled it. Dropped like a rock. I've already beat myself up over all the things I did wrong and what I should have done. I accepted the fact that it's time to get her fixed and lucky I didn't get hurt. No other damage other than I knocked the strobe light off the left wingtip. I hope you are recovering well from your mishap, best wishes to you. I flew the plane today for the first time in 3 months. I was a bit apprehensive during preflight, really took my time and did a triple check of everything. It was a thrill to take off and fly again, and once I was up about 500', my apprehension turned to the pleasure that flying these great planes is. The plane handled superb, just like it always has. I got in 2.5 hours of flight and 10 landings with perfect flying weather, 60-65 deg. and 5 mph winds. I had put on new wing strut fairings, and I guess I should have riveted them with the tube set to the very front of the fairing instead of right down the middle. I was a good 20 miles from home I suddenly noticed my right side fairing violently fluttering. I grabbed it with my right hand and flew back to the airport holding it the whole way, and found that both fairings had worked their way free of the rivet heads. I just took them off and flew without them. I really didn't notice any change either, but I only cruise about 50 - 55 mph. I'm thinking about putting on my old smaller tires in place of the tundra tires I have. I think they slow me down more than anything else. It was so nice to be back in the air flying, can't wait to go back tomorrow morning and enjoy what should be more great aviating weather. Howard Shackleford wrote: >> If you have a FSII kitted before '97 [maybe even later than that], then you may have the short gear legs & are headed for a major repair if you don't replace with the longer ones<< Mine is an '01 model, so I'm pretty sure I have the newer design. Jimmy Young FS II, Angleton TX ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: fixed my screw up
Date: Dec 06, 2008
----- Original Message ----- From: robert bean To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fixed my screw up Let us know what you think of those fat tires after flying it for a while. BB MkIII, suzuki G10 I have the big tires on my Firestar, and wouldn't change them for anything. Of course I operate in rough country and the 4130 legs and the big tires are a necessity to me. Every repair that I have ever had to make was due to the wimpy legs and tires of the original equipment. Of course if I used the plane the way that it was designed then I probably wouldn't have had any trouble, but how much fun would that be? Larry C ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FS II discontinued?
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2008
Hi all, I was browsing the kolb site yesterday and noticed the FS II is no longer listed. Has it been discontinued or something like that? Just curious, LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218036#218036 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FS II discontinued?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2008
Yes discontinued Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218054#218054 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 07, 2008
From: "Art Stallings" <artstallings(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FS II discontinued?
No not discontinued. They will build them by special order. On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:40 PM, grantr wrote: > > Yes discontinued > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218054#218054 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: VG affect on stall
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2008
Someone told me that VGs do lower stall speed and improve low speed handling but there is a trade off. They told me VGs cause a plane to stall more sharply or more abrupt than it would without them. In other words most planes give warning signs prior to the stall such as the shaking and light control forces in the stick however with VGs this tends to not occurs as the plane nears stall. In other words with VGs, the plane seems to be flying rock solid at slow airspeed say "slow flight" and then all of a sudden the plane is in a fully developed stall with little to no warning. The ones of you using or have tried vgs, Do you agree or disagree with this? On my plane in a power off stall without Vgs, It does not give really any warning. When the ASI hits 41 the nose drops. Power on it gives plenty of waring as the prop gets really loud prior to the stall. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218057#218057 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: What is your Altitude loss in a 180 degree turn?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2008
I tested my plane MK III C with 503 today to see how much Altitude loss would occur in a 180 degree turn at idle flying solo. Todays temp was 56 degrees. My plane lost 300 feet in the turn by making a 45o turn at 55 mph IAS. I preformed the maneuver 4 times with the same result. This is great since one end of our runway is full of trees and those Big metal tower High voltage transmission lines! I usually cross the end of the runway at 700 to 800 feet AGl. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218059#218059 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FS II discontinued?
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2008
Sorry for the wrong Info. Travis emailed me a few months ago and said the MK III C and the Firestar were discontinued. I guess he meant they were not producing them in bulk. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218060#218060 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: VG affect on stall
Date: Dec 07, 2008
----- Original Message ----- From: grantr To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: Kolb-List: VG affect on stall They told me VGs cause a plane to stall more sharply or more abrupt than it would without them. The ones of you using or have tried vgs, Do you agree or disagree with this? disagree! Larry C Firestar II 437 hours. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: What is your Altitude loss in a 180 degree turn?
Date: Dec 07, 2008
----- Original Message ----- From: grantr To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: What is your Altitude loss in a 180 degree turn? I tested my plane MK III C with 503 today to see how much Altitude loss would occur in a 180 degree turn at idle flying solo. Todays temp was 56 degrees. My plane lost 300 feet in the turn by making a 45o turn at 55 mph IAS. Grant, My Firestar II with VG's ( I hesitate to even reply to this topic) will do the same maneuver and lose less than 100 feet. I did it several times as well. Larry C ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Deleting old emails, and finding some nice stuff
Date: Dec 07, 2008
Kolb people=2C I thought I'd take some time and thin out a few hundred o ld emails. I couldn't help but read a few. It was kind of interesting re- reading a lot of older emails many of you have posted. Of course=2C I've got lots of cartoon and joke emails from Michael Sharp (of Kansis City vici nity). He sends these to me off-list. Too bad they aren't Kolb related 'c ause they sure are intertaining. I've come across lots of informative ema ils from the more scholarly among us=2C and quite a few emails that were aw aste of cyber-ink. It was a special pleasure coming across icrashrc's ( Scott's) progress photos of his Xtra. I don't recall seeing his home-made =2C carbon fiber=2C awesome Icom A24 console mount. He=2C like Uncle Cra ig=2C Jack=2C and Possums=2C and many others=2C are quite the craftsmen!! There are=2C of course=2C many other Kolb aircraft builders that do very n ice work!! Without naming all of you=2C weknow who you are!! It was sa ddening to recall a few "ultralight crashes" that were posted=2C and especi ally troubling was all the emailsrelated to John W's crash and Bill S's "mi shap"!! Promise you won't do that again=2C Bill!!! Today=2C for the firs t time in over six months=2C I've finally resumed working on my MkIII. I m ounted one of the discson my wheels for my disc brakes set-up. BTW. Reca ll about three weeks ago=2C a guy named Brett (Bonaco=2C Inc) offered to su pply for "FREE" a set of teflon core/stainless steel braided custom-made br ake lines to the first person who gave him the dimensions. Well=2C that wa s me!! I talked to him on the phone Friday=2C he said the two brake lines PLUS all the appropriate NPT fittings are being mailed in Friday's mail. W e'll see. Truely=2C this would be a first=2C where someone justs sends you something out of the blue.....for free!! I'm just guessing=2C but I bet t his would be a hundred dollar set of premium brake lines....maybe more?? I 'll post a picture of them if they do=2C in fact=2C show up. (Sounds too g ood to be true!!) You can go look at their webite...www.bonacoinc.com. Th ere really is a guy there named Brett=2C and we discussed the measurements I sent him=2C and we'll see if all this is true in a few days. Best regards=2C Mike Welch Kolb MkIII CX (out of mothballs) _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What is your Altitude loss in a 180 degree turn?
From: "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2008
My Mk II looses 300' also on a 180* turn. I practice this turn often in case of a flame out on take off. I know I must be at least 350' high to turn back to runway. I practice at a safe altitude of course... -------- The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218070#218070 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 07, 2008
Subject: Re: VG affect on stall
When I designed & installed my VG's some 7 or 8 yrs. ago, I put 7 on each wing [these were the aluminum flashing kind]. My stall dropped from 41 to 36. The stall was still very gentle; in fact it didn't really want to stall. I added 13 more per wing. Stall dropped another 4 mph, but when she stalled it was rather violent & scary. I hated the way it felt, so went back to the original 7 per wing. Happy again. By the way, I also have them under my horiz. stab. Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 12/7/2008 8:12:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com writes: Someone told me that VGs do lower stall speed and improve low speed handling but there is a trade off. They told me VGs cause a plane to stall more sharply or more abrupt than it would without them. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: VG affect on stall
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2008
lcottrell, What does "Quote" mean?? You agree with my statement? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218075#218075 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List of Contributors 2008
Dear Listers, This year's Fund Raiser has drawn to a close and I want to thank everyone that so generously made a contribution this year in support of the Matronics Email List and Forum operation. Your generosity keeps the wheels on this cart and I truly appreciate the many kind words of encouragement and financial reimbursement. If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser, please feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on the Contribution site for a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution today and still get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by personal check to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated! And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2008 List of Contributors current as of 12/7/08! Have a look at this list of names as *these* are the people that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU! http://www.matronics.com/loc/2008.html I will be shipping out all of the gifts around the end of December. In most cases, gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: VG affect on stall
Date: Dec 08, 2008
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Disagree, ?????? G.Aman MK-3C? 400hrs -----Original Message----- From: grantr <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 5:11 pm Subject: Kolb-List: VG affect on stall Someone told me that VGs do lower stall speed and improve low speed handling but there is a trade off. They told me VGs cause a plane to stall more sharply or more abrupt than it would without them. In other words most planes give warning signs prior to the stall such as the shaking and light control forces in the stick however with VGs this tends to not occurs as the plane nears stall. In other words with VGs, the plane seems to be flying rock solid at slow airspeed say "slow flight" and then all of a sudden the plane is in a fully developed stall with little to no warning. The ones of you using or have tried vgs, Do you agree or disagree with this? On my plane in a power off stall without Vgs, It does not give really any warning. When the ASI hits 41 the nose drops. Power on it gives plenty of waring as the prop gets really loud prior to the stall. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218057#218057 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com>
Subject: Re: FS II discontinued?
Date: Dec 08, 2008
grantr. not discontinued, but on special orders only, you order kit 1 and kit 2 and 50% down. any more questions call donnie. thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FS II discontinued? > > Yes discontinued > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218054#218054 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com>
Subject: Re: FS II discontinued?
Date: Dec 08, 2008
lucien, not discontinued, but special orders only, order kit 1 and kit 2 with 50% down and we will build. thanks donnie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Kolb-List: FS II discontinued? > > Hi all, > > I was browsing the kolb site yesterday and noticed the FS II is no longer listed. Has it been discontinued or something like that? > > Just curious, > > LS > > -------- > LS > Titan II SS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218036#218036 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: VG affect on stall
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 08, 2008
Howard, Do you have a drawing for your Vgs? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218175#218175 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <apilot(at)surewest.net>
Subject: Re: What is your Altitude loss in a 180 degree turn?
Date: Dec 08, 2008
You may be able to reduce the altitude loss with practice. My guess is that your plane can make a successful 180 degree turn without losing over 100 feet of altitude. My best in a Cessna 150 was 100 feet and the best in a PA-11 Cub was 50 feet. Practicing the technique is a worthwhile effort.


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